Charles, what was the temperature in Melbourne today?
Seven degrees this morning.
Right. Oh no, at midday, the highest point.
Oh, the midday. The highest point was 13 degrees yesterday and today.
Excellent. So yesterday and today was warmer in Melbourne than in North Wales.
It was 11 degrees today and same yesterday.
That's right. You're in summer, we're in the heart of winter.
Exactly.
I'm not the heart, we're just three weeks into, two weeks into winter.
Yeah. Yeah. So much for global warming.
So it's global warming everybody.
Yeah, exactly. Ridiculous.
Okay, well that's the thing, for the purposes of the recording Stephen, I declare there is no global warming and so do you.
Absolutely. Prove beyond doubt.
Alright everybody, welcome to today's discussion of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
This group was founded by Dr Stephen Frost.
Over three years ago, the desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.
Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist.
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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago.
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I think I saw yesterday that 60 million doses of this H5N1 vaccines arriving, no testing done on it.
Meryl Nash did a wonderful piece on it yesterday.
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and that the medical science battle is only one of 12 battlefields of this latest World War.
And there's no time to be tired.
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So gird your loins everybody, another three years at least.
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And now welcome to our guest presenter, Ian McDermott.
And I'll read some words about Ian for the purposes of the recording.
Those who have received the invite will know about Ian, but I will read this for you.
He's a consultant orthopedic surgeon based in central London, and he specialises in your knees, not your needs, but your knees.
Ian left the NHS over 10 years ago as he wasn't prepared to compromise on the quality of patient care that he was allowed to deliver
because he felt that it was an unsafe environment to practice in and he now works in full-time private practice.
Ian has strong ongoing academic interest, having published widely in his field,
and Ian is recognised as one of the leading figures in the UK in the field of miniscule repair and miniscule transplantation,
as well as in the field of custom-made knee replacement surgery.
All of you that need new knees, Ian's your man.
As well as being an honorary professor associate, Ian is also on the editorial board of two major orthopaedic journals.
He has always been heavily involved in medical politics.
Ian was the president of the British Orthopaedic Trainees Association,
and he then ended up becoming the youngest ever surgeon to be elected as a council member and trustee of the Royal College of Surgeons.
Currently, Ian is the co-vice chairman of the Federation of Independent Practitioners Organisations.
Finally, Ian would like to describe himself as awake and as having an almost pathological hatred of bullshit and of bullshitters.
I subscribe to that proposition, Ian, since I'm an Australian, so we hate bullshit.
We have the world's best bullshit detectors on Australian heads.
And thank you finally, Stephen Frost, for creating this group and for organising Ian to be with us today.
Ian, over to you. We are in your hands, as they say in the classics.
Thank you very much, Charles and Stephen. Thanks for inviting me onto this and for organising it.
I'm going to start by saying I feel like a bit of a fraud.
It's a bit weird to be speaking to people like John Bowdoin and Angus Dalglish.
I really wonder whether there's absolutely anything useful that I can tell you guys,
because I've been following you, so I'm not sure that I've really got much for you to follow me.
Stephen originally asked me to do this based on the idea that I was going to talk about the NHS.
Is that right, Stephen?
Well, actually, Ian, I'm reminded now.
So I saw one post on the Doctors for Patients UK WhatsApp group.
And so you can only be on that group if you're a doctor in the UK.
I did think that was wrong strategy at the beginning, but I think it was right, actually,
because we needed a country where doctors could talk freely to each other.
But I saw a shocking post of yours, Ian, about a month ago.
And I think it was then that I rang you and asked you whether you would come and speak to us, because you in one short post,
you described the NHS and it was heart-rending for me to read it because I recognised it.
Exactly what you said, I felt too.
And I just wonder whether you can remember what you wrote, because I meant to actually send it to you so you could read it out again.
But have you? Can you remember?
I can remember the gist of it, because everything I said was basically just simple truths.
So it's not much to remember, really.
Everybody will have their own perspective on the NHS, and most people in the UK consider the NHS as this holy cow that cannot and shall not be criticised.
It's the best of British.
And I partly agree with that, but largely disagree.
I think it's, if you want an analogy, the best analogy I can give is that it's the world's best soup kitchen.
So in terms of food, if you go to a soup kitchen, it's free at the point of delivery, there's food there for anybody who needs it, but you're going to get some pretty basic grub.
If you want Michelin-starred food, you've got to go to a Michelin-starred restaurant, and unfortunately, this is the way the world is, you're going to have to pay for that Michelin-starred food.
And if you think you can get Michelin-starred food in a soup kitchen, then you're sorely mistaken or, you know, deluded.
So I was in a consultant in the NHS at a hospital called Ealing, which is in West London.
And Ealing Hospital isn't in Ealing, actually, it's in Southall, which is next to Ealing.
And it was grim. It was probably grim.
And I went there out of a combination of naivety and maybe arrogance to a degree, because I went to Ealing Hospital as a trainee.
And at that time, on our training rotation, Ealing Hospital was known as the worst hospital in the Northwest Thames region.
So when I went there, I had a fantastic training experience because as a fourth year registrar, and that's in our training, we did four years special, sorry, six years specialist training.
So four years into that, I was left alone to do everything, like really major complex cases, the kind of stuff that a trainee would never normally get access to.
And so I gained massive experience there, which was great learning opportunity.
You've got to then question, well, was it a great opportunity, was it a great experience for the patients?
Which is a very different question from was it a great learning opportunity for me as a trainee?
And then I went back, I got a consultant job there because I genuinely thought, right, I'm going to make this, I'm going to transform it from the hospital that is least popular on our training rotation to the place where every training wants to go,
because it's going to get the best experience, the best training, we can do this.
So partly 50% naive, 50% arrogant, 100% wrong on both accounts.
What I found out is when you become a consultant, a very important point in terms of what it means to be a doctor.
Come back, go back to the very beginning, wind it back.
From the age of zero, I was told I was going to be a doctor by my parents because my granddad was a doctor, my dad wasn't because he was screamish, didn't like blood.
So I think I was programmed from the age of zero by my parents, you're going to be a doctor.
And I don't resent that at all. I mean, I'm grateful. It's who and what I am.
It's right, you know, deep in my core.
And I wouldn't want to be anything else.
I still don't, I still, even after all that's happened over the last four years, I still wouldn't want to be anything other than the job that I do.
But from the age of kind of five onwards, what we do is we do lots of exams, you know, you learn at school and you've got to have a very good memory.
And you've got to be able to regurgitate the stuff that you're fed, parrot fashion.
And you've got to be compliant. You've got to be a good little boy, a good little girl, and you've got to do what you're told so that your teachers pet.
And if you tick those three boxes, good memory, regurgitate, comply, then you get through the system.
You know, you get your, for me it was, you get your O levels, then you get your A levels.
And if you're lucky, you get into medical school, turn up to medical school.
And again, you learn parrot fashion, you regurgitate parrot fashion, you comply, and you get through medical school.
You think, well, I'll have a bit of autonomy as a doctor, won't I?
Well, no, you qualify, you become a house officer, and you're just a grunt.
You know, you're the photocopying gimp. You do nothing but basic admin tasks, and you're absolutely at the mercy of your seniors.
So you work your way through the ranks as a junior doctor, being told exactly what you can and can't do, and having to fit in with the dick tats of those above you.
And you think, well, don't worry, I'll get there eventually. I'll become a consultant and I'll have autonomy.
So in this country, we get to the age of about 35, and after, you know, what's 35 minus 5?
30 years of complying and regurgitating, and you think you're going to get autonomy, you become a consultant,
you suddenly find out that as an NHS consultant, all you're doing is what you're told to do by the managers.
And the managers are doing what they're told to do by the politicians, and it's all about short-term targets.
So you suddenly find out after all that, you've got minimal, minimal autonomy.
And any time you try and fight a battle on behalf of a patient, what you do is you find you're fighting the system,
and then you're fighting the individual managers, and it's absolutely stacked against you.
So turned up at Ealing Hospital, you know, lots of aspirations, lots of good intentions.
After just two and a half years, which is not long as a consultant, two and a half years of constant battles,
and at one point I kept a folder of all the letters because every time there was a patient problem, every time there was an issue,
I'd write to the chief exec, I'd document it, sorry, I'd document it, I'd speak to my clinical director,
I'd speak to the head of department, the medical director, whatever it took just to make sure that things were clearly documented.
I ended up with a sodding massive folder, and it got to the point where the chief executive, her name was Fiona,
I can't remember her surname now, just as well I can't, she wrote me a letter saying,
I have never in my time received so many letters from a consultant, please stop writing to me.
So I kept that letter and I wrote back to her and I thanked her for her letter,
and it got to the point where I realised that I'd rubbed them up so badly the wrong way that I was skating on incredibly thin ice.
And it also got to the point where my stress levels were so high that it was damaging me physically and emotionally.
You know, I'm an orthopaedic surgeon and orthopaedic surgeons are invincible, you know, invulnerable,
there's no such thing as a weak orthopaedic surgeon, if something's not working hit it harder,
if you can't hit it harder get a bigger hammer.
But I can tell you absolutely guarantee that stress does manifest itself in physical ways,
because I developed the worst eczema I've ever seen, or knuckles, if I just literally made a fist my knuckles would split spontaneously,
and I just was just spontaneously bleeding from my hands, which is pretty weird.
And so I went to occupational health and this lady, you know, went very kindly went through everything and then she said,
do you think you're stressed?
And I kind of laughed at her very loudly and suddenly in a slightly hysterical fashion like an absolute lunatic and said,
I said, stressed? Of course I'm fucking stressed.
And at that point she and I realised that, yeah, this is not great.
And I ended up having something called Healan tape, I don't know if you've heard of that, it's a steroid impregnated sellotape that you sellotape over your skin.
It's weird stuff. It's like super powerful steroid.
And they gave me a couple of weeks off work where I wasn't able to operate so that my hands would heal up and everything settled down, went back to work, flared up again.
And it got to the point where I was going home and I was saying to my wife, please, can I leave?
And she was saying, no, not yet, not yet.
And it got to the point eventually where she said, for God's sake, leave.
So a lot of people may, around London, because it's a bit cliquey, they may think, oh, yeah, well, full time private knee surgeon in central London, yeah, loaded, you know, it's all right for him, working in the private sector.
Well, I left the NHS with pretty much nothing, with an almost zero private practice.
And to put it into context, I had a private secretary with a tiny private practice, and there was so much, so little work when I left, when I first left.
But I had one month where my secretary Mandy gave me a cheque, and this is good old days, a proper handwritten paper cheque.
And she gave me a cheque for the, for what I'd earned for that month, minus costs.
This was what was left over after her salary and room hire and IT and all the rest of it.
And it was 50 quid, 50 pounds.
And I had a wife who was not working, had two kids who were both in private school and had a mortgage, and I had a cheque for 50 quid.
We would have kept it and framed it just for posterity, but we needed the 50 quid, so we cashed it.
And at that point I thought, right, I've got to really get my arse in gear and I've got to start working hard.
And at that point, then I started really committing to my private practice.
And now I'm lucky, I've got great private practice in central London, and I love my job.
And the difference is that in our group practice, I set up a group practice, and there's 10 of us in the practice, and we employ our managers, and our managers are lovely and fantastic.
Our managers don't employ us.
So we ask our managers to do things, because we're not kind of a telling kind of group.
We ask our managers to do stuff, and if they disagree, they'll tell us.
And we'll have a good discussion.
But I'm not in an environment where I'm sitting with managers who dictate to me what to do.
So hence, I can actually do my job now and I enjoy it.
I could give you so many horror stories about what goes wrong in the NHS.
I'll give you just one, because this one epitomised it for me.
This was the most poignant one that sticks in my memory.
As a consultant, I was in the NHS, I was doing hips and knees.
I do nothing but knees now.
But back then I did hips and knees, and I did hip replacements, knee replacements, and revisions, complex revisions.
So I had this lovely gentleman, he had a loose hip replacement.
I did a really, really complicated major revision hip replacement on him, you know, really big op.
Everything went fine.
Went to see him day one, I think it was, post-op.
He's lying in his bed and he's in tears.
I'm like, what's wrong? You know, what was the problem?
He was really, really upset.
And he was lying there, sitting in poo.
He said, I pressed the buzzer, I called, I called repeatedly, I told them I couldn't wait, I needed the loo, nobody came, and I sawed myself.
And I was like, oh God, OK, well, look, don't worry, you know, it's not the end of the world.
Lifted up the bed sheet to have a look, and he was sitting in liquid poo, and it was all over his dressing, where his, where his hip revision hip surgery had been done.
So his revision hip incision was bathed in poo.
And I thought I was going to puke at the time.
I was like, I felt the blood just drain up my face.
And needless to say, he got infected, which meant that he needed to have surgery to have it washed out.
And he's he ended up being very, very, very lucky that actually the infection didn't get in deep and he didn't need a redo of his surgery.
But then I had a massive fight with the nurses who he needed a what's called a suction, a foam suction vacuum dressing.
And they didn't want to do it because it's a bit of hassle.
It's a bit of effort. And they didn't want to do it.
And I had to such a massive fight, I took it, had to take it to the medical director for them to finally agree to do it.
And eventually, once he'd had this dressing on for, what was it, two weeks or something, then the incision after I'd washed it out, the incision eventually finally healed up.
And that was just one story.
And it goes on and on and on and on.
James, James Royal is on the, hi James.
And, you know, James is a, he's a consultant surgeon still in the NHS.
And, you know, all you have to give me a thumbs up or a thumbs down as to whether I'm exaggerating or whether it's whether it's true that these horror stories happen on a daily basis.
Exaggerating or true? Exaggerating? Or, hold on, exaggerating? No?
Or true?
Yeah, it's sad.
So, but you know, we soldier on.
We soldier on with our patients.
I hit a point, I hit a brick wall where I couldn't carry on anymore.
And that's why I ended up leaving the NHS.
And I don't regret it. I'm having to look back for a second.
So that's the context of...
Ian, you remember you were saying that if you carried on within that system, it would destroy you.
And, but I think you were saying that the alternative, that how you're starting on your own as a private doctor was also difficult.
But I'm not sure whether you put that in.
I see you've got to be careful. I've got to be careful what I say now because James is a consultant surgeon and he's still within the NHS.
And I believe what I said in that message was, no disrespect James,
that if you stay in the NHS, it'll either destroy you or you end up having to basically bite your tongue on a constant basis,
which means that you're... please don't take this the wrong way James, but it means that you end up having to...
you're either constantly fighting in which... and that's not compatible.
You can't live in that environment with the managers. They will not allow you to constantly fight. They will get you.
So, Ian, what impressed me about it, you described very accurately the Catch-22 that either way you were going to get destroyed.
And that's what I was...
Yeah, you can fight in which case you'll get done. And I know plenty of surgeons.
You know, this concept of whistleblowers are protected. Bullshit. You know, we all know that's absolute bullshit.
So you can fight, you can put your head above the parapet, in which case they will shoot you down.
Or you can comply, in which case what you're doing is to some degree you're having to compromise your standards,
which means compromising your integrity to a degree. Some people are able to navigate around that.
I couldn't see a way around it.
I couldn't either, Ian. I just couldn't do it.
Yeah. So anyway, that's the NHS in a nutshell.
If you've got an emergency, if you've got something that's on one of their target lists, then you'll probably get half-decent treatment.
If you've got urgent trauma or, you know, like major trauma, then you're better off in the NHS because they're geared up to it.
If you've got anything that's elective, anything that's not life-threatening, anything that the NHS doesn't deem to be a priority,
well then you're almost certainly better off going into the private sector.
The caveat is, you know, we talk about the NHS and the private sector as if they're homogeneous entities, but they're not.
There are fantastic NHS hospitals, there are terrible NHS hospitals, there are terrible private hospitals, there are fantastic private hospitals.
So it really is, you know, it really does depend on where you're talking about.
So that's the NHS. I don't know whether that's fun or overing or depressing.
So Ian, so we're happy to listen to you, we're happy, we'll have a million questions for you.
So it's, we're in your hands, but it's so wonderful to have somebody with your experience, Stephen, having Ian here to speak what your experience was.
Absolutely. Yeah, he speaks from the heart and he's a brilliant speaker as well.
So when I asked him to speak, he said I could talk for hours, Stephen, uninterrupted.
So I said, oh, well, you'll suit the group then. So you can carry on talking, Ian, you're great to listen to.
That's fine. I'm just a little bit conscious of the fact that, you know, the people that I'm looking at, you know, several of the names on this screen, I would consider experts far above my rank.
Ian, they come to watch you. They know what you're going to say.
I think they just turned up and I just happened to be here.
No, no, no, no, no, I can tell you. So Angus has come to listen to what you've got to say.
So Angus has already heard me chat once. We were at a poetry reading event in Reading where Dave Cartland's poetry book was being read and Angus was there.
And the highlight of the event for me was the dinner afterwards where Angus fell asleep at the dinner table and I was throwing bits of paper trying to get me in his open mouth.
And then afterwards when I failed to do I consider, hold on, what if I'd got it in Angus's mouth and he'd have choked and then I'd be famous with the person who killed Professor Angus Dalglish, which would not make me popular.
So, but the good news was the happy ending is every single thing.
You could have saved him. You could have saved him. You could have got him into trouble medically and then you could have saved him.
God, what a hit. Double hero. Yeah.
So, in terms of chatting about other stuff, all I can talk about is my own perspective.
There's no point me talking to you guys about the science because if you're on this group, you already know the science.
I think medical ethics is an interesting thing.
And I think, but again, you guys already know about medical ethics. I think from my personal experiences, one thing that I could potentially share with you that might be of some assistance is my approach from a psychological
or from a perspective of psychology in terms of how to deal with my colleagues.
Now, it's been very, very difficult spending the last four years surrounded by doctors when it's, I think it's fair to say that just to generalise, I now despise the medical profession.
Obviously, I don't despise all doctors, but I am deeply ashamed of the medical profession and how it's behaved over the last four years.
In my defence, the reason that I think that I've survived is because I'm an orthopedic surgeon, not a doctor, which means I don't have to prescribe drugs.
I don't have to have anything to do with the damn jabs.
So I'm several steps removed from that side of things. Also, I don't have to see the consequences.
I'm not a cardiologist like Dean Patterson. I'm not a GP like Dave Carlin.
So I don't have to see the consequences. I don't often have to see the consequences of what's happened over the last four years.
Having said that, even as an orthopedic surgeon who knows very little medicine or can remember very little medicine, I've had patients come in with myocarditis.
I can remember three of those in the last four years.
Never in my life had I seen anybody with myocarditis as an orthopedic surgeon when you're just taking in general medical history.
Three in the last three years or so.
So for me, unheard of. I've had patients with weird rashes, patient due to have a knee replacement next Tuesday.
I got a message yesterday saying he's not going to be coming for his operation.
He's had a heart attack and he's now in a coma.
And he was 65 and otherwise completely fit and healthy. Another nearly died suddenly.
So I do see the consequences, but I'm not confronted with it on a daily basis.
So that's how I think I've survived and remained relatively sane over the last four years.
Am I bitter? Yeah. Yeah. Do I despise the absolute idiots who've fallen for all the obvious narratives?
I utterly despise them. I'm sorry. I'm not one of these nice Christian types who, you know, has a clean and open soul and is wholly accepting and forgiving.
As far as I'm concerned, you know, I'd much rather see Nuremberg 2.0 and see these people who are guilty hang.
So over the last four years, I've been surrounded by deluded and I will call them idiots. I'm sorry.
I mean, people say, you know, you talk about IQ. Well, I judge things on practical merits.
You know, you can call yourself as clever as you like and pass whatever exams you like. You can have a high IQ on paper.
If you're so thick that you jump off a cliff or stick your head in an oven, I'm sorry. You're a moron.
So I'd say these people are thick. They may be book smart, but they're world thick.
And they are deluded. They're completely bought into the narrative.
I do have to be a little bit careful because there are so many people out there who woke up to so much way before I did.
You may well look at me and think you're an idiot. You've only just woken up, you know, three or four years ago, whereas they woke up 10 years ago.
And there is a little bit of a snobbery or a hierarchy within the awake as to just how many rabbit holes you can go down and just how just, you know, just how much you're prepared to believe.
I've got good, good friends who are flat earthers and I don't agree with them. I don't agree with them in the slightest.
However, they're friends of mine and I'm certainly not going to let differences like that get in the way of the fact that we have many, many more things in common than things that we disagree with.
So surrounded by people who bought into the narrative and who are jabberholics and my approach was heavily influenced by a video that I watched very early on.
I don't know if you guys have come across something called After School, spelt with an S-K-O-O-L, after school.
If you look it up on YouTube, it is a fantastic resource of videos done to cartoons.
And there's a video on there about how to deal with mass psychosis.
Oh, sorry, after school, that's right, there was the wonderful those cartoon stories.
After School, S-K-O-O-L everybody, some great videos. Sorry, just keep going in.
There's two that I particularly recommend. One is about mass psychosis and I prefer the term mass psychosis rather than mass formation.
And the other one is how or why do intelligent people fall for obvious things. That's not the exact title, but that's the approximate title.
So the mass psychosis one, it's only about a 30 minute video, it's definitely worth watching.
And around about, I don't know, 17 minutes into it, I think, there's a section about how to counter mass psychosis.
And I think that one of the big mistakes that we've made on our side is that we've tried to counter military grade PsyOps from the government's coordinated military grade PsyOps.
We've tried to counter it with data, with science, with facts, with common sense.
Yeah, but that's not how the government's brainwashed the population.
They didn't brainwash them with science and data. They brainwash them with military grade PsyOps, like three, three word slogans.
You know, stay safe or, that's two words, don't be a granny killer.
Those kind of slogans. And by constantly repeating the message and by using fear.
So it bemuses me a little bit as to why our side haven't employed the use of psychologists to come up with a better war strategy to counter the military grade PsyOps.
And this video from after school does partly offer a suggestion as to how to do that.
First thing it says is don't comply. And that's critical. Just say no.
The more you comply, the deeper into shit you get and the harder it is to get out.
Do not comply. That's the first thing.
Second thing is live your life to the full and enjoy it.
Now don't end up getting suffocated and swamped and depressed by all the bad things because it's very easy for that to happen.
Focus on the positive things and make it very obvious to those around you, especially those brought into the narrative, that you are happy, you are thriving, you are alive, you are healthy.
Third thing that the video recommended was ridicule.
And a lot of people may raise their eyebrows at that, but that's, you know, use humour.
But actually, you can actually be a little bit brutal with your use of humour and laugh at the idiots.
So when monkeypox came along, you know, it's like monkey bollocks get out of here, don't be ridiculous.
And then the India variant and the Kent variant and all the rest of it released the Kraken.
The bird flu. The more that we laugh at it, the more we ridicule it, the more we disempower their message.
So I spent the last four years going around my colleagues, taking the piss out of them basically, saying there's a song.
All of you lot look so intelligent and so well learned and well read that I doubt if any of you have seen a film called Team America.
It's, if you haven't, no matter how puerile it is, you should watch it. It's outrageously funny.
It's basically Thunderbirds puppets.
And it's a whole film and it is an absolute masterpiece. It's a classic.
And in there, there's a song that the lead character sings and it's everybody's got AIDS.
It goes everybody's got AIDS, AIDS, AIDS, everybody got AIDS. He sings it better than I could.
So for a while I was going around telling all my colleagues, you know, you've all got AIDS.
And they're like, what the hell are you talking about? I said, you've all got vaccine induced autoimmune disorder now. You've got AIDS.
And I know that sounds harsh, but there's quite a lot you can get away with if you say it with a smile on your face.
And if you say it with a cheeky disposition.
And over the last four years, that's just one example. I know it's being a bit puerile, but over the last four years, I've been constantly battering my colleagues with facts.
And in a positive fashion. And what I've seen is there's a change.
And this is the optimistic bit for everybody, which is there's a massive change in their demeanor.
I'm still saying the same stuff, but more and more stuff's being published and it's creeping its way up towards the mainstream media.
Recently, there's been a very important article in the BMJ.
Recently, there was a very important article on the front page of the Telegraph.
You know, it's finally, finally creeping through.
And, you know, like water coming through a dam, all you need is a trickle, then it becomes a flood.
And people are beginning to see this stuff.
They're beginning, it's beginning to seep slowly into the consciousness of the mainstream population.
And doctors are becoming aware.
So what you're finding now is everybody goes, oh, no, I'm not having another booster.
Oh, no, no, no. And you're like, why?
You know, why, you bastard? Don't just say I'm not having another one.
You know, you've had five. Why are you not having another one? Oh, I don't really need it now.
They don't want to admit that it doesn't work.
It never worked. And they've got half a dozen complications.
They just say, oh, I won't have another one.
And lots of doctors are now quietly on the quiet, telling their patients not to have any more boosters.
But they won't come out public because they've seen what happens to doctors who raise their head too far above the parapet.
People like Dave Cartland had his career destroyed, being attacked, reported to the GMC, completely victimised.
People like Ahmad Malik, he's a mate of mine, was an orthopaedic foot and ankle surgeon.
He's now lost his career. Sam White, another one.
Mohammed Adil, another one.
And this is just amongst the guys that I know, a small group of people that I know in the UK.
Lots of people have lost their careers.
So people are scared to speak out, but they are saying, oh, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to have any more jabs now.
And I don't think you should have any more.
But so there is a sea change.
And from that little trickle, there's going to be a flood and the dam will burst.
It's beginning to burst now.
So I think, should I pause there? Because there's a few people with hands up.
Yep. And in particular, John is asleep.
That's right. John's been up for 36 hours, Steve. John Lookout.
Yes. Ian, consistent with what you said, I just got this arrived in my inbox yesterday.
Very telling. Love it.
This is what this is what bird food looks like under a microscope.
So very, very clever.
I shall put that thing in there. It's just it's ridiculous.
And in fact, Stephen, we had who was the guy everybody who just said, take the piss out of them.
The guy we stayed with had as a speaker.
Yeah, we. And yes, I agree that we were talking about that two years ago and and talking to psychologists, but they never did it.
There's a severe problem with people seeing what needs to be done and actually doing it.
So the thinkers tend not to be doers and the doers tend not to be thinkers.
Nice. And Karen put a comment in as treated because she's now got more compassion for the NHS staff, particularly who couldn't afford to lose their jobs.
And Karen is an acupuncturist in Scotland treating them.
And, you know, people have been damaged. Many, many staff in the NHS have been damaged.
And, you know, there's an interesting psychological question, but Stephen has the first set of questions.
So we start with you, Stephen, then we got hands up and there's lots of stuff to unpack from what you have shared, including including the SIOP that's done on doctors.
You know what you beautifully articulated that it is have a good memory regurgitate comply at school, then in the medical profession.
And and it's so powerful. And, you know, then we've had doctors.
Stephen has reported other doctors have reported here that doctors don't leave the profession because their wives or husbands, their spouses say, no, no, we can't afford it.
You know, or they don't want their lifestyle damage.
Many have said that. And the overwhelming feedback that we have is when when doctors come here and tell us all their colleagues, I've got a mortgage to pay.
And as a lawyer, I say to them, I say, so your mortgage is you.
You would rather pay your mortgage and kill people than to practice your profession.
I honor you for your courage, Stephen.
Good choice to have Ian here because it's really evidence for all of us about what needs to be done.
And the one question that I have is, how come the GMC hasn't hammered you in?
Yet. So in.
Right in the UK, we've got this vile, vile little group of individuals called the 77th Brigade.
They're part of the of the UK Armed Forces, and it's a military misinformation or disinformation unit.
It's a counter counter misinformation unit.
I think they call themselves.
And it's part of our part of our army.
And they basically the military pay these people to sit in basements at computer screens with multiple, multiple aliases and that go onto social media and attack and basically troll people.
That was OK.
Well, it wasn't OK, obviously, but that's manageable initially.
But what they've done is they've now gone one step further.
And what they do is anybody, any doctor who dares cross their path, they then have a coordinated, coordinated effort to report and report them to the GMC.
And they are working in a coordinated fashion.
So it is pretty damned dangerous.
I think my own personal approach is there's certain topics.
I will tend to stick to certain topics and avoid other certain topics.
And for example, I think it's a very delicate, very delicate path to tread.
And what you've got to do is you've got to avoid handing your enemy ammunition on a plate.
And some of my close mates are perhaps not quite as good as at that as they perhaps could be in terms of putting themselves at risk.
And so you have to fight smart, I think is the answer.
And if you're going to say something, make sure that you can substantiate it.
The best way to make a comment is actually not to comment, but to make to raise a question.
So it's not your opinion. You're just asking a question or to quote somebody, for example, from a study, quote them and then provide the link.
So nobody can actually have a go at you saying this is what your opinion is.
This is what you've stated.
I've not always managed to stay the safe line of that.
So the safe side of that line so far.
No, I don't want to say it. I don't attempt to say it.
But it's nerve wracking.
That's an excellent answer.
Walk the line. And the example that I use, everybody, is if it was World War II and you're in France and the Nazis knock on your door and you say, are you in the French Resistance?
You would never tell the truth.
So you have to play smart and understand from a bigger perspective where these guys are coming from.
They're in a deep population agenda, so they have no compassion and their psychopaths and some people here on the call are aware of the psychology of these psychopaths who really couldn't give a shit about humanity.
So fortunately, Stephen Frost does. That's why I started this group.
So Stephen, over to you for the first series of questions and then we'll have hands up and we'll have a good conversation on this fine line and inspiring other doctors, more and more doctors to come out.
Because the question that exercises my mind in Australia where there are 100,000 doctors, if 20,000 of them speak up, then the system will change.
This group certainly supports that proposition.
So doctors and lawyers are two groups who have absolutely colluded in enabling this scam to happen.
Stephen, over to you.
So, Ian, I think one of the problems is that it's so terribly painful to talk about the fear that we all went through.
So many people, so I, for example, when I was at medical school, I was terrified.
The whole five years I was terrified.
I didn't tell anybody that. And so, and I couldn't tell my parents. I couldn't, I didn't feel I could admit it to anybody.
And then I find out 20 years later that everybody else was terrified.
And I say, why didn't you say to me, you know, we could have got together and given each other comfort, you know.
But everybody thought that doctors, you know, had to behave in a certain way.
And it's outrageous because what they did, they got all the good children, the brightest and the best in the UK.
It was very difficult to get into university at one time.
And it was really, really difficult to get into medical school to the point that my headmaster in my school told my parents in front of me.
He said, Stephen, we'll never get into medical school.
And I was one of the best in the school.
And and he said that they'd only had one girl in 10 years from that grammar school getting into medical school.
That's how difficult it was.
And so you've got these good children who had the best of ideals, who came from good families.
That was in the interest of the patients.
I can see that.
But they these these bastards terrorized and hijacked these good children and took their lives away from them.
So it's not just a case of dying from the jabs.
They people don't understand what the NHS is like.
So it was a very big surprise to me that doctors were taking orders from managers.
I saw that's against what we were taught at medical school.
We were taught the doctor is the one who decides when it comes to medical issues on behalf of this patient.
And that's got lost all along the way.
So the outrage is this that all the people who are terrified of speaking out doctors I'm talking about now, these good children, these the teachers pets, you know,
they you have to almost be a teacher's pet to get into medical school in the United Kingdom.
I don't know about the rest of the world, but that's certainly how it was in the UK.
And it's outrageous that these people who put themselves with the best of intentions.
OK, some of them maybe wanted the status, some maybe wanted the money.
But I didn't see much talk about it in medical school and never didn't hear much.
It was all about the patients.
People were very interested in helping people.
And then they get hijacked by this bastard system, the NHS, which is a cult.
And I just wonder where they go.
And the problem is, Ian, that there are not many people who are who are willing, even if they get what you're talking about, to say what you said tonight in public.
And good luck to you.
Thank you for your bravery.
I disagree with you.
OK, as no, no, I agree with ninety nine point nine percent of what you're saying, Stephen, obviously.
I disagree with the concept of good children necessarily ending up as good people.
And I would suggest something that I think I've discovered now in life is that I agree with you.
Probably the naughty children who are most likely to end up as the good people.
And by good people, I mean people who do good things.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, people who don't just comply.
There's there's a meme on the I've posted.
But you know what I mean.
You know what I mean.
So the whole generation of the brightest and best in inverted commas in the UK has been hijacked by the bastard NHS.
I'm one of them.
I was one of them.
And you another.
Yeah.
You got two ways to perceive or to handle stress or two ways to view stress.
Right.
Either as a negative or positive.
So, like, for example, if I'm if I've got to give a talk at a medical conference, I used to get really, really nervous, you know, absolutely shaky.
And I thought, hold on.
That's not that's not the way to deal with this.
So now if I if I'm going to give a talk at a big conference or anything, do anything scary, the minute I'm going to give a talk, I'm going to give a talk.
I'm going to give a talk at a big conference or anything, do anything scary.
The minute I feel that adrenaline buzz, I'm like, oh, awesome.
This is going to fuel me to give me the energy to do a better presentation.
And I'm going to enjoy it.
So, you know, stress is important.
If there's no stress, you won't bother getting out of bed in the morning.
You know, it's like you won't do stuff.
I know there's there's characters when a stick, but stress can be a real positive.
So it's how you choose to react to the stress.
So in terms of the stress of the bullying environment that the NHS is the system.
And I met some real bastards in my training.
And I learned how not to do things more than I learned how to do things from many of the seniors that I was confronted with.
And I found that inspiring because you can learn as much, if not more, from bad people as you can from good people.
And if you see bad things happening, well, brilliant.
It kick in it.
It wakens up your soul and it motivates you, gives that you that big your conscience, that big nudge saying you've got to do something.
This is one of my favourite.
I don't know how well that shows up.
Pretty good.
Just hold it still.
Everybody, if you go, keep talking.
And if you go to speak of you, everybody, then you get a full picture screen.
If you've ever wondered whether you would have complied during during the 1930s, Germany, now you know.
Yeah.
So I've used that meme as replies to many, many tweets many, many times.
And I think it's it's incredibly apposite that that meme.
Hmm.
Yeah, Charles, did you want to ask John to ask his question before he falls asleep?
Because if he's been awake for that long, he's probably forgotten the question by now.
I'm not going to fall asleep. You can go on.
Don't worry about me.
I'm fine.
So Stephen goes first.
Stephen or should we go to other?
Come on, Stephen's got first, Stephen, and then we'll go to Peter and then John.
Other people would like to know what they think.
Well, Peter, we'll take John first because he's been up for 36 hours.
That's a great effort, everybody.
And I think we should be practicing to be a doctor.
Angus, we said before, you guys are good at being up for 36 hours.
I wish I could do it.
We're going to John then, Peter.
Well, I hope that, you know, this will be reassuring.
But, you know, I wanted to I wanted to just make a comment.
Something you said, Ian, jumped out at me that, you know, you thankfully had nothing to do with, you know, with the jabs.
But I think you can't really avoid having something to do with them, right?
Because isn't and I'm asking your opinion here with the way things are today.
Wouldn't you say that a surgeon such as yourself would probably be hard pressed not to consider a vaccination of pre-existing condition?
Can you say that again? Not to consider?
Not to consider, sorry, not to consider vaccination as a sort of pre-existing condition.
OK, like a comorbidity or a disaster waiting to happen, you mean?
Well, you know, we were all here pretty well aware of what, you know, some of the ongoing symptomatology is and when it shows up and granted, it's all across the board.
Right. But most of them are circulatory issues.
I could see how that would be very problematic for a surgeon.
So, you know, did you ever think that maybe this could be sort of an open door to approach this as an idea?
I don't feel that it's had an enormous or a perceptible impact on people's knees per se or their health to the extent that it's going to prevent them having their knees sorted.
With the caveat of saying that, you know, as I said earlier, I have had patients coming to clinic who said, yes, I've got a history of chest pain and yes, I was diagnosed with myocarditis and I've never ever, ever even heard of that.
You know, I'd heard of it in a textbook, but never ever seen it.
Never had a patient say something like that in the past.
So, yeah, I have seen a few things and at one point I was really, really worried that perhaps the jabs were going to damage people's immune systems so much that people were going to start getting things like prosthetic infections, you know, joint infections, and that was going to become a major, major problem, you know, sepsis, etc.
I don't think I've seen that.
On this call is James, James Royal, and James is a general surgeon in Durham and James is part of the Doctors for Patients UK group that I'm also a member of.
And James has posted many times on that group his experiences of major, major problems that he's seen that do appear to be a direct result of the jabs.
So, you know, with Charles and Stephen's permission, perhaps we might invite James, if you don't mind, James, James to comment on that instead of me.
Yeah, by all means, yes, James, welcome.
Before James you speak and most welcome, could you, Ian, please put up again a number of people have asked that meme that you share, just to hold it a little bit longer because it's pretty powerful.
And again, everybody, best way you can take a screenshot or Ian, if you hold it up, and then I'll read it out and if you keep talking, it says, if you've ever wondered whether you would have complied during 1930s Germany, now you know.
And that's a message, a great meme that Ian, you send to people who are in the compliance game.
I can email that to you, Charles, okay?
Yes, please. And then I'll put it in the chat.
All right, Charles, I think it's important to say that John Lukacs may be making a point to a surgeon, which should have been put to an anesthetist.
So he was talking about the cardiovascular events.
And, John, so the orthopedic surgeon is concerned with the surgery.
Yes, his patient is the patient, obviously, but the anesthetist is the one who's responsible for decisions regarding whether the patient is fit for anesthetic.
So I don't know whether that was what you're talking about, but it's an important distinction.
So that's why I think maybe Ian did understand the question, what was behind it.
It's kind of like my roundabout way of putting myself in your shoes and trying to come up with an objection without being objectionable.
So, you know, nobody seems to think that it's outside your, you know, the types of opinions they would expect to come from you when you're speaking as a surgeon and you're evaluating a particular case for, you know, something, whether or not they can handle it.
There might be lots of factors that are just par for the course, right.
But vaccination over the past couple of years, I think, has raised itself to the level of a serious concern.
And now I'm speculating here. I'm not a surgeon.
But, you know, if all you were asking was, you know, should I go through with this because this person, you know, is likely to fall into a category of, you know, things we see in vaccinated people now.
John, you stand within your bounds, isn't it, without really.
Right. I think I can give a bet. I think I can give a better answer to this.
Thanks for expanding on that.
I definitely reached hit a point a while ago where I was beginning to get fearful for the consequences of the vaccines as to how it would affect people, not just their general health and their longevity in a mortality rates, etc, etc.
But from a more not selfish perspective, but in terms of my actual role and my job, to what degree it was going to start affecting orthopedic surgery.
Now, really importantly, there's a lot of fear porn on both sides.
Yeah, them and us.
And I think it's important that we sometimes acknowledge that.
Because if you spend your whole life on some of these chat groups, you can end up.
It would be very easy to end up feeling absolutely depressed and totally paranoid and very nihilistic about things.
Oh, you know, this is the end of the world.
And if you listen to people like Dolores Carhill, who says, well, everybody who's jabbed is going to be dead in five years.
I don't believe that.
And it's not just that I choose not to believe it.
I genuinely don't believe it.
And I think that a majority of people who are susceptible to the side effects would have got them relatively early on ish after having had the jab.
Most people in the UK are not having repeat jabs.
So most people now are a good distance in terms of time away from their last jab.
Of course, I do understand that there are long term ramifications, but I think most of the serious side effects are likely to happen early on.
And like, you know, major clots and sudden death.
Early ish on.
The longer term effects in terms of immune suppression, autoimmune disorders, fertility, etc, etc.
Those things are less likely to be of direct concern for somebody like an orthopedic surgeon.
They're less likely to be prohibitive, you know, so bad that you're so medically unwell that you're not fit for an anesthetic.
If I could invoke a favorite author, Gilbert Keith Chesterton, I quote him often, was known to say, you know, people generally quarrel because they cannot argue.
And the thing I hate about an argument is that it always interrupts a discussion.
Right. And I think, you know, framing it any way that you have to, to, you know, be a polite rubble in such a situation as you find yourself, I think is probably very important to your survival.
But, you know, at the same time, I can, I can speak to this a little bit.
I would say as an expert because, you know, I've been studying this like a doctor since March of 2020.
And I don't know, maybe with the exception of Albert Benavides, who's regularly on these calls, I've personally read 20,000 vaccine injury reports in Baris, which is a significant number as part of my research.
So, you know, I would consider myself an expert on what the risks are.
But from your position, I would maybe tell you something a little reassuring that I've heard from many people that, you know, it only really takes 3% to push back and stop something that shouldn't be.
And I don't know how many people there are in the NHS. I don't know how many doctors there are in the UK or Europe wide, but maybe there's a good number to maybe be aware of to find out if possibly wherever you are, wherever you have influence, you could garner 3% of those people.
I think it would be enough to protect yourself with.
Well, just to let you be aware, if you're not already aware, please look up on the internet, peoplesvaccinequiry.co.uk.
Right?
Peoplesvaccinequiry.co.uk.
And James put a link in there, John, into the chat.
Well, to the...
So doctors are beginning to gain their voice.
They're beginning to speak out.
We're beginning to gain some momentum.
And it's people like Angus, Angus Dalgliesch, who have been the, what's the word, the vanguard, the frontrunners, the people who've really stood up, put everything on the line, and you've inspired people to give other people the courage to also start speaking out.
I've said to Stephen before that this is a siege kind of warfare.
And you guys, you know, I'm really sorry for you that this happened to you, but you don't have a future in terms of medicine.
You're going to be replaced with kiosks and diagnostic equipment and garbage, and you don't have a place to back up to.
There's nothing to protect.
It's already gone.
So I would say to you, by way of encouragement, that you have nothing to lose now.
It's now or never, right?
I know it's just a horrible thing to ask of any one person.
You know, all the investment in your life has to be, you know, put up kind of as a risk, but it's a worthy risk.
It's a good gamble if just 3% of the people will do it with you.
And I think that without you, we don't really stand a chance.
You're the experts. You have to be the experts.
But John, the problem is the people who've got the magic ingredients, which is the intelligence, the spiritual clarity, right?
They understand the difference between good and wrong, right and wrong.
Yeah. So they've got solid morals.
They've got a solid ethical basis to their personality.
Yeah. And they've got the courage.
Those people are rare as hen's teeth.
People like Angus, people like Dave Cardin, people like Ahmad Malik.
I will stand up there with you.
Yeah, they are.
But they are rare.
And the problem is that the vast majority of our medical colleagues do not tick those three boxes.
And you won't change their personalities.
I thought that's something you'll never do.
So if you can't change them into a courageous hero, then what you've got to do is you've got to work with what you've got.
And you've got to find other ways of either encouraging or forcing them to speak the truth.
And that's the real challenge.
So if you present enough data and if you shine the light on people so brightly that you give them no alternative other than to speak the truth, then you'll get your numbers.
Hoping that people will do it out the goodness of their soul because their personality and their soul are brightened and worthy enough.
Well, if they were good enough people, they would have already spoken out by now.
They've proved themselves unworthy.
We can't rely on them, on their goodwill to speak out.
The bad guys, I'll just say that the bad guys did rely on them, rightfully so, to follow and blend and not make a wave.
But that's where the pressure is coming from.
I think these guys are in retreat.
I mean, they just really, not to beat it to death, but they just really overstep because they cannot hide this ticking clock, which is just producing more bodies.
It's going to overtake them and they know it.
And so those same people that we look at like they're lacking in moral character could just as easily swap over to our side if they felt that the tide was turning around them.
And the enemy does everything that it can to convince them through all their slogans of propaganda and the avenues that are available to them that they are winning when they cannot possibly win.
So we have to take a little bit of a leap of faith.
But I think it's a good leap.
So John, Ian, he's conducting his own style.
So if you listen carefully, he left the NHS over 10 years ago because of the state it was in.
He then formed a private practice from nothing and is now practicing in the centre of London, which is no mean feat when you're outside the NHS.
And now he retains his credibility in the eyes of doctors, unlike me, because I resigned from the GMC, both my license and my registration in 2020 because I knew I needed to speak out.
But I had a different tactic. I formed this group. His way, you can hear the way he's talked about Psyop.
You oppose a Psyop with a Psyop and he's conducting his own Psyop.
I'm not making excuses.
I commend him for that. I don't find fault with you, Ian, in any way.
No, I understand, Ian, John Lukacs. I can understand why you're angry with doctors. I absolutely agree with you.
But the biggest failure of all was not pushing a vaccine that was dangerous and wasn't a vaccine, but that nobody knew what was in the damn vaccine.
So informed consent was impossible to obtain from any patient in the world.
And all doctors should have been aware of that.
That's the Nuremberg Code.
The very basic principles of what it means to be an ethical doctor were breached.
The fundamental basics of medical ethics were completely discarded.
Yeah, I know. I know. And I saw the beginnings of things here and there, some in America, some in Australia, where the people that took the biggest stand, they had less to lose than the physicians.
They were the nursing staff.
And many underground or reports of underground clinics were showing up where these people were so miffed that they couldn't continue caring for people, that they decided a group of us are going to get together and medical boards be damned.
You know, they cannot, it's like if every taxpayer just decided not to file, they couldn't possibly do anything about it.
And so I don't know how well those movements are doing, but they gave me a lot of confidence that something was possible, that the entire bludgeon, which was lowered on you, could be thrown off that way.
Well, it's not that easy to destroy cults. And that's what we're dealing with. The NHS is a cult. The whole Covid crowd is a cult. And it's extremely difficult to destroy.
Can I give you an analogy? I am not religious, but I'll give you a religious analogy.
There was a bloke called Jesus of Nazareth, and he was a loner.
But he had 12 mates who he called his disciples. And from those 12 mates ended up with one of the biggest religions on the planet.
Yep.
Because a mate tells a mate tells a mate.
And so that's the approach that I've been taking.
It's like the Matrix analogy with the red pill and the blue pill. Once you take the red pill, you're awake. You cannot go back to sleep.
You can't, you can't do it.
So the key thing is to wake people up to the reality of what's going on. And even if it's just a small chink in their armour, just wake them up a little bit.
And one of the ways that I found this is just to share a tactic. And none of the all of the things that we do are going to be different.
We're going to take different approaches. What works for one may not work for another, etc.
So no one approach is completely right or wrong. You know what works best in your hands.
The important thing is that we're all trying and that we never, ever, ever give up and we never stop.
Because you wake one person up and that person, once they're awake, will then wake up someone else.
And I think what's interesting, what I've observed is it's a little bit like born again Christians.
You know, who are the loudest, most evangelical Christians?
Well, they're the ones who wake up to Christianity or, you know, who embrace Christianity later in life.
And what you find is the people who are waking up to how bad the last four years have been, tend to be the people who are most fooled and most bought into it.
And when they wake up, they're likely to be the most angry, the most evangelical.
So it's a snowball effect. And the only way to lose this war is to stop and to give up.
The way to win it is to keep pushing, pushing, pushing.
I constantly, nudging as hard as I dare my colleagues, all my colleagues around me, I use on a very regular basis, the slightest excuse in my consultations.
And remember, I'm only talking about knees, but I do take a medical history.
So almost every conversation is a potential opportunity to mention something about the jabs.
Yeah, I want to put a, I want to put a bullet in your, in your gun.
There's a publication out that's I think in its fourth edition now.
It was started by my old book editor, Lani Ray, it's called rattle the wakes.
And she solicited stories from just anybody who wanted, had one to tell to come and attend a meeting and tell about the one thing that happened to them that rattled them awake.
And the one thing that happened as a result of writing these volume after volume of these stories from average people was kind of a transcendent experience almost because they're not the only one.
And those stories, I think more people need to read them.
There's going to be something that resounds with everybody in those books. They're not all about coping. Some of them lost faith over, you know, political candidate they believed in or something else that trivial that just open that door like you're saying.
So that effort is out there, you know, I wanted to just feel like you gave me something to look at. Maybe this is worth having a look at just rattled awake. So I got to remember.
And another key thing to remember as well.
And this is important because we, you know, this has been a long, long war of attrition, and it's, you know, huge psychological damage being thrown at all of us.
People have lost friends, people have lost family members.
I don't just mean died. I mean, you know, lost in terms of friendships.
My own brother.
Okay, let's go. We're going to move on. Thank you. Thank you, John. Well done for staying awake for the for the question. All right, let's go to Peter.
Underwood.
Hello, Ian. Thank you so much for a stunning discourse, let's say, because the I mean, we've covered a lot of ground in the last sort of 30, 45 minutes.
And you say you're not religious.
Well, that might be so, but you certainly have.
Energy of a spiritual nature, I might add, and I recognize that I.
I came from commerce and business for 50 years of my life, and I retrained as a humanistic counselor in 1995.
And I began to understand very much about the psychology of.
The fear, I think that's in people, the fear of living almost.
And then I joined an organization in Britain in 2021, which was set up known as vaccine buddies, and I joined them because.
The British government were promoting.
The proposition that there were vaccine hesitant people.
And we as vaccine buddies were to join up with these people and convince them that vaccines were a good thing.
Now, I didn't believe that, but I joined them because I think you need to keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
And thus, I wanted to know what the British government were trying to achieve.
It horrified me actually, because.
During the course of that exercise.
I was encouraged to get pregnant women to take the vaccine.
I knew this was a bad thing. I was fortunate in.
January 2020 to meet Jerry Brady.
In Brisbane, who educated me about a thing I didn't know about was an M RNA never heard about it.
But I knew by March that this was a lethal thing.
And I saw how the and we talked about and you've talked about the.
The 77 Brigade, the.
Military grade psychological operation, the British government and their acolytes.
Engaged in in.
March before that January 2020 and probably designed long before them.
And it horrified me that my own government, I'm not there anymore.
I got out the hell of the place quickly.
Because I realized that trust in government.
Institutions medical institutions, NHS, whatever had failed me.
Now that wasn't my own personal experience.
I can tell you that.
Whole of my life I have relied on the NHS.
They've served me well.
The overall hospital took my gallbladder out.
The consultant was absolutely wonderful.
He came and explained the whole thing to me as we went through the process.
It was I can't have any complaints against the NHS from my own personal experience.
And what you've told us about the NHS and the.
What can I say? A whole pyramid of management organizations that have destroyed what really is true medicine.
That is do no harm.
And I'm afraid that's gone away.
There were many other things I want to say, but there are lots of people that want to talk.
So I just wanted to thank you, my friend, for reinforcing what we all here know.
And I'll end with saying that satire is the.
The I use it a lot and I think that ridicule and laughing at these people really screws them.
They don't like it.
And my comic Messiah, John Cleese, Monty Python, I put it in the chat.
In this particular case, it's just a little skit.
About pulling.
The.
What I say, pulling.
I mean, just taking the P out of the trends.
Psyop that's going on at the moment.
And if anyone wants to look, it's in it's in the chat.
It's a little four minute Monty Python sketch.
And I think it demonstrates that that's the strength.
So I do think you're driven by a spirit which you know, don't love.
But I think it's there, my friend, and I walk with you.
I think thank you very much for being here.
It's very nice of you to say that I live by.
I've learned with time to live by one main adage, and I'm not sure that I can actually share it with you all because this is being recorded.
So I'll I'll not say in full.
Hang on.
What we'll do.
Hang on one second.
We'll pause.
No, no, no.
You can say it.
I'll say it.
I'll say it discreetly.
It's really easy.
This can replace the Quran.
It can replace the Bible.
It can replace all religious texts.
It's easy.
This is the way to live your life.
Don't be a see you next Tuesday.
What's it?
Yeah.
You don't need anything else.
Just just don't be a.
Yeah, see you.
Yeah, we know.
Yeah, good.
Easy.
Very good.
Nicely done.
All right.
Thank you, Peter.
Okay, JB.
John Brown's body lies a mold in the grave.
John Brown's.
Oh, sorry.
Different JB.
Is that the same John Brown of Harper's Ferry you're talking about?
Is it?
Not a civil war, I think, wasn't it?
John Brown famous.
No, no, it was before the Civil War.
Yeah, no, you're talking about the right guy.
Okay, Ian.
Wonderful.
I'm terrified right now.
I'm absolutely terrified of what you may say because I think you're a legend.
And I'm going to.
How do you know?
The only thing I'm likely to do is disappoint you.
Don't make me feel weird.
I don't know why you even know who I am.
But thank you.
No, I felt as though I was listening to myself for the first 20 minutes of what you were saying.
The comedy thing is spot on.
I mean, if I knew how to get to Roseanne Barr, I have a whole show written for her.
It'll go to number one.
I don't know if you know what happened here, but they tried to bring back the Roseanne show.
They brought back the cast and everything, and she made a comment about Valerie Jarrett.
And so they canceled her and killed the show.
Well, that's that's them.
The networks.
There's no reason why she can't do a similar show on, say, Rumble.
And I have a script and I have a whole thing called Roseanne's Kitchen and people come by and it's all comedy.
You know, daughter walks in with blue hair, somebody trans walks in, and it's just basically making fun of all this woke BS.
I have a lot of scripts in my head written.
So, yeah, comedy is the way out.
I've always said comedy is the way out.
You're right. Absolutely right.
Three word catchphrases do not comply is the easy one.
It's at the end of these short videos I have.
But I would ask you to consider what I call hierarchical marketing.
And you have the same message throughout.
You're going to catch different people.
So you have a logo.
The logo is associated with kind of your your theme or your company.
You have a two or three word slogan, a catchphrase, a thesis statement, and a paragraph, an article, a research paper, a book.
You see the hierarchy is getting more and more detailed and they're all consistent with each other.
And they get different people like the research papers are going to get the scientific community.
The book is going to catch a little bit more.
The article is going to be read by maybe economists and all all college educated people.
A paragraph might be read by even, you know, stay at home moms.
Everybody's going to look at a catchphrase and you catch all the kids with the little and then you go to the videos, right?
Tick tock 10 to 30 seconds.
You've got Twitter and Facebook one to three minutes, rumble 10 minute up to a 45 minute lecture and a 90 minute podcast interview.
So you have different hierarchies all with the same theme.
You hit everybody with the same message.
In other words, I'm saying what you said.
It's we're not smart on our side.
We are disparate groups and individuals.
Our problem is is our strength.
We didn't go along with everything because we're independent people.
We're not a bunch of robots.
They have that strength of being robots and just following along.
I would ask you and anybody.
I need help with European data.
I've not looked at it.
I guess Woodward and Norman Fenton and his team, Scott, Scott's on right now.
I have Ed Dowd.
I don't have it.
I've asked Ed's crew, Carlos, Allegria, you're a fun sake to do and one seven acute renal failure.
They're only a couple of weeks away from releasing.
Probably we came up with the same numbers, two separate databases, two separate groups, two different methodologies came out with one hundred and fifty thousand excess acute renal failures in the United States.
In the past three and a half years, while Europe is important is that I believe most of these acute renal failure deaths pertain to United States protocols.
And if Europe used different protocols, you can't say the disease caused it.
If it didn't happen in Europe with the same disease that happened in the U.S., then it was the doctors in the hospitals who were killing people.
And a study of one seven in Europe would be fantastic.
If we could get that done in a couple of weeks.
So if anybody knows how to get one seven, that's the ICD 10 code prefix for acute renal failure.
If anybody knows how to get that data and take a look at it, I don't have time right now.
But, you know, I guess Woodward and Norman Fenton and Scott McLaughlin and Martin Neal would be probably my first choices, but they seem kind of busy.
Lastly, Angus is on here and you mentioned to me, and I have a bunch of cancer stuff I'll be getting into.
I now have a third state and that third state makes the total of the three states comprise five percent of the population of the United States.
That's pretty significant.
One point four million non-redacted death certificates.
I have everything.
Different cancers are up in different states only because I believe the medical examiner's offices in different states write different words, which are then automatically coded by the software and different things.
But they're the same manifestation of a disease in the human body.
Lastly, you were talking about, you know, how this is done with doctors and you're disappointed in doctors.
And I would just remind you and other people that everybody is an individual.
This was so well planned that they knew that they would get about 60 percent in the United States through solicitation.
And then you top, it's called topping off.
You get another 30 percent through coercion.
You've got 90 percent.
You get maybe another five percent by making examples out of those who didn't fall into the coercion.
And as you make examples out of them, the others are coerced by by reference.
So now you're up to 95 percent.
You only have to suppress five percent from having any voice.
And that's how they did it.
So the different personalities they knew would fall into different buckets.
And it's just they're just topping off until they get to a certain percentage where it's done.
And they did it.
They're all in.
They didn't do it.
They fail.
Well, we're still here.
We're still here.
You're publishing Angus is to giving interviews on a constant basis.
We're winning.
They didn't win.
They nearly won, but they've lost because we're beginning to win.
We will win because we won't stop.
So I absolutely I challenge the nihilism of your tone.
Yeah, I come off that way sometimes.
No, I always say we will win.
We will.
They can't win because we won't stop.
And more and more people are waking up.
But waking up to what?
I mean, this wasn't about selling vaccines.
They threw the vaccine market under the bus.
They knew that so many people would die that everybody would stop taking the flu.
Vax guys I know in their 50s, 60s and 70s that took the flu Vax for the last 20 years or whatever.
They'll never take another one again.
The market's dead, but they used it to install global communism and take take over the U.S., change the elections and do all the stuff they did.
But how's that going?
Because in Europe, at least, it certainly looks like the far right.
And it's not what you and I would call far right.
I'm beginning to take power.
And, you know, I hesitate to make any comment at all about American politics because I'm by no means an expert.
But from what I can see, it looks as if there's significant hope that Trump will be the next president, despite what's going on.
And I don't know whether it's absolutely naive to think that he's the knight in shining white armor who's going to come to save everybody, because I do have significant concerns about him.
But he's compromised when they found his ex-wife at the bottom of the stairs dead from blunt force trauma to the torso.
That was it.
Nobody talks about it.
Hardly anybody even knows about it.
Two years ago, Ivana Trump was found at the bottom of the stairs.
If you're going to send a message to him, killing one of his kids was probably too much overboard as the first message.
Dana White, who's very good friends with him and runs the UFC, said that he'd never heard Trump so upset in all the decades that he's known.
He only said it once, and he's not said it since.
Sorry, John, did you say that Ivanka, his daughter?
No, no, no.
Ivana, his ex-wife, Ivanka's mother.
Right.
Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka's mother, Ivana Trump, was found at the bottom of the stairs two years ago at blunt force trauma to the torso.
She fell down the stairs coincidentally right around the time he was talking about running again.
Wow.
We didn't know that.
Wow.
I don't know.
Nobody pays attention to the small details.
So that wasn't reported much?
It was reported, and then poof, gone.
I mean, they don't want to make a big thing out of it because people will dwell on it and start to wonder.
Wow.
I didn't know that.
20 million fighting-age men came over the border.
They're mostly aggregating around land that's around military bases.
They're now screwing with the food production with H5N1, right?
They're playing up to H5N1, talking about all the vaccines they're going to make everybody take.
No, it's for animals.
They're going to kill a bunch of animals, create a food shortage.
They're going to use those 20 million fighting-age men, hand them the military weapons, and they're going to be the protection for the regime if there even is an election.
If Trump gets in, that's because he's compromised.
If he doesn't get in, communists never go backwards.
They're not going to do two steps forward, one step back.
So bring it on.
I'm ready.
They're going to kill a lot of people, but that's the way it's going to go.
And I'm not being down.
That's kind of like, hey, we had the easiest time of any generation in human history.
We didn't have to do anything.
I mean, I'm sure you're younger than I am because I'm looking at you, but we had it the easiest in human history.
No Vietnam, Korea, World War II, World War I.
None of that stuff.
We didn't have to deal with it.
Not pre-Penicillin.
We had it so easy.
It's coming home to roost.
John, what a great time to be alive.
Oh, man, this is I look at it.
This is going to be fun.
Every morning, every morning.
It's literally popcorn.
Yes.
As you catch up with you, catch up with the events of the last 24 hours.
It's every morning.
It's popcorn.
Yeah.
So John said two years ago, I think on this group that he said that he would not stop fighting these bastards who are responsible for what happened in the last four years.
Now, until the day he died.
Yeah, I don't have much to I lost my son and a motorcycle accident.
So I'm just trying to save other kids.
Oh, I got to say somebody mentioned like kids who fall for stuff and then kids who don't.
So my really good student, my first born, who's now gone, he always followed the rules and he was upset that other people didn't follow the rules.
Then my middle son, who's a terrible student, just as smart.
These kids, those two are very smart.
And the middle one went up to the school in 2017 and tried to paint over the Rainbow Crosswalk.
Somebody ratted him out, gave the police a picture that went around in their little group and cost me two thousand dollars for a lawyer.
And they wanted it.
It went on the news as a hate crime in six states, Colorado, Florida, I mean, two thousand miles away, Colorado, Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, North Carolina, New York, Massachusetts.
It was on Facebook, tens of thousands of views.
They wanted a 16 year old boy for putting paint on asphalt.
They wanted him in prison for at least five years.
These people are crazy.
They're absolutely off their, they're out of their minds.
So I did a state FOIA.
I found out that it's actually a centralized planned thing where the principal said, in the words of Peter DeWitt, like, who the hell is that?
I look him up.
They're sending teachers from all states, right, to this guy and other people like him to indoctrinate them and to get them to bring back these communist woke ideas to the school systems.
This all didn't just happen by accident all at the same time.
It's all planned.
They want to divide society on different gender, gender preference, race, religion, divide us all and conquer us.
And it's all done on purpose.
And these kids killing themselves because they're gender confused.
They're just they're just confused teenagers that they latch onto.
But yeah, it's all planned.
So if anybody wants to step forward and do an N1 7 study, but I'm really particular with who I work with.
So just so I don't want to get to ask.
That's the help that that John needs everybody or anybody if you know who could help.
Thank you, J.B.
Good job.
And I also disagree with you, John, that nothing's happening.
No one's doing anything.
Everyone's doing stuff.
And the beauty is that because all of us because Ian's doing what he's doing, Stephen's doing what he's doing, I'm doing what I'm doing.
And we're a whole bunch of moving targets, John.
You're a separate target.
And I'm with all of you.
You know, we will win.
The only question is how many dead bodies is going to be?
How many casualties is going to be in this war?
Now, I want to share with you.
He's doing anything.
Charles, did I say nobody's doing anything?
Yes.
You said we're all totally disorganized.
You said we're totally disorganized and now what?
You use the words.
I've got the word.
No, that's different.
No, we're not strategic.
No, my whole career is putting together strategic plans.
There's doing stuff, but it's it's ad hoc and it's low utilization.
That's the beauty.
We are unpredictable targets because the difference between us and machines is imagination.
That's the big difference.
And our weakness is our power.
It's a guerrilla warfare.
Now, thank you, John.
I love it.
So, John, and I want to share with you everybody.
We get to share in a moment.
I want to share with you.
I just got a note from Germany from Roger Battelle.
Just let me read it out to you about Reiner.
The situation has descended into total absurdity.
Roger Battelle.
Everyone look up battelle.tv.
B-I-T-T-E-L.
His close friend of Reiner reporting closely.
He's at the he's at the courthouse.
Roger is reporting about the reasons for the heavy handedness from yesterday.
That's one day.
I can't even put into words how insane the situation has become.
Ostensibly, the reason for Reiner's treatment and newly imposed isolation is that the lead judge felt, quote, threatened, end quote.
No explanation.
Just the consequence that Reiner was further subjected to severe punishment.
As we heard at the top of top of today's meeting, he was in irons and then limiting Rogers media outlet being censored by YouTube.
And it appears they don't want him to be able to report on the court at its verdict.
So that's I'm just reporting to you and we'll go on to share.
I just wanted you to be aware of what's happening.
What did you say in irons or what did you say?
He was in irons yesterday when he came into the court.
Oh, you mean cufflinks?
No, no, in his leg irons.
How ridiculous.
Leg irons and cufflinks.
You know how they come in with with irons on hands and feet.
So this is how this is the show trial, everybody.
So anyway, we're aware of it.
I will put into the chat the address that you can send a postcard to Reiner in the prison.
I would like to suggest that if he got 50 postcards over the course of the next week from us, you're not allowed to send any money.
You're not allowed to send anything, but postcards work well.
And part of my game plan is to I'd love to flood the German jail with a million postcards from around the world.
But that's not as we are going to that at the moment.
Sharon.
Hello, everyone.
And thanks.
I just want to respond to Ian's comment because Dolores isn't here.
And I'm not surprised that you don't believe what she said about everyone jabbed will be dead within five years because the actual horrors of what they've got planned is quite unbelievable.
It really is.
And it doesn't involve directly the jabs directly.
There's a lot of little different connected ways that they yeah that they have planned.
So anyway, I wanted to suggest maybe that you invite Dolores next week, I think, a speaker if you haven't already got somebody so she can answer those questions.
And she's always fun.
You know, and the depth of the scientific knowledge is just lumped very well.
Yeah, that's all really.
Sharon, she can have them not next Sunday, the Sunday after.
So I think we've got guests that I can't remember who they are, but the next Sunday and then Tuesday.
But then she can have the Sunday after.
Yes, there's all the spiritual one.
Oh, that'd be great.
I'll get her to get in touch with you.
But yeah, I'm not surprised if people don't believe things.
Can I just explain some of the logic behind why I'm questioning some of what Dolores says, only some of what she says.
Right, number one, I don't believe for one minute that they were able to manufacture with good manufacturing practice, billions, billions of miles of mRNA in the timeframe that they did.
I strongly suspect that, and it's only a suspicion, but I strongly suspect that a significant percentage of those files were just plain saline, just placebo.
First thing, I did all the math on that.
Not everybody who was given a jab necessarily received mRNA.
The second thing is that, you know, if you look at the Find My Batch website, the mortality rates are heavily skewed by according to what batch or heavily batch dependent.
Right.
There are people here with bigger brains and better scientific acumen than I, who will be able to give you a more accurate answer, but it's something like 95%.
These are just broad figures, right?
Please don't quote me.
But let's say 95% of the really serious adverse events occurred in about 5% of the batches.
Some batches, for example, in New Zealand, where reportedly of 50 people, 52 people, I think it was, who received vaccines from one particular batch, 52 are now dead.
Now, that's a scary thing from one perspective, if you were unlucky enough to have a jab from a bad batch, or you could say it's quite an optimistic chink in their armour for all the people who didn't receive a bad batch, or whom, remember initially we were told that the mRNA vaccine was a bad batch.
Remember, initially we were told that the mRNA vaccines had to be very carefully temperature controlled.
They had to be transported at minus 70 degrees and thawed, following a very careful protocol, and all of a sudden they said, well actually no, that protocol doesn't matter, just, you know, stick it in the fridge or, you know, stick it on the shelf and just jab it in anywhere.
There was very, very little in the way of manufacturing consistency or consistency in process.
So all of those are positives that can make us hope that a significant number of people who were jabbed were possibly not jabbed with either any or perhaps sufficient mRNA to cause long lasting damage.
So that's where my optimism comes from.
You're 100% correct, but it's not just the mRNA that is the mechanism of action that they've planned.
And it has to do with the next pandemic and how they're going to simulate the symptoms in people and simulate the fake positive test results.
So it's a tangled web of, yeah, it's a whole lot.
But if 5% of us stayed awake and fought back this time from the spam, scamdemic or plandemic, whatever you want to call it, number one, then I optimistically predict that at least 25%, if not more, will be awake and will fight back for the next time.
And I'd hope it'd even be higher than that.
So I think we've got a choice.
You've got a choice.
Let's say you're running a marathon and you're running a marathon for two reasons.
One reason is if you don't run 26 miles or whatever it is, I'm going to hit you with a stick.
Second reason is you're running it for charity.
And if you complete that marathon, you're going to earn loads of money for a really good cause.
Well, you can run the same marathon.
For one of them, you'll hate every single step and every single step will be agony and pain, and you get to the end and you'll collapse and you'll be in absolute agony.
For the other, you'll still run the same marathon, you get to the end and you'll feel elation and positivity.
So if we're in a marathon, perception is really important in terms of maintaining our psychological robustness.
And you have to have a degree of optimism, otherwise you end up knee-holistic.
So I'm absolutely adamant that I will argue against Dolores's dire predictions.
And I think it's important, whether I'm right or wrong, I think it's really important that we fight with a feeling of optimism.
Now, as a hypnotherapist, I'd have to agree on that aspect because the power of positive thought can really produce miracles.
There is a superpower, right? And it is the power of unmitigated, unbridled, unjustified self-confidence.
Nice. Thank you Sharon. So let's get Dolores, Stephen. That's a great idea. We haven't had her on here for a long while.
I was going to say that anyway before you even said that, Ian. So yeah, thanks anyway.
Thank you, Sharon. Okay, Jeremy in the Channel Islands here, Ian.
Oh, right. Hi. Yes, I found this really, really good call today. Thank you, Ian, and for everybody else's comments.
I mean, I've sort of had my sort of question answered in some respects. But just a quick one. I know Angus is on the call.
I just want to mention the fact he's got two of his students on the call who are obviously trained very well because they didn't listen to a word of this narrative.
And it's lovely having people like Angus speaking out because I'm sure he must inspire so many others.
Although having said that, these two I know were shut down by their colleagues who they trained with.
And Ian's probably been subject to that as well from his medical colleagues. I concur entirely with your view, Ian.
I have nothing but, yeah, I just despise most of my colleagues. I just do not know where they are, where they're coming from, what's gone wrong with them.
I really find it very difficult at times. Just to give you an insight of here, I'm actually a dental practitioner.
I was contacted by, Angus was on a Zoom meeting for Jersey for vaccine injured in Channel Islands.
They invited all the politicians, emailed all the medical practices, and I was approached by some of my patients.
I posted in our group for all the dentists. Not one single reply, not one comment.
I just asked, has anyone actually seen this? Is anyone aware of this Zoom call that's going on? Not one comment.
No doctors turned up, no politicians turned up, although I believe the politicians are advised not to by the legal attorney general.
So it sort of tells you what we're about. And then I had a very upsetting meeting two nights ago just with I've got some very, very good friends who don't live here.
They're out in Singapore, I was chatting to them and their kids, and they're just delightful, lovely people.
And I asked them what they're doing, and they are still being vaccinated. They're up to number five or number six.
And they wouldn't let, and the kids, you know, four, and you know, flu and, you know, this one.
And they wouldn't have it. They wouldn't listen to me. I couldn't get through, you know, I had to sort of let it drop.
And it was, it was so, so sad when you see people who are really kind, considerate people who, you know, they just won't listen.
They are so in the zone. And then the nice thing about this call, which is, you know, the comment I'm really making is, it's really good.
The comments you made about the school site. I'll definitely go on the, as I've asked the Charles to support the chat to me because I'm on my phone.
I can't save it because I'd love to know how to break through better to some of these people and just just prevent them from make make them listen so they could open them up to listening so they don't harm themselves anymore.
Because it's just so very, very sad. It really is.
Jeremy, there was, there was one tactic I didn't mention that I think is really important. It's worth mentioning, which is I'm quite a blunt individual.
You know, I'm a typical, typical orthopedic surgeon, you know, like stereotypical. Yeah.
I call a spader shovel and the my my natural style is bullish and confrontational.
And I'm aware of that. And I do try and temper that sometimes.
And what I found is that any time I go in hard against somebody, then instantly, it doesn't matter what you say.
It's how you say it. If you if you say something that's absolutely unshakably obviously correct.
But if you say it the wrong way and if you get their back up, then it doesn't matter what you say.
They they've already disagreed with you. And in their brain, they will find any excuse that they can think of any anything at all just to shut you down because they you have challenged who and what they are.
So when you go in hard, evangelical, didactic, bullish, you're probably going to fail.
What I've learned, which was, you know, a real painful awakening for me because this is not a natural trait for me is but I'm lucky.
I mean, I'm married to a very wonderful, beautiful woman who's far more intelligent than I am.
And I learned from her on a constant basis.
And so although actually, I'm just going to think of it. Is this how she handles me?
So, yeah, right.
So, yeah.
What what I've got one of those.
What I've tried doing is find a point of commonality.
Right. So if somebody if you're fighting, if you have the analogy, you're fighting somebody and and they're in armor and it's impenetrable armor and you're hitting them with an axe or a sword.
You can't get through. Look for a chink in their armor.
You know, a join a little gap. Right.
Find that little gap in their armor.
Prize it open. Why can you and you've got a point of entry?
Yeah. So I've got a colleague who's absolutely what's the best way to put it.
Willfully ignorant.
He's determined no matter what facts or data or papers you present to him.
He will always manufacture an excuse to just to poopoo it to disagree.
OK. And he thinks he's a good socialist.
You know, one day he might even listen to this recording, but I very much doubt it.
He thinks he's a good, good, solid socialist.
He hasn't got a faintest fucking clue what that really means.
And so I couldn't get through to him.
So what I did is I thought, right, well, what will he care about?
And then there was a report by UNICEF about and I can't remember again.
Right. Forgive me. I'm not very good at quoting exact details, but there was a report
maybe 18 months ago and UNICEF report stated that as a as a direct consequence of the First World War,
lockdowns, 100 million more people in the third world were being pushed into poverty.
So that is there is a report out there if you want the exact numbers, you know, check it, you know, look it up.
So I said to my colleague, yeah, yeah, well, you know, you're I know you're not convinced that,
you know, whether about lockdowns were good or bad or the degree to which they were necessary,
the degree to which they helped. But I said, yeah, yeah, well, you know,
the degree to which they were necessary, the degree to which they helped.
But have you seen this report?
100 million more people pushed into poverty worldwide simply because simply to make you feel possibly a little bit safer.
You know, and gave them the report.
And and that really got him right.
It got to him because he's well, hold on.
I can't just say I don't care because that will make him a bad little socialist, not a good little socialist.
Yeah. Yeah. And all of a sudden that knife is just in that little chink between two plates of armor.
And then you go twist and you give them a little bit more, a little bit more information.
And I'm still just drip, drip, drip. Yeah.
And slowly getting in there.
So it's like a warrior in. Yeah, I'm not as sick as I am.
It's good. That's good. Very good. Fine.
Or a patent interrupt, Jason, Christoph, all of us.
And you started right at the start, Ian, that you can't you can't break through a not an armor suit developed through emotion with data.
Right. That's the point.
All right, Jeremy. Thank you. I'll get that.
Put it another way, Charles. You can't break a cult with data.
Nice. That's even even better. You can't break a cult with data. Very good.
Now, two things before we get to Peter again.
In on Monday, Ian, we had the Kings just to show you how the game is played.
Remind you all this here. I have the 440.
A King's birthday honors given by the federal government in Australia two days ago.
Okay. And again, I've gone through these numbers.
Two of the premiers of the states of Australia, the worst ever, the most evil corrupt Daniel Andrews and Mark McGowan both got the highest possible.
A.C. Companion of the Order of Australia. Okay.
I've gone through this. The health professionals make up 5% of the workforce in this country.
30% of these awards are given to health professionals.
But that's the way the scam is maintained. All right.
These badges of honor. So that's another step in the Psi-op.
Number one, anything, anything given to anybody by a royal is not a badge of honor.
It's a badge of dishonor. It's a it's a round target that tells us where to shoot.
Nice figuratively. Of course.
And for Daniel Andrews, Dick Dann, I call him to get this.
It's going to become a magnificent wake up call.
And precisely, as you say that they took a poll of thousands of people, 95% of Victorians.
Were implacably opposed to this award and 5% in favor.
And this will be the wake up call. Another tool in the wake up call of this stupidity.
Second, a 17 year old girl called Dizelle never heard the name D-A-Z-E-L-L-E in Australia needed a heart lung transplant.
No hospital would do her because she hadn't been jabbed.
She died this week. Sorry.
It's murder. What a disgrace. She didn't die.
Still, she didn't just die. She was right. That's correct.
Heart lung transplant refused in Australia because she wasn't jabbed.
Thirdly, thirdly, thirdly, this is an important practice for all of us and John JB and John Lukacs and the like.
There's a wonderful, wonderful principle of getting ready, which this group does for us, getting ready for tough times.
And Tim Ferriss, who I'm a big fan of this wonderful book, Tools of Titans.
He talks about he talks about Seneca and his moral letters to Lucilus and basically says all of us.
And we talked about this principle before the willingness to suffer.
You know, if we are trapped in comfort, if we never suffer, we are we can't conceive of putting up with tough times.
And then Tools of Titans page 475, Tim Ferriss, he says this.
How do you practice suffering?
And I urge all of you to think about this.
And you talked about the marathon, Ian.
That's one way to say what, you know, when did you practice?
And Tim Ferriss has a number of bullet points here.
This is what he does on a regular basis.
He says from three to 14 days at a time to simulate losing all my money.
He says sleeping in a sleeping bag, whether on my living room floor or outside.
Next one, wearing cheap white shirts and a single pair of jeans for in the entire three to 14 days.
Next, using couch surfing dot com or a similar service to live in hosts homes for free, even if in your own city.
Eating only a instant oatmeal and or rice and beans for three to 14 days.
Just practice this next.
Drinking only water and cheap instant coffee or tea.
Cooking everything using a Kelly kettle.
This is a camping device that can generate heat from nearly anything found in your backyard or on a roadside twigs, leaves, paper,
fasting, consuming nothing but water and perhaps coconut oil or powdered MCT oil and accessing the Internet only at libraries.
And it's a good reminder that if you and I agree, if you avoid doing difficult things, when difficult times come, you'll just collapse in a heap.
So you don't need to learn.
That's the point, Charles.
If you if you're never uncomfortable, you never have to think.
And that's the problem for people who've got too much money as well.
They never they throw money at every problem.
That's the temptation.
So I think we've been far too comfortable for far too long.
Well, actually not very long.
In fact, last 50 years.
So there was John John, you made the point in your John Baldwin.
He fallen asleep.
He has narcolepsy.
He tells us to turn the camera off when he falls asleep, which he has now.
He's very good at that.
How good is that?
Go to sleep instantly.
Yes, he said we've had we've lived in fantastic times.
And I suppose that's why I read that list out to go, hey, be willing to suffer.
And Ian, you are and Stephen, you are and I am.
All right, let's move on.
We've got and Charles to both to that point.
Solzhenitsyn was asked why when he got to the United States, he couldn't he didn't write.
And he said, because I'm not suffering.
He couldn't do it.
That's right.
We made that quote.
Yeah. Yeah.
All right. We've got 27 minutes to go.
Ian, you OK for the last 27 minutes?
Beautiful.
Peter, then Glenn and then Stephen finishes with the last questions.
Thank you, Charles.
I just had to quote this subject of suffering.
The Buddhists say the suffering is caused by desire.
If you can let go of desire, you can let go of suffering.
And that's something that served me well.
I just wanted to draw his attention to I write a weekly letter that I post on the Internet on Substack.
And Peter McCulloch said something that I've picked up and I'm actually publishing this week on Saturday.
And he says, I think once people and we're talking about this difficulty of getting people to understand what's happening, I think once people take this treatment, they can't psychologically handle the idea that it could have been a giant personal health mistake.
And most of these people will say, I don't want to talk about it.
And even doctors suffer this denial.
There's a quote on that.
What is X or Twitter or whatever it is from a guy called Dexter.
And he says at our doctor, he told my wife and me, he said, I don't want to hear about it anymore.
Stop, stop.
Don't want to hear about it.
And was very quick to change the subject.
So I think the problem, I think, associated with denial is if you've done something very seriously wrong to yourself, the last thing you're going to do is to admit it.
And I think that's what we're suffering.
That's all I wanted to say in.
Well, speak for yourself, Peter.
Sorry.
You said that's what we're suffering.
Well, speak for yourself.
I said, but Stephen, I have to say as a boomer.
Well, actually, as a silent generation, I was born in 1944.
My whole life has been a dream.
I am the golden generation.
I haven't suffered anything.
I've gone to see a large.
Sorry, I'm joking.
We've just been discussing the need for suffering and you're saying I haven't suffered in my whole life.
So I know I'm joking with you, but I'm saying that's a problem.
It is a problem.
We have to address that, Peter.
So we're going to make you suffer in the next calls.
And now I live in South Africa is even better.
Well, yeah, we're sending the safest country in the world.
And I thought, that can't be right.
We're sending people around, Peter, just to make sure you suffer.
All right. Let's get moving.
Hi, I'm glad to meet you.
I've been connected for a long time.
I've been in and out, so I haven't caught much of the previous dialogues.
I hope I don't repeat anything.
I work with a group inside the US Department of Defense, and we put out a weekly show that we think has the most advanced set of truths in it.
And one thing we see coming up and I don't know if you have any kind of visibility to this on the UK side of things, we don't believe the evil cabal will allow the election of Donald Trump and that the motion and the movement and the wave of support there is so massive.
They are going to be incapable of fixing the election through the techniques they used in 2020.
And that their only path forward to maintain this worldwide power will be to prevent him from coming to office.
And that they intend on doing that with causing enormous amounts of violence inside the US in order to justify going to martial law.
So as a core truth teller, as you described, I want to make sure a number of the people that really do the drill downs understand that's a high probability.
I'm not claiming it's a 90% probability, but it's way above 10%.
And as such, if people do not recognize that they don't prepare for it, they will be shocked when it comes and it will cause them to disintegrate.
They have to be ready to form their groups, form them religiously, form them spiritually, form them face to face and give up on the electronics and figure out how to work as small groups.
And if an Israeli kind of attack comes to their community anywhere in Europe, but especially in the US, because we know we have nearly 100,000 different terror cells that have been populated across our country and could be activated by the George Soros network whenever they want.
And so the more we can alert people to this potential.
I'm with you 100%. I've studied this at length.
My and both Jerry and I work together and we suspect that possibly a cyber attack from within the United States to take the grid down would be the best option.
What's your view?
We will that could be part of it.
Yeah, you asking me or asking in Peter.
And I was asking you actually in hoping that you could chip in.
Okay, so very quick. I don't think a cyber attack is nearly sufficient to scare the American public into accepting martial law. So I think it has to be physical. I think it has to be like Israel, where they they come down to your street with fire bombs and automatic weapons and they shoot you or they burn you down.
Well, yeah. Wow. So, in Glenn is our resident optimist.
Well, you know, we all know about predictive programming.
And, you know, Obama, the demon that is Obama. Yes. And I've got to I've got to, you know, apologize. Several years ago, when Obama was first elected I thought, Oh my god, what a fantastic step forward for America.
I genuinely thought that.
And then when Trump first turned up, I'm like, Who is this idiot you can't even string a sentence together. What the hell. And when he got elected. Initially I thought, Oh my god, this is absolutely appalling.
And since then you've been on a steep learning curve. Oh, very steep learning curve, very steep. So I need to apologize to an awful lot of Americans that may have spoken to the past.
But Obama, if I'm not, if you know, tell me if you tell me if I'm wrong, but did he not co-produce a film very recently called Civil War.
Yes. And are they not into predictive programming.
Yes, Obama's, you know, absolutely. I mean, at this point, Joe Biden doesn't have any brain left. So Obama's, you know, and his group is making all the decisions in the White House.
What I would say, I'd say Obama's.
That doesn't that doesn't mean Joe Biden is going to step aside.
He's going to be right there looking sometime between September and the end of October saying, Oh my gosh, look how terrible our country is.
We not only do we need martial law, we may need some of those UN troops.
So Glenn, is Michelle Obama in fact, Michael?
Yes.
Right.
Wow.
Do you remember all those people who were there?
Yes.
Right.
Wow. Do you remember all those books that Obama was publishing just before he got elected?
You know, the time is coming.
I can't remember, you know, just an avalanche of books, seemingly coming from Obama.
And and he thought, wow, this is a massive step forward for America, you know.
And then he came into office and no sooner had he got into office than awarding him the Peace Prize.
And I thought, how can they possibly be awarding the Peace Prize only months after he's been just nonsense?
And then it turns out that the Americans think he's the worst president they've ever had.
And he's still running the show, apparently.
Wow.
Yes.
I mean, clearly he is our first gay president, but he's also the first president to to marry a trainee.
Wow.
And that's true.
Yes.
Well, Joan Rivers said that and she was dead two weeks later.
I hope the same doesn't happen to me.
Yeah, it wasn't.
I'm on a mission with God.
That's one thing that God does well.
Glenn, you're protected by God.
We know that. We know you're protected by God.
All right.
That's yeah.
That was Joan. Did you say Joan Rivers, Ian?
Yeah, Joan Rivers.
Correct.
If you look it up, Joan Rivers was being into it was walking into a building and somebody said, oh, do you think it would be good if we had a gay president?
And she said, don't be stupid.
We've already got one.
And and she said something about Michael Obama.
And two weeks later, she had a minor routine plastic surgical procedure, probably her fiftieth.
And and she died from a complication.
Interesting as well.
What was the name? Is it is it Anne Hirsch?
Anne Hirsch, who was the blonde American who was a film producer, was working on to expose the pedophilia rings within the Hirsch family.
Weren't they the very big publishing family?
No, that's Hirsch.
Yes.
Sorry.
That's different. That's that's Patty Hirsch.
She's part of the cabal.
So Anne Hirsch was working on a film to expose the pedophilia rings and had the car accident and was, you know, ushered dead at scene, but but sitting upright on a gurney and pushed into the back of the van never to be seen again.
Anyway, this is that's not that's not very happy way to end the nice evening's chat.
Let me simply say part of it is is around people being aware, recognizing their current position, work within your current position.
Do not be afraid.
You know, and don't be complicit.
So, so don't just look the other way that things are happening, recognize what's going on.
Talk with your friends.
Talk with your relatives.
Convince those people that are on the edge.
It's time to come back.
Come back to God in many cases.
So many people are out there worshiping their their income and worshiping their wealth.
Instead, they should be worshiping God.
And I think that's a big test we have in front of us.
How many people are going to come back to the light of God?
And they can't even look after their own families these days.
Glenn, it's absolutely outrageous.
Just wanted to say just briefly, if I can, about Joan Rivers.
Yeah, she she there was a clip that was going around.
She was going up some steps and she was interviewed and she said everyone in Hollywood knows that Michelle is Michael.
And then she was she did.
It wasn't cosmetic surgery procedure.
It was a very simple procedure, nothing to do with cosmetics.
And it should have been very straightforward.
And yeah, she died a couple of weeks later or very shortly after.
I just want to assure you, I'm not going in for any minor surgery.
If I'm in a plane crash like the lady in Hawaii, I'm not getting into a plane either.
Because she landed and was on the wings and ended up dead.
Well, can I just ask you is because you seem to know is I'm just curious, is is Michelle stroke Michael a fool?
I mean, I don't even know if you know this, a transvestite or a transsexual.
I mean, has she he had a transvestite or a transsexual?
No, only only hormones.
Right.
Same as macrons.
Various various videos where there's something flipping around there.
Yeah.
George Bush's wife.
Somebody's put a picture up.
Macron's wife.
How much of those are true and how much of those are just, you know, because it's I heard that about Jacinta Ardenne.
They were one of the most famous women in the world.
I think that was I saw that under a dress and I think that was ridiculous.
I think that was CGI.
I mean, it's it's really important, I think, to be absolutely 100 percent sure of what is true and what isn't.
I did hear some friend of mine has relatives who work in Hollywood and they were over recently and they work the party circuit and all that sort of stuff.
So I said, is it true about Jacinta Ardenne?
And her involvement with, you know, child sexual, satanic abuse and all this.
And they said, Oh yes, that's quite true.
Opera wing.
Another indicator relative to Michelle.
If you've ever seen her play football on the White House lawn?
I haven't had that.
She put a lot of the men to shame.
Right.
Yeah.
She put a lot of the men to shame.
So I'm a very happy person.
lot of them meant to shame.
Yeah, pretty wide shoulders.
And I, Stephen, can I if we're gonna draw this to a close shortly, can I just finish on a more positive
note, which is absolutely yes. Yes. So if you feel sorry, if you listen to a lot of what people
refer to as the American truth as and if you follow the kind of the white hat movement, etc,
etc. Even if you go so far as to follow what some people refer to as the ethereals, who I'm not
into any of that stuff, right. But I talk and I listen. And I hear a lot of what is said. What
they talk about is you've got the awakening. And what some people are saying now is that we're
possibly reaching a point where those who are going to wake up have woken.
I think the number the number of people who are resistant to waking up. So the number of people
that are left are probably increasingly resistant to waking up. In other words, it's getting harder
to wake people up not easier. I'm not sure I agree with this. But this is what they talk about. I
think maybe that's right. Yeah. But what they say is the people who are awake have a very, very
important role. And again, please, I'm caveating this by I'm just repeating what I've heard. I'm
not necessarily subscribing to this. But what they're saying is that when the ship not if if but
when the ship hits the fan, whether that's the cyber polygon attack, whether it's pandemic to
whether you know, whether it's civil war, whether it's the United Nations armies, you know, taking
up arms, whatever form it may take, when the ship hits the fan, and or when the general public start
to become aware of what's really going on. And what's really going on, you know, sorry, Diana just
kind of briefly mentioned it. But there's really nasty things going on really nasty things that are
not pleasant to talk about. But I do believe that they are going on at the elite or parasite class
level. And when people start awakening to the realities of our world that we're living in,
they're going to need help. And part of our role is to be there to keep calm, to support people to
provide a support mechanism for those people who are likely to end up completely lost and in an
utter panic, when they find out that most of the world that they assumed was true is fake.
So even if we don't awaken any more people, those of us who are awake have a critically important
role to play in what comes next. So we've got to you got no choice, we've got to maintain how robust
we are in ourselves, whilst at the same time, trying to spread positive energy.
Positive energy.
That's not easy with that.
Well, then you're brilliant for that. And you're naturally brilliant at that. And I don't think
it's a tactic for you. It's just in your blood or something. You know, and I was going to ask you,
so you have this remarkable ability to analyze what's going on as well and, and articulate it,
you know, and I agree with what you just said now. But I just wonder why do you think that is? Was
it some teacher you had or your parents or your dad or your mum or your grandparents or anything?
Why am I the way I am?
Yes.
That's a little bit deep in it, Stephen.
Well, we often ask that question, because the people on this call are very interested in where
geniuses like you come from.
I'll get over it.
Yeah.
I don't know my parents, my upbringing, my wife, my values. Who knows?
Your past life in clearly past lives.
Who said that Charles?
Yes.
You've been speaking to my wife.
I have.
Yeah, that's probably what she'd say. I don't know. It's you could describe it as a three
dimensional person or a two dimensional person. I think an awful lot of the people that we
are surrounded by nowadays, I would describe them as NPCs, non-player characters in a computer
game. You know, they've got no free will. They've got no true thought. They've just they've got a
limited set number of responses.
Yeah, absolutely. Like extras in the film.
Yeah, there's no depth to them. And you could call that a 2D person or a 3D person. You could say
they've got a soul or they haven't got a soul. Or you could say that they're fresh to this use
universe as opposed to having lived many lives before. There's lots of different ways that you
can describe it, depending on your point of view. I don't think it matters. You know, you could
disappear right up your own ass, couldn't you, with all this esoterical stuff?
Oh, absolutely.
Just fucking do it. Just do what's right. And just fucking do it.
The trouble is, people don't know what's right these days.
Yes, they do. Everybody knows what's right. It's deep inside. It's deep inside.
But they haven't got the nudges that we get, you know, in this film.
Well, then we'll lead by example.
Yeah, so we say, we say, live by, you know, you've got to trust your instincts. And then
you realise, well, actually, they haven't got any instincts, because they go on. So when they want
to find out where they're going, they don't look at a map. They get a sat nav. And so they're not
able to. So they're hungry. What do they do? They go to a restaurant. They can't cook. And we need
so anyway.
Come on, Stephen, we were supposed to end on a happy note.
Go on, give us a happy note.
We're going to win.
So my happy note. So look, I think you need to be in touch with psychologists with I can think of
three.
What was that? You think I need psychiatric help?
No, no, no, no, to work out how to oppose the PsiOp with an with our own PsiOp. I was saying
this two years ago, but nobody picked up on it. So I thought it must be wrong.
No, you're absolutely right.
Yeah. So so I'd like to work on that with you, because I can introduce you to wait a minute.
So let's there's Meredith Miller, who's an expert on psychological torture and gaslighting and all
the rest of it. And then there's David Charalambas, who's a psychologist in the UK. And then there's
Mathias Desmet. But also we've got the MK Ultra guy, the guy who exposed MK Ultra. And what was
his name now? Fernandez, I think Jim Fernandez, was it? And then we've got Jason Kristoff as
well. So that's five. We'll get that five together. Put you with them, Ian, and you'll be the catalyst.
Jesus.
Wednesday night or Thursday?
I'm a knee surgeon, Steven. I'm a knee surgeon.
So I was going to say to you for an awesome P.D.
I just do knees.
Yeah. For an orthopedic surgeon, Ian, like, yeah, I'm quite charming.
Bludgeoning your patients. No, I'm joking. For an orthopedic surgeon, you're extremely thoughtful.
What do you say to that?
Yeah, absolutely. Unusually thoughtful. You're quite right.
I'd say, are you hitting on me?
No, no, no.
I think I think you've got lovely hair.
No, I don't like men.
Okay.
I'd say, Charles, what was Ryan Fulham's address? Did you post it?
You put it in the chat. I'll read the chat. Keep going in.
Yeah.
I'd say that.
I'm a journalist, Diana.
Pardon me?
Are you a journalist?
No, I'm a psychotherapist in London.
Oh, right. Could you work with Ian then?
Could you work him out?
I mean, I'd love to be in touch with Ian. I don't know about working with him, but yeah.
Do you have an email, Ian?
Yeah, I'll put it on the group. But if I had to give myself one attribute to describe myself,
that I would, you know, one thing I would aspire to describe myself as,
I had to pick one characteristic. I'd say I'd pick one, and that's indefatigable.
Brilliant.
I love that word, indefatigable. The only way to lose is to give up.
So I would describe myself as tenacious, so I recognize that indefatigability about you.
It's a lovely word, isn't it?
It's a long word, especially when you put it in the noun form.
And the fact that you're quite perspicacious, which is my other favorite word.
We've got to go, everybody. It's two and a half hours.
What's the time now, Charles? It's 2.20. I thought it was 10.20.
Two and a half hours. Are you having too much fun, Stephen?
Ian, I'm again appalled that you can sit at your desk, but you'd probably do a trick like
some of our speakers do, and they get a bottle and they urinate into it. So you shouldn't be
going for two and a half hours without going to the toilet. So clearly you're not drinking enough
water. He has free choice, Charles. That's water, not urine. Sorry, free choice as a free will,
I mean. That's it. All right, Stephen, well done. Well done, Stephen, for getting in.
Closing last words, we are winning. You've given this to us. Stephen, we are winning. We know that
that's why we meet here. And for each one of you, you never know what idea has been put into your
head from the conversation here. So thank you all for being here. One idea can change the world.
Yes. Oh, I'll end with one. I'm just going to get this out of its packaging. I want to show you
sorry about the noise. I'm going to show you one thing. I've got some books here.
I'm going to ask you a question, Ian. I know how you'll answer it, but are we afraid?
Sorry, say again? Are we afraid? It doesn't matter. Fear is a good thing, not a bad thing. It's a
motivator. Fear is not a problem. It's how you react to fear. You can't be brave if you're not
afraid. Well, exactly. But you can't, what about if you're overwhelmed by fear? That's not great.
Then you've got a problem. Well, then you need Diana. Yeah, Diana. Yeah, we'll just do Diana.
And the book? I'm not being overwhelmed by fear. Well, I haven't seen this. Yeah,
keep holding it up there and keep talking, Ian, because when we put you into speaker mode,
we get the whole thing. Yep. Right. This is called God Wins and it's a book by Mark Atwood.
I would strongly, strongly recommend it to all of you. It's a brilliant book of poems and pictures.
It is absolutely iconic of our time. Mark Atwood is an absolute hero. He's a warrior.
And this is one of the very best copy table books you'll ever buy. Where can we get that?
If you go to Amazon. No, God, no. If you go on to, if you just look up Mark Atwood,
just look him up. He's got a website. Double T, yeah. Yeah, double T. You can get it off his website.
Excellent. Is it related to Margaret Atwood? Oh, I don't think so, but I don't know. She won a Nobel
Prize, didn't she? I can't remember what for. In that case, I'm very much down to it.
All right. Beautiful recommendation. Good place to finish. God Wins. Thanks, everybody. Thank you,
Stephen. Thank you, Ian. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, everybody.
Thank you so much, Ian. Lovely to meet you guys. Thanks. Nice to meet you and thank you very much.
Appreciate it. Thank you, Ian. Good night. Thank you, Charles. Thanks, David. Bye.