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Hello Anna, thank you very much for coming. So last night I was thinking I wonder whether

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Anna's forgotten about the arrangement from months ago I think.

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It was in my diary yeah we had some difficulties finding dates because the summer was busy.

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Yes.

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Right well well done.

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Great to have you here on the 1st of November in Melbourne but Halloween for you in UK. Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.

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In today's discussion this group was founded by Dr Stephen Frost during the darkest days of the

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COVID scam responses with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health

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and matters far broader than merely COVID.

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Stephen Frost has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower

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and activist, his medical specialty is radiology. I apologize for my voice. On Monday night I spent

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a four, I did a four hour presentation live and Q&A Stephen to an audience of some 70 people and

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I got too passionate and excited and kept talking so that's what's happened to my voice. I'm Charles

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Covets the moderator of this group. I'm Australasia's passion provocateur. I practiced law for 20 years

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before changing career 30 years ago and over the last 12 years I've helped parents and lawyers to

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strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an

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industrial hemp company. We comprise lots of professions including doctors, lawyers, homeopath

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journalists, scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers, troublemakers and theoretical

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physicists. That's you Benjamin. And we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that

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vaccines were okay. Now many of us proudly say yes we are passionate anti-vaxxers. If this is

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your first time here welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're

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put the links into the chat so we can follow you promote you and find you. Most of us understand

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we're in the middle of world war three and that there are various battle lines as part of this war.

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Most of us understand the development of the science and the science is never settled.

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Some of us believe in viruses some do not some are on the fence. This meeting runs for two and a half

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hours after which for those with the time Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts

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the links into the chat if you're able to join. We'll listen to Anna Lutfi our guest for as long

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as Anna wishes to speak and then we have Q&A. Stephen Frostfight long established tradition asks

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the first questions for 15 minutes. There's no censorship that's a free speech environment

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with appropriate moderating free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve

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our human freedoms and I remind you that the communist playbook from which my parents were

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refugees in 1949 to Australia the communist playbook is to start with the limiting of free speech.

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If you're offended by anything be offended we're genuinely not interested we reject the

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offense industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another. We come with

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an attitude and perspective of love not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you,

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love on the other hand expands you. These twice weekly meetings are not just talkfests

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an extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by attendees

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people put the details into the chat the meeting is recorded and is uploaded on the Rumble channel

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and now welcome to our guest presenter Anna Lutfi Barrister, Dr Lutfi, a doctor of law,

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PhD in law I presume Anna and we thank you so much for giving us your time sharing your wisdom and

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insights well done on your work on education we've all had a look at your bio that we shared in the

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invitation and thank you Stephen Frost again for creating this group and for organizing

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Anna to be with us today. Anna we are in your hands.

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Well thanks very much for inviting me obviously I'm really thrilled and I can see lots of people

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in attendance so thanks to all of you for your attention and for giving me time this evening

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to talk about my work with primarily the Bad Law Project which is a project that I work as a legal

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consultant to. The Bad Law Project was set up by Lawrence Fox who's the leader of the Reclaim Party

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which in its own way is trying to challenge the sort of two-party stranglehold on our current

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system where on many of the key policies some of which you've touched on the two parties seem

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completely identical and then growing swathes of the population in the UK don't feel represented

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so the Reclaim Party if it doesn't have a chance of getting into power at least tries to shake up

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the conversation because as was just said the communist playbook does start with speech and

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although I'm not going to talk about Covid today and I'm not going to talk about the science of

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the medical industry and how it's constructed to serve particular agendas you will find that the

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story that I'm going to tell has much in common with that particular narrative the Covid-19

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narrative and the mandated vaccination program. So I'm an employment and human rights barrister,

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I have my own chambers, I'm self-employed as I said I work as a consultant to the Bad Law Project.

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Let me just say a little bit about why the Bad Law Project was founded because I've mentioned the

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political wing of the organisation which is the Reclaim Party but the Bad Law Project is a separate

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independent think tank that is available to people who want to discuss the problem of what

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we call bad law in the United Kingdom and it's important that I define bad law because it's sort

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of relevant to explaining the issues that I think you've invited me here to discuss namely the

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primary issue being how has major institutions in our society been seemingly captured

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by activists who wish to promote a certain political narrative and to sanction those of

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us who wish to challenge that narrative. Now I think we're all aware of how

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mono-dimensional our political and public cultures have become and how political classes but also

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representatives of high-profile positions in both the public and private sector all seem to speak

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from the same hymn book if you will but I think nothing makes us more uneasy when we see this

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as when we see it taking place in our schools because if it's true that the communist playbook

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starts with censorship and a chilling effect as we lawyers say on free speech it also starts

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with indoctrination programs in the youngest among us in our society who are too inexperienced,

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too vulnerable and too susceptible to question narratives which us adults in our own way we can

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find mechanisms to challenge even if we don't feel completely empowered there are ways in which

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we can organize and speak and think freely amongst ourselves but children don't have that option

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because their minds haven't been developed for long enough to be able to exert sovereignty over

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themselves and so they are absolutely susceptible to suggestion and the school is an institution

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which holds them supposedly in loco parentis for hours and hours of every single day so most

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children spend much more time at school with their peers and with their teachers than they

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actually do with their parents and siblings and I think we forget that but whilst across the public

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and private education sectors there are a variety of systems in place to vet and monitor teachers

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in schools so that they are not behaving in ways that are considered to be inappropriate

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whether that be in terms of what they're teaching and also in terms of their behaviour and comportment

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there is a whole arena of stakeholders if you will who are not subject to any vetting or any

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regulatory oversight whatever and they have total free access to our schools and in the UK

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we call them the third sector and I'm going to talk about the third sector in a moment so what

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the bad law project is trying to do is to identify where quasi private actors often posing as charities

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often posing as consultants often posing as experts scientific experts

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pediatric experts people who've got expertise in child development and education

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how these kinds of actors that operate in the so-called third sector manage to get access to

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institutions and in the process they rewrite the rules if you will and what is happening over time

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is that society not just in schools but across different sectors of life is being transformed

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away from actual law most of our institutions most of our lives in so far as they're conducted

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publicly are regulated by legal structures but when you look at the role of the third sector what

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it does is it tries to undermine actual legal structures legal regulations and legal sources

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which at the end of the day faulty though they are are subject to oversight and are also

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scrutinized in public authorities in spaces where public authorities hold sway such as the UK

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parliament they're scrutinized and members of the public can have opinions on what legislation is

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drafted and whether it's fit for purpose they can also apply to repeal it petition to have it

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reviewed there are lots and lots of ways in which the public can engage with the legislators in order

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to oversee correct and debate aspects of the laws that govern our lives but when you have

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institutions operating according to policies and guidance that are drawn up by third sector experts

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the law becomes irrelevant and everybody is working from documents telling them what to do

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and what will be done and for what objectives and the timelines but nobody in the general public

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has any idea who drafted that that policy how it was approved at what interests are served and how

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it can be challenged and we all know that democracies rest on the idea that decisions

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can be challenged that's the that is along with freedom of expression and debate the ability to

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challenge law is a key way in which people exert their democratic freedoms and rights so when the

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legal world starts to shrivel and you have lawyers increasingly working with electronic systems

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on data using databases and cloud systems and online platforms it's only a matter of time before

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we see that aspect of the law wither away as we become increasingly digitalized and algorithms

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drive decision making but we're also seeing the written letter of the law wither away

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because increasingly what is legislated is not actually what is governing how people behave

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so our schools are basically governed by the third sector and these are not legal provisions that

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we can challenge as a public the bad law project sets out to identify what is being done on a

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policy basis and who are the actors behind the scenes and then trying to find means often non-

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legal means such as general campaigning to show the decisions that are being made to try and identify

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who's making them and the impact that it's having and to get the public behind campaigns to challenge

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so it's basically a legal project that fights policies disguised as good law and we call those

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policies bad law and the way that we call them bad is because they're not accountable

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and they seem to have very politicized agendas which haven't been agreed to by the

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the voting public and that we can't hold those policies to account as I said and so that that is

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what we define as as bad law and we try to bring it out into the open so everyone can see what's

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going on and so when we built our education initiative with the bad law project we were

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looking at the role of the third sector in schools and the impact that it's having on children's

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welfare now I'm sure all of you could think of millions of ways in which education is skewed

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and indoctrinating children and trying to marginalize certain views and promote others but

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really the the case that we're working on is to do with one issue in particular which does have

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obviously strong connections to the work that you're doing on covid and that is the

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the promotion in schools of something called gender ideology which in a nutshell is the

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uh vicious lie unscientific and immoral lie that a child can be born in the wrong body

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which is the starting point ideologically for a child to start asking all sorts of unhealthy

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questions about themselves that is designed to lead that child very swiftly into

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a sort of medicalized identity where they will be potentially susceptible to all sorts of medical

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interventions psychological interventions that will again service those same interest groups

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that we sell we see and we saw during the covid so-called pandemic namely the pharmaceutical

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companies so so gender ideology is very much connected to pharmaceutical agendas and the

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pharmaceutical lobby groups that exist behind the scenes if you will because obviously when a child

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identifies as the opposite sex that there are myriad medical procedures which suddenly they become

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a captured audience for or a willing customer if you like but the biggest problem with targeting

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children in this way is precisely the reason why children are also an attractive audience for the

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third sector the problem with children is that they are young and therefore consent is usually

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required from their parents if they are to be making any kind of adult-like decision but the

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reason that the third sector enjoys targeting them is because they're also susceptible and the

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reason they're susceptible is because they are young so there's a kind of contradiction there

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you've got a captive audience that will do what you tell them to do and that's why they're

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not able to tell them but you have this annoying obstacle in the way even though you've managed to

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get into the institutions you've still got these damn parents who happen to love their children

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very much and 99.9 percent of them absolutely are unconvinced by gender ideology or the idea

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that you can be born in the wrong body some for faith reasons some for secular humanist reasons

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some for plain old common sense reasons some for scientific reasons but most parents do not want

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to transition and don't think it's healthy or sensible for young children to be fed this idea

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so they have to go how do authoritarian systems tackle parents well they usually set up clever

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state-supported parental schemes that do the same work as parents do and they usually set those

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schemes up to assist children from dysfunctional backgrounds children from impoverished or broken

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backgrounds who don't have the sort of parental and family support that most children deserve

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and we know that welfare systems across the western world have traditionally justified their

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existence for precisely those vulnerable in society who don't have any other means of support children

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included now most parents don't fall into the broken or dysfunctional category and in fact

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what is fascinating about human beings given all that they are subjected to every day no matter

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which culture or moment in history they come from is that they manage to successfully rear relatively

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functioning human beings and they do this whether they're poor or middle income or incredibly wealthy

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and they do this sometimes against all odds when they have very very disabled children

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or very difficult family circumstances they manage to raise healthy children why because

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they unconditionally love them because those children are their children that is a big problem

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because it's very difficult for the state to come along and say we've got something better than this

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unconditional love we've got a whole system of care that is equal to if not superior to parental

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love the state simply can't do it well what we saw in the 1960s was the introduction of something

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called the whole child approach which was the idea that children should not just be taught subjects

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that the curriculum decides are good for them to know to prepare for professions or careers or life

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at vocations after they leave school the traditional subjects that we all know that we did at school

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you know arithmetic and reading and writing and all that sort of thing and then going on possibly

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some of us to a university degree system where we choose one specialized subject no the whole

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child approach has been introduced with the express purpose of dealing with a child's life outside of

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school again ostensibly it was introduced in the 1960s to tackle predominantly african-american

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schools in certain parts of the united states where there were high levels of dysfunction or

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family breakdown but once this was rolled out with huge sponsorship from international funds

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the rockefeller foundation being one poured a lot of money into into this scheme so that it could

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be mainstreamed across different jurisdictions not just the united states but once it had been

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established in this couple of african-american schools it became a dominant ideology for pedagogy

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generally across the united states and also in the united kingdom so from the 70s onwards we see the

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whole child approach entrenching itself in the uk school system and as i say the whole child approach

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says we don't just do reading writing and arithmetic what we do is we tackle things

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that children need to know about life sexual relationships drugs dating friends health hygiene

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dealing with anxiety depression things that don't actually have to do with the school curriculum

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per se but will help equip them for a better world and and the more discerning amongst you

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in the audience will have already picked up that once we introduce the whole child approach which

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is basically defined as not the curriculum subjects you have a space and this space is not really

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defined so it's not really clear what this sort of social personal education should really consist

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of in the united kingdom it is mandated to teach something called relationships and sex education

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which is basically an outcome of the whole child approach in our school system but it's not clear

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what should be taught as relationship and sex education because it's not it's not like english

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where there's a curriculum and everybody's sort of agreed that children will learn to read books and

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discuss ideas and things like that personal social education or relationships and sex education

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doesn't have a clear remit and and and no clear remit has been provided by government so you need

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to have schools need to sort of know what they're supposed to do when they're mandated by the state

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to teach it so what they do is they get these charities coming in whom they pay with taxpayers

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money if it's public if it's a private if it's a state school sorry

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they take these charities these consultants and they say look can you can you just tell us what

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we're supposed to be doing here and these educational charities have reams and reams of

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material which they have prepared for every age group taking them through the various stages of

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what they say will give them a complete and appropriate age appropriate introduction to the

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adult world and these people nobody knows who they are nobody knows what qualifications they hold

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to know exactly how they're assessing child age appropriateness but the outrage that has been felt

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by parents since this thing has been mainstreamed and especially with the appearance of gender

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ideology within the framework of relationships and sex education has been remarkable so we're

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now talking hundreds and hundreds of parents who are starting to become openly vocal about their

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desire to translate their frustration into legal action and that's what we're working on at the

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bad law project a legal action that will reflect the concerns that these parents have these parents

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are concerned about several things first of all they're concerned about the fact that they don't

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know what relationships and sex education is as i said it's mandated by government but

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legally parents still retain a right to withdraw children from something called sex education but

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they have to keep their children in school for relationships education as i say no one's ever

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bothered to distinguish those two things and we don't know which lessons a parent could withdraw

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their child from so there's a whole obfuscation there that frustrates parents because they

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they know that what's being pushed in relationships education is often sex education by the back door

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and sometimes quite graphic and quite inappropriate so that's one concern they have the second concern

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they have is that when they ask to see the materials that these providers these third sector providers

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are bringing into schools and showing children they will be told by the school that they can't

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see those materials those materials are protected under copyright law by secrecy clauses and it would

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be against the commercial interests of these so-called charities kwangos it would be against

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their commercial interests for parents to see and possibly copy and share these materials

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it's a nonsense of course but the information commissioner's office in this country has supported

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schools that have denied materials to parents even when they've been challenged legally by parents

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and i'm working with parents who have challenged the information commissioner's office and

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and i know exactly how she struggled to get access to these materials and what she was told when there

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was some sort of compromise done after the conclusion of her legal case which she lost

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was that the school said she could come in and basically see the materials for five minutes or

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so but she had to sign an agreement that she wouldn't distribute or disclose the contents

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again for private commercial reasons so as this parent put it basically parents if they do struggle

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to see the the the resources and they demand their rights as parents to do so they basically get

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forced to sign some sort of non-disclosure agreement ostensibly in the interests of

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protecting commercial property intellectual property but i think we can also think of other

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reasons as well which is that the success of this third sector invasion of our schools

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has largely rested on the fact that most people have absolutely no idea what they are teaching

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now what are they teaching well i can't i can't tell you about all of it because it would take

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too long but the parents that i'm working with to build a case against the department for education

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are particularly angry about the constant references to gender identity as a

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as a valid identity in the world and one that has been historically persecuted in the same way that

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black people were persecuted in the united states for their skin color it's a ludicrous

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ludicrous assertion but using and distorting our equality laws again bad law they take the equality

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law which is good legislation and they redefine it interpret it change words around and in doing

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so they can promote their own agenda through their own consultancy packages as good law but it's not

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it's fraudulent law it's bad law and using this bad law approach they promote gender identity as

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a protected characteristic under the equality act making it similar to race so that you couldn't

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question anything that they say about gender identity because then you're the equivalent

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of a racist who's challenging the idea that black people should be equal in society but the problem

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that the many of the parents have is not that they think that gender identity people should not or

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transgender people should not be equal it's that they don't think it's appropriate to tell a child

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that they've been born in the wrong body and some of these parents have experienced horrendous

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consequences as a result of being told as a result of their children being taught

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that gender identity is a valid beautiful identity and that their parents shouldn't try to stop them

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if they want to explore that identity and that there are lots of resources online that they can

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go to if they want to explore their gender identity we have charities so called in this country

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advertising chest binders to young girls as they're going through puberty and are probably quite

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distressed by their changing bodies in any event imagine telling a pubescent child that the things

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that are happening to their body can be reversed because they might actually be the opposite sex

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it is psychological gaslighting it is sexual and physical experimentation by the pharmaceutical and

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public state sector on our children when they are too young to be able to question

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and and stand up to this this kind of indoctrination and i should add actually that in

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uk law political indoctrination of children is actually prohibited under the education act 1996

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and so parents are thinking about possibly using that as one of their legal strategies in to

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building their case is to actually make the point that children shouldn't be promote shouldn't be

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indoctrinated with ideas without there being a fair hearing for the other side of the argument

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so that's that's just a side note on political indoctrination it is illegal unlawful to

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politically indoctrinate children but it's happening in our schools and it doesn't seem to

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matter because as i say diversity and equality and inclusion policies are taking precedence

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over good legend good legislation and good law in our country and so the latter one tends to

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to be left aside as the the political policy wonks take control of our institutions

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so the parents are pretty pissed off about the secrecy aspect and they're pissed off about

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if you excuse my french they're annoyed about the promotion of this very dangerous

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mental and physical ideological assault on their children which for many of them

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has resulted in their children deciding that they are transgender it has resulted in their children

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changing their names and their pronouns which may sound innocent to many of you because it

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doesn't involve medical intervention but talking to these parents i can tell you that when a child

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who you've raised as a son or as a daughter lovingly comes home and tells you that they're a boy and

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they want to use a male name the psychological impact not just on the child but on the parents

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and siblings is huge it's basically imposing a sort of civil death of the child on the entire

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family and if the if the parents don't celebrate this if they don't show the child that they're

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enthusiastic about it the child will have learned from the equality diversity experts at school

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that that is so-called transphobia that means that their parents are basically white supremacists

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that means that their parents are basically fascists who want to destroy them and don't

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love them and don't care about them at all and so we were also seeing psychological breakdown

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in family relationships as a result of this idea in schools and then of course we have the children

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that have gone further than that not just taking a pronoun and a name but also engaging with various

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forms of chemical castration attempts to slow down or reverse puberty cross-sex hormones

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puberty blockers as i mentioned chest binders and although there are very few children in this country

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who have gone through a full medical transition through surgeries not not as many at least as the

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united states the amount of children who are messing around with their identities in harm

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harmful ways and often downloading things from the internet without anybody's intervention or

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ability to stop them often signposted to those sources by the schools themselves is is very

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worrying so to conclude my remarks the parents wish to bring a case and a very unusual case

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against a public authority the department for education on the basis that as a as a group of

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litigants whilst their stories are all different on some level on the facts they have something in

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common which is that gender ideology has damaged their families and damaged the relationship they

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have with their children and damaged their children both psychologically and physically

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and they say that the department for education has not only failed to prevent this happening

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which is an omission that we say amounts to a tort in negligence they have actively promoted

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these third sector charity groups by signposting them in their guidance documents by listing them

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as reputable sources of information by stating in their in their guidance that schools must

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discuss gender ideology they don't call it gender ideology but they call it transgenderism or

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whatever they call it so there is a way in which the policies mandate the promotion of this idea

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without any balance or discussion about the other side of the picture so this is a statutory breach

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of the education act 1996 which makes it unlawful to for schools to allow political indoctrination

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and it's also in a way a willful positive act promoting a very harmful ideology that has itself

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resulted in the harms which we say are foreseeable and therefore we're bringing our case

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for negligence a failure to act and also positive promotion of a dangerous ideology and it is our

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hope that we will lodge a claim in the next few months there's a lot of press interest there's a

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lot of teachers who are interested in supporting us we've had a lot of whistleblower teachers who

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can't be named but who are supplying us with information and as I say we have a lot of parents

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who are who are who are grateful to have some sort of channel for airing their grievances but also

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possibly getting the government to listen to these grievances so that active and effective change can

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be enacted in our country to stop this happening which would be absolutely wonderful and I'll just

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conclude with one point about the parents it's interesting that a lot of the children who are

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are vulnerable to this idea of changing their sex are white middle-class children

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I think it's to do with the fact that it's a way for white middle-class children to perhaps have a

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diversity qualification at school that makes them special because they don't have the racial

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they don't have the racialized victimhood they don't have the low-income victimhood so white middle-class

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children in a society that encourages victimhood and suffering as a sort of form of identity

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the transgender option is open to them and so we're seeing a lot of white middle-class children

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who are being harmed by it but the parents who are concerned about it are parents from every single

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walk of life and I've had a lot of religious faith-based community representatives reach out

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from Jewish and Muslim communities obviously also Christians as well but I've also had people from

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you know wealthy private school backgrounds who are educating their children at their own expense for

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you know tens of thousands of pounds a year and I've also had low-income families struggling on

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low incomes whose children are in the state sector so it's worth noting that the response

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that we've had to the launch of our campaign we've had responses from people across the class spectrum

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across the political spectrum from every creed color and religious faith men women fathers and

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mothers so this is really something that speaks to people from very different backgrounds and in that

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I think it can be a good way of highlighting to our current administration whatever color

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its political stripe that this third sector control of our public institutions is being

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watched very carefully by large numbers of people and hopefully that will also create waves outside

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of education as well as people become more and more aware how much control the third sector has

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the civil service for example over the decisions that govern our lives and how the political class

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are relatively powerless in the face of those third sector actors so that's a general sort

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of overview of the issues and the case I hope it wasn't too long and too garbled and that it made

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sense to people and I'm very willing to take questions. Yippee we love questions Anna now

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Stephen's going to be ready for questions and I'll give him one minute to collect his brains

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the interesting thing is every single one of us is an expert on education because we've all been

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edumacated so of course of course everyone has a view about education the one thing that I bring

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to everyone's attention is that as I saw a documentary on the value of each transitioning

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child to Big Pharma and the lifetime value Anna on this documentary is between seven and eight

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million US dollars per transitioning person so this is a wonderful business model this is a great

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income income stream training exercise. I should say that Scott Nugent who is a woman who transitioned

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to be a man in her 20s or early 30s and then de-transitioned was featured in the Matt Walsh

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documentary What is a Woman an incredibly powerful speaker if you ever get the chance to listen to

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Scott Nugent I mean you will be blown away but I think it was Scott Nugent on a podcast that I

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heard state exactly that statistic that you just mentioned and I think that statistic I mean I

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should make a note of it really because all you need to do is say that statistic and you've made

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your case haven't you? Yep all right Stephen, Stephen over to you for the next 15 minutes and

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the rest of you put hands up and you know there's so many questions that I have but I'm always

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patient Stephen Anna you go first. So Anna thank you so much for that brilliant presentation you're

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very very articulate my word were you listening to you so I saw you first being interviewed by

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I don't know what his name is but he was in his maybe early 40s and it was GB News what's the name

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of that guy? Andrew Doyle, Andrew Doyle, Andrew Doyle yes yeah and so I was I was completely

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surprised by how well obviously you're a lawyer but you're extremely articulate you're very

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passionate and you got a great response there was an audience there and they gave you a great

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response at the end and I thought we must listen to you because we must have you on this

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whatever you want to call it this show because actually what's happening in the schools in my

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opinion is happening everywhere else you know this is all part of I don't know what you want to call

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it but a transhumanist agenda as I see it so so they're confusing everybody with propaganda

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about the Ukraine war the Russia Ukraine war the Israel Gaza war now which is seemingly

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replacing the the Russia Ukraine war because Russia's going to win anytime soon and and and

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then you've got the the the Covid nonsense and it is nonsense because I'm a medical doctor

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and none of the measures in inverted commas it took me about six weeks to work out for my own

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family because I had them ranged against me I said this is wrong in January or February 2020 I knew

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straight away and but I couldn't get my family on board and I just was mystified as to why they

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weren't listening and wouldn't listen but of course then I realized they were watching the BBC or

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my wife in particular was watching it so I suggested that she stopped watching the BBC

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but she didn't she doesn't watch it now but it's a bit late now and so anyway and then on top of

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that you have the climate change nonsense so it's all the same stuff you know it's it seems to me

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that it's a cycle you you mentioned this it's this psychological attack on human beings from from my

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point of view as a medical doctor and I think that certainly with the Covid nonsense

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which really did make people fearful I think they're suffering from Stockholm syndrome now

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huge numbers of people in the United Kingdom and around the world are suffering from Stockholm

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syndrome and nobody has actually thought to take this seriously I think it's extremely serious but

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I have a problem convincing other medical doctors that it's um that it's important because they

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don't seem to understand it um well why is that concerning uh you know states of stockholms are

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with like 50 percent of the British population or more in a state of Stockholm syndrome and

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not realizing it well it's hugely important of course because they're in the they're they are

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in the control if you like or in the power of uh entities which they don't even understand

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and they've been driven away from their families and from their friends and they're isolated and

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that's what they want to do they want to isolate us all and so as I said before it's a transhumanist

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agenda as I see it it's an attack on humanity I didn't understand this at the beginning but um

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listening to all the people we've had speaking to us um and forming this view uh and it's very

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difficult to articulate your brilliance at articulating um you know analyzing what you

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are good at and then articulating those complex ideas it's very difficult to do and not everybody

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can do it even if they're very bright so anyway uh I will I really encourage you Anna to really

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nail this and take the damn department of education which doesn't teach these children

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anything in my opinion mental arithmetic for example which I was very good at school they

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don't even teach them their tables because they don't need their tables because they've got

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calculators what what do you think yeah well I think you know you can you can make um the

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these observations can all add up to an overwhelming pattern of learned dependence I mean

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you would think wouldn't you that that as children go through developmental stages they're

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being encouraged to be increasingly independent and there's nothing parents feel happier about

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is I mean healthy parents not not mad parents but I mean healthy parents are happy to see their

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children able to stand on their own two feet and go out into the world and form relationships and

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get jobs and manage their money and have aspirations and you know that's what parents want to see their

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children do so why is education increasingly organized around dependence dependence on on

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medicines dependence on rules and regulations about where to stand what to wear how to be

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what language to use what what what what issues are for Bowdoin today and what you know what you

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must not say you know all of this highly highly regulated micromanagement of children it has

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it has the effect of of increased dependence and medicalization of children is huge it's not just

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the transgender thing you've got all of these schemes now being rolled out across the the UK

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to address the pandemic of mental health mental um unwellness in young people and it's never really

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discussed in any sensible way we don't know what is causing this epidemic of mental health problems

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in young people of course the lockdowns are never mentioned but it's just we're supposed to accept

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that as science gets better and better and people get wealthier and wealthier and we're more and

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more progressive and we know more than we ever did and we're just more and more enlightened and

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we should be so grateful that we live in the 21st century we never allowed to ask why it is then

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that people are getting unhappier and unhappier and and unhealthier and unhealthier all children

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are told is if you do feel unhealthy and unhappy don't look at what you're eating don't get exercise

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don't come offline um don't develop hobbies and interests and skills that make you feel good about

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yourself but just take this medication uh and sign up to this therapy for your for your mental

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health issues and you know it's it's learned dependence they go to the canteen from a very

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young age and they're encouraged to um to swipe a card to pay for their lunches which means that

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they don't really understand how this is being paid for and they run up little debts at school

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which parents have to then manage because the child is not regularly is not learning in any way

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how to manage their own budget if you like and these these sort of i think in some schools now

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they're they're they're working on these um fingerprint scan systems where the child just

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puts their finger or their facial recognition picture to get their lunch i mean it's it's all

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just a form of of teaching children that they don't really have an independent life outside um

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these regulatory apparatus is it also about teaching them not never ever

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uh to take responsibility for anything and of course that's what human beings do to connect

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with other human beings take responsibility and try to but oh no leave that to others uh just think

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of yourself it's so unbelievably evil this in my opinion and i think so i would encourage you as a

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lawyer to i think you've got a very good handle on the whole you know on the truth on the on the

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evil underlying all this nonsense so it looks as though it's random but it's not random um and no

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it's not random it's a culture now you can say cultures are random i don't think they are i mean

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there's a reason why uh the you know late roman imperial culture was decadent um as contrasted

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with earlier manifestations of the roman empire where um you know a militant approach based on um

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you know strength and fighting and military prowess was prevalent it's not random it's um

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these cultural shifts are signs of something structural and deep um and our culture is not

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just randomly in all areas um pushing the idea that human beings should not be independent they

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shouldn't own their own businesses they shouldn't own their own property they shouldn't have savings

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they shouldn't have life plans they shouldn't travel it's not a coincidence that all of these

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things coming together it's because the structural modus operandi by which governance is being planned

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for the future requires that human beings are inculcated in these systems of dependence

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and they don't have autonomy over the transactions that they make and they don't have autonomy over

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the decisions and plans that they have not just for their own lives but for their kids lives

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i mean it's autonomy is really a threat at the moment because and they don't know anything

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when they finished school and so they don't know what the you know you hesitate to ask a 16 year

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old or an 18 year old what the capital of uh greece is you know um because they might not know it's

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athens and then uh but you know with some you you're hesitating to ask if they know the capital of

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france yeah and and you wouldn't find very many who would know how far it was to the sun

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or even the correct order and how far it is to the moon so they don't and they don't know where so

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they hear elon musk and go to other planets you know or is trying to go to other planets and i'm

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thinking to myself what four light years to the next uh solar system well good luck with uh trying

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to cover four light years um to get to the next even elon musk with his massive brain you know

452
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so these people um oh it's a combination of everything so you've got all these celebrities

453
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who are in love with themselves you know who think they're wise as well as as well as beautiful and

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it's just crazy they don't know anything they've got no idea of the complexity and the hugeness

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of the universe and and and and so what on earth are they teaching these children at school because

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they can't write an essay they can't write a letter even um and they can't do mental arithmetic in

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their heads oh no that would be far too dangerous to have people able to work things out in their

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heads you know that's my opinion i'm sorry that this is really well i couldn't work out for a

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while in my head i mean this is i'm not speaking now as a lawyer i'm just speaking as somebody who

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who's tried to get my head around the sort of incongruence between teaching a child on the one

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hand about um transsexualism or transgenderism which involves a kind of desexualization of the

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self you know all the things that we become as sexual beings as we approach adulthood are the

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things that make us our sex you know i mean you know you're a sexual being in a sexed body so for

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girls growing into a sexual identity means embracing femaleness and being comfortable with

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it same for boys they have to be proud of the fact that they are growing and you know developing

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in that you know that their adam's apple is showing and their voice is dropping and these are

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signs that they're becoming men and you know you can tell a child that this is awful or you can tell

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a child that this is wonderful most normal societies have initiation ceremonies for young

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people so that they mark the passage from young child to into an adult male or woman man or woman

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so i was thinking how can you have on the one hand the promotion of this sort of androgynous idea

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that children shouldn't be embracing their own sexed bodies how do you marry that with the then

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very sexually graphic materials that we see also taught so alongside transgenderism is this constant

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promotion of sexual activity and sex acts particularly acts so you don't for all the

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talk of relationships education a lot of what passes for sex talk in schools focuses on specific

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acts and the names for those acts and various things that you need to do to complete these sex

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acts hygienically and successfully so if you're going to have oral sex with somebody you'll want

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to have a dental dam that you can actually make yourself in one lovely lesson plan that i saw to

478
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an unspecified age audience you can make your own dental dam i mean for those of you who don't know

479
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what dental dams are i don't well i just i'm very jealous of you but anyway a dental dam is

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0:52:03 --> 0:52:09
something you wear to protect your yourself when you're giving somebody else oral sex now

481
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that's obviously a it's a kind of covid mask for people having oral sex you know it's to stop

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0:52:16 --> 0:52:21
diseases being transmitted so you're teaching children to have oral sex you're telling them

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the name oral sex so they know what that is they'll understand that oral sex can happen

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between a man and a woman but they'll also be told oral sex can happen between trans people

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and non-trans people it's just all very very weird and then they'll be told about the medical

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implications of these sex acts and what and what they need to do to protect themselves so condoms

487
0:52:42 --> 0:52:50
dental dams contraceptive devices abortion now what's the connection here because i'm like okay

488
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on the one hand you've got this worship of eunuchs which are the most desexualized ideas possible

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androgynous eunuchs i.e transgender people and then on the other hand you've got this pushing

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of sexual arousal sexual stimulation and sexual engagement and body parts and genitals how do these

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0:53:08 --> 0:53:15
two things marry up they seem to come from very different approaches to sex a sort of castration

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complex on the one hand and a very overtly libidinal driven highly charged view of sex on

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the other almost pornographic well i think the reason is and this is a hypothesis so i'm not

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0:53:27 --> 0:53:33
going to say that i can prove it here the academics who are drafting some of this stuff

495
0:53:34 --> 0:53:40
come from particular disciplinary backgrounds many of them will be queer theorists who

496
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have have sort of come to academia from a very specific sociological background as

497
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um people who were probably came out as gay i'm gay myself just for a qualifier so i'm not about

498
0:53:53 --> 0:54:01
to say anything homophobic but who came out as gay as gay maybe in the 80s and 90s and really enjoyed

499
0:54:01 --> 0:54:08
the sort of you know post sexual revolution liberation vibe of the gay scene now if you're

500
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a man and you're gay and you go out and about from the 90s i mean from the 70s onwards it's

501
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well known how promiscuous the gay male scene is how drug-fuelled it is and how um you know

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organized it is around you know very specific kinds of sex acts which people have preferences

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for and that leads me to the final point about the gay male culture which is it's very fetish

504
0:54:33 --> 0:54:40
driven lots of fetishistic predilections and transsexualism as a as a subculture within the

505
0:54:40 --> 0:54:46
gay scene um you know has always been a presence and there are lots of words that people have used

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affectionately or whatever sociologically to categorize that group of men in in sexual kinky

507
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context or gay gay underworld context who dress in women's clothing so i think in the minds of

508
0:55:00 --> 0:55:04
academics who've come to academia from those kinds of backgrounds many of them probably

509
0:55:04 --> 0:55:13
don't have children there is a sexually driven element to the transgender person because it's a

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figure that they associate with the clubs and the underworld where they frequented and come of age

511
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and you know had sexual rites of passage and it's a scene it's a culture it's like punk it's like

512
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gothic you know it's just a cool thing that they they think of as part of a great spectrum of sexual

513
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diversity but of course in reality a 12 year old girl who has a double mastectomy

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0:55:38 --> 0:55:48
um does not really have anything in common with the exhibitionist gay guy who wants to you know

515
0:55:49 --> 0:55:56
either perform in drag outfits or solicit sex from other men dressed as a woman for a kink

516
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for a kink for kink kink reasons however because of the society we now live in we're seeing those

517
0:56:03 --> 0:56:08
two images the two the 12 year old girl who's had a double mastectomy because she thinks she's a boy

518
0:56:08 --> 0:56:15
and the fetishistic sexual provocateur from the gay male underworld those two images have been

519
0:56:15 --> 0:56:23
completely fused under the banner of lgbt plus but anybody who's got a brain cell knows that

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0:56:23 --> 0:56:30
sex education for children should not be driven by a pornographic or fetishistic understanding of sex

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0:56:31 --> 0:56:37
as as as promoted in a very specific kind of niche gay male underworld when you're talking

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about children really if you are to talk about sex at all you're not really going to be talking

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about the sort of predilections and exhibitionist tendencies and drug-fuelled orgiastic extremes

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that characterize a lot of sexual clubbing and i think what you're seeing in some of these materials

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0:56:58 --> 0:57:07
since you asked is an attempt to disguise in respectable pseudoscientific pedagogical

526
0:57:08 --> 0:57:17
hygienic language the excitable culture of the gay male underworld and and there's no other way

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to explain it you know the the references for example in some of the materials to fisting

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0:57:23 --> 0:57:28
which is something that gay men do and nobody else you know why do children need to learn about

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fisting why do children need to be told that fisting is something that may cause pain and if it does

530
0:57:36 --> 0:57:41
then don't feel you have to agree to it with your partner if it's causing you pain well i mean that's

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that's just assuming that the fisting has already caused the pain before the child has had a chance

532
0:57:48 --> 0:57:53
to even consider whether that's something that they should be considering and of course by pain

533
0:57:53 --> 0:58:00
i mean a torn rectum i mean this is this is what we're discussing we're talking about pornographic

534
0:58:00 --> 0:58:06
extremes which often engage sadomasochistic thematics and fantasies that at the end of the

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0:58:06 --> 0:58:12
day it's not my cup of tea but if two adult men want to do i can't i can't say as a lawyer that

536
0:58:12 --> 0:58:17
they have no right to all i'm saying just to be clear are they actually teaching this in in any

537
0:58:17 --> 0:58:25
schools in the uk yes yes they are and what age are the children anything from five to 16

538
0:58:26 --> 0:58:31
i mean i'm five-year-old children in the uk can be taught about fisting there are glossaries which

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are being distributed by um so-called third sector groups which our local education authorities are

540
0:58:38 --> 0:58:43
downloading for schools to say to use these resources and there are no age specifications

541
0:58:43 --> 0:58:48
on those resources it's not that they're being prescribed to five-year-olds but they're not being

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prescribed as not for five-year-olds i've seen videos i've seen videos of um apparently discussing

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0:58:55 --> 0:59:03
female masturbation again no age label on this video which shows a cartoon of a woman clearly

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0:59:03 --> 0:59:10
stimulating herself because of the expression on her face and when the camera pulls back it's a

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it's a girl stroking her dog and that is a cartoon for children about female masturbation and it leaves

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the viewer completely confused as to what they've just witnessed a woman pleasuring itself which a

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child may or may not be capable of processing or a child or a or a girl being pleasured by a dog we

548
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don't know it's definitely ambiguous and i think deliberately so so steven that's steven that's

549
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21 minutes already yes yeah but i just want to so this is um so the thing about uh you mentioned

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about uh they talked about the pain that they might get from fisting that's surely encouraging

551
0:59:53 --> 1:00:02
children at the you know maybe 18 but actually maybe 11 maybe eight maybe five even that

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1:00:02 --> 1:00:10
fisting is normal yeah there are other there are other terms as well which i can which i can list

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1:00:10 --> 1:00:15
and you won't have heard of them and i'll explain what they mean and you'll go oh my god um and i

554
1:00:15 --> 1:00:20
won't i won't i won't torture you or your audience but um there are glossaries of these words

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there are glossaries of these words including words that don't really exist in the english

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language but i've had to i've you see the thing is these third sector groups not only um promote

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ideas but they also make up words you know like cisgender and um qia plus as identities but they

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1:00:40 --> 1:00:47
also um will promote words that mean apparently sexual fetishes such as being aroused when standing

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near somebody in a crowded space there's a word for that begins with f i can't remember it off

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1:00:52 --> 1:00:58
the top of my head the fact the matter is if you stand close to somebody in a public space

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and you get aroused we have very very good laws on sexual harassment in this country

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and actually our current mayor sadiq khan has put all sorts of posters around the um the public

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transportation system in london saying if you stare at somebody it's a sexual offense so how

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schools teaching people to get aroused by standing near total strangers in public i mean it's

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extraordinary yeah so and who was it who was pushing that you know was that sadiq khan

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the mayor of london it's on his watch i don't know who's decide which which i think i think it was

567
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him pushing it and he was wearing it as a badge of honor that little oh well anyway everyone's

568
1:01:42 --> 1:01:50
stephen we're way over time yeah so i'm really exercised by this and so very good that you are

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taking them on i i wish you the best of luck and if we can help you in any way we've got

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1:01:56 --> 1:02:04
contacts all around the world uh we will do uh obviously if you ask parents put parents in touch

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if you if you know of parents who want to talk about because i'd like to see this legal action

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mirrored in other in other jurisdictions so i think that this is an attack on uh

573
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come on enough it's about social bonds breaking social bonds like universe 25 experiments

574
1:02:22 --> 1:02:29
okay okay we've got a string of hands up we've got lots of questions yeah well we have now yes

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because yeah okay all right thank you stephen tom

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okay hang on just one thing i just forgot to say this talking about oral contraceptive i have to

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i have to share with you woody ellen's definition of the most successful oral contraceptive stephen

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just say no anyway it's woody ellen line all right tom okay so i'm a member of this

579
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okay so i'm a member of this the problem chance anyway so so it said i'm not sure

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well um

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go on i'm sorry sorry yeah thanks for the presentation um really interesting um so i'm

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a member of um well actually i just got kicked out of the green party of wisconsin badge of honor

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last thursday but um nonetheless i am a member of the green alliance for sex-based rights and

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they came out of georgia and the entire state of georgia green party was kicked out of the

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1:03:42 --> 1:03:50
federation of all the state green parties because over this uh gender critical issue in other words

586
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they were in favor of women's rights and in the context of the transgender issue

587
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there are two lawyers in this group that i'm in it's a small group maybe 60 members from all over

588
1:04:05 --> 1:04:15
the country massachusetts california texas wisconsin in connecticut anyhow uh one of the

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issues is the librarians what they have to deal with in the grade schools and these two lawyers

590
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were commenting in the last meeting about what a librarian has to deal with you know and it's

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interesting because they have a limited amount of physical space and so they got to get rid of books

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and then they have a budget to buy books and um they it was it was um uh very interesting and

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it wasn't clear cut um but it came down to this issue of you know what kind of parental input

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should there be um there is a budget the parents are paying taxes and uh oh what else oh then then

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they went on to the issue of free speech and how schools manage speakers coming on campus which is

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an entirely different issue but do you have um like an ethical position on say how a library

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you know a grade school should manage that in a fair way i mean i'm not i don't think you should

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necessarily um you know completely sanitize the books but i certainly don't want to the ideology

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to be swayed all one way or the other um thanks thank you do you want me to answer that now or

600
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just take more questions oh no answer as we go answer as we go oh okay yeah i mean i don't i i

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i have to say i don't have that much experience of working with the library issue obviously i'm

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really aware of it um that's it's been an issue here it's been an issue in the u.s. um are you

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are you talking specific if you're talking specifically about books that promote sexual

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you know they're they're sexualized in ways that are considered by parents to be age inappropriate

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because there's also the drag queen story time thing which has been a kind of

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yeah that group it's interesting the two there's two lawyers one ran for governor of ellinois and

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the the the uh this uh gay woman lawyer in california was more tolerant i mean there's

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divisions even within this group she was a little bit more tolerant i couldn't believe it about the

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the drag queens but i would say the general sense in this group is that it's completely

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inappropriate to have you know till titillating um if that makes any sense you know males are

611
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trying to look like females in front of like five-year-olds it's very difficult that's not

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right in my opinion i think that's a consensus of the people in this group it's very it's very

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difficult though to attack it as a lawyer i mean um on its own terms so to say that certain books

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shouldn't be in libraries already puts you into the difficult position of set of you know when

615
1:07:20 --> 1:07:26
you're confronted with the obvious free speech arguments well what makes you the arbiter of what

616
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should or shouldn't be in a library you know you basically start to be seen as someone sensorial

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1:07:31 --> 1:07:36
and the fact of the matter is that you know whether we like it or not there's been a since

618
1:07:36 --> 1:07:42
the whole child approach was introduced in our education systems there's been a um an expansion

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of a new literary industry called the teen the teen novel um and i think it really started in

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the 80s when i was growing up with the work of judy bloom um that you know there were these

621
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little novels for for young girls which would be really cool because they would be about sex and

622
1:08:01 --> 1:08:06
you could you know you would you would you would be reading about people who were 18 and they were

623
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having sex and and and it was exciting because you were 15 or possibly 14 or even 13 so it was that

624
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sort of a loud naughty book but they were very mainstream and she she was seen as doing a public

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service because she was basically doing this relationship and sex education stuff through

626
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the medium of fiction and creating an entire career about it so now if you go into any

627
1:08:28 --> 1:08:36
uh public book shop or public bookstore you'll see um in the fiction areas you'll see huge

628
1:08:36 --> 1:08:44
swathes of books dedicated to teen fiction and so you know we've got a culture now where it's very

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1:08:44 --> 1:08:49
difficult um because the whole child approach has entered into uh popular culture there is a

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1:08:49 --> 1:08:56
whole assumption that films and books will help young people navigate tricky stuff like sex and

631
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also drugs and uh social problems and you can't just walk in as a group of parents or as an adult

632
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and and legally say right this library has to close this book has to go it's very very difficult

633
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to argue especially if the book in question is is not obviously offensive because then you start

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to be seen as if you're a sort of puritanical religious maniac or something like that so I

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think the the answer to it can't be legal shut down the libraries or burn the books in the

636
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libraries because we don't like them because it's a very difficult position and it's antithetical to

637
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the freedom of expression position which we are using a lot in our in our circles to try and

638
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be heard so I think what we have to do is focus on um the undermining of the parental role

639
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because at the end of the day if your child goes to a library and you still have you command

640
1:09:52 --> 1:09:57
influence over your child even if the child's a teenager and and has its own kind of life

641
1:09:57 --> 1:10:01
if they respect their parents they'll be they'll be interested in what their parents have to say

642
1:10:01 --> 1:10:05
and if they're young um and very dependent on their parents then their parents have a lot of

643
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power over what they are exposed to and can can intervene so I think what we should be doing is

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really emphasizing the importance of of the parental role in society and the rights of

645
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parents to know what's going on and where young children are their children are concerned they

646
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have a kind of veto power rather than seeing it as a societal censorship that we should get rid of

647
1:10:27 --> 1:10:32
this book so that we're not corrupted as a society by it I think it's more appropriate for parents to

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feel empowered to go into a library and say you know I don't want you know my child you know being

649
1:10:38 --> 1:10:43
read that book if that's okay with you because I don't think she's old enough to appreciate it

650
1:10:43 --> 1:10:48
and there being a societal appreciation that that is a perfectly valid thing for a parent to say

651
1:10:49 --> 1:10:55
um so I think a lot of what I work with is is parents being ignored by the institutions and

652
1:10:55 --> 1:11:00
things happening to children whilst the parents are at work and the parent doesn't know and then

653
1:11:00 --> 1:11:05
when the parent expresses any concerns they're shut down or marginalized and I think the key

654
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to our movement in this respect has to be building parental confidence and to believe in their legal

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entitlements as parents to have jurisdiction over their children

656
1:11:18 --> 1:11:23
thanks a lot yeah they they didn't believe in banning books it brings up this issue

657
1:11:24 --> 1:11:28
librarians the process of getting rid of books you know selling them and everything

658
1:11:28 --> 1:11:32
it's an interesting issue because they they they have a lot of ethical considerations

659
1:11:32 --> 1:11:40
they okay thanks so much no thank you thank thank thank you tom and uh there's a group in

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america called mama bears and there's in australia there are certainly groups of parents and uh and

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I think all of us can help you spread the legal strategy with these parental groups I can certainly

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do that in australia and all of us you know into this chat if you know of any parent parental

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groups put it in the chat so that then we can share the legal strategies globally so that

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parents can push back so tom thank you for that and we'll check someone might know what

665
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whether mama bears deals with this question and anna I love your answer to tom that says listen

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the librarian can go hey check with your mother whether or check with your parents whether it's

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okay for you to read this book that's a great potential strategy thank you tom jeremy from

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canada as you can see jeremy's from canada

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thank you thank you charles um yeah from canada um I want to thank you and ever so much for your

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presentation um I did go and look at some of the videos of your previous interviews uh and uh to

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get a an idea of where you're coming from it's pretty obvious I guess I wanted to share with you

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a couple of thoughts and some of my own experience um to uh to reiterate what charles was saying

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about mama bears um or to play on that subject I can assure you that as a father of an adopted

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daughter who's now almost 40 um it makes my blood boil too so I think the blood of papa bears can

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get pretty riled up the same and I I would expect that the male any um fathers that are on this call

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would feel the same way um papa bears can do a lot of damage once they get going um and a couple

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so a couple of other topics the education system I'm 75 and uh I did an unusual track for my

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1:14:02 --> 1:14:10
education I uh took seven years off between high school which was 1967 for me and going back to

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1:14:10 --> 1:14:21
university in 1974 what I immediately found out or discovered was that my um my um classmates who

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were seven years my younger as Stephen so well put it they couldn't write a sentence they didn't

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1:14:28 --> 1:14:34
know how to spell paragraph they were functionally illiterate so many of them anyway not all of them

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1:14:34 --> 1:14:41
of course and not only illiterate but innumerate so much so that the university I was going to

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within I think two years of my uh beginning my education there 1976 they had to institute a

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remedial English courses mandatory for all incoming students from high schools or colleges

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1:14:57 --> 1:15:04
so this has been going on for a long time if you happen to have read Alan Bloom's

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Closing of the American Mind it goes back he was a an educator in liberal arts universities that

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relates his experiences with incoming classes in the 70s and 80s

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1:15:24 --> 1:15:32
and basically has the same experiences that I had but much more eloquently put

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1:15:35 --> 1:15:45
my experiences both with my daughter and and the school system were were traumatic

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1:15:45 --> 1:15:55
I must say because um back then 40 years ago right away I was already um aware of some of

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the things that were going on and we variously took our young girl out of the mainstream schools

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1:16:04 --> 1:16:11
we tried a Catholic school they wouldn't have us for a variety of reasons and then uh then a

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private school a private Christian school and that worked a lot better but at that time back

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in the early 90s I came across an author in Canada named William Gardner and he um as a Canadian

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1:16:29 --> 1:16:38
author he was an Olympic Catholic in the 60s as well amongst other books he wrote this one which

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is called The War Against the Family in 1992 and I'll read you a few of the chapter titles

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which gives you an idea what was going on then compulsory miseducation looking after their minds

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1:16:58 --> 1:17:04
looking after their souls moral values and sex and maybe you're familiar with moral values

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1:17:04 --> 1:17:13
clarification which was all the rage back then where schools abruptly stopped teaching any morals

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they were taught they were teaching relativity right looking after their bodies and then the

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solution take it back to schools of course then the femme you couldn't say this today the feminist

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1:17:26 --> 1:17:33
mistake women against the family and a little further down radical homosexuals versus the family

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and in that chapter he talks about fisting this is 1992 wow I've got to get this book

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1:17:40 --> 1:17:50
well it may still be in print it's uh 600 pages that is fascinating it keeps you busy

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1:17:50 --> 1:17:55
so that's it there William Gardner okay thank you very much for that reference I'm going to

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1:17:55 --> 1:18:02
make a note of that thank you you're welcome and thank you yes Jeremy well well spotted back in

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1:18:03 --> 1:18:08
back in 92 it's very subtle isn't it's very clever they're very clever they march through

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1:18:08 --> 1:18:15
the institutions thank you um someone might in fact discover a pdf version of that Jeremy we've

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1:18:15 --> 1:18:21
got clever people on this call who and keep discovering free books you know that were

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1:18:21 --> 1:18:25
published a long time ago so perhaps that the free pdf is available Jeremy

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1:18:25 --> 1:18:27
Jeremy

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Could be yeah very good well well articulated thank you Jeremy Jim

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1:18:40 --> 1:18:44
and Jim is muted we presume there he is he's coming now

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you're still muted Jim

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um thank you um great presentation thanks very much um the biological basis of the transgender

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1:19:01 --> 1:19:09
movement I put in the chat uh some interesting things about Albert Borla Albert Borla the ceo

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1:19:09 --> 1:19:18
of Pfizer is a um is a veterinarian um as physicians each of us studies have we each

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1:19:18 --> 1:19:27
have particular things that we research um Albert Borla's special research interests are melatonin

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1:19:27 --> 1:19:37
and the protection of of um uh fertility okay so taking melatonin may protect fertility his

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1:19:37 --> 1:19:44
particular research was in ram sperm um we've known that melatonin may protect against the covid

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1:19:45 --> 1:19:52
next thing Albert Borla the the uh doctor of veterinary medicine had research in was castrating

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1:19:53 --> 1:20:02
pigs with a vaccine a series of two vaccines was uh more efficient at castrating male pigs than

723
1:20:02 --> 1:20:13
actually cutting off their testicles sorry about that um so uh so that begs the

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1:20:13 --> 1:20:19
question what exactly is the covid vaccine a series in Albert Borla's research a series of

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1:20:19 --> 1:20:29
two vaccines could uh could um decrease fertility uh or to the point of being equivalent of of uh

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1:20:29 --> 1:20:36
physical castration if we look at the ace two receptors on men's testicles um the ace two

727
1:20:36 --> 1:20:43
receptors are actually most prominent uh per square centimeter on men's testicles um and there

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1:20:43 --> 1:20:49
is research that shows even after covid the sarz cov two spike protein and vaccine or virus form

729
1:20:49 --> 1:20:57
by remains bound to testicles and ovaries and gonads with a lot of ace two receptors

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1:20:58 --> 1:21:05
so could this be the um the these could the sarz cov two spike protein be the biological basis

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1:21:05 --> 1:21:12
of the transgender movement if this is a biotera weapon and we've uh we're kind of maybe some

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1:21:12 --> 1:21:19
people are figuring out that this is is the sarz cov two spike protein actually designed to bind to

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1:21:19 --> 1:21:29
certain people certain races and cause uh decreased testosterone abnormal menstrual periods and um

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1:21:29 --> 1:21:36
and decreased fertility and if so could this be an overall if you're going to war usually you

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1:21:36 --> 1:21:44
try to castrate the uh opposition males so does this vaccine actually castrate the opposition males

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1:21:44 --> 1:21:51
the people who bind the ace two um that's uh that that that would mean that the biological basis for

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1:21:51 --> 1:21:58
this massively increasing transgender movement especially if we're if we're mandating that the

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1:21:58 --> 1:22:03
children get exposed to this sarz cov two spike protein could be the basis for the increasing

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1:22:03 --> 1:22:09
transgender um versions the university of miami did a study about people who were exposed to

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1:22:09 --> 1:22:15
covet or bad cases of covet and then had infertility and they noticed that the um the infertility

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1:22:16 --> 1:22:22
um they did testicular biopsies and so showed even after they were over the covet they still

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1:22:22 --> 1:22:31
had the spike protein bound to their uh bound to their testicles so um i'm asking if you if you're

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1:22:31 --> 1:22:36
aware that this sarz cov two spike protein could be the biological basis for this increasing

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1:22:36 --> 1:22:42
transgender movement and then and then uh if you have time i'll ask another question thank you

745
1:22:43 --> 1:22:47
i i haven't i haven't had it explained to me in that way before i mean obviously um

746
1:22:48 --> 1:22:55
you know i've heard people talking about possible impacts on fertility of of the vaccination i don't

747
1:22:55 --> 1:23:01
know enough about that to speak to it but i i hear what you say um in respect of transgenderism there

748
1:23:01 --> 1:23:08
is no doubt that one of the most heinous aspects of it is that it if taken to full um logical

749
1:23:08 --> 1:23:14
conclusion then a child will do things to themselves that will destroy their fertility

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1:23:15 --> 1:23:20
there is definitely an issue around fertility and you'll notice that in all of the discussion

751
1:23:20 --> 1:23:27
around transgenderism very very rarely is fertility mentioned which is extraordinary

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1:23:27 --> 1:23:35
given that sterilization for sterilization is an international crime i mean um you know

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1:23:36 --> 1:23:41
the sterilization of people during world war two and that continued until the 1970s with the roma

754
1:23:42 --> 1:23:47
female population in switzerland and in parts of the united states african american women

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1:23:47 --> 1:23:54
were sterilized it's it's it has a it has in in liberal educated mindset for sterilization should

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1:23:54 --> 1:23:59
have very bad press if you're vaguely educated you should know about it and why it's an international

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1:23:59 --> 1:24:04
um human rights abuse and prohibited under international law but you never really with

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1:24:04 --> 1:24:10
a few exceptions hear people talking about you know the the transgender issue as a war on young

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1:24:10 --> 1:24:15
people's fertility and and and a form of forced sterilization i think it absolutely is that and

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1:24:15 --> 1:24:21
and your comments just um forced me to consider the wider implications of that very interesting

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1:24:22 --> 1:24:27
connection thank you and i would encourage you to actually write to albert borla and ask him about

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1:24:27 --> 1:24:35
his papers on on castrating pigs and since pigs are our closest relatives could could this vaccine

763
1:24:35 --> 1:24:44
actually let's say inadvertently be castrating certain people now understanding that the biological

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1:24:44 --> 1:24:53
warfare weapons treaty convention has been signed by most six eyes you know the six eyes spy network

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1:24:55 --> 1:25:06
united states canada uk australia new zealand and the sixth eye is israel out of those countries the

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1:25:06 --> 1:25:13
only country that has not signed the biological weapons convention is israel so they are the

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1:25:13 --> 1:25:19
only ones who could make such a spike protein that would be racially specific that might

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1:25:20 --> 1:25:27
bind and and cause infertility in other races so just be aware maybe we need to

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1:25:27 --> 1:25:32
respectfully request documentation on whether the sars-cov-2 spike protein

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1:25:32 --> 1:25:37
is a is in fact a weapon and then who created it the only

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1:25:38 --> 1:25:45
uh very modernized country that is not under treaty not to create it

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1:25:46 --> 1:25:52
maybe israel so we may want to talk to albert borla who is who is pioneering their their work in israel

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1:25:53 --> 1:25:59
um and the israeli government and ask them very respectfully if they know the antidote to this

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1:25:59 --> 1:26:03
so that we can stop the uh if this if this sars-cov-2 spike protein actually does

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1:26:03 --> 1:26:11
cause bind to uh the gonads of of certain races if they wouldn't mind sharing with us the antidote

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1:26:11 --> 1:26:16
that has been designed along with this biotera weapon um if somebody has actually designed

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1:26:18 --> 1:26:28
um so uh thank you and then um uh yes um also uh i don't understand why you have to bring race into

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1:26:28 --> 1:26:34
every time you bring this point up i really don't because i don't okay i understand and the and the

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1:26:34 --> 1:26:41
issue is the the the issue is that uh the racial specificity is one of those i mean i'm very i am

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1:26:41 --> 1:26:50
i'm very grateful for this phone call because um we as scientists have to analyze every aspect of

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1:26:50 --> 1:26:57
things and um and that is one of the most taboo you know at first the most taboo topic was actually

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1:26:57 --> 1:27:04
saying that the sars-cov-2 spike protein was not naturally occurring um and now we know that that

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1:27:04 --> 1:27:09
was covered up and it was and it is and it is naturally it is not naturally occurring it was

784
1:27:09 --> 1:27:14
made in the lab now we have to know that's actually because i think that the whole lab

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1:27:14 --> 1:27:20
thing and the gain of function research agenda sorry a narrative which they're pushing could be

786
1:27:20 --> 1:27:28
actually a means of getting us to follow the narrative which is that we're in danger from

787
1:27:28 --> 1:27:35
future deadly viral pandemics which i don't think are possible deadly and pandemic can't exist in

788
1:27:35 --> 1:27:39
the same sentence we were taught that at medical school and i remember except if you and i argue

789
1:27:39 --> 1:27:45
that that is in a naturally occurring something or other that's true unless it's i mean but we we we

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1:27:45 --> 1:27:49
in the military understand that there are child warfare weapons so i'm going to stop and let

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1:27:49 --> 1:27:55
let people thank you a little bit you know it's not my jeff you need to mute thanks jim

792
1:27:56 --> 1:28:01
benjamin hans benjamin braun from switzerland and as you learned at the start of the show

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1:28:03 --> 1:28:07
hello your arms benjamin is an expert on the nord stream pipeline explosion we've covered that

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1:28:07 --> 1:28:14
stephen before i've got a lot to do when we finish this meeting thanks yeah no no back to

795
1:28:14 --> 1:28:21
yeah no thanks for a wonderful presentation and i was trying to take a little bit of a general

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1:28:21 --> 1:28:28
scope but then actually go back to the previous question so what makes me wonder is how can

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such a small group such as you mentioned you know have such a big influence in society and essentially

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1:28:38 --> 1:28:48
tilt the you know tilted i mean the whole education program but as we have seen it's also in in cove

799
1:28:48 --> 1:28:54
it happens now with the wars it happens everywhere with every single issue which we are looking at

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1:28:54 --> 1:29:05
we see that it's a very small subset which has tremendous control suddenly and i think that only

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1:29:05 --> 1:29:12
can happen if there are structures in society which actually enables those groups of who have

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1:29:12 --> 1:29:19
influence actually to to take to take this influence and now specifically i think because

803
1:29:19 --> 1:29:28
there everybody is doctors and we have heard that yeah okay as before and i've heard actually in

804
1:29:28 --> 1:29:36
in the doc mollix podcast because i was presenting there a doctor actually presented the case that

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1:29:36 --> 1:29:48
the overprescription of anti-depressants actually reduces essentially the sexual identity of also

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1:29:48 --> 1:29:56
of you know in a juvenile age and we know that this actually has been become a big issue that

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1:29:56 --> 1:30:01
because of of the life in general you know young people can't live the lives as we heard you know

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1:30:01 --> 1:30:08
which they used to live and now could it be i just try to raise this issue could it be a connection

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1:30:08 --> 1:30:19
with the desire essentially you know that you that you lose the yeah your sexual identity as

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1:30:19 --> 1:30:26
sort of a side effect of prescribed medications and just actually i put it into the chat that's

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1:30:26 --> 1:30:34
just a saying a note there seems to be a tremendous over mortality of zero to 14 year olds at the

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1:30:34 --> 1:30:40
beginning of this year i have no idea where it comes from could you say that again say that last

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1:30:40 --> 1:30:47
again just because i missed one word that you said okay so i put it into the chat there is a

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1:30:47 --> 1:30:54
graphics euro mo mo is the european mortality database and there seems to be a huge increase

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1:30:54 --> 1:31:00
in mortality rates uh knows there are no specifics given it's a general thing

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1:31:01 --> 1:31:08
um at the beginning of this year i just you know and for young as they come from you know

817
1:31:09 --> 1:31:16
and nobody talks about it i mean i just saw it like two days ago like wow you know it's very

818
1:31:16 --> 1:31:22
very significant i mean no covid nothing is at the beginning of this year there's like a huge

819
1:31:22 --> 1:31:29
peak i mean everybody can see it in the chat and it's it's alarming you know hans mandelman did

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1:31:29 --> 1:31:38
you mention an age group um zero to zero to 14 years it's the lowest age group in euro mo mo

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1:31:38 --> 1:31:46
wow so it's it's real and this is for the world this is no it's your more more it's

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1:31:48 --> 1:31:51
it's essentially european countries including uk

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1:31:52 --> 1:32:00
um eu countries including uk and switzerland but not so much actually the link i can put it into

824
1:32:00 --> 1:32:04
it's that's very um well that's very worrying i mean i don't um

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1:32:06 --> 1:32:13
so that's the link to speak with any it's the official it's the official um

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1:32:14 --> 1:32:22
database mortality database how long did the increase last and is it continuing

827
1:32:23 --> 1:32:31
um there's it's there was a big peak um well it is actually it is higher if you if you

828
1:32:31 --> 1:32:41
probably smoothen it out you see that it's higher since 2021 i mean the beginning essentially of the

829
1:32:41 --> 1:32:49
vaccination you know during 2021 it was never really below the baseline you know of the past

830
1:32:49 --> 1:32:57
few years and in the beginning of this year how many times was it increased was it was it twice

831
1:32:57 --> 1:33:04
or three times or oh i mean it's out of i don't know whether they they they plot a two sigma or

832
1:33:04 --> 1:33:11
one sigma interval maybe two sigma it's like double two sigma it's like four five sigma out of range

833
1:33:13 --> 1:33:17
sorry what's five sigma as hans benderman we're not all statistics

834
1:33:17 --> 1:33:23
so okay okay well sigma is the standard deviation something which is five sigma it's like i mean

835
1:33:23 --> 1:33:28
but it would that it would be accident i mean in physics it's a discovery right if something is

836
1:33:28 --> 1:33:34
five sigma you can call it a new particle uh you know the sieben frost young

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1:33:36 --> 1:33:40
so so it is very very very significant

838
1:33:40 --> 1:33:40
right yeah

839
1:33:42 --> 1:33:46
yeah so in if you're not talking about sigma how many times

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1:33:48 --> 1:33:54
what what is the increase is it is it i mean it means that if if you have a random ensemble

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1:33:54 --> 1:34:02
right you have a gaussian distribution and essentially the sigma is where it's um what is

842
1:34:03 --> 1:34:10
one over e right and so that's roughly one third right where distribution decreases to one or so

843
1:34:10 --> 1:34:17
because it goes like e to the minus argument squared it decreases very rapidly right and if

844
1:34:17 --> 1:34:25
you take like e to the minus five squared right e to the minus i mean it's nothing right i mean

845
1:34:25 --> 1:34:30
it just shows it is absolutely highly significant

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1:34:32 --> 1:34:38
and and i just saw it i saw it two days ago when i have no idea what it is

847
1:34:38 --> 1:34:43
yeah hans benderman can you send it to me because i want to need to yeah yeah yeah i send you the

848
1:34:43 --> 1:34:48
link and everything yeah very good by email if you can send it by email thank you yeah yeah sure

849
1:34:49 --> 1:34:58
thanks thank you thank you hans benjamin mark thank you charles uh anna thank you very much for

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1:34:58 --> 1:35:05
a wonderful presentation i'm very sorry that i was very um innocent i didn't know any of those terms

851
1:35:05 --> 1:35:11
nor did my wife who is sitting next to me i'm very sorry i think that's okay that's okay we we

852
1:35:11 --> 1:35:16
learned something i'm not sure that we wanted to learn that but we've learned something

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1:35:18 --> 1:35:20
the local school

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1:35:22 --> 1:35:31
patient parents have been complaining and the official narrative is write a letter to the

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1:35:31 --> 1:35:40
the governor's for complaint um you mentioned that the pay these um uh parents could get in touch

856
1:35:40 --> 1:35:46
with you how what is the best you know the best process for them to get in touch with you

857
1:35:47 --> 1:35:53
well they can email me at my chamber's address which i can pass on to i mean obviously

858
1:35:54 --> 1:36:01
you've got it the organizers have it so um steven has it and charles so you can contact me at my

859
1:36:01 --> 1:36:05
chamber's address uh there's also the bad law project which has its own info i think it's

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1:36:05 --> 1:36:13
info at bad law dot co dot uk but if you go on the bad law website you'll find it find it okay

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1:36:13 --> 1:36:21
and uh how how would you um recommend that i encourage the parents to actually do something

862
1:36:21 --> 1:36:29
because there's a lot of um apathy because they they really just don't trust any of the institutes

863
1:36:30 --> 1:36:36
you know any of the institutions and therefore they're very reluctant to kind of like do anything

864
1:36:36 --> 1:36:43
is there could could i do it on their behalf let's say you know do the collect the names

865
1:36:43 --> 1:36:48
and forward them what would what would work best that would be wonderful if you could i mean it's

866
1:36:48 --> 1:36:55
always better to get a single email with lots of information than uh 10 million different um email

867
1:36:55 --> 1:37:01
correspondences because it gets very easy to overlook people you know after i gave one of my

868
1:37:01 --> 1:37:06
speeches for the launch of the bad education project i was inundated with hundreds of emails

869
1:37:06 --> 1:37:11
that were coming in at various different email addresses and i got completely overwhelmed and

870
1:37:11 --> 1:37:15
i'm sure there are people i've overlooked still that i haven't um that i've missed you know so

871
1:37:15 --> 1:37:22
i'm really i'd love that if somebody could could put you know um people that want to get

872
1:37:22 --> 1:37:25
their contact with their permission obviously their contact details and

873
1:37:26 --> 1:37:31
put it all into one email if you're able to do that are these people um in the same local area

874
1:37:32 --> 1:37:39
yes they are they actually brought it up on a on a local website next door and it was closed down

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1:37:39 --> 1:37:44
and what are what are they specifically concerned about just um not being able to see

876
1:37:45 --> 1:37:52
they wanted to find out what the uh sex education was what the other education was and when they

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1:37:52 --> 1:38:01
were told they weren't allowed to um discuss it see it um there was a lot of um obviously anger

878
1:38:01 --> 1:38:06
but they didn't know what to do with that anger because i think they're being fobbed off by being

879
1:38:06 --> 1:38:11
directed to the governors i mean the first thing they should do is download gillian keegan the

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1:38:11 --> 1:38:18
secretary of state for education's recent letter i think it was published in the telegraph i might

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1:38:18 --> 1:38:25
be wrong about which paper it was mainstream right wing uh newspaper in which she basically says

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1:38:25 --> 1:38:32
in a letter to parents in the nation so it's very strange for i mean i don't know when

883
1:38:33 --> 1:38:39
this started to be the um the way in which government cabinet ministers conduct themselves

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1:38:39 --> 1:38:44
but she's written this letter to parents across the nation saying that she does not accept

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1:38:45 --> 1:38:49
that schools have the right to withhold materials from parents she thinks that's wrong

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1:38:49 --> 1:38:55
so they've got the secretary of state for education put that in black and white only a week ago and um

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1:38:56 --> 1:39:03
rishi sunak has also stated uh notably at the conservative party conference recently

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1:39:03 --> 1:39:09
that a man cannot change sex a woman is an adult human female and parents should know what their

889
1:39:09 --> 1:39:13
children are being taught i mean he said those things so i think they should go back to the

890
1:39:13 --> 1:39:19
school and not and not be fobbed off and say hang on a minute the secretary of state for education

891
1:39:19 --> 1:39:25
and the current prime minister have acknowledged that parents are not to be denied um the right to

892
1:39:25 --> 1:39:31
see materials so you need to have a you you need to sort this out because we want to see it we have

893
1:39:31 --> 1:39:36
a parental right and really put their foot down and then if they really get nowhere they should

894
1:39:36 --> 1:39:41
contact me and we can uh we can discuss a draft letter to go back to the school but i wouldn't go

895
1:39:41 --> 1:39:48
to the governors that's that's just passing the buck they're acting unlawfully thank you very much

896
1:39:49 --> 1:39:54
so if you go to the governor you can control everything but but if you go to individual

897
1:39:54 --> 1:40:01
teachers uh it's a bit like the chief coroner for example we didn't have a chief coroner until the

898
1:40:01 --> 1:40:08
the the david kelly debacle which i was involved in ana um but if you have a chief coroner of course

899
1:40:08 --> 1:40:15
then you get rid of all the individual uh coroners who might go this way or that way

900
1:40:16 --> 1:40:23
on very important issue when it when it comes to david kelly yeah and i mean the the parents that

901
1:40:23 --> 1:40:28
i've worked with they're always fobbed off they're told to go uh to the local authority and then the

902
1:40:28 --> 1:40:31
local authority tells them to write to the department for education the department for

903
1:40:31 --> 1:40:35
education says it's a matter for the school the headmaster so you just get passed around and round

904
1:40:36 --> 1:40:41
so i think groups of parents acting together is powerful it's more powerful than one parent

905
1:40:41 --> 1:40:47
because they can't be just overlooked as a marginal fringe uh troublemaker and they should uh co-sign

906
1:40:47 --> 1:40:52
a joint letter to the headmaster and say that they don't want to be fobbed off they want to see

907
1:40:52 --> 1:40:57
they want to see the materials and they um are citing the prime minister and the secretary of

908
1:40:57 --> 1:41:05
state for education when affirming and asserting their right to do so very good thank you very

909
1:41:05 --> 1:41:12
much thank thank you mark and i point and i was for five years and for all of you i talk about

910
1:41:12 --> 1:41:19
this in my book passionate people produce for five years i was the president of the local primary

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1:41:19 --> 1:41:26
school parents and friends association so this was in the 80s now the point is parents are not

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1:41:26 --> 1:41:32
involved anymore in such associations at schools mark and all of us you know with particularly with

913
1:41:32 --> 1:41:37
our grandchildren some of us are old enough to have grandchildren you know if parents take no

914
1:41:37 --> 1:41:44
interest because they're too busy in what's going on at the school as a group ana you know then

915
1:41:44 --> 1:41:51
then of course each individual parent has no power and that's part of the strategy so so the

916
1:41:51 --> 1:42:00
reformulation of such parents and friends groups in schools functioning is also a crucial strategy

917
1:42:01 --> 1:42:05
i have some questions and on homeschooling which we'll get to after we speak to jeff jeff good to

918
1:42:05 --> 1:42:11
see you haven't seen you for a while yeah thanks charles i've been there absolutely without leave

919
1:42:11 --> 1:42:18
i guess for a little while but um back now so thanks ana for a fascinating talk um it struck

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1:42:18 --> 1:42:24
a chord with you know what you're saying about the um you know the speech being given in schools is

921
1:42:24 --> 1:42:28
something that myself and my partner are really hot on at the moment we've got three kids in our

922
1:42:28 --> 1:42:35
household 12 10 and 10 and um just the talk around you know the dinner table how many times

923
1:42:35 --> 1:42:41
the word trans comes up you know patient and in my childhood we wouldn't even know what that was

924
1:42:41 --> 1:42:51
you know we it didn't exist um and there's a lot of inappropriate age age speak so we've asked now

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1:42:51 --> 1:42:56
to see the course materials for the schools the kids are in and we've got a group of parents that

926
1:42:56 --> 1:43:04
are very vigilant so i think it should it should help us um but i definitely back up what you said

927
1:43:04 --> 1:43:08
that you know being a parent has never been more important to educate your kids at home or

928
1:43:08 --> 1:43:16
re-educate them when they come home from school that day one question i have and it was to pick

929
1:43:16 --> 1:43:22
your brains on consent you mentioned earlier in your talk that that kids um they seem to be given

930
1:43:22 --> 1:43:29
a lot of control or autonomy regarding you know conversion support groups etc and that they don't

931
1:43:29 --> 1:43:37
perhaps need parental input they can consent to a lot of things themselves i'm specifically looking

932
1:43:37 --> 1:43:44
at my 12 year old because it seems that we have the opposite situation with vaccines um i'm finding

933
1:43:45 --> 1:43:53
um because ironically you know my i was in a gp practice today and back in april i lost a court

934
1:43:53 --> 1:43:59
case with my ex-wife she force vaccinated our kids for covid last year and the court sided with her

935
1:43:59 --> 1:44:06
that she can vaccinate according to the nhs schedule so my hands are tied however my son who's 12 was

936
1:44:06 --> 1:44:13
again taken to the gp practice and against his will to be given the flu vaccine he didn't want

937
1:44:13 --> 1:44:21
it he thought he'd have an input and a say um i went down there to you know um not say i'm again

938
1:44:21 --> 1:44:25
gonna fight the vaccination because that's the courts have made that decision but just to make

939
1:44:25 --> 1:44:31
sure that he was consented properly because he was distressed you know he actually tried to run away

940
1:44:31 --> 1:44:37
and was locked in a car being taken there it was horrendous it brought back memories to what he

941
1:44:37 --> 1:44:42
went through before and i tried to engage with the gp and his mom to to mediate because i could

942
1:44:42 --> 1:44:49
see that this was going to be a flashpoint for him and it was but to cut a long story short the gp

943
1:44:49 --> 1:44:53
said we're gonna encourage you know we're gonna support the mum vaccination because that's what

944
1:44:53 --> 1:45:01
the court wanted and completely and said he's not feeling competent and i said okay well i disagree

945
1:45:01 --> 1:45:06
with that he could you know i think he can form an opinion at 12 years old but it was

946
1:45:08 --> 1:45:15
irrespective of that i said look he's in he's in tears he doesn't want this he needs to have some

947
1:45:15 --> 1:45:21
sort of mediation with his mom and a gp i'm happy to sit that one out before this happens so your

948
1:45:21 --> 1:45:27
primary concern as a gp surely is to make sure that he's mentally comfortable with what he's

949
1:45:28 --> 1:45:33
being proposed for him you know calm him down and perhaps let's do that first come back for

950
1:45:33 --> 1:45:39
the vaccination another day rather than to jab today i don't see the emergency to jab with a flu

951
1:45:39 --> 1:45:47
vaccine if he's or nasal vaccine if he's that upset and they spent about 30 minutes to an hour

952
1:45:47 --> 1:45:53
talking to him asking me to not be present so i said okay i don't have cause any problem i won't

953
1:45:53 --> 1:46:00
be present i'll just wait in the waiting room till afterwards and um yeah as far as i know

954
1:46:01 --> 1:46:06
wore him down said he's not able to consent for himself and uh i was just shocked by that

955
1:46:08 --> 1:46:13
but an extreme extremely important intervention that you made with your comments and i'm

956
1:46:13 --> 1:46:19
obviously you know sorry for what you've been going through um but you you do raise really

957
1:46:19 --> 1:46:25
really crucial issues there i mean why are we seeing on the one hand um and i've seen this in

958
1:46:25 --> 1:46:31
the materials the idea that you know sexual consent isn't actually a legal thing i've seen

959
1:46:31 --> 1:46:37
that in many materials where there's no discussion of the actual statutory age of consent for sexual

960
1:46:37 --> 1:46:44
intercourse which if you are not of that age and you have sex with somebody that is statutory rape

961
1:46:44 --> 1:46:50
it's never mentioned any any of these materials the assumption is that sex is something that you

962
1:46:50 --> 1:46:57
enjoy and um it doesn't really matter what age you are so you are told from basically age five

963
1:46:57 --> 1:47:03
upwards where the conversation begins with the discussion about touching that there's good

964
1:47:03 --> 1:47:08
touching and bad touching good touching is touching that you don't mind bad touching is touching that

965
1:47:08 --> 1:47:16
you do mind obviously a five-year-old is therefore replacing the law by deciding what

966
1:47:17 --> 1:47:24
sexual encounters are lawful by themselves based on whether they are able to identify the touching

967
1:47:24 --> 1:47:32
as as as desired or not but of course we have proper criminal laws which it's completely

968
1:47:32 --> 1:47:37
irrelevant how a five-year-old child feels about touching or any other kind of sexual activity

969
1:47:37 --> 1:47:42
these things are governed by legislation not by a five-year-old's what a five-year-old has been

970
1:47:42 --> 1:47:47
taught at school about nice versus not so nice touching the whole thing is ludicrous but the

971
1:47:47 --> 1:47:54
point is that the child's idea about consent is being taught to you know that it's a way in which

972
1:47:54 --> 1:48:00
that the consent actually replaces protections for the child the child is able to consent its

973
1:48:00 --> 1:48:06
way out of protection and the and the and the sole function of this seemingly very liberal approach

974
1:48:06 --> 1:48:12
to consent where all children have complete sovereignty over their own bodies from the age

975
1:48:12 --> 1:48:22
of one upwards the sole function is to erase the parent as the decision maker and place the power

976
1:48:22 --> 1:48:29
over the child in the hands of organizations that are not familial that is the point when it comes

977
1:48:29 --> 1:48:37
to parental say so the child will be taught that their consent is absolutely crucial because it

978
1:48:37 --> 1:48:44
the child's consent is the only thing that can break the parental voice so so what i'm trying

979
1:48:44 --> 1:48:50
to say is that children will be taught on one hand that they are totally free to make decisions

980
1:48:50 --> 1:48:56
over their own bodies where that decision might clash with that of their parents but where the

981
1:48:56 --> 1:49:04
child's decision clashes with that of the state their consent will be completely erased so that

982
1:49:04 --> 1:49:09
that to me would explain why we are seeing this this double teaching where on the one hand you're

983
1:49:09 --> 1:49:15
totally free to have sexual relations at any age irrespective of what your parents say whereas on

984
1:49:15 --> 1:49:20
the other hand you are not free to make decisions as a young person over your vaccinated status

985
1:49:21 --> 1:49:27
because that is what the state wants and so all of the entitlements that a young person is given

986
1:49:27 --> 1:49:34
by the state to be free and autonomous only apply when it's to stop the parents having any say

987
1:49:34 --> 1:49:41
but when it's the state or a private company that is having the say the child is reduced to the same

988
1:49:42 --> 1:49:49
you know dependent non-sovereign non-autonomous individual that the rest of us are so i think

989
1:49:50 --> 1:49:55
i think that that that i that is how i would explain the discrepancy and on gilic competence

990
1:49:56 --> 1:50:03
i would say that when i was at the height of the the whole movement to inject children in schools

991
1:50:05 --> 1:50:10
the schools were distributing to parents literature that had purportedly come from the

992
1:50:10 --> 1:50:17
nhs it was an nhs fact sheet about gilic competence and it explained to parents that children

993
1:50:17 --> 1:50:21
uh have gilic competence which means they can make decisions without their parents

994
1:50:23 --> 1:50:29
having to approve it but that's not what gilic competence means the nhs deliberately

995
1:50:29 --> 1:50:36
misrepresented a legal category that was the invention of the supreme court in the famous

996
1:50:36 --> 1:50:43
supreme court decision in gilic about whether or not a child could consent to using contraception

997
1:50:43 --> 1:50:49
against her mother's her catholic mother's wishes now gilic competence as it was established in the

998
1:50:49 --> 1:50:57
supreme court is um a state of mind that a an adolescent may have to make decisions that are

999
1:50:57 --> 1:51:02
adult decisions even when they're not legally old enough but that has to be decided on a case by

1000
1:51:02 --> 1:51:09
case basis in a court of law on the judgment of a of a of an appointed judge you cannot say as the

1001
1:51:09 --> 1:51:16
nhs said uh children have gilic competence plural doesn't make any sense it's a judgment that is

1002
1:51:16 --> 1:51:22
made on an individual case by case basis by a judge so again this idea that when it comes to parents

1003
1:51:22 --> 1:51:27
all children are gilic competent is a very convenient way for the state to have total

1004
1:51:27 --> 1:51:34
access to children but when it comes to um the state children are not gilic competent and they

1005
1:51:34 --> 1:51:38
can't decide for themselves whether they want the vaccine because it's it's the state ultimately

1006
1:51:38 --> 1:51:44
that decides what happens to children and parents are just an obstacle so so so the logic of these

1007
1:51:44 --> 1:51:49
arguments about when children have rights over their own bodies change depending on on who who

1008
1:51:49 --> 1:51:55
has a stake and an interest in what that child does and it will always fall on the side of the

1009
1:51:55 --> 1:52:01
state over the over the parent in relation to a child and so you can get completely contradictory

1010
1:52:01 --> 1:52:06
outcomes that a child is able to decide when they have sex uh but they can't decide whether or not

1011
1:52:06 --> 1:52:13
they want a vaccine. Anna could I put you in touch with Jeff because Jeff told us a horrendous story

1012
1:52:14 --> 1:52:23
um where his son was isolated with a doctor I think it was Jeff was it um and the and the the

1013
1:52:23 --> 1:52:30
doctor uh did in fact uh succeed in vaccinating his son is that right Jeff I I remember thinking

1014
1:52:30 --> 1:52:36
it was absolutely outrageous what was happening. Yeah that was a story that Jeff just told us

1015
1:52:37 --> 1:52:42
that's precisely what we were doing discussing. Oh yes but that's now I thought it no no no

1016
1:52:43 --> 1:52:52
there's two this is part two it's like it's like Jaws Revenge and um you know it's it's terrible so

1017
1:52:52 --> 1:52:58
the first one was in August 22 and he was isolated with a vaccinator so not a doctor his mom was

1018
1:52:58 --> 1:53:04
present and she's a GP um wow and yeah he was didn't want the COVID vaccine you know we've

1019
1:53:04 --> 1:53:10
been through the pros and cons months before um and he decided he didn't want it was in tears

1020
1:53:10 --> 1:53:14
was telling everyone he didn't consent and they just wore him down so he said I just gave up and

1021
1:53:14 --> 1:53:20
had it in the end he was completely traumatized loss of trust in mom everything like that

1022
1:53:21 --> 1:53:29
and that trauma hasn't been addressed you know um from that so on on the back that first vaccination

1023
1:53:29 --> 1:53:35
cut a long story short I had to file uh you know an injunction for stop dose two because not only

1024
1:53:35 --> 1:53:41
did he have go to that experience within two days he had chest pain breathlessness lethargy which

1025
1:53:41 --> 1:53:46
lasted about six weeks and since then you know Ross Jones has had a look at the medical records

1026
1:53:46 --> 1:53:51
and said in all likelihood you know this kid had myocarditis it just wasn't diagnosed at the time

1027
1:53:51 --> 1:53:56
mum took him to the GP didn't let me know because she's concerned about his pathology breathlessness

1028
1:53:56 --> 1:54:01
but she didn't let me know about his appointment and declining bloods which would have confirmed it

1029
1:54:02 --> 1:54:09
so Ross Jones wrote a strong letter that wasn't allowed to be submitted to the court um and the

1030
1:54:09 --> 1:54:15
court in April this year went with mum to proceed with vaccination even potentially another you know

1031
1:54:15 --> 1:54:23
covid dose two outrageous so yeah could you could he appeal that to Anna and could you help him

1032
1:54:24 --> 1:54:32
the time has kind of passed for that I mean I got a pretty shut down through the court um so you've

1033
1:54:32 --> 1:54:38
got the what sorry Jeff it was a pretty strong shutdown with the court I mean well even more

1034
1:54:38 --> 1:54:47
wrong than even more wrong you know I wasn't sorry go ahead no no you go ahead just just very

1035
1:54:47 --> 1:54:52
brief briefly to summarize what what happened since April so that was the court decision which

1036
1:54:52 --> 1:54:59
I had to respect that that mum could follow the NHS vaccination schedule so I then went to see

1037
1:54:59 --> 1:55:05
the GP because Maxi was extremely anxious whether he'd have the covid dose two on the back of this

1038
1:55:05 --> 1:55:12
decision and the GP you know Dr Harris she was actually lovely she said well Maxi you won't be

1039
1:55:12 --> 1:55:16
vaccinated with anything that you don't want to be you know you're going to have a say in it it's

1040
1:55:16 --> 1:55:22
your body so don't be concerned and that she offered to mediate with mum to have that family

1041
1:55:22 --> 1:55:29
discussion which is needed I was like great this is a more less stressful more peaceful way forward

1042
1:55:30 --> 1:55:35
um mum's been invited into the practice three times and has declined not taken up the offer

1043
1:55:35 --> 1:55:45
to have that conversation and that was in May June now we are October and mum decided this morning

1044
1:55:45 --> 1:55:51
to vaccinate him with the flu vaccine and you know he was extremely stressed because of

1045
1:55:51 --> 1:55:58
what went what happened previously really um he then said to mum if you take me I'm going to run

1046
1:55:58 --> 1:56:05
away so today I had a phone call from them to say I've run away from mum oh yep and then oh she's

1047
1:56:05 --> 1:56:10
coming back she's seen me and then a text message to say she's locked me in the car and is taking me

1048
1:56:10 --> 1:56:16
to the vaccination centre that's very that's very upsetting you know and that was upset is you know

1049
1:56:16 --> 1:56:21
I have a court order and I should be notified of any GP appointments health decisions that are being

1050
1:56:21 --> 1:56:27
made and it's just to support him through it to make sure that his voice is shared he's consented

1051
1:56:27 --> 1:56:35
he's not anxious etc and um yeah so this is this was part two today and uh

1052
1:56:37 --> 1:56:47
well absolutely shocking this isn't it yeah it is it's shocking yep look we can't we can't even

1053
1:56:47 --> 1:56:54
we've got to keep moving we've only got 25 minutes left it's a it's a it's a bad situation and

1054
1:56:54 --> 1:57:00
Jeff email me with a with a summit one page summary if you can of everything you've said

1055
1:57:01 --> 1:57:06
well you can't put everything down but yeah yeah I've written it all down and I'll send it to Anna

1056
1:57:07 --> 1:57:13
great thank you okay all right yeah I do also I won't take any more time Charles because I know

1057
1:57:13 --> 1:57:19
I've spoken a lot but in that email Steve and I'll put a bit about fertility you know in the

1058
1:57:19 --> 1:57:24
vaccine because I've looked into that having had it myself and um that would be interesting for

1059
1:57:24 --> 1:57:29
Anna to read the drop in fertility etc and some chats I've had with with Gary Hawkins about

1060
1:57:29 --> 1:57:37
potentially um we maybe should consider writing a notice of liability to that damned

1061
1:57:38 --> 1:57:44
GP practice oh it has has to be I mean it was just scandalous that they would not put his

1062
1:57:44 --> 1:57:49
well-being first in his mental health and say have the conversation to make him feel

1063
1:57:50 --> 1:57:55
just one last thing this is really upsetting so the doctor who was assuring him the very nice you

1064
1:57:55 --> 1:58:02
said assuring him that this little boy would not be vaccinated against his will was talking to a

1065
1:58:02 --> 1:58:09
little boy who had already been vaccinated against his will yeah yeah and what happened the first

1066
1:58:09 --> 1:58:13
time that the vaccinator said look just come into the room I'm not going to vaccinate you I just want

1067
1:58:13 --> 1:58:17
to talk to you yeah that's the point the point was that she was assuring this little boy

1068
1:58:18 --> 1:58:23
something that is reasonable that he would not be vaccinated against his will did she know that he

1069
1:58:23 --> 1:58:31
had already been vaccinated against his will at the time she said that to him well I don't think

1070
1:58:31 --> 1:58:36
that the nurse today did and that's why I said look you need to have Dr Harris speak to him because

1071
1:58:36 --> 1:58:42
there's a history here and this need we read carefully that's all I'm asking for well you

1072
1:58:42 --> 1:58:48
can't expect a nurse to get involved in that all right come on come on okay I'll send the email

1073
1:58:48 --> 1:58:54
we are yes okay Stephen talk to Jeff commiserations Jeff okay Jeremy your hand went down was that

1074
1:58:54 --> 1:58:59
deliberate or oh you didn't know no it's meant to be up sorry I didn't realize yeah can I carry on

1075
1:58:59 --> 1:59:05
yep I just yeah okay yeah um Anna sorry it's great great listening to you here and Jeff sorry my

1076
1:59:05 --> 1:59:12
heart goes out to you I can't imagine a worse situation and I just wondered a few things with

1077
1:59:12 --> 1:59:19
Anna I just my wife's a doctor I'm a dentist and we cannot understand our colleagues and

1078
1:59:20 --> 1:59:25
the behavior of some of them and I just wondered how many other lawyers are acting as you are

1079
1:59:25 --> 1:59:33
you know obviously with integrity and really following the do no harm and supporting people

1080
1:59:33 --> 1:59:39
in that way because I just find so many of our colleagues aren't questioning anything and I

1081
1:59:39 --> 1:59:45
are you finding that in your in the legal profession I find so many intelligent bright gifted people

1082
1:59:45 --> 1:59:51
just seem to be shut down they don't question anything and even when you approach them and

1083
1:59:51 --> 1:59:57
put facts in front of them and ask their for support for other things they're not there they

1084
1:59:57 --> 2:00:02
cannot engage um and is that what you're seeing as well with other members of your profession

1085
2:00:02 --> 2:00:07
or are your chambers just um sort of target driven and

1086
2:00:09 --> 2:00:16
it's not so much that I see in the legal profession as I see it in all professions I mean

1087
2:00:16 --> 2:00:25
the point is that there are very high stakes now I mean you know we live in a society where a lot

1088
2:00:25 --> 2:00:34
of these issues um they're not they're not simply partisan so you have debates about the vaccination

1089
2:00:35 --> 2:00:40
policies of the government and then you have debates about gender ideology and education

1090
2:00:40 --> 2:00:48
and parental rights we don't have debates anymore we have um we have these positions that are imposed

1091
2:00:49 --> 2:00:55
on us and which are the only position that you can have if you don't want to be horribly ridiculed

1092
2:00:56 --> 2:01:00
so it's not even that you're dismissed you're you're treated as somebody who's actually

1093
2:01:01 --> 2:01:07
potentially a terrorist if you question them and that's the point of using these um

1094
2:01:09 --> 2:01:15
epithets like white supremacist or racist um when people you know try to raise

1095
2:01:16 --> 2:01:24
questions about them so so sorry yes the music is slightly distracting apologies it's just

1096
2:01:24 --> 2:01:29
interfering slightly with my thought process so what I would say is there are high stakes involved

1097
2:01:29 --> 2:01:37
and people um will not only risk being dismissed from their jobs if they publicly ask questions

1098
2:01:37 --> 2:01:43
or take stances on things um but there are whole teams of activists who go around and that's their

1099
2:01:43 --> 2:01:49
sole purpose in life is to find out where people live who've asked questions about things and report

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them to their employer I've been reported twice to my regulatory authority for transphobia

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and uh you know I'm lucky that you know on both occasions my my regulatory authority has taken a

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very civilized view of the fact that I have a right to freedom of expression under the European

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Convention on human rights now that's that's so far so good but I can understand why for lots of

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people it's just not worth it I mean I've invested thousands of pounds and years of training to become

1105
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a barrister and I don't want to lose that because some scruffy activist decides to report me and

1106
2:02:27 --> 2:02:35
say lies about me when actually all I'm doing actually is representing people who instruct me

1107
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which is my legal obligation as a professional or exercising my free speech to talk about issues

1108
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which are of huge concern to large numbers of people and my views are wholly uncontroversial

1109
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I have no controversial views at all so it's a if it's if it's hard for me to state things

1110
2:02:54 --> 2:02:59
which are not controversial which are perfectly legitimate knowing the law as I do and still risk

1111
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losing my professional status I don't think it's because people are stupid or cowardly I think it's

1112
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just people need to have lives and they want to be able to get on with their lives and visit their

1113
2:03:11 --> 2:03:18
children and await the birth of their grandchildren and go on holiday and pay the mortgage and

1114
2:03:18 --> 2:03:23
that you know these things require incomes which have to be got through having a job and you just

1115
2:03:23 --> 2:03:28
why would you throw it all away for some comment made on social media most people aren't prepared

1116
2:03:28 --> 2:03:34
take that risk and I completely understand them and I myself don't use social media at all

1117
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I think it's a horror I think it's a contamination that is ruining everything irrespective of what

1118
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view you have we should all abolish it we should all boycott it yeah I mean it's interesting here

1119
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and I feel exactly the same way because it have to be regarded and what we say you know that's

1120
2:03:51 --> 2:03:56
as interesting your view on the on the legal profession because I just don't get it and then

1121
2:03:57 --> 2:04:01
the the most recent example I've had is just they're trying to stick 5g

1122
2:04:01 --> 2:04:07
mouse up all around us and I was trying to educate people is that your music in the background

1123
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yeah I'm sorry my my son's practicing is practicing his organs I've moved to another room

1124
2:04:13 --> 2:04:19
we've got a church organ that's fine so I've moved into the corner of the kitchen

1125
2:04:20 --> 2:04:26
away from the hallway like you know professional recording oh yeah he's good he's really going

1126
2:04:26 --> 2:04:29
for he's going for some bark at the moment he's really I don't stop him when he gets going it's

1127
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hard yeah yeah it's lovely um yeah so one of my other comments was um I just find it's unbelievable

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you know the 5g stuff's going up at the moment they need that to instigate the authoritarian

1129
2:04:42 --> 2:04:50
regime I think they need and to you know put in place cbd cb cds and oh all the rest of it might

1130
2:04:50 --> 2:04:54
them may be coming you know maybe maybe that's true maybe that's not but people just aren't

1131
2:04:54 --> 2:05:00
interested in the fact that this radiation is really bad for them really bad for their children

1132
2:05:00 --> 2:05:06
I just find it this disconnects with what's going on around them um absolutely bizarre but enough I

1133
2:05:06 --> 2:05:10
don't want to comment they've got Stockholm syndrome no they're yeah I mean one of the

1134
2:05:10 --> 2:05:15
thoughts though of what you're saying was was in the chats Siobhan put something on was whether is

1135
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it is it possible to get the the state the state to recognize the family as uh is it Siobhani posted

1136
2:05:23 --> 2:05:29
this you might want to talk about it the post revision of the um some Irish law which already

1137
2:05:29 --> 2:05:36
has it stated I imagine I imagine this what I understood from Siobhan's comments to me is that

1138
2:05:36 --> 2:05:44
there's an existing provision or clause which acknowledges the the the the work the value that

1139
2:05:44 --> 2:05:51
a female brings to the the country as a whole by staying at home it has GDP value it has social

1140
2:05:51 --> 2:05:56
value it it's good for society that there are women working and performing well in the home

1141
2:05:57 --> 2:06:01
that's what I understood so it when she said there's potentially going to be a referendum on that

1142
2:06:01 --> 2:06:08
provision I imagine this talk of removing that clause because it's probably going to be called

1143
2:06:08 --> 2:06:14
sexist yeah well there's another one this is the Irish constitution number 40 41.1 I don't know

1144
2:06:14 --> 2:06:19
anything about yeah the state recognizes the family is the natural primary fundamental unit group of

1145
2:06:19 --> 2:06:25
society and there's a moral institution uh possessing inalienable and in in in prescribed

1146
2:06:25 --> 2:06:31
inprescribable rights antecedent and superior to all positive law and the state therefore guarantees

1147
2:06:31 --> 2:06:36
protect the family and the constitution and authority as the necessary basis of social order

1148
2:06:36 --> 2:06:41
uh is indispensable to the welfare for the next station nation the state I mean it sounds like

1149
2:06:41 --> 2:06:47
the we need to put that back into or put that in as an inalienable right of the family in UK law I

1150
2:06:47 --> 2:06:52
don't know if it's there or not because the family's under can it clearly it clearly reads

1151
2:06:52 --> 2:06:58
from another era doesn't it yeah all the words that are there moral family nation state already

1152
2:06:58 --> 2:07:05
that we are living in a society which is moving away from the nation state as the jurisdiction

1153
2:07:05 --> 2:07:11
or the legal apparatus in which we are governed is not through nation states any longer it is

1154
2:07:11 --> 2:07:19
through supranational organization yeah families are increasingly being redefined to mean um you

1155
2:07:19 --> 2:07:26
know relationships between individuals and the state or individuals and client organizations

1156
2:07:26 --> 2:07:32
stakeholders if you will and morality I mean morality is you know Marx Marx made it quite

1157
2:07:32 --> 2:07:40
clear in his writings that morality is bourgeois and uh you know it comes it's a sort of it's a

1158
2:07:40 --> 2:07:48
sort of symptom of having property if you own private property in a classical marxist um world

1159
2:07:48 --> 2:07:56
you you have this fake morality where you you're shocked at things because you know you just want

1160
2:07:56 --> 2:08:01
to submit you want the whole world to submit to your way of seeing things so all morality is an

1161
2:08:01 --> 2:08:07
expression of being a bourgeois patriarchal property owning uh parasite and so the marxist

1162
2:08:07 --> 2:08:14
worldview teaches us that when we overthrow the bourgeoisie as an exploitative oppressor class

1163
2:08:14 --> 2:08:19
and establish the proletarian state what we must also do is establish we must abolish religion

1164
2:08:20 --> 2:08:25
and we must abolish morality and the family and if we can't abolish them we must create conditions

1165
2:08:25 --> 2:08:32
wherein they wither away over time and become obsolete so you know this is this is marxism 101

1166
2:08:32 --> 2:08:41
and uh I mean well you know I'm not going to I'm not we we those those are very powerful ideas and

1167
2:08:41 --> 2:08:47
they have been proven to have incredible effectiveness in turning younger generations

1168
2:08:47 --> 2:08:54
against their parents um and you know I I think to this I get a bit tired when people talk about

1169
2:08:54 --> 2:09:02
cultural marxism today but I think um what marx was trying to do was to find or find the key points

1170
2:09:02 --> 2:09:07
at which a society that he disagreed with was vulnerable and he wanted to attack those

1171
2:09:07 --> 2:09:12
vulnerable points because he wanted to attack the whole society and unfortunately the things that

1172
2:09:12 --> 2:09:18
he were attacking he was attacking were not just supportive of bourgeois exploitative capitalist

1173
2:09:18 --> 2:09:23
societies in the 19th century post-industrial revolution they are the things that support all

1174
2:09:23 --> 2:09:30
societies across all time and space and he failed to grasp that powerful distinction that it's not

1175
2:09:30 --> 2:09:35
that uh because there are families in capitalism the family must cause capitalism it's that

1176
2:09:35 --> 2:09:41
capitalism exists in spite of families and families exist in spite of capitalism and

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2:09:41 --> 2:09:48
if you go outside of capitalist societies you seek families they are a constant so um yeah I mean I

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I suppose what I'm saying is that um that clause in that Irish constitution uh is very clearly of

1179
2:09:54 --> 2:09:58
another era and I'm not surprised in the slightest that they're trying to get rid of it because they

1180
2:09:58 --> 2:10:03
want to get rid of all references to local um governance and they want to get all references

1181
2:10:03 --> 2:10:08
to to the to privacy and the right to privacy which is the right to a family life and to the

1182
2:10:08 --> 2:10:14
family itself so it's it's it's very clear to me that yeah that clause will go and that and that

1183
2:10:14 --> 2:10:19
referendum will be engineered completely to be you know as a sexist clause it will have to go and

1184
2:10:19 --> 2:10:23
young people will come out with pink hair and scream you know get rid of the clause get rid of

1185
2:10:23 --> 2:10:28
the clause we are not you know we we don't accept the patriarchy and it'll all be presented as a kind

1186
2:10:28 --> 2:10:33
of me too thing with women's rights and empowerment it's not it's just state overreach again.

1187
2:10:34 --> 2:10:39
All right I just love the clarity of your thought process thanks that's one of the best descriptions

1188
2:10:39 --> 2:10:44
I've heard in years of the state we're in how we get out of it I don't know but we've got to keep

1189
2:10:44 --> 2:10:51
trying. Thanks Jeremy all right um Janet then Stephen we're finishing in 12 minutes and are you

1190
2:10:51 --> 2:10:56
okay for another 12 minutes? Maybe you could Charles's suggestion might be to so that thing

1191
2:10:56 --> 2:11:02
that impressed Jeremy me too and maybe you can edit it out and make a separate video or double

1192
2:11:02 --> 2:11:09
video. You can all check it out and just I'll get a transcript of that piece and that that um

1193
2:11:10 --> 2:11:16
two minutes 280 words there you 140 words a minute everybody when you're speaking at the speed that

1194
2:11:16 --> 2:11:21
I'm speaking and Anna's speaking. Janet then Stephen we're finishing in 12 minutes go Janet.

1195
2:11:22 --> 2:11:27
Okay yeah thank you um what are schools teaching children about paedophilia since paedophilia is

1196
2:11:27 --> 2:11:34
illegal and is there any indication that children are taught that if they consent it is acceptable

1197
2:11:34 --> 2:11:42
to have sexual relations with an adult and is it in effect legalized grooming? Yes yes yes yes yes

1198
2:11:43 --> 2:11:48
yes exactly right so yes as I said that um it's quite it's quite obvious that um children are

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2:11:48 --> 2:11:54
being inculcated in ideas about touching from very young age before they're really able to

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2:11:54 --> 2:11:59
really reasonably or or practically understand anything sexual so you know these guys aren't

1201
2:11:59 --> 2:12:03
stupid they know that they can't go in there and start talking about blowjobs to five-year-olds it

1202
2:12:03 --> 2:12:08
doesn't work like that the materials are quite carefully put together so they do seem age

1203
2:12:08 --> 2:12:13
appropriate and a lot of the stuff that's aimed at five to six-year-olds or six to seven-year-olds

1204
2:12:13 --> 2:12:19
is bright and colorful and talks about nice things like um you know do you have a nose do

1205
2:12:19 --> 2:12:25
you have ears oh that's lovely point to your nose point to your ears um I don't know how that affects

1206
2:12:25 --> 2:12:29
people whose ears are missing or who have you know no noses because obviously we have to take

1207
2:12:29 --> 2:12:33
disabilities into consideration but anyway and then it says does your friend have a nose does

1208
2:12:33 --> 2:12:39
your friend have ears point to your friend's nose uh compare noses aren't they lovely um

1209
2:12:39 --> 2:12:44
um don't you realize how lovely these two noses are even though they're different so we're all

1210
2:12:44 --> 2:12:48
different and everybody has a nose and everybody's nose is different but it's also beautiful so let's

1211
2:12:48 --> 2:12:53
jump up and down and be really excited about everybody's noses you're reading this drivel

1212
2:12:53 --> 2:12:59
and you're thinking what the hell is this all about and then it suddenly says okay ears nose

1213
2:12:59 --> 2:13:07
um knees ankles fingers toes penises and then you have the whole game again right who's who's got a

1214
2:13:08 --> 2:13:13
penis point if you've got a penis yes you've got a penis and you don't have a penis okay but just

1215
2:13:13 --> 2:13:19
to be clear everybody um those of you who've got penises you know that you could be boys or you

1216
2:13:19 --> 2:13:23
could be girls with penises okay so it doesn't make you a boy just because you've got penis

1217
2:13:23 --> 2:13:27
right who doesn't have a penis right she doesn't have a penis that doesn't make her a girl that

1218
2:13:27 --> 2:13:34
makes her a girl or a boy because um you know boys can not have penises this is how it works

1219
2:13:34 --> 2:13:39
and you're doing this from fix five to six with little games about body parts and they throw these

1220
2:13:39 --> 2:13:44
random references into genitalia so that they can start banging on about sexual fluidity

1221
2:13:45 --> 2:13:49
and gender fluidity and once they've done that they start talking about touching and saying

1222
2:13:50 --> 2:13:56
you know what's a nice touch here put your fingers into this bag what can you feel and the bag will

1223
2:13:56 --> 2:14:02
be filled with things like jelly or feathers do you like this feeling do you like the feeling

1224
2:14:02 --> 2:14:07
try this bag what put your fingers in here what do you like about that oh you don't like that okay

1225
2:14:07 --> 2:14:12
well that's that's that's because you didn't like it that that that's what that's that's not nice

1226
2:14:12 --> 2:14:17
is it so that's not nice feeling that's not a nice touching whereas the feathers oh you like that

1227
2:14:17 --> 2:14:24
okay that's nice touching this is how they do it oh my goodness and they yeah and they construct

1228
2:14:24 --> 2:14:29
this idea this nice touching and not nice touching and then once they get to sort of 11 or 12 that

1229
2:14:29 --> 2:14:35
quickly is supplanted by discussions about sexual consent and whether or not you have you know you

1230
2:14:35 --> 2:14:40
have to be in control and you have to draw boundaries but basically from the age of five

1231
2:14:40 --> 2:14:48
children are learning that if they like something it isn't technically a problem and now that sounds

1232
2:14:48 --> 2:14:53
fine and there are very few tired parents who hold down two jobs who've a got the chance to see this

1233
2:14:53 --> 2:14:59
material and b have a chance to complain about it but i could quite understand why a busy parent

1234
2:14:59 --> 2:15:05
with two jobs looks at it very quickly and says well what's wrong with saying you know you've got

1235
2:15:05 --> 2:15:10
to be okay with things you've got to draw boundaries at the end of the day isn't that going to protect

1236
2:15:10 --> 2:15:15
children against predators well i i don't see it that way i think that children can't consent to

1237
2:15:15 --> 2:15:20
touching nice or not nice and the children shouldn't be badly well asked how they feel about

1238
2:15:20 --> 2:15:27
being touched adults know damn well who they can touch and who they can't and if an adult doesn't

1239
2:15:27 --> 2:15:33
behave themselves appropriately with young people then that adult goes to prison because it's a

1240
2:15:33 --> 2:15:38
criminal offense and yes you're right janet any material that inculcates this idea that the sexual

1241
2:15:38 --> 2:15:46
statutory age below which sexual contact is rape any any material which suggests otherwise

1242
2:15:46 --> 2:15:51
is grooming and i think that's a case waiting to happen and i hope i can be part of it although

1243
2:15:51 --> 2:15:56
not a criminal lawyer so you know what i think hang on hang on hang on

1244
2:16:01 --> 2:16:07
stephen stop thank you janet we are stopping in seven minutes hard and you've been here

1245
2:16:08 --> 2:16:15
my voice is going plus and it's got to go to bed and so stephen last couple of questions to you

1246
2:16:15 --> 2:16:22
and then we're finishing so so ana listening to you so talking about the noses and the ears and

1247
2:16:22 --> 2:16:33
all the nonsense ankles and and then the penis um uh this is grooming by confusion right it's it's

1248
2:16:33 --> 2:16:38
deliberate in my opinion they know exactly what they're doing it needs to be called out

1249
2:16:38 --> 2:16:44
and yeah i don't know what the what is the best way to to call it out it's just ridiculous

1250
2:16:45 --> 2:16:52
and the fact that the information commissioner goes along with it and deprives parents uh oh that's

1251
2:16:52 --> 2:16:57
outrageous too the information commissioner i've had dealings with the information commissioner

1252
2:16:57 --> 2:17:05
it's just a just a a stop you know it's there and you think you can get information but guess what

1253
2:17:05 --> 2:17:13
the information commission is always on the side of the state yeah and the people that run it are

1254
2:17:13 --> 2:17:18
not necessarily of the jurisdiction i mean i believe the the one of the individuals whose

1255
2:17:18 --> 2:17:26
senior decision sort of high up senior position in the ico is is just cinder a herm's ex um advisor

1256
2:17:26 --> 2:17:32
on something or another um so you know he's these are international operators

1257
2:17:34 --> 2:17:40
yeah so it seems to me that um this is this is grooming for pedophilia in particular

1258
2:17:40 --> 2:17:45
because actually you've got statutory rape as you point out but what they're trying to say to the

1259
2:17:45 --> 2:17:52
children is oh you can you know you can you can like things you know and if you like it then you

1260
2:17:52 --> 2:17:57
can allow it that's the message i think that the children would take away i think it's very easy to

1261
2:17:57 --> 2:18:01
get sometimes a little swept and i think it's depressing and i don't want to encourage a

1262
2:18:01 --> 2:18:09
depressing feeling that people have of this absolutely hideous evil um treatment of children

1263
2:18:09 --> 2:18:13
treatment of children who are so vulnerable and and to exploit them in such horrible ways

1264
2:18:13 --> 2:18:21
it's very easy to sort of feel um that there's this kind of visceral evil demonic force that is

1265
2:18:21 --> 2:18:28
uh all around us if you like but i would prefer to put it like this if you if you how many people in

1266
2:18:28 --> 2:18:36
the world are oil um experts in oil extraction very very few if you compare the whole of the

1267
2:18:36 --> 2:18:41
population of the earth with the amount of people who are experts in oil extraction

1268
2:18:41 --> 2:18:46
you're talking about an absolutely tiny fragment of the population and yet if oil is discovered

1269
2:18:47 --> 2:18:54
in some place some deserted place where a few people live um the oil rigs will be built the

1270
2:18:54 --> 2:18:59
companies will come to invest in the oil there'll be a whole infrastructure that is organized around

1271
2:18:59 --> 2:19:05
the oil rigs there'll be prostitution there'll be drugs there'll be um shops and bars opening up

1272
2:19:06 --> 2:19:12
houses will be built as as people come to the place to to work in the oil industry and the

1273
2:19:12 --> 2:19:17
industries that it supports and before you know where you are you have this huge flourishing

1274
2:19:17 --> 2:19:23
infrastructure that derives from this one fact that oil was discovered in this place and it will

1275
2:19:23 --> 2:19:31
create huge chaos in that area formerly sleepy um and and and provincial where everybody knew each

1276
2:19:31 --> 2:19:38
other it's just transformed into a wild west town of of sex and and and promiscuity and um

1277
2:19:38 --> 2:19:44
and wild living and um a corrupt financial corruption and and and i'd like us to think

1278
2:19:44 --> 2:19:51
a little bit about our situation in that way it's not that there is this um hideously efficient and

1279
2:19:51 --> 2:20:01
demonic uh enemy that is so organized it's that um there are people who have a lot to gain from

1280
2:20:01 --> 2:20:08
the idea that human beings have no defenses if humans have no defenses they can be uh they can

1281
2:20:08 --> 2:20:16
be um exploited to all sorts of gains and so lots of different actors with lots of different agendas

1282
2:20:16 --> 2:20:23
are united in the idea that what's important is to break down the protections that surround

1283
2:20:23 --> 2:20:29
individuals um that's why humans have to be alone as much as possible because they are protected

1284
2:20:29 --> 2:20:34
when they are with others they are not encouraged to form lasting and meaningful relationships

1285
2:20:34 --> 2:20:40
they're not encouraged to look after their health they're not encouraged to um live you know a life

1286
2:20:40 --> 2:20:45
that is meaningful and their children are even more targeted because children are naturally

1287
2:20:45 --> 2:20:51
defenseless the family is is criticized because the family is a protective thing and it creates

1288
2:20:51 --> 2:20:56
protections for people young and old especially the old actually uh so so what we're seeing is a

1289
2:20:57 --> 2:21:02
kind of all-out war like the wild west wherever gold and oil are discovered and people rush

1290
2:21:02 --> 2:21:06
to to be the first to capitalize on it that's what we're seeing we're seeing a rush for the

1291
2:21:06 --> 2:21:13
human being as human beings are left more and more defenseless because there are less and less social

1292
2:21:13 --> 2:21:17
provisions in place that protect them whether they're young middle-aged or elderly all of these

1293
2:21:17 --> 2:21:24
actors governments companies uh profiteers sexual perverts they're all cashing in on the utter

1294
2:21:24 --> 2:21:31
defenselessness of the human person so uh it don't focus on the evil of this one enemy that's

1295
2:21:31 --> 2:21:39
behind the curtain just treat uh human profiteering as a multifaceted phenomenon and realize that the

1296
2:21:39 --> 2:21:46
way to deal with it is to protect protect protect we must all focus on building protections that

1297
2:21:46 --> 2:21:54
make us strong and robust and um and supported uh that is what we must do and these these these

1298
2:21:54 --> 2:21:59
these people hovering around trying to make a buck out of our flesh and the flesh of our children

1299
2:21:59 --> 2:22:05
they'll soon bugger off once they realize um that they are dealing with an empowered and confident

1300
2:22:05 --> 2:22:12
and protected species and so we must focus on the positive and think about how do we stand

1301
2:22:13 --> 2:22:18
protected in the world and how are we to be emboldened and empowered and confident and healthy

1302
2:22:18 --> 2:22:23
and brave and you know all of these things and teach our children the same don't focus

1303
2:22:23 --> 2:22:29
on some wretched you know minor attracted person who's standing at the in the telephone box at the

1304
2:22:29 --> 2:22:35
bottom of your street total waste of time focus on you know the protections that make your home

1305
2:22:35 --> 2:22:41
a happy one and the relationships within it strong that's my advice to close beautiful

1306
2:22:43 --> 2:22:49
difficult to come on steven it's very difficult to do that no no that's it we're stopping it's

1307
2:22:49 --> 2:22:54
two and a half hours that was a beautiful closing statement steven let's just leave it there

1308
2:22:54 --> 2:22:59
because we could go for another two hours without difficulty but then a beautiful closing statement

1309
2:22:59 --> 2:23:05
i'm very so i'll summarize it down in my way they're exploiting the predilection for cults

1310
2:23:05 --> 2:23:12
and human vulnerability good thank you steven that's true all right anna thank you so much

1311
2:23:12 --> 2:23:19
big round of applause for anna thank you for your contribution we need your legal cases so what we

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need is to share amongst people anyone who wants the articulation of the cases being run in the

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uk to run it in your own jurisdiction please send me an email and i'll be in touch sevin and i will

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be in touch with anna that's very great that's very appreciated thank you very much both of you

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and thank you for the kind invitation and for all your fascinating questions and insights

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wonderful anna wonderful thank you anna thanks everybody so much thank you great job good night

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good night good night bye bye bye