Charles, where is your green jacket today?
Yes.
Look, I'll do better than that.
I'll show you.
OK, one thing that's been very missing from the American media, I don't know.
I don't know if people want to know.
Charles, as low as I am to admit it, but they actually suit you.
You know, like, what is that?
That's hash, isn't it?
That's marijuana.
Cannabis, the hemp plant.
Sorry, yeah, sorry.
So, yes.
All right, let's get this show on the road where I'm wearing my St.
Patrick's Day cannabis glasses.
And I must say, having read a recent summary of the life of St.
Patrick, around 400 AD, what an extraordinary man, what an extraordinary story.
The starting point was that he was an Englishman who was captured by an Irish king in 400,
slave traders, and taken to Ireland and was a slave for six years.
So amazing story.
But welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
And today's discussion, this group was founded by Dr.
Stephen Frost four years ago, almost four years ago, with the desire to pursue truth,
ethics, justice, freedom and health.
Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower
and activist, his medical specialty is radiology.
At this time, we remember Rainer Fulmick and ask you to and urge you to see what you can
do to shine a light on his unlawful incarceration by the German government, his show trial.
Contrary to the law imposed by the German judicial system.
I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.
I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago.
And over the last 14 years, I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine
damage and damage from bad medical advice.
Bad medical advice is now the number one killer of people in America ahead of cancer, heart
attacks and diabetes.
I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
On the issue of health, someone sent through a link to me from last week's meeting about
Morgan Spurlock, who did the movies Super Size Me and Super Size Me 2, who died suddenly
at the age of 53, who was a great advocate for the COVID jabs, everybody.
So it's clear what he died from.
We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the world.
Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
Many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers.
I am a passionate anti-vaxxer over the last 14 years from what I've learned.
I urge you to check out the educational material available at informme.org, an Australian site
with global experts talking about children's vaccines.
And I urge you to study the work of Aaron Sirian, Shining a Light on Dr. Stanley Plotkin,
the alleged godfather of children's vaccines in America, who has acknowledged that no vaccine
ever in the history of humankind has ever been properly tested for safety and efficacy.
And indeed, the front page of The Weekend Australian, a Murdoch newspaper who sometimes
do good stuff, but the front page of The Weekend Australian two days ago said what a concern
it was that there was vaccine hesitancy for children's vaccines caused by the anti-vax
movement.
Isn't that a good thing?
Isn't that a wonderful thing?
And you've never seen such a puff piece on the front page of a Murdoch paper in your
life.
So if this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the
chat as you publish a newsletter or a podcast.
Just put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you.
Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and the medical science battle
is only one of twelve battle fronts of this latest world war.
The spiritual battle front is another such battle front.
There's no time to be tired.
I assess we're five years into a seven year war, so stay healthy and get ready for the
next two years at least.
Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never settled.
The meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time, Tom Rodman
runs a video telegram meeting.
Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.
We'll listen to our guest presenter today, Dr. Melina Sharma from the UK.
For as long as Melina wishes to speak.
And then we have Q&A.
Stephen Frost, by long established tradition, asks the first questions for 15 minutes.
This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating.
Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms.
If you're offended by anything, be offended.
We are lovingly not interested.
We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another.
We similarly reject the triggering industry.
Don't you dare say something that may trigger another.
Both of these strategies are attacks on free speech.
However, we come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear.
And Melina, it's interesting to see the topic of your presentation today.
So it ties in beautifully with that.
Fear is the opposite of love.
Fear squashes you and enslaves you.
Love on the other hand expands you and liberates you.
These twice weekly meetings are not just talkfests.
An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by
attendees in these meetings.
We're waiting for the next marriage announcement from linkages made in these meetings.
We hope to be the equivalent of RSVP in this group.
So if any of you fall in love with anybody else in this group, let us know and we'll
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If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will help people put the
details into the chat, the meeting is recorded and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel.
And now welcome to our guest presenter, Dr. Melina Sharma.
And we thank you, Melina, for giving us your time and sharing your wisdom and insights.
And for the purposes of the recording and those who didn't get the invitation, let me
do a short, give you a bit of a bio about Melina.
You are a consultant dermatologist at the UK NHS hospital and specialist skin cancer
She is a multidisciplinary team lead at your hospital.
Melina has a dual role of consultant, clinician and teaching.
She is the academic lead and clinical associate professor at the University of Nottingham
School of Medicine.
She's a founder of the Royal College of Physicians.
She's been a lead author in the Cochrane Skin Group for systematic reviews as a member of
Centre of Evidence-based Dermatology.
Melina achieved a PhD in medical education from the University of Nottingham, exploring
the barriers and facilitators of specialty curriculum implementation across UK medical
schools.
She's published widely as associate editor of the Journal of Clinical and Experimental
Dermatology and has co-authored the National UK Undergraduate Curriculum for Dermatology.
She's the chair of the British Association of Dermatologists, Teachers of Undergraduate
and Foundation Doctors Working Party Group.
Melina was awarded a senior fellowship at the British College of Dermatology for her
achievements in research and a contribution towards training of UK resident doctors.
So wonderful background, Melina.
Congratulations on you.
Unmute yourself and we're in your hands.
And as you know, you can share your screen.
So, Charles, I just I'm sure that Melina won't mind me saying that she was a little bit nervous
about doing this.
So I said that we would try to support her.
All of us try to support her.
I think she's very important because she's much more reasonable than I am or even you,
Charles.
And so I think she's exactly the kind of person who will take the public along with her if
she can get a message right.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much, Charles.
And Stephen, can you hear me?
Very well.
Thank you so much for inviting me.
Yes, I am.
I was a bit apprehensive when coming on to this chat.
And of course, I've listened to many, many of your presentations here.
And so I don't think I need to teach anybody out here, you know, what I know.
I think everybody is very much aware.
But I will share my screen.
And the idea today is not to kind of go through all these stats and the graphs and the
facts and the rest of it that people are already aware of, perhaps, but more about, you
know, my kind of background and an insight of this whole time that we've had the last
five years. So let me try and share my screen.
Was it coming on?
Not yet.
It happened beautifully before it'll happen.
There it is coming up.
Beautiful.
And.
Yeah, we can see it.
OK, so the title of my talk is Love Conquers Fear.
And this is my kind of personal observation and insights over the last five years.
So this presentation is a reflection of my personal observations, opinions and experience
and do not reflect in any way the views of my employer or the university.
And I'm mindful of the General Medical Council's guidance on social media.
So I respect and adhere to that.
So I'll share with you a bit about myself, my background, my journey, my medical career,
and then personal observations and experience during Covid.
As a quiz, I might start asking people as to what these buildings are, and particularly
this marble statue, if people are familiar with.
I'll come to the end. I might ask people if they know this.
So the picture on the top is the Indian Delhi, New Delhi Parliament building.
The picture on the bottom right is Boston University.
And then I'll come back to that last picture at the end.
So my background is that I studied in India and I did my schooling in New Delhi.
As you can see, as a kid, I was quite a geek in my class coming first and always in my books.
And I grew up in a joint family with my brother, cousins, uncles, aunts, all close by celebrating
Hindu festivals. We enjoyed Christmas too.
My mother was from Kerala. She's passed away, sadly, some time ago, but she's a qualified nurse.
And my father was from Punjab and he was a qualified surgeon.
So coming to my mom first, she did her nursing and then actually went on to Boston University to
pursue her PhD in education.
And that was back in the 1960s. And she had wonderful friends at Boston University and at Harvard.
And at that time, John F. Kennedy was the president.
So, you know, it's such a small world and time lapses come to an end.
And time lapses come together so nicely now that as kids, we used to listen to JFK speeches in Delhi
on LP records, which mom had kept.
She finished her PhD from Boston University in education and returned back to the All India
Institute of Medical Sciences in New Delhi to establish the first BSc nursing college at Ames
in New Delhi.
And she was a huge, huge achiever.
And we used to have Prime Minister Indira Gandhi coming for nursing convocations and
graduation ceremonies.
So that's my mom on the right.
And of course, you can see Prime Minister Indira Gandhi there and my dad alongside my mom.
People who are not familiar with Ames, Delhi, just to let you know that it is a premier
institute of India.
And during my formative years, we used to have well, there used to be only 50 medical school
seats for the entire country.
People could apply and go through a competitive exam and it still remains one of the premier
institutes of India.
They have now created under the Modi government, you know, more Ames in different sites.
But Delhi remains the premier institute of India.
And, you know, I grew up on this campus.
Because my father was a surgeon here, my mom was head of nursing here.
And, you know, I had a very privileged childhood, I would say, you know, with medical students,
post-grad students, you know, nursing students, everybody coming, you know, coming for dinners
and lunches and me going and giving my dad lunch at in the hospital.
So and I noticed, you know, there was a very, very strong work ethic, which was embedded
between in the medical community as well as the nursing community.
I don't know if people know, but nurses from Kerala are world famous and they have they
are very much part of the National Health Service in the UK as well.
And, you know, students from this institute, you know, they have a huge, huge amount of
knowledge and, you know, fantastic skills and Ames is actually known to drive the health
policy of India.
Coming to my dad, he did his post-graduate surgical training from Ames in India and then
he went on to Ottawa to pursue his further training in surgery in the 60s.
So my father and mother were in Ottawa and Boston respectively, and had a Canada US romance,
I think.
He went on to do a fellowship in Glasgow and then he rejoined Ames in the UK.
And then he rejoined Ames and became the head of surgery at Ames.
He also was a huge achiever.
I mean, he's retired and obviously in Delhi, but he was surgeon to the president of India.
Of course, growing up in changing times was hard.
As a child, I remember he was the chief surgeon where at the time when Prime Minister Indira
Gandhi was assassinated and Ames is the centre that all the dignitaries and head of states
come for their treatments.
And a few years later, he was again the chief surgeon when her son and ex-prime minister,
Rajiv Gandhi, was assassinated.
And the reason I say all this is because it just kind of builds from where I come from and my kind
of background of medicine or surgery and the skills of what being a doctor or a nurse would be.
So my medical school primary degree was from India.
And then finally, after completing my primary medical degree, I actually moved to the UK.
My uncle was a GP in the UK and we used to visit during school holidays and join school here
in the UK as my aunt was a teacher.
So I gave my professional exams and I came to the UK back in 2000.
And my postgraduate medical education was, you know, initially through medicine as an acute
medical registrar and being working in the intensive care unit.
I then moved into dermatology research and I worked as a co-investigator for clinical trials.
Now, this was interesting because the clinical trials involved, you know,
use of biologics for psoriasis, for example.
And at that time as a research trainee, the consent process was very elaborate.
You know, you had to go through everything, took about almost an hour to do.
And you had to sign everything, get the patient to sign everything.
And then for follow-up, you had to do a full systemic examination before moving on.
And you have to record every slight, you know, side effect or presumed side effect or,
you know, anything that the patient reported onto the record.
I'm still involved in clinical trial work and at this time as well.
And we still need quite a bit of time to consent patients.
They receive their information leaflets beforehand to the research nurse and then they come in and
have their consent process done. And that again takes about half an hour
because they've got to sign everything and I've got to make sure everything is okay.
I've been, you know, pursuing research, partly in medical education and also we have done a
Cochrane systematic review. But I've always enjoyed teaching
and I've been a full-time NHS medic for almost 25 years.
So you get a certificate if you have managed to survive this long in the NHS.
So I'm still waiting for that, maybe probably August of this year.
So over 18 years of teaching experience, I've been a mentor, education supervisor for,
you know, and I have still got medical students from Nottingham.
So it's an amazing, amazing opportunity that I have got.
And I've been very privileged to be part of the BAD and have an actual role with them as well.
And throughout my medical training, I have to say, you know, I had a really good experience
with everybody around me, all my seniors around me, and everybody having a very patient-centred
approach. And there was implicit, and there has been, implicit trust within the medical fraternity.
So if guidelines were produced or are produced, we followed them because we trusted our colleagues
because they'd spent all the time and effort and looking at the evidence
when they were producing the guidelines or conducting any of the reviews.
Things of course changed, which was a shock surprise for me back in 2019,
you know, when COVID hit. There was a lot of confusion. I was quite fearful. I was going into
hospital operating with limited PPE on skin cancer patients with, you know, being very close to their
face and scalp operating on them, being in close proximity. You were hearing about medics and
nurses kind of dying. I was really quite fearful for my family and friends all over the world.
You know, my husband who was with me, he's a non-medic, but he's an engineer,
and my relatives and friends in the UK, my dad's relative friends in India,
my in-laws in Italy, my brother in Australia, my cousins and family in Canada. So hence, I had,
you know, family everywhere, well, across the world, and which made me kind of look into what
was happening across the world. So everyone was asked to isolate at home, which made me think,
well, how would people know, you know, what condition they may be suffering from,
you know, if they've been told you have to stay at home? What would happen? Do we not think that
other diagnosis may be missed? So people with breathlessness could not just have a viral
infection, could be a bacterial infection, it could be a heart attack, could be a pulmonary
embolism. Are we going to be not looking at those diagnoses? There were no tools to identify at the
time, you know, COVID. And then when PCR testing arrived, the swabs had to be inserted deep into
the nasal cavity to find this highly infectious agent, which I again found a bit bizarre and
surprising. Essential services continued. So we carried on with, you know, seeing skin cancer
patients and emergencies, and we carried on operating on skin cancer patients. And teaching
and training had to evolve at a rapid pace. And that meant, you know, getting online resources,
etc., which I received national recognition for changing things for our trainings.
Then I started to notice new things on the media. So having had the intensive care experience,
not just as dermatologists, but as an acute medic, you know, there was news articles showing
patients in ITU with the endotracheal tube in their mouth and talking. That was very strange.
I've never seen that, you know, because usually you're sedated and you've got the endotracheal
tube in your mouth and you're asleep, you know, you're in a coma, you know, you're in a coma,
you're asleep, you know, you can't be talking. Then this talked about asymptomatic spread.
Again, which was a little bit strange to me. Yes, you can have some conditions where you think
patient may be asymptomatic. But if, if in my normal practice, if somebody is asymptomatic,
I'm thinking, well, they're all right. They're healthy. They're not ill.
Then there were reports of deaths from COVID, deaths with COVID. If somebody had a road traffic
accident, but tested positive, they still died of COVID. If they got stabbed in the street and
tested positive with COVID, for COVID, they were still diagnosed, diagnosed with COVID.
And it was COVID, COVID, COVID every day, 24-7, so much so that I had to stop my radio going into
work because it was terrifying me. You know, every time I was going in the wrong direction,
everybody was staying at home while I'm going into the hospital. And then I realized that,
you know, I needed to have maybe some more information. And so I joined Twitter and
telegrams trying to find some people who thought the same in the sense of, well, this all doesn't
make sense to me. And I did find some people. And, you know, realized that this was also strange,
that there were people who were, you know, asking questions, you know, making suggestions,
saying, well, maybe we could do it another way, or maybe we could think differently. But for the
first time, I was seeing that they were all being silenced. And now, of course, recently,
Mark Zuckerberg has come out to say Facebook was silencing people. You know, my husband was being,
I think, or friends who were trying to say things on Twitter were also silenced. So it was, again,
something quite new and bizarre for me, because, you know, in medicine, you would expect people
would be talking to each other, trying to find some, you know, solutions, especially if you
think something is novel that's come out. And then, of course, there were attempts at treating COVID,
you know, in the UK, you know, we start with the basic measures of stay at home isolation. But what
were other countries doing? Now, because of my link with Ames, I was just looking at what these
guys were up to. And so they came up with a protocol. I mean, this is the one that I've put
up here is a more kind of up to date one. And I can't find the first protocol that came out.
And that basically was, you know, suggesting vitamin C, D, zinc, hydroxychloroquine. Government
of India, one of the state governments where my dad is currently in Uttar Pradesh, they started to
distribute free vitamin D, C, zinc to all, you know, because, you know, as you know, India is not
not very rich country and people, you know, have to do daily wages, etc. And then immunomodulants
like cojise and hydroxychloroquine seem to be quite, you know, look to be attractive options.
And then we had news that President Trump had COVID and then he had hydroxychloroquine.
And that was immediately followed by a journal paper stating that the drug was very dangerous.
And now it's been retracted, which again, to me was strange because for us in dermatology,
we use hydroxychloroquine quite routinely. And, you know, it was safe to use. So again, that was
bizarre and strange for me. I felt love was stronger than fear, because
you all heard about Italy being so badly affected. My husband was very, very concerned about his
parents. So he said, I'm going to Italy, I don't care. You have to come, you come. And I was like,
no, no, I'm going to follow you. And we visited Italy. And actually, when we went to Sicily,
things were okay. People were, I didn't, we didn't see anybody, you know, as, as what we were being
shown on TV. It may be that on different areas. But again, strange occurrences. People were being
fined for walking alone without a mask on the beach. There were huge restrictions without the
COVID pass. So you couldn't enter the bank, you couldn't go to the post office. You couldn't enter
a restaurant. And we had a similar, you know, experience when we went to India, because I was
worried about my father. And so I was like, I have to go home, I have to go home, and I have to go
and see my dad. And we visited India. And that was again strange. So there's lots of testing and
tracing. But in all the time that I would visit India, and I was there, you know, we've had so
many communicable diseases. We never had such a level of, of, you know, testing, tracing,
phone calls, text messages, etc. In Delhi, you will find if you didn't wear a mask,
even if you were alone in your car. So that again didn't make sense to me.
And then the COVID jab rollout started. So some more interesting events were being noticed by
myself. So a safe and effective product was created in less than six months. Normally,
one would expect a vaccine to take years as you know, vaccines are given to healthy people, not,
not the ill people. So you want to make sure that safety is paramount. The clinical trials were cut
short, and the control group was unblinded and treated. So there was no comparison to the placebo.
And that kind of meant we couldn't really find out what was happening for long term safety data.
In Sicily, again, you know, people were being jabbed by personnel in mobile vans carrying,
carrying these injections in ice boxes. And when actually the recommendation was to preserve and
transport them at minus 80 degrees. So I mean, what you're doing with ice boxes in 40 degrees.
Bizarre. And then finally, you know, people were considered unvaccinated for the first two weeks of
receiving the job. So again, that made me think, you know, if I was to give somebody penicillin,
and they had an adverse reaction, and had an anaphylaxis or had a really bad skin reaction,
could I turn around and say, well, actually, you didn't have the penicillin, if it was with
within two weeks of having the penicillin. Again, it was, it was bizarre.
I started to get anecdotal reports from people around me of, of, you know, hairdressers,
taxi drivers, people who were just talking, cleaning lady, shopkeepers telling me about,
you know, sudden deaths, heart attacks, strokes, cancer amongst family members,
you know, with brain tumors, lymphomas or breast cancer. And then of course, the mandates arrived,
and that was across the world. So I was watching everywhere. I was looking Australia, because my
brother and family lived there. I was looking at Canada, because my cousins lived there.
And of course, the UK, you know, where care home workers and then NHS workers were
all going to be affected. Of course, care home workers were affected. And so was most a lot of
NHS workers. And eventually this was withdrawn. So if I saw somebody who was vaccine injured,
you know, or the there was a temporary relationship amongst my patients or, or anyone,
really, I was completing yellow cards to try and raise the concern about it. And then sharing
relevant articles with people in India, because you may not be aware, but AstraZeneca version
was being given to Indian population, which is called Covishield. And they had their own
different version, a traditional method version that was co vaccine. So when AstraZeneca was
withdrawn in the UK and elsewhere, India was still carrying on with Covishield. So it was
important to just let people know that actually, we should be looking carefully about this,
and perhaps looking to discontinue this.
And in India, you know, two weeks after the injection started, I have a lovely group of
school friends whom I've known from nursery standards. So in India, you carry on being
together from nursery till high school. And now, you know, we're all at that age where we've known
each other for almost 45 plus years. And it was just so distressing that that WhatsApp group,
every morning because of the time difference from UK and India of five and a half hours,
I would wake up and there would be a report of someone, someone's parents, somebody's aunt,
somebody's, you know, sibling having passed away. You know, classmate sister, she died suddenly.
She was in her late 40s, her classmates, friends, father died. And during the funeral,
the brother died. Our family friend, who's my dad's friend, he died between the first and the
second dose. Another family friend got multiple Kremlin of paralysis. And then he wanted to travel
to Singapore because his family was there. And I just was like, I think you need to be a bit more
careful about this. A neighbor stayed for ovarian cancer and died within weeks of diagnosis.
Another family friend had breast cancer. She was in remission and everything returned and then she
passed away. Another friend's daughter, they're upset, severe herpes zoster. And I couldn't
explain why this all was going on. Within my own family, you know, one of them got heart failure,
another one had a huge stroke in the middle of the road and then eventually passed away.
My father developed new onset diabetes at his, you know, elderly age and developed
diabetic ketoacidosis and sepsis and was rushed into hospital with multi-organ failure.
He survived thanks to the staff and they were incredible having looked after him.
And we noticed similar things happening in Italy, you know, an uncle developing an autoimmune disease
with sudden blindness in one eye, another uncle going in for angioplasties, somebody else having
DVTs. My father-in-law, he, you know, he was in a care home and then he passed away. And my mother-in-law
told me that the care home closed because all the residents passed away. So it was a really, really
distressing and horrible time leaving, you know, one to think, gosh, what is going on all around me?
I'm grateful that things have now changed and things have calmed down in the last, you know,
over the last five years now, I think. And I noticed that, you know, people that I was watching
being censored on the main are now back on the main stage. And Australia had given a hard time
to Novak Charles and at least now he's back to playing again and is less restricted.
So, you know, in my final kind of slide, I would want to say that, you know, I think love conquers
fear because I've noticed that for me, my love for my father made me go back to India and see what
was going on. Our love for my in-laws made us go to Italy and see what was going on. My love for my
patients, you know, wanted to make sure that they were safe, you know, and trying to do whatever we
could. And same thing for my trainings was really, really important. And I think I have to say that
my husband has been an incredible force for me to have even had the courage to even come today,
for example, but even to be going through this process for all these years, it's been an
incredibly hard journey. And I don't think anything of any of this would have been possible without
God in our lives. So I'm going to end this by asking, who is this person, this marble statue,
and where do you think we are? Thank you.
Yes. Well, Molina, thank you. Who knows where that statue is? Put your hand up if you think you know.
Well, it's very familiar, but I honestly can't think. Do you know, Charles? No.
Okay, I'll tell you. It's Santa Rosalia in Palermo in Sicily, and she's a saint of miracles and
healing. And we try and go every Christmas to just see what's going on. And I think that's
a very special feeling. And we try and go every Christmas to just try and heal ourselves and
heal the world. Thank you. So what's all the gold, Molina?
Well, she's been adorned with all the gold, I guess. It's in a sealed kind of enclosure,
so nobody's going to steal it. But you can see me with my broken foot there and my husband.
But behind me is again Santa Rosalia, and people will ask for miracles. And when things happen,
they'll come and leave things here. So you might see some little crutches or baby clothes and
things like that when people are asking for a miracle to happen. She does help. Thank you.
How did you break your foot, Molina? Oh, I just went down the stairs.
So thank you. If you stop the share now, Molina, and thank you so much for telling your story.
It's terrific. I know a number of people in your situation in India. I say to people,
India, there's no such place as India. There are 800 languages spoken in India.
There's 26 official languages in India. I look on India as 800 tribes of 2 million people on
average. And I've got friends, Molina in Australia, who on your journey, and it's a fascinating
journey to have a father as a doctor and your mother in medicine and then you. And I was
thinking, why aren't you a surgeon, but I suppose you are as a dermatologist in India?
Oh, no, I didn't want to be. I didn't see my father. He was always in theater. So I don't have much
recollection of him as a child because he was constantly just operating. But I do have very
good recollection of his students who are now, you know, head of departments, and they still have so
much regard for him. And I think that's probably what saved him because they just looked after him
like their own, which is incredible. Plus you've got to stand for a very long hours as a surgeon.
We've had the comment made in previous meetings that you really need to be a psychopath to be a
surgeon, to be able to keep cutting people in bits. So that was an interesting comment that other
doctors made. I didn't make. So the question I thought, and I really will have a conversation
about this because Stephen goes with the questions first, but I thought you told us that last year
you didn't get the jabs. Did you? Is that correct? Or you had to get the jabs? No, that is correct.
So well done. Well, you know, the question for you then is which is correct, Mollina?
You didn't take the jabs? No, I didn't. And why did, how did you know not to take them?
What was it that stopped you going along with what everyone else was doing or nearly everyone else?
Yeah, because of what, because of the data that was coming out, because of the side effects that
people were reporting. And because I was looking or rather my husband as well, looking at the
Italian data as well and looking at looking at things from a kind of bird's eye perspective,
which made me think something is not right here. Very close to the time people were already
reporting to me that they were witnessing, you know, their own loved ones, you know, either dying
suddenly or having a sudden onset of a stroke or a heart attack, which with close kind of temporal
relationship, you couldn't prove it, but it was all kind of bizarre. And it just made me wary.
And hence I said, well, let's just wait for the safety and efficacy data to come out.
And so I waited. And the more I waited, the more I thought, right, I think I better stay away.
Sure. So, Stephen, the next 15 minutes are yours. I've got a stack of questions and others will have
as well, but over to you, Stephen. Thanks, Charles. So, the clinical trials, you're working with
clinical trials early on in your career, weren't you? So you understood about clinical trials,
but at the time you decided not to get these injections, did you realize that there were no
clinical trials, at least worth the name? To me, it was, you know, it was unusual because,
you know, when I was working with clinical being a co-investigator clinical trials,
you'd spent so much time going through every bit of the paperwork and also making sure that the
patient understood the do's and don'ts of whatever drug you were going to give them,
and that they could withdraw at any time. And the consent process was quite elaborate.
And the follow up was equally elaborate, you know, especially for, for example,
using biologics for psoriasis. Currently, I'm involved in a clinical trial, and I'm a clinical
currently I'm involved in a clinical trial, you know, looking at vulva-like
sclerosis because I also do vulva dermatosis and dermatology. And, and that involves, you know,
you have to think before you get yourself into, you know, getting into doing clinical research,
because you've got to take the time to actually speak with patients. And the clinical research
nurse goes through everything prior to having the consent signed. So, I don't know what was
happening in the community, because obviously I'm hospital based as to whether any consent
process was happening. I'm not sure. Did you notice, um, well, you know, that the coronavirus act
had specific measures outlined, and this was a document I can't remember exactly now, but it
was hundreds of pages. So the British government kind of led people to believe, but maybe didn't
actually say that this was produced in a rush, you know, since the pandemic came about. So like
three weeks to, there's no way they did it in three weeks. So, but they had, they had all the laws
and regulations, if you like, for coroners and post-mortems. So the coroners suddenly lost their
power to do anything. And they weren't interested in what people were dying of for the first time
ever in the United Kingdom. So as far as I could understand anyway, and post-mortems weren't being
conducted. I'm thinking, whoa, in addition, so early on I realized that everybody was lying.
And there was a global coup d'etat. And I think I have to thank my whistleblowing case for that,
because people were lying to me constantly in that case, the M.O.D. in particular, and the military.
And so I understood when people were lying to me and I knew I was being lied to over COVID
straight away. And I don't think I would have understood that had I not gone through that
experience with the whistleblowing case over five and a half years, by the way. So.
I think you're right. I think you're right, Steven. I think there are, there are aspects of your life
that kind of steer you in one direction or the other. And if you've had some experiences,
which are which have kind of marred you or scarred you, you are wary of things that have happened.
And therefore, you don't necessarily believe everything that is told to you in the first
instance. So yeah, you're right. I think I have reflected as to why my response was perhaps
different from others, you know. And I think it's probably because, A, my upbringing was quite
unconventional in India, in Delhi. B, having had the experience of, you know, having done a cock
crane, looking at clinical trial data and RCTs and things, and also then also actually participating
and being a co-investigator in clinical trials. And then also having some acute medical experience.
So these were things that just kind of, you know, it all kind of came together and it didn't make
sense to me at the time. So hence, I think, and also when, you know, after traveling and realizing
actually, we didn't see, because my, I remember my mother-in-law ringing us in Italy, in India,
really panicking, thinking that people were all on the streets and they were all, you know,
that's what that was being shown on TV. So it may be that, yes, it was happening elsewhere,
but we certainly didn't encounter it. So our lived experience was different from what was being shown.
Yeah. So generally, Maulina, you're a medical doctor, so am I. So we need to have opinions
about this kind of thing, or, you know, so guessing, if you like, or hypothesizing on behalf of our
patients. So do you think when we are going through great traumas in our lives, you know,
not necessarily COVID, but, you know, from childhood, for example, that all of us manage.
And so actually, you don't realize through that you've been through a trauma until you're actually
not functioning later. Do you understand me? Yeah. And you might not realize then without help. So
I feel now, looking back over this last five years, that there is a distinct possibility that
people were absolutely terrified by the whole narrative, you know, what you're describing about
the radio and the television, I think you mentioned. And so it seemed that all of a sudden,
the primary aim of all the governments around the world was to scare their populations. And that was
deeply destabilizing to human beings, I think. But everybody managed, well, some less well than others.
But we thought that we were managing better because we understood it to some extent, but I
don't think we did understand it any more than any human being could understand what was going on in
2020. So I now think that we've all been damaged to a greater or lesser extent by what's happened
in the last five years. And it's going to be very difficult for many people to recover. What do you
think? So what they did, in my opinion, which was unforgivable was they isolated human beings.
And every doctor in the world should have known that that was wrong. And they didn't understand.
And to be honest, I didn't understand either. I couldn't bear to see the masks.
So I created my own little world. I kind of thought, well, I'll stop going out and I won't
see the masks then. But of course, that meant I wasn't seeing people as often as I normally would.
So I was isolating myself. So that wasn't great. And it took me a long time to realize
I needed to get the hell out of the house a lot more than I was at the time I was creating my own
world. And I think it was very traumatic. You know, for me as well, it was I felt I was very scared,
you know, going in, being in close proximity and, you know, operating, which was it all went well.
I mean, thank God nothing happened really. I was perfectly okay. And, you know, everybody was so
has been kind. I think my staff members and patients, everybody have been really, really kind.
But it was isolating. I agree. And I think people were afraid of people who are going into hospitals.
So, you know, just on just in my in my street, you know, people would avoid coming near me,
because they thought I would be infectious or infected. So it's, and I think, again,
at that time, you feel hurt because people are avoiding you or, or they don't understand or,
or whatever. But you one has to be forgiving and one has to understand that people will
behave differently. When one is fearful, and you don't necessarily respond and react in the in a
normal, logical fashion when one is terrified. So when you've got a world, Malina, where
everybody's being asked to say, think that it's normal to take down whole countries,
and small businesses and medium sized businesses, you know, that it's normal, all to protect granny.
You know, this was massively, this was a massive lie. And they still continue and they are continuing
with this nonsense of saying, in the UK, for example, the official inquiry has completely
lost credit. Well, it never had any credibility, never had any chance of being credible. But
what they're saying is, essentially, we need to learn from the so called pandemic, which might,
in my opinion, never occurred. And next time, we need to make sure that we do better than we did,
in other words, lockdown better and earlier. Absolutely outrageous. And they don't understand.
So I think that people need to understand how human beings work, you know, how they work when
there's severely under stress. And some people did understand this, I think, and they deliberately
did what they did. So I do think that the people responsible for this need to be held to account.
But in order to get that to that situation, where we can get people to hold these people to account,
we have to get people to understand what's happened to them. And they don't understand.
And I don't know how to do it. But I'd be very grateful if you can work out.
I know I have not. I can't comment on this, because I frankly have not been
really following the COVID inquiry, just because I've been so inundated with work and, you know,
clinical commitments. So I can't really comment what has been going on. It's beyond my expertise,
frankly. And I think I'm sure people are actually looking into it. And things, you know,
sometimes things evolve in time. And time is a great healer. And time does reveal everything, I think.
Yeah. Marlena, as a medical doctor in the UK, do you feel that the diagnosis of COVID,
the alleged diagnosis, the reported diagnosis of COVID was safe?
I can't comment on this, Stephen. I'm not the expert on this. So, you know, I think, yeah,
I would, I can't comment on it. Yeah. So I don't think it was safe. And they,
but they needed that diagnosis to create the deaths, to create the fear, to give the illusion
of a pandemic. And there was no pandemic. That's my opinion. And I don't expect you to comment. But
anyway, Charles, go ahead with it. Okay. Oh, I think Jerry had his hand up, but he's down now.
Yes, Jerry's hand is down. I don't know where he's gone. He's maybe he's take, he's taken his advice
before we started and celebrating St. Patrick's Day, according to Australian time. Marlena,
I'm very interested in tip of the spear actions before we go to Mark. And the question that,
you know, your part, you're working within the NHS, but there must be whistleblowers
within the NHS who know the crap that's gone on. Or secondly, there must be retired doctors who
know the crap that's gone on. And what I would urge you to do is perhaps with Stephen off, offline,
to get some of those retired NHS doctors to give guidance to people on shining a light on the
outrageous practices within the medical system, because I don't see anything, I don't see anybody
saying any good things about the NHS. And something needs to be done over the last five years,
but also for what's masquerading as good health advice. And Ahmad Malik, I'm sure you've heard
Ahmad here, and I hope you're a subscriber to Ahmad's work. And he, you know, he is scathing
about the practice of medicine in the UK. So that's the thought I have, I don't want you to,
because you're working in the system. And I would love to discuss that with you off think,
offline, because we need to really go for the jugular. And yesterday on Sky, on the Outsiders
Program, Tony Nickolick, a colleague lawyer here in Australia, came out hard, it was an excellent
piece. And we must hold the bastards to account. Just like Senator Malcolm Roberts last week,
Stephen, said, we won't forget, and we're coming after you. And I urge all of us to keep putting
those words, putting repeating those messages, and retired politicians and every one of them who
supported what happened this, this series of behaviors that you so eloquently showed in,
in a well constructed story, we cannot let this pass. We simply can't let it pass.
So that's my comment to you. I don't expect you to say anything because of the position you're in.
But you know, you've this is cellular stuff for you,
Molina. And I look at, you know, how your mom and dad would have been treating patients,
the proper treatment of patients. And by the way, I'm just scathing about the legal profession.
Trust me. So food for thought for you. Okay. And talk to Stephen offline.
Charles, he said, we are coming for you. Malcolm Roberts, those are his exact words. I remember
them. You said we are coming after you, I think we are coming. And we have to come for them.
Even when they're retired. I've said this before, we must. Every time any of these retired
politicians who behaved badly, as distinct from obviously incompetently, but who behave badly,
like the Matt Hancock's of this world, we have to make their life miserable whenever they dare to
show their face in public, number one, and number two, we need to shine a light on their wealth
that they have accumulated during their political career. And so all of us any, any, any display of
wealth by politicians must be investigated. And that's what I'm doing in Australia. I urge all of
us to do it. So that so that these bastards who got money in politics, like the Nancy Pelosi's
of this world, never get to properly enjoy never get to enjoy the ill gotten, unlawfully gotten,
criminally gotten resources. All right, Mark. Thank you, Melina. You mentioned that you
with informed consent, you didn't have a knowledge of what the informed consent was outside
of the NHS. So I'd like to give you a brief insight. My hairdresser was in fact a vaccinator.
And what people would do is they would go in and see the doctor or nurse,
and have a small chat with them. And then she would chat them. And she did this for the first
chat and the second. And after the second, she didn't give any more because she heard some of
the people complaining that they had had an adverse reaction. And they'd asked, could it be from the
previous job? And they were dismissed, it was just dismissed out of hand, no, can't be anything
to do with it. These are safe. And that's what was going on. Then I tackled my local surgery
to find out how were they actually able to get informed consent. When the leaflet that was given
was 2438 words, it would take an average adult 12 minutes to read. So they can't have read it.
And if they had read it, they wouldn't have understood it because of a lot of technical
jargon in it. And then within that document, there was adverse reactions. And
the government lied. Under lymph endopathy, it said it was uncommon, but they put an asterisk
at the end, which actually made it common. The percentage from the trial had gone from 0.4%
to 5.2%. So a 13 fold increase. And the MHRA did nothing. They should have acted on that immediately
and said, we have a problem here. We need to find out why has it gone up? But they did nothing.
I then tried to find out about informed consent locally by asking members of the public who are
waiting to get jabbed if they knew about the yellow card system, the adverse events. And these
people were having shot number six and seven. They've never heard about the yellow card.
They didn't hear about any adverse events. And the pharmacist later came out and asked me to remove
myself. And I asked, how are you giving informed consent? How do you get it? And she said, we're
getting it. So I actually recorded the conversation that was had. And it was, are you Mr. Dyer? Yes.
Are you here for your jab? Yes. Did you have any reaction last time? No. Which arm? Those were the
only questions. That is not informed consent. So I just wanted to inform you that that is actually
what was going on in public. Thank you, Mark.
Yes, it's an interesting question, this informed consent. And last week, Glenn Floyd reinforced the
distinction between informed consent by the patient and valid consent from the doctor's
perspective. Because any informed consent, which can be, I know I'm informed that there's no
proper safety and efficacy testing, but I want this jab, say, well, the doctor says, well, are
you here under coercion? Yes. Well, then it's not valid consent. And certainly in Australian law,
the doctor cannot then or nobody can inject that person, Mark. So just those two terms, informed
consent by the patient, valid consent required before a doctor can inject a person. That's why
so many doctors don't inject, but their nurses inject or hairdressers inject.
No, Charles, the thing that worried me most is that there were eight people there, and they thought
that it was up to them to do their own research. You couldn't make it up. They thought it was up
to them to find out how safe this jab was. And there were two people there that said, well,
it's very rare, but if it happens, it happens. It's to safeguard the majority.
Somehow. Well, the government has put this across to people, right? That's why they believe it,
because the government indoctrinated people into believing those things which are untrue.
And did you were you doing a kind of were you presenting yourself for vaccination
falsely or and then withdrawing or did you actually get injured?
No, no, no, I was representing the patient participation group. I told them who I was.
I was the chairman of the past and, you know, the patient participation group. And I told them that
I just asked them, why are you here? And they said, we're here for a jab. And I asked them
which jabs flew. Some of them were having flu and covid at the same time. And I just asked them
if they knew, you know, about risks and things like that. I didn't tell them the risks. I just
asked them if they knew about them. Yeah. Yeah. Mark, I personally think that the
real evil was isolating people that created that kind of stoked the fear, if you like,
to prepare people for taking a vaccination which wasn't a vaccination which was likely to
injure them. So so in other words, I think the primary. So a lot of people are fixed on the
injection, but I think we need to start thinking about the creation of the fear and the isolation,
which really stoked it up, you know. So and that's what they do in prison, of course,
you know, when they want to come on, Steven, we got hands up. We got hands up.
Carrie. Carrie is an American doctor.
I call you Molina. You may call me Carrie. That's fine. I was wondering, I have two questions and
one is, I was of the impression that NHS mandated that everybody have a shot in order to keep your
employment and that you would have to file some sort of a religious exemption or something like
that. But I might be wrong. For some Americans. So yeah, so they did mandate it. But then they
they took that away, I think, two weeks before it came into force. So
so Molina, I hope you that the NHS mandated it for their staff. They never had the authority or the,
you know, even the purported power to tell the public what to do. So but they did mandate it
for their staff and eat really badly. In my opinion, they withdrew the mandate the day before
it was due to expire, by which time, of course, most people had had the injection
who were going to get it. And that was really evil. Anyway, go ahead, Carrie. Sorry.
Well, that was a blessing because my sister had three and I but you have to admire the fact that
and I admire you too, that you didn't abandon your patience and you didn't abandon your work.
And, you know, so you can feel good about that. I mean, it was very difficult time. And I just I
just want you to feel admiration because, you know, and inspiration that you're giving me.
I feel so horrified for my sister. I tried everything to keep her from getting the third one.
And but she had to have it. She works in the Baylor system. Unfortunately, you know,
Hotez, you probably know about that little guy. Unfortunately. At any rate, the second question
I have. Yeah, sorry, go on. No, no, you go ahead. I was going to say, Carrie, thank you. Yeah, I,
I have to say I tried my level best to keep the patients at the center of everything.
And the students and the trainees because everybody was frightened, you know, and they
were looking for people at senior levels to kind of guide them. And also, you know, when we switched
to, for example, online teaching training, that meant having patients coming online. So instead
of coming face to face, we normally I would set up volunteer patients coming in and students having
an opportunity to examine them and take a history, etc. But we could no longer bring those patients
in because it was unethical to bring patients for just for teaching purposes. So into the hospital.
So so we we we got them online. And I think we made a difference for them as well, because they
were isolated and they were frightened. And it was it was a there were there were people who had
not spoken to anybody. And they would wait for that weekly teaching session to happen.
You know, or if they had a query, they had the opportunity to speak with me, whilst I was there
facilitating the session. So I think in that way, I tried, I tried my hardest to try and support
people around me whilst myself feeling like I was going to collapse, you know,
on some points. But thank you.
Okay, we all appreciate and love you. Okay.
I have one more question. Okay, good. Okay. The other question I have, I have a friend that I
used to work under a long story, but I used to work as a pharmacy tech before I got my Florida
license. And while I was waiting for it, and she's a pharmacist, and she so she did give some shots,
I mean, I know she did. And she feels so guilty. She won't look me in the eye when I talked to her
about it. And I keep apologizing to her for not getting them stopped yet in the pharmacy,
you know, and I keep telling everybody, don't take them and don't advertise them. And I have a plan
and I'm working on it. Okay. But I guess my feeling is that we need to be more forgiving.
Like, like you said, love, we need to realize how much the whole world was duped. Okay, some of us
saw it. And and and we were the fortunate ones, actually, maybe we lost jobs, licenses, or whatever
else, but we were still the fortunate ones. But so many people were blackmailed with jobs, families,
whatever, lied to. And so I know we all feel a little bit of survivor guilt, I certainly do.
And I wonder if you feel that. And then I'm trying to figure out a way to help my pharmacist friend,
she's a Christian, and she feels deeply about this. And I know she feels horrific guilt.
And so I told her, you know, we were all duped, we need to move on, you need to forgive yourself.
You know, that that was, and I'm going to stop this, we're gonna stop this, you know,
Robert F. Kennedy is going to stop this. So I just wondered if you have thoughts about survivor guilt
and how to help those who were giving the shots, you know, I was taken out early 2016, actually,
well, 2018. But long story, it's not about me. So I wondered if you had any insight about helping
people get past the survivor guilt, get past the guilt of having given somebody shots. And
I honestly think that anybody who feels remorse and turns around, even at this late stage,
should be welcomed with open arms and forgiven. But that's me.
Love you. Thank you, Carrie. I don't have an answer for this. It's very difficult. I think
this is a personal journey for everybody, whether they, you know, whether they received one,
whether they gave one, whether they didn't have one, you know, these things have evolved over time.
And I don't think one can fix things just by kind of offloading. I think people have to think about
it and have deep critical reflection and self reflection. And then the rest you leave to God.
And I think that's my, I'm a big believer in God. I mean, for me, God is one, whether I'm a Hindu,
but my husband's Catholic. It doesn't matter for me. God is one. And I think for me,
through this journey, God guided me. You know, so, and I believe in karma as well. So, you know,
what one might do in thought and action may then be repealed at some other point, at some other,
some other journey. So I think, I think you, you know, you, you're trying to help your,
your colleague and your friends. And that's what you can do as an individual, as a person,
as a human being. The rest will have to just follow in time. I don't think one can fix this
quickly or easily.
Thank you.
So one of the things I've known, would say about Maulina is I'm very struck by, look, you know,
despite what everyone thinks about doctors in the last five years and the way they let so many
people down, I think Maulina can have a clear conscience. She's absolutely the doctor that
everybody would want if they were ill.
I'm not so sure about that, Stephen. But okay.
No, I think you are.
You need a surgeon or an intensivist. You need a surgeon or intensivist.
Yeah. But I mean, with the intent, Maulina, I don't think you're capable of telling a lie.
I think, I mean, I've, I've tried to practice medicine and I tell my students and trainees
the same is that if you look after people like your own, i.e. your own mother, brother, father,
sister, child, you are not going to go far wrong because you will do what it takes.
Exactly.
Get it right for them.
Yes.
And that's something that was ingrained, I think, just watching my own parents and watching the,
the nursing staff, the medical students and the post grads in at Ames and in Delhi, you know,
they were complete dedication. And I think I grew up on that and that just has kind of perhaps
framed me, you know.
Yeah. Very good, Maulina. So we'll go on to Karen, who is feisty and in Scotland.
Hi, Karen.
She lives in a magnificent home in Scotland. As you can see, it's behind us.
It's amazing.
That is actually Glasgow City Chambers. I was on the VIP guest list for Chinese New Year
celebrations recently, a few weeks ago. So it was a beautiful building. If you come to Glasgow,
you must visit.
I'm Glaswegian, by the way. I was born there.
Lovely. Lovely. Oh, you know, Glasgow City Chambers where it is in George Square. Lovely.
Hi there, Maulina. Thank you for your lovely presentation.
I practice traditional Chinese medicine. I'm now in my 34th year of practice,
but I did come across a very unusual case that I've never seen before. I don't really treat a lot
of skin conditions, but this lady presented. She was waiting to see a dermatologist and she
was in so much pain she came to see me for some help. So basically, I think it was after the sixth
vaccine, within two days, she had burning literally from the neck down all over her entire body.
And she felt a wee bit better with the acupuncture. On the first day that she came,
I had a wee look at her back just in case there was any shingles eruptions or anything I could see.
But within a month, the shingles did break out. And then she managed to get her
a weighted appointment with the dermatologist. So I had never seen anything like that before.
And then later on, I came across a YouTube video where there was a lady in America who was,
she had been on the clinical trial. I think it was for Pfizer. And after her first injection,
she had this burning pain all over her body and she described it like she had been rolled in cactus.
And I went, oh my goodness, my patient here in Scotland has described this burning. And obviously,
she doesn't live in America, so she wouldn't use the word cactus. So that's how much pain she was
in all over the body. Now, partly she was actually removed from the clinical trial and all that data
on her was removed. So they knew about these side effects. And I'm just wondering, in your practice
as a dermatologist, Malina, have you seen anything unusual, skin conditions that you know
are linked to associated or side effects of any of the vaccinations that the people have taken for
COVID? Thank you, Karen. I mean, there have certainly been cases where patients have
developed shingles afterwards and there are reports on this. And there are other
dermatological conditions that have occurred post-JAB and we tend to yellow card those as well.
I'm not familiar with the one which is pain all over. I'm not familiar with that one,
but I'm sure there will be other experts who may well be able to comment on it. So definitely,
there have been many, many, many case reports which are related to the JAB.
And patients have had some exacerbation of skin condition or a new skin condition.
Thank you. Very good. Gary Hawkins. Gary, I can't quite remember. Are you a psychologist?
No, I'm getting mixed up. Researcher.
You are a psychologist, aren't you? No, I study people. I'm not. Sorry about that. Just an
independent researcher, data guy. I did. Malina, you're probably familiar with the bears. I did a
lot of work in that. Since you're from India, one of my questions is in the chat. Which company
was most prevalent in India? Was it AstraZeneca or maybe Pfizer?
So Pfizer was not allowed in India because I think the Indian government asked for 500
doses to be used as a small clinical trial from what I understand. And Pfizer did not want to go
ahead with that. And so therefore, Pfizer was not allowed into India. So they had the AstraZeneca
version, which is called Covishield. And then they had a traditional one, which is called Covaxin.
So those are the two major or main JABs that they were having. I don't know for sure which one was
being given more than others. But of course, amongst the Indian community, it was an Oxford
JAB. There was a little bit of poshness about having an Oxford injection as opposed to a local one.
Were the protocols the same between those two?
I'm not familiar. I don't know. I'm not sure.
So Moderna and Pfizer were two shots.
Yeah, I don't think Moderna was the only ones I knew of were Covishield and Covaxin.
So if you weren't hearing about the two shots a couple, three weeks apart,
followed by boosters every six months to a year, then it would have been the single
injection initially, which is what I understand AstraZeneca and J&J, Johnson & Johnson were.
So I wanted to ask you about population. India surpassed China in total population,
and most of those people are in the fertile areas of India in the north, right?
Yes, I would think so.
Were you aware that you guys exceeded China in population?
I think so, yes.
So have you heard of like numbers for India of supposed COVID deaths?
No, no, I don't. I'm not even sure how they're recording this,
because that was the other thing that people were looking for and they couldn't find.
So I don't think they've got a very robust way to record side effects and also deaths.
And how do you link the two? That's the other thing, you see. So
you have to go back to the same place to say that this person had the adverse event
at this particular clinic. And as you know, India is so massive, and if you're mass jabbing,
it's impossible to go back and try and do this. And who's going to be recording it?
So I think things were quite difficult and challenging for people to actually get some
redressal. And certainly from people I've met on Twitter, there's a couple who sadly lost their
18 year old, who was, I think, was asked to have her the injections because she was going to go for
university exam. And they have reached out and asked questions for me. And I've tried to give
them whatever I have, whatever data that I have, they send. But I think like everywhere else,
it's a very long drawn out process of trying to find and trying to redress this. I think UK is the
same and India is the same. I think they're five years on. I think they've now managed to reach
Supreme Court. So everybody here knows that I've been focused on the fertility aspect of the
jabs. You're an oncologist. But have you heard of lots of stillbirths and so forth?
No, no, I mean, I don't do any obstetrics work. So I'm not familiar. No.
Like I just took a look at the World Bank, World Population Statistics again, and
they stopped updating in 2023. I can't find information for the United States in the last
few years. It seems that they're hiding something. There was some chart that came out for Australia
showing that the fertility is way down in Australia. So I just was wondering whether you
had a sense like in the news or something about. No, I think again, I think that would be something
that would not be as apparent in India, especially. It probably again will take time for it to come
out. Thank you. Hey, thanks for being here. Thank you. Yeah. Which state are you in, Gary? Can you
remind me? Is it Oregon? I'm in Seattle, Washington, Washington state. OK, we're Microsoft.
I was at Microsoft for eight years. Yeah. Email Bill Gates a couple of times and he did not reply,
surprisingly. What's wrong with him? Thank you, Gary. So next question is from Jim, who's a
medical doctor in America and he is a radiologist, actually, like I am. And
in addition, he has links to US intelligence. Hi, thanks for a great presentation. And I
don't know about links to intelligence, but I used to work in the military. And I'm wondering,
are you aware that this is some kind of biological weapon or is that your understanding
of the covid and the lockdowns and all this stuff that this is a Department of Defense
intra, I'll call it six eyes
plan. And then I have some specific questions about your practice and how we might stop the
next pandemic, which is coming possibly in the near future. No, I'm afraid I can't comment on
this. I have no I don't have any understanding of this and I don't want to say things that
may be completely misconstrued. And yeah, and it's very and as a as a major academic teacher,
you have to be very careful about what you do say and what you can acknowledge.
And I respect that and I understand that. And it's it's hard to even stay in the system when
you know so much. So I'm a hats off to you for for being able to do so. But so have you followed any
any CD4 CD8 or CD3 cell counts in your patients after the covid before the jab or even the
unvaccinated and seen particularly CD8 counts dropping? No, no. So I'm primarily a clinician.
We don't tend to do this at this end. Unless we're suspecting something like lymphoma or something
like that. We won't necessarily be looking at these and that's not readily available.
Dermatology at this end is quite different, perhaps practice compared to America maybe,
it's very much clinical. We don't tend to be looking for these unless there's something
there's a high suspicion for something. OK, and you make you make clinical diagnosis and then you
treat rather than sometimes doing a test, like for instance, say we're saying you have to do the covid
test, but you could technically clinically diagnose these diseases and then treat them.
Yeah, I mean you wouldn't necessarily look for a covid test, you know, so
and then patients, I mean at this stage, patients, I mean if they're infectious,
they wouldn't be coming to dermatology anyway. So hence, you know, it wouldn't necessarily be
happening. But we may get some information from the general practitioners, the primary care
physicians regarding their their job status. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. But sometimes
if patients give a temporal relationship that something has happened and following that they've
developed a rash, then you kind of make that diagnosis based on that clinical history and
examination. Thank you. And did you, many of the many people in the United States, as you pointed
out, Trump took hydroxychloroquine. We found that the half-life of hydroxychloroquine was 22 days,
so you need to maybe take hydroxychloroquine 200 milligrams once every week. Stella Emanuel,
Dr. Emanuel called it the Sunday Sunday medicine. Ivermectin, all the dogs and cats and things are
dewormed once a month. That's kind of how we've, some people have been using ivermectin as once a
month. Do you have any, had you been using any of these medic, these anti-parasitics as antivirals?
No, no, because I mean we, I had little to do with COVID in our practice. So people, you know,
unless they had a dermatology condition that was related to a jab or something that might be
related to a violinist, then yes, you would you would look into that, but otherwise not really, no.
And then the, what kind of dermatology problems have you seen associated with the SARS-CoV-2
spike protein? You mentioned herp, zoster, have you been seeing anything else?
Again, it's very difficult to make that temporal relationship because we don't sometimes get the
general practitioner's notes or they may not be available or they may not be recorded,
and so unless the patients are actually telling us that this might be related or
there might be a temporal relationship, we may not be actually looking for those. So
there are times that you may see a new autoimmune condition, may see lupus for example,
that you know you would say yes, actually this might be related to drug-induced lupus for example.
I see, and then we've been, or some people have been finding that T cell damage is in the vaxxed
as well as the unvaxxed. And so just keep that in mind as you go through your travel,
this might be a self-propagating thing as we go through, and I've been talking about a medication
called nitaxoxanide, and I don't know if you've ever heard about, heard of a medication, but it
is the only medication listed in Wikipedia as a broad spectrum antiviral. So just thank you very
much for your insights and your... Jimmy, are you in Florida? No, I'm in the Philadelphia area.
All right, so because the sky looks pretty gray there for Florida. Yes, and this is,
this is the weather is, the winds are terrible, and as you know I attribute a lot of this stuff
to our intelligence agencies, and the U.S. Air Force put out a paper in 1996, I think it was,
that said they will have complete control of the weather by 2025. Sure. So welcome to 2025.
And thank you, so thank you very much for the conversation, really, really excellent.
So I think Jim's a medical doctor in America, a radiologist, but he's at the opposite end of this,
so he likes to kind of think laterally, shall we say, and well I'm sure you do when it comes
to dermatology, Malmina, but you know you're very conservative with your views, whereas Jim
dives in anyway, but I'm not saying he's wrong, he may be right. Well, and one thing about India's
response, you notice how they gave out hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin
during the pandemic, as well as they gave packets of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin,
and that was very important because friends of ours were connected with the health minister,
and so we told them early on, and India actually supplied hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine to
many countries, shipped it out, and that's how we found out the hydroxychloroquine may be the
treatment, because we saw that China had bought up a whole stockload of it, and so anyway, so there
are lots of little clues that point to intelligence for knowledge of this, and I encourage people to
look at what MERS, MERS, might hold, and how that nitrizoxinide that we've been talking about
and might help stop the early replication of MERS, Ebola, and many other viruses, the only broad
spectrum antiviral listed in Wikipedia, nitrizoxinide, so keep that in mind everybody.
And I seem to remember Jim that France was buying up some drug, was it hydroxychloroquine?
Yes, that was Didier Raoult, a researcher in France, and he actually, he was very famous because
he put together the treatment for a problem called Q fever, query fever,
and it had similar symptoms to COVID, and it was treated with hydroxychloroquine and doxycycline,
and many of these, if you were, my view is if you're an intelligence guy and you're going to
try to harm some people, you may want to make sure that your guys have the antidote
and are allowed to take it, and so that's why we have to kind of prepare ourselves for the next
thing and make sure that we can know the antidotes have taken in small amounts early
that might benefit us as we go through the next phase of this, what seems to be a take down of
the world. Yes, very good, thank you Jim. Thank you. Yep, thank you. So Cordelia, who's a
British medical doctor and she's a pathologist.
Hi, Cordelia. Hi, just trying to see myself,
but it doesn't matter anyway. I was a bit late for this because my wi-fi is not working or
intermittently, so I don't know whether Montgomery consent was mentioned.
I don't think it was tonight, you mean Cordelia? Pardon? I don't think it was tonight, I'm not sure,
was it, Molina? Because there's been this case in the past with Montgomery versus Lanarkshire and
the outcome of that was that consent has to spell out all side effects and rare side effects,
and you can't just expect the patient to do their own research. So it's all there.
So all this vaccinating by addresses clearly is against the Montgomery-Lanarkshire ruling.
So every single one of them is a legal act. Does that make sense?
Cordelia, you're breaking up a little bit. I'm wrong. The child was disabled because the child
was oxygen-starved and she said in court, well, had I known that a small pelvis is a risk factor,
I would have gone for a caesarean section. So she was not explained that and the ruling was clearly
that the surgeon or the obstetrician should have explained all the side effects. So you cannot just
give a patient a consent form that says for side effects go to the MRHA website. That's against
the Montgomery ruling. So in Britain, all of these vaccinations without consent are illegal.
So anybody going to court can quote the Montgomery versus Lanarkshire ruling.
And the second one is why can this drug be given without a prescription?
Because normally, normally vaccinations, they have to have a prescription, don't they?
So I don't know whether anybody in the group who can explain that to me,
why these were given out like smarties without prescription.
Can you, Marlene?
No.
So I know a little bit about that, Cordelia. So recently, I think last week, it came out that the
European Court of Justice found that doctors were responsible for what happened regarding these
injections and only doctors were responsible because they had the ability, they had to be,
they had to be, just as you say, they had to be prescription. And so, and that meant that the
doctors were uniquely responsible. It didn't matter what anybody else in society said,
the doctor in the end had to put his signature on a prescription, his or her signature on a
prescription. And that clearly is very important because it could have enormous repercussions,
of course, but I don't know the European Court of Justice. It depends, you know,
what people think of that court. Did you know about that, Cordelia?
I did, but does that include the UK after Brexit?
Yes, any country in the world, I think.
You said the European Court of Justice.
So for EU, obviously, if you mean, yes, okay. Yes. But obviously, you know,
I think that if you were running a case in the UK, you'd be able to cite that ruling.
I'm not sure, I'm not a lawyer, but Charles is, but he's not, he's on the...
Yeah. So these hairdressers, did they actually, could they bypass the whole prescription procedure?
How did they, how were they able to access these drugs?
Honestly, I don't know, and neither do I know anybody who does know. So it's just unbelievable.
Nobody seems to know what's in the in the so-called injections.
Stephen, I know exactly because it's my hairdresser, right? So my hairdresser,
all she did was pick up the injection, which had been laid by, filled up, you know, by a nurse.
And the person had had a very brief conversation with the medical staff,
and then she jabbed the person. That's all she did. So she never had a conversation with the
person. She just stuck the needle in. She didn't aspirate. She didn't get talked about aspiration
or anything like that. She just put the needle in and that was it. Okay. So what was your question?
What was your specific question just before Mark started to talk Cordelia? Well, the specific
question was, where are the prescriptions? Because normally it's a prescription only thing, isn't it?
Well, yes, but Mark hasn't answered your question then. Wait, so Mark, do you know where the
prescriptions are? Or were? No, no, Stephen, Cordelia asked two questions. She asked, how did the
hairdresser get permission? So how did the hairdresser get permission?
Somebody must have authorized her to do this job. Well, she clearly didn't have permission, did she?
Because the doctors didn't know what was in the injections. Anywhere in the world did they know
that. And I still haven't met anybody who actually knows for certain, as far as I'm concerned,
what is in these injections. There are lots of people who talk about the mRNA and the spike
protein and the lipid nanoprotein nanoparticle and, but I'm not satisfied that
they're working from first principles, if you understand me. And I've challenged people about
this and I still haven't been provided with the evidence. So that tells me, Cordelia, that it was
never possible to obtain informed consent because the doctors themselves didn't know.
Because the hairdresser must have had a document saying you are now authorized to do this
and somebody must have signed a letter. So it would be very interesting to see.
No, Cordelia, you might need such a letter, but the hairdresser wouldn't know to even ask for it.
Yes, she would just say, you know, she'd do a job and she'd just jab the person.
Wouldn't get back in thought.
Stephen, I can ask my hairdresser if she has such a document and if she does,
I'll get a copy of it. That will be interesting.
Well, yeah. Well, she might be disinclined to kind of incriminate herself, I suppose.
Oh, I suppose if she had a document, then that would take her off the hook. But anyway,
yes, interesting questions, Cordelia. Yeah, thank you.
Yes. Did you ever find out, Cordelia, why post mortems weren't
being done in 2020, just when they should have been done?
Well, they were done. They were done. But.
Well, not many.
But I think the problem is, pathologists not being provided with vaccination history.
Well, yes, that's another problem.
But I think you told us that you were doing one or two post mortems a week as a pathologist.
I'm not sure about that. Before 2020, when 2020 came around, you were also saying that
they were being done. But when I asked you specifically, you said, oh, I did about six
in 2020, I think you said.
Excuse me for being rude. But I know Dr. Sharma said that she has to leave. I wonder if we can.
I'm sorry.
Yeah, thank you.
I didn't know.
Thank you, Stephen. Sorry. Yeah, thank you. If it's OK, I'd like to take a leave now.
All right.
We've got a full day tomorrow. Is that OK?
Yes, that's absolutely fine.
Thank you so much, Charles, Stephen and everybody on the talk for just giving me the option to share
my insights and observations. Thank you. Bye.
Maureen, did you write in the chat then? I didn't see the chat.
Yeah, no worries. No worries. Don't worry, Stephen. That's fine.
I didn't. Thank you.
Thank you. Thank you for speaking to us.
Bye bye bye.
Bye bye.