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Let's get this show on the road.

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Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.

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We've had a slight technology delay.

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Our guest today is Celia Farber.

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I won't go through the normal introduction, but we, Stephen Frost started this group over

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two years, almost three years ago.

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Thank you all for attending, whether you're watching live or by recording.

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And if you want the normal intro, you can go to another recording from another session.

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They're all up here and we welcome Celia Farber.

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Celia, you are a superstar, been a subscriber to your material for a long time, as has Stephen,

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as have many people here.

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So we are in your hands for as long as you wish to address us.

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Over to you.

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Thank you so much, all of you.

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I thank you for your saintly patience with the technical mishaps and I'm really glad

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we cracked it.

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As I was preparing for this, I mean, I've had, let's see, the numbers are getting crazy.

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I think 37 years on this story.

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And yet when I'm asked to address it, especially the more time goes on, I find that it's like

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being lost in a dark, dense woods and it's snowing and it's raining and it's dark.

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And I think what can I tell them and how do I pull out of all the long history?

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How do I crystallize it and what do I want to talk about?

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What I find happens, and this kind of speaks to my presentation, is that because it was

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so immensely violent and traumatic, when I try to organize and crystallize it, I myself

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become, it's like being a trauma, like a tuning fork for the trauma.

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And as I look at the stuff, I should know it like the back of my hand and I used to

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be able to be very fluent in the essentials of the lies and the madness and so forth,

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but it all kind of gets away from me.

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So I thought what I really want to do is lean into a book that doesn't get talked about

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a lot by an extraordinary, she's now passed away, investigative journalist and author

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named Janine Roberts.

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And the person that I speak to about Janine Roberts' work the most is Gary Null.

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Gary Null and I are sort of a little obsessed about Janine Roberts and her book, and I'm

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going to show you the cover of her book in a moment and why it's important.

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So okay, first of all, my talk is called, as you can see, HIV and AIDS, some fragments,

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should be some fragments, HIV and AIDS, some fragments of the long history of a death cult

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that laid the foundation for brutality concealed as public health.

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The thing I'm going to start with is the hardest part because it's the part that, as I mentioned

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before, kind of gets away from me.

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I have to work really hard to present, represent and articulate this stuff.

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And this stuff is the stuff about the foundation and what happened and what Gallo did.

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And I am not personally interested in it anymore, if ever I was, as what we call science.

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I don't quite see it as science anymore.

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There's science in it, but I see it as, I mean, it's sort of like going back and look

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at something like the US invasion of Iraq and trying to describe that as a war.

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Why was it a war?

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You know, it's crazy.

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You can't do it.

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And it's the same with this.

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The same war machine that's doing everything in our traumatized world also did this thing.

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So I think I'm a little bit at odds with some of the other longstanding HIV dissidents in

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that I think they still at some level believe that disentangling, maybe not Dave Rasnik,

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my dear friend, Dave Rasnik.

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I want to hear what Dave says later.

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Violence, trauma, mind control, monarch mind control.

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These are my themes.

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Crowd psychosis.

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Lately, I've been getting into Renée Girard a lot and writing about Renée Girard.

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You know, Elias Kennedy, who's right here with me, I'm always and sort of, so I work

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in a fairly lonely way with all these themes.

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Trying to get out of this forest I described, trying to piece back, but piece back, you

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know, what on earth happened and how can I not a scientist?

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And I've never been good on the science and it doesn't interest me because I don't see

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stories in science.

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I see stories in people and there's a cliche about this.

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I see a story about a scientist who's trying to capture his destiny.

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at Spin Magazine.

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I had been an intern and I had just gotten a little window where they were, they first

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let me write my first photo caption.

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I'll never forget.

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Like that took six months.

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And I eventually, at that time I was obsessed with AIDS in the negative sense.

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I believed I was going to drop dead any minute because I had things in my past where they

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had pretty much arranged the first blast so that everybody was in some kind of tertiary

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transmission risk group.

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in Spin Magazine was about an egg lipid substance called AL721 that came from the Weissman Institute

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in Israel.

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and wishful thinking.

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for AIDS and so on and so on.

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So okay, you know, first pancake.

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1987 was also the year Peter Duisburg, sorry, I'm making a few presumptions that people

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here know who Peter Duisburg is, but I'll just say it very simply.

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The forerunner and primary, both champion and scapegoat of the original massive scientific

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challenge to Gallo's so-called HIV theory, which really is an HIV PsiOp, as we will discuss.

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What happened actually was that I pitched, John Lauritsen, who left us last year, incredible

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writer and researcher and author, who went out against all of the gay community and said that

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AZT was deadly and toxic and was killing gay men, which of course it was.

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The New York native got bullied and boycotted and targeted and harassed out of business

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by ACT UP, which demanded of the entire New York gay community that they boycott the native,

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never read it, never buy it.

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And eventually the native had to close its doors.

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That's one of countless examples of exactly the way everything was back then.

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They weren't able to target, harass, destroy every last person who touched it, but they

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chose to borrow René Gérard's term, they chose scapegoats.

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I certainly was one of them.

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They showed the entire world that if you touch this, this is what will happen to you.

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the story of how they did that.

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Many of you present are living versions of that right now, so maybe you don't need me

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to tell you that story.

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But that I think is the dark art that they sharpened and honed in the AIDS years.

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My editor said, don't mention this Peter Duisburg interview.

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I said, I want to look, I showed him the cover of the New York native.

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Here's the scientist at Berkeley and he's the top retro virologist and he doesn't think

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HIV causes AIDS.

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So I came to the United States very naive, very earnest as Swedes tend to be.

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And I thought, well, this will make a fantastic article and everyone's going to love this.

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So I got the first sign of trouble when my immediate supervisor, my editor said, not

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only are we not doing this, you're never to mention it again.

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And you're going to do dolphins and AIDS this month.

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But I had already put the call in to Peter Duisburg, to Peter Duisburg's lab in Berkeley

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and early the next morning, my phone rang.

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It was Peter Duisburg calling me back and he treated me like I was like anybody, like

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I was just like I was somebody.

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There was something about that very first conversation that was so incredibly surprising

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and thrilling to me that I wasn't spoken down to, I wasn't condescended to.

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conversation which left me riveted.

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I transcribed it right away and I did something a little bit, I guess the word might be cheeky.

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I put it under the door of the publisher of the magazine so I bypassed my immediate superior

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editors orders and his name is Bob Gaccione Jr.

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And he called me that night and he said, I read it, it's riveting, we're going to run

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it and this is the most important interview I will ever publish in my life.

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So he and I shared that and then we were off to the races.

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So it was 10 years of this material.

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I mean I remember when I found David Razznick and one after the other, these characters

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that seemed to come out of a novel, they were all, they were brilliant, they were morally

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morally reassuring I would say because they spoke of this world that they felt hell bent

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on preserving where two plus two equals four.

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And I had many of these amazing scientists to myself largely for many years, sorry that's

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Shenton in the UK, Medi-Tel Productions, Jad Adams, later on Hugh Christie and Continuum.

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So to their absolute devastation we kept kind of mushrooming around the world and then they

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perfect sharpened their knives and perfected their violence and censorship.

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And in the end their violence, censorship, punishments, defundings, deplatformings and

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worse, dot dot dot, there were people who died under very strange circumstances.

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All of that led to that the war finally kind of ended I would say in 2008 and we were defeated

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not for being wrong, we were defeated, just we were just bludgeoned and we couldn't carry

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And then there was a lull and then COVID came roaring onto the landscape in 2020 and those

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of us who were still around saw that we had had this, I'm going to say like we had the

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tale of the beast but we did not know, we had not seen the beast, we didn't know what

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the tale was connected to.

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Okay, now I'm going to get to the substance of my talk lest I drift off too much into

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all that history.

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So here is the cover of Janine Roberts book and I think it came out somewhere around 2004

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and what Janine did was something as far as I know none of us did, I certainly didn't.

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She actually delved into the archives which were created through a massive government

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investigation, it was called the Dingle Committee and the Dingle Committee was a, Robert Gallo

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stood rightly accused of misappropriating the, I call it the blob, but the sample from

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the Pasteur Institute and the French that he had gotten his hands on.

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Number one he tried to say that it was his and had come from his lab, number two that

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it was evidence of a psychopathic retrovirus and the cause of AIDS which had then been

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found by him in his lab.

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didn't look really what was in the papers and Janine Roberts, well they did, they found,

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they looked for theft, but they did not look for the most, they did not look for the third

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rail issue, did Gallo have proof of a deadly virus.

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They just assumed that he did and that he had stolen it.

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Peter Duisburg famously said that whole thing was who stole who's fake diamonds.

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So Janine Roberts actually tackled all these documents and in her book, which I'm just

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going to lead you to where the smoking guns are, as far as I'm concerned the smoking guns

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are all in Janine Roberts book and we need go no further.

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So many people have done spectacular work.

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Peter Duisburg, David Rasnik, the Perth Group, there's the rethinking AIDS site, I can direct

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you to all these sites and it's not to take it away from anything anybody did, but she

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actually finds the character that creates the destiny, the unbelievable character of

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this figure named Robert Gallo.

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of Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and others and he is very important, he's the godfather and

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so forth, but Gallo's fraud, which amazingly was pollinated into the, well the bloodstream

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of scientific literature and then became a two trillion dollar PSYOP lie and deadly industry

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that paved the way for COVID.

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Here's where it all began.

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So I'm not going to go through this like with super tedium because I can't, again I look

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at it and I just go, this is just so insane.

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It's like looking at, if those of you read my sub stack, you know that I see the world

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now through things like monarch programming and this is very monarch stuff like reversal,

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inversion, nothing makes any sense, but let's try to get through it.

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Okay, so on page 120 of Janine Robert's book, this is in a chapter called fraudulent papers.

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She describes the incredible drama of Gallo and his primary lab technician Mika Popovic,

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who was of Czech origin and he's a very like complex Shakespearean figure.

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Gallo gives him what I call the blob, flies off to Europe and starts doing promotion for the big

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bang to come that he found the cause of AIDS and he was going to publish his papers in science and

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the whole world was going to change and this was going to be the fulfillment for a whole generation

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of what's called virus hunters.

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You know there are so many books about all this but I think you all know this stuff already.

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So what actually happens is that Popovic runs proper electron microscopy experiments and another

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guy, Matthew Gonda, and to radically simplify they did not find retroviral activity, retroviruses,

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budding, retroviral particles or any of that stuff that we're supposed to believe was there.

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They didn't find the cause of AIDS, they didn't find pathogenesis, but the reason I call this

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the smoking gun, everybody knows there was no there there, everybody knows Gallo didn't

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prove anything. You've heard Carrie Mullis say over and over, I kept asking for the paper that

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proves it, nobody would give me the paper. What you actually see here in Gallo's own,

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I'm going to flip back and forth a little bit just so you can sort of get a visual here,

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in Gallo's own handwriting, so it's the lab notes, is that he reverses the conclusions

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of his own lab assistant who, back to our story and our drama, had taken off for a ski trip

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most likely because, and he also secured these papers in the possession of his sister,

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I think in Switzerland, so you see all this stuff going on. Gallo comes back from his European

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promotional tour and flips out, I don't know if I have the page here, but there's a famous

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part of it where he says he writes in the margin, Mika, are you crazy? And he's scolding him and

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berating him and that's classic Gallo. So we're just going to cut to the chase right now and then

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we're going to move on. Reading from Jeanine Roberts's words here, Gallo had changed the

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title of the paper. When published, it would claim that they had isolated the virus. There

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was no mention of isolation in the title originally. There were no experiments in it designed to

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isolate the virus for research purposes. Giant nucleated cells were produced in their culture.

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They indicated the presence of a cancer, not a virus. But when I turned the page, I was riveted.

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Gallo had deleted a statement by Popovic saying, here it is, smoking gun, smoking gun, smoking gun.

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can you believe it, the causative agent of AIDS had not yet been identified.

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from what I read, Popovic seems to have been entirely honest in reporting their renaming of

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the French virus, although he must have known this would make Gallo furious. This made me wonder if

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Popovic had wisely decided to make Gallo write the deceptive text himself. Was this why Popovic

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went away to ski? I hope the rest of his original type draft would be equally honest.

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let's see if I can read this.

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Yeah, I'm interested in her words, precisely the opposite, because I'm interested in, I've kind of

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begun to learn to learn about inversion, that there's something about lies and deceptions,

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that when they reverse it completely, it's not going to be the same.

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It's not going to be the same thing.

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So this is the original, let's see, where are we? Sorry. The original wording was,

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the original wording was,

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was, despite intensive research efforts, the causative agent of AIDS had not yet been identified.

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Gallo comes back, screams, yells, in his own hand, writes in the margins,

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Mika, are you crazy? What is the matter with you, et cetera.

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And then he writes that a retro, I mean, he reverses it to that a retrovirus of the HTLV family,

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that's, that's quote unquote, his family, leukemia viruses, originally, might be an etiological agent

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of AIDS was suggested by the findings.

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Janine Roberts wrote,

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I then found Popovic had upset Gallo still further in the very next sentence by calling Gallo's

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theory that a retrovirus caused AIDS an assumption. Gallo deleted this word, replacing it with

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hypothesis, as can be seen in the clipping below. So here's the absolutely breathtaking, well,

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I think all of this is breathtaking. I hope you agree.

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Six days after this traumatic battle between Gallo and Popovic, where I see Popovic

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cowering, of course, this is all domination games and Gallo and he, I received his wrath

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over the phone. I think the year was 1988. And I got back to the office and there was a message

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that Bob Gallo had called. And I was petrified, I was petrified. And then I called him back and

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he just screamed and screamed. And it's all in my book. What is the matter with you? What is the

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matter with you? Are you ruining your life? Don't you want to be like me? I'm not going to be like

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you. This is, this is the last screen. This is the last screen of the book. And it's all in my

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book. It's all in my life. Don't you want to be like Barbara Walters? Do you know how you can get

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to be like Barbara Walters? Not by doing stuff like this. This whole thing is driven by these

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So this is the last screen on this subject.

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Gallo replaced the words of his lab colleague Popovic,

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who said the cause of AIDS had not been found

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with the words that said precisely the opposite.

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Six days later, the paper with Gallo's revision

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was submitted to Science Magazine and the rest is history.

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There were actually four back-to-back papers in science.

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The astonishing thing where I think we can't look at science,

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we have to look at psychology, mass psychology.

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People look at money, but that doesn't really explain it.

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There was a powerful spell and a powerful,

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just a total climate of,

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nobody would stand up to this in their right mind.

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And I think if historians are looking at this

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however many years from now,

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that's the same thing that we all looked at

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and it's not possible to answer,

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not even by greed, not even by ambition.

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You have to look at,

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here's my guy, René Girard.

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You have to look at the scapegoat mechanism.

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I put some René Girard quotes together.

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I think this one is particularly good.

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Behind every act of violence lies a desire

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for recognition and status.

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And Dave Rasnick knows this better than most people alive.

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The language of AIDS was the language of violence

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and the language of,

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do you wanna lose everything?

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Do you wanna lose your career?

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Like extreme, extreme bullying.

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And it was almost as though they were saying all the time,

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we're not even exactly saying it's right.

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We're saying we can and will destroy you

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if you go against it.

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And I think that actually caused people's

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so-called scientific minds to flip

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and they thought they were seeing something

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they weren't seeing.

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But the beautiful part is this did not happen to everybody.

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There's Carrie.

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Sorry.

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That's one of my quotes,

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one of the quotes from Carrie Mullis

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from one of my interviews and I love that quote.

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Here we have the saints marching in.

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This is a list as of 2000.

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Celia, can you read it out that quote please?

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Oh, sorry, yes I can.

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The mystery of that damn virus has been generated

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by the $2 billion a year they spend on it.

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You take any other virus and spend $2 billion,

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you can make up some great mysteries about it too.

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Carrie Mullis, Nobel laureate.

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Carrie Mullis, Nobel laureate, 1992

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for the invention of polymerase chain reaction,

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not the PCR test as people often slightly say,

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say slightly erroneously.

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It's not the PCR test he invented.

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And we could talk forever about Carrie.

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We knew him and loved him and there's a lot to say

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about that but he said everything while he was alive

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and what he is saying right here

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is the essence of everything.

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The mystery of that damn virus has been,

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okay, so he's focusing on the money

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but what you see in this observation is

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they projected onto absolutely nothing,

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a belief, an absolute,

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in other words, they told the whole world

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you are seeing something here, you are seeing something here.

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So we know this can happen

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but we still can't quite believe it.

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And it's Hans Christian Andersen's child.

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It's mass hysteria, it's everything with COVID,

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it's everything we're living.

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So I think now AIDS is but an early,

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extremely tragic example of the waters we swim in.

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And I always call everything monarch now.

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The waters we swim in, namely,

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those people out there who are generating all of these

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traumatic simulation experiences for humanity

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were never trying to be accurate.

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They're not trying to be accurate now.

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I think what's different about the HIV story

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is that there was such an enormous effort

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in so many countries over so many years

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with so many professionals

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and scientists and doctors and academics and journalists

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to sandbag it, to stop it.

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And it depends which lens you're using to look at it.

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Was it a success, a failure?

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Was the war won?

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Was the war lost?

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I think putting everything on the record

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means that something was gained and won.

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And you can see that in this slide here,

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something enormous was gained and won.

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And when I look at things like this,

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I think it's actually pretty amazing

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that I guess that we got as far as we did.

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So here's a list.

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I love this list and I talk about it a lot

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and I wanna talk about it more.

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These are, this is as of 2012.

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So this is now 12 years ago.

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This was obviously, this list is,

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is not circulating anymore because this war is over

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and they've moved on.

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But this was 2,897 signatories

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to the dissent against the HIV lie.

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And as it says here, they included 608 PhDs, 377 MDs,

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three Nobel laureates

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with a combined four Nobel prizes in chemistry.

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Kerry is one of them.

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You can see this list.

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You can see this list if you want to at rethinkingaids.com

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under a link that says signatories.

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I think this is important.

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Obviously, all these people,

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every single person who signed this list

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was also signing on to, as I say here,

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professional and economic blight, if not annihilation.

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And here's my key.

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Here's the good news.

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This many did it anyway.

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And we should, we should be grateful for that.

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God bless these people.

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Here's a typical, very typical,

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I could call up thousands of headlines.

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It was the same article replicated again

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and again and again.

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We'll be familiar to all of you in the COVID era.

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So I'll read what I've written here on this slide.

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Between 1987 and 2008, thousands of media outlets

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wrote versions of the same article

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accusing AIDS deniers of mass murder, AIDS deniers in quotes.

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Peter Duisburg was the primary scapegoat.

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We were terrorized, abused, targeted, defunded,

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mocked and accused without respite.

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It was psychological warfare.

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And by the way, in that psychological warfare,

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some people did well and some people did less well.

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And I did much less well in that psychological warfare.

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I experienced from the, let me, I'll show you.

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I've never shown this before.

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I don't think I have.

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So that's me with blood on my face.

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And I was told by the person or somebody who knew the person

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who created it, that this was real human blood.

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They made one of these for myself, for Peter Duisburg,

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for the Perth group, Elena Eliopoulos,

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maybe Dr. Roberto Giraldo.

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And also the Foo Fighters,

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which is an interesting story in and of itself.

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So the idea here, well, okay, let me read what I've written.

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In 2006, after Harper's published an 11,000 article of mine,

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two years in the making called

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Out of Control, AIDS and the Corruption of Medical Science,

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a British HIV researcher named John P. Moore

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set up an attack website from South Africa called,

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and he was in New York, but the site was from South Africa,

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called AIDStruth.org.

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A gay activist in London created this.

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I remember vividly when I first saw this,

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and again, I said, I didn't do so well with,

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the thing to do would have been to be armed against,

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and either laugh at it or dismiss it,

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but I was very receptive to this voodoo.

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I knew after my Harper's article that I,

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they had been after me for a long time

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and all kinds of crazy things had happened,

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but I was officially marked for complete annihilation

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after that Harper's article, which they really didn't like.

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And it exposed a lot of,

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it exposed the dark Anthony Fauci AIDS apparatus,

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it exposed human experimentation, it exposed murder,

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it exposed extreme corruption and death and murder

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and criminal trials for AIDS drugs in Africa.

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AIDS was a massive, massive cover story

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and front operation for so many different kinds of evil.

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And for me, the kinds of evil,

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the scariest part of it was that it was not merely greed.

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It was not merely money laundering on a Titanic scale.

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It was also some kind of what I have to call occult operations.

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As I think, I think you can see in this picture,

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the people who were against us

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and they did seem to particularly hate the women,

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although they also, more than anybody,

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they hated Peter Duesberg.

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How can I say this?

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They were not normal.

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The attacks were not normal.

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The things that happened to us

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and the way that they spoke of us was,

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it's really something else to hear yourself

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constantly referred to as a member of a group of people

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who are responsible for the deaths of millions,

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which really is, it's easy to say

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who cares what those idiots think,

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but they're really putting people in a frequency of terror

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and it's like degradation.

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This is where I have to go back to Renée Girard.

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Let's look at some of the Renée Girard quotes in a little.

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Okay, first we're gonna look at an Elias Canetti quote.

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I love Elias Canetti.

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I love crowds and power, one of my Bibles.

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I highly recommend everybody read it.

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What's a baiting crowd according to Elias?

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He won the Nobel Prize, by the way, in 1961 for this book

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and it's really a masterpiece.

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It's these somewhat dreamy meditations

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on how packs operate, groups, crowds.

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He talks about crowd, crystals,

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that there are all these different kinds of formations

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that human beings make,

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which also slots in a lot with Renée Girard

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about scapegoats and about sacrifice.

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Everything I think about now, I think about in these terms.

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And I realized that everything that happened

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was inevitable, endlessly cyclical.

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This is absolutely how humanity is

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and probably always will be.

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So it wasn't like there was some kind of terrible aberration

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or mistake, it's just that we live in the modern era.

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And so these are kind of modern ways

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of doing the scapegoat mechanism

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and offering up different kinds of persons for sacrifice,

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which is the scapegoat mechanism.

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And I listened to some people talking about Girard

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the other day and I got a new angle.

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I can't remember their names, but they were saying,

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one of the scapegoat traditions and mechanism

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is to offer up the best for sacrifice.

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So that's kind of how I see

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what they did to Peter Duisburg.

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I've always been fascinated by him and I still am.

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And I actually got to see him on a Zoom call the other day.

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And I'm happy to say he's doing really well.

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Most of you probably know he had a stroke in 2021,

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but he's improving and he's all there.

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His soul, his spirit.

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When I see that innocence in him,

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I see the whole story kind of writing itself out

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in a different way.

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He came over from Germany, superstar, young,

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minted from the Max Planck Institute,

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but he did not have the American,

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he didn't get the memo about what is science

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in the United States after the war

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and what is this Fauci apparatus.

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So everything he did was sort of tragically marked

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by his own really wonderful qualities

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of naivete, purity, which he took for granted

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that that's how a scientist behaves.

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And all the names you saw on that list,

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they took that for granted as well.

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So it's a massive drama.

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It's a massive, massive drama, this whole thing.

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Okay.

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A scapegoat remains effective, sorry about the typo,

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as long as we believe in its guilt.

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Having a scapegoat means not knowing that we have one.

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We bond, again, Girard, we bond together in mutual hatred.

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0:43:49 --> 0:43:51
No one needs to be taught to scapegoat.

536
0:43:51 --> 0:43:52
We do it instinctively.

537
0:43:53 --> 0:43:57
Instead, we actively need to be taught not to scapegoat.

538
0:43:59 --> 0:44:02
And lastly, behind every act of violence

539
0:44:02 --> 0:44:05
lies a desire for recognition and status.

540
0:44:05 --> 0:44:07
Yeah, you can say that again.

541
0:44:09 --> 0:44:13
So this morning, Kevin Corbett, who you all know well,

542
0:44:13 --> 0:44:18
called me to say, I can't come to your presentation

543
0:44:18 --> 0:44:20
because I'm gonna be at a family event.

544
0:44:21 --> 0:44:24
And I said, Kevin, I'm glad you called.

545
0:44:24 --> 0:44:27
Who is that guy you talk about?

546
0:44:28 --> 0:44:30
I think he fits in with these themes

547
0:44:30 --> 0:44:31
I wanna present today.

548
0:44:31 --> 0:44:33
And he knew exactly what I meant.

549
0:44:33 --> 0:44:35
I said that death-making guy.

550
0:44:37 --> 0:44:40
So Kevin brought to my attention

551
0:44:40 --> 0:44:43
this very interesting researcher

552
0:44:43 --> 0:44:46
who like Peter Duisburg, he came over from Germany.

553
0:44:46 --> 0:44:49
He was only 16 when he came to the United States.

554
0:44:50 --> 0:44:51
Wolfensberger.

555
0:44:51 --> 0:44:56
And he saw, and he saw it more and more clearly,

556
0:44:58 --> 0:44:59
mostly toward the end of his,

557
0:44:59 --> 0:45:03
I mean, it got more intense toward the end of his life,

558
0:45:03 --> 0:45:08
but he saw this, what shall I say, phenomenon,

559
0:45:09 --> 0:45:11
and he called it death-making,

560
0:45:11 --> 0:45:16
which is a really good name for what happened

561
0:45:17 --> 0:45:20
in HIV AIDS, what happened in COVID,

562
0:45:20 --> 0:45:23
what happens with all this stuff.

563
0:45:23 --> 0:45:27
So what did Wolfensberger mean by death-making?

564
0:45:27 --> 0:45:30
What he meant, what he saw in medicine was that,

565
0:45:31 --> 0:45:33
well, you can see the title of his book,

566
0:45:33 --> 0:45:37
The New Genocide of Handicapped and Afflicted People.

567
0:45:39 --> 0:45:40
And this book here,

568
0:45:40 --> 0:45:42
a guideline on protecting the health and lives

569
0:45:42 --> 0:45:44
of patients in hospitals,

570
0:45:44 --> 0:45:47
especially if the patient is a member

571
0:45:47 --> 0:45:50
of a societally devalued class.

572
0:45:50 --> 0:45:54
So what Wolfensberger, and now, I'm total novice.

573
0:45:54 --> 0:45:57
As of this morning, I needed Kevin to remind me

574
0:45:57 --> 0:46:00
who this guy was, but I think we should all look into him.

575
0:46:00 --> 0:46:03
What he saw was that they were beginning in the,

576
0:46:03 --> 0:46:06
I guess he was beginning to observe this,

577
0:46:06 --> 0:46:09
I wanna say in the 70s, but I'm not entirely sure

578
0:46:09 --> 0:46:11
that may have been when he,

579
0:46:11 --> 0:46:13
he may have started it earlier than that.

580
0:46:13 --> 0:46:16
So again, if anybody here is a Wolfensberger expert

581
0:46:16 --> 0:46:18
and I'm botching it, forgive me.

582
0:46:18 --> 0:46:21
But here's what I do know about Wolfensberger.

583
0:46:21 --> 0:46:23
He was seeing that they were,

584
0:46:23 --> 0:46:28
that the medical system was finding ways to kill people off,

585
0:46:30 --> 0:46:32
to sort of prepare people for death

586
0:46:32 --> 0:46:34
by rendering them as good as already dead.

587
0:46:34 --> 0:46:37
And that is absolutely in a nutshell,

588
0:46:38 --> 0:46:40
what I saw, what we saw in HIV AIDS.

589
0:46:40 --> 0:46:43
And if anything was the thing I was fighting against most,

590
0:46:43 --> 0:46:44
it was that.

591
0:46:44 --> 0:46:49
In other words, an antibody test that obviously doesn't,

592
0:46:50 --> 0:46:52
doesn't test for illness to come,

593
0:46:52 --> 0:46:56
doesn't test for infection or virus or any of that.

594
0:46:56 --> 0:46:58
But what it did do was it marked people

595
0:46:58 --> 0:47:03
for death in this apparatus because everybody had agreed,

596
0:47:04 --> 0:47:07
if you test positive, you've got the deadly virus

597
0:47:07 --> 0:47:09
and you're going to die.

598
0:47:10 --> 0:47:15
Gallo in his insanity initially declared

599
0:47:15 --> 0:47:19
that people would die within six months of testing positive

600
0:47:19 --> 0:47:21
and then it became a year and then five years and 10 years

601
0:47:21 --> 0:47:23
and maybe it's 30 years.

602
0:47:23 --> 0:47:26
But what stuck with people was if I get a positive test,

603
0:47:26 --> 0:47:28
I'm already dead.

604
0:47:28 --> 0:47:30
It was very weird.

605
0:47:30 --> 0:47:32
Again, I use the word occult.

606
0:47:32 --> 0:47:37
It was, there was no way to say how long a person might live

607
0:47:37 --> 0:47:39
or die after a test like that.

608
0:47:39 --> 0:47:41
But they kind of went to this,

609
0:47:42 --> 0:47:46
what's the word I'm looking for, oracle.

610
0:47:47 --> 0:47:51
And the oracle always told them bad news.

611
0:47:51 --> 0:47:56
The oracle always said, HIV is deadly, we'll kill you.

612
0:47:56 --> 0:48:00
Gallo's famous quotes, god, he's so crazy.

613
0:48:00 --> 0:48:02
Things like Gallo would kill, I'm sorry,

614
0:48:02 --> 0:48:05
HIV would kill Clark Kent.

615
0:48:05 --> 0:48:07
HIV kills like a truck.

616
0:48:07 --> 0:48:11
No mitigating factors, no co-factors, no hope, no nothing,

617
0:48:11 --> 0:48:13
no nutrition, forget about it.

618
0:48:13 --> 0:48:17
It was just a death blow.

619
0:48:17 --> 0:48:19
And all of us who were fighting

620
0:48:19 --> 0:48:23
in this dismal, grisly war,

621
0:48:24 --> 0:48:26
I think that was the main thing we were,

622
0:48:26 --> 0:48:27
as I say, sandbagging.

623
0:48:27 --> 0:48:30
Gallo didn't prove it, Gallo didn't prove it.

624
0:48:30 --> 0:48:32
Hold off, everybody.

625
0:48:33 --> 0:48:34
Don't believe these people.

626
0:48:34 --> 0:48:36
You don't have to agree to die.

627
0:48:36 --> 0:48:40
And they would die, especially in Africa.

628
0:48:40 --> 0:48:44
I spent a month crossing Africa with two colleagues.

629
0:48:44 --> 0:48:48
In Africa, the death, the voodooing

630
0:48:49 --> 0:48:53
was even more effective in a way.

631
0:48:53 --> 0:48:56
And I heard stories of people would just be told they had,

632
0:48:56 --> 0:48:58
they called it slim disease there,

633
0:48:58 --> 0:49:01
and they would just sort of go down to the river and die.

634
0:49:01 --> 0:49:04
So it was extreme voodoo.

635
0:49:05 --> 0:49:07
And it was extremely cruel.

636
0:49:07 --> 0:49:09
And it meant that all these people,

637
0:49:09 --> 0:49:13
anybody who tested positive was cut off from hope or,

638
0:49:15 --> 0:49:19
I guess, and even cancer patients,

639
0:49:19 --> 0:49:22
you didn't quite see this, a cancer patient.

640
0:49:22 --> 0:49:25
And of course, I detest the cancer industry,

641
0:49:25 --> 0:49:29
but at least they were on a sort of scale of,

642
0:49:29 --> 0:49:32
we find your cancer, we blast you with chemotherapy,

643
0:49:32 --> 0:49:35
and I think there is sacrifice in it,

644
0:49:35 --> 0:49:37
in the cancer model as well.

645
0:49:37 --> 0:49:40
But with HIV, they were already dead.

646
0:49:40 --> 0:49:45
If a woman in the, let's say late 80s,

647
0:49:45 --> 0:49:48
clear through maybe to the early 90s,

648
0:49:48 --> 0:49:50
tested HIV positive and was pregnant,

649
0:49:50 --> 0:49:53
she was absolutely brow beaten and bullied

650
0:49:53 --> 0:49:55
to have an abortion.

651
0:49:55 --> 0:49:58
Your child will die, you're gonna die any minute.

652
0:49:58 --> 0:50:03
And it was so lurid and primitive and relentless.

653
0:50:03 --> 0:50:06
And the weirdest thing about it was that

654
0:50:06 --> 0:50:10
we were in trouble for mitigating

655
0:50:10 --> 0:50:13
or complicating that death story.

656
0:50:13 --> 0:50:17
If you told people, hold off, you don't have to die.

657
0:50:19 --> 0:50:22
First of all, read these papers, deep program yourself.

658
0:50:22 --> 0:50:27
Here's some studies about repairing gut function

659
0:50:27 --> 0:50:30
or improving nutrition and certainly going off

660
0:50:30 --> 0:50:31
the toxic drugs.

661
0:50:31 --> 0:50:33
And here are people who have been HIV positive

662
0:50:33 --> 0:50:36
for 25 years plus and they haven't gotten sick

663
0:50:36 --> 0:50:38
and they haven't died.

664
0:50:38 --> 0:50:40
You would think that normal people

665
0:50:40 --> 0:50:41
would be happy to hear stuff like that,

666
0:50:41 --> 0:50:46
but it was despised, it was despised.

667
0:50:46 --> 0:50:47
God, it was the weirdest thing.

668
0:50:49 --> 0:50:52
And I think really what we were looking at

669
0:50:52 --> 0:50:53
is this Wolfensberger.

670
0:50:53 --> 0:50:57
It's like the beginning of what we're now up to our necks

671
0:50:58 --> 0:51:03
and the beginning of the normalization of eugenics,

672
0:51:03 --> 0:51:06
of mass killing, of depopulation

673
0:51:07 --> 0:51:12
with only the thinnest of pretexts during the HIV years.

674
0:51:13 --> 0:51:16
But what they branded successfully was,

675
0:51:17 --> 0:51:19
as I said, those people are already dead.

676
0:51:19 --> 0:51:23
So when all the AZT victims started to die

677
0:51:23 --> 0:51:27
and the estimate is 300,000, mostly gay men,

678
0:51:27 --> 0:51:30
perished from early high dose AZT

679
0:51:30 --> 0:51:35
because people in the trance

680
0:51:36 --> 0:51:38
and the monarch simulation believed

681
0:51:39 --> 0:51:42
there was an AIDS virus and it killed people very fast.

682
0:51:42 --> 0:51:45
Everybody believed that's what they were looking at.

683
0:51:47 --> 0:51:50
People who were already going to die.

684
0:51:50 --> 0:51:51
And we all fought this.

685
0:51:53 --> 0:51:56
If there was a mother who had a baby

686
0:51:56 --> 0:51:57
and she was HIV positive,

687
0:51:59 --> 0:52:03
all the powers, there are so many horrendous stories.

688
0:52:05 --> 0:52:09
You weren't allowed to, like, let's say she decided,

689
0:52:09 --> 0:52:13
they actually started to push AZT for pregnant women.

690
0:52:15 --> 0:52:19
AZT is a mutagen, teratogen and carcinogen

691
0:52:19 --> 0:52:21
and said to be the most toxic drug

692
0:52:21 --> 0:52:23
ever given to human beings.

693
0:52:23 --> 0:52:26
It's a chemotherapy, DNA, chain terminator.

694
0:52:28 --> 0:52:30
And this business of the golden rule in pregnancy,

695
0:52:30 --> 0:52:34
which is now totally gone with the COVID shots,

696
0:52:34 --> 0:52:37
they really broke a lot of things down in AIDS.

697
0:52:37 --> 0:52:39
They broke that one down in 1994

698
0:52:42 --> 0:52:47
when they got fake science to show that AZT lessened

699
0:52:52 --> 0:52:57
the number of babies born HIV positive, total BS, all of it.

700
0:52:57 --> 0:53:00
But with that, they had broken down the firewall

701
0:53:00 --> 0:53:05
of not giving pregnant women anything at all.

702
0:53:05 --> 0:53:08
Now they could get a drug that was class,

703
0:53:08 --> 0:53:10
I think they've removed this as well,

704
0:53:10 --> 0:53:14
the whole class C and class D, teratogen, mutagen.

705
0:53:14 --> 0:53:16
When you try to find all that for the COVID shots,

706
0:53:16 --> 0:53:18
you can't find it.

707
0:53:22 --> 0:53:25
So the things that were laid down

708
0:53:25 --> 0:53:28
as foundational principles during AIDS,

709
0:53:30 --> 0:53:32
things that were laid down were,

710
0:53:32 --> 0:53:35
I'm gonna try to say them in some kind of reasonable order.

711
0:53:38 --> 0:53:43
Putative, virus, no proof of isolation,

712
0:53:45 --> 0:53:49
no proof of causation, no classical causation,

713
0:53:49 --> 0:53:51
no Cox postulates, no nothing,

714
0:53:51 --> 0:53:55
just a really well-crafted terrifying PsiOP

715
0:53:55 --> 0:53:57
coming through the media that seem,

716
0:53:57 --> 0:53:59
if it has science in it,

717
0:53:59 --> 0:54:03
it's the science of psychological warfare,

718
0:54:03 --> 0:54:06
the science of MKUltra, the science of Monarch programming,

719
0:54:06 --> 0:54:07
the science of trauma.

720
0:54:11 --> 0:54:15
Next comes death making.

721
0:54:16 --> 0:54:20
An antibody test is launched, of course, Gallo's patent.

722
0:54:20 --> 0:54:22
All these guys had patents on these tests

723
0:54:22 --> 0:54:26
and people believed that this was a test

724
0:54:26 --> 0:54:28
that would tell them if they would live or die.

725
0:54:28 --> 0:54:32
So people became like negatively obsessed with the tests

726
0:54:32 --> 0:54:36
and later with so-called viral load testing, which used PCR.

727
0:54:36 --> 0:54:38
So definitely the gay community,

728
0:54:38 --> 0:54:41
but also not the gay community,

729
0:54:41 --> 0:54:44
people would in the 80s and the 90s,

730
0:54:45 --> 0:54:48
they got people so crazy that they believed

731
0:54:48 --> 0:54:50
that when they woke up on a given day,

732
0:54:50 --> 0:54:55
they were only going to live if they ran out to get a test

733
0:54:55 --> 0:54:58
telling them they were still okay.

734
0:54:58 --> 0:55:01
So this is a massive attack and assault

735
0:55:01 --> 0:55:03
on everything that had been before,

736
0:55:03 --> 0:55:08
that you're okay unless for some reason you're not okay.

737
0:55:08 --> 0:55:10
Instead it was nobody's okay,

738
0:55:10 --> 0:55:14
everybody has to get tested all the time.

739
0:55:14 --> 0:55:17
And I don't have that many ideas

740
0:55:17 --> 0:55:20
that I think are like truly my own in all of this.

741
0:55:20 --> 0:55:23
I mostly was a reporter and interviewing other people

742
0:55:23 --> 0:55:24
about what they were thinking.

743
0:55:24 --> 0:55:27
But one idea that I have that is my own

744
0:55:27 --> 0:55:30
is that I think it's a dark,

745
0:55:30 --> 0:55:35
it's a dark mimicry of the financial system.

746
0:55:36 --> 0:55:38
In other words, debt usury,

747
0:55:39 --> 0:55:43
you everybody was in debt to an illness

748
0:55:43 --> 0:55:44
they didn't have yet.

749
0:55:46 --> 0:55:48
And so I feel like they sort of,

750
0:55:48 --> 0:55:53
and that's the monetary black magic came from that,

751
0:55:56 --> 0:56:00
that they launched a whole new way of people thinking about,

752
0:56:02 --> 0:56:04
I guess I would call it health and medicine,

753
0:56:04 --> 0:56:08
that's completely taken out of the human body,

754
0:56:08 --> 0:56:12
nobody's even thinking about how they feel.

755
0:56:12 --> 0:56:14
Certainly nobody's thinking about nutrition

756
0:56:14 --> 0:56:16
or health or toxins or anything else.

757
0:56:16 --> 0:56:19
Everything is outsourced to this evil new place,

758
0:56:24 --> 0:56:29
which is diagnostic testing, surrogate markers.

759
0:56:29 --> 0:56:30
You know, you can,

760
0:56:30 --> 0:56:32
there's no way to describe the colossal money,

761
0:56:34 --> 0:56:36
but worse than the money,

762
0:56:36 --> 0:56:40
worse than the exploitation and the gold rush

763
0:56:40 --> 0:56:43
is that they flipped people's minds so badly.

764
0:56:43 --> 0:56:48
And that's certainly, wow, I mean, talk about Psyop.

765
0:56:50 --> 0:56:53
Before AIDS, I guess it's fair to say people believe

766
0:56:53 --> 0:56:55
that sex caused life.

767
0:56:55 --> 0:56:59
After AIDS, people were all on board,

768
0:57:00 --> 0:57:04
unless they were deprogrammed with that sex caused death.

769
0:57:04 --> 0:57:07
So what else do we have introduced here?

770
0:57:07 --> 0:57:11
Terror of other humans, terror of human intimacy,

771
0:57:11 --> 0:57:15
terror, it's like biology as terrorism,

772
0:57:15 --> 0:57:18
virus as terrorists.

773
0:57:18 --> 0:57:20
And all this is happening by and through

774
0:57:20 --> 0:57:23
and from the same military apparatus

775
0:57:23 --> 0:57:26
that brought you everything, all the wars, 9-11.

776
0:57:27 --> 0:57:29
What people didn't catch though

777
0:57:29 --> 0:57:31
was that they were thinking like that,

778
0:57:31 --> 0:57:34
they were primed and brainwashed to think that way

779
0:57:35 --> 0:57:39
and now about their own biology, cells,

780
0:57:41 --> 0:57:44
their own, you know, that there's some little

781
0:57:44 --> 0:57:48
microscopic organism that you picked up from somebody

782
0:57:48 --> 0:57:51
somewhere and now it's trying to kill you.

783
0:57:51 --> 0:57:55
And this is so absolutely outrageous.

784
0:57:55 --> 0:57:59
It's such an attack on everything, everything known,

785
0:57:59 --> 0:58:00
everything sacred.

786
0:58:00 --> 0:58:03
I would say an attack on God, not just I would say,

787
0:58:03 --> 0:58:05
but it was an attack on God.

788
0:58:05 --> 0:58:10
It is formally known as the machine model of biology

789
0:58:10 --> 0:58:14
comes in around World War I and it's post-Darwinism

790
0:58:14 --> 0:58:17
and it says, human beings are machines.

791
0:58:18 --> 0:58:21
We are the tinkerers, we are the fixers.

792
0:58:21 --> 0:58:24
We will tell these human beings when they have a broken part

793
0:58:24 --> 0:58:26
and we will replace it.

794
0:58:27 --> 0:58:30
This was explained to me by an amazing scientist

795
0:58:30 --> 0:58:33
named Richard Stroman, Dave Brasnik knew him too.

796
0:58:33 --> 0:58:37
He was a genetic, he was a geneticist who lectured

797
0:58:37 --> 0:58:39
around the world in the last years of his life,

798
0:58:39 --> 0:58:42
warning people against genetic determinism.

799
0:58:42 --> 0:58:47
So in this beautiful, in this beautiful coterie,

800
0:58:50 --> 0:58:55
there were many laments and cries

801
0:58:56 --> 0:59:01
and things people were talking about

802
0:59:01 --> 0:59:03
that didn't all take center stage.

803
0:59:03 --> 0:59:05
What tended to take center stage was the, I think,

804
0:59:05 --> 0:59:10
very boring endless battle of what did Gallup prove

805
0:59:10 --> 0:59:12
or not prove and I'm sorry, I bored you with it earlier,

806
0:59:12 --> 0:59:17
but I want you to know where to go for the smoking gun.

807
0:59:17 --> 0:59:18
But there was so much else in it.

808
0:59:18 --> 0:59:23
There was so much else going on with alienation,

809
0:59:23 --> 0:59:26
separation, apartheid, technocracy,

810
0:59:26 --> 0:59:31
everything that we are now living in this frankly nightmare.

811
0:59:31 --> 0:59:35
They really laid down the capstones in HIV AIDS

812
0:59:35 --> 0:59:38
and we just didn't know what was going on.

813
0:59:38 --> 0:59:43
We didn't know who these people were, where they came from

814
0:59:43 --> 0:59:46
and if we made a miscalculation or error,

815
0:59:46 --> 0:59:49
I mean, apart from that they would just stomp us bloody

816
0:59:49 --> 0:59:52
and dead and we'd have no chance.

817
0:59:52 --> 0:59:55
The miscalculation I think is to look too much

818
0:59:55 --> 0:59:59
at the esoteric science and not nearly enough

819
0:59:59 --> 1:00:03
at the mind assault, mind rape, psychology

820
1:00:03 --> 1:00:08
of MKUltra monarch programming and that all comes out of,

821
1:00:10 --> 1:00:11
and that's literally Joseph Goebbels.

822
1:00:16 --> 1:00:17
Wait, that might be wrong.

823
1:00:17 --> 1:00:18
Do I mean Goebbels?

824
1:00:18 --> 1:00:19
No, I mean the other one.

825
1:00:20 --> 1:00:24
Very famous, very famous Nazi.

826
1:00:24 --> 1:00:25
Sorry, there's another one.

827
1:00:25 --> 1:00:27
I think I got that name wrong.

828
1:00:28 --> 1:00:33
In any case, I wanna ask what time it is.

829
1:00:33 --> 1:00:34
It was during.

830
1:00:34 --> 1:00:36
During, thank you.

831
1:00:37 --> 1:00:41
Now I see that my clock here is 4.32.

832
1:00:41 --> 1:00:44
So I think that means, so I got us off to late start

833
1:00:44 --> 1:00:46
and I think I've spoken for one hour.

834
1:00:46 --> 1:00:48
I had intended not to speak so long

835
1:00:48 --> 1:00:51
because I really wanted to ask you all,

836
1:00:51 --> 1:00:54
what do you wanna ask me because it's so much,

837
1:00:54 --> 1:00:57
it's so much, it's so much and I tried to throw

838
1:00:57 --> 1:00:59
as much as I could into the basket.

839
1:00:59 --> 1:01:03
I had initially pulled out a video of Janine Roberts

840
1:01:03 --> 1:01:06
that I wanted to play for you.

841
1:01:06 --> 1:01:10
It's eight minutes long and it's not about the Gallo stuff

842
1:01:10 --> 1:01:11
because we already went over that.

843
1:01:12 --> 1:01:15
It's where she talks about what she found

844
1:01:15 --> 1:01:19
about what retroviruses and viruses actually are

845
1:01:19 --> 1:01:21
and it's this beautiful story,

846
1:01:21 --> 1:01:24
sort of like a Fantasia story she tells.

847
1:01:26 --> 1:01:31
Janine was transgender and I feel like somehow

848
1:01:31 --> 1:01:32
her perspectives on all this,

849
1:01:32 --> 1:01:35
I don't just rave about her work

850
1:01:35 --> 1:01:37
because she got the smoking gun with Gallo and all that,

851
1:01:37 --> 1:01:41
but because the story she tells in Fear of the Invisible,

852
1:01:42 --> 1:01:47
it's like a love story where she narrates the real story

853
1:01:47 --> 1:01:52
of how magnificently made we are and what's really going on

854
1:01:52 --> 1:01:56
in what gets falsely accused by the virus hunters

855
1:01:56 --> 1:02:01
and the warmongers as viruses trying to kill us

856
1:02:01 --> 1:02:03
and she turns it around and I found this clip

857
1:02:03 --> 1:02:06
that Gary Knoll filmed with her and it was eight minutes long

858
1:02:06 --> 1:02:09
but now I'm on the fence whether we have time for that

859
1:02:09 --> 1:02:12
or whether we should just go straight to Q and A.

860
1:02:12 --> 1:02:13
Yes, play it.

861
1:02:13 --> 1:02:14
Play it.

862
1:02:14 --> 1:02:16
Play it, okay, wonderful, I love you guys.

863
1:02:20 --> 1:02:22
That's not it, wait a minute, here we go.

864
1:02:23 --> 1:02:27
Sorry, I have, you go away, okay, here we go.

865
1:02:35 --> 1:02:39
These documents are dated before the name HIV came into use.

866
1:02:40 --> 1:02:41
It wasn't used before 1986.

867
1:02:42 --> 1:02:45
So you actually quite clearly fraudulent.

868
1:02:46 --> 1:02:48
The evidence was so strong that

869
1:02:50 --> 1:02:52
the congressional investigator,

870
1:02:52 --> 1:02:53
Rebecca Sells, John Dingle.

871
1:02:53 --> 1:02:56
Celia, we can't see the movie.

872
1:02:56 --> 1:02:58
Oh, I'm sorry, what's happening?

873
1:02:58 --> 1:02:59
You can't see the screen?

874
1:02:59 --> 1:03:02
Oh, oh, I gotcha, okay, I see what happened.

875
1:03:03 --> 1:03:08
I clicked on it and I'm watching it on YouTube on my screen.

876
1:03:08 --> 1:03:11
Yes, I think you have to close the PowerPoint.

877
1:03:11 --> 1:03:13
There it is, good.

878
1:03:13 --> 1:03:14
Now you see it?

879
1:03:14 --> 1:03:15
Yeah.

880
1:03:15 --> 1:03:15
Press that.

881
1:03:15 --> 1:03:16
Yeah, we see her, yeah.

882
1:03:19 --> 1:03:22
These documents are dated before the name HIV.

883
1:03:22 --> 1:03:23
Is that working?

884
1:03:23 --> 1:03:24
Yep.

885
1:03:24 --> 1:03:26
Yeah, what did you say at the beginning?

886
1:03:26 --> 1:03:27
I can't, I can't.

887
1:03:27 --> 1:03:29
Okay, I'll rewind it.

888
1:03:29 --> 1:03:31
Everyone can see it and hear it, right?

889
1:03:31 --> 1:03:32
Yep. Yes, okay.

890
1:03:33 --> 1:03:37
These documents are dated before the name HIV

891
1:03:37 --> 1:03:38
came into use.

892
1:03:38 --> 1:03:40
It wasn't used before 1986.

893
1:03:41 --> 1:03:43
So you actually, quite clearly fraudulent.

894
1:03:45 --> 1:03:47
The evidence was so strong that

895
1:03:49 --> 1:03:50
the congressional investigator,

896
1:03:50 --> 1:03:52
Rebecca Sells, John Dingle,

897
1:03:53 --> 1:03:56
and the Secret Service had these documents presented

898
1:03:56 --> 1:03:58
to a state attorney general for prosecution.

899
1:04:00 --> 1:04:04
And it was ruled out of time

900
1:04:05 --> 1:04:08
because it had taken so many years to uncover this.

901
1:04:08 --> 1:04:11
And therefore, on a technicality,

902
1:04:11 --> 1:04:16
as we can judge, he was not prosecuted for the fraud.

903
1:04:16 --> 1:04:17
But I mean, that's what he said.

904
1:04:17 --> 1:04:19
I was never, he sent an email to me

905
1:04:19 --> 1:04:21
which I believe is just in my book.

906
1:04:22 --> 1:04:24
Full, I don't believe in hiding anything.

907
1:04:24 --> 1:04:26
So the whole, not censored,

908
1:04:26 --> 1:04:29
the entire attack from him is in the book.

909
1:04:30 --> 1:04:34
And the Secret Service, the guys who were off the test me,

910
1:04:34 --> 1:04:36
they were saying he's wrong.

911
1:04:36 --> 1:04:38
And I told Robert Garner that,

912
1:04:38 --> 1:04:41
he has no response to talk to him now.

913
1:04:41 --> 1:04:44
I haven't gotten touch with Popovic.

914
1:04:44 --> 1:04:46
Popovic was offered a professorship

915
1:04:46 --> 1:04:49
in Robert Garner's new institute in Baltimore.

916
1:04:50 --> 1:04:54
Garner was kicked, were basically told, I understand.

917
1:04:54 --> 1:04:56
I was like, no.

918
1:04:56 --> 1:04:58
He was told he had to leave the NIH

919
1:04:58 --> 1:05:00
after it was proved he was told the French virus.

920
1:05:02 --> 1:05:07
A year later, he set up in Baltimore, the IHV,

921
1:05:08 --> 1:05:11
his own institute, not HIV, but all to the round,

922
1:05:11 --> 1:05:14
where he's currently advising African governments

923
1:05:14 --> 1:05:17
financed by Bill Gates and the Defense Department.

924
1:05:19 --> 1:05:23
Just two years ago, he put out on his website

925
1:05:23 --> 1:05:25
that he got a new idea on HIV.

926
1:05:25 --> 1:05:28
He's still highly influential, this man.

927
1:05:28 --> 1:05:31
He's the guru of the HIV establishment.

928
1:05:32 --> 1:05:37
He put out on his website that anyone who,

929
1:05:39 --> 1:05:43
anyone who fears that they've had a night of unguarded sex,

930
1:05:43 --> 1:05:46
that they're not trusting their partner,

931
1:05:47 --> 1:05:49
should go on antiretropharals.

932
1:05:51 --> 1:05:55
A year later, the CDC made this official policy

933
1:05:55 --> 1:05:57
in the United States.

934
1:05:57 --> 1:06:01
It says on the CDC website that a person

935
1:06:01 --> 1:06:06
who is fearful because they suspect their partner

936
1:06:06 --> 1:06:08
or because the condom broke,

937
1:06:08 --> 1:06:12
should go on a sharp course, say a month,

938
1:06:12 --> 1:06:14
of chemotherapy, of antiretrophar therapy

939
1:06:14 --> 1:06:18
in order to stop getting infected.

940
1:06:18 --> 1:06:18
Wow.

941
1:06:18 --> 1:06:21
I mean, this is, you know, these are drugs,

942
1:06:21 --> 1:06:23
when we use them against cancer,

943
1:06:23 --> 1:06:26
we watch the patients like a hawk,

944
1:06:26 --> 1:06:28
their hair falls out,

945
1:06:28 --> 1:06:30
we get them off the drugs as soon as possible,

946
1:06:30 --> 1:06:32
as soon as these patients are put on them for life.

947
1:06:33 --> 1:06:35
When they die on these drugs,

948
1:06:35 --> 1:06:37
they're said to die of AIDS.

949
1:06:39 --> 1:06:44
The manufacturers warn on one of the drugs used,

950
1:06:45 --> 1:06:47
this drug produces the same body wasting

951
1:06:47 --> 1:06:50
as found in AIDS cases.

952
1:06:51 --> 1:06:55
You see, it's very hard to attack an invisible virus.

953
1:06:57 --> 1:07:00
The only, and this is true of all viruses,

954
1:07:00 --> 1:07:03
we've only got vaccines that give us antibodies,

955
1:07:03 --> 1:07:06
and then we claim that these antibodies stop the virus.

956
1:07:07 --> 1:07:12
Or we try to stop the cell from making them,

957
1:07:12 --> 1:07:15
because every virus that exists is made by cells.

958
1:07:15 --> 1:07:19
They're made by plant cells, fish cells, human cells.

959
1:07:20 --> 1:07:22
They're a natural product

960
1:07:22 --> 1:07:25
that even healthy cells make viruses.

961
1:07:25 --> 1:07:28
We're only now, leading biologists are now coming

962
1:07:28 --> 1:07:29
to understand why they do this.

963
1:07:31 --> 1:07:33
So to simply go from the presence of a virus

964
1:07:33 --> 1:07:36
to say it's the cause of an illness,

965
1:07:36 --> 1:07:39
is jumping a very, very big gun.

966
1:07:39 --> 1:07:40
It's jumping a gorge.

967
1:07:41 --> 1:07:42
Because,

968
1:07:44 --> 1:07:47
see, our cells need to talk to each other.

969
1:07:47 --> 1:07:50
They need to send genetic codes from one to another.

970
1:07:51 --> 1:07:54
The wonderful Barbara McClintock, Nobel Laureate,

971
1:07:54 --> 1:07:57
explained this, she was ridiculed at first.

972
1:07:57 --> 1:07:59
She's an inspiring woman in biology.

973
1:08:00 --> 1:08:02
She didn't guess her Nobel Laureate prize

974
1:08:02 --> 1:08:03
when she got to her 80s.

975
1:08:05 --> 1:08:06
Because what she had said was

976
1:08:06 --> 1:08:09
that plant cells are intelligent.

977
1:08:09 --> 1:08:11
And when she gave the Nobel Laureate speech,

978
1:08:11 --> 1:08:12
she explained what she meant.

979
1:08:13 --> 1:08:17
You see that all cells, whether they're in us or in plants,

980
1:08:17 --> 1:08:20
are constantly sniffing their environment

981
1:08:20 --> 1:08:24
and changing their DNA to give themselves protection.

982
1:08:24 --> 1:08:27
So tobacco smoke, modern toxins go past.

983
1:08:27 --> 1:08:32
The cell changes its DNA to give itself protection.

984
1:08:32 --> 1:08:34
Every cell, from plant to a human,

985
1:08:34 --> 1:08:37
has got five feet of DNA.

986
1:08:37 --> 1:08:38
It's like gossamer.

987
1:08:38 --> 1:08:40
It's like very fine silk.

988
1:08:40 --> 1:08:42
And it's rolled into the tightest of all

989
1:08:42 --> 1:08:45
in the center of every cell that exists.

990
1:08:45 --> 1:08:48
And this is leading biology.

991
1:08:48 --> 1:08:49
No one challenged it.

992
1:08:49 --> 1:08:52
Five feet, tightly encoded in fours.

993
1:08:52 --> 1:08:54
Computers encode in two.

994
1:08:54 --> 1:08:58
So these long strands are packed with information.

995
1:08:58 --> 1:09:01
And today our evolutionary biologists

996
1:09:01 --> 1:09:04
are unraveling these codes.

997
1:09:04 --> 1:09:07
Because these codes show how we evolved

998
1:09:07 --> 1:09:11
over the last few millions, hundreds of millions of years.

999
1:09:12 --> 1:09:16
Over a third of our genome has been shared between cells

1000
1:09:16 --> 1:09:19
because it's got the fingerprints of rectal pharces on it.

1001
1:09:19 --> 1:09:23
Because when a cell makes the codes it wants,

1002
1:09:23 --> 1:09:26
it does it with what is called a rectal transphosphon,

1003
1:09:26 --> 1:09:30
which like an engineer, that's only this size of a molecule.

1004
1:09:30 --> 1:09:34
And they are first described by the brilliant Barbara McIntock.

1005
1:09:38 --> 1:09:41
They work hard changing the DNA.

1006
1:09:41 --> 1:09:43
This is what hospital swimmer bugs do.

1007
1:09:43 --> 1:09:44
That's how they protect themselves against drugs

1008
1:09:44 --> 1:09:45
in hospitals.

1009
1:09:45 --> 1:09:48
And it's how my nose cells do, my fingers, everything does.

1010
1:09:48 --> 1:09:50
All cells do this.

1011
1:09:50 --> 1:09:55
They adjust their DNA to protect us.

1012
1:09:55 --> 1:09:58
Sometimes they will go, you're a reaper.

1013
1:09:58 --> 1:10:00
And say, right, we've got the answer.

1014
1:10:00 --> 1:10:05
This new bit of DNA is what we need, gives us protection.

1015
1:10:05 --> 1:10:08
Now we are multicellular creatures.

1016
1:10:08 --> 1:10:10
And it's silly to say that every cell of our body

1017
1:10:10 --> 1:10:13
has to invent the will for itself.

1018
1:10:13 --> 1:10:16
The next thing that little bit of code has to do

1019
1:10:16 --> 1:10:18
is to get to other cells.

1020
1:10:18 --> 1:10:22
It adds a small piece of DNA, called an MA domain,

1021
1:10:22 --> 1:10:25
to the end of a rectal transphosphon.

1022
1:10:25 --> 1:10:28
That turns it into a rectal pharmas.

1023
1:10:28 --> 1:10:31
Yes, the rectal pharmas, the same thing that we blame on AIDS.

1024
1:10:31 --> 1:10:35
The cell then buzzes out through its soft membrane, its skin,

1025
1:10:35 --> 1:10:37
which is very pliable.

1026
1:10:37 --> 1:10:40
Proteins form around it to protect the precious cargo

1027
1:10:40 --> 1:10:43
of a lovely new piece of DNA.

1028
1:10:43 --> 1:10:46
It goes out into the space between our cells.

1029
1:10:46 --> 1:10:48
It's got markers on the outside to tell the cells what

1030
1:10:48 --> 1:10:50
it's got inside it.

1031
1:10:50 --> 1:10:54
Other cells reach out for it, draw it into themselves,

1032
1:10:54 --> 1:10:58
take that precious cargo, and they put it in their inner

1033
1:10:58 --> 1:10:59
sanctum.

1034
1:10:59 --> 1:11:02
They put it in their genome, in their DNA.

1035
1:11:02 --> 1:11:03
They incorporate it.

1036
1:11:03 --> 1:11:04
That's how much they trust it.

1037
1:11:04 --> 1:11:08
And that's how they've done for the last 200 million years.

1038
1:11:08 --> 1:11:12
And that's why we find one third of our DNA

1039
1:11:12 --> 1:11:14
has been transported from cell to cell.

1040
1:11:14 --> 1:11:15
It's how we evolve.

1041
1:11:15 --> 1:11:17
It's how all creatures evolve.

1042
1:11:17 --> 1:11:19
The rectal pharmas is now being found

1043
1:11:19 --> 1:11:24
at the center for human life, for all life on our planet.

1044
1:11:24 --> 1:11:27
And this is transforming biology.

1045
1:11:27 --> 1:11:31
And yet, this is the very same concept

1046
1:11:31 --> 1:11:34
that Gallo and others were looking to say

1047
1:11:34 --> 1:11:38
was a pathology, the cause of AIDS.

1048
1:11:38 --> 1:11:40
We only have a few minutes left for this part

1049
1:11:40 --> 1:11:42
of our discussion.

1050
1:11:42 --> 1:11:45
Who else?

1051
1:11:45 --> 1:11:47
OK.

1052
1:11:47 --> 1:11:49
So sorry, guys.

1053
1:11:49 --> 1:11:55
So as I'm watching that again, I want

1054
1:11:55 --> 1:12:01
to return to something I said before, the reason.

1055
1:12:01 --> 1:12:03
Janine stayed with me when she came to New York

1056
1:12:03 --> 1:12:07
when this was filmed to be interviewed by Gary Nel.

1057
1:12:07 --> 1:12:11
I don't know how all the different factions, virus,

1058
1:12:11 --> 1:12:13
no virus, et cetera, lost sight of Janine.

1059
1:12:13 --> 1:12:16
But I'm doing my part to bring her back up.

1060
1:12:16 --> 1:12:20
So what I see here, and the reason I am obsessed

1061
1:12:20 --> 1:12:28
with Renée Girard also, when I say HIV, what is that?

1062
1:12:28 --> 1:12:32
It's in heavy quotation marks.

1063
1:12:32 --> 1:12:36
The ultimate scapegoat.

1064
1:12:36 --> 1:12:41
And it's painful to think of that these wizards

1065
1:12:41 --> 1:12:45
did this black magic, that they turned.

1066
1:12:45 --> 1:12:51
It's not just that they, retroviruses, if they exist,

1067
1:12:51 --> 1:12:52
et cetera, were innocent.

1068
1:12:52 --> 1:12:57
It's not just that HIV, quote unquote, was innocent.

1069
1:12:57 --> 1:13:01
It's that they, and it, and the whole cellular symphony,

1070
1:13:02 --> 1:13:06
was always on our side, helping us, helping us, helping us.

1071
1:13:06 --> 1:13:12
At the very same moment as these bastards, these virus hunter

1072
1:13:12 --> 1:13:21
men, these greedy, violent men, were branding these processes

1073
1:13:22 --> 1:13:25
as terrorists, out to get us, out to kill us.

1074
1:13:27 --> 1:13:30
The medium being human intimacy itself.

1075
1:13:31 --> 1:13:33
It is so wicked and so evil.

1076
1:13:33 --> 1:13:41
I can't get past that first entryway to the point where

1077
1:13:42 --> 1:13:45
I'm willing to fiddle with the science, which, again,

1078
1:13:46 --> 1:13:48
not very good at.

1079
1:13:48 --> 1:13:55
Because I think if you just look at the story of how they did that,

1080
1:13:56 --> 1:14:01
how they did that terror branding, the whole entire story is there.

1081
1:14:01 --> 1:14:06
And if you could throw that out, there would be nothing left

1082
1:14:08 --> 1:14:11
to tinker with, or to prove, or disprove.

1083
1:14:11 --> 1:14:15
I sometimes feel I'm good friends with Val Turner.

1084
1:14:16 --> 1:14:22
The work that Perth Group did was heroic and magnificent.

1085
1:14:23 --> 1:14:25
But I'm having a dialogue right now with Val Turner,

1086
1:14:25 --> 1:14:31
where I'm essentially saying, I mean, it's like the flip

1087
1:14:31 --> 1:14:32
side of the coin.

1088
1:14:32 --> 1:14:36
The orthodoxy says HIV causes AIDS, kills like a truck,

1089
1:14:36 --> 1:14:37
all this insanity.

1090
1:14:38 --> 1:14:42
And the counter-orthodoxy engages at that level.

1091
1:14:43 --> 1:14:44
No, it doesn't.

1092
1:14:44 --> 1:14:45
No, it doesn't.

1093
1:14:45 --> 1:14:45
No, it doesn't.

1094
1:14:48 --> 1:14:51
I think I feel today that was all important work, but it's still

1095
1:14:51 --> 1:14:53
part of the trap, if you will.

1096
1:14:54 --> 1:15:00
And I'm very interested in getting out of the trap altogether.

1097
1:15:01 --> 1:15:01
Thank you.

1098
1:15:02 --> 1:15:04
Celia, thank you.

1099
1:15:04 --> 1:15:06
So if you could stop your share screen.

1100
1:15:06 --> 1:15:10
So it's good practice to stop it, move your cursor to the top of your screen,

1101
1:15:10 --> 1:15:12
and give you the option to stop sharing.

1102
1:15:15 --> 1:15:16
There you are.

1103
1:15:16 --> 1:15:16
Well done.

1104
1:15:17 --> 1:15:23
You'll become a PowerPoint presenter on Zoom in no time.

1105
1:15:24 --> 1:15:30
Thank you for that deeply disturbing, insightful,

1106
1:15:32 --> 1:15:34
wise coverage.

1107
1:15:34 --> 1:15:41
And I honor your courage in facing that criticism and the attacks on you.

1108
1:15:41 --> 1:15:44
And there have been plenty of people here who have been attacked.

1109
1:15:45 --> 1:15:48
And it's an interesting question, isn't it?

1110
1:15:48 --> 1:15:50
Is life about avoiding being attacked?

1111
1:15:50 --> 1:15:52
Let's reach one of us to consider.

1112
1:15:53 --> 1:15:58
Stephen, as you know, Celia has the first 15 minutes of questions.

1113
1:15:58 --> 1:15:59
I'm sure he's ready to go.

1114
1:15:59 --> 1:16:04
And then anyone else who has questions and thoughts, please put your hand up.

1115
1:16:04 --> 1:16:05
But Stephen, over to you.

1116
1:16:07 --> 1:16:15
Yeah, Celia, it's very hard to follow that wonderful, brilliant presentation.

1117
1:16:16 --> 1:16:22
I don't think you understand how, at least you speak to some of us.

1118
1:16:22 --> 1:16:27
But to those people who get you, I think

1119
1:16:27 --> 1:16:29
you're just a wonderful storyteller.

1120
1:16:29 --> 1:16:31
And also you think aloud.

1121
1:16:32 --> 1:16:35
And at least to me, you really talk to me.

1122
1:16:35 --> 1:16:42
So Janine, I also picked up on your why I think you admire Janine.

1123
1:16:44 --> 1:16:51
More than anybody, as I understand it, you kind of have got her up there,

1124
1:16:51 --> 1:16:53
even a head of Peter Juesberg, maybe.

1125
1:16:54 --> 1:17:02
So Joanne, at the beginning of that clip, I think was describing a cult.

1126
1:17:04 --> 1:17:09
And much of the time you were talking, you were describing a cult, as I could see it.

1127
1:17:10 --> 1:17:11
A death cult.

1128
1:17:11 --> 1:17:14
Well, all cults are deadly, maybe.

1129
1:17:14 --> 1:17:15
Or potentially deadly.

1130
1:17:16 --> 1:17:18
But also the evil of what has happened

1131
1:17:18 --> 1:17:24
is that they've actually targeted human intimacy with HIV.

1132
1:17:24 --> 1:17:25
They've done it again.

1133
1:17:26 --> 1:17:28
They've done it again in 2020.

1134
1:17:28 --> 1:17:30
They love it, don't they?

1135
1:17:30 --> 1:17:31
They really love it.

1136
1:17:32 --> 1:17:36
So while you were talking, I was reminded that in the last summer,

1137
1:17:36 --> 1:17:43
I was talking to Kevin Corbett, who is another brilliant mind.

1138
1:17:43 --> 1:17:44
Brilliant mind.

1139
1:17:44 --> 1:17:49
And he was talking about the rise of virology.

1140
1:17:51 --> 1:17:57
And at the same time, he happened to mention that the immunology had declined in its influence.

1141
1:17:58 --> 1:18:00
And I said, well, those could be connected.

1142
1:18:01 --> 1:18:05
So I began to wonder whether they attacked immunology.

1143
1:18:06 --> 1:18:12
So you could hear Janine describing DNA changing all the time

1144
1:18:12 --> 1:18:13
to protect us.

1145
1:18:14 --> 1:18:19
So the immunologists knew all about the wonderful human immune system.

1146
1:18:19 --> 1:18:21
So complicated.

1147
1:18:21 --> 1:18:24
So complicated that we can't even conceive of.

1148
1:18:25 --> 1:18:27
How can we just look at it in wonder?

1149
1:18:27 --> 1:18:29
And not just immunology, of course.

1150
1:18:29 --> 1:18:34
Many things in the world and in the universe are just amazing

1151
1:18:34 --> 1:18:38
and beyond the ken of mere human beings.

1152
1:18:39 --> 1:18:42
And so it's not a matter of logic.

1153
1:18:42 --> 1:18:44
People say, oh, we're following the science.

1154
1:18:45 --> 1:18:47
But science is manmade, as I see it.

1155
1:18:47 --> 1:18:52
You know, so it's something else that determines things.

1156
1:18:52 --> 1:18:59
Yes, we can put Concorde at 69,000 feet and fly it to America in two hours and 50 minutes,

1157
1:18:59 --> 1:19:00
I think was the record.

1158
1:19:03 --> 1:19:04
And other amazing things.

1159
1:19:04 --> 1:19:06
And we can do it again and again.

1160
1:19:06 --> 1:19:07
We can reproduce it.

1161
1:19:08 --> 1:19:15
But the thing is that when it comes to life and death and illness,

1162
1:19:15 --> 1:19:18
I don't think that science has all the answers.

1163
1:19:18 --> 1:19:21
Indeed, when I was at medical school, we were specifically told

1164
1:19:21 --> 1:19:25
that the practice of medicine is not all about science.

1165
1:19:25 --> 1:19:26
It's an art as well.

1166
1:19:27 --> 1:19:29
So people have been saying we should follow the science.

1167
1:19:29 --> 1:19:30
I don't know where they got that from.

1168
1:19:31 --> 1:19:36
Because medicine is about warning people on hypotheses.

1169
1:19:37 --> 1:19:39
So a hypothesis doesn't come from science.

1170
1:19:39 --> 1:19:42
Yes, you might look at science, but you don't look solely at science.

1171
1:19:42 --> 1:19:43
Do you understand me?

1172
1:19:43 --> 1:19:48
So they attacked immunology to promote virology.

1173
1:19:48 --> 1:19:49
Is that a possibility in your mind?

1174
1:19:50 --> 1:19:51
Absolutely.

1175
1:19:51 --> 1:19:52
Very well said.

1176
1:19:53 --> 1:20:01
Virology was the destruction of immunology and epidemiology and all of it.

1177
1:20:01 --> 1:20:06
It was just the creation of terror and bombs, essentially, in biology.

1178
1:20:06 --> 1:20:08
The same thing.

1179
1:20:08 --> 1:20:09
And by the same people.

1180
1:20:09 --> 1:20:12
You know, this is the military-industrial complex.

1181
1:20:12 --> 1:20:16
The CDC, the NIH, the NCI, all these organizations are military.

1182
1:20:17 --> 1:20:19
I'm sure everybody here knows that.

1183
1:20:19 --> 1:20:20
But I think all of us have...

1184
1:20:20 --> 1:20:22
Peter Duisburg told me that a long time ago.

1185
1:20:22 --> 1:20:24
He said, you know, they're military.

1186
1:20:24 --> 1:20:25
I said, they are.

1187
1:20:25 --> 1:20:27
He said, yeah, you know, they march around.

1188
1:20:27 --> 1:20:28
They have uniforms.

1189
1:20:28 --> 1:20:32
And I started to think, oh, yeah, I think people don't realize this.

1190
1:20:32 --> 1:20:34
This is the military.

1191
1:20:34 --> 1:20:40
And in the military, you're not looking for mystery and revelation and exchange and surprises.

1192
1:20:40 --> 1:20:43
It's a domination hierarchy, absolutely.

1193
1:20:44 --> 1:20:46
And how to put this off is astounding.

1194
1:20:49 --> 1:20:57
So Celia, immunology includes the wonder of us human beings looking at

1195
1:20:58 --> 1:21:01
the amazing immune systems that we have.

1196
1:21:02 --> 1:21:07
And virology is all about oversimplifying the whole nonsense, you know?

1197
1:21:07 --> 1:21:11
The whole thing that we faced in 2020.

1198
1:21:11 --> 1:21:16
And HIV AIDS, you know, Kerry Mullis, who died in...

1199
1:21:16 --> 1:21:18
Well, I think he was probably killed.

1200
1:21:18 --> 1:21:19
They had to kill him.

1201
1:21:19 --> 1:21:21
He had to die, somehow or other.

1202
1:21:21 --> 1:21:26
In August 2019, he had said that...

1203
1:21:26 --> 1:21:31
So he'd been trying to get a paper.

1204
1:21:31 --> 1:21:34
He'd been asking all his colleagues whether they knew a paper.

1205
1:21:35 --> 1:21:38
HIV is the probable cause of AIDS.

1206
1:21:38 --> 1:21:39
That was the sentence he started with.

1207
1:21:39 --> 1:21:41
He ended up asking Montagne.

1208
1:21:41 --> 1:21:43
And Montagne tried to answer him.

1209
1:21:44 --> 1:21:49
And Kerry Mullis said, well, I'm not happy with that study.

1210
1:21:49 --> 1:21:52
I'm not happy with the other study he mentioned.

1211
1:21:52 --> 1:21:57
And then Montagne, in front of a crowd of people around them, walked away.

1212
1:21:58 --> 1:22:00
So Montagne was...

1213
1:22:00 --> 1:22:01
I didn't know whether to...

1214
1:22:03 --> 1:22:07
He also died in, I think it was February 2022,

1215
1:22:08 --> 1:22:13
about a week after a speech in Milan when he, I think, said

1216
1:22:14 --> 1:22:17
that the unvaccinated would save humanity.

1217
1:22:19 --> 1:22:19
Do you know about that?

1218
1:22:20 --> 1:22:21
Absolutely.

1219
1:22:21 --> 1:22:26
Montagne, in our world, in our days, in the late 80s, early 90s, was always...

1220
1:22:28 --> 1:22:29
He wasn't violent.

1221
1:22:29 --> 1:22:30
He didn't attack people.

1222
1:22:30 --> 1:22:32
He wasn't scary like the rest of them.

1223
1:22:34 --> 1:22:37
He introduced cofactors, cofactels.

1224
1:22:39 --> 1:22:41
And he got beaten, beaten, beaten.

1225
1:22:41 --> 1:22:42
They freaked...

1226
1:22:42 --> 1:22:44
I mean, the climate back then, if you even said...

1227
1:22:44 --> 1:22:49
If you're even, look, Montagne himself, and you say at an AIDS conference,

1228
1:22:49 --> 1:22:53
I think cofactors are important, they freaked out.

1229
1:22:53 --> 1:22:55
I mean, it was the end of the world.

1230
1:22:55 --> 1:23:00
There was one such conference where doctors started to come to the microphones and say...

1231
1:23:01 --> 1:23:02
I have...

1232
1:23:02 --> 1:23:04
One doctor said, I have patients who are...

1233
1:23:04 --> 1:23:08
They have AIDS, but they're HIV negative by every test.

1234
1:23:08 --> 1:23:11
And then more doctors streamed to the microphones and said,

1235
1:23:11 --> 1:23:12
yeah, I have some of those too.

1236
1:23:13 --> 1:23:17
And Fauci flew in on Air Force 2 and just quashed it.

1237
1:23:17 --> 1:23:19
It was like social...

1238
1:23:21 --> 1:23:21
It was so...

1239
1:23:22 --> 1:23:28
If you think of woke today and you think of the tripwires and the things that people say,

1240
1:23:28 --> 1:23:31
one word this way or that that gets them destroyed,

1241
1:23:31 --> 1:23:36
back then it was maybe there's a cofactor, maybe nutrition matters.

1242
1:23:36 --> 1:23:38
This was considered absolutely the most disgusting,

1243
1:23:38 --> 1:23:41
horrible, irresponsible stuff you could say.

1244
1:23:41 --> 1:23:46
And those people, to their shock, they would just get bludgeoned and bullied.

1245
1:23:46 --> 1:23:49
And so that taught everybody to say the mantra.

1246
1:23:49 --> 1:23:54
And the mantra was, HIV is the single and sufficient cause of AIDS.

1247
1:23:56 --> 1:23:56
Yeah.

1248
1:23:57 --> 1:24:00
And I think they had to do it in order to do what they did in 2020.

1249
1:24:02 --> 1:24:02
That's right.

1250
1:24:03 --> 1:24:09
They had to get all these crazy scientists behind them on the, you know, follow the signs.

1251
1:24:10 --> 1:24:12
And you got the test, you know, it's the same.

1252
1:24:12 --> 1:24:14
So they had a test with AIDS as well.

1253
1:24:14 --> 1:24:16
That was an antibody test, as I understand it.

1254
1:24:17 --> 1:24:19
And anybody who got positive, as you said,

1255
1:24:20 --> 1:24:25
who came back with the positive results of the antibody was given AZT.

1256
1:24:25 --> 1:24:30
But also, as you pointed out, I didn't, I think I've heard that before, but I'd forgotten

1257
1:24:30 --> 1:24:35
that actually anybody who thought they might have been infected

1258
1:24:35 --> 1:24:39
should start doing a month's course of AZT, one of the deadliest drugs ever,

1259
1:24:40 --> 1:24:41
passing the FDA.

1260
1:24:42 --> 1:24:43
Is that right?

1261
1:24:43 --> 1:24:44
Yeah, it is.

1262
1:24:44 --> 1:24:51
When they actually, the orthodoxy conceded in a very evil way that AZT was deadly.

1263
1:24:52 --> 1:24:57
The AZT fell from grace with the study called the Concord study.

1264
1:24:57 --> 1:24:59
I remember it well, 1993.

1265
1:24:59 --> 1:25:04
The head researcher, a man named Ian Weller, he was literally shaking and white,

1266
1:25:05 --> 1:25:09
so terrified when he gave the results that more people died on AZT.

1267
1:25:09 --> 1:25:12
So it was the first crack in the AZT empire.

1268
1:25:12 --> 1:25:17
And what they did, instead of just destroying and firing everybody,

1269
1:25:17 --> 1:25:24
they knew that the AZT jig was up, and they knew where they were going,

1270
1:25:24 --> 1:25:30
which was, I think there are now at least 100 drugs approved.

1271
1:25:33 --> 1:25:36
Well, they're called, sorry, how am I blanking out on this?

1272
1:25:36 --> 1:25:42
Well, the cocktail therapy, it was like a different class of drugs.

1273
1:25:42 --> 1:25:46
And the original drugs were called nukes, which is, you can hear it in the language,

1274
1:25:46 --> 1:25:48
nucleoside analogs.

1275
1:25:48 --> 1:25:53
And the new drugs were protease inhibitors, which Dave Raznik is a super expert on.

1276
1:25:53 --> 1:25:58
So what they did was instead of saying, you're right, a lot of people died,

1277
1:25:58 --> 1:26:01
we should all fire ourselves and denounce ourselves,

1278
1:26:02 --> 1:26:04
which I think any normal person would do.

1279
1:26:04 --> 1:26:06
My God, were we wrong?

1280
1:26:07 --> 1:26:11
What they did, and you see this all through COVID, is they turned it into,

1281
1:26:11 --> 1:26:16
they had mantras ready to go, they had woke speak ready to go.

1282
1:26:16 --> 1:26:20
And the woke speak that bridged them out of that was lessons learned.

1283
1:26:20 --> 1:26:22
They said, lessons learned.

1284
1:26:23 --> 1:26:29
In order for us to get on the holy road to protease inhibitors,

1285
1:26:30 --> 1:26:32
we had to learn, it's so narcissistic.

1286
1:26:32 --> 1:26:36
In other words, we've learned a lesson, not we killed 300,000 people,

1287
1:26:36 --> 1:26:37
we learned a lesson.

1288
1:26:37 --> 1:26:42
So they kind of throw glory on themselves as they go in their murderous path.

1289
1:26:44 --> 1:26:45
And they haven't changed.

1290
1:26:45 --> 1:26:49
I mean, literally, it's some of the same players, most chiefly Fauci,

1291
1:26:49 --> 1:26:54
but Birx and Redfield and all these guys were very well known to us.

1292
1:26:54 --> 1:26:55
Right, Dave?

1293
1:26:56 --> 1:27:00
So, back to the immunologist.

1294
1:27:00 --> 1:27:04
When I was at medical school, the immunologists were the kings of medicine.

1295
1:27:04 --> 1:27:08
The absolute, the most brilliant doctors went into immunology.

1296
1:27:10 --> 1:27:13
And now it's been cast aside.

1297
1:27:13 --> 1:27:17
So what you've got to put it clearly so that people understand,

1298
1:27:17 --> 1:27:25
watching the video later as well, is that they replaced the immunologists who had respect for,

1299
1:27:29 --> 1:27:31
for lack of a better way of putting it, God's work, if you like.

1300
1:27:32 --> 1:27:36
So the wonder, you know, of isn't nature amazing, you know,

1301
1:27:37 --> 1:27:41
and they replaced it with a deadly cult.

1302
1:27:44 --> 1:27:51
With a defective test, there wasn't a single symptom that was pathognomonic for COVID-19,

1303
1:27:51 --> 1:27:55
despite their attempts to say, oh, yes, loss of taste, loss of smell.

1304
1:27:55 --> 1:27:57
No, sorry, that used to happen to me when I had a cold,

1305
1:27:57 --> 1:28:01
and especially if I had flu, whatever flu is.

1306
1:28:01 --> 1:28:02
Whatever a cold is.

1307
1:28:03 --> 1:28:13
But anyway, so they replaced this kind of wonder, human wonder, by a death, deadly cult,

1308
1:28:13 --> 1:28:14
and took away the hope.

1309
1:28:16 --> 1:28:18
You said mind rape, I absolutely agree.

1310
1:28:18 --> 1:28:22
So two years ago, I said, as far as I could see,

1311
1:28:23 --> 1:28:26
what had taken place in the previous two years, it's now four years,

1312
1:28:27 --> 1:28:30
was a rape of the human soul.

1313
1:28:30 --> 1:28:33
And I was told by people, don't say that.

1314
1:28:33 --> 1:28:35
And I said, why not?

1315
1:28:35 --> 1:28:39
And there was some, especially Christians would object to it.

1316
1:28:39 --> 1:28:40
I didn't understand why.

1317
1:28:40 --> 1:28:43
To me, it was obvious that it was a rape of the human soul,

1318
1:28:43 --> 1:28:45
or an attempt to rape the human soul.

1319
1:28:45 --> 1:28:47
Maybe they didn't like the word rape.

1320
1:28:48 --> 1:28:53
But so what we have is that in the last four years,

1321
1:28:53 --> 1:28:58
it wasn't the virus that the people should have been afraid of,

1322
1:28:58 --> 1:28:59
it was the mind control.

1323
1:29:00 --> 1:29:00
Is that right?

1324
1:29:01 --> 1:29:02
Absolutely.

1325
1:29:02 --> 1:29:03
Thank you for that.

1326
1:29:03 --> 1:29:03
Absolutely.

1327
1:29:04 --> 1:29:05
Ding, ding, ding.

1328
1:29:05 --> 1:29:06
Exactly right.

1329
1:29:06 --> 1:29:06
Exactly right.

1330
1:29:08 --> 1:29:12
We have to guard ourselves against what I call monarch programming.

1331
1:29:13 --> 1:29:19
If it feels like assault, meaning you're being controlled,

1332
1:29:19 --> 1:29:23
you're being asked to be afraid, you're being demeaned, diminished.

1333
1:29:23 --> 1:29:23
It's wrong.

1334
1:29:24 --> 1:29:28
No real doctor or healer would do that to a human being.

1335
1:29:28 --> 1:29:30
So you know you're in the presence of the cult.

1336
1:29:31 --> 1:29:32
Exactly.

1337
1:29:32 --> 1:29:36
So it wasn't the virus that people should have been afraid of in 2020.

1338
1:29:37 --> 1:29:38
It was the mind control.

1339
1:29:38 --> 1:29:39
Absolutely.

1340
1:29:39 --> 1:29:44
And our war was, I mean, I told you, they clobbered us,

1341
1:29:44 --> 1:29:47
they silenced us, they finished us off.

1342
1:29:47 --> 1:29:47
Sure.

1343
1:29:47 --> 1:29:49
So thank you so much.

1344
1:29:50 --> 1:29:51
Sure.

1345
1:29:51 --> 1:29:53
So thank you so much.

1346
1:29:53 --> 1:29:57
When it was time for COVID, the world was still a sitting duck.

1347
1:29:57 --> 1:30:00
If they knew about our war, they just knew,

1348
1:30:00 --> 1:30:03
oh, there was some guy named Peter Duisburg, and I think he was wrong.

1349
1:30:03 --> 1:30:05
All I ever read about him was that he was wrong.

1350
1:30:06 --> 1:30:11
And there was a mother who didn't give her child drugs,

1351
1:30:11 --> 1:30:12
and the child died and she died.

1352
1:30:12 --> 1:30:13
And that's all lies.

1353
1:30:13 --> 1:30:16
That's about our friend, Christine Maggiore.

1354
1:30:16 --> 1:30:21
So they selected scapegoats in the media who they presented as,

1355
1:30:21 --> 1:30:24
these people didn't believe HIV caused AIDS, they died,

1356
1:30:24 --> 1:30:27
they killed their children, and they had twisted everything around.

1357
1:30:27 --> 1:30:33
But they did a very good job of blocking people from looking into it.

1358
1:30:33 --> 1:30:35
So we're highly social animals, Celia.

1359
1:30:36 --> 1:30:42
So the intent of stopping intimate behavior,

1360
1:30:42 --> 1:30:46
stopping isolating people, if you like, because that's affected.

1361
1:30:46 --> 1:30:49
Was so anti-human as to be, well, it's very, it was very,

1362
1:30:49 --> 1:30:51
it is very obvious when you've had it pointed out to you.

1363
1:30:53 --> 1:30:59
And so what they did was evil, because they actually told people

1364
1:30:59 --> 1:31:04
that in order to save themselves and their families and everybody else,

1365
1:31:05 --> 1:31:07
they had to isolate themselves.

1366
1:31:07 --> 1:31:09
But that's anti-human.

1367
1:31:09 --> 1:31:11
So that's dreadful advice.

1368
1:31:11 --> 1:31:15
And yeah, from a doctor's,

1369
1:31:15 --> 1:31:19
so I should have realized sooner than I did that actually,

1370
1:31:20 --> 1:31:25
that, well, it was never, we were never told that at medical school,

1371
1:31:25 --> 1:31:30
but I've worked it out that we are highly social animals

1372
1:31:30 --> 1:31:33
and we need human contact, even if the human contact

1373
1:31:33 --> 1:31:36
is not with people we agree with.

1374
1:31:36 --> 1:31:38
It's much better to have contact with human beings

1375
1:31:38 --> 1:31:41
than not to have any contact with human beings at all.

1376
1:31:41 --> 1:31:45
And so isolating people through lockdowns was evil

1377
1:31:45 --> 1:31:47
and everyone should have known that.

1378
1:31:48 --> 1:31:51
And the big lesson for me of the last four years

1379
1:31:51 --> 1:31:56
is that we must never ever consider lockdowns again in the future.

1380
1:31:56 --> 1:32:01
And the UK government, Celia, at the moment is running an inquiry

1381
1:32:01 --> 1:32:03
and the conclusion that they want to get to

1382
1:32:03 --> 1:32:05
is that we didn't lock down early enough.

1383
1:32:06 --> 1:32:08
Sorry, no, we can't allow that.

1384
1:32:08 --> 1:32:12
It's brutality, as I said in my title, brutality,

1385
1:32:12 --> 1:32:13
brutality, dressed up.

1386
1:32:13 --> 1:32:17
If you and colleagues of yours who you know about

1387
1:32:17 --> 1:32:20
would like to write to the COVID inquiry in the UK

1388
1:32:20 --> 1:32:24
and tell them what's what about what we've just been talking about now,

1389
1:32:24 --> 1:32:27
I'd love to do that with you and with anybody else.

1390
1:32:27 --> 1:32:28
Ken Corbett would be one.

1391
1:32:29 --> 1:32:30
I think we need to do it.

1392
1:32:31 --> 1:32:32
Wonderful.

1393
1:32:32 --> 1:32:37
Could I tell you a quick story about COVID?

1394
1:32:38 --> 1:32:40
COVID and brutality from my own life.

1395
1:32:40 --> 1:32:41
Sure, absolutely.

1396
1:32:42 --> 1:32:45
It was 2020 peak of COVID hysteria

1397
1:32:46 --> 1:32:52
and my father was dying at home having nothing to do with any of this

1398
1:32:52 --> 1:32:54
except for that I think his spirit was affected by...

1399
1:32:55 --> 1:32:56
He was 90.

1400
1:32:56 --> 1:32:58
He was almost 90.

1401
1:32:58 --> 1:33:04
And my stepmother had tested positive.

1402
1:33:04 --> 1:33:10
I can't recall how they did that or who got access to her to test her.

1403
1:33:11 --> 1:33:14
She wasn't worried and naturally none of us were worried.

1404
1:33:14 --> 1:33:18
She wound up breaking her hip and she went into the hospital

1405
1:33:18 --> 1:33:20
and I thought, oh my God, what are they going to do?

1406
1:33:21 --> 1:33:24
I was negotiating to get her out and they wanted to keep her there

1407
1:33:25 --> 1:33:27
for all the reasons you can imagine.

1408
1:33:28 --> 1:33:31
And I fought to get her out and I said her husband, my father,

1409
1:33:31 --> 1:33:34
is dying and I need to get her home.

1410
1:33:34 --> 1:33:36
She needs to be with him before he dies.

1411
1:33:37 --> 1:33:41
And I got this doctor on the phone and I remember he asked me, he said,

1412
1:33:42 --> 1:33:45
is it safe to say that your father is on his deathbed?

1413
1:33:45 --> 1:33:46
And I said, yes.

1414
1:33:47 --> 1:33:52
Now they had given us, if we were to get Sarah, my stepmother, back

1415
1:33:52 --> 1:33:56
and out of the hospital, they told us we needed to sterilize,

1416
1:33:56 --> 1:34:00
like build, put plastic sheets and get an,

1417
1:34:02 --> 1:34:04
they would each have to have their own bathroom.

1418
1:34:04 --> 1:34:05
There were two bathrooms.

1419
1:34:05 --> 1:34:06
How crazy.

1420
1:34:06 --> 1:34:10
And hire staff and all and kept, like, in other words,

1421
1:34:10 --> 1:34:14
it was like a hostage crisis that we could get her back if we did all this.

1422
1:34:14 --> 1:34:16
And I said to this doctor,

1423
1:34:17 --> 1:34:22
doctor, they like to sit up in bed and hold hands and watch TV.

1424
1:34:22 --> 1:34:23
Can they do that?

1425
1:34:25 --> 1:34:28
And he said, it would be better if they didn't.

1426
1:34:28 --> 1:34:29
How ridiculous.

1427
1:34:29 --> 1:34:30
Yeah.

1428
1:34:31 --> 1:34:32
Yeah.

1429
1:34:32 --> 1:34:33
I got her out of there.

1430
1:34:33 --> 1:34:37
I got her out and I got her back and she got to see my father before he died.

1431
1:34:37 --> 1:34:41
But that mentality, it would be better if they didn't when he's dying and she,

1432
1:34:41 --> 1:34:43
I mean, it's so thick.

1433
1:34:43 --> 1:34:45
There are no words for it.

1434
1:34:45 --> 1:34:46
Yeah.

1435
1:34:46 --> 1:34:49
So he's dying and he can't do what he wants to do.

1436
1:34:49 --> 1:34:50
How ridiculous.

1437
1:34:50 --> 1:34:52
And he can't do what he wants to do.

1438
1:34:52 --> 1:34:53
How crazy.

1439
1:34:53 --> 1:34:58
I mean, I was saying I need to, he needs to have his wife and his wife needs to be next to him.

1440
1:34:58 --> 1:34:59
And he's dying.

1441
1:34:59 --> 1:35:01
What part of that do you not understand as a doctor?

1442
1:35:01 --> 1:35:02
Well, you know,

1443
1:35:02 --> 1:35:04
Forget the cold way he said it.

1444
1:35:04 --> 1:35:07
It would be better if they didn't, you know,

1445
1:35:10 --> 1:35:11
I told my sister, let's just obey.

1446
1:35:11 --> 1:35:16
Let's just say, yes, yes, we're going to do the two bathrooms and the plastic and

1447
1:35:16 --> 1:35:19
they wanted us to sterilize the whole bathroom after anybody used.

1448
1:35:19 --> 1:35:22
I mean, these people are absolutely out of their minds.

1449
1:35:22 --> 1:35:24
Well, let's hope that particular doctor doesn't reproduce.

1450
1:35:26 --> 1:35:27
Nice.

1451
1:35:27 --> 1:35:27
All right.

1452
1:35:27 --> 1:35:28
Let's get, thank you, Steven.

1453
1:35:28 --> 1:35:29
Great.

1454
1:35:29 --> 1:35:32
Here's the questions with our hands up and that's 20 minutes now.

1455
1:35:32 --> 1:35:36
So Celia, are you okay to keep going with questions?

1456
1:35:36 --> 1:35:36
Oh yeah.

1457
1:35:36 --> 1:35:37
Oh yeah.

1458
1:35:37 --> 1:35:37
I'm good.

1459
1:35:38 --> 1:35:38
All right.

1460
1:35:38 --> 1:35:40
I finished anyway, Charles.

1461
1:35:40 --> 1:35:41
Thank you very much, Celia.

1462
1:35:41 --> 1:35:42
Excellent.

1463
1:35:43 --> 1:35:43
Okay.

1464
1:35:43 --> 1:35:48
Peter, then Dave, Peter Underwood, unmute yourself.

1465
1:35:50 --> 1:35:50
All right.

1466
1:35:50 --> 1:35:52
Thank you, Charles.

1467
1:35:52 --> 1:35:53
Yeah.

1468
1:35:53 --> 1:35:54
Absolutely fascinating.

1469
1:35:54 --> 1:36:02
Thank you so much, Celia, for an absolutely stunning talk.

1470
1:36:02 --> 1:36:09
I'm absolutely overwhelmed by your precision.

1471
1:36:10 --> 1:36:17
I was doing a consultancy job in 1985 at the Welcome Foundation in London.

1472
1:36:20 --> 1:36:27
And I was staying in a hotel and I came back and there was a guy at the bar.

1473
1:36:27 --> 1:36:30
We had a drink before I went to bed.

1474
1:36:32 --> 1:36:38
And I got talking to him and he was a microbiologist working for Shell.

1475
1:36:40 --> 1:36:45
And I told him that I was doing this job at Welcome Foundation.

1476
1:36:45 --> 1:36:52
I had to put all these stuff on, these plastic things and shoes and goodness knows what,

1477
1:36:53 --> 1:37:00
to go through the lab because of the job that I was doing or the task I had.

1478
1:37:00 --> 1:37:08
And they said, you have to have this because we're working on HIV treatment.

1479
1:37:10 --> 1:37:14
And I explained this to him and I said, well, I was quite confused

1480
1:37:15 --> 1:37:17
about why I had to do all this stuff.

1481
1:37:18 --> 1:37:20
And he said, oh, he said, that's okay.

1482
1:37:20 --> 1:37:21
I understand that entirely.

1483
1:37:23 --> 1:37:26
He said, I sell bugs.

1484
1:37:27 --> 1:37:28
I said, what?

1485
1:37:29 --> 1:37:31
He said, I sell bugs.

1486
1:37:31 --> 1:37:38
I work for Shell and we genetically engineer bugs, which I sell.

1487
1:37:39 --> 1:37:40
I said, what sort of bugs?

1488
1:37:41 --> 1:37:48
And he said, well, take for example, the one I'm working on at the moment, which is a tracer bug.

1489
1:37:49 --> 1:37:55
He said, we wanted to know how far the sewage goes out and see or whatever.

1490
1:37:55 --> 1:38:09
And they created this bug or something or other to identify the density and of how far the sewage went.

1491
1:38:10 --> 1:38:13
And I said, do you know, I said, what's this HIV then?

1492
1:38:13 --> 1:38:16
He said, well, he said, I've heard about it.

1493
1:38:16 --> 1:38:23
He said, now, from my experience, I will have a conjecture.

1494
1:38:24 --> 1:38:32
He said, if the government came to me and said, look, what we'd like to do is to control drug

1495
1:38:33 --> 1:38:33
addicts.

1496
1:38:34 --> 1:38:38
And the best way to do that is to knock off the demand.

1497
1:38:39 --> 1:38:41
In other words, the drug users.

1498
1:38:42 --> 1:38:51
He said, if they said to me, well, could you make something, make a bug to control this area?

1499
1:38:51 --> 1:39:02
He said, what I'd do is I'd engineer a bug that would attack the immune system.

1500
1:39:03 --> 1:39:09
And thus, people would die of anything but the bug.

1501
1:39:10 --> 1:39:12
So that's plausible deniability.

1502
1:39:14 --> 1:39:19
He said, I would release it somewhere in African, which is pretty untraceable.

1503
1:39:19 --> 1:39:27
And I'd say, well, it's naturally occurred and now it's going to infect all these people.

1504
1:39:28 --> 1:39:36
He said, and because drug addicts use needles, I'd make sure that the bug would only be

1505
1:39:36 --> 1:39:43
transmitted by fluid, body fluids, things of this kind.

1506
1:39:44 --> 1:39:46
And he went on quite a length.

1507
1:39:47 --> 1:39:49
And he went on quite a length.

1508
1:39:49 --> 1:39:51
He said, I know nothing about this.

1509
1:39:51 --> 1:39:55
He said, I'm just kind of conjecturing as a microbiologist.

1510
1:39:55 --> 1:39:59
This is what I would do to deal with the problem.

1511
1:40:00 --> 1:40:02
That was 1985.

1512
1:40:03 --> 1:40:12
Looking back, I suspect that perhaps he might have conjectured right.

1513
1:40:12 --> 1:40:13
So I'd like to ask one question.

1514
1:40:13 --> 1:40:23
We spoke all of the last couple of hours about they, them, people in the ivory tower.

1515
1:40:26 --> 1:40:34
Jerry Brady that I work with very closely and I have identified what we think is they.

1516
1:40:35 --> 1:40:36
Do you have any ideas?

1517
1:40:37 --> 1:40:38
Excellent question.

1518
1:40:38 --> 1:40:42
I call them, I mean, there are many things.

1519
1:40:42 --> 1:40:52
They are globalists, fundamentally globalists, fundamentally technocrats.

1520
1:40:52 --> 1:40:54
So who are they?

1521
1:40:54 --> 1:40:56
Gates Foundation.

1522
1:40:56 --> 1:41:03
I can say what characteristics they have more easily than I can say exactly where they came

1523
1:41:03 --> 1:41:04
from.

1524
1:41:04 --> 1:41:12
They have this characteristic of we are a class of people that need to tell you people

1525
1:41:12 --> 1:41:18
all around the world, all the things that you're going to die of and you have to do as we say.

1526
1:41:18 --> 1:41:23
So I can say, I can hear them in three words as soon as they open their mouths.

1527
1:41:23 --> 1:41:24
I can recognize them.

1528
1:41:24 --> 1:41:25
I can see them.

1529
1:41:26 --> 1:41:29
I understand their mentality so well.

1530
1:41:29 --> 1:41:39
I understand their mentality so well and I guess you could say I sacrificed my, I mean,

1531
1:41:42 --> 1:41:47
I subjected myself to this cult in order to do my work and do these stories.

1532
1:41:48 --> 1:41:52
And I can't necessarily say, I can say what spawned them.

1533
1:41:52 --> 1:42:01
It's both industries, economic formations, parasitic rises of things, you know, of these

1534
1:42:01 --> 1:42:05
crazy ideas like single virus theory and so forth.

1535
1:42:05 --> 1:42:05
Yeah.

1536
1:42:05 --> 1:42:15
Sort of like whichever weak people who are spiritually open to possession, I would say.

1537
1:42:15 --> 1:42:18
People open to spiritual demonic possession.

1538
1:42:18 --> 1:42:23
That's what became this cult class around the world.

1539
1:42:23 --> 1:42:29
So it's easier for me to look at what kind of people and you look at a Tony Fauci or Rochelle

1540
1:42:29 --> 1:42:32
Walensky, you know, they speak the same.

1541
1:42:34 --> 1:42:36
I've written a lot about their speech patterns.

1542
1:42:36 --> 1:42:42
I'm all about, you know, words and the way you recognize their speech is that it's empty.

1543
1:42:42 --> 1:42:45
It's not connected to, it doesn't mean anything.

1544
1:42:45 --> 1:42:46
Like we're all talking.

1545
1:42:46 --> 1:42:48
We're connected to meaning.

1546
1:42:50 --> 1:42:51
It's language.

1547
1:42:52 --> 1:42:57
When you hear them talk, it's beyond propaganda.

1548
1:42:57 --> 1:43:01
It's like a dead coded language.

1549
1:43:02 --> 1:43:05
You never know what's behind it or what they mean.

1550
1:43:05 --> 1:43:08
But for me, I always feel a presence of threat.

1551
1:43:10 --> 1:43:12
And they're very, very dull and boring too.

1552
1:43:13 --> 1:43:16
And they speak like the cult.

1553
1:43:17 --> 1:43:20
We have to do this and we have to do that and everyone's going to die.

1554
1:43:20 --> 1:43:21
It's always everyone's going to die.

1555
1:43:21 --> 1:43:24
And with AIDS, they hated good news, right?

1556
1:43:24 --> 1:43:26
So they never said, guess what?

1557
1:43:27 --> 1:43:30
All your trillions of dollars, we've put a dent in it.

1558
1:43:32 --> 1:43:33
We're making headway.

1559
1:43:33 --> 1:43:36
It was always, everything was getting worse.

1560
1:43:36 --> 1:43:42
There was, and they love words like spread and alarming.

1561
1:43:42 --> 1:43:46
And with AIDS, it was, you were supposed to be aware, spreading awareness.

1562
1:43:47 --> 1:43:54
Lots of inversion, spreading awareness meant spreading propaganda and mind control.

1563
1:43:54 --> 1:43:59
So yeah, it doesn't quite answer your question in terms of who they are in the structure.

1564
1:43:59 --> 1:44:01
You know, they are the World Economic Foundation.

1565
1:44:01 --> 1:44:03
They are the Gates Foundation.

1566
1:44:03 --> 1:44:05
They are the global banking system.

1567
1:44:05 --> 1:44:05
They're the cabal.

1568
1:44:07 --> 1:44:08
They are the cabal.

1569
1:44:08 --> 1:44:08
Yeah.

1570
1:44:08 --> 1:44:10
Thank you so much, Celia.

1571
1:44:10 --> 1:44:16
You have confirmed what Jerry and I have always come to the conclusion of that.

1572
1:44:17 --> 1:44:20
And you did touch on something that was very important for me.

1573
1:44:20 --> 1:44:31
And that is the essence of God, the spirit, and the beauty and magic of our existence

1574
1:44:31 --> 1:44:33
created by the creator.

1575
1:44:34 --> 1:44:38
And if, well, my defense is my faith.

1576
1:44:40 --> 1:44:50
My belief in a creator and his love and concern for each and every one of us.

1577
1:44:52 --> 1:44:54
I'm a Christian deist.

1578
1:44:55 --> 1:45:01
I believe in a creator and my moral code follows Jesus' teachings.

1579
1:45:02 --> 1:45:06
And I think you've answered the question.

1580
1:45:06 --> 1:45:07
Thank you so much.

1581
1:45:07 --> 1:45:08
You're very welcome.

1582
1:45:08 --> 1:45:09
Thank you for that.

1583
1:45:09 --> 1:45:12
I want to say one thing very briefly.

1584
1:45:12 --> 1:45:14
This is quite stunning.

1585
1:45:14 --> 1:45:19
If you go to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, I did this maybe three years ago.

1586
1:45:19 --> 1:45:26
And you look at their grants, who they give money to, which is everybody, everybody in media,

1587
1:45:26 --> 1:45:28
all the NGO, tons of money.

1588
1:45:28 --> 1:45:32
And that says at the very bottom, here's who we will never give money to.

1589
1:45:34 --> 1:45:36
Any religious organization.

1590
1:45:36 --> 1:45:39
You've nailed it.

1591
1:45:41 --> 1:45:42
Beautiful.

1592
1:45:42 --> 1:45:44
That's a great, great insight, everybody.

1593
1:45:44 --> 1:45:46
Thank you, Peter.

1594
1:45:46 --> 1:45:46
Thanks, David.

1595
1:45:47 --> 1:45:52
And Dave, just talk about breakdown of nations, because I think it's a very important principle

1596
1:45:52 --> 1:45:59
with what the WHO is trying to do in this whole selling of an idea of we need one world government,

1597
1:45:59 --> 1:46:03
you know, and Lawrence and Leopold courted so well to break that nonsense down.

1598
1:46:03 --> 1:46:06
But anyway, you go with your question in any event.

1599
1:46:07 --> 1:46:14
I'll tell Celia, such a pleasure and a joy to spend some time with you again.

1600
1:46:14 --> 1:46:16
I mean, you're one of my heroes.

1601
1:46:17 --> 1:46:26
And I mean, it's I can't even think of the words how to express what it was like,

1602
1:46:26 --> 1:46:31
reliving those years again, hearing the story that you were telling,

1603
1:46:32 --> 1:46:36
because you and I lived it, you know, it wasn't like somebody

1604
1:46:37 --> 1:46:41
that was telling the story, you know, and it was just something.

1605
1:46:41 --> 1:46:50
And I tell you what I think I never really was sad during the AIDS stuff.

1606
1:46:51 --> 1:46:57
But I feel like it never ended, as you as you pointed out, and it's just a continuum.

1607
1:46:58 --> 1:47:00
It's where we're at right now.

1608
1:47:01 --> 1:47:04
And it just led there.

1609
1:47:04 --> 1:47:09
And while there were so many, you know, the thing that a lot of folks,

1610
1:47:10 --> 1:47:16
we can't get into it, that went through those years were all the people that died,

1611
1:47:16 --> 1:47:21
all the good people, all the wonderful people, you know, and that's still going on,

1612
1:47:21 --> 1:47:22
going on now.

1613
1:47:22 --> 1:47:26
People that you and I know, Christy Majority, you brought her up and everything like that,

1614
1:47:27 --> 1:47:32
you know, and and I see Joan Shenton's here.

1615
1:47:32 --> 1:47:34
So pleased to see that Joan Shenton's here.

1616
1:47:36 --> 1:47:41
She's one of the warriors of those years and these years, too.

1617
1:47:41 --> 1:47:42
Yeah, absolutely.

1618
1:47:43 --> 1:47:47
And I just had to express my gratitude and just to say hi.

1619
1:47:48 --> 1:47:51
And what an emotional experience it is.

1620
1:47:53 --> 1:47:55
So I'll just let you go right there.

1621
1:47:55 --> 1:47:57
I just had to say something.

1622
1:47:57 --> 1:47:58
Thank you.

1623
1:47:58 --> 1:48:00
Thank you, Dave.

1624
1:48:00 --> 1:48:00
Can you hear me?

1625
1:48:01 --> 1:48:01
I can.

1626
1:48:01 --> 1:48:04
I'm so glad to see you.

1627
1:48:04 --> 1:48:05
Thank you.

1628
1:48:05 --> 1:48:12
It's been terrific to listen to you and to relive some of those horrifying moments of the past.

1629
1:48:13 --> 1:48:16
But so good to hear you and Dave.

1630
1:48:17 --> 1:48:17
Thank you.

1631
1:48:17 --> 1:48:19
I want to say one thing briefly.

1632
1:48:20 --> 1:48:27
Joan, so Joan and I were, we were the first generation AIDS dissidents.

1633
1:48:27 --> 1:48:28
Do you remember, Joan?

1634
1:48:28 --> 1:48:30
I remember when there were about five of us.

1635
1:48:30 --> 1:48:32
It was the London faction and the New York faction.

1636
1:48:33 --> 1:48:38
And Joan, I remember very early, it was maybe late 80s.

1637
1:48:38 --> 1:48:45
I remember finding out that Joan and she did such sensational work and still does at the

1638
1:48:46 --> 1:48:47
with her films.

1639
1:48:48 --> 1:48:52
And she came from the top of the media.

1640
1:48:52 --> 1:48:59
You were working, what was it, BBC Channel 4 and was just always an absolute superstar.

1641
1:48:59 --> 1:49:01
And they came after her.

1642
1:49:01 --> 1:49:08
So what I remember is there was some terrifying court in the UK where journalists were sort of

1643
1:49:08 --> 1:49:10
Broadcasting Complaints Commission.

1644
1:49:10 --> 1:49:12
Broadcasting Complaints Commission.

1645
1:49:12 --> 1:49:16
And when I was in Granada most recently, I opened a folder.

1646
1:49:16 --> 1:49:21
I'd brought some stuff from New York and there it was all about how you were being brought

1647
1:49:21 --> 1:49:22
before the broad.

1648
1:49:22 --> 1:49:23
I have those documents.

1649
1:49:23 --> 1:49:27
And I remember the time being so frightened for you.

1650
1:49:27 --> 1:49:32
It was like some kind of Orwellian court and you were just right.

1651
1:49:32 --> 1:49:34
And you were so brave and you just.

1652
1:49:34 --> 1:49:35
And we lost.

1653
1:49:35 --> 1:49:42
But our editor at Channel 4, David Lloyd, famously said, it's like winning a football match

1654
1:49:42 --> 1:49:44
9-0 and being told you've lost.

1655
1:49:45 --> 1:49:46
Right.

1656
1:49:46 --> 1:49:50
You were brought before that court to degrade and humiliate you.

1657
1:49:50 --> 1:49:54
And I remember that was the beginning of the real terror when I realized and I said, wow,

1658
1:49:54 --> 1:49:59
in the UK, they have these weird courts where journalists get beaten up because they

1659
1:49:59 --> 1:50:01
insulted a pharmaceutical company.

1660
1:50:01 --> 1:50:03
I mean, it just didn't stop the tentacles.

1661
1:50:03 --> 1:50:04
But you.

1662
1:50:07 --> 1:50:14
Now that I have the opportunity, I interviewed Celia often in the films we made over the years.

1663
1:50:14 --> 1:50:18
13 documentaries and Dave Raznik is in them too.

1664
1:50:18 --> 1:50:25
And they're available for free download on our website called the Immunity Resource

1665
1:50:25 --> 1:50:26
Foundation.

1666
1:50:26 --> 1:50:29
So it's at immunity.org.UK.

1667
1:50:33 --> 1:50:35
Someone will type that into the chat.

1668
1:50:35 --> 1:50:39
Immunity.org.UK.

1669
1:50:39 --> 1:50:39
Thank you.

1670
1:50:40 --> 1:50:44
Well done, Joan, as being an AIDS dissident.

1671
1:50:44 --> 1:50:45
That's a useful thing.

1672
1:50:45 --> 1:50:48
Thank you for popping in there, Joan.

1673
1:50:48 --> 1:50:49
It's wonderful.

1674
1:50:49 --> 1:50:50
Thank you, Charles.

1675
1:50:50 --> 1:50:50
Dave.

1676
1:50:54 --> 1:50:55
Just hang on one second, Stephen.

1677
1:50:56 --> 1:50:57
Stephen, I have to go.

1678
1:50:57 --> 1:50:59
I've made you a co-host.

1679
1:50:59 --> 1:51:01
The recording will run.

1680
1:51:01 --> 1:51:02
You're in charge now, Stephen.

1681
1:51:02 --> 1:51:04
Everyone be alarmed.

1682
1:51:04 --> 1:51:05
Be very alarmed.

1683
1:51:05 --> 1:51:06
No, be concerned.

1684
1:51:07 --> 1:51:10
Charles, can you make someone else a co-host as well?

1685
1:51:11 --> 1:51:11
Tom's a co-host.

1686
1:51:11 --> 1:51:14
So we won't go to the Telegram group.

1687
1:51:14 --> 1:51:15
It'll keep recording.

1688
1:51:15 --> 1:51:16
Stay here as long as you like.

1689
1:51:16 --> 1:51:18
I have to go to an urgent meeting.

1690
1:51:19 --> 1:51:20
Stephen and Tom, you guys can run it.

1691
1:51:20 --> 1:51:21
No dramas.

1692
1:51:21 --> 1:51:24
Richard will be the next questioner after you, Stephen or Joan.

1693
1:51:24 --> 1:51:26
But Joan, it's great that you're here.

1694
1:51:27 --> 1:51:28
Thank you.

1695
1:51:28 --> 1:51:29
Julia, well done.

1696
1:51:29 --> 1:51:30
Stephen, well done.

1697
1:51:30 --> 1:51:31
Everyone keep going.

1698
1:51:31 --> 1:51:32
Yeah.

1699
1:51:32 --> 1:51:32
OK.

1700
1:51:32 --> 1:51:33
Thank you, Charles.

1701
1:51:33 --> 1:51:34
Thank you, Charles.