So Paul, we are a group of doctors, lawyers, physicians, scientists, physicists, troublemakers,
journalists, all orchestrated by Stephen and friends of Stephen.
And so I moderate this so that Stephen can relax while he does the work during the week.
And we're happy to listen to you for 40 minutes, 50 minutes, or 10 minutes and questions.
Yeah, I mean, I would prefer it is I mean, I can talk whatever, but I think to have a discussion,
I find always useful, which has been the problem with COVID is we've been censored so that you
can't have conversations. And I think a conversation, you know, science is based on people talking and
exchanging ideas. And, you know, I learn stuff all the time just by talking to people.
So would you like, if you gave us a 10, five minute story about your background,
and then I can moderate the questions, we'll do it. We'll try it. We'll try this verbally.
So we'll have a conversation as you request, and people put their hand up, and we'll take them in
order. Stephen goes first, and then we'll do the rest in order. You happy to do that?
Sure, I can do anything. I mean, if you want to, I can do a singing and dance routine.
Paul, what would be really great is, I think, having viewed what the evidence you gave to
Senator Johnson, I think that you would be really good to explain the practice of medicine to
the people on the call, because I don't think a lot of people who are doctors,
understand what it's about. So I was saying to my own family, for example, the governments were
saying around the world, follow the science, and I was saying, no, follow the medicine.
And I was thinking, where are the doctors? What's happened to them? Yes. So that would be very
useful, I think, because they've heard some of it from me. But I'm sure you, a professor in the
medical school, and a medical doctor, would have very good grasp of how medicine should be,
and how it's been corrupted since March 2020, how totally corrupted it's been.
Yeah, I mean, it's so perplexing what's going on. And, you know, for me, the biggest tragedy is
why so many people have their eyes shut and their ears closed, and have just no idea. I mean,
it's, you know, you just look what's going on around, and you just can't be blind. And yet,
yet the public are so brainwashed, doctors are brainwashed. And then, you know, you just dare to
question the narrative, then you're an anti-facts, misinformation, trouble shooting person.
But, you know, I've come to believe that this is a very, this is not just a,
this is not just a COVID thing. There's a very big agenda at that's going on. That's very sinister.
What exactly it is, I don't know. I don't like to think about it. And, you know, my thoughts have
evolved, you know, from time to time, you know, each time I thought it was some kind of conspiracy,
and then it actually turns out to be true. And so I don't know what the truth is anymore.
You know, I'm reading stuff on HIV, it seems like HIV doesn't cause AIDS. I mean, this is such a
remarkable concept, is that there are these massive misinformation, propaganda agendas that
don't allow people to, you know, exchange ideas and to talk and to
raise alternative hypotheses. I mean, the concept to me, that AIDS is not caused by HIV is just so
bizarre, that it's difficult to get your head around. You know, I was reading about dinosaurs,
maybe dinosaurs didn't happen. I was reading that maybe the moon landing was all staged.
So, you know what, I don't know what's true and what's not true anymore. Certainly, 9-11
was the story we were told was not the true story. And actually, I was in Dallas recently, and I
went to the JFK Memorial and the story we told is certainly not the true story. So, you know,
if there's a plot to kill the president, and clearly there was, you know, where's the limit?
I don't know. So I'm having personally, I'm struggling with dealing with what's real and
what's not real. I think we all are. Yes, as Paul, as they say in the classics, the difference
between a conspiracy and a conspiracy theory is six months, rapidly reducing to one month.
Yeah, I mean, that seems to be, you know, when, you know, the idea came out that this was a manmade
virus, you know, people thought this was a conspiracy, they wrote it was a conspiracy.
But I mean, I think the overwhelming majority of data, you know, this, this, this is manmade.
And then there was idea that this was an accidental leak, you know, it seems like it was a,
this is all by design. And so there are lots of very disturbing things about this whole story.
So I don't know, whenever you're ready, I can start talking.
Before you get started, may I say something, Stephen?
Sure.
If you, you have just said that you're confused, we're all confused, just like Stephen said,
can you imagine how the general public feels?
Exactly. That's what I've been thinking.
That can you just imagine when we can't even sort through it, who are working with this every
single day of our lives for the last two and almost half years now, you can imagine how the
public feels. But I do want to say something to you. Paul, I want to say this. My husband
has terrible asthma, and he was in the hospital with COVID. He was in the hospital for 222 days.
And he was on the ventilator for six and a half weeks. I want to thank you personally.
I've already thanked Dr. Pierre Corey, because I demanded the math protocol.
My husband is alive today because of that protocol. And I want to thank you.
Thank you. So it's stories like yours that keep me going.
Because I've lost a lot. But you know what, we have to continue. Sorry.
No, that's fine. I see your tears. I see your genuine concern.
But that is not what the public has seen from other dogs.
Yeah. Unfortunately, the propaganda is such a mean they've hired public relations companies,
they've spent billions and billions of dollars on propaganda. This is nothing more than propaganda
and misinformation. And it's deliberate and by design to fulfill their agenda.
And that's the tragedy. Because you know, you try speak to normal people, they think you've got
three heads when you suggest an alternative narrative. Just because you know what they see
on TV, what they read, what social media, it's such a brilliantly coordinated public relations
campaign that, you know, what we're trying to say, what we're talking seems so preposterous,
because it's either their reality. And I mean, if doctors are confused, you can see why the
public are confused, because they've been fed all of this misinformation.
Yes, that's the tragedy.
So Stephen, can you make me a co host, please?
Sorry.
Carla Dean, thank you for that most moving message to Paul, just to, you know, put him,
throw him off his confidence and put tears in his eyes. Well done.
Wait a minute, is that a compliment or not?
It's a big compliment. Yes, of course.
Thank you.
Paul, over to you.
I've done it, Charles.
So, you know what, maybe I'll just start with my story. And if you have any questions, you can just
back in or whatever.
And then address what Stephen asked. Stephen, could you repeat again what you would like Paul
to cover first after his story?
Well, yes, but he maybe hasn't prepared for it. So I don't want to push it too hard. So, Paul,
I think what would really benefit people would be for you to outline some of what we learned at
medical school so that they understand in a medical situation, you let doctors get on with it.
You don't come along with a bunch of scientists with data or lawyers with evidence, which is
provable beyond reasonable doubts or beyond the bounds of probability or whatever.
So, doctors sort out medical situations and it was astonishing to me that they lay down before
their governments and their governments had not a clue what was going on because they were advised
by corrupt people. The government was probably corrupt as well. So, if you could wind in your
understanding of what we both know was taught to us at medical school, including particularly the
medical ethics, the Nuremberg Code, informed consent, if you know about those things, if it's
on your tongue, and human medical experimentation, which is what the Nuremberg Code is about. And
my view, which is what I said in the email to you, but you haven't seen it clearly, was that all
the measures taken in the name of this single coronavirus were not medically justifiable.
And constituted medical human medical experimentation in violation of the Nuremberg Code.
That's my personal opinion. I don't mean. Yeah, so I agree with you. So, you know, I think
medicine, medical science has been corrupt for a while. I think the control that Big Pharma
has on medicine, the medical curriculum, medical schools, journals has been there for a long time.
You know, if you just look at NIH funding of medical schools, 55% of NIH grant goes to the
medical school, just as a bonus. So medical schools are really funded by the NIH, and they don't want
to go against the NIH. And they obviously have different agendas. You know, when I look at
nutrition, you know, one of my interests is nutrition. I think medical students spend an
hour in the entire curriculum, you know, on nutrition. The rest is on, you know, pharmacology
and drugs. You get very little tuition on lifestyle and health style choices get lit,
almost no tuition on medical ethics. So it's a and, you know, I think COVID has brought this out
right to the front because it's made it really extreme. But I think, you know, I was fortunate
to be a South African student and medical student, and I was brought up in a bizarre country.
But you know what we were taught to think, maybe because we were in such a bizarre situation,
and to some degree, we had this, you know, guilt complex. So we were super sensitive to
doing the right thing, being morally and ethically correct. And, you know, doing the right thing.
So maybe that's that was part of my genes, which makes it difficult to operate in the US.
So, you know, my story is I'm an intensivist. I've practiced critical care for 35 years.
I've always had an interest outside, you know, the biggest scope of medicine.
You know, I'm board certified in nutrition support. I was interested in alternative medicine.
I love the ICU because it's a place where you could practice medicine, you could see physiology,
you could manipulate physiology. And that's where my love was. COVID, you know, changed things.
So, you know, how this really started was in March of 2020. You know, once COVID came to New York,
if you remember, there was no specific guidance on the treatment of this disease in New York.
You know, if you're on a ventilator, 80 to 90 percent of people were dying.
And the WHO said the treatment was supportive. Now, I mean, any physician would say that's absurd.
This is a disease that has a high mortality. How can you do nothing? You at least have to try
something. And I was always taught, you know, you've got to leave no stone unturned. So it was at
that point that we started, I started with the, what was then the EVMS protocol for the treatment
of COVID. We suggested steroids. And this is really based on our bedside observation,
our understanding of the disease input from Dr. Maduri. And we were ridiculed. The WHO, the NIH,
the CDC advised strongly against the use of steroids. But you know what, we were at the bedside,
we could see this was an inflammatory disease and we saw it worked. And so our protocol has
evolved with time. And really it's based on the best science, because I think that's what we should
follow. And obviously it's a dynamic process, because I think we understand a lot more now
than we did then. We still got a lot to learn. And I exchanged information with colleagues across
the world. And it's amazing how useful that is to speak to like-minded people who treat this disease.
And that was really, you know, very helpful because, you know, they would come up with ideas I
never thought of. And so that's how a protocol evolved. My medical school embraced me. Really,
I was like the local hero until about May of 221, when then I became the villain, because,
you know, we had suggested using ivermectin as part of the protocol, not as the entire protocol
back in October. And nobody seemed to mind. But suddenly, you know, when the NIH and the WHO and
the FDA went on this propaganda campaign, you know, you're not a horse, you're not a cow, stop it. And
they actually sent out letters to every health, you know, state health agency saying that this is
toxic horse deworming medicine. You know, ivermectin became undesirable and I became
undesirable. I was an undesirable person. But what I did is, you know, I treat patients, you know,
the bedside. And I do as best I can. I think guidelines are fine. But they're guidelines.
They never a mandate, they never a law because no two patients are ever the same. They're never
the same. And the clinician has to use his clinical judgment. So up until October, I was using our
math plus protocol, which I think was based on really good science, randomized control trials,
you know, using flu voxamine and do test to ride and finesse to ride and vitamin C.
And I was having really good results, but I wasn't using remdesivir because as we know,
it failed in Ebola. It's a toxic drug. It increases the risk of renal failure 20 fold.
And the data shows that it doesn't decrease mortality on the converse, it increases it.
And it's, you know, what I've come to understand is you can't trust the data from big pharma.
They just dishonest. They just dishonest and manipulate data because they're not interested
in human lives or humanity. They're interested in profits. So I refuse to use remdesivir.
And I use the medicines that I thought helped my patients the best. I was doing what doctors do
is they look at their patients, they come up with a treatment plan and they do what's best for their
patients. And these were FDA approved drugs. It's not like I was using experimental therapies.
And then the hospital banned me using these drugs. At first, I didn't quite understand why I was being
banned, but I think I was going against the narrative. I was going against the narrative,
which is being promulgated by the NIH, the CDC, the federal government, all these agencies.
If you look at the NIH guidelines, remdesivir and dexamethasone. So I was going strictly against
this and I was having better outcomes. And that was not acceptable. It was not acceptable to go
against the narrative. And that's what it really was all about, is that I did what I, what doctors
should do. And I refused. So they prevented me treating my patients the way I wanted to.
I did it for a week, which was one of the most difficult weeks of my career because I basically
stood there hamstrung. There was nothing I could do. And I had a 31-year-old woman, a 42-year-old
man. I had seven patients with COVID that all died. All of them died. And you know what? They
may have died despite what I did, but at least give the doctor the opportunity to do what doctors do,
is to do whatever they can to save their patient's life. I was prevented from doing that. And I was
prevented because I was going against the narrative. And I've realized now that there are very strong
incentives why you follow the narrative. They want you to follow the narrative for treatment,
but most importantly, they've instilled fear into the public into being vaccinated. There's this myth
that vaccines are safe and effective, safe and effective. And the only way out of this is
vaccination. So there are a number of narratives that are being driven by big pharma, but probably
also by big industry, large financial institutions, governments. So this was going against the
narrative, and that's not acceptable. And that's kind of what led to my losing my job is that it's
not acceptable. Human life is absolutely irrelevant. It's about this agenda they have.
So that's kind of my opening story. I've become more enthused with what's actually going on.
We were naive when we started this. We thought we'd come up with a protocol,
people accept the protocol, we treat people and COVID would go away. They did not want COVID to
go away. They wanted COVID to stay. They wanted to instill fear so that people could so-called get
vaccinated. That's part of their agenda. And I'm not sure what these things are. They're not really
vaccines. They're basically experimental gene therapy. So that's kind of my story.
I've actually managed patients. I've looked after hundreds of patients with COVID. So I think I
understand COVID. I've communicated with hundreds of doctors who are interested in discussing how
to treat COVID. And unfortunately, every day I get terrible emails, much like Carol Dean's story
with people stuck in hospital begging for help. And it's heartbreaking. It's heartbreaking when
it's a 42-year-old man with two or three kids that's going to die from COVID who should not have died.
And obviously, you know, you look at the consent form for the vaccine. It's not a consent form.
They do not list the risks, the complications, alternative therapy. It's forced inoculation
against people's will. People get remdesivir in the hospital without informed consent. They just
give it. They're not told the risks and benefits. So, you know, you talk about patients, basically
in hospitals in the U.S., patients are prisoners. They are imprisoned. They have no rights. They have
no advocate. They have no one speaking for them. Their family's not allowed in the hospital.
The hospitals do what they want to do without really discussing the risks. They don't want to
discuss it with the patient or the family. So COVID has unfortunately made a bad situation
infinitely worse. You know, I'm a critical care doctor, and I have to say that hospitals are
dangerous places for sick people these days. Patients have no rights. They have no advocates.
And they are basically prisoners of the system.
All right, Paul, thank you for this. Now, tradition here, I'll be reading questions out to you.
They're in the chat, and then we'll go to chat, verbal chat after that. But first, tradition is
that Stephen gets to ask the first questions of you. Sure. It won't be hard, Paul. You said you were
prevented from practicing medicine as you had... You didn't use those words, but I think that's what
you meant. I just wondered, so how you learned medicine at medical school and then in your
training and then your experience, obviously, as you progressed to professor, how did they
prevent you from practicing medicine as you wished? What would they have done if you had
continued doing what you wanted to? Because you were a big noise in that medical school,
as I understand it, and in the hospital. You know, I mean, you ask a good question. I mean,
you know, part of looking after patients, you always think about a differential diagnosis.
The differential diagnosis is so fundamental to medicine, and then you consider what the different
therapeutic treatments are, and that's regardless of any kind of financial interest. And then you
do what you think's in the patient's best interest, which is the way I was trained to practice medicine,
is that you should do what's in the patient's best interest. You should treat the patient
as if the patient was your mother or father or you would want them to get that treatment.
You want to give them the best and you don't discriminate. You know, if they're an alcoholic,
a drug abuser, if they're off the street or they're a millionaire, there's equity. You don't
distinguish how you treat people by their status in life. I mean, you know, if they're a smoker,
you're going to treat them differently. You know, if they're vaccinated, you're going to
treat them. You treat them like they were your own family. That's the way I was taught.
What's happened with COVID is we've been told by the NIH how to treat people. And at first,
I thought maybe this was a guideline. No, this is a mandate. This is what you have to do. This is
how you treat them, which goes against the whole fabric of medicine. And basically what happened,
they actually told the pharmacy not to dispense the medicines that I was prescribing.
They banned them. I was banned from using FDA approved medications, including vitamin C.
I was, the pharmacy would not dispense them. So, I mean, the hospital was practicing medicine.
The hospital was telling doctors how to practice medicine. The state was telling doctors how to
practice medicine. So, you know, that's why our slogan is let doctors be doctors. We should let
them decide. So I'm not telling you or anybody else how to practice medicine. The doctor should
decide for himself, but we should not have outside entities who have profound financial
interests determining how we manage patients. And, you know, in your hospital and in your
medical school, who exactly were the opposition? Who? So, you know, it's a really good question
who they are because they're faceless. And I mean, so basically the chief quality officer put out
the statement, which was directed at me personally, but was sent throughout the whole healthcare system
of 18 hospitals. So the system consists of 18 hospitals. They sent around this memo from the
so-called chief quality officer, basically saying that these drugs will no longer be dispensed by
the pharmacy. Where that came from, I don't know. I don't think it came from him alone. I think he
was pressurized. Was he pressurized by the CEO of the hospital? Was the CEO of the hospital pressurized?
So nobody will really tell me who. So, you know, basically I became a, from being a hero,
I became an undesirable. Nobody wanted to talk to me because I think it became clear
that people knew I was questioning the status quo. I was questioning the safety of vaccines. And you
know what? Medicine is based on asking questions. In fact, I had tenure and, you know, the origins
of tenure in the forties was to protect scientists from being, you know, giving them academic freedom
to say and do what they want to do, because it was felt it's in the best interest of society
if you raise controversial issues to discuss. But even though I was tenured, I was essentially
silenced. And then I was told how to practice medicine. But how, how, how did they think that
they wouldn't get any criticism? I mean, who was the guy who actually sent out the letter? Who signed
the letter? It was signed by the chief quality officer, a guy by the name of Bundy. We call him
Ted Bundy because I think he fits into that category. It was signed by him. And what were his
qualifications? So he hadn't seen a patient for six or seven years. I think he was a nephrologist
previously, probably not a good one, because who goes into hospital administration is people who,
who don't do well as doctors. So here this, this hospital administrator is telling, you know,
a tenured professor how to practice medicine. Exactly. Ridiculous. But you know, unfortunately,
this has become a systemic problem in this country, and probably abroad is if you go against the
narrative. So the question is, is, is they don't want you to question what they're telling you.
So there's a very smart woman in Maine by the name of Meryl Ness. She's a very smart woman.
Yes. So she was she got she would got reported to the Board of Medicine because she had suggested
suggested people use hydroxychloroquine, or either make them for COVID. She had a medical license
rescinded, they took away her license. But what they even did further is they referred her for
neuropsychiatric testing, basically accusing her of being so mentally disabled, or, or disturbed
that she would actually order these medications. So they wanted to make an example of her
to basically say, I mean, this is, this is like the Holocaust. This is like,
why did she go along with that narrative? If she did, she had no option, her license was removed.
They removed they, they removed her medical license. But you don't have to submit to a
neuropsychiatric examination when you suspect that there are malign reasons for that examination.
Yes. So she is fine. She writes, she's a very smart woman. She does have a legal background. So she is
fighting this, this mandate or this requirement that she does go neuropsychiatric testing,
which is clearly absurd, clearly punitive, clearly unacceptable. So she is fighting it.
But unfortunately, they removed a medical license. So that prohibits her from practicing.
And this is unfortunately the power that these agencies have. If you go against the narrative.
There is no narrative for doctors. No, but there's a new narrative. The new narrative is safe and
effective, safe and effective. You don't question it. And you follow the NIH protocol. That's the
narrative. And it's absurd. It's that's, that's what it is. You, you, you, these are laws that
come from higher powers, the NIH, and you follow the NIH guideline to a letter. If you even question
it, you're not following the narratives. It's truly astonishing. And now we know that the NIH,
from what I can see of Robert Kennedy's book, is completely corrupt, as is Fauci.
Yes. So I mean, you know, yes, the FDA, the NIH, the CDC are controlled by big pharma. You know,
that's who they work for. They work for big pharma. They're not working for the tax paying
American public. They work for big pharma. They're controlled by big pharma. Many of the NIH
committees have, the members have profound financial ties to big pharma. Big pharma
controls, I mean, they, they're the biggest sponsors of Congress people. They give money to
Republicans and Democrats alike, because they don't care. They want to control the narrative. They
want to control Congress. And with very few exceptions, maybe two or three, almost every
other congressman and senator accepts money from big pharma. Big pharma controls the press.
Big pharma controls the media. Big pharma controls social media. Big pharma controls
the Congress. Big pharma controls the FDA, the NIH, the CDC. It's just the way it is.
And if people knew this, they would reckon that these agencies are not serving the best interests
of Americans or the public or the world. It's all self-serving. I mean, you want to look at this new
drug, the new antiviral, not Paxlo, the other one. My mind has just gone blank. The Merck drug.
Ed, can you remember?
Malponever. So Malponever is a mutagenic drug. It's mutagenic. The randomized control trial showed
that patients who got placebo, patients who got placebo did better than those who got the active
drug. And yet it was approved by the FDA and the federal government bought billions of dollars of
stockpile of this drug. If that doesn't speak corruption, I don't know what does. So it's the
narrative, it's corruption, it's lies, it's disinformation. And that's the story. Unfortunately,
if people like me say the things I'm saying, you get labeled as a misinformationist and
anti-vaccination and anti-scientist and you need to be discarded.
But you're right, Paul, and they're wrong.
Yes. So you know what? You have to go by your heart. And I know I'm right. And that's why I
can't let them defeat me. And the truth will eventually emerge. You can't hide it forever.
Exactly. That's what they don't know. You cannot hide the truth forever. It will come out.
And then there's going to be a lot of accounting to be done, you know, to explain exactly what's
happened. Yes. So how long have hospitals in America been deciding over doctors?
So, you know, I think this is a COVID thing. You know, before we had guidelines, and the NIH would
have guidelines. And probably the most obnoxious one is the Surviving Sepsis Campaign guidelines,
which is not based on science, but on politics. And basically, they were thinking of making this
link to reimbursement and finance, but couldn't sway it. But they do look at it if you're
compliant. But it was a guideline. You weren't forced to do it. COVID has changed that. This is
the first that I know of that hospitals dictate unequivocally how doctors treat patients.
So if you're hospitalized, you get remdesivir and dexamethasone. So the truth is 95% of patients
are hospitalized in this country, get five days of remdesivir and six milligrams of dexamethasone.
Somehow, it's translated into the law. It's a mandate. It comes from some higher power.
And so this is what's made COVID so unprecedented, because I think this has not happened before.
Yes, exactly. So can I just, I'm nearly finished. So remdesivir is a deadly drug, as I understand it.
And yet it's the, it was at one time the only drug, you will know this, but my understanding
from the UK is that in the United States, it was the only drug that you could give
to people who'd been diagnosed with COVID-19. And so Brian Ardis, who's been on with us,
he told us about maybe four months ago now that there were 800,000 deaths from remdesivir in the
United States alone due to the mandated use of that drug. What is your understanding of this?
What is your view on that? And he also says that it's murder, mass murder.
Yeah, no. So the question is, why would a doctor give a patient a drug which is known to be toxic
and is known not to improve outcome? In fact, it's harmful. So that's immoral. It's a violation of
patients' rights. It goes against the Hippocratic oath. It's murder. And I agree. The problem is,
it's difficult to quantify its toxicity because there are very few control groups. It's like
the vaccine. What they did is there was a placebo control trial, but at six months, the placebo group
got the vaccine. So you no longer have a placebo group to follow up. The problem in the US is
almost every hospitalized patient gets remdesivir. The hospital mortality is high. So it's very
difficult to know what percentage of deaths are directly due to remdesivir. The WHO's own data
shows that it increases the risk of kidney failure by 20 fold. And we know that kidney
failure is a potent cause of adverse outcomes and death. So it's very difficult to actually
quantify the number of deaths directly due to remdesivir. But it should be a drug which is banned.
I mean, there's no reason to use it. The reason they use it is because it costs $3,000. And what
you may not know is the federal government gives hospitals a 20% bonus on the entire hospital bill.
The federal government gives the hospital a 20% bonus on the entire hospital bill for
Medicare recipients if they get remdesivir. I mean, how much more evil and sinister does it get?
Sure. Well, so Brian Ardis is prepared to give evidence in a court of law under oath
that it must be a million Americans have died from remdesivir now. But worse than that,
the people who are dying of remdesivir were then put down as COVID deaths. And then they used the
death figures to psychologically torture the populations around the world. I mean, it's just
so evil. Anyway, thank you for answering those questions. You know what? I don't know what to
say anymore. You know, it's so disheartening because this isn't the medicine that I went into.
This is not why we went into medicine. And, you know, the hard part is where's the rest of the
world? Why aren't they shouting? You know, why are they so quiet and submissive? These protocols are
killing patients. You know, we could have solved this COVID pandemic months and months and months
ago if we did the right thing, but they didn't want us to do that. Yeah. And I think that doctors,
there are lots of doctors, I think now who realized that they were suckered into whatever was going
on without them actually giving it much thought. And now they're ashamed of what they've done.
And they run away from me when I mentioned the Nuremberg code, literally. So yes, the other
perplexing thing is why doctors just go along with this because, you know, they don't have to. So
either they're ignorant, either they don't care, or they're so scared, or as you say, that they
now recognize they've made a mistake and don't know what to do. But at least, you know, they should
have a conscience. They should have some kind of humanity to say, hey, this is just wrong. People
are dying. And that's exactly what Peter McCullough said in the middle of his speech to the American
Association of Physicians and Surgeons. He was talking about his father, and he broke down as he
was relating the story. And he said, he could hardly get his words out. It's the only time I've
seen Peter McCullough lost for words. He said one by one, this is wrong. Exactly. So Peter McCullough
doesn't have to be right about everything. You know, but at least he's looked like a doctor.
And that's true of many of the doctors who've been working with him. So Peter gets criticized
because he doesn't quite get the PCR test or doesn't want, I don't know. But the thing is that
we're all working together, and we have to welcome those who want to work with us. I really want to
hold the people responsible for and complicit in these great crimes against humanity to account.
And I fear that people will want to just bury it and forget about it. And so I would be very happy
to work with you, Paul, and with others you feel are very determined to hold these people to account,
because I think there's a real risk that they'll get away. And they think that they are getting
away at the moment. Yeah, that is the tragedy. So you know, what you say is that, you know,
there are lots of Peter McCullough, Richard also, lots of people who are similar minded,
we may think slightly differently. And that's fine, because you know, that's what science is
based on. You know, and, you know, the more we discuss things, the closer we actually become
aligned together. It's truly astonishing. But what happens is we allow to have discussion.
The federal government has basically stopped a sense of discussion. Every single one of my
YouTubes gets taken down for promoting medical misinformation. It's the same with Facebook.
It's the same with all the social media. The newspapers just don't want to speak the truth.
And so that's the problem we're facing. Paul, don't you think that we as doctors,
we should emphasize clinical judgment, clinical acumen, you did mention clinical judgments earlier
on, and also ethics, medical ethics. And those are the trump cards, in my opinion.
Come on, we've got questions. We've got questions. We've got questions. Paul's got answers. I point
out, Paul, that in Australia, US, Canada, UK, at least 60% of voters are happy with what's happening,
because their lives are comfortable. Now, Stephen, before we go to the questions, we've got a lot of
them in writing, and then we've got hands up. I point out, we've got Vera Sharav on the call,
Stephen, who's a Holocaust survivor. Welcome, Vera. And so say hello to Vera. And we discussed,
we say hello, and we discussed Vera with Jessica Rose on Sunday night. So Vera, she's here. We can,
we'd like to say a couple of words, Vera, before we go to questions.
If you unmute yourself. You muted Vera.
Vera, you're still muted. Okay, okay. Can you hear me now? Yes. Okay. I just want to comment
that the preparation for what's happening in United States hospitals was done already in Obamacare,
and the author of the protocols that are being used, the murderous protocols that are being used
is Ezekiel Emanuel. He is and was pretty much the most powerful bioethicist. Okay, so it's bioethics
that prepared the so-called ethical justification for what's happened. This isn't very much known,
but that's where the protocol emanated from. I forgot the name of it. He wrote a infamous
article in The Lancet in which he expressed the opinion that anybody over 75
is really dispensable, should not be treated, should not be getting medical care as someone
in their 40s. All right, so eugenics is very much part and parcel and the groundwork
for what's happening. A value is being placed on human beings' lives. In this case, his protocol
is based on age. The most valuable people are young adolescents and young adults. At the end
of the scale are infants and the elderly. They're pretty much useless idiots. There we go. Well,
that's not true, is it Vera? Vera, if everybody had listened to you, this wouldn't have happened.
So it's not true that we can dispense with the elderly. We need people to teach the young people,
otherwise they'll be clueless. Yeah, but in other words, what I'm trying to point out simply is that
just think how insidious this whole thing is. This was before COVID. Sure. This was preparing
the groundwork for what would happen with COVID or any other virus or whatever they want to launch
on us. But the point is they had it all prepared and that protocol is currently being used as well.
And there is also an age issue there too as to who gets treated in hospitals or not. And the
fact that both in March and April of 2020 and right now, according to this protocol,
not only family not allowed to see their loved ones, they can't even use, they can't communicate
electronically. So clearly, what does this have to do with? Nothing about health, nothing about
you know, transferring viruses or anything like that. This is about, this is a machinery that
has gone in force and it's very much like the T4 during the Nazis, which affected the Germans,
not the Jews. Vera, don't you think that the decision, they wanted to separate the relatives
from their sick loved ones? So, and that's in my view, and also combined with the lack of post
mortems, the planned lack of post mortems, that is concealment of crime in my view, until proved
otherwise. Well, you know, I really think that although the medical establishment is exactly
following just as they did under the Nazis, there are thousands, really, tens of thousands
of doctors who are saying no. The problem is that really all doctors should be leaving the hospitals,
just saying we've had it, that's it. I absolutely agree. Do something on your own, get the garbage
collector to become your doctor. Exactly. You know, it's in a way the way, you know, the truckers
have tried to do and, you know, pilots. We've got to have really a doctor, well, doctors actually
have not been really versed in medical ethics. This is... So Vera, to interrupt you, I think part
of the problem is doctors are scared. So they know if they go against the current narrative against
the hospital, they'll lose their job. And having a job is a very powerful incentive for people to
keep quiet. And so, you know, I lost my job because I dared to speak out. I don't really care because
I had to do what I had to do. But in a way, they have these people under control. Not if 25 walk
out in one hospital. Sure, I agree with you, Vera. Yeah. So, you know, what we're doing is we're
trying to work with the state legislatures to, you know, get the state legislatures to prevent
this happening because it is an outrage. But it will take time. But, you know, what we need is
people to be aware of what's happening. Unfortunately, most of the time, like you guys,
it's preaching to the choir. It's those people, you know, the 60% of people who think everything
is fine. They're the ones that need their eyes opened up because everything isn't fine.
Absolutely. But they will be caught out, unfortunately, because they'll be on the
wrong side of history and they'll find themselves in Nuremberg type trials.
Yeah. And they'll also get caught out when a loved one gets sick. Then the reality will hit home.
Then they'll figure out what exactly is happening. Can't trust the doctors. Yeah, exactly.
All right, Vera. Thank you for that, Paul. Let's get into these written questions. And then we get
conversation going. Vera, thank you for that. And please stick around. Adarya, who is a retired
neurosurgeon, Paul, she's lost her voice. She's at the Wellness Parenting Expo. She's got a written
question. Sarah asks, what should we know about the new variant showing up in Miami and other
countries and the new treatment tweaks? Yeah. So, you know, I was watching this podcast or thing
by the federal government saying these variants don't matter, but they actually do. The Delta
variant was a highly virulent variant, which killed off a lot of people, was much less
susceptible to therapy. Omicron is highly infectious, but it seems to be less, less,
its mortality is lower. But you know what? These things are going to keep mutating. That's what
viruses do. You know, it only has one single RNA strand, but it seems to be a lot smarter than humans
who have 23 chromosomes. So this thing will keep on mutating. That's what it does. And the more it
spreads, the more it's going to mutate. If we had stopped this disease, which we could have last year,
we would have prevented all of these, you know, this widespread disease. But I think the more it
spreads, the more mutations we're going to have, and it's going to keep on mutating. Thank you.
Before we go to the next question, Paul, we should welcome Stephen. Roger Hodkinson has been doing
great work in Canada, Sam, Kat with her presentations, Paul, all the people who have been
putting themselves on the line. So we often say nice things about you, Roger, even though you're
not here all the time, but well done on your work in Canada and others. Okay. So they're on this call,
Paul. Yeah, that's what great because I think we are an expanding group of people. You know, at
first we were just one or two, but I think we banded together and it's really wonderful, you know,
communicating with like-minded people. They are brothers and sisters because we're in this together.
And I think we are much, we are growing community and we just need to get more and more people to
to see the light. Yep. As Bobby Kennedy says, no one's going from our side to their side, Paul.
Everyone's moved. The only movement is from their side to our side. So that's at least promising. So
Tom Rodman asks, he understands these tests, D-dimer, troponin level may detect jab side effects.
He found a brother of his is in hospital for heart issues. He seemed fine a year ago. What other tests
do you suggest to detect or rule out jab side effects? What other tests? And Kat put some stuff
into the chat as well, but what do you suggest? Yeah. So, you know, that's such a difficult question
because, you know, they've hidden, so they've hidden this data by design.
The point to remember is that, you know, the virus goes for ACE2 receptors where they're limited
amount. These vaccines are in a nanoparticle. This nanoparticle goes to every single organ in the body,
including the testes, the ovary, the adrenal gland, the brain. So it causes a systemic
spike inflammatory disease. We don't have really good tests to determine vaccine-induced injury.
There are, you know, you can look for spike protein in the monocytes. You can look for spike
protein in the skin. You know, the D-dimer is an indicator of activation of clotting.
The vaccines cause a very strange kind of clot, which is high in amyloid. The bottom line is,
though, is we really don't have a good test for COVID-induced or vaccine-induced injury.
Okay. And then Dolores Kale was talking about, I think, Dolores, of clots in the iris as a test also.
Miniscule as Ryan Cole is talking about clots showing in the iris.
So what it does is it causes microclots and macroclots. So certainly you can look in the
iris for, you know, the back of the retina for clots. It's difficult. You know, I think the
bottom line is don't get vaccinated. Then you don't have this issue. You know, people say,
you know, how do you detoxify from the spike? Well, don't get the spike in the first place.
If you can avoid it, you know, once you've been injected with spike protein,
I don't think there's a very good way of getting rid of it. But I must tell you, I read a fascinating
paper two days ago, which looked at the use of probiotics. And it seems that if you take probiotics,
which probiotics, it caused basically inflammatory mediators, that it tends to attenuate the
vaccine injury. So, you know, if you are forced to get the vaccine, I think there are a few counter
measures that you could consider. You know, one of them being, you know, probiotics with
bifidobacteria, which change the fatty acids produced in the gut. You know, the other thing
is maybe take ivermectin, which binds the spike protein. But obviously, if you can avoid getting
it, you know, don't get it. It's a toxic protein. Next question. Thank you, Paul. Do you think Big
Pharma might be trying to get rid of as many doctors? This is from John Goss, might be trying
to get rid of as many doctors as possible to usher in diagnosis by computer so they can
experiment at leisure. It's quite clear from the vaccine agenda, they have no morals and no concerns
for individuals. Yeah, so the the agenda seems to be, you know, getting rid of the spike protein,
get rid of doctors, minimize the role doctors have. They would much prefer that patients get
married, get managed by algorithms and protocols generated by computers. So in fact, it's making the
position of doctors less important, exactly, because then they can follow their agenda.
They don't want people to think, because then you will question their protocols. So they would
prefer to have, you know, medical assistants and computers manage patients, that that would be
their objective. Thank you, Daria points, she was at that parenting conference yesterday. And
Del Bigtree was there, Judy Mikovits. Del comes from highwire.com, of course. Daria calls them the
Red Pill Expos. I like that everybody for that description, because I think town hall meetings,
people coming together at Red Pill Expos, we can use that as a term of art, everybody.
But, you know, Daria points out many parents of vaccine injured children are becoming better
doctors to their families because of this process. So families are starting to start take
responsibility, because they know they can't rely upon the medical, you know, the system.
I mean, absolutely, because the medical system does not recognize that vaccine injury is a
medical entity. They're not prepared to study it, they're not prepared to quantify it or figure out
how to treat it. So unfortunately, it's family members that are carrying the burden of looking
after these vaccine injured people. And let me tell you, it's a real thing. I think, you know,
there was a lot of speculation, but we now have a really good idea of why young people drop dead
48 hours after the vaccine. They get this myocarditis, which seems to be a stress-induced
myocarditis from catecholamine release. So, you know, there's a good pathophysiological explanation.
It's usually in, you know, young men who reasonably fit, they get the vaccine and die in 48 hours.
Yeah, all those athletes. Matilda Lisdero asks, do you think this disease is really a new one,
or could it be the normal flu enhanced by fear and bad treatments that made the symptoms?
Yeah, so this virus was manufactured in a lab. It was perfectly designed to be toxic to humans.
There's no question that certain of the genetic material that was placed in the vaccine was
placed there by design to be a highly virulent virus. In fact, there's some proteins from the
HIV virus that were put into this virus. There's no question of doubt this was a man-made virus.
This did not come from some kind of natural reservoir. This was a man-made virus. There's
no question of doubt, and we know where it came from. We know they were working on gain-of-function
coronaviruses. So it's pretty clear what this actually is. It's a highly toxic virus that just
man-made. Thank you. Kelly Burke asks, regarding your pre-COVID work, can you talk about your
vitamin C protocols for sepsis? Did you encounter resistance for this approach?
Oh, yes. So, you know, I'm not new to this. You know, I've been called a snake oil doctor
and all kinds of names. And you know, what's most outrageous in medicine is people will design
studies to fail so that you can disprove something that works. And probably the best is
hydroxychloroquine. So I'm not sure if you know this, but there were studies done in South America
where they used toxic doses of hydroxychloroquine. The normal dose is 200 twice a day. So what they
did is they used in high-risk patients 3,800 milligrams of hydroxychloroquine. And obviously,
it killed off a lot of people. And then they said hydroxychloroquine doesn't work. So this study was
specifically designed to fail and to kill people. So happens the attorney general in Brazil is
actually going to charge these scientists with manslaughter because what they did was manslaughter.
They designed studies to fail. And similarly, many of the vitamin C studies were designed to fail
because the medical community does not want vitamin C to be a viable treatment option.
It's cheap, it's safe and effective. And you look at the vitamin study in Australia,
you know, I was hoping this would be a positive study. They started the treatment on, we don't
know exactly, but at least 18 or 24 hours after the patient was admitted to hospital.
Why would you do such a thing? So they do studies designed to fail because they do not like cheap
repurposed drugs. Essentially, this is big farmers war on cheap and repurposed drugs
which threatens their livelihood. Thank you. Bernie Ryan from Canberra sends you God's blessing as a
former ICU and critical care social worker. He's many friends and former colleagues who are
intensivists. If you could look them all in the eye, what would you say to them?
Yeah, I would say to every intensivist, open your eyes, just look at the literature,
just do the right thing. Don't be a sheep or a lambing, do the right thing. You undertook
an oath to do the best for your patients and that's what your duty is. Do the right thing.
Daria asks you, Paul, did you take legal action against the hospital for your dismissal when you
were tenured? So you know what I tried, but the hospital owns the legal system. The hospital lied
under oath. The hospital lawyers and their so-called witnesses lied under oath. Let me say that again,
they lied under oath. So we filed an emergency injunction which we lost.
So you know what, I could pursue it further, but it's been such an emotional thing for me and
the reality is that they control, the hospital controls the legal system, they control the press.
So it's fighting a massive Goliath and I just don't have the energy anymore to do this.
I would rather them face the court of public opinion.
Thank you and yes, the hospitals lie under, if they're willing to kill people, then of course
lying under oath is no big deal. That's an easy game to play. I used to be a lawyer, I'm a legal
strategist now Paul and a professional speaker, but the work that Stephen's doing and the evidence
from the people that are available, there will be an accounting. I have no doubt.
So you know that's what gives me peace because I know in the end the truth will prevail that we
will be shown to be correct and that there will be a lot of accounting that will have to be done
and maybe after the fact there'll be hundreds of lawsuits, I don't know, but there's no question
we're on the right side of history. There's no question of doubt.
Yep, so Sarah asked the Florida Duval County Medical Society leaders are still pushing
vaccinations for all and children. Why do they do this in your opinion and how can we pressure
them to change them? I think Paul you've answered that and how can we pressure, we're talking about
that's what this conversation is about. Next one, variance not so much that.
My friend's Tom asked my friend's husband 60 years old a fit regular swimmer suffered dizzy
spells recently he's been jabbed two, possibly three times like Shane Warren, Paul Merrick,
a cricketer. His doctor suggested a pacemaker without any hesitation within a week or so got
it installed. Can the jabs cause symptoms like this? So we're talking fit regular swimmer
suffering dizzy spells. Yes, so you know what the spike protein goes throughout the body,
it goes to the heart, it goes to the heart muscle, it goes to the brain.
So unless the patient's having overt arrhythmias, which doesn't sound like it, I mean I don't know,
it's possible the patient has a heart block, so I don't know, but certainly it's not going to get
rid of the spike protein. So I think what the person needs to do is, you know, there's no simple
way of getting rid of spike protein, but I think if you improve your immune system, vitamin D,
vitamin C, the jealous sativa, probiotics, you want to get the body to get rid of the spike.
That's what you want to do. There's no magic elixir that can suck out the spike.
If the patient truly had some kind of a heart block, then maybe he would benefit from a pacemaker,
but a pacemaker is certainly not going to deal with the spike. The patient's developing problems
because he has spike protein and he's got to do whatever he can to get his body to break down
the spike protein. Thank you. Jody Dickerson points out the AMA, the American Medical Association,
similar to the AMA in Australia, is not a legislative body. They cannot make law or
enforce it. Therefore, is the action that we should pursue getting hospitals and doctors to
no longer listen to the AMA, they are allowed to give these mandates because we voluntarily obey
them. We could have the AMA taken down or the people could all agree to ignore AMA and form a
new board. What's your view around these sorts of professional body influences? Yeah, so, you know,
it's not just the AMA, which actually doesn't hold much power in the US. What has power is the
state medical boards because they have the power to take away doctors' licenses or to threaten them.
But, you know, all of these bureaucracies which are all linked together, we need to take them all
down. You know, the FDA, the NIH, the CDC, the state medical boards, they're all in cahoots.
And so, you know, ultimately, we need an alternative health care system because this one has failed.
And that's a pretty big undertaking because by design and these, all these agencies step in line
with each other. Dr. Bregan, do you think that the state medical boards were being given guidance
that was not good in following that guidance or do you think that they are actually corrupt?
So, that's a good question. I think both. So, I think they've been given guidance on what to do.
I don't think that these people practice medicine. So, you know, if you practice,
if you can't practice medicine, you become a hospital bureaucrat. If you can't be a hospital
bureaucrat, you then go to the state medical boards. So, these people are failures. They do
not understand medicine. So, you know, they have no insight into the medical problem. So, I think
state medical boards are made up by people who don't understand medicine. I think they're corrupt
and I think they're influenced by, you know, state agencies. It's a complete mess.
All right. Thank you, Jodie. Next, Daria makes the comment, Paul, that I think is a beautiful
metaphor. Truth is like a fully inflated beach ball that will slip out from under the corrupt
hands, forcing it below the surface of the water. It will shoot straight up and be seen by all.
Isn't it a beautiful picture? Yes. Yes. Yes. I'm just waiting for that to happen.
You know, I'm waiting because you can't stop the truth. You can try as hard as you can.
It will eventually surface above the water. And Paul, the good thing about this, not only do we
have the truth, but we have all these people. Everybody in the world is a victim of what's gone
on. Yeah. So, you know, although, you know, people said 60% are happy, the reality is that this
disease has touched a lot of people and a lot of people are unhappy by what's happening. So,
there will be change. Yes. There will be change. I don't believe that figure of 60% are happy.
That can't be right because they've lost their doctors. They've lost their friends. They've lost
their family. How can they possibly be happy? Not only that, because, because, Steven, over 30%
of the workforce in the UK, Canada, Australia, US are public servants.
Yes, they're still victims. They're still victims. Of course they are, but they don't
really, as Paul said earlier, when their children start dying, then they'll wake up.
Exactly. Paul, Gary, Gary F, our man with an F-I-N asks, have you considered practicing in Florida?
Yeah. You know, I have considered practicing in other states. The problem is, I think,
the hospital system. So, if I was to go to another state, I think it would be Florida.
You know, at the moment, I'm just so disillusioned with medicine and hospital medicine.
You know, I've decided that for my own sanity, I'm just going to, you know, keep on doing what
I'm doing, try and speak the truth. And, you know, what will be, will be. Practicing medicine
in hospitals at this time is a really difficult thing. And doctors, to a large degree, have become
powerless. You know, there are these big healthcare systems which dictate how doctors practice medicine.
So, you know, I will just keep an open mind and see what happens.
Yes. Paul, in my opinion, you made the right decision to get out of the practice of medicine
at the present time. I was going to go back into medicine, but when I saw this nonsense going on,
I thought, no, not while this is going on. And now I think the whole medical profession
needs to be retrained. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. I can probably do more out of medicine than
within medicine. And certainly the way we train medical students is appalling in this country.
We need to, you know, critically look how we train these doctors, because these are people who cannot
think. They've lost the ability to think. They told what to do. They cannot think. I think,
I don't know if they have cortical atrophy or what their problem is, but they lack the ability
to think. And when I was in medical school, I was always taught, what do you think? What do
you think about this? What do you think about this? You know, they're not taught that. They
spoon-fed and they answer multiple choice questions. And all the dean is interested in
is them passing their multiple choice exam. That's all they're interested in.
The UMSLE part one is all they're interested in. If the question's not going to be in UMSLE one,
nobody cares. Wow. Okay. So, Warner Mendenhall, a US attorney, Paul, points out that nurses at
Ohio Health did a good job by standing together. 11,000 were threatening to walk away when Ohio
Health backed down from their JAB mandates. And secondly, in South Australia, the South
Australian government revoked JAB mandates for police as a consequence of freedom of information
requests showing that the South Australian government had no scientific basis for the
JAB mandates. And so they dropped the mandates when they were, after finally getting those produced.
That's why everybody, we've got to keep pushing the FLI, freedom of information,
applications, even though they keep being resisted, they are effective.
Yes. So I think, you know, the vaccine mandate is cracking because these are toxic. These aren't
vaccines. The people are dying. And I think that people are recognizing this. So, you know, the
states are slowly changing. There are some that have dug their heels in because they can't admit
defeat. I think there are too many people in this who just can't admit defeat. You know, we all make
mistakes. Just be big enough and old enough and responsible and say, okay, we made a mistake,
but they don't want to do that. So there are some states that are digging their heels in,
but it seems like, you know, slowly this narrative of safe and effective is being disputed.
All right. So as I keep scrolling through the questions, let's go Sam. Time for you to have
a question from Sam Dubay in Ottawa. Paul. Hey, Paul. Thanks so much for joining us. And a shout
out to Vera and Roger Hodgson too. Roger is like a force of nature. Never underestimate him. Hi,
Roger. Paul, I was the physician who interviewed Pierre Corrie in December 2020 after the Senate
address. And I remember calling Joyce, his secretary, and requesting an interview. And she
said, Sam, nobody in the world but you and Senator Johnson want to talk to us right now.
And it just reflected what you said, how you guys were like totally like lepers, you know, basically.
Well, that's not a good analogy, but you know, nobody wanted to come close to us because we had
this bad thing about us. Yeah. And I can only imagine what you guys went through. And I remember
we went for about an hour and a half in that interview and he asked to let the team watch the
interview and you were the head of that team actually. And he came back and he said, there's
just one thing I don't think they're ready for yet because we need to be careful how we approach
us. And I'd asked the questions, can Ivermectin replace the vaccines? And you might remember that
that was a bit of a sticking point. And he said, can you kind of just remove that for now because
we want to make sure. So you guys were literally walking a tightrope, right? Like, and even then
you got totally shafted. Like even trying to be careful. Can you talk to that just a little bit?
Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, at the beginning, we decided that it would not be in our best
interests if we came across as being any vaccination, because that's a bad label.
So really up until the last month or two, we actually completely avoided the subject. You know,
we said we had to, you know, we were politically correct. Vaccination is an alternative or part of
the treatment algorithm, the other approaches. So we try to be more politically correct. But I think
we can't take that stance anymore because certainly Ivermectin is better than the vaccine.
I think Coca-Cola is safer than the vaccine. And I think you have to be completely insane to
support the notion that they're safe and effective. Unfortunately, if you get labeled
anti vaccination, you've been an anti government terrorist. That's what it's come down to.
So I think, you know, you're right. In the beginning, we had to walk a very fine tightrope
because we couldn't appear to be anti vaccination. And we had to put these ridiculous disclaimers on
the website that, you know, we weren't anti vaccination. But I think, you know, it's clear now
the data speaks for itself. So, you know, we have to speak the truth. And obviously,
if you ask me the question now, yes, Ivermectin is a thousand times preferable to vaccination
in preventing SARS-CoV-2. Absolutely. But you know what? I mean, it's a really good question,
but in March and April and May of last year, we couldn't say that.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, you know, you're such a compassionate man, Paul. I want to thank you so
much for taking this fight. And, you know, Pierre speaks so highly of you. He always has, he always
defers to you. Tell him I said hi, by the way, Sam in Canada. And so, you know, my response is
we all in this together because, you know, our voices together is a lot louder than single voices.
And I think that's what's changing is that they're more and more like-minded people who are willing
to speak out. And that's what we need. And you have an interesting connection here to Canada.
Your sister's son, Ryan Penn, I just got off the phone with him. He's the founder of Take Action
Canada. And he just said, tell Paul I said hi. Yeah. So tell Ryan hi. I'm sorry I haven't
contacted him. You know, my life is a bit chaotic. So I'll tell him that too. It's okay. My sister
lives in Toronto. Bless his soul. I went, I studied critical care in Toronto. I mean, in London,
Ontario. I used to think of Canada as a wonderful country, actually, which it is until somewhat more
recently. Seems like things have changed a bit. Paul, we're sitting on a powder keg up here. My
colleagues, Roger and Ray Strom up here in Canada and Ken McKenzie and a few others, Kathleen will
tell you, we don't know what's going to happen next. And Lex sitting here, I'm looking at Lex too,
out in BC. We have no idea what's going to happen next. And it's quite frightening, actually. You
know, I'm keeping an eye on my bank account daily, making sure it's got a negative balance.
So, you know, I mean, I've said, you know, for the last three or four months, the world has gone
completely mad. I do not like living on this planet. And I'm looking to go live on a different
planet because this one is completely messed up. Thank you, Liam, for your comment in the chat.
Paul, if there's no medical leadership in what was always presented to the public as a medical
problem, then of course, malign forces are going to take control. And that's exactly what's
happened. So the medical leadership has gone. The public has lost its doctors. And given the fact
that we were talking earlier that we can't make sense of this. So how on earth can the patients
make sense of it? And then they suddenly realized, not only do we not know what's going on, but our
doctors disappeared too. Yeah. So I must tell you that I think Anthony Fauci is one of the bad
players in the story. He wields enormous control. And I think he's guilty of crimes against humanity.
And why he's put on a pedestal is beyond me, because I think he controls the narrative. And
you know what? He's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. He's a bad guy. He's a bad guy.
You know what? He's a bad man. He's an evil man. He's done really bad things. And yet, when you say
that, people look at gas at you because he's considered a hero. Well, not by Robert Kennedy,
isn't it? Yes. And so you know what? I don't know why his book didn't get more attention in the
general public. It's a brilliant book. He talks the truth. It's a very well written book. I think
every American should read the book and take heart of the book. It's a difficult book to read.
But I think you have an obligation to understand where we've come from and where we are. And maybe
it will then open some eyes. You know, I don't know what to say. It sold plenty of books and
they altered the mainstream media ignored it all beautifully. Thank you, Sam, for that question.
Thank you, Paul. God bless you. God bless you. We're sending you strength.
Thank you, Sam. Thank you, my friend. Charles, could I ask them Charles, very quickly,
could I just ask you whether we could ask Vera while she's here, whether she would like to speak
to us sometime? Sorry. Very well done, Stephen. You don't have to decide now, Vera.
Okay, we'll see what you'd like me to talk about. I think partly, you know,
medical political alliances, alliances, medical political.
It's parallels to what happened in Germany. Can I suggest Stephen? I'm just being born in
bits and pieces right now for everybody wants me to, you know, to be interviewed. And the only reason
for that is because nobody else either dares or still stands up after they've butchered them.
So I have to do that, you know, to all these various groups, whether it's South Africa or
Australia or lots of times, Italy, they love me there. And Germany, of course. So, you know,
that's I feel that I have to do that. I haven't even posted on our website because I don't have
the time. So I don't want to make commitments. But, you know, if you really want me sometime,
I hope so. And Vera, I must tell you, I mean, I lost lost half of my grandmother's family in Germany.
So this is a sensitive thing to me. But I consider this a global Holocaust. And when I,
when I say this to my sister, she shakes her head. But I think the forces of evil are so powerful.
This is a global Holocaust. Yes, absolutely. It's worse. There won't be any rescuers.
Just keep that in mind. No, yes. Yes. That's a good point. Yes. We're the ones that can maybe
try and stop this. If Montagne before he died, Vera Montagne, you know, the one who won the Nobel
Prize in 2008 for medicine. He said the unvaccinated will save humanity. And that maybe was why he died
when he did. Oh, you know, okay, that's, that's in one way, hopefully, but in the other way,
it's wishful thinking, because, you know, how we've got to get more into our troops.
Sure. And not be terrified. It's very, very really, you know, just as doctors pretty much march in line,
you know, what's what's different now also is that artists, performing artists, the culture is all
marching to the tune. I hear from opera singers, I just heard from a piano, a concert pianist.
I mean, they, they're just a few who aren't vaccinated, and so they can't work.
Yeah, so you're right. I don't know why, you know, these people who have enormous influence, you know,
pop stars, celebrities who people look up to aren't more vocal. My understanding, and this is a Canadian
thing, is Celine Dion is suffering from neurological issues after the vaccine. And her contract
prohibits her from disclosing this. But from my understanding, she's suffering some severe neurological
injuries post vaccine. She should just stand up and say something, screw her contract. You know what,
you need to just do the right thing. History will need to look well on you. She needs to speak the truth.
Exactly, Paul. You know, there won't be history if we don't win.
We will win. We will win. Okay, I mean, yes, we will. And the only place to go is the place
that Paul mentioned, which is another planet. And so that's a little bit inconvenient.
I think they were there already. Didn't we hear that Musk has something like 42 satellites or
whatever? I mean, they're trying to go absolutely everywhere. But hopefully, hopefully something
will. But Vera, going to another planet is unrealistic because the nearest solar system
is four light years away. So traveling at the speed of light, which is 186,000 miles a second,
it would take you four years to get there. So you must have a pretty fast craft to get there.
At my age, I don't think that's a realistic thing at all.
Tell everybody it's up to us. Gary, your question, thank you for your support for Vera. And Vera,
that'd be lovely if you consider doing a conversation with us if you're not under
too much pressure. Gary, over to you for asking Paul. Yeah. So Mike, the question that I can
remember dates back to a little bit very early in the conversation. The thing that made me suspicious
that forces were conspiring, I found it very odd when back in March of 2020, right at the start of
the pandemic, the NHS prohibited doctors in the UK from prescribing hydroxychloroquine to treat
COVID. Why would they do that? Well, how would they know at that stage to prohibit it if there
wasn't an agenda? And given that the vaccine has been made in a laboratory, you know, Dr. Shetty's
probably right. This is a virus that was made for a vaccine, not a vaccine that was made for a virus.
Paul, would you agree with that? Yeah. So I think, I mean, this was a plandemic, as hard as it is for
me to admit, this was a plandemic. This whole thing was planned from the beginning. They didn't want
there to be effective alternative therapy. If there was effective alternative therapy, the EUA for all
the vaccines would have been null and void. So this is all planned out, all planned out ahead of
time. They just did not want a safe, effective therapy for SARS-CoV-2 because then the vaccines
would have been, you know, they would have lost the EUA. And can I add that at the start of the
pandemic, they did, you know, they knew about hydroxychloroquine as a possibility because it
worked for SARS-CoV-1 and the Chinese had been using it. But they didn't know that either
mectin was going to be even more effective and for greater parts of the course of the disease.
So either mectin was allowed at first, but then they, you know, and I was hoping that when the
election was over, the attitude would change. But no, the position hardened even against either
mectin and Trump had nothing to do with either mectin, it wasn't political at all. It was because
they wanted to promote the vaccine instead of either mectin. Yes, absolutely. I don't think
there's any question of doubt that that was what their modus operandi was, to squash any
medication that would question the necessity for the vaccine. And then the other thing I just
want to say is that, you know, earlier on in the pandemic, I was working with a group of Brazilian
doctors who had their hydroxychloroquine confiscated and we were gathering data from
Didier Raoul in Marseille and he was under enormous pressure. But you know, the data was on
his side. When you compared his statistics to the recovery trial Oxford University statistics,
it was how could you even, or the rest of France's statistics, how could you even criticize him?
So, you know, the truth comes out because the truth is the truth.
And I think my last comment is just a comment. I don't know if it's correct, but anecdotal
observation today was on the London Underground. There are announcements going on, you have to wear
masks when you're on the Underground, it's there for everybody. Announcements going on, the
Underground's full and I would say less than one in ten people were wearing a mask. The public in
this part of the world are suspicious, they're not listening, they don't care. That's about masks,
about their personal comfort and everything else, but the fear factor is gone, which is a big step
forward. Yeah, I think you're right. I think people have realized that this whole thing was a hoax.
Masking, social distancing, lockdowns, vaccinations. I think people who've got their
eyes and ears open realize this is a big hoax and basically they're rebellion. And you know,
I think mask usage has gone down because it's absurdity. So I think people to some degree are
getting it. Yeah. So, everybody, could you please put into the chat? Could I ask you,
could I ask you to take Roger next? Hang on. So if people could put into the chat,
because it's a useful record for everybody of when mandates of any description have stopped, Gary,
that's an excellent point that you make. And just keep adding it so that we've got that chat
record so that when you're talking to other people, you say, oh, of course, all these other
countries have stopped it. So thank you for all that input. And also, if the mandates haven't
been taken off, no one's wearing them. That's also relevant information for us. Thank you,
Gary, for that. Simon. You're welcome. Simon from Australia via Belgium,
Paul. Don't hold that against him. Steven, sorry, are you going to say something, Steven,
before Simon? I was just going to say whether Roger could have a go because I'm sure he's got
some very penetrating questions. You know, we've got Cathy and Glenn and Roger. We'll get to Roger.
You're okay for a few more minutes, Paul? Yep. He's going to get a job, Steven. He's got plenty of time.
Yeah.
Sorry for Roger or? Well, okay. Yeah. One thing I liked, I was talking to a group of Belgians that
have a parallel system of about 10,000 now caretakers. And they try to not just wake up the
people, but they really try to see how they can get patients to take responsibility for their health,
because that's the biggest problem. They all say, I'm not a doctor. So I don't know, but how can we
make sure that people actually take responsibility for their own health? But related to your remarks
on hydroxychloroquine and also Garry's, I'm wondering, we are battling against or for regaining
of our health and our freedom, but how do we battle for regaining our science objectivity? And
seeing that, for example, these papers you talk about, there were only like a few scientists
signed that, but is there a way we can use the numbers to actually give a more objective way of
saying these papers are acceptable or not acceptable? How do we gain our science? Basically,
is my question. Any other ideas on that? Yeah. So that's a really good question because the
major medical journals are owned by big pharma. They've publicly admitted it. Lanceton New England
Journal have publicly admitted they're influenced to publish bad papers by big pharma.
The problem is if you have a look at JAMA and New England Journal and Lancet, when it comes to
other medicine, they only publish negative papers. They will not publish positive papers. So I think
just like the agencies are captured, the big journals are captured. And I'm not sure what
the answer is. I think people have to recognize that New England Journal is controlled by big
pharma. I mean, they published a ridiculous paper showing that vaccination is safe in pregnancy of
all kinds of things. They are evil. They evil like the agencies. And I think they need to be called
out as much as the agencies. They are propagating misinformation because they're controlled by big
pharma. We have to get to a system where we take conflicts of interest out of medical publications.
Both the authors and the publishers should have no conflict of interest.
Thank you, Simon. Kathy, from what part of the US are you in?
Boston area.
Austin, Texas. Beautiful.
No, Boston, Massachusetts.
Okay, East Coast. Gotcha.
That's a bad place. I'm originally from Utah, though. And in Utah, they had a super low death
rate, one of the lowest in the US because they were always using hydroxychloroquine during the whole
pandemic. You could go to any outpatient clinic and get it. And so they didn't close schools
except for a few months in spring 2020. And, you know, everything was fine until the vaccination
started. It's a good state to be in. I think they let doctors practice medicine there.
So my question is, I was contacted by email from a woman who was visiting her sister in Greece,
and the doctors would not treat sepsis with vitamin C, refused. And so I was wondering if
you could put your protocol for sepsis in the chat, like a link to it, because I couldn't find it
for some reason, but I would really like to, you know, have more knowledge.
Yeah, so maybe what I... So you asked a good question, and we were gonna... I have kind of
updated my protocol, which we're going to put on our website, but maybe I can email it to you.
And then I can forward it to Stephen, and then he can forward it to the group, or whoever's interested.
Sure. Yes.
That would be great. I would really appreciate that, because I don't know if her sister even
made it at this point. Let's see, I had another quick question. Oh, what did the hospital lie
and what state are you in?
So I'm in Norfolk, Virginia. So the expert witness said that hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin,
fluvoxamine were dangerous toxic drugs that had never undergone randomized control trials,
that they were toxic and killed people, and that remdesivir was a safe and effective drug.
Under oath. Under oath.
Under oath. Wow. Paul, what is your website?
So it's FLCCC.net. It's the website Pierre and I developed, so it's FLCCC.net.
Just quickly, I'm going to shoot you my email address, if you wouldn't mind sending it to me.
Okay, well, let me give you my email address, which is easier probably.
Okay.
It's Pmarick, P-M-A-R-I-K, at FLCCC, FLCCC, that's three C's dot net.
Okay. Okay, great. Thank you.
That's it. Thank you, Cathy. Thank you. Professor Ian Brighthope has been doing a lot of work in
Australia on vitamin C protocols. Paul, I'm sure you know Ian Brighthope over the journey.
Yep.
Next, we have Glenn the Macco. Glenn. And then Roger.
My question, a number of us within this group have been trying to organize and to work as a group on
things that we could help propel by doing them in a more professional, refined, and scalable way.
One of the things that comes up all the time is that there's a vast element of people that
have been psychologically trapped in their circumstances, whether in both professions and
the general public. Are there people that you would advise us to try to contact that might be
especially good trainers that we could be using and try to gear up in a way that we could reach
at least tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people in individual group sessions
that either they can be giving their message to a large set of people or training a number of people
to train the trainers, to train the teaching assistants to go out and speak to the public?
Yeah, so you asked a really good question because really what we need is a network of people
who have different expertise who can, you know, because this is a complex issue. We need lawyers,
we need psychologists, we need therapists, we need pediatricians. So we're trying to put together a
network. So although we can't, FLCC can't do all of this, we're trying to put together a network of
people. So if you have any ideas, you can email me. We're trying to develop this work we call our
HOPE network. So while we can't, you know, do all of these elements, at least we can lead people in
the right direction. Because I think there's just so much, you know, you just think of the kids and
how they've been harmed. You know, I think of the poor kids, I think the psychological
trauma to children has just been overwhelming. And I think they're the ones that need, you know,
lots of re-education and re-socialization. You mentioned earlier around people waking up when
it happens to one of their relatives. But in many cases, that's not even enough. They still don't
recognize it. Or they feel ashamed enough. They don't dare whisper it. Yeah. But you know, I think
parents who've had kids can see the impact it's had on kids because kids just haven't been kids.
They've been denied the right to do what children generally do. And, you know, wearing masks at
school. And I mean, I saw kids playing soccer outdoors with masks on. You've got to be kidding
me. So I think the psychological trauma to kids has been overwhelming. And, you know, wearing a mask
interferes with facial recognition, which is just so important. So I think we need a lot of counseling
for these children. Absolutely. Thank you. For the adults too. Thank you, Glen. Before we get
Roger on here, Paul, since we had Cathy from close to Cape Cod. And I've taught Roger this limerick.
I bet he can't remember it. But you see, this limerick goes like this. There once was a girl
from Cape Cod who thought that all things came from God. But it wasn't the Almighty that lifted
her nightie. It was Roger the Lodger the sod. There you go. Over to you, Roger. I'm from Manchester,
and it's impossible to insult me. Unless your name is, we won't go into that.
Well, you come from Manchester. That's bad enough. That's right. That's right. Okay.
The time is going on and I'll keep my comments brief. First a comment, then a question for you,
Paul, because I'm a pathologist, as you probably know, not a clinician. My comment is this.
Coming to the chase of all these conspiracy theories that are out there, the big one,
of course, is that this was some malicious release intended to kill people. I believe that you don't
have to look any further than Occam's razor to find an explanation for what happened. The simplest,
most obvious thing is the most likely one. And that is, simply put, political stupidity.
Stupidity. Most people in most organizations make decisions, whether it's publicly traded,
or government, or whatever. Most decisions are made now internationally for a very simple reason.
Everyone else is doing it. No one has the time or the expertise to assess these things,
and they follow the herd. And the herd became this dogma that we're all fully aware of.
So I don't believe for a second that everyone that's been instituting this has got some malicious
intent. I don't think Fauci had malicious intent, although he is the most vile man walking without
any question. I don't think Gates had malicious intent. What I do believe is that this thing
escaped from a lab that was never intended to escape. I've run big labs, you can never make
them hermetically sealed. It's utterly impossible. This thing escaped and created a pandemic.
Yes, it was genetically engineered, obviously. But then a wonderful opportunity dropped in the
laps of the great resetters and dropped in the laps of the Dumbo-crats in the States to exploit
in their own malicious ways. And it was incredibly efficient and very successful.
So I think that's how we got here, simply because of stupidity on the most gigantic scale.
Wokeism cubed, everyone following everyone else, everyone deathly afraid of being different from
the rest. That's my opinion on how we got here. But my question, Paul, is very different, very
specific. If in fact the general mechanism, there are others, but the biggest mechanism of the
biggest pathogenesis is the clot shot, the thrombosis, whether it's disseminated in capillaries
or whether it's focal, it doesn't matter. If in fact post vaccination, that is the biggest risk.
Why have I not heard, I'm not speaking as a clinician now, I'm speaking as a pathologist,
why have we not heard of baby aspirin being routinely prescribed post vaccination for
everyone? Yeah, I mean, that makes so much sense. And that would then be an admission that the
vaccine causes clotting. I agree with you 100%. It's such a simple thing to do. I think that
the countermeasures you can take, aspirin being one of them, and the most simple is because we know
you get clotting. But I think it would then be an admission that these vaccines cause clotting.
But we're not even seeing Peter McCullers, we're not even seeing anyone on our side of the equation
recommending that. Yes, I don't know why. It's a good thing. So, you know, I recommend that there's
some interesting papers on probiotics, which change your flora, which is simple. Take your
probiotic, take your aspirin. That's the simplest thing to do, because that costs nothing and is
readily available. The other makes it a little bit more tricky, but certainly aspirin and probiotics
are simple things to do. And also the, you know, what seemed initially like quackery,
the whole, you know, McCullers been promoting it very effectively, and Paul Alexander, the,
you know, the nasal iodine, hydrogen peroxide routine. I mean, that really needs to be,
it sounds odd, it sounds suspicious, I know, but it's not being promoted very widely,
just like vitamin D. So, you know, the other thing is turmeric actually has very powerful,
any coagulant, any platelets from the lytic effect. So, you know, I think because of course
there's so much clotting, these natural seals are really cheap, inexpensive and may play a role.
Thank you. Yeah, that's a good point. I think I need to add that to our protocol.
Excellent. Thank you. Thank you, Roger. Now, you live in Canada now, Roger, or US?
I'm sorry? Are you in Canada or US do you live?
Alberta, Canada. Right, thank you.
Unfortunately, I consider myself an American, but I'm a prisoner of income.
Roger, can I ask you whether you've got any ideas how we hold people responsible for and complicit in
these great crimes to account? I don't think the courts are going to be the answer. They're slow
and they're mealy-mouthed and they're stacked against us anyway. I think the only hope for
radical change to get rid of the principle thing, of course, is wokeism, which has infiltrated over
20 years into every institution internationally, but principally universities and junior faculty
who are all closet socialists. If there's going to be any hope for redirecting society and saving
democracy, in my opinion, the solution has to be politics because politicians have incredible power
over organizations that they fund. It's called turning off the spigot and introducing legislation
that controls governance. Governance is the principal issue here to try and change these
organizations around. Yeah, so I must agree with Roger. So in the US, I think we've lost
the federal government, but the state legislatures seem very effective and very receptive to what we
saying. So I think that's where we're going to see the turn in the tide. And I think this upcoming
elections this year is going to be somewhat of a surprise. So I agree. I think there are a lot of
state legislators that are hearing from their constituents and they do not like what's going
on. So I think that's that's where we're going to see change. I would add to that, Paul, that
when I mean, I know Alex Berenson sometimes is full of it, but nonetheless, when investigative
journalists like Berenson and Dellingpole in Britain write what I call the definitive autopsy
of what happened over the last two years, the sheer scale of it, the detailed description of all
the terrible consequences, not the least of which are deaths of children, when that starts
getting public, you know, Martin Luther discovered you can't stop the basement printing press.
When that information start thin booklets, bullet format, lay language, when people start becoming
aware of the scale of which they've been lied to with the personal consequences for people that
they know. I think the degree of revulsion that generates is going to be something we're just not
prepared for. I think that will set the scene. Frankly, I'm quite optimistic about things because
COVID and the truckers convoy in particular have been the point of the spear, which has made people
realize that we have lost control of our freedoms over a long period of time. And when that start
penny starts to drop, I think it's a wonderful new day for a new politics, a Trump style politics,
left and right merging tradition, values, culture, etc. Family. I think this is an incredible
opportunity for a new politics because of COVID. Thank God for COVID, I say. Yes, tragically people
died, but thank God for COVID because it gave us something to react to. Without something to react
to, you can whine all you want about loss of a freedom here, loss of a freedom there. It doesn't
get traction for the general population, but now we have something to react to. And frankly, I'm very
optimistic that there will be major changes in governance of all these institutions directed by
political change. But if you're going to get political change, Roger, that means that people
have got to take responsibility. And that means that people like us have to get involved in
politics. And are we prepared to do that? Because we're the ideologue. Well, we're, yes, we're the
romantics, if you like. We're not the type of people who go into politics. And also, we're very
uncompromising as a group. We're asking huge questions. Let me just point out the ideologues,
the creatives in Hungary and a number of European countries, the people held in the highest esteem
are the poets. Okay, now just contemplate that, you know, that country's directions are guided by
imagination, by soul, by spirit, you know, as Roger said, by values, not by the dollar. So it's very,
you know, it's quite possible. Very excellent, excellent questions. We'll keep moving.
I'll leave you with one final comment, because I'd like this phrase to be popularised.
The scale of what has happened is unprecedented, certainly in medical history, if not
human history. And I, I capsulise that in this statement. It's been nothing more than the rape
of our soul. It's on that scale of assault. It's been physical, it's been universal,
it's been catastrophic. And that describes rape, the rape of our very soul. That's what's been
going on. And I would encourage that word to be used, because it gets through to people,
the scale of what's happened, cutting to the very essence of our humanity.
Thank you, Roger. Thank you, Roger. Before we go to John Stone, who's a journalist,
Paul, Sarah asked a simple question, but it's a simple answer. You agree that the natural
silica in Fiji water can work to clear a spike out of the brain if you drink it exclusively for
a few months? So I'm sceptical about all of these detoxifying things. They're, you know, heavy
metal chelators, they're bleaches that have been giving IV. I'm not sure, you know, once the spike
protein is in the cell, it's a protein, it has to be taken up by a phagosome and broken down by
enzymes. I'm not sure that any of these detoxifiers work. You have to get the
host immune system to ubiquinate the protein, take it into lysosomes and break it down. That's
the host natural defense mechanism. So I think the only way to get rid of spike is to
improve the host immune system with vitamin D, vitamin C, quercetin, whatever you can,
I don't think there's any other magical way of getting rid of the spike, unless somebody else
has some thoughts. Very good. But Paul, it's not just the spike, is it?
Well, the vaccine has all kinds of things, many of which we don't know what actually it is.
I mean, the nanoparticle has phospholipids and all kinds of things in the surface.
Exactly. We're not sure what's actually inside the nanoparticle. There may be other stuff that
we don't know about. We certainly know, I've come to learn that the hepatitis B vaccine used to
contain mercury and mercury is toxic. It's been shown to be toxic. So
we don't know what's in these nanoparticles. Paul, there's a question that I missed earlier
from Michelle. And with your interest in alternative medicine and the growing research
on probiotics and the microbiome, do you think there needs to be a stronger affiliation with
with quote natural practitioners or alternative practitioners or non strictly medical practitioners?
Yeah, absolutely. I think if you stick to the science, you know, I think I'm not a great
believer in alternative science. I think it's something with sort of medicine, if it works,
it's medicine. So, you know, I don't think the use of probiotics is in the realm of alternative
medicine. It's medicine. But I think these practitioners who have a more holistic approach
certainly have a role. And the data on probiotics is actually quite astonishing.
And it's such a simple thing to do. So we all need to get together and find a unified way of
dealing with this disease. Because we all bring different skills to the table.
Beautiful. And that Paul, that brings me to Kat Lindley from Texas, who wants to comment on the
detox question, because she does a paper to work there. Kat, are you there?
Yeah, I agree with Paul there. In my opinion, you cannot detox against spike at this time. I think
the technology needs to be invented for that medication or whatever. The best thing to do is
strengthen your immune system because your immune system is going to clear it eventually and mitigate
the symptoms. And the best way to do that is probiotics, vitamin D, vitamin C. You can actually
measure that clinically and in lab. If you have someone and you monitor your CD4 and CD8 cells,
you can see over time they're recovering. And they see works really well in something like that,
quercetin, black seed oil. So there is a lot that we know. But in my opinion, and I think a lot of
physicians feel the same, none of us feel that you can get rid of the spike protein.
Yeah. So I think what Kat says is really important because unfortunately, there are people who will
exploit sick and suffering people and will sell them all kinds of concoctions that don't work.
So unfortunately, there are these heavy metal chelators which are being used to treat the spike
protein, which is completely absurd. So I agree with Kat completely.
Thank you. All right. Thank you, Kat. John Stone, who's a resident journalist, Paul, in the UK.
Hi there. Yeah, I just want to, first of all, of course, we've got another problem with the command
structure. They're just going to try and kick it up a notch and give the WHO overall responsibility
for future pandemics. So everybody, every government in the world will have to defer
to the WHO and there are treaties being negotiated over this. So in fact,
while the thing is, the story is collapsing around us, they're already building the next stage.
And this is very troubling. And of course, also, it's been very difficult to see
as the narrative collapsed, they switched it suddenly to Ukraine.
So that nobody, everybody wasn't, nobody was really focused on what was happening. And even now,
all the things that we've learned in the past few weeks are simply not reported in newspapers.
One interesting thing, which is non-medical, which has happened, is that, which is going to make
people sit up, is that suddenly their fuel bills have doubled. And this is going to put incredible
pressure on politicians. Whose side are they really on?
Because they've all connived at this. We all saw the pantomime in October, November last year with
all the private jets descending on Rome and then Glasgow. And the result is that nobody is going
to be able to afford to heat their homes anymore. And this is very much,
politicians operating against the interests of people. So this is something,
you know, we're dealing with the fact that they, while they're doing very bad things,
they are beginning to create levels of friction which people can't stand.
Paul, that was more comment, but more comment than that.
Paul, that was more comment, but more comment than thank you.
And you've got a question, John.
I wasn't specifically a question, it was a remark.
Based on some of the things that have been said.
Yep, thank you very much.
Something that we need to bear in mind, that I don't know how we campaign against this WHO thing.
I don't know how seriously one takes it because even national parliaments may think, well,
we can't actually sort of give up that much sovereignty, but maybe they will.
Could I comment on that, Charles?
I want to say two things. The first is that they can sign whatever goddamn covenants they want.
They can be trashed the very next day with a new government.
If Trump comes in, Paris, the climate change will be trashed immediately.
The answer to all these attempts at wokeism and the great reset,
they are going to be utterly demolished by the new politics.
Once that gets organised and leaders emerge, we now have got great confidence in leaders
emerging at the right moment, just like Churchill did.
My other comment is, you can, bear with me when I say this, you can draw a straight line between
Fauci and the Ukraine and it goes like this. Fauci, gain of function, escape, pandemic,
pitching to a narcissist, lying through his teeth about the vaccine, the vaccine, et cetera, fails.
But the point is, the Democrats exploited that reality of the so-called danger of the COVID
to engineer absentee ballots that they knew they could milk.
Net result, Biden got elected. Biden would not have been elected had COVID not escaped.
Therefore, we now have a weak president being exploited internationally by the countries of
the world that we're all fully aware of, namely Russia, China, Iran, North Korea.
So you can draw a straight line between Fauci and Ukraine. If this vaccine,
this thing had not escaped, Trump would now be president and Ukraine would not be happening.
Thank you. Thank you, Roger. Excellent food for thought and similar stuff happens on Sky News,
Australia in relation to some of those matters, but not on the mainstream media.
Thank you. Thank you. John Ariana is next.
Okay. I just turned, whoops. Can you guys hear me? Oh, okay. I turned my camera on,
but oh, whoops, it's not plugged in. Okay. Hold on.
Here we go. Hi, everybody. Okay. So, okay. A few things. There are three
medicines, natural medicines that have been able to successfully detoxify vaccinated people.
There is a point of no return though, and that comes in with the boosters,
where, I mean, that's when there's just so much toxicity in the body.
It's like people's blood turns black and weird things start happening. But anyway,
I've been able to detoxify people up to two jabs and very fast. So the CDS is one thing that Dr.
Andreas Kalker says that it takes about three to six months, but he's been able to detoxify
people from the vaccines. Then there's a Dr. Perry Chin in Malaysia who's using hydrogen,
and he says it takes about three to six months. So they've had success as well.
And then I've been able to detoxify people in about three to six weeks using my protocol.
And the main thing in my protocol are the redox signaling molecules,
because it's like it works with the body's natural operating system, like on a cellular
level and on a nanoscale, although it's completely native to the body. So these are the results that
I've gotten, and this is what I'm aware of that works. And then there are other things you can add.
You can actually create different kinds of protocols, but there's some other substances
that are very good and useful, like the black seed oil or blue-green algae.
It's the most nutrient-dense food known to man, and it naturally chelates the blood.
But the key is in the harvesting methods. You have to know which harvesting methods retain the
maximum nutrition, but it's very effective. And then super antioxidants like blueberry powder or
resveratrol is also very good. Okay. Then when it comes to Ukraine,
I was just deep diving in research, and I'm going to do a broadcast in a couple of days.
So I found there is evidence of the bio weapons that were developed in Ukraine
were being exported out of Ukraine, smuggled out of Ukraine and used in the vaccines,
the COVID-19 vaccines. They're not vaccines, but the same material that was being developed in
Ukraine has been used in, is the same pathogens, chimeric pathogens being used in these shots,
at least in the Johnson and Johnson and Moderna and Sinovac. I've been able to identify those.
I don't think it's so much that Ukraine is being used as a diversion. I think it's like
the Russians are shutting down this threat on their border. In order to keep the balance of
power, that's kind of how I see it, protecting Russia's interests, but at the same time,
bringing forward valuable information on these bio labs.
Living in Finland, you might have a better feeling for the politics of living near Russia.
The Finnish people don't like Russia, and they got scared into joining NATO.
Now Finland has joined NATO, and this is the worst thing.
Could you put your website in? There's a request in the chat. I want questions to Paul first.
All these are very relevant issues, because Paul, we're going to have to let you go at some point.
You've been here for two and a quarter hours answering questions, which is magnificent.
Arianna, those are wonderfully important questions, as we all know, in terms of what
this game is about. Let's ask questions of Paul first, and then we can let him go. Paul,
we don't want you to go, just so that you don't feel that you're bound to be here.
My question in terms of managing is, when do you need to go?
Give me 10 more minutes or so, because then I've got stuff to do.
Okay, 10 minutes, done. All right, so Arianna, we'll come back to that. Liam, question for Paul.
Yes, hello Dr. Narek. Thank you so much for everything you've done. I volunteer with the
Canadian Code Care Alliance, and your work has been fundamental to everything that I've learned,
has basically sourced back to the work that you and Dr. Corey have done. First of all, thank you
so much. Second of all, I know I'm well dressed today, I apologize, but it's very comfortable.
I wanted to get your thoughts on, and I apologize if you've already addressed this,
I did come in a little late. We talk about how the narrative has fallen. We've moved on to whether,
you know, at face value, what we're seeing in Russia and Ukraine is true or not, as a distraction.
I have been seeing this new, this variant being discussed in China, in Hong Kong,
seeing this huge spike in deaths being attributed to the sub-Omicron, Delta-Omicron variant.
And I kind of wrote it off over the last couple days as a distraction. And now they're talking
about Delta-Cron. So again, I apologize if you've already referenced this, but the thing is,
could you share your thoughts on both the Delta-Cron and this stealth Omicron?
Yeah. So, you know, I think these are, this is to be expected. This virus mutates so quickly,
and particularly when it reaches such high viral loads. So the fact that Omicron and Delta have
genetically combined is no surprise. And I think this is going to be the story. I'm not sure
we know where it ends, but I think we're going to see recombination of viruses for a long time.
I don't know. I mean, yes, I think this is an issue. I think that they are going to combine
whether immunity following natural immunity. So if natural immunity to Omicron gives you
protection against this new variant remains to be determined. My understanding was that Omicron gave
you protective antibodies against Delta. So there's the possibility if you've had Omicron,
it may protect you. You know, I don't know. I think this, you know, I don't know where this is
going, but I think that the more we vaccinate, the more we're going to put selective pressure on
different mutations. And this is just going to keep on mutating. Thank you. But it's a good
question. I think we're going to have to wait and see. Thank you, Dr. Ware. Thank you. Cordelia,
who's a pathologist, Paul in the UK. Yeah, just back to the aspirin issue. Small proportion of
people will get thrombocytopenia after vaccination, and that can be so severe that they develop a
brain hemorrhage or other hemorrhages. And so if we give everybody an aspirin after the vaccination,
there will be a small proportion where it actually will make things worse.
So it might not be a good idea to give everybody aspirin. It might be a good idea to check the
platelets first. Just a comment, because I do know two people just in this town who had a
brain hemorrhage after the vaccine. And so if they have low platelets and take an aspirin and have a
brain hemorrhage, it can be fatal. In fact, the two I know in just this town, one died and the
other one I don't dare to ask. Yeah, so you raise a really important question. So
ITP has been well described after the vaccination. So it's a good question. You know, the problem is,
is that from a logistic point, I suppose you're right that post vaccination, you should have a
CRP done and a CBC done and see what it looks like. Because there's a small group of people
that will develop ITP. Yeah, I mean, ideally not vaccinated at all. But I'm just saying if you if
we just give everybody an aspirin saying they say that that is probably misleading. Yeah, I agree
with you. Yes, it's a good point. Thank you, Cordelia. All right, Steven, would you last
questions to you and to thank Paul for being with us? Yeah, I was just trying to formulate
something. So I was thinking about so Paul and Cordelia. So Cordelia is a pathologist,
Paul. So she's a medical doctor, obviously. And so I remember we wrote to the European Medicine
Agency about clotting. So when I say we, Sukrit Bhakdi and I worked on letters. And one of the
concerns he had early on that I'm talking about, February, January, February of 2021,
was that he predicted the clotting, which eventually the European Medicines Agency came up
with. And he told me that the thing about the clotting was that you got micro clotting and
macro clotting, if you like. And in a way, it was better to know about the macro clotting,
because he suspected that there was lots of micro clotting going on, which wasn't being detected
by doctors, even if they were looking for it. So but he also said, and I remember this, that you
get, I think he said paradoxical hemorrhage after all the clotting, because all the clotting factors
have been used up. So Cordelia, I don't know whether you've thought of that. I just wonder
what you think about it. And also Paul, because you're a professor of medicine. So
so yeah, I must confess, I wish I knew everything I don't profess to know. So I don't know. It's a
good question. But you know, when you have a question, you go look for the answers. So I will
try and look for an answer. So I think, Sukrit, I don't want to misrepresent him, but I think he
was talking about paradoxical hemorrhage after the clotting caused by the spiked protein.
And he told he was also talking at that time about cerebral venous,
cerebral venous sinus thrombosis. And of course, pulmonary embolism and all that kind of the deep
venous thrombosis which leads in the legs, which leads or leg usually, which leads to the
pulmonary embolism. So Paul, I just wonder,
do you agree with me that as far as you know, looking at things as a doctor now, so you know,
your clinical, your opinion as a doctor, an experienced doctor, do you agree with me that
there was no medical justification for any of the measures in this so-called emergency,
which was not emergency. And the measures include social distancing,
masks, and of course, the so-called vaccine, which wasn't a vaccine,
which was okayed by the FDA in the emergency use authorization when there wasn't an emergency.
And so the whole thing was medically unnecessary. And indeed, actually, that means that this was
medical, human medical experimentation subject to the Nuremberg code. We were taught about that in
medical school. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you. Every single one of these interventions is a
complete failure and is not based on good science and has been harmful across the board. Yes,
for that question. And so, so we're medical doctors. So, and also I was saying to my own family,
the government are talking, saying, follow the science, which is rigid, of course,
it's rigid compared with medicine. I remember Peter McCullers saying in the same lecture to
the American Association for Physicians and Surgeons, that practicing cardiology in the
practice of cardiology, only 6% of the time were they following protocols and guidelines.
In other words, they were relying on their clinical acumen. And in your field in emergency,
sorry, critical care, you really have to be thinking on your feet as doctors, don't you?
You can't slavishly follow protocols. As you say, every situation is different, every patient's
different. So I just wonder what you have to say about that. So should the politicians have been
saying follow the medicine rather than follow, but they didn't want to say that, of course,
because they wanted to undermine doctors and medical profession. My final question is, do you
think it's possible that there was an intent to undermine the medical profession and medical
doctors and that the doctors were actually set up by these criminals? Yes, yes, and yes. And I think
this idea of following the science is not the science is following the false narrative.
If we had followed the science and allowed doctors to be doctors, we wouldn't be where we are,
because medicine basically is the art of applying science at the bedside. You use your clinical
skills, plus the art of interpreting the science and applying it to your patient.
So we haven't been following the science. We've been following the lies and the false propaganda.
And the bottom line is let doctors be doctors, let them do follow the science and use their
clinical judgment. But do you think that's our best line of attack, Paul, to to accuse governments of
attempting to practice medicine when they have proper training? Yes, there's no question there.
The NIH and the FDA, who are advisory boards, are practicing medicine. There's no question.
They are practicing medicine. They do not have the authority to do so. Exactly, and they haven't been
trained to do it either, and they haven't got the experience. Yes, but they are practicing, indeed,
they are practicing medicine. Yes, so they're charlatans. Yes. So that would might be our best
line of attack. Yes, exactly. I mean, the FDA puts out these guidelines in treating medicine.
They do not treat, they approve medications. They don't treat patients. Exactly. Very good. All right,
Stephen, enough. We're letting Paul, we're letting Paul go. He's, he's two and a half hours, Paul.
Great effort, everybody. Big, big round of thanks in the traditional way. Thank you, Hank. Hey,
one question, Stephen, are you, did you record this? Yes. Okay, so because there are some people
who may be interested in listening to this Long Mammoth show. If you could send me the link.
Yes, I will do. Yeah, would you, do we have permission to, to publish it?
You have my permission. You can publish it anywhere. If you want to send it to CNN, that would be great.
To who? Who did you say? CNN or ABC. Oh, sorry. Yes, yes. Yes, we'll send it to CNN. I'll send it
to Laura Ingraham at Fox News as well. Yes, I'm sure they've been, I'm sure they've been really
happy to play this. Yes. Well, Laura Ingraham is one of our supporters, I think. So, okay.
Thanks a lot, Eib. Is there anyone else you could, you could recommend to speak to us sometime? Is
there anyone in your group or is there anyone in another group that would enjoy speaking to us
sometime? Talking to us, discussing potential solutions, that sort of thing? Have you, you've
obviously spoken with Pierre? Yes, yes. I don't think we've had him as a, a, a guest though, have we?
No, I don't think we've had him as a guest. Actually, we should do that. Yeah, could you put it in a word for us, Paul?
Yeah, sure. So, I'll tell you what, you send me the link and then I can send it to him and then
he can see what a nice format this is. He's been on our, he's been on our call a couple times before
and I can always call him and bug him or something, but yeah. Okay. Thank you,
Paul. Godspeed. God bless you. Thank you, Paul. Thanks, E. Yes. Bye-bye.