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Yes, Richard is doing great work and what an interesting journey Richard to get a medical
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degree then a law degree.
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I got my law degree in 1973.
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I didn't bother getting my medical degree.
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Stephen will be with us in a moment.
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We'll do the intros and welcome everybody to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International
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and today's discussion.
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truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.
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His medical specialty is radiology.
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We remember Ryan Ofulmik at this time.
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Mexican government and the German government to kidnap Ryan and to take him to Germany
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We need everyone to shine a light on the Ryan Ofulmik case.
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I'm Charles Coviss, the moderator of this group.
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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur and I urge all of you to remain passionate about
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our fight for freedom.
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I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from
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bad medical advice.
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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
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We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the world.
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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
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Now many of us proudly say yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers and I urge all of you to check
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and where you're from.
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a book, put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you.
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battle is only one of 12 battle fronts.
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The legal battle front is another of the 12 battle fronts.
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There's no time to be tired.
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I assess that we're four and a half years into a seven year war and now is the time
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not to be tired.
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One of the great quotes is that if you can question it, it's science.
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If you can't question it, it's propaganda.
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Some of us believe that viruses are a hoax and some of us sit on the fence.
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Others consider that having a debate about that issue is a distraction while the attacks
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on humanity continue.
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This meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time, Tom Rodman
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runs a video telegram meeting.
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Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.
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0:03:38 --> 0:03:[privacy contact redaction] presenters today, Dr. Richard Fox, for as long as Richard wishes
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This is a free speech environment.
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Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms.
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has introduced misinformation and disinformation legislation that is designed to shut down
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free speech.
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That's the classic communist playbook.
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that might be misinformation or disinformation.
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If you're offended by anything, be offended.
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We're lovingly not interested.
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Don't you dare say anything that may trigger somebody.
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We call BS on that.
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Fear is the opposite of love.
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Love on the other hand expands you, liberates you.
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attendees in these meetings.
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guy whose work in research was enabled by Jerry, which wouldn't have happened if Albert
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hadn't met Jerry on these calls.
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details into the chat, the meeting is recorded and is uploaded on the Rumble channel.
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Another matter on which the light has been shined in these meetings is the work of Hans
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done by the American government and the mainstream media siders on those Nord Stream pipeline
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is also telling.
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Charles, he also proved that it was a thermonuclear explosion, which is very important, of course.
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Thank you.
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And now we've got Keir Starmer wanting to urge British troops to be on the ground in the Ukraine,
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firing rockets into Russia.
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What a great idea.
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All the previous meetings can be found there.
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We thank you, Richard, for giving us your time, wisdom and insights and a formal introduction
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of the Free Now Foundation.
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Thank you, Shasta and Alex.
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Over to you.
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Well, thank you so much, Charles, for that great introduction.
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And it's my honor today to introduce Dr. Fox.
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We're one of the leading medical freedom law nonprofits in California.
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So let me jump in.
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This, I have to give props to Ron Owens for writing this incredible bio on Dr. Fox.
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So here we go.
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California attorney and pediatrician, Dr. Richard Fox, has filed a 154-page lawsuit
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The federal Centers for Disease Control and two California school districts late last month.
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Dr. Tomas Aragon, California Department of Education, state superintendent of public
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Rahi Varghese, and I apologize for any pronunciation problems there,
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California attorney general, Rob Bonta, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
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So there are a lot of defendants in this case all the way from California to the CDC.
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Dr. Fox is representing Free Now Foundation, one of the leading medical freedom law
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nonprofits in California, and Brave and Free Santa Cruz, a freedom advocacy group.
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school immunization requirements are unconstitutional under the first and 14th
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amendments and asks defendants to prove all 10 of the vaccines on the required schedule
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students, otherwise known as individualized education plans or IEP students, are legally
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exempt from those requirements. Furthermore, the complaint asserts that Dr. Halstead had his
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medical license revoked for giving informed consent around vaccination. Dr. Halstead's
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That graph reads, under our Declaration of Independence, our government derives its just
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powers from the consent of the governed. This only works when that consent is informed consent,
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both as to public affairs as well as personal affairs such as medical care. Denial of informed
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consent for medical care is an infringement of both our First Amendment right to speak
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and hear freely and our 14th Amendment right to give or withhold consent for medical treatment.
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The 154-page complaint was filed on August [privacy contact redaction], Eastern District
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in Santa Clara in 2009. He's been a member of the California State Bar since 2012. Dr. Fox earned
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a Bachelor of Arts degree in Economics from Michigan State University in East Lansing in 1968.
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Hospitals in 1978. Possessing more than 30 years of medical teaching experience, Dr. Fox served as
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Furthermore, he taught at Denver's National Jewish Hospital, Boston's Children's Hospital,
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San Jose's Good Sam Hospital, and Los Gatos' Community Hospital during his medical practicing
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and teaching career. In addition to his more than three decades of teaching, Dr. Fox published 24
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medical research papers and peer-reviewed journals. He has also authored numerous medical abstracts
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absolutely fortunate to hear from such an esteemed attorney and physician about this
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It's an honor for me to get to introduce Dr. Fox, an honor for me to get to have him on my
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Thank you very much, Alex. Thank you very much, Stephen and Charles. It's a pleasure and an honor
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to be with you today. I very much agree with the statement that were it not for COVID,
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we probably wouldn't be in this exact spot, although it's frightening to think that it
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of corruption and self-interest that we've probably had in medicine for a long time,
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when we were told that if you think you might have COVID, don't seek treatment,
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not as late as possible. So there was something about COVID that didn't seem right from the very
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beginning. And it's only, as you know, gotten a lot worse ever since. Early on, President Trump was
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Fauci and, as many of you know, the fraudulent Lancet paper. But there were some of us who
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thought there was merit to early treatment anyway. And in California here, the pioneers were George
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Fareed and Brian Tyson down in the Imperial Valley. I went down there to learn from them how they
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about 600 COVID patients here in Silicon Valley. I would appear in front of various public groups
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and give my little talk. And then I had a website where people could go and sign up for early
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treatment, get the forbidden drugs, that is the drugs that Dr. Fauci forbade, like hydroxychloroquine
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a number in their 80s. None of my COVID patients ever died, which was not a tribute to me. It was
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of course, we also, Alex and I appeared jointly several times during the [privacy contact redaction]ion
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campaign to talk about the harms of the COVID vaccines. I ran for U.S. Congress that year
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As you know, you couldn't get that kind of thing published anywhere in the mainstream media,
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but under California law, if I made it a ballot statement and paid my fees for that,
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they had to send it to all the voters. So for many people in the Silicon Valley, that's the first
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has only confirmed that the COVID vaccines have done far more harm than good. And in fact,
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it's not at all clear that they've ever done any good. I have a, one of my patients was telling me
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recently based on their personal experience, they had some connections with the Stanford
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like they've never seen before. They've never seen anything like the myocarditis
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that they've had since the COVID shots came out. So that really made us question the scientific
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integrity of the CDC. And as a pediatrician, I then started to wonder about the vaccines that
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we've always recommended for children. If the COVID vaccine could be so badly
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offered to the public, what about the children's vaccines? And fortunately, we had the work of
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Robert Kennedy and especially Brian Hooker, he is the chief scientific officer,
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themselves and done so in a very open, transparent way so that everybody could be confident of their
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So that's a big tip off. As an attorney, you're always looking for incongruous behavior,
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enterprise. But then as we went back and looked at this, this isn't something that was recently
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And there were a lot of vaccine injured children that far back. And they made such a fuss about it
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sued for all the harm they were causing. So that vaccine injury act provided the vaccine
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But in the process, as a legal matter, the federal government was thereby admitting
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harmed by the vaccines could be compensated out of that fund. And it's paid out many thousands of
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claims and millions of dollars in damages. So this causes a big problem when you go to the CDC's
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website and they say vaccines are safe and effective and unqualified safe. Well, if so,
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why do we need a Childhood Vaccine Injury Act that pays out millions of dollars in damages?
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So the CDC is being transparently dishonest in making that statement.
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One of the other things that came out of the Vaccine Injury Act was a requirement that there
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of Medicine, which is one of the three branches of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences,
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and to do those vaccine safety reviews. They did one comprehensive review in 1994 and the second
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The conclusion that they came to was that in almost all cases there was not enough evidence,
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scientific evidence to show that the vaccines were safe. They found that it appeared that the
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measles vaccine they thought did not cause autism. There were three or four others that they concluded
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the CDC never wanted them to do any more studies of that, probably because they would have had to
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come to the same conclusion that the data is still inadequate. So 12 years ago the agency mandated by
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Congress to review vaccine safety said that there was not enough evidence to show that they were
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safe and yet neither the CDC, the FDA, nor anybody else has wanted to do those studies. So again,
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as an attorney, I look at that and say, well, I think there's probably a good reason why they
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don't want to look at that. It's sort of like the killer doesn't want you to look in the closet and
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that we had to consider was some kind of litigation. We've had a lot of groups doing a lot of great work
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in the public education sphere. Certainly Robert Kennedy's group, Children's Health Defense, has
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been tireless in their efforts to get the word out. Alex's group, Finau Foundation, the same.
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Steve Kirsch has done great work getting out all of the good information both on COVID and then
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subsequently on the childhood vaccines. But the CDC, particularly under this Biden administration, has
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quite diligently ignored all of that, all the public outcry.
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The Congress, the US Congress hasn't really paid much attention to it. Granted, they've got a lot
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of other serious problems to deal with. But this is a very serious problem and they should have been
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that can bring the judicial process to bear on these kinds of issues. It can give us tools to
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of the great tools of litigation. So I worked on this for about six months or so. One of the
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conclusions I came to early on, I looked at some of the previous lawsuits that had been
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brought in this area and they've been brought by very able attorneys. The interesting thing is the
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courts look at those lawsuits, you know, challenging vaccine mandates and so forth.
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And the judges are very, very reluctant to get involved in those cases. We certainly saw that
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0:25:58 --> 0:26:[privacy contact redaction]ions on people going to church took almost a year
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0:26:05 --> 0:26:[privacy contact redaction] to decide that that was not allowed. And then as far as all these vaccine
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again, the courts were very reluctant to look at those. And when you look at this, this goes back
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0:26:31 --> 0:26:[privacy contact redaction] vaccine case was in 1905, the Jacobson v. Massachusetts case.
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In that case, there was an epidemic of, or an outbreak at least of smallpox in the city of
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Cambridge, Massachusetts. They passed a town ordinance that all the adults in Cambridge had
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it would be harmful to his health. He also objected to it because he didn't think the
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government had the power to mandate that people had to get vaccinated. So as you can see, the
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controversy has been with us since 1905. That case ultimately went to the U.S. Supreme Court,
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which decided that it was okay for Massachusetts and particularly the city of Cambridge
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to mandate vaccination. And Jacobson makes very interesting reading because when you boil it down
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stage at that time. It was pre-Flexner. Most medical education was actually
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of even medical schools back then. So in that sort of pre-scientific era, the Supreme Court
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0:28:13 --> 0:28:[privacy contact redaction] said, well, everybody knows that vaccine, that smallpox vaccine works.
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0:28:21 --> 0:28:[privacy contact redaction]s, they said it's a matter of common knowledge. And the court said we can
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take cognizance of common knowledge. And so we're going to use common knowledge to say that it's
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okay to mandate vaccines. Not that much has changed in all these years. We had a case in the
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the 20th century. And we're not going to get in the way of that. That's what it boiled down to.
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So my conclusion was that you can make a lot of legal arguments about the First Amendment,
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the 14th Amendment, and they're very valid arguments. But the judges, the courts,
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development by medical science. In other words, you would have to convince the court that there
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is some good reason to doubt that vaccines are really the universal miracle that they're
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the legal underpinnings of vaccines, but also the medical and scientific underpinnings.
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0:30:08 --> 0:30:[privacy contact redaction], I came to the conclusion that no judge probably wants to put out a decision
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throwing out vaccine mandates, and then six months later, pick up the paper and read that
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there's now an outbreak of measles. And it's all due to the judge so-and-so ruling against
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medical arguments. So that's what we did with this. That's why the lawsuit is several times
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0:30:40 --> 0:30:[privacy contact redaction]inary lawsuit. We talked a lot about the studies that Brian Hooker reviewed in
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his great book that he wrote with Robert Kennedy called Vax Unvax. In fact, we plagiarized
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We did that with some of the work of Suzanne Humphries, some of Neil Miller's work, and
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all these things that showed that vaccines were not all that they were cracked up to be.
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And as I said, after going through all that, then we pointed out that these studies have been out
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all these years, and the study that we did was a study that was published in the New York Times,
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been out all these years, and the CDC has done nothing to rebut them to do their own studies.
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That's very, very telling. So let's turn to a moment to the legal issues and structure of all
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this. Well, let me give credit also to Dr. Mawson, who in [privacy contact redaction]udy.
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He was able to do finding enough cases of unvaccinated children to be able to compare them
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with those who were vaccinated, and again showing that the unvaccinated children were actually much
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healthier, that the vaccinated children have much higher incidences of learning disability,
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asthma, eczema, and particularly in African American children, the findings were even more
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striking. So on the legal part of this, this is actually sort of what I would call a vaccine
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injury lawsuit, but it has sort of three separate suits within it. The first is a challenge to the
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0:33:22 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction]itutionality of California's vaccine mandate. Well, what is that mandate?
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0:33:32 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction]ringent school vaccine requirements of any jurisdiction.
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0:33:41 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction]er to go to not only public school, but private school, even preschool, even daycare,
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0:33:51 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction]y with the CDC's vaccine schedule, except they have not yet adopted the
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COVID vaccine in California's mandate. So right now that amounts to, I don't know, something like
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60, 70, 75 different shots altogether in that CDC schedule. Any child who doesn't have all those can't
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go to any of those schools or preschools. It used to be, excuse me, the case that California allowed
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a religious exemption and a personal belief exemption, but those were eliminated in 2015,
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supposedly because there were too many exemptions being given out, and the measles vaccine coverage
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0:34:55 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction], there was an outbreak of measles at Disneyland in late 2014 and early 2015,
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0:35:03 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]ification for this stringent tightening of the requirements in California.
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They eliminated the personal belief exemption, the religious exemption.
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The only medical exemption that is allowed now would be in the case of a child who had an actual
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but not any of the others. So it's about as tight as tight can be.
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0:35:48 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]ice these days, parents come to me quite regularly to see if they can get an
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exemption from California's vaccine mandate. And I have to tell them that legally, there's nothing
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And we'll talk more about that in just a little bit. So parents have become quite desperate,
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some quite innovative. A major alternative they have is not to send their children to
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in her sophomore year in high school. And I think she's been home schooled the whole time
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days as they can in California public schools, but they certainly missed out on all the
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I had one father call me recently. He was very, very adamant that he had to find a way to get his
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daughter out of this. And in sort of so many words, he pretty much offered me any amount of
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money I had in mind to do what we call a sham shot, which is you stick a needle in the arm,
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but there's nothing there. And then you sign off on the vaccine card. So you can see people are
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desperate. Needless to say, I did not take him up on his offer. And I'm sufficiently paranoid about
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California now that it was not beyond the realm of possibility that he was an agent of some kind.
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0:37:55 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction], so the first lawsuit is to say that these mandates are unconstitutional. First of all,
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War, it's often called the Equal Protection Amendment. But it states that no one is to be
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deprived of their rights of due process, their rights without due process of law.
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The 14th Amendment has been held by the Supreme Court to have a component of the due process
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procedural rights, the right to trial by jury and no taking of your property without due process,
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due process rights. And those are rights that are so fundamental that they didn't even bother to
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0:39:32 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ance, you would have a due process right to earn a living. Now, it doesn't say that
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0:39:40 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]itution, but at the time that the Constitution was adopted, it was understood that
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0:39:47 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]e had a right to work for pay. So we didn't need to put that in the Constitution because
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clause. One of those rights is to be free from battery. That is somebody can't walk up to you
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and punch you in the face. One of the subdivisions of battery, it turns out, is someone imposing
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medical treatment on you that you didn't consent to. So you can't have your appendix taken out
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without your consent because that would be a battery. It's an unconsented touching.
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0:40:39 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction] case on that issue was in 1891. So it's been around a long time,
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and in 1891, the Supreme Court recognized the right to be free from unwanted medical care,
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an unwanted touching of your body for medical treatment. Somehow, the Jacobson Court seemed
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to miss that right. But it's been upheld numerous times since then. The most recent U.S. Supreme Court
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case on that was the Cruzon case, which involved a woman in a persistently vegetative state,
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and the family wanted to discontinue her life support because their view was that she would
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a right to refuse unwanted medical care. It also held that that right could be exercised on her
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behalf by her family if she were unable to exercise it, although they could not do so unreasonably.
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So this is a fundamental right that you have to refuse medical treatment. So
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how do we square that with Jacobson? Well, it's never really been successfully squared,
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and yet to this day, we see even the Love case as recently as [privacy contact redaction]e
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What he pointed out was that when Jacobson was decided in 1905,
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0:43:09 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] used was, was it reasonable or not? And Jacobson,
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0:43:16 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] said it was reasonable. In 1942, the U.S. Supreme Court decided the Skinner v. Williamson,
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well, Skinner v. Oklahoma case that addressed, well, what if what we're talking about is a
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0:43:41 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] that it's reasonable? And in that case, the court said yes. And when it's a fundamental
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right, the legal test is not just that is it reasonable, but is it strictly necessary,
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Oklahoma at that time had a law that certain people, if they were convicted of three or more
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felonies of a certain type, that they could be surgically sterilized. This was back during the
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time of eugenics movement. The Skinner appealed that to the U.S. Supreme Court and the court held
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that where it involved a medical procedure that was serious, life altering and irreversible,
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And that Oklahoma couldn't prove that. So ever since 1942, these fundamental right cases now have
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been decided on, never been reviewed, never been revisited under a strict scrutiny standard of
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review, and that it was probably about time to do that. So what he's basically doing there,
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I think, is inviting somebody to bring a federal suit to challenge vaccine mandates
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out on that issue so far. And so it's not clear that there are five votes on the Supreme Court to
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overrule Jacobson. But Jacobson is the major precedent that is always used to justify these
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vaccine mandates. And so we've got to overcome Jacobson. So here we're arguing that Jacobson is
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no longer good law since Skinner, that the right to decide whether you want to be vaccinated or not
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that imposed upon them. The other fundamental right under the 14th Amendment is the other side
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of this, which is the right of children to go to school. That was a fundamental right
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that has been recognized repeatedly by the U.S. Supreme Court. The principal cases are from, I
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believe, 1922, the Meyer v. Nebraska case, and in 1925, Pierce v. Oregon. So it's now called the
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Meyer-Pearse right. Meyer-Pearse right is the right of parents. It's a right of parents to
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want to send them to. So obviously, since California applies its vaccine mandate to private
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schools as well as public schools, we argue in our suit that that mandate violates the Meyer-Pearse
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The Meyer-Pearse right is a right of the parents. We also argue here that the children themselves
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have a right to be educated so that they can become proper productive citizens in society,
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that that is also a fundamental right of the child to an education, or at least to not be prevented
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from being educated. And that right also actually arises under the First Amendment, interestingly.
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0:48:28 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction] Amendment as a free speech right, but under the First Amendment,
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0:48:41 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]en to go to a school that is willing to take them in,
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0:48:49 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction] them as peacefully assembled to speak and learn and listen, that we argue is fundamental
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0:48:58 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] Amendment as well. So I think I'm going to stop here for just a minute, and
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So Charles, go ahead.
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Yes, Richard. So you said there were three elements, I think is the constitutional
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0:49:40 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]? Yes. They're not so much constitutional, but yes, two others.
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0:49:47 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] got, are there any questions on constitutional matters? So Rose, let's go
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Hey, sir. Great work. You hit a great term. The, how did you call it? Strict scrutiny.
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One of the arguments that I give is that you can't prove a negative. So put any child in front and
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say, prove that they would have been exposed to it. Prove that they would have been exposed
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So I wanted to throw that out if that's an element of strict scrutiny. And as a sidebar,
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one of the things I've done is written a proper legal definition for informed consent,
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that there is no proper comprehensive definition of informed consent. So I would love to send that
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to you. And then this isn't constitutional, but it does fall under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights
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Act that's being violated. So those are my three points for you.
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over here and grab a pen for a second. Sure. Charles knows I can talk for hours. So
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Well, when you said strict scrutiny. Yes, thank you.
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You know, I think that's a wonderful term because I always throw out to people,
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you cannot prove a negative. So when they say that vaccines have, you know,
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oh, because they got the shot, they didn't get infected. They didn't get infected and got sick
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it, first of all, I think it disposes of the Jacobson precedent. And once you dispose of that,
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then you've got to have a new precedent. And they don't have any other Supreme Court precedent to
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fall back upon once Jacobson is found to be not applicable. So I think the Supreme Court is going
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0:53:01 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] to take some case along these lines at some point because I just Jacobson is no longer
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viable. So they're going to have to have a case that they decide under strict scrutiny.
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0:53:15 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]e have is they have resolutely refused to do any placebo
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0:53:23 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]udies. So you're exactly right. They can't prove the negative because they refuse to
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0:53:30 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]udy it. And so we're going to be arguing probably in the earlier part of the case
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that the mandate has to be set aside until they do such placebo controlled studies because
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Yep. Yep. So there's sort of two ways that you can show causation from a scientific
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0:54:13 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]n't found yet. But with placebo controlled studies, that's one way. And the other
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way that you can look at this is proximity and time studies. That is, let's say the adverse effect
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that you're looking at is childhood autism that occurs between the ages of one and three when
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0:54:37 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]en are getting various vaccines. So if the onset of the autism is unrelated to the vaccine,
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bump around the time after the vaccination. Those onsets should be randomly distributed over that
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whole time period. But what we know is that autism, the regressive autism that we see in one to three
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year olds in the majority of cases occurs within the first 24 to 48 hours after vaccination.
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So that's pretty strong evidence of causation. So I don't think they'll be able to pass strict
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scrutiny. On the informed consent, I'd be happy to see what you've written. In California, the
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0:55:35 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]essed that issue. In 1972, they decided the case of Cobb v. Grant.
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And I find it to be a very useful approach. What they noted was that the degree of informed consent
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depends a lot on what it is that you propose to do. If it's something very minimal, like we're
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0:56:05 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction], the consent process for that is pretty simple.
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If we're going to do a heart, lung, kidney, liver transplant, well, the consent process for that is
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going to be very detailed. So what Cobb v. Grant determined or decided was that it's a reasonable
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0:56:30 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction] What would a reasonable person want to know about this particular procedure?
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And that sounds very nebulous, but it is a practical thing to do because what they said was
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that we're going to leave it up to the jury to decide what it would a reasonable person want to
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know. Well, one of the biggest things that I see missing that I see being abused all the time is
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the time period. They're not distinguishing between emergent, urgent, and something elective.
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So what's going on now in hospitals is, oh, they're having them sign the informed consent,
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the permission form as they're being wheeled into surgery. No, no, no, no, no, especially after
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you've already given them a sedative. So that's part of what I've incorporated in and also too is
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Yeah, that's one of the biggest problems, of course, is that the person who's obtaining the
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permission is typically the person who's proposing to do the procedure. So on the one hand, they've
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already recommended that you get this, but then we're asking them to also talk about the downside
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of it. And in the law, we would call that being in a conflicted position.
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Oh, yeah, that's an excellent point.
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I don't think you want to have the permission process being undertaken by a conflicted person.
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We would never allow that in the law, and I don't know why we would in medicine.
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I'm reminded about a home loan that I got a year or two ago, and they had a huge
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consent form that we were supposed to read and sign. The interesting thing was that
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different entity than the bank that was handling the loan. Well, I think that would be a good
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model for medicine. That's brilliant. Thank you. I'm going to incorporate that in my definition.
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But yeah, I'll throw it up in the chat. We're going to keep moving, Rose. So the third one,
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0:59:18 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction] one, your third point. It's not constitutional, but it is federal law.
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That's what they're using against the illegal mandates. I'll throw it up in the chat.
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0:59:40 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction], as you mentioned. Yeah, the [privacy contact redaction], which is
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That I'm not familiar with, but go ahead. Oh, no, that's huge. Then you need to know about that.
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1:00:05 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction] is using that around the country in numerous, numerous cases.
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So the Belmont report was written because of the Tuskegee scandal. And it's basically written that
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you can't be forced into medical research. And a lot of these shots fall under medical research.
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1:00:21 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction] not gone through clinical trials. Rose, if you can put that link.
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Yeah, they also violate the exemption because they're showing that they were supposed to be
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exempt from liability, but they were supposed to be exempt from liability. And they're not.
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They're not going to be able to get that exemption. They're not going to be able to get that
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exempt from liability. But they were supposed to be submitting like yearly or bi-yearly safety
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studies, which they have violated, I think, since that law has been passed.
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And we've lost Richard, it looks like. Okay. I'll throw that stuff up in the chat.
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That'd be great. That would be great. All right, Anders, wait till we get, there's Richard is back.
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Yeah, sorry. Some reason I lost my internet connection, but go ahead.
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Rose will put those links into the chat, Richard. They're very valuable. Note that
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1974 legislation as well. So check that out that you can't force research onto people.
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I've seen that the difficulty is that we have something similar in California,
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but in many of these settings, the vaccines are being given not under a research protocol,
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1:01:53 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction] under the authority of the FDA. Yeah, but they haven't gone through research,
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ergo, they haven't gone through clinical trials. Yeah, but once the FDA approves them,
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that's kind of irrelevant. They don't have to go through clinical trials at that point.
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That's the problem. Yeah. Okay. Worthy of contemplation. Thank you,
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Rose. Great points. Anders is next. FDA is completely corrupted, but that's another side.
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And Jacobson, Richard, I studied that half a year ago or so, and I went really into the rabbit hole.
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1:02:43 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]e don't realize is that, okay, it is smallpox. It is the
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1:03:08 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]ory is that this vaccination, if you go into the detail of it, it was by introducing
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I would say cow blood or cow material into humans. The claim was it was a cowpox
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kind of vaccine, which would be causing that the smallpox of another type of disease would go away.
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And this is all BS, basically. But, okay. This is history. I have made 125 years of research
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into all of this. I would love to share all of it with every one of you. It's free available.
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I can share it to your emails. What I will say is that the US Constitution does not cover health.
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1:04:29 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] was thrown out. That's another side issue. What I will say is that
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you've done a great work, Richard. I really hear what you've done. I'm listening to you.
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You may not know about the great work of Martin Paul. He has connected,
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he was in the camp of I would say vaccines. No, EMF. Meaning 3G, 4G, 5G. And he was seeing,
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he has this theory of calcium channel, which will cause, let's say COVID, because of the,
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say the pollution or radiation, radiation disease from radiation.
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Radiation. Okay. But he has very recently, as early as April this year, connected
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2012 with his calcium channel, which were destroyed by the 3G, 4G, 5G later.
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And then he find that this is only half the truth. You have good, one eye, Richard,
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really one good eye. The second good eye is to see what Martin Paul has seen, which is the connection
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to that these, yeah, two points of attack of the human biology is the combination of
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nanometals, aluminium, iron, many, many more. And these are going into your body. They're going
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into your brain, into your nervous system. And these are causing these autism, ME diseases.
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1:07:17 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction] all of these new diseases are correlated double. If you go to Olle Johansson, 19,
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let's say, [privacy contact redaction]ion of the TV, of the microwave, it was studied from 64 to
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2000, 1234. You find that he only see half. He see the EMF connection. He didn't see that at the
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same time, the virus was, let's say, the idea of the virus, the vaccination, the harm from all these
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interventions through the blood, through the body caused the double story. So I'm just challenging
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you, please look at Martin Paul. He has the double knowledge connecting both what you talk about
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and let's say, vaccination and EMF, combined both. And the combined both is probably much worse and
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a single part of it. All right, I would say-
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Steele comes on here and says that the 5G towers are weapons, are attack weapons. So that is an
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States? Due process, that's right. You're entitled to self-defense. That's right, but you're entitled
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to self-defense, correct, in the US? And so if the electromagnetic radiation issued by these 5G
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towers is harming us, which the evidence, Anders' evidence is clear, then suddenly you've got another
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1:09:22 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]em. We'll stop it there, Anders, but I think it's a relevant point
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I think this attack, these weapons that can cause harm, we're entitled to self-defense
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1:09:46 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] them. And the definition of these jabs, of course, is bioweapons. So there's another element
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that perhaps gives certain legal rights against being jabbed with these bioweapons. All right,
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thank you, Anders. Julie, Julie's doing some great work in California. Yeah, it's really a pleasure to
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be on and to meet you, Mr. Fox. I'm up here in Butte County in Chico and spent 24-[privacy contact redaction]
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1:10:19 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] the COVID vaccine. I was a healthcare worker injured by two shots,
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worked for public health and saw a lot of what happened and went wrong on the inside,
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and then got fired for not taking the booster. And my mom died of four shots and she's from
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Santa Clara County. So I want to go after Sarah Cody. I want to go after everybody here in Butte
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County. And I've got Butte County dead to write. So I sent Alex a text and I'm meeting Ron Owens,
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actually tomorrow night in Chico because we're screening Bax 3. So I'll cover everything we've
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1:10:47 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]aint we filed, the FOIA request. Javier Becerra came here in
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March of 22 and he paid Butte County $225,000 to go hunt down kids, 5-17 year olds, and they rolled
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out little vaccine clinics through the Butte County Office of Education. So we've got all those
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materials. But here's my question. So first off, the VAERS report. So Albert and I partner a lot
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on these VAERS reports. And I produce these numbers every day for Dr. Thorpe or whoever needs
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1:11:17 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction], I sent Alexis Lorenz, that poor young girl in Southern California, the VAERS
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reports for those three vaccines. So if you need any of that information by time zone, by, you know,
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as much as we can bear down on these VAERS reports, Albert and I can partner on that.
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But here's my question. So state of California, I've heard we have the only state with the Nuremberg
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code language built into our health and safety code. I don't know if that's part of our state
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in? And again, as a mom, as a grandmother, who is absolutely, I live with the fact that I shot my
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daughter with an HPV vaccine in eighth grade, that to this day, she's [privacy contact redaction] kids,
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vaccine. So I greatly commend you and appreciate you from going after this criminal cabal,
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especially here in California. But yeah, can you talk to the Nuremberg code in California?
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So I'm not sure exactly if you could give me a code section site. I'll be happy to look it up.
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But the one I'm familiar with has to do with the rights of research subjects. And there is a health
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and safety code issue on the rights of medical research subjects. As I say, I don't think that
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hits the nail on the head, shall we say, because they'll just scoot out from under that and say,
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well, this isn't medical research. This is just medical practice. But I find the grant
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decision to be a much better hammer to use to hit that nail, because it is the law and it applies
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to everybody. What is informed consent? And one of the things I really like about it is it
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1:13:22 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]s it for the jury to decide. The significance of that, from a legal
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point of view is this, that let's say we wanted to sue some hospital or medical organization,
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because we say that they were doing all these shots and they weren't getting informed consent
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for them. So when you're a lawyer defending that kind of case, the first thing you're looking for
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so widely, as you may know, there were two versions of the COVID vaccine. There was the
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FDA authorized vaccine and the FDA approved vaccine. And most people got the FDA authorized
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vaccine. And the reason for that was that the Pfizer and Moderna didn't allow anything else
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Act, that gave blanket immunity to all the not only drug manufacturers, but also the people who
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gave the shots. So if you're defending a case, you're always looking for some kind of legal
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the DTAP, the MMR, those that are FDA approved, the PREP Act immunity, I don't believe,
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going to the jury. So then the jury has to decide, well, do I think the consent process here was
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reasonable? And in a lot of cases, if you've got a really bad injury, a child who died or was badly
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harmed by it, a lot of those jurors are going to look at the consent forms that the CDC puts out
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and say, well, there's no informed consent here. So it takes the decision away from the judge and
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the law and gives it to the jury. And I think you could have a much easier time proving a lack of
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informed consent to a jury. So that's why I like Cobb v. Grant, as opposed to any kind of statutory
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thing that might be based on the Nuremberg Code or something like that, because it's a lot easier
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to convince a judge to dismiss the case. And then you don't ever get to the jury. So that's why I
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like Cobb v. Grant. That's really helpful. And really quick, Charles, to your point about the 5G.
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So here in Chico, probably all of California, during 2020, they rolled out all of this 5G
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and surrounded the schools, gave every kid a notebook, a wireless notebook. So we're having
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all sorts of seizures and all sorts of problems near all these schools because they've surrounded
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them now with more and heavy duty wireless for all their wireless applications. So I think, Charles,
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you make a good point to really look into that. What did Gilroy do? What did those unified school
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1:17:01 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]s that are in your lawsuit do with all these wireless products that just add to the
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problem? So thank you so much. I'm looking forward to the rest of your call.
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1:17:09 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction], could I ask a favor of you? Can you tell me how to get a hold of Albert?
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Oh, yeah, he's actually on here, but I'm sure he will keep him. He'll put his phone number in the
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chat. Albert's on the call. There he is. Albert, say hello.
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Hi, Dr. Fox. It's me, Albert, the VAERS guy.
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Yes, I think we may have met briefly at the MIMNO Forum one time.
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Yeah, we've met. I've shook your hand before.
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Thank you. See, I want to try to get some data from the California Department of Health,
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and if I get it, I need somebody to do the statistics on it.
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I'd love to help. You know, since I'm here, I just put with Ernesto Ramirez, we got an amicus brief,
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together John Baudwin's amicus brief coming out soon. But basically, my part in there is that I've
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been trying to expose the fraud that's being perpetrated on the VAERS system. The VAERS system
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very same ones that are obfuscating and colluding with Big Pharma. They're using VAERS to run cover
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for Big Pharma by purposely throttling or delaying the publication of reports.
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That's why we're still getting COVID death reports where the victim died in 2021,
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and we're still getting the reports new today as if, you know, they're new reports, but you see that
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the date of death is in 2021. So whether it's by timestamp and the VAERS people themselves
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have held the report in their possession for 600 or 900 days, that's one form of the throttling,
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and the other half of the throttling is the manufacturer themselves that automatically
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crosswalk the report into VAERS. The manufacturer, Pfizer, Moderna, J&J, we're still getting J&J debts.
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and then submitting it to VAERS. And, you know, the VAERS system, nobody is being held accountable.
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any of these lawsuits that, you know, our own government is perpetrating fraud on us
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1:20:14 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]em. It should be a pharmacovigilant system. I call it a pharmacofraudulant
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1:20:21 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] comment on it. I talked about the constitutional aspect of the case.
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There's a sort of a side package to that part of the case because we have a cause of action in there
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for what we lawyers call common law fraud, and that claim is directed against the CDC.
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Now, I won't spend the next day or two going through all of the CDC fraud, but you know it
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well. But I very much wanted to be able to bring the CDC into this case because California, their
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shot mandate is based on the CDC. In other words, California doesn't have its own data to show that
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1:21:20 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]ive. So when we challenge their mandate that it's not safe and not effective,
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1:21:27 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] look over their shoulder and say, well, the CDC says it's safe and effective. That's what
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we're relying upon. So we had to put the CDC in the case because that's who California relies on
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for their science. But as you know, the data, the science from the CDC is questionable at best.
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And as Charles, I think, pointed out early on, we have this recent statement by Dr. Plotkin
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that, as I recall, his exact words were that the science wasn't all that rigorous,
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I think was the term he used. It's a polite way to put it. So we have to have the CDC in the case,
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1:22:14 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ruggled for a while to try to figure out what legal theory were we going to come up with
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1:22:19 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] something you can use to sue the government.
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And so the federal government can be sued under a statute called the Federal Tort's Claims Act.
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So let's say that the Secret Service motorcade runs over your grandma who's trying to cross the
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street at the crosswalk with the light. Well, grandma can sue the federal government for
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1:22:46 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]inarily, the federal government has statutory immunity, but the
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1:22:53 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]y when it passed the Federal Tort's Claims Act.
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1:22:59 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] to find something that is what we call a tort. A tort is some kind of a legal claim
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for an injury of some kind. And fraud is one of the common law torts. Somebody
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sold you a pig in the poke. That's a fraud. And now I'm not aware that the CDC or
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maybe any other government agency has ever been sued under the Tort's Claims Act for lying to
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the public. I mean, as we know, the government lies to you 24 hours a day. And whether there
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are legal remedies for that, I think will be disputed heavily, no doubt, by the federal
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government. Can they be sued for lying to the public? But we put a little more meat on those
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bones because we pointed out that here the CDC gets 42% of its annual operating budget for
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1:24:08 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]e working at the CDC, they take home a lot of money in their own
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pocket by promoting these vaccines. So I'm hoping that we can get the court to say that that's enough
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1:24:27 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] the CDC for fraud. If we can bring such a legal claim,
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1:24:36 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] only knows what kind of discovery we could get once we get
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in that door. So if we can pry that door open, you and a lot of other people are going to be delighted,
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I'm sure, at what we find on the other side of it. Anything that Julie and I can do to help,
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1:24:55 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] let me know. I'm ready. Yep.
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All right. Great job, Albert. And Richard, on the issue of tort, negligence is a tort.
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And negligently, when the CDC is negligently speaking, that's causing harm. And I urge you
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to look into that negligence issue because I hadn't heard of the Federal Tort Claims Act.
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1:25:19 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]n't got that legislation in Australia, but negligence is a tort and negligently
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speaking. Now, my other question before you continue is, does the, I can't remember,
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1:25:30 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]itution give right to trial by jury?
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You know, it's funny, you read my mind or I read yours because that was the next point I was going
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1:25:43 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction] decided a case just in June, in the most recent term. I think it
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was called, I've forgotten, J-A-N something. But it had to do with when are you allowed to
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have a trial by jury? And yes, that is, I believe it's in the Seventh Amendment.
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1:26:15 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] was, well, in what kind of cases are you allowed to
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have a trial by jury? So we have a lot of cases that are administrative law. And in the US,
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in many of those cases, they're simply tried to the judge, tried to the bench.
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1:26:38 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] held in June was that if it's an administrative case, which is analogous
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to a common law tort, and I think here it was a Securities Exchange Commission case,
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but it was analogous to a common law tort, which I think was fraud. The Supreme Court said if it
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involves a common law tort or is analogous to a common law tort, you get a trial to a jury.
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And so that's a huge help because, as I said, it's a lot easier to convince a jury
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of moral outrage than it is a judge, you might say. So that's what we're aiming for.
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1:27:28 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction] the case reference for those who are interested.
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1:27:34 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ion on the jury issue, remember the phrase, a jury of your peers?
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1:27:43 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ate that who are the peers? We don't go into it, but I urge you to have a look at that
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because there is an argument that's been badly misinterpreted and that if you're a doctor,
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1:27:59 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]e, then the jury of your peers should only be doctors and arguably so. So it might be
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1:28:06 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]ion as well. Richard, we're going to keep moving because
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we're going to run it. We're going to keep moving with the rest of your presentation.
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Glenn, have you got a quick question on constitutional matters?
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1:28:19 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]age? Mine's rather short. It's a piece of information for Richard.
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Wasn't sure whether he's familiar with it. Hold that thought. Let's get Richard to go through
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to the end and then you'll be the first question. Okay. Okay. Richard, on you go.
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1:28:36 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]ions? Sorry, when Richard stops, yes, you,
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Stephen, then Glenn will be first after that. Right. Okay.
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Stephen, how could you ask? Well, I didn't get a chance then anyway, but go ahead.
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Well, I was sort of waiting. I have got some important points. Actually,
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I've just run through them. Thank you so much for coming on very quickly. The Nuremberg Code
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is about human experimentation. And that's exactly what was going on in 2021. And indeed in 2020,
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1:29:06 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]e, when everybody in the world, certainly doctors should have known
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that human beings are highly social animals and they should never have been locked down.
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It seems to me, I'm sorry to say, I'm not criticizing you personally,
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but I think that the law is used by our enemies to muddy the waters. And we have to be honest
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1:29:28 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction] not done very much since 2020. Human rights in the UK,
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1:29:37 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]e, there's a very good law firm, which I won't name, very well known for human rights.
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1:29:45 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction] been absolutely silenced about COVID, silenced about everything to do with COVID,
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with gross violations of human rights in the United Kingdom. So another thing that I observe
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1:29:58 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]or is that there was no pandemic in my view, medical view as a doctor, there was no
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pandemic. And indeed, very likely, there was no novel respiratory disease called COVID-19.
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So the point I'm trying to make is that lawyers wittingly or unwittingly maybe,
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play into the narrative necessarily because they're trying to convince a judge in particular,
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a jury less difficult to convince, but still difficult to convince, especially in these
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1:30:30 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]ances, because everybody has deliberately been mind controlled and brainwashed in schools.
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1:30:39 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to say, pass those comments, because everybody's agreeing about the
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small points, but my job is to kind of look at the big points. We all knew in 2020 that everything
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that was happening was wrong. And unfortunately, lawyers have failed in their duty to the public,
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1:31:01 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] not gone for criminal charges. And that's what they should have done.
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1:31:06 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ead, they're going for trying to convince judges that they have standing. And it's pathetic.
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It's consenting to small versions of themselves, being viewed as small versions of themselves.
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And that's exactly what Gail McCrae was talking about on Sunday. I recommend Gail McCrae's video
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to you, Richard. It's absolutely brilliant. And she is brilliant too. She may or may not realize
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it, but she is a leader. And she's just wonderful. She's a wonderful speaker. And every word she
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utters is loaded. She was home schooled for the whole time that she could have been at school,
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state school. And if that's how one can turn out when one is home schooled by good teachers,
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because obviously it depends who's teaching you at home, then I think it's something that we need
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to aim for, because the brainwashing is the problem and the mind control, it seems to me.
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If we're looking at everything through the lens of brainwashing and mind control,
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then we're not going to get a very good society. And so thank you so much.
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Sorry about that speech.
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1:32:26 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] a brief comment. As you know, Robert Malone has talked quite a bit about this
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mind control and weaponization of COVID as a Psi-op, you might say. And I think there's a lot of merit
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to that view. One of the amazing things that I learned, and I think a lot of other people learned
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from COVID, was the mind control that could be exerted by this sort of thing. You had people
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doing all kinds of things that one would have never thought anyone in their right mind would do,
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and going along with it and even supporting it and getting behind it.
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Robert Malone, of course, uses the term of mass historical psychosis or something like that.
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1:33:25 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] used by my friend Mark McDonald as a psychiatrist from Los Angeles. I
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1:33:31 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]easure of meeting him recently. And it's quite an amazing force. And we see it not only
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1:33:40 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] to COVID, but so many other issues of the day, whether it's climate change or gender
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dysphoria or all of these sorts of things. Yeah, sure. So Richard, my view as a doctor
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is that that is how human beings naturally operate in cult. And why? Well, because most people don't
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want to take responsibility for their lives. They want to be led. So they join a cult. And
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1:34:09 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]e essentially, you can see it in the so-called
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freedom movement, you know, that everybody's saying, and not just in the freedom movement,
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we operate our lives like this. We want people to listen to us. And essentially what everybody
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is saying to everyone else is join my cult. Those are the ones who want to take responsibility,
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1:34:32 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]and me. But many, many human beings, of course, want to hide in a group,
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thinking that the group is safe when it actually reverses. True, of course. So Muhammad Ali said
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1:34:44 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]e want to be in a group because they think it's safe. I don't know whether he was
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quoting someone else, but he is attributed, I saw this attributed to him. People want to be in a group
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to be safe. But he said, I don't want to be in a group because I think it's unsafe. And I agree
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with him. And we can agree. I think all of us can agree since 2020, that's been the big lesson.
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Groups are extremely dangerous. They take you away from the truth.
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And we like to think that we will be free in a democracy. But that's only half the battle.
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1:35:25 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] freedom, you have to have democracy, but that's only the half of it.
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1:35:30 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] is a very strong constitution that guarantees individual
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rights. Because as Churchill once observed, democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding
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1:35:46 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] for lunch. Absolutely. And so the sheep have to have rights that the wolves cannot
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take from them. Also, a lot of lawyers saying, oh no, we can't do that because the judge will
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1:36:01 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]n't got standing. Whatever, you know, all these ridiculous man-made
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notions, in my opinion, when actually what you need is someone to just say, well, actually,
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we all think that this was wrong in 2020. We don't all of the things. But the people who are
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thinking independently, hopefully. But anyway, thank you so much, Richard. Yep. I just wanted
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to expand the discussion a little bit. I don't get many... But anyway. As Charles was saying,
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let me try to move on briefly to those other two so we can get done within our time.
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The other two are less cosmic or global, but we have a subset of the mandated vaccines
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that are being mandated for, in many cases, for children who are already vaccine injured.
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In California, something like 13% of all of the students in the schools, the public schools,
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are in special education programs because for the most part, they have some kind of, usually
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learning disability. Some of them are physically disabled. The ones who have learning disability,
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1:37:31 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]-vaccine learning disabilities. Some of them, they were born that
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1:37:38 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]s or congenital anomalies, but the majority of them are acquired
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1:37:46 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]-vaccine. In California, at this time, the incidence of autism
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1:37:54 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]udents. It's just a phenomenally high number. And 80% of those are
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boys. So if you are a parent and the ultrasound shows that you're going to have a boy child,
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the odds are something like about one in 12, 13, that that boy child, if given all of the vaccines,
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1:38:19 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]ic child in a special education program. I mean, it's truly frightening.
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So then comes California telling those parents, well, too bad your child has a learning disability,
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1:38:35 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] to get all your shots to go to school to get the special education
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services that you need because we injured you the first time with the vaccines.
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So how I got into this, of course, was I had a mother who was in the special education program.
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How I got into this, of course, was I had a mother bring her child with her to my office to see about
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a medical, actually to see about getting some kind of medical exemption because she had been
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1:39:07 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] more vaccinations. Her story was that the child had been
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doing fine up to age two and a half when he was required to get several vaccines.
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And within 24 hours, he lost all his speech capability and was completely, just as she said,
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gibberish, couldn't understand anything he was saying. And so she had him in special classes for
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speech for years. And eventually he got intelligible speech back, but he's still very
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still delayed in his speech abilities. So he's in a special education program. And now they're
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telling her she needs even more vaccines. As you can imagine, like most mothers, she was distraught
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1:40:09 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction] about in tears. What am I to do? My husband and I both have to
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work because otherwise we can't afford to live. And yet he has to, I can't afford to send him to
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private school. I can't afford to homeschool him. What am I to do? So he is one of the plaintiffs
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in this case. Well, there are 800,[privacy contact redaction]udents who are in the same situation.
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Their special education services are funded for the most part by federal money under the
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Individuals with Disabilities Education Act. We argue in our complaint, in our lawsuit,
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1:41:02 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]en who are under this federally funded program cannot be excluded from school
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without a whole bunch of what are called procedural protections that are provided under this federal
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statute. The family has to get notice that the school intends to reduce or eliminate their
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their services. They get the right to a hearing. They get a right to an appeal of the hearing.
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1:41:38 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] to the U.S. Supreme Court. And in fact, quite a number of cases
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1:41:43 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] to the U.S. Supreme Court. During all that time, the child still gets to
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stay in school until that whole process has run its course. Yet the woman who came to my office
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and all these other parents are being told if you don't get these shots, you are excluded from
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school. And that's the end of the discussion. No notice to them about any right of appeal, notice,
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hearings, any of the sort. So we're going to be looking for the court to give us an injunction
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mandating that the schools cannot exclude any of these students without all of the federally
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1:42:26 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ions and that they get to stay in school until all those protections have
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run their course. And because the schools have been telling, have been wrongly telling the parents
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1:42:46 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] to do this and not telling them that they have any rights, we're going to ask the
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court to send a letter to all those parents telling them that we were wrong before and the
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truth of the matter is that your child will not have to get these shots until after all these
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1:43:10 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] run their course. So that's what we call the individual education program,
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part of this lawsuit. And as I said, it actually involves a large fraction of the California
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school population. It's 13% of these children who are already vaccine injured. They should be
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exempt. They should be legally exempt from these requirements. So I'm relatively hopeful that we'll
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be able to get that relief in the short run because the law is quite explicit about
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that they cannot be excluded from school without all this. So I'm hoping we'll have something
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1:44:02 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]udents. So let me stop there for a second and see if there are
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1:44:08 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]ions about the special education students. Very good. So Stephen first,
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1:44:15 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]ion, Richard, Del Bigtree said that just so that everyone gets these numbers in Alex,
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1:44:23 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] off the top of your head that in 1986, one in 10,[privacy contact redaction]en
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1:44:30 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]ic. He then said it was coming down to one in [privacy contact redaction] year, perhaps. And now you're
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saying it's one in [privacy contact redaction]ic kids. Is that in California or America? California.
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One in 20,000. I just understand from one in 10,[privacy contact redaction]inary.
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1:44:53 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] on, I don't know, I haven't seen an analysis. Certainly there was an analysis
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at the time of lockdowns of the, sorry, the impact on health of joblessness.
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Right? You lose a job, massive negative impact. Look at the impact on not only the children,
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1:45:16 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] to look after these children. So, you know, Stephen, I don't know
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1:45:22 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]n't heard any of us talk about those numbers on autism.
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1:45:27 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction], questions from, start with you, Stephen.
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Yeah. So I said quite a few of the things I wanted to say in the last preamble or whatever.
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1:45:41 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] wondered, Richard, can you, I know you're going down the civil route,
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1:45:47 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] thought about going down the criminal route, because it seems
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to me that everything that was, so I'm a medical doctor. It just seemed to me that there was no
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1:45:58 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]ification for any of the measures in inverted commas. And that's how I got my
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1:46:08 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]en to me. It took me six weeks to come up with that in 2020. I was just mystified
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that they didn't agree with me immediately, because previously they had at least given me
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a hearing. But I think maybe now I realise that they were, certainly my wife was watching
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the BBC and I told her not to do that. I didn't quite understand the effect of the propaganda,
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which had been pumped out by the British Broadcasting Corporation all over the world.
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But I said to my own family that there was, in my view, there was no medical justification for
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any of the measures in inverted commas being taken in a so-called pandemic. I was very doubtful
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then that there was a pandemic. Well, actually, I knew the whole thing was a fraud, but it was
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difficult to articulate. But the big thing that helped me was the fact that messages were coming
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out, you know, the kind of messaging that was being used in just about all the countries in the world
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1:47:16 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]ralia to the UK to Japan to America to Canada to France
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1:47:27 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction] have been, this was a global coup d'etat
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and they're trying to take my country away from me. So I was extremely exercised. I was very shocked
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and but I couldn't get anybody around me to understand what was going on. And so,
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or what I thought was going on. And so that was pretty difficult time. But I want to hold these
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1:47:52 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]e responsible for these terrible crimes committed during times of COVID-19, alleged COVID-19.
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And I will do everything I can till the day I die to bring these bastards to justice.
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1:48:07 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] want to hear from you, whether you have thought about the criminal route and
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and why is it impossible to bring criminal charges against the people responsible
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1:48:20 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] clearly lied, they've admitted they've lied.
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So the short answer to that is that they should be criminally charged because of all the fraud and
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injury. However, as a private citizen, I can't do that. Only the public prosecutors can bring a
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criminal case. Okay, Richard. So I'll ask a question in a different way. So why are so few Americans,
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in particular Americans, why do so few of them know how to report crime or a reported crime?
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You know, very few Americans seem to know how to report. We know in the UK, but will the police
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give you a crime number in the UK? That's the problem. But in the US people, generally Americans
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1:49:13 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] no idea how to report crime. And there was crime everywhere in 2020. So I just
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wondered whether so you are a lawyer, but you're also a doctor. So that gives you
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a lot of influence. So I wonder whether you've thought about where would you report crime in
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America? Or in California, let's say California to start with. Yeah, you won't find a public prosecutor
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1:49:43 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]en to the case, much less bring it. California is, as you know,
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1:49:49 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]ed with the woke ism virus. Yeah. But that doesn't mean to say that ordinary
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citizens like you and Alex and, and all the other people from California window, that they shouldn't
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1:50:01 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] on the civil side. It's kind of a feudal to try to
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get the public prosecutors to do anything we you know, the civil route is our remedy. The
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1:50:18 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction]ing thing though, that may occur in the United States, it all depends on the US election.
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Because, as you know, Robert Kennedy seems to have come to some kind of understanding
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with Donald Trump, that if Mr. Trump is elected president, that Mr. Kennedy will
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have the portfolio that includes chronic disease in children. And of course, if Mr. Trump is elected
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president, then he gets to change all of the US attorneys and all the jurisdictions in the country,
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1:50:59 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]ance, we are in the Eastern District of California
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with our case right now. But if Mr. Trump is elected president, the Eastern District of California
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will get a different US attorney. And right now, the Biden appointed US attorney, I'm sure will be
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defending the CDC. But if there is a Trump appointed US attorney, after January 20,
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they may take a different position on our lawsuit than the present US attorney. So
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stay tuned for important developments. Richard, my point is this, that I think this is my point
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1:51:47 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction], that lawyers, if they never talk about the criminality, because they're never going to
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1:51:51 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction] by that route, then they automatically, inadvertently possibly, do the enemies work for them.
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In watering down the narrative, our narrative. And you said yourself that you consider that there was
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criminality. But the point I'm trying to say is, if you don't fight on that battlefield, as well as
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the civil route may be, then the public don't realize what's happened. And that's very important.
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1:52:22 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction] to fight that fight. So all I'm doing is out in the public sphere,
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like so many others like you and so many others, I'm just one more voice. So with the hours in the
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1:52:38 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction], I do have a unique ability to go into a civil court and make an argument. And that's
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1:52:44 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]ive use of my time. Yes, okay. But you get my point. No lawyer in the world
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or very few lawyers are emphasizing the criminality.
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Yeah, for. Well, saying that they're not going to succeed. But that's not usually how
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1:53:05 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction], thank you so much. Yep. All right. We're now got Thank you,
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Stephen. We're now got Glenn. Hi, Dr. Fox, I was curious if you're familiar with
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Cheryl Atkinson, the journalist reporter. I don't believe so. So she she's been very
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well, Cheryl Atkinson. Yes. Yes. In fact, I used her material in my lawsuit.
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OK, so I just want to make sure you're aware of it and how well it's been covered by her
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in her new book, which I'm showing up here, titled Follow the Science. And how, you know,
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1:53:53 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction] to give a snapshot, you're probably familiar with it already that the reintroduction of the
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the the the
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why am I blanking out? The the the the what's the most common vaccine known from the scab on the arm?
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Smallpox. Smallpox. Yeah, the small the reintroduction of the smallpox vaccine
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right after 9-[privacy contact redaction]an that her colleague David Bloom died
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as a war correspondent for CBS and that it was hidden that her his death was from a outcome of
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the the smallpox vaccine and that there was an enormous amount of of damage done to the the
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troops that that got that vaccine. And in her case, she didn't get it because she was assigned
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with the Air Force and they weren't pushing it at the time where he was assigned with the army
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and he got it and then ended up dying from it and it being heavily covered up and that almost all of
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the interviews, you know, people get interviewed a lot when they come out with books. She's being
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blackmailed. I'm blackballed. I'm sorry. Blackballed from getting interviews from any of the mainstream
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media. Yeah, she's much to be commended for her diligence and courage. That's why
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1:55:27 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]aint, you know, uncovering some of the corruption that was involved
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in all this. Okay, thanks. Thank you, Glenn. Jim? Hey, thank you. In terms of who you're prosecuting,
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can you are you able to prosecute or identify the Department of Defense or the corruption of the
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1:55:55 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] and and the corruption of the prosecutors? I put in the link a document from
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1:56:04 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]em that identifies that we should possibly be holding the prosecutors
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accountable because they're not allowed to prosecute on the basis of political bias,
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1:56:18 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] to prosecute ethically. So that's in the chat. The other document is from Camilla
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1:56:27 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]imony from a lady in California who was jailed after Camilla as prosecutor or
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1:56:40 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ed because of truancy of her daughter who was a sickle cell
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anemia patient. So that's also in the chat and how she went to and how this mother went to jail
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because her daughter was missing class, not because she was trying to miss class,
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but because she was suffering from sickle cell anemia. And the reason Camilla Harris
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1:57:03 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] been prosecuting that is because the funding, state funding is directly tied to
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the attendance rates. So that's in the chat as well. But the question is, so the question is,
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how do we hold the, it's increasingly, we're increasingly figuring out that the Department
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1:57:21 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]y seems to have a lot to do with this. The intelligence
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1:57:25 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]y seems to be having a hand on the scale of the elections, the voting by mail, the
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the dominion heart and heart inter civics and ES and S voting. We may not have free and fair
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1:57:42 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ing, including Anthony Blinken, the secretary of state,
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1:57:48 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ed in a free method. And Anthony Blinken may have himself
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1:57:55 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ion by saying that a hundred Biden laptop was Russian disinformation
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and getting 50 former CIA agents to lie. How do we hold the intelligence agency responsible?
974
1:58:05 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction] responsible? They leaked Roe versus Wade early in 2024,
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in May of 2020, excuse me, May of 2022, and said, we don't know who leaked it. And that smacks of
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1:58:19 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction], because as we know, the Supreme Court justice Warren,
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the Warren Commission came up with a tumbling bullet theory that was propagated by our inspector
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when we know that JFK was shot from the front as to John Corsi's good, Jerome Corsi's good work.
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It looks like we're, we need to prosecute the intelligence agencies and the Supreme Court for
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1:58:46 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction] as well. How are we going to do that?
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1:58:53 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction], Richard, we can answer that question. Jim's great at asking questions like this.
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You know, but do a quick answer because it's a big question, but it's a provocative, just put the
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1:59:07 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]ion out there, but DOD is just a broad, then we go to Julie and then, and we've only got 25
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minutes, so keep it tight. Briefly, that's prosecuting the Department of Defense is a bit
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above my pay grade. So I think we're going to have to leave that to, hopefully,
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we'll get an administration. I doubt it will be the Harris administration, perhaps the Trump
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1:59:36 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]ration that wants to tackle that because it's going to take a lot of resources for that.
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1:59:44 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] and infiltration and
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and leaking Roe versus Wade as a political maneuver to make everything about abortion
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rather than safety of our country? So the Senate can possibly investigate the Supreme Court,
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2:00:10 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ion with an impeachment. So the power to investigate and prosecute the
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2:00:17 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]s exclusively with the Senate, I believe. And so it's really,
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it's a political question that we have to leave to the political process.
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Thank you, Jim. Thank you. Thank you, Jim. Julie?
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Yeah, I just have to laugh. I mean, our country is the most vax addicted,
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It's outrageous. I did put the VAERS report numbers into the chat for California children,
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five to 18, not related to COVID. There's [privacy contact redaction] all that into the chat.
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But yeah, the IEPs, you guys, so I would FOIA, if you haven't done so already, all those school
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2:01:02 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]s, Gilroy, I think you mentioned in a couple others here at Chico Unified, 10 years ago,
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our IEP rate, which are these are state sponsored disability plans was 3% of our 12,000 students.
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Today, it's 23% of our 12,[privacy contact redaction] and there's a trend line, it shows and it's like,
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you know, $[privacy contact redaction] for doctors, occupational therapists,
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nurses, we have teachers wearing Kevlar sleeves because they're getting bit. We have children in
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2:01:33 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]arting their periods. We have so much chaos because of these IEP plans
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related to these vaccines. But yeah, if there's a way you can get the trend line from those school
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2:01:42 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]s, it should, you know, add to the case if you haven't done so already. But again, thank you,
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thank you, thank you for your fight. Thank you. Thank you, Julie. All right, Richard, any further
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comments? And then we'll go to final questions for the last 20 minutes. So Alex, give you an
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2:01:58 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] finishes. I just want to briefly comment on the third component
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of the case, which is the free speech of doctors such as Dr. Halstead to be able to frankly
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talk to their patients about the benefits and harms of medical treatments, especially vaccines.
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We touched earlier on the idea of informed consent as a basic human right, but you can't
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2:02:31 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction]ors are gagged. And that's what we have here in California.
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Two, three years ago, the California legislature actually went so far as to pass a doctor
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2:02:49 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]er that allowed the medical board to revoke the medical licenses of any doctors who
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were found guilty of disseminating misinformation about COVID, whatever that might be. They had no
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actual definition of it. And to me, it was not something that was intended so much to revoke
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medical licenses as it was to intimidate and coerce doctors to remain silent. That's why they didn't
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bother to define misinformation. I think that was a feature and not a bug. The idea of you don't
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define it, then doctors will never know for sure whether they've crossed the line or not. So they
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don't want to go anywhere near the line in order to stay on the safe side of it.
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Fortunately, our friends over at Children's Health Defense, Robert Kennedy's group, got a
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California judge to join that. And so those of us who were providing COVID treatment
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could continue to do so. In one encouraging development, there was a related case that
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2:04:20 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]atute that got up to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals and was argued
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2:04:30 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]cuit panel. And the state of California was knocked
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about quite a bit by that panel for all the obvious reasons. And so I think it became obvious to the
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state of California that their COVID gag order against doctors was going to be struck down
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as a violation of free speech rights under the First Amendment. And so two weeks after that
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argument in that case, but before the decision was announced, the state quickly repealed the law
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so that they could what we call moot the case. They did not want the Ninth Circuit to actually
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2:05:21 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]riking that law down, so they quickly repealed it.
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2:05:27 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]s, the Ninth Circuit, the US Supreme Court have been pretty
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2:05:32 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]ing physician's speech. Here in Dr. Halstead's case, he's a pediatrician here in
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Monterey. He was advising the parents of his patients not to get these childhood vaccines,
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2:05:51 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] to delay those until the child was older. And in one of those cases, the child's
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2:06:02 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ranged such that the father was opposed to the vaccines and the mother wanted the
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vaccines. So it became a divorce law kind of issue for the parents to fight about.
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2:06:19 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]aint with the family court about the father. Dr.
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2:06:28 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] to argue the father's side of the case, whereupon it appears the mother then
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2:06:37 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] of California. And the upshot of it was that
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2:06:45 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ead had his license revoked. We argue in our lawsuit that his license was revoked because he
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2:06:56 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]ate mandated vaccines. The Medical Board
1045
2:07:06 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] other reasons why they revoked his license, but we believe those were
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2:07:11 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] Amendment case. It's a doctor to speech First Amendment case.
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And it's very important because when parents of children go into the doctor to discuss the idea of
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should I get these vaccines for my child, they have to have some faith that the doctor is going to
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2:07:39 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]or feels like if they deal with, if they speak honestly
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with the family that they're in danger of losing their license, then they can't do that. The doctor
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2:07:51 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]y becomes a parrot, parroting the doctrine put out by the state and by the federal CDC.
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2:08:00 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction], we argue that you can't make doctors simply the mouthpiece of the state. If the state
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wants to say, tell parents what its position is, they can put it on a piece of paper and
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require you to hand it to them, but they can't force doctors to become the mouthpieces and parrots
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2:08:23 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ate is hiding behind the doctor and the parent thinks that they're
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2:08:28 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]or's point of view when all they're hearing is what the state has forced the doctor
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2:08:34 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction] that that's why Dr. Halston's license was revoked,
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was because he refused to become the mouthpiece and the parent and the parrot of the state,
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then we're hoping we can get his medical license reinstated. And in the process,
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2:09:09 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]ion if they speak honestly. I think right now all the
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pediatricians in California are intimidated that they cannot say anything that doesn't conform to
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the party line because they will suffer the same fate that Dr. Halston suffered. And indeed,
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2:09:30 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction] four or five, maybe six other pediatricians and family practice doctors in
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California who've lost their licenses for the same reason. So patients cannot enjoy the right
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to informed consent if they don't have a doctor who is protected, has their speech protected
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2:09:54 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]on harmed, but all of the parents in California
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were harmed, the parents who went to him, but also the parents who go to all other doctors,
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2:10:07 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] been intimidated by the action in Dr. Halston's case. So he has been
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2:10:16 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] enough to speak out, become a party in this case, and he's really doing this not just for his
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own license, but really for the welfare of all the other doctors and children and parents in California
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2:10:31 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] an unfettered consent process. So that's why this is important. They can't get away with
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2:10:38 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]ors will be brave enough to speak out and tell both sides of the story.
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So that's the third part of the vaccine case. Thank you, Richard. Now, before we go to Ron and
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2:10:52 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]eve and Alex, would you like to add anything or the thoughts, you know,
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2:10:57 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]e of minutes to share your thoughts and thinking and any comments you have?
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Sure. I'm just really excited about this lawsuit that Dr. Fox has filed and that we've now joined
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as Free Now Foundation, because it's really a three-in-one lawsuit. You know, we're in the first,
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2:11:17 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] to summarize, we're asking the state and the CDC to prove that the vaccines stop transmission,
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and they've never done the studies, as you just heard Dr. Fox say. They've never done vaccinated
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2:11:27 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]udies, so they can't even calculate a relative risk or an absolute risk
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2:11:33 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] can't do it because they don't have the studies. And then the IEP case
1083
2:11:39 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]ing because there are 800,000 students in California, and that's a number I
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2:11:44 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]ly, who have an individualized education plan, and most of them are being lied to
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by their schools when we fought really hard, and I think it was 2019, to make sure there was a
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carve-out for IEP students. And I think they reluctantly added that carve-out to the bill,
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which became law because the parents who have IEP students, the majority of them know what caused
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their kids' disability, and I think they wanted to grant us that carve-out to silence some of the
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2:12:17 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] parent voices who would be shouting bloody murder if their kids were forced to get
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more vaccines after they were already vaccine injured, so I think that was to mollify those
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parents. But I mean, it is a law. It's a law in California now, and it's also a federal law
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that kids in special education are not required to get those vaccines to attend school. And then
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finally, I'm really excited about Dr. Halstead's case. Free Now Foundation was involved
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2:12:47 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] Gag Order bill or Dr. Gag Order law. It was called AB 2098
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when it was a bill, and it was interesting. I just wrote in the chat that Governor Newsom was so
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scared of our cases winning, which would have meant that there was no, that free speech applied
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2:13:10 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]ors in the office with their patients, and he didn't want that. So instead
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of letting our cases go further to the point where there would be a judgment affirming that
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2:13:19 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] free speech, he did a runaround and he introduced a new bill in California that
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undid what AB 2098 did, and so it basically overturned the Dr. Gag Order law through a bill
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rather than waiting for the cases to come to a conclusion. So I think it's going to be really
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2:13:38 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] Halstead's case because it really is another case along those
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lines, and I think it's going to make Governor Newsom really nervous. Dr. Fox's cases here are
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so well crafted, and it's just exciting. I mean, the most exciting thing about his complaint is that
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2:13:56 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction] had two major decisions in federal courts that make vaccine cases totally different now.
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I mean, we had the Ninth Circuit Court in Leslie Minuchian's case against LAUSD
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rule that you can't apply that 1905 Jacobson case about smallpox to the COVID vaccine because nobody
1108
2:14:18 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]opped transmission, and that is hugely significant for why we can
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bring the science into these cases right now. And then we also have the SCOTUS decision around
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Chevron. It was called Chevron deference, and because they overturned Chevron deference, it
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means that our three-letter agencies can get it wrong. So we've lost a lot of these cases because
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of appeals to authority of the FDA and the CDC, for example, and now that is greatly, greatly
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weakened by the overturning of the Chevron deference. So that's why we're on a totally new
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playing field right now, and it's super exciting that Dr. Fox was on top of those changes, and he
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2:14:58 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] and got it filed so quickly. I mean, he turned down a lot
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of social engagements and other things to get this thing done. Well said, Alex. Beautifully said.
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Thank you. All right, Ron, your last question, and then we'll go to Stephen, and we'll finish
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in the next 10 minutes. Well, hang on. I need a little bit more. Okay, go ahead. Can you hear me?
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Yes, we can, Ron. Okay, yeah. My mouse is not working on my desktop, so I'm improvising here.
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2:15:31 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]ion is, can this lawsuit be used as a template for COVID-19?
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2:15:42 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] a little bit. I think some of the constitutional arguments,
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you know, if we get Jacobson overturned, I think it's a whole new ballgame for the COVID shots
1123
2:16:00 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction]itutional arguments, do you have the right to refuse vaccines,
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you know, state-mandated vaccines? So I think it's germane in that respect.
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Certainly, students going to school, they may have more protection.
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Certainly, if they're going to public schools, you know, public universities.
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So I think there is some potential there.
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Ron, where's he gone? Ron, was that it? Was that your only question?
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Yes, thank you.
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Excellent. All right, Stephen.
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So, Richard, I'm a little bit troubled because both you and I are doctors. And I think we need to be
1132
2:17:08 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]ors in the world completely fail their patients. And I think that's the
1133
2:17:16 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]etely failed their patients. The practice of medicine throughout the world was wrong. It was,
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2:17:24 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]upid. They were really stupid. And now they've destroyed
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2:17:31 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]e you were talking about, the doctors I think you were talking about,
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they were afraid to cross the line. Which line? It did cross the line. They crossed the line.
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They let down their patients. And that's unforgivable. A doctor should not be a doctor
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if he's thinking about his pocket rather than his patients. But that's what we saw everywhere.
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2:17:53 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]ors that they allowed their autonomy to be taken away from them
1140
2:17:59 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction] parroted protocols put down by hospitals? It's absolutely outrageous what has happened.
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And I don't, as a medical doctor in the UK, I concede that there are not many doctors in the,
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I know about [privacy contact redaction] say, well, I had to put food on the
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table or whatever. No, it's not good enough. And we need, look, for the future, in my opinion,
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pandemics are not possible. We need to get to the truth. We're skating around the truth here.
1145
2:18:36 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]ruct. Pandemics were seen as the best Trojan horse
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totalitarianism. And that's what we saw in 2020. So they've been gearing up for this. So the whole
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thing about vaccinations and virology and evidence-based medicine was all about preparing
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the world for what happened in 2020 and the decline in the influence of immunologists.
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2:19:05 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]s do? Well, they knew about the brilliant human immune system and indeed
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other animals' immune systems. And what did the virologists, well, they did the work of the
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2:19:20 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]s, if you like. So they allowed human beings, mere human beings, who can't even
1152
2:19:26 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]and the universe that they're in, to think that, oh, well, actually, we can do better than
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God did or whomever with the brilliant immune systems that we all have. And in America,
1154
2:19:39 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]en by the age of five. It's just crazy. And we need to be honest.
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2:19:49 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] And to say that doctors were afraid of crossing the line,
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they did cross the line. For me, they crossed the line. And they were absolutely useless in
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the so-called pandemic, which wasn't a pandemic. And indeed, in my opinion, there was no diagnosis
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of COVID-19, which was safe. Why? Well, we know about the fraudulent PCR test. Kerry Mullis told
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us all about that. But he was dead in August 2019. Need to look into that. And very importantly,
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there wasn't a single symptom of COVID-19 or purported COVID-19, which was pathognomic for
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COVID-19. All the symptoms could have been due to pneumonia, cold, flu, or a combination of all
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2:20:39 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction] am very frustrated because I think that lawyers do tend
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to think about which cases are possible and end up diluting the truth. I'm not saying that's the case
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with you, Richard. I can see that you're a very good human being. You're trying your best
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within the confines that you think your talents. But all I'm saying is we have a responsibility
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now to try to preserve the truth of what happened and to keep reminding people of what happened
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2:21:18 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]s to account who deliberately planned it, clearly. Anyway,
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that's what I think. Do you have any comments or not?
1169
2:21:30 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]e of brief comments. So what you've identified is what seems to me to be the
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2:21:41 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]ion of medicine from a profession into a trade, almost an assembly line kind of
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operation where you take protocols that are handed down from corrupt bureaucrats like Tony Fauci
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2:21:57 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction] pass out those remedies on a daily basis without much further thought about it.
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Without much further thought about it. You might as well be making widgets in a factory somewhere.
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So can we take back our profession? Well, the profession has been greatly undermined by the
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political process, by the so-called socialization of medicine. When the government becomes the
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2:22:28 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction]er, then expect to be used for political purposes. And that's what they've done to medicine
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and healthcare. So in the end, the patients are going to get what they have voted for.
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If they want assembly line medicine where the average American over, I don't know,
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65, 70 years of age is on something like 20 to 25 different prescription medicines,
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that's what people have voted for. So it has definitely corrupted the medical profession,
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but the solution, I'm afraid, is beyond the medical profession. It really resides with the public
1182
2:23:15 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]ic kind of healthcare system, a socialistic kind of government
1183
2:23:23 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]s all the money and dispenses it for its own purposes.
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So that's the larger issue that we're dealing with. And I'm pessimistic that we can restore medicine
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as a profession until we fix the socialism that undercurrent that we have
1186
2:23:56 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]itutions at the moment. I love always to keep in mind Lord Acton's famous
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2:24:05 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]um from I think it's 1887 that all power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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So when we give all power in the medical field to Tony Fauci and people like that,
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well, you're going to get a corrupted medical product. So until we restore principles of
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autonomy to medicine, to transparency, to accountability, this is what we're going to
1191
2:24:37 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]em. So that's my diagnosis. Yeah, I understand. Yeah. So just one
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more thing which may be useful for your cases. I don't know whether you're aware of this, but in my
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view, there was no possibility of informed consent from merely the fact that no doctor in the world
1194
2:24:56 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]ill don't know actually as far as I can see. And the reasons for
1195
2:25:04 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]ex. But the point about that is that the Nuremberg Code and seven doctors were
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hanged on the 2nd of June 1948 in Germany for human medical experimentation. And the Nuremberg Code
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includes in it the requirement for informed consent and amongst [privacy contact redaction]ors I've
1198
2:25:32 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]n't even read the Nuremberg Code. They barely know what it is. They don't know about
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the Nuremberg, the doctor's trial in Nuremberg. So there was a special trial for the doctors.
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2:25:43 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] no idea about this. So and it seems to me that doctors shouldn't be doctors if they don't
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know what informed consent is and they don't know about the Nuremberg trials and the doctor's trial
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in particular. We were taught about it when I was at medical school and I knew about medical
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ethics, but then I learned that the whole of my year don't share my views. So what were they doing
1204
2:26:10 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction]ures? I remembered what was said, so why don't they? And I know that because
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there's a round robin every Christmas and so I've disturbed the peace in this round robin
1206
2:26:25 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction]mas since 2020 and challenged them all. So I ended up saying last year,
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what's wrong with you all? You sat in the same lectures as I, but none of you want to engage with
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me even privately. These are friends of mine from when I was at medical school. They're ashamed.
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They're broken because they haven't done the right thing. They know it. They're terrified of me.
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It took me a long time to realize they were terrified of me, are terrified of me. Shame on
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2:26:56 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction] don't know how these people can be happy when they know that they did the wrong thing
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2:27:03 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction]ors. I really don't. And they talk about their grandchildren and traveling around the world
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2:27:10 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction] think, wow, you must be really stupid to be happy when you've done the
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wrong thing. Thank you so much, Richard. Thanks. Thanks, Stephen. Hang on. Richard, Alex got a hand
1215
2:27:25 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction] quickly before we finish. Yeah, I just want to say that Stephen obviously is bringing up
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very deep and good points. And what I've said since we got locked down is we were requiring
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2:27:37 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction]ors to prioritize public health over the patient in front of them. And that's a fundamental
1218
2:27:42 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction]or's duty is to the individual sitting in front of them. That's
1219
2:27:47 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction] Yeah. And to force them to prioritize public health over
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their own patient's health is cruel and it's criminal. And I couldn't agree more. Absolutely.
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Thank you so much. It was a tyranny. It was intended to be a tyranny and it was a tyranny.
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Psychologically tortured huge numbers of people around the world, including in the United Kingdom
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2:28:12 --> 2:28:[privacy contact redaction]ates. It's just so sad what has happened, I think. All right, let's go.
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Thank you, Richard. Great to have you. Thank you, Alex. Thank you, Shasta. Thank you, Ron,
1225
2:28:24 --> 2:28:[privacy contact redaction]ayed in all of this. Thanks, Stephen. Tom Rodman's got the video
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telegram meeting. The link is in there if you have the time. And thank you for the contributions to
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the chat. Thank you for the insights and we'll be with you again on Sunday. Richard, keep up the
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good work. Fight the fight. And Julie and Albert are there for you. Thank you, Richard, for being
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so conscientious in telling us about what you know. Thank you. It's a pleasure. Thanks, everybody.
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Bye. Bye, John. Thank you so much.
