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element to this. There are certain religions that are not, you can't criticize either. You can

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criticize Christianity but you sure as hell can't criticize Islam. Correct, I'm criticized, my last

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show two shows ago criticized Islam and what we must stop is immigration of Muslims into Australia

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and look, UK is lost to Islam, it's too late for UK, that's the problem. All right, let's get this

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show on the road. I'm delighted to welcome you all to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics

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International and today's meeting with and our guest is Dr Meryl Holly. I will introduce him

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in a moment. This group was founded four years ago by Dr Stephen Frost, a British trained

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medical doctor, a seasoned whistleblower and activist who founded this group to champion

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truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. At this time we remember Ryan Oformick, German US

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lawyer who's languishing in a German prison following a corrupt show trial with a corrupt

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judge, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt government and we're talking about corrupt governments.

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The UK government is corrupt, I call it out and what the whole legal structure in UK is

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absolutely being dismantled as a legal structure that has roots going back to 1215, the first

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Magna Carta. I'm Charles Covess, I'm in Melbourne, I'm a former lawyer, I was a lawyer for 20 years

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and for 32 years I've been a professional speaker, I'm an Australasian passion provocateur,

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that's why I wear a red jacket because red is the color of passion and you come here,

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there are lots of passionate people here and greatness is only ever achieved with passion,

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so harness it in your own lives. This group is a dynamic blend of voices from all sorts of

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professions, not just doctors and we're from all around the world. Many of us once viewed

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vaccines as benign, now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers with pride and I'm one of

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them. If somebody accuses me of being an anti-vaxxer I say absolutely, that's exactly what I am.

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First timers, you're warmly embraced, introduce yourself in the chat. We're in the thick of a

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global struggle, we're clearly in World War III with medical and scientific battles among 12

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battlefronts, another that we've just mentioned is the spiritual battlefront with attacks on

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Christianity permitted but attacks on Islam or anyone else not permitted and lies that are

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approved by the government are allowed, truth that is not approved by the government is not

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allowed. This is straight out of George Orwell's 1984. Obviously George wrote the script for the

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government to follow. We're five and a half years into this fight and there's no time to say you're

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tired because we've got a big fight on our hands and our guests today. Meryl Holly has been fighting

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this fight on the whole health space since Meryl 1976 or 74 or 78, which year are you going to

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are we going to start was your start point and unmute yourself. Unmute yourself.

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You're muted Meryl, Meryl you're muted.

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Wakey wakey. Oh I started this initiative in 1972 but I started my professional career

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in 1978. Good I started my legal career in 1973 so we've been on a similar journey for a long time

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for 52 years so far. Anyway so on the medical science field Meryl has been in this fight

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professionally since 1978 and well understands the power of the existing status quo in the

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alleged health space. So the key is to stay strong, stay healthy, be up for the fight and

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what you're going to learn today from our guest speaker will help you to get healthier and stay

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healthier stay healthy. Science we know is never done it thrives on challenge and inquiry anybody

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who tells you the science is settled is bullshitting you. It's a technical Australian term. It's

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bullshit that the science is settled on anything. Some here believe in viruses others see them as

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fiction and many are still exploring. All views fuel our dialogue. This session goes for two and

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a half hours after which Tom Rodman runs an optional telegram video chat for those with the time.

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We'll hear from Dr Meryl Holly our guest for as long as Meryl wants to talk is presented to us

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before this is the second time he's presenting to us and follows by question and answer. Per tradition

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Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes. This is a free speech haven

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unlike the whole of the UK appropriately moderated to keep ideas flowing free speech is our weapon to

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safeguard human liberties and Mark you've just said if you can't speak if you can't speak freely

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your liberty is hugely hugely attacked. If something offends you own it. We lovingly sidestep the

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outrage culture and its demands to silence truth and please note nothing that anybody says

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in this call can offend you. Only you can offend yourself. If you decide to be offended you are

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doing that to yourself. Nothing that anybody here says can be offensive or can trigger you. You

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trigger you. We choose love over fear. Fear binds and sickens. Love liberates heals and inspires.

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That's why the attacks on Christianity happen because the essence of Christianity is love

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your neighbor but love expands your capabilities. Fear depresses you, shrinks you. These twice

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weekly gatherings are far from mere talk. They've birthed real world actions and alliances. A key

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tactic in our fight is exposing medical crimes on social media and we're rarely behind the three

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word mantra that was given to us by John Rappaport of medical truth now and that's what Meryl Holly

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has been on about medical truth now. This call can unite humanity in a search for accountability

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and we want to hold the bastards to account who have been imposing fraud fraudulent health

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principles on humanity. So we're thrilled to welcome Meryl if you've got any solutions products

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or resources put them in the chat so that one idea that you put in the chat could be what people

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are looking for. Meryl let me introduce you and then we'll get you underway. It's an amazing bio

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it's for those watching the recording it's in the show notes. Here's Meryl Holly not Holly.

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You might tell us she's Holly. There you are. He's the co-founder of RC Hyperbaric Wellness and I've

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mentioned to this group before I've been involved with Hyperbaric for 15 years here in Australia.

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So Meryl founded RC Hyperbaric in Ennis Texas is a doctor of functional medicine a pioneer in

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hyperbaric oxygen therapy regulation of gene expression and environmental health.

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Meryl currently serves as the senior research scientist for the TOR Institute of Anti-Aging

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Tissue and Organ Regeneration and president of the International Hyperbaric Medical Foundation

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presaging the field of epigenetics by almost three decades.

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Meryl posited Holly's first law of biology in 1976 while an undergrad at Louisiana State

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University during the course of quote during the course of the lifespan of any organism

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both the genotype and phenotype of that organism changes in response to exogenous

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environmental exposure end quote. That's the first law of biology Holly's first law of biology.

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This observation forms the foundation of environment genetics is iconoclastic applied

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biophysics model of evolution genetics and disease. The quote 10 pillars of brain

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insults end quote are extracted from that model. He's published extensively his practice environmental

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toxicology since 1978 he's traveled the world as a prolific inventor and autodidact polymath

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educator in the classics as being meal as me as opposed to merely being trained which is what you

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do to a dog or a dolphin. He's generated a lengthy intellectual property pipeline he's been 1970s

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pioneer in stem cell biology as a department of defense contractor as well in 2006 a prolific

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writer authored four internationally acclaimed peer-reviewed research papers and he's got three

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he's got five I think currently five research papers have been submitted the journal publication

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this year and currently in peer review and but perhaps his greatest strength is that in addition

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of being an independent thinker he has the uncanny ability to teach to reach across borders and

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boundaries to build international teams and coalitions of extreme talent from diverse

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backgrounds and experiences in order to solve complex and intractable problems

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devoid of bias understanding the quality of the net output of the select team is exponentially

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greater than the sum of the capabilities of each individual team member he seeks deep profound

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thought and continually pokes and prods and asks a barrage of deeply penetrate penetrating questions

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and listens to the nuance and context of the responses such is the value of collaboration.

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It reminds me of synchronicity in the famous quote of Buckminster Fuller.

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Merrill I'm sure you know of Buckminster Fuller and synchronicity is when the behaviour of the

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whole his definition the behaviour of the whole is unpredicted by the sum of the parts and one of

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the great examples that he uses for those of you who don't see synchronicity in nature if you have

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sodium put it in your mouth you die if you have chlorine put it in your mouth you die

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put the two together with sodium chloride becomes table salt essential for life so there you are

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unpredicted by the sum of the parts Stephen Frost thank you for creating this group.

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Merrill we are in your hands you can share your screen if you wish

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over to you for as long as you wish to address us and then Q&A.

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Just a moment Charles there's one open mic from Carla Dean if you could shut that off or if she's

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listening she shut it off. That's probably me okay keep going Merrill.

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I very much appreciate the opportunity to present on this forum for the second time.

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Last Sunday was quite a tough act to follow up I was absolutely transfixed since I only have a

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two minute attention span for me to be engrossed in a three hour conversation

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is absolutely remarkable as testament in and of itself I have since then been playing with his code

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and it is an invaluable tool. Just tell the audience watching the recording

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whose code you're talking about. Oh the code by Dr. Tim Kelly and which is that in inverse

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hypothesis. What is so fascinating about it is you know you could really relate it back to

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a fourth grade mathematical exercise that is you say two plus three equals five so then if you take

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five and you subtract three it has to equal two it becomes a you know in this format it's really

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correct in your math so if the fundamental statement is accurate well then the inverse

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application is going to prove it out as opposed to like in so many of the situations that that

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he ran the other day like for instance saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease

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and then of course that you know is it no no it's hyperinsulinia is the is the what was the the

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actual inverse application and they and and what was it about the world trade towers

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um the twin towers it said it's um that it is that is that the ability of those skyscrapers

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to collapse vertically within its own footprint is not known to any theoretical physics.

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Now that's a pretty interesting comment by the AI just in its rudimentary large language model

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so I have been working on developing AI tools for assisting me in my envirogenetics model of

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of disease and the diagnostics of disease which is very very different than the standard of care

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different than the standard of care of evidence-based medicine. The standard of care

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of evidence-based medicine is practiced in the United States and you know there at NHS is just an

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overly simplistic model that is predicated you know and the term eugenics came up in conversation

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on last Sunday as well and you could see all of this coming out of that eugenics model

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and you know it's pharmaceutically driven. Why is it and does it really solve the problem

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you know the if what they were telling us is true well then you wouldn't have all of these

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cases of cardiovascular disease. There is I'm just completing a paper on cardiovascular disease

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now Proxima Cause and I had a a paper published about a year ago that in an international

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cardiology journal and that was the first documented case of the reversal of malignant

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hypertension and of chronic kidney disease. Well if you go and you start examining

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a lot of indigenous cultures and this was one of the things that I was doing back in the 1970s was

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gathering this research data there are a lot of indigenous populations around the world that have

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no recorded instance of cardiovascular disease and they don't prescribe to any of the diet and

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what we were doing back then and what I was particularly focused on was the diet and

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gut microbiome. You know just now they're starting to have this real you know exposition into what a

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healthy gut biome looks like. Well we were engaged in that 50 years ago and actually to a profound

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level because we knew then that that was what the driver of disease was. You know if you have gut

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dysbiosis you're going to be sick. If you're and then comes back to what is gut dysbiosis what does

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a healthy gut microbiome actually look like and you know what we found was quite you know illuminating

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is that every one of these indigenous populations have a completely different gut microbiome

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and they were perfectly healthy. Every one of these indigenous populations, bear in mind,

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depending on where they are in the world they have different food sources

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and then that food source is not a monolithic thing. It doesn't exist all 12 months of a year.

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I mean think about if you like my ancestors from Scotland. Well you know they don't eat this

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a thousand years ago. They were not eating the same diet every month of the year. So it you know

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it expanded and so therefore the gut microbiome actually would modify with the seasons predicated

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upon the food source within that. But whenever you start looking at what the healthy gut biome

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really looks like and this is in people that had never been sick in their life. They were 70 years

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old never been sick never been to a doctor. Well you know what there was no uniformity between that.

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of speciation. But bear in mind what happens when you start looking at in 1900 in the United States

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there was the average life expectancy was about 39.5 years of age.

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In by 1950 the average life expectancy had doubled.

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Yeah and so you know in 50 years well why did that expand? Why did it double?

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And but you know the statistics never tell the whole truth. They only have the you know they're

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showing whatever the data interpretation of the statistics mean and represent.

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Well to the medical establishment they'll claim that oh well the reason that it doubled was because

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of the advent of penicillin. And it came into widespread use during World War II and then in

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1945 1946 it started being handed out across the United States like candy. So they will claim

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they the medical establishment will claim that it's due to the advent of of the antibiotics.

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incidence that was occurring that the doctors had never seen before. And what that was was

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was you know these fungal diseases and they had never seen these gut fungal issues.

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a an antifungal called nystatin was developed in order to combat these widespread gut fungal

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diseases which you know which was caused by taking penicillin. And so it was developed to be

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co-administered with penicillin. And I still to this day every time I talk to any physician

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and every time I talk to anyone who is taking an antibiotic any antibiotic I ask them said okay well

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to go along with the antibiotics that you prescribe to this patient? I asked the person what

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you know what antifungal and what

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microbiotic supplement was was was co-prescribed with the antibiotic.

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And it's almost never never do you get this response. I mean maybe one out of a thousand

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cases. And so in 1900 you will find that in the United States you had a 50 percent

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infant mortality between the age before the age of five years. Well what caused that?

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vaccines. And so that's the whole overt reason for this intense vaccine schedule that are

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that are mandated in the United States. Well you start looking at that and you go oh wait a minute

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what about even you know polio was one of the big things and of course cholera and various hepatitis

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and whooping cough and percussive of it. And there was a lot of widespread

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illness but the greatest cause of mortality was from fecal vectored waterborne pathogens.

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Potable water supplies that were chlorinated and so they controlled the amount of the waterborne

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pathogens and this was extremely important and you know large cities like New York City

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and see they don't talk about those things. I'm not saying that that the chlorination of water

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supplies was safe but it also killed all these you know fecal vectored pathogens like cholera

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and the different types of you know there are a couple of things that are very important.

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within that whole family of cholera and typhoid and such. And whenever you start looking at the

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mental illness that is derived from these enterococcus and enteroviruses as well,

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when you start looking at the number of mental cases that you have it's just staggering.

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would have an average in the United States of eight children before they were 30 years of age

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and that was the end of the childbearing year. They didn't tell you that how many percentage of

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females would die of childbearing complications especially septicemia, childbirth fever before

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the age of 30. But if they made it to 30 they had lived to 105 years of age working out in the

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fields doing stoop labor every day perfectly healthy. They don't tell you those things.

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They wouldn't tell you that if a male made it to 30 and not getting killed in an accident and not

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getting killed in war that they would live to be 105 years of age. And this is in 1900 they had lived

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to be 105 years of age working out in the fields six days a week doing stoop labor dawn to dusk

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perfectly healthy. They don't tell you that. That's not included within the data statistics.

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Well and when you start looking at all of this you'll very very readily come to the conclusion

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that the vast majority of illnesses in the United States you know and especially chronic what they

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call chronic disease and I counter the definition of disease because these are primarily environmentally

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induced syndromes but the vast majority of the environmentally induced syndromes

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that are so prevalent in the U.S. are actually iatrogenic. So back to your prelude to this

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discussion stay healthy don't get sick don't get hurt because if you get sick and you have to go to

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you know to the medical doctor you have to go to hospital then you're on the bandwagon and it's

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hard to get off of it and then and if you have any sort of medical procedure especially surgery

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there you are again. There was a it's very difficult to reverse a lot of these things

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from a surgical procedure it's impossible to reverse that and but just from the case of taking

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antibiotics any antibiotic that's not a temporary issue it's not a temporary modification of the

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gut microbiome irrespective of what they want you to believe. I asked the rhetorical question to

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these medical doctors you know on a daily basis well what was this drug that you prescribed

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and said okay well what gut modification of speciation and taxidid occurred as a result of

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that and of course then you get this blank look and you go well I don't know and go well why don't

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you know why do you have all of these different types of antibiotics you have you have hundreds

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of different antibiotics why do you have all of these different antibiotics well one you have two

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broad classes of bacteria it's going to be gram a and gram positive and gram negative and so

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and you can even look at that and you know and some of the real most prevalent bacterial species

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there that are pathogenic you know the structococcus and staphylococcus well the and so the gram a

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doesn't have the same type of molecular secretions that you have from from the gram negatives gram

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negative bacteria you know secrete this you know a class of chemicals that are referred to as

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lipopolysaccharides in addition to other things and the all that and you know there is this

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misnomer that states that these are these primitive organisms many of them unicellular

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and that they're primitive and go well in 1984 I started this down this path of neurobiology

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and was fascinated by these how these primitive organisms possess the capacity to

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actually usurp and control the brain of mammalian host how they can control the brain of a human

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completely modifying behavior you know and something as widespread as

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which is of course a plasmodium is a worm and malaria is a plasmodium either

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plasmodium falciferum or plasmodium vivax babesia that's a tick-borne

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and um and they completely modify the uh the brain they completely control your behavior

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they you know you have a tremendous amount of uh neurological neuro psychosis that's induced

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by the of the the toxoplasma toxoplasma then is widespread across the united states with people

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keeping cats in their house house cats right and where they got litter boxes especially because the

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eggs of these microscopic worms are contained again they're fecal vectored right fecal vectored

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pathogens so you have the eggs the u-sites and they're microscopic they're you know you

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and especially if you go and clean the litter box well this stuff aerosolizes and goes all over

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your house you inhale it you got the um the um the you know the plasmodium and it's a lot easier to

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catch these plasmodium than it is to get rid of them um the and because one of the things is they

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that they deliberately go to the brain and and control thought well one of the things that they

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do is is they remove inhibitions and it actually promote risk-taking behavior um and you know and

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that's in the early stages before the you know the the the the path down that road to get to the

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neuropsychosis but i've seen just you know hundreds of cases over the years of of severe

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neuropsychosis that would be designated as schizophrenic type uh syndromes that is a result

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of the toxoplasma simply by keeping cats inside of the house um and and i could expound upon this

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for days on end of all of these crazy cases well you whenever you start looking at what these

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um secretions do like the lipopolysaccharides why do these ground negative bacteria secrete them

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they one of the fascinating constructs is is that when you look at what's going on inside the human

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gut is that you have you know we don't even know how many um uh different species of bacteria is in

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a healthy of the average healthy gut in the united states but you could easily ascribe 5,000 to it

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well and so what i did back in the mid 1970s was i charted it out and said okay well we know that

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they got at least 5,000 different species so what if i chart out and i make 5,000

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5,000 different bacterial species well each one of them is secreting these

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chemical warfare agents because it's literally what it is they're making these chemical warfare

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agents that are trying to kill their uh their enemies but also encourage their friends to

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colonize the same uh terrain these are terrain issues we're right back to the um the work of

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bernard and uh bachon contemporaries of louis pastore back in the 1860s and so that they are

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going okay well what we want to do is we want to kill all of our enemies but we want all of our

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friends to come and move in next to us we can create these biofilms and the biofilms are you

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know these are high-rise condos and we can have all of all of our buddies with us and you can divide

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the um the you know the gut microbiome up to four different classifications right you got the good

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guys or these are supposed to be the ones who are our friends they're going to be the they

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the the beneficial the commensal and the symbiotic bacteria different speciation different

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taxa between all of them and then you have okay well everything else is pathogenic well what's

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pathogenic they go oh clostridium difficile is one of the leading causes of death and

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in elder care facilities and nursing homes and hospitals and then you go okay well

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so how is it that clostridium difficile is one of the reasons that you don't have um

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we have actually gone through this intellectual exercise of taking people that had severe

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uh nut allergies to the point of anaphylaxis and and dose them with specific strains of cluster

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clostridium difficile and their nut allergies go completely away they no longer experience the

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they the allergic reactions and and you can look through all of these that and say even

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the things that are deemed pathogenic usually are not it's simply these numerical relationships

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between each one so whenever you take and you just like i did again 50 years ago taking 5,000

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different species and saying okay well i'm just going to arbitrarily assign there's one million

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bacteria of each species in the gut and if you take one dose of penicillin

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what does it look like a week later yeah i mean how is that uh going to chart out well what if

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it's not penicillin what if it's doxycycline which is frontline treatment for Lyme disease

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right what is the um what's going to happen then what if it's a tetracycline how is that modified

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well what if you break out these big guns like the fluoroquinolones what is that going to do

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and and it becomes very very interesting and revealing because then whenever you take

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and you decline these populations that keep other populations in check because a homeostasis

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literally becomes where the secretions by one group of gut bugs is balanced off by the secretions

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of the other ones which keeps all of them in check so it's normalized again homeostasis where

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water flows downhill until it reaches a pond or a lake right and um and this is one of the

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the principles of the second law of thermodynamics and whenever you look through there you will find

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that that you have completely goofed everything up the enzymatics the enzymatic secretions and

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the metabolites and they and they are totally totally out of whack well what happens whenever

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you have an overgrowth then a numerical overgrowth of a ground negative bacteria in the gut

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well what it does then is something really interesting it secretes these lipopolysaccharides

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and what that does is it makes this thing called a zonulin response it's a loss of tight junction

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through the cells that are lining the gut so it allows the the separation of the of the so that

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the partially digested foods in the gut and the bacteria transfer into the bloodstream

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the vernacular term for that is leaky gut syndrome and although most people and most

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medical doctors don't understand these dynamics of what is really occurring what is really going on

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and what the ramifications of it is one is it triggers the um the different inflammatory

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responses i mean it makes your it makes your immune system go absolutely crazy

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um but it's way more than that and then you have these bacteria that are in the bloodstream

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they're not supposed to be in the bloodstream you can have a beneficial gut bug as a matter of fact

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i wrote a paper on this i don't know a year ago that's posted on on my ex account and it's

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called the uh the janus face of a um of a of a common gut bacteria um clebsiella numinae that is

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a friend of ours this is one of the good guys it confers health benefits it's also one of the leading

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causes of of of bacterial neurotoxicosis it neuropsychosis caused by this clebsiella infection

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why because again the antibiotics make this imbalance allowing it to go into the bloodstream

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and what is revealing is that these bacteria have a very very interesting thing like a lot of

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pathogenic organisms worms and so like liver flukes and such they want to go colonize the

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liver you know you got all of this forms of hepatitis and um they want to go to the liver

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and chomp on the liver well these classes of bacteria they specifically go to the blood brain

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barrier with a designed intent to colonize the human brain they go to the blood brain barrier

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and they secrete these lipopolysaccharides that open up the blood brain barrier and so i've

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expounded uh tremendously over the years on um you know on uh permeability membrane permeability

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and membrane porosity and the varying focuses of perm permeability and porosity

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it's fascinating the lipopolysaccharides then secreted by in this case like uh the clebsiella

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numonae is designed specifically to open up the blood brain barrier to allow it to become

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porous enough that it can go into the human brain and colonize the brain well whenever you have that

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bacterial infection now this is supposed to be our friend remember and so it's going and colonizing

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the brain altering the brain microbiome and you have then you know uh cerebral bacterial

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toxicosis and it it yeah this becomes part of the definitions in a mental illness

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what's mental illness and you can see these very very strong determinants there in um you know in

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all of these different cases of mental illness and the and and with the neuropsychosis with

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depression with i was working with a um a medical doctor in florida earlier today specifically on

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writing a book on depression right now and um and and he was asking me this i was feeding him

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all of this information about what causes depression and then why the um you know the

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the anti-depressants don't work no words matter of fact so many of the antidepressants actually

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cause you know rage issues hostility issues and suicidal tendencies and the homicidal tendencies

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well that's not solving problems you're dramatically exacerbating these problems

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dramatically and um and you know and again you're altering neurotransmitters you're

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goofing all kinds of things up and and so you can come back and you can look at all of these

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different dynamics that are caused by and this is what my cardiovascular paper is that i'm

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trying to complete now um for publication and and it's exactly the same path it is um it is the same

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path as we're discussing right here of cardiovascular disease and then you know okay well

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what about the uh uh yama mani in uh on you know a remote amazonian tribe you know they they don't

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that was one of the groups that i studied back in the as an undergrad they have they don't have

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historically any um cardiovascular disease and you know what their diet is primarily

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bananas and the minnows that they can catch out in the um in the local streams

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well and then you know so some of the tubers and seeds and and fruit but it's mainly bananas

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they're the bulk of their diet indigenously has been bananas and uh and these you know supplemented

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by by these little minnows and freshwater and so um and it flies in the face of everything

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that is taught in medical schools in the united states or in the eu or in australia

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and so oh and but it's in you know it is stated by the cdc the centers for disease control in

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the united states that it's the number one cause of death and it's actually whenever you look at

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the published data it's almost twice as many cases of mortality in the united states attributed to

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cardiovascular disease annually then to the number two cause of death which is um cancers of all

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types of cancers but when you then really look at what the number the reason for the cardiovascular

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disease that's iatrogenic again we're back to iatrogenic disease where the the treatments

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that are prescribed by the medical doctors following the standard of care of evidence-based

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medicine is actually causing the of the disease and um and then i've written extensively over the

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years too um um you know what vaccines do uh when i was an undergrad uh my 1972 my roommate

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was going into microbiology and he became a um a professor of veterinary medicine

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that made vaccines animal vaccines and brilliant brilliant uh guy and uh so i had an extensive

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background you know in vaccine development back 50 years ago and um and then that expanded until

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today too so i'm very familiar with vaccines what they are and what they do and so i've written

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extensively on on this over the years about like in the case of um ms ms and and a lot of those are

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referred to as demyelination syndromes right myelin being a the insulation on the nerves

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so you have the neurons you have the insulation around the neurons and that insulation then

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whenever it is eroded it's kind of like a rat chews on the uh on the lamp cord and the the two

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wires and you know everything shorts out on your lamp well that's literally what ms is

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now the why that the demyelination syndromes occur well then that comes into very very broad

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range and it could be you know from nutrient deficiencies functional b12 specific orthomolecular

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uh chemistries of b12 will cause that and but you also have these things called molecular biomimicry

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right and the molecular biomimicry from uh one of the fundamental tenants of vaccine development is

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well you don't want to introduce a vaccine injected into the bloodstream

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that is going to have the same proteins that are produced endogenously in the body any of the human

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tissues if you if you give it well you know the immune system starts going and and attacking

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that and and and you know and that's attributed to a lot of you know arthritis and like a type

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one diabetes those types of autoimmune diseases which are again environmentally induced syndromes

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um the so you start taking that again into this context and you have a lot of bugs

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who will go and they will start actually doing the chomping just like those rats

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on the myelin sheathing so you can have the pathogenic um uh chomping on the nerves

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or you could have the immune system attacking this and the molecular bio and so you got three

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different forms of molecular biomimicry and that i've identified and written about

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but from the vaccines then one of the things that theoretically works really really well

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is the um what would be called the um you know it's like hepatitis b

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vaccine was one of them and it's a recombinant uh recombinant dna loop snippets of recombinant dna

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that replicate parts of the pathogen of the of the genetic sequences within the pathogen

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but then it because you could theoretically get something that is not going to

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have any proteins expressed in there that would cause this autoimmune syndrome or molecular

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biomimicry do they do it well i'm not saying that i'm saying it's theoretically possible if you run

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that inverse algorithm that from that you will find that it would be a theoretical possibility

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if you could do it correctly ai perhaps could uh could do that now is there a scourge of um you know

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of that of um you know pathogenic scorches over the years the biblical plagues well yeah you know

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we know that smallpox was not fun yeah smallpox was not fun at all and they uh you know the black

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plague was not fun at all now what causes them is a different deal and how to prevent that becomes

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a different deal because a lot of this has to do with sanitation and it has to do with um

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with nutrient deficiencies you know poor diet and you know in lack of specific nutrients

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remember the reason um that the other the british sailors you know would have these different

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diseases like scurvy and rickets and berry berry and so and they found out that they could start

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you know having lying bringing lemons and limes and you know you wouldn't and you could eliminate

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the vitamin c deficiencies and uh and and there were a lot of these problems come back to

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having the the other the nutrient deficiencies and functional nutrient deficiencies

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but the atrogenic uh uh issues now is so prevalent in the united states

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that i dare say that cardiovascular disease is not even close to being the number one cause of

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morbidity and mortality in the united states rather it's iatrogenic the doctors are causing

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it and the doctors are causing it by the prescriptive practices and the clinical procedures

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instead of correcting the core issues and making these issues cease to exist

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well they're they're complicating and exacerbating it um just as we were discussing

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on the sunday call about the you know the cholesterol and statins well you know i mean

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i mean does cholesterol cause cardiovascular disease yeah that i mean it's that's nonsensical

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again you can go back and look at a lot of these indigenous populations that don't have

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cardiovascular disease i mean good gracious like uh the tolingets and in inuits eskimo populations

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they seal blubber whale blubber they're eating prodigious quantities of cholesterol

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they don't have cardiovascular disease till they start eating sugar and and then whenever they

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start and and so and it comes back into these functions of hyperinsulinia so and and these are

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very very clear paths well there's also whenever you start having these these gut populations that

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are knocked out of flak and um that are in the imbalance they lose their homeostasis and and

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one of the common gut fungi is um candida's albicans and candida's albicans is actually a

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population of a fungal yeast population of a healthy gut well when it gets um when it's not

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held into check by specific bacterial secretions again back to the chemical warfare well and the

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propionates the the propionates secrete these various types of propionic acid that are

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the most potent anti-fungals ever you know ever discovered and so they keep them out you knock

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the propionates out and you get a a fungal overgrowth in the gut well they go out and

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instead of secreting like the ground negative bacteria secretes the lipopal polysaccharides

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they secrete aspartic proteases well they do exactly parallel to what these ground negative

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bacteria do they go into the bloodstream they float around in the bloodstream wanting wanting

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with an overt desire to go up to the blood brain barrier they secrete these specific molecules

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these are secreted aspartic proteases that separate the blood brain barrier the cells in them

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and allow them into the human brain to colonize the brain cerebral

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mycosis is the result of the colonization of these fungal pathogens because they are pathogenic

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in those numbers and this is numerical relationships where you're losing the homeostasis

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and you can you can see this whenever you really start looking at it it is such a

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widespread phenomenon so i've gotten in a number of years ago into this subject of the doctrine of

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free will well allegedly people have free will the only people that don't have free will

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in a biblical sense it are people who are not of you know who are children right before

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a certain age don't have free will allegedly and people who are mentally

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incompetent now the mental incompetence there was you know you could say well that was down

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syndromes which is an endogenous genetic issue and but now whenever we're coming back into a

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population and charles she was a lawyer look at you know the various types of criminal acts

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not to mention the behavioral acts within the family and such

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how much of that is related to having these you know these pathogenic organisms and and the

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parasites in the case of like the the toxoplasma and having the the fungal infections having the

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viral infections having the bacterial infections having the parasitic infections in the brain

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not counting any sort of trauma psychological or physical trauma i mean you have it's crazy like

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five million cases of brain trauma that occurs in the united states every year from automobile

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accidents where people you know hit their head on the window or on the steering wheel and in

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automobile accidents and what we have learned i started a program on the on this for the u.s

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military in 2001 for you know for you know the military personnel that are brain injured and so

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all of this stuff condenses back into what are the forms of brain injury and and and all of this

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and and and then it cascades back into what we refer to as the four primary neurodegenerative

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diseases you know which is parkinson's alzheimer's als and ms and and so you have the neurodegenerative

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diseases there that are all cascaded together well you can also say that lime disease comes back and

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plays right into here neuro borreliosis and um and which is widespread there uh cdc last year

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in 2024 said that there were oh it's like 440 000 new cases of lime just in the united states in

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2024 you know so this is i mean these are very very serious issues you don't you don't hear

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about that you hear about oh well uh you got to lower your blood pressure by taking this blood

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pressure lowering medication you have to uh take cholesterol lowering medications you have to

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you know and it's all uh pharmaceutical bound and scans and you know and all of these different

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types of imaging and blood tests and um and pharmaceutical interventions from the

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pharmacological interventions come uh front and foremost is that solving the problem and then you

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ask the question does it even have the does it possess the inherent capability

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of of correcting these underlying issues and in most cases it does not at all it simply doesn't

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even possess the inherent capability and and and we're not we have not even gotten over into what

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um my original focus was which is you know low dose chronic environmental exposures to um to these

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environmental not just uh chemical exposures but other types of environmental exposures like to

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electromagnetic radiation and ionizing radiation and whenever you're you're having all of these

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different types of exposures how do you have the modifications then of gene expression

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well when i started this path in 1972 there was no such thing as epigenetics that didn't come into

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use and you know into the modern parlance until 2004 2005 something like that now it is common

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back then in the 1970s that's three decades before um the you know the the the use of the

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term epigenetics and the recognition of it it was uh i referred to it as Lamarckian Lamarckism

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well Lamarck is if you look on wikipedia it'll say it's a Lamarckian evolution was a baseless

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discredited pseudoscientific theory and go really well you know what when i was in ninth grade i

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read the work of Lamarck and Lamarckian evolution and at that point in time i'm going well that

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makes more sense than anything that i've read you know i mean i i read darwin's works also

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the origin of the species and the scent of man i read those cover to cover and i can tell you this

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the religion of darwinism and what he wrote he darwin an anglican minister on on his graduation

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tour they're not even remotely similar and not not what uh what Lamarck what Lamarck did

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extraordinary work and the whole field of epigenetics is the work of uh of Lamarck

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but whenever you take the work of and of Lamarck of of of uh of bachon of bernard and of louis

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pastore and if you condense those together you you really got a very very solid model

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and and people were you know the medical uh community in the united states is trying to argue

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that okay well like these works don't relate to one another that they're conflicting and i'm going

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they're not conflicting they're perfectly complementary they they they work together

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like interlocking fingers but then whenever you come back and the early works that i did

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in the early research was and everything that i do is anti-aging and tissue and organ regeneration

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it's always been i started that path in 1972 always been my focus everything that we discuss today

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falls within that focus okay well then you go well wait a minute what happens with why do they have

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all of these cancers i had a illuminating conversation with a um with a this was a global

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director of infectious disease and uh and and a couple of days ago and we were discussing he was

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from um from africa and he was discussing that when in the early 70s that when he was

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working there in a hospital before he came to the u.s that he that that he was treating cancers

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and um and that now he was over at the same medical school hospital

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a few months ago on assignment for by a u.s organization that he's he's over there and he

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said that the the wards in the hospital were flooded with cancer patients but the cancers that

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he was seeing now were not the same type of cancers that he saw in 19 in the early 1970s

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nor did they respond the same they were different different types of cancers and

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and his comment to that was in a paper that i had written specifically about this the difference in

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historical cancers versus modern man-made cancers they're very different they're completely

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different completely radically different why aren't these things addressed why isn't this

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the common conversation in the media and in the and in politics and in the medical community

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and of course the answer is is that they don't want to address the issues they don't want to

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address the fundamentals and what they want to do is prescribe drugs and to treat cancers with

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these different types of chemotherapy agents and ionizing radiation and in in immunotherapy

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compounds what does that fix the problem well obviously not and um and then whenever you see

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the ashes of these people that if they do survive the treatments well most of them are just really

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messed up and so when you come back to medical ethics they i try not to engage in politics

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i try to i strive for truth and for accuracy without any political agenda whatsoever

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but back to your comment Charles earlier in the prelude there you were referencing

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referencing these ideological issues and the reason that things are the way they are

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in the united states is exactly that and the reason that trump was elected was as a blowback

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to how crazy things had gotten and the reason that um that Bobby Kennedy is in the position

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that he's in right now is because of the level of untruth and and it is his job to try to bring

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truth to this now how much are they allowed to do this well and uh again i've not heard Bobby Kennedy

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say one thing that i haven't lectured on for these these past 47 years i've i've i've it's literally

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like he is reading uh transcripts from my lectures and reading my writings and everything that he has

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said thus far so i certainly you know can't say anything negative about it as a matter of fact i'm

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what i'm saying is thank goodness it's finally time fine and um and so and and then brings back

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to another topic about translations etymological translations of time you know and there were um

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in how the yesteryear in biblical time there were actually two different words that were used there

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one was chronos one was peteros two completely radical different philosophical constructs

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pranos okay you got a chronograph you got a watch right measures time as it moves what is time

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time is a subscription to the second law of thermodynamics where water flows downhill

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time flows downhill and those things are you know you can look at them and and and see these

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keros is very very different keros in biblical terms was a period of time wasn't time it was a

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period of time and so the keros of a person's life was from the time they were born until the

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time that they die right or from they and these were demarcations of time

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the new millennium is a keros right where you have this period of time in order to effectuate

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something well you could uh you could come back and say well you know the um there was this

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keros there from like the 1860s until until recently of the age of physics where you had

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max plank and eisenberg and um and and and and and coming back to einstein and all of the great

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luminaries of physics well you know what that they had this time period where it was just

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absolutely amazing amazing uh transformation and thought well that's kind of been out of the way

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because we've now entered into this era of censorship though imagine my frustration

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whenever i go out and i pick up you know and i glance a hundred peer-reviewed medical publications

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that is published in major journals you know like harvard you know this is from harvard

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1:16:03 --> 1:16:10
medical school new england journal of medicine landsat uh nature and the the large journals

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and i glance at stuff and i get two sentences into it and i'm going it's not true

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if they're saying one thing it's not true they're what in the other parts of the paper are true as

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well we're right back to the work of uh dr kelly with this inverse uh with these inverse algorithms

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proving okay is the math correct when there is a the there is no partial credit for math irrespective

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of the number of variables in the mathematical equation in real life there is you don't get

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1:17:01 --> 1:17:09
partial credit whenever the rocket ship leaves from cape canaveral and it's going to mars

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and then deploying the mars rover you have hundreds of thousands millions of variables in there

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of you know mostly of euclidean geometry and when you look at that if you get one of them wrong

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1:17:27 --> 1:17:34
you know what happens that spaceship is not going to land and that mars rover is not going to be

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sending the pictures back to earth that's exactly the way the human body works in terms of

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of quote medicine you get one thing wrong and it's not going to work properly well what are the

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one things wrong and you can come back keep going excuse me keep going no i just saw him was unmuted

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and and you can come back and you can look at the same thing and go wait a minute what is aging

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actually had this conversation a few days ago with a friend who has developed a i did engineering

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back 20 years ago on a technology that was a biomass energy generator made prodigious

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quantities of energy just with any sort of waste biomass and it's a wonderful

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device that he built and he was telling me about how he's up to with this new technology that he's

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implemented he's up to 99.4 efficiency in his combustion cycle and that's measuring the

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the particulate matter and things like that in the affluent

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i gave him the exact parallel and corollary to this conversation that that is specifically

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what disease and aging is what we're doing what we're doing really is we're measuring

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the affluent of the metabolic waste byproducts okay is this the way that the combustion cycle

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oh let's just say for one thing like in the crub cycle which is what it used to be and it went to

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the one carbon cycle and the what citric acid cycle i think they're calling it now and and and

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this is of of adenosine triphosphate generation for energy of the cell right so and and bear in

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mind that the ATP generation is a phosphorylated process well so whenever things don't work

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properly and when you don't have 100 efficiency in the oxid these are oxidative and phosphorylated

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so it and whenever you don't have 100 efficiency well you got these metabolic waste

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you got metabolic waste guess what that translates into aging

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that's literally what it is

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and back to that concept of time of chronos people make this this uh perception that's not very

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that's not very accurate that that whenever a person has another birthday in another cycle

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around the sun they put another candle on a birthday cake they're older you know they're

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chronologically older but how does that translate to biologically older and then the argument can

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come back and say well yeah but but look you even have a rock ages and go no a rock doesn't age

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a rock weathers and there is a difference between aging and weathering and a difference between

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biological aging and rock weathering because that rock weathering is not an organic process

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and and and and so it these become very very interesting and illuminating uh philosophical

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constructs so the patriarchs of the torah it's what i modeled everything on back in

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you know in the early 70s so you really only have about three different uh perceptions there of these

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patriarchs like noah living to almost a thousand years of age like 964 years old

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that either one it's myth that they didn't two is they didn't count years the same or

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um it is true back to my um the the 39.5 39.6 years of average life expectancy in the u.s in 1900

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i had three one two three i had four of my uh great aunts that were my grandmother's sisters

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that were born in the 1800s and they lived to 104 and 105 years of age

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wait a minute i thought the average life expectancy was 39.5 years of age in 1900

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well yeah i had they lived 104 and 105 this uh uh

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these things are very real and the the statistics don't tell the truth and so

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yeah there is a um people think that whenever they say health care and they talk about oh my

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doctor is real nice and he's a really nice friendly guy and you go okay well that means

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okay well that means he has good bedside manner just good does good bedside manner does that

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translate to competence does that translate to his ability to correct these underlying probe

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problems or is he simply somebody who is a nice caring person but yet is a pawn of the system

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and people think and they're conditioned to think that the doctor is their friend and that

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he's out there to help them and that the health care system is there to make them not be sick

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and go okay well well that's a wonderful fairy tale

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um but is it anything other than a fairy tale is that not the myth

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because you can easily look at all of this and politics aside from it

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you can easily look to see back to this biblical avarice where you know people say that

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all the love of money is the root of all evil and go no it's not

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you know these biblical forms of avarice is the root of all evil but that is unbridled hubris

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of arrogance and the unbridled lust for power for control and for money and when you put all four

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1:25:53 --> 1:26:03
those things together that's what you got now oh but then you want to see the synergistic relationship

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to the unbridled hubris unbridled lust for power for control and money add ignorance into that

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equation and then that is an exponential factor and so here we are

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very good if ignorance is bliss meryl how come so many people are depressed

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oh

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oh this is bliss how come so many people are unhappy meryl thank you for that tour de force

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of the last one hour and 20 minutes most most enjoyable um steven's going to have the first

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series of questions but i want everyone to understand button heart bear this bear unique

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bear is designed to help save children being trafficked for sex and slavery it's a powerful

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initiative and there are millions of children each year trafficked so i'll put the link in so

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you can find out about button heart bear at the forever freedom movement it's about freeing children

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from being trafficked and it's one of the great challenges of our society of western civilization

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and the pedophilia and as you were talking about that journey of humanity in the 900 plus years of

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you know people living a long time which i certainly believe in and my plan is to work

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till i'm 125 um it it reminds me of of 500 years ago in in italy the norm was to get married at 13

607
1:27:52 --> 1:28:02
years of age girls got married at 13 years of age interesting um the other question i don't

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don't comment on this but i just make the observation meryl with you're waiting on

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five papers to be peer reviewed i wouldn't trust peer reviewed if you if you threw it at me

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anymore and i understand it's it's peer reviews peer reviews are nothing but rubber stamps

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but the journal want to see them yeah now that's it's simply and and steven i think we had someone

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come here and and talk about setting up an alternative you know publication system to

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get rid of the nonsense of peer review but you know the it is it is nonsensical and it is a

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rubber stamp and it's and in institutions they're reciprocal rubber stamps it's like okay you

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1:28:49 --> 1:28:55
rubber stamp my paper and i'll rubber stamp your paper nice and that's literally what it is

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um and last question before we go to steven we've had professor ian bryant hope and other people

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here i've asked the question you know and i ask you this question how much to what to what extent

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is a percentage in your view with all the study you've done to what extent do we understand the

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functioning of the human cell of each cell in our bodies how much do we understand it

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not even enough to even scratch the surface he and bright hope said less than one percent

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oh far less than one percent okay so everybody how about a how about a millionth of one percent

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well and um just like um there was a a new um a particle um uh you know intracellular

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particle it was just discovered a week ago and it was called a hemisphere something like that

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because they don't know what it is it is it is a component a cellular component that is smaller

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than is theoretically allowed so he said okay well we don't know what this is

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but it works and it's actually carrying on these functions that you know in um in vitro functions

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and so we know it's carrying on then in vivo functions but we don't know what it is because

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we've never even seen before not much less even heard of it yeah and answering your question there

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more explicitly i was interviewed about about 10 years ago um um to on a b12 metabolism project

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this is university of texas and uh and they the the principal investigator called me up

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interviewed me for two hours and said oh my goodness you know more about b12 metabolism than

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1:31:13 --> 1:31:18
anybody i've ever talked with and you're going to be the subject matter expert i'm going oh

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totally cool you know because this is multi-institutional and multi-national

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and a research program and so i dove headfirst into it and the over the that was the first

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week of june and we finished the project i finished i finished up over the christmas

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holiday so that's what seven months later and i realized then that when i started that project

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i knew every single thing that there was it was published about b12 metabolism i knew one thimble

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full of knowledge in that ocean of b12 metabolism and when i finished the project

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1:32:08 --> 1:32:14
seven months later i knew maybe one gallon out of that proverbial ocean

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again not even a grain of sand on the beach it's that complicated it's that complex and a few weeks

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1:32:27 --> 1:32:36
a few months ago i actually had the enormous pleasure of having a um a medical doctor call

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1:32:36 --> 1:32:46
me he's in uh pennsylvania uh called me up and we had a three-hour conversation about vitamin d

643
1:32:46 --> 1:32:56
delta metabolism it's exactly the same parallel it is that complex and and and these all are

644
1:32:56 --> 1:33:05
corollaries to your question there how much do we understand about yes so and the answer is

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we don't even have a rudimentary understanding and so but you still have people out there that are

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that are in all of this arrogance you know and i learned that uh you know 40 years ago that

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you know i refuse to even deal with anybody that has the slightest trace of arrogance

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because it is the sign of intellectual immaturity and i want to deal with the best and the brightest

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and the brightest on the planet and i diligently seek out people from anywhere in the world any

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walk of life i don't care who it is and it is as long as they can contribute to the conversation

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beautiful okay stephen over to you thank you thank you meryl great work so meryl can you

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unpick this conundrum so um we you remember on that call the other night in on on sunday

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and tim kelly's method was criticized by one of the participants as unscientific um so i just wanted

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to uh so yeah so i said well it depends whether you have much respect for science so on the one

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hand you've got concord which can fly at 69 000 feet or could fly at 69 000 feet before they took

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it out of action uh at mac 2.2 and that can be reproduced apart from one time in paris when the

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when the concord crashed but on the other hand we have absolutely no understanding as far as i can

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see like a thimbleful of how the universe came about and how complex we are as human beings and

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1:34:58 --> 1:35:05
as charles said i can't remember what professor bright's hope had said but his understand our

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understanding of what was it cell something to do with the cell and you said oh very very small so i

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agree with you when it comes to biology and medicine it seems to be that science is you know

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very very shaky and so the criticism of the ai the other night that it was of the method you

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know of tim kelly's method that it was unscientific um i'm kind of so but on the other hand you see

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we can reproduce the science of concord for example so they can get the plane flying

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consistently at 69 000 feet at 2.2 mac 2.2 times the speed of sound

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and the and the plane actually expands more than a meter or expanded more than a meter in the course

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of a flight um a long flight so um and that can be coped with as well so i'm struggling with you know

668
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sometimes science is impressive it is and but most of the time it's very unimpressive when it comes to

669
1:36:15 --> 1:36:22
explanation of the universe and how we came about and you know matter is neither created nor destroyed

670
1:36:22 --> 1:36:28
according to i think that's right yes so so how the heck did anything come about when there was

671
1:36:28 --> 1:36:35
no matter to begin with well this becomes the beautiful ontological arguments that i love to

672
1:36:35 --> 1:36:44
sit around and drink a glass of red wine and have some cheese and have the those type of discussions

673
1:36:45 --> 1:36:52
what you're asking is something that i'm currently engaged in you're you're asking a a question about

674
1:36:52 --> 1:37:02
aeronautical engineering see humans are not very smart humans are very clever and there's a

675
1:37:03 --> 1:37:11
do the vast gulf of difference between those two they're not smart we're clever and like medical

676
1:37:11 --> 1:37:17
doctors at i consult for hundreds of medical doctors around the world a lot of them college

677
1:37:17 --> 1:37:25
professors and um and they asked me a question about a patient that's about a patient and um and

678
1:37:25 --> 1:37:31
it's always complex cases and so then i start explaining say no no no just tell me the answer

679
1:37:32 --> 1:37:38
go so then they take that answer and then they try to apply it to a thousand other people and

680
1:37:38 --> 1:37:48
it doesn't work well you know the uh the case with a concord at flying at mach 2.2 those are very very

681
1:37:48 --> 1:37:57
well defined physics that narrow range of physics that narrow range of material science and that

682
1:37:57 --> 1:38:05
narrow range of thermodynamics and of laminar flow across the wings and the lift and you know and all

683
1:38:05 --> 1:38:12
of those things are well defined that you can see and you can easily visualize um i've been doing for

684
1:38:12 --> 1:38:21
the past three weeks i've been doing uh hyperbaric chamber design with um i've hired a friend of mine

685
1:38:21 --> 1:38:31
who's a um he has a master's of mechanical engineering at mit and you know fantastic

686
1:38:32 --> 1:38:40
mechanical structural design engineer and i have him working with me and i'm doing this and

687
1:38:41 --> 1:38:47
and it's very very refreshing to do it the reason why is because it's known

688
1:38:48 --> 1:38:56
highly defined physics and material sciences right there we can calculate the yield strength

689
1:38:56 --> 1:39:03
we can calculate you know the notch toughness of the metal we can calculate all of that stuff

690
1:39:03 --> 1:39:11
because it's all published right there in front of you and uh and all of those are you know and

691
1:39:11 --> 1:39:18
how do they develop it well they take a piece of uh steel and they take it and they put a they

692
1:39:18 --> 1:39:24
put it up against uh you know two blocks and then they press it with a known quantity of

693
1:39:25 --> 1:39:33
force so they can these things are very very straightforward and it's nice to do these

694
1:39:33 --> 1:39:40
straightforward mathematical equations because it takes the guesswork away from it

695
1:39:42 --> 1:39:48
well whatever you're coming back and you're discussing medical science or you're discussing

696
1:39:50 --> 1:39:59
how the universe came about the well those are not straightforward and um and i'm so so we ought to

697
1:39:59 --> 1:40:07
separate the two you know the possible the spectrum from science which is uh like the

698
1:40:07 --> 1:40:12
aeronautical science that you're talking about and and say the biological science so that we

699
1:40:12 --> 1:40:18
ought to be able to admit the biological science is very very difficult and you know it's a bit

700
1:40:18 --> 1:40:23
like trying to explain the universe so um yeah but when it comes to aeronautical engineering what

701
1:40:23 --> 1:40:30
you're saying we're creating our own science and making it kind of understandable by man and then

702
1:40:30 --> 1:40:36
no what we're doing is we're taking this little bitty piece right here that can be analytically

703
1:40:36 --> 1:40:44
measured sure and then we can and then we can play with these defined measurements

704
1:40:45 --> 1:40:51
you see we're taking the guesswork out of it because they're all easily measured and it's as

705
1:40:51 --> 1:40:57
as quantified now then whenever you're talking about going back into that ontological realm

706
1:40:58 --> 1:41:07
and you're talking about the difference between literally between the laws of physics there in

707
1:41:07 --> 1:41:15
the second law first law of thermodynamics which i i agree with 100 matter can neither be created

708
1:41:15 --> 1:41:21
nor destroyed only transformed and it's matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed only

709
1:41:21 --> 1:41:28
transformed so how did the universe has the universe have always been then or how do you say

710
1:41:28 --> 1:41:32
it was created how do you think it was created if matter can neither be created nor destroyed

711
1:41:33 --> 1:41:42
well it's because one of the the thing that i have thought since i was a young child is that the most

712
1:41:43 --> 1:41:51
inherent lack of understanding in in my brain and i think in all human

713
1:41:53 --> 1:42:04
mental constructs is the concept of infinity yes you know what what came before this what happens

714
1:42:05 --> 1:42:14
you know and and so you can have those uh those philosophical debates which are fun these are

715
1:42:14 --> 1:42:21
these are really fun but there is no definitive answer because it can't be so not be quantifiably

716
1:42:21 --> 1:42:28
measured so meryl and so i just remembered something so the universe you know some people

717
1:42:28 --> 1:42:32
say that it's expanding well if it's expanding then it's finite isn't it

718
1:42:33 --> 1:42:39
and but it could be but some people say it's infinite and therefore and again we can't

719
1:42:39 --> 1:42:46
conceive of you can come back and you can say that because of gravita of gravitational lensing and

720
1:42:46 --> 1:42:53
things like that that um that that space curves back upon itself because so when it's expanding

721
1:42:53 --> 1:42:57
it's going around in a circle to come back you know you can go down through all of these

722
1:42:57 --> 1:43:06
intellectual uh exercises in theoretical physics but you still don't know you don't know because

723
1:43:06 --> 1:43:14
they're unable to be quantified so now what i what i have observed is exactly this is when i develop

724
1:43:14 --> 1:43:25
that model in 1976 of of envirogenetics that which we've been discussing tangentially today

725
1:43:26 --> 1:43:34
that i couldn't balance the equations using second law of thermodynamics which states that

726
1:43:35 --> 1:43:43
you know that um that all processes of nature tend towards lowest energy and highest entropy

727
1:43:43 --> 1:43:49
well bear in mind that information is a form of of energy right and tend towards chaos don't they

728
1:43:49 --> 1:43:58
tend towards chaos entropy and chaos is is is a form of entropy yes that becomes the loss of

729
1:43:58 --> 1:44:05
information and information and order energy implies order within the systems as well

730
1:44:05 --> 1:44:14
and but energy and information is a form of energy and it is a form of order so and you think that

731
1:44:14 --> 1:44:19
some human beings like to mislead other human beings by kind of quoting from the successes of

732
1:44:19 --> 1:44:26
human beings such as the motor car for example and the and the and you know the jet engine and the

733
1:44:26 --> 1:44:34
planes flying all over the world and very few crashes these days in i think 1917 sorry 2017

734
1:44:35 --> 1:44:41
was the first year when well i can't believe it ever happened but apparently i heard that in 2017

735
1:44:41 --> 1:44:48
it was the first year when there were no uh air disasters anywhere in the world uh in civil

736
1:44:48 --> 1:44:54
aviation you know it seems improbable you know in china and nigeria and everywhere but but anyway

737
1:44:54 --> 1:45:00
it's getting pretty safe so you can fly around in in the uk and u.s and very few crashes these days

738
1:45:00 --> 1:45:06
but so the people get invited to believe that science is wonderful you know and scientists know

739
1:45:06 --> 1:45:14
everything but i don't think that's the case i think it i am says wonderful and scientists

740
1:45:14 --> 1:45:23
anybody that thinks that they know anything at all is deceiving themselves and are lost in arrogance

741
1:45:23 --> 1:45:32
ignorance um i fully subscribe to the socratic principle and um and you know what socrates said

742
1:45:32 --> 1:45:38
was is only one thing that i even pretend to know and that is i know nothing therefore i question

743
1:45:38 --> 1:45:48
everything the only thing that i know is that i know nothing i know how to calculate meryl did

744
1:45:48 --> 1:45:54
you write the script did you write the script for manuel in faulty towers i know nothing

745
1:45:57 --> 1:46:06
and you see i can sit there and i can calculate the um you know the d stresses i can do 3d solid

746
1:46:06 --> 1:46:13
modeling you know with long hand uh on and calculate all of the stresses on a hyperbaric

747
1:46:13 --> 1:46:22
chamber well i know how to do that okay okay so i know how to do that i know how to push a lawnmower

748
1:46:22 --> 1:46:29
and mow the grass i know how to fix the lawnmower engine i know how to do those things well what is

749
1:46:29 --> 1:46:36
that in the the grand scheme of things yeah it is you know i mean you can't avoid death even you can't

750
1:46:36 --> 1:46:45
and even charles can't avoid death so and and and i want to be i try to be the absolute best

751
1:46:46 --> 1:46:55
without a close second the best in the world at what i do but the thing is is that i know

752
1:46:56 --> 1:47:03
that what i do you remember we were talking the other day steven about about the forms of dunning

753
1:47:03 --> 1:47:13
krueger and about that the the third and and and widely undiscussed form of the dunning krueger

754
1:47:13 --> 1:47:26
effect in psychiatry is the imposter syndrome yeah and and so that is where the highest information

755
1:47:26 --> 1:47:33
person that there is that of the world acclaimed person and then they're sitting there going

756
1:47:33 --> 1:47:39
okay well why am i getting these accolades because i know i don't even know what's happening

757
1:47:40 --> 1:47:50
yes and and but yet you'll have a low information person that watches a a six second sound bite on

758
1:47:50 --> 1:47:59
cnn that is disinformation and then they think in their arrogance that they have some sort of

759
1:47:59 --> 1:48:07
insight into anything yes and you know these are radically different you know uh yeah uh

760
1:48:07 --> 1:48:17
perceptions so when i was trying to develop the the field of envirogenetics will and the

761
1:48:17 --> 1:48:24
and jar the envirogenetics theory of disease model of disease i couldn't balance the equations

762
1:48:24 --> 1:48:32
it wouldn't work because it does not subscribe to the second law of thermodynamics and so i

763
1:48:32 --> 1:48:44
realize that as brilliant as these guys were that wrote the second law it's incomplete because what

764
1:48:45 --> 1:48:54
it does is it only addresses the the cycle of entropy i refer to it as the entropic cycle

765
1:48:57 --> 1:49:03
but i'm going oh wait a minute all you're doing is you're saying that water's flowing downhill and

766
1:49:03 --> 1:49:13
times and in time is flowing downhill but that's incomplete so now or there to be entropy well there

767
1:49:13 --> 1:49:20
has to be negative entropy yes it's the same as having a plus one you got to have a minus one in

768
1:49:20 --> 1:49:29
order to equal zero yes becomes homeostasis again right um oh sorry have you carry on finish if you

769
1:49:29 --> 1:49:37
want yeah and so therefore whenever you start looking at this and you say oh wait a minute

770
1:49:37 --> 1:49:46
we're only describing one of the cycles of uh of the second law of thermodynamics the other cycle

771
1:49:46 --> 1:49:55
is the negative entropy which i call centropy and the centropic cycle and that centropic cycle then

772
1:49:56 --> 1:50:04
has it is non-linear it does not have time flowing downhill time can can stop time can

773
1:50:04 --> 1:50:11
stop time can flow forward time can flow backwards and non-linearity bear in mind that all

774
1:50:12 --> 1:50:19
quantum physics is non-linear and so you could extrapolate from that that quantum physics really

775
1:50:20 --> 1:50:28
is cohered matter and um and that whenever matter decoheres it comes into

776
1:50:28 --> 1:50:36
three-dimensional classical physics and then you can look at all of these things and say that okay

777
1:50:36 --> 1:50:45
well and this is the illumination that i had on this back decades ago i realized that as a chemist

778
1:50:46 --> 1:50:52
that and which is where i started my career that there is no such thing as chemistry

779
1:50:52 --> 1:50:58
um that it's it's all physics it's just a sub-discipline of sub-discipline of physics

780
1:50:58 --> 1:51:05
and all it is is flows of energy we're right back to energy again and in that first law of

781
1:51:05 --> 1:51:12
thermodynamics well it's just a different form of energy and we can and we can make that energy

782
1:51:12 --> 1:51:17
do all kinds of different things because we're clever we don't know why it's happening but

783
1:51:17 --> 1:51:27
happening but necessarily but we can do it and um and hey i learned how in in the early 1970s to

784
1:51:27 --> 1:51:34
make all of these novel synthetic molecules that never existed that we know of in history well i

785
1:51:34 --> 1:51:40
can make them i don't know what i'm doing but i could i and back then i didn't know anything at

786
1:51:40 --> 1:51:46
all about what i was doing but i could still make them and thought it was cool wow look at this i

787
1:51:46 --> 1:51:54
can make this stuff it never existed before well i started doing recombinant dna and nuclear

788
1:51:54 --> 1:52:03
transfers back then wow look at this we can we can do this artificial modification and cloning a cow

789
1:52:04 --> 1:52:13
and um and with this nuclear transfer still didn't know what we were doing but now the thing is

790
1:52:13 --> 1:52:20
somewhere along the way i'm studying photosynthesis and saying okay well photosynthesis

791
1:52:21 --> 1:52:29
defies literally everything you know i mean it it certainly defies all of the principles of chemistry

792
1:52:29 --> 1:52:36
that you know that no chemical reaction can be complete and there's always an initiation and an

793
1:52:36 --> 1:52:42
end it's a period of time involved in the reaction well photosynthesis photosynthesis

794
1:52:42 --> 1:52:51
defies both of those laws of chemistry and and then you go why does it defy the laws

795
1:52:52 --> 1:52:59
well then if you really look at it you say that's because this is this is cohered this is a cohere

796
1:52:59 --> 1:53:10
quantum reaction that's non-linear and because and then it becomes catalysis these are catalytic

797
1:53:11 --> 1:53:24
reactions and when a catalytic reaction is you know if it's by a if it's an inorganic chemical

798
1:53:24 --> 1:53:28
it's called a catalyst like in your catalytic converter of your car

799
1:53:29 --> 1:53:39
but if it's a catalyst that's made by a biological organism well it's called an enzyme yeah so

800
1:53:39 --> 1:53:47
exactly the same thing yeah and and if you look at what the that definition is that's a okay the

801
1:53:48 --> 1:53:54
catalyst is something that initiates or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself

802
1:53:54 --> 1:54:04
participating in the reaction nor being consumed by the reaction well then but then whenever you

803
1:54:04 --> 1:54:10
look at it you go well wait a minute that doesn't subscribe to the laws of three-dimensional classical

804
1:54:10 --> 1:54:18
physics these are non-linear reactions and that's the reason that they work the way they do

805
1:54:18 --> 1:54:25
it's not unlike quantum tunneling it's not like you know einstein's theoretical wormhole

806
1:54:26 --> 1:54:32
you know where you and what he said was that wormhole wasn't that you're tunneling through

807
1:54:32 --> 1:54:39
the universe from this point in space to the other point in space that you're actually taking the two

808
1:54:39 --> 1:54:45
points in space and you're putting them to bending it over and putting it together and then

809
1:54:45 --> 1:54:52
making a connection right there between them and that has a you know an infinite distance

810
1:54:53 --> 1:55:05
and so but you can see exactly the same thing and and literally my perception of this is that

811
1:55:06 --> 1:55:14
I'm looking at you right now and I can see cohere matter and I can see cohere

812
1:55:14 --> 1:55:25
de-cohere matter and de-cohere energy forms the matter you know and that's again by our best

813
1:55:26 --> 1:55:35
regulation that matter the thing that we see in 3d classical physics is simply condensed matter

814
1:55:35 --> 1:55:42
condensed I mean condensed energy condensed energy becomes matter and these are are as all

815
1:55:42 --> 1:55:50
de-coherence yeah it's cohered yeah so sorry um at merrill I wanted to ask you this so

816
1:55:51 --> 1:55:57
when I was 18 I think it was or it might have been 19 I don't know I read um you know Leonard

817
1:55:57 --> 1:56:04
Wolf is the husband of um was the husband of course of Virginia Wolf who was the fantastic

818
1:56:05 --> 1:56:12
English writer yes and she committed suicide sadly but she was absolutely brilliant um but

819
1:56:12 --> 1:56:18
anyway he so he's the husband and they were both members of the Bloomsbury group in London so

820
1:56:18 --> 1:56:24
Bloomsbury is part of London and so anyway he I remembered this quote weirdly and I just wondered

821
1:56:24 --> 1:56:30
what you make of this quote okay so can you break it down for us though that if you can the credulity

822
1:56:30 --> 1:56:37
of human beings is so gigantic and unquenchable that not only do millions of them believe in

823
1:56:37 --> 1:56:42
the dictates of an older gentleman in Rome about contraceptives but they also believe he is in

824
1:56:42 --> 1:56:49
direct communication with the deity which created the universe stars and infinite space

825
1:56:50 --> 1:56:54
I'm sorry we're gonna we're gonna Merrill we got a problem because we've had 20 minutes that was

826
1:56:54 --> 1:56:58
it that's a two hour that's a three hour conversation statement we've got two hands up and we're

827
1:56:58 --> 1:57:05
done with one question anyway this is the second question so the do you want to read that quote again

828
1:57:06 --> 1:57:12
I really didn't know that the credulity of human beings is so gigantic and unquenchable that not

829
1:57:12 --> 1:57:19
only do millions of them believe in the dictates of an old gentleman in Rome about contraceptives

830
1:57:19 --> 1:57:27
but they also believe that he the old gentleman in Rome is in direct communication with the deity

831
1:57:27 --> 1:57:32
which created the universe the stars and infinite space he wrote that

832
1:57:32 --> 1:57:33
he wrote that

833
1:57:36 --> 1:57:37
the thing about it is

834
1:57:44 --> 1:57:53
they uh I had that perhaps the the most incredible course I ever had in I've been going to to

835
1:57:53 --> 1:58:02
university for 53 years now I take courses every semester I've gone to five different

836
1:58:02 --> 1:58:12
universities in the past two years including Cambridge and Oxford and and so I take these

837
1:58:12 --> 1:58:22
courses continually and the best course that I think I ever had was a a graduate course and

838
1:58:24 --> 1:58:29
archaeology anthropology and it was comparative religions

839
1:58:30 --> 1:58:40
it was studying exactly those type of questions that is the from all of these indigenous

840
1:58:40 --> 1:58:48
populations around the world and comparing and contrasting their belief systems back with the

841
1:58:48 --> 1:58:58
five universalizing religions and fascinating you know because they you know there's not a whole

842
1:58:58 --> 1:59:07
lot of difference fundamentally underneath them they have the same platform and but but then

843
1:59:08 --> 1:59:17
they have these things that the religious the groups then start making all of these different

844
1:59:17 --> 1:59:23
laws and everything and rules and regulations that create the difference but underneath they're

845
1:59:23 --> 1:59:33
the same thank you and and and and in finalizing that comment if you want to read things that

846
1:59:33 --> 1:59:41
are very very real and this is in the the realm of semiotics of of symbols and symbolic language

847
1:59:42 --> 1:59:54
um uh Joseph Campbell and his uh he did a you know guy who's a professor of uh of uh of anthropology

848
1:59:54 --> 2:00:04
and cultural anthropology and a gazillion different universities and um and his lecture series was

849
2:00:04 --> 2:00:12
called the power of myth it's about that uh that mythology in its symbolic which is you know all

850
2:00:12 --> 2:00:18
poetry is all written in symbolic language the Greek myths and and what symbolic language really

851
2:00:20 --> 2:00:27
you know what it really means because it's it's not just literal interpretations but it's the

852
2:00:28 --> 2:00:34
you know double entendres and the allegories all right come on stop you're taking too long

853
2:00:34 --> 2:00:42
to answer questions we're never gonna finish he's joking Meryl we're great we're finishing it you

854
2:00:42 --> 2:00:48
are terrific we've got 25 minutes to go we've got two hands up you've had 25 minutes already Stephen

855
2:00:48 --> 2:00:54
and you know we could Meryl you're quite right we can go for hours we haven't got hours so Stephen

856
2:00:54 --> 2:01:00
thank you for that we have Tom then Carl Adine and both of them have important issues to raise

857
2:01:00 --> 2:01:08
Tom okay thanks um yeah I pick up um I looked at your bio again and I saw the first presentation

858
2:01:08 --> 2:01:14
and you know you got in engineering and oh boy I got a timer going off here

859
2:01:16 --> 2:01:23
Jesus Christ I'm just gonna let it go anyhow engineering and um material science physics

860
2:01:23 --> 2:01:29
biology and so forth the hyperbaric chambers so you really get down to earth on those and

861
2:01:30 --> 2:01:39
sounds like they're doing like traffic management what are you doing Tom I'm I was cooking

862
2:01:41 --> 2:01:47
okay that's awesome yeah I'm not in my normal household right now I'm taking this is my last

863
2:01:47 --> 2:01:53
time taking care of these animals here um what about the brass tacks stuff on the hyperbaric

864
2:01:53 --> 2:02:00
chambers how long have you been doing that did you watch over time the introduction of computing

865
2:02:00 --> 2:02:08
and do you have control systems for these things is there a I know they're large um I'm also

866
2:02:08 --> 2:02:14
interested in the experience of the human inside like are there some non-obvious things like if I

867
2:02:14 --> 2:02:20
tried to go after a bit boil water or something inside the chamber you know what how does the

868
2:02:20 --> 2:02:27
how do people experience it physically when they're inside and then what's the mechanism

869
2:02:27 --> 2:02:34
for healing that you speculate as far as like the brain injuries and so so forth well I'll

870
2:02:36 --> 2:02:43
try to digest that real quickly one I've been doing this since back in the 1960s I've been

871
2:02:44 --> 2:02:53
really involved in hyperbaric medicine if you will since 1972 and for not just the stuff that

872
2:02:53 --> 2:02:59
you hear about but most of the things that I do you don't hear about and much of it's not even

873
2:02:59 --> 2:03:08
published um two is if you want to read a complete synopsis of this um you can

874
2:03:09 --> 2:03:16
um I there is a paper that I wrote as a several years ago for handouts to

875
2:03:17 --> 2:03:24
medical for medical doctors to hand out to their patients the name of it is called modern day

876
2:03:24 --> 2:03:33
miracles and it's under my name on x or I can drop a link to y'all drop a drop a link man

877
2:03:33 --> 2:03:40
that'd be good and and it is uh but it is modern day miracles

878
2:03:42 --> 2:03:48
okay and I won't even expound we don't have time for me to tell you what the the the

879
2:03:48 --> 2:03:54
illustration of the miracles because they are miraculous can you give me something believe them

880
2:03:55 --> 2:04:01
one one or two factoids about you know like compare a submarine you know the the design

881
2:04:01 --> 2:04:06
of a submarine versus a hyperbaric it's inverse it's in the physics are inversed

882
2:04:08 --> 2:04:14
and and uh and what about the operate do you have one human that's watching this process

883
2:04:14 --> 2:04:21
I assume you also have somebody monitoring it uh because it's very dangerous oh no I invented a

884
2:04:23 --> 2:04:29
technology that is the next generation beyond hyperbaric oxygen therapy I developed it for

885
2:04:29 --> 2:04:38
neuro regeneration for the U.S. military back in 2006 and then I have multiple patents on it

886
2:04:38 --> 2:04:45
and these are 50 person chambers that can treat 1200 people per day

887
2:04:48 --> 2:04:56
okay and so it's pretty much automated a little bit of I can do it from uh from both a manual

888
2:04:56 --> 2:05:03
a one person manual up to 50 person completely automated it doesn't you know and but

889
2:05:09 --> 2:05:17
there's a lot of different forms of hyperbarics and the definition under the typical medical

890
2:05:18 --> 2:05:25
FDA guidelines for their definition of hyperbaric oxygen therapy I don't even really do it

891
2:05:26 --> 2:05:37
because it has value I mean profound value um and the um but um well what I do is again

892
2:05:37 --> 2:05:44
neuro regeneration that's what my whole thing is you know what's the mechanism Tom asked the

893
2:05:44 --> 2:05:50
question what's the mechanism in in short form why does oxygen under pressure have such a wonderful

894
2:05:50 --> 2:05:58
impact well it's because uh okay let me take real quick get back to the second law of thermodynamics

895
2:05:58 --> 2:06:05
right you know all processes of nature tend towards the uh the highest concentration the

896
2:06:05 --> 2:06:13
lowest concentration so whenever you apply um the hyperbaric gas and it could be any gas

897
2:06:14 --> 2:06:20
it's going for pushing it into your lungs it's then going to diffuse it creates a tissue

898
2:06:20 --> 2:06:28
diffusion gradient between the avially in your lungs and then into your bloodstream and then

899
2:06:28 --> 2:06:35
from your bloodstream across the uh the cells lining the blood vessels into the tissues

900
2:06:36 --> 2:06:42
and um and therefore into the cells well whenever a baby is born you have

901
2:06:43 --> 2:06:54
the your uh capillary beds the lining the of the of the capillary beds are supposed to be completely

902
2:06:54 --> 2:07:01
transparent to the diffusion of oxygen well you could describe that a whole lot of the

903
2:07:02 --> 2:07:12
you know the processes of aging comes back to um advanced glycation in products this is caused by

904
2:07:12 --> 2:07:24
having um these are technical definitions of of enzymatic glycosylation versus non-enzymatic

905
2:07:24 --> 2:07:32
glycation that that go through a series of reactions of nalard schiff anamidory

906
2:07:33 --> 2:07:42
reactions that form these particles in the bloodstream whenever you do an example of that is

907
2:07:43 --> 2:07:50
um whenever you a common blood test is hemoglobin a1c

908
2:07:51 --> 2:08:01
too and and then what it does is it measures your average blood sugar across a 24-hour period times

909
2:08:01 --> 2:08:08
90 days well and then you can yeah i can i can elaborate for hours on all of these

910
2:08:09 --> 2:08:16
dynamics but what this is is and i've asked this questions at lectures at medical schools for

911
2:08:16 --> 2:08:25
decades and not one single medical doctor even knows this stuff i don't know any of it and um

912
2:08:25 --> 2:08:37
but um it is the um it literally comes back to and you could describe the the components of the

913
2:08:37 --> 2:08:45
immune system into the red blood cells and by uh by extension the lining of the blood vessels

914
2:08:46 --> 2:08:58
with all of these um uh non-enzymatic um uh glycation so they don't fold correctly right

915
2:08:58 --> 2:09:05
these are these are not natural and they uh they occur at exponential uh rates whenever you

916
2:09:05 --> 2:09:12
whenever your blood sugar gets above x that's the reason that it's related to diabetes

917
2:09:13 --> 2:09:22
and more specifically to type 2 diabetes and and then back to uh the the deal that you know from

918
2:09:22 --> 2:09:33
sunday when the uh the question was asked um the inverse engine about the uh uh saturated fat

919
2:09:33 --> 2:09:40
causing cardiovascular disease and the and the conclusion of that was no it's hyperinsulinia

920
2:09:40 --> 2:09:45
that doesn't have anything to do with saturated fats or cholesterol that it's hyperinsulinia

921
2:09:45 --> 2:09:51
well we're just that's what we're discussing right here so the hyperinsulinia then is coating

922
2:09:52 --> 2:10:01
is causing the formation of these compounds then and then it floats around and it coats all of the

923
2:10:01 --> 2:10:08
immune cells that's the reason that people with diabetes become and hyperinsulinia become

924
2:10:08 --> 2:10:16
immunocompromised you know you have a non-healing diabetic ulcer you have a scratch on your leg and

925
2:10:16 --> 2:10:23
it doesn't heal because it because the immune system is goofed up with stuff and it can't

926
2:10:23 --> 2:10:31
function well at the same time oxygen can't diffuse directly into the capillary beds

927
2:10:31 --> 2:10:38
cannot diffuse directly into the tissues because these become mechanical blockages that's really

928
2:10:38 --> 2:10:48
analogous to varnish like a polyurethane varnish because it becomes a multifractal that is uh you

929
2:10:48 --> 2:10:54
know that that becomes interlocked with uh polymeric cross-linking and at the end stage

930
2:10:54 --> 2:11:03
of these reactions well you can't get through it anymore the oxygen simply can't diffuse into the

931
2:11:03 --> 2:11:11
tissues so you end up with systemic hypoxia lack of oxygen system-wide including in the brain you

932
2:11:11 --> 2:11:20
have systemic hypoxia i use hyperbaric oxygen therapy as a fundamental tool

933
2:11:21 --> 2:11:29
simply driving the oxygen through all the mechanical blockages to get it where it

934
2:11:29 --> 2:11:35
belongs to get it to where it needs to be by the establishment of the diffusion gradient

935
2:11:35 --> 2:11:46
and so that's that's a simplistic explanation i'm done but um how much of it is in the actual ramp

936
2:11:46 --> 2:11:52
up and ramp down of the pressure like how long do you keep people at the high pressure i'm imagining

937
2:11:52 --> 2:11:58
the gradient is there as you accelerate to the high pressure or come out of it well that is

938
2:11:59 --> 2:12:07
well-defined physics under the u.s navy guide u.s navy guide tables is what we use

939
2:12:08 --> 2:12:17
and so the and so therefore you have two two three different variables within that equation

940
2:12:18 --> 2:12:27
one is the the the actual pressure right and two is the so you got the barometric pressure you got

941
2:12:27 --> 2:12:35
the the partial pressure of the gas and then you have the duration those are your three primary

942
2:12:35 --> 2:12:48
things right but then the the reason for for this is because then if you're breathing nitrogen

943
2:12:48 --> 2:12:54
inhaling nitrogen well then you have retained nitrogen and you can have nitrogen narcosis

944
2:12:54 --> 2:13:02
at too high a pressure and you can have the bends you know decompression dive decompression

945
2:13:02 --> 2:13:12
illness if the if you decompress too rapidly after being at depth and then you have the

946
2:13:12 --> 2:13:20
nitrogen is bubbling out of the bloodstream and it forms large bubbles and and and and

947
2:13:20 --> 2:13:28
goes up in the in certain joints and such and causes intense pain and and a lot of problems

948
2:13:28 --> 2:13:36
and then on the other hand you can have central nervous system toxicity from from having too much

949
2:13:36 --> 2:13:46
oxygen there and or you can have repetitive oxidative stress because the bear in mind that

950
2:13:46 --> 2:13:52
these are oxidative reactions they're not antioxidants you got two different things

951
2:13:52 --> 2:14:01
in chemistry is reduction in oxidation right these are oxidation and and but the chemistry

952
2:14:01 --> 2:14:10
gets very involved in this too and i mean it actually comes back to the same level of

953
2:14:10 --> 2:14:19
regulating within very very narrow parameters the ph of your blood and which is you know all of these

954
2:14:19 --> 2:14:27
chemistries and the regulation methodologies within the human body is just extraordinary

955
2:14:28 --> 2:14:34
and and it all comes back to ph and it comes back to energy flows again all right tom we're

956
2:14:34 --> 2:14:38
going to move on thank you meryl we've got carladean then daria and then steven we'll finish with one

957
2:14:38 --> 2:14:45
of your last questions carladean thanks tom um i was thank you so much charles i

958
2:14:46 --> 2:14:54
i'm a physician uh and i just discovered hyperbaric uh here in our area just within the last

959
2:14:54 --> 2:14:59
few months actually um because certainly in medical school they don't even mention the word

960
2:15:00 --> 2:15:08
uh and where and uh and carladean um oh where are you located right in the middle of the

961
2:15:08 --> 2:15:18
united states kansas city missouri ah okay and um okay i'm sorry for interrupting no no no

962
2:15:18 --> 2:15:28
what else did you want to say i just go ahead and your question my question is this uh do you use

963
2:15:28 --> 2:15:35
different asthmat theory uh asthma asthmapheric pressures uh for different types of clinical

964
2:15:36 --> 2:15:43
presentations in other words do you if you have a pulmonary fibrosis do you have the same use the

965
2:15:43 --> 2:15:51
same atmosphere in your hyperbaric that you do maybe with a neurological issue thank you for

966
2:15:51 --> 2:16:00
asking that question because uh medical doctors are notorious for going out and buying a chamber

967
2:16:00 --> 2:16:07
and throwing everybody in the chamber and doing exactly it it's putting one pair of the same pair

968
2:16:07 --> 2:16:18
of spandex uh pants on a 100 pound person or a 300 pound person right one size does not fit all

969
2:16:18 --> 2:16:23
and um that's not a very pretty picture that's not a very pretty picture

970
2:16:26 --> 2:16:33
and uh well one of the things that we learned uh back uh you know i learned as many many decades

971
2:16:33 --> 2:16:42
ago um the the philosophy was more is better well i started out as a pharmacological chemist and of

972
2:16:42 --> 2:16:48
course you got area under the pharmacological curve on everything right and you know it's the

973
2:16:48 --> 2:16:56
it's the principle of hormesis you know applies to all pharmacotherapy right what what speciality do

974
2:16:56 --> 2:17:07
you do i'm in family practice and i did a sub specialty in diabetes and so i've seen diabetes

975
2:17:08 --> 2:17:16
diabetics oh oh okay okay well then you know exactly what i was referring to then and um and

976
2:17:16 --> 2:17:28
they um so there was the you know that philosophy of more is better is untrue and uh and a classic

977
2:17:28 --> 2:17:34
case of more is better is um in methylene blue methylene blue it's been uh it's now

978
2:17:35 --> 2:17:42
become a thing right we started using methylene blue back i was in i don't know i started using

979
2:17:42 --> 2:17:50
it for ick out in my aquarium when i was eight years old and so it's been around for a long long

980
2:17:51 --> 2:18:00
time 150 years now it's become the rage and i'm seeing so much disinformation and so many people

981
2:18:00 --> 2:18:10
are being sickened by it like with uh serotonin uh toxicity because it is uh a uh essentially the

982
2:18:10 --> 2:18:16
same pharmacology as the selective serotonin reuptake and either and uh which is one of the

983
2:18:16 --> 2:18:26
reasons it makes you feel good right and um they um but it has the the highest or medic curve of

984
2:18:26 --> 2:18:35
any chemical i've ever seen before so and and of course the definition for the non-doctors here is

985
2:18:35 --> 2:18:44
the um the definition of hormesis is that a chemical reaction the pharmacological um reaction

986
2:18:45 --> 2:18:53
is that you have three different zones from an uh from a concentration of a chemical exposure

987
2:18:54 --> 2:19:02
zone one has no apparent effect zone two has an effect and zone three has the opposite effect of

988
2:19:02 --> 2:19:13
zone two so at specific doses you will have one effect like uh uh at like with methylene blue at

989
2:19:13 --> 2:19:23
like 0.5 grams per kilogram body weight you'll have a strong reducing the reduction of action

990
2:19:23 --> 2:19:30
and then whenever you go to zone three whenever you get up to you know it's like two milligrams

991
2:19:30 --> 2:19:41
per i mean yeah at two milligrams per 0.5 versus uh two well then you it becomes a very very strong

992
2:19:42 --> 2:19:51
oxidant and uh you know vitamin c uh works exactly the same way as discovered by linus pauling years

993
2:19:51 --> 2:19:59
ago and and so hyperbaric oxygen therapy is work it is exactly the same thing because you're having

994
2:19:59 --> 2:20:07
pharmacological doses here so whenever you and and let me give you two examples that

995
2:20:07 --> 2:20:19
answer your question succinctly in order to break the uh the irreversible covalent bonds of of uh

996
2:20:20 --> 2:20:28
carbon monoxide poisoning bear in mind that carbon monoxide is oxidative so you're making an

997
2:20:28 --> 2:20:38
oxidative reaction and binding the hemoglobin in with you know um and and this

998
2:20:40 --> 2:20:49
and it converts in an oxidized state it converts hemoglobin to methemoglobin methemoglobin can't

999
2:20:49 --> 2:20:56
transport oxygen efficiently which is the reason that people die of hypoxia right from carbon

1000
2:20:56 --> 2:21:04
monoxide poisoning in order to break those irreversible covalent bonds i can throw somebody

1001
2:21:04 --> 2:21:15
in the hyperbaric chamber at 3.0 at a and 100 02 and break those bonds well um and so it works

1002
2:21:15 --> 2:21:22
it is the frontline treatment for carbon monoxide poisoning less than one percent of carbon monoxide

1003
2:21:23 --> 2:21:31
poisoning patients receive the of the the proper hyperbaric oxygen therapy because it's

1004
2:21:31 --> 2:21:38
really not even a lot of um of um hyperbaric a lot of doctors around that have 3.0 at a chambers

1005
2:21:39 --> 2:21:47
right because it requires 3.0 at a dose which is different doses different than pressure and um and

1006
2:21:47 --> 2:21:55
so then back to your question about neurological issues well whenever we started doing the studies

1007
2:21:55 --> 2:22:01
back decades ago well we and this is for the military it's where we were doing the studies

1008
2:22:01 --> 2:22:09
and we found out that whenever we got down to 1.55 at a was where we had the uh in 100

1009
2:22:09 --> 2:22:18
percent or two is where we had the most profound effects for neurological regeneration but then

1010
2:22:18 --> 2:22:26
what i did was in 2006 i you know i was thinking through the whole thing that we were discussing

1011
2:22:26 --> 2:22:34
earlier today about you know epigenetic regulation of gene expression and and so you know calculating

1012
2:22:34 --> 2:22:41
the in the enzymatic reactions and so i invented a technology that is really

1013
2:22:42 --> 2:22:48
it's the next stage of technological evolution beyond hyperbaric oxygen therapy that works

1014
2:22:48 --> 2:23:00
extraordinarily effectively for neuro regeneration and physiologically it's almost opposite from

1015
2:23:00 --> 2:23:06
hyperbaric oxygen therapy so do you treat just about anything in your practice that i do

1016
2:23:08 --> 2:23:17
excuse me do you practice and do you have a clinical application for hyperbaric for patients

1017
2:23:17 --> 2:23:25
in the words as you said one size never fits all they're all every one of them so do you use it for

1018
2:23:26 --> 2:23:31
Alzheimer's do you use it for Parkinson's do you have to be used for lung do you use it

1019
2:23:32 --> 2:23:41
okay so so you have a clinical application for the hyperbaric therapy yes and we also have just a

1020
2:23:41 --> 2:23:51
general wellness application but the different things general wellness you know you know running

1021
2:23:51 --> 2:24:00
in about um four p four psi gauge about one dot three at a and it works very effectively just as

1022
2:24:00 --> 2:24:09
a general wellness um does it work at uh effectively for like in that case of carbon monoxide poisoning

1023
2:24:09 --> 2:24:18
no it doesn't um does it work for Alzheimer's not nearly as effectively as using the correct dose

1024
2:24:18 --> 2:24:28
um but the the thing there is i was saying uh dr graves is that we don't

1025
2:24:31 --> 2:24:40
it's nothing but a tool to me it's a to me it's a tool but a fundamental tool and it's like building

1026
2:24:40 --> 2:24:47
a house in order to drive the first nail and when you're trying to build a house you got to have a

1027
2:24:47 --> 2:24:53
hammer but just because you have a hammer doesn't mean you can build a house you have to have all of

1028
2:24:53 --> 2:25:01
the other stuff how do you think that it is it works on uh fibrosis uh pulmonary fibrosis which

1029
2:25:01 --> 2:25:09
pulmonary fibrosis um it it works extremely effectively with pulmonary fibrosis especially

1030
2:25:10 --> 2:25:21
when combined with the correct nutrients does it help with does it i'm consulting on a for a

1031
2:25:21 --> 2:25:29
an internist now at a major hospital who has pulmonary fibrosis induced by

1032
2:25:29 --> 2:25:36
radiotherapy for breast cancer right um okay i had another question and now i can't remember

1033
2:25:36 --> 2:25:42
what it was and i i consult for i consult for medical doctors that's what i do mainly good i

1034
2:25:42 --> 2:25:52
will ask carladean carladean get into it we've got daria and um i you know i just want to say i will

1035
2:25:52 --> 2:25:59
ask steven for your contact then doctor thank you that's all i was going to say yeah that's that's

1036
2:25:59 --> 2:26:04
well worth doing and meryl well beautifully explained now we've got daria and then we'll

1037
2:26:04 --> 2:26:12
come back to steven and we'll finish thank you carladean hello dr holly so good to see you again

1038
2:26:12 --> 2:26:19
uh it's always fascinating hey how are you great uh happy to have a chance to chat i had i was

1039
2:26:19 --> 2:26:24
out running errands so gave me some time to think about what to ask you about i was intrigued by

1040
2:26:24 --> 2:26:33
your uh bringing up the point about cancer and the thought the question i had was a lot of uh

1041
2:26:33 --> 2:26:40
theories are going around now that cancer is related to parasites and i was trying to wrap my

1042
2:26:40 --> 2:26:45
head around you know are parasites cancer or is cancer parasites you know doing that inverse

1043
2:26:45 --> 2:26:53
hypothesis idea but it seems to me both of those are a uh end result those those overwhelming

1044
2:26:53 --> 2:27:01
infections or cancers appear to be an end result of a failure of the immune system controls and

1045
2:27:03 --> 2:27:08
when one looks at all these different variables that you were talking about i've had this idea

1046
2:27:08 --> 2:27:14
that uh or sense i have a sense that we know there's a gut immune system connection we know

1047
2:27:14 --> 2:27:21
there's a brain yeah and we know there's a brain immune system connection absolutely and we know

1048
2:27:21 --> 2:27:28
there's a brain gut absolutely that's so with the autonomic nervous system and what's amazing

1049
2:27:28 --> 2:27:35
about that is you can't really wander from the brain without also looking at the mind

1050
2:27:35 --> 2:27:39
and that means that things like post-traumatic stress disorder appear i mean just again this

1051
2:27:39 --> 2:27:47
is the way my logic was taking me to the ear bones connected to the toe bone absolutely

1052
2:27:47 --> 2:27:54
everything's connected so knowing that uh that there there's this axis and how medicine has

1053
2:27:54 --> 2:28:00
gotten so compartmentalized that people stop seeing they have all these blinders on to see

1054
2:28:00 --> 2:28:06
how things connect and it's just amazing when you put them all together you see things like

1055
2:28:06 --> 2:28:12
hyperbaric oxygen you know what i used beamer is is what i promote and how synergistic they are

1056
2:28:12 --> 2:28:17
because they're both helping with oxygenation and blood flow and then the body's remarkable

1057
2:28:17 --> 2:28:24
miraculous capacity to repair itself can step in and it has all the optimum tools it needs to do

1058
2:28:24 --> 2:28:33
that once you add in the nutritional factor and so what i was wondering was what is your thought

1059
2:28:33 --> 2:28:37
about this you know my main question was a cancer parasite but i just want to tell you i was really

1060
2:28:37 --> 2:28:41
excited about all those connections that you were making and how i've been looking at that too

1061
2:28:41 --> 2:28:46
and how that could affect spiritual so steven i got a bone to pick with you about that guy's quote

1062
2:28:46 --> 2:28:57
later hey um yeah you can contact me anytime feel free any of any of y'all feel free to contact me

1063
2:28:58 --> 2:29:05
and i'm always interested in having a an intelligent conversation um yeah i've been

1064
2:29:05 --> 2:29:10
blessed with having some real smart people let me hang out with them so i kind of like try to

1065
2:29:10 --> 2:29:20
you know osmose this and um but uh your um uh question was about parasites and cancer the

1066
2:29:20 --> 2:29:28
link between them and there's a lot of uh comment about that of late um and it has been

1067
2:29:28 --> 2:29:34
you know for the past 50 odd years but my rhetorical question comes back to

1068
2:29:35 --> 2:29:37
what is the definition of a parasite

1069
2:29:37 --> 2:29:44
yes and we know a thimbleful diary remember we know a thimbleful that's the whole point we know

1070
2:29:44 --> 2:29:51
so little um thomas aquinas wrote he wrote this ginormous multi-thousand tome called theologica

1071
2:29:51 --> 2:29:56
it's like in five volumes and at the end of he goes it was his life's work and i think he goes

1072
2:29:57 --> 2:30:02
uh all i know is that all we know is just what i've everything i've written over the course of my life

1073
2:30:02 --> 2:30:08
everything i've written over the course of my life will be as dust in other words it's

1074
2:30:09 --> 2:30:14
insignificant and that's how he kind of wraps up all of his theses it doesn't really impact whether

1075
2:30:14 --> 2:30:20
the sun comes up tomorrow absolutely as long as we can still remember a little bit and try to build

1076
2:30:20 --> 2:30:28
on it but i do ask the these rhetorical questions though when uh ends though yes i can tell you that

1077
2:30:28 --> 2:30:36
there is a definitive link between parasites and cancer but my question comes back to when someone

1078
2:30:36 --> 2:30:46
says parasites and parasites cause cancer my question comes back to what is your perception

1079
2:30:46 --> 2:30:56
of the definition of parasites because it's an amorphous thing you know uh like we were talking

1080
2:30:56 --> 2:31:06
about um earlier about worms you know historically worms are the um are parasites you know and this

1081
2:31:06 --> 2:31:13
is all of the helminths um you know combined and there's a gazillion different types of of helminths

1082
2:31:13 --> 2:31:21
and um and then you can add into that uh conversation about why the ant helminthics

1083
2:31:22 --> 2:31:30
like um uh you know like ivermectin and um and mebendazole and finbendazole and albendazole and

1084
2:31:31 --> 2:31:40
you know why they work highly effectively for cancers and um and then there is this

1085
2:31:41 --> 2:31:46
conversation that says oh well the reason it works is because it's killing the parasites

1086
2:31:46 --> 2:31:53
and that's what's killing the cancer cells and i'm going okay well that sounds really interesting

1087
2:31:53 --> 2:32:02
except what you're doing is you're claiming then for this you're thinking that uh that cancers are

1088
2:32:02 --> 2:32:11
caused by a worm right that one thing of helminths becomes the definition of parasites um when my uh

1089
2:32:12 --> 2:32:19
my son was in uh i was helping him with a science paper when he was in like ninth grade

1090
2:32:19 --> 2:32:23
and and he's up there and i asked him this question when he made the comment

1091
2:32:24 --> 2:32:29
and and he was writing about fungi and he said well fungi is a parasite and i go where did you

1092
2:32:29 --> 2:32:36
read that and he goes well yeah but it is and i go where did you come up with that and he said

1093
2:32:36 --> 2:32:42
fungis are not alive they don't have true roots they're not a plant they're not alive

1094
2:32:43 --> 2:32:50
unless they're on some organism from which they can derive nutrients therefore they fit the

1095
2:32:50 --> 2:32:59
definition of a parasite and i go perfect you think you're doing the only thing that i ask of you

1096
2:32:59 --> 2:33:08
uh since you thought think and uh and so that was you know that was a profound comment so

1097
2:33:09 --> 2:33:16
fungi becomes a parasite so we uh but that's not a helminth it's not a worm

1098
2:33:17 --> 2:33:25
liver flukes are known to cause hepatocellular carcinoma but the liver flukes itself don't cause

1099
2:33:25 --> 2:33:32
the hepatocellular carcinoma the liver flukes make cysts then they burrow into the

1100
2:33:32 --> 2:33:39
the liver flu burrows into the liver they form a cyst and then that cyst will remain dormant for

1101
2:33:39 --> 2:33:47
20 25 years until suddenly it gets a signal to wake up by some whatever the signaling mechanism

1102
2:33:47 --> 2:33:56
is and in order for it to merge from the cyst form into a larval form it secretes an enzyme

1103
2:33:56 --> 2:34:06
the enzyme dissolves the cyst so that the larval form of the of the fluke which is a flatworm

1104
2:34:06 --> 2:34:17
right can come out and ostensibly it's not the worm that causes the the the liver cancer

1105
2:34:17 --> 2:34:24
it is actually an enzymatic reaction you know from that you know you can see that it is a

1106
2:34:24 --> 2:34:31
what it'd be technically referred to it'd be a dna adduct and you know and a lot of this is

1107
2:34:31 --> 2:34:39
substitutions in the genetic sequences and replication and and so you have these

1108
2:34:39 --> 2:34:51
uh substitutions like of g and t and and then it it initiates this liver cancer a specific form of

1109
2:34:52 --> 2:35:02
of liver cancer and so then you go okay well wait a minute um how does the um how does if

1110
2:35:03 --> 2:35:09
the uh the ivermectin or uh fendendazole if it's killing the worm

1111
2:35:12 --> 2:35:20
how does that translate into stopping the liver cancer killing the liver cancer cells and the

1112
2:35:20 --> 2:35:27
liver cancer stem cells which are two totally different things you really got three different

1113
2:35:27 --> 2:35:34
types of these cells there you got the cancer cells you got the circulating cancer cells that

1114
2:35:34 --> 2:35:44
travel to distal sites which are called metastasis and then you have the cancer stem cells which and

1115
2:35:44 --> 2:35:53
then you have you can see in my writings where i uh i you know expound the bone and the tumor

1116
2:35:53 --> 2:35:58
microenvironment which are you know a lot of these are hormonal secreting

1117
2:36:00 --> 2:36:07
microenvironments that you were you were also talking somewhere in in in that i heard about

1118
2:36:07 --> 2:36:15
the suppression of the immune system yeah well what you'll find is is that the uh the t cells

1119
2:36:15 --> 2:36:21
especially t cells will be there and they're trying to come in and kill the cancer cells

1120
2:36:22 --> 2:36:29
and in the tumor microenvironment they're secreting these uh chemokines that actually

1121
2:36:29 --> 2:36:37
go out and have a parlance with the uh with the with the immunological t cells and they go

1122
2:36:37 --> 2:36:44
hey you know let's make a deal and say well why don't you come over and um and join us

1123
2:36:45 --> 2:36:52
in supporting the cancer because the cancer is really the good guy and what you're in

1124
2:36:53 --> 2:36:58
and you're really not doing the work that you should do you need to come over and join us

1125
2:36:59 --> 2:37:06
and so and it's and it would be referred to as recruitment and so you have these

1126
2:37:06 --> 2:37:16
um these uh cancers of the cells then are act in the tumor microenvironment these chemokines in the

1127
2:37:16 --> 2:37:21
in and you know you can call them secretomes and you have a whole bunch of different

1128
2:37:22 --> 2:37:31
chemicals that are in there that are actually recruiting the the the immunological cells to

1129
2:37:31 --> 2:37:40
become immunosuppressant cells and that's where the real problem is and and whenever you go into

1130
2:37:40 --> 2:37:48
and you got two different forms of cancer that you'll see dr graves you'll see this um one is

1131
2:37:48 --> 2:37:56
called a hot tumor the other is a cold tumor right the hot tumors are are in that phase

1132
2:37:56 --> 2:38:03
where they're growing and expanding and then doing this and a cold tumor is where they've

1133
2:38:03 --> 2:38:11
in that tumor microenvironment they've recruited the immune system then to come over and to become

1134
2:38:11 --> 2:38:18
immunosuppressive so it's not a malfunction and you know from the perception it's not really a

1135
2:38:19 --> 2:38:28
malfunction of the immune system it's actually a recruitment of the immune system to become

1136
2:38:28 --> 2:38:35
immunosuppressive and then to make the other components of the immune system immunosuppressive

1137
2:38:36 --> 2:38:43
and you could and when i started this uh decades ago i could really see

1138
2:38:43 --> 2:38:49
you know the the immune system involvement in here and say okay you know you can see the

1139
2:38:49 --> 2:38:57
all the the direct association with you know immunosuppression and immune system yeah a

1140
2:38:57 --> 2:39:03
person who is taking steroids uh you know anabolic uh catabolic steroids for instance

1141
2:39:04 --> 2:39:11
you're taking prednisone or something like that or uh you know you're immunocompromised

1142
2:39:12 --> 2:39:18
so if you're type 2 diabetic you're immunocompromised and you know you can go down and

1143
2:39:18 --> 2:39:25
you can see how the vast majority of these cases of cancer from this context are actually

1144
2:39:25 --> 2:39:33
iatrogenic because because these people are taking drugs that suppress the immune system

1145
2:39:33 --> 2:39:34
immune system

1146
2:39:38 --> 2:39:42
thank you thank you yeah i'll send you an email does that answer your question

1147
2:39:43 --> 2:39:48
oh yeah pretty much does because again like i said my you know if you're looking at root causes

1148
2:39:48 --> 2:39:53
you've got these two systems or these two ailments if you want to call them that one

1149
2:39:55 --> 2:40:01
theoretically is infectious and the other is they're both opportunistic so there's clearly

1150
2:40:01 --> 2:40:07
some kind of derangement in the immune system leading to both and for some reason drugs like

1151
2:40:08 --> 2:40:15
ivermectin you know they're more than just i think the anti uh infectious they have more than

1152
2:40:15 --> 2:40:20
anti-infectious properties and it may have something to do chemically with how it's

1153
2:40:21 --> 2:40:27
turns the immune system back into something that's going to kill but they are actually

1154
2:40:27 --> 2:40:33
directly killing these stem cells as well yeah that's that's the amazing thing and there's

1155
2:40:33 --> 2:40:37
other compounds too i put together a whole list of anti-cancer options for people including

1156
2:40:37 --> 2:40:42
thymolquinone with black seed oil i'm not going to ramble on about it now i'll send you an email

1157
2:40:42 --> 2:40:48
with that little list i have my background's in pharmacy before i became a neurosurgeon

1158
2:40:48 --> 2:40:51
before i retired from that and now i'm a beamer distributor

1159
2:40:52 --> 2:41:01
hey i was one of the trial subjects on the beamer in the u.s. by the way wonderful yeah that was back

1160
2:41:02 --> 2:41:09
2006 or seven or something like that yeah that's when the first big improvement came with the

1161
2:41:09 --> 2:41:15
research that dr clopp was doing with microcirculation and it's they've maintained that

1162
2:41:16 --> 2:41:22
level of technology and just modified the device a little bit with better coils you know as

1163
2:41:22 --> 2:41:29
technology got better it's fantastic well um the um but no i really appreciate that that line of

1164
2:41:29 --> 2:41:37
questioning but you can you can see this and you can really see you know the iatrogenic

1165
2:41:37 --> 2:41:48
implications here and absolutely yeah and and it and it comes back to you know i started writing

1166
2:41:48 --> 2:41:56
in the early 70s about how cancer is a modern man-made disease and and so that becomes all of

1167
2:41:56 --> 2:42:03
this other things that well no no no um you know people 30 that you know the pharaohs had cancer

1168
2:42:03 --> 2:42:12
and go okay well so i started studying historical cancers well they were a very very real thing in

1169
2:42:12 --> 2:42:21
certain parts of the world had high rates of cancer like southeast asia where they had uh the

1170
2:42:21 --> 2:42:28
water was contaminated with liver flukes so exactly as we were discussing there and and you could find

1171
2:42:28 --> 2:42:37
those same type of things in various parts of the world like uh they had a deal in the balkans

1172
2:42:38 --> 2:42:48
was another one of the hot spots and it was caused by um this um man this is really interesting it's

1173
2:42:48 --> 2:42:58
uh they called it balkans balkans nephrotic syndrome or something to that effect has been

1174
2:42:58 --> 2:43:10
decades ago and um and and so you have high rates of kidney cancer and and and kidney failure

1175
2:43:10 --> 2:43:17
in the balkans and it turns out that it's a uh a some plants that produce a chemical called

1176
2:43:17 --> 2:43:29
aerosolic acid and it grows in the uh in the wetter areas in the wheat fields and then all the seeds

1177
2:43:29 --> 2:43:39
and the roots of the plants uh secrete the aerosolic acid and then even if you don't get any of the plant

1178
2:43:39 --> 2:43:47
mixed in with the harvested wheat you still are picking it up when you plant wheat in that uh in

1179
2:43:47 --> 2:43:54
that ground and it's and then the wheat is contaminated with aerosolic acid and will cause

1180
2:43:54 --> 2:44:04
this nephrotic syndrome and nephrotic cancer and and so and it's a very very specific type of kidney

1181
2:44:04 --> 2:44:12
cancer and you know and when you start looking at so many of these you know modern cancers um

1182
2:44:13 --> 2:44:23
they're very highly specific like with the case of um you know a specific type of leukemia

1183
2:44:23 --> 2:44:32
that's directly related to specific um polysaccharide aromatic hydrocarbons like benzene

1184
2:44:33 --> 2:44:40
specific types of cancer that comes from exposure to um you know these ethylene compounds and such

1185
2:44:40 --> 2:44:50
you know and so yeah it's amazing in 1980 we had a pharmacology class this is real quick uh and it

1186
2:44:50 --> 2:44:55
was on the drugs that are used to treat the complications caused by other drugs and i wrote

1187
2:44:55 --> 2:45:02
in my uh i wrote in my lecture notes i was sitting there going oh iatrogenesis and perfecta

1188
2:45:07 --> 2:45:11
i really need to write a sub stack up on this even though now it's like 50 years later because

1189
2:45:11 --> 2:45:16
it i was laughing to myself and i'm such a nerd i nobody around me knew what i what was making

1190
2:45:16 --> 2:45:23
me giggle it was the irony of us having to have an entire college class on drugs that are used to

1191
2:45:24 --> 2:45:28
treat the complications of other drugs for example when somebody's getting too much prednisone they're

1192
2:45:28 --> 2:45:33
going to get an ulcer so they're going to need an anti-ulcer drug that's just one example and it just

1193
2:45:33 --> 2:45:37
snowballs from there and then the anti-ulcer drug will cause other complications so they need a drug

1194
2:45:37 --> 2:45:46
to treat that is like absolutely oh yeah and then back to your neuro um background you look at what

1195
2:45:46 --> 2:45:53
happens from the b12 deficiencies caused by them and then you end up with subacute combined

1196
2:45:53 --> 2:46:05
degeneration yep with this final code yeah it is very very disease i dare say that 90 percent of

1197
2:46:05 --> 2:46:11
every person in the united states over 50 years of age is vitamin b12 deficient

1198
2:46:11 --> 2:46:17
so for me i take like 5 000 units a day or something micrograms a day or something like that

1199
2:46:17 --> 2:46:26
i'm yeah i do get my doc will check those levels so i know what form oh yeah which form what b12

1200
2:46:26 --> 2:46:35
cyanocobalamin uh yeah not methyl cyan is a synthetic by the way um there's well is it

1201
2:46:35 --> 2:46:43
um there's well is it the one oh no yeah i'm getting b12 and no it's methylcobalamin is what

1202
2:46:43 --> 2:46:49
i'm talking methyl okay yeah i was getting d3 d2 mixed up with b12 don't ask me why that happens

1203
2:46:49 --> 2:46:57
three naturally occurring forms cyanocobalamin is the stable form yeah but it's a synthetic and

1204
2:46:57 --> 2:47:06
it takes three steps in order to convert into being usable but um they got two three forms

1205
2:47:06 --> 2:47:14
that are in food and i'm real wrapped up in orthomolecular chemistry and so the um the in

1206
2:47:14 --> 2:47:23
foods you have methylcobalamin and enosilcobalamin which are both coenzymes they're not b12 they're

1207
2:47:23 --> 2:47:30
coenzymes of b12 and initiate different reaction cycles that are parallel to one another

1208
2:47:30 --> 2:47:41
and the only real b12 in food is hydroxocobalamin and um which is really the long-term storage unit

1209
2:47:41 --> 2:47:51
found in liver and um but the methylcobalamin of course is the donor for um in the reduction

1210
2:47:51 --> 2:48:00
cycle of homocysteine and so you know and and you have to have the five methylene tetrahydrofolate

1211
2:48:00 --> 2:48:06
reductase combined with folate you know in order to reduce the homocysteine

1212
2:48:07 --> 2:48:14
yeah it's amazing yeah so daria that wasn't my quote that was a quote of uh he was a pretty

1213
2:48:14 --> 2:48:18
well-known socialist as i understand oh you're talking about virginia wolf's husband

1214
2:48:18 --> 2:48:25
yeah i was just quoting he was talking about the credulity but he was a socialist so well but the

1215
2:48:25 --> 2:48:32
point was just the sentence itself smacks of the pride and arrogance that we've been talking about

1216
2:48:32 --> 2:48:39
on today's presentation that destroy his credibility you know that presumptive yeah but he's talking

1217
2:48:39 --> 2:48:45
about the credulity of human beings but he was married to um virginia wolf so he's probably

1218
2:48:46 --> 2:48:55
fairly bright although not as bright as her but he was better at staying alive um but anyway um so

1219
2:48:55 --> 2:49:04
carladean and uh daria if you want to contact um meryl you can send an email to me and i'll pass it

1220
2:49:04 --> 2:49:11
to him stephen i would like to thank you i'd like to end to him and um so carladean you want to want

1221
2:49:12 --> 2:49:16
to ask a supplementary question i just want i don't want to ask the question i just want to

1222
2:49:16 --> 2:49:24
comment i wanted to uh and dog uh meryl's uh question what a what a parasite is well it's

1223
2:49:24 --> 2:49:35
politics because you see how molly means many and blood sucking and and so um i guess that's the u.s

1224
2:49:35 --> 2:49:46
congress if that's my best definition so thank you and unfortunately that there is no you know

1225
2:49:46 --> 2:49:53
people come out and they make this comment about you know politicized science and all this stuff

1226
2:49:53 --> 2:50:03
there is no such animal you you anytime science is corrupted by anything and anytime you interject

1227
2:50:04 --> 2:50:10
politics on any level or censorship into science is no longer pure science it's

1228
2:50:11 --> 2:50:17
it's been corrupted it's adulterated at that point in time and i don't like it on any level i

1229
2:50:17 --> 2:50:28
studiously avoid it yeah so so i've got a chance now because charles has lost patience i think was

1230
2:50:29 --> 2:50:34
with all of us so um i just wanted to ask you about something you mentioned earlier on you said that

1231
2:50:36 --> 2:50:44
in the uh presentation from tim kelly you know about the um inverse i can't remember what he

1232
2:50:44 --> 2:50:52
called it inverse something um so you mentioned two plus three equals five so i think you and i can

1233
2:50:52 --> 2:51:02
agree on that so if you would feed that into his uh tool you know the inverse whatever it is um

1234
2:51:03 --> 2:51:09
presumably it would try to prove you know the the opposite it'd say that two plus three

1235
2:51:10 --> 2:51:16
it would argue as best it could against two plus three equals five so i was just wondering whether

1236
2:51:16 --> 2:51:21
you might be able to work out mary because you you're fairly bright um oh very bright um

1237
2:51:22 --> 2:51:28
what do you think it would come up with well we could try it out well i i i've been playing with

1238
2:51:28 --> 2:51:36
it i was transfixed by his uh algorithm because it was brilliant and uh but applying that inverse

1239
2:51:36 --> 2:51:47
hypothesis makes okay it let's go back to what you refer to as a scientific method on this

1240
2:51:48 --> 2:51:59
if everything that was said was 100 true and accurate in this case two uh two plus x equals

1241
2:51:59 --> 2:52:09
five and then it would take that algorithm and the inverse hypothesis of it is five minus x has to

1242
2:52:09 --> 2:52:18
equal two right because that's your basic uh euclidean equation and so you come back and you

1243
2:52:18 --> 2:52:28
look at that and ai is examining their answer and you see like they had different deals you know uh

1244
2:52:29 --> 2:52:35
four out of four and ten out of ten and twelve out of twelve and what would he come up with

1245
2:52:37 --> 2:52:42
you had these different number of variables in each one of the sections of the arguments in it

1246
2:52:42 --> 2:52:55
well whenever you look at it like that if they had if if the input was two and if x was was true

1247
2:52:56 --> 2:53:02
and five was the uh the theoretical conclusion a plus b equals c then when you take c

1248
2:53:03 --> 2:53:10
minus a b it has to equal that and it would come back on that argument they'd say

1249
2:53:12 --> 2:53:20
it wouldn't have a 12 out of 12 like it did on the world trade towers it wouldn't have a 12 out of 12

1250
2:53:20 --> 2:53:30
on the inverse hypothesis of saturated fats cause heart disease what it would say is

1251
2:53:31 --> 2:53:39
you know it's a zero out of 12 well would it or would it argue so well against it with its inverse

1252
2:53:40 --> 2:53:49
uh hypothesis what you said it the inverse hypothesis is uh is the best you know uh

1253
2:53:49 --> 2:53:55
detection mechanism of whether or not your your original premise is true or not

1254
2:53:56 --> 2:54:02
yeah so what would it what do you think it was totally true it would show it on the inverse

1255
2:54:02 --> 2:54:10
hypothesis because what the inverse hypothesis is really showing is not only an inverse argument

1256
2:54:10 --> 2:54:19
you see in medical in uh um and charles can uh talk about this in law school what they do is

1257
2:54:19 --> 2:54:26
they give you uh briefs of a court brief and then say okay you're going to be the uh the plaintiff

1258
2:54:26 --> 2:54:32
attorney and you're going to be the uh defense attorney and then after you argue the whole thing

1259
2:54:32 --> 2:54:38
well then the professor takes and it gives the uh the brief to the opposite person and say now you

1260
2:54:38 --> 2:54:45
argue it from the other side right exactly the same set of facts but you're arguing from a

1261
2:54:45 --> 2:54:54
different standpoint that's what this algorithm's doing and that inverse hypothesis it also is what

1262
2:54:54 --> 2:55:02
it's doing is that the end result of it the end result is what it's doing is taking and assigning

1263
2:55:02 --> 2:55:14
a statistical probability of it being true or not true yes but the thing was 12 is but but the ones

1264
2:55:14 --> 2:55:23
that were fed to you know so put aside from numbers arithmetic if you like um it was being fed stuff

1265
2:55:23 --> 2:55:30
and it was coming up with very plausible arguments from our point of view against the

1266
2:55:30 --> 2:55:36
official false narratives that we've been fed but but in this case i don't have a point of view

1267
2:55:36 --> 2:55:45
steven what i have is is logical conclusion from such facts and you know because i'm wrong all day

1268
2:55:45 --> 2:55:55
long i am wrong constantly and and and so therefore that i don't have a point of view

1269
2:55:55 --> 2:56:02
i want to have a logical conclusion that is an uh that is a mathematical conclusion

1270
2:56:03 --> 2:56:10
derived from a set of facts you know that's what i'm trying to say um meryl is that a lot of what

1271
2:56:10 --> 2:56:14
we were discussing the other day was kind of debatable but when it comes to arithmetic

1272
2:56:15 --> 2:56:21
do we think it's debate so you know presumably it would argue that two plus three equals five the

1273
2:56:21 --> 2:56:26
inverse of that would try its best to say well you know think up reasons but what reasons could it

1274
2:56:26 --> 2:56:35
possibly come up with which would wash you know so we so we agreed mostly and that's the point is it

1275
2:56:35 --> 2:56:44
won't it cannot come up with an argument that says a plus b is not equal to c and c minus b is

1276
2:56:44 --> 2:56:50
not equal to a it cannot come up with that argument because that is a mathematical law

1277
2:56:51 --> 2:57:00
yes see there's a lot of difference between and people between a scientific law and an argument

1278
2:57:00 --> 2:57:08
um and and and a or a perception and a theory or a hypothesis people say all the time say well i got

1279
2:57:08 --> 2:57:16
this theory about something no you don't you don't have a theory about nothing you have a hypothetical

1280
2:57:16 --> 2:57:23
conjecture you have a hypothesis you have a guess you have something but it ain't a theory

1281
2:57:24 --> 2:57:31
sure you have the you know the theory of gravity well you know people don't usually float off the

1282
2:57:31 --> 2:57:40
earth it's been tested quite for a number of years the theory in that means that we don't know what

1283
2:57:40 --> 2:57:48
it is just as you have the theory of electromagnetism well we may have a theory of electromagnetism

1284
2:57:49 --> 2:57:56
but that beamer does what it does and you and we're having this international

1285
2:57:57 --> 2:58:07
real time video call right now predicated upon the theory of electromagnetism and the physics

1286
2:58:07 --> 2:58:16
derived out of that uh the you know the theory of electromagnetism these things are very very useful

1287
2:58:16 --> 2:58:22
and usable tools in science just as the illustration we were discussing earlier about

1288
2:58:23 --> 2:58:31
the concord flying at um you know at mach 2.2 and you know and and having it reproducible because

1289
2:58:31 --> 2:58:38
you can have a continuous set of flights never had a crash and you can build more of them

1290
2:58:39 --> 2:58:44
well just like you can build more and more television sets and more and more laptops and

1291
2:58:44 --> 2:58:51
have these conversations that's reproducible there's still a theory it's still all this is

1292
2:58:51 --> 2:59:00
predicated upon a theory and but a theory is not a scientific law and it's not mathematical law

1293
2:59:00 --> 2:59:11
a plus b was developed by euclid back a long time ago and it is the fundamental of euclidean

1294
2:59:11 --> 2:59:21
geometry from which algebras derive and there and as long as you're in base 10

1295
2:59:22 --> 2:59:28
it's going to be that every time yeah no very you can understand the problem with the public

1296
2:59:28 --> 2:59:33
can't you so they see that um you know we can talk on zoom all around the world for example

1297
2:59:34 --> 2:59:44
and we can we could fly on concord in 1969 was the first flight i think um at 2.2 mach at 69 000

1298
2:59:44 --> 2:59:50
feet but we can't do it anymore and but um we couldn't do it and then the motor car you know

1299
2:59:50 --> 2:59:56
he said a couple of weeks ago that he's bringing the concord back in modern um it manufactured in

1300
2:59:56 --> 3:00:04
the u.s i don't know hadn't happened yet but we'll see yeah so what i'm trying to say is that yes so

1301
3:00:04 --> 3:00:12
the public don't seem to be aware and it's a big fraud in a way that you know these successes like

1302
3:00:12 --> 3:00:20
the motor car the like jet planes you know concord it's very impressive and even speaking on you know

1303
3:00:20 --> 3:00:27
around the world on zoom is pretty impressive but but the problem is that people then encourage

1304
3:00:27 --> 3:00:32
to think that science is never wrong and of course it's when it comes to biology in particular

1305
3:00:32 --> 3:00:40
science is always wrong yeah and i i my son when he first started it's not wrong when it comes to

1306
3:00:40 --> 3:00:47
concord as you've said you know yeah but these come back to political will and uh you just like

1307
3:00:47 --> 3:00:54
the abandonment of the u.s space program well one day abandoned all the the space missions

1308
3:00:55 --> 3:01:04
you know when um in the united states back in the 1960s and 70s everything was about science

1309
3:01:04 --> 3:01:11
everything was about uh physics and chemistry everything yeah this was the george jesson

1310
3:01:11 --> 3:01:17
universe hey man i remember uh when i was in junior high i think it was junior high

1311
3:01:18 --> 3:01:25
might have been high school when the first uh star trek episode came out and we had a rocket club

1312
3:01:25 --> 3:01:32
we were our rocket club went over to this gal's house whose mother made us uh chocolate chip

1313
3:01:32 --> 3:01:41
cookies and and we watched that as a whole group of 30 kids watching the um the first star trek

1314
3:01:42 --> 3:01:49
that's what the u.s was it was george jetson we were going to be living george jesson years with

1315
3:01:49 --> 3:01:54
the flying cars and everything so how have we come now to the narrative that

1316
3:01:54 --> 3:01:59
you know most what you know most of the

1317
3:02:00 --> 3:02:08
earlier was about the socialism aspect of it and they said oh we need to spend money on social

1318
3:02:09 --> 3:02:17
um um some on social issues and of entitlements as opposed to spending it on the space

1319
3:02:18 --> 3:02:26
exploration and so they took the money out of the out of the science realm and put it back into

1320
3:02:26 --> 3:02:31
the social programs but but the narrative now meryl doesn't make sense to me because

1321
3:02:32 --> 3:02:40
um they're asking elon musk you know private individual to actually run this the state the

1322
3:02:40 --> 3:02:49
america's space program and he's his rockets which can't even leave the the atmosphere it seems and

1323
3:02:49 --> 3:02:54
they blow up and then he comes on and says oh well we're learning from every explosion essentially

1324
3:02:54 --> 3:03:00
from every flight and and i'm thinking well hang on me what happened to nasa and oh well apparently

1325
3:03:00 --> 3:03:08
they've lost all the space technology apparently the state of the state of the u.s space technology

1326
3:03:09 --> 3:03:17
is is look at what nasa's doing and look at what elon musk is doing with space x and with the

1327
3:03:17 --> 3:03:24
satellites the satellites are being built by a private corporation they're being deployed on

1328
3:03:24 --> 3:03:27
private rockets and uh and

1329
3:03:31 --> 3:03:43
so how is it that a a private corporation then is actually outperforming nasa well exactly i don't

1330
3:03:43 --> 3:03:49
understand because that's purely political and you're back to the politics again it has nothing to

1331
3:03:49 --> 3:03:55
do with science it has everything to do with politics yeah but elon musk is talking about

1332
3:03:55 --> 3:04:03
going to mars and he never even mentions the the the apparent success of the saturn moon program

1333
3:04:06 --> 3:04:16
i can tell you this elon musk has transformed the world with his satellite programs

1334
3:04:17 --> 3:04:20
and you have you have complete

1335
3:04:23 --> 3:04:28
broadband internet connectivity almost at any point in the entire world now

1336
3:04:28 --> 3:04:38
and that is through a i just set up a deal at a remote ranch in texas about a year ago

1337
3:04:39 --> 3:04:48
hooked up one of uh one of his uh satellites works perfectly out in the middle i mean we're

1338
3:04:48 --> 3:04:58
talking 27 miles from the nearest town and it works perfectly yeah but it so if he's so clever

1339
3:04:58 --> 3:05:05
why can't he send a rocket presumably a rocket intended to take man to moon it can't even escape

1340
3:05:05 --> 3:05:13
the atmosphere without blowing up so i just don't understand he doesn't what is the ratio of of

1341
3:05:13 --> 3:05:24
his successes versus failures and he and he also subscribes to the henry ford uh model of uh of

1342
3:05:24 --> 3:05:34
this deal of the thomas and thomas edison model of it that you know what the public perceives as a

1343
3:05:34 --> 3:05:40
failure to a scientist is not a failure yes but merrily it's actually a learning experience and

1344
3:05:40 --> 3:05:45
so you say okay well this didn't work so i'm going to change it and i'm going to do it differently

1345
3:05:45 --> 3:05:53
that's next time but the the point i'm trying to make is we did all this in the 60s so why are we

1346
3:05:53 --> 3:05:58
revisiting all that stuff and he's actually can't get a rocket to leave the atmosphere

1347
3:05:59 --> 3:06:07
uh successfully without it blowing up i don't understand why he has these rockets that

1348
3:06:07 --> 3:06:15
that leave the atmosphere every month well not the ones going to mars they're not they don't

1349
3:06:15 --> 3:06:22
he hadn't gotten there he's doing he's he is definitely deploying these satellites well yes

1350
3:06:22 --> 3:06:30
maybe but he is deploying the satellites yes but and i can tell you he's deploying the satellites

1351
3:06:30 --> 3:06:41
because one of my uh one of my clients is the the engineer who is the director of the entire

1352
3:06:41 --> 3:06:50
program okay and and he is a client of mine i do engineering work for him and i and then like i

1353
3:06:50 --> 3:06:59
told you i put up i just installed one of the satellite receivers there at this remote ranch

1354
3:06:59 --> 3:07:08
in texas and again oh man it's like 200 um megs of uh megabits of broadband okay so let's put it

1355
3:07:08 --> 3:07:17
this way then merrill um nasa in the 60s and maybe the 70s was if it did occur that's what i'm trying

1356
3:07:17 --> 3:07:22
so was infinitely more impressive than elon musk has been at least to my eyes

1357
3:07:24 --> 3:07:30
it was back then but it's not now so what happens to all the papers then they say they've been

1358
3:07:30 --> 3:07:38
destroyed doesn't it once again it's political they took the money away they took the money away

1359
3:07:39 --> 3:07:46
all the know-how was must have been recorded on papers of course it is well they say they've lost

1360
3:07:46 --> 3:07:54
them how do you lose that well exactly i mean that's non that's nonsense meryl what i'm trying

1361
3:07:54 --> 3:08:00
to say is that a narrative is being put out at the moment which doesn't make sense when it comes to

1362
3:08:00 --> 3:08:09
narratives never make sense all right as we were talking about before what narrative in the uk

1363
3:08:09 --> 3:08:17
makes sense about the domestic problems that are going on in the uk now sure and russia ukraine

1364
3:08:17 --> 3:08:24
for example and they they don't make sense and so when again whenever we were discussing

1365
3:08:25 --> 3:08:35
this algorithm you know um two plus uh x equals five right well whenever you do that and and and

1366
3:08:35 --> 3:08:42
this is subscribing to mathematical laws and whenever you do the inverse algorithm on that

1367
3:08:42 --> 3:08:52
and and it doesn't mathematically check then you know that it is incorrect and you also know that

1368
3:08:52 --> 3:08:58
in real life that what it comes back to the incorrectness is going to be number one it

1369
3:08:58 --> 3:09:07
could be ignorance number two you know it's censorship number three it's a political narrative

1370
3:09:08 --> 3:09:11
and it's going to be one of those three things

1371
3:09:14 --> 3:09:25
yeah anyway um what causes inaccurate so last question um meryl um so i wanted to ask you um

1372
3:09:26 --> 3:09:32
if you feel like answering it so it might be two bigger questions so we were talking earlier on

1373
3:09:32 --> 3:09:39
the phone about um the difference between say louisiana where you are and new york state or

1374
3:09:39 --> 3:09:45
california anywhere in the northeast of the united states and even the north of the united states

1375
3:09:46 --> 3:09:54
and uh california seemed to be lost to me and to you and yet uh life proceeds as normal or did

1376
3:09:54 --> 3:10:01
proceed pretty much as normal in 2020 in louisiana can you explain to people around the world

1377
3:10:01 --> 3:10:09
watching this video not just now but later um what the differences are between the southern united

1378
3:10:09 --> 3:10:19
states and north and particularly northeast and western united states well the south is very very

1379
3:10:20 --> 3:10:31
different um ideologically than the other parts of the u.s um bear in mind that california is a

1380
3:10:31 --> 3:10:39
really interesting state because you can take 85 percent of the land area is the most conservative

1381
3:10:39 --> 3:10:45
areas of the entire u.s this was the land of reagan that's where ronald reagan was from

1382
3:10:45 --> 3:10:55
but you have a you know out of 40 million people there you have half of those live over half of

1383
3:10:55 --> 3:11:02
them live in you know a couple of the big cities on the on the coast they become the tail that

1384
3:11:02 --> 3:11:12
wags the dog and so they you know they dictate you know politics statewide where the vast majority

1385
3:11:12 --> 3:11:19
of the of the state is highly conservative the same thing the same thing in new york state and

1386
3:11:19 --> 3:11:25
new york city of course well and and that and it comes back to what people don't want to really

1387
3:11:25 --> 3:11:34
discuss is rural versus urban they're two completely different different parts of the u.s

1388
3:11:35 --> 3:11:43
and they the you got what is good for new york city and the five boroughs

1389
3:11:45 --> 3:11:55
is not applicable for where i live and when you're at a ranch in texas or you're here at a farm in

1390
3:11:55 --> 3:12:07
louisiana well the the same things that is good for relationships in new york city is not good

1391
3:12:07 --> 3:12:15
for here and vice versa well it you know they have this thing about you know in uk they've had gun

1392
3:12:15 --> 3:12:24
control for a long time in the united states well there's gun control in the form of regulations

1393
3:12:24 --> 3:12:37
and laws but in louisiana and and in texas and in florida and such well you know it's kind of like

1394
3:12:38 --> 3:12:48
it is a legacy here and you know and i mean the majority of people hunt and fish and you know and

1395
3:12:48 --> 3:13:02
that's that's what they do and um and so and the in louisiana there is a you know

1396
3:13:03 --> 3:13:13
they believe in and in texas they believe in civility and i can tell you that

1397
3:13:14 --> 3:13:23
that if you're not if you don't deal in civility you don't get your you don't explain what you mean

1398
3:13:23 --> 3:13:33
by civility um well it's proper manners that saying yes ma'am and no ma'am and opening the door

1399
3:13:33 --> 3:13:41
for uh for the uh for the ladies and standing up at the uh when seated when a lady enters the room

1400
3:13:41 --> 3:13:49
and you know and and it's just and saying thank you and appreciating and you know and saying

1401
3:13:49 --> 3:13:56
grace before you eat whenever you have any community gathering and it's just that's the

1402
3:13:56 --> 3:14:05
way it is here and we don't have nearly as much of the social problems in the rural areas of the

1403
3:14:05 --> 3:14:13
united states and this is across the united states that you have in the cities and when you get into

1404
3:14:13 --> 3:14:22
urban populations and and new orleans has you know just the the crime rate in new orleans is just

1405
3:14:23 --> 3:14:32
abhorrent and it's that way in houston and dallas and chicago and dc and new york and and and and it's

1406
3:14:32 --> 3:14:38
why do you think there's a difference between urban and rural is it and why is there such a

1407
3:14:38 --> 3:14:47
lack of respect for the family in the cities and it is a breakdown more than anything else is a

1408
3:14:47 --> 3:14:59
breakdown in the family unit and it is a breakdown in the nuclear family and um and so you know and

1409
3:14:59 --> 3:15:04
you could describe that more than any other singular factor yeah and how is that a good do

1410
3:15:04 --> 3:15:10
you think that politicians have deliberately undermined families because i do well they do but

1411
3:15:10 --> 3:15:19
it's uh it's not um just politicians it is you know uh certain caucuses of politicians and and

1412
3:15:19 --> 3:15:27
it's certain um you know groups of politicians and it's certain uh groups of people that actually

1413
3:15:28 --> 3:15:34
listen to it and you know there's there's had such a big backlash against the

1414
3:15:35 --> 3:15:42
they you know the progressive movements over the in the united states that that's i think that's

1415
3:15:42 --> 3:15:50
the reason that trump was elected as a as a counter revolution if you will to what has been going on

1416
3:15:51 --> 3:15:59
and um and so the pendulum the pendulum has to swing back and forth in order to reach equilibrium

1417
3:15:59 --> 3:16:07
right so you're saying that people live where most people live is not in a leftist world or

1418
3:16:07 --> 3:16:17
right wing world they really live in in a centrist world and and what people want universally the

1419
3:16:17 --> 3:16:26
what people really want is you know you got your biological necessity food shelter clothing right

1420
3:16:26 --> 3:16:35
and um and and so you have to have those things well i interject in you know clean air and clean

1421
3:16:35 --> 3:16:44
water and clean food and you know and all of those things that go along with it but then you know

1422
3:16:44 --> 3:16:52
you know everybody wants this but it's how do you go about it and how are those things delivered

1423
3:16:53 --> 3:17:03
and you know to the you know to the historical societies here in uh the south and the church is

1424
3:17:03 --> 3:17:10
the uh that's the center of the community and everybody revolves you know all the life revolves

1425
3:17:10 --> 3:17:18
life revolves around the church and that becomes you know i mean whenever you look at church

1426
3:17:18 --> 3:17:28
attendance and belief in god in the rural south man you're probably talking 98 percent

1427
3:17:29 --> 3:17:38
wow and you go back to you know to new york city for instance this it's probably again and and and

1428
3:17:38 --> 3:17:48
if you go to you know to san francisco you'll find that it's arguably dramatically less than that

1429
3:17:49 --> 3:17:56
yeah so um why why do you think they're better so it seems to me that they've been very successful

1430
3:17:56 --> 3:18:04
at undermining uh the culture if you like um you know the the the things that people agreed on the

1431
3:18:04 --> 3:18:10
importance of the family they've been extremely successful but particularly in the cities or

1432
3:18:11 --> 3:18:16
disproportionately why why are you so much in the cities why why do you and who's behind

1433
3:18:16 --> 3:18:24
the undermining well it has to do with education more than anything else and because remember the

1434
3:18:24 --> 3:18:36
hitler youth program well so what you do is you set up um you know these educational systems that

1435
3:18:36 --> 3:18:48
teach the propaganda not teach truth um there uh you know they my mother was a school teacher a

1436
3:18:48 --> 3:18:55
college professor a school teacher a principal in public schools and then in private schools for

1437
3:18:55 --> 3:19:06
65 years and i mean my family just hammered education you are educating and none of that

1438
3:19:06 --> 3:19:16
nonsense none of the new math and you know or any stuff like that it's classics you're going to

1439
3:19:16 --> 3:19:23
study the classics and you're going to learn the classics and you're going to do you know these

1440
3:19:23 --> 3:19:32
fundamentals yeah this is as i tell everybody i am a very very old-fashioned scientist that lives on

1441
3:19:32 --> 3:19:42
the bleeding edge of technology and and i live on the bleeding edge there is nothing you know there

1442
3:19:42 --> 3:19:51
that stands in the way other than imagination and being allowed you know to to be creative

1443
3:19:51 --> 3:20:01
um but you go to again the inner cities and you look at the level of education that you find

1444
3:20:01 --> 3:20:14
amongst the general public and and i can assure you you are not if you take a thousand school

1445
3:20:14 --> 3:20:24
children let's just say 12th grade in public schools in new orleans or chicago or los angeles

1446
3:20:25 --> 3:20:34
or of the five boroughs at a at just the regular public schools and then you actually challenge

1447
3:20:34 --> 3:20:43
them without any of the you know the of minority set asides and dei initiatives or anything like

1448
3:20:43 --> 3:20:50
that just on straightforward scholastic aptitude capability and education

1449
3:20:50 --> 3:20:59
you you would be baffled at how low the performance scores were yeah do you think things

1450
3:20:59 --> 3:21:03
would get better do you think they've got as bad as they're going to get now and then they're going

1451
3:21:03 --> 3:21:09
to get better in in the u.s so what you described so do you think things will get better now do you

1452
3:21:09 --> 3:21:16
think they've got as bad as they're going to get and we can we can only hope that they get better

1453
3:21:16 --> 3:21:24
i am a firm believer in absolute equality you know if you could is the only thing that i like

1454
3:21:24 --> 3:21:33
about the professional sports model is that an nfl team doesn't care who you are what you look

1455
3:21:33 --> 3:21:39
like whether you know your gender preferences they don't care about anything the only thing that they

1456
3:21:40 --> 3:21:45
care about is can you run faster than everybody else can you throw the ball better than anybody

1457
3:21:45 --> 3:21:52
else can you catch the ball better than anybody else that's all they care about so they don't

1458
3:21:52 --> 3:21:57
have any dei initiatives they don't have any minority set asides they don't have any

1459
3:21:58 --> 3:22:05
handicapping of the races they don't have anything about looking at equality of outcome

1460
3:22:05 --> 3:22:12
at equality of outcome which is a handicap in and of itself

1461
3:22:12 --> 3:22:20
handicapping the race what they're doing is they say we don't care about that we only care about

1462
3:22:20 --> 3:22:28
how well you can perform so that we can win a game well i fully subscribe to that philosophy

1463
3:22:28 --> 3:22:33
pretty healthy i don't like i don't like any of the other stuff about it but like the especially

1464
3:22:33 --> 3:22:42
the injuries i don't like any of that i like the fact that it is that it has equality absolute

1465
3:22:42 --> 3:22:49
equality of opportunity and everybody needs to have the equality of opportunity without any of

1466
3:22:49 --> 3:22:56
the intersectionality or any of the other stuff that is politically charged in the equation nothing

1467
3:22:57 --> 3:23:06
so if you can do it do it and if you can't get out of the way and let the people that can do it

1468
3:23:06 --> 3:23:16
do it so meryl just to be clear who do you think's behind the destruction of new york for example

1469
3:23:17 --> 3:23:24
who's behind the destruction of society as a whole of new york in new york state well of

1470
3:23:24 --> 3:23:39
well of any of the deal personally i see it as a you know again it's trying to destroy that entire

1471
3:23:42 --> 3:23:48
you could come back and you could look at it from the standpoint that tolkien used

1472
3:23:49 --> 3:23:58
back whenever he was remember the the the history of tolkien when he was writing and and this was

1473
3:23:58 --> 3:24:04
he was writing to his son who was on the front lines in world war two and so he would write a

1474
3:24:04 --> 3:24:12
chapter a week and he was just coming up with all of this stuff that was so elaborate and it would

1475
3:24:13 --> 3:24:20
it would bog everybody in his son's platoon down for a week reading all of this stuff but look at

1476
3:24:20 --> 3:24:29
the moral interplay that they had in this and and it is that you had good you had the innocent

1477
3:24:30 --> 3:24:38
you had the evil you had the really really evil and then you have the interplay in there

1478
3:24:39 --> 3:24:49
where it is simply when you when you parse everything down steven it was nothing but evil

1479
3:24:49 --> 3:25:00
for the sake of evil nothing else where where they didn't even have anything to gain by it

1480
3:25:01 --> 3:25:08
this was totally destructive for me i don't think it's accidental because 3000 miles away

1481
3:25:08 --> 3:25:14
or almost 3000 miles away in california the same things going on in los angeles absolutely

1482
3:25:15 --> 3:25:22
so i don't think it's accidental so well the thing is that most of this is driven by

1483
3:25:23 --> 3:25:28
you know just as we were discussing earlier avers

1484
3:25:28 --> 3:25:38
right it's an unbridled loss for power control and money and unbridled hubris combined

1485
3:25:39 --> 3:25:47
somebody's getting personal gain out of it so in the hobbits in the hobbits yeah in louisiana

1486
3:25:47 --> 3:25:54
people have got very strong views on things because of the strength so in louisiana for example it's

1487
3:25:54 --> 3:26:00
difficult to assert control in a state like louisiana or alabama or mississippi because

1488
3:26:00 --> 3:26:08
people are still going to church they have a moral code the families have a moral code and they're

1489
3:26:08 --> 3:26:19
not easily swayed well and they and and that's by and large and it and and i'm and we have lots of

1490
3:26:19 --> 3:26:29
social problems here but it's not amongst the you know the conservative christian groups don't have

1491
3:26:29 --> 3:26:38
those problems and they don't they don't allow it and and and they just say okay well y'all can do

1492
3:26:39 --> 3:26:48
whatever you want to do leave us alone yeah and that becomes one of the things let's just say

1493
3:26:49 --> 3:26:59
covid vaccine well you know it in the uh the christian conservative groups and um in the south

1494
3:26:59 --> 3:27:06
they're saying okay guys if you want to live in new york and you want to put in these laws where

1495
3:27:06 --> 3:27:14
you say you can't go to a grocery store and buy groceries unless you take an mrna vaccine

1496
3:27:14 --> 3:27:22
which is non-sterilizing to begin with and so therefore it doesn't even prevent the transmission

1497
3:27:22 --> 3:27:29
of the of illness and say if you want to do that and you want to live under that type of tyranny

1498
3:27:29 --> 3:27:37
you chose to do it but you ain't doing it here because we're not going to abide by it

1499
3:27:37 --> 3:27:43
we're not gonna do it but but then they also go back and say okay well if you want to do it

1500
3:27:43 --> 3:27:52
if you think it's going to help well you can go ahead it's your choice it's your personal choice

1501
3:27:52 --> 3:27:59
but don't tell us we have to do it yeah but they're taking down so the people in louisiana their

1502
3:27:59 --> 3:28:06
country is the usa and in the process of taking down new york and california and all the rest you

1503
3:28:06 --> 3:28:12
know the whole of the northeast as far as i can see they're taking down the usa and the people in

1504
3:28:12 --> 3:28:21
in new york do care about but these are federal policies uh in so much of this was federal policies

1505
3:28:22 --> 3:28:32
and um and the federal agencies hey ronald reagan made a quip back when he was president he said

1506
3:28:34 --> 3:28:41
the nine scariest words in the english language is we're from the government and we're here to help

1507
3:28:42 --> 3:28:51
and and those were true words because the vast majority of these problems is government mandates

1508
3:28:52 --> 3:29:04
now at the same time you know if you have these federal agencies were and should be very very

1509
3:29:05 --> 3:29:14
very good things the cdc should be a very good thing it's very bad and they well but they've

1510
3:29:14 --> 3:29:22
got politics in the way yeah you know the um the um the fda should be a very good thing

1511
3:29:23 --> 3:29:31
but they got corrupted along the way because they're you know again bauden paid for and uh

1512
3:29:31 --> 3:29:38
and so they have a lot of things that are are not for the betterment of society they're

1513
3:29:38 --> 3:29:44
for the betterment of the cash flow of the individuals that are that are in power of

1514
3:29:44 --> 3:29:55
these institutions the institutions are not evil the people that corrupt people in in the institutions

1515
3:29:55 --> 3:30:05
uh who are evil is where the evil lies not the institution and um and you know i remember when

1516
3:30:05 --> 3:30:14
the uh the epa the environmental protection agency was formed well uh you could go to los angeles

1517
3:30:14 --> 3:30:22
back in um and bear in mind that ronald uh oh what was his name richard nixon was president he's

1518
3:30:23 --> 3:30:31
he's richard nixon took this as a personal initiative to uh to form the uh the environmental

1519
3:30:31 --> 3:30:43
protection agency and before then oh man they had yes massive uh uh pollution massive pollution of

1520
3:30:43 --> 3:30:54
air of water and you could go to los angeles back um in 1972 and you couldn't even see the overpass

1521
3:30:54 --> 3:31:03
in in front of you that was a quarter mile away the smog was so bad well now you know the air

1522
3:31:04 --> 3:31:11
at least in that component of smog is dramatically better than it was

1523
3:31:13 --> 3:31:23
yeah and in london in london's much better than it used to be oh yeah in in in the 1820s in london

1524
3:31:23 --> 3:31:32
they had drifts of coal ash that three foot deep they said it looked like uh like drifts of snow

1525
3:31:32 --> 3:31:40
it was so deep it just a few years after the industrial revolution really kicked off

1526
3:31:41 --> 3:31:48
and because they were using that much coal in london and in the other big manufacturing cities

1527
3:31:48 --> 3:31:55
of of of england the interesting thing is meryl they never mentioned the london smoke you know

1528
3:31:55 --> 3:32:00
i remember it but but they don't actually mention it these days because they want to say that the

1529
3:32:00 --> 3:32:08
air is dirtier in london than it's ever been and well the the problem in the united states this

1530
3:32:08 --> 3:32:17
problem within the united states is that the federal agencies have legislated things to be

1531
3:32:17 --> 3:32:26
abolished and other things to be implemented when you know i don't it started out with very very

1532
3:32:26 --> 3:32:35
seemingly good intentions and then politics got interjected into policy again and so what you're

1533
3:32:35 --> 3:32:40
doing is is again you can go to california right now and in most parts of the state

1534
3:32:41 --> 3:32:48
well man it looks great i mean it's beautiful california is a beautiful state yes but it's

1535
3:32:48 --> 3:32:57
probably it's arguably the most toxic state in the nation and why is it the most toxic state it's

1536
3:32:57 --> 3:33:05
because of all of these novel chemicals that are being introduced like through the

1537
3:33:08 --> 3:33:14
well let me give you a scientific commentary on that the

1538
3:33:17 --> 3:33:24
soil fertility is is one of the primary measures of soil fertility is the cationic exchange

1539
3:33:24 --> 3:33:31
quotient it means the energy in there that can attract nutrients and bind to them instead of it

1540
3:33:31 --> 3:33:42
being washed away is essentially what it means well you take farmland that is very fertile and

1541
3:33:42 --> 3:33:50
has a high cationic exchange quotient it binds the nutrients well you know what else it binds

1542
3:33:51 --> 3:33:58
it binds the pollutants binds all of the contaminants the the chemical contaminants

1543
3:33:58 --> 3:34:07
from the of the the pesticides the herbicides and the synthetic fertilizers and the synthetic

1544
3:34:07 --> 3:34:16
fungicides and all of these things and it's in the soil well california has a particular problem

1545
3:34:16 --> 3:34:22
because it's so dry well whenever it dries it dusts and the dust blows around

1546
3:34:24 --> 3:34:32
and then when the dust blows around the size of the dust particles then predicates the the the

1547
3:34:33 --> 3:34:40
the cytotoxicity because the smaller the particles are when you inhale the particles

1548
3:34:40 --> 3:34:47
the deeper down in the lungs they go and bear in mind that that whenever you do the

1549
3:34:48 --> 3:35:01
the math of on the surface area of a particle a a liter of of of a material solid material

1550
3:35:02 --> 3:35:12
it at you know one micron is going to have the combined surface area is dramatically larger than

1551
3:35:12 --> 3:35:20
if the particle sizes was 10 microns 10 times that size it's just that's just the you know surface

1552
3:35:20 --> 3:35:27
area of the particles of it's like a baby it's like a baby you know and so then the deeper they

1553
3:35:27 --> 3:35:33
go down into the lungs and they're still have the same amount of toxicity

1554
3:35:34 --> 3:35:44
you know basically per unit of surface area so you get so it's more toxic you have all kinds

1555
3:35:44 --> 3:35:54
of different variables in there and because of that and let's just say then you have the irrigation

1556
3:35:54 --> 3:36:01
water even if it starts out from melting snow and let's just assume that it's perfectly clean

1557
3:36:02 --> 3:36:10
from melting snow that it's like distilled water well by the time it gets through these agricultural

1558
3:36:10 --> 3:36:17
farmlands that are using all of these of these synthetic chemicals and then it's going back into

1559
3:36:17 --> 3:36:28
a watershed this stuff is extraordinarily contaminated exactly and so i think haven't you

1560
3:36:28 --> 3:36:42
had enough you must be tired no i get i get animated yeah but you um so um i i'd like to

1561
3:36:42 --> 3:36:50
thank you for presenting to us tonight it's great to listen to you um merrill and um i think um i

1562
3:36:50 --> 3:36:56
think you like to talk to people don't you so next time when we have you on we'll we'll ask

1563
3:36:56 --> 3:37:01
you questions from the beginning merrill i mean obviously if you actually i would actually i would

1564
3:37:01 --> 3:37:07
enjoy that i would enjoy the whole thing being questioned you're very brave and you just kind of

1565
3:37:07 --> 3:37:12
launched into it i don't think you knew what you're going to talk about and you just kind of winged it

1566
3:37:12 --> 3:37:17
and so but it was still good but i felt sorry i found myself feeling a bit sorry for you know it's

1567
3:37:17 --> 3:37:25
not fair on you well i think you find it very much easier um you did fine of course but but i think

1568
3:37:25 --> 3:37:32
you find it a lot easier as i would just answering questions just talking you know i do i do yeah um

1569
3:37:32 --> 3:37:39
well i don't have a problem with either one uh but uh does tom have a question oh yeah tom go ahead

1570
3:37:42 --> 3:37:49
yeah i was struggling with um i remember when i grew up um on the block my parents had a un flag

1571
3:37:49 --> 3:37:58
and then three houses down there was a um uh right wing um boy the john birch society person and

1572
3:37:58 --> 3:38:06
oh that's a whole nother story there yeah so where where i'm going with this yeah wisconsin

1573
3:38:06 --> 3:38:13
has got some real conservative people in the middle of the state but um i i also grew up

1574
3:38:13 --> 3:38:19
during you know the beginning of like earth day and i was influenced by some of that um small

1575
3:38:19 --> 3:38:28
is beautiful stuff um it came out in the 70s and i was aware of some of those club of rome you know

1576
3:38:28 --> 3:38:37
anti um the the population bomb stuff and then over time um i got kind of interested in the

1577
3:38:37 --> 3:38:44
rights of nature and if you take that to an extreme uh you know rocks and canyons have rights of

1578
3:38:44 --> 3:38:50
nature but certainly rivers have rights of nature well this clashes with the family model um

1579
3:38:51 --> 3:39:01
the and the christianity uh uh that is on the conservative side but i think there is benign

1580
3:39:02 --> 3:39:10
empathetic intention behind you know rights of nature and uh as you were brought up the

1581
3:39:10 --> 3:39:15
environmental movement right when i was thinking about this i think the environmental movement

1582
3:39:15 --> 3:39:23
taken to an extreme shows some of the huge conflicts you know like if you have a farm and

1583
3:39:23 --> 3:39:30
you have some puddles then the puddles are wetlands and so you can't touch that land um

1584
3:39:31 --> 3:39:37
i guess you know it's like how do we i mean well so for example what do you think about rights of

1585
3:39:37 --> 3:39:48
nature do you think that the amazon rainforest should have rights and um what you know how do

1586
3:39:48 --> 3:39:57
you deal with you know socialism versus um because you were kind of waxing in in a in a wide way

1587
3:39:57 --> 3:40:04
philosophical about some of the stuff in the south and family values and so forth um if one side

1588
3:40:04 --> 3:40:11
vilifies the other i don't think that that works out both sides have contradictions but is there a

1589
3:40:11 --> 3:40:16
way that we can ethically evolve you know like you mentioned star trek and star trek was kind of

1590
3:40:16 --> 3:40:24
visionary it was a federation right um you know you mentioned the jetsons and you mentioned the

1591
3:40:24 --> 3:40:31
60s and i was somebody who benefited from these wonderful textbooks in physics in high school

1592
3:40:31 --> 3:40:38
they were fantastic you know they you didn't read them and think why because they kept answering

1593
3:40:38 --> 3:40:44
the questions they were very good as opposed to a lot of the books that preceded that that left so

1594
3:40:44 --> 3:40:52
many unanswered questions so i threw a lot out there i just how do we ethically progress as a race

1595
3:40:55 --> 3:41:00
satisfying the agnostics and the christians the socialists and the conservatives

1596
3:41:01 --> 3:41:09
well i have um you know my own personal opinions about these things and i am a very very

1597
3:41:11 --> 3:41:16
you know straightforward person and do i believe that nature has rights and i'm going

1598
3:41:18 --> 3:41:22
look at look at my technologies look at my string of technologies

1599
3:41:22 --> 3:41:31
um everything that i have ever developed everything that i've discussed here makes the planet and the

1600
3:41:31 --> 3:41:44
locale a better place it actually improves the quality i invented technology in 1978 that this

1601
3:41:45 --> 3:41:53
this is a house that a shelter that that grows all of its own food makes all of its own breathing

1602
3:41:53 --> 3:42:01
air makes creates its own energy makes its own water um again grows all its own food everything

1603
3:42:02 --> 3:42:12
everything in a self-contained environment those principles i think you know

1604
3:42:12 --> 3:42:18
hey i respect nature i respect everything about it a lot just like i was telling you about the

1605
3:42:18 --> 3:42:29
the photosynthesis my discoveries in uh in you know in um in uh quantum physics literally was out

1606
3:42:29 --> 3:42:39
dealing with my organic garden and dealing with the peppers see bioregenerator farming is not

1607
3:42:40 --> 3:42:48
is not destructive to the environment bioregenerator farming is actually beneficial

1608
3:42:48 --> 3:42:59
to the environment synthetic chemicals synthetic chemicals but beings other than humans and their

1609
3:42:59 --> 3:43:04
consciousness what do you well look at but but this is part of the human consciousness

1610
3:43:04 --> 3:43:13
bear in mind that people that are out doing you know you have a thousand acre um agro business

1611
3:43:13 --> 3:43:19
where you have a farm with a monoculture and you got one person with a couple of other

1612
3:43:21 --> 3:43:29
labors are out farming a thousand acre wheat field they're farming a thousand acre corn field

1613
3:43:29 --> 3:43:38
all one species well then that's not the way it's supposed to be never was the way it was

1614
3:43:38 --> 3:43:46
supposed to be the genetically modified organisms look at um you know the bt corn where you're taking

1615
3:43:46 --> 3:43:54
a soil dwelling organism back so is uh for unscathed and inserting it into a plant you're taking two

1616
3:43:54 --> 3:44:00
different kingdoms of life and combining them together you know those are true genetically

1617
3:44:00 --> 3:44:08
modified organisms and it was never supposed to be introduced into the food chain it was only in

1618
3:44:08 --> 3:44:16
an experimental thing for uh for uh cattle fodder and um and of course and it was supposed to be

1619
3:44:16 --> 3:44:23
sterile and everything and in one year well guess what it's everywhere there's a lawsuit now by the

1620
3:44:23 --> 3:44:33
nation of mexico against the uh the the bt corn because it has contaminated all the all the

1621
3:44:33 --> 3:44:39
indigenous heirloom of corn strains throughout mezzo-america

1622
3:44:41 --> 3:44:47
well that's a violation of the rights of nature right there do i believe that the amazonian

1623
3:44:47 --> 3:44:58
rainforest should be destroyed absolutely not and you know so um and then you come back to

1624
3:45:00 --> 3:45:08
population well the greater the population the uh greater the resource consumption that's a fact

1625
3:45:09 --> 3:45:16
you know no way to avoid that well then whenever you uh you ask the question about

1626
3:45:16 --> 3:45:25
you know what was referred to as the mouthusian revolution you know where you're generating

1627
3:45:25 --> 3:45:31
exponentially greater quantities of food on the same aprich well how are they doing that

1628
3:45:33 --> 3:45:44
the use of synthetics then there was a you know a guy that that few people have ever heard of

1629
3:45:44 --> 3:45:51
before that formed another of these green revolutions i call it which was mouthusian

1630
3:45:51 --> 3:46:01
in nature that that developed a uh a genetically modified wheat strain that was only half as tall

1631
3:46:01 --> 3:46:11
as the uh as a as the you know the early triplicum species and then but this was 20 or so years ago

1632
3:46:12 --> 3:46:18
and double the other yield per acre and wheat fields because you get the same amount of

1633
3:46:19 --> 3:46:26
berries with half amount half the amount of stem and so therefore doubling the uh the yield

1634
3:46:27 --> 3:46:33
on a per acre basis you have those things but you know what these are all round up ready

1635
3:46:34 --> 3:46:44
plants well they rely on the um on the um of the herbicides and it's not just round up

1636
3:46:44 --> 3:46:52
because round up is a non-selective herbicide glyphosate versus uh you know the broad leaf

1637
3:46:52 --> 3:47:01
herbicides like 2 4d or you know and and those are selective broad leafs they won't

1638
3:47:01 --> 3:47:11
impact grasses like um um so what they're using is combinations in those wheat fields

1639
3:47:11 --> 3:47:18
they're using the round up for pre-emergence herbicide and then they're used they're spraying

1640
3:47:18 --> 3:47:26
because the 2 4d and classes of chemicals like that only kill the broad leafs and they don't kill

1641
3:47:26 --> 3:47:36
the grasses wheat wheat and corn or grasses so you can use those classes of chemicals

1642
3:47:36 --> 3:47:46
and you know and and again there is a lot of uh one of the things in the wheat manuf the wheat

1643
3:47:47 --> 3:47:55
farming that i find just extraordinarily alarming is the um is what they call wheat

1644
3:47:55 --> 3:48:05
dislocation and somewhere along the way somebody probably inadvertently sprayed um the edges of the

1645
3:48:05 --> 3:48:12
wheat field and they with round up and they discovered that in the seven days it takes

1646
3:48:12 --> 3:48:19
for the plant to die that it threw all of its uh dying energy into developing the wheat berries

1647
3:48:19 --> 3:48:28
and the berries doubled in size and in that period of time as it was dying and so it's called uh you

1648
3:48:28 --> 3:48:36
know wheat desiccation well the problem is is that it's so close to harvest all of the you know the

1649
3:48:38 --> 3:48:47
the chemical residue doesn't even have time to to begin to biologically dissipate so you know it's

1650
3:48:47 --> 3:48:53
you know these are these are the the devils that i have to fight

1651
3:48:54 --> 3:49:04
well all of that's approved by it's approved by the the uh the u.s department of agriculture it's

1652
3:49:04 --> 3:49:10
uh by the environmental protection agency they're all all of these chemicals are labeled and then

1653
3:49:10 --> 3:49:17
it's approved by the uh by all of these agencies and certain of the chemicals and certain

1654
3:49:17 --> 3:49:27
concentrations and certain uh number of rotations scheduled per growing season are allowed on each

1655
3:49:27 --> 3:49:36
crop so it's you know the this stuff is sitting on the shelves of you know almost every grocery

1656
3:49:36 --> 3:49:43
store in the united states unless it's certified organic that's a really really

1657
3:49:44 --> 3:49:51
big issue with me i mean it's huge i see the all the impact from it and you can take a large

1658
3:49:51 --> 3:50:00
classes of these chemicals that i've known for 50 years cause diseases like parkinson's

1659
3:50:00 --> 3:50:10
and um and i mean this is serious stuff like for instance if you drive along where do you live

1660
3:50:13 --> 3:50:23
yeah i'm in wisconsin now i'm in illinois i know the corn you well in wisconsin

1661
3:50:23 --> 3:50:31
it's in wisconsin well in wisconsin if you drive along and you see on the side of the road or on

1662
3:50:32 --> 3:50:41
fire lines and power lines and such like that if you see this it looks like a wildfire went through

1663
3:50:41 --> 3:50:48
except it's in a straight line right like down like down a power line or pipeline right away or

1664
3:50:48 --> 3:50:54
ditches on the side of a highway it looks like a wildfire went through it looks like it's burned

1665
3:50:55 --> 3:51:03
well that is in in all probability that what it was sprayed with was paraquat or diquat or one of

1666
3:51:03 --> 3:51:15
those family of compounds and they are well known and well documented for 50 years at least to cause

1667
3:51:15 --> 3:51:22
parkinson's we know they cause parkinson's it ain't even the question i'm working with a guy

1668
3:51:22 --> 3:51:30
who's got parkinson's so we talked about nicotine patches and the other thing i know a

1669
3:51:31 --> 3:51:38
adult with a dog who got lymphoma at age seven and we don't know what happened but you know the

1670
3:51:38 --> 3:51:46
lawn chemicals are an issue i i there's a lot of people that who is the woman from india that is

1671
3:51:46 --> 3:51:53
being on glycosate i mean it's just it's good to be reminded to buy organic if you can afford it

1672
3:51:55 --> 3:52:01
well uh you know what it my argument is is that no one cannot afford it

1673
3:52:01 --> 3:52:08
because you're going to pay for it i can tell you right now you're going to pay for the organic food

1674
3:52:08 --> 3:52:16
whether you eat it or not because you can buy the cheap junk at at uh you know at the on the shelves

1675
3:52:16 --> 3:52:23
of the grocery store you can buy the cheap junk that's packaged foods and you can buy the cheap

1676
3:52:23 --> 3:52:31
you can buy the cheap processed foods you can buy the cheap vegetable oils you can

1677
3:52:32 --> 3:52:38
buy the cheap junk over at the fast food and everything and i can assure you that you're

1678
3:52:38 --> 3:52:44
going to pay for it and it's going to cost you a lot more than eating certified organic

1679
3:52:44 --> 3:52:53
food because you're going to be sick you're going to be going to the doctor you can pay for all of

1680
3:52:53 --> 3:52:58
that stuff you're going to have missed work you're going to have a loss of quality of life you're

1681
3:52:58 --> 3:53:04
going to have all of these disease states you're going to have the presenting of all of these

1682
3:53:04 --> 3:53:11
symptoms all of that that is a cost that i'm unwilling to pay

1683
3:53:15 --> 3:53:23
uh i'm impressed you keep taking courses okay yeah i need to get going at the top of the hour thanks

1684
3:53:23 --> 3:53:30
so much um it's awesome um hey you say thank you very much for speaking to us i think we should

1685
3:53:30 --> 3:53:38
finish now you've been going for four hours and i'm four hours yeah i only had two nearly four

1686
3:53:38 --> 3:53:44
nearly four hours we've been going oh lord i gotta i gotta get going all right um

1687
3:53:45 --> 3:53:56
one more question ellen oh thank you um yes i had one is i just got a cat and um you know you talked

1688
3:53:56 --> 3:54:03
about the problem of indoor cats and what should i do um is there any way to minimize my chances

1689
3:54:03 --> 3:54:15
of getting that disease no so you just shouldn't have a cat no you shouldn't have a um we've had

1690
3:54:15 --> 3:54:23
i've had cats all my life the cats live outdoors right i live in chicago right downtown and

1691
3:54:24 --> 3:54:33
well that that's a complication of the uh but um it is really really a serious issue i mean it's

1692
3:54:33 --> 3:54:40
way more serious of an issue than most people realize it is can i address that a second it

1693
3:54:40 --> 3:54:47
definitely is but for indoor cats you're you're in good shape uh they say that it's mostly when

1694
3:54:47 --> 3:54:54
they're kittens like the first two weeks of their life that they're likely to spread it and uh no

1695
3:54:54 --> 3:55:01
they spread it they spread it their entire lives they get they pick this stuff up it's it's virtually

1696
3:55:01 --> 3:55:10
100 percent of cats are contaminated and i read and and with and with bartonella those are two

1697
3:55:10 --> 3:55:18
things that virtually 100 percent of cats carry and really well let me put it let me put it to you

1698
3:55:18 --> 3:55:28
this way i am dealing with a gal right now the daughter of a doctor friend out on the uh the

1699
3:55:28 --> 3:55:40
west coast and she's 40 years old and she is in a psychiatric institution right now and a year ago

1700
3:55:41 --> 3:55:44
whenever she can i said i can tell you right now what a problem is

1701
3:55:47 --> 3:55:57
one she got a cat inside her house i can assure you that she has both uh both toxoplasma

1702
3:55:57 --> 3:56:06
and she has bartonella she so she has barton uh bartellinosis and she goes out hiking in the um

1703
3:56:06 --> 3:56:14
in in the mountains all the time and says she probably has um lyme disease on top of it

1704
3:56:14 --> 3:56:22
well guess what we did blood tests on her about a year ago and she has toxoplasmosis she had

1705
3:56:22 --> 3:56:32
bartonella she had lyme disease and she had babesia she is right now in a um in an involuntarily

1706
3:56:32 --> 3:56:42
committed in a mental institution right now this is not stuff that i'm telling you about there's

1707
3:56:42 --> 3:56:51
some sort of intellectual exercise this is things that i see every day and the mother is a close

1708
3:56:51 --> 3:57:04
friend of mine it's real so i may um i started this deal with toxoplasmosis with a friend who

1709
3:57:04 --> 3:57:13
was a professor of biology up in oregon and we did a project oh this is back in the early 90s i

1710
3:57:13 --> 3:57:23
guess it was uh in coups bay where they had the all this massive problems in the seals and

1711
3:57:24 --> 3:57:31
such down there and uh in the bay and they were having all the aborted fetuses they were not

1712
3:57:31 --> 3:57:40
reproducing properly they were swimming sideways and all the stuff and it was from the feral cats

1713
3:57:40 --> 3:57:44
that were running around and washing down in the watershed into the bay

1714
3:57:45 --> 3:57:55
and and it was infecting the uh the seals and the other um um uh members of that family and it was

1715
3:57:56 --> 3:58:04
i mean it was devastating you know and it's back to um you know tom's uh uh question about uh the

1716
3:58:05 --> 3:58:13
rights of nature well what about the rights of the seals yeah and uh you know there's no

1717
3:58:14 --> 3:58:22
there's no reason for that and it was caused by feral cats running around you know this wasn't

1718
3:58:22 --> 3:58:30
natural occurrence this was artificially induced but they but the laws the regulations they wouldn't

1719
3:58:30 --> 3:58:40
let them um round up and eliminate the cats so so the only thing the only thing that i can tell

1720
3:58:40 --> 3:58:50
you to do is don't don't be around the cat litter and don't disturb the cat litter inside the house

1721
3:58:50 --> 3:59:01
and you can give you cat um um the ivermectin and the ivermectin will hopefully kill the uh the

1722
3:59:02 --> 3:59:07
the toxoplasma to prevent them laying the laying the eggs

1723
3:59:10 --> 3:59:17
so it's it's only cats that get this particular parasite is that right no it's not only cats but

1724
3:59:17 --> 3:59:25
it's mostly cats it's why is it mostly cats yeah it's just it's part of the life cycle of the

1725
3:59:25 --> 3:59:33
organism but they have a different well you have two other components in that life cycle too it's a

1726
3:59:33 --> 3:59:44
tripartite um uh life cycle it's uh birds of prey like ox, seagulls, and such of mice and of cats

1727
3:59:48 --> 3:59:55
so yeah okay but you're not you're probably not you're probably not gonna go out and eat hawks

1728
3:59:55 --> 4:00:05
you're probably not gonna go out and eat field mice and uh and or have them look in your house

1729
4:00:05 --> 4:00:12
but so you know you've eliminated two of those variables and so you're left with the cats so it

1730
4:00:12 --> 4:00:18
say the cat you know it was like 14 weeks old when it just showed up and i brought it in because i

1731
4:00:18 --> 4:00:27
didn't want to put it down or you know um but so chances are it maybe never got close to any mice

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or anything but you just think it genetically uh let me tell you a story from a year or so ago

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um they had a gal came in and she had sudden uh hearing loss one ear she was completely deaf in

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an ear just overnight and so i'm there and uh we're doing we're doing hyperbaric for

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and i'm talking to her and talking to her doctor who um or medical doctor and i'm going through and

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and asking her all of these questions and she had been going to all of these neurologists and

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auditory specialists and and such and um and and and it was really bothering her and she was

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i don't know about 40 years of age and and so i uh i and i'm putting her in the chamber one day

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and i asked her to ask her all these questions about and she and said within the month before

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you had that sudden hearing loss anything happened anything at all and then she goes no nothing at

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all and so okay so and then she said oh wait a minute there is one thing i got really what's

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that and she said well there was a little kitten i heard howling out behind the house that one

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little thing and and i said oh so you rescued the kitten right and she goes well yeah but i had to

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i go okay well let me let me ask you one question did the cat scratch you

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and she said or or bite you and she said well yeah all kittens do that and i go well i take that as a

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yes right and said and did you put the cat inside your house well well yeah but just for a little

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while it's not in there anymore and uh so guess what she had

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toxi plasma she had a combination of toxoplasma and bartonella she had both of them cat scratch

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fever and she had sudden neurosensory hearing loss in one ear unilateral hearing loss she was

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totally deaf in one ear overnight literally overnight right again this is this is what i'm

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saying i've seen this movie with a gazillion reruns it's not a good rerun don't carry that

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i'm stopping the recording meryl thank you so much for presenting to us