Erickson, thank you.
Shasta, you're a superstar.
Well done.
Thank you, James, and thank you, Curtis.
Is Curtis here?
Yes, I'm here.
Yeah.
Thank you, Curtis.
My pleasure.
Thank you.
I'll do my usual trick, everybody.
And that is Charles.
Charles, Michelle, the whistleblower is here, too.
She's here for only half an hour.
Good.
Thank you.
OK.
The nurse.
She's the nurse in shape.
Hello, Michelle.
Hi.
Thank you for having me.
There you are.
Beautiful.
Hey, sweet Michelle.
How you doing?
Good.
I'm fine.
Thank you.
Michelle, I noticed that we're gaining some ground
on our fundraising goal.
Yeah, I love it.
Thank you.
Oh.
Wonderful.
James, I'd be very interested, James, in so you're
a proper doctor, from what you said.
I'd be very interested if you do have any thoughts about how
we re-educate doctors worldwide.
I'd be very interested.
But maybe you haven't formulated those thoughts.
I have formulated those thoughts quite a bit.
And my message has undergone a tremendous amount
of revision with time.
I've tried to study how to better move the movable middle.
What I found is that when I lovingly present the facts
to my 98% of physician colleagues that
have been vaccinated, it's often returned
with immediate pain and shame.
And that's the natural response, because they've
injured themselves and others.
They feel shamed.
And the natural response to shame
is flashing out and attacking where that shame is coming from.
So no matter how lovingly I do that,
I get the same reaction.
So I'm trying to use a different approach of kind of love,
faith, hope, and love.
And the greatest of these is love.
And try to extend some mercy.
Now, two or three days ago, Dr. Peter McCullough
came out with a substack.
I believe it was on Thursday or Friday.
And he proclaimed, this is very important for the entire world
and for this panel.
He proclaimed that COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy
are category X. They are contraindicated in pregnancy.
Correct.
And they have a black box warning.
And that's coming from Dr. Peter McCullough and Dr. Jim Thorpe.
And we are proclaiming that to be the rule of the globe,
because the CDC, the FDA, the American Board
of Episectrics and Gynecology, the American College of OB-GYN,
and the Society of Maternal Fetal Medicine have gone AWOL.
They have ignored the safety signals.
So Dr. McCullough and I are now proclaiming
a moratorium on the use of these investigational gene
therapies in pregnancy.
And let the world know that Dr. Jim Thorpe, myself,
will testify in criminal charges and civil charges
for any physician against any physician or entity in this world
that is pushing this dangerous, lethal gene technology therapy
in my pregnant woman.
So bono.
Let the world be known that the world experts have proclaimed
a moratorium of black box warning, category X warning.
And if that's violated, you're going
to see me in court if you injure one of my patients.
Yeah.
And then, um,
Hang on, Stephen.
Stephen, I get this show on the road.
All right.
Everybody, welcome to today's discussion.
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His medical specialty is radiology,
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The forces of evil globally are not disappearing.
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Jim, do you have a sub stack?
I think you do.
No, I do not.
I'm on Twitter.
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And now welcome to Jim Thorpe and Curtis Cost
and Michelle Gersh, what's your surname, Michelle?
Gersh Mann.
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And we thank you so much for giving us your time,
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And again, thank you, Stephen Frost,
for creating this group
and for organizing the presenters today.
So Jim, Curtis, over to you guys.
And Michelle, how do you wanna play this?
I think what, if you don't mind, Charles and Stephen,
what I would like to do is just briefly introduce my friends,
if that's okay.
You're in charge, Jim, you're in charge.
Okay, so I'm Dr. Jim Thorpe,
I'm a maternal fetal medicine specialist,
board certified, also board certified,
OB-GYN doc, I'm in practice now for almost 44 years.
There's about 25,000 practicing OB-GYN docs in the country.
Unfortunately, I was the first one that came out
and brutally attacked this horrific lie
that has been perpetrated on my patients globally,
women of reproductive age, pregnant women,
pre-borns and newborns.
And so I've been pretty vocal about this,
a greachous violation of the sacrosanct
golden rule of pregnancy.
Curtis is a dear friend of mine.
He's from CHD, Children's Health Defense.
He's a brilliant writer and researcher,
a publisher of a bestseller book on vaccines.
And he's been in this fight a lot longer than I have.
And his eyes were opened a lot longer than me.
And then my incredibly courageous, sweet,
Michelle Gershman is from a city in central California
that will remain unnamed.
And she had the courage to step up
and expose from a hospital in central California,
straight from the administrative supervisor
of all of women's services,
exposing a massive surge in fetal death,
fetal death and stillbirth at her institution
that began not with COVID-19,
with the rollout of the vaccine.
So having said that, what I'd like to do,
if it's okay, I know that Michelle, you have to go.
I really like for you, Michelle, if you could,
to just talk about your journey
and I want you to talk about the data
that was given to you by your hospital administration.
Yes, I'd be happy to.
Thank you, Dr. Thor.
So my name is Michelle Gershman
and I'm an RN in central California.
And I just know that I took an oath when I became a nurse
to do no harm.
And along with all the other medical professionals
that work alongside with me,
they all took an oath to do no harm.
I quickly realized after working in the hospital
that do no harm means nothing
if it means that they're getting paid.
And so I realized before the pandemic
that it doesn't matter how much you're getting paid,
you really shouldn't hurt somebody else.
You should not cause harm to another human being.
And so I've been a nurse for five years.
And at first I worked on the tele floor
and right when the pandemic happened,
I transferred the postpartum and right away,
I felt like it was such a blessing
because I was so happy to finally work with newborns.
They're healthy and they're a blessing.
And then the pandemic happened
and we're all wearing these masks
and everything was just really depressing.
And, but I did my job and I realized
that a lot of people poke babies to do these different tests
and check their blood sugars and give them shots
and all these things, it didn't feel right.
And so I started speaking up then
before these vaccines ever even came out, the COVID vaccines.
And so right away, I already started to feel
like I didn't fit in there on postpartum
because I didn't like poking babies.
And then, so anyway, I just kind of stayed quiet
besides the times that I was talked to from my boss.
And I noticed that these moms and babies
were generally healthy and I would send them home.
And then once these shots came out,
these COVID shots came out around March,
I noticed that babies were,
there was an increased number of babies
that were passing away in utero.
So before the shots ever came out,
there would be maybe one per month in the hospital.
And then once these shots started coming out,
it was becoming more frequent like once per week.
And I started really asking a lot of questions
like why are these babies dying?
And all the people around me were like,
oh, I think it's the pesticides or something in the water.
Nobody wanted to put it together
that these shots are harming people.
And so I was just like really frustrated with work
because it's just wrong, it's evil, what's happening.
And then in September of 2022,
I received an email that went out to over 200 nurses.
And the first part of the email said, as you all know,
there's been an increase in fetal demises.
And in the month of August, there were 22 of them.
And that's a record number for the hospital
that we've never had 22 before.
And this number is projected to increase.
And so I just felt so disgusted.
I'm like, I cannot believe there's not an outrage about this.
Why are people not talking about this?
And so right away I copy and pasted that email
and I sent it to somebody
who works for Children's Health Defense.
And from there, that email sort of went viral.
But, and at first I wanted to be anonymous
because I was embarrassed that I was exposing this email.
But then after thinking about it enough,
I was like, no, God put me in this position
and I'm not backing down.
Also, my mom was murdered in November, 2021
by the hospital protocols.
She was given remdesivir and they treated her so badly
for being unvaccinated.
And they treated me also equally just as badly.
They lied to me and wouldn't let me in to see her.
And I knew she was dying and they wouldn't let me save her.
And so that lit a fire in me.
And so when I got this email in August or September,
I couldn't not stay quiet.
I had to send it, I had to expose it.
And so I did and I have no regrets.
My work did withhold a $5,000 retention bonus from me.
And when I asked why I didn't receive that bonus,
because I'm still employed,
they said it's because I broke the rules,
because I exposed that email.
And so that's where we're at today,
but I am still employed.
And I just want people to,
I think that we need to go back to informed consent
and people need to stop harming people, especially babies.
Thank you very much, Michelle.
I got to tell you that Michelle is the bravest
and most courageous nurse I've ever met in my life.
And I love what this woman stands for
and what her heart stands for.
And courage is contagious.
And because of what she did, we have amplified.
I no longer am the only OBGYN standing by myself.
We have others, many more now coming out
because Michelle has been courageous.
And now I have two other OBGYN whistleblowers in Florida.
And I'm gonna name them out
because they're out of the closet and they're strong.
And they have seen the exact same things Michelle
and I have seen, which I will vouch
for the veracity is going on and I will stake my life.
And I'm honored to announce here too,
that our publication, which has been in pre-print
for six months now, will be officially published
in a major peer reviewed medical journal.
And not only will it be published,
it is going to be featured as a lead article.
And so this is God willing going to make a huge impression
on the global obstetrical community.
I don't have high hopes of that
because they've ignored everything else.
But I do wanna state that this is
the most important publication of my career
and it's irrefutable and undeniable.
Having said that, I really wanna listen
and my dear friend, Curtis Cost, whom I love dearly
and does an amazing job and he's a brother.
And I would like for him to give us his story
and his knowledge of his vaccine and his experiences.
Take it away.
Thank you that's just so obvious.
It's always an honor to be in your presence
and I greatly appreciate you and your courage.
Same thing, Michelle.
Just brief background on who I am
for those who may not know.
I wrote a book entitled, Vaccines Are Dangerous.
The first edition of which came out in 1991.
So I've been at this for over 30 years,
warning people the vaccines are extremely dangerous
and they don't work.
And so when this whole COVID thing came around,
it was no surprise that I was even before
it was on the market, I was saying,
this was gonna be the deadliest vaccine ever.
And I did an interview with Dr. David Rasnik
and in the interview, I said on the air
that I felt that this vaccine had the potential
to kill billions of people.
And he immediately corrected me,
he said, Curtis, maybe not billions,
maybe hundreds of millions,
but it could have been more than a month or less
that he got back.
He said, Curtis, I think you're right.
We don't do something, this vaccine has the potential
to kill billions of people.
And so I was not surprised,
even though I wasn't aware of the situation
with the giving of these COVID shots to pregnant women
until Dr. Shasta Erickson put me in contact with Dr. Thorpe
because I've been to so many angles to this whole issue.
That was one that I really explored.
And when I did my first interview with Dr. Thorpe
and Michelle Gershwin, I was blown away.
I mean, I've seen lots of evil,
many bad things over the years
because of the research that I do.
And I developed a very thick skin,
pretty much like doctors have to do.
I mean, in order for them to be effective,
they can't be squeamish, obviously.
But this one really got to me
because they're harming, they are poisoning,
they are attacking pregnant women.
And that's like a sacred violation.
That you're not supposed to harm women
or pregnant women especially, pregnant women in the baby.
It really profoundly shook me up
that there are people out there,
I'm not even sure if they qualify
as being a part of the human race anymore,
that are so evil that for profit and other agendas,
they will put known poisons into the body
of innocent, trusting pregnant women
and their fetuses, their babies to be.
It shook me up so bad that I made a commitment
to try and do what I can.
And so I did do a, I did publish the interview
I did with Dr. Thorpe and Michelle on my Substack
and I put it out to my networks to get out there
and the feedback has been overwhelming.
And I then followed up with a forum
which I had Dr. Thorpe, Michelle Gershwin
and several other doctors that Dr. Thorpe brought to me,
Dr. Biss, Dr. Rutherford and Dr. Dan,
I can't remember his last name.
McDyer.
McDyer, right.
And we did this forum that's monumental.
I mean, as much as Dr. Thorpe and Michelle had conveyed
in the first interview, this will just
blew it out of the water.
The information, I mean, the fact is 80% increase
in miscarriages and all the adverse reactions
that pregnant women are having, excess bleeding,
changes in the average growth rate
among the pregnant women who got the vaccine
and all the other details that Michelle
and all the others put out was just mind boggling.
I know Dr. Thorpe, Michelle will go into more
of those details today, but it was just
absolutely mind boggling.
So I've been pushing the forum,
the feedback has been overwhelming.
And I wrote an article for the publication,
the final call newspaper.
That's the official paper of the nation of Islam.
Nation of Islam has been around for many years
and they're very popular in the black community,
their publication, the final call.
And I was sitting with my fingers crossed
because I spent a lot of things in publications
that don't get published.
It's frustrating, it's been hours, days,
researching, writing something that doesn't get published,
but they did publish it this past Thursday.
And their publication is one of the few
national black newspapers across the country.
And they have massive following within their own community,
but also in the general African-American community
and other groups that read it
because they do great research.
And so now I understand the circulation is like
over 625,000 nationwide.
That's not even counting the carry along
that is other people reading the same paper
in the same household.
So the word is out now, especially in the black community,
they know that these vaccines are dangerous
and this is gonna be a hot topic in the black community.
I'm very grateful to Shasta Erickson
for making all this possible,
Dr. Thorpe and the others, but I still wanna go further.
This really needs a number one issue
for us across the country
that this is an attack on fertility.
They are attacking the women,
they are attacking unborn babies.
And Michelle was saying 20 at her hospital a month or more.
Now how many hospitals deliver babies across the country?
And you multiply 20 or whatever that number might be.
I don't know what that number is,
I'm sure it's a big number on a monthly basis.
This is genocide.
This is horrendous.
You can correct me for wrong,
but I would venture to speculate
that it would be safer to give rat poison
to a pregnant woman than this COVID shot.
Cause at least we know what rat poison is
and we would know what to do to try and reverse it.
We don't know what's in these COVID shots.
All we have really is some doctors have access
to some vials and have uncovered some horrifying things,
but we don't have a official list of everything
in these vaccines.
And you get each company, I don't wanna name the name,
but you know the companies,
each one has their own formulation.
We don't know what these things will do.
We don't know what's in all of them.
And of what we do know from reliable sources is terrifying.
In fact, I spoke with Dr. Pilevsky recently,
and I was asking for an assessment
of just how bad this COVID shot is.
I mean, what is the long-reaching implication of this?
And he told me point blank, and I forget,
he said, Curtis, we will not be able to assess
the full damage these COVID shots are doing in our lifetime.
So in our lifetime, we will not know.
That's how bad.
Dr. Pilevsky, anybody knows who he is.
He's brilliant.
He testifies before political groups all the time.
He does lots of interviews.
He's absolutely brilliant.
And he's a classmate of mine,
we both went to Vassar College for what it's worth,
but I was shaken up by his revelation.
So they're giving experimental dangerous vaccines.
This vaccine's already killed more people
than all the other vaccines combined
over the past 30 years.
And this is right, you can get it right out of their research.
So it's the deadliest vaccine ever,
and they wanna give it to pregnant women.
In fact, in my interview with Dr. Thorpe,
he said something else that really shook me up.
He said that the documents that have been revealed
from Pfizer's submissions to the FDA
showed that they had already done experiments
on rats and mice, on pregnant rats and mice.
And they were coming out with the fetuses were deformed,
being born with no eyes, I believe no brain and all.
Who on earth could possibly think of doing something,
giving something like that to a pregnant woman?
That's the level of evil
that I think the average person cannot comprehend.
Are these people, they should be prosecuted.
I mean, these are criminals.
And even if they didn't invent the vaccine,
anyone who's given these vaccines with this knowledge,
they need to be prosecuted as accomplices
to attempted murder.
I'm sorry, I'm not a lawyer, but that's my view
based on what I've learned from Dr. Thorpe,
Michelle and all the others.
This is genocide, this is murder,
and they all should be prosecuted.
I mean, heads of hospitals need to be put on trial.
Some of these hospitals maybe should be shut down.
And these doctors and scientists and nurses
who are going along with, they all should be prosecuted.
I'm sorry, that's my view.
I must take your hand on behalf of any organization.
That's my view.
And so this is a wake-up call.
I hope everyone here will take the time
and go to my Substack, CurtisCost.substack.com
and watch the forum that I did with Dr. Thorpe
and Michelle and all the others.
It's fantastic.
Mind boggling, it's emotionally challenging.
It's something everybody needs to watch.
You can watch it for free on my Substack.
And I'm gonna continue to push this out there to the public
as hard as I can.
I think we need to reach out to all the colleges
and get them involved, let them know what's happening.
Colleges have newspapers.
I mean, I published books.
One of the easiest ways to get things out there
is through college newspapers, college radio shows.
And all these colleges are interconnected
with all the others.
We need to reach them.
And all these women's health groups,
we need to reach out to all of them
and let them know what's going on.
They need to hear this information.
Thank you.
Thanks, Curtis.
That was awesome.
And now I think the panel members in the audience
realize why Curtis Koss is my hero
and why I love the man as a brother.
I will also say this, Curtis,
you mentioned something that just came into my mind.
You said, this is more dangerous than rat poison.
And we use rat poison in pregnancy.
It's called Coumadin.
Coumadin was the original anticoagulant
and it was called warfarin initially
because it was actually developed by funding
from the Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation.
And thus they named it warfarin.
Coumadin, it is rat poison.
We use rat poison.
Occasionally we use Coumadin in pregnancy in cases,
but it is dangerous.
But you're absolutely 1000% correct.
I love that analogy.
This vaccine is much worse than Coumadin, much worse.
I've used Coumadin in pregnancy,
especially patients who are pregnant
that are very high risk for blood clots
with artificial valves in pregnancy.
The other thing that I would just ask
and we can back channel on this is that I want to speak.
I wanna speak to the nation of Islam.
I met Dr. Christina Parks who you probably know well.
I hope you know her.
And we met at the Mississippi State Senate earlier this week.
And we met at the, I believe we met at the
Washington DC Senate as well.
I think she was there, but anyways, she invited me
to speak at the nation of Islam.
And I really want to speak and present our data
to my brothers and sisters at the nation of Islam.
So anyways, thank you for that incredible overview.
And I also wanna, one third thing about Curtis,
I put him in a category with Dr. Andrew Wakefield.
Okay, these guys aren't slouches like me,
Johnny come lately whose eyes have only been opened
recently like 2010, my eyes were opened.
And I made a lot of mistakes with vaccines.
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I was pushing vaccines
before 2010, I pushed them in,
even the influenza vaccine in pregnancy.
And I deeply regret that.
I know now I've made a mistake.
I pushed vaccines in my kids.
And so, I'm a human being, I'm allowed to make mistakes,
but Curtis cost, Dr. Andy Wakefield,
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Attorney, Esquire,
these guys had their eyes opened up long before I did.
And with that being said, Charles, Stephen,
where would you like to go from here?
So thank you, Jim and Curtis and Michelle,
who had to go, Michelle Gershman.
Stephen traditionally asked the first question,
so Stephen to you and then we've got hands up already.
So Stephen.
So James, you remember that I was asking you
about what we need to do with education,
not just with doctors, but with the public?
They need to understand what has happened to them.
In my opinion, everybody has been severely,
everybody on the planet has been severely
psychologically tortured into a state of Stockholm syndrome
by their own government.
Now, if that isn't going to make people ill,
I don't know what will.
So we need to explain this to them
in language that is understandable
and also in language which makes them want to understand.
In other words, not written in civil service speak.
So I wonder whether you've had any thoughts about that.
There's just, there are so many aspects to this, as you know,
that's just on the medical side,
but then all the other things, it's not just medical.
So I just want, you may not have had time
to even consider it, but if you haven't,
then please, maybe you have some ideas in your head.
Yeah, yeah, I do.
I think that the point I was trying to make earlier
to your question was probably too long-winded,
but you're doing exactly what we need to do.
This is fifth generation warfare.
This has never gone on before.
I mean, just go back to Germany in the 1930s and the 1940s.
You don't look at, that was the Third Reich
and they were very evil people
and everybody knew they were evil
and they were killing not on a global basis,
they were killing on a regional basis.
And everybody in the world knew
that the Third Reich was evil
and knew that they needed to be destroyed.
Now compare that with what's going on now.
This is global, it's mass killing.
The evidence was clearly there,
but the people don't know they're being killed.
Exactly.
The only way we can address,
this is classic fifth generation warfare,
there's never been anything else like it in the world.
Just my government spent over $13 billion of my tax money,
our tax money to dispel this lethal misinformation
all over the world and kill people all over the world
and they have no safety data.
In fact, they have the opposite.
So what you're doing, Stephen,
is this is what you're doing every week, twice a week,
you're fighting fifth generation,
you are giving real information
instead of misinformation to the masses.
That's the only way I can see to fight this
and then for me to reach out,
which I've been attempting to do,
the clear problems that I have with my OBGYN colleagues,
why are we so diluted?
I made a bunch of texts yesterday,
there's been a standing joke,
in many, many decades gone past
that only the morons went into OBGYN
in order to qualify for an OBGYN residency,
you had to be in the bottom 10%
of the medical school of class, yuck, yuck, yuck,
that was a joke.
And so I kind of expanded on that yesterday
in several public tweets
that have been replicated quite a few times.
It's like, the standard joke
with the lower 10% of the class,
in order to go into OBGYN,
I mean, are we really that stupid collectively
as OBGYN docs that we would fall
for pushing a completely novel experimental drug
in pregnancy that was never necessary,
never effective and never safe.
In the whole history of humanity,
we've never breached the sacrosanct golden rule of pregnancy
and now all of a sudden, 99% of you are pushing this,
have you gone mad?
Did you learn nothing from Ignaz Phillips-Somowicz
or from thalidomide or DES?
Let's rethink this.
Sure.
And so James, you'll understand this.
So you went to medical school and I did too.
We were taught about ethics when I was at medical ethics.
It was really big, the medical school I went to.
And I remembered what we were taught,
but I was shocked when there was a reunion for our year,
the year that I graduated, decided to have a reunion.
And they were passing emails around the world
and I wrote to them in 2020, 2021, 2022,
Christmas email from Stephen Frost to all these doctors
who qualified with me, went to the same lectures
about medical ethics and all the other things
that have gone wrong with medicine.
And not one of the people in my year replied to me,
even privately, nevermind to the whole.
So I was absolutely stunned.
I thought that, so some of my friends were there
from medical school, quiet.
None of them wrote to me privately, nevermind to the group.
Three years in succession.
And the last was Christmas 2022, just two months ago,
just over two months.
They're in a cult, James, they're in a cult.
These doctors are in a deadly cult.
Cults are usually often deadly.
This one's very deadly.
I just wonder what you think of that,
about my colleagues from, sorry,
my fellow students from medical school,
terrified of even engaging with me.
So, they could have said I was wrong.
They didn't do that.
They didn't dare to do it.
They wanted to carry on doing what they were doing.
I don't know what they're thinking.
Doing what they were doing and not take responsibility
for anything, not reply to me, just extraordinary.
So what do you think of that?
I think it's absolutely horrible.
And I don't want you to feel alone, brother.
You're in the midst of a new family,
including admirers, including myself
and probably everybody else in the world, our new family.
I've suffered the exact same thing.
I'm a laughing stock of the world.
I'm a joke.
I'm mocked, I'm scoffed.
I'm really-
Yes, James, they mock you,
but they're terrified of you.
That's the reality.
They're absolutely terrified of coming near you
in case you ask them a question that they can't answer.
What do you think?
I think that you're right.
They're really afraid.
And the only way they can deal with me
is by laughing and mocking me.
Correct.
But I take that as a badge of courage.
My skin has really fit because
God has given me so many blessings and so many gifts.
And one of the most important gifts that he's given me
besides the intimate knowledge of my savior
is really, he's given me a huge truth
like he's given everybody else on this panel.
And I wanna point out to you that
that is a huge gift.
And if you have the truth, everything else be damned,
including what other people,
including family members think of you.
You have a valuable gift and to whom much is given,
much is expected.
Dr. Steven Truss is doing what he's been asked to do
by his creator by doing and disseminating truth.
And I don't wanna get too deep.
James, so I never kind of planned this.
It was the only way in my mind that I could survive
in extraordinary circumstances in my country.
So I don't really,
I just had to do what I didn't even realize
that it was in any way important.
I just, it was a survival mechanism for me
to connect with people around the world.
Sorry.
It's exactly what you're commanded to do.
And I don't wanna get too deeply spiritual here,
but I do wanna point out that this is a battle
against good versus evil.
It's a pure spiritual battle right out of Ephesians 6.
And so I think that there's so much deception going on
and we need to just expose the truth
and keep doing what you're doing.
James, you're a wonderful human being,
but you're a great doctor.
I can tell that.
You couldn't tell a lie if you tried, I'm sure.
Well, you could tell a white lie maybe like us all,
but nothing major.
And so, but you have accepted,
your humanity shines through when you speak.
People will listen to you.
And I wonder whether,
so you have, when you speak, you sound authentic.
And I think that's what people look for,
what human beings look for.
They look for authenticity in other human beings.
And if they have authenticity, they listen to them.
And I think that you and I maybe should work,
so we're both doctors.
We could, okay, you're in America and I'm in the UK,
but maybe we could work on messaging,
the kind of messaging that we'll get through to people
at different levels.
We're not kind of, we can't really work out
where people are, but maybe we can have five
or 10 different levels and put out our own propaganda.
So we don't have to prove anything,
everything beyond reasonable doubt.
This is my opinion.
I'm just asking you whether you think
there's anything in it.
We need to put out our own version
of what's happened in the last three years.
And it's been absolutely extraordinary
what's happened in the last three years
with everyone in the world, as I said earlier,
tortured into it by their own governments
into a state of Stockholm syndrome.
I cannot think of anything worse.
So they don't even realize that they've been tortured
by their own governments
because they've got Stockholm syndrome
and it's been done deliberately worldwide.
Well, sir, I have many Brit heroes and you're one of them,
but the other Brit hero that I have is Sir Karl Popper.
And I think you're well aware of him.
Yeah, I know.
But very famous philosopher and scientist
of the century gone past.
But Sir Karl Popper said,
you know that theories are never proven.
They can really only be disproven
and they're disproven in only one of two ways.
Basically, you can buy falsification
and refutation of this words from.
And all of us here, we have falsified,
we have literally shattered the false narrative
of COVID-19 on the vaccine.
I mean, we've completely falsified it.
So now it's incumbent upon your people
that are critical of our theory or our viewpoint
to falsify ours and they can't do it with real data.
So they can't do it.
Science progresses one funeral at a time.
And there's a lot more of them dying than there are us.
Unfortunately, I don't say that gleefully.
Not to get back, and I don't wanna harp too much
on the spiritual basis for this,
but I do have an important analogy
because I was just reading my good book this morning
and going through some trauma and some attacks here
and there, and I was reading Daniel.
In Daniel chapter 12, it says,
Daniel, 2,500 years ago,
God spoke through his prophet Daniel.
He said, in the end, there's gonna be the worst times
that this world has ever seen.
Check, that sounds like something we could be in.
And the next thing that we'll see,
it basically says is that most will be deluded,
but in that time, there will be those who shine
with the light of the stars.
And I'm thinking to myself,
who are those people that in the end,
with mass deception, will be shining light like the stars,
just for everybody to think about?
And 2,800 years ago,
God spoke through his prophet Hosea,
and he said 2,800 years ago,
Hosea chapter four, verse six,
God speaking to all of his creation, all us human beings,
my people die for lack of knowledge.
And I would ask the audience and ask the panelists,
in the last 2,800 years,
when has that prophecy been most solidly fulfilled?
Yes, very well spoken.
James, shall we see what questions,
so Pascal Najadi.
Yeah, Pascal's, okay.
He had his hand up first.
Pascal's next.
So he's in Switzerland,
I don't know whether you know Pascal James,
but he's in Switzerland, he's a Swiss citizen.
His father was assassinated,
unfortunately in 2010, is that right, Pascal?
In Kuala Lumpur.
His father was an international banker,
as is Pascal Najadi.
And Pascal has used Swiss law,
hopefully it's still there,
Alex Brinkley.
To lodge a criminal complaint against the Swiss president
for his part in what's happened in the last three years
as the health minister, I think that's true.
So he's the current,
he's a sitting president of Switzerland
and Switzerland is an important country
because as you know,
many of the agencies who we don't like
are the Bank of International Settlements, for example,
the World Health Organization
and many others as I understand it, are in Geneva.
And of course the World Economic Forum meets in Switzerland too.
So he has lodged this criminal complaint
and it's now with the Swiss attorney general,
not a state as in the United States,
so the Swiss state's attorney general, as it were,
you know, the highest attorney general in Switzerland.
So Pascal, do you want to go ahead?
Yes, please.
Good morning, good evening, everybody.
And God bless all those souls
that we lost in this process.
What I'm going to say now is very tough.
I'm a military man, I'm a Swiss citizen.
My father was a co-founder of the WEF,
this devilish organization
and he left Klaus Schwab in disgust in 1982
because he realized that Klaus Schwab was gone
down a path of evil.
We had banks all over the world, but that's history.
I have indeed launched criminal proceedings
and progressing against the Swiss president, Alain Berset.
On this note, I would like to add,
for everybody to understand,
the presumption of innocence applies to him at all times.
This is a criminal procedure running
at the highest office of our Justice Department,
the Swiss Confederation.
And I'm dealing with the federal prosecutor
of the Swiss Confederation in this case.
And I have exchanged numerous letters,
registered mail with him.
I have a very good report and I must say,
I can tell you that with certainty today, up to date,
since the 2nd of December when I launched it last year,
this process is crystal clear.
Justice in Switzerland is autark
and up to now functions like a Swiss clock.
Okay, now I'm in the middle of evils then.
Please listen carefully.
I've sent you all a chart.
Did you get it?
Can you please put it up in the chat?
You mean, do you want us to share it, Pascal?
No, yeah, if you can.
I don't know how to do this.
I can do it, sorry.
I'm very sorry.
I'll make you a co-host, Pascal, so you can share it.
Very good, thank you, sir.
I'll do that right now.
How do I do this now?
Just go to share the screen.
Okay, can you see this?
Yep.
Okay, I've spent $10,000 in producing this page
with two lawyers and one engineer.
This is the exact one-to-one translation
of all the legal clauses that are stipulated
in the agreement that has been voted last Friday
without objection.
I repeat, 194 nations have adopted this draft.
It's called the WHO, W-H-O, sorry, CA plus agreement,
which they are now discussing in high speed
because it, I call it it, I don't call it Satan
because it doesn't deserve even that name.
For me, it's it.
It is scared of me and us because we know the truth.
We have to cut through the bush here, guys,
because, and ladies, this is no, we have no time left
to deliberate about mRNA, nanolipids, nanobots
or graphenoxidin, I have in my body.
I have three shots, my wife and my mother too.
I'm doing concrete things to stop this machine.
Now, the criminal case against my president is ongoing.
It has four criminal charges.
I'm now for the first time revealing
those four charges for you.
Please don't spread them on Twitter.
First, abuse of office.
Second, severe bodily harm.
It's a crime, all are crimes.
Third, election fraud.
Third, fourth, bringing in circulation
a potentially deadly virus.
Okay, that is running.
Justice is on her own.
I will not pressure her.
I will not do any press statements to pressure justice.
There's no need for that.
She's doing her job at her space and in her space
and at her pace.
This is an autopilot.
Now, this chart, does everybody understand
the consequences what this chart says?
Or may I ask different questions?
Does anybody not understand what this means?
And please pick up, don't only to put up the hand.
Let's have a discussion.
It's horrible.
Tom, you're-
We all understand Pascal.
No, there's some confusion about the treaty
versus the amendments.
Could you explain?
There's no confusion.
The confusion is done by WHO purpose.
They have three avenues of attack on humanity.
One, the IHR agreement, okay.
Two, this one, which is now the one
they have been speeding up around IHR,
which is even more drastic.
And the third measure is they are amending the constitution,
which is illegal by the way of WHO.
They call it constitution.
It's total nonsense.
It's a privately financed criminal NGO,
but okay, they have a constitution.
They are now changing the 1946 signed constitution,
articles 19 to 22.
In other words, they're adopting a language
as a backup of this plan to vote three quarters
and the whole world has to then execute.
This is the plan they have in mind.
And this is what they want to rush through
as fast as possible if needed
with a crazy shock therapy that could come anytime
on some crazy fake virus, 5G induced Marburg
or a virus that is supposedly killing children
where people will panic.
And then the parliamentarians will say,
oh, please rush this through.
We need WHO to take control.
Now, this is going to be realized if we don't act now
in about two months from now.
They are saying that they will give us
a so-called ratification period to the governments
until 2024, June.
I don't trust the WHO.
I am with Astrid Stuckelberger.
You met Dr. Astrid Stuckelberger.
She's my friend.
We are very close.
We talk daily.
She's in Geneva.
I'm in Lucerne.
We are 300 kilometers apart.
And we meet often and we do meetings in Switzerland
with the military as well at the moment.
We are in a constitutional crisis.
The USA is in a constitutional crisis.
Australia is in a constitutional crisis.
Switzerland is now in a constitutional crisis.
Biden has sold the constitution 10 days ago to Tedros,
this fake doctor who is from Ethiopia
who is sought for war crimes.
This is reality.
Now, what this means is under the pandemic law
which they can claim at will at any minute, at any time,
as often as they want,
they declare a virus without clinical tests, okay?
They then come and say, this is the vaccine,
the bio weapon to be injected, force vaccinated 70.
They can strip me naked in my 600 year old house here
in front of my wife and they can force it in my body.
If this is signed or the children or the family,
then this agreement will have power over legislative offices
of your nation.
And it gets worse, the executive branch,
that means intelligence, police, security forces
and military.
And then you will say, okay, we don't comply.
I'm of the same nature.
I will say, you know what?
I don't comply.
I know it's fake virus.
They wanna scare us.
And I go out to the streets, I go to the restaurant
and then come the police with some machine guns
and say, look, this is loaded.
You better go home.
They shoot a few, maybe five or 10 or 20.
Everybody will go back to the apartments.
That's it, it's the end.
It's over.
They want to kill us.
You smelled it right.
I was listening for one hour now.
There is no ambiguity.
They want to depopulate the planet and I call it it
because the gentleman was talking,
speaking before me about the poor women
who got infertile and stuff.
It exists.
You got to realize that.
And this is a spiritual battle
and a constitutional legal slash court battle.
On all levels.
They have also a manual in place.
I have seen it.
I have it here.
I can send it later.
Where they already talk how to cut communications
of the population, how to disconnect us,
not only physically through lockdowns,
but to kill our WhatsApp, to kill our telegram.
They killed 10 days ago, my Yahoo account in Switzerland,
WHO, can you imagine, did this to me.
In my country, Switzerland.
All right.
So why did they do this?
Because with Anne Van der Steele
and I think she's here with us,
we made the news report 12 days ago
that the Americans, Dr. Martin and folks
are going after Dr. Fauci through doing Canada Barrage
and all those people who have funded
bio weapon development, gain of function,
spike protein proteins at the Wuhan laboratory
during a bio weapon moratorium,
get a function moratorium,
which was on the US and Canada.
We have all the evidence.
So now what do I do?
I go one step further.
I am also a British citizen
and that gives me special power, why?
I have filed with a Supreme Court
in the United States of America on Friday afternoon,
a temporary restraining order.
The judge has accepted it
and we're filing the papers, not electronically,
the papers, my legal advisor is going to court
on Monday morning at nine o'clock to meet the judge.
It will be stamped, rubber stamped.
The fee will be paid.
The lawyers, the law firm of Pfizer
has been notified duly on Friday.
I'm taking the devil front head on
and this machine will be stopped.
And not only the...
Okay, Pascal, Pascal, stop.
Thank you.
This is Q&A.
People want to see that chart,
if you can put that into the chat.
We have to go on with the other questions.
We understand, everyone here understands the threat of who
and you are doing great work.
We have to get to the other questions.
We have to...
Okay.
I gave you a bit more latitude
because of the importance of what you're doing,
but we have to move on.
So can you put...
If you want to come on to speak to us as a guest,
we can talk, okay?
Now Pascal's quite...
Pascal spoke, the recording, excellent recording of Pascal,
but in terms of further strategies, absolutely important.
Okay, thank you.
Gary Fink, Gary the Fink.
The Fink, he's the Fink.
Hi there.
Yes, Gary Fink, I'm from London.
I'm an actory and statistician.
I just wanted to ask Dr. Thorpe, I was good,
the question was aimed at Dr. Thorpe and Michelle,
but unfortunately Michelle's there,
but maybe Dr. Thorpe will be able to answer.
When she mentioned the 20 something,
it sounds like stillbirths, I think it was that she said,
in a period of time, I think it was one month, I'm not sure.
24.
Sorry?
24, Gary.
Okay, my question is,
did you, Dr. Thorpe or Michelle,
were actually looking to the proportions of the mothers
that had been vaccinated?
I mean, what is the statistic there on...
I can provide that for you, can you hear me?
Yeah, thank you.
Let me, can I, is it okay, Charles, if I could show us?
Yeah, share your screen.
Okay.
James, your microphone's a little bit low.
I don't know whether it's, but you may have
a very soft voice.
All right, I'll try to speak up, is that any better?
I think it might be the microphone.
No, that would be no better.
Yeah, I have the same problem with mine.
Let's see, any better?
Yes.
It's a little bit, but it's okay, we can hear quite clearly.
Let's see what I can do here.
Okay, so, I'm gonna share my screen here.
That was a great question. Thank you.
Let's see here.
There's no sharing yet, James.
Oh, now, yeah.
Not sure if that's...
Let me try to redo this.
All right, bear with me, bear with me.
Let's see here.
I'm gonna show you a picture that's worth a thousand words.
And I wanna show you this,
because I plotted all of Nerschel's data out.
You are correct in that,
this was data directly from the administration
in the hospital, so it's irrefutable.
And to answer your question, we're not allowed to go in
and look at that other data,
because we don't have privilege to it.
We were censored for, she was censored and reprimanded,
nearly fired for just elucidating the email.
I'm having troubles getting that slide
that I wanted to show you, but let me go with the data.
So, Jim, if you go to your screen
and you click on your own screen and then share
after you've got it up on your screen first.
Yeah, I'll give that a try.
Yeah, I think, yeah, here we go.
I'm in a mobile unit.
I have a mobile workstation,
because I'm over here in,
I'm actually over here in Fort Worth,
away from my mobile.
And let's see here if I can, there we go, yeah.
Okay.
So the data that we have that Michelle was sharing with you,
we can't go in and look at all the baseline rates,
but I've calculated all those numbers.
And here we are, this will do it.
This is great.
And I'll turn that into a, there we go.
All right.
And off screen share.
Yeah, you should be able to see that, right?
COVID-19 vaccines, it's your background again,
the blue, the yellow and blue.
Can you see that slide?
Yes.
Okay, great.
So yeah, I'll go down.
Yeah, we can, quite clearly.
Okay, so this is Michelle Gershman's whistleblower data.
And what you'll see here is,
first of all, a couple of things
that this came from an email.
This is directly from the head administrator
of women's services.
There's no disputing email.
And in the email, it was a page and a half,
and it was a very, very horrible email.
It was horrible detail, horrible insensitivity,
but the numbers are accurate.
There were 22 stillbirths,
which occurred in July of 2021.
And there was another record set in August of 2022.
Those are the only months
that we have absolutely irrefutable data for,
and we can't go in and get the rest of the data.
But by Michelle Gershman's testimony,
there was massive increase that began not in 2020,
but after the vaccine rollout in 2021.
And what I wanna show in this slide here,
and on the X-axis, you see the US stillbirth rate, okay?
And you'll see that blue line,
5.89, 5.89, 5.70.
Those are fetal deaths defined
as a fetal death after or after 20 weeks,
but before birth, whenever that birth took place.
In other words, birth of a dead baby.
So 5.89 per thousand births
in the United States of America.
That number is very tight.
It's very solid.
You can see that 2017, 5.89, 2018, 5.89, 2019.
Now, when you aggregate those three years
and you compare the birth rate to 2020, what do you see?
The horrible pandemic of COVID-19
did not increase stillbirths, actually decreased stillbirths.
The increase in stillbirths didn't occur
until after rollout of the vaccine.
And you'll see that if you take up here
at the first red triangle,
if you see my little arrow pointing that out,
that death rate went from 5.8,
whatever you wanna choose as a baseline up to 29.3.
That is a massive unprecedented one in a million year event.
Okay, that doesn't occur without a cause.
And as the administrator said in the email,
22 was definitely an underestimate.
That only captured the stillbirths
that came straight to labor and delivery.
The stillbirths that went to the operating room,
the emergency room, delivered at home,
the emergency room delivered at another facility.
They didn't even count.
So she said there were more than this.
But this is the data, it speaks for itself.
The enormity of that rise cannot be overestimated.
You're looking at one standard deviation
is about 0.5 fetal depth per 1,000 births, 0.5.
Do the math, that's 40 standard deviation surge.
And if that weren't bad enough,
look at this data from Lionsgate Hospital
in Vancouver, British Columbia.
This occurred last year.
There were 13 dead babies in one 24 hour period.
So this is a catastrophic rise.
I'll unshare my screen,
but those are the main points I wanted to emphasize.
And I hope I answered your question.
So, I mean, I think that's clear
that there's an increase in stillbirths
and it's way beyond statistical randomness that is caused.
Obviously, if the increase is manifesting times
with the vaccine rollout,
then that is gotta be a suspect cause.
But I mean, the question really boils down to
if the data on the excess stillbirths
in that particular center,
if it's known whether those mothers
were vaccinated or not, or what proportion.
I'm sorry to interrupt.
My name is Gail McCrae.
I'm a fellow nurse whistleblower.
And I'm-
Hang on.
Gail, send me a message,
part of the message in chat
and we'll let's decide whether you interrupt, please.
Put your hand up.
Love to hear from you.
Just send me a note.
Maybe you know how to do it, Charles.
She does.
Just send me a message.
Keep going, Gary.
So that's it.
I guess I wanna just finish off my question.
I'm not sure if what you said,
because you didn't have full access to the data,
whether it's known what proportion of the excess stillbirths
in that center were from vaccinated mothers or not.
Because that could help roll out
some other confounding cause.
I can respond to that if I may.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, sure, please.
Yeah, yes.
These are very, very highly vaccinated areas.
So the vast majority of these,
if not all of them were vaccinated.
Again, I can't prove that,
but you're looking at Michelle Gershman's testimony
that basically almost all of the pregnant women
were not only pushed the vaccine,
but almost literally forced.
She talked about several obstetricians
that would browbeat the patients
personally into getting the vaccine.
So listen, I practice out of,
of course the whole world I take calls from,
but my private practice, or if you will,
my employed practice is in Missouri and Illinois.
And I've definitely seen an increase in stillbirth
in my practice, but it's nowhere near the increase.
I'm sorry.
Let me, let me move that.
Okay, James had to go off to answer a call.
Now, Gail McCrae for 30 seconds,
your friend of Michelle, please unmute
and answer Gary's question.
Yeah, so I know Michelle very well,
and I also am a nurse from California
where we had extraordinary high rates of COVID-19.
California where we had extraordinary high rates
of injections in our hospitals and communities.
Michelle informed me that there are two OBGYNs
working in her community.
Both of them made it mandatory for their pregnant women
to all receive the jobs during that time period.
So if they refused, if those pay,
if the pregnant women refused the injections,
they were dropped from those OBGYN care.
And there were no other OBGYNs in that community
to overtake their care.
So if they chose not to get the injections,
they were led into either another community
or into the care of midwives.
Gail, Millie, thanks.
Gary is- And I can confirm in my community,
my community as well,
we saw a threefold increase in hospitalizations
directly related to the onset of the injections.
In my community, we had about a 90% injection rate
and there was in the exact same scenarios,
a direct correlation with the onset of injection
after hospitals being empty for the-
You're at mute, Gail.
Can I make a comment on this question?
Yes, please, Curtis.
I think was also really critical.
I think it was just looking at the timeframes.
All-cause mortality, we looked at statistics for 2019,
2020 was lower.
2020, that's where the virus supposedly escaped
from some laboratory, if you believe that,
and did all this hard.
But the overall death count went down.
And Albert, his thing, Albert is on the call, I believe,
his thing is analyzing various data.
A lot of his reports that there was definitely
a dramatic increase in reports to VAERS
of vaccine injuries and deaths
after the vaccine came on the market.
So I believe all four of the insurance companies
are talking about all-cause mortality deaths
actually increased like 40% in 2021
once the vaccine came on the market.
So we're not looking at an isolated situation
when we're talking about increases in infant mortality.
It's across the board.
And so we got to ask what happened between 2020 and 2021
that all these deaths from a lot of different levels
and all these injuries, that's the thing was critical.
See nothing of all these sudden deaths,
all these athletes suddenly dying.
When in our history have we seen all these athletes
around the world just dropping dead on the football field,
the basketball field?
It didn't happen until 2021 when the COVID shot came out.
So I think it's good to have a broad view
of what's going on.
Thank you.
Excellent point, Curtis.
And that's the strategy that it to quote Pascal is using
to say there's no causation link.
We know that's bullshit.
Thank you, Gary.
We got to keep going with questions.
Shasta.
All right.
Well, I guess for me, I'm here to speak for my moms
and their babies that they lost
and that I witnessed over the last two years
and the trauma that they've experienced
where at three months the baby just dissolved
because it lost blood flow.
At five months cervical incompetence.
So it just the cervix fell apart and the baby died
and 30 year olds with no follicles.
And completely barren.
Young men having erectile dysfunction and no good sperm.
And seeing the look on these moms' faces
and holding their hands through their miscarriages,
it's insane.
And all of the doctors told me this was safe and effective
and better than if they got COVID.
And I'm thinking based on what?
There is no long-term safety data.
And that is a sales pitch for Big Pharma Harma.
So my question is this because I'm very grateful
to be a part of the solution is how do we have
allopathic medicine be re-inspected
starting with this COVID with the tests,
the diagnosis and the treatments such that it's logical,
that it's not harmful, that it's first do no harm.
How do we get ourselves back to a safe medicine?
Number two, how do we do it for all of the vaccines?
Because this is what these little kids all over the world
are dealing with this and this.
This is madness and insanity.
And I'm standing for these children.
I love them, they're angels.
So my prayer is that we can find a way forward
to re-inspect our medicine and have healthy medicine
that isn't poisonous.
And I would love to know what the panel thinks,
how we can go about doing that.
I mean, I'll take a stab at that.
Thank you very much for your really brilliant
and eloquent comments.
In my opinion, this cannot be fixed.
It cannot be fixed without completely taking down
the entire medical and military industrial complex
we need to finish.
My president's job, John Fitzgerald Kennedy
and Eisenhower that stated that this complex
was the greatest threat to the United States of America.
Kennedy said he was gonna disassemble it.
He was murdered in a coup d'etat from my government.
It's only gotten stronger unless we finish JFK's job
and utterly destroy the medical industrial complex,
which is now the military medical industrial complex,
will not win because they've grown powerful
and wealthy and it needs to be taken down.
And it needs to be replaced with ethical people
that have ethics.
I jokingly, it's not a joke,
but you take somebody like Peter McCullough,
who I say is the five-star general,
Peter Patton McCullough, MD, MPH,
I think the world, the global medical freedom force,
that's what he is, people like him.
I don't know of anybody more credentialed in the world
to lead that.
He's all over the world speaking truth.
We need to line up behind,
I will line up behind somebody like him
and completely destroy the CDC, the FDA, the HHS,
all of the boards because they failed
and they're killing my patients and they know it.
They refuse to look at the data.
And that's exactly what Dr. McCullough on Friday
and at Substack called out a pregnancy category X
for the vaccine.
It should be pregnancy category X.
It should be removed from the market.
So there's a black box warning on it now
by Peter McCullough and by myself,
and it needs to be banned throughout the world.
And we need to disassemble the CDC and the FDA.
They're corrupt to the core.
They cannot be fixed.
They're offended by vaccine profits.
Over.
If I could add to that, I think another element,
I completely agree with Dr. Thorpe is public awareness.
I mean, one of the greatest challenges I've had
over 30 years, it's just trying to wake up people
who are just mesmerized.
I mean, literally people view doctors as ministers
and priests and rabbis, and they view hospitals
as temples and churches and synagogues.
Nobody wants to question their rabbi or their minister
or their church.
And by the same token, nobody really wants to question
their hospitals or their doctors.
Those are sacred in the minds of many people.
We've been programmed from childhood
to have absolute faith in what they say.
Plus the fact medical, I mean, the school system and things,
they train us in such a way that most of the people
are afraid of anything scientific, anything medical,
anything technical.
I was a political science major and MBA in business.
I was not really eager to dig through a lot
of technical medical jargon, but I realized the issue
that I was trying to uncover was critical.
So when I was in the library with stacks
of medical journals all around me,
I had my medical dictionaries and psychopedias right there
to help me understand what the heck they were talking about.
We have to get people to overcome their fear
of asking questions and looking things up
and starting to question things.
And now things are much easier than when I was doing
this kind of research because I mean,
I was brought up the old fashioned way.
You go to the library and you find books
and medical journals, you do that.
Now they just go to Google, not really Google as much,
but you go online and you can search up for anything you want.
Just type in any name of any vaccine, type in side effect,
adverse reactions.
We have to find creative ways to get more of the public aware.
I will say on the positive side,
there are forces of good out there.
Like of course, Dr. Thorpe and Michelle,
Bobby Kennedy and many others who are very powerful people
in the background, I can tell you,
they are out there who don't like what's going on.
We have to wake up more people like that
and wake up more of the general public.
Because once the public understands
what I think most people here understand,
they will become outraged.
And then they will start putting pressure
to make the type of changes that Dr. Thorpe mentioned.
So I think we have to be creative with the good marketers.
Like one of the things that I have done
is I've created some animations, some cartoons,
essentially that deal with some of these issues,
but it does it very briefly,
in a very funny, cute, entertaining way,
but it gets the message across.
Everybody who watched those animations I've created
understand the issues a lot better.
So I think we need to be very creative
at marketing this information
so the average person, grassroots level, understand this.
And we need to push this out there as much as possible.
Because once the public understands,
I mean, I've seen it many times,
when people understand some of these issues,
they become outraged.
They become like raving fanatics.
I know I went through that stage.
We have to get more of the public.
And I will say over the past 30 years,
we have grown more in the past three years
in terms of people being aware of the dangers
of vaccines and the corruption of medical establishment.
We are now millions across the country and around the world,
and that's phenomenal, but we need a lot more.
So public awareness, I think,
is one of the critical elements
in bringing down this corrupt system
and placing something that does what it's really supposed to,
which is save lives and do the right thing.
So James, I agree with you
and with what you've been saying as well, Curtis,
but I think that what we've seen in the last three years
is a totally broken medical system
and we can't reform this.
We have to start again.
And yeah, you know, I possibly was trained
under the shadow of this medical industrial complex,
which was kind of, but at least we knew about ethics.
So once, when I look back,
so I think, well, actually all those drugs,
you know, I was shocked by the big pharma representatives
who came around, you know, trying to encourage doctors
to prescribe their medicine.
Well, first of all, I thought that was improper.
And then I used to ask them,
I used to say, these studies look pretty shaky.
You know, the numbers are too small to draw any conclusions
and they just batted away, you know,
and but nobody else was asking any questions.
So doctors, I mean, so the drugs reps,
they wanted to see the doctors
and then they would take us out to dinner
and goodness knows what else, you know.
Yeah, initially you could, I didn't go,
but doctors did go on holiday
at the expense of these big pharma companies.
But to be fair, I don't think, you know,
I'm not sure, but I don't think that many of them
understood what was going on,
that they were being bribed essentially.
What I think now, James, is that not only do we have
to start again, but we have to look at all the drugs.
We can't, clearly have been massively misled
with these injections.
So we have to look at all vaccinations in inverted commas.
We have to also consider, you know,
the people who are shouting out about no viruses
and getting very frustrated.
I personally think there was no pandemic
and there was no disease called COVID-19.
That's the no virus thing.
We haven't got time for that in my opinion.
We need to look at that later,
but we're never gonna get the people
to understand that at the moment in time.
We have limited time to get,
but we can get them to understand
that there was no pandemic.
I think that's possible.
And we may be able to, you know,
if doctors explain the process of diagnosis,
it seems to me that the diagnosis of COVID-19
was never properly done.
They used a test which should never have been used,
was fraudulent, to diagnose a viral illness.
We've never used a test before
to diagnose a viral illness.
So why is it that I was one of the few doctors
pointing that out in 2020?
And I was kind of half disbelieving what I was saying
because I couldn't understand why there's so much silence.
And so the other thing was that I noticed
that there was no symptom
which was pathognomonic for COVID-19.
All the symptoms could be due to flu, pneumonia,
respiratory syncytial virus,
the common cold which disappeared.
It was just nonsense.
And I think that the fraud was so big
that there was no pandemic
and there was no COVID-19.
It's possible that there's no virus
and there never was any virus.
And the whole world.
Come on, come on, come on.
No, hang on.
The whole world of virology was constructed
so that these perverts could do what they've been doing
for the last three years.
And not only virology, but genomics, epidemiology.
I don't reckon on epidemiology.
Most epidemiologists are not doctors,
although a secret fact he is.
And the other thing that I'm very suspicious about, James,
is evidence-based medicine in inverted commas
because it's a tyranny.
It's a tyranny to get doctors to do all the same thing.
That's not how doctors work.
We were taught that at medical school.
Anyway.
Enough.
Come on.
Okay.
No.
Okay, I'm sorry.
Can I just comment on what you were saying?
I'm sorry, Curtis, yes.
I thought it was someone else.
Yes, Chris, you should.
Steven, I completely agree.
In my book, Vaccines Are Dangerous,
I have two chapters that I think you might find interesting.
One chapter is entitled, Don't Trust Doctors.
And I have a whole list of books and articles
talking about how doctors, according to their own literature,
it's the third leading cause of death in this country,
saying nothing about what around the world.
Gary Knowles' team estimates that doctors are responsible
for like a million deaths annually.
That's Gary Knowles' team.
But I think it was a Harvard study
that showed that it was like, I think 250,000 deaths,
one third of all the deaths in this country.
There are a lot of problems with a lot of doctors.
I don't want to go into too many details,
but we need to look at the big picture.
This is something that was created for profit
by very notorious people.
And I encourage you to read Rockefeller Medicine
and Medical Mafia, many other books that I document
in that chapter, Don't Trust Doctors.
So yes, we need to look at the big picture.
I will say there are good doctors like Dr. Thorpe
and others out there, and others who are quiet,
that do the right thing and do save lives.
So I do want to acknowledge those.
But unfortunately, there's too many of those
who just go along with what's happening
and people suffer and die as a consequence.
Another chapter in my book, Vaccines are Dangerous,
is a chapter called Exaggerating Diseases,
in which I look at a whole list of common diseases
which vaccines have been created.
And I show it each and every case,
the diseases were minor.
It wasn't an automatic death sentence.
Measles, for example, is not a death sentence.
The average kid will get a fever and a rash
for a couple of days, a week or so, and they recover.
Now that's true in America, but you know,
third world countries where health problems, yeah,
well, they can get sick from anything.
But in America, those diseases are minor.
Polio, you look at the action statistics,
the uptick of polio was in the 50s, around 50,000 cases.
Well, if you look at the FDA's own standards,
CDC's own standards for what constitutes a rare disease,
here's the number everybody should remember
if you don't know it already, 200,000.
Okay, so remember that, write it down, 200,000.
According to our own government's agencies,
any disease that affects fewer than 200,000 people
is considered a rare disease.
So if you look at polio at its height, 50,000.
Well, if 50,000 cases is here,
and the standard is 200,000, where's the emergency?
There was no emergency.
There threw people into a panic.
Right, there was never an emergency, and there still isn't.
So why on earth is USA currently, at the moment,
I cannot enter the USA because I'm not vaccinated.
That's medical apartheid.
So if there's no emergency, why is the United States
of all countries in the world operating medical apartheid?
It just doesn't make sense, does it?
Well, it does make sense if you realize,
I mean, the- Of course, yes.
that created this system.
It's a for-profit system where profits come before people.
And they already make plenty of money,
but they're not satisfied with that,
so they want more, plus their other political agendas,
you know, population control.
So Curtis, and James, so I think that it's not surprising
at all that doctors have been targeted,
because if you think about it, you know,
doctors don't realize it because they're very young
when they qualify usually,
and so, but they have enormous power
over people's lives and hopes, you know, ill.
So if people are ill, the first thing they look for,
and we would probably do, well, actually,
I don't know whether I would at the moment,
I'd turn to a doctor, I was gonna say.
No, I wouldn't actually.
I wouldn't go to the nearest hospital, certainly.
But anyway, point is that you turn to,
so, and everyone wants, needs a good doctor at some stage.
So it's in our interest to sort this out,
not just for humanity's sake,
but also for every individual human being
who wants to complete their lives
as much as they possibly can.
So, and so I think that it's not surprising
that doctors have been targeted by Big Pharma.
We should have been taught about that at medical school,
the danger of being coerced by Big Pharma,
and this kind of event, this has to be told.
Come on, come on, come on.
We got questions.
I was thinking of a response to that,
I would say that from what I've read,
I'm not a doctor, but you guys are doctors,
so you can confirm this or not.
When they're recruiting
who's gonna get into medical school,
they're not looking for independent thinkers
of the creative type, the ones who are gonna rock the boat.
They want conformists.
People are gonna do what they're told.
That's what I've read, that's what I've heard from doctors.
And so you have a group of people
that are good at what they do,
but their personality type, they were chosen
because they're not the kind of people
who are gonna rock the boat.
In fact, one of the reasons I chose not to become a doctor
is because I've been underpaid.
They're very good at school, very good at passing exams.
They're very good at complying at school,
being a good student,
and they're very good at doing the right thing
in a so-called pandemic, which was never a pandemic.
Well, that's one of the reasons I chose not to be a doctor
because I knew that I was gonna rock the boat
and had to lose my license.
I just knew that about myself.
So I do wanna say that in the chapter on exaggerating disease,
I go through a whole list of different diseases
and I show the statistics
and the medical science own literature,
these things are all minor,
including up to the COVID situation.
I mean, most of the people were dying in 2020,
even though the overall death rate stayed about the same,
or declined depending what statistics you look at.
Most of the deaths were among elderly people,
people in their 80s or so who already had cancer
or diabetes or whatever.
And when they died, they just called it COVID.
What the people who were 20 and 30 years old
and average health, they were not dying of COVID.
The whole thing was blown out of proportion,
exactly gross lies.
In fact, there was one report that said that
there were cases of people who died of gunshot wounds
still listed as COVID deaths
because through the CARES Act,
these hospitals get money from declaring somebody
having COVID, testing positive or die from COVID.
They literally get money for that.
Just look up the CARES Act.
Yes, we know about that, Curtis.
Right, so I'm just saying.
So it was a total failure of diagnosis,
but why did it happen?
It was necessary to drive the pandemic,
which wasn't a pandemic, through fear and shame.
And this is the tactic,
you know, the last time I was on your program,
I talked about my presentation I gave in Tennessee,
and that was the whole focus.
They've taken the same script going back 100 years
to Spanish flu and used the same script again and again,
throwing people into a panic for a disease
that does not exist,
causing people to run out to get tests with face masks
and especially get the vaccines.
And when they get the vaccines,
that's when they start getting sick and start dying.
It was true 100 years ago, it was true with H1N1,
it was true with swine flu, and it's true now with COVID.
The ones who are dying are the ones who take the shot.
So we've got to get the public,
do more to wake up the public to understand the lies
that they've been told and start thinking for themselves.
All right, come on.
On we go.
We seem to have lost hope, Charles.
Well, come on, stop talking, Stephen.
Shasta, thank you.
Have we done your question?
Yes, I think this is a really good inquiry
is because we're not all gonna agree on anything,
but if we could all agree that we want safe medicine,
I think we can get somewhere.
Sure.
Absolutely.
Thank you, Shasta.
Will.
You're muted, Will.
No, he's not muted.
His microphone's not working as happened before.
Well, he thinks that.
Mariah, you go next.
Thank you very much.
My question is for Curtis.
Curtis, you've been involved with the issue
of dangers of vaccines for a long time.
And I wonder if you have anything you could tell us
about the overuse of injection given to our...
Wait, there's an echo.
William, why don't you...
Your microphone and your camera out.
Yeah, anyway.
Okay, Mariah, did you finish your question?
No, I'm sorry.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, I can hear you.
Oh, I'm sorry, okay.
So I wonder if you can say anything
about the overuse of the injections
where we're encouraged and often required
to give our dogs and cats, our pets,
and we often don't get informed consent about those either.
Thank you.
Sure, I mean, I've been thinking about writing a book on that.
Now, if you realize that they have no qualms
about poisoning human babies, pregnant mothers.
Now, you can just imagine the horrendous stuff
they're putting in the vaccines for the dogs and the cats.
It's just frightening to think about it
because people love their animals.
In fact, when I got my dog and cat from a shelter,
I was supposed to have it vaccinated,
but I never did, there's no way.
I knew I don't trust vaccines for humans.
How the heck am I gonna trust vaccines for animals?
I never did.
And my dog, I estimated he had to be at least 18 human years,
lived a very long, happy life.
Same thing with my cat.
Neither one of them vaccinated.
They were very healthy and strong,
lived way beyond what dogs and cats normally use.
And I meant human years.
And so I haven't delved into the specifics,
but I can already imagine.
And that's the book that I think I should write,
would like to write,
because most pet owners, they just do what they're told
and vaccinate their kids.
But I do have reports of dogs getting sick
and having all kinds of other problems,
but I'll talk about that more detailed
when I actually get around to writing that book.
But it's something that needs to be done
because most pet owners, they know nothing about this issue.
Thank you very much.
Thank you, Mariah.
Thank you, Curtis.
Will, is your microphone fixed?
Check, check, check.
Can you hear me now?
Yes, we can.
Great, thank you.
Sorry about that.
Okay, so this is for Curtis.
Hi, Curtis.
Doing good.
This is, I want to remind you of a conversation
that we had on your sub stack.
And the title of the post was,
and it was a video that was part of the post.
It was an animation.
It was called Crash Course on the COVID PCR.
And it was published on January 6th.
And my first question is,
was that video written and or funded
by Children's Health Defense?
No, no, it wasn't.
It was funded by Music is Medical mandates
and I wrote and directed the script.
Okay, I just thought that millions against medical mandates
might've been a program.
Sometimes they have physical sponsors.
I just thought the physical sponsor
might've been Children's Health Defense.
Yeah, we had a sponsor,
but they paid for the first three that I did,
but couldn't get other sponsorship for others.
So that project got halted.
But we'd like to have it started up again,
because that was a great mechanism
for communicating information to people
in a non-threatening way that's entertaining and very brief.
Yeah.
But what was the question?
Oh yeah, thank you.
Will, reduce your microphone in for it's far too loud.
Okay, sorry about that.
How about now?
That's better. Better?
Yep.
I'm sorry about that.
Yeah, Curtis, so my question is that about this video
and the accompanying text of the article contains,
I would say confusing information, contradictory,
and some of it is, I would say, false information.
Hang on, hang on, hang on, Will.
This is not a, what the F are you doing?
I'm gonna ask, Charles, this is a very-
Ask the question.
I have to do a set of, this is gonna take me two minutes.
If you allow me to express myself,
I'm gonna be able to get to the question.
Be relevant, listen.
The deal-
Is relevant?
Good, keep going.
Okay, thank you.
So Curtis, we all wanna get to the bottom of this thing.
Everybody wants to get to the bottom of this thing, okay?
So my question is that this video,
I mean, in the comment section,
you and I were discussing in the comments
and in the comment section, you admitted,
here's what you said.
Yes, I know that no COVID virus has ever been purified
and proven to exist.
Therefore, there's nothing for the PCR test to be based on.
You also said this test has also been proven
to be worthless.
Yet in the video, the video makes the statement
that the COVID PCR can produce 90% false positives.
This is implying that the COVID PCR is meaningful
in perhaps 10% of the cases,
which is by your own admission, and that's not true.
And then the other statement is that the video says
that casual transmission from healthy people
is virtually zero.
And I would say transmission of what?
The text confirms that,
says people infected with COVID-19 who are asymptomatic,
which is most people, do not spread COVID-19
and you cite children's health defense.
So my question is, why would you create a video
that by your own admission contains false information?
Well, good question.
The thing is, when you start talking about viruses,
it's a very tricky thing because it's not something
you can explain to the general public in 30 seconds.
That video is like five minutes.
If I would have gone to the details of all of that
that you're talking to,
it'll be a lot more than five minutes.
It will lose a lot of people.
Yes, the claim about being the 90% false positive,
I know it's bogus because the test is 100% false positive.
But if I were to say that in a five-minute presentation,
there open a whole lot of other questions
that you wouldn't have time to go into.
But that's the mainstream information
about the accuracy of PCR.
So I took what was generally out there
and put that out there, which is damn near of itself,
but there's no time to go into all of that
in a five-minute video.
And yes, about the transmission, again,
if I were to go into the details behind that,
that'd be a much longer presentation.
I mean, you look at the works of Dr. Dave Rasnik,
Tom Cowan, many others out there,
they give great detailed presentations on the whole issue
of whether this COVID virus exists
or where the virus is exist.
Those are very long, detailed, complicated discussions.
Can we simplify, but you can't do all that
plus other things in a five-minute video.
So I appreciate what your concern is,
hope I clarified and that's a great question.
Thank you, Curtis.
I just, you know, it's just a super important point
to get right.
And it's hard for me to understand
how somebody who knows the truth
would promote this fiction that viruses exist,
that COVID was a real phenomenon.
Well, now- That's all I have.
Thank you.
Very, and that is an interesting point
in terms of getting a message across in five minutes.
Thank you, Will.
Thanks, Curtis, for the answer.
Kirk, more MD, more what?
More, now here we are, being playful.
Kirk?
I think Dr. Thorpe had his hand up.
He wanted to answer that real quickly before I started.
Oh yes, sorry, go ahead, James.
Sorry.
Oh yeah, I just wanted to,
with regard to the prior discussion,
I respect all points of view,
but this is exactly why I stay in my lane, okay?
I don't really wanna get involved with
issues that separate us.
I respect all opinions
and I've read on both sides extensively,
but I choose not to comment on them.
And here's why, it's devices.
And number one, I'm in my lane
and I am endowed,
I speak only what my commander in chief,
my creator tells me to talk about.
I talk about only what I know
to be absolutely for certain to be true.
The COVID-19 vaccines are killing my patients,
women of reproductive age, pregnant women,
pre-borns and newborns.
I don't really give a rat's anus
about what the exact mechanism is
or whether all of the other,
the bottom line is the shot is killing my patients.
That's all we need to know, stop the shots.
There's a black box warning,
no pregnant woman in this world
should ever be subjected
to an investigational gene shot, period, over.
Excellent, stop the shots everybody.
Thank you Jim, well expressed, Kirk.
I'm pleasure to be here.
Jim, nice to finally meet you face to face.
And I just have a couple of comments and then I'll get off.
I am total agreement with the whole medical, military,
industrial complex that we are warned about
when Eisenhower left office.
My question to you, Jim, is,
have you had any direct conversations?
And I'll finish up and then listen.
Have you had any direct conversations
with the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology
about what's going on?
Have they ever responded to any of these inquiries
regarding the increase in fetal demise?
Have they had any official statements
or anything going from there?
Second thing is along the lines with Pascal,
and I think he's already gotten off,
it's certainly late in Switzerland right now,
but I think that's something that we should have a big,
longer further discussion about,
because how do we combat this whole WHO, UN,
quote unquote, treaty?
And I think we need to have a much bigger discussion
along those lines, because this is way beyond
even just the medical industrial complex.
Individually, what can we do specifically
as individuals, both as physicians,
as practitioners, as politicians,
as influencers or whatever,
we kind of need to figure out a plan.
Some people talk about contacting our county governments,
our sheriff's departments.
I was on a Twitter space yesterday
where a guy mentioned that we have the opportunity,
or we actually have the legal right to form grand juries,
to go after people.
And then that way, when they show up in your county,
the means kind of very similar to what Pascal has done
when he started with his grand jury
and his complaint that he filed in his canton.
It was brought up earlier, I don't remember who it was,
vaccines are going into all mammals.
And so in one way or another, we are gonna get it.
They are forcing it into us by injecting our pigs
and injecting our cows.
They might even be spraying it in some capacity
on all of our fruit and vegetables that we get to.
The whole system is corrupted,
not just the medical system, not just the HHS,
the whole system is.
In this whole COVID thing,
we have not been able to get any case past a judge.
Everything has been thrown out
before it even gets to discovery.
Even the case that Brooke Jackson has right now,
which should be an easy slam dunk case
has still might not survive the motion to dismiss.
And if you watch what Jackie Breger
and what John Thaler presented to the conference
in Arizona just last week,
it was an amazing, amazing discussion
that needs further discussion.
And then I think Curtis, you brought up,
or somebody brought up something about
being able to educate ourselves.
The struggle with educating is,
and it was as mentioned earlier in the text,
in the thread here,
is that we didn't know that each one of us was out there.
Yes, some people managed to get on TV,
some people managed to be,
kind of get out there and get on TV and everything else
and get on the radio.
And we were able to kind of listen to what they had to say,
but everything is censored.
Google is now censoring and shutting down websites
of anybody and everybody who claims that this is a lab leak
that the virus came out of a lab.
They're shutting people down.
So it's, even the people that may wanna educate themselves
have to find another way.
And so for the average person who just goes to Google,
which is 72% of the population,
and they're trying to look up lab leak theory,
they're not gonna see anything from the other side.
So, and then Curtis, one last thing,
you mentioned cartoons and you mentioned humor.
I think it's, I don't know the guy's name,
but I think it's Bob something or other out of England.
And he has a great series of cartoons
that he's done on this and he's made a career doing it.
So I think humor is a great way to try to address people.
So anyway, thank you.
And I appreciate the forum to,
to kind of speak my mind.
And I plan on getting on here a lot more frequently.
Thanks guys.
Kirk, can I respond to Kirk for a second?
Hello.
Let's.
Okay.
So where is Dr. Thorpe?
No, no, so Curtis go, Jim's doing something else.
First, I would like to agree with Kirk
about the need to give people other alternatives
for getting information.
You're right, he's right, you can't rely on Google,
but you can go to Children's Health Defense website,
you can go to Rumble or listen to Medical Dias of COVID Ethic.
We have to start directing people to the sources
where things aren't censored.
I mean, most of the things on Rumble and Bidshoe
are not censored.
And that's been one of my greatest efforts
to get things out to the average person,
let them know where they can go,
they get high quality, well-researched information,
which they're not gonna get in the mainstream,
social media or mainstream newspapers.
So that's why a lot of the events that I do
are on the streets, in the communities,
handing out flyers, talking to people,
doing local cable shows with people,
get the average person who's not already plugged in.
We got millions of people plugged into our networks,
but we need a lot more.
We need a lot more people on the grassroots,
including people who are Latino.
As bad as things are for a lot of us with our media,
it's worse for the Latino community
because they don't have any alternative sources
of information.
There's nobody else out there hardly
telling them this type of information.
So I think part of the challenge and opportunity
is to get more things to the average person
so they can know where to go.
I'm working on an initiative right now
with some cable channels that can help us do this.
And the other thing, whoever that person, Bob, is,
that Kirk was mentioning,
I'd love to get his full day of the website
and I'd love to see the type of animations
that he's doing on this topic.
Thank you, Curtis.
All right, Jim, did you get,
then I know you've been doing other things
just in terms of Kirk.
The question is, what can we do?
And Curtis has answered that question.
We've got to keep talking to people.
Our messaging, and Curtis made a crucial point,
the marketing of information is the crucial step.
That's up to all of us.
Absolutely. Jim?
And Jim, that is what you're doing.
So we need writers, yeah.
We need writers.
Messagers, people who are experts on messaging.
Sorry, James, you go ahead.
Well, I was just going to ask,
answer the question of Dr. Kirk Moore,
which is, yes, I've aggressively attacked
the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology,
aggressively, all the time, multiple times a week.
And I have communicated with them for over 18 months.
I've been slamming them.
And all they've done is threaten me.
Steve Kirsch, just a week ago,
published my letter to the American Board,
which was probably six months ago.
I've written several letters to them
and they failed to respond.
They don't have any answer.
They don't have any safety data.
Over.
Thank you, Jim.
So Charles, Bob Moran is the cartoonist, apparently.
I can't remember who it was.
Just put it in the chat.
Yep, very good.
Thank you.
Thanks for that.
Bob Moran, look him up, Curtis.
He's hilarious.
Fantastic, thank you.
Thank you, Kirk.
Yes, Elbit.
Yeah, Jim, how are you doing, my man?
I love you, God bless you.
I don't know why you like me so much,
but man, may God continue his hedge protection
around you and your family.
So sorry you got to make that quick trip out to,
you know, out to Texas, I guess,
but maybe I shouldn't have said that.
But anyways, God bless you, Jim.
I don't get to see you in person so much,
but I just wanted to throw out that
I didn't really have a question,
but I put up on the chat a download
for those little business cards that we made for you.
Not business cards, but it had, you know,
your picture on there and to say that these jabs aren't good
and, you know, the fertility stuff for people to print out
and take it to the street and hand them out to people.
And it's got a little QR code
that takes you back to more information.
So just grassroots stuff.
And of course, my man, Curtis Cost,
we got a good little group around here,
and I think this is one of the best Zoom groups
going right now and will be remembered
a thousand years from now.
And that goes all the way back to Charles and Dr. Frost.
So thank you guys for keeping this going.
Thank you, Albert.
Thank you.
Thank you, Albert.
Thanks.
Alex Bailey, so we've got one AB
and now we've gone to the next AB.
And then we've got a JB, golly gosh.
Alex, you're on mute.
Alex, you're muted.
Hi, can you hear me?
Yeah, yes.
Sorry, I didn't even realise I have my hand up.
But anyway, I just wanted to say that,
I think it's amazing that
what this group has achieved to date.
I'm putting together a website
which maybe people want to get involved with
called covidconversations.com.
And I want to basically bring to people's attention
what journey we've all been through
and why we've been through this journey
and where we're going
and where we hope to get to in the future.
So just a little sort of shout out
in terms of what I'm working on right now.
And if people want to spread the word
about what they're trying to achieve
with confronting all the problems
with the law and all the health issues
around the COVID scandemic,
I'm quite a useful asset for people here in Europe
in particular, in France
and getting to heads of various people in the media here.
We have good networks here.
So please contact me and share whatever information you've got.
And that's what I'm going to say.
Alex, you're a British citizen, yes?
I'm a British citizen living in France.
And you live in France, you're in France.
Correct, yeah.
And I work with an organisation,
I have direct links to an organisation called Bonfant, S-E-N-S.
And I share a lot of information with them.
They basically put together a lot of information
for prosecuting various legal cases
against various governments
and medical institutions, et cetera, et cetera.
So I'm a resource in terms of information,
but I'm going to be putting out my sort of website
in the next two to three weeks
in terms of COVID conversations,
which is going to be more to capture
the historical relevance of the journey we've all been on
and how we're going to get from A to B.
Because a lot of the stuff that we share here
doesn't get out into what I call
German, French, Spanish, or Portuguese.
So that's where I'm coming from in terms of trying to edit
or cherry pick some of the low-hanging fruit
of what we're all discussing.
So that's what I'm going to speak about.
Your website, are you intending to catalogue the information
like a relentless librarian?
Correct.
I want to basically even cherry pick
some of the conversations of the people we've had on here
in days gone past, edit out some of the video snippets,
put it together in what I call more like Twitter,
sound bites so that people, and actually,
because my team here can actually translate this
into German, French, Spanish, and Italian.
And we can actually expedite
the messages that we want to get across to people.
Generally speaking, people only have 30 seconds
to read a headline before they've moved
on to the next subject.
So that's where I'm honing my spear.
And so I'm just throwing down the gauntlet to everyone here
and saying, if you want a resource here
that can help spread the word here in Europe,
please knock at my door and contact me.
Alex, I think there's a real need for people
who have the skills of librarians,
but not necessarily the views.
So we need people like you to act as librarians,
essentially, and catalog and store the information
and maybe form timelines if you have time,
because timelines are-
I think, yeah, I mean, Stephen,
let's take this conversation
of the current topic now, or the conversation now.
I'd like to follow up with you and Charles,
and I'll email you both and just say,
let's try and put this into a format
which is easy to-
and create the chronology of events
that's led up to where we are now and where we're going.
The destination is we have to destroy
this satanic enterprise that is we're fighting against.
And Alex, may I suggest that you search out the information
which has been knocked off the internet,
but is stored on, what is it, way back or something?
Pull that out, because obviously,
that's information that they don't like us to see,
and we need to find it.
It's all there, and we all need to work together.
So yeah, okay, over now.
Thank you, Alex.
All right, John.
Thanks, Alex.
John, John the Bowdwin.
Hello, all.
Dr. Thorpe, are you still there?
Yes, sir, I'm still here.
Okay, excellent.
Good to see you again.
There are two things that you mentioned
that are kind of right up my alley I've been working on.
I just wanted to, well, number one,
I have this, I call it the Vermont Memorandum
I'm gonna come out with,
and that's to put all the politicians on notice.
That's a legal term of art,
meaning that they will have knowledge that
there are,
there are injuries that flow from their actions.
Once they have knowledge,
they can no longer claim mistake or ignorance of fact
as a defense in the future.
So it kind of boxes them in a corner.
And with it, I have death certificates,
various records correlated, plenty of deaths.
I mean, very obvious deaths.
So if you'd like to talk about that,
I'd be happy to talk to you offline about that.
Secondly, as far as tearing the whole system down,
rebuilding it, I mean,
a lot of us agree with you definitely on that.
The way to do it is the question.
I've floated an idea to, I'll just say,
you know a few big names,
and I was told put it together and send it.
I would like for you to review what I'm doing
because it's right up your alley.
It's a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very,
it's international medical ethics.
It's a reaffirmation of Nuremberg code, Hippocratic oath,
the Helsinki declaration,
adding on it a layer with regard to genetics
and electronics and new stuff that we have to deal with
and having a watchers of the watchers.
In other words, citizens watching the FDA and CDC
to ensure that they aren't corrupted by pharma.
And so we just clean them out and start over.
So I think you'll really like the idea.
It's probably, I'm not gonna say the organization
it's gonna go to, but there's a newly formed organization
with a very, very big name that's between the US
and Switzerland and it's international.
So, you know, if you're in, I wanted to tell you now
so that you don't forget about me
and let's talk offline about that, okay?
Love to John.
All right, thank you.
Thanks.
Well done John, good thinking.
All right, everybody, we've got 20 minutes to go.
We finished at the two and a half hour mark on the dot.
Thank you Curtis and Jim for being here
both with your schedules.
We've got Jim Thomas now, former flight,
what are you Jim?
Just remind us your flight surgeon, what were you?
What are you?
Yes, former Navy flight surgeon.
Thank you.
So most importantly, John is a radiologist.
Ha ha, correct.
He sees through things as well.
That's right, we knew the Jim things.
The two Jims, there we go.
Right, so Jim, thanks very much for all you're doing.
Number one, we're talking about this COVID
as if we know it exists or don't know it exists.
We may wanna consider talking about
the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein
because that's exactly what is the mRNA makes our body make.
So consider that as the conversation
because that is theoretically
what's being tested on the PCR or whatever.
Number two, the issue of children
and who is actually in charge of this
the who and who is above the World Health Organization.
Just understand that the Secret Service
is under the Department of the Treasury
and the Secret Service was established
on the 14th of April, 1865,
the same day Lincoln was assassinated
because he was talking about taking us off of,
what do you wanna call it?
The federal.
So the question is a couple of things.
Knowing that that's one of the issues
that it is the people who were, and JFK the same thing,
he was about to take us off of the Federal Reserve System
understanding that our financial system
could have been done on our own
rather than going through the Federal Reserve
World Child Banking System.
And he also was assassinated.
How do you address the bigger issue
that this may be not just the...
You've broken up, so Jim has missed half your question.
Start your question again.
Now.
You know what, does anybody have one?
I'm just gonna try and have to get to a better
place and then I can just get somebody else to answer.
The best thing, Jim, is just try switching your video off
and then you'll have a bit more capacity
and then it will probably work.
So your sound is breaking.
Okay.
Yeah, and it's because I'm moving rather than this,
so I'm gonna step away and then you'll be able to hear me.
So, yeah, sorry about that.
The Federal Reserve System,
the Federal Reserve controls the Secret Service
and the Secret Service is,
the purpose of the Secret Service
is not to protect the President,
but to protect the currency and to stop counterfeiting.
So since the Secret Service was started
on the 14th of April, 1865,
the same day Lincoln was assassinated
and also Kennedy was assassinated
because he was going to do quote,
counterfeit currency or currency not done
by the Federal Reserve.
This may be the link, the Federal Reserve may be the issue
of how this corporate structure
or the corporate industrial complex is facilitated
and they may have links to the Department of Defense
because Sasha Ladoeva showed that this,
so the Department of Defense is in on this
and if the Department of Defense
and these people are actually quote, demonic,
then are they hurting our little angels or the babies
that you're so working hard to protect?
And is this actually a demonic war
where they are using these jabs to harm the children
and then remove the restrictions on child abuse
actually focusing demons on the angels?
Thanks.
I mean, in response to your question,
I mean, that may well be the case.
This is a spiritual war, evil against good
and I don't really wanna comment on anything
except what I'm willing to die for right now
to stake my life on and that is that the shots
are killing my patients.
Stop the shots immediately.
I don't wanna argue about who's doing it
or motives of what somebody else is doing
or whether all these other stuff are peripheral.
It's poison.
Stop poisoning the people of the world.
Over 13 billion people have been poisoned.
Over five, I'm sorry,
over 13 billion shots have been administered.
Over 5.7 billion people have been poisoned.
They've killed my patients, women of reproductive age,
pregnant women, pre-borns and newborns,
the most vulnerable population all over the world.
Ban the shots.
I don't care about anything else.
Stop the shots.
Thank you, Jim.
Clarity of mission, thank you, Jim and Jim.
Thank you, Jim.
Okay, final questions.
Stephen, over to you and Curtis,
I don't know where he went.
He did he drop off or did he leave?
But the clarity of messaging, everybody,
what Jim is showing is the importance
of clarity of messaging because less is more.
Less messaging equals more impact.
If you cover a thousand messages
and there's a thousand messages
from the 100 people on this call, 10 messages each,
that's a thousand messages, it achieves little.
People get confused.
Jim's message is very clear.
Stephen, over to you.
Final questions.
Correct, Charles.
And I think that if people think about
what is the main message that they would like to get out
and then stick to that message,
rather than trying to think of a hundred things
which are wrong with the nonsense narrative
and thereby they dilute their own best message.
So a lot of people don't want,
they use the scatter gun approach instead of constant.
So if you look at what the governments
around the world have done, they put out propaganda
and they say, there is simple messaging.
That's how human beings operate.
We need to do the same.
We do not need to prove everything we say.
And we can, it's ethical surely to employ all means possible
including propaganda if the intent is good.
So James, I've been conscious that a few times
you've been kind of pushed aside.
So is there anything that you would like to say
to people watching?
Me, Jim Thorpe?
Yeah, you, yeah.
Oh no, I haven't felt pushed aside.
I'm so honored to be involved
with this incredible platform, thank you.
And I just wanna say that, you know, Dr. Peter McCullough
and myself have made the jab,
the COVID-19 genetic technology shot a black box.
It is contraindicated in pregnancy.
It's category X in pregnancy.
Do not trust any of your hospitals, your care providers
or physicians or nurses.
It's banned worldwide.
It is a worldwide poison.
Don't ever take it.
Thank you.
Sure, so James, but so maybe you want to confine it to that
but you are a doctor and you must have views on, you know
how has this come about?
Doctors have been led so far astray.
I was trying to say earlier that doctors are the foot soldiers
of the evil ones in this world, it seems to me.
And so I think people maybe are including me
are a little bit surprised that doctors have been targeted
to the extent that they have, but it was always inevitable
that they were going to be targeted.
If you think of the power that each individual doctor
has over his patients and so power to do evil.
And so obviously, you know, politicians are lobbied,
doctors are lobbied, politicians are led astray,
doctors are led astray.
We should have realized this.
I should have realized it.
And I didn't realize that it was happening to this extent
but this last three years, it's become very, very clear
that something was terribly, terribly wrong.
I personally think that this system cannot be reformed.
We have to start again.
We have to start over, as you say, in America.
And that was said about the IRS at Congress.
I think that was right about two years ago or maybe three.
And so I think we need to kind of get our message in order,
you know, your message, my message, each of us individually.
And we have to think of ways to use people and not use
but to get people like Curtis, whose job is to transmit ideas
as I understand it, he's very good at talking
and he knows what people are interested in.
So you and I, James, we don't necessarily know
what people are interested in.
We may think we know, but we don't really know
what's going on in people's heads.
I mean, in the last three years, I've been shocked.
I thought that people thought vaguely as I did.
And I think a lot of people think that, you know,
throughout their lives.
And it's come as a real shock to me
that it's not like that at all.
Even in this group, we all think differently.
That's fine, but we didn't even realize,
I didn't even realize, I don't know whether you did.
So I just wonder whether you've got any broad points
that you may have in your mind, which you haven't said so far.
I think I've spoken my piece
and I really appreciate your comment.
Everyone, I guess I would like to,
just I didn't get a chance to,
I hope everybody knows Dr. Kirk Moore and he's my hero.
For those of you, you know, you heard about
the black box warning and the category acts
and pregnancy proclamation.
Well, you might say, well, Thorpe,
where in Hades do you get the authority to do that?
Well, I take the authority to do it
because the people that should be doing it
are incompetent lying cheaters.
So I've also awarded for those
who's just a formal announcement going out globally,
Dr. Kirk Moore has been awarded the Nobel Peace Prize
for what he's done.
He's also been awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor
for what he's done.
And he's also been awarded,
he's being officially knighted by the UK,
by whose authority?
By mine.
And he's also been awarded the Silver Star.
So he gets awarded-
Sorry, who's that, James?
The Silver Star.
Yes, but who is this you're talking about?
This is Dr. Kirk Moore, who is on the-
Who's on this call.
Oh, right, yes.
Thorpe Moore is being prosecuted
because he did the job of saving lives.
And let's be clear, this man is a hero.
He put his life and his entire career
for saving his patients.
Those patients that wanted to not have the shot
for their children, he wasted the vaccine
and gave them saline.
He's a hero, he's a bloody hero,
and he should be acknowledged as such.
And he's being prosecuted, fined, his career destroyed,
and maybe put in jail.
So he is a hero, and he is the hero
like Dietrich Bonhoeffer in World War II.
Sure.
And so James, do you have an idea
of how we're going to bring the people responsible
for what's happened in the last three years,
the massive evil, the huge crimes?
Do you have an idea how we're going to bring
these people to account?
And also how are we going to fully understand
what has gone on?
Because if we don't understand what has gone on,
we're never going to hold them properly to account
because we risk holding them to account
for the wrong things.
So it's a bit much to ask you,
but I just wonder if you've got any ideas.
No, it's already solved.
That's a too big a question.
We're going to let Jim go.
Everyone's going to go.
Okay, well, how do we expose the criminality then?
How do we get these people,
how do we differentiate between those people
who didn't know what was going on
and were misled by the system,
and those who are actually culpable
and you could argue that all the people who complied
were culpable because they kept the thing going.
But how do we sort out who is complicit
and who is responsible?
Because if we can't do that,
we're not going to be able to hold people to account
unless we just-
I think the powers that be have clearly elucidated
in many published books,
exactly for certain who's accountable.
And then there's a lot of people in the gray area
that you and I probably are not in a position
to make that decision,
but a court of law or a tribunal, military tribunal
or Nuremberg court should, absolutely should.
Exactly.
All right, we're off.
Thank you, Jim.
Thank you, Curtis.
Is there any absent here?
Thank you very much for having me.
Thank you for your time, Jim.
Thank you, Uwe Kirk.
Thank you.
Thank you for all the questions, everybody.
The Telegram chat is in the link
for those who have the video.
We're back on Tuesday afternoon,
Tuesday evening, Wednesday morning, Australian time.
Thank you all for being here.
Save the chat and fight your fight.
Be clear on your messaging and stay strong.
As that wonderful quote says,
I'd rather die standing than to kneel living.
So Jim has made that statement.
Kirk Moore is doing that.
Stephen, you're doing that.
I'm doing that.
All of us here are doing that.
Albert, you're doing that.
Shasta's doing it.
We have to keep doing it, everybody.
We're three years into a six-year war,
so there's no chance to get tired.
All right, thanks for being here.
Wonderful night, wonderful day,
and we'll see you on Tuesday.
Bye.
Thanks, Stephen.
Bye, everybody.
Bye, John.
Thank you.
Thank you, James.