element to this. There are certain religions that are not, you can't criticize either. You can
criticize Christianity but you sure as hell can't criticize Islam. Correct, I'm criticized, my last
show two shows ago criticized Islam and what we must stop is immigration of Muslims into Australia
and look, UK is lost to Islam, it's too late for UK, that's the problem. All right, let's get this
show on the road. I'm delighted to welcome you all to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics
International and today's meeting with and our guest is Dr Meryl Holly. I will introduce him
in a moment. This group was founded four years ago by Dr Stephen Frost, a British trained
medical doctor, a seasoned whistleblower and activist who founded this group to champion
truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. At this time we remember Ryan Oformick, German US
lawyer who's languishing in a German prison following a corrupt show trial with a corrupt
judge, corrupt prosecutors, corrupt government and we're talking about corrupt governments.
The UK government is corrupt, I call it out and what the whole legal structure in UK is
absolutely being dismantled as a legal structure that has roots going back to 1215, the first
Magna Carta. I'm Charles Covess, I'm in Melbourne, I'm a former lawyer, I was a lawyer for 20 years
and for 32 years I've been a professional speaker, I'm an Australasian passion provocateur,
that's why I wear a red jacket because red is the color of passion and you come here,
there are lots of passionate people here and greatness is only ever achieved with passion,
so harness it in your own lives. This group is a dynamic blend of voices from all sorts of
professions, not just doctors and we're from all around the world. Many of us once viewed
vaccines as benign, now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers with pride and I'm one of
them. If somebody accuses me of being an anti-vaxxer I say absolutely, that's exactly what I am.
First timers, you're warmly embraced, introduce yourself in the chat. We're in the thick of a
global struggle, we're clearly in World War III with medical and scientific battles among 12
battlefronts, another that we've just mentioned is the spiritual battlefront with attacks on
Christianity permitted but attacks on Islam or anyone else not permitted and lies that are
approved by the government are allowed, truth that is not approved by the government is not
allowed. This is straight out of George Orwell's 1984. Obviously George wrote the script for the
government to follow. We're five and a half years into this fight and there's no time to say you're
tired because we've got a big fight on our hands and our guests today. Meryl Holly has been fighting
this fight on the whole health space since Meryl 1976 or 74 or 78, which year are you going to
are we going to start was your start point and unmute yourself. Unmute yourself.
You're muted Meryl, Meryl you're muted.
Wakey wakey. Oh I started this initiative in 1972 but I started my professional career
in 1978. Good I started my legal career in 1973 so we've been on a similar journey for a long time
for 52 years so far. Anyway so on the medical science field Meryl has been in this fight
professionally since 1978 and well understands the power of the existing status quo in the
alleged health space. So the key is to stay strong, stay healthy, be up for the fight and
what you're going to learn today from our guest speaker will help you to get healthier and stay
healthier stay healthy. Science we know is never done it thrives on challenge and inquiry anybody
who tells you the science is settled is bullshitting you. It's a technical Australian term. It's
bullshit that the science is settled on anything. Some here believe in viruses others see them as
fiction and many are still exploring. All views fuel our dialogue. This session goes for two and
a half hours after which Tom Rodman runs an optional telegram video chat for those with the time.
We'll hear from Dr Meryl Holly our guest for as long as Meryl wants to talk is presented to us
before this is the second time he's presenting to us and follows by question and answer. Per tradition
Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes. This is a free speech haven
unlike the whole of the UK appropriately moderated to keep ideas flowing free speech is our weapon to
safeguard human liberties and Mark you've just said if you can't speak if you can't speak freely
your liberty is hugely hugely attacked. If something offends you own it. We lovingly sidestep the
outrage culture and its demands to silence truth and please note nothing that anybody says
in this call can offend you. Only you can offend yourself. If you decide to be offended you are
doing that to yourself. Nothing that anybody here says can be offensive or can trigger you. You
trigger you. We choose love over fear. Fear binds and sickens. Love liberates heals and inspires.
That's why the attacks on Christianity happen because the essence of Christianity is love
your neighbor but love expands your capabilities. Fear depresses you, shrinks you. These twice
weekly gatherings are far from mere talk. They've birthed real world actions and alliances. A key
tactic in our fight is exposing medical crimes on social media and we're rarely behind the three
word mantra that was given to us by John Rappaport of medical truth now and that's what Meryl Holly
has been on about medical truth now. This call can unite humanity in a search for accountability
and we want to hold the bastards to account who have been imposing fraud fraudulent health
principles on humanity. So we're thrilled to welcome Meryl if you've got any solutions products
or resources put them in the chat so that one idea that you put in the chat could be what people
are looking for. Meryl let me introduce you and then we'll get you underway. It's an amazing bio
it's for those watching the recording it's in the show notes. Here's Meryl Holly not Holly.
You might tell us she's Holly. There you are. He's the co-founder of RC Hyperbaric Wellness and I've
mentioned to this group before I've been involved with Hyperbaric for 15 years here in Australia.
So Meryl founded RC Hyperbaric in Ennis Texas is a doctor of functional medicine a pioneer in
hyperbaric oxygen therapy regulation of gene expression and environmental health.
Meryl currently serves as the senior research scientist for the TOR Institute of Anti-Aging
Tissue and Organ Regeneration and president of the International Hyperbaric Medical Foundation
presaging the field of epigenetics by almost three decades.
Meryl posited Holly's first law of biology in 1976 while an undergrad at Louisiana State
University during the course of quote during the course of the lifespan of any organism
both the genotype and phenotype of that organism changes in response to exogenous
environmental exposure end quote. That's the first law of biology Holly's first law of biology.
This observation forms the foundation of environment genetics is iconoclastic applied
biophysics model of evolution genetics and disease. The quote 10 pillars of brain
insults end quote are extracted from that model. He's published extensively his practice environmental
toxicology since 1978 he's traveled the world as a prolific inventor and autodidact polymath
educator in the classics as being meal as me as opposed to merely being trained which is what you
do to a dog or a dolphin. He's generated a lengthy intellectual property pipeline he's been 1970s
pioneer in stem cell biology as a department of defense contractor as well in 2006 a prolific
writer authored four internationally acclaimed peer-reviewed research papers and he's got three
he's got five I think currently five research papers have been submitted the journal publication
this year and currently in peer review and but perhaps his greatest strength is that in addition
of being an independent thinker he has the uncanny ability to teach to reach across borders and
boundaries to build international teams and coalitions of extreme talent from diverse
backgrounds and experiences in order to solve complex and intractable problems
devoid of bias understanding the quality of the net output of the select team is exponentially
greater than the sum of the capabilities of each individual team member he seeks deep profound
thought and continually pokes and prods and asks a barrage of deeply penetrate penetrating questions
and listens to the nuance and context of the responses such is the value of collaboration.
It reminds me of synchronicity in the famous quote of Buckminster Fuller.
Merrill I'm sure you know of Buckminster Fuller and synchronicity is when the behaviour of the
whole his definition the behaviour of the whole is unpredicted by the sum of the parts and one of
the great examples that he uses for those of you who don't see synchronicity in nature if you have
sodium put it in your mouth you die if you have chlorine put it in your mouth you die
put the two together with sodium chloride becomes table salt essential for life so there you are
unpredicted by the sum of the parts Stephen Frost thank you for creating this group.
Merrill we are in your hands you can share your screen if you wish
over to you for as long as you wish to address us and then Q&A.
Just a moment Charles there's one open mic from Carla Dean if you could shut that off or if she's
listening she shut it off. That's probably me okay keep going Merrill.
I very much appreciate the opportunity to present on this forum for the second time.
Last Sunday was quite a tough act to follow up I was absolutely transfixed since I only have a
two minute attention span for me to be engrossed in a three hour conversation
is absolutely remarkable as testament in and of itself I have since then been playing with his code
and it is an invaluable tool. Just tell the audience watching the recording
whose code you're talking about. Oh the code by Dr. Tim Kelly and which is that in inverse
hypothesis. What is so fascinating about it is you know you could really relate it back to
a fourth grade mathematical exercise that is you say two plus three equals five so then if you take
five and you subtract three it has to equal two it becomes a you know in this format it's really
correct in your math so if the fundamental statement is accurate well then the inverse
application is going to prove it out as opposed to like in so many of the situations that that
he ran the other day like for instance saturated fat causes cardiovascular disease
and then of course that you know is it no no it's hyperinsulinia is the is the what was the the
actual inverse application and they and and what was it about the world trade towers
um the twin towers it said it's um that it is that is that the ability of those skyscrapers
to collapse vertically within its own footprint is not known to any theoretical physics.
Now that's a pretty interesting comment by the AI just in its rudimentary large language model
so I have been working on developing AI tools for assisting me in my envirogenetics model of
of disease and the diagnostics of disease which is very very different than the standard of care
different than the standard of care of evidence-based medicine. The standard of care
of evidence-based medicine is practiced in the United States and you know there at NHS is just an
overly simplistic model that is predicated you know and the term eugenics came up in conversation
on last Sunday as well and you could see all of this coming out of that eugenics model
and you know it's pharmaceutically driven. Why is it and does it really solve the problem
you know the if what they were telling us is true well then you wouldn't have all of these
cases of cardiovascular disease. There is I'm just completing a paper on cardiovascular disease
now Proxima Cause and I had a a paper published about a year ago that in an international
cardiology journal and that was the first documented case of the reversal of malignant
hypertension and of chronic kidney disease. Well if you go and you start examining
a lot of indigenous cultures and this was one of the things that I was doing back in the 1970s was
gathering this research data there are a lot of indigenous populations around the world that have
no recorded instance of cardiovascular disease and they don't prescribe to any of the diet and
what we were doing back then and what I was particularly focused on was the diet and
gut microbiome. You know just now they're starting to have this real you know exposition into what a
healthy gut biome looks like. Well we were engaged in that 50 years ago and actually to a profound
level because we knew then that that was what the driver of disease was. You know if you have gut
dysbiosis you're going to be sick. If you're and then comes back to what is gut dysbiosis what does
a healthy gut microbiome actually look like and you know what we found was quite you know illuminating
is that every one of these indigenous populations have a completely different gut microbiome
and they were perfectly healthy. Every one of these indigenous populations, bear in mind,
depending on where they are in the world they have different food sources
and then that food source is not a monolithic thing. It doesn't exist all 12 months of a year.
I mean think about if you like my ancestors from Scotland. Well you know they don't eat this
a thousand years ago. They were not eating the same diet every month of the year. So it you know
it expanded and so therefore the gut microbiome actually would modify with the seasons predicated
upon the food source within that. But whenever you start looking at what the healthy gut biome
really looks like and this is in people that had never been sick in their life. They were 70 years
old never been sick never been to a doctor. Well you know what there was no uniformity between that.
There were some commonalities of course but there was no uniformity of the of the microbiota in terms
of speciation. But bear in mind what happens when you start looking at in 1900 in the United States
there was the average life expectancy was about 39.5 years of age.
In by 1950 the average life expectancy had doubled.
Yeah and so you know in 50 years well why did that expand? Why did it double?
And but you know the statistics never tell the whole truth. They only have the you know they're
showing whatever the data interpretation of the statistics mean and represent.
Well to the medical establishment they'll claim that oh well the reason that it doubled was because
of the advent of penicillin. And it came into widespread use during World War II and then in
1945 1946 it started being handed out across the United States like candy. So they will claim
they the medical establishment will claim that it's due to the advent of of the antibiotics.
Well what they won't tell you is in 1946 where there was a widespread
incidence that was occurring that the doctors had never seen before. And what that was was
was you know these fungal diseases and they had never seen these gut fungal issues.
And it was such a profound incidence that occurred that that a
a an antifungal called nystatin was developed in order to combat these widespread gut fungal
diseases which you know which was caused by taking penicillin. And so it was developed to be
co-administered with penicillin. And I still to this day every time I talk to any physician
and every time I talk to anyone who is taking an antibiotic any antibiotic I ask them said okay well
what what anti-gut antifungal did you prescribe
to go along with the antibiotics that you prescribe to this patient? I asked the person what
you know what antifungal and what
microbiotic supplement was was was co-prescribed with the antibiotic.
And it's almost never never do you get this response. I mean maybe one out of a thousand
cases. And so in 1900 you will find that in the United States you had a 50 percent
infant mortality between the age before the age of five years. Well what caused that?
Again the medical establishment will tell you that the reason was because they didn't have the
vaccines. And so that's the whole overt reason for this intense vaccine schedule that are
that are mandated in the United States. Well you start looking at that and you go oh wait a minute
what about even you know polio was one of the big things and of course cholera and various hepatitis
and whooping cough and percussive of it. And there was a lot of widespread
illness but the greatest cause of mortality was from fecal vectored waterborne pathogens.
So what really happened between 1900 and 1950 and that was you know that was sanitary sewers.
Potable water supplies that were chlorinated and so they controlled the amount of the waterborne
pathogens and this was extremely important and you know large cities like New York City
and see they don't talk about those things. I'm not saying that that the chlorination of water
supplies was safe but it also killed all these you know fecal vectored pathogens like cholera
and the different types of you know there are a couple of things that are very important.
You know there are dozens of different very severe enteropathogens that are
within that whole family of cholera and typhoid and such. And whenever you start looking at the
mental illness that is derived from these enterococcus and enteroviruses as well,
when you start looking at the number of mental cases that you have it's just staggering.
Another one of the things that they didn't tell you was that the females
would have an average in the United States of eight children before they were 30 years of age
and that was the end of the childbearing year. They didn't tell you that how many percentage of
females would die of childbearing complications especially septicemia, childbirth fever before
the age of 30. But if they made it to 30 they had lived to 105 years of age working out in the
fields doing stoop labor every day perfectly healthy. They don't tell you those things.
They wouldn't tell you that if a male made it to 30 and not getting killed in an accident and not
getting killed in war that they would live to be 105 years of age. And this is in 1900 they had lived
to be 105 years of age working out in the fields six days a week doing stoop labor dawn to dusk
perfectly healthy. They don't tell you that. That's not included within the data statistics.
Well and when you start looking at all of this you'll very very readily come to the conclusion
that the vast majority of illnesses in the United States you know and especially chronic what they
call chronic disease and I counter the definition of disease because these are primarily environmentally
induced syndromes but the vast majority of the environmentally induced syndromes
that are so prevalent in the U.S. are actually iatrogenic. So back to your prelude to this
discussion stay healthy don't get sick don't get hurt because if you get sick and you have to go to
you know to the medical doctor you have to go to hospital then you're on the bandwagon and it's
hard to get off of it and then and if you have any sort of medical procedure especially surgery
there you are again. There was a it's very difficult to reverse a lot of these things
from a surgical procedure it's impossible to reverse that and but just from the case of taking
antibiotics any antibiotic that's not a temporary issue it's not a temporary modification of the
gut microbiome irrespective of what they want you to believe. I asked the rhetorical question to
these medical doctors you know on a daily basis well what was this drug that you prescribed
and said okay well what gut modification of speciation and taxidid occurred as a result of
that and of course then you get this blank look and you go well I don't know and go well why don't
you know why do you have all of these different types of antibiotics you have you have hundreds
of different antibiotics why do you have all of these different antibiotics well one you have two
broad classes of bacteria it's going to be gram a and gram positive and gram negative and so
and you can even look at that and you know and some of the real most prevalent bacterial species
there that are pathogenic you know the structococcus and staphylococcus well the and so the gram a
doesn't have the same type of molecular secretions that you have from from the gram negatives gram
negative bacteria you know secrete this you know a class of chemicals that are referred to as
lipopolysaccharides in addition to other things and the all that and you know there is this
misnomer that states that these are these primitive organisms many of them unicellular
and that they're primitive and go well in 1984 I started this down this path of neurobiology
and was fascinated by these how these primitive organisms possess the capacity to
actually usurp and control the brain of mammalian host how they can control the brain of a human
completely modifying behavior you know and something as widespread as
um
which is of course a plasmodium is a worm and malaria is a plasmodium either
plasmodium falciferum or plasmodium vivax babesia that's a tick-borne
um plasmodium falls within that same category
and um and they completely modify the uh the brain they completely control your behavior
they you know you have a tremendous amount of uh neurological neuro psychosis that's induced
by the of the the toxoplasma toxoplasma then is widespread across the united states with people
keeping cats in their house house cats right and where they got litter boxes especially because the
eggs of these microscopic worms are contained again they're fecal vectored right fecal vectored
pathogens so you have the eggs the u-sites and they're microscopic they're you know you
and especially if you go and clean the litter box well this stuff aerosolizes and goes all over
your house you inhale it you got the um the um the you know the plasmodium and it's a lot easier to
catch these plasmodium than it is to get rid of them um the and because one of the things is they
that they deliberately go to the brain and and control thought well one of the things that they
do is is they remove inhibitions and it actually promote risk-taking behavior um and you know and
that's in the early stages before the you know the the the the path down that road to get to the
neuropsychosis but i've seen just you know hundreds of cases over the years of of severe
neuropsychosis that would be designated as schizophrenic type uh syndromes that is a result
of the toxoplasma simply by keeping cats inside of the house um and and i could expound upon this
for days on end of all of these crazy cases well you whenever you start looking at what these
um secretions do like the lipopolysaccharides why do these ground negative bacteria secrete them
they one of the fascinating constructs is is that when you look at what's going on inside the human
gut is that you have you know we don't even know how many um uh different species of bacteria is in
a healthy of the average healthy gut in the united states but you could easily ascribe 5,000 to it
well and so what i did back in the mid 1970s was i charted it out and said okay well we know that
they got at least 5,000 different species so what if i chart out and i make 5,000
5,000 different bacterial species well each one of them is secreting these
chemical warfare agents because it's literally what it is they're making these chemical warfare
agents that are trying to kill their uh their enemies but also encourage their friends to
colonize the same uh terrain these are terrain issues we're right back to the um the work of
bernard and uh bachon contemporaries of louis pastore back in the 1860s and so that they are
going okay well what we want to do is we want to kill all of our enemies but we want all of our
friends to come and move in next to us we can create these biofilms and the biofilms are you
know these are high-rise condos and we can have all of all of our buddies with us and you can divide
the um the you know the gut microbiome up to four different classifications right you got the good
guys or these are supposed to be the ones who are our friends they're going to be the they
the the beneficial the commensal and the symbiotic bacteria different speciation different
taxa between all of them and then you have okay well everything else is pathogenic well what's
pathogenic they go oh clostridium difficile is one of the leading causes of death and
in elder care facilities and nursing homes and hospitals and then you go okay well
so how is it that clostridium difficile is one of the reasons that you don't have um
we have actually gone through this intellectual exercise of taking people that had severe
uh nut allergies to the point of anaphylaxis and and dose them with specific strains of cluster
clostridium difficile and their nut allergies go completely away they no longer experience the
they the allergic reactions and and you can look through all of these that and say even
the things that are deemed pathogenic usually are not it's simply these numerical relationships
between each one so whenever you take and you just like i did again 50 years ago taking 5,000
different species and saying okay well i'm just going to arbitrarily assign there's one million
bacteria of each species in the gut and if you take one dose of penicillin
what does it look like a week later yeah i mean how is that uh going to chart out well what if
it's not penicillin what if it's doxycycline which is frontline treatment for Lyme disease
right what is the um what's going to happen then what if it's a tetracycline how is that modified
well what if you break out these big guns like the fluoroquinolones what is that going to do
and and it becomes very very interesting and revealing because then whenever you take
and you decline these populations that keep other populations in check because a homeostasis
literally becomes where the secretions by one group of gut bugs is balanced off by the secretions
of the other ones which keeps all of them in check so it's normalized again homeostasis where
water flows downhill until it reaches a pond or a lake right and um and this is one of the
the principles of the second law of thermodynamics and whenever you look through there you will find
that that you have completely goofed everything up the enzymatics the enzymatic secretions and
the metabolites and they and they are totally totally out of whack well what happens whenever
you have an overgrowth then a numerical overgrowth of a ground negative bacteria in the gut
well what it does then is something really interesting it secretes these lipopolysaccharides
and what that does is it makes this thing called a zonulin response it's a loss of tight junction
through the cells that are lining the gut so it allows the the separation of the of the so that
the partially digested foods in the gut and the bacteria transfer into the bloodstream
the vernacular term for that is leaky gut syndrome and although most people and most
medical doctors don't understand these dynamics of what is really occurring what is really going on
and what the ramifications of it is one is it triggers the um the different inflammatory
responses i mean it makes your it makes your immune system go absolutely crazy
um but it's way more than that and then you have these bacteria that are in the bloodstream
they're not supposed to be in the bloodstream you can have a beneficial gut bug as a matter of fact
i wrote a paper on this i don't know a year ago that's posted on on my ex account and it's
called the uh the janus face of a um of a of a common gut bacteria um clebsiella numinae that is
a friend of ours this is one of the good guys it confers health benefits it's also one of the leading
causes of of of bacterial neurotoxicosis it neuropsychosis caused by this clebsiella infection
why because again the antibiotics make this imbalance allowing it to go into the bloodstream
and what is revealing is that these bacteria have a very very interesting thing like a lot of
pathogenic organisms worms and so like liver flukes and such they want to go colonize the
liver you know you got all of this forms of hepatitis and um they want to go to the liver
and chomp on the liver well these classes of bacteria they specifically go to the blood brain
barrier with a designed intent to colonize the human brain they go to the blood brain barrier
and they secrete these lipopolysaccharides that open up the blood brain barrier and so i've
expounded uh tremendously over the years on um you know on uh permeability membrane permeability
and membrane porosity and the varying focuses of perm permeability and porosity
it's fascinating the lipopolysaccharides then secreted by in this case like uh the clebsiella
numonae is designed specifically to open up the blood brain barrier to allow it to become
porous enough that it can go into the human brain and colonize the brain well whenever you have that
bacterial infection now this is supposed to be our friend remember and so it's going and colonizing
the brain altering the brain microbiome and you have then you know uh cerebral bacterial
toxicosis and it it yeah this becomes part of the definitions in a mental illness
what's mental illness and you can see these very very strong determinants there in um you know in
all of these different cases of mental illness and the and and with the neuropsychosis with
depression with i was working with a um a medical doctor in florida earlier today specifically on
writing a book on depression right now and um and and he was asking me this i was feeding him
all of this information about what causes depression and then why the um you know the
the anti-depressants don't work no words matter of fact so many of the antidepressants actually
cause you know rage issues hostility issues and suicidal tendencies and the homicidal tendencies
well that's not solving problems you're dramatically exacerbating these problems
dramatically and um and you know and again you're altering neurotransmitters you're
goofing all kinds of things up and and so you can come back and you can look at all of these
different dynamics that are caused by and this is what my cardiovascular paper is that i'm
trying to complete now um for publication and and it's exactly the same path it is um it is the same
path as we're discussing right here of cardiovascular disease and then you know okay well
what about the uh uh yama mani in uh on you know a remote amazonian tribe you know they they don't
that was one of the groups that i studied back in the as an undergrad they have they don't have
historically any um cardiovascular disease and you know what their diet is primarily
bananas and the minnows that they can catch out in the um in the local streams
well and then you know so some of the tubers and seeds and and fruit but it's mainly bananas
they're the bulk of their diet indigenously has been bananas and uh and these you know supplemented
by by these little minnows and freshwater and so um and it flies in the face of everything
that is taught in medical schools in the united states or in the eu or in australia
and so oh and but it's in you know it is stated by the cdc the centers for disease control in
the united states that it's the number one cause of death and it's actually whenever you look at
the published data it's almost twice as many cases of mortality in the united states attributed to
cardiovascular disease annually then to the number two cause of death which is um cancers of all
types of cancers but when you then really look at what the number the reason for the cardiovascular
disease that's iatrogenic again we're back to iatrogenic disease where the the treatments
that are prescribed by the medical doctors following the standard of care of evidence-based
medicine is actually causing the of the disease and um and then i've written extensively over the
years too um um you know what vaccines do uh when i was an undergrad uh my 1972 my roommate
was going into microbiology and he became a um a professor of veterinary medicine
that made vaccines animal vaccines and brilliant brilliant uh guy and uh so i had an extensive
background you know in vaccine development back 50 years ago and um and then that expanded until
today too so i'm very familiar with vaccines what they are and what they do and so i've written
extensively on on this over the years about like in the case of um ms ms and and a lot of those are
referred to as demyelination syndromes right myelin being a the insulation on the nerves
so you have the neurons you have the insulation around the neurons and that insulation then
whenever it is eroded it's kind of like a rat chews on the uh on the lamp cord and the the two
wires and you know everything shorts out on your lamp well that's literally what ms is
now the why that the demyelination syndromes occur well then that comes into very very broad
range and it could be you know from nutrient deficiencies functional b12 specific orthomolecular
uh chemistries of b12 will cause that and but you also have these things called molecular biomimicry
right and the molecular biomimicry from uh one of the fundamental tenants of vaccine development is
well you don't want to introduce a vaccine injected into the bloodstream
that is going to have the same proteins that are produced endogenously in the body any of the human
tissues if you if you give it well you know the immune system starts going and and attacking
that and and and you know and that's attributed to a lot of you know arthritis and like a type
one diabetes those types of autoimmune diseases which are again environmentally induced syndromes
um the so you start taking that again into this context and you have a lot of bugs
who will go and they will start actually doing the chomping just like those rats
on the myelin sheathing so you can have the pathogenic um uh chomping on the nerves
or you could have the immune system attacking this and the molecular bio and so you got three
different forms of molecular biomimicry and that i've identified and written about
but from the vaccines then one of the things that theoretically works really really well
is the um what would be called the um you know it's like hepatitis b
vaccine was one of them and it's a recombinant uh recombinant dna loop snippets of recombinant dna
that replicate parts of the pathogen of the of the genetic sequences within the pathogen
but then it because you could theoretically get something that is not going to
have any proteins expressed in there that would cause this autoimmune syndrome or molecular
biomimicry do they do it well i'm not saying that i'm saying it's theoretically possible if you run
that inverse algorithm that from that you will find that it would be a theoretical possibility
if you could do it correctly ai perhaps could uh could do that now is there a scourge of um you know
of that of um you know pathogenic scorches over the years the biblical plagues well yeah you know
we know that smallpox was not fun yeah smallpox was not fun at all and they uh you know the black
plague was not fun at all now what causes them is a different deal and how to prevent that becomes
a different deal because a lot of this has to do with sanitation and it has to do with um
with nutrient deficiencies you know poor diet and you know in lack of specific nutrients
remember the reason um that the other the british sailors you know would have these different
diseases like scurvy and rickets and berry berry and so and they found out that they could start
you know having lying bringing lemons and limes and you know you wouldn't and you could eliminate
the vitamin c deficiencies and uh and and there were a lot of these problems come back to
having the the other the nutrient deficiencies and functional nutrient deficiencies
but the atrogenic uh uh issues now is so prevalent in the united states
that i dare say that cardiovascular disease is not even close to being the number one cause of
morbidity and mortality in the united states rather it's iatrogenic the doctors are causing
it and the doctors are causing it by the prescriptive practices and the clinical procedures
instead of correcting the core issues and making these issues cease to exist
well they're they're complicating and exacerbating it um just as we were discussing
on the sunday call about the you know the cholesterol and statins well you know i mean
i mean does cholesterol cause cardiovascular disease yeah that i mean it's that's nonsensical
again you can go back and look at a lot of these indigenous populations that don't have
cardiovascular disease i mean good gracious like uh the tolingets and in inuits eskimo populations
they seal blubber whale blubber they're eating prodigious quantities of cholesterol
they don't have cardiovascular disease till they start eating sugar and and then whenever they
start and and so and it comes back into these functions of hyperinsulinia so and and these are
very very clear paths well there's also whenever you start having these these gut populations that
are knocked out of flak and um that are in the imbalance they lose their homeostasis and and
one of the common gut fungi is um candida's albicans and candida's albicans is actually a
population of a fungal yeast population of a healthy gut well when it gets um when it's not
held into check by specific bacterial secretions again back to the chemical warfare well and the
propionates the the propionates secrete these various types of propionic acid that are
the most potent anti-fungals ever you know ever discovered and so they keep them out you knock
the propionates out and you get a a fungal overgrowth in the gut well they go out and
instead of secreting like the ground negative bacteria secretes the lipopal polysaccharides
they secrete aspartic proteases well they do exactly parallel to what these ground negative
bacteria do they go into the bloodstream they float around in the bloodstream wanting wanting
with an overt desire to go up to the blood brain barrier they secrete these specific molecules
these are secreted aspartic proteases that separate the blood brain barrier the cells in them
and allow them into the human brain to colonize the brain cerebral
mycosis is the result of the colonization of these fungal pathogens because they are pathogenic
in those numbers and this is numerical relationships where you're losing the homeostasis
and you can you can see this whenever you really start looking at it it is such a
widespread phenomenon so i've gotten in a number of years ago into this subject of the doctrine of
free will well allegedly people have free will the only people that don't have free will
in a biblical sense it are people who are not of you know who are children right before
a certain age don't have free will allegedly and people who are mentally
incompetent now the mental incompetence there was you know you could say well that was down
syndromes which is an endogenous genetic issue and but now whenever we're coming back into a
population and charles she was a lawyer look at you know the various types of criminal acts
not to mention the behavioral acts within the family and such
how much of that is related to having these you know these pathogenic organisms and and the
parasites in the case of like the the toxoplasma and having the the fungal infections having the
viral infections having the bacterial infections having the parasitic infections in the brain
not counting any sort of trauma psychological or physical trauma i mean you have it's crazy like
five million cases of brain trauma that occurs in the united states every year from automobile
accidents where people you know hit their head on the window or on the steering wheel and in
automobile accidents and what we have learned i started a program on the on this for the u.s
military in 2001 for you know for you know the military personnel that are brain injured and so
all of this stuff condenses back into what are the forms of brain injury and and and all of this
and and and then it cascades back into what we refer to as the four primary neurodegenerative
diseases you know which is parkinson's alzheimer's als and ms and and so you have the neurodegenerative
diseases there that are all cascaded together well you can also say that lime disease comes back and
plays right into here neuro borreliosis and um and which is widespread there uh cdc last year
in 2024 said that there were oh it's like 440 000 new cases of lime just in the united states in
2024 you know so this is i mean these are very very serious issues you don't you don't hear
about that you hear about oh well uh you got to lower your blood pressure by taking this blood
pressure lowering medication you have to uh take cholesterol lowering medications you have to
you know and it's all uh pharmaceutical bound and scans and you know and all of these different
types of imaging and blood tests and um and pharmaceutical interventions from the
pharmacological interventions come uh front and foremost is that solving the problem and then you
ask the question does it even have the does it possess the inherent capability
of of correcting these underlying issues and in most cases it does not at all it simply doesn't
even possess the inherent capability and and and we're not we have not even gotten over into what
um my original focus was which is you know low dose chronic environmental exposures to um to these
environmental not just uh chemical exposures but other types of environmental exposures like to
electromagnetic radiation and ionizing radiation and whenever you're you're having all of these
different types of exposures how do you have the modifications then of gene expression
well when i started this path in 1972 there was no such thing as epigenetics that didn't come into
use and you know into the modern parlance until 2004 2005 something like that now it is common
back then in the 1970s that's three decades before um the you know the the the use of the
term epigenetics and the recognition of it it was uh i referred to it as Lamarckian Lamarckism
well Lamarck is if you look on wikipedia it'll say it's a Lamarckian evolution was a baseless
discredited pseudoscientific theory and go really well you know what when i was in ninth grade i
read the work of Lamarck and Lamarckian evolution and at that point in time i'm going well that
makes more sense than anything that i've read you know i mean i i read darwin's works also
the origin of the species and the scent of man i read those cover to cover and i can tell you this
the religion of darwinism and what he wrote he darwin an anglican minister on on his graduation
tour they're not even remotely similar and not not what uh what Lamarck what Lamarck did
extraordinary work and the whole field of epigenetics is the work of uh of Lamarck
but whenever you take the work of and of Lamarck of of of uh of bachon of bernard and of louis
pastore and if you condense those together you you really got a very very solid model
and and people were you know the medical uh community in the united states is trying to argue
that okay well like these works don't relate to one another that they're conflicting and i'm going
they're not conflicting they're perfectly complementary they they they work together
like interlocking fingers but then whenever you come back and the early works that i did
in the early research was and everything that i do is anti-aging and tissue and organ regeneration
it's always been i started that path in 1972 always been my focus everything that we discuss today
falls within that focus okay well then you go well wait a minute what happens with why do they have
all of these cancers i had a illuminating conversation with a um with a this was a global
director of infectious disease and uh and and a couple of days ago and we were discussing he was
from um from africa and he was discussing that when in the early 70s that when he was
working there in a hospital before he came to the u.s that he that that he was treating cancers
and um and that now he was over at the same medical school hospital
a few months ago on assignment for by a u.s organization that he's he's over there and he
said that the the wards in the hospital were flooded with cancer patients but the cancers that
he was seeing now were not the same type of cancers that he saw in 19 in the early 1970s
nor did they respond the same they were different different types of cancers and
and his comment to that was in a paper that i had written specifically about this the difference in
historical cancers versus modern man-made cancers they're very different they're completely
different completely radically different why aren't these things addressed why isn't this
the common conversation in the media and in the and in politics and in the medical community
and of course the answer is is that they don't want to address the issues they don't want to
address the fundamentals and what they want to do is prescribe drugs and to treat cancers with
these different types of chemotherapy agents and ionizing radiation and in in immunotherapy
compounds what does that fix the problem well obviously not and um and then whenever you see
the ashes of these people that if they do survive the treatments well most of them are just really
messed up and so when you come back to medical ethics they i try not to engage in politics
i try to i strive for truth and for accuracy without any political agenda whatsoever
but back to your comment Charles earlier in the prelude there you were referencing
referencing these ideological issues and the reason that things are the way they are
in the united states is exactly that and the reason that trump was elected was as a blowback
to how crazy things had gotten and the reason that um that Bobby Kennedy is in the position
that he's in right now is because of the level of untruth and and it is his job to try to bring
truth to this now how much are they allowed to do this well and uh again i've not heard Bobby Kennedy
say one thing that i haven't lectured on for these these past 47 years i've i've i've it's literally
like he is reading uh transcripts from my lectures and reading my writings and everything that he has
said thus far so i certainly you know can't say anything negative about it as a matter of fact i'm
what i'm saying is thank goodness it's finally time fine and um and so and and then brings back
to another topic about translations etymological translations of time you know and there were um
in how the yesteryear in biblical time there were actually two different words that were used there
one was chronos one was peteros two completely radical different philosophical constructs
pranos okay you got a chronograph you got a watch right measures time as it moves what is time
time is a subscription to the second law of thermodynamics where water flows downhill
time flows downhill and those things are you know you can look at them and and and see these
keros is very very different keros in biblical terms was a period of time wasn't time it was a
period of time and so the keros of a person's life was from the time they were born until the
time that they die right or from they and these were demarcations of time
the new millennium is a keros right where you have this period of time in order to effectuate
something well you could uh you could come back and say well you know the um there was this
keros there from like the 1860s until until recently of the age of physics where you had
max plank and eisenberg and um and and and and and coming back to einstein and all of the great
luminaries of physics well you know what that they had this time period where it was just
absolutely amazing amazing uh transformation and thought well that's kind of been out of the way
because we've now entered into this era of censorship though imagine my frustration
whenever i go out and i pick up you know and i glance a hundred peer-reviewed medical publications
that is published in major journals you know like harvard you know this is from harvard
medical school new england journal of medicine landsat uh nature and the the large journals
and i glance at stuff and i get two sentences into it and i'm going it's not true
if they're saying one thing it's not true they're what in the other parts of the paper are true as
well we're right back to the work of uh dr kelly with this inverse uh with these inverse algorithms
proving okay is the math correct when there is a the there is no partial credit for math irrespective
of the number of variables in the mathematical equation in real life there is you don't get
partial credit whenever the rocket ship leaves from cape canaveral and it's going to mars
and then deploying the mars rover you have hundreds of thousands millions of variables in there
of you know mostly of euclidean geometry and when you look at that if you get one of them wrong
you know what happens that spaceship is not going to land and that mars rover is not going to be
sending the pictures back to earth that's exactly the way the human body works in terms of
of quote medicine you get one thing wrong and it's not going to work properly well what are the
one things wrong and you can come back keep going excuse me keep going no i just saw him was unmuted
and and you can come back and you can look at the same thing and go wait a minute what is aging
actually had this conversation a few days ago with a friend who has developed a i did engineering
back 20 years ago on a technology that was a biomass energy generator made prodigious
quantities of energy just with any sort of waste biomass and it's a wonderful
device that he built and he was telling me about how he's up to with this new technology that he's
implemented he's up to 99.4 efficiency in his combustion cycle and that's measuring the
the particulate matter and things like that in the affluent
i gave him the exact parallel and corollary to this conversation that that is specifically
what disease and aging is what we're doing what we're doing really is we're measuring
the affluent of the metabolic waste byproducts okay is this the way that the combustion cycle
oh let's just say for one thing like in the crub cycle which is what it used to be and it went to
the one carbon cycle and the what citric acid cycle i think they're calling it now and and and
this is of of adenosine triphosphate generation for energy of the cell right so and and bear in
mind that the ATP generation is a phosphorylated process well so whenever things don't work
properly and when you don't have 100 efficiency in the oxid these are oxidative and phosphorylated
so it and whenever you don't have 100 efficiency well you got these metabolic waste
you got metabolic waste guess what that translates into aging
that's literally what it is
and back to that concept of time of chronos people make this this uh perception that's not very
that's not very accurate that that whenever a person has another birthday in another cycle
around the sun they put another candle on a birthday cake they're older you know they're
chronologically older but how does that translate to biologically older and then the argument can
come back and say well yeah but but look you even have a rock ages and go no a rock doesn't age
a rock weathers and there is a difference between aging and weathering and a difference between
biological aging and rock weathering because that rock weathering is not an organic process
and and and and so it these become very very interesting and illuminating uh philosophical
constructs so the patriarchs of the torah it's what i modeled everything on back in
you know in the early 70s so you really only have about three different uh perceptions there of these
patriarchs like noah living to almost a thousand years of age like 964 years old
that either one it's myth that they didn't two is they didn't count years the same or
um it is true back to my um the the 39.5 39.6 years of average life expectancy in the u.s in 1900
i had three one two three i had four of my uh great aunts that were my grandmother's sisters
that were born in the 1800s and they lived to 104 and 105 years of age
wait a minute i thought the average life expectancy was 39.5 years of age in 1900
well yeah i had they lived 104 and 105 this uh uh
these things are very real and the the statistics don't tell the truth and so
yeah there is a um people think that whenever they say health care and they talk about oh my
doctor is real nice and he's a really nice friendly guy and you go okay well that means
okay well that means he has good bedside manner just good does good bedside manner does that
translate to competence does that translate to his ability to correct these underlying probe
problems or is he simply somebody who is a nice caring person but yet is a pawn of the system
and people think and they're conditioned to think that the doctor is their friend and that
he's out there to help them and that the health care system is there to make them not be sick
and go okay well well that's a wonderful fairy tale
um but is it anything other than a fairy tale is that not the myth
because you can easily look at all of this and politics aside from it
you can easily look to see back to this biblical avarice where you know people say that
all the love of money is the root of all evil and go no it's not
you know these biblical forms of avarice is the root of all evil but that is unbridled hubris
of arrogance and the unbridled lust for power for control and for money and when you put all four
those things together that's what you got now oh but then you want to see the synergistic relationship
to the unbridled hubris unbridled lust for power for control and money add ignorance into that
equation and then that is an exponential factor and so here we are
very good if ignorance is bliss meryl how come so many people are depressed
oh
oh this is bliss how come so many people are unhappy meryl thank you for that tour de force
of the last one hour and 20 minutes most most enjoyable um steven's going to have the first
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and the pedophilia and as you were talking about that journey of humanity in the 900 plus years of
you know people living a long time which i certainly believe in and my plan is to work
till i'm 125 um it it reminds me of of 500 years ago in in italy the norm was to get married at 13
years of age girls got married at 13 years of age interesting um the other question i don't
don't comment on this but i just make the observation meryl with you're waiting on
five papers to be peer reviewed i wouldn't trust peer reviewed if you if you threw it at me
anymore and i understand it's it's peer reviews peer reviews are nothing but rubber stamps
but the journal want to see them yeah now that's it's simply and and steven i think we had someone
come here and and talk about setting up an alternative you know publication system to
get rid of the nonsense of peer review but you know the it is it is nonsensical and it is a
rubber stamp and it's and in institutions they're reciprocal rubber stamps it's like okay you
rubber stamp my paper and i'll rubber stamp your paper nice and that's literally what it is
um and last question before we go to steven we've had professor ian bryant hope and other people
here i've asked the question you know and i ask you this question how much to what to what extent
is a percentage in your view with all the study you've done to what extent do we understand the
functioning of the human cell of each cell in our bodies how much do we understand it
not even enough to even scratch the surface he and bright hope said less than one percent
oh far less than one percent okay so everybody how about a how about a millionth of one percent
well and um just like um there was a a new um a particle um uh you know intracellular
particle it was just discovered a week ago and it was called a hemisphere something like that
because they don't know what it is it is it is a component a cellular component that is smaller
than is theoretically allowed so he said okay well we don't know what this is
but it works and it's actually carrying on these functions that you know in um in vitro functions
and so we know it's carrying on then in vivo functions but we don't know what it is because
we've never even seen before not much less even heard of it yeah and answering your question there
more explicitly i was interviewed about about 10 years ago um um to on a b12 metabolism project
this is university of texas and uh and they the the principal investigator called me up
interviewed me for two hours and said oh my goodness you know more about b12 metabolism than
anybody i've ever talked with and you're going to be the subject matter expert i'm going oh
totally cool you know because this is multi-institutional and multi-national
and a research program and so i dove headfirst into it and the over the that was the first
week of june and we finished the project i finished i finished up over the christmas
holiday so that's what seven months later and i realized then that when i started that project
i knew every single thing that there was it was published about b12 metabolism i knew one thimble
full of knowledge in that ocean of b12 metabolism and when i finished the project
seven months later i knew maybe one gallon out of that proverbial ocean
again not even a grain of sand on the beach it's that complicated it's that complex and a few weeks
a few months ago i actually had the enormous pleasure of having a um a medical doctor call
me he's in uh pennsylvania uh called me up and we had a three-hour conversation about vitamin d
delta metabolism it's exactly the same parallel it is that complex and and and these all are
corollaries to your question there how much do we understand about yes so and the answer is
we don't even have a rudimentary understanding and so but you still have people out there that are
that are in all of this arrogance you know and i learned that uh you know 40 years ago that
you know i refuse to even deal with anybody that has the slightest trace of arrogance
because it is the sign of intellectual immaturity and i want to deal with the best and the brightest
and the brightest on the planet and i diligently seek out people from anywhere in the world any
walk of life i don't care who it is and it is as long as they can contribute to the conversation
beautiful okay stephen over to you thank you thank you meryl great work so meryl can you
unpick this conundrum so um we you remember on that call the other night in on on sunday
and tim kelly's method was criticized by one of the participants as unscientific um so i just wanted
to uh so yeah so i said well it depends whether you have much respect for science so on the one
hand you've got concord which can fly at 69 000 feet or could fly at 69 000 feet before they took
it out of action uh at mac 2.2 and that can be reproduced apart from one time in paris when the
when the concord crashed but on the other hand we have absolutely no understanding as far as i can
see like a thimbleful of how the universe came about and how complex we are as human beings and
as charles said i can't remember what professor bright's hope had said but his understand our
understanding of what was it cell something to do with the cell and you said oh very very small so i
agree with you when it comes to biology and medicine it seems to be that science is you know
very very shaky and so the criticism of the ai the other night that it was of the method you
know of tim kelly's method that it was unscientific um i'm kind of so but on the other hand you see
we can reproduce the science of concord for example so they can get the plane flying
consistently at 69 000 feet at 2.2 mac 2.2 times the speed of sound
and the and the plane actually expands more than a meter or expanded more than a meter in the course
of a flight um a long flight so um and that can be coped with as well so i'm struggling with you know
sometimes science is impressive it is and but most of the time it's very unimpressive when it comes to
explanation of the universe and how we came about and you know matter is neither created nor destroyed
according to i think that's right yes so so how the heck did anything come about when there was
no matter to begin with well this becomes the beautiful ontological arguments that i love to
sit around and drink a glass of red wine and have some cheese and have the those type of discussions
what you're asking is something that i'm currently engaged in you're you're asking a a question about
aeronautical engineering see humans are not very smart humans are very clever and there's a
do the vast gulf of difference between those two they're not smart we're clever and like medical
doctors at i consult for hundreds of medical doctors around the world a lot of them college
professors and um and they asked me a question about a patient that's about a patient and um and
it's always complex cases and so then i start explaining say no no no just tell me the answer
go so then they take that answer and then they try to apply it to a thousand other people and
it doesn't work well you know the uh the case with a concord at flying at mach 2.2 those are very very
well defined physics that narrow range of physics that narrow range of material science and that
narrow range of thermodynamics and of laminar flow across the wings and the lift and you know and all
of those things are well defined that you can see and you can easily visualize um i've been doing for
the past three weeks i've been doing uh hyperbaric chamber design with um i've hired a friend of mine
who's a um he has a master's of mechanical engineering at mit and you know fantastic
mechanical structural design engineer and i have him working with me and i'm doing this and
and it's very very refreshing to do it the reason why is because it's known
highly defined physics and material sciences right there we can calculate the yield strength
we can calculate you know the notch toughness of the metal we can calculate all of that stuff
because it's all published right there in front of you and uh and all of those are you know and
how do they develop it well they take a piece of uh steel and they take it and they put a they
put it up against uh you know two blocks and then they press it with a known quantity of
force so they can these things are very very straightforward and it's nice to do these
straightforward mathematical equations because it takes the guesswork away from it
well whatever you're coming back and you're discussing medical science or you're discussing
how the universe came about the well those are not straightforward and um and i'm so so we ought to
separate the two you know the possible the spectrum from science which is uh like the
aeronautical science that you're talking about and and say the biological science so that we
ought to be able to admit the biological science is very very difficult and you know it's a bit
like trying to explain the universe so um yeah but when it comes to aeronautical engineering what
you're saying we're creating our own science and making it kind of understandable by man and then
no what we're doing is we're taking this little bitty piece right here that can be analytically
measured sure and then we can and then we can play with these defined measurements
you see we're taking the guesswork out of it because they're all easily measured and it's as
as quantified now then whenever you're talking about going back into that ontological realm
and you're talking about the difference between literally between the laws of physics there in
the second law first law of thermodynamics which i i agree with 100 matter can neither be created
nor destroyed only transformed and it's matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed only
transformed so how did the universe has the universe have always been then or how do you say
it was created how do you think it was created if matter can neither be created nor destroyed
well it's because one of the the thing that i have thought since i was a young child is that the most
inherent lack of understanding in in my brain and i think in all human
mental constructs is the concept of infinity yes you know what what came before this what happens
you know and and so you can have those uh those philosophical debates which are fun these are
these are really fun but there is no definitive answer because it can't be so not be quantifiably
measured so meryl and so i just remembered something so the universe you know some people
say that it's expanding well if it's expanding then it's finite isn't it
and but it could be but some people say it's infinite and therefore and again we can't
conceive of you can come back and you can say that because of gravita of gravitational lensing and
things like that that um that that space curves back upon itself because so when it's expanding
it's going around in a circle to come back you know you can go down through all of these
intellectual uh exercises in theoretical physics but you still don't know you don't know because
they're unable to be quantified so now what i what i have observed is exactly this is when i develop
that model in 1976 of of envirogenetics that which we've been discussing tangentially today
that i couldn't balance the equations using second law of thermodynamics which states that
you know that um that all processes of nature tend towards lowest energy and highest entropy
well bear in mind that information is a form of of energy right and tend towards chaos don't they
tend towards chaos entropy and chaos is is is a form of entropy yes that becomes the loss of
information and information and order energy implies order within the systems as well
and but energy and information is a form of energy and it is a form of order so and you think that
some human beings like to mislead other human beings by kind of quoting from the successes of
human beings such as the motor car for example and the and the and you know the jet engine and the
planes flying all over the world and very few crashes these days in i think 1917 sorry 2017
was the first year when well i can't believe it ever happened but apparently i heard that in 2017
it was the first year when there were no uh air disasters anywhere in the world uh in civil
aviation you know it seems improbable you know in china and nigeria and everywhere but but anyway
it's getting pretty safe so you can fly around in in the uk and u.s and very few crashes these days
but so the people get invited to believe that science is wonderful you know and scientists know
everything but i don't think that's the case i think it i am says wonderful and scientists
anybody that thinks that they know anything at all is deceiving themselves and are lost in arrogance
ignorance um i fully subscribe to the socratic principle and um and you know what socrates said
was is only one thing that i even pretend to know and that is i know nothing therefore i question
everything the only thing that i know is that i know nothing i know how to calculate meryl did
you write the script did you write the script for manuel in faulty towers i know nothing
and you see i can sit there and i can calculate the um you know the d stresses i can do 3d solid
modeling you know with long hand uh on and calculate all of the stresses on a hyperbaric
chamber well i know how to do that okay okay so i know how to do that i know how to push a lawnmower
and mow the grass i know how to fix the lawnmower engine i know how to do those things well what is
that in the the grand scheme of things yeah it is you know i mean you can't avoid death even you can't
and even charles can't avoid death so and and and i want to be i try to be the absolute best
without a close second the best in the world at what i do but the thing is is that i know
that what i do you remember we were talking the other day steven about about the forms of dunning
krueger and about that the the third and and and widely undiscussed form of the dunning krueger
effect in psychiatry is the imposter syndrome yeah and and so that is where the highest information
person that there is that of the world acclaimed person and then they're sitting there going
okay well why am i getting these accolades because i know i don't even know what's happening
yes and and but yet you'll have a low information person that watches a a six second sound bite on
cnn that is disinformation and then they think in their arrogance that they have some sort of
insight into anything yes and you know these are radically different you know uh yeah uh
perceptions so when i was trying to develop the the field of envirogenetics will and the
and jar the envirogenetics theory of disease model of disease i couldn't balance the equations
it wouldn't work because it does not subscribe to the second law of thermodynamics and so i
realize that as brilliant as these guys were that wrote the second law it's incomplete because what
it does is it only addresses the the cycle of entropy i refer to it as the entropic cycle
but i'm going oh wait a minute all you're doing is you're saying that water's flowing downhill and
times and in time is flowing downhill but that's incomplete so now or there to be entropy well there
has to be negative entropy yes it's the same as having a plus one you got to have a minus one in
order to equal zero yes becomes homeostasis again right um oh sorry have you carry on finish if you
want yeah and so therefore whenever you start looking at this and you say oh wait a minute
we're only describing one of the cycles of uh of the second law of thermodynamics the other cycle
is the negative entropy which i call centropy and the centropic cycle and that centropic cycle then
has it is non-linear it does not have time flowing downhill time can can stop time can
stop time can flow forward time can flow backwards and non-linearity bear in mind that all
quantum physics is non-linear and so you could extrapolate from that that quantum physics really
is cohered matter and um and that whenever matter decoheres it comes into
three-dimensional classical physics and then you can look at all of these things and say that okay
well and this is the illumination that i had on this back decades ago i realized that as a chemist
that and which is where i started my career that there is no such thing as chemistry
um that it's it's all physics it's just a sub-discipline of sub-discipline of physics
and all it is is flows of energy we're right back to energy again and in that first law of
thermodynamics well it's just a different form of energy and we can and we can make that energy
do all kinds of different things because we're clever we don't know why it's happening but
happening but necessarily but we can do it and um and hey i learned how in in the early 1970s to
make all of these novel synthetic molecules that never existed that we know of in history well i
can make them i don't know what i'm doing but i could i and back then i didn't know anything at
all about what i was doing but i could still make them and thought it was cool wow look at this i
can make this stuff it never existed before well i started doing recombinant dna and nuclear
transfers back then wow look at this we can we can do this artificial modification and cloning a cow
and um and with this nuclear transfer still didn't know what we were doing but now the thing is
somewhere along the way i'm studying photosynthesis and saying okay well photosynthesis
defies literally everything you know i mean it it certainly defies all of the principles of chemistry
that you know that no chemical reaction can be complete and there's always an initiation and an
end it's a period of time involved in the reaction well photosynthesis photosynthesis
defies both of those laws of chemistry and and then you go why does it defy the laws
well then if you really look at it you say that's because this is this is cohered this is a cohere
quantum reaction that's non-linear and because and then it becomes catalysis these are catalytic
reactions and when a catalytic reaction is you know if it's by a if it's an inorganic chemical
it's called a catalyst like in your catalytic converter of your car
but if it's a catalyst that's made by a biological organism well it's called an enzyme yeah so
exactly the same thing yeah and and if you look at what the that definition is that's a okay the
catalyst is something that initiates or accelerates a chemical reaction without itself
participating in the reaction nor being consumed by the reaction well then but then whenever you
look at it you go well wait a minute that doesn't subscribe to the laws of three-dimensional classical
physics these are non-linear reactions and that's the reason that they work the way they do
it's not unlike quantum tunneling it's not like you know einstein's theoretical wormhole
you know where you and what he said was that wormhole wasn't that you're tunneling through
the universe from this point in space to the other point in space that you're actually taking the two
points in space and you're putting them to bending it over and putting it together and then
making a connection right there between them and that has a you know an infinite distance
and so but you can see exactly the same thing and and literally my perception of this is that
I'm looking at you right now and I can see cohere matter and I can see cohere
de-cohere matter and de-cohere energy forms the matter you know and that's again by our best
regulation that matter the thing that we see in 3d classical physics is simply condensed matter
condensed I mean condensed energy condensed energy becomes matter and these are are as all
de-coherence yeah it's cohered yeah so sorry um at merrill I wanted to ask you this so
when I was 18 I think it was or it might have been 19 I don't know I read um you know Leonard
Wolf is the husband of um was the husband of course of Virginia Wolf who was the fantastic
English writer yes and she committed suicide sadly but she was absolutely brilliant um but
anyway he so he's the husband and they were both members of the Bloomsbury group in London so
Bloomsbury is part of London and so anyway he I remembered this quote weirdly and I just wondered
what you make of this quote okay so can you break it down for us though that if you can the credulity
of human beings is so gigantic and unquenchable that not only do millions of them believe in
the dictates of an older gentleman in Rome about contraceptives but they also believe he is in
direct communication with the deity which created the universe stars and infinite space
I'm sorry we're gonna we're gonna Merrill we got a problem because we've had 20 minutes that was
it that's a two hour that's a three hour conversation statement we've got two hands up and we're
done with one question anyway this is the second question so the do you want to read that quote again
I really didn't know that the credulity of human beings is so gigantic and unquenchable that not
only do millions of them believe in the dictates of an old gentleman in Rome about contraceptives
but they also believe that he the old gentleman in Rome is in direct communication with the deity
which created the universe the stars and infinite space he wrote that
he wrote that
the thing about it is
they uh I had that perhaps the the most incredible course I ever had in I've been going to to
university for 53 years now I take courses every semester I've gone to five different
universities in the past two years including Cambridge and Oxford and and so I take these
courses continually and the best course that I think I ever had was a a graduate course and
archaeology anthropology and it was comparative religions
it was studying exactly those type of questions that is the from all of these indigenous
populations around the world and comparing and contrasting their belief systems back with the
five universalizing religions and fascinating you know because they you know there's not a whole
lot of difference fundamentally underneath them they have the same platform and but but then
they have these things that the religious the groups then start making all of these different
laws and everything and rules and regulations that create the difference but underneath they're
the same thank you and and and and in finalizing that comment if you want to read things that
are very very real and this is in the the realm of semiotics of of symbols and symbolic language
um uh Joseph Campbell and his uh he did a you know guy who's a professor of uh of uh of anthropology
and cultural anthropology and a gazillion different universities and um and his lecture series was
called the power of myth it's about that uh that mythology in its symbolic which is you know all
poetry is all written in symbolic language the Greek myths and and what symbolic language really
you know what it really means because it's it's not just literal interpretations but it's the
you know double entendres and the allegories all right come on stop you're taking too long
to answer questions we're never gonna finish he's joking Meryl we're great we're finishing it you
are terrific we've got 25 minutes to go we've got two hands up you've had 25 minutes already Stephen
and you know we could Meryl you're quite right we can go for hours we haven't got hours so Stephen
thank you for that we have Tom then Carl Adine and both of them have important issues to raise
Tom okay thanks um yeah I pick up um I looked at your bio again and I saw the first presentation
and you know you got in engineering and oh boy I got a timer going off here
Jesus Christ I'm just gonna let it go anyhow engineering and um material science physics
biology and so forth the hyperbaric chambers so you really get down to earth on those and
sounds like they're doing like traffic management what are you doing Tom I'm I was cooking
okay that's awesome yeah I'm not in my normal household right now I'm taking this is my last
time taking care of these animals here um what about the brass tacks stuff on the hyperbaric
chambers how long have you been doing that did you watch over time the introduction of computing
and do you have control systems for these things is there a I know they're large um I'm also
interested in the experience of the human inside like are there some non-obvious things like if I
tried to go after a bit boil water or something inside the chamber you know what how does the
how do people experience it physically when they're inside and then what's the mechanism
for healing that you speculate as far as like the brain injuries and so so forth well I'll
try to digest that real quickly one I've been doing this since back in the 1960s I've been
really involved in hyperbaric medicine if you will since 1972 and for not just the stuff that
you hear about but most of the things that I do you don't hear about and much of it's not even
published um two is if you want to read a complete synopsis of this um you can
um I there is a paper that I wrote as a several years ago for handouts to
medical for medical doctors to hand out to their patients the name of it is called modern day
miracles and it's under my name on x or I can drop a link to y'all drop a drop a link man
that'd be good and and it is uh but it is modern day miracles
okay and I won't even expound we don't have time for me to tell you what the the the
illustration of the miracles because they are miraculous can you give me something believe them
one one or two factoids about you know like compare a submarine you know the the design
of a submarine versus a hyperbaric it's inverse it's in the physics are inversed
and and uh and what about the operate do you have one human that's watching this process
I assume you also have somebody monitoring it uh because it's very dangerous oh no I invented a
technology that is the next generation beyond hyperbaric oxygen therapy I developed it for
neuro regeneration for the U.S. military back in 2006 and then I have multiple patents on it
and these are 50 person chambers that can treat 1200 people per day
okay and so it's pretty much automated a little bit of I can do it from uh from both a manual
a one person manual up to 50 person completely automated it doesn't you know and but
there's a lot of different forms of hyperbarics and the definition under the typical medical
FDA guidelines for their definition of hyperbaric oxygen therapy I don't even really do it
because it has value I mean profound value um and the um but um well what I do is again
neuro regeneration that's what my whole thing is you know what's the mechanism Tom asked the
question what's the mechanism in in short form why does oxygen under pressure have such a wonderful
impact well it's because uh okay let me take real quick get back to the second law of thermodynamics
right you know all processes of nature tend towards the uh the highest concentration the
lowest concentration so whenever you apply um the hyperbaric gas and it could be any gas
it's going for pushing it into your lungs it's then going to diffuse it creates a tissue
diffusion gradient between the avially in your lungs and then into your bloodstream and then
from your bloodstream across the uh the cells lining the blood vessels into the tissues
and um and therefore into the cells well whenever a baby is born you have
the your uh capillary beds the lining the of the of the capillary beds are supposed to be completely
transparent to the diffusion of oxygen well you could describe that a whole lot of the
you know the processes of aging comes back to um advanced glycation in products this is caused by
having um these are technical definitions of of enzymatic glycosylation versus non-enzymatic
glycation that that go through a series of reactions of nalard schiff anamidory
reactions that form these particles in the bloodstream whenever you do an example of that is
um whenever you a common blood test is hemoglobin a1c
too and and then what it does is it measures your average blood sugar across a 24-hour period times
90 days well and then you can yeah i can i can elaborate for hours on all of these
dynamics but what this is is and i've asked this questions at lectures at medical schools for
decades and not one single medical doctor even knows this stuff i don't know any of it and um
but um it is the um it literally comes back to and you could describe the the components of the
immune system into the red blood cells and by uh by extension the lining of the blood vessels
with all of these um uh non-enzymatic um uh glycation so they don't fold correctly right
these are these are not natural and they uh they occur at exponential uh rates whenever you
whenever your blood sugar gets above x that's the reason that it's related to diabetes
and more specifically to type 2 diabetes and and then back to uh the the deal that you know from
sunday when the uh the question was asked um the inverse engine about the uh uh saturated fat
causing cardiovascular disease and the and the conclusion of that was no it's hyperinsulinia
that doesn't have anything to do with saturated fats or cholesterol that it's hyperinsulinia
well we're just that's what we're discussing right here so the hyperinsulinia then is coating
is causing the formation of these compounds then and then it floats around and it coats all of the
immune cells that's the reason that people with diabetes become and hyperinsulinia become
immunocompromised you know you have a non-healing diabetic ulcer you have a scratch on your leg and
it doesn't heal because it because the immune system is goofed up with stuff and it can't
function well at the same time oxygen can't diffuse directly into the capillary beds
cannot diffuse directly into the tissues because these become mechanical blockages that's really
analogous to varnish like a polyurethane varnish because it becomes a multifractal that is uh you
know that that becomes interlocked with uh polymeric cross-linking and at the end stage
of these reactions well you can't get through it anymore the oxygen simply can't diffuse into the
tissues so you end up with systemic hypoxia lack of oxygen system-wide including in the brain you
have systemic hypoxia i use hyperbaric oxygen therapy as a fundamental tool
simply driving the oxygen through all the mechanical blockages to get it where it
belongs to get it to where it needs to be by the establishment of the diffusion gradient
and so that's that's a simplistic explanation i'm done but um how much of it is in the actual ramp
up and ramp down of the pressure like how long do you keep people at the high pressure i'm imagining
the gradient is there as you accelerate to the high pressure or come out of it well that is
well-defined physics under the u.s navy guide u.s navy guide tables is what we use
and so the and so therefore you have two two three different variables within that equation
one is the the the actual pressure right and two is the so you got the barometric pressure you got
the the partial pressure of the gas and then you have the duration those are your three primary
things right but then the the reason for for this is because then if you're breathing nitrogen
inhaling nitrogen well then you have retained nitrogen and you can have nitrogen narcosis
at too high a pressure and you can have the bends you know decompression dive decompression
illness if the if you decompress too rapidly after being at depth and then you have the
nitrogen is bubbling out of the bloodstream and it forms large bubbles and and and and
goes up in the in certain joints and such and causes intense pain and and a lot of problems
and then on the other hand you can have central nervous system toxicity from from having too much
oxygen there and or you can have repetitive oxidative stress because the bear in mind that
these are oxidative reactions they're not antioxidants you got two different things
in chemistry is reduction in oxidation right these are oxidation and and but the chemistry
gets very involved in this too and i mean it actually comes back to the same level of
regulating within very very narrow parameters the ph of your blood and which is you know all of these
chemistries and the regulation methodologies within the human body is just extraordinary
and and it all comes back to ph and it comes back to energy flows again all right tom we're
going to move on thank you meryl we've got carladean then daria and then steven we'll finish with one
of your last questions carladean thanks tom um i was thank you so much charles i
i'm a physician uh and i just discovered hyperbaric uh here in our area just within the last
few months actually um because certainly in medical school they don't even mention the word
uh and where and uh and carladean um oh where are you located right in the middle of the
united states kansas city missouri ah okay and um okay i'm sorry for interrupting no no no
what else did you want to say i just go ahead and your question my question is this uh do you use
different asthmat theory uh asthma asthmapheric pressures uh for different types of clinical
presentations in other words do you if you have a pulmonary fibrosis do you have the same use the
same atmosphere in your hyperbaric that you do maybe with a neurological issue thank you for
asking that question because uh medical doctors are notorious for going out and buying a chamber
and throwing everybody in the chamber and doing exactly it it's putting one pair of the same pair
of spandex uh pants on a 100 pound person or a 300 pound person right one size does not fit all
and um that's not a very pretty picture that's not a very pretty picture
and uh well one of the things that we learned uh back uh you know i learned as many many decades
ago um the the philosophy was more is better well i started out as a pharmacological chemist and of
course you got area under the pharmacological curve on everything right and you know it's the
it's the principle of hormesis you know applies to all pharmacotherapy right what what speciality do
you do i'm in family practice and i did a sub specialty in diabetes and so i've seen diabetes
diabetics oh oh okay okay well then you know exactly what i was referring to then and um and
they um so there was the you know that philosophy of more is better is untrue and uh and a classic
case of more is better is um in methylene blue methylene blue it's been uh it's now
become a thing right we started using methylene blue back i was in i don't know i started using
it for ick out in my aquarium when i was eight years old and so it's been around for a long long
time 150 years now it's become the rage and i'm seeing so much disinformation and so many people
are being sickened by it like with uh serotonin uh toxicity because it is uh a uh essentially the
same pharmacology as the selective serotonin reuptake and either and uh which is one of the
reasons it makes you feel good right and um they um but it has the the highest or medic curve of
any chemical i've ever seen before so and and of course the definition for the non-doctors here is
the um the definition of hormesis is that a chemical reaction the pharmacological um reaction
is that you have three different zones from an uh from a concentration of a chemical exposure
zone one has no apparent effect zone two has an effect and zone three has the opposite effect of
zone two so at specific doses you will have one effect like uh uh at like with methylene blue at
like 0.5 grams per kilogram body weight you'll have a strong reducing the reduction of action
and then whenever you go to zone three whenever you get up to you know it's like two milligrams
per i mean yeah at two milligrams per 0.5 versus uh two well then you it becomes a very very strong
oxidant and uh you know vitamin c uh works exactly the same way as discovered by linus pauling years
ago and and so hyperbaric oxygen therapy is work it is exactly the same thing because you're having
pharmacological doses here so whenever you and and let me give you two examples that
answer your question succinctly in order to break the uh the irreversible covalent bonds of of uh
carbon monoxide poisoning bear in mind that carbon monoxide is oxidative so you're making an
oxidative reaction and binding the hemoglobin in with you know um and and this
and it converts in an oxidized state it converts hemoglobin to methemoglobin methemoglobin can't
transport oxygen efficiently which is the reason that people die of hypoxia right from carbon
monoxide poisoning in order to break those irreversible covalent bonds i can throw somebody
in the hyperbaric chamber at 3.0 at a and 100 02 and break those bonds well um and so it works
it is the frontline treatment for carbon monoxide poisoning less than one percent of carbon monoxide
poisoning patients receive the of the the proper hyperbaric oxygen therapy because it's
really not even a lot of um of um hyperbaric a lot of doctors around that have 3.0 at a chambers
right because it requires 3.0 at a dose which is different doses different than pressure and um and
so then back to your question about neurological issues well whenever we started doing the studies
back decades ago well we and this is for the military it's where we were doing the studies
and we found out that whenever we got down to 1.55 at a was where we had the uh in 100
percent or two is where we had the most profound effects for neurological regeneration but then
what i did was in 2006 i you know i was thinking through the whole thing that we were discussing
earlier today about you know epigenetic regulation of gene expression and and so you know calculating
the in the enzymatic reactions and so i invented a technology that is really
it's the next stage of technological evolution beyond hyperbaric oxygen therapy that works
extraordinarily effectively for neuro regeneration and physiologically it's almost opposite from
hyperbaric oxygen therapy so do you treat just about anything in your practice that i do
excuse me do you practice and do you have a clinical application for hyperbaric for patients
in the words as you said one size never fits all they're all every one of them so do you use it for
Alzheimer's do you use it for Parkinson's do you have to be used for lung do you use it
okay so so you have a clinical application for the hyperbaric therapy yes and we also have just a
general wellness application but the different things general wellness you know you know running
in about um four p four psi gauge about one dot three at a and it works very effectively just as
a general wellness um does it work at uh effectively for like in that case of carbon monoxide poisoning
no it doesn't um does it work for Alzheimer's not nearly as effectively as using the correct dose
um but the the thing there is i was saying uh dr graves is that we don't
it's nothing but a tool to me it's a to me it's a tool but a fundamental tool and it's like building
a house in order to drive the first nail and when you're trying to build a house you got to have a
hammer but just because you have a hammer doesn't mean you can build a house you have to have all of
the other stuff how do you think that it is it works on uh fibrosis uh pulmonary fibrosis which
pulmonary fibrosis um it it works extremely effectively with pulmonary fibrosis especially
when combined with the correct nutrients does it help with does it i'm consulting on a for a
an internist now at a major hospital who has pulmonary fibrosis induced by
radiotherapy for breast cancer right um okay i had another question and now i can't remember
what it was and i i consult for i consult for medical doctors that's what i do mainly good i
will ask carladean carladean get into it we've got daria and um i you know i just want to say i will
ask steven for your contact then doctor thank you that's all i was going to say yeah that's that's
well worth doing and meryl well beautifully explained now we've got daria and then we'll
come back to steven and we'll finish thank you carladean hello dr holly so good to see you again
uh it's always fascinating hey how are you great uh happy to have a chance to chat i had i was
out running errands so gave me some time to think about what to ask you about i was intrigued by
your uh bringing up the point about cancer and the thought the question i had was a lot of uh
theories are going around now that cancer is related to parasites and i was trying to wrap my
head around you know are parasites cancer or is cancer parasites you know doing that inverse
hypothesis idea but it seems to me both of those are a uh end result those those overwhelming
infections or cancers appear to be an end result of a failure of the immune system controls and
when one looks at all these different variables that you were talking about i've had this idea
that uh or sense i have a sense that we know there's a gut immune system connection we know
there's a brain yeah and we know there's a brain immune system connection absolutely and we know
there's a brain gut absolutely that's so with the autonomic nervous system and what's amazing
about that is you can't really wander from the brain without also looking at the mind
and that means that things like post-traumatic stress disorder appear i mean just again this
is the way my logic was taking me to the ear bones connected to the toe bone absolutely
everything's connected so knowing that uh that there there's this axis and how medicine has
gotten so compartmentalized that people stop seeing they have all these blinders on to see
how things connect and it's just amazing when you put them all together you see things like
hyperbaric oxygen you know what i used beamer is is what i promote and how synergistic they are
because they're both helping with oxygenation and blood flow and then the body's remarkable
miraculous capacity to repair itself can step in and it has all the optimum tools it needs to do
that once you add in the nutritional factor and so what i was wondering was what is your thought
about this you know my main question was a cancer parasite but i just want to tell you i was really
excited about all those connections that you were making and how i've been looking at that too
and how that could affect spiritual so steven i got a bone to pick with you about that guy's quote
later hey um yeah you can contact me anytime feel free any of any of y'all feel free to contact me
and i'm always interested in having a an intelligent conversation um yeah i've been
blessed with having some real smart people let me hang out with them so i kind of like try to
you know osmose this and um but uh your um uh question was about parasites and cancer the
link between them and there's a lot of uh comment about that of late um and it has been
you know for the past 50 odd years but my rhetorical question comes back to
what is the definition of a parasite
yes and we know a thimbleful diary remember we know a thimbleful that's the whole point we know
so little um thomas aquinas wrote he wrote this ginormous multi-thousand tome called theologica
it's like in five volumes and at the end of he goes it was his life's work and i think he goes
uh all i know is that all we know is just what i've everything i've written over the course of my life
everything i've written over the course of my life will be as dust in other words it's
insignificant and that's how he kind of wraps up all of his theses it doesn't really impact whether
the sun comes up tomorrow absolutely as long as we can still remember a little bit and try to build
on it but i do ask the these rhetorical questions though when uh ends though yes i can tell you that
there is a definitive link between parasites and cancer but my question comes back to when someone
says parasites and parasites cause cancer my question comes back to what is your perception
of the definition of parasites because it's an amorphous thing you know uh like we were talking
about um earlier about worms you know historically worms are the um are parasites you know and this
is all of the helminths um you know combined and there's a gazillion different types of of helminths
and um and then you can add into that uh conversation about why the ant helminthics
like um uh you know like ivermectin and um and mebendazole and finbendazole and albendazole and
you know why they work highly effectively for cancers and um and then there is this
conversation that says oh well the reason it works is because it's killing the parasites
and that's what's killing the cancer cells and i'm going okay well that sounds really interesting
except what you're doing is you're claiming then for this you're thinking that uh that cancers are
caused by a worm right that one thing of helminths becomes the definition of parasites um when my uh
my son was in uh i was helping him with a science paper when he was in like ninth grade
and and he's up there and i asked him this question when he made the comment
and and he was writing about fungi and he said well fungi is a parasite and i go where did you
read that and he goes well yeah but it is and i go where did you come up with that and he said
fungis are not alive they don't have true roots they're not a plant they're not alive
unless they're on some organism from which they can derive nutrients therefore they fit the
definition of a parasite and i go perfect you think you're doing the only thing that i ask of you
uh since you thought think and uh and so that was you know that was a profound comment so
fungi becomes a parasite so we uh but that's not a helminth it's not a worm
liver flukes are known to cause hepatocellular carcinoma but the liver flukes itself don't cause
the hepatocellular carcinoma the liver flukes make cysts then they burrow into the
the liver flu burrows into the liver they form a cyst and then that cyst will remain dormant for
20 25 years until suddenly it gets a signal to wake up by some whatever the signaling mechanism
is and in order for it to merge from the cyst form into a larval form it secretes an enzyme
the enzyme dissolves the cyst so that the larval form of the of the fluke which is a flatworm
right can come out and ostensibly it's not the worm that causes the the the liver cancer
it is actually an enzymatic reaction you know from that you know you can see that it is a
what it'd be technically referred to it'd be a dna adduct and you know and a lot of this is
substitutions in the genetic sequences and replication and and so you have these
uh substitutions like of g and t and and then it it initiates this liver cancer a specific form of
of liver cancer and so then you go okay well wait a minute um how does the um how does if
the uh the ivermectin or uh fendendazole if it's killing the worm
how does that translate into stopping the liver cancer killing the liver cancer cells and the
liver cancer stem cells which are two totally different things you really got three different
types of these cells there you got the cancer cells you got the circulating cancer cells that
travel to distal sites which are called metastasis and then you have the cancer stem cells which and
then you have you can see in my writings where i uh i you know expound the bone and the tumor
microenvironment which are you know a lot of these are hormonal secreting
microenvironments that you were you were also talking somewhere in in in that i heard about
the suppression of the immune system yeah well what you'll find is is that the uh the t cells
especially t cells will be there and they're trying to come in and kill the cancer cells
and in the tumor microenvironment they're secreting these uh chemokines that actually
go out and have a parlance with the uh with the with the immunological t cells and they go
hey you know let's make a deal and say well why don't you come over and um and join us
in supporting the cancer because the cancer is really the good guy and what you're in
and you're really not doing the work that you should do you need to come over and join us
and so and it's and it would be referred to as recruitment and so you have these
um these uh cancers of the cells then are act in the tumor microenvironment these chemokines in the
in and you know you can call them secretomes and you have a whole bunch of different
chemicals that are in there that are actually recruiting the the the immunological cells to
become immunosuppressant cells and that's where the real problem is and and whenever you go into
and you got two different forms of cancer that you'll see dr graves you'll see this um one is
called a hot tumor the other is a cold tumor right the hot tumors are are in that phase
where they're growing and expanding and then doing this and a cold tumor is where they've
in that tumor microenvironment they've recruited the immune system then to come over and to become
immunosuppressive so it's not a malfunction and you know from the perception it's not really a
malfunction of the immune system it's actually a recruitment of the immune system to become
immunosuppressive and then to make the other components of the immune system immunosuppressive
and you could and when i started this uh decades ago i could really see
you know the the immune system involvement in here and say okay you know you can see the
all the the direct association with you know immunosuppression and immune system yeah a
person who is taking steroids uh you know anabolic uh catabolic steroids for instance
you're taking prednisone or something like that or uh you know you're immunocompromised
so if you're type 2 diabetic you're immunocompromised and you know you can go down and
you can see how the vast majority of these cases of cancer from this context are actually
iatrogenic because because these people are taking drugs that suppress the immune system
immune system
thank you thank you yeah i'll send you an email does that answer your question
oh yeah pretty much does because again like i said my you know if you're looking at root causes
you've got these two systems or these two ailments if you want to call them that one
theoretically is infectious and the other is they're both opportunistic so there's clearly
some kind of derangement in the immune system leading to both and for some reason drugs like
ivermectin you know they're more than just i think the anti uh infectious they have more than
anti-infectious properties and it may have something to do chemically with how it's
turns the immune system back into something that's going to kill but they are actually
directly killing these stem cells as well yeah that's that's the amazing thing and there's
other compounds too i put together a whole list of anti-cancer options for people including
thymolquinone with black seed oil i'm not going to ramble on about it now i'll send you an email
with that little list i have my background's in pharmacy before i became a neurosurgeon
before i retired from that and now i'm a beamer distributor
hey i was one of the trial subjects on the beamer in the u.s. by the way wonderful yeah that was back
2006 or seven or something like that yeah that's when the first big improvement came with the
research that dr clopp was doing with microcirculation and it's they've maintained that
level of technology and just modified the device a little bit with better coils you know as
technology got better it's fantastic well um the um but no i really appreciate that that line of
questioning but you can you can see this and you can really see you know the iatrogenic
implications here and absolutely yeah and and it and it comes back to you know i started writing
in the early 70s about how cancer is a modern man-made disease and and so that becomes all of
this other things that well no no no um you know people 30 that you know the pharaohs had cancer
and go okay well so i started studying historical cancers well they were a very very real thing in
certain parts of the world had high rates of cancer like southeast asia where they had uh the
water was contaminated with liver flukes so exactly as we were discussing there and and you could find
those same type of things in various parts of the world like uh they had a deal in the balkans
was another one of the hot spots and it was caused by um this um man this is really interesting it's
uh they called it balkans balkans nephrotic syndrome or something to that effect has been
decades ago and um and and so you have high rates of kidney cancer and and and kidney failure
in the balkans and it turns out that it's a uh a some plants that produce a chemical called
aerosolic acid and it grows in the uh in the wetter areas in the wheat fields and then all the seeds
and the roots of the plants uh secrete the aerosolic acid and then even if you don't get any of the plant
mixed in with the harvested wheat you still are picking it up when you plant wheat in that uh in
that ground and it's and then the wheat is contaminated with aerosolic acid and will cause
this nephrotic syndrome and nephrotic cancer and and so and it's a very very specific type of kidney
cancer and you know and when you start looking at so many of these you know modern cancers um
they're very highly specific like with the case of um you know a specific type of leukemia
that's directly related to specific um polysaccharide aromatic hydrocarbons like benzene
specific types of cancer that comes from exposure to um you know these ethylene compounds and such
you know and so yeah it's amazing in 1980 we had a pharmacology class this is real quick uh and it
was on the drugs that are used to treat the complications caused by other drugs and i wrote
in my uh i wrote in my lecture notes i was sitting there going oh iatrogenesis and perfecta
i really need to write a sub stack up on this even though now it's like 50 years later because
it i was laughing to myself and i'm such a nerd i nobody around me knew what i what was making
me giggle it was the irony of us having to have an entire college class on drugs that are used to
treat the complications of other drugs for example when somebody's getting too much prednisone they're
going to get an ulcer so they're going to need an anti-ulcer drug that's just one example and it just
snowballs from there and then the anti-ulcer drug will cause other complications so they need a drug
to treat that is like absolutely oh yeah and then back to your neuro um background you look at what
happens from the b12 deficiencies caused by them and then you end up with subacute combined
degeneration yep with this final code yeah it is very very disease i dare say that 90 percent of
every person in the united states over 50 years of age is vitamin b12 deficient
so for me i take like 5 000 units a day or something micrograms a day or something like that
i'm yeah i do get my doc will check those levels so i know what form oh yeah which form what b12
cyanocobalamin uh yeah not methyl cyan is a synthetic by the way um there's well is it
um there's well is it the one oh no yeah i'm getting b12 and no it's methylcobalamin is what
i'm talking methyl okay yeah i was getting d3 d2 mixed up with b12 don't ask me why that happens
three naturally occurring forms cyanocobalamin is the stable form yeah but it's a synthetic and
it takes three steps in order to convert into being usable but um they got two three forms
that are in food and i'm real wrapped up in orthomolecular chemistry and so the um the in
foods you have methylcobalamin and enosilcobalamin which are both coenzymes they're not b12 they're
coenzymes of b12 and initiate different reaction cycles that are parallel to one another
and the only real b12 in food is hydroxocobalamin and um which is really the long-term storage unit
found in liver and um but the methylcobalamin of course is the donor for um in the reduction
cycle of homocysteine and so you know and and you have to have the five methylene tetrahydrofolate
reductase combined with folate you know in order to reduce the homocysteine
yeah it's amazing yeah so daria that wasn't my quote that was a quote of uh he was a pretty
well-known socialist as i understand oh you're talking about virginia wolf's husband
yeah i was just quoting he was talking about the credulity but he was a socialist so well but the
point was just the sentence itself smacks of the pride and arrogance that we've been talking about
on today's presentation that destroy his credibility you know that presumptive yeah but he's talking
about the credulity of human beings but he was married to um virginia wolf so he's probably
fairly bright although not as bright as her but he was better at staying alive um but anyway um so
carladean and uh daria if you want to contact um meryl you can send an email to me and i'll pass it
to him stephen i would like to thank you i'd like to end to him and um so carladean you want to want
to ask a supplementary question i just want i don't want to ask the question i just want to
comment i wanted to uh and dog uh meryl's uh question what a what a parasite is well it's
politics because you see how molly means many and blood sucking and and so um i guess that's the u.s
congress if that's my best definition so thank you and unfortunately that there is no you know
people come out and they make this comment about you know politicized science and all this stuff
there is no such animal you you anytime science is corrupted by anything and anytime you interject
politics on any level or censorship into science is no longer pure science it's
it's been corrupted it's adulterated at that point in time and i don't like it on any level i
studiously avoid it yeah so so i've got a chance now because charles has lost patience i think was
with all of us so um i just wanted to ask you about something you mentioned earlier on you said that
in the uh presentation from tim kelly you know about the um inverse i can't remember what he
called it inverse something um so you mentioned two plus three equals five so i think you and i can
agree on that so if you would feed that into his uh tool you know the inverse whatever it is um
presumably it would try to prove you know the the opposite it'd say that two plus three
it would argue as best it could against two plus three equals five so i was just wondering whether
you might be able to work out mary because you you're fairly bright um oh very bright um
what do you think it would come up with well we could try it out well i i i've been playing with
it i was transfixed by his uh algorithm because it was brilliant and uh but applying that inverse
hypothesis makes okay it let's go back to what you refer to as a scientific method on this
if everything that was said was 100 true and accurate in this case two uh two plus x equals
five and then it would take that algorithm and the inverse hypothesis of it is five minus x has to
equal two right because that's your basic uh euclidean equation and so you come back and you
look at that and ai is examining their answer and you see like they had different deals you know uh
four out of four and ten out of ten and twelve out of twelve and what would he come up with
you had these different number of variables in each one of the sections of the arguments in it
well whenever you look at it like that if they had if if the input was two and if x was was true
and five was the uh the theoretical conclusion a plus b equals c then when you take c
minus a b it has to equal that and it would come back on that argument they'd say
it wouldn't have a 12 out of 12 like it did on the world trade towers it wouldn't have a 12 out of 12
on the inverse hypothesis of saturated fats cause heart disease what it would say is
you know it's a zero out of 12 well would it or would it argue so well against it with its inverse
uh hypothesis what you said it the inverse hypothesis is uh is the best you know uh
detection mechanism of whether or not your your original premise is true or not
yeah so what would it what do you think it was totally true it would show it on the inverse
hypothesis because what the inverse hypothesis is really showing is not only an inverse argument
you see in medical in uh um and charles can uh talk about this in law school what they do is
they give you uh briefs of a court brief and then say okay you're going to be the uh the plaintiff
attorney and you're going to be the uh defense attorney and then after you argue the whole thing
well then the professor takes and it gives the uh the brief to the opposite person and say now you
argue it from the other side right exactly the same set of facts but you're arguing from a
different standpoint that's what this algorithm's doing and that inverse hypothesis it also is what
it's doing is that the end result of it the end result is what it's doing is taking and assigning
a statistical probability of it being true or not true yes but the thing was 12 is but but the ones
that were fed to you know so put aside from numbers arithmetic if you like um it was being fed stuff
and it was coming up with very plausible arguments from our point of view against the
official false narratives that we've been fed but but in this case i don't have a point of view
steven what i have is is logical conclusion from such facts and you know because i'm wrong all day
long i am wrong constantly and and and so therefore that i don't have a point of view
i want to have a logical conclusion that is an uh that is a mathematical conclusion
derived from a set of facts you know that's what i'm trying to say um meryl is that a lot of what
we were discussing the other day was kind of debatable but when it comes to arithmetic
do we think it's debate so you know presumably it would argue that two plus three equals five the
inverse of that would try its best to say well you know think up reasons but what reasons could it
possibly come up with which would wash you know so we so we agreed mostly and that's the point is it
won't it cannot come up with an argument that says a plus b is not equal to c and c minus b is
not equal to a it cannot come up with that argument because that is a mathematical law
yes see there's a lot of difference between and people between a scientific law and an argument
um and and and a or a perception and a theory or a hypothesis people say all the time say well i got
this theory about something no you don't you don't have a theory about nothing you have a hypothetical
conjecture you have a hypothesis you have a guess you have something but it ain't a theory
sure you have the you know the theory of gravity well you know people don't usually float off the
earth it's been tested quite for a number of years the theory in that means that we don't know what
it is just as you have the theory of electromagnetism well we may have a theory of electromagnetism
but that beamer does what it does and you and we're having this international
real time video call right now predicated upon the theory of electromagnetism and the physics
derived out of that uh the you know the theory of electromagnetism these things are very very useful
and usable tools in science just as the illustration we were discussing earlier about
the concord flying at um you know at mach 2.2 and you know and and having it reproducible because
you can have a continuous set of flights never had a crash and you can build more of them
well just like you can build more and more television sets and more and more laptops and
have these conversations that's reproducible there's still a theory it's still all this is
predicated upon a theory and but a theory is not a scientific law and it's not mathematical law
a plus b was developed by euclid back a long time ago and it is the fundamental of euclidean
geometry from which algebras derive and there and as long as you're in base 10
it's going to be that every time yeah no very you can understand the problem with the public
can't you so they see that um you know we can talk on zoom all around the world for example
and we can we could fly on concord in 1969 was the first flight i think um at 2.2 mach at 69 000
feet but we can't do it anymore and but um we couldn't do it and then the motor car you know
he said a couple of weeks ago that he's bringing the concord back in modern um it manufactured in
the u.s i don't know hadn't happened yet but we'll see yeah so what i'm trying to say is that yes so
the public don't seem to be aware and it's a big fraud in a way that you know these successes like
the motor car the like jet planes you know concord it's very impressive and even speaking on you know
around the world on zoom is pretty impressive but but the problem is that people then encourage
to think that science is never wrong and of course it's when it comes to biology in particular
science is always wrong yeah and i i my son when he first started it's not wrong when it comes to
concord as you've said you know yeah but these come back to political will and uh you just like
the abandonment of the u.s space program well one day abandoned all the the space missions
you know when um in the united states back in the 1960s and 70s everything was about science
everything was about uh physics and chemistry everything yeah this was the george jesson
universe hey man i remember uh when i was in junior high i think it was junior high
might have been high school when the first uh star trek episode came out and we had a rocket club
we were our rocket club went over to this gal's house whose mother made us uh chocolate chip
cookies and and we watched that as a whole group of 30 kids watching the um the first star trek
that's what the u.s was it was george jetson we were going to be living george jesson years with
the flying cars and everything so how have we come now to the narrative that
you know most what you know most of the
earlier was about the socialism aspect of it and they said oh we need to spend money on social
um um some on social issues and of entitlements as opposed to spending it on the space
exploration and so they took the money out of the out of the science realm and put it back into
the social programs but but the narrative now meryl doesn't make sense to me because
um they're asking elon musk you know private individual to actually run this the state the
america's space program and he's his rockets which can't even leave the the atmosphere it seems and
they blow up and then he comes on and says oh well we're learning from every explosion essentially
from every flight and and i'm thinking well hang on me what happened to nasa and oh well apparently
they've lost all the space technology apparently the state of the state of the u.s space technology
is is look at what nasa's doing and look at what elon musk is doing with space x and with the
satellites the satellites are being built by a private corporation they're being deployed on
private rockets and uh and
so how is it that a a private corporation then is actually outperforming nasa well exactly i don't
understand because that's purely political and you're back to the politics again it has nothing to
do with science it has everything to do with politics yeah but elon musk is talking about
going to mars and he never even mentions the the the apparent success of the saturn moon program
i can tell you this elon musk has transformed the world with his satellite programs
and you have you have complete
broadband internet connectivity almost at any point in the entire world now
and that is through a i just set up a deal at a remote ranch in texas about a year ago
hooked up one of uh one of his uh satellites works perfectly out in the middle i mean we're
talking 27 miles from the nearest town and it works perfectly yeah but it so if he's so clever
why can't he send a rocket presumably a rocket intended to take man to moon it can't even escape
the atmosphere without blowing up so i just don't understand he doesn't what is the ratio of of
his successes versus failures and he and he also subscribes to the henry ford uh model of uh of
this deal of the thomas and thomas edison model of it that you know what the public perceives as a
failure to a scientist is not a failure yes but merrily it's actually a learning experience and
so you say okay well this didn't work so i'm going to change it and i'm going to do it differently
that's next time but the the point i'm trying to make is we did all this in the 60s so why are we
revisiting all that stuff and he's actually can't get a rocket to leave the atmosphere
uh successfully without it blowing up i don't understand why he has these rockets that
that leave the atmosphere every month well not the ones going to mars they're not they don't
he hadn't gotten there he's doing he's he is definitely deploying these satellites well yes
maybe but he is deploying the satellites yes but and i can tell you he's deploying the satellites
because one of my uh one of my clients is the the engineer who is the director of the entire
program okay and and he is a client of mine i do engineering work for him and i and then like i
told you i put up i just installed one of the satellite receivers there at this remote ranch
in texas and again oh man it's like 200 um megs of uh megabits of broadband okay so let's put it
this way then merrill um nasa in the 60s and maybe the 70s was if it did occur that's what i'm trying
so was infinitely more impressive than elon musk has been at least to my eyes
it was back then but it's not now so what happens to all the papers then they say they've been
destroyed doesn't it once again it's political they took the money away they took the money away
all the know-how was must have been recorded on papers of course it is well they say they've lost
them how do you lose that well exactly i mean that's non that's nonsense meryl what i'm trying
to say is that a narrative is being put out at the moment which doesn't make sense when it comes to
narratives never make sense all right as we were talking about before what narrative in the uk
makes sense about the domestic problems that are going on in the uk now sure and russia ukraine
for example and they they don't make sense and so when again whenever we were discussing
this algorithm you know um two plus uh x equals five right well whenever you do that and and and
this is subscribing to mathematical laws and whenever you do the inverse algorithm on that
and and it doesn't mathematically check then you know that it is incorrect and you also know that
in real life that what it comes back to the incorrectness is going to be number one it
could be ignorance number two you know it's censorship number three it's a political narrative
and it's going to be one of those three things
yeah anyway um what causes inaccurate so last question um meryl um so i wanted to ask you um
if you feel like answering it so it might be two bigger questions so we were talking earlier on
the phone about um the difference between say louisiana where you are and new york state or
california anywhere in the northeast of the united states and even the north of the united states
and uh california seemed to be lost to me and to you and yet uh life proceeds as normal or did
proceed pretty much as normal in 2020 in louisiana can you explain to people around the world
watching this video not just now but later um what the differences are between the southern united
states and north and particularly northeast and western united states well the south is very very
different um ideologically than the other parts of the u.s um bear in mind that california is a
really interesting state because you can take 85 percent of the land area is the most conservative
areas of the entire u.s this was the land of reagan that's where ronald reagan was from
but you have a you know out of 40 million people there you have half of those live over half of
them live in you know a couple of the big cities on the on the coast they become the tail that
wags the dog and so they you know they dictate you know politics statewide where the vast majority
of the of the state is highly conservative the same thing the same thing in new york state and
new york city of course well and and that and it comes back to what people don't want to really
discuss is rural versus urban they're two completely different different parts of the u.s
and they the you got what is good for new york city and the five boroughs
is not applicable for where i live and when you're at a ranch in texas or you're here at a farm in
louisiana well the the same things that is good for relationships in new york city is not good
for here and vice versa well it you know they have this thing about you know in uk they've had gun
control for a long time in the united states well there's gun control in the form of regulations
and laws but in louisiana and and in texas and in florida and such well you know it's kind of like
it is a legacy here and you know and i mean the majority of people hunt and fish and you know and
that's that's what they do and um and so and the in louisiana there is a you know
they believe in and in texas they believe in civility and i can tell you that
that if you're not if you don't deal in civility you don't get your you don't explain what you mean
by civility um well it's proper manners that saying yes ma'am and no ma'am and opening the door
for uh for the uh for the ladies and standing up at the uh when seated when a lady enters the room
and you know and and it's just and saying thank you and appreciating and you know and saying
grace before you eat whenever you have any community gathering and it's just that's the
way it is here and we don't have nearly as much of the social problems in the rural areas of the
united states and this is across the united states that you have in the cities and when you get into
urban populations and and new orleans has you know just the the crime rate in new orleans is just
abhorrent and it's that way in houston and dallas and chicago and dc and new york and and and and it's
why do you think there's a difference between urban and rural is it and why is there such a
lack of respect for the family in the cities and it is a breakdown more than anything else is a
breakdown in the family unit and it is a breakdown in the nuclear family and um and so you know and
you could describe that more than any other singular factor yeah and how is that a good do
you think that politicians have deliberately undermined families because i do well they do but
it's uh it's not um just politicians it is you know uh certain caucuses of politicians and and
it's certain um you know groups of politicians and it's certain uh groups of people that actually
listen to it and you know there's there's had such a big backlash against the
they you know the progressive movements over the in the united states that that's i think that's
the reason that trump was elected as a as a counter revolution if you will to what has been going on
and um and so the pendulum the pendulum has to swing back and forth in order to reach equilibrium
right so you're saying that people live where most people live is not in a leftist world or
right wing world they really live in in a centrist world and and what people want universally the
what people really want is you know you got your biological necessity food shelter clothing right
and um and and so you have to have those things well i interject in you know clean air and clean
water and clean food and you know and all of those things that go along with it but then you know
you know everybody wants this but it's how do you go about it and how are those things delivered
and you know to the you know to the historical societies here in uh the south and the church is
the uh that's the center of the community and everybody revolves you know all the life revolves
life revolves around the church and that becomes you know i mean whenever you look at church
attendance and belief in god in the rural south man you're probably talking 98 percent
wow and you go back to you know to new york city for instance this it's probably again and and and
if you go to you know to san francisco you'll find that it's arguably dramatically less than that
yeah so um why why do you think they're better so it seems to me that they've been very successful
at undermining uh the culture if you like um you know the the the things that people agreed on the
importance of the family they've been extremely successful but particularly in the cities or
disproportionately why why are you so much in the cities why why do you and who's behind
the undermining well it has to do with education more than anything else and because remember the
hitler youth program well so what you do is you set up um you know these educational systems that
teach the propaganda not teach truth um there uh you know they my mother was a school teacher a
college professor a school teacher a principal in public schools and then in private schools for
65 years and i mean my family just hammered education you are educating and none of that
nonsense none of the new math and you know or any stuff like that it's classics you're going to
study the classics and you're going to learn the classics and you're going to do you know these
fundamentals yeah this is as i tell everybody i am a very very old-fashioned scientist that lives on
the bleeding edge of technology and and i live on the bleeding edge there is nothing you know there
that stands in the way other than imagination and being allowed you know to to be creative
um but you go to again the inner cities and you look at the level of education that you find
amongst the general public and and i can assure you you are not if you take a thousand school
children let's just say 12th grade in public schools in new orleans or chicago or los angeles
or of the five boroughs at a at just the regular public schools and then you actually challenge
them without any of the you know the of minority set asides and dei initiatives or anything like
that just on straightforward scholastic aptitude capability and education
you you would be baffled at how low the performance scores were yeah do you think things
would get better do you think they've got as bad as they're going to get now and then they're going
to get better in in the u.s so what you described so do you think things will get better now do you
think they've got as bad as they're going to get and we can we can only hope that they get better
i am a firm believer in absolute equality you know if you could is the only thing that i like
about the professional sports model is that an nfl team doesn't care who you are what you look
like whether you know your gender preferences they don't care about anything the only thing that they
care about is can you run faster than everybody else can you throw the ball better than anybody
else can you catch the ball better than anybody else that's all they care about so they don't
have any dei initiatives they don't have any minority set asides they don't have any
handicapping of the races they don't have anything about looking at equality of outcome
at equality of outcome which is a handicap in and of itself
handicapping the race what they're doing is they say we don't care about that we only care about
how well you can perform so that we can win a game well i fully subscribe to that philosophy
pretty healthy i don't like i don't like any of the other stuff about it but like the especially
the injuries i don't like any of that i like the fact that it is that it has equality absolute
equality of opportunity and everybody needs to have the equality of opportunity without any of
the intersectionality or any of the other stuff that is politically charged in the equation nothing
so if you can do it do it and if you can't get out of the way and let the people that can do it
do it so meryl just to be clear who do you think's behind the destruction of new york for example
who's behind the destruction of society as a whole of new york in new york state well of
well of any of the deal personally i see it as a you know again it's trying to destroy that entire
you could come back and you could look at it from the standpoint that tolkien used
back whenever he was remember the the the history of tolkien when he was writing and and this was
he was writing to his son who was on the front lines in world war two and so he would write a
chapter a week and he was just coming up with all of this stuff that was so elaborate and it would
it would bog everybody in his son's platoon down for a week reading all of this stuff but look at
the moral interplay that they had in this and and it is that you had good you had the innocent
you had the evil you had the really really evil and then you have the interplay in there
where it is simply when you when you parse everything down steven it was nothing but evil
for the sake of evil nothing else where where they didn't even have anything to gain by it
this was totally destructive for me i don't think it's accidental because 3000 miles away
or almost 3000 miles away in california the same things going on in los angeles absolutely
so i don't think it's accidental so well the thing is that most of this is driven by
you know just as we were discussing earlier avers
right it's an unbridled loss for power control and money and unbridled hubris combined
somebody's getting personal gain out of it so in the hobbits in the hobbits yeah in louisiana
people have got very strong views on things because of the strength so in louisiana for example it's
difficult to assert control in a state like louisiana or alabama or mississippi because
people are still going to church they have a moral code the families have a moral code and they're
not easily swayed well and they and and that's by and large and it and and i'm and we have lots of
social problems here but it's not amongst the you know the conservative christian groups don't have
those problems and they don't they don't allow it and and and they just say okay well y'all can do
whatever you want to do leave us alone yeah and that becomes one of the things let's just say
covid vaccine well you know it in the uh the christian conservative groups and um in the south
they're saying okay guys if you want to live in new york and you want to put in these laws where
you say you can't go to a grocery store and buy groceries unless you take an mrna vaccine
which is non-sterilizing to begin with and so therefore it doesn't even prevent the transmission
of the of illness and say if you want to do that and you want to live under that type of tyranny
you chose to do it but you ain't doing it here because we're not going to abide by it
we're not gonna do it but but then they also go back and say okay well if you want to do it
if you think it's going to help well you can go ahead it's your choice it's your personal choice
but don't tell us we have to do it yeah but they're taking down so the people in louisiana their
country is the usa and in the process of taking down new york and california and all the rest you
know the whole of the northeast as far as i can see they're taking down the usa and the people in
in new york do care about but these are federal policies uh in so much of this was federal policies
and um and the federal agencies hey ronald reagan made a quip back when he was president he said
the nine scariest words in the english language is we're from the government and we're here to help
and and those were true words because the vast majority of these problems is government mandates
now at the same time you know if you have these federal agencies were and should be very very
very good things the cdc should be a very good thing it's very bad and they well but they've
got politics in the way yeah you know the um the um the fda should be a very good thing
but they got corrupted along the way because they're you know again bauden paid for and uh
and so they have a lot of things that are are not for the betterment of society they're
for the betterment of the cash flow of the individuals that are that are in power of
these institutions the institutions are not evil the people that corrupt people in in the institutions
uh who are evil is where the evil lies not the institution and um and you know i remember when
the uh the epa the environmental protection agency was formed well uh you could go to los angeles
back in um and bear in mind that ronald uh oh what was his name richard nixon was president he's
he's richard nixon took this as a personal initiative to uh to form the uh the environmental
protection agency and before then oh man they had yes massive uh uh pollution massive pollution of
air of water and you could go to los angeles back um in 1972 and you couldn't even see the overpass
in in front of you that was a quarter mile away the smog was so bad well now you know the air
at least in that component of smog is dramatically better than it was
yeah and in london in london's much better than it used to be oh yeah in in in the 1820s in london
they had drifts of coal ash that three foot deep they said it looked like uh like drifts of snow
it was so deep it just a few years after the industrial revolution really kicked off
and because they were using that much coal in london and in the other big manufacturing cities
of of of england the interesting thing is meryl they never mentioned the london smoke you know
i remember it but but they don't actually mention it these days because they want to say that the
air is dirtier in london than it's ever been and well the the problem in the united states this
problem within the united states is that the federal agencies have legislated things to be
abolished and other things to be implemented when you know i don't it started out with very very
seemingly good intentions and then politics got interjected into policy again and so what you're
doing is is again you can go to california right now and in most parts of the state
well man it looks great i mean it's beautiful california is a beautiful state yes but it's
probably it's arguably the most toxic state in the nation and why is it the most toxic state it's
because of all of these novel chemicals that are being introduced like through the
well let me give you a scientific commentary on that the
soil fertility is is one of the primary measures of soil fertility is the cationic exchange
quotient it means the energy in there that can attract nutrients and bind to them instead of it
being washed away is essentially what it means well you take farmland that is very fertile and
has a high cationic exchange quotient it binds the nutrients well you know what else it binds
it binds the pollutants binds all of the contaminants the the chemical contaminants
from the of the the pesticides the herbicides and the synthetic fertilizers and the synthetic
fungicides and all of these things and it's in the soil well california has a particular problem
because it's so dry well whenever it dries it dusts and the dust blows around
and then when the dust blows around the size of the dust particles then predicates the the the
the cytotoxicity because the smaller the particles are when you inhale the particles
the deeper down in the lungs they go and bear in mind that that whenever you do the
the math of on the surface area of a particle a a liter of of of a material solid material
it at you know one micron is going to have the combined surface area is dramatically larger than
if the particle sizes was 10 microns 10 times that size it's just that's just the you know surface
area of the particles of it's like a baby it's like a baby you know and so then the deeper they
go down into the lungs and they're still have the same amount of toxicity
you know basically per unit of surface area so you get so it's more toxic you have all kinds
of different variables in there and because of that and let's just say then you have the irrigation
water even if it starts out from melting snow and let's just assume that it's perfectly clean
from melting snow that it's like distilled water well by the time it gets through these agricultural
farmlands that are using all of these of these synthetic chemicals and then it's going back into
a watershed this stuff is extraordinarily contaminated exactly and so i think haven't you
had enough you must be tired no i get i get animated yeah but you um so um i i'd like to
thank you for presenting to us tonight it's great to listen to you um merrill and um i think um i
think you like to talk to people don't you so next time when we have you on we'll we'll ask
you questions from the beginning merrill i mean obviously if you actually i would actually i would
enjoy that i would enjoy the whole thing being questioned you're very brave and you just kind of
launched into it i don't think you knew what you're going to talk about and you just kind of winged it
and so but it was still good but i felt sorry i found myself feeling a bit sorry for you know it's
not fair on you well i think you find it very much easier um you did fine of course but but i think
you find it a lot easier as i would just answering questions just talking you know i do i do yeah um
well i don't have a problem with either one uh but uh does tom have a question oh yeah tom go ahead
yeah i was struggling with um i remember when i grew up um on the block my parents had a un flag
and then three houses down there was a um uh right wing um boy the john birch society person and
oh that's a whole nother story there yeah so where where i'm going with this yeah wisconsin
has got some real conservative people in the middle of the state but um i i also grew up
during you know the beginning of like earth day and i was influenced by some of that um small
is beautiful stuff um it came out in the 70s and i was aware of some of those club of rome you know
anti um the the population bomb stuff and then over time um i got kind of interested in the
rights of nature and if you take that to an extreme uh you know rocks and canyons have rights of
nature but certainly rivers have rights of nature well this clashes with the family model um
the and the christianity uh uh that is on the conservative side but i think there is benign
empathetic intention behind you know rights of nature and uh as you were brought up the
environmental movement right when i was thinking about this i think the environmental movement
taken to an extreme shows some of the huge conflicts you know like if you have a farm and
you have some puddles then the puddles are wetlands and so you can't touch that land um
i guess you know it's like how do we i mean well so for example what do you think about rights of
nature do you think that the amazon rainforest should have rights and um what you know how do
you deal with you know socialism versus um because you were kind of waxing in in a in a wide way
philosophical about some of the stuff in the south and family values and so forth um if one side
vilifies the other i don't think that that works out both sides have contradictions but is there a
way that we can ethically evolve you know like you mentioned star trek and star trek was kind of
visionary it was a federation right um you know you mentioned the jetsons and you mentioned the
60s and i was somebody who benefited from these wonderful textbooks in physics in high school
they were fantastic you know they you didn't read them and think why because they kept answering
the questions they were very good as opposed to a lot of the books that preceded that that left so
many unanswered questions so i threw a lot out there i just how do we ethically progress as a race
satisfying the agnostics and the christians the socialists and the conservatives
well i have um you know my own personal opinions about these things and i am a very very
you know straightforward person and do i believe that nature has rights and i'm going
look at look at my technologies look at my string of technologies
um everything that i have ever developed everything that i've discussed here makes the planet and the
locale a better place it actually improves the quality i invented technology in 1978 that this
this is a house that a shelter that that grows all of its own food makes all of its own breathing
air makes creates its own energy makes its own water um again grows all its own food everything
everything in a self-contained environment those principles i think you know
hey i respect nature i respect everything about it a lot just like i was telling you about the
the photosynthesis my discoveries in uh in you know in um in uh quantum physics literally was out
dealing with my organic garden and dealing with the peppers see bioregenerator farming is not
is not destructive to the environment bioregenerator farming is actually beneficial
to the environment synthetic chemicals synthetic chemicals but beings other than humans and their
consciousness what do you well look at but but this is part of the human consciousness
bear in mind that people that are out doing you know you have a thousand acre um agro business
where you have a farm with a monoculture and you got one person with a couple of other
labors are out farming a thousand acre wheat field they're farming a thousand acre corn field
all one species well then that's not the way it's supposed to be never was the way it was
supposed to be the genetically modified organisms look at um you know the bt corn where you're taking
a soil dwelling organism back so is uh for unscathed and inserting it into a plant you're taking two
different kingdoms of life and combining them together you know those are true genetically
modified organisms and it was never supposed to be introduced into the food chain it was only in
an experimental thing for uh for uh cattle fodder and um and of course and it was supposed to be
sterile and everything and in one year well guess what it's everywhere there's a lawsuit now by the
nation of mexico against the uh the the bt corn because it has contaminated all the all the
indigenous heirloom of corn strains throughout mezzo-america
well that's a violation of the rights of nature right there do i believe that the amazonian
rainforest should be destroyed absolutely not and you know so um and then you come back to
population well the greater the population the uh greater the resource consumption that's a fact
you know no way to avoid that well then whenever you uh you ask the question about
you know what was referred to as the mouthusian revolution you know where you're generating
exponentially greater quantities of food on the same aprich well how are they doing that
the use of synthetics then there was a you know a guy that that few people have ever heard of
before that formed another of these green revolutions i call it which was mouthusian
in nature that that developed a uh a genetically modified wheat strain that was only half as tall
as the uh as a as the you know the early triplicum species and then but this was 20 or so years ago
and double the other yield per acre and wheat fields because you get the same amount of
berries with half amount half the amount of stem and so therefore doubling the uh the yield
on a per acre basis you have those things but you know what these are all round up ready
plants well they rely on the um on the um of the herbicides and it's not just round up
because round up is a non-selective herbicide glyphosate versus uh you know the broad leaf
herbicides like 2 4d or you know and and those are selective broad leafs they won't
impact grasses like um um so what they're using is combinations in those wheat fields
they're using the round up for pre-emergence herbicide and then they're used they're spraying
because the 2 4d and classes of chemicals like that only kill the broad leafs and they don't kill
the grasses wheat wheat and corn or grasses so you can use those classes of chemicals
and you know and and again there is a lot of uh one of the things in the wheat manuf the wheat
farming that i find just extraordinarily alarming is the um is what they call wheat
dislocation and somewhere along the way somebody probably inadvertently sprayed um the edges of the
wheat field and they with round up and they discovered that in the seven days it takes
for the plant to die that it threw all of its uh dying energy into developing the wheat berries
and the berries doubled in size and in that period of time as it was dying and so it's called uh you
know wheat desiccation well the problem is is that it's so close to harvest all of the you know the
the chemical residue doesn't even have time to to begin to biologically dissipate so you know it's
you know these are these are the the devils that i have to fight
well all of that's approved by it's approved by the the uh the u.s department of agriculture it's
uh by the environmental protection agency they're all all of these chemicals are labeled and then
it's approved by the uh by all of these agencies and certain of the chemicals and certain
concentrations and certain uh number of rotations scheduled per growing season are allowed on each
crop so it's you know the this stuff is sitting on the shelves of you know almost every grocery
store in the united states unless it's certified organic that's a really really
big issue with me i mean it's huge i see the all the impact from it and you can take a large
classes of these chemicals that i've known for 50 years cause diseases like parkinson's
and um and i mean this is serious stuff like for instance if you drive along where do you live
yeah i'm in wisconsin now i'm in illinois i know the corn you well in wisconsin
it's in wisconsin well in wisconsin if you drive along and you see on the side of the road or on
fire lines and power lines and such like that if you see this it looks like a wildfire went through
except it's in a straight line right like down like down a power line or pipeline right away or
ditches on the side of a highway it looks like a wildfire went through it looks like it's burned
well that is in in all probability that what it was sprayed with was paraquat or diquat or one of
those family of compounds and they are well known and well documented for 50 years at least to cause
parkinson's we know they cause parkinson's it ain't even the question i'm working with a guy
who's got parkinson's so we talked about nicotine patches and the other thing i know a
adult with a dog who got lymphoma at age seven and we don't know what happened but you know the
lawn chemicals are an issue i i there's a lot of people that who is the woman from india that is
being on glycosate i mean it's just it's good to be reminded to buy organic if you can afford it
well uh you know what it my argument is is that no one cannot afford it
because you're going to pay for it i can tell you right now you're going to pay for the organic food
whether you eat it or not because you can buy the cheap junk at at uh you know at the on the shelves
of the grocery store you can buy the cheap junk that's packaged foods and you can buy the cheap
you can buy the cheap processed foods you can buy the cheap vegetable oils you can
buy the cheap junk over at the fast food and everything and i can assure you that you're
going to pay for it and it's going to cost you a lot more than eating certified organic
food because you're going to be sick you're going to be going to the doctor you can pay for all of
that stuff you're going to have missed work you're going to have a loss of quality of life you're
going to have all of these disease states you're going to have the presenting of all of these
symptoms all of that that is a cost that i'm unwilling to pay
uh i'm impressed you keep taking courses okay yeah i need to get going at the top of the hour thanks
so much um it's awesome um hey you say thank you very much for speaking to us i think we should
finish now you've been going for four hours and i'm four hours yeah i only had two nearly four
nearly four hours we've been going oh lord i gotta i gotta get going all right um
one more question ellen oh thank you um yes i had one is i just got a cat and um you know you talked
about the problem of indoor cats and what should i do um is there any way to minimize my chances
of getting that disease no so you just shouldn't have a cat no you shouldn't have a um we've had
i've had cats all my life the cats live outdoors right i live in chicago right downtown and
well that that's a complication of the uh but um it is really really a serious issue i mean it's
way more serious of an issue than most people realize it is can i address that a second it
definitely is but for indoor cats you're you're in good shape uh they say that it's mostly when
they're kittens like the first two weeks of their life that they're likely to spread it and uh no
they spread it they spread it their entire lives they get they pick this stuff up it's it's virtually
100 percent of cats are contaminated and i read and and with and with bartonella those are two
things that virtually 100 percent of cats carry and really well let me put it let me put it to you
this way i am dealing with a gal right now the daughter of a doctor friend out on the uh the
west coast and she's 40 years old and she is in a psychiatric institution right now and a year ago
whenever she can i said i can tell you right now what a problem is
one she got a cat inside her house i can assure you that she has both uh both toxoplasma
and she has bartonella she so she has barton uh bartellinosis and she goes out hiking in the um
in in the mountains all the time and says she probably has um lyme disease on top of it
well guess what we did blood tests on her about a year ago and she has toxoplasmosis she had
bartonella she had lyme disease and she had babesia she is right now in a um in an involuntarily
committed in a mental institution right now this is not stuff that i'm telling you about there's
some sort of intellectual exercise this is things that i see every day and the mother is a close
friend of mine it's real so i may um i started this deal with toxoplasmosis with a friend who
was a professor of biology up in oregon and we did a project oh this is back in the early 90s i
guess it was uh in coups bay where they had the all this massive problems in the seals and
such down there and uh in the bay and they were having all the aborted fetuses they were not
reproducing properly they were swimming sideways and all the stuff and it was from the feral cats
that were running around and washing down in the watershed into the bay
and and it was infecting the uh the seals and the other um um uh members of that family and it was
i mean it was devastating you know and it's back to um you know tom's uh uh question about uh the
rights of nature well what about the rights of the seals yeah and uh you know there's no
there's no reason for that and it was caused by feral cats running around you know this wasn't
natural occurrence this was artificially induced but they but the laws the regulations they wouldn't
let them um round up and eliminate the cats so so the only thing the only thing that i can tell
you to do is don't don't be around the cat litter and don't disturb the cat litter inside the house
and you can give you cat um um the ivermectin and the ivermectin will hopefully kill the uh the
the toxoplasma to prevent them laying the laying the eggs
so it's it's only cats that get this particular parasite is that right no it's not only cats but
it's mostly cats it's why is it mostly cats yeah it's just it's part of the life cycle of the
organism but they have a different well you have two other components in that life cycle too it's a
tripartite um uh life cycle it's uh birds of prey like ox, seagulls, and such of mice and of cats
so yeah okay but you're not you're probably not you're probably not gonna go out and eat hawks
you're probably not gonna go out and eat field mice and uh and or have them look in your house
but so you know you've eliminated two of those variables and so you're left with the cats so it
say the cat you know it was like 14 weeks old when it just showed up and i brought it in because i
didn't want to put it down or you know um but so chances are it maybe never got close to any mice
or anything but you just think it genetically uh let me tell you a story from a year or so ago
um they had a gal came in and she had sudden uh hearing loss one ear she was completely deaf in
an ear just overnight and so i'm there and uh we're doing we're doing hyperbaric for
and i'm talking to her and talking to her doctor who um or medical doctor and i'm going through and
and asking her all of these questions and she had been going to all of these neurologists and
auditory specialists and and such and um and and and it was really bothering her and she was
i don't know about 40 years of age and and so i uh i and i'm putting her in the chamber one day
and i asked her to ask her all these questions about and she and said within the month before
you had that sudden hearing loss anything happened anything at all and then she goes no nothing at
all and so okay so and then she said oh wait a minute there is one thing i got really what's
that and she said well there was a little kitten i heard howling out behind the house that one
little thing and and i said oh so you rescued the kitten right and she goes well yeah but i had to
i go okay well let me let me ask you one question did the cat scratch you
and she said or or bite you and she said well yeah all kittens do that and i go well i take that as a
yes right and said and did you put the cat inside your house well well yeah but just for a little
while it's not in there anymore and uh so guess what she had
toxi plasma she had a combination of toxoplasma and bartonella she had both of them cat scratch
fever and she had sudden neurosensory hearing loss in one ear unilateral hearing loss she was
totally deaf in one ear overnight literally overnight right again this is this is what i'm
saying i've seen this movie with a gazillion reruns it's not a good rerun don't carry that
i'm stopping the recording meryl thank you so much for presenting to us