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I'll share it with you. This is amazing news
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Thank you. That's good advice. I like you like pageantry and
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11.1 percent of children vaccinated in 24 25 season not one state enforces vaccine mandates for students attending schools
Now that's pretty big news
Wow exciting news. Oh that is
You know that
The the that's that's but but now is this regarding just the Kovac scene
No, no just that would be flu just you know
The this is it's all vaccines
It's not clear we'll look at we'll look at that article but you know, there's the flu they keep driving the flu vaccine as you know
Yeah, and now Moderna got
590 million for
Biden's last throw away half a billion dollars
Yeah
Okay, so it's a useful. It's a useful idea Lex you got your hand up
Janet Janet if you can put that note into the chat for the submissions, please
Lex
Yeah, quick comment about like the uptake of vaccines is in British Columbia
we have the BC for standard disease control and the the
They keep a record of like who's vaccinated and who's not in the healthcare sector and only like 20% of physicians took the flu shot
Recently so and like up so they the flu shot uptake in British Columbia amongst healthcare worker
Was
Coerced from like 40% to 80% level in 2013 when they started having like mandates for it
Or like they had a coercive measure like either like you put a mask or yet you get the flu shot
So that's how they got it like up from 40% to 80% in one year from 2012 2013
And then it stayed like that then it comes COVID and then like starting starting in 2021
The numbers like that the percentage of healthcare workers in general who are like flu
Vaccinated like started dropping like you know 70% like 60 50. So now like it's it's below 50
Like the overall like healthcare worker in be in British Columbia, like that's a walk Pro province by the way
right and and and they're down below 50 and
And then when you break and when you look at the physician uptake of the flu vaccine in British Columbia, it's it's about 20%
It just cratered so that's the that's a good proxy for the the confidence or lack of confidence that
Healthcare workers and physicians in British Columbia have towards vaccines in general. So I mean that agenda is done
Yeah, Lex in the UK in our area. That's East England
we're down to about
24% for kovat for the
Hospitals right the NHS basically 24% and I think flu is about 26%
Yeah, people are abandoning these products massively
Like not just corporate vaccines, but all of them like this
Lex that's the joy that that statement you just made they're abandoning these products. That is
Spectacularly good news. That is the magnificent gift of kovat and the lockdowns and the attacks on us
Okay. Thank you. Lex will keep moving to go gonna introduce David
Let you know
the ozone peck right for
Slimming right? We've got a 400% increase in people going to hospital in the UK after they've taken it
So it it just beggars belief, right? Hang on. Hang on mark two things
400% increase in people taking Oz MP because they know
Yeah, they're ending up in hospital
Right after they've taken it with an adverse event, right?
You would have thought after kovat people would have understand any new product that is not tested
The last thing you want to do is take it
Yes, but what's the
400% increase just just a little bit. Okay
From what I was reading that they had some people having an adverse event
After they had started, you know take it and this is about three months ago and now we're up to
400% of people
You know going into hospital after they've taken it
So I need to get the figures right I need to get the figures because obviously percentage you could have ten people
20 people 30 people right? It's a bit meaningless
But the the thing is it's highly dangerous and some people have become blind, right?
Yeah, Oz MP correct, why would you put this crap in your body? It's extraordinary
But as we're hearing people are refusing to stuff in their body mouth
Hey
You get Charles and you guys got to get Bobby Bonds on here for a Sunday session
top with Rodman's
thing last Sunday after we
Bobby presented some great
Data that he's uncovered some chart it's just some of the best stuff I've seen so
Yeah
For a presentation since Steven a main email as to what you're presenting with we love your daddy doing great work Bobby
Yeah, thank you guys. Thanks. Thanks Marvin. Yeah, you know
I'm looking at the new Czech Republic data that just came out and
It's real interesting the
the among the people who died according to you know supposedly
from kovat in the first year of vaccination
2021
It's what you might expect, you know, the people who took at least one dose was four thousand two hundred and
Unvaccinated was almost twenty thousand. So the pro-vaxxers would say well, there you go
There's a lot that goes into that but then what's interesting is the next year it flips the other way and
the vaccinated died at
124 percent the rate of the unvaccinated and then 23 it goes to
270 percent so and then 2024 it's oh it goes. Yeah, it's a
Yeah, hundred hundred twenty seven percent and then 270 370 percent in 2024
So as time goes on the vaccinated are dying
At a much higher rate so it's it's just FYI
well as as that
Bobby people are onto it because only 11% of kids are being vaccinated as a show
I'll put that link to the Peter McCullough piece or someone please put that piece link in there because
you know the wake up is the great wake up is happening following the great reset and
The what Michael recton will cause a great refusal and David Rogers web calls the great taking so
You know, we don't want you to take our health
Sebastian and then I'll introduce you David
So
You just said then that the children at 11% take up of what though you talk about the
Children vaccination is that 11% Stephen is reported by Peter McCullough this morning
Yeah, yeah, but what though the article 11% not 90% That's the beauty schedule
Yeah, but the schedule you talk about the schedule
Read read the article and try haven't I haven't unpacked the article 11 the headline is what I shared. I'll share it again
Well, it doesn't mean anything if you don't say which vaccinations jobs, that's the point
It means a lot only 11.1% of children vaccinated in 2024 25 season that would therefore suggest the flu season
No, not one state enforces vaccine mandate for students attending school
So whatever vaccine mandates are for school previously, they're not being enforced full stop
That's all you need to know at the moment, but this exciting news Stephen
Well, you can read the article
I'm not talking I'm quoting Peter McCullough
You talking about COVID-19 and flu shots?
No, look 24 whatever season is Sebastian
I just wanted to remind everyone that
Anyway, but go ahead
I just wanted to remind everyone that
The WEF conference starts tomorrow and goes on until Thursday evening
I will be looking at this will be having a focus on this
Let's see what their their topic or their propaganda is this year. Just a kind reminder
Thank you
Remind what which conference again?
The WEF in double Switzerland the wef
Yes, the west wef. Yep. Yeah, and the report that I've heard is the Trump will be there but
Online he's
Online is that the suggestion? Yes, you will be attending online. You will not be there personally, right? Thank you
All right, everybody. Let's get this show on the road
Can we ask David whether he's been invited to why he isn't in Washington at the moment I would have thought
You can ask him later, okay
Okay. Welcome to medical doctors for COVID ethics
Meeting today and today's discussion this group was founded by Stephen Frost in the mid
2021 so there's three over three and a half years ago with the desire to pursue truth ethics justice freedom and health
Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years has been a whistleblower and activist his medical specialist radiology
We remember at this moment Ryan a full mic who is still unlawfully incarcerated in German jail undergoing a show trial
It has been announced that Ryan is
Standing for election for the German government for the German Parliament
The election German election
Is on the 23rd of February
So that's excellent news and shine a light on what's happening to Ryan
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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay now many of us proudly say yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers
And I am certainly amongst them politicians can't say they're passionate anti-vaxxers
But with those numbers that we're talking about of low take up of vaccines across the board same in Australia
There's no ads, you know, no significant ads going on. I am a passionate anti-vaxxer
I'm on the I'm on the board of the Australian vaccination risks Network that was founded in 1994
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He has been fighting against vaccine since 1991 publicly. So I am a passionate
Clearly if it's been going on that long that resistance, they haven't been particularly successful. Have they?
Correct. Correct. Similarly with child abuse, Stephen
Sure continues and the people keep protesting against child abuse and sexual abuse of children
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The medical science battle is one but the proper financial system and David's going to
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Kirstama is was reported on Sky News in Australian time on Saturday on Sunday that he's out to ban conversations in the pub
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Venture investing in the public financial markets. He is a very experienced investor
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His clients included some of the largest international institutional investors I say again his website is the great taking.com
David I understand what you're talking about. I was a tax lawyer for 20 years and I in fact I drew the first contract for for option for put options in Australia in the in the mid 80s
So there was interesting times learning about put options and thank you again. Stephen Frost. So thank you David for being here
Thank you Stephen Frost for creating the group and for organizing David Rogers web to present to us David you can share your screen whenever you wish we are in your proverbial hands metaphorically
You didn't say that David's from Ohio had an extraordinary childhood and it now lives in Sweden the totalitarian state of Sweden
I'm not sure Ohio is the best place to live in the world
I'm not sure Ohio is not a totalitarian state at this point
Yeah, anyway, David, yeah, Ohio. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Charles.
I won't do much of a tutorial here and then I'll move on to what's happening now, you know, what will happen prospectively
But let me just say about the great taking. It's not just about finance because this is about subjugation
It is it isn't that they need your stuff. They just don't want you to have it
So it's it is this is part of a global hybrid war strategy
So it's it's not just a finance self-help book. That's why it's called great taking. It's not just about your IRA. So it's everything
So by way of explaining this, you know, I often say that for centuries your securities now a security is a stock or bond
And it was called a security because it was secure. It was property. And that is what has been subverted
So for centuries, if there was insolvency in the financial system, if your broker failed, you could say I'm sorry, you're out of business
Here's where you transfer my stuff. That is no longer the case. And we know this absolutely irrefutably
The essential point is that if there is insolvency in the system, you no longer have the right to take back your own property
It's as simple as that. And no one in the financial system that is knowledgeable can refute that people all the way to the top of the system
They may not know it themselves, but once they look into it, it is the case. Now, how do we know it irrefutably?
The U.S. implemented this. Well, first of all, it was going on illegally in a big way for a long time
The property was being used, essentially being pawned within the system
If you imagine a pawn shop and someone takes your guitar to the pawn shop and borrows money with it, but then they manage to take the money back
And return your guitar without you knowing it. It's kind of like that with your securities in the system. As long as nothing goes wrong, you can sell the security
But once there is a major insolvency, you no longer have control of the property because someone else has pawned it
So that was going on on a big scale before they legalized that, went through this elaborate scheme to make it legal through a subversion
And they began this in subverting law in the U.S. at the state level in all 50 states beginning in 1994 with revisions to something called the Uniform Commercial Code in 1994
And we'll come back to that because that's where the rubber meets the road right now. So this was done by subverting local law and the way to address it is at the local level
So we will come back to that. So how do we know that this change has been made and you no longer have property rights?
The European Union was then being pressured by the U.S. State Department to conform to this system where the property owners do not have a property right, a direct claim to their property
All the assets are pooled and they are used without restriction and free of payment within the system as essentially property that's being pawned under trades as collateral, mainly through the derivatives complex
So the EU was being pressured to do the same thing. They found that they couldn't do it because ancient law in Europe prevented that. People actually had property rights
So they then had to go through a long process of figuring out how to subvert local law in Europe. And it took a decade, but they ultimately did it comprehensively in Europe.
But in 2006, we have this document that is historically hugely important that was found by our friend Lars Johansson in maybe 2011 when we were working on this
And this is a, there was a questionnaire sent by what was called the Legal Certainty Group that had been formed by the EU. What did they mean by legal certainty?
They meant making it legally certain that the property owners would not have the claim to their property, making it legally certain that the creditors of the intermediaries or the custodians, the creditors of the entities that were using the property with their trades, the creditors would have legal certainty and finality to take the property
So this Legal Certainty Group sent this questionnaire to where? The New York Fed. The New York Fed is the business end of the Fed. This is the Fed. And all of the, it's the seat of power. And attorneys for the New York Fed wrote a response to this questionnaire.
It is detailed. And it says at the very beginning, this is specifically about the operation of Article 8 and 9 of the Uniform Commercial Code. We'll come back to that. That's where the change was made.
And the Fed makes it clear in no uncertain terms that the investors are always vulnerable to insolvency in the financial system and have only a pro-radic claim to what remains in the pools after the secured creditors take the property out of the pool.
And that even segregated accounts, now segregated account is a favorite term of sophisticated investors that think they're more equal than others and they have a protected account. The large institutions, sophisticated people want to think that they are being protected and that they can tell their clients they're being protected.
The Fed response makes it clear that even segregated accounts, quote unquote, are subject to the same pooling and have only a claim to a pro-radic share of what remains.
So we know that and what has been done is to subvert what had been a direct property interest in the property that would have been bulletproof in the event of major financial crises.
The public, it was like a stabilizing mechanism for the public, for the society that you had property rights. That has now been turned into something that is more like a contractual claim, which in bankruptcy law is very weak.
Essentially, you're an unsecured creditor to get back your own property. Meanwhile, at the other end of the food chain, derivatives contracts, which were always contracts that would have had a very weak position in the insolvency, wouldn't have had a claim to the property, have been given a kind of super priority claim to take the property.
But only by the biggest banks, only the biggest banks have this super priority to take the property from these pools. And that's what will happen in a systemic financial failure, which is really, I think we can see when we piece through it, it's engineered to happen.
This is not happening by accident. So I won't go into that in much more detail. Let's get to what is really happening. So people were just becoming aware of this really a year ago.
The book had come out in July of the PDF in July of 2024.
And let's see by no 23 and by December 23 by December 23, the documentary came out. And so the first bill to attack this in a state was brought in early February of this year.
Now think about that. This is a book that just came out in July, people were aware of it in December, the first bill was bought brought in February just in a matter of weeks.
The attorney that wrote that bill had how did he learn about it? He saw a zero hedge article in December. He had he was an attorney who had worked in banks. He had experience with the UCC.
He downloaded the book. He read it. And as he says, his first thought was David is crazy. But then he ran down every every reference. He spent two weeks doing it.
And he decided we have to do something about this. So this is another very important thing. These legislative efforts began without my knowledge at all. This is the the power of truth, the power of ideas, people make it their own, and they run with it.
So the first bill, I'm giving you a sense of the pace, the momentum behind this. So awareness in December, the first bill in February, South, so South Dakota was the first state to push back against the banking lobby.
And, but the bill was subverted from the leadership within the House in South Dakota. There was a committee hearing in which the Don Grandy, the lawyer who wrote the bill and Julie Ock, who was representative who brought the bill, they were given just a few minutes each to speak.
And then the banking lobbyists were given, I think there are eight banking lobbyists that were there to speak. And now, maybe I'll explain the subterfuge here and the importance of the bill.
So when people learn of this, at first they think, well, maybe this isn't real. But when it's actually brought in a bill, it starts getting real. Then you're forced to look at the sections in the code, and you can see how this subversion was done.
So in the first instance in the code, it says that entitlement holders, this is the new term for someone who owns the security, entitlement holders have priority over the secured creditors of the intermediary.
And that's what you would want to hear. So that's why they tell you that. That is in the first instance in the code. And that is what was included in the signing statement that went along with implementing this in all of the 50 states.
What was omitted was that there are two exceptions to that. And these exceptions are operative all the time, 100% of the time. So in other words, the first statement is basically a lie, because you have to read the exceptions.
So the exceptions are that if the creditor of the intermediary has control, the creditor has priority. Now, what is control? That's also a concept from bankruptcy. And it simply means that the party has the ability to sell, to act upon the security.
And in this indirect holding system, the one thing you know for certain is you do not have control, because it's no longer a certificate. It's held indirectly, and it is the entities that control the pools that have control 100% of the time.
The second exception is if it's a creditor of a clearing entity, the creditor has priority all the time. And clearing entities are basically brokers, are clearing entities. Goldman Sachs is a clearing entity.
Lehman was a clearing entity. And maybe the derivatives are now housed in something called central clearing counterparties. This is where the collateral is being used. And so those are clearing entities. It's in the name.
So what happened in South Dakota was the banking lobbyists would just read the first statement that the entitlement holders have priority and then stop. And the people who brought the bill were not allowed to respond to that, not allowed to refute that.
And there were a large number of legislators that wanted to see the bill progressed, and they went through a procedure to force another hearing of it on the floor. But then again, it was prevented from being discussed from the leadership in the House.
They said, this has been heard in committees, stop wasting people's time. So these things can be suppressed from the leadership level if they're in the pocket of the banking interests.
But it was very important that this was the first time that this had been exposed really anywhere in the world. Now again, moving very quickly from February, March, a bill is brought in Tennessee.
And Don Grandy, again, the attorney, the attorney who prepared the bill was there, and I went there. And we were the first hearing was in a House subcommittee.
And we were up against two bank lobbyists, one of whom was Andrew Guggenheim, who is counsel for the Securities Industry Financial Markets Association. So they were sending their big guns at this point, they were taking this quite seriously.
And Andrew Guggenheim was questioned by people in this House subcommittee, and it didn't go well for the bank lobbyists. And this committee passed the bill six to one, which is historic.
And let me try to put it across to you. This is the first time, I think anywhere in the world, that a body has pushed has defied the banking law. So that was very significant.
Very significant. Then there was a there needed to be a Senate committee hearing. And they could have set that off weeks, so it would have been difficult for Don and I to be there. They accelerated that to the next day.
And that committee passed the bill unanimously the next day. Again, clearly in defiance of the banking interests. Now this was the key thing, the Republican majority leader of the Senate voted in favor of the bill.
The prior day in this subcommittee, the Democratic chairman of the Black Caucus was maybe the main questioner of Andy Guggenheim and supported the bill.
So Betty Grandy, who is Don's wife, Betty is a very experienced state legislator. So they are really acting as a team, Don and Betty, advising these efforts in many states, which we'll talk about.
So Betty, Betty at that point, when the Senate passed this unanimously, she leaned forward to me and she said, this now has national implications, because it is not a partisan issue.
The combination of the chairman of the Black Caucus, the Democrat in a Republican state, aggressively supporting this, and then the Republican majority leader in the Senate.
So Don and I, we realized how important this was, and there had to be a full House committee hearing the next week, which with a much larger number of representatives on that committee.
So we stayed into the following week. This again is March of this year. And we went around to all the offices of the representatives on that committee, and starting on the Monday.
And that went very well. They were very receptive all day Monday. On Tuesday, we could tell that something had changed. And you could actually see that people were afraid, because something very unusual had happened.
And eventually we were told, well, the treasurer is coming to see Bud Halsey. Bud Halsey is the heroic guy who brought the bill.
And the treasurer is coming with the bank lobbyists to see Bud Halsey and explain the bill is not going to be allowed to proceed.
And so we went to Bud's office. He had not been informed of that. They were just going to blindside him. And we stayed for the meeting.
And what had happened was the bank lobbyists had said to the treasurer that if you pass this bill, now let me explain what the bill does.
All it does is strike these two exceptions so that what remains is what was originally promised, that the entitlement holders have priority over the secured creditors of the intermediary.
And striking these two exceptions, that brings down a shit storm from the banking lobby. Why? Because they're using the property and they don't want to give that up.
They will not explain why they need those things. They're only, the banking lobbyists, they're only arguments.
And this is the next important point in terms of exposition from this. So the first is that a bill comes. The second is you have to look at the language.
The third is hearing what the bank lobbyists have to say about it, and they can't refute it. They only lie. So what do they say?
They say, first of all, there's been no change in property rights, which is an out and out lie. The second thing they say is that this is about margin accounts.
Now a margin account is a pretty old fashioned kind of thing. It's that you can borrow money against your shares or you can buy more positions.
than the capital in your account using leverage in the account. And this is something that existed long before these changes to the uniform commercial code.
But the margin account is about people borrowing money with a written agreement against their own assets. It's clear in this language in the uniform commercial code.
It's not about creditors of the clients. This is about creditors of the intermediaries.
So just the language itself puts the lie to that. But when they got to the treasurer, they said, if you make this change, if this bill is enacted, financial services will be withdrawn from the state.
So this is the next step. They lied about it. Then when they couldn't stop it, they just resorted to threatening the treasurer of the state. Now the treasurer is a good man.
He has a lot of responsibility on his shoulders. And we had quite a full conversation in his office. And he was saying, this just needs to be studied.
So and that's how they kill bills. They send it to summer study. So the next day, there was this full house hearing. And they said, well, we're going to have to get a full house hearing.
And we got another gift. This is kind of the way Charles thinks about things. These things that seem bad are actually gifts because it forces exposition and something else to happen.
So we got another gift in that full house hearing when the bank lobbyists were given lots of time to talk. And on film, they said, well, we're going to have to get a full house hearing.
And we got another gift in that full house hearing when the bank lobbyists were given lots of time to talk. And on film, they said, if this is enacted, no financial service firm will do business with the state or within the state and will not do business with any other firm doing business in the state.
And this would be bad for the Depository Trust Corp. So why would you do it? That's a quote. Now, what is the Depository Trust Corp.? That is the entity that holds all of the pooled securities that is controlled by its members, which are entities like JP Morgan Chase.
So in the aftermath of this, we asked some of the representatives, do you think people knew they were being threatened? And Bud Halsey said, I think everyone in the room knew they were being threatened.
So we're at that point now where people in the legislature in the legislatures know they are being threatened by the banking interests. And this is all out there. You know, of course, some people, many people, as we know, are still avoidant.
But for people that are paying attention, this is quite clear. So the legislative season really runs through the first third of the year. So we were drawing to the end of that.
But it was this was moving at light speed to have people become aware of it in December and to have these historic things happen almost immediately. Then in October, there was a hearing of a Banking and Finance Committee on this matter in Oklahoma.
And Donna and I went for that. And I was, you know, explained all of this in front of the committee. And toward the end of it, under questioning, I was able to say to the chairman of the committee, you will be threatened by the banking interests.
And you have to be prepared for that. And what did he do after I told him that? He turned to the representative preparing the bill and said, all right, you will prepare the bill and have everyone on this committee view the recording of the proceedings.
So he was not cowed at all by the prospect of being threatened by the banking interests. And I'm happy to tell you that that bill has now been filed for this year.
So and we'll come back to the the the all the good news on this. Then in the next month in November, we were in Dallas, and we met with 183 state legislators.
There were over 200 people in the room, there was tremendous interest. And I would say vital interest in this, as I say, you know, it's someone else's quote, nothing focuses the mind like an imminent hanging.
And when people find out about this, they get focused. And these the important thing to know is these actions in the states have been driven by citizens. It's still possible to do that at the state level in the US.
And the legislators are just regular people. They're the people at the federal level are, I would say, all corrupt and controlled in some way. You're you're the cavalry is not right into the rescue from the federal level.
And we know at the EU level, there's no way to to to change things through the EU level. The the hope for humanity, I firmly believe is driving this at the state level.
Now, what's different about this issue? Why Why is this a great hope for us? It one thing is it's so clear and irrefutable that it can't it it it can't be dismissed.
And people can understand it. We are overwhelmed with so many threats against us. If we try to take them one at a time, we will just, you know, die on the march, trying to get it done.
You know, it isn't going to it isn't going to work trying to attack all these threats one at a time. The reality is all of these threats against us, the DARPA programs, the the people coming across the border, the vaccines, all of it.
It's being funded. They're all being funded. And ultimately, it is the banking cabal that is behind this that controls all the political parties, all the governments, you know, the major media, of course, much of the stuff that people see on their phones.
So the as I say, this is so so this issue is rightly focused on our real enemy, and it's becoming very clear to people through this. And so these bills are addressing reverting the law in a very simple way.
It's very simple. It's very elegant and it draws attention to the subversion, how it was done. So this addressing fixing the uniform commercial code, that's one vector.
Alongside of that, there are transactional gold bills coming in eight states now. And that list may grow Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Utah, Kansas, Arkansas, South Dakota, Wyoming, and there may be more.
Now, what's important about that transactional gold? I mean, it again will draw the ire of the banking interests. They don't want this. But under the Constitution, the states expressly have the right to transact in gold and silver.
So the idea here is that they will transact in gold and silver, but with electronic representations of gold and silver held in a depository. So the gold and silver is immobilized in a state depository.
And then there are electronic, if you think of a debit card, and this is all off the shelf technology, it can be done, doesn't require blockchain or some new invention. You're using a debit card to fractionally transfer gold or silver from one account to another.
Now, they will have to face down both the banking lobby and the Internal Revenue Service, which will maintain now the IRS came into being at the same time as the Fed, essentially.
So they're part of the same beast, basically, and the IRS maintains that a transaction in gold or silver is a taxable event. So that will have to be faced down.
Now, the third vector is resistance to central bank digital currency, which is a big topic.
Whether it's implemented explicitly by the central bank or by private solutions that are nonetheless the same thing in terms of potential for control.
This is the end game for total social control after people lose their ability to support themselves otherwise. So I think that's where this is going. I think other people do also.
So again, these three things, the property rights, transactional gold, central bank resistance to central bank digital currency in the state level, all these things are coming at the same time.
And they are all focused against the same interests, the banking interests. And cycling back, I say this is the one ring that binds them all.
The only way to end all these threats against us is to end the Federal Reserve and other central banks.
They have to be that we have to get to a point where their power is ended.
Now, we all have Stockholm syndrome thinking, how could it be otherwise? This is the system we're in. But private central banks have been ended twice before in the history of the US.
We have to know that it can be done. So these, the UCC bills to strike these exceptions, giving the secured creditor of the intermediary priority to take the property.
These bills are coming in South Dakota, Tennessee, North Dakota, Iowa, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah, Texas, Arkansas, Montana, Louisiana, Wyoming, Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Mississippi.
So it's, it is, it seems to be unstoppable at this point. And although it's going to be a difficult fight, some of the key people that supported the these bills, the bill in Tennessee were targeted and defeated in the next election.
So they're doing that. Also, heads of committees in Tennessee, as I understand it, I just learned this recently, were somehow changed just in recent months.
So they're, they're working to solidify their control from the top at the state level. But we, we just need a number of states to move in lockstep in this. So we have, I've listed 16 states here.
This is, this is incredible. Now, I want you to know, I know we have a lot of billionaires on this call, as Charles was telling me. So I want you to know, this effort is not like other things you might donate to, as I say, to make yourself feel better about yourself.
This is something that is urgent, actionable right now. And the legislative season is, will basically be over by the end of April. So it's now three of these bills have been filed already, and it's, it's coming fast now.
So the, you should know, true northpublicpolicy.com. And Charles, maybe you can put, put that in the show notes. It's T-R-U, no E, T-R-U, northpublicpolicy.com.
Now this is a legislative lobbying entity put together just for this by Don Grandy. Don is a general practice attorney. I've worked with lots of attorneys over my life, and I would say Don is one of the very best attorneys I've ever known.
And very effective, very crisp, very clear thinker, no wasted motion at all. And Betty, his wife, had 18 years as a legislator in North Dakota.
And they together are the advisors for essentially all of these efforts in the states. So they have a lot on their plate. They are in touch with over 400 state legislators.
No one pays them to do this. They, but they are going to have to get to probably something like 20 states, maybe more than 20 states. And as you can see, as this vector is driven, it starts changing the entire country.
We start getting upwards of half the country that now the, the important thing is not just these issues. It's that people realize they have personal agency.
That's the critical thing, that people realize that they can take action. They're not powerless and that they can, they have potency through their power at the state level.
Once people get the taste for that, and when people are being threatened in this way, you know, people would ask me, well, what's going to happen in Tennessee now that this has happened?
And I said, well, they'll have to decide if they like being threatened. And that, that, that could be, that is not going to go well ultimately for the banking interests.
I think up to this point, they've done everything without people really being aware of what they were doing. And there's been, there's never been any defiance. And the banking interests really don't know what to do about that.
I'd also say, you know, we're dealing with totalitarianism. These are central planners. And the individuals that work for them really don't think for themselves. They, they do what they're paid to do, what they're told to do.
Whereas people, what humanity, the rest of humanity has, what we have on our side is autonomy, individual agency. And once you get, once you get a lot of people that are acting that don't need to be told what to do, they're doing it of their own volition.
That's difficult to, to stop. But, you know, Don and Betty, they, they will have to get to maybe over 20 states. There are air, there's airfare, hotel. It's probably going to cost them over $100,000 just to, just to do all that.
So we're, we are asking people to support True North Public Policy. All the proceeds from the book go to, so there's a free PDF to the book. But people that want a hard copy of the book, those proceeds go to True North Public Policy as well.
So we've been managing things to, for them to get to where they needed to go, but it's just going to escalate dramatically right now. I guess that is your briefing at this point.
That's spectacular. That is a spectacular briefing, David. That is 16 states, great progress. Don and, Don and Betty reminds me of the books that we learned as kids, you know, the John and Betty books.
Then we've got the Don and Betty team. While Stephen's getting his questions ready, two questions. The comment I make that Michael Reckton-Wald's wonderful book, The Great Reset, Michael Reckton-Wald, he's got in here, I've talked about it, nine recommended steps.
David, I often talk to people about step eight of these nine steps. I'll put the nine steps into the chat. Number eight step, how do we, how do we do the grand refusal? Well, in the context of, in the context of, number one was Refuse CBDC and Jerry Brady has put a note in there on his boom newsletter that, that has been Jerry Brady's
Jerry put in there one state that has knocked back CBDC, one state in one province in Canada. But number eight, encourage the defection of elites from the globalist agenda. Okay, just that idea. He says, identify elites. And this is what I've been doing with your book, David.
And I recommend to everybody to do it. Identify elites who might oppose the agenda for moral, ethical or economic reasons and appeal to them by writing emails, letters, and by putting this book into their hands.
And similarly, your book, David, that there are elites who are on our side. They're not all on the side of the banking sector. And so just one of those elites could fund this whole exercise by Don and Betty.
Yes, so all these nine steps, the Richter Mall talks about.
Charles, responding directly to what you said, let me tell at least one story that's very relevant. The treasurer of one of these states. And I, I'm not going to say, you know, I don't want to bring too much attention down on the people that are working on this.
But the we, he involved an attorney with one of the major law firms.
And I looked at this man's background that was going to be on the call.
And I could see that he had actually represented JP Morgan.
And the biggest banks globally, this man was going to be on the call. And I thought, oh, you know, what it what's what am I head for here? This is this is some kind of a setup.
But I've actually worked with people like that in my past. So I I'm not uncomfortable with it. But
So the call began and I was asked to, you know, do my spiel about this, which I did. And then this man spoke. And he explained that he had been involved in implementing this.
And that and he he he began by saying, I'm really, I'm really half. I'm only half time now. By the end of the call, he was saying, I'm really retired.
And so as the call progressed, he said, he said, our intentions were not bad. I think what he was saying was my intentions were not bad.
And then he said, if you are correct, that the property is being used in this way, it can be changed, and it should be changed.
Now, that was a stunning thing to have someone like that in front of a state treasurer say that.
So that's exactly to your point. The people that were involved in implementing this did not really know how it would be repurposed.
Or they didn't think too hard about it.
And David, that is an important point. There are many elites who got, when we say elite, you know, it's a bad word to use. I came up with the word, you know, the the illegal evil elites or unlawful elites.
But many people got to the became billionaires, not through wisdom and intellect, but they just happen to be in the right place at the right time.
And I know plenty of these people as a tax lawyer for 20 years. And, you know, I had someone laugh at me.
Some of you will laugh at this. You know, this I made this comment to one of my mentors. I said, if I'm so smart, he made gave me a nice compliment.
I said, if I'm so smart, how come I'm not a multimillionaire? He laughed. He said, intelligence has got nothing to do with having a lot of money.
Okay. And so the elites again, I reinforce people are on this call who could have a link to somebody who could fund the great work that Don and Betty are doing everybody.
And all of you would know, you know, very wealthy people who should know what David's message is here, because the more assets you've got, the bigger this problem is.
So, David, thank you again for highlighting that is exciting news. 16 states over the course of the period is spectacular.
Stephen Frost, are you ready for your questions? Because we're going to hands up. Stephen, you're on mute and we can't see your.
I forgot. Yep. So hi, David.
Wait a minute. I've got to get. Oh, that's right. This.
There you are. Beautiful.
So anyway, thank you for coming on. First of all, I have a short notice as well, David.
So I worked out that it was important news that you had. And so it turns out I wanted to ask you.
Well, first of all, why I think I may have asked you this before, but I still don't quite understand it.
How is it that I know you're bright, David, but how is it that you're the only person in the world to highlight this as far as and nobody knew about it?
But the lawyers, as I understood it, changed the law in 50 different states in the United States.
Didn't they think that they might actually their assets might be in danger?
I just don't understand how they implemented all this and no one knew about it except you.
And I can't remember what it was that triggered you to think about it.
Was it 20 years ago and then eventually write about it?
Well, the narrow. Well, I mean, in terms of how could people not know this?
I've I've met with top securities attorneys at banks that did not know this.
So it's a weird thing that is just kind of hiding in plain sight.
You know, they would have to go away for a little while and look at it and then come back and say, you know, this is true.
Is it a bit like all the doctors and all the others who should have known what was going on in 2020 that they weren't able?
Very few people, it seems to me, human beings, very few seem to be able to see the big picture.
They they kind of want to go down this rabbit hole, that rabbit hole, and then they can't see the big picture.
So is it that I think that you work as long as I've known you, you've always worked with this.
You were talking about notices of liability. That was the first thing I heard.
And I was coming at it from a different angle. But I agreed with you.
We had to kind of. But the point is, I think that you're very good with the big picture.
How is it that so few human beings seem to be good at that?
You know, they have all this information.
So the scientists.
I see Vera there. Vera and I talked about this a lot.
I've had to think about that.
And I think it goes to a hardwired what's become a hardwired construct in our minds, which is about it's it's very simple.
It is about self and other.
And that enables things like atrocities.
It enables, you know, killing other things.
But but it is also this very powerful narcotic that people self administer,
which is to place the responsibility on someone else or something else all the time, all the time.
And especially if they are being stressed, if they're anxious, they resort to that even more.
So so if you're in a hybrid war, wherever any people are getting more and more anxious, they resort to that even more.
So it's it's in all of our relationships, in our families, definitely in our workplaces,
definitely in all kinds of businesses and government organizations where people survive in those entities by never putting the responsibility on themselves.
It's always on someone else.
So I think that explains this kind of pervasive inability of people to face up to things.
They're avoided.
Very few people will look at it.
So that's persistent.
In my own case, I have two answers.
I think I started out from a very young age understanding that something was wrong, and I wanted to figure out what that was.
So I'm different in that I was looking for that.
And the way my mind works, I don't look for what fits.
I look for what doesn't fit.
And that's the only way I could do what I did in in managing these hedge funds.
I the thing that kills you is what you do not pay attention to that that does not fit.
And so in then this then the small feature is I knew that the collapse was coming in 2008.
And I noticed a the first small firm that failed where the client assets were swept to the receiver.
And because I was looking, I saw it.
And that was when I learned how I knew this is this is terrifying because I knew we were going into the collapse of the hedge fund.
So I had to try to figure out what had changed.
And it was possible to know just by reading a wiki article how the how the UCC had been changed.
But then then people don't want to follow the thread and put it all together.
And so I did that.
I would say through through the last few years, I've been able to understand the whole thing.
I would say through through that period of time, that is why I came to Sweden.
I understood it at that point and that Sweden was the only country in Sweden and Finland, the only countries that hadn't been subverted.
So I then acted on it.
And I had all the information no one wanted to hear except Lars.
Lars was the only person that was interested in hearing.
So, yes, it's it is a phenomena as to how people could not see something so big.
And of course, we're now we're all experiencing that in seeing things related to health care, the vaccines, all the narratives.
It's it's it's it's such a big thing we're in now.
Words like epic are not sufficient.
So, David, you don't think it's an intellectual deficiency that people can't see the big?
I mean, huge numbers of people can't see the big picture and very, very few can.
And so you think it's very smart.
Hang on, let me finish.
So you think it's about fear, do you?
Or is it an intellectual deficiency?
I think it's the latter.
Having said that, I'm not sure that we know anything about anything any longer.
So and especially as human beings.
So I think we all ought to be extremely humble, especially after what's happened in the last five years.
Yeah, I think we've got we've got exactly the opposite.
We've got people showboating.
There are very smart people that that they there they take this narcotic, which is that it's someone else's responsibility.
I'm relying on X.
And of course, that's that is how things ran off the rails in medicine.
But you can't have very high opinions, though, if you want to leave everything to someone else.
Well, it's I would say that it is endemic in our culture, endemic.
So when when I when I when I explain to people, it's this construct of self and other and being able to put the responsibility on someone else.
And people think, well, how could it be otherwise?
That's human nature. That's the way it always is.
And so I say, OK, imagine if you could speak with a Neolithic man 10,000 years ago and you tried to explain to that man that there was something coming that would allow him to not have to take responsibility for things.
That person would have no idea what you were talking about.
That's how artificial this this construct is.
It's a it's a feature of civilization.
This this avoidance and placing responsibility elsewhere.
It feels good. It feels a bit like, you know, you've got the gazelles and they're being chased by a lion or whatever.
They've seen a lion and they all start running and the safety in numbers.
Yes, but there are some gazelles on the outside of the herd.
But most people, most of the gazelles and most human beings find safety in the herd and they have found safety previously.
So it's kind of inhuman nature to seek out the crowd and to follow the crowd, the cult, if you like.
And and and but actually, Muhammad Ali, he said, and I don't know whether he was quoting someone else, I suspect he was.
But he said that most people, when they see a crowd of people, they see safety.
He said, I, Muhammad Ali, that was I see danger when I see a crowd.
What about you, David?
Well, it was a personality type.
I am an edge of the herd sort of person.
Sure.
I always knew that the the you see what what I was doing in the investment world with, you know, the the center of the herd is incredibly stupid.
Always do.
Absolutely.
And you know, we we would have known, you know, in, you know, our our primate ancestors lived in troops of maybe 80, 60 or 80 individuals.
And they it was a symbiosis where they're different.
Someone's always awake.
There there are there are these different personality types.
But it is it is strange, as you're saying, Stephen, that there wouldn't be more edge of the edge of the herd people.
Yeah.
Still, as a percentage, there should be a lot of people.
Well, I think it's well below one percent.
I think I would say it's well below one percent.
The ones who want to see the big picture.
So people like you actively seek out the big picture.
And so do I. I think others do, but not many others.
There are plenty on this group and plenty who've talked to us, who are that type of person.
You try to put the information that they have together because it's no use having the information if you don't use the information wisely.
So all these experts inverted commas have their information.
You're a scientist and the doctors and all the rest of them, you know.
But if they don't use the information which they have and they say, oh, well, that's not my field, you know, and they don't act like a human being to understand what is going on or try to understand, then it's useless having the information they have, except that they can pass on the information to others who might understand the big picture.
But anyway, I wanted to ask you one other thing here.
The problem is, I can't read my own writing.
Oh, yeah, there are lots of billionaires on this group.
So what is your advice as to those who wish to preserve their billions?
Well, I've actually been.
Well, I say to those people, you, you can't hide from this.
It just has to be stopped.
That in again, this kind of like something along the lines of Charles is thinking that you get to a point where things are so bad that you reach a kind of a point where people have to face up to it.
And that's what it is for the billionaires.
The billionaires are not going to be protected.
And now there, I would say, still, most people are avoidant.
They, they don't want to face up to it because they don't know how to face up to it.
And that's why by explaining what is happening at the at the state level and that this really is actionable, it gives people a.
It helps people to realize that they can have agency.
So, yes, we need I'll tell you another story about someone I ran into that's kind of along these lines.
So when I was in Oklahoma to testify at that committee, I was in the hotel lobby getting coffee on the day I was leaving.
And there is this smiling face that appeared as a guy about my age, and he had a had a baseball hat on within an O on it.
And I said, I know here that does mean Ohio.
And he said, well, in my case, it does.
We were in Oklahoma and it turned out.
So it turned out he was from Ohio.
You know, I'm from Ohio.
And we got to talking and I.
He, it became apparent he was pretty well set.
He was pretty, pretty wealthy.
And, of course, it always came around to, well, why are you here?
Yes, me. Why are you here?
And so I explained that I was testifying and what what this was about.
And when when he when I explained the severing of property rights, he thought I was pretty much done with the story.
And I said, well, now it gets worse.
And I explained that all the property is exposed to the derivatives complex and the collapse of the central clearing counterparties.
And so I'm coming to the punch line here.
So he looks at me and he says, I was at Enron.
That's why he was so wealthy.
He made his money in Enron.
And what did he do?
He was an originator, as he explained to me.
What he did was to create a system of ownership.
And so this was this was the early days, so early 90s, the the explosion of.
Well, derivatives were taking off in the early 90s.
I guess he was Enron blew up sometime during the dot com bus.
But he was he was there through the 90s through this incredible growth.
And he was a very, very wealthy man.
And so what what what's the punch line?
When we finished talking, he looked at me and he said, you have a purpose for your life and I don't.
Exactly. Yeah, that's what we need.
This is a guy that participated in all of this.
And he was a very, very wealthy man.
And he's in his 60s.
He said to me, you can only I can only read so many books and I can only watch so much Netflix.
So will someone like that?
He's certainly not going to fight against us.
And the attorney I described earlier, he's not going to fight against us.
It's it's another step if they're going to help us.
It's starting.
We're at that kind of point for these people.
David, yes.
So that's a good lesson, isn't David, to to those who look at rich people and say, I want to be rich, too.
Yeah, they don't seem to understand that if you've got a lot of money, you can buy yourself out of trouble constantly and maybe go through your entire life,
never having had a problem.
So you have no purpose necessarily.
And he was talking to you and probably ending you because you had passion.
He could see the passion and you had a purpose.
But I wanted to add one last question.
Does does Trump know about this?
And if he doesn't know, does Steve Bannon know about it?
I. Well, I have to say that.
I don't want to I don't want to offend anyone, but those people are not even real people.
Yeah, I understand that.
But they they they are on some other agenda.
So they they are they are not even real.
They're fictional people.
So so you wouldn't.
So would you say that about Alex Newman, then?
Alex Newman?
Yeah, he's the investigative US investigative reporter.
We had him on last Sunday.
I think it was.
No, no, Alex.
Alex.
I've known him.
I've heard him.
I'm saying these people look, Trump is a fraud and out and out criminal fraud.
And anyone around him is such I'll be blind.
You know, I'm not saying that people that are that you see in the media,
but the players in the federal in the federal government at that level, they are like caricatures.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, we understand.
But what about someone like Steve Bannon?
So he's been to prison was it for four months?
So he but he does seem to care about America.
We had him on on Tuesday.
So it's pity you wanted to question him.
I do not have time for that.
All right.
Let's move.
Let's move on, Steven.
That's 20 minutes now.
Yeah.
One last question.
Can I just ask you about the financial crisis?
I mean, I think it's a very, very important question.
Yeah.
One last question.
Can I just ask you about the Financial Conduct Authority in the UK?
What is their role as the regulator of the financiers?
Whatever, you know, the financial services.
What is their actual role and the financial ombudsman service?
Are you talking about the FSA financial?
Well, the FSA doesn't exist any longer.
It's been replaced by the Financial Conduct Authority.
OK, I think the FSA bit the dust after the the what happened in 2008.
Yeah.
So I just want to know the financial regulators and the you know,
they make such a big deal of it.
The banks make a big deal of it as well.
What is actually going on?
Are they actually doing regulation is a misdirection.
You know, regulation is to
it's part of the obfuscation.
Regulation is not about protecting the public.
So is the safety valve, then?
Or what is it?
Just the safety valve either.
It enables it.
It's basically a cover up.
OK, they're not.
They're not really protecting.
It allows their agenda to go forward.
Whose agenda?
Pardon?
Whose agenda?
The regulators or the banks?
Oh, no, the regulatory regulation is basically a facade, you know,
or it's used as a pretext to do something,
to put something in place.
So for example, I'll give you the biggest, the most important example.
Every crisis is used to for certain imperatives.
So the 2008-9 financial crisis,
the most important imperative out of that was that bilateral,
bilateral derivative contracts could no longer be allowed.
They had to be centrally cleared.
This was under the name of reducing risk to say having a counterparty is too risky.
So they, this is a perfect example of regulation.
So they drove by regulatory fiat,
an imperative to centrally clear all derivatives.
Now, this is the end of the world.
Now, this is the end game of this.
So prior to getting that in place,
there were counterparties on all contracts.
So for every winner, there was a loser.
Every loser, there was a winner.
So there was a built-in stability where these contracts would settle down,
would net down to zero.
By saying that's too risky, forcing them into central clearing,
now all of the derivatives complex is on the balance sheets of these central clearing counterparties.
Where there is no other counterparty, it's the central clearing counterparty.
Now that, so what they've done is to create a monolithic vulnerability
when these entities fail and they are designed to fail,
when they go bust pension plans that thought they had hedged their downside in the derivatives market,
they will have no counterparty on the other side.
But the only, the biggest banks have the right to take the collateral out of the central clearing counterparties.
So think of it this way, your pension plan will suffer massive losses
while JP Morgan takes all the collateral out of the central clearing counterparty.
That is an example of regulation at work to accomplish their objectives.
It's not about protecting the public.
Yes.
All right, Stephen, that's it. We're going to move on. Come on. That's 22 minutes.
Well, I'll ask you later.
Later. Okay, everybody. Well done.
David, your depth of knowledge here is wonderful.
And the clarity with which you share it with us is wonderful.
I urge everybody to read your book and to watch the documentary,
because if you try to explain what David has said to you to the elites who might be on our side, you will get lost.
So please, it's worthy of the study.
And if you want to get in touch with David because you've got someone to fund Betty and Don's work, then please be, please get in touch.
Vera, lovely to see you.
Just go to True North. Just go to True North Public Policy.
And also Don has a sub stack. If you want to follow things, you can subscribe to his sub stack on this.
Beautiful. Thank you, David.
Vera, we've got lots of hands up.
Over to you. Good to see you.
Hi, Vera.
You've come a long way, baby, since we met, which was to do the movie.
The documentary really helped kick this off into, you know, I guess, are to really just really it's amazing.
At the time, there was nothing. Nobody really nobody believed it.
Right. The book, nobody believed.
And then with the documentary, it started to really flow.
Now, of course, you've been all over the United States.
How often are you in Sweden now anyway?
I mean, most of the really it's coming, it's falling.
It's amazing because so so few other things are moving quite that fast.
And what I wanted to ask you is, do you want to add something to your chapter about the, you know, the successes that this is actually generating?
Because we've got a book coming. So and David is one of my prime authors.
And really, 20 states. That's amazing.
Yes, well, it is it is being written over the next over the next few months.
We we will know a lot by the end of April.
I wanted to just comment, Stephen, on what you were asking, you know, as far as who gets it, who doesn't and all that sort of thing and who relies on authorities.
And in my experience, these five years, for sure.
What I found is that the wisest people who get it, who have called COVID a hoax is the blue collar working class.
Whereas truly, I mean, even neurologists at Columbia University masked all the time.
And when his wife asked me, gee, you didn't take the shot, I said, no, I don't take any.
And he said, oh, but what about all those deaths?
I said, oh, sure. Pneumonia, you know, the usual kind of respiratory diseases.
He ran away. He wouldn't talk.
What does that tell you? Does he?
I mean, the fact that someone, a neurologist, scientist, medical doctor doesn't read anything other than what is given to him by the department of medicine.
The department and the whatever the society is for neurologists.
I mean, in other words, he does not venture out of the box.
Absolutely. So specialization is one of the tools they've used.
They created a construct that everybody had to be a specialist or a super specialist.
And people got further and further from their humanity as a result.
And that was the intention.
And it's narrower and narrower. Think about it.
Their outlook, their vertanschauen is very, very narrow.
Not the way a normal person who has to use his brain on every job.
A plumber that I had. Oh, my God. It was a pleasure watching him.
He's trying to figure out should I this way? Should I that way?
He has no protocol to follow.
No, he relies on his common sense.
Yeah, but yeah.
All right, Vera. So Vera, to take that point.
Buckminster Fuller said be comprehensively informed.
So read Dave Colum's Year in Review, everybody.
Dave, put the link into the chat again, mate.
And it's a wonderful, wonderful review.
So you want a comprehensive view of what's happened on the planet.
Dave's review helps. And Vera, your point is very relevant.
You know, they're so narrow focused, they've got inability to think of anything else.
It's a useful point. So they make the case for the people who've got them in.
Hang on. You're interrupting me.
You are interrupting me.
Don't interrupt me.
I'm talking. No, I haven't.
And so so being a generalist then means you need to be healthy.
So you come to this discussion to be reminded of the need to be healthy.
Be like Vera. Vera, how old are you now?
Come on, you can tell us.
87.
OK, so look at look at Vera, 87 here, fighting the good fight.
And so if you're not looking after your health, you haven't got the energy to keep being a generalist, to be comprehensively informed.
So if you're not doing the right things for your health, you come here to be reminded, do the right things for your health.
Find out about it. Get your bloods tested.
Go to an integrative doctor. There are lots of them here.
Lots of people experts.
Lots of people don't go to the standard medical system, otherwise you will be significantly unhealthy.
But all the people you're talking about, they say to them, they say to other people, stick to your lane.
And that's exactly what we shouldn't do as human beings.
No, no, but you have to understand, really, they haven't been indoctrinated as, you know, as really intensively as those who sit at universities for too long.
Because it's really an indoctrination.
We don't have an education system.
I mean, it begins at nursery school where now we're talking transgender to little children.
Yes.
I mean, what could be worse than that?
True.
Not even the health, the children, they're being sacrificed so that there will not be the next generation.
We have to remember the ultimate goal is to reduce humanity just to a bunch of servants for them.
And whoever asked who's them?
Yes, there is an oligarchy and, you know, and a royalty and all that sort of stuff.
And they're the ones who whose bidding is being done.
The whole world is marching to towards a total abyss.
I mean, I've seen it, you know, I'm sort of prepped by my childhood, which is why I could recognize immediately lies.
But.
Avira, Avira, I want to get you excited.
Julie and I have friends whose grandfather up to 87 was a professor in dentistry all his life.
He wanted to be a lawyer.
So at 87, he went and got a law degree, got his law degree.
He was so old, his fingerprints, by the way, as you get older, your fingerprints disappear.
So they had to do other forms of identification.
He got his law degree at 94 and practiced family divorce law for 10 years till he died at 104.
So everybody, you know, 87, just imagine how good you're going to be in another 10 years time in this work.
Thanks for letting me know that I have a future.
You have a big future. On we go. Come on.
We've got to get moving.
Thank you, Avira. Great work.
Albert, who is also doing great work.
Yeah, David, thank you.
I wanted to ask you a bit a crypto question, but I wanted to preface it first by saying I think gold is the best.
But I realize you have to dig a real deep hole and then get a bunch of guns to protect the hole.
But with that being said, said, what are your thoughts with Bitcoin or crypto and this new Trump coin?
And I, you know, on the Twitter verse, I was kind of shocked that I see the Bitcoin people kind of poo pooing the the Trump coin.
But I know that a lot of these Bitcoin people are also, you know, like Trump fans or Republicans.
And I kind of see that generally that crypto people seem to be like more more red than blue.
But anyways, just curious of your thoughts and how this all factors in.
Well, I. You won't like what I'm going to say, because I I really think that Bitcoin is essentially a trap.
Now, it's it's just a matter of when the trap is sprung.
So now the when I when I look at the strategy here.
So when you look at the 30s, they confiscated gold from the public,
not because they needed the gold, because they did not want the public to have an alternative.
So they they they have a limited number of plays that they use over and over again.
So there will come a point when they will not want people to have access to Bitcoin.
Now, who are the people that have gone into Bitcoin?
People who are are trying to fight the system?
It's so what the the the beginnings of crypto are in Bitcoin are murky.
The thing I noticed as it unfolded was it really got a free pass.
I mean, it was amazing to me. There was no taxation on Bitcoin for many years.
And then then it was picked up and absolutely promoted by the media and political figures.
So it is it is their creature.
It it it it can be made unavailable.
But, hey, you know, it could be a good ride for a period of time.
You just have to know when to get off.
And again, people have to diversify in ways that they might not have considered.
You even even having everything in gold would be a mistake because they they want the gold.
Also, you know, you don't know what the sequence of events is going to be.
But electronic, they're they're just multiple points of vulnerability with cryptocurrency.
I think people should not overlook their physical reality.
You you it's it's I think we have to know that they're destroying the food supply.
We may reach a point where you have to have recourse to locally produce food,
whether you're doing it yourself or someone else.
I mean, everyone should consider having a a, you know, big, big set of supplies available.
And this is this is a normal thing.
I talk about this in the book and maybe in the in some other interviews.
In our house, which my dad built in 1958, there was a stock pantry in the basement.
My grandfather's house had the same thing.
And I asked my father, why do we have this?
This was the 1960s.
And he said, well, people used to think you should have a year's supply of food in the house.
And I thought, that's insane.
Why would you need that?
And he said, well, if you lose your job, you lose your job.
And he said, well, if you lose your job or you get sick and you don't have any debt, you could be OK.
So we we we shouldn't overlook our real world safety.
Thank you. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, Albert.
And yeah, thank you.
And as we say, this group, right, your greatest asset is your relationships.
I say to people, young kids all the time, your greatest asset is your set of relationships.
And this group enables all of us here to create new relationships, your local community.
David, as you just said, your ability.
And so you say, where do I invest?
My observation for you to think about is invest some of your funds in supporting and building your local community.
And there are people in Australia who are doing this very effectively and make sure in your and will be exposed to make sure in your community,
you have somebody who is a proficient gun owner and is willing to use it to protect the local community.
Ralph, good to see you, David.
Thank you for your presentation.
It is a eye opener for me because I didn't know anything about this.
But the whole the whole issue here is that America is bankrupt.
We can't pay off our debts.
When will the emperor be exposed as having no clothes?
I think he's already exposed.
It's you know, people will ask me, well, when when when when does the crisis come?
Well, we're in it. We're in it.
We're in it. So it's, you know, in terms of a point where you have no access to any of your financial accounts,
I think they intend that to happen at some point in the next few years.
You know, I think they're on they there.
I think this world economic forum agenda is quite a serious thing, and they intend to complete this by the end of the decade.
So most of this will happen under the so-called Trump administration.
It is happening now over the next four years.
He is proposing to sell national assets to raise cash to cover this debt in the trillions.
Yeah, well, he's going to propose a lot of things.
Well, thank you. I think I think we know what the game and game plan is.
The problem is we just don't know what the trigger is going to be.
Yeah, we're we're in an end stage phenomena.
You know, it is it is blowing out.
You can see that there's no way to to bring this back in for a landing other than ending the Federal Reserve and the other central banks.
And I think I think we can wind this down.
I think intelligent people, if they if they're allowed to focus on it, we we can end the Federal Reserve and the control of the country by this cabal.
And a start for that, a way to do that is for the Treasury to issue what are essentially greenbacks, you know, like Lincoln, but electronically just replacing the Fed based money so that there does not have to be a deflationary bust or depression.
So that there does not have to be a deflationary bust or depression.
And then there can be a discussion about moving to some kind of solid backing.
But, you know, of course, massive amounts of created money are going into programs just to hurt people, just to hurt the population.
All that has to stop. The wars have to stop.
The only way to stop it is for the cabal to no longer have control.
Thank you. Okay, thank you. Thanks, Ralph. Great. Great question. Sue. So now here's a here's an ally for you, David. Sue's Sue's our hero heroin, bad word heroin.
No, what's the distinction between heroin, the drug and heroin as in you, Sue?
I'm not a hero and I know that.
And I know that every time this group has a conversation about politicians, I grab my chest and hold it.
David, I want to thank you for your presentation. Thank you for your book. I have your book, your hardback book.
And I wanted to ask you a couple of questions, just a little background. I'm a I'm from California. I just relocated to Arkansas.
I was born and raised in California. I was a registered certified emergency nurse. I was a mortgage banker for 36 years.
And then I was a public servant as city council and then county supervisor in Sacramento for a few years, a total of 12 years.
And I I really learned a lot in my journey through all that. And I've been down, I think, just about every rabbit hole.
And now I'm just trying to sort out everything I've learned. I'm curious to know what your idea is or what your thoughts are regarding the Birth Registry Act, the two parallel systems, United States of America, minor and
the constitutional versus the statutory system as it relates to property rights. And when I say property rights, I'm talking not just land, but I mean,
everything is is a security in the way I understand it. I mean, every time we sign our name, we're signing a check that we're promising something for something back.
And so there's this whole system that's been created at the federal level that is basically trading on our labor on us on everything we own and hypothecating and bundling and making probably billions of dollars on everything we're doing.
Just sorry to kind of ramble a bit, but I wonder what your thoughts are regarding Ron Gibson and the idea of getting a low deal title and superior title that is not has basically when we finance our property, we're giving up
superior title over to, I guess, to the banks. And do you think that that's a way to protect our real estate?
And then I want to ask you regarding your comments regarding the states standing up and doing making all the great stuff that's happening at the state level with some of the states.
Do you feel the United States will break up? Because there are states that are never going to even know the difference. Do you believe we're headed for the fall of us as we know it and that it will break up into something different?
And then I was going to add you just mentioned Lincoln, the greenback. And I wondered what your thoughts thoughts are regarding and sorry to dump all this on you. I'm trying to be concise. What your thoughts are on the greenback and different money systems in different states and how does that work if we're in the United States and we live in one state that uses greenbacks in another state that does something different? How does that work? And how are we one nation if we're not under one?
Financial system.
Yeah. Well, that's I. Okay. Let me start with basic principles, because I mean, I have to say I have not delved into all of those things. I'm not.
I have to stick to what I know about. And I mean, that's a principle to work with things that we can actually know and drive those things, because there's so much we cannot know. We can't be drawn down every rabbit hole.
And there are so many absolutely mind blowing things out there that we could be drawn into that are much, you know, for example, it's entirely possible that what we see of the banking system is just what we're shown.
That there is an entire system behind that that is dark to us. We only see what we are shown. And there have been some glimpses of that. There is also, you know, much bigger issues.
And this is something that I know Lars has worked on. You know, we have the dollar in the U.S., but for many, many years, banks globally have been creating dollars. How do they do that? They just issue a contract denominated in dollars.
So what they have been doing is piggybacking. They've been usurping the creative and, you know, creative powers, the energy of the entire U.S. economy. That is large. That has been drawn off by the ancient European banking cabal by issuing debt that's dollar based.
So there are enormous issues out there that one could go after. We have to pick things that we can know that can be actionable. And we have to...
So all of these things are constructs. None of it is even real. There's a real world. But everything that you've mentioned, everything that I've mentioned, these are ideas. These are constructs that are running our lives. We are battling in the realm of ideas.
So we have to focus on principles that will allow us to not be controlled by these people anymore. That is the root problem. You know, Gandhi was asked, what do you think about Western civilization? And he said, I think it would be a good idea.
And it's kind of like that with our Constitutional Republic. We haven't been allowed to have a Constitutional Republic for over 100 years because of what happened with the creation of the Fed and the Internal Revenue Service.
So we have to focus on literally destroying those things. And then we have a chance of getting back our Constitutional Republic. The country was designed so that the states could exercise power to make this happen.
We have to use that. The country, if you watch what they've done, they work at making us hate our government. They turn it into something disgusting so that people have this idea that they don't want any government.
Well, there's always going to be a government. It's a question of who is controlling the government. And as Ed Griffin said, you know, people say, well, they can't do that. I have my rights. Well, you have no rights if you don't have power.
So how do you get the power? We can have no power at the federal level. This whole Trump thing is designed to cause people to sit on the sofa, watch the horror show going on, feel absolutely helpless.
Again, it's something that takes your power away to continually be drawn into these things at the federal level. And if you watch, I mean, it's just ramped up through the Trump years and the Biden years of frightening, you know,
disgusting, often completely conflicting narratives. You can't even follow what is going on incoherent. And what that does is it causes people to disengage. That's the science of manufactured consent.
Now, we also do that to ourselves by creating distractions, going down too many rabbit holes on things. We have to focus. And I think we have to recover the Constitutional Republic in the U.S.
And that is the hope for all of humanity that we do that. And people have to get off the sofa and engage at the local level. Betty Grandy has talked about this, that, you know, you, you know, if if go meet with your state representatives,
and most people don't even know who they are. And they these they will meet with you. They absolutely. And it's it's not a matter of just sending them an email. You get a meeting.
You get a meeting. And and we we what what I'm imagining could happen is people get a taste for this, that they're not powerless. They they can.
What we've needed is some political entity somewhere, anywhere that you can work with, where you now you now have a polity that you can work with. And when you say, well, well, the country break up, it has to begin with states securing their populations, actually
looking after the people in the state. So when I was in Oklahoma, the representative bringing the bill, he started talking about the gold depository and turned out they have a huge vault in the basement of the Capitol.
And he was saying Oklahoma, in the case of Oklahoma, they export much more energy than they use in the state. They're they can be self sufficient in terms of food. And he said to me, I don't know what you all are going to do, but we're going to be fine in Oklahoma.
And that's what you you know, you need people. It starts from the local level. If everybody did that, if they took care of things from the local level and then build up from there, then you have to get to a point where you have honest elections in the state.
And you you change out these people at in Congress and the Senate. And you revoke the Federal Reserve Act. That could take some time, but I don't know, maybe we'll have a revolution before that.
But if we just if we just recovered the form of government we had, and it operated according to the Constitution, what what subverted that was this banking cabal?
Yeah, I think also, we've been dumbed down in our education system to the point where there's no one really under totally we're not knowledgeable about who we are and how our founders set it up.
We got it. We got it. We got it. We got it. We got to move this been great questions you asked. That was a that was a two hour presentation on its on its own. So, but David, your comment, your answers to Sue reminds me before we get the last one of the great memes that I find most useful for us.
When you realize they're trying there the cabal when you realize they're trying to confuse us, you will no longer be confused. And I think that's an important principle. You know, this doesn't make sense. Good. Don't try and make sense of it because it's not possible when they deliberately have for confusion and obfuscation.
So, you know, that's the game they're playing. And David, you have highlighted that beautifully last over to you.
Yes, thank you, David. Good as usual. I have two things. First, I think maybe in order to get the funding of the processes in the states going so they can travel and get their work done. Maybe you should do some kind of a flyer to make it very, very easy for people.
Put in your money here. It is with this just one page so that people don't need to think too much before they transfer just a little bit of money or whatever they have. So just help people along to easily go to the bank account and do the transfer.
That's one idea. The other thing I don't want to crash the party. But I mean, what David is doing is dealing with a set of laws that deal with our shares and our government bonds and the things we invest in.
There is a totally different set of laws that is put in place to take your money, your bank liabilities you have, the deposits. And that is the bail in rules, which means that when a bank goes bankrupt, they will take your money, your pension money, which is bank certificates that your pension fund has invested in and your deposits.
And take that to cover the losses so you will lose your money. David is working on how they try to have you lose your stock, your shares and your bonds.
And then in Europe, we have the European stability mechanism, which is going to, which is unlimited funding to just send money around to countries at their wish. I'm not going to spend more time on that. But there are three major legal systems.
Now, in the so it's not only the great taking. The great taking is also the bail ins where they take your money. The other thing is I put in the chat. I don't know if you can see it, but it's a blue slide where I just have listed all the things that the banks do.
It's trillions of dollars for each item that I list. It's the off balance sheet obligations, overnight repo funding of long term investments, lots of words that are difficult to understand if you don't understand the financial market.
But all these things are things that banks do that will totally crash the markets. They all multiple, multiple trillions. And so it's not only the Federal Reserve where I found that critical document. They are evil and criminal.
But the banks are evil and criminal and we know what they do and the bank regulators are not doing anything about it. So we have many more tasks to work on. So but my question is, David, would you do one of these easy?
It's easy. Let's call it a flyer, a digital flyer to make it easy for people to to part with a small part of their money to don grande.
I will take that under advisement.
There's always a barrier to do things when we when we leave the meeting.
Well, mainly, mainly people have to want to do it.
That's yeah, that's a good point. You know, you have to want to do it. So be inspired by what you've heard David share here, people. And some people take action. That's that's the value. You never know where that's going to spill. Do you? You never know what's so frost is going to create in Arkansas.
There you are. But I think the last point is that people are incredibly lazy and you need to provide them with a solution.
An easy solution so that you're right. They're not only part with their money, but they actually do it because it's so damn easy to do.
So you can do it in four minutes.
All they have to do is go to true north public policy and it's set up with, you know, they can use a credit card. They can. I think he now has has something for Bitcoin. He's been asked about that. So it's there.
It's just on the website. But I believe people have to people have to take some action if they're too lazy to do that. They're too lazy to do that.
And and the danger is Stevens, right? Some people are lazy. They're not incredibly lazy, but people have been poisoned over the last 30 years.
And so they simply don't have the energy or the bandwidth mentally to cope with what's being said. That's why health is so important. Thank you, Lars. On we go to Dave.
Yeah. Lightning round if I can hear. I think this bail on issues been known for a very long time.
We talked about it back when I was at Doug Nolan, David Tice's chat board probably 20 years ago, but it's become real. I think there was a bank in Kansas that bailed in this year. Is that correct? You know about that?
I do not.
I do not. OK, I had to ask that one. A couple of bullets here. The obfuscation is real. I'm a little more optimistic about Trump, but he could be the fake savior.
I totally get that. None of it's real. I get that. Prepper. I totally endorse war on farmers is clearly part of the story.
The trap of Bitcoin looks very real to me. When you say a murky start, three NSA guys writing the original paper is a very murky start.
What I don't think there is a way out of is to get out of the mess for in the debt, the grotesque excess debt, the grotesque excess unfunded liabilities without going through the valley of death.
Because being over indebted is when your expectations far exceed your capacity to produce. And I think we're there. And so I think a correction is to readjust your expectations.
That's essentially and I think the boomers are looking at what we're about 200 percent over historical average valuation in the markets right now.
The boomers are going to get clobbered when that finally straightens itself out. There's a flaw in the Roth IRA mathematical flaw, which I did a half hour talk at an investment conference.
It turns out the way they tax it, it's right in plain sight trap having to do with the marginal versus the effective tax rate.
And that's where you get killed on the Roth. Could you pay marginal tax rate on the Roth? You pay effective tax rate on the regular.
They dupe the entire population on that. And it's an outlandish thing. I urge all of you to buy physical gold. It might not solve all your problem, but you should have some.
I agree you should have some a lot of food in the basement. If you have a house, you have the room.
There's no excuse not to have food, beans, rice. It costs almost nothing. You know, the insurance policy.
And a friend of mine, Andy Hughes, our was the guy who actually bought all the bonds for QE one.
He now sells women's clothes to give you an idea of how much he's given up on the system.
He literally bailed from Wall Street. He sells a line of women's clothing. And with that, I just wanted to.
Oh, one last thing. My son's main squeezes for the group is 49 years old. He just got a brain aneurysm. Got to wonder what caused that.
Don't you? It doesn't look disastrous, but but it it makes you wonder.
And I'll let it go from there if you want to comment on any of that. But sorry. Sorry to hear about your son.
He'll be OK. He'll be OK. I think I think he'll be OK.
Well, I think my thought with what you're saying is, you know, the problems, all these constructs like the Roth IRA and things like that.
I you know, Ed Griffin in Creature from Jack Lillie, he talks about, you know, the different fiat money episodes of some of the states that ended in disaster.
And as soon as they were ended, recovery was possible fairly quickly.
You know, within a year or two. Yeah, but you do go through the valley of death to get there.
Well, you do. But but let me you know what I what I try to suggest is, I mean, the burden we're under now, all the threats against us.
Imagine that that all went away tomorrow. Imagine if the IRS, there's no taxation.
You will not have you will not have income tax anymore.
And that's entirely possible. And all wars end.
You know, all this stuff is being made to happen. People do not want to go to war. This stuff.
They work at this shit. And so the while while some of the constructs were in might go away, things will get much better for everybody and for our future and our children.
It could happen very quickly. And that's the world I want to live in.
I would I would be very happy if we could if we could get to that point, even if I lost a lot of, you know, supposedly lost a lot of money in something.
But look, the way we're going, that's going to be taken from you anyway.
Either way. That's right. That's right. I totally agree.
Now, Dave, did you remember, Dave Colum, did you remember to ask the question you said you're going to ask on somebody's behalf?
Oh, it was about I essentially did. I think it got covered, actually.
I think it was about the grotesque excess of that. And he covered that well.
You get way out over your skis and they're just it's not an easy path back.
Once you're and here's what troubles me the most.
Historic highs. Society was euphoric.
So think of the the housing bus right before it.
Everyone was getting their own house and they thought it was wonderful.
The dot com bus, if the world had changed, it had changed in many ways.
So the euphoric highs with with the market highs and the fiat high, you have emotional highs.
We're all pretty grumpy now. I don't know what the low is going to look like.
If we're starting if we're starting out this best stuff, it's going to be duck and cover.
It's going to be a problem. Yeah, thanks, Dave.
All right, Marvin, then Warner and Jim and then to Stephen, we've got 18 minutes to go mouth.
Hey, David, would you would you explain margin account margin buying again?
I thought FDR outlawed leveraging debt for investment in markets.
Would you explain that margin? Margin accounts again?
Not at all. Not at all. I mean, margin accounts are a very established thing.
So, you know, most people have heard of a margin call.
That's what happens if your portfolio goes against you and you've you've you own your positions on margin
and they've fallen in value and you have to put more money into the account or you get sold out of your positions.
So that's that that's a common thing.
But that is something that the individual is choosing to do using their securities.
You know, this is entered into the discussion because the banking lobbyists are trying to make state legislators think that these exceptions in the code were to enable margin lending.
And that's a lie, because the code, the language in the code is about secured creditors of the intermediary, not of the customer.
And if customers were had better rights to their own securities, they would be better able to use that as their own collateral to borrow.
The way the system works now, essentially, everyone's securities are being pawned all the time, all the time.
One hundred. So it's like everybody's securities are at the pawn shop.
They they they can't collect them.
Well, they they can sell them and the guy who pawned them goes and returns it.
But if there is an insolvency, they can't recover their property.
So, I don't know, coming back to that.
Fine. What's that fine print of insurance?
What's that? If you buy 100 shares of Intel.
And it. It's something is insured.
What is insured about S.I. S.I. P.C. insurance is a con.
It's a con game. S.I.P. The S.I.P.C. was created in 1973 when they were de materializing the securities, when they when they when they established depository trust.
They made they had this phony paperwork crisis in 1968.
They use that as an imperative to say, well, we have to get rid of paper certificates, which were actual property.
It's a chattel. So and at about that time, they created S.I.P.C.
The S.I.P.C. is a shitty insurance scheme.
It basically it has a few billion dollars of capitalization, which is nothing.
You know, it could it could come into play in rather small situations, but in a in a major crisis, it will be depleted in no time.
So it the bottom line is you would not need it if you owned your property.
This is what people don't understand. You wouldn't need the insurance if you had a direct property right to your securities.
So this is good in Europe as well.
You know, when they subverted the property right, they then tell you, well, you have insurance, but the insurance isn't going to cover anything in a major failure.
All right. Thank you, Bob. Good point. And I what was it?
What was that big come? I.G. wasn't it, David?
The huge mega buddy insurance group in 2008 that that was an I.G. or some other anyway.
I.G. was I.G. You know, huge, where is it protected bullshit?
Thank you. It turns out that even was a grift because it turns out the A.I.G. derivatives group was cordoned off.
And they basically confiscated all of a I.G. to cover that debt, where if you actually the insurance part of a I.G.
was ring fence from the derivatives group, but they on ring fenced it to solve their problem.
And they just did it. That's why Greenberg sued the feds for stealing a I.G.
Wonderful, wonderful research you do, Dave. Well done for knowing that.
Warner, our favorite, our favorite, our higher lawyer, aren't you?
Well, thank you guys so much. And I haven't been around recently.
You know, we've got such a range of cases that we're just trying to keep a grip on.
And David, I just I want to tell you, I've seen your documentary.
I've read your book. I've been following you now for a bit and certainly appreciate everything you're doing.
I used to be part of a project called the Project on Corporations, Law and Democracy back in the 90s that looked at money in the debt based system
so we could gain an understanding for ourselves what all that meant at the time.
I want you to know that we have attorneys around this country.
I think we're in about 35 states right now through Freedom Council, dot org, who are ready to go, need to know this information.
And I would like to have you speak to the attorney group so that they can be aware.
All of them are very linked in to politically.
They are seeking out their state reps, state senators, and they are trying to advance what we need to advance to reclaim our constitutional republic.
And I think that's I mean, I think that is the project that we have.
You know, I've been calling it in the last couple of weeks, essentially an inverse civil rights movement because we're we're trying to reclaim rights that we had that have been taken away from us and stripped from us.
And I do think that that's what we're trying to build.
And I think that's what we need to build because we're going to have to have mass, mass involvement in this.
In my history, and I do have a particular question, you know, during the financial crisis of 08, I don't think I've ever talked about this on this group, but we actually represented almost a thousand people to save their homes.
And we were able to use the bankruptcy process to do that.
For the most part, we were tremendously successful.
Only a few of our clients actually ended up losing their homes.
We got them through whatever chapter they had to get through.
And I guess my question for you when this taking starts hitting, and we are already seeing, by the way, an uptick in bankruptcies here in Ohio.
That's where I'm from, Akron, Ohio.
It's 21 degrees, by the way.
But I guess my question for you is we did use the bankruptcy system to save a lot of assets for people.
And I guess I'm wondering from your perspective, what has changed and what's going to happen if that starts to really gear up again?
Yeah. Well, you know, what I'm talking about in the book is taking through debt is the age-old way of doing it.
You know, it's been done that way for hundreds of years, thousands of years, you know, with the down cycle.
What's different this time around is this innovation of taking financial collateral that is not encumbered with debt to make this even more comprehensive.
So it will all go off in a kind of systemic hybrid war scenario.
You know, as Ed Griffin said, you know, I met with him early on in the year, and he said, well, when this happens, people won't just be worried about their financial accounts.
They'll be worried about whether they're going to live or not.
You know, so we have to confront this now.
It's an imperative to try to get through this, help people to face up to the challenges that we're facing.
We have to try to get through this, help people to face up to it, get over this mass hypnosis wherein where people feel powerless and become realized they have agency so that we can realize all of these are just ideas.
It isn't the real world. This isn't the real world.
And we can together face up to it and diffuse this, unwind it peacefully and legally.
So we have to get to some kind of critical mass of people that can do that.
I'm very grateful to have to know you, you know, for the longest time, you know, when we were dealing with the COVID stuff, we thought, gosh, I wish we had an attorney we could work with.
And it's like a dream come true to think that there could be 35.
No, no, no, it's 250 in 35 states. Oh, 250. Oh, even better.
I mean, this group knows what happened, but the only people who stood up were small firm and solo practitioners.
And what I did from day one was just start calling people. Every time I'd see a lawsuit filed, I'd call that attorney.
And initially it was just a handful of us, but we've now built the 250 that have been on the front lines, proven themselves, taken the slings and arrows.
Some of them have had their licenses challenged. You know, there's been and many of them, myself included, frankly, went into some debt to fight this battle.
You know, and you may not know this, I'm one of the attorneys on the Pfizer case for fraud and the inducement of the initial contracting with the United States.
We also see the UC system for 220,000 employees. We see five universities here in Ohio, all the major ones that you know of, except for Ohio State.
But we got a lot of them to back down in this process. We also school sued school boards and school districts.
And we managed to have half of our districts in Ohio, not Institute masking for their kids.
And the outcome was better in those districts than in the others that did Institute masking.
We have about 500 school districts in Ohio, so it's a very great natural experiment.
Plus, you know, we have the Amish here, and that's also a great natural experiment in terms of what the crisis could have looked like.
So I don't want to take up time. I know we're running out of time.
Well, this is I definitely want to work with you and talk with your group. And that is the dream come true. Absolutely.
Well, let me I'm easy to find.
I think you guys that's that's that's would get that fixed water. OK, thank you. Thank you.
Thanks for all your hard work. Just to remind people how what to reinforce that issue Warner that you just raised and David mentioned is the debt is used as the way of grabbing assets.
And we talked about it. I think Neil Oliver talked about it that in the UK and in America with the L.A.
fires, you know, the insurers withdraw their coverage and then you, you know, suddenly you've lost the land through that process.
And in the UK, for example, I say, oh, for the climate emergency, you all have to install a new heating and cooling system that is, you know, this quality standard.
Oh, you can't afford it because you're a pensioner. Good. We the state will lend you money to upgrade your house.
And that's part of the W.E.A. World Economic Forum strategy to get hold of your assets as Warner would well know.
But that's the least little practical way that they try to get hold of your assets.
So everybody please understand that. And David, your number one message to people is don't get into debt for a start.
That's a great starting point. All right, Jim.
Hey, thanks very much, David. In in November of 2019, Goldman Sachs made a one point five billion dollar bet saying the entire world economy would collapse by the third week of March 2020.
And if it did, they would make one hundred billion dollars. And it did.
And they did make one hundred billion on a one point five billion dollar bet.
Goldman Sachs seemed to know that this was coming.
Then Goldman Sachs hired the former head of MI6, a guy named Younger.
It looks like these bankers are intelligence operatives.
It looks like this was a completely pre-planned pre-planned covid thing.
It looks like it was engineered by the intelligence agencies.
You just went over Bitcoin and how it's engineered by the it looks like it's engineered for a fall by the government or the intelligence agencies, I should say.
It looks like the bankers are really actually the intelligence.
The intelligence agents are arms of the bankers.
Since it seems that the intelligence agencies are behind this and it looks like the intelligence agencies are going to put up false flags and bomb things and maybe put up nukes in the United States and pretend it's Iran when it's actually our own guys.
How do we hold them financially responsible for all of this and make them pay?
Well, I agree with you completely.
We have to realize we're all in great danger from these people, but we have been living under this for a long time.
It's full spectrum threats and it is escalating rapidly.
And so and the way I would put it, they've seeded all these different programs that to harm people and they've just been running essentially with no pruning in the garden, as I would say.
And now they're all being let loose.
So the the the that's why I think this image of the one ring that binds them all is very important.
I think Tolkien may have understood this, that we have to go for the heart of this, which is the funding of all of it.
We can't prevail taking these things one off.
Well, so how do you propose going after it?
So we know that this is financial bioterror.
Okay, financial bioterror.
And it looks like it was engineered by the people who would most benefit from and people know on this call that I that I refer to this, the genetic specificity of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and the intelligence agencies that invented it.
Now, how do we hold them financially responsible before they kill us all, before they take all the assets?
And get the evidence and the evidence is very important because the evidence was what they destroyed in 9-11.
They put the evidence in building seven.
They put the evidence in the Pentagon in that particular area.
They rebuilt those areas.
They they and then they destroyed them.
How do we stop the destruction of the evidence that we have against the intelligence agencies as well understanding that US Air Force is part of the bad guys and they just took control of Space Force, which controls the satellites of the Army, Navy Air Force and Marines.
It looks like Space Force are the main bad guys.
You know, it doesn't help people to come at them with too many things.
We've seen that and it's just amazing that you we could have a situation where our own family members have been have been injured by these vaccines for maybe people themselves are now suffering consequences.
And they know it was the vaccine and yet people can't seem to bring themselves to resist to to focus or develop some resolve.
So it's it's as we as we know from going through this COVID thing.
It's not a matter of giving people more information.
They just they just curl up in a ball.
They shut down.
We have to have things that are very focused and actionable that are targeted at the real enemy.
And I agree with what you're saying, holding them financially accountable, but we could get drawn off into, you know, subsidiary issues and fights.
We don't have time.
We have to drive towards something like, you know, ending, you know, the private central banks, what Jackson did.
You know, it's a battle.
It's a battle.
You have to have enough people that understand what the real battle is.
You have to have some strong leaders that will will focus on that.
And it can be done from the state level over a period of, you know, and that's really the purpose of what I explained tonight is to convey how quickly this is moving in a short space of time.
And, you know, my my dream would be that we get some set of states that really assert the power of the state.
You kind of have a deck under your feet at that point to fight from.
And and that can spread to other states and you can get get real representation in Congress.
Now, the problem is that there was I've looked into this a little bit, but maybe it could be challenged.
The the supreme they tried to do that in the thirties in the Depression to recall representatives from the federal level and the Supreme Court.
And the Supreme Court, I think it was a Supreme Court decision was that congressmen and senators are not responsible to the citizens of their state.
It's an interesting idea.
They are they represent the country.
And it's at least in the article I read about this, it was stated that why was it done that way?
Well, because then they could undertake things that the citizens of their state would not be in favor of.
And that's exactly what we see.
This is why we have ended up in this situation.
They represent now in theory, it's that they are doing things for the good of the country that the citizens of their own state would not be in favor of that.
That's been a problem.
So they're there.
But but ultimately we we we have to somehow drive to revoking the Federal Reserve Act.
All right. Thank you, Jim.
We're going to keep moving because we're at our time limit.
Last couple of questions for Stephen Flost.
We're going to we're going to call it a halt.
Thank you, David.
And again, I say, as I say to many of our wonderful presenters, you know, I can't understand how you can go for two and a half hours, David, without going to the toilet clearly shows you're not drinking enough water.
Drink more water, David.
Stephen Flost, last couple of questions.
So, David, I think you have been shocked about the last five years.
You may have known that it was coming, but so I have been too.
What's the biggest lesson for you of the past five years?
The biggest lesson.
Think big, not necessarily.
I mean, for me, the biggest thing is that I know that we're in the spiritual realm.
Now, it's that big.
And I mean, that's I'm not going to go into trying to explain that.
But when I say the word epic is not sufficient to describe what we're dealing with here.
And, you know, we have a bit of a flavor of this here that it's it's so far beyond.
I mean, it's in the realm of things that aren't real ideas.
But it's I think, for example, how will we prevail?
The people that we're up against are people that operate out of narrow self-interest.
They they follow money incentives.
They have to be threatened or paid.
The way humanity has always prevailed was by knowing that we are mortal.
Our bodies will not be here very long.
And we are we we really find our purpose and our life and our existence beyond our bodily existence.
And that's what allows people to face up to something as big as this.
You know, it's not sunshine and cotton candy anymore here.
This is this is a major process for humanity.
And of course, it's it's it's global.
It's everything, all the marbles.
So I I think that has been the shocking thing for me is to how how to say it's big is is quite an understatement.
So do you expect that the resolution of this, at least to some extent, and holding people to account,
will that result from us trying human beings, mere human beings, should we say, trying to think logically?
Or do you think that the best thing we can do as human beings is to search for the truth?
And eventually, we connect with each other, other people who are searching for the truth.
And we don't know how it happens, but something happens.
And whatever occurs, you know, revolution occurs or an empire falls.
And everybody thinks, oh, how did that happen?
And nobody knows. Well, the you know, when when I went to Ed Griffin's Red Pill in June and I met JJ Cooey.
And he described we had a very intense encounter that was kind of.
Kind of very spiritual, actually.
And he he he was saying that his experience of biology and and understanding, you know, the genome,
it is seeing infinite beauty, complexity, variety.
This is the fabric of creation.
And if you think about it, the Rockefellers, what's been done to medicine, what's been done to science,
what's been done to education are and then, of course, our our political system, religion.
All these things are about control of this infinite variety, beauty and complexity.
So this is the paradigm.
And the one end you have or the continuum on the one end, you have creation itself,
which is uncontrollable, incredible abundance and variety.
And on the other end, you have total absolute control totalitarianism and totalitarianism will destroy anything it cannot control.
So this is what we're in.
This is why it is this big.
The the the forces we're up against are literally anti creation.
It seeks to control or destroy anything it cannot control.
It is also its power is based on negation of creation.
So yes, it's a negation of it through through destroying it, which we see it big time, but also falsehood line.
So, yes, the the opposite of that is truth.
Just pursuing the truth.
And there's this great quote of Thomas Aquinas or St. Augustine.
The truth is like a lion does not need to be defended.
Just release it.
It will defend itself.
And that's really what is happening here.
The you know, about retribution or, you know, it's not necessary.
You know, what we what we see is, you know, the people that have been involved in this, they have been asleep as well.
They sleptwalked in into this.
They don't really fully understand what they're doing.
It's that big a thing.
And if you think about it, to help them to to help us, that is they they they have to be helped.
And it is an incredibly difficult thing for them to to change their position, to see what is happening.
So, of course, it doesn't help to threaten them.
You're trying to do that or to vilify them.
And it is a magnificent thing.
If people can make that change, like the people I cited, the lawyer from this top law firm who said, well, you know, if it is being done like this, maybe it can change.
Or the guy who was at Enron, you know, these it's a magnificent thing.
So the idea of forgiving your enemies, that's why you do that, because it's a magnificent thing if they can make that change.
And it seems to me, David, so very quickly that that they want to take the our enemies want to take human beings away from three things.
Their country, their nation, if you like, the nation state, their family and the church.
And I think we underestimate the power of the church because churches in the UK, for example,
and in many countries around Europe have been seriously weakened because the leaders don't represent the people who go to church.
So the people who were attracted to church don't go any longer.
But actually, that's a mistake, because I think actually we've seen in the last five years, they're terrified of the church still.
So if people started going to church for no very good reason, maybe initially, that might change things.
It might change the balance.
And it's not that difficult to go to church once a week for an hour and just sit there just by your very presence.
You're annoying every politician or most politicians.
Anyway, what do you think?
Well, I think I think people are I I see a difference between spiritual experience and religion.
Religion is an attempt to control the spiritual experience.
I think there, as they say, someone said, there's a there's not a big increase in religion.
There's a big increase in spirituality happening.
And yeah, that's because of this this tension between creation and anti creation.
That's going to happen.
Absolutely.
So these people, our enemies, they are lacking in creativity.
They are destroying, as you say, they don't want they don't create anything, but they want to destroy everything that we create.
And one thing I would say, though, I think we need to get so they're very good at propaganda, our enemies.
And we need to become good at counter propaganda.
What you're saying?
And how do we how do we produce it?
It's not that quickly because we've got to go.
Yeah, I would go to the the St. Augustine quote about truth.
You know, it does seem to me that it's not a very good idea.
I think it's a very interesting quote about truth.
You know, it doesn't have to be.
It's just the simple, irrefutable truth.
And there was a quote at the at the Sabl inquiry about the Bloody Sunday Massacre in Northern Ireland.
And they finally got to the truth, they reckoned.
But the QC, who led the inquiry, who was he was.
He was the kind of top QC for Lord Savile.
I think it was.
He said, the truth has a light of its own.
It has immense powers of recovery, even after a long interval.
I wonder why that might be good.
Come on.
Big question.
Great way to stop.
That's a great quote to stop with David.
Big round of applause, everybody.
Great job.
Go to the website.
The great taking.
We're here to help you and Warner link with him.
I've sent you the email.
Warner, please.
That'd be great.
And go to Tom Rodman's group.
He's put the link into the chat for those of you with the time.
David, good job.
Stephen, good job, everyone.
Thank you for the contributions to the chat.
And we'll see you on Tuesday.
Bye for now.
Thank you, David, for talking to us.
And thank you for being incorruptible.
Thank you, Stephen.
Thank you for the opportunity.
Thanks for all you've done.
We've had some good times.
Yes.
Oh, by the way, Warner, if you didn't know Warner, I didn't,
I was out for a bit when he started to speak.
If you don't know Warner, Warner is one of the best lawyers.
He's talked about it.
You missed all that's covered, Stephen.
All right.
Yeah, we're going to connect.
Yeah, good.
He likes to fight, Warner.
Yes.
That's great.
I look forward to talking to you.
Thank you, guys.
Thank you, Warner.
Bye, everybody.
Thanks, Charles.
Thank you, Stephen.
Good job.