exorbitant privilege as the gold called it in 1967, I think, of the reserve currency,
which has been squandered by the USA. I think these are known facts. I think these are facts
that certain things are moving. Now, the question is how will America react to it? That's an
opinion, or rather the various ways is opinion. But I think there's little doubt that we are
heading away from the unipolar world and the hegemony of the American
might. I disagree with Glenn on that. There are facts that are indisputable.
Well, there's a whole definition of what hegemony means in here. I'm simply pointing out-
Well, let's not split hairs. We can split hairs all day.
Hold on. Hold on. I don't think we all know what it is. But my point in it is,
in this particular case, in a situation we're in, where there is no other free willed country in the
world, one better hope that some of the grounding points that the USA has had over the last 50 year
return, at least to stabilize us, away from the massive globalization that's occurred,
and where I would claim that's been the plan all along by the Satanists and their minions.
That needs to be reversed first to stabilize. And then, yes, I'm completely open to there being
fair and balanced influences throughout the world, where each nation makes its decisions on its own
around how it wants to proceed, as long as we have to, at this point, take down the globalists.
Yeah, but you see, that's an example there of an opinion of American exceptionalism,
that somehow or other America is exceptional. I would say that there's many, many people that
argue that the Chinese system suits huge proportions of the Chinese people. The Russian system,
with it now it's returned to sort of Christian or the Russian Orthodox Church, suits the Russian
people. I'd say they're very, very happy. So the important thing is, are the people content and
happy within their state? And the idea that the American system is superior.
Jerry, it's more complicated than that. Jerry's right. Glenn's right. So in my opinion,
the Western Europe in particular, but the UK also has just lost itself. And the only common sense
you can see in the world at the moment for the people brought up in the West is from Trump's
America. Well, not Trump's America, but Trump himself. So he's got a lot of faults, in my opinion,
but he shows the way and we need to rebalance. I think we've been taken away from our countries,
from ourselves as human beings by these idiots in Europe. And essentially what we've got in Europe
is not only a government, but a government that governs the government. And no wonder we've lost
our way. That's globalism. All right, let's get this show on the road. We've got our guest here,
David. Cheryl Ambers, how lovely to see you in red. I love it. I love it. I love it.
Hello, sir. I'm mute. There you are. How are you? Excellent. Excellent. Thank you for
coming in. So let's get this show on the road. Thank you for coming in. So Jerry, if we're
a bit away from America, then we've completely lost our way in the process. I'm not saying that
America is a big showcase, but there is a little bit of hope now, because I think that what happens
in America happens in the rest of the world or in the Western world anyway. But anyway.
All right. And let's hope these two alleged astronauts with the news coming out this morning,
that some NASA guy says we faked everything. So SpaceX allegedly, the two guys are coming down
from the International Space Station, but we shall see. But welcome to today's discussion
of medical doctors for COVID ethics, international doctors for COVID ethics.
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and communications. So thank you, David, for being here and thank you, Stephen, for us to
gain for creating this group and for organising David to speak to us today, albeit a little bit
at the last moment, but here we are. This is the tradition of this group. We flow with,
we move with the waves. David, welcome. Thank you. Yes, pleasure to be here. Timing's actually
very good. We just finished a few projects on psychological operations and warfare and a few
other things. And what I want to do tonight, I didn't have the time to get the slides together
as perfectly as I wanted to, but the information is still going to be there. So there's going to
be a little bit more text than I normally like, but I want to get three really key points across
tonight. And once you understand these, basically, I mean, we all know we're being played. That's
very clear. But when we understand how we're being played, which buttons are being pressed,
then we can actually start to get a very different response than the people that we're talking to.
So I'm ready to go. So let me just. Okay, share your screen. You should be able to
share it. Okay. Awesome. If you give me a nod, Charles, that you can see my. All good. Can see
well. Awesome. So today, I really wanted to talk about how the pandemic was sold. Because as you,
many of you know, 2009, they tried a pandemic and it failed miserably. And of course, a lot of
dangerous people learn from their mistakes and don't tend to make the same mistakes as many times.
So obviously, this is an experience that we're all having continuously. There's an elephant in the
room. It's so obvious it's standing there, but people cannot see it. So this was a very interesting
study just to lead up to how people can have their opinions changed without their knowledge
and without their consent. In April, sorry, in December, I think it was 19, they ran a large
scale study survey asking people whether they would take the vaccine. And then they followed
up in two, two times. And of the people that said no, and at beginning, it was the majority of people,
the propaganda was able to flip 86% of the people from not taking the vaccine to taking the vaccine.
And that's quite an astonishing number. And it's the propaganda that did that. And what we're going
to look at today is a few elements of our mind that are really key to understand how they achieve
that. So this is a slide I like to show people to really explain some of the depths of what's going
on. You've got Jane blogs on the left, Joe blogs on the right. Jane understands the manipulation,
she sees the propaganda, and she knows that we're being lied to. Joe, on the other hand, her brother
is a maths professor and is so entrenched in the system that he pretty much just bought everything.
Now, on the surface, these represent magnifying glasses, which are the filters by which people
see information. So we're so educated from a scientific standpoint, logically,
that we think that facts exist in a vortex, that they are their own volition and truth is like this.
And once that occurs, in our mind, it's far different. So there is many a study where if
you change a headline or fact from one magazine to the next, the believability of that fact
changes significantly just because of where that fact occurs. So all the context actually has more
effect and influence on whether someone believes something than the fact itself.
Now, the magnifying glass represents a person's perspective on looking at that fact. So it becomes
very obvious when we look into Joe's soapbox that Joe believes the media reports the truth,
he thinks government serves him, he believes that science is this wonderful unicorn,
he believes if someone says it's safe, it must be, he trusts that there's oversight,
checks and balances, and he believes, and this is a really powerful one, that there's a
consensus that everyone agrees and anyone that doesn't is just a tin hat wearing mad person.
Jane, on the other hand, she knows censorship is rife, she knows there's conflicts of interest,
she knows the NGOs have got their fingers in all the pies, she knows that media is effectively now,
or certainly the big media, is just a corporation and corporations really will do anything to make
money. She distrusts government, she's probably read a history book, and she knows that science,
just like any other industry, can be influenced by many biases and particularly incentives.
So now it becomes very obvious, and this is something that I've shown many times in the past,
but really just to set the frame, that we look at everything from our own personal perspective,
but when we're talking to people, we often don't take that into consideration, and it's known as
the curse of knowledge, whereas when we talk about something, we have privy to all the information
in our mind, but the other person doesn't. So if we have a completely different foundation for that
fact, it's going to have a completely different meaning to these two people. So that's something
we've discussed in the past, and what we're going to go on to now is three really key elements,
and then look at how that relates into behaviour. So the first one is, what are classical and
operant conditioning? Because effectively, these are the two main ways that everyone is conditioned
to believe lies. Now when you understand how these function, not only are they conditioned for you
to believe lies or people to believe lies, but these are the two ways that really affects people's
behaviour. So many, many people don't behave in the way that they would want to if they were not
conditioned to do that. What is a reticular activating system? Now we've really dived in
deep to this. Now this is the key. The reticular activating system is the gatekeeper. It is the
filtering sensory information within the brain, and it focuses attention. It regulates consciousness
effectively. So if the person has a faulty belief in that RAS system, it doesn't matter whether you
show them 10,000 facts that disagree with that. It will not change anything. Once the RAS changes,
everything will change. And what is IOED? So IOD effectively is the illusion of explanatory depth,
and it's the effect that you've all come across a thousand times when you're talking to someone
that believes the nonsense that they've been told, and they are under an illusion that they
can explain what they're talking about. And the truth is that they have been given conclusions,
and those conclusions have been placed into their RAS system, conditioned into their RAS system,
and that person thinks that they understand that concept. But effectively, their mind is a house of
cards. And as you notice, when you push against that house of cards, it gets stronger. But once
you understand where the weak points is in that system, then you can actually really destabilize
it. And that's what we're going to talk about tonight is what are some of the elements. Really,
we're going to talk about what are these three things. And when you understand these three things,
you're going to be much better equipped that when you talk to someone that you're not actually going
to strengthen their delusion. Because inadvertently, what a lot of people are doing in the truth
movement without realizing it, is they're actually strengthening the other person's
delusion by the questions that they're asking. And it's just a factor that because the people
pushing the propaganda and the narratives understand us so deeply that they can set that up,
and they can also create delusions very clearly. But when we understand it, we can actually start
to break that delusion. And that's the key thing. So we're going to look at conditioning.
Okay, now, there's really two types of conditioning. Many of you would have heard of
Pavlov's dogs that probably rings a bell. And that was basically associating two things together.
Okay, so children when they eat the ice cream van, then they fancy an ice cream,
they probably salivate. That's classical conditioning. And it's very, very simple.
It's just the linking of two things together. So for those of you in the UK, if I said have a break,
you would probably respond with have a KitKat. Now that's the risk. And that's pretty much
happens. I gave a live talk a few weeks ago, and I said those words and the whole audience in unison
answered have a KitKat. That's the power conditioning, linking two things together.
And that's pretty much most of advertising is to link those two things together and elicit a
strong emotion. Now, operating conditioning is subtly different. And that's basically
associated voluntary behavior and a consequence basically is saying, well, if I do this, that's
going to happen. But if I do that, that's going to happen. And then basing your decision on that.
But again, most of that will happen unconsciously. So that's first have a look at classical
conditioning just briefly to see how it was used in the pandemic, pretty much how the pandemic was
sold. The pandemic, obviously, you know, that's a very loose word, because a lot of us here
wouldn't call it that. But there's a very sad story about where scientists were first studying
this. And what they did was that there's only two natural fears we're born with, and one of them is
loud noises. So what they did was they paired a loud noise with a rat. And when they did that,
only a few times, then little Albert developed a phobia of the rat. So basically, the fear response
from loud noises was paired to the rat. And it got to the point where he even feared Santa Claus,
because he generalized that the beard was similar to the fluffy animal. Now, the fears and emotions
can be installed so quickly, it is unbelievable. And the media has got that down to an art form.
So when you think about the fear response to the word corona, which is one of the when you,
you know, I ran a query to look at the ways that classical and operatic condition was used during
the pandemic. This was one of the things fear response to the word corona, which obviously,
we all saw or remember the people dropping dead in the street, which is almost definitely
with staged. But that's to really create an emotional, automatic reaction to this.
There was all of these things like COVID toe. Now, it's the study show that when you use disgusting
images, the person is affected very emotionally, and it drove uptake of the vaccine significantly.
So none of this was by accident, in my opinion, they were very clear and understanding on what
drives the average human being. So then there was lots of numbers, large numbers about everything.
And this was salience, it had to affect everyone. So then Joe is watching this. And he's literally
getting a lot of fear. So there was cases jump and whatever it was, none of it made any logical
sense, but it didn't need to. Because conditioning works on an unconscious level. And we are under
this, you know, the way that we're educated, we think that we have full conscious control of
ourselves. And anyone that's ever tried to lose weight or drink less or eat healthier,
knows that that's not the case. Okay. If your unconscious mind has a craving for something,
and you can't control it, then we're not in full conscious control. So the public is having their
unconscious mind hijacked. And the conscious mind is really going along for the ride.
The next bit of rank conditioning, this is where it gets even more devious, is that this was really
studied by Skinner. And it's effectively rewards and punishment. So it's carrots and sticks. So the
rat in a box learned that when it pressed a certain button, it would get some food, and then it
literally would influence its behavior. So it would press the button to get food. And they had
ones where it would be electrocuted. So it would literally move towards pleasure and away from pain.
Now, I won't go into that today. But that effectively is the most important thing to
understand about human behavior, that people always move towards pleasure and away from pain.
Now, it's not actual pleasure and pain. It's perceived pleasure and pain. So if we're
conditioned at school to associate pleasure to complying and pain to not complying, then that's
what people are going to feel compelled to do. And that's why for a lot of people standing up
would create a lot of stress because it went against their conditioning.
Now, if we look at what Joe incurred during the pandemic, there was a bunch of adding carrots,
which was jabs for kebabs and all these nonsense policies. And then of course, they removed the
carrot, which is if you don't get the vaccine, then you're not going to be in shops, bars,
shopping, some places you couldn't even get the things you needed to survive.
So this next table, and I'm putting it up just so you can see it, but this is in an article on our
website, is just a brief overview of how the carrot and sticks was used. So pretty much
every policy fell into one of the four categories. And if you look through the document Mindspace,
and then combine it with this, you'll get a real deep insight into how people felt compelled to do
what they did. Now, the amount of people that said to me, I just felt so much pressure, I had to do
it. That's effectively applying so much emotional pressure via these carrot and sticks that the
person just gives in. And that's what an animal will do, particularly horses that in fact,
what they do is that they apply pressure to the horse, and then they release it when the horse does
as it's, you know, wanted to do. And that becomes one of those powerful. So this removing stick down
at the bottom left, that's very powerful. And that's why a lot of people couldn't take the
pressure anymore. And then you would have seen it's the only way out. That was a very much a
hypnotic command, which is you're not going to get your life back unless you do as you're told. So
I'm pretty much going to remove this boot from your throat when you do as I asked you to do.
So hopefully that summarizes the conditioning. And there's a lot more we can go into there,
but it's really to understand that conditioning is really drives so much of our behavior.
And if you are not conditioned yourself, then you've been conditioned by someone else.
So if somebody is unable to do the things that they want to do, that is a sign that they've
been conditioned to not associate pleasure with it. Now, there's a lot of information here that
when they as well as the teaching people to comply, people are also taught to live in
sort of poverty and not strive for things and then allow billionaires to have all the money.
All of these things are really conditioned into us at our schooling. Now, there's this thing
that I'm going to touch on, which is called NTT. And that is narrative transformation,
transportation theory. Now, that is the art and science of conditioning. That is how they know
that within a movie and TV, which is pretty much how most people are getting their information now,
is how they can implant an idea and condition that idea into someone's mind.
And an example of this, which I've touched on before, is designated driver. So what happened was
the Harvard Alcohol Project got together with ABC Studios and they wrote this into the storylines
into Dallas, Cheers, LA Law and all of these. So then it entered the collective consciousness.
Now, they've been doing that for decades from what I can see with terms like vaccination, deniers
and conspiracy theorists, incidentally, appears many, many, many times in TV shows.
And whenever there is a conspiracy theorist, he's generally always a person with low IQ,
generally unhealthy, usually walks with a stick, etc. So what they're doing is they're
conditioning unconsciously the public to associate a conspiracy theorist to a low IQ person. And
that's why people automatically associate, oh, you've got to be an idiot if you're a conspiracy
theorist. And that's not an accident. That has been done on purpose. And the people, when they
say the term conspiracy theorists, they do not realize that they've had their mind programmed
to associate these things. The power of conditioning is really incredible. I mean,
it's how we learn. So it's not necessarily a negative thing. It's just when you've got
a group of psychopaths using it to condition the public, that's when it becomes problematic.
Now, if you look at any remake of any old shows, such as Quantum Leap, which I used to love in the
80s, the new one generally has, I mean, you pick out any narrative that's going on now,
and there will be it is absolutely flooded with it. For instance, the person who's the software
engineer in it is a man that dresses as a woman that dates a woman that like I mean, it's so you
don't know where he's coming or going. But it's normalizing all these things. Now, so hopefully
that really gives you a taste of how people are just being unconsciously programmed to associate
conspiracy theorists to a certain thing. For instance, when you take 5G, for instance,
the amount of news articles and TV that go 5G conspiracy theorists, 5G conspiracy theorists,
5G conspiracy theorists, and the minute you talk to someone about 5G, they're going to parrot
conspiracy theorists, just like, you know, the KitKat example, but they won't know why they've
done that. It's just this constant unconscious reinforcement. And they say it. And if you ask
them politely, what did I say that was conspiracy, you will get a blank look most of the time,
because they actually don't know why they said what they said. So on to number two,
the reticulant activating system. Now this, I mean, the more and more we understand this,
this is really one of the most important things to understand. So these magnifying glasses,
this is the RAS. The RAS is the gatekeeper. The RAS is the security man at the front door.
If you say something to someone, which the RAS has got on his no entry list, that information will
not get into the person's mind. But the minute that RAS changes, all of the information around
that subject will. Now, you know, there's very common examples of this, that when you buy
a different car from previous ones you've driven, you suddenly notice that car much more often than
you did previously. That's because that car now is in your awareness. Now I'm pretty sure that when
you think about when Steve Kirsch talks about how he became aware, the story that he told was in
Geneva was a few people that he knew, all on the same day, he found out that they had adverse
reactions. So his RAS is now hypervigilant to look for that. And then, you know, he saw it everywhere.
And that's the thing, if those two things would have happened 30 days apart, they wouldn't have
made it to the RAS. But when they happen on the same day, when lightning strikes on the same day,
the RAS kind of takes notice. Now what the RAS notices is things that are new and novel,
which in my opinion is why they constantly use that term a novel virus. Okay, that's
alerting the RAS system. So pretty much from what I could tell, all of the propaganda was planned to
hit the RAS, to hit the condition, etc. The terms were very, very specific, just like the new normal.
It's all new, novel, surprise, therefore the RAS will then take notice of it. Now this is a bit
where I didn't have enough time to get the sort of pictures together, so I'm just going to have to
put a bit of text on the screen. But when you realize how important it is, it's so key. Now
Richard Shudden wrote a book called The Choice Factory, which is a really good book. The guy is
totally on board with all pro narratives. So, you know, a lot of the examples he gives are not,
in my opinion, particularly good. But they did run a study in 2015 on the UK election,
and they asked about a policy to raise VAT by 1% to fund 10,000 extra nurses. I mean,
a completely fabricated study. But what they found was, and what they were testing was,
how Labour supporters would support the policy more if it came from their own party, and conversely
would the Conservatives do the same. But as it turns out, it was like 500% more that they would
support it when it came from their own party. So what you find is that most people are making
their political decisions by the colour of the tie. And this is why if you look in the US,
you know, whatever side of the political debate people are, they never see the same event the
same way. And they see it through the coloured glasses of the particular party. Now obviously,
at the moment, we've got quite a strange political landscape, because, you know, part of the
political divide has gone completely mad, in my opinion. But particularly in the UK, it really,
in my opinion, doesn't really matter who you vote for, because the same parties are basically have
the same puppet masters. But the key thing is that all of the information this person was witnessing
was really much governed by the reticulate activating system. Now, how did it affect that
study? So basically, the RAS filters out all information that doesn't match what it believes
to be true. It also matches out unimportant information, which is why it explains the
cocktail party effect, which is you're at a party, there's maybe six or seven conversations going on
around you. But the minute someone mentions your name, you notice. Why do you notice? Because it's
important because it's flagged in the RAS system to you. But if you notice your name being mentioned
in one of those six conversations, what does that assume? That assumes that part of your brain must
have been listening to all of those conversations. And it was only at the point where the RAS system
said, look, consciousness, you need to know this is because someone's mentioned your name. So
what the narrative and the propaganda does is it conditions the RAS to see what it wants them to see.
And they won't see anything other. So it really is you see what you believe, you don't believe what
you see. And the RAS is the instrument that makes that happen. So once these beliefs in there, it
ends up in a reinforcement lock, which is, you know, my party equals good, two legs are bad,
four legs are good. It's effectively the gatekeeper, the filter system, an emotional
priming as well, that integrates with the limbic system. And this is why the minute you mention
any of the trigger words, and we are in a massive trigger society at the moment, as Charles mentioned,
it literally triggers that person into a guerrilla state. They go completely emotional because in the
RAS, it's effectively saying this person is a threat to me. And then they respond emotionally.
And that's why it's so key, because in fact, what the RAS is doing is it's monitoring threats. And
if there's a threat, then it shuts down the rational mind and it goes into the emotional mind.
And the reason for that is the fight or flight. But it's been it's been conditioned to trigger
whenever we might, you know, we say something that threatens the narrative or any one of them.
So what are the practical implications? So this was literally the recommendations from Richard,
which I wouldn't always agree with. But basically, what it leads to is that when that person you're
talking to labels you as a conspiracy theorist on anti facts or any of those things, they are
going to ignore everything you say. So it's really important to break that caricature.
And that's fairly straightforward to do, but you just got to ask the right questions in the right
order, which is just a little bit outside of tonight. But I do we are writing some articles on this.
And then what Shodham suggests is targeting auditors when distracted or using subtle
emotion driven cues. Now, I wouldn't necessarily say that's a good thing. But what I would do is
I'd use stories and metaphors because that makes it into the past the RAS and into the unconscious
mind. But what Shodham two other things that he recommended, which are quite really poor ethics,
in my opinion, was one, he said, if you're worried about trust in your product, use the radio,
because when people listen to the radio, they're generally distracted. And two, he recommends that
if you have an unsafe drug, then name it a specific way. And he gives the reasons for that. So
obviously, if you've got marketing people, they're quite happy to put ethics to one side.
And then the people pushing the narrative get that because Shodham's an absolute genius in this in
this information. Then of course, once you've got a person with no ethics, and the information and
the skills and the resources, then we end up with the problems that we have today. So this
interplace between confirmation bias and RAS really underscores why logical arguments will fail
when the person has an entrenched belief, especially emotional one. So logic isn't really
going to get us the answer. You can put the logic into a story. And when that story gets delivered
to the unconscious mind, it will change the RAS and that person will literally see a different world.
Now, for those of you that can recall when you started realizing the world didn't work out,
you thought it worked. That's what happened. Your RAS was changed. Something happened that changed
the information in the RAS. And it's usually a contradiction that's so strong that the RAS has
to accommodate. Now, that's really key. I won't go into it now, but there's basically two processes
that are taking information in. One's assimilate and the other one's accommodate. Now, assimilation
just keeps the structure of the model the same. You're just putting the information into the
structure you have. However, when you can no longer do that, you have to accommodate and that's
when your model has to change. Now, if you get exposed to the right information or the truth
for a series of stories and experiences, that literally will collapse your model of the world.
That's pretty much what I would imagine that's happened to all of you. There'd be some strong
story or experience that you could no longer assimilate that information.
So, onto the third thing. IOED, which is the illusion explanatory depth. Sounds complex and
most of these psychological concepts, they do like complex names, but all it is is a false sense of
security. The person thinks they know what they're talking about much more than they do. Now, one of
the simplest ways of highlighting this is like even if someone calls you an idiot, ask them to
explain how they came to that conclusion and then you're just going to get a blank look most of the
time. So, what it is that when Jane says, have you seen the reactions, you're just going to get this
conspiracy theories. It doesn't fit and then here's what's fascinating. Joe will then think he knows
why he's called you a conspiracy theorist and he thinks he can prove it. But I've been debating
with someone online recently who is the most delusional person I've ever spoke to in my life
and that's saying something because I spoke to a lot of them. But I've asked him nine times because
literally I've only been called a conspiracy theorist once in the last two years and it's
by this guy because I now know with my questions how not to trigger that response. But this guy
called it me and I've asked him nine times now to explain why he called me yet and he just ignores
the question because he doesn't know. He's literally like a pigeon in a box from Skinner's
studies. He's just pressing these buttons but he doesn't know why. But on rational people or people
that are not completely totally delusional, if you're very calmly just ask them politely,
may I ask what did I say that came across as conspiratorial? A lot of the time they will
soften and they'll suddenly realize that they don't know what they're talking about. And that's the
thing with IOED that all you generally have to do to get someone to shut up is ask them to explain
themselves. But if you want to go a little bit deeper then you have to do some other things.
But here's what's really interesting. Now this is just for an example of this.
There's questions that strengthen someone's delusion. So if you ask someone why they believe
what they believe, we are inadvertently getting them to believe what they believe even stronger.
We think that that's a question that will help them understand why they believe something
that's complete nonsense. But it has the completely opposite result. Now this was done on a big study
where they went up to people and they said why do you support the party you support?
The person then gave a series of rationalizations and you know rather nicely social sounding answers
and then they said to that person, oh can I donate to that party on your behalf as a thank you?
The person then said yes that would be nice. When they changed the question they said can you explain
the policies of the party you support? The person then had that goldfish look and they realized they
didn't know and that completely undermined their confidence. And obviously when the people are
doing the study they're going to have a certain authority as well. And then they said to them,
can we donate to that party on your behalf? And it was a completely different answer in many cases.
The person would say actually no I need to think about this a bit more. So the questions that we
ask, so I think a lot of us would say questions is just one big sort of subject. But when you drill
into the details, into the weeds and the devils in the details, the actual structure of the question
you ask will get a completely different response. So when you understand which questions you ask
and which not to ask, you can go from strengthening someone's delusion to actually starting to clap
someone's delusion. Now these questions are just very sort of related to the political sphere but
we're developing a lot of ones for you know any of the narratives really. And then obviously you can
I'm sure you can see the power of this that when you will really understand at a deep level
the question you're going to ask, what it's going to trigger in that person from a psychological
mindset is going to be actually more important than what their answer is going to be.
So you know environments dominated by partisan cues or emotional appeals perpetuate shallow
decision making. So what we found from looking into all the studies on political voting,
it just appears that not many people know why they're voting for who they're voting for or
anything that's really important. For generally it appears that they only vote for the same
people that their parents voted for in most cases and that's obviously quite alarming but that tends
to be the reality of things from looking at the studies. And obviously some people then go against
their parents exactly but it's often a reference point. So what are the effects of these three
things? So here's one particular study that's taken from the science of practice of influence
and according to Cialdini who's you know labeled as the godfather of influence, this was the
scariest study he'd ever seen. So the question is what percentage of nurses would prescribe
a drug which was transmitted over the phone, okay, which violated hospital policy. It was actually
a fake drug and it wasn't approved for use. The actual doses they were asked to give, so this was
doses they were asked to give, so this was literally a person phoning a nurse, right,
and just saying he's a doctor. She had never met the doctor before, he just said he was over the
phone. The dosage was actually twice which was on this bottle because they created a fake bottle
so it was literally twice the actual maximum daily dose and the nurse had never met or spoken to this
physician. So the question is how many nurses would then go and give that drug to the patient?
So these are the options, okay. Now the answer is, I mean any of those is disastrous but the answer
was 95%. Now when you see the effects of this study, how people have been conditioned for the
white coat bias and all these things, not many people are thinking. They're just reacting to
the environmental cues that are going on which have been created via classical and operant
conditioning and there's so many studies like this. I mean the reason they ran this study was
was just incredible. A nurse had actually put a
ear drops, they had administered them in a suppository way because on the thing it said our ear.
So the nurse had read it as as rear and she put the ear drops in the person's rectum, okay. That is how
so many people are just acting in just an automatic way. So I'm just going to touch on this
because I did show this last time I was here but what you can see is now that all of these things
in green are beliefs that have been conditioned via the media and the TV shows as belief systems
into a person's unconscious mind that when you create a stimulus they end up with the answer
safe and effective. All of this on the left happens automatically outside of awareness.
The person then comes to the conclusion oh it's safe and effective and they trust that that's
their thought but that has been programmed into them. So how it affects behavior and I'm only
going to touch on this but really the unconscious mind's main goal other than the pain of pleasure
is actually to conserve energy. So people will always take the path of least resistance, okay.
So many people took the jab because it was the path of least resistance but for anyone here
that pathway wasn't the least resistance because we knew the consequences so it actually became
the path of most resistance. So it's really the obstacles placed in here really key. So if we look
at the path of least resistance and we use the picture of Joe here as the conscious mind,
the horse is the unconscious mind and this map as the computer which represents all the knowledge
that person has and combine it with what you've just seen. What they did was they
conditioned people to move away from pain towards the comply and then what they did was they removed
all the obstacles, okay. Now this here which I won't go into now because it's
will take a bit of time but it's known as self-perception theory which is once you get
someone to do one thing which they can't object to they when update their belief system and that's
how you can take someone step by step or goose step by goose step from being maybe a liberal or
left to actually having fascist ideas but they won't even know it's happened. So they would go from
being maybe a pro you know my body my choice to then supporting holding you down and you know
injecting you with a pathogen. So it's really you know this model I could talk about a bit to
really show out of all those previous points how it literally conditions a person to behave a certain way.
So that brings us to the end so really just in summary the first thing was conditioning so
that's really really key that's how people feel compelled to do things. So we've been conditioned
to go on a Facebook but most people that use Facebook hate Facebook but that's because they
feel the unconscious compelled to do so. We've also then got the RAS which is the gatekeeper.
This is the key to getting through to people. Once we start to shift the RAS people will literally
change their mind so quickly and the third thing was that illusion of explanatory depth
which was the really the deception that people have about how the world works
and that effect will go away once you know how to to quickly or very eloquently challenge it
and then if you can get someone to change their RAS their mind will change.
So that brings me to a close you can reach me at this email or that web address and I will open it
up for Q&A. Beautiful so David great great job now I've got a couple of key questions for you
before while Stephen's getting his thinking together. What's two questions? What is the
most surprising belief that you have changed in your life and as you're thinking about that I'll
remind everybody about the four stages of life. First stage is when you believe in Santa Claus,
the second stage is when you don't believe in Santa Claus, the third stage is when you are
Santa Claus and then the fourth stage is when you look like Santa Claus but anyway belief in
Santa Claus so my question is a serious one what's the most surprising belief that you've changed and
secondly who are the brilliant guys who wrote yes minister and yes prime minister because the
PsiOps that they described in those TV programs was simply magnificent. So those two questions
David and then we'll go to Stephen for his 15 minutes. The first one is that I can make a
difference okay we're all conditioned to think that the world is this big powerful thing that's
going on and we're a little tiny piece of sand in it and we can't make any difference that's
conditioned into us on purpose but when you start to realize you can do some things that can really
change some big things and everyone has that power that's the thing that I found really key. Now
I've just finished I'm just going around the second time there's a thing called the Lefko
method which is a way in how to change beliefs so we can literally change any belief in about 30
minutes now and it's incredible. How do you spell Lefko? L-E-F-K-O? K-O-E. L-E-F-K-O-E. So what's
interesting is that I went I literally paid about six thousand to do the three courses
they were incredible it's all homework based etc now I only got the homework in on time 10% of the
time okay so I had lots of conditioning to hold myself back to really not like homework all of
these things anyway we've developed some processes to recondition ourselves I used it on that and on
the second time round after four weeks I've got the homework in 100% of the time totally unrelated
to whatever I wanted to the intention was always there but it's not about what you can do or want
to do it's what how you can really program yourself to do what you want to do. Nice nice that's really
bindable the Lefko method. Yeah that's brilliant I mean there's loads of this I mean we've got lots
of things that we basically we've built a series of processes and some of them already built
obviously to change belief systems to decondition to break programming all these things now we
envisage that it's possible to do it on a large scale via documentaries because it's all about
the order in which you do things yeah Maldi Lefko was the guy he's passed away now but basically
once you understand how the brain works and all these things that are going on then effectively
you can learn to control yourself but that's what they've done to us you understand they literally
they are the people pushing the propagandas and the people in power they understand this much
better than we understand ourselves and yes Prime Minister just on a note have you seen the yes
ladder example? Yeah. The yes ladder so basically there's a two minute clip and I can find it and
send it if you want it's a great demonstration on how to lead someone up the garden path and he does
it in two minutes and he gets the person to two completely different conclusions. Was that the
trident nuclear exercise because that was the one that sticks in my mind from the 70s you know?
It was the one where he said should we bring back compulsory entry into the army. Yeah
yes it's just just spectacular so who are those authors I mean they're so clever to analyze that
anyway I bring everyone's attention Stephen must have watched yes Minister and yes Prime Minister
but thank you David most interesting lots of other questions we'll get to Stephen for the
next 15 minutes and then others will have plenty of questions I'm sure. So David how did they
get the whole world to do and say the same stuff you know all around the world in your opinion?
Have you got any closer to identifying people responsible? Well that's orchestration so what
you've got is that once you understand incentives and there's a book on this called mixed signals
so incentives is one of the nine elements of mind space so you can pretty much control
billions of people by just incentivizing them to do what you want them to do.
You just create the right incentive structure so you so look at all the councils in the UK they
pretty much bankrupted them all and they said right well you've got to implement these policies to get
the money okay and that's it you've got them controlled I mean basically so via that classical
the operant conditioning look what happened to Andrew Bridgen when he stood up okay so that was
an example of everyone else you stand up you're going to get that stick okay and you're going to
lose all your carrots so that's how so much of this is controlled people are aware that there's
consequences to their behavior and you set up the right incentive screen uh straight uh incentives
you can pretty much predict with really accurate perspective on what people will do for instance
they now know via various studies that there's four elements that under the right conditions you
can move the moral compass of 70 percent of the population okay now most companies have those
four elements present so basically if you look at the banking system there was a study run out of
switzerland that was testing the honesty of all different professions and they did it via getting
them to flip a coin in private and then just uh stating how many was heads and tails and they
got bonus when it was heads turns out that when bankers are at home they don't cheat but when you
remind them about being bankers not only do they cheat but they cheat more than prison inmates
okay so what you've got is the norms within a uh society or the norms within a business or whatever
is what conducts already influences a lot of people's behavior so yeah to get everyone to
do everything it's relatively straightforward you set up the right incentives you condition in the
right uh things that if you stand up you get silence and all these things so yeah there's a whole
series of things that you do and then you'll get a load of compliance yeah so how do they get people
all around the world certainly in western europe to believe that and america um that ucraine could
defeat russia well which never made any sense yeah well i i it is pretty amazing um but you see
it's not done by logic it's done by emotion but where's the emotion in a country like ukraine
well if you look right so if you look at something like jack reacher okay so the scene is jack walks
into the the new town gets off the bus walks into the new town a couple comes out the store
and the the man looks like he's just about to hit the woman and then you get jack to intervene and
save the day what do you think about jack jack's a good guy what do you think about the guy about
he's why he's the bad guy it's literally just that's how they do filmmaking so every picture
of one guy is bombing a score when every picture the other guy is receiving an oscar off of
some actor it's basically it's just advertising put product next to good emotion put other product
next to bad emotion if you look at any movie where you've got a villain and a hero it's actually the
scenes that get you to feel so in jack reacher they have him save a dog i'm a dog lover okay
so i'm looking at that and i just instantly feel a connection to jack okay when jack goes off and
killing people in cold blood without justice or the rule of law then i feel a little bit
but you see that's what they're doing they're using the emotion yeah it was a good point don't
watch any hollywood they're using the emotion to get you to like something and dislike something
and if you're a conscious person a lot of time i'll see you'll see through it but you can't decide
how you respond to that you pretty much have to not watch it okay so that's literally and and
and the because they've you know because i think that most people would think
that ukraine's got a bunch of other countries behind them so it's almost like oh it's not just
the little person being bullied they've got their dad and their brother behind them but it won't
make any logic but it doesn't have to because they're not based in the decision on logic
they're based on their decision on emotion and then what the brain will do is rationalization
yeah so david do you think that the they actually tried to destabilize people by
by um getting them to believe in things that they they wouldn't normally believe you know so
look at the ukraine war the whole thing was mystifying to me from the people it appeared
in early 22 i think it was climate change same and covid the same there was no pandemic
no pandemic and that took a bit more work working out for most people but the ukraine war and
climate change just staring in the face of its fraud um so and they got people to believe you
know the people who were trying to influence they got them to believe all three of those
and there were more things which didn't make sense and so was the idea to get them to believe stuff
that actually deep down they knew they shouldn't believe but they they there was so much pressure
on them that they actually sold their soul in the end and they and the idea was to get them to
not respect themselves was that part of it at all well that is there is some evidence to suggest
that so there was a very famous asian warrior that would bring a horse in and say this is a deer
and anyone that disagreed he just murdered because they were not compliant to him
okay so some of this stuff is a compliance test but it's a very slippery road that the minute you
take a few steps down that yes your belief system will change but it there's many different types of
self-image that we have so there's one that we project to the world and there's a real one that
governs our behavior so the person will go right okay well in order to survive i'm going to have
to just concede and do as i'm told because it just seems so overwhelming and you know people want to
be on the side that wins etc so there is evidence to suggest that steven and the belief system the
way that this and it's known as self-perception theory the way that the belief system will change
according to someone's behavior is really struck me as being startling so what happens is that our
belief system drives our behavior and it's a kind of reinforced loop so it's a two-way street so if
we do something different we're actually monitoring our own behavior and then our belief systems will
change so by forcing a person to take a mask you're forcing them into a false choice where they know
it's not going to work so they either push back against it or they change their belief system but
when they're forced to do so and they don't have the record belief systems or courage then what
happens is they will change their belief system but it does it happens unconsciously so when you
talk to people and you hear people say oh my parents talk it and then i asked them why they
say oh i just want a quiet life they don't realize that wanting a quiet life is a result of learned
helplessness from a decades and decades of conditioning then i want a quiet life is pretty
much saying there's this group of people that run this country and i just have to appease them as
much as possible so they let me at least live a quiet life that makes sense we're not aware that
the the levels of condition that have to go on that if you take a child that has total confidence
in themselves and you put them in a classroom where there's a strong person at the front and says
what you have to do everything as i say that for me is is designed to break the spirit of the child
to get them to comply and then you've got 20 you know whatever years of conditioning every time you
do as i say you get a gold star every time you don't do as i say you go in the corner or you get
the cane or whatever it is and and it goes from being physical you know years ago to now be an
emotional blackmail but decades of that literally will wear a person down if they don't have you
know something about them that can push against it so in 2020 david did they deliberately
upset the world in the view of most people you know so it created chaos and that nothing made
sense and um and that was disturbing enough but then people because nothing made sense they were
fearful yeah and then they realized that they couldn't actually talk to anyone because
people became their fearful state their perceptions were all different they couldn't connect with
anyone and then they found that they were breaking up with friends and family members
and that kind of spooked them even more was it a kind of vicious uh circle going round and round
and getting worse and worse in order yeah in order to create a new society you effectively have to
disrupt the old one so they disrupt in a pattern of behavior they disrupt in thought patterns etc
but that question i mean that would take hours to answer because there's so many elements to it
that you know you create a huge amount of emotion okay and then you take away everything that
someone values and you say right you can have this back when you do as i say
and then what they did was they gave everybody a buffet of excuses okay and of course you know it
was herd instinct it was basically you know herd instinct historically developed as a survival
strategy in a survival mechanism so when you look at an antelope if it's on its own it's pretty
screwed but if it's in a big group you know not everyone has to look out so pack behavior is one
of the ways that we evolved but then you get a few people that peel off and then understand how the
pack operates and then uses its behavior against it is what we've witnessed so the the consensus
belief system is really really really powerful yes and so human beings operate they have habits
and the habits normally would carry on and on but then they disrupt the habit and the habit can
once the habit is broken like over a week it's very difficult for them to resume the habit is
that correct so well oh sorry yeah well that's that's a difficult question because it needs a
bit more specific but i think to to i think what you're touching on is heuristics so basically
we've got loads of rules of fun that we have in our mind for instance if let's say you was in
holiday in spain and you walked past two restaurants and one of them was really busy and the other one
was empty which one do you think was better me personally well not your but what like what would
you think was the better restaurant the busy one would be the general populace would say a lot of
some people might go in the quiet one because they they want to be in and out but generally
most people would think the busier one would be better but this is how they hack our minds so
let's say the restaurant on the left that's a busy one the owner has got all of his cousins down to
sit there to make it look busy and then what he's done is he's put some you know dog poo on the
other one's you know doorstep so what they're then doing is they're manipulating people's
natural instincts and that's what a salesman do is they know what's going on so then they
appear to be something other than they are so the person perceives it as they want them to be
perceived very good so charles i'll give someone else a chance to do it very good that's you're
perfect 15 minutes precisely steven yeah well done didn't even look at my watch well done
subconsciously we've trained you well all about feelings joss not logic
jessica love to have you here and love it i've seen you in dublin recently yes likewise and
you look stunning much this doesn't do you justice on here i must say thank you very impressive
i'll do anything for a fiver charles you know that
david i had to take care of a phone call during that so if you've already covered this i'll watch
it on catch up and won't take more time from you but the question i really want to ask your
opinion on is we know a lot these days about why people do things how it's done how we manipulated
and in my way of looking at it i always just tell people watch the commercials with the sound off
and you can just see exactly what's going on then but my question is about the people who don't do
it because i know it's not upbringing or conditioning because you know i've got siblings
why are there those people who simply don't who just who just see it see through the illusion
yeah i this is literally the first question that we all have okay now i could talk about hours
about this but it's really there is something about it's they they pretty much label it as
prior experiences so whilst you might have shared the same upbringing as your brothers and sisters
you would have had distinctly different unique experiences and there'd be something in there
that space is almost like an algorithm that would have alerted you and that would have been that
razz that's filtering the world has literally been able to see what they can't see okay so if you get
two people with different razz watch the same film or watch the same experience they literally see
different things okay that doesn't rule out potential aspects of spirituality and all the
other things because you can you know that's definitely possible and if you look at morphogenic
fields with sheldrake that's always that's also possible but if we stayed strictly scientific and
physical it's your prior experiences okay there's just something about what you noticed
yeah for me there was a lot of things as a kid but there was an experience i had as 19 where
i got rushed in the hospital and i suddenly realized the doctors had no clue what they were
doing they literally scared the shit out of me telling me there was all these things wrong with
me and then another doctor come in and say there's nothing wrong with him he's got a chest infection
that sent me home that contradiction that experience was so strong that it broke that model of the
world okay so when you look at people that have gone into natural health the majority of those
people now know that the pharmaceutical companies are absolute you know total criminals so most of
those would have known something was up for some reason the yoga community didn't okay no
they met see what it is that we we generally take a lot of advice from the people with influence
okay so that's why they paid a lot the influences because the influences will really affect the
their followers so a lot of the yogis and the people at the yoga institutes and whatever were
you know paid a lot of money to take the jab and believe in it and then of course they got to the
churches so a lot of the people in the church would be affected and all this thing so what they did
was they looked for all the influence in pillars of power and affected those but once you have
epic meaning or purpose nothing will work on you okay once you know what you're here to do
once you know that you've got a place and you've got a role to do none of that stuff works on you
anymore yeah it just won't have any effect you know they will be able to get suddenly things
at you from certain conditionings but as a general rule once you know once the game's up it's up
yeah that makes total sense and i can imagine as well i mean we had a very rough childhood a lot
of homelessness and very very very rough sort of experience yeah but i was i was the one that
that didn't buy into this but everyone i was nothing i can do about it and and then you know
even down to yeah well people like you are the problem yeah yeah well you see the that come from
yeah well yeah the thing is though you would have lost a lot of confidence in the system
from your experience oh certainly but it sounds like the others literally because
to the four f's is fight flight freeze and form and what happens is a lot of people
are just falling as the way to survival yeah you decided to fight it's like screw this okay a lot
of people were just trying to escape but you couldn't really with a pandemic because it was global
and then of course most of the population are stuck in freeze so those four f's are pretty
pretty important but this is why you see a lot of people just fall in oh if i just do as a good
little boy or girl then i'll be okay and that's the stage that most people seem to be in their
freeze because a lot of the people you know if we use the truth movement as a loose term
they are stuck in freeze at the moment yeah i'll get that traumatized beyond belief yeah it's
really understandable but if we're to get out of this we've got to move that freeze into fight and
action and other things yeah and i think fear and trauma does infantilize people as well and they'll
just go back to where they think it's the safest place to be so put the news on or something you
know because it's the comfort zone yeah fear is very paralyzing probably the second most
powerful emotion but it easily overrides the others if you're not careful yeah totally well
thanks very much for that i really appreciate it thank you jesse here everyone look check out
jesse's book the topic of cancer great title not the topic of cancer but the topic of cancer
um which i have in my hand cancer is by henry miller yes the topic of cancer is by jessica
richards much more important now um before we go to glenn steve i just want to point out john
baudwin is available to present to us so you get in touch with him um john's got some great stuff
by just bringing it to your attention yes i have that that that happens so i i um i i sent an email
to john today yeah that's so just organize i'm just bringing to your attention so that
um i don't forget it glenn is next and then it's me hi david uh i listen i've uh listened very
intently to both your prior presentations here um what i'd like to do is postulate something i mean
to some extent your layout describes what happens in group psychology and and where you're dealing
with large groups of people and sometimes those can be large groups on both sides i'm going to
postulate that that's not true here that what we have now is a very tiny number of trillionaires
that are simply looking to enslave the rest of humanity uh and they have used the techniques of
lie cheat steal and murder in order to get control over the institutions a variety of of
leaderships and whether it's church or or or uh political positions and once they've trapped those
people uh in those techniques they they have to go along with whatever the criminal syndicate is
telling them to do i actually in agreement by the way i i i think what you've got is the man behind
the curtain you know from the wizard of oz yeah once they get everyone else believing in what
they're doing but one of the techniques i believe they're using constantly is that they are finding
uh people that are of of pure content and pure interest and and in favor of humanity
and they're sabotaging them yes exactly so so let me give you a couple of examples
yeah um uh the canadian truckers they developed through their own communication linkage and their
own style a group think and and when they once they got that rolling they got a huge amount of
the public endorsement so what happened the elites the trillionaires they had to send in their
saboteurs so they they they found their people to go in and join join the truckers be one of them
help you know say you want to help with their leadership offer lots of services maybe offer
money and and they worked themselves into those groups and then they basically tore them to shreds
another example of this in in people that we have seen right here in this particular
zoom call arrangement i'm going to point out two of them one of them
four four or five months ago came in and spoke about how his daughter was poisoned in in uh in
in a hospital and uh how he was defending her and taking that um and he went through that high
entire discussion but then when he got to the next part of it he said and he he invoked his religious
background to it and then said i can't defend i i won't agree to the issue of voting for uh the
the less worse of two evils and he basically encouraged everyone don't vote now anyone that
ever compared trump to biden says well i may not like trump but i can't see him as being anywhere
near as evil as biden and so once you convince people not to vote that's what they wanted they
didn't want good people to be in fact voting for someone that may not been their best choice but
was better than the other choice i'm going to give one other example and then let you comment
on it and this was just a couple weeks ago uh we had patrick wood on now patrick wood has done some
brilliant work of of tracking down through the trilateral commission uh things going back to the
30s and especially later on with with the rockfella foundation 70s and the 80s but i contend and i and
i said this openly that that he got tricked later on and he got fooled into believing
that uh that that there were a variety of corrupt elements to the uh to trump and to a range of the
trump uh uh designees to be in his his government um and that he basically got tricked into thinking
oh trump's a bad guy so i i gotta warn people about that uh so that they so the whole world
doesn't join in even though every single theme when you bring up a single topic like the trans
world 80 of the public believes in that and and they think the democrats are idiots for for standing
behind that theme even even as their whole party is is collapsing so uh that's my question to you
do you see that same kind of thing where very good honest good intent you know intentioned people
that are very morally grounded end up being tricked into uh confusing the public
simply so that the the broad-based humanity can't come back in mass and and undo the trillionaires
well there's well there's so many different elements to that the the one of the things is
that there's a lot of mercenaries out there mercenaries such as um what's his name piers morgan
that we got in the uk right and steven and anyone in the uk would know that man is the armpit of
society is a toenail on the end of scum he literally but you see he doesn't necessarily
believe in the ideology but he will do whatever he's paid to do okay and this is where incentives
are really really key so there's a lot of people like for instance when you look at all the
and i'm sure i certainly know a lot of the countries i've visited over the last two years
have a real big problem in immigration and it tends to be men of a fighting age etc etc
now if they those men end up joining the army they have no loyalty okay and anyone that has a power
and and wants to do things not very good if they've got an army that will do anything because they're
mercenaries versus an army that will only do what's right then you know so mercenaries a lot are very
powerful to anybody that wants to do anything so certainly the elites then what you've got is
ideologies and belief systems and we had a massive problem over here where people you know and and
the talk the truth movement was really torn between people that saying well we have to vote even if
we just try and get some independence in and there was a lot of people that said there's no point it
makes no difference okay now both schools of thought you can understand why they've come to
that conclusion but it really doesn't solve anything yeah so that's that's another piece
and then this thing about controlled opposition is really problematic because one of the biggest
psyops is thinking everything's a scion okay so the salem witch stuff where they've had professor
and the thing is nearly every concept i'll talk about has been well studied and they know what
effect they will get so if you get 40 students in a class and you tell them what we're going to do
today is that i'm going to whisper in your ear whether you're a person or a witch and your job
is to work out who the witches are okay so they say right at the end of the day all the people
that have been accused of witches go to one side and like 25 percent of the room goes to one side
and then they say right put your hand up if you're a witch no one puts their hand up because they
were all people but they were looking for witches now there are controlled opposition that's almost
guaranteed we know of brigade 77 etc etc but nowhere near as in the level in which people
are accusing others so pretty much i'm pretty sure that nearly everyone on this call has been
called a shill or something of some description at some point when you said something that somebody
else didn't agree with their go-to is to call you controlled opposition or a shill so that's very
problematic and the people pushing the agendas they can do so much damage by making up all memes
and false accusations by somebody that's telling the truth that makes sense so that's very
problematic and i you know i've thought about this a lot and i spoke to people about it how we
combat this you know we get around it because i got called all sorts of names just because i
agreed to be a referee on a zoom call with two groups that were fighting each other literally
unpaid just agreed to try and make everyone as impartial as possible the amount of abuse i got
from doing that i'm like what the hell like if we have see because the thing is when people get
emotional they want to be judged red okay they want to be the judge the jury and the executioner
right i know what's right and this is how it's going to be but of course a society functioning
community can't act that way right so especially when we know how we function so
they you know and to touch on the point look at the canada i spoke at the we unify conference
last year where if you were waving the canadian flag you were a nazi okay they they paid a bunch
of trans protesters to go down and say we were spreading hate nobody knew why even they didn't
know why because the media went out and asked them why are you here they're spreading hate what did
they say oh we don't know like what the hell so but but clive do something um he he went there
week ago because i spoke to him on sunday and he said right they're all flying the canadian flag now
right because what they've done now the propaganda says right well we've got to fight trump
so now we're canadians let's fly that so literally they just flip from one to the other
um but we do have a real challenge because due to the curse of knowledge when we're on the same
on this like say all of us here we just assume that we all believe the same things
but if we had a checklist of all the different narratives and all the different belief systems
which would be a very interesting thing to do and then we all state what we believe and then we were
able to have a sort of imminent critique of that and and look at it i think it would be a very
enriching process i know that i don't know everything in fact i know very you know i
concentrate on the psychology i don't have my finger on the pulse so you know we've got to
find a way to solve a lot of these things um but certainly you know the comments you made is you
know very valid in many areas and it's to understand that you know the mercenaries are a real big
problem because they don't have any allegiance they don't have any ideology they just do whatever
they're told to do and as an example in wells fargo they set up their incentive program
um incorrectly the member of staff would get a bonus if their existing customer opened a new
account 5200 of employees committed fraud i mean that's astonishing you set up the right
environment for people to do wrong and they will do wrong okay hopefully that sheds a few thank you
one quick follow-up and i want to i think it may lead to you steven your concern will g why
why did uh zelinski ever think he could win against putin um you have to understand the
motivations uh neither putin nor zelinski wanted to win they just wanted to fight because that's
where the most money comes to them is when somebody else is funding the war so that's that's
why it went on and has gone on for so long simply both sides both putin uh was making money on it
and zelinski and by the way if you haven't seen him yet take a look at the pictures that are tying
zelinski back and he may be the son of george soros wow love it okay love it thank you glenn
who's saying that thank you who's saying that if you haven't seen the photos i'll post it
all right thanks thanks post it where i'll put the pointer in the chat okay very good okay um
thank you thank you glenn before we go to john david um i've been an executive coach for 31
years i've been a professional speaker for 31 years and in my experience of one-on-one coaching
and i challenge the people on this call and anyone watching this recording in my experience
the vast majority of people have no conscious idea of what they believe and i'm sure you've
found the same thing i have no idea what they believe they are unable to articulate what they
believe and yet you have pointed out and i reinforce it that their decisions are based
on these beliefs they're not even conscious they've got and so all of you watching all of
you here you know what david's telling us and all what i'm telling you all it is to wake up
to understand what you believe and then when you look at it to question so what do i actually
believe about that and you will be stunningly surprised the second issue is david you said hey
i don't know at all each one of us knows the best metaphor i have for this
is that if you imagine the volume of knowledge on the planet as an olympic-sized swimming pool
and by the way talking about referees david i was an international water polo referee
so every time i made a decision half the thousands of people would call me a prick the other ones
would say i'm brilliant and then make another decision then the other half would say i'm
brilliant and now i'm a prick and so being a referee is interesting in the psychology of
umpires in you know international games they soccer matches and the like it's it's quite
it's quite um interesting i don't know where i was going with that i was going to say something
um no i lost it doesn't matter so so i'll take oh sorry the swimming pool analogy
if that's that's why i thought of water polo an olympic-sized swimming pool has a million
liters of water if you picture that as the sum total of all human knowledge the smartest guy
in the room might know 10 000 liters of the million liters the smartest guy in the room
each one of us knows maybe a thousand liters of the million liters 0.1 percent
and this idea that an anthony de mello beautifully says beautifully points out in his book awareness
i'm sure you've read de mello's book awareness it's wonderful he says each one of us is just an
idiot and when you accept that you're an idiot then you stop trying to walk around impressing people
that you know it all because the smartest guy in the room might know one percent of the stuff
one percent of the stuff and so voltaire's got a similar quote isn't he he says the more the study
the more i realize i know nothing yeah we know nothing and so and so in the con in the conversations
that we have here the views the opinions the upsets and all of that so picture that olympic
size swimming pool everybody and you know and and be hungry to learn so um find understand you know
i just urge everybody and the issue the question that challenged us david it's a big question
steven and i have talked about it here many times is the psyop that has been exercised on the medical
fraternity since 1910 all right and so the the the your chart of questions was very good and
one of the challenges that we have is my view in australia is the 20 percent of doctors
would tend towards we call them the truth seekers and the freedom fighters 80 percent are totally
lost same in the uk 20 would question the system but insufficient are doing it publicly and and
david one of the things we have to do is to if the medical profession and lawyers are the same by the
way the question is the psyop that's been exercised on them how what are the questions that we can
ask our doctors and doctors can ask of each other to shift this mad this may all the doctors have
become mercenaries as we know you know it was my mortgage or your health clearly paying my mortgage
is more important than your health so that's the question that i have of you you know have have you
thought about how we break through this side yeah yeah well a lot i mean it would take hours to
literally go through it there's a number of solutions one of them is we really need a
knowledge base okay for anyone that's working big corporations what a knowledge base is imagine
everyone on this call all the implicit knowledge in their heads if we could get that implicit
knowledge into an explicit system where everyone else could access it then all we we pretty much
have that hive mind in all accessing the top information so i'm talking with a couple of
people in canada at the moment to try and build one about vaccination so then when you're going
to talk to someone you can destroy their argument very quickly because you've got the information
but it's not the information that's going to do it you're going to be able to tell them stories
and get their mind open and when it's open then you've got the info so that's one thing but there's
a whole bunch of different solutions i mean one of the biggest pressures is the finance system
okay because there's a thing law of the commons which is pretty much people and families will
look after themselves first which is why you see those doctors are looking after their
their families and their mortgage and their income first because of the system that they're stuck in
this is the problem the systems are so degenerative they're so problematic and it's
pretty much the incentives that's a problem we will consciously say oh no no corruption doesn't
operate that but all the studies show opposite four list of behaviors 65 percent of people's
moral compass will move stanley milgram showed that up to 65 percent of people will literally
press a button to kill another person just because someone in a white coat told them to do so
so we've got to transcend all of these things but in terms of solutions i think it's you know
there's a lot of brainstorm that needs to happen and then there's a lot of people where so many
different people have a piece of the puzzle and you get those people together so they can build
the solution together is one of the things i'm literally yeah there's yeah there's so many
bit there's so much so it's so complicated but okay there's some good thoughts there i will
yeah we've got to collaborate basically and we work out where we're going and then find a way to
find a way to train ourselves to go there yeah so you're an international water polo referee
and you're hung well from hungary originally and i had a friend in sweden who i used to play tennis
with and his name was gula gal and he was a water polo international from hungary and then came to
sweden and became a water polo international for sweden i wonder whether you know him gula gal he
was a he was a doc medical doctor radiologist event ended up as a radiologist the question is
had how how you write his name steven because g u y l a was it gal g a l g u y a l yeah he was
so he was in hungarian team and hungary are very good at water polo hungary is the preeminent
nation in water polo everybody's won eight olympic gold medals since 1896 the near next
nearest is three yes the hungarians are by far the best and it's a very interesting issue on culture
great example of a particular culture by the way hungary's won more noble laureates per
capita than any nation on the planet just bring that out to you steven well i'm not sure that's
true i think uh uk is pretty higher but having said that what do we think of noble prizes
no that's correct good question not not not much these days
um so john baudwin with his french origins here david bow well he thinks french what is it french
and mixture of everything john yeah i'm um uh three quarters french one quarter irish so the
french is really quebecois so i say i come from quebec not france because i don't like them but
anyway uh actually with names uh charlambou is is that kind of like uh harlem bay is it are you greek
greek yeah is it is it a version of harlem bay just a different spelling i'm not aware but it is
from cyprus okay um so charles uh most of water polo is played under the under the water is that
correct that's correct people don't realize that you get slammed in the balls all the time and uh
it hurts and when they push off they push off with something with their feet the other thing is um
so if people have different the numbers of leaders when we talk about biden would would you say biden
has um one liter two liters or no i think biden just peed in the pool um he paid in the cup very
good so salem witch trials uh david you mentioned the first article i ever wrote in substack i it's
called the value of contrarianism in the time of witchery and um i went through that everybody's
talking about nazis all the time right everybody's talking about 1930s germany and i just didn't want
to follow the trends so i did that and and what i learned was that there's a war that occurred well
first of all why do people act the way they do uh like you said there's a number of things you know
fear of impending war poor crop growth prolonged cold temperatures um charismatic leaders so it
could be anything i mean if you look at salem it kind of all almost happened at the same time
everybody was afraid of being attacked by uh soldiers coming down from the north who had
just gotten beaten but the war that had just happened was father baudouin's war and uh that's
my name and it turns out father baudouin's first name was jon so same i have a war named after me
first and last name it's pretty cool um you mentioned something that might um like why do
people like how do you get people to do stuff and i have this um i've adapted everything i do is from
engineering david because i'm an electrical engineer that's my career and i've learned systems
when i think about economic systems even um behavioral systems financial everything
it one of the things that we used to do is called topping off you get as much as you can with the
first set of tests on a chip right because it costs money to be on a tester it's a high capital
equipment cost so you throw the chip on there and your first test will get like 60 percent
your next next uh test might get another 30 or up to 90 and then you you keep doing that your goal
depending on the chip if it's military grade something you're looking at 99.99 percent
99.99 fault coverage if it's a cell phone 98 percent's fine if two percent escaped to the
to the public so they don't work they bring them back right it depends on whether it's not it's
life involved so imagine um you get 60 percent of people through solicitation financial incentives
as you mentioned you still don't have uh 40 percent of the people and you need to get maybe 95 percent
so then you use coercion so with solicitation from the cares act that got most of the hospital
administrators to lean on the doctors using coercion you're now up to like 90 percent and
you want you still need more people so what do you do you make public examples out of people like
meryl nass and uh mark trossy up in canada um daniel nagase uh john latel down in florida
you get another five percent of the doctors around the country to phone
online now you're up to 95 the other five percent marginalize them to you know suppress their voices
in social media so i'm agreeing with you and all that stuff uh dogma um what didn't i agree with
you on um because that's where the interesting part comes in and dialogue right um i'm trying
to find it i have it here well let me just comment on critical thinking i don't know what you think
about how colleges think they can teach critical thinking you can't teach critically they can try
but really if you want to teach critical thinking have the professor uh come up and whack somebody
in the back of the head from then on they'll be worried about somebody whacking them in the back
of the head and thinking isn't enough either so yeah it's just take out critical just think go
ahead sorry well you see the thing is well we're actually doing um i'm gonna be teaching a series
of workshops on this with dr david funder and shanae stringer so david's a political philosopher
and and shanae to behavioral scientist and critical thinking is really key but the problem
is that if you've got a faulty variable it doesn't matter how critically you think so basically
the adaptive unconscious is a really key piece of this and and charles was touching on it when he
said there's pretty much most of your beliefs are hidden in the adaptive unconscious and you
don't have access to it but you can infer what's in there so you know i was fortunate enough to
work with bruce lipton on a project for a couple of years and he he wrote the biology belief and
he said if you want to know what your beliefs are just look around if you've got no money then
you've got a poor belief around money if you're single you've got like so you can infer what's
in the adaptive unconscious because you can't see what's in there and that's what's really key
and with critical thinking i've pretty much tried to read every book on behavioral science
and perception and pretty much they all will talk about blind spots and will say that everyone's
got them but they will somehow find a way to ignore their own so in nearly every single one
of those books they use vaccination as an example of when people don't critically think because they
don't believe in it which is absolutely absurd and even the guy that book i mentioned earlier
mixed signals a really key book because he that guy ewey genese is probably the world expert on
incentives and how poor incentives create poor outcomes now there can't be any worse industry
for poorly designed incentives than the pharmaceutical industry but in the book
ewey makes the blanket statement i took the vaccine because i believe in science
now that is the biggest condition bullshit in history yeah so yes so i think what you said
was really important and completely correct around it's not just one thing okay so when someone wears
a mask somebody's wearing it because they're scared somebody's wearing it because they want
to conform somebody's wearing it because they don't want to be confronted something and somebody's
wearing it because two of those three another person so you've almost got this many-to-many
relationship because of that now one thing that's interesting is that engineering you can predict
things very accurately because you've got all the known variables don't you really you can you can
flush most of them out from what i can see but with human behavior there's always this little bit
of even the person doesn't know themself so there's so many studies on this for instance
they gave people three washing powders and they said right tell us which one is the best one and
they said oh the number one's the best and they said why is number one the best they said oh it
was just better for this reason that reason and that reason all the washing powders were the same
the only thing that was different was the box so what you've got is that people are
not in general very good at articulating why they've done something because for the most part that
why is hidden from their conscious mind and this is the real challenge with this because
to show people this effect they won't believe it until they see enough studies okay but that means
that that particular thing ends up being is one of the greatest stealth weapons that the people
pushing the narrative have and i said yeah can i add to that because this is a this is really important
this is really important what you just said is it can't agree more so inferential statistical
methods are used improperly by many purviews within engineering and i use an example in my own career
because it's easy you have complete control over all the variables in a plasma chamber and along
the 400 steps of bringing a semiconductor wafer toward being chips the manufacturing of
semiconductors you control the pressure temperature the frequency of light 493 nanometers or now the
near the euv extended ultraviolet so you control every every aspect physically and so if you want
to increase yield which means fewer bad chips on a wafer and this translates to billions of dollars
in profit your profits are at the margins of failure aware you can get you can get your yield
from 95 percent and 99.5 that's a huge amount of money so you control all that now the use of
statistics inferential statistical methods in that case where it costs you two million dollars every
every time you do a prototype run so you tweak the process and spend two million bucks and you run
it's like oh it went down not up you know but so using statistics when you have control over all
the variables great it's great for engineering but now this epidemiology bullshit profession
sorry if any epidemiologists are here but it's not a science it's a social science it's all it's all
full of crap with all their confidence intervals and p values they use a normal distribution for
everything they have no idea if they have a normal distribution it could be bimodal polymodal and
they're talking um say there's another example i use prostate cancer right happens in old people
the average age of prostate cancer is in i think it's uh it's like 67 or 73 or something like that
hardly anybody gets it before they're 50 right testicular cancer the average age is 30 you get
it from like 18 to 40 so this these are both male cancers and from 40 to 50 you're not getting
either one of them not happening but if you take the two data sets throw them together and say male
cancers you'll find that the the uh the mean is is right where it will never happen and if you
look at a normal distribution and apply that to the data set you'll find that oh that's the most
likely place it's going to happen no it's not you've created a bimodal distribution and so all these
papers of all this bullshit with um and and i'm working on right now is a certain guy and that
nobody's heard his name before here i guarantee it he is responsible for some of the most dastardly
things that killed hundreds and thousands of people in the last five years and i'm putting
together the timeline he creates a paper anytime the government needs a paper and by doing so all
these rules and edicts that came out that are used around the world not just the u.s the cdc is
adopting it based on his findings right um killed a freaking ton of people why because none of this
shit should be done uh using these methods and and these poor distribution functions and lastly
i'll close by saying um the masking you know engineers develop the specification for the mask
they design the mask they develop the manufacturing process for the mask they develop the uh the um
quality testing um and then they develop the failure analysis uh stuff and the doctor
might read the spec on the box before he puts it on his face and yet how many doctors around the
world are commenting on masks and doing randomized controlled double blind placebo you know whatever
trial bullshit we had 17 people in denmark who wore a mask and 34 didn't and they have no control
over all the variables none it's a stupid method evidence-based medicine is a fucking crock of
shit sorry everybody hope i didn't ruin your podcast here charles um the it so you see where
i'm going with all this i think you're going to agree with me what do you think well i think
mathematics there's a guy called rory suverland and he's written a book called alchemy and i'd
highly recommend everyone read it and he said that when it comes to statistics he said the
difference between a competent mathematician and an excellent one is that they're living in two
different worlds so the average mathematician is going to make so many mistakes that so it's going
to be horrendous so the one of the stories actually in that book was a guy that was designing
the cockpit for pilots in the ref and he came up with an average size of all the dimensions of the
pilots and he realized that actually no one was the average size so if he'd actually lose the
average size he could only guarantee that it wouldn't be nice for anyone okay so that's where
i would agree with you on those numbers but i'm not a competent statistician so in terms of
mathematics so so this is where it gets really complicated that you know when you know what
you're talking about to find a way to explain it to people in a way that they can get it
that's the challenge and that's where metaphors become very important so does it give you a
example i was on a panda call and i think i've come across you a few times john i'm sure i've
heard you speak i'm well aware of the work you've done i was on a panda call
and there was one of the i won't say she was but brilliant scientist presented for two hours
incredible information and the next day i couldn't tell you a single thing that she said
but mark jurido come on i mean at the time you know it's all going in it makes sense or whatever
but i couldn't retain it mark jurido comes on and tells a metaphor and i can still tell you today
what he said and what it meant so the information the way it moves between people is so important
and people like yourself where you got that information it's literally the question is how
do you get that in someone else's head because the truth movement you know that term loose
doesn't have an information problem it has a communication problem
and that's the thing we have to solve and and that's really really key and coming back to that guy
that wrote the papers i call that deaf by protocol so when you look at the the the nurses 95
of them would have given that drug yeah when everyone's been so conditioned to follow protocol
and not their own intuition what they've done is they've basically there's a saying there's a very
good quotation i think it comes from persia where it was like you you build the child for the road
not the road for the child okay now what we what the world is doing is it's taking all the power
away from the individual and it's making everything and what it is it's about us responding to our
cues in society so when i drive to the traffic lights and it's red i automatically stop if i'm
around about i give way to here now the one of the towns i think is in belgium they did away with
all signage and all traffic lights and the injuries and the crashes went down significantly
because everyone had to be conscious and aware of what they're doing
we're living in a world where everyone's responding to their external cues and they're
not thinking and people have been so educated that when someone releases a paper like that
everyone's just relying that it's the truth
they said so what you've got is that you've got effectively policies driving decision making
and no one's really questioning or thinking about it because we're constantly told trust the experts
the new york times is running articles which is critical thinking is dangerous
i mean yeah so that's why i'd add today i i think that there's a lot of we agree on what david i mean
we agree on basically yeah i think there's a lot of interesting conversations we could have around
this and and certainly around the knowledge base i think that's a key piece to this but if we could
build some systems some intranets and internets of the collective information translate that into
metaphors and stories and get that out there then i think we could shift a lot more belief systems
a lot quicker the book of proverbs proverbs still works today it's a guide for life i don't care
what religion you are half of the proverbs proverbs in the book of proverbs are the same
exact things in other religions and cultures that that collective wisdom is amazing and what
we're doing now is we're killing people we're not we're not saving people no no what's what
they're so key playdo said those that tell the stories rule society now if you think about you
know 10 000 years ago right you'd have to learn that fire is dangerous that a tiger can kill you
and all these things it's my opinion in all the study and look at the research we develop the
ability to tell stories to transfer information without having to learn it the hard way so the
brain when you look at lisa crone i think it is she wrote a book she's a neuroscientist she wrote
a book wide for story story is the single most important thing to all of this now i just you
just reminded me of something i had meant i had meant to put in the presentation but i didn't it's
okay there's a concept called deep canvassing and it's literally how they can move someone's
belief system in about 20 minutes on a topic but what they found was that when they took the story
out it stopped working so story was the essential ingredient to change someone's mind so whenever
we're imparting information unless we use a story or a metaphor we can pretty much guarantee it's
only going to stay in the cerebral part of that person you should look at a couple articles i've
written johnny and the crossing guard tommy and the berry bush the link put the link in the chat
john just to know that and david to reinforce what you just said and again all of us i
listened to a podcast a second time and just test this on yourself that you won't have any
troubles remembering the story that was told by the presenter you will have no ability to
remember the data yes and so we are hardwired for that and the second david after 31 years in
fact more than that 40 years of presenting i'm constantly working and all of us should be
i urge us to keep honing our stories and our messages because it to two for two reasons one
because every person interprets it differently it's literally like me speaking hungarian to
someone who can't understand it it just doesn't compute in their mental framework and each one of
us can get better and better at explaining ideas and john from your perspective as the data you
know i i did math science before i did law and most people don't don't understand what 10 of
something is like it's quite remarkable i remember one time in college cnn used to have something
called headline news and they would replay all the headlines every every half hour and they had this
thing um where they would put on percentage something to try to get people oh my god look
at that so i had a guy in my fraternity say it said like 63 percent of people do x he said oh
my god i can't believe 63 percent i said that means 37 don't and he looked at me he was like
oh that's even worse like yeah they just they just made you think one thing by putting a big number
up you didn't take the compliment of it and this is back you know i'm like 19 years old and i was
thinking like that because this goes back to the beginning how do people get to think like this
if and i it's not it's not a rule but a lot of people who've been harmed by somebody whom they
trust whether it's inadvertent or or on purpose um those are the people who are acutely aware
without necessarily high intelligence but they're acutely aware of what humans can do to each other
and they're they're very wary of things that happen like wear a mask or take a vaccine because
their their uncle or their you know priest or you know what i'm talking about you know um it doesn't
have to be that bad it could be just like your dad just doesn't show up after you're 10 years old he
lives a mile away down the street you don't see him once a year at the grocery store um that's me
by the way so when you're harmed in that way you lose trust in those uh for whom you should trust
the most and so you just don't trust anybody for the rest of your life and you don't trust when
president whatever says something or newscaster whatever i mean so yeah that's how i think um
and i've talked to a lot of people who a lot of people not very bright at all but they figured it
out right away why they were harmed somewhere back in their life by somebody they whom whom they
should have trusted so sorry for talking so much no that's a really key point actually because
because there was some somebody uh i can't remember who it was now but some expert in
trauma who somehow believed in the jabs a turn around and said oh the people that are not taking
it is because they're traumatized and blah blah blah and it was partly true you're correct like
once you've been once you because here's the thing the way i see it if we're educated to think that
the government gives a shit about us and then we suddenly realize that they couldn't care less
whether we live to die that's traumatizing because you know it's the collective society
but that realization is very key but the thing that you touched on there john that's really
important is that a child will often self-orientate the meaning of something whereas adults tend to
externally blame it okay so as adults everyone's blaming you know the the lefties are blaming trump
and the right and all these things so basically they're blaming the external for their situation
but as a child if the mother doesn't come home then the child will go well i can't be important
i'm not worth it or whatever and this is one of the clients i had a client yesterday where this
is where this lefkoe is so powerful she had two belief systems which she had got we managed to
change him in an hour and one of them was i'm not worth it because her parents were raising five
children so she didn't have the the the time the parents didn't have the time to look after her
so she had believed i'm not worth it but we managed to create alternative realities and
then she realized actually no they were just busy and of course what happens is that that belief
system stored in the adaptive unconscious and when that changed the person's behavior will change
okay so it really is i think you're absolutely spot on around once that model is broken because
that's what it's about the model breaks trauma is one of the way it breaks but if someone's
utmost belief system is truth and then they see lies that will break it and i also think that the
a lot of the reason that people in the truth movement have religious belief
is because they have a moral code okay they literally from a young age this moral code is
installed and the things that they were doing in moral and then they they chose got over
biden or whatever and that's why biden turned around and made that rather ludicrous comment
is that jesus would have took the vaccine right he literally said that and of course you like so
a man that can turn water into wine would need a vaccine like it doesn't make any sense but you see
but yeah i think your point around that trauma is very um very true all right we're gonna we're gonna
we've got it we're gonna move on um but that trauma john that you're talking about in fact
steven reminds me of another presenter we're going to have here that i'll introduce you to it's now
david suggested an experiment done on mice that trauma now can go back 14 generations
yes all right so john your salem witch hunt ancestors it's impacting on you now um but
david that's an interesting idea isn't it seven so it's seven generations now go back 14 generations
so jim it's a wonderful explanation for why you and i might be considered pricks by some people
will blame our ancestors okay john you can do the same thing jim over to you hey thanks very much
great presentation um looking forward to how we can prevent the next one it looks like things are
being geared up for anything from bird flu to uh or avian flu to plague ebola marburg mers you name
it or they can throw all of it at us um how do we number one if we know our enemy we know we can
stop it is there any chance uh what are your thoughts about declassifying this project if
this is a classified intelligence op we're supposed to get the jfk files released what does the what
will the jfk files if it if it reveals exactly who did the uh the shot from the front of the
head and why that was done and what it has to do with um uh who really orchestrated the rfk shooting
and the mlk and and and other things um how do we uh how does that help us that's a very complex
question um there's so many elements to that a lot of it's going to be how the media frames it
so john actually touched on something really important is that how you phrase the statistics
or what's happened actually makes a really big difference on how people interpret the information
that's really really key i think a big part of the problem is the passiveness that people
now experience so what you've got is you've got people and charles made the rather excellent
observation that most people actually don't know what they believe about the world and in fact they
even know less about what they believe about themselves so a lot of people have been so
conditioned to be in a passive state it's my belief that when people become aware of that and
that's been done to them then they will see a road back to power that's my belief so i think
a lot of the work has to be done internally but i certainly don't i don't think it would take long
i've also i think that we theorized that we could do it for a series of movies
and that's just in a theoretical stage at the moment um it really is i think a lot of people
we've been so conditioned to look to leaders so if somehow a few leaders were able to get together
and you know make certain statements about how we've all been misled etc etc that could have a
very big effect um outside of that i i think it would be a lot of brainstorming gem i think
there's a lot of things that i can you know i could if i i could get through to a single person
i think relatively quickly and i have done um and then that single person will completely
change their belief system but they won't necessarily become a freedom fighter
in a sense a lot of the time they will go to lengths to protect themselves etc
so i think what has to happen is i think a large group of people need to get together
and make a plan and and look at the things that you know i think in a few months we're going to
have it down relatively well about how to shift someone's belief system with external data
you know via the stories etc so then that could be done but i don't think that's enough
i think that a lot of the truth movement is under the illusion that when people know what's going on
then everything's going to change i don't think that's true i could be wrong but i when you look
at communism a lot of people knew before it collapsed and yeah i think there's a lot of
other factors to it um i think it would be a very interesting process there's a term that i came
across this week called imminent critique which i think was toby was it toby young to be one of the
the guys who i monitor i get his sub stack and when i started researching it it's pretty profound
it's it's a way it's imminent critique and it's a way that you and i don't know if you've come
across this john but i think your mind would be very good at it it's it's a way to map out a
system's contradictions so you don't need any external data so the system will literally
collapse its own contradictions um and it looks a very very good method because when you play it
back to the person you're not giving them criticism you're just showing them the flaws in the system
um so that's that's one thing that i think would be very useful well i think that's what we kind of
all did we figured out what the flaws in the system were and especially if you know any biochemistry
you rapidly figure out that yeah well most physicians who understand biochemistry would
rapidly figure out that anti-parasitics are antivirals in many cases and that's why
hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were very useful yeah and and and so then you once you figure out
that that's a real flaw in their their system you know that you know who's lying by the biochemistry
well you see what to add to that because that's a really good point but when
when somebody might suspect that their partner's cheating on them they don't want to believe that's
true so the ability for people to put their head in the sand and do other things there's there's a
lot of i don't know i could explain this in a short term because there's basically that adaptive
unconscious that has a series of processes that are running that literally distorts someone's
perception so if somebody has a real deep need for survival it will literally distort their
perception and the amount of studies they've done in it that they can really predict what's going
to happen when you put enough pressures on the system so you've seen the line length studies
with trying to think of the gentleman that ran those now basically it was a compliance study
have you heard about those jim so i didn't miss the words there was a line length study and i'm
trying to think i've quote with this study so many times but they're late at night the man's name is
but the original studies were done by omar shereef and what it was that they were testing how many
people would answer incorrectly just because the group had answered incorrectly okay so if
you put five actors in a room john do you remember that yeah i don't remember the name i know exactly
one if you can watch the video of it it's pretty i recall what you're saying people in a room
and complying with the lie with the false statements and lines lines on a piece of paper
yes yeah yeah so basically what what you need to do ash that's it thank you lisa jane so basically
solomon ash now solomon ash actually ran those studies because he didn't believe it to be true
which was really incredible so it was by accident that he stumbled across that because shereef had
run a study showing that when people don't know the answer they converge on other people's answers
so they were literally converging on an answer which wasn't true because someone had been placed
to pretend it was that number so ash had theorized that the reason that people were doing that is
because they didn't know the answer so he set up a study where the answer was so obvious and then
he got five people to lie as actors to see if the sixth person would comply and what he found was
that most of the time they did they answered incorrectly just not to be kicked out the tribe
so when john was talking about the different reasons that people would do it and get the
numbers up we've mapped out all the the the unconscious drives for this and it's effectively
approval control survival protection to be part of groups to reproduce all these things these are
the unconscious drives and what it is if you tap into enough of those the person will just comply
in a sense so that's what we we need to understand that unless we tap into those drives people
won't won't literally take control of themselves and i'm feeling and and um we there are many
physicians in this group i'm feeling that there is there may be a way out and i wanted to ask
your opinion about a uh are you familiar with a broad spectrum anti-viral medication that
stops the the replication of that's fda approved and stops the replication of norovirus rotavirus
flu virus even ebola virus and is and is safer than placebo it's called it's called nitroxin and i've
been talking to the group about it quite a bit because it's quite it's quite fantastic how many
of the physicians that i've spoken with don't know about it and i'll put it in the chart
and the thing right now and um and it's it's quite fantastic because um we know we talk about and
this is the ultimate anti-parasitic as well um and it looks like it's kind of being if the intelligence
communities and that's who i believe is behind all this stuff including the manipulation the uh
of the media and all that and and that's the glue that holds the finance the the intelligence finance
guys as well and when they and the little hint is we don't know who did it means the intelligence
guys did it uh we don't know who invented the sars-cov-2 spike protein well they did we don't
know who invented bitcoin well they did we don't know who uh blew up the nord stream 2 pipeline
well they did and we don't know the uh cocaine in the white house well i mean uh if i had cocaine
in my house i'd be arrested and uh if they can't figure it out then uh that means they did it so
our intelligence community really should be held to the carpet here but they also are preventing
the uh treatments from being used and this nitroxinite is really quite quite amazing
because yeah yeah well you see there's a there's a number of biases so we we we're just finishing
an article that is if that was true it'd be on the news so which i'm sure you've all heard a
number of times from people the the availability bias is huge the people and and this sentence
really comes from behavioural science is that thinking to humans is like swimming to cats
they can do it but they'd rather not so basically people take this heuristic that
if it's on the news then it's valid okay so if they haven't heard it on the news then it's not
valid and so this is such a weird thing that the availability bias most people only reach for the
available information that's there so if it's not there to them it doesn't exist so that's why
censorship was such a big problem and that's why the ivomet and everything else that because it
wasn't in their direct focus or availability they didn't look for it okay now anyone with critical
thinking then starts to you know look and starts to look around and ask questions all those things
but that's why no one i mean i hadn't heard of that thing but unless it's on the media
which is pretty much the the corporate media is the main way that people get their information
that for me is the single biggest thing that we can break okay is the people's rely on corporate
media so one of the guys that i managed to wake up he was a member of mensa which i'm sure you
guys know it's like you know you have a super high high q to be there he had enrolled to be
a guinea pig in the jab program okay that's how gone this guy was did he do his membership
maybe uh he then he was arguing with me all the time and he says i'm informed i watch the news
all day well you're misinformed then so i went home and i thought about it and then i i got
together a few true stories on how the media lies and withholds information and all i did was
told in them stories the next time i saw him and then a good few months later i get an email from
him where he says david i owe you an apology he said i thought you were a crank but i was completely
wrong and i've 180'd on all my views and i don't know how much that story had an effect but it was
designed to have an effect but that's why i think shara atkinson's book slanted is really
important and someone did mention something about her that if you can undermine people's
trust in the corporate media and they no longer trust them then that's in my opinion a big part
the job done they're no longer being continually misinformed they're probably going to turn it off
and then all the new conditioning is going to stop working or certainly from the media because a lot
of it's written into the tv shows all right let's move on can i ask one more question about the
smith munt modernization act in the united states are you familiar with the smith munt modernization
act it allows propaganda on the united states citizens and it was sent in by obama in 2013
but trump hasn't revoked it yet well no because well basically propaganda is such a powerful tool
now so there's we did a whole paper on this recently on psychological operations psychological
warfare there's three types of propaganda you've got white gray and black and the black one is when
they lie and that's the most insidious and problematic so when they've got people dropping
dead in the street that really affects people but yeah the obama in 2008 did change the law
to allow psychological operations on the public and i spoke to one of the a guy that was in the
army and that was his job to do that yeah and he he basically spoke a lot about that stuff so he
couldn't he literally couldn't tell any details but what he had to do was talk about that act
because it was all released all right so trump's not going to do everything at once and i'm happy
if that's 51 good now let's move on jim by the way i think this whole issue of getting us to
argue about stuff we can't see including spike protein including viruses is a psyop so jim all
the stuff that you've written all of the the whole game plan it's wonderful because all of
the experts can absolutely obfuscate and we make no progress and we're having a shit fight amongst
each other instead of dealing with the real issues and i remind you of what judy mikovic said to this
group and david i just you know you can quote her on this don't jab anything into your bodies
don't don't you don't need to prove whether spike protein or this or that
unless of course it's an intravenous vitamin c which is a great thing to do which i've done
numerous times so steven we got uh 10 we're finishing in a few minutes david um david i'm
going to quote monty python here and and i'm going to say you're a very naughty boy
i'm going to say you're a very naughty boy because you clearly have not been drinking
enough water because you've been able to sit here for two hours and 20 minutes without going to the
toilet and so there you are i again admonish you for not drinking enough water we're finishing
in 10 minutes steven's going to ask the last couple of questions it's wonderful to have you
i've taken a note there of matt hoye steven this was a suggestion made that chase hughes we come
here on beliefs you know i think beliefs is such a wonderful process david the other thing i want
to mention talking about your note on the mainstream media bobby kennedy told us
steven you will recall this back in 2021 december 2021 it takes five five contrary bits of
information sorry five contrary statements to a belief from five different sources and it was
really struck struck me that idea that if i speak to steven on a new idea and it's the first time
he's heard it no bullshit the fifth time he hears that idea from a fifth source says bobby kennedy
you know that can be so we never know what role we're playing as i've often said in my speeches
people come to me say i changed their lives no i didn't you heard that idea and that just you'd
heard it four times previously what do you think of that proposition of the same message five
different places then enables us to shift that perspective repetition is really key but emotion
trumps repetition hmm yeah no we're on board on board with that but it's very yeah okay because
what happens is it's all to do with the way that the connect and nuance happens so basically
when you're thinking a thought for the first time or really entertaining the thought for the first
time it's a bit like walking through a field so you imagine you've got two foot of grass the more
you walk that path you lay the grass down it becomes easier once that thought has happened a
number of times then there's a thing called ltp which is long-term potentiation which it receives
no resistance so you're not pushing through the grass anymore that makes sense so that's why you
know the third yke and everything else they knew that repetition was really really key
you keep repeating you keep repeating the keep repeating the person has that thought and then
it suddenly feels familiar and true okay but add in emotion and that path gets walked much quicker
so yeah the repetition is real and jason talks about jason bristoff talks about that a lot but
it really is it's about making the pitches in your mind and the more you do something the easier it
gets and that's why these people i mean you know i'm talking to someone that's literally brain
dead at the moment on facebook and and the nonsense he's coming out with but because it's been so
repeated into his mind he's absolutely convinced it's true you know so yeah but yeah repetition but
this is this could play into our hands really importantly orchestration is one of the five
rules of propaganda if everyone that knows what's going on could literally and we we literally wrote
a plan on this where if you could get a group of people group of experts with the data and you come
up with just one or two really key important facts you stick it in a story then you have a
distribution unit and you can get that to millions of people at the same time and everyone's sharing
that same piece of information at the same time in the same day someone's going to get exposed to
it multiple times and then it will hit them that makes sense so you could really hit that five
times the problem is at the moment it's so fragmented and there's so many thousands of
pieces of different information that it's not hammering that five times correct yes that's
right it's a it's a fire hose of it's a fire hose of of information all right steven last
questions to you we're finishing five or six minutes yep so david um are you a psychologist
i can't remember uh no i basically studied a number of other subjects so i described
myself as a behavior and communication expert and there was someone on the call earlier but
has gone now i wanted to ask him so ray fenandes i seem to remember that he presented to us and
he was an expert on mk ultra and so it would so i have noticed he he hasn't been on for quite a
while now he came on tonight i think because in the invitation i mentioned mind control so um but
i don't know can you remember that charles whether ray fenandes raised raised raised from sydney by
the way the um those two astronauts splashed down safely i just saw about six seven minutes ago
what in the studio so ray fenandes he's a sydney guy i thought was a radiologist steven
and certainly interested in all sorts of interesting things he's not the mk ultra guy i was
i was no i think i think so good job i didn't ask them um and uh so uh david i just wanted to ask
you uh so you're interested in psychology and you know a lot about um uh mind control and the
conditioning what was the worst thing in your opinion about 2021 i think that was when we first
met and um you you kind of presented to us in 2021 from memory but it certainly seems a long
time ago but um what was in your opinion what was the most uh the worst thing they did the the people
what was the name of that the nudge unit in the uk was the behavioural insights team
the kids they basically so i interviewed uh gary sidley dr gary sidley he had a paper published
on they basically did lots of freedom of information requests to the sage and the
nudge units and all those things and the it's a it's a sickening read they were basically saying
the children and the young are not scared enough so we need to really scare them
that for me is the most sickening thing is that they they're basically screwing up that they see
they don't really realize you traumatize people in that way you're going to change the course of
their life forever absolutely and and they how many people lost the key years of their life where
were they right where was this being said in emails or what uh yeah they i've got the um let
me find the paper um because gary did a really in fact i could gary did a really
important piece of work on it and it got published um
so yeah so there were some really horrible um pieces of information that were in that
so i'm going to pop that into the chat so is anyone um recording all this somewhere david i
mean is it just kind of do people find this and then it gets lost in the future or is it being
kept by someone well that's a good question i think there i think that you know as we've
matured um we need to start building this you know we need to have most organizations to uh
to record all this well arguably that's our primary duty to record history yeah so then
and there is a chance that i think what behavioral science has done
that i think what behavioral science has done is it's it's revealed the shadow and a lot of
its functions that people like young and foyd theorized about and it's been proven in study
after study and i think that information could actually be for the first time that
humans could learn from history
if that happens then we can stop repeating the same mistakes over and over again
so david um i don't know can you explain so when people are so when people are going through
trauma they might not realize they're being traumatized is that correct so they kind of
there's a survival instinct and yeah well that's the adaptive unconscious we adapt to situations
very quickly so if you if you adapt to a constantly stressful environment you will
adapt to survive in that so when human beings observe the world that doesn't make sense like
the world of 2020 you know um and you're actually living in 2020 then your duty to yourself is to
kind of normalize things as as far as possible so you may not be very happy but you might not
realize how badly you're being traumatized is that correct survival first i'm sorry it's always
survival first so maybe later you do realize and then you think whoa that was a bit scary
a bit more scary than i thought at the time and um so i'm seeing people around me who are
i i didn't realize what was wrong with them but i think they're damaged you know and um but i think
we're all damaged to some extent yeah well you see they've been traumatizing people for decades i
mean watching bambi is traumatizing okay people don't realize the the little things that can
traumatize people sure so so so we're all going through little traumas all the time in in normal
circumstances is that right yeah but there's also a lot of good solutions now that i've been using
a lot of these techniques the last year i have to say i've found more peace than i've ever had
okay in the most disastrous world that i've lived in see the outer world is obviously going to have
effect on our inner world but we can find peace and that was you know somebody put about frankl's
book in there there is a way to basically you know just find a certain level of peace and i think
that has to happen i think there was one quote that said the problem with humanity is that people
can't sit in a room quiet yeah so they don't have that level of peace where they're not causing
problems and you know when you look at modern day society people are going out and spending
money to buy things they don't want to impress people they don't like exactly that's a result
of our conditioning yeah so so what what's the what's the most important thing for us to do then
in your opinion as well you're not a psychologist but you are certainly interested in psychology
well i think understand how we function exactly i've said that i've articulated that and i'm not
it's about having a manual for yourself show if now something works then it's very hard to deal
with it when you then understand how it works then you can fix a lot of any of the the things that
aren't working as you want them to work so david it seems to me that people say we need to kind of
work out what's going on but it seems to me that we need to understand first of all how human
beings function and until we do that we can't really make sense of what's happened yes and
i think it goes even further than that i think that we've been educated
we've been misinformed how we operate sure and i think you know there's a lot of compelling
evidence that has been done on purpose but even if it's done accidental if we're working if you
have a faulty map you're never going to get where you need to get yeah that's the key so the big
part of what we're doing is to to basically give a map of what's going on when you understand that
then literally just as a simple example you know what question is going to get a good response and
what question is going to get a bad response you start but if you don't know what effect any
question will have you can't you know you you can't criticize yourself because you you didn't know so
to a lot of this is is that manual yeah so um about three years ago we met for the first time
and i think we agreed then that the most important thing we could do in the future was to make sense
of it all and we had been propagandized subjected to propaganda all of us and so we needed to
destroy the false narrative which had been created with counter propaganda and so my question is
how much nearer are we three years later or more than three years later actually to getting the
propaganda which is the counter propaganda which is necessary um much much closer okay i'm now
in a position where theoretically where i think we can now make documentaries are much better
to shift people's views um so i've got a couple of filmmakers i'm talking to etc i think there's a
series of things that we can do so we're theorizing you know a knowledge base would be very useful
to know how to um to present the information in a film or short story or whatever for it to be
effective so it's really to take the good information everyone on this call no doubt they have some very
valuable information and it's literally the ability how to get that information in someone's head
and we're really close to being able to explain that in a fine detail yeah so to me it's very
surprising that more people didn't realize that actually uh creating our own propaganda was
important to counter the propaganda to which we've been subjected and which has done so much damage
and um and also as you say i think we need to understand human beings and how they function
how they work and all right they're big questions come on we're going let david go david thank you
so much for for speaking to us and especially that's such short notice like a couple of hours
before wasn't it yeah um yeah it's a pleasure to see you all again um you know great work david
fantastic to have you
yes brilliant and steven well done for organizing thanks everybody and go to tom rodman
video meeting for those of you who have the time david we'll see you next time there will be a next
time lots to talk about because we're going to solve all these problems ha ha absolutely
all right thanks steven thanks everyone bye thanks thank you thank you david