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So Alec, you ready for me to get this show on the road with a comment or two?

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Yeah, that's fine.

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Just for everyone's awareness, I have about an hour and a half total today, so with questions

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and all.

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Okay, great.

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And do you want to share your screen?

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Yes, I'll definitely be sharing my screen during this.

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Hang on one second.

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And I'll make you a co-host.

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Thank you Alec for jumping in at the last minute.

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That was my fault that I left it late again.

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But actually, I noticed we often have our best guests when, like the last guest who's

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here Hans Benjamin, when I book it, I leave it till late.

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Well, it's no good because it's causing me great grief, Stephen, so it's a problem.

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Anyway, everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and welcome

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to today's discussion.

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This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost during the darkest days of the COVID scam

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responses with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.

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Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower

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and activist.

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His medical specialty is radiology.

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I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.

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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur.

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And my jacket is red because red is the color of passion.

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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago.

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And over the last 11 or 12 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies

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for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.

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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.

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We comprise lots of professions, including doctors, lawyers, homeopaths, journalists,

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scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers and troublemakers.

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And we're from all around the world.

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Many of us thought that vaccines were OK.

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Now, many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers.

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If this is your first time here, welcome.

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And feel free to introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from.

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If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio or TV show or you've written

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a book, put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you.

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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War Three and that there are various

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battle lines as part of this war.

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Some of us believe we are in a continuation of World War Two.

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Most of us understand the development of science and the science is never settled.

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This meeting runs for two and a half hours, after which, for those with the time, Tom

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Rodman runs a video telegram meeting.

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Tom puts the links into the chat if you can join.

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We will listen to Alec Zeck, our guest presenter, for as long as Alec wishes to speak.

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And then we have Q&A. Alec has said he can't he can be here for an hour and a half.

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So we'll have to entertain ourselves after that time.

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Stephen Frost asks, by a long established tradition, ask the first questions.

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There's no censorship.

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It's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating.

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Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms as Judge

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Doughty in the US in a lengthy judgment, again, applied and with wonderful resources.

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I'll put the link to his judgment into the chat.

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If you're offended by anything, be offended.

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We're genuinely not interested.

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We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another.

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We come with an attitude and perspective on this Fourth of July, with an attitude and

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perspective of love, not fear.

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Fear is the opposite of love.

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Fear squashes you.

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Love, on the other hand, expands you.

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If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will help people put the

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details into the chat, the meeting is recorded and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel.

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And now welcome Alec Zeck, our guest presenter, whom we thank for giving us your time, wisdom

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and insights. And thank you, Stephen Frost, again, for creating this group and for organizing

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Alec to be with us today.

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Alec, over to you.

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All right. It's good to be back again.

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I think I'll go ahead and pat myself on the back.

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I have the third most watched medical doctors for COVID ethics presentation, according to

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your Rumble channel, at least Charles.

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So pat myself on the back for that.

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And I'm not going to rehash a lot of the things that I covered during that presentation today.

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If you haven't seen that presentation, I highly recommend checking it out.

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But with that, what I'm here to talk about today is a project that I've been working

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on since around the time that I last spoke with you all in December, I believe it was

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of last year.

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And that project is called The End of COVID.

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So I'm going to share in the chat the website for the project.

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It's the just the end of covid.com.

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And I'm going to play a brief trailer to give you a sense of what The End of COVID is about.

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You've definitely seen this show before.

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Can everyone hear that?

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Let me restart it.

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You've definitely seen this show before.

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It's been on air since TVs were in black and white, since Walter Cronkite was reporting

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on polio and Ronald Reagan was addressing the AIDS crisis.

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For decades, this show has been rerun, rebooted and recast with a new virus starring in the

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Every time the plot starts with a pathogen and the danger of infectious disease, there's

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panic, PCR tests and face masks, and at the end, salvation in the form of vaccines.

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simply the latest spinoff.

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The good news is it's the last one.

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Introducing The End of COVID, an online education to end every pandemic.

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After this, we can all turn off the broadcast.

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Finally, the show is over.

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OK, so with that, the purpose of The End of COVID is to properly educate the freedom

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movement on exactly what has happened over the last three and a half years and beyond

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so that we can ensure none of this nonsense ever happens again.

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Because this, just as the trailer said, is a story.

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Let me switch cameras real quick.

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This is a story that has been repeated over and over and over again for the last few decades,

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if not centuries, and it will continue into the future unless men and women are properly

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informed on exactly what happened and exactly what the playbook is for what I've been calling

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the pandemic industrial complex.

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I cannot emphasize enough the importance of understanding the material that we present

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during The End of COVID.

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Now I'm going to share my screen and show you all the website.

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And that's just the trailer that I just showed you.

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But most importantly, I want to show you the program to give you an indication of some

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of the topics that are covered within The End of COVID.

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It consists of over 90 presentations, interviews, roundtable discussions, documentary films,

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what happened over the last three and a half years and beyond.

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And of course, the position that we're coming from with this, which I'll show you here,

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the first two modules focus heavily on the foundational so-called science of virology.

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35 to 40 minutes and I covered quite a bit of detail in that presentation.

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But we expand upon that extensively during the first two modules, answering really all

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what about this, what about that questions that inevitably arise as we are sorting through

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the cognitive dissonance surrounding realizing that there's no proof that SARS-CoV-2 exists

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or causes any sort of disease.

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that disease is passed via the fluids of a sick person.

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So as an example, that session titled the proof of contagion, Jacob Diaz and Mike Stone

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go into great detail on the various studies over the years up until roughly the 1950s

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when they sort of stopped doing them, attempting to prove that diseases pass via the fluids

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of a sick person and every single one of them were completely unsuccessful.

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as proof of pathogenicity of so-called viruses or proof that disease is passed via the fluids

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of a sick person and show how pseudoscientific those experiments are and how they're riddled

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with several unproven presuppositions surrounding disease.

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it's not just me saying this as you can see, we feature over 95 speakers

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scientists, doctors of various types, independent researchers, etc.

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to really give people the truth on what happened.

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several other details on what occurred during the COVID charade going into the mortality data,

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going into comparing health measures across the world, talking about this presentation

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from Meredith Miller, talking about the state of captivity in the sort of Stockholm syndrome

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that occurred over the last three and a half years is really incredible.

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So it's just context upon context upon context upon context to really give people a full picture

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of exactly what happened over the last three and a half years and beyond.

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hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, all of those things.

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where we feature three different perspectives on what's going on with the technology inside

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these shots, what's their intended use, etc. And then we move on to an analysis of the,

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I would say more objective than VAERS, although Albert Benavidez, who is on this call with us,

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and also Dr. Cowan, thanks both of you for being here, are featured during the end of COVID.

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And Albert's presentation that he gives on the VAERS data is really incredible.

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which they're sort of trying to shed negative light on it and saying it's inaccurate and

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things like this. So in this session, the three military whistleblowers from the DMED data

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or give a presentation on the DMED data showing that there's clear proof of harm,

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or at least an indication of harm with respect to the COVID products. And then we move on to some

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other interesting topics that are pertinent to what's gone on. And then we move on to

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discussing sort of in a more broad sense, the pharmaceutical industry and its corruption and

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vaccines at large. This session, number 40, actually features Jody Meschek, who was shamed

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roughly 14 years ago by her pediatrician to get her son caught up on vaccines. He received nine

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in one sitting and then immediately regressed into autism. And so the point in showing that

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is showing that this is not a new phenomenon. Vaccine injury and vaccine related death

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are not, is not a new phenomenon at all. But this session ends very powerfully because

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Jody actually recovered her son from his autism diagnosis. And then we move on into discussing

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several things with respect to the pharmaceutical industry. And this session, session number 42,

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is a documentary by Roman Vistrionic, the co-author of Dissolving Illusions. And this is the world

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premiere of his documentary that he's created sort of based off the book called Dissolving the

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Vaccine Illusion. It's a really incredible feature documentary. And then we move on to discussing

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the germ theory at large. And in a minute, I'm going to play another 12 minute video that I think

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is with respect to health, the most important piece of content. I'll give you guys an early preview.

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The most important piece of content for the end of COVID to help people understand

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what really makes them ill and what health actually looks like and how brilliant their

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body is. So covering a lot of the common questions that come up with respect to the germ theory,

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covering a lot of things about bacteria, the role of fungi, mold, parasites, etc.

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Then this is our shortest module, who's directing the show, because of course it is important to

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cover some of the agenda that's at play. But more important than that is covering solutions. So this

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whole module, Rewriting the Script the Way Forward, focuses on common law based and

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voluntarist based solutions for men and women to ensure this nonsense never happens again,

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to educate men and women on what their rights actually are, where freedom comes from,

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and their relation to the men and women in government who are in positions of so-called

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authority. And we've partnered with this organization called the Sovereign's Way,

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who has a fantastic course called Law for Mankind. So this session right here, session number 66,

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is called Law for Mankind in Action, where we interview people who have taken their full course

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and have actually used notices of liability and notices of conditional acceptance and things like

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this to hold other men and women accountable who have committed trespasses against them.

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And throughout the end of COVID, at the beginning of each module, there will be many lessons

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from the Sovereign's Way, educating men and women on their rights. So then from there,

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after we sort of discuss solutions with respect to freedom, we move into two modules devoted

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on discussing a paradigm of health after we've dissolved the false germ theory nonsense.

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And these last two modules are really, really exciting. I'm really excited for people to

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watch and digest this after they've sort of just had their mind blown and have gone through an

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intense unlearning process. So I know we saved questions for the end. So from there, I think it's

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best for me to play what I think is the most important piece of health-related content for

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the end of COVID. It is an incredible, incredible, incredible video. And I'm excited to show it to

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you all. So I'm going to pull this up on screen. And just so that the question that's raging in my

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mind. So Alec, is this now available for us to get to? Or?

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Yeah, sorry. Okay. I should have been clear on that. It launches on July 11th. It launches on

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July 11th for free. It is free for 22 days. After that, you have to purchase it for a minimum

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donation of $77. Thank you. Of course, we wanted to-

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That was the only question? Okay. Thank you. Beautiful.

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Yep. Yeah. So July 11th, a week from today, it will launch. Yep. And again, I guess before I get

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to the video, the intention behind this is like, yes, of course, the authorities have announced

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that COVID is over, right? That's what they've announced. But the reality is this was all a big

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show. It never began in the first place. There was no proof of any physical material threat to begin

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with. And it was all a, for lack of a better term, psychological operation. And ultimately, this show

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will continue to repeat again and again ad infinitum, unless we understand the playbook

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that they use for this show. And we start understanding how brilliant our bodies are.

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person. And they weaponize that unproven idea to gain control over us and to actually sicken us

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for profit. And we sort of take, well, most of us that are featured during the end of COVID,

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sort of take the position that the gain of function narrative is a disempowering and also

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unproven narrative to latch onto with respect to health. Let me actually pull this up one more

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time, because I want to discuss one more session that I believe is extremely important for people

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to watch during the end of COVID. So in module number two, the narrative act two, we have a

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session titled the gain of function narrative featuring Drs. Mark and Dr. Sam Bailey, or Drs.

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Mark and Sam Bailey rather. And that session is extremely important because Mark and Sam go into

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great detail on the gain of function experiments, showing that they are all based on unproven ideas

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about health and they're riddled with assumptions. Now, that's not to say that they may not,

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of course, the questions come up like, okay, well, what are they doing in these labs? What

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are they actually creating? Are they just tricking themselves, et cetera, et cetera?

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All of that is also answered during the gain of function narrative session for the end of COVID.

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And with them, with the powers that shouldn't be or the powers that actually aren't, but that's a

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conversation for another time that we also actually covered during the end of COVID with

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respect to the illusion of authority. But the point is those who are pushing this narrative

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have pushed the whole COVID charade upon us, will continue this nonsense into the future.

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And if we're latching onto false ideas surrounding the existence and pathogenicity of viruses,

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it actually allows this nonsense to continue into the future. So again, it's vitally important

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that we get to the root of what's really going on and what's really gone on these last three

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and a half years. So, okay, now I'm going to move on to the video that is the most important

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piece of content that we featured during the end of COVID. Okay. Let's make sure everyone can hear

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this. Yep, we can hear it. What if my body is brilliant?

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If the following questions inspire curiosity, please share this video with others and ask them

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to join you on your journey of discovery. What if my body is brilliant and everything it does is

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part of a strategy to survive and thrive? What if every incomprehensibly intricate process my body

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attempts is simply its best path forward given whatever resources and roadblocks are present at

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the moment? Given that billions of my cells purposefully die each day to brilliantly allow

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for constant growth and adaptation and physical injuries, stress and exposure to toxins result in

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additional cellular death, where does all that waste go if I'm not removing it as quickly as

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I'm producing it? What happens inside my body when it holds too much waste for longer than it should?

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Does this stagnant swamp of waste damage neighboring healthy tissue producing a snowball

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effect of more and more cellular death as waste continues to pile up? What strategies might my

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body use to get out of this vicious cycle? What if my body recognizes only natural substances

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and gets confused by synthetic or highly processed things commonly consumed and absorbed,

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such as artificial flavors and colors, vegetable and seed oils and microplastics? How does my

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body deal with these substances when they too are part of the swamp? Given that bacteria in my gut

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are critically important to the process of breaking down the dead cells of food that I consume

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and bacteria have been discovered throughout all parts of a healthy human body, might bacteria also

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be helpful in breaking down my own dead cell waste as well? What if the concept of good bacteria and

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bad bacteria is fundamentally wrong? What if all bacteria are simply organisms designed to do one

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job, eat dead tissue, breaking it into smaller parts which can more readily be eliminated and

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returned to the earth as part of the circle of life? Given that bacteria produce their own waste

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in the process of metabolizing dead cells, what if bacteria are only problematic for my body when

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they produce too much waste as a result of being given a buffet of dead substances to consume?

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What if bacteria and other microbes are the convenient scapegoat for the true underlying

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problem? Excessive cell death as caused by a variety of factors. Metaphorically, what if bacteria

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don't cause the fire but instead proliferate as nature's attempt to put the fire out?

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What strategies might my body use to remove the combination of dead cell debris, microbial waste,

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and synthetic substances if I'm burdened with too many of them all at once? What if I'm not

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adequately hydrating and my bowel movements are infrequent? What if I'm not exercising enough to

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sweat out wastes? What are the next steps my brilliant body might take to clean the swamp?

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What if diarrhea and vomiting are strategies my body uses to remove wastes? What if excessive

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phlegm and a runny nose is another? What if the symptoms we commonly refer to as being

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quote sick are actually just the necessary steps of healing? What if taking medications designed

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to end the symptoms of sickness actually prevents my body from healing? What if antibiotics kill my

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bacteria which stops them from breaking down unwanted substances which in turn terminates

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my natural cleansing process? If my body is unable to remove excess waste via these albeit

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unpleasant symptoms, does it have no choice but to store them deeper? If symptoms aren't the

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problem but instead are the solution to something which previously occurred, what if all of modern

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medicine's efforts are misguided? What if the dramatic increase in chronic ailments over the

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last century is at least partially due to advancements in suppressing short-term symptoms?

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If my body is perpetually pushing waste deeper, am I simply trading acute diseases for chronic

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ones creating more severe outcomes as I kick the proverbial can further down the road?

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What if the concept of specific diseases is wrong? What if the root cause of all disease is the same

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but the symptoms are different depending on an impossibly nuanced history of the individual?

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Does this explain how positive results have been observed when treating many types of supposedly

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distinct diseases with simple water fasting protocols? What if the cure for every disease

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is simply to remove excess waste and any other impediments allowing our brilliant bodies to

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heal naturally? What if that takes drastically longer for some people than others depending on

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their unique history and lifestyle habits? With so many variables, how could this idea ever be

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proven or disproven via clinical trials? What if my mind is the most powerful part of my body

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and yet another variable? As frequently demonstrated by placebo-controlled studies,

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thoughts are capable of producing physiological effects. What happens to my body if I'm

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constantly thinking negative thoughts and harboring unprocessed negative emotions?

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What if my body is designed to make my actions align with my beliefs? Does this explain how

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hypochondriacs who believe they will fall victim to disease can experience measurable symptoms?

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What if I believe that the symptoms I'm suffering from are incurable? Can I actually prevent myself

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from completing the healing process? Can I only truly be healthy when my mind allows it?

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By what mechanism does a thought generate a material result? For example, how does the mere

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observation of a stressful event cause my body to produce a stress hormone? Where do the electrical

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fields generated by my body fit into this equation? What does the constant bombardment of non-native

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electromagnetic fields do to my body's natural electrical balance? How does my body react to a

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How does my body react to a full day immersed in, for example, a Wi-Fi network? Can these

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disharmonious frequencies disrupt my natural processes? Can this be a co-factor in the

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creation of disease symptoms? Given the complex electrical nature of all living organisms and the

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evidence that frequency-based communication occurs between cells within my body, might

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immaterial communication between multiple bodies be possible? Could frequencies coming into harmony

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with one another explain the phenomenon of menstrual cycle syncing? Shouldn't I expect that

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many other things are being energetically communicated between living organisms as well?

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If my body eliminates waste as part of its solution to an underlying problem and this

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process resembles a cold or flu, is it possible that I'm capable of energetically communicating

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this helpful strategy with other people? When they too begin presenting the same detoxification

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symptoms, wouldn't this appear exactly the same as what we currently call an infectious disease?

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Is contagion actually just an intelligent communication process leading to mass healing?

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Because not all people are in need of internal cleanse at the same time, does this explain why

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the syncing frequencies wouldn't necessarily result in spreading the symptoms of disease?

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Wouldn't this appear exactly the same as our current concept of immunity?

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Because there are relatively few ways for my body to eliminate waste, can the differences in severity

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between various respiratory ailments, referred to as colds, flus, bronchitis, pneumonia, etc.,

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be explained simply by differences in the amount of waste needing to be removed

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and how capable I am at completing this process without complications?

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Given that virologists have never been able to find supposedly infectious virus particles and

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fluids taken from an ill person, only showing debris of unknown origin, claimed to be viruses

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at the end stages of a laboratory process involving multiple inputs including toxic substances,

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is it possible that our current concept of a virus is just a story we'd never outgrew,

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originating from an inability to explain the phenomenon of contagion?

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Given the various experiments from the early 1900s which failed to spread supposedly contagious

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diseases from one person to another, what if the simple answer to these failures is that they were

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working with the wrong foundational hypothesis? And because these studies failed at proving their

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hypothesis, shouldn't alternative hypotheses have been thoroughly investigated over the last 100

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years? What if many doctors and scientists over the last century actually have done this work,

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recognizing the logical errors at the foundation of modern medicine? What if, to the detriment of

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their careers, they've written many books and papers explaining how humanity has been misled?

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Would I have heard about these people if my only source of health information came from school

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textbooks and advertiser-funded news? And even if I had heard of them, would I have dismissed them

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as quacks because their ideas strayed from the norm? What if the foundational principles of

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modern medicine have already been proven wrong, given the trillions of dollars wrapped up in

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pharmaceuticals, hospital systems, medical research, and insurance conglomerates? Would

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this knowledge be suppressed? Is the entire paradigm too big to fail? Do the economic

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implications become so overwhelming that many are afraid to even entertain the notion of changing

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course? What if well-intentioned professionals in various fields of health care asked themselves

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all of these questions? What if they concluded that their careers were based on a series of

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incorrect assumptions presented as indisputable facts during their formal education and training?

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Could they overcome this crisis of identity, coupled with the guilt from unwittingly leading

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patients in the wrong direction for years or decades? Could they brave the financial

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ramifications of no longer practicing within the same broken system? What if people everywhere,

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in unison, began to recognize that our bodies are brilliant, that we are in control of our own health

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and are not relying on man-made inventions to fix supposed shortcomings of nature? Instead,

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what if we looked at what we ate and drank, and how we talked, thought, and felt? What if we demanded

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that every dollar currently allocated to disease treatments was instead spent on cleaning our air,

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soil, and water? What if we focused on removing any impediments standing in the way of how

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nature intended for our bodies to work? What if we were no longer afraid of symptomatic people,

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and instead embraced them? What if the only bug we can spread is a communication strategy

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intended to resolve an underlying issue? What if we said thank you when we began experiencing

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the symptoms of disease, recognizing them instead as signs of healing?

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What if my body is brilliant, and yours is too? What would the world look like if we all realized this together?

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Okay, that's it. I don't really have anything else to say. I think

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if you found that video to be impactful to you, I appreciate anyone willing to spread that around,

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make it go viral, pun intended. Let me share the YouTube link for that video. We do have a YouTube

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version up right now, and if you could share that around, I'd really appreciate it. And if you could

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also share around the website, the end of COVID. We also have an affiliate program, so if you want

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to receive compensation for helping us raise awareness for this project, I greatly appreciate

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that. And yeah, that's all I have to say. Wow. That is a great video. What if my body is

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brilliant, and you think about this whole perspective that we have of our bodies, that

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90 sessions, Alec, of end of COVID, of what has been put together with an amazing

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range of experts. Congratulations. What an extraordinary exercise. I have many, many

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questions, but as you know, we start with Stephen, and so others, put your hands up for-

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Well, I guess let me share one more thing, just to give everyone a preview of the people who are

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presenting as part of the end of COVID. Last thing that I'll do, and then I'll

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turn it over to you guys. Let's see. Let me pull this up one more time.

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Okay. Yeah. So here's some of the people that are featured during the end of COVID. I'll just

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scroll through it slowly here. Can you read the names? I can't read the names. Can you read the

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names out, Alec? Here, I'll just do this. Let me see if I can zoom in on this so you can see it

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better. That's better. Here, there we go. Kevin Cool was great. Mark Bailey is excellent.

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Andrew Kaufman is brilliant.

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They're all brilliant. A lot of these people I don't know, actually, but anyway.

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Sam Bailey is very clever, very good doctor, understands medicine. Meredith Miller is,

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I don't know how she's come up with the stuff she has, but she's right on target, I think.

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John Bowden, of course. Todd Callander.

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Yeah, I think you've had quite a few of these people. Lee Merritt, yeah. On medical doctors

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for COVID ethics. I'll read them later, but it's very interesting. Almost done here, and then

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we'll move on. Just wanted to show you guys how many people, how many brilliant minds we're

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featuring during the end of COVID. We've had Pavlevski as well. I haven't got time to read

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all the names, so I've just picked out Rogowski. That's it. Yeah. Okay. Yep. So very well done,

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Alec. One of the things I learned from lawyers was that, and I couldn't understand it because

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I was so tortured by the case, as it were, that I just couldn't understand it. So I was so angry

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as well, and I just wanted to throw everything I knew at the opposition, who was the Ministry of

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Defence. But they used to kind of focus, they used to try to identify the most important

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argument and stick to that. And I could never understand this because I just wanted to hit

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them with everything we had, every weapon available. But of course, I finally understood that not only

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did we give them all our information, which we could have saved up for another day, to give them

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several bad days, but also their thing was that they didn't want to dilute the message,

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the most important message in their view from a legal point of view, which didn't always correspond

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with my view as the victim of what was happening. Do you get me? So I think it's really amazing. But

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actually, to pick out the most important messages, you actually have to do, as you've done,

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and we've done as well, listen to all kinds of people from all kinds of backgrounds, with all

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kinds of opinions. And then eventually, you realize that actually you understand it pretty well,

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much more than you thought was possible, say, two or three years ago.

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And so I don't know whether you felt that as well, but you've obviously had a similar strategy.

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It wasn't really a strategy. In our case, it was just kind of happened. But you've done very well.

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I wanted to ask you, so what you're talking about, the brilliance of the human body,

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is very important, because one of the things that these globalists, is they want to convince us

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that they're very clever and that the human body needs their help. Well, it's just nonsense.

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You know, this is hubris. We can't even conceive of the size of the universe, never mind the

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complexity of it and all the animals and the birds and all kind of getting rid of their waste,

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if you like. I don't think of it like that, but you do amazingly. But anyway, I was thinking,

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I was talking to Kevin Corbett one day, you know, in the UK. He's a friend of mine. And he happened

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to mention that in the 80s, the immunologists were pushed aside by the virologists. So as the

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virologists came into play, the immunologists disappeared. And when I was at medical school,

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the immunologists were the top of the tree as far as medical doctors were concerned. That's what we

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were, you know, that was the impression I got as a medical student. So I said to him, do you think

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it was deliberate that they invented the world of virology, you know, invented it actually,

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or increased the power of that specialty? I remember Sukrit Bhakdi also saying that virology

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split away from microbiology. So there was bacteriology, parasitology and virology. I

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remember asking why was virology split off from microbiology? So, and then I also thought that

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virology, there's at least a possibility which needed to be investigated, obviously, if there's

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a possibility. But nothing that virology, epidemiology, genomics, the whole fields of

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those three, you know, plus evidence-based medicine, which was always going to lead to tyranny.

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That these were necessary to push the nonsense of deadly viral pandemics threatening the human

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species. And in America at the moment, up to the age of four or five, I think it is, they have to

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have 72 shots. Every child has to have 72 shots to keep alive.

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26 by 12 months of age.

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And then you observe the world, you know, you think about all the birds, you know, flying around,

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well, they don't have any vaccinated, as far as I know they don't, you know, the sparrows and the

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robins and the, and so the whole thing, you know, it's a, you've got a world, a universe, which is

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so vast and complicated, which is obviously beyond human comprehension.

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None of us has any idea why we're here, how we got here, and in particular, well, in my case,

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I'm absolutely, yeah, so the point is, and yet these bastards tell us that they want to save us,

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you know, with these vaccinations. It's just nonsense. So, but it's not just the medical

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stuff. It's the Ukraine war, you know, and the whole thing is-

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The agricultural industry, it's so much of it.

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Sure. And the climate change and then the trans agenda, which of course destroys families,

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and the whole, it seems to me that there's been a real push to destroy the concept of family,

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you know, to threaten, to undermine it all so that marriage doesn't mean anything, that families

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don't mean anything, when of course, if you've got a strong family, strong family produces strong

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individuals. So it's not just about the medicine, but what's happened in the last three and a half

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years is that, in my opinion, there's a complete failure of the practice of medicine, and the

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failure is easy to find, that there were no medical ethics, and the concept of autonomous, individual,

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individual autonomous doctors, we were taught this at medical school, the biggest thing in favour of

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the patients was doctors to remain autonomous and individual with respect to medical ethics.

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Oh no, that went, evidence-based medicine, everything had to be proved beyond reasonable doubt,

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and all this nonsense, you know, medical ethics were completely forgot. You can't practice

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medicine without medical ethics, and you can't practice medicine without post-mortem examinations

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either, and they were banned, of course, you know, no, no, no, done around the world, apart from

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Professor Arne Booker, Burkhardt, who came, I won't go into the detail there, but then

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important questions were asked of him two weeks before he died,

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two weeks later, after those questions, he was dead. So, and the circumstances of the death are

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still very unclear to me, that's not the fault of him or his family, but it's just amazing

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that just he, and he was working with Sucrebacdia, and we all know that the German state tried to

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get him for antisemitism, this is outrageous, this is propaganda, and you know, it's not,

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so what I'm trying to say is not just about the no virus, and we all need to work together,

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you know, the no virus people who you know have been very vocal,

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and, but we've had a lot of those no virus people on this channel, and all we got for that was

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grief from some of them, not from you, I heard that you were defending, so thank you for that,

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and I just wonder, you know, if you can remember what I said, whether you, what your thoughts are,

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I'd be very interested. Yeah, I of course agree that the no virus thing is not the only

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issue at play here, of course that would not be the case, and of course using 9-11 as an example,

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they'll use various psyops and they have used various psyops in various different fields

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throughout history to seize more control, cause more division, chaos, etc., but with respect to health,

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if it is indeed true, and I am thoroughly convinced that it is true, and I think if you tune in to the

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end of COVID, you will probably be thoroughly convinced as well, if you have any lingering

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uncertainties regarding the lack of validity of viruses and the germ theory at large, that

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that the medical community is approaching health from a completely flawed understanding of how the

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human body works, and if your foundation is entirely flawed, then everything built upon it

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will also be flawed, so of course the no virus thing is relevant because that is, you know,

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the existence of SARS-CoV-2 is what gave way for everything over the last three and a half years

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to occur, but not only that, it gives way to the entire vaccination program, it gives way to much

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of what allopathic medicine does in its approach to health, and if it's operating from a flawed

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understanding, it is relevant to the everyday lives of men and women around the entire world.

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So I absolutely agree, so I think everything that the no virus people have been saying,

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I've been saying this all along, that it's possible, you know, but it's very difficult

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to prove a negative, and so it's a little, you know, so you don't need, so all I would say as a

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doctor approaching it from the medical doctor's side is that in my opinion, what I was told at

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medical school was that these deadly viral pandemics, you know, that they can't occur,

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or sorry, they didn't tell us that, what they said was that the thing about a deadly virus

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was that it can't cause a pandemic because it kills its host, it's not easy to have, so they've

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created this notion that pandemics, you know, we're always on the edge of a viral pandemic and

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always terribly dangerous, we need to say, I think it's rubbish, I don't think we're, anyway,

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these deadly viral pandemics are not possible and they're not a threat, and they need to be

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exposed for that, but yes, it's quite possible that there are no viruses, that I don't know,

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I haven't gone into it enough because I haven't had time, but I've always said that we need to

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look at that, but I didn't, I personally didn't think that we needed to look at it at the moment,

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and certainly it wasn't worth us kind of arguing to the point that we didn't talk to each other.

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I agree with that, I think that's not helpful, but let me finish on my commentary with respect

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to the virus thing and then I'll touch on the other part of your question if I may.

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So if there are no viruses, there's no need for vaccines, full stop. There's no need for any of

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the poisonous injections that our kids receive, there's no need to fight for safer vaccines,

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and that means, like I said, every single one of the health measures over the last three years

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is completely fraudulent, and there is no need to be fearful of lab-made viruses either, so-called

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lab-made viruses. Absolutely, I agree. The gain-of-function thing is a construct, it's a limited hangout,

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but it also has the advantage because they can say, oh, you know, they're doing the gain-of-function

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narrative against the laws of America, so everybody thinks, oh, why would they be saying that, you know,

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well, yes, because it actually is important for them to bolster the narrative of deadly viral

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pandemics, whether they're naturally occurring or created in the lab, and particularly the ones

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created in the lab are important because people think, oh, you know, we're really in danger,

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we're on the edge. Exactly. David, let Alec finish. Yeah, so, and again, like, to emphasize this point

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with respect to the idea that there was a man-made bio-weapon that escaped from a lab or was

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deliberately released from a lab, I'll just touch on that briefly, but again, please tune into the

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end of COVID because it is covered extensively and there's context upon context, upon context,

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upon context, answering all of the, well, what about this? Well, what about that? Questions that

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inevitably arise, because remember, like, let's go back into the past. In 2019, I was already fully

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aware of the corruption in the pharmaceutical industry, right? I was already fully aware of my

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son was, I already had one child at that time and he's completely unvaccinated. I already knew never

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to put any of those toxic poisons inside the bodies of my kids, but I believed that there was

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a man-made bio-weapon that escaped from a lab. And then as time went on, I discovered the foundational

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fraud of virology because I was looking at the landscape of what was occurring, painted against

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the backdrop of what I witnessed on these black rectangular boxes, our phones, our TVs, our computers

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of the propaganda of Chinese people dropping dead in the streets and even multiple mainstream

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sources talking about how a deadly bio-weapon might have escaped from a lab and we need to defend and

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put more regulations on gain of function experiments, et cetera, et cetera. But as I simply stopped

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blindly accepting what I was being told, even by so-called alternative pundits on these black

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boxes on my screen and simply observed reality, there is no proof of it. And further, the CDC's

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own data corroborates what I'm saying. 95% of COVID deaths had an average of four comorbidities,

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most being lifestyle nutrition related. 79% of hospitalizations were in overweight or obese

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people. 75% of deaths occurred in people aged 65 and up. 50% of deaths occurred in people aged 70 and

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up. And the second strongest risk factor for death associated with COVID, which is just a label for

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an amalgamation of symptoms, was fear slash anxiety related disorders, which would imply those are

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people who had already had a diagnosed disorder, not accounting for the large number of people that

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wound up in the hospital, wound up testing quote positive for COVID and being put on a ventilator

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and then being given remdesivir. So the point is when you say that there is a bio-weapon that

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escaped from a lab, show me the proof of that. Because even as Nick Hudson and Denny Rancourt

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have done with respect to the mortality data around the world, there is no proof that there

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was a pandemic. The mortality data doesn't reflect that. The mortality data does reflect that there

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was a spike in some weird stuff, some weird issues, and also with respect to the deaths

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after the rollout of the products that were delivered to people in early 2021. But when

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you say there's a deadly bio-weapon that escaped from a lab, where? Where's the proof of it? None

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of the symptoms surrounding COVID are novel symptoms. There's nothing new going on. Was there

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an increase in certain types of symptoms? Absolutely. I will acknowledge that, that a

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lot of people experience that, but we also cover that during the end of COVID, going into sort of

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some of the psychosomatic phenomena related to what's gone on over the last three and a half years.

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And of course, if you had looked up loss of taste and smell, common cold prior to this whole era,

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you would have found that one in three people experienced loss of taste and smell with a common

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cold. Zinc deficiency also plays in... Absolutely. Yes. But you know what, Alec, you're the first

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person I've heard saying that. And I was saying, I've been saying that none of the symptoms was

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pathognomonic for COVID-19. It was a failure of diagnosis, both if you did the ridiculous tests

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and did it clinically as a doctor. There were no symptoms which are peculiar to COVID-19.

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And to your other point though, real quick, Stephen, if I may, because I only have like

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28 minutes left, is that yes, the no virus thing is not the only thing that is important here.

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And that's why during the end of COVID, we've also taken an approach in dissecting our relationship

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as men and women to government, which is also ironically comprised of men and women like us,

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and educating men and women on their rights, where their rights come from, where freedom comes from,

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and how we hold other men and women accountable who commit trespasses against us. That is another

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huge thing that we're covering during the end of COVID. And that will apply when it comes to

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these nonsensical climate lockdowns or anything else that they try to throw at us, because

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ultimately, this tyranny continues because whether many of us disagree with the flavor by which

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they wield their authority, the methods, the type of authority, we still have the underlying

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conditioned belief that other men and women who are in so-called positions of authority have a

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right to tell us what to do. And that is something we also dissect during the end of COVID.

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Absolutely. Ridiculous, yeah. Mere human beings

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trying to tell us that they know everything, and it's just ridiculous.

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All right, we've got questions. Albert.

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Thank you, Alec. Yeah.

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Alec, thank you for coming. Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to do my spiel.

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Thank you for being a part of it, man. For real, your analysis is the various data

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for the end of COVID. I'm so excited for people to watch that. It was incredible.

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It was really good. It was a complete honor. I just wanted to say that I had no idea how

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long this scam had been going on before the COVID era. It wasn't until lockdowns, and I started to

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follow theirs and that whole bit. But I guess apparently there's been people for years,

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if not decades, talking about this scam for a long time. And that's why I wanted to give a

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little shout out post, I think it's post humorously, with a guy named Raymond Obamzawin.

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Yeah. My friend here, Shasta, has been trying to get, asking or begging, that maybe get Raymond's

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stuff on there, squeezed in there onto your platform. Yeah, so we feature Raymond's

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Phantom Pandemic PDF as a downloadable. So this is for everyone's awareness. Below each

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of the respective sessions will be downloadable PDFs that pertain to that session. And Raymond

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Obamzawin's Phantom Pandemic document will be downloadable below, I think, over half of the

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sessions for the end of COVID, as will Dr. Mark Bailey's A Farewell to Virology, and then a number

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of other things that pertain to specific details covered in each of the respective sessions.

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God bless you, Alex. And I just wanted to let you guys know, watch out. We've been working with

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Shasta and I and family members of the Obamzawin family. Been working with Ted Koontz of

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Vaccine Choice Canada to get Raymond his own website and his own platform with all of his

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materials. But in the meantime, I have a, I put a little link dedicating a page to all his stuff

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on my website. And, you know, Raymond was just a great, godly man. And he, you know, he was, he,

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we should have been listening to him decades, decades ago. And I'm sure if he was still alive

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today, he would, he would have been one of the headliners here with, with you, with on your

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platform. But thank you. And can't wait. I can't wait for July 11. Thank you so much, Alex.

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Yeah, thank you again, Albert, for being a part of it. Really appreciate it, really.

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Albert, well done on your huge work. That's, that's fantastic. And you've dug deep and it's

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been a great resource. So great work. Jim. Thanks very much. Hey, yes, thanks very much. Hey,

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great talk. And I wanted to ask you about the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. This spike protein,

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Robert Redfield said it was developed by the United States State Department.

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Released the same spike protein as in the vaccine. Restrained by six prolines. The spike protein was

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is known to be a carcinogen. And that was covered up by Eric Breed at NIH Fort Detrick.

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Fort Detrick is the center of tick-borne and mosquito-borne illnesses.

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Every country in six eyes, the six eyes countries, including Britain and the United Kingdom,

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as well as Israel and the United States, prevented the use of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin,

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which is the treatment for the spike protein or whatever, as well as coxiella burnetti,

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which is the one thing that's that in Freedom of Information, Janet Woodcock will not talk about.

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It is also the treatment, the treatment for coxiella, which is hydroxychloroquine and

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doxycycline also stops the plague. We see also mosquitoes biting people and getting and giving

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out malaria now in the United States. It's also the treatment for all these things. Couldn't this

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be a genetically engineered spike protein damage that is easily prophylaxis, low dose,

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H2 blockers, and is a genetic weapon aimed to depopulate the United States and the six eyes

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countries, just like the theme of Rainier and the U.S. and the United States, and the six eyes

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countries, just like the theme of Rainbow Six. Thanks.

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Yeah, Jim, you threw a lot of terms there with respect to the so-called ACE2 receptor and the

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spike protein and the use of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin and insect-borne illnesses and

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things like this. It's relevant because we cover literally all of those things during the end of

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COVID in great detail. Let me share my screen one more time. So during module two, we cover the

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so-called spike protein. Dr. Stefano Scoglio goes into great detail describing the so-called

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discovery of and proof of the spike protein. We go into the details surrounding hydroxychloroquine

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and ivermectin in session number 28 of module four. In this session, session number four,

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isolation of SARS-CoV-2, the ACE2 receptor is discussed quite a bit. And then with respect to

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insect-borne illnesses, in this presentation, Dr. Stef Young does a deep dive into the

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in this presentation, Dr. Stef Young does a deep dive of Lyme disease. So I will just

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at this point refrain from commenting on that so as to not go off on a tangent because I only have

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20 minutes left. And I just encourage everyone to tune in to the end of COVID and watch those

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sessions. And if you have problems with what is presented in those sessions, I appreciate

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not using logical fallacies because logical fallacies are used when you don't have a legitimate

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argument. And I would hope that you are able to refute the evidence that we present. So that's

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Thank you very much. Looking forward to seeing that. Yep. That's all I'll say about that.

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Thank you, Jim. All right. Now, a couple of things, everybody, and some questions,

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a couple of questions for you. Alec, firstly, I gave stop press notice of the vaccine detox

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summit. Alec, you would have got that as well. That starts today for five days. Many of the

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presenters to this group are featured. It's free. And Dr. Alina Lesinic in Germany has set this up.

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It's the vaccine detox summit starting on the fifth to the ninth of July. And,

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and Alec, it's a great challenge for all of us with this volume of information,

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and they're getting the best information. And what end of COVID does is to enable us

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to have a resource to send to people who need to be educated in totality. That's,

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that's wonderful. Alina Lesinic, she's focusing on recovering. And you mentioned the mother

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whose child got those nine vaccines. And yesterday, I watched Bobby Kennedy

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purportedly grilled in a town hall by a stooge doctor. I urge all of you to watch that and watch

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his rebuttal of, of people who say you are spreading disinformation, Bobby Kennedy,

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you are spreading dangerous, you are spreading information that's dangerous to people.

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And so that others know I'm on the I'm on the committee of the Australian vaccination

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risks network that was founded everybody in 1994. Okay, this is 29 years ago, I'm now the

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two years old then two years old. I was two years old in 1994. Yeah, well, that's when

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that's when there are people who realize the harm being done by vaccines.

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And Judy Mike of it's it was in the chat said do not get ever again injected. So the recovery

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Wakefield was speaking out even before then. No, he was not. No, he was 1999. Oh,

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well, that's when he got destroyed. Yes, but I think he was talking before.

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Not much known. Merrill Dory started in 1994. However, you know, it's it doesn't every single

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bit. I think this since the 1800s 1700s even Curtis cost, I think Curtis cost was 1991. Steven,

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I think. Remember, he came on and spoke to us. It was 91. Because the 1986 change of law in the US

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Alec and I'm presumed you've gone through that the indemnity given to these evil pharmaceutical

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companies is what caused this extraordinary spike in injecting Americans and Australians

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and English. Now the recovery process so this five day summit is about recovery. And I'm dealing

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with a lot of people who need protocols for recovery. And so any of you who know anybody

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who is injured from the jabs, and there's a lot of people, then they should be looked at the five

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day the interviews will be available, but all these different protocols because one protocol

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doesn't work for every person. So that's that's what the that vaccine detox summit is about. And

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you then Alec talk about this whole detox process. And the you touch in that in the your body is

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brilliant, which is a wonderful piece. Who put that together? Because I got that a few months ago.

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It's brilliant. Yeah, so that was written by a member of my organization named James. And he

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kind of wants to remain anonymous, but he's right. He wanted to help push this out. And it was

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originally just a PDF. And he sent it to me. And I said, dude, I'm going to do whatever I can to get

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this shared all over the world. Because the first time I read it, I wept. I literally started crying

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because I just thought it was so beautiful. And what a perfect way to encapsulate the terrain model

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while using the Socratic method to sort of invite people through question asking to ponder these

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questions and to step into a position of empowerment with respect to their bodies.

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And so that for the end of COVID, we sat down and a friend of mine who's a brilliant filmmaker

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joined us and we just thought, let's let's do what we can to turn this into a video that we can

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feature during the end of COVID. And that's what we that's what we did.

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It's it's it's what it's wonderful. And it's the whole the whole question of elimination.

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Number one cause of disease I learned many years ago is constipation. And so the more accurate

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accurate statement, some people say you are what you eat. More accurate, it's more accurate to say

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you are what you don't eliminate. Yes, you are what you don't eliminate. So the lessons so each

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one of us has to understand this elimination process. And that's, that's why the what's the

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name of it's Jody. What's her surname? Jody Meschek. Jody Meschek. And that's extraordinary

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that she that that she was committed to getting her child to be healthy after these poison jabs.

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And she succeeded. It's a wonderful story. So I look forward to it.

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He was diagnosed with autism, I believe roughly six months to a year after he had regressed.

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So he was he already had several words that he was saying and he was crawling and making

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eye contact. And then after receiving nine shots in one sitting regressed and lost all of those

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capabilities, was diagnosed with autism a few months later. And she said the biggest challenge

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for her was overcoming her own shame to then began a process of helping to heal her son and

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her son is a normal, well functioning 13 14 year old kid and you would never know that he was

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previously diagnosed with autism if you saw him now. Magnificent. Great. Beautiful story.

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Beautiful story. And that shame issue I'm finding it as well as I'm sure many of you are. And Hans

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Benjamin, I hope you can stay for after when Alec leaves, I need to bring some interesting

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information to you, but we'll share that after Alec leaves. But I want Alec to know about it.

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Now the other issue, Stephen, that we need to know about is that Anna de Buisere,

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I bring it to our, you know, it was put in the chat last week that she's not well.

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Someone said when you know, she doesn't want information advice, but, but I just wanted to,

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to if anyone has an update on Anna, please share it in the chat that can be shared. But I think

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she's got a co fundraiser going, I think. So she's in a pretty ordinary way. I just wanted to if

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someone can give us an update, please do so in the chat. And then the last question that I have

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before I do my comment on soil, that's also relevant to health and you touch on I'm delighted that

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you do Alec, you as a former military man, Hans Benjamin, I'd urge you to have a look at Hans

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Benjamin's presentation, we need your help to get Hans Benjamin's research out. And Hans Benjamin,

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somebody saw your recording and and through Tom, Tom, Tom, Tom Rodman, we'll get it to Bobby Kennedy,

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because that is your information is very relevant to what's going on in the silence is deafening

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about your brilliant work. And all of us here should be using our connections to share that

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and Alec you as well. Okay, so the blowing up of the Nord Stream pipeline using nuclear weapons,

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and can only have been ordered by Joe Biden or approved by Joe Biden. Okay, that's the point.

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So we can talk some more about that after you go Alec, but Alec, you're just file that away and see

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how we can, who you can share that report, please send it to me because I haven't seen it. So it's

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on the rumble channel. Got it. So essentially covert attack, a nuclear attack, a covert nuclear

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attack on Russia, but not only Russia, other European states, I think I'm not, am I mischaracterizing

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it, Hans Benjamin? Well, just in brief words, a yes, it was a thermonuclear weapon. That's one thing.

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And secondly, it was targeted to send a shockwave towards Kaliningrad. So the seismic response there

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was actually 10 times as large as in the neighboring island of Bornholm. Normally a seismic response

688
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decays with distance, right? So it was a rather elaborate thing. And nobody knew about it, because

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of course I used seven different geophysical methods. So even if somebody doubts one, I mean,

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you would have to disprove every single one of them. So there is actually, it's beyond the shadow

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of a doubt. I've actually never done any scientific work where I had so many independent proofs for a

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phenomenon. Yeah, I would love to see it. I'd love to see that video. So Alec, I'll send it, I'll send

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the direct link, but it's on the channel. So Hans Benjamin, we'll talk some more. And Hans Benjamin

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is a professor of theoretical physics. And as far as I can understand, it's very difficult to

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contradict him, which is actually borne out by the fact that he sent all this information to,

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I think, many, many different agencies around the world who should have a view, including the United

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Nations Security Council. And they haven't responded at all. Nobody's made any response.

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They haven't taken any action against Hans Benjamin, cancelled him or anything. They've

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just ignored him. Actually, in the meantime, I have to add, I had a contact in Sweden, and

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it has been sent to the Swedish prosecutor. So he was interested in it. Oh, since you spoke to us.

701
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Very good. Yeah, that's just how I got that this morning. Oh, excellent. Yes. So we'll talk later

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about that. So Alec, in the 12 minute video, the comment was made and crucially relevant, clean

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air, soil and water. Now, the relevance of that to health in terms of the end of COVID. So,

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you know, the industrial, military and the industrial and military complex in the US driving

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the whole chemicalization of soil. The view in Australia, and certainly in America is the

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destruction of soil from the chemicalization of it. So what is your thinking from putting this

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information together about, you know, that you say, here's, here's, here's what we're, we're told,

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there's a climate emergency. Well, that is a nonsense. But we have a soil emergency,

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we have a water emergency, we have a waste emergency. So where does the end of COVID,

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the information you've got the deal, go with this drama, this problem that we have to deal with?

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Yeah, I would say that it is pertaining or the focus on the end of COVID, and especially in the

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last two modules, a new health story, part one and two is to give frameworks and and modalities

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for healing after we've dissolved the false germ hypothesis. Now with that, of course, I think the

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the health of the soil, the health of our air and the health of our water are vital to our health

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as human beings like that, that is without question. And I think that the accepted climate

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narrative and the accepted path by which the so called authorities direct us to or attempt to

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direct us to to resolve this non existent climate issue is ultimately perpetuating the problem.

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So this is something that would that would be better served to be covered in its entire

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in its entirety elsewhere, it we don't cover it extensively during the end of COVID.

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But I of course, agree with everything that you've just said. And I think cleaning up our soil and

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that doesn't mean like sterilizing our soil. That means allowing microbial life to flourish in our

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soil and cleaning up our air of industrial pollutants. And I don't buy into the nonsense

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that cow farts cause global warming whatsoever. And and then also cleaning up our water

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is paramount to health. And that's something that maybe I could cover later on maybe I'll do that

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for a future production of mine. Very good. Thank you. Okay, Steven last five minutes before

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Ellie goes over to you. Yeah, so um, so just something that's kind of come to my mind.

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So I would say they're trying to say that all these emergencies occurring. I would say it's

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just nonsense. There is no emergency. The only emergency is the gradual descent into global

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totalitarianism. That's an emergency. And also the the treason worldwide treason, the betrayal of

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the people by the very people who are paid to protect them, you know, protect the nation's

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interests, which of course they're not doing. So I don't think they're, you know, even on this group,

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people say that it's this emergency and that no, I'm sorry, there are no emergencies, you know,

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we're not unique in the last 50 years or 100 years. How on earth have human beings survived

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all this time? And actually, we're increasing in numbers. So that tells me that the species is

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actually successful. Despite all the problems or despite all their emergencies. The whole thing is

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just nonsense. And it needs to be exposed. It's all about propaganda, fraud, propaganda, censorship,

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totalitarianism, and treason worldwide. And treason used to be a terrible thing.

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Doesn't seem to be any longer. Look at Biden in America. The southern border is a good example.

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So anyway, that's all I have to say. But maybe you've got some closing comments, Alec.

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Yeah, so I think my closing comments would be to emphasize, and I talked to him, it's funny,

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because I caught I closed on the last time I was on Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics saying

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something roughly similar, that from a young age, we are taught to deny our own observations

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and experiences with respect to our lives and look to so called authority figures for guidance.

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And we've come to a point in history, where there are men and women who are really children

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walking around in the bodies of men and women who are no longer looking to their mommy and

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daddy for guidance or their school teachers for guidance and are simply looking to the government

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and the so called authorities for guidance. And even for those, yeah, last thing, even for those

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of us who are awake to what's going on, we still believe at some level that the men and women who

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call themselves government have legitimate power and authority over us. We are hallucinating

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their authority into existence by our own conditioned beliefs. The reality is they are

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just men and women, just as we are men and women. And the moment all of us in the health and truth

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and freedom movements begin to no longer look at them as legitimate authority figures and begin to

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live our lives authentically according to how we want them to be lived and then encourage other

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people kindly to do the same thing, all of this nonsense stops. Absolutely. But so many people

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are so afraid of taking responsibility. Oh, they don't even want to do any research because actually

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it might mean in the end that they have to do something to protect their children.

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It's a pathetic state of affairs, but I don't really blame them. They've been psychologically

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tortured into a state of Stockholm syndrome, but also their whole role as parents and grandparents

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has been undermined by the damned state. And these people operating the state are just our servants.

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That's why I say statism is the biggest disease. Yeah, but the problem, one of the problems I've

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been alerted to Alec and maybe you can think about this, is that these globalists, they want to

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destroy the nation states. They want the people to turn around and say our politicians are hopeless

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and then they step in and say we'll save you with global government, world governments. See, I could

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see that to some degree, but irrespective of what they're attempting to do, because of course there

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is a, I don't like calling it a communist takeover of America. I would say rather it's like a fascist

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takeover of America. It's really more fascism, but that's a longer conversation. But the point is

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like irrespective of the type of government, I think that we're told we have a democracy in

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the United States. And let's pretend for a second that the democracy is functioning as it's intended

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to, that our votes actually count, that there's fair democratic processes in place and the

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presidents are actually elected. The idea that one man who supposedly represents the position

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of the majority should be put in place to then create laws, codes, acts, and statutes. And I

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understand there's three branches of government, but for the purpose of time, I'll just shorten

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that and say creates laws, codes, acts, and statutes to then implement and wield upon the

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entire population, including the so-called minority who may disagree with them and have

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the threat and use of force for those who don't comply is absolutely absurd, especially given that

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the majority is oftentimes completely wrong on a number of issues. Absolutely. That majority

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perspective is then being pushed on to all society through exactly democracy when actually the

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solutions come from individuals who are pure in their thoughts and in their vision. But that's

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not emphasized, of course, but you read Tolstoy and he talks about that. Yeah, and it might some

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final final add-on from the perspective of a physicist. It is actually in physics is interesting

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if you look at systems which are entirely uniform, then certain perturbations can

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propagate without any resistance. So it's like avalanche which spreads and that's in terms of

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take whatever it is, it's some negative influence in nature, then you have wiped out the whole system.

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So it's actually diversity in itself which means also suboptimal entities are absolutely essential

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to actually keep a whole system in a general way. Absolutely, Hans. So we need autonomous human

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beings if only to prevent these deadly cults which the human beings seem to like. Yeah,

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yeah. Self-governing, self-ownership is the two things that I think are the most important

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pieces to ensure none of this nonsense. Yes, exactly. I gotta go though, you guys. Thank you

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so much for having me. It is an honor and please be sure to check out the end of covid.com and help

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us spread the word to get this out to the masses so that we can ensure none of this nonsense ever

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happens again. So Alec, one of the things I've noticed that you're a bridge between some of the

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extreme no-covid people and we need those people. We don't want them talking about one thing,

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they need to learn about the other things as well that you are open to and Kevin Corbett's another.

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Excellent, he's really bright, Kevin Corbett. Yeah, love Kevin, he's great and there's a lot

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of great people that may not completely agree with the no-virus perspective that still

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definitely have worthwhile things to say and I guess this is a relevant point that I gotta go.

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Where I draw the line is I draw the line with respect to people who don't adopt the no-virus

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position if they are actively censoring and avoiding conversations surrounding it. That's

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where I draw the line and there are several people who are actively censoring with their respective

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the largest actually health freedom platforms this conversation and will not go there for

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several reasons and I've written an open letter to these individuals namely Del Bigtree and

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and I understand the political reasons etc etc but I cover all that in my article

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kindly inviting them to simply broach this topic not take a stance on it broach this topic with

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their respective audiences. I guess I can share that that article here it has over 40,000 views

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it's from my sub stack and I think it's highly relevant right now for those who are not fully

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on board with a no-virus position that are oftentimes slandered called controlled opposition and things

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like this who are essentially just people with a different perspective or they may have not done

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the research or they may have done the research and they just don't agree with it. There's a number

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of reasons that people haven't come to the no-virus position. I will speak very clearly that I do not

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think there is any proof whatsoever that viruses exist or cause any sort of disease and I'm very

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clear about that I've been clear a number of times but not everyone who isn't on board with

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that perspective is a controlled opposition disinformation agent or anything like this it's

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nonsense to think that. Absolutely so there are some people who think it's the wrong time

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to bring it up because it's going to slow down the process of educating the people. And I disagree

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with them but I ultimately like can put myself in their shoes and see why they think that without

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having done as deep of a dive as I and others have done with respect to this issue and that's the

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problem with this dynamic is that in general people aren't able to put themselves in the shoes

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of others to sort of think why is it that they're behaving this way what conditioning do they have

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what are do they have an identity attachment to this is there financial implications is it that

820
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they don't want to be seen as crazy do they think it's akin to some like like holocaust denialism

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like the point is there are several reasons why and it doesn't make it right but it allows you to

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sort of take the weight off of your own shoulders when you can put yourself in other people's shoes

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and say ah okay I see why they're behaving this way and rather than immediately just cut them off

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and say you're controlled opposition I want to invite them to into deeper conversations on this

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topic because I have had success in taking doctors who were pro-vaccine and getting them

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to understand the no virus position by approaching them kindly yes alec I absolutely agree with you

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saying no novel symptoms no pandemic I absolutely agree that these all the vaccinations need to be

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looked at again but not just the vaccinations because the whole pharmaceutical conglomerates

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if you like they need to be looked at and that means we have to look at all their so-called

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medicines yeah but the other thing that I was thinking about which are very just very quickly

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the detoxing everybody's talking about the protocols that in my view is not how you practice

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you know even the kind of medicine that we maybe favor now with the protocols because why

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because it stops autonomous doctors from making so it becomes a tyranny and the other thing is that

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none of these protocols as far as I have seen has ever suggested that people around the world in

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many different countries have been psychologically tortured and they really need counseling yeah

836
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because they totally agree last comment I'll make someone in the chat post it posted it goes both

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ways no virus people are continually harassed and accused of being controlled off as well yeah

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exactly I was just accused by this virologist who is a anti-vaccine virologist by the name of Adam

839
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Garrett I forget his name Adam something on twitter he tried to insinuate that I'm

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intentionally misleading people and misleading the truth movement as an attempt to divert people

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away from the truth about viruses and yes it absolutely happens on both sides and I get called

842
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controlled opposition all the time by people who believe that there was a gain of function virus but

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the point is I think it's ridiculous on both sides it shows a limited

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it shows it I guess it shows a lack of maturity and immediately calling other people

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who simply don't have the same perspective who may not have done the research that you have done who

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may not have explored this topic who are in a state of perpetual cognitive dissonance who have

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identities formed around it etc etc etc immediately calling them controlled opposition doesn't do

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anyone good and again the exception there for me personally this was a very very very

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this is me personally speaking is those who are actively misrepresenting our perspective intentionally

850
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while also refusing to talk to us blocking us and refusing to come to the table censoring this topic

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etc etc I have no tolerance for people like that and that is what I have personally experienced

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with Children's Health Defense the organization and personally experienced with Dell Big Tree so

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that's what I'll that's what I'll leave everyone with again thank you for having me

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really appreciate it. Great work Alec thank you. I do I would say one thing about Children's Health

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Defense I think RFK Jr has a very difficult job everybody wants to be working with him and against

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oh he's gone so now the what I'm going to do I'm going to do this deliberately I'm going to stop

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the recording after Hans Benjamin you talk and then we'll start it again because because this

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is now that was the Alec's presentation I want to have that separately on Rumble channel it might

859
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be a useful Q&A to post but let's Hans Benjamin Alex Bailey said he has shared your recording with

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with his list of 150 000 media links through France and other places.

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Okay. And so just repeat what you said earlier that that Sweden the Swedish prosecutors interested

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and the other point was that one of Tom Rodman's connections is going to share the recording with

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Bobby Kennedy because it's clearly relevant to the presidential. So Charles why would you stop

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the recording if Hans Benjamin. I said after Hans speaks on this because because what people talk

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about might be well you know it's a we can't know the question is whether it should be because

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it's not to do with Alec precisely it could be I see sorry yes oh but I think what we're talking

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about now is very important so it should be recorded if only you're not listening Alec did

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his presentation we can put this up as a Q&A following Alec's presentation so said video

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but I want Hans Benjamin I want to discuss how we can help you sorry I'm misunderstood sorry yeah

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so in essence so what do you want to you want me to summarize everything again no

871
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or you just want to respond to questions I've just brought it to people's attention again

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Alex Bailey has shared it and others are sharing it and it was a masterful presentation and

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reminding all of us to share it with people who may take action on it rather than being a

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code of a code of silence about your great work that's the point yeah yeah no I that's I mean I'm

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overwhelmed right I mean because after so such a long time of absolute you know it was like

876
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it was like this explosion it was a calm sea and suddenly something comes out of that sea which is

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highly visible and yeah I know I'm very humbled also that you yeah that you that you can see also

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the scientific basis of these arguments I think that's that's very important I think what I

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realized that some articles appeared now and you know kind of popular news outlets and then you

880
1:32:28 --> 1:32:35
get all these comments of where you actually can see that it is actually important we have been

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critical of science of course you know with respect to all these um crisis which we had

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but as scientists we need to have a network where first we have sort of a close discussion among

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scientists because we know the tools and we have the tools to to openly discuss and to to insect

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arguments because if you go too soon out to the public the public they have no ideas about

885
1:33:05 --> 1:33:14
scientific methodology right so um so it is important that it grows within that kind of

886
1:33:15 --> 1:33:22
cluster of scientists of competent or all of others who actually have the competence and then

887
1:33:22 --> 1:33:26
they actually and then it proceeds and it's actually interesting this is also related to

888
1:33:26 --> 1:33:35
physics you know how how are how is information propagated and if you look at for example how

889
1:33:35 --> 1:33:42
crystallization occurs if if the nucleus where something crystallizes is too small it shrinks

890
1:33:42 --> 1:33:50
back right it doesn't it doesn't grow and constantly in this in in in such a state you have

891
1:33:50 --> 1:33:56
certain elements which grows but only when they actually attain a critical critical size then it

892
1:33:56 --> 1:34:03
actually grows right of course people in social media take advantage of all of this but um I

893
1:34:03 --> 1:34:09
think there is an additional layer that's what I mentioned that it needs to first grow among

894
1:34:09 --> 1:34:16
people who have the insight in in this object and then what usually happens is that the interface

895
1:34:16 --> 1:34:22
between the public and science has been damaged for a long time also actually deliberately

896
1:34:23 --> 1:34:29
because of this division of research which is behind the fence like in this case of of nuclear

897
1:34:29 --> 1:34:36
weapons we have no insight even I I mean I hear things from colleagues and I can't infer oh maybe

898
1:34:37 --> 1:34:42
they're able to do this but I have to speculate what they actually do and then suddenly you have

899
1:34:42 --> 1:34:52
science which should be part of society which is completely fenced off from from the rest of society

900
1:34:52 --> 1:35:00
and then as you mentioned before you have then these these industrial you know whatever conglomerates

901
1:35:00 --> 1:35:07
which take advantage of this and by that you you you literally tear society apart right because

902
1:35:07 --> 1:35:13
you have a two-class society you know you have the gains you take all the advantages also financial

903
1:35:13 --> 1:35:20
ones and you have to rest who just has to tolerate you know who are in essence like

904
1:35:22 --> 1:35:27
exaggerated but they are like slaves of the system because they have no rights and they have no

905
1:35:27 --> 1:35:37
insight so and they have no resources and Daniel Estreland Daniel Estreland went through that last

906
1:35:37 --> 1:35:50
week with us and pointed out the movie Elysium produced in 2013 which was precisely about that

907
1:35:50 --> 1:35:58
issue of the elites living okay interest off the planet and then the bulk of people living on a

908
1:35:58 --> 1:36:06
destroyed earth so that is precisely Hans Benjamin what the game plan is the global cabal the elite

909
1:36:06 --> 1:36:14
and then and then the useless eaters yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah no that is and and again we I think

910
1:36:14 --> 1:36:20
what I also sensed when I was going through I mean it's it's sort of a this investigation

911
1:36:20 --> 1:36:25
or three wasn't the only one I did a few things which I wanted to add with kovac but that's

912
1:36:25 --> 1:36:32
I think in all the context and do that because I think it's significant statistical results I

913
1:36:32 --> 1:36:38
think which which could be of help also maybe for you guys but maybe we discuss about that nature

914
1:36:38 --> 1:36:47
but this issue that we need to restructure society from back that also has been alluded to before

915
1:36:47 --> 1:36:54
back from the individuals right so essentially the individuals we need to have a society where

916
1:36:54 --> 1:37:03
the individuals have the right to be happy to lead happy lives right and whereas now this is sort of

917
1:37:03 --> 1:37:11
of in some absolutist way is being they're being told how they have to be happy and we have media

918
1:37:11 --> 1:37:18
we have movies you know we have this we have that then we are happy but it's not true we are happy

919
1:37:18 --> 1:37:26
if we are surrounded with people who actually give us warmth give us acceptance criticize us

920
1:37:26 --> 1:37:36
and that we can have a dignified life with them and that is the ultimate that is the ultimate goal

921
1:37:36 --> 1:37:43
and that maybe takes takes me back to that aspect of medicine and of doctors and also of artificial

922
1:37:43 --> 1:37:52
intelligence which we had the last time I mean a medical doctor is also a person of confidence

923
1:37:52 --> 1:38:03
for the patients and actually at at all levels literally where he or she feels unwell and if the

924
1:38:03 --> 1:38:11
medical profession is too much divided in specialties right the specialist can no longer or have the

925
1:38:11 --> 1:38:21
tendency not to see the human being as a whole and whereas actually a patient I think wants to see

926
1:38:21 --> 1:38:30
somebody where he can confide in about his well-being in a very general sense and because

927
1:38:30 --> 1:38:39
that requires empathy from the medical person it's also clear that this interaction cannot be

928
1:38:39 --> 1:38:49
replied replaced by artificial intelligence yeah I agree with you Hans so you're very insightful

929
1:38:51 --> 1:39:01
thank you yeah yeah well as a physicist you want to try to explain things yes yes so um

930
1:39:04 --> 1:39:11
Hans Benjamin the question that this group has often grappled with and your perspective as an

931
1:39:11 --> 1:39:18
educator particularly you know in terms of you know we're seeing the universities that have been

932
1:39:18 --> 1:39:24
taken over by the woke brigade but in your long experience here we've you know we've got the

933
1:39:24 --> 1:39:30
people on the fence on the virus debate we've got people who would would give their lives to say of

934
1:39:30 --> 1:39:37
course there's viruses and then there's those who say this is a total fraud what are your perspectives

935
1:39:37 --> 1:39:44
on you know on on you know Stephen created this group and there are people in those three camps

936
1:39:44 --> 1:39:46
and all along that spectrum

937
1:39:48 --> 1:39:54
for me that's entirely okay that that's part of scientific discussion I mean every every single

938
1:39:54 --> 1:40:03
group needs to put their hypothesis and the facts which are consistent with their hypothesis it's

939
1:40:03 --> 1:40:09
also I think we need to go back to I think people tend to forget you know Poppe and Kuhn you know

940
1:40:09 --> 1:40:19
the science philosophers it is a scientific theory is actually one it's valid as a scientific

941
1:40:19 --> 1:40:27
theory if it can be objected it's not if it can be confirmed but it needs to have the quality that

942
1:40:27 --> 1:40:39
you can actually disprove it so only again so so a prop a hypothesis is only a proper hypothesis

943
1:40:39 --> 1:40:45
if it's capable of being disproved is that correct exactly exactly so that exactly exactly

944
1:40:45 --> 1:40:54
exactly and and also actually the act of confirming a hypothesis is much less important than actually

945
1:40:54 --> 1:41:04
trying to find to contradict it and with the whole publication circus which we have

946
1:41:04 --> 1:41:11
glossy magazines you know and ever more elaborate figures we are actually in the trap of trying to

947
1:41:11 --> 1:41:20
find confirming one and the same thing again and again and very little credit is being given to

948
1:41:20 --> 1:41:29
those or groups or whatever who actually try to challenge the existing hypotheses

949
1:41:30 --> 1:41:38
absolutely always at this point where really big progress happened so hans have they do you think

950
1:41:38 --> 1:41:47
that there's a policy or a strategy to actively discourage people um hypothesizing because that's

951
1:41:47 --> 1:41:52
what we've always done that's what medical doctors did and all of a sudden they stopped

952
1:41:52 --> 1:41:58
I mean I I can say it out of my own experience which is I mean that's maybe it sounds a bit

953
1:41:58 --> 1:42:05
egotistical but it is my experience so I can talk about it I would say every single thing not that

954
1:42:05 --> 1:42:14
many things but maybe three four which I did in my career which I thought were really leaps forward

955
1:42:15 --> 1:42:28
every single one was silenced I mean but really side so um the first one was work which I did on

956
1:42:28 --> 1:42:40
the limits of data storage I think I mentioned that in my talk um so I was deriving limits

957
1:42:40 --> 1:42:47
how the dimensions of materials of crystals literally have to be chosen in these platters

958
1:42:47 --> 1:42:57
of hard disks such that thermal fluctuations are not detrimental and I gave a criterion about this

959
1:42:57 --> 1:43:04
like nearly 30 years ago you know 27 years ago and as a theorist you never get a patent that's

960
1:43:04 --> 1:43:09
another thing you know just write it down you publish it and then it just disappeared and it's

961
1:43:09 --> 1:43:17
only about a couple of years ago that I found out the existing materials which you have in all those

962
1:43:17 --> 1:43:25
hard disk drives in all data centers they exactly satisfy that criterion you know they're chosen so

963
1:43:25 --> 1:43:30
they whether they used it or they figured it out but that's again a thing you as an academic you

964
1:43:30 --> 1:43:35
find oh this is an interesting challenging problem you do it you write down the solution

965
1:43:35 --> 1:43:40
and then there is the industry which has zero interest and I think you can translate that

966
1:43:40 --> 1:43:48
probably one to one with the medical industry they have zero interest to give you any credit

967
1:43:48 --> 1:43:55
for it because that would be a financial loss right so so there is no interest so then you

968
1:43:55 --> 1:44:01
are trapped as a researcher if you do research then your colleagues say oh he does applied stuff

969
1:44:03 --> 1:44:09
you know that's not really cutting-edge stuff that's applied so what are you doing right and

970
1:44:09 --> 1:44:15
on the other on the other side you're totally silenced and that partially answers your question

971
1:44:15 --> 1:44:21
you know does the system not really give support that and I would say well it does not only support

972
1:44:21 --> 1:44:31
it actually it hinders it because ultimately this is these are things which bring humanity forward

973
1:44:32 --> 1:44:40
yes and that's what they want to kill because they can't control the the autonomous scientist

974
1:44:40 --> 1:44:46
who and autonomous scientists in the plural so what they've done is they've controlled the funding

975
1:44:47 --> 1:44:53
they've said that this is the way to do randomized controls trials clinical trials very expensive to

976
1:44:53 --> 1:44:58
conduct and the only people who can afford to conduct them are the establishment yeah yeah

977
1:44:58 --> 1:45:06
exactly but those are the big labs right with the gigantic labs and I think I think also there this

978
1:45:06 --> 1:45:12
is a really that's a complete paradigm shift when this funding stuff occurred because before look at

979
1:45:12 --> 1:45:18
for example Einstein he wrote the paper and I think it was even his his famous paper on the Einstein

980
1:45:18 --> 1:45:26
Podolsky-Rosen paradox he sent it to physical reviews and then the editor wrote back well I

981
1:45:26 --> 1:45:33
cannot decide yet I have to send it to referees okay and Einstein replied I didn't ask you to

982
1:45:33 --> 1:45:41
send it out to referees I asked you to publish it so the last thing you want so when you've got

983
1:45:41 --> 1:45:48
someone who's incredibly creative the last thing you want is a committee judging whether it's

984
1:45:48 --> 1:45:54
worthy of publication yeah that that's something actually that you're committing by definition

985
1:45:55 --> 1:46:01
yeah yeah it I call it in physically call it a mean field theory if you have a theory which

986
1:46:01 --> 1:46:07
average out averages out all fluctuations all over a system you know it just flattens out everything

987
1:46:08 --> 1:46:13
then this is called mean field and actually certain things you can describe but certain

988
1:46:13 --> 1:46:19
fine features of phase transitions are completely it's completely off right you just don't get them

989
1:46:20 --> 1:46:26
and if you eliminate fluctuations you know that you know that from evolution right evolution

990
1:46:26 --> 1:46:31
actually happens in the tails of a distribution it doesn't happen where the maximum is of the

991
1:46:31 --> 1:46:39
guys how can it you know it happens very far out in the tails so if you cut off if you say oh we

992
1:46:39 --> 1:46:45
cut off a plus minus sigma right that's it and all the rest is kind of pathological and wrong and

993
1:46:45 --> 1:46:55
weird well then you have destroyed evolution you know absolutely so is this compromise always bad

994
1:46:55 --> 1:47:05
and in your opinion um I think in science I would say big groups and I mean that's my statement I

995
1:47:05 --> 1:47:12
would say the creativity goes down like one over the number of co-authors in a paper absolutely

996
1:47:13 --> 1:47:21
so because because you have I mean at least because you have to maybe it's even exponential

997
1:47:21 --> 1:47:28
I don't know it's because if you have really something which is new then you wrestle with

998
1:47:28 --> 1:47:32
yourself actually and you try to check it you know from different angles and that's a very

999
1:47:32 --> 1:47:37
creative and also painful it's actually literally a painful process because you're sitting here at

1000
1:47:37 --> 1:47:41
night and you say nothing makes sense and usually it's at those moments where you're completely

1001
1:47:41 --> 1:47:46
desperate right and you want the whole want to throw the whole thing out the window that's

1002
1:47:46 --> 1:47:53
usually when you say when you suddenly oh wow now I've found it right already that is nearly

1003
1:47:53 --> 1:47:58
impossible to do that with two people you know you just can't you know you kind of call your

1004
1:47:58 --> 1:48:03
colleague in the middle of night you say yeah and then you and then you enter a sort of arguing

1005
1:48:03 --> 1:48:09
battle and the whole creativity is lost you know absolutely so that was what we were discussing

1006
1:48:09 --> 1:48:17
the other night that so people to have the confidence to think on their own without

1007
1:48:17 --> 1:48:24
checking with someone else that is a popular opinion exactly and what requires such individuals

1008
1:48:24 --> 1:48:32
and if the whole education system is actually designed not to create such individuals you

1009
1:48:32 --> 1:48:38
you have wrecked the whole system sure so then you've got a mobile phone system the smartphones

1010
1:48:38 --> 1:48:46
you know and the social media and the whole thing is designed to teach children to seek popularity

1011
1:48:46 --> 1:48:53
through likes and pictures of hearts you know which is this mean field right that's

1012
1:48:54 --> 1:49:00
essentially a one with the crowd which means evolution is gone right so it's brainwashing

1013
1:49:00 --> 1:49:05
the one with the crowd yeah yeah plus it's an addiction it's a dangerous addiction

1014
1:49:08 --> 1:49:15
yeah yeah yeah no it's it's it's you're absolutely right and that's why I say we need to I mean

1015
1:49:15 --> 1:49:21
when it needs to start I mean from the bottom up at the education with children and that they

1016
1:49:21 --> 1:49:27
actually go out I mean I used to I used to be outside all the time okay on my own but I was

1017
1:49:27 --> 1:49:34
you know looking around in nature and I was I was I had a decent garden so I could study how

1018
1:49:34 --> 1:49:41
the plants grow and I could you know have my own seeds and do experiments with that and of course

1019
1:49:41 --> 1:49:47
not everybody is like that you know you can't force it but at least give children the chance

1020
1:49:47 --> 1:49:54
that they can get interested in that because if they don't even see the chance how would they

1021
1:49:54 --> 1:49:58
ever know whether they are interested in it or not you know but Hans they haven't got they haven't

1022
1:49:58 --> 1:50:05
got time to to experiment in their in their gardens now because they've got to seek because

1023
1:50:05 --> 1:50:14
everything is yeah yeah yeah I know I know and that is also I mean that's the big gift of of

1024
1:50:14 --> 1:50:22
childhood is that children have time I mean I created all sorts of games when I was a child

1025
1:50:22 --> 1:50:28
just you know because we we didn't have like you know an abundance of money so I just did the games

1026
1:50:28 --> 1:50:34
I looked up how these games work and then I I took paper and cardboard I drew them myself you know

1027
1:50:34 --> 1:50:41
and I mean it works just as well as a game as as a glossy thing which other people already made up

1028
1:50:42 --> 1:50:50
and that that's and that kind of aspect you know needs to be

1029
1:50:50 --> 1:50:57
children need to have that freedom again you know because they then they can also discover themselves

1030
1:50:57 --> 1:51:04
as as as full human beings as entire human beings because that's what I

1031
1:51:05 --> 1:51:12
maybe we should be concentrating on setting up schools again around Europe and America

1032
1:51:12 --> 1:51:18
Australia you know proper schools where they actually teach children something that's worth

1033
1:51:18 --> 1:51:25
knowing yes yes yes and also I mean a school that I mean the last thing you teach children a

1034
1:51:25 --> 1:51:33
programming language I mean I mean how how brain dead is that absolutely I mean you can do that

1035
1:51:33 --> 1:51:38
you know before you have your high school you do that but if you actually are being taught in for

1036
1:51:38 --> 1:51:45
example in really learning a language I mean I for example I learned Greek and Latin and that was

1037
1:51:45 --> 1:51:51
sort of an analytical process as well and it also gives you insight into history into culture into

1038
1:51:51 --> 1:52:00
pastimes into philosophy and everything and once you know a structure of a language I mean you learn

1039
1:52:00 --> 1:52:07
a programming language in a couple of lectures in the evening yeah anyway once you actually have

1040
1:52:07 --> 1:52:11
ended school then the program at the popular programming language is a different one so what

1041
1:52:11 --> 1:52:21
you just need to have actually one you need to have this syntactic let's say core right and once

1042
1:52:21 --> 1:52:27
you have that you can build it around and I think we now build everything like a shell all these

1043
1:52:27 --> 1:52:36
shells but we don't build the robust foundations anymore you know from which we cannot much well

1044
1:52:36 --> 1:52:41
let me let me show you the wheel of action that's been shared with this group Hans Benjamin

1045
1:52:42 --> 1:52:51
and this wheel of action I'm awaiting for that and proposes those 12 key educational areas

1046
1:52:51 --> 1:53:01
so this whole issue of what that would look like so there's been some thinking done on this I will

1047
1:53:02 --> 1:53:13
I will you know email this to you it's a useful tool it's seven clear steps and the

1048
1:53:13 --> 1:53:23
tied into your point of education I'll also share shortly a piece that in 1776 at the time of

1049
1:53:23 --> 1:53:31
independence to get into to finish school you needed to be able to speak Greek and Latin

1050
1:53:31 --> 1:53:40
Stephen in America and England the educational demands on students were 50 times greater than

1051
1:53:40 --> 1:53:45
what they are today absolutely yeah yeah yeah you needed Latin to get into medical school for

1052
1:53:45 --> 1:53:56
example yes but interestingly interestingly Charles and Hans and everybody I wanted my to

1053
1:53:56 --> 1:54:02
explore I learned I learned Latin at school and I was pretty good at it actually unfortunately our

1054
1:54:03 --> 1:54:10
two of our Latin teachers had a predilection for suicide and one shot himself I think he wasn't

1055
1:54:10 --> 1:54:14
really but and the other very unfortunately walked into the sea and kept on walking

1056
1:54:15 --> 1:54:20
in January and so that was very sad and I you know as a child I was thinking well is this something

1057
1:54:20 --> 1:54:31
about Latin you know that drives people to suicide and I shouldn't laugh but the thing was that I

1058
1:54:31 --> 1:54:37
wanted to expose my children to Latin and and then I realized that actually they couldn't learn Latin

1059
1:54:37 --> 1:54:43
in the in the schools even in the private schools so I thought well I'm not going to be stopped I'm

1060
1:54:43 --> 1:54:48
going to pay for private lessons for my three children and I did do and I don't regret it

1061
1:54:48 --> 1:54:54
because actually that's the one subject which they now say that they benefited most from well have a

1062
1:54:54 --> 1:55:02
read of this Hans Benjamin everybody why we need to go back to educational standards of the 1700s

1063
1:55:02 --> 1:55:08
they also studied the philosophers as grade school children yep and here's this quote when

1064
1:55:08 --> 1:55:15
Alexander Hamilton entered King's entered King's College he in 70 yeah expect the mastery of Greek

1065
1:55:15 --> 1:55:22
and Latin grand bounties three orations from Cicero Virgil's Aeneid able to translate the first 10

1066
1:55:22 --> 1:55:29
chapters of the gospel from Greek into Latin Thomas Jefferson Latin Greek and French how's this

1067
1:55:29 --> 1:55:37
isn't that extraordinary that's great Charles that's really great it's just yeah it just blows

1068
1:55:37 --> 1:55:43
my mind we think we've progressed Hans Benjamin so you're an educator I mean you are dealing with

1069
1:55:43 --> 1:55:48
the end results of this schooling system and we've you know we all think we all have a view on

1070
1:55:48 --> 1:55:53
education because of course we're all experts in it because we've all been educated but I think

1071
1:55:54 --> 1:56:00
I think Hans is very unusual in the world of education particularly you know so so it seems

1072
1:56:00 --> 1:56:05
to me that the professors are the most afraid of speaking out so one thing that you've got these

1073
1:56:05 --> 1:56:12
wonderful views Hans but you are prepared to share them with us that's really great and you're not

1074
1:56:12 --> 1:56:18
you know I was telling someone about you I said you're just telling you're a nice guy you just

1075
1:56:18 --> 1:56:26
tell your story there's no animus you're not as angry as I am about what's happened but um but

1076
1:56:26 --> 1:56:33
your your integrity is just beyond you know nobody listening to you can doubt your integrity and

1077
1:56:33 --> 1:56:43
your humanity and Stephen as as El Exec reminded us with kindness yes and very courageous but not

1078
1:56:43 --> 1:56:51
kind of in a dare not not you know not taunting not taunting our enemies you're just saying what

1079
1:56:51 --> 1:56:58
you're what you think and saying to these people to anyone challenge me if you can and they can't do

1080
1:56:58 --> 1:57:07
it all right so so um it's two hours and five minutes so I'm going to stop the recording

1081
1:57:07 --> 1:57:12
unless someone wants to make a statement and then we can you know there's there's a chat but I've got

1082
1:57:12 --> 1:57:19
other stuff to do so I'm glad we're finished early um so Hans Benjamin we will do our best to

1083
1:57:19 --> 1:57:28
spread your message and um so anyone else wants to raise any topic so we don't have to focus on you

1084
1:57:28 --> 1:57:32
Hans Benjamin but I'm delighted that you are here to reinforce what you've done

1085
1:57:32 --> 1:57:37
um so I'll stop the recording and then we can have a free for all