So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International. In today's discussion,
this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost. Over three years ago, with the desire to pursue
truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health, Stephen has stood up against government and
power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology.
I remember, we remember at this time, Rainer Fulmick, who is undergoing a show trial in
Germany, day 29 of his trial of a corrupt German legal system and a corrupt German government.
And a petition has now started circulating. So all of you, please, if someone could put the link
to the petition into the chat, please sign that petition. And those of you watching this recording,
let's put pressure on this government's another Julian Assange example that without pressure,
Rainer will wallow in jail for a long time. His mother died last week and he was not allowed to
see his mother before she died. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group. I'm Australasia's
passion provocateur and we love passionate people in these meetings. I practiced law for 20 years
before changing career 31 years ago. And over the last 14 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to
strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an
industrial hemp company. And our guest today, Curtis Cost, has also been helping people to
reduce damage from vaccines and from bad medical advice. We comprise lots of medical, we're lots
of professionals here and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were
okay. Now, many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers. And I'm certainly amongst
those. And Curtis, I assume you're a passionate anti-vaxxer as well. If this is your first time
here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish
a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio, a TV show or sub stack, put the links into the chat
so we can follow you, promote you and find you. Most of us understand we're in the middle of World
War III and that the medical science battle is only one of 12 battle fronts of this latest World War.
I say it's no time to be tired. We're some four years into a seven year war. That's my assessment.
Some of you will say it's shorter, longer. So look after your health, be healthy and be up for the
fight. Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never settled.
And on the issue of vaccines, I refer you, if you haven't been reminded of the latest article by Dr.
Stanley Plotkin, the alleged godfather of children's vaccines, admitting that no vaccine has ever been
properly tested for safety or efficacy ever in the history of medicine. This meeting runs for
two and a half hours after which for those with the time, Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting.
Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join because you've got the time.
We'll listen to Curtis Cost, our guest presenter for as long as Curtis wishes to speak. And then
we have Q&A. Stephen Frost, by long established tradition, asks the first questions for 15 minutes.
This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. Free speech is
crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. And even this morning,
I got an email from the Babylon Bee to which I'm a subscriber, unpacking the censorship that has
been exercised by Facebook against the Babylon Bee, against humour, against comedy. The censorship
is alive and well. We have to push back against it. If you're offended by anything, be offended.
We are lovingly not interested. We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say
anything that may offend another. We also reject the triggering industry. Don't you dare say
anything that may trigger someone. Indeed, in Australia just two days ago, an Asian bloke
tipped hot coffee over a nine-month-old baby. The police came out with the announcement,
we're looking for a bloke who is tan. They were scared to say we're looking for an Asian bloke.
The guy got onto a plane, left the country before the cops got onto him, before anyone could find
this bloke. This is because of why it might trigger someone that you dare call someone
who looks Asian, who's just attacked criminally a nine-month-old baby. We come with an attitude
and perspective of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you and enslaves
you. Love, on the other hand, expands you and liberates you. These twice-weekly meetings are
not just talkfests. An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from
linkages made by attendees in these meetings. For example, Jerry Waters has just thanked Stephen
Frost for introducing him to Sukhari Bhakdi. That's what happens in these meetings. One
conversation here has enormous implications, can have enormous implications.
If you have a solution or product or links or resources that will help people put the
details into the chat, the meeting is recorded, is uploaded on the Rumble channel.
Now welcome to our guest presenter Curtis Cost. We thank you so much Curtis for coming on the
third time to share your time and wisdom and insights. For the purpose of the recording,
I will go through your background. Curtis Cost holds a BA from Vassar College as well as an MBA
from Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern Uni. He's the author of the book Vaccines Are
Dangerous, a Warning to the Global Community. So please get hold of that book. I'll give you the
link to that. Curtis, if you can put that link into the chat while I'm reading this bio.
The first edition of this book was published in 1991. You were a very early intelligent
adopter. The second edition was published in 2010 and it was in 2009 that I first,
sorry 2011, that brought to my attention about the incredible dangers of children's vaccines.
For over 30 years, Curtis has been warning the public about the dangers and ineffectiveness
of vaccines. Curtis has been interviewed on national and local television and radio programs
including Tony Brown's Journal, The Gary Bird Show, The Gary Null Show and many others. He's
been interviewed by New York Times, Village Voice, Ebony Magazine, The Amsterdam News, The Final Call.
He is also a journalist for several publications and most recently he's a writer on Substack.
CurtisCost.Substack.com to which I've been a subscriber for a long time. Curtis has also
organized community forums on topics such as vaccines, AIDS, defending parental rights,
the Harlem Vaccine Forum, the COVID Vaccine on Trial, COVID Crisis, National Town Hall Forum,
among others. Curtis is also one of the producers of the film Medical Racism, The New Apartheid.
He has become very active in opposing the creation of quarantine camps in New York State.
He sees quarantine camps as a threat not only to New York but also the rest of America.
He has been active in organizing forums, rallies and other events against bad New York State bills
that impact the medical freedoms of New Yorkers and ultimately the country. His website is
vaccinesdangerous.blogspot.com. His latest interview on Children's Health Defense
will put into the chat. There's a rally coming up in Harlem on 19 September. We'll put the link
into that Children's Health Defense interview. So midday on 19 September New York.
And that's the intro. And the other thing I want to say was thank you Stephen Frost again
for creating this group and for organizing Curtis to be here. I think Shasta as well. Thank you
for your bits for helping on that. And Curtis, welcome. And I think we're going to play a movie,
but say hello first and then I can play your interview that you want to play.
Sure. I just want to thank you for having me on here and it's a real honor. And hopefully we'll
learn some new things today. Excellent. All right. So Curtis wants to play a vexed interview with
Holly. So Stephen, you only quickly want to say because this is an excellent interview. I've
watched it. It goes for 50 minutes, but it really sets the scene beautifully. So Stephen,
you want to say anything before I play the video? No, apart from saying thank you to Curtis for
coming on. Thank you, Curtis. My pleasure. Thank you. Here we go.
Just waiting for a computer to chug along.
All right, Curtis, can you see you on the screen? Say it again. What? Yeah, you can start. Feel free.
Curtis Cost, and I'm honored to be here with Polly Tomey, which was self-defense,
and Dr. Brian Hooker. And we're going to be talking today about their new film coming out,
Vax 3, which has a release date of September 18th and it's going to be aired in a hundred different
theaters across the country. And it's a dynamic film of what I know about it so far. And I just
have to do one thing before we get into the introductions and everything else and the content.
I just want to say that Dr. Hooker and Polly, you are my heroes. I mean, you've had impact on me in
ways that I know you don't even realize. But I'll say that Polly, I can't see your image. Are you on?
Yeah, I'm here. Right there. Okay, great. Well, just briefly, in Vax 2, you did something that
really profoundly impacted me. For many years, you know, I wrote a book called Vaccines are
Dangerous. It first came out in 1991. And over the years, I've met lots of parents who come up and hug
me and thank me because they read my book, or saw me on some show, and they decided not to vaccinate
their kids. And every single one has the exact same story, that their kids were perfectly fine
and they were just elated. But they also said that all the neighbors' kids who got vaccinated
had all kinds of health problems, autism, ADHD, and so forth. Well, in your film, Vax 2,
you know, the first half was focused in on the kids who were vaccinated and how horrible and
traumatic that was. But then you focused on the kids who were not vaccinated. And in all these
stories of these healthy kids who really got sick, and it really affected me because I was not doing
any type of documentary or statistical analysis. I just kept hearing these stories. And here you
were on screen revealing exactly what I had been seeing for many years, decades. And so I just want
to commend you for that. And I'm equally excited about the new film. And I'll tell you why later.
But anyway, I know most people always know who you are. But Polly, can you start off,
just give us a brief description of your background? Yeah, so I'm Polly Tommy. I have
three children. They're all vaccinated to varying degrees because I still didn't get it even when I
hurt Bill. I still went on and vaccinated the third one because who wants polio, right? So I would say
I was a strong pro-vaxxer, did as I was told, mother. So when Billy got the MMR that morning,
and subsequently had a seizure, I was in hospital. In fact, the doctors told us it wasn't a side effect
of the MMR and he'd be fine. Well, he never really woke up from that injury. And once we started
really properly looking into it, we knew we had to shout out and warn the other parents because
Billy's injury was very, very, very severe. We were told he would never live with purpose,
never speak, have problems walking. He was an extremely sick child and it nearly broke us as a
family. It was so hard to deal with that we started to speak out. So that's my main who I am is I'm
the mother of Billy, Bello and Toby. And I will say that I do have a grandson and a granddaughter
now with never had no vaccinations. I feel like a long last we've turned the corner and put it
right for the future. And there's nothing more that makes me more proud than to see these two
children growing up. And I'm the director of Children's Health Defense, CHDTV, which I'm very
proud of. We go out every morning at 10 o'clock Eastern, seven days a week. So yeah, very exciting
work working for Children's Health Defense. Fantastic. Thank you. Dr. Hooker?
Yeah, I am also the father of a vaccine injured child. My son Steve was injured by his 15 month
vaccines and I started out, you know, very, very pro vax. I don't consider myself really an
anti-vaxxer but more of an ex-vaxxer. I wished I would have been an anti-vaxxer from the very,
very beginning. And Curtis, I wish I would have had your book in 1991 when it came out because
my son was born in 1998. But I also have a PhD in biochemical engineering that I received back in
1990 from Washington State University. And, you know, when my son's injury started, then a lot of
my research that I started to devote to understanding vaccine adverse events and vaccine injury. And I
have been doing research essentially since 2001. Also investigating sort of the fraud and
malfeasance that has gone on, particularly at the Centers for Disease Control, starting out with the
role of vaccines and autism because my son Steven, like Billy, has autism, is non-verbal, he's very
profoundly affected, he's very, very medically fragile even to this day when he's 26 years old.
I started at Children's Health Defense. I actually joined the board of directors in 2018 and I
started as an employee as their chief scientific officer in 2021. I've been doing that and
absolutely loving it. So, you know, get to work with wonderful, passionate people like Polly Tommy
at CHDTV and we're just so blessed to be able to do what we do every day, Curtis.
Right.
Fantastic. And that's very gratifying when you're doing something, you know, you're helping other
people. Let's talk a little bit about the Vax 3. I'm really excited about this film for a
number of reasons. But can you show us how you guys went about collecting the information
that you did? I already know pretty much, but everybody may not be familiar. So how did you go
about putting this documentary together? Then if you can lead into that in terms of what you've
uncovered from that process, that's really the meat of this. Okay, whoever would like to start
first, feel free. Go ahead, Polly.
Well, I think it's important. So basically, during COVID, we've referred so many lies and
none of it seemed to make any sense at all to us. You know, we've been told the pandemic of the
unvaccinated, the unvaccinated filling up the hospitals. We knew that there were injuries and
we tried to warn at Children's Health Defence that these COVID shots would be dangerous. We could see
that from the start and I'll let Brian talk about that in a minute. But it seemed very obvious to
us to find out the truth, like we did on the last bus, that we needed to get a Children's Health
Defence bus and get out on the road and talk to the parents and see what they went through
during COVID. And so that's what we did. We got a bus together and we've got a very young team.
We did that on purpose so that we could educate them. And nothing, I would say, prepared us at all
for what we discovered. Brian, do you want to talk about something like you talk about that so well?
Well, before you go, can I for a second? How long were you on the road? And what parts of the country
did you travel through? Oh, yeah, I can't remember now. We were on the road for nine months, but we
weren't solidly on the road for nine months. So we'd fly in for 10 days. And because it was very
stressful on the bus team, I've kind of had been through it before, so I knew it was going to be
stressful for me. But we had very young members on there. One was actually pregnant and the bus
driver as well. And the team just needed to have that mental break from the story. So we didn't go
out for the full month. But yeah, it was nine months and we were going to go for the whole year.
But the stories were so alarming, what we were uncovering, that we decided to stop the bus,
come back, make a movie and get this out as soon as possible. Because we knew if we kept going,
we were just going to hear hundreds and hundreds more of these same stories,
and which we are still collecting still, but virtually rather than on the bus.
Was there a particular region you focused in or what did go across the country?
No, we went all around that. We went all across the country. We just missed a top half off
at the end. But yeah, we went right up to New York, right then to Florida, then right over to
California. So we sped around as quickly as we could. And it wasn't cheap. I mean, gas and all
the rest of it and that big monster machine that we were driving, it was expensive. But the people
carried us like they did last time. They paid for our gas, they bought our food, they were superb,
the people on the road. Wow, wow. Excellent. Dr. Hooker?
Yes. It was an amazing experience. And I was really glad I got to spend about five days on
the bus and in two separate trips, both in New England and then in Florida. And just listening
to these stories, it was absolutely excruciating that Polly and her crew on the bus had listened
to these stories for nine months. And we expected the COVID-19 vaccine injury stories. And I knew
that the COVID-19 vaccine was really a gene therapy. And it was something foisted on society
that nobody had ever really seen before. And all for money and profit because the technology was
on patent. And it was a blockbuster. It made over $150 billion in sales for Pfizer and Moderna.
So we expected to hear these stories. But one of the most difficult things was the hospital
protocol stories and individuals that had to be hospitalized or couldn't avoid hospitalization
during that time. And primarily, we heard in this instance from the unvaccinated and the protocols
that they faced in the name of really money and finance was that they were brought into the
hospital. Regardless of what they were brought into the hospital for, they repeatedly tested for
COVID until they tested positive for COVID. And then they were put on patented drugs like Remdesivir
which really is a repurposed drug from a failed Ebola trial. And the failed Ebola trial, it killed
half of the participants. And so this was a drug that would shut down your organs in a matter of
days. And then people were put on ventilators and they were put on ventilators, mechanical ventilation
inappropriately. They were put into ICU. And with every step, there was more reimbursement for the
hospital. And then ultimately, there were so many stories of hospital protocol deaths.
Dr. Michael B. Dixon, M.D. I've heard a lot of hospital horror stories. And I'd like to hear
what you heard because myself and others during that whole period with COVID were hearing
terrible, terrible, horrific stories of abuse in the hospitals. But I want to hear what you have
to say. So I want to start with Polly. What are some of the specific things that you were hearing
from people about the protocols being given and the targeting from what you're telling me
of the unvaccinated? Polly M. Dixon, M.D. Yeah. So it became obvious very early on because the first
question I asked them as they sit down on the bus is, did you take the COVID-19 shot? And they were
like, no, no, no. And I was thinking, this is really bizarre. And so when the vaccine injured
that did take the shot came in and they did also go to hospital because they had myocarditis or
whatever it is that was wrong with them from taking the shot, they didn't get treated the same way as
the unvaccinated. So very quickly, and even to this day, as I'm still doing these stories daily,
the first thing I say is, did you take the COVID shot? And my heart just like
goes, jumps because I know what they're going to say. No, every single time. And then once they
were found out that they had not taken the COVID shot, so classed as unvaccinated, they got this
awful level of abuse from the medical staff to a degree that is just difficult to comprehend.
They had the food taken away from them. They were starving, hungry. They were not allowed any water.
Again, I'm not a doctor, but whenever my kids or anyone are sick, the first thing I do is hydrate
them. So they were taken away. They're nothing. They were begging for little ice chips just to
give them something. But no, absolutely nothing. Their phones were taken away from them. When they
were trying to resist or trying to go home, they were given paralytic drugs, a cocktail of drugs I
can't even pronounce. But you can see them on the death medical records. You can see all of the drugs
they were given and how much they were paid for each drug that was given. And this amounts to a
lot of money, around half a million plus for each patient that died on the ventilator. Big money for
those hospitals. And the people who talk to us, they use the word murder. They would come on the
bus and say, my mom was murdered. My son was murdered. So you can see the pain in them. I mean,
Brian, you saw it as well. It's horrific. It's absolutely horrific. And that's one of the reasons
why the subtitle of the movie is Authorized to Kill. And that was one of the things that we didn't
really expect to see were these death protocols. And I can verify that standard orders for patients
if they were unvaccinated were different than standard orders for vaccinated patients. Standard
ordered for unvaccinated patients were more aggressive treatment protocols. And I believe
that in some instances, it's hard to say that these were death protocols. They were protocols
not designed to save life, but to make a lot of money for hospital administrators, to make a lot
of money for Gilead Sciences, who was the producer and the patent holder from Remdesivir for the
National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious Disease, who was collaborating with Gilead Sciences
in Moderna and got revenues directly from these death protocols. And so it's really, really
insidious. I mean, you see the backside of it where people are profiteering off of these stories of
misery and then people not able to see their loved ones die.
Oh, man. I tell you, I give presentations to a lot of different groups, including
the Hasidic community. And some of the stories they told me were horrifying, but, you know,
it's hard to know how much you should believe. I'll tell you just one real fast. There's a story
that they're told of a man who was Jewish who managed to crawl to the bathroom in the hospital
and drink water from the toilet. And that's how he had enough energy to escape from the hospital.
I mean, there's a story of a Hasidic Jewish man who was in the hospital. And he eventually died.
And they found a note on his clothes and it was written in Hebrew or whatever. I don't know,
Yiddish or something. I don't remember what language, but they finally found somebody
that could read it. And it said essentially that I did not die of natural causes. The hospital
murdered me. And from what you're telling me, that you see the same thing, can you give me
one or two specific stories that really stuck out your mind that each of you may have heard in this
process? Just one or two, because the actual stories have even greater impact. Well, the one
story, which is a COVID shot death that really affected me, was this beautiful young lady. She
was at college and her mother came on the bus to tell her story. And she showed this picture.
You could see she was this fine, beautiful, young American that had a whole life ahead of her. Now,
the reason why the story affected me is that this daughter was completely unvaccinated. Her mother
was part of our movement and she listened to children's health events and all of you. And
this girl was just so super healthy. But the girl called her mother up at college and said,
I can't cope anymore. I have to take the COVID shot because my friends don't want anything to
do with me. I can't go to any of the concerts. I'm just living this life that's awful for me.
So she took the COVID shot and then had searing pain. Her whole back was on fire. She was in so
much pain. So she went to the doctor and the doctor prescribed her fentanyl and all kinds of crazy
stuff, which subsequently she died from an overdose of the fentanyl. But the whole story was so tragic
as the mother was trying to undo the damage from the shot that the girl felt so pressurized in her
perfectly non-toxic body to take the shot because of peer pressure and eventually dies of a fentanyl
overdose or whatever that may be. But did you see how it started? It all started with the
COVID stuff. And so I have pictures on the bus and I look at her every time I go on the bus and I
just think, we're going to keep going for you. Good name with Rachel. But it really upset me.
I was just so needless. It didn't mean to be. I tell you, I've come across a lot of people
in our movement and so often it's a parent that does not want the child to vaccinate,
wants the child to eat organic. They're the ones that the kids would side with the other parent
who wants to be vaccinated or they cave into peer pressure at their college. I mean, what is
happening to cause kids to err on the wrong side? I mean, what-
It was a calculated campaign really to coerce individuals, to pressure individuals,
to shame individuals. When the president of the United States comes and says it's the pandemic
of the unvaccinated and his patients is wearing thin on the unvaccinated. And without the context
in the story after story of people that have sustained vaccine injury or had family members
sustained vaccine injury. It's nigh into criminal and now we know that the media and social media
was manipulated and the message was censored regarding vaccine injury and vaccine adverse
events. And the tremendous peer pressure, Curtis, during the pandemic, I had people come to me that
had never had a vaccine and said, oh, well, which vaccine do I get, Brian? I want to travel
internationally. Which vaccine do I get, Brian? I want to be able to see my grandson.
So it was really the amount of gas lighting, the amount of peer pressure was really, really insidious
in this particular instance. And we were made to be the bad guys, the ones that were unvaccinated
over and over and over again. And even with now the mea culpa, oh, well, it didn't really prevent
transmission. It didn't really prevent infection. It's still people who are unvaccinated are still
to this day, four years later, three years later, getting gas lit. Yeah. And then you got Mandy Cohen,
as you were saying earlier, shrieking out from the CDC, six months and up, pregnant women,
go and get your COVID shot. I mean, it's just, it's suicide to take a COVID shot with all the
information we know now. I've listened to a lot of Mandy Cohen's, she's the new director of the CDC,
Center for Disease Control. And I'm just like shocked, stunned, because the way she talks
about the COVID shots for babies, six months and older, it's like all the information we've
accumulated on the dangers of the COVID shot is like she doesn't know about it, or doesn't
know that she knows about it. It's just like no reference to anything. It's mind boggling. But
we got something for her. We're going to be having a major rally. I should have put it like that, but
good job. Could happen to a nicer person. Yeah, we have a major rally coming up September 19th
in Harlem, in front of Harlem Hospital. And we have doctors and scientists and lawyers and all
kinds of really top-notch people, several of whom are being flown in to New York. And they're going
to lay it out why these COVID vaccines are very dangerous, unnecessary. And because of their
credentials, it'll be hard to ignore what they have to say. So we're working on that. And we
just had a forum on that last night, which is going to be going out to promote the rally. So
yeah, I mean, the forces are good. They are at work. I do want to say, the situation I've seen so
many times, I'll get your thoughts on it, where people say, well, I had to take the vaccine because
of my job. And I'm like, okay, how do I get through to people? And one thing I found helped
in a lot of cases was I would say to them, look, if your job said that you had to be injected with
rat poison, would you do it? And everybody would say no. And then I would say, well, why?
And their face go blank. I'll tell you why. Because you know how dangerous rat poison is.
You don't appreciate how dangerous the COVID side is. And then a light bulb will go off in their
heads. But sometimes you've got to figure out ways to get that light bulb to go off, because they're
so brainwashed, so hypnotized. It's hard. But I tell you, there was one exception, the first
exception I've ever seen to me mentioning that rat poison scenario. It happened just like a week
ago. I was in my dentist's office. And there was this young lady there. And we started chit chatting.
And she said she was a nurse. And I asked, well, did you take the COVID shot? I wasn't sure she had.
Well, she was a nursing student. She said, well, yeah, I had to. And I'm on my fifth booster. I'm
like, oh, God. And I was trying to figure out how to get through to her. And I gave her some
references to self-defense. But she still was on that kick of the need for the boosters for school.
I said, look, I said, well, if you took, if they said you had to take rat poison to be in school,
would you do it? She actually had to pause and think about it. And I'm like, OK, maybe she didn't
understand. I said, rat poison. Would you be injected with rat poison to stay in school
or at your job? She actually said to me, well, it depends on how much they're paying me.
I'm like, I never heard a response like that. I was dumbfounded. I'm like,
well, Miss, do you understand that if you die, you won't have to worry about paying any bills? I mean,
I just never seen anybody that far gone. Bob, was it a particular story that you heard when
you were doing this that really got to you of somebody's injuries to themselves and children
or whatever? The story that got to me really was the story of, and correct me if I'm wrong,
I wasn't on the bus for this story, but it's featured in the movie. It was a woman who,
her husband was a part of the death protocols. He was unvaccinated. And he
was put on a cocktail of drugs. He may have been in four point restraints. I can't really
remember if they put him in four point restraints, but these patients, they were put on fentanyl,
propofol, morphine to make sure that they were sedated so they could not leave the hospital.
Some of them security would just, you know, again, four point restraints. And this was one
of those cases. And it turned out that he passed away. She was not present. I believe she might
have been there right when he died, but she literally, you know, basically violated protocols
so she could crawl in bed with her husband who had just passed away and just hold him until he
was no longer warm. And story after story, that was not an isolated incident. When you look at
all of these stories, all these anecdotes on the bus, that is science. I mean, you add them all up,
it is statistically significant, and that story becomes science. And that's one of the things
that I'm so grateful for the bus coming out because it does hasten our efforts. It does
help us in CHD science to be able to continue to do this work, to continue to look in,
you know, not only at vaccine injuries, but also, you know, the many, many people that
were subjected to these death protocols. Can you give us an idea, you mentioned about the
half million dollars if they died, I guess, COVID deaths. What were some of the other things they're
being paid for? I know the testing and I think the ventilators. Do you have any idea how much
each of these things were being done? Somebody who's hospitalized supposedly for COVID,
how much were they getting paid for each? I used to know some of those numbers, but...
I can't remember offhand, but we've got all the medical notes, we filmed all the people that
brought their medical notes for the bus, and we were horrified. I mean, some of the drugs
we never even heard of, and we were looking some of them up, and there's no place to be given to
someone with so-called COVID. But ventilators were huge. And then there was all kinds of other
little things like moving to another room was a charge. Just really bizarre little things.
It was just pages, pages and pages and pages and pages on these patients.
I believe ICU admission was over $200,000 reimbursement. So, and just absolutely incredible.
And then just to get a COVID diagnosis, you know, if you had a patient admitted,
then you would get a certain amount of money. You know, I think I believe it was like $1,700
for a patient admitted, but a patient admitted with COVID was over twice that amount. And so,
you know, that's why people would enter the hospital for some other reason. They would be
tested and retested using PCR tests, which we know, you know, do not detect live virus.
And they would be retested until they tested positive and boom, COVID tests, vaccinated,
unvaccinated, vaccinated, you go here, unvaccinated, you go there, death protocol.
That was the most shocking bit of everything was the targeting of the unvaccinated. I mean,
I wanted to call this movie, The Killing of the Unvaccinated, but Mary Holland wouldn't let me.
Yeah, I probably would have been inclined for the same type of title. Well, I think it's
interesting when you mentioned the palms with the PCR test. I'm sure you, I know you all know.
Kerry Mullis, Dr. Kerry Mullis, who invented PCR, he got on TV multiple times, denouncing his
invention as not being designed to determine if somebody has a viral infection. Here's the guy
who invented it and won a Nobel Prize and everything else. And it's just really interesting
that he passed away in 2019, just before this whole COVID thing, because if he was still alive,
they couldn't have done what they did because he would have been on the airwaves all the time,
talked, denouncing the PCR test, which is what was the foundation for this whole pandemic. Oh,
you tested positive and therefore that means you must have COVID. If he was alive, they wouldn't
have been able to get away with that. It's shocking. But here's a different question.
Where was all this money coming from to pay for all this? It's just like free for all money grab.
Where was all this money coming from? And who authorized all these massive sums of money to
the hospitals? If you have some idea about that. You and Polly and I paid for it out of our tax
dollars. We paid for that in reimbursement in terms of Medicaid and Medicare for these hospital
protocols. Those are tax dollars. So we basically were participants in that because they were
using these government programs, government systems, and then people who pay into, they pay
their premiums. When they are in Medicare, some people do pay premiums, the same for Medicaid.
So those dollars then were redistributed to the hospitals. And then if you got on Remdesivir,
oh my goodness, then that money directly went to the National Institutes of Allergies and Infectious
Diseases where the head was one Anthony Fauci, whose net worth went from five million prior to
the pandemic to 13 million after the pandemic. Unbelievable. I believe there was a legislation
passed called the CARES Act that also helped provide a lot of funding for what they were
doing to the hospitals. I assume it was the CARES Act. It was the CARES Act. There were so many
different legislation that on the surface looked like it was intended to protect people, but it
was turned on its head. It was turned on its head. Same with the PREP Act, which was invoked for COVID
now for everything else. Do you mind if I just go back to the PCR test for a second? Sure.
I'll tell you why I feel really passionate about this. First of all, we had PCR test
injuries that came to the bus and one that we had on Good Morning CHD as well. And they're
horrific injuries. And secondly, we had James Wigusky on talking about how dangerous, ineffective,
and dangerous these tests are and how these tests are really the crux of the whole problem.
Because once they started doing these fake tests and then that became the numbers, didn't it? Then
people were being admitted to hospital because they'd taken a COVID test and they were having
a panic attack or whatever it is and they were killed. We need to do more work on this PCR test
and we need to shout out louder about it. I'm only just uncovering myself at CHDTV the real
dangers of these tests and the fact that right now as we speak, killing cows across America
because they PCR test them and they're going for the birds and the animals and whatever it is.
But we have to stop this PCR test right now because that's what's causing all these so-called
pandemics. I completely agree. I was a part of the exposing HIV AIDS hoax back in the 90s.
And one of the things that came out through that research and our movement was the PCR test was
worthless. And exactly as you said, back then they were telling people, oh you got HIV AIDS and
people go into a panic. But what also happens when you scare a person to become like little children
and so they're readily rolling up their sleeves to take AZT, DDI, proteins, inhibitors and they
use the same and guess who's in charge of that? Anthony Fauci. And they use an exact same script,
scare the hell out of people and then they'll do whatever you say. When people are scared,
they turn to little children and don't use their rational capacities to start asking objective
questions. So yeah, that was traumatic for me back then and I started promoting this information
all the way back then. So when Anthony Fauci and this started, all of us who were in the
exposing HIV AIDS hoax movement knew what was going on. We all could see the same scam being
run again. But here's a different question real quickly is people are raised from time with
children to put doctors on high pedestals. People equate their doctors to the priest and the rabbi
and things of that nature and they equate hospitals to the churches and synagogues of that nature.
And what you uncovered in this film, I mean, shatters that. You're asking people
who have been brought up on TV, doctors are always smart, they've got the white coats and the gold
rimmed glasses, they have all the answers, they got all the fancy terms. How does a person cope with
their whole world being shattered by this reality? How would people deal with it? What would you
recommend? What are your thoughts? Well, I think it's really encouraging that
they've been placed on a pedestal and now they're being knocked off.
And less and less people are trusting the medical establishment with their health. I'd seen some
statistics metrics drop down below 50% of individuals that really put a high level of
trust in their practitioners and their medical professionals. And I think Polly and I are really
examples of what happens when you do that. I remember when my son was very, very little,
trying to impress our pediatrician by being model patients. And in hindsight, it was all backwards.
It was absolutely backwards. We were trying to please the white coats, but really they were
working for us. We were the ones with our wallets out and we were paying for these services. And so
you know, seeing that paradigm fall and seeing more and more people question, you know, the sort
of vaccination industrial complex is really, really encouraging to me. You know, if anything,
any good can come out of this, it is people being skeptical of that profession. And the doctors as
well, the doctors that have through COVID have come over to our side, so they don't trust their
own profession. So they've come out to us. I'll tell you something else that was really weird that
we discovered as well. And I just did a story on this yesterday, another one. So I kind of have this
question for Brian, if you don't mind, Curtis. Yes, go for it. But so basically, let's take yesterday's
story. So basically, this person goes into hospital, they test her and she has COVID. They then say,
right, you're unvaccinated, so you've got a choice. You can either take remdesivir or take the shot,
the COVID shot. And she took remdesivir and died. But here's the thing that I want to tell you,
Brian, is how ask you, sorry, how does that scientifically make sense that you have COVID
and you're in the middle of COVID, and they want to give you a COVID shot to stop you getting COVID?
Well, I thought natural immunity was going to be better. And so if you have COVID, then why don't
you wait out COVID with an appropriate remedy done early on, not like some type of late stage
phony baloney drug that's a poison like remdesivir. But it makes so much more sense just to wait it
out and get the natural immunity to COVID-19. So what they were doing basically saying was,
you know, here are your choices, strychnine or arsenic, you know, name your poison. And that's
not a choice. That is absolutely not a choice. And unfortunately, you know, there were not taught in
society to say no, none of the above. But they threatened them in hospital, the most awful threats.
And again, it was like this weird pattern as well that the night before they died, they would get a
phone call, the loved ones saying, Oh, just so you know, he's doing really well, you sort of come in,
we think we might have a chance. And it's just this weird pattern. And then the next day, I'm sorry,
he's doing really, really badly, you better come in, he's on his way out. And then when you look at
the medical records, you can see that they've given them drugs in the night, and then drugs all
the way up to the time of death. It's awful. And some some of these people just didn't get to say
goodbye. They died. These people died alone and in the most barbaric way that I can't believe we
humans treat each other like that. I cannot. It's shocking to me. My own sister. I tried to warn her,
as I've tried to warn lots of people. She would not listen to her older sister. I sent her articles
and videos and CSD and other things. She wouldn't watch it. And her and that part of the family
would not listen. And I really got frustrated. And I did something I don't normally do.
I get mad. I said, Look, if you take the COVID shot, you're going to die. And guess what, I was
hoping that I would shock it enough that she would just say, well, why is he saying that maybe
she should look at someone that didn't happen. The family turned against me. Will you not put it that
way? Look, if a building is on fire, I'm supposed to be nice about how I think you got to get the
hell out of the building. You know, the end result, though, about a year later, my sister died. And
she was healthy. I hadn't heard of any problems she had had. But she did die. And she first took
place this past January. First, she had a stroke. And she was okay. I see but she was in the hospital.
But here's what happened in the hospital. They gave her five brain CAT scans. Now, I know how
dangerous CAT scans I'm sure all of you know, too. I mean, the major cause of cancer, five of them
within like 24 hours. And that part of the family, I'm sorry to say this, but it's not like the
the brightest element in the family tree. And they just sat back, let her get five brain CAT scans.
Every doctor I talked to that I knew said that's insanity. And why I knew the inevitable was going
to happen. I flew down there, spend some time with her. But they won't give me any information
after the fact. They gave her another brain CAT scan and all kinds of drugs. And yet the same
scenario you just mentioned, Polly, they gave her the impression, okay, well, she's doing better.
She should be going home the next day. Then all of a sudden, she's dead. I mean, the exact same
scenario you just described. That's exactly what happened there. Question, I guess maybe either
one of them, but maybe more of a Brian Hooker question. What exactly is COVID? When they say
you have COVID, what the heck does that mean? And why do I say that? I took the time to go to the
CDC website, and I looked up the symptoms of colds, flus, pneumonia, and COVID. All the things
listed under COVID fall under usually two or more of those other categories. So I'm like, what?
It's not like your head turns purple and another limb starts to grow out of your body. It's common
symptoms for colds, flu, and pneumonia. So everybody throws around the term, oh, I got COVID.
What does that mean? How is that different with COVID? So could you maybe clarify what does it
mean to have COVID that's different from these common illnesses? Well, COVID is in a class of
viruses called coronaviruses. Coronaviruses cause colds. They cause colds. There are other viruses
that cause colds, like rhinoviruses will cause colds. There are denoviruses that cause colds.
But coronavirus is just the designation is because it's made up of what's called single
stranded RNA. And so in that particular configuration of single stranded RNA,
ribonucleic acid, then it's designated a coronavirus. Now, this undoubtedly
came from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. And so it was manipulated. And I believe that it was
manipulated to be more virulent and cause more damage. And one of the things I don't understand
is that usually a coronavirus like that, that particular virus, if it's released into society,
which either intentionally or accidentally, it's all elementary now, but when it's released into
society, usually it mutates itself out of existence very, very quickly. So there's something really
unique about this one, Curtis, because why is it withstanding four years of circulating in these
different strains, different subtypes. Now we're on KP2 and KP3, and we're just exhausting the
alphabet soup. It does not make sense that a single stranded RNA virus like that would persist
in society this long. Usually it mutates itself out of existence. So but in terms of the symptoms,
is there any real difference between colds, flus, pneumonia, and COVID? No, no, there's not. There's
not really a difference. I mean, you know, I had COVID twice. I did on the first on Omicron. I
experienced a lot of fatigue, but really, it was like having severe cold or, you know, some type
of upper respiratory infection. I guess you forget what I think her name is, Christine Macy,
are you familiar with her? No, not really. Okay. She has a degree in biology and statistics.
And yeah, okay. Yeah, you remember who she is. And she did this Freedom from Information Act
request to I think over 200 medical institutions, hospitals, universities, and things. And she
requested proof of someone who's isolated COVID virus, I mean, who has samples. And of the over
200, none of them could produce any samples of it. And they couldn't direct her either to any
institution that has samples of the COVID-19 virus. I don't understand this. That's confusing
to me. Can you maybe clarify how that's possible? Well, the virus itself was sequenced in bits and
pieces. There is, you know, if you look at, you know, the consensus sequence of, you know, Wuhan
1 of COVID. And that was in, you know, presumably the first patient, you can look that up and get
the sequence information, you know, all the alphabet that corresponds to the nucleotides,
you can get that. But I think that's really interesting. It's an interesting observation,
because I really feel like COVID was such a moving target, we'd always hear about all of these
mutations that would happen that would make it more transmissible, more virulent, more this and
that and the other. And so it belies the fact that I think that there was something more nefarious
going on than just a single leak from the Wuhan Institute of Virology. I think that there were
many different versions of COVID. And one of the reasons why you couldn't find consistent sequence
information is because that it wasn't just one virus. Yeah, and sequencing is one issue.
Some say that's COVID only exists, the core of only existing in the computer. Can they actually
extract the COVID virus from somebody's bodily fluids, and go through the process of isolating
and purifying it, and then proving that it's the cause of XYZ? Have they done that? Does anybody
have samples of that? I mean, has that been done? It's not really effectively been done. It's,
it's, you know, what you're calling, what you were you talking about in microbiology is called
Koch's postulates, where you say, you know, this agent infected this person, and it created this
amount of symptoms, we can then recover that agent from their body, and we can pass it on to another
patient and see the same symptomology. And I don't think that's really ever effectively been done for
COVID, or for any of the variants of COVID. To say, you know, again, I'm not doubting that it's a
virus. I, you know, I looking at the epidemiology, looking at the spread, I just think that there's
something more nefarious going on, Curtis. Okay, thank you. Last question that I have,
what could be done? I mean, personally, based on everything that I've heard from from you, both of
you, and what I've uncovered through, I was researching over a period of time, these are
criminals committing murder, and they're betraying the trust of their patients. And that's like among
of the worst possible crimes, people come to you for help, you're supposed to be there for help,
they charge all kinds of money, and then you're going to put them through protocols that will end
up in their deaths. I mean, personally, and many other people that I talked to who fully understands
this, I think these people should be charged with murder. I mean, the doctors, the board of directors,
I know it's a big thing leap to do, but why, why, is there any reason why they should not be charged
with murder? And put up on the witness stand, what, and what can be done? What can be done
to make sure this doesn't happen? And there's justice for all these people who lost their lives
needlessly because of some agenda to promote COVID. Well, people's stories are powerful.
And I encourage more, one of the things I appreciate about CHDTV is that they're continuing
to collect these stories, and to collect this information and people that are watching this
webcast right now, your story is powerful. And so you need to tell that story to people that will
make a difference. You need to entreat your legislatures, legislators, we've got people
running around who were pulling the strings in this pandemic, like Francis Collins, calling for
amnesty, amnesty. Because you know why he's calling for amnesty? Because he knew that he did wrong big
time. And he knows that he did evil big time. And so, I do think that we need to call for a Nuremberg
2 that, you know, the select subcommittee on the COVID response in the House of Representatives
is really too little too late. And you know, so I would say light a fire under your representatives,
take your story into them. And especially these death protocol stories, there need to be murder
charges that are filed. Excellent. Polly, you want to comment on that? Yeah, I do. So Brian's right,
telling your story, everyone has a story, by the way, whether you're vaccinated and or not
vaccinated, whether you went to hospital or you did not, all of your stories are really important.
It's like we want to hear from you all. How did you get through COVID? That part's in the film as
well. But the main thing is, yeah, contact us at Children's Health Offense, because I will do your
story on our morning show. Because on our website, we have our own Children's Health Offense VAERS.
So basically, it says Billy's number 22, MMR, injury. And so we're going to start collecting
and keep those numbers coming in of your stories and whether it's a vaccine, it could be a PCR test,
it could be anything, masks, we've had mask inhalation problems with the children,
the list goes on. But the main thing is that the dark side, as I call them, they don't want us to
speak out. They want to frighten you so much that you will not come and tell me your story or Curtis
or Brian or anybody else. And if you're in the medical professional, you need you need to speak
out. It's vitally important we hear from you as well. We heard from a lot of them on the road.
But you are in a position to really change things. Because once we all speak out, I think it's game
over. And then when we say no, we're not going to do your PCR test, no matter what cost it's going
to take. So that means don't settle. You don't need to get on that plane to go and see someone.
Because if you take the shot, you could die like Curtis says earlier. These are really serious
warnings from the people to you, the people, you need to listen to the people who have been through
it. We're not sitting here, Brian and I talking to Curtis, because it's fun. We're sitting here
because we don't want anybody ever to get hurt like our boys did. And whatever that's going to
take for you all to understand that. And I know a lot of people are living in despair because they've
broken up with their families over COVID. I mean, my mother took the AstraZeneca shot. She now has
a rare form of blood cancer and is on chemo. I mean, we can't make it up. And a lot of other
people listening will be in the same situation like Curtis with his sister. But we have to just
keep going. If people won't listen to you, move on and find someone who will. But speaking up,
speaking out and being totally unafraid is the way to win this. Fantastic. Can you tell people
where they could find out, they could watch the film on the 18th, is it on your website or something?
You can give that out. Okay. So if you go to vaxt3.org, all the information is on there,
including if you're having trouble finding a theater near you, contacting Isabella.jon
at Children'sHealthDefense.org. She will help you. And there's Good Morning CHD email on CHD.tv.
Contact us if you have a story and we will put it out on our morning show. So we're going to keep
going until everyone's had their say. And I'm grateful to Children's Health Defense for even
giving us a platform to do this because where the world is right now, the censorship is horrific.
I mean, I cannot begin to thank you enough for this because I knew it, a lot of other people,
we talk about it ourselves, we'll share some information about this. You're making this a
national issue. And I'm just like, I'm stunned. I'm in awe of you. I mean, look at me, Polly and
Brian. I'm in awe that you have the courage to put this out on a massive scale, which is so needed.
So thank you very much. I guess we're very wrap-up people. Is there any closing comments you'd like
to make? But I just want to thank you very much for being here. Any closing comments or anything
else you want to say before? Thank you so much, Curtis. It's always wonderful to see you and
it's a delight to be on your webcast. I'd see the movie. I really can't say anything
more emphatically. See the movie. If you need to be incited to action,
that is a way to do it. It is very, very powerful. The stories are very, very powerful.
It's very, very gripping and then exposes the real dark truth regarding COVID-19. So go to
vacstree.org, look up the showing that's in your area and make sure that you see that movie.
And also just to say one more thing, actually. So that's the 18th. On the 19th of September,
Children's Health events will be making an announcement about the film for everybody to
see. So chd.tv at 10 Eastern, tune in and find out what that announcement is. But we just want
to get the 18th over and then we'll make the big announcements. Fantastic. Thank you very much and
have a nice day. It's been fabulous. Thanks Curtis. Take care. Bye bye.
Well done, Curtis. Now, good job and really articulates well the journey that we've all
gone through. You know, it's good to, you know, I know that but the order in which stuff happened
was just excellent to have that reminder now, you know, four years down the track. As you know,
Stephen has the first 15 minutes before Stephen starts to give him a moment to gather his,
which other people will put their hand up in due course. Curtis, as a former lawyer and a legal
strategist, I have done many presentations on the liabilities of doctors. And it is still my
considered view that there's criminal negligence by doctors in administering these shots. My
question to you is, are you aware of legal proceedings that have been taken by patients
or families of deceased patients against the doctors that administer them? And we can add the
hospitals because you mentioned the hospitals and the fact that you're the story of your sister. So
two elements, actions against doctors for their criminal negligence. As a lawyer, I'm saying it
is criminal negligence. And secondly, the criminal negligence of the hospitals.
Yeah, well, it's not criminal negligence, Charles. It's criminal intent. No, it's criminal
negligence, Stephen. Come on, Curtis. Well, it was intentionally done. So
it's criminal intent. Sorry. It's an easy one to go for criminal negligence. No, it's not far more
difficult because like Stephen, criminal intent is far more difficult to prove than criminal
negligence. Oh, absolutely. I agree. But the point is, we know it was intent. Anyway, no, we don't.
Well, I do. I do. Sure. First question, can you see my screen? Because on my end, it looks like
half my head is caught off. You're good. Showing up. I'm good. Okay. Okay. Sure. I know of a
number of cases in which family members and others have attempted legal action. Now, I don't know
how many have been successful. I'm just not aware. I do know that it's a real uphill battle. Even when
family members want to get a relative out of the hospital, they don't like what's going on. They
don't want the family member to receive dangerous drugs or the hospital refusing to give things like
ivermectin and things which are safer. So there have been attempts to remove the parents from the
hospital, but I mean family from the hospital. But the hospital can be very, very aggressive and they
got big law firms representing them. It's a battle. As I indicated in the film, there are cases of
people literally escaping the hospital to live. That's a person who crawled to the toilet to get
some water and then had enough strength to leave. I know of other cases where it was sent a video by
Mr. Kennedy sent it to me directly. It showed a black man in hysterics. He was unaware he was
in a hotel or family members, but he still had hospital guard on. He was saying the hospital was
trying to kill him. He said he overheard the nurse saying to a doctor, well, I hit him three times
and he's still alive. The guy was in hysterics because he wasn't unconscious. He said he somehow
managed to escape from the hospital. Another case of a man literally running down the streets from
the hospital and his hospital guard yelling at the hospitals murdering people. So there are a lot of
people who have these situations who may not have good lawyers at their fingertips. I haven't
personally, I haven't followed up on this, haven't heard of anyone being really successful.
Only thing I have heard of people going in with family members and one way or another just getting
their family member out of the hospital without all the protocols. I know of one case in which
they did something with the paperwork. Somebody advised them at the hospital and they were able
to get their family members out. But it's a treacherous thing to try to have to do because
hospitals act like, no, your body belongs to us. You're no longer free will and we're not going to
release you until you're dead and we get our check. Yeah, very good. Yes, it's good to understand
that and I think this is a clarion call to all of us to encourage people to take those actions. We
have to take those actions even though they are difficult. Otherwise they get away scot-free. So
Steve, in the next 15 minutes are yours. So Curtis, thank you so much for coming on. I do think that
your greatest strength, Curtis, and you may not realize it. Can I see your face, Stephen?
Well, maybe I chose that, but anyway, I'll switch it on. No big deal. It is a big deal. People want
to see you. Charles, are you trying to distract me? So I was trying to remember what I wanted to say
to Curtis. You're doing a good job at distracting me. Anyway, so Curtis, I just want to say that
you may not be aware of this, but I think your greatest strength is your ability to seek out
these stories and store them. You understand the importance of stories. So even though
anecdotes don't stand up in court allegedly, a mass of anecdotes saying roughly the same thing
do as I understand it or can do if the lawyers are good enough. So I think it's very important
that we collect these stories and store them safely, archive them, whatever. We need librarians,
and I hope that you have understood that, or it may be just coincidence. You may be just a fan of
the Greek myths, but anyway, you said for example, so one of the things you just said, you're also
good at quotes. Your body belongs to us, the hospitals. That quote is brilliant because it
actually sums up what the hospitals think probably. I don't know what they think. They're
psychopaths clearly. They seem to think that they can act with no morals, get a load of money,
and impress everybody with their money despite the fact that they've got no morals. Well, sorry,
that doesn't work out in the long run, especially if you have to answer to God.
I'm struggling to kind of see God at the moment, but I do know one thing that I like people
who answer to God generally because at least hopefully in my mind, maybe I'm too idealistic,
but they at least seem to be attempting to tell the truth. They understand the importance of
the truth. Well, maybe it's just about not offending God, but I think that the truth is
actually our best defense against death, survival. It's the best thing to survive. You need to know
the truth in order to solve things which are dangerous. So one of the things, it's really
hard to do this, but one of the problems I've had, Curtis, is that I said, it seems like three years
ago now, I said there's no symptom, which is pathognomonic for COVID-19, and I was hit by a
barrage of people within this group saying, oh, I've had COVID. No, that's not right, Stephen.
So, but the point is that, you know, I have got a medical degree. The medical doctors did wrong in,
last I knew they were doing wrong in 2020, early in 2020. And so because I'm a doctor, doesn't mean
to say that I'm not right about this because I had a little training, shall we say, for 2020,
a five and a half year legal case against the British MOD who behaved outrageously,
and I won't go into that. But anyway, I had a training, so I knew straight away that this was
wrong. Everything was wrong. It was all a fraud. And we, so what I'm trying, I'm saying this, Curtis,
because we, you and I, and Dr. Hooker, if he's happy, because I like Dr. Hooker a lot, he's,
he's got a great mind, but even he, I get depressed. He says, so Dr. Hooker said he had COVID early on.
It was like a severe cold. I think I heard that correctly. I've written it down here. It was like
a severe, well, no, there was no COVID-19. COVID-19 was improperly diagnosed. That's the whole point.
He also said that there was something different about COVID. It came out of the Wuhan lab. It was,
so he was trying, he was playing into the narrative of it being more dangerous, more virulent.
But the problem with that is that we were taught at medical school that a dead virus kills its host.
And I remember asking straight away when the immunology professor said that, I said,
does that mean the pandemics are not possible? And I didn't know what I was taught. I mean, I was just
barely out of my teens. So, and he said, very good, Stephen. But I didn't realize why he said very
good at the time, but I remembered what he said. And so the point is a deadly virus kills its host.
Yeah. But a dangerous virus makes danger for its host. So it makes pandemics, allegedly,
which are dangerous to human beings. But the problem is you've got an interplay between
transmissibility and virulence. So if you've got something that is transmissible enough to spread
around the world and create a pandemic, then it's of no concern because it can't be, because it's
not sufficiently transmissible, sorry, virulent to cause any problems. So if you've got a bit,
on the other hand, if we believe in viruses, after all this, because I'm not sure I do,
but that's another argument to be had another day, in my opinion, then if you've got a virulent
virus, it's not going to spread, whether it's from a lamb or naturally occurring. And I don't know
how many million times I've got to say this to get a few allies, but we need to understand this.
There was no pandemic. There was no COVID-19. The whole thing was a fraud. And if it takes,
so Curtis, I would like to get on the call with you and Dr. Hooker. You know, it could be anybody,
but I think you and Dr. Hooker would be great. We can discuss this and we need to analyze
everything that Dr. Hooker said on that video. He's very good, but unfortunately, he plays into
the narrative. Doesn't do it intentionally, I'm sure, but he plays into the narrative,
which they're putting about that the virus was dangerous when in fact, it was the lockdowns
and all the other stuff that was going on in the chaos that was dangerous and the BBC propaganda,
which was terrorizing people in my country and all around the world with BBC World. So I wonder
whether you'd be interested in that? Sure, not a problem. Could you organize that then, you, me,
and Dr. Hooker? Well, I can't guarantee their schedule or anything, but I can reach out to them
and see, you know, what works with your schedules and everything else. Maybe Mary Holland,
because she's a key player in this and I don't know, it's up to you. Well, I'm in contact with
with them and they normally can be very receptive. Can't guarantee anything, but I am in contact with
all of them and they normally try to be as receptive as they can. So I will try. So do you
understand why I'm asking you this? Because the point is, if we don't know what's happened
and we continue to talk their narrative, we can't hold them to account. We're always off the truth
in their eyes and they're laughing at us, in my opinion. So they're now talking about monkeypox.
I look, I don't think there was a pandemic, but more importantly, there is no possibility
of pandemic. As I pointed out, as I asked the immunology professor when I was at medical school,
do you see? Yeah. So the thing that they want to use as the best Trojan horse, in their opinion,
for totalitarianism is endless pandemics in the future. And I'm saying they are not possible
because anything of concern as a pandemic can't spread sufficiently well because a deadly virus
kills its host. A dangerous virus almost kills its host, but takes him out of action.
He's not seeing many people. He's in bed at home because he's really ill or in the hospital.
So anyway, I won't labor that point, but I just feel a bit frustrated. I'm on your side, Curtis.
I sense your anger about this and your determination. I think you're going to fight
these people till the day you die, and I'm the same. So I think it's important we get together.
But anyway, what was that? What else do I want to say? Oh, yes. So it seems to me that the
healthcare system in the United States is money driven, highly dangerous. And in the United Kingdom,
it's not money driven. Well, not most of it anyway, but it's cult driven and it's just as dangerous.
So are we fatally flawed as human beings?
Is that a question? Like a really philosophical question I think a long time to really address.
But what I will say is that the allopathic medical system that we have
focuses on a few key things. I mean, surgery, drugs, and radiation. Prior to the rise of the
allopathic system and prior to the influence of the Rockefellers and others, people were more into
homeopathy and natural approaches. I mean, using herbs and things of that nature, reflexology,
acupuncture, all natural safe approaches that have been around for thousands of years going
all the way back to the time of the pyramids. So I'm not convinced that this is the state of the
human race, but we're in a time period where people with bad morals, putting it lightly,
have a great deal of wealth and a great deal of power. And they extended their power by seizing
control of the media, especially the news media. And every time you turn on the TV or radio,
whatever, there's some commercial for some allopathic drug. And then it's amazing how they're
able to give long lists of side effects to the drug. And I can't help but thinking each time I
hear those long detailed lists of how it can cause heart attack, kidney failure, why on earth would
anybody take those drugs? We're so brainwashed and controlled that a number of people do fall
victim to that. And so I think you've got very powerful people who have too much power, too much
wealth manipulating society in really terrible ways. On the positive side though, the
claim that there's a virus and this whole COVID thing pandemic, it's backfired on them because
many, many people have woken up to the dangers of the vaccines and the face masks and come to
the realization that the people they're supposed to trust have been lying to them. I've been active
in this over 30 years. And I can say that over the past four years, we've required more people
who are followers and are awake and are active. Our organization, Children's Health Defense,
has expanded much further than over the past 30 years. We have millions of people through various
organizations that all relate to CHD directly who've grown and they've found their own lawsuits.
They're putting out their own newsletters and things. So it's hopeful that the forces of good
are having an impact. And I think it's going to be far more difficult for them to get away with
imposing these fake pandemics on the society. In fact, I think the first time I was on the show,
I shared a lecture I gave to the Western A. Price Foundation, which I show these cycles of fear
and poisoning people with vaccines going back to the early 1900s to the Spanish flu. I mean,
I showed each one that I covered. I could have covered a lot more, but I was limited in time.
They were all hoaxes. A lot of times, the sicknesses were due to the vaccines themselves.
And they've read the same script on society again and again. And I think this continues because
you have too few people with too much power, too much money, and too much influence over people
through the news media and through the movies and things of that nature. So we need to combat that.
And a complete lack of morals, it seems. And that it doesn't matter that there are no morals.
That is the thing as far as I can see. So it seems to me to be the case that the people with money,
a lot of money, the amount of money they have is in both proportion to the morals that they have.
So a lack of morals on the side of the people with money. So why do people actually aspire
to having a lot of money if we know that they tend not to have any morals?
Well, I'm not sure if I agree 100% with that equation. I know a lot of-
I'm not talking about a million or two here or there. I'm talking about
like 150 million or a billion, you know? So why do people think money is so important
and lack of morals don't matter? This is pretty disturbing.
I will tell you this. Since being involved in this over the past several years,
I've been fortunate to meet lots of people in what I do. And I can tell you there are billionaires
that support us. And it's really shocking because when I go to their mansions, it's just like,
my God, why do they even do this? Why do they work with us? Why do they fund us?
Because you can have a billion dollars or whatever and still have morals.
But unfortunately, you've got those who are very wealthy or powerful who don't.
And you might- it's more complicated than that. There are all kinds of secret societies.
And a lot of these very, very super wealthy are part of one secret society or another,
not all of them. And they groom their children from a very young age to destroy their values
and make them a part of their way of thinking and their occult. I'll give you one quick story.
There's this woman who was a part- her family is very wealthy and a part of the Luminati.
And at one point when she was a little girl, she was taking some place and placing a room
and just left there for many hours or longer. And then the mother came into the room with a glass
and a pitcher of water and put it on the table. And the little girl was very thirsty, so she went to
get a drink. And her mother slapped her so hard that she fell to the floor.
And then the mother left the room with the glass and the pitcher. And later after a lot more time
went by, mother returned to the room and again put a glass and a pitcher on the table. And the
little girl, a lot more thirsty now, went to the table to try to get some water. And mother slapped
her so hard that she again fell to the floor. More time goes by and when the door opens,
it's not the mother but a man. And he has a glass and a pitcher of water and he puts it on the table.
This time the girl is too afraid to try to get some water. So the guy then took the pitcher,
pours some water, glass, said, here have this. And she did drink the water and he said, you did
very good. Now what was it all about? It was breaking the bonds between the daughter and the
mother and reestablishing the bonds to this person who's a part of their secret society.
So they do all types of rituals like that to break the moral bonds. I can tell you some other stories
that are really terrifying, but I'll tell you one, not too terrifying. But I've delved into this
because I feel like I have to know what we're going up against. And there's a lot of really bad,
horrible stories. But I'll tell you one, not too horrible, but morally can be a problem,
in which one of their rituals, they take somebody initiated and put them in Rome with a statue of
Jesus and they tell him to spin on the statue. And if the person refuses, they say, very good,
good to know that you were not stooped to that level, but that person would never move up the
ranks. It's the one who does spin on the statue of Jesus, that's the one they move up the ranks.
So a lot of people in power have gone through these type of rituals meant to break them down
from their moral values and have the allegiance to do whatever the occult leaders tell them to do.
So that is a part of it. You got a lot of billionaires out there and others who have their
morals intact and try to do the right thing behind the scenes, quietly. Most of you have
no idea of their names or anything. And that's the way it should be. That's why I've often said that
there are forces of good out there because they are. And so we do the best we can with the
situation, but there are good people out there in a lot of positions. Yes, but it is the case,
as you know, Curtis, that all over the world, people have wanted to bring court cases,
legally challenged things. And there's been no the people with money. I know lots of them with
a lot of money. They kept their money to themselves. They haven't offered any support
to these legal cases. I'm not saying legal cases the answer to everything, but it's part of it's
part of fighting back. And so I know that Charles feels strongly about this, the impotence of
the people who want to bring suits and they can't afford to bring them. And guess what? Oh, we know
very many wealthy people, but do they want to part with their money? No, not at all.
Well, think about it. Bobby Kennedy is pretty well off being a Kennedy.
Oh, sure. Bobby Kennedy is an exception. Yes.
Yeah, he's out there. I mean, we've, through Children's Health Defense,
filed over 50 lawsuits. And I remember the first time.
No, no, no, I wasn't criticizing him. I mean, I know, I know. I'm saying in general,
but quick story. The first time I had dinner with him, one of the questions I asked him was,
why do you do this? You're already proven you're smart. You already required wealth. I mean,
you could just be traveling around the world with your family, having fun. I'll never forget
what he said to me. He said, Curtis, I do it for the same reason that you do. Once you know the
science, you have no choice. And he was absolutely right. Once I did the research on the vaccines,
I had to do what I can to warn people. So even a man who could just sit back and enjoy life,
he's put himself on the firing line because of his values. There are lots of people
worth hundreds of millions and things like that who do have moral values and do try to do things
behind the scenes. And so not all of them, maybe not even the majority of them,
but they are out there. So I think that Bobby Kennedy, he made a brilliant speech
and very, very well thought out speech. And I thought it was just wonderful. It must have
taken him ages to write that speech. It had so much in it. But also the way he delivers,
he looks, I'm not criticizing, but he looks as though he's gone through the suffering
necessary to wake human beings up, if you understand what I mean. So he looks a little
bit tortured and very intense. And he obviously, he must have suffered from the fact that his
uncle and his father were assassinated in such public circumstances. But I don't think it's just
that. I feel that people doubt John F. Kennedy. I think the opposite. I think there's no doubting
that John F. Kennedy, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is authentic. He may make mistakes,
you know, which some of our group are ready to point out. But everyone makes mistakes.
But what I pick up on is the authenticity, the brilliance. He's a brilliant guy. He's been kept
on the sidelines for whatever reason, or he hasn't chosen to be in the limelight. And now
he makes his move. And I think it's brilliant what he's done.
I've finished, I've finished, John.
Beautiful, beautiful timing. I think it's salutary to think, contemplate that question,
why he's put on the sidelines. Many of us have had a view. Thank you.
Too dangerous. He had an interest in getting to the truth.
Truth is dangerous, correct.
And they knew that.
All right, we've got four hands up. Away we go. Curtis, you ready for more questions? I know
you love questions. You normally ask the questions, and then we're going to grill you.
No problem.
Glenn.
Hi, Curtis. Hi. You certainly have a very excellent depth of both what's going on now and
a range of the reoccurring parts of it. So not only now, but HIV period and back, as you identified
all the way to the Spanish flu and even before that.
Now, a lot of your focus because of your history is around the medical and the science part of it.
But I assume you are aware that there are many other kinds of weapons that have been used by
this same set of evil leaders and Illuminati connections, correct?
Yes, yes.
Okay. So I'm a retired software engineer, but now I'm a full-time journalist and have been
as part of a connection to some individuals in the highest Intel levels of the
Department of Justice. Department of Defense, I'm sorry.
And I'm working with them around getting out the truth and our rumble channel of L4ATV1
at the beginning of you can see it in the label for the Gmail is where we broadcast and we have
over 60 shows that are multi-hour shows of bringing that truth and with it the evidence.
And our concern is that they're about to shift, that those in power and have been in power,
the specific family set have been in power for 160 years. They're at risk of losing that power
and they will do everything to maintain that power. And as such, they can easily see now that
momentum has shifted and the flow towards President Trump as a righteous leader is well underway
and they can't survive another four years of his presidency. So they will do anything to prevent
him from coming to power. And that's between now and January 20th. And as part of our team
in the investigation we've done and the analysis of them, we are confident that they are going to
go into a terror process, a physical terror process with over 100,000 terror cells distributed across
the United States. And they will do that as part of incurring a massive amount of chaos.
And with that, to try to allow the current administration or the replacement with Harris
as a coming up if Joe suddenly resigns and that they will attempt to instill that chaos and with
it impose martial law and prevent any election results from taking effect. So as part of that,
our warning to people is the first thing you have to do is you have to survive through this election
and to that hopefully transfer of peaceful power. And if you don't concentrate on doing that,
you can't possibly do that with our Congress because the Senate is completely biased and will
not take action against any of the treason. So the only way you can do that is to work with your
local police department, your local fire departments, your local schools and engage them
in the dialogue, engage them in being honest to the Constitution and the rule of law and to block
at every chance this kind of chaos. But to do that, we in the awake side and the
pro-humanity side, we need to join together. And the Marxist intent is always divide and conquer.
So my specific question to you is because of the kind of trust you've built and kind of connections
you have and the fact that R.F.K. Jr. has basically come forward and said that he believes all of his
followers should follow with President Trump, will that extension of trust actually work?
Because inside the vaccine injured world, there are so many people that have been never Trumpers
up till now. Do you think they will in fact listen to R.F.K. Jr. and say, okay, even though I may have
my reservations around President Trump, I trust R.F.K. Jr. and I will follow in his directives and
the trust level that he's built? Well, it's not going to be 100%, but I think people respect
Mr. Kennedy and what he's all about and a percentage will follow his lead in supporting Trump.
The others, well, they have to find their own path. There's also a large
percentage of people who are independents and Mr. R.F.K. Jr. has often said that he's very
popular among independents, so that might weigh in as well. So what we can do is keep our fingers
crossed and Trump has stated more than once that he feels that they're going to unleash
terrorist attacks in this country and I think that's a very real possibility.
All we can do is weather the storm in the best way we can. Trump expects it, others expect it,
I think is real possible. Hopefully it won't. Maybe the fact that he's publicized it, they may
have second thoughts because people then start looking at the current administration as being
behind this because they're the ones, Harris and Biden, who opened up the floodgates and let these
millions and millions of unvetted people come in and I was doing that because I was a Republican
and I was doing subset reports on that and one thing I noticed was that these guys coming over,
they were young, healthy men of military age. I also noticed that look at their clothes and the
others, you didn't see a spot of dirt, not a smudge on their clothes. They were all wearing new clothes.
So they gave us the impression back then that these were like poor peasant farmers,
which wasn't the case. They all got these cell phones and of course any commissars dictate
that nobody's walking hundreds of miles or thousands of miles in flip-flops. That's what
they were showing is flip-flops or carrying babies. Every time we saw the gathering of people,
those were photo ops. They were being brought up by buses, paid for by the Biden administration.
The Biden administration also were flying people into this country, illegal,
unvetted migrants. He was flying them into O'Hara airport and other places and in my subset,
I covered some of that in the video footage. So they've done everything to put America at risk
and I'm also very concerned about the level of the Chinese who were coming in this way because
the Chinese, they clearly did not walk from China to America. They clearly didn't escape the grip
of the government there. They're here because the government wants them to be here and these,
unlike some of the others, are very, very smart people. These are the people capable of taking
down our systems through hacking and a lot of territory has been purchased by the Chinese
near military bases. But why is that? So you got, last time I counted, or heard was like one third
of the migrants are Chinese. You don't hear much about them. You only hear about the ones coming
from Mexico, Guatemala, El Salvador, things like that. They are very, very smart. They got really
technical skills and they represent a threat. Trump also mentioned the Chinese. Are they trying
to build an army inside our country? Well, we can thank Harris and Biden for dropping down our
defenses and allowing all these people in and Trump is right. You have people from mental
institutions, prisons, and the ones who were trained, who were potentially terrorists,
high-tech terrorists. Those are very, very frightening people. There's so much they can
do to break down our systems. So all we could do is bunker down and weather the storm because I
think Trump and Bobby are going to win the day. I think there's so much popularity that it's going
to be hard for them to completely steal this election. And Trump has already said he's not
going to let them steal it. I know he got lots of people all across the country working on this to
stop the stealing of this election because what they're doing is they're making it possible for
these unvetted illegal migrants to be able to vote. They give them drivers licenses and all kinds
of things. And this, the Democrats doing this, I mean, what can be more anti-American than allowing
foreigners who are potentially a threat to this country, into this country and trying to let them
vote illegally for our presidential elections and local elections. So there's big hurdles ahead,
but there's no way around it. We have to go through this election and do what's necessary
to follow up and get the right person in office.
All right. Excellent insight. Let me just add one flavor to what you described. So you described
a large number of Chinese military age here. One of the other things a lot of people don't
understand is the Chinese have been making giant inroads to virtually every country in Latin America
and South America. And so they have enormous influence over those gangs that have been sent
here through those other countries. So it's not just the Chinese, but it's also everyone coming
across that border. Okay. Thank you. And they have influence in Africa, Glenn, huge influence in Africa,
China. Thank you, Glenn. All right, Jerry, we'll go to Ireland now, Curtis. We're going from the
States to Ireland. Okay. Hi, Curtis. Thanks very much. It was absolutely very, very interesting.
And particularly to hear Polly and Brian Hooker, the very, very interesting. To introduce myself,
I've been a GP, I've been a doctor for 47 years, 40 years as a GP was working away in practice in
2020, realized that there was no virus of any relevance. The pathogenicity of the COVID virus
just wasn't there. It was no worse than any other virus. Winter flu season said that, said to the
ICGP, said to the medical council, refused to give the vaccines when they were introduced and was
suspended with loss of all income, the loss of my clinic, loss of my staff in March 21. So that's
who I am. I refused to allow the swine flu vaccine into my clinic in 2009 and wrote articles about it,
it not being necessary. So whereas I wouldn't say I'm totally anti-vaccine or I wasn't anti-vaccine,
I am now. I totally agree with Charles that the vaccines are probably causing a lot more damage.
All vaccines are probably causing more damage than they solve. I'd also make the point,
Dr. Hooker stated that he got vaccine. Again, like Stephen, I'm very disappointed that he used that
term because people regularly say to me, I got the COVID. That's what Dr. Hooker said, he got COVID.
COVID is an impossibility to get in the absence of the PCR test and the PCR test is now proven to be
97% wrong. So the idea to say that you got COVID is on the basis of a PCR test is absolutely
ridiculous. And I constantly say to people, no, you didn't get COVID, you got a diagnosis of COVID,
which is a hell of a different thing. Every year for 40 years as a GP, I came across people who had
the worst flu ever. Every year coming into spring, I came across these people who said,
oh, that was the worst flu. I got the worst flu. And that year of 2020, people came in with the
worst flu, but it wasn't the worst flu. They had COVID, they had terrible COVID. And with the
psychological overlay of expecting to die, which they did, it was worse than the average
of my 40 years, my 40 winters previously. So, as I say, I'm disappointed to hear Dr. Hooker saying
that he actually got COVID. I would also say, I have a huge amount of respect for what Polly did
going around in the in the bus. That's absolutely fabulous. As for, you know,
the Kerry Mullis, talking about Kerry Mullis, there's absolutely no doubt, but that his death
was extremely suspicious. And, you know, like there's no arguing, but that had he lived,
because as a Nobel Prize winner and inventor of the PCR, it undoubtedly would have blown
the ship out of the water. And so again, the question has to be asked if,
if in effect that was an accident. RFK, I'm a little, I'm not quite a lover of RFK,
fundamentally because he seems to have bought into the climate, the anthropogenic climate change.
I've heard him speak on this. Now, maybe he's changed his tune in the last couple of months,
but anybody who buys into the hopes of anthropogenic global climate change, anybody
who with any sort of thinking or any sort of research thinks that carbon dioxide, methane,
or nitrogen makes any difference to the climate is either kind of dim with it, corrupt, or playing
a political game. You know, so I'm a bit disappointed that JFK actually still seems to buy into the
anthropogenic climate change. I've been around long enough as a scientist from the mid 70s
to know that we started off with climate cooling, and then climate, then climate warming,
global warming, and then climate change to suit the actual agenda of the earth as it went.
So what I really want to ask, sorry, I want to ask about DARPA. DARPA is what, the defense
advanced research development agency. DARPA seems to have developed both the
the COVID itself, and again, I disagree on the basis that it was, that it had gained a function
to increase its seriousness or its virulence. I'm totally convinced that there was a gain
of function, but it was to increase its transmissibility, its infectivity. It would
be not logical, it would be against all logic for the people who are doing it to introduce a virus
that truly killed people. They never wanted it to kill people. They use it as an excuse to pump the
virus or the vaccine into the people. And we see in New Zealand, 11,000 people were allowed not to
get the vaccine. So it was about the vaccine. The vaccine was the killer, not the virus,
as far as I'm concerned. And if you go into the gain of function, the gain of function,
there were 19 nucleotides introduced into the furin cleavage site of the spike protein,
which is the entry product, the entry system of the virus into the cell. And that was developed
in 2013, 2014, to allow the entry for cancer treatment. And then it was abandoned. So,
you know, this all hangs together that in effect, the murder tool was in effect. Well, initially,
the killing in the hospitals, as we've discussed, and then the vaccine. That's what it's all about.
It's about population control. So what's your comment on DARPA?
Well, I will even do detailed research on it. I know there are supposed to be very smart people.
They come up with a lot of high tech weaponry. And a lot of times they take on projects that other
similar groups don't think they can handle. So they're smart people. I haven't heard anybody
accusing DARPA specifically of creating a COVID virus. And for good reason, because
I've been dealing with this issue of viruses for many years, going back to the 90s, when I was
involved with the HIV AIDS hoax. And I was shocked to find out that no one had isolated any HIV. It
was a hoax. And it was really what we were calling AIDS, it was really a disease of drug abuse. I
mean, it was mostly homosexual men when this thing started, very promiscuous homosexual men who were
having multiple partners in a week, which caused lots of trauma to the colon area. And they started
taking a drug called poppers. And poppers, very dangerous, but it would reduce the level of trauma
to the colon area. That's why they were taking it. But if you look up the symptoms of poppers,
it was the same two diseases that defined what age was. I mean, a skin cancer called
carposalcoma and something else called pneumocystis between pneumonia. That was it. And it was caused
by the poppers. I have been looking at this whole virus issue for a long time. And I'm convinced
that viruses do not cause anything. And what they're calling viruses is nothing more than
dead cell material. Dr. Tom Cowan, Dr. Andrew Kaufman, and many others have done the same
experiments to grow the virus using the standards of the mainstream medical establishment.
Only thing is they would not use any bodily fluids of people. So they go through with the
cell culture and giving them the serum, the growth medium, poisons and starving it. And then
whatever's in there, the cast serum and anything else, they die. And the things that are left over,
that's what they're calling viruses. And we know that because when they did use blood samples and
body fluids from people, the same exact results. So there's no getting around it. I mean, where is
the virus and who's ever proved that the virus exists? And before I can be convinced that there
is a virus, we have to see which institution has the COVID virus. I mean, Christine Macy, she sent
out a Freedom of Information Act request over 200 institutions worldwide. I mean, hospitals,
universities, things of that nature. None of them had proof of the existence of a virus. They did
not have a sample of it. And none of them could refer her to an institution that did have samples
of the COVID virus. And she's expanded her research into this to other supposed viruses.
The same results. Nobody has any evidence. So I'm not convinced that a virus is involved. Also,
if you look at the structure of a virus, I mean, you have to ask some basic questions. I mean,
what about the say is all in the medical literature, nothing controversial, what about to say
what they're calling viruses do not fit the criteria of life. I mean, a virus, for example,
does not eat, it doesn't consume anything. All creatures, everything that's defined as a life
has to consume. Even trees and plants, they consume air, they consume sunlight,
nutrients from the soil. Viruses do not consume anything. Also, viruses do not produce any waste
product. All things that are considered alive based on definitions of life has to produce a
waste product. Even trees, their waste product is oxygen. And plants, same thing. Viruses do not
produce a waste product. We have a waste product. We go to the bathroom, we do a number one and
number two. Viruses don't do that. Again, this is not controversial. Anybody can go on Google
and look it up for themselves. And a virus does not move. I mean, according to the definition of
life, all living things must move. Even trees and plants move, they move very, very slowly.
So this entity that they're calling a virus, it doesn't consume anything. It doesn't go
to the bathroom, or rather, it doesn't produce any waste product. And it doesn't move.
What they're calling viruses is no more alive than my pen. And they want us to believe that if I were
to take a microscopic piece of this pen that I'm holding, and they put it in a water solution and
inject it to somebody, it could get into a person's cells and command the cells to produce baby pens,
which grow up to adult pens. I hope somebody is laughing because it's absurd, but that is
essentially what they want us to believe about viruses. So when somebody says they have COVID
or whatever, it is due to a virus. Well, my first question now is let's run that past Christine Macy
and see if she can find any evidence that some institution has succeeded in obtaining a purified
sample of a virus. So I'm not convinced about that. Regarding Mr. Kennedy, I will say that Mr.
Kennedy is brilliant. I mean, he's a multi-genius, and I'm just stunned at the breadth of his
knowledge. And I remember doing research on autism years, many years ago, and I read his
articles on it, and they blew me away. His reports, I literally spent like a month going through them
again and again, taking notes, following up on the references. And I included some of his material
in my book, my chapter on autism. He's a brilliant researcher, but it doesn't mean that he knows
everything, and it doesn't mean that he's researched everything to the same degree that he has other
topics. I'm not going to debate Mr. Kennedy, and I'm not an expert on climate change, but I am
not persuaded that climate change is the real problem we're having. I mean, the climate
always changes, all the way back to the prehistoric times, the climate back then is not the same thing
as it is right now. And the CO2 they're talking about is something like, the whole issue is that
number, something like 0.004%. So it's insignificant. And the amount of that that comes from
humans, human production of things, is a fraction of that. And the flip side of it is, we need carbon
to live. Life would cease to exist without carbon, carbon dioxide, because plants need carbon dioxide,
and they give us oxygen in return. The whole ecosystem would fall apart if carbon was removed.
No, this whole climate thing is not about the climate and the realities of it. I'm thinking
about doing a report on it, because there's so much information. It's really about what Bill Gates
outlined. When he gave that report, I think it was on Ted Talk, don't hold me to that,
and he talked about reducing the carbon emissions. And he said, well, one of the things, if we could
do a really good job with vaccines and plant power, we can reduce the world's population by
such and such figure. What? He's equating vaccines with population reduction? I don't know if people
followed that when he said that, but everybody should be up in arms at that moment. And what does
he do? I mean, he's behind pushing vaccines and things. So I don't believe in climate change,
but Mr. Kennedy could have a whole set of other material that could disavow what I think I know.
But I will just say that once we see people who are very smart, we put them on very high pedestals,
and we sometimes may have unrealistic expectations. I mean, he's a human being still,
brilliant, ultra-multi-genius, but he may not have researched everything to the degree that
he would other topics. So, in a nutshell. Yeah, well, I'll just say I'm not going to...
I'm just disappointed that the two greatest crimes against humanity have been COVID and climate
change or anthropogenic climate change. So I'm just surprised that he doesn't need to research
himself. He can quite easily, I'm sure he's got a panel of experts that he could speak to. In fact,
he could speak to me and I can disavow him of any ideas he has that carbon dioxide or methane has
any real change on climate. As for the virus, again, Charles always says this at the beginning,
that this is not the place to argue about the battle that we face is much, much bigger than
the existence or non-existence of a virus. But a good friend of mine, Dolores Cahill, Professor
Dolores Cahill, has assured me that viruses have been identified, individual viruses have been
identified, have been seen, particularly fish viruses. As far as I'm concerned, after 47 years
as a doctor, I believe in the concept of viruses. Now, they may be exosomes or they may be various
different little particles. But you talk about, you know, the proof of viruses not having a life
form. That's your definition of life. I would say that they're a transitional form between life
and non-life. So, you know, to say they don't stand up to the various different requirements for
life is blown away when I say, well, they don't have to be life, per se.
You know? What could they be? Well, I would say that what they are is an entity that has a DNA or
an RNA chromosome within them that's often, which is coiled up, they have a capsule,
they then have a capsule and they live primarily as a parasite, living off human beings. And as
Charles, as Stephen said earlier on, they die when the body dies. So they are totally parasitic,
totally dependent on the survival of their host body. You know, they fit with my idea of
infectivity. I have had many, many times I've had a patient come in, cough and spit and spurt on me
and with certain symptoms within relatively short time, you know, maybe 12 hours, 24 hours,
I get those symptoms. And don't turn around and tell me that's toxins or psychological or that,
because I've seen somewhere between up to 300,000 patients in my life. But once in a while somebody
comes in, coughs on me or, you know, you get some sort of relatively close contact, which is
the very nature of being a GP, because you're looking into ears and throats and that.
I go home, the next day I start developing similar symptoms. My wife starts developing
similar symptoms. My kids start developing similar symptoms. And the kids in classes
have got similar symptoms. So what I'm saying is there is some entity that causes infections.
I know that from, as I say, 40 years as a GP. I don't know what it is. It's maybe an exosome.
I don't know where it's produced. I don't know what produces it. But all I'm saying is, as far
as I understand, the classic story, the classic
rhetoric around viruses fits my clinical experience over 47 years.
Well, thanks very much. That's brilliant.
Very good. Very good. I just want to say something Charles, very further to what
Jerry's just said. I think it's highly likely that virology is a construct which was necessary
to create this, you know, an evidence-based medicine and other so that they could do what
they did in 2020. The problem is that I don't think that whether there are viruses or not
is going to get us very far at the moment. Can I just finish? Because the problem there
is that you've got to argue about all the other viral illnesses that people say they've had when
they were children, like 50 years ago, whatever. And then you're going to get deflected from your
mission, which is to convince people that they haven't had COVID. It's bad enough with people
saying, I've had COVID, without them saying, I've had mumps, I've had this or that viral illness,
and I definitely have it. So I don't agree with you over the viruses that you, you know, you're,
so if I were to say, oh, I definitely think there were no viruses, I think it's highly likely that
there is no such thing as a virus. I think it's a human construct which was necessary to push,
to get us afraid. The whole thing about virology was to push pandemics in the future, in my opinion,
and that's what they want. It's the best, it's the best Trojan horse for totalitarianism that human
beings have ever come up with. The climate change thing is much less good. But to answer Stephen,
as a GP, I have seen epidemics of chickenpox, measles, mumps in my community. I don't have to
depend on a paper here or somebody else's written paper. I've been there as a GP seeing, well,
hundreds of patients a week churning them through, and I've seen chickenpox break out in a local
school and, you know, then in various classes, I've seen chickenpox, mumps, measles. I've been
around long enough to actually see measles, German measles. I've seen it. And again, all I can say is,
I don't need to read anybody's paper, I don't have to read anybody's book to know that I saw
many epidemics of these things in my community. But it's not necessarily due to a virus.
Come on, come on, we're not having this debate. Curtis, what would you like to say?
Combination of circumstances in the environment or whatever, there are so many factors which could
play a role. Never. Curtis. Dr. Gary, just real quickly, if you, whichever virus you
feel confident exists, if you can find who's succeeded in isolating it, purifying it,
improving that it exists, and they have a sample of it, let me know. That's COVID, that's the COVID,
you're talking about the COVID. No, I'm talking about viruses in general. I'm talking about
all viruses have been identified. Okay, well good. If you could provide that to me.
Well, I get on to Dolores Cahill, who is actually a professor of immunology, and she has assured me
that there are viruses identified. Okay, that'll be good. So whichever one that she can, she says
there's samples of, let me know and I'll be in contact with Christine Macy and others,
and they'll do the analysis and decide that they really succeeded in creating or identifying a
virus. So that was settled then. Well, as I say, she is an academic and a professor of immunology.
I'm a GP. I can only go on my experience of seeing similar symptoms in groups.
All right, Jerry, you said that. You're a wonderful man, Jerry. Stop. And Curtis, you need to know that
Jerry's support for Albert Benavides has been crucially important for the Be as Aware work.
Oh, wow. So, well done, Jerry. You've played a big role in that. So you get a thumbs up from Albert
and from us, Jerry. So well done. Now, that reminds me, I'd love to have a three hour debate
on this topic, but in my view, with the 12 battlefronts of this World War Three,
debating the existence or not of viruses is like debating the quality of the deck chairs on the
Titanic. John, look out. Absolutely agree with him. John, by the way, before John starts,
Dagmar has put a note into the, asked me to read out in the chat, I'll paraphrase it that
essentially Dagmar, who's an attorney in Germany, involved in Ryan, Ryan and Fullmick's case,
that he's likely to be sentenced in this show trial to three years and four months.
And the rights for an appeal are very limited. And she's just sharing that with us. It is an
she's just sharing that with us. It is an outrageous, it is an outrageous show trial.
We know that's what they do and we need to make noise about it. But thank you Dagmar for sharing
it. Her voice is in trouble. That's why she can't say that. I'm saying that on her behalf. John,
look out. Charles, do we know exactly what he's charged with? What the heck has he been
If you follow it, everyone who's been following it, there's vast exploration on it. Allegedly,
the misappropriation of donated funds, Stephen, that's the that's the bullshit claim. That's all.
And he was illegally kidnapped in Mexico, the collusion of the Mexican government with the
German government. And then the bullshit that he misappropriated funds. That's what's happening.
Fair play to you, Charles, for highlighting Reiner's plight. Every meeting we have, that's great.
Thank you. Thank you. And I many times on TNT radio, I raised it and, you know, all of us have
to talk about it. And any German embassy officials that we know around the world, we should
pressure on them. John, they've got John and Diana and then back to Stephen. We're finishing in 22
minutes, Curtis. So, John. Okay. So, Curtis, I mean, I'm, geez, I don't know where to begin. I'll tell
you what I've been doing all during your presentation. I've been given, I've been putting together a list
of everything I heard you ask for. I got a whole page. I like what I want to ask you something, man,
because I just, you know, everybody's in a different place in this. And I could tell that,
you know, you're telling stories about how you, you know, the things that woke you up and the things
that surprised you and all that kind of stuff. And I got a ton of those myself. We all do. What do you
still really wish you had? Like right now? You know, if I could give you anything you want, what do
you want to stop, mess with? What do you want to go away? What? What? Just I got a billion dollars
and on a nice island with a beautiful woman. I mean, what do you want me to say?
It's in this room, right? What do you want to do? Like activists work. What do you want to
really accomplish? Well, I'm doing things on an ongoing basis. And as mentioned, I think earlier
in the video that I have an event coming up next week, November, I'm sorry, September 19th,
which we will have a major rally in Harlem for the Harlem State office building against Mandy.
I'm sorry. Mandy Cohen, the new director of the CDC and her pushing COVID shots for babies is
to go away. Do you want them to go away? Do I want them to go away? You want to go away?
Because I got this thing, man. I call this the anti-vaccinator. Okay. And I want to,
I want to give it to you. Okay. I want to give you a whole bunch of stuff, but we're going to
start with this. All right. I want you to, I want you to take a look. Was that a gun, John? Yeah.
Yeah, it is. I built it. You want one? A million one. Well, I'm not sure you get into the UK.
This right here, I'm going to explain to you what this is as briefly as possible because the guys
heard me do it a couple of times now. All right. This here is the silver bullet. All right. If you
want to take the rug out from under these guys, you have to be able to prove very quick, very fast,
and very indisputably that their vaccines are bullshit, that they don't work. They've never
worked that you can prove that they don't work. That it's easy. The evidence is already there.
Everything you need is in that document and this book. Okay. And you don't even really need the
book because the document is going to lay it out for you. I want you to just go read that and I'll
put my email address in there. Please call me. Would you do that? Because I want to give you
everything that I heard you ask for. I've got an article and a list and a book and a method,
and I've tried them all out. I mean, I've been just steamrolling over everybody. Nobody beats me.
And I want you to, I want to give me that. Can I give you that? Can I email you that?
Sure. But no guns, please. Even toy guns. We are nonviolent and we wanted to use the legal process.
Just to get a laugh. Honestly, I want to give it to you, but I don't want to throw that cell
out. It's too big. But I'm going to put my email address. You send me an email after the meeting
and then you can call me because man, I could talk to you for hours, man. I think, you know,
I could give you some credit. I want to meet some people. And John, stop there. Curtis, it would be
of great value in my view and others here that having a conversation with John Lukacs will be
of great value to you. He's speaking is very helpful, very useful, very insightful.
And he's booked on that. He's in the chat. I'll get that to you as well.
Or. Perfect. All right. So on the meeting, he feels a bit rushed as I do,
but he's very exercised about what's going on and what has gone on. And he's on the right side.
Is that right? Correct. Absolutely. He's on the right side. So John's doing great work, everybody.
So John, have a look at John's work is a resource for all of us for research. If you want to know
something, everybody on this call, get in touch with John. All right. On we move to Diana and then
Stephen. We've got 15 minutes to go. Thanks. I was just going to ask if Curtis
wanted to say anything more about the rally and demonstration that he's planning. And. Sure.
I wish you were to be there. I will. I just did an interview with CSD TV yesterday,
and I posted that interview as well as additional information on my substat,
Curtis cost that substat dot com. And that gives all the information where it is time.
How to get there transportation wise. And I have a list of the speakers,
Dave Rasnik, who's on this call. I see Dr. David Rasnik. He's going to be speaking there.
Dr. Dr. James Storpe is going to be there. Mary Holland's going to be there speaking. And we have
a great array of doctors and scientists and nobody can say we're a bunch of kooks and just
making stuff up. These are all nationally, internationally famous people in most cases
and very serious minded. So you got to add and you can do me a favor if you like what I'm doing.
When you go to my substat, consider becoming a subscriber and ideally becoming a paid
subscribers. Very inexpensive, but it helps me. It motivates me when people show that they really
appreciate what I'm doing. So, and you can also go to my website, www.vaccinesaredangerous.blogspot.com.
And you can order my book, Vaccines Are Dangerous. It's going to be going out of print very soon.
So you can get your copy and I autograph all copies ordered from my website. Don't order from
Amazon because they censored me and they just have people who have collected copies of my book,
which is selling for ridiculous prices, $100, $200. But you can get it from my website,
only $24.95. So yeah, so go to my substat and get all the information about this coming event.
I have your book. It's casual. Oh, great. Thank you. Thank you. Bless you.
Thank you. Your friend is a present, so I should get another one.
Okay. No problem there. Be happy to sign it and everything. Thank you.
All right. Now, next. Thank you, Diana. Jonathan, I will put the link to the
Rhino petition into the chat in a moment. I've got it so all of us can sign it. Stephen, over to you.
The last set of questions. Thank you. So Curtis, continuing my theme with the big things,
what I think are the big things, people don't agree, maybe. But there was no pandemic.
There was no COVID-19. But very importantly, there was no gain of function research of any
consequence in Wuhan. That was the construct in my view. And why? Oh, they wanted to terrify people,
escape from a lab. How do we stop viruses from escaping from labs in China and all around the
world? We're going to have endless pandemics. That was what they wanted people to believe.
They didn't need the COVID case. They just needed to terrorize people into getting ill,
getting ill by isolating them, by making them lose hope. I don't know whether you're aware of
the universe 25 experiment. I think the universe 25 experiment is incredibly important.
The mice, the experimenter who ran it said none of them would survive in the end.
When things got bad in this ideal society for mice, some of the male mice didn't want to have
sex with the females. In other words, they didn't want to reproduce. Apparently, that's one of the
things that goes first when people are not happy. But the females then took action, groups of females
took action against the males who didn't want sex with them and essentially bullied them, I think.
But the female, they all didn't want to live in the end. And I think that's what they were aiming
for with the COVID nightmare. Every doctor in the world, every medical doctor in the world,
should have known immediately that you do not isolate human beings because they're highly
social animals. We were taught that at medical school, at my medical school, highly social animals.
Everybody in the world, but especially doctors, should have known that. They had no clue.
They went along with it. And still in the UK, I'm talking to doctors who still don't get it.
They half get it, but they still had COVID. So I think that this was evil beyond belief.
I don't have difficulty in believing in God per se, but I realized that the universe is so
complicated, so huge, we can't even conceive of it. I mean, there are hundreds of billions of
stars in our galaxy, suns, if you like, and there are hundreds of billions of galaxies
in the universe, so we're told. I don't know, I can't check on that, but it looks like pretty
massive to me. So it does seem incredible that mere human beings who can't even get from their
own planet, probably didn't even get to the moon, we now realize. They have no hope of getting to
another planet, in my opinion, that they created all this and all the complexity of the immune
system in human beings and all other animals. There's a complete lack of humility in most human
beings and we need to be humble. But oh no, they want to be in the cult. They like to form cults,
human beings, because they don't have to have responsibility for anything then. And it's all
about, please join my cult, because my cult is right. Do you understand me? So I think it's a
complete mess, but the gain of function research, which they were pushing in the United States
Senate, I don't know which side Rand Paul was on, but I think he was on the right side, he didn't
quite understand. I think that was, so it's my medical opinion, that they weren't capable of
the gain of function research. And I have to give it to JJ Cooey. He was the one who made me think
of that first. He said, in my opinion, they are not able to do what they say they are doing.
Exactly. They didn't need to do it. They just needed to scare human beings all around the world
into compliance. And I can really agree. Fear is one of their keys for control. And in the report
that I gave in my presentation, Weston A. Price, I emphasized that every single pandemic that they
declared, of the ones I covered, they were all fake. And they all were bent on fear, because when
people are afraid, they're less rational. They resort to being more like children. And I've just
been shocked because I've been reading the numbers and looking at these things for many years,
and how gullible, let me be more blunt, how stupid millions and millions of people can be
to fall for these snake oil salesmen with their fake viruses and everything. I'm like, come on.
I can't be the only or one of the very few who see the obvious. Yeah, I agree. You can't even
talk about gain of function until you prove the virus exists. In fact, they were talking about
viruses existing before they had electron microscope to even potentially see such a virus.
So this was the boogeyman that they saw they can make money out of. And one of my big efforts
have been over the years to wake people up from living in fear, which is what they want. They
like fear. They like operating in the shadows. And so when people come along to shine light on
their nonsense and bring it down to a level that the average person can understand, they don't like
that. Because what they do is they use a lot of technical terms to confuse people, to intimidate
people who want to read something that they feel too stupid to read. What I do in my book,
Vessi's Are Dangerous, I take a lot of the technical stuff and make it very simple so the average
person can read it, understand it, and realize that they've been scammed. And I also want to touch on
something else before we do wrap up is that we got to do something about these hospitals. They're
still pushing a lot of these procedures around COVID. Hospitals are probably among the scariest
places to be. A very famous doctor said that on a radio interview I set up with her. She said the
only place scarier than being in a hospital is maybe being in a car accident. I think she's right.
And I think with Mr. Trump and Mr. Kennedy embracing the notion of making America great again
threatens all of that. And I hope that they extend it to the hospitals. I hope they cut the funding
for these murdering of American citizens in these hospitals. Nothing less than murder,
in my personal, in my speaking on behalf of anybody, but in my personal view, they're murdering
for profit and they need to be held accountable. I hope that the Trump administration starts
filing criminal charges or at least criminal investigation to all these hospitals who
participated in the mass murder of the people going there trusting them. I mean, portraying
public trust like that is one of the most devastating things I think can be done. I think
they all should be prosecuted and thrown behind bars or worse. And so hopefully the next
administration will do that. If Harris gets in, well, we're going to experience more of the same
and much worse. So I just wanted to say that before we did wrap up. Yeah, sure. So actually
Kamala is going to be on national live television in the United States tonight because the debate
is happening tonight, isn't it? Yes, nighttime for us. Yes, yes. Pity that RFK Jr. can't be there.
But anyway, so I just wondered. So very quickly now I've got Jason Kristoff. Now he says
very convincingly, I don't know whether you've seen Jason Kristoff. He's a Canadian,
well, mind control expert as far as I can understand. So he says, and he's got incredible
presentations, which may be useful to you, Curtis, when you certainly want to, you should interview
him, I should think. So I think it's true that we're seeing everything. All the human beings on
the planet are seeing everything through the lens of mind control. And until we sort out who's doing
the mind control and what it is exactly and how people are being duped and made unhappy enough to
not want to live any longer, like the mice in the universe 25 experiment, I think we're not going to
get very far. The other thing I wanted to say, what's happened in the last four and a half years
is absolutely shocking to me. And but one of the conclusions I've reached, thinking about things is
that human beings have turned out to be extremely disappointing, not as individuals. But when they
get into groups, they are very dangerous in groups. And I think this has been talked about
previously. Indeed, Mohammed Ali says that people seek safety in groups. But he saw danger in groups.
And I now realize that throughout my experiences in my life so far, I have sensed this, I didn't
trust groups, I didn't want to dance, I didn't know why I didn't want to dance, I was very resistant
to dancing. And I think I saw it for what it was. It was a cult. But I didn't get that. And we need
to understand cults. We need to understand mind control. Yeah, I think those are the main points
I'd like to say tonight. And thank you so much, Curtis, for coming on. You're just a great
person, but you're great with the stories as well. Thank you very much. Very kind. Yeah, well done.
Well said, Stephen. Great human being. Thank you so much. Thank you so much, Curtis. Everybody
subscribe to Substack. Tom Rodman has put the link into those with time. And Curtis, 19th of September,
New York, so in Harlem at midday on the 19th of September. And I think any other announcements
you want to make, Curtis, before we go? Nope, no, I think it does. Thanks very much for the
opportunity. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Curtis. Thank you, Stephen. Thanks, everybody.
Take care. Thank you. Thanks, everybody. And don't forget to get it. Oh, and the other thing,
Raznik, David Raznik, he sent me a message, a direct message, and I wanted to reply to it. But
by the time I got around to replying to him with a direct message, unfortunately, he'd left. I can
put you in contact with him. Not a problem. Yeah. So if you can remember that. And also, if you're
interested in you and Dr. The name's gone now, the one on the video, you know, if he would
if he would like to take up my offer to talk to you too, and then we can at least get try and get
common ground between the three of us, and then just try to spread the message a little bit further.
Okay, sounds good. I think we need to do we need to kind of
pay attention to our messaging and and test the messaging to the limits with people who don't
necessarily actually don't agree with us, because then we come up with the best messages. And we did
that with the David Kelly thing, the David Kelly scandal in the UK.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to dash. So thanks again, everybody. Bye bye. Bye.
Thanks, Charles. Thanks, Stephen. Thanks. Good job.