and welcome everybody to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International. In today's discussion,
this group was founded by Dr Stephen Frost almost four years ago with a desire to pursue truth,
ethics, justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government and power over the
years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology. I'm Charles
Covess, the moderator of this group. I'm in Australia. I practiced law for 20 years
before changing career 31 years ago and over the last 14 years I've helped parents and lawyers to
strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. What's his name?
Scott Sharer announces now when he's fighting for justice for his murdered daughter, Grace,
he's presented to us. He has pointed out that again, it's in numerous sources of bad medical
advice, medical called medical misadventure is now the number one killer in America ahead of all
other sources of death. This time we remember Rhinofilmic normally, but we will have a special
reference to Rhinofilmic in a moment. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company. We comprise
lots of professions here and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were
okay. Now many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers as am I. I'm a moderator
and presenter on a program called inform-me.org, a free global education services has been set up
with some of the experts, top experts in the world on health. And the evidence is clear that no
vaccine has ever been tested in the history of mankind properly for safety and efficacy.
If anyone has that evidence, please bring it here. We will happily do a whole show on the wonderful
on the wonderful research that's been done for safety and efficacy on any vaccine.
If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat.
Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that the medical science battle is
only one of 12 battlefronts of this latest world war. The spiritual war is one of the other battle
fronts. The legal war is a third battlefront and there are nine others. There's no time to be
tired. We're some five years into a seven year war. So look after your health, take ever more
health care of your health because the electromagnetic radiation, the toxicity in our environment
is putting ever increasing strain on your body. So you have to help your body do what it needs to do.
Most of us understand the development of science and the science is never
settled. The meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time,
Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts the links into the chat if you are able to
join. We will listen to our guest presenters. Hopefully we've got two, probably maybe even three
because I'll tell you why in a moment for as long as they wish to speak. And then we have Q&A.
Stephen Frost, by Long Established Tradition asks the first questions for 15 minutes. This is a free
speech environment with appropriate moderating. Free speech is crucially important in our fight
to preserve our human freedoms. And with Daisy Papp, our guest, main guest today and my background
both from Hungary, the communist playbook, the dictator playbook is to always commence with the
attack on free speech. Please be aware of that. Similarly, if you're offended by anything, be
offended. We are lovingly not interested. We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say
anything that may offend another. Similarly, we reject the triggering industry. Don't say anything
that may trigger anybody. Both of them are attacks on free speech. However, we come with an attitude
and perspective of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you and enslaves
you. Love on the other hand expands you, liberates you. These twice weekly meetings are not just
talkfests and extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made
by attendees in these meetings. We want you to take some actions from these, this meeting today.
You'll hear what that means. The meeting is recorded, is uploaded on the Rumble channel.
If you have a clever solution to any problems, please put it into the chat. And now welcome to
our guest presenter, Daisy Papp, assisted by Anna Garner. And we thank both of you for giving us
your time. Thank you, Joseph Molotoris for encouraging us to do so. I've known Daisy from
other, oh, in fact, I met Daisy through Joseph some months ago. For the purposes of the recording,
I will share some background about Daisy and Anna Garner. And Daisy was born and raised in Germany,
speaks three languages, English, German, Hungarian, and has spent a lifetime helping others. In fact,
some even state that Daisy is the world's best kept recipe. I love it. Daisy's been a close friend
and confidante to Dr. Rainer Formick and his wife Inca for years. Daisy and Inca speak regularly
on Rainer's situation and together have launched a new initiative to raise awareness on Rainer's
quest for justice. Daisy brings a wealth in special skills to the international community who are
caring, humane thinkers, and has the great appreciation from Inca and Rainer to bring
light and positive energy to the current challenging state for human development.
Daisy founded self-recoding in 2008. The recipe for success to heal the past, clear the present,
create a bright future and save humanity at a rapid pace. Daisy has expensive experience
going through years in exceptional various modalities in training in psychology, neuroscientists,
and she's made justice for Rainer and for Inca, her top priority. She's written dozens of books
and for Inca, her top priority. She's written dozens of letters to world leaders to enlist
them in the success for Rainer's justice, for Rainer's freedom, and for Rainer's health.
She's campaigned diligently keeping her promises and getting responses that will achieve the
results we all share in this forum. Daisy has an impressive track record. She was a signed artist
with EMI Music as a singer-songwriter. Her music is broadcast on radio stations in Europe and the
US. Her visual art is presented at prestigious art fairs and museums in the United States
and collected by art lovers in private collections around the world.
Daisy now lives in sunny Florida and released her newest book in December 2004,
Five Plus Two, The Formula for Life. And Daisy is close friends with Anna Garner and Anna is an
attorney. She was born to a patriotic military family and also has been at meetings here,
hasn't presented, and she lived in Europe for several years as a young girl. She graduated
from University of New Mexico School of Law. Her heart has always been with representing
individuals against institutions. Her love of God, family, and friend freedom make her passionate
about fighting, fighting for our God-given rights as do many people in this forum.
She is now representing an important non-profit in the fight for freedom, US Freedom Flyers,
with whom we've had dealings. And Anna will be a part of this organization managing and directing
future litigation. Anna planned to retire in 2020 but instead was called by God to get into the
court battles for our essential life liberties, i.e. medical and religious freedom, to choose
what medical intervention we will accept. Her first COVID case was filed in New Mexico Federal
Court against the Governor of New Mexico. These restrictions caused far more damage to New Mexicans
than the disease itself. The next case filed in Federal Court was the first case in the world
challenging the experimental COVID shot mandate for first responders. She's been involved in COVID
mandate lawsuits throughout the country as well as in New Mexico. Anna is part of an international
group of freedom fighters who have worked with Ryan LaFolmick to advance the truth about COVID
and expose the lies, as they did in the Grand Jury enactment that was watched live by over
a million viewers in February and March of 2022. That is available on the internet. Someone might
put it into the chat. It's grand-jury.net. Anna is actively working with lawyers and private citizens
across the globe to raise awareness of Ryan's legal imprisonment and the need for outrage
at his treatment. So that's enough introductions and we also thank Ryan LaFolmick, sorry Ryan LaFolmick,
we also thank James Roguski for doing his work in Shining a Light. We thank all of you for any steps
that you have taken to shine a light. Joseph Bolotouris also has been has been an indefatigable
fighter for Ryan's freedom. So Daisy we are in your hands as they say in the classics.
Welcome everyone and thank you so much Charles for the opportunity speaking for Ryan's freedom and
for income. Anna is here now, wonderful. Yeah and thank you Anna that you are here because I think
this is a very very empowering combination because together we are strong and thank you Joseph for
your support and all the others, James Roguski for writing a wonderful article that is just
published today where it is all what you can find how to help Reiner. And I think it is important to
notice that there are so many articles and so many posts regarding Reiner and the case and the
the legal procedures and the legal situation and I do not speak legalese, I speak humaneese
and Anna is here and she shines light on the legal aspect because she has great understanding
for this. I think it is just time that we recognize and acknowledge Reiner did so much for our health,
Reiner did so much for our freedom and now it is our time now that we do much for Reiner's freedom
and for Reiner's health and for Inka's health. So I please I'm kindly asking you to to join Inka and
I on Thursday April 10th Eastern Time 8 p.m. for a workshop that is supporting for Reiner's
freedom and for Reiner's justice and I think you want to know what's the precise date?
The date is April 10th 2025 this is now on Thursday Eastern Time 8 p.m. thank you.
8 p.m. Eastern Time. Thank you. Yes.
You can find all information on James Rogusky's today's article and James I've seen him here
maybe please share it in the chat so everyone can see it and you can also find much information
on the daisypup.com website there is in the foundation in the top menu there is a page for
Reiner's freedom and health and I think it is good that we we ask Anna kindly I ask you kindly
Anna from the legal perspective what is updated because we know that that the defense lawyer
Edgar Simond is a brilliant brilliant defense attorney and he has some good ideas what he brings
into the court to bring much light in there please Anna. Thank you Daisy and thank you Charles for
having us because Reiner is a dear friend I love Reiner I've worked with Reiner since this COVID
nonsense began and as many of you who know Reiner know he has brought a lot of great information
to the world concerning the deceptive agenda that was at play with the court and the court
agenda that was at play with COVID and Reiner will he's got it he's been called by God to do
this I know he has because he's been so instrumental in so many people's lives with this but basically
the just the the background of the case is that he was kidnapped from Mexico pursuant to basically
the German authorities wanting to get him into Germany they did not have an extradition treaty
with Mexico so they had to do it in a surreptitious manner so they did kidnap him
with the Mexican officials assistance took him to Germany and put him in prison he did not have a
trial a speedy trial as guaranteed by the German constitution he he's been in jail now in prison
for over 18 months something that would have broken most people but it isn't had us has not broken
Reiner in fact Reiner insists on showing us that he remains strong as strong as possible under these
horrific circumstances the the civil it was filed this case was filed as a civil matter it never
should have gone to a criminal matter but in Germany apparently and this is different from
American jurisdiction but in Germany you can file a case in civil court which costs some money
or you can file it in criminal court which is free and apparently put some burden on the state
to investigate the case so his former partners with corona investigative committee a couple of
those filed the lawsuit against Reiner and had some other allegations in it that may have risen to
a hint of criminal activity which I fail to see unless we consider some of the monetary
allegations to be fraud and that would be about the only real criminal allegation that could have
been alleged but it's not a criminal case it's a civil case and his attorney very eloquently and
clearly stated that the last time they were in court which was friday we believe because it was
only half a day interestingly that was day 49 of the trial bear in mind he's been in in prison for
now about 19 months he was imprisoned october right around october 13 of 2022
yes that's correct 2022 so 2023 2023 thank you 18 months this is 2025 isn't it our our enactment
was in our grand jury enactment was in 2022 this was in 2023 thank you daisy and uh
uh is his attorney recently pointed out that uh even if you look at the claims these
other attorneys brought as partners in this corona investigative committee they were would not have
been entitled to nearly the amount that they claim uh they claim some outrageous amount because Reiner
did uh have a lot of donations the organization had a lot of donations from people all over the
world who were supporting his work but at any rate he could have been released under the judicial
discretion because the attorney completely blew the case away in terms of the prosecutions case
but um this is not really a case about a civil uh issue it's not really a case about a criminal
issue what it's really a case about is that they want to shut Reiner up and his attorney in the
interview said they did not understand how the the will of the government to completely destroy
Reiner and that's really what's at play they're attempting to destroy a man who is very popular
not only in germany but in the world because of his courageous uh acts in setting up the corona
investigative committee and telling people about the truth through interviewing hundreds of experts
throughout the world who you know gave us incredible information Reiner helped me in the
formation of my allegations and the complaints that I filed because he asked three simple questions
that no one else had asked number one how valid is the pcr test because they were basing all the
cases on that number two how dangerous is this disease really and number three what are the
harms that have come from the uh mandates and and do they outweigh any benefit of course they
they didn't but those three questions needed to be answered and they needed to be answered
in the court in the courts in the courts of america in the courts of other countries so Reiner was
very instrumental in helping us shape our complaints that we filed in in various countries so he's he's
done an incredible job for humanity and he will continue doing that he needs your support
he appreciates letters he's written me back every time i've written him he's written me back he gets
letters out through uh kacha when she visits him she allows him to sometimes dictate a letter and
then she'll have it typed and and sent to me by email so he's he's very very much uh heartened
by the support and the love that people show him and and that's that's getting him through so you
have to know how important that is and let's not forget Inca Inca his beloved wife i've known Reiner
since the beginning like i said and i had the occasion to meet him personally when he was
touring in america in the crimes against humanity uh tour and he invited me to be a speaker in phoenix
when they were there and so i had several meals with Reiner and got to know him personally he is
an outstanding human being as well as a brilliant attorney so i just want to tell you all uh you know
we this is so important the real message i want to say is this could happen to any of us in any
country not just germany um you know we had it in america with our j6 january 6 people uh who were
imprisoned without trial uh my good friend virginie uh the lawyer from paris who participated in the
grand jury enactment was arrested at the conclusion of our grand jury enactment for you know treason
alleged treason um we've this can happen anywhere if they can do this to a man as popular and
personally powerful as Reiner it can do it can happen to any of us
so we need to be we need to have a voice here and and be vociferous and active in getting him released
so i hope i summarized what's going on so and uh we've only we've only got you for the first
hour and then we've got daisy as well and it seems to me unless that you know it'd be great
to focus on the legal questions and while you're here and then daisy we can focus on inca
and you know the spiritual war that's at play here the whole german situation what do you think
anna and daisy i agree to that because anna has a plethora of knowledge and as i said she speaks
very well legally yeah well you know there's uh being a lawyer myself you know i sometimes
who needs to hear from the lawyers but anyway um so what i suggest is um if you have particular
stephen will save you for afterwards it won't give you 15 minutes now for the legal issues
questions because anna i see there are people who say oh no this is very doubtful you know then
there's some there's all sorts of misinformation that gets thrown about um and the other issue
that we've heard is you know it was about a year ago stephen will recall this where i know don't
say anything about rhino because we might upset the german government so so in terms of the
complexity of the legal or the if you like the misinformation that's been tossed about rhino
then people don't find the guy this is a complex legal matter you know just let it go but there's
a whole range of ways and sebastian put it into the chat where the german government has not
followed its legal structure and its constitution is that correct anna well i i don't know
about the the german legal system at any i understand what i like to share that i'm a german
citizen and at this time i am not stepping foot on that country because that is how the
situation there is it is not trustworthy and joseph may also question was directed at anna
yeah thank you anna so there we're good certainly with reiner's case one was the
the
go to germany that
we've got bad reception can you hear me are you in new mexico i am i'm in florida
maybe turn your video off and i apologize uh
i know you can improve the sound quality uh probably by turning off your video
all right can you hear me now
yeah but try try again
a minute right test well you're fine but okay
i better log off and log back in yeah shall i do that try logging out and then getting back in
yeah that might do it it was fine at the beginning but now it's uh pretty bad sometimes you just get
a bad connection bad wiring bad something anna shared with me before she came on the show that
she had the internet reset and she was praying that it is stable again
all right so well uh we've also got dagmar shern here from germany who's also closely involved
in this case sebastian you have your hand up
i actually want to ask i wanted to ask anna a couple of questions
we'll wait we'll wait we'll wait till she comes okay we'll wait till she comes she comes back in
um daisy you know while we're waiting for anna to come in you have been a close friend of inkas for
a long time so you know give us a sense of how she's coping with this because this is difficult
thank you um well this is not an easy time for inca and it's not an easy time for reiner
and what happened to reiner that they really uh they are they're doing a lot for for really
taking his power and taking his strength and his his will and his brilliance and
his brilliance and inca is a very very important key here for reiner i see reiner as a key figure
for for all around the world because he showed how it is possible to connect the dots as anna also
mentioned that reiner helped anna with the case here in the u.s. to shine a light and she was able
to see in a in a new way and in a very very empowering way that also helped for succeeding
with her lawsuits and i think the the main main figure for reiner now emotionally is inca and
she has my full protection and my full support and i do everything and anything because she
when she is empowered when she is energized when she is good when she feels good when she feels
strong then that is what she delivers for reiner and that helps reiner and reiner helps us so i
think this is a wonderful circulation for energy i see anna thank you thank you daisy well well
said anna should we try you again all right can you hear me now yes we can great great we could
probably hear you with um your video now but um we can see no no no don't test it i don't want to
i don't want to risk it sure yeah all right so sebastian had his hand up sebastian question for
anna uh good evening um i have a couple quick questions i'd like to just get through first of
all reiner is still in in the what we call untersuchungshaft so how long is the are they
legally allowed to keep him in jail you know i would have to punt to the german lawyers and i
believe that uh joseph may know the answer looks like somebody's holding up six months as a an
answer um yeah and that's what i'm reading that's from from needle papers that's why i'm asking
because he's been over for for over 18 months now which is uh i mean this is as i wrote in the chat
it's dystopian um is there any way uh he can be visited by journalists for example does he have
any visitation rights to that i'm not aware of journalists being able to visit him we international
attorneys who worked with reiner actually signed various paperwork for kacha to allow us to have
skype meetings with him and uh even despite that we've never been able to have a single meeting
with him and they knew that we were attorneys and we were consultants we offered to be consultants
in his case and even we could not meet with him even over his lawyer as as consultants to his
lawyer exactly and and his lawyers were in agreement that we should be able to do that
well that is a clear violation of our constitution actually of our legal rights
next question is how can we help reiner i mean i was in the last year november i was in geneva
with anna stuttgart berger and peter könig and we had the demonstration in front of the united
nations uh human rights uh headquarters how can we make this more public how can is there anything
that is or going to be organized in the next couple of weeks days uh right now we have various um
um give send go type of uh links to help with uh with the financial burden of the legal assistance
as well as to help inga inca um daisy has a plan which she'll discuss later but you know
yes we need more reporters to write about this uh elsa and i don't remember her last name she's a
german woman who's been covering this quite well uh cilia farber i believe has also covered some
things with reiner concerning reiner uh now james rogowski is so other uh journalists are
starting to to get the word out and we're so appreciative of that but the more people who
can get this out of course the better it is for reiner i would love to embarrass the german
government to the extent that they would finally release him because this is this is deplorable
yeah i think we all want to embarrass the german government and it's not only the german government
it's a deep state i had um norbert actually on uh on an interview on the duran to you know talk
about reiner's situation uh but would it be possible um for you and daisy to also join me
on the duran if we could um get together and i'll share my email with you in the in the chat
because this would be really i mean i've been following reiner filmish and the and the
the covid investigative committee from when it started uh back in 2020 and this this has gone
on for far too long and it's not getting the publicity it needs yes um i think daisy now i'll
speak for myself but i think daisy and i would probably be thrilled to be on as many uh journalist
podcasts that that could get it out as as possible charles gave me the opportunity
last year to be on and speak about it and that was wonderful fantastic thank you book very
so what we're sebastian what we're planning to do here with daisy what we've got ana is we focus on
the legal aspects now but also you know the this question of putting of embarrassing and i like
those terms that term embarrass the german government and so we everybody need we need
your input here daisy's going to share with us when ana has to leave us but let's look at the
list and let's look at the legal side um must have got a hand up which we'll go to in a moment
ana you mentioned funding if you had unlimited funding in legal terms what actions would you
take and one particular that's been we've had a conversation here in this meeting is that rhino
is actually being psychologically tortured that's the definition of torture and that's
constant that's we should be you know the question is what jurisdiction um do we can we take action
in relation to that torture and what other if you had unlimited funds what other legal
remedies have you thought of being possible
well can i ask a question so the united nations rapporteur on special rapporteur on torture
has he or she been contacted
uh someone has been in contact with the common law uh court i think out of scotland that was
some time ago um but i no not common law i'm talking about the united nations special rapporteur
on torture so uh the one of uh one of those people was neil smelter and he got heavily
involved with julian lasange so rina's case is very similar to julian lasange because they're
doing everything illegal you only have to look at the it doesn't matter whether it is civil or
criminal the fact is they kidnapped him across international borders that's highly illegal in
every jurisdiction and so but similar so the other one who stands out is um julian lasange
and the question is why are they so intent on silencing rhino what is it about him is it his
past record um you know he defeated a deutscher bank he also defeated a volkswagen in two huge
uh cases um is that why or is it because of his work in 2020 and 2021 with the interviews which
i agree were very important um so um but the united nations rapporteur on torture should have
been contacted i told um katia and someone else a year ago more than a year ago about this and
and i don't i don't know whether it's been done but it should have been done and uh you know not
just one letter but several letters going to even when steven steven may say well they you may say
well they wouldn't do anything you know when we wrote we can but you have to kind of record this
that they did wouldn't do anything like contacted them several times nothing done and show them
steven steven we're doing strategies after ana leaves you've raised the issue we got hands
you can't separate the law and you know yes you can no you can't okay
i would like to have more information about that and if somebody could put it in the chat about
who exactly we would write i would be happy to uh set you know send that out to supporters of
reiner so um so and i know i know doctors who are heavily involved with the uh united nations
rapporteur on torture so we could get all them involved and we so i formed the group doctors
for assange and that was our strategy and we um heppered uh various uh organizations and people
around the world with the fact that the united nations rapporteur on torture had found this and
he found that against what had happened and so you know i'm not saying the united nations is the
answer to everything but it's certainly a big thing that needs to be considered thank you we'll
look into that definitely definitely so we have masher your hand is up and then nadia
hi hello thank you hello everybody uh you mentioned it already charles you just wanted to
to to add something uh sometimes some time ago a month ago i involved two recognized
human rights defenders who are quite known in europe and if i say recognize recognize
official as such and i asked them for an evaluation and the evaluation brought up that what is being
done to reiner as white torture so breaking him psychologically there are some specific facts
there is really very detailed very beautiful document to be used they're going to use uh just
as an example rain has been a solitary confinement for months and it is a torture if the solitary
confinement is longer than 15 days as far i remember it's been like about four months without any
contact he was even not permitted to meet other folks in the prison on the on the floor
so if he had to be moved from a to b he was to be alone on the day of his 66th birthday
he was moved from his cell to a different one because from his cell he would have seen
people congratulating him singing for him supporting him so it was one of the most brutal
things being done to him this is torture psychological torture and the most brutal thing is that he
wanted to say goodbye to his mom and he was only permitted to do so in
and accompanied by the police which he didn't want to do to his mom so he didn't say goodbye to her
she died without having seen her son so all of these things are actually part of their
of their evaluation and another question yes there were several letters sent to the
special rapporteur of united nations and there were no reactions so it is already documented
and we just we're just going to keep going we're going to send letters again and all again good
good thank you masha thank you so i can help with uh letters that we've got two
huge we got two letters published uh in the lancet of all journals the the medical journal the lancet
on psychological torture of durin osange so this is highly relevant it's been i mean and there
were huge letters there were like 30 pages long both of those in february and june of 2020 and i
did offer these to kathja and to her assistant whoever that was but nothing happened so nadia
thank you charles so um yeah question for for aina or ana not sure how i say if you pronounce your
name correctly but um how is it even possible i mean the question was before from sebastian that
or the statement made that actually they exceeded the allowance to keep reiner in prison so from a
legal point of view how can they justify to still keep him in even solitary confinement for so long
like i don't yeah i mean i've been following the case for a while and like sebastian i've been
following the corona investigative committee from the start and it helped me kind of you know
basically keep sane so like for all the wonderful i mean i can see the threat but they obviously he's
been accused of something totally different i mean it had nothing like it was to do with the
corona investigative committee but not of what he's done as part of the committee about the money but
yeah how can they still keep him on what grounds are they keeping him still in prison the the
grounds do not seem to be the important issue here the issue is that reiner is a threat to the
deep state and this particularly the government in germany uh also you know he was uh and joseph
knows more about this but reiner was uh elected the leader he and vivian fisher were both elected
leaders of the da's buses did i say that right uh grassroots political organization and i think
they were very close to having the numbers required to actually be recognized as a political party
so reiner is a very popular and uh threatening individual to the government just as you know many
of us who've taken on this work uh have threatened the government because we're going against the
state narrative and we're dismantling their lies so it's not it's not a matter of having you know
judicial rationale they don't care they absolutely don't care and you know they put him in shackles
a peaceful attorney a peaceful man they put him in shackles and they've been doing this
for a very for several months many many months uh because a judge felt threatened after reiner
said something in open court to the effect of that you will be held accountable for what you're doing
and that was not a threat to any judge personally but the judge said that he felt threatened and
then reiner subsequently had to appear in court with shackles and you know the around his waist
around his legs getting on a chair every day that he appears in court being shackled with his hands
behind him his feet it was it's it's horrible um there are many many instances of abuse that he
has undergone and no there's no justification for what's happened to him not at all and if you look
in the chat you'll see the um i managed to find an email which i'd sent to someone i've crossed out
the name and so you can use those links they are very useful to you i know they will be
and and just a follow-up question do you think that the rke leaks uh will actually
help in any way with his case or is that um i mean yeah do you think that has any
any meaning or probably not that the wiki leaks no the from the robert koch institute like those leaks
i'm not sure what leaks you're talking about okay links yeah i know the yeah very important
nadiya explain for anna yeah so um there was a whistleblower at the robert koch institute
in germany and um the uh so the robert koch institute is similar to the um like cdc i think
it is in the u.s and uh he released all the papers that everything that happened during the corona
so-called um pandemic or pandemic uh actually was all government led so there was no scientific
rigor to it at all and the institute basically just followed orders as well
but yeah if you haven't looked into it um and and maybe steven like knows more about it in that
regard but uh like that yeah it would be probably also interesting to look into it and see if it
may help the case as well but given that the whole judicial system in in germany is totally i mean
again you know like there's no distinction anymore and they still just seem to follow orders which
we've seen with a judge who has been um still prosecuted in germany uh so it's um it's a
difficult one but i think like every maybe every little bit helps to make his case and help him
yeah thank you thank you yes and you realize i'm not i'm not helping with his defense or anything
because i'm not in germany or speak german so his but his attorney who's handling this the attorneys
handling it i think are doing the best they can given the circumstances and i was very pleased
to hear about the recent uh i would say clarity and uh presentation that uh and i'm going to
mispronounce it daisy was trying to tell me how to pronounce his name seasmund seamund seamund
uh did on friday so uh the he's it's in capable hands as far as i can see um and still there is
no justice well ana there's only one thing that's going to get reiner out of prison and that's public
pressure and there's remarkably little effort in my opinion to inform the public about what is going
on that is why writing letters uh to like the lancet for example because there were 250 psychiatrists
and doctors from around the world uh writing to uh the lancet about psychological torture
and physical torture of julien nassange and that's the kind of pressure and eventually they have
even with julien nassange they had to let him out uh so now they've started on this road in my opinion
it demonstrates that there's something that they want to silence him about whether he won two cases
before or whether he's talking to bobby kennedy jr as he was just before he was arrested uh you
know there's some things they want to keep him out of the picture and there's only one thing that's
going to get him out and that's public pressure all right hang on sebastian then mascha and we've got
and of another eight minutes any other legal questions sebastian um and i would just want to
say the uh the united states is actually also involved in this because he was extradited from
from mexico to i believe it was new mexico or arizona so the u.s deep street is definitely
involved in this um on that basis even a court case could be made in the united states as he
did touch american soil um you're saying after he was kidnapped from mexico they landed in yes
the u.s before going to frankfurt yeah they landed in arizona i think before they furthered
on to to germany according to to the sources that i've heard from so that might be a something to
investigate and that would get the american legal system the federal court's definitely
involved with that uh the i want to comment on niels melzer who was and i emphasize he was the
u.s special rapporteur on torture he is no longer since 2022 the new person is is dr alice jill
edwards and she's from australia um she is now the the rapporteur so maybe we be we might be
able to even invite her to uh get her expertise on uh on the committee here very good question
last last point sorry last point debas is the party that he actually created and was supposed
to be put up into the german in general elections this year i was looking for it and i do have the
ballot i took a picture of the ballot his party was not posted on the ballots so i call foul play
in this but we know that sebastian we know it's foul play we know it's torture it's not a question
of whether it is or it isn't it's exactly like during the massage so the question is why was he
kidnapped in the german embassy in mexico or from there as i understand it and then taken to america
i've forgotten that detail he has taken to america whether he was so he was on american soil the
plane was on american soil so it must have been okayed by the american government so was the
german government doing this on on behalf of the american government if so that needs to be exposed
but nothing's been done anyway i think i have i have to say this i think it is because
after deutsche bank after vw i think covid was the third rail one of the largest industries in
the world and and attacking them the pharmaceutical industry as well as the deep state i think that is
the reason they wanted him out because they knew he could win and folks if we're honest every time
i don't remember which which which american said it but once a government has been corrupted it is
the people's duty to overthrow that government and with his investigative committee and with
with icic he could have you know created a new legal court system also by constitutional law
so enemies of the state foreign and domestic
thank you sebashtan that was thomas it seems to me that the real problem for us
is that they acted against reiner before he was very well known and okay who's well known amongst
us yes but but um so they could get away with it so i'm talking about the 90 now who chose to
get vaccinated or whatever it is you know but he was known amongst the 10 but if you ask my wife
for example she wouldn't have a clue who is um and there are many others who are vaccinated
anyway you keep asking you keep asking an answerable question steven hold on to that we're
gonna have we'll have daisy back in a moment we're losing honor in five minutes masher has got a hand
up um i just would like to address the question how is it possible what kind of jurisdiction it is
i realized talking to another employer that she was not aware maybe you are not aware as well
that in germany judges as well as state prosecutors including general prosecutor or
bundesstaatsanwalt they are employers of the state they get salaries they are absolutely dependent
you might not be aware but the european um court in luxembourg prohibited to german state
prosecutors to do international arrests based on their dependency on the state executive
so and another term i would like just to mention this point is show process this is what it is show
process not show but show show is more like exposing someone it's about punishing one
to teach thousands and the definition for show process might be this this is already concluded
before it even started so it doesn't look really well for rhino but yes with public pressure
international public pressure he might have the best chance not with their legal system in germany
it's gone i agree i agree it's going to be with public pressure not with the legal system it's
obvious it's not well yes so sarah in the chat has got it right in my opinion she says get trump on
this and challenging challenge him to get him out yes exactly that's the strategy or should be i by
the way excuse me i put the address of the special reporter in the in the in the chart excuse me
thank you all right and the last couple of thoughts because you have to go in there one hour
and then we'll give it back to daisy in terms of potential of raising the public profile and would
you like to say anything i just appreciate all of you being here and uh throwing around ideas that
can help us all we have been uh looking at some very uh notable journalists in the united states
that have international reach i'm not at liberty to say anything at this point we are looking at
connecting with uh people in high levels of the current administration so uh believe me daisy is a
one woman spiritual army here in terms of her reaching out to a lot of people in the current
administration and we are doing what we can and so your involvement please is to write as many
letters as you can write them to officials uh in our administration as well as the german government
do what you can to keep reiner spirits good in terms of writing him and and expressing the
support that you have for him this is not going to be this battle is not going to be fought
in the court system as much as it is in the divine system and daisy will be talking about that but
this is a spiritual battle and it has been it's obvious that it's been a spiritual battle from the
beginning of the covet deception so uh your prayers are very very much needed as well so i
thank you for being here and for your continued prayers for reiner thank you for having me
thank you do you have the have you seen in the chat that i put the links to the um letters to
the huge letters to uh the lancet yes i've made a uh point to copy the chat so i now have i will
have the chat entirely thank you very much and so i think it's very important that you know anybody
in this group could write a letter which might make the difference we have no idea but i think
ana that you should and together with others but not too many because i think it needs to be
someone well chosen to make the the essential points it has to be extremely well structured
the the official letter on behalf of reiner yes thank you steven um i'm going to be looking at
that and sharing it with my colleagues and you can use any ideas that you can find in those lancet
letters wonderful thank you so much i appreciate and i could actually get the whole group going
again on behalf of reiner that would be wonderful yes thank you so much but it's a big job it's a
massive job it is a massive job yes but we could do it you know okay yes don't lose heart we we can
do it but it's been way too long for reiner and he's not losing heart he's very strong he's always
encouraging us attorneys to you know keep the faith because when he gets out he wants to
work with us again in in raising awareness of all of the things that we need to raise awareness
around so sure he's he's staying strong and uh despite the the white torture so i suggest that
you show those letters the lancet letters to reiner and ask him whether i don't know whether
you can talk about things like that but okay well his his letters are not not private so uh
you know but we might be able to get it through uh through his wife potentially so well we published
everything actually with with um juno nassange it's very important that we fight back
because at the moment all the american people who are very active behind trump they don't know
anything about this if they did there's plenty of people there's plenty of people who know and
look how long it took to get assange out and in the end in the end he had to plead guilty
so it takes time so it's not true that nothing much is happening lots is happening and we're
going to keep going harder and harder and we've got to clearly steven you got to stop buying all
those german condoms we're going to boycott german condoms
that's fine thank you very much we'll see you guys later
can i make a suggestion sorry i i cannot see in my system to activate it
good i'm gonna just put my i want to put my video on so i can say goodbye to you i don't see where i
it is it is judge fonso that is speaking judge fonso are you a judge yes congratulations in
which jurisdiction africa africa thank you um i've put out quite a number of um orders against uh the
covert vaccination that's why africa is most likely the lowest vaccinated portion in the world
um we do have a problem with uh what we call the deep state and they never identify
but the deep state is known it's a committee of 300 um our friend has done quite a lot of work on
that so i do have a list of the committee of 300 members and some other documentation and the
involvement in the criminal gang which is called the cia which by definition is a terrorist
organization which i declared also so in the previous previous orders
so my suggestion would be i can make all this information available and let's move forward with
uh letters of objection to the committee of 300 so that their names become known in the press
otherwise they will continue to hide behind the facade of the government's we say all control
because each and every one in in the german government is just another puppet
yeah adrian that's fantastic if you have that and i'm uh with the work that daisy's doing
adrian can can you send i'll link you up with daisy because that information of those names would be
happy to liaise with you steven and i and daisy and shining a light on that and you know that
that's a that's a that would be a wonderful valuable step thank you
so uh if you adrian if you put into the um chat there for me then just do send me a direct message
then just do send me a direct message and i'll link you up with with daisy and i think daisy i
hope you understand the value of the committee of 300 i'm sure you've heard of the committee of 300
in the journey of the people who are really pulling the strings and um i might i might um
yeah we'll we'll i've got some thoughts that i don't want to publish all right so thank you
thank you adrian send me a note and we'll do that linkage daisy that is that is gold to shine a
light on these people so we're in your hands now daisy in terms of this in terms of strategy we'll
have the the opportunity to brainstorm what your strategy is the dozens of letters that you've
written and you know what you would like people to do people who are watching this recording so over
to you well i think it is a good idea to have a look where do we invest our energy in
and that is a question every single one of us every one of us and together we can think for that
now simply put the mind cannot be positive and not positive at the same time
when i'm occupied with the not positive then i'm i'm putting my energy there and i believe that we
all in reiner's case and for reiner we have we have invested so much energy into the not good
which is of course important to bring light to what is not good and put it in the spotlight and
and share it with the world and show it but i think that we now we are the many
we are the many and when we join our energy together and start speaking about what we
really want to live what we really want the mind as i say is it it cannot be positive and not
positive at the same time so all the thoughts we are thinking and the many words and caring
suggestions that i'm hearing here and thank you for for having me here what are we feeding which
energy field are we truly feeding with this and i think it is just about time it is it is high time
now that we we very clearly speak and say what we do want and stop speaking about what we do not want
because i give a very simple example when i now say to you please under no circumstances under no
circumstances think about the little kitten that i saw playing yesterday with the little
squirrel on the tree and the little kitten thought it was his mommy i know exactly what
you're thinking because i i give you signals verbally you hear it acoustically and it decodes
in your mind into pictures and pictures are connected with the bodies the the feeling that
the body produces that they match and therefore then we feel a certain way great example with the
lemon i'm i'm slicing my lemons and in the kitchen and you see me squeeze it because i measure it in
the measuring cup and i squeeze some more and then i drink a sip of this lemon juice and i suck on the
lemon peel and you now most likely your saliva production increased where is the lemon it's
it's here in your mind now while we are while we are investing time with
with solution finding by speaking about what's not good how are we manifesting the good
and in kind i we invite on thursday april 10th at 8 p.m eastern time for for a workshop that
that in kind i offer and bring into this world so that that all you good-hearted people who intend
well and want good into this world that you know how to utilize simple and easy tools
that you know how to focus on what is good and no longer and never again focus on anything else but
only on the good and it is very simple with with five easy words and two simple words
and once you see that
i circle back to 2020
many people i work with and i'm i'm in connection with and are are supporting the
the initiative that incand i bring into this world we agree that what happened in 2020
was not happening when we know how to trust how to measure trust and most importantly trust ourselves
when i don't trust myself i'm seeking and hanging on to so many things that are not good
when i trust myself and i know how to i've television pardon me keep going keep going yeah
so um we we can certainly take our power for ourselves so that together for each other we
we create the world as peacefully and lovingly and caringly as we wish it to see and wish it to be
and that is what what i wish to inspire every soul when you really want good then your behavior
will show that is i've seen so many people they they wrote and they sent emails and they sent
they sent letters and they called me and messaged on social media and they said yes stacy i have a
contact i'm doing this i help you with this and when they when they do not follow through in a
timely manner then that is their choice and it shows me how trustworthy they are so therefore i'm
i'm gaining even more energy and i save even more energy for focusing on the good
and when when 100 people do this let's imagine we are we are we are 2000 people 20 000 people
that has such a ripple effect that is enlightening and inspiring because when i tell you do not
we see it in the in the popular books around the world to do not this do not take their 10
10 special commands and and in other other books there are different versions of it and and there
it says do not with the wife or do not take anyone else's property or do not not tell the truth
and what happens around the world that it does not work when we continue standing
but but daisy we're not we don't want to be good to our enemies and the trouble is
we want to be good for ourselves together for each other well yes but we can't hang around
too long for doing that so so we have to decide uh who the bad people are and we can't agree on
that so um okay i respect that i respect that look i think we all each have a gift we bring into this
world and many of us have many gifts and when we bring these gifts together for each other not i
bring my gift for me no i bring my gift for you i bring my gift together for each other and when
we all do that we are so empowered and so strong and that is what what what supports me and what
energizes me continuing writing dozens dozen letters many dozen letters to leaders in the
world and yes donald trump was made very well aware of the situation with reiner and also aware
that reiner is friends with bobby f kennedy junior and and there are many other people
who are made aware the good news is that there is there is one that it surprised me in a very good
way kesh patel he responded and inquired more information you can find letters for the leaders
or letters written to leaders on behalf for reiner's freedom on on the foundation menu now
i i have heard um that
that many are are curious and and want to know more of what is what is with reiner and how is he
doing and how is inka doing and i wish to share with you that that inka is not doing well and
reiner is not doing well and we all must come together now when if not now and who if not us so
um the human rights for the un i heard someone asking ana regarding that we are in connection
with um with many from their institution in geneva and i can clearly say based on their behavior and
the words they are using the bureaucracy is stronger than they and i think that because it
is urgent and reiner's freedom is my my absolute priority i think that it is a good idea when we
when we are pioneers and find new ways and and think think wide and think free what is it that
we can do what is it that i can do what is it we together can do for reiner for each other and the
um lady i think nadia maybe what's the name when she asked about the rki files if that helps we
wrote several letters from my foundation and the daisy pub mindset evolution foundation several
letters to to leaders in germany and people with ranking position that are decision makers and can
influence reiner's freedom in a good way the the coronavirus pandemic committee final
what was the name of that maybe joseph please help me the 520 pages um final closing statements
they they had this research done that is public since december the third so ever since everyone
around the world knows um what or can find the information what um what the virus was and what
reiner did and actually that even proves more that reiner was right from the beginning with all the
findings and all the questions he raised and all the interviews he conducted with the corona
investigative committee and also icic and um joseph you're you're referring can you hear me
yes thank you you're referring to the congressional report that is a report yes final report i think
that was it's called thank you very much yes and that is that is public it's a it's public and
and we made it we made many people aware of this we also made aware viviane fischer of this there's
a letter that is public and published on on the foundation website in the menu letters to leaders
when you scroll some of them are translated into english some of them remain original german and
there is there is so much we can do and i think when we say okay let's let's once a week for 30
minutes all we do we bring the good ideas we bring the good ideas everyone can do this this
come together with your friends with your families with with good humans in your communities at work
outside of work and in your leisure time and and really have these inspirational
ecstasy moments where you just solely bring the good into the world and you will be surprised
what ideas come to you and through you and what dots you are connecting you are capable
every one of you is capable of having outstanding wonderful really peace-bringing ideas and
i wish i wish this is um these are seeds that that i saw and now can i can i say something to
follow up on that can i just say something crazy hang on stay don't need any we don't need any
lectures on steven quiet joseph's first thing you ask i think i think it would be very useful
daisy if you could share a couple of those letters with this group because they're
extraordinary letters that approach these very important people around the world in a way that
they cannot ignore so you're not making any political statements you're not
ideological at all in your approach but instead you're appealing to them as human beings and to
their humane values and that is the kind of thing that they will respond to no matter whether they're
german or they're american whether they're left wing right wing it doesn't matter
the personal appeal to their conscience and to their humane values is the key
thank you is it enabled for sharing video charles uh yes one moment it is just a second
and
can you see the screen so here here you see um i i think what a good idea is to to see
the letter from february 24th to the u.s embassy in berlin and i copied president donald trump
jd vance vice president uh pan bondy attorney general of the united states jf kennedy jr
rf kennedy jr caspatel and dr kathrine valman minister of justice in lower saxony where
where reiner is and so here you see i'm sharing a little bit who i am and so my name is stacy
puppet i'm close friends with dr reiner fulmi the german american lawyer wrongfully incarcerated
in pretrial detention at the high security prison in most of germany lower saxony for over 16 months
since his wrongful abduction from mexico i'm also a close confidant of his wife inca who languages
and under difficult circumstances in mexico suffering terribly from the separation from
her beloved husband they must be reunited and allowed to heal the cause of dr reiner fulmi is
a shocking scandalous example of political persecution in the 21st century we all heard
vice president vance's speech before the munich security conference followed by his attendance
at the cpac where he cited instances of unjust treatment of individuals throughout europe
and he cited the object failings the abject failings of european governments to act on
behalf of the citizenry to ensure freedom of speech nowhere in this is more obvious and
obvious than in germany today i ask you graciously urgently send trial observers to göttingen where
the scandalous show trial of the brave highly intelligent and noble hero dr reiner fulmi is
being held dr reiner fulmi researched and exposed the truth about covid and much more
furthermore he enlightened the whole world about what really happened and happens saving millions
of lives around the world as dr reiner fulmi's mistreatment is even more egregious than the
example cited by vice president vance recently him being placed in solitary confinement for months
to end and to end and his life being in danger i am kindly asking you from heart to heart from
human to human to utilize your power and heart to shine a light and free dr reiner fulmi by sending
trial observers now this is one of the many examples um here what i wrote to to pam bondy
um joe rogan i'm i'm asking kindly that he's shining a light on this then marco rubio where
i'm sharing with him that i think it is a good idea to see value the value reiner is is a very
very valuable uh human uh and a great asset as as a consultant for any presidency especially the one
that is currently here in the u.s i think um then here first in gloria fontana taxes she is a
she is a highly renowned aristocrat in germany and she's she has wide reach and influence and i
wrote also i'm writing to reach her humane uh see the humane essence in her that is that is i think
then here j.d vance that i am i'm congratulating him that he that he wrote that he spoke so nicely
in in munich at the security conference and i am drawing his attention on the circumstances and
reiner's um reiner's situation i have met with congress people and senators and bring that in
person uh to their attention then i'm writing uh for elon musk and i think when we think out
off the box so here this is the very first um when we knew that donald trump was elected that is when
i wrote the first letter on behalf for reiner to donald trump and there are many the german
uh president state um this is here is um in in germ an english language translated then
frank rosenbach a attorney who um who supported uh viviana fischer and i wrote him that he pleased
forward my letter to um to viviana and actually here's this final report uh i just see that um i
will copy it and post it in the in the chat and a letter to viviana fischer and the minister of
justice in germany and so i'm the ministry of justice in in lower saxony so there are
plenty full letters and um and so on i can go on and i think um which is which is uh important
that to see that responses when i receive responses or when when when responses are
being created for me that i see that they have a very different tone because they see that i see
them as human and so we meet on that on that human level and i think i consider that very healthy and
i consider this very peace bringing um for for reiner and joseph um charles i'd like to to
invite joseph to um to share a bit more oh i is he here yes here he is is that fine with you charles
is that good with you yeah absolutely joseph if you would please like to say anything
um why don't you take the question first and then i'll chime in okay there's a question there
daisy daisy your letters for the people who said can we have can they have a look at the letters
that you've sent or precedents so that they can use them for their own letters and that's a great
idea and we circulated your letters in the invitation everybody back in february um in
the invitations to these meetings but of course some people didn't get those invitations but daisy
if you can post anything that you would like people to use as a precedent in the chat please do
or we can put it onto the um to the website page the web page that we're using or here which in
fact we probably should do when i think about it what we'll do daisy is the letters that you want
to put up onto the site where we promote these meetings we've got we can have a purpose so we've
got zoe smith's material there we can have your letters there and that becomes a permanent reminder
of what we do what we fight for rhina thank you thank you that is a wonderful opportunity
thank you thank you now now so daisy tell us when you're finished because then steven frost will
ask the first series of questions and then we'll go to other questions okay so yes yes so it's up
to you to say rona i'm now ready for q and a yes i think i would um i really invite you to
to help inca and and support this rhino is is prominent and rhino is very powerful he is an
example um how strong he is in the circumstances he is he's in right now he he now encourages us
to to to be together and and to bring good into this world together and i feel very very humbled
by his courage and his strength and he is a wonderful example and um when he's free he's
he's like a racehorse he will he is running and fast and he is brilliantly thinking and doing all
all he can and he has proven that he can so please support inca when we support inca inca
supports rhino in in a one-of-a-kind way because he's she inca is his wife and a very very
empowering emotional um support for rhino and this is i think how we manifest rhino's freedom
thank you thank you for for all your help very good very good well done well done all of the
steps that that you are taking your commitment to this it's um now one thing that you might would
might i've got a couple of things i might get you to talk about but stephen first you next 15 minutes
is yours just a second just two seconds um so um daisy hi um thank you for coming to speak to us
um i would suggest and look i don't think um i think it's very important that we have the courage
to say what we really think and there's absolutely no point in me agreeing with you when actually i
think you you are a kind of leader daisy so but you missed the point rather so you you were talking
to us trying to teach us about goodness but actually and you weren't going to show us your
letters i don't think when actually your letters were perfectly okay i mean obviously they could
letters can always be improved it's just a matter of opinion um but i think your strongest point
are your letters not telling people to be good and to seek goodness in others we all know that
in this group so um so and also you know we've been battling for four years with this
so we don't need any lectures on how to be good i did try to say that early but i think charles
muted me so um so we all have different opinions about how things should be done
but i think it's very important so you're on this channel now i'm saying that you should concentrate
on the letters but maybe get a bit more focused obviously you can disagree with me but rather than
i think your strongest point is your letters the fact that you've written to these people
that's exactly what but i would publish them i would publish them and also have you written
twice to people like joe rogan or have you just sent one letter one letter is not enough
well um there this is a selection of published published letters and there are many more that
are written and archived i'd like to respond to your observation um that you perceive
my words as teaching or lecture i'm inspiring and whoever you're not inspiring us in me because i
know all the stuff you're talking about my my um my standard um is is in communication is understand
and be understood without the need to be right and i offer and who feels like this is this is
something they want and it feels good for them they will gladly take it and that is what my offer
is for and it's like when you walk into a supermarket store and you just like this specific
item i do not stand there and complain that this item is there and why this item is there i move
on and i go to the item that i like and i take that yeah but we know that it's obvious this daisy
so the point is the point is that i see i'm just telling you what my opinion is because people are
very bad at giving their real opinion and i don't want to you're our guest so i don't want to not
help you but i'm just saying that i think you should you should concentrate on your letters
and the strategy surrounding the letters because your job is to inform the public essentially
and you need to publish these letters somewhere and the the bigger the like we we aimed for the
lancet and to our surprise the lancet actually published the letters about juno song about the
psychological torture of it was a brilliant strategy i think it wasn't just me there were
other people who agreed and we just did it and you have to so i'm i'm not saying that anyone has
all the answers i'm just saying that it's not you know to a group like this i think you need to know
your audience we've been battling for four years and we know all about the spiritual dimension you
know i didn't know anything about spirituality prior to this group this group four years ago
but we've had so many different guests from different backgrounds that we've learned together
and the idea i've realized now that the idea was always to get to the truth or to get as near as
possible as human beings can to the truth and so um i'm just a bit frustrated that you don't seem
to see your strongest point anyway that's all i've got to say i appreciate your your view and
i appreciate your compliment on the letters sure okay thank you stephen and sebastian
sebastian you you are muted sebastian
thanks stephen i hit the button but it didn't it didn't hit it so um hi again daisy and uh thanks
thanks for all all that you're doing and all you've said i did notice that you wrote a letter to
viviana fisher and um if i correctly heard or understood that she is actually in some form
involved with the with the reiners prosecution or with the with the alleged accusations um
has she has she come out and said anything about all of this that is happening has she offered any
form of assistance assistance for assistance to get him out of jail to you know clarify the situation
now well that was exactly my letter about that is what i'm writing to her to to stand and um be kind
and and and speak the truth because i think she is in a in a position that she she has a key that
is very helpful for opening um reiner's freedom and a follow-up is um have any apart from cash
betel have any of those letters been answered especially what would be interesting is from
the german legal system from the jury justice office etc yes yes there were responses the
the german ministry of justice has responded that it's none of their business and it is the state
ministry of justice so i wrote to the ministry of justice in lower saxony and they responded that
they took this as a as a as a complaint which i then clarified this is not a complaint i wish
to share awareness and bring awareness for them and the if the responses were were brief and
acknowledging so they are very well aware of that besides that also there are letters and there's
communication with leaders in the rfd germany german alternative
thank you and well there are many other letters that that are that are archived and received yes
okay thank you again daisy so much thank you sebastian thank you for your support so daisy
the question that's asked is how do people join the event on the 10th of april yeah when you
go on james rugaski's article that he shared then it is it is featured there when you scroll
there's support for reiner and then there's the workshop and i'm or you go to daisypup.com
and then on there's a picture with reiner and inca and then when you scroll there is the workshop
and you can sign up there for it beautiful thank you thank you excuse me i'll put link to james
rugaski article into the chat good thanks masha carrie oh sorry you want the link
or go to daisy's website daisypup.com carrie
hi um i i was thinking and and again usually these should be in forms of questions i realize but
um you know trump is negotiating tariffs right now and i'm thinking you know that that should
be linked in there we have a political prisoner who is a u.s citizen who resided in california
in prison in germany and we will not give you good terms on this on the tariffs to the u
unless you release him that's my thinking okay thank you so i'm going to be advocating for that
reiner is german citizen but i think he is also u.s he lived in u.s for a long time no he's not
a u.s citizen he's not he doesn't have dual he's not an american citizen okay well now that
complicates things a lot but he was living um but he was working he was living in california so he
had a green card right but just not citizenship reiner is german citizen that is um what i share
here oh you don't okay you don't share anything else got it got it um yeah i was just wondering
daisy no he must have a german citizen yes but he must have a green card
u.s citizen but he should have a green card in order to have lived in california as long as he did
yes so i i don't know why we can't share certain things but i'll respect that and i'm going
to um lower my hand thank you very much for what you're doing i really do
but carrie that's very important because permanent residents in other words someone
who's got a green card uh they don't have quite the rights of a u.s citizen but they have
pretty near the same rights steven um reiner is german citizen and has um and that is his
citizenship he has no residency elsewhere so how is he working in california how he he's he's
licensed there everyone can have a license okay well he couldn't stay i can't remember the figures
now but you can't stay more than he can't have a license if he isn't um if he doesn't have the
right he he cannot have practice law in california right unless he has permanent residence i don't
and a green card at least i would think and lately yeah but he i i i think that needs to be clarified
because i really think trump could help yes and that would would be a lever leverage you know okay
okay i agree carrie thank you thanks carrie cilia
uh yeah thank you daisy for
everything you're doing i um i when i was returning from sweden recently on the sorry let me turn my
volume up a little bit i uh had a chance to reread the document either you or joseph sent me called
it's called reiner fulmich something like complete summary up to february 3rd and it's 13 pages
and upon like being in the plane and having total focus and time so much in that document jumped
out at me as bombshells that i hadn't quite understood the bombshell nature of it including
this document that i don't know if reiner unearthed it but it was about it's it was point blank black
on white concession by the german deep state that they had set reiner up is this ringing a bell
that they had in writing said we've got to get this guy and we've got to get him on yes right
right that's serious bombshell stuff so my question is sorry but who did you write this i
don't remember who wrote it but it needs i wonder if that document couldn't i you know i've done
i've gotten the story placed here and there but i not it didn't catch fire like greg reese did two
reports um we got joseph and anna on caravan to midnight but then they didn't follow through so
it's like we want a few sources who will keep spread the fire we want it to spread like a fire
and i think if that document can be used as a fire spreader to light the fire and really because
journalists and producers are always looking for bombshell stories and even i even though i had
read it hadn't quite understood oh my god the german deep state admitted that they that they
framed him like if that can be packaged as a kaboom i'm just i'm asking you two things
number one who wrote the document cynthia saltino okay because it doesn't have it was a was it was
a combined work we we um and cynthia yeah okay when you are referring cilia when you are referring to
to the um to where where the um the prosecutors are writing so okay so we need where they had
communication with the um with with the joseph joseph how do you say that those who who started
the began the persecution the case that's criminal case the the complaint
complainants complainants thank you thank you um these um there were communications with
with the attorney general and and that is uh i think it was it attorney general stats anvatt
what's that in in english that's the um district attorney district attorney of that region of that
region and i have that in the copy from a part from day i think it was april
i will look the date where the where i have the complete plea from edgar simond one of
reiners defense attorneys and i know that he wrote it there it is it is included and i can
i can send you um a screenshot from that if that is helpful for you uh for for having what i would
like daisy is just your permission to tell me whose name can i attach both both of your names
then to this document and send it out as it is because and maybe highlight what i'm calling the
bombshells and maybe write a top paragraph what i suggest what i suggest cilia please send me
send me that particular document that you have in mind send it to me via email so that i'm certain
that we are speaking for the same document and we can we can speak on whatsapp or we can meet on
zoom and then we we i share with you what i have and you tell me this is what i want how's that
it's like a candy store do you agree with me in principle that this fact alone could cause
the alternative media even i think a lot of alternative media and joseph has and i have
talked about this you and i have talked about this for them it's kind of oh there's just so many
details in that case i don't really understand it it was a complex where those words appear
where they're saying we're gonna get him we're gonna set him up i think that would really
if we can just put a frame around that i'm just asking do you agree that that maybe okay sometimes
you guys are too close to it so maybe you lose sight of the what i'm calling the bombshells but
i know media you know and you are the master in your trade i really think yeah that could do it
that could do it and maybe it should even be minimized so that a lot of the detail is left
out and that but that alone can become the story that leads if i may add something here there's
also another document that was unearthed by another attorney mizarei which is the file that he
uh got hold of on rhina the title of which is corona right so i don't know if you're referring
to that but that but the the just the title itself gives it all away yes i agree so that um
yes so as daisy i think it's very important what cilia's saying so we're going to get him shows
intent to commit the psychological torture which they're carrying out
that's very important
yeah in other words we have ammunition we haven't used we have correct yeah
but thank you thank you for for thinking and and being creative and bringing this
well cilia that's cilia's job she's an investigative
what sometimes you see something and you don't quite see it and now i really saw it you know
this is just a few days ago and i really want to package this and go out and give them less
so they don't get overwhelmed give them less this time you know greg has done two reports
care what i didn't see like when greg reese did his reports on right what i want to see is the
relationship between getting it out in alternative media and it resulting in help for reiner or fire
a sense of heat in the german circles the people who have done this that's what i'm looking for
where is their vulnerability killy's healed do they care absolutely always look for the the thing
that they don't want published and then publish it like mad we did that with david kelly well i'll
package this and with daisy and co-operation and we'll send it around and then everyone should
just send it send it if you have podcasts talk about it it's incredibly damning absolutely
i'm sorry are we talking about cynthia salatino's i am right yes and her name is not on this
document but i guess that was just an oversight but remind me who cynthia salatino is in the
she's a member of icic she's a colleague of ours okay okay
who wrote a summary well i'm not a lawyer but um any kind of document which says we're going to
get him and subsequently they found to be kidnapping in the german embassy in mexico
and then transporting him via the usa to germany where he's psychologically tortured by his own
government and they and we've got a document saying we're going to get him and another document you
say is use upper which says corona simply and then we publish all then i think you should publish
all the videos which rhino formic made very important to do that as well
so what do you say cynthia yes absolutely 100 and frankly i'm also just wondering about
chd and i mean let's just brainstorm who do we um i talked about reiner a lot with
vira shrav she came out with something this is several months ago now and this caused
um
mary holland to come out with something and it seemed like it was beginning to to snowball
and then it kind of stopped you know and and reiner sent a an audio recording
to bobby kennedy and to myself and vira shrav and i sent that to bobby kennedy and he listened to it
and he texted back uh joseph and daisy know this he just wrote give my give him my love
um this was a couple of months ago my my optimistic sense of that is that you know
the seed is planted and who knows who knows but i'm wondering about for example chd does anybody
know have they done any have we approached them for actual you know interviews about this
they do interviews all the time at cd interview mary holland cilia do you know how to i can put
you in touch with mary holland oh no i yeah no i know mary i mean in fact i shouldn't i should
just ask her directly i have a feeling there's a little i don't know what the problem could possibly
be of this should be a no-brainer you know so the strategy cilia i think you would agree is to find
as many things that they don't want published as possible but then have a look at them all and
pick the best and keep repeating the same thing like propaganda the very thing that they don't
want highlighted so in the case of david kelly we said it was impossible for david kelly we as
doctors said it was impossible for david kelly to kill himself by slashing himself his left
ulna artery we said it would be impossible in our medical opinion they didn't like that and they
tried to bury it but they couldn't bury it and we changed public opinion in the united kingdom
over david kelly's death david kelly was the weapon scientist involved in the yeah
war i remember when you did all that i didn't know you then but that was amazing um yeah so
you're saying steven even sending to like orthodox outlets that one wouldn't expect can even that can
be successful you can still turn public opinion around absolutely because yeah people some people
are good and some people who are weak when they're faced with say the u.s government
they're also good and they may find a way that uh you know they can kind of escape scrutiny but
still tip someone off and make a difference and when you've got human beings working together
using their intuition and their spirituality they are very good at connecting because they sense
who they should connect with
yeah what can anybody suggest any programs or shows or outlets that would be
in anybody's view like the what could tilt it in the right direction
jo rogan you know i'm not a big fan of jo rogan and it's like a boys club to me but anyway
he's got a massive audience you have to respect that so um and
you know why would jo rogan what reason would jo rogan have for not giving this case light
right well he would need i mean he does three hour interviews he doesn't cover stories he does
three hour interviews so somebody would have to be on his show for a three hour interview to lay
out the whole entire thing and i i think i i would imagine he would do it if because he
is not afraid of oh yes you could be very good at that oh not i i don't know the details well
enough but no you could be we could brush you up on that may i recommend um redacted if anyone has
contact to to them they are pretty good they have a very very large international following
it's clinton and uh oh yes i know
or is yeah okay does anyone have their contact info i have written to them stephen when you have
their contact i really appreciate when you when you have that for me when you have that for me
when you have a contact when you have more contact or yeah sure um so
maybe judge napolitano would do it but sebastian sebastian couldn't you couldn't do it to start
with um i'm sure we could start would start off but we are not that big i have to admit
i have to admit um we have around 460 500 followers on youtube and small and other
platforms but this uh i mean i can ask the gentleman definitely me there there's absolutely
no question about that please do but i think if you want to start off you you want to do something
big and i think redacted would be a good a good um position to aim for is it correct that there's
studios are in tampa is that correct they were in norway or someplace i think they were in
portugal and then did they come back and their studios are now in tampa i think they're in the
states i don't know where someone said colorado yeah so the big question is who would you have as
the interviewee so i think um you know from the people i know i don't think you'll find anyone
better than cilia because she is very good at sticking the knife in where it hurts
come on i haven't said to you have i i hope no thank you i thank you i appreciate that
good i want be if i would like them to be afraid of my knife being stuck in no but in all seriousness
um yeah we can we can think about that later and thank you for that steven what i want to do
is shape it reshape the story so instead of journalists going oh i know reiner fulmwick
is in prison and it's it's awful but i don't i don't know the details again i'm repeating myself
but to cut away everything except the stark evidence unless unless joseph or daisy or anybody
else says no you're exaggerating but my sense is we have them absolutely by the tail that they have
they admitted that it was a conspiracy to get reiner and that they even said if memory serves
they even said we'll get him on something financial is that right i think you're right
i'd forgotten but you've reminded me now it's so outrageous cilia brilliant from you brilliant
so this is exactly the kind of i just feel bad that i didn't see it the first time i read it but
that's because there's so much density of fact and information in the case and that has worked
against the media campaign because the media moves fast and is afraid of dense complicated stories
so i do think there's something to be said for so rather than repeating something which has not
produced anything i think it's very important to sit back and think where do we concentrate our
efforts now so i think this is very valuable for you daisy and joseph and whoever else is on the
call um hopefully it has to be sensationalized frankly and that is my absolutely like a gutter
journalist who is reared sensationalism so i will do since we're going to get him sensationalize it
and it is sensational we're going to get him i can't think of anything worse for them
um
my jaw dropped you know and my blood boy may i say something yeah to
excuse me um so yeah there is this evaluation document by the human rights defenders it's
two days old i can send it to you you're talking perhaps of the so-called this year where the system
was advised to do whatever it takes to take rhino off any political influence
that was just one that was do you have this this year tell me that tell me the name of the one
that i have is called rhino fulmich summary up to february 3rd and it's 13 pages and i sent the
salatino speed sorry cynthia salatino whose name is not on it but now i know that's who wrote it so
i don't know which document so cynthia salatino discovered that did she but who who was actually
saying those words let me call right now i wonder if i can talk about that when you are speaking
of the pages i have forwarded to you that is uh that is a a outline that cynthia did and i worked
on it uh we did that together and we published it with for for reiner um and for use for those who
wish to report on that but busy i'm still not clear who actually uttered those words or wrote
those words we're going to get him see the cynthia cynthia uh she did the the construct of it and then
i i edited it so we i'm sorry i'm sorry i think steven means who said what let's get him in effect
i'm paraphrasing i think so cynthia discovered this but who said it no no no cynthia did not
discover that this is this is fact that is um that is known by by the dossier that christopher
misere also defense attorney um was handed he received a dossier where where there is insider
information and someone handed that over and it is quite quite um essential in also count of pages
daisy i just want to know who said those words was it the dossier it is in the dossier there are
okay who wrote the dossier that's all i want to know well i think when somebody is handing
a dossier to a defense attorney for helping the defense they keep the information and um
clean from names for for also protecting those who whistleblow the information
that is my that is what i know in regards of the names okay so who knows the identity of the people
who came up with those words uh christopher mesere might well that's who we need to contact or others
is and as a talking of bombshell this perhaps also quite interesting that
that the lawyers and the forensic expert being involved into defending rhino i've been treating
it right now you know misery was attacked he was spit on and he got threats he might be killed and
the like um the there was a guy in the in the middle of the courtroom in the middle of the
proceedings who said i want to see rhino filmic lying dead on the bottom of this card room
um he said and then and then during the break he approached quietly badly intimidated katya
who is actually the main lawyer so and the court did refuse
dealing with this situation in a way next time there will be some more protection
but but my humble opinion this guy was paid to do what he did by the system
um everybody i i just i just as low tech as i am i i just succeeded in dragging the document
and dropping it into chat can everyone see your skills are getting better cilia yes they are
yes they are a number of years number of decades so can everybody see it in the chat
yes it's in the chat so this full complete document i'll reread it again and we'll
brainstorm about this and we'll see if you feel as i do that the bombshells that are in this
document right and then we'll try to figure out who said it exactly as close as we can come
and we'll package that like media missiles
what is what is known is that it is the dossier is the dossier information is from the national
security so it is from from there because when they asked when when journalists asked
the national security so is it from you so is this from your offices and they did not deny
and then therefore christopher misery shared that he he thinks this is
um this is very clear that it's from there um these are his thoughts from national security
yeah in the u.s or in germany germany germany the dossier the the case happens in germany
and the so the the court dates are in germany in göttingen and rose the roestadt cutting
and the dossier was handed in german language to german defense attorney christopher
daisy daisy a question has has christopher misery and or any of the other lawyers who and
joseph i am going to publish your piece joseph has been following and has transmitted to me
in a piece i'm about to post not too much detail but that that reiner's attorneys all of them have
been threatened including physically have any of the lawyers therefore had to leave the case
not all of their law of his lawyers have been threatened some of them the court observe the
court observers some of them have been threatened and so reiner has had to wear a protective vest
during the last few sessions now
make of that what you will and then there's the revelation through this other attorney zemund
about some postings on some site where there are replications or reproductions of nasty things
happening to people who resemble reiner and some of the other court observers in the
in the in the states they call that witness tampering and it's very serious
serious well in germany they call it satire
there are no repercussions for that kind of thing not so far court is not interested in it
amazing you can interfere with them witnesses in german courts correct
they can threaten them physically correct
so are you saying that in germany you can threaten people who are about to give evidence to german
courts i'm not saying that no because there's a there is one witness who felt threatened who
wanted to go before the court i don't know what happened to that witness but the the attorney
was not there and he was not there and he was not there and he was not there and he was not there
that witness but the the attorneys themselves some of them have felt threatened including
mizare and including katja who is the lead attorney well that's outrageous but one witness
too many as well and so zemund who i guess has not been threatened has been reporting on this
and he's been quite straightforward about it so one witness was not didn't want to give evidence
after being threatened is that correct i don't know what no he said he felt threatened she
she felt threatened steven's a totally different issue to being no but i thought i thought uh
jesupers said that um that witness didn't judge him so didn't want to give evidence after that
is that right i don't know whether that that witness wanted to give evidence after that or
not i don't have the answer to that i don't think that that witness came before the court
because of the intimidation yes well it's the same thing then so we at least suspect that the german
courts have not protected a witness is that correct that's what zemun's conclusion is and he said it
quite clearly in court well outside of court so zemun is a key figure now he's really stepped up
and he's become just a powerhouse yeah he's brilliant he was very much in the background
now he's stepping forward every time he comes out of the courthouse he gets an ovation from everybody
who's an observer he's a rock star now he's really amazing joseph do you think or joseph
and or daisy do you think that we could produce for the media uh the language the details of the
threats that have been received by some of writers not me not me okay no i'm not close enough to it
i don't go to the courthouse i don't talk to people there i don't talk to the witnesses i
don't talk to the attorneys i watch a video summary that is very well produced by claudia
yeah she does one wonderful interviews but they're 15 minutes long and they
pack a lot of information in but there's a lot of detail also missing there
so we know that some of Reiner's attorneys have been threatened including Christophe Mesere and
Katja Wurmer have been threatened including physically can we produce the the the proof of
that the stuff the language of that could they hand that over to a some journalist or to me and
i'll spread it to journalists i'm just wondering if anyone thinks that could come out well i would
if anyone thinks that could come out well i would refer if they are not i guess so if they
are not afraid to harm Reiner yes it helps to let these things out in the open a lot so what
did you say daisy as long sorry yes i think yes masha you think yes we can get that to come out
in detail yeah okay would you be willing to try to get that yes okay thank you you have to publish
this this extraordinary information so a witness is lost we think at least there's a suspicion of
that we don't know whether the witness was lost or not and we know that two attorneys have been
threatened but we also know that somebody's written or said we're going to get him and then
they end up torturing him i i could read one telegram message addressed to the to the forensic
expert um they were loyal to to to Reiner and it said you and all of of your clique of your company
are gonna regret you will see here after it was deleted but she sent it to me before it was deleted
so this is something i've got
masha this was from whom from whom most likely i don't know to me the name means nothing
um silly as i said i feel like the people messing around trading and you know intimidating
they have been paid by the by the state 100% yeah so the name means nothing and this is now difficult
you know all the names mean nothing uh nowadays i just i just can send you this message i can send
you a screenshot of this message just to have an example which is life which is life which is written
this is to put you know it um it's like to feed the media it's like uh what do you call it chum
for sharks you know to give the media things that they can make a story out of sorry but that's the
name of the you know that's what you have to do yeah and it's kind of it is yeah so if all this
stuff has been going on cilia and nobody's been highlighting it then you know they think to
themselves oh we got away with that so we can carry on next week too it's not no one there's
there's not no one it's else so there's lots of people publishing about it steve's not true to
say no one is doing it's just there's me getting out is it i think steven means
what i'm calling these outrageous bombshells have not been highlighted so much absolutely
well it has come out i've known all about it it constantly getting published so what is your
message then charles we just sit back and relax no no stay there stop it okay stop it problem
that we are sticking the bubble we are sticking the bubble we need to get outside of the bubble
that's it absolutely all the set with the required reason information that's right that's what we're
doing here we're sharing information and getting new strategies and daisy's been writing and cilia's
been writing and james rugowski's been publishing and we've been mentioning at every one of our
meetings and it's steps being taken so the next one idea from this conversation what was what was
the thing with the art what was one of the one of the media outlets could be the could be the
the issue that actually makes this story run or cilia takes a particular angle in the way that you
write cilia with your network could be could be could be now we've got 15 minutes and we've got to
go um ellen you've got your hand up well i just want to say this charles that cilia is the one
person tonight who's made suggestions uh that need to be considered very carefully you have to you
have to kind of get this there's a bucket load of suggestions in the thing that are all brilliant
ellen would just yes i did chat this is the right one
ellen i came in late but um i'm fascinated and wanted to add to uh you know still yeah farber
and this conversation about reiner fulmig that uh wouldn't it be you know it sounds like nato gladio
uh the massade intelligence agency deep state are suppressing his um you know his freedom as well as
his voice like they are everything that this is what i've been writing about and on sub stack and
so uh and we talk about it on this truth action uh there's an every tuesday night seven to nine
truth action uh truth action project meeting where we're trying to get the truth out about
covet 9 11 and um and uh the jfk assassination you know tying all these things together and
exposing the way the courts have been suppressing this information and um you know it's just a
complete global uh really kind of forthright legal you know kind of suppression of truth
that that uh points the finger back at them you know um basically there's so much evidence that
israel is had biological warfare things planted in palestine in 1948 the un had that uh you know um
they were you know they they've been behind as cigar barbers exposed you know the the aids and
you know pushing vaccines that that are basically giving the disease and um you know they got to
keep all this secret because it's biological warfare fort d trick uh you know created by us
with using nazi science right so uh you know that's he's kind of a terrorist form
there are powerful forces wanting to suppress this so clearly i want to put out an article in by
russell blalock that i just found again it it was one of the best articles on this is an operation
you know psychological operation and um he he published it in the national institute of health
and uh so i'm going to put a link into that i just came across it again he has had all these
articles exposing this and they can control our narrative with you know their algorithms going
back to the promise software now the palantir you know they they control everything from
yep thank you thank you alan we're we're tight for we're tight for time if you could publish
i remember that russell blalock article that was about 2022 wasn't it 2021 22 right yeah it was
very good get him on okay so we've got 10 minutes to go those who have got unlimited time can join
the tom rodman group uh cilia daisy joseph and steven last 10 minutes for final comments and thoughts
so cilia do you want any more ideas
i think actually daisy has her hand up i think yeah yes thank you thank you i i think um that
it is also a good idea when when i look at elon musk whatever we think about him some like him
some don't some trust him some don't in regards that's fine but i've seen um in the uk there was
also a man incarcerated army robinson thank you thank you joseph yes and uh elon must posted one
post on x that he is supporting the legal fees and the attorney fees and within two men the man
is free so i think that um when we combined let's say we find 2000 people who who just
send elon musk a message every day once we say from seven to eight p.m. or whichever time and
we send that and then free reinor filmic free reinor filmic he he will find attention maybe
because i've read something on elon and rey knips wrote that and he says the administration of not
truth perfected over decades is now colliding with the new power not political not military
but technological elon musk is not a hero but he is someone who reads the algorithm well the first
who understands that today truth is no longer spoken but reconstructed bite by bite and that
is how they recovered the um the financial reports that the previous administration had
deleted one terabyte of data and i think when we inspire elon that he is looking into
and reconstructs how these emails and phone calls happened for amongst the people who
who had not good ideas for reiner then i think that is where the truth is so how can we how can
we inspire elon musk to to make a post because that opens the door i think can i follow up
and follow up when you're done yes yes please please so we have an expert here among us paul
hello paul not me in the back you mean me yes the expert the x expert
you haven't spoken yet about your experience with x and your communications with people
and getting tweets and so on you want to say something about that
i don't want to put you on the spot well you just did but it always in a nice way joseph you're
a good man and a friend so i happily just talked for a couple of seconds about the x account
it's gonna be interesting
he chuckles it's uh can you just get your pens out and write it down if you don't know it
i'm gonna tell you it please look at this account over the next few days
it's x.com forward slash ic ic law so it's x.com forward slash ic ic law not dot law ic ic law
okay uh just keep your eyes on it um interesting things always going on
so there we are paul i'll put that into the chat thank you so much um i already did for somebody
earlier but uh no seriously there's um i think there's fantastic things happening right now
um i think edgar seemund is brilliant i i support him totally and um i think you'll see more of that
as well so keep your eyes peeled thank you thank you uh paul for that uh share your last thoughts
and then we're steven for last thoughts and we're going to finish
um
personally i would like daisy or whoever meets reiner um to please give him my best regards my
personal best regards i'm so sorry that what's happened to him but um i think uh you know
it's very different i i i think i could help in the same way as i did the with julian osange but
the problem is it would be all encompassing it took over like a nine months of my life uh that
effort for julian osange um creating those two letters which so we could do this but i could
teach someone else to do it and i could provide all the information that would be necessary to
to see how it's done but what you need is doctors in many different countries across international
borders speaking out against the psychological torture of rhino formic in germany
and the extraordinary rendition from mexico to germany via the usa
well there's comments made that that's not true we're doing some more investigation on that
steven so there are people so it did happen some who didn't happen so that's that's worthy of
exploration as well which part the landing in usa oh okay
okay we don't know nobody on this call knows whether that's true
yeah um if anyone if anyone can give me the flight data from where the airplane started from
and um so what airport and what time roughly i can i can uh do some research on that
where was he arrested was it frankfurt no i'm talking about in mexico if anyone
but when he got to germany um it was in frankfurt yeah yes so it was mexico city as i remember
or city tijuana tijuana yes tijuana and it was then we went to mexico city and to frankfurt
to frankfurt yes that is but we were there but there was a stop somewhere i can't quite remember
whether it's the u.s or whether it was somewhere else um but i've got a feeling it was the u.s
well the comment is made that some people adamant that it landed in new mexico and arizona and
whatever and others say that it's bullshit so there you are everybody so good investigation
but i think it was a schedule fight it was a scheduled fight i think yeah i have one more
idea i've been thinking about this over the last few days and weeks i wonder if reiner could use
whatever strength he has to somehow write a book begin to write a book whether he dictates it or
something from prison the power of that would be immense just yes that's a good idea but
that the whole world could read i would of course be happy to help curate edit anything
i wonder and he could call it to see he could call it one day in the life of reiner fulmig
just like yeah i would not have to be continuous or consistent just
the details of what he's being put through so he is allowed to leave audio messages for
his lawyers right everybody he's allowed to dictate messages to the outside i mean he's
done that to us no oh no no he's he's speaking with his attorney he can call his defense attorney
and he has twice a week a phone call with inca for 15 minutes and once a month one hour skype
so see maybe he could write a book like solzhenitsyn's one day in the life of
thinking one day in the life of reiner fulmig because yeah and elsa is is publishing very
frequently about reiner james is james rugusky was on here he wants for the purpose of the recording
he wants for the purpose of the recording james wants people to sign a petition against the
who's proposed international health regulation amendments so bring that to your attention
everybody that that's an ongoing push back required tom rodman has put the link into the
video group thank you daisy for being here cilia i love the bombshell sensational that's exactly
that is what gets attention and it's and as i said at the start of today's meeting that the
australian newspaper yesterday on tuesday horror doom share market stuffed tuesday night radio
saying it's been the biggest increase in the share market in australia in the last two years
biggest one day increase in two years so guess who's winning on playing the ups and downs everybody
think about that because because the traders work beautifully when the markets are moving they
suffer when they're still so we are just being played puppets and anybody who believes
the mainstream media is other than the football results is slavishly believing them is um has to
look at their own behavior all right everybody thank you for being here thank you steven for
organizing thank you daisy and joseph and ana will for the purposes thank you cilia please
cilia please get in touch via email cilia hang on a second uh who's sorry who's that that was
masha masha masha do i have your email address is it in the chat no i'm gonna write it very fast
excuse me please charles when we sign off the chat disappears can you just wait one minute charles
let me just watch his email address yeah yep yep all right myself type that in there thanks everybody
thank you it's now eight nine eleven thirty in europe thank you daisy
and on we go everybody and keep thinking do the hardest work there is as henry ford said thinking
is the hardest work there is that's why so few people engage in it
it's
i don't see your email help oh direct message
we're gonna see yeah yeah masha did i get your email maybe
maybe charles steven do you have masha's email address because i can't see it um i've got it um
i can find it yes um come on masha put it in we gotta go
no
i've put it now in the public chart excuse me please here we go got it got it i got it trust dash in
humanity okay well i was naive naive back then
okay thanks everybody on we go let's fight for rhina and inca and the 10th of april 8 pm eastern
time new york time and daisy pep.com has got the details as has um james rogowski's writing for
those of you who own his substeck thanks everybody bye daisy bye cilia joseph thank you bye so young
bye daisy thank you thank you so much okay everybody keep spirits up okay bye i see
for truth for love yay free rhino free rhino yes free rhino