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that report that's fantastic.

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Sorry for the long.

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Stephen, welcome to Stephen Frost's group.

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Stephen is here.

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Mickalai Rezak, welcome.

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Stephen, please welcome Mickalai and Theresa,

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are you through your good offices

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that we've got Mickalai here with us today?

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I understand, but Stephen first say hello,

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then I'll go through some logistics

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and we'll hear from Mickalai first.

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Stephen.

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Hi Mickalai.

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I was trying to work out how to pronounce

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your second name, is it Rasek?

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I'll go for that, that's good enough.

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I usually introduce myself as Dr. Razek.

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It's actual not the correct pronunciation of my name,

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but this is the easiest way to go with for Canadians.

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How should it be pronounced then?

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Rasek, the S-Z is like an S-H in English.

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So it wasn't too far away.

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No, no, I actually enjoyed it.

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And the first one with a J at the end,

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is it Mickalai?

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Yeah, you got it, you got it.

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It's the Polish way of spelling Nicholas.

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Yes, okay.

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Also not my pronunciation of my name,

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but again, that's how I introduced myself my whole life

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because that's what here people in Canada can handle.

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The actual pronunciation is Mikołaj

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and that seems to be quite difficult.

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So I just go with Mickalai.

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But Mickalai, it is M like-

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Yeah, like Michael, that's right.

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Yes, that's right.

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Yes, because when you say-

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Poland might be the only country in the world

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that spells Nicholas with an M.

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Oh, no, no, Hungary does the same.

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Ah, oh, I didn't know that.

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Look at that, okay.

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Which country is that, Mickalai?

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Poland.

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Ah, yes, of course, yeah.

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They like consonants in Poland, don't they?

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They've got extremely difficult grammar.

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Yes, we do.

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It's actually one of the most difficult languages

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in the world to learn because depending on a context,

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you constantly have to change the end of

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all of the words in a sentence.

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So it's not like in English where you learn the word,

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it's one word, in Polish it would be that same word

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times 17 or something like that, it's ridiculous.

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Yeah, so it's a way of separating the intellectuals from-

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Is it, I don't know.

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I don't know, the joke is Poland was occupied

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throughout history so often, maybe this is our way to,

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you know, minimize spies.

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We don't know why, just ridiculously difficult.

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Unless you're born into this language,

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it's very challenging to learn a brand new.

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Mickalai, have you seen that incredible video

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of one of the truckers in Canada saying,

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we're not even angry yet?

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And then a Polish guy, Polish trucker comes on

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and he can remember the Gdansk shipyard riots, you know?

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And he said, so he explained what angry was.

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So I was, someone was mentioning kid

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when they met Terry Fox, right on, what a cool story.

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I was a child in Poland when solidarity movement started.

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That was the movement, it started in Gdańsk,

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which is the port city of Poland.

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the communist regime in Poland.

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And I actually did go to the support demonstration

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in Edmonton, it was a lot of fun.

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So I will echo what that one gentleman was mentioning.

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It was basically giant street party.

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I haven't seen this many happy people together in,

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well, since start of pandemic.

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And what was interesting, it was actually to see

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a lot of solidarity signs.

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So same as what we used in Poland,

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but in English with the Canadian flag.

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So I thought that was such an interesting parallel

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to be witnessing that again, all over again in my life,

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but now as an adult, as a kid, it didn't matter.

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Like none of that mattered to me when I was a kid.

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I was just, I wanted to play outside.

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That's all that mattered to me, right?

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Yeah, but we should actually copy their tactics.

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And I did think of it at one stage

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and then I forgot about it.

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Because one of our best friends is Polish.

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And she actually, she wasn't a political refugee,

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but her father was because he was one of the leaders

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of the Solidarity Movement.

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And so he was one of Lech Valencia's right-hand men.

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she later told my wife that she cried for a whole year

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when she arrived in Sweden.

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they left for Sweden from Poland for political crimes.

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He was in prison for political crimes.

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four children.

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And she told my wife that she cried for a whole year

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because she had to leave all her friends behind in Poland

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and nobody understood her in Sweden

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because she didn't speak English

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and they didn't understand Polish.

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But she trained as a doctor.

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And strangely, she married my best friend

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who's an Iranian refugee, political refugee.

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at Karolinska Institute in Stockholm.

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My parents immigrated to escape communist regime as well.

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And I came to Canada without a single word of English.

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because all your memories that would have been re-triggered

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that's all gone.

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it was literally like coming out of amnesia

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where suddenly there was a flood of memories

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that I didn't realize I still had in the back of my head.

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it's much better looking.

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because all the money was siphoned away.

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Everyone was living in poverty or almost everyone.

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And yeah, totalitarian regimes, I'm not fond of.

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So I am also proud of what the trackers are doing.

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And the reason why is because in this context,

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what they're truly fighting is whether people understand

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this or not, and clearly media does not understand it,

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is not to allow an accidental overreach of powers

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because when that happens,

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there can be a damage to society.

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My family lived through it.

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Exactly. It took 70 years to get out of it.

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Incredible.

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All right, David.

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Let's get Teresa who organized Mikolai.

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Teresa, well done for introducing Mikolai

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and how you know him, please,

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before I give you a few logistics.

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Well, as you know, I've been researching the spike protein

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about as much as I can.

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And Mikolai's excellent presentations on YouTube

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have really helped me get to grips with it.

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I'm not medically trained.

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I've got a physics degree,

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but he makes it simple just even for me to understand.

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And I'm amazed with what he's saying

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that he's still on YouTube.

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Mikolai, you're smarter than YouTube.

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He's been trained in Poland.

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You had to fight communism in Poland too.

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You had to be clever.

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Yes, exactly.

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You have to know how to bypass censorship.

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So thank you for organizing that, everybody.

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So I'm your moderator.

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So here's the big picture.

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Mikolai, for you as our guest speaker today,

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Stephen, well done for organizing this group.

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We meet twice a week.

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Mikolai, so you're most welcome to join any time.

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We'll go for two hours.

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So we have a structured meeting for two hours

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if because of huge question.

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So you speak for 30 minutes, 40 minutes, thereabouts,

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and then we'll moderate questions of you and discussions.

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And then we have other discussions

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and you're welcome to stay or go if you want to go.

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And then at the two hour mark, it becomes,

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it's like we have a formal church service

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and then we go to the pub, then we go to the bar, okay?

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And then it becomes free for all.

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That's the type of structure.

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So the people who are in the UK

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can go to sleep at a reasonable hour

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and that they know that structure.

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And then the other creative conversation

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comes from other places.

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Secondly, the questions I moderate

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and today we're gonna do slightly different.

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We really wanna hear from people

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who don't normally ask questions.

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So don't be shy.

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And I'm going to, Gary Finkelstein,

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love to see your hand there.

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He's got his hand up there already,

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but then he'll ask a question at the end.

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But I'm gonna give preference to people

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who don't normally ask questions.

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And we've got some interesting people on this call

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that you'll enjoy speaking to.

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And thirdly, as I said, my parents like yours,

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like yours, Nikolai were from Hungary.

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They were refugees from communism

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who arrived in Australia in 1949.

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Nicholas is Miklós with an M.

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So it's the same structure as the Polish complexity.

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Anyway, Nikolai Ruszek, welcome and over to you

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for half an hour, 40 minutes, 45.

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Would you like to share your screen?

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Well, ladies and gentlemen,

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I don't have that presentation ready

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because I have no information as to

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what is supposed to be structured here.

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I literally find out, I knew this is coming

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and then I found out and nothing more.

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And then I got like three minutes prior.

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Well, don't worry, Nikolai.

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If you run out, have you got anything to say at the moment?

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Because if you run out, we can organize questions.

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We're good at questions.

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Oh yeah, we can, depends.

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Well, first let me know what is of interest to you

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in terms of what content is of most interest to you.

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My actual background and my specialty

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is medical DNA testing.

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However, I also work for a company,

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startup company based in Edmonton, Alberta,

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where we're developing ultra rapid COVID-19 test,

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a test that can test you within literally seconds.

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And so that's also my background

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where I read a lot on COVID.

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Also, is this being recorded by the way?

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It is, yes, but it won't get published

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without your permission.

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So if I provide personal information

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that I would not want to be shared,

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do you want me to provide that information

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or easier if I don't, for sake of simplicity?

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Sorry, oh, I see about your firm, you mean.

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My personal genetic information,

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which normally should not be shared publicly,

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but I can share with you

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if it's not going to be shared publicly.

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Your personal genetic information.

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You mean your genetic code.

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My genetic history of my, so I'll skip that.

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It won't be shared publicly.

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Okay, so my background also,

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why my heavy interest in this pandemic

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and researching it to quite an extent

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is because obviously by being a proponent

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of using medical DNA tests

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so you can learn your predispositions,

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obviously I decoded my own DNA

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and I found out I have a genetic condition

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that predisposes me to dying from pneumonia of all things.

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I immediately started paying close attention

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because, well, I didn't know if I'm gonna survive or not.

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And like, I'm not afraid of dying, it is what it is,

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but what are the precautions?

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So the first month of the pandemic,

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I probably did not leave the room

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or my apartment, I should say.

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and like the information coming out from China

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just looked horrible.

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I remember when I first finally came out,

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I came out at midnight where streets were empty

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and it was so eerie and just so I can walk the streets

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and not feel so weird.

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But I started studying the information

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right from the beginning.

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And clearly I was also very much interested

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in the vaccine as well.

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So I am completely pro-vaccine person.

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So just, I don't wanna be triggering everyone.

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However, I am completely against mandates.

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when it came to related to vaccines,

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nothing was adding up.

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And it created a sense of confusion in me

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because I have spent number of years preparing myself

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in order to launch my own business

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about medical DNA testing.

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And I took many years to prepare

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in order to be able to actually deal with doctors.

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What does it mean to be able to sell medical device?

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What does it mean to deal with patients as clients

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and so on?

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And I learned a lot of background of what it means

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to be able to deliver medical tests to a person.

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And my entire business is actually built

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around the idea of client informed consent.

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So when vaccines came out,

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everything seemed weird right away.

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And my first red flag was the fact that

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we adopted technology that has never been used before

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based on extremely scant amount of scientific information.

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And my background from medical genetics,

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and just to fill you in, I have a degree in genetics.

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And my undergrad degree is in genetics

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and I have a doctorate degree in biochemistry.

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So I'm not a medical doctor.

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It just happened that I've been studying

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medical published scientific information

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my whole scientific career,

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because everything you publish in terms of research

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is almost always related to medicine one way or another.

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And I was confused thinking like,

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have I educated myself wrong?

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This is not how we accumulate information

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in order to approve any type of genetic test,

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any type of information in order to be considered valid

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in medical DNA testing.

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It takes so much effort and repeat studies

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before in medicine genetic testing is accepted.

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And it's still only trickling in.

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It's still not a standard, not a common standard at all,

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which is why I bring it privately to patients in Canada.

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And I was simply confused about that,

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but I decided to, hey, listen, let's trust the authorities.

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I'm just like a second rate scientist.

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Obviously these people know better,

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but I was shocked because ultimately vaccines were approved

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based on results of a few hundred people, that's it.

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And from results of a few hundred people, selected people,

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we then expanded to vaccinating millions,

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well, by now billions truly,

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without any deep molecular understanding

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of how these vaccines work.

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And that's my personal interest.

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Because my background in genetics and biochemistry,

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molecular biology is what truly fascinates me.

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And yes, we established that these vaccines are safe

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from the appearance of clinical symptoms

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within very, very short time.

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And that same mantra that has been established

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in the first two months of clinical trials

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is now being repeated to this day.

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Without actually establishing safety of these vaccines

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for any longer duration than that.

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I believe the last data that I might have seen published

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in the scientific literature

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may be extended up to six months.

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And that's it, we still don't have a system

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in being able to track what are the potential issues

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related to vaccination.

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The information is still slowly trickling out

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as to what happens inside your body

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once you get vaccinated.

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I find it shocking that, and I'll pause right away,

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I find it shocking that to this day,

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we still don't know actually how much of the mRNA template

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is used on average, meaning expressed,

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used to produce the protein product.

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We still don't know how long it lasts

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in human body post-injection.

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We still don't know where it is being distributed.

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That's, I don't know, maybe I'm missing some information.

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You have to understand COVID-19 is the most studied disease

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probably in history.

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We, in the last year long,

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there's more than 100,000 publications published

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on the topic.

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Clearly I have read,

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I've only read that tiny, tiny fraction of that, right?

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But that's, as far as I understand,

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no one knows this information.

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We still don't know how long the spike protein lasts

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post-vaccination.

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There's now some hints, but that I've covered in my videos,

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but a lot of that information is not being controlled.

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So I see there's some hands up being raised.

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So why don't I pause there and let's address

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on those individuals in case those are questions.

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Can I say, Charles, there is a Sam Seidy in Australia.

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Steven, hang on.

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I've spoken to Sam via chat.

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So that's good.

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I think that Sam would be the first questioner,

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but before he does,

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Theresa said that your knowledge around spike protein,

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Mikolai, would you cover that broadly?

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Give us a feel for that before we go to Sam

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as the first questioner.

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Okay, so the spike protein,

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there's a lot of confusion on this.

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So first of all, please appreciate that my primary focus

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of interest in studies are the mRNA vaccines.

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Because I'm actually fascinated with this technology.

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And because of my field,

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which is dealing with genetic disorders,

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I'm obviously hoping that this technology,

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once we perfect it, and we're nowhere near that,

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once we perfect it, we will be able to use this technology

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to treat some of the human diseases, genetic diseases.

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And that hands my interest.

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And actually also why I'm somewhat biased

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to try to learn problems with this technology.

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And it's not because I'm against the technology,

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it's because I'm for the technology

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and I want to know what doesn't work

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so we can understand better

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how we should fix those problems.

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So then it's mRNA, of course, super brief background.

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Think of DNA.

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DNA is inside your cells.

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Think of it as a repository of information.

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It's a program code that evolved you from a single cell

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to the multicellular organism that you are today.

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And it's also a program code that runs you every day.

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So us having this conversation

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is dependent on that code as well, right?

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But that's just repository of information.

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It's housed inside the nucleus.

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So think of nucleus as your filing cabinet.

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In order to use this information,

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you need to pull out files out of filing cabinet,

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meaning we copied tiny fragments of that DNA

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into what is called messenger RNA.

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And done, messenger RNA is then taken out of the nucleus

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and that is finally what is used as a template

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to produce the product of interest, which are proteins.

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And then think of proteins as tiny molecular robots.

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And that's exactly what they are.

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They are little robots

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that do all of the work inside your cells.

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So then, vaccinal mRNA tricks our cells into thinking,

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oh, hey, this is just another mRNA that came out of nucleus.

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Of course, there's some trickery going on there

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to make sure that we can fool the cell.

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And as a consequence, once the vaccine vehicle enters the cell

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and there's a very clever designs behind it

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so that it can fuse with the cell and deliver that messenger,

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then the cell will take that information

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and produce the spike protein, the little molecular robot.

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Now let's talk about the spike, the protein.

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So mRNA is just a template to produce the protein.

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And the protein for the mRNA vaccines are identical

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to what would be found inside a virus

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with exception of presence of two mutations.

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And two amino acid residues are mutated.

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Amino acids are the building blocks of the protein.

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So think of like Lego building blocks,

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except they're all interconnected in a single long chain

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and a long chain is then folded, folded, folded, folded,

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and you get a three-dimensional entity.

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And then two of these amino acids

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somewhere within that protein were mutated.

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And what that does is it affects

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what the spike protein could do later on in its life cycle.

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So normal spike protein,

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you probably are aware of what its shape,

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it looks like a, I always call it,

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it looks like a Hercules club, right?

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It has that bigger head and then there's a stalk below.

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Now, eventually that head is used to interact

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with the human receptors in order to initiate the contact

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between the virus and the cell.

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That head will be ripped off eventually.

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It will literally come off.

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And below that head,

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and this is what a lot of people don't know,

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are arms, they're folded.

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They're literally like arms.

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And these arms unfold, they will unfold, go up,

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and these arms will latch onto the cell and grab the cell.

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Literally they fuse with the membrane of the cell,

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which is like the skin of the cell, if you will.

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And because they fused with it and latched onto it,

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those same arms then go back down.

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And as they start going down,

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they literally bring the cell closer

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and closer and closer to the virus.

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And eventually the membrane of the virus

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fuses with the membrane of the cell.

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And that's how a virus delivers its genetic material

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inside the cell.

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Now, these arms cannot fold up like this

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in the vaccinal spike protein

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because of these two mutations that have been introduced.

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So that's the, and that is the only difference.

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Meaning if you produce the spike protein,

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that spike protein would not, from vaccine,

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that spike protein from vaccine,

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once the head is ripped off, those arms will not unfold

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and that spike protein will not be able to latch on

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to any adjacent cell.

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However, everything prior to that, it looks identical

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and therefore it could mimic in every way

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what happens with the actual viral protein.

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There could be differences, but we don't know

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because no one is looking at this as far as I know.

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No one is studying this.

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So what could be the differences

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when you produce a protein inside your cell,

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once the protein is made,

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it's also decorated on top with sugar molecules,

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with specific type of sugar molecules.

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So sugar is a very wide family of chemicals.

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The ones we put into our coffee is just one glucose,

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it's just one type.

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And we decorate these proteins with sugar molecules.

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That could be one potential difference

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between the vaccinal protein

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versus natural post-infection viral protein

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is maybe how the sugar molecules are attached.

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But again, we don't really know,

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it's not really studied in detail.

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That could actually differentiate them

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in how they behave afterwards

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and how one is pathogenic versus the other

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because there is now of course emerging evidence

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that spike protein in itself is a toxic material.

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So that's the background on spike protein.

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Is that sufficient enough?

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Excellent, thank you, Mikolai.

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So remember everybody, I'm giving priority today

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following conversation with Steven

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to people who don't normally ask questions.

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And remember in any group that you are in,

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that people, it can be somewhat scary asking questions.

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And so we wanna encourage everybody

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who's not usually asking questions

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to ask questions as well.

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So Sam, tell us about you with your interesting background

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and then I suggest ask your questions

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rather than send them through in writing to Mikolai.

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Welcome.

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Hi, can you hear me okay?

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Yep.

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Good, I'm 10,000 miles away.

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Okay, I'm a surgeon, but my background,

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my previous background was in genomics.

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I was at the, I was at Cambridge,

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which is linked to the Sanger Center

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doing genomic research into endometrial cancer

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and that's how I got interested in the COVID thing

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because as soon as they said mRNA, I went,

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hold on a second, that's tricky stuff.

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You've gotta know about mRNA and a lot of people don't.

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And David Wiseman, I don't know if anybody saw this,

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but David Wiseman highlighted this nicely

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in the Senator Ron Johnson hearing the other day

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when he held up a piece of paper and said,

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how many of you people here know

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about untranslated regions?

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And a few people put their hands up,

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but you've got a whole group of highly qualified doctors

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in that room and they don't know

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about untranslated regions.

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So that's where we are.

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And we're battling a technology that has great promise

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in terms of cancer therapy.

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And I don't have any doubts about that,

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but in terms of managing infections,

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possibly less promise.

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So I did have some specific questions

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that we haven't really looked at

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and we are discussing offline in small groups.

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And I thought it might be useful to bring them up to Miko

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to have a chat.

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Now, I did enjoy your video of you walking through,

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talking about the spike protein in the nucleus.

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And I think the reason we're here,

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I think the reason Miko's here is because

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the paper that he was talking about

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showed that it was the spike protein itself,

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not the mRNA or anything else,

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but the spike protein itself,

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which can get into the nucleus of the cell

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and interfere with P53 and BRCA pathways.

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Now, as an oncologist, that's a real problem.

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We spend our lives fighting

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with P53 and BRCA interference

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because P53 and BRCA interference

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causes ovarian and breast cancer.

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So if you interfere with those pathways,

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you've got a bit of a problem, not a problem now,

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it's a problem in 20 years time.

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So we don't know how much.

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And the same can be said for COVID virus,

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spike protein as a manufactured spike protein.

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So it doesn't matter how the spike protein is made,

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it appears to get into the nucleus.

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And one of the things that came up

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was am I able to share screens on this

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or is that not possible, do we know?

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Yes, you can, I'll give that to you, Sam, hang on.

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Yes, you can.

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So, let's see if this works.

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So there was a document that came out

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and I don't think they realized

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that this document was coming out, this one.

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It's called the Non-Clinical Evaluation Report

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for the Comianati, which is an interesting name,

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it will come to soon.

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And,

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0:29:57 --> 0:29:59
Nico, I don't know if you saw this,

612
0:29:59 --> 0:30:02
but this was, after your presentation,

613
0:30:02 --> 0:30:03
I looked at this and I thought,

614
0:30:03 --> 0:30:06
oh, well, this is potentially a problem

615
0:30:06 --> 0:30:09
because the paper that you referenced

616
0:30:09 --> 0:30:12
was spike protein in immune cells

617
0:30:12 --> 0:30:14
getting into the, interfering with the P53

618
0:30:14 --> 0:30:16
and BRCA pathway.

619
0:30:16 --> 0:30:18
And what we have here in this picture, can you see this?

620
0:30:19 --> 0:30:20
Yeah, good.

621
0:30:20 --> 0:30:22
So what we have here in this picture is a hearth stain

622
0:30:22 --> 0:30:24
which shows nuclei, the blue things.

623
0:30:24 --> 0:30:26
The blue things are nuclei.

624
0:30:26 --> 0:30:28
The red things are the endoplasmic reticulum,

625
0:30:28 --> 0:30:31
which is where the spike protein is manufactured.

626
0:30:31 --> 0:30:34
And this green, let me put the annotation on,

627
0:30:34 --> 0:30:38
the green is where the spike protein

628
0:30:38 --> 0:30:41
is being discovered in the cell itself.

629
0:30:43 --> 0:30:45
So you can see, there's the nucleus there.

630
0:30:45 --> 0:30:48
The spike protein is being produced here

631
0:30:48 --> 0:30:51
and then ejected mostly this way.

632
0:30:51 --> 0:30:53
But what they didn't realize when they published this picture

633
0:30:53 --> 0:30:55
is that the spike protein is also here,

634
0:30:57 --> 0:30:58
which is in the nucleus.

635
0:30:58 --> 0:31:01
And that's not a great surprise.

636
0:31:01 --> 0:31:01
One way or another,

637
0:31:01 --> 0:31:04
the spike protein is being produced in that area

638
0:31:04 --> 0:31:07
and then is by whatever mechanism can also happen

639
0:31:07 --> 0:31:11
with the viruses can get into the nucleus.

640
0:31:11 --> 0:31:12
So one way or another,

641
0:31:12 --> 0:31:16
that spike protein is going to hit the nucleus

642
0:31:16 --> 0:31:18
if it's produced next to it.

643
0:31:18 --> 0:31:21
So my first question to Mika was,

644
0:31:21 --> 0:31:22
what do you think about this?

645
0:31:24 --> 0:31:27
Wow, if you can share that information,

646
0:31:27 --> 0:31:28
that link, I would love,

647
0:31:28 --> 0:31:32
this is actually the first confirmation that I see.

648
0:31:32 --> 0:31:33
It's actually a public link,

649
0:31:34 --> 0:31:36
but I'll put it in the chat now.

650
0:31:36 --> 0:31:38
I would absolutely love it.

651
0:31:38 --> 0:31:40
It's the first time I see a confirmation

652
0:31:40 --> 0:31:44
of that sweeter study, which of course was also denied

653
0:31:44 --> 0:31:47
as controversial because indeed

654
0:31:47 --> 0:31:48
there are other studies published

655
0:31:48 --> 0:31:53
that were not able to show spike protein presence

656
0:31:53 --> 0:31:55
inside the nucleus.

657
0:31:55 --> 0:31:57
So this is the first time I see a confirmation

658
0:31:57 --> 0:31:58
and it's different.

659
0:31:58 --> 0:32:02
This one is Vaxel spike protein.

660
0:32:02 --> 0:32:03
So that's also would be the first of its kind

661
0:32:03 --> 0:32:07
that I'm seeing, which is indeed problematic.

662
0:32:07 --> 0:32:11
And I personally hate it.

663
0:32:11 --> 0:32:13
I wish this wasn't happening at all.

664
0:32:14 --> 0:32:19
Now, if spike protein indeed is getting inside the nuclei

665
0:32:19 --> 0:32:23
and interfering with fixing damage DNA,

666
0:32:24 --> 0:32:29
then one hopes that what this will do is

667
0:32:30 --> 0:32:34
well, it will lead to so much genetic damage in such cells

668
0:32:34 --> 0:32:38
that it will actually lead to committing the cellular path

669
0:32:38 --> 0:32:39
towards suicide.

670
0:32:39 --> 0:32:41
So apoptosis.

671
0:32:41 --> 0:32:42
So then-

672
0:32:42 --> 0:32:43
It's totally fine.

673
0:32:44 --> 0:32:48
But if it's not, then that's deeply problematic

674
0:32:48 --> 0:32:53
because if those cells can then subsequently divide,

675
0:32:53 --> 0:32:55
we will be passing on genetic mutations

676
0:32:55 --> 0:32:58
to the next generation cells,

677
0:32:58 --> 0:33:01
which clearly can promote cancer development.

678
0:33:03 --> 0:33:06
Not, I will grab the link while I have it,

679
0:33:06 --> 0:33:10
but not news that we want to be seeing at all.

680
0:33:11 --> 0:33:13
So that paper from Jang,

681
0:33:13 --> 0:33:15
which was the one that you talked about

682
0:33:15 --> 0:33:18
showing the effect of the spike protein

683
0:33:18 --> 0:33:21
on P53 in immune cells,

684
0:33:21 --> 0:33:25
that one has now got a warning on it

685
0:33:25 --> 0:33:29
sort of being sort of expression of concern.

686
0:33:29 --> 0:33:30
But the interesting thing about that

687
0:33:30 --> 0:33:32
is the person who wrote the expression of concern

688
0:33:32 --> 0:33:34
has nothing to do with that group at all.

689
0:33:34 --> 0:33:35
That's right.

690
0:33:35 --> 0:33:38
The warning is about something completely unrelated

691
0:33:38 --> 0:33:39
to the content of the video.

692
0:33:39 --> 0:33:42
It's ridiculous, but that's how it works.

693
0:33:42 --> 0:33:43
Censorship works, right?

694
0:33:43 --> 0:33:44
That way.

695
0:33:44 --> 0:33:46
It doesn't have to be relevant.

696
0:33:46 --> 0:33:47
No, great.

697
0:33:47 --> 0:33:50
Well, maybe we'll talk offline.

698
0:33:50 --> 0:33:52
We do need to get some-

699
0:33:52 --> 0:33:53
But I can-

700
0:33:53 --> 0:33:55
Looking at that information and saying,

701
0:33:55 --> 0:33:57
well, is this a real problem

702
0:33:57 --> 0:34:01
or is it not a real problem from an oncology perspective?

703
0:34:01 --> 0:34:05
Well, you're confirming that it is a potential problem

704
0:34:05 --> 0:34:07
because however, the problem will,

705
0:34:07 --> 0:34:09
you as yourself will know,

706
0:34:09 --> 0:34:11
the problem is not gonna show up

707
0:34:11 --> 0:34:13
till five years or longer from now.

708
0:34:15 --> 0:34:19
Clinical symptoms from cancers take years to show up

709
0:34:19 --> 0:34:20
because-

710
0:34:20 --> 0:34:24
Well, even that genomic mechanism takes 10, 20, 30, 40 years.

711
0:34:24 --> 0:34:28
So we know that from our BRCA patients.

712
0:34:28 --> 0:34:30
It is an issue.

713
0:34:30 --> 0:34:33
I also am currently reviewing

714
0:34:33 --> 0:34:35
a paper that was brought to my attention

715
0:34:35 --> 0:34:39
that suggests another mechanism of action

716
0:34:39 --> 0:34:44
of how vaccines could be promoting cancer development.

717
0:34:44 --> 0:34:46
So I haven't finished reading it,

718
0:34:46 --> 0:34:48
but I'm quite into it.

719
0:34:48 --> 0:34:51
And it talks about use of exosomes

720
0:34:51 --> 0:34:56
and how cells release exosomes with post-vaccination

721
0:34:57 --> 0:34:59
with specific microRNA.

722
0:34:59 --> 0:35:00
So I'm not sure if you're familiar with that.

723
0:35:00 --> 0:35:02
If you are, then I'm not sure.

724
0:35:02 --> 0:35:05
If you are, then I'll just mention that.

725
0:35:05 --> 0:35:06
And that might be-

726
0:35:06 --> 0:35:08
That was the next question.

727
0:35:08 --> 0:35:09
That was the next question,

728
0:35:09 --> 0:35:11
which I've just put the link to in here.

729
0:35:11 --> 0:35:15
So the next link I've just posted is this one,

730
0:35:15 --> 0:35:19
which I'll show again, the share screen.

731
0:35:21 --> 0:35:26
And this is a really interesting sort of subject here.

732
0:35:26 --> 0:35:28
Just give me a second.

733
0:35:28 --> 0:35:29
Try again.

734
0:35:34 --> 0:35:35
So this is the paper,

735
0:35:35 --> 0:35:38
Quantum MicroRNA Assessment of COVID-19 Vaccine,

736
0:35:38 --> 0:35:43
Hidden Potency of BNT162V2 SARS-CoV-2 Spike RNA

737
0:35:44 --> 0:35:46
as MicroRNA Vaccine.

738
0:35:48 --> 0:35:49
Now-

739
0:35:49 --> 0:35:52
Huh, you are a wealth of information from me, sir.

740
0:35:52 --> 0:35:54
That's incredible.

741
0:35:54 --> 0:35:55
A lot of people don't know.

742
0:35:56 --> 0:35:58
And it is a bit weird for me

743
0:35:58 --> 0:36:01
because the name of this, the Pfizer one,

744
0:36:01 --> 0:36:04
is, I don't know if people realize it,

745
0:36:04 --> 0:36:08
it's not spelled with an mRNA.

746
0:36:08 --> 0:36:13
It's spelled Co-mRNA-T, which is Co-M-I-RNA.

747
0:36:14 --> 0:36:17
Right, M-I-RNA, yeah.

748
0:36:17 --> 0:36:20
Yeah, so it's always been a bit odd to me.

749
0:36:20 --> 0:36:21
Where did they get these names from?

750
0:36:21 --> 0:36:23
And I think they've got an army of people

751
0:36:23 --> 0:36:25
who can come up with names, but-

752
0:36:26 --> 0:36:27
If I can-

753
0:36:27 --> 0:36:28
Oscar.

754
0:36:28 --> 0:36:29
Oscar, yeah.

755
0:36:29 --> 0:36:33
I just wanted to let people know what microRNAs are.

756
0:36:33 --> 0:36:34
Maybe if that's the case, super briefly.

757
0:36:34 --> 0:36:39
So there are many types of RNAs that are being produced.

758
0:36:39 --> 0:36:41
So RNAs is, remember, RNA is something

759
0:36:41 --> 0:36:44
that is copied from your DNA.

760
0:36:44 --> 0:36:47
Now messenger RNA is just a template to produce proteins,

761
0:36:47 --> 0:36:49
but there are many other types of RNAs

762
0:36:49 --> 0:36:50
that are being produced.

763
0:36:50 --> 0:36:54
And microRNAs, think of them

764
0:36:54 --> 0:36:58
as tiny little chemicals that can modulate

765
0:36:58 --> 0:37:01
how other things are used inside your cell.

766
0:37:01 --> 0:37:04
And that's basically how a cell can respond

767
0:37:04 --> 0:37:07
to the outside environment very rapidly.

768
0:37:07 --> 0:37:10
Just like epigenetics is an environmental response,

769
0:37:10 --> 0:37:12
so is microRNAs.

770
0:37:12 --> 0:37:15
So these are tiny little fragments of RNA,

771
0:37:15 --> 0:37:20
and they can impact how the messenger RNAs are being used.

772
0:37:20 --> 0:37:23
So they can impact to what degree you use a template.

773
0:37:24 --> 0:37:27
So you can sometimes decrease the use of template

774
0:37:28 --> 0:37:30
if you want to as a response to the environment.

775
0:37:30 --> 0:37:33
So the template is introduced inside the cell,

776
0:37:33 --> 0:37:37
but then microRNAs can go in there and start affecting.

777
0:37:37 --> 0:37:39
And they have many functions,

778
0:37:39 --> 0:37:42
and RNAs have themselves many, many different functions.

779
0:37:42 --> 0:37:44
So that's just like one little background.

780
0:37:44 --> 0:37:47
Think of it as a cell's personal,

781
0:37:47 --> 0:37:51
one of cell's many personal languages that cell uses

782
0:37:51 --> 0:37:54
in order to determine what do I do as a cell

783
0:37:54 --> 0:37:56
in order to survive in this environment.

784
0:37:56 --> 0:37:58
Yeah, great summary.

785
0:37:58 --> 0:38:01
And then microRNAs are not something

786
0:38:01 --> 0:38:03
that we know huge amounts about,

787
0:38:03 --> 0:38:05
because they've only been around.

788
0:38:05 --> 0:38:06
That's right.

789
0:38:06 --> 0:38:07
The knowledge about these things

790
0:38:07 --> 0:38:11
has only been around for maybe 15 years or so.

791
0:38:11 --> 0:38:11
But they're basically like-

792
0:38:11 --> 0:38:13
They were a surprise discovery.

793
0:38:13 --> 0:38:14
Yeah, little fragments.

794
0:38:14 --> 0:38:15
So I don't know if you can see my picture now,

795
0:38:15 --> 0:38:17
but little fragments of RNA.

796
0:38:17 --> 0:38:19
I think they look like bongs,

797
0:38:19 --> 0:38:21
those things that you smoke through.

798
0:38:21 --> 0:38:22
But there we are.

799
0:38:22 --> 0:38:26
They've got a little end which can interfere,

800
0:38:26 --> 0:38:29
and then these little stalks,

801
0:38:29 --> 0:38:32
all of which can bind to RNA,

802
0:38:32 --> 0:38:34
a bit like transfer RNA,

803
0:38:34 --> 0:38:36
which are the little fragments of RNA

804
0:38:36 --> 0:38:39
which bind onto mRNA to create your protein.

805
0:38:39 --> 0:38:40
So they're shaped a bit like that.

806
0:38:40 --> 0:38:41
And for the same reason,

807
0:38:41 --> 0:38:44
they can interfere with the function of RNA

808
0:38:44 --> 0:38:47
so they can increase it or they can decrease it.

809
0:38:47 --> 0:38:50
And not much is known about them.

810
0:38:50 --> 0:38:53
There's a handful of microRNAs

811
0:38:53 --> 0:38:58
that we know have been linked into cancer progression

812
0:38:58 --> 0:38:59
or regression.

813
0:38:59 --> 0:39:03
So there are therapeutics being made or designed

814
0:39:03 --> 0:39:08
for as cancer therapeutics,

815
0:39:08 --> 0:39:10
which include microRNAs.

816
0:39:10 --> 0:39:11
But as we all know,

817
0:39:11 --> 0:39:13
most of the people sitting in this room, I guess,

818
0:39:13 --> 0:39:16
will know that when you interfere

819
0:39:16 --> 0:39:18
with any process in the human body,

820
0:39:18 --> 0:39:20
you have to be sure that you're not getting

821
0:39:20 --> 0:39:22
a knock-on effect on the other end,

822
0:39:22 --> 0:39:25
which makes your therapeutic do exactly the opposite

823
0:39:25 --> 0:39:26
of what you intended.

824
0:39:26 --> 0:39:29
And I think we're all seeing those things happen, aren't we?

825
0:39:31 --> 0:39:34
So I just wondered whether you had any handle

826
0:39:34 --> 0:39:39
on the microRNA situation with the spike gene

827
0:39:40 --> 0:39:43
or the mRNA version of the gene,

828
0:39:43 --> 0:39:45
and I think you've answered that question.

829
0:39:45 --> 0:39:46
So I think that's something we need to,

830
0:39:46 --> 0:39:50
maybe we need to look at offline,

831
0:39:50 --> 0:39:53
but it's certainly a possibility, isn't it?

832
0:39:53 --> 0:39:55
Definitely. Give me some time.

833
0:39:55 --> 0:39:57
I would love to read that paper

834
0:39:57 --> 0:40:00
that you just provided the link to.

835
0:40:00 --> 0:40:03
And as I was mentioning, a review just got published,

836
0:40:03 --> 0:40:05
which talks about that as well.

837
0:40:05 --> 0:40:08
There might be actually referencing that paper as well.

838
0:40:08 --> 0:40:11
So it would be great to collage that knowledge

839
0:40:11 --> 0:40:14
so that we can have a more appropriate,

840
0:40:14 --> 0:40:16
deeper discussion on a molecular level.

841
0:40:16 --> 0:40:18
So absolutely.

842
0:40:20 --> 0:40:23
Of course, that's not what I want to be seeing.

843
0:40:23 --> 0:40:26
Why? Because majority of our public is vaccinated.

844
0:40:26 --> 0:40:30
We don't want to be seeing our population getting sicker

845
0:40:30 --> 0:40:34
as an unintended consequence of this program.

846
0:40:34 --> 0:40:38
And as you mentioned, when you introduce therapy,

847
0:40:38 --> 0:40:40
you better know every aspect of it

848
0:40:40 --> 0:40:43
because there can be surprise unintended consequences,

849
0:40:43 --> 0:40:45
which is why clinical trials take years

850
0:40:45 --> 0:40:48
before therapeutic is allowed to come to the market.

851
0:40:50 --> 0:40:52
So that was two bits of four.

852
0:40:52 --> 0:40:53
We're nearly there.

853
0:40:53 --> 0:40:54
The next...

854
0:40:56 --> 0:40:58
Guys, is this all right stuff?

855
0:40:58 --> 0:40:59
Are we okay to carry on?

856
0:40:59 --> 0:41:01
Yes, absolutely, Sam.

857
0:41:01 --> 0:41:05
Sam, this is good because Nikolai was here for us.

858
0:41:05 --> 0:41:07
And so with your knowledge,

859
0:41:07 --> 0:41:10
all of the rest of us can learn from this.

860
0:41:10 --> 0:41:12
And Nikolai, can you look at the chat

861
0:41:12 --> 0:41:15
because there's some questions that might be relevant

862
0:41:15 --> 0:41:16
as Sam is raising his stuff

863
0:41:18 --> 0:41:20
in terms of Anna asked a question.

864
0:41:20 --> 0:41:23
So you can be the judge of that,

865
0:41:23 --> 0:41:25
but Sam, go on to your next.

866
0:41:25 --> 0:41:28
I can answer Anna's question as an oncologist.

867
0:41:31 --> 0:41:33
From what we are aware,

868
0:41:33 --> 0:41:37
I should be able to take a chunk of somebody's cancer,

869
0:41:37 --> 0:41:39
rub it all over me, put it in my mouth,

870
0:41:40 --> 0:41:41
and nothing will happen to me.

871
0:41:41 --> 0:41:43
And the reason for that is that you've got

872
0:41:43 --> 0:41:46
different MHC proteins.

873
0:41:46 --> 0:41:49
And so our body will just reject it completely

874
0:41:49 --> 0:41:52
in the same way that a transplant will be rejected

875
0:41:52 --> 0:41:55
unless it's a specific type.

876
0:41:55 --> 0:41:58
So you could in theory get a cancer

877
0:41:58 --> 0:42:01
from a very close relative with the same MHC,

878
0:42:01 --> 0:42:03
but it's gonna be very, very unlikely.

879
0:42:03 --> 0:42:06
So you can't get cancer from somebody else's cancer.

880
0:42:06 --> 0:42:10
Otherwise, as oncologists would be

881
0:42:10 --> 0:42:11
out of the game very quickly.

882
0:42:13 --> 0:42:14
Yes.

883
0:42:16 --> 0:42:18
You wanna go for the second one from Tom?

884
0:42:18 --> 0:42:19
Yeah.

885
0:42:25 --> 0:42:27
How many of these mRNA templates are in there?

886
0:42:27 --> 0:42:30
Billions, literally billions.

887
0:42:30 --> 0:42:31
Billions.

888
0:42:31 --> 0:42:35
And the reason why is because the amount

889
0:42:35 --> 0:42:39
that is normally when we are informed,

890
0:42:39 --> 0:42:41
we're talking about, I believe this is from memory,

891
0:42:41 --> 0:42:43
so I might have this reverse.

892
0:42:43 --> 0:42:47
One of the mRNA vaccines is 30 micrograms of mRNA

893
0:42:47 --> 0:42:49
and the other one is 100 micrograms.

894
0:42:49 --> 0:42:54
Now, when it comes to one microgram of genetic content,

895
0:42:54 --> 0:42:56
we are now talking about billions,

896
0:42:56 --> 0:43:00
maybe even trillions of molecules, individual molecules.

897
0:43:00 --> 0:43:04
So the amount is absolutely enormous.

898
0:43:04 --> 0:43:05
I didn't do the calculations.

899
0:43:05 --> 0:43:08
I could in theory, I could measure the molecular weight

900
0:43:08 --> 0:43:13
of the mRNA and we could translate it based

901
0:43:13 --> 0:43:17
on Avogadro's number to see what one microgram has

902
0:43:17 --> 0:43:21
in terms of the amount of mRNAs, but it will be in billions.

903
0:43:21 --> 0:43:22
It's a really, really large amount.

904
0:43:22 --> 0:43:25
So I hope that answers Tom's question.

905
0:43:25 --> 0:43:28
So is that in each nano lipid,

906
0:43:28 --> 0:43:33
like how many are per nano lipid particle?

907
0:43:33 --> 0:43:36
Is it one to one or is it many to one?

908
0:43:38 --> 0:43:41
I do not know, but I would imagine no,

909
0:43:41 --> 0:43:44
that it would not be one molecule mRNA

910
0:43:44 --> 0:43:47
inside that one little vehicle.

911
0:43:47 --> 0:43:50
I would imagine there'll be plenty.

912
0:43:51 --> 0:43:55
I could be wrong about that, but I, as far as I understand,

913
0:43:55 --> 0:43:57
within the little vehicle,

914
0:43:57 --> 0:44:00
it's encapsulated with other lipids

915
0:44:00 --> 0:44:04
and there should be a plethora of them in each vehicle,

916
0:44:04 --> 0:44:06
but I actually don't know for sure.

917
0:44:06 --> 0:44:09
So this is speculative answer on my part.

918
0:44:09 --> 0:44:10
Okay.

919
0:44:10 --> 0:44:12
Bear in mind now that you've,

920
0:44:12 --> 0:44:15
Mikhail, I can refute this all not,

921
0:44:15 --> 0:44:19
but I think you have a dawning.

922
0:44:20 --> 0:44:21
A lot of people don't realize

923
0:44:21 --> 0:44:25
that the lipid nanoparticles are used

924
0:44:25 --> 0:44:29
and actually declared to be used in a specific way.

925
0:44:29 --> 0:44:32
And we know it in the lab as transfection,

926
0:44:32 --> 0:44:33
lipid transfection.

927
0:44:33 --> 0:44:35
So lipid transfection is a mechanism.

928
0:44:35 --> 0:44:37
So a normal cell can't get,

929
0:44:37 --> 0:44:40
won't allow RNA, exogenous RNA into itself.

930
0:44:40 --> 0:44:41
You have to push it in.

931
0:44:41 --> 0:44:45
And in the lab, we do that with sometimes electricity,

932
0:44:45 --> 0:44:47
so electroporation,

933
0:44:48 --> 0:44:50
but other mechanisms of getting RNA into the cell

934
0:44:50 --> 0:44:53
include chemicals.

935
0:44:53 --> 0:44:56
And the most commonly used one is a lipid-based one

936
0:44:56 --> 0:44:57
called lipofectamine,

937
0:44:57 --> 0:44:59
or maybe they've advanced since then.

938
0:44:59 --> 0:45:00
Mikhail, I don't know.

939
0:45:00 --> 0:45:05
But lipofectamine 2000 and 3000, the trade names,

940
0:45:05 --> 0:45:07
and they are pretty much the same

941
0:45:07 --> 0:45:09
as the lipid nanoparticles.

942
0:45:09 --> 0:45:12
So when you're getting a lipid nanoparticle with RNA,

943
0:45:12 --> 0:45:14
that's basically a transfection reagent.

944
0:45:14 --> 0:45:16
You're getting your cells transfected.

945
0:45:16 --> 0:45:19
And that's the actual intention,

946
0:45:19 --> 0:45:22
the declared intention of the mechanism of action.

947
0:45:22 --> 0:45:24
So it's transfection of your cells

948
0:45:24 --> 0:45:27
with an exogenous RNA or DNA.

949
0:45:27 --> 0:45:31
Now the AstraZeneca and the J&J work in a different way.

950
0:45:31 --> 0:45:36
They use a vector, another virus vector

951
0:45:36 --> 0:45:38
to get that information into your cells.

952
0:45:38 --> 0:45:40
But in the absence of that viral vector,

953
0:45:40 --> 0:45:42
which is what the AZ uses,

954
0:45:43 --> 0:45:46
the only mechanism to get RNA into your cells

955
0:45:46 --> 0:45:49
is to use a transfectant.

956
0:45:49 --> 0:45:51
And the lipid nanoparticle is not only a vehicle

957
0:45:51 --> 0:45:54
to move the RNA around the body,

958
0:45:55 --> 0:45:56
but the actual intention of it is to act

959
0:45:56 --> 0:45:59
as a transfectant medium,

960
0:45:59 --> 0:46:01
which is to push that RNA into your cells.

961
0:46:03 --> 0:46:04
Correct.

962
0:46:04 --> 0:46:08
And this, what has been one of the major stumbling blocks

963
0:46:08 --> 0:46:10
in the development of the RNA vaccines

964
0:46:10 --> 0:46:13
is to be able to properly create that vehicle

965
0:46:13 --> 0:46:16
that would be able to enter the cell.

966
0:46:16 --> 0:46:18
And they've done some phenomenal work

967
0:46:18 --> 0:46:21
to be able to figure that out.

968
0:46:21 --> 0:46:24
One of the major contributing factors

969
0:46:24 --> 0:46:28
that helps these vehicles is the charge.

970
0:46:28 --> 0:46:33
So the lipids that are made for the encapsulation

971
0:46:33 --> 0:46:37
that holds the mRNA, those are synthetic lipids.

972
0:46:37 --> 0:46:40
The majority of them do not show up in nature at all.

973
0:46:40 --> 0:46:42
They don't exist in nature.

974
0:46:42 --> 0:46:44
So they are specifically created

975
0:46:44 --> 0:46:47
in order to be able to fool our cells

976
0:46:47 --> 0:46:49
in order to be able to start interacting.

977
0:46:49 --> 0:46:50
And it's based on charge.

978
0:46:51 --> 0:46:56
So these are positively charged lipids.

979
0:46:56 --> 0:46:58
And most of our cell membranes on the outside

980
0:46:58 --> 0:47:00
are negatively charged.

981
0:47:00 --> 0:47:02
Just for sake of simplicity,

982
0:47:02 --> 0:47:05
just think of everything in nature

983
0:47:05 --> 0:47:07
has a charge attached to it.

984
0:47:07 --> 0:47:09
For sake of simplicity, you can think of it that way.

985
0:47:09 --> 0:47:12
Everything in nature is regulated by two things.

986
0:47:12 --> 0:47:14
Three-dimensional shape is one,

987
0:47:14 --> 0:47:16
and it's electric charge is the second.

988
0:47:16 --> 0:47:19
And that basically, as far as my scientific understanding

989
0:47:19 --> 0:47:23
governs absolutely everything in biology.

990
0:47:23 --> 0:47:26
So then these lipid molecules are negatively charged,

991
0:47:26 --> 0:47:28
positive versus, sorry, positively charged

992
0:47:28 --> 0:47:31
versus outside of the cells, negatively charged.

993
0:47:31 --> 0:47:34
And that allows them to come into contact

994
0:47:34 --> 0:47:36
and start the fusion process.

995
0:47:37 --> 0:47:40
But that's not my area of expertise.

996
0:47:40 --> 0:47:42
I've only studied a little bit.

997
0:47:42 --> 0:47:44
I'm much more focused on what happens

998
0:47:44 --> 0:47:48
molecularly post-vaccination.

999
0:47:48 --> 0:47:50
There's another question from Lisa.

1000
0:47:52 --> 0:47:54
How long do these spike proteins stay in a body?

1001
0:47:54 --> 0:47:57
That's one of unanswered questions.

1002
0:47:57 --> 0:47:59
There's only two publications that I've seen.

1003
0:47:59 --> 0:48:04
One was that macrophages, which is one of your immune cells,

1004
0:48:04 --> 0:48:07
they can actually hold spike protein

1005
0:48:07 --> 0:48:10
for longer than a year.

1006
0:48:11 --> 0:48:12
That's one paper I saw.

1007
0:48:12 --> 0:48:15
And the other one I covered in one of my videos,

1008
0:48:15 --> 0:48:18
number 16, if you wanna keep track of that.

1009
0:48:18 --> 0:48:20
It talks about exosomes.

1010
0:48:20 --> 0:48:24
And they found that the length of exosomes

1011
0:48:24 --> 0:48:28
in post-vaccination with a spike protein embedded.

1012
0:48:28 --> 0:48:31
Exosomes is another little fat molecule

1013
0:48:31 --> 0:48:34
similar to what is used in vaccine.

1014
0:48:34 --> 0:48:36
And with a spike protein embedded in those exosomes,

1015
0:48:36 --> 0:48:38
they last up to four months,

1016
0:48:38 --> 0:48:41
at least for the entire duration of...

1017
0:48:41 --> 0:48:43
Oh, sorry, I have a phone call coming in.

1018
0:48:44 --> 0:48:48
I just need to inform them so they don't call back.

1019
0:48:51 --> 0:48:51
Thanks.

1020
0:48:51 --> 0:48:53
So we don't fully know yet,

1021
0:48:53 --> 0:48:56
but we're looking at four years in terms of exosomes,

1022
0:48:56 --> 0:48:58
four months in terms of exosomes,

1023
0:48:58 --> 0:49:02
and in terms of macrophages holding it in their compartments.

1024
0:49:02 --> 0:49:06
16 months was the longest time that I've seen.

1025
0:49:06 --> 0:49:10
And it's a shame that it's not studied in more detail.

1026
0:49:11 --> 0:49:13
Sorry, sorry, Sam.

1027
0:49:14 --> 0:49:16
I'm very good at getting rid of toxins.

1028
0:49:19 --> 0:49:20
Okay, good.

1029
0:49:22 --> 0:49:23
So just the next question now

1030
0:49:23 --> 0:49:25
relates to the untranslated region,

1031
0:49:25 --> 0:49:28
which is what David Wiseman was talking about.

1032
0:49:28 --> 0:49:33
And this is the World Health Organization,

1033
0:49:37 --> 0:49:39
our favorite people,

1034
0:49:39 --> 0:49:42
who document that David held up.

1035
0:49:42 --> 0:49:45
And this is the sequence of the fires.

1036
0:49:45 --> 0:49:47
There's another sequence for Moderna,

1037
0:49:47 --> 0:49:49
they are eventually in the public domain,

1038
0:49:49 --> 0:49:51
but by circuitous routes,

1039
0:49:51 --> 0:49:52
which I won't touch on here.

1040
0:49:53 --> 0:49:58
This is how the RNAs is organized,

1041
0:49:58 --> 0:50:01
any RNA is organized in this fashion.

1042
0:50:01 --> 0:50:03
And we have a cap.

1043
0:50:04 --> 0:50:06
And the RNA is read from the five prime ends

1044
0:50:06 --> 0:50:07
to the three prime ends.

1045
0:50:07 --> 0:50:10
So when you hear these nomenclatures,

1046
0:50:10 --> 0:50:11
that's what he's talking about.

1047
0:50:12 --> 0:50:15
And the UTR is supposedly the untranslated region.

1048
0:50:16 --> 0:50:18
So that's the bit that doesn't get translated into protein,

1049
0:50:18 --> 0:50:22
but it does have relevance in terms of what happens

1050
0:50:22 --> 0:50:26
and the relevance is these ends.

1051
0:50:26 --> 0:50:29
And again, Mika, correct me if you think I'm wrong,

1052
0:50:29 --> 0:50:33
but these ends in terms of RNA therapies

1053
0:50:33 --> 0:50:36
act as a kind of biological adjuvant.

1054
0:50:36 --> 0:50:38
You'll know that there's no adjuvant

1055
0:50:38 --> 0:50:40
as such in the mRNA vaccines.

1056
0:50:40 --> 0:50:44
All the more traditional vaccines have an adjuvant

1057
0:50:44 --> 0:50:46
to make the body react more efficiently

1058
0:50:46 --> 0:50:49
against the thing that you're trying to induce.

1059
0:50:49 --> 0:50:53
And I'm just, vaccines do, some vaccines do work,

1060
0:50:53 --> 0:50:57
so it is a mechanism that's tried and tested.

1061
0:50:57 --> 0:50:58
But this is different.

1062
0:50:58 --> 0:51:02
So what we do here is we use different ends,

1063
0:51:02 --> 0:51:04
three primes and five prime ends

1064
0:51:04 --> 0:51:06
to produce a different amount of protein.

1065
0:51:06 --> 0:51:07
The protein that we're producing

1066
0:51:07 --> 0:51:10
is the bit from the gene sequence in the middle.

1067
0:51:11 --> 0:51:14
The five prime untranslated regions for these,

1068
0:51:14 --> 0:51:17
they're all using alpha globin,

1069
0:51:17 --> 0:51:19
which is a gene of hemoglobin,

1070
0:51:19 --> 0:51:22
and that's predominantly produced in the liver,

1071
0:51:22 --> 0:51:26
which might explain some instances of hepatitis.

1072
0:51:26 --> 0:51:28
The three prime, the other end of this,

1073
0:51:28 --> 0:51:30
the three prime untranslated region,

1074
0:51:30 --> 0:51:32
this gets really interesting.

1075
0:51:33 --> 0:51:37
Because it was described back at the time

1076
0:51:37 --> 0:51:41
as to what it is, and it's very unusual

1077
0:51:41 --> 0:51:44
because the Moderna one uses the other half

1078
0:51:44 --> 0:51:46
of the alpha globin gene.

1079
0:51:46 --> 0:51:49
It's been a well-known three prime,

1080
0:51:49 --> 0:51:53
has been used for a number of years in various experiments.

1081
0:51:53 --> 0:51:57
I don't think it's ever been used in a vaccine.

1082
0:51:58 --> 0:52:01
But this three prime here, I don't know if you can read this,

1083
0:52:01 --> 0:52:03
but it says, I'll read it now,

1084
0:52:03 --> 0:52:04
the three prime untranslated region

1085
0:52:04 --> 0:52:06
comprises two sequence elements derived

1086
0:52:06 --> 0:52:10
from the amino terminate enhancer of split, AES,

1087
0:52:10 --> 0:52:14
and the mitochondrial encoded 12S ribosomal RNA

1088
0:52:14 --> 0:52:17
to confer RNA stability and high total expression.

1089
0:52:18 --> 0:52:19
So what this actually is,

1090
0:52:19 --> 0:52:22
this amino terminal enhancer of split

1091
0:52:22 --> 0:52:25
is another one of these tumor suppressor proteins.

1092
0:52:25 --> 0:52:30
So whereas we were talking about ovarian cancer before,

1093
0:52:30 --> 0:52:34
AES pathways are involved in endometrial and colon cancers.

1094
0:52:35 --> 0:52:37
And the other name for this,

1095
0:52:38 --> 0:52:41
this is a very, it's a difficult name to remember.

1096
0:52:41 --> 0:52:43
So the other much easier name to remember

1097
0:52:43 --> 0:52:45
for this protein is Groucho.

1098
0:52:45 --> 0:52:47
So this is the Groucho pathway.

1099
0:52:48 --> 0:52:53
And that bit of the gene is taken from that gene,

1100
0:52:53 --> 0:52:56
the Groucho gene, and it's human RNA.

1101
0:52:56 --> 0:52:59
It's not a mouse RNA or anything else

1102
0:52:59 --> 0:53:01
that won't necessarily react with the human body,

1103
0:53:01 --> 0:53:03
it's human RNA.

1104
0:53:03 --> 0:53:05
And the other bit of that is mitochondrial RNA,

1105
0:53:05 --> 0:53:08
so the 12S ribosome from mitochondria.

1106
0:53:08 --> 0:53:12
So we're using, and we can do what we call

1107
0:53:12 --> 0:53:14
a BLAST comparison.

1108
0:53:14 --> 0:53:19
So if I go to BLAST online and see,

1109
0:53:20 --> 0:53:22
well, what is the sequence of this

1110
0:53:22 --> 0:53:25
and how does this compare to human RNA?

1111
0:53:25 --> 0:53:28
And as long as you can see this, hopefully,

1112
0:53:28 --> 0:53:31
this is a, these are both perfect matches

1113
0:53:31 --> 0:53:33
for the described sequences.

1114
0:53:33 --> 0:53:37
So what they've described is exactly what they've described.

1115
0:53:37 --> 0:53:41
And this first one is another name for Groucho,

1116
0:53:41 --> 0:53:45
and this one is the mitochondrial RNA.

1117
0:53:46 --> 0:53:49
So the question I've got for you, Miko,

1118
0:53:49 --> 0:53:52
is what do you think about, oh, sorry, let me just,

1119
0:53:52 --> 0:53:54
the rest of the story comes here,

1120
0:53:54 --> 0:53:56
which is really the clincher,

1121
0:53:56 --> 0:54:00
and I shouldn't let you down by finishing early.

1122
0:54:00 --> 0:54:04
The reason this was chosen was in this paper here,

1123
0:54:04 --> 0:54:09
which is by Hugo Sahin, who is the head of BioNTech.

1124
0:54:12 --> 0:54:17
And I'll just time that, this is this one, okay?

1125
0:54:18 --> 0:54:23
And the reason it was chosen was published here in 2019.

1126
0:54:26 --> 0:54:31
Sorry, I'll stop sharing and reshare.

1127
0:54:36 --> 0:54:41
And with that paper, which was published in 2019,

1128
0:54:43 --> 0:54:46
now working, molecular therapy,

1129
0:54:46 --> 0:54:48
on 27 April 2019.

1130
0:54:50 --> 0:54:50
That paper is called,

1131
0:54:50 --> 0:54:53
Improving mRNA-Based Therapy to Gene Delivery

1132
0:54:53 --> 0:54:55
by Expression-Augmenting 3-Prime UTRs

1133
0:54:55 --> 0:54:58
Identified by Cellular Library Screening.

1134
0:54:58 --> 0:55:01
And what that means is that they used a whole panel

1135
0:55:01 --> 0:55:05
of different 3-prime UTRs and translated regions

1136
0:55:05 --> 0:55:09
attached to an RNA to see which would produce

1137
0:55:09 --> 0:55:14
the most protein and the most effect in the spleen.

1138
0:55:14 --> 0:55:15
So it was specifically designed to see

1139
0:55:15 --> 0:55:18
which was going to be taken up the most by the spleen

1140
0:55:18 --> 0:55:23
and produce the most immune response, and this was in mice.

1141
0:55:23 --> 0:55:28
So this was done 2019 for the first time in mice.

1142
0:55:28 --> 0:55:30
Let's see if we can find any mice on here.

1143
0:55:30 --> 0:55:32
Mice are lovely creatures, we love mice.

1144
0:55:34 --> 0:55:36
There we go, there are the mice.

1145
0:55:36 --> 0:55:39
And you can see from this, hopefully,

1146
0:55:39 --> 0:55:42
that they were all taken up in the spleen.

1147
0:55:42 --> 0:55:45
And that was the untranslated region

1148
0:55:45 --> 0:55:48
that was chosen for the next vaccine candidate,

1149
0:55:48 --> 0:55:51
and that was in 2019.

1150
0:55:51 --> 0:55:54
So this particular untranslated region

1151
0:55:54 --> 0:55:59
has never been used before this rollout.

1152
0:55:59 --> 0:56:01
And the question I've got for Mika is,

1153
0:56:01 --> 0:56:03
what do you think about the consequences

1154
0:56:03 --> 0:56:08
of using human RNA in the 3-prime untranslated region

1155
0:56:09 --> 0:56:10
in this way?

1156
0:56:10 --> 0:56:12
Do you think there could be consequences?

1157
0:56:12 --> 0:56:15
Do you think it's a good thing, not a good thing?

1158
0:56:15 --> 0:56:19
Robert Malone was dismissing this last week as an issue,

1159
0:56:19 --> 0:56:20
and I don't quite know why,

1160
0:56:21 --> 0:56:22
because it's so new.

1161
0:56:23 --> 0:56:24
So I'll hand that over.

1162
0:56:24 --> 0:56:26
One of the reasons why is because

1163
0:56:27 --> 0:56:31
I think it's not yet fully even understood

1164
0:56:31 --> 0:56:35
as to how they work and what their true purpose is.

1165
0:56:35 --> 0:56:38
Yes, that's right, we know it is involved

1166
0:56:38 --> 0:56:43
in affecting how much a given product is made,

1167
0:56:44 --> 0:56:49
but really how it works is not even yet understood, I thought.

1168
0:56:49 --> 0:56:52
So I haven't studied that information in that detail,

1169
0:56:52 --> 0:56:54
that's just simply my general answer,

1170
0:56:54 --> 0:56:55
so I wouldn't be able to answer

1171
0:56:55 --> 0:56:59
your complex question, to be honest.

1172
0:56:59 --> 0:57:02
I will add though that my understanding is that

1173
0:57:02 --> 0:57:06
you're mentioning lack of adjuvant in these vaccines.

1174
0:57:06 --> 0:57:08
That's because the vaccine itself,

1175
0:57:08 --> 0:57:13
the charge apparently itself of those lipid vehicles

1176
0:57:14 --> 0:57:15
is an adjuvant in itself.

1177
0:57:15 --> 0:57:20
It stimulates the immune system in its own right.

1178
0:57:20 --> 0:57:22
So maybe that's why they're skipping

1179
0:57:22 --> 0:57:25
the typical traditional adjuvants

1180
0:57:25 --> 0:57:26
that are being added to vaccines.

1181
0:57:27 --> 0:57:29
But I wouldn't be able to answer,

1182
0:57:29 --> 0:57:33
that's too complicated for me to be able to go there,

1183
0:57:33 --> 0:57:37
because I haven't really studied RNAs in that complex detail,

1184
0:57:37 --> 0:57:40
and one of the reasons was also because it still

1185
0:57:40 --> 0:57:42
carries certain mystery behind it.

1186
0:57:43 --> 0:57:46
And that's the point that David Wiseman was making,

1187
0:57:46 --> 0:57:51
look, I've got a PhD, you're currently employed,

1188
0:57:52 --> 0:57:54
you're currently active in the field of genomics,

1189
0:57:54 --> 0:57:57
and we can't answer this question.

1190
0:57:57 --> 0:57:59
So if we can't answer this question,

1191
0:57:59 --> 0:58:00
then how can Robert Malone answer the question,

1192
0:58:00 --> 0:58:04
and how can the FDA, who's not used to dealing

1193
0:58:04 --> 0:58:08
with genetic genomic therapies, answer the question,

1194
0:58:08 --> 0:58:10
and how can the MHRA answer the question?

1195
0:58:10 --> 0:58:12
That's what they can't answer.

1196
0:58:12 --> 0:58:15
Sam, what did Robert Malone say?

1197
0:58:17 --> 0:58:20
I've actually got a video, but he basically,

1198
0:58:20 --> 0:58:21
he overtaught on David Wiseman,

1199
0:58:21 --> 0:58:24
who was discussing this issue,

1200
0:58:24 --> 0:58:26
and then later on, he at the end of,

1201
0:58:26 --> 0:58:30
so if you see the five hour thing at the end of the hearing,

1202
0:58:30 --> 0:58:33
he says, oh, well, I know about the three prime issue,

1203
0:58:33 --> 0:58:37
but I'm not worried about it, which is really dismissive.

1204
0:58:37 --> 0:58:39
And the reason, I think it was completely-

1205
0:58:39 --> 0:58:42
Why didn't somebody ask him about the animal studies then?

1206
0:58:42 --> 0:58:47
Well, I think in Malone's time, he, as I say,

1207
0:58:47 --> 0:58:48
the alpha globin and the alpha globin

1208
0:58:48 --> 0:58:51
and translated regions have been used for a long time,

1209
0:58:51 --> 0:58:54
so that is a bit more well-known,

1210
0:58:54 --> 0:58:57
even though it hasn't been rolled out into large trials.

1211
0:58:57 --> 0:59:01
So bear in mind, the vaccine therapy,

1212
0:59:01 --> 0:59:05
and as I said, the vaccine therapy idea for cancers is great,

1213
0:59:05 --> 0:59:07
but the risk-benefit ratio is completely different.

1214
0:59:07 --> 0:59:09
The reason that we're trying to develop

1215
0:59:09 --> 0:59:12
cancer vaccine therapy is because at the moment,

1216
0:59:12 --> 0:59:15
the alternative is the person dies.

1217
0:59:17 --> 0:59:20
So if we've got no chemotherapy agents that are effective,

1218
0:59:20 --> 0:59:21
the person dies.

1219
0:59:21 --> 0:59:25
So the risk-benefit ratio there is we give you something

1220
0:59:25 --> 0:59:27
that may affect you in 10 years' time.

1221
0:59:27 --> 0:59:28
It's no problem.

1222
0:59:28 --> 0:59:29
Thanks, give it to me, please,

1223
0:59:29 --> 0:59:31
because I'm gonna die in the next year.

1224
0:59:31 --> 0:59:34
So that's a completely different situation.

1225
0:59:35 --> 0:59:37
Where it comes to a preventative therapy,

1226
0:59:38 --> 0:59:43
we're talking about 1,000 times less risk

1227
0:59:43 --> 0:59:44
of the actual disease.

1228
0:59:46 --> 0:59:47
So it's a completely different ballgame.

1229
0:59:47 --> 0:59:49
So when they've rolled out vaccine therapies

1230
0:59:49 --> 0:59:50
for cancer in the past,

1231
0:59:50 --> 0:59:53
there've been a small phase one trials

1232
0:59:53 --> 0:59:54
of small numbers of people,

1233
0:59:54 --> 0:59:57
and we won't see the effect of the

1234
0:59:57 --> 1:00:00
untranslated regions problem if there is one,

1235
1:00:00 --> 1:00:02
and we don't know if there is,

1236
1:00:02 --> 1:00:04
within the noise of those treatments,

1237
1:00:04 --> 1:00:08
because there's a 20 to 70% death rate

1238
1:00:08 --> 1:00:10
in the people that you're treating

1239
1:00:10 --> 1:00:12
from the disease that you're treating them for.

1240
1:00:12 --> 1:00:13
So it's a completely different ballgame

1241
1:00:13 --> 1:00:15
when it comes to clinical trials.

1242
1:00:16 --> 1:00:19
Somebody asked me for the paper.

1243
1:00:19 --> 1:00:23
The mouse paper is actually online in molecular therapy.

1244
1:00:23 --> 1:00:27
I'll look for the link while I'm asking the last questions,

1245
1:00:27 --> 1:00:28
the last bits of it.

1246
1:00:28 --> 1:00:31
You'll be pleased to know for those

1247
1:00:31 --> 1:00:32
that don't like these conversations.

1248
1:00:32 --> 1:00:35
The last one is, I don't know if you've seen,

1249
1:00:35 --> 1:00:39
we've been discussing read through of the stop codons.

1250
1:00:39 --> 1:00:43
So when they're used in the mRNA therapies,

1251
1:00:43 --> 1:00:46
they've used pseudouridin instead of uracil,

1252
1:00:46 --> 1:00:49
which is the traditional component of RNA.

1253
1:00:49 --> 1:00:52
And there are a number of papers floating around,

1254
1:00:52 --> 1:00:53
which I can refer to.

1255
1:00:53 --> 1:00:56
I'll post in the link in a second.

1256
1:00:56 --> 1:01:00
But one in the main one in nature from Carrie Jovich,

1257
1:01:00 --> 1:01:02
I think, probably another poll.

1258
1:01:03 --> 1:01:07
Who, and by the way, my mother's Polish, so.

1259
1:01:08 --> 1:01:13
So who published that if you use pseudouridin

1260
1:01:14 --> 1:01:17
in your RNA, your stop codons don't work.

1261
1:01:19 --> 1:01:22
So you have this mRNA sequence

1262
1:01:22 --> 1:01:23
and you have the stop codon.

1263
1:01:23 --> 1:01:28
We should stop the translation of the mRNA into the protein.

1264
1:01:28 --> 1:01:30
So it should give you those amino acids

1265
1:01:30 --> 1:01:32
that you're looking for.

1266
1:01:32 --> 1:01:35
But instead of doing that, they don't work.

1267
1:01:35 --> 1:01:37
So therefore the mRNA keeps reading,

1268
1:01:37 --> 1:01:39
the ribosome keeps reading,

1269
1:01:39 --> 1:01:41
in which case what you will get is a protein

1270
1:01:41 --> 1:01:44
which includes your graft or protein fragments

1271
1:01:44 --> 1:01:47
and your mitochondrial ribosomal fragments.

1272
1:01:47 --> 1:01:48
And that could be a problem

1273
1:01:48 --> 1:01:50
if the body reacts to it, I guess.

1274
1:01:50 --> 1:01:53
Wow, okay, that I didn't know.

1275
1:01:53 --> 1:01:54
I'll give you the paper that's here.

1276
1:01:54 --> 1:01:57
Yeah, that is interesting because then you,

1277
1:01:57 --> 1:01:58
just like you said,

1278
1:01:58 --> 1:02:02
you'd be producing some form of a chimera,

1279
1:02:02 --> 1:02:03
but at the same time,

1280
1:02:03 --> 1:02:08
you most likely would introduce a stop codon by accident,

1281
1:02:11 --> 1:02:15
just because of the redundancy of genetic information.

1282
1:02:15 --> 1:02:18
But yeah, you'd be producing some sort of a chimera.

1283
1:02:18 --> 1:02:21
One would have to run it, well, check the sequence

1284
1:02:21 --> 1:02:24
to see if you were to read through,

1285
1:02:24 --> 1:02:29
is there accidental stop codon in that five UTR region?

1286
1:02:29 --> 1:02:34
Yeah, well, the problem is that all the nucleotides

1287
1:02:34 --> 1:02:39
coding to the stop codon don't work, all of them, all three.

1288
1:02:39 --> 1:02:41
Oh, I see, I see, that's right.

1289
1:02:41 --> 1:02:44
So even if you introduce a new one,

1290
1:02:44 --> 1:02:47
okay, yeah, right, then you'd still be reading through.

1291
1:02:47 --> 1:02:50
Well, then you're producing a spike protein

1292
1:02:50 --> 1:02:55
that would have on its terminus,

1293
1:02:55 --> 1:02:56
another protein attached to it,

1294
1:02:57 --> 1:03:00
fragment of a protein, very bizarre.

1295
1:03:01 --> 1:03:05
Okay, that's new to me, so that's fascinating.

1296
1:03:05 --> 1:03:08
So Sam and Mikhail, for that matter,

1297
1:03:09 --> 1:03:12
is there evidence, do you think there's enough evidence

1298
1:03:12 --> 1:03:14
of intent to cause harm here?

1299
1:03:14 --> 1:03:16
Because there were no animal studies

1300
1:03:16 --> 1:03:21
prior to the rollouts of the vaccination

1301
1:03:21 --> 1:03:23
in inverted commas in the UK,

1302
1:03:23 --> 1:03:26
on the 8th of December, 2020, I think it was,

1303
1:03:26 --> 1:03:29
or it could have been the 7th of December.

1304
1:03:29 --> 1:03:33
There were no animal studies, all the ferrets died.

1305
1:03:33 --> 1:03:36
I was told yesterday that there were mice studies

1306
1:03:36 --> 1:03:40
and chicken studies, is that correct?

1307
1:03:40 --> 1:03:44
Prior, all the animals died.

1308
1:03:44 --> 1:03:46
No, I think that is definitely,

1309
1:03:46 --> 1:03:48
I think that's a misinformation,

1310
1:03:48 --> 1:03:50
which is a combination of information.

1311
1:03:50 --> 1:03:53
So that the ferrets and cats that died

1312
1:03:54 --> 1:03:57
were in previous coronavirus vaccine studies.

1313
1:03:57 --> 1:03:59
So that's a different issue,

1314
1:03:59 --> 1:04:01
which is using more traditional technology.

1315
1:04:01 --> 1:04:02
And it is part of the reason

1316
1:04:02 --> 1:04:04
for justifying the mRNA approach,

1317
1:04:04 --> 1:04:06
because in the previous approaches

1318
1:04:06 --> 1:04:09
to coronavirus vaccine studies in animals,

1319
1:04:09 --> 1:04:13
particularly for pets, veterinary studies,

1320
1:04:13 --> 1:04:16
the animals did not do very well in those studies.

1321
1:04:16 --> 1:04:19
So you've got ferrets and cats.

1322
1:04:19 --> 1:04:21
Are we talking about the mRNA now?

1323
1:04:21 --> 1:04:23
No, no, no, definitely not, definitely not mRNA.

1324
1:04:23 --> 1:04:28
So mRNA studies, as I've said to you,

1325
1:04:28 --> 1:04:31
and in fact, if you can give me a second,

1326
1:04:31 --> 1:04:34
I should be able to post the link,

1327
1:04:34 --> 1:04:36
I'll do it in a minute.

1328
1:04:36 --> 1:04:39
The one that I showed you was from 2019.

1329
1:04:39 --> 1:04:41
The point of that animal study,

1330
1:04:41 --> 1:04:43
the mice study that you saw there,

1331
1:04:43 --> 1:04:46
that was the first time that they used

1332
1:04:46 --> 1:04:48
that three prime untranslated region

1333
1:04:48 --> 1:04:51
in any RNA candidate therapy.

1334
1:04:51 --> 1:04:54
So it was an experimental candidate,

1335
1:04:54 --> 1:04:56
that was the first time they used it.

1336
1:04:56 --> 1:05:00
So there was no time then to do animal studies

1337
1:05:00 --> 1:05:04
with that candidate, with animal studies,

1338
1:05:04 --> 1:05:07
with a long-term follow-up, say in monkeys or whatever.

1339
1:05:07 --> 1:05:09
That just cannot have happened.

1340
1:05:09 --> 1:05:11
You can do mice, mice, mice.

1341
1:05:12 --> 1:05:12
I do like mice.

1342
1:05:14 --> 1:05:16
Mice live a couple of years.

1343
1:05:17 --> 1:05:19
If you don't have a mouse,

1344
1:05:19 --> 1:05:21
you should get on there, mice are creatures.

1345
1:05:21 --> 1:05:23
Mice live a couple of years.

1346
1:05:23 --> 1:05:26
So in order to see a long-term follow-up on a mouse study,

1347
1:05:26 --> 1:05:29
you'd have to do older age mice.

1348
1:05:29 --> 1:05:31
And they're not that easy to get a hold of.

1349
1:05:31 --> 1:05:36
Most of the mice you get in the labs, young mice,

1350
1:05:36 --> 1:05:39
a lot of them are nude mice, which is what we use a lot.

1351
1:05:39 --> 1:05:42
And they last a few weeks and then they're terminated.

1352
1:05:42 --> 1:05:45
And the pregnancy turnover is quite fast.

1353
1:05:45 --> 1:05:48
So they can do pregnancy studies

1354
1:05:48 --> 1:05:50
in a matter of weeks or months.

1355
1:05:50 --> 1:05:52
But what they can't do in the pregnancy studies

1356
1:05:52 --> 1:05:53
in a matter of weeks or months

1357
1:05:53 --> 1:05:55
is look at the off-screen long-term.

1358
1:05:55 --> 1:06:00
So in the study that was actually published on the,

1359
1:06:01 --> 1:06:03
if you go into the TGA's Freedom of Information section,

1360
1:06:03 --> 1:06:06
you'll see some of these studies

1361
1:06:06 --> 1:06:08
because they were requested.

1362
1:06:08 --> 1:06:09
And so in those studies,

1363
1:06:09 --> 1:06:11
you'll see that what they did was,

1364
1:06:11 --> 1:06:14
for the pregnancy study for the BioNTech,

1365
1:06:14 --> 1:06:17
what they did was they looked at 22 mice.

1366
1:06:18 --> 1:06:21
Then at the end of the deliveries of the 22 mice,

1367
1:06:21 --> 1:06:23
they had so many pups, et cetera,

1368
1:06:23 --> 1:06:27
and they commented on what happened to the pups.

1369
1:06:27 --> 1:06:28
And there were one or two abnormalities

1370
1:06:28 --> 1:06:30
and some of that is normal.

1371
1:06:30 --> 1:06:33
And then they euthanized them, all the pups.

1372
1:06:33 --> 1:06:35
So there's no, and that was within a few days.

1373
1:06:35 --> 1:06:37
So there was no long-term studies

1374
1:06:37 --> 1:06:39
of what happens to those pups.

1375
1:06:39 --> 1:06:40
And they can't be,

1376
1:06:40 --> 1:06:42
because there was never the time to do that.

1377
1:06:42 --> 1:06:44
AstraZeneca was even worse

1378
1:06:44 --> 1:06:46
in that there was no animal studies at all

1379
1:06:46 --> 1:06:49
for the AstraZeneca vaccine before it was rolled out.

1380
1:06:49 --> 1:06:51
And that got them some criticism.

1381
1:06:52 --> 1:06:56
But that's, the absence of animal studies

1382
1:06:56 --> 1:06:58
is against the Nuremberg Code.

1383
1:06:59 --> 1:07:03
So the AstraZeneca, I think, went backtracked

1384
1:07:03 --> 1:07:07
and looked at animal studies there back in 2000,

1385
1:07:09 --> 1:07:12
I'm getting my years of them now, 2020.

1386
1:07:13 --> 1:07:15
And that may be one of the reasons

1387
1:07:15 --> 1:07:18
why the N501Y mutation appeared,

1388
1:07:18 --> 1:07:23
because if you make a new mouse model for SARS-CoV-2,

1389
1:07:26 --> 1:07:30
one of the necessary interventions for that mouse model

1390
1:07:30 --> 1:07:31
is to introduce a gene change,

1391
1:07:31 --> 1:07:34
which produces the N501Y mutation.

1392
1:07:34 --> 1:07:36
And we all know about the N501Y mutation,

1393
1:07:36 --> 1:07:39
because it was the famous UK strain,

1394
1:07:40 --> 1:07:42
which appeared around September last year,

1395
1:07:42 --> 1:07:44
which is around the time at which the protocol was made

1396
1:07:44 --> 1:07:47
for the N501Y mutation.

1397
1:07:47 --> 1:07:48
That's a different story.

1398
1:07:48 --> 1:07:52
And so the AstraZeneca were a bit behind the eight ball

1399
1:07:52 --> 1:07:53
on the animal studies.

1400
1:07:55 --> 1:07:57
I think, Stephen, that in principle, you're right,

1401
1:07:57 --> 1:08:00
but of course there's lots of Nuremberg Code issues

1402
1:08:00 --> 1:08:01
involved here.

1403
1:08:03 --> 1:08:06
So the animal studies for the finds are available on the TV.

1404
1:08:06 --> 1:08:08
Sam, can I ask you a very important question?

1405
1:08:08 --> 1:08:12
Why did Robert Malone cut off David Wiseman in public?

1406
1:08:12 --> 1:08:15
I think you'd have to ask Robert Malone that question.

1407
1:08:15 --> 1:08:16
Okay.

1408
1:08:16 --> 1:08:17
Or David.

1409
1:08:19 --> 1:08:22
When did Robert Malone first start asking questions?

1410
1:08:22 --> 1:08:25
It was September, wasn't it?

1411
1:08:25 --> 1:08:27
I think the first time I really heard about him

1412
1:08:27 --> 1:08:32
was when he came on board in Rome, whenever that was.

1413
1:08:33 --> 1:08:38
And he actually read the physician's guidelines.

1414
1:08:40 --> 1:08:42
And I remember thinking at the time,

1415
1:08:42 --> 1:08:44
hang on a minute, why is Robert Malone doing it?

1416
1:08:44 --> 1:08:46
We've hardly heard from him up to now.

1417
1:08:46 --> 1:08:49
He's the inventor of the mRNA vaccine.

1418
1:08:49 --> 1:08:52
Well, just to be clear,

1419
1:08:52 --> 1:08:55
he says that he's the inventor of the mRNA technology.

1420
1:08:55 --> 1:08:57
That's the wording that he uses.

1421
1:08:58 --> 1:09:03
Because Ugo Sahin is the inventor of this mRNA vaccine.

1422
1:09:03 --> 1:09:05
That's fair and square on him.

1423
1:09:06 --> 1:09:08
So if it works, that's his credit.

1424
1:09:08 --> 1:09:11
And if it doesn't work, then obviously that's the opposite.

1425
1:09:11 --> 1:09:16
So the technology that Malone is referring to

1426
1:09:16 --> 1:09:17
goes back to 1990.

1427
1:09:17 --> 1:09:19
And I have the paper, you can download it,

1428
1:09:19 --> 1:09:21
but it's Malone RW.

1429
1:09:21 --> 1:09:25
And it was basically just an investigation

1430
1:09:25 --> 1:09:30
of what happens if you inject RNA and DNA into a mouse.

1431
1:09:30 --> 1:09:33
And then they showed that if you inject

1432
1:09:33 --> 1:09:35
labeled RNA or DNA into a mouse,

1433
1:09:35 --> 1:09:38
that will get into the cells of the mouse

1434
1:09:38 --> 1:09:39
one way or another.

1435
1:09:39 --> 1:09:42
And that was without using lipid nanoparticles and stuff.

1436
1:09:42 --> 1:09:46
So it does happen without those additional technologies.

1437
1:09:46 --> 1:09:48
It's just that the transfection agent

1438
1:09:48 --> 1:09:50
and lipid nanoparticles make it more efficient.

1439
1:09:50 --> 1:09:51
I think Miko, is that right?

1440
1:09:53 --> 1:09:54
Yeah, that's right.

1441
1:09:54 --> 1:09:59
So, but however, he might've been the first one

1442
1:10:00 --> 1:10:03
to be able to demonstrate that this can happen

1443
1:10:03 --> 1:10:05
and will hence his claim to fame.

1444
1:10:05 --> 1:10:07
Yeah, I would say so.

1445
1:10:07 --> 1:10:11
So, but then this is very far from being able to say

1446
1:10:11 --> 1:10:14
that this is an inventor of vaccine technology

1447
1:10:17 --> 1:10:19
because we were finally moved.

1448
1:10:19 --> 1:10:21
And let's contribute it to the field.

1449
1:10:21 --> 1:10:23
There's no doubt.

1450
1:10:23 --> 1:10:26
Unless of course the people pushing the vaccines

1451
1:10:26 --> 1:10:30
wanted everybody to listen to Malone and nobody else.

1452
1:10:34 --> 1:10:37
So I'm very surprised that two scientists,

1453
1:10:37 --> 1:10:39
that Malone, it's very interesting

1454
1:10:39 --> 1:10:42
because Malone came onto our group here.

1455
1:10:42 --> 1:10:45
He didn't want to listen to anybody on the call at all.

1456
1:10:45 --> 1:10:49
He wasn't the presenter and he took over

1457
1:10:49 --> 1:10:51
and he wouldn't answer any questions.

1458
1:10:51 --> 1:10:53
I tried to ask him something.

1459
1:10:53 --> 1:10:56
He just carried on with what he wants to say.

1460
1:10:56 --> 1:10:58
So I'm very suspicious of Malone.

1461
1:10:59 --> 1:11:01
I think he's controlled opposition.

1462
1:11:01 --> 1:11:05
Anyway, look, Steven, we've got a number of questions.

1463
1:11:08 --> 1:11:12
I think I finished my questions for Mikhail.

1464
1:11:13 --> 1:11:14
I hope that's, I don't know if that's...

1465
1:11:14 --> 1:11:16
Yeah, I'm afraid I wasn't able to help you

1466
1:11:16 --> 1:11:20
with the RNA component, but that's partially

1467
1:11:20 --> 1:11:25
because my understanding is still unknown, simply unknown.

1468
1:11:26 --> 1:11:30
But obviously we're very cleverly designed

1469
1:11:30 --> 1:11:33
in terms of the selection process, right?

1470
1:11:33 --> 1:11:38
But indeed then imagine taking this experimental technology

1471
1:11:38 --> 1:11:43
and literally we are undergoing the biggest experiment

1472
1:11:43 --> 1:11:45
on humans ever undertaken.

1473
1:11:46 --> 1:11:48
And then Steven, in answer to your question,

1474
1:11:48 --> 1:11:49
was this deliberate?

1475
1:11:50 --> 1:11:52
I can only...

1476
1:11:52 --> 1:11:55
And Mikhail, you go first.

1477
1:11:55 --> 1:11:57
It's so hard to answer that.

1478
1:11:57 --> 1:11:57
You know what?

1479
1:11:57 --> 1:12:02
I try not to subscribe to these type of dark way of thinking.

1480
1:12:02 --> 1:12:06
And I purposely prefer to remain naive.

1481
1:12:06 --> 1:12:08
What I actually think was happening,

1482
1:12:08 --> 1:12:13
there is no, that there wasn't maybe a specific design

1483
1:12:14 --> 1:12:16
apart from true desire to help,

1484
1:12:16 --> 1:12:19
while obviously at the same time,

1485
1:12:19 --> 1:12:21
wanting to make a lot of money.

1486
1:12:21 --> 1:12:24
I actually believe that the inventors of this technology

1487
1:12:24 --> 1:12:29
thought they were doing humanity a grand service

1488
1:12:29 --> 1:12:33
and while at the same time wanting to get obscenely rich.

1489
1:12:33 --> 1:12:37
And I would have gone for the same purpose

1490
1:12:37 --> 1:12:41
if I thought I was about to help the humanity

1491
1:12:41 --> 1:12:43
while making good money.

1492
1:12:43 --> 1:12:44
As a consequence of that,

1493
1:12:44 --> 1:12:47
I would have wanted to participate in that project too.

1494
1:12:47 --> 1:12:49
What might not have happened is...

1495
1:12:51 --> 1:12:52
I don't think anyone understood

1496
1:12:52 --> 1:12:55
the unintended consequences afterwards,

1497
1:12:55 --> 1:12:58
which basically number one,

1498
1:12:58 --> 1:13:00
the technology was understudied

1499
1:13:00 --> 1:13:02
and number two was overused.

1500
1:13:03 --> 1:13:06
And I would agree with all that.

1501
1:13:06 --> 1:13:08
In terms of answering the questions, Steven,

1502
1:13:08 --> 1:13:10
you know that we can't answer the question.

1503
1:13:11 --> 1:13:16
What I can say is that my impression,

1504
1:13:16 --> 1:13:18
this is the point that David Wiseman

1505
1:13:18 --> 1:13:20
was trying to get across is,

1506
1:13:20 --> 1:13:23
we're having this conversation now.

1507
1:13:23 --> 1:13:26
We've got some PhDs and MDs in this group,

1508
1:13:26 --> 1:13:29
smart people, and we're having this conversation.

1509
1:13:29 --> 1:13:32
We're looking through a field of straw,

1510
1:13:32 --> 1:13:36
looking for an answer, which may be a needle.

1511
1:13:36 --> 1:13:40
And there is no way on earth that the FDA, the MHRA,

1512
1:13:40 --> 1:13:45
the TGA, the EMA, who handle normal chemical compounds

1513
1:13:46 --> 1:13:50
as their bread and butter, have any idea at all

1514
1:13:50 --> 1:13:53
what they were dealing with and how to assess it.

1515
1:13:53 --> 1:13:56
They have no idea about codon read-through.

1516
1:13:56 --> 1:13:58
They have no idea about protein elongation.

1517
1:13:58 --> 1:14:00
They have no idea about microRNAs.

1518
1:14:00 --> 1:14:02
They have no idea about 3' UTRs

1519
1:14:02 --> 1:14:04
and the possibility of cross-reaction.

1520
1:14:04 --> 1:14:07
They have no idea about any of that, and they did not ask.

1521
1:14:07 --> 1:14:11
But Sam, that in itself is gross negligence, manslaughter,

1522
1:14:11 --> 1:14:13
and misconduct in public office.

1523
1:14:13 --> 1:14:15
It's misconduct.

1524
1:14:15 --> 1:14:17
Look, I think any way you slice this,

1525
1:14:19 --> 1:14:21
unless those regulators come forward,

1526
1:14:21 --> 1:14:24
and bear in mind, you know, as you'll have seen

1527
1:14:24 --> 1:14:27
from the Freedom of Information request that's gone round,

1528
1:14:27 --> 1:14:32
those officers did not even look at the clinical record forms

1529
1:14:32 --> 1:14:34
of those trials.

1530
1:14:34 --> 1:14:37
They didn't look at one single clinical record form

1531
1:14:37 --> 1:14:40
to ascertain whether or not the data that was given to them

1532
1:14:40 --> 1:14:43
in a shiny brochure was real.

1533
1:14:43 --> 1:14:43
Not one.

1534
1:14:46 --> 1:14:49
So not only did they not know what they were dealing with,

1535
1:14:49 --> 1:14:51
they didn't take the additional steps,

1536
1:14:51 --> 1:14:52
because they could have argued,

1537
1:14:52 --> 1:14:53
well, we don't know what's in this,

1538
1:14:53 --> 1:14:55
and this is why it's gone through the biologics pathway

1539
1:14:55 --> 1:14:57
in the FDA so that they don't know what's in it,

1540
1:14:57 --> 1:15:00
because they don't care, because what they will say is,

1541
1:15:00 --> 1:15:02
okay, well, we don't know what's in it.

1542
1:15:02 --> 1:15:05
It's like taking tree bark extract.

1543
1:15:05 --> 1:15:07
We don't know what's in it, but if it works and it's safe,

1544
1:15:07 --> 1:15:09
all well and good, we don't act.

1545
1:15:09 --> 1:15:10
It doesn't matter to us.

1546
1:15:10 --> 1:15:11
We're just the regulators.

1547
1:15:11 --> 1:15:13
Our job is just to make sure it's safe.

1548
1:15:13 --> 1:15:15
But in order to do that,

1549
1:15:15 --> 1:15:19
they have to have looked at the clinical data thoroughly,

1550
1:15:19 --> 1:15:22
which means making sure that the clinical record forms,

1551
1:15:22 --> 1:15:27
44,000 record forms, matched the data they were given,

1552
1:15:27 --> 1:15:29
and it wasn't made up.

1553
1:15:29 --> 1:15:32
Did you know a criminal investigation was launched

1554
1:15:32 --> 1:15:34
by the Metropolitan Police

1555
1:15:34 --> 1:15:38
on the 20th of December of last year?

1556
1:15:38 --> 1:15:41
I do, but I don't know if it's been filed.

1557
1:15:42 --> 1:15:46
One of the two people named, the main people named,

1558
1:15:46 --> 1:15:51
was Dr. June Raine, who's the medical doctor at the MHRA.

1559
1:15:51 --> 1:15:54
Okay, well, that's interesting, because that...

1560
1:15:54 --> 1:15:57
And the other person named was Charlie Massey,

1561
1:15:57 --> 1:16:00
who is the chairman, sorry,

1562
1:16:00 --> 1:16:03
the chief executive of the General Medical Council.

1563
1:16:03 --> 1:16:03
Right.

1564
1:16:04 --> 1:16:06
I mean, I think, and I'm sad to say,

1565
1:16:06 --> 1:16:08
I think maybe that's the only way to go,

1566
1:16:08 --> 1:16:09
but that's for another day.

1567
1:16:10 --> 1:16:14
Okay, my question to you, Sam, my last call is,

1568
1:16:14 --> 1:16:17
would you be prepared to give, and you, Mickalai,

1569
1:16:17 --> 1:16:20
would you prepare, I know Mickalai may prefer

1570
1:16:20 --> 1:16:23
to hang around in the background, and that's fine,

1571
1:16:23 --> 1:16:26
but would you be prepared to give evidence

1572
1:16:26 --> 1:16:28
to the Metropolitan Police?

1573
1:16:29 --> 1:16:31
So I can help you there, Stephen,

1574
1:16:31 --> 1:16:35
for two reasons, maybe the same for Mickalai.

1575
1:16:35 --> 1:16:38
So number one, I'm a clinician, so as soon as I go on,

1576
1:16:38 --> 1:16:41
I'm asking these questions now, Mickalai is the expert,

1577
1:16:41 --> 1:16:44
because I know that these things exist

1578
1:16:44 --> 1:16:48
because of my training, but if I was to go as an expert,

1579
1:16:48 --> 1:16:50
I'd be useless to you, because that'd be,

1580
1:16:50 --> 1:16:52
so they'll just say, because I know what happens in court,

1581
1:16:52 --> 1:16:53
they'll just say, oh, well, you haven't been...

1582
1:16:53 --> 1:16:56
No, it's not court, it's a criminal investigation.

1583
1:16:56 --> 1:16:58
No, but I don't have standing

1584
1:16:58 --> 1:17:00
for a criminal investigation there.

1585
1:17:00 --> 1:17:01
But the second thing that will happen,

1586
1:17:01 --> 1:17:02
I'll tell you what will happen,

1587
1:17:02 --> 1:17:05
and this is why I have to use my words carefully as well,

1588
1:17:05 --> 1:17:06
and even with this being recorded,

1589
1:17:06 --> 1:17:11
I hope that people on this chat will not use this...

1590
1:17:11 --> 1:17:11
No, no, no.

1591
1:17:11 --> 1:17:16
Out of context, because as you will know, in Australia,

1592
1:17:17 --> 1:17:19
there is an edict which has gone out saying

1593
1:17:19 --> 1:17:21
that all registered doctors in Australia

1594
1:17:21 --> 1:17:25
are not allowed to give negative information

1595
1:17:25 --> 1:17:28
or information that could be construed as negative

1596
1:17:28 --> 1:17:32
about the COVID vaccines that is not scientifically based.

1597
1:17:32 --> 1:17:34
Now, everything I say has scientific merit,

1598
1:17:34 --> 1:17:37
and I'm sure Michalaj will agree with me there,

1599
1:17:38 --> 1:17:40
but if not, he should say so now.

1600
1:17:40 --> 1:17:45
Well, I think that, yes, the organization was in place

1601
1:17:48 --> 1:17:50
in order to profit the most,

1602
1:17:50 --> 1:17:53
as much as possible from any pandemic,

1603
1:17:53 --> 1:17:55
and I believe that was already pre-built.

1604
1:17:55 --> 1:17:58
Yes, it sounds conspiratorial,

1605
1:17:58 --> 1:18:01
but that's because we have to appreciate

1606
1:18:01 --> 1:18:03
that we knew there was going to be a pandemic,

1607
1:18:03 --> 1:18:06
and we knew that most likely it's going to be coronavirus.

1608
1:18:06 --> 1:18:08
That's why in the last two decades,

1609
1:18:08 --> 1:18:12
there was tons of preparation for the possibility

1610
1:18:12 --> 1:18:14
of coronavirus pandemic taking place,

1611
1:18:14 --> 1:18:18
and I think the system that we organized itself

1612
1:18:18 --> 1:18:21
in order to be able to take full advantage of it

1613
1:18:21 --> 1:18:26
in order to execute the use of vaccination properly

1614
1:18:27 --> 1:18:30
and then make lots of money off of it.

1615
1:18:30 --> 1:18:33
Nevertheless, I still believe

1616
1:18:33 --> 1:18:37
that this would not have been the population agenda.

1617
1:18:37 --> 1:18:39
Sorry if I disagree with anyone here.

1618
1:18:39 --> 1:18:42
I actually thought people were hoping to help

1619
1:18:42 --> 1:18:45
and make tons of money and maybe accidentally screwed up

1620
1:18:45 --> 1:18:50
by pushing this too far, but my simple explanation,

1621
1:18:50 --> 1:18:55
I agree, does not explain as to why vaccines are pushed

1622
1:18:56 --> 1:19:00
so heavily at the expense of anything else,

1623
1:19:00 --> 1:19:03
but I think that's simply justified by money

1624
1:19:03 --> 1:19:08
because one thing you could be doing is obviously treating

1625
1:19:08 --> 1:19:11
people with COVID-19 with some really,

1626
1:19:11 --> 1:19:13
really cheap therapeutics,

1627
1:19:13 --> 1:19:17
and those have been completely removed from the equation.

1628
1:19:17 --> 1:19:18
Why?

1629
1:19:18 --> 1:19:21
Because one, you need to pay quite a bit of money for,

1630
1:19:21 --> 1:19:23
and the other one, you pay pennies.

1631
1:19:23 --> 1:19:24
Yes, but there's another thing-

1632
1:19:24 --> 1:19:25
This is why we don't investigate-

1633
1:19:25 --> 1:19:27
Nikolai, there's another reason,

1634
1:19:27 --> 1:19:29
and that is that you can't get

1635
1:19:29 --> 1:19:33
an emergency use authorization, certainly in the US,

1636
1:19:34 --> 1:19:37
if you've got effective treatments.

1637
1:19:37 --> 1:19:39
Correct, correct.

1638
1:19:39 --> 1:19:43
Yes, and that's why I think a lot of it was people

1639
1:19:43 --> 1:19:46
were hoping we're going to be heroes and get rich.

1640
1:19:46 --> 1:19:49
No, but I think it's more than that

1641
1:19:49 --> 1:19:53
because lockdowns, the masks, the social distancing,

1642
1:19:53 --> 1:19:56
this is all human medical experimentation.

1643
1:19:56 --> 1:19:57
There's no precedent for it.

1644
1:19:57 --> 1:19:59
There's no medical justification for it.

1645
1:19:59 --> 1:20:01
I was saying that very early on,

1646
1:20:01 --> 1:20:06
and so the whole thing was a huge medical experiment,

1647
1:20:07 --> 1:20:11
and it was worldwide, and it came at the same time worldwide,

1648
1:20:11 --> 1:20:12
so it was clearly planned.

1649
1:20:12 --> 1:20:14
There was no way it was not planned.

1650
1:20:14 --> 1:20:18
Wait, I'll give you a different possibility,

1651
1:20:18 --> 1:20:23
I think, which you might be absolutely correct, Stephen.

1652
1:20:23 --> 1:20:26
I'll just give you another possibility to think.

1653
1:20:26 --> 1:20:30
One of the things, this is on an individual scale,

1654
1:20:30 --> 1:20:33
I think happens as well as on a population scale,

1655
1:20:33 --> 1:20:38
is when in a context of fear or paranoia,

1656
1:20:38 --> 1:20:41
such as we experience with this pandemic,

1657
1:20:41 --> 1:20:45
people throw logic and reason out the window

1658
1:20:45 --> 1:20:48
and start behaving and copying each other.

1659
1:20:48 --> 1:20:50
I actually think we started copying each other en masse,

1660
1:20:50 --> 1:20:53
whether this made any sense or not.

1661
1:20:53 --> 1:20:55
And in the same way, to support my argument,

1662
1:20:55 --> 1:20:58
I think we're about to see the reverse,

1663
1:20:58 --> 1:21:00
where we're about to start realizing,

1664
1:21:00 --> 1:21:03
okay, this was a mistake, this is an action embarrassment,

1665
1:21:03 --> 1:21:06
what we did, and we're going to start very rapidly,

1666
1:21:06 --> 1:21:11
start reversing, including mopping up the damage and so on.

1667
1:21:12 --> 1:21:15
So I think we're, and people will start copying each other,

1668
1:21:15 --> 1:21:18
our population societies will very quickly

1669
1:21:18 --> 1:21:21
start copying each other once again, in this case,

1670
1:21:21 --> 1:21:24
by throwing the mandates out the window

1671
1:21:24 --> 1:21:26
and try to fix the problems.

1672
1:21:26 --> 1:21:29
Well, Mikolaj, they've just done that in the UK.

1673
1:21:29 --> 1:21:32
Yesterday, they announced that they're not going to.

1674
1:21:33 --> 1:21:34
That's right, right?

1675
1:21:34 --> 1:21:37
And you can see how rapidly things are changing in Europe.

1676
1:21:38 --> 1:21:42
So you have now multiple countries that are simply saying,

1677
1:21:42 --> 1:21:45
no, we're done with this, done with mandates,

1678
1:21:45 --> 1:21:48
done with COVID-19 restrictions.

1679
1:21:48 --> 1:21:50
Come on, Stephen.

1680
1:21:50 --> 1:21:52
That's enough, Stephen, of questions from you.

1681
1:21:52 --> 1:21:53
Let's get into the other questions,

1682
1:21:53 --> 1:21:55
because Mikolaj will have to go

1683
1:21:55 --> 1:21:56
and then he won't answer the questions.

1684
1:21:56 --> 1:21:58
So Sam, if you'd drop your hand down, please.

1685
1:21:58 --> 1:22:00
Thank you for your contribution.

1686
1:22:00 --> 1:22:02
Gary Finkelstein, you're first.

1687
1:22:02 --> 1:22:04
And all of the hands up are normal questioners,

1688
1:22:04 --> 1:22:07
so we're going in order, Gary.

1689
1:22:07 --> 1:22:08
Okay, yeah, thank you.

1690
1:22:08 --> 1:22:10
So I had a quick question for Mikolaj,

1691
1:22:10 --> 1:22:11
which at the very start,

1692
1:22:11 --> 1:22:13
he said he was able to avoid the censor.

1693
1:22:13 --> 1:22:18
So I'm kind of keen to understand how he did that.

1694
1:22:19 --> 1:22:22
And for Sam, the...

1695
1:22:25 --> 1:22:26
Gosh, what was the...

1696
1:22:29 --> 1:22:30
I forgot my question.

1697
1:22:30 --> 1:22:32
Let's just stick to the first one.

1698
1:22:32 --> 1:22:34
It'll come to me in a second.

1699
1:22:34 --> 1:22:36
Okay, so two things.

1700
1:22:36 --> 1:22:40
Number one, I only discuss science

1701
1:22:40 --> 1:22:41
and what's presented in science

1702
1:22:41 --> 1:22:43
and I remove personal opinions

1703
1:22:43 --> 1:22:45
and I only stick to the science.

1704
1:22:45 --> 1:22:47
Therefore, I'm strictly talking about

1705
1:22:47 --> 1:22:50
what is already part of public domain.

1706
1:22:50 --> 1:22:52
And while I discuss it,

1707
1:22:52 --> 1:22:56
I try to avoid any type of language

1708
1:22:56 --> 1:23:00
that would be negative towards together,

1709
1:23:00 --> 1:23:03
that would be negative towards vaccination program.

1710
1:23:03 --> 1:23:06
So then a lot of the message is implied

1711
1:23:08 --> 1:23:09
and I get attacked for it,

1712
1:23:09 --> 1:23:11
because people are confused as to

1713
1:23:11 --> 1:23:12
where I stand,

1714
1:23:12 --> 1:23:14
I get accused for being anti-vaxxer and pro-vaxxer.

1715
1:23:15 --> 1:23:17
So that's the trick.

1716
1:23:17 --> 1:23:22
So public domain information without opinions,

1717
1:23:22 --> 1:23:24
I try, of course I'm opinionated,

1718
1:23:24 --> 1:23:26
but I try and it's not easy.

1719
1:23:26 --> 1:23:29
And then how I put the words together

1720
1:23:29 --> 1:23:33
so that I do not disparage vaccination program directly,

1721
1:23:33 --> 1:23:34
because then the video will be out.

1722
1:23:34 --> 1:23:35
Yeah, okay.

1723
1:23:35 --> 1:23:37
And I get it down for one video.

1724
1:23:37 --> 1:23:39
So my bigger question is,

1725
1:23:40 --> 1:23:44
I understand the gist that I'm getting from both of you

1726
1:23:44 --> 1:23:47
is that this is an experimental vaccine

1727
1:23:48 --> 1:23:52
and we're still learning and the data still coming out.

1728
1:23:53 --> 1:23:56
I mean, the flip side for some people,

1729
1:23:56 --> 1:24:00
they were facing a coronavirus,

1730
1:24:00 --> 1:24:01
which was very dangerous to them

1731
1:24:01 --> 1:24:03
if they were in certain age groups

1732
1:24:03 --> 1:24:05
and certain comorbidities.

1733
1:24:05 --> 1:24:07
So my million dollar question to you guys is,

1734
1:24:07 --> 1:24:12
are you in favor of the vaccine for some age groups

1735
1:24:16 --> 1:24:18
during the pandemic?

1736
1:24:18 --> 1:24:20
I mean, when the pandemic's behind us and so forth,

1737
1:24:20 --> 1:24:21
it might've changed,

1738
1:24:21 --> 1:24:23
but was there a time during this pandemic

1739
1:24:23 --> 1:24:26
where it was worth the risk to have the vaccine?

1740
1:24:27 --> 1:24:29
Personally, I would say absolutely.

1741
1:24:29 --> 1:24:34
And people, I think people are not stupid.

1742
1:24:34 --> 1:24:35
They can act stupid,

1743
1:24:35 --> 1:24:38
but overall, I think people in general are very smart.

1744
1:24:38 --> 1:24:40
I think people know this was experimental

1745
1:24:40 --> 1:24:41
and people still lined up

1746
1:24:41 --> 1:24:43
because of fear of what might happen.

1747
1:24:43 --> 1:24:46
I think if we vaccinated only high-risk group,

1748
1:24:46 --> 1:24:51
we actually might've been able to reach herd immunity

1749
1:24:51 --> 1:24:54
and clearly the vaccine,

1750
1:24:54 --> 1:24:56
whatever its long-term consequences might be,

1751
1:24:56 --> 1:24:59
remember who we were vaccinating at the beginning,

1752
1:24:59 --> 1:25:00
only healthcare workers,

1753
1:25:00 --> 1:25:03
and they should have had the freedom to say yes or no.

1754
1:25:03 --> 1:25:04
And then elderly individuals.

1755
1:25:04 --> 1:25:07
And then elderly individuals who are clearly

1756
1:25:09 --> 1:25:11
encompass the largest group of victims

1757
1:25:11 --> 1:25:14
of the disease, COVID-19 disease.

1758
1:25:14 --> 1:25:18
So even if there's long-term consequences,

1759
1:25:18 --> 1:25:21
you already happen to be at the end of life, right?

1760
1:25:21 --> 1:25:24
So then you want to survive the next few years,

1761
1:25:24 --> 1:25:27
irrespective of what might happen to you 15 years later,

1762
1:25:27 --> 1:25:31
where you're likely going to succumb to other problems

1763
1:25:31 --> 1:25:33
because of the fact that as we age,

1764
1:25:33 --> 1:25:35
well, that's what happens.

1765
1:25:35 --> 1:25:40
So absolutely I would have been for it and I was,

1766
1:25:40 --> 1:25:44
but the people who are not in a high-risk group,

1767
1:25:44 --> 1:25:46
they did not have to vaccinate themselves.

1768
1:25:46 --> 1:25:49
And I believe we might've created a mistake

1769
1:25:49 --> 1:25:52
where we unfortunately over-vaccinated.

1770
1:25:52 --> 1:25:55
And because of that, we altered the evolution of the virus.

1771
1:25:56 --> 1:25:58
And I do talk about that in one of my videos,

1772
1:25:58 --> 1:26:01
but again, it's a clever way of doing it.

1773
1:26:01 --> 1:26:04
Sam, do you agree with that?

1774
1:26:04 --> 1:26:06
I was hoping you wouldn't ask me that question.

1775
1:26:06 --> 1:26:11
So my view is a purely pragmatic and ethical view,

1776
1:26:11 --> 1:26:16
which is a bit like old Donald Trump's,

1777
1:26:18 --> 1:26:19
whatever, right to try.

1778
1:26:19 --> 1:26:22
So there was a pandemic, whether it was, you know,

1779
1:26:22 --> 1:26:24
manufactured or not, we know the answer to that,

1780
1:26:24 --> 1:26:26
but that's for another day.

1781
1:26:26 --> 1:26:30
And there were people that were scared of the pandemic.

1782
1:26:30 --> 1:26:35
And for those people, I mean, I sent some of our older staff

1783
1:26:35 --> 1:26:38
said, go and get your vaccine, go and get your vaccine.

1784
1:26:38 --> 1:26:40
But it's an investigational treatment.

1785
1:26:40 --> 1:26:44
So you never knew whether that was going to help you or not.

1786
1:26:44 --> 1:26:46
So the only possibility was,

1787
1:26:46 --> 1:26:51
did you feel better in yourself going to get that therapy?

1788
1:26:51 --> 1:26:53
And I'm completely on the side,

1789
1:26:53 --> 1:26:56
absolutely 100% of early treatments, 100%.

1790
1:26:56 --> 1:26:59
I wrote a paper with David Wiseman.

1791
1:26:59 --> 1:27:00
100% too.

1792
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Yeah, but that's not the question.

1793
1:27:02 --> 1:27:04
If you wanted to do this properly and ethically,

1794
1:27:04 --> 1:27:07
what you would have done is,

1795
1:27:07 --> 1:27:10
A, not create chimeric viruses in the first place.

1796
1:27:10 --> 1:27:13
But once you had created chimeric viruses,

1797
1:27:13 --> 1:27:16
is you release the treatments that we knew worked

1798
1:27:16 --> 1:27:18
for those chimeric viruses,

1799
1:27:18 --> 1:27:20
which is hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin,

1800
1:27:20 --> 1:27:23
the vitamin supplements, all those things,

1801
1:27:23 --> 1:27:27
and the vaccines that you've developed at short notice,

1802
1:27:27 --> 1:27:31
you let people choose what they want to use.

1803
1:27:31 --> 1:27:33
And what you don't do is tell people

1804
1:27:33 --> 1:27:35
what they have to put in their body

1805
1:27:35 --> 1:27:37
in order to go to work or go to the shop.

1806
1:27:37 --> 1:27:38
Okay, fine.

1807
1:27:43 --> 1:27:45
Just a quick yes or no.

1808
1:27:45 --> 1:27:48
I'm going to assume that you're not a fan

1809
1:27:48 --> 1:27:53
of the TGA's edict from the way you answered that question.

1810
1:27:53 --> 1:27:56
So for Australia, that's the APRA edict.

1811
1:27:56 --> 1:28:00
APRA edict was written, published on the 9th of March.

1812
1:28:00 --> 1:28:03
I am not allowed to say whether I'm in favor of it

1813
1:28:03 --> 1:28:04
or not in favor of it,

1814
1:28:04 --> 1:28:07
because that would be against the APRA edict,

1815
1:28:07 --> 1:28:08
and I would be deregistered.

1816
1:28:09 --> 1:28:12
What I am allowed to say is that we know

1817
1:28:12 --> 1:28:16
that APRA were requested by a freedom of information request

1818
1:28:16 --> 1:28:21
to show the emails behind that edict,

1819
1:28:21 --> 1:28:24
which came from the pharmacy board and have refused.

1820
1:28:24 --> 1:28:26
Wow, okay, thank you.

1821
1:28:27 --> 1:28:28
Thank you, Sam.

1822
1:28:28 --> 1:28:30
On that, I am Australian,

1823
1:28:30 --> 1:28:32
and I am involved with a number of doctors

1824
1:28:32 --> 1:28:33
being attacked by APRA.

1825
1:28:33 --> 1:28:35
I can speak out, I do speak out.

1826
1:28:35 --> 1:28:39
APRA is corrupt, criminal, conflicted.

1827
1:28:39 --> 1:28:44
TGA is corrupt, criminal, conflicted.

1828
1:28:44 --> 1:28:47
I am involved in a number of court cases.

1829
1:28:47 --> 1:28:51
I'm dealing with hundreds of doctors who refuse to be jabbed.

1830
1:28:51 --> 1:28:54
And I am in the business of using words,

1831
1:28:54 --> 1:28:57
just like Sam, you and Mickalai,

1832
1:28:57 --> 1:28:59
the words are magnificent words.

1833
1:28:59 --> 1:29:00
Like this is magnificent stuff.

1834
1:29:00 --> 1:29:04
But if you have the legal conversation here with the lawyers,

1835
1:29:04 --> 1:29:07
we could use words that people don't understand as well.

1836
1:29:07 --> 1:29:12
The word pandemic has been bandied around today, ad nauseam.

1837
1:29:13 --> 1:29:15
You all know the definition of pandemic

1838
1:29:15 --> 1:29:18
has been changed by the who, corruptly.

1839
1:29:18 --> 1:29:23
So this whole issue of, by the way,

1840
1:29:24 --> 1:29:27
I have documentary evidence in Australia

1841
1:29:27 --> 1:29:29
that will be used in court cases

1842
1:29:29 --> 1:29:34
that APRA claims it only regulates badly behaving doctors,

1843
1:29:35 --> 1:29:37
but it doesn't regulate doctors.

1844
1:29:37 --> 1:29:40
So they're fraudulent in their publications as well.

1845
1:29:40 --> 1:29:43
And I have a document that proves the fraud

1846
1:29:43 --> 1:29:46
behind the whole vaccination structure in Australia,

1847
1:29:46 --> 1:29:49
the NHS, the immunization handbook,

1848
1:29:49 --> 1:29:51
not the vaccination handle.

1849
1:29:51 --> 1:29:54
So everybody don't fool yourselves

1850
1:29:54 --> 1:29:58
that these regulators are behaving properly

1851
1:29:58 --> 1:29:59
because they're not.

1852
1:29:59 --> 1:30:00
Theresa, your question.

1853
1:30:02 --> 1:30:03
Hi, thank you, Charles.

1854
1:30:04 --> 1:30:09
Right, my question is, hang on, let me just, right, okay.

1855
1:30:11 --> 1:30:13
I've been following this from the start.

1856
1:30:13 --> 1:30:17
My first fears about the vaccine would be

1857
1:30:17 --> 1:30:19
that it would introduce some kind

1858
1:30:19 --> 1:30:23
of antibody dependence enhancement illness.

1859
1:30:23 --> 1:30:26
But I've been trying to learn about it for two years now.

1860
1:30:27 --> 1:30:30
I've learned from Dr. Sukharid Bhakhti

1861
1:30:30 --> 1:30:33
that what happens when you're injected

1862
1:30:33 --> 1:30:37
is that the mRNA doesn't stay in the injection site

1863
1:30:37 --> 1:30:38
like we were promised.

1864
1:30:39 --> 1:30:41
It travels, it gets into your bloodstream,

1865
1:30:41 --> 1:30:43
it gets into your lymphatic system,

1866
1:30:44 --> 1:30:47
where it causes your CD8 and CD4 cells,

1867
1:30:47 --> 1:30:51
your CD8 killer T cells and your CD4 H cell

1868
1:30:51 --> 1:30:53
to express the spike protein.

1869
1:30:55 --> 1:30:58
Can you mute Simon there?

1870
1:30:58 --> 1:31:03
So I learned that once they start to express

1871
1:31:05 --> 1:31:09
the spike protein, they start to look suspiciously

1872
1:31:09 --> 1:31:11
like viruses to each other.

1873
1:31:11 --> 1:31:14
So your CD8 and CD4 start to, they kill themselves,

1874
1:31:14 --> 1:31:17
they kill each other, antibodies are produced

1875
1:31:17 --> 1:31:21
that destroy them and antibody complements.

1876
1:31:21 --> 1:31:24
So your innate immune system begins to die off,

1877
1:31:24 --> 1:31:29
which prevents you from fighting cancers.

1878
1:31:29 --> 1:31:31
It also prevents you from fighting

1879
1:31:31 --> 1:31:34
opportunistic infections.

1880
1:31:34 --> 1:31:37
Now, at the same time, it would appear

1881
1:31:37 --> 1:31:39
that the spike protein, the very same spike protein,

1882
1:31:39 --> 1:31:43
is able to get into the nuclei of your cells

1883
1:31:43 --> 1:31:48
and basically interfere with your ability to fight cancers.

1884
1:31:48 --> 1:31:53
So at the same time as, well, sorry,

1885
1:31:53 --> 1:31:57
interfere with your ability to repair your DNA,

1886
1:31:57 --> 1:31:58
which can spark cancers.

1887
1:31:58 --> 1:32:02
So you can't fight cancer at the same time

1888
1:32:02 --> 1:32:04
as it's likely to be kicking off cancer.

1889
1:32:04 --> 1:32:06
Now, several people that I know have now died

1890
1:32:06 --> 1:32:08
of very sudden, very aggressive cancers.

1891
1:32:08 --> 1:32:11
My cousin, I begged her not to get jabbed.

1892
1:32:11 --> 1:32:16
She died within weeks of getting the vaccination, okay?

1893
1:32:16 --> 1:32:19
My auntie had a sharp pain in her chest.

1894
1:32:19 --> 1:32:21
She ended up collapsing.

1895
1:32:21 --> 1:32:22
She ended up in hospital.

1896
1:32:22 --> 1:32:24
She didn't live very long after that.

1897
1:32:25 --> 1:32:29
A friend's brother-in-law, he was vaccinated.

1898
1:32:29 --> 1:32:32
He seemed to be fine, no history of any illness,

1899
1:32:32 --> 1:32:34
collapsed in the kitchen, got taken to hospital.

1900
1:32:34 --> 1:32:37
They had scans and basically they said

1901
1:32:38 --> 1:32:40
he had stage four cancer.

1902
1:32:40 --> 1:32:41
He was riddled with it.

1903
1:32:41 --> 1:32:43
He was dead within three days, okay?

1904
1:32:43 --> 1:32:46
And I'm hearing so much of this stuff.

1905
1:32:46 --> 1:32:50
My friend Tammy, her mom and her mom's two sisters,

1906
1:32:50 --> 1:32:52
all three sisters went and had the Pfizer jab.

1907
1:32:52 --> 1:32:54
Teresa, what's the question?

1908
1:32:54 --> 1:32:59
Well, my question is, okay, if this thing,

1909
1:32:59 --> 1:33:02
I'm just gonna say, all three ladies have strokes.

1910
1:33:02 --> 1:33:04
Two of them are dead, one's in a wheelchair, okay?

1911
1:33:04 --> 1:33:07
This is happening to everybody that I know.

1912
1:33:07 --> 1:33:09
Everybody that I know knows somebody that's died

1913
1:33:09 --> 1:33:11
as a result of these vaccines.

1914
1:33:11 --> 1:33:13
We need to have this conversation.

1915
1:33:13 --> 1:33:16
So my question for you is,

1916
1:33:16 --> 1:33:18
if we know that it's preventing your ability

1917
1:33:18 --> 1:33:20
to fight cancers, if we know that it's increasing

1918
1:33:20 --> 1:33:22
your chance of developing cancers,

1919
1:33:22 --> 1:33:26
if we know that spike protein injected into macaque monkeys

1920
1:33:26 --> 1:33:29
cause Lewy bodies to be expressed in their brains,

1921
1:33:29 --> 1:33:32
if we know that half a percent of all the batches

1922
1:33:32 --> 1:33:36
appear to be quite severely cardio toxic,

1923
1:33:38 --> 1:33:41
doesn't it kind of look a little bit suspicious

1924
1:33:41 --> 1:33:43
that we're now all being coerced

1925
1:33:43 --> 1:33:45
into having this vaccination?

1926
1:33:45 --> 1:33:47
I would just like your thoughts on that

1927
1:33:47 --> 1:33:49
in this nice, safe environment amongst people

1928
1:33:49 --> 1:33:54
who kind of understand that there's more to this

1929
1:33:54 --> 1:33:56
than just greed and money.

1930
1:33:58 --> 1:34:01
It is crazy suspicious.

1931
1:34:01 --> 1:34:06
Everything from the start of last year is suspicious.

1932
1:34:08 --> 1:34:10
Look what's happening to doctors,

1933
1:34:10 --> 1:34:13
how doctors are being treated and abused

1934
1:34:13 --> 1:34:14
along the process.

1935
1:34:14 --> 1:34:15
Nothing is normal here.

1936
1:34:15 --> 1:34:17
We all know that.

1937
1:34:17 --> 1:34:18
Sure.

1938
1:34:18 --> 1:34:22
And we can keep saying it, keep saying it.

1939
1:34:22 --> 1:34:26
And I don't know what it's going to take.

1940
1:34:26 --> 1:34:30
I actually, but luckily the narrative is collapsing

1941
1:34:30 --> 1:34:33
thanks to an immune escape variant

1942
1:34:33 --> 1:34:35
in the shape of the Omicron.

1943
1:34:35 --> 1:34:38
But of course everything is bizarre.

1944
1:34:38 --> 1:34:38
We know this.

1945
1:34:39 --> 1:34:41
Doctors have never been mistreated

1946
1:34:41 --> 1:34:44
like they have been mistreated now, never.

1947
1:34:44 --> 1:34:46
It's bizarre.

1948
1:34:46 --> 1:34:49
The standard that have been dropped,

1949
1:34:49 --> 1:34:53
the standards, and this is why medicine and science

1950
1:34:53 --> 1:34:57
I find is so fascinating is because those are the areas

1951
1:34:57 --> 1:35:00
of human invention that along the way has created

1952
1:35:00 --> 1:35:04
the highest standard of ethics of treating another person

1953
1:35:05 --> 1:35:06
because of the ethics developed

1954
1:35:06 --> 1:35:08
in order to protect a patient from harm.

1955
1:35:08 --> 1:35:11
It's some of the grandest, the most beautiful ethics

1956
1:35:11 --> 1:35:14
we ever developed when it comes to regard

1957
1:35:14 --> 1:35:18
of proper treatment of another human person's dignity.

1958
1:35:18 --> 1:35:22
And so much of it has fallen apart in the context,

1959
1:35:22 --> 1:35:27
of course, that we have to react to health crisis,

1960
1:35:27 --> 1:35:29
but it makes no sense.

1961
1:35:29 --> 1:35:33
So it was never a health crisis.

1962
1:35:33 --> 1:35:34
Yeah, thank you.

1963
1:35:34 --> 1:35:36
Thank you, Dr. Raszczak.

1964
1:35:36 --> 1:35:36
You're a good man.

1965
1:35:36 --> 1:35:38
Keep doing what you're doing, okay?

1966
1:35:38 --> 1:35:41
You're helping millions.

1967
1:35:41 --> 1:35:42
And Theresa, that was...

1968
1:35:44 --> 1:35:46
Mikolaj, you haven't put your links to your videos there.

1969
1:35:46 --> 1:35:48
Please, you know, you get a whole bunch

1970
1:35:48 --> 1:35:49
of extra subscribers here.

1971
1:35:49 --> 1:35:52
So you really should put that in, Theresa.

1972
1:35:52 --> 1:35:54
So there's the answer.

1973
1:35:54 --> 1:35:55
I love your answer, Mikolaj.

1974
1:35:55 --> 1:35:56
It's crazy suspicious.

1975
1:35:56 --> 1:35:57
I love it, three words.

1976
1:35:59 --> 1:36:01
Well, Sam, you're not...

1977
1:36:01 --> 1:36:05
So Sam, I can speak up, you can.

1978
1:36:05 --> 1:36:06
So, you know, keep going.

1979
1:36:06 --> 1:36:08
I mean, if you wanna say something specifically,

1980
1:36:08 --> 1:36:09
but don't get into trouble.

1981
1:36:09 --> 1:36:13
From a genomics perspective and purely genomics,

1982
1:36:13 --> 1:36:17
back in February, 2020 was when Prashant Pradhan,

1983
1:36:17 --> 1:36:18
who's a very nice guy, you know,

1984
1:36:18 --> 1:36:21
I've spoken to offline, published his paper.

1985
1:36:21 --> 1:36:26
It's called the uncanny similarity of HIV one sequences

1986
1:36:26 --> 1:36:28
to the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine.

1987
1:36:28 --> 1:36:30
And at that time, I looked through that paper

1988
1:36:30 --> 1:36:33
and verified it myself and the blast searches.

1989
1:36:33 --> 1:36:35
Mikolaj can, I'm sure, do the same.

1990
1:36:35 --> 1:36:37
I don't know what his opinion is of that paper,

1991
1:36:37 --> 1:36:40
but I'm 100% sure that that paper is genuine.

1992
1:36:40 --> 1:36:42
And that was removed from the internet

1993
1:36:42 --> 1:36:45
by a combination of Twitter censorship

1994
1:36:45 --> 1:36:48
and attack on a news aggregator called Zero Hedge,

1995
1:36:48 --> 1:36:50
which published around it.

1996
1:36:50 --> 1:36:54
And Pradhan and his group had to go into hiding at that time.

1997
1:36:54 --> 1:36:57
That paper never got republished.

1998
1:36:57 --> 1:36:59
It's a great paper.

1999
1:37:00 --> 1:37:03
And my concern is if that paper had been allowed to stand,

2000
1:37:03 --> 1:37:05
which it should have been,

2001
1:37:05 --> 1:37:09
as a scientifically merited paper,

2002
1:37:09 --> 1:37:13
then the whole course of the pandemic would have changed

2003
1:37:13 --> 1:37:17
because we would know that it was a released vaccine,

2004
1:37:17 --> 1:37:19
that was a released virus that was manufactured.

2005
1:37:19 --> 1:37:21
The proof is in that paper.

2006
1:37:21 --> 1:37:23
The proof is even more emerged since

2007
1:37:23 --> 1:37:26
with the new paper that's come out from another group.

2008
1:37:26 --> 1:37:29
And so if that information was available at the time

2009
1:37:30 --> 1:37:31
and hadn't been sent off the internet,

2010
1:37:31 --> 1:37:33
we would be in a very different position

2011
1:37:33 --> 1:37:36
because we would then be allowed to speak freely

2012
1:37:36 --> 1:37:39
and the treatments would have been allowed.

2013
1:37:39 --> 1:37:39
And I think that's-

2014
1:37:39 --> 1:37:41
Dan, have you got a link to that?

2015
1:37:41 --> 1:37:43
Yeah, I'll post the paper and the thing.

2016
1:37:43 --> 1:37:44
Okay.

2017
1:37:44 --> 1:37:46
Which paper was that again?

2018
1:37:48 --> 1:37:49
And that's Pradhan's.

2019
1:37:49 --> 1:37:53
I'll try and throw a PDF in the chat.

2020
1:37:53 --> 1:37:55
Okay.

2021
1:37:55 --> 1:37:57
Yeah, you can put a PDF in the chat.

2022
1:37:59 --> 1:38:01
Oh no, I can link to the PDF.

2023
1:38:03 --> 1:38:04
Yeah, all the,

2024
1:38:04 --> 1:38:06
all the, you can now load the PDF document, either way.

2025
1:38:06 --> 1:38:07
Well done, Sam.

2026
1:38:07 --> 1:38:08
Thank you.

2027
1:38:08 --> 1:38:09
Thank you for that.

2028
1:38:09 --> 1:38:12
And, and Nicola, I think I love you.

2029
1:38:12 --> 1:38:13
I love those three words.

2030
1:38:13 --> 1:38:15
We're, you know, apostatical, four words.

2031
1:38:15 --> 1:38:17
It is crazy suspicious.

2032
1:38:17 --> 1:38:18
Thank you, Theresa.

2033
1:38:18 --> 1:38:19
Cordelia is next.

2034
1:38:21 --> 1:38:23
Cordelia is a path.

2035
1:38:23 --> 1:38:25
By the way, Nicola, we should give you a bit of a,

2036
1:38:25 --> 1:38:27
we didn't do that right at the start.

2037
1:38:27 --> 1:38:28
There's an interesting,

2038
1:38:28 --> 1:38:31
eclectic group of people in this group,

2039
1:38:31 --> 1:38:35
including scientists, physicists, doctors, lawyers,

2040
1:38:35 --> 1:38:37
ex-lawyers like me.

2041
1:38:37 --> 1:38:38
Police.

2042
1:38:38 --> 1:38:39
Dentists.

2043
1:38:39 --> 1:38:40
What else is there?

2044
1:38:40 --> 1:38:41
Police.

2045
1:38:41 --> 1:38:42
Police, ex-police.

2046
1:38:42 --> 1:38:44
Financiers.

2047
1:38:44 --> 1:38:45
Finances.

2048
1:38:46 --> 1:38:50
How does one join this group or is it per invitation only?

2049
1:38:50 --> 1:38:54
Clearly you guys discussed very fascinating material

2050
1:38:54 --> 1:38:55
for me as a scientist.

2051
1:38:55 --> 1:39:00
There's a number of links that I eagerly wait

2052
1:39:00 --> 1:39:02
to be able to now review.

2053
1:39:02 --> 1:39:07
So to me, this is very, very fertile ground

2054
1:39:07 --> 1:39:10
to be able to expand my knowledge for sure.

2055
1:39:12 --> 1:39:16
You are a member of the group by the fact

2056
1:39:16 --> 1:39:18
that you've been invited to speak.

2057
1:39:19 --> 1:39:22
So that means same Zoom link I'll be able to use

2058
1:39:22 --> 1:39:25
to join you guys in the future.

2059
1:39:26 --> 1:39:28
Actually unofficially, yes, it's the same Zoom link,

2060
1:39:28 --> 1:39:32
but the detail, we have meetings on a Tuesday,

2061
1:39:32 --> 1:39:34
sorry, a Sunday and a Tuesday.

2062
1:39:34 --> 1:39:38
So the Sunday one is at 9 p.m. London time

2063
1:39:38 --> 1:39:42
and the Tuesday one is at 8 p.m. Tuesday time.

2064
1:39:42 --> 1:39:46
Sorry, 8 p.m. London time, the Tuesday one.

2065
1:39:46 --> 1:39:51
And so I send out the invitations and I will include you

2066
1:39:52 --> 1:39:55
and some you get the invitations anyway, don't you?

2067
1:39:57 --> 1:39:58
Do you?

2068
1:39:58 --> 1:39:59
Wonderful.

2069
1:40:00 --> 1:40:01
Yeah, it does.

2070
1:40:01 --> 1:40:03
So, Mikola, you're now on the list.

2071
1:40:03 --> 1:40:05
Yeah, I knew you were gonna say yeah.

2072
1:40:05 --> 1:40:07
Yeah, so Mikola, you're now on the list.

2073
1:40:07 --> 1:40:08
Well done, Stephen.

2074
1:40:08 --> 1:40:10
Cordelia is a pathologist.

2075
1:40:10 --> 1:40:12
We've got a UK pathologist.

2076
1:40:12 --> 1:40:13
Hi, thanks.

2077
1:40:13 --> 1:40:15
Yeah, I just want to ask a question.

2078
1:40:15 --> 1:40:18
When the RNA is in the cell

2079
1:40:18 --> 1:40:22
and presumably there's no off button,

2080
1:40:22 --> 1:40:26
so how come then after a few months the antibodies go down?

2081
1:40:26 --> 1:40:28
Is it because the cells divide

2082
1:40:28 --> 1:40:32
and then the body clears itself off the RNA?

2083
1:40:32 --> 1:40:35
Or how does it work that the,

2084
1:40:35 --> 1:40:37
I mean, this is why we're supposed to have boosters

2085
1:40:37 --> 1:40:40
every four months or so, because the antibodies drop.

2086
1:40:40 --> 1:40:45
So how come the RNA is not active after a while anymore?

2087
1:40:46 --> 1:40:48
So this has nothing to do with the RNA.

2088
1:40:48 --> 1:40:51
So they're going to be independent mechanisms

2089
1:40:51 --> 1:40:55
because RNA lifespan, expected lifespan,

2090
1:40:55 --> 1:40:58
would have been mere hours.

2091
1:40:58 --> 1:41:01
We're talking about, now when you're discussing,

2092
1:41:01 --> 1:41:06
we're discussing the 5' and 3' UTR regions of those.

2093
1:41:08 --> 1:41:11
Okay, I didn't check the 3' but the 5'

2094
1:41:11 --> 1:41:14
which was consisted of the Globin UTR,

2095
1:41:15 --> 1:41:18
which was put in there in order to actually

2096
1:41:18 --> 1:41:23
expend the lifespan of the existence of mRNA.

2097
1:41:23 --> 1:41:26
And that's Globin, it's from Globin,

2098
1:41:26 --> 1:41:29
which is the gene used in red blood cells

2099
1:41:29 --> 1:41:31
so that we can carry oxygen.

2100
1:41:31 --> 1:41:34
And that's one of the longer living mRNAs

2101
1:41:34 --> 1:41:37
because red blood cells don't have nucleus.

2102
1:41:37 --> 1:41:41
So once that RNA is there, once it's gone, it's gone.

2103
1:41:41 --> 1:41:42
There's no way of producing more.

2104
1:41:42 --> 1:41:47
And so nature has devised a way so that it can last longer.

2105
1:41:47 --> 1:41:51
And we're talking about maybe between 24 to 30 hours

2106
1:41:51 --> 1:41:53
lifespan of that mRNA.

2107
1:41:53 --> 1:41:55
So then I would extrapolate, and I'm guessing

2108
1:41:55 --> 1:41:59
no one truly knows, is that that would be similar lifespan

2109
1:41:59 --> 1:42:01
of the mRNA of that vaccine.

2110
1:42:01 --> 1:42:04
Of course, there's a lot of shenanigans going on,

2111
1:42:04 --> 1:42:07
meaning there's a lot of manipulation going on.

2112
1:42:07 --> 1:42:11
There's the 3' UTR that Sam was mentioning,

2113
1:42:11 --> 1:42:13
plus there's different chemicals used

2114
1:42:13 --> 1:42:17
in the production of mRNA that are found in nature,

2115
1:42:17 --> 1:42:19
maybe they influence lifespan.

2116
1:42:19 --> 1:42:21
But the take home message here is that RNA

2117
1:42:21 --> 1:42:23
will disappear fast.

2118
1:42:23 --> 1:42:27
So it's the lifespan of the protein

2119
1:42:27 --> 1:42:31
that then appears to be very long lasting.

2120
1:42:31 --> 1:42:33
Now, in terms of the antibodies,

2121
1:42:33 --> 1:42:36
that's one of, don't fully understand it,

2122
1:42:36 --> 1:42:39
that's one of the mystery of the coronaviruses.

2123
1:42:39 --> 1:42:42
My understanding is that coronavirus antibodies

2124
1:42:42 --> 1:42:45
normally just don't last for a long time.

2125
1:42:45 --> 1:42:49
And that was understood prior to vaccination.

2126
1:42:49 --> 1:42:51
And it was understood that most likely,

2127
1:42:51 --> 1:42:54
if we're going to focus on vaccines related

2128
1:42:54 --> 1:42:57
to production of antibodies, they're not gonna last

2129
1:42:57 --> 1:43:01
for more than a few months because that was already known.

2130
1:43:01 --> 1:43:03
So whether it has to do with the fact that

2131
1:43:04 --> 1:43:09
the antibodies we're producing are mostly IgGs,

2132
1:43:09 --> 1:43:11
which are blood antibodies.

2133
1:43:11 --> 1:43:16
And blood antibodies are fantastic when you have,

2134
1:43:16 --> 1:43:19
where the virus, when you're trying to attack a virus

2135
1:43:19 --> 1:43:21
that needs to be transmitted through blood,

2136
1:43:21 --> 1:43:25
but that doesn't actually happen frequently with COVID-19.

2137
1:43:25 --> 1:43:29
Most of it is mucosal, the area of course

2138
1:43:29 --> 1:43:31
in your breathing area, right?

2139
1:43:31 --> 1:43:34
And those are different antibodies.

2140
1:43:34 --> 1:43:38
Maybe that's one of the reasons why the antibodies wane

2141
1:43:38 --> 1:43:41
because as far as I understand, we're not looking for IgAs,

2142
1:43:41 --> 1:43:43
which are the mucosal ones, we're looking for,

2143
1:43:43 --> 1:43:46
when we measure these antibodies, we're measuring IgGs.

2144
1:43:46 --> 1:43:49
So it's been known that they don't last long.

2145
1:43:50 --> 1:43:53
And it's not a surprise at all, in my opinion,

2146
1:43:53 --> 1:43:56
that in three, four months they're gone

2147
1:43:56 --> 1:43:58
because that's what we've always observed

2148
1:43:58 --> 1:44:03
with antibodies, IgG antibodies related to coronavirus.

2149
1:44:03 --> 1:44:05
That's at least my understanding.

2150
1:44:05 --> 1:44:07
Now keep in mind that all of my understanding

2151
1:44:07 --> 1:44:11
is just by reading literature here, literature there,

2152
1:44:11 --> 1:44:14
and I'm collaging that information together

2153
1:44:14 --> 1:44:15
as I go along.

2154
1:44:16 --> 1:44:21
And you know, they keep saying that the cause of disease

2155
1:44:22 --> 1:44:24
is much milder than the vaccination,

2156
1:44:24 --> 1:44:27
but how do they know that without a control group?

2157
1:44:27 --> 1:44:29
It's just a mystery to me.

2158
1:44:29 --> 1:44:32
Cause when they die from COVID after double vaccination,

2159
1:44:32 --> 1:44:35
nobody says, oh, it could have been much worse.

2160
1:44:35 --> 1:44:39
But why do they say it on BBC

2161
1:44:39 --> 1:44:41
when they haven't got a control group?

2162
1:44:42 --> 1:44:46
Well, I mean, this is a logical question in my opinion

2163
1:44:46 --> 1:44:51
is because clearly you wanting to understand

2164
1:44:51 --> 1:44:53
why media narrative is as it is,

2165
1:44:53 --> 1:44:56
is we're never gonna get to the bottom

2166
1:44:56 --> 1:44:58
as to why narrative is how it is

2167
1:44:58 --> 1:45:01
when it's sometimes divorced from science.

2168
1:45:01 --> 1:45:05
A lot of information is divorced from science,

2169
1:45:05 --> 1:45:09
from scientific information in my opinion.

2170
1:45:10 --> 1:45:11
Thanks.

2171
1:45:11 --> 1:45:13
In terms of mild disease and control group,

2172
1:45:13 --> 1:45:16
another giant mystery that makes no sense.

2173
1:45:16 --> 1:45:19
We destroyed control group, it's gone.

2174
1:45:21 --> 1:45:24
We will no longer be able to compare long-term effects

2175
1:45:24 --> 1:45:29
of this clinical trial, which is how, why?

2176
1:45:30 --> 1:45:31
That's no longer a clinical trial.

2177
1:45:31 --> 1:45:34
We have a clinical trial that lasted a few months,

2178
1:45:34 --> 1:45:35
boom, done, over.

2179
1:45:35 --> 1:45:40
But I mean, that's the most basic principle of a trial

2180
1:45:40 --> 1:45:41
is to have a control group.

2181
1:45:41 --> 1:45:42
That's right.

2182
1:45:42 --> 1:45:45
So if they've destroyed the control group, Cordelia,

2183
1:45:45 --> 1:45:49
do you think that's evidence of criminal intent?

2184
1:45:49 --> 1:45:51
Because I do.

2185
1:45:51 --> 1:45:53
Well, yeah, agree with you because that's-

2186
1:45:54 --> 1:45:57
It was argued on moral reasons though, right?

2187
1:45:57 --> 1:46:01
And the moral reasons is because we saw 95% effectiveness,

2188
1:46:01 --> 1:46:06
it would have been immoral to refuse this option

2189
1:46:06 --> 1:46:07
to the control group.

2190
1:46:07 --> 1:46:09
Although again, that doesn't make sense.

2191
1:46:11 --> 1:46:13
No, it doesn't cut it.

2192
1:46:13 --> 1:46:15
Because that's not how other clinical trials

2193
1:46:15 --> 1:46:16
worked ever before, right?

2194
1:46:16 --> 1:46:18
When you sign up for a clinical trial,

2195
1:46:18 --> 1:46:21
you consent to the possibility

2196
1:46:21 --> 1:46:23
that you might end up in a control group

2197
1:46:23 --> 1:46:26
because that's why we have to find out what works

2198
1:46:26 --> 1:46:28
and what are the long-term consequences.

2199
1:46:28 --> 1:46:31
A thousand pieces on the moral grounds was used.

2200
1:46:31 --> 1:46:32
But there's no-

2201
1:46:32 --> 1:46:34
There's an ethical consideration for clinical trials

2202
1:46:34 --> 1:46:38
where in the documentation there will be a opt-out

2203
1:46:38 --> 1:46:43
that if the treatment was found to be wonderful,

2204
1:46:43 --> 1:46:44
you will be offered it.

2205
1:46:44 --> 1:46:49
That's not that uncommon for the actual control,

2206
1:46:49 --> 1:46:51
for the actual randomized control trial.

2207
1:46:51 --> 1:46:53
I think what Cordelia might be talking about

2208
1:46:53 --> 1:46:55
is the control group in the general population,

2209
1:46:55 --> 1:46:58
the fact that there's so few now unvaccinated people

2210
1:46:58 --> 1:47:01
to act as a general control group

2211
1:47:01 --> 1:47:03
for pharmacovigilance studies,

2212
1:47:03 --> 1:47:05
which is what should have happened.

2213
1:47:06 --> 1:47:08
I'll put my hand up as the control.

2214
1:47:10 --> 1:47:12
Okay, thank you Cordelia.

2215
1:47:12 --> 1:47:14
Excellent, excellent point.

2216
1:47:15 --> 1:47:16
Mikolai Daria is next.

2217
1:47:16 --> 1:47:19
She calls herself Dr. Obvious.

2218
1:47:20 --> 1:47:22
Tell you why she's called Dr. Obvious.

2219
1:47:22 --> 1:47:24
Daria's from the US.

2220
1:47:24 --> 1:47:26
What part of the US, Daria?

2221
1:47:26 --> 1:47:30
I live in Indiana, just south of Indianapolis,

2222
1:47:30 --> 1:47:31
and I grew up near Chicago.

2223
1:47:33 --> 1:47:36
And you're Dr. Obvious because?

2224
1:47:36 --> 1:47:40
Because I'm an expert at seeing the obvious and stating it.

2225
1:47:41 --> 1:47:42
Thank you.

2226
1:47:42 --> 1:47:44
You're also a neurosurgeon, aren't you, Daria?

2227
1:47:44 --> 1:47:45
Yes, I'm a retired neurosurgeon

2228
1:47:45 --> 1:47:48
and a licensed pharmacist and licensed physician in Indiana.

2229
1:47:50 --> 1:47:52
I've been retired for eight years now.

2230
1:47:54 --> 1:47:57
You must have retired very young, Daria.

2231
1:47:58 --> 1:47:59
Well, I hurt my hand.

2232
1:47:59 --> 1:48:01
See the nerve damage left.

2233
1:48:01 --> 1:48:03
I couldn't use my hands anymore in surgery

2234
1:48:03 --> 1:48:04
because of nerve damage.

2235
1:48:04 --> 1:48:07
So I had to have carpal tunnel surgery on both hands.

2236
1:48:08 --> 1:48:12
And that happened in December of 2013.

2237
1:48:12 --> 1:48:16
So yeah, I really wanted to operate for another 20 years,

2238
1:48:16 --> 1:48:18
but 20 years was all bad days when you didn't do that job.

2239
1:48:18 --> 1:48:23
So I'm on sabbatical right now, I suppose.

2240
1:48:25 --> 1:48:26
Let's just call that.

2241
1:48:26 --> 1:48:28
Yeah, Mikko, I thank you for coming today.

2242
1:48:28 --> 1:48:31
This is fascinating, and I love your compassion

2243
1:48:31 --> 1:48:36
and your, I'm not sure the best word for this,

2244
1:48:36 --> 1:48:38
but just giving people the benefit of the doubt

2245
1:48:38 --> 1:48:43
and wanting to believe they have good intentions.

2246
1:48:43 --> 1:48:44
And that's great because it's a good starting point.

2247
1:48:44 --> 1:48:46
That would be our null hypothesis

2248
1:48:46 --> 1:48:50
in scientific methods, that all people are good

2249
1:48:50 --> 1:48:52
and that all people want for the better,

2250
1:48:52 --> 1:48:54
betterness of everyone, okay?

2251
1:48:54 --> 1:48:56
But in this particular case,

2252
1:48:56 --> 1:48:59
you had to make a mention earlier

2253
1:48:59 --> 1:49:02
for there being something more than money going on here

2254
1:49:02 --> 1:49:06
because you cannot justify geriatric genocide,

2255
1:49:10 --> 1:49:15
massive chronic illness escalation just because of money.

2256
1:49:15 --> 1:49:20
And when the recruitment of the government authorities

2257
1:49:20 --> 1:49:24
at all levels, the professional institutions at all levels,

2258
1:49:24 --> 1:49:29
even every social organization pushing vaccines,

2259
1:49:29 --> 1:49:32
I'm utterly, I want to throw up,

2260
1:49:32 --> 1:49:36
hearing the Vatican endorsing vaccines made with,

2261
1:49:37 --> 1:49:40
tested either with or developed with

2262
1:49:40 --> 1:49:44
aborted baby live cells, that's a deal breaker.

2263
1:49:44 --> 1:49:46
And the same thing with the Latter-day Saints

2264
1:49:46 --> 1:49:49
or the Mormons, same thing happened with them,

2265
1:49:49 --> 1:49:50
pushing the vaccine.

2266
1:49:50 --> 1:49:52
And again, when you mentioned the fear piece,

2267
1:49:52 --> 1:49:57
remember that fear piece was driven deliberately by,

2268
1:49:57 --> 1:49:58
and I said this two years ago,

2269
1:49:58 --> 1:50:02
I said this is criminal negligent homicide

2270
1:50:02 --> 1:50:07
to refuse any and all early treatment to anyone who's sick.

2271
1:50:08 --> 1:50:09
Normally a family doctor,

2272
1:50:09 --> 1:50:12
if somebody came in with an upper respiratory illness

2273
1:50:12 --> 1:50:16
would empirically give them some inhaled steroids,

2274
1:50:16 --> 1:50:19
empirically give them oral antibiotics.

2275
1:50:19 --> 1:50:20
Sure they take the specimen,

2276
1:50:20 --> 1:50:22
but they don't send them home to wait

2277
1:50:22 --> 1:50:24
for the test result to come back.

2278
1:50:24 --> 1:50:27
There's utterly no clinical precedent

2279
1:50:27 --> 1:50:29
or any justification whatsoever as a doctor.

2280
1:50:29 --> 1:50:32
I mean, if this were any other time

2281
1:50:32 --> 1:50:35
and that stupid prep act hadn't been signed by Trump,

2282
1:50:35 --> 1:50:38
now practice lawyers would be having a field day,

2283
1:50:38 --> 1:50:40
but no, they will all went to hibernate.

2284
1:50:40 --> 1:50:43
And I brought this question up when we had RFK Jr. out

2285
1:50:43 --> 1:50:47
and he emphasized the fact that almost all liability

2286
1:50:47 --> 1:50:52
for negligence, et cetera, was lifted for hospitals,

2287
1:50:53 --> 1:50:56
for doctors, for the drug companies

2288
1:50:56 --> 1:50:59
to behave in this malevolent way.

2289
1:50:59 --> 1:51:01
And I think Steven, you used the word malfeasance,

2290
1:51:01 --> 1:51:02
which is what it is.

2291
1:51:02 --> 1:51:07
And to me, having all these disparate groups

2292
1:51:07 --> 1:51:08
do this for money,

2293
1:51:08 --> 1:51:11
and obviously the mandates now for pushing vaccines

2294
1:51:11 --> 1:51:16
in hospitals are because of Medicare and Medicaid services,

2295
1:51:16 --> 1:51:19
CMS, in other words, if you take Medicaid money,

2296
1:51:19 --> 1:51:22
you have to make sure all your employees are jabbed.

2297
1:51:22 --> 1:51:25
And I'm telling you these big corporations

2298
1:51:26 --> 1:51:29
that have non-disclosure agreements for their employees

2299
1:51:29 --> 1:51:32
are actually telling their employees

2300
1:51:32 --> 1:51:35
that even if they have a legitimate exemption,

2301
1:51:35 --> 1:51:38
they're going to decide whether to honor it or not.

2302
1:51:39 --> 1:51:41
In other words, religious or medical.

2303
1:51:41 --> 1:51:44
In other words, no, if you have an exemption, you say no,

2304
1:51:44 --> 1:51:45
you shouldn't have to like write a thesis

2305
1:51:45 --> 1:51:49
as to why you're saying no to justify it.

2306
1:51:49 --> 1:51:50
And the Supreme Court even said,

2307
1:51:50 --> 1:51:52
if they have a medical or religious exemption,

2308
1:51:52 --> 1:51:54
they're exempt, period.

2309
1:51:54 --> 1:51:56
And yet that's not being honored.

2310
1:51:56 --> 1:51:59
So I think there is something more going on.

2311
1:51:59 --> 1:52:01
And you're right, we can't speculate about it,

2312
1:52:01 --> 1:52:04
but pretty much no people buy their fruit

2313
1:52:04 --> 1:52:07
if they're behaving in a way that is not compassionate,

2314
1:52:07 --> 1:52:12
not beneficial, is directly harmful.

2315
1:52:12 --> 1:52:16
They're causing harm and bargaining and blockading access

2316
1:52:16 --> 1:52:20
to ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine with,

2317
1:52:20 --> 1:52:21
what is it, over hundreds and hundreds,

2318
1:52:21 --> 1:52:25
maybe thousands by now, place for showing the benefit.

2319
1:52:25 --> 1:52:30
That is basically like forcing someone

2320
1:52:30 --> 1:52:32
to leave their door unlocked

2321
1:52:32 --> 1:52:35
and then unleashing a gang of robbers on the neighborhood.

2322
1:52:36 --> 1:52:38
You know, you're setting people up to be victims.

2323
1:52:38 --> 1:52:40
And ironically, that actually happened

2324
1:52:40 --> 1:52:44
when Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans.

2325
1:52:44 --> 1:52:44
And they actually did that.

2326
1:52:44 --> 1:52:46
The police came in and disarmed the few people

2327
1:52:46 --> 1:52:49
that were still home that were protecting themselves

2328
1:52:49 --> 1:52:52
with their handguns and a video had gone around

2329
1:52:52 --> 1:52:55
showing the police wrestling an old revolver

2330
1:52:55 --> 1:52:57
out of an 80-year-old lady's hand,

2331
1:52:57 --> 1:53:00
pinning her up against the wall and taking her gun.

2332
1:53:00 --> 1:53:02
It was the only thing keeping people out of her house.

2333
1:53:02 --> 1:53:05
And shortly after they left, she was robbed.

2334
1:53:05 --> 1:53:08
So that's what's happening here.

2335
1:53:08 --> 1:53:11
As soon as those doctors started to refuse treatment,

2336
1:53:11 --> 1:53:14
and to this day are still bad mouthing

2337
1:53:14 --> 1:53:16
the early treatment regimens,

2338
1:53:16 --> 1:53:17
including empiric treatment

2339
1:53:17 --> 1:53:19
that they routinely used all the time

2340
1:53:19 --> 1:53:23
for other upper respiratory unspecified infections.

2341
1:53:23 --> 1:53:26
During flu season, during cold season,

2342
1:53:26 --> 1:53:28
you know, whatever you wanna call it, bronchitis.

2343
1:53:28 --> 1:53:30
Now they're refusing to give you anything.

2344
1:53:30 --> 1:53:33
They're all going to hell if they don't repent.

2345
1:53:33 --> 1:53:34
I'll tell you that right now.

2346
1:53:34 --> 1:53:38
And so no, that is the evidence, if you will,

2347
1:53:38 --> 1:53:41
circumstantial evidence, and I'm not a lawyer,

2348
1:53:41 --> 1:53:43
circumstantial evidence to me

2349
1:53:43 --> 1:53:46
that there's harmful intent here

2350
1:53:46 --> 1:53:49
above and beyond monetary recompense.

2351
1:53:49 --> 1:53:54
Especially since a lot of these decisions otherwise

2352
1:53:54 --> 1:53:56
are harmful to the businesses,

2353
1:53:56 --> 1:53:59
they're harmful to the hospitals, they're harmful.

2354
1:53:59 --> 1:54:02
In other words, these big established entities

2355
1:54:02 --> 1:54:04
are getting hurt monetarily as well.

2356
1:54:04 --> 1:54:06
Maybe not the hospitals as much,

2357
1:54:06 --> 1:54:09
if their reimbursement, the blood money they're getting

2358
1:54:09 --> 1:54:12
for letting people die and pushing their death out.

2359
1:54:12 --> 1:54:15
Killing them more likely.

2360
1:54:15 --> 1:54:16
Yeah, it's murder.

2361
1:54:16 --> 1:54:18
I'm calling them slaughterhouses, okay?

2362
1:54:18 --> 1:54:19
Hospitals have become slaughterhouses

2363
1:54:19 --> 1:54:21
when they're pushing this stuff.

2364
1:54:21 --> 1:54:24
And so I guess I'm asking you,

2365
1:54:24 --> 1:54:26
if you take it in consideration

2366
1:54:26 --> 1:54:30
and look at that totality of behaviors,

2367
1:54:30 --> 1:54:35
does that in any way affect your null hypothesis

2368
1:54:35 --> 1:54:37
of the presumption that people are basically good

2369
1:54:37 --> 1:54:39
and acting with good intention?

2370
1:54:39 --> 1:54:41
We can take this all the way back to Dr. Malone,

2371
1:54:41 --> 1:54:44
because one thing, even if somebody is evil,

2372
1:54:44 --> 1:54:47
especially like in the Bible, they talk about

2373
1:54:47 --> 1:54:50
the devil stating his intentions ahead of time

2374
1:54:50 --> 1:54:52
and that we see this a lot in people

2375
1:54:52 --> 1:54:54
that have malicious intent,

2376
1:54:54 --> 1:54:57
like the World Economic Foundation.

2377
1:54:57 --> 1:54:59
They've always stated what their plans are.

2378
1:54:59 --> 1:55:03
You'd be fool not to listen to them.

2379
1:55:03 --> 1:55:06
So whether Dr. Malone is a white hat,

2380
1:55:06 --> 1:55:11
a black hat or a gray hat character, it doesn't matter.

2381
1:55:11 --> 1:55:14
He has very intelligent, he's done a lot of hard science,

2382
1:55:14 --> 1:55:17
but what that told me at that Senate hearing

2383
1:55:17 --> 1:55:19
when he interrupted the other physician

2384
1:55:19 --> 1:55:23
is he was that uncomfortable about what that doctor

2385
1:55:23 --> 1:55:28
was saying to try and get him to divert the discussion away

2386
1:55:29 --> 1:55:31
from that important evidence.

2387
1:55:31 --> 1:55:32
And I don't know about you,

2388
1:55:32 --> 1:55:34
but when somebody tries to shout me down,

2389
1:55:34 --> 1:55:36
I look at him twice as hard.

2390
1:55:36 --> 1:55:38
And I think everybody looked at Dr. Malone twice as hard

2391
1:55:38 --> 1:55:39
when he did that.

2392
1:55:39 --> 1:55:41
And what I'd like to know is,

2393
1:55:41 --> 1:55:45
is there some internal correspondence, research, et cetera,

2394
1:55:45 --> 1:55:47
that Dr. Malone was involved in

2395
1:55:47 --> 1:55:52
that is now going to implicate his work directly?

2396
1:55:52 --> 1:55:55
Besides, we know about the spike pro, not the spike pro,

2397
1:55:55 --> 1:55:59
but the mRNA and also it looks like some of those papers

2398
1:55:59 --> 1:56:03
he worked on had to do with the nanoparticles.

2399
1:56:03 --> 1:56:06
So was it by intent or not?

2400
1:56:06 --> 1:56:08
Most researchers are compartmentalized.

2401
1:56:08 --> 1:56:10
They ask the Defense Department.

2402
1:56:10 --> 1:56:14
They'll look back to the Manhattan Project.

2403
1:56:14 --> 1:56:16
Nobody really knew what the other guy was doing.

2404
1:56:16 --> 1:56:17
They didn't all know they were working on

2405
1:56:17 --> 1:56:21
a world-changing deadly weapon.

2406
1:56:22 --> 1:56:24
Yet they were all doing their little parts.

2407
1:56:24 --> 1:56:28
And only the DOD brass really knew the whole story.

2408
1:56:31 --> 1:56:33
Even Oppenheimer, I think he kind of knew what was going on.

2409
1:56:33 --> 1:56:36
But when that first test bomb went off,

2410
1:56:37 --> 1:56:39
he quoted the great line,

2411
1:56:39 --> 1:56:42
"'I am Death, the Destroyer of Worlds',"

2412
1:56:42 --> 1:56:43
or something like that.

2413
1:56:43 --> 1:56:45
And so again, sometimes,

2414
1:56:45 --> 1:56:46
and I think maybe one of the things

2415
1:56:46 --> 1:56:48
that's affecting Dr. Malone now

2416
1:56:48 --> 1:56:50
is that he realizes how bad it was,

2417
1:56:50 --> 1:56:53
but he also realizes now that he's gonna at some point,

2418
1:56:53 --> 1:56:57
potentially be the scapegoat.

2419
1:56:58 --> 1:57:01
And I think that's why he's walking a fine line right now

2420
1:57:01 --> 1:57:02
and you can see the stress on him.

2421
1:57:02 --> 1:57:05
I don't know if anybody's a body language reader here,

2422
1:57:05 --> 1:57:09
but he's barely holding it together in my opinion.

2423
1:57:09 --> 1:57:11
And that's just an opinion on my part.

2424
1:57:11 --> 1:57:13
But I don't think he wants to be,

2425
1:57:13 --> 1:57:15
if he was controlled opposition,

2426
1:57:15 --> 1:57:17
I don't know particularly that he wants to be,

2427
1:57:17 --> 1:57:20
but he's very,

2428
1:57:20 --> 1:57:21
let's just say he's conflicted.

2429
1:57:21 --> 1:57:23
And if he has a gray hat, that makes sense.

2430
1:57:23 --> 1:57:27
But I got a feeling when people's past deeds

2431
1:57:27 --> 1:57:29
come back to haunt them,

2432
1:57:29 --> 1:57:31
they're going to behave in different ways.

2433
1:57:31 --> 1:57:36
And how many people don't repent

2434
1:57:36 --> 1:57:38
until they're on their deathbed?

2435
1:57:38 --> 1:57:41
There's even a term for it, deathbed confession.

2436
1:57:41 --> 1:57:46
So again, I just wanna know if going forward,

2437
1:57:47 --> 1:57:48
and you had your null hypothesis,

2438
1:57:48 --> 1:57:51
it's almost like of people being good,

2439
1:57:51 --> 1:57:52
we want everybody to be good.

2440
1:57:52 --> 1:57:55
But unfortunately, I think we're all flawed

2441
1:57:57 --> 1:58:02
and we're all susceptible to not being virtuous at all times

2442
1:58:03 --> 1:58:05
and some embrace this, but it's really scary

2443
1:58:05 --> 1:58:09
because if you take away anything that would be

2444
1:58:09 --> 1:58:13
sort of a curb on bad behavior and bad intent,

2445
1:58:13 --> 1:58:16
like liability, for example,

2446
1:58:16 --> 1:58:20
and you also release any barriers

2447
1:58:21 --> 1:58:24
to someone's lack of a conscience,

2448
1:58:24 --> 1:58:29
there is a possibility that they will become

2449
1:58:29 --> 1:58:33
actively and happily participating in the death of someone,

2450
1:58:33 --> 1:58:35
let's say in a hospital or suffering.

2451
1:58:35 --> 1:58:36
And it's not all the nurses,

2452
1:58:36 --> 1:58:38
there's a lot of upset nurses right now and doctors,

2453
1:58:38 --> 1:58:39
a lot of them leave,

2454
1:58:39 --> 1:58:42
but the ones that stay behind to help

2455
1:58:42 --> 1:58:43
are getting stressed out as well.

2456
1:58:44 --> 1:58:48
And why, here's another question.

2457
1:58:53 --> 1:58:55
Sounds like a good idea, I'm sorry, I always do this,

2458
1:58:55 --> 1:58:57
that's why Charles like, oh God, sorry again.

2459
1:58:57 --> 1:58:59
Anyway, on the surface, it sounds like a good idea

2460
1:58:59 --> 1:59:04
that you'd wanna inject all the nurses and hospital staff

2461
1:59:04 --> 1:59:06
at the beginning of a plague

2462
1:59:06 --> 1:59:08
because the hospitalized patients

2463
1:59:08 --> 1:59:10
are gonna be the more susceptible populations.

2464
1:59:10 --> 1:59:12
But now we're seeing personality changes,

2465
1:59:12 --> 1:59:16
behavioral changes in people and affect changes

2466
1:59:16 --> 1:59:20
that could potentially affect that natural compassion

2467
1:59:20 --> 1:59:24
that they had in conscience that kept them ethical.

2468
1:59:24 --> 1:59:27
So again, that's something else we need to keep in mind

2469
1:59:27 --> 1:59:29
and whoever's gonna research this,

2470
1:59:29 --> 1:59:33
I'd love to see that neuropsychiatric damage

2471
1:59:33 --> 1:59:38
caused by the vaccine central nervous system attack,

2472
1:59:38 --> 1:59:39
part of this.

2473
1:59:40 --> 1:59:41
Can I interject and say,

2474
1:59:45 --> 1:59:47
it's only a good idea to inject nurses and doctors

2475
1:59:47 --> 1:59:49
if they want to be injected

2476
1:59:49 --> 1:59:51
because they can make a risk assessment for their own body

2477
1:59:51 --> 1:59:56
and they are always at higher risk from the public

2478
1:59:57 --> 1:59:58
than they are to the public.

2479
1:59:58 --> 2:00:01
So it was always ethically the wrong thing to do

2480
2:00:01 --> 2:00:04
to force doctors and nurses

2481
2:00:04 --> 2:00:06
into having an investigational therapy

2482
2:00:07 --> 2:00:11
that was not proven to reduce the risk to other people.

2483
2:00:12 --> 2:00:13
I just said to Charles,

2484
2:00:13 --> 2:00:15
just a couple of other people with hands up,

2485
2:00:15 --> 2:00:18
I don't know if we might have to go soon.

2486
2:00:18 --> 2:00:20
So let's start to say hello.

2487
2:00:21 --> 2:00:25
Can I just jump in super quick for the doctors in the crowd?

2488
2:00:25 --> 2:00:30
I recently published an article about the idea

2489
2:00:30 --> 2:00:35
as to when we should consider basically

2490
2:00:36 --> 2:00:39
not forcing mandates as medical doctors.

2491
2:00:39 --> 2:00:42
And this came strictly from the people

2492
2:00:42 --> 2:00:46
who have reached out to me and the issues they experienced.

2493
2:00:46 --> 2:00:48
So I was wondering if I could share that.

2494
2:00:48 --> 2:00:49
It's a short article,

2495
2:00:49 --> 2:00:53
basically when to consider exemptions against mandates.

2496
2:00:53 --> 2:00:56
And there's medical doctors who would wanna let me know

2497
2:00:56 --> 2:00:58
if this is foolish or not.

2498
2:00:58 --> 2:01:00
Nikolai, before you do,

2499
2:01:00 --> 2:01:03
Peter Huga who has to go is in the UK.

2500
2:01:04 --> 2:01:07
He's got a specific question in chat.

2501
2:01:07 --> 2:01:10
Could you have, or Sam?

2502
2:01:10 --> 2:01:14
The one just a moment ago?

2503
2:01:14 --> 2:01:15
Yes.

2504
2:01:19 --> 2:01:20
He said-

2505
2:01:20 --> 2:01:23
Okay, so could I catch the illness

2506
2:01:23 --> 2:01:27
from a dead body spiking after death?

2507
2:01:27 --> 2:01:32
So this one, I don't know,

2508
2:01:32 --> 2:01:36
but here's the very weird observation

2509
2:01:36 --> 2:01:39
that I got from the video

2510
2:01:39 --> 2:01:42
I just recently made on menstrual cycles.

2511
2:01:42 --> 2:01:45
And there's been dozens of women who commented

2512
2:01:45 --> 2:01:46
that their menstrual cycle was affected

2513
2:01:46 --> 2:01:49
by being in vicinity, proximity,

2514
2:01:49 --> 2:01:52
prolonged proximity of vaccinated people.

2515
2:01:52 --> 2:01:57
Mix biologically, how do you, of course, explain that?

2516
2:01:57 --> 2:01:59
Could there be a transfer of information?

2517
2:01:59 --> 2:02:02
In theory there is because, look,

2518
2:02:02 --> 2:02:06
your existence does not stop with your physical body.

2519
2:02:06 --> 2:02:09
It extends beyond your body.

2520
2:02:09 --> 2:02:11
For example, you have a bacterial cloud around you

2521
2:02:11 --> 2:02:15
that extends probably like a meter outside your body.

2522
2:02:15 --> 2:02:18
There's chemicals that extend outside your body

2523
2:02:18 --> 2:02:19
that your body produce.

2524
2:02:19 --> 2:02:22
So you actually, you have a cloud,

2525
2:02:22 --> 2:02:26
chemical cloud around you that talks

2526
2:02:26 --> 2:02:28
and it has a specific message.

2527
2:02:28 --> 2:02:32
And others can come and in theory,

2528
2:02:32 --> 2:02:35
start interacting with that cloud and reading it.

2529
2:02:35 --> 2:02:39
In theory, we know we have a chemical cloud around us.

2530
2:02:39 --> 2:02:42
I don't know to what degree can we read that chemical cloud?

2531
2:02:42 --> 2:02:46
So then could we somehow be able to passing

2532
2:02:46 --> 2:02:50
on information related to presence of the spike protein

2533
2:02:50 --> 2:02:50
and reacting to it?

2534
2:02:50 --> 2:02:54
Obviously, I don't know, there's completely no proof to it

2535
2:02:54 --> 2:02:57
with the exception of these bizarre anecdotal statements

2536
2:02:57 --> 2:03:00
from women how their menstrual cycle has been affected

2537
2:03:00 --> 2:03:03
or their menses has been affected just strictly

2538
2:03:03 --> 2:03:06
by being with their vaccinated partners

2539
2:03:06 --> 2:03:08
while they remain unvaccinated.

2540
2:03:08 --> 2:03:09
Very weird.

2541
2:03:09 --> 2:03:13
So I don't know if anyone has a comment on that.

2542
2:03:13 --> 2:03:16
I just wanted to bring up to you that that's what I've heard

2543
2:03:16 --> 2:03:19
a lot in the comments to that YouTube video.

2544
2:03:19 --> 2:03:24
Okay, before Peter goes, has anyone got a specific view

2545
2:03:24 --> 2:03:26
on that otherwise Peter go to bed

2546
2:03:26 --> 2:03:31
because he's recovering and unwell Peter, is that helpful?

2547
2:03:32 --> 2:03:32
Yeah, thanks Charles.

2548
2:03:32 --> 2:03:34
Yeah, I wouldn't have asked the question

2549
2:03:34 --> 2:03:36
if I didn't think it was genuine.

2550
2:03:36 --> 2:03:39
I deal in facts as well.

2551
2:03:39 --> 2:03:44
And all I know is that, as I say, seven days ago,

2552
2:03:44 --> 2:03:47
I was in this van for five hours and I went down like a stone

2553
2:03:47 --> 2:03:51
and I've infected everybody around me, my whole family.

2554
2:03:52 --> 2:03:54
And I'm around dead bodies all the time

2555
2:03:54 --> 2:03:57
because I work for funeral directors.

2556
2:03:57 --> 2:03:59
And normally they're bagged, body bagged,

2557
2:03:59 --> 2:04:01
they're covered, we're careful.

2558
2:04:01 --> 2:04:05
I was sent in the wrong van this day, there was no divider

2559
2:04:05 --> 2:04:08
and the funeral directors that supplied the body,

2560
2:04:08 --> 2:04:12
I found out they just put a porous sheet over the body.

2561
2:04:12 --> 2:04:14
So as I was driving and the aircon was pumping

2562
2:04:14 --> 2:04:18
around this van, I'm sitting in it and eating my sandwiches.

2563
2:04:18 --> 2:04:22
And I just think it's too much of a coincidence.

2564
2:04:22 --> 2:04:24
The way I went down and I've had flu before,

2565
2:04:24 --> 2:04:26
this completely wiped me out.

2566
2:04:26 --> 2:04:27
So thank you very much.

2567
2:04:27 --> 2:04:29
I'm happy in the knowledge.

2568
2:04:29 --> 2:04:34
I believe that I was surrounded by a cloud that day.

2569
2:04:34 --> 2:04:35
Thank you.

2570
2:04:35 --> 2:04:39
Charles, Arianna Love is on the call, I think,

2571
2:04:39 --> 2:04:43
and would like to ask a question about gene deletion.

2572
2:04:43 --> 2:04:45
Well, we'll get to that in a moment.

2573
2:04:45 --> 2:04:46
We just have to be a bit quick.

2574
2:04:46 --> 2:04:48
Darius question has to be answered.

2575
2:04:48 --> 2:04:50
Mickalai wants to share something in this blend,

2576
2:04:50 --> 2:04:54
but Arianna, we'll be finished in the next 15 minutes,

2577
2:04:54 --> 2:04:55
everybody.

2578
2:04:55 --> 2:04:57
Sorry, the formalities.

2579
2:04:57 --> 2:05:00
So Mickalai, you're gonna share something?

2580
2:05:00 --> 2:05:05
Yeah, so here's an article that it's already up on my blog.

2581
2:05:05 --> 2:05:07
If there's any medical doctors who would wanna see

2582
2:05:07 --> 2:05:09
if there's any goof ups there,

2583
2:05:09 --> 2:05:10
because I'm not a medical doctor,

2584
2:05:10 --> 2:05:15
but this is my response to basically the collective trauma

2585
2:05:15 --> 2:05:18
I've been now exposed to as a consequence

2586
2:05:18 --> 2:05:21
of the YouTube channel going viral

2587
2:05:21 --> 2:05:26
and why mandates never ever having any exemptions

2588
2:05:28 --> 2:05:30
should never be allowed.

2589
2:05:30 --> 2:05:33
And these are some propositions as to when exemptions

2590
2:05:33 --> 2:05:34
should be considered.

2591
2:05:34 --> 2:05:38
And I just, because I wrote it and I'm a scientist,

2592
2:05:38 --> 2:05:41
not a medical doctor, if there's anyone who would volunteer

2593
2:05:41 --> 2:05:43
to wanna read it in case there's any goof ups there

2594
2:05:43 --> 2:05:45
that I could fix, let me know.

2595
2:05:45 --> 2:05:47
If it's good, then it's all good.

2596
2:05:47 --> 2:05:52
Mickalai, I don't think I have your email address.

2597
2:05:54 --> 2:05:56
Could you send it to me directly

2598
2:05:56 --> 2:06:00
or you can put it out in the chat maybe, I don't know.

2599
2:06:00 --> 2:06:02
Put it in the chat and Daria has got time

2600
2:06:02 --> 2:06:05
to consider your paper as well, Mickalai.

2601
2:06:05 --> 2:06:09
So Daria, I'm sure we'll look at that.

2602
2:06:09 --> 2:06:11
Now, Sam, you have to go and do some surgery.

2603
2:06:11 --> 2:06:13
Do you wanna say a quick goodbye

2604
2:06:13 --> 2:06:15
because you do have to jump?

2605
2:06:15 --> 2:06:17
And we will finish in 15 minutes,

2606
2:06:17 --> 2:06:20
for melodies and pub time.

2607
2:06:20 --> 2:06:21
Sam?

2608
2:06:21 --> 2:06:22
I'll just hang around in the background.

2609
2:06:22 --> 2:06:26
I'm working from home because we're in a pandemic

2610
2:06:27 --> 2:06:29
and it's really dangerous to go outside.

2611
2:06:29 --> 2:06:33
So today, it's my Advent Day.

2612
2:06:33 --> 2:06:36
And because the rules are such that it's really scary

2613
2:06:36 --> 2:06:41
and dangerous to go outside, then I'm working from home.

2614
2:06:41 --> 2:06:44
In the middle of summer in Australia, absolutely.

2615
2:06:45 --> 2:06:46
I must apologize

2616
2:06:46 --> 2:06:48
because I shouldn't really be wearing an N95 mask

2617
2:06:48 --> 2:06:49
for this Zoom.

2618
2:06:51 --> 2:06:53
Don't take my bad habits to heart, will you?

2619
2:06:55 --> 2:06:56
Very good.

2620
2:06:56 --> 2:06:58
Okay, so thank you for posting that.

2621
2:06:58 --> 2:07:00
So Mickalai, you will get some answers.

2622
2:07:00 --> 2:07:02
Daria's question.

2623
2:07:02 --> 2:07:04
Charles, could Daria ask her questions

2624
2:07:04 --> 2:07:06
because they're highly relevant

2625
2:07:06 --> 2:07:08
to these two genomics guys.

2626
2:07:08 --> 2:07:13
Yes, so Daria asked you the question, Mickalai.

2627
2:07:14 --> 2:07:16
Probably forgotten by now.

2628
2:07:16 --> 2:07:18
Quick Daria before we get to Glenn and Tom

2629
2:07:18 --> 2:07:20
and Theresa and Ariana.

2630
2:07:23 --> 2:07:28
Just real quick, looking at the totality of,

2631
2:07:31 --> 2:07:33
sorry, I had to find that word.

2632
2:07:33 --> 2:07:37
Totality of all the events globally,

2633
2:07:37 --> 2:07:40
the effects on society, the coordinated media assault.

2634
2:07:41 --> 2:07:46
And Dr. Malone mentioned the mass formation psychosis

2635
2:07:46 --> 2:07:49
that Matthias Desmet described.

2636
2:07:50 --> 2:07:51
We used to call it hypnosis.

2637
2:07:51 --> 2:07:56
It's basically hurting everybody off a cliff out of fear.

2638
2:07:58 --> 2:08:01
Yeah, anyway, taking that into consideration,

2639
2:08:01 --> 2:08:06
is there more of a possibility than not in these cases

2640
2:08:07 --> 2:08:11
that malicious intent should be even sought out

2641
2:08:11 --> 2:08:14
in terms of seeing, maybe they need to prove

2642
2:08:14 --> 2:08:17
they're doing this altruistically and not maliciously.

2643
2:08:17 --> 2:08:18
I mean, that's my question.

2644
2:08:18 --> 2:08:20
Maybe we have the wrong null hypothesis

2645
2:08:20 --> 2:08:21
and have to flip it.

2646
2:08:22 --> 2:08:23
Sure.

2647
2:08:24 --> 2:08:29
Assume everybody's evil and prove that they're good

2648
2:08:30 --> 2:08:31
by their.

2649
2:08:31 --> 2:08:36
Obviously I'm not naive about what kind of crimes

2650
2:08:36 --> 2:08:41
against humanity people can commit because I'm Polish.

2651
2:08:41 --> 2:08:44
So I will take this pandemic anytime

2652
2:08:44 --> 2:08:47
in comparison to what my grandparents had to go through.

2653
2:08:47 --> 2:08:52
So I'm fully aware how evil humanity can be to one another.

2654
2:08:53 --> 2:08:56
So, and despite that, I still think

2655
2:08:56 --> 2:09:01
what we are witnessing is more based on stupidity

2656
2:09:03 --> 2:09:08
due to fear and greed, but I could be wrong

2657
2:09:09 --> 2:09:14
because at the time when the worst crimes were happening,

2658
2:09:14 --> 2:09:17
imaginable in my own home country,

2659
2:09:17 --> 2:09:19
the rest of the world would be like,

2660
2:09:19 --> 2:09:20
no, that's not even possible.

2661
2:09:22 --> 2:09:24
All right, so I'm going to take this one.

2662
2:09:24 --> 2:09:26
I think anything's possible.

2663
2:09:26 --> 2:09:27
All right, thank you.

2664
2:09:27 --> 2:09:29
I think anything's possible.

2665
2:09:29 --> 2:09:30
Thank you.

2666
2:09:30 --> 2:09:30
Thank you.

2667
2:09:30 --> 2:09:31
Very good, Nikolai.

2668
2:09:31 --> 2:09:32
Great questions.

2669
2:09:32 --> 2:09:33
Glenn.

2670
2:09:33 --> 2:09:36
Hi, I want to look forward.

2671
2:09:36 --> 2:09:40
Nikolai, you mentioned around mopping up the damage.

2672
2:09:40 --> 2:09:42
And so from a forward looking viewpoint,

2673
2:09:42 --> 2:09:44
I'm curious if you think there are a variety of things

2674
2:09:44 --> 2:09:48
that we could do to dampen the damage that's going on now

2675
2:09:48 --> 2:09:50
with the vaccine injured.

2676
2:09:50 --> 2:09:52
But before you answer that,

2677
2:09:52 --> 2:09:55
on a simple case, especially since you've been working

2678
2:09:55 --> 2:09:58
on testing mechanisms, do you believe that there are

2679
2:09:58 --> 2:10:01
substantially better tests available now

2680
2:10:01 --> 2:10:06
for measuring both spike protein in humans,

2681
2:10:06 --> 2:10:11
as well as properly measuring the virus?

2682
2:10:11 --> 2:10:15
We know we have so many bad results

2683
2:10:15 --> 2:10:18
that completely contaminate the data

2684
2:10:18 --> 2:10:20
and make most of the data sets terrible.

2685
2:10:20 --> 2:10:24
Do you believe that anyone has gotten a much better test

2686
2:10:24 --> 2:10:25
that could have been effective?

2687
2:10:26 --> 2:10:29
I think PCR test is a fantastic test.

2688
2:10:29 --> 2:10:31
It's just been not used properly.

2689
2:10:31 --> 2:10:36
So it's a matter of how it should have been used,

2690
2:10:36 --> 2:10:40
meaning we don't go beyond certain CT threshold cycles

2691
2:10:40 --> 2:10:42
because you never see virus isolated

2692
2:10:42 --> 2:10:45
beyond certain CT threshold cycles.

2693
2:10:45 --> 2:10:48
We should have appropriately understood

2694
2:10:48 --> 2:10:51
what the false positive rate of any test is

2695
2:10:51 --> 2:10:54
that's never been documented at all.

2696
2:10:54 --> 2:10:58
And we also should have understood that

2697
2:10:58 --> 2:11:01
the positive result is only likely to be positive

2698
2:11:01 --> 2:11:04
within a given period of time,

2699
2:11:04 --> 2:11:07
as opposed to being able to grab a remnant

2700
2:11:07 --> 2:11:11
of a viral genetic information post infection

2701
2:11:11 --> 2:11:12
when you're no longer infectious.

2702
2:11:12 --> 2:11:16
So if we simply chose smarter parameters

2703
2:11:16 --> 2:11:20
of use of this test, this test would have been very, very good.

2704
2:11:20 --> 2:11:22
All right, let's not go too long on that.

2705
2:11:22 --> 2:11:26
I'm more interested in what you might have for ideas

2706
2:11:26 --> 2:11:29
of how we can mop up, whether there's anything from

2707
2:11:31 --> 2:11:35
kinds of better testing or kind of alternative mechanisms

2708
2:11:35 --> 2:11:38
that might reduce the amount of negative impact

2709
2:11:38 --> 2:11:42
from the vaccines that could help,

2710
2:11:42 --> 2:11:46
either after the fact, vaccine injured,

2711
2:11:46 --> 2:11:49
or things that could be done ahead of vaccines

2712
2:11:49 --> 2:11:51
to dampen the damage.

2713
2:11:52 --> 2:11:57
Yeah, the ironic thing is that in my thinking,

2714
2:11:57 --> 2:12:00
your best way to move forward

2715
2:12:00 --> 2:12:05
is to ensure you practice high quality lifestyle.

2716
2:12:05 --> 2:12:08
There's not going to be much you can do really

2717
2:12:08 --> 2:12:13
in terms of how you've already programmed your immune system

2718
2:12:13 --> 2:12:15
and being able to remove

2719
2:12:15 --> 2:12:18
if you still have spike protein circulating in you,

2720
2:12:18 --> 2:12:23
but you can still affect your quality of your immune system.

2721
2:12:23 --> 2:12:27
And that is always quality of lifestyle.

2722
2:12:27 --> 2:12:30
So I'm in medical DNA testing.

2723
2:12:30 --> 2:12:32
And I would always say, if you want to protect yourself,

2724
2:12:32 --> 2:12:36
first and foremost, exercise, don't smoke, diet.

2725
2:12:36 --> 2:12:38
Those are your biggest factors you can do

2726
2:12:39 --> 2:12:41
to influence the quality of your lifestyle.

2727
2:12:41 --> 2:12:43
And we all can be responsible for that.

2728
2:12:43 --> 2:12:46
And then I say, buy critical illness insurance.

2729
2:12:46 --> 2:12:48
And then finally I say, do DNA testing.

2730
2:12:50 --> 2:12:52
Those are the facets that I think of how we,

2731
2:12:52 --> 2:12:57
each one of us could, we can do to preemptively

2732
2:12:57 --> 2:12:59
and proactively protect our health.

2733
2:12:59 --> 2:13:03
And in this case, so yeah, take care of your food, exercise.

2734
2:13:03 --> 2:13:08
And you can still build up your innate immune system.

2735
2:13:09 --> 2:13:13
So when the waves are down, interact with people, right?

2736
2:13:13 --> 2:13:18
And so you can always have proper contact

2737
2:13:18 --> 2:13:21
and stimulate the immune system.

2738
2:13:21 --> 2:13:24
But apart from having some magic pill

2739
2:13:24 --> 2:13:29
that can start changing things, I'm not aware of anything.

2740
2:13:29 --> 2:13:30
So apart from the very, very basics

2741
2:13:30 --> 2:13:32
that we all sort of already know,

2742
2:13:32 --> 2:13:35
and we all should be practicing,

2743
2:13:35 --> 2:13:39
but discipline is really challenging aspect

2744
2:13:39 --> 2:13:41
to gain in life.

2745
2:13:42 --> 2:13:43
Okay.

2746
2:13:43 --> 2:13:44
Thank you.

2747
2:13:44 --> 2:13:45
Thank you, Glenn, for the question.

2748
2:13:45 --> 2:13:47
Tom, the Rodman.

2749
2:13:49 --> 2:13:54
Okay, this is on behalf of another member, another doctor.

2750
2:13:54 --> 2:13:56
Last week we were supplied with-

2751
2:13:56 --> 2:13:59
By the way, Tommy, your volume is very low.

2752
2:13:59 --> 2:14:01
Can you increase your output, please?

2753
2:14:01 --> 2:14:02
You're good on settings.

2754
2:14:02 --> 2:14:03
Thank you.

2755
2:14:07 --> 2:14:09
Is this better?

2756
2:14:09 --> 2:14:10
Yes, thank you.

2757
2:14:10 --> 2:14:12
Okay, hopefully it will stay up.

2758
2:14:12 --> 2:14:16
So there's a military doctor that's,

2759
2:14:16 --> 2:14:20
has been in this group for several calls.

2760
2:14:20 --> 2:14:24
And he refers to an August 2020 scientific paper,

2761
2:14:24 --> 2:14:27
which I'll post again in the chat.

2762
2:14:28 --> 2:14:31
So let me just, I'm just copying it.

2763
2:14:33 --> 2:14:35
Okay, it's my clipboard.

2764
2:14:35 --> 2:14:39
And so take, so there it is.

2765
2:14:39 --> 2:14:43
And I've deliberately, I have not shared that

2766
2:14:43 --> 2:14:47
because it seems pretty out there,

2767
2:14:48 --> 2:14:53
but it is from the National Library of Medicine, PubMed,

2768
2:14:53 --> 2:14:55
and it's two or three pages.

2769
2:14:55 --> 2:14:59
And from what I understand from this doctor,

2770
2:14:59 --> 2:15:04
the spike protein has an S1 and an S2.

2771
2:15:04 --> 2:15:06
It's like a dumbbell shaped.

2772
2:15:06 --> 2:15:09
And I haven't even looked up what an ACE2 receptor is.

2773
2:15:09 --> 2:15:11
So I have this cartoon model.

2774
2:15:11 --> 2:15:14
It's not in any way correct,

2775
2:15:14 --> 2:15:19
but there are acronyms for the various population types,

2776
2:15:21 --> 2:15:26
like Asians and Europeans and Africans.

2777
2:15:27 --> 2:15:31
And so these, the paper addresses

2778
2:15:31 --> 2:15:36
the relative electrostatic attraction

2779
2:15:36 --> 2:15:41
between the ACE2 receptor and the spike protein.

2780
2:15:41 --> 2:15:46
So I haven't done a lot of web searching

2781
2:15:47 --> 2:15:49
just to really vet this.

2782
2:15:49 --> 2:15:51
There hasn't been, I haven't made the time for it.

2783
2:15:51 --> 2:15:54
So do you have any comments on that?

2784
2:15:54 --> 2:15:56
And then the other-

2785
2:15:56 --> 2:15:59
The comments on what exactly?

2786
2:15:59 --> 2:16:00
Well, on the-

2787
2:16:01 --> 2:16:03
Electrostatic charge interaction?

2788
2:16:03 --> 2:16:07
Yeah, well, no, the ratio like-

2789
2:16:07 --> 2:16:10
Oh, there is a definite difference.

2790
2:16:10 --> 2:16:11
We know this already.

2791
2:16:11 --> 2:16:13
It's been very well studied.

2792
2:16:13 --> 2:16:18
Not only, and so there is a difference in distribution.

2793
2:16:18 --> 2:16:22
I have a blog article on that from early on in a pandemic.

2794
2:16:22 --> 2:16:24
There's a difference in distribution or expression

2795
2:16:24 --> 2:16:29
of ACE2 in populations and different ethnicities

2796
2:16:29 --> 2:16:31
can express it at different levels.

2797
2:16:31 --> 2:16:32
That's true.

2798
2:16:32 --> 2:16:37
And perhaps not surprisingly Caucasian populations

2799
2:16:38 --> 2:16:40
are the ones that have been hit harder

2800
2:16:40 --> 2:16:42
than the Asian populations.

2801
2:16:42 --> 2:16:44
We express more of ACE2 at appears,

2802
2:16:44 --> 2:16:45
as well as Temporis,

2803
2:16:45 --> 2:16:47
which is the enzyme required

2804
2:16:47 --> 2:16:49
in order to cleave spike protein.

2805
2:16:49 --> 2:16:51
Remember when I said that the head rips off?

2806
2:16:51 --> 2:16:53
Once it didn't rise, the ACE2 receptor,

2807
2:16:53 --> 2:16:56
the head will come off to reveal the arms,

2808
2:16:56 --> 2:16:58
these alien arms underneath

2809
2:16:58 --> 2:17:00
that will eventually unfold and grab the cell.

2810
2:17:00 --> 2:17:04
Well, you need a cut in order for that head to come off.

2811
2:17:04 --> 2:17:07
That's done by an enzyme called Temporis2.

2812
2:17:07 --> 2:17:10
Again, certain ethnicities express that,

2813
2:17:10 --> 2:17:13
more of that protein on their cell surfaces than others.

2814
2:17:13 --> 2:17:17
So there's definitely genetic component involved

2815
2:17:17 --> 2:17:22
in how susceptible you could be to infection than others.

2816
2:17:24 --> 2:17:26
Now, in terms of electrostatic charge,

2817
2:17:26 --> 2:17:28
of course that also plays a difference.

2818
2:17:28 --> 2:17:30
And the reason why is because Omicron,

2819
2:17:30 --> 2:17:33
one of the reasons why Omicron is so much more infectious

2820
2:17:33 --> 2:17:36
because the electrostatic charge surface

2821
2:17:36 --> 2:17:39
of the spike protein of the Omicron variant

2822
2:17:39 --> 2:17:44
is ideal for interaction with the ACE2 receptor.

2823
2:17:44 --> 2:17:46
And when it comes to the charge,

2824
2:17:46 --> 2:17:49
it's one of the best right now we have had

2825
2:17:49 --> 2:17:51
in the evolution of the spike protein.

2826
2:17:51 --> 2:17:53
So then, so remember I was telling you,

2827
2:17:53 --> 2:17:58
in a molecular world, molecular world is ruled by,

2828
2:17:58 --> 2:17:59
I mentioned two things,

2829
2:17:59 --> 2:18:01
which is the three dimensional shape fit

2830
2:18:01 --> 2:18:03
between the two entities,

2831
2:18:03 --> 2:18:07
as well as electrostatic surface of these,

2832
2:18:07 --> 2:18:08
and they have to match as well.

2833
2:18:08 --> 2:18:11
So you need to bring negative to positive

2834
2:18:11 --> 2:18:12
in order to match it.

2835
2:18:12 --> 2:18:14
And if you have some positive positive,

2836
2:18:14 --> 2:18:15
then they will repulse.

2837
2:18:15 --> 2:18:16
There's another third component,

2838
2:18:16 --> 2:18:19
which is the quantity as well that also rules the world.

2839
2:18:19 --> 2:18:24
But so three dimensional shape, electrostatic Omicron

2840
2:18:24 --> 2:18:26
is, looks ideal.

2841
2:18:26 --> 2:18:29
It's perfect shape, perfect charge

2842
2:18:29 --> 2:18:31
to grab onto the ACE2 receptor,

2843
2:18:31 --> 2:18:34
which is one of the reasons why.

2844
2:18:34 --> 2:18:37
One, the other one is of course that it also is perfect

2845
2:18:37 --> 2:18:40
when it comes to escaping neutralizing antibodies.

2846
2:18:40 --> 2:18:44
It's, but luckily for us, it's also been milder.

2847
2:18:44 --> 2:18:45
It's milder.

2848
2:18:45 --> 2:18:48
Are these trivial variations or are these significant?

2849
2:18:49 --> 2:18:51
And then the other question is,

2850
2:18:51 --> 2:18:55
if you had it, if you could redesign this whole thing,

2851
2:18:55 --> 2:18:56
would it be better to make,

2852
2:18:56 --> 2:18:59
I mean, is this spike considered active?

2853
2:18:59 --> 2:19:03
The spike is not a virus, it's a viral fragment.

2854
2:19:03 --> 2:19:07
Is it, is this an inactive viral fragment?

2855
2:19:07 --> 2:19:10
And does what I'm saying even make any sense?

2856
2:19:10 --> 2:19:15
They talk about an inactive virus vaccine.

2857
2:19:15 --> 2:19:16
So-

2858
2:19:16 --> 2:19:17
Different concept.

2859
2:19:17 --> 2:19:21
We're now getting hugely big and we've got three minutes.

2860
2:19:21 --> 2:19:24
Okay, I'm pass.

2861
2:19:24 --> 2:19:28
We can connect, but you're now,

2862
2:19:28 --> 2:19:31
you're marrying two different concepts by accident.

2863
2:19:31 --> 2:19:35
So we're talking about vaccine

2864
2:19:35 --> 2:19:39
where you actually vaccinate people with an actual virus.

2865
2:19:39 --> 2:19:44
And as opposed to here, we're inserting mRNA template,

2866
2:19:45 --> 2:19:47
completely different technology,

2867
2:19:47 --> 2:19:48
which has never been used before.

2868
2:19:48 --> 2:19:53
So then live attenuated virus versus inactivated virus,

2869
2:19:53 --> 2:19:56
that's the traditional approach we've been using in the past.

2870
2:19:56 --> 2:19:59
mRNA, what we're doing is to build this template

2871
2:19:59 --> 2:20:04
that's never used before, first time in humans.

2872
2:20:04 --> 2:20:07
Charles, would it be possible before Sam has to leave,

2873
2:20:07 --> 2:20:10
whether if Arianna could go before Theresa?

2874
2:20:11 --> 2:20:14
Yep, yep, cause Sam has to go in a couple of minutes.

2875
2:20:14 --> 2:20:17
So Arianna, you go and then Theresa and then John,

2876
2:20:17 --> 2:20:19
and then we'll wrap the four melodies.

2877
2:20:19 --> 2:20:20
Arianna.

2878
2:20:20 --> 2:20:22
Okay, thank you. Nice to meet you, Dr. Love.

2879
2:20:22 --> 2:20:23
Oh, thank you.

2880
2:20:23 --> 2:20:25
I'm a naturopathic doctor and a journalist

2881
2:20:25 --> 2:20:27
for the past 11 years.

2882
2:20:28 --> 2:20:30
I have a question for you.

2883
2:20:30 --> 2:20:32
I have three questions very quick.

2884
2:20:32 --> 2:20:34
The first one is,

2885
2:20:34 --> 2:20:38
have you read the COVID-19 vaccine patents?

2886
2:20:39 --> 2:20:41
No, I'm aware of it.

2887
2:20:41 --> 2:20:45
I've seen some of that information, but no.

2888
2:20:46 --> 2:20:49
Now keep in mind that this does not necessarily

2889
2:20:49 --> 2:20:51
have to be linked at all to the current pandemic,

2890
2:20:51 --> 2:20:54
because as I was earlier mentioning,

2891
2:20:54 --> 2:20:57
we knew that the likelihood of the future pandemic

2892
2:20:57 --> 2:21:00
being coronavirus was going to be very high

2893
2:21:00 --> 2:21:03
ever since the SARS original came out.

2894
2:21:03 --> 2:21:06
And we know that coronaviruses,

2895
2:21:06 --> 2:21:10
their presence in the animal reservoir

2896
2:21:10 --> 2:21:13
and how likely they could have been transferred,

2897
2:21:13 --> 2:21:15
we knew it's a very high risk.

2898
2:21:15 --> 2:21:17
So we've been preparing for this,

2899
2:21:17 --> 2:21:20
including patents for decades.

2900
2:21:21 --> 2:21:22
Okay, my second question is,

2901
2:21:22 --> 2:21:26
would you be willing to look at the patents,

2902
2:21:26 --> 2:21:30
look at my articles where they're highly referenced,

2903
2:21:30 --> 2:21:33
very well referenced with peer review literature

2904
2:21:33 --> 2:21:36
and has the direct links to patents

2905
2:21:36 --> 2:21:39
and information that is in the patents.

2906
2:21:39 --> 2:21:42
Would you be willing to look at that?

2907
2:21:42 --> 2:21:43
For sure, for sure.

2908
2:21:43 --> 2:21:45
Awesome, thank you.

2909
2:21:45 --> 2:21:48
So you can get my email, you can contact me.

2910
2:21:49 --> 2:21:51
And the third question really quick is,

2911
2:21:51 --> 2:21:54
are you aware that they're deleting genes in humans now

2912
2:21:54 --> 2:21:57
with the COVID-19 vaccine?

2913
2:21:57 --> 2:22:00
No, to completely, and I would love to see

2914
2:22:00 --> 2:22:02
if you have a scientific proof of that statement.

2915
2:22:02 --> 2:22:03
I do, thank you.

2916
2:22:03 --> 2:22:06
I have five articles, I'll send them to you.

2917
2:22:06 --> 2:22:09
But hang on, Mariana, can you explain that to me?

2918
2:22:09 --> 2:22:14
I thought the proof was more in the intent of the patents

2919
2:22:15 --> 2:22:17
or the possible intent of the patents.

2920
2:22:17 --> 2:22:22
It's in the intent, it's in the adverse reactions

2921
2:22:22 --> 2:22:23
of the vaccinated people.

2922
2:22:24 --> 2:22:27
The evidence is all around us.

2923
2:22:27 --> 2:22:32
And it's, see, the gene deletion causes all the symptoms

2924
2:22:32 --> 2:22:33
that we're seeing.

2925
2:22:33 --> 2:22:36
It induces AIDS, it induces myocarditis,

2926
2:22:36 --> 2:22:39
it induces blood coagulation because it dries up

2927
2:22:39 --> 2:22:42
the moisture glands in the body.

2928
2:22:44 --> 2:22:46
But Mariana, why don't you pose it as a question?

2929
2:22:51 --> 2:22:51
Well, I did.

2930
2:22:52 --> 2:22:53
Okay.

2931
2:22:53 --> 2:22:54
I asked the questions.

2932
2:22:54 --> 2:22:58
I mean, I'm very aware that they're deleting genes.

2933
2:22:58 --> 2:23:01
There's no question in my mind because I've read,

2934
2:23:01 --> 2:23:02
I've looked at the evidence.

2935
2:23:02 --> 2:23:03
But if you haven't looked at that.

2936
2:23:03 --> 2:23:06
I gotta tell you scientifically,

2937
2:23:06 --> 2:23:09
I would not understand how you could achieve that

2938
2:23:09 --> 2:23:11
with the mRNA vaccines.

2939
2:23:11 --> 2:23:12
CRISPR-Cas9.

2940
2:23:12 --> 2:23:14
So that's why I'm abusing, sorry?

2941
2:23:14 --> 2:23:17
They're using CRISPR-Cas9 technology.

2942
2:23:17 --> 2:23:21
Ah, if you use CRISPR-Cas9, for sure you could do that.

2943
2:23:21 --> 2:23:26
Then, but that's not part of this scheme though.

2944
2:23:29 --> 2:23:31
We have nothing to do with CRISPR-Cas9

2945
2:23:31 --> 2:23:32
here with these vaccines though.

2946
2:23:32 --> 2:23:33
So then-

2947
2:23:33 --> 2:23:35
Mariana, it's in the patents, so isn't it?

2948
2:23:35 --> 2:23:38
It's in all the patents in the Pfizer and the Moderna,

2949
2:23:38 --> 2:23:43
all of the major so-called vaccines that are being used.

2950
2:23:43 --> 2:23:47
They're, it's in their patents.

2951
2:23:47 --> 2:23:48
Yeah, it's in their patents.

2952
2:23:48 --> 2:23:50
But isn't that just to cut the sequences

2953
2:23:50 --> 2:23:52
into the product material

2954
2:23:52 --> 2:23:55
as opposed to injecting CRISPR into people?

2955
2:23:57 --> 2:24:02
They are injecting microspheres, micro bubbles, micro,

2956
2:24:06 --> 2:24:06
what is it?

2957
2:24:06 --> 2:24:08
It's, I forgot the last one.

2958
2:24:08 --> 2:24:11
It's microbeads that pass the blood-brain barrier.

2959
2:24:11 --> 2:24:12
They're in the patents.

2960
2:24:12 --> 2:24:17
And they've been identified under the microscope.

2961
2:24:18 --> 2:24:19
So there's plenty of evidence

2962
2:24:19 --> 2:24:22
that they are deleting genes in humans

2963
2:24:22 --> 2:24:27
and coding, adding complementary DNA, cDNA.

2964
2:24:27 --> 2:24:31
So they're genetically modifying people now.

2965
2:24:31 --> 2:24:32
And they're targeting-

2966
2:24:32 --> 2:24:32
Now keep in mind though,

2967
2:24:32 --> 2:24:35
if it is not scientifically published,

2968
2:24:35 --> 2:24:38
then in our world, it does not exist.

2969
2:24:39 --> 2:24:39
Right, so-

2970
2:24:39 --> 2:24:41
That's what I'm afraid of, yeah.

2971
2:24:41 --> 2:24:43
Just keep that in mind.

2972
2:24:43 --> 2:24:48
So then your information will most likely remain,

2973
2:24:48 --> 2:24:51
unless it's published, observed and documented

2974
2:24:51 --> 2:24:53
and published in the scientific literature,

2975
2:24:53 --> 2:24:57
it's simply going to remain speculative.

2976
2:24:57 --> 2:25:00
And I hope you're wrong.

2977
2:25:00 --> 2:25:03
It's what you're describing is, sounds horrible.

2978
2:25:03 --> 2:25:04
Horrible.

2979
2:25:04 --> 2:25:06
So I obviously hope you're wrong.

2980
2:25:06 --> 2:25:07
They're deleting, I believe-

2981
2:25:07 --> 2:25:08
Now, is it possible?

2982
2:25:08 --> 2:25:11
Yes, it is possible what you're saying completely,

2983
2:25:11 --> 2:25:13
because it's already been done.

2984
2:25:13 --> 2:25:14
China was the first country,

2985
2:25:14 --> 2:25:18
the first nation where we actually have birth

2986
2:25:18 --> 2:25:20
of genetically modified babies.

2987
2:25:20 --> 2:25:23
And that was in 2018 already.

2988
2:25:23 --> 2:25:27
And it created a massive scientific outcry against this.

2989
2:25:27 --> 2:25:29
We don't even know what happened to them,

2990
2:25:29 --> 2:25:31
but I wrote about this in my blog as well,

2991
2:25:31 --> 2:25:35
about genetically first designer babies we're talking about,

2992
2:25:35 --> 2:25:37
where they use CRISPR technology to,

2993
2:25:37 --> 2:25:39
but this was done in an embryo.

2994
2:25:39 --> 2:25:42
So what you're referring to would be,

2995
2:25:42 --> 2:25:45
you would only be able to target certain amount of tissue

2996
2:25:45 --> 2:25:48
and it would be localized.

2997
2:25:49 --> 2:25:50
So, but if you're mentioning-

2998
2:25:50 --> 2:25:51
Like embryonic cells.

2999
2:25:51 --> 2:25:53
Crossing blood, brain barrier.

3000
2:25:54 --> 2:25:58
But my goodness, I hope nothing you're saying is true.

3001
2:25:58 --> 2:25:59
Please read my articles.

3002
2:25:59 --> 2:26:00
It would be horrible.

3003
2:26:00 --> 2:26:02
Absolutely, I copied everything.

3004
2:26:02 --> 2:26:03
Thank you so much.

3005
2:26:03 --> 2:26:04
Yeah.

3006
2:26:04 --> 2:26:06
Okay, we've got two more quick.

3007
2:26:06 --> 2:26:09
Theresa and John and Sam, you're there, so you can go.

3008
2:26:09 --> 2:26:11
Thank you for your contribution, Sam.

3009
2:26:11 --> 2:26:12
You have to go when you have to go.

3010
2:26:12 --> 2:26:15
Theresa, next, we're over time.

3011
2:26:15 --> 2:26:16
Theresa, go.

3012
2:26:17 --> 2:26:18
Hi, thanks.

3013
2:26:18 --> 2:26:20
I'll try and keep it brief.

3014
2:26:20 --> 2:26:24
Have you heard of the science of magnetogenetics at all?

3015
2:26:25 --> 2:26:26
No.

3016
2:26:26 --> 2:26:28
Some such as that.

3017
2:26:28 --> 2:26:29
Apparently-

3018
2:26:29 --> 2:26:31
Magnetogenomics is a kind of,

3019
2:26:31 --> 2:26:35
it's another form of transfection mechanism.

3020
2:26:35 --> 2:26:37
Magnetogenetics.

3021
2:26:38 --> 2:26:40
Magnetogenetics.

3022
2:26:40 --> 2:26:43
It's a team managed to,

3023
2:26:44 --> 2:26:48
by injecting the substance into some, I believe, mice,

3024
2:26:48 --> 2:26:51
they managed to affect the mouse behavior.

3025
2:26:51 --> 2:26:56
They could, by using external electromagnetic radiation,

3026
2:26:56 --> 2:27:01
they could persuade the mice to groom, not groom,

3027
2:27:01 --> 2:27:05
mate, not mate, go to a certain area of the cage.

3028
2:27:05 --> 2:27:08
They can affect mice behavior with this technology,

3029
2:27:08 --> 2:27:12
and they call it magnetogenetics.

3030
2:27:12 --> 2:27:14
There were a few papers published about it.

3031
2:27:14 --> 2:27:15
Have you heard about it?

3032
2:27:16 --> 2:27:18
So the concept makes sense.

3033
2:27:18 --> 2:27:20
We're talking about not modifying genetics.

3034
2:27:20 --> 2:27:25
We're talking about modification of use of genetics.

3035
2:27:25 --> 2:27:26
Yeah, yeah.

3036
2:27:26 --> 2:27:30
So it just struck me that part of this agenda 2030

3037
2:27:30 --> 2:27:34
or agenda 21 that Klaus Schwab keeps going on about

3038
2:27:34 --> 2:27:37
is that by 2030, you'll own nothing, but you'll be happy.

3039
2:27:38 --> 2:27:40
And a lot of the scientists-

3040
2:27:40 --> 2:27:41
I'm already there.

3041
2:27:41 --> 2:27:46
A lot of the scientists and doctors are speculating

3042
2:27:46 --> 2:27:48
that perhaps they're actually going to be,

3043
2:27:48 --> 2:27:52
they're actually injecting something in these vaccines

3044
2:27:52 --> 2:27:57
that may be used to influence behavior in a very crude way.

3045
2:28:00 --> 2:28:02
And it certainly concerns me because although

3046
2:28:02 --> 2:28:05
I haven't had a COVID-19 vaccination,

3047
2:28:05 --> 2:28:09
I have had two flu vaccinations in the last three years,

3048
2:28:09 --> 2:28:12
well, four years, and they were because I was coerced

3049
2:28:12 --> 2:28:13
into having them for work.

3050
2:28:13 --> 2:28:18
I had two flu jabs, and now my sternum is magnetic,

3051
2:28:19 --> 2:28:21
and that greatly concerns me.

3052
2:28:22 --> 2:28:23
I've seen lots of videos.

3053
2:28:23 --> 2:28:27
I've got friends who actually found that their injection

3054
2:28:27 --> 2:28:30
site on their arm was magnetic after being vaccinated.

3055
2:28:30 --> 2:28:34
There is an explanation for that potential

3056
2:28:34 --> 2:28:35
for the injection site.

3057
2:28:36 --> 2:28:38
I would not know how to explain your sternum experience,

3058
2:28:38 --> 2:28:40
but for the injection site, remember,

3059
2:28:40 --> 2:28:45
you're injecting highly positively charged molecules

3060
2:28:47 --> 2:28:48
so that they can enter the cell.

3061
2:28:48 --> 2:28:52
So you could in theory, and I'm just extending that,

3062
2:28:52 --> 2:28:57
you could in theory then have a momentary change

3063
2:28:57 --> 2:29:01
in the electrostatic surface on your body

3064
2:29:01 --> 2:29:05
on the side of injection, so that if you took something

3065
2:29:05 --> 2:29:09
of the opposite charge, you could literally potentially

3066
2:29:09 --> 2:29:11
attach it to your skin.

3067
2:29:11 --> 2:29:13
Well, you'd have to be moving the magnet

3068
2:29:13 --> 2:29:15
or the metal next to your skin.

3069
2:29:15 --> 2:29:18
I think people are just sticking forks

3070
2:29:18 --> 2:29:21
and keys to their arms, which I found very interesting.

3071
2:29:21 --> 2:29:24
And, well, perhaps you might want to look into it.

3072
2:29:24 --> 2:29:28
I'll send you a link, but the only,

3073
2:29:28 --> 2:29:32
the last thing I was gonna say is just for fun and giggles,

3074
2:29:32 --> 2:29:36
go on YouTube or TikTok and look for pandemic babies.

3075
2:29:36 --> 2:29:38
It's really fascinating.

3076
2:29:38 --> 2:29:41
We're seeing neonates able to lift their heads.

3077
2:29:43 --> 2:29:45
And I don't know if it's a hoax.

3078
2:29:45 --> 2:29:48
If it is a hoax, it's a very elaborate one,

3079
2:29:48 --> 2:29:50
but it is really interesting.

3080
2:29:50 --> 2:29:55
Pandemic babies, babies able to turn over at two weeks.

3081
2:29:55 --> 2:29:57
Now we've discussed it in previous Zoom meetings

3082
2:29:57 --> 2:30:00
with doctors, because that's always a bit of fun

3083
2:30:00 --> 2:30:03
to sort of to go out on the fringe there,

3084
2:30:03 --> 2:30:07
but it is something definitely worth looking at

3085
2:30:07 --> 2:30:11
because if it's true, it's not a secret

3086
2:30:11 --> 2:30:12
they'll be able to keep for very long.

3087
2:30:14 --> 2:30:17
But I know it's fringe, but it's really, really interesting.

3088
2:30:17 --> 2:30:18
Yes, we've seen those videos

3089
2:30:18 --> 2:30:21
and Teresa has brought them to our attention.

3090
2:30:21 --> 2:30:22
It is fascinating.

3091
2:30:22 --> 2:30:25
And anyway, thank you, John, last question.

3092
2:30:25 --> 2:30:26
Thank you, Teresa.

3093
2:30:26 --> 2:30:30
And pandemic babies look, they're uplifting heads.

3094
2:30:30 --> 2:30:33
It also the question of human augmentation.

3095
2:30:33 --> 2:30:35
We should have a, Stephen,

3096
2:30:35 --> 2:30:37
we should have a topic on this whole question.

3097
2:30:37 --> 2:30:41
Ministry of Defense and its human augmentation plans.

3098
2:30:41 --> 2:30:44
That's a different topic, not for today.

3099
2:30:44 --> 2:30:46
John, your question.

3100
2:30:46 --> 2:30:47
Last question.

3101
2:30:48 --> 2:30:50
Can you hear me okay?

3102
2:30:50 --> 2:30:51
Yep.

3103
2:30:52 --> 2:30:55
Sorry, I was late to the meeting.

3104
2:30:56 --> 2:30:59
My question really is stems around the integrity

3105
2:30:59 --> 2:31:03
of the mRNA sequence that they're injecting into people.

3106
2:31:04 --> 2:31:07
Is there any proof or any documentation out there

3107
2:31:07 --> 2:31:11
showing that they may be injecting different mRNA strains?

3108
2:31:11 --> 2:31:14
Cause we're seeing a bevy of different organ involvement

3109
2:31:16 --> 2:31:18
manifestations rather.

3110
2:31:18 --> 2:31:19
That's kind of my first question.

3111
2:31:19 --> 2:31:21
My second question is this,

3112
2:31:21 --> 2:31:23
is the difference between the vaccine

3113
2:31:23 --> 2:31:26
which is producing the spike protein,

3114
2:31:26 --> 2:31:28
in theory, the spike proteins,

3115
2:31:28 --> 2:31:30
the same as the infected particle.

3116
2:31:30 --> 2:31:35
Why are we seeing different manifestations in that process?

3117
2:31:36 --> 2:31:40
And, you know, those are just two questions

3118
2:31:40 --> 2:31:43
that have been kind of beating my head around.

3119
2:31:43 --> 2:31:45
Cause we're ultimately looking for,

3120
2:31:45 --> 2:31:47
what is the purpose behind this?

3121
2:31:47 --> 2:31:50
It's definitely not to vaccinate the population

3122
2:31:50 --> 2:31:52
and to provide immunity.

3123
2:31:52 --> 2:31:54
So there has to be something else to it.

3124
2:31:56 --> 2:31:58
If you could answer those, that'd be awesome.

3125
2:31:58 --> 2:31:59
If not, no worries.

3126
2:31:59 --> 2:32:01
I really appreciate it.

3127
2:32:01 --> 2:32:03
And I also appreciate the meeting.

3128
2:32:03 --> 2:32:04
Thank you.

3129
2:32:05 --> 2:32:09
Who wants to, is it me or is it you, Sam?

3130
2:32:09 --> 2:32:10
I can add something.

3131
2:32:10 --> 2:32:12
You can go first, if you want.

3132
2:32:12 --> 2:32:13
So in terms of sequencing,

3133
2:32:13 --> 2:32:15
that actually would be very interesting.

3134
2:32:15 --> 2:32:16
As far as I know,

3135
2:32:16 --> 2:32:19
I don't think anyone has independently

3136
2:32:19 --> 2:32:21
been investigating the mRNA sequence.

3137
2:32:21 --> 2:32:22
Very simple to do though.

3138
2:32:22 --> 2:32:25
So this is actually interesting

3139
2:32:25 --> 2:32:28
because it will be very simple to do in theory,

3140
2:32:28 --> 2:32:31
to check the sequence of the mRNA

3141
2:32:31 --> 2:32:33
and whether that's been altered or not.

3142
2:32:33 --> 2:32:36
Of course it's not supposed to be altered, right?

3143
2:32:36 --> 2:32:38
It's therapeutic.

3144
2:32:38 --> 2:32:40
You're not supposed to be changing it.

3145
2:32:40 --> 2:32:42
And the goal is indeed to change it.

3146
2:32:42 --> 2:32:43
And that's what they're working on

3147
2:32:43 --> 2:32:47
in order to come up with a anti-omicron vaccine.

3148
2:32:47 --> 2:32:48
Now, in terms of the second one

3149
2:32:49 --> 2:32:53
and why you would be seeing differences of,

3150
2:32:53 --> 2:32:55
let's call it adverse events,

3151
2:32:55 --> 2:32:58
post natural infection versus vaccination.

3152
2:32:58 --> 2:33:00
Well, they're totally different processes.

3153
2:33:00 --> 2:33:03
So even let's assume they're identical.

3154
2:33:03 --> 2:33:04
They're not mRNA vaccines.

3155
2:33:04 --> 2:33:06
There's a very, very small change,

3156
2:33:06 --> 2:33:09
but there's still obviously major differences in that.

3157
2:33:09 --> 2:33:10
With natural infection,

3158
2:33:10 --> 2:33:13
you are responding with your immune system

3159
2:33:13 --> 2:33:16
to all of the viral proteins.

3160
2:33:16 --> 2:33:18
And with vaccination,

3161
2:33:18 --> 2:33:21
you're only responding to the spike protein.

3162
2:33:21 --> 2:33:23
And the quantities could be dramatically different.

3163
2:33:23 --> 2:33:25
Now, I don't know what the quantities are,

3164
2:33:25 --> 2:33:28
but the quantity of your body being exposed

3165
2:33:28 --> 2:33:31
to post natural infection to the spike protein

3166
2:33:31 --> 2:33:35
versus post vaccination could also be different.

3167
2:33:35 --> 2:33:37
And that could also result in different outcomes.

3168
2:33:37 --> 2:33:40
So that'll be my simple answer to those questions.

3169
2:33:42 --> 2:33:44
So the first question is,

3170
2:33:46 --> 2:33:47
has anybody sequenced this?

3171
2:33:47 --> 2:33:49
And to my knowledge,

3172
2:33:49 --> 2:33:54
there is a freedom of information request into the TGA

3173
2:33:56 --> 2:34:01
who are so far obfuscating the answer.

3174
2:34:01 --> 2:34:05
And the question was, what are the batch reports?

3175
2:34:05 --> 2:34:09
Can you provide the documents for the batch reports

3176
2:34:09 --> 2:34:11
of the batches that you have published on your website

3177
2:34:11 --> 2:34:14
as having been tested?

3178
2:34:14 --> 2:34:17
And this goes back to David Wiseman again,

3179
2:34:17 --> 2:34:20
that clip is so important for people to understand

3180
2:34:20 --> 2:34:25
what's happening at the federal drug regulators,

3181
2:34:25 --> 2:34:27
because they don't understand this technology.

3182
2:34:27 --> 2:34:29
And I keep banging on about this.

3183
2:34:29 --> 2:34:33
But none of the regulators have sequenced the batches

3184
2:34:33 --> 2:34:35
as far as I'm aware.

3185
2:34:35 --> 2:34:37
So in a normal circumstance for a drug regulator

3186
2:34:37 --> 2:34:39
will take hydroxychloroquine or whatever,

3187
2:34:39 --> 2:34:41
they know that the chemical composition is,

3188
2:34:41 --> 2:34:43
they put it through a mass spectrometer,

3189
2:34:43 --> 2:34:48
99.99% purity, signed off, no problem, easy peasy.

3190
2:34:48 --> 2:34:51
For this, you can't do that.

3191
2:34:51 --> 2:34:53
mRNA is so difficult to handle.

3192
2:34:53 --> 2:34:56
If you saw it, it degrades,

3193
2:34:56 --> 2:34:58
it becomes a different product.

3194
2:34:58 --> 2:34:59
The sequences go,

3195
2:35:01 --> 2:35:03
there is a paper that was published

3196
2:35:04 --> 2:35:06
that I have a copy of.

3197
2:35:06 --> 2:35:11
It was published in sort of a preprint format

3198
2:35:11 --> 2:35:13
and it is by, where is it now?

3199
2:35:13 --> 2:35:14
Did you do it?

3200
2:35:14 --> 2:35:17
Give me two seconds, sorry for the pause.

3201
2:35:17 --> 2:35:21
By Jiang and Shora, S-H-O-U-R-A,

3202
2:35:21 --> 2:35:22
and it's called,

3203
2:35:22 --> 2:35:25
Assemblies of Putative SARS-CoV-2 Spike Encoding

3204
2:35:25 --> 2:35:30
mRNA Sequences for Vaccines, BNT162V2 and mRNA1273,

3205
2:35:31 --> 2:35:34
which are the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

3206
2:35:34 --> 2:35:36
And that paper is from Stanford.

3207
2:35:36 --> 2:35:40
And that paper, they took the samples of the vaccines

3208
2:35:40 --> 2:35:41
and sequenced them.

3209
2:35:42 --> 2:35:43
And the Pfizer vaccine was fine.

3210
2:35:43 --> 2:35:44
It was completely 100% the sequence

3211
2:35:44 --> 2:35:47
that was published in the WHO documents.

3212
2:35:47 --> 2:35:51
The Moderna vaccine that I checked the sequence for

3213
2:35:51 --> 2:35:54
from that document is completely all over the place,

3214
2:35:54 --> 2:35:55
completely all over the place.

3215
2:35:55 --> 2:35:58
It's got deletions, it's got frame shifts,

3216
2:35:58 --> 2:36:00
it's just a disaster.

3217
2:36:00 --> 2:36:03
So the assumption there is that

3218
2:36:03 --> 2:36:06
the Pfizer one they got was still cold

3219
2:36:06 --> 2:36:08
and the other one they got, the Moderna one,

3220
2:36:08 --> 2:36:10
had been out of the fridge for a period of time.

3221
2:36:10 --> 2:36:12
So not only did the drug regulators

3222
2:36:12 --> 2:36:15
have to sequence the fresh product,

3223
2:36:15 --> 2:36:16
but they also have to take samples.

3224
2:36:16 --> 2:36:18
This is what they should be doing.

3225
2:36:18 --> 2:36:20
They should be going to the vaccination centers

3226
2:36:20 --> 2:36:22
and taking samples of the ones

3227
2:36:22 --> 2:36:24
that have been out of the fridge for an hour

3228
2:36:24 --> 2:36:26
that they are injecting

3229
2:36:26 --> 2:36:29
and making sure that those sequences are not degrading.

3230
2:36:29 --> 2:36:30
Because mRNA is complete,

3231
2:36:30 --> 2:36:33
and you know, Miko will testify to this,

3232
2:36:33 --> 2:36:37
mRNA is one of the most thermally unstable

3233
2:36:37 --> 2:36:38
biological products we have.

3234
2:36:38 --> 2:36:40
The only thing keeping it in its confirmation

3235
2:36:41 --> 2:36:42
is those lipid nanoparticles,

3236
2:36:42 --> 2:36:46
but they're not like the panacea.

3237
2:36:46 --> 2:36:49
So the idea you could just inject it at any temperature

3238
2:36:49 --> 2:36:51
was always problematic,

3239
2:36:51 --> 2:36:53
but it's never been investigated.

3240
2:36:55 --> 2:36:58
In terms of why it's having effects on different regions,

3241
2:37:00 --> 2:37:02
what you should be doing for respiratory virus

3242
2:37:02 --> 2:37:04
is taking a nasal vaccine,

3243
2:37:04 --> 2:37:07
and that's what a lot of places are developing.

3244
2:37:07 --> 2:37:09
And that's fine, you know, let's do it.

3245
2:37:09 --> 2:37:12
Because that will give you the IgA that you need.

3246
2:37:12 --> 2:37:15
Injecting, and Sushir Abakdi talks about this

3247
2:37:15 --> 2:37:17
quite eloquently,

3248
2:37:17 --> 2:37:20
injecting something into the arm

3249
2:37:20 --> 2:37:23
to give you protection in the lungs

3250
2:37:23 --> 2:37:25
makes no sense at all.

3251
2:37:25 --> 2:37:29
And it's okay if the clinical data showed that it was true,

3252
2:37:29 --> 2:37:30
then that would be fine.

3253
2:37:30 --> 2:37:31
But as we're finding out,

3254
2:37:31 --> 2:37:34
the clinical data that we see in the world

3255
2:37:34 --> 2:37:36
is not the clinical data

3256
2:37:36 --> 2:37:39
that the pharma companies produced

3257
2:37:39 --> 2:37:40
in their shiny brochures.

3258
2:37:40 --> 2:37:43
And there is also the bio-distribution issues,

3259
2:37:43 --> 2:37:45
which is in that document that I sent around,

3260
2:37:45 --> 2:37:47
the TGA evaluation report.

3261
2:37:47 --> 2:37:49
That document is really important.

3262
2:37:49 --> 2:37:52
It shows the bio-distribution of the product

3263
2:37:53 --> 2:37:57
in the spleen, liver, adrenals, and ovaries,

3264
2:37:57 --> 2:37:58
and it's in English as opposed to Japanese,

3265
2:37:58 --> 2:37:59
which is helpful.

3266
2:38:01 --> 2:38:02
Thank you.

3267
2:38:02 --> 2:38:02
Thank you, Sam.

3268
2:38:02 --> 2:38:03
Thanks. Okay.

3269
2:38:04 --> 2:38:06
Thank you for the question.

3270
2:38:06 --> 2:38:07
All right, Stephen,

3271
2:38:07 --> 2:38:09
we're now come to the end of the formalities.

3272
2:38:09 --> 2:38:11
It's now pub time.

3273
2:38:11 --> 2:38:12
You can all go to the pub.

3274
2:38:12 --> 2:38:17
Sam, I am removing you, Sam.

3275
2:38:17 --> 2:38:22
We're making you free as just a second.

3276
2:38:23 --> 2:38:25
No, we want Sam here.

3277
2:38:25 --> 2:38:27
Just a second.

3278
2:38:27 --> 2:38:28
We'll go there.

3279
2:38:29 --> 2:38:32
We'll remove you as co-host for the moment.

3280
2:38:32 --> 2:38:34
I will make Stephen,

3281
2:38:34 --> 2:38:37
there's a worry, we'll make Stephen the host.

3282
2:38:38 --> 2:38:42
And Stephen, would you think,

3283
2:38:42 --> 2:38:45
would you think I, Sam, and...

3284
2:38:45 --> 2:38:46
Yes.

3285
2:38:47 --> 2:38:50
So, Mikolai, thank you so much for doing this.

3286
2:38:50 --> 2:38:55
And also Sam, one last thing I'd really like to ask you about.

3287
2:38:55 --> 2:38:57
Well, there are two things actually,

3288
2:38:57 --> 2:38:59
the toxicity, the possible toxicity

3289
2:38:59 --> 2:39:03
of the cationic lipid particles,

3290
2:39:03 --> 2:39:06
which Michael Palmer talks about.

3291
2:39:06 --> 2:39:08
He's a biochemist and pharmacologist

3292
2:39:08 --> 2:39:13
and microbiologist in Canada.

3293
2:39:13 --> 2:39:16
He's German, but he's got an English name.

3294
2:39:16 --> 2:39:18
He's absolutely brilliant.

3295
2:39:18 --> 2:39:21
So Sukrit Bhakhti, who himself is brilliant,

3296
2:39:22 --> 2:39:25
said that he's the most brilliant student that he ever had.

3297
2:39:25 --> 2:39:27
He's a medical doctor.

3298
2:39:27 --> 2:39:29
He's an immunologist.

3299
2:39:29 --> 2:39:30
He's a microbiologist.

3300
2:39:30 --> 2:39:32
So he's a bacteriologist, a virologist,

3301
2:39:32 --> 2:39:34
and a parasitologist.

3302
2:39:34 --> 2:39:38
He's also a biochemist, a pharmacologist,

3303
2:39:38 --> 2:39:41
and a toxicologist.

3304
2:39:41 --> 2:39:44
And he referred, so he's done a four minute video.

3305
2:39:44 --> 2:39:46
I'll try and find the link,

3306
2:39:46 --> 2:39:48
but I won't be able to find it for the chat now.

3307
2:39:50 --> 2:39:52
I've posted the link in the chat.

3308
2:39:52 --> 2:39:53
You've just put it, great.

3309
2:39:53 --> 2:39:54
Thank you, Theresa.

3310
2:39:55 --> 2:39:59
So he's done a video and it really is chilling

3311
2:39:59 --> 2:40:00
when you listen to it.

3312
2:40:00 --> 2:40:02
So he is a medical doctor, remember.

3313
2:40:02 --> 2:40:07
So he says that my opinion as a medical doctor,

3314
2:40:07 --> 2:40:10
he's talking about the toxicity.

3315
2:40:10 --> 2:40:12
Well, he talks about several things in those four minutes,

3316
2:40:12 --> 2:40:14
but it's really chilling to listen to him.

3317
2:40:14 --> 2:40:19
The toxicity of the cationic lipid particles.

3318
2:40:19 --> 2:40:21
Do you know anything about that or not?

3319
2:40:22 --> 2:40:23
Myself, I don't.

3320
2:40:25 --> 2:40:29
And I'm wondering, it comes down to the question basically,

3321
2:40:29 --> 2:40:33
because indeed when the vehicle fuses with the cell membrane,

3322
2:40:33 --> 2:40:36
you're going to have these novel

3323
2:40:36 --> 2:40:41
and basically exogenous foreign lipids in our membrane.

3324
2:40:42 --> 2:40:45
But keep in mind, most likely those cells

3325
2:40:45 --> 2:40:48
will also be destined for destruction by the immune system.

3326
2:40:48 --> 2:40:49
Sure.

3327
2:40:49 --> 2:40:53
So I'm hoping that that would mitigate problems

3328
2:40:53 --> 2:40:57
associated with, potentially associated with these lipids.

3329
2:40:58 --> 2:41:01
Yeah, well, apparently he says in this video,

3330
2:41:01 --> 2:41:03
it's really interesting to watch,

3331
2:41:03 --> 2:41:08
but it's, and he says it so casually that it has a certain power,

3332
2:41:08 --> 2:41:09
but it's very difficult to find this video.

3333
2:41:09 --> 2:41:12
Theresa manages to find it every time I ask her.

3334
2:41:13 --> 2:41:18
But so I recommend that I'd be very interested

3335
2:41:18 --> 2:41:21
in what both of you think of that video,

3336
2:41:21 --> 2:41:23
of the bits that you understand.

3337
2:41:23 --> 2:41:25
And last question,

3338
2:41:25 --> 2:41:29
and this maybe is more for Sam than for you, Miklai,

3339
2:41:29 --> 2:41:32
but maybe you have views on it.

3340
2:41:32 --> 2:41:34
So as far as I know,

3341
2:41:34 --> 2:41:37
no one knows what the contents of the vaccines are.

3342
2:41:37 --> 2:41:41
No doctor in the world and no regulatory body knows.

3343
2:41:41 --> 2:41:46
The big pharma companies refer to trade secrets

3344
2:41:46 --> 2:41:49
as a reason why they can't disclose

3345
2:41:49 --> 2:41:52
the full list of contents of the vaccine.

3346
2:41:53 --> 2:41:55
My question to you in particular, Sam,

3347
2:41:55 --> 2:41:57
because I believe you're a medical doctor, is that right?

3348
2:42:02 --> 2:42:05
Yeah, I'm only a surgeon, which I don't make it count.

3349
2:42:05 --> 2:42:06
Yeah, but you're still a medical doctor.

3350
2:42:06 --> 2:42:11
So my question is this,

3351
2:42:11 --> 2:42:14
if you don't know what the contents of the vaccines are,

3352
2:42:14 --> 2:42:17
these vials, and then you've got different lots as well,

3353
2:42:17 --> 2:42:20
and we don't know what the contents of those are either,

3354
2:42:20 --> 2:42:25
obviously, then how on earth can you possibly obtain

3355
2:42:25 --> 2:42:27
informed consent from the patient?

3356
2:42:29 --> 2:42:31
Well, I mean, Steve, you and I know

3357
2:42:31 --> 2:42:36
that the informed consent process in 2022

3358
2:42:36 --> 2:42:38
is different from the informed consent process

3359
2:42:38 --> 2:42:42
for every single year from 1947 to 2020.

3360
2:42:42 --> 2:42:45
So I think you and I know the answer to that question.

3361
2:42:45 --> 2:42:47
Let's go back to the scientific basis

3362
2:42:47 --> 2:42:49
of what's in the product.

3363
2:42:50 --> 2:42:54
But Sam, has the Nuremberg Code been violated?

3364
2:42:54 --> 2:42:56
In my opinion, 100%.

3365
2:42:56 --> 2:42:58
Sure. 100%.

3366
2:42:58 --> 2:43:00
It's an investigation.

3367
2:43:00 --> 2:43:03
So the Nuremberg Code can't be violated

3368
2:43:03 --> 2:43:08
unless it's a research study, okay?

3369
2:43:10 --> 2:43:13
So that's where you'll get blowback

3370
2:43:13 --> 2:43:15
on the Nuremberg Code issue.

3371
2:43:15 --> 2:43:18
But this is arguably very easily a study.

3372
2:43:19 --> 2:43:22
The randomized trial does not conclude until 2023,

3373
2:43:22 --> 2:43:24
irrespective of whether they put people,

3374
2:43:24 --> 2:43:26
unblinded them or not.

3375
2:43:26 --> 2:43:29
Those trials do not conclude until 2023.

3376
2:43:29 --> 2:43:31
So until 2023 has elapsed,

3377
2:43:31 --> 2:43:35
those products are still under research trial protocols.

3378
2:43:35 --> 2:43:39
And the pharmacovigilance is, of course, a phase four study.

3379
2:43:39 --> 2:43:42
So there's no, it's very easy to say

3380
2:43:42 --> 2:43:43
it's an investigational product.

3381
2:43:43 --> 2:43:45
I don't say experimental

3382
2:43:45 --> 2:43:47
because it brings other things into it.

3383
2:43:47 --> 2:43:48
So I just say investigational.

3384
2:43:48 --> 2:43:50
And so from that aspect,

3385
2:43:50 --> 2:43:55
the Nuremberg Code has easily been breached.

3386
2:43:55 --> 2:43:56
The other code that is definitely breached

3387
2:43:56 --> 2:43:59
irrespective of whether it's an investigational product

3388
2:43:59 --> 2:44:00
or not an investigational product

3389
2:44:00 --> 2:44:02
is the UN Bioethics Agreement 2005.

3390
2:44:03 --> 2:44:05
Exactly. Absolutely.

3391
2:44:05 --> 2:44:06
100%.

3392
2:44:06 --> 2:44:09
But the point about the Nuremberg Code, Sam,

3393
2:44:09 --> 2:44:10
if you've read about the history of it,

3394
2:44:10 --> 2:44:14
it was all about human medical experimentation

3395
2:44:14 --> 2:44:18
and making sure after the doctor's trial in Nuremberg,

3396
2:44:19 --> 2:44:24
that a human medical experimentation never took place again,

3397
2:44:25 --> 2:44:28
as it did prior to the Second World War

3398
2:44:28 --> 2:44:30
and during the Second World War.

3399
2:44:30 --> 2:44:32
And the whole, so the Nuremberg Code,

3400
2:44:32 --> 2:44:33
we would talk to medical school,

3401
2:44:33 --> 2:44:37
it's the most important document in the history of medicine.

3402
2:44:37 --> 2:44:38
And also-

3403
2:44:38 --> 2:44:40
The problem with this is it's not legally enforceable.

3404
2:44:40 --> 2:44:42
So we went through the- Yes, it is.

3405
2:44:42 --> 2:44:46
New South Wales Supreme Court basically just ignored it.

3406
2:44:46 --> 2:44:49
Well, Anna de Buisere was on the other day

3407
2:44:49 --> 2:44:51
and she said that it's being incorporated into the law.

3408
2:44:51 --> 2:44:52
I can't remember the laws now,

3409
2:44:52 --> 2:44:56
but she's a lawyer and she knows all about this.

3410
2:44:56 --> 2:44:58
So, and I'm a doctor and I would say,

3411
2:44:58 --> 2:45:01
even if it's not incorporated into the law,

3412
2:45:01 --> 2:45:05
doctors have to obey the Nuremberg Code.

3413
2:45:05 --> 2:45:08
And if they haven't, then they're accountable.

3414
2:45:08 --> 2:45:09
They have to be held accountable.

3415
2:45:09 --> 2:45:12
100%, 100%, because it becomes an assault.

3416
2:45:13 --> 2:45:14
If a medical treatment is provided

3417
2:45:14 --> 2:45:16
under false pretenses, it's an assault.

3418
2:45:18 --> 2:45:19
And of course the doctors will say

3419
2:45:19 --> 2:45:21
that they were acting on protocols

3420
2:45:21 --> 2:45:23
and they were following orders

3421
2:45:23 --> 2:45:23
and it was all time-

3422
2:45:23 --> 2:45:25
That's what the German doctor said.

3423
2:45:25 --> 2:45:26
That's what the German doctor said.

3424
2:45:26 --> 2:45:29
That, exactly, exactly.

3425
2:45:29 --> 2:45:32
Yes, so we get to the real heart of it here,

3426
2:45:32 --> 2:45:37
that this is absolutely, I just cannot believe it.

3427
2:45:37 --> 2:45:38
And this has been a stunning-

3428
2:45:38 --> 2:45:41
And here's a little tip here for you.

3429
2:45:41 --> 2:45:45
And it should probably stay in this small group.

3430
2:45:45 --> 2:45:50
There is a doctor in Chile, I think, or Argentina,

3431
2:45:52 --> 2:45:54
one of the South American countries,

3432
2:45:54 --> 2:45:57
who's so proud of his heritage, he changed his name.

3433
2:45:57 --> 2:46:02
His grandfather was a guy called Joseph Mengele.

3434
2:46:02 --> 2:46:06
And he is a researcher, he's a clinician researcher.

3435
2:46:07 --> 2:46:11
And he investigates, his subject of interest

3436
2:46:11 --> 2:46:15
is trypanozoma cruzii, the sleeping sickness organism.

3437
2:46:15 --> 2:46:16
And you can look him up,

3438
2:46:16 --> 2:46:19
you can look him up to trypanozoma cruzii research.

3439
2:46:19 --> 2:46:21
And his name, he changed his name,

3440
2:46:21 --> 2:46:24
I know this from Philippe Raffaelli,

3441
2:46:24 --> 2:46:26
but he changed his name by Dieppold,

3442
2:46:26 --> 2:46:29
because he was called, he was himself called Joseph Mengele.

3443
2:46:29 --> 2:46:32
And he changed his name by Dieppold to Jose Mengele.

3444
2:46:35 --> 2:46:38
So this is how these people work.

3445
2:46:38 --> 2:46:43
And Wolfgang Wodarg, he was talking to Reiner Fulmick

3446
2:46:46 --> 2:46:50
about the, they've recently come out,

3447
2:46:50 --> 2:46:54
there's a guy in Kingston upon Thames, Werdekampo.

3448
2:46:56 --> 2:46:58
What is it, Theresa, can you remember?

3449
2:46:59 --> 2:47:02
Anyway, he's, sorry?

3450
2:47:02 --> 2:47:03
Just repeat the question.

3451
2:47:03 --> 2:47:06
There's a Dutch guy in Kingston upon Thames

3452
2:47:06 --> 2:47:11
did the incredible research on lots and-

3453
2:47:12 --> 2:47:15
Oh yes, Craig Pardecouper or Craig Cooper.

3454
2:47:15 --> 2:47:17
That's the one, yes.

3455
2:47:17 --> 2:47:18
He's in our group.

3456
2:47:19 --> 2:47:20
Right, okay.

3457
2:47:20 --> 2:47:21
Oh, we'll have to get him to speak.

3458
2:47:21 --> 2:47:25
So anyway, he's done this incredible research

3459
2:47:25 --> 2:47:29
and Wolfgang Wodarg and Reiner Fulmick agreed

3460
2:47:29 --> 2:47:32
that the research on the lots,

3461
2:47:32 --> 2:47:34
there's intent, there's cooperation

3462
2:47:34 --> 2:47:36
between the big pharma companies,

3463
2:47:36 --> 2:47:40
between Moderna, J&J and Pfizer, I believe.

3464
2:47:41 --> 2:47:43
I'm not sure about the AstraZeneca.

3465
2:47:43 --> 2:47:46
And they both agreed.

3466
2:47:46 --> 2:47:48
So Wolfgang Wodarg was responsible

3467
2:47:48 --> 2:47:53
for exposing the swine flu pandemic fraud of 2009.

3468
2:47:55 --> 2:47:58
The fraud was conducted by the WHO, by the way.

3469
2:48:00 --> 2:48:04
And he exposed and stopped that fraud.

3470
2:48:05 --> 2:48:08
And he was a politician as well as a medical doctor.

3471
2:48:08 --> 2:48:12
And so, and because he had connections

3472
2:48:12 --> 2:48:13
at the council of Europe,

3473
2:48:16 --> 2:48:19
an investigation was conducted at the council of Europe

3474
2:48:19 --> 2:48:21
and he gave evidence to get with another doctor.

3475
2:48:22 --> 2:48:23
There may have been others,

3476
2:48:23 --> 2:48:27
but I've seen video footage of both of them.

3477
2:48:27 --> 2:48:30
Anyway, the point is that he has history.

3478
2:48:30 --> 2:48:32
He knows what he's talking about.

3479
2:48:32 --> 2:48:35
And he said, you're talking about Mengele,

3480
2:48:35 --> 2:48:38
and he said, it's like having a thousand Mengele's.

3481
2:48:38 --> 2:48:41
And Reiner Fulmick is very well-known lawyer,

3482
2:48:41 --> 2:48:43
both in the US and Germany.

3483
2:48:44 --> 2:48:46
Steven, Dr. Roschek has to leave.

3484
2:48:46 --> 2:48:47
Sure.

3485
2:48:47 --> 2:48:50
Yeah, I have to run for another commitment

3486
2:48:50 --> 2:48:52
and it's coming really close.

3487
2:48:52 --> 2:48:54
So I just want to say bye everyone

3488
2:48:54 --> 2:48:58
because it's a fantastic opportunity

3489
2:48:58 --> 2:49:00
to chat with you, have this conversation.

3490
2:49:00 --> 2:49:04
And I'm looking forward to all the information

3491
2:49:04 --> 2:49:05
that I'll get to study.

3492
2:49:05 --> 2:49:09
So thanks a lot for reducing my free time.

3493
2:49:09 --> 2:49:10
Thank you.

3494
2:49:10 --> 2:49:11
Thank you so much.

3495
2:49:11 --> 2:49:12
And thank you.

3496
2:49:12 --> 2:49:13
It was a pleasure.

3497
2:49:13 --> 2:49:17
And hopefully I'll be able to join you in the future,

3498
2:49:17 --> 2:49:18
but you have to run.

3499
2:49:18 --> 2:49:21
So I'm gonna sign off, okay?

3500
2:49:21 --> 2:49:21
Very good.

3501
2:49:21 --> 2:49:24
So bye everyone and until next time.

3502
2:49:24 --> 2:49:25
Thank you.

3503
2:49:25 --> 2:49:25
Bye.

3504
2:49:25 --> 2:49:27
Thank you very much.

3505
2:49:27 --> 2:49:27
Thank you.

3506
2:49:27 --> 2:49:28
God bless.

3507
2:49:29 --> 2:49:31
And thank you, Sam.

3508
2:49:31 --> 2:49:32
You were great as well.

3509
2:49:35 --> 2:49:36
Thanks to Sam.

3510
2:49:39 --> 2:49:40
Is Sam gone?

3511
2:49:40 --> 2:49:42
No, Sam's still here.

3512
2:49:42 --> 2:49:45
Do you mind throwing a sneak in a quick question?

3513
2:49:45 --> 2:49:46
I'll go on then.

3514
2:49:48 --> 2:49:49
I'm curious.

3515
2:49:49 --> 2:49:52
I don't know if you're aware that the Novavax vaccine

3516
2:49:52 --> 2:49:55
got approved in Israel a few days ago.

3517
2:49:55 --> 2:49:57
And it's been approved in Australia as well.

3518
2:49:57 --> 2:49:59
I was gonna say it's around the corner in Australia.

3519
2:49:59 --> 2:50:01
So it's happened in Australia too.

3520
2:50:01 --> 2:50:06
Do you know, I mean, I know it's not a mRNA vaccine,

3521
2:50:06 --> 2:50:10
but they effectively injecting a spike protein

3522
2:50:10 --> 2:50:12
that's been manufactured by a moth.

3523
2:50:12 --> 2:50:15
But there seems to be a whole bunch of other issues.

3524
2:50:15 --> 2:50:17
Sorry?

3525
2:50:17 --> 2:50:19
It's a recombinant protein vaccine.

3526
2:50:19 --> 2:50:24
And just on that approval thing, Sam,

3527
2:50:24 --> 2:50:25
it's been approved by TGA,

3528
2:50:26 --> 2:50:27
yet to be approved by a target,

3529
2:50:27 --> 2:50:29
or has that already happened?

3530
2:50:30 --> 2:50:31
Yeah, I don't know the answer to that,

3531
2:50:31 --> 2:50:32
but they're working hand in hand.

3532
2:50:32 --> 2:50:34
Just forget the idea that they're going to do anything

3533
2:50:34 --> 2:50:35
different from each other,

3534
2:50:35 --> 2:50:38
or different from what Pfizer tell them,

3535
2:50:38 --> 2:50:42
or their associated entities.

3536
2:50:42 --> 2:50:46
The head of vaccine surveillance in the TGA

3537
2:50:46 --> 2:50:51
was recruited on January the 31st, 2021,

3538
2:50:51 --> 2:50:54
which was two days before the Pfizer vaccine was approved.

3539
2:50:54 --> 2:50:56
His name is Michael Nissen.

3540
2:50:56 --> 2:51:00
He came from GSK, which merged in Pfizer in 2019.

3541
2:51:00 --> 2:51:02
There's a freedom of information request

3542
2:51:02 --> 2:51:05
showing his recruitment,

3543
2:51:05 --> 2:51:07
which was done in January of last year.

3544
2:51:07 --> 2:51:10
So the head of vaccine surveillance for the TGA

3545
2:51:10 --> 2:51:11
came from,

3546
2:51:14 --> 2:51:15
Sorry, I'll jump in with your question.

3547
2:51:15 --> 2:51:18
And Sam, I do have another question about that as well,

3548
2:51:18 --> 2:51:19
but I don't want to jump in on whoever was asking

3549
2:51:19 --> 2:51:21
the question before.

3550
2:51:21 --> 2:51:22
So I'll wait.

3551
2:51:23 --> 2:51:25
I mean, I just wanted to ask if we know a lot about it

3552
2:51:25 --> 2:51:28
and what we think about its safety so far.

3553
2:51:28 --> 2:51:29
I mean, I know it's early days.

3554
2:51:29 --> 2:51:32
There is an OspA document for what it's worth.

3555
2:51:32 --> 2:51:33
I've not read it yet.

3556
2:51:33 --> 2:51:35
It's on my list of things to do this week.

3557
2:51:37 --> 2:51:39
It's a protein vaccine.

3558
2:51:39 --> 2:51:41
I don't mind protein vaccines.

3559
2:51:41 --> 2:51:42
I think they're fine.

3560
2:51:42 --> 2:51:43
Mostly safe.

3561
2:51:43 --> 2:51:44
You can get the Yambari,

3562
2:51:44 --> 2:51:47
but in comparison to what we're seeing now,

3563
2:51:47 --> 2:51:49
much, you know, like a hundred times safer

3564
2:51:50 --> 2:51:52
than what we're seeing out on the street

3565
2:51:52 --> 2:51:54
from what this one's done.

3566
2:51:56 --> 2:51:59
I mean, they've got 700 deaths registered at the TGA,

3567
2:51:59 --> 2:52:03
which they deny a link to the vaccines.

3568
2:52:04 --> 2:52:07
But that's what the submissions have gone.

3569
2:52:07 --> 2:52:08
I've gone through the process myself

3570
2:52:08 --> 2:52:09
of submitting an adverse event.

3571
2:52:09 --> 2:52:12
So it's not something that a doctor would do willy nilly

3572
2:52:12 --> 2:52:15
or a general person can do willy nilly.

3573
2:52:15 --> 2:52:19
It's like the VAERS system in the US.

3574
2:52:19 --> 2:52:22
It's not something you just put bullshit into.

3575
2:52:22 --> 2:52:24
So those deaths should have been investigated.

3576
2:52:24 --> 2:52:25
And of course they haven't.

3577
2:52:25 --> 2:52:28
So we've never seen a safety signal like this

3578
2:52:28 --> 2:52:29
from any vaccine in the past.

3579
2:52:29 --> 2:52:31
And I like vaccines.

3580
2:52:31 --> 2:52:34
Nothing wrong with vaccines if they're done correctly.

3581
2:52:34 --> 2:52:37
I just don't like coercion.

3582
2:52:37 --> 2:52:39
So in terms of this,

3583
2:52:39 --> 2:52:43
you'd expect it to be behaving more like the other vaccines

3584
2:52:43 --> 2:52:45
that we've had, the ones that don't kill people.

3585
2:52:46 --> 2:52:51
And the downside, the worry of it is two things.

3586
2:52:51 --> 2:52:55
One is that there are these lipid nanoparticles again.

3587
2:52:55 --> 2:52:58
So those themselves have got toxicity,

3588
2:52:58 --> 2:53:00
well-documented toxicity studies.

3589
2:53:00 --> 2:53:04
And of course, contain things like PEG.

3590
2:53:04 --> 2:53:05
Different nanoparticles are different,

3591
2:53:05 --> 2:53:08
but you've got polyethylene glycol running around your body.

3592
2:53:08 --> 2:53:10
It's not the best thing in the world.

3593
2:53:10 --> 2:53:14
And the second thing is that the spike protein itself,

3594
2:53:14 --> 2:53:17
2B confirmation of spike protein

3595
2:53:17 --> 2:53:19
that Mika was talking about,

3596
2:53:19 --> 2:53:22
is not the spike protein on the virus.

3597
2:53:22 --> 2:53:23
It's a 2B confirmation.

3598
2:53:23 --> 2:53:27
It's a two-protein, abundant, augmented spike protein.

3599
2:53:27 --> 2:53:29
It's not the same.

3600
2:53:29 --> 2:53:32
And whoever tells you it's the same, it's not the same.

3601
2:53:32 --> 2:53:33
It's not.

3602
2:53:33 --> 2:53:33
It's not.

3603
2:53:33 --> 2:53:38
It's a fusion, pre-fusion conformal protein.

3604
2:53:41 --> 2:53:42
It's a different structure.

3605
2:53:42 --> 2:53:47
And there is not one, so it was invented in 2017,

3606
2:53:47 --> 2:53:49
and there are patents on it,

3607
2:53:49 --> 2:53:53
and there is not one clinical study that shows

3608
2:53:53 --> 2:53:58
that the normal protein injected into the protein

3609
2:54:01 --> 2:54:02
is safe and effective.

3610
2:54:02 --> 2:54:03
Not one.

3611
2:54:03 --> 2:54:04
There isn't one single clinical study

3612
2:54:04 --> 2:54:08
that shows that that protein is safe.

3613
2:54:08 --> 2:54:10
Now it probably is,

3614
2:54:11 --> 2:54:13
but there isn't, no clinical study has been,

3615
2:54:13 --> 2:54:16
just like the three-prime UTR of the Pfizer vaccine,

3616
2:54:16 --> 2:54:18
there was no clinical study performed

3617
2:54:18 --> 2:54:21
to show that backbone was safe.

3618
2:54:26 --> 2:54:27
So they've invented all these different things

3619
2:54:27 --> 2:54:29
and said, oh yeah, this'll be great.

3620
2:54:29 --> 2:54:30
This'll be great.

3621
2:54:30 --> 2:54:32
We'll put all these together and just go for it.

3622
2:54:32 --> 2:54:35
And out of interest, how many people here?

3623
2:54:35 --> 2:54:35
12.

3624
2:54:35 --> 2:54:38
Just, how many of you know

3625
2:54:38 --> 2:54:40
what diethylstilbestrol is?

3626
2:54:41 --> 2:54:42
What, what?

3627
2:54:43 --> 2:54:44
Diethylstilbestrol.

3628
2:54:47 --> 2:54:49
Sorry, I'm absolutely not.

3629
2:54:52 --> 2:54:54
What, why, why is that?

3630
2:54:55 --> 2:54:56
Diethyl, you've got to look it up.

3631
2:54:56 --> 2:54:59
So diethylstilbestrol is one of the biggest

3632
2:54:59 --> 2:55:03
medical scandals of history on akindethalidomide,

3633
2:55:03 --> 2:55:05
but the significance of it is so important

3634
2:55:05 --> 2:55:09
because what happened was in the 1930s and 40s,

3635
2:55:09 --> 2:55:12
women who were going to adopt, they might miscarry,

3636
2:55:12 --> 2:55:14
were taking this drug to try and stop the miscarrying.

3637
2:55:15 --> 2:55:19
And it didn't affect them at all.

3638
2:55:19 --> 2:55:22
And it didn't affect the babies who were born fine.

3639
2:55:22 --> 2:55:26
But what happened was 10 to 30 years later,

3640
2:55:26 --> 2:55:30
the daughters of the women that took diethylstilbestrol

3641
2:55:30 --> 2:55:34
developed vaginal adenocarcinomas that were incurable.

3642
2:55:35 --> 2:55:37
Wow.

3643
2:55:37 --> 2:55:39
Now, I'm in a group here,

3644
2:55:39 --> 2:55:43
I'm just talking to a group here of 12 highly educated people

3645
2:55:43 --> 2:55:46
half of which are doctors, and you've never heard of it.

3646
2:55:46 --> 2:55:48
And that's what I'm going to gobsmacked.

3647
2:55:48 --> 2:55:50
So if you guys haven't heard of it,

3648
2:55:50 --> 2:55:51
what do you think the possibility is

3649
2:55:51 --> 2:55:53
that the people making these rules

3650
2:55:53 --> 2:55:57
and public health policies have heard of it

3651
2:55:57 --> 2:56:00
when they're coercing and forcing pregnant women

3652
2:56:00 --> 2:56:04
who are working to, thanks Sam,

3653
2:56:04 --> 2:56:06
I've heard of it.

3654
2:56:06 --> 2:56:10
To get a therapy for which every single component

3655
2:56:10 --> 2:56:13
of that therapy that have been put together

3656
2:56:13 --> 2:56:16
has never ever been investigated

3657
2:56:16 --> 2:56:18
in long-term clinical studies, including pregnancy studies.

3658
2:56:18 --> 2:56:21
And all you've got is 22 mice

3659
2:56:21 --> 2:56:26
of which every single mouse that was produced

3660
2:56:26 --> 2:56:29
was terminated, was euthanated.

3661
2:56:29 --> 2:56:30
That's it.

3662
2:56:30 --> 2:56:33
That's your whole pregnancy study for this drug,

3663
2:56:33 --> 2:56:35
which has multiple components.

3664
2:56:35 --> 2:56:37
And if you don't know about diethylsulfur bistrol,

3665
2:56:37 --> 2:56:39
you better get looking at it.

3666
2:56:39 --> 2:56:40
I have heard the name,

3667
2:56:40 --> 2:56:43
but I can't remember what I knew about it.

3668
2:56:43 --> 2:56:45
So we've got still to this day,

3669
2:56:45 --> 2:56:47
looking at women doing colposcopies on women

3670
2:56:47 --> 2:56:50
who have had diethylsulfur bistrol exposure

3671
2:56:50 --> 2:56:53
in utero 60 years ago.

3672
2:56:57 --> 2:57:01
Did all the women get adenocarcinoma of the vagina?

3673
2:57:01 --> 2:57:02
I don't know the answer to that.

3674
2:57:02 --> 2:57:04
The daughters, I mean.

3675
2:57:04 --> 2:57:05
The daughters, yeah, I don't know the answer to that,

3676
2:57:05 --> 2:57:08
but they actually got different carcinomas as well,

3677
2:57:08 --> 2:57:10
depending on what age they were.

3678
2:57:10 --> 2:57:15
So the vaginal ones appeared as children.

3679
2:57:17 --> 2:57:19
So children were getting vaginal adenocarcinomas,

3680
2:57:19 --> 2:57:21
then you get cervical cancers about age 20s,

3681
2:57:21 --> 2:57:24
and then at 30s you get a uterine cancer.

3682
2:57:24 --> 2:57:25
And it was a specific type of cancer.

3683
2:57:25 --> 2:57:27
It was a clear cell adenocarcinoma.

3684
2:57:28 --> 2:57:30
By the way, Sam, there are 34 people

3685
2:57:30 --> 2:57:32
on the call at the moment.

3686
2:57:32 --> 2:57:33
No.

3687
2:57:33 --> 2:57:33
So.

3688
2:57:33 --> 2:57:35
But it's interesting, isn't it?

3689
2:57:35 --> 2:57:38
Because like most people know about thalidomide,

3690
2:57:38 --> 2:57:40
young people don't know about thalidomide,

3691
2:57:40 --> 2:57:42
but thalidomide was a bit more obvious

3692
2:57:42 --> 2:57:45
because the baby would be born deformed.

3693
2:57:45 --> 2:57:49
But a lot of people don't know also that in thalidomide,

3694
2:57:49 --> 2:57:52
the only minority of women that took thalidomide

3695
2:57:52 --> 2:57:54
had an affected child, like 1%.

3696
2:57:54 --> 2:57:56
It was a small minority,

3697
2:57:56 --> 2:57:58
so you didn't see the safety signal all this

3698
2:57:58 --> 2:58:00
because, oh, it's fine, yeah, yeah, take it, take it,

3699
2:58:00 --> 2:58:01
it's great.

3700
2:58:01 --> 2:58:04
And it only affected your offspring

3701
2:58:04 --> 2:58:06
if you took it between six and eight weeks.

3702
2:58:08 --> 2:58:09
Well.

3703
2:58:09 --> 2:58:11
Do you think they were using different batteries

3704
2:58:11 --> 2:58:12
or lots then?

3705
2:58:14 --> 2:58:15
For which?

3706
2:58:15 --> 2:58:15
For the thalidomide?

3707
2:58:15 --> 2:58:17
For the thalidomide, yeah.

3708
2:58:17 --> 2:58:18
No, no, no.

3709
2:58:18 --> 2:58:20
It was just if you took it between six and eight weeks,

3710
2:58:20 --> 2:58:22
and don't forget, everybody responds differently.

3711
2:58:22 --> 2:58:25
So it was a very, very, very, very, very, very, very,

3712
2:58:26 --> 2:58:28
so you can give something to a hundred people,

3713
2:58:28 --> 2:58:31
and only one of that hundred actually has the effect.

3714
2:58:31 --> 2:58:32
Sure.

3715
2:58:32 --> 2:58:34
This is how, and that's why the,

3716
2:58:34 --> 2:58:37
that's why the pharmacovigilance databases

3717
2:58:37 --> 2:58:38
were put in place.

3718
2:58:38 --> 2:58:40
In fact, the Invares was put in place

3719
2:58:40 --> 2:58:42
because Reagan said,

3720
2:58:42 --> 2:58:44
okay, we will give you carte blanche

3721
2:58:44 --> 2:58:47
to do your vaccine therapy because we need them,

3722
2:58:47 --> 2:58:49
and that was fine, okay,

3723
2:58:49 --> 2:58:50
we'll give you carte blanche, you'll have immunity,

3724
2:58:50 --> 2:58:53
but the counter is you have this database running,

3725
2:58:53 --> 2:58:55
and if you see a safety signal, you stop.

3726
2:58:57 --> 2:58:59
Yeah, well, Sam, we've got a situation now

3727
2:58:59 --> 2:59:04
where VERS, which is the US one,

3728
2:59:04 --> 2:59:06
the MHRA in UK,

3729
2:59:06 --> 2:59:10
and EMA in Europe,

3730
2:59:11 --> 2:59:15
the total number of deaths reported post-injection

3731
2:59:15 --> 2:59:17
is 62,000, I think,

3732
2:59:18 --> 2:59:23
and it's estimated that only one to 10%

3733
2:59:24 --> 2:59:29
of the deaths have been reported as deaths due to injection.

3734
2:59:29 --> 2:59:30
You know, I know all that,

3735
2:59:30 --> 2:59:33
but the problem is you've got judiciary

3736
2:59:33 --> 2:59:37
and doctors in public health in power

3737
2:59:37 --> 2:59:39
who are telling you you're crazy,

3738
2:59:39 --> 2:59:42
and it doesn't matter that the 62,000 deaths.

3739
2:59:43 --> 2:59:46
Well, it will matter when we've won this war

3740
2:59:46 --> 2:59:48
because it's a war as far as I can see.

3741
2:59:49 --> 2:59:52
Well, it is a war, but you have to listen to this thing.

3742
2:59:52 --> 2:59:54
You've got a problem, right?

3743
2:59:54 --> 2:59:55
This is your problem.

3744
2:59:56 --> 3:00:00
Even if you get a Nuremberg 2 going, which I hope you do,

3745
3:00:00 --> 3:00:03
and I hope there are people who get, you know,

3746
3:00:03 --> 3:00:08
criminally charged for the coercion.

3747
3:00:08 --> 3:00:10
Honestly, let me put this out there.

3748
3:00:10 --> 3:00:12
If you want to take a vaccine, I have no problem.

3749
3:00:12 --> 3:00:14
I've told people to go and take a vaccine

3750
3:00:14 --> 3:00:16
because they're shit scared of life.

3751
3:00:16 --> 3:00:17
Go and do it.

3752
3:00:17 --> 3:00:18
I don't have a problem.

3753
3:00:18 --> 3:00:21
My red line is where you coerce somebody

3754
3:00:21 --> 3:00:24
to have a medical treatment that they do not want, okay?

3755
3:00:24 --> 3:00:26
If you coerce somebody to have a medical treatment

3756
3:00:26 --> 3:00:28
they do not want, you accept liability

3757
3:00:28 --> 3:00:30
for every single outcome of that treatment.

3758
3:00:30 --> 3:00:31
That's it.

3759
3:00:31 --> 3:00:32
Yeah, I agree with you.

3760
3:00:32 --> 3:00:33
Okay?

3761
3:00:33 --> 3:00:36
So if you do that, if somebody has died after you have,

3762
3:00:36 --> 3:00:39
one person, if you as a public health official said,

3763
3:00:39 --> 3:00:41
you have got to go and get this vaccine

3764
3:00:41 --> 3:00:43
because you will not be allowed to work

3765
3:00:43 --> 3:00:44
if you don't get it, right?

3766
3:00:44 --> 3:00:47
Then that person dies,

3767
3:00:47 --> 3:00:49
you have committed manslaughter, minimum.

3768
3:00:52 --> 3:00:53
Minimum, yes.

3769
3:00:53 --> 3:00:54
You only need one person, but the problem is

3770
3:00:54 --> 3:00:58
who's going to run the trial?

3771
3:00:58 --> 3:00:59
Because what we found in the New South Wales

3772
3:00:59 --> 3:01:02
Supreme Court is all the judiciary is corrupted.

3773
3:01:02 --> 3:01:04
The guy who ran, the judge who ran

3774
3:01:04 --> 3:01:06
the first New South Wales Supreme Court case

3775
3:01:06 --> 3:01:08
that was Cassand versus Hazard,

3776
3:01:08 --> 3:01:12
that judge, his wife is an activist,

3777
3:01:12 --> 3:01:13
is a far left activist.

3778
3:01:13 --> 3:01:17
She changed her Twitter account a week before the trial.

3779
3:01:17 --> 3:01:19
The judge was imposed a week before the trial

3780
3:01:19 --> 3:01:22
and he's going for a federal court seat.

3781
3:01:22 --> 3:01:24
So there's no way he's going to rule against the government.

3782
3:01:24 --> 3:01:25
He dismissed the case.

3783
3:01:25 --> 3:01:27
But Sam, that's why we've gone to the police

3784
3:01:27 --> 3:01:28
because we didn't trust the courts.

3785
3:01:28 --> 3:01:29
No, I get it.

3786
3:01:29 --> 3:01:32
But the police will then go to the courts.

3787
3:01:32 --> 3:01:32
No.

3788
3:01:34 --> 3:01:36
We've also asked them to stop the vaccinations

3789
3:01:36 --> 3:01:38
while they're conducting a criminal investigation,

3790
3:01:38 --> 3:01:41
which at the moment will take them several years

3791
3:01:41 --> 3:01:42
to complete.

3792
3:01:43 --> 3:01:44
I don't think you should stop the vaccinations.

3793
3:01:44 --> 3:01:48
And that may be, you know,

3794
3:01:48 --> 3:01:50
what's the word, confrontational to you.

3795
3:01:50 --> 3:01:52
I don't think you should stop them.

3796
3:01:52 --> 3:01:53
What I think you should do,

3797
3:01:53 --> 3:01:54
what you would think should happen

3798
3:01:54 --> 3:01:56
is that not one person should be coerced

3799
3:01:56 --> 3:01:58
to take a vaccine that they don't want.

3800
3:01:58 --> 3:01:59
That's it.

3801
3:01:59 --> 3:02:01
It's just a basic principle.

3802
3:02:01 --> 3:02:05
But also, Sam, surely you have to obtain informed consent

3803
3:02:05 --> 3:02:06
as a doctor.

3804
3:02:06 --> 3:02:07
Yes.

3805
3:02:07 --> 3:02:08
Correct.

3806
3:02:08 --> 3:02:10
Nobody's being allowed the opportunity

3807
3:02:10 --> 3:02:14
to give informed, sorry, informed consent.

3808
3:02:14 --> 3:02:17
Nobody's, so how can we say carry on?

3809
3:02:17 --> 3:02:18
No, no, no, no.

3810
3:02:18 --> 3:02:19
No, no, no.

3811
3:02:19 --> 3:02:20
You don't get me.

3812
3:02:20 --> 3:02:21
You don't get me.

3813
3:02:21 --> 3:02:24
I believe in the right to try.

3814
3:02:24 --> 3:02:25
I believe in the right to try.

3815
3:02:25 --> 3:02:27
I believe that you should be able to go

3816
3:02:27 --> 3:02:30
and get an experimental drug if you want it.

3817
3:02:30 --> 3:02:32
Now, I'm not gonna change

3818
3:02:32 --> 3:02:34
that fundamental principle of ethics

3819
3:02:34 --> 3:02:36
because I don't believe you should withdraw treatment

3820
3:02:36 --> 3:02:39
from people who want an experimental drug

3821
3:02:39 --> 3:02:40
in certain circumstances.

3822
3:02:40 --> 3:02:43
I believe in an individual's right to choose.

3823
3:02:43 --> 3:02:43
Now, now-

3824
3:02:43 --> 3:02:44
Hang on, Sam.

3825
3:02:44 --> 3:02:46
Nobody knows it's an experimental drug

3826
3:02:46 --> 3:02:48
because the governments of the world,

3827
3:02:48 --> 3:02:51
the regulatory bodies are all saying

3828
3:02:51 --> 3:02:54
that this vaccine is safe and effective

3829
3:02:54 --> 3:02:56
and it is not experimental.

3830
3:02:56 --> 3:02:58
You can go and look at all the fact checkers.

3831
3:02:58 --> 3:03:01
So how is anybody giving informed consent, Sam?

3832
3:03:01 --> 3:03:02
Not, I agree with you.

3833
3:03:03 --> 3:03:06
What I'm saying, you didn't let me finish.

3834
3:03:06 --> 3:03:09
What needed to happen was that the doctors

3835
3:03:09 --> 3:03:11
who should have been free to speak

3836
3:03:11 --> 3:03:14
should have been free to speak and not suppressed.

3837
3:03:14 --> 3:03:17
That would have solved the problem

3838
3:03:17 --> 3:03:19
because at the time it was rolled out,

3839
3:03:19 --> 3:03:22
you did not know and I did not know

3840
3:03:22 --> 3:03:25
that that vaccine was not going to be beneficial.

3841
3:03:25 --> 3:03:26
We did not know.

3842
3:03:28 --> 3:03:30
Sorry, we didn't know what?

3843
3:03:30 --> 3:03:32
I knew that it was highly unlikely

3844
3:03:32 --> 3:03:33
to be beneficial to anyone.

3845
3:03:33 --> 3:03:37
Ah, now you chose your words very carefully there, Stephen.

3846
3:03:37 --> 3:03:38
So I'm in a situation where somebody-

3847
3:03:39 --> 3:03:42
Sam, I would have said, okay, look,

3848
3:03:43 --> 3:03:45
I know and I've known for a long time

3849
3:03:45 --> 3:03:49
that nobody knows what's in these vaccines.

3850
3:03:49 --> 3:03:54
So given that leads on to

3851
3:03:54 --> 3:03:57
it's impossible to obtain informed consent.

3852
3:03:59 --> 3:04:01
Because the doctors don't even know.

3853
3:04:01 --> 3:04:05
They don't even know it's a trial half the doctors.

3854
3:04:05 --> 3:04:05
Correct.

3855
3:04:05 --> 3:04:06
Yeah.

3856
3:04:06 --> 3:04:09
So they're in-

3857
3:04:09 --> 3:04:11
What I'm saying to you is that,

3858
3:04:11 --> 3:04:13
so let's say you came to me, okay,

3859
3:04:13 --> 3:04:15
and you're in an age group that's at risk

3860
3:04:15 --> 3:04:17
and we've got a drug company saying,

3861
3:04:17 --> 3:04:20
we've got a drug here that we are saying

3862
3:04:20 --> 3:04:21
is going to protect you.

3863
3:04:21 --> 3:04:23
So at the beginning of the vaccine rollout,

3864
3:04:23 --> 3:04:27
that older person at risk came to me, okay,

3865
3:04:27 --> 3:04:29
and said to me, and if I was free to talk,

3866
3:04:29 --> 3:04:32
I would say, well, you've got an experimental vaccine choice.

3867
3:04:32 --> 3:04:35
You've got hydroxychloroquine ivermectin choice

3868
3:04:36 --> 3:04:38
if you get sick, this is what I believe in,

3869
3:04:38 --> 3:04:39
or you can do nothing.

3870
3:04:39 --> 3:04:42
We don't know what the correct answer is.

3871
3:04:42 --> 3:04:47
And that was the case in January, 2021.

3872
3:04:47 --> 3:04:50
As it got to June, 2021,

3873
3:04:50 --> 3:04:52
it was absolutely clear that it wasn't the case

3874
3:04:52 --> 3:04:53
and it wasn't doing anything.

3875
3:04:53 --> 3:04:57
And now we're in February, 2022,

3876
3:04:57 --> 3:04:59
if I was free to speak and somebody in that risk group

3877
3:04:59 --> 3:05:01
said to me, oh, should I get the vaccine?

3878
3:05:01 --> 3:05:04
I'll say, well, A, we don't know what's in it,

3879
3:05:04 --> 3:05:07
we never did, but B, we now have safety signals

3880
3:05:07 --> 3:05:09
that are very concerning and C,

3881
3:05:09 --> 3:05:11
we also know from the UK HSA data

3882
3:05:11 --> 3:05:13
that your risk of getting infection is higher.

3883
3:05:14 --> 3:05:16
That's all I'd need to say,

3884
3:05:16 --> 3:05:18
but I'm not allowed to say that.

3885
3:05:20 --> 3:05:22
Well, yes, but my argument is that

3886
3:05:24 --> 3:05:29
unfortunately, doctors have a huge duty to any society

3887
3:05:29 --> 3:05:34
and they have a duty to say to the patients

3888
3:05:36 --> 3:05:41
that actually, I can't give you the information

3889
3:05:41 --> 3:05:44
which allows you to give me your consent.

3890
3:05:44 --> 3:05:47
You're correct, correct.

3891
3:05:47 --> 3:05:49
So after that, after Edith-

3892
3:05:49 --> 3:05:51
But the point is, Sam, that I was gonna say,

3893
3:05:51 --> 3:05:52
sorry, I lost my problem.

3894
3:05:52 --> 3:05:56
So I was going to say that doctors

3895
3:05:56 --> 3:06:00
should not have allowed themselves to be silenced.

3896
3:06:00 --> 3:06:04
Correct, that's the whole crux of this issue.

3897
3:06:04 --> 3:06:08
So doctors are the most culpable in this crisis,

3898
3:06:08 --> 3:06:11
unfortunately, followed by the media.

3899
3:06:11 --> 3:06:13
No, no, I disagree.

3900
3:06:13 --> 3:06:15
Oh, so Sam, would you like to-

3901
3:06:15 --> 3:06:19
I'll be politely in that we can only act

3902
3:06:19 --> 3:06:21
within the restrictions that are placed upon us.

3903
3:06:21 --> 3:06:24
So I could go out tomorrow and say,

3904
3:06:24 --> 3:06:25
I don't believe in this, I don't believe in this.

3905
3:06:25 --> 3:06:28
What would happen is I'll be Wakefielded.

3906
3:06:28 --> 3:06:29
I would be Wakefielded.

3907
3:06:29 --> 3:06:33
So you tell me, is Andrew Wakefield

3908
3:06:33 --> 3:06:35
more influential now than he was before?

3909
3:06:37 --> 3:06:42
No, because they take his registration and nullify him.

3910
3:06:43 --> 3:06:45
So even good-

3911
3:06:45 --> 3:06:48
And there are hundreds of us, even good-hearted doctors

3912
3:06:48 --> 3:06:50
cannot just go out and say, we've got to stop this.

3913
3:06:50 --> 3:06:52
We've got to do what we're doing now.

3914
3:06:52 --> 3:06:53
Like we go in the background and we say,

3915
3:06:53 --> 3:06:55
oh, this is wrong, this is wrong.

3916
3:06:55 --> 3:06:57
It's not ethical, blah, blah, blah.

3917
3:06:57 --> 3:06:59
We can't just go out and say, no, no, you can't do that.

3918
3:06:59 --> 3:07:00
We'll go on TV.

3919
3:07:00 --> 3:07:02
We'll just take you out.

3920
3:07:02 --> 3:07:06
But the problem is your regulators.

3921
3:07:06 --> 3:07:08
Your regulators have been captured.

3922
3:07:08 --> 3:07:09
That is your problem.

3923
3:07:10 --> 3:07:12
Sure, I agree.

3924
3:07:12 --> 3:07:15
But unfortunately at the doctor's trial,

3925
3:07:15 --> 3:07:20
the doctors tried to argue that they were following orders

3926
3:07:20 --> 3:07:21
and there was times of emergency.

3927
3:07:21 --> 3:07:25
And doctors no doubt now would argue exactly the same thing,

3928
3:07:25 --> 3:07:28
but it didn't work at the doctor's trial.

3929
3:07:28 --> 3:07:30
No, I agree.

3930
3:07:30 --> 3:07:31
So from my perspective,

3931
3:07:31 --> 3:07:33
I've signed the Great Barrington Declaration.

3932
3:07:33 --> 3:07:36
I've got my signature on the doctors for COVID ethics thing.

3933
3:07:36 --> 3:07:38
So when the trial comes, I'm going to say, look,

3934
3:07:38 --> 3:07:40
I wasn't one of these people.

3935
3:07:40 --> 3:07:42
I tried to do my best.

3936
3:07:42 --> 3:07:44
I have signed these declarations.

3937
3:07:44 --> 3:07:47
So one way of going around this is to say,

3938
3:07:47 --> 3:07:49
if you can get the coverage is to say,

3939
3:07:49 --> 3:07:52
okay, let's go to every doctor on Twitter

3940
3:07:52 --> 3:07:56
that is pushing this on five-year-olds or pregnant women

3941
3:07:56 --> 3:07:59
and say, do you declare this now?

3942
3:08:01 --> 3:08:03
You could get a website going,

3943
3:08:03 --> 3:08:06
a declaration website of every doctor

3944
3:08:06 --> 3:08:07
on the opposite side from me

3945
3:08:07 --> 3:08:09
and the Great Barrington Declaration people,

3946
3:08:09 --> 3:08:10
the opposite side,

3947
3:08:10 --> 3:08:15
and get them to sign up that they 100% advocate

3948
3:08:16 --> 3:08:18
that this vaccine is safe and effective

3949
3:08:18 --> 3:08:21
at reducing disease from COVID-19

3950
3:08:21 --> 3:08:23
and is safe in pregnancy and is safe in children

3951
3:08:23 --> 3:08:25
and will not have long-term effects.

3952
3:08:25 --> 3:08:28
And you make that website and they have to sign it.

3953
3:08:28 --> 3:08:30
And you go to them on Twitter and say,

3954
3:08:30 --> 3:08:32
can you sign this website, please?

3955
3:08:32 --> 3:08:33
And nobody will sign it.

3956
3:08:33 --> 3:08:35
And then you've got the evidence there

3957
3:08:35 --> 3:08:37
that they were pushing some things

3958
3:08:37 --> 3:08:39
that they did not believe in.

3959
3:08:40 --> 3:08:41
That's interesting.

3960
3:08:41 --> 3:08:45
I've got evidence that I've signed two declarations.

3961
3:08:45 --> 3:08:47
I've signed a Lancetgate letter.

3962
3:08:47 --> 3:08:51
I've got various paper trails that said,

3963
3:08:51 --> 3:08:54
I did not push this on people.

3964
3:08:54 --> 3:08:55
If you want to get it, you get it.

3965
3:08:55 --> 3:08:57
If you don't want to get it, you don't get it.

3966
3:08:57 --> 3:09:00
Well, Sam, would you like to retract your statement

3967
3:09:00 --> 3:09:01
that you said earlier

3968
3:09:01 --> 3:09:04
that you think the vaccination should continue,

3969
3:09:04 --> 3:09:05
given that we've just demonstrated

3970
3:09:05 --> 3:09:08
that nobody's given an informed consent since the start?

3971
3:09:09 --> 3:09:13
Yes, you've complicated it a little bit in that.

3972
3:09:14 --> 3:09:17
All right, so the question is,

3973
3:09:17 --> 3:09:20
should the vaccination continue now?

3974
3:09:20 --> 3:09:22
That's slightly different from what happened last year.

3975
3:09:22 --> 3:09:24
Last year, I absolutely believed

3976
3:09:24 --> 3:09:27
that the vaccine should have been offered to people.

3977
3:09:27 --> 3:09:29
I don't have a problem with it.

3978
3:09:29 --> 3:09:32
My problem is that it should have been offered on the basis

3979
3:09:32 --> 3:09:33
that it was an investigation of therapy

3980
3:09:33 --> 3:09:36
that we don't know the long-term consequences of

3981
3:09:36 --> 3:09:37
and may not be effective.

3982
3:09:37 --> 3:09:39
That would be the right thing to do.

3983
3:09:40 --> 3:09:42
Well, it's interesting that-

3984
3:09:42 --> 3:09:44
But also because we didn't know the contents.

3985
3:09:44 --> 3:09:48
Eight weeks after they first vaccinated

3986
3:09:48 --> 3:09:50
women of childbearing age, okay?

3987
3:09:50 --> 3:09:52
Eight weeks after they started doing it,

3988
3:09:52 --> 3:09:54
because everybody during the trials was told

3989
3:09:54 --> 3:09:56
to use two methods of contraception.

3990
3:09:56 --> 3:09:59
So we know that the first time they vaccinated women

3991
3:09:59 --> 3:10:04
of childbearing age was about April going into May

3992
3:10:04 --> 3:10:06
in the UK, okay?

3993
3:10:06 --> 3:10:07
Eight weeks after that,

3994
3:10:07 --> 3:10:12
the chief midwife for the NHS England

3995
3:10:12 --> 3:10:15
went public and said that it's safe and effective

3996
3:10:15 --> 3:10:17
all pregnant women should be vaccinated.

3997
3:10:17 --> 3:10:21
Two months after that, the health minister for Wales,

3998
3:10:22 --> 3:10:23
what's her name?

3999
3:10:25 --> 3:10:26
Elinor Morgan.

4000
3:10:26 --> 3:10:29
She went public and said that this vaccine

4001
3:10:29 --> 3:10:32
is safe and effective and pregnant women

4002
3:10:32 --> 3:10:33
should all go and get the job, okay?

4003
3:10:33 --> 3:10:36
At that point, they'd only been vaccinating pregnant,

4004
3:10:36 --> 3:10:41
well, women of childbearing age for two months,

4005
3:10:42 --> 3:10:44
sorry, four months by that point.

4006
3:10:44 --> 3:10:47
So doesn't it take nine months to make a baby?

4007
3:10:47 --> 3:10:49
Shouldn't the whole vaccination program-

4008
3:10:49 --> 3:10:52
Theresa, you are preaching to the converted.

4009
3:10:52 --> 3:10:53
I'm gonna tell you something now.

4010
3:10:53 --> 3:10:57
I wrote to the Royal College in April last year

4011
3:10:57 --> 3:11:00
and outlined an eight point letter

4012
3:11:00 --> 3:11:02
as to why their information on their website

4013
3:11:02 --> 3:11:05
was inaccurate and could mean that the college

4014
3:11:05 --> 3:11:07
could be held liable in the future.

4015
3:11:07 --> 3:11:09
Nobody else has done that.

4016
3:11:10 --> 3:11:12
Now they ignored me and they wrote back to me,

4017
3:11:12 --> 3:11:14
but it doesn't matter because I've got that letter

4018
3:11:14 --> 3:11:18
and that letter has been sent to the lawyers in the UK

4019
3:11:18 --> 3:11:22
who are now following this pathway of criminal action, okay?

4020
3:11:22 --> 3:11:25
But what I couldn't do is I couldn't go on the internet

4021
3:11:25 --> 3:11:26
and say, you shouldn't do this.

4022
3:11:27 --> 3:11:30
Now that doesn't mean that I shouldn't,

4023
3:11:30 --> 3:11:33
that doesn't mean that that vaccine

4024
3:11:33 --> 3:11:34
shouldn't have been offered to people.

4025
3:11:34 --> 3:11:34
And I'll tell you why.

4026
3:11:34 --> 3:11:36
This is what happens to an individual doctor.

4027
3:11:36 --> 3:11:39
So you come along and you're pregnant, okay?

4028
3:11:39 --> 3:11:41
And you say, should I take this COVID vaccine?

4029
3:11:41 --> 3:11:44
And I say, I think you should have to be really,

4030
3:11:44 --> 3:11:47
really careful about taking any drug in pregnancy

4031
3:11:47 --> 3:11:49
that has not been investigated in long-term studies.

4032
3:11:49 --> 3:11:52
And they say, well, I'm really scared of getting COVID

4033
3:11:52 --> 3:11:55
and COVID has caused miscarriages or causes stillbirth.

4034
3:11:55 --> 3:11:59
So if I don't get this vaccine and then I have a stillbirth,

4035
3:11:59 --> 3:12:01
I'm going to blame you or I'm going to blame the advice.

4036
3:12:01 --> 3:12:03
So you can't actually win.

4037
3:12:03 --> 3:12:06
Because you don't know the answer as a doctor,

4038
3:12:06 --> 3:12:10
your only honest answer is to say, I don't know.

4039
3:12:10 --> 3:12:12
And therefore I'm not going to take

4040
3:12:12 --> 3:12:14
that opportunity away from you.

4041
3:12:14 --> 3:12:15
If you want to get it going.

4042
3:12:15 --> 3:12:16
But Sam, if you don't know,

4043
3:12:16 --> 3:12:19
you can't obtain non-form consent.

4044
3:12:19 --> 3:12:20
And that's what I'm saying.

4045
3:12:20 --> 3:12:24
You say the patient should be given the information

4046
3:12:24 --> 3:12:27
that this is completely untested, untried therapy.

4047
3:12:27 --> 3:12:30
And there are so many problems from the past

4048
3:12:30 --> 3:12:32
of untested, untried therapies in pregnancy.

4049
3:12:32 --> 3:12:34
And that's why I wrote to the Royal College

4050
3:12:34 --> 3:12:36
in April last year and said,

4051
3:12:36 --> 3:12:38
you can't say what you're saying on the internet.

4052
3:12:38 --> 3:12:41
What you have to say is it has not been tested.

4053
3:12:41 --> 3:12:43
And they did not change it.

4054
3:12:44 --> 3:12:44
So I'm honestly-

4055
3:12:44 --> 3:12:47
I don't understand why it pointed his patients

4056
3:12:47 --> 3:12:50
to the MHRA yellow card data.

4057
3:12:50 --> 3:12:53
That was a really sensible thing to do,

4058
3:12:53 --> 3:12:56
but he still got suspended, didn't he?

4059
3:12:56 --> 3:12:58
And you see it and see, can you see the problem?

4060
3:12:58 --> 3:13:01
So if nobody's outside that,

4061
3:13:01 --> 3:13:03
they'll just get suspended.

4062
3:13:03 --> 3:13:06
So it's gotta be pitchforks and torches then.

4063
3:13:06 --> 3:13:08
That's the only way we're gonna do it.

4064
3:13:08 --> 3:13:08
No.

4065
3:13:08 --> 3:13:13
If Stephen's criminal action fails, I mean, it may be.

4066
3:13:13 --> 3:13:17
But the argument you're picking with me

4067
3:13:17 --> 3:13:21
is that I said that the vaccine should have been allowed.

4068
3:13:21 --> 3:13:23
Well, actually, you lost me at-

4069
3:13:23 --> 3:13:24
You agree with vaccines,

4070
3:13:24 --> 3:13:26
that they're generally a good idea.

4071
3:13:26 --> 3:13:30
I personally know four children that were vaccine injured

4072
3:13:30 --> 3:13:31
within hours.

4073
3:13:31 --> 3:13:34
I mean, they became autistic or brain damaged

4074
3:13:34 --> 3:13:36
within hours of the MMR jab.

4075
3:13:36 --> 3:13:38
I personally, that's in my own family,

4076
3:13:38 --> 3:13:40
nevermind the autistic kids I used to work with.

4077
3:13:40 --> 3:13:42
We don't wanna be haranguing.

4078
3:13:43 --> 3:13:45
Yeah, but I just,

4079
3:13:45 --> 3:13:47
I think we've gotta reevaluate

4080
3:13:47 --> 3:13:49
everything we ever talked about medicine.

4081
3:13:49 --> 3:13:52
You can disagree with me as much as you want,

4082
3:13:52 --> 3:13:57
but I am, of the spectrum of people,

4083
3:13:57 --> 3:14:01
more on your side than 99% of the doctors.

4084
3:14:01 --> 3:14:02
And that's the problem.

4085
3:14:02 --> 3:14:03
I was a care worker.

4086
3:14:03 --> 3:14:07
Where were the NHS 100,000 when myself

4087
3:14:07 --> 3:14:08
and all my colleagues were being told

4088
3:14:08 --> 3:14:10
that we couldn't work unless we were jabbed?

4089
3:14:10 --> 3:14:11
I mean, this-

4090
3:14:11 --> 3:14:13
You're actually undercover.

4091
3:14:13 --> 3:14:15
Yeah, we've got a problem, haven't we, Sam?

4092
3:14:15 --> 3:14:16
Yeah.

4093
3:14:17 --> 3:14:20
Well, I personally think these are the greatest-

4094
3:14:20 --> 3:14:23
Sam, I think that these,

4095
3:14:23 --> 3:14:24
this is my opinion,

4096
3:14:24 --> 3:14:26
that these are the greatest crimes against humanity

4097
3:14:27 --> 3:14:28
ever committed.

4098
3:14:28 --> 3:14:30
I'm including not just the vaccinations,

4099
3:14:30 --> 3:14:32
but the social distancing,

4100
3:14:32 --> 3:14:34
the lockdowns,

4101
3:14:34 --> 3:14:35
the psychological trauma,

4102
3:14:35 --> 3:14:38
the brainwashing.

4103
3:14:38 --> 3:14:40
It's just awful.

4104
3:14:40 --> 3:14:43
The psychological torture of coercion

4105
3:14:43 --> 3:14:47
and the arbitrariness of these nonsense rules.

4106
3:14:47 --> 3:14:49
Now, and I think that's where we should,

4107
3:14:49 --> 3:14:51
that's where people should focus their energies

4108
3:14:51 --> 3:14:53
in terms of criminal action,

4109
3:14:53 --> 3:14:54
is about the coercion.

4110
3:14:54 --> 3:14:57
There are actions also going on to say,

4111
3:14:57 --> 3:14:59
you need to stop this vaccination rollout

4112
3:14:59 --> 3:15:03
until such and such criteria has been evaluated.

4113
3:15:03 --> 3:15:04
That's correct.

4114
3:15:04 --> 3:15:05
That's the correct thing to do.

4115
3:15:05 --> 3:15:07
So, I agree with you.

4116
3:15:07 --> 3:15:10
It should be stopped at the point of that.

4117
3:15:10 --> 3:15:12
That's where, if you haven't got this information,

4118
3:15:12 --> 3:15:15
you've got to pause until you've got this information.

4119
3:15:15 --> 3:15:17
Because your safety signal,

4120
3:15:17 --> 3:15:17
you've now got evidence

4121
3:15:17 --> 3:15:19
that your safety signal is too strong.

4122
3:15:19 --> 3:15:22
You didn't have that evidence in March last year.

4123
3:15:23 --> 3:15:24
Sam?

4124
3:15:25 --> 3:15:26
Yeah.

4125
3:15:26 --> 3:15:27
Quick question.

4126
3:15:29 --> 3:15:33
What would happen to a doctor if they recuse themselves?

4127
3:15:33 --> 3:15:37
In other words, they neither confirm nor deny it.

4128
3:15:37 --> 3:15:40
They neither advocate nor disparage the vaccine.

4129
3:15:40 --> 3:15:42
They just say, I don't give vaccines.

4130
3:15:42 --> 3:15:44
I don't give advice on vaccines.

4131
3:15:44 --> 3:15:47
By doing that, you're telling the patient

4132
3:15:47 --> 3:15:49
that you're very skeptical about them,

4133
3:15:49 --> 3:15:52
but you're not explicitly saying it.

4134
3:15:53 --> 3:15:56
Would the Australian regulator go after you

4135
3:15:56 --> 3:15:57
if you recused yourself?

4136
3:15:57 --> 3:15:59
Well, they haven't come after me yet,

4137
3:15:59 --> 3:16:02
but they would like to.

4138
3:16:03 --> 3:16:05
So, no, I don't think they can come after you

4139
3:16:05 --> 3:16:06
for recusing yourself.

4140
3:16:07 --> 3:16:10
Well, Sam, if they do come after you, then let me know.

4141
3:16:14 --> 3:16:15
Thank you, Scott.

4142
3:16:16 --> 3:16:18
We'll send Stephen to Australia.

4143
3:16:19 --> 3:16:20
I think they will try,

4144
3:16:20 --> 3:16:21
but you have to remember that

4145
3:16:22 --> 3:16:26
the way I look at it is I'm under an ethical duty

4146
3:16:26 --> 3:16:28
that is in their policies,

4147
3:16:28 --> 3:16:32
that my primary duty is to the care

4148
3:16:32 --> 3:16:34
of the patients and the public.

4149
3:16:34 --> 3:16:37
So I have been typed,

4150
3:16:37 --> 3:16:42
because David Wiseman gave a presentation

4151
3:16:42 --> 3:16:43
to the FDA on boosters,

4152
3:16:43 --> 3:16:45
and my name was on that paper,

4153
3:16:45 --> 3:16:48
because I helped him with some of the women's stuff.

4154
3:16:48 --> 3:16:51
And then I got targeted by the media

4155
3:16:51 --> 3:16:53
for existing in that paper.

4156
3:16:54 --> 3:16:55
In Australia?

4157
3:16:57 --> 3:16:59
So I submitted that document then

4158
3:16:59 --> 3:17:01
as a public interest disclosure.

4159
3:17:01 --> 3:17:05
And in Australia, if you make a public interest disclosure

4160
3:17:05 --> 3:17:08
and somebody comes after you, it's a criminal act.

4161
3:17:08 --> 3:17:11
So they can go to jail for two years.

4162
3:17:11 --> 3:17:12
Wow.

4163
3:17:12 --> 3:17:14
You don't have that in the UK.

4164
3:17:14 --> 3:17:15
You've got employment law,

4165
3:17:15 --> 3:17:17
which is what Sam White went under.

4166
3:17:17 --> 3:17:19
And you've got employment law disclosure acts,

4167
3:17:19 --> 3:17:22
but you don't have a criminal response.

4168
3:17:25 --> 3:17:29
Well, actually what Sam White won on in the end

4169
3:17:29 --> 3:17:32
was on a free speech issue.

4170
3:17:32 --> 3:17:34
Yeah, he only half won though.

4171
3:17:36 --> 3:17:39
Well, he won in the high courts.

4172
3:17:39 --> 3:17:40
No, no, I get that, but he only half won,

4173
3:17:40 --> 3:17:44
because they essentially won on a technicality, didn't they?

4174
3:17:46 --> 3:17:49
Well, yes, but I think the judge was quite clever

4175
3:17:50 --> 3:17:53
because he wanted to find in Sam's favor

4176
3:17:53 --> 3:17:55
and he found that technicality.

4177
3:17:55 --> 3:17:57
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's good.

4178
3:17:57 --> 3:17:59
But that again, relies on the judge, doesn't it?

4179
3:17:59 --> 3:18:00
So is Sam White back practicing

4180
3:18:00 --> 3:18:02
and able to speak freely?

4181
3:18:02 --> 3:18:03
That's the question.

4182
3:18:04 --> 3:18:07
I don't think he wants to work in the present NHS

4183
3:18:07 --> 3:18:09
and neither do I.

4184
3:18:09 --> 3:18:10
He speaks very freely.

4185
3:18:10 --> 3:18:14
He's got a telegram page that he's quite prolific on.

4186
3:18:14 --> 3:18:17
Oh, they're absolutely terrified of Sam White now, yeah.

4187
3:18:17 --> 3:18:18
Yeah.

4188
3:18:20 --> 3:18:21
But they'll come after him again.

4189
3:18:23 --> 3:18:25
But that's what I'm saying, that's the problem,

4190
3:18:25 --> 3:18:27
that's the problem, Steve, is the regulators.