We can talk about some of that.
All right, let's...
Little tricks they're playing on me all the time.
Yeah, but on the plus side, Andrew, I saw you telling someone, was it Ryan Oformick,
that you can't walk in any streets in London now, which is not where you're known,
but you are now, of course, without three or four people coming up to you and thanking you personally.
That's amazing in London.
Yeah, and the last five taxes I've been in in London, the black cab drivers all know.
In fact, sometimes black cabs pull over when I'm walking in the street and they want a photo with me.
Yeah.
And do you do it?
Yeah, of course I do.
Come on, we'll do it later. Let's go.
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Andrew, over to you.
Well, I think I'm quite happy to just answer questions.
I will give long and comprehensive answers.
I've got about an hour.
The reason is I've got to take my wife to the airport at three in the morning.
So I would like to get to the reasonable time tonight.
So very good.
Stephen, you want to kick off?
Yes.
Yes. OK.
So first question, Andrew.
Could you just tell the audience the history of what happened as far as you being a politician is concerned so that they can get some idea of your qualities as a leader?
Yeah. So my history is I was brought up in the area where I'm MP for now, northwest of South Derbyshire, right on the border.
I went to a comprehensive school and lived in a house that didn't have mains electricity till I was 11 years old.
Went to university. I was always head boy of my local comp.
That was my first election win.
Went to university at Nottingham, studied biological sciences, subsidiary biochemistry, specialised in genetics, behaviour and virology.
And after that, I joined the Royal Marine Commandos as an officer.
That didn't work out for me. I had two real bad injuries.
And my father had his first hip replacement when he was 48.
That was in two in in 87 or 88 and 88.
So I left the Marines.
I was a full career officer, set up a business with a thousand pounds and built that in 22 years up to a 30 million pound food business called AB Produce PLC.
At a subsidiary company, an associated company called Bridging Investments, employed 300 people.
I was young executive of the EUK when I was young in 2000.
Chairman of the Institute of Directors of the East Midlands, met lots of politicians, Labour, knew they were going to bankrupt us, gave money to the Conservative Party in 2005.
That didn't do any good.
So I was with a load of friends every Friday night in the pub, mostly small business people, and they all moaned about the state of the economy in the local area.
It had been Labour for a very long time. The council had always been Labour.
And eventually, I think there's one point of Marston's pedigree beer too many for me.
And I said, I've had enough. It's every Friday we come here and moan.
Why don't we just do something about it? If you all stand for the council, I'll run the campaign.
I'll stand for MP and then we'll just take over and give them their due.
Every one of them did. And we ran an energetic campaign.
We basically took over the local Conservative Association, which was moribund.
When I first arrived in Northwest West, I think we had six Conservative councillors out of 38 as the candidate for the next general election.
And the leader of the group said to me, we don't wear blue rosettes. We try and pretend we're independents.
I said, well, that's going to change.
Anyway, so in 2007, we had we had the biggest swing in the country to the Conservatives took Labour down to five councillors out of 38 in one night.
Pretty good. 2010, I took the seat for the Conservatives with the second biggest swing in the country against Labour.
So four and a half thousand Labour to seven and a half thousand Conservatives in one go.
Cameron had already been to the area I was going to stand in 2008 and told me that we couldn't win it.
It was a dump. So I told him never to come to that seat ever again.
And he is a man of his word. He never did. So that was all right.
And quite honestly, we just revolutionized the place.
The socialists have been running the area for decades and it was like a fallow field.
It didn't take much much tendering and cultivating to get it going.
So we changed all the planning department, made it pro-business.
And nine years later, every every election, I increased my majority and my my vote share.
And until 2019, I say two thirds of votes.
There were six candidates on the ballot paper in 2019 and I got 63 percent of the votes.
The BBC interviewed me the next day and said, you must be delighted, Mr.
Bridgen, it's your fourth election victory.
And every time your majority goes up and your percentage goes up and everything.
I said, no, it's it's absolutely abysmal. Really, it's terrible.
And they said, why is that? I said, well, look, you know, we've delivered the highest economic growth in the UK.
Happiest place to live in the Midlands.
There's one point two jobs for every one of working age in the constituency.
We've got the highest retained business rates in the country.
We haven't put council tax up in 12 years at the time.
12, 13 years. Longest council tax freeze in the history of the UK.
I said, I'm one in three people aren't voting for me.
I said, I've got to really work a lot harder to get all these people happy.
So and and that's how I got into politics.
Really, the only time I was ever offered a ministerial role was under David Cameron when he said, if if I voted remain,
he'd make me immigration minister. I said, you really do hate me, don't you, David?
I said, you want me to be immigration minister with no control over immigration?
Just go out there every every month and get a good battering.
So I said, no, I'm definitely campaigning for leave.
I ran around the leave campaign for the East Midlands and we voted.
The East Midlands voted 59, 41 to leave my own seat of Northwest Leicester,
voted 61 to 39 percent to leave.
I think there was only Ken Clark seat that voted remain and he was leading the remain campaign in the East Midlands.
He got slaughtered. And of course, I persuaded Boris Johnson to back to back leave.
He was no no Brexiteer. It was only about his own personal ambition.
And he and I actually was he came to my seat on the eve of the referendum the day before the referendum.
And I told him we were going to win and he nearly peed his pants, to be honest.
I mean, that wasn't what he wanted. Wasn't the plan.
So 2016 was two years of two things that really threw the the global elite into panic mode was a UK voted to leave the European Union and Trump won in America.
Those two things, they're not very keen on democracy after that, I can assure you.
Exactly. So really your friend, David Cameron, Andrew.
So we can have a laugh at his expense. He can watch the video afterwards.
So do you remember that he was texting Rebecca of chief executive of News International, very close to Rupert Murdoch.
And lots of people wondered how she got the job. Oh, well, we'll leave that.
But anyway, he was texting to Rebecca, Prime Minister of the UK at the time.
It all came to light in which inquiry was that? We've had so many inquiries.
They all lead to nothing. But anyway, so it came out that the funniest thing I thought was lol, you know, in texting, David Cameron thought it was lots of love.
And laugh out loud. Yes, exactly. He didn't know that. He thought it was lots of love.
Well, David Cameron was a fraudster. He was a great.
It was a good orator and he was well trained at Eaton to do that.
But the problem is, I think when you got into a small group where he was actually coming into sort of intimate contact almost with with with ordinary people, he was so nervous because he knew it was a fraud.
He couldn't make his mind up. He apparently supported Aston Villa because that was only because somebody had left him a load of shares in the company.
And then he knew it was Clariton Blue and he actually said in a speech that he was a West Ham supporter.
I mean, he is actually a fraudster. So to some extent, it was all it was all it was the air to Blair.
It was all it was all just spin and and also him and Osborne.
They always thought it was all just a game. It was like the Eaton Wall game.
Sure. Yeah. Also, I'm sick of these Eaton boys because quite honestly, they've had such a fantastic education and so much is expected of them because they have the best education that money can buy.
Their ambition is is only to fulfill the expectation.
And they do that by becoming prime minister like Boris did and like David Cameron did.
And the problem is that they've then achieved 95 percent of what they wanted because they've become prime minister.
They don't know what to do. Whereas Mrs. Thatcher, at least when she it was five percent becoming prime minister and 95 percent.
What I'm going to do when I become prime minister with those guys, it was always the other way around.
They'd they'd done it all they wanted. It was on it.
Boris only wanted to be prime minister because he thought he was better at Eaton and was better regarded than Cameron Cameron.
He'd been prime minister. That was the only reason it was a bit of rivalry between two old school boys.
Incredible. There's nothing in there for the country at all.
No. And there won't be many bigger crooks than I mean, more corruption went on.
A lot of stuff went on. I mean, the stuff with Uber and George Osborne and that government and Boris and there's so much stuff going on.
You know, the the the PPA, you know, 12 billion pounds worth of defective out of date PPA.
I mean, what sort of business would ever buy and pay for defective goods, let alone 12 billion pounds worth of defective goods?
Exactly. It's bonkers and no one ever gets sacked for it.
No one ever gets censured or and this is serious taxpayers money.
And now we know we have trust who's I mean, I'm afraid say well on the autistic scale.
And then we ended up with with Rishi Sunak, who's an arch globalist.
And I mean, the parties only get offered those sort of candidates.
There is no prospect of any change.
Andrew, he's a globalist and he seems to lack emotion completely.
It's like emotion is irrelevant.
I also think he's a man who's ruled by his very wealthy wife, which is never going to be a good sign.
Exactly. Too many men ruled by their women.
It's ridiculous. Should never allow it.
Anyway, so they can do it, but they have to do it subtly.
So to put it kindly, Andrew, David lacked authenticity as far as the people were concerned.
That's why he always wanted to give that big podium speech, because he was very, very good at that.
Yes, he was good at speech. He was good at the Spanish box.
He was good at the Spanish box.
But if you got in a room with 30 people and they could actually almost touch him, he wasn't very he was he used to shake.
Because he didn't know how he didn't know what ordinary people were.
He never they were. And quite honestly, unless you went to Oxford, Eaton and Oxford, Pete, you couldn't really be he couldn't relate to you.
And that isn't many people.
But don't you think, Andrew, that, you know, people don't like difficulties in their lives, you know, but without difficulties, we never learn anything.
So those those guys, you know, they've probably never been in a hole in their lives.
So they didn't know how to get out of one.
Correct. Absolutely.
Whereas you with no mains electricity till the age of 11 years old.
I thought that was quite normal.
You knew about candles.
Yes, and swinging the generator.
Swinging the generator going.
Funny. So, Andrew, can I ask you about the so it seems to me that there are four.
Also, I love ice cream because we couldn't have a freezer, you see.
I think you have to eat the ice cream when you bought it because we didn't have anywhere to keep it.
Yeah. Where did you live, Andrew?
Where were you brought up?
Never see. It's about half a mile outside my constituency.
OK, so is it very cold in winter?
So in winter ice cream wasn't a problem.
You can fancy a lot of ice cream in the wintertime.
No, that's that night was a bit of a nightmare in the winter.
Funny. So, Andrew, could I ask you the head boy bit?
What was it? Do you think that your fellow pupils or was it the teachers who voted for you as head boy?
What did they see, do you think?
And also, it was a tough school.
It was a tough school.
I mean, the Pingle Swaddling Coat was a tough school, a former mining town right next to Colville, but just over the border in Derbyshire.
Yeah, I think the major employment prospects were the military or the pits or go to prison.
That was basically the act for my school.
It was a tough, it was a very comprehensive education.
I will tell you that very comprehensive education indeed.
My main job as head boy was to make sure the prefects were there because the teachers used to run away from the school and go to the pub, try and recover.
And it was mainly to stop the school being burned down.
That was basically, it was like sort of like United Nations trying to stop the school getting burnt down.
I mean, I was pretty successful.
Literally.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They never took the porter cabins away.
I mean, obviously I couldn't save the whole school, but I saved most of it.
I mean, most of it was saved.
It got a lot worse after I wasn't there.
It did burn it down several times.
Normally the last week of the summer holidays, it used to have quite a large fire.
Funny.
Yeah. So can I ask you about, maybe you don't want to talk about it, but I'm very interested in.
So to my eyes, you're a whistleblower.
You know, maybe you don't realize that.
And you're not only a whistleblower, but I think you've been a kind of serial whistleblower as I have.
And I didn't realize what a whistleblower was.
And I think you're pretty much similar, but maybe I'm wrong.
But what was it in your, who were the biggest influences in your life?
Your mother, your father or both or uncles or grandparents or when you look back.
I was brought up by my grandmother and my maternal grandmother until I was six.
I think that's that shapes you a lot.
But she was a lovely lady.
Lovely. And she was a very good singer.
And so she had pitch perfect voice, as I can remember.
Yeah. In a little terraced house in Tamworth.
Then I moved to the small holding, which didn't have electricity until I was 11.
Yeah.
Tamworth, not very far away.
I left home when I was 18, went to university, didn't really come back.
And then went to the forces and didn't come back then until my dad was ill.
And then my mum and dad went off to live in Spain.
So I was basically the age of 20, certainly by the time I was 24,
I was head of the family and head of the business and looking after everybody.
And I quite like looking after everybody because I think it's better for all of us when I'm looking after everybody.
And now I look after a lot of people in Northwest Leicestershire and they've done well after it.
I mean, they've done well.
So we could do well to appoint you as our leader then, but we'll have to think about that.
Yeah, it's not an ideal job. I'd like to go back to sort of...
I'd like to have a normal existence now.
But I mean, there is no prospect of that when we know everything that's coming down the track at us.
The next 12, 18 months, I mean, everything's on the table now.
We're all in. They're all in. We're all in.
The next 12 months, 18 months around the world, democracy and freedom either wins or we're going into a dark age.
And I don't really want to go into a dark age. So I'm going to fight.
And also there's nowhere to run. So you might as well fight because there isn't anywhere really to run.
So there seem to be four stories, Andrew, emerging, supported by incredible propaganda.
So the COVID thing is just part of it.
Then you've got the trans thing and then you've got the Russia thing, you know, the Russia-Ukraine War.
And then you've got the... What's the other thing? Oh, climate change. Nearly forgot. The most important.
And I just wondered, how do you see those agendas?
Well, there are others, of course, you know, the financial crash and then CBD.
Yes, and the digital ID is bought in by Rishi's father in North company.
He'll make tens of billions out of that forever. I mean, it's just a joke. They're not even subtle nowadays.
So corrupt.
How do you see those agendas playing out?
I try and concentrate myself on the vaccine arms to start with, because quite honestly, it's very sad.
Unfortunately, they can't hide the bodies.
And I can win on that, I think. I mean, it's unraveling pretty quick.
Once people have realized that, then I can take them a little...
I'm already exploring the... I'm fighting them off on the trans stuff.
I asked Rishi the question that PMQ's a couple of weeks ago.
I can tell you now, a little tip bit, I've got a 10-minute rule motion on the 27th of this month.
That's going to be a corker.
I'm going to ask Parliament for permission to bring in a bill for the protection of children in school
from social transitioning.
I'm going to put that in a way that's going to make it very difficult for them.
And again, that's going to exploit that one.
I shall annoy Penny Mordant's Business of the House questions on Thursday.
She's the leader of the House, by the way, for the people who don't know.
She's a real weirdo, in my opinion. But anyway...
Well, I mean, yeah. It's a funny family, to be honest.
Yes, exactly. Only in the UK.
So, I just wanted to ask you about...
Yeah, so what... So I get asked this all the time, Andrew, and I suppose you do too.
What do you think that each individual member within this group can do best to help you and us and humanity?
I think wherever you are, you've just got to be relentless in recruiting as many people as you can.
And we've got to do it gently.
If people aren't awake...
The analogy I always use is, you know, I can drag someone to church and make them listen to a sermon,
but I can't make them believe in God, can I?
They have to come to that themselves. It's a bit like waking up.
But you can just drop the lines in and just sow the seeds.
And when they're ready, they'll come. But people are waking up.
And one thing for sure is when people have woken up, I don't think there's any bit of propaganda on the BBC
or a leaflet from any of the political parties that's going to put them back to sleep again.
And if they wake up on one issue, then they start to question everything, then they...
And then they go through that hopeless stage of everything's a lie.
And that lasts about probably four weeks, and then they start to hopefully fight back.
Exactly. So the excess deaths, it seems to me that they can't hide the excess deaths.
Yeah, but I've been asking for a debate every week for six months, and they won't give me one.
And I went to the ballot. It can't be that unlucky in the ballot for a German debate or a Westminster Hall debate,
but I didn't get one again this week, so I put in straight back in again.
So I've got two debates I'm asking for. One is the Westminster Hall debate for three hours on the excess deaths.
And when I go down to the Labour end of the Tea Room and say, come on, guys, sign this piece of paper,
we can have a debate on excess deaths, and you can stand up in the chamber and make a political point saying
it's all those appalling Tories, they've ruined the health service.
So that's what you can say. You can make that. When I do that to them and they turn around to me and say,
no, we don't want to talk about it, then I know something's gone seriously wrong with our democracy.
Yes, and their heads. Yeah. So the other thing that is very important, in my opinion, Andrew,
and I don't know whether you've looked at the figures worldwide, the number of live births in each
individual country should be extremely interesting. And I don't I haven't had time to look at them yet,
but I keep asking people to look at them. But I haven't heard.
It's interesting, isn't it, that there were two two figures that the government used to produce and make public
on a monthly or quarterly basis. One was deaths by thrombosis, blood clots, and the other one was stillbirths.
And in 2020, before the vaccine rollout, they will stop doing all of that. Sure.
It's almost as if they knew that they were going to be. They've never ever released any figures since those that day.
In fact, a charity called Thrombosis UK a couple of weeks ago said they produced a press release saying
we've got so many people dying of thrombosis and such an incidence of it as well.
And I think that's the reason why people are saying that, you know, we need these figures and nothing crickets from the government.
It's not a coincidence. I mean, as an old policeman said to me, he's long dead now and said,
if you start believing in coincidence, Andrew, you get you are going mad, he said, because they don't really happen.
Correct. In the policing world and in the world of crime.
Charles, so on the subject of crime, can't you accuse them straight out with ongoing uninvestigated, uninvestigated serious crime?
I asked a question of the attorney general a couple of weeks ago.
And the question was that I was asking her what she was doing to adjust financial fraud.
Because, I mean, you don't really think, you know, all these transsexual clinics and the abortion, you don't really think they use their own money to pay for all they used.
They're stealing it. They're stealing the money.
It's banking fraud worldwide where the banks are shutting down legitimate companies, then selling them off cheap.
Yes. Yeah. And that's going on all the time.
Anyway, I said my question to the attorney general, which was answered by the solicitor general, because she dodged it in the chamber, was that I got I got whistled by I was give her compelling evidence of
fraud in financial institutions, financial regulators and the judiciary.
And what she made with me. And she told me to go to the regulators.
Well, I mean, what's the matter with that?
Yes. So you're talking about crime and she says go to the regulators.
Yeah, I told her that I've got evidence that they're corrupt.
Is that the FSA?
Yeah.
Yes. Okay.
And the FCA. Yeah.
And yeah.
Will you take questions from other people?
I'll take any questions. All comers.
Excellent. Great.
Well done. Great, great intro, Stephen and Andrew. That is a powerful story.
I urge people to share that first half hour that Andrew shared with us. Mark Dyer.
Thank you. Thank you.
Hi, Andrew.
Thank you for everything that you've been doing and continue to do.
I had a very nice day out on the 13th of May.
Unfortunately, the crowd wasn't as large as I had expected.
Now, what I'd like to ask is you to you know, you've joined Reclaim.
Now, having joined Reclaim, what's the strategy for actually being able to win not only your own seat, but other seats for Reclaim?
Because at the moment, what I see, because I went and joined the Alliance for Freedom and Democracy,
but what I see is that we've got too many parties maybe going after the same seats.
And somehow, unless we come together with some common ground, we're actually going to play into the hands because, for example, we had the local elections.
I stood under the banner of the Alliance for Democracy and Freedom, and most people hadn't heard of them.
I went round to over 2000 homes, leafletting, spoke to about 150 people.
They were very interested.
But when it came to the vote, there was only a 30% turnout and of the 30%, my wife and I, we got 11.6% of the vote.
The Labour Party candidate got 11% and he didn't do any campaigning whatsoever.
Now, you are right. We have got to have an alliance of the smaller opposition parties who aren't bought and owned.
I don't know if I'm hopefully not giving away any trade secrets.
We've not been able to, the Reclaim Party, despite being fully authorized by the Electoral Commission for three years,
we've never been allowed to have a bank account that we could pay any money in apart from one donor.
No bank could let us in the UK. Tomorrow, we should have a bank account.
And the amount of work that's going to, I believe it when it happens tomorrow, but it's supposed to be happening tomorrow.
And then we can actually start taking memberships and things like that.
Then I'm in a position, we're going to be speaking to all the other smaller parties and we'll see how, we really need everyone to put their egos to one side.
We have an existential threat not only to democracy, but to humanity.
And anyone who's not willing to join the resistance is not for us and we'll flush out whatever.
I mean, I was disappointed with reform.
Their response to the vaccine harms was very, very disappointing.
And I don't believe they are that politically disconnected.
Something didn't make sense about what they were saying.
But I think I'll leave that there. We'll see.
Okay.
What I picked up, I mean, I'm just, this is from the heart.
All right. I want to see the government gone and I want to see change.
But I have to be realistic.
You have got a very good following.
People will follow you.
But I find that people are not cognizant, let's say, of the attributes that Lawrence Fox brings as a leader.
So is there a plan to actually have, he can still be the leader, but are you going to be leading the campaign because people can get behind you?
But I'm afraid people are not going to get behind Lawrence Fox.
Yes, that will be the plan. The politics is left to me.
Lawrence is a figurehead who, he's a sort of issues guy.
He was counseled himself by the woke.
He's got many attributes.
But he's very limited experience in politics.
He's a reluctant politician. I was a volunteer. He was pressed.
Yeah, but I mean, Lawrence likes doing what he does.
He's got a good platform on GB News. He can read a script and play the part.
But at the end of the day, we're building something.
I think Reclaim will have some, I can't tell you any names, but I think you'll find they have some some very well known candidates.
OK.
And we do definitely need to do a non-aggression pact, at least with the other parties.
I'd like it to be better than that. But I mean, at the end of the day, I can only get what I can get.
Now that we tomorrow, hopefully, we've got a bank account.
There's a lot of people out there who are politically homeless.
And I know a lot of people who are fairly well-heeled, who realize that we've got to have a massive change.
And if anyone's out there thinking that they're going to vote Labour and it's going to be all different,
it's going to be the same on steroids, I should think, especially if they give Labour a big majority and they've got five years.
You can't stand another five years of this. I don't know.
We are drinking in the last chance saloon. And, you know, there's a reason why they've never let.
I mean, what can I tell you?
Andrew, there's a reason why reclaims not been allowed to have a bank account.
And you wouldn't believe the pressure we've had to put on a bank to get a bank account.
It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
I think, Andrew, that there is a big obstacle.
You know, the mainstream media, for example, my wife and I, we were posting on next door and we had some of our posts removed.
Right. So there's a there's a huge amount of negativity to the other parties.
Right. And they've got the mainstream media is is bought and paid for, isn't it?
I mean, they're fully committed. Their their hands are not in the blood.
They're up to their armpits. I mean, yeah, we don't get any change.
But, you know, the BBC News lost a mill, lost 10 percent of their viewers in the last six months.
And it's going to accelerate. People aren't watching that anymore because they know it's not of its true, is it?
But it also looks like a video game. Andrew, what do you mean by that?
Well, the photography is poor. And, you know, the it's not like it used to be or like I remember it.
Not that it was perfect before, but it's it's just ridiculous.
It's ridiculous now. It just doesn't feel real at all.
I don't know. I don't watch it. So, you know, I don't know.
All right, Mark, we're going to move on with a lot of hands up.
And we've only got Andrew for a limited time. So thank you.
Thank you, Mark. Thank you. You're welcome.
Your story reminds me of Victor Orban, the prime minister of Hungary and Prime Minister Duda
of Poland. And if you read the principles that they've espoused of of personal responsibility of support for the family of opposing transgender,
they are criticized in the mainstream media in Australia, in America as populist leaders, both of them overwhelming majorities like you and everybody, please note.
So if you want to understand, I understand as well that from the polling, the UK population is the is the is the most resistant to this trans rubbish in the world.
Good. Well, I was I was wondering, there was a documentary done, someone might have the link to it, that the lifetime value of a transgender,
of a transitioning person to the pharmaceutical industry is seven to eight million dollars per person.
That's the lifetime value of the drugs. It doesn't surprise me. But also, if you've seen the they've got the highest suicide rates, even post transition, that is enormous.
I mean, they're so unhappy. OK, that's a great start to having a place as well.
So if anyone knows that documentary, my wife saw it, but that's the number that's what's driving this agenda.
Now, Andrew York, it's just it can I just say it's not just about money.
The whole trans thing is about breaking social bonds.
We know exactly. It's not just about money.
Come on, Stephen, you've had your you've had your go.
Sorry, yes, yes.
So on a local council level, because Mark Dyer and others on this call, you made the important point.
People have thought in Australia that local councils really don't matter.
But what it appears is that there's some really particularly with 5G rollout.
My question to you is what what advice, quick advice do you give to us who say, hey, we'll stand to do what your friends do stand for local council?
Because very few of us would be approved by the existing parties and we don't want to be.
What's the game plan to get elected? You know, what's what are some?
You've got to go and not you've got to go and knock on doors.
Let's get your vote out. But it's actually only speaking to people that ever converts.
There's not many people converted apart from actually speaking to people.
I mean, they are looking for a change at the moment, I would say.
You know, this low traffic neighborhoods, the 15 minute so-called 15 minute cities.
I mean, no one's ever voted for that. I mean, they tried to bring it in the UK in Oxford.
But they would think that was the most woke place in Britain.
They're probably right. But 90 percent of the locals in Oxford didn't want it.
And, you know, they're up in arms about it. So this is really good.
I think I think I think the globalists lost four years with Trump and Brexit.
And I think your 2030 agenda has had to be compressed.
And now they're trying to rush. They're making mistakes.
And it's pushing it too fast for the people. And that's got to play into our hands.
I mean, that's why they're so desperate. They don't want Trump back in again, do they?
The globalists don't. So, everybody, that's that's the lesson.
Face to face conversation. If you're standing for local council, I think it's very important.
You also said that you put a great team around you, you know, that you didn't do it by yourself to get elected.
And I think that's an important lesson. And the last question before we go to James.
Well, I put a leaflet out in my seat since I've moved to the Reclaim Party.
And I've got there was a piece on that they could either go online or send a card back.
And I've got 200 people volunteered to help me deliver leaflets.
That's that's as many as I've ever had. I can deliver a leaflet to every house in my constituency in 24 hours with 200 people.
OK, everybody, that's what we need. Leaflet strategies work.
And last, you know, I've been the MP for Northwestern for 13 years.
I did four years as a candidate. I went around every house.
I think it was thirty eight thousand houses. I went firstly around every house three times in those four years.
Obviously, somebody and some people are never in. I mean, I did build up 73 percent canvas returns.
So I spoke to 73 percent of the electors and they told me which way they were going to vote.
And they're pretty straightforward in Northwestern, they'll tell you.
And, you know, 10,000 of the household said they'd never vote for me ever, never vote conservative.
They weren't telling the truth because they all vote for me now.
But I mean, at the time, I didn't send them any leaflets after that was only going to annoy them for the next election.
So that left me extra in the budget then to slip an extra leaflet to the household who said they would vote for me.
The 24,000 that said they were going to vote for me. So that's fine.
But it is only that personal interaction that converts people.
Great list. Great list.
You've got to get your priorities right.
I mean, what are the issues, the knife issues that separate you from and quite honestly, where we are now, there's no difference between labor and constipation.
But they pretend it's a pantomime in the parliament.
They'll agree to disagree on a few items, but all the big stuff, the stuff that's really changed people's lives, the lockdowns, the vaccines, the WHO, they're in lockstep.
They're all in lockstep.
I mean, thank you.
All right. James Rogusky, who's doing some great work, Andrew, as I'm sure you know.
He is.
Charles, thank you. And I'll be respective. I know Andrew's got to get some sleep and there's a bunch of hands behind me.
I want to pass on to you something that I hope you still have some friends in parliament.
I was watching an interview with Sir Christopher Chope and he was asked about the pandemic treaty and I was impressed that he talked about certain details about the zero draft.
But what I want to get across is the two days again.
Exactly. Well, Friday. And so there's a new draft out. I've done a lot of reporting on it.
Obviously, you're aware of it.
We have to all shift what we think we know about what it is they're doing.
And so you said, will you send your notes to me because they're very useful.
Certainly, I certainly will.
And so for the folks here in Australia, I think there's about a day left to sign a petition. And the thing I want to ask you, Andrew, is I've also been reporting on the fact that last year, amendments to the international health regulations were adopted.
And so very similarly to the debate, if you want to call it that.
That's what I put in for. So my debates for next week, I put in for in Parliament. One is the is the Westminster Hall debate on the excess deaths.
And I put in for a German debate on the amendments to the international health regulations.
You continue to be a hero. So thank you for that. And I will want to just say one thing about Australia.
There's a petition that I think has about a day or so left.
You can go to Australia exits the W.H.O. .com sign on to that. And if you go to UK.stop the amendments.com and I've put these in the chat. You can find them.
And am I right? Am I right, James, that if if we don't do anything and they're adopted, there's some sort of clause in there now that we can't get out the W.H.O. for two years.
That's a conflation of the two things. I'll get the details and such to you. The amendments that
were adopted last year have until the end of November to say no. And that process is what
confuses everybody. There's 307 amendments being secretly discussed now for potential adoption
next year. And the thing that happened last year is kind of like a proof of concept.
If the unelected delegates adopt the amendments, which they are likely to do because it's pretty
much rigged, that's it. Okay. And so that has to be stopped now. I don't know who's been negotiating
this rubbish on behalf of anybody. Because if I'd have been in the room and they started
coming up with any of this, I'd have said I'm not on your matter.
Understood. So the confusion is it's all backwards. If they adopt it, it's assumed that the nation
automatically accepts it unless there's a proactive rejection of it. And so I'll leave it there. I'll
let everyone else have a chance. I know you've got to get some sleep. Thank you so much for
all that you've done. I appreciate it. You know, from afar, I'm in California.
James, it's so much appreciated. Can you contact Elon Musk and have him clone you so that we can
have more of you walking around? That'd be great. I don't think we want any more big pharma.
Thank you, James. John, if you're not there, Leonard, you go. John, you're, John's having his
post-line stuff. He's told us that he has, what is it? Narcolepsy? Not narcolepsy,
Stephen. What did he say it was? Anyway, he has, he falls asleep.
What was it? Low blood pressure. Just tired after lots of alcohol with his lunch. But he said,
he said last week, Stephen, it was low blood pressure. Too much of a good thing is marvelous
and doesn't happen often enough. Very good. Leonard, you now unmute yourself, Leonard.
Come on. Is it John or Leonard? John's unmuted himself. Okay, John.
I was trying to talk before. Can you hear me now? Yep. Yeah. Okay. I was trying to do my video too,
but that's off and I know why. And when I said before, it's just low blood pressure. All the
blood goes to my stomach for digestion. Anyway, Andrew, good to see you. I spoke to you last time
you were on. I thank you for all that you do. Pardon my questions as they start and build up,
as the question builds up. I'm not, just be easy. It's not going to be bad. When you were on the
first time, I asked you a question and you said, you can't do it until you get more support. And I
understand that. Scott Jensen, I spoke to in the same week. He ran for governor of Minnesota and
he was a state senator in Minnesota. And I posed the same question to him and he said,
that's never going to happen. Next question. And a week later we had on, I forget his name. It was
a senator from Australia. Sorry, Malcolm Roberts or was it, what's his name? We had three senators.
Alexander or Gerard Renick? Yes. I think it was Renick. Renick ran away. He ran away a bit.
So I posed the same question to him and got a similar answer. Now, my question has to do with,
when you approach an issue and you're trying to gather support for the issue among other
members of parliament, if it's a really important issue, do you put together a strategic plan
in how to win them over, win others over to your side? Or is it just, you're always churning
in a manner of just always trying to win them over and everybody's just trying to get everybody
on their side to force an issue? When I speak in the chamber now, John, they try and run out
the chamber so they can say to them, they can hear what I say. I mean, they are so intimidated.
What I have to do is I have to win with the public and then the public put pressure on
their elected representatives. Loads of them know the truth. I don't want to mention names,
but I mean, very well-known figures in the Conservative Party and the government,
and they've turned around to me and had private meetings. They've turned around to me and said,
this is back in January, Andrew, there's no appetite currently for your views on the vaccines.
There may well be in 20 years time when you're probably going to be proved right.
But I warn you, in the meantime, you're taking on the most powerful vested interest in the world
with all the risk, personal risk that that will entail for you. I mean, what are you supposed to
do? I mean, these people, they know. In parliament, there's 4,000 real people, John,
that work in parliament, the cooks, the cleaners, the security guards, the clerks.
80% of them know. What? And all the elected representatives don't know it's a cover-up,
but they all know that I can't persuade them anymore. The only thing that's going to persuade
them is public opinion. When we move to the next election, they'll have to be exposed for what they
are, won't they? Yeah. I can't. Well, it's the same politics. You want a friend, buy yourself a dog.
And if you're in trouble, you've got no friends in politics. And they've poured a lot of stuff onto
me. But I mean, quietly in court. I've probably had about 30 MPs from across the house come to
me over the last six months and said, you're definitely onto something with the vaccine
harms. Keep going. But they never stand up with me. They never stand up with me in the chamber.
In fact, a lot of them hate it. Every time I give a speech, they'll all get their constituents
emailing them. And then they'll have to say, I'm talking rubbish, because that's the party line.
And it just nails their colors to the sinking ship's mast, doesn't it?
Yeah. I spoke at the Massachusetts State House probably three weeks ago on two days. One day was
supposed to be with some of the members, House members. And the other day was with the vaccine
injured. I spoke with Ron Johnson on the Capitol Hill. I went over to Washington
Christmas and spoke and met Ron Johnson in his office up there. When they threw me out of the
Conservative Party for my views on the vaccines, and not backing down, after 13 years as an MP,
excuse me, Andrew. Deborah, could you please switch? I'm trying to mute you.
You're not speaking and there's noise coming from your microphone.
Well, yes, but watch it. Sorry.
So after 13 years, they threw me out the Conservative Party over having a view.
And not one of my colleagues I've worked with for 13 years contacted me. The only politician who
contacted me within an hour was from America, was Robert Kennedy Jr., who rang me to say it was
appalling. It's a crazy world. We're living in a crazy world. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad he contacted
you. I think he's genuine. Yeah, I do too. They're scared of him. They're scared of him. Yes.
Scared of the name. He just did Jordan Peterson yesterday after the Twitter space thing he did
with Elon Musk. He's hitting all the right venues because, well, the big news media,
they won't have him. No. He's doing better with the other guys. He has a good crew. I think he
has a chance. I really do. I hope so. I hope so. He deserves it.
Gotta get moving. Thank you, John. Leonard, unmute yourself.
Leonard? You muted Leonard.
Can you hear me now? Yep. Yeah. Andrew, good evening. Thank you for appearing on
and presenting yourselves this evening. Thank you for your courage, your courage and passion,
and your seeking for truth. My name is Chris Leonard. I'm an original entry into
Nottingham University from 1969. I've read chemistry, biochemistry, and that was 1969,
a few years ago. I'm an independent scientist and for the last, well, since 1999, I've been
working on alternative to antibiotics and alternative strategies for the equivalence of vaccines.
You won't be surprised that I've been refused and told at numerous occasions that I'll never
get a UK grant. What I would like to do, Andrew, is I've met with the greatest scientists. One was
Nobel Prize winner in medicine, Ross Sinkele, in following a conference I went to in 2006.
I would like the opportunity of speaking to you at a later date to either yourself or your other
scientists that support you and give you advice about the science which I've come up with,
which is quite unique. You may have heard, I don't know if you have ever heard of the one?
I can put you in touch with, if you drop me an email, and you can get that from Stephen,
Stephen, you can put my parliamentary email in the chat and if you want to contact me,
yes, I'm sure I can put you in, well, all the trusted eminent scientists I'm in touch with.
That's fine. All I'll ask is that I have tried, yeah, if I can get through to Stephen and he can
give you a direct line, because otherwise it's somewhat difficult. I can sort that out for you.
Yeah, it's all linked into one of the things you will ask the question is have you ever heard of
the One Health concept? Yes, that's the WHO takeover every aspect of our life. No, well,
can I say that I believe I was the first one to put those three words together in a conference
in 2004. It was an organic conference which links the health of animals, humans and the planet,
not the WHO. I think I was the first one, this 2004. It's basically, it's based on a
conserved immune system. It's the way the world works. It's incredible science.
Well, I suppose imitation is the greatest form of flattery if the WHO are ripping you off.
Yes, so yes, I can put you in touch with all the eminent scientists who are free thinkers,
yes, certainly. Okay, next question. Martin.
Yeah, hi, hi to everybody. Nice to see you. Thank you very much.
Martin, I just wanted to tell Andrew that Martin is a professor as I know it in from Austria,
and a very well respected scientist and medical doctor who's done the right thing.
Thank you, Stephen. Thank you so much for your kind comment. I mean, I'm happy to be back to
this group. I've been here only on various occasions because it's always time constraints
that keep me off, but it's very nice to be and Andrew, thank you very much for
giving me the opportunity also to talk to you. I mean, I really felt very sad when
UK did the Brexit, but I still I think maybe it was the right move. Because when you look at the
European Union at the moment, this is really bad. I mean, just a brief part of my view, and I apologize
for English is not my first language. So maybe it's not the best. But anyhow, I think we are
all somehow caught in a tunnel that is just focused on COVID-19 and SARS-CoV-2. And this
is such a bad thing because it was constructed and it was designed for many, many years.
So that the problems that arise from it, not only work that the virus come from and the lab
things and all these things, but also COVID-19 and all the measures and all that. And now the
bad consequences of the spiking. I mean, I don't call it vaccination. I call it spike because
you see a vaccination might do in some instances, at least a little bit of good,
but this does only bad. And it's no vaccine. And I think it's very, if you look into detail,
it's not the vaccine at all. And I think we should not call it like that. But I failed to raise this
kind of point in the public. So people are still talking about vaccines when they talk about these
spiking substances. But anyhow, I mean, we all are focused on that and the damage that is done.
But I think we don't realize, and not this group, but I mean, the public does not realize
what is really behind it. It's the distraction and we are distracted from the upcoming real problems.
This Office for Truth or Ministry of Truth in Brussels that is going to be established
by the end of August, where every kind of criticism might be labeled as misinformation
with all the fines that could arise from that. So even Twitter and all those are forced
to scan. There are all the messages that get through. And if something is told, which is in
contrast to the narrative or what they say is the truth, it not only will be eliminated,
but there will be huge fines on that, which will be millions of dollars if they don't
behave in the right way. We have this pandemic treaty of the WHO, which, as you know, was now,
let's say, they agreed on it and it will have 12 more months to get into action. And after that,
we are maybe done. And especially the Article 3 and the international health regulations,
where the human rights, the human dignity and the human rights and freedom all should be
erased and replaced by some weird expressions. And I think we should make sure that all the people
know this won't stop by itself. We have to get into action and it's up to us to get it stopped,
which is very, very difficult. I know, but maybe, I mean, I'm no political person, but I think
a person and you have a huge experience in that, but I'm a little bit involved in discussions about
it. Yeah, but you have to remember that I joined with a glad heart to politics and it's only been
over the last three or four years I've realized, I thought we were playing rugby and we've been
playing hockey all the time. It's a different game. Yeah, yeah. I think the main point that
this could maybe make a difference is if you identify people who are willing to
go your way and to join you, if you identify the goal, which is 51%
for the next election, it's very clear. You must have the majority to get...
I think we can get the people. It's getting the current crop of politicians we've got.
They are either corrupted or some of them are scared, some of them are stupid and some of them
know everything. A lot of them know everything. Some of them just don't think we can win and so
wouldn't be willing to sacrifice. They think we're a forlorn oak, so they're not willing to sacrifice.
But I mean, that's a self-fault. If you don't try, you're definitely not going to win, are you?
Yeah, I think the good... Well, in a way, it can't carry on like it is for much longer because
it's all going to happen in the next couple of years max. I think what you're seeing is
the Chinification of Western societies. I think they've looked at the Chinese model and thought,
that's just fantastic. You've got capitalism, you can make loads of money, you can keep the
people controlled. That's the model we want. Well, unfortunately, they're trying to bring it in by
stealth because no one's ever going to vote for that in a Western democracy. So it's just the
stealth of bringing that in, isn't it? But I don't know how many people... But I think 20% of people
have woken up in the UK now and it's taken quite a long time to get from 10 to 20, but I don't think
it's going to take any longer to get from 20 to 40. And that's too much for them. They can't
handle that. Yeah. Well, I think maybe this is what we are discussing actually in our region,
that maybe even people from different political parties, that they link up because... It's not
about right and left anymore. It's about right and left. Yeah, I know. But you see, I think
if you're going... When the next election is, that you come up with a short list of very important
defined goals, which everybody could realize and understand and follow and say, if you're not for
my party, but in this party, there are also people who are going the same way. And we share these
ideas so that... Absolutely. No matter whether you take this or this person for the election,
it will result in some change of the way you have to get into the driver's seat, because otherwise
we know in which direction it will go. So, I mean, if we don't change the system, if we don't change
the system, we will get into the social credit system of the Chinese. Absolutely. This is for sure.
And with all the consequences, and I think people should be made aware, even those sitting on the
parliament, that nobody of those who are sitting here will be able to escape the system. I think
the politicians, they will be puppet on the strings only, as well as the judges, the advocates,
the priests, the teachers, the journalists, the doctors, everybody. Okay, Martin, we've got
Martin, come on, question. I think some of them are thinking they'll sit at the back of the henhouse
and just get eaten last. Well, I mean, that's not a good strategy. Okay, one more.
Just the last thing. I mean, we tried to establish now some kind, we always made to think that we are
a few people only. And this is somehow to counteract. And do you see any chance to gather
people around you, maybe with a symbol? I'm coming to Brussels. We have these white bracelets. Now,
90,000 have been distributed in Austria and in Germany, business people of the
middle range class are now themselves taking these white bracelets. And they will also
distribute it to their employees so that they can show in public. And I've seen policemen
wearing this and I've seen businessmen wearing this. Stop, stop, stop. Okay.
I've been out to Norway, they gave me a big paper clip. That's the international sign of
resistance to oppression. They haven't got anybody to speak for them in Norway. So I
speak for them in my parliament as well. So I wear that. We've started the paperclip rebellion
over here. So people wear a paperclip on their lapel or on their hat, just like the Norwegians
did during the occupation. And so you are absolutely right. But I don't know how fast
it's growing in Austria, but I feel a real momentum over the last six weeks. And every
time someone wakes up, I just don't see that there's anything on the BBC news or a leaflet
from the government or any other political party. They can't be put back to sleep again.
So that's the only good news is once people have woken up, they only see more things.
They don't see less and they're not going to go back to sleep. So it's a one-way street as far as
the people are concerned. But it is Chinification if we don't deal with it. May I just put the
question and final question? Do you have any suggestion to us how maybe we could manage to
improve the situation to get a turn to out of your political experience? What have you got in
your parliament? Will it even speak out? It's the far right people who are mostly doing these things
and in Germany as well, because I'm in Austria and in Germany. So in both countries, it's far right
and a little bit of the far left, but not in the middle. No, this is.
Yeah, it's the same here really as well. Anyway, that's a big question, Mark. We haven't got time
for that. We've got two, Andrew, two because Leo is in Borneo. I don't want to be called. I'm
certainly not far right, but I am right so far. Well said. Well said. All right, so two questions,
Janet and then Leo. Leo is in Borneo. Andrew gets up at 3am to listen to you. So we should give him
the reward. But first, quick question, then Leo, and then we'll let you go.
It's a quick question, Andrew. There was an article in the Daily Telegraph, I think it was a week last
Friday, which stated that a number of British MPs had approached a particular Foreign Office
Minister about the international health regulations because they were unhappy about it. And he said
there was no negotiation, they'd already been accepted. And it seems as though the pandemic
treaty discussions are actually a bit of a smokescreen because the IHR has already been accepted
according to this report. Is there any truth in that? I think there is. And as James just pointed
out, if we, you know, we need to object to that, that's why I'm asking for the debate on the
international health regulation, which has never been debated. We did get a public petitions debate
on the post-pandemic accord or treaty. And I tried to drag in about the international health
amendments to the international. But there's a lot of overlap between them and they're complimentary.
And then it may be that they'll let the treaty drop, because they know they're going to get
the amendments to the 2005 regulations and they're just as toxic. But ultimately,
we've got a lot of press resistance in the UK. I think we've probably got one of the most managed
press anywhere in the world. It is very well managed, but the word is getting out there
on social media and there's nothing much they can do about it. But you are right. I mean, they've
planned this for a very long time. They've got contingency plans. They've got fallback positions
all the time and we're having to deal with it as it goes along. Yeah. I mean, how does it...
Yeah, you wonder how the Foreign Office has actually got the authority to
okay this on behalf of the government when it hasn't been...
It's not even that, is it? I mean, they're okaying it on behalf of the people. It's the people that
are sovereign. It's the people. Politicians are, we're here today, gone tomorrow. Could be gone
this afternoon. The sovereignty belongs to the people. It's not mine to give away. It's nobody
else's in that parliament to give away either. It's not theirs to give away. It belongs to the people.
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. We didn't vote to leave the European Union, so we weren't run by
unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats to handle all this power to the WHO, who are the most
unaccountable, unelected people. They don't pay tax anywhere in the world and they're immune from
prosecution because they and their families have got diplomatic immunity. I can't think of anyone
I would rather not have the ability to tell my constituents whether they... what medications
they've got to have and whether they're allowed to go out of their houses or not. There is no way
that I'm going to ever settle for any of that. Right. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Last one. Leo.
Thank you very much, Andrew. I actually just donated to your campaign to Sue Matt Hancock
while I was waiting for this call. Good man. Good man. Thank you all. Thank you for speaking out.
I just had a quick question. While I was reading up around that, I read an open letter from
two Freedom Alliance and Informed Consent Matters to you and I wondered if you'd replied to their
questions or concerns publicly. I just couldn't find anything online. Yeah. Well, it's all about
time and whether that's a good use of my time. I've seen the letter and it's with my people.
We can deal with all of those issues. There are a number of people that think I'm some sort of
managed opposition or something. It's a load of old rubbish. I mean, I'm not managing very well.
The government has managed to separate me from every penny I've got in the world and
I've got a fortune, personal fortune before I was in politics, about 20 million.
I have no access to that or my private pension because of what the government has done to me.
The first thing they do is isolate you financially. Thank you very much for your time. Good luck.
You're welcome. You're welcome. Keep the faith. Well, Stephen, last question to you. So,
Andrew, we'll let Andrew go to bed. Sure. Andrew, so, Leo is interesting because he's an expert on
primates. He's in Borneo, Indonesia at the moment. So, it's Orangutan, is it? Yes, he's an expert on
Orangutans, I think. Is that right, Leo? That's correct, yeah. Yeah. Now, the interesting thing
about Leo is that I think he joined us about a year ago. I can't remember how he found us, but anyway,
he told me that there had been no pandemic in the primate population around the world. He knew that
and so I asked him whether he would have expected that if there was a real pandemic amongst human
beings and he said, of course. Well, there wouldn't have been a pandemic of anything else. If we hadn't
sent any PCR tests out, there wouldn't have been a pandemic anywhere, would there? Absolutely, yeah.
So, but the point is that it's something that could be used, you know, against your fellow MPs
to make them look stupid because they wouldn't know how to answer that, you know. So, if Leo
briefed you on the science behind primate pandemics, including man, you can't have a
pandemic in man and not one in the primates, apparently, and there was no pandemic in the
primates. I'd be interested if you could pass me my email address. I'd be interested in that evidence.
Excellent, I thought you might be. So, Leo, will you email me and I'll pass it on to
Andrew or you can email him directly. It's in the chat, but I'd like to be if you could
copy me in, that'd be great. Ladies and gentlemen, it's been a lovely pleasure, but I would,
you don't want to lose me on the M1. Can I just ask you one more question, Andrew?
So, it seems to me that... You're going to anyway, aren't you? Very quickly. Well, sorry.
So, I've been planning to ask you this question. So, it seems to me that everything we've been
talking about constitutes totalitarianism. Now, the average man in the UK and around the world
doesn't understand, or woman doesn't understand what totalitarianism is. And I... Well, we take
our democracy for granted, that's where we're born in it. We've not... The UK, we're not... We've not
been occupied for a thousand years plus, and we've got very, very lax. Absolutely. So, what I wanted
to ask you, I've got people in the group who I'm aware of who are very, very good at messaging.
And so... And you are very good at messaging as well, Andrew, and I just... I would have thought...
I would have thought there's going to be a big kickback from the old Eastern block of Europe,
people who in their lifetimes have been under communism. I can't see that they're going to be
very... They're going to see all the signs of this, and that's really going to kick off.
Yes. So, the point I'm trying to make is this. Instead of warning people about all the different
manifestations of totalitarianism that we're seeing at the moment, and the propaganda, we need
to educate them gently, maybe, and very simply about what totalitarianism is, so that they can
see themselves coming down the line. So, instead of giving them fish, give them a fishing rod.
Teach them how to fish, feed them for life. Yeah. Correct. Yeah. Okay. I agree. Okay. So,
we'll try and work on this. Thank you, Andrew. Everyone, a round of applause for him. Thank you.
Great job. Thank you so much for helping us out. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you, Beavis.
Bye-bye. Bye-bye.
All right. So, hands up for comments, questions, thoughts. While you're thinking about that,
I think the crucial lesson for us all that Andrew shared is the need to speak to your constituents.
38,000 households. I think it was 38,000, wasn't it? Or 73,000. 38,000.
That was it. That was it. 38,000 it was, actually. Yeah.
Yeah. So, he, it's mouth to mouth. He can use a leaflet now because he's well-known.
And that's an end. He also said, speak gently. If you're a candidate for local council or election,
you don't go onto the doorstep of somebody and ram your views down their throat. That's the lesson
for both of us. And Bobby Kennedy shared that with us as well. You speak to people. We plant the seed.
And many of us do it. And it's just a great reminder of the need to keep doing it.
So, the democratic process is the face-to-face conversation. So, let's be aware of that.
All right. So, hands up in order. So, John, over to you. And Stephen, well done for organizing.
Andrew, because he's, as you all know, is ridiculously busy. So, we're lucky to have had him.
John. Yeah. So, on Sunday, I'm trying to get
Christine Anderson again because she's another one who's absolutely brilliant. She really
understands totalitarianism because she was born in East Germany. And I think she was born in East
Germany anyway. But anyway, she's always talking about totalitarianism and that's what we need.
And she explains it in very simple terms. We're simple people. We need simple terms.
Oh, no. It's not for us, Charles. It's how we get the message out to…we understand. Well,
not all of us understand it, but yeah, hopefully we do.
I'm being playful. Yes. John.
Okay. So, just an explanation of what I was getting at because it's the second time he just
blows off the question. There was a…I forget who it was, but somebody was talking about party…the
caucuses. He said, what's the largest caucus? Now, for those who don't know what a caucus is,
a lot of people from a party or maybe even across parties in the US Congress get together and they
call it a Congress, like the Tea Party caucus. A lot of people have heard about the Tea Party.
They get together around a certain issue or not even just an issue, but a group of issues
and say, we're the libertarian kind of-ish caucus. I'm trying to think of a good one. It doesn't
matter. They're just a group. Now, the guy said the biggest caucus in Washington by far is the
That's Impossible caucus because no matter what you say to them, they all say, that's impossible.
We can't do that. Next question. I'm not putting Andrew down at all. Love the guy.
People who haven't seen strategic plans and campaigns executed don't understand how
much you can optimize the utility that you have. You can make it the most effective.
You're up against an overwhelming force. The other side is funded. They have more people.
They have the airwaves. They have the media. You would think it's impossible for us to win,
but we just have to be smarter, more efficient, and utilize our utility. I just wish that people
would have had experience in their careers that they would see the overwhelming importance of
having a strategic plan. Politicians just don't have any. I don't know about Andrew, but most of
them here came from being lawyers, and they're just not really trained in that way. They're
trained in one-on-one, not even negotiation. Every negotiation is competitive rather than
collaborative to attorneys. They're taught that way. You run to your client, you each run to your
corner, then you work your way to the middle. In collaborative negotiations, you meet in the middle
and discuss things, and you have a more optimal solution that works for both. I just wanted to
explain the basis for my question. I wasn't trying to be negative. I don't know if it came up that
way, but I don't know how to reach these guys. The same thing happens in the U.S. They're just
not receptive to strategic planning and to what you just said, Charles, with regard to
soft pedaling to reach certain people. Imagine if you had a team and a plan,
and nobody knew they were connected, and you go really hard with a few guys. You really piss these
people off, and the next wave comes in and says, no, no, no, don't listen to those guys. Those guys
are crazy. They're too hard. Meet me in the middle, and then they say, oh, you're a lot more reasonable.
I'll meet you in the middle, so I don't have to deal with these guys. There's stuff like that that
you can do strategically. Anyway, I'm done. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you, John. I point out that Andrew
was in the military. Then he set up a business, and then he had 20 million dollars, 20 million pounds
of assets, and he made the comment that we all noticed that his access to his money was
blocked in some way, but clearly the banks do do that. If you go to your bank these days and you
say you want to withdraw $10,000, they will grill you on that. If you look at the fine print,
it's come out recently in Australia, that banks in their fine print contract that you sign with
them, they say they can withhold any of your money at will. Steven, I don't know what they
did to Andrew with that, but John, it seems to me that with Andrew's spectacular business success,
he was a strategic thinker, but I take your point on lawyers and doctors who are zero strategic
thinkers. Having said that, Charles, I do think in answer to John, I think it's important to say that
empires fall. They've always fallen, the ones we know about, and nobody knew why the empires,
sorry, how the empires were going to fall, and when they were going to fall.
So if you go through the history of the fall of empires, I don't think there was any strategy.
I think it was just an overwhelming human force, human beings making connections. I'm just speaking,
this is my perception of what I've read. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think you can plan it,
something as big as this, the response. So the most important thing is that we each do
our own thing and try to think, is this the best thing that I can do with the things I'm good at?
And then hopefully, win time until one day there'll be an overwhelming human response as we connect
together, but we won't know how we connect. So I don't think it's possible to strategize in the way
you're talking about, John, but maybe I'm wrong. Well, good. And to sum up what you said before I
go, good times create weak men. That's where we are. Good times create weak men. And the opposite
is true as well. The converse. So John, you've gone through tough times and you put in there that you
went to your uncle's funeral. We've all been to funerals recently. What have you observed
about people's openness to your messaging when they go to funerals, John?
I did not address it with my aunt, but I did broach and I wouldn't address it with my cousin.
He didn't want to hear it. He snapped at me a few days ago. But my uncle lost his daughter. She was
around 30 and she had three kids. And her husband was there. And so I started, I tap dance around it
and he's like, oh, you don't have to tell me. I know the vaccine killed him. So there's more people
coming around. I think my aunt would be receptive maybe in a few months when I talked to her.
He died from cancer. He had cancer in his kidney that they said would take 10 years, very slow
growing, contained, no problem. All of a sudden he gets the shots and three months later the
thing's going crazy. It's all over his body, metastasized. Yep, turbo cancer. That's right.
Not only that, but pericarditis and open lesions on his legs that wouldn't heal.
All three are associated with the vaccine. It's obvious to us, but to them, Charles, I can't say
that I broached the subject with a lot of them because you just can't talk to some people.
I want a couple. I want a couple of people. I didn't win a lot, but I want a couple there.
Yeah, that's well described. I find the same challenge. I'm sure most of us do,
and it's a difficult time. Thanks for sharing that, John. All right, Mark.
Charles, hi, everyone. I just wanted to point out I posted the meeting with Tedros and the
health minister, the UK health minister, Stephen Barclay, who is my local MP.
Reading it, he's again protecting versus future pandemics and that. I've written to him,
I've spoken to him. I'm appalled. Maybe I shouldn't be, but he was telling me that they wouldn't be
making any arrangements. They weren't doing any deals. And obviously, meeting with Tedros
doesn't bode well, I don't think. And equally, I think it was last month he was meeting Bill Gates.
So yeah, I'm just making that as a comment. I don't think we're going in the right direction.
The UK is definitely not going in the right direction.
Well, that's the that's a similar situation in Australia. You know, there's there's no doubt now,
the issue of organisations. So thinking talking strategy. In Australia, there's an organisation
called the Institute of Public Affairs. It was founded in 1944. And since the lockdown started,
its membership has tripled in Australia. The question that I have, Stephen, for you in the UK,
but for all of us is find what's the organisation that and what the Institute of Public Affairs was
founded on is the fight for freedom. All right, that's what that's the its prime focus. And
people, you know, people weren't joining in droves because there's the freedom wasn't under attack,
or wasn't perceived to be. My question is, what is the local organisation where you are
anywhere in the world that is worthy of support? You know, in terms of what we are on about,
not just a political party, but the IPA, there's also amends his research Institute to
respected organisations that that publish and influence opinion and are published in the
mainstream media, which organisations can each of us join? I'm a member of IPA, I'm a member of
Mendes Research Centre, and joining these organisations increases their ability to influence
is that I haven't heard of that organisation, Mark. So for those of you in the UK, join it,
you know, and that's the point. And if a million, if a million people in the UK join together and
put five pound, five pound a month into it, there's five million pounds a month coming in,
it includes the same with the IPA in Australia, it enables them to do things in the children's
health defence. It came up in the chat on with Mark Steeles presentation, that it's getting
significant support. And we had Mary Holland here, who's not who's who's taking leave of absence
while she's Bobby Kennedy's campaign director. Children's health defence has run major cases
against 5g. So the resources, so that's the choice that each one of us has, you say, what can I do,
you can do plenty. And but Charles, so I think the thing that maybe I know that it's a long shot,
but it's not such a long shot for somebody with the name of Kennedy. I think if there's one thing
that we can do is all of us can get behind Robert Kennedy. He doesn't understand everything, in my
opinion, but he's a good man. And he had a great father and a great uncle, and both of them were
assassinated. And for that reason, and I think they're terrified of him. They think at the moment
that he's no threat. But as soon as they realize that he is a threat, an electoral threat, then
it'll be very different, I think. But I think that we should support him whether we should support
him openly as the big hope. I'm not so sure because then they're alerted early rather than later.
I think they think that he's got no chance. But I think he's got a real chance because of his name.
And especially if we educate the present day voters in around the world about what happened
to his father and to his uncle, because people, a lot of the people who are voting in America
weren't alive when even Robert Kennedy was killed. Yeah, very good. So I think it's the big thing.
It's our big chance because if he gets in, then the world would be a different place. I also think
that the dream ticket for me would be Robert Kennedy getting the presidency and Trump getting
the vice presidency. But I don't think Trump would work under Robert Kennedy. You know,
you could argue for the other way around, but I don't know, then Trump would dominate Robert
Kennedy. But it's very difficult. I think Trump is good because he has said that he will not engage
America in any wars. And we know that that's absolutely essential to any plan to instigate
a totalitarianism, a permanent enemy. Yep. Very good. All right, John, are you done or we're
on to Jerry now? Jerry Waters. Hi. I do what most of you are talking about. I actually get out and
talk to people. I talk to dozens of people every week. I was at a meeting there down in Cork for my
last weekend. There were 300 people. I managed to shake hands and hug most of them.
And so I'm actually doing what most of you are going on about. The reality of the situation is
that there is a massive awakening. Massive numbers of people are awakening. I have a favorite saying
that you cannot awaken people who are pretending to be asleep. And the people who pretend to be
asleep are the people who are very complicit in the crime of the... Well, I don't refer to the
messenger RNA as a vaccine. I refer to it as the messenger RNA assault because that's what it was.
But lots and lots of people became complicit. They became complicit because in every family,
my experience tells me, there was always one person who pushed it. And they were often a
nurse or a teacher or somebody with a little bit of perhaps third level education. And these people
pushed it. And these people have become, in effect, complicit in the crime. And they realize it. They
realize that what they've done has damaged their mothers, their fathers, their cousins, their aunts.
These are the people who often generated the sort of lack of invitations to Christmas dinners and
that. These are the people that tapped you and tapped me on the shoulder in supermarkets.
These people are pretending to be asleep. And because they're complicit, they cannot wake up.
And they will not wake up. I find they're a waste of time. If you find one of these people whose
eyes are jammed shut, they're not going to awaken. So you just move on. It becomes very, very obvious.
The reaction when you are on it, when I'm introduced as Jerry Waters, the doctor who was
struck off in Ireland for refusing, in effect, to give the vaccine. I also refused to go along with
the masking. I refused to go along with social distancing. I refused to go along with the whole
hoax of the pathogenicity of COVID. But my message is each and every one of you got to get out there.
You've got to get your shaking hands. You've got to get hugging people. And if we do that,
we could win this war because the reality of COVID or the reality of the vaccines is that it's very,
very overt. It's very, very obvious to so many people. It's much more obvious than, say, the
climate warming or the global warming hoax. That's impossible to measure. But they have
shot themselves in the face with the vaccines. And we can bring the whole global system down.
This is the rocket which this ship of fools will founder if we play it right.
But the only way we're going to do it, we're not going to do it through the mass media. We're
going to do it through social media. I have 47,000 followers on Twitter. And I'm constantly putting
out the word. And each and every one of you. But the reality is there's a lot of talk. There's a
lot of gen flexion. There's a lot of going on. What can we do? It's going on three years now.
And it's time to sort of stop planning and realize that the only way is in effect to get to the
people. And I'm doing my bit and expect everybody to do the bit. That's all. Again, somebody on
Twitter asked me, what am I going to do? How can we do it, Jerry? I said, don't leave it up to
others. Get out there and educate people, arm people with the truth of the pathogenicity of
Covid. Don't make it too complicated. And fundamentally, give them the ammunition
to defend their position. It's not that difficult. Thank you.
Well said, Jerry. That's a great quote. You cannot wake somebody up who is pretending to be asleep.
Very good. Yeah, that is the reality. People with their eyes jammed shut are pretending to be
asleep. And they are the ones that know they've been complicit. They know that they grow up family.
Well said. Excellent. Well done on your work, Martin.
Just a brief comment on that. I mean, you cannot also wake up people who don't want to wake up.
There are people who fear to wake up. They don't pretend to be asleep, but they are asleep and they
want to continue to sleep. That's a real problem. But my question would be to this group, is anybody
here who knows a good way to get outside of our bubble? I mean, we are all talking the same
issues and we know about it and we are quite sure about what we are talking about. And we
would say we reconfirm each other's. But the real question is how to get out of the bubble. Anybody
here who could give a good and applied recipe, how to do that? Because frankly spoken,
I was not successful in doing that. I mean, people who join me also on my YouTube channel,
these are roughly 55,000. They came just because they wanted to join in. But if we go out,
it's the same with many of you. I read it also in the chat. If people don't want to be approached
with this problem, you cannot reach out to them. They block it out. Well, I think that's pretty
much what I said. That's what I said. That those who are pretending to be asleep will not. You're
wasting your time with them because the reasoning behind it is that they are complicit. They know
they're complicit and they cannot possibly advise them. So I don't consider myself in a bubble
incidentally. I consider myself living in the truth. A bubble suggests that it's a sort of
circumscribed area. I consider myself and I would get out and I'd talk to anybody and I've challenged,
I put a challenge out today on Twitter that in effect I would offer any journalist a thousand
euros to come and listen to me for half an hour. And you can bring along any expert, any doctor,
any scientist, any group of doctors, any group of scientists to argue the point.
The tweets are coming in saying, yeah, but Jerry, you're not going to get any. Nobody's going to
take it up. I offered a thousand euros to any journalist, any mass media journalist in Ireland
to come and listen to me for half an hour. That's pretty good money. I'm fairly certain I
won't pay too many thousand euros. Would that be with traveling expenses, Jerry?
Ireland's pretty small. I'd go and pick them up in my Bentley.
Can I answer Martin? He had posed the question if anybody had an answer.
Is that okay if I jump the line here and answer Martin?
Sure. Yeah. I want to have a go as well afterwards. Go ahead, John.
So he asked what you would do. I'm going to be done with my book soon and I've thought long
and hard about what I want to do. And the people who already are on our side are not as important
to me as those that are either fence sitters or can be swayed in any way. How do I get them?
I'm going to try to go to venues where the topic isn't all this political stuff. They don't even
like the political stuff. But if I can get those guys to put me on their shows, and there's no way
I'm getting on Joe Rogan, right? Too big. But there are plenty of things that have one million
audience that kids listen to, especially young men who otherwise wouldn't be political. They
follow guys like Danny Duncan. I've said here before the venues that are popular. So I plan
to go to popular venues and try to bring them along, not blast them with data like I talked
to you guys. I'll talk to you differently than I talk to them. But that's my idea to reach people
is to go to venues where they're not used to hearing this stuff and kind of work my way into
that world. And when they see something important, like somebody trying to stick a needle in their
arm, they're going to remember what I said. Anyway, that's my plan. Exactly.
So Martin, I think the best thing that someone like you can do is form your own group and
grow it by the members of the group, the people you invite, that they invite people. And in
turn, they invite people. And in that way, you create a group of your own, if you like, or at
least you become very familiar with it, of essentially experts all around the world. You
can do it from Austria. I think I would recommend that you do nothing against the German language
or the French language. I think you're fluent in both. But I think I would recommend that people
like you of high influence who've done the right thing for the past three years, that you say that
you've done exactly that, what the people would expect of a medical doctor, and use that to attract
people and then to create a group and then through the group, work out what is going on. Because if
we don't understand, if we don't understand, the people who are trying to solve this don't understand
what has been going on for the past three years, the totality of it. And essentially, all you need
to know is they're trying to impose a system of totalitarianism on us. And people don't understand
that word. They don't understand it, even though some of them have lived through it. They don't
fully understand it. But the reason it's so important to understand what we're dealing with
is so that we can educate people to give them hope, but also to lead them out of it. And also,
very importantly, to hold those people responsible for what we've gone through in the last three
years. And not just about COVID, about the whole damn thing. And in my view as a medical doctor,
it was not about COVID. It was about the intention was to psychologically break people, to break their
social bonds so that they didn't want to live anymore, or they don't care whether they're going
to be in a Chinese style totalitarian regime. Just like Andrew said about his fellow MPs,
and I'm thinking to myself, who those people have accepted the China system already? Do they know
what they're saying yes to? And how do they feel not protecting their families? They must feel awful.
So what they've tried to do, these damn globalists, in my opinion, is rip people's humanity from them,
people's souls from them. They've raped people's souls, and people are ashamed of what they've
done in the last three years. We have to understand this, and we have to create the messaging,
in my opinion, to bring people out of this nonsense, and also to hold people properly
as to account. That's important, to stop it ever happening again. It's a bit of a forlorn hope,
because I think there is a tendency for some reason for human beings to want to be part of
dangerous cults. And this is about cults, I think. This is a massive cult. The whole Ukraine thing,
the whole climate change, the deadly pandemic cult, you know, the fear of those,
it's just nonsense. The whole thing is nonsense. It's about cults, and we need to educate people,
not only about totalitarianism, but about cults, and psychological torture, and Stockholm Syndrome.
I know I've gone on about it a lot, but probably bored people to death. But
that's what I see, and I can only say what I see. And I think everyone here needs to be absolutely
honest about what they make of the last three years, and really think about what, you know,
their responsibility to future generations. You've lived through this period of three years,
you have intimate information, which is going to go away with time, and we need to be drawing
conclusions about what has happened, what we thought about it, document it, not that I'm very
good at documenting, I wish I were. And I think that's the way out of it. That's the way we've
rid ourselves of empires in the past, and that's the way we're going to get rid of this nonsense now.
Thank you, Stephen. We've got Larry, but Gary's got his hand up. So, Martin, there are other
people who are going to give you answers as we go through the hands up. And the other observation
from all of the meetings that we've had is there is no one way. Every one of us has to choose to
do something. And Stephen, you're also saying that it's not just one organization. There are
lots of people in this group doing stuff. There are people producing films. There are people on
radio stations. So all of us have to... And we mustn't argue with each other. That's probably
the most important thing, because everyone on this group is, I think, on it for, or in it,
obviously, there are lots of people not here in the group, but they're in it for the right reasons.
And certainly those who attend every week, twice a week, some people, their hearts are in the right
place. And that's good enough for me. We don't have to agree on everything. Yeah. All right. Larry.
Can you hear me first of all? Yep. Sure, Larry. Great. Thanks, everybody. There's so many threads
here that I'm trying to be brief and get to some points. I'm going to try to make some points that
haven't been made, but in answer to the question of what do we do about this and how do we turn
the tide. I'm finding that skepticism and throwing out my preconceptions is a good thing. I will go
ahead and say that our enemy has proven itself adept at controlling all sides of almost every
situation for a long time. And I will also say that one time in a drunken stupor with... I worked
in a pipeline company and a person, I'm not going to say who it is because that, you know,
confidences told me that the pipeline company was going to put pipeline through Native American
lands. They anticipated opposition. What did they do? They paid one of the natives to set up the
opposition group. All the rest of the natives loved this guy and trusted him. And at critical
times, that group made mistakes. Nobody questioned this leader. Everybody just went along with this
leader and the pipeline went through. Now, I can't prove anything, but I've been involved in many
groups for the last three years trying to fight this thing. And at first, the leaders were all
open. You know, I mean, why are you going to... Why are you doing this rally instead of that rally?
And, you know, they would discuss it. And later they got very defensive when you'd question why
they're doing it. So I had to wonder even more, like, who or what is controlling what the leaders
are getting these groups to do? And so you'd go and you join a group. And so I'm going to go back to
this diagram that's behind me here. You go and you join a group and any power structure that has a
top-down power with a leader is susceptible to being captured by the enemy. And it can happen
at any one of many levels. And I'm finding, I'm sorry, whether it's conscious or not,
the other thing that hasn't been addressed here that I'm going to address, mass formation psychosis.
Okay. All familiar with that buzzword? It came out through COVID.
Yes. Yeah, I understand it.
Excellent work. But my impression of that is that it's a watering down and narrowing of the simple
concept of hypnosis and mind control. And so when I would bring in hypnosis and mind control
to counter things, people would say, that's not part of mass formation psychosis. We can't discuss
that because the definition of mass formation psychosis is narrower than that. That is the kind
of tactic that our enemy does to brainwash us and mislead us into not looking at things strategically,
not looking at them with an open mind, not looking, not shaking off all of our preconceptions and
brainwashing. We've all been brainwashed. We've all been hypnotized. And I mean, what we've got
to do is we've got to shake that off. And we've got to look at new innovative methods, because
what we've tried is not working. There's been all kinds of people, way smarter than
Reiner Fuhrman. Why the hell didn't he succeed back in 2020 or 2021? He should have. He didn't.
Why? Because in this diagram behind me, all the puppets here and the power positions
work for the enemy. And in that type of a system, what you've got to do is you've got to get to these
people. I was going to say the B where you got to get to these people and you've got to give them
more positive and negative reinforcements so that they are incentivized to do the right thing. You
cannot assume that any of these people is going to do the right thing if you just keep coming at them
with more people, et cetera. There's another factor I want to bring up that hasn't been discussed.
By the way, Larry, before I forget that, that's exactly what Matthias Desmet
so he's been with us three times, I think. I think he's absolutely brilliant. I've absolutely
no reason to question him, but I certainly have reason to question the whole narrative around
mass formation psychosis. He never talked about that. He talked about mass formation
and totalitarianism, but he never ever used that term mass formation psychosis. So he was
misinterpreted deliberately in my view by certain people. Certain people who are not very strong
allowed themselves to be misled and certain people were leading that misleading. I know
quite a lot about this, but I've spoken to Matthias Desmet about it since and he is mystified as I was
about the accusations about him saying that it was the people's own fault for allowing themselves
to be hypnotized, essentially. That was what he was... He never said that. He never even suggested
it and people who heard him speak three times, I think he was on this group, knew that that was true.
What we're up against is... I agree with you that these organizations, top-down organizations,
and that's why we try to keep this very open and why Charles and I say what we think as well,
so that people can challenge us at any point, because it doesn't matter how much people
challenge me and Charles. I think I can speak for Charles as well. I know I'm speaking the truth,
but I know that there are actors around the world in organizations that we know of
who... Yeah, shall we say it's a very likely controlled opposition. So in other words,
all they have to do, these big organizations, is actually not do the things which they need to do.
Do you understand? Yes, yes. And that's the danger of the big organizations.
I guess, trying to get to a root analysis of this, to try to encapsulate everything,
in a conclusion, and see what you think. I think that basically, anytime somebody comes up with a
new catchphrase that has a more narrow scope than the previous one, and attempts to limit discussion
to a narrower scope than the previous one, one should be skeptical of that. Exactly. That's the
thing that I'm most suspicious about. Exactly what you've just said. The people who are trying to
make a very complicated thing into one thing, they're the people you've got to watch.
There's another thing, is that as an engineer, I loved it when people criticized me. Why?
Best thing they could do. Let's say I had a report or something and I made a mistake,
and somebody was afraid to criticize me, and I published that report and suddenly it's out to
a wide audience and I made the mistake. The best thing that you can do for anybody, leader, partner,
whatever it is in this hierarchy, for anybody, is to criticize them and have a discussion about
that topic. Exactly. In a kind way, maybe. But yes, exactly. Challenge them. Because we all need
feedback. We're all in our little cults if we're not careful, and we create our own cults. And
Matthias Desmond also warned us about that. The danger of us getting into a cult.
Remember those words from him. He's absolutely brilliant. I've got no reason to doubt him at all.
I mean, there's all these rabbit holes. There's another rabbit hole about hypnosis and
self-hypnosis. And the idea there is that what you do is you don't worry about what the enemy
or somebody else has programmed you to do that you don't like. You write your own script about
how you would like to be behaving, and that overwrites what they've got. And where did that go?
I mean, that was a big deal 30 years ago. I mean, I used it to benefit my benefits several times.
Where's that gone? I mean, I'm not hearing about it. I'm hearing about all these self-help groups,
nothing like that, to un-brainwash the how many decades, how many billions, maybe trillions of
dollars into MK Ultra mind control techniques and poisons and all kinds of silent weapons for quiet
wars. Larry, we had the MK Ultra guy on here. Is his name Martinez? I can't remember his first name,
but I think his surname is Martinez. I think he's the MK Ultra guy, because I didn't know
what MK Ultra was when we had him on. I mean, it's the whole secret covert
study by the enemy and its secret think tanks of how to mind control us and fool us.
I mean, they've pumped billions of dollars into that thing. And so the other thing is
trigger words. So, you know, I talk to people across the spectrum. I don't just talk to people
that are on my side that, you know, didn't wear the mask like I didn't, didn't get vaccinated.
I talk to them all. And I try to figure out how they've been brainwashed, the different sides.
And I will say all sides have been brainwashed, including me. And I'm the first one to admit that
I've been brainwashed extensively. I don't see anybody that hasn't. Some people are open to it
and working on it. But trigger words, we have been, you know, the left has been brainwashed
so that they will reject the whole argument based on some trigger words. And so our language has
been weaponized. Like a lot of times you cannot use a word without getting half the population to
reject anything you say afterwards, just because you've used that word. And they associate that
word with something else. And it, the amygdala, like the reptilian brain is activated and forget
about any reasoning after that. It's over. Like, I mean, they've rejected anything you say afterwards.
So we've got one heck of a challenge to get a critical mass in the right positions. Like this
diagram behind me, we've got to get a critical mass into those positions that are incentivized
to do the right thing, not take the bribes and cow to the threats of our enemy, because the enemy
gives very powerful bribes and threats. And the other thing is that the best, the best infiltration
by the enemy are people that everybody loves and trusts. And they're the ones that make the most
money and get the best benefits in the Swiss bank accounts. They're good at hiding it. But, you know,
after a year or two, suddenly they disappear and, oh, what happened to so and so? Oh, gosh, you know,
suddenly they got a yacht and they got a mansion. How did that happen? I have seen that happen so
many times in my life that, you know, I could write a book on it. And maybe a lot of you have
seen that too. I mean, it's absolutely incredible how this enemy is so proficient at filling those
positions. In my opinion, I'm coming around to thinking that the most important thing we can do,
we can do, is educate or aim to educate people about totalitarianism so that they can see all
the manifestations coming at them and then they react. Do you understand me? Instead of saying,
watch this, watch this, watch this, watch about 30 things, people are incapable of doing that. But if
you tell them that common to all those things that we don't want is totalitarianism and control of
human beings, which they've always wanted to do, of course, and China's coming here and that kind
of thing, you know, whatever, any kind of messaging that works, people will be able to
pick up on the totalitarianism before we need to warn them about all the aspects.
So I have tried that. I've tried that with people across the board. And what I'm finding is that the
enemy has succeeded in weaponizing the language such that if I bring in those words, I'm rejected
as a conspiracy theorist automatically. So when did somebody bringing the concept of totalitarianism
into an argument automatically classify them as a right-wing conspiracy theorist? But that's,
I'm in the US and that's happened to me. I see that all the time. You have to be very careful.
And it's more complex than that. No, I don't think you have to be careful. I think you just say what
you think at the time and you hope that some people will see you as authentic and that they
will listen to you and change their behavior or whatever, or just think of it, read a bit maybe.
I've tried a different tactic. What I will do is have, I can do it in a minute in a grocery store
lineup. I look at somebody, they're wearing a mask. Okay. They're still wearing a mask
yesterday. And I'm talking to them and I try to find common ground. I try to avoid the trigger
word. So what I'll say is, boy, you know, prices have gone up and selection is really lousy.
They'll say, yeah, that's right. Since COVID, you know, that's what's been happening. And then
I'll try to find a unifying factor. So rather than picking these things that they're going to
go off on me about, it just, oh, that's right, sir. And you know, what they're doing is just brushing
me off and it's going in one ear and out the other. What I'll say is something like, but you know,
I can't buy what I used to be able to buy. How's it working out for you? You know, I mean,
you shorting cash these days with inflation and they'll say, yeah. And they'll say something like,
but you know, isn't it great that those billionaires like Bill Gates, you know,
they're making more money than ever before suddenly have got common ground.
And the one thing which I realized is that both sides are brainwashed into thinking that the
other side is going to pay for their way out. So I'm working on that. And I say to them,
how about we both give each other a raise at Bill Gates's expense? Because the one thing,
which I figured out, and this is very important is that your life, my life and anybody else's life
is not going to be improved unless that improvement comes at the expense of our enemy.
And our enemy are the elites or Warren Buffett's class, even waging a class war for decades.
And it's just escalated recently and they're using all these puppets here to do it. And they're
sitting there back. I mean, who knows it's the Rockitellers are part of it. Rothschilds are part
of it. There's a, you know, royalty is part. There's all kinds of the black coal. Nobody
knows what's really at the top of this thing. But I mean, it's monolithic and they work in lockstep.
They all work together. And so what we need to do is to avoid the trigger words. And it doesn't
matter if the other person we're talking to joins our hand and goes, oh, thanks for waking me up.
What matters is that they realize that our mutual root cause enemy, they hate that enemy more than
they hate me. And then instead of the enemy succeeding and dividing and conquering, and
when things get rough and they're homeless and I'm homeless, we're trying to kill each other.
We're all trying to kill our root cause enemy. I mean, that's out of three years, you know,
the stuff I'm talking about here. I mean, it's a day gets splendid. It's all over the place.
It's not well presented, but that's kind of what I and many others have come up with is that this
is complex. It's way more complex than just doing your best and joining a group like what
I'm getting here. It's extremely complex. It requires brainstorming. It requires us to sit
back and criticize each other, work together, and then figure out techniques that we can use so that
this thing goes viral and spreads around the world quickly enough, hopefully. And the other thing is
how do we turn the tide? The military's or enemy has built them up to be so powerful that they can
destroy the world how many times over with their weaponry? Well, we don't know for certain,
but you know, this thing behind me, the military, the top of the military takes orders directly from
the enemy. And if any of the puppets in the military step out of line, I mean, what are the
penalties for mutiny? If we take the military and we just stop the harm, we do nothing else. We get
the military to go into places that are harming people and stop the harm and put the brakes on
this bloody thing. We have a chance. Without it, the enemy can do anything. It can say, oh, look,
the Russians have escalated in Ukraine. So we're now at a nuclear war with the Russians. And
therefore, we're going to use our directed energy weapons and blast everybody with the military.
We can't do a damn thing about it because the military trumps everything. It's like they can
deal a jack from the back of the pack and get us all anytime. If we're getting too successful,
doing other things. So I think that, you know, it's not an easy target, but I think we need
to take the military. And one thing, it's on my sub step. The first article I put, no, you can't
find it. The sub stack won't let me call it out. I have to go in chronological order, which is
unbelievable. But I mean, World War I was ended because of military mutinies on all sides. I
wasn't taught that in school. I was taught something different. Why would they not teach me that?
Oh, military mutinies can occur. Okay. I mean, I'm not convinced. I'm not convinced because
we got to keep learning. That's what they're most afraid of mutiny. So the Navy in the UK
calls itself the senior service. And I observed as a civilian working for the, you know, the army,
Navy and Air Force, that the Navy was the most ruthless. So I asked a captain of one of the
Trident submarines, which carry the nuclear weapons in the UK and in the US. I asked one of those
captains, why was that? And he said, you have to understand as a military officer, that the thing
that they're most afraid of on a confined ship is mutiny. Yeah. But it's not just the Navy. It's
not just the Navy. Oh, yeah. I'm done. Thanks for putting up with me. Thank you, Larry. Gary.
Thank you, Charles. I wrote this out. I hope that's okay. And it starts with a question to
illustrate Martin in getting through to them. Can you try this trick? That seems to me that it helps
placing a point in the form of question. Exactly. So addressing one of the believers in that cult,
for example, instead of declaring that Jamie Foxx became blind and paralyzed from the jab, I could
say, did you hear Jamie Foxx became blind and paralyzed from the vaccine? The overall idea is
we're dealing with people who feel superior. And maybe a question goes through a different
circuitry in their brain, like, ah, this person is coming to me for answers as it should be.
It seems to get a thoughtful response in my experience. So for example, at a protest,
if I were to be tempted to make a sign that PCR is fraud, instead, make it say,
where is the science validating PCR? And then below that, I could have a smaller letter saying
that the 32 base pairs amplified 40 times don't also exist in cold flu and pneumonia viruses.
Question mark, where the question mark in the end of that is very important to reach the thinking
portion of their minds. So that's my, when I've asked that of these believers, they've become
eerily quiet. That's my thought. Thank you. Good. Yeah. Gary, are you a journalist?
No, sir. Okay. That's very good, Gary. It's a reminder we've had, you know, it's good to
remind us and Martin's here and all of us need to constantly hone that skill, ask a non-threatening
question. If you were standing for a local council and you're knocking on doors of people, you
wouldn't go there imposing of you say, gosh, what do you think should happen? I'm standing for
council. What do you think should happen? Or do you think the PCR tests are accurate? Or do you,
you know, what do you think happened to Jamie Foxx? Great, great reminder, Gary,
ask questions rather than make statements. Yeah. Masha, who asked questions in her work.
You're muted, Masha. No, not now. I think it worked. Hello. Hello,
Gary. Thank you. I just wanted to get back to Martin's question. What to do? I might contradict
you, Stephen, right now, because I think the good start, the most important thing, and this is
perhaps what makes us different. We are those who doubt the question. We don't take anything just
for granted without questioning it. And I think it's a very important thing that people doubt,
but few are capable of doubting themselves. That's a problem. So people who took the job,
they're not going to doubt the job because it means to doubt themselves.
Good friend of mine tells a story about his friend who is a doctor and he was on the wrong side,
meaning, you know, doing this, this job program. And my friend tried to convince him to stop doing
so. Someday the son, 27 years old, of this doctor, that job was his own father.
So if you think the father stopped participating in the vaccination program, you are
wrong, unfortunately, because for him it was just a choice. Stop vaccinating, meaning admitting to
killing his son. So who would do something like this easily? Which brings me to the thought that
we could, we should, we could find a way to make people doubt about quite different things. It's
just about making them doubt about their governments, about the so-called truth on the TV. If they start
doubt, they might keep asking questions and this might be the way. And just an example,
I was trying to find something. I don't know if you like it, but it's just a possibility.
The so-called chemtrails of your engineering, we tried something and found out that under the
Duckfield microscope, all the metals which are used for engineering are visible in the human blood.
So, and this is something which people might take quite personally. They care about money,
about their own money. They care if someone else has more money than they do. This is this phenomenon
of you, you watch, you talk to someone and say the job kills and people are like, don't, they
don't listen, but then you say, well, but these pharmaceutical companies earned billions and then
they start listening. So like it's more important than this vaccination killing them. And they care
about themselves. This is perhaps the most popular topic with the most people themselves.
And I was wondering if we just ask questions like, why is it? Why do we have this
barium, strontium, whatever in blood? Would you like to double check on yourself? Would you like
to double check on your children to be able to answer this question? And another thought is,
where to start? I am certain that people on the top of their power pyramid know what they do.
Some of them just pet nicely. Other are idiots, quite knowing that they won't be able to survive
elsewhere. That's why you can blackmail them. You can give them
just commands and they will follow blindly. But I still think there are many who do not know
what they really do. And if you address these questions consciously to those who probably
are not pet on her, probably don't really know, then it looks to me like a pyramid,
a pyramid being destroyed from the down there. You know, this Jenga play with the kids.
If you pull on the bottom, this is the most simple way to destroy. We've been trying to
reach those on the top and they would never listen. They have to lose too much. And the more
crimes they commit, the more dangerous they are. But if it's just keep nudging them,
they're going to make mistakes. And they are afraid of the betrayed anyway. So we need to get
to the level of their most likely betrayal. And use simple topics. People do not understand
5G, but they understand microwave stove. So if you explain in the terms like
huge microwave stove being built around their heads, they might understand. But if we
stay being scientific, stay being experts, they will block, they will stop listening.
Excellent thoughts, Masha. Very thought provoking for each of us. The nuances,
gently raising the questions, raising the points. And it is my experience, the people who pushed
others to take the jab, they certainly will have difficulty questioning the narrative.
Masha, do you have a psychology background?
Like how would you say, amateur, not professional.
So you have good emotional intelligence.
And I read books as I had time to read. Since I'm in opposition, I don't have time to read good books.
Since you're in opposition, what do you mean?
Resistance. And something else, I've been traveling recently, I've been to Africa, I've been to
Israel. The most recent travel was to Israel. I realized I'm more in a bubble than I really
knew I was. I knew I was in a bubble, but I didn't know how much I was in the bubble.
People know nothing. People know nothing about the world. They don't know anything about the
world. They don't know anything about the world. They don't know anything about the world. They
don't know anything about the world. They don't know anything about the world.
People know nothing. People know nothing about Kennedy running for president. And I said,
oh, wow, it's quite significant. You know who it is. Yeah, well, but I didn't know he was running
for president. And in Israel, you know, what's going on there, the beauty of the daily life,
the water, the sand, the sports, many young people, this novelty is about to make people numb
for the reality again. So it's...
You mean the comfort. They're too comfortable. You mean that?
Yes. Yes. Yes. They're too comfortable. You know, they were sick tired the last two, three years.
And I even know a lawyer in Israel. He is a Jew, Israeli lawyer and a grandson of Holocaust survivors
who said after what he experienced in Israel, he has understanding, listen,
he has understanding for the Germans back then. Yeah.
It's something. So you cannot imagine how tired they were, how bad it was. And the more they enjoyed
their normality, which should be what's supposed to be normality, the beach is just a place of
happiness, of hope, of
worrylessness, you know. And if something happens again, I'm afraid people are unprepared.
They are unprepared because they don't want to go back where they came from.
Well, then they need to learn that they need to fight when things are good as well. You know,
you just can't. So, yeah, exactly. So it's... I'm back to the topic of making them doubt
due to quite simple topics. And well, it sounds cynical, but I would use or misuse
what works on people. This is jealousy, for example. I mean, I would create
just questions because if I give people answers, they believe that I think I am more wise than they
are. But asking questions, I encourage people to start thinking and to look for the answers themselves.
And my questions would be to someone, to a poor soul who doesn't have much money,
how expensive is the one 5G antenna? How much power it needs? How many other things
how many antennas are in place? How many are about to be installed? And how is it that
there are poor people and they still have money for something like that? This kind of questions,
just making people wonder and looking for the answers themselves. Yeah.
All right. We're running out of time. Masha's presentation to us on the 17th of April,
for those of you who want to see what she presented. So if you go down chronologically
on the Rumble channel, the address, I'll put it into the chat again. So you can see Masha in action
as she was talking to us. Thank you, Masha. Then Janet, Shimona, we're finishing in five minutes.
Yeah, very, very quick question. And it may not be appropriate. But yes, I unfortunately,
I missed the first 20 minutes of the meeting tonight. So I didn't hear the important kernels
of Andrew Bridgen's comments at the start. Could you very sort of briefly just say what's the most
important points that he raised in his in his talk at the start? Yes, Janet, he went through his
history. And Stephen asked him to tell us about his history and how he got into politics is from
the military, then business. And he spoke to constituents and stood up for freedom,
for principles. And he said most people in Leicester stood up for that. And the economic
impact of his policies has meant that Leicester's income, average income has gone up. And because
they built enough houses, the average cost of housing is 25% less than in other parts in the
UK. And so a small group of friends stood up against what used to traditionally was always a
left socialist seat. And now it's overwhelmingly supportive of Andrew Bridgen's work. So that was
the essence of it, Janet. And the recording will be up in a day or so. So you'll be able to listen
to that. So essentially, essentially, Janet, we tried to explore why. So he's done a remarkable
thing in politics, I think he's turned a labor majority into a massive Tory majority until they
threw him out. So obviously, the guy is very good at messaging, he's very good at being a human being
and people find that he is authentic, I think. And so we were exploring that and also that he's
a serial whistleblower and how that had come about. He was elected as head boy at school,
at the comprehensive school he went to. He didn't have electricity till he was 11. So interesting,
isn't it? Yeah, yeah, wonderful. Thank you. So you need to watch the video, I would say, Janet.
Yeah, great. Thank you. Thanks, Janet. Okay, last question. And then we'll finish Shimon from Israel
talking about Israel as Masha was. Did you catch up with Masha when she was in Israel, Shimon?
Maybe you two are having a secret liaison.
No, I didn't catch up with her. But we are in contact when she was lobbying for Zuckariet
Bakhti. And I wrote a letter for him as an Israeli. And I also was on Reiner Fumich committee.
And I likened the Israeli government to the Nazis. And I suffered for it. I was certainly hit hard
by some kind of retaliation. So yeah, I think there are some certain countries in the world,
such as Israel and Australia, maybe New Zealand, the UK and other countries, that are being made
examples of just how to repress and completely just run a steamroller over the population in
some sort of continuous torture. And we Israelis were conditioned. I wasn't. To me, it was always
crystal clear what was going on. But most Israelis, I think, still think that we are the righteous
people and our leaders are right. They don't understand that our leaders are part of the
international mafia known as the cabal. And they just follow orders like the Nazis did back then.
Also, I want to thanks John G for your comment on the chat.
I need to, I think, maybe make some corrections to this whole microwave thing and the follow up on the
presentation of my friend, Mark Steele, because what is going on is far from what he presented.
Far from what he presented. You only need to take microscopy footage of the injectables
and see how the microwave affects, energizes the rapid growth of nanotechnology and synthetic
biology inside of these injectables to understand what is going on. So people think, some people
think that 5G is intended to fry people and that is cannot be farther from the truth.
5G is not intended to fry people. It is intended to energize the nefarious technologies
in the injectables. I gave two presentations to this group already about this and I have enough
material, groundbreaking material to give another one when you deem fit about the synthetic biology
in there and how exogenous proteins are producing the body, creating all these blood clots and
toxins and so on. So I think that the entire 5G is not being understood and interpreted correctly.
And I'm afraid that, you know, we need to, there is good understanding of it and I just had the
chance to present this to Professor Arne Buchhardt from Germany and he said, wow, this is interesting,
I would like to test your hypothesis and then he died. We still don't know how but
I understand that he somehow mysteriously drowned. So unfortunately these are dangerous times for us
and we need to think about staying safe if we can at all so that we can carry on and continue. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you, Shimon, for sharing. Excuse me, a close friend of Arne's believes it was
just a private terrible but still accident and we are trying not to speculate just, you know,
for his family's sake. We don't need to speculate. The very fact that they are withholding any
information about what happened is a telltale sign. All right, okay, thank you. Thank you,
Shimon. Yes, it's very, the silence is a great indicator. All right, Steven, it's 7.32. Tom Rodman
has put the link for those of you who have more time just so that you observe. When we started,
we had 88 on the call and now two and a half hours later we have 37. There was a big drop off when
Andrew left which was expected but anyway we're 37 now. Thank you for being with us. Thank you
for sharing the links. Save the chat. I'll wait for anyone to put any more items into the chat.
Steven, I will send you the chat. Standard procedure, if any of you lose the chat then
you're most welcome to email me and I will share it with you. There's just one thing Charles. So
I, so the very sad story about on a book cart, I don't know what it is. I've got, I've been told
that it's, but I'm not sure it's true. It's not, certainly not be confirmed but I thought that one
lesson to be derived from that for all of us is when there's a death in any of our families,
it's very important that a statement is put out early to stop speculation. It's no use complaining
about people speculating if no one has been told what is going on. So, Masha, maybe you can transmit
that back to people. I'm not criticizing. I'm just, yeah, you're absolutely right and actually
we were hoping that Zuccherit would say something. He didn't so far. But who would say something?
Bakhti Zuccherit. Zuccherit. He was the one who we hoped would say something to stop
guessing around, to stop speculation. But you know, there is something about all of this.
Can I just interrupt? Sorry. Yeah. I understand that Zuccherit did make a statement.
I've no direct link to it or anything but I think he said something to the effect that Arna had been
ill for some time for two, I think he said two years. Don't quote me on that.
He was not ill at all. I attended quite a few meetings and presentations with him.
He was lucid. He was very healthy, very productive. He was in good health.
No, it's not quite true. Please let me finish.
So, Masha, you can't complain. You can't say that we shouldn't speculate. Obviously,
we're human beings. We're very interested in what happened to this.
I know. You're absolutely right. I know.
All I can say is that he was in good health and very active.
Exactly. And well, we did hear, but I don't know whether it's true. So, we did hear that
there had been a drowning accident, that he tried to save his son and that he failed. Sorry,
the son was saved, but he wasn't. And the water is very cold at this time of the year, even in
Germany, which I presume is where he was, but I don't know whether that's true. It's all very
sad. And now I hear in the chat, I think it was tonight, that his son was disabled. And when I
saw that, actually, I thought somebody had said that previously. I don't know where, but so,
you know, but again, if, you know, with someone of his significance in what has happened in the
last three years and his closeness to Sukkurit, it's very important that a statement is put out
to stop the speculation. Yeah, just what I was saying, we hope something more precise, something
more final would come over. Masha, you, so I can, okay, you can maybe use your influence with
Sukkurit, because I know that he suggested to me that I invited you on, so because you had helped
him. So, why don't you email him and say directly to him that, you know, a statement should be put
out. Sure, we'll do. Just, you know, we hope that maybe the family would say something. It's very
difficult. If I say to you that the family of Clemens Arawai didn't say words till his death,
we've been hoping so much to hear something from them, because they know the both, they know the
best. Well, yes, but they're not going to come, they're so devastated probably, on two counts,
that if what I've been told is true, that they can't think straight. So, people close to the
family should be advising them. All right, let's go anyway. Enough. Okay, thank you everybody for
being here. See you on Sunday, Monday. Well done on for all your work. Fight the fight. Take the
steps that you see needs to be done. That's the game of life. What do you see needs to be done?
There are people here. If you want to contribute to someone's efforts, please send Stephen or me.
We will connect you happily with anyone who's doing some work. If people need financial support,
then there are people who need support on this group. If you're willing to support, then please
let Stephen or me know as well. Thank you for being here, Stephen. Thank you for organizing.
And we will be back again. Have a wonderful Tuesday night, Stephen.
Yeah, and actually, I would say what you said then, Charles, is absolutely right, that people
should do what they think is important. But I think the thing that's very important for us all
is to be absolutely truthful with ourselves. Starts with us. And so,
think about what's happening, what's going on, and try to come up with the most honest story,
because the truth will set us free. I agree. 832 is the slogan, the global slogan. So,
as Andrew Bridgen said, the paperclip from Heiko in Norway, the paperclip, there are other
indicators. We Are Human, We Are Free has an orange bandana. And 832, if you put that slogan
on your car, if you want to be more precise, John 832, the truth will set you free. So,
let's fight for truth, Stephen. Totally agree. All right, everybody.
Just before you go, can I mention that I've just come back from the Isle of Manor recently,
and I spoke to somebody there. There is a People's Community Action Group over there that have
put out a report to the Manx government. Natalie's made some comments about
some statement that's been made by the government. And I was wondering if we could get somebody
to speak from that group, one of the organizers.
Let's talk to Stephen. John, send it out to Stephen. We're going.
Well, I've put it in the chat, the actual report.
Okay, good. You can have a look at that. Okay.
Thanks, John. Thanks, everybody. Bye. Bye, Charles. Thank you very much.
Thank you. Bye bye.