1 0:00:00 --> 0:00:09 So hello everybody. Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and today's 2 0:00:09 --> 0:00:20 discussion. This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost over almost four years ago. 3 0:00:20 --> 0:00:26 With a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health, Stephen has stood up against 4 0:00:26 --> 0:00:29 government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical 5 0:00:29 --> 0:00:36 specialty is radiology. At this time we remember Ryan Ofulmik, German and US lawyer who's currently 6 0:00:36 --> 0:00:44 unlawfully incarcerated by the German government undergoing a show trial in Germany. I will put 7 0:00:44 --> 0:00:51 his latest transcript of his statement into the chat the link so thank you Dagmar. Both a video 8 0:00:51 --> 0:00:57 but an English statement that will bring you all up to speed with what's happening to him. There 9 0:00:57 --> 0:01:04 was a demonstration on November the 30th in Geneva and we call on the German government to 10 0:01:04 --> 0:01:11 immediately release Reiner from prison and it's still an outrage that he's being transported from 11 0:01:11 --> 0:01:19 jail to court shackled on a civil matter. We also remember the late Anna de Bussere, 12 0:01:20 --> 0:01:25 also a great contributor to this group who died on the 30th of November. Ironic that 13 0:01:25 --> 0:01:33 Reiner's demonstration and Anna died on the same day the 30th of November. I'm Charles Kovest, 14 0:01:33 --> 0:01:38 the moderator of this group. I'm Australasian passion provocateur and we love passionate 15 0:01:38 --> 0:01:44 people in these meetings. I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago and 16 0:01:44 --> 0:01:48 over the last 14 years I helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage 17 0:01:48 --> 0:01:57 and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company. We comprise 18 0:01:57 --> 0:02:02 lots of professions here and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were 19 0:02:02 --> 0:02:09 okay now many of us proudly say and that includes me that we are passionate anti-vaxxers and I say 20 0:02:09 --> 0:02:17 again you go to the website inform-me.org an Australian educative website that will enable 21 0:02:17 --> 0:02:25 you to share the news of the fraud that is that is childhood vaccines. No vaccine has ever been 22 0:02:25 --> 0:02:31 properly tested for safety or efficacy ever in the history of mankind. If this is your first time 23 0:02:31 --> 0:02:36 here welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish 24 0:02:36 --> 0:02:43 a newsletter or podcast put the links into the chat and we can follow you promote you and find 25 0:02:43 --> 0:02:49 you. I make the observation there are comments put on the recording of these meetings by people 26 0:02:49 --> 0:02:57 who say that that certain people are idiots for saying what they do. Now we love comments on the 27 0:02:57 --> 0:03:05 recordings on the other hand abusive comments in on the recording on the rumble website will be 28 0:03:05 --> 0:03:11 removed if you don't publish your name. So if you're going under a fake name and indeed that's 29 0:03:11 --> 0:03:16 something we might talk about on social media the reason why social media becomes so devastating 30 0:03:16 --> 0:03:22 for people is because people don't use their proper names. I use my proper name this is me 31 0:03:22 --> 0:03:27 and if you're putting comments in the recording without your proper name it will be removed if 32 0:03:27 --> 0:03:33 it's derogatory. If you're sharing an idea terrific it won't be removed. Most of us understand we're 33 0:03:33 --> 0:03:38 in middle of world war three and the medical science battle on the principles of medicine and 34 0:03:38 --> 0:03:47 science is only one of 12 battle fronts. The attacks that have been made on doctors like 35 0:03:47 --> 0:03:54 Jerry Warders and like our guest today Miley Trinh is also part of this world war. There's no 36 0:03:54 --> 0:03:59 time to be tired we're four and a half years into a seven year war so look after your health and be 37 0:03:59 --> 0:04:06 up for the fight for the next two and a half years. The meeting runs for two and a half hours after 38 0:04:06 --> 0:04:10 which for those with the time Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts the links into 39 0:04:10 --> 0:04:15 the chat if you're able to join. We'll listen to our guest presenter today Dr Miley Trinh for as 40 0:04:15 --> 0:04:21 long as Miley wishes to speak and then we have Q&A. Stephen Frost by long established tradition asks 41 0:04:21 --> 0:04:29 the first questions for 15 minutes. This is a free speech environment. If you're offended by anything 42 0:04:29 --> 0:04:33 by the way free speech doesn't mean we don't allow ad hominem attacks. I don't I'm the moderator I 43 0:04:33 --> 0:04:38 don't allow ad hominem attacks in other words you can say I disagree with what someone says 44 0:04:38 --> 0:04:46 but you can't say that that Tom or Stephen is an idiot or that he's whatever so you understand what 45 0:04:46 --> 0:04:53 an ad hominem you don't attack the person attack the ideas. If you're offended by anything be 46 0:04:53 --> 0:04:59 offended we're lovingly not interested we reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say 47 0:04:59 --> 0:05:05 anything that may offend another and the attacks are going on I mean people sex sex offenders 48 0:05:05 --> 0:05:10 being removed from jail to put into jail in the UK people who say something that might be offensive 49 0:05:11 --> 0:05:16 it's outrageous we reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say anything that may 50 0:05:16 --> 0:05:21 offend another we also reject the triggering industry however we come with an attitude and 51 0:05:21 --> 0:05:28 perspective of love not fear. Fear is the opposite of love fear squashes and enslaves you love 52 0:05:28 --> 0:05:34 expands you liberates you. These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests an extraordinary 53 0:05:34 --> 0:05:38 range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by attendees 54 0:05:39 --> 0:05:43 in these meetings. If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will help 55 0:05:43 --> 0:05:48 people put the details in the chat the meeting is recorded and is uploaded on the Rumble channel 56 0:05:48 --> 0:05:53 and they're welcome to our guest presenter Dr Mai Li Trinh we thank you Mai Li for giving us your 57 0:05:53 --> 0:06:00 time we thank Dr Ahmad Malik one of our group for organizing Mai Li to speak to us and for the 58 0:06:00 --> 0:06:10 purposes of the recording I wish to give a little bit of background on Mai Li and her topic is a 59 0:06:10 --> 0:06:21 doctor's fight against systemic injustice. Mai Li's life story is one of triumph over adversity 60 0:06:21 --> 0:06:27 escaping the horrors of the Khmer Rouge regime at the age of five. She endured the devastating 61 0:06:27 --> 0:06:33 loss of a mother who was killed by the Cambodian regime sent to live with her aunt in Vietnam. She 62 0:06:33 --> 0:06:37 spent several years under communist rule before making a daring escape as a boat refugee. 63 0:06:38 --> 0:06:41 At the age of 12 she arrived in Australia determined to build a new life. 64 0:06:42 --> 0:06:49 Despite the challenges of adapting to a new country, language and culture Mai Li excelled 65 0:06:49 --> 0:06:53 academically graduating third in her high school class. Her hard work and resilience earned her a 66 0:06:53 --> 0:06:59 place at the University of Sydney where she pursued medicine. The career she envisioned as a way to 67 0:06:59 --> 0:07:05 serve her community and honor her mother's legacy. For 27 years Mai Li was a highly regarded GP in 68 0:07:05 --> 0:07:11 Sydney. She cared for her patients while also volunteering her medical expertise in rural Cambodia 69 0:07:12 --> 0:07:18 offering free care to underserved communities. Her career remained exemplary until September 70 0:07:18 --> 0:07:23 2021 when two complaints were filed against her on the same day through the Australian Health 71 0:07:24 --> 0:07:31 Practitioners Regulatory Agency portal, ARPRA, marking the beginning of an extraordinary and 72 0:07:31 --> 0:07:39 unjust ordeal. Fake allegations were made against her. She was indefinitely suspended. 73 0:07:39 --> 0:07:46 Like Jerry Waters we've heard about on these calls she was suspended indefinitely under emergency 74 0:07:46 --> 0:07:52 powers meant only for genuine crises. While Mai Li does not know if her indefinite suspension was 75 0:07:52 --> 0:07:59 orchestrated she believes she the rushed inquiry raises serious questions about the process after 76 0:07:59 --> 0:08:07 her suspension. Mai Li was referred for investigation. Internal documents suggest the outcome of this 77 0:08:07 --> 0:08:12 internal documents suggest the outcome of this investigation had been predetermined raising 78 0:08:12 --> 0:08:19 doubts about the fairness. So a judicial review has taken place. She's in a fight for justice. 79 0:08:20 --> 0:08:26 She has brought a case to the Court of Appeal and it's cost her hundreds of thousands of dollars 80 0:08:27 --> 0:08:34 and her fight goes on. Her ordeal is not just her story it's a cautionary tale about systemic 81 0:08:34 --> 0:08:39 flaws in the regulatory and judicial systems that we've heard much about here. Her case 82 0:08:39 --> 0:08:44 raises critical questions. Can anonymous unverifiable complaints dictate the fate of 83 0:08:44 --> 0:08:49 professionals? What safeguards exist to ensure fairness in disciplinary actions? 84 0:08:50 --> 0:08:55 And despite the immense personal and professional toll Mai Li Trinh remains steadfast in her fight. 85 0:08:56 --> 0:09:01 Her courage and determination serve as a call for reform challenging a system that 86 0:09:01 --> 0:09:08 oritizes bureaucracy over justice. And her story we will hear today is a reminder of the importance 87 0:09:08 --> 0:09:15 of standing firm in the face of adversity and fighting for what we fight for on this call which 88 0:09:15 --> 0:09:24 is truth, justice, fairness, ethics, proper application of law and proper health. So Mai Li 89 0:09:24 --> 0:09:28 thank you for being here again. Armand Mai Li thank you for organizing Mai Li and thank you 90 0:09:28 --> 0:09:33 Stephen Frost for creating this group and for organizing Mai Li to be with us today. Mai Li 91 0:09:33 --> 0:09:38 we are in your hands. Welcome and commiserations on the crap you've gone through and a number of 92 0:09:38 --> 0:09:43 people Jerry Waters hit like gone through similar crap to you. I'm sure we'll be able to compare 93 0:09:43 --> 0:09:47 notes and see what we can do about that. Please share your thoughts with us and then we look 94 0:09:47 --> 0:09:54 forward to a discussion with you. Good morning Charles and everyone thank you for having me. 95 0:09:55 --> 0:10:01 That was an incredible introduction. I think that you've covered everything I don't need to say 96 0:10:01 --> 0:10:14 anything. Can you hear me well? Yes very clear. I will close a bit. Yes okay so yes I essentially 97 0:10:15 --> 0:10:23 was targeted. I felt that I was set up not just by the people who made the complaints against me 98 0:10:24 --> 0:10:32 but the health regulatory body, the insurance company who sent lawyers to deliberately 99 0:10:34 --> 0:10:46 cause me to cause my demise and over and over they have done everything to stop me. In fact 100 0:10:46 --> 0:10:51 even the recent just a few months ago same thing happened again. 101 0:10:52 --> 0:10:58 So just going back to the beginning how this all got started. 102 0:11:01 --> 0:11:09 When the pandemic came I wasn't really practicing at the time. I took a bit of time off trying to 103 0:11:09 --> 0:11:16 find out and research what was happening because I wanted to know whether the virus was as deadly 104 0:11:16 --> 0:11:25 as they said it to be and whether there's any treatment available. When either Macdon came 105 0:11:25 --> 0:11:34 along I was very excited because I knew this was going to be able to treat a lot of people. So I 106 0:11:34 --> 0:11:43 immediately got back to work and I like to offer the service to the sick but in Australia like 107 0:11:43 --> 0:11:50 other parts of the world the management of COVID vaccines infection is to stay at home, do nothing, 108 0:11:50 --> 0:11:59 wait till you turn blue and go to the hospital. So that was the health directive that was given 109 0:11:59 --> 0:12:07 to the public and to doctors. I mean a lot of us who wanted to help couldn't get patients because 110 0:12:07 --> 0:12:17 patients the minute they have the infection they were forced to stay in the house in lockdown and 111 0:12:17 --> 0:12:27 a lot of them panicked and didn't know what to do. So I was very excited to be able to do this. 112 0:12:29 --> 0:12:38 Somehow another one of well one a colleague of mine had well she knew someone who was sick 113 0:12:38 --> 0:12:47 and asked me whether I could help this lady who's not really that sick and who just needed a bit of 114 0:12:48 --> 0:12:57 directions as how to manage her condition. So I was in touch with her children and 115 0:12:59 --> 0:13:08 this lady is essentially a 51 year old lady who was admitted to hospital for 116 0:13:09 --> 0:13:18 a question mark a unit-tracking infection and during the course of her stay was found to be 117 0:13:18 --> 0:13:32 COVID positive and the management of her COVID was isolation, mask and essentially do nothing 118 0:13:32 --> 0:13:40 and also they prevented her family from visiting her. So she was terrified and so she 119 0:13:40 --> 0:13:48 discharged against medical advice and she over the course of days her condition deteriorated 120 0:13:49 --> 0:13:59 and that's when the family asked for help. So by the time I got to see her, 121 0:13:59 --> 0:14:05 was seeing her when I met by that is actually I was carrying out telephone consults because she 122 0:14:05 --> 0:14:18 was in an area of Sydney where it was it was it's been locked down so there's five areas of local 123 0:14:18 --> 0:14:27 government area in the southwest of south west of Sydney that was in lockdown for prolonged period 124 0:14:27 --> 0:14:36 and so if anyone in this area who's sick with COVID they were forced to stay at home 125 0:14:37 --> 0:14:45 for two weeks at least or until their PCR test is negative. So this lady who was essentially 126 0:14:46 --> 0:14:54 in her home she been to the hospital she came back and she's sick and she doesn't know what to do 127 0:14:54 --> 0:15:04 she can't get help and so I assessed her over the phone and realized that she's quite unwell 128 0:15:05 --> 0:15:14 and I said that she's probably a bit late to receive, for me to make a difference and she 129 0:15:14 --> 0:15:23 might need to go to hospital. The family refused to take her because they were awake 130 0:15:23 --> 0:15:31 and they knew that she's going to get mechanically ventilated, she's going to receive remdesivir 131 0:15:31 --> 0:15:42 so they resisted as much as possible and so she had her dose of ivermectin she didn't know how to 132 0:15:42 --> 0:15:53 take so I told her what to do and but I told her after a few hours that she's too late 133 0:15:54 --> 0:16:03 because we need access to an oxygen machine and unless she's able to access that I can't treat her. 134 0:16:05 --> 0:16:12 So she's able to organize the oxygen machine her oxygen saturation time was about 88 in the morning 135 0:16:12 --> 0:16:22 but by afternoon it's gone down to about 71 and so a few hours later she in the evening she got 136 0:16:22 --> 0:16:31 hold of an oxygen machine and the oxygen well with oxygen her sets went up to 91 percent 137 0:16:31 --> 0:16:39 so I continued to treat her hoping that I could keep her out of the hospital and could keep her 138 0:16:40 --> 0:16:51 out of you know the lethal treatment the lethal concoction that they give to patients in hospital. 139 0:16:53 --> 0:17:02 So over the next two days she was difficult to maintain her oxygen I gave her all that I could 140 0:17:02 --> 0:17:11 which was ivermectin I use a variety protocol which was ivermectin 24 milligrams doxycycline zinc 141 0:17:12 --> 0:17:20 I gave her vitamin D I wake her in 50 milligrams she's she's of middle eastern descent so I think 142 0:17:20 --> 0:17:30 that she had low vitamin D so it made her very vulnerable to severe COVID. I gave her 143 0:17:30 --> 0:17:37 fluoxamine because she's also got history of anxiety and been on an SSRI before so I said 144 0:17:37 --> 0:17:48 why not work with SSRI another SSRI I gave her gudez at night she's got history of asthma and 145 0:17:49 --> 0:17:57 yeah essentially gave her everything that I could and despite add some low dose prednisone and 146 0:17:57 --> 0:18:08 with that she's able to maintain her her sets around the low 90s but then she continued to 147 0:18:08 --> 0:18:21 deteriorate over the course of the first few days so I made a decision to treat her with 148 0:18:22 --> 0:18:30 high dose steroids because I couldn't maintain her oxygen to an acceptable level despite her being 149 0:18:30 --> 0:18:38 on maximum support of you know the home oxygen it's basically up to the maximum and I gave her all 150 0:18:38 --> 0:18:49 medication that I could give her so I use what they call post steroids so high dose of prednisolone 151 0:18:49 --> 0:19:01 in divided doses 500 milligrams over three days and to see how she responded to that and 152 0:19:03 --> 0:19:14 fortunately she I was able to like she responded very well and her oxygen level was 153 0:19:14 --> 0:19:20 I was able to maintain her oxygen level to an acceptable level and 154 0:19:22 --> 0:19:32 and it was easy it was amazing actually it was so good by the third day I actually dropped her 155 0:19:32 --> 0:19:42 prednisone to only 250 and I then weaned her off gradually the prednisone and also able to wean 156 0:19:42 --> 0:19:48 off the oxygen over course of about two and a half weeks and this is also a protocol that 157 0:19:49 --> 0:20:00 Pierre Corie was advocating and he taught doctors to use this protocol 158 0:20:01 --> 0:20:05 unfortunately for me she developed some side effects of prednisone which was 159 0:20:06 --> 0:20:14 psychosis so she developed some unusual behavior say some silly stuff and so I recognized that 160 0:20:14 --> 0:20:23 that was a side effect of the prednisone and but yeah and by then she was pcr positive 161 0:20:23 --> 0:20:29 negative so I said to her to go to a gp and get some follow-up and this could be 162 0:20:29 --> 0:20:36 um psychosis from the prednisone and get help so I didn't hear anything from her for 163 0:20:37 --> 0:20:46 two or so weeks two three weeks and the next thing I know is I got served with a complaint 164 0:20:46 --> 0:20:54 from the healthcare complaints commission with you know a diagnosis of polypharmacy and 165 0:20:54 --> 0:21:02 cathelopathy and I'm using too much steroid inappropriate use of steroid and that the 166 0:21:03 --> 0:21:11 department of toxicology at westmead hospital is having some problems with me dealing with this 167 0:21:11 --> 0:21:22 patient so and then I received a second complaint from a character called John Smith who alleges that 168 0:21:22 --> 0:21:33 I um treated a friend of his whose friend has this ivermectin script and so the ivermectin script 169 0:21:34 --> 0:21:42 that I prescribed to this friend of his was used as evidence against me and he said that his friend 170 0:21:42 --> 0:21:51 doesn't have worms but was prescribed ivermectin by me he's accused me of promoting ivermectin 171 0:21:51 --> 0:21:59 and on online uh an alternate treatment of COVID-19 on an online forum and that I'm an anti-vaxxer 172 0:21:59 --> 0:22:05 and that he knew exactly three other ivermectin scripts and knew who they were as well 173 0:22:06 --> 0:22:17 that I prescribed and he has concern as a public a member of the public about my conduct so that was 174 0:22:17 --> 0:22:25 what I got served about three weeks after having treated that patient 175 0:22:27 --> 0:22:35 and I've never had a complaint made against me before in my 27 years or closer 30 years of 176 0:22:35 --> 0:22:41 being a doctor and I had no idea what this means but I knew it was very serious 177 0:22:41 --> 0:22:49 um but I didn't know why I was a complaint was made against me um even the Westmead complaint 178 0:22:49 --> 0:22:55 I couldn't understand why anyone would make a complaint against me when I actually saved a life 179 0:22:56 --> 0:23:05 so I proceeded to ring the person um who made the complaint they had a mobile number on on the 180 0:23:05 --> 0:23:12 complaint so I rang and spoke to this doctor of at the hospital at Westmead hospital 181 0:23:13 --> 0:23:22 so she said that she's an intern and she treated that she she uh you know she was involved in the 182 0:23:22 --> 0:23:31 care of this patient and I asked her why she made a complaint against me uh and she told me that 183 0:23:31 --> 0:23:40 she was instructed to make the complaint she didn't she doesn't know why and uh and that her 184 0:23:40 --> 0:23:47 boss was the one who told her to lodge this complaint and uh I proceeded to ask who it was 185 0:23:47 --> 0:23:59 and it turns out to be a guy by the name of associate professor Naran Gunja so this individual 186 0:24:00 --> 0:24:10 he's uh he's a doctor in specialized in emergency care and he's a toxicologist at Westmead hospital 187 0:24:12 --> 0:24:23 this gentleman um on the between the first of September to this third of September roughly 188 0:24:23 --> 0:24:28 about a week before the TGA so the equivalent of the FDA in America 189 0:24:29 --> 0:24:37 when the TGA banned Ivermectin this person a week before that was making public appearance 190 0:24:37 --> 0:24:47 on tv and on radio um denigrating Ivermectin claiming that there was a case of uh Ivermectin 191 0:24:47 --> 0:24:56 overdose that he had treated at Westmead and that um people shouldn't procure a cure online 192 0:24:56 --> 0:25:03 and that Ivermectin doesn't work and that uh this guy was lucky that nothing happened to him 193 0:25:03 --> 0:25:11 from that overdose and that uh Ivermectin doesn't work and people should take the vaccine so the 194 0:25:11 --> 0:25:21 um the media spun the story and made it seem like um there's a whole heaps of people at 195 0:25:21 --> 0:25:27 turning up to casualty with Ivermectin overdose and people should just stop taking Ivermectin 196 0:25:27 --> 0:25:34 shop stop buying the horse patient on an online from from an online source um that's not reliable 197 0:25:35 --> 0:25:43 etc and so this story was broadcast all over Australia uh for three consecutive days and 198 0:25:43 --> 0:25:51 everybody heard about this Ivermectin overdose man they thought that people were flooding casualty 199 0:25:51 --> 0:25:59 but that's that was a lie um I did an FOI to see how many people presented to hospital at that time 200 0:25:59 --> 0:26:08 with Ivermectin overdose uh and there were only two cases um in Westmead hospital anyway and um 201 0:26:09 --> 0:26:18 so it's a total lie in fact I doubted whether that patient really had a true Ivermectin overdose 202 0:26:18 --> 0:26:26 but anyhow I uh that was the person behind my complaint um and obviously it really wasn't about 203 0:26:26 --> 0:26:35 my treatment but it was about Ivermectin and I and the John Smith complaint I believe was raised 204 0:26:37 --> 0:26:46 by whoever's behind um my target against me but essentially they needed a second complaint in order 205 0:26:46 --> 0:26:58 to justify a section 150 investigation which is an interview that they they um that they could 206 0:27:00 --> 0:27:12 sort of justify in order to try to suspend me uh so I yeah so so anyway that the the unusual thing 207 0:27:12 --> 0:27:18 about the John Smith complaint is that uh it's not an anonymous complaint so you you can lodge 208 0:27:18 --> 0:27:29 anonymous complaints against doctors but it has to be um uh you you have to be contactable so the 209 0:27:29 --> 0:27:36 complainant had to be reached by the um by the health by by the health regulators 210 0:27:37 --> 0:27:44 but this John Smith complaint is completely different um he he cannot be contacted his email 211 0:27:44 --> 0:27:49 address doesn't work his telephone number doesn't work and he doesn't have a physical address 212 0:27:49 --> 0:27:56 and he's a complete fraud because the prescription that he issued um which was used as evidence 213 0:27:56 --> 0:28:05 against me that Ivermectin script was redacted uh it doesn't have a name no address and uh 214 0:28:06 --> 0:28:13 and unfortunately he forgot to redact the medicare number so it allows me to trace back 215 0:28:14 --> 0:28:22 who that prescription belonged to so the friend that he claimed got that prescription 216 0:28:22 --> 0:28:29 whose prescription that belongs to happens to be a family member of mine and I was the one that 217 0:28:29 --> 0:28:36 took the script to the chemist and it was left at the chemist because there was no supplies of 218 0:28:36 --> 0:28:44 ivermectin and a few weeks later ivermectin was banned so as a result I left the prescription 219 0:28:44 --> 0:28:50 behind at the chemist and didn't go back so when I got the complaint and I knew who 220 0:28:51 --> 0:28:57 that prescription belonged to and I knew that it was still a word was left at the chemist 221 0:28:57 --> 0:29:06 I went back to the chemist and asked them where that was and they couldn't find it and they 222 0:29:06 --> 0:29:12 admitted that the prescription got handed over to APRA so APRA had that prescription 223 0:29:14 --> 0:29:24 John Smith whoever that was managed to get the prescription from APRA and I was suspended 224 0:29:25 --> 0:29:34 based on that so that's the beginning of my ordeal um essentially fake complaint 225 0:29:34 --> 0:29:39 a fake complaint and the other complaint wasn't really valid because they never had a consent 226 0:29:39 --> 0:29:45 from the patient they persuaded the patient they coerced the patient they lied to the patient 227 0:29:45 --> 0:29:47 and she didn't consent 228 0:29:52 --> 0:29:54 so I was suspended immediately 229 0:29:56 --> 0:30:02 after immediately after the interview with the regulator concerning these two complaints 230 0:30:02 --> 0:30:08 they never wanted to know anything about what I was going to say all they wanted was to 231 0:30:08 --> 0:30:14 interrogate me to get more information so that they could suspend me 232 0:30:17 --> 0:30:23 and they were they were working to file a third complaint against me so 233 0:30:25 --> 0:30:34 yeah do you want to ask me questions yes um my lee what I would like is um and we can ask that's 234 0:30:34 --> 0:30:39 that's your story but give us a taste of the legal process that you've gone through we've got 235 0:30:39 --> 0:30:46 Brad Geyer here who's a lawyer from the US I'm a former lawyer legal strategist and you know the 236 0:30:46 --> 0:30:54 the issue is the medical fraternity have stuffed you but but the legal process is also not serving 237 0:30:54 --> 0:30:59 you there's no justice in that process including taking the complaints of anonymous person who 238 0:30:59 --> 0:31:07 can't be found so what's you know what insights can you share with us on that legal process and 239 0:31:07 --> 0:31:14 the cost which is and by the way you're still suspended aren't you yes correct you know and 240 0:31:14 --> 0:31:24 and so the the the steps here are you know um designed to serve you as a warning and like 241 0:31:24 --> 0:31:30 jerry waters as a warning to other doctors don't you dare go against the narrative so what have 242 0:31:30 --> 0:31:34 your lawyers told you about that process or what's your observation about the process 243 0:31:36 --> 0:31:46 um well I think that uh my health rig my my my medical indemnity insurance was working against 244 0:31:46 --> 0:31:52 me the whole time uh so when I was okay that's very that's very important you know I think that's a 245 0:31:52 --> 0:31:59 very important we'll unpack that but I think that's a salutary crucial crucial point because 246 0:31:59 --> 0:32:02 I've heard that from a number of doctors that that's what what that's what the medical insurance does 247 0:32:02 --> 0:32:12 yep if if I was represented properly at the beginning of the my case I would never been 248 0:32:12 --> 0:32:24 suspended um um the the the person that um assigned to my case was a senior uh council 249 0:32:24 --> 0:32:33 and she's an experienced and and she's a a fairly capable lawyer but that wasn't her purpose her 250 0:32:33 --> 0:32:40 purpose wasn't to help me her purpose was to my demise she she was there um she was put there to 251 0:32:40 --> 0:32:47 destroy me she was put there to look like she was doing something but she was not um I was ill 252 0:32:47 --> 0:32:53 advised I was very naive um thinking that the medical council was interested to know the truth 253 0:32:55 --> 0:33:06 they um yeah so so I I felt very set up by the the the people that lot make created that complaint 254 0:33:06 --> 0:33:15 and I was set up by my insurance company and the lawyer that they gave to me to to to help me 255 0:33:15 --> 0:33:20 and it was hard at the beginning because I've never faced anything like this before and I 256 0:33:20 --> 0:33:27 I didn't know how to deal with it um I knew that um unfortunately for me I knew that my medical 257 0:33:27 --> 0:33:36 insurance um was bad but uh I approached a private a lawyer privately and asked him to help me 258 0:33:36 --> 0:33:42 but he convinced me not to use him and use the insurance lawyer and that was a mistake that I've 259 0:33:42 --> 0:33:49 made I made yeah so anyhow that's a that's a that is a wonderful important warning to everybody who 260 0:33:49 --> 0:33:53 watches this recording who's on this call that these medical insurers and the lawyers they 261 0:33:54 --> 0:34:00 they um appoint I have seen this happen many times so so yeah you need your own lawyer 262 0:34:00 --> 0:34:06 absolutely yeah yeah all right so um Miley anything else you want to share before we get 263 0:34:06 --> 0:34:11 to Stephen and and other questions we've got plenty of you know we're great at asking questions 264 0:34:11 --> 0:34:15 and your insights and you know I have some other views I want to share with you but keep going and 265 0:34:15 --> 0:34:25 then we'll get to the questions the thing is that uh the the the way that I um the way that I 266 0:34:26 --> 0:34:34 experienced so far with the legal process is that um they they control everything so there's there's 267 0:34:34 --> 0:34:41 just no justice no matter what I do I can never get anywhere because they control the tribunal 268 0:34:41 --> 0:34:51 they control the courts they even control the barristers so because I I filed a judicial review 269 0:34:52 --> 0:34:59 at the tribunal and then appealed to the court of appeal and the legislation that I challenged was 270 0:35:01 --> 0:35:10 mentioned in a prior case and so it was a very straightforward and a very clear 271 0:35:11 --> 0:35:17 legislation which states that if a complaint is made and it's serious 272 0:35:19 --> 0:35:29 I had to be referred to the tribunal for a hearing and so that that would end my suspension 273 0:35:29 --> 0:35:34 but what they did was that they prolonged the suspension by not allowing by not referring me 274 0:35:34 --> 0:35:44 to tribunal and I was I felt that I should have won that case and I should have I was hoping to 275 0:35:44 --> 0:35:53 set precedent on that matter so that no one no health practitioner in my state would ever be 276 0:35:53 --> 0:35:59 suspended indefinitely or prolonged suspension but they manipulated my case they 277 0:36:00 --> 0:36:10 um they tried to stop me from going to the court of appeal and that that is that was why they 278 0:36:10 --> 0:36:16 initiated a prosecution hearing against me to try and cancel my license which is the hearing I'm 279 0:36:16 --> 0:36:27 going into next Monday so they wanted that hearing to go ahead and cancel my license so that by the 280 0:36:27 --> 0:36:36 time I get to the court of appeal that I have no standing um um yeah so so they because the case 281 0:36:36 --> 0:36:44 is mute you mean that because the case is mute uh not so much mute but um I don't have standing 282 0:36:44 --> 0:36:51 I don't have because the matter that this is nothing that um I don't know what the word is 283 0:36:52 --> 0:36:59 so my my suspension status was gone they've cancelled and they made a determination 284 0:36:59 --> 0:37:05 an administrative determination on my case and there was nothing the court of appeal 285 0:37:05 --> 0:37:12 is going to make a difference to my case so um but my at the bottom of all this there was 286 0:37:13 --> 0:37:19 fraud there was fraud yes um and so that's a matter for the police in it 287 0:37:20 --> 0:37:25 yes I did file a complaint two years ago to the police the police wouldn't investigate 288 0:37:25 --> 0:37:36 I followed it up and they were not interested and so just a few months ago I filed a complaint 289 0:37:36 --> 0:37:43 to the police commissioner and the police commissioner said that they would investigate 290 0:37:44 --> 0:37:52 so when I got a chance to speak to the senior inspector they lost my original filing 291 0:37:53 --> 0:38:03 and he spoke to me for uh you know and and interview me on my matter but he wasn't really 292 0:38:03 --> 0:38:08 interested in my story it was just more like an exercise to fulfill his requirement that he 293 0:38:08 --> 0:38:16 spoke to me um and then he concluded that there was no fraud um that was more collusion 294 0:38:16 --> 0:38:22 oh more corruption so he said that because there's no fraud it's not in the the police 295 0:38:22 --> 0:38:29 jurisdiction and so he said it was corruption not fraud is that right correct but it was fraud 296 0:38:30 --> 0:38:36 it was I told him that his definition of fraud was wrong I he said that because there's no exchange 297 0:38:36 --> 0:38:43 of money there's no fraud and that's the only um area of fraud that the police can investigate 298 0:38:43 --> 0:38:49 I said that's not true at all um I said you know this is this is a falsified complaint 299 0:38:50 --> 0:38:57 it was an intent to cause me harm and I have been harmed from it this is absolutely and he rejected 300 0:38:57 --> 0:39:05 that he got angry irritated in fact the next day after that interview he um he got really really 301 0:39:05 --> 0:39:13 annoyed with me well he called me accidentally and when I told him um that I like to still serve him 302 0:39:13 --> 0:39:19 or provided him provide him with the report that that the police doesn't seem to have 303 0:39:20 --> 0:39:27 my original report and that I like him to consider the in the crimes act uh with this 304 0:39:27 --> 0:39:34 particular legislation that speaks about fraud that applies to my case and he got angry agitated 305 0:39:34 --> 0:39:42 shout and scream at me and that's intimidation yes of a witness of your witness and the actual 306 0:39:42 --> 0:39:52 complainant incredible so I filed another complaint against him and that was only a few days ago so 307 0:39:52 --> 0:40:03 it's still going um yeah you know master roberts um sorry charles go on sorry Stephen the next the 308 0:40:03 --> 0:40:07 next 13 minutes is yours then we'll go to jerry and john you you keep going steven 309 0:40:09 --> 0:40:15 okay um my lee thank you very much for coming on a short short notice um I was hoping you turn up 310 0:40:15 --> 0:40:21 which is more than I managed to do on time anyway um and I'm sorry about that but anyway um 311 0:40:22 --> 0:40:25 uh I don't want to go on too much but I let's say 312 0:40:27 --> 0:40:31 I'm a whistleblower and I know exactly what you're talking about you cannot trust any damned lawyer 313 0:40:31 --> 0:40:36 who comes before you you have to make your own judgments and rely on your instincts to get a 314 0:40:36 --> 0:40:41 lawyer who's vaguely working for you and even then they're working in the system and trying to make 315 0:40:41 --> 0:40:48 money out of you so um and uh there's no justice in the united kingdom it doesn't look as though 316 0:40:48 --> 0:40:53 there's any justice in Australia too this is a disgrace to both countries and uh I wonder do 317 0:40:53 --> 0:41:00 you know malcolm roberts the senator yes I do is does he know about your case he does 318 0:41:01 --> 0:41:10 what is he doing to help you nothing much right what can he do well he can put pressure on the 319 0:41:10 --> 0:41:19 police to investigate crime okay at the very least I think right okay so um but we can help 320 0:41:19 --> 0:41:24 you mildly so we can point you in the right direction charles lives in Australia he's in 321 0:41:24 --> 0:41:31 Melbourne were you in Sydney or or correct Sydney okay um but um 322 0:41:33 --> 0:41:39 Charles we could get uh we we know so Julian Gillespie is a lawyer isn't he Charles 323 0:41:40 --> 0:41:47 yes he is a lawyer and I'm I'm I'm a legal strategist Miley I practiced law for 20 years as 324 0:41:47 --> 0:41:56 you heard and you know the fraud that's being perpetrated on on Miley um you know it's in fact 325 0:41:56 --> 0:42:01 it's a state it's a state matter it's a state police uh so it's the new south wasp police rather 326 0:42:01 --> 0:42:06 than the federal police rather than a federal senator issue steven on the other hand it's 327 0:42:06 --> 0:42:12 shining a light on what Miley and um really what you're getting at it Miley what publicity of you 328 0:42:12 --> 0:42:19 know has have you been able to generate and I'm just thinking what's going through my mind is to 329 0:42:19 --> 0:42:25 shine a light on what you're going through because and amps you know there's also amps been 330 0:42:25 --> 0:42:34 established in Australia for just this purpose and so I have I have been a member of amps and 331 0:42:34 --> 0:42:43 I didn't get any um value you know any assistance at all so I um withdrew my membership from amps 332 0:42:43 --> 0:42:49 yeah is anyone helping you I mean are you just doing all this on your own Miley 333 0:42:51 --> 0:43:01 I am it's essentially I'm doing it on my own um I have been able to get small independent media to 334 0:43:01 --> 0:43:11 um um to to you know to interview me and to shine a light on my case um I got a good 335 0:43:11 --> 0:43:18 following on on social media so I have been putting my case forward I've been educating 336 0:43:18 --> 0:43:26 my audience about what's happening to me so I have recently been having more more publicity 337 0:43:27 --> 0:43:34 but not enough um and you know I could I could do with more help I I think that if I could get the 338 0:43:34 --> 0:43:41 police to investigate my case that would be huge yes and but it sounds to me like the the inspector 339 0:43:41 --> 0:43:47 or whoever it was who was essentially intimidating you you're not allowed to lose your temper with a 340 0:43:47 --> 0:43:52 with a complaint if you're a policeman in my view and anybody any policeman who does that 341 0:43:53 --> 0:43:58 uh with the intent especially you know and and it seems that he did have intent to 342 0:44:00 --> 0:44:07 persuade you that you could not get a what you call it um a crime number in the UK 343 0:44:08 --> 0:44:12 the equivalent of that because they did exactly the same thing with me they were so frightened 344 0:44:12 --> 0:44:18 of me they knew I was telling the truth they spoke to me for two years the police 345 0:44:18 --> 0:44:24 Lancashire police in the United Kingdom disgraceful police force they spoke to me for two years to keep 346 0:44:24 --> 0:44:31 me warm there was no attack but they wouldn't give me a crime number and eventually my MP 347 0:44:32 --> 0:44:38 would put pressure on well he put a lot of pressure on them and he couldn't get them to 348 0:44:38 --> 0:44:45 issue a crime number and um but there's always a weak spot you know you can always so the most 349 0:44:45 --> 0:44:49 important thing in the case like yours is to identify what is the weakest point 350 0:44:49 --> 0:44:54 because once you take out the weakest point everything else comes crumbling down 351 0:44:55 --> 0:44:59 right um but you know at the moment it doesn't look as though you've identified what the weakest 352 0:44:59 --> 0:45:08 point is but we can help you with that maybe okay so this case of yours is just outrageous and it 353 0:45:08 --> 0:45:13 reminds me of my case that was outrageous but I was right in the middle of it so in the end I 354 0:45:13 --> 0:45:18 wasn't thinking straight I withdrew my case on my appeal on access to justice grounds and my with 355 0:45:18 --> 0:45:24 my own lawyers arguing against me and saying you can't do that because you'll have costs awarded 356 0:45:24 --> 0:45:31 against you and I just said in the end by this time I've got PTSD and I said I don't care anymore 357 0:45:31 --> 0:45:36 whether they award costs against me or not and we're sick of this legal system and it doesn't work 358 0:45:36 --> 0:45:43 and it's a disgrace to this country yes it doesn't work so I sort of resort to a slightly 359 0:45:43 --> 0:45:51 different tactic and that is to expose my whole entire case on social media um and I have a lot 360 0:45:51 --> 0:45:58 interest from just people just common people they follow me interacting with me and I think that 361 0:45:58 --> 0:46:07 that's trouble the um health regulators a lot in fact one of the at one of the hearing um so when 362 0:46:07 --> 0:46:14 I was proceeding to about to go to the court of appeal for my judicial review I had I wanted to 363 0:46:14 --> 0:46:22 challenge a second matter which was the delegation of power to those medical counsel who suspended me 364 0:46:22 --> 0:46:28 and they gave me evidence to show that it wasn't done according to law so I wanted to challenge 365 0:46:28 --> 0:46:36 that the court of appeal wanted me to go to the file before the uh the tribunal first 366 0:46:36 --> 0:46:42 before it could be heard in the court of appeal so when I filed that case all then the tribunal 367 0:46:42 --> 0:46:48 needed to do was to dismiss my case and then I could have my hearing in the court of appeal 368 0:46:48 --> 0:46:56 together with my original um challenge but what happened is that they refused to release my 369 0:46:57 --> 0:47:04 judgment on on the delegation matter because they were manipulating the process and then they 370 0:47:04 --> 0:47:11 allowed the hc to initiate a prosecution hearing against me so that my license can be cancelled so 371 0:47:11 --> 0:47:18 that this other proceeding couldn't go ahead because it was a winning a winning case so I um 372 0:47:19 --> 0:47:26 I um I I didn't know what to do 16 weeks down the track and I couldn't they wouldn't release 373 0:47:26 --> 0:47:33 the judgment so I made a video outside the tribunal and I released it on social media a week later 374 0:47:33 --> 0:47:40 a week later they released the judgment yes so that's why I was able to catch up and you know 375 0:47:40 --> 0:47:46 they manipulate my case and I did everything to try to reverse that so I did get my court of 376 0:47:46 --> 0:47:54 appeal hearing however when I got to my court of appeal they assigned a newly appointed judge 377 0:47:55 --> 0:48:02 and two retired judges and they did my case and that's when I realized wow yeah exactly 378 0:48:03 --> 0:48:10 one fraud to another it's just incredible um what's in what's interesting is that cost was 379 0:48:10 --> 0:48:16 awarded against me but they did not claim they did not make a claim or anything like that 380 0:48:16 --> 0:48:21 so I thought that was interesting I said wow because you committed fraud on my case that's 381 0:48:21 --> 0:48:28 why you did you could not claim cost so one of the tactics they use is to delay delay the judgment 382 0:48:29 --> 0:48:33 it's well known amongst lawyers that delaying the judgment in my case it was seven months till 383 0:48:33 --> 0:48:39 I got the judgment from the so-called tribunal you know but it wasn't a kind of disciplinary 384 0:48:39 --> 0:48:43 tribunal it's an employment tribunal it was a case which I brought against the British government 385 0:48:43 --> 0:48:49 essentially using their legal system so I was never going to win I now realize but I thought 386 0:48:49 --> 0:48:56 at the time I'm right here therefore I can win but the reality is the more right you are the more 387 0:48:56 --> 0:49:00 effort they spend in trying to silence you and that's exactly what they're doing with you yeah 388 0:49:00 --> 0:49:05 I think you understand it so the more right you are the more afraid they are of you and the more 389 0:49:05 --> 0:49:12 they have to silence you they will go to extreme lengths to stop you but it is possible to break 390 0:49:12 --> 0:49:19 them especially with your background from Cambodia killing fields so yes you've gone from one tyranny 391 0:49:19 --> 0:49:25 Cambodia yeah to another tyranny Australia it's a disgrace to Australia but anyway 392 0:49:28 --> 0:49:35 so the best thing you can do my Lee is to create a timeline because that was a tactic of the very 393 0:49:35 --> 0:49:45 senior barrister he produced an absolutely brilliant 25 page timeline which even the well of 394 0:49:45 --> 0:49:51 course the junior barrister was probably sucking up to him but he was no fool either and he said I 395 0:49:51 --> 0:49:56 now understand why he wanted a timeline it was a brilliant brilliant timeline I have to say it was 396 0:49:56 --> 0:50:04 about 25 pages long very detailed what you're describing is the anatomy of a of a cover-up 397 0:50:05 --> 0:50:10 and and using all the state apparatus as far as I can see and and they would be but but you can 398 0:50:11 --> 0:50:17 break them you can frighten that you're a woman so that helps you and you're also from Cambodia 399 0:50:18 --> 0:50:24 that also I would publicize that as much as you can you came from the killing fields of Cambodia 400 0:50:24 --> 0:50:27 to Australia and you find yourself in another tyranny 401 0:50:28 --> 0:50:33 anyway exactly I think there's some more questions all right that's that's thank you 402 0:50:33 --> 0:50:38 thank you Stephen well a point there timelines everybody I often say I often say to people who 403 0:50:38 --> 0:50:43 come to me with problems to do this the quality of their statement makes a massive difference 404 0:50:44 --> 0:50:48 Marley I'm sure you've done that work but generally speaking a good statement makes a 405 0:50:48 --> 0:50:55 massive difference all right we're good and hands up particular attention to accuracy so that they 406 0:50:55 --> 0:51:00 can't say oh she's got the wrong date here you know and therefore she's not reliable so in other 407 0:51:00 --> 0:51:06 words nail everything down get people to check is that people around you you know and make sure 408 0:51:06 --> 0:51:11 you've got the dates right everything right the truth everywhere as far as you know and if you're 409 0:51:11 --> 0:51:21 not sure just say you're not sure yeah I try to create publicity in order to make them scared so 410 0:51:21 --> 0:51:30 I am I am an extract of us down in town hall every week now and and I make a speech and then 411 0:51:30 --> 0:51:40 I would publish that and I'm gonna because my my hearing is coming up next next week and I'm 412 0:51:40 --> 0:51:45 trying to put pressure on them now I have something I found I discovered something really interesting 413 0:51:45 --> 0:51:53 and I like your opinion and your advice so an expert witness that they have selected 414 0:51:53 --> 0:52:05 it who's produced a report against me against the use of ivermectin etc he is one of their go-to man 415 0:52:05 --> 0:52:14 for the last 14 years he has served as a an expert witness for them as well as a tribunal member 416 0:52:14 --> 0:52:23 and he had been doing both roles for four years in that within that 14 year period that's a conflict 417 0:52:23 --> 0:52:31 of interest yeah he has to be struck off struck out of the case he can't what do you say to jobs 418 0:52:34 --> 0:52:40 it's a problem it's a problem having a conflict of expert in fact the rules to the court the rules 419 0:52:40 --> 0:52:46 of the court normal court would not allow such an expert to give evidence so that's getting a bit 420 0:52:46 --> 0:52:51 more technical witnesses we've got loads of them so if you want Sukrit Bhakdi for example 421 0:52:52 --> 0:52:57 to describe the tyranny that we went through in 2020 Sukrit Bhakdi do you know him the German 422 0:52:57 --> 0:53:05 the Thai German doctor oh yes doctor Bhakdi yes yeah well we can get him batting for you 423 0:53:06 --> 0:53:12 other people as well right okay and so i want to ask so within that 14 years 424 0:53:13 --> 0:53:20 i mean he he's no longer a he doesn't play dual roles anymore he's just an expert witness 425 0:53:20 --> 0:53:28 for the last six years but he had been in the past where the roles were overlapped now i just 426 0:53:28 --> 0:53:36 saw and also every outcome that he's of the case that he's involved in result in the doctor 427 0:53:37 --> 0:53:48 getting like punished by by the health regulator for for for their action so i what i did was i 428 0:53:48 --> 0:53:56 there were 43 case laws that he was involved in over that 40 over that 14 years period so i 429 0:53:57 --> 0:54:04 summarized those and i've written a very strong letter and i just admitted to the New South Wales 430 0:54:04 --> 0:54:12 Health Minister and i also filed it to the president of NCAT telling her that this is not on 431 0:54:12 --> 0:54:21 and that she should kick this guy out so and i'm i'm going to also ask them why why why the court 432 0:54:21 --> 0:54:28 allowed the witness to be sorry the witness to appear as an expert witness when they must have 433 0:54:28 --> 0:54:33 known about this association with the court previously but what was court doing what were 434 0:54:33 --> 0:54:42 the lawyers doing to allowing that witness into the case yeah attack them on all fronts 435 0:54:42 --> 0:54:50 but be careful all right let's get moving sorry no go ahead Charles and Jerry Jerry's turn 436 0:54:53 --> 0:55:05 Jerry you you oh that's all right hi um hi Amaila like you i was a GP i was a GP for 40 years i've 437 0:55:05 --> 0:55:13 been doctor for 47 years and in after 40 years as a GP in 2020 i recognized i would differ from you 438 0:55:13 --> 0:55:19 as far as the pathogenicity of the virus goes insofar as i felt that there was no there was 439 0:55:19 --> 0:55:25 little or no pathogenicity to the virus other than what i had seen from coronaviruses over the 440 0:55:25 --> 0:55:34 previous 40 years i refused to not examine my patients i continued working i did pretty massive 441 0:55:34 --> 0:55:40 practice and had worked very hard i took two holidays in 40 years so i kind of was totally 442 0:55:40 --> 0:55:46 in love with my practice totally in love with doing what i did and hugely privileged to be a doctor 443 0:55:46 --> 0:55:54 a GP so but in in 2020 in coming into February and March i realized that there was no pathogen 444 0:55:54 --> 0:56:02 in the community like um Ryan Cole always says that really what we do is we we watch for patterns 445 0:56:02 --> 0:56:07 and that is what experience is seeing patterns there was no change in the pattern of pathogenicity 446 0:56:07 --> 0:56:14 of viruses as far as i was concerned so i was so convinced that there was no virus of any relevance 447 0:56:14 --> 0:56:21 that i was saying to people i said to my patients that i would happily open the um the patients in 448 0:56:21 --> 0:56:26 post-mortem without using a mask that of course would have been a silly thing because it could 449 0:56:26 --> 0:56:31 have had lots of other things but i was saying to patients i was so convinced and i was 70 at the 450 0:56:31 --> 0:56:38 time so that i was in in the dangerous group i was totally convinced that there was no pathogen of 451 0:56:38 --> 0:56:45 any relevance um that that that overall was proven i continued to examine every patient and continued 452 0:56:45 --> 0:56:52 to do as what i had done for the previous 40 years and got 100 success rate in pcr diagnosed 453 0:56:52 --> 0:57:00 patients that of course is the point of the whole pandemic the pandemic was a pandemic of pcr tests 454 0:57:00 --> 0:57:07 not a pandemic of illness uh that that that is my belief and that i believe will be the belief that 455 0:57:07 --> 0:57:14 i will bring to the grave unless i get information that changes that i believe there was no pathogen 456 0:57:14 --> 0:57:20 of any great importance i never used ivermectin i never used hydroxychloroquine i never used 457 0:57:20 --> 0:57:26 anything other than what i'd used for the previous 40 years and that was fundamentally examine every 458 0:57:26 --> 0:57:34 patient ears nose throat chest and depending on what i found i treated or didn't treat or brought 459 0:57:34 --> 0:57:39 them back and had an x-ray if if they weren't getting better and as i said i got 100 success 460 0:57:39 --> 0:57:46 rate um i like you then i refused when when i did i did an ongoing battle for for for a year with 461 0:57:46 --> 0:57:53 the irish medical council who um harassed me so to speak um they managed to get somebody who 462 0:57:53 --> 0:57:59 complained about me refusing to uh are telling him that the mask was probably causing his problem 463 0:57:59 --> 0:58:05 wearing a mask was probably causing his his tracheitis rather than anything else and um 464 0:58:05 --> 0:58:13 eventually anyway when the fire when the uh vaccine so-called came around i refused to give it i was 465 0:58:13 --> 0:58:20 horrified at the idea of ejecting a modified uh viral rna messenger rna into people i totally 466 0:58:20 --> 0:58:28 absolutely disagreed with but then just getting on to our suspensions i've suspended in march 467 0:58:28 --> 0:58:36 third of march 2021 and i've still suspended contrary to the medical practitioners act of 468 0:58:36 --> 0:58:47 207 um where a according to the section 61 uh it is requirement that there be a time limit put on 469 0:58:47 --> 0:58:55 my suspension the president of the high court to whom i brought before with uh two days notice 470 0:58:57 --> 0:59:03 forgot to add in the suspend the the time limit whether she forgot i don't know what she did but 471 0:59:03 --> 0:59:09 she retired soon after that so when i went back to the medical council he told me well as it happens 472 0:59:09 --> 0:59:13 you um it's not our mistake it's the high court's mistake go back to the high court i couldn't go 473 0:59:13 --> 0:59:20 back to the high court because the um the talking about the medical protection society 474 0:59:20 --> 0:59:26 the you know your legal team yes they're not working for you they're working hand in glove with 475 0:59:27 --> 0:59:35 the um the medical council the medical regulatory bodies these and the team is that the appointers 476 0:59:35 --> 0:59:42 in ireland is a small group of teams and they and they all sort of rotate through the uh the 477 0:59:42 --> 0:59:48 medical defense and the prosecution and so they're at various stages they're doing different jobs 478 0:59:48 --> 0:59:55 and um so to think for one minute that you're you're going to be represented by anybody 479 0:59:55 --> 1:00:03 you're anybody who will actually do what is right for you in effect they endeavour to keep me silent 480 1:00:03 --> 1:00:06 which is quite a difficult thing to do under any circumstances 481 1:00:08 --> 1:00:15 they um but but overall we've had a very similar kind of run through my advice to you and i you 482 1:00:15 --> 1:00:22 know i i'm i'm loathed to giving advice because i'm probably not very good at following it but um 483 1:00:23 --> 1:00:31 don't trust your legal team i i i they they rigged up a separate case to me to try and make me look 484 1:00:31 --> 1:00:40 bad and uh the night before i dismissed my legal team the the and arrived in there to the uh inquiry 485 1:00:41 --> 1:00:48 uh to saying sorry i have no legal team i'm representing myself i tore the case apart 486 1:00:48 --> 1:00:54 so much so that after six days it was meant to be a one day case it went on for onto the seventh day 487 1:00:54 --> 1:01:01 they sued for a piece and took the off-ramp by using what's called a section 67 and a 66 488 1:01:01 --> 1:01:08 section 67 fundamentally in ireland anyway the medical practitioners act is that the cases 489 1:01:08 --> 1:01:14 dropped there's no record of it on your uh there's there's no no recording on your records you've got 490 1:01:14 --> 1:01:20 a clean bill of health and uh all you have to do is you know fulfill certain recommendations 491 1:01:21 --> 1:01:26 um to recommend you know that i wouldn't commit the offense again i said what what what was the 492 1:01:26 --> 1:01:31 offense committing a joke anyway i decided to take the section 67 to clear that out of the way 493 1:01:31 --> 1:01:39 so as i can come back at them on the covert case the case to which i'm suspended um that is ongoing 494 1:01:39 --> 1:01:46 at the moment so i can't say very much about it but i presented a list of 41 witnesses to them last 495 1:01:46 --> 1:01:53 week to uh including the minister for health the then minister for health who happened to be 496 1:01:53 --> 1:02:01 no the t-shock in ireland who happened to be with gp and uh they almost had an epileptic fit when 497 1:02:01 --> 1:02:08 them when i presented them with a list of 41 witnesses knowing they knowing that i can drag 498 1:02:08 --> 1:02:16 one witness out for two days on the uh on the the witness box i could analyze every word and 499 1:02:16 --> 1:02:21 analyze it for five different directions because i'm just that kind of awkward bastard 500 1:02:21 --> 1:02:28 um that's fundamentally what you have to be my lee you have to you you have to get a degree of 501 1:02:28 --> 1:02:35 sort of uh mongrel in you as they would say in america in in in the southern hemisphere you need 502 1:02:35 --> 1:02:41 a little bit of a mongrel in you i'm fortunate i was born with it um so that's what you've got 503 1:02:41 --> 1:02:48 to do and the other thing don't go to brazil legally you can't win legally because the whole 504 1:02:48 --> 1:02:55 the whole system is corrupted and the whole system is complicit and so you're not going to win and 505 1:02:55 --> 1:03:00 don't put yourself in a situation where you are liable for for a cost so you don't instigate 506 1:03:00 --> 1:03:05 anything and don't allow them put you in a situation where you could even if you're 507 1:03:05 --> 1:03:10 representing yourself because they will try and screw you and they will try and destroy you 508 1:03:10 --> 1:03:19 because as i say the system is complicit in the greatest crime in history so you know that's 509 1:03:19 --> 1:03:23 fundamentally you're not you're not going to get justice or rather you're going to get justice 510 1:03:23 --> 1:03:28 when the tide turns and the tide will turn i believe with trump being elected the tide will turn 511 1:03:29 --> 1:03:38 not only in america but in in ireland and in a in australia so wait for that and keep your your 512 1:03:38 --> 1:03:45 your face in the public view i've been doing that by running for elections and by running for 513 1:03:45 --> 1:03:53 elections i in ireland you you get the right to post out a piece of uh information free to every 514 1:03:53 --> 1:03:57 house which would be 40 euro for the for the postage stamp 515 1:04:01 --> 1:04:05 so it's a cheap way of getting publicity it's a very very cheap way of getting publicity 516 1:04:05 --> 1:04:14 so that's why that's what i'm using the electoral system they can now they can they can censor me or 517 1:04:14 --> 1:04:19 they can they can um they can exclude me from debates and discussions which they've done 518 1:04:19 --> 1:04:25 because i've attacked the green party on a number of occasions they they hate to get they run away 519 1:04:25 --> 1:04:33 but uh my advice to you would be to keep your your face in the public try and you know don't depend 520 1:04:33 --> 1:04:40 on any legal team because these guys are sitting down they're having golf they're playing golf 521 1:04:40 --> 1:04:45 and they're having coffee behind the scenes and they will sacrifice you and they're not going to 522 1:04:45 --> 1:04:50 stick their head above the parapet for your sake i try to keep my 523 1:04:53 --> 1:05:00 gentleman to a young lady i i'm giving you that advice yes thank you so i try to keep my audience 524 1:05:00 --> 1:05:07 um engaged by giving details of what's happening to me in my case that's why 525 1:05:07 --> 1:05:13 proceeding is for me to they wanted to cancel my license for three to five years and also making 526 1:05:13 --> 1:05:19 me pay for the proceeding and they want to find me as well yeah well at the end of the day they 527 1:05:19 --> 1:05:25 will try to destroy you and at the last what we we get have what we call call over meetings where 528 1:05:25 --> 1:05:31 we've got a sort of pre-trial uh call over meeting i said you you guys kind of missed the point this 529 1:05:31 --> 1:05:37 isn't a disciplinary hearing this is in effect the start of an inquiry into the malicious 530 1:05:37 --> 1:05:43 prosecution of me i intend to prove that there was a malicious prosecution oh they nearly the 531 1:05:43 --> 1:05:49 legal team nearly died when i said i wasn't supposed to say that at the pre-trial thing 532 1:05:49 --> 1:05:53 he said no no no i said i said what can you do to me you've already hanged me what are you going to 533 1:05:53 --> 1:06:00 draw and quarter me and send me the bits from me across to each of the cities in ireland no you you've 534 1:06:00 --> 1:06:08 no power over me at all and so that i i believe i know i have the frightened insiders telling me 535 1:06:08 --> 1:06:14 that they hate having anything to do with me they they they they rather wrap themselves in poison 536 1:06:14 --> 1:06:21 i've even invented to do with me okay thank you well said jerry i think i think we'll have to 537 1:06:22 --> 1:06:30 jerry i'll set up a three-way conversation between you and mylee and me and we'll talk 538 1:06:30 --> 1:06:37 offline okay absolutely i'd be very happy to chat to mylee i if i could be any help to her i i would 539 1:06:37 --> 1:06:42 but i have been through it for the last five years four years anyway but in the previous year when 540 1:06:42 --> 1:06:48 they were buggering me around you know jerry i i had this vision you know of you and mylee 541 1:06:49 --> 1:06:58 getting long hair which you've got and riding down the streets of Dublin and Sydney naked on a horse 542 1:07:01 --> 1:07:03 so you know lady godiva 543 1:07:06 --> 1:07:13 well maybe maybe on a harley davison perhaps you know but but you know jerry you you know getting 544 1:07:13 --> 1:07:19 the publicity you're quite right and and jerome coursey tells us and john look out she's going 545 1:07:19 --> 1:07:25 to give some sanitary thoughts as well but jerry i will organize that conversation because you're 546 1:07:25 --> 1:07:31 the way that jerry thinks mylee i think would you know would be of value and also vice versa 547 1:07:31 --> 1:07:36 okay so we'll set that up thank you jerry and well done so mylee you need to get jerry as one 548 1:07:36 --> 1:07:43 of your expert witnesses with his hair down like that with instructions he looks like um the guy 549 1:07:43 --> 1:07:50 from um uh in i can't remember his name now on twin peaks i think he was the murderer you know the 550 1:07:50 --> 1:07:56 the murder of laura kramer um that that would that would fit but as i say i could be equally 551 1:07:56 --> 1:08:05 as vicious at my hair up up on my hair down i i am as you have a little uh what do they call it here 552 1:08:05 --> 1:08:12 on the top of your head you're on the side of the back jerry no my wife says i i'm a fabulous friend 553 1:08:12 --> 1:08:19 but i'm a terrible enemy i yes i i bear grudges and i'm you know i'm i'm not really a nice person 554 1:08:19 --> 1:08:24 i pretend to be i could i've got a psychopathic personality i come across as a really nice person 555 1:08:25 --> 1:08:31 you know psychopath so it's very important for mylee to understand that the people who she's 556 1:08:31 --> 1:08:37 dealing with at the moment underneath the surface they're absolutely terrified of you mylee just like 557 1:08:37 --> 1:08:42 they're terrified of jerry just like they were terrified of me they were absolutely terrified 558 1:08:42 --> 1:08:48 of me and they are terrified of you too and jerry anybody who's got the truth they and all right 559 1:08:48 --> 1:08:54 go on we go come on they are we keep going because otherwise you're quite right steven and you know 560 1:08:54 --> 1:08:59 mylee is fighting the fight and they're in each one has a new one so john what's your thoughts on 561 1:08:59 --> 1:09:04 where we're at with what we're dealing with here and the fraud that's being imposed on mylee 562 1:09:05 --> 1:09:11 all right are you ready for a left turn into space mylee because you know my job view as just 563 1:09:11 --> 1:09:17 providing information all right so you tell me i don't know you i don't hate you i don't hate 564 1:09:17 --> 1:09:25 doctors generally but some of them i do hate um you've probably not heard this perspective before 565 1:09:25 --> 1:09:30 but the first thought that comes into my head when i read your bio is you guys got what you deserve 566 1:09:30 --> 1:09:35 but you only got it indirectly and for all the wrong reasons it's such a convoluted nightmare 567 1:09:35 --> 1:09:45 so i apologize for this um but even in the way you tell your story you perpetrate lies um like 568 1:09:46 --> 1:09:54 the infection the virus the i mean we got to just really dismiss the entire narrative here and i know 569 1:09:54 --> 1:09:58 you're not prepared to do that you don't know it it took me years to figure this out i've 570 1:09:58 --> 1:10:04 wrote books on it i believe i got a pretty clear view of who's guilty of what you doctors were 571 1:10:04 --> 1:10:09 thrown under the bus i mean you have nothing to lose and i've said this before you're going 572 1:10:09 --> 1:10:14 to be replaced and this was always a plan with a medical kiosk that suggests euthanasia either 573 1:10:14 --> 1:10:18 will do it or you can do it with a vaccine and those are your only two choices regardless of 574 1:10:18 --> 1:10:30 your problem all right so it's a crazy battle but you know i mean i i learned so much i was able to 575 1:10:30 --> 1:10:36 take a terminal vaccine injured patient and cure them they're fine now okay everybody ignores this 576 1:10:36 --> 1:10:42 because i have no credentials but if i can do this you can learn this you guys you study like crazy 577 1:10:42 --> 1:10:47 right but the problem i've seen and i've talked to hundreds of doctors you have no camaraderie 578 1:10:47 --> 1:10:53 your your your colleagues don't defend you you don't band together you don't ignore medical boards 579 1:10:53 --> 1:10:59 like an army like you should i mean you have to become an extreme activist i heard a while about 580 1:11:00 --> 1:11:07 you know rogue doctors that were making underground clinics and just being scofflaws do that you've 581 1:11:07 --> 1:11:12 got nothing to lose they already took it all right you want to help somebody i would maybe take the 582 1:11:12 --> 1:11:18 advice of a nurse if i was in having a problem i would never listen to a doctor ever you need to 583 1:11:19 --> 1:11:25 start scribing stuff learn some real homeopathic medicine that stuff is great if you don't know it 584 1:11:25 --> 1:11:31 you should um i mean this is a bit of a rant here i'm going to give you three things that are 585 1:11:32 --> 1:11:36 in my view the most important things that people should be spreading instead of all this social 586 1:11:36 --> 1:11:43 media story garbage all right i wrote a book on charles rachet i have yet to hear a doctor that 587 1:11:43 --> 1:11:50 i meet that knows who charles rachet is do you know who he is no i don't there it is all right 588 1:11:50 --> 1:11:54 i'll put it in the chat again when i get them talking to you read this book very short take 589 1:11:54 --> 1:11:59 you maybe 20 minutes to cram it right and you know i'm not the greatest author it's my first book but 590 1:11:59 --> 1:12:05 look the point is is salient it pulls the rug out of all the vaccines if we can just 591 1:12:06 --> 1:12:10 collectively show that they did this one egregious thing all right they'll they 592 1:12:10 --> 1:12:17 suppressed charles rachet he was nobel prize winner in 1913 he discovered anaphylaxis and 593 1:12:17 --> 1:12:23 since that time he's been like everybody what he did nobody understands if they're in the medical 594 1:12:23 --> 1:12:30 professions all it's all conflated with other garbage it it stops the train and i wrote a 595 1:12:30 --> 1:12:34 book about this they took it away from me they took my royalties i mean they really 596 1:12:34 --> 1:12:39 screwed me but that would be in the hand of if things were normal everybody in the world it 597 1:12:39 --> 1:12:46 circled the globe seven times in three months was a best seller biden removed it or his 598 1:12:46 --> 1:12:52 administration all right bakhti is very important bakhti kit he has the proof that they made that 599 1:12:53 --> 1:12:58 wonderful world-changing vaccine in about an hour i knew this all right 600 1:13:00 --> 1:13:09 spread that jj couey is kind of a you know an unsung hero he's you know a phd biologist he was 601 1:13:09 --> 1:13:15 on his path for tenure at university i mean this guy can answer any question but he always answers 602 1:13:15 --> 1:13:20 it with indoctrinated bullshit usually and he came out of here and kind of apologized he's 603 1:13:20 --> 1:13:26 done it like six seven times what a guy what a brain right but you know there's no substance 604 1:13:26 --> 1:13:33 to genetics there's no substance to all that kuhá that surrounds the vaccines in the immune system 605 1:13:33 --> 1:13:41 all that if i can learn this you can learn this all right so the last thing um well you know it's 606 1:13:41 --> 1:13:45 rachet it's bakhti it's jj couey these guys have the most important information in the world 607 1:13:46 --> 1:13:55 because it proves the evil and exposes everybody involved in it you know so so 608 1:13:57 --> 1:14:03 you know it you got to be a bit of a rebel but you need help you can't do it alone they'll 609 1:14:03 --> 1:14:10 crucify you jail you fine you all this stuff i know it's intimidating but you know from the very 610 1:14:10 --> 1:14:15 start when Rockefeller medicine took over you guys have been systematically 611 1:14:15 --> 1:14:20 miseducated it's got worse worse worse so all i want to do and here's my question now that you 612 1:14:20 --> 1:14:27 have this just think about this you don't have to tell me what will you do with this information 613 1:14:27 --> 1:14:33 i have yet to hear back from anybody like you that i've given this information to what did you go out 614 1:14:33 --> 1:14:39 and do with it i would like you to so i agree with john it's difficult for someone like my 615 1:14:39 --> 1:14:45 lead to understand that they suddenly are in a position to really upset the paradigm because 616 1:14:45 --> 1:14:52 she's worried about her suspension but to actually realize it quickly enough to to kind of recover 617 1:14:52 --> 1:14:57 from the shock and hang on hang on stephen wait wait wait wait i think it's very important what 618 1:14:57 --> 1:15:03 you say john that's why i was going to go down another angle stephen you you'll have your 619 1:15:03 --> 1:15:10 comments later but i want to take john to stephen i want the views on what john said and i want the 620 1:15:10 --> 1:15:18 group to suggest this my lead john says this and i agree and stephen would agree become an extreme 621 1:15:18 --> 1:15:23 advocate activist okay that was the words write that down and you are doing that 622 1:15:23 --> 1:15:31 i have i have yep i made uh i post all over my social media that uh symbolically i'm activist i 623 1:15:32 --> 1:15:39 i'm at the steps of town hall in sydney town hall every week i um they i have my 624 1:15:39 --> 1:15:46 picture my photo in fact the team that i'm working with um they're very very kind um so 625 1:15:46 --> 1:15:52 i'm going to have a big poster that they've made a big poster and they're going to put it up in the 626 1:15:52 --> 1:15:59 town hall we're going to have a rally outside the here at the tribunal every day at every uh for the 627 1:15:59 --> 1:16:05 next four days so my hearing goes for four days and before the hearing starts we have a rally 628 1:16:05 --> 1:16:13 outside and uh the tribunal for one hour so excellent brilliant john come on what's extreme 629 1:16:13 --> 1:16:19 activism because my lee's doing some great work there yeah john and other people other people put 630 1:16:19 --> 1:16:24 in the chat please because my lee will get the benefit of this chat of what else my league can 631 1:16:25 --> 1:16:30 do i've suggested you ride down george street sydney naked on a horse but that's another you 632 1:16:30 --> 1:16:36 know get along here john come on and steven what else can my lee do to be an extreme activist and 633 1:16:36 --> 1:16:44 jerry as well put them in the chat john come out as a doctor and say i have been fooled my whole 634 1:16:44 --> 1:16:53 life these people suckered me damn it right and and just you know most of the look everything 635 1:16:53 --> 1:16:59 that i've ever been told oh your cholesterol is too high oh your blood pressure is this oh eat 636 1:16:59 --> 1:17:05 this don't eat that this is harmful this is not harmful i've read so many medical papers in a 637 1:17:05 --> 1:17:11 couple of years nobody saw me for like two years right and i was reading the most intense stuff 638 1:17:11 --> 1:17:15 and i had to get experts and i had them they came to me and they you know tutored me and all kinds 639 1:17:15 --> 1:17:21 of you know discipline so i could just interpret the vocabulary for credit life it's all crap 640 1:17:21 --> 1:17:28 medical papers are crap if you're not looking at something that was pre you know a hundred years 641 1:17:28 --> 1:17:34 ago your chances of reading some crap in that is you know it's probably 80 percent crap and 642 1:17:35 --> 1:17:41 20 percent useful and you can't make sense of it i mean even even professionals are just misled 643 1:17:41 --> 1:17:47 constantly so i i came and this was a hard-earned opinion don't read medical papers throw them out 644 1:17:47 --> 1:17:52 burn the entire pile screw it start over with a blank sheet of paper because that's the only 645 1:17:52 --> 1:17:59 way i got anything done um it's deep and there's no point sifting through it so just i don't know 646 1:17:59 --> 1:18:06 be that guy i wanted to see that guy emerge you know so john so john come back this activist 647 1:18:06 --> 1:18:11 that you know that's myley's personal actions now the issue with myley is that she wants to 648 1:18:12 --> 1:18:19 practice medicine and of course that's a trap where's john there is that illegal 649 1:18:20 --> 1:18:22 and promote it like a speakeasy 650 1:18:25 --> 1:18:30 well what she needs to do charles is change public opinion that's what she needs to do like we 651 1:18:30 --> 1:18:36 changed it with david kelly but we didn't realize we were doing that at the time yeah and john and 652 1:18:36 --> 1:18:43 steven john is saying if myley stands up says i'm a try i'm an experienced doctor i have been lied 653 1:18:43 --> 1:18:51 to by the system you know i have been defrauded by the system i have been defrauded by the medical 654 1:18:51 --> 1:18:58 insurers yes yes absolutely charles so it's a case of myley identifying with others maybe 655 1:18:59 --> 1:19:05 the points that the government doesn't want to hear and the weakest points and then repeating 656 1:19:05 --> 1:19:11 so i would say myley that your best line is to say that you escaped from the killing fields 657 1:19:12 --> 1:19:19 of of cambodia a dictatorship in a small boat very risky journey i imagine across the indian ocean 658 1:19:19 --> 1:19:28 to australia and and you end up in another tyranny and there was no pandemic and covid 19 diagnosis 659 1:19:28 --> 1:19:35 was a fraudulent diagnosis whether whether um clinically clinically or by test and um and 660 1:19:35 --> 1:19:40 draw attention to kerry mullis's death in august 2019 he was the inventor of the pcr 661 1:19:41 --> 1:19:46 or yeah inventor of the pcr technique um he won the noble prize for it so 662 1:19:47 --> 1:19:52 you know we can discuss it but uh you could do a scatter gun approach but it depends how 663 1:19:53 --> 1:19:57 you know what your family and your friends around you um but don't listen to them too much if 664 1:19:57 --> 1:20:07 you feel brave i would say that the best thing you can do is be very direct um and um uh to show 665 1:20:07 --> 1:20:15 absolutely no fear and not accept their paradigm or their system or their damn tribunal when there's 666 1:20:15 --> 1:20:22 fraud because the fraud negates everything that they're saying yes you need to concentrate on 667 1:20:22 --> 1:20:28 that fraud i think yeah listen you have to reduce your message to bumper stickers they're using 668 1:20:28 --> 1:20:32 propaganda to send their message so i mean i'll give you an example i made a bumper sticker once 669 1:20:32 --> 1:20:37 it just said corona i was trying to i was just discussing that exactly that trying to identify 670 1:20:37 --> 1:20:44 the single most important thing that my league can highlight to win over the public so that's 671 1:20:44 --> 1:20:50 the aim win over the public and and change public opinion so and that probably doesn't 672 1:20:50 --> 1:20:56 yeah that's this capital for instance davin that's very interesting that's an interesting 673 1:20:56 --> 1:21:01 angle i reckon that's right my lee you know yours it's a compelling story a double tyranny you've 674 1:21:01 --> 1:21:10 suffered yeah i mean you have to use the way you have to look at the way that they communicate the 675 1:21:10 --> 1:21:16 message oh stop the spread two weeks to you know flatten the curve all right everything that they 676 1:21:16 --> 1:21:21 do fits on a bumper sticker all right and we gotta have look i come up with these off the cuff 677 1:21:21 --> 1:21:26 constantly they're great you know i have a whole blog this tens of thousands of pages long like a 678 1:21:26 --> 1:21:31 toilet paper roll documented this entire thing oh they're just skim look look at crap you know on 679 1:21:31 --> 1:21:40 there for a while get some ideas i'm full of ideas i was out there you know creating like a clown in 680 1:21:40 --> 1:21:46 full view uh just you know humbugging the entire thing stores were closing will let me in 681 1:21:46 --> 1:21:52 wear your mask oh fuck off you know you know here's your card you know that comedian you know you're 682 1:21:52 --> 1:21:57 stupid here's your card you should wear a sign that guy i was that guy and i did ridiculous things 683 1:21:57 --> 1:22:03 but i got attention and people noticed me and i would not be ignored and i would not be deterred 684 1:22:03 --> 1:22:10 and sometimes i was an asshole i learned you can't really get dick you have to you know don't don't 685 1:22:10 --> 1:22:17 attack people just attack the fame the big glob and just say no stop it will you it's silly 686 1:22:21 --> 1:22:31 yeah yeah i i think i like that idea bumper stickers my lee and and steven's strategy 687 1:22:31 --> 1:22:38 and and jerry i will organize a three-way conversation and i'll organize a conversation 688 1:22:38 --> 1:22:47 with john as well my lee offline we will um explore some interesting angles i'm totally 689 1:22:47 --> 1:22:52 by the way they you know i have no income i haven't had income for years since i started talking 690 1:22:52 --> 1:22:58 but i would spend my last dollar on a sticker that says fuck you like a thousand of them just 691 1:22:58 --> 1:23:07 stick them everywhere because that's how i am you know keep it yes it's it's it's very interesting 692 1:23:07 --> 1:23:17 mona in terms of your mindset in terms of your mindset um are you thinking 693 1:23:18 --> 1:23:25 i just want to go back into the system that's been out to destroy you i mean you know i know 694 1:23:25 --> 1:23:31 you want to practice medicine but or health but see the practice of medicine is not the practice 695 1:23:31 --> 1:23:36 of health we've got a lot of people here who are holistic practitioners who laugh at the medical 696 1:23:36 --> 1:23:43 system as does john and what you've been taught so my question is your mindset on this do you want 697 1:23:43 --> 1:23:48 to get back to practicing a gp in the medicare system in australia is that what you want to do 698 1:23:48 --> 1:23:57 do well charles i was going to give it up before the pandemic came but i'm fighting this um because 699 1:23:57 --> 1:24:05 i i i'm really telling telling them that i have no right to take to cancel my license i have not done 700 1:24:05 --> 1:24:11 anything wrong and so whether i practice this not is none of their business uh but they have no rights 701 1:24:11 --> 1:24:17 to take it away that i have not done anything to warrant a cancellation um to justify a cancellation 702 1:24:17 --> 1:24:26 of my license so i you know i i'm in this fight to expose the lies more than fighting for my 703 1:24:26 --> 1:24:32 license but i know they've they've done everything to try and destroy me and they couldn't they can't 704 1:24:32 --> 1:24:39 even though they're doing what they're doing now uh because i'm exposing them all the time and they 705 1:24:39 --> 1:24:43 i don't know what they're going to do to me but they i like like i agree they they scared of me 706 1:24:44 --> 1:24:52 so i served the um the health minister yesterday with all these case laws and and the lies and 707 1:24:52 --> 1:25:00 about this um expert witness and i'm i'm making it public i'm telling my audience what i'm doing 708 1:25:00 --> 1:25:06 all the time so there's a lot of interest in my case oh that's a very good tactic by the way 709 1:25:06 --> 1:25:13 to publish everything we did that with yeah yeah yeah they're terrified of what everything 710 1:25:13 --> 1:25:19 everything you say it gets published every letter you write publish it and then they're terrified 711 1:25:19 --> 1:25:25 of replying to it and then you can get them for not replying yes yes they have done that so the 712 1:25:25 --> 1:25:34 president of the tribunal apologized to me um because i i written to her that i told her that 713 1:25:34 --> 1:25:42 she's interfering with um the judicial system and uh my uh my my legal process and she's scared 714 1:25:42 --> 1:25:47 and she did write to me that she won't write to me again but i wrote to her yesterday and i um 715 1:25:48 --> 1:25:56 served i hadn't delivered that to the tribunal yesterday you know such a lot of apologize to 716 1:25:56 --> 1:26:03 you she should declare her her um court null and void i would have thought what do you think joss 717 1:26:05 --> 1:26:09 that's a bit that's a bit technical just hold that thought john what we're gonna say 718 1:26:09 --> 1:26:17 do you know who sasha lotta pova is and katherine why did i do what great evidence but you know my 719 1:26:17 --> 1:26:24 point about that is kind of conflicted because she's kind of saying you know go into the legal 720 1:26:24 --> 1:26:28 system and use this effectively but you can't because it's rigged and stacked against you 721 1:26:28 --> 1:26:35 you'll get a clue to slap you in the face at the end of it right so i don't know really helpful 722 1:26:35 --> 1:26:41 but it's good information you know it's very good information and you don't have to do it it's all 723 1:26:41 --> 1:26:48 there i mean it's a it's a unbelievable archive of crime they're legalizing crime they're redefining 724 1:26:50 --> 1:26:53 you could put that evidence in your bundle that'll keep them busy for a while 725 1:26:54 --> 1:26:59 it'll keep them really busy and i mean it's documented it's the u.s government that is 726 1:26:59 --> 1:27:06 killing and murdering and genociding people right i mean how have you got that can you send that to 727 1:27:06 --> 1:27:11 me i uh i like them to keep them busy like you say that sounds good i like that she's got a 728 1:27:11 --> 1:27:18 subset my leg can you put my leg can you put your um email for everybody email address put your email 729 1:27:18 --> 1:27:25 into the put your email in the chat i can send me email i'll respond to you i'll give you all kinds 730 1:27:25 --> 1:27:29 of stuff i think it's my lee i think you've got a wonderful opportunity here because you don't 731 1:27:29 --> 1:27:36 seem to be afraid of them at all that's great um and um and you said that you don't really i don't 732 1:27:36 --> 1:27:44 think you can fit into that system any more than i could eventually i came out in 2021 and told and 733 1:27:44 --> 1:27:50 withdrew my first my license and then my registration because i didn't want these 734 1:27:50 --> 1:27:56 bastards at the general medical council in the united kingdom to be snapping at my heels and 735 1:27:56 --> 1:28:02 stopping me from saying the things which i knew i have to say because they were inventing complaints 736 1:28:02 --> 1:28:10 against me in the general medical council they had an they had an anonymous person who was lodging 737 1:28:10 --> 1:28:15 the complaint against me about what i can't even remember what it was about it's some ridiculous 738 1:28:15 --> 1:28:23 thing um um covid related and this person was actually speaking on behalf of being spoken for 739 1:28:23 --> 1:28:30 on behalf of someone else who was named but nobody could find so it's the same story as yours 740 1:28:33 --> 1:28:44 invented complaints yes yeah they this is lawfare you know yes create a case out of thin air just to 741 1:28:44 --> 1:28:49 create um there was a guy who listened to i can't remember his name right now but he was very good 742 1:28:49 --> 1:28:58 at describing this um a a way in the u.s to create like a shadow or or a captured branch of 743 1:28:58 --> 1:29:06 government like a shadow legislature using the judiciary to impose precedents that then become 744 1:29:06 --> 1:29:13 law subvert the entire process so they are impotent and so stop listening to them okay to have no 745 1:29:13 --> 1:29:19 power okay they just create havoc that's their job now and yeah you know i just i'm down on the 746 1:29:19 --> 1:29:25 whole system because you know in it's taken 200 years but they took the original constitution 747 1:29:25 --> 1:29:32 united states and completely gutted it now it's worthless so go out complain about your rights if 748 1:29:32 --> 1:29:36 you want to you don't have any because they say you don't have it that's what it comes down to 749 1:29:36 --> 1:29:40 you gotta make it real again some of these people are gonna be shot in the face i'm sorry to say 750 1:29:40 --> 1:29:47 but they do they will not stop because i cannot back up you know and it's it's tragic man but 751 1:29:47 --> 1:29:55 you know aristotle put it in polity what's going on now you have you have a devolution into 752 1:29:55 --> 1:30:02 oligarchy from whatever you started with and that is a one-way street 3600 years of history and 753 1:30:02 --> 1:30:08 nobody has proved him wrong and it never backs up it just destroys itself and you got to start over 754 1:30:08 --> 1:30:14 it's a blank sheet of paper right you gotta start over so fuck this system it's all so i could 755 1:30:15 --> 1:30:27 yeah so my lee um so i and uh uh i'm in malik uh i'm one of the two doctors i know he's done the 756 1:30:27 --> 1:30:32 same thing withdrew from the general medical council because it was too dangerous to stay in 757 1:30:33 --> 1:30:38 not too dangerous it wasn't that but i certainly didn't want them snapping at my heels and taking 758 1:30:38 --> 1:30:45 my time answering uh ridiculous complaints you know so i came out but the point is that so we 759 1:30:45 --> 1:30:51 weren't cancelled we cancelled ourselves but we were deprived of our professions so we had been 760 1:30:51 --> 1:30:57 fraudulently led down a path which led to 2020 and the medical profession doing all the wrong things 761 1:30:57 --> 1:31:03 and one of these days i'll write a letter to the times and to the general medical council and pass 762 1:31:03 --> 1:31:08 it on to the times and they'll pat and they'll publish it but i haven't got the time at the 763 1:31:08 --> 1:31:16 moment because i'm organizing these meetings so show no fear is my advice they hate it they're 764 1:31:16 --> 1:31:22 terrifying on my lead especially with your background of the killing field of cambodia 765 1:31:26 --> 1:31:32 yeah you survived that you survived the australian version so what i think you also should think 766 1:31:32 --> 1:31:39 about is maybe we're living now through a cultural revolution very much similar not exactly the same 767 1:31:39 --> 1:31:47 obviously but similar to mao zedong's cultural revolution in china 1966 to 1976 complete with 768 1:31:47 --> 1:31:54 propaganda censorship things which don't make any sense at all and that's the point you destabilize 769 1:31:54 --> 1:32:00 human beings best by exposing them to stuff constantly which does not make sense it's 770 1:32:00 --> 1:32:06 psychological torture to any human being they did it deliberately are doing it deliberately 771 1:32:07 --> 1:32:13 it's a cultural revolution yeah and you know about cultural revolution i presume because of 772 1:32:13 --> 1:32:21 cambodia yeah yes so you can bring it into the mix and then have to have to answer your 773 1:32:21 --> 1:32:27 observations about that because you know they want to be culturally um you know correct politically 774 1:32:27 --> 1:32:35 correct um yeah very good they're not done with this yet i mean they're destroying the u.s 775 1:32:35 --> 1:32:41 when we fall its all bets are off it's now or never you know it's never never 776 1:32:43 --> 1:32:49 treason in the u.s treason in the uk look at kia starmer my prime in our prime minister 777 1:32:50 --> 1:32:57 he's a complete crazy guy he's got absolutely no charisma whatsoever considering 778 1:32:57 --> 1:33:02 he was supposed to be a politician he couldn't he can't even lead his own family i won't go into 779 1:33:02 --> 1:33:10 detail so how on earth could he lead the nation i feel like sometimes like a mouse that's getting 780 1:33:10 --> 1:33:16 screwed with by a giant cat or 12 of them right because that's what they've created here and 781 1:33:16 --> 1:33:24 and i mean you're i tell people you know when it comes to medical advice there are no doctors 782 1:33:24 --> 1:33:31 at all you're on your own figure it out send your own whatever i mean there are no experts 783 1:33:31 --> 1:33:40 there are no doctors turn it off right they're all supplied just to just to make it a career 784 1:33:40 --> 1:33:47 choice to learn what's wrong just take a year what's wrong oh my god nobody has this kind of 785 1:33:47 --> 1:33:54 time i i write books i can't even talk they censor me i mean christ what does an author do when they 786 1:33:54 --> 1:33:58 take his career away what do you do when they take your career away frankly you never have one okay 787 1:33:58 --> 1:34:05 they gave you a bunch of bullshit but you know but me i just can't i can't talk to people i'm 788 1:34:05 --> 1:34:13 censored beyond belief i can't even live in my own website is that ridiculous you know censored 789 1:34:13 --> 1:34:21 here john well you know what just crazy when i i don't use social media just quick just find 790 1:34:21 --> 1:34:27 something else when i want to get in touch with a prominent figure i gotta send a certified mail 791 1:34:28 --> 1:34:35 letter that gets to them my email is totally unreliable i've been trying to touch with people 792 1:34:35 --> 1:34:40 for years they think it's worthless you know you're just not important i'm just not important 793 1:34:40 --> 1:34:47 but i kind of am because i know things you know what i mean and i'm amazed at what i've been like 794 1:34:47 --> 1:34:53 just the reach i've been able to have by brute force you know and that's how i'm doing it and 795 1:34:53 --> 1:35:02 i'm tired man i'm really tired i'm gonna answer emails and do you think um so i'm not um this 796 1:35:02 --> 1:35:07 isn't a kind of make or break question but in your opinion as a medical doctor in australia 797 1:35:08 --> 1:35:12 do you think there was a pandemic was there a pandemic or wasn't there a pandemic 798 1:35:13 --> 1:35:22 um so i so i treated covid patients um how did you know they were how did you know they were 799 1:35:22 --> 1:35:32 covered patients so mildly so they the symptoms were um i mean they it's it's a 800 1:35:33 --> 1:35:42 it it's very different from a normal virus well i'm not sure that that was put about and a lot 801 1:35:42 --> 1:35:49 of doctors say that but uh so i'm not surprised to say that but honestly i i was saying from the 802 1:35:49 --> 1:35:55 beginning almost that you know this diagnosis was fraudulent and the pcr test was fraudulent 803 1:35:55 --> 1:36:01 yes i agree with with you on all that i don't have no issue with that but there is the virus 804 1:36:01 --> 1:36:10 there was no symptom and um i mean okay it's not you know the fatality rate wasn't as high as they 805 1:36:10 --> 1:36:17 made it to be uh but they create a situation where people are not treated so there's more debt so 806 1:36:17 --> 1:36:24 that they could justify whatever they're doing and also this they falsify seeing the covid death 807 1:36:24 --> 1:36:31 to drive up the numbers so uh i mean to say there's no virus i disagree with that no i didn't say 808 1:36:31 --> 1:36:38 there's no virus i said there was no reliable diagnosis there was no yes correct there was no 809 1:36:39 --> 1:36:46 which was pathognomonic for covid 19 and interestingly and interestingly pneumonia 810 1:36:46 --> 1:36:55 and the common cold disappeared uh pneumonia and flu disappeared um and uh you know so they're not 811 1:36:55 --> 1:37:02 in the statistics apparently in 2020 but covid is and i'm thinking whoa you know there was no i can't 812 1:37:02 --> 1:37:09 think of a single symptom of covid 19 alleged symptom which was pathognomonic for covid 19 813 1:37:10 --> 1:37:16 so that tells me there was no covid 19 they do this all the time and you got to understand 814 1:37:16 --> 1:37:22 something it's you're being a little set up with the no virus crowd and jj couy hits it on the head 815 1:37:22 --> 1:37:27 over and over and over again he made this point about that argument you can't just say there's no 816 1:37:27 --> 1:37:33 and win yes i believe that there's no viruses okay they there was never a disease there was 817 1:37:33 --> 1:37:39 never a pandemic they wanted an excuse to poison you with an injection in the way that they would 818 1:37:39 --> 1:37:45 take hold and decimate the population as a slow burn that's the truth it's another level of this 819 1:37:45 --> 1:37:52 thing what jj says is if you say that there's no viruses you have to then explain all the literature 820 1:37:52 --> 1:37:58 that's built up about them over the years and it's an endless test you can't do it you have to go 821 1:37:58 --> 1:38:02 all the way back to the original mistake which was germ theory it's wrong okay there are no 822 1:38:02 --> 1:38:10 contagions get it out of your head then explain all the nitpicky issues but it's a slog right 823 1:38:10 --> 1:38:18 what he says if you accept no virus as the win uh you then have to you're left with one option 824 1:38:18 --> 1:38:24 to revert back to the original understanding you have before that which was spirits and demons 825 1:38:25 --> 1:38:31 okay so nobody's gonna accept spirits and demons except people in the south over here um it's hard 826 1:38:31 --> 1:38:36 it's it you gotta just say look viruses is crap their explanations the whole thing 50 years 100 827 1:38:36 --> 1:38:42 years of it crap and you gotta get current and you gotta look at it from where it started the 828 1:38:42 --> 1:38:47 root of the poisonous tree is Rockefeller medicine so your bumper sticker is Rockefeller is dead 829 1:38:47 --> 1:38:59 leave him lie if you know you gotta start fresh you can't build on so my Lee in my opinion as 830 1:38:59 --> 1:39:03 medical doctors we are allowed to hypothesize we're allowed to have a medical opinion my medical 831 1:39:03 --> 1:39:09 opinion was not only that there was no pandemic but the pandemics are not possible we were taught 832 1:39:09 --> 1:39:16 at medical school that a deadly virus kills its host and I asked the uh immunologist professor 833 1:39:16 --> 1:39:22 immunology at the time as quick I said does that mean that pandemics are impossible he said very 834 1:39:22 --> 1:39:28 good steven I had no idea why he said very good at the time I now understand why he might have said 835 1:39:28 --> 1:39:35 that and might have suspected what he knew they were going to do i.e. destroy immunology the 836 1:39:35 --> 1:39:42 immunologists take away their status as the kings of medicine if you like and and replace them with 837 1:39:42 --> 1:39:49 virologists do you see so that they could and evidence-based medicine and genomics and all the 838 1:39:49 --> 1:39:55 rest of it you know so that we're all saying oh how wonderful all this science is you know and then 839 1:39:55 --> 1:40:00 we lose sight of the fraud and then they're able to do what they did in 2020 and that's it that's 840 1:40:00 --> 1:40:07 what I think happened and we need to be we need to be really um we kind of cancel everything and then 841 1:40:07 --> 1:40:13 say what do we really know well we don't really know very much do we I don't even know now whether 842 1:40:13 --> 1:40:18 it's 93 million miles to the sun I always thought it was but wasn't around about that 843 1:40:19 --> 1:40:29 they they they're very clever this is consummate elite psychopathy behavior you study you know 844 1:40:29 --> 1:40:33 psychopaths and how they're diagnosed and what's wrong with them that's different that makes them 845 1:40:33 --> 1:40:40 different this is the big club that george carlin used to talk about their psychos okay and they 846 1:40:40 --> 1:40:46 just have no remorse they can't tell right from wrong for some reason they have no empathy and so 847 1:40:46 --> 1:40:54 the relentless pursuit of profit entertains them and they compete and we just get get run over by 848 1:40:54 --> 1:41:00 this and they deceive like nobody can deceive I mean it's unbelievable you almost have to think 849 1:41:00 --> 1:41:05 like them and I have a hard time doing it but if I can put myself in the mindset long enough 850 1:41:05 --> 1:41:09 I can get to the bottom of any other crap and I do it over and over and over again 851 1:41:09 --> 1:41:14 psychopaths are the problem there's a test that they diagnose psychopaths for and I've argued 852 1:41:15 --> 1:41:21 that should be given as a prerequisite to every single politician and if they fail it you can't 853 1:41:21 --> 1:41:27 run oh I can think of another expert witness you should have Mikey Eden 854 1:41:27 --> 1:41:36 I think it's too close to my hearing now so I've got all right yeah well you could ask for an 855 1:41:36 --> 1:41:41 adjournment we did that all the time no they won't they won't let me have an adjournment 856 1:41:43 --> 1:41:55 they um my my last hearing my hearing initially was scheduled for um July um they gave me a legal 857 1:41:55 --> 1:42:02 team that was working against me and it's I mean I'm very fortunate to to to have a hearing 858 1:42:02 --> 1:42:07 adjourned till now so there's there's no way they're going to grant me any adjournment unless 859 1:42:07 --> 1:42:12 there's something very you know they'll grant an adjournment if you wanted to introduce 860 1:42:12 --> 1:42:20 secret back to you as one of your expert witnesses and mike eden and if they don't then yeah he's 861 1:42:20 --> 1:42:25 got a mission he's got a singular mission he wants to show everybody this proof that he has 862 1:42:25 --> 1:42:31 and it's good proof it's good proof it's like it took two years for Sasha Wadapobina to find my 863 1:42:31 --> 1:42:35 book even though I put it in her hand when she came to this group my case is about other mcdon 864 1:42:35 --> 1:42:43 more than the virus um okay they're charging me for ignoring the national task force guideline 865 1:42:44 --> 1:42:51 for babies well the national task force were imposing a fraud on the australian people 866 1:42:51 --> 1:43:01 yes so you should say that in court okay yeah the national tech the national task force guidelines 867 1:43:01 --> 1:43:06 they were actively working against the state of australia or the country of australia whatever it 868 1:43:06 --> 1:43:13 is um they were committing treason and they were doing it in all the countries of the world just 869 1:43:13 --> 1:43:20 about taking out their own countries so another thing it's god it seems to be that god family 870 1:43:20 --> 1:43:28 country this is the they want to take those three things away from people they want to take people 871 1:43:28 --> 1:43:35 away from their humanity by the means of destroying country destroying family destroying the church 872 1:43:35 --> 1:43:41 god whatever you like because they're terrified of real i'm not a christian myself although i'm 873 1:43:41 --> 1:43:48 getting there maybe um i think they're really terrified of the spirituality which exists in 874 1:43:48 --> 1:43:55 churches throughout anything steven they're not they're not intimidated by us at all we have to 875 1:43:55 --> 1:44:03 take no they are they if we were clever we would be writing letters of warning to these people 876 1:44:03 --> 1:44:09 all the time but unfortunately people are not very um uh they don't want to work and don't 877 1:44:09 --> 1:44:14 want to take responsibility and they're too lazy and charles and i can't do it all on our own or 878 1:44:15 --> 1:44:23 yeah i i um i've motivated a lot of my followers to write to them and then i post the letter 879 1:44:23 --> 1:44:31 on social media so yeah that's been because i think they do take notice of what the public saying 880 1:44:32 --> 1:44:37 absolutely they do this terrified of the public janet is a doctor in the uk and she's got a hand 881 1:44:37 --> 1:44:51 up janet janet what's your name i can't remember sorry janet janet's unmuted herself janet we can't 882 1:44:51 --> 1:44:52 hear you 883 1:44:57 --> 1:45:02 janet we we can't hear you i don't know what's wrong 884 1:45:05 --> 1:45:10 and steven we can't see you janet you probably need to go out and then come back in again 885 1:45:10 --> 1:45:17 anybody else got any points ronald you can oh you're on your motorbike well maybe 886 1:45:18 --> 1:45:21 um ronald if you've got any religious points you'd like to make 887 1:45:24 --> 1:45:30 no he's on his bike you can't possibly talk i can i could add something i don't think 888 1:45:30 --> 1:45:36 i don't think it's really all right i'm gonna i'm gonna you know i try not to talk about religious 889 1:45:36 --> 1:45:42 i don't go to church i don't subscribe to anything all right i just live okay and i 890 1:45:42 --> 1:45:45 don't concern myself with any of that so i don't get admired down those discussions i don't think 891 1:45:45 --> 1:45:50 religion is very important i don't know i know a lot of people do but it doesn't matter what you 892 1:45:50 --> 1:45:55 believe in i think that the the core to every good religion that you know it's not a cult or something 893 1:45:55 --> 1:46:02 it's just it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a cult it's not a 894 1:46:02 --> 1:46:07 good religion that you know it's not a cult or something it's just natural law study natural law 895 1:46:07 --> 1:46:15 and do that and observe whatever religious you know system floats your boat and don't bother me 896 1:46:15 --> 1:46:20 with it if i don't want to get indoctrinated into it that's all i've been you know subscribing to a 897 1:46:20 --> 1:46:26 bunch of them over time my mom's a devout catholic i've always heard about that but it's like they use 898 1:46:26 --> 1:46:33 they use whatever your core beliefs are to screw you so don't have any you know just leave it aside 899 1:46:33 --> 1:46:40 it's a personal thing like it should be you know and do what you want to i mean that's just my take 900 1:46:40 --> 1:46:49 on it and the people that are guilty they are the richest people you can find nearest to you always 901 1:46:49 --> 1:46:57 always because the psychopath rises to the top of any pile by hook or crook those are the days 902 1:46:57 --> 1:47:04 wherever you are all right speak they lie come on we got this where where that's a great 903 1:47:04 --> 1:47:09 commerce we'll have a conversation about religion um jen is not talking steven i think we can call 904 1:47:09 --> 1:47:15 we can call early finish today you can get to sleep um mylee i will organize conversations with 905 1:47:15 --> 1:47:24 john and with jerry and um that's what i think we should do steve no chance let's just see whether 906 1:47:24 --> 1:47:33 jan is there is she there now she's not if you go off and come back in you might you you might 907 1:47:34 --> 1:47:40 cure the problem now in terms mylee i've got some thoughts we'll talk about what to be 908 1:47:41 --> 1:47:47 i had become an extreme activist more thoughts so that's what i really want to explore with you 909 1:47:47 --> 1:47:53 and i think you've done a fantastic job in fighting in fighting for um what you have so far so 910 1:47:55 --> 1:48:01 steven you know come on we can we can go to bed early or mylee yeah okay other things too 911 1:48:02 --> 1:48:09 yeah are you going to bed now in australia no i um no all right morning 912 1:48:10 --> 1:48:15 all right so my lead you know charles is very devoted to this group he used to get up at five 913 1:48:15 --> 1:48:21 o'clock in the morning he's done that for three or four winters now four thirty four thirty steven 914 1:48:21 --> 1:48:26 so we could start yeah that's what i call commitment yes that's why he's the moderator 915 1:48:28 --> 1:48:35 all right tom's got his hand up tom okay um yeah with respect to the after meetings we 916 1:48:35 --> 1:48:41 we can use the you know the telegram meeting to if people have ideas for organizing and 917 1:48:42 --> 1:48:48 if the guest wants to join that would be great i'm i just keep the door open often there's 918 1:48:49 --> 1:48:54 only one or two people that show up but i try to make at least i try to hang out there so you know 919 1:48:54 --> 1:49:01 we're talking about what we can do and so it's a place to brainstorm and because there's so few 920 1:49:01 --> 1:49:08 people that join you know it's uh it's an open forum so i'll put the link in again 921 1:49:09 --> 1:49:13 tom you don't want to advertise the fact that so few people join because then they don't come 922 1:49:14 --> 1:49:20 no actually i think that might be uh you know if for shy people right that's a plus you don't have 923 1:49:20 --> 1:49:28 to go you know worry about anyhow i've said enough good okay thank you tom to the guest 924 1:49:28 --> 1:49:29 all right let's try janet 925 1:49:33 --> 1:49:36 no can't hear him janet even though you're unmuted 926 1:49:37 --> 1:49:41 janet can put a question in the in the chat because she usually asks good questions 927 1:49:43 --> 1:49:43 janet 928 1:49:45 --> 1:49:54 oh okay now we're going my lee thank you so much for coming on and uh did anybody ask you about 929 1:49:54 --> 1:49:59 or did you so i was a bit late coming on and i may have missed the the boat journey from 930 1:49:59 --> 1:50:06 cambodia um you were five years old then no 12 years old well yeah uh there was something in 931 1:50:06 --> 1:50:13 your bio about when you were five years old what was that the killing fields yes so my my mom um 932 1:50:14 --> 1:50:22 i left cambodia and came to live in vietnam um just before the marush came to power 933 1:50:22 --> 1:50:31 and i lost my mom after that your mom was left in cambodia yes my parents and two other sisters 934 1:50:31 --> 1:50:40 were in cambodia so how did you get out to vietnam were you sent out or yeah i was sent out by my 935 1:50:40 --> 1:50:49 my mom my my parents sent me out to live in vietnam with my auntie i see but they kept the two your 936 1:50:50 --> 1:50:59 two sisters yes the two older sisters so one older and one younger so they yeah so they lived 937 1:50:59 --> 1:51:10 through the kamarush and um but when um in 79 when the kamarush regime ended uh with the vietnamese 938 1:51:10 --> 1:51:19 invade in cambodia um they um my my elder sister sent um some people to to fetch my mom 939 1:51:20 --> 1:51:27 my dad sorry and my two siblings yeah so then they came to live in vietnam but we're all here now in 940 1:51:27 --> 1:51:35 simi yeah but was your mother killed by the kamarush yes she was killed by the kamarush she was 941 1:51:35 --> 1:51:43 reported by someone in the in the village we live in out of jealousy 942 1:51:44 --> 1:51:51 um you know anyone can dock in anyone um she did nothing wrong they're just jealous of her because 943 1:51:51 --> 1:52:00 she's rich and she's successful um and what did they accuse her of doing oh you don't want to say 944 1:52:00 --> 1:52:07 maybe um no no she didn't well you don't have to this you don't have to justify anything 945 1:52:07 --> 1:52:16 anyone can dock anyone in and um so this you know what kind of things were the kamarush interested 946 1:52:16 --> 1:52:22 in that's what i'm trying to well well the thing is that you if you're educated if you're rich if 947 1:52:22 --> 1:52:34 you you know if you wear glasses if you just just anything any excuse to um um to go after you so 948 1:52:36 --> 1:52:42 they they uh i mean this nothing is justice they just 949 1:52:44 --> 1:52:48 if someone doesn't like you and they report you you're in trouble that that kind of thing 950 1:52:48 --> 1:52:55 um that um idea of doping you know they encourage the doping of people 951 1:52:59 --> 1:53:06 what's doping well it's just like during covid you adopt your neighbor doing this wrong that wrong 952 1:53:06 --> 1:53:14 that kind of thing trivial things but that's to to cause division in society to create to generate 953 1:53:14 --> 1:53:16 fear absolutely yeah 954 1:53:18 --> 1:53:26 and so they can pose tyranny on people and justify mistreatment of people so do you know 955 1:53:26 --> 1:53:34 anything about the kamarush what was was that a cultural revolution in in cambodia um no i think 956 1:53:34 --> 1:53:41 i think uh i mean i i don't know a lot about it but um um what happened is that during that time 957 1:53:41 --> 1:53:52 cambodia um i mean cambodia has always been um a country with uh with a lot of wealth with a lot of 958 1:53:56 --> 1:54:03 with a lot of you know uh that a lot of wealth and a lot of richness in culture and all that but 959 1:54:03 --> 1:54:10 what happened during the vietnam war is that the there was a lot of bombing the american were bombing 960 1:54:10 --> 1:54:19 the um the vietnamese the vipcon uh but the vietnamese in the north what happened is that 961 1:54:19 --> 1:54:28 they went through the south via cambodia and so that the vietnamese the the american were bombing 962 1:54:28 --> 1:54:36 cambodia um because they were trying to get to vietnamese but what did that did was it stabilized 963 1:54:36 --> 1:54:43 a destabilized cambodia and as a result this you know this this group of um 964 1:54:45 --> 1:54:52 socialist i think they're more socialist um that the kamarush came into power because the country 965 1:54:52 --> 1:55:02 started to um sort of destroyed by by by by the american bombing yeah and i think cambodia was the 966 1:55:02 --> 1:55:07 most holds the record for being the most bombed country in the world yes 967 1:55:08 --> 1:55:12 uh ahead of population i think it is or is it area i can't quite remember 968 1:55:13 --> 1:55:20 yes so kissinger um ordered the bombing and the carpet bombing so just there's so much bombing 969 1:55:20 --> 1:55:28 on a regular basis over a period of time and um the the country just get got destroyed by that 970 1:55:28 --> 1:55:31 um 971 1:55:35 --> 1:55:42 even um janet's question is in the chat and she maybe she may have her microphone working i just 972 1:55:42 --> 1:55:48 want to let you know all right well alaska wants to ask the question now as well so is janet are 973 1:55:48 --> 1:55:57 you there janet uh nope so i'm reading the question 974 1:55:58 --> 1:56:02 now of janet's question oh janet's background 975 1:56:07 --> 1:56:13 janet's got a problem with a microphone i think okay she's asking about the symptoms of covert 976 1:56:13 --> 1:56:20 patients um so they generally cold symptoms but they're a lot more severe um people had a lot of 977 1:56:21 --> 1:56:35 so there's sore throat um huffing um muscle pain um high fever um so so all the common um symptoms 978 1:56:35 --> 1:56:42 of the flu of cold but it's a lot lot more severe people were just really really sick 979 1:56:42 --> 1:56:49 um and almost every single one of them even those who are young and who doesn't have any 980 1:56:50 --> 1:56:54 morbidities they still quite unwell 981 1:56:56 --> 1:57:04 was that all the was that the question i think that's what she yes so what exactly was the 982 1:57:04 --> 1:57:11 question what what were the symptoms of the covert of covert patients oh yes 983 1:57:12 --> 1:57:16 so okay do you want to answer that my lee or what do you think 984 1:57:18 --> 1:57:26 yeah so they yeah thank you very much uh dr janet wanted to know the difference that you 985 1:57:26 --> 1:57:35 you saw in patients between a patient who was ill with any other pathogenic illness versus 986 1:57:35 --> 1:57:44 having a covert infection if you could please share with us those differences and also i wanted 987 1:57:44 --> 1:57:51 to add the frostbite that was another symptom characteristic of covert infection as well 988 1:57:51 --> 1:58:02 in patients thank you okay thank you marie thank you so like i said um the um patients were a lot 989 1:58:02 --> 1:58:11 lot sicker they um so muscle pain was a very um common um symptom um they're just more more severe 990 1:58:11 --> 1:58:18 um so high fever coughing people were coughing like they couldn't stop their coughing they're 991 1:58:18 --> 1:58:24 so distressed by the coughing and then there's symptoms like loss of taste loss of smell 992 1:58:26 --> 1:58:38 has been quite common um and i i treated patients during the um the delta wave and that's um that's 993 1:58:38 --> 1:58:47 most um i mean that's the most severe strain and um so in terms of 994 1:58:48 --> 1:58:54 whether i mean i i haven't seen anyone with symptoms of frostbite or anything like that 995 1:58:54 --> 1:59:03 you were saying associate with um covert 19 well i think frostbite was the suggestion that 996 1:59:04 --> 1:59:12 micro emberly was causing the the so-called frostbite right i'm not asking you i can't 997 1:59:12 --> 1:59:20 remember i don't know i i haven't heard of that before so loss of taste and loss of smell i had 998 1:59:20 --> 1:59:25 that when i had cold and i was amazed that everybody forgot that and and the government 999 1:59:25 --> 1:59:29 was saying oh if you've got loss of taste and loss of smell you've got covet and everybody 1000 1:59:29 --> 1:59:35 forgot that they didn't have any taste and smell sense of taste and smell when they had a cold 1001 1:59:35 --> 1:59:40 previously and certainly not when they had flu whatever flu is and these days i don't know i 1002 1:59:40 --> 1:59:47 really don't know anything about what we were taught at medical school but one thing i'm 1003 1:59:47 --> 1:59:53 i'm sure of my lee it's extremely dangerous and we were told this at medical school by presumably 1004 1:59:53 --> 2:00:00 an honest he said that um never isolate human beings it's extremely dangerous for human beings 1005 2:00:00 --> 2:00:06 there's highly social animals they must never be particularly children but particularly babies so 1006 2:00:06 --> 2:00:13 if you put a baby in a room on its own for a week without with food and water yeah it might not 1007 2:00:13 --> 2:00:21 survive apparently so so they must all the medical doctors in the world should have known that it was 1008 2:00:21 --> 2:00:27 highly dangerous to isolate people and lockdowns were always a bad idea completely against 1009 2:00:27 --> 2:00:32 everything we'd been taught at medical school so if nothing else all doctors in the world should 1010 2:00:32 --> 2:00:36 know that human beings are highly social animals but apparently they forgot that 1011 2:00:38 --> 2:00:44 and so everybody was put into a state of fear and that was exposed to fear propaganda so not 1012 2:00:44 --> 2:00:53 surprisingly the symptoms of covet 19 so-called were a lot worse than flu and because people 1013 2:00:53 --> 2:01:00 were terrified and we learned at medical school anxiety extreme anxiety can kill you 1014 2:01:02 --> 2:01:08 it can cause any symptom in the book and everyone forgot it all the doctors forgot they forgot all 1015 2:01:08 --> 2:01:18 about informed consent everything in my family was a lie that was a massive lie um it was a military 1016 2:01:18 --> 2:01:22 cyop i think but anyway um marie do you want to ask your question 1017 2:01:25 --> 2:01:30 thank you steven uh dr may lee has already answered my questions thank you very much 1018 2:01:31 --> 2:01:40 okay thank you so my lee can you tell i've never i don't think i've ever met anyone from cambodia 1019 2:01:40 --> 2:01:47 previously uh at least you used to live there you know are you still a cambodian citizen by the way 1020 2:01:47 --> 2:02:00 uh uh yes i am good yeah have you been back to cambodia i have so i um before i got suspended 1021 2:02:00 --> 2:02:07 i was i've been doing um mission in cambodia or medical mission in cambodia every year for 1022 2:02:08 --> 2:02:18 over decades or for about 12 years um i treat patients in the rural area of cambodia providing 1023 2:02:18 --> 2:02:26 free health care now for them so i do that um about one to two trips a year uh we usually go 1024 2:02:26 --> 2:02:33 to different villages and how long do you stay there um anywhere from um a week and a half to 1025 2:02:33 --> 2:02:44 three weeks yeah all right so um and uh so you can speak the the local languages yes even though 1026 2:02:46 --> 2:02:55 no not really i i could understand a lot but um i can't really um speak very well um but i i work 1027 2:02:55 --> 2:03:04 with um a group there um a local organization there so um they support me with you know i have 1028 2:03:04 --> 2:03:12 support translators and that sort of thing um yeah so there's um university students would come and 1029 2:03:12 --> 2:03:22 join their mission and they do all the translation for us foreigners yeah so you now live in cindy 1030 2:03:22 --> 2:03:30 which is a big city even by well two three million is it two point five million no i think six plus 1031 2:03:30 --> 2:03:37 all right is it wow it's growing that so um you go back to fenong pen what's the most what's the 1032 2:03:37 --> 2:03:45 most do you notice the differences or are you too familiar with it uh well over the years i noticed 1033 2:03:45 --> 2:03:53 that people are getting fat on yes and you know from the beginning when i first joined till 1034 2:03:53 --> 2:04:01 now like oh 12 years yeah every every time i come back i notice that uh people are getting fat on 1035 2:04:03 --> 2:04:12 and what do you think the reason for that is food obviously diet yeah so what do they eat then 1036 2:04:12 --> 2:04:20 burgers in in philomphina yes so they um they embrace a lot of the western lifestyle and western 1037 2:04:21 --> 2:04:33 um food and um yes so they're getting trendy and um um they got fast food have you got the 1038 2:04:33 --> 2:04:40 cursed mobile phones that yes and the mobile phone yes and certainly they're less active 1039 2:04:42 --> 2:04:47 so in flompen would you see would it be quite common to see a table of four 1040 2:04:48 --> 2:04:54 people say the age of um what should we say 18 sitting at a table none of them talking to each 1041 2:04:54 --> 2:05:02 other all looking at their phones having a cup of coffee in the coffee shop um yes i think so yes 1042 2:05:03 --> 2:05:08 well what do you think of that then um well it's like that everywhere isn't it 1043 2:05:08 --> 2:05:15 oh the world they got us you think it's good that we're doing that sorry you think it's good 1044 2:05:15 --> 2:05:21 that we're doing that you know on our mobile phones or the social media but not talking to 1045 2:05:21 --> 2:05:28 people around us yeah no obviously not good i mean um we are social creature like you said 1046 2:05:29 --> 2:05:38 so um but um we've got this addiction to technology they got us hooked they got us 1047 2:05:39 --> 2:05:45 they kept us busy do you think they did do you think they planned to get us hooked on get everybody 1048 2:05:45 --> 2:05:54 hooked on technology too yes i believe so i believe so so that they won't we won't fight back we're too 1049 2:05:54 --> 2:06:02 busy getting addicted to things or taking photographs which they're then posting 1050 2:06:02 --> 2:06:09 so they can get some likes yes from all the people who agree with them all around the world 1051 2:06:09 --> 2:06:13 that's right they decide to have a conversation with someone because they are human beings they 1052 2:06:13 --> 2:06:18 realize in the end so they need to start talking to human beings again and then they find oh the 1053 2:06:18 --> 2:06:23 first human being they come across disagrees with them and so they think oh this is far too 1054 2:06:24 --> 2:06:30 difficult talking to someone who disagrees with me um i don't want to hear this i'd rather go back 1055 2:06:30 --> 2:06:36 to my mobile phone and social media and get a few likes and and never be challenged on anything and 1056 2:06:36 --> 2:06:44 just get deeper and deeper into the um rabbit hole the the echo chamber what do you think 1057 2:06:44 --> 2:06:54 um as a doctor i mean it's not very good is it no it's not yeah i mean i think it's um it's most 1058 2:06:56 --> 2:07:01 destructive for for children because they they develop developing their social skills 1059 2:07:02 --> 2:07:07 and things like that at you know at any age i've got any social skills in the united kingdom 1060 2:07:07 --> 2:07:21 and yes so same here in australia a lot of kids are given you know ipad iphone and um yeah they 1061 2:07:21 --> 2:07:27 they lost their social skill they lost their ability to relate to people communicate to people 1062 2:07:28 --> 2:07:35 i think it's very very serious it really is i think i think this was their aim and people are 1063 2:07:35 --> 2:07:41 losing their humanity in front of my eyes you can't you know they've got no manners anybody 1064 2:07:41 --> 2:07:47 under the age of 40 has no manners if you say good good morning to them or good evening to them 1065 2:07:47 --> 2:07:53 especially good evening you know it's far too formal um uh they nearly jump they look at you 1066 2:07:55 --> 2:08:01 so what i usually do if they kind of don't answer i say good evening again i double double down 1067 2:08:01 --> 2:08:04 yeah 1068 2:08:07 --> 2:08:13 but most of the time i well i try to be kind but it's you know it's very frustrating because these 1069 2:08:13 --> 2:08:22 people who are brainwashed they're going to take us down with them have you read about the history 1070 2:08:22 --> 2:08:27 of cambodia my lee i just wonder whether you could tap because nobody knows about the killing even i 1071 2:08:27 --> 2:08:32 don't know about what was the real what are the killing fields well you know with those what the 1072 2:08:32 --> 2:08:38 khmer rouge were they were killing their political opponents or no they're killing their own people 1073 2:08:39 --> 2:08:47 yeah but why though what was the um why well we don't even know why so um like i can only 1074 2:08:48 --> 2:08:56 share what happened to my family so my sister my elder sister just got married at the time 1075 2:08:57 --> 2:09:04 uh when when kamarush came into power so she she just moved in with her husband 1076 2:09:05 --> 2:09:15 in this house in the city of lom pen and 11 days later after they move in um the um kamarush um 1077 2:09:15 --> 2:09:23 evacuate the city so everybody were kicked out of their home um you've got a very short time 1078 2:09:23 --> 2:09:29 to grab what you whatever you have and they kicked them out and they pushed them into um 1079 2:09:30 --> 2:09:37 into to cultivate the land so they have to become farmers so like in china then 1080 2:09:39 --> 2:09:44 um i don't know exactly what happened in china but but that's what happened cambodia so these 1081 2:09:44 --> 2:09:53 people were forced to to work on the land um my friend um in cambodia he's he just he said to me 1082 2:09:53 --> 2:10:04 that it was about i think 14 he was made to um dig uh dig like an area and they every day he was 1083 2:10:04 --> 2:10:15 given a task to to dig an area of the land um every day and and they they they were forced to 1084 2:10:15 --> 2:10:24 live like a community so they they separate the the children from their parents um the the 1085 2:10:25 --> 2:10:31 they separate husbands and wives so my my parents were separated um and the children were 1086 2:10:32 --> 2:10:39 my my sisters were not with living with my my parents so they separate families um 1087 2:10:40 --> 2:10:48 they're forced to work on the land and they gave very them very little food to eat and anyone that 1088 2:10:48 --> 2:10:58 so my mom was taken to a um a camp like a a women's camp and um after a period of time they decided 1089 2:10:58 --> 2:11:07 to kill them and that was it um at the women's camp were they kind of sex slaves or no no no 1090 2:11:07 --> 2:11:15 not sex slaves they just um no i don't know exactly what activities they were doing but um 1091 2:11:16 --> 2:11:25 it's just it's like to me it's like they they they have control over you um in everything that you do 1092 2:11:25 --> 2:11:31 so you're you're not free to do whatever you want you you are being controlled every day and you're 1093 2:11:31 --> 2:11:42 given tasks a bit like in our countries um during 2020 the co the covet area yes incredible isn't 1094 2:11:42 --> 2:11:49 yeah so the people imposing the control mildly are human beings they're mere human beings who 1095 2:11:49 --> 2:11:59 don't even know sorry yeah so do uh one of the things i think think about a lot is that 1096 2:12:00 --> 2:12:07 after this last five years i think a lot of you most human beings are utterly ridiculous they have 1097 2:12:07 --> 2:12:14 a inflated idea of who they are and and yet every human being should know or should remember that 1098 2:12:14 --> 2:12:19 they're gonna die in the end you know so why would you why would you have a a massive opinion 1099 2:12:19 --> 2:12:26 of yourself if at the it all comes to an end obviously it's nice to live in a kind of uh 1100 2:12:28 --> 2:12:34 illusion a comfortable illusion but but to kind of go further and tell the world how to live you 1101 2:12:34 --> 2:12:41 know and take yourself so seriously you know and and be interviewed see do you see it it's just 1102 2:12:41 --> 2:12:48 ridiculous isn't it i think human beings the best thing we can learn is to be humble after the last 1103 2:12:48 --> 2:12:56 five years because human hubris is not only ridiculous but it just leads us into massive 1104 2:12:56 --> 2:13:06 deadly cults as far as i can see what do you think um yeah i think that um people are 1105 2:13:06 --> 2:13:13 um unaware of the consequences of their action so they um participate in 1106 2:13:14 --> 2:13:25 um crime against people um they don't realize that um they themselves become a problem 1107 2:13:25 --> 2:13:36 problem they become a perpetrator so to speak you know they've been used by um by the people who 1108 2:13:37 --> 2:13:49 who um have agendas um yeah i think people are not very not very smart and um 1109 2:13:49 --> 2:13:57 um and they don't think hard enough they they don't know you know over history it's the same 1110 2:13:57 --> 2:14:04 thing happened right so history repeats itself so the people that are made to do the dirty work 1111 2:14:05 --> 2:14:16 um you know for these evil people and um and um and also i i think that people don't have courage 1112 2:14:16 --> 2:14:24 to correct uh to stand up and that's the problem we face nowadays um they they train us to be 1113 2:14:25 --> 2:14:34 to be tolerant um to not speak out truth to accept anything and everything and um and so because of 1114 2:14:34 --> 2:14:44 that we've been trained to to be passive and to not stand up for what we believe in and that becomes 1115 2:14:45 --> 2:14:53 um you know a norm so it's it's you know so when this pandemic came i was so surprised that 1116 2:14:54 --> 2:15:01 hardly any doctors speak out um even they believe that it was wrong um 1117 2:15:02 --> 2:15:11 um and and i think that you know if there if there were many people speaking out at the time 1118 2:15:11 --> 2:15:17 it would have been different absolutely yeah but the problem is i think um 1119 2:15:19 --> 2:15:26 oh i don't know that that not enough human beings are courageous enough but also they're not able to 1120 2:15:26 --> 2:15:32 see what you could see you know because maybe because of your connection with cambodia you 1121 2:15:32 --> 2:15:38 know and how and your mother and all that you know um so you've been kind of wakened up by that and 1122 2:15:38 --> 2:15:43 you're alert to danger more alert to danger and you understand the importance of being alert to 1123 2:15:43 --> 2:15:50 danger whereas in the uk for example a lot of people just drift along through life you know 1124 2:15:50 --> 2:15:57 even through the covid times you know i've got friends former friends should we say because i 1125 2:15:57 --> 2:16:04 don't feel i don't feel angry with them but but i find it boring to be with them because you have 1126 2:16:04 --> 2:16:11 to avoid covid all the time and and if you if you'd say anything the next thing is you know 1127 2:16:12 --> 2:16:16 you know what you're talking about because you've been researching it for five years 1128 2:16:16 --> 2:16:25 and they've done nothing they haven't yes yeah i think uh so i i have thought about why i was able 1129 2:16:25 --> 2:16:36 to come to know the truth quite early and um and i think it's because um like you said the traveling 1130 2:16:36 --> 2:16:44 and and my my past but also i was sort of out of the system out of the medical system for uh for 1131 2:16:44 --> 2:16:54 a while i wasn't doing a lot of work um as a doctor um and um i was doing other things and that sort 1132 2:16:54 --> 2:17:02 of gave me a different perspective like i wasn't being brainwashed by the system constantly um i 1133 2:17:02 --> 2:17:09 had time to do other things and um think about other things um but what happened during the 1134 2:17:09 --> 2:17:18 pandemic that that woke me up was was actually the financial system so i was i was quite certain that 1135 2:17:18 --> 2:17:24 you know our debt-based system was going to go downhill and it was going to be destroyed and it's 1136 2:17:24 --> 2:17:30 going to be replaced by something else and i was on the watch of what was going to emerge at that 1137 2:17:30 --> 2:17:41 time um so you know so um and i followed the u.s uh election uh donald trump's election and able to 1138 2:17:41 --> 2:17:50 see um the um you know how they infiltrate the political system how the media was telling lies 1139 2:17:51 --> 2:18:01 um how you know they could steal um a u.s election um in broad daylight that kind of thing that sort 1140 2:18:01 --> 2:18:07 of really shocked me at the time so that was happening just before covid so when when they 1141 2:18:08 --> 2:18:16 was a pandemic um coming and you know they declared the pandemic um and and they locked down Wuhan 1142 2:18:16 --> 2:18:23 i mean i was on high alert it's like my goodness what's what's gonna happen if there's something 1143 2:18:23 --> 2:18:30 really ominous gonna happen so there's a there's a guy called james patrick who who's a brilliant 1144 2:18:30 --> 2:18:37 filmmaker and he i don't know he he's just different from all the other he he's got this 1145 2:18:37 --> 2:18:45 kind of he's in um uh reliable of feelings maybe about situations you know but 1146 2:18:46 --> 2:18:52 and he did this film and he opened the film absolutely brilliantly i thought so i'd seen 1147 2:18:52 --> 2:19:00 other examples but i thought the beginning of the film um planet lockdown was just amazing 1148 2:19:00 --> 2:19:07 started off with a newscaster uh the mainstream media in the united states and the guy was standing 1149 2:19:07 --> 2:19:14 up and talking to the camera and he said good evening as i speak much of america is closing 1150 2:19:14 --> 2:19:21 down and then it immediately switched to that freak of a of a mayor s in chicago i can't remember a 1151 2:19:21 --> 2:19:30 name and she said um we will pursue you we will shut your businesses down we will send you to jail 1152 2:19:31 --> 2:19:37 and i thought well that that could happen in the united states of america it was just a big shock 1153 2:19:37 --> 2:19:44 for me and this film director james patrick had he tapped into the sadness you know of the 1154 2:19:44 --> 2:19:52 destruction of the world that we knew before 2020 so in 2020 i understood immediately there was a 1155 2:19:52 --> 2:20:00 global coup d'etat and that um that this um the whole thing was a fraud uh and and i didn't know 1156 2:20:00 --> 2:20:06 then that there was no pandemic i didn't understand that uh but i thought that um 1157 2:20:08 --> 2:20:12 that the uh i noticed that governments around the world were saying exactly the same thing so 1158 2:20:12 --> 2:20:25 whatever had been absolutely minutely planned and um so uh but you know in some ways i looked back 1159 2:20:25 --> 2:20:32 on what had happened to me in the previous 20 years and it was like my whole life was leading 1160 2:20:32 --> 2:20:38 up to this moment i don't know whether you understand that from your you know when you 1161 2:20:38 --> 2:20:46 realize that stephen sorry i missed i said that when i knew i seemed to know what was happening 1162 2:20:46 --> 2:20:51 and everybody around me including my own family had no idea what was happening and didn't see 1163 2:20:51 --> 2:21:00 that this was deeply upsetting and very worrying and um i couldn't understand it first but then i 1164 2:21:00 --> 2:21:07 realized that that i was i didn't understand it but i was i'd been a serial whistleblower 1165 2:21:07 --> 2:21:15 and i'd always been speaking my truth and i not only but i had this uh compulsion almost to 1166 2:21:15 --> 2:21:23 ask questions and say what my truth was whatever the consequences and i think i was saved from 1167 2:21:24 --> 2:21:30 i think i was perceived as dangerous but um by the people you know who were playing the game 1168 2:21:30 --> 2:21:39 um and um but i think what saved me for some reason people like me and and kind of wanted to 1169 2:21:39 --> 2:21:49 find excuses for not going for me you know yes um um we experienced the same thing here in australia 1170 2:21:49 --> 2:21:57 so um you're not allowed to speak out um and especially with doctors um i mean one of my 1171 2:21:57 --> 2:22:05 colleagues um dr oosterhaus uh all he did was i think he posted about 10 posts about vitamin c 1172 2:22:05 --> 2:22:15 i have a mectin vitamin d something like that um and he got suspended so um the censorship was 1173 2:22:15 --> 2:22:22 incredible um my question to you my question to you um my lee you did you get the feeling 1174 2:22:22 --> 2:22:28 eventually that not only were you your life had been different from you know your mother 1175 2:22:28 --> 2:22:34 dying in the circumstances she died i'm sorry about that um but that kind of formed you and 1176 2:22:34 --> 2:22:41 and that put you in a better position to be on the alert for fraud or for lies you know so you knew 1177 2:22:41 --> 2:22:46 quicker than everybody else around you but did you feel also that your when you looked back at your 1178 2:22:46 --> 2:22:55 life so far did you did you feel that your whole life so far had been preparing you for this moment 1179 2:22:55 --> 2:23:09 in 2020 um yeah i do in some some way yeah um so i um uh yes so so my family uh my immediate family 1180 2:23:09 --> 2:23:18 um were not awake at all i mean i i i tried to to tell tell them and they sort of half believing 1181 2:23:18 --> 2:23:25 and half not believing i was so fearful that they would take the vaccine so some didn't some didn't 1182 2:23:25 --> 2:23:30 but it was it was hard so the hardest thing for me during the pandemic was to try to convince the 1183 2:23:30 --> 2:23:37 people that i love that i care for the truth and they wouldn't listen um and that was so 1184 2:23:37 --> 2:23:43 distressing because i just think that if you know the truth you can survive it um you can 1185 2:23:43 --> 2:23:48 survive through this pandemic just as long as you don't take the lethal work you know the lethal 1186 2:23:48 --> 2:23:57 injection so um but i attempt to share this information and um they they don't believe me 1187 2:23:58 --> 2:24:03 so that what did you think about that did you think that they didn't like you or didn't some 1188 2:24:03 --> 2:24:12 respect no no there was nothing to do with that i i they were so captured um that the government's 1189 2:24:12 --> 2:24:20 doing the right thing and um you know that they couldn't see the plot that we could see and and 1190 2:24:20 --> 2:24:28 that's because they've never experienced war they've never experienced um any living in 1191 2:24:29 --> 2:24:34 they've never experienced living in a country where the government can turn on the people 1192 2:24:34 --> 2:24:44 and i have so so for them you know being brought up and raised in a you know in a what i think is 1193 2:24:44 --> 2:24:52 democracy in australia um and and being where the government looks after its people and for 1194 2:24:53 --> 2:24:59 for all of a sudden for that to change and turn the other way around it was impossible for them 1195 2:24:59 --> 2:25:09 to see so you know they call me crazy and um all kinds of things but um that was i find it hard to 1196 2:25:09 --> 2:25:17 cope um you're a medical doctor do you think so hypothesizing you know as we need to do with 1197 2:25:17 --> 2:25:23 very sick patients i think we're surrounded by these very sick patients every day now and i think 1198 2:25:23 --> 2:25:28 that they're all in the state of stockholm syndrome as a result of the psychological torture to which 1199 2:25:28 --> 2:25:36 they're exposed by their own government what do you think yes um so that that you know in australia 1200 2:25:36 --> 2:25:42 america is better but in australia a lot of people are still in the dark um and they continue to take 1201 2:25:42 --> 2:25:49 the jab um they continue to believe this lie and it goes on and on and i don't know when it's going 1202 2:25:49 --> 2:25:58 to end um yeah um i i think you know without some serious treatment they're going to remain in the 1203 2:25:58 --> 2:26:04 state of stockholm syndrome until they die as far as i can see and essentially their souls have been 1204 2:26:04 --> 2:26:11 ripped away from them that's how i know about that but i just think that um you know the the 1205 2:26:11 --> 2:26:22 government while they still in power uh we have two two two major parties um that's um controlling 1206 2:26:22 --> 2:26:29 i mean um that that's in power but what i'm saying is that they they will not with the way things are 1207 2:26:29 --> 2:26:36 going they're not able to they're not allowing the truth to come out and they continue to control 1208 2:26:36 --> 2:26:46 the narrative in both both major parties so until the people until there's enough people to um 1209 2:26:48 --> 2:26:53 to fight back and to resist and to really fight back when they're suffering from stockholm syndrome 1210 2:26:53 --> 2:27:01 if they are suffering do you see what i mean yeah but i still think that the you know it's a it's 1211 2:27:01 --> 2:27:07 it's the people still listen to authorities and and and you know the health authorities so when 1212 2:27:09 --> 2:27:21 if if if there are enough people um um taking control over parliament um influencing policies 1213 2:27:21 --> 2:27:27 and things like that it will change so until there's enough of that influence in in our 1214 2:27:27 --> 2:27:38 parliaments we're going to continue this path of the lives continuing um and and um more lives will 1215 2:27:38 --> 2:27:49 be lost yeah uh today i was sent uh by the daily mail actually um uh something from claiming to be 1216 2:27:49 --> 2:27:56 a congress report which is dated the fourth of december that's tomorrow and so there's been an 1217 2:27:56 --> 2:28:01 investigation as far as this document was concerned so it was dated tomorrow but that would be 1218 2:28:01 --> 2:28:08 consistent with you know the report being leaked to the press um a day early so that they can report 1219 2:28:08 --> 2:28:18 it on the day that is uh so uh but uh somebody said that it was a fake document i'm not sure 1220 2:28:18 --> 2:28:24 because i know the journalist who supplied me with this with this document and the congress 1221 2:28:25 --> 2:28:34 investigation uh into the lockdowns and the whole thing concluded that the um the cure must never 1222 2:28:34 --> 2:28:42 be worse than the disease i.e. lockdowns and everything was conceded by congress if it was 1223 2:28:42 --> 2:28:50 congress um to have been wrong but uh that operation warp speed surprisingly was a was 1224 2:28:50 --> 2:28:58 a success they concluded interesting isn't it wow yes the same here in australia so when we had the 1225 2:28:58 --> 2:29:03 have you heard about this report my lee no i haven't i think it's coming out tomorrow they talk 1226 2:29:03 --> 2:29:09 about the u.s this is the u.s congress yeah u.s congress report uh i can't remember sub 1227 2:29:09 --> 2:29:18 covid subcommittee or something right or covid committee hi steven uh john has a question for 1228 2:29:18 --> 2:29:27 the doctor all right oh i was just go ahead john listening to your conversation and thinking of 1229 2:29:27 --> 2:29:32 things and i don't know i do that i'm not really in the conversation i know but you know it just 1230 2:29:33 --> 2:29:43 it just i would sum up my activity as boiling things down to the root of any problem and 1231 2:29:44 --> 2:29:49 just attacking that nothing else because i can trim trees all day and people have their pet 1232 2:29:49 --> 2:29:53 projects and everybody likes oh have you seen this and have you done that and what's this i mean 1233 2:29:54 --> 2:29:58 you take a guy like trump this was the thought came to me you take a guy like trump and this 1234 2:29:58 --> 2:30:05 thing that as operation warp speed steven mentioned the man got elected to be the president 1235 2:30:05 --> 2:30:15 of the united states take that as astonishing considering the fact that he to even to this day 1236 2:30:15 --> 2:30:25 brags about genociding americans that is beyond belief to me and how can anybody not see that 1237 2:30:25 --> 2:30:30 i mean you have to be mind controlled mind control is real because that's an example of 1238 2:30:31 --> 2:30:37 and just look at the the biggest thing right these elections are so ridiculous every year is more 1239 2:30:37 --> 2:30:44 important the last one that's always the most important one bullshit okay you if voting mattered 1240 2:30:44 --> 2:30:51 you wouldn't be allowed to do it i know people will attack me especially soldiers screw them all 1241 2:30:51 --> 2:30:56 right i'm right when this guy reveals himself i will win all of my points i'm not going to waste 1242 2:30:56 --> 2:31:03 my breath on it now all right he's probably going to be the last president i i expect it he's going 1243 2:31:03 --> 2:31:12 to preside over a disaster i mean if he truly was a threat to the deep state they would execute him 1244 2:31:12 --> 2:31:20 all these assassination attempts i'm sorry glenn macco wherever you are are horseshit theater acts 1245 2:31:20 --> 2:31:25 i mean i give you 22 reasons why the first one never happened nobody will address that they're 1246 2:31:25 --> 2:31:33 like flat earthers okay it's incredible the loyalty that you know the patriotism that is just 1247 2:31:33 --> 2:31:39 fabricated nonsense based on nothing this guy has been a failure at every single thing he's ever done 1248 2:31:39 --> 2:31:45 in his life and effectively broke the entire time he is entirely beholden all of his wealth to his 1249 2:31:45 --> 2:31:54 frenemies he is he is not a rebel he's a jackass actor i'm sorry anybody likes him okay but you 1250 2:31:54 --> 2:32:00 know and the argument that oh the other one was worse is probably valid i mean we had but trevor 1251 2:32:00 --> 2:32:05 loudon come out here make a great case for that i thought but it just delays the inevitable you know 1252 2:32:05 --> 2:32:10 it is whoever you will believe in it's not what they're going to do or what they can well we'll 1253 2:32:10 --> 2:32:17 soon know about trump won't we if he in the first week i think we'll know you know i went back in 1254 2:32:17 --> 2:32:25 time and i looked at something from 2017 that was all about his his family members writing books in 1255 2:32:25 --> 2:32:34 the 1800s that by name identify political candidates sitting presidents and weaves their 1256 2:32:34 --> 2:32:41 actual history into the plot lines and all this was dismissed as you know tremendous coincidence 1257 2:32:41 --> 2:32:49 but it is coincidence lasagna oh my god i mean it's like uh oh i got the instructions on what my 1258 2:32:49 --> 2:32:54 role is going to be in the illuminati and then he goes out and does all of that now it's not completed 1259 2:32:54 --> 2:32:58 yet okay you got to see where that goes if you want to go into it really graceful makes a nice 1260 2:32:58 --> 2:33:03 compilation of the crap that he has a time machine and everything ridiculous too but 1261 2:33:03 --> 2:33:11 it is funny because it what it what it proves i think in a decent example is the the enemy 1262 2:33:11 --> 2:33:19 our common enemy makes their plans in hundreds of years of timeline arc and they subdivide it into 1263 2:33:19 --> 2:33:24 50 years and then 30 years and then the next five years and these are the agendas there was an 1264 2:33:24 --> 2:33:30 agenda you know uh 2012 there's an agenda it's 2020 all these agendas with the year after 1265 2:33:30 --> 2:33:38 agenda 2050 agenda 2030 okay it's all laid out they publish this stuff you know so and they 1266 2:33:38 --> 2:33:45 communicate not in secret smoke-filled rooms they have a language of reversal okay whatever they say 1267 2:33:45 --> 2:33:51 it's the opposite of that you know if they say sustainable it's unsustainable etc all right and 1268 2:33:51 --> 2:33:59 they uh issue their marching orders and you know john where the way so what is where where does your 1269 2:33:59 --> 2:34:06 hope lie then where are your hopes in myself this possibility ends at the end of my nose 1270 2:34:06 --> 2:34:12 and anybody that interacts with me gets my opinion and then yeah but wait a minute so what's your 1271 2:34:13 --> 2:34:17 what's your hope for the world you're not going to manage to change it just by saying well 1272 2:34:17 --> 2:34:23 my responsibility ends at the end of my nose are you no no look what i do matters in my own life 1273 2:34:23 --> 2:34:31 what absolutely yeah yeah that does yeah and you will you need like all humans a club of your own 1274 2:34:31 --> 2:34:35 your friends circles they removed all of mine because all of my opinions they didn't agree 1275 2:34:35 --> 2:34:42 with because they're indoctrinated do you understand what a force multiplier is ai the internet all 1276 2:34:42 --> 2:34:50 this is a force multiplier it i said this in an email i shout out to my league it is a way for 1277 2:34:50 --> 2:34:56 elite psychopaths to relieve themselves of the mundane chores of abusing you personally and 1278 2:34:56 --> 2:35:03 automate that and they give it to you you know with oh look this how convenient this is i could 1279 2:35:03 --> 2:35:09 just ask it a question it's always wrong you know the the difference between ai and actual 1280 2:35:09 --> 2:35:15 intelligence is ai has no memory every time you ask a question it pulls the entire earth and gives 1281 2:35:15 --> 2:35:21 you the wrong answer or a shit answer it's unusable but you can write term papers with it and books 1282 2:35:21 --> 2:35:26 with it god i i'm out of a job with this right but all that stuff will be garbage and you will very 1283 2:35:26 --> 2:35:33 soon not be allowed to get any real information if i had to start all my research today it wouldn't 1284 2:35:33 --> 2:35:39 be possible okay i have to directly type in links to places i want to go because 12 different 1285 2:35:39 --> 2:35:44 browsers won't send me there says a dead page or something they're removing the way back machine 1286 2:35:44 --> 2:35:49 and the internet archive and everything they want to start you over fresh or as soon as you pop out 1287 2:35:49 --> 2:35:56 of the womb you're a fool and everything you read so you know so john how do we reverse all this and 1288 2:35:56 --> 2:36:03 so so people they they like trump because it gives them a little bit of hope a little bit more hope 1289 2:36:03 --> 2:36:09 than they had with them with kamala so where does your hope lie having destroyed the trump hope 1290 2:36:10 --> 2:36:15 we've made some mistakes by adopting things civilizationally that have been amazing but 1291 2:36:15 --> 2:36:21 it pales in comparison to what they could have provided us with because of the way that they 1292 2:36:21 --> 2:36:25 were used we're going to have to take several steps back to take a step forward if i could snap my 1293 2:36:25 --> 2:36:31 fingers and make every computer on the earth disappear i would do it exactly i would as well 1294 2:36:31 --> 2:36:35 absolutely but that won't solve it because they're shielded they know about that 1295 2:36:35 --> 2:36:42 all right so we're we have to just we have to go back to being basic local villages 1296 2:36:43 --> 2:36:48 you know they want to they let us get all these nations they've always controlled and now it's 1297 2:36:48 --> 2:36:53 just a big shopping mall where they go to the nation who's making the best thing that they want 1298 2:36:53 --> 2:36:58 to use and they inflict damage with it that's how they view us there was a mindset to being 1299 2:36:59 --> 2:37:06 generationally wealthy that is very hard to get into you cannot spend 50 million dollars if 1300 2:37:06 --> 2:37:11 unless you're buying jet airplanes from the military you can't spend it in a single lifetime 1301 2:37:11 --> 2:37:17 and some of these we have trillionaires now these money is valueless they don't value money 1302 2:37:17 --> 2:37:25 that's just a tool they value real assets which is why oh nothing and be happy got said and take it 1303 2:37:25 --> 2:37:31 back they spoke the quiet part out loud you know i mean that's what they're planning they they're 1304 2:37:31 --> 2:37:39 going to return the entire earth now to a feudalistic society if they have their way and my hope lies in 1305 2:37:39 --> 2:37:45 everybody just saying oh fuck off no john do you think they'll send us all out to the fields they 1306 2:37:45 --> 2:37:51 will try to you see your career in the future being in the fields i don't see myself having a 1307 2:37:51 --> 2:37:57 career in the future i just put food in my mouth and constantly and maintain and try to keep a roof 1308 2:37:57 --> 2:38:03 over my head and you know i'm somebody's house pet now i don't even try i could go back in the 1309 2:38:03 --> 2:38:08 workforce what the hell would i do nobody wants to hear from me you know i'm so unpopular with 1310 2:38:08 --> 2:38:16 anything comes out of my face but you know i'm not pulling any punches it's not i'm not pessimistic 1311 2:38:16 --> 2:38:21 i'm just you know i can appeal to i stopped you know trying to write on my blog and all 1312 2:38:21 --> 2:38:26 this stuff because it's like i don't want to appeal to a audience i want to have a one-on-one 1313 2:38:26 --> 2:38:32 conversation with somebody and be compelling and effective and that is the only way i've found i'm 1314 2:38:32 --> 2:38:39 able to do that yeah so my lead where do you where do your hopes lie for the future 1315 2:38:40 --> 2:38:46 have you my hope lies in the people my hope lies in the people i think that when 1316 2:38:46 --> 2:38:55 more and more people know the truth that change will take place yeah and if you if you pull a big 1317 2:38:55 --> 2:39:02 root out like vaccines have always been harmful cannot be anything but harmful there is no good 1318 2:39:02 --> 2:39:08 one bad one this one's okay this was not okay no fence sitting allowed it is directly poisoning 1319 2:39:08 --> 2:39:15 you like spoon feeding rat poison into your mouth and all the people that have ever you know had 1320 2:39:15 --> 2:39:20 something to do with putting a shot in your arm are guilty of harming you that's it all right that's 1321 2:39:20 --> 2:39:25 it and that is a lot of people that's a lot of fools that's a lot of you know conspiring psychos 1322 2:39:25 --> 2:39:33 but whatever okay you bring up charles rocher and just pull the root out it cannot be possible 1323 2:39:33 --> 2:39:38 they don't work the way they've been told they offer no protection they only offer harm period 1324 2:39:38 --> 2:39:43 end of story and then the pandemic folds and then they all that everybody comes out of the bushes 1325 2:39:43 --> 2:39:48 guilty yeah because they are they have a big sign on their head you know i had this idea we could 1326 2:39:48 --> 2:39:54 we could um you know if we apply ourselves somebody could do this john i was asking my 1327 2:39:54 --> 2:40:00 lead because she's the guest oh i'm sorry i'm sorry but we could we could digitally brand them 1328 2:40:00 --> 2:40:05 with a scarlet p psycho you know with ai if we really wanted to program that but we won't be 1329 2:40:05 --> 2:40:12 allowed to so well i do agree with one thing you say if we're given a choice to take away all the 1330 2:40:12 --> 2:40:21 computers overnight i would vote for that because i think but television yeah my lee what what do 1331 2:40:21 --> 2:40:31 you think where so yeah so so i i um yes i i think the hope still lies with people when 1332 2:40:31 --> 2:40:38 when people really wake up and know the truth know what's happening they start to engage in this 1333 2:40:38 --> 2:40:44 fight and in australia even though we we don't have a lot we we have we still we have a growing 1334 2:40:44 --> 2:40:52 numbers of people who believe that that they need to take control they need to to fight and to 1335 2:40:53 --> 2:41:04 take not so much taking control but to to influence the the government for change and i think that is 1336 2:41:04 --> 2:41:11 the hope that we're going to have so we have an election coming up in australia that's the federal 1337 2:41:11 --> 2:41:19 election and more people are going to politics and and and the public are not no longer 1338 2:41:21 --> 2:41:28 where they could see that the lies of the major parties so they're going to vote for the 1339 2:41:28 --> 2:41:36 independence and the smaller political groups and and i think that that change will hopefully 1340 2:41:36 --> 2:41:44 influence the direction of how the government the country's been governed and and and i think 1341 2:41:44 --> 2:41:53 you know for me i'm just continue to speak out continue to throw my lawyers calling me 1342 2:41:56 --> 2:42:03 you know what my lease is the trust my lee or or not trust uh sorry 1343 2:42:03 --> 2:42:12 do you trust this lawyer or not oh yes 100 um okay bring him on the call then no i can't just just um 1344 2:42:13 --> 2:42:21 all right well actually maybe that's a good place to stop yeah um but so thank you very much my 1345 2:42:21 --> 2:42:27 lee for coming on i i think there's more that we haven't talked about um i would have liked to have 1346 2:42:27 --> 2:42:34 known more about cambodia vietnam and laos and what you know about those but um 1347 2:42:37 --> 2:42:43 that would take a long time maybe we can invite you on again is that okay yeah sure yeah thank 1348 2:42:43 --> 2:42:49 you for having me thank you thank you so much and if you get in touch with charles and we'll try to 1349 2:42:49 --> 2:42:55 organize some kind of help for you i can get secret back deep but charles needs to email me in that 1350 2:42:55 --> 2:43:03 case okay to remind me char and then other other expert witnesses so personally i would make it 1351 2:43:03 --> 2:43:08 really difficult for them with your expert witnesses and insist on them being admitted 1352 2:43:08 --> 2:43:16 and that was that will cause the case to be adjourned okay all right but you need so the 1353 2:43:16 --> 2:43:23 lawyer should be able to help you with that you're saying dr bhakti would be happy and mike eden um 1354 2:43:23 --> 2:43:31 he would really think about and he's a former vice president of fiza interestingly so he's 1355 2:43:31 --> 2:43:39 a whistleblower essentially yes yes that would be great that will be terrified of what was secret 1356 2:43:39 --> 2:43:43 back to you has been attacked by the german government so he's obviously dangerous yes um 1357 2:43:44 --> 2:43:49 and we've got other people jj couey should be an expert witness i would ask your lawyer 1358 2:43:50 --> 2:43:58 yeah to say that you are instructing him to instruct my my lawyer is good they're working 1359 2:43:58 --> 2:44:04 with instructor certain expert expert witnesses and that will cause the case to be adjourned i 1360 2:44:04 --> 2:44:12 think they'll have to admit them okay use the box you know yeah so i think you've got an exciting 1361 2:44:13 --> 2:44:19 time playing with them yes future my lead and especially i would emphasize that you come from 1362 2:44:19 --> 2:44:28 cambodia all the time okay it came from the tibetania of cambodia yeah to safety in in 1363 2:44:28 --> 2:44:32 australia and you're very surprised at what's happened in australia particularly in victoria 1364 2:44:34 --> 2:44:40 yes okay thank you do you understand me so they won't be able to yes i understand what you're 1365 2:44:40 --> 2:44:46 saying but you make me feel uncomfortable it is um it is being it's been submitted it is part of 1366 2:44:46 --> 2:44:53 my submission um they were aware of that yeah good yeah i think your biggest weapon is where 1367 2:44:53 --> 2:45:00 you come from that you escaped from that tyranny on a small boat taking huge risks and and 1368 2:45:01 --> 2:45:15 and now you're very surprised that you're living in similar times in in australia