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Charles, where is your green jacket today?

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Yes.

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Look, I'll do better than that.

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I'll show you.

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OK, one thing that's been very missing from the American media, I don't know.

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I don't know if people want to know.

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Charles, as low as I am to admit it, but they actually suit you.

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You know, like, what is that?

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That's hash, isn't it?

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That's marijuana.

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Cannabis, the hemp plant.

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Sorry, yeah, sorry.

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So, yes.

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All right, let's get this show on the road where I'm wearing my St.

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Patrick's Day cannabis glasses.

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And I must say, having read a recent summary of the life of St.

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Patrick, around 400 AD, what an extraordinary man, what an extraordinary story.

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The starting point was that he was an Englishman who was captured by an Irish king in 400,

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slave traders, and taken to Ireland and was a slave for six years.

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So amazing story.

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But welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.

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And today's discussion, this group was founded by Dr.

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Stephen Frost four years ago, almost four years ago, with the desire to pursue truth,

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ethics, justice, freedom and health.

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Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower

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and activist, his medical specialty is radiology.

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At this time, we remember Rainer Fulmick and ask you to and urge you to see what you can

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do to shine a light on his unlawful incarceration by the German government, his show trial.

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Contrary to the law imposed by the German judicial system.

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I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.

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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago.

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And over the last 14 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine

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damage and damage from bad medical advice.

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Bad medical advice is now the number one killer of people in America ahead of cancer, heart

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attacks and diabetes.

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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.

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On the issue of health, someone sent through a link to me from last week's meeting about

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Morgan Spurlock, who did the movies Super Size Me and Super Size Me 2, who died suddenly

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at the age of 53, who was a great advocate for the COVID jabs, everybody.

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So it's clear what he died from.

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We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the world.

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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.

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Many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers.

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I am a passionate anti-vaxxer over the last 14 years from what I've learned.

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I urge you to check out the educational material available at informme.org, an Australian site

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with global experts talking about children's vaccines.

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And I urge you to study the work of Aaron Sirian, Shining a Light on Dr. Stanley Plotkin,

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the alleged godfather of children's vaccines in America, who has acknowledged that no vaccine

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ever in the history of humankind has ever been properly tested for safety and efficacy.

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And indeed, the front page of The Weekend Australian, a Murdoch newspaper who sometimes

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do good stuff, but the front page of The Weekend Australian two days ago said what a concern

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it was that there was vaccine hesitancy for children's vaccines caused by the anti-vax

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movement.

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Isn't that a good thing?

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Isn't that a wonderful thing?

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And you've never seen such a puff piece on the front page of a Murdoch paper in your

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life.

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So if this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the

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chat as you publish a newsletter or a podcast.

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Just put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you.

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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and the medical science battle

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is only one of twelve battle fronts of this latest world war.

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The spiritual battle front is another such battle front.

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There's no time to be tired.

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I assess we're five years into a seven year war, so stay healthy and get ready for the

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next two years at least.

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Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never settled.

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The meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time, Tom Rodman

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Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.

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We'll listen to our guest presenter today, Dr. Melina Sharma from the UK.

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For as long as Melina wishes to speak.

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And then we have Q&A.

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Stephen Frost, by long established tradition, asks the first questions for 15 minutes.

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This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating.

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Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms.

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If you're offended by anything, be offended.

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We are lovingly not interested.

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We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another.

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We similarly reject the triggering industry.

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Don't you dare say something that may trigger another.

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Both of these strategies are attacks on free speech.

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However, we come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear.

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And Melina, it's interesting to see the topic of your presentation today.

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Fear is the opposite of love.

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Fear squashes you and enslaves you.

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Love on the other hand expands you and liberates you.

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These twice weekly meetings are not just talkfests.

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An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by

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attendees in these meetings.

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We're waiting for the next marriage announcement from linkages made in these meetings.

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We hope to be the equivalent of RSVP in this group.

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So if any of you fall in love with anybody else in this group, let us know and we'll

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spread the word.

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details into the chat, the meeting is recorded and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel.

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And now welcome to our guest presenter, Dr. Melina Sharma.

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And we thank you, Melina, for giving us your time and sharing your wisdom and insights.

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And for the purposes of the recording and those who didn't get the invitation, let me

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do a short, give you a bit of a bio about Melina.

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You are a consultant dermatologist at the UK NHS hospital and specialist skin cancer

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Melina has a dual role of consultant, clinician and teaching.

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She is the academic lead and clinical associate professor at the University of Nottingham

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School of Medicine.

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She's a founder of the Royal College of Physicians.

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Centre of Evidence-based Dermatology.

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Melina achieved a PhD in medical education from the University of Nottingham, exploring

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the barriers and facilitators of specialty curriculum implementation across UK medical

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She's published widely as associate editor of the Journal of Clinical and Experimental

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Dermatology and has co-authored the National UK Undergraduate Curriculum for Dermatology.

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and Foundation Doctors Working Party Group.

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Melina was awarded a senior fellowship at the British College of Dermatology for her

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achievements in research and a contribution towards training of UK resident doctors.

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Congratulations on you.

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Unmute yourself and we're in your hands.

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And as you know, you can share your screen.

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So, Charles, I just I'm sure that Melina won't mind me saying that she was a little bit nervous

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So I said that we would try to support her.

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All of us try to support her.

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And so I think she's exactly the kind of person who will take the public along with her if

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she can get a message right.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you so much, Charles.

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And Stephen, can you hear me?

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Thank you so much for inviting me.

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I was a bit apprehensive when coming on to this chat.

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And of course, I've listened to many, many of your presentations here.

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I think everybody is very much aware.

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And the idea today is not to kind of go through all these stats and the graphs and the

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facts and the rest of it that people are already aware of, perhaps, but more about, you

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five years. So let me try and share my screen.

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Was it coming on?

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It happened beautifully before it'll happen.

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There it is coming up.

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OK, so the title of my talk is Love Conquers Fear.

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and then personal observations and experience during Covid.

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As a quiz, I might start asking people as to what these buildings are, and particularly

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this marble statue, if people are familiar with.

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I'll come to the end. I might ask people if they know this.

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So the picture on the top is the Indian Delhi, New Delhi Parliament building.

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The picture on the bottom right is Boston University.

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So my background is that I studied in India and I did my schooling in New Delhi.

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Hindu festivals. We enjoyed Christmas too.

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My mother was from Kerala. She's passed away, sadly, some time ago, but she's a qualified nurse.

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pursue her PhD in education.

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on LP records, which mom had kept.

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Institute of Medical Sciences in New Delhi to establish the first BSc nursing college at Ames

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graduation ceremonies.

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People who are not familiar with Ames, Delhi, just to let you know that it is a premier

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seats for the entire country.

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People could apply and go through a competitive exam and it still remains one of the premier

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institutes of India.

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They have now created under the Modi government, you know, more Ames in different sites.

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post-grad students, you know, nursing students, everybody coming, you know, coming for dinners

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are very much part of the National Health Service in the UK as well.

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knowledge and, you know, fantastic skills and Ames is actually known to drive the health

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he went on to Ottawa to pursue his further training in surgery in the 60s.

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I mean, he's retired and obviously in Delhi, but he was surgeon to the president of India.

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Gandhi was assassinated and Ames is the centre that all the dignitaries and head of states

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come for their treatments.

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Rajiv Gandhi, was assassinated.

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in the UK as my aunt was a teacher.

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medical registrar and being working in the intensive care unit.

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I then moved into dermatology research and I worked as a co-investigator for clinical trials.

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use of biologics for psoriasis, for example.

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you know, anything that the patient reported onto the record.

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I'm still involved in clinical trial work and at this time as well.

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They receive their information leaflets beforehand to the research nurse and then they come in and

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have their consent process done. And that again takes about half an hour

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because they've got to sign everything and I've got to make sure everything is okay.

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I've been, you know, pursuing research, partly in medical education and also we have done a

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Cochrane systematic review. But I've always enjoyed teaching

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and I've been a full-time NHS medic for almost 25 years.

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So you get a certificate if you have managed to survive this long in the NHS.

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So I'm still waiting for that, maybe probably August of this year.

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you know, and I have still got medical students from Nottingham.

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And I've been very privileged to be part of the BAD and have an actual role with them as well.

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And throughout my medical training, I have to say, you know, I had a really good experience

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with everybody around me, all my seniors around me, and everybody having a very patient-centred

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approach. And there was implicit, and there has been, implicit trust within the medical fraternity.

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So if guidelines were produced or are produced, we followed them because we trusted our colleagues

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because they'd spent all the time and effort and looking at the evidence

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when they were producing the guidelines or conducting any of the reviews.

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you know, when COVID hit. There was a lot of confusion. I was quite fearful. I was going into

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hospital operating with limited PPE on skin cancer patients with, you know, being very close to their

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face and scalp operating on them, being in close proximity. You were hearing about medics and

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nurses kind of dying. I was really quite fearful for my family and friends all over the world.

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and my relatives and friends in the UK, my dad's relative friends in India,

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my in-laws in Italy, my brother in Australia, my cousins and family in Canada. So hence, I had,

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you know, family everywhere, well, across the world, and which made me kind of look into what

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was happening across the world. So everyone was asked to isolate at home, which made me think,

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well, how would people know, you know, what condition they may be suffering from,

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you know, if they've been told you have to stay at home? What would happen? Do we not think that

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other diagnosis may be missed? So people with breathlessness could not just have a viral

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infection, could be a bacterial infection, it could be a heart attack, could be a pulmonary

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embolism. Are we going to be not looking at those diagnoses? There were no tools to identify at the

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time, you know, COVID. And then when PCR testing arrived, the swabs had to be inserted deep into

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the nasal cavity to find this highly infectious agent, which I again found a bit bizarre and

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surprising. Essential services continued. So we carried on with, you know, seeing skin cancer

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patients and emergencies, and we carried on operating on skin cancer patients. And teaching

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and training had to evolve at a rapid pace. And that meant, you know, getting online resources,

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etc., which I received national recognition for changing things for our trainings.

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not just as dermatologists, but as an acute medic, you know, there was news articles showing

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patients in ITU with the endotracheal tube in their mouth and talking. That was very strange.

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I've never seen that, you know, because usually you're sedated and you've got the endotracheal

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tube in your mouth and you're asleep, you know, you're in a coma, you know, you're in a coma,

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you're asleep, you know, you can't be talking. Then this talked about asymptomatic spread.

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patient may be asymptomatic. But if, if in my normal practice, if somebody is asymptomatic,

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I'm thinking, well, they're all right. They're healthy. They're not ill.

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accident, but tested positive, they still died of COVID. If they got stabbed in the street and

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tested positive with COVID, for COVID, they were still diagnosed, diagnosed with COVID.

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And it was COVID, COVID, COVID every day, 24-7, so much so that I had to stop my radio going into

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work because it was terrifying me. You know, every time I was going in the wrong direction,

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everybody was staying at home while I'm going into the hospital. And then I realized that,

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you know, I needed to have maybe some more information. And so I joined Twitter and

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telegrams trying to find some people who thought the same in the sense of, well, this all doesn't

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make sense to me. And I did find some people. And, you know, realized that this was also strange,

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that there were people who were, you know, asking questions, you know, making suggestions,

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saying, well, maybe we could do it another way, or maybe we could think differently. But for the

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first time, I was seeing that they were all being silenced. And now, of course, recently,

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Mark Zuckerberg has come out to say Facebook was silencing people. You know, my husband was being,

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I think, or friends who were trying to say things on Twitter were also silenced. So it was, again,

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something quite new and bizarre for me, because, you know, in medicine, you would expect people

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would be talking to each other, trying to find some, you know, solutions, especially if you

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think something is novel that's come out. And then, of course, there were attempts at treating COVID,

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you know, in the UK, you know, we start with the basic measures of stay at home isolation. But what

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were other countries doing? Now, because of my link with Ames, I was just looking at what these

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guys were up to. And so they came up with a protocol. I mean, this is the one that I've put

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up here is a more kind of up to date one. And I can't find the first protocol that came out.

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And that basically was, you know, suggesting vitamin C, D, zinc, hydroxychloroquine. Government

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of India, one of the state governments where my dad is currently in Uttar Pradesh, they started to

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distribute free vitamin D, C, zinc to all, you know, because, you know, as you know, India is not

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not very rich country and people, you know, have to do daily wages, etc. And then immunomodulants

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like cojise and hydroxychloroquine seem to be quite, you know, look to be attractive options.

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And then we had news that President Trump had COVID and then he had hydroxychloroquine.

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And that was immediately followed by a journal paper stating that the drug was very dangerous.

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And now it's been retracted, which again, to me was strange because for us in dermatology,

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we use hydroxychloroquine quite routinely. And, you know, it was safe to use. So again, that was

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bizarre and strange for me. I felt love was stronger than fear, because

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you all heard about Italy being so badly affected. My husband was very, very concerned about his

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parents. So he said, I'm going to Italy, I don't care. You have to come, you come. And I was like,

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no, no, I'm going to follow you. And we visited Italy. And actually, when we went to Sicily,

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things were okay. People were, I didn't, we didn't see anybody, you know, as, as what we were being

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shown on TV. It may be that on different areas. But again, strange occurrences. People were being

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fined for walking alone without a mask on the beach. There were huge restrictions without the

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COVID pass. So you couldn't enter the bank, you couldn't go to the post office. You couldn't enter

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a restaurant. And we had a similar, you know, experience when we went to India, because I was

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worried about my father. And so I was like, I have to go home, I have to go home, and I have to go

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and see my dad. And we visited India. And that was again strange. So there's lots of testing and

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tracing. But in all the time that I would visit India, and I was there, you know, we've had so

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many communicable diseases. We never had such a level of, of, you know, testing, tracing,

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phone calls, text messages, etc. In Delhi, you will find if you didn't wear a mask,

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even if you were alone in your car. So that again didn't make sense to me.

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And then the COVID jab rollout started. So some more interesting events were being noticed by

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myself. So a safe and effective product was created in less than six months. Normally,

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one would expect a vaccine to take years as you know, vaccines are given to healthy people, not,

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not the ill people. So you want to make sure that safety is paramount. The clinical trials were cut

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short, and the control group was unblinded and treated. So there was no comparison to the placebo.

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And that kind of meant we couldn't really find out what was happening for long term safety data.

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In Sicily, again, you know, people were being jabbed by personnel in mobile vans carrying,

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carrying these injections in ice boxes. And when actually the recommendation was to preserve and

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transport them at minus 80 degrees. So I mean, what you're doing with ice boxes in 40 degrees.

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Bizarre. And then finally, you know, people were considered unvaccinated for the first two weeks of

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receiving the job. So again, that made me think, you know, if I was to give somebody penicillin,

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and they had an adverse reaction, and had an anaphylaxis or had a really bad skin reaction,

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could I turn around and say, well, actually, you didn't have the penicillin, if it was with

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within two weeks of having the penicillin. Again, it was, it was bizarre.

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I started to get anecdotal reports from people around me of, of, you know, hairdressers,

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taxi drivers, people who were just talking, cleaning lady, shopkeepers telling me about,

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you know, sudden deaths, heart attacks, strokes, cancer amongst family members,

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you know, with brain tumors, lymphomas or breast cancer. And then of course, the mandates arrived,

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and that was across the world. So I was watching everywhere. I was looking Australia, because my

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brother and family lived there. I was looking at Canada, because my cousins lived there.

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And of course, the UK, you know, where care home workers and then NHS workers were

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all going to be affected. Of course, care home workers were affected. And so was most a lot of

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NHS workers. And eventually this was withdrawn. So if I saw somebody who was vaccine injured,

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you know, or the there was a temporary relationship amongst my patients or, or anyone,

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really, I was completing yellow cards to try and raise the concern about it. And then sharing

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relevant articles with people in India, because you may not be aware, but AstraZeneca version

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was being given to Indian population, which is called Covishield. And they had their own

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different version, a traditional method version that was co vaccine. So when AstraZeneca was

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withdrawn in the UK and elsewhere, India was still carrying on with Covishield. So it was

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important to just let people know that actually, we should be looking carefully about this,

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and perhaps looking to discontinue this.

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And in India, you know, two weeks after the injection started, I have a lovely group of

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school friends whom I've known from nursery standards. So in India, you carry on being

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together from nursery till high school. And now, you know, we're all at that age where we've known

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each other for almost 45 plus years. And it was just so distressing that that WhatsApp group,

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every morning because of the time difference from UK and India of five and a half hours,

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I would wake up and there would be a report of someone, someone's parents, somebody's aunt,

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somebody's, you know, sibling having passed away. You know, classmate sister, she died suddenly.

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She was in her late 40s, her classmates, friends, father died. And during the funeral,

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the brother died. Our family friend, who's my dad's friend, he died between the first and the

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second dose. Another family friend got multiple Kremlin of paralysis. And then he wanted to travel

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to Singapore because his family was there. And I just was like, I think you need to be a bit more

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careful about this. A neighbor stayed for ovarian cancer and died within weeks of diagnosis.

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Another family friend had breast cancer. She was in remission and everything returned and then she

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passed away. Another friend's daughter, they're upset, severe herpes zoster. And I couldn't

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explain why this all was going on. Within my own family, you know, one of them got heart failure,

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another one had a huge stroke in the middle of the road and then eventually passed away.

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My father developed new onset diabetes at his, you know, elderly age and developed

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diabetic ketoacidosis and sepsis and was rushed into hospital with multi-organ failure.

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He survived thanks to the staff and they were incredible having looked after him.

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And we noticed similar things happening in Italy, you know, an uncle developing an autoimmune disease

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with sudden blindness in one eye, another uncle going in for angioplasties, somebody else having

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DVTs. My father-in-law, he, you know, he was in a care home and then he passed away. And my mother-in-law

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told me that the care home closed because all the residents passed away. So it was a really, really

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distressing and horrible time leaving, you know, one to think, gosh, what is going on all around me?

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I'm grateful that things have now changed and things have calmed down in the last, you know,

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over the last five years now, I think. And I noticed that, you know, people that I was watching

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being censored on the main are now back on the main stage. And Australia had given a hard time

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to Novak Charles and at least now he's back to playing again and is less restricted.

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So, you know, in my final kind of slide, I would want to say that, you know, I think love conquers

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fear because I've noticed that for me, my love for my father made me go back to India and see what

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was going on. Our love for my in-laws made us go to Italy and see what was going on. My love for my

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patients, you know, wanted to make sure that they were safe, you know, and trying to do whatever we

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could. And same thing for my trainings was really, really important. And I think I have to say that

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my husband has been an incredible force for me to have even had the courage to even come today,

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for example, but even to be going through this process for all these years, it's been an

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incredibly hard journey. And I don't think anything of any of this would have been possible without

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God in our lives. So I'm going to end this by asking, who is this person, this marble statue,

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and where do you think we are? Thank you.

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Yes. Well, Molina, thank you. Who knows where that statue is? Put your hand up if you think you know.

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Well, it's very familiar, but I honestly can't think. Do you know, Charles? No.

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Okay, I'll tell you. It's Santa Rosalia in Palermo in Sicily, and she's a saint of miracles and

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healing. And we try and go every Christmas to just see what's going on. And I think that's

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a very special feeling. And we try and go every Christmas to just try and heal ourselves and

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heal the world. Thank you. So what's all the gold, Molina?

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Well, she's been adorned with all the gold, I guess. It's in a sealed kind of enclosure,

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so nobody's going to steal it. But you can see me with my broken foot there and my husband.

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But behind me is again Santa Rosalia, and people will ask for miracles. And when things happen,

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they'll come and leave things here. So you might see some little crutches or baby clothes and

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things like that when people are asking for a miracle to happen. She does help. Thank you.

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How did you break your foot, Molina? Oh, I just went down the stairs.

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So thank you. If you stop the share now, Molina, and thank you so much for telling your story.

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It's terrific. I know a number of people in your situation in India. I say to people,

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India, there's no such place as India. There are 800 languages spoken in India.

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There's 26 official languages in India. I look on India as 800 tribes of 2 million people on

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average. And I've got friends, Molina in Australia, who on your journey, and it's a fascinating

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journey to have a father as a doctor and your mother in medicine and then you. And I was

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thinking, why aren't you a surgeon, but I suppose you are as a dermatologist in India?

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Oh, no, I didn't want to be. I didn't see my father. He was always in theater. So I don't have much

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recollection of him as a child because he was constantly just operating. But I do have very

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good recollection of his students who are now, you know, head of departments, and they still have so

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much regard for him. And I think that's probably what saved him because they just looked after him

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like their own, which is incredible. Plus you've got to stand for a very long hours as a surgeon.

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We've had the comment made in previous meetings that you really need to be a psychopath to be a

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surgeon, to be able to keep cutting people in bits. So that was an interesting comment that other

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doctors made. I didn't make. So the question I thought, and I really will have a conversation

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about this because Stephen goes with the questions first, but I thought you told us that last year

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you didn't get the jabs. Did you? Is that correct? Or you had to get the jabs? No, that is correct.

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So well done. Well, you know, the question for you then is which is correct, Mollina?

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You didn't take the jabs? No, I didn't. And why did, how did you know not to take them?

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What was it that stopped you going along with what everyone else was doing or nearly everyone else?

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Yeah, because of what, because of the data that was coming out, because of the side effects that

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people were reporting. And because I was looking or rather my husband as well, looking at the

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Italian data as well and looking at looking at things from a kind of bird's eye perspective,

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which made me think something is not right here. Very close to the time people were already

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reporting to me that they were witnessing, you know, their own loved ones, you know, either dying

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suddenly or having a sudden onset of a stroke or a heart attack, which with close kind of temporal

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relationship, you couldn't prove it, but it was all kind of bizarre. And it just made me wary.

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And hence I said, well, let's just wait for the safety and efficacy data to come out.

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And so I waited. And the more I waited, the more I thought, right, I think I better stay away.

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Sure. So, Stephen, the next 15 minutes are yours. I've got a stack of questions and others will have

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as well, but over to you, Stephen. Thanks, Charles. So, the clinical trials, you're working with

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clinical trials early on in your career, weren't you? So you understood about clinical trials,

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but at the time you decided not to get these injections, did you realize that there were no

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clinical trials, at least worth the name? To me, it was, you know, it was unusual because,

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you know, when I was working with clinical being a co-investigator clinical trials,

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you'd spent so much time going through every bit of the paperwork and also making sure that the

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patient understood the do's and don'ts of whatever drug you were going to give them,

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and that they could withdraw at any time. And the consent process was quite elaborate.

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And the follow up was equally elaborate, you know, especially for, for example,

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using biologics for psoriasis. Currently, I'm involved in a clinical trial, and I'm a clinical

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currently I'm involved in a clinical trial, you know, looking at vulva-like

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sclerosis because I also do vulva dermatosis and dermatology. And, and that involves, you know,

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you have to think before you get yourself into, you know, getting into doing clinical research,

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because you've got to take the time to actually speak with patients. And the clinical research

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nurse goes through everything prior to having the consent signed. So, I don't know what was

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happening in the community, because obviously I'm hospital based as to whether any consent

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process was happening. I'm not sure. Did you notice, um, well, you know, that the coronavirus act

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had specific measures outlined, and this was a document I can't remember exactly now, but it

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was hundreds of pages. So the British government kind of led people to believe, but maybe didn't

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actually say that this was produced in a rush, you know, since the pandemic came about. So like

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three weeks to, there's no way they did it in three weeks. So, but they had, they had all the laws

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and regulations, if you like, for coroners and post-mortems. So the coroners suddenly lost their

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power to do anything. And they weren't interested in what people were dying of for the first time

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ever in the United Kingdom. So as far as I could understand anyway, and post-mortems weren't being

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conducted. I'm thinking, whoa, in addition, so early on I realized that everybody was lying.

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And there was a global coup d'etat. And I think I have to thank my whistleblowing case for that,

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because people were lying to me constantly in that case, the M.O.D. in particular, and the military.

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And so I understood when people were lying to me and I knew I was being lied to over COVID

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straight away. And I don't think I would have understood that had I not gone through that

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experience with the whistleblowing case over five and a half years, by the way. So.

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I think you're right. I think you're right, Steven. I think there are, there are aspects of your life

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that kind of steer you in one direction or the other. And if you've had some experiences,

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which are which have kind of marred you or scarred you, you are wary of things that have happened.

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And therefore, you don't necessarily believe everything that is told to you in the first

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instance. So yeah, you're right. I think I have reflected as to why my response was perhaps

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different from others, you know. And I think it's probably because, A, my upbringing was quite

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unconventional in India, in Delhi. B, having had the experience of, you know, having done a cock

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crane, looking at clinical trial data and RCTs and things, and also then also actually participating

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and being a co-investigator in clinical trials. And then also having some acute medical experience.

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So these were things that just kind of, you know, it all kind of came together and it didn't make

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sense to me at the time. So hence, I think, and also when, you know, after traveling and realizing

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actually, we didn't see, because my, I remember my mother-in-law ringing us in Italy, in India,

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really panicking, thinking that people were all on the streets and they were all, you know,

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that's what that was being shown on TV. So it may be that, yes, it was happening elsewhere,

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but we certainly didn't encounter it. So our lived experience was different from what was being shown.

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Yeah. So generally, Maulina, you're a medical doctor, so am I. So we need to have opinions

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about this kind of thing, or, you know, so guessing, if you like, or hypothesizing on behalf of our

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patients. So do you think when we are going through great traumas in our lives, you know,

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not necessarily COVID, but, you know, from childhood, for example, that all of us manage.

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And so actually, you don't realize through that you've been through a trauma until you're actually

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not functioning later. Do you understand me? Yeah. And you might not realize then without help. So

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I feel now, looking back over this last five years, that there is a distinct possibility that

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people were absolutely terrified by the whole narrative, you know, what you're describing about

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the radio and the television, I think you mentioned. And so it seemed that all of a sudden,

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the primary aim of all the governments around the world was to scare their populations. And that was

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deeply destabilizing to human beings, I think. But everybody managed, well, some less well than others.

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But we thought that we were managing better because we understood it to some extent, but I

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don't think we did understand it any more than any human being could understand what was going on in

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2020. So I now think that we've all been damaged to a greater or lesser extent by what's happened

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in the last five years. And it's going to be very difficult for many people to recover. What do you

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think? So what they did, in my opinion, which was unforgivable was they isolated human beings.

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And every doctor in the world should have known that that was wrong. And they didn't understand.

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And to be honest, I didn't understand either. I couldn't bear to see the masks.

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So I created my own little world. I kind of thought, well, I'll stop going out and I won't

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see the masks then. But of course, that meant I wasn't seeing people as often as I normally would.

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So I was isolating myself. So that wasn't great. And it took me a long time to realize

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I needed to get the hell out of the house a lot more than I was at the time I was creating my own

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world. And I think it was very traumatic. You know, for me as well, it was I felt I was very scared,

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you know, going in, being in close proximity and, you know, operating, which was it all went well.

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I mean, thank God nothing happened really. I was perfectly okay. And, you know, everybody was so

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has been kind. I think my staff members and patients, everybody have been really, really kind.

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But it was isolating. I agree. And I think people were afraid of people who are going into hospitals.

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So, you know, just on just in my in my street, you know, people would avoid coming near me,

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because they thought I would be infectious or infected. So it's, and I think, again,

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at that time, you feel hurt because people are avoiding you or, or they don't understand or,

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or whatever. But you one has to be forgiving and one has to understand that people will

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behave differently. When one is fearful, and you don't necessarily respond and react in the in a

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normal, logical fashion when one is terrified. So when you've got a world, Malina, where

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everybody's being asked to say, think that it's normal to take down whole countries,

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and small businesses and medium sized businesses, you know, that it's normal, all to protect granny.

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You know, this was massively, this was a massive lie. And they still continue and they are continuing

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with this nonsense of saying, in the UK, for example, the official inquiry has completely

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lost credit. Well, it never had any credibility, never had any chance of being credible. But

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what they're saying is, essentially, we need to learn from the so called pandemic, which might,

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in my opinion, never occurred. And next time, we need to make sure that we do better than we did,

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in other words, lockdown better and earlier. Absolutely outrageous. And they don't understand.

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So I think that people need to understand how human beings work, you know, how they work when

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there's severely under stress. And some people did understand this, I think, and they deliberately

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did what they did. So I do think that the people responsible for this need to be held to account.

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But in order to get that to that situation, where we can get people to hold these people to account,

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we have to get people to understand what's happened to them. And they don't understand.

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And I don't know how to do it. But I'd be very grateful if you can work out.

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I know I have not. I can't comment on this, because I frankly have not been

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really following the COVID inquiry, just because I've been so inundated with work and, you know,

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clinical commitments. So I can't really comment what has been going on. It's beyond my expertise,

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frankly. And I think I'm sure people are actually looking into it. And things, you know,

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sometimes things evolve in time. And time is a great healer. And time does reveal everything, I think.

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Yeah. Marlena, as a medical doctor in the UK, do you feel that the diagnosis of COVID,

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the alleged diagnosis, the reported diagnosis of COVID was safe?

545
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I can't comment on this, Stephen. I'm not the expert on this. So, you know, I think, yeah,

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I would, I can't comment on it. Yeah. So I don't think it was safe. And they,

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but they needed that diagnosis to create the deaths, to create the fear, to give the illusion

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of a pandemic. And there was no pandemic. That's my opinion. And I don't expect you to comment. But

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anyway, Charles, go ahead with it. Okay. Oh, I think Jerry had his hand up, but he's down now.

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Yes, Jerry's hand is down. I don't know where he's gone. He's maybe he's take, he's taken his advice

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before we started and celebrating St. Patrick's Day, according to Australian time. Marlena,

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I'm very interested in tip of the spear actions before we go to Mark. And the question that,

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you know, your part, you're working within the NHS, but there must be whistleblowers

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within the NHS who know the crap that's gone on. Or secondly, there must be retired doctors who

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know the crap that's gone on. And what I would urge you to do is perhaps with Stephen off, offline,

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to get some of those retired NHS doctors to give guidance to people on shining a light on the

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outrageous practices within the medical system, because I don't see anything, I don't see anybody

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saying any good things about the NHS. And something needs to be done over the last five years,

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but also for what's masquerading as good health advice. And Ahmad Malik, I'm sure you've heard

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Ahmad here, and I hope you're a subscriber to Ahmad's work. And he, you know, he is scathing

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about the practice of medicine in the UK. So that's the thought I have, I don't want you to,

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because you're working in the system. And I would love to discuss that with you off think,

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offline, because we need to really go for the jugular. And yesterday on Sky, on the Outsiders

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Program, Tony Nickolick, a colleague lawyer here in Australia, came out hard, it was an excellent

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piece. And we must hold the bastards to account. Just like Senator Malcolm Roberts last week,

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Stephen, said, we won't forget, and we're coming after you. And I urge all of us to keep putting

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those words, putting repeating those messages, and retired politicians and every one of them who

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supported what happened this, this series of behaviors that you so eloquently showed in,

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in a well constructed story, we cannot let this pass. We simply can't let it pass.

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So that's my comment to you. I don't expect you to say anything because of the position you're in.

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But you know, you've this is cellular stuff for you,

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Molina. And I look at, you know, how your mom and dad would have been treating patients,

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the proper treatment of patients. And by the way, I'm just scathing about the legal profession.

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Trust me. So food for thought for you. Okay. And talk to Stephen offline.

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Charles, he said, we are coming for you. Malcolm Roberts, those are his exact words. I remember

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them. You said we are coming after you, I think we are coming. And we have to come for them.

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Even when they're retired. I've said this before, we must. Every time any of these retired

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politicians who behaved badly, as distinct from obviously incompetently, but who behave badly,

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like the Matt Hancock's of this world, we have to make their life miserable whenever they dare to

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show their face in public, number one, and number two, we need to shine a light on their wealth

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that they have accumulated during their political career. And so all of us any, any, any display of

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wealth by politicians must be investigated. And that's what I'm doing in Australia. I urge all of

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us to do it. So that so that these bastards who got money in politics, like the Nancy Pelosi's

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of this world, never get to properly enjoy never get to enjoy the ill gotten, unlawfully gotten,

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criminally gotten resources. All right, Mark. Thank you, Melina. You mentioned that you

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with informed consent, you didn't have a knowledge of what the informed consent was outside

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of the NHS. So I'd like to give you a brief insight. My hairdresser was in fact a vaccinator.

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And what people would do is they would go in and see the doctor or nurse,

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and have a small chat with them. And then she would chat them. And she did this for the first

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chat and the second. And after the second, she didn't give any more because she heard some of

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the people complaining that they had had an adverse reaction. And they'd asked, could it be from the

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previous job? And they were dismissed, it was just dismissed out of hand, no, can't be anything

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to do with it. These are safe. And that's what was going on. Then I tackled my local surgery

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to find out how were they actually able to get informed consent. When the leaflet that was given

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was 2438 words, it would take an average adult 12 minutes to read. So they can't have read it.

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And if they had read it, they wouldn't have understood it because of a lot of technical

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jargon in it. And then within that document, there was adverse reactions. And

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the government lied. Under lymph endopathy, it said it was uncommon, but they put an asterisk

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at the end, which actually made it common. The percentage from the trial had gone from 0.4%

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to 5.2%. So a 13 fold increase. And the MHRA did nothing. They should have acted on that immediately

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and said, we have a problem here. We need to find out why has it gone up? But they did nothing.

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I then tried to find out about informed consent locally by asking members of the public who are

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waiting to get jabbed if they knew about the yellow card system, the adverse events. And these

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people were having shot number six and seven. They've never heard about the yellow card.

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They didn't hear about any adverse events. And the pharmacist later came out and asked me to remove

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myself. And I asked, how are you giving informed consent? How do you get it? And she said, we're

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getting it. So I actually recorded the conversation that was had. And it was, are you Mr. Dyer? Yes.

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Are you here for your jab? Yes. Did you have any reaction last time? No. Which arm? Those were the

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only questions. That is not informed consent. So I just wanted to inform you that that is actually

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what was going on in public. Thank you, Mark.

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Yes, it's an interesting question, this informed consent. And last week, Glenn Floyd reinforced the

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distinction between informed consent by the patient and valid consent from the doctor's

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perspective. Because any informed consent, which can be, I know I'm informed that there's no

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proper safety and efficacy testing, but I want this jab, say, well, the doctor says, well, are

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you here under coercion? Yes. Well, then it's not valid consent. And certainly in Australian law,

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the doctor cannot then or nobody can inject that person, Mark. So just those two terms, informed

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consent by the patient, valid consent required before a doctor can inject a person. That's why

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so many doctors don't inject, but their nurses inject or hairdressers inject.

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No, Charles, the thing that worried me most is that there were eight people there, and they thought

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that it was up to them to do their own research. You couldn't make it up. They thought it was up

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to them to find out how safe this jab was. And there were two people there that said, well,

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it's very rare, but if it happens, it happens. It's to safeguard the majority.

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Somehow. Well, the government has put this across to people, right? That's why they believe it,

624
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because the government indoctrinated people into believing those things which are untrue.

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And did you were you doing a kind of were you presenting yourself for vaccination

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falsely or and then withdrawing or did you actually get injured?

627
1:01:22 --> 1:01:29
No, no, no, I was representing the patient participation group. I told them who I was.

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I was the chairman of the past and, you know, the patient participation group. And I told them that

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I just asked them, why are you here? And they said, we're here for a jab. And I asked them

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which jabs flew. Some of them were having flu and covid at the same time. And I just asked them

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if they knew, you know, about risks and things like that. I didn't tell them the risks. I just

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asked them if they knew about them. Yeah. Yeah. Mark, I personally think that the

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real evil was isolating people that created that kind of stoked the fear, if you like,

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to prepare people for taking a vaccination which wasn't a vaccination which was likely to

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injure them. So so in other words, I think the primary. So a lot of people are fixed on the

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injection, but I think we need to start thinking about the creation of the fear and the isolation,

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which really stoked it up, you know. So and that's what they do in prison, of course,

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you know, when they want to come on, Steven, we got hands up. We got hands up.

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Carrie. Carrie is an American doctor.

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I call you Molina. You may call me Carrie. That's fine. I was wondering, I have two questions and

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one is, I was of the impression that NHS mandated that everybody have a shot in order to keep your

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employment and that you would have to file some sort of a religious exemption or something like

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that. But I might be wrong. For some Americans. So yeah, so they did mandate it. But then they

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they took that away, I think, two weeks before it came into force. So

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so Molina, I hope you that the NHS mandated it for their staff. They never had the authority or the,

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you know, even the purported power to tell the public what to do. So but they did mandate it

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for their staff and eat really badly. In my opinion, they withdrew the mandate the day before

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it was due to expire, by which time, of course, most people had had the injection

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who were going to get it. And that was really evil. Anyway, go ahead, Carrie. Sorry.

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Well, that was a blessing because my sister had three and I but you have to admire the fact that

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and I admire you too, that you didn't abandon your patience and you didn't abandon your work.

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And, you know, so you can feel good about that. I mean, it was very difficult time. And I just I

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just want you to feel admiration because, you know, and inspiration that you're giving me.

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I feel so horrified for my sister. I tried everything to keep her from getting the third one.

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And but she had to have it. She works in the Baylor system. Unfortunately, you know,

656
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Hotez, you probably know about that little guy. Unfortunately. At any rate, the second question

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I have. Yeah, sorry, go on. No, no, you go ahead. I was going to say, Carrie, thank you. Yeah, I,

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I have to say I tried my level best to keep the patients at the center of everything.

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And the students and the trainees because everybody was frightened, you know, and they

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were looking for people at senior levels to kind of guide them. And also, you know, when we switched

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to, for example, online teaching training, that meant having patients coming online. So instead

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of coming face to face, we normally I would set up volunteer patients coming in and students having

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an opportunity to examine them and take a history, etc. But we could no longer bring those patients

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in because it was unethical to bring patients for just for teaching purposes. So into the hospital.

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So so we we we got them online. And I think we made a difference for them as well, because they

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were isolated and they were frightened. And it was it was a there were there were people who had

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not spoken to anybody. And they would wait for that weekly teaching session to happen.

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You know, or if they had a query, they had the opportunity to speak with me, whilst I was there

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facilitating the session. So I think in that way, I tried, I tried my hardest to try and support

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people around me whilst myself feeling like I was going to collapse, you know,

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on some points. But thank you.

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Okay, we all appreciate and love you. Okay.

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I have one more question. Okay, good. Okay. The other question I have, I have a friend that I

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used to work under a long story, but I used to work as a pharmacy tech before I got my Florida

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license. And while I was waiting for it, and she's a pharmacist, and she so she did give some shots,

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I mean, I know she did. And she feels so guilty. She won't look me in the eye when I talked to her

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about it. And I keep apologizing to her for not getting them stopped yet in the pharmacy,

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you know, and I keep telling everybody, don't take them and don't advertise them. And I have a plan

679
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and I'm working on it. Okay. But I guess my feeling is that we need to be more forgiving.

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Like, like you said, love, we need to realize how much the whole world was duped. Okay, some of us

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saw it. And and and we were the fortunate ones, actually, maybe we lost jobs, licenses, or whatever

682
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else, but we were still the fortunate ones. But so many people were blackmailed with jobs, families,

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whatever, lied to. And so I know we all feel a little bit of survivor guilt, I certainly do.

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And I wonder if you feel that. And then I'm trying to figure out a way to help my pharmacist friend,

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she's a Christian, and she feels deeply about this. And I know she feels horrific guilt.

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And so I told her, you know, we were all duped, we need to move on, you need to forgive yourself.

687
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You know, that that was, and I'm going to stop this, we're gonna stop this, you know,

688
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Robert F. Kennedy is going to stop this. So I just wondered if you have thoughts about survivor guilt

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and how to help those who were giving the shots, you know, I was taken out early 2016, actually,

690
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well, 2018. But long story, it's not about me. So I wondered if you had any insight about helping

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people get past the survivor guilt, get past the guilt of having given somebody shots. And

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I honestly think that anybody who feels remorse and turns around, even at this late stage,

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should be welcomed with open arms and forgiven. But that's me.

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Love you. Thank you, Carrie. I don't have an answer for this. It's very difficult. I think

695
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this is a personal journey for everybody, whether they, you know, whether they received one,

696
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whether they gave one, whether they didn't have one, you know, these things have evolved over time.

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And I don't think one can fix things just by kind of offloading. I think people have to think about

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it and have deep critical reflection and self reflection. And then the rest you leave to God.

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And I think that's my, I'm a big believer in God. I mean, for me, God is one, whether I'm a Hindu,

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but my husband's Catholic. It doesn't matter for me. God is one. And I think for me,

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through this journey, God guided me. You know, so, and I believe in karma as well. So, you know,

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what one might do in thought and action may then be repealed at some other point, at some other,

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some other journey. So I think, I think you, you know, you, you're trying to help your,

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your colleague and your friends. And that's what you can do as an individual, as a person,

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as a human being. The rest will have to just follow in time. I don't think one can fix this

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quickly or easily.

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Thank you.

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So one of the things I've known, would say about Maulina is I'm very struck by, look, you know,

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despite what everyone thinks about doctors in the last five years and the way they let so many

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people down, I think Maulina can have a clear conscience. She's absolutely the doctor that

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everybody would want if they were ill.

712
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I'm not so sure about that, Stephen. But okay.

713
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No, I think you are.

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You need a surgeon or an intensivist. You need a surgeon or intensivist.

715
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Yeah. But I mean, with the intent, Maulina, I don't think you're capable of telling a lie.

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I think, I mean, I've, I've tried to practice medicine and I tell my students and trainees

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the same is that if you look after people like your own, i.e. your own mother, brother, father,

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sister, child, you are not going to go far wrong because you will do what it takes.

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Exactly.

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Get it right for them.

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Yes.

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And that's something that was ingrained, I think, just watching my own parents and watching the,

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the nursing staff, the medical students and the post grads in at Ames and in Delhi, you know,

724
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they were complete dedication. And I think I grew up on that and that just has kind of perhaps

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framed me, you know.

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Yeah. Very good, Maulina. So we'll go on to Karen, who is feisty and in Scotland.

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Hi, Karen.

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She lives in a magnificent home in Scotland. As you can see, it's behind us.

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It's amazing.

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That is actually Glasgow City Chambers. I was on the VIP guest list for Chinese New Year

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celebrations recently, a few weeks ago. So it was a beautiful building. If you come to Glasgow,

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you must visit.

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I'm Glaswegian, by the way. I was born there.

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Lovely. Lovely. Oh, you know, Glasgow City Chambers where it is in George Square. Lovely.

735
1:12:19 --> 1:12:22
Hi there, Maulina. Thank you for your lovely presentation.

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I practice traditional Chinese medicine. I'm now in my 34th year of practice,

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but I did come across a very unusual case that I've never seen before. I don't really treat a lot

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of skin conditions, but this lady presented. She was waiting to see a dermatologist and she

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was in so much pain she came to see me for some help. So basically, I think it was after the sixth

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vaccine, within two days, she had burning literally from the neck down all over her entire body.

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And she felt a wee bit better with the acupuncture. On the first day that she came,

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I had a wee look at her back just in case there was any shingles eruptions or anything I could see.

743
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But within a month, the shingles did break out. And then she managed to get her

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a weighted appointment with the dermatologist. So I had never seen anything like that before.

745
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And then later on, I came across a YouTube video where there was a lady in America who was,

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she had been on the clinical trial. I think it was for Pfizer. And after her first injection,

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she had this burning pain all over her body and she described it like she had been rolled in cactus.

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And I went, oh my goodness, my patient here in Scotland has described this burning. And obviously,

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she doesn't live in America, so she wouldn't use the word cactus. So that's how much pain she was

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in all over the body. Now, partly she was actually removed from the clinical trial and all that data

751
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on her was removed. So they knew about these side effects. And I'm just wondering, in your practice

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as a dermatologist, Malina, have you seen anything unusual, skin conditions that you know

753
1:14:24 --> 1:14:30
are linked to associated or side effects of any of the vaccinations that the people have taken for

754
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COVID? Thank you, Karen. I mean, there have certainly been cases where patients have

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developed shingles afterwards and there are reports on this. And there are other

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dermatological conditions that have occurred post-JAB and we tend to yellow card those as well.

757
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I'm not familiar with the one which is pain all over. I'm not familiar with that one,

758
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but I'm sure there will be other experts who may well be able to comment on it. So definitely,

759
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there have been many, many, many case reports which are related to the JAB.

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And patients have had some exacerbation of skin condition or a new skin condition.

761
1:15:18 --> 1:15:28
Thank you. Very good. Gary Hawkins. Gary, I can't quite remember. Are you a psychologist?

762
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No, I'm getting mixed up. Researcher.

763
1:15:33 --> 1:15:45
You are a psychologist, aren't you? No, I study people. I'm not. Sorry about that. Just an

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independent researcher, data guy. I did. Malina, you're probably familiar with the bears. I did a

765
1:15:53 --> 1:16:02
lot of work in that. Since you're from India, one of my questions is in the chat. Which company

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was most prevalent in India? Was it AstraZeneca or maybe Pfizer?

767
1:16:11 --> 1:16:19
So Pfizer was not allowed in India because I think the Indian government asked for 500

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1:16:22 --> 1:16:30
doses to be used as a small clinical trial from what I understand. And Pfizer did not want to go

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ahead with that. And so therefore, Pfizer was not allowed into India. So they had the AstraZeneca

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version, which is called Covishield. And then they had a traditional one, which is called Covaxin.

771
1:16:43 --> 1:16:53
So those are the two major or main JABs that they were having. I don't know for sure which one was

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being given more than others. But of course, amongst the Indian community, it was an Oxford

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1:16:59 --> 1:17:11
JAB. There was a little bit of poshness about having an Oxford injection as opposed to a local one.

774
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Were the protocols the same between those two?

775
1:17:18 --> 1:17:20
I'm not familiar. I don't know. I'm not sure.

776
1:17:21 --> 1:17:25
So Moderna and Pfizer were two shots.

777
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Yeah, I don't think Moderna was the only ones I knew of were Covishield and Covaxin.

778
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So if you weren't hearing about the two shots a couple, three weeks apart,

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followed by boosters every six months to a year, then it would have been the single

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injection initially, which is what I understand AstraZeneca and J&J, Johnson & Johnson were.

781
1:17:50 --> 1:17:58
So I wanted to ask you about population. India surpassed China in total population,

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and most of those people are in the fertile areas of India in the north, right?

783
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Yes, I would think so.

784
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Were you aware that you guys exceeded China in population?

785
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I think so, yes.

786
1:18:20 --> 1:18:30
So have you heard of like numbers for India of supposed COVID deaths?

787
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No, no, I don't. I'm not even sure how they're recording this,

788
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because that was the other thing that people were looking for and they couldn't find.

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So I don't think they've got a very robust way to record side effects and also deaths.

790
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And how do you link the two? That's the other thing, you see. So

791
1:18:58 --> 1:19:03
you have to go back to the same place to say that this person had the adverse event

792
1:19:03 --> 1:19:10
at this particular clinic. And as you know, India is so massive, and if you're mass jabbing,

793
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it's impossible to go back and try and do this. And who's going to be recording it?

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So I think things were quite difficult and challenging for people to actually get some

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redressal. And certainly from people I've met on Twitter, there's a couple who sadly lost their

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18 year old, who was, I think, was asked to have her the injections because she was going to go for

797
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university exam. And they have reached out and asked questions for me. And I've tried to give

798
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them whatever I have, whatever data that I have, they send. But I think like everywhere else,

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it's a very long drawn out process of trying to find and trying to redress this. I think UK is the

800
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same and India is the same. I think they're five years on. I think they've now managed to reach

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Supreme Court. So everybody here knows that I've been focused on the fertility aspect of the

802
1:20:17 --> 1:20:30
jabs. You're an oncologist. But have you heard of lots of stillbirths and so forth?

803
1:20:30 --> 1:20:36
No, no, I mean, I don't do any obstetrics work. So I'm not familiar. No.

804
1:20:38 --> 1:20:45
Like I just took a look at the World Bank, World Population Statistics again, and

805
1:20:46 --> 1:20:52
they stopped updating in 2023. I can't find information for the United States in the last

806
1:20:52 --> 1:20:58
few years. It seems that they're hiding something. There was some chart that came out for Australia

807
1:20:58 --> 1:21:03
showing that the fertility is way down in Australia. So I just was wondering whether you

808
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had a sense like in the news or something about. No, I think again, I think that would be something

809
1:21:11 --> 1:21:18
that would not be as apparent in India, especially. It probably again will take time for it to come

810
1:21:18 --> 1:21:25
out. Thank you. Hey, thanks for being here. Thank you. Yeah. Which state are you in, Gary? Can you

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remind me? Is it Oregon? I'm in Seattle, Washington, Washington state. OK, we're Microsoft.

812
1:21:32 --> 1:21:40
I was at Microsoft for eight years. Yeah. Email Bill Gates a couple of times and he did not reply,

813
1:21:40 --> 1:21:48
surprisingly. What's wrong with him? Thank you, Gary. So next question is from Jim, who's a

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1:21:49 --> 1:21:55
medical doctor in America and he is a radiologist, actually, like I am. And

815
1:21:57 --> 1:22:05
in addition, he has links to US intelligence. Hi, thanks for a great presentation. And I

816
1:22:06 --> 1:22:13
don't know about links to intelligence, but I used to work in the military. And I'm wondering,

817
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are you aware that this is some kind of biological weapon or is that your understanding

818
1:22:20 --> 1:22:26
of the covid and the lockdowns and all this stuff that this is a Department of Defense

819
1:22:28 --> 1:22:30
intra, I'll call it six eyes

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1:22:33 --> 1:22:38
plan. And then I have some specific questions about your practice and how we might stop the

821
1:22:38 --> 1:22:45
next pandemic, which is coming possibly in the near future. No, I'm afraid I can't comment on

822
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this. I have no I don't have any understanding of this and I don't want to say things that

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may be completely misconstrued. And yeah, and it's very and as a as a major academic teacher,

824
1:22:59 --> 1:23:03
you have to be very careful about what you do say and what you can acknowledge.

825
1:23:03 --> 1:23:08
And I respect that and I understand that. And it's it's hard to even stay in the system when

826
1:23:08 --> 1:23:17
you know so much. So I'm a hats off to you for for being able to do so. But so have you followed any

827
1:23:18 --> 1:23:26
any CD4 CD8 or CD3 cell counts in your patients after the covid before the jab or even the

828
1:23:26 --> 1:23:35
unvaccinated and seen particularly CD8 counts dropping? No, no. So I'm primarily a clinician.

829
1:23:35 --> 1:23:41
We don't tend to do this at this end. Unless we're suspecting something like lymphoma or something

830
1:23:41 --> 1:23:45
like that. We won't necessarily be looking at these and that's not readily available.

831
1:23:47 --> 1:23:52
Dermatology at this end is quite different, perhaps practice compared to America maybe,

832
1:23:53 --> 1:23:58
it's very much clinical. We don't tend to be looking for these unless there's something

833
1:23:58 --> 1:24:05
there's a high suspicion for something. OK, and you make you make clinical diagnosis and then you

834
1:24:05 --> 1:24:10
treat rather than sometimes doing a test, like for instance, say we're saying you have to do the covid

835
1:24:10 --> 1:24:18
test, but you could technically clinically diagnose these diseases and then treat them.

836
1:24:18 --> 1:24:23
Yeah, I mean you wouldn't necessarily look for a covid test, you know, so

837
1:24:24 --> 1:24:28
and then patients, I mean at this stage, patients, I mean if they're infectious,

838
1:24:28 --> 1:24:35
they wouldn't be coming to dermatology anyway. So hence, you know, it wouldn't necessarily be

839
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happening. But we may get some information from the general practitioners, the primary care

840
1:24:41 --> 1:24:47
physicians regarding their their job status. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. But sometimes

841
1:24:47 --> 1:24:52
if patients give a temporal relationship that something has happened and following that they've

842
1:24:52 --> 1:24:57
developed a rash, then you kind of make that diagnosis based on that clinical history and

843
1:24:57 --> 1:25:06
examination. Thank you. And did you, many of the many people in the United States, as you pointed

844
1:25:06 --> 1:25:12
out, Trump took hydroxychloroquine. We found that the half-life of hydroxychloroquine was 22 days,

845
1:25:12 --> 1:25:18
so you need to maybe take hydroxychloroquine 200 milligrams once every week. Stella Emanuel,

846
1:25:18 --> 1:25:24
Dr. Emanuel called it the Sunday Sunday medicine. Ivermectin, all the dogs and cats and things are

847
1:25:24 --> 1:25:31
dewormed once a month. That's kind of how we've, some people have been using ivermectin as once a

848
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month. Do you have any, had you been using any of these medic, these anti-parasitics as antivirals?

849
1:25:40 --> 1:25:49
No, no, because I mean we, I had little to do with COVID in our practice. So people, you know,

850
1:25:49 --> 1:25:55
unless they had a dermatology condition that was related to a jab or something that might be

851
1:25:55 --> 1:26:00
related to a violinist, then yes, you would you would look into that, but otherwise not really, no.

852
1:26:01 --> 1:26:08
And then the, what kind of dermatology problems have you seen associated with the SARS-CoV-2

853
1:26:08 --> 1:26:14
spike protein? You mentioned herp, zoster, have you been seeing anything else?

854
1:26:16 --> 1:26:22
Again, it's very difficult to make that temporal relationship because we don't sometimes get the

855
1:26:22 --> 1:26:28
general practitioner's notes or they may not be available or they may not be recorded,

856
1:26:28 --> 1:26:32
and so unless the patients are actually telling us that this might be related or

857
1:26:32 --> 1:26:36
there might be a temporal relationship, we may not be actually looking for those. So

858
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there are times that you may see a new autoimmune condition, may see lupus for example,

859
1:26:45 --> 1:26:50
that you know you would say yes, actually this might be related to drug-induced lupus for example.

860
1:26:51 --> 1:26:59
I see, and then we've been, or some people have been finding that T cell damage is in the vaxxed

861
1:27:00 --> 1:27:06
as well as the unvaxxed. And so just keep that in mind as you go through your travel,

862
1:27:06 --> 1:27:16
this might be a self-propagating thing as we go through, and I've been talking about a medication

863
1:27:16 --> 1:27:24
called nitaxoxanide, and I don't know if you've ever heard about, heard of a medication, but it

864
1:27:25 --> 1:27:33
is the only medication listed in Wikipedia as a broad spectrum antiviral. So just thank you very

865
1:27:33 --> 1:27:41
much for your insights and your... Jimmy, are you in Florida? No, I'm in the Philadelphia area.

866
1:27:42 --> 1:27:47
All right, so because the sky looks pretty gray there for Florida. Yes, and this is,

867
1:27:47 --> 1:27:57
this is the weather is, the winds are terrible, and as you know I attribute a lot of this stuff

868
1:27:57 --> 1:28:03
to our intelligence agencies, and the U.S. Air Force put out a paper in 1996, I think it was,

869
1:28:03 --> 1:28:11
that said they will have complete control of the weather by 2025. Sure. So welcome to 2025.

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And thank you, so thank you very much for the conversation, really, really excellent.

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1:28:19 --> 1:28:26
So I think Jim's a medical doctor in America, a radiologist, but he's at the opposite end of this,

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so he likes to kind of think laterally, shall we say, and well I'm sure you do when it comes

873
1:28:33 --> 1:28:40
to dermatology, Malmina, but you know you're very conservative with your views, whereas Jim

874
1:28:40 --> 1:28:47
dives in anyway, but I'm not saying he's wrong, he may be right. Well, and one thing about India's

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1:28:47 --> 1:28:51
response, you notice how they gave out hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin

876
1:28:52 --> 1:28:59
during the pandemic, as well as they gave packets of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin,

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1:28:59 --> 1:29:04
and that was very important because friends of ours were connected with the health minister,

878
1:29:04 --> 1:29:11
and so we told them early on, and India actually supplied hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to

879
1:29:11 --> 1:29:17
many countries, shipped it out, and that's how we found out the hydroxychloroquine may be the

880
1:29:17 --> 1:29:26
treatment, because we saw that China had bought up a whole stockload of it, and so anyway, so there

881
1:29:26 --> 1:29:34
are lots of little clues that point to intelligence for knowledge of this, and I encourage people to

882
1:29:34 --> 1:29:41
look at what MERS, MERS, might hold, and how that nitrizoxinide that we've been talking about

883
1:29:41 --> 1:29:49
and might help stop the early replication of MERS, Ebola, and many other viruses, the only broad

884
1:29:49 --> 1:29:55
spectrum antiviral listed in Wikipedia, nitrizoxinide, so keep that in mind everybody.

885
1:29:55 --> 1:30:01
And I seem to remember Jim that France was buying up some drug, was it hydroxychloroquine?

886
1:30:01 --> 1:30:11
Yes, that was Didier Raoult, a researcher in France, and he actually, he was very famous because

887
1:30:12 --> 1:30:22
he put together the treatment for a problem called Q fever, query fever,

888
1:30:23 --> 1:30:29
and it had similar symptoms to COVID, and it was treated with hydroxychloroquine and doxycycline,

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1:30:30 --> 1:30:36
and many of these, if you were, my view is if you're an intelligence guy and you're going to

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try to harm some people, you may want to make sure that your guys have the antidote

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and are allowed to take it, and so that's why we have to kind of prepare ourselves for the next

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thing and make sure that we can know the antidotes have taken in small amounts early

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that might benefit us as we go through the next phase of this, what seems to be a take down of

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the world. Yes, very good, thank you Jim. Thank you. Yep, thank you. So Cordelia, who's a

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British medical doctor and she's a pathologist.

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Hi, Cordelia. Hi, just trying to see myself,

897
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but it doesn't matter anyway. I was a bit late for this because my wi-fi is not working or

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intermittently, so I don't know whether Montgomery consent was mentioned.

899
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I don't think it was tonight, you mean Cordelia? Pardon? I don't think it was tonight, I'm not sure,

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was it, Molina? Because there's been this case in the past with Montgomery versus Lanarkshire and

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the outcome of that was that consent has to spell out all side effects and rare side effects,

902
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and you can't just expect the patient to do their own research. So it's all there.

903
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So all this vaccinating by addresses clearly is against the Montgomery-Lanarkshire ruling.

904
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So every single one of them is a legal act. Does that make sense?

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Cordelia, you're breaking up a little bit. I'm wrong. The child was disabled because the child

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was oxygen-starved and she said in court, well, had I known that a small pelvis is a risk factor,

907
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I would have gone for a caesarean section. So she was not explained that and the ruling was clearly

908
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that the surgeon or the obstetrician should have explained all the side effects. So you cannot just

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give a patient a consent form that says for side effects go to the MRHA website. That's against

910
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the Montgomery ruling. So in Britain, all of these vaccinations without consent are illegal.

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So anybody going to court can quote the Montgomery versus Lanarkshire ruling.

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And the second one is why can this drug be given without a prescription?

913
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Because normally, normally vaccinations, they have to have a prescription, don't they?

914
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So I don't know whether anybody in the group who can explain that to me,

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why these were given out like smarties without prescription.

916
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Can you, Marlene?

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No.

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So I know a little bit about that, Cordelia. So recently, I think last week, it came out that the

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European Court of Justice found that doctors were responsible for what happened regarding these

920
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injections and only doctors were responsible because they had the ability, they had to be,

921
1:34:21 --> 1:34:29
they had to be, just as you say, they had to be prescription. And so, and that meant that the

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doctors were uniquely responsible. It didn't matter what anybody else in society said,

923
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the doctor in the end had to put his signature on a prescription, his or her signature on a

924
1:34:44 --> 1:34:52
prescription. And that clearly is very important because it could have enormous repercussions,

925
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of course, but I don't know the European Court of Justice. It depends, you know,

926
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what people think of that court. Did you know about that, Cordelia?

927
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I did, but does that include the UK after Brexit?

928
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Yes, any country in the world, I think.

929
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You said the European Court of Justice.

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So for EU, obviously, if you mean, yes, okay. Yes. But obviously, you know,

931
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I think that if you were running a case in the UK, you'd be able to cite that ruling.

932
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I'm not sure, I'm not a lawyer, but Charles is, but he's not, he's on the...

933
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Yeah. So these hairdressers, did they actually, could they bypass the whole prescription procedure?

934
1:35:43 --> 1:35:47
How did they, how were they able to access these drugs?

935
1:35:48 --> 1:35:54
Honestly, I don't know, and neither do I know anybody who does know. So it's just unbelievable.

936
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Nobody seems to know what's in the in the so-called injections.

937
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Stephen, I know exactly because it's my hairdresser, right? So my hairdresser,

938
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all she did was pick up the injection, which had been laid by, filled up, you know, by a nurse.

939
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And the person had had a very brief conversation with the medical staff,

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and then she jabbed the person. That's all she did. So she never had a conversation with the

941
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person. She just stuck the needle in. She didn't aspirate. She didn't get talked about aspiration

942
1:36:33 --> 1:36:41
or anything like that. She just put the needle in and that was it. Okay. So what was your question?

943
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What was your specific question just before Mark started to talk Cordelia? Well, the specific

944
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question was, where are the prescriptions? Because normally it's a prescription only thing, isn't it?

945
1:36:54 --> 1:36:58
Well, yes, but Mark hasn't answered your question then. Wait, so Mark, do you know where the

946
1:36:58 --> 1:37:08
prescriptions are? Or were? No, no, Stephen, Cordelia asked two questions. She asked, how did the

947
1:37:09 --> 1:37:18
hairdresser get permission? So how did the hairdresser get permission?

948
1:37:18 --> 1:37:25
Somebody must have authorized her to do this job. Well, she clearly didn't have permission, did she?

949
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Because the doctors didn't know what was in the injections. Anywhere in the world did they know

950
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that. And I still haven't met anybody who actually knows for certain, as far as I'm concerned,

951
1:37:37 --> 1:37:41
what is in these injections. There are lots of people who talk about the mRNA and the spike

952
1:37:41 --> 1:37:51
protein and the lipid nanoprotein nanoparticle and, but I'm not satisfied that

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1:37:52 --> 1:37:58
they're working from first principles, if you understand me. And I've challenged people about

954
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this and I still haven't been provided with the evidence. So that tells me, Cordelia, that it was

955
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never possible to obtain informed consent because the doctors themselves didn't know.

956
1:38:09 --> 1:38:15
Because the hairdresser must have had a document saying you are now authorized to do this

957
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and somebody must have signed a letter. So it would be very interesting to see.

958
1:38:20 --> 1:38:27
No, Cordelia, you might need such a letter, but the hairdresser wouldn't know to even ask for it.

959
1:38:28 --> 1:38:34
Yes, she would just say, you know, she'd do a job and she'd just jab the person.

960
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Wouldn't get back in thought.

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Stephen, I can ask my hairdresser if she has such a document and if she does,

962
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I'll get a copy of it. That will be interesting.

963
1:38:45 --> 1:38:52
Well, yeah. Well, she might be disinclined to kind of incriminate herself, I suppose.

964
1:38:54 --> 1:38:57
Oh, I suppose if she had a document, then that would take her off the hook. But anyway,

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yes, interesting questions, Cordelia. Yeah, thank you.

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Yes. Did you ever find out, Cordelia, why post mortems weren't

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being done in 2020, just when they should have been done?

968
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Well, they were done. They were done. But.

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Well, not many.

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But I think the problem is, pathologists not being provided with vaccination history.

971
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Well, yes, that's another problem.

972
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But I think you told us that you were doing one or two post mortems a week as a pathologist.

973
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I'm not sure about that. Before 2020, when 2020 came around, you were also saying that

974
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they were being done. But when I asked you specifically, you said, oh, I did about six

975
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in 2020, I think you said.

976
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Excuse me for being rude. But I know Dr. Sharma said that she has to leave. I wonder if we can.

977
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I'm sorry.

978
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Yeah, thank you.

979
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I didn't know.

980
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Thank you, Stephen. Sorry. Yeah, thank you. If it's OK, I'd like to take a leave now.

981
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All right.

982
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We've got a full day tomorrow. Is that OK?

983
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Yes, that's absolutely fine.

984
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Thank you so much, Charles, Stephen and everybody on the talk for just giving me the option to share

985
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my insights and observations. Thank you. Bye.

986
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Maureen, did you write in the chat then? I didn't see the chat.

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Yeah, no worries. No worries. Don't worry, Stephen. That's fine.

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I didn't. Thank you.

989
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Thank you. Thank you for speaking to us.

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Bye bye bye.

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Bye bye.