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Okay. All right. No, no, hang on for Aamon. Tell us Aamon what time it is for you in Thailand?

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It's 2am. Once again, thank you for asking Charles. Yes, it's 2am. An uncommon time for me to be

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drinking coffee. Well, it's a great effort on your part. Stephen has done well to bend your arm to

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get you to speak to us live. So thank you. My absolute pleasure. Yeah. All right. Okay,

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Tom to send you some more. Alex, okay, Tom to send you some more stuff on that.

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I just returned to Monaco today. I drove from Croatia. Yeah. And my time there was so

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distracting that I was going to call you on Saturday. I forgot. Don't worry. We'll catch

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up. Yes. Next weekend, I'm by myself. I'm by myself now for two weeks. So I'll be able to

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fix my life a little bit. Yeah. Alex and Aamon, do you know, you remember the collapse of

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Bearings Bank? And maybe you remember the rogue trader in inverted commas. And his name was

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Nick Leeson. Yes, Nick Leeson. Sorry, I said Liam Neeson.

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Yeah. That's a spoonerism.

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I'm sorry. I'm tired. So Nick Leeson, what did they, were they singling him out for a reason?

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Because he was the only one blamed for the collapse of Bearings Bank. Yes, yes, yes. Him,

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alone. Yeah. Why though? Well, you know, I, it hasn't crossed my mind to question that until

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he single-handedly kept the Japanese yen up because his reputation was so

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massive. This is the, what we were fed or what I was fed, that people just followed him and

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did what he did. So he single-handedly kept the Japanese yen up for a week after the Koba earthquake.

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Yes, Stephen, that's possible, but it's unlikely. And, you know, I, at the time when this happened,

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I didn't know to question these things. Now that you mention it, it needs to be questioned. And

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I'll just add that there are no incredible traders. Okay. That's a myth and that doesn't exist.

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That's a unicorn. Well, there we are then. So that was a story sold to us. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes.

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Yes. Yes. Interesting. All right, everybody. Let's get this show on the road. By the way,

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I think it was Barclays Bank, wasn't it? Not Bearing Bank? No, it was Bearing Bank.

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Bearing Bank. 800 million was lost. Yeah. They blamed one guy, Nick Leeson.

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That was a lot of money back then. Yeah, it was. Yeah. All right, Stephen, put your

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put your video on so that we know that you're not in a black hole somewhere.

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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International. And today's discussion,

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this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost. During the darkest days of the COVID scam responses

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with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. And I mentioned, I mentioned

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earlier before the recording started, the Canadian priest, Arthur Paluski, who's facing

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sentencing or pushing back against Canadian government overreach and facing 10 years in jail.

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So we think of him. Stephen Frost has stood up against government and power over the years

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and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology. I'm Charles

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Covester, moderator of this group. I'm Australasia's passion provocateur. My jacket is red because red

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is the color of passion. I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago.

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And over the last 12 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine

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damage and damage from bad medical advice. Last night, I was at dinner, another example of a 98

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year old woman essentially killed by hospital in Melbourne because of appalling hospital treatment.

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It's happening everywhere as many of us on this group know. I'm also the CEO of an industrial

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hemp company. We comprise lots of professions, including doctors, lawyers, homeopaths, journalists,

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scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers and troublemakers, and with them all around the

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world. Many of us thought the vaccines were okay. Now, many of us proudly say yes, we're passionate

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anti-vaxxers and Judy Mikovits, who was on London Real over the weekend or on Friday

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never get jabbed. Judy Mikovits, I think Stephen has presented once or twice to us.

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Twice, I think. I think twice. Twice, I think. If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free

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to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or

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you, promote you and find you. Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III

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of science and that the science is never settled. The meeting runs for two and a half hours

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into the chat if you're able to join. We will listen to Eamonn McKinney, our guest for as long

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We come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear

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squashes you. Love, on the other hand, expands you. Governments around the world want you to be

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and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel. And now welcome to Eamonn McKinney, our sinologist.

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And thank you, Eamonn, for getting up at 2 a.m. in the morning. We're in Thailand. We thank you so

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much for doing that and sharing your time, wisdom and insights. And thank you, Stephen Frost, again,

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for creating this group and for organizing Eamonn and whoever got Eamonn to be with us.

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Was that Alex Cramer, Stephen? Yeah, Alex suggested Eamonn and introduced you. Isn't that right, Eamonn?

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You muted Eamonn.

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Yes, Stephen, yeah, I think it was Alex who introduced us. Alex is a very good friend of mine.

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He spoke to our group, I think, on three occasions already and everything he says, he thought.

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Exactly. Alex knows everything. So thank you. Thank you, Alex. And so Eamonn, over to you and

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Over to you. We're in your hands. We'll pay attention.

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If you find yourself falling asleep, Eamonn, we can generate an argument to keep you awake.

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Alex mentioned that China seems to be a subject that a lot of people won't hear about.

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And I spent a good part of my life living in China going back to 1976.

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I was there for a couple of years. I was there for five years, from 1980 to 1985.

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I've never been to China. I've never been to the US.

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I've lived there for five years, from 1980 to 1985. We've had a business there ever since.

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I don't envy people who have to speak on China. It's a very, very complicated subject.

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if you haven't lived there and seen the transition, if you don't understand the

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history and the influences, it's very difficult to comment on it.

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When I was first in China, I was lucky enough to be introduced to the Puyichang

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He said to me, if you're in China for a day, you could write a book. If you stayed a week

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and you could manage a letter home, you'd be doing well. If you stayed any longer,

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you couldn't put pen to paper. You absolutely wouldn't know where to start.

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And it's a little bit like that. Now, China is a subject, let me just say this to you,

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right now, approval of China. Basically, you can break most Westerners down into two parts,

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You'll get two entirely different versions of the place from both of those groups.

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But before we start, firstly, I'm very honored to be invited to speak to your group. To my shame,

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I had no knowledge of your existence until Alex pointed me to you. And I've looked at some of the

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previous guests that you've had on, and I'm humbled to be in their presence when we say that.

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And I applaud what you do. But to talk about China, I would assume that the common denominator

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shared by most of the people on this group is that we don't believe the narrative. We don't

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believe what the government says. We don't believe the mainstream media. Would that be a fair

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assessment? We don't all agree on the same truths, but we can all see the same lie. I would assume

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that's the case, yes. We don't trust government, no.

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You know, the narrative comes from the system as a whole.

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So here's a question. Has anybody living in the Western world

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ever heard one complimentary positive word said about China? Ever?

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raised how wonderful China is, and he's doing amazing cooking oil business. He's the only one.

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He's got his hand up too. Okay, but he's not on ABC News now, is he? No.

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Mongolia, where they are wanting to have cattle introduced into Mongolia. And lots of people are

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saying very positive things about that. Yeah, well, thanks. That's a good point. I

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wasn't actually aware of that. But what I want to try and do is to try and give you

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a view on this from China's point of view. So to do that, you know, we've got to start asking ourselves,

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where's all this hostility from China come from? I mean, you've all heard of China's century of shame.

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The century of humiliation, which dates approximately from 1850 to 1950, when the

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communists took power. There was a century of humiliation. That was a period of time when

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China was weak under the Qing dynasty. And bear in mind China, for the previous count of several

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years, has been the most advanced civilization in the world. The reason why the Opium Wars was

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the silks, the porcelains, the spices. And the West said absolutely nothing, but China wanted to buy

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by any turn, and insisted on silver. Hence we had the Opium Wars, when the West decided that

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they'd find something that China wanted, which was opium. Now, there was two Opium Wars. China

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basically ended up being invaded and colonized by eight different foreign powers. During that

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period of time, the Chinese retreated worse than slaves. Signs everywhere at the park in Shanghai.

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No dogs, no Chinese. This was in China. What was humiliation? Humiliation was that the government

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couldn't protect its people from these foreign powers.

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Fathers couldn't protect their children from these foreign powers. That was the century

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of humiliation. And they're not going to let it happen again. Now, what were these foreign powers?

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the plunder of empire. You can see photographs in the early part of the 20th century with US Marines

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guarding Rockefeller oil turbines. This was the century of shame.

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The people that we're talking about, the Chinese identified in behind it, are the Western Imperial.

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is built on protecting its people from the parasite class. Now, in the 1950s, the Communist

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Party took power. The Ormeon Town, which was the oligarch Western friendly government,

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did nothing to improve the lives of their people. They fled to Taiwan and the story continued.

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In the 1900s now, the Qing Dynasty, the emperor was weak and was failing,

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widely hated for his corruption among the Chinese people. And there was a Chinese

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revolution coming, which happened in 1911. But what informed that? What informed what happened next?

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a new way to run the country. The old imperial dynasty, that's a thing of the past. So they sent

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their scholars all over the world to study different models. Now, one of those scholars,

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Sun Yat-sen, or Sun Yat-sen as you would probably see him, he went to America and they liked the

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republican ideal. They loved the Bill of Rights. They liked the constitution, mostly. There was a

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lot they liked about the Lincolnian economic plan about using public funding to build things

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like the Erie Canal. But what they saw was that their government also couldn't protect their own

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people from the money power. They saw the incredible opulence in which the ruling classes,

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the robber barons, etc. lived. And then they saw the squalor that people were living in the slums

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of New York. But they saw that even in this republican system based on all these principles,

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they still couldn't protect their people. And they were getting exactly the same thing

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from the people that went to France and Britain to study their models when they went back. And they

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said that they liked them about it, but it wouldn't work in China, your system of government. And

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they said, well, why not? And they said, well, because four years is not going to be enough for

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China. We've got a lost century to recover from. We've got a hundred year program. And that very

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much is the thinking behind that. If you look at China's economic model, it's based on protecting

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the people from that class. Now, if you look at the simple way of looking at economics,

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is that you've always had two classes of people involved in economics through history.

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productive class. So the Rontier or the landlord class, they don't actually produce anything. They

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live on the productivity of everybody else. So you've got that. Now, if you take the American

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economy and you go back to 1970, about 80% of their GDP came from the productive sector,

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manufacturing, agriculture, construction. Today, it's about 13%. But the parasite class that

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produces nothing but lives on the productivity, they're sounding like a communist here, believe

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me or not. This is how the Chinese look at it. That's what's eating all the Western economy.

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The financial sector, again, the government is the biggest parasite, taking all your money and

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produces nothing. The regulatory sector, which makes it incredibly expensive for companies just

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to be in business, that makes it an unfair regulatory burden on smaller business and

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favoring the multinationals. The medical industry, the insurance industry, all of that

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is a parasite class, and it feeds on the product, on the productive class. Now in China, to restrain

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the parasite class, they provide the public services. So they have public monopolies on

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transportation, telecommunications, infrastructure, education, medical.

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Now they provide the medical, but let me just say, none of these. They've got perfect private

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hospitals in China with top surgeons, there's a lot of medical tourism there. But they've got public

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hospitals, which anybody can go to for nothing. And then they've got a private sector if you want.

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So the idea about doing that is about controlling the cost of living for the Chinese.

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So that the essentials, if you like, the social Maslow's hierarchy of needs,

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you know, etc. is all provided at cost. You know, or the sector is not there to lose money,

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but profit is in its main tech. These are seen as the enablers of a healthy economy

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and a healthy society. That's how it works. But the big thing is the public banking.

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China doesn't have a Ross Charles Federal Bank. So its money is issued as public issuance,

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not a debt based currency. And that is how their economy has managed to flourish.

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China's model, because people kick around terms like socialism and communism,

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they learned plenty from communism. They looked at the Soviet model. And what they realized was

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the Marxist model is basically flawed in so many different ways. It's obsessed with the distribution

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of wealth, completely missing the point that in order to distribute wealth, you have to first

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create it. And the only thing that creates wealth is private enterprise. People do what they are

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incentivized to do. So the Chinese economy is not a controlled, common economy. It's got a state

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sector that enables the private sector. And that's where all the speed taking and growth in the

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Chinese economy has come from. Now it's that mixed model, that mixed economic model that has

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been proven to work. And that is why there are threats to the West. Because it's the complete

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reverse of neoliberalism, which seeks to grow the economy from the top using some perverse,

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trickle down logic. No, the Chinese model, the developmental model is about building the economy

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from the ground up. Start with the poorest sectors of society, and then generates the wealth of

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everybody. The real threat, what the West is working about in China, is not military. That's

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complete nonsense. The fact is China is a bad example. Because all the countries that are now

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falling in line under the brick and the Shanghai Corporation and the new currency and everything,

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these economies are going to have to develop again. It's not going to be the neoliberal

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privatized model that they're going to follow. They're going to follow the Chinese mixed economy

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model. And this can work irregardless, irrespective of what kind of political economy,

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what kind of political system you have. All it requires is stability. So that's the reason

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why they're against the Chinese at the moment. They've always been against the Chinese.

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When the communists threw out the capitalists and all their investment in 1950, even by the money

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at those days, they lost billions and billions and billions. And what we know about the capitalist

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classes, when they get shuttled, when they lose money, they have no sense of humour about it.

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There's a thing called revenge capitalism. Look at Cuba. Bad examples have to be punished.

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That's the animosity against China. That's where it comes from. It's historical. China's position

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is not going to open up its capital market, bolting privatized, its state sector service,

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public services. And that is a major threat. Because before this, there was really only one

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gate in town. And God forbid you veered from it, you knew the consequences. This is the alternative.

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This is the way this has been the ample about how a development economy should work. And it's been

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taken up everywhere, in Africa, in Latin America, in other parts of Asia. And it's an unstoppable

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force now. So I'll stop talking now. That's more than enough. And I'll be happy to answer

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any questions that anybody has. I hope that made sense.

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Amon, Amon, it did. And I'll just make the observation that, that for many people here,

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for whom English is a second language, with your, with your Scottish accent, it was a great,

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it was a great challenge for some of them. So they, they might have to go back and re-listen

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to the recording. But you gave a wonderful overview. And I wrote down this distinction

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between the landlord class and the productive class. And the, and the, what was it, the parasite

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class and the- The productive class. The productive class. The landlord class.

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It's the productive, the productive. Yeah, that's exactly it. And you, you, you see it.

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That's not a Scottish accent, Charles. Is it, Amon?

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No, it's not a Scottish. No, it's not a Scottish accent, Charles, no.

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What accent is it, Amon?

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It was, I suppose. Yeah, well, it was originally, I suppose, a London accent. But

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it's been, I've troubled so much. I don't know what it is today. I'll try and speak a little

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bit more clearly. My apologies to those of you out there who didn't catch it all.

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Well, it was excellent. And, and Amon, one question, because Stephen goes first.

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The, the, I saw a wonderful presentation. I've been wondering for a long time whether it's

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accurate, that it's a very sophisticated model of how the leadership of, of Chinese government

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is selected. It's not, you know, I had this idea that it was nepotism and linkages, but I read this,

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I saw this other amazing presentation that, that it, to become a leader in China, you need

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extraordinary experience before you get into that leadership category.

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Yeah, well, the people that are in, well, that's absolutely right. It's very much a meritocracy.

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I mean, I don't have to bandy the words around like tyrants. Well, no, it is very much a party

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system. It is very much a meritocracy. I mean, the people that rise to central government level,

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through the, usually through the local government, they are the best of the best. So,

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this is a long tradition in China with this civil service. They're always attracted the

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best and the brightest minds. And these were the Mandarin, that's where the word comes from,

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who went to the provinces and, you know, installed administrative system. So they have a very, very

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long history of having an effective civil service, but it's absolutely a meritocracy.

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It's, if you like, to a certain extent, it's very much a technocracy. I know that's become a

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dirty word in the West and an excellent fellow, Patrick Wood, who's done amazing work on that.

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The EU, of course, is a classic case of a technocracy, as in fact,

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of most of the UN agencies. But if you look at the political system that we have in the West

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and the clouds that it throws up, I'm beginning to have second thoughts about it. I mean, in terms of,

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in principle, a technocracy is you have the best and brightest people in the field being in charge

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of government policy on it. Well, that's not a bad idea. In fact, the problem is who picks them

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and who do they answer to? So, you know, people, for example, the people in America, press gang,

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Robert Kennedy, to be the head of the Department of Health, they might actually see some changes.

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So, but I'm digressing. So, yes, it's very much a meritocracy there.

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People don't understand how the political system works and there's no democracy. Well,

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I think you have to backtrack here. And why is the West, why the worst people in the world,

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think about why they're always bleating on about democracy? Well, the reason is very simple. There's

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no case in history where there was ever a democracy that didn't turn into an oligarchy

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in 25 minutes. And oligarchs are easy to control. And if you look at the policy of China and

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absolutely Russia defending their people against oligarchs, it's absolutely a very strong part of

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their, you know, their doctrine. So when we're looking at,

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I've kind of lost my train of thought there. It is very, very much a meritocracy. The people

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that are running the country in China know what they're doing. So, Eamon, would you say that

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the UK and the US for that matter are oligarchies? Because I have heard that word applied to the

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United Kingdom. Well, oligarchies have been the cancer in human society since the days of Babylon.

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So, yeah, of course, absolutely. I mean, England would be the classic case of that, you know,

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with the city of London. I mean, it's essentially been that. And I mean, it has to be understood.

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And I was referring when I was talking to Alex earlier about one of my good friends from

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our group here and the talk that he did. And he stitched together like some amazing things. And

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the point he made was that, you know, if you go back to 1900, he essentially had eight empires

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of the world. The Virgin in Japanese Empire, which was the ageing, you had the Ottoman Empire,

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which was on its last leaves. Today, he does one left. Now, if you go back prior to World War I,

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you had some very powerful monarchies. You had the Russians, you had the Austro-Hungarians,

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you had the Germans, and a version of it in France. World War I left us with one.

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And that was the one that was owned by the city of London and has been since the days of the

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Glorious Revolution in 1694. Okay, so it's always been an oligarchy. If you look at

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how the whole system works, it controls everything now. There's no justice system

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that isn't being penetrated by the Mason and the police and, you know, God knows we've seen that.

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It's successful. There's no case in history where a democracy does not turn into an oligarchy.

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What you end up with is what's actually called a synecone. Synecone means there's two forms of

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government. There's the one that they put in front of you that you're supposed to believe,

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and then there's the real one behind it. And that has been the case throughout history.

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The reason why the bankers wanted to see the end of the other monarchies

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because monarchies were the only people that stood up to the oligarchy and the financial system.

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And you can find that at the roots of the English Civil War.

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All right, when they come to the round heads on the road over Cromwell,

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they were funded by the Dutch bankers. And part of the deal was when you win the war,

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well, next time you capture Charles, his head comes off, he doesn't go back on the ground.

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And also you will agree to apply the foundation of an independent city-state in the City of London

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that answers to nobody. And that's been the case ever since. So you can find that everywhere.

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Mm-hmm. I mean, the way they penetrated America,

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they always intend on getting the American bank. Now, then Ross Charles could never operate in

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America because they've been behind the two failed banks, first two failed banks in the United States.

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The founding fathers in America were very well aware who they are, so they had connections.

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And the revolutionary spirit in America made it very, very difficult. So what they do in the mid-1800s

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is they begin to create a nobby garfield class who can destroy what was their democracy. So

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therefore, if you look at all the people that became the robber barons, such as the Rockefellers,

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the Harriman's in railway, the Vatna Belt and shipping, Parnay, E.D. and still,

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they created these giant monopolies in the super billionaires, just like they're doing today with

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their new constructs like Bill Gates and Zuckerberg and some of these other clouds.

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These oligarchs actually corrupted the system before in February's earth in 1913. That's how

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they work. That's how they penetrate through instigators. That's how they took Russia down

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financially in 1990. The economy was completely destroyed and they funded oligarchs who presumably

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were making $25 a week the months before. Now all of a sudden they're spending $500M

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to buy Russian assets worth a billion. Putin controlled the oligarchs there and she has been

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very careful to make sure it doesn't happen. I mean, you may recall there was a case a few years

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ago about Jack Ma and Jack Ma was supposed to be the founder, the genius, the Chinese Bill Gates

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behind Alibaba. In fact, he's a complete front man for the Jiang family out of Shanghai.

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The Jiang family were a very old, powerful Chinese family that survived several generations. They

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provided a couple of mares in Shanghai. Jiang Zemin was the premier of China in early 2000.

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They're the real owners of that Alibaba empire. Xi's family, for example,

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they own another empire called the Wanda Empire. There are different factions in China.

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But Jack Ma, who's a front man for the Jiang family, and that's the Shanghai faction, Xi's

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family with the Beijing family, so he comes out and criticizing the Chinese banking system.

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He was told to go away, keep his mouth shut and enjoy his millions.

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Because that's how it started. They've been very careful in China, also ensuring that the

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tech giants that they have in China are not going that way either.

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I'm digressing terribly. I don't know.

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Hey, can I ask you a few questions?

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Of course.

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So can you explain? I don't know whether it's true, but we were told that Shanghai

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first, I think, and Beijing had terrible lockdowns. Also, that Shanghai's port was,

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I don't know what, I can't remember how this was achieved, but they had a thousand ships waiting

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to discharge their cargoes at one stage. I don't know if you heard this where you are.

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Well, no, I mean, absolutely.

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First of all, is that true? Also, why? So allegedly, China was, or purportedly,

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China was pursuing a no-Covid policy, you know, so they were having these lockdowns because of that.

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But, you know, they were portrayed as brutal lockdowns. They'd got all these,

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I saw children in those hazmat suits, is it? So was that propaganda from the West?

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Two things. Firstly, look, I'm involved in business between China and the West. So yeah,

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I mean, there was absolutely congestion at the ports and there was a lot of reason for that.

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There was a lot of loaded ships that were in Shanghai that didn't leave because the port of

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Los Angeles was essentially had thousands of ships because they had strikes and God knows what else.

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So there was supply chain congestion everywhere.

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Right. Disrupted supply, yeah, okay.

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Yeah, so I mean, that was a consequence of it. No, the lockdowns there were hard and they went on

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too long. I mean, it was kind of difficult to understand that. But the only thing that makes

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sense to me for what seemed like an overreaction was, you've got to bear in mind, China has been,

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you know, the subject of biological attacks twice. Once by the Japanese at Unit 639 in

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Manchuria where they were experimenting, murdered hundreds of thousands of Chinese with all kinds

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of blades. And then during the Korean War, biological weapons were dropped by the Americans.

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They do know, and this is a fact that I've been assured by several people, they are working on

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gene specific biological weapons. And they came out earlier in the Ukraine War, that's what they've

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been experimenting on there with some of these things. So, you know, not being an apologist for

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China with this. And I know you guys have covered COVID far more in depth than I'm qualified to do.

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But I will tell you, when you see something like this happening, you always have to ask yourself,

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very bono, who benefits? Nobody suffered with this more than China. China's whole business

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model is based on all its trading partners being prosperous. Okay. This, you know, China was not

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behind this, you know, Tony Fauci, I know David Martin, God bless him, the work that him and

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a lot of other incredible people have done to explain it.

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So, what I'm trying to say is, if it's a meritocracy, why did China go along with the false

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narrative, which was so obvious to me and to many others? Well, okay, the majority didn't go along

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with it. But I don't understand why they'd end up with this. They went further. They could end up

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with a zero COVID policy. Well, it's just nonsense. Yeah. Most of the Chinese people agree to you,

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because the Chinese people had enough of it, they actually abandon it. I can't answer that. That

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still confounds me. But you guys, I'm sure, are here talking about all these different things,

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because of COVID. I'm sure that's what instigated all this. Now, you cannot understand COVID unless

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you understand where COVID fits in the bigger picture. Yeah. If you look at it, one step in...

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So, actually, understanding the medical, the purported medical reason for the last three

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and a half years was essential to destroying the narrative, the false narrative about other things

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too, including China, it looks like. Yeah, well, yeah. I mean,

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but if you remember, two days into the lockdowns, all the leaders of the Western

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Wales were parroting the same thing, opportunity to build back better. Correct. So, we're 48 hours

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into a lockdown, and they've all given up on the economy already. I mean, yeah. It was clearly a

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planned global coup d'etat. Right. So, look, there's a lot of questions I can't answer to you

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about China, but they created their own vaccines, they weren't mRNA, maybe they work, I really don't

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know. The whole thing to me is, from a technical point of view, I think that's a discussion with

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more qualified people, you know, I imagine you've heard it. Can I ask you about,

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what's the importance of the middle class in society? So, what I've heard is that it's

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important, the middle class, I never understood this, but recently I've come to understand,

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but maybe I'm wrong, that the middle class is important because it's... So, in a, you know,

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most countries in the world, like in Africa in particular, but even in South America,

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you've got the oppressed and you've got the oppressors with a rather small middle class,

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and in Africa, probably in some countries, at least no middle class. So, and the alleged

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importance of that is that you have relatively disinterested middle class, who are neither,

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they neither want to be oppressors nor be oppressed. So, allegedly that's a reason for

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middle class, and I just wondered what you understand by the word middle class or words

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middle class or that term. Are you talking about in the West? Yeah, so the alleged importance of

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the middle class is that it's a check on the elites, if you like, the oppressors.

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Yeah, and then... Okay, yeah. Sorry. Well, if you, if you... Firstly, if you, we take America,

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for example, there's a very strong case that the middle class in America arose by accident.

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It wasn't intended. If you look at the end of World War II, the whole world was completely

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flattened, and the only place they had in the industry was America, which was untouched,

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and it had all this huge wartime industry that has now been turned over to productive use.

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They were flooding the world with dollars under the Marshall Plan so that all foreign companies

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could buy American goods. There was really nowhere else to buy them. So, the demand for labor

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outstripped the supply, and that was essentially the first time between, say, 1945 and 1917,

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where the working man had any negotiating power to get a fair deal. Prior to the war,

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they had the 1930s, and the 1920s were a few people made out. So, the middle class, in any

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real sense, was created then. So, between that, take a guy, he'd worked on the production line

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in Detroit. His household debt was virtually nil. He didn't have any credit cards. His wife didn't

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work. His kids went to school. His wife had a car. He had a pension. He had medical, and he probably

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had a little cabin up by the lake. In the 1970s, and this coincides a little with the

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so you saw a transformation. You're breaking up a little bit. I don't know. Oh, I beg your pardon.

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So, what you saw then was that was actually the beginning of American's deindustrialization,

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where you saw the growth of the financial sector and the demise of the productive sector.

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So, but if you understand the big agenda towards a totalitarian government, it is very much Marxism.

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This takes us in a different area, but I mean, if you listen to Klaus Schwab,

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you'll have nothing, you'll know nothing, you'll be happy, and all this other, doesn't that sound

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exactly like communism? Now, I know that sounds counterintuitive. I mean, why would the Ross

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Charles New Yorker fellows want communism? So, we've got to stop thinking about it like that.

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It's a model for totalitarian control to make sure that you have nothing and I have everything. Now,

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this is a whole area. It's kind of taken us in, but what you're seeing now is this cultural

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Marxist agenda. That was first introduced to America in the 1950s. Now, the cultural

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Marxists were the fainthearted school and Marxism in many ways, you've got to understand, as Alex

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talks about the parasite of the financial sector and how it moves and it devours a host and it

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moves on. To a certain extent, Marxism was like that. It devoured the Russian host

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and then it turned its eyes on the West. Now, you can talk for hours on the fainthearted school,

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but these were cultural Marxists. They teach critical theory. If you want to understand all

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this LBTG nonsense that's going on, you have to understand the Frankfurt School.

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Most people look at this insanity and it's like, well, this is the house growth of good intentions

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going crazy. No, it's not. It is a cultural Marxist agenda. In the 1850s, there was revolutions

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tried by the Marxists all over Europe and they failed. The reason why they failed, the conclusion

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they came to was, well, the people in the West are not going to lower their standards of living.

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They're not going to go in for communism because they're too comfortable, which was true. The way

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they were going to do it was to attack it through culture and that is what we're seeing now. Now,

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cultural Marxism, don't joke because it's essentially the operating system of the EU.

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and to an extent America, these are the policies that are following. Now, the cultural Marxism is

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to save the climate. That was set in the 1970s. The culmination of it that we're trying to sell

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now is Agenda 2030 and that's their final push for the New World Order. But it isn't going to work

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unless everybody...

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Sorry, Eamon, you're breaking up, unfortunately.

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And now you've gone. Oh no, you're there. Sorry, you're muted though. You're muted, Eamon.

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So the cultural Marxism is essential, okay, to buy this climate bullshit. And the only people

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buying it are these like these desks with Greta and the greens and everything like that.

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Now that's been pushed through. The cultural Marxism agenda, they had programs like the

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Long March through the institutions, how they were going to penetrate government education.

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That's where we are today, okay. And you'll see the same thing in America, you know.

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They will call themselves lefties if anything, but okay, they're cultural Marxists and they

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don't even understand it. So I would encourage everybody, if you want to understand this,

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to go and study the Frankfurt School. It's one of the most evil things and it's messing up

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generations of kids who are going to need to be deprogrammed. But not just that, Simon. So

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it's cultural Marxism which has one of its techniques to destroy the families, wouldn't

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you say? Well, no, that's exactly the point. The point about Marxism, cultural or otherwise,

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is it's about the critical theory. It's about destroying everything, literally bringing

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everything back to near zero. So if you look at this cultural Marxist agenda, I hesitate to

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call them the lefties because that's actually a contradiction in terms of everything is critical,

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critical race theory, critical sexism theory, critical, everything is critical. They're not

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actually for anything. It's designed to produce generations of unhappy, miserable kids who can't

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see any future. And tell me that is what we're seeing. The gender, this fourier and this

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trans thing, this is all part of it. If you look at the history of the Frankfurt School and their

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involvement in Berlin in the days leading up to World War I, they were pushing sexual degeneracy,

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paedophilia and everything. One of Hitler's things was about decency and German values and

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everything like that. So they didn't have any future and they left in the early days of Hitler.

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Most of the German people had still strong Christian values. They were very much associated.

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So when you see these photographs of the book written in Germany,

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it was pornography. Sorry, can you say that again, Eamon? We lost few of them.

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That's what that was about. Yes, I'm not sure how far back you want me to go, but when you look at

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these images of book burning in Germany, one of the German people were burning was pornography.

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Interesting. Now you've frozen, Eamon.

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You'll come back. No, he's gone now. Yeah, he's been well. Yeah, we will wait. We will. This is,

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everybody, this is the meditation moment. John Bodwin, no going to sleep.

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Oh, Eamon's here. I'm going to get attacked for talking for too long. And it's you talking,

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so can I just ask you? So it seems to me that the cultural Marxism which you talk about is

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it's not exactly a Trojan horse, but it's a means by which they push through Trojan horses, correct?

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So it kind of weakens the individual. It creates confusion. Oh, you've gone now completely.

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No, he's here. No, you're still there.

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You're muted, Eamon. Sorry, you're muted. I'm sorry, I seem to be dropping in and out here.

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I'm not sure where. I'm going to turn my camera off. Yes, I might help. Okay. Sorry. So you can

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hear me, but you can't see me, right? Correct. But at least we can hear you. Okay, jolly good.

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So I was wondering whether the cultural Marxism which you speak of is a technique

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rather than a Trojan horse to push through the Trojan horses. So in this case, the COVID nonsense,

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the Russia war and the climate change nonsense. Is that right?

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Is that right? So I mean, what the final push, and this has basically been their plan since the

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70s, to use climate as the push for the new world order. Now, we can talk about new world order now

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and people don't think you're crazy. I mean, they've been to the, you can go back 100 years

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and see H.G. Wells and the round table talking about that. So a lot of people have been aware

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for a long time, but nobody really knew what it was going to look like. Well, it's the UN,

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that's always been the case. Not the security council, but you look at all these different

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UN bodies. Now the World Health Organization is probably the best example that we could speak

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about here. Look who's funding it, look who's writing the policies. Okay. Now that goes across

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so many UN agencies, a couple of sorts of things, food, aid, medical, education. These are the Trojan

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horses. These are the do-gooders, okay, who don't know what they're doing, who are carrying out

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these plans. The new world order is never going to be some big castle on the mountain with Klaus

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Robb. This is what it looks like. Agenda 2030 is their final push. They're all in. There's no plan

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B. Agenda 2030 has 17 ESG goals, all driven by this climate emergency. How many of these ESG goals

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do you think actually mention the climate? One, try and reduce CO2. The rest of them are of our

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institute in cultural Marxism and getting all these countries to surrender their sovereignty

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on a number of different things to government agents. Gender politics, privatizing and

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industrializing. None of it's got a damn thing to do with climate, which nobody believes.

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Now, you could trace this back. It's very clear where you look at who's behind all this. Every

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country in the world understands it. It isn't going to work. It isn't going to work because

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you can see the tide of history is turning now. The arrogance that they had when they came up with

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this plan, they didn't see the internet, they didn't see the awakening, they didn't see the

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growth of China and Russia as real obstacles. They didn't see any of this, and yet they're pushing

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through on that. Everybody understands what it's about. Nobody's going to go along with it. The

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only countries that are going to go along with it, which is destitute, are the Western world.

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They will go along with this absurdity to a point, but nobody else in the world is going to go along

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with it. It's absolutely doomed to fail. There isn't even a case for it unless you can get China,

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India, Russia to go along with it, and it's not happening. It's not happening.

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Absolutely. So, shall we have some questions from the audience? Where are you, Eamon? I can't see

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you now. I've got my camera. Absolutely. So, Charles? Yes, I'm here. Okay, Eamon, we've got you

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loud and clear. All right, let's go to other questions. Janet, you first, then Marvin.

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Hi, thank you. It's just a brief question. A lot has been said about surveillance in China

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and the alleged social credit system, and I'm just wondering what are actually the facts about these

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on the ground? My apologies. I'm just back with you now. You're dropping in and out. I'm sorry.

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Did you hear the question, Eamon? I'm afraid I didn't. If I could ask Janet to repeat it.

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Thank you. A lot has been said about surveillance in China and the alleged social credit system,

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and I'm wondering what are actually the facts on the ground regarding these? Okay, well, everything

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that you've heard, Janet, about the social credit system is pretty much nonsense. You know, China's

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it's a very, well, it's very technically advanced in as much, I mean, the last time I was in China,

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you couldn't spend a dollar, use a credit card. Everything is payment by QR codes, which everybody

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finds convenient. So, no, I mean, I'll tell you the truth. The last time I was in China was just

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before COVID. And I had some clients over from America and they hadn't been to China before.

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One of the guys said, my sister's a cop. If we saw a cop, I think I'd get a photograph of her.

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So I said, sure. We traveled all over China. We were there 10 days. We never saw a cop.

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So it's a very well ordered society. It's one of the safest countries in the world. It was in a

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street in China where somebody wouldn't be safe to walk down. But Janet, I'll tell you, a very

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good friend of mine, Matt Errett, who's known to the group, will be back on in a couple of weeks.

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And he's done some excellent work on that to disprove it. But I will tell you, please don't

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believe anything that you hear about what they're telling you what's going on in China. That's

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not true. Damon, you said something then. So I know you're in Thailand. So you're saying things

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that my MP said to me, I think it was my MP said to me recently in a letter, the first letter for

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about two years, about central bank digital currencies. And he was telling me how convenient

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it would be for everyone. I think I'm quoting the letter correctly or the sense of it anyway.

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And I said to my son, well, I think that's for me to decide whether it's convenient for me

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not to be told that it's convenient for everyone. So I think it so you probably don't hear this,

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you see. So in Thailand, but so what I'm trying to say is this, what really is scary for me,

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I've met a few Chinese people in Sweden and in the UK, and they do seem to be kind of, they don't.

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So a little bit different. Now, it could be cultural, you know, a lot of respect and all that,

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you know, but too much respect, I would say. And maybe, you know, the meritocracy,

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which governs China, they kind of, it's really top down, you know, and there's massive respect

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for the meritocracy. So now I'm just wondering, so I don't understand. It does seem to be the case

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that they use these same arguments, you know, that are always convenient for everyone, therefore,

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will instituted for everybody. Is that true or not? Because we don't like being told what to do

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on this group, you see. I apologize. I've just come back in, Stephen. What were you asked? Could

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you ask me that again? I'm so sorry. Yeah. Could you make that question one sentence, please?

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Yeah. So, um, oh, it's pity you missed it. How much have you heard of it, Eamon? Have we got to say

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the whole lot again? The question was about like the digital currency, I believe. Yeah. So what

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worries me when I hear you answering, Janet, you said it's convenient for everybody. We pay for

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everything by QR codes. Well, sorry, I don't like QR codes because I think it's a tool of totalitarianism.

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I'm just asking you about this now. I'm not falling out with you. Um, well, first and foremost,

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for disclosure, I'm a guy that doesn't own a cell phone. I don't have a phone. I don't use any social

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media. So you can see where I'm coming from with this. The Chinese who use the digital currency

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don't think it's a means of government control. They think it's convenient. That's the point.

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Isn't it a means of government control in China? Well, yeah, I mean, it's one of them. Yes. But

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look, can I back this conversation now? Everybody seems to be so terrified of China. Um,

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no, we're not terrified of China. We don't want totalitarianism.

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Well, look, they don't have totalitarianism in China. Chinese people can go where they want.

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They can leave the country. They can buy a house. In fact, house ownership there is

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in the high eighties. Okay. They've got complete freedom. Now, if you look at people in the West,

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okay, I will, I will make the point that people in China have got more freedom than people in

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the West. That's a long argument. I don't want to get into it with you. Okay. Well, that's absolutely

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a fact. Right. So none of their freedoms are represented, but we will never know what kind

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of an open and free society China would have been had it not been under relentless assault from the

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West for the last 70 years around all its borders and it's carrying on today. So, but the main thing

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what it is, there's China, everything about China has a uniqueness to it. It's all always got

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Chinese characteristics and specific to Chinese culture, Chinese society, things that you might

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find offensive or perfectly normal to the Chinese. And there's lots of things that we take for

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granted that they don't like. Okay. So highly functional society. And there was not one thing

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that China was doing to try and influence people outside its borders. So if we agree with the

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concept of national sovereignty and don't even fear what, you know, now there's where I live here

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on Thailand, there's an enormous community of expats. All of us agree. We don't talk about the

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Thai government. We're guests in this country. It's none of our business. We're great. We're

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grateful for their hospitality. We all pretty much feel like that. We shouldn't be interfering in

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other people's countries. So what is happening in China, that's up to them. What we need a

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focus on is what's China's role in the world? How does it behave in the world? That's the key issue.

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When they start talking about problems in China, it strikes you from that.

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So, but, Eamon, we're not worried about China.

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Steven, we're going to have to stack your hands up. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. Go ahead, please.

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Very quickly, Eamon, we're not worrying about what the Chinese are imposing on us.

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No, no, I do understand that.

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Yeah, okay. Well, they're trying to say it's a Chinese model. It isn't. Now, they do things

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in China, okay, but they're not necessarily doing them for the same reasons. So the CBDC and the

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payment systems in China, they're not doing them for the same reason that they're trying to implement

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in the West. That's the first thing to understand. These payment systems, and again, look, I'm not

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advocating for them. I don't use them. Like I said, I don't have a phone. But in terms of moving the

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economy along, where it's peer to peer, where even in a taxi, you put your two phones together,

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and all of a sudden he's paid, it's in his bank account. It's not checks and three days banking

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and the bank taking a piece of the transaction. That makes a lot of sense. Logically, if you're

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not worried about the surveillance and control that goes with it, makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah, we're not worried about that, Eamon, after the last three and a half years. That's just

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the point. Anyway.

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Mike, come on. We're going to Marvin. Marvin, over to you.

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Hey, Eamon, I went to China 15 years ago. I was in Beijing for three weeks, and I found this myth

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of the Chinese devaluing women and girls to be completely exploded. They seemed to run the culture.

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Could you talk about that in a little?

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Yeah, well, anybody that says that has never met a Chinese woman.

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Yeah, well, even Chairman Mao said women hold up the sky. I mean,

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women occupy top posts in all corporations and every walk of government. It's one of the more

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egalitarian places you'll ever see in that regard. But if anybody thinks that Chinese women are these

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like shrinking violets, they've never met any. So, yeah, it's a good observation, Marvin. But I

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guarantee you, like I said at the beginning, there's two kinds of people, those that hate China

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and those that have been there. So.

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Just to briefly interject, just to say that certainly in the area where I live in West Wales,

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the there's a big Chinese community in relation to the university. And I must say, they all seem

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very obedient in terms of persistent mask wearing, even when they were out, you know, on a day out on

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a fishing boat in the middle of the sea, they're still wearing their masks. So there seems to just

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seem to be an element of kind of obedience amongst the Chinese, which, you know, maybe is a little bit

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assaultive of what you were suggesting. I wouldn't disagree with that, Janet. I mean,

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if you understand how their culture works and the sort of Confucian model, that is, that is, I mean,

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it's not that there isn't a rebellious spirit, but you really have to understand Confucianism.

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But I have to tell you, this obsession with masks was consistent throughout Asia, because Asians,

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you know, in big cities, you know, they're used to wearing masks, you know, for reasons

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unassociated to COVID. So yeah, I mean, the Chinese are the Chinese, but, you know,

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I'm trying to explain really why there's so much animosity towards them. And, you know,

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whenever you think about the Chinese, they are not the problem, you know, in the world today.

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And so they have questions.

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No, Lou, hang on, hang on. No, Marvin, you're done. Lou, put your hand up.

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Marvin, excellent, excellent point, who is actually in charge. And people thought Julius

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Caesar was in charge, but clearly 2000 years ago, it was his wife who was in charge. So there you are.

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Jack?

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Yeah, Caesar's wife must be beyond reproach.

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Okay, I'm at bat here. Yeah, I have, I want to change the subject a bit to something broader,

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which is this monumental shift that's taking place right now on the planet,

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which is led by China and partially by Russia, the represented in the Shanghai

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Cooperation Organization and the BRICS, which are planning to join together.

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They'll be meeting in Johannesburg next month. And in that context, and I think this is a response

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to the threat of the Western controlled New World Order. You see, there is a New World Order

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taking place, but it's on quite a different basis. And I just listened last night to an interesting

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interview by a Lebanese podcaster of a couple of Africans talking about the Belt and Road

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Initiative in Africa. And I wanted to get your comments about the Belt and Road Initiative, but

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what they were describing was something that is completely different than the Western model of

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exploitation in Africa. And one of the interviewees pointed out that the West has had 400 years

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to improve conditions in Africa. They've had 400 years to get the job done. And they've done

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nothing but exploit African resources and African labor. And I would carry that right up through

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the Clinton and Obama administrations in this country, which have done horrible things.

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Obama destroyed the most highly developed country in Africa, which was Libya, had

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universal healthcare, universal government paid higher education, no homelessness, etc.

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And a gold bank currency that Gaddafi was planning to expand to a pan-African currency.

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And of course, he had to be murdered and his whole country had to be destroyed. And that's the way

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we in the West operate. And these two people from Africa were describing this totally different

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model that China is using, which is a very respectful model and a very reciprocal model.

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They go in and they say, okay, well, you have a lot of resources in this continent that we

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would like to have. And so we have a lot of technological capacity and it's tit for tat.

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We will trade you the things you need for the things that we need. And they experience it as

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a very respectful and reciprocal kind of development. So they're building airports,

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they're building public structures, they're providing all these things, highways,

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etc. that Africa needs. And the Africans in turn are assisting them in providing us

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the raw materials that we need, the minerals and oil, especially all the mineral resources for our

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microelectronics industries. And there's an attitude there, which I see is basically

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a communist kind of ethic. Let's all work together. Let's make sure that everybody benefits

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and nobody is exploiting anybody else. And that's what their experience of the Belt and Road Initiative

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in Africa is. So anyway, I wonder if you could comment on that whole development.

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What was the first one again? Jack, I have to say,

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I agree absolutely with everything that you've just said. That's pretty much it.

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It is a completely and totally different attitude. It's a completely different approach.

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When you say to people in the West that the Chinese approach is on mutual benefit and a

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win-win situation, it's generally regarded with a certain amount of scepticism.

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It seems like a Canadian concept that somebody isn't exploiting somebody else. But

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I'll tell you a story. I mean, what brought me to Asia as a young man in the first place was

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martial arts. That was my obsession at the time. It was my excuse for being in China the first time.

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So I knew about the Art of War, which is a 26-year-old book written by Sun Tzu,

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we call it, Leo. It's 36 principles for conflict. I never heard it mentioned in China. In fact,

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I never really paid any attention to it until 79 when I was at business school for a year in Chicago.

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It was everywhere. Required reading on every MBA course. The Art of War, the Art of War with

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business, the Art of War with marketing. I never really paid much attention to it. Then I was back

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there in 80 to 85 and I began to realize that it is actually there. Subsequently, I think,

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because my pair was the project management for foreign companies in China. Every one of them

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was based on a win-win principle. It couldn't work any other way.

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So this dog-eat-dog zero-sum game, the pie is only so big, it's almost like the Wall Street

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Trader mentality where every winner's got a loser.

663
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We've lost you, Eamonn.

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Oh, you're back again.

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I'm back again. I apologize for keep dropping out. But there was this mentality that every business

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deal has got a winner and a loser. Well, real business deals where you need cooperation between

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two parties can only work if both sides are getting what they want out of it. That's win-win.

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So you hear a lot of things levied against China. It's a form of imperialism. What are they up to?

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It's a debt trap. None of these things are true. These are genuine. That's why their approach and

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the Russian approach to these countries in the global south had so much appeal.

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And what you said about Africa, it goes much further than that. I mean, the African Union

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are very much attached to both Russia and China because of the way that they deal with them.

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They don't talk down to them. You'll hear them say this. The African Union and Africa itself

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has been plundered for 200 years. South America longer, Asia longer.

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This is the tale of imperialism. This is what everybody is... The Belt and Road and the initiative

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that we're seeing now, the Shanghai cooperation, in essence, it's anti-imperialism. They're all

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rebelling against the same thing. The Chinese model is very much about

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development. The Belt and Road Initiative is about development. The model of financing they're using

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is completely different. And that's their crime because the financial private sector is being

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cut out of it largely. That's very similar to the Islamic model of...

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Sounds like this...

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Model is very different. They won't allow usury, but they have a model whereby you become an investor.

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So their thing is they're investing in a project and that's where they see a profit.

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The Medici's did exactly the same thing in Florence. That's the way they got around the usury laws

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400 odd years ago. It's a different model of finance. It's public financing.

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When you use public financing you can do anything. Is everybody still with me here?

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Yeah, we can hear you, Eamon.

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The thing that struck me when you were describing...

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Yeah, we can hear you.

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Can you hear us?

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The thing that struck me when you were talking about the lack of police, the lack of surveillance

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that everybody, the Westerners project into what they see, is really the same kind of contract

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between government and citizens, where citizens actually trust their government

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and the government trusts them and they don't really need surveillance and policing.

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You're muted, Eamon. I think you dropped off.

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Sorry, I keep dropping it in.

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Maybe if you drop your video, Eamon. If you drop your video you might stay on longer.

698
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Okay, how's that? I'm sorry, Jack, I missed a part of what you were saying.

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I think what I was adding to this, that the same spirit of cooperation and reciprocity

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exists between the government and the people in China. So the government trusts the people

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to do the right thing and the people don't have to fear the government.

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In other words, they don't need surveillance, they don't need external control, they don't

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need so much policing.

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Well, that's going to be a different situation in every country, but listen, you touched.

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Give me two minutes to explain something about their financial system and their approach.

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It's not like the Islamic system. The Islamic system is worded differently in as much that

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where they actually make or classify it as an investment. The Medici's did the same thing,

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in Florence in the 1600s to get around their usury laws. How it works today, if you've got

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public bank, so basically you've got two ways to finance something. If you use the private sector

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or you can use public banking, that means that the government is actually producing the money

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for public use. That's the principle of public banking is public banking is there to serve the

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economy. In the West, the economy is there to serve the banking. Now that's the first

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thing you have to understand. So how does it work? So I'm going to give you an example.

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So you've got, I'm going back about 20 years here. You've got Shanghai,

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you know, on one side of the Yangtze Delta and on the other side, you've got the province of Nantong,

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Nantong city population of about 9 million. They're supplied by an estuary of about 15 miles.

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So if you wanted to drive, I'm sorry, I could probably explain this better with a map, but

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if you wanted to go drive from Nantong to Shanghai, about 45 kilometers as the crow flies,

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you had to drive seven hours up the estuary and back down again. It was a nightmare.

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So the Chinese build a bridge. It was the longest bridge of its kind in the world, a toll bridge.

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Now, how did they do it? Well, they issued a public bond jointly assumed by the cities of

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Suzhou and Nantong. Suzhou is like an out of line city of Shanghai. So the bonds issued on maybe

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50 year bond. Low interest rate. It's paid back from the tolls which are collected on both sides

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by Nantong and Suzhou respectively, and that goes to pay the bond. Now, over a period of time,

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20 years, that will easily pay for itself. If this was supposed to be private capital,

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they wouldn't do it, which is why no infrastructure gets built in the West.

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Because they get paid eventually, but the return is too low and the time frame is too long.

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Public capital doesn't look at it like that because what public capital says,

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see private capital can only evaluate the project on the basis of one return investment,

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which is the tolls. But no, the government doesn't. The government looks at it like this and it says,

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okay, there's 400,000 cars a day user, one and a half people in each car, that's 600,000 people

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a day. 600,000 times six hours saved. There's millions of hours a day

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that could be put to some productive use. The previously was spent sitting in a car,

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wasting time, causing congestion and pumping out pollution. The GDP on both sides of the bridge

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have escalated tremendously and it's improved people's lives. That's what infrastructure does.

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You invest to raise the economy and this is the important part. People talk about capitalism as

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the big evil. The way we've come to understand it, yes, but there's different kinds of capitalism.

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There's the kind of financial capitalism that we see in the West, it's all about debt.

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And then there's productive capitalism where you're actually investing in the productive sector.

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That's the financial model. And yes, China is magnificent now at building infrastructure in

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terms of cost, time, efficiency. It's not just trains, it's hydroelectric dams, it's power,

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it's airports, it's schools, it's industrial development, training programs.

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And this is available to every country in the world. Now, the economic model can apply everywhere,

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but how it works is different country by country, depending on their situation, strengths and

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weaknesses. The Belt and Road Initiative is completely different in every country.

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That's the appeal of it. It's a different economic paradigm and it works and that's why it's the

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enemy. Now, people say, what are China up to? You know what I mean? Blah, blah, blah. Well,

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they got a very simple model. They invest in development because all these countries have

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got natural resources. They can't get the market. And also the China would like to see them be a

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nice prosperous country because there are going to be markets for their goods. Their model is

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based on prosperity, not wealth extraction, which as you pointed out, is the empire model.

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So yes, Jack, it's a complicated subject. There's countless books, papers, talks about it.

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I've witnessed it from its inception. So it's a good thing. It's bringing people together.

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It's helping countries that are deprived of capital, a real opportunity to turn their

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economies and societies around. And it's a real alternative to the existing neoliberal model,

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which as you said, is about wealth extraction, not development.

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Very good. Thank you, Eamonn. Excellent. Thank you, Jack, for the question. Jim.

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Thank you very much. Hey, great presentation on China and you seem to be a very big fan of

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China and I appreciate that. There seem to be a lot of good things that are underestimated from

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China. What are the commonalities or can you draw some parallels? What is the best thing that China

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can offer in terms of their banking systems you were talking about, if you could expand upon that?

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And then also the city of London and its ties to China, starting with symbolism and the two

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dragons versus the dragon in China and the imperial family calling them the real sons of the dragon

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versus anything else you have on the imperial family and the city of London in China. Thanks.

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You're an Eagles fan.

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Absolutely. Yeah.

767
1:30:16 --> 1:30:21
Well, my heart's always been with Washington ever since I won 100 bucks when they beat Miami

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40 years ago. Okay. When you talk about China, I've spent a good part of the last 40 years

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explaining China to the West and trust me, I'm not suggesting by any means that the place is perfect,

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but I was there in 1976. I in fact got there the day Chairman Mao died. Have you just seen the

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country at that time? It was at the end of the cultural revolution. It was in turmoil.

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Everybody had a tale of woe. The GDP of China at the time was lower than Nigeria.

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I've seen China raise 1 billion people, absolute grueling, humiliating, soul destroying poverty

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to a better way of life. I've seen this sort of desperate hopelessness in people's eyes where

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they know that this is it. They've got no realistic prospect for a better life. So

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China today is completely different. I mean, I encourage you just go on YouTube and look at

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China infrastructure projects, look at their technology, look how far they've come because

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the government invested in all the right things, invested in education, in science and technology.

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And in so many of these cases, I mean, they've just leapfrogged generations of progress.

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So yeah, I mean, you know, look, I'm the, you know, I'm an Irishman, so I'm a born anarchist. I don't

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believe in government or what to do, but you have to absolutely acknowledge the achievement

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of the Chinese government. And the people in China, I mean, this is not understood. They're

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like somehow they're impressed and they don't have any democracy. Their system, very few people have

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got any critiques about the central government because they're all aware of what the central

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government has done. Now, they've all got a healthy cynicism of the government. They don't

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believe the media or anything like that. It's like a running joke. The Chinese are not communist,

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believe me. On a local level, they've got democracy. The town I was living in for a while,

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about 9 million in central Shandong, there was plans to build a factory. It turns out it was a

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chemical factory. It was near a school, near a residential area. Thousands of people came out

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and, you know, protested outside the local government building. There were TV crews there

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listening to them. They were being interviewed, you know, it was on TV. Central government got

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involved, looked at it. You're right, they closed the factory, no factory. So, you know, on a local

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level, you'll see a lot of people protesting and it works in China. It doesn't seem to work in the

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West, but it works in China. So, do I have affection for the place? Yeah, I have to say in all my years

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in China, everybody was really nice to me. You know, they're lovely people and like I said,

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if anybody's ever been to China, they would feel differently about it.

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In terms of... The second part of Tim's question. Yeah, the second part of Tim's question is about

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the banking system. The public banking system, China didn't create it. It's been used elsewhere,

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always successfully. There's a public banking system in the Bank of North Dakota, which works

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very, very well apparently. So, China didn't invent that, but public banking, okay, involves cutting

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out the hegemon for his piece of the action and that always causes a problem.

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The other form of private central banking where you're creating debt-based money is always going

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to create an oligarchy and it's always going to create the rich-poor divide. The public banking

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gives the ability to create a fairer society and see development from the bottom up as opposed to

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the top down. Was there another part of that question? Yes, the city of London and their ties to...

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1:35:16 --> 1:35:23
Well, the city of London has always been... Yeah, it's always been the adversary of China.

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Let me put it like that. When the Chinese Civil War was coming to a conclusion, the communists

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were leaving, the communists were winning. The Kuomintang fled to Taiwan and they also took the

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entirety of China's gold reserves. Those gold reserves were there for a couple of years and

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then the Americans said to the Taiwanese, well, we don't know about that, you know, the Chinese

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might invade, you better leave your gold with us. So, Chinese gold went to Taiwan and then went and

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ended up in America. And the Taiwanese have been trying to get it back ever since.

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So, the Bank of England and China are opponents, they are enemies. The Bank of England is the head

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of the snake for the financial system. And look, Charles said earlier, we're at war. Yes, we are.

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We are in the final battle. There was a British historian, 19th century historian, Lord Acton,

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and he said, as it's been coming throughout mankind, it will come down to the final battle,

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which is the bankers versus the people. That is what we are seeing now.

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What I mean by that is Russia and China have seen the devil. That is the Western financial system

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and what they're about. They're not having them. Iran isn't having them. So, whatever you think of

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Russia, whatever you think of China, let me sum it up like this. They are protecting their people

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from the financial system, from the bankers. They've been the enemy of mankind since

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going back to the days of Babylon. So, if we have any freedoms left in the West in 10 years,

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you can thank the Chinese and the Russians because they're standing up to the New World Order and

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everybody else in all those other countries outside the West knows that. When they speak

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with Russia and China, they're treated with dignity, they're treated as equals, and I'll talk down to

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it. That's very much the sort of thing that you're hearing from the Africans. They're treated with

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respect. So, the City of London is the head of the snake, simple as that. People talk about

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military industrial complex. The military industrial complex is part of the banker industrial complex.

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The war profiteers have always been the bankers. Go back to the American Civil War, JP Morgan,

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who was a front for the Ross-Giles, sold weapons to the North. The great DuPont fortune was founded,

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Irene DuPont, more or less had the monopoly of supplying gunpowder to the North. They prospered

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through the First World War, the Second World War. If you look at pre-World War I, Europe,

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the two biggest arms manufacturers in Britain were Maxim Gorky and Vickers, both owned by the Ross-Giles.

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They profited enormously from both wars. Now, today, if you look at the military industrial

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complex, it's a web of cross-investments and hedge funds and whatever. That's the bankers.

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So, the military industrial complex from 1945 to at least March last year shunned every possibility

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for peace. And that's where we are today. So, there's one part of the world that's about building

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things and creating and elevating and the other part of the world which just wants to blow everything

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up. Everybody can pretty much say that now. Can I ask a follow-on question? Yes, Jim, go.

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That was excellent. Thank you very much. Can you relate the City of London to MI6

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and this bi-network of Six Eyes, the Crown Colonies?

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Yes, well, the Crown is kind of a deliberate obfuscation. It's trying to associate it with

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the royalty. Well, the royalty is just the avatar of the front. The Crown corporations

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are the instruments of control. When you had the British Empire ostensibly split up and become the

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Commonwealth, all the institutions of control were still there. The banking system, the red-winged

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was still there. The banking system, the round tables. So, the control never actually left.

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What it did is give the British Empire more votes in the United Nations. So, the Crown,

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the Crown Corporation of the City of London, for example, that owns the United States of America

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Inc. in 1871. When you hear America's not a country, it's a business. That is literally true.

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It was always a business.

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I mean, you could talk about the Crown forever. I don't know what to say about that.

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Now, that's good. That's very good, Jim.

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Okay.

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Yep. Okay. Thank you, Jim. Very good. Great questions. Amy Smith is next.

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Hello. Can you hear me on this?

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1:41:17 --> 1:41:18
Yep. Yes, ma'am.

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Okay. Is it too loud? Well, I have a new microphone.

858
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That's good.

859
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So, I'm just wondering if you've ever looked at the work of E. Michael Jones, talks about

860
1:41:32 --> 1:41:39
these cultural Marxism operations, as well as the imposition of communism.

861
1:41:41 --> 1:41:44
One of his books is called The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit. It's about the...

862
1:41:45 --> 1:41:54
No, I'm actually a big fan of him. I mean, he's one of those courageous people. When you talk about

863
1:41:54 --> 1:42:03
Jewish revolution and the New World Order, you make yourself an easy target for slurs. We've all been

864
1:42:03 --> 1:42:14
there. No, I'm a big fan of his. He's also done some excellent work on Babylonian money magic,

865
1:42:14 --> 1:42:21
which is what we're talking about here now. So, yeah, there's a lot of very, very good

866
1:42:23 --> 1:42:30
people that are actually addressing and speaking about this now. But the motivators between the

867
1:42:30 --> 1:42:37
New World Order are Jewish. The people behind the Frankfurt School, they're Jewish. If you want to

868
1:42:37 --> 1:42:45
understand about this immigration situation and the dilution of Europe, you need to understand

869
1:42:45 --> 1:42:55
the Calergy Plan. So, this New World Order that they're trying to create, or they're a great reset,

870
1:42:55 --> 1:43:02
it's been in the works for a long time. There was a lot to it, the Cultural Marxism, the Calergy Plan,

871
1:43:03 --> 1:43:08
and essentially it's a very small group of people, not exclusively Jewish, but

872
1:43:10 --> 1:43:15
who have a hatred for the white Christian race, who they see as the main opposition, so they're

873
1:43:15 --> 1:43:23
standing up. There's a very good case that World War I, World War II, it served a purpose with

874
1:43:23 --> 1:43:34
the Calergy Plan, some of the finest young Europeans. It's a subject that needs to be spoken

875
1:43:34 --> 1:43:39
about because it's absolutely a fact. And I mean, this same group of people have been equally

876
1:43:39 --> 1:43:46
horrific to their own Jewish people. When they found Israel and you had these Sephardic Jews,

877
1:43:47 --> 1:43:54
who were very religious, they came over. The Israeli government then didn't want these

878
1:43:54 --> 1:44:00
particular kind of Jews, so it took all the children away to the weekend and sterilized them.

879
1:44:02 --> 1:44:10
So, it's a destructive group, and it doesn't care it's destructive about. And again, if you follow

880
1:44:10 --> 1:44:17
that through and you study the Cultural Marxism, it's about the destruction of Western society,

881
1:44:17 --> 1:44:22
Western values, Western family, and replacing it with something else. Now,

882
1:44:23 --> 1:44:32
as I said, the final push is this Agenda 2030. But Agenda 2030, I think when they first lay down

883
1:44:32 --> 1:44:39
the 1970s, there ain't some horrifically arrogant assumptions that are no longer valid. They don't

884
1:44:39 --> 1:44:46
control the rest of the world. And Cultural Marxism has only really taken hold in the Western

885
1:44:46 --> 1:44:54
societies that are not homogeneous. Now, it's got no traction in Russia or Eastern Europe,

886
1:44:54 --> 1:44:59
Eastern Europe, they've seen it and are having it. It's not going anywhere in China, Iran,

887
1:45:00 --> 1:45:07
because these are civilizations with their own value system, their own way of figuring things out.

888
1:45:08 --> 1:45:13
And that's why it's going to fail, because the only people that are actually falling for this

889
1:45:13 --> 1:45:19
nonsense are the people in the West who are being conditioned in all this virtue signaling.

890
1:45:21 --> 1:45:23
So yeah, that's a very good question. Thank you.

891
1:45:24 --> 1:45:31
Well, can I just tack on a tiny, tiny press forward that this idea that the West is monolithic,

892
1:45:31 --> 1:45:37
which we often say talk like that just because it's convenient or whatever. But the whole idea of

893
1:45:37 --> 1:45:43
the West being targeted, like you say, with the Cultural Marxism, that there's been different

894
1:45:43 --> 1:45:49
kinds of Western colonialism, it's not all one thing of a piece. And that maybe the white pill

895
1:45:49 --> 1:45:56
is that we could embrace and return to the wisdom of Catholicism, you're Irish, right?

896
1:45:56 --> 1:46:05
And strengthen ourselves for the spiritual battle by reuniting under Christ's church to

897
1:46:05 --> 1:46:14
stand up to this demonic force that's been making war on children, on families, on sexuality, on

898
1:46:15 --> 1:46:20
just even the very gender of a person as if that could be changed or surrogacy could be normalized

899
1:46:20 --> 1:46:25
or transhumanism, all of these demonic things, genetic engineering, mRNA vaccination, all of

900
1:46:25 --> 1:46:34
these demonic things. Doesn't it make sense to try to unite around the force that is terrifying

901
1:46:34 --> 1:46:39
and strong against those demonic things, which is Christ, that's just put that out there. Anyway,

902
1:46:39 --> 1:46:44
that's what I think. That's what I've gotten to. But I'd be curious to what you think as an Irishman

903
1:46:44 --> 1:46:54
about that. Well, I grew up in the Catholic faith and I wasn't very impressed with it. I

904
1:46:55 --> 1:47:00
realized I sort of couldn't help but notice early on that Catholics didn't seem to be any better

905
1:47:00 --> 1:47:08
than anybody else. I think the Vatican itself has been a terrible force for evil in the world.

906
1:47:09 --> 1:47:18
But in terms of the eternal battle between good and evil and spirituality, and us finding out

907
1:47:18 --> 1:47:25
who we are, that's also been a battle. I mean, you can go back way before the French Revolution and

908
1:47:25 --> 1:47:34
you could see what they falsely call the humanists, who people are Voltaire, where they were sort of

909
1:47:34 --> 1:47:41
decrying God. Voltaire, you know, there was no such thing as God, man would have to invent him.

910
1:47:41 --> 1:47:47
And that got into the Psyche. So that was very much part of that Jacobite movement that spurred

911
1:47:47 --> 1:47:53
the French Revolution. But then you saw it later with people like Zygmunt Freud, and they want to

912
1:47:53 --> 1:47:59
separate people from their spirituality to reduce us to the point where we accept that, hey, we're

913
1:47:59 --> 1:48:06
just animals with instincts and impulses, that there is no higher power because that has to go

914
1:48:06 --> 1:48:12
too. Because part of this cultural agenda is that you have to worship the state to the exclusion of

915
1:48:12 --> 1:48:19
everything else. You don't have parents, the fact that the state raises you, they condition you,

916
1:48:19 --> 1:48:25
you know, it's them that you salute every morning. That's all part of it. And if it sounds far-fetched,

917
1:48:25 --> 1:48:30
I encourage people to go and again, study the cultural Marxist agenda so they can really

918
1:48:30 --> 1:48:39
understand what's behind what's going on today. But if I could, I'm sorry, I can't see your name

919
1:48:39 --> 1:48:50
up here. Amy. Amy Smith. Well, thank you, Amy. I have to say I've been pretty much an atheist

920
1:48:50 --> 1:49:00
all my life. But I'm actually changing. I mean, I'm not pretending that I'm a particularly spiritual

921
1:49:00 --> 1:49:08
person. In fact, I'm probably pretty shallow. But none of this makes sense to me unless I bring in

922
1:49:08 --> 1:49:21
a spiritual element to it. There's definitely an evil that exists. You've heard the expression,

923
1:49:21 --> 1:49:25
the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist.

924
1:49:26 --> 1:49:33
That was actually written in 1848 by Charles Baudelaire, who was a French writer and philosopher.

925
1:49:34 --> 1:49:40
And during that time in France, the place was in turmoil. The failed French Revolution,

926
1:49:40 --> 1:49:46
the restoration of an unpopular monarchy, reestablishment of an aristocratic money

927
1:49:46 --> 1:49:52
class. And the whole country was completely broke because they were being bled for reparations for

928
1:49:52 --> 1:49:59
the Napoleonic Wars. Everybody was angry, but nobody knew who to be angry at. That was the

929
1:50:00 --> 1:50:09
term. Well, we do know who to be angry at today. We do know there is a source for this.

930
1:50:10 --> 1:50:15
People talk about joining the dots. I think it's actually easier than that. If you take any

931
1:50:15 --> 1:50:20
conflict or tragedy going on in the world today, you can trace it back to the source in about three

932
1:50:20 --> 1:50:34
moves or less. All right. Thank you. I completely agree with everything you said. They don't want

933
1:50:34 --> 1:50:40
us to be in touch with our spirituality. They don't want us to think that there's anything more.

934
1:50:41 --> 1:50:45
They don't want us to have values that conflict with theirs, which is that we should all worship

935
1:50:45 --> 1:50:56
the state. But, Eamon, I'm not trying to contradict you now. Could you explain in China,

936
1:50:56 --> 1:51:04
where is religion in China? Isn't that exactly what they do in China? Don't they worship the state

937
1:51:04 --> 1:51:08
because they're so grateful to the state for dragging them out of poverty? Is that right?

938
1:51:08 --> 1:51:17
No. Well, you can go to Easter Sunday Mass at a church in Shanghai if you want, or you can

939
1:51:17 --> 1:51:26
worship at a mosque. There's freedom of religion in China. I mean, that's one of these things that

940
1:51:26 --> 1:51:34
they try and throw out about human rights in China. Nobody has any example beyond the Uighurs. There

941
1:51:34 --> 1:51:41
seems to be this assumption that the Chinese persecute their minorities. China has 55 different

942
1:51:41 --> 1:51:46
ethnic groups, and it encourages them all to celebrate their culture and their local language.

943
1:51:47 --> 1:51:57
One of those cultural groups are the Muslim population. They're all over China, all over China.

944
1:51:57 --> 1:52:05
Now, they have always had more rights than the average Chinese. They didn't have to send their

945
1:52:05 --> 1:52:11
kids to school. They could go to a mosque and learn that. Most of them didn't even speak Chinese.

946
1:52:12 --> 1:52:16
They could have more than one child during the period of the one-child policy.

947
1:52:16 --> 1:52:23
Now, if you look at where they keep pointing to, which is this area, Xinjiang province, which is

948
1:52:23 --> 1:52:32
the extreme northwest of China. It's a large area. It's resource-rich. It's not productive land. It's

949
1:52:32 --> 1:52:42
very dry. That's where most of the Uighur Muslim Chinese are. Now, there's never been a problem

950
1:52:42 --> 1:52:50
with them, but what you have in that whole area, firstly, understand Xinjiang borders as Pakistan,

951
1:52:50 --> 1:53:00
Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmikistan. So China actually has 14 borders that it shares with other

952
1:53:00 --> 1:53:08
countries. Eight of them were Islamic. It has no problem with any of these Islamic nations. In fact,

953
1:53:08 --> 1:53:14
they're very friendly, but they all have exactly the same problem, which is radicals trying to

954
1:53:14 --> 1:53:21
fundamentalize the kids. Every single one of those countries has that same problem, and they're

955
1:53:21 --> 1:53:29
western-funded. There's a terrorist group there called the Turkic Islamic Army that work in that

956
1:53:29 --> 1:53:37
area. There, the guys driving around on toyotas, waving Kalashnikov in Syria and Iraq and everywhere

957
1:53:38 --> 1:53:45
that they're stirring up trouble. So do you have religious freedom, China? Yes, you do.

958
1:53:45 --> 1:53:49
So you can go there and practice any religion you want. I'm afraid that's another mess.

959
1:53:52 --> 1:53:57
Very good. I'm an excellent explanation. We've got everybody half an hour to go home, and you're

960
1:53:57 --> 1:54:04
doing very well. It's now four o'clock in the morning. Thank you so much. We've got a couple

961
1:54:04 --> 1:54:05
hands up, and then we go back to Stephen.

962
1:54:14 --> 1:54:16
What did you say, Eamonn, then?

963
1:54:21 --> 1:54:27
I'm not going back to bed. The coffee's kicked in. I'm wide awake, so please feel free.

964
1:54:27 --> 1:54:48
I'm fine. I've got to tell you, your analysis of everything today is absolutely excellent.

965
1:54:49 --> 1:54:55
I've studied China, particularly its financial system, its banking system for a very long time.

966
1:54:55 --> 1:55:01
25 years I've been on the job. Everything you said today is accurate. They run their

967
1:55:03 --> 1:55:13
financial system like a Swiss clock, and they enable it to then basically let the real economy

968
1:55:13 --> 1:55:20
get to work on the goods and services. So everything you said there is, I agree, totally 100%. I watch

969
1:55:21 --> 1:55:25
the Chinese finance system very closely. I read reports every week.

970
1:55:26 --> 1:55:31
I've got three questions. Thank you for your excellence of your comments today. I agree with

971
1:55:31 --> 1:55:36
just about everything you've said on other things to geopolitical situation and whatever.

972
1:55:37 --> 1:55:39
I've got three questions for you, and they're all fairly similar.

973
1:55:40 --> 1:55:46
So you could make a note. First is the connection between WEF and the Chinese government.

974
1:55:46 --> 1:55:53
I'm very concerned that they're continuing with the summer Davos meetings. So that's question one.

975
1:55:54 --> 1:56:03
Question two is, was mRNA technology used for the vaccines in China? I really can't find this

976
1:56:03 --> 1:56:11
information. And thirdly, I just want to back you up on the CBDC, the Chinese Central Bank

977
1:56:12 --> 1:56:21
Digital Currency or the digital yuan. It's in very, very small circulation in China. It hasn't

978
1:56:22 --> 1:56:29
been expanded much at all. I put the actual facts up on the chat previously.

979
1:56:30 --> 1:56:40
The digital yuan is 0.16% of China's cash in circulation. So it's nothing. It's tiny.

980
1:56:40 --> 1:56:47
And it represents only 1.4% of total GDP transactions. So this endless talk in the

981
1:56:47 --> 1:56:55
West of the social credit system and their digital money system is just not true. It's another myth.

982
1:56:56 --> 1:57:01
So they're my three questions. I'll just go through them again. The WEF and the Chinese

983
1:57:01 --> 1:57:08
government, mRNA use in China, and perhaps another comment on the CBDC, but that's not so essential.

984
1:57:10 --> 1:57:17
Everything you've said, firstly, you'll understand, of course, that the Chinese,

985
1:57:17 --> 1:57:24
the way they do things is slowly. So that's, they don't have an arrogance when they do something

986
1:57:24 --> 1:57:31
new. It's kind of like this is something new. Let's try it. That goes back to Ding Xiaoping,

987
1:57:31 --> 1:57:37
you know, when he spoke about how it was going to go. And he said, we'll cross the river by

988
1:57:37 --> 1:57:42
feeding the stones under our feet. It's a famous quote. So they will always do something like that.

989
1:57:42 --> 1:57:48
When they roll out new government policy, they'll sort of put a small version out to the provinces,

990
1:57:48 --> 1:57:53
have them work with it. And this CBDC thing, you're right. And it's not going to be a huge

991
1:57:53 --> 1:58:01
departure from what they're doing now. So yeah, it's a very small portion now. I think the digital

992
1:58:01 --> 1:58:08
yuan is going to be more for international trade, frankly. But they've got a perfectly

993
1:58:08 --> 1:58:12
functional payment system now that everybody seems to be wired into.

994
1:58:14 --> 1:58:21
That's the first thing. The second thing is my understanding is no, that wasn't mRNA technology.

995
1:58:21 --> 1:58:28
They didn't want any of the Western vaccines. That's my understanding. And the first one is

996
1:58:31 --> 1:58:37
the WEF represents everything that the Chinese are against. So if you look at

997
1:58:39 --> 1:58:46
Xi made a speech to them. And if you read between the lines about what Xi said, it was like, yeah,

998
1:58:46 --> 1:58:52
fine. Love all the stuff you're doing. It's not for us. You know, no, we're not going to open

999
1:58:52 --> 1:58:58
our capital markets. No, we're not going to, you know, move to your neoliberal model. No, you're

1000
1:58:58 --> 1:59:03
not having any of your oligarchs coming in influencing policies that are made with the

1001
1:59:03 --> 1:59:09
best interests of the Chinese people. So yeah, well, I mean, Putin showed up. I mean, Jesus,

1002
1:59:09 --> 1:59:12
Jerry, if they invited me, I'd go out of curiosity, wouldn't you?

1003
1:59:15 --> 1:59:20
Oh, that's a great comment. Because I think that's right. I think Putin and Xi Jinping

1004
1:59:20 --> 1:59:27
tolerate the WEF just to seek intelligence. I mean, I suspected there was no strong connection.

1005
1:59:27 --> 1:59:31
They're there just to see what's going on. I may be wrong, but that's my gut feeling.

1006
1:59:33 --> 1:59:37
You know, when I tried to cover it earlier, because I mean, there are still a lot of people

1007
1:59:37 --> 1:59:44
that think it's all a show and China and Russia are part of it. No, it's not. If you understood

1008
1:59:44 --> 1:59:52
the mindset of the Chinese people, the Chinese government, the understanding that's shared by

1009
1:59:52 --> 1:59:59
the Chinese people, what it's about. If you understand the Russians and what they went

1010
1:59:59 --> 2:00:06
through, where, you know, their financial shock, well, the rate of Russia, you know, a friend of

1011
2:00:06 --> 2:00:13
mine, I wasn't there during that period of time during the 90s. But a friend of mine showed me a

1012
2:00:13 --> 2:00:20
book that he bought off this really dignified elderly gentleman sitting on the street in Russia,

1013
2:00:21 --> 2:00:27
selling his last possessions, which was three grubby old books and a pair of slippers.

1014
2:00:28 --> 2:00:32
One of the books he'd written, because he used to be a professor at Moscow State University.

1015
2:00:32 --> 2:00:39
That's how bad it was. That's how badly the country was humiliated. If we talk about China's

1016
2:00:39 --> 2:00:47
century of humiliation, Russia's decade. And if you want a story of woe like that, you can throw a

1017
2:00:48 --> 2:00:52
map and whatever country it lands in, they got a tale of woe like that, where they've been the

1018
2:00:52 --> 2:01:02
victim of empire. And fortunately, that is what's happening now. I am not one of these people that

1019
2:01:02 --> 2:01:11
is all doom and gloom. I've been through that. I've been what you might call conspiracy theorists

1020
2:01:11 --> 2:01:18
since the Kennedy assassination. My old mom, Jerry, an Irish girl, we were sitting there on

1021
2:01:18 --> 2:01:25
a Sunday night watching King Kong in London, and a newsflash came on JFK assassinated Lan

1022
2:01:25 --> 2:01:33
Gumbay. My mom's gone, they killed him. And like that's been pretty much it. You know, and I will

1023
2:01:33 --> 2:01:39
tell you right now that like in the early 2000s, the fall of Russia, China hadn't really emerged

1024
2:01:39 --> 2:01:47
yet. And Francis Fukuyama wrote the book The End of History, the Victory of the Neo-liberal Model.

1025
2:01:47 --> 2:01:56
They had pretty much won. That was the time for gloom. Now, no, now for the first time in forever,

1026
2:01:56 --> 2:02:02
the world is moving in the right direction. You know, this block that's united around Russia and

1027
2:02:02 --> 2:02:09
China is strong, and it's not going back. Napoleon said that there's something stronger than all the

1028
2:02:09 --> 2:02:17
armies in the world. That is an idea whose time has come. This is that time. That's the positive.

1029
2:02:18 --> 2:02:25
You know, we're in for some hard times in the short term. The rest of the world will come out

1030
2:02:25 --> 2:02:32
of it, reemerge and rebuild much faster than most people think possible. Because history's shown us

1031
2:02:32 --> 2:02:39
with the right economic model, it can happen very quickly. The Western world, I despair of.

1032
2:02:40 --> 2:02:46
It's going to be a long march back to get rid of this virus of cultural Marxism that's penetrated

1033
2:02:46 --> 2:02:53
all the institutions and poisoned the minds of kids. And in the Western countries, they've hitched

1034
2:02:53 --> 2:02:59
their wagon to the US financial system and they're going to go down with it. It's going to be a long

1035
2:02:59 --> 2:03:05
climb back because I see no leadership there at all. The real leaders are not in the West anymore

1036
2:03:05 --> 2:03:13
and that's a tragedy. Very good. I mean, that's excellent. You've answered the three questions.

1037
2:03:13 --> 2:03:21
WEF in China, no strong connection. mRNA in China, not used in China. And the last one was CBDC in

1038
2:03:21 --> 2:03:27
China. It's all a massive misinformation program in the West. It doesn't really

1039
2:03:30 --> 2:03:36
carry any significance in China today. They're the three big questions. You've answered them in no time.

1040
2:03:39 --> 2:03:44
Well, the CBDC doesn't make any difference to them. They're using the same payment system anyway.

1041
2:03:44 --> 2:03:50
They're using the payment system that's the same as against the CBD. That's mainly only for

1042
2:03:50 --> 2:03:55
international trade. It's small now, but it won't be. And thank you for your input and your

1043
2:03:57 --> 2:04:03
comments, Jerry. That was great, buddy. Thank you very much. I'm sure we'd have a much more interesting

1044
2:04:03 --> 2:04:10
conversation. Just before I go in, I'll just put my website, my financial website on the chat and

1045
2:04:10 --> 2:04:16
have a look at that. And I will try and contact you. We should talk. Thank you. Well, Charles,

1046
2:04:17 --> 2:04:23
I don't have quite any social media, but Charles is absolutely in liberty to give you my

1047
2:04:25 --> 2:04:29
or anybody here my email should you wish. Okay, very good.

1048
2:04:33 --> 2:04:39
Okay. Thank you, Jerry. Tom, then Janet and then Stephen, and we're finishing in 20 minutes. Go, Tom.

1049
2:04:40 --> 2:04:45
So I just heard this hour long thing with Scott Ritter and I think Garland Nixon from one of the

1050
2:04:45 --> 2:04:52
Russian outlets and they were talking about war games with China and how we just consistently lose

1051
2:04:52 --> 2:04:59
after lose, you know, on and on. But I don't have one question. I'm just going to run a bunch of

1052
2:04:59 --> 2:05:05
ideas across. I'm thinking there's probably some anecdotal stories, people that you know,

1053
2:05:05 --> 2:05:12
you got to know in China. I'd like to hear, you know, a couple of those like formative experiences

1054
2:05:12 --> 2:05:20
and then going over the culture, you know, the, do you read the text? Is it, you know,

1055
2:05:20 --> 2:05:27
it's just so foreign to me and I know so little about China. I would think they don't use a

1056
2:05:27 --> 2:05:34
character based like us in alphabet or do they? Or, you know, I'm just very ignorant.

1057
2:05:35 --> 2:05:43
You know, something about the media and the pop culture there and, you know, sort of like a high

1058
2:05:43 --> 2:05:53
school civics level thing. Like do they have provinces? How do people get involved in

1059
2:05:53 --> 2:06:01
how do people get involved in the government? And then another big shift would be

1060
2:06:02 --> 2:06:10
money creation. It sounds like the government creates money. They decide on big infrastructure

1061
2:06:10 --> 2:06:17
projects. So how does that governance work? It seems like we're very afraid of centralized control

1062
2:06:17 --> 2:06:24
and here in the U.S. right? We vilify that. So how do the people get represented?

1063
2:06:25 --> 2:06:30
You know, if we got rid of the Fed and we set up a similar mechanism here,

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everyone would worry about it becoming corrupted. So those are some ideas and then, you know,

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do they use cash? What's the deal with taxes? And they forgive debts.

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I wouldn't argue with any of that. Give me a couple of simple questions. Otherwise,

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we'll be here until the dawn of the next empire.

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Yeah. Well, okay. How about just the, some of the people that you met,

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like formative relationships when you were there, you know,

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you described some of the characters that you got to know.

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Well, I met Deng Xiaoping in 1980 when I was there with the initial delegation of

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Occidental Petroleum. It was a strange set of circumstances. And I've met many people that

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influenced me. Look, if I go wandering off into the anecdotal, I mean, it's all a little bit

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abstract. Yeah, they use cash, but more and more everybody's using the electronic payments.

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And I've been in China for four years now. I'm still running my business there,

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but I haven't had to go. Four years ago, I never had cash in my pocket for 10 days.

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One of my colleagues was me, everything was on the phone. I'm sure it's, you know,

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that's stepped up now. But I mean, look, I appreciate all your questions. And I mean,

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it honestly, I wouldn't know where to start answering those sort of things.

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It's centralized control. No, people don't like it in America, but you've got it.

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You know, I mean, that's always been about the power of the federal government.

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It's always the lone patriots in America. So, yeah, well, yeah, what China had to do

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in one hundred years project, there's no other way they could possibly have done it,

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but the way they did it. And that's an absolute fact. And they're not wedded to communism and

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ideology. It's just about practicality. I mean, they're teaching schools over there.

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At the time, communism was what China needed. You know, in a hundred years, we'll need another

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system and we'll move to that. That's it. They're not ideologically linked to it.

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Deng Xiaoping, when he started moving to market reforms and there was criticism because it was

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contrary to the Marxist model, he said, white cat, black cat, as long as it catches mice,

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it's the right cat. So it's a very pragmatic approach. It doesn't lend itself to any ideology.

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But talk on journeys through China and anecdotes and things, I wouldn't even know

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where to begin condensing those down. I'm sorry to disappoint you.

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Good question.

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Thanks.

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Thanks, Tom. Thanks. Thanks, Janet. Then Stephen.

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Yeah, you mentioned the Uyghurs. I mean, we've been led to believe that they've been

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herded into camps for reprogramming. I mean, what is actually the truth of the matter with

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regard to it? Lies, lies. He's been saying lies.

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Yeah, well, let's bear in mind who's bringing you all this concern. Who's actually talking this up?

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Coming from the American Empire. Now, I don't have any doubt that Muslims all over the world

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are heart-warmed. The American Empire is no concern for their well-being. I'm sure they're

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blowing trumpets from Guantanamo Bay to Abu Ghraib. No. China gets on with all of its Muslim

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neighbors. Look at the relationship it has with Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria,

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the Arab League. If China was abusing Muslims, do you think that would be happening? I'm afraid

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that is just more propaganda. That's the narrative. And they've even given up on that because

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it's been so disproved. You know, China's been under assault from America since 1950.

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That's the truth of it. From that region there to trying to provoke them over Taiwan to the

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South China Sea to Tibet, everything is about attacking and trying to destabilize China,

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including the attempted color revolution in Tiananmen Square in 1989. Everything that you

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have been told in the West is a lie. That's the truth. So, the answer to the question

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is no, there is no persecution of minorities in China. And what did you say about Tiananmen Square?

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Tiananmen Square was an attempt by George Soros at a color revolution in China. George Soros

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has never been allowed back in and the Chinese collaborators with him were arrested. So, that was

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an early version or an early attempt at a color revolution. I was actually in Beijing at the time.

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And it was nothing like what was reported.

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Eamon, can you explain what a color revolution is to the audience?

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Well, we saw an attempt. I think most of you must know, but I mean, George Soros has been back in

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them. I mean, Maidan Square in 2014 was a color revolution by George Soros and the Neocons. There

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was an attempt at another one in Hong Kong, let's say a couple of years ago. This is what they do.

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They regime change programs. Very good. All right, everybody. Before we go, Stephen,

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Eamon started talking with us some two hours ago. And he said, this is complex. China is complex.

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If you've been there for 20, 30 years, you wouldn't know where to start to explain it. And one of my

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favorite sayings, I believe, is a Chinese saying that says to be uncertain can be uncomfortable.

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And if you want a certain answer, there are uncertainties. To be uncertain can be uncomfortable.

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However, to be certain is ridiculous. So, contemplate that, everybody. Looking for

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certainty in the chess games that are going on on this planet is ridiculous. All right, Stephen,

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over to you. And then the last 10 minutes and any chat. Save the chats, everybody. Eamon,

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I'll send the chat to you and introduce Jerry to anyone else who wants to. Stephen?

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Yeah. Thank you, Eamon, for answering these questions in the middle of your night.

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I just wanted to ask you about what are described as atrocities,

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as far as I know, anyway. So the Great March of Mao, Mao Zedong, then the Great Leap Forward,

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and then the Great Cultural Revolution. So the Great Leap Forward, I think, was 1948 to 1952.

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The Great Cultural Revolution was 1968 to 1976 when Mao Zedong died. Is that right? And then

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the Great March was in 1949, I think, or was it 1948?

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Yeah, this is during the Chinese Civil War. And again, I mean, it's

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there's very, very little known about it. I mean, so let me give you a parallel.

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The point I wanted to raise, Eamon, is this. It's alleged that all three of these events in China

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caused massive, a huge number of deaths. I think the Great Leap Forward, it's alleged that

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15 to 55 million, so that's the best they can do, 15 to 55 million people died. And what I've read

1140
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about it, I don't know whether it's true, but it was about the crops. And they continued every year

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after the first year, they carried on making the same mistakes. I don't know,

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but I don't know whether you. Let me first. And also I want to ask,

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what's in Chinese schools about those events now?

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Well, there's a narrative about it, which is talk, but I'll give you the

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deepest talk. Firstly, understand something.

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Okay, the American Civil War. They say there's been about 20,000 books written on the American

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Civil War. So if you want to understand the American Civil War, you can read about it from

1148
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so many different angles and get to understand it and all the contextual issues that don't

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find their way into the narrative. How many of those do you think were written in Chinese?

1150
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You mean the American? Yeah, how many books on the American Civil War do you think have been

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written on Chinese? Very few, I should think. Very few, and I'll probably follow the original

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narrative. And I'll use that as an example. So unless you read the original Chinese of what's

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going on, you don't really understand. And the books that, I mean, well, they write about it

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afterwards. So yes, there's ambiguity about the American Civil War. There's ambiguity. Of course,

1155
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there's ambiguity and uncertainty. We're all very uncomfortable with ambiguity, generally speaking.

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We want certainty in our lives. And that's why the existentialists view, you know, the maximum

1157
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existence precedes essence. That's got me interjecting here. Thank you for listening to me.

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Yeah, Lou, I've got to tell you, the American Civil War has been a fascination with me since

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I was a kid. So I agree. But my point being is that it's not properly understood in the West.

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So yes, the Long March was part of the war. It was an amazing human achievement. Many died. It

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was dreadful. The great leap forward was about collectivism. Collectivism doesn't work.

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Collective farming doesn't work because it disincentivizes people. Now,

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in the initial days where they had the collective farming and a number of other things,

1164
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it didn't work very well. The production was way, way down. But they carried on with it, right?

1165
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Turns out that isn't exactly what happened. The production was, in fact, way up. People had less

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because, and this is the truth of it, was because Mao was taking the grain surplus and sending it

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to Russia for their help in developing a nuclear program. So they knew that collective farming was

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making the people unhappy. But it wasn't because it wasn't working. It's because they were taking

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all the surplus. OK? So the blame for the shortages goes on the collective farming policies,

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whereas in fact that wasn't true. There was plenty of food. It was just going elsewhere.

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The Cultural Revolution was really in the-

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Sorry. Why wasn't the blame directed to the government which had formed those policies?

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Well, it was, Stephen. I mean, at the time, there was a narrative. Nobody knew what was going on.

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You know, people were isolated. They weren't moving around. So you only got what you knew from the

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people that you were surrounded by in the official narrative. So it was a different time.

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The Cultural Revolution was essentially promoted by some of the hardliners like Jin Chang, who was

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widely hated, who was Mao's fourth wife, complete psychopath. And it was very much like the kind

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of hysteria that you see now with these LBTG kids. All right? It's an ideology. Nobody's ever

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ideologically pure enough for them. And there were complete atrocities committed.

1180
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It was their sort of last ditch effort to save a failing system by rewriting and going back to

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year zero. I was there. I got there the day Mao died, September the 9th, 1990.

1182
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Nobody was sorry to see him go. At the time, there was a power vacuum and it was taken over by what

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they called the Gang of Four, which included Jin Chang, Mao's ex-wife, and three or four other

1184
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hardliners. And that was the case. And then in the end of October, so I'd been there about

1185
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six weeks, they all got arrested and thrown in jail. And the whole country celebrated.

1186
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So communism died then. It more or less died with Mao. Okay? And people talk about communist China.

1187
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They use it as a slur to try and scare you. It's not really that anymore. The Chinese people have

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an affection for it because it was that freedom from the century of humiliation and imperialism.

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But they'll be moving on to a different system. They're not ideologically Marxist.

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Yeah. So, Eamon, and what, so I think we discussed it when we talked. So we've got these trojan

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horses for what we see as a descent into totalitarianism. Is what exists in China

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now totalitarianism or not? Because you described the people, I don't know whether they worship the

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state, but they certainly like the state. No, they accept the state. Okay. I thought you said that

1194
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they were grateful to the state's foot. No, they understand. If you take a rationale,

1195
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and people look at it in the context of what's happened in the last 40 years, they all appreciate

1196
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that. They're all proud of the new China, or it's glistening new cities and high speed rail. And

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of course, because for 100 years, they were ashamed to be like Chinese. They were ashamed to be Chinese.

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They were treated like crap. They've got their sense of national pride back,

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but there's nothing dangerous or wrong about that.

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But there was something dangerous or wrong about what appeared to be happening in China with the

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zero COVID policy and the lockdowns. Yeah, there's aspects of that that I still can't explain,

1202
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Stephen. There's still a lot of questions to be answered there. They went overboard,

1203
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but most of the Chinese would agree. I can only assume that they were concerned about something

1204
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more serious. So they believed that there was a disease called COVID-19?

1205
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I don't know. To be honest with you, we can only look at one reaction.

1206
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So what I'm trying to get at, so in China now, is the regime supported by what we would regard

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as propaganda and censorship? I mean, obviously, we've got the same problem in the Western world

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now, and maybe you've had it for some time, but not so well.

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Well, firstly, if you read the China Daily or something, there's areas they can't go into.

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So is there censorship? Yeah. But the government doesn't...

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I don't see where the government actually lies. That's important to them, credibility. So they're

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inclined to put a happy spin on things. Let me put it like that. But the Chinese people,

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and I mean, you've got to understand that, they have this very healthy cynicism about government,

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which is, I think, the sign of a healthy society. Well, they wouldn't change their system

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for anything else. Their democracy, their voice, their local issues have dealt with a local area.

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And, you know, trust me, when the Chinese get pissed off about something,

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they make the right people know about it. And if they got a reasonable case, they listen to it.

1218
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I wish we had that in the West. But Eamon, how would we know about the

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possible dissidents who don't agree with what's going on and who have to sacrifice their lives

1220
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for the collective good? This is what we don't like about what's happening in the West, you see.

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So that's why I'm asking. I don't know that this isn't happening everywhere. I don't know really

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about dissidents. They're usually people that get caught in corruption. There's a lot of

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Chinese that leave China for whatever reason, and then they turn against it. And I'm not trying to

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glorify China. My whole point here is to try and understand their mindset about what they're

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combating and to make the point that China isn't the problem in the world. China's a solution.

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You know, that may be the case. Even if any of these things.

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Yeah. So what I'm worried about is that the perception of what's going on in China is used

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by the people we're opposed to. Like the whole con- you know, oh well,

1229
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I think you know what I mean. Yeah, no, I do. I mean, look, all I'm trying to do is count

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the narrative that you get there. And I mean, look, I remember it was last New Year's Eve and I was

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talking, I was round a friend's house and I was talking to this delightful Australian guy, 40s.

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Seemed like a complete red pillar. You know, talking about the government and New World Order

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and COVID and everything. Yeah, great. And then at the end of it, he said, but we got to do something

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about Chinese aggression. And I'm like, okay, give me an example of Chinese aggression. Give me

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an example of where China has invaded any other country in the last 5000 years.

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Yes, exactly. There is not one example. Not one example. That is the narrative. So the point I'm

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trying to say here is that, you know, all of us are duly skeptical about things that we hear,

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but there is this ambient propaganda that's relentless and it's always there against China,

1239
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against Russia. Okay, that's the narrative. So, you know, people talk about Chinese aggression

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and usually they will come down to Taiwan. Aggression, what we've seen is 72 years of

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unbelievable restraint in the face of relentless American provocations against Taiwan. China is not

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going to attack Taiwan. The right people in China and Taiwan are talking to each other. It's not

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going to happen. And the will of Chinese people overwhelmingly, okay, is pro-China.

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And what you said about China just now, Eamon, isn't that true of Russia as well? Because as far

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as I understand it, Eastern Europe was handed to the USSR as part of the agreement. I don't know,

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reward for getting to Berlin first. But I don't see much evidence of USSR and Russia being

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expansive since 1945. Do you? No, I mean, that whole Cold War period is very widely understood.

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And you're seeing now a lot of people like Cold War 2.0. Well, firstly, the Cold War wasn't cold

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and it never finished. And there were opportunities for peace many times during that

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and it wasn't wanted and it was scoupled by the deep state. So that whole period needs to be

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better understood. Yes, so some people are thinking about it and who continually something.

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But during that period, let me explain, we had the Korean War, we had the Vietnam War,

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we had the Russian-Afghan War and we had all kinds of low-level conflicts going on.

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We had the anti-imperial forces against the empire. That was happening from 1945 to this day in Africa,

1255
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Latin America, parts of Asia. But it's still going on. Everybody, and I have to say this is true

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about the Europeans, they just need to move on. They've all got historical animosities about

1257
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previous transgressions. The Poles and Ukrainians, it hasn't seen occurred to them yet.

1258
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Stalin is dead. Yes, he was an asshole. There was a lot of them about at the time.

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Putin is not Stalin. Move on. It's a new world. But Eastern Europeans, I swear to God,

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they have animosities that go back centuries and they can't let go.

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Yeah. No, Putin's Russia has been a force for good in this world and it gets on with everybody.

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It's the way it treats other countries and so has China's. I mean, they had the president of the

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Solomon Islands visit in Beijing. He got exactly the same VIP red carpet treatment that the president

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of the United States would get. Bad example. Bad example. All right. They treat countries with

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dignity. They don't turn around and talk down to them. And that's what you're hearing from

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Latin America. That's what you're hearing from Africa. This is the tide of history that is turning.

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But also, we are living through a time where we are witnessing for the first time in human history,

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the end of empires.

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All empires, you mean?

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All empires. Once this Anglo-American empire and its evil is vanquished from this world,

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and it will be, OK, we will see a different world where there won't be an anti-Egymon.

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So do you think that the Cold War was a construct just as the war on terror was a construct?

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And maybe the war on the world was a construct.

1274
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Absolutely.

1275
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So the demon, which is China, is also a construct. It just happens to fit in with an outside enemy.

1276
2:31:01 --> 2:31:09
Yeah. Well, if you understand the people who love war and why, you'll understand why we always had

1277
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them. If you followed the trajectory of the Cold War, there were so many opportunities.

1278
2:31:15 --> 2:31:19
And I think that's what we're hearing from the people who are watching this.

1279
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If you followed the trajectory of the Cold War, there were so many opportunities for peace.

1280
2:31:25 --> 2:31:32
Peace was never the objective. Russia, I'm not saying it was great at the time,

1281
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but I'm saying that Russia was the enemy that they needed.

1282
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Was the...

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In 1990, when the Soviet Union fell, it then eliminated the only credible enemy that the West

1284
2:31:48 --> 2:31:54
had. NATO should have disbanded. The military industrial complex should have scaled back

1285
2:31:55 --> 2:32:03
considerably. So whereas the financial arm of the banker industrial complex was making hay in Russia,

1286
2:32:03 --> 2:32:10
okay, the military side of it was pouting. Then we have 9-11. Now we've got a new enemy,

1287
2:32:10 --> 2:32:12
an invisible enemy. Exactly.

1288
2:32:12 --> 2:32:17
An abstract. Which by the way, Eamon, justified all the security measures in the air ports.

1289
2:32:17 --> 2:32:20
Do you mind taking off your shoes, sir, and all this nonsense?

1290
2:32:21 --> 2:32:23
All right. We're going to go.

1291
2:32:23 --> 2:32:32
We learned helplessness. Yeah. Listen, I was an early member of scholars for 9-11 truth. I was

1292
2:32:32 --> 2:32:39
there at the time. I was in Cleveland on 9-11. You could see it was bullshit from the minute.

1293
2:32:40 --> 2:32:47
So yeah, that was all part of it. The reason we don't have any peace is the people in power

1294
2:32:47 --> 2:32:49
don't want peace because it doesn't serve their interests.

1295
2:32:51 --> 2:32:56
But the ridiculous part about the war on terror was that it should have been the war on terrorism.

1296
2:32:56 --> 2:33:01
But even then you could argue that war is only against the state, not against the technique. So

1297
2:33:01 --> 2:33:05
the whole thing was just nonsense. And people went along with it and thought it was a good idea that

1298
2:33:05 --> 2:33:11
we have to sit and stand for two or three hours in security in airports when I'd rather take my

1299
2:33:11 --> 2:33:16
chance with the terrorists. And by the way, where are the terrorists now? The hijackers?

1300
2:33:16 --> 2:33:19
They've disappeared. Are they trying to suggest that?

1301
2:33:19 --> 2:33:22
All right. Come on. Come on. Come on. We're finishing.

1302
2:33:23 --> 2:33:29
Okay. Amon, we're over two and a half hours. You're wonderful. Congratulations on your great

1303
2:33:30 --> 2:33:36
scholarship studying. Alex, thank you for introducing Amon to Stephen so that

1304
2:33:36 --> 2:33:42
Amon could be with us. Thank you for all of the resources in the chats. Stephen,

1305
2:33:42 --> 2:33:48
thank you for organizing Amon. And we're going to call you in 20 minutes to make sure you're

1306
2:33:48 --> 2:33:55
still awake, Amon, so you haven't gone to bed. Well, bless you, Charles. You're a good,

1307
2:33:55 --> 2:33:59
young man you are. Yeah, very cool. We love Charles.

1308
2:34:00 --> 2:34:07
For he's a jolly good fellow. For he's a jolly good fellow. For he's a jolly good fellow.

1309
2:34:08 --> 2:34:11
Would you know what he can do? Especially not here.

1310
2:34:11 --> 2:34:15
Thank you. Great singing. Great singing. All right, everybody. A round of applause.

1311
2:34:15 --> 2:34:20
A round of applause. A man wants to say something. Yes, go ahead.

1312
2:34:21 --> 2:34:27
Could I just wrap up here? It's not exactly a plug, but I want to explain.

1313
2:34:27 --> 2:34:33
We need to wrap you up like a mummy. We need to wrap you up like a mummy, Stephen. Come on.

1314
2:34:34 --> 2:34:42
Amon. I'm a member of another group here on Koh Samui in Thailand called Samui Real.

1315
2:34:42 --> 2:34:50
It's a community truth group. I stumbled across it about 18 months ago. For most of my life,

1316
2:34:52 --> 2:34:57
it was the journey of the lonely truth where nobody wanted to listen to what was going on.

1317
2:34:59 --> 2:35:04
And you end up living this parallel life. Let him speak, Lou, please.

1318
2:35:05 --> 2:35:11
Lou, yeah, if you don't mind. I get introduced to this group who met during COVID.

1319
2:35:12 --> 2:35:18
Now we meet every Wednesday. There's 60, 70 people there. We always have a talk.

1320
2:35:19 --> 2:35:24
Alex is a friend of the group. He's done three magnificent talks followed by a Q&A.

1321
2:35:25 --> 2:35:33
What I'm involved in now is community, developing these community groups because there's a template

1322
2:35:33 --> 2:35:40
to how you go about developing these. And they're so important. Seeing so many people come

1323
2:35:40 --> 2:35:45
through there over the last couple of years, we really begin to understand this awakening process.

1324
2:35:47 --> 2:35:55
If you go back to the days of the Roman Empire, there was some foreign dignity visiting Rome and

1325
2:35:55 --> 2:36:02
I think it was Tacitus or Sano or somebody was showing them around Rome. And the dignity said,

1326
2:36:02 --> 2:36:08
how do you know which ones are the slaves? And they said, well, you don't. They just mingle with

1327
2:36:08 --> 2:36:12
everybody else. And the guy freaked out. He said, well, you should make them wear like a

1328
2:36:13 --> 2:36:19
yellow stole or a band so you know they're slaves. And he said, are you crazy? If they see how many

1329
2:36:19 --> 2:36:25
of them are, they'll kill us all. It actually happened a few times in Rome. What everybody

1330
2:36:25 --> 2:36:30
needs to understand with this awakening process is we are not alone. There was much more of us

1331
2:36:30 --> 2:36:38
than we know. Look how many we are. Everybody needs to see that. And so many of these people

1332
2:36:38 --> 2:36:42
that have come and come to these meetings for the first time and gone, I thought I was the crazy one

1333
2:36:42 --> 2:36:48
because I'm trying to talk to my friends and family about COVID, about everything I found out. And

1334
2:36:48 --> 2:36:55
everybody's saying I'm crazy. Well, it turns out I'm not the crazy one. So community is so important.

1335
2:36:55 --> 2:37:01
So that's what I'm doing most of my time. I'd like to share some of the stuff that we've been

1336
2:37:01 --> 2:37:09
doing on our group. So we have in person meetings, but also Zoom. So I did a talk last week and

1337
2:37:12 --> 2:37:19
we're joined by Zoom from people from Argentina to Japan to Australia. So that's another group.

1338
2:37:19 --> 2:37:28
We're about the same pursuit exactly as you guys are. And to go back to Amy, there is a very strong

1339
2:37:29 --> 2:37:35
spiritual content and feeling and energy about the group. So I'll share that with

1340
2:37:37 --> 2:37:43
Stephen and Charles and we'll see if there's any synergy there. But listen, it's my distinct pleasure

1341
2:37:44 --> 2:37:51
to join you here today. And I'm very grateful to Alex for the introduction. Stephen, Charles,

1342
2:37:51 --> 2:37:56
what you guys are doing is making a difference. So thank you so much, all of you.

1343
2:37:58 --> 2:38:03
Well, thank you, Amy. We'll happily share that information. And as Meredith Miller, one of the

1344
2:38:03 --> 2:38:09
presenters here, Amy shared with us and others who weren't at that talk, and I've been quoting

1345
2:38:09 --> 2:38:15
it in a number of other meetings that I moderate, connection is the resistance. So

1346
2:38:17 --> 2:38:21
I think it's a great slogan and you're doing it and Stephen's doing it, we're doing it here.

1347
2:38:22 --> 2:38:27
Connection is the resistance. So it's a great idea. With that, we want to

1348
2:38:28 --> 2:38:35
get together and having shared experiences. That is absolutely, they do not want us to see how many

1349
2:38:35 --> 2:38:42
of us there are. That should be our focus. If everybody understands that, no, you're not crazy,

1350
2:38:42 --> 2:38:50
all right. And when you talk about waking people up, trying to engage them on any particular

1351
2:38:50 --> 2:38:56
subject is fruitless in my experience. You have to start by getting them confirmed that, look,

1352
2:38:56 --> 2:39:00
do you believe the narrative? Do you believe what you're being told? Do you believe the government?

1353
2:39:00 --> 2:39:07
Do you believe the media? Anybody with a modicum of intelligence will say no, well, that's fine,

1354
2:39:07 --> 2:39:15
but we're on the same side. We both recognize the same lie. And we're both on a search for our own

1355
2:39:15 --> 2:39:23
truths. And again, I completely applaud what you're doing. In fact, Charles, I'll have to get you

1356
2:39:23 --> 2:39:31
on as a guest to one of our Wednesday meetings. You will feel the energy. Yeah, okay.

1357
2:39:31 --> 2:39:33
Charles Larkin Pleasure. All right, everybody.

1358
2:39:33 --> 2:39:34
Charles Larkin Thank you very much.

1359
2:39:34 --> 2:39:36
Charles Larkin We'll also talk about industrial head for Thailand,

1360
2:39:36 --> 2:39:41
which is a big opportunity. Okay, thank you. And for those of you who have the time,

1361
2:39:41 --> 2:39:46
Tom Rodman has put the link into the video telegram conversation that will now continue.

1362
2:39:47 --> 2:39:53
Eamonn, if you have time on that, if you save the chat, you go there, but I'm not suggesting you do.

1363
2:39:53 --> 2:39:57
But there is a subsequent conversation and the link is there. Thank you, everyone, for being here.

1364
2:39:57 --> 2:40:02
Thank you, Eamonn. Eamonn Where do I find the link? I'm fine. I'm up now. I'll put some more

1365
2:40:02 --> 2:40:07
coffee on. Where do I find the link, Charles? Charles Larkin Tom, could you, it's in the chat,

1366
2:40:07 --> 2:40:11
Eamonn. Tom, could you just make it easy for Eamonn to get onto the...

1367
2:40:11 --> 2:40:18
Eamonn Yeah, telegram is not necessarily easy.

1368
2:40:18 --> 2:40:21
Charles Larkin I got it. Okay.

1369
2:40:21 --> 2:40:26
Eamonn The link is there. Yeah, you have to set up a telegram account. Okay.

1370
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Which, and you don't have a smartphone, so I apologize for that.

1371
2:40:30 --> 2:40:32
Charles Larkin No, I didn't. I'm already using it.

1372
2:40:32 --> 2:40:34
Eamonn Oh, you do. Okay.

1373
2:40:34 --> 2:40:39
Charles Larkin Beautiful. All right. Well done. Thank you, everybody.

1374
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On we go and we'll be in touch and we will get the chat to you. Eamonn knows how to save the chat.

1375
2:40:46 --> 2:40:49
On we go. Thanks, everybody. Eamonn Okay. Eamonn, thank you so much.

1376
2:40:49 --> 2:40:53
Eamonn Thank you, everybody. Thank you. My pleasure.

1377
2:40:53 --> 2:41:00
Charles Larkin Thanks. Bye-bye.