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and welcome everybody to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International. In today's discussion,

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this group was founded by Dr Stephen Frost almost four years ago with a desire to pursue truth,

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ethics, justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government and power over the

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years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology. I'm Charles

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Covess, the moderator of this group. I'm in Australia. I practiced law for 20 years

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before changing career 31 years ago and over the last 14 years I've helped parents and lawyers to

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strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. What's his name?

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Scott Sharer announces now when he's fighting for justice for his murdered daughter, Grace,

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he's presented to us. He has pointed out that again, it's in numerous sources of bad medical

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advice, medical called medical misadventure is now the number one killer in America ahead of all

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other sources of death. This time we remember Rhinofilmic normally, but we will have a special

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reference to Rhinofilmic in a moment. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company. We comprise

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lots of professions here and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were

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okay. Now many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers as am I. I'm a moderator

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and presenter on a program called inform-me.org, a free global education services has been set up

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with some of the experts, top experts in the world on health. And the evidence is clear that no

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vaccine has ever been tested in the history of mankind properly for safety and efficacy.

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If anyone has that evidence, please bring it here. We will happily do a whole show on the wonderful

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on the wonderful research that's been done for safety and efficacy on any vaccine.

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If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat.

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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that the medical science battle is

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only one of 12 battlefronts of this latest world war. The spiritual war is one of the other battle

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fronts. The legal war is a third battlefront and there are nine others. There's no time to be

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tired. We're some five years into a seven year war. So look after your health, take ever more

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health care of your health because the electromagnetic radiation, the toxicity in our environment

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is putting ever increasing strain on your body. So you have to help your body do what it needs to do.

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Most of us understand the development of science and the science is never

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settled. The meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time,

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Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts the links into the chat if you are able to

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join. We will listen to our guest presenters. Hopefully we've got two, probably maybe even three

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because I'll tell you why in a moment for as long as they wish to speak. And then we have Q&A.

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Stephen Frost, by Long Established Tradition asks the first questions for 15 minutes. This is a free

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speech environment with appropriate moderating. Free speech is crucially important in our fight

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to preserve our human freedoms. And with Daisy Papp, our guest, main guest today and my background

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both from Hungary, the communist playbook, the dictator playbook is to always commence with the

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attack on free speech. Please be aware of that. Similarly, if you're offended by anything, be

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offended. We are lovingly not interested. We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say

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anything that may offend another. Similarly, we reject the triggering industry. Don't say anything

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that may trigger anybody. Both of them are attacks on free speech. However, we come with an attitude

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and perspective of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you and enslaves

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you. Love on the other hand expands you, liberates you. These twice weekly meetings are not just

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talkfests and extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made

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by attendees in these meetings. We want you to take some actions from these, this meeting today.

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You'll hear what that means. The meeting is recorded, is uploaded on the Rumble channel.

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If you have a clever solution to any problems, please put it into the chat. And now welcome to

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our guest presenter, Daisy Papp, assisted by Anna Garner. And we thank both of you for giving us

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your time. Thank you, Joseph Molotoris for encouraging us to do so. I've known Daisy from

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other, oh, in fact, I met Daisy through Joseph some months ago. For the purposes of the recording,

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I will share some background about Daisy and Anna Garner. And Daisy was born and raised in Germany,

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speaks three languages, English, German, Hungarian, and has spent a lifetime helping others. In fact,

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some even state that Daisy is the world's best kept recipe. I love it. Daisy's been a close friend

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and confidante to Dr. Rainer Formick and his wife Inca for years. Daisy and Inca speak regularly

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on Rainer's situation and together have launched a new initiative to raise awareness on Rainer's

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quest for justice. Daisy brings a wealth in special skills to the international community who are

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caring, humane thinkers, and has the great appreciation from Inca and Rainer to bring

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light and positive energy to the current challenging state for human development.

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Daisy founded self-recoding in 2008. The recipe for success to heal the past, clear the present,

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create a bright future and save humanity at a rapid pace. Daisy has expensive experience

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going through years in exceptional various modalities in training in psychology, neuroscientists,

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and she's made justice for Rainer and for Inca, her top priority. She's written dozens of books

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and for Inca, her top priority. She's written dozens of letters to world leaders to enlist

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them in the success for Rainer's justice, for Rainer's freedom, and for Rainer's health.

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She's campaigned diligently keeping her promises and getting responses that will achieve the

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results we all share in this forum. Daisy has an impressive track record. She was a signed artist

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with EMI Music as a singer-songwriter. Her music is broadcast on radio stations in Europe and the

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US. Her visual art is presented at prestigious art fairs and museums in the United States

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and collected by art lovers in private collections around the world.

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Daisy now lives in sunny Florida and released her newest book in December 2004,

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Five Plus Two, The Formula for Life. And Daisy is close friends with Anna Garner and Anna is an

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attorney. She was born to a patriotic military family and also has been at meetings here,

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hasn't presented, and she lived in Europe for several years as a young girl. She graduated

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from University of New Mexico School of Law. Her heart has always been with representing

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individuals against institutions. Her love of God, family, and friend freedom make her passionate

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about fighting, fighting for our God-given rights as do many people in this forum.

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She is now representing an important non-profit in the fight for freedom, US Freedom Flyers,

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with whom we've had dealings. And Anna will be a part of this organization managing and directing

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future litigation. Anna planned to retire in 2020 but instead was called by God to get into the

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court battles for our essential life liberties, i.e. medical and religious freedom, to choose

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what medical intervention we will accept. Her first COVID case was filed in New Mexico Federal

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Court against the Governor of New Mexico. These restrictions caused far more damage to New Mexicans

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than the disease itself. The next case filed in Federal Court was the first case in the world

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challenging the experimental COVID shot mandate for first responders. She's been involved in COVID

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mandate lawsuits throughout the country as well as in New Mexico. Anna is part of an international

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group of freedom fighters who have worked with Ryan LaFolmick to advance the truth about COVID

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and expose the lies, as they did in the Grand Jury enactment that was watched live by over

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a million viewers in February and March of 2022. That is available on the internet. Someone might

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put it into the chat. It's grand-jury.net. Anna is actively working with lawyers and private citizens

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across the globe to raise awareness of Ryan's legal imprisonment and the need for outrage

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at his treatment. So that's enough introductions and we also thank Ryan LaFolmick, sorry Ryan LaFolmick,

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we also thank James Roguski for doing his work in Shining a Light. We thank all of you for any steps

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that you have taken to shine a light. Joseph Bolotouris also has been has been an indefatigable

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fighter for Ryan's freedom. So Daisy we are in your hands as they say in the classics.

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Welcome everyone and thank you so much Charles for the opportunity speaking for Ryan's freedom and

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for income. Anna is here now, wonderful. Yeah and thank you Anna that you are here because I think

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this is a very very empowering combination because together we are strong and thank you Joseph for

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your support and all the others, James Roguski for writing a wonderful article that is just

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published today where it is all what you can find how to help Reiner. And I think it is important to

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notice that there are so many articles and so many posts regarding Reiner and the case and the

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the legal procedures and the legal situation and I do not speak legalese, I speak humaneese

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and Anna is here and she shines light on the legal aspect because she has great understanding

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for this. I think it is just time that we recognize and acknowledge Reiner did so much for our health,

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Reiner did so much for our freedom and now it is our time now that we do much for Reiner's freedom

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and for Reiner's health and for Inka's health. So I please I'm kindly asking you to to join Inka and

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I on Thursday April 10th Eastern Time 8 p.m. for a workshop that is supporting for Reiner's

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freedom and for Reiner's justice and I think you want to know what's the precise date?

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The date is April 10th 2025 this is now on Thursday Eastern Time 8 p.m. thank you.

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8 p.m. Eastern Time. Thank you. Yes.

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You can find all information on James Rogusky's today's article and James I've seen him here

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maybe please share it in the chat so everyone can see it and you can also find much information

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on the daisypup.com website there is in the foundation in the top menu there is a page for

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Reiner's freedom and health and I think it is good that we we ask Anna kindly I ask you kindly

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Anna from the legal perspective what is updated because we know that that the defense lawyer

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Edgar Simond is a brilliant brilliant defense attorney and he has some good ideas what he brings

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into the court to bring much light in there please Anna. Thank you Daisy and thank you Charles for

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having us because Reiner is a dear friend I love Reiner I've worked with Reiner since this COVID

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nonsense began and as many of you who know Reiner know he has brought a lot of great information

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to the world concerning the deceptive agenda that was at play with the court and the court

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agenda that was at play with COVID and Reiner will he's got it he's been called by God to do

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this I know he has because he's been so instrumental in so many people's lives with this but basically

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the just the the background of the case is that he was kidnapped from Mexico pursuant to basically

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the German authorities wanting to get him into Germany they did not have an extradition treaty

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with Mexico so they had to do it in a surreptitious manner so they did kidnap him

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with the Mexican officials assistance took him to Germany and put him in prison he did not have a

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trial a speedy trial as guaranteed by the German constitution he he's been in jail now in prison

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for over 18 months something that would have broken most people but it isn't had us has not broken

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Reiner in fact Reiner insists on showing us that he remains strong as strong as possible under these

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horrific circumstances the the civil it was filed this case was filed as a civil matter it never

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should have gone to a criminal matter but in Germany apparently and this is different from

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American jurisdiction but in Germany you can file a case in civil court which costs some money

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or you can file it in criminal court which is free and apparently put some burden on the state

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to investigate the case so his former partners with corona investigative committee a couple of

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those filed the lawsuit against Reiner and had some other allegations in it that may have risen to

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a hint of criminal activity which I fail to see unless we consider some of the monetary

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allegations to be fraud and that would be about the only real criminal allegation that could have

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been alleged but it's not a criminal case it's a civil case and his attorney very eloquently and

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clearly stated that the last time they were in court which was friday we believe because it was

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only half a day interestingly that was day 49 of the trial bear in mind he's been in in prison for

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now about 19 months he was imprisoned october right around october 13 of 2022

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yes that's correct 2022 so 2023 2023 thank you 18 months this is 2025 isn't it our our enactment

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was in our grand jury enactment was in 2022 this was in 2023 thank you daisy and uh

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uh is his attorney recently pointed out that uh even if you look at the claims these

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other attorneys brought as partners in this corona investigative committee they were would not have

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been entitled to nearly the amount that they claim uh they claim some outrageous amount because Reiner

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did uh have a lot of donations the organization had a lot of donations from people all over the

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world who were supporting his work but at any rate he could have been released under the judicial

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discretion because the attorney completely blew the case away in terms of the prosecutions case

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but um this is not really a case about a civil uh issue it's not really a case about a criminal

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issue what it's really a case about is that they want to shut Reiner up and his attorney in the

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interview said they did not understand how the the will of the government to completely destroy

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Reiner and that's really what's at play they're attempting to destroy a man who is very popular

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not only in germany but in the world because of his courageous uh acts in setting up the corona

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investigative committee and telling people about the truth through interviewing hundreds of experts

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throughout the world who you know gave us incredible information Reiner helped me in the

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formation of my allegations and the complaints that I filed because he asked three simple questions

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that no one else had asked number one how valid is the pcr test because they were basing all the

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cases on that number two how dangerous is this disease really and number three what are the

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harms that have come from the uh mandates and and do they outweigh any benefit of course they

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they didn't but those three questions needed to be answered and they needed to be answered

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in the court in the courts in the courts of america in the courts of other countries so Reiner was

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very instrumental in helping us shape our complaints that we filed in in various countries so he's he's

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done an incredible job for humanity and he will continue doing that he needs your support

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he appreciates letters he's written me back every time i've written him he's written me back he gets

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letters out through uh kacha when she visits him she allows him to sometimes dictate a letter and

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then she'll have it typed and and sent to me by email so he's he's very very much uh heartened

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by the support and the love that people show him and and that's that's getting him through so you

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have to know how important that is and let's not forget Inca Inca his beloved wife i've known Reiner

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since the beginning like i said and i had the occasion to meet him personally when he was

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touring in america in the crimes against humanity uh tour and he invited me to be a speaker in phoenix

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when they were there and so i had several meals with Reiner and got to know him personally he is

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an outstanding human being as well as a brilliant attorney so i just want to tell you all uh you know

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we this is so important the real message i want to say is this could happen to any of us in any

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country not just germany um you know we had it in america with our j6 january 6 people uh who were

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imprisoned without trial uh my good friend virginie uh the lawyer from paris who participated in the

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grand jury enactment was arrested at the conclusion of our grand jury enactment for you know treason

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alleged treason um we've this can happen anywhere if they can do this to a man as popular and

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personally powerful as Reiner it can do it can happen to any of us

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so we need to be we need to have a voice here and and be vociferous and active in getting him released

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so i hope i summarized what's going on so and uh we've only we've only got you for the first

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hour and then we've got daisy as well and it seems to me unless that you know it'd be great

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to focus on the legal questions and while you're here and then daisy we can focus on inca

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and you know the spiritual war that's at play here the whole german situation what do you think

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anna and daisy i agree to that because anna has a plethora of knowledge and as i said she speaks

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very well legally yeah well you know there's uh being a lawyer myself you know i sometimes

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who needs to hear from the lawyers but anyway um so what i suggest is um if you have particular

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stephen will save you for afterwards it won't give you 15 minutes now for the legal issues

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questions because anna i see there are people who say oh no this is very doubtful you know then

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there's some there's all sorts of misinformation that gets thrown about um and the other issue

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that we've heard is you know it was about a year ago stephen will recall this where i know don't

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say anything about rhino because we might upset the german government so so in terms of the

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complexity of the legal or the if you like the misinformation that's been tossed about rhino

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then people don't find the guy this is a complex legal matter you know just let it go but there's

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a whole range of ways and sebastian put it into the chat where the german government has not

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followed its legal structure and its constitution is that correct anna well i i don't know

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about the the german legal system at any i understand what i like to share that i'm a german

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citizen and at this time i am not stepping foot on that country because that is how the

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situation there is it is not trustworthy and joseph may also question was directed at anna

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yeah thank you anna so there we're good certainly with reiner's case one was the

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we've got bad reception can you hear me are you in new mexico i am i'm in florida

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maybe turn your video off and i apologize uh

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i know you can improve the sound quality uh probably by turning off your video

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all right can you hear me now

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yeah but try try again

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a minute right test well you're fine but okay

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i better log off and log back in yeah shall i do that try logging out and then getting back in

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yeah that might do it it was fine at the beginning but now it's uh pretty bad sometimes you just get

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a bad connection bad wiring bad something anna shared with me before she came on the show that

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she had the internet reset and she was praying that it is stable again

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all right so well uh we've also got dagmar shern here from germany who's also closely involved

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in this case sebastian you have your hand up

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i actually want to ask i wanted to ask anna a couple of questions

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we'll wait we'll wait we'll wait till she comes okay we'll wait till she comes she comes back in

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um daisy you know while we're waiting for anna to come in you have been a close friend of inkas for

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a long time so you know give us a sense of how she's coping with this because this is difficult

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thank you um well this is not an easy time for inca and it's not an easy time for reiner

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and what happened to reiner that they really uh they are they're doing a lot for for really

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taking his power and taking his strength and his his will and his brilliance and

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his brilliance and inca is a very very important key here for reiner i see reiner as a key figure

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for for all around the world because he showed how it is possible to connect the dots as anna also

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mentioned that reiner helped anna with the case here in the u.s. to shine a light and she was able

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to see in a in a new way and in a very very empowering way that also helped for succeeding

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with her lawsuits and i think the the main main figure for reiner now emotionally is inca and

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she has my full protection and my full support and i do everything and anything because she

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when she is empowered when she is energized when she is good when she feels good when she feels

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strong then that is what she delivers for reiner and that helps reiner and reiner helps us so i

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think this is a wonderful circulation for energy i see anna thank you thank you daisy well well

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said anna should we try you again all right can you hear me now yes we can great great we could

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probably hear you with um your video now but um we can see no no no don't test it i don't want to

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i don't want to risk it sure yeah all right so sebastian had his hand up sebastian question for

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anna uh good evening um i have a couple quick questions i'd like to just get through first of

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all reiner is still in in the what we call untersuchungshaft so how long is the are they

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legally allowed to keep him in jail you know i would have to punt to the german lawyers and i

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believe that uh joseph may know the answer looks like somebody's holding up six months as a an

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answer um yeah and that's what i'm reading that's from from needle papers that's why i'm asking

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because he's been over for for over 18 months now which is uh i mean this is as i wrote in the chat

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it's dystopian um is there any way uh he can be visited by journalists for example does he have

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any visitation rights to that i'm not aware of journalists being able to visit him we international

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attorneys who worked with reiner actually signed various paperwork for kacha to allow us to have

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skype meetings with him and uh even despite that we've never been able to have a single meeting

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with him and they knew that we were attorneys and we were consultants we offered to be consultants

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in his case and even we could not meet with him even over his lawyer as as consultants to his

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lawyer exactly and and his lawyers were in agreement that we should be able to do that

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well that is a clear violation of our constitution actually of our legal rights

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next question is how can we help reiner i mean i was in the last year november i was in geneva

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with anna stuttgart berger and peter könig and we had the demonstration in front of the united

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nations uh human rights uh headquarters how can we make this more public how can is there anything

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that is or going to be organized in the next couple of weeks days uh right now we have various um

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um give send go type of uh links to help with uh with the financial burden of the legal assistance

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as well as to help inga inca um daisy has a plan which she'll discuss later but you know

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yes we need more reporters to write about this uh elsa and i don't remember her last name she's a

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german woman who's been covering this quite well uh cilia farber i believe has also covered some

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things with reiner concerning reiner uh now james rogowski is so other uh journalists are

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starting to to get the word out and we're so appreciative of that but the more people who

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can get this out of course the better it is for reiner i would love to embarrass the german

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government to the extent that they would finally release him because this is this is deplorable

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yeah i think we all want to embarrass the german government and it's not only the german government

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it's a deep state i had um norbert actually on uh on an interview on the duran to you know talk

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about reiner's situation uh but would it be possible um for you and daisy to also join me

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on the duran if we could um get together and i'll share my email with you in the in the chat

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because this would be really i mean i've been following reiner filmish and the and the

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the covid investigative committee from when it started uh back in 2020 and this this has gone

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on for far too long and it's not getting the publicity it needs yes um i think daisy now i'll

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speak for myself but i think daisy and i would probably be thrilled to be on as many uh journalist

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podcasts that that could get it out as as possible charles gave me the opportunity

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last year to be on and speak about it and that was wonderful fantastic thank you book very

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so what we're sebastian what we're planning to do here with daisy what we've got ana is we focus on

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the legal aspects now but also you know the this question of putting of embarrassing and i like

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those terms that term embarrass the german government and so we everybody need we need

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your input here daisy's going to share with us when ana has to leave us but let's look at the

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list and let's look at the legal side um must have got a hand up which we'll go to in a moment

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ana you mentioned funding if you had unlimited funding in legal terms what actions would you

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take and one particular that's been we've had a conversation here in this meeting is that rhino

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is actually being psychologically tortured that's the definition of torture and that's

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constant that's we should be you know the question is what jurisdiction um do we can we take action

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in relation to that torture and what other if you had unlimited funds what other legal

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remedies have you thought of being possible

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well can i ask a question so the united nations rapporteur on special rapporteur on torture

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uh someone has been in contact with the common law uh court i think out of scotland that was

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some time ago um but i no not common law i'm talking about the united nations special rapporteur

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on torture so uh the one of uh one of those people was neil smelter and he got heavily

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involved with julian lasange so rina's case is very similar to julian lasange because they're

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doing everything illegal you only have to look at the it doesn't matter whether it is civil or

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criminal the fact is they kidnapped him across international borders that's highly illegal in

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every jurisdiction and so but similar so the other one who stands out is um julian lasange

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and the question is why are they so intent on silencing rhino what is it about him is it his

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past record um you know he defeated a deutscher bank he also defeated a volkswagen in two huge

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uh cases um is that why or is it because of his work in 2020 and 2021 with the interviews which

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i agree were very important um so um but the united nations rapporteur on torture should have

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been contacted i told um katia and someone else a year ago more than a year ago about this and

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and i don't i don't know whether it's been done but it should have been done and uh you know not

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just one letter but several letters going to even when steven steven may say well they you may say

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well they wouldn't do anything you know when we wrote we can but you have to kind of record this

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that they did wouldn't do anything like contacted them several times nothing done and show them

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steven steven we're doing strategies after ana leaves you've raised the issue we got hands

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you can't separate the law and you know yes you can no you can't okay

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i would like to have more information about that and if somebody could put it in the chat about

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who exactly we would write i would be happy to uh set you know send that out to supporters of

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reiner so um so and i know i know doctors who are heavily involved with the uh united nations

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rapporteur on torture so we could get all them involved and we so i formed the group doctors

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for assange and that was our strategy and we um heppered uh various uh organizations and people

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around the world with the fact that the united nations rapporteur on torture had found this and

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he found that against what had happened and so you know i'm not saying the united nations is the

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answer to everything but it's certainly a big thing that needs to be considered thank you we'll

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look into that definitely definitely so we have masher your hand is up and then nadia

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hi hello thank you hello everybody uh you mentioned it already charles you just wanted to

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to to add something uh sometimes some time ago a month ago i involved two recognized

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human rights defenders who are quite known in europe and if i say recognize recognize

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official as such and i asked them for an evaluation and the evaluation brought up that what is being

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done to reiner as white torture so breaking him psychologically there are some specific facts

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there is really very detailed very beautiful document to be used they're going to use uh just

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as an example rain has been a solitary confinement for months and it is a torture if the solitary

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confinement is longer than 15 days as far i remember it's been like about four months without any

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contact he was even not permitted to meet other folks in the prison on the on the floor

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so if he had to be moved from a to b he was to be alone on the day of his 66th birthday

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he was moved from his cell to a different one because from his cell he would have seen

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people congratulating him singing for him supporting him so it was one of the most brutal

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things being done to him this is torture psychological torture and the most brutal thing is that he

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wanted to say goodbye to his mom and he was only permitted to do so in

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and accompanied by the police which he didn't want to do to his mom so he didn't say goodbye to her

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she died without having seen her son so all of these things are actually part of their

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of their evaluation and another question yes there were several letters sent to the

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special rapporteur of united nations and there were no reactions so it is already documented

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and we just we're just going to keep going we're going to send letters again and all again good

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good thank you masha thank you so i can help with uh letters that we've got two

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huge we got two letters published uh in the lancet of all journals the the medical journal the lancet

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on psychological torture of durin osange so this is highly relevant it's been i mean and there

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were huge letters there were like 30 pages long both of those in february and june of 2020 and i

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did offer these to kathja and to her assistant whoever that was but nothing happened so nadia

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thank you charles so um yeah question for for aina or ana not sure how i say if you pronounce your

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name correctly but um how is it even possible i mean the question was before from sebastian that

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or the statement made that actually they exceeded the allowance to keep reiner in prison so from a

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legal point of view how can they justify to still keep him in even solitary confinement for so long

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like i don't yeah i mean i've been following the case for a while and like sebastian i've been

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following the corona investigative committee from the start and it helped me kind of you know

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basically keep sane so like for all the wonderful i mean i can see the threat but they obviously he's

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been accused of something totally different i mean it had nothing like it was to do with the

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corona investigative committee but not of what he's done as part of the committee about the money but

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yeah how can they still keep him on what grounds are they keeping him still in prison the the

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grounds do not seem to be the important issue here the issue is that reiner is a threat to the

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deep state and this particularly the government in germany uh also you know he was uh and joseph

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knows more about this but reiner was uh elected the leader he and vivian fisher were both elected

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leaders of the da's buses did i say that right uh grassroots political organization and i think

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they were very close to having the numbers required to actually be recognized as a political party

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so reiner is a very popular and uh threatening individual to the government just as you know many

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of us who've taken on this work uh have threatened the government because we're going against the

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state narrative and we're dismantling their lies so it's not it's not a matter of having you know

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judicial rationale they don't care they absolutely don't care and you know they put him in shackles

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a peaceful attorney a peaceful man they put him in shackles and they've been doing this

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for a very for several months many many months uh because a judge felt threatened after reiner

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said something in open court to the effect of that you will be held accountable for what you're doing

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and that was not a threat to any judge personally but the judge said that he felt threatened and

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then reiner subsequently had to appear in court with shackles and you know the around his waist

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around his legs getting on a chair every day that he appears in court being shackled with his hands

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behind him his feet it was it's it's horrible um there are many many instances of abuse that he

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has undergone and no there's no justification for what's happened to him not at all and if you look

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in the chat you'll see the um i managed to find an email which i'd sent to someone i've crossed out

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the name and so you can use those links they are very useful to you i know they will be

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and and just a follow-up question do you think that the rke leaks uh will actually

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help in any way with his case or is that um i mean yeah do you think that has any

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any meaning or probably not that the wiki leaks no the from the robert koch institute like those leaks

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i'm not sure what leaks you're talking about okay links yeah i know the yeah very important

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nadiya explain for anna yeah so um there was a whistleblower at the robert koch institute

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in germany and um the uh so the robert koch institute is similar to the um like cdc i think

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it is in the u.s and uh he released all the papers that everything that happened during the corona

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so-called um pandemic or pandemic uh actually was all government led so there was no scientific

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rigor to it at all and the institute basically just followed orders as well

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but yeah if you haven't looked into it um and and maybe steven like knows more about it in that

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regard but uh like that yeah it would be probably also interesting to look into it and see if it

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may help the case as well but given that the whole judicial system in in germany is totally i mean

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again you know like there's no distinction anymore and they still just seem to follow orders which

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we've seen with a judge who has been um still prosecuted in germany uh so it's um it's a

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difficult one but i think like every maybe every little bit helps to make his case and help him

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yeah thank you thank you yes and you realize i'm not i'm not helping with his defense or anything

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because i'm not in germany or speak german so his but his attorney who's handling this the attorneys

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handling it i think are doing the best they can given the circumstances and i was very pleased

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to hear about the recent uh i would say clarity and uh presentation that uh and i'm going to

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mispronounce it daisy was trying to tell me how to pronounce his name seasmund seamund seamund

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uh did on friday so uh the he's it's in capable hands as far as i can see um and still there is

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no justice well ana there's only one thing that's going to get reiner out of prison and that's public

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pressure and there's remarkably little effort in my opinion to inform the public about what is going

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on that is why writing letters uh to like the lancet for example because there were 250 psychiatrists

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and doctors from around the world uh writing to uh the lancet about psychological torture

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and physical torture of julien nassange and that's the kind of pressure and eventually they have

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even with julien nassange they had to let him out uh so now they've started on this road in my opinion

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it demonstrates that there's something that they want to silence him about whether he won two cases

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before or whether he's talking to bobby kennedy jr as he was just before he was arrested uh you

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know there's some things they want to keep him out of the picture and there's only one thing that's

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going to get him out and that's public pressure all right hang on sebastian then mascha and we've got

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and of another eight minutes any other legal questions sebastian um and i would just want to

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say the uh the united states is actually also involved in this because he was extradited from

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from mexico to i believe it was new mexico or arizona so the u.s deep street is definitely

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involved in this um on that basis even a court case could be made in the united states as he

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did touch american soil um you're saying after he was kidnapped from mexico they landed in yes

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the u.s before going to frankfurt yeah they landed in arizona i think before they furthered

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on to to germany according to to the sources that i've heard from so that might be a something to

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investigate and that would get the american legal system the federal court's definitely

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involved with that uh the i want to comment on niels melzer who was and i emphasize he was the

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u.s special rapporteur on torture he is no longer since 2022 the new person is is dr alice jill

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edwards and she's from australia um she is now the the rapporteur so maybe we be we might be

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able to even invite her to uh get her expertise on uh on the committee here very good question

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last last point sorry last point debas is the party that he actually created and was supposed

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to be put up into the german in general elections this year i was looking for it and i do have the

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ballot i took a picture of the ballot his party was not posted on the ballots so i call foul play

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in this but we know that sebastian we know it's foul play we know it's torture it's not a question

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of whether it is or it isn't it's exactly like during the massage so the question is why was he

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kidnapped in the german embassy in mexico or from there as i understand it and then taken to america

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i've forgotten that detail he has taken to america whether he was so he was on american soil the

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plane was on american soil so it must have been okayed by the american government so was the

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german government doing this on on behalf of the american government if so that needs to be exposed

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but nothing's been done anyway i think i have i have to say this i think it is because

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after deutsche bank after vw i think covid was the third rail one of the largest industries in

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the world and and attacking them the pharmaceutical industry as well as the deep state i think that is

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the reason they wanted him out because they knew he could win and folks if we're honest every time

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i don't remember which which which american said it but once a government has been corrupted it is

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the people's duty to overthrow that government and with his investigative committee and with

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with icic he could have you know created a new legal court system also by constitutional law

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so enemies of the state foreign and domestic

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thank you sebashtan that was thomas it seems to me that the real problem for us

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is that they acted against reiner before he was very well known and okay who's well known amongst

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us yes but but um so they could get away with it so i'm talking about the 90 now who chose to

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get vaccinated or whatever it is you know but he was known amongst the 10 but if you ask my wife

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for example she wouldn't have a clue who is um and there are many others who are vaccinated

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anyway you keep asking you keep asking an answerable question steven hold on to that we're

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gonna have we'll have daisy back in a moment we're losing honor in five minutes masher has got a hand

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up um i just would like to address the question how is it possible what kind of jurisdiction it is

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i realized talking to another employer that she was not aware maybe you are not aware as well

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that in germany judges as well as state prosecutors including general prosecutor or

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bundesstaatsanwalt they are employers of the state they get salaries they are absolutely dependent

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you might not be aware but the european um court in luxembourg prohibited to german state

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prosecutors to do international arrests based on their dependency on the state executive

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so and another term i would like just to mention this point is show process this is what it is show

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process not show but show show is more like exposing someone it's about punishing one

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to teach thousands and the definition for show process might be this this is already concluded

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before it even started so it doesn't look really well for rhino but yes with public pressure

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international public pressure he might have the best chance not with their legal system in germany

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it's gone i agree i agree it's going to be with public pressure not with the legal system it's

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obvious it's not well yes so sarah in the chat has got it right in my opinion she says get trump on

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this and challenging challenge him to get him out yes exactly that's the strategy or should be i by

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the way excuse me i put the address of the special reporter in the in the in the chart excuse me

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thank you all right and the last couple of thoughts because you have to go in there one hour

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and then we'll give it back to daisy in terms of potential of raising the public profile and would

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you like to say anything i just appreciate all of you being here and uh throwing around ideas that

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can help us all we have been uh looking at some very uh notable journalists in the united states

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that have international reach i'm not at liberty to say anything at this point we are looking at

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connecting with uh people in high levels of the current administration so uh believe me daisy is a

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one woman spiritual army here in terms of her reaching out to a lot of people in the current

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administration and we are doing what we can and so your involvement please is to write as many

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letters as you can write them to officials uh in our administration as well as the german government

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do what you can to keep reiner spirits good in terms of writing him and and expressing the

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support that you have for him this is not going to be this battle is not going to be fought

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in the court system as much as it is in the divine system and daisy will be talking about that but

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this is a spiritual battle and it has been it's obvious that it's been a spiritual battle from the

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beginning of the covet deception so uh your prayers are very very much needed as well so i

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thank you for being here and for your continued prayers for reiner thank you for having me

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thank you do you have the have you seen in the chat that i put the links to the um letters to

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the huge letters to uh the lancet yes i've made a uh point to copy the chat so i now have i will

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have the chat entirely thank you very much and so i think it's very important that you know anybody

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in this group could write a letter which might make the difference we have no idea but i think

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ana that you should and together with others but not too many because i think it needs to be

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someone well chosen to make the the essential points it has to be extremely well structured

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the the official letter on behalf of reiner yes thank you steven um i'm going to be looking at

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that and sharing it with my colleagues and you can use any ideas that you can find in those lancet

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letters wonderful thank you so much i appreciate and i could actually get the whole group going

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again on behalf of reiner that would be wonderful yes thank you so much but it's a big job it's a

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massive job it is a massive job yes but we could do it you know okay yes don't lose heart we we can

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do it but it's been way too long for reiner and he's not losing heart he's very strong he's always

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encouraging us attorneys to you know keep the faith because when he gets out he wants to

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work with us again in in raising awareness of all of the things that we need to raise awareness

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around so sure he's he's staying strong and uh despite the the white torture so i suggest that

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you show those letters the lancet letters to reiner and ask him whether i don't know whether

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you can talk about things like that but okay well his his letters are not not private so uh

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you know but we might be able to get it through uh through his wife potentially so well we published

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everything actually with with um juno nassange it's very important that we fight back

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because at the moment all the american people who are very active behind trump they don't know

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anything about this if they did there's plenty of people there's plenty of people who know and

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look how long it took to get assange out and in the end in the end he had to plead guilty

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so it takes time so it's not true that nothing much is happening lots is happening and we're

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going to keep going harder and harder and we've got to clearly steven you got to stop buying all

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those german condoms we're going to boycott german condoms

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that's fine thank you very much we'll see you guys later

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can i make a suggestion sorry i i cannot see in my system to activate it

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good i'm gonna just put my i want to put my video on so i can say goodbye to you i don't see where i

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it is it is judge fonso that is speaking judge fonso are you a judge yes congratulations in

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which jurisdiction africa africa thank you um i've put out quite a number of um orders against uh the

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covert vaccination that's why africa is most likely the lowest vaccinated portion in the world

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um we do have a problem with uh what we call the deep state and they never identify

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but the deep state is known it's a committee of 300 um our friend has done quite a lot of work on

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that so i do have a list of the committee of 300 members and some other documentation and the

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involvement in the criminal gang which is called the cia which by definition is a terrorist

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organization which i declared also so in the previous previous orders

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so my suggestion would be i can make all this information available and let's move forward with

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uh letters of objection to the committee of 300 so that their names become known in the press

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otherwise they will continue to hide behind the facade of the government's we say all control

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because each and every one in in the german government is just another puppet

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yeah adrian that's fantastic if you have that and i'm uh with the work that daisy's doing

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adrian can can you send i'll link you up with daisy because that information of those names would be

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happy to liaise with you steven and i and daisy and shining a light on that and you know that

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that's a that's a that would be a wonderful valuable step thank you

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so uh if you adrian if you put into the um chat there for me then just do send me a direct message

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then just do send me a direct message and i'll link you up with with daisy and i think daisy i

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hope you understand the value of the committee of 300 i'm sure you've heard of the committee of 300

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in the journey of the people who are really pulling the strings and um i might i might um

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yeah we'll we'll i've got some thoughts that i don't want to publish all right so thank you

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thank you adrian send me a note and we'll do that linkage daisy that is that is gold to shine a

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light on these people so we're in your hands now daisy in terms of this in terms of strategy we'll

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have the the opportunity to brainstorm what your strategy is the dozens of letters that you've

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written and you know what you would like people to do people who are watching this recording so over

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to you well i think it is a good idea to have a look where do we invest our energy in

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and that is a question every single one of us every one of us and together we can think for that

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now simply put the mind cannot be positive and not positive at the same time

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when i'm occupied with the not positive then i'm i'm putting my energy there and i believe that we

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all in reiner's case and for reiner we have we have invested so much energy into the not good

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which is of course important to bring light to what is not good and put it in the spotlight and

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and share it with the world and show it but i think that we now we are the many

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we are the many and when we join our energy together and start speaking about what we

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really want to live what we really want the mind as i say is it it cannot be positive and not

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positive at the same time so all the thoughts we are thinking and the many words and caring

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suggestions that i'm hearing here and thank you for for having me here what are we feeding which

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energy field are we truly feeding with this and i think it is just about time it is it is high time

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now that we we very clearly speak and say what we do want and stop speaking about what we do not want

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because i give a very simple example when i now say to you please under no circumstances under no

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circumstances think about the little kitten that i saw playing yesterday with the little

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squirrel on the tree and the little kitten thought it was his mommy i know exactly what

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you're thinking because i i give you signals verbally you hear it acoustically and it decodes

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in your mind into pictures and pictures are connected with the bodies the the feeling that

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the body produces that they match and therefore then we feel a certain way great example with the

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lemon i'm i'm slicing my lemons and in the kitchen and you see me squeeze it because i measure it in

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the measuring cup and i squeeze some more and then i drink a sip of this lemon juice and i suck on the

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lemon peel and you now most likely your saliva production increased where is the lemon it's

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it's here in your mind now while we are while we are investing time with

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with solution finding by speaking about what's not good how are we manifesting the good

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and in kind i we invite on thursday april 10th at 8 p.m eastern time for for a workshop that

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that in kind i offer and bring into this world so that that all you good-hearted people who intend

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well and want good into this world that you know how to utilize simple and easy tools

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that you know how to focus on what is good and no longer and never again focus on anything else but

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only on the good and it is very simple with with five easy words and two simple words

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and once you see that

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i circle back to 2020

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many people i work with and i'm i'm in connection with and are are supporting the

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the initiative that incand i bring into this world we agree that what happened in 2020

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was not happening when we know how to trust how to measure trust and most importantly trust ourselves

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when i don't trust myself i'm seeking and hanging on to so many things that are not good

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when i trust myself and i know how to i've television pardon me keep going keep going yeah

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so um we we can certainly take our power for ourselves so that together for each other we

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we create the world as peacefully and lovingly and caringly as we wish it to see and wish it to be

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and that is what what i wish to inspire every soul when you really want good then your behavior

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will show that is i've seen so many people they they wrote and they sent emails and they sent

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they sent letters and they called me and messaged on social media and they said yes stacy i have a

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contact i'm doing this i help you with this and when they when they do not follow through in a

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timely manner then that is their choice and it shows me how trustworthy they are so therefore i'm

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i'm gaining even more energy and i save even more energy for focusing on the good

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and when when 100 people do this let's imagine we are we are we are 2000 people 20 000 people

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that has such a ripple effect that is enlightening and inspiring because when i tell you do not

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we see it in the in the popular books around the world to do not this do not take their 10

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10 special commands and and in other other books there are different versions of it and and there

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it says do not with the wife or do not take anyone else's property or do not not tell the truth

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and what happens around the world that it does not work when we continue standing

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but but daisy we're not we don't want to be good to our enemies and the trouble is

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we want to be good for ourselves together for each other well yes but we can't hang around

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too long for doing that so so we have to decide uh who the bad people are and we can't agree on

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that so um okay i respect that i respect that look i think we all each have a gift we bring into this

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world and many of us have many gifts and when we bring these gifts together for each other not i

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bring my gift for me no i bring my gift for you i bring my gift together for each other and when

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we all do that we are so empowered and so strong and that is what what what supports me and what

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energizes me continuing writing dozens dozen letters many dozen letters to leaders in the

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world and yes donald trump was made very well aware of the situation with reiner and also aware

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that reiner is friends with bobby f kennedy junior and and there are many other people

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who are made aware the good news is that there is there is one that it surprised me in a very good

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way kesh patel he responded and inquired more information you can find letters for the leaders

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or letters written to leaders on behalf for reiner's freedom on on the foundation menu now

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i i have heard um that

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that many are are curious and and want to know more of what is what is with reiner and how is he

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doing and how is inka doing and i wish to share with you that that inka is not doing well and

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reiner is not doing well and we all must come together now when if not now and who if not us so

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um the human rights for the un i heard someone asking ana regarding that we are in connection

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with um with many from their institution in geneva and i can clearly say based on their behavior and

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the words they are using the bureaucracy is stronger than they and i think that because it

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is urgent and reiner's freedom is my my absolute priority i think that it is a good idea when we

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when we are pioneers and find new ways and and think think wide and think free what is it that

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we can do what is it that i can do what is it we together can do for reiner for each other and the

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um lady i think nadia maybe what's the name when she asked about the rki files if that helps we

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wrote several letters from my foundation and the daisy pub mindset evolution foundation several

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letters to to leaders in germany and people with ranking position that are decision makers and can

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influence reiner's freedom in a good way the the coronavirus pandemic committee final

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what was the name of that maybe joseph please help me the 520 pages um final closing statements

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they they had this research done that is public since december the third so ever since everyone

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around the world knows um what or can find the information what um what the virus was and what

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reiner did and actually that even proves more that reiner was right from the beginning with all the

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findings and all the questions he raised and all the interviews he conducted with the corona

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investigative committee and also icic and um joseph you're you're referring can you hear me

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yes thank you you're referring to the congressional report that is a report yes final report i think

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that was it's called thank you very much yes and that is that is public it's a it's public and

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and we made it we made many people aware of this we also made aware viviane fischer of this there's

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a letter that is public and published on on the foundation website in the menu letters to leaders

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when you scroll some of them are translated into english some of them remain original german and

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there is there is so much we can do and i think when we say okay let's let's once a week for 30

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minutes all we do we bring the good ideas we bring the good ideas everyone can do this this

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come together with your friends with your families with with good humans in your communities at work

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outside of work and in your leisure time and and really have these inspirational

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ecstasy moments where you just solely bring the good into the world and you will be surprised

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what ideas come to you and through you and what dots you are connecting you are capable

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every one of you is capable of having outstanding wonderful really peace-bringing ideas and

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i wish i wish this is um these are seeds that that i saw and now can i can i say something to

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follow up on that can i just say something crazy hang on stay don't need any we don't need any

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lectures on steven quiet joseph's first thing you ask i think i think it would be very useful

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daisy if you could share a couple of those letters with this group because they're

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extraordinary letters that approach these very important people around the world in a way that

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they cannot ignore so you're not making any political statements you're not

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ideological at all in your approach but instead you're appealing to them as human beings and to

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their humane values and that is the kind of thing that they will respond to no matter whether they're

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german or they're american whether they're left wing right wing it doesn't matter

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the personal appeal to their conscience and to their humane values is the key

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thank you is it enabled for sharing video charles uh yes one moment it is just a second

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and

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can you see the screen so here here you see um i i think what a good idea is to to see

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the letter from february 24th to the u.s embassy in berlin and i copied president donald trump

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jd vance vice president uh pan bondy attorney general of the united states jf kennedy jr

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rf kennedy jr caspatel and dr kathrine valman minister of justice in lower saxony where

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where reiner is and so here you see i'm sharing a little bit who i am and so my name is stacy

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puppet i'm close friends with dr reiner fulmi the german american lawyer wrongfully incarcerated

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in pretrial detention at the high security prison in most of germany lower saxony for over 16 months

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since his wrongful abduction from mexico i'm also a close confidant of his wife inca who languages

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and under difficult circumstances in mexico suffering terribly from the separation from

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her beloved husband they must be reunited and allowed to heal the cause of dr reiner fulmi is

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a shocking scandalous example of political persecution in the 21st century we all heard

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vice president vance's speech before the munich security conference followed by his attendance

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at the cpac where he cited instances of unjust treatment of individuals throughout europe

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and he cited the object failings the abject failings of european governments to act on

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behalf of the citizenry to ensure freedom of speech nowhere in this is more obvious and

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obvious than in germany today i ask you graciously urgently send trial observers to göttingen where

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the scandalous show trial of the brave highly intelligent and noble hero dr reiner fulmi is

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being held dr reiner fulmi researched and exposed the truth about covid and much more

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furthermore he enlightened the whole world about what really happened and happens saving millions

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of lives around the world as dr reiner fulmi's mistreatment is even more egregious than the

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example cited by vice president vance recently him being placed in solitary confinement for months

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to end and to end and his life being in danger i am kindly asking you from heart to heart from

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human to human to utilize your power and heart to shine a light and free dr reiner fulmi by sending

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trial observers now this is one of the many examples um here what i wrote to to pam bondy

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um joe rogan i'm i'm asking kindly that he's shining a light on this then marco rubio where

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i'm sharing with him that i think it is a good idea to see value the value reiner is is a very

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very valuable uh human uh and a great asset as as a consultant for any presidency especially the one

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that is currently here in the u.s i think um then here first in gloria fontana taxes she is a

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she is a highly renowned aristocrat in germany and she's she has wide reach and influence and i

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wrote also i'm writing to reach her humane uh see the humane essence in her that is that is i think

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then here j.d vance that i am i'm congratulating him that he that he wrote that he spoke so nicely

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in in munich at the security conference and i am drawing his attention on the circumstances and

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reiner's um reiner's situation i have met with congress people and senators and bring that in

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1:16:51 --> 1:16:59
person uh to their attention then i'm writing uh for elon musk and i think when we think out

651
1:17:00 --> 1:17:07
off the box so here this is the very first um when we knew that donald trump was elected that is when

652
1:17:07 --> 1:17:14
i wrote the first letter on behalf for reiner to donald trump and there are many the german

653
1:17:14 --> 1:17:22
uh president state um this is here is um in in germ an english language translated then

654
1:17:22 --> 1:17:30
frank rosenbach a attorney who um who supported uh viviana fischer and i wrote him that he pleased

655
1:17:30 --> 1:17:38
forward my letter to um to viviana and actually here's this final report uh i just see that um i

656
1:17:38 --> 1:17:46
will copy it and post it in the in the chat and a letter to viviana fischer and the minister of

657
1:17:46 --> 1:17:53
justice in germany and so i'm the ministry of justice in in lower saxony so there are

658
1:17:53 --> 1:18:04
plenty full letters and um and so on i can go on and i think um which is which is uh important

659
1:18:04 --> 1:18:12
that to see that responses when i receive responses or when when when responses are

660
1:18:12 --> 1:18:19
being created for me that i see that they have a very different tone because they see that i see

661
1:18:19 --> 1:18:26
them as human and so we meet on that on that human level and i think i consider that very healthy and

662
1:18:27 --> 1:18:36
i consider this very peace bringing um for for reiner and joseph um charles i'd like to to

663
1:18:36 --> 1:18:46
invite joseph to um to share a bit more oh i is he here yes here he is is that fine with you charles

664
1:18:46 --> 1:18:51
is that good with you yeah absolutely joseph if you would please like to say anything

665
1:18:51 --> 1:19:01
um why don't you take the question first and then i'll chime in okay there's a question there

666
1:19:01 --> 1:19:07
daisy daisy your letters for the people who said can we have can they have a look at the letters

667
1:19:07 --> 1:19:12
that you've sent or precedents so that they can use them for their own letters and that's a great

668
1:19:12 --> 1:19:18
idea and we circulated your letters in the invitation everybody back in february um in

669
1:19:18 --> 1:19:23
the invitations to these meetings but of course some people didn't get those invitations but daisy

670
1:19:23 --> 1:19:27
if you can post anything that you would like people to use as a precedent in the chat please do

671
1:19:29 --> 1:19:35
or we can put it onto the um to the website page the web page that we're using or here which in

672
1:19:35 --> 1:19:41
fact we probably should do when i think about it what we'll do daisy is the letters that you want

673
1:19:41 --> 1:19:46
to put up onto the site where we promote these meetings we've got we can have a purpose so we've

674
1:19:46 --> 1:19:52
got zoe smith's material there we can have your letters there and that becomes a permanent reminder

675
1:19:52 --> 1:19:59
of what we do what we fight for rhina thank you thank you that is a wonderful opportunity

676
1:19:59 --> 1:20:04
thank you thank you now now so daisy tell us when you're finished because then steven frost will

677
1:20:04 --> 1:20:12
ask the first series of questions and then we'll go to other questions okay so yes yes so it's up

678
1:20:12 --> 1:20:20
to you to say rona i'm now ready for q and a yes i think i would um i really invite you to

679
1:20:21 --> 1:20:30
to help inca and and support this rhino is is prominent and rhino is very powerful he is an

680
1:20:30 --> 1:20:42
example um how strong he is in the circumstances he is he's in right now he he now encourages us

681
1:20:42 --> 1:20:53
to to to be together and and to bring good into this world together and i feel very very humbled

682
1:20:54 --> 1:21:02
by his courage and his strength and he is a wonderful example and um when he's free he's

683
1:21:03 --> 1:21:10
he's like a racehorse he will he is running and fast and he is brilliantly thinking and doing all

684
1:21:10 --> 1:21:18
all he can and he has proven that he can so please support inca when we support inca inca

685
1:21:18 --> 1:21:26
supports rhino in in a one-of-a-kind way because he's she inca is his wife and a very very

686
1:21:27 --> 1:21:36
empowering emotional um support for rhino and this is i think how we manifest rhino's freedom

687
1:21:37 --> 1:21:43
thank you thank you for for all your help very good very good well done well done all of the

688
1:21:43 --> 1:21:50
steps that that you are taking your commitment to this it's um now one thing that you might would

689
1:21:50 --> 1:21:54
might i've got a couple of things i might get you to talk about but stephen first you next 15 minutes

690
1:21:54 --> 1:22:07
is yours just a second just two seconds um so um daisy hi um thank you for coming to speak to us

691
1:22:07 --> 1:22:15
um i would suggest and look i don't think um i think it's very important that we have the courage

692
1:22:15 --> 1:22:21
to say what we really think and there's absolutely no point in me agreeing with you when actually i

693
1:22:21 --> 1:22:28
think you you are a kind of leader daisy so but you missed the point rather so you you were talking

694
1:22:28 --> 1:22:34
to us trying to teach us about goodness but actually and you weren't going to show us your

695
1:22:34 --> 1:22:39
letters i don't think when actually your letters were perfectly okay i mean obviously they could

696
1:22:39 --> 1:22:45
letters can always be improved it's just a matter of opinion um but i think your strongest point

697
1:22:45 --> 1:22:53
are your letters not telling people to be good and to seek goodness in others we all know that

698
1:22:53 --> 1:23:00
in this group so um so and also you know we've been battling for four years with this

699
1:23:01 --> 1:23:07
so we don't need any lectures on how to be good i did try to say that early but i think charles

700
1:23:07 --> 1:23:13
muted me so um so we all have different opinions about how things should be done

701
1:23:14 --> 1:23:22
but i think it's very important so you're on this channel now i'm saying that you should concentrate

702
1:23:22 --> 1:23:28
on the letters but maybe get a bit more focused obviously you can disagree with me but rather than

703
1:23:29 --> 1:23:34
i think your strongest point is your letters the fact that you've written to these people

704
1:23:34 --> 1:23:41
that's exactly what but i would publish them i would publish them and also have you written

705
1:23:41 --> 1:23:46
twice to people like joe rogan or have you just sent one letter one letter is not enough

706
1:23:48 --> 1:23:54
well um there this is a selection of published published letters and there are many more that

707
1:23:54 --> 1:24:01
are written and archived i'd like to respond to your observation um that you perceive

708
1:24:02 --> 1:24:10
my words as teaching or lecture i'm inspiring and whoever you're not inspiring us in me because i

709
1:24:10 --> 1:24:21
know all the stuff you're talking about my my um my standard um is is in communication is understand

710
1:24:21 --> 1:24:30
and be understood without the need to be right and i offer and who feels like this is this is

711
1:24:30 --> 1:24:35
something they want and it feels good for them they will gladly take it and that is what my offer

712
1:24:35 --> 1:24:41
is for and it's like when you walk into a supermarket store and you just like this specific

713
1:24:41 --> 1:24:48
item i do not stand there and complain that this item is there and why this item is there i move

714
1:24:48 --> 1:24:52
on and i go to the item that i like and i take that yeah but we know that it's obvious this daisy

715
1:24:52 --> 1:24:58
so the point is the point is that i see i'm just telling you what my opinion is because people are

716
1:24:58 --> 1:25:05
very bad at giving their real opinion and i don't want to you're our guest so i don't want to not

717
1:25:05 --> 1:25:11
help you but i'm just saying that i think you should you should concentrate on your letters

718
1:25:11 --> 1:25:17
and the strategy surrounding the letters because your job is to inform the public essentially

719
1:25:17 --> 1:25:23
and you need to publish these letters somewhere and the the bigger the like we we aimed for the

720
1:25:23 --> 1:25:30
lancet and to our surprise the lancet actually published the letters about juno song about the

721
1:25:30 --> 1:25:35
psychological torture of it was a brilliant strategy i think it wasn't just me there were

722
1:25:35 --> 1:25:41
other people who agreed and we just did it and you have to so i'm i'm not saying that anyone has

723
1:25:41 --> 1:25:48
all the answers i'm just saying that it's not you know to a group like this i think you need to know

724
1:25:48 --> 1:25:54
your audience we've been battling for four years and we know all about the spiritual dimension you

725
1:25:54 --> 1:26:02
know i didn't know anything about spirituality prior to this group this group four years ago

726
1:26:02 --> 1:26:06
but we've had so many different guests from different backgrounds that we've learned together

727
1:26:07 --> 1:26:13
and the idea i've realized now that the idea was always to get to the truth or to get as near as

728
1:26:13 --> 1:26:21
possible as human beings can to the truth and so um i'm just a bit frustrated that you don't seem

729
1:26:21 --> 1:26:30
to see your strongest point anyway that's all i've got to say i appreciate your your view and

730
1:26:30 --> 1:26:37
i appreciate your compliment on the letters sure okay thank you stephen and sebastian

731
1:26:46 --> 1:26:48
sebastian you you are muted sebastian

732
1:26:52 --> 1:26:59
thanks stephen i hit the button but it didn't it didn't hit it so um hi again daisy and uh thanks

733
1:26:59 --> 1:27:05
thanks for all all that you're doing and all you've said i did notice that you wrote a letter to

734
1:27:05 --> 1:27:12
viviana fisher and um if i correctly heard or understood that she is actually in some form

735
1:27:12 --> 1:27:19
involved with the with the reiners prosecution or with the with the alleged accusations um

736
1:27:20 --> 1:27:26
has she has she come out and said anything about all of this that is happening has she offered any

737
1:27:26 --> 1:27:34
form of assistance assistance for assistance to get him out of jail to you know clarify the situation

738
1:27:35 --> 1:27:43
now well that was exactly my letter about that is what i'm writing to her to to stand and um be kind

739
1:27:43 --> 1:27:52
and and and speak the truth because i think she is in a in a position that she she has a key that

740
1:27:52 --> 1:28:02
is very helpful for opening um reiner's freedom and a follow-up is um have any apart from cash

741
1:28:02 --> 1:28:07
betel have any of those letters been answered especially what would be interesting is from

742
1:28:07 --> 1:28:14
the german legal system from the jury justice office etc yes yes there were responses the

743
1:28:16 --> 1:28:22
the german ministry of justice has responded that it's none of their business and it is the state

744
1:28:23 --> 1:28:31
ministry of justice so i wrote to the ministry of justice in lower saxony and they responded that

745
1:28:31 --> 1:28:39
they took this as a as a as a complaint which i then clarified this is not a complaint i wish

746
1:28:39 --> 1:28:47
to share awareness and bring awareness for them and the if the responses were were brief and

747
1:28:47 --> 1:28:54
acknowledging so they are very well aware of that besides that also there are letters and there's

748
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communication with leaders in the rfd germany german alternative

749
1:29:02 --> 1:29:10
thank you and well there are many other letters that that are that are archived and received yes

750
1:29:11 --> 1:29:17
okay thank you again daisy so much thank you sebastian thank you for your support so daisy

751
1:29:17 --> 1:29:24
the question that's asked is how do people join the event on the 10th of april yeah when you

752
1:29:24 --> 1:29:32
go on james rugaski's article that he shared then it is it is featured there when you scroll

753
1:29:32 --> 1:29:38
there's support for reiner and then there's the workshop and i'm or you go to daisypup.com

754
1:29:38 --> 1:29:45
and then on there's a picture with reiner and inca and then when you scroll there is the workshop

755
1:29:45 --> 1:29:52
and you can sign up there for it beautiful thank you thank you excuse me i'll put link to james

756
1:29:52 --> 1:29:59
rugaski article into the chat good thanks masha carrie oh sorry you want the link

757
1:29:59 --> 1:30:03
or go to daisy's website daisypup.com carrie

758
1:30:09 --> 1:30:17
hi um i i was thinking and and again usually these should be in forms of questions i realize but

759
1:30:18 --> 1:30:25
um you know trump is negotiating tariffs right now and i'm thinking you know that that should

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1:30:25 --> 1:30:32
be linked in there we have a political prisoner who is a u.s citizen who resided in california

761
1:30:33 --> 1:30:41
in prison in germany and we will not give you good terms on this on the tariffs to the u

762
1:30:41 --> 1:30:47
unless you release him that's my thinking okay thank you so i'm going to be advocating for that

763
1:30:48 --> 1:30:55
reiner is german citizen but i think he is also u.s he lived in u.s for a long time no he's not

764
1:30:55 --> 1:31:03
a u.s citizen he's not he doesn't have dual he's not an american citizen okay well now that

765
1:31:04 --> 1:31:11
complicates things a lot but he was living um but he was working he was living in california so he

766
1:31:11 --> 1:31:19
had a green card right but just not citizenship reiner is german citizen that is um what i share

767
1:31:19 --> 1:31:25
here oh you don't okay you don't share anything else got it got it um yeah i was just wondering

768
1:31:27 --> 1:31:32
daisy no he must have a german citizen yes but he must have a green card

769
1:31:33 --> 1:31:39
u.s citizen but he should have a green card in order to have lived in california as long as he did

770
1:31:40 --> 1:31:46
yes so i i don't know why we can't share certain things but i'll respect that and i'm going

771
1:31:47 --> 1:31:51
to um lower my hand thank you very much for what you're doing i really do

772
1:31:52 --> 1:31:56
but carrie that's very important because permanent residents in other words someone

773
1:31:56 --> 1:32:03
who's got a green card uh they don't have quite the rights of a u.s citizen but they have

774
1:32:03 --> 1:32:12
pretty near the same rights steven um reiner is german citizen and has um and that is his

775
1:32:12 --> 1:32:22
citizenship he has no residency elsewhere so how is he working in california how he he's he's

776
1:32:22 --> 1:32:30
licensed there everyone can have a license okay well he couldn't stay i can't remember the figures

777
1:32:30 --> 1:32:35
now but you can't stay more than he can't have a license if he isn't um if he doesn't have the

778
1:32:35 --> 1:32:42
right he he cannot have practice law in california right unless he has permanent residence i don't

779
1:32:42 --> 1:32:50
and a green card at least i would think and lately yeah but he i i i think that needs to be clarified

780
1:32:50 --> 1:32:56
because i really think trump could help yes and that would would be a lever leverage you know okay

781
1:32:56 --> 1:33:02
okay i agree carrie thank you thanks carrie cilia

782
1:33:05 --> 1:33:08
uh yeah thank you daisy for

783
1:33:11 --> 1:33:18
everything you're doing i um i when i was returning from sweden recently on the sorry let me turn my

784
1:33:18 --> 1:33:26
volume up a little bit i uh had a chance to reread the document either you or joseph sent me called

785
1:33:26 --> 1:33:34
it's called reiner fulmich something like complete summary up to february 3rd and it's 13 pages

786
1:33:35 --> 1:33:42
and upon like being in the plane and having total focus and time so much in that document jumped

787
1:33:42 --> 1:33:49
out at me as bombshells that i hadn't quite understood the bombshell nature of it including

788
1:33:49 --> 1:33:58
this document that i don't know if reiner unearthed it but it was about it's it was point blank black

789
1:33:58 --> 1:34:07
on white concession by the german deep state that they had set reiner up is this ringing a bell

790
1:34:07 --> 1:34:14
that they had in writing said we've got to get this guy and we've got to get him on yes right

791
1:34:15 --> 1:34:24
right that's serious bombshell stuff so my question is sorry but who did you write this i

792
1:34:24 --> 1:34:30
don't remember who wrote it but it needs i wonder if that document couldn't i you know i've done

793
1:34:30 --> 1:34:37
i've gotten the story placed here and there but i not it didn't catch fire like greg reese did two

794
1:34:37 --> 1:34:44
reports um we got joseph and anna on caravan to midnight but then they didn't follow through so

795
1:34:44 --> 1:34:50
it's like we want a few sources who will keep spread the fire we want it to spread like a fire

796
1:34:50 --> 1:34:58
and i think if that document can be used as a fire spreader to light the fire and really because

797
1:34:58 --> 1:35:03
journalists and producers are always looking for bombshell stories and even i even though i had

798
1:35:03 --> 1:35:10
read it hadn't quite understood oh my god the german deep state admitted that they that they

799
1:35:10 --> 1:35:16
framed him like if that can be packaged as a kaboom i'm just i'm asking you two things

800
1:35:17 --> 1:35:27
number one who wrote the document cynthia saltino okay because it doesn't have it was a was it was

801
1:35:27 --> 1:35:35
a combined work we we um and cynthia yeah okay when you are referring cilia when you are referring to

802
1:35:36 --> 1:35:45
to the um to where where the um the prosecutors are writing so okay so we need where they had

803
1:35:45 --> 1:35:54
communication with the um with with the joseph joseph how do you say that those who who started

804
1:35:54 --> 1:36:01
the began the persecution the case that's criminal case the the complaint

805
1:36:01 --> 1:36:10
complainants complainants thank you thank you um these um there were communications with

806
1:36:10 --> 1:36:17
with the attorney general and and that is uh i think it was it attorney general stats anvatt

807
1:36:17 --> 1:36:25
what's that in in english that's the um district attorney district attorney of that region of that

808
1:36:25 --> 1:36:34
region and i have that in the copy from a part from day i think it was april

809
1:36:37 --> 1:36:44
i will look the date where the where i have the complete plea from edgar simond one of

810
1:36:44 --> 1:36:50
reiners defense attorneys and i know that he wrote it there it is it is included and i can

811
1:36:51 --> 1:36:59
i can send you um a screenshot from that if that is helpful for you uh for for having what i would

812
1:36:59 --> 1:37:07
like daisy is just your permission to tell me whose name can i attach both both of your names

813
1:37:07 --> 1:37:14
then to this document and send it out as it is because and maybe highlight what i'm calling the

814
1:37:14 --> 1:37:22
bombshells and maybe write a top paragraph what i suggest what i suggest cilia please send me

815
1:37:22 --> 1:37:29
send me that particular document that you have in mind send it to me via email so that i'm certain

816
1:37:29 --> 1:37:36
that we are speaking for the same document and we can we can speak on whatsapp or we can meet on

817
1:37:36 --> 1:37:41
zoom and then we we i share with you what i have and you tell me this is what i want how's that

818
1:37:42 --> 1:37:49
it's like a candy store do you agree with me in principle that this fact alone could cause

819
1:37:50 --> 1:37:55
the alternative media even i think a lot of alternative media and joseph has and i have

820
1:37:55 --> 1:38:00
talked about this you and i have talked about this for them it's kind of oh there's just so many

821
1:38:00 --> 1:38:08
details in that case i don't really understand it it was a complex where those words appear

822
1:38:08 --> 1:38:12
where they're saying we're gonna get him we're gonna set him up i think that would really

823
1:38:13 --> 1:38:19
if we can just put a frame around that i'm just asking do you agree that that maybe okay sometimes

824
1:38:19 --> 1:38:24
you guys are too close to it so maybe you lose sight of the what i'm calling the bombshells but

825
1:38:25 --> 1:38:33
i know media you know and you are the master in your trade i really think yeah that could do it

826
1:38:33 --> 1:38:38
that could do it and maybe it should even be minimized so that a lot of the detail is left

827
1:38:38 --> 1:38:45
out and that but that alone can become the story that leads if i may add something here there's

828
1:38:45 --> 1:38:55
also another document that was unearthed by another attorney mizarei which is the file that he

829
1:38:56 --> 1:39:06
uh got hold of on rhina the title of which is corona right so i don't know if you're referring

830
1:39:06 --> 1:39:17
to that but that but the the just the title itself gives it all away yes i agree so that um

831
1:39:18 --> 1:39:24
yes so as daisy i think it's very important what cilia's saying so we're going to get him shows

832
1:39:24 --> 1:39:28
intent to commit the psychological torture which they're carrying out

833
1:39:30 --> 1:39:32
that's very important

834
1:39:34 --> 1:39:40
yeah in other words we have ammunition we haven't used we have correct yeah

835
1:39:43 --> 1:39:50
but thank you thank you for for thinking and and being creative and bringing this

836
1:39:50 --> 1:39:52
well cilia that's cilia's job she's an investigative

837
1:39:52 --> 1:39:57
what sometimes you see something and you don't quite see it and now i really saw it you know

838
1:39:57 --> 1:40:03
this is just a few days ago and i really want to package this and go out and give them less

839
1:40:04 --> 1:40:10
so they don't get overwhelmed give them less this time you know greg has done two reports

840
1:40:12 --> 1:40:17
care what i didn't see like when greg reese did his reports on right what i want to see is the

841
1:40:17 --> 1:40:26
relationship between getting it out in alternative media and it resulting in help for reiner or fire

842
1:40:26 --> 1:40:33
a sense of heat in the german circles the people who have done this that's what i'm looking for

843
1:40:33 --> 1:40:39
where is their vulnerability killy's healed do they care absolutely always look for the the thing

844
1:40:39 --> 1:40:46
that they don't want published and then publish it like mad we did that with david kelly well i'll

845
1:40:46 --> 1:40:51
package this and with daisy and co-operation and we'll send it around and then everyone should

846
1:40:51 --> 1:41:00
just send it send it if you have podcasts talk about it it's incredibly damning absolutely

847
1:41:02 --> 1:41:10
i'm sorry are we talking about cynthia salatino's i am right yes and her name is not on this

848
1:41:10 --> 1:41:17
document but i guess that was just an oversight but remind me who cynthia salatino is in the

849
1:41:18 --> 1:41:23
she's a member of icic she's a colleague of ours okay okay

850
1:41:25 --> 1:41:33
who wrote a summary well i'm not a lawyer but um any kind of document which says we're going to

851
1:41:33 --> 1:41:38
get him and subsequently they found to be kidnapping in the german embassy in mexico

852
1:41:38 --> 1:41:44
and then transporting him via the usa to germany where he's psychologically tortured by his own

853
1:41:44 --> 1:41:51
government and they and we've got a document saying we're going to get him and another document you

854
1:41:51 --> 1:41:59
say is use upper which says corona simply and then we publish all then i think you should publish

855
1:41:59 --> 1:42:04
all the videos which rhino formic made very important to do that as well

856
1:42:04 --> 1:42:13
so what do you say cynthia yes absolutely 100 and frankly i'm also just wondering about

857
1:42:15 --> 1:42:23
chd and i mean let's just brainstorm who do we um i talked about reiner a lot with

858
1:42:23 --> 1:42:28
vira shrav she came out with something this is several months ago now and this caused

859
1:42:28 --> 1:42:30
um

860
1:42:30 --> 1:42:38
mary holland to come out with something and it seemed like it was beginning to to snowball

861
1:42:38 --> 1:42:45
and then it kind of stopped you know and and reiner sent a an audio recording

862
1:42:46 --> 1:42:54
to bobby kennedy and to myself and vira shrav and i sent that to bobby kennedy and he listened to it

863
1:42:54 --> 1:43:02
and he texted back uh joseph and daisy know this he just wrote give my give him my love

864
1:43:03 --> 1:43:10
um this was a couple of months ago my my optimistic sense of that is that you know

865
1:43:11 --> 1:43:19
the seed is planted and who knows who knows but i'm wondering about for example chd does anybody

866
1:43:19 --> 1:43:25
know have they done any have we approached them for actual you know interviews about this

867
1:43:27 --> 1:43:34
they do interviews all the time at cd interview mary holland cilia do you know how to i can put

868
1:43:34 --> 1:43:39
you in touch with mary holland oh no i yeah no i know mary i mean in fact i shouldn't i should

869
1:43:39 --> 1:43:45
just ask her directly i have a feeling there's a little i don't know what the problem could possibly

870
1:43:45 --> 1:43:53
be of this should be a no-brainer you know so the strategy cilia i think you would agree is to find

871
1:43:53 --> 1:43:58
as many things that they don't want published as possible but then have a look at them all and

872
1:43:58 --> 1:44:04
pick the best and keep repeating the same thing like propaganda the very thing that they don't

873
1:44:04 --> 1:44:09
want highlighted so in the case of david kelly we said it was impossible for david kelly we as

874
1:44:10 --> 1:44:18
doctors said it was impossible for david kelly to kill himself by slashing himself his left

875
1:44:18 --> 1:44:25
ulna artery we said it would be impossible in our medical opinion they didn't like that and they

876
1:44:25 --> 1:44:30
tried to bury it but they couldn't bury it and we changed public opinion in the united kingdom

877
1:44:30 --> 1:44:36
over david kelly's death david kelly was the weapon scientist involved in the yeah

878
1:44:36 --> 1:44:43
war i remember when you did all that i didn't know you then but that was amazing um yeah so

879
1:44:43 --> 1:44:51
you're saying steven even sending to like orthodox outlets that one wouldn't expect can even that can

880
1:44:51 --> 1:44:56
be successful you can still turn public opinion around absolutely because yeah people some people

881
1:44:56 --> 1:45:03
are good and some people who are weak when they're faced with say the u.s government

882
1:45:04 --> 1:45:11
they're also good and they may find a way that uh you know they can kind of escape scrutiny but

883
1:45:11 --> 1:45:17
still tip someone off and make a difference and when you've got human beings working together

884
1:45:18 --> 1:45:25
using their intuition and their spirituality they are very good at connecting because they sense

885
1:45:26 --> 1:45:27
who they should connect with

886
1:45:27 --> 1:45:33
yeah what can anybody suggest any programs or shows or outlets that would be

887
1:45:34 --> 1:45:41
in anybody's view like the what could tilt it in the right direction

888
1:45:43 --> 1:45:49
jo rogan you know i'm not a big fan of jo rogan and it's like a boys club to me but anyway

889
1:45:50 --> 1:45:54
he's got a massive audience you have to respect that so um and

890
1:45:54 --> 1:46:01
you know why would jo rogan what reason would jo rogan have for not giving this case light

891
1:46:02 --> 1:46:11
right well he would need i mean he does three hour interviews he doesn't cover stories he does

892
1:46:11 --> 1:46:18
three hour interviews so somebody would have to be on his show for a three hour interview to lay

893
1:46:18 --> 1:46:24
out the whole entire thing and i i think i i would imagine he would do it if because he

894
1:46:25 --> 1:46:33
is not afraid of oh yes you could be very good at that oh not i i don't know the details well

895
1:46:33 --> 1:46:41
enough but no you could be we could brush you up on that may i recommend um redacted if anyone has

896
1:46:41 --> 1:46:49
contact to to them they are pretty good they have a very very large international following

897
1:46:49 --> 1:46:52
it's clinton and uh oh yes i know

898
1:46:52 --> 1:47:02
or is yeah okay does anyone have their contact info i have written to them stephen when you have

899
1:47:02 --> 1:47:09
their contact i really appreciate when you when you have that for me when you have that for me

900
1:47:09 --> 1:47:16
when you have a contact when you have more contact or yeah sure um so

901
1:47:18 --> 1:47:25
maybe judge napolitano would do it but sebastian sebastian couldn't you couldn't do it to start

902
1:47:25 --> 1:47:32
with um i'm sure we could start would start off but we are not that big i have to admit

903
1:47:32 --> 1:47:42
i have to admit um we have around 460 500 followers on youtube and small and other

904
1:47:42 --> 1:47:47
platforms but this uh i mean i can ask the gentleman definitely me there there's absolutely

905
1:47:47 --> 1:47:52
no question about that please do but i think if you want to start off you you want to do something

906
1:47:52 --> 1:48:01
big and i think redacted would be a good a good um position to aim for is it correct that there's

907
1:48:01 --> 1:48:08
studios are in tampa is that correct they were in norway or someplace i think they were in

908
1:48:08 --> 1:48:15
portugal and then did they come back and their studios are now in tampa i think they're in the

909
1:48:15 --> 1:48:21
states i don't know where someone said colorado yeah so the big question is who would you have as

910
1:48:21 --> 1:48:28
the interviewee so i think um you know from the people i know i don't think you'll find anyone

911
1:48:28 --> 1:48:33
better than cilia because she is very good at sticking the knife in where it hurts

912
1:48:36 --> 1:48:43
come on i haven't said to you have i i hope no thank you i thank you i appreciate that

913
1:48:43 --> 1:48:50
good i want be if i would like them to be afraid of my knife being stuck in no but in all seriousness

914
1:48:50 --> 1:48:57
um yeah we can we can think about that later and thank you for that steven what i want to do

915
1:48:57 --> 1:49:02
is shape it reshape the story so instead of journalists going oh i know reiner fulmwick

916
1:49:02 --> 1:49:08
is in prison and it's it's awful but i don't i don't know the details again i'm repeating myself

917
1:49:08 --> 1:49:14
but to cut away everything except the stark evidence unless unless joseph or daisy or anybody

918
1:49:14 --> 1:49:21
else says no you're exaggerating but my sense is we have them absolutely by the tail that they have

919
1:49:22 --> 1:49:28
they admitted that it was a conspiracy to get reiner and that they even said if memory serves

920
1:49:28 --> 1:49:34
they even said we'll get him on something financial is that right i think you're right

921
1:49:36 --> 1:49:44
i'd forgotten but you've reminded me now it's so outrageous cilia brilliant from you brilliant

922
1:49:45 --> 1:49:50
so this is exactly the kind of i just feel bad that i didn't see it the first time i read it but

923
1:49:50 --> 1:49:55
that's because there's so much density of fact and information in the case and that has worked

924
1:49:55 --> 1:50:05
against the media campaign because the media moves fast and is afraid of dense complicated stories

925
1:50:07 --> 1:50:13
so i do think there's something to be said for so rather than repeating something which has not

926
1:50:14 --> 1:50:18
produced anything i think it's very important to sit back and think where do we concentrate our

927
1:50:18 --> 1:50:24
efforts now so i think this is very valuable for you daisy and joseph and whoever else is on the

928
1:50:24 --> 1:50:31
call um hopefully it has to be sensationalized frankly and that is my absolutely like a gutter

929
1:50:31 --> 1:50:39
journalist who is reared sensationalism so i will do since we're going to get him sensationalize it

930
1:50:39 --> 1:50:44
and it is sensational we're going to get him i can't think of anything worse for them

931
1:50:44 --> 1:50:45
um

932
1:50:47 --> 1:50:54
my jaw dropped you know and my blood boy may i say something yeah to

933
1:50:56 --> 1:51:05
excuse me um so yeah there is this evaluation document by the human rights defenders it's

934
1:51:05 --> 1:51:12
two days old i can send it to you you're talking perhaps of the so-called this year where the system

935
1:51:12 --> 1:51:19
was advised to do whatever it takes to take rhino off any political influence

936
1:51:20 --> 1:51:26
that was just one that was do you have this this year tell me that tell me the name of the one

937
1:51:26 --> 1:51:36
that i have is called rhino fulmich summary up to february 3rd and it's 13 pages and i sent the

938
1:51:36 --> 1:51:43
salatino speed sorry cynthia salatino whose name is not on it but now i know that's who wrote it so

939
1:51:44 --> 1:51:52
i don't know which document so cynthia salatino discovered that did she but who who was actually

940
1:51:52 --> 1:51:58
saying those words let me call right now i wonder if i can talk about that when you are speaking

941
1:51:59 --> 1:52:10
of the pages i have forwarded to you that is uh that is a a outline that cynthia did and i worked

942
1:52:10 --> 1:52:18
on it uh we did that together and we published it with for for reiner um and for use for those who

943
1:52:18 --> 1:52:25
wish to report on that but busy i'm still not clear who actually uttered those words or wrote

944
1:52:25 --> 1:52:33
those words we're going to get him see the cynthia cynthia uh she did the the construct of it and then

945
1:52:33 --> 1:52:42
i i edited it so we i'm sorry i'm sorry i think steven means who said what let's get him in effect

946
1:52:42 --> 1:52:49
i'm paraphrasing i think so cynthia discovered this but who said it no no no cynthia did not

947
1:52:49 --> 1:52:57
discover that this is this is fact that is um that is known by by the dossier that christopher

948
1:52:57 --> 1:53:05
misere also defense attorney um was handed he received a dossier where where there is insider

949
1:53:05 --> 1:53:13
information and someone handed that over and it is quite quite um essential in also count of pages

950
1:53:13 --> 1:53:20
daisy i just want to know who said those words was it the dossier it is in the dossier there are

951
1:53:25 --> 1:53:32
okay who wrote the dossier that's all i want to know well i think when somebody is handing

952
1:53:33 --> 1:53:42
a dossier to a defense attorney for helping the defense they keep the information and um

953
1:53:43 --> 1:53:49
clean from names for for also protecting those who whistleblow the information

954
1:53:50 --> 1:53:58
that is my that is what i know in regards of the names okay so who knows the identity of the people

955
1:53:58 --> 1:54:07
who came up with those words uh christopher mesere might well that's who we need to contact or others

956
1:54:07 --> 1:54:15
is and as a talking of bombshell this perhaps also quite interesting that

957
1:54:16 --> 1:54:24
that the lawyers and the forensic expert being involved into defending rhino i've been treating

958
1:54:24 --> 1:54:33
it right now you know misery was attacked he was spit on and he got threats he might be killed and

959
1:54:33 --> 1:54:43
the like um the there was a guy in the in the middle of the courtroom in the middle of the

960
1:54:43 --> 1:54:53
proceedings who said i want to see rhino filmic lying dead on the bottom of this card room

961
1:54:53 --> 1:55:04
um he said and then and then during the break he approached quietly badly intimidated katya

962
1:55:04 --> 1:55:11
who is actually the main lawyer so and the court did refuse

963
1:55:13 --> 1:55:18
dealing with this situation in a way next time there will be some more protection

964
1:55:19 --> 1:55:24
but but my humble opinion this guy was paid to do what he did by the system

965
1:55:28 --> 1:55:35
um everybody i i just i just as low tech as i am i i just succeeded in dragging the document

966
1:55:35 --> 1:55:43
and dropping it into chat can everyone see your skills are getting better cilia yes they are

967
1:55:43 --> 1:55:50
yes they are a number of years number of decades so can everybody see it in the chat

968
1:55:51 --> 1:55:57
yes it's in the chat so this full complete document i'll reread it again and we'll

969
1:55:57 --> 1:56:02
brainstorm about this and we'll see if you feel as i do that the bombshells that are in this

970
1:56:02 --> 1:56:08
document right and then we'll try to figure out who said it exactly as close as we can come

971
1:56:08 --> 1:56:13
and we'll package that like media missiles

972
1:56:16 --> 1:56:24
what is what is known is that it is the dossier is the dossier information is from the national

973
1:56:24 --> 1:56:29
security so it is from from there because when they asked when when journalists asked

974
1:56:29 --> 1:56:37
the national security so is it from you so is this from your offices and they did not deny

975
1:56:37 --> 1:56:43
and then therefore christopher misery shared that he he thinks this is

976
1:56:44 --> 1:56:51
um this is very clear that it's from there um these are his thoughts from national security

977
1:56:52 --> 1:56:59
yeah in the u.s or in germany germany germany the dossier the the case happens in germany

978
1:56:59 --> 1:57:08
and the so the the court dates are in germany in göttingen and rose the roestadt cutting

979
1:57:08 --> 1:57:14
and the dossier was handed in german language to german defense attorney christopher

980
1:57:17 --> 1:57:24
daisy daisy a question has has christopher misery and or any of the other lawyers who and

981
1:57:24 --> 1:57:29
joseph i am going to publish your piece joseph has been following and has transmitted to me

982
1:57:29 --> 1:57:36
in a piece i'm about to post not too much detail but that that reiner's attorneys all of them have

983
1:57:36 --> 1:57:42
been threatened including physically have any of the lawyers therefore had to leave the case

984
1:57:45 --> 1:57:51
not all of their law of his lawyers have been threatened some of them the court observe the

985
1:57:51 --> 1:58:01
court observers some of them have been threatened and so reiner has had to wear a protective vest

986
1:58:02 --> 1:58:05
during the last few sessions now

987
1:58:08 --> 1:58:16
make of that what you will and then there's the revelation through this other attorney zemund

988
1:58:16 --> 1:58:27
about some postings on some site where there are replications or reproductions of nasty things

989
1:58:27 --> 1:58:35
happening to people who resemble reiner and some of the other court observers in the

990
1:58:36 --> 1:58:40
in the in the states they call that witness tampering and it's very serious

991
1:58:40 --> 1:58:45
serious well in germany they call it satire

992
1:58:47 --> 1:58:54
there are no repercussions for that kind of thing not so far court is not interested in it

993
1:58:55 --> 1:59:00
amazing you can interfere with them witnesses in german courts correct

994
1:59:02 --> 1:59:04
they can threaten them physically correct

995
1:59:04 --> 1:59:09
so are you saying that in germany you can threaten people who are about to give evidence to german

996
1:59:09 --> 1:59:16
courts i'm not saying that no because there's a there is one witness who felt threatened who

997
1:59:16 --> 1:59:24
wanted to go before the court i don't know what happened to that witness but the the attorney

998
1:59:24 --> 1:59:30
was not there and he was not there and he was not there and he was not there and he was not there

999
1:59:30 --> 1:59:38
that witness but the the attorneys themselves some of them have felt threatened including

1000
1:59:38 --> 1:59:45
mizare and including katja who is the lead attorney well that's outrageous but one witness

1001
1:59:45 --> 1:59:54
too many as well and so zemund who i guess has not been threatened has been reporting on this

1002
1:59:54 --> 2:00:01
and he's been quite straightforward about it so one witness was not didn't want to give evidence

1003
2:00:01 --> 2:00:07
after being threatened is that correct i don't know what no he said he felt threatened she

1004
2:00:08 --> 2:00:13
she felt threatened steven's a totally different issue to being no but i thought i thought uh

1005
2:00:13 --> 2:00:19
jesupers said that um that witness didn't judge him so didn't want to give evidence after that

1006
2:00:19 --> 2:00:25
is that right i don't know whether that that witness wanted to give evidence after that or

1007
2:00:25 --> 2:00:31
not i don't have the answer to that i don't think that that witness came before the court

1008
2:00:32 --> 2:00:39
because of the intimidation yes well it's the same thing then so we at least suspect that the german

1009
2:00:39 --> 2:00:46
courts have not protected a witness is that correct that's what zemun's conclusion is and he said it

1010
2:00:46 --> 2:00:56
quite clearly in court well outside of court so zemun is a key figure now he's really stepped up

1011
2:00:56 --> 2:01:04
and he's become just a powerhouse yeah he's brilliant he was very much in the background

1012
2:01:05 --> 2:01:09
now he's stepping forward every time he comes out of the courthouse he gets an ovation from everybody

1013
2:01:10 --> 2:01:18
who's an observer he's a rock star now he's really amazing joseph do you think or joseph

1014
2:01:18 --> 2:01:25
and or daisy do you think that we could produce for the media uh the language the details of the

1015
2:01:25 --> 2:01:35
threats that have been received by some of writers not me not me okay no i'm not close enough to it

1016
2:01:35 --> 2:01:40
i don't go to the courthouse i don't talk to people there i don't talk to the witnesses i

1017
2:01:40 --> 2:01:46
don't talk to the attorneys i watch a video summary that is very well produced by claudia

1018
2:01:48 --> 2:01:56
yeah she does one wonderful interviews but they're 15 minutes long and they

1019
2:01:56 --> 2:02:00
pack a lot of information in but there's a lot of detail also missing there

1020
2:02:01 --> 2:02:07
so we know that some of Reiner's attorneys have been threatened including Christophe Mesere and

1021
2:02:07 --> 2:02:14
Katja Wurmer have been threatened including physically can we produce the the the proof of

1022
2:02:14 --> 2:02:20
that the stuff the language of that could they hand that over to a some journalist or to me and

1023
2:02:20 --> 2:02:26
i'll spread it to journalists i'm just wondering if anyone thinks that could come out well i would

1024
2:02:26 --> 2:02:32
if anyone thinks that could come out well i would refer if they are not i guess so if they

1025
2:02:32 --> 2:02:41
are not afraid to harm Reiner yes it helps to let these things out in the open a lot so what

1026
2:02:41 --> 2:02:50
did you say daisy as long sorry yes i think yes masha you think yes we can get that to come out

1027
2:02:50 --> 2:03:00
in detail yeah okay would you be willing to try to get that yes okay thank you you have to publish

1028
2:03:00 --> 2:03:07
this this extraordinary information so a witness is lost we think at least there's a suspicion of

1029
2:03:07 --> 2:03:13
that we don't know whether the witness was lost or not and we know that two attorneys have been

1030
2:03:13 --> 2:03:19
threatened but we also know that somebody's written or said we're going to get him and then

1031
2:03:19 --> 2:03:27
they end up torturing him i i could read one telegram message addressed to the to the forensic

1032
2:03:27 --> 2:03:38
expert um they were loyal to to to Reiner and it said you and all of of your clique of your company

1033
2:03:38 --> 2:03:45
are gonna regret you will see here after it was deleted but she sent it to me before it was deleted

1034
2:03:45 --> 2:03:47
so this is something i've got

1035
2:03:49 --> 2:03:58
masha this was from whom from whom most likely i don't know to me the name means nothing

1036
2:03:58 --> 2:04:06
um silly as i said i feel like the people messing around trading and you know intimidating

1037
2:04:06 --> 2:04:15
they have been paid by the by the state 100% yeah so the name means nothing and this is now difficult

1038
2:04:15 --> 2:04:23
you know all the names mean nothing uh nowadays i just i just can send you this message i can send

1039
2:04:23 --> 2:04:29
you a screenshot of this message just to have an example which is life which is life which is written

1040
2:04:29 --> 2:04:40
this is to put you know it um it's like to feed the media it's like uh what do you call it chum

1041
2:04:40 --> 2:04:47
for sharks you know to give the media things that they can make a story out of sorry but that's the

1042
2:04:47 --> 2:04:53
name of the you know that's what you have to do yeah and it's kind of it is yeah so if all this

1043
2:04:53 --> 2:05:00
stuff has been going on cilia and nobody's been highlighting it then you know they think to

1044
2:05:00 --> 2:05:05
themselves oh we got away with that so we can carry on next week too it's not no one there's

1045
2:05:05 --> 2:05:09
there's not no one it's else so there's lots of people publishing about it steve's not true to

1046
2:05:09 --> 2:05:15
say no one is doing it's just there's me getting out is it i think steven means

1047
2:05:15 --> 2:05:20
what i'm calling these outrageous bombshells have not been highlighted so much absolutely

1048
2:05:20 --> 2:05:26
well it has come out i've known all about it it constantly getting published so what is your

1049
2:05:26 --> 2:05:32
message then charles we just sit back and relax no no stay there stop it okay stop it problem

1050
2:05:32 --> 2:05:38
that we are sticking the bubble we are sticking the bubble we need to get outside of the bubble

1051
2:05:38 --> 2:05:44
that's it absolutely all the set with the required reason information that's right that's what we're

1052
2:05:44 --> 2:05:49
doing here we're sharing information and getting new strategies and daisy's been writing and cilia's

1053
2:05:49 --> 2:05:53
been writing and james rugowski's been publishing and we've been mentioning at every one of our

1054
2:05:53 --> 2:06:03
meetings and it's steps being taken so the next one idea from this conversation what was what was

1055
2:06:03 --> 2:06:11
the thing with the art what was one of the one of the media outlets could be the could be the

1056
2:06:11 --> 2:06:17
the issue that actually makes this story run or cilia takes a particular angle in the way that you

1057
2:06:17 --> 2:06:23
write cilia with your network could be could be could be now we've got 15 minutes and we've got to

1058
2:06:23 --> 2:06:31
go um ellen you've got your hand up well i just want to say this charles that cilia is the one

1059
2:06:31 --> 2:06:39
person tonight who's made suggestions uh that need to be considered very carefully you have to you

1060
2:06:39 --> 2:06:43
have to kind of get this there's a bucket load of suggestions in the thing that are all brilliant

1061
2:06:44 --> 2:06:48
ellen would just yes i did chat this is the right one

1062
2:06:50 --> 2:07:00
ellen i came in late but um i'm fascinated and wanted to add to uh you know still yeah farber

1063
2:07:00 --> 2:07:08
and this conversation about reiner fulmig that uh wouldn't it be you know it sounds like nato gladio

1064
2:07:08 --> 2:07:17
uh the massade intelligence agency deep state are suppressing his um you know his freedom as well as

1065
2:07:17 --> 2:07:24
his voice like they are everything that this is what i've been writing about and on sub stack and

1066
2:07:24 --> 2:07:32
so uh and we talk about it on this truth action uh there's an every tuesday night seven to nine

1067
2:07:32 --> 2:07:42
truth action uh truth action project meeting where we're trying to get the truth out about

1068
2:07:43 --> 2:07:51
covet 9 11 and um and uh the jfk assassination you know tying all these things together and

1069
2:07:51 --> 2:07:59
exposing the way the courts have been suppressing this information and um you know it's just a

1070
2:07:59 --> 2:08:08
complete global uh really kind of forthright legal you know kind of suppression of truth

1071
2:08:09 --> 2:08:15
that that uh points the finger back at them you know um basically there's so much evidence that

1072
2:08:15 --> 2:08:26
israel is had biological warfare things planted in palestine in 1948 the un had that uh you know um

1073
2:08:26 --> 2:08:33
they were you know they they've been behind as cigar barbers exposed you know the the aids and

1074
2:08:34 --> 2:08:42
you know pushing vaccines that that are basically giving the disease and um you know they got to

1075
2:08:42 --> 2:08:50
keep all this secret because it's biological warfare fort d trick uh you know created by us

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with using nazi science right so uh you know that's he's kind of a terrorist form

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there are powerful forces wanting to suppress this so clearly i want to put out an article in by

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russell blalock that i just found again it it was one of the best articles on this is an operation

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you know psychological operation and um he he published it in the national institute of health

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and uh so i'm going to put a link into that i just came across it again he has had all these

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articles exposing this and they can control our narrative with you know their algorithms going

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back to the promise software now the palantir you know they they control everything from

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yep thank you thank you alan we're we're tight for we're tight for time if you could publish

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i remember that russell blalock article that was about 2022 wasn't it 2021 22 right yeah it was

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very good get him on okay so we've got 10 minutes to go those who have got unlimited time can join

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the tom rodman group uh cilia daisy joseph and steven last 10 minutes for final comments and thoughts

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so cilia do you want any more ideas

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i think actually daisy has her hand up i think yeah yes thank you thank you i i think um that

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it is also a good idea when when i look at elon musk whatever we think about him some like him

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some don't some trust him some don't in regards that's fine but i've seen um in the uk there was

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also a man incarcerated army robinson thank you thank you joseph yes and uh elon must posted one

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post on x that he is supporting the legal fees and the attorney fees and within two men the man

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is free so i think that um when we combined let's say we find 2000 people who who just

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send elon musk a message every day once we say from seven to eight p.m. or whichever time and

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we send that and then free reinor filmic free reinor filmic he he will find attention maybe

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because i've read something on elon and rey knips wrote that and he says the administration of not

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truth perfected over decades is now colliding with the new power not political not military

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but technological elon musk is not a hero but he is someone who reads the algorithm well the first

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who understands that today truth is no longer spoken but reconstructed bite by bite and that

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is how they recovered the um the financial reports that the previous administration had

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deleted one terabyte of data and i think when we inspire elon that he is looking into

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and reconstructs how these emails and phone calls happened for amongst the people who

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who had not good ideas for reiner then i think that is where the truth is so how can we how can

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we inspire elon musk to to make a post because that opens the door i think can i follow up

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and follow up when you're done yes yes please please so we have an expert here among us paul

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hello paul not me in the back you mean me yes the expert the x expert

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you haven't spoken yet about your experience with x and your communications with people

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and getting tweets and so on you want to say something about that

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i don't want to put you on the spot well you just did but it always in a nice way joseph you're

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a good man and a friend so i happily just talked for a couple of seconds about the x account

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it's gonna be interesting

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he chuckles it's uh can you just get your pens out and write it down if you don't know it

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i'm gonna tell you it please look at this account over the next few days

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it's x.com forward slash ic ic law so it's x.com forward slash ic ic law not dot law ic ic law

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okay uh just keep your eyes on it um interesting things always going on

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so there we are paul i'll put that into the chat thank you so much um i already did for somebody

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earlier but uh no seriously there's um i think there's fantastic things happening right now

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um i think edgar seemund is brilliant i i support him totally and um i think you'll see more of that

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as well so keep your eyes peeled thank you thank you uh paul for that uh share your last thoughts

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and then we're steven for last thoughts and we're going to finish

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um

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personally i would like daisy or whoever meets reiner um to please give him my best regards my

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personal best regards i'm so sorry that what's happened to him but um i think uh you know

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it's very different i i i think i could help in the same way as i did the with julian osange but

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the problem is it would be all encompassing it took over like a nine months of my life uh that

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effort for julian osange um creating those two letters which so we could do this but i could

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teach someone else to do it and i could provide all the information that would be necessary to

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to see how it's done but what you need is doctors in many different countries across international

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borders speaking out against the psychological torture of rhino formic in germany

1130
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and the extraordinary rendition from mexico to germany via the usa

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well there's comments made that that's not true we're doing some more investigation on that

1132
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steven so there are people so it did happen some who didn't happen so that's that's worthy of

1133
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exploration as well which part the landing in usa oh okay

1134
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okay we don't know nobody on this call knows whether that's true

1135
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yeah um if anyone if anyone can give me the flight data from where the airplane started from

1136
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and um so what airport and what time roughly i can i can uh do some research on that

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where was he arrested was it frankfurt no i'm talking about in mexico if anyone

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but when he got to germany um it was in frankfurt yeah yes so it was mexico city as i remember

1139
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or city tijuana tijuana yes tijuana and it was then we went to mexico city and to frankfurt

1140
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to frankfurt yes that is but we were there but there was a stop somewhere i can't quite remember

1141
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whether it's the u.s or whether it was somewhere else um but i've got a feeling it was the u.s

1142
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well the comment is made that some people adamant that it landed in new mexico and arizona and

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whatever and others say that it's bullshit so there you are everybody so good investigation

1144
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but i think it was a schedule fight it was a scheduled fight i think yeah i have one more

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idea i've been thinking about this over the last few days and weeks i wonder if reiner could use

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whatever strength he has to somehow write a book begin to write a book whether he dictates it or

1147
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something from prison the power of that would be immense just yes that's a good idea but

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that the whole world could read i would of course be happy to help curate edit anything

1149
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i wonder and he could call it to see he could call it one day in the life of reiner fulmig

1150
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just like yeah i would not have to be continuous or consistent just

1151
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the details of what he's being put through so he is allowed to leave audio messages for

1152
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his lawyers right everybody he's allowed to dictate messages to the outside i mean he's

1153
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done that to us no oh no no he's he's speaking with his attorney he can call his defense attorney

1154
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and he has twice a week a phone call with inca for 15 minutes and once a month one hour skype

1155
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so see maybe he could write a book like solzhenitsyn's one day in the life of

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thinking one day in the life of reiner fulmig because yeah and elsa is is publishing very

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frequently about reiner james is james rugusky was on here he wants for the purpose of the recording

1158
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he wants for the purpose of the recording james wants people to sign a petition against the

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who's proposed international health regulation amendments so bring that to your attention

1160
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everybody that that's an ongoing push back required tom rodman has put the link into the

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video group thank you daisy for being here cilia i love the bombshell sensational that's exactly

1162
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that is what gets attention and it's and as i said at the start of today's meeting that the

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australian newspaper yesterday on tuesday horror doom share market stuffed tuesday night radio

1164
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saying it's been the biggest increase in the share market in australia in the last two years

1165
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biggest one day increase in two years so guess who's winning on playing the ups and downs everybody

1166
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think about that because because the traders work beautifully when the markets are moving they

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suffer when they're still so we are just being played puppets and anybody who believes

1168
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the mainstream media is other than the football results is slavishly believing them is um has to

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look at their own behavior all right everybody thank you for being here thank you steven for

1170
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organizing thank you daisy and joseph and ana will for the purposes thank you cilia please

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cilia please get in touch via email cilia hang on a second uh who's sorry who's that that was

1172
2:20:38 --> 2:20:45
masha masha masha do i have your email address is it in the chat no i'm gonna write it very fast

1173
2:20:45 --> 2:20:51
excuse me please charles when we sign off the chat disappears can you just wait one minute charles

1174
2:20:51 --> 2:21:00
let me just watch his email address yeah yep yep all right myself type that in there thanks everybody

1175
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thank you it's now eight nine eleven thirty in europe thank you daisy

1176
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and on we go everybody and keep thinking do the hardest work there is as henry ford said thinking

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is the hardest work there is that's why so few people engage in it

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it's

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i don't see your email help oh direct message

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we're gonna see yeah yeah masha did i get your email maybe

1181
2:21:30 --> 2:21:36
maybe charles steven do you have masha's email address because i can't see it um i've got it um

1182
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i can find it yes um come on masha put it in we gotta go

1183
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no

1184
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i've put it now in the public chart excuse me please here we go got it got it i got it trust dash in

1185
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humanity okay well i was naive naive back then

1186
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okay thanks everybody on we go let's fight for rhina and inca and the 10th of april 8 pm eastern

1187
2:22:12 --> 2:22:21
time new york time and daisy pep.com has got the details as has um james rogowski's writing for

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those of you who own his substeck thanks everybody bye daisy bye cilia joseph thank you bye so young

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bye daisy thank you thank you so much okay everybody keep spirits up okay bye i see

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for truth for love yay free rhino free rhino yes free rhino