So everybody welcome to today's meeting of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
This group was founded over four years ago by Stephen Foster, a British trained medical
doctor with a passion for truth.
And we've just been talking about the lack of truth in the mainstream media, in particular
in the context of the knife attack by two blacks on a train bound for King's Cross
in London.
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ethics, justice, freedom and health in the face of global challenges.
This time we remember two unlawfully incarcerated lawyers, Rainer Formick and Arno van Kessel,
both of them fighting for their clients and both of them fighting for what we're fighting
for.
They call on the governments of Netherlands and Germany to release those two lawyers immediately.
The show notes contain details of how to find out about Rainer Formick and there's a link
to the video that many people, where many people call on Rainer to be freed.
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So we're thrilled to welcome our guest presenter again, Jerome Corsi.
I don't have one, he can tell us about himself in whatever way he wants to.
He has presented to us some five times previously and he's right at the epicentre of what's
happening in America.
He's an author of some 35 books or 32 or 27 ridiculous number of books.
Well done, Jerome.
And thank you again, Stephen Frost, for creating this group.
Jerome, we are in your hands and everybody for just coming on now.
Stephen Hatfield, there's been a, there's been a stuff happened.
So Jerome stepping in now instead of Stephen Hatfield.
Jerome, we're in your hands.
Well thank you.
It's good to be back with everybody here and I'm going to, it's kind of impromptu, but
I want to go over some of the most recent developments in Israel, in the Ukraine war,
domestically with the shutdown of the government, with Antifa and other steps Donald Trump is
taking to get a control of the hard left in America.
And I think we should cover a lot of topics.
I'll leave a good amount of time for questions so we can have an active discussion of these
issues.
But there's a few things I want to cover that I think are highlight pretty much new information,
at least putting together things that have been happening.
I've written two articles in American Thinker recently, one on October 13th, and I'm going
to put that in chat so everybody can see the article.
And then I'm going to comment on it.
So here we go in chat and the article is here.
So that's the article.
You can pick it up and look at it as I discuss it.
The point I'm making in this article is that if you take a look at what's happened in the
relationship with Israel and Trump has managed to get this really historic ceasefire in Gaza.
Well it was not accidental this happened.
And it was, it took some really delicate behind the scenes negotiations and pressure on Netanyahu
to get this to the point where it's at.
So President Trump in recent weeks has been pressured to back off support from Israel,
largely because of an incident on September 9th, 2025, when US military spotted Israeli
fighter jets flying eastward toward the Persian Gulf.
And unsure of the mission, US military intelligence saw clarification from the Israeli government.
And by the time Israel responded, missiles were already in the air taking out Hamas leaders
attending a meeting in the Qatari capital of Doha.
Okay, now the problem with this was that Netanyahu didn't bother to clear this with Trump first.
And Trump reacted very angrily.
He said that the news stunned the White House and infuriated some of Trump's top advisors
because it came as the US was waiting for Hamas to respond to President Trump's proposal
for peace in Gaza.
And the Axios, whom I don't normally trust very much, but they were doing accurate reporting
here, especially because it was anti-Trump and anti-Netanyahu, Axios said that Hamas
officials were meeting to discuss the Trump proposal and that Qatar was actually the seventh
country Israel has bombed since October 7th, 2023.
Okay so now Axios later changed its reporting to say Netanyahu had in fact spoken with Trump
before the attack.
But again, I'll go with the original story because my information was that Trump was
furious with this.
The BBC reported that Netanyahu had not bothered to clear the strike in advance with Trump
and informed of the strike by US military, Trump was infuriated.
The BBC reported that while six people were killed in the attack, the Hamas leaders survived
and the Trump called the Israeli air attack unfortunate, saying killing the Hamas leaders
does not advance the goals of either Israel or America.
Clearly both Netanyahu and Trump do not want Hamas returning to power in the Gaza, but
they also, Trump does not want, did not want the violence in the Middle East expanded when
he was making a major effort to get Hamas to agree to return the hostages and stop fighting.
So on September 9th, Trump was flanked by Vice President Vance and Secretary of Defense
Hegseth as well as Secretary of State Marco Rubio and he gave an impromptu presser to
reporters outside of Washington DC restaurant.
He said, I'm not thrilled by the whole situation.
He posted on his social media, Trump did, I was very unhappy about it, unhappy about
every aspect.
We got to get the hostages back, but I was unhappy about the way that went down.
And then finally, ABC added to this comments White House press secretary, Caroline Levitt
made the following comments in the Brady briefing room in the White House.
This morning, the Trump administration was notified by the United States military that
as Israel was attacking Hamas, which very unfortunate was located in the section of
Doha, the capital of Qatar, unilaterally bombing inside Qatar, a sovereign nation,
very close ally of the United States is working very hard and bravely taking risks with us
to broker peace and does not, this does not advance America's goals.
United States has a military base in Qatar, which is very important strategically to the
efforts we've had through going back to the George W Bush administration in the Middle
East.
Now, the next things that happened, by the way, the information I have is that around
the time when Trump was so upset with with Netanyahu, he pulled in a lot of conservative
leaders, including Charlie Kirk and including Tucker Carlson.
And he said basically that he wanted them to back off support for his for Israel.
They did not want them to be cheerleading Israel.
So when Charlie Kirk and this started now with a big controversy with Candace Owens
because Candace Owens was criticizing Charlie Kirk for backing off of Israel when Charlie
Kirk's father had been one of the most vocal Christian Zionists favoring Israel for decades.
And Charlie Kirk himself was a big supporter of Israel.
And then you see that we had Tucker Carlson in this interview with Fuentes back off Israel.
And that developed into a controversy with the Heritage Foundation because the Heritage
Foundation has refused to disavow Tucker Carlson for attacking Charlie Kirk and others over
this whole issue of support for Israel.
But what has not been reported is that this started with Trump and his unhappiness with
Netanyahu.
And Trump wanted to pull to communicate to Netanyahu that this was not going to be tolerated.
And if Netanyahu wanted to continue down this path, he was going to lose a lot of American
support.
Netanyahu is nowhere in this war against either Iran or against Hezbollah in Lebanon or against
Hamas in the Gaza.
So on September 17, 2005, Saudi Arabia signed a mutual defense pact with Pakistan that could
not have been done without the approval of President Trump.
Pakistan is a nuclear nation.
So Pakistan now has its nuclear umbrella, stretch over Saudi Arabia, and the message
was clear.
Israel better think twice about attacking Muslim nations in the Middle East without
first getting a green light from Trump himself.
And attending the meeting in the White House was Charlie Kirk, Patrick Ben-David, and
Megyn Kelly, all of whom had been strong supporters of Israel.
And Trump was saying, back off Israel.
OK, so October 3, Hamas agreed to participate in the Gaza peace talks that Trump engineered.
And Trump called Netanyahu to celebrate the good news.
But Netanyahu told Trump that Hamas's agreement was nothing to celebrate.
It didn't mean anything.
Trump said, I don't know why you're always so negative.
This is a win.
Take it.
Now, Netanyahu clearly wants to destroy Hamas in the Gaza and to eliminate any vestiges
of Hamas.
We saw after the ceasefire started, Hamas emerged from the tunnels and began killing
other Muslims who had tried to take control of Gaza in the vacuum left with Hamas had
to go underground.
OK, so basically, Trump has really gotten, you know, and again, Trump has denied this
report again about saying that Netanyahu is always so negative.
They're saying that Axios is just trying to fan the flames here.
But my intelligence is that all this is accurate.
Trump was livid with Netanyahu.
And so basically, what I what I analyzed here and I wanted to communicate it to Netanyahu
that there's really only one course of action open to Netanyahu.
And that is he's got to clear everything that he does in the Middle East with Trump.
Trump will take Netanyahu's phone calls 24 by 7 basis.
And so Netanyahu's got to invoke the wisdom of Solomon here to avoid taking action that
would turn world opinion against Israel at the moment when we have a possibility of entering
a new era in the Middle East history.
Now I don't believe that Hamas is going to go quietly into the night, but I do think
it's been severely destabilized and and really damaged as a fighting force.
And also Trump is now in a position where he's gotten attack on a successful attack
on Iran, which has at least set back its nuclear program significantly.
And Lebanon has been has also been set back by Israel.
So this is the first time in the since 1948 that the region has a chance of entering a
new era where the goal is not to destroy Israel and wipe the Jewish state off the face of
the earth.
Now Trump did not get a Pulitzer Prize and that's no surprise given the leftist nature
of the Pulitzer Commission or committee.
But Netanyahu has got to take the path here of letting the ceasefire work if possible.
Netanyahu has been in power for three decades in Israel.
He's the longest serving prime minister.
He's held the office three times.
He's obviously a patriot and a national hero.
But if he continues on the path of irritating Trump, he's not going to benefit the cause
of Israel.
And I think it's time for Netanyahu to to begin declaring a victory and saying that
he will retire at this point and bring in new leadership within Israel that can take
a new approach.
Where Trump is going is Trump wants to invoke the Abraham Accords and he wants to have the
he's got Wittkopf and Kushner who originally negotiated the Abraham Accords in the first
Trump administration.
He's going to try to get the nations in the Middle East to lay down their cause to destroy
Israel and begin working with Israel because Trump's major theme is going to be peace through
prosperity and Israel can bring prosperity to the Middle East simply by cultivating the
economic stimulus of the economic genius, which is Israel, technologically one of the
most advanced nations in the world and very productive using hydroponics, which Israel
has developed the Middle East could feed the globe.
It could have at least three growing seasons in the desert.
All would need would be water and nutrients and the deserts in the Middle East would produce
ample food for an increasing population of the world, not a depopulation, which is what
the globalists want.
So if Trump can Trump's also got an issue and that if he goes down the path of criticizing
Netanyahu, this Hamas loving mainstream media will happily jump on the bandwagon of destroying
Israel's image of the minds of the 2026 midterm voters.
Certainly the university crowd will rejoice at ingravitas to the mainstream media anti-Israel
genocide narratives.
OK, so Netanyahu, after I wrote this article, Netanyahu did begin working with Trump and
laid down his ambitions to go against Trump's wishes by prolonging the attacks with Hamas.
And what I was warning Netanyahu trying to get the out there was that Hamas was going
to do a series of attacks to try to provoke a start of the war again, because Hamas can
only succeed if there's chaos and violence.
And if it goes down the path of peace through prosperity, Hamas will not have much of a
constituency.
And if Israel continues down the path that Trump is leading, that I think there's a
chance that Israel could have new leadership from within Likud and unify the country,
which would, I think, want to achieve peace in the Gaza and also turn to the West Bank
to see if they could diminish Hamas's control over the West Bank.
But again, Netanyahu cannot go to war on the West Bank without Trump's approval.
So it's got to be dealt with very carefully.
My feeling is that Trump has this situation pretty well in hand, although I don't rule
out the possibility of another kind of existential threat attack that Hamas might launch, which
would again be so shocking that the world would demand reprisal and again side with
Israel in going after Hamas to destroy Hamas.
Hamas is really on the edge right now.
And the future of Hamas depends upon violence, whereas the future for Trump and Netanyahu
and for the Israeli people and the Middle East as a whole lies in peace and prosperity.
I'd also want to emphasize that from an investment banking perspective, and increasingly I've
been working in investment banking in the United States to support some causes.
Like America First, I've joined with Joshua Macias, who headed the Veterans for Trump
since 2016.
We created an American First organization and we're now actively looking to work with
the VA and with HUD to create a series of centers for the military to retire into, to
transition into civilian life, together with ample medical care, telemedicine, to deal
with post-traumatic stress injuries, to deal with traumatic brain injuries, and a host
of other issues that the military have coming out of military life coming into civilian
life, homelessness, suicide, etc.
And so I'm sponsoring now and funding different things that will go into that direction.
So we have published another book I want to mention.
I'll grab it here for a second.
We just published Meredith Miller's book, Becoming Whole.
So that's another book we've had coming out of this, published by Post Hill Press.
And I found her by one of the presentations she gave to this group.
And her whole thesis of her book is that, you know, basically we're dealing with a Stockholm
syndrome and the narcissism in that even with the pandemic, you know, it was an attempt
at social control, which is similar to the way that narcissists try to capture and manipulate
those with whom they have relationships by threatening them, you know, very set steps
that basically she lays out a whole process of how narcissism works, which is, you know,
four or five steps that you have.
Let me just detail them for you here.
She has first step is the, let me just find the perceived acts of kindness.
The narcissists are always kind and the government said we're trying to protect you from COVID.
Perceived life threat.
You know, you can't get out of the relationship or you'll suffer tremendously if you break
the relationship or you're all going to die if you don't do what the government says.
Perceived inability to escape.
Don't know how to get out of the relationship, so you don't know how to avoid being vaxxed.
And then a state of captivity in which you realize you've lost control.
And the greatest deception is it's really anti-life programming, either on an individual
level or on a social level.
It's quite a good book.
And I hope she gets to do interviews and gets the publicity she needs to make it read to
the extent it deserves to be read.
Okay, so I want to shift down to Ukraine.
There have also been a lot of developments on Ukraine.
I wrote another article on Ukraine, which I want to focus on here that I'll put it in
chat as well.
And by the way, Jerome, your website that you want people to go to is called 5...
God's Five Stones.
I'll put it in chat.
We're doing a new round of donations.
I'll comment on that too.
Here's the article on Ukraine that I want to talk about next.
And then I'll put in here the God's Five Stones.
We're going to engage in an active round of seeking more donations because there are
significant developments coming on in the voter integrity issue, which I'll talk about
as well.
But...
Jerome, was Meredith happy with the book?
Yeah, very happy.
I think she needs some assistance in learning how to publicize it.
I started talking to her about that, but it's quite a good book.
It's a very good captivating read.
Once you start reading it, I found it led me forward and held my attention.
And it's very insightful.
Do you think narcissism is more common than most people appreciate?
Yes, I think narcissism is in some ways the bane of our current social environment.
I think people engage in narcissistic relationships in order to satisfy their own sense of worth.
We've lost the ability to have really true relationships that are founded upon mutual
respect.
I think feminism and a lot of other social movements have driven women into a feeling
of whether their lives were fulfilled enough by a marriage.
Certainly, I've gone through it in my situation.
And long-term marriages being broken up by the women is an unusual phenomenon.
Typically, marriages were broken up by men having affairs, not by women having affairs.
And I think it has a lot to do with the narcissism that is at the core of a lot of relationships
anymore.
Instead of viewing womanhood as being a gift of God to be able to bring life into the world
and being a mother to being a profession of dignity, women are instructed that if they're
not in the workplace, they're not fulfilling themselves.
My daughter, for instance...
Even if they're doing the most boring jobs, Jerome, it's just ridiculous.
Well my daughter wants to be a mother and that's her goal.
And I'm 100% in support of that.
As her first child last December, now she's pregnant with twins.
She'll have three babies under two.
I'm thrilled.
Does she know what's causing it?
Yeah, I think she's got a good handle on it.
I think she's got that one down, Charles.
But they want a big family and I think they're going to have a big family.
And I'm very much in support of it.
At any rate, Meredith Miller's book, I think, is very important as it does emphasize this
theme of narcissism.
Yeah, which is a very difficult subject.
And even if you think you may have suffered that, you don't want to admit it because it's
shameful in many people's eyes that essentially you've been made a victim.
And I think it's actually much more common than we've realized because the people who
are the victims of narcissism, they don't understand what's gone on very often until
they may not understand till they die.
So yeah, I think she first she writes, I'll just read a paragraph or two.
She writes, social engineering and indoctrination roles from generation to generation.
The underlying patterns are the same.
While the messaging and cultural context shift, much like we've seen in the plandemics and
wars, it's all the same playbook, really reality distortion, psychological and spiritual torture,
intermittent acts of perceived kindness, fantasies presented as welcome escapism and
system dynamics updated in cultural and situational circumstances.
The boon of American cars, advertising, music and consumer culture was engineered to reprogram
people after the trauma with happy idealized memories and fantasies.
It was surely a lot easier to focus on the enticing life of convenience and distraction
than to face the unresolved past or present threats of nuclear annihilation.
So she goes on to combine the end of World War II and manipulation there, the lying of
the government with how narcissism works as a psychological phenomenon and how we all
become subject to the Stockholm syndrome in which we begin to identify with our oppressors.
It's quite brilliant.
And I think she's a genius.
I noticed that.
And I think I introduced you to her, Jerome.
Yes, you did.
You did.
And as I talked to her, I really decided I was concerned the book might not get as much
attention as it deserves.
I thought if we brought it out, we could get it more attention.
And my past year has been very distracted by personal issues, but my own divorce going
forward and all the other issues I've suffered since the Mueller investigation.
But I'm wanting to publish more books out of this group and we will continue to do so.
Excellent, Jerome.
OK, now I think your analysis is, you know, what you were talking about earlier was very
nuanced.
It always is very nuanced.
And we need nuance.
We need people to understand that things are not simple like in the social media world,
you know, whether something's either true or not true.
It's often a mixture and it's nuanced and people don't understand the nuance.
They don't want to see it because it means they've got to take responsibility to understand
all the things that need to be taken into account.
Well, as many as possible as far as human beings are capable.
Anyway, sorry, Jerome.
Well, I think that's a very good observation.
And I think the reality is that life is complicated.
And the attempt to simplify it is not necessarily going to resolve problems.
And we have, you know, the facing the truth is often the most difficult thing to do.
And the truth in some of these relationships and what Meredith points out in her book is
that when you finally see the truth of a narcissistic relationship or the manipulation by the government
and she goes on to, you know, how many lies the government is told in the in the effort
to maintain social control and how polarized we've gotten as a result.
And I'll get to that here in a couple of minutes as well.
But let's cover some developments in Ukraine because I think there's some things that have
gone on in Ukraine that people have not understood that are very important to understand right
now.
OK, so the last couple of weeks, we've seen that Trump has made another effort to solve
this war in Ukraine.
And he had a meeting with Zelensky in the White House and a conversation with Putin
on the phone.
And Putin and Trump were going to meet in Budapest.
But after Trump had a meeting between Lavrov, who is the foreign minister of Russia and
Rubio, preliminary to that summit, Trump called it off.
And so there's no point to it.
Now there's a history here, too.
And so on September 23rd, all this goes back to September and October were very important
months, both in the Middle East and with Ukraine.
They were pivotal months for setting up, I believe, the future of both areas for many
years.
OK, so in the Middle East now we've gotten the first step of a very fragile ceasefire,
but one that I think Trump is going to do everything possible to persist, have it persist.
So let's now deal with Ukraine.
On September 23rd, 2025, during a meeting with Zelensky at the United Nations General
Assembly gathering, a private meeting, Trump suggested that Ukraine could win back all
the territory seized by Russia, which was an apparent reversal of Trump's policy from
the beginning, when Trump had said that Russia's gains would not be returned to Ukraine.
So less than a week later, on September 29th, Vice President Vance was the first to suggest
that the United States was seriously considering granting Ukraine's request for long-range
Tomahawk missiles to defend the country against Russian forces.
Now Tomahawk missiles are cruise missiles, which can be nuclear armed, and they are long-range.
They could hit deeply into Russia, but they would have to be guided by American troops
and American guidance systems.
Now on the same day, September 29th, General Keith Kellogg, who is the US Special Envoy
on Ukraine, and clearly I've been a warmonger from the beginning, said that Trump authorized
NATO members to deploy non-NATO Ukraine offensive missile systems that the United States provided.
In other words, Kellogg suggested that Trump would sell the Tomahawks or allow NATO to
buy the Tomahawks and then give them, broker them to Ukraine, with the understanding that
NATO was authorized to strike Moscow with US missiles through Ukraine firing them.
Now that would transform the Ukraine war from a proxy war between Russia and Ukraine
into a direct war with Russia and NATO, if not between Russia and the United States,
because Russia has changed its nuclear and military policies, saying that if a nation
supplies a weapon that is used against Russia, but that weapon is fired by our troops and
our guidance systems and our weapon, Russia considers itself at war with us.
Now that Vance and Kellogg on the same day said the same kind of message that suggests
that Kellogg was the author of the suggestion that Trump should supply Zlensky-to-Tomahawk
missiles brokered by the United States to Ukraine through NATO.
What Kellogg is saying is that the only way the war will stop is if Russia understands
that we're going to attack Russia and take back the territory, and therefore Russia will
come to terms to stop the war now so as not to expand the war.
The problem is that I'm pretty well convinced that Putin has decided that he can win a war
with the United States, he can even win a nuclear war with the United States.
Last week he's demonstrated some of these new hypersonic turbulence weapons which could
cause tsunamis which would destroy coastal cities like New York City.
And I believe that the earthquake that was set off in September, I believe in September,
that caused a huge tsunami in the Pacific Ocean was a turbulence weapon that Russia
demonstrated.
Russia also demonstrated a nuclear-powered cruise missile that could circle the globe
indefinitely in a satellite position to be used, called down and used whenever Russia
wanted it to be put into an attack position.
So this could create a nuclear cruise missile belt around the globe that Russia could command,
and we do not seem to have a similar weapon.
All right, so now on October 13th, and in response to statements from Trump and others
in the United Administration, including Kellogg, former Russian President Dmitry Medvedev made
clear that Tomahawk missiles supplied to Buzinskoy would cause, would bring us to the brink of
nuclear war, just as we were when at the end of the Biden administration, Biden prevented
these attack missiles, US attack missiles to Ukraine, and they were fired into Russia
with our troops firing them and our guidance system.
That's what caused Russia to change their nuclear policies.
So on the day before Trump met with Zelensky on October 17th, he and Trump and Putin had
a phone call, and that's when they said they would meet in Budapest, Hungary, the next
couple of weeks.
And what Putin suggested, however, that Kiev would have to surrender control of Donetsk.
Donetsk is a region in the Donbas, which is one of these eastern provinces that are largely
Russian speaking, and Putin does not have control over this Donetsk region because there's
a number of cities that have been hardened and it's been difficult for Putin to penetrate
through those defenses because it's really one of the last lines of defense before Putin
could go into Kiev.
So then on October 17th, when Zelensky comes to the White House, it's a very rancorous
meeting with Trump, and Trump is not going to give Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, and
that caused a complete breakdown in the meeting, which turned into a shouting match with some
swearing I'm told.
And Zelensky did not get what he wanted.
But then things changed on October 21 when the preliminary meeting with Lavrov made it
clear that Russia was going to stick to its guns here and say they weren't going to cede
any territory and they wanted Ukraine to cede more territory that Russia had not yet gotten
in this Donbas region where it's Donetsk.
Now I think in general, Kellogg has been parked because after Trump came out yesterday,
our Department of War said it was authorized that if Trump decided to, the Department of War
had no problem with Trump giving Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, but that decision was Trump's.
And Trump has not made that decision and doesn't appear ready to make that decision.
Now Trump has said that the solution here is for Putin just to stop fighting ceasefire
where they are, and then they can negotiate how to settle the war with some territorial swapping
back and forth.
But if Putin is not ready to do that, Trump has got to realize that Putin is signaling that he
thinks he can win this war.
And so I'm coming to a number of conclusions that number one, we must not provide Tomahawk
missiles to Ukraine because it would put us to the verge of World War III and Trump has got to
realize that.
Vance gave an interview over the weekend in which Vance said that the United States was not
going to impose our policies into the war.
We're going to withdraw more and put more onto the Europeans to support this war if they
wanted to.
So what I wrote is that Trump could force an end game by refusing to fund Ukraine with supply
advanced weapons, cutting back the funding and cutting funding to NATO.
Without US dollars, this war can't continue.
And that would give Trump an opportunity to do more of his piece through prosperity and
introducing that type of thinking into what's really a centuries long conflict between Russia
and Ukraine over this Donbass region, which happens to be very a strong industrial region of
Ukraine, one that's been coveted for centuries by both Ukraine and Russia.
But the point is, I'm coming to several conclusions about Ukraine.
Number one is Putin is not going to be dislodged from the territory he occupies in Ukraine with
other nuclear war.
We're not going to supply advanced weaponry to Zelensky without a nuclear war.
The only way this war can end is for us to withdraw our support in terms of money, weapons.
And right now, the desertion rates of the Ukrainian army at record highs.
And Zelensky is losing his battle to keep troops in the field to fight Russia.
Russia has been restrained like we were in Vietnam.
Russia has not used weaponry Russia has.
Russia has been fighting the kind of limited conventional war that we fought in Vietnam.
And it didn't do very well for us in Vietnam, but we didn't have an enemy, don't have an
enemy like Ho Chi Minh that's a guerrilla warfare in Ukraine.
This is really a conventional warfare with advanced weaponry.
And I think it can, I think Trump will engineer this to conclusion, but he's going to take
I believe a more neutral attitude towards it.
And Putin's going to have to really understand that if Trump withdraws support from Russia,
Russia even economically is not going to do well under sanctions, with sanctions on oil.
The BRICS nations are yet formative.
China is yet in marginal economic conditions with, and Europe is way over leveraged on
debt.
So I consider that Europe could be at the verge of an economic crash, especially when
Germany over the last two weeks actually blew up or destroyed the last of its nuclear power
plants.
Germany is deindustrializing at a time when Germany has been the economic powerhouse of
the EU.
The EU is going into really I think hard times.
And Europe is being overrun now with Muslims who are making it clear they have no intention
of assimilating.
They want to impose Sharia law in countries like Great Britain.
So I think that Trump is going to, the Ukraine wars turned out to be a lot more difficult
to resolve than Trump thought it would be because Putin I think senses that he's got
the upper hand.
Putin's won the war.
And the West is going to have to acknowledge that.
And a war that we should never have fought, the Biden administration was the one who fought
it.
And that was as a result of Hillary Clinton and her having her private email server while
Bill Clinton was running the Clinton Foundation out of office and they were using it for personal
gain with people like Pinochek, who is one of the oligarchs in Ukraine that Hillary courted
and took money from going back to 2013.
The Maidan rebellion, the State Department with the color revolution, Soros, pushing
NATO to the border of Russia with CIA having 35 offices along the border with Russia and
the United States putting a bio weapons lab in the border with Russia.
These were provocative acts.
And so therefore I think Zelensky is not about, Zelensky is going to have to realize that
he's lost the war and by his increasing, Trump's increasing disillusionment with Zelensky that
started at the first Zelensky meeting and the second Trump term, which ended up in a
shouting match as you remember when Zelensky misbehaved in the Oval Office and tried to
say that Trump had to give a guarantee, a security guarantee to Ukraine as a condition
for peace.
All of these things I think are falling away.
The war is going to stop because I think it's going to grind to a stop and I don't think
either side wants to escalate it at this moment.
And Trump I think realized that but only after Kellogg had his day in the sun and I hope
Kellogg is parked permanently because Kellogg like others that we've seen and John Bolton
is one of the examples of guys who constantly want war all the time and Trump is trying
to break this cycle of perpetual war, which only benefits the bankers and the New World
Order and all the other forces that want to control humanity and a totalitarian future
dystopia.
Okay, now I want to cover a couple more subjects quickly and then I think we can save a good
deal of time for questions and discussions but I think these are areas that are worth
covering.
First of all, Mondami looks like he is positioned to win the mayoral race in New York and behind
Mondami is the Democratic Socialists of America.
Now this is a group that are really determined to destroy America.
They are, Obama was a Democratic Socialist of America, they're really a communist, neo-Marxist
or cultural Maoist group and the book I wrote on the truth about neo-Marxism, cultural Maoism
and anarchy makes it clear that groups like Democratic Socialists of America are going
into the anarchy phase of their movement.
Their goals are to destroy the empire, that's what the Democratic Socialists of America
call the United States, the empire, to replace a market economy with a state controlled Marxism,
defund the police using funds for DEI programs, this diversity, equity and inclusion which
is a race-based preference, supporting terrorist groups and terrorist entities, Amos Hezbollah,
generalizing anti-Semitism and supporting violent extremist groups, promoting foreign
policies that align with authoritarian regimes such as China, Russia and Iran, that's what
the Democratic Socialists are all about.
The funding for them comes from overseas to a large extent, we're realizing that China,
Soros, others are pouring money into our banking system which has become a sieve for money
laundering and the circle around Mondami includes a large number of committed Marxists who are
all being targeted now by the Trump administration as is Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.
If Mondami does win, he could face incarceration by Trump and indictment for not cooperating
to deport illegal immigrants with Tom Homan and his ICE efforts.
We're realizing that we have had a communist movement that has taken over the Democratic
Party. The Democratic Party has now moved into being a treasonous anti-American policy
more aligned with the DSA than with the American public, supporting things such as the Venezuelan
gangs. The Democrats don't want us attacking Venezuela or attacking drug running in Venezuela,
they want to have illegal immigrants vote, they want to support the MS-13 and other gangs
in El Salvador, they want to open the jails so criminals can go out of the jails and they
can fill the jails with their ideological enemies, aging Catholics who like the Latin
mass. This ideological warfare is becoming more intense. God's Five Stones, we've expanded
our breach to go into, take a look at the website, you can see that the people who are
we have gone into ActBlue, which has been Obama opening the borders with Honduras in
2014, get 100,000 unaccompanied minors to come across the border, were brought into
sex trade and organ harvesting. The deal was made with the Sinaloa drug cartels to let
the drug cartel money, put cocaine in the United States including an inland network
of distributors and fend all with China. Obama was making deals with China that were anti-American,
just as he was under the control of Putin, the real operative whom Putin controlled was
Obama, not Trump. The situation in terms of how all this will affect the country, the
world, the world will unfold with the election. First of all, ActBlue, the point I want to
make is that I've got reports from the Justice Department that banks like TD Banks for as
many as six years filed no money laundering reports really at all and they transacted
almost $10 trillion of business in that time, which could include money coming from China
and other sources from foreign sources, contributing into our campaigns and going into the NGOs.
So the money that came in from opening the border went into the banks and got funneled
to NGOs like Antifa and Black Lives Matters through ActBlue, whereas the leaders of ActBlue
would engage in mortgage fraud, they would buy a house for a million dollars in Palo
Tua, California and get $30 million in mortgage loans from banks. Those really weren't mortgage
loans, they were just money laundering, getting it out and booking it as a mortgage loan to
get the money to the criminals in ActBlue. So the amount of money laundering and the
amount of opening the border where the Democratic Party is now being supported by the child
sex trade and organ harvesting, by drugs and fentanyl as its source of support. The
Democratic Party has lost its franchise with the American people as a process of committing
suicide. So this has gone on since 1917 when things I've written about in that book on
the truth about neo-Marxism culture, Maoism and anarchy. This is a Russian playbook for
the overtaking of the United States that goes back to the early days of the Russian Revolution
and authors who were writing about and warning the United States about these tactics of destabilizing
nations in order to take them over. Brezhmanov and others who I've read about in that book
who showed a very systematic plan, psychological plan to destabilize a country like America
and take it over. Now what I think is going to happen is that Trump is preparing, in fact
we've led this with Andrew Picatin finding the algorithms in the state boards of election
databases. A judge in Wisconsin has actually ruled that all Wisconsin state elections have
only citizens can vote in and they struck down this voter provision where you can get
a driver's license with a green card and then you automatically check a box and say you're
a citizen. Nobody checks that and you get a voter registration even if you only have
a green card. So Trump is going to, it's being prepared right now and there's a debate going
on within the administration. There's a couple of people yet blocking it. I've been attacking,
openly attacking this Todd Blanch, Deputy Attorney General who has been blocking Trump's
agenda and Peter Titken has given interviews saying that Trump needs to fire this Todd
Blanch because he's not letting Tina Peters be released. No more pardons have come out
since Todd Blanch said I'll run the Department of Justice. Pam Blondie appears to be working
out of her office in Miami and only doing press conferences while Todd Blanch is running
the Department of Justice and this has got to come to an end. But Trump is preparing
the executive order which will say only citizens can vote so you have to have a voter ID and
proof of citizenship. He will end this general mail-in ballot system where open mail-in ballot
go back to the absentee balloting and he'll eliminate the machines that are being used.
He's brought in to the White House Kurt Olson, a former congressman whose job is going to
be to disseminate more and more information about how the 2020 election was stolen and
that started last week with Tulsi Gabbard coming out in great length talking about Chinese
influence in the 2020 election and documenting how China wanted to flip votes for Biden to
get Trump out of office. Whereas the intelligence at that time before the 2020 election that
Brennan had and others had was that Russia was not interfering with the election which
Obama demanded be changed at the very end as approaching the Russian collusion narrative
in the run up to the 2020 election and that was when the DNI, the intelligence agencies
got together with this statement that Russia was interfering with the election and the
Hunter Biden laptop was Russian disinformation. So I think that Trump is putting the troops
in the cities, he's going to continue doing that, both to get control of these democratic
cities and stop the violence, demand enforcement of law, have ICE be able to operate to remove
illegal immigrants which is going to be stepped up now and if necessary Trump can invoke the
political power to do that. Article 2 powers as commander in chief say that our elections
are under foreign attack and the military can run the 2016 election under rules that
Trump sets out and the courts won't have anything to say about it because it will be
inaction and untaken as commander in chief to protect the integrity of our elections
from foreign interference. So these things are all in shaping right now and we're following
them very closely but I think this gives you some of the behind the scenes look at what's
really going on in Washington and Trump has had a very successful trip to Asia. I think
he had a successful trip to Great Britain by the way, in Great Britain. I believe a
deal has been made with MI6 to turn over the British intelligence on the Department of
Justice's activities in counterintelligence in Great Britain to concoct the Russian intelligence
scheme and Trump has agreed not to press the royal family's involvement with Epstein which
is beginning to come out. You see Prince Andrew is no longer Prince Andrew and that's the
first step which may be ultimately a step to bring criminal charges against him but
the real one that the British family wants protected is Prince Charles now King Charles
who also appears to have been involved in the same activities as was Andrew and the
royal family does not want that coming out and so far Trump does not seem to be pushing
it but I think the revelations on Epstein are going to continue. It's now I think becoming
increasingly clear that Epstein was an agent of the CIA and Mossad and he was engaged in
a massive blackmailing operation. So the Epstein story is going to continue to develop and
it is now developing into a real threat to the British royal family at a time when the
royal family is at its weakest point perhaps in history especially with the Islamization
that's going on in Great Britain and the movement away from British rule to Sharia law which
will intensify over the next few years if it's not stopped. So we covered a lot of different
subjects let me end with that much and we'll get into questions and discussion.
Very good Jerome great work now while Stephen collects his thoughts for the first set of
questions I want to share on my screen everybody and particularly for the purposes of the recording
Jerome's excellent website and this is an this for those watching now live but also
on the recording this is got fantastic information in it I recommend that you go to godsfivestones.com
election integrity all the topics on which Jerome has been speaking there's Andrew Paquette
reference there's exposing corruption Obama coup d'etat human trafficking spiritual warfare
archbishop Vagano comment video archive mission and privacy so gods five stones if you want
to be informed and great work you do there Jerome secondly Jerome I want to bring to
your attention Buttonheart Bear. Right yes. And Buttonheart Bear is part of the forever
freedom movement as a strategy to shine a light on the horrors of child trafficking
for sex and slavery. I'm very pleased you're doing this thank you. So it's a big deal it's
a way that people can get Buttonheart and to engage Buttonheart at social media and
say what's Buttonheart about it's a unique bear's got a heart that every one of them
is numbered he's got his travel pack and he's got a whole bunch of clothing and it becomes
a way for people to discuss this problem because most people are not aware of the horrors of
child trafficking so I'll put the link to forever freedom movement into the chat so
well done on your website it's a it's a well worthy of study and Stephen over to you for
the first set of questions. So Jerome I think that was amazing the way you just talked about
these subjects and just drift around the world and you're American and you're despite the
fact you're American you're nuanced and so and so thank you for all your work and for
your thought and for taking yourself seriously because I think that's what you're beginning
to do. Well I think you were serious before but I don't think you understood your power
and especially when you survived the Mueller investigation so I think you're ironclad because
you did survive the Mueller investigation but also I wanted to ask you you remember
that well they're still doing it of course people are saying Trump's not going to solve
things you know but if you so and but they were saying it before January the 20th as
so looking back over the last months Jerome do you think that I personally think that
Trump is I still think he is amazing I just don't understand how he can be keeping tabs
on the nuances as well because he remembers things that have happened and he says the
right thing and doesn't actually he says things like he's very courageous and he can be very
brave and he takes a chance but most of the time he gets it right so I'm not saying he's
perfect because AI for example I think he's got that wrong and I think HHS is you know
I think they're going to start again with HHS but anyway maybe you can point on that.
Another thing I would like to say I would like to hear what you think of JD Vance so
as I understand it it was it was Charlie Kirk who recommended JD Vance as Vice President
to Trump and but I noticed that Vance you know at first I thought there might be miscommunication
between Trump and Vance but Vance never seems to put foot wrong he even got the White House
you know when they were at the White House and Zelensky was there and he called out Zelensky
over the head of the President as I understood it but Trump approved so he always seems to
get it right he's very young he's the youngest in the cabinet I think he's 40 I think he's
brilliant and I heard this week I'd heard it before but I'd forgotten that he was a
Vance was a recommendation of Charlie Kirk to Trump is that right?
Well it was actually I think more Peter Thiel Peter Thiel supported him and wanted him to
be advanced I think Charlie Kirk was in favor of Vance Thiel's become much more active in
Ohio I've been doing a lot more work with Ohio I was born and raised in Ohio and I'm
doing a lot of work in Ohio right now.
But a lot of people seem to be briefing against Thiel because of his involvement with what's
that firm there in the UK trying to get in in the UK via the NHS?
Yes the Planetar I think is the one you're thinking about the Planetar.
Palantir yes.
Palantir and yeah Palantir is you know a suspect firm in terms of how much control that they
can exert over people I mean there's digital IDs and all these other things that are possible
are also very dystopian and Trump is fighting them.
So why would Charlie Kirk be working with Peter Thiel?
Well I don't think that Peter Thiel was very influential in Ohio in the 20 before the 2024
election and has played a big role in Ohio recently he sees it as an investment area
and I'm not endorsing Peter Thiel I think Vance is in his own right strong and you know
I think he is growing into the role in his interview he made it clear that his role was
to give President Trump his ideas when asked but then when President Trump made a decision
to support that decision and that's the correct role of the Vice President.
Absolutely.
And so he seems to be doing a job and I think Vance is coming to be more MAGA than he was
to begin with and more on board with the MAGA agenda but Trump hasn't deviated.
Now Trump is still facing opposition from the judges, liberal judges and I'm going to
begin recommending again to Trump that he could introduce legislation to redo the federal
judiciary which would mean that every existing federal judge would lose their job because
they might have a lifetime job but not if the job doesn't exist. So we could reorganize
the federal judiciary because it's not called for in the Constitution. The Constitution
says that Congress may appoint federal judges from time to time as deemed appropriate. So
therefore there's no requirement that we have a district or circuit court structure the
way we currently have it. It could be redefined.
Who do you think is coordinating everything at the White House because it seems to me
things are moving apace on, you know, there are so many fields. So he goes on an Asia
trip and creates another set of narratives. So who do you think is coordinating everything
at the White House? Is it Suzy Wiles or is it Stephen Miller?
Well Suzy Wiles has a big influence of course and is kind of the gatekeeper to Trump but
Trump has got many different people in place right now who are on board with his agenda.
I think you see that clearly Pete Hegseth and the Department of Defense,
Tulsi Gabbard, these are strongly with Trump and Tom Holman, strongly with Trump on the
immigration issue. I think the Department of Justice yet has internal problems to be resolved
but it's moving in the right direction. There's evidently a lot of subpoenas being issued
and a lot of grand jury work going on behind the scenes on this Obama coup. And I would not be
surprised to see Obama be under investigation for treason. Now again whether people like Brennan
or Obama at that level go to jail, that's going to be as much a political decision in the United
States as it will be a legal decision but I think they're all vulnerable to indictment and I don't
think Trump's going to let up on all that area. The mortgage fraud which I point out for Act Blue,
my associate and friend Joel Gilbert did the investigative work on Letitia James and mortgage
fraud. The Democrats seem to have been using mortgage fraud as one of their preferred ways
to launder money and that's going to come out. I recommended to the Department of Justice that
this Act Blue be put under investigation and it has been put under investigation, criminal
investigation. It has been put under? Yes. As a result of your recommendation or? Well certainly
mine and others but I strongly recommended it. Absolutely. And I spoke to the internal officers
who assigned it so I know it's under investigation. Very good. Jerome you can smell out
fraud and criminal activity like no other in my opinion. You are, well you have enormous
integrity as I have seen it anyway and the Russiagate thing says everything to me. As soon as I knew
about Russiagate I thought wow, Jerome's the real deal even though he's modest. So I just wanted to
ask you, you said Putin has won the war but it sounds like you're a little bit not surprised but
I think you would agree that Ukraine was never going to win this war so essentially everybody
was supporting Ukraine, all the European leaders and all the European people for that matter and
whoever, they've been actually backing a war that was never going to be won by Ukraine ever. It was
a cult. And a war that should never have been fought. Absolutely, that as well yes but they
were never going to win because they were never going to win. The bottom line that has motivated
that war has been the western part of Ukraine which is under the influence of Germany is still
neo-Nazi and they constantly oppress the Russian speaking populations. They send these neo-Nazi
mobs into attack any freedom independence groups in these Russian speaking provinces
and Putin finally had enough of it. They started to attack the Russian Orthodox clergy and
everyone paints Putin as being a power hungry monster and certain KGB characteristics of it
would justify that conclusion but Putin also has very strong Russian Orthodox faith. Yes,
so he was always going to defend Russia just as America would defend itself if Russia started
putting nuclear missiles in the West Indies and we've seen that before of course.
Yes, well we've seen you know the issues that we're dealing with are complex but what Trump is
able to do and has done is he's cut through these issues with a simplicity that makes them issues
really clear in terms of what's at stake. In other words if the Democrats want to support
illegal immigrants voting, criminals in the street being released without bail,
paying for Medicaid and Medicare for illegal immigrants, all the things the Democrats are
supporting right now, supporting Hamas, opposing Israel, going woke and gender transformation of
children before they reach the age of puberty, surgeries that mutilate them forever. These are
not ideas that an average person is going to accept and so therefore Trump has exposed the
Democratic Party for what it is which is an anti-American policy and party that I've opposed.
I wrote the Obama Nation, I pointed out that Obama was a communist and he had been raised in Islam
and people at that time didn't want to believe it. They wanted to say hope and change.
One of the points that's fascinated me because I think that Ukraine was another Trojan horse for
totalitarianism. I think they wanted people in Western Europe and in America for that matter
to believe that it was possible for Ukraine to defeat Russia. So disregarding the causes of
what happened, Putin's invasion, it seems to me that Ukraine could never win a war against Russia.
You just have to look at a map. It's like getting over 20 times the size of Ukraine,
Russia area-wise. So they were never going to win but the people of Europe and America,
somewhere in America, it was very important to destabilize them by getting them to believe
something that was never going to happen and they did believe it within a week of the announcement
of the invasion. And this is very much like I pointed out when we're talking about Meredith.
Yes, I agree with you. Yes, that's exactly why I was bringing it up. Yeah.
It's that the lies told to promote perpetual war. Correct. So people constantly feel
destabilized. They feel like they're trapped. There's nothing they can do but to go along
with this agenda. So the main intention in my opinion as a medical doctor, Jerome,
is to destabilize human beings. Yes, I agree. And exactly as Meredith Miller has pointed out,
but she hasn't kind of pointed out this nuance perhaps. I think the aim is to destabilize human
beings and it was deliberate and they did the same with COVID and they did the same with climate
change and now some people are dropping the climate change. Well, they've psychologically
tortured people for a long time to believe something that was clearly not true. Well,
climate change is complete nonsense because the science does not justify it. I mean,
the fact is carbon dioxide is not the driver, the primary very causative variable of the
Earth's temperature. It's a minor factor and carbon dioxide as it's increased, it's only
increased marginally, we're in a warming period and the Earth is greener. Yes. So that's not a
detriment to humanity, that's a positive. And also, Jerome, it's very destabilizing for most
Americans and for Europeans observing it to see America of all countries opening its southern
border and people flowing over the border unchecked and children disappearing and it's just another
Trojan horse for totalitarianism getting people to think it's normal that that's happening in
the United States of America when it clearly isn't and also free speech being banned in the UK,
the home of Magna Carta and all the rest, you know, just crazy stuff. We're going through
a period of time where the attempt is to destabilize traditional values, create chaos
and, you know, Brezmanov and others have pointed this out and it's one of the communist
ideas, it's the communist ideology playbook going back to 1917 or before
and that destabilizing societies produces chaos in which a small group can gain power
and impose their totalitarian will upon a society in which they kill those who got them into power
because they don't want any more change. Correct and they certainly don't want human beings
to thrive. Jerome, thank you so much for your great work and for your insights and
for being persistent with your analysis and getting me and others to listen to you. Great work from you.
Well, thank you, I appreciate it and these are, you know, these are things that I've seen and
written about and I've been trying to prevent them. The best way to have them be prevented is
to expose them and to let people see them and I give Donald Trump great credit for that.
Yes, essentially make a diagnosis because without the diagnosis as to what might have happened
or what might nearly have happened, you're never going to solve anything and people don't understand
this. It's the power of the truth and trying to get as close as possible over a period of time
to the truth even though it may hurt in the short term, you have to do it to solve the problem.
Yeah, you've got to have a diagnosis that's correct before you can solve the problem.
Absolutely. And you know, the diagnosis includes the fact that we have allowed this to happen
and we have allowed us to move away from God, that we have not supported traditional values the way we
could have and should have and we've got to return to that. So a movement is, I think, beginning to
reevaluate a lot of these ideas that have produced this globalism and this transhumanism movement
which depopulation of the earth and all these other crazy ideas. Yeah, one thing Charles,
can I just mention the crown, the golden crown which they gave to Trump in South Korea
and the no-kings people absolutely don't understand it, you know, but essentially South
Korea wants to get as close as possible to Trump because they don't want to be communist. That's
right. That's right. Nicely the golden crown, I love it. All right, let's, good work Stephen,
got lots of hands up, lots of people to discuss matters as do I and I just want to tell you,
Jerome, that in the Murdoch press on the weekend there was a credible report that
Hummus has announced it's abandoning Gaza. So there you are, I'm just passing it on, don't need
to comment, but it was in the Murdoch press so it wasn't published likely, I wouldn't think. Okay,
Marv, then Julie, then Glenn, then Chuck and whoever else, on we go, Marv.
Hey, Jerome, we in Salem, Oregon, we have a very active chapter of the Democratic Socialists of
America and the first summer of the Likud's genocide program in Gaza, I attended two
demonstrations organized by this chapter and the first one had between 350 and 400. More than half
of that demonstration group were LGBTQ people and I've read that 20% of America's
population is connected to the LGBT, 20% of us are gay, I guess. So anyway, I'm sure you've
looked at this, what is the connection between the LGBTQ sympathy and the Democratic Socialists
of America? What the heck's going on there? Thank you. Well, they just hate the traditional
values, they hate that, you know, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So they both have, same with
the Hamas supporters, I find the Hamas supporters be very strong in the Democratic Socialist movement
and reach across into the LGBT movement and the universities, which are solidly pro-Hamas. In fact,
being a Jewish student on many of the Ivy League schools is a problem these days, they're harassed.
And so therefore, you know, the anti-Israel sentiment has never been higher, in my view,
since the end of World War II, there was always great sympathy for the creation of Israel in
relationship to the response to the Holocaust. But today, the viewing of Israel as a genocidal
nation, the viewing of Israel as aggressive or the territorially mad or, you know, the pressure on
Israel internationally has never been greater. United Nations is a solidly anti-Israel group.
The Palestinian movement, there really never was a Palestine. It was the British name for the British
protectorate, everybody who lived in Palestine, whether they were Jews or Arabs or whatever,
Christians were considered Palestinians. So therefore, what's been sorted out, I think,
is that the violent jihadist terrorist organizations committed to the destruction of
Israel as a Jewish state. That's what has to pass from the earth before we're going to, and that's
why I'm so much in favor of the Abraham Accords, on the hope that people will see a path towards
economic activity as a solution to many of these divisions, which I trace back to people like Obama
who actively flamed these fans of division. He did it with blacks. He did it with,
from the very first days he was in office with that incident with a professor who was locked out of
his house and the Boston police were apprehending him. They had that beer summit in the White House
because the police officer was actually very active in promoting racial relations in a positive
sense in the police department. So Obama's always been the source of a lot of these divisions
and Eric Holder along with him, that whole team that he had in place,
were still suffering a lot of the ideas that were fostered during the Obama years.
Okay. Thanks, Jerome. I just want to point out that those of us who oppose apartheid are not
Hamas supporters. I've opposed apartheid for 40 years. It has nothing to do with Hamas. Thank you.
Well, and I agree. I've opposed apartheid too for equally. I was in South Africa when Mandala was
released and was part of that whole group monitoring that situation. Those were important
steps to take. Now what's happening in South Africa again today is another issue. There's
much more there to be resolved. But apartheid certainly was abhorrent and had to be opposed.
We've now got apartheid here in Victoria, Jerome and Marv, on Friday, the 14th of October.
Jerome and Marv on Friday, the Victorian Parliament passed a law setting up a treaty
with the Aborigines. We now have apartheid and it's going to be a grift of moving money
to the Aboriginal game, which is all controlled by non-Aboriginals, of course. So apartheid is
being re-established, Marv, number one. Number two, Jerome, I point out to you and to everybody,
perhaps with the children's vaccine schedule of 76
antigens being pumped into children the first 18 years of their lives, who knows what's in that
combination that then leads to the destruction of natural sexuality and turns them into LGBTQI,
ABC, FUCK. Okay, so we don't know how that's being done, but what we do know is that the
globalist agenda and the depop agenda has been around, the eugenics movement has been around for
a long time. So a great way to depopulate is to have people unable to produce children. So the
horrors, Jerome, of the ability of people to understand values when they're so unhealthy from
this cocktail injection into their bodies, in my view, is a crucial element in what we have in
society. I agree and it goes along with the psychological conditioning that's been learned
since MKUltra and others that there have been great advances in psychological social control
and so globally we're getting a dumbed down population that is not capable of
the true critical thinking skills that previous generations were taught.
That's especially with our technological advances, instead of having these cell phones
and everything be great for illuminating and having open discussion, they become,
you know, these are our social monitoring, this is big government monitoring everything we do.
Yeah, and John Drozd, who's been on his presenters before, was here last week.
John wrote wonderfully about the removal of courses on logic and clear thinking
in the school system, both in Australia and America.
So John is another one that should, John should do a book too. John's one I would
support doing a book as well. I will tell him. Thank you.
All right. The last thing I want to say, Jerome, is I think this Likud party is on their way to
destroying the Israeli experiment and I don't see how they can be headed off at this juncture.
They're just destroying, they're destroying cultures in the mid-east. I mean, that psychopathic,
yeah, I think it's, I think it's, we're going to watch the end of the Israeli experiment.
Okay, thanks. Very good.
I'm not sure, the one thing about Israeli politics is it's so contentious
at all times that as soon as Likud looks like it's this strong, there'll be reaction against it.
And I think if Netanyahu does step down, which I think is getting to be time, that Likud will not
be as, it will moderate and Israeli politics will have it moderate. The Israeli people,
I believe, want peace and they do not want to alter the original, the cultures around them.
There's no attempt to say that they want to eliminate Islam, they want Islam to go through
a reformation. That's fundamentally the cause. So like all the other major religions, renounces
the ideas that infidels have to be killed. Christianity had to go through the same thing
and Islam will have to do it as well. But the point is that the cultures can remain strong
under the Abraham Accords because you'll still have, you know, the Saudis will be different than
the, you know, than the people in Jordan or Egypt, they'll all have their own cultures.
But the fundamental idea, it's got to be the renunciation of the idea that Israel is a Jewish
state has to be destroyed. That's the one idea that has to be agreed on.
Thanks, Marv. Good thought provoking questions and what we do here. We love those who have
different opinions to us. It's a great challenge of Christianity, you know, it's great. We're
fantastic at loving those who agree with us. The great challenge isn't it, Jerome,
and Marv is loving people who disagree with us. So that's the whole value of debate and discussion
is not it's to examine ideas. Yeah. Excellent. Julie, Julie is fighting a great fight, Jerome,
as you know, in the state of California or the fact that the Communist Republic of California.
It sure is tell you fighting the fight here for sure. And yeah, Marv, I tell you in Chico,
we have DSA. It's like the all of our liberals here are part of that communist organization and
go look up Stonewall Alliance. That's where they are downtown Chico here,
giving free monkey pock shots and free gift cards to get STD tested. So they're quite horrifying,
even though we've run most of them off the council. So but I digress. So what a way to
practice medicine. I know. Horrifying. So yeah, so and I, you know, I had all these juicy questions
for Hatfield. So I hope the man comes and apologizes to Dr. Frost. Are we getting back on?
But and I'm glad Dr. Corsi that you're here because I've been thinking about you with this
whole Charlie Kirk assassination. You know, when you reviewed your book, The Final Analysis,
with us, I don't know when that was, but everything about the JFK assassination was a lie,
like everything. And you pointed out so well in your book. And in fact, I sent that book to
my brother who's a high school teacher and said, dude, everything you're teaching your kids is a
lie. Maybe you ought to read this book. So now here we are. And they lied about, you know, JFK,
RFK, MLK. Now people are like calling this CJK. You're lying about this too. So, you know, are we
going to be here like 50 years from now and having Jerome Corsi grandchildren writing books going,
hey, all this stuff, you know, was a big old lie. This 20 year old kid did not shoot Charlie Kirk
with the 30-06. I mean, it's outrageous. All these lies being told to us by a lot of the head people
of the TPUSA as well. And I it's funny because I don't have a dog in this fight so much other than
I'm big on truth and transparency now. So I look at everything. I watch it all. And I've been watching
Candace Owens this past week. She's exposing a ton of truth. So I just encourage everybody to kind
of keep an open mind. But my question for you is, and then in Cash Patel, watching his hands,
director of PI, nope, sorry, no foreign interference. Let's just move on. Really? No,
we're not moving on. I don't want my grandchildren to be going, this is outrageous. So do you see a
lot of parallels with the Charlie Kirk and the JFK with all of this, you know, nonsense? And
do you see that we might get actual truth with Charlie Kirk's murder? Are we just going to
lock up this kid in jail, call it a day, and then go on and just be done with it? So thanks again
for being here. I really appreciate listening to you. Well, I mean, it's clear that the official
explanation of the Charlie Kirk assassination does not hold true. There's too many loopholes,
and there are too many parts that are not answered. Now, the kid assembled the white weapon and
disassembled the weapon. And this is a Mauser from World War II with a scope on it. That's a weapon
that would take a true expert to pull off that kind of a shot, and certainly would not be the
weapon of choice of a professional assassin who would have laser-guided, you know,
ballistics to be able to shoot from and would choose other weaponry. The whole thing doesn't
make a lot of sense. And the attempt to suppress questioning and investigation
doesn't make a lot of sense either. So, you know, right now the attempt to make Charlie Kirk into a
martyr and to forget about all these questions about who really did it and all the things that
show up in the videos that are not been answered. So I think it's going to be very hard to get the
truth of Charlie Kirk right now. But I'm not believing the official story.
Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you all. Oh, by the way, I was going to say, so Shasta is
hooking up Meredith and I so that Meredith can come on our Twitter space and do a promo on her
book. So thank you for Shasta Erickson. Thank you. Shasta and Meredith can come and speak to us again
if she likes. Is Shasta on the call? That's a good idea, Stephen. Get Meredith to talk about the book.
Great idea. Yeah, it's very important because people need to be told this over and over again
because it doesn't, it doesn't, they don't want to believe it. She's very good on it. She's very good
on it. And she's excellent. Yeah. And I think she's a victim herself. Yes, she is. She is.
And that's why she understands it so well. All right. So Julie, you know, the question of
Charlie Kirk, Jerome, you weren't here when we had Rob McCoy on here, but
Charlie was born on my birthday. So there you are. Okay. Like I'm a CK. All right.
So all the other way around, Charles, you know, you were born on his birthday. Maybe he was.
No, bullshit. I was born first. I got cramped, Stephen. Okay, let's move on. Let's move on.
Over to you, Glen. Hi, Jerome. Good seeing you again. Glen, how are you? I'm good. Mine's going
to be really quite precise. So you have a mountain of facts and other areas. I want to sort of
really focus on some that you and I have discussed and agree on. And that's that there is a evil elite
that is both in power and spiritually driven. That evil elite is a mix of
the Rockefellers, the Soros's led by George Soros and Bill Gates, the US deep state, you know,
all the prior presidents prior to Donald Trump, where Donald Trump is the real deal for not being
part of the deep state. And that, to some extent, lower level patsy set is the Democratic communist
party. And they're paid for rhinos. Now, if we if we look what they have done over several decades,
they they they they're not partial, they they buy out everybody. They never want to lose because
they've always got a bet down on something. And so wherever that is, they'll just double down and
double down and double down once they start to come into power. The Democratic Party is starting
to collapse. And so they have to be thinking of, gee, what are we going to do around the next wave
of things that are going on? And the movement by Charlie Kirk was that wave that that wave of gen
z's that, you know, had to live through the the the woke cycle, lived through not having a real high
school set of friends and activities. And now in college and somewhat limited, even as they started
college. So they they're ready to throw the book out and start over. And and Charlie was that
connection, both spiritually and with a simple set of ideas to to believe in. And and clearly,
the evil elite, Soros and the Rockefellers will put them at the top. They can't allow that to work.
And in the same way as as when the Canadian truckers initially started to have success. And
then even after that, the Canadian Canadian veterans, they took out their best agents.
They sent them in to penetrate those organizations, and then they tore them apart from the inside out.
And once they completed that with Canadians, they did the same thing to the U.S. trucker effort.
So I'm I'm deeply, deeply worried here that that they're doing this with the only success,
big new success story that we've had, and that is with Gen Z and Charlie Kirk effort, and that that
the the turning point organization is under attack and and potentially very vulnerable.
Vulnerable and one place for that vulnerability is with the kind of things that Tucker Carlson
has been bringing forward and trying to get so much of the U.S. population into believing that
the nation of Israel and Netanyahu are evil. And he's they aren't they're quite biblical.
And in fact, the combination of Christians and and and the Jewish faith and the state of Israel is
is so prominent in the Bible and in the discussion of the olive tree, where the
the Jewish side is the roots to the olive tree and the Christians are those that are grafted on.
And yes, there are parts of the question. Hold on, please. Excuse me. No, you've talked for five
minutes now. It's not I've said I've set it up. You're going to have to listen.
Well, we want the question. OK, so so Jerome, that the the issue with Tucker Carlson and
and the danger that he may be to the entire structure of turning point,
do you agree that that he's a problem and a risk around undoing so much of the strong elements of
that have happened with with that movement? I don't really understand why Tucker has
gone as extreme as he has on Israel. That to me is a surprise. And I agree with you. I think that
that Netanyahu has played a historical biblical role. I do think it's I think it may be time for
Netanyahu to retire. I'm getting some of the credible sources that I trust in Israel to
express to me the same idea that there is a sense that he's done his job.
And now it's time for new leadership in a new era. And I think that we're seeing that
with with the Abraham Accords being reject Kellogg and embrace the Abraham Accords,
I think is a solution and then develop the region, which can be done through a private capital.
I'm very interested in thinking a lot about how that can happen.
But the point is that I think that the turning point organization, you're right, was very, very
threatening to this New World Order movement. And the assassination of Charlie Cook, I think,
has backfired in that it has deepened the at least for now the impact of turning point USA
on college campuses. And the Hamas leadership is being exposed for what it is, which is essentially
a hate movement. So I think that the universities are one of the next things on the agenda to be
dealt with. And I believe that Donald Trump will begin looking at endowments being taxed,
he'll be again looking at cutting government funding of tuition loans, which Obama put into place.
But the point is, I think we're at a turning point in history where the destruction of the
Democratic Party is necessary in order to reject this globalism. But the evil is very intense,
as we discussed here, including like as Charles has mentioned with these new agendas with the
Aborigines. I mean, these people are not going to give up easy. And so therefore, we got to,
it's going to be a continuing battle. But it's one for the moment, I think we are winning.
And the Democratic Party is self-destructing. And I don't think that the this evil hate group
is going to win in the final analysis. I think God wins in the final analysis. But I do think
we're into a spiritual battle. And that spiritual battle has to be fought in spiritual terms.
Very small follow on. For the benefit of the US and the world, do you think that we would be better
off if Tucker Carlson shut off his microphone relative to Israel? Well, I think Tucker Carlson
ought to have a say and let him express his point of view. I don't I think I was disappointed to
see the Heritage Foundation not take a stronger position about Tucker. But I think Tucker is not
going to win the debate the way I think Tucker is hurting his own brand at the moment. And so
therefore, I would advise him to reevaluate his own position. But I don't think silencing him is
a solution either. Well, I was saying to that we pushed it on him that but that was self self
assessment of what he is doing. Yeah, recognizing the danger he's doing to all of us. I think if he
would reassess it, it would be very valuable for him to rethink this whole issue. Okay, thank you
very much. Thank you, Glenn. Hey, Chuck. Hi, Jerome, nice to meet you. I've never attended any of your
speeches or presentations before. And I'm, you know, I appreciate your perspective that the
Democratic Party is in some kind of collapse and the Republican Party will triumph and
wonderful things will be accomplished under President Trump. I'm not bullish like you are
on that. And but but like Glenn raised this issue of a globalist power elite, I certainly accept that.
And so I subscribe to the ideas of David Hughes. And he coined the term Omni War. And he frames
the situation as class war by the super powerful plutocratic elite, which in my view,
plays kabuki theater between the Democrats and Republicans to divide and conquer people and keep
us in a state of shock and awe off kilter as someone observed. So I think the big threat to
humankind is coming from the transhumanists, the technocracy, which are front for, again, this
powerful elite. So I guess what I'm, you know, my question to you is, and I'll say this, that
Catherine Austin Fitz is kind of subscribes to this devolution of power theory to and the empowerment
of the local areas, which means a democracy movement. Do you see, I think the only antidote
to the people that brought us 9-11 that killed JFK, the power behind the military industrial
complex are playing out today. And they've given us the COVID event to test compliance.
And that's all came down through Department of Defense. It's not just corporations doing it.
This is a complete control and possession by this powerful plutocracy. I can't see any other
way to respond than to counsel that there be an authentic real democracy movement of a mass
movement. And that means that people have to take agency in a civic, in a political sense.
And again, I'm not confident that Donald is going to be a great liberator. But those are my thoughts.
And do you have your faith in just return to traditional values and
a technocracy or are you against a technocracy? I mean, because that is the plan for Gaza,
apparently. Well, I think that first of all, the greater civic involvement is required. And the
left has taken over the school boards and the city councils and all the powers of position. Soros has
funded prosecutors who don't believe in prosecuting crimes. I mean, there's been a lot done to
undermine local and state and local control. Put it in the hands, especially in cities of this,
this leftist group which aligns itself with the globalists. But it's not the same as the globalists.
Globalists would ultimately destroy the woke left if the globalists got power the way they want it.
I don't believe Donald Trump is going to solve all problems. Donald Trump is mostly
important for setting out the themes that he is articulating, as I think great leadership has to do,
is articulating the issues so that people get it and get on the right side of issues. And that's,
I think, what he's trying to do. I'm not confident. The Republican Party is no solution either. The
Republican Party has massive corruption in it. And I've never been a Republican as such. I wanted
the MAGA movement because I have opposed globalism. And I believe we do need grassroots
involvement for a democracy movement, although people continue to use the word democracy.
And I'm kind of in agreement with the ancient Greeks. Democracy scares me as much as
totalitarianism does. I think that Aristotle's solution of a constitutional republic,
in which we are, which we are supposed to be, is the only real form of government that has any
chance of stability and with a strong middle class. That was Aristotle's solution. I've always agreed
with that. So again, I think we're going through a dark period of time, and it's especially
dangerous because of the technological advances we have, which empower the ability for massive
surveillance that was never before imaginable as possible. So the tools of totalitarianism are
certainly much more available than they ever were. And the question is, are we going to be able to
preserve individual liberties in this kind of a technological era? So I'm not relying upon Donald
Trump, but I am appreciating these articulating values that counter the control over the narrative
that the left has had since at least, you know, before World War I. Certainly with Woodrow Wilson,
the left started controlling the narrative in this country and tilting it more and more towards
Hegelianism and Marxism. And it hasn't stopped. Thank you, Jerome. Excellent thinking. And I think
it was someone in this meeting, Jerome, who introduced me to the simple statement that
democracy is the tyranny of the 51% over the 49%. Right. That's right. Nice idea. You know, it's
all right. On with thank you. Thank you, Chuck. Karen. Hello. Thank you. Jerome, you may have
covered your camera on by any chance or does it not work? No, I don't have it on. You want to
see me in my nightgown? It's Sunday. I don't do anything on Sunday. Okay. Anyhow, you may have
covered this, but I didn't hear all of your coverage on Mamdani. I come from Tennessee,
and US Representative Andy Ogles from Tennessee has been sounding the alarm about the fact that
Mamdani falsified his application for US citizenship. And he's written
a letter to AG Pam Bondi months ago. Nothing's been done about it. And he's kind of reigniting
the fire because of the election next week. You know, it's very obvious that he did falsify his
application for US citizenship. And I'm wondering why nobody is taking this seriously. I mean,
sitting back and waiting for him to try to stop ICE from taking immigrants. You know, I don't
understand why they're not actively. The man is not only a threat to New York City, he is a threat
to the United States. You know, New York City is the hub of the economy or economics in the United
States. So that, you know, I just don't understand why they're just not taking the hard stand
doing the investigation, taking away his US citizenship and deporting the man.
Well, that should be done. And again, the left has tried to protect all these people. Brennan
was yet resisting over the weekend, gave statements about how he had done nothing wrong,
and that he was very upset at being confronted with the intelligence assessments on Russian
collusion and how he manipulated those. I mean, the pressure is not to do anything when it comes
to investigating somebody like Mondami. But clearly the issue of his eligibility is going
to be taken more seriously if he does win. And, you know, I pressed the issue of eligibility with
Obama and found the birth certificate in Hawaii from which has it been copied.
We then, the Sheriff Arpaio validated through forensic work that Obama's birth certificate was
a forgery. So again, you know, this is not going to go away. And I think right at the moment,
there's a hope that both in New York and New Jersey that we might see Republican wins that would
be historic, both in the governor race in New Jersey and in the mayoral race in New York.
Cuomo seems to be gaining ground. But again, these issues are not going to go away if Mondami
wins. They're going to intensify because the pressure to remove him is going to intensify
the more he does take steps to enact what he's threatened to do, which will have
potential criminal consequences. And the issue of eligibility is not going to go away.
I know Governor Hochul just said, I think it was Friday, that she would not allow him to
increase taxes on the rich. Of course, I don't trust her either. But she was asked the question
about Mondami's proposal of I think a 2% tax on the rich. And she said that she would never
approve that. And the thing with Obama, I was very, very involved myself with the birth certificate
and all that. And one of the things that people forget is a natural born citizenship in the days
of our founders was transferred from father to children. This is written in the law of nations.
It's very clear that natural born citizenship is transferred from the father and to the children.
It doesn't matter where you're born. If your father is an American citizen, like John McCain,
who was born in Panama, if your father is an American citizen, you are a natural born citizen
by the law of God. And I think if we would have approached it from that aspect, rather than trying
to prove where the man was born, which really doesn't make any difference. But, you know,
people need to understand the real true original meaning of natural born citizen, not citizen,
because that's different. And anybody else besides president or vice president can hold office as
long as they are a citizen. But to be vice president or president, you must be a natural
born citizen. And if again, if you do the research on what was believed to be a natural born citizen,
when our documents that our founding fathers actually referred to the law of nations,
when they were writing our founding documents, because the law of the law of nations was written
in natural law. So, you know, that's the that my the group I worked with, we were going from the
natural born citizen issue, because his father, well, the man he says was his father, because
we're not real sure that he really was his father, was a British subject when when Obama was born.
Same thing with Harris, neither one of her parents were natural were citizens, her father still to
this day, is not a US citizen. Marco Rubio, both of his parents were Cuban when he was born here in
the United States. Nikki Haley, both of her parents were Indian citizens when she was born here in the
United States. So, you know, we have a lot of bad.
Karen, Karen, you raise good elements for Jerome to think about. And
Jerome, Karen has presented some very interesting, her background is very interesting and useful.
And Karen, you know, I think, Jerome, Karen could be a wonderful source of good research that she's
done over a long time.
I agree with you. And I think also the issue of natural born citizenship is going to get contested in the
interpretation of the 14th Amendment, that if you're born here, you're natural, you're a citizen.
And that that was not the original meaning of the 14th Amendment.
That was that was the 1413 13th, 14th and 15th Amendment were what they call the slave amendments.
And it was to address citizenship of the slaves who were not considered slaves.
If you read, there is a thing called the Senate Report of 1866, which was a Senate hearing on the 14th
Amendment two years before the 14th Amendment was ratified, ratified under oppression, by the way.
And it clearly says in there to be a citizen, your parents have to be citizens.
Your parents have to be citizens. And it also said that when they talk about the jurisdiction,
subject to the jurisdiction thereof, children of foreign parents cannot be subject to,
totally subject to the jurisdiction thereof.
And that was also a part of being a citizen that people don't talk about. Oh, you're born here,
you're a citizen, but they forget about the second part that says and subject to the jurisdiction
thereof. So foreign parents are partially subject to the jurisdiction thereof. They can't murder
people. They can't, you know, but they are not, they don't have a total allegiance to the United
States until they become American citizens. Well, the exception that's always been recognized on the
14th Amendment is if you're a child of a diplomat, born in the United States, you're not, by definition,
of being born here an American citizen on the very basis that you point out. Right. And it's
also brought up in that Senate hearing of 1866. It's not really, if anybody hasn't read it,
you go to look it up, go to the reconstruction, the piece that talks about reconstruction,
and it's a mind blower. It's a mind blower. It blows holes in so many lies that people have
been told about the 14th Amendment, and they go into great detail and debate on what every piece
of the 14th Amendment means. Well, the 14th Amendment is one of the more controversial
and more difficult to understand because it requires state action. In other words,
there has to be a state action to deny somebody rights. And so therefore, that's complicated.
And then the provision about citizenship, you know, is you're right, they forget to take into
consideration the clause about subject of the jurisdiction thereof. Okay, it was, those
amendments that were passed coming out of slavery had to be viewed in the context that the slaves
were taken from their homes and were here, and the children were born here, but the children,
then the slaves were made to be citizens, then the children became citizens. And that was just,
that was in the context of a great crime of slavery. But to universalize it, as they've
attempted to, to anybody being born here is automatically a citizen is way beyond the
intent of the statute, of the amendment. Right, well, because we have lawyers and
election of elected people that feel that the Constitution is a living document and it changes
with the times. It is not a living document. The only way to change the original intent of the
Constitution is through the amendment process. You just can't change it to suit your purpose or your
agenda or the times. And this is what we've lost, you know, even, okay, I don't want to go on. I
know there are other people. I appreciate the time and thank you very much, Jerome.
– Aaron, the communist in New York who's seeking election as the mayor, what is it exactly that he
falsified in his citizenship application and is it disputed by anybody?
– He said that he had no ties to communist or blah, blah, blah organizations and they can prove
that he did. He came here when he was seven years old and he did not, he did not become a citizen,
I don't know, six, seven, eight years ago. It hasn't been that long. Isn't it strange that he
was here all this time and only became a U.S. citizen? And I believe he became a U.S. citizen
as part of the plan to destroy the United States. But anyhow, they said that he was not affiliated
with any communist organizations or what other organizations they mention in there. And he said
that he was not and they have proof that he was. – So which communist organizations was the
member of or connected to? – Well, I know that he is part of the, I think, the DSA, the Democrat,
Socialist, I don't know. There's, he's affiliated with a lot of different groups.
– All right, let's move on. But points well made, Karen. And as I said, Jerome, Karen has got some
wonderful information if you need it. All right, we're getting, you're okay with another 27
minutes till we finish it at the two and a half hour mark. Jerome, you're doing a great job.
– Sure, we can go on to, we can go another 27 minutes. – 27 minutes, right. So Jim.
– Hey, Jerome. Hey, thanks very much for the presentation. I really appreciate it. The issue of
who are the socialists or communist, socialists, people who take over power,
are you familiar with the Venona papers or Venona decrypts? – Yes.
– And how does that play into the CIA paper that cites the difference between Ashkenazi and Sephardic?
Have you seen that paper that says the Ashkenazi or Khazarians are, identifies them as
the socialist party that seeming to be taking the power from the Sephardic? What are your thoughts on
the genetic predisposition for people to be socialist and take over power that way?
– Well, I haven't looked at that one specifically. That's new to me. But the –
– Okay, I'm going to put it in the chat. And I'd like to take a look at that.
– The Venona papers were clearly important because they exposed how many in the, you know,
in the, you know, Roosevelt era were, the FDR era, were communists, you know, including some of the
very prominent ones supporting the United Nations and the various movements that were, you know,
communists right within the White House. – Right.
– Dexter White and Harry Hopkins and –
– Algar Hitt.
– Algar Hitt. Algar Hitt. Algar Hitt is probably the major, the major expose.
– Who founded the United Nations. He is the number two who founded the United Nations. It looks like the United Nations is actually a socialist plot.
– Yeah, well, I met Algar Hitt and had discussions with him about it. And he insisted, you know,
he was lying all along and he insisted that he was innocent. But his code names and others,
other information about him is clearly revealed in the Venona papers. There's no doubt about it.
– Yes. And I encourage people to look at even the Venona project or the Venona decrypts
in Wikipedia and it has an outline of it. But this tie to the, the, the, the Kisarians or,
or people who, for instance, in the Venona papers, they identified the Rosenbergs
who were, who were selling secrets and, and others, including the guy who was recently freed
from, from prison for taking secrets from the US Navy and selling them to China.
And, and so it seems like there's a, there's a deep tie with the socialists and even the Chinese.
And that may be, have you explored those ties?
– Not specifically. I mean, I certainly studied the papers and know about the Rosenbergs
and have studied them and, but the other ties, no, I have not looked at.
– And, and what do you think about, what do you think about the issue of, of the,
the people who are running the staff of our people in command that may be having ties to these,
these socialists? For instance, the guy who, the guy who recently, the second in command at
Turning Point, the second in command at, in the FBI, like many of these, like for instance,
Erica Kirk, her history seems to be a little muddied. Where she was born.
– Come on, Jim, come on, we're going, that 27 rabbit holes here.
– Sorry about that. So I guess, thanks very much for,
thanks very much for your presentation. I'll send you that CIA paper again.
– Okay, thank you.
– Appreciate it.
– Thank you, Jim. All right, we're going to have Glenn quickly, then Tom, then Stephen,
and we're finishing on time. Thank you, Jim. Glenn.
– Hi, Jerome. Something you brought up after I spoke before. You mentioned the change,
the likely change of administration to a Republican administration in New Jersey.
And if that does come to pass following the Tuesday's election,
I was wondering, relative to that, and Thomas Matthew Crooks, the shooter, the attempted assassin
of President Trump, Governor Murphy in New Jersey has been covering up and sealed from view a
variety of Matthew Thomas Crooks court records that are inside of New Jersey. And if we switch
to a Republican governor, suddenly those records may come out and give us a lot more information
around the connection to the true sponsors of Matthew Thomas Crooks.
– That would be, I would hope that that would happen.
– Good point, Glenn. And Jerome, you didn't mention, I meant to say it,
in that context that Andrew Paquette, I thought he told us that the voter roles, in fact,
in the New York mayoral race are also problematic.
– Yes. Yeah, the potential to steal the election in New York and New Jersey
is there for the Democrats. And I plan to watch it very carefully.
– Okay. All right. Thank you. Thank you for that. Now, before we go to Tom,
I want to share something that just came in on my email. You might be interested in this,
everyone, in the context of the discussion that we've been having.
John Lee does some terrific stuff. So here we have smearing and threatening Tucker Carlson will
generate anti-Semitism instead of quelling it. So there you are, just relevant to what we've been
talking about. Tom. – Sorry. Yeah, thank you. I appreciate, you know, your politeness and decorum
and your position on the Ukraine and the work that you've done to publish people that have been
here. I'm going to make sure I don't talk too much, so I'm timing myself here. Let's see.
So I have been following some what I consider sort of right-wing. There's a program on the
Constitution, and I've been trying to learn from it. And I'm a little concerned about some of the
stuff that Trump is doing. Also, in light of that, I heard Neil Oliver talking about the
Magna Carta and some of the predecessor documents 100 years before that. And to your point about
democracy, he was highlighting a mechanism that I think we underappreciate, which is,
doesn't have anything to do with democracy, really. It's called the jury trial. And in a
jury trial, it only takes one person to hang the jury from what I understand.
So that, I think, is a good talking point. And I think the right to trial by jury is really important.
Chuck was mentioning that direct democracy, you know, the high-techs point of view, some people
are actually thinking that we could have ordinary citizens voting several times a month, you know,
nationwide. So there's some radical ideas out there. I wanted to, I'm hitting a lot of little
points here. I'm looking at the time here. Okay. The DSA, I've had experience, I've gone to several
meetings. I, you know, I'm curious about everything. My experience is there's a
several different Marxism groups that are in there, and they're all kind of, they're not exactly
fighting, but they're kind of talking amongst themselves. And that they're all very well-meaning
people. I don't, in where I am in the Midwest, there's a strong history of, I think,
sewer socialism, kind of benign positive socialism, egalitarian focus, you know, very well intentioned.
So this idea that they're advocating violence is surprising to me. So I'm kind of running out of
time here. I wanted to hit on this one point, and I am not an expert in this area, but
I want to just mention that Stephen Miller, a new name for me, probably not for other people,
but I heard John Helmer, who was an advisor in the Carter administration, like 47 years ago,
he looked at Carter's decision-making style. He coached him. He said Carter could read 300 pages
in several days, do all kinds of analysis. Trump refuses to get an intelligence briefing.
Long story short, his view is that Trump is simply being controlled, and that Stephen Miller is one
of the controllers. I'm kind of out of time, but I'm concerned about the constitutionality of what
Trump is doing with ICE. You're mentioning military intervention and elections. I'd like to see us
follow the constitution, and I'm concerned about Venezuela too, in light of what I just said.
So any comments? Great. Thank you. Well, I mean, I've known Stephen Miller for a long time,
and he's got very strong opinions, and he's influential. And Trump listens,
but Trump listens to many different people, and when he doesn't want the intelligence briefings,
he's just tired of being lied to and listening to all the manipulation that goes on through those
intelligence briefings. Again, I don't think that Trump is necessarily an end-all, be-all solution.
What he's doing is positive, but it's beginning to reverse a lot of decades that we've had of
socialism being in its benign form to begin with, but then in its really negative and destructive
forms as it currently exists. It's malware. Every place it's appeared, it starts out sounding like
it's still going to do a lot of good, and it ends up killing millions of people, and ends up in
totalitarianism. So again, the solutions that are recommended by socialism don't address the problems
that socialism is concerned about, which are real problems, but you're not going to get equality
through DEI. You're going to get more equal participation by education of children who are
raising families across races and across social conditions, and that's fundamental to human nature.
So the solutions that these ideologies present tend ultimately to end in violence and control,
whereas fundamentally, our constitution, as I see it as a republic, not as a democracy, was that free
speech was preserved as fundamental so there didn't become a consensus on any particular
ideology that they could all be debated, and that's I think the only solution in human events is to
constantly subject these things to debate and examination, because we're all prone to go the
wrong way and to be deluded many times, and what we're learning about all the lies the government
has told, I think it's fundamental to our awakening of we put too much trust in the power of government,
not enough trust in the self-governance that our founding fathers wanted us to have. So I'm not sure
I've addressed all your questions, but I think I've addressed some of them. Thank you, Jerome. Thank
you, Tom. All right, we'll go to Stephen. Before we do, I just want all of you to know that in
Melbourne right now it's Monday, Jerome, so as usual the Australians are way ahead of the Americans,
and secondly that tomorrow is the first Tuesday of November, which is presidential election time,
and mayoral race voting and midterms, blah blah, but the first Tuesday of the month since
1863 or thereabouts has been the running of the Melbourne Cup, and there is a public holiday in
Melbourne to honour this great race tomorrow and Saturday, which was the start of the spring racing
carnival for a week, beautiful sunshine, magnificent day, 23 degrees Celsius, and right now the day
before the Cup it's pissing rain and there's going to be a very wet track and hopefully the
rain will clear by the time of the race, but it's a big deal for those of you who love horse racing.
Well, I've actually attended the Melbourne Cup once. I was there. I got to participate in it
once years ago. Wonderful, wonderful. Yes. It's a big deal. And I was staying at that time at the
union club in Sydney, and I went over to Melbourne and went to the Cup. Brilliant decision.
Yes, it was. All right, Stephen, last couple of questions. We've got 10 or 12 minutes to go.
Last questions for you and then we'll finish up. And those who have got the time go over
to the telegram video meeting. Stephen? Oh, sorry, Charles.
By the way, while you're thinking, Stephen, I've got one other question I meant to ask Jerome,
and I'm very concerned that Robert Prevost, currently Pope Leo XIV, is also a fan of
Pope Francis's No National Borders strategy. Could you comment on that while Stephen's?
Yes, he's also on the LGBT agenda. He's just Francis Light. He's agreed with the whole agenda.
They put him in there so he wouldn't be so confrontational. But he is 100% on the agenda.
He had LGBT with a rainbow cross come in and do a celebration in St. Peter's Cathedral.
Yeah. Okay. So it's good to know everybody, Francis Light, and I'm opposed to, therefore,
the Pope Leo agenda. Stephen, over to you. Yeah, sorry, Charles. I just went to make a
cup of coffee. I thought Tom would be a bit longer than he was. So.
Oh, Tom's been very disciplined. Well done, Tom.
Ah, good. Yeah. So, Jerome, I think there are many things I could ask you about, but I think
one thing that I think that's important. And so Rob McCoy was our guest recently. I was
very interested. I didn't really know Charlie Kirk's work when he was alive,
but obviously his death brought it to my attention. I've been kind of following it and
I can see why they would be afraid of him. So, but Rob McCoy, he's very modest. He's,
you know, he's referred to by Charlie Kirk as his pastor. And he wouldn't shift that,
um, apparently. So, but it seems that the pastor, Rob McCoy, his, he's very modest,
but he does admit he doesn't contradict, shall we say, if I suggest to him that he was the one
who came up with the genius of connecting spirituality, if you like, through God and
religion, you know, Christian values with politics. And it's, so I just find it amazing that
no one else in the world had understood that that was important. So in the UK, for example,
you wouldn't go to church because you can't see a single leader in the church who you'd want to
listen to in a sermon and certainly not the Archbishop of Canterbury. So, um, so these people
are kind of useful idiots in the sense that they seem to have been put in positions of power in the
church to kind of take them away from this, their humanity, if you like, their Christian values,
their moral compass, and essentially destroy their souls. And the church doesn't seem to have any
leaders who understood this, but Charlie Kirk did understand that, it seems. But he, he was actually,
it was actually suggested to Charlie Kirk by Rob McCoy that he needed to talk about the politics,
not just about, you know, God and the church. And so, um, I wonder whether you've got any comments
on that, Jerome? Well, yes, you're correct that, I mean, McCoy was a big influence to get Charlie
Kirk to understand that it's important from the pulpit to talk about politics, the issues of politics.
It's crazy when you think of it that nobody else had come up with this, that you can't just talk
about spirituality and God, and if you don't point out why it's important in the context of what
people are living through at the time. Yeah, there's, there are others in the, um, other pastors who are
on the same theme. It is, it has become a, a much more debated issue in the last 10 years, and
the advocacy for the separation of church and state, meaning you can't talk about politics,
that idea is under challenge, severe challenge. And so there are ministries that are promoting,
you know, the black robe ministry, which admires the American Revolutionary War pastors who
had their uniforms on underneath their priestly robes, and they would take their robes off after
a sermon and go out and fight a battle. So, you know, the, the whole idea that, you know,
the leave unto Caesar, the things that are Caesar's, well, that does not mean that
Christ, for instance, in his ministry was actively talking about many political issues,
and his opposition to the Sanhedrin and others were clearly political.
So the separation has been artificial to... Well, or has it been actually created?
Yes. They've deliberately taken the churches away from the people. That's the whole point of the
beginning in the, you know, 1940s and reading Jefferson's letter about separation of church
and state incorrectly from what Jefferson meant it to be. And to say that, you know, the realm of,
the public realm should have no presence of God whatsoever would be a foreign idea to our founders.
And that has been intentionally contrived, I believe. I wrote a book on that called Bad
Samaritans, which was intentionally designed in order to take God out of schools, out of families,
out of morality, out of politics. And that's, that's, that's a serious mistake.
Oh, absolutely. It's a huge mistake. So it's only recently that I've understood how important that
was and, and how, I mean, maybe in America it's slightly different, you know, in the Southern
States in particular, but, but I'm even there, you know, I've watched some services online
and there's no mention of politics. They think... Also it's reinforced by the tax-exempt status
for churches. In other words, they're always threatening a church that's too political,
is going to lose its tax-exempt status. So a lot of the ministry are chilled from raising issues.
And if they have a congregation that's going to be offended in any way. So again...
Wasn't that the strength of Turning Point? Wasn't that why they made such progress?
Because actually they were making the church relevant to the solutions, to the evil.
And he was willing to debate it with people. He was willing to let them
engage in a debate in which he confronted their ideas. And so that was also the, I mean,
the two things about Charlie Kirk that distinguished him were one is he, his faith was
political. And number two, that he wanted to debate those who disagreed with him rather than
just dismiss them. Because he believed that he could undermine their ideas by exposing the lies
and the things that don't work and expose the underlying agenda. And he was very effective at
Oh, he was exceptionally good at that. I don't think I've ever seen anybody able to converse
with people who are completely on the opposite end of the... and remain kind of reasonable.
He remained civil. He remained patient. He remained polite. We did it exactly the right way.
I don't think I'd be able to do that, Jerome. Would you?
I could, but it would be, it'd have to be very disciplined.
You'd have to go into it.
Can you love your enemy? You know, Trump says he can't. Who was it he said, oh, he said that
Charlie Kirk could.
The sense of loving your enemies comes from realization that fighting them makes you stronger.
They're really not to your detriment. They're to your advantage to cope with them.
Absolutely. Yeah. If you don't let them kill you.
If you don't let them, if they don't kill you, they make you stronger.
Exactly. Exactly. And they make you a lot stronger as well.
I've certainly experienced that myself.
Me too. Anyway, Jerome, thank you so much for coming to talk to us.
You're a real sage and we appreciate you.
My pleasure.
Always a great pleasure and honor to be with you. So thank you.
Everybody show your cameras and give Jerome a round of applause.
Excellent job.
Great.
Thank you.
You're actually improving with time, Jerome.
Getting older, Stephen.
Thank you, Stephen.
All right, everybody. Well done.
Thank you.
God bless. Bye bye.
Go over to the Tom Rodman group. We'll finish this recording and we'll see you next time.
Thanks, Stephen.
And thank you for helping us out tonight, Jerome.
Oh, just real quick, guys, I found a link.
It's on the kingship of Christ and Catholic social teaching to try and help clarify
how that's different from this concept of separation of church and state.
But it all has to go back to acknowledging that Jesus Christ is King of all creation.
So I'll just leave it there. You guys can read it and absorb it.
And also don't forget, Juliet Engel has a YouTube video.
It's in the chat with several other victims and survivors of the human trafficking that
she was subjected to. And that's going to be in about 15, maybe 14 hours from now.
So I put the link again in here as well for you guys.
Thanks, Harriet.
All right, Daria, did you like McCoy's presentation?
I haven't gone through it all yet because I was uncomfortable with his background,
especially after hearing some of the reporting that Candace Owens did.
And apparently she's actually coined this term Operation Mockingpastor.
So you really don't know who is weaponizing the pulpit for either a political or globalist agenda.
And sometimes it's a little more blatant, like with the leftists and the stuff that Pope Leo is
doing. And I think what somebody said just not long ago here was about the fact that,
and it doesn't have to do with tax exempt status for the pope as much as how much money is he
needing to get pulled in from globalist organizations?
Come on, come on. That's a whole wonderful, that's a whole topic.
It's a two and a half hour conversation.
Anyway, that's as far as that goes. Yeah, that's sorry. I hope I answered your question,
but yeah, I'm not very comfortable with weaponizing the pulpit.
All right.
Thank you, everybody.
But Rob McCoy did achieve one thing. He got Charlie Kirk thinking about politics in the
context of the spirituality and the knowledge of, yeah, and that was very important.
And again, and Charlie put it in the context of the social kingship of Christ the King,
and that's really where it goes back to. And when leaders were in medieval times, let's say,
they were subject, all the kings and royals were subject to the pope.
Come on, come on, come on. Stop, we're leaving. Go on and talk with Tom Rodman on the video
telegram meeting. We're stopping this meeting. Lovely to have you all.
Lots of love on All Souls Day. Yesterday was All Saints Day. Thank you, everybody.
Thanks, everybody. Bye bye.