Hello everybody and welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and today's
discussion this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost over three years ago with a desire to
pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.
Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower
and activist.
His medical specialty is radiology.
I'm Charles Covets, the moderator of this group.
I'm Australasia's passion provocateur.
We love passionate people in these meetings and we remember Rainer Fulmick right now who's
in jail in Germany undergoing an outrageous show trial by the German government and a
corrupt court system.
Please share the plight of what Rainer is going through.
It's somewhat like Julian Assange and shining a light on outrage is one of the key ways
to stop outrageous corrupt government behaviour.
I've practiced law for 20 years before changing career 31 years ago and over the last 13 years
I've helped parents and lawyers to strategise remedies for vaccine damage and damage from
bad medical advice.
I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
We comprise lots of professions here and with them all around the world.
Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
Many of us proudly say yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers and that stance has been reinforced
by the alleged godfather of vaccines, Dr Stanley Plotkin, admitting that no vaccine
for children and indeed no vaccine ever has been properly tested in history for safety
and efficacy.
If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat
and where you're from.
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a book put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you.
Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that the medical science
battle is one of only 12 battle fronts of this latest world war.
Attacks on doctors is part of that medical science battle front and there's no time
We're some four years into a seven year war, I assess so.
Gird your loins everybody and get as healthy as you can to fight the fight that we need
to fight.
Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never settled.
Some of us believe that viruses exist, some of us believe that viruses are a hoax and
some of us are on the fence and most of us consider having that debate deflects us from
other more relevant battle fronts of this World War III.
This meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time Tom Rodman
runs a video telegram meeting.
Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.
We will listen to our guest presenter Dr Michael Hwang for as long as Michael wishes
to speak and then we have Q&A.
I will start with his four minute video that he took that can't be seen in some places
So we'll show that first before Michael starts.
Stephen Frost by long established tradition asks the first questions for 15 minutes.
There's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating.
Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms and those
in the UK are now seeing that ever more clearly that if you say something that the government
approves or say something that the government disapproves they will charge you, arrest you.
This is 1984 writ large obviously.
If you're offended by anything be offended.
We're lovingly not interested.
We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another
and we reject the triggering industry.
Don't say something that may trigger someone.
We come with an attitude and perspective of love not fear.
Fear is the opposite of love.
Fear squashes you and enslaves you.
Love on the other hand expands you and frees you.
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details into the chat the meeting is recorded and is uploaded onto the Rumble channel and
now welcome to Dr Michael Wang our guest presenter and Sue Frost is going to introduce him and
then I will show his four minute video and then Michael will start and thank you Stephen
Frost again for creating this group and for organizing Michael to speak to us today and
also to Shasta for organizing Michael.
So Sue give us an intro to Michael you are a patient you were a patient of his is that
correct?
That's correct.
Well first I want to thank Dr Stephen Frost and Charles and Shasta for the honor of introducing
Dr Michael Wong.
Dr Michael Wong is a family practice physician in Roseville California and he's been serving
the greater Sacramento area since 2004.
He graduated from UCLA majoring in biochemistry and then St. George School of Medicine.
Michael conducted cardiovascular research at Stanford University with various clinical
rotations throughout the US and England.
He obtained his medical degree in 2001 and completed a medical internship at Indiana
University and did his residency at UC Davis in family practice.
At UC Davis he was selected as a house staff president to help lead teams of physicians
through their medical training.
During the first quarter 2020 Dr. Wong became alarmed by the rapid spread of COVID-19 misinformation
and the dismissal of evidence-based medical practice with rapid adoption of baseless mandates
rooted by fear and ignorance.
To quote Dr. Wong, I kept my clinic open and treated numerous patients that were given
up by their physicians and denied basic medical care.
This resulted in successful treatment of over 4,000 COVID-19 patients.
I also protected thousands of nurses, firefighters, frontline workers, students and hardworking
Americans from harmful masks and COVID-19 vaccine mandates.
I met Dr. Wong in 2020 when I saw him in a heated TV interview that was highlighting
him and his medical practice and the controversial mask and vaccine exemptions that he was using
in the treatment of some of his patients.
The media swooped in on him.
I'm a former RN and a current Sacramento County supervisor.
At that time I had whistleblower nurses reaching out to me for help early on and I had, and
I, those nurses could see there was something terribly wrong and they didn't want to get
the shot, but they also didn't want to lose their job.
People were desperate for help and not just for exemptions.
They were terrified of COVID-19 death and their doctors were telling them to go home
and come back if they were short of breath or had exacerbated symptoms.
Dr. Wong didn't turn down one cry for help.
He and his dedicated assistant Ashley Matsudo were working extremely long days and weekends.
People were coming from all over, some from out of the country to receive help from Dr.
Wong.
He was ultimately treating even extreme vaccine injuries as well.
During that same time many of us became activists.
Many on this call were there with me and Dr. Wong.
We were trying to break through the censorship and let people know their treatments.
Dr. Wong was willing to speak at our events, our protests, our gatherings in many of the
California counties trying to tell people don't be afraid, there are treatments.
He came on multiple occasions to give public comment at my board, the Sacramento County
Board of Supervisors and he, at which time he was, we were basically ghosted.
It's as though we weren't even talking.
And he launched a campaign bid and during all this he even launched a campaign bid to
become a California state senator.
He didn't leave any stone unturned in his battle for his patients and his community.
Dr. Wong's practice was closed on July 1, 2023 due to pressure from the California Medical
Board and is currently, and he is currently fighting various accusations from the Medical
Board for providing masks and COVID-19 vaccine exemptions.
It's because of Dr. Wong and many of you other physicians and professionals on this call
that we know now and understand how Western medicine is captured by policy makers and
large corporate interests.
Michael, you're an old friend to the medical doctors for COVID ethics and there are many
physicians and professionals here with similar tragic stories like yours.
We all want to thank you for coming on the call to give us an update on what's going
on in your life and at this time please everyone join me in welcoming Dr. Michael Wong.
Yeah, thank you Sue and Michael Wong for doing the right thing.
It's just great to hear.
I just tell you something that's just happened now.
I don't want to take attention from Dr. Wong, but when I answered the door and it was Tesco,
the woke supermarket from whom, well, I'm going to change that.
We buy food and so the lady, it's never a lady normally, but it was a lady this time
and I said you can come in.
I noticed she had a black mask on and she said, oh, I can't come in.
And I said, I've had enough of this.
I really have had enough of this nonsense.
You've been psychologically tortured by your own government.
I think, you know, it's just so in your face now, these people going around in masks, you
know, there aren't many, but one of them was at my door now and it really triggered me.
I don't know whether anybody can explain why it triggers me so much.
I hated to see masks in 2020 and 2021 and I just let fly.
I said, you've been psychologically tortured by your own government.
And I later said there was no Covid-19 and there was no pandemic and this is a military
grade psychological operation.
I realized this wasn't the best way to win her over, but I just wanted to lash out at
this nonsense. And I said, please tell your manager that you are not to come here with
a mask ever again. You're very welcome without a mask.
But with a mask, you're not welcome and nobody from Tesco is welcome either.
Tesco is the problem and corporations and companies like this.
And we need to tell them anyway.
Sorry about that.
Thank you, Stephen. All right.
We will share the screen and the four minute video that you can't see in the UK.
You see that, Michael?
Yeah.
I will not ask any government agency for licensure because they are not to be trusted.
This is very somber and sad.
But am I proud to have done what I did in the past three years?
Hell yeah.
If I knew that my office will look like this in three years and you tell me and show me
this video and say, hey, see that family right there?
They need your help.
If you were to see them, this is what your parties will look like.
What would you do?
I would do exactly the same thing I did in the past three years because I'm proud of it.
I'm here to defend my liberty, my freedom, my patients, medical autonomy.
I refuse to bow down to tyranny.
I refuse to bow down to threat and intimidation.
This chapter ends and now the chapter will begin.
And don't know if I ever practice medicine again.
If I do, you'll be different.
All right, buddy.
Stay strong.
Live long and prosper.
Michael, are you talking?
No, you're not muted.
Okay.
So thank you for sharing that video and appreciate the invite everybody.
And thanks Sue Frost for introducing me.
And my name is Michael Huang.
And I'd like to share with you my experience in the past four years with my practice for
as far as the COVID restriction goes.
And since then a lot has happened and there's a lot of new development I have to
share that with you and also my thought on how every one of us can protect ourself
and our family and our community from all the harms that's coming our way.
So going back to 2019, I was practicing family practice in the Northern California,
near Sacramento area at Roseville, California.
I had a private practice seeing anywhere between 15, 20 patients a day.
Just delivering primary care.
And one thing I noticed every year that I practice is right around late fall into the
winter and I will see a new string of viral illness coming along.
Just like any other year.
In 2019, I noticed that something was a little bit different.
And I overheard that there was some sort of strange or typical pneumonia happening in
China.
And I have a lot of patients that travel all across the US and also internationally for
business.
And they will come back with some sort of atypical viral illness or pneumonia.
So I start treating them.
In 2019, I start to see some of my patients will come in with presentation of cough, fever
and whining of their lungs.
So when we do a chest x-ray, I'm like, OK, you know, it's I think it may be a bad one.
So I'll treat them accordingly and everyone recover very quickly.
Just standard practice.
And when Covid came to the scene in early 2020, I started to see across the globe,
various governments and various entities will do some sort of strange measure in
requiring different type of things to reduce, quote unquote, reduce spread on the virus.
In March 2020, the California governor Gavin Newsom announced that we're going to
basically lock down and close the state, close all sorts of business as we are going to
stay home. And I knew that was the wrong thing to do because I knew how to manage this
virus. And also through a lot of different reporting examples that this viral illness
really affect people that are older, people with several comorbidities and mostly the
working age population, the young people are not affected that much.
So when Gavin News announced that we're going to close down the state, I told my staff,
Hey, America have a lot of enemies, both foreign and domestic.
And our enemies has brought us down to our knees without firing a shot.
And I'll never forget saying that.
And that's when the chaos started was back in when we first closed down the state.
And slowly but surely, I started seeing few COVID patients coming in and I would treat
them accordingly. And when the restriction becomes more stringent, that you have to wear
a mask. And when the vaccine rolled out, that everybody needs to get a shot.
And I start question, why do we need to wear a mask? Why do we need to get a shot? How
can nobody talk about, hey, you know, why don't we improve our health to prevent infection,
lose weight, stop eating processed food, stop drinking soda, go on exercise.
Nobody promote that. But just one solution or two solutions, lock down shelter in place,
mask and getting the shots. And I knew that these protocols, these recommendations are not
accurate. So I did not listen to that. I treated my patients, my population according to what I see
to be the right thing to do, still promote healthy living.
Mass is important when I do surgery, and I have operating room and I will use mask.
Mass is very important when I see people come in with tuberculosis.
And it makes sense if you have a seasonal allergy. So mass is important for a certain type of things,
but not for viral illness, which we know for 30 plus years. And that's when I start to see
people coming in slowly. My patient that knows me knows how I practice, asking for exemption for
face masks for their kids to go to school. And I thought that was a very strange requirement for
kids that are not at risk for this virus to wear something that does not work.
So I say, hey, no problem. I can provide some mass exemption for you guys. And literally within
three days, my office was flooded with calls. Some days will be more than 500 calls, asking
whether we can schedule appointment to see other kids that are not my regular patients
for mass exemptions. So I said, fine, that's okay. And it got to a point where my office was
inundated with some days, literally more than 300 kids coming in to see me for mask exemptions.
And one thing that's really sad I observe is more than 80% of the little boys I've seen
for mass exemption suffers from some sort of speech impediment. As a result, having to
not see their cohort and their teachers face when they talk and being masked up all day long.
So I'm very proud to say that I was instrumental in help reverse mass
requirement for one of the local school districts. And when this was happening,
and I was promptly reported by local school district to the local news saying that I was
selling exemption cards for money. So that was interesting. And soon after that, I started to
get trickle of people calling my office for COVID vaccine exemptions. Initially was my established
patient. And also I was seeing my established patient coming in with very severe COVID vaccine
reactions. And I thought that was really odd because all the 20 years I practiced medicine,
I have seen maybe one or two very mild cases of adult vaccine reactions, very, very mild.
And looking at the various data, various vaccine adverse event data in America,
where we administer anywhere between 50 to 75 million vaccine total a year.
There are very, very few, I would say about 150 deaths per year out of 50 million vaccine
that we administer. So what I'm trying to say is adult vaccine reaction, which is very rare,
but I was seeing a handful of my own adult patient coming in for COVID vaccine injuries.
So because of that, I saw some of the patients that's not my regular patients with vaccine
exemption. They evaluate them and I say, hey, that's fine. These COVID vaccine are experimental.
And within the first couple of months, first three months of implementing the COVID vaccine,
there is an extreme spike on the various data of over 5,000 deaths that's reported
with COVID-19 vaccine. So I say, hey, I don't believe the COVID vaccine is safe.
And given that there's many other things that you can do to prevent you from getting infected.
So I feel very comfortable in providing the exemption.
And again, just like the mask, within a week, my office was flooded with calls,
hundreds and hundreds of calls a day. And like Sue Frost said, I will work late into the night,
9, 10 p.m. and I seen patients that want to have vaccine exemptions.
And that's when I start to see hundreds of nurses that are injured by their first
shot of COVID vaccination. That's when I start seeing tens and twenties and fifty
firefighters coming in and telling me, hey, they won't accept my religious exemption requests for
COVID vaccinations. And I'm seeing my fellow firefighter getting injured from the vaccine.
I don't want to get the shot. Can you help us? Can you help my whole department? We have over
20, 30, 50 plus firefighters that doesn't want to get a shot. And if we don't get these exemptions,
we'll be fired. So within a span of, I would say two weeks from the mask
and also from the COVID vaccine exemption request, I knew I was going to lose my license.
Why is that? When the quote unquote pandemic first happened, I just won my first case fighting
against the California Medical Board from someone that was practicing or exercising
munchausen by proxy trying to injure their family. When I'm trying to protect their family and they
report me to the Medical Board. Now I was able to successfully defend my license after three years
of bitter fight. And I knew how the Medical Board works and how the government works.
It's not in the physician's favor. So when all this hundreds and thousands of requests for
mask and vaccine exemption pour in, and with the fact that California is encouraging
people to report physician that provide exemptions, especially for mask and COVID vaccine
exemptions, I knew I'm a marked man. So I have a choice to either do the right thing
to protect people, little kids from mask injury, from protecting kids and adults from these
experimental gene therapy injury, or protect my employment. Luckily, I had a plan since 9-11,
when I was a intern at Indiana University. I knew that something was not right, that
as a citizen of a state that we can be hurt by our government. When I saw the airplane flew into
the Twin Tower, I was on call that night and I have five cold blues and I will never forget that night.
I was looking up at the TV screen and I thought, wow, they're playing some sort of movie where
airplane flying to buildings. Little did I know that was real. And when I saw that there was,
it's not just the Twin Tower collapse, it was building seven that collapsed straight down
from a small fire. And then I thought something was not right. How can a
freestanding modern steel building collapse straight down like an implosion?
And I knew that something was not right, that a lot of things that had happened during 9-11 could
be planned. That's a way for us to scare the people into war. And that's what happened in the past 20
years. And we fought one war after another, killing millions of innocent people and then wasted
trillions of dollars. So I prepared myself since 9-11 to prepare myself financially.
So I'm trying to save and invest wisely. So in 2021, when all this exemption came in and poured
in, I knew that my practice will be destroyed, my license will be revoked. I would need to do the
right thing. And I'm able to do the right thing, even that means I will not have a career. So I
say, okay, I will provide the exemption for masks. I will provide the exemption for vaccine and what
has happened since. I provided over 500 face masks exemption for children, for school,
over thousands of COVID vaccine exemptions for nurses, firefighters, like Sue Frost,
pretty much everyone from all over the country, even from Canada, from Germany. And I have treated
over 4,000 COVID patients in my office without wearing face masks once, 100% survival and success
rate. That means I have helped over 10,000 people with COVID-related issue. On the day of my office
closure, I have lost over $100,000. That means I had to pay for my lease because I had to close my
office early. I had to pay for the equipment loss and whatnot. That means I've lost about on average
$10 for every COVID patient I've seen. Is it worth it? I would say yes with the number of
life I was able to protect. And also if you look at a monetary term, how much income and retirement
I had protected, just a simple calculation, I had protected over $1 billion of annual income for
their retirement from all the exemption I provided for mask and vaccine exemption to protect their
employment. So I'm very proud of what I have done. And since then a lot has happened. I've lost every
friend I had to my medical training because everyone thought I was a good doctor. And I was
sued my medical training because everyone thought I was nuts. I was crazy.
But in the past year, I have seen what has happened when my friends have taken the shots.
I used to work at Kaiser. It's a large management group. And the clinic I work at,
it's about 30 physicians. And physician, we are usually trying to stay healthy,
trying to avoid harms. We don't smoke, we don't drink. And unfortunately in the past year,
I've learned that two out of the 30 physicians I work with were diagnosed with aggressive
advanced cancer. And one of them died because of that. Almost monthly, I would hear
one or two physicians would die suddenly. And most recently, we know this family practice
resident who's in his 30s. We have seen him about a month ago, healthy, vibrant. And he suddenly
died of advanced cancer and left an unborn child as a result. So we start to see the results of
healthcare provider playing the Russian roulette, getting the shots as they're leading their
physician, leading their patients, setting examples, getting their booster shots and
getting injured from these experimental vaccines. So I think the lesson that we need to learn is
is that we need to take care of our health. When something bad happens, be it a real or
manmade pandemic, that there are many things that we can do to protect ourself. It's not just the
mass. It's not just the experimental shots. There are many things that we can do with our health,
with our diet, with our exercise that we can protect ourself. And one thing I have also learned
is that the governments all across the world are getting ever larger. For example, in the US,
back in the 1970s, the government size take up about 26% of the GDP, the gross domestic product
to sustain. Fast forward 40 years in 2024, right now we require 36% of GDP to sustain the government
function. And back in 1970s, the standard of living increased about 2% per year. And fast forward to
today is down to 1.3% per year. Because every 1% increase of government size, there's a 0.1%
reduction of standard of living. What does that translate? That translates when the standard of
living of a general population decrease, that decrease the new household formation, that decrease
the birth rate and decreasing our health. And in 2021, with the amounts of money that we have
printed, that really increases inflation and that destroy the economy, and that means our general
health will reduce. So I would encourage the listener to invest wisely, protect your nest egg,
and also the most important is to take great care of your health. With the increased pressure on
inflation, again, looking at an example, US home price in 2001, US home price on average costs
$170,000 to purchase a home. That will require about 650 ounces of gold to purchase. In fast
forward in 2024, average home price has risen from $170,000 per home to $420,000 per home.
If you take a look at that 650 ounces of gold back in 2001 to purchase a home, if you take that gold
and translate to 2024, that 650 ounces of gold were worth $1.6 million. That has greatly risen
in price compared to the cost to purchase a home now, which is $420,000. So why do I mention these
examples? That means not only do we need to take care of our health, we need to take care of our
finance. Because the government is going to destroy our money with inflation. If you invest
wisely, your investment will be protected. I will have to say, luckily, I was able to invest
somewhat wisely, that unable to send my retire and close my office because of the pressure from the
state from providing the exemptions for masks and for COVID vaccine. And I feel sorry for
new physicians that just graduated from med school with $200,000 debt, looking at
hundreds of people pointing to their office asking for masks or COVID vaccine exemption.
They won't be able to do what I do easily because they don't have the income and the necessary
to rely on if their practice is destroyed. So my closing thought with everyone is not only do we
need to protect our health, sometimes and oftentimes the government all across the world is
going to go after you as a, I would say it's kind of like the movie Matrix as a battery. They're
going to basically extract as much as they can from you monetarily and also using you
and forcing things on you to injure you, be it from a vaccine or mask for their own good.
So we need to always have an open mind. It doesn't matter if it's anyone that has the
authority, be it Fauci and their likes saying, hey, listen to me, I am science. Do X, Y, and Z.
We need to remember the word science. Science means you are always wrong. Things always evolve.
You need to have an open mind to learn what comes about that's new and developing.
So yeah, everybody take great care of yourself, health and financially protect yourself,
protect your career as much as possible. And yeah, so that's my thought.
Michael, thank you so much for sharing your story, your perspective on what you've gone through.
My slogan for my business is passionate people produce PPP. Well, I've got one for you.
You are proudly protecting patients. PPP. So interesting, the comment is made
on turbo cancers. I was riding my bike. I exercise Michael every day. I've been new triathlons for 38
years. And I was riding with one of my cycling buddies, an intelligent guy, who said, what are
these meetings that you do twice a week? And I said, meeting on doctors for COVID Ethics
International. He said, why do you need that? You know, I don't know anybody who's died from the jabs.
Okay, this is a highly intelligent guy and ties into the Psyop. And you mentioned turbo cancers,
the people dying from cancer, we've got all these people dying suddenly. And clearly the
psychological operation like 911 has worked so that people are incapable of questioning the
narrative, you know, literally, and the point that you make about health, Stephen was talking about
a psychological operation and Jason Kristoff's been on here, poor health increases your ability
to be psychologically tortured. And you make an excellent point. And there are many people on this
call who are experts in alternative health, wonderful practitioners. And anyone watching
the recording and all of you, I encourage you to you must find alternative health practitioners,
you cannot rely on the medical system. So that were my initial comments. Stephen goes first with
the next 15 minutes. Stephen, well done for organizing Michael and thank you, Sue Frost and
Shesta for having Michael here. Stephen over to you.
Yeah, thanks, Joe. So, Michael, so it's a bit tough listening to you as a medical doctor.
And what I did in the last four years, but it's not about me, it's about what you've done.
It is tough and it's difficult to kind of think of the right questions. But
and so I just wonder, it seems to me that people talk about good food, and they talk about this,
and they're preparing financially and but they forget the most basic requirement of human beings.
And that is not just the nuclear family, but the extended family. And the extended family has been
lost in Western countries. And that seems to be the problem to me, I've honed in on,
I mean, obviously, it's so obvious that you miss it. But it's caused people to be isolated, even
when they're in a nuclear family. And that's put extra pressure on the nuclear family. So
my mother used to quote, she had a quote saying, it takes a village to bring up a child, you need
a village to bring up a child. And I think that the extended family was very, very important.
It doesn't exist hardly in the UK now that everybody's moving around. So their relatives
are increasingly seen as invasions, their privacy, you know, inconveniences. So they want everything
to be convenient. They never think about the repercussions of things that they might do,
the law of unintended consequences. And it seems to me that human beings are their biggest enemy,
because they have lost the most precious thing that they had, which was the extended family.
And furthermore, they've been convinced that actually, you don't want an extended family
anyway, because in this modern world, which is very unwise, of course, because there's no extended
family, it's very inconvenient to have people within the family prying into your privacy in
inverted commas. So it's all about you and being selfish. And now people are very surprised about
what has happened. Some of us are, and they're struggling for answers, you know, and they say,
well, it's all about the medical system. Well, it's not all about the medical system. It's all
about food, good food. It's not all about good food. You can't be healthy if you haven't got an
extended family. I think that is the truth. And I know from my own, we've got three children,
but the pressures on the nuclear family, our nuclear family, were huge, you know. And so
initially, we had my grandmother was alive. So she but she lived to 105. And, but I remember,
as a child, we used to go there. And there were always people at my grandmother's on a Sunday and
a Saturday, for that matter. And that was very comforting to a child, it was difficult to know
why we like to go to see my grandmother, because there were so many people there. But you saw all
these people and in a family of say, 50 people, an extended family of 50 people,
you're going to have some a couple of weird people, if you're honest. And that was a kind
of training ground for children about teaching tolerance, do you understand me? But now everybody
seeking for people who agree with them, when actually that's not very helpful to human beings
from a psychological point of view. So I just wonder, you know, and also, I think
you've straddled two civilizations on the one hand, you got you, I think you were you born in
China, Michael, or were you born in Taiwan? My Taiwan, I was born in Taiwan, my parents are from
China, my grandparents are from China. Yeah. So Taiwan is Formosa, which
formerly is part of China and broke away from China. Is that from nationalist China? And
China and? Yeah, when the communists and the Kuomintang when they were fighting back in 1949,
and the Republic of China, they were losing the war and they kind of fled over to Taiwan.
And that's how Taiwan was. It was a Japanese colony before that it was Dutch colony.
The name comes from, what was his name? Tchaikovsky or something.
Yan Kai-shek. Yan Kai-shek, yeah. So who was he exactly? Can you?
Well, he's kind of like a the royal warlord that the US was supporting during World War II,
fighting against the Japanese. And he was very, very corrupt. And he lost the support of the people.
But Mao Zedong had the support of the people. And that's how they were able to overtake China
and kick the warlord over to Taiwan. Yeah. So without oversimplifying things,
it may be very difficult because you've lived most all your life in the US. Is that correct?
Since I was 14. Oh, since 14. OK, so you do remember Taiwan. Wow. And so China seems to be very
difficult to understand, especially when you've never been there, haven't been there. I'd like to
go there or to have been there. That would be helpful because I have been to the Soviet Union
when it was the Soviet Union. And that was a pretty amazing experience. But anyway,
so China seems to be very, so people say, oh, it's very traditional, you know, and you have a lot of
kind of culture. And from the outside, at least it looks so the Chinese culture is as strong as
the Japanese culture. And that's pretty strong. So but on the other hand, if you had to pick one
country in the world which has been overtaken by totalitarianism or something close to it,
you'd say it was China. And I just wondered what you'd say about that. And is that why you were
fighting what was happening in California so passionately? Did you see did you see what was
coming to China to America? Oh, yeah, definitely. What's going on in the world now, especially with
all the woke, calling everyone a racist and racism, one that's it's basically it's
the Cultural Revolution 101 in China, right, where you turn everything upside down. One plus
one is equal to three. Yeah, black. Now it's white. So you create a huge psychological confusion.
And once you create confusion, male is now female, female is now male. Right? Yeah, absolutely.
Basic stuff. It's just, you know, Cultural Revolution 101. I saw it coming. That's the reason why I said
in March 2020, you know, our enemy has brought us down to our knees without firing a shot.
But why do so many Westerners make excuses for China? And particularly those who've been to China.
I'm often wondering, are they Chinese agents? Or do they have something to gain by not criticizing
China? I do remember there was a Chris Patton was had a wrote a book. He was the last governor of
Hong Kong. 1997. They gave over Hong Kong. I was amazed that Britain just handed over Hong Kong.
I didn't care what was agreed before. The fact was that the people of Hong Kong didn't want to
be handed over to China. So why did we do it? And so the governor of last governor of Hong Kong,
his name is Chris Patton, very able. I don't particularly like him now. But he was wrote a
book. And he was working with publishers in the UK. And it and it was pulled at the last moment.
And the so the story went that it was critical of China. And Patton was incensed, allegedly,
you know, maybe he's working as a double agent, I don't know. And, but the publisher, the editor
who'd been working with Chris Patton was one of the most senior editors in, in the in the publishing
firm, and if not the most senior, and he resigned over it. Now, that could have been a play as well,
you know, the whole the world's the stage. Shakespeare said that long ago. And we are but
actors with exits and entrances or something like that. So I just wonder, what is the truth
about China? Why are people make within the West making excuses for China? When it seems to me that
exactly what has happened in in New York State and California, in particular in the United States,
they are the ones being consumed by Chinese style totalitarianism. And nobody talks about the fact
that lockdowns were, as far as I understood, created invented by the Chinese. And then you've
got not just the Great Cultural Revolution of 1968 to 1975 was it, you've got the great leap
forward, but you've got Mao's March. And if you had to pick one country which killed more people
than China, per head of population now, you'd be hard pushed to find a place worse than China,
possibly Russia, but you know, the Soviet Union, Stalin's Russia. But I just wondered what you,
there are lots of points there. But sure. So to answer your questions, first, going back to the
family. I think many of you are familiar with the concept of blu zone. Blue zone, there are a couple
areas in the world where people live relatively disease free way past 90. And these are, there's
an island in Japan, there's Loma Linda in California. And there's an island over at Italy,
where people will live long and relative disease free. And one of the most common thing is that
there is a very, very strong family connection. I think respecting the elderly, living amongst a
big family have a close knit support is very important for good health. So as far as China,
US, Britain, Australia globally, what's going on now, America, we are declining empire. So just
like British, just like Dutch, you probably are familiar with the cycle where you kind of get
strongs and decline and strong and decline and whatnot. So the British basically took over the
Dutch Empire. And then America took over the British Empire. And right now we, America is
on a decline. So going back to my first case, I fought with the medical board where the parents
was doing something injuring their children, munchausen by proxy. Why is that important?
I think there's a disease that's pervasive. It's almost like munchausen by proxy in a global scale,
in a national scale, that we like to see ourselves suffer and people get joy from that.
We don't like to see people succeed. We like to see people suffer.
We tend to shoot ourselves in the foot. We want to push poverty. We want to push crime. We want to
push racism, this divisive stuff amongst each other to see ourselves fight.
And it brings people joy. And I think that's a very troublesome trend. So my family are from China,
and I still remember my grandmom was born in the early 1900s, and she had to be forced to bound her
feet to be a very, very small size. It's a very outdated Chinese practice, which is very barbaric.
But she's a strong woman. During the World War II, where the communist soldier will
break into her home with a bayonet to her throat, asking where my grandfather has hit weapons to
fight the Japanese. And they want the weapons. They want the bombs. And she will not tell them,
she's that brave. And she said an example for me that I need to be brave for my village,
for my community. So when all this COVID mess came about, I had the example to follow.
I remember what my grandma would do in life and death situations. So I was able to remember,
I need to be brave and do the right thing. So why is it that we don't raise up the
obvious stuff about our other foreign country, be it China, be it other country that do things
are harming us? It's because I think in US, globally, we have a lot of domestic enemies.
I'd like to see their own populace suffer, be it for their own gangs, be it monchalance and by proxy.
You know, America, you can see with the Ukraine war, we could easily end the war
by not pushing NATOs through Ukraine, but we don't want to. We are very happy to see
hundreds and thousands of Ukrainian and Soviet young men killing each other. We can easily
backed out and say, hey, that's not Putin nukes over Ukraine, just like we don't want Russia to
put nukes over at Mexico, Tijuana, Mexico. But we don't do that. We keep on pushing these
types of things. I think US government, I'm talking about US because I'm from US,
we are basically bullies now throughout the world. We do things to aggravate other countries
instead of helping other countries like during World War II. I still remember a story where my
grandma would tell us, yeah, we see the American planes flying around and shooting down Japanese
zeros. Well, we had to run from the Japanese zeros, gaining strength. Those were fantastic
stories, but we don't hear that nowadays. We hear about United States bullying other countries,
fighting wars that doesn't need to be fought, invading countries,
sovereign countries that we have no right to be in. So I think as a nature,
country-wise, we are injuring our own people, be it through these tobacco vaccination,
be it through war, but I think it's something that's very evil and very toxic.
Absolutely. Yeah, not only that, I think that they are trying to sow division
everywhere, particularly the family. They've succeeded and people don't even realize why
they're so unhappy. And the real reason they're unhappy is because they don't know who they can
trust because they haven't got their family around them. They haven't got their nuclear family and
they haven't got, more importantly possibly, the extended family because the nuclear family cannot
survive without the extended family. So people moving all around the world,
yeah, it's very interesting, but I wonder whether it's good for human beings in the long run. And I
think that we'd better get start getting things right and understanding what has happened and
what we're going to do about it because I don't think it's very long because we're going to end
up like the mice in the universe 25 experiment. When the mice populations started declining,
this was performed in the 60s, by the way, it was repeated 25 times. I thought that 25 related to
2025, but actually it was because the experiment was so important in the mind of the one person
doing it that he had to repeat it 25 times to make sure it was correct. So anyway, the point was that
the mice, as far as I can understand, they got divided into, they weren't divided, but
it's happened that they kind of formed groups. And one of the groups were the males who didn't
want sex with the females. And the females would take it out on this male group. The females were
not happy that the males weren't interested in them sexually because this is nature, you know?
And so I'm thinking as a medical doctor, what on earth was that experiment about? What was it? So
why was it so important? I think what they did, they were trying to find whether they could
remove the will to live from mice. And the thing is, well, people say, ah, but that was just about
mice. We're human beings. But I think it's the same thing. I think that we've seen it in the
last four and a half years, you know, people look to me as a medical doctor, I observed very
carefully because we live near the sea in North Wales. And I can go down to the promenade, which
is new. I've got a new promenade with European money just before Brexit. And it's absolutely
amazing there. And loads of people go there. And it's like a human zoo, because they're
transfixed by the sea. They're all looking out to sea. And I can just observe all these people. But
Michael, they're lost. They are completely lost. If you try to engage them in conversation,
they look surprised that someone's talked. And this is by the sea, you know, not all, but
but they are like children. The adults are like children. I think it's not surprising. I really
think the signs are there for everyone to see that people are losing the will to live.
All right, come on, come on. That's enough. That's 18 minutes.
Well, anyway, so Charles, yeah, so I want to hear what Michael says about them.
Okay. So it's interesting that you brought that experiment. If you look at all the developed
country, if you look at the birth rate, and that experiment is pretty accurate,
you can see the drastic decline in birth rate, especially in South Korea, in Taiwan, in China,
in Japan, in America, in Britain, Australia, which is not producing enough offspring to replace
us, the people that are here. But if you look at the developing country, where they are still
trying to get better, still trying to grow, their birth rate are, you know, three or four
children per couple. So I think human nature have a way it's like a sickly event, you have the rise
to power and prosperity. And once you get there, when things are comfortable, just looking at
rooms, there's a way there in Tennessee that we want to destroy ourself and prepare for the next,
whatever that region or property or country to rise and then destroy ourself. It doesn't mean that
us, the developed country are on absolutely on a decline. But I think if, you know, we need to do
whatever we can to protect our property, to protect our family and our home. And I think that was
another reason I decided, yeah, my career is on the line, but I need to protect my community.
That's why I went ahead and help hundreds and thousands of people that need help. But again,
you know, going back to that mice experiment, I'm only one mice out of hundreds and thousands of
physicians out there that's willing to do this. So, you know, the trend is, it's not promising.
So do you think that, are you familiar with that?
Come on, Charles, this is a very important point.
It's important that you say, I did it.
Okay, well another minute. So, you know very well that the universe 25 experiment could be
actually highly relevant, Charles. So why are you interrupting?
So anyway, because you've been going for 20 minutes, that's why.
Well, are we slaves of the clock, Charles, for goodness sake?
We are.
No, we're not slaves of the clock. We are passionate people and we follow our passions.
Okay, so Michael, what do you say? Is the universe 25 experiment important or not?
I think it's very important. I think that really translates to our society, our life nowadays.
We need to take a whole look at ourselves. Are we the mice that's biting off other mice's tails
in their head and their ears? Why are we doing this in harming ourselves?
We need to think, why are we pushing wars all across the Middle East into Russia and Ukraine?
Why are we doing this? Why are we willing to watch, you know, us killing each other?
So we need to learn from our lesson. If we don't, it will be just as bad as the mice.
Absolutely. So thank you very much, Michael.
Thank you, Stephen. Darya, we've got hands up and others will have lots of questions.
Darn it. Give me just a second. I'm going to get out of this other phone. Okay, there.
I got that muted too. The reason I had my phone out here is because what I want to do is real quick.
I've got a I have this going so I don't talk too long. Five minutes and 10 seconds. I just
bought this at the dollar store last week. Anyway, so let me just let me just read this. So my
questions, you know, kind of leads up to it, but it's hopefully quick. So Michael, thank you for
being here. The point I wanted to make was that in my mind as a doctor, I'm trying to keep this up
here. So I should have printed it that the that's a peanut butter jar. I'm holding my phone on.
There we go. The real Psyop actually started for us in pre med and med school. As fortunate as I was
to have graduated from Indiana University, got the shirt here. In 1987, my neurosurgery graduation
was in 1993 from the Cleveland Clinic. And at that early in 1993, the cancer of wokeness was already
spreading. As a neurosurgical resident, the 120 hour work weeks, including 40 on 40 hour on call
workdays, no lie, insulated me from the early woke ideology creeping into the educational leadership
at the Cleveland Clinic and in hospital administrations. By the way, my undergrad was in
pharmacy, not pre med. So I'm a pharmacist too. So I know about industry. And the point was self
deprogramming of the industrial pharma and medicine cartels infiltration into health care
training and was enough of a challenge in the 90s. So for me, I was already starting to see it.
But one of the things and I think I bring this up. Yeah, I do. The professional duty of
clinicians is to the improvement of their patients health conditions.
It is computerized modern medical care environment. The greatest challenge in this computerized
modern medical care environment, the greatest challenge is to remain doggedly persistent
in doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do. For example, when we were hit with
in my practice in neurosurgery practice, it was around 2004, I think that the pain is a fifth vital
sign, flawed rhetoric did not make any sense to me. Like likely because I wouldn't go along with
that. I continued to manage my post neurosurgical care pain patients the same way that I likely
saved thousands of patients from narcotic addiction during my 20 and a half year career.
We have seen firsthand that these worldly global collectivist agendas are a direct threat to patient
lives and immortal souls. How difficult is it for a younger clinician like you subjected to woke
educational institutions completely controlled by the medical government pharma industrial cartel
to sort through the morass of regulations and corporate pressures to navigate their patients
healing and recovery. And first of all, do no harm. So that's one question. And the last question is
how has your experience guided your success for the mission all workers in the healing arts
with continued self-education to apply the valid techniques that we learned in school,
including tests and training of some areas of modern medicine while rejecting the false
medical dogmas from the indoctrination factories of college medicine and residency training,
which puts patient health and well-being as a last priority. Thank you. I did it.
Thanks.
Thanks for the question, Darya. I think I'm glad that you mentioned that you're from
university or you train at university in Indiana. My internship at university in Indiana was the
best training ever. Why is it? It's not because it's easy, because it was hard.
It was super hard. I still remember that as a young intern, I had to take care of
50 plus ICU patients, three floors in Indianapolis, the Methodist hospital. And that's how I
became tough. I think nowadays, as you were that the young physician residents, they have our
restriction now that they had to get a certain amount of sleep. I think it's a great idea,
but I think they are soft. And when they do graduate, they are not ready to be on their own
and to be independent. And back to your question about pushing narcotics, pain is a fifth vital.
I think that was horrible. And anybody can see it if you can see and think clearly. And I still
remember when I first started working at Kaiser, and I will inherit these patients that had
prescription of 300 nocals pills a month, 300. And that's just one of the few example I can list.
And I try so hard to win enough narcotics. So what does a patient do? The number one goal is
it's not making patient healthy anymore. The number one goal is making patient happy.
So I get patient complaints after patient complaint after patient complaint. Every year,
I have a stack this thick of patient complaints. Oh, Dr. Huang is not giving me my narcotic pain
medicine. Dr. Huang is winning me off my Percocet, off my Fericid and stuff like that.
But the patient that do listen to me or listen to my recommendation actually became very thankful
that yes, it is we did a hard thing. And also we did the right thing. And they were eventually
healthier than before. I think for young physician is extremely hard. First, they are trained to be
soft. They're not trained to be hard and tough and think on their feet too. They are trained to make
quote unquote patient happy inside patient healthy. And I think we forgot about that.
That first, not only do we not do harm, we got to do everything we can to make patient healthy and
whole. That means, yes, they're not going to like or listen to what you had to say to them.
But I think as a practitioner, this is the first thing that we need to remember.
It's not to make if your financial advisor is not to make your customer happy. Yes, you can
go out and buy that Ferrari. You can go out and buy that million dollar resort, but you're going
to be poor. I don't recommend you to do it. But I'm too afraid to say it because I don't want my
customer to be unhappy with me. So I encourage them to spend all the money that they have
instead of putting into a better investment. So I think that's something that we need to keep in mind.
Are you a member of AAPS by American Association of Physicians and Surgeons?
Oh, I'm not. I try to stay out of these type of organization.
Well, this is going out for me. Yeah, no, these are the good guys. A lot of our presenters on this
Zoom call have our members of AAPS. So if you go to aapsonline.org, I already texted the
manager administrator, Jeremy, and asked him to watch for your referral. But I highly recommend
it. It's independent physicians. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Daria, what's that website? Can you
put that website in the chat again, please? Yeah, I sure will. Thank you, Daria. Thank you for the
question. Thank you. OK, Sue, I like all these red showing up on the screen. John Baudwin's in red
and Sue's in red and Daria is in red. Michael Red is the color of passion, you see, and John's got
red socks. The old Bostons. I haven't even read here. Yes, put on your red hat. In fact, there you
are. There you are, Michael. Leave and put on my red hat. I'm from communist China if I wear
something red. Switzerland. Thanks, Daria. Sue. Hi, Michael. Great talk. Very informative. And I
love the way you think. I think you would have been a great senator, by the way. But I wanted
to ask you a little bit about Western medicine and your thoughts. You have an inside view of
what goes on in the medical system. And I've talked with people before who have told me that
these hospital systems have to get something like 38 or 9, you know, permits or licenses renewed
every year. And if they don't go by the rules of the CDC and, you know, all the way down,
they can lose their licensing and they won't be a hospital. And I wonder if you can just speak
a little bit too, because it's always been for me, if I, you know, I was so excited that you were my
doctor because I trusted you. I trusted your judgment. And since you left, I haven't got
another doctor. I don't even want to go anywhere near that place, you know. I just pray to God I
don't get sick so I don't need anything. But can doctors practice medicine anymore or are they just
have they been reduced to being a technician? And, you know, you mentioned that, you know,
I know you as a person who looks to, you know, if someone has a dilemma, you're looking at the
symptoms and what's the root cause and going after the root cause. And I know you're all about
prevention. You're an athlete and you believe in health, healthful living. You made a comment
in your video that said if you ever come back, it will be different. And so I wonder what you mean
by that. Does that mean you'll come back, you know, and it won't be, you know, petroleum-based,
you know, you know, Western medicine, pill pusher medicine, go by the rules technician guy.
I'm sorry to be so, to all the doctors on the call, I'm not trying to be offensive. That's just,
it feels that way right now. It feels like that's what medicine has digressed to. I wonder if you
can speak to this. Sure. Oh, I'm sure that we have many, many wonderful and brilliant physicians
on call right now. And I, you know, I really admire what everybody does. But going back to
primary care physician of my practice, we're basically just gatekeeper, especially there's so
few of us that dare to venture out and do private practice. That means we have more of a say
in promoting health. We shall just, you know, follow a set rule. When I worked for Kaiser and
I also worked for Southern Medical Group for a little while. And there are things or, you know,
measure that we had to meet. You got to prescribe certain amount of cholesterol medicine.
You got to get the patient under a certain amount of blood pressure measurements, which
may be a good thing. But again, you know, it's a very, very strict and it doesn't allow you to
think outside of the box, right? So you're different, you know, you're different from
your sister. You're different from your cousin. You're different from your friend. When you come
to my office, I look at you as an individual. So I tailor your health according to what I feel like
you may need. So as you say, I'm into sports. As you well know, I used to race cars. In Formula
1, you have race engineer. And that's what I see myself as a physician and your race engineer.
I would recommend that you break at this point, that you're going to, you know, turn into this
berm. And I can recommend how you should drive to finish the race first for Sue, okay? Not for anyone
else, not for Kaiser, not for Sutter, not for my own monetary gain. So it's for you. So it's very
sad nowadays that I had known cardiologists who they believe cholesterol medicine, statin,
can actually harm their patients, but they are afraid to say it. Why is that? Because they're
able to promote that. They can actually get fired, right? Cholesterol medicine, I really feel like,
you know, just we're picking on cholesterol now. I really don't think that cholesterol,
it's really the villain that we need to worry about. It's actually sugar. It's actually inactivity.
It's actually the trunk obesity, the fat that we have around your belly that we need to worry
about. And statin has many, many side effects, including dementia, many, many other things.
I actually help my patient come off statin. If I work for managed care, now I'll be in trouble,
right? I'm not going to get my bonus at the end of the year because I don't prescribe enough
of these statin medications. So when I say if I ever do come back, it's going to be different.
I still haven't decided if I ever want to come back to medicine, just because of the risks of
being reported as so high. It doesn't matter where, even if I go to Idaho, even if I go to Texas,
I know many physician in Texas, they're licensed in Jeopardy because they treat the COVID patients.
So hopefully the licensure places, the medical boards are really not to be trusted. They have
basically been bought, like you said, by the pharmaceutical company. They are pushing a certain
type of agenda and only vaccine and vaccine only and nothing else. Forget about eating whole food,
eating fruits and vegetables and exercising, get out to the sun for 15 minutes a day and
work up a sweat. Nobody ever talks about that anymore. So I think as a physician, if I ever
practice again, I want to be able to do it in a way that I don't have to always look
behind my back if someone's going to stab me. What I can really take you on, Sue, that you're my
patient. What's best for you? What's best for you that you can finish first? And I'll give you my
recommendation, be it something pleasant that you are happy to hear or maybe something that's very
offensive that you don't want to hear. But you know what? I'm your race engineer and I was going
to think about what's best for you. I think that should be how we think and practice,
be a physician or financial advisor or engineer or home improvement person.
I would just think about put our client first. Well said, Michael. Sue, thank you for the
question. Michael, my definition of health, most people don't have a definition of health.
I've been involved in health since 1965, even though I was a lawyer. Health is the unique,
ties into what you just said, health is the unique optimal balance for each one of us of mental,
physical and spiritual elements. And the whole EBM model and protocol model is clearly so flawed.
And Sue, it's lovely of you not to want to offend anybody. We're not in the offense industry here,
so it doesn't apply. So don't worry. People can be offended as much as they like. We don't give her
rats. We lovingly don't give a shit. Okay. Thank you, Sue. Rose.
I'd like to make a comment to what Daria said and then to Michael. And then I have a question for
you, Michael. Daria, thank you for bringing up the stupid pain fifth vital sign. I have been
screaming about that. And the stupid, what is your pain scale one to 10 is the most idiotic
question out there. So thank you for bringing that up. And I met a wonderful surgeon from UCLA,
and I was talking to him about five years ago and he goes, Rose, I was taught in medical school. So
you know, that was long before, oh, you don't need a stethoscope. You don't need to touch your patient,
just run a bunch of tests. So the bottom line is, is in Western medicine here in the US,
it's no clinical diagnosis, no investigation, just load them up with a bunch of useless tests,
which I call the shotgun approach, and then load them up with drugs. So Michael, one of the things
I wanted to let you know, and the other doctors on the call, I've written an oath for healers,
and it's going back to the original Hippocratic oath, but I've modified it. So it's on my blog,
so everybody's welcome to go to that. So Michael, the question I have for you,
in your early treatment, what were you focused on? And were you aware of the 2010 publication
by one of the co-authors Ralph Barak regarding zinc and isonophores?
Okay. Thanks, Rose, for the question. First, I want to mention, I can tell you how often when I see a
new patient that there will be the comments is I'm so shocked. He actually asked me to undress in
Senegal and that you actually touch me and do physical exam. I think physician nowadays,
like you said, many physician be a graduate from UCLA, they really don't examine the patient anymore.
They just run a bunch of tests and thinking that something may come up. I think medicine is still
an art. We just like, you know, you find a mechanic, someone bringing a car and I don't open
the hood and look under the hood and look at the engine. Right. And what kind of mechanic am I? So
I think as a physician, I think I'm ashamed to say that many primary care physicians just don't
do their job anymore. So going back to zinc and whatnot, I'm not aware of that publication or study,
but what I usually normally tell my patient when I first start seeing COVID like symptoms in late
2019 is I knew that, you know, especially that I'm the experienced working at a hospital and I knew
that intubating patient is the last resort. You never want to do it because you're not going to
do it because when patients' lungs are inflamed, it's very fragile. It's like blowing out a balloon
that can pop anytime. So when Governor Cuomo was trying to push ventilator on COVID patients,
I told my staff, that's the stupid things that anybody can say. Anybody that get on the
ventilator with COVID is going to die because you're going to burst that lung. So my approach is you
look at the disease and I knew that when people have a COVID lung, their lungs are fragile.
So you want to reduce that inflammation. How do we reduce it? Anything, anything, be it kitchen
sink, whatever you can do to reduce that inflammation. Zinc, magnesium, vitamin C
supplement, vitamin D, perinosome, Z-Pak, antibiotic, inhaler. That's how I treated my patient
ever since COVID started. It's funny to say, but I didn't start using ivermectin until probably 2022
because there are so many other resources I can use to treat it. How about NAC and glutathione?
Were you also looking at that? I'm sorry? Were you also looking at NAC and glutathione?
No, I didn't look at it because I'm not familiar with it. So I hate to admit that I am limited as
far as what I'm familiar with or what I'm comfortable with. But I'm sure that there's
many other resources, there's many other reagents that's very effective in reducing inflammation.
And again, one thing I want to mention, Rose, not only did I provide exemption, I actually treated
COVID vaccine adverse reactions. I actually successfully treated hundreds of people.
And my success rate is over 95%. This gentleman that had a five booster shot because he needed
a shot to go visit his elderly patient in a nursing home. And both of his parents passed away and he
ended up developing a dilated cardiomyopathy where his heart ballooned up and his heart ejection
fraction went down from 65%, which is normal, down to 15%. His cardiologist, Ovi Kaiser, totally
rolled him off. Said, oh, you need to be on a pacemaker. We're going to put you on five
different medications. Came and saw me. So my strategy is, okay, we've got to reduce the spike
protein cytotoxicity. So I gave him Ivermitein, I gave him fluoxamine. I reduced his inflammation.
I gave him very, very low dose Prenazone. His heart ejection fraction actually went up from 15% to 45%
before I closed my office. So this is just an example. I use the tools that I am familiar with
and I do have to admit my ignorance. I'm a scientist. So there's a lot of things I do not know
that I am wrong. So Rose, you bring up a lot of points that's very valid, very good, which I'm
not familiar with. So I'm proud of that. That makes you a good physician because you'll always
be learning. Like you said, it's an art and we're always going to be discovering new things.
One last thing I wanted to share with you. I just dealt with a case this past week,
50 year old heart attack, the hospital let his troponin go from 700 upon admission.
They didn't check his troponin quickly. It went up to over 1500 by the next morning.
And then they were slamming him and yelling at him. You got to control your cholesterol. You've
got to control your blood pressure. They put them on two statins, a beta blocker and a calcium
channel blocker. His normal blood pressure is 106 over 70 and his cholesterol was like 145 and his
triglycerides were like half of what they needed to be. They didn't look at the patient and I'm
like, look, they didn't even look at your CAT scan that you got gastritis and a possible duodenitis
and you've got a kidney stone. I'm like, what could have caused all three things?
And they're like, oh, it's his cholesterol. I'm like, no, it's not. And they just rubber
stamped him and sent him off to die basically. And I'm like, you know, what about a heavy
metal toxicity, which may have caused all of your condition. They rubber stamped him and sent him
home with five new drugs. That's a reason like what Sue said, people are afraid to go to the
hospital nowadays. Hospitals are actually one of the most dangerous places you can go. Unfortunately,
there are times I can save your life, but oftentimes they may make a lot of mistake and kill you.
Oh yeah. So thank you. I appreciate everything that you've done.
Thank you, Rose. Now we go back to the UK, Michael, to Janet.
Hi, Michael. I'm a retired GP in the UK. I'm just wondering, did you think that COVID-19 was a novel
disease? How did you diagnose it? What were the symptoms and signs that you were coming across
and did they vary from patient to patient? And then what treatments did you employ? I think maybe
you covered the last bit in the previous question. Hi, Janet. Yeah, that kind of brings back memory.
I did a month of rotation over England and I still remember I can't believe that the patients were so
nice to me and they were spitting on my face. So that's one thing I really appreciated. So back in 2019,
just like any other cold and flu season, every year is different. And when I started treating
the COVID patients, it was very easily managed. So is it new? I would say yes. It's a variant
strain of a flu. It could be. The tests that we had to run to quote unquote confront COVID-19,
I think, is a bunch of BS. This is something that China or US or Fauci has intentionally
quote unquote spread, maybe. But I think the bottom line is, the most important thing is
we can treat this. Were you basically just seeing a pneumonitis? You were seeing a pneumonia,
basically, in these patients? Yes, yes. That's it. And I hate to say it's kind of boring.
Some people call me great. You're such a wonderful physician, but I feel kind of ashamed because I
didn't do anything new. I just did what worked. So is it a novel virus? Is it so new that we had
never seen before? I don't believe so. Right. So you didn't think that these
pneumonia patients were very different from what you'd seen before. But despite that,
you didn't just treat with steroids and antibiotics. You actually gave them a lot of other things as
well. I just treated with a standard protocol with community acquired pneumonia. You know,
if I needed pre-nazone, very low dose, short course, antibiotic, and everybody got better.
Yeah. And if you ask my patient, they'll be saying, yeah, Dr. Huang, I'm tired of him telling me
to stop eating junk, get out, lose weight and exercise. You know, that's. I think what,
Michael, I think what Janet's driving up, because I'm British, so I kind of pick up on,
I think she's driving it. Was there any symptom in your view, which was pathognomonic for COVID-19?
Not really. I do have to say. So was there a disease called COVID-19?
I'm sorry? So my question to you. So I don't think there was a pandemic, but I also don't
think there was any disease called COVID-19. It was an invention. They wanted to create fear,
and that's exactly what they did. I get this question quite a bit. Is a lab created? Is it
manmade? Is it really COVID-19? I do have to say, if you were to take COVID-19 out of the picture
and never say that there's a pandemic, I don't think that we will miss a beat.
Absolutely. 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 will be the same as any other year that we have cold and flu.
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Janet. Jack, go back to the US now. Michael?
So Janet wasn't there. Michael, I was very impressed that you listened so closely to your grandmother.
I have to. I wish my grandchildren would do the same for me. But what I'm most interested in is
all those patients who came to you for exemptions, who intuitively recognized that there was
something amiss here, something unbelievable, something they distrusted, and they came to you
for those exemptions, upon, of course, severe threats by the government and the Falsies.
Did you notice anything that distinguished these from the rest of the population?
Of the people that came for me for exemptions?
Yeah. I'm a psychologist, and that's what I'm looking at, especially.
Sure. People that came for me for exemption, they mostly are from the frontline workers,
tons of nurses, even physicians, that came to me for exemptions. The funny story is I saw a pair
of podiatrists at Kaiser, and they were about to lose their job. And I gave them an exemption,
and they were able to keep their employment. And a year down the road, my son broke his foot,
and their surgeon was the surgeon I provided the exemption for. So I really believe in karma,
that whatever you do, it's going to come back, either punish you or reward you.
As far as the people that came for me for exemptions, I think most of them,
they have an open mind, and most of them have seen their colleagues and friends hurt from the COVID
shots, especially the firefighters. Gosh, they were getting answering calls to people's homes
that just had a vaccine shot and had a massive heart attack or stroke. And I will hear a story
like this over and over again. So these are the people that have seen firsthand the adverse
reaction from the shots. From the kids that want to have the mask exemption, they're basically from
my community. My community in California is Ronan, California. So it's very conservative.
Now today, I think the mask is very political. If Trump was elected president in 2020,
he'd come out and say, hey, everybody get the shot because this is the project Warp Speed.
Everybody wear a mask, it's great for you. And literally, we're going to see just the opposite
today. Most people in the liberal will say, we never want to get a shot. People deliver your
grocery, like what Stephen said. We'll probably not wear a mask. They will have blue hair and not
wear a mask. So I think mask or no mask is political. And unfortunately, in Asia,
they're quite superstitious and Chinese. So somehow Asians love to wear a mask.
If you go to Japan, everybody's got a mask on. If you go to Taiwan, everybody got a mask on.
And I just want to grab them by their shirt and scream at them and tell them to get the thing off.
It doesn't do anything for viral transmission. So yeah, I would say people that come to me for
exemptions, they kind of have a hunch of what's going on. And because it's political, most people
are more the Republican or conservative, if you're in America, than the liberal. But I have seen
people that are hardcore Democrats and liberal, they're literally coming, vaccine injured,
they need to get an exemption. So I've seen that too. Yeah.
Well, in the phase of this terror campaign, what Stephen, I think correctly described as a
campaign of terror against the public, these people were willing to trust their own hunch.
And of course, the minute you speak up, you're challenged about that. And these
these authority figures, official appointed authority figures are telling you that you're
wrong. And yet these are all people who are willing to trust their own hunch, their own judgment.
So I'm going to read something to you. Right now, the medical board is going out for me for providing
COVID vaccine exemption for firefighters. They accused me of basically violating the standard
of care. So this is the standard of care they quoted from the California Department of Public
Health. They say unvaccinated person are more likely to get infected and spread the virus,
which is transmitted through the air. Most current hospitalizations and deaths are among the
unvaccinated person. Thanks to vaccination and to measure since taking March 2020,
California's health care system is currently able to address the increase in cases and
hospitalization. However, additionally, statewide facility direct measure are necessary to protect
particularly vulnerable population, ensure a sufficient consistent supply of workers in
high risk healthcare setting. So the quote unquote standard of care is unvaccinated,
you're going to get sick and vaccinated people are protected. And they never say anything about
staying healthy, exercise, eat whole fruit, nothing. All those assertions of theirs are untrue.
And if you they're documentably untrue. If you have faith in the government,
you're gonna listen to them because that's the standard of care, which I will have to say it is
so wrong. Yeah, absolutely. In my own experience, I've been a rebel most of my life. When I was in
the army during the Vietnam War, I was a rebel against that. But that's one of the things that
brought the Vietnam War to a close. There's a book written about it called soldiers and revolt.
And a film made about it called Sir No Sir.
Jack, can I ask you whether it's ever got in Vietnam? Did it ever get to the officers
shooting their men? Sorry? Yeah, that was shooting the officers. Yes. That was called fragging.
Yeah. Yeah, their officers would send them off on assignments that were had very high risk of death.
There were forces, cover forces that have been pulled out. This was not just a matter of
ideological disbelief. It was a matter of self-preservation. So they just killed the
officers. Yes. But and I've been told by military people, that when it gets to that stage,
that's the end of the war. And it's absolutely right. And there was a huge support growing at
home for that too. So these guys came home to a welcome, not to a disgrace. Yes, exactly.
But what does it take? I mean, look, see, that was probably the very first time I started
questioning the government. And I've been questioning it about everything ever since.
And but you can go back to World War Two. I was just a little kid. And I remember thinking,
why the hell did they drop two atom bombs? And why did they even drop one atom bomb on human beings?
Why not drop it on rice field to show what it would do? So there's a there's a
disposition among some of us to simply question people who make declarations from positions of
authority. All right, Jack, we're gonna keep moving. Okay, thank you. Thank you, Jack,
for your observations as a psychologist. JB. And with experience of war.
That's me. Yep. Dr. Michael, how are you? I'm John Baudouin. I apologize. I missed
a large part of the beginning of your presentation. I have to agree with, you know, everything,
as most people here. Well, you brought up the masks. People here, you know,
everybody else, please know that I have some really good evidence court ready that is state
FOIA from Massachusetts. A lot of people may have heard in the news in 2020 in March, April,
that the state of Massachusetts Governor Charlie Baker obtained 1.4 million masks from China and
had them flown into Boston on the New England Patriots private jet that made national news.
Now that I say it, people may remember that. What they don't know is that samples of those
masks were given to Professor Gregory Rutledge at MIT under contract for testing. And I have the
internal emails from the Department of Public Health and Gregory Rutledge. They're in a substack
I wrote more than two years ago, and they failed. And these are masks put across a test fixture.
So all your randomized control trial, all that B.S. that EBM stuff that doctors do to test
something is worthless downstream if the material properties themselves don't filter out anything
that would save people. And the filtration efficiency of the masks is listed in a number
of tests that Professor Gregory Rutledge did. So they don't work. And Rutledge sent that message on
April 20th, 2020. So they knew that the masks don't work. Two weeks before they instituted
the mask mandate. They knew it. They further stated how much training is necessary to don and
doff a mask. How to put them on, how to take them off. And every single time you put them on,
you do a smell test where they spray that stinky stuff. And if you can smell it, the mask isn't
working. So none of it was about whether masks work. They knew they didn't work. It was all about
control. And they wanted to carrot and stick everybody with, you know, if you take the vaccine
when it's available, then you can take your mask off. So that was one thing. The other is
regarding the vaccine, you mentioned about people kind of being in a cult, and they wouldn't have
gone along with it if Trump was still president and, you know, they switched, right? So here's
a living example. The director of admissions at a law school where I was an entering first year
student at 56 years old, and I went for a year before they threw me out for not getting the
vaccine. The director of admissions wrote to me, well, I wrote to him and said, it says here,
I have to get the COVID vaccine when it's available. I can't do that. I'm not doing that.
Do you have an exemption? And he wrote back and he said three things. One, you're over 30, so you
don't have to get the vaccine. Number two, nobody at this school is going to ask you if you got the
vaccine. And number three, no one at this school is going to be first in line for that vaccine.
Now, Trump was president in 2020. So then you have the election, you have all the, you know,
the steal, the cheat, and then Biden's president. Now it's a mandate. It goes to be a mandate. And
now if I don't get it, I'm thrown out of school and they threw me out of school. They didn't even
rule on my religious exemption. So everything he said is true. I have the evidence to back it up.
I have lawsuits on, well, I had the lawsuit on the mask. He actually changed the order for the
entire state to get around my lawsuit. And then the other two lawsuits are on appeal right now.
So yeah, plenty of evidence if you need it, Dr. Wong. Let me know.
Thank you. Thanks.
Yes. There's wonderful resources here, Michael, and you should, through Sue and, you know,
through Stephen, ask what resources you need to fight back against this attack, this ongoing
attack on you. Thank you. I have basically fight, my fight with the medical board, I won twice
already. So they're just trying to dig up dirt and go out for me. Yeah, eventually they basically,
well, they want my license and I don't care. Sorry, one more thing. The Connecticut Memorandum
Series, volume two came out last week. I don't think I've been here in a while. I don't know if
you guys know about it. It's 250 pages. It's got 171 enumerated paragraphs over 100 people who died
from the vaccine. I have it, I have people's names, first names, sometimes middle names,
ages, the medical examiner's name, license number, everything's in there. And that's the biggest pile
of evidence against this vaccine in the world to date. There's nothing that is more conclusive and
irrefutable than the document. I will put it in the, I think I put it in the chat earlier.
I'll put the link to it in the chat again. It's 250 pages long, 125 pages of text, 125 pages of
graphical representations of death records, real death record, state file numbers, everything.
There's nothing like it in the world. Michael, why don't you, I'm listening to John. He's a
brilliant researcher. He's got some great evidence. You could do worse than just whoever is attacking
you or who has attacked you. You could just submit that evidence and then they have to read it all
and counter it. And if they don't counter it, of course, that means they don't want to enter into
dialogue. But actually that would give you some strength. It would certainly stop them taking your
license away from you without having an argument at least. Well, the problem is California Medical
Board, they recently passed a new bill stating that any physician that's brought to the board
for review, and if we do decide to fight the case and we lose, we not only had to pay
my own side of the legal bill, I had to pay the medical bill side of the legal bill.
So basically they are tying our hands behind our backs. Well, so we know some lawyers, that should
be challenged, shouldn't it? Oh yeah. They can't be fiddling around with the rules of the game like that.
It's California. They're also doing it in the UK with lowest pay lists. They charge, even if you win
the case against the legal board. Well, she said that there was some nuance there Charles, which we
didn't really get on top of, but she said to me privately that that wasn't the case. But anyway,
yeah, they were trying it on anyway. I think. Yeah, it's well worth fighting. So anyway, Michael is
fighting and there's resources here Michael for you. So, Kit, let's keep going. We've got hands up.
We've got 40 minutes left. Rose, Rose wants to bring something to your attention on the 1974
legislation. Yeah, in addition to what John said, we looked at the FOIA emails from Fauci
in an early 2020. In the actual email, they post that the masks don't work. And I always bring up
the argument, no one's trained in proper PPE protocols. So everybody's touching their mask
and cross-contaminating and there is no biohazard disposal. So the 1974 National Research Act, I
finally threw out and it was picked up by Brian Ward. So if you don't follow him, follow his
legislation. They have cases all across the U.S. So the 1974 National Research Act was put in place
for this very reason. So the government can't force people into research. I think during the
quote unquote pandemic, the hardest thing for me to do is setting the example. I will walk around
Home Depot at where I live without a mask. I will go to the airport without a mask where the air
marshal will ask me to put a mask on. I will say no. That was the hardest thing is to setting an
example. So going back- You know what's so funny on that is I was in Michigan at the height of it
and I walked around with a smile on my face. And when I went into the grocery stores, they were all
like, I'm like, good morning. Isn't it a beautiful day? And they're like, you don't have a mask on,
you need a mask. And I said, HIPAA. They went, oh, okay. And I just walked on.
Yep. And the thing that bothered me the most of those people that come in that want to have the
exemption, the first thing I tell these people is these shots are experimental. No one has the right
to force you to be experimented on. And I will stress that on everybody that come to me for
exemption. Yep. All right. Thank you, Rose. And that's encoded in the Nuremberg code.
They don't care. Yeah. Well, they better care because-
There will be a day of reckoning. Stephen's right. You know, we just keep the records. We
don't just give up. The longer it goes on, the worse it's going to be. Yeah. I agree with you,
Charles. Yeah. Love. Hey, Dr. I wanted to ask you, you know, in another lifetime, I was on the
Mount Hood Ski Patrol for about 20 years and we had a, you know, we would start training first
aid stuff in October and we, I can't remember which condition, I don't know whether it was
grand mal seizures or, but the treatment was to put a paper sack over their head and increase the
rate of CO2 and reduce the oxygen level. And somehow that, I don't remember what the condition
was that this was a recommended first aid for. Hyperventilation in a panic attack.
What is it? Panic attack. Oh, was it panic? Yeah. Yeah. People afraid of scouts. I'm the
checklist. Maybe that was it. But anyway, Berenson's, this is what the one I started with on masks in
March of 2020. And this little book, Berenson's Unreported Truce About COVID-19 and Lockdowns,
and this is part three mask. This is loaded with references, the studies of masks. And there are
some of these studies that, I mean, if you restrict the amount of oxygen and increase the amount of CO2,
it feeds, if you have a cancer cells growing, the worst thing you can do is restrict the O2 level.
And I, boy, I see people that are, you know, 200 pounds overweight and you can watch that mask.
They're not getting enough O2. That's gotta be, that's gotta be deleterious to health. Would you
talk about that, Michael? Thank you. That was a big word. The best part is you see people wearing
a mask and take it off to take a puff of smoke. That's the best. So like I said, there's a time
and place for face covering. And the need for face covering is very minimal. When you're doing
surgery, when you're treating a tuberculosis patient, if you have seasonal allergy, if you
are having an active viral infection, that you have a lot of cough, you don't want to spit on people,
that's it. And my office was right next to a cancer treatment center here at Roosevelt,
California. Before COVID, we will see maybe one or two person going in on the cancer treatment
center with a face mask because they just had chemotherapy. They want to protect themselves
somehow a little bit. So that's the only time I will see people donning a face covering.
And that's it. But nowadays, if you have blue hair, if you go to the DNC, the Democratic Convention
meeting, you better wear a mask. It's very, very political. It's not scientific at all. Yeah.
Fifteen years ago, a friend of mine went to Mexico for cancer treatment. He had a stage four,
and they said, well, you're ready for diet here. And he went to Mexico for treatment. And
part of the treatment was to be in a barometric oxygen room for a couple hours every day.
He was there for eight weeks, came back, they did the test, they said, well, you've had a spontaneous
remission. Anyway, thanks. All right. Thanks, Marv. Jim.
The issue of human experimentation, the Helsinki Accords are being rewritten.
And this on the 60th anniversary of the originals. So just want to be careful about that.
And everything you said, I'm very grateful for all you've done, especially in California.
And we need to figure out how to fix California, hopefully. You know that the medical board of
California where the guys who are out with Governor Newsom, when they filmed him without
wearing masks, and they may know that the masks don't work. And also the masks that are silver,
silver woven masks, true 47, tru47.com, silver woven masks that don't get the bacterial stuff
inside them. That may be beneficial for those who are mandated to wear masks.
So I offer that for your consideration. Also the AAPS, American Association of American Physicians
and Surgeons, AAPS online that Darry was mentioning, that's a really great organization. And Jeremy,
the guy who was kind of the administrative guy is kind of a genius. And regarding the
glutathione or N-acetylcysteine, he's the guy who found out that there were five
plants that were being shut down by the FDA that produced, get this, N-acetylcysteine, N-ac.
And reverse engineered it and figured out that that N-acetylcysteine gets converted into glutathione,
blocks the GP120 that is inside the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. And so by figuring that out and
then figuring out that N-acetylcysteine was being blocked from being sold on Amazon, which is an
intelligence operation, figured out that N-acetylcysteine was very important and as was
glutathione. And there are a bunch of other medications that are very important to stop
the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. So look forward to maybe seeing you at the AAPS meeting or joining
that. That's very important organization. My question relates to, you mentioned detoxifying
from the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. Many people believe that that SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is a
bioterrorist weapon and it may have been designed by the people who are least affected by it.
What are your thoughts on that and what are your thoughts on how to prepare for the next bio weapons
that are seeming to be coming out of this monkey box, the plague and all that stuff? Thanks.
So yeah, good question. So the sad thing is there will be another pandemic.
There will be another scare whenever they feel like it's time. The important thing is that we
need to stay up to date and understand how to protect ourselves. So the medical board has
went as far as sending a spy to my office asking for a mask and vaccine exemption during
the pandemic. That's how desperate they are trying to shot me down. And I want those cases too.
So now they are going after me for providing the COVID vaccine exemption for about 50 firefighters.
So it's just one thing after another that I'm fighting. It's fine. Again, it's something,
how will California be fixed? I think it's kind of like the mice experiment. We're basically just
going to destroy ourselves down to the ground and burn it all down and rebuild. Tesla left California,
recent Exxon leaving California. How many sites do they need to basically button themselves up
and say, oh my goodness, we have a net ex migration of people leaving California and all
this business leaving California. I guess we better give undocumented immigrant $150,000 to buy a new
home. This insanity continues. It's kind of like the mice experiment. Not until they actually
destroy themselves will they try to do something to correct it. So I think it's important if you
live in California, definitely look for an exit strategy. Definitely looking for a way out
to protect yourself. Yeah. Thanks. And in terms of how you're going to
keep moving forward with the next things that are coming down the pike and confronting the
governor, the medical boards, how can you give them information so they don't have plausible
deniability of what they have done or what the intelligence community has done in terms of
bioterror weapons? The next mandate, the next pandemic may not be from the Democrat,
maybe from the Republicans, maybe from the conservative. So whatever they're going to
force down on us, I think the most important thing is one, we got to take good care of
ourselves, make sure ourself is healthy, make sure our family is healthy, and also be educated on
what kind of madness they're going to push on us. The question that you have on how to detox
ourself on the spike protein, that's how I aim at treating my COVID injured patient.
Of course, first is don't get any shots. Secondly, I look at everyone's symptoms,
be it cardiovascular, neurological, or use the medication accordingly to reduce their inflammation
and time is what it takes. Hopefully the spike protein is going to wash out of their system.
But it's a long road in treating these type of injury. And are you seeing a lot of the low
testosterone, low testosterone, Albert Borla is a veterinarian who specializes in immunocastration.
I have not seen that. Most of the injury I see is cardiovascular and neurological.
It's strong with a large amount of ACE2 receptors in the men's testicles per square centimeter,
as well as in the brain, which may be causing brain fog,
the location of the ACE2 receptors. I haven't seen that much affecting the
testosterone or the hormonal pathway. Thank you.
So Albert, what's his name, the guy at the top of Pfizer? So he's the guy Jim was talking about.
Albert Borla. Yeah, so you know that, do you Michael?
Yep. Okay, that's good. I thought maybe you'd
missed it because Jim didn't say who it was. Thanks Jim. Simon, then John, then Stephen,
and we're finishing in 25 minutes, Michael. Hope you're okay for that.
Yep, I'm okay. Simon.
Thank you much, Michael, for your presentation. And thank you, Sue, for organizing. And thank
you, Jack, for that great insight of why not put the one atom bomb on your ice field. That was a
brilliant thought I think you had as a kid, Jack. When I heard you, Michael, you were always saying
about the fate in government and you had a lot of firefighters and you referred also to 9-11.
Most of your people that came for exemption, were they already in that having no more fate in
government? Were they already insightful about the whole 9-11 thing? And then the question would be,
would it be for us something to, instead of trying to convince people how the medical
story is and follow the science or not, but actually promote any of the lies of the government
and show that governments can actually lie to us because that seems to be the only way people are
open, at least for the idea that the vaccine is not good for us. So would it be a... So my question
first is, most of the people that came to your office, were they already in a state of having
no more fate in the government? And secondly, do you think that if we actually focus on any of
the other lies, and there's so many, as soon as we convince a person from one of the lies and they
can see there is a potential lie from government, maybe it will be much easier for us to get them
to oppose mass vaccination or other things. Thank you. The majority of people that come to me for
vaccine exemption, they do not have a good faith of the government. And many of them do have some
faith, but seeing what they are being forced to do, and they have lost faith. So one thing that we
need to understand is, any type of organization have the selfish tendency of wanting to basically
protect themselves, be it the government or Target or Home Depot or any type of organization,
Cougar or whatever. Develop country, unfortunately, the governments are from Australia,
UK, especially in America, the government just gets bigger and bigger. And they're basically
like a game thug organization now. We can do whatever we want. Nobody has any say in it.
And I think COVID is a perfect example where you can see, instead of pointing outwards
and get their way, right now they're pointing inwards at the people they actually govern
and extract money and power from. That's the perfect example through COVID. That's the reason
why if you look at the life expectancy in America, in USA, instead of going up, the life expectancy
is actually going down. So the government is doing all this wonderful stuff for us,
be it pushing schedule vaccination, be it pushing processed food, whatever. We should see a sky
rocketing in our life expectancy. In sale, we're seeing a decline, much like auto racing, Formula
One. If you have a wonderful race engineer, if you have a wonderful factory that makes a beautiful
race car and the best driver, but yet you're finishing last, something's wrong. So most of
people I see, they actually don't have good faith in their race engineer, their governments.
Thank you. Thank you, Michael. So Michael, one observation is that governments not only lie,
but they weaponize some people against other people. And that really is evil, in my opinion.
You can just look at America, right? You push this racism on everybody. You push this transgender
on everybody. It just makes us fight each other. So we are distracted from what the government is
actually not doing, right? Correct. Government doesn't produce anything. They don't make ice
cream. They don't make your window shade. They are just trying to function as a referee in a
basketball game. So having two referee and 10 basketball player, right now we have 20 referee
and 10 basketball player is too much. It's hindering our progress. It's hindering the game.
They're killing creativity. Yep. And totalitarianism always does that. And there is,
so we've got this creeping totalitarianism and it actually sucks the energy from created people
and people who want to do the right thing, because it is the right thing, rather than for the reward
that may come their way if they do the right thing. So anyway, thank you so much, Michael.
Charles is he here? Charles is gone. John Bauduin, thanks.
Hi, Michael. Dr. Warren. I assume you're going to a medical board and that's what you're defending
yourself against. It's not at any kind of criminal or civil court right now? It's not a criminal.
It's just, it's like a legislative court. Basically, it's kind of like whether I can
keep my driver's license or not. All right. So it's a special administrative court.
It's an administrative court set up by some state law. Okay. Really, I mean, so in criminal law,
and you could probably use this in what you're doing as well, there's a defense called necessity
defense of others, defending other what you are doing is on balance of harms,
less harmful to the overall than the benefit you're bringing. And the benefit is you're saving their
lives by not giving them the vaccine. I can give you the evidence to show irrefutably that it killed
hundreds of thousands of people in the U S and thousands per state, and even a tiny little
state like Connecticut. So depending on how the lawyer would tell you to carve out your defense,
there's a lot going on, but what they're actually doing is a crime.
The act that they are, and somebody should tell them this, if not you, somebody else,
their acts against you are 18 USC 241, conspiracy against rights, 242, deprivation of rights under
color of law. And then if you go to the civil side, you've got civil action for deprivation
of rights in the section 1983, but they are committing severe federal felonies against you.
And it shouldn't come from you. I mean, it could come from you, but if somebody else makes that
complaint, it has to name these people personally, whoever you talk to, whoever's coming down on you
from that organization, don't think of it as an organization. Everybody is responsible for their
own criminal behavior. They are individuals that you have to individually name and you have to go
after them individually. Everybody hides behind the group or government entity that they work for.
And that's fine for civil litigation because they have like qualified and sovereign immunity if
they're part of the government or they have, you know, respond to that superior, if they're part
of some other organization. But when it comes to criminal behavior, which this is, this is conspiracy
against rights. It's a very serious federal felony that they should be made aware that the evidence
is all written. They've done it. Can you write to them? I mean, I suppose I could. Well, I'll tell
you what, you could draft the letter and we could send it as an organization.
There's probably people here, Steven, that wouldn't want to sign on to that. So again,
we don't need their signatures. We just do it. The individuals, you know,
if it's your organization, you can do it. Sure. So I'm happy for that, John.
Just Charles, I'm sure. That's, yep. I know Charles. Yeah. Well,
you do. Yeah. Their latest accusation is basically pitting me against the California Department of
Public Health, quote unquote, water. So they're basically saying that the CDRP, the California
Department of Public Health, it's a standard of practice and I violated that practice. So
that's why the fight against basically I am trying to tell them that the CDRP is not
accurate. It's actually the end of making false statement. And no one in California dare to say
that except for me. You guys probably know who Steve Kershwood is, right? Yeah. I know Steve.
Well, he calls me Steve Kershwood is actually my patient. Oh, no kid. Yeah. Yeah. All right.
I know Steve. Yeah. To me for help. Well, what's so the California Department of Health is an
advisory capacity and they do not have rule over any medical doctor or their license. They're not
in the practice of medicine. They are quoting the CDRP as the standard of practice. That's what they
are going out for me. So no, they can't. That's like right. Any lawyer should blow that away right
away. And the CDRP is the one that makes basically quote unquote, mandating all the vaccine and, and
mask requirement for the health care worker, for the general public and one and fighting.
And all the judges are in with them. Sorry. The reason why I mentioned Steve Kershwood is,
you know, we're talking quite length with his, the New Zealand death data. No, he did a great
job in publishing that. But as you can see, after he published, it just, it's cricket. It's quiet.
Yeah. But that's so that that's all statistics, inferential statistical methods on a large
database that's been de-identified. I have the names of people who died minutes after the vaccine
and people who died from aortic dissections a day later and pulmonary emboli in two days.
There are four expressly stated death records that say the vaccine killed them and the CDC deleted
vaccine as a cause on three out of the four. That's the level of evidence I have.
Oh, that's good evidence. Yeah. So Michael, Michael, I think, I think you and
should talk to John clearly and John's seat speaks to Steve Kersh. And the other thing to
remember in all this for them, no, then we've got different agendas. I think that John,
that's all right. Listen, I'm talking now, the Michael issue and Stephen for you as a doctor,
the issue is when you apply for a practicing certificate, John, this takes it out of the
criminal law into the into contract law, Michael, when you apply for your practicing certificate,
and by the way, Ronald Owens is on Ron, Ron Owens is on this call. He's from the former
from the California Department of Public Health. He'll share his views in a moment,
but your application for a medical license says, I agree to be bound by the rulings of these wankers.
Okay, that's contractual. You say I apply for my renewal of my license. I agree to be bound.
That's one issue. Then John is raising other criminal law aspects, which attacking the person
is good. And you've also got the problem of a medical board. What is it? Is that a company?
What sort of legal entity is that often they're not incorporated. So they sort of deflected,
as John says. And so and so look at your application for a license. Every doctor on
this call should understand this bullshit that you're tied into. And that's how they control
you with your agreement to be bound. Okay. And John, just to distinguish that for everybody,
the difference between a medical board and a state licensing board, okay, in the United States is
different than Canada with the colleges. But in the United States, we have each state has licensing
boards, not just for doctors, but also nurses and funeral directors and so forth. And that's how they
control people. The NGOs are the like American Board of Internal Medicine, Family Medicine,
Pediatrics. They also use coercion, but those are not governmental. And they kind of under the
Federation of State Medical Boards, the Federation, not federal. It's another NGO that's
Rico Crime Syndicate. But Charles, very good point. However, the Department of Public Health
is different than the licensing board under that state law, I guarantee it. And so with this,
if his contract is with the state licensing board, I would.
Anyway, I agree the complexity. Yep. Yep. So Ron, what do you say about this before you
raise your hand? Ron, Michael, you should have a look at Ron's. In fact, Ron, if you put your
website into the chat, Michael will be able to save that and look at your work. Ron, what are
your thoughts on this? John, stay here is important. Well, number one, I just wanted to thank
Dr. Juan for his courageous stand. I knew of him. I knew of his reputation.
Sue Frost connected us. And I believe, as we all know, he's a hero. And he's to be commended
for doing the right thing at a great cost. So I just wanted number one to acknowledge that.
I can't speak as a lawyer because I am not a lawyer. I have been in touch with a Dr. Fox.
He is suing the California Department of Public Health. And I believe he's going to be appearing
before this group in the not too distant future. But in my correspondence with Dr. Fox
late last week, I recommended because he's suing the California Department of Public Health,
as well as the California Department of Education and there are other parties in that suit
regarding childhood immunizations. He's trying to find out number one. And the writing is so
small here. I'm going to enlarge it and turn this sideways. He's got three particular
claims in his suit. The school immunization requirements are unconstitutional under the
first and 14th amendments. The special education students, those with IEPs are legally exempt
from those requirements. And the doctor who had his medical license revoked for not going along
with those requirements had his first amendment rights infringed upon and should be in residence
reinstated. His lawsuit has to do with childhood immunizations. What I propose that he do is use
that modality of his lawsuit to apply for the receipts that I bring to the table that there are
high ranking senior officials at the California Department of Public Health who knew that properly
dose I would make and could cure a COVID. And in essence, they dismissed me and they knew what
Javier Becerra said regarding vaccines. We know these vaccines are killing people of color,
black, Latino, indigenous people at about two times the rate of white Americans.
Leadership knew about those vaccine concerns, yet they still espoused and propagated this constant
vaccines are safe and effective narrative. One last thing I wanted to ask, I have a
friend who texted me a couple of days ago. She's trying to determine if there's any graphs, any
sort of data that compares the number of cases, deaths from flu between 2018 and 2022,
as well because she wants to know if trying to show the number of flu cases compared to COVID-19
and the number of death comparison. So that's the question that she posed to me. And I said,
I've got a group of physicians who might be able to assist in ascertaining the answer to her question.
Well, John, you've certainly got that data. And Ron, many people here will have access
immediately to that data of how the flu numbers dropped and the COVID numbers went up. But Michael,
I think you made the comment earlier that in fact, over the last five years, ignoring vaccine
COVID jab injuries and deaths, the number of flu cases hasn't changed when you combine the lot,
Michael. That's what you said earlier, correct? Yep. I need to address that. Sorry. Just give me
10 seconds. The flu deaths are only 8% of the COVID deaths. It's always been almost the red
herring. It is part of it. Hospital homicides drove the COVID death numbers. It's the NIH
COVID treatment protocols with a whole cocktail of drugs plus ventilators that killed enough
people to call it a pandemic. And I have those numbers. It all comes down to acute renal failure,
100% increase across the United States. That's an excess of 155,000 deaths at a much younger ages
that if you look at life years lost, it's the greatest loss of life in 100 years in the United
States and nobody frigging knows about it. And it drives me nuts. I can't get traction on it.
It's more than COVID, more than smallpox, polio, honk. The only thing more is World War II in the
last 100 years. So first, Ron, it's good to see you on this room. We have spoke before. Thanks.
Appreciate the kind of work. To answer your question, like what John said, if we take the
pandemic out of the pictures, in the past four years, we wouldn't notice any difference compared
with flu. But there's a huge difference, like what John has said. During the quote-unquote pandemic,
we basically asked the physician to hands off. If you have a cold, you have a pneumonia, you cannot
come to the office to see me. And Kaiser is a perfect example. You cannot see a physician in
person. It's quote-unquote too dangerous. So you are stuck. You have a cold, you have a pneumonia,
you're stuck to stay at home. So if we do that with regular cold and flu season before 2020,
I think we'll see the spike in death and injury that we've seen in the past three or four years.
So to answer your question, Ron, the death and flu every year, I think kills about like 50,000 people.
There's data that you can find on CDC website. And if you ask the physician to basically hands
off, ask the hospital to hands off, don't treat these people and also force ventilation on,
you know, a patient with pneumonitis and whatnot. You're going to see the rise in death count,
like what we've seen in the past three or four years. Okay. So it's very equivalent to a bad flu season.
Yeah, and then you've got all the anxiety which they created, the terror across the world,
deliberately created with an operation, military grade psychological operation,
absolutely outrageous what they did. So I don't think it's possible to quantify how many people
have died from anxiety. And we were taught at medical school that anxiety can kill human beings
if it's bad enough. Yeah. Ron, have we answered your questions? We've got Daria, then back to
Stephen, we're going to finish in the next few minutes. Ron, are we not covered anything?
Yes, I'm good. I just don't know how to lower my hand. I can do that. Thank you, Daria. Then
Stephen for final questions. John, thank you for your input. And Michael, I urge you to get in touch
with John Baudwin. Daria. Yeah, Michael, I just thought of one last thing I wanted to ask you about.
Since you have ceased to take care of patients, are you doing any other type of income generating
work as a consultant or some other line of work to have an income stream cash flow? Just curious.
Thanks. Financially, I am in a good place. I don't have to work if I don't ever want to work another
day. So not everybody can do that. So luckily, I'm able to do that. I have not done any consultation.
I let my office stay open as long as I can until there was just a trickle of COVID patients or
COVID injury patients coming in. Instead of seeing 20 a day, I was seeing maybe one every couple of
weeks. And that's when I knew that I can close my office. So that's when I decided to close last
July. So financially, I'm okay. But thanks for asking, though. Thanks, Daria. Yeah, we're all kind
of, you know, with all these, we have a lot of education. We have a lot of experience. And we
are many people, I'm retired, so I can't really do anything now because I hurt my hands. But
there should be a way that we can help people with all the knowledge and wisdom we've acquired
in our experience to continue doing something productive. And you can write a book and make a
mint without even leaving your house. So, you know, I would encourage you to do that if that's
something you're interested in because publishing is a good way to make some ongoing revenue and
royalties. But yeah, I mean, what are we all to do? Go work at Walmart or something? I'm not doing that.
Okay, there's lots of wonderful, there are so many problems on the planet.
I assure you there's no shortage of ways to generate revenue. So, Stephen, last set of
questions to you and then we're finishing. And then for those with the time, Tom Rodman's video
telegram meeting will be available and Tom puts the links into the chat. Stephen?
So, Dr. Wang, I have to say that you did what your grandmother told you to do. And I think
you suggested that you had to, you said something on the lines that I had to listen to my grandmother.
And good on you because that's all disappeared from the UK now. People don't think they're free
of their grandmother or their grandfather's approval and even their parents' approval.
And that's the problem, this arrogance created by social media and mobile phones,
people living online and forming cults essentially like echo chambers, you know.
So, they get used to having no opposition. In fact, they get addicted to getting the like things,
you know, but how popular they are and they don't realize how ephemeral all that is and how
artificial and taking away their humanity. So, I think you understand that. So, I don't really need
to, but I wanted to ask you, in 2020 and 2021 and even 2022 and even 2023, how terrified,
I'm sure this lady who arrived at the door with a mask on today in 2024, in September 2024,
unbelievable. No wonder it was triggered. So, how terrified were your patients in your view
before they'd seen you? I'm sure you calmed them down very quickly
because a good doctor should be able to calm down a patient in about 30 seconds flat by the
correct words. So, how terrified do you think your patients were? Could you see it on their face
when they had been told outrageously to go away until they got worse and putting it in their mind
that a day might arrive when they wouldn't be able to breathe and then they should go to the
hospital? So, I imagine that some of these patients in California coming to you, it was the end of a
long road for some of them and they were coming from other states and even from other countries.
They were probably relieved that you were around and open, but they were terrified that maybe for
some reason you couldn't see them as a doctor. So, how bad do you think it was?
Sure. When Steve Kirsch first came to my office and I still remember that he kind of creeped into my
waiting room and took a look at myself and my staff and said, I can't believe you guys are not
wearing masks. This is fantastic. So, yeah, people were terrified. They didn't know what's right,
what's wrong. I still remember the first COVID patient I ever seen that was discharged from a
hospital with COVID pneumonia. She was in my exam room and I walk in without a mask and she
started crying and said, I can't believe that you're not afraid of me and I can't believe you're
not wearing a mask and I just gave her a hug. Outrageous. We need to lead by example. We need
to lead. We need to be, you need to have that confidence that you are tough enough that when
you know the truth, you're not afraid to show it. So, Dr. Wines, that wasn't the, I agree with you,
absolutely. But the point I was trying to make, you were in a position to observe the terror of
fellow human beings as a medical doctor doing the right thing. I just want you to record here
what you remember of that time. Every day I went to my work. I went to my office.
I didn't know if that's the day the sheriff is going to kick down my door and take me to jail.
I got a threat letter from the city. I got a threat letter from the county.
The Department of Public Health are calling me saying, why aren't you wearing a mask?
Why are you doing these type of things? So the threat level is pretty high. It got so bad.
I didn't know if I had to find my way to deliver medicine to my patient. It got that bad.
I understand, yeah. What I'm trying to get at is not the effect so much. I think we've got
good imagination as far as you're concerned, you know, how it was for you. Very, very difficult
indeed. But on the other hand, you were doing the right thing and now you've got a good conscience
and that's great. But what I'm trying to get at is the outrageousness of what happened and how
bad was the terror campaign against the people of the United States of America, in particular
California? One day I had three news agencies showed up at my door accusing me of selling
exemption cards for money. My staff is looking at me like, what's going on? That's when the local
Department of Public Health called me, what's going on? CNN is texting my phone wanting interview.
The threat level is unbelievable. I'm a private practitioner. The San Francisco Chronicle wrote
an article about me without interviewing me, painting me as a charlatan, selling exemption cards.
My mom is crying to me, son, why are you doing this? Can you please stop?
My wife is looking at me like I'm nuts. The level of fear, the level of uncertainty is unbelievable.
If I'm not tough, if I didn't go through the tough training through my internship, running
three ICU floors, having page after page dealing with five calls at a time, I won't be able to
handle this if I'm not physically and mentally tough. I understand, yes. But I'm trying to get
to how bad it was for the people, your patients. You saw them with your own eyes as a doctor.
It was bad for you, terrible for you, but it was dreadful for them. They were terrified, weren't
they? You could see that. They were terrified, they were unsure, and they were very defensive
to you. I had a long-time patient that basically got really mad at my office because I'm not
wearing a mask and knocked on my door, accused us of being a Trump supporter. Honestly, I can't stand
Trump for a long time. So the fear is there, the uncertainty is there. It's clear that it was a
difficult time for you and the patients, but the whole thing was created and it was a fraud.
The whole thing was a fraud. There was no pandemic and there was not even a disease called COVID-19.
It was a failure of diagnosis. It was a failure of medical ethics. Every doctor in the world should
have known that this was wrong. To isolate human beings, you can see that with the, you know,
we were told at medical school that human beings are highly social animals and that if you
isolate babies in particular, they would die, but also children would die, take a bit longer,
and adults would die as well. So to isolate human beings is absolutely outrageous, and yet every
government in the world damn near did it together, and it was clearly planned. So I wanted, so this
is outrageous and we need to push back at these idiots who allowed it to happen or actually were
real part of the problem, forcing it, and I think that human beings need to learn from this that
they need to be humble and there's no place for arrogance from any human being because this is
much bigger than them. I think it's what happened in the past four years is political and it's
munchausen by proxy in a global scale. It is happening to this state. I strongly believe
there's going to be a financial climatic, climate economy soon, instead of being a health climatic,
and the universal base of income and CB, you know,
it's going to be pushed on us. That's another way of controlling us. So that's coming our way,
and that's what I'm telling everybody. So what I'm driving at, I just want to get a clear picture of
who is attacking you at the moment because then only when we know what is happening can we organize
our forces, you know, to do the right thing, to support you, to push back at these idiots,
and we need to find out the names of the people who've attacked you and we will write to those
people as an organization. But we need to get our ducks in a row and we've got access to lawyers
all over the United States, all over the United States, in particular Warner Mendenhall in Ohio,
and I can't remember, Brad Dacus, I think in California, I think he's a lawyer,
but there are others, and Ron Renz is another one, and I just wanted to know who is it who
actually closed you down? Do you know in your own mind the name of the person who is personally
responsible for closing your clinic down? It wasn't a specific person, it was a slow death
by a thousand cut. Basically I lost my insurance contract because I'm not wearing a mask, they
canceled my insurance contract, so I lost 50% of my income, and they took away my ability to document
a clinic visit digitally and electronically, and that was the last straw.
You also said, Dr Wang, that you said that there are lots of people attacking you now,
institutions as I understood it, but you still got your medical license.
I still got my medical license, and I also have medical license in other states in the US.
They're probably gearing up to take away your medical license from you, and what we could do
is at least organize with you through John and others to give them a real fight that they'll
never forget. I think the person that's going after me now is the Medical Board of California.
That's for my license. Just to let you guys know so you don't waste your time and energy,
I really don't care about my California medical license, they can burn it all they want.
But that's the point. We need to fight them anyway and present evidence and get them to answer it.
What's the matter, Charles? We're 10 minutes over, it's two hours 40,
people are leaving, we've got to finish. It's an important point. I'm trying to tie it up,
otherwise the meeting is lost. So I'm just saying we need to know what the problem is,
who's attacking you, who has attacked you, and we need to have some names so that we can write to
them personally and we can publish the letter that we've written. By now we'll be California
Medical Board. Sure, well we can work offline then on that. Yeah, all right. Thank you, Michael,
so much for being with us. Congratulations on your courageous journey. It's what we say most
doctors should have done, they didn't do. There are plenty of doctors on this call who did that,
plenty of doctors around the world. You're not alone by any means, so well done, and
all of us. Lots of lessons here from Michael. Stephen, thank you for organizing the group,
thank you all for your contributions, and have a beautiful Sunday. I think it's Father's Day in
Australia, first day of spring in Australia, first day of autumn in the UK, I think, and the US.
Is that, Stephen, first day of autumn for you guys? I'm not sure we've got a beginning of
autumn. The autumnal equinox is around the 21st or 22nd. Yeah, we define autumn as the
1st of September, so rather than the equinox. But anyway, happy, or we'll worry about that when
it happens, but for us in Australia it's now spring. Yippee! Winter is over. All right,
thanks everybody, have a wonderful Sunday, Monday. Thank you, John. And get a hold of Jeremy
Snavely, I put his contact info in the chat, have him email you the chat, okay? All right,
all right, thank you. Michael, thank you very much for coming on, and please email me if you want to
fight back, because we can organize it, but please email me, because otherwise I have to remember it,
and then it looks to you as if I've forgotten, but I haven't forgotten. If you email me, then you get
And then John Baudin, I think, likes to fight, so, and we know others.
We need men who are not pushovers.