So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International on Memorial Day
weekend.
Glenn, I wonder, just as we do this, just quickly for those who are not aware of what
Memorial Day weekend is about, can you just give us a one minute on what's happening this
weekend in the USA?
So Memorial Day is for all those that have fought in prior wars, but especially World
War II.
It's formally, it's the last day of May, May 31st, but it gets celebrated on the last Monday
of May.
So that'll be tomorrow, but a large number of people also celebrate it with picnics on
the day before Memorial Sunday.
So you'll see a lot of different things going on today, tomorrow, and then a few extras
will be on the formal day next Saturday.
One more part of it is the Arlington Cemetery gets going through completely and a flag gets
put on every single gravestone.
Wow.
Thank you.
Thank you, yes.
Honouring those who have given their lives is of great moment, great spiritual importance
in the spiritual war that we're in.
Anyway, welcome everybody to today's meeting.
This community was ignited nearly four years ago by Dr. Stephen Frost, a Welsh radiologist
with a passion for truth as a seasoned whistleblower and activist.
Stephen founded this group to champion truth, ethics, justice, freedom, and health in the
face of global challenges.
I'm Charles Curvesse, your moderator and Australasian passion provocateur.
Decked out in my red jacket, read the colour of passion to spark your own passion and enthusiasm.
And I remind you that the etymology of the word enthusiasm comes from two Greek words
in and theos, meaning inside God.
So when you are enthusiastic, you are as if you're in the mind of God.
I love that word enthusiasm tied with passion.
After 20 years as a lawyer, I shifted gears 32 years ago.
And for the past 14 years, I've guided parents and lawyers in addressing vaccine injuries
and medical failures.
As CEO of an industrial hemp company, I'm driven to innovate and activate the advocate.
And please everybody take an interest in industrial hemp because it's going to be a lifesaver
for humanity.
And I'm sure our guest today will understand the value of hemp and horses, but we might
talk about that in the Q&A.
Our group is a dynamic blend of voices from all around the world, not just doctors.
Many of us once viewed vaccines as benign.
Now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers with pride, awakened to new realities.
First time as you're warmly embraced, introduce yourself in the chat, share where you're from
and let's connect.
If you've got a podcast, book, newsletter or show, or you've got a conference you want
to promote, put the links in the chat so we can amplify your work and stay connected.
We're in the thick of a global struggle we call it World War Three with medical and scientific
battles among 12 battlefronts.
Five years into this fight with more to come, there's no room for weariness.
Stay strong, stay healthy.
And you can see that with the agreement for a new pandemic treaty and outrage on national
sovereignty that must be resisted.
But first you have to be aware of it.
And the USA wisely has pulled out of the World Holocaust Organization, sometimes called the
World Health Organization.
We urge all of you to be aware of the dangers because when Tedros announces a pandemic on
no basis whatsoever, then nationalities that have signed up have to comply.
So Tedros says lockdown, these countries will have to lock down.
It's an outrage.
It's an absolute attack on your freedom.
Science we know is never done.
It thrives on challenges and inquiry.
Some here believe in viruses, others see them as fiction and many are still exploring.
All views fuel our dialogue.
Our two and a half hour sessions are action oriented, spawning initiatives and collaborations
from the connections we forge.
Afterward, Tom Rodman hosts an optional Telegram video chat.
Find his link in the chat.
We'll hear from our guest presenters today, David Doherty from the UK, followed by Q&A.
Per tradition, Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes.
Raise your hand via the reactions tab to join in.
This is a free speech haven, appropriately moderated to keep ideas flowing.
Free speech is our weapon to safeguard human liberties.
If something offends you, own it.
We lovingly sidestep the outrage culture and its demands to silence truth.
Always be ready with an answer if somebody says, I'm offended David by what you said.
I've got nine standard answers that I have available.
Have yours ready and never apologise when somebody says, I'm offended.
We choose love, however, over fear.
Fear binds and sickens.
Love liberates, heals and inspires.
These twice weekly meetings are far from mere talk.
They have birthed real world actions and alliances and people who don't know those actions and
alliances say, oh, this is just a talk fest.
No, it's not.
A key tactic in our fight is exposing medical crimes on social media, rallying behind the
demand of medical truth now.
The slogan suggested by John Rappaport, it works, medical truth now.
And Glenn Macco, for the purpose of the recording, announced that James Thorpe, who's presented
to us on three occasions, appeared before the US Senate last week and pointed out in
a test of some 300 pregnant women who took the COVID jabs in the first trimester, 82%
of them had miscarriages.
Share solutions, products or resources in the chat to empower our community.
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We're thrilled to welcome our guest presenter, David Dougherty.
And I'm going to, for the purpose of the recording, share his amazing background, inspiring
background.
David, in 2017, launched the Horse Tech Conference with a sold out inaugural event at the Royal
Veterinary College in London.
The conference, reaching worldwide audiences via its free live stream, showcased the transformative
potential of cutting edge technologies for horses and riders.
The conference was enhanced by the Horse Tech Tour.
The inaugural tour included a visit to the Queen Mother Equine Hospital and an exclusive
preview of the Kurtz System at Kingswood Stud in Lamborne.
There's a groundbreaking 20 million pound monorail designed to pre train racehorses.
The Horse Tech Conference serves as a platform for exchanging knowledge and exploring both
emerging innovations and rediscovered ancient technologies.
It operates at the forefront of a transformational shift that will see medicine evolve into a
proactive, lifespan focused discipline, something dear to our hearts in this group.
The conference has been held in Dubai as part of the Dubai International Horse Fair, Ireland,
Cheltenham and San Diego on the eve of the Breeders' Cup, the world's biggest horse racing
event.
David says he's planning to announce the eighth annual conference and your participation is
welcome.
Watch and share all the presentations via the conference website, which is horsetechconference.com.
By the way, for those watching the recording, as you know, the notes, all what I'm sharing
with you are on the notes to the recording.
David studied medicine at University College London and co-founded 3Gdoctor.com back in
2006.
So, so that would be 19 years ago.
This was the world's first service offering fully documented mobile video consultations
with registered doctors adopting an open approach to innovation.
The company advanced M Health and Wellness Services addressing critical needs for accessibility,
quality, safety and patient privacy.
In 2009, David launched the Mobile Healthcare Industry Summit.
16, that was 16 years ago in collaboration with the GSMA, Continua Health Alliance and
the National Health Service predicting the rise of the M Health decade.
This era defined by the convergence of mobile technology and healthcare led David to coin
the term M Health.
By 2020, society's reliance on mobile technology had reached unprecedented levels with governments
leveraging mobile apps for COVID-19 lockdowns and digital health passports.
David Doherty's insights have been featured in outlets such as the BBC, The Guardian,
Time Magazine, The Telegraph and Harvard Business Review.
David offers private consulting services to individuals and organisations.
include leading brands across healthcare, mobile pharma and medical device sectors,
as well as governments, investors and researchers.
And as I said, his horse, the horse tech conference website is horse tech conference.com.
So David, thank you for joining us and Stephen Frost.
Thank you for creating this group some four years ago.
So let's dive in with open minds.
Of course, Stephen Wright, the famous US US comedian said, I used to have an open mind,
but my brain kept falling out.
Fierce passion and a relentless drive for truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.
David, we're in your hands.
You can share your screen if you wish.
No, no, it's fine. Just I'll go on video.
Yeah. So Charles, great work you're doing.
And it's great to see so many doctors increasingly participating in these type of activities.
Very important to share this widely with outside of the doctor community,
but also for doctors to come together.
I feel that they're a very dark place for a lot of them.
I feel it's very futile.
I'm going to share really my story of how I came to be aware of a lot of these things.
People like John Rappaport was on a call with me before the first lockdown.
And we told that I predicted the world was about to go into lockdown from my background in telecoms.
It was very easy to see what was going on there and how it started really for me.
There's always a children's hospital as a child with ill brother.
And I noticed that the doctors made a noise and they jingled.
And I didn't know why they jingled until the doctor preferred coins to my mother.
And my mom took the call.
As you all good? Sound all good?
Yep.
I heard coins and my mom took the coins and we went off.
And I thought we were using the coins to go down to shop and buy something.
But actually, we were going down to go inside this mushroom that I'd noticed.
And the mushrooms were sound insulation walls around payphones.
And my mom put the coins in and called home, told the story of what had been updated by the doctor.
And I realized then that there was billions of pounds worth of technology that were accessible by these telephones
that could connect this place with the most important homes, the most important clinical experts anywhere in the world.
And yet these things were down in the foyer where everyone was smoking and making noise and stuff.
And I was thinking, this should be on every bed.
So always telecoms and mobile phone, you know, and health care with very why are these two not communicating?
Later, I then was growing up, I was living above a vet surgery.
My brother was a vet and I got a place at medical school.
And when I went to medical school, I realized that like pages were the only thing people had then.
And I had a mobile phone because I had another business and I had a mobile phone.
I realized I had this connectivity.
One day I was going out from a dissection room and there was a parent trying to get in.
And there was a bit of security back then, but it wasn't a big thing, you know.
And so this guy asked me a question. He saw me in a white coat.
So he asked the question, could I take him into the library?
I asked him what did he want to do in there?
And he said, I want to research something.
And he actually had a sick child that was over the road in the same hospital that I'd been in with my old brother when I was small.
This is at UCL in London, which was the center of the European Rockefeller education system.
It's a pioneering school for that.
And so I took this guy aside and I said, you know, I can get you in the library.
I'll actually be getting loads of trouble, but I've got a better idea.
I'm signed up in the computer science department.
I'm going to go on this thing called the Internet and look all this stuff up.
I've got med, PubMed and all this access because I thought if I got caught taking a patient around the medical school library, it would be a big challenge.
So in I went with this guy at lunchtime, he then turned up with his wife.
They wanted to give me loads of money.
They told me I was a lifesaver that had helped the no end.
I was the best guy in the world.
My ego was really, you know, filled up by it.
But I was still thinking, what an absolute fraud.
All I've done is taken to the Internet and looked up all the stuff that was in their documentation.
It was there that I realized there was this massive gap between patients access to the Internet and doctors access to the medical information.
And we were shutting the door in the patient's face.
Now it's flipped the other way and the patients have more access.
So I basically spent a lot of time trying to work out how could you merge the two with information.
And obviously, there's massive, powerful organizations that don't want any of that because it stops them controlling the narrative.
So I started a service called 3G Doctor to let you video call the doctor.
It's the first publicly accessible service in the world.
And they would pay someone like £35 sterling, it was at the time, and they would basically fill this thing in called an instant medical history.
Whatever you use a computer to share their important medical information with the doctor before the doctor got to read, review that,
do any research, maybe on websites, links to videos that the patient might have submitted.
I basically produced this to doctors and I realized the doctors haven't got a clue what I'm talking about because they fail.
Even today, any doctor, any veterinarian that takes a mobile phone into an exam automatically fails the exam.
A lot of people don't know that that's a real barrier to doctors using information,
because when I'm sitting in a clinic today, the patients in the waiting room have all got supercomputers in their hands that are all broadband connected.
They can go on patient forums, they can watch videos, they can share videos, they can Google the ingredients in their shots or whatever's about to be administered to them.
The doctor doesn't have the same access to information.
So I was working to try and get medical schools to be the first in the world to take on mobile phones.
And it was through that that I met with Professor Dolores Carhill, who had been headhunted into UCD in a top medical school in Ireland to lead their translational medicine and some really cool initiatives they were doing.
And I was like, I'll come on board if you're going to do this.
So, OK, what we'll do is we'll put you, best thing to do is put me in front of final year students to give my lecture on mobile health care.
It was the first technology part of the syllabus.
I went in and afterwards they had everything running on Google documents and the students immediately give you feedback.
And the biggest feedback that came from all the students was, why didn't we get this on our first day at college?
This guy just showed us how to overperform in all our exams.
He told us how to use speech to text.
Why adopting that early is a useful thing, you know, in transcription engines, which we use now, like Siri and products like that, can stop them all.
You watch a doctor hen picking at a keyboard. It's just embarrassing, you know.
These are doctors who are going to be spending loads of time on essays and things like this.
Why not teach them early, put that as part of the course?
So then they shift me to all in people coming into the medical school.
And so I was given this lecture about how to leverage the tools of our time, the mobile phone particularly.
And to improve the way they educate themselves, but also readiness to take information from patients and help patients with information.
And when you got to that barrier, you realized it's very easy to see where the censorship works,
where the things we're not allowed to talk about happen and where people get in a lot of trouble when they do talk about those things.
A lot lost, lots of friends, family to speaking truthfully about things.
But one of the areas that I did to stay alive, really, and stop annoying people, corporations mostly, was I moved into the horse world.
I'd started when I was 10 years old. My brother was at a vet college in London.
He's he was doing a study on racing animals.
And the study was the predictive value of ECG in a racing greyhound.
And my brother was using an electronic typewriter.
I convinced my father to get me a computer so I could do the programming bit of it.
So 10 years old, I'm up at the college in London doing a study on the predictive value of ECG in a racing greyhound.
A friend of mine a few years ago invented this world's smallest ECG machine.
It started recording millions of ECGs and comparing them with diagnosed ECGs.
And this would just stick on the back of your phone like this.
You hold your phone and it sends your ECG to the cloud, but also calculates on the device.
That product we launched first for horses.
Because I said what we've done is we've actually created the perfect ECG machine for a horse.
A horse vet. A horse vet basically is dealing with herby force.
So cardiac health isn't a major concern.
But they overtrain the horses and an ECG allows you to collect things like horse heart size.
So with this innovation what happened is we didn't have to meet the CE medical marks.
So we could bring this mark that was straight to market in Europe for people who were veterinarians.
Doctors started buying it. Cardiologists started buying it.
And they were using it on their themselves and in their patients.
Here in Ireland, a doctor could hand a mobile phone to a patient and charge 27 euros for just holding a phone.
So it was the quickest way to make money.
But also it was really cool for polypharmacy.
It was really cool for looking at the you know beta blockers effects and things like that.
And so we had some enormous success by going horse first with that innovation.
And that kind of was the validation for a lot of the things that I've been doing since.
But you basically get a technology and you see if a horse can validate it.
A horse is a prey animal.
So it's worried all the time. It's got eyes on the sides of the head.
It sees the world completely different to us.
It sees it in like really high intensity and it sees it in slow motion.
And it has this incredible perception as an electromagnetic perception of the world.
So very sensitive to the moon.
So we have horses on lunar calendars.
We have high performance lighting systems.
You probably know about things like lasers.
Maybe you've used laser therapy in some of your work.
When you're using laser therapy you're electromagnetically charging light.
So I can get a light source.
I can electromagnetically charge it and it becomes a powerful laser.
It can help you concrete, diamond.
That type of technology when you apply that to lighting you get high performance lighting.
So you can that's simple.
When you do it to water you make the water into something that the ancient buildings are synonymous with.
So when you look at the best cathedrals in the world you'll see they have this very, very advanced, often deactivated water system.
That water system consists of a thing underneath called a cistern.
In Europe you can travel around inside some of them.
If you come to Ireland ever call me up.
I can take you to nine stories below a cathedral.
So a huge substructure under a cathedral.
The cathedrals are built on very important, they're an ancient technology that are built on very important lines in the world.
Horses can identify where they are.
They do not because of their sense of the ether.
So something that's completely discredited in human medicine for very good reasons economically for the health care and sick care industry.
But for the horse I can give a horse a salt lake and the horse will just naturally take me.
Without any Google Maps or any navigation technology it will take me to the best local source of water.
So I live on top of a historically an ancient well that the place is named after.
And the town I village I live in is actually named after the fact that animals would fight for the well because it was so valuable.
So animals have this instinct which is well known in Ireland.
Also where our cathedrals were built we used to have these giant trees.
Trees are selected by very good soil and water sources.
They kind of created them.
So our cathedrals in Ireland are built in a lot of places in the world.
They're built in these ancient very deep wells and sources.
So it's in understanding that type of thing that we can pioneer things which would get shut down in human health care or would get corrupted by corporatization.
So the best horses in the world stand on the best waters in the world.
And they thrive really well in it.
When you're looking at hyper elite animals you're looking at animals with the best technology, best brains in Japan competing against the best people in America.
And what we call traditions in horsemanship you would call in we would call in human medical trials pioneering clinical research.
It's only a tradition because someone did it 100 years ago and it still works.
So when you look at how they clinically validate new innovations in the human health sick care industry you realize it's a small group of patients.
Most of them have got comorbidities which are very complex and very poorly understood.
With the race horse it's all about prevention.
So they say if you call an equine vet you did a mistake six months ago.
So this is all prevention.
So when you try and make a preventative model.
So when I'm talking with companies like Apple who are rebranding they've publicly said several years ago that they're going to rebrand like they did when they launched the iPod and the iPhone and they transformed their brand from a computer company to a mobile company.
They said that they're going to transform into a health care company but it's going to be a preventative health care company.
Now researchers they've got fortunes to pay research on this and they've hired some really talented people.
When I was talking to the leader of the company he said you're right David the only validated preventative health care model in the world that's got any semblance that it could work is in the horse care market.
So that's very important because that means this is the most exciting opportunity for the world's most profitable technology company.
And how we embrace these things is when I came into mobile I thought brilliant we're now going to start sending out wireless signals we can make them really healthy.
And when you look at what you run away thing of corporations you know it's can I get you gambling can I get you chasing this and doing this doing all these silly things.
So I thought there was an opportunity to embrace health care and it just isn't possible with corporations just the way the investment works shareholders work.
So in the horse world we work the way ancient medicine used to work.
When you look at early.
Yes.
I keep going.
When you look at the patients what you'll find is that they're often by a very wealthy individual who just paid for some research universities were places where they would just get really high IQ people.
And bring them together and they didn't actually understand what these people going to do it was just a genius center universities have been turned into this these organizations to put inescapable debt on young people and ruin their lives now.
But back in the day they were this really tolerant think of new ideas and innovation.
So we look at the way the horse world works and actually still works like that.
And so some of the innovations that can come along in this market and so when when we launched our first event there's one guy there that spent 20 million pounds building a roller coaster to train his horses.
And similarly with the hyperbaric oxygen therapy units often they are put on a national stud by a benefactor someone who's used them personally in cancer care with children or their own children.
And they'll do it for their horses of pioneering that research.
So we're in a very great area where we can pioneer a lot of research.
And that's the area I work on them when it came to Kofi.
It was just insane because it was just so obvious how silly it was because we hadn't done one very simple thing that every horseman who knows anything about horses knows.
When a horse gets a respiratory problem it can share it very widely.
It's pulled up to about 100 yards maybe more because a horse can do this incredible movement.
It's got when a horse is running most people don't know because they haven't ridden a horse.
But when you get on a galloping horse if you put it on a speed treadmill it's really worth experiencing one day.
Come to Ireland I'll show you one of these.
You see this horse and he's running a full pelt on a speed treadmill.
The pressure that's coming through his nose he can't breathe through his mouth.
The horse can't.
So the pressure that's coming through his nostrils is the same as a fireman's hose.
Its lungs are the size of a bathtub, a big bathtub.
And every time that horse drives it breathes in and out like an accordion.
So it's absolutely anything that can optimize a horse's respiratory is what wins the race.
The horse runs and functions on his lungs.
It goes from a very slow respiratory rate which is always still when he's standing to when he's running as quick as you see a horse.
And so respiratory optimization is the key thing.
So they know a lot about respiratory health.
They breed for it.
They breed for lung capacities and abilities and windpipes and stuff like that.
When these people are describing anatomy of a horse that they buy they're looking at.
And so you see horses like Farlap in your museum over there in Australia and they'll go look at this horse and you'll see really people get obsessed about how the horses look.
Because you're seeing it's anatomical description of how its lungs work.
It's also using all that musculature to bring its lungs together.
Now when you look at that and you want to pioneer things in hyperbaric chambers for pediatrics where you're not causing every child to go blind.
You get very interested in elite athlete optimization and understanding hyperbaric chambers and how it works.
That's fascinating.
And when it goes into the market on the respiratory health what we find is you find that we have a thing if an infection comes in.
So in Ireland when Covid started there was a horse in Ireland called Galileo.
Horses often who are very dominant are named with astrology connection to their names.
Because the whole breeding industry here in Ireland and UK in the world was all founded by an astrologer.
So what happens is you find this horse was worth 300 million euros.
It had generated 300 million euros not as some ego project or something but in terms of revenues.
And so this horse just ate a pick of grass and a bit of hay and it generated 300 million euros.
So can you imagine the interest in making sure that wouldn't fall ill to a respiratory infection that could kill it.
So the incredible thing in Ireland is we have a horse that would be genetically almost identical to that horse but may have a small injury or just may not have the temperament to run.
But perfectly healthy just like its genetic sibling and that horse would be sacrificed.
It would be acceptable to sacrifice that.
And if you look back in the First World War you see lots of people like Reiner.
Reiner started the schools.
There was a veterinarian in World War One who wrote a lot of papers in this.
Basically what would happen is you had an infectious agent could kill the horses.
The horses are responsible for the military because they were using the horses to take all the weaponry and soldiers and everything.
So the horse had some considerable status.
What they would do, respiratory infection coming in, the first thing they would want to know is it contagious?
And they published papers on this in the First World War and they basically put a snot hood on the horse.
So you put a snot hood on a sick horse with the infectious agent.
Before we start treating this like a contagious thing, let's put him in a snot hood.
Let's connect the gunk and then let's put that onto a healthy horse.
Now they put it on a horse that had one of these conditions, you know, was uneconomically but was healthy otherwise.
And they would see if that snot hood made that horse sick.
So as soon as Covid came down, I emailed, telephoned up the chair of a major NHS trust that I knew very well.
And I said, I'd like to be your guinea pig for the snot hood.
I'd like to come in, use no PPE and be involved in letting this happen, you know.
And I'll see if I can, you know, take this.
Maybe what I need is hyperbaric oxygen therapy or maybe I need salt therapy or let's just let's just go because I'm perfectly healthy and I don't get sick.
So let's see if this is actually contagious. That wasn't actually done anywhere in the world.
Now the ability to mobilize people, maybe your people are on, unfortunately, for whatever circumstances, are in jail terms.
For maybe being, you know, involved in a crime, allowing those people to give back to society, take a snot hood from a patient or maybe serve patients who had Covid symptoms and see if they contracted it.
Rudolf Steiner, that's correct. Thank you very much, Matt. Just jump on in.
And so Rudolf Steiner published papers on this. You can see those.
So we have this opportunity to do snot hood practice.
Why didn't we do this in our hospitals? Because the money had kicked in.
This had aligned perfectly with another reset. If you look back to history, the resets are a common occurrence.
Populations kind of will themselves into it and a little bit of control is just needed to sort of take them on the way.
With this one, there was loads of pre-programming that was shown in all your movies, music industry.
So it was very easy to do this.
And what we've got to learn now is how do we come out of it? What are the solutions?
How do we work forward in this? And actually, look into animal areas is brilliant because it teaches you empathy for other people.
It also teaches you farming, which is why it's called pharmaceuticals.
Now, while I was at medical school, it became very apparent to me going in from treating animals that had been maybe run over or whatever,
brought into us in the emergency and then going into medical school the next day.
It was shocking to see how little we were doing on things like.
Worms, you know, just parasites. How little we've been taught, how little we've been taught about nutrition in the medical school education.
I was realizing I'm actually here with half wits and it's like the brightest people they could get an island and then they put them through this terrible alcohol induced education system
where they try and tell them that medicine is somehow things that you can make from petrochemicals and get patented and then sell as health care.
So we had this insane thing. When you look at the horse world, totally different.
None of that stuff goes in the horse toxicology and horses, incredible, even things like antibiotics.
So you saw you see massive personalization 30 years ago.
You'd have the vet come out, do a swab, go back, culture it, come back with the right type of antibiotic.
Did you ever see a GP do that to this day?
It's just, you know, random and they talk about things like antibiotic resistance, vigilance and things like this.
But, you know, there's lots of evidence that antibiotics weren't invented up the road at St. Mary's Paddington.
That story is just really silly because we've got records in old times of them putting cobwebs into horses wounds.
So the cobweb would have a mold on it.
So the idea that a lot of the things we taught in medical school that we're just told to accept is the invention of antibiotics.
No one ever thought of using molds in any way before.
A lot of them fall apart when you realize the history of veterinary medicine.
And that's why when you go into veterinary medicine, a lot of it can't be done at vet schools.
Now vet schools are following the model of the human market.
Again, disease care and they're taught very little.
They're very qualified vets, almost useless on an equestrian with an equestrian trainer.
You know, it's a good horseman.
There's very little need for a veterinarian.
And so this is a, you know, you want to look at preventative market.
This is what's going to have to come out of this.
You know, we've just got to the end of chronic disease.
One of the things I faced is a company friend of mine saw me with the ECG machine and said, David, I want to sell this product of mine.
I've worked out how to put a SIM card inside a glucometer.
So he got a glucometer and he put a mobile phone inside it.
And he went out and he raised 100 million dollars to make this product.
And I became the European distributor and got its first trial in the NHS.
And what I identified was something different to what they were doing in America.
But the biggest care thing we had was it was diabetic pregnancies.
So you had this incredible problem where you had incubators, you had life expectancy of the child, you had morbid, increasing obesity of the mothers, increasing age of mothers.
Went in. This product was just the best solution.
When I saw what they had done in the best hospital in the NHS, it was like Freddie Flintstone land.
The mothers were coming in with glucometers.
They were showing they were forgetting the glucometers.
They were forgetting their diaries.
They were forgetting their things.
And they were all coming in while they were going through their pregnancy.
Every fortnight, they were coming in for the alternate fortnight to do their diabetes care.
It was just being managed so bad.
And this maternal diabetes was just the biggest disaster.
And the complexities they were having with the births, the complexities they were having with incubators, intensive care units, future.
And so we came in with this one.
We said, look, instead of you bringing the patients in, you just give them a connected glucometer.
They go home and you see if they test.
You can call them up and say, look, so you spend your time proactively going to the patients.
At the time they were doing this thing where they put a connected glucometer in,
but they hadn't put any service around it.
So whenever there was a 16 reading on a glucometer, which were actually not that accurate either,
they would just send out blue light ambulance.
And so I saw how badly done the sick care industry was.
But we were still doing such good work with this that they invite me to go and talk at the World Diabetes Congress.
And so I took the thing and then some companies, corporate companies that had sponsored that,
heard that I was speaking, looked up what I was talking about and prevention and things like this,
and said, you just can't have that guy talking.
So the organizer of the conference, World Diabetes Congress, called me up and said, look, David, we just can't have you speaking.
I said, but you've paid me already.
They said, yeah, but you don't have to come.
I said, well, I've booked on my thing.
They said, how much do you want us to pay you not to come?
So I said, as a joke, they paid me that money and that was it.
I just thought, you know, this is taking the silver coins.
I'm going to tell everyone who would listen how corrupt this, they just see this as an unramped chronic disease.
If you when I was out in in in in in San Diego recently, I was staying across the road from Dexcom's new founder,
Dexcom's new office, the amount of diabetes devices that have been sold since the covid injection going into Beagle.
I mean, the share in the last few years has gone up 13 times.
The returns you'll get by just looking at anything that's lined with covid.
And that's got a lot of people saying, look, this is financial advice, David.
Don't bother. Don't bother telling people the honesty.
You're a jackpot here. You know, all the things this will create.
And I think that's where the morality of a lot of people have been lost.
They've lost their connection to humanity.
They've lost their connection to other people.
They think this is a game of collecting beans and becoming more successful financially.
And people are trapped up in their egos.
And I think doctors really fell for that.
You know, a lot of the people I went to medical school, there was no reaching them when this came on.
This was, you know, this was their retirement.
They were going to make a fortune on this.
And so many did. And they vilified their friends because, you know, I've had people come up to me and they've sat with me and they said, you know,
I'm really sorry what happened.
You know, I what I said about you and what I did about you is really bad.
But you know, David, I really hated you.
I said, why? Why not?
He said, well, I said, if I could just hate you and all my problems in life could get fixed and all my immorality and all the bad things I was doing and anxiety that I was feeling could be just got rid of.
But just hating you. I hate you as well.
Next thing, this guy's blubbing crying.
He's like, so a lot of people can't get these affidavits out there.
They've got to talk through networks like you're doing here with doctors.
You know, the COVID awareness thing here.
You've got to get people to start making affidavits.
And what was my part in this?
Everyone played a part whether you were silent or not.
I realized at the beginning of this that the way society here is, there was no one going to listen to me.
I'm a guy. What do men know about anything?
You know, the way the narrative in the media is done.
And I was so fortunate that Professor Loris Carhill was so prepared to go and tell everyone in the world what was really going on and how they could help their immune system.
And it was, you know, rather than me making a statement, I said, you know what, I'll just help this lady get as wide an audience.
And it was when I'd look on the Internet and just see where social media people get through things.
And there was a surgeon and she wrote a thing on a forum about how a village lady knocked at her door one morning and said, had a leaflet that she'd printed that Dolores had produced in Ireland, put on the Internet and been shared.
And she was at my door while I'm going to the hospital telling me with her poor education that I shouldn't take these jabs and stuff like this.
I was like, who is this crazy lady in Ireland?
I was like, this is reaching villages in India.
And so it was just phenomenal.
The doctors who went out there and told people this.
And I think people increasingly need to realize the great thing an animal does, it never follows an animal that's stupid in itself.
Now, if an animal has got more dominance physically, you go to war behind that one.
If another one's smarter for water, you drink the water that that one's got.
Humans really have to understand, you know, the people like yourselves that are talking and making people aware.
If you are ahead of them in this game, it's likely you're ahead of them on other things and you can point them towards shortcuts where they can find solutions.
Because it's very easy to terrorize people and terrify them about what they've injected in themselves.
The reality is no one really knows what was put in them.
People weren't keeping vials of these things.
There's no repository.
We tried to get one organized when it was happening.
But one of the things I knew right from the beginning with the horse thing was, you know, we have to deal with biosecurity on such a level.
It's so, so incredible because there's a gambling industry on horses as well, which is worth a trillion dollars.
And so biosecurity is very important.
When we looked at this, we said, look, this cannot be a real thing because the black market is not selling water pistols filled with COVID water.
And the politicians who are talking about this, they're not locking themselves up.
So they're not frightened of this at all.
So biosecurity always tells you that this wasn't real.
And then, yeah, just it's a great thing seeing more and more people acting, understanding their sovereign rights, where their law comes from.
You know, you've got to realize when you look at doctors, we have people come to me and they say, I can't trust any doctors now.
It's all gone. All my trust is gone.
I said, well, these ones spoke out, but there's not enough of them.
I say, OK, these doctors didn't go into medicine.
A lot of them did interviews to get into medical school.
They didn't go in because they wanted to, you know, cause this harm.
A lot of them, we've got to understand where forgiveness comes from.
And I think men aren't very good at this.
I think men want retribution.
It's just a natural instinct.
It's why the right wing plays to, you know, let's hang them up or whatever.
What we have, though, is we have women who've got the ability to see solutions,
which are, you know, can see both sides.
I'm actually writing a song at the moment and it's about Victor Jara.
We have Victor Jara as this communist leader from Chile.
And when they caught him, they, it's a beautiful song, but they caught him,
they took him into the football stadium and they actually his hands up with a hammer and they shot him.
And they made a hero of this man.
This communist leader, peasant that wrote these songs,
which were anti-church and usual things communism promotes.
And the man that made it famous in Ireland was a guy called Christy Moore.
So the song, we've got the original song and then what we've done is an addendum to it.
Basically, it says that all these years later, Christy Moore sung about Victor Jara in Ireland.
And now we have a right wing leadership coming in in Ireland,
where we might actually have someone like Conor McGregor,
a guy who fights in his underpants at UFF or whatever it's called.
And we might have him do what the brain crowd want and take Christy Moore,
who's sung about Victor Jara into our national stadium, break his hands and have him shot.
And I think this is what happens when you let left right politics decide the world.
You map your left wing to your female psyche, right wing to your male psyche,
and you just always have 51, 49% in the balance.
You never do something that's reasonable.
And I think what we have to learn is that we don't do this.
We don't go and bring violence to solve this because it doesn't fix it.
Instead, imagine we've got Victor Jara, had him see the problems communism had created,
that the things that were being done and censored, showed, opened his eyes up to that,
and then said, Victor, you know what, you're comparable for a lot of this.
You know what we want you to do?
We want you to write the song or resolution of reconciliation
so that we don't just come in and control this.
Because a lot of people think, you know, this COVID was a left wing female response to the world.
It was like panic, want to keep everyone safe.
These were all the key words that were used in it.
The males go, I don't want that.
But if we look at trying to solve this with a right wing male psyche,
we really fall into a silly thing because all the laws that were brought in for COVID,
they actually only worked because people abated by what was on the media.
I traveled everywhere on a plane, no mask, no protection, didn't ever do any of that stuff.
No one caused me a blind bit of difference.
I went about my life, I played seven nights a week in a pub, playing music, singing songs.
So it never actually affected me.
And I look at it and say, let me tell you, if it was a right wing leadership,
all those same laws that got brought in there, they would have been forced to the letter
because the right wing would have got the police and the military on the streets enforcing it.
A left wing, we were lucky that COVID was done in left wing
because people would have been pinned down and forced to conjections.
So yeah, I think this is the empathy when you teach your child.
So I wrote a book about this at the Horse Tech Conference Mock report.
And it's collaboratively produced by the leading people that are doing the hyperbaric chambers
or the salt therapy, that Richard Butterworth guy in Australia.
And they share the unique things that they're doing, light therapy, guys.
But I think what happens is when you bring a child up with an education of horses,
they don't go far away from the horse because the horses were involved in our...
We've lost you, David.
There's no point talking to him, but I think, Stephen, you're right, we've lost him momentarily.
It'll be off in a second. You watch, you go off.
I won't?
No, we won't.
Oh, you're there, David.
Keep going, David.
You dropped off at Richard Butterworth and his salt therapy.
Oh, yeah.
So in my market report, we've got all these chapters written by the experts in their area.
And what it does is a brilliant thing to educate doctors, to go back to basics and look at.
And the reason why it's so important is to understand that wherever we came from,
whatever history you've got of humanity, we came as a people that were with horses, most of us.
Those horses have such selection pressures.
I developed an IQ test for horses so I can calculate the IQ of all your horses.
So you might want to go to a sale in Kinland in Kentucky,
and there's 4,000 year old horses that are going to go for sale.
And I can give you a spreadsheet of all their IQs.
And you can tell which one you're going to...
And you can put that against other things like size, weights, astrology, whatever you want to do.
And you can make those calculations.
And then you can look and test those predictions in subsequent years.
Did that horse work well?
What was the attribute of it?
Did you have to train training because of these specifics?
We can look at those things.
But also, when I was doing these IQ tests of the horses, I realized something very fundamental.
It was that the horses have been doing that on us a lot.
So if you see a horse people in Ireland, you'll see people that horses absolutely love.
And they call them horse whisperers.
So people in my family, people like Dolores, her family, very famous horse whisperers.
And they would be people who go up to a horse and just do things which other people couldn't do in a year.
And you'd wonder why did that person do that?
And what you realize is a horse can sense all the pheromones, all the sensory stuff inside you.
They can test all your fears.
But basically, he's doing it like a sway test.
So many doctors will be familiar with people seeing the strength in their hand holding something that's poisonous
or something that's not.
And what you'll find with that is a horse can do everything in slow motion with you.
You can also see your electron field.
He's got this vision of you.
So this incredible thing happens with a horse.
And they've been able to do that with our ancestors.
And a horse can give a huge breeding advantage to a young man.
You see, if you were living in a village and you're in an agricultural environment
and someone came in with a fully intact stallion, and he had it standing in his back legs
and then roll over and lie on the ground, there wouldn't be a mother in that village
who didn't want that young man to spend some time with their daughters.
And so you have this huge breeding advantage brought immediately by the fact that
you've got command of an animal that should be scared of us, but has trusted us.
And so what you'll find is these people who are horse whisperers, they're not whispering to a horse at all.
The horse genuinely likes them because it identifies you've never hurt a horse.
You've never been a wrong one.
You've got a good spirit. You've got a good kindness.
A horse just sees that straight off.
So when I go into a hospital selling something, it might be that the sale would go
depending on how pretty my assistant was, whether my VC company had this much money,
how much debt we were all in, how keen I was to just get as much money for this
and reward the doctor that paid for it.
But when I go into a horse stable, it's very different.
I go in and I say, look, I've got this innovation that's going to help your horse.
It might be a music system or whatever.
And they will say, oh, could you give me a hand?
And they think I don't know what they're doing, but they say, come on.
And they take me to the most dangerous horse they've got.
And they walk me into basically a disabled environment and they watch what the horse does to me.
They take me to their most aggressive horse and they see that their horse comes up,
puts his nose on me, starts transferring electrons to me and likes me
and lets me do things with him, like hold his legs up and stuff.
And what they're doing is they're actually seeing that genuineness.
Now, we had that immolated food media.
You know, people saw those trusted Fauci's and all these people on the TV
and they had them holding children and they had them doing all these things.
They showed you how to get that bond between, so people saw that through TV.
But in real life, you can't trick a horse. No tricking a horse.
So it's a phenomenal thing to learn to feel your gut, to sense your gut instinct.
But a horseman, you'll see, no not to do stuff with horses.
This horse isn't right today. It doesn't matter what you do.
So there's these instinctive things, you know.
But when you see a young man on a horse, the horse has selected him.
It wants him to be on it.
There's no violence you can do to the horse.
Because the horse also has that amazing ability to just stop at a sixpence.
And it doesn't matter how good your grip is, you're over the shoulders.
And if you're in a rural environment, a hundred years ago, you didn't survive.
He didn't even have to walk in it. He could just leave you lame on the ground.
And so a horse has the ability to give you this massive advantage in the breeding of our...
And when you look at your ancestors, you'll find lots of that.
So a lot of our world was selected by horses.
We've gone away from the horses.
And we're now drinking chlorinated water.
We're now doing all these silly things with sun creams.
There's so many silly things we do.
If you go back and you just teach the basics of how to keep a horse.
You also learn empathy for something that's not you.
So you try to, as a child, you try to work out how does that horse think of this environment?
And if everyone's brought up with that type of thing,
what you find is they don't grow up to be these maniacal people who see something like COVID and go,
great, I can sell millions of masks to idiots who don't know they don't need them.
That type of thing just doesn't come out in a horse person.
You get a different attitude to it.
And then it's this understanding of fears.
You look at the COVID thing, it's all sold on fear.
Don't kill granny. Don't do this.
And so if all the people in society have learned fears, no horse people were scared.
They knew the horse wasn't catching it.
He would have caught it much quicker than me.
So yeah, there's a great lesson to be had in it.
And so I do a lot of this, but also, I think we have to understand where the origins of the human health care market came from.
Its origin story.
What people like John D. Rockefelt did for nutrition themselves.
Very different to anyone you've ever met.
Very similar to some things that are done with horses.
And so a lot of ancient history has been lost.
How do we rediscover it?
How do we quickly, clinically try that?
How do we validate preventative things?
You know, the problem I'm seeing with COVID now is a lot of people responded to it, saying, I have the solution.
I can fix you.
And you're just again dealing with fear, dealing with uncertainties.
And actually, you might well just be more corrupt than the people that push the pharmaceuticals because they didn't even know what was in it.
You have no idea what was in it.
So how are you treating a response to something you don't know?
And so I think what we go back to is the basics of where we got our energy from.
You know, where our water is drawn from, how we respond to each other, how we live without fear, how we make decisions practically, how we understand how breathing works.
If one single COVID jab, mRNA jab, had been put into a thoroughbred horse, it would no longer be a thoroughbred horse.
That's also a very important thing to understand.
Sorry, somebody said something.
No, keep going.
Yeah, so it would no longer be a thoroughbred horse.
Yeah.
They did say something, David, but it was someone not muted.
Okay.
So what happened is they did do that.
And they did that with several horses.
I'm not going to mention a country that brought their horses to another country, but horses that had been genetically doped.
We call it genetic doping.
And those horses came in with the genetic doping.
They did a thing on a muscle expression type of thing to try and make it more like a horse that it wasn't for distances and things, I guess.
And those horses achieved and then those horses were all destroyed and none of their lineage is of any value.
So the biosecurity threat for horses of genetic doping is very, very significant because, like I told you, there was a horse in Ireland called Galileo.
If it now emerged that Galileo had had a gene doping technique applied to him and his progeny had it, all of those progeny would be taken out of the thoroughbred stud book, 224 years, the stud book maintained and offered by the family that also do all the genetic testing.
That, that horse would not be in the stud book.
I would have a zero value as a thoroughbred.
And so, like billions of assets would be lost immediately from that genetic doping.
So people in the horse industry have to be very, very aware of genetic doping.
We've seen it before, 15 or years ago, and it's a huge biosecurity threat.
And so, yeah, it prepares you very well to see when healthcare isn't healthcare, it's sick care, when you understand how horses cared for.
It's also a great thing for children to learn how to care for someone, teach them life skill that's very valuable throughout life.
And I think it would just be fabulous for, you know, medics to do some time in horse stables as a, you know, as a selection process to go to medical school.
I'll just show you can do this with an animal like that, where a mistake can be made.
You know, if we are going to do genetic research and things, why not do it with the horse?
Well, we have the ability to own the horse and destroy the horse.
If you look at what a lot of people are doing in transhumanism, you'll find the most strange things are being done.
And we knew all about it hundreds of years ago.
You can look at the values of mules or henny's of different things that have been done to breed specific types of infertile animals.
And you'll see a lot of that is replicated with current breeding technologies being sold to people who are trying to have families to solve their need for a family.
But given them a problem down the line that their children may be far more infertile than they were.
And so a lot of this isn't validated.
And here we have not ideal opportunity.
We have the sport horse industry where you can do breeding technology.
We've got some people with participants with hands raised.
David, we have we'll have lots of questions for you, but spectacular for those for whom English is their second language.
The comment was made with the classic Irish skills that you have.
Your speed of talking was hard for them to hear, but that's OK because I can really listen to the recording.
But spectacular.
I've got nine questions here. I'm not going to ask you nine questions.
Stephen's going to go first. But the issue of water in Ireland is fascinating.
And I follow a guy called Paul Kings North, who publishes the Abbey of Misrule.
And he did a he did a pilgrimage on some 50 ancient wells in Ireland.
It was it was amazing. So you're reminding me, but others who understand water in Ireland and Jerry Waters will go to him shortly.
That was that was fascinating and nine stories under a cathedral.
I'm fascinated by that. And I'm going to share what you have shared with us up to this point with all the people involved in Tour de Horse in Australia and the and the race horse owners.
And it was wonderful, David, that that sharing it because that really helps me to understand.
I think many of us who don't know horses all that well, why equine therapy works, you know, why it has such a profound impact on kids, why it has such a profound impact on many adults.
You know, who told us here in these meetings, hey, when I'm when I need help, I'll go to horses.
So thank you so much for sharing your amazing experience.
Congratulations on your alternative thinking.
And there are many alternative thinkers here and there are many people with all sorts of weird and wonderful ideas in this group.
So welcome, welcome to this, Stephen, over to you for the next 15 minutes.
Show us your face and well done, Stephen, for getting David to come and share his views and then we'll go to the hand.
Stephen. Yeah, just two seconds.
So got it. Yeah, well, I'm vaguely there.
So, David, thanks very much for coming. What do you think that Dolores Carhill, so I noticed her in 2020.
And what do you think she noticed in you?
Well, when she first recruited me to the medical school, it was like we were given a there was a conference we were on and she just saw that we both talked them through.
And we've both understood our origin story.
A lot of people don't have high level thinking open to them because they've rushed into life and they've been streamlined through an education system, schooled.
And so, yeah, when people are different, it becomes very easy.
So your speed of speech is high, but your speed of thought as well.
So I used to get criticized from flitting from one thought to the other.
And I think you do that, too. I'm not criticizing.
I think it's just you. But and so lots of things, I think, are obvious to you.
And but one thing that you said, which I was a little bit kind of nonplus by was you said that mobile phones would improve medicine as far as I see.
So the patients had access to mobile phones, but doctors didn't quite get that.
Can you maybe explain that a bit more?
I explained that when I was coming out of anatomy room one day at medical school, a father costed me and said, can you help me?
Can you get me into the library? Patients used to have no access to information, medical information at all.
So they just now you said I thought you said I thought you said it reversed.
So now they have. Yeah.
But doctors don't have it now.
And I thought I was part of that reversal. So I was part of that reversal.
I thought this is a great opportunity. Let's change everything.
Let's get a computer science unit of these universities and merge it.
This new department, instead of having it in the basement of the building, let's have it up here with the medical school.
So I would give lectures. Dolores got me into UCD Medical School to give the first lectures in the world on mobile health and health.
This thing I coined, which was a convergence of the world's newest least understood mass media with health care, medicine.
And so it made it. But the mobile phones weren't themselves improving the quality of medicine.
It was the information which they could access. Is that right?
Not so much information you access the storage capacity on a mobile phone today is my entire medical school library.
If you told someone like I was telling people that we can put little memory sticks in his phones and we can have up to date.
And all these things, all these textbooks, medical textbooks, put it there.
And then what I found was you had to train the doctors to use it.
So I was working at the time with this incredible neuro neurologist, professor neurologist who's trained the most pediatricians in the UK.
His name's Professor Sam Lingham. I was working with him.
And I taught him how to do this stuff. And so I'd sit there with him doing a medical consult and he'd get people and they would just be I'd never seen a patient respond so well to it.
And what he'd do is he'd say, oh, this condition that the parent hadn't had anyone treat properly is you've been treated for the wrong thing.
What you have. And he'd say what it was. And then he'd Google symptoms.
He'd Google what the name of the condition was and pictures would come up exactly like that child sat before him and the parent and the child were like, wow, you're like genius.
And then I'd get a young doctor do exactly the same. And guess what?
The patients were like, the doctor's cheating. He's just using the Internet.
And so what you had to teach was when they saw a 70 year old man using the Internet, they were judging his clinical skills based on his use of consumer technology.
I used to be teaching at my old medical school and I'd say, if you go out there on the bus, there's kids with better phones than all of you lot in this medical school.
The last people in university with crappy Nokia phones were the doctors.
They were they were picked because they could they were grade eight violin and virtuosos on the piano.
That's why they got into medical school in the UK.
But actually, their understanding of consumer technology was so far behind.
And what patients were judging was, well, if he can't use his mobile phone, maybe he's that out of date with his medical technology, you know, with his understanding of medicine and his.
And that's what you're seeing here.
You had a thing with Covid where everyone was going, believe the science.
Hold on. Why wasn't anyone saying science is a faith based thing?
It's not supposed to be believed in.
OK, but people had never exchanged an email with their doctor.
So they didn't know that like this all just broke apart when doctors and patients use similar technologies to communicate with each other.
And so part of my work was to bring that in.
The doctors understood that because I see it as doctors are severely disabled by not being able to use the tools of our time.
We call it. Yes, but you could say that you could say that it's not healthy to want to push technology in this age that is taking that these mobile phones and computers are taking us away.
I'm not making excuses for doctors.
But but you could say that they're taking us away from humanity, you know, so computers mobile phones, they take us away from talking to other human beings.
And that's very dangerous, I think.
So I'm in a GP consult.
Most doctors are interrupted, like I just did to you, interrupt their patients for about eight, ten seconds and talking.
So there's very little where you saw how rude that was where I interrupted you.
They're doing it all day in day and out.
I didn't take it as being rude.
It was mentally I did it to show you what it feels like being a patient.
A patient has all the time in the world to give their history before they go and see the doctor.
But the doctors aren't receiving that they're not trained to receive information.
So when I launched 3G doctor, people like what's all the doctors would say, what's the point of that?
You can't even get a prescription.
I was like, this isn't for prescription needs.
The best place to get your care is a family doctor.
But we can help you with informational challenges you have.
A lot of patients go doctor shopping because their doctor isn't as accessible as whatever other bozos on the Internet telling them to do something different.
And so doctors miss, you know, the best doctor is the one you can access in most patients eyes.
Because why do I wait for something as important my health when everything else is online?
I could book flights around the world in 10 seconds.
You know, I can.
David, you could have too much information.
So, you know, some people are unable to kind of get away from all these rabbit holes and too much information stops them from identifying the most important thing when you're trying to get to a diagnosis in the doctor's world.
Yes, so I would suggest you go and look at a product called instant medical history.
When I launched 3G doctor in 2007, I integrated the world's most advanced patient history taking questionnaire into a mobile phone app.
And what that did is it took from the patient their history, help them gather their history.
Most patients don't know how to give a history.
If you give them a piece of paper and you say, right.
Yes, but that's exactly the job of a good doctor to take a good history.
So he needs to get close to the patient so the patient feels that he trusts the doctor so he can tell his story to so that the doctor can assemble a history because without the history you can't diagnose.
I've given great lectures on why instant medical history is far superior to a doctor's ability.
First of all, first of all, the history taking skills are lost because the doctors who have them have retired and died.
The most experienced doctors you'll ever meet in your life are in their 80s.
They haven't got time to be there on Monday morning talking to people about their sciences.
But the history taking skills are there.
Professor John Bachman wrote some fundamental papers that now you're talking.
Yes. So these history taking skills have been taken away from doctors.
Doctors have been taken away from patients and people advocating AI instead of doctors are missing the point because I can tell you when you are a doctor, you're suddenly a patient.
No, hang on a minute, David. You're a doctor and you're suddenly a patient.
What you want most in the world is not a brilliant doctor.
You want a doctor who you can connect with.
Okay, I'll give you an example.
You can't connect with AI.
I'm at medical school one day and I was walking down near Oxford Street and I was I see these guys in British Airways uniforms.
And I thought, oh my God, I knew they flew a helicopter in and out of New York.
Pan Am building, they used to get up on top of it.
So they thought they'd gone and put one of these in London, not told anybody about it.
Must be first class passengers getting on helicopters or whatever and going out the Heathrow.
So I followed them down the road. Where are these people going?
They're dressed up in uniforms.
Do you know what they'd opened?
They opened up a British Airways shop in Oxford Street and all the people working there were dressed up as cabin crew.
And you used to go in there and you tell them where you'd like to go on holiday, what day you'd like to go on, how many bags you wanted to take, how many children would be packing with you, when you might come back by what flights.
All of that was so complex.
Do you have people dressed up in an office in London like cabin crew?
Doctors don't have to take history today.
Patients can give their basic history.
This isn't AI.
No, they can't.
They can't, David.
You have to coax it out to the patients.
A good doctor knows how to do that.
But most doctors aren't trained properly nowadays.
So it's all been forgotten.
And it's very important.
Gary Waters is a GP in Ireland.
I'm sure he will say exactly the same thing as I've just said.
I talked to Gary about instant medical history 14 years ago.
Professor John Buckman produced the leading piece of research on it.
Instant medical history is not doing any diagnostic work.
Patients want to share their information.
They want it collected.
They don't know what information is important.
There's very good ones where Professor Lingham actually used to do it with pediatricians.
He used to say, have you ever had a patient with Botox poisoning?
He took a pediatrician and they would sit there going, Botox poisoning?
No one's had that.
Every single pediatrician in England and Ireland has seen a patient with Botox poisoning.
And that shows you how poorly they're understanding of the ability to take a history.
Some things when they're said the wrong way don't make sense.
You can write things in ways to patients to help patients give their history.
Doctors can put in the questions like Botox poisoning, relationship with honey, things like that.
And so there are certain ways, like not every doctor is going to want to ask every patient he ever meets,
have you given your child any honey?
Because it's just like, who am I, a robot asking this question?
But also there's a disconnect between time and space.
When I book on Skyscanner or British Airways website nowadays,
those questionnaires get me to pick a better flight, show me the packages, show me the seats, show me the variables.
I'm doing a lot of the work that...
But David, you missed the point.
The patient, if you like, most human beings don't have the capacity, the mental capacity to consider all the variables.
That's the point.
So you need someone who understands.
It's not someone.
So what I'm trying to tell you is that...
You embed the knowledge history taking skills of the world's best doctors into a questionnaire that people can use.
Well, who are the world's best doctors? We've got a problem with that.
People that have contributed to an idea as phenomenal as instant medical history are, in my opinion, the most advanced thinking doctors in the world.
And when you talked about how I talk too fast, OK, yes, there are gaps between intelligence.
When we're talking between doctors, we shouldn't be so dumbed down, someone's talking too fast.
If I'm talking a load of nonsense, the video will pick this up and people will say,
that bloke doesn't even speak basic English very well.
OK, so what we're doing here is there are intelligence gaps between people.
That was taken massively advantage of by this Covid Psy-Up that was done on everyone.
People like Jerry Waters, most people in Ireland, that guy talks way ahead of them.
OK, so that was used as a thing.
What would he know? Look at all the inventions that mad mocks.
This is a very, very intelligent man.
Most of society won't engage with him.
Most society, you know, there's about a 30 point IQ gap, communication IQ gap.
That's well accepted. OK, if someone's at this extreme like Jerry, most people won't accept him.
And that does, it's major problems for us.
It's why when you as a doctor said to your patient, well, don't go with an MRI untested,
unvalidated thing, they went, what are you talking about?
mRNA, I know all about that because I've watched something on the BBC.
So these are used against us.
Hopefully, when we're in a doctorate environment, you know, we can share it at different capacity and be a bit more judgmental.
But when I tell you that, you know, the world's best history taking skills have been embedded in this questionnaire and you say,
how do I know that the best doctors have done that?
I'm not talking the best doctors. Probably the best doctor didn't even know this thing exists because he was never taught to use his mobile phone.
He doesn't even know how to use a computer.
He just has incredible skills. But the ones that are high level thinking enough that they want to leave a legacy of their patient history,
like Professor Lingham working at Great Wall Street and introduced questionnaires with patients 20, 35 years ago.
OK, the piece of paper in every single pharmaceutical package in the world is because of something, a letter he wrote to the Department of Health.
That type of genius creates these things which we later use and are thankful that they're most of the people that invented all the things that we're talking on now,
the technologies that we're using are so autistic and intelligent that most of us can't even, they're just, you know, banned them.
So we're lucky, unfortunate, these people have created these things for us.
The ones that can think that my history taking skills are so good, I have to embed them in other people's questionnaires.
So he started doing this at Great Wall Street because he would have patients coming in, waiting months to see a professor of pediatrics.
And he's thinking if we just post this letter to them and they post it back.
And what he also found was you can go and gather things like genetic data much better, you know, wait till Easter, all the family around and ask,
did the auntie have any psychiatric? Did she have any inborn? Did they lose any children when they were in their family?
Those types of information can be gathered by parents, but they can't be gathered in a meeting in Great Wall Street because that mother with that sick child
probably doesn't know what Auntie Mabel's five children had died at birth died from or anything about the pregnancies of her grandmother.
But you can gather those on a questionnaire you send out to the patient.
And he was doing this in Royal Mail Post, right?
So he's a very intelligent doctor and all the people around him he's putting their questionnaires in.
So it's not the best doctor in the world. It's the one that was most forward thinking.
That's how you get yourself. Humans are people are looking to solve problems.
Some of these people got incredible problem solving capacity.
And when we shoot them down and say, you know, you can't with a questionnaire take a history like me.
Well, I can show you a doctor who can take a better history than anyone.
And I know how you used to do it. You used to get his interns to come in with him and he'd get the patient to do a questionnaire in the waiting room.
He'd get it sent in the output of it sent into him.
He'd write on the bottom the output of what was wrong with the patient and what should be done with the patient.
He'd see it up, put it in an envelope, send it back out to the patient.
The patient would take the envelope in. He would see a new medical graduate.
The graduate would sit there taking a history from the patient, take an hour and a half taking a history, writing it all down and come up with a conclusion.
He then open up the envelope and see that Alan Wenner, the doctor, had actually done this already with this very patient without seeing the patient.
So you will be surprised at the capacity for patient history taking tools.
Well, David, at a time when we didn't believe anything that the politicians were telling us in 2020, those same politicians are pushing AI instead of doctors.
Just because many doctors, most doctors in the world have done the wrong thing in the last five years, tells me that human beings have, including doctors, have a predilection for dangerous cults.
It doesn't mean to say that we trust AI instead of doctors who are deficient, obviously.
I'm going to get positive about stuff. I had a company called 3G Doctor that was replicated by an AI company called Babylon Health.
Why don't you address what I've just spoken about, David? Why don't you just say something about that?
It's horrendous what they did. They stole all the NHS patient records.
So why should we trust AI instead of doctors?
I've actually never said to trust AI.
Use AI with a horse.
With the enormous power of a computer, human beings have to be careful with it. That's my only message to you. But anyway, Dr. Gerry Waters.
Thanks, thanks, Stephen. All right, let's go to Gerry.
Gerry, Gerry, Gerry.
Yourself, you're looking for your own music, Teb.
I'm glad you know.
Hiya, David. I don't know whether I have to introduce myself or not.
But I'm a very good friend of Dolores Cahill. Dolores, when this whole thing blew up, it was very, very good to me and spent a few hours doing tutorials with me to fill me in on the whole concepts of the sort of viral end of things and the concepts of the PCR.
Because I was the, well, I was the only doctor in Southern Ireland to be struck from the medical register for refusing to give the vaccine.
I wouldn't go along with the masking. I wouldn't go along. I wouldn't go along with the social distancing. I wouldn't go along with anything.
You know, the whole pandemic scam and said so. Like you, I totally, absolutely believe that it was a psychop and it was the whole idea of it was to introduce the vaccine, to terrorize people into the vaccine.
And unfortunately, I believe the vaccine is an effective call of the population. So that's not an easy thing to say, particularly to people who have been vaccinated.
And when people, people would constantly say to me, yeah, but Jerry, I took the vaccines. What do I do? And we say, you've got to hope you dodged the bullet.
And you know, the manufacturer of the vaccines were so haphazard and the administration was so haphazard, you have to pray and hope that you dodged the bullet.
And, you know, so that's the consolation. Just talking, you know, getting down to what Stephen was saying. I'm not going to get into an argument with you.
But I believe, you know, I know what Stephen is saying, but I also agree with you. You know, the idea of a good medical history is following the clues and, you know, sort of interrupting patients.
You kind of have to, you have to stop people and you've got to follow them down. They're going to drop the breadcrumbs. They're going to drop.
And a good, a good, a good diagnostician is one who can actually follow the clues and you get a small clue and you follow that line.
And being smart in medicine is about following those clues and knowing which way to go.
And unfortunately, sometimes you have to sort of derail the conversation so as you can get, follow the clues to your diagnosis.
I've always claimed that the diagnosis is the science of medicine, the diagnostics, diagnostics at the science of medicine.
And I believe that could probably be done by a computer quite successfully.
I would say now the interventions and the therapeutics is different because people unlike horses and people like horses, maybe very like horses, have such diverse personalities and they've such different environments.
And they've got so many psychological scars going back to their childhood.
So, you know, the interventions have to be an art, but the diagnostics, I believe, the science, I think that could well be handled by computerization.
Incidentally, I'd be interested to know where the this this nine story well in the cathedral in Ireland is, as soon as I live here.
And, you know, I, you said when you come to visit Ireland, I don't have to come to visit Ireland.
I'll meet you someday and we'll have a few points.
Have you never been under the cura?
I almost live on the cura. I live in Selbridge.
I said, I know where you live. I said, have you never been under the cura?
No, I've never been under the cura. I've slashed across it on motorbikes for them.
I've never, in all sorts of ways.
No, I've never been under the cura.
A lot of children would have gone down there.
A lot of army kids would know about what's under some of the things that are underneath.
Absolutely.
I'll take it. I do ancient, ancient Irish horse tours.
Take place like the Irish national stud and show them what this genius astrologer, Sir William Hall Walker, did.
What some of his work.
You'll find it's exceptional. We're the land of the horse, the home of the thoroughbred.
Absolutely. Your accent, your accent is exactly Irish or what part of Ireland is it?
I'm from Belfast.
I'm from Belfast. I spent my childhood in London.
When I grew up with a big family, I had an Irish accent at home and they gave me extra marks at medical school for doing it in my second language.
But we also had a square mile at the time set up.
And if you had an Irish accent, the police would abuse you tremendously.
And so I've tried to follow because you've lost to Belfast twang.
That's kind of good.
Well, if they need me to slow down talking like this, could you imagine I was talking with a Belfast accent?
Absolutely. It's for the my father was from from Uri, which is, you know, Warren Point direction.
You actually only heard his accent, his Northern accent when he was on the phone.
Funny enough, you know, we never heard his Northern accent until you talk to him on the phone.
And suddenly it came out over the phone, which was quite amazing.
But getting back to horses, I lived for 12 years in Castletown House in Selbridge over the stud over the stud area and the stables.
So I've lived with with horses and my kids have all lived with horses and I've ridden horses.
And I wouldn't say it was a horse whisperer, but we tend to get on very well with horses.
And the crazy thing is I had to go through the stables to get to my apartment in Castletown House.
And on many, many occasions I walked through to find my children walking between the legs of horses, these massively powerful animals.
And it's only when you're up close to them or you go out, you know, cross country, cross country events or that, you don't have to see them going over the pre-science, you know, seven feet jumps.
But the cross country jumps are six feet high, three feet wide and made out of telegraph poles.
And the bloody things are jumping over them with somebody on their back.
It's only when you see that that you realize the sheer power of a horse and the majesty of them.
And yet my kids would walk between their legs in the stable.
And to the best of my knowledge, none of them were trampled on, but perhaps maybe maybe maybe that's what some of the brain damages are due to.
But overall, my kids were never ever damaged by a horse.
They were damaged doing lots of other things, other stupid things, falling out of trees and that or off chimneys.
But overall, my kids never had a problem with horses.
So I, like you, would absolutely adore horses, even though I've never bet on a horse or I don't get involved in the horses.
And the funny thing is, I remember 40 years ago, a local vet or not a local vet, a local trainer, come owner had a problem with horses blowing blood vessels.
You know, the way they blow blood vessels in the races.
And he asked me, what would that be? And I said, well, maybe it's the blood pressure goes up.
And maybe you're talking about the respiratory rate and the heart rate and that goes up.
I said, maybe the blood vessel goes up. I said, what would you do with that in a human?
I said, how would you bring down the blood pressure in a human?
You know, you'd use an ACE inhibitor or a beta blocker.
I said, maybe we also use a diuretic like Lasix.
And he said, well, could you give the horse Lasix?
And I said, well, I have Lasix. I don't know. I have no idea how much you'd give a horse.
Anyway, this is what he said to me. But you realize if you gave the horse Lasix, you know, you could lose your license.
I said, it doesn't matter. I don't have a veterinary license. I have nothing to lose.
So we gave the horse Lasix and it won.
It didn't blow the blood vessel. So I can't say who the trainer was and the other one.
But the bloody horse won. Talking about water, the next morning I went to visit the horse and it looked like a wet towel hung across a clothes horse.
It was absolutely shagged. And it took about three days to get the fluid back into it.
Perhaps I'd given it two or we'd given it two emotional Lasix.
I have no doubt that was probably cruel, but I didn't know how cruel it was. The horse was fine afterwards.
Here they give horses drugs. Water on most horses.
Most of the horses there near you will be using municipal water.
The people giving them water to the horses are insane.
They have a hindgut fermenter and they're giving it chlorinated water.
And if you take the horse, the horse will do Coca Cola Pepsi challenge on water all day long.
So that guy who's going to Wells, I take water from the best wells in Ireland and bring it to racetracks.
It's way more effective than Lasix.
If you've got dehydrated horses, which is what they've all gone and done, they all go and try and cheat with Lasix.
Oh, you see, I hadn't, well, it's 40 years ago. I hadn't a clue about that, but it sure worked.
Well, you shouldn't. What you're doing, you're doing what human medics do perfectly.
I am a human medic.
Try and patch a solution with a treatment instead of thinking, OK, he's not always trying to race.
Most of his life is spent in training and recovery.
So improve the quality of the water overall.
If that means you've got to move. So a lot of places in Ireland that the trainers have to move now because it's a very good example of where we're seeing poisons.
We're seeing fuel crops grown across Ireland.
And what's happening is the horse trainers just give up.
You cannot train a winner with that fuel crop in the field.
So they move the horse.
Meanwhile, the local school, they if you go to a local GP, every kid in there is on antihistamines.
Oh, yeah.
That shows you that the horse people just go have to move.
I had one and he said, OK, David, this is a complete nightmare.
And instead of giving him the medical answer, because I grew up with animals and in a vet clinic, I gave him the veterinary answer.
You know, the vet, the answer is don't bother moving.
Just buy loads of pigeons.
They won't grow any fuel crop next year if you have a hundred pigeons and actually a lovely things to have around the farm.
So you can beat these things.
And that's that's what the environmental learning is.
Medics are fine to just give the antihistamine patch, stop all the kids doing this.
Well, if the horse trainer is moving and we should use horses like canaries in the mine, instead of looking for a quick fix, we've got to look on that prevention angle.
So please don't ever prescribe medication to a horse.
Oh, I have nothing to do with horses.
I have nothing to do with horses.
Anyone listening, anyone listening on the Internet, please don't ever do that.
Come to me. I'll give you free advice, much better things than doing any of that.
And I'll show you how you should be prevention focused and long term focused.
Some people think it's such an easy fix.
I'll do this. And in a veterinary capacity, there are therapeutic reasons to do it.
But when you're you know, you haven't got your test levels, toxicology in a horse is incredibly high.
You know, you can have a couple of tablets that a patient can eat.
No problem.
Now, we have this stomach acid thing going on.
They don't. So there's loads of reasons not to do things with horses that we do just.
But it means there are canary in the mine.
They are perfect canary in the mine for finding out ways.
You know, what's the better water to drink?
Well, if a horse takes you there, you'll be sure to be it's a safe water and things like this.
So we're going to move to our.
Can I just ask David, have you read the book How to Read Water by Tristan Goully?
How to Read Water. Have you read that book?
Yeah, yeah, I read most things on water.
I make the world's best water.
I'll start on any test on the world's best water.
I've made the best world's best water and we've had millions of pounds won by horses running drinking that water.
Yeah, I make pretty good water after a couple of pints with Christy, with Charles and that.
Or John.
We do electromagnetically charged water and we can source it from different.
Ionized, ionized water, is it?
No, what we're doing is we're electromagnetic water.
Think of it as magnetic.
Like when you magnetize light, you get laser.
When you magnetize water, you get a magnetized water that's very powerful.
Which pole, north or south?
I've got to admit I don't understand magnetizing water, but there's a lot of things I don't understand in life.
Well, imagine the churches, the way they would use these massive steeples
and they would use incredible amalgams of things like mercury and gold to harness energy to bring into the water that was in the system.
And most of the churches in Ireland, they're tuned.
So my local church is tuned to G1.
I play music in the church. It's tuned, frequency tuned.
And it's also shown in the somatic pattern.
When you look at the front of the altar, you'll see the somatic pattern for G1 is actually in the stained glass windows above the church.
Where do you live? Where are you living?
In a place called Dingle.
I know Dingle, yeah.
St Mary's Church. Yes, St Mary's Church.
St Mary's Church, Dangarney Cush.
Okay, come on, you two have to have go have a few pints.
But David, I had some Guinness with Jerry when I was in Ireland in February of this year.
And when I went to the Guinness talking about water, you know, the quality of water, where is the water for the Guinness factory come from?
The mountains just beside it?
It was originally, it was originally through Selbridge.
Selbridge, where I live, is the centre of Guinness.
That's where Guinness originated.
And Arthur Guinness is buried just out of Selbridge.
Selbridge and Guinness and the Guinness family are inseparable.
Love it. All right, everybody.
What's your water?
Look up magnetised water. David was, you know, get some more information.
I'm fascinated by that because I've known for a long time that water is the key to your health and obviously to horse health.
Thank you, Jerry. You two need to get together.
We'll make that happen.
Marv is next from Oregon, I think, downtown Oregon.
Correct, Marv?
Yeah, Salem, Oregon.
Hey, David, I've never told this story.
33 years ago, I was in a treatment program, recovery from alcoholism.
And part of the program was to accept and use, believe in a higher power.
So anyway, I'm leaning over this corral with this horse in the corral.
And this is a 200 acre ranch in western Oregon, in the mountains in western Oregon.
And I just kind of was talking to myself and talking to the horse.
And I said, well, if I believed in a higher power to help me with recovery, it would be something like you, this big horse.
And the horse was about and maybe 15 yards away.
And what I said that or I said, could you help me with recovery?
And the horse turned and looked at me and then came over and did just what you said.
It's it it punched me in the chest with its nose.
And then about a week later, I was given the run of the place because I understand tractors and new tractors.
And that horse for six weeks, that horse followed me everywhere like a pet dog.
What the hell was going on, David?
You were chosen by it. You were chosen.
That horse wanted to help you.
Everything we do is always for the self-interest thing.
Horses are similar, but they think.
So they understand it. They read our thoughts.
They don't understand our words, do they?
They're brighter than you think.
So one of my friends has actually written a book about how a horse communicates with you using its ears.
So there would have been things you saw with his ears, what his ears were doing that you just took naturally.
These are instinctual things.
When you've been selected by horses like your ancestors will have been, you actually have these innate skills in you and a horse can sense them.
So your ancestors lives were determined by and saved by horses.
Their fields were plowed by horses.
Their enemies stayed away because they had horses.
When their enemies decided to fight them, your family sat on the back of those horses and fought them.
So your connection with horses is very deeply integral to your life.
And so these horses can wake that up in us.
We can wake it up in horses.
You know that that horse exists is because people got out of bed early and fed him and looked after him and bred him well.
And similarly, he blessed the people that brought him to this world.
And you'll see those horses from America.
You look back on their bloodlines, you'll see 23 of me is a really horrible thing that's just stolen everyone's genetic data for all the nefarious reasons.
But in the horse world, it's phenomenally powerful to know where these horses were bred from and their history.
And that's kept by very good horsemen.
They often haven't they haven't got TV channels and stuff like that.
We can go and find them.
Then we just sort of hang out of horses.
It's easy to find.
We have markets in Ireland all over Ireland.
You can go to start you see these crazy people that could be in the technology industry.
I'd be in places like Silicon Valley and I would meet these incredible CEOs and these companies and they'd say just really entrepreneurial, invented people and they say, do you know why I met you?
You know why I wanted you to come here?
And I say, yeah.
He said, no, you don't.
I'd say and I tell him the exact reason.
It was just like what you said there.
And I tell him something that actually happened to him.
And he'd say, how on earth did you know that?
And I said that, well, you don't have any relationship with horses.
And I knew there was a reason you wanted to meet me.
So you had a connect.
So horse tech talks to very small niche of people.
They're people that haven't got so carried away with technology.
And, you know, that it's completely clouded their vision of the world.
Horses teaching manners very quickly.
And so there's loads of that.
But also an entrepreneurial illness.
So when I go down and I put a water system into a stable, I'll put on it the details and a QR code and a link and my telephone number.
And I go to the best hospitals.
A friend of mine does the plumbing for all the best of best hospitals in Ireland.
Can't get this product sold to any of them.
They don't want to buy it.
They buy bottled water, which they supply to patients in plastic bottles.
So unhealthy, dead water to all the patients.
Our solution would be we'd put a system in for the hospital and the nurses would be taking the water home on the bus in their cars to feed their families.
The water would be so good.
And the hospitals just can't get the idea of it.
But when I bring it into a horse stable, I put it there.
I come back to do some maintenance on the system or whatever.
And they say, oh, David, don't bother talking to me about how well the horses are doing.
Everyone knows they're doing great.
But go and see Barry over there because his mother's had a C.O.P.D.
reversed by the water.
And so when you realize the horses are stabled on the best water sources in the world.
So over in America, you've got Kentucky, the bluegrass, very famous areas.
You'll go to these places.
They've got six wells.
They've got the legendary distilleries.
They're on the site of, you know, the best brewing companies in the world.
So Victorian times, they knew about water, very advanced ways.
I'm from the west coast of Ireland, so I'm a tunneler.
When I was in London, they thought I should dig tunnels.
So I've been under the city of London.
I can take you walks, stories under London.
I can take you under the Vatican City.
There's loads of subterranean things.
And there's water sometimes.
And so there's a huge thing to where this water is created.
Most people have got the wrong story about water.
But yet the horse is telling you a very important thing.
And in your case, it helped considerably.
We have this connection through our forebrain.
When I'm doing IQ tests on the horses, I realize the horses have been doing IQ tests on all our ancestors.
Because if a horse can come up to you and gather your IQ really quickly
and tell whether you're a danger or a predator, it boosts its survival rate considerably.
So why wouldn't it?
And when you look at all these people saying, where did this come from?
Why did all these people say, where did this explosion in human IQ come from?
Why did these people, agricultural people, start studying astrology and the origin of things and theorizing things?
And they were very intelligent before industrialization nations happened.
So they were very intelligent. Why did they get this explosion?
Surely these intelligent people, the few would be pillarized by the others.
We just want to get on with making the farm and surviving.
And if you look at, well, a horse selected them.
So it gave an environmental pressure for intelligence to develop.
That's, you know, the attractiveness of someone with very high IQ is often not very considerable.
Most women think they're complete pains in the arse.
They think all the time. They're always doing crazy things, inventing insane stuff.
Whereas a horse just loves. You watch a really good horseman.
Watch yourself with the horse, the fun the two of you can have.
You know, you get up on a horse, you have great connection.
It's because the horse is trying to make you really enjoy yourself.
But also he can put ions in you. He's perfectly, he's perfectly earthed.
So he understands electromagnetics like you couldn't imagine.
I've had people with stories like yours and you know what they say?
It was even better. They say, you know, you told me about that electricity thing.
I like heard another voice in my head from that time talking to me and I say, yeah.
And then I tell them what happened to them.
And some people will have very unusual things with lightning.
A horse will get them and do something to move them away from a gate post that then gets hit.
Horses feel where electromagnetics are. So they're very sensitive to that.
And so imagine a horse taking you off a gate that then gets hit by lightning bolt.
So, you know, are you that? But they are that connected to the ground.
They can feel earth lines. You know, you put power lines under the ground.
A horse, you're really ruin the grass. You're really like to cause a lot of toxicity.
And we have a really silly one that's going on the moment in Ireland.
Someone, this is really classic case of how badly trained the vets are now becoming.
Just like doctors have successfully, they succeeded with doctors now to doing vets.
All the best vets I worked with were grandfathered in.
So their father was a vet and then he'd become, took over his business.
And with the with the the guys on this one, they all top seed a horse.
So they're doing all these weird vaccines and all that now.
They're putting them in the horses and horses are getting sick.
And the owners losing this really valuable animal.
He said, what happened? No, I can't have this ever happen again.
So they all top seed a horse and they pull open the guts and they find the sycamore seeds.
Oh, they're toxic. And he's eating them.
So there's farms all over Ireland and Jerry will confirm this.
They've chopped down all the sycamore trees.
Now, they're a brilliant tree because they produce this certain type of year.
They feed loads of birds.
The horses never eat them.
But a sick horse will go up and eat sycamore seeds because he's just trying anything.
A horse can't throw up. A lot of people don't realize that.
He's got so much muscle around the front of his chest.
There's no throw up capacity.
So a horse will eat those and then you'll find them in it when it dies.
So it's this causation, you know, thing that we had with Covid thing,
that no one would get their head around.
All the vets have fallen for it.
But also some people go, they're not corrupt, are they?
And I go, look, whether they're corrupt or not, it's the best get out of jail free card.
If I've just treated your horse and then he drops dead and I can cut him open while you're watching
and pull out some sycamore seeds and then you just busy yourself chopping all your sycamore trees down.
I've just got off whatever I've been doing with your maybe, you know,
giving it a shot of something that it shouldn't have been given.
And so there's, you know, this is happening in the veterinary world and we're seeing it.
And the good horsemen are going, wow, these guys are crazy.
My horse would never eat sycamore seeds.
So the fact that a horse is eating them, there's something else wrong.
And I once had a condition and it was really classic example where the where you wouldn't have worked out in human health care.
I had a water system put into several stables in as a research pilot.
And the other stables that this man had with his other horses, all of the same water source,
but just not on my electromagnetic system I set up.
They were all unaffected by the water, but we did it double blind.
So the trainer himself didn't know which horses were on it.
Right. Next thing I get a call, the horses legs have all gone like elephants.
Right. Race horses worth millions of pounds.
They disaster. Can you get here ASAP?
So I'm straight in the car off to this place.
I'm like, this is going to be a big nightmare.
I go in the first stable he takes me into.
We've had no water on my system into any of these horses.
They've all got it. So I said, first of all, it can't be the water.
He said, why? It's a full of pipe. Doesn't go in here.
This water, it's nothing to do with me.
Straight away we go. We find he's using a haylage product, which has got mold in it.
Now you would never work that in human health care.
When you look at people on a clinical trial, there might be 80 people that they do this clinical trial on
and then apply the results to millions of people all over the world.
You didn't even know what those 80 people were eating.
One of them could have been chomping away on my past food all day.
So the clinically controlled environment you have race horses in is just enviable.
It is literally the gold standard, the role of the clinical trial.
So it's beautiful that you had that experience and it suggests that you spend more time with horses.
So if you look up your local Faro bread race horse trainer or breeder and go and volunteer down there,
say there are any mornings I can come in and help because you'll have other horses call out to you
and you'll be really sensitive to that and big congratulations on your recovery.
Well, this has been an excellent talk. This has been a great talk, David. Thank you.
Thanks, Mark, for sharing that. That's a powerful, powerful story.
And the fact that you haven't told that before is powerful. So thank you.
All right. We've got Jim and Andrew.
I don't think anybody would believe it.
David, no matter. See you in Ireland. I'll show you some stuff in Ireland.
Get to Ireland.
Okay, Jim.
Hey, thanks very much. Great, great stories.
The Dolores, Dolores Cahill, I guess everybody knows Dolores. She's a good friend.
She had a company that actually tests what's inside vaccines, all the things they call adjuvants,
including the poisons. And she might be able to tell you what's actually inside these things because she knows what's inside everything
from the Gardasil vaccines to others. And in the United States, it's previously been illegal to test, test what's inside vaccines.
Hopefully, R.F.K. Jr. will open that up so that we can actually test what's inside these vaccines.
My thanks very much for bringing up the water.
And I wanted to know your thoughts on the your water and how it may be anti-parasitic.
Or if you think that that is such a thing where the where the water is actually anti-parasitic,
some by the methods you're using to keep it clean of parasites versus if you use things like chlorine dioxide to clean the water.
Are you familiar with chlorine dioxide and then versus ionized water and safe sources? Thanks.
Yes. So first of all, novel virus, novel virus meant clinical trial, which meant they were allowed to change the ingredients all the time with Covid.
So very different from Gardasil and all those things. They had to be the same.
So the repository on them was really easy to collect on something that was changing all the time.
And then they give license to the manufacturers to completely change that product every time it shipped.
So that's completely insane. Right. We should never let that happen. We did. We're not beyond that. We should never allow it to happen again.
It's an insane thing to be. But also, if we are ever going to do anything, repositories have to be put in.
There is no time to not collect this stuff. You know, it should be no doctor should ever agree to something that isn't in a repository thing.
Dolores has done exceptional work in that area.
And also a lot of people who are out there worried that he got shots should be really thankful that a lot of people who are involved in manufacturing those slots shots,
listen to people like her and made sure that they didn't put things in those.
So we're really we should be always thankful the people that stood in the front right at the beginning,
the people that are waking up most was the people that were delivering those in.
There's a lot of doctors who maybe silently just didn't give it.
I am in medicine. Medicine. One of the problems is you got a medical school and you're so indoctrinated because every single person at medical school has had all the shots.
One of my the guys in my year just dropped dead in his room after the shots.
So it was very obvious to us there was a harm.
I had a believe trust nobody approach to the world.
And when I went to the GP guy that did my thing, he they asked for exceptional thing for medical reasons to get into medical school.
And he I believe didn't give me it because I had a big conversation with him and he was an old guy.
And I just said, look, there's no way I'm healthy. I'm never going to get sick.
Why would I take this? And I had that conversation with him.
And so maybe I did never get them. No.
And I think that's what everyone's in that thing of.
I think everyone's in challenge that repositories.
We have to be careful where we give faith.
We must be really, really accurate about what we're doing.
Your second thing about water.
There's loads of stuff we can do with water.
OK. The problem is I can make a very poisonous water.
Go back and look in history.
You'll see parables about it.
You see throughout history, there are stories.
Kings with poisonous water that poisoned all their people.
And then they became so lonely because they hadn't drunk the poison water that they ended up drinking the poison water.
So they could be as dumb as all the rest.
It was just there's loads of stories of that.
So you have to be very careful and the corporate interests aligned with the water.
You know, you are free of information.
You cannot find out where your water comes from.
If you're drinking municipal water, so most people don't realize that the Internet is given an illusion that we know everything.
Like we know all the history taking skills because we went to medical school.
We got a clue how good a history a professor of medicine that never went medical school and got grandfathered in, you know, might have.
And he can embed that in a questionnaire.
We could never even learn it in today's environment.
You know, so same thing with water.
Such a complex thing.
But one thing we can do is when you look to ancient times, we can look to very advanced systems that are to be found within.
You can go to Italy and you can go to ancient times and you can see systems that collect water under churches that are in use today to give the people in those towns water.
And the people are very healthy.
But also the advanced design of those, you know, you can go to Rome and you will see the Trevi Fountain and then you can try and travel down beneath that.
And you can see that there are four water sources.
One of them is transported by a viaduct and tunnels through mountains.
Twenty kilometers that meet on some people up the top just chucking stones, chucking coins in.
They don't realize what they're sitting on.
Ancient Rome has this technology.
So you can look at old stuff.
What I've done is I've gone out to companies.
I'm very lucky in this area because the people who own the horses are the wealthiest people.
So I've run my horse tech conference for Sheikh Mohammed and his royal question stable in Dubai.
And what happens there is you have the world's wealthiest people and you have access to say, right, I can embrace the best companies in the world.
We can come here and see what the horse likes best.
When you do that, you learn a new thing.
You learn the best water for a horse.
A horse will like a cola Pepsi test.
We all know that from the commercial they did to make everyone have a binary choice of which poisonous soda drink they would drink.
Well, when you go to a horse, he will drink the healthiest one.
And you can do that with geologically sourced waters.
You can do that with the wholly well sourced waters.
You bring all these different waters in and then you can do enhancement technologies on them.
And the one that I found I then became a distributor for in the horse market.
But I would be very cautious about people who are doing it with themselves.
You can ironize water, you can do all these.
I would recommend if people are doing those things, they try and share the best practice they get in and work together to report into clinical trials.
But it's very, very difficult with the horse.
We have a very controlled environment.
We can see long term outcomes of it.
We can see we can contrast it, like I say, with genetically similar animals with humans is so hard because everyone's got such very diets.
We've got global diets now where I'm eating Indian tonight and I'm Mexican tomorrow night.
And there's sauce worldwide.
It's very rare to get people to eat close to source and things like that.
And then to get them in a clinical trial is almost impossible.
Whereas with the horse, we can just do that.
We change one factor.
And that's why I published the horse technique, because it's my way of researching what the best water is.
Any water companies out there to want to see what we can do with horses, I'm really, really happy to work with and double blind it with myself and a clinical trial.
But we haven't got as a thing called the VMO.
VMO is what a snake has.
Snake knows what the lady's handbag.
The horse has a bigger one and it's a sexual organ, a venerosal organ.
It's in its nose.
And when you see a horse doing a thing called flailing, it's when he does this teeth, he looks like he's laughing.
If you look up flailing, laughing horse, you see this horse is doing what the horse is doing.
He's pulling up his upper lip, closing his nostrils.
He's enlarging his VMO with a projection of blood into this.
His nasal cavity is bigger than our head.
Pushing that air at force into that sexually stimulated device.
And basically what's happening is it's engrossed in blood and it catches that air and it basically senses that air.
Now, with the whiskers and all of that and the perfect earthing the horse has got, the best way to look at a horse is like a battery.
So when we say, does it help these conditions?
Well, if you optimize the water so it's very close and safe to the electromagnetic and structural energy levels that the water within the cell of the horse have,
what you're doing immediately is taking an energy requirement out of the horse drinking.
So a horse will refuse water because it can calculate that that water is a nightmare for me and I have to spend so much energy.
So a horse that really dehydrated will still not drink water.
And they have a famous saying all over the world, which is you can take a horse to a water, but you can't make it drink.
It's because he's actually telling you, I can't drink that stuff because that's negative to me.
And so what you do is you get a better water and the horse will drink.
So I can make a horse drink.
So when I go to someone's horse, I say, right, there's the water you supply the horse.
I'm going to electromagnetically charge the water in front of you.
And then I do it as a magic trick.
I show them the horse, take a bucket of their water that I've done a special charging method with, drink the whole bucket and lick it dry.
And I've had 80 year old best vets in the country say, I've never seen that in my life.
How the hell did you do that?
Licking the bottom of they've never seen a horse do that type of thing.
And so there are certain things you can do with water.
What you'll find out is in the corporate world, they're trying to patent these ideas because these are very valuable.
And when you realize how valuable water companies are, water companies are responsible probably for all your energy creation.
Most of the water in Ireland is hydro power created, but they tell the children they need solar panels on top of all their schools.
The last buildings in Ireland that should have a solar panel on the roof of our schools because they have the longest summer holidays.
And they are a fire risk.
They have no fire suppression technology and and the but it's a brainwashing thing to make the children feel.
Also, if a kid kicks a ball up on the roof, throws a stone up on the roof, they need a drone survey it before they can open the school again.
So loads of silly things are being done with energy because it's a great thing to tax people on.
And man, we have we have sheds all over Ireland that could have the solar panels on, but they do this.
It's because the hydro power is a silent forever tapped energy that's free and the government just needs to brainwash us.
The energy is very expensive. And so your water will also be providing your energy.
And about 30 years ago, I spent two weeks in a tunnel underground digging a hydro power station into an underground river in London.
If you drove by there today, all you'd see is a non-descript building on the side of the road.
That's the access route to go down and put the hydro power in.
Anyone getting electricity there probably thinks they're getting it from a windmill up in the North Sea or something like that.
They're actually getting energy from a river that flows under their feet.
So if you can imagine water power creating energy for you, but also, you know, extend that to the energy in the water that it brings to us.
And when we we do things like chlorinate the water and change it structurally, we actually make it harmful to us.
And so a lot of the water that you're getting with horses, municipal taps, the horses trying to do this really complex hindgut fermentation process.
You're putting that in on the front. You just constantly poisoning the microbe of the horse.
Microbiome of the horse is just being constantly bombarded by this.
So it's very, very challenging, even in the horse world. But where we're doing it really well, we can share it.
And the great thing is you don't have to believe me. You can do this with your own horse.
So if you are using Kangan water, which is a great product I've seen used all over Japan, you can go and try it out with your horses.
And you might find that the local horse trainer starts asking you to go racing with him.
So I have some fun with you. Thank you.
And chlorine dioxide versus chlorinated water. Can you address that real quickly?
I know you've taken a lot of time. Cleaning water is insane.
Okay, so one of the things we were involved in is a company we work with went out and did trials on cleaned water, non-cleaned water on cows.
They took the cows that were on the non-cleaned water, basically get high yields. You need bacteria in the food.
Now, when I was at medical school, we used to have a funny thing that would happen nearly all the time.
Like once a week, this would happen. Someone would come in for an appointment with their animal, their dog that they leave in the house.
And they'd say really strange things happening. I'm putting a little bowl down in front of my dog.
It's fresh water. I change it three times a day. He won't drink it.
But you know what? If I open the front door or crack, the dog is out down the street and he's in the dirtiest puddle you can imagine.
And he's lapping it all up. Is there something wrong with my dog?
And the vet who was there, he was grandfathered in, he never went to vet school.
Hilarious guy. And he would be doing these lectures with these patients in front of me.
And he'd say, you know what? That dog is smarter than us. We're stupid. We're so stupid.
We get sterilized water. We drink sterilized water, chlorinated water.
Why are we cleaning? We're intensely obsessed with cleanliness.
This is part of the whole hygiene freak thing that's been used on patients that was so successful.
We were obsessed with everyone wearing masks, rubbing their hands with alcohol, you know, all that craziness.
That was an exacerbation of everyone being frightened of microbes.
The animal is basically knowing that he needs bacteria.
They haven't been brainwashed by the staff. So this whole thing of cleaning water intensively,
the reason you have to clean water is because you're doing something wrong with it.
If you're sourcing your water the right way, you probably don't need to do that.
There are reasons why when you're going to industrialize it and you've got cities.
But if you go and look at the ancient technology in London and you look at the Puritan movement
and you look at how some of their wells, how they were supplied over massive distances,
underground London rivers, the Victorians knew an awful lot about this stuff.
And so maybe this is what the churches had a role in. People would get their nutrition.
Also, how much water do we need? You know, if the water is dehydrating, we'll drink more of it.
And people find that really hard to understand. A horse knows that straight away.
A horse, when he goes up to the bucket. So the other thing when I showed the water trial.
So if you get a Kangen water machine at home, which is really easy to buy, you get the Kangen water
and you can can gun ice some water in a local stable and you put it in two buckets
and you put a piece of a marker on one bucket on the bottom, the horse will know which is the better water.
Now, he knows before he tastes it. He won't go up to that.
And that's your knowledge that the water can be sensed.
The electromagnetic energy of the water can be sensed by the horse remotely.
So he doesn't waste his time going to one water and trying it and then the other.
He will know which is the electromagnetic better water.
So cleaning the water will also go for water that has bacteria in it.
All right. Thank we think we're going to move. Thank you, Jim.
Before you go to and we got Anders and then Stephen to finish because we're finishing in 20 minutes, David.
It's magnificent. Loving what you're talking about. Jerry Waters. Here we are talking about water.
And we just had the first question with Jerry Waters, you see.
So the waters of Jerry will have to call him. The comment was putting the chair have distilled water.
And my understanding is distilled water is very bad for you.
Easy, easy, easy way. I can make a water that will kill you.
It should make people very worried and still water will strip you from things very, very effective if you've been poisoned.
So there are applications that every type of water that you've got to know really what you're doing with it.
If you've got like a poison in a water, you drink a still water, it's going to take it into your gut.
It's going to help your gut pass things that you're reaching.
And very I see a lot of people drinking still water.
I hear a lot of stories about that. They come through and they've got teeth problems and they've got it's a very when you realize it's the universal solvent.
Water is the most pervasive structure, but it's also the most complex.
And so it's the least understood. And so a lot of people will say they know everything about water.
Be wary of those people.
And yeah, I think.
Thank you on that comment.
And as and then, Stephen.
Yes. Hello.
It was really interesting to hear about your horses and water.
I don't know a lot about horses, but I know maybe something about water.
And so I live in the West Coast, Norway.
We have a lot of mountains here and running water and.
We believe it's quite healthy, even not always.
It's sometimes with bacteria in the spring and the autumn.
But now it's the they use infrared to beam some of the bacteria out.
Twenty five years ago, I was in Thailand.
I was riding a rather big elephant.
And it was about an hour and a half or something in the southern part.
And there was water, but it was not clean.
But only at the end, the elephant would start to drink.
Then he I think he knew it was a good water.
So it was a kind of funny story.
My question to you is, are you aware of.
Are you aware of.
The massive pollution from chemtrails now in UK and Ireland.
And are you aware of that?
There is a huge problem with 4G and 5G radiation.
And how are the health of the horses affected by polluted water from chemtrails and 5G?
And what about the pesticides in the food?
What is the health of the horses related to what type of food they eat?
Yes, toxicology is fascinating.
One of the things you'll find with a horse and a child similar again.
So a lot of people will say, OK, this chemtrails, I guess you're talking about things coming out of airplanes.
That's a very successful thing because people got Rockefeller educations,
which teach you not to look down.
Right. So everyone who gets a bit enlightened starts going, they're spraying us like bugs.
One of the things you find that would be required if we saw that is horses would be increasingly affected.
OK, so why would that be?
Because of their position in the food chain.
So if you ate food that was literally all over the field that the spray had come down on,
you build lots of it up in your body.
We are not seeing that currently.
OK, that doesn't mean that it cannot happen, but we're not seeing and we should see that toxicology emerging.
Now, it might be that the people with horses are just very good.
It might also be that they have their horses situated rurally.
We're not seeing that.
What we are seeing is we are seeing the harms of things like windmills.
So a lot of people don't realize that low frequency vibrations that emerge from them can be very harmful to you.
In Ireland, we are the only place in the world that excessively had windmills banned
because they would have adversely affected our breeding industry, our far-reaching resources.
The reason why it was proven in a court that they can cause spontaneous abortions up to about 15 kilometers away.
So we had them banned in our major far-reaching breeding areas.
That was the court case in France also recently on that.
On windmills?
Yeah.
What harm did they say?
Was it in environmental birds or something?
I'm not sure exactly, no.
It is the correlation to distance.
What people harm?
That was in Germany.
There's other cases.
So in France, I think they have both the 5G and the...
So you're talking about...
We're talking about something different there.
I'm talking about wind farms.
These are these big things.
Yes, I understand.
I'm talking both of them.
But there is massive correlation to the whales and fish in the North Sea.
Absolutely.
On the windfills.
Hard to prove though.
It's very hard to prove all these things because we don't have a relationship with whales.
Also, we don't know how they are psychologically.
There could be some other causation that's causing it.
Whereas if our horses, it was proven straight out.
Those things will cause us irreparable damage to the fur of our breeding industry.
So they were banned before they built them.
Which shows you the prevention focus that we have in our industry.
Which is very noble and aspiring to the human health care industry.
A bit like when I told you about the rape seeds growing and how we prevent that.
Yes, there will be electromagnetic harms.
Our understanding of electromagnetics,
considering no one at medical school gets taught anything about it,
is minimal to none.
And so where are we going to be as doctors?
Advising patients on that.
Advising ourselves.
Most doctors live in an electromagnetic microcosm.
So they're well...
I mean, you go into the hospitals.
You're dealing with so many machines that are wirelessly communicating.
I used to go into UCD and I couldn't use half of the devices that I used
because the place was so polluted electromagnetically.
There was MRI machines being used in research labs.
People in offices above them that didn't know.
So I've been involved in this area.
There is a lot of evidence that in ancient times,
we would use electromagnetics to charge our bodies.
So when you look at a church,
the old pictures of churches don't show pews in them.
So they also...
We know that the water below the floor was it filling up a system.
And we know that the organ was amazingly tuned
and the building was built with sacred geometry
to resonate the people that would have been inside it.
So, you know, if I go and stand...
If I get a couple of metronomes here
and we all hold a metronome each,
our metronomes could be out of sync and they'll stay out of sync forever.
But if we all put them on the floor with a big bed of water beneath it,
those metronomes will sink. There's a resonance.
So understanding resonance is really important.
Those would be preventative.
But again, with the water,
if you have a massive energy advantage in your water,
this is what we're finding.
So my trainers would say, they go straight away, it's holy water.
You're making a miracle water or whatever.
But the best ones understand it is like,
you're just making an energy drink.
You've worked out how to make the water
the same sort of battery power as the horse is at
or similar or close enough and not harmful.
And so the horse can onboard that energy
instead of having to convert all that water.
If you go and study, and this is the company I work with,
a company called Water Diamond,
I've done some really nice work with them,
but I just think it's the best in the world that I've been able to find.
And what they've done is they've structured the water
to a level that it's as close as you can get to inside the cell.
And they did that through research,
which was being done in the semiconductor industry.
A lot of people don't know,
but semiconductors are coated in a single layer of water.
To be able to do that, you have to understand water's properties,
hydrophilic, hydrophobic.
That's how to get the water resistance on a lot of electronics.
Your bits inside your mobile phone are literally coated in water.
Now, to make that pure water,
these people are doing X-ray diffraction studies on water,
and then they're doing how to charge the water.
And this particular company that I work with,
so there's a disclosure there,
I do research with their product with horses.
That product is a diamond electrode
that the water is passed through at pace, pressurized,
goes through a diamond.
You'll see diamond electrolysis is used in a lot of water treatment applications.
This application is to change the electromagnetic structure of that water.
Do you have, for example, a standard for millivolt,
let's say 40 to 80 millivolt,
or do you cross-check it with pH?
Do you have such, let's say, mechanics to test the water?
The reason why no one's going to talk to you about this
is because the reverse of this is the creation of energy.
And if you know about that and you talk,
you end up on a list that stops you ever talking again.
So if I'm putting energy into water for horses,
no one's that bothered.
If I start taking energy out of water
or maybe taking specific materials out of the water,
like there's a lot of gold in that ocean just out ahead of me,
and it's the universal solvent,
so if I had an electrode that could capture those valuable metals,
that would make me like a mine.
And so a lot of people can't talk about the energy capacity of water,
and that's why sometimes they find it's like some of those minerals
that you could take out by knowing about what you're trying to ask me about,
you could make very harmful products.
Like you could harvest from huge water sources specific minerals, materials,
that you need in small dose because they are very toxic.
And so same with energy stuff.
A lot of this is embroiled in the nuclear power industry,
so it's like way above my thing to talk,
but you're on the right level,
and I think this is what we've all got to understand.
We've got to understand, you know,
sometimes when you're in this area and you're talking about things,
you have to be okay about being on your own.
You know, you have to be, you have to understand that solitude
is the thing that you have to embrace if you want freedom.
All right, we're going to move on.
And there's excellent questions and all of you, excellent questions.
Thank you. All right, Stephen, last 10 minutes for you.
Hi, David.
So if you asked me at the beginning of this talk what your predominant accent was,
David, I would have said London, actually.
So I didn't hear any Irish accent.
My dad phoned me up. I speak an Irish accent.
It's basically where you were in a certain type of thing and conformity.
It's like why do some people think vaccines are very...
I think we naturally pick up the accents of the people we're talking to,
especially you and your father would have had a close relationship.
So maybe we, you know, you as his son seek favour by copying his accent
without even realising it.
One day I was in a tunnel in London underneath Piccadilly Circus.
There's a huge power station under there,
a tunnel that goes all the way to St John's Wood.
And I went out and I was sitting in the lunch break
and it was the middle of the morning and these guys were eating steak
and I couldn't understand a word they were saying.
Their accents are so strong and then I realised they were speaking Irish.
But they were speaking a local dialect of Irish.
You can drive, honestly, you can drive half an hour here
and the people have a different accent.
And so...
So David, England, you know, just England,
so the United Kingdom is composed, for people around the world,
the United Kingdom is composed of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
So, but just England has such a wealth of accents.
It's unbelievable how many different accents there are.
And there are some accents, like the North East,
I have real difficulty understanding them.
Yeah, and so I've got an accent that's kind of like to get on, you know,
international, I talk at conferences all over the world.
And it's like, how would you...
It's kind of, you've learnt a language to speak to people
in a way they understand you.
Sure, you've got an international...
I found very like, from memory,
a guy who comes to speak to us, David Charalambas.
He's an expert in the psychological torture of what they were doing in the UK,
you know, the kind of Psyop, if you like.
And yeah, he knows about that, the messaging and all that,
the propaganda, if you like.
Yeah, he's very honest with me.
David, could you, since this is about, you know,
it was started because of Covid, it's kind of wandered off now,
but I just wondered, could you briefly tell us what happened to you in 2020, 2021, 2022?
And yeah, what you made of it all, you know?
Were you in Ireland or in the UK?
I lived in Ireland 17 years.
Ah, right.
I travelled all the time.
Yeah, a lot of business was cancelled.
They had an operation in Ireland,
a university that was set up to cancel everybody who was speaking out.
And they would literally ring all my clients and cancel all my businesses.
So I went into the horse business because the greatest thing was,
my horse clients didn't mind it.
They were like, ah, this is just brilliant, David,
because now you're getting the slack that we get all the time.
They get it because people anthroporise horses so much
that they think that they're whipping them.
They think that you get a horse, you get a horse to win races by being brutalising it.
And actually, it's a really terrible reflection.
If you actually do a psychological understanding of these people,
it's actually because they've been brutalised themselves.
They're anthroporising it and thinking, well, you must be,
because my parents got the best out of me,
what they tried to get the best out of me by brutalising me.
That's what you must be doing with the horses.
Do you remember the British Olympic horsewoman who was shamed on social media?
Did you ever see the video?
I did see it and I didn't understand it really,
but I think she was doing dressage and she was deemed as having been cruel to horses.
And I can't quite remember now.
There was somebody which, oh, I think they, didn't they cancel her from the Olympics?
Yeah, we have this insane cancel culture.
That was a situation where the lady was doing something that was brutalising with the horse.
Was she actually brutalising it?
She was cracking a whip next to it.
You don't need to do that with the horses.
If you're pressured on time, now there's a lot of economic pressures to do this.
If all your competition are doing it,
like a good horse then can look at horses in some of those dressage sports
and say that horse has been clicked to do that
because it's responding in a certain way and a reflex way.
And so, but the problem is, you know, with the racehorse, it's a very different thing.
The amount of time the horse spends on the track in the race is like 0.01% of his life.
And it's under HD video the whole time because there's bettors watching it.
So everything you see being done with a racehorse is like,
he's like, it had to be prepared for that.
And you weren't beating it all the time.
So they're seeing someone using a polystyrene riding crop, for example.
They've never actually held one themselves.
They've never hit it on their leg and felt that's not actually painful.
But also they don't realise because they've never ridden a horse
that you need a riding crop to actually show the horse
so he doesn't veer and injure other horses.
And so there's loads of things to it.
But a lot of it is this amplification.
People can't understand.
They just think the horse is dumb.
They don't realise the horse can inflict harm on you so easily.
And so a lot of people just think it's all brutalisation.
But that is...
So exactly. So I didn't know because I didn't know the horse world.
Yes, so I work in small animals and I would see people with animals coming into me.
And they've literally had a furry animal in a central heated house
giving it chlorinated water and not exercising it.
And they've given it no socialisation, no stimulisation or whatever.
They've brought this animal in and this animal's developed diabetes.
They've been feeding it chocolate bars.
They've been feeding it...
They've got no licence to keep the pet.
They've got no understanding of what that pet's needs are.
You know, they bought it off a puppy farmer
who bred it for an insane just look or nose type or whatever.
And so this person comes in and if you ask this person,
what do you think of people breeding the best race horses in the world?
They'd say, very cool.
No, this is complete insanity because people have amplified pets.
And actually it's a very rare thing to be able to see it
because how many people went to medical school living above a vet surgery
and have been with the best horses in the world?
Me and the other two people I know, you know?
So it's a rare thing to have those experiences.
But I think video, like we said, it allows people to engage in things.
So you can watch jockey cameras now of jockeys on a horse
and you can see how exhilarating that experience is.
But also that that jockey isn't in like a massive control of that horse.
Like that horse doesn't want to do something.
It's got very strong brakes, you know?
But also the two of them are working together.
So you'll see reflexes with jockeys.
They're watching the ears, the horses telling them where to go.
And then there's a split second connection between those jockeys and the horses.
And so to think that these people are cruel, it's like you've got it wrong.
These are masters of animal empathy.
The horses want to run. They've been bred to run. They've been trained to run.
The jockeys and parents were jockeys and great grandparents were jockeys.
So you're talking about a very unique group of people.
No, that doesn't mean that someone hasn't ever hit a horse.
David, you are used to horses.
So you looked at the same video as I saw. Is that right?
And you thought it was cruel too or what?
If someone is beating my horse with a whip, it's insane because there are better results.
It's a bit like someone's drugging a horse.
He's giving cocaine to a horse.
He's a nutcase. He doesn't know what he's doing.
I don't know how he got into this field. He won't be here for long.
The families that have done this all along, they've been doing this generations.
Look at the best families that breed horses and train horses in Ireland.
They're just exceptional people with exceptional children, exceptional grandchildren.
These aren't people who are weltering horses.
The horses that are found in them aren't drugged.
In Ireland, they got a guy and they raided him.
He's the TV presenter and they raided a farm that he was arriving into for a drug test.
What they found was he was taking the horse 200 kilometres to get it lasered by a guy that had flown in to use a laser treatment.
This is future energetic medicine. That's all the guy got caught for.
They took the place by a tooth comb.
The bloke had to defend why he was in a raid building.
He was like, because I wanted lasers.
Patients, if we could give, like when we've delivered the water to the stable, the patient, go and talk to Barry.
His mum's COPD has been reversed.
He brought water home from the vein.
He himself went to a high, what do they call the salt therapy for humans?
He went to a system for that himself, stopped smoking and started drinking the water.
It was like, you know, these people have got a very good, they're entrepreneurial.
They want to do things because they live outside.
They're outside all the day.
Most of us are sitting inside on carpets that are made by synthetic materials, wearing synthetic clothes, completely, and you know, screens in front of us all day.
So, I mean, the potential for us to even most people in modern societies to even connect with a horseman is just.
You know, we saw we had a guy there just talking about, you know, a connection he had at a time in his life when he was really down.
And horse knowing to come over and give him that tug and give that there are ways we can engage with that.
And I think it's a very powerful thing.
One of the guys I work with has got the first NHS paid for equine therapy and it's just exceptional results.
He's getting the jobs so much less.
But look at the economics of it.
Who wants to pay him for that?
What's it going to be retired horses that are just enjoying their lives, you know, finished their career and they're out.
And where's the money?
And they just go mind those horses and there's no economics to it.
Whereas how many doctors in the NHS are feeling pressured to give antidepressant medications to patients?
Because if they don't do it and something happens, they're going to get a loved one complain that they didn't give their daughter an antidepressant.
That's happening all day, every day.
And it's happening in particular in your case, Stephen, this is happening to patients no one's ever took a proper history of.
Now, one of the things I was teaching doctors to do was to ask patients to share with them their Facebook adverts.
Because I said, you know what, when you look at a patient's Facebook profile, you probably learn more than you do looking at their notes.
Whoever trying to deal with psychology issues with a patient.
And so how do we get doctors to do that?
Even today, I'm giving these lectures 15 years ago.
Even today, very few doctors have ever looked or even would have the idea how to ask.
Can I look at your social media profile?
But also when you're trying to deal with patients information, just on an information basis, you don't have to trip over things.
So one of the really classic ones is asking sexual health questions.
How many sexual partners you have?
Stephen, if you're a GP and there's an 18 year old girl in front of you and you are not a GP.
But I mean, if you were, you're working as a GP and you ask a question like that, you'll probably be out of the job by the end of the week.
Right. Because it can be just taken the wrong way.
If your questionnaire asks that question and your questionnaire has a drop down menu that starts at zero and scrolls down to 150 million because it's infinite list, that patient can honestly answer there.
And they don't have the pressure of someone who's possibly the age of her father asking her a question that might be sensitive in that way.
And so people will reveal more things more honestly.
And this has been proven time and time again on online questionnaires than they do in person.
But also I'm working with some doctors in London, when this one of people are with brown skin using skin whiteners.
Now, they give this thing, they give this report and they said GPs need to start asking.
Dermatology reporting patients who've got brown skin, do they use skin whiteners?
Now, if you're a white skinned person, pink skinned person, you're asking questions like that to people.
It's completely insane. If that question needs to be asked of 30, 40 percent of the black patients that are presenting in the NHS, that has to be in a questionnaire.
Because you can't ask questions like that.
A brown person can't ask a pink skinned person because patients aren't up for this stuff.
The news is turning into a jump through hoops about political correctness and stuff like that.
But if people in England are putting these screens on, they're causing dermatological things, but we can't ask for it because it might be politically incorrect to ask certain questions.
No, I'm not worried about being politically incorrect. Certainly not.
Well, questionnaires get ratted out really nicely.
And so that plays to the angle of another reason why questionnaires are really good.
Sensitive question.
Alright, wait, wait, two and a half hours.
Well, I don't like questionnaires myself, you know, I don't like finding out questionnaires.
I'd much rather talk to someone I trust.
How long do you have to wait?
There aren't many people you can trust these days. That's the problem.
How long do you have to wait to see a GP in England?
I don't know. I have to go. I go into the private system when I need to see a doctor.
Most patients in England wait.
I don't trust the NHS. It's a cult.
It is indeed. But most of the way.
It's a very dangerous cult.
What we would do if our instant medical records, we would do it privately and we would allow the patient to submit it to their GP.
So it was a very important thing to get around that cult and a price point, which is much lower than what you'd be paying with your private GP's.
We were providing patients with the ability to own their own information, which is very important.
Obviously, the NHS had its thing against that.
And then we saw Babylon come along, which is named very correctly for what they were up to right from the beginning, right in your face.
And we saw that, you know, that got adopted by doctors all over England.
The doctors saw it as taking them out of our stuff and managing it.
So by not working with the patients directly, they ended up working with a corporation that was called Babylon Health that stole all the patient records and never I never worked with the corporation.
I never did anything that I didn't think was right personally.
And I thought all the other doctors were doing the same.
And it was a shock in 2020 that I realized that they weren't.
Isn't it?
Yeah.
Good on you and share what you did, because people need to learn what made you to Constitution to be someone that didn't do well.
I was already a whistleblower.
I'd blown the whistle against the British government in the military.
I was working in the military.
I wasn't military.
And but I was trusted and and I told them they needed police investigation into a matter involving class a control drugs in the military on an isolated military camp.
And they thought they could tell me and I would take part in a cover up instead of that.
I told them that they had to have a police investigation.
And when they didn't do anything, five days later, I asked them again what was going on about the police and nothing had been done.
I said, you've got to have police investigation.
And three weeks after I first said you need a police investigation, they were trying to get me in on the cover up.
And so three weeks after I told them you need a police investigation for the first time, they sacked me by text with no reason given.
And while I was on a family holiday, the last day of the family holiday, outrageous.
And there began a five and a half year whistleblowing case.
And I had five sets of lawyers.
I learned who was lying to me and who wasn't lying to me.
And it was a brilliant it was a brilliant exercise for 2020 because I knew that the British government and everyone else was lying about code.
Yeah, that's another beautiful thing about the horse racing industry.
Everyone working in it could be drug tested at any time.
We should we should demand as doctors that that is the standard thing as working as a doctor.
We should demand that that is the thing as a manager in the NHS as a politician.
Now, how can the jockeys that have to do this dangerous job be mandated to take these routine random drug tests anytime on their horses on themselves?
Yet we've got politicians making huge decisions with all those pop up heads that appeared on the TV to tell us what to do.
None of them drug tested. None of them.
I'm always available to be drug tested and everyone wants to do drug test.
Always happy to do it.
I think it's something we should as doctors be driving for.
David, I'm sure there's corruption in the horse breeding world as well.
Yep. Come on. Let's go. All right, David.
Congratulations on a magnificent presentation on a magnificent career on your visionary steps that you've taken.
Stephen, thank you for organizing. David, thank you all for being here.
Thank you for the contributions. David, save the chat.
Don't forget to save the chat.
I don't need that.
You just go to the three dots on your open the chat and the three dots on the top right corner, the ellipsis, it's called.
And it gives you the option to save the chat.
But I'll send it to you anyway.
Thanks.
And thank you. Thank you for agreeing to speak to us, David.
If anyone's put their email there on that chat, I'll be able to send them the questions and send them a link to anything that I've talked about.
Sure. So give them five minutes to transport their email addresses.
Yeah, beautiful. All right. Thank you, David. Thank you, everyone.
So David, you can make connections with all kinds of people.
It's a pity we didn't think that earlier. But anyway, we'll get the chat to you and maybe you can pick up some email.
I'm just horse tech conference at gmail.com. So gmail.com.
Ah, yes.
Horse tech conference with no dots at gmail.com. Yes. Very good.
Yes. OK. So everyone got that.
David is horse tech conference at gmail.com.
David, you should connect with Leo Biddle, who's in Borneo in Indonesia.
Borneo, no less. He's an expert on orangutans.
He's a primate expert. And he told me in 2021, I think it is, that there was no epic.
There was no pandemic in the primates in the orangutans and in the big apes, you know.
And I said, does that mean would you expect there to be a pandemic in the big apes?
You know, if there's an alleged pandemic in the in the inhuman beings, he said, absolutely. Yes.
So he joins us. It's about three o'clock in the morning.
We're going. Yeah, we're going. We're going. All right.
Thanks, everybody. Martina. We're too late. We're going to go.
Lovely to have you here, everybody.
You put your addresses in there. Good. We'll see you again next time.
Thanks, everybody. Thanks, David. David, his name is Leo Biddle.
You need to connect with him. I'll give you his email address if you write to me.
Yeah, perfect. All right. Bye for now.
Well done. Yeah. Thanks. Bye.
What's your email? Stephen. Oh, my email.
Stephen dot frost. Stephen with a ph dot frost at BT internet dot com.
You've got it on your emails. You should have had some emails from me, David.
I'll have a check right now.
Roger, whereabouts are you based in England?
North Wales. Yeah. Well, yeah, I would regard myself as more English than Welsh.
Charles says I'm Welsh, but I am British, actually. More English than I am Welsh.
I bring water through Holyhead for the big race next month.
I'll be over through Holyhead with some water, Irish water for some horses that are running.
All right. Well, I live about 40 miles, well, 45 maybe. You can drive over here easily.
Just give me an email.
Great one, guys.
Thanks, everybody. Thanks, David. Bye.