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This is the short version. 40 0:04:19 --> 0:04:24 David Rasnik received his PhD in chemistry from Georgia Tech in 1978. He worked 20 years in 41 0:04:24 --> 0:04:30 pharmaceutical biotech industries and founded four biotech companies. He developed inhibitors 42 0:04:30 --> 0:04:34 against the enzymes responsible for the tissue destruction caused by cancer, emphysema, and 43 0:04:34 --> 0:04:40 arthritis. The same class of inhibitors are powerful anti-parasitic agents. Dave left the 44 0:04:40 --> 0:04:47 pharmaceutical biotech industry in 1996 and joined UC Berkeley and Professor Peter Juesberg's fight 45 0:04:47 --> 0:04:56 against the blatantly wrong dogma that HIV causes AIDS. Dave is former president of Rethinking AIDS, 46 0:04:56 --> 0:05:01 the group for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV hypothesis and former president of the 47 0:05:01 --> 0:05:05 International Coalition for Medical Justice. He was also a member of South Africa President 48 0:05:05 --> 0:05:12 Tabo Mbeki's presidential AIDS advisory panel that met in 2000. Along the way, Peter, Juesberg, 49 0:05:12 --> 0:05:25 and Dave Rasnik proved the aneuploidy theory of cancer. Since February 2020, Dave has been 50 0:05:25 --> 0:05:31 working with people like us around the world fighting the COVID-initiated global coup d'etat. 51 0:05:31 --> 0:05:38 His full CV and four decades of information are available on his website, davidrasnik.com. 52 0:05:39 --> 0:05:43 So, David, we thank you for being here and with huge thanks to Stephen Frost for founding this 53 0:05:43 --> 0:05:49 group and securing today's speaker. Let's dive in with open minds, fierce passion, 54 0:05:49 --> 0:05:57 and a relentless drive for truth, ethics, justice, freedom, and health. David, over to you. 55 0:05:57 --> 0:06:02 Okay, very good. I want to share my screen real quick. Yep, go for it. 56 0:06:02 --> 0:06:08 So, I forgot where the share. Oh, it's down at the bottom. Down at the bottom. That's it. There we 57 0:06:08 --> 0:06:19 go. I go in here and click this one and share. Yep, it's coming up. It's working. And now we 58 0:06:19 --> 0:06:26 can see just prior to and during the COVID coup d'etat. Does that fill up the screen pretty much, 59 0:06:26 --> 0:06:31 I hope? No, it's filling up one third of the screen. I can make it bigger. 60 0:06:32 --> 0:06:38 Yep. That's it. Very good. Oh, that's good. Okay. All right. I just thought I'd leave this up here 61 0:06:40 --> 0:06:46 for right now because I'm going to be talking before I get in a little bit about some background. 62 0:06:47 --> 0:06:54 Stephen asked me to give a talk about Carey Mullis. And Carey Mullis is a good friend of mine, 63 0:06:54 --> 0:07:00 was a good friend of mine. And I never ever thought about giving a talk about Carey Mullis before. 64 0:07:01 --> 0:07:07 So, I had to take a deep dive into the history and I found out lo and behold, I've been 65 0:07:08 --> 0:07:12 collaborating and working with Carey off and on for 25 years, 66 0:07:14 --> 0:07:20 up to just right before he died, as a matter of fact. So, that was a little stunner for me 67 0:07:21 --> 0:07:30 doing this research here. Anyway, a little history. We even go back a lot further than that, 68 0:07:30 --> 0:07:37 but I didn't know it. Carey and I, I learned, we both went to Georgia Tech. And he was there 69 0:07:37 --> 0:07:43 two years ahead of me, so we did not know each other. And we both worked in the San Francisco 70 0:07:43 --> 0:07:51 Bay area in the 1980s. And again, we didn't know each other. We're really, really close to each 71 0:07:51 --> 0:08:00 other. And Peter Duesberg introduced me to Carey in the mid 1990s when I joined up with Peter. I 72 0:08:00 --> 0:08:07 joined up with Peter in 1996, but I met him for the first time in 1993, just to go over there 73 0:08:08 --> 0:08:16 and meet this man that wrote that paper in 1986, that basically shot down the HIV theory of cancer. 74 0:08:16 --> 0:08:24 And of course, it cost him all of his grant money and a lot of goodwill from a lot of people in 75 0:08:24 --> 0:08:31 academia and government. But that's all right. He lived with that and has lived with it for a long 76 0:08:31 --> 0:08:39 time. But so, like I said, Carey and I have been interacting for over 25 years. And that's the 77 0:08:39 --> 0:08:44 shocker now to me. I hadn't thought about it in that way. The most memorable meeting for us, 78 0:08:45 --> 0:08:55 both of us, was in 1997 in Bucamuranga, Columbia. This was a group of students 79 0:08:57 --> 0:09:06 put together a conference for us to talk about the AIDS. So we invited a lot of people from all over 80 0:09:06 --> 0:09:11 the world. They did. The students did. And let's see if I have that thing up here right now. 81 0:09:15 --> 0:09:21 There it is. So here is the, can you see the Bucamuranga conference up there? Does that show 82 0:09:21 --> 0:09:30 up right now? I can't hear anybody. Yes, we can, David. Okay, good. The Colombian Conference 83 0:09:30 --> 0:09:36 in the Nature of Science. Right. This is in the handouts, the stuff that you can download, by the 84 0:09:36 --> 0:09:44 way. And all the stuff I'm talking about is in that link there. And you can download all this stuff. 85 0:09:44 --> 0:09:50 This, I'm not going to read all these pages, but this was so interesting. We met there, actually, 86 0:09:50 --> 0:09:57 it was in 1997. This was an article published in 1998 by Mark Gaber-Conlin. He is one of the 87 0:09:57 --> 0:10:05 journalists. Celia, you probably know about Mark, Mark Conlin, and the other AIDS folks, anybody 88 0:10:05 --> 0:10:12 else on this talk today. And I'm going to read just a little bit of it, because it gives the history 89 0:10:12 --> 0:10:19 about those days. Put my glasses on here. And I'm going to read it from this paper in my hand, 90 0:10:19 --> 0:10:25 but you can just see where I'm starting from. It said, a truly remarkable event occurred at the 91 0:10:25 --> 0:10:32 University of Sandantar in Bucamuranga, Colombia last October, two through five. For only the 92 0:10:32 --> 0:10:39 second time in the rather grim history of AIDS, the first was in Amsterdam, the Netherlands, 93 0:10:39 --> 0:10:45 in 1992. A conference took place under the government auspices that featured scientists 94 0:10:45 --> 0:10:52 challenging the conventional wisdom that AIDS is an infectious sexually transmitted disease 95 0:10:52 --> 0:10:56 caused by a single virus. So there's only been two conferences, international ones like that, 96 0:10:57 --> 0:11:04 where people actually were allowed to criticize the hypothesis. Most of the major figures in 97 0:11:04 --> 0:11:09 the scientific community who have challenged the mainstream view of AIDS were present, 98 0:11:09 --> 0:11:14 including UC Berkeley microbiology professor Peter Duesberg, Nobel laureate Kerry Mullis, 99 0:11:15 --> 0:11:23 Stefan Laca, who has gone further than Duesberg in questions whether retroviruses, including HIV, 100 0:11:23 --> 0:11:31 even exist. The conference was the brainchild of Dr. Robert Roberto Geraldo, who was a good 101 0:11:31 --> 0:11:37 friend of mine, and I'm pretty sure Celia's too. And he was an expatriate of Colombia, 102 0:11:37 --> 0:11:44 who was one of the country's most respected experts on infectious diseases until he became 103 0:11:44 --> 0:11:49 convinced in the late 1980s that AIDS was not infectious. Though he reached his conclusions 104 0:11:49 --> 0:11:56 independently of Peter Duesberg, he didn't read any of Duesberg's paper on the subject until after 105 0:11:56 --> 0:12:01 he was already convinced, based on his own observations, that AIDS could not possibly be 106 0:12:01 --> 0:12:07 an infectious disease. He faced similar treatment from his country's AIDS establishment. 107 0:12:07 --> 0:12:13 When he tried to present his alternative view of AIDS in Medellin in 1987 and 88, 108 0:12:13 --> 0:12:18 after eight years in the Colombian countryside, he found that instead of seriously considering 109 0:12:18 --> 0:12:24 his views, his former colleagues questioned his sanity and actually threatened to have 110 0:12:24 --> 0:12:30 him committed to a mental institution. Dr. Geraldo was forced to flee Colombia and took refuge in the 111 0:12:30 --> 0:12:36 United States, first in Miami and then in New York. He began to follow the alternative AIDS 112 0:12:36 --> 0:12:42 literature in the scientific press and sent papers to his ex-colleagues back in Colombia. 113 0:12:42 --> 0:12:49 Over time, their attitudes softened, and earlier this year he was invited back to Colombia for a 114 0:12:49 --> 0:12:55 series of lectures. Out of this grew the idea of a conference chaired by a professor at the 115 0:12:55 --> 0:13:03 University of Sandander named Phidias Leon S., who had done research on retroviruses in Japan 116 0:13:03 --> 0:13:10 in the early 1990s and concluded that they could not cause human disease. Though there were attempts 117 0:13:10 --> 0:13:15 to suppress the conference, including last-minute withdrawals of financial support and threats by 118 0:13:15 --> 0:13:23 other professors at the University of Sandander, to give failing grades to any medical students 119 0:13:23 --> 0:13:29 who dared attend, for the most part, the conference was well received. Even members of the Colombian 120 0:13:29 --> 0:13:38 public health establishment, who disagreed with the conference's critique of the HIV-AIDS model, 121 0:13:38 --> 0:13:44 still treated the speakers with respect and interest, a far cry from the quasi-religious 122 0:13:44 --> 0:13:51 defensiveness with which these ideas are still treated in the USA. David Rastig, PhD, a 20-year 123 0:13:51 --> 0:13:57 veteran biochemical researcher whose work on protease enzymes has convinced him that the still 124 0:13:57 --> 0:14:06 highly high protease inhibitors will be useless against AIDS. He offered his experiences from the 125 0:14:06 --> 0:14:12 Colombian conference and other international outreach efforts and discussed the anecdotal 126 0:14:12 --> 0:14:18 evidence of the people with AIDS allegedly doing better on protease inhibitor nucleoside analog 127 0:14:18 --> 0:14:24 combination therapy. Conlon, here's his question, how did the conference go? 128 0:14:25 --> 0:14:31 Rastig, that's me, my answer. It went very well, sort of like Hollywood movie. You didn't know if 129 0:14:31 --> 0:14:37 they were ever going to pull it off or not because so many evil machinations and things going on 130 0:14:37 --> 0:14:43 behind the scenes. But all went well in spite of the efforts of powerful people to throw a monkey 131 0:14:43 --> 0:14:50 wrench into the works. Peter Duesberg and Carey Mullis were down there and I'm convinced that 132 0:14:50 --> 0:14:55 their presence alone is what made the thing a really big success. There were a lot of people 133 0:14:55 --> 0:15:00 there from different countries but those two were the ones that really drew the media. We got front 134 0:15:00 --> 0:15:08 page coverage there in the newspapers and there were some government officials and we were treated 135 0:15:08 --> 0:15:15 like royalty. They were sort of ambivalent. It was a major piece of national prestige to have the 136 0:15:15 --> 0:15:21 Nobel laureate Carey Mullis there but they wanted to keep it quiet. They didn't want the public to 137 0:15:21 --> 0:15:27 know about it other than just that it was happening. They didn't want them to know what we were talking 138 0:15:27 --> 0:15:34 about. They just wanted them to know that we were in their country, especially Carey Mullis, the 139 0:15:34 --> 0:15:41 Nobel laureate. The government pulled out $20,000 of promised support at the last minute 140 0:15:42 --> 0:15:50 as an 11th hour, at the 11th hour so to speak. I don't know this but I wouldn't be surprised if 141 0:15:50 --> 0:15:56 they intended that all along just to kill the conference, hoping that that would do it. 142 0:15:56 --> 0:16:03 That's just my suspicious nature. That's me talking by the way. Another thing they did 143 0:16:04 --> 0:16:11 the school, the university threatened the students with failure if they attended the conference. 144 0:16:11 --> 0:16:17 They had over 700 people who had scheduled to attend and only 250 or so actually showed up 145 0:16:18 --> 0:16:22 but they were there throughout the whole thing. There was a lot of serious pressure to stop it. 146 0:16:23 --> 0:16:29 Here's Conlon's question to me. Where do you think the pressure was coming from? This is my answer. 147 0:16:30 --> 0:16:34 Oh, I know exactly where it was coming from. It was coming from the government health officials. 148 0:16:35 --> 0:16:41 We even met them. This one fellow that we met, I forget his name, warned us about who to talk to 149 0:16:41 --> 0:16:48 and who not to talk to. He didn't threaten us but he did warn us to be careful about what we said 150 0:16:48 --> 0:16:54 and who we talked to. Of course, we talked to whomever showed up in the auditorium. We've been 151 0:16:54 --> 0:16:59 doing that our whole professional lives. This guy was trained at the CDC at the US Centers for 152 0:16:59 --> 0:17:06 Disease Control. My guess is that he was in contact with the CDC and I'm sure he was. He 153 0:17:06 --> 0:17:12 wanted to know how to handle this thing and deal with it. Also, the government health establishment 154 0:17:12 --> 0:17:18 held an emergency conference right after ours to try to counter our conference. For all I know, 155 0:17:18 --> 0:17:24 maybe the CDC was funding this emergency conference to counter ours. I don't know that 156 0:17:24 --> 0:17:32 for a fact but somebody was paying for it. It could be the Colombian government. They're 157 0:17:32 --> 0:17:43 certainly not poor. Conlon, it could be the narco traffickers didn't want a lot of the people 158 0:17:43 --> 0:17:49 wondering about Colombia saying the drug use was causing AIDS. Who knows? That's what Conlon was 159 0:17:49 --> 0:17:54 wondering. This is my answer. You never know. You can think of all sorts of things. I haven't 160 0:17:56 --> 0:18:02 contacted good old Phidias Leon since then because I just got back from Kiev and I was there for a 161 0:18:02 --> 0:18:08 week doing AIDS stuff there. That went very well too. There was a meeting held in the sociology 162 0:18:08 --> 0:18:16 department of one of the universities. It had 60 people there. Two Ukrainian TV crews were there 163 0:18:16 --> 0:18:21 and I was interviewed on both of them. They had the country's leading health officials and AIDS 164 0:18:21 --> 0:18:27 experts and things. Then I asked on the air how many AIDS patients are there in the Ukraine? 165 0:18:28 --> 0:18:36 There are 170 AIDS patients they said out of 52 million people. They had almost that many people 166 0:18:36 --> 0:18:45 in that room, 170 studying AIDS as there were AIDS patients. I had to ask them on the air why 167 0:18:45 --> 0:18:51 are Ukrainians afraid of AIDS when there are so few AIDS patients? Of course, there was no answer 168 0:18:51 --> 0:18:58 to that. That went well. Actually, we had a debate and a discussion there with the proponents of the 169 0:18:58 --> 0:19:06 HIV AIDS Hypothesis. Almost done here, folks. I told them that was very unusual. That would not 170 0:19:06 --> 0:19:13 happen in this country, in the United States. It was a dignified, respectful debate and I told them 171 0:19:13 --> 0:19:19 how much I really appreciated it. They're going to write it up, they said. Here's what Conlon asked. 172 0:19:20 --> 0:19:25 Did anything new emerge out of these meetings? Any new information, new ideas? This was my answer. 173 0:19:26 --> 0:19:33 No, it was all a one-way flow of information. All the stuff that I had to say, Peter had to say, 174 0:19:33 --> 0:19:38 and all the rest of them, Kerry had to say, was pretty much the same old story. We added more 175 0:19:38 --> 0:19:45 details in terms of the drug AIDS Hypothesis and more literature data that supported it. The only 176 0:19:45 --> 0:19:52 thing new about these meetings was that they happened at all. The proponents of the HIV AIDS 177 0:19:52 --> 0:20:00 Hypothesis in Ukraine were very ill-prepared. I didn't try to humiliate them. I just answered 178 0:20:00 --> 0:20:05 their questions and they appreciated that. I appreciated the fact that they were there, period. 179 0:20:07 --> 0:20:12 There was nothing really new. No breakthrough, no breakthrough stuff or anything like that. 180 0:20:12 --> 0:20:18 It was sort of like going to the HEAL, Health Education AIDS Liaison, HEAL meeting. It was one 181 0:20:18 --> 0:20:26 of the big groups during the AIDS era, but with a lot more high-flute folks around. That's just the 182 0:20:26 --> 0:20:33 part that I wanted to read as a little background about what it was like during the AIDS era. 183 0:20:34 --> 0:20:40 We were having these sorts of things all over the world that were never covered in the United 184 0:20:40 --> 0:20:46 States. Celia is here with us today. She could probably tell you about all the places that she 185 0:20:46 --> 0:20:55 went and how it happened and how it went. She went all over Africa, for example, which I only went to 186 0:20:55 --> 0:21:03 South Africa. I'll get that off of there. I just wanted to give a little bit of background. 187 0:21:05 --> 0:21:12 The Columbia thing was where Kerry and I, we actually walked around a lot. We met a lot of 188 0:21:12 --> 0:21:19 people. He and I got to know each other. For days, we were constantly together. We were walking 189 0:21:19 --> 0:21:23 around talking about things, getting very familiar with each other personally, professionally, 190 0:21:24 --> 0:21:32 and other ways. Let's see, I forget what else I was going to tell you about that. 191 0:21:35 --> 0:21:40 We stayed pretty close in touch over the years either through emails or whatever, 192 0:21:40 --> 0:21:46 but our particular backgrounds professionally did not overlap other than the AIDS stuff. 193 0:21:46 --> 0:21:52 So, Dave, we've got your menu covering the picture. 194 0:21:52 --> 0:21:56 Oh, sorry about that. Sorry about that. Yeah. That's it. That's good. I closed that thing out. 195 0:21:56 --> 0:22:00 Appreciate you telling me that. I'm not so good at this kind of stuff. 196 0:22:04 --> 0:22:11 That was Buka Moranga. There were so many things there. Oh, this was an interesting little story. 197 0:22:12 --> 0:22:17 Kerry had two security guards because he was a big deal there, a Nobel laureate, that they were very 198 0:22:17 --> 0:22:22 happy who was there. They didn't want anything to happen to Kerry while he was there. So, 199 0:22:22 --> 0:22:27 they had these two guys that were very innocuous. One of them carried a bag that, I don't know, 200 0:22:27 --> 0:22:31 probably had a machine gun in it or something like that. They were always following us around 201 0:22:31 --> 0:22:37 with the restaurants. They would get a table, several tables away from us, but always facing us. 202 0:22:38 --> 0:22:43 When we were driving around, they'd be in the car behind us making sure that nothing happened. 203 0:22:44 --> 0:22:48 They're basically protecting Kerry. They didn't want a big international 204 0:22:48 --> 0:22:55 issue with him. We were driving. Kerry wanted to go up in the mountains. He wanted to seize 205 0:22:55 --> 0:23:00 the highlands. The security guards pulled their car up in front of us and stopped us. 206 0:23:02 --> 0:23:06 We thought they were trying to... There's rebels in the mountains, in the highlands there. 207 0:23:07 --> 0:23:13 We thought that they were trying to protect us against the rebels. The security guards said, 208 0:23:13 --> 0:23:19 no, they wouldn't bother us. They wouldn't bother Kerry. They would go after the security guards 209 0:23:20 --> 0:23:26 because they weren't for the government. So, we turned around and headed back to Bucamuranga. 210 0:23:28 --> 0:23:33 That's just one of those little things I thought of pass along only because it's probably the only 211 0:23:33 --> 0:23:41 opportunity I'll ever get to share it with people ever again. What's next in my little thing here? 212 0:23:42 --> 0:23:49 Let me tell you about the students. The students organized this conference. They really did. 213 0:23:50 --> 0:23:58 They were risking failing. They were kicked out of school, but that 250 or however many that was 214 0:23:58 --> 0:24:05 there, they hung in there, man. We were so proud of those people. I took a photograph of all of them. 215 0:24:05 --> 0:24:10 Had them all together. I took a picture. I no longer have that picture, unfortunately. I wish 216 0:24:10 --> 0:24:16 I had that because they were brave. They were risking stuff just to be in there and support us. 217 0:24:16 --> 0:24:24 I really, really appreciated that and wanted to support them. All right, that's that. 218 0:24:24 --> 0:24:34 Moving on. Okay, now the emails. I got an email from, let's see here, Kerry Mollison, 2007. 219 0:24:35 --> 0:24:43 I don't know. Let's see. What is that? The email from, it was 2007. Wrong. Oh, yeah. Okay. That comes 220 0:24:43 --> 0:24:49 a little later. That's number eight. Yeah, okay. I see that. That comes a little later. All right. 221 0:24:49 --> 0:25:00 So now I'm going to get into the issues of later in life, up to the point where he died. 222 0:25:00 --> 0:25:10 The email exchanges that happened during that period. They're pretty telling. Let's see where 223 0:25:10 --> 0:25:16 we're at here now. I can get rid of this one. Let's get rid of that one. All right, let's see. 224 0:25:20 --> 0:25:32 Okay. We can now see the email from Nancy Mullis. That's Nancy Mullis and that was in April 14, 2020. 225 0:25:35 --> 0:25:39 If you make it a bit bigger so people can read it. Yeah, let me do that. Let me make it bigger. 226 0:25:40 --> 0:25:49 Let's see. How's that? Good. Okay. You can scroll up if you're reading from it. 227 0:25:50 --> 0:25:55 I'll get better at this, I guess, as I go along, guys. Yeah, well, you're pretty young, Dave, so 228 0:25:55 --> 0:26:00 you've got plenty of time to learn. See, I'm too old for this new technology. That's the problem. 229 0:26:01 --> 0:26:12 All right. So anyway, I had contacted Kerry on, let's see, wrong. That's the guy. 230 0:26:12 --> 0:26:20 That page. Email Kerry 2007. Oh, yeah. I had an email from Kerry September 2007. 231 0:26:24 --> 0:26:28 Right. I don't guess I have that up there. No, I don't have that one. 232 0:26:32 --> 0:26:38 What's this? Oh, yeah. This was it right here. It's just a shorty. 233 0:26:38 --> 0:26:45 Let's read. I don't have it in there. I don't think. Oh, yeah. This is when 2007, the reason 234 0:26:45 --> 0:26:52 I have this here, it's not important that it's in there though, is that this email was where Kerry 235 0:26:52 --> 0:26:59 was talking about some of his work and his work with his PCR. His PCR was a big deal 236 0:26:59 --> 0:27:05 and Nobel Prize and everything for it. And there was this big company called 237 0:27:06 --> 0:27:14 BioSearch and the CEO and president, Ron Cook, of course, made a fortune and that company still does 238 0:27:15 --> 0:27:20 based on PCR. It's one of the one of the world leading PCR companies. And of course, they want 239 0:27:20 --> 0:27:28 to make continue making a lot of money on that. And so I got this email. The reason I pulled it 240 0:27:29 --> 0:27:36 out is because he mentions it. Ron Cook, he's one of the founders, president, CEO of BioSearch 241 0:27:37 --> 0:27:44 early on. Absolutely right. When he first got, I think got the Nobel Prize, in fact, 242 0:27:44 --> 0:27:51 and even before that, he was involved in this stuff to try to commercialize the PCR 243 0:27:51 --> 0:27:59 PCR business and the company's BioSearch. And let's see here. And here's one little funny 244 0:27:59 --> 0:28:05 quote that I just want to read that Kerry Mullis is saying in here. He had a very long email. 245 0:28:05 --> 0:28:12 It says, we have so far been funded by $2 million from DARPA. That's the defense government thing. 246 0:28:13 --> 0:28:18 And we are looking now for $10 to $20 million to keep the working, 247 0:28:19 --> 0:28:24 working without having to deal with Anthony Fauci, he says. For reasons I can't understand, 248 0:28:24 --> 0:28:33 he doesn't like me. That's what Kerry said. And then he says, and I'm not the wizard that 249 0:28:34 --> 0:28:40 Peter Duesberg is or the suave marketeer that Sir Rastick with his illustrious Southern family 250 0:28:41 --> 0:28:47 represents, but I am fairly certain that Barry, that's the CEO, once he gets wind of it, 251 0:28:47 --> 0:28:54 will make a pile, make a lot of money. Anyway, the main thing why I did that was because 252 0:28:54 --> 0:28:58 that was one of the first places where he mentioned the guy by name Ron Cook. 253 0:29:00 --> 0:29:06 And his wife, Nancy, when she was on the phone with me, when Kerry was in the hospital and after he 254 0:29:06 --> 0:29:12 died, she didn't mention this guy's by name, but she had two men in there. I talked to her on the 255 0:29:12 --> 0:29:18 phone three times during this period. And they were, I could hear their voices. They were really 256 0:29:18 --> 0:29:22 close to her. I think they were trying to listen to the phone call too. And they were putting 257 0:29:22 --> 0:29:30 pressure on her. I didn't hear their voices, but the way she was behaving, and it was very clear 258 0:29:30 --> 0:29:35 that it was, it was, she was nervous about talking to me on the phone with these guys there. 259 0:29:36 --> 0:29:44 And what, and you'll see from this, these emails, let's see here, these emails, why she's nervous. 260 0:29:45 --> 0:29:53 This was an April 14, 2020. I know you emailed me last May, but this is when our whole world 261 0:29:53 --> 0:30:00 changed. I took Kerry to the ER at the Hoag, whatever that is, on May 6th. And three months later, 262 0:30:01 --> 0:30:06 three months later, he died. I got the right one up there, don't I? Yeah, this is the right one. 263 0:30:08 --> 0:30:14 Make sure that's right. Yeah, I do. I'm 14. Right, he died. And Kerry never again, 264 0:30:15 --> 0:30:20 and the thing is, a lot of people don't know, Kerry had a stroke. That's why he was in the hospital. 265 0:30:21 --> 0:30:28 Kerry never walked again due to a stroke he had in the hospital a week later. And it is, 266 0:30:28 --> 0:30:35 it is all too horrible and a long story, so she won't go into that. I'm having such a hard time 267 0:30:35 --> 0:30:41 with the loss of Kerry. He was my whole life, and I can't imagine the purpose now. I do hope 268 0:30:42 --> 0:30:49 to do something with his legacy, but we will see. Now, the reason I emphasize the stroke thing, 269 0:30:50 --> 0:30:57 Peter Duesberg had a stroke. You know, that, you saw that picture I had up there. He had a stroke, 270 0:30:57 --> 0:31:04 but he survived. But he is seriously debilitated. He cannot communicate very well. Kerry had a stroke 271 0:31:04 --> 0:31:12 and died. Okay. And then down here in the yellow again, I sent Peter a link to an article Celia 272 0:31:12 --> 0:31:19 Farmer wrote about PCR and the virus testing. She is totally off base, you say, because, 273 0:31:19 --> 0:31:25 and you'll see why. She refers to back to the AIDS time when Kerry said PCR should not be used to 274 0:31:25 --> 0:31:35 test AIDS and now is questioning why PCR should be used for COVID. The new version of the PCR, 275 0:31:35 --> 0:31:43 QPCR, RTPCR, all that stuff is the definitive test for the virus, and she doesn't seem to be 276 0:31:43 --> 0:31:52 aware of that. Totally hogwash. She is getting that stuff from Ron Cook. And you'll see that 277 0:31:53 --> 0:31:59 a little bit later. She has that pressure from her. Poor Nancy, she is getting this from these 278 0:31:59 --> 0:32:07 other people. We'll see more of that here in a little bit. And then let me scroll down a little 279 0:32:07 --> 0:32:15 bit. And then here is what she said. Here is what I received regarding her article from, 280 0:32:15 --> 0:32:23 no, this is what I wrote. Here is what I received regarding her article from my DNA contact. 281 0:32:25 --> 0:32:30 Let's see now. And then I asked, well, who is this person? This person is attempting to be 282 0:32:30 --> 0:32:40 provocative by saying that PCR-based techniques, et cetera, et cetera, don't work. All right. So 283 0:32:40 --> 0:32:47 this person is attempting to be provocative. Who is this DNA contact that she is talking about, 284 0:32:47 --> 0:32:56 this DNA contact? Well, that DNA contact turns out to be, let me make this this way. 285 0:32:59 --> 0:33:08 Maybe it's the next one over here. Ah, it's this one. This is the one. It's Ron Cook. 286 0:33:10 --> 0:33:25 The CEO and chairman of the BioSearch. And this was in 2015 email. So DNA contact turns out to be 287 0:33:25 --> 0:33:31 Ron Cook, who I knew it was anyway. And that was the guy that I showed you earlier, years prior to 288 0:33:31 --> 0:33:37 that, I think it was 2007 or something like that, Ron Cook that Carrie was talking about, working 289 0:33:37 --> 0:33:44 with at BioSearch. And Ron Cook has been a good source of information. I guarantee you he was the 290 0:33:44 --> 0:33:51 guy in that room with Nancy when she was on the phone with me. And it's not sure if you ever met 291 0:33:51 --> 0:33:58 the guy. I never did. But his company deals with this. Here is what he sent regarding what you sent, 292 0:33:58 --> 0:34:10 what I sent. And it says this. You can see that this is a quote. When designed correctly 293 0:34:10 --> 0:34:17 and validated, PCR gives the correct answer. But if designed by a casual user, can very much 294 0:34:17 --> 0:34:24 mislead. By the way, you, that was probably Nancy that he was talking to from the email, and Carrie 295 0:34:24 --> 0:34:32 met Stephen Buston. Now Stephen Buston is a very powerful critic of PCR. And I think I have one 296 0:34:32 --> 0:34:39 paper of his in the handouts here. But I got whole files of Buston. He totally shoots down the use of 297 0:34:39 --> 0:34:47 PCR, just like Carrie does. And so by the way, you, Nancy and Carrie met Stephen Buston at BioSearch 298 0:34:48 --> 0:34:54 and at the Friesling meeting in Germany. He is anal about the correct use of PCR and is the 299 0:34:54 --> 0:35:03 lead author in the MIQE guidelines that I sent you the other day. MIQU is the recipe for doing 300 0:35:03 --> 0:35:13 PCR correctly. Also Dave is correct about the reverse transcriptase step which precedes PCR. 301 0:35:13 --> 0:35:20 And Buston is very conscious of this step and the uncertainty of its efficacy, efficiency. 302 0:35:22 --> 0:35:28 But this step has improved markedly over the years. It is now somewhat reliable. But it is still the 303 0:35:28 --> 0:35:35 reason some say that PCR is not truly quantitative but more qualitative. But when measuring for 304 0:35:35 --> 0:35:44 COVID-19, this is a yes or no and not a quantitation thing. It is not an issue. Total BS. 305 0:35:44 --> 0:35:51 That statement in blue is total BS. But this guy is really defending his company. That's what that 306 0:35:51 --> 0:35:58 is in there. And he basically he's training Nancy, you know, about when people ask her about this 307 0:35:58 --> 0:36:02 stuff. That's what's going on right there. So now let me go back here to this one. 308 0:36:02 --> 0:36:08 All right. This is the email. What are these lines? I don't know. It's the same thing. What 309 0:36:08 --> 0:36:18 they are. Where that came from. Okay. And here's what I said. Hi, Nancy. That's what I said. 310 0:36:18 --> 0:36:26 Carrie was not supportive of using PCR to diagnose HIV infection as I recall. His standard PCR is 311 0:36:27 --> 0:36:33 his standard PCR is very powerful for many legitimate purposes but using it to make life 312 0:36:33 --> 0:36:40 altering medical decisions is a big mistake. Using the combination of reverse transcriptase 313 0:36:40 --> 0:36:46 to turn RNA into DNA followed by performing quantitative PCR to declare that a person is 314 0:36:46 --> 0:36:53 infected with coronavirus is a colossal mistake. I have attached a 2017 paper by Stephen Buston. 315 0:36:53 --> 0:37:00 That's good old Stephen Buston again. Where he takes great pains describing the myriad problems 316 0:37:00 --> 0:37:06 leading to irreproducibility of results when using reverse transcriptase quantitative PCR. 317 0:37:06 --> 0:37:12 That's what that all stands for. For diagnostic purposes. By the way, Buston gave an interview 318 0:37:12 --> 0:37:18 yesterday on this very subject. And there's the link to people that go to that interview. 319 0:37:19 --> 0:37:26 Okay. Sadly, Carrie is not here to set everybody straight. He was very good at doing that. He 320 0:37:26 --> 0:37:33 certainly was. And let's see here. We did that one. Okay. This must be on my computer. These 321 0:37:33 --> 0:37:38 weird lines here. I don't know how they got there. But yes, they got there some way, but it'll 322 0:37:38 --> 0:37:44 disappear in due course. Don't worry about that later. Yeah. Yeah. I get off this thing. Okay. 323 0:37:44 --> 0:37:48 I know I'm driving everybody nuts with this stuff, but it's the only time I'm really going 324 0:37:48 --> 0:37:56 to have the opportunity to present it to people. Well, this is important. It is because this becomes 325 0:37:56 --> 0:38:03 recorded and is your testimony really? It is. All right. So here, here is one of his numerous papers, 326 0:38:03 --> 0:38:10 but this was a good one. And let's see as of 2017, the title of it's great talking the talk, 327 0:38:10 --> 0:38:17 but not walking the walk. Reverse transcriptase quantitative PCR as a paradigm for the lack of 328 0:38:17 --> 0:38:22 reproducibility and molecular research. In other words, he's shooting it down right in the title. 329 0:38:22 --> 0:38:30 The reverse, let me wait, make it bigger for everybody here. There we go. The reverse 330 0:38:30 --> 0:38:35 transcription real-time quantitative PCR is probably the most straightforward measurement 331 0:38:35 --> 0:38:41 technique available for RNA quantification and is used, widely used at research diagnostic 332 0:38:41 --> 0:38:47 forensics and biotechnology applications. We demonstrate that elementary protocol errors, 333 0:38:47 --> 0:38:53 inappropriate data analysis, and inadequate reporting continue to be rife and conclude 334 0:38:53 --> 0:38:59 that the majority of published RTQ PCR data are likely to represent technical noise. In other 335 0:38:59 --> 0:39:06 words, they're totally useless in that regard. In practice, there are significant doubts about the 336 0:39:07 --> 0:39:13 validity of many research claims in the context of a flawed research infrastructure that encourages 337 0:39:13 --> 0:39:19 disregard for responsible scientific process, regulation, transparency, and reporting. 338 0:39:20 --> 0:39:25 Confidence in quantitative measurements depends on a number of parameters, one of which is 339 0:39:25 --> 0:39:31 reproducibility. Reproducibility incorporates both biological and technical variability, 340 0:39:31 --> 0:39:38 and as long ago as 1949, it was demonstrated that experimental test results can vary widely, 341 0:39:38 --> 0:39:44 even when performed by the same individual at the same time. Since then, there have been numerous 342 0:39:44 --> 0:39:50 publications that highlight the problems with lack of reproducibility. He gives a review. 343 0:39:51 --> 0:39:58 And the role journals play in failing to enforce their own editorial policies. This together with 344 0:39:58 --> 0:40:06 the fact that credibility and translation are only modestly correlated and explains why basic 345 0:40:06 --> 0:40:13 research findings are rarely adopted for clinical practice. Okay. And I think that's all I had 346 0:40:13 --> 0:40:17 highlighted in this. Yeah. No, there's something else. Well, we don't need to get into this right 347 0:40:17 --> 0:40:23 now. Other people, it's highlighted. You can look into it when you download the paper. 348 0:40:25 --> 0:40:32 And I just wanted to show this to everybody. It's about this Ron Cook and his company. 349 0:40:32 --> 0:40:41 His company is BioSearch. And here I know it's small. I thought it would, 350 0:40:41 --> 0:40:46 thought when I made it larger, you can see it here. But there's the guy's name. I highlighted it. 351 0:40:47 --> 0:40:55 The roots of BioSearch technologies can be traced back to 1978 when President and CEO Ron Cook, 352 0:40:55 --> 0:41:02 PhD, founded the company. And based on, and it's basic, really its primary thing is to 353 0:41:02 --> 0:41:10 solid-phase synthesis of DNA. That's what they do. And most notably in 1982, Carey Mullis at 354 0:41:10 --> 0:41:18 the CEUS Corporation used their instrument, the SAM1 DNA synthesizer, to create oligos, 355 0:41:18 --> 0:41:24 those are short little segments of DNA, for use in the experiments which eventually resulted in 356 0:41:24 --> 0:41:32 the invention of the polymerase chain reaction. You see, so they're getting every bit of publicity 357 0:41:32 --> 0:41:41 they can. Carey Mullis, a Nobel laureate, used their equipment to develop his polymerase chain 358 0:41:41 --> 0:41:48 reaction thing that he got the Nobel Prize for. And they've been making money off of it since, 359 0:41:48 --> 0:41:55 and that's why he was, I guarantee you, he was in there with the phone calls with Nancy Mullis 360 0:41:55 --> 0:42:00 when we were on the phone there. Okay, we're getting close to getting to the end now. 361 0:42:00 --> 0:42:10 This is another email here. This is April 19th. And this is Ron again, this is Ron Cook. And you 362 0:42:10 --> 0:42:16 see that the stuff above, this is Nancy. He says, here's the information I've been given by good 363 0:42:16 --> 0:42:24 sources. And that's Ron. Ron always wants to stay out of weighing in. He is so busy, also didn't 364 0:42:24 --> 0:42:29 want to be confronted with questions, I tell you that. The number of deaths could be inflated by 365 0:42:30 --> 0:42:38 those with pretty morbid conditions when there are various hidden agendas at work, mostly partisan 366 0:42:38 --> 0:42:41 and political. He's talking about the people who don't want to, who want to stay away from these 367 0:42:41 --> 0:42:47 PCR tests. But let me get this bigger here for you. See, it's still so, yeah, this will get bigger. 368 0:42:48 --> 0:42:53 All right. Now this stuff down here, this is coming from Ron Cook. You can tell she included 369 0:42:53 --> 0:42:59 this. These are not her words. These are Ron Cook's words that she included in the email. 370 0:42:59 --> 0:43:07 Testing is the solution, not the cause of the problems. The wholesale shutdown is due to the 371 0:43:07 --> 0:43:14 lack of testing. He talks about the shutdown of the country and of the world. The wholesale shutdown 372 0:43:14 --> 0:43:21 is due to a lack of testing. Since we don't know where the disease is, the solution has been to 373 0:43:21 --> 0:43:27 assume it's everywhere. That's why they shut down the whole country. That's his logic, all right, 374 0:43:27 --> 0:43:34 and the world for that matter. Not a long-term fix, not a long-term fix. So testing needs to be 375 0:43:34 --> 0:43:42 expanded. You see, we need to expand PCR testing so that we could reverse the lockdowns and 376 0:43:42 --> 0:43:49 the closing everything down. The problem is that there is no public health infrastructure to 377 0:43:49 --> 0:43:55 administer testing, and the FDA rules and rigs hamper the introduction of new methodologies. 378 0:43:56 --> 0:44:01 Blame it on everybody stopping the testing. At this point, there is no way to put the 379 0:44:01 --> 0:44:08 10, the tens of thousands of machines that it will take in every local clinic, 380 0:44:09 --> 0:44:16 nor hire and train the technicians to the standard required by the FDA. Again, everything is against 381 0:44:16 --> 0:44:22 our machines and against us testing. That's why we're locking down and closing everything up. 382 0:44:22 --> 0:44:30 Now we get away from him, and this comes back to her statements and basically what she's got from 383 0:44:30 --> 0:44:38 him eventually. Most importantly, the PCR that Kerry invented in 1983 has been improved and expanded 384 0:44:38 --> 0:44:46 with QPCR and reverse transcript HPCR. If done correctly, this will yield an analysis of the 385 0:44:46 --> 0:44:53 virus being present or not. Kerry would not have a problem with that. Oh yeah, this is, 386 0:44:53 --> 0:44:59 Kerry's not saying this. These are people saying it for Kerry. All right, so anyway, 387 0:44:59 --> 0:45:09 let me keep going here. Okay, this is April 2020. She's checking in with me again. Okay, 388 0:45:10 --> 0:45:20 I checked, let me make it bigger. There we go. Okay, I checked with Ron, and that's Ron 389 0:45:20 --> 0:45:27 Book again, and another close friend of Kerry's. As you surely remember, I'm not a scientist, so 390 0:45:27 --> 0:45:34 you know far more than me. I should probably decline the requests that come for Kerry's advice. 391 0:45:34 --> 0:45:41 It doesn't seem to be common knowledge that he died. Probably wasn't in those days, early days, 392 0:45:41 --> 0:45:47 but I hate all this misinformation put out there about him when he isn't around to present his 393 0:45:47 --> 0:45:55 opinion. That is why I wouldn't even read the Farber piece. And down here, we go a little below, 394 0:45:55 --> 0:46:03 and then I think this is what she was talking about. Celia's been writing about this PCR stuff 395 0:46:03 --> 0:46:12 herself, the problems with it. And this is what I said. I said, hi Nancy, the answer by the good 396 0:46:12 --> 0:46:18 sources, her sources, did not come close to answering my questions and concerns. It is 397 0:46:18 --> 0:46:24 certainly not a scientific response. I've been a scientist for four decades. I can handle a 398 0:46:24 --> 0:46:29 scientific response. They didn't even offer minimal evidence to support their claims other 399 0:46:29 --> 0:46:35 than the standard propaganda or defense of vested interest. That's all these guys did. That's what 400 0:46:35 --> 0:46:41 led her to respond above. So I guess there's enough of that. Don't need to go into all that detail. 401 0:46:43 --> 0:46:49 Now let's see. Okay, we already did that. I think I'm about close to being done. 402 0:46:49 --> 0:46:57 I don't need to know. Already did that. Hey guys, I think we're almost there. 403 0:46:58 --> 0:47:05 Impressive. Bustin, oh yeah, that thing. So anyway, I'll stop sharing. 404 0:47:06 --> 0:47:11 We don't need anything else there. Okay, I hope I didn't put all y'all to sleep. 405 0:47:12 --> 0:47:17 But I figured that was most of the time to do it and I'll probably never get another opportunity. 406 0:47:17 --> 0:47:26 That is important. Prime information. David, thank you so much for sharing it with us.