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Welcome.

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Yes, thank you so much, Charles.

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And thank you, Stephen, for having me.

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I appreciate it.

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Welcome.

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Well, over to you.

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We're having lots of use, we've been using our time well,

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so we told everyone that you're a little bit delayed.

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So we won't do a full intro.

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We're all ears and we're listening to you.

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And then hopefully we can do Q&A with you

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after you finish your presentation,

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or you can speak for 10 minutes

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and questions on legal issues

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or whatever you would have,

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you would like to take this forward.

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Okay, terrific, yes.

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I apologize for being tardy.

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I was at an event and it was a little further away

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than I had anticipated.

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So I am, my name is Labyann Cox.

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I'm an attorney here in New York in the United States.

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And I just successfully did a lawsuit

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where I sued the governor of New York,

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her name's Kathy Hogle,

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and her New York State Department of Health.

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And what they were doing was issuing a regulation,

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which means that it went through the executive branch,

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it came from the Department of Health.

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This was not a law that was properly passed

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by the legislature in New York.

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So they made this regulation unilaterally,

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gave themselves the power to issue isolation

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and quarantine orders to any New Yorkers

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that they deemed were a health threat.

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So they just needed to think,

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maybe you were exposed to a communicable disease.

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They didn't have to prove

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that you had a communicable disease,

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and they didn't have to prove

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that you were exposed to communicable disease.

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They just needed to think, maybe you were exposed.

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So no proof necessary, no evidence against you necessary.

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They could just issue you an isolation or quarantine order.

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They could lock you down in your home,

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or they could remove you from your home,

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and they could take you to a facility

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that they would choose where you went.

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There was no time restriction.

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So they could tell you that you had to lock down

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in your home, or they could remove you

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and lock you up in a facility for days,

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for weeks, for months.

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I mean, there was just no restriction at all.

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There was no age limit.

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So there were no age restriction periods.

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So they could come for your child.

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They could come for your elderly parent or grandparent.

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They also had written into this regulation

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and provision that they could use the law enforcement

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to help enforce their orders.

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So that means that they could have had the sheriff

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or the local police show up at your home

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and remove you from your home.

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Or they could just show up and start checking

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to make sure that you were there.

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Another provision that they put in this regulation

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was that they, meaning the Department of Health,

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could tell you what you could and couldn't do

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while you were in isolation.

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So that means they could have taken your cell phone,

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they could have taken any sort of access to the internet

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and the outside world.

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They could have restricted your food intake.

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They could have made you take certain medications

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or treatments that the government thought was best.

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I mean, it was completely unbridled power,

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unrestricted power, and they gave it to themselves.

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This power did not come from the New York State Legislature.

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It came from the governor and the Department of Health.

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They made the regulation and gave themselves the power.

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So my lawsuit was based upon the premise

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that the executive branch of government cannot make laws,

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cannot issue regulations that conflict

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with New York State law, which this one did.

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This one conflicted with multiple New York State laws,

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and they cannot make a regulation

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that conflicts with the Constitution,

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which this regulation conflicted with the Constitution

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on multiple levels.

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So I filed the lawsuit in New York State Supreme Court,

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and that was in the beginning of April.

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And the judge just ruled in our favor about two weeks ago.

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He issued a decision saying that the regulation was,

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in effect, the regulation was unconstitutional.

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It violated separation of powers.

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It violated New York State law.

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We actually have a law in New York State.

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It's the Public Health Law, Section 2120,

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that talks about what you do

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if you do wanna remove somebody from society

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and put them into a quarantine

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if they are a public health threat.

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Now, we've had that law on the books

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here in New York State for literally decades,

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probably 60, 70 years we've had this law.

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But the law has many due process protections built into it

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so that the government can't abuse that power.

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The number one thing that that law says

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is that the government has to prove

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that the person actually has the communicable disease

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before they can even think about trying to lock the person up

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or have the person in isolate in their home.

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So step number one under that law

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is you have to actually be sick.

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They can't just think maybe, maybe you were exposed,

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maybe you weren't, who knows?

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And then there's a whole list of things in that law

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that's been on the books for decades

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that protect the citizen.

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not just that you have the communicable disease,

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but that you're acting in a manner

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that is detrimental to those around you.

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or you're intentionally exposing other people to a disease.

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These are all due process protections

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so that the government can't overstep and abuse their power.

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So, oh, and then there has to be a hearing.

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This is under the law, a hearing in front of a magistrate

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that you get the chance to have an attorney,

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you get a chance to see the evidence against you,

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you get a chance to argue back and fight back against it.

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So it's completely due process fulfillments

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are in this law, which is on the books.

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And this regulation completely violated

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all of those due process protections,

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completely conflicted with that existing New York state law.

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the Department of Health, they do not have the power

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to overrule or override a law that's in place

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rightfully passed by the New York state legislature.

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So that was a big part of why the judge

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struck down this regulation and deemed it unconstitutional

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because he recognized that if you allow,

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if you think about it just from a logical standpoint,

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not even just a legal standpoint, if you allow an agency,

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now agencies here in the United States,

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the people that work in agencies, the commissioner of health

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who heads up the New York State Department of Health,

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that's not an elected person.

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That person is appointed by the governor of New York.

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of the Department of Health and all the people working

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in the Department of Health are all appointed,

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they're just government employees,

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if you give them the power to have unbridled authority

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over the citizens and make a regulation that conflicts

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with laws that were passed by the legislature

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or conflicts with the constitution

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and the protections laid out in the constitution,

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now you're giving the executive branch

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these unelected bureaucrats, you're giving them a power

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that was first of all never intended for them to have

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because the constitution is very clear

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that the agencies are supposed to help enforce the laws

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that are passed by the legislature.

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The agencies are not supposed to make rules

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that override laws that are made by the legislature.

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So you would be giving, if you allowed this regulation

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to stand, you would be signaling, not just

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to the Department of Health, but to many departments

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and maybe not just in New York, probably across the country

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that, hey, you know what, you can do whatever you want,

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even though you're not elected,

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even though you're appointed bureaucrats

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and government employees, you can do whatever you want.

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You can make regulations that conflict

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with the constitution, you can make regulations

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that conflict with New York state law.

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And all of a sudden you've now catapulted that agency

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or that branch of government above our elected officials,

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above our legislature.

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So complete breakdown of separation of powers

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if you allow that regulation to stand

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and deem it as a proper and decided that in our favor,

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decided in our favor, he ruled in our favor

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and said, this is unconstitutional, it's illegal,

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you cannot do this.

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And he issued an injunction, which means that he's,

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he prohibits them, Kathy Hochul and the Department of Health

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from issuing any of these isolation or quarantine orders.

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So as of right now, this regulation is dead.

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It is no longer, it has been struck down.

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Of course, now the governor and the attorney general

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in New York state are saying that they're going

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to appeal the decision and they're going to try

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and get a higher court to actually overturn the decision

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so that they can have this unbridled, unabashed power

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that they are so keen on having.

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So it's really, it's first of all, quite shocking

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that they would even try to overrule this decision

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because what does that say to the people of New York?

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That tells the people of New York that your governor

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and your assistant, or I'm sorry, your attorney general,

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who's the top attorney in the state and works for the state,

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those two people who are very powerful are saying,

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we don't care about the constitution.

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We don't care about New York state laws

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that were properly passed by the legislature.

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We don't care about the people, right?

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Because the people are the ones who elect

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those representatives who make the laws

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and put in the due process protections

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so that we are protected from an overbearing government.

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And this says, oh, well, the governor, Governor Hulkl,

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attorney general, Letitia James, they don't care.

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They just want to have their power.

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They want to have it whenever they want

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because this regulation also said it did not need

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to be an emergency for them to use this power.

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So they could literally just write isolation

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and quarantine orders whenever they want it.

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It didn't even have to be a state of emergency.

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So absolutely, positively, government overreach,

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very clear, very clear that because they are appealing,

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they do not respect the constitution

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or the laws or the citizens.

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And so now we have to fight against them,

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against their appeal and try to defend our victory.

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The fact that this happened in New York,

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because for anyone that's not familiar

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with New York politics,

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New York is known to be a very progressive state,

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a very democratic state, a very left-wing state

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where we have people that are really pro-communist,

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pro-communism, pro-authoritarianism

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in leadership positions in this state,

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which is completely horrific and getting out of control.

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And the point is that if you can see a decision like this,

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if you can see a lawsuit like this be successful

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in New York state, it sends a signal all over the country

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and it tells other states, wait a minute,

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if New York couldn't get away with that

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and New York has a very liberal lean to it,

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a very progressive lean to it,

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what does that tell the other states?

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A lot of times it'll tell the states,

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well, we better not even try that

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because if New York couldn't get away with it,

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how could we possibly get away with it here

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where we do have more protections for our citizens

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and we do have more regard for the constitution

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and existing state laws?

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So number one, it sends a very clear message

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to the other states in the nation

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about what's going to happen

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if you try to pass a right or promulgate a regulation

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like this one, which was so horribly illegal

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and unconstitutional, but it also gives people hope

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because it tells citizens around the country

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and possibly citizens around the world

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that you can stand up, you can fight back,

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when they are wrong, they are wrong

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and there's still justice in the courts

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that will uphold a just decision like this,

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even in such a liberal blue state like New York state.

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So really, I think the results of this win

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are going to be very far reaching and very positive overall.

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One thing I wanna point out, which is pretty sad

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is that the mainstream media here in the United States,

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even just here in New York state,

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are not paying attention to this lawsuit

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and not paying attention to our win.

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We've had maybe one, the New York Post did an article

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about this, but other than that,

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all the press that we've been getting about this regulation

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and about this win has come from,

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we call it alternative media sources.

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So bloggers, podcasters, local radio shows

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have picked up the story, but those are local.

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Those are not statewide.

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Those are not, certainly not nationwide,

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but yes, the mainstream media

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is keeping this as wide as possible.

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The reason, one of the reasons I think

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is because this is an election year here in New York state.

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So governor Hogle is up for election in November

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as is our attorney general, Latisha James.

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She's running for office again.

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She wants to be reelected for another four years.

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So I think they're trying to keep it very quiet

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because if the voters actually knew what was going on

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and that they're sitting governor

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and they're sitting attorney general

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or trying to overturn a decision that shot down

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for all intents and purposes,

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really they were quarantine camps.

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I mean, it gave them the power

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to create quarantine camps in New York.

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If the voters actually knew about this,

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I think a lot of voters,

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no matter which political party they were a member of,

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would be so up in arms that they would 100%

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vote these two people out of office,

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which is what needs to happen.

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The change needs to happen

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and the people have to go to the polls in November

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and the people have to vote in a new governor

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and they have to vote in a new attorney general

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who actually have regard for the constitution,

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for the laws of New York.

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And I think if we can do that,

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we will be in a significantly better position

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than we are today.

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That is for sure.

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Excuse me.

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So I can give you, I can drop it in the chat,

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but I can give you a couple of websites

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that you could take a look at if you'd like more information,

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more details about the lawsuit and such,

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and I'm happy to take questions.

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But that's basically the overview

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that I just wanted to provide to everybody

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to give you kind of a background

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of what this lawsuit was all about

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and these significance of our win.

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Beautiful.

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Bobby and congratulations on that win.

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That is indeed a big, that is indeed a big win.

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If you can put the links to the judgments

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and indeed the pleadings that would be useful

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in the chat for everybody

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because people should be running this case

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in every state in the US against such regulations.

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And the principle everybody get really clear

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is that regulations can't be made contrary to existing laws.

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That's the simple principle.

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And so when their existing laws are in place in New York,

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protecting freedoms, protecting human rights,

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then elected officials can't simply declare an emergency

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and thereby claim that they can do whatever they like.

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That's the importance of this decision.

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Now, Bobby and can you, how difficult was the case?

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Two questions in particular, one, how long was the hearing?

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And two, did the state of New York pull any procedural stunts

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to prevent you getting into court?

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Yeah, I'm sorry, Charles.

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It was breaking up a little bit.

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Could you just repeat the question?

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Number one, how long was the hearing itself?

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And number two, did the state of New York

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try to pull any procedural stunts

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to prevent you from running your case?

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Yes, so I filed this lawsuit in April,

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first week of April this year.

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And the first thing that the attorney general did,

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because the attorney general in New York state

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represents the governor and the Department of Health.

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The first thing they did was they removed the case

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from state court to federal court.

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We have two different court systems in the United States.

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Every state has its own state system.

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And then you also have the federal court system,

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which is nationwide.

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So they tried to remove the case,

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or they did remove the case from state court

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up to federal court.

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They tried to say it was a federal case with federal issues

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and that I was making federal claims, which was not true.

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So I had to bring in a colleague of mine

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who, because they removed the case to a federal district

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in New York state where I am not currently admitted

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to practice.

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The federal courts,

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you have to be admitted individually to each one.

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So the one where I am admitted is near my home

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and my office in the southern part of New York state.

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And they removed it to a court

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in the Western district of New York state.

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So I'm doing this case pro bono.

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And so it's very difficult to ask other people to help

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because you're basically asking them to help for free

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and volunteer their time

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and not many people want to do that.

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So I did have to reach out to a colleague

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who was already admitted in that specific federal courts.

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And he absolutely jumped on board, volunteered his time

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and was excellent helping me very expeditiously, thankfully,

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get back into state court.

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And that was attorney Tom Marcel.

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And he is actually now running

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for New York state Supreme court judge.

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And so that was one of the first things that they did

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to try to derail our lawsuit.

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The next thing that they did was,

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so in this lawsuit,

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I am representing a group of New York state legislators.

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So Senator George Borrello,

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Assemblyman Mike Lawler and Assemblyman Chris Tague

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together with a citizens group

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called Uniting New York State.

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And so I'm representing the actual lawmakers

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in the state government, in the state legislature.

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So I have three who are named on the lawsuit

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and then I'm representing the others

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because we incorporate them through likeness basically.

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So then there was another group of legislators

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in New York state assembly

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who wanted to become a part of the lawsuit.

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And how they did that was by writing an amicus brief

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to support my case.

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And that was Assemblyman Andy Goodell

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who's also an attorney,

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Assemblyman Will Barkley and Assemblyman Joe Giglio.

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And basically they got together, they wrote this brief.

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It was authored by Assemblyman Andy Goodell,

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brilliant brief.

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And they filed it with the courts.

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And they basically,

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the attorney general's office basically said,

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well, we object, we don't want this to be admissible.

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We don't want the judge to read it and consider it.

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Opposing an amicus brief is very rare.

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It's not standard practice.

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And it really shows that the attorney general

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and the governor, I think they knew they had a losing case

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and they were just doing everything they could

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to try to slow it down.

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And also, as I said, I'm doing it pro bono.

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So they know that my resources are very limited

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because I don't have paying clients on this.

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I'm doing it out of my own volition and my own pocket.

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So the state has all of our tax dollars

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that they can use to help defend this.

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So the more that they can throw at me,

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the more that they can eat up my resources

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and wear me down.

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But we ultimately won.

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We did do motion practice on that issue

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and the judge did ruin our favor.

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And he said that the amicus brief was going to be allowed.

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And so they've been fighting tooth and nail,

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basically is my point here.

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And on the appeal, I am sure that they are going to try

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to throw in everything that they possibly can on the appeal.

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They're going to try and do a procedural excuse

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to try and overturn it.

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They're going to try and do legal excuse

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and fight me on the law and stuff.

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So I'm sure it's going to be a very detailed

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and long appeal on this.

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So I am asking people to help spread the word.

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The biggest thing that we need right now is for New Yorkers,

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I mean, Americans in general, but New Yorkers especially,

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and even global citizens to know about this lawsuit,

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to know about our win and to know about the appeal

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that's going on.

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Because the more people that know,

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I think the more press that will pick it up,

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if people know podcasters or newscasters

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or newspaper writers or bloggers or whatever,

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who would cover this story, please reach out to them.

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Please have them reach out to me.

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It's really important that we spread the word far

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and wide about this.

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It also, there are some international attorneys

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that have heard about this win already,

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and they've reached out to me to try to talk to me

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and get some insight into what my arguments were

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and how I structured the case in order to be successful.

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And so I've been talking with them.

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I'm happy to try to help other attorneys

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who either want to specifically fight back

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on quarantine issues,

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or if there's other government overreach,

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there are a lot of different kinds of COVID restrictions

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that governments have been doing the past two plus years.

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So this case could be a precedent or be a model

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for not just those governments that are trying to employ

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quarantine and isolation orders or facilities,

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it could also apply to other COVID restrictions,

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which are unconstitutional, illegal and such.

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So it can hopefully help many people,

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many attorneys stand up and push back in their state

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or in their country,

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because this is really a monumental win.

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This was the only lawsuit, it wasn't just the first lawsuit,

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this was the only lawsuit in the country of its kind.

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There was no other lawsuit challenging isolation

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and quarantine procedures.

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So it's really, it's quite historic.

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And again, I'm very happy to try to help whoever would like

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to have assistance, but we definitely need to have the word spread

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through alternative media or if anybody has contact

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with mainstream media and they're willing to pick this up,

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whether it's print, the Wall Street Journal,

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or the Washington Times, the Washington Post,

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any sort of publication that is willing to pick this up,

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that has a nice reach, I'm happy to do an interview

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or discuss talking points with them or whatnot,

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because getting the word out there is tremendous.

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I put it in the chat,

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but I can definitely put it in here again.

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Uniting New York State is the citizens group

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that I'm representing along with this group

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of New York State legislators.

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And they set up a webpage specifically for this lawsuit.

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It has a link to the regulation,

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so you could read the regulation itself.

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It has a link to the judge's decision,

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so you could read what the judge wrote about it.

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It has a press release.

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It has press conference that we did,

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I did with Senator Borrello,

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Assemblyman Tague and Assemblyman Lawler.

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When we first launched the lawsuit in April,

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we did a press conference.

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So the video to that is on this website.

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And there's a list of things people could do

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to get involved.

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If people wanna volunteer,

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if people wanna do media outreach,

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there are flyers on that website

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that people could either post.

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You can take it, download it,

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post it on your social media to help raise awareness,

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or you can print out flyers and hand them out.

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I mean, there's a multitude of things

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that people could do to get involved.

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And that's all at, again,

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I will type it here into the chat.

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It's unitingnys for Uniting New York State.

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So unitingnys.com slash lawsuit.

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And I'm going to also give an email.

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So I'm kind of reading the chat as I'm talking,

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but I'm not doing it to you.

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Don't get distracted by the chat

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because that's how the chat that goes on, Bobby Anne.

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So we're gonna have questions of you,

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hands go up so that's a more efficient way for you,

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but we'll get to the chat to you at the end.

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Or just save the chat anyway.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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That's terrific.

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Yeah.

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All right, so spread the word everybody.

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And everybody please note the strategies

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taken by government bodies

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to make any legal proceedings difficult.

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And so whilst there's been a conversation,

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hey, lawyers aren't doing anything,

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it's important to realize that the government

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is doing every dirty trick in the book

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that it can possibly do.

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And Bobby Anne has given you a taste

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of those types of dirty tricks.

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Bobby Anne, traditionally questions first

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come from Stephen Frost and then people put your hands up.

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Stephen, do you have any questions of Bobby Anne?

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Yes.

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Just two seconds.

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So well done Bobby Anne, absolutely brilliant.

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And even better that you did it pro bono

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because a lot of lawyers argue that they can't do anything

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without any money, which is pathetic I think.

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And also Tom who helped you, what a hero.

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And the Senator and the two, there were two,

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what were they?

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I can't quite remember what they're.

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Yes, in New York state we call them senators in one house

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and then the other house are assemblymen.

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So I have two assemblymen Lawler and Tague

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on the lawsuit with Senator Borrello.

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Do you think they would like to come on to speak to us or not?

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Yeah, you broke up a little bit,

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but I can certainly reach out to them

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and see if they would be willing to come and speak.

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I know one of them, assemblyman Michael Lawler

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is actually now running for Congress,

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which is our federal level of government.

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So he's currently in the state of New York state government

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and he's trying to run now for a seat in Congress

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at the federal levels.

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Are they in contact with Senator Ron Johnson?

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I am not, no.

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No, are they?

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Oh, you're not in contact.

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Okay, well I can put you into contact with him,

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but they're not in contact with him, no?

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I have not asked them.

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I'm assuming not, but I have not asked them

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that specific question.

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Okay, because Ron Johnson, sorry.

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So Ron Johnson is running for re-election I think.

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So I just wanted to ask you, they're appealing,

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but can you cross appeal?

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Because it was past date 30.

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I'm sorry, they're appealing and your question is what?

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The question was, can you cross appeal?

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He's already had a go.

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No, Natalie is.

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But there is no response.

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Charles.

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0:29:46 --> 0:29:47
It's breaking up a little.

608
0:29:47 --> 0:29:48
Got it.

609
0:29:48 --> 0:29:50
Got it, ma'am.

610
0:29:51 --> 0:29:53
For some reason I can't mute anybody, Charles.

611
0:29:53 --> 0:29:55
I've got to instruct you, Stephen.

612
0:29:55 --> 0:29:59
I'll make you, anyway, keep going with questions

613
0:29:59 --> 0:30:00
of Bobby Anne.

614
0:30:00 --> 0:30:03
Okay, so I wanted to ask you, Bobby Anne,

615
0:30:03 --> 0:30:05
whether you can cross appeal.

616
0:30:05 --> 0:30:08
Do you know what that is or is that just in the UK?

617
0:30:08 --> 0:30:12
Yeah, no, you can do that in New York as well.

618
0:30:12 --> 0:30:14
If there's an appeal by one side,

619
0:30:14 --> 0:30:18
you do have the opportunity to cross appeal

620
0:30:18 --> 0:30:22
and argue back the points.

621
0:30:22 --> 0:30:27
I did have a couple of attorneys in Germany

622
0:30:28 --> 0:30:30
ask if they could do an amicus brief

623
0:30:30 --> 0:30:33
to support the appeal, which I'm looking into.

624
0:30:33 --> 0:30:36
I'm not quite sure if you can do that

625
0:30:36 --> 0:30:39
on an international level, but I am looking into that.

626
0:30:41 --> 0:30:46
So have you reached out to, what is his name, Kennedy,

627
0:30:46 --> 0:30:49
Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.?

628
0:30:49 --> 0:30:54
Yes, so I, yes, his organization is called

629
0:30:54 --> 0:30:56
Children's Health Defense.

630
0:30:56 --> 0:31:00
And I am in close touch with a number

631
0:31:00 --> 0:31:04
of the Children's Health Defense leaders in New York State.

632
0:31:04 --> 0:31:07
They know about my lawsuit.

633
0:31:07 --> 0:31:10
They have been, now that we've won,

634
0:31:10 --> 0:31:11
they have been very helpful in trying

635
0:31:11 --> 0:31:14
to help spread the word.

636
0:31:14 --> 0:31:16
They did have me on for a couple of interviews

637
0:31:16 --> 0:31:19
on Children's Health Defense television.

638
0:31:19 --> 0:31:22
So I've done a couple of interviews there with them

639
0:31:22 --> 0:31:25
and the president of Children's Health Defense,

640
0:31:25 --> 0:31:27
Mary Holland, who's also an attorney,

641
0:31:28 --> 0:31:32
has been supportive and she's helping me spread the word.

642
0:31:32 --> 0:31:36
They're doing an article in one of their publications

643
0:31:36 --> 0:31:38
about the lawsuit and the win and the appeal.

644
0:31:38 --> 0:31:42
And yes, Bobby Kennedy Jr., I know,

645
0:31:42 --> 0:31:45
he was actually one of my professors in law school.

646
0:31:45 --> 0:31:50
So I know Bobby and I told him about this lawsuit

647
0:31:50 --> 0:31:51
just before I filed it.

648
0:31:51 --> 0:31:54
I saw him at a function in New York City

649
0:31:54 --> 0:31:54
and I told him about it.

650
0:31:54 --> 0:31:56
So he was also supportive of it.

651
0:31:56 --> 0:31:57
So-

652
0:31:58 --> 0:32:00
Have you told him that you won it?

653
0:32:00 --> 0:32:01
Does he know?

654
0:32:01 --> 0:32:03
I have not spoken with him yet about that, no.

655
0:32:03 --> 0:32:05
I think he knows through his network,

656
0:32:05 --> 0:32:08
but I have not spoken directly with him about it.

657
0:32:09 --> 0:32:12
So I just wanted to ask how many states

658
0:32:12 --> 0:32:17
had this type of regulation concerning,

659
0:32:17 --> 0:32:19
how many states out of the 50

660
0:32:19 --> 0:32:21
have this type of regulation now?

661
0:32:22 --> 0:32:27
So to my knowledge, New York was the only state

662
0:32:27 --> 0:32:30
that had the regulation in place,

663
0:32:30 --> 0:32:34
meaning that Governor Hokel has been promulgating

664
0:32:34 --> 0:32:37
this regulation since she took office in August last year

665
0:32:37 --> 0:32:41
when our former governor Cuomo stepped down.

666
0:32:41 --> 0:32:42
She was the Lieutenant Governor

667
0:32:42 --> 0:32:44
and she rose automatically to be governor.

668
0:32:44 --> 0:32:47
So she's not even technically elected.

669
0:32:48 --> 0:32:51
So she's been issuing this since last August

670
0:32:52 --> 0:32:57
and basically, I mean, completely illegally

671
0:32:57 --> 0:33:01
and with no regard to the fact that it is illegal.

672
0:33:01 --> 0:33:05
And so, yeah, so she's been doing this consistently.

673
0:33:05 --> 0:33:09
I don't know, I think Washington State,

674
0:33:09 --> 0:33:12
which is out on the West Coast,

675
0:33:12 --> 0:33:15
I think they have something in place.

676
0:33:15 --> 0:33:17
I am not quite aware.

677
0:33:17 --> 0:33:18
Somebody did mention it to me,

678
0:33:18 --> 0:33:21
but I have not done any research to see what that is.

679
0:33:21 --> 0:33:22
And California maybe?

680
0:33:24 --> 0:33:25
California maybe?

681
0:33:25 --> 0:33:27
No, California does not.

682
0:33:27 --> 0:33:28
Okay.

683
0:33:28 --> 0:33:29
California does not.

684
0:33:29 --> 0:33:32
But what happens in the United States

685
0:33:32 --> 0:33:37
is oftentimes you will see somebody,

686
0:33:37 --> 0:33:38
something will happen in New York

687
0:33:38 --> 0:33:41
and then all of a sudden, it becomes a trend.

688
0:33:42 --> 0:33:45
So it was really important to stop this here in New York

689
0:33:45 --> 0:33:49
because then, if I was not able to,

690
0:33:49 --> 0:33:51
or if they went on appeal or something,

691
0:33:51 --> 0:33:54
then certainly we would see it continuing

692
0:33:54 --> 0:33:56
and taking hold in other states as well.

693
0:33:57 --> 0:33:58
Yeah.

694
0:33:59 --> 0:34:03
So, Bobbi-Ann, I just wanted to ask you,

695
0:34:05 --> 0:34:08
so you don't know of any kind of regulation

696
0:34:08 --> 0:34:12
which even comes near this regulation about the quarantine?

697
0:34:12 --> 0:34:13
Is that right?

698
0:34:15 --> 0:34:17
You're asking if I know any other regulations like this one?

699
0:34:17 --> 0:34:19
You don't know of any other regulations

700
0:34:19 --> 0:34:22
in any other state apart from Washington State,

701
0:34:22 --> 0:34:23
is that right?

702
0:34:25 --> 0:34:26
Correct.

703
0:34:26 --> 0:34:27
I do not know of any that you know of.

704
0:34:28 --> 0:34:31
I don't know of any that currently have

705
0:34:31 --> 0:34:33
this regulation in place.

706
0:34:33 --> 0:34:35
That doesn't mean that they,

707
0:34:35 --> 0:34:36
maybe there are states that do,

708
0:34:36 --> 0:34:38
but the people just don't know about it

709
0:34:38 --> 0:34:40
and therefore, we haven't heard about it,

710
0:34:40 --> 0:34:42
or perhaps they're contemplating it.

711
0:34:42 --> 0:34:44
Yes, I understand.

712
0:34:44 --> 0:34:45
It's in the works or something,

713
0:34:45 --> 0:34:47
but I don't know of any that actually have it.

714
0:34:47 --> 0:34:49
I believe New York was the first.

715
0:34:49 --> 0:34:50
Yeah.

716
0:34:50 --> 0:34:53
So I've got a question, Avery, do you know whether,

717
0:34:53 --> 0:34:56
have you heard anything on C19D

718
0:34:56 --> 0:34:57
surrounding that?

719
0:34:57 --> 0:34:59
I haven't seen anything about this case

720
0:34:59 --> 0:35:02
because I think it's, I mean, I could do it of course,

721
0:35:02 --> 0:35:06
but I was interested to see whether it would actually hit

722
0:35:06 --> 0:35:09
C19D, but I don't think it has.

723
0:35:09 --> 0:35:09
So in that case,

724
0:35:09 --> 0:35:14
The news media in this country has aired the success

725
0:35:14 --> 0:35:18
that Bobbie Anne has had of winning this case.

726
0:35:18 --> 0:35:21
So that's been out in the news.

727
0:35:21 --> 0:35:22
I would just suggest to her,

728
0:35:22 --> 0:35:26
if she wants to have a fairly easy route to an interview,

729
0:35:26 --> 0:35:29
she may want to check with Newsmax amongst others

730
0:35:30 --> 0:35:31
if she hasn't yet.

731
0:35:31 --> 0:35:34
The other thing is I know in the state of Florida,

732
0:35:35 --> 0:35:37
buried in our regulations,

733
0:35:37 --> 0:35:39
there's something about the Department of Health

734
0:35:39 --> 0:35:43
has the, or state surgeon general has the ability

735
0:35:43 --> 0:35:48
to order certain things that can be done to people.

736
0:35:48 --> 0:35:50
Laurie, you might want to chime in

737
0:35:50 --> 0:35:53
if I'm incorrect about this,

738
0:35:53 --> 0:35:56
but I know Sean McBride, the attorney here in Florida

739
0:35:56 --> 0:35:58
has harped on this,

740
0:35:58 --> 0:36:02
the fact that we need to make changes to subtleties

741
0:36:02 --> 0:36:05
that are in our Florida state statutes

742
0:36:05 --> 0:36:07
that would give the Department of Health

743
0:36:07 --> 0:36:10
or the state surgeon general certain rights

744
0:36:10 --> 0:36:13
that can encroach on our freedoms.

745
0:36:13 --> 0:36:14
Is that right, Laurie?

746
0:36:14 --> 0:36:17
Yeah, we definitely, so we do have this

747
0:36:17 --> 0:36:19
and Bobbie Anne, from what I understand,

748
0:36:19 --> 0:36:20
most states do have it.

749
0:36:20 --> 0:36:24
And so even with great old Governor DeSantis,

750
0:36:24 --> 0:36:27
we have its Florida statute 381.00315.

751
0:36:30 --> 0:36:33
And just, this is reading from attorney Sean McBride's

752
0:36:33 --> 0:36:37
warnings to us about how we're really not free here,

753
0:36:37 --> 0:36:39
allows the state health officer

754
0:36:39 --> 0:36:44
to order anyone to be quarantined, isolated, examined,

755
0:36:44 --> 0:36:47
tested, or treated for public health

756
0:36:47 --> 0:36:49
during a public health emergency,

757
0:36:49 --> 0:36:51
and allows law enforcement to be used.

758
0:36:51 --> 0:36:55
So we're trying to engage our sheriffs here,

759
0:36:55 --> 0:36:58
like Micah was talking about,

760
0:36:58 --> 0:37:00
because they're our bottom line.

761
0:37:01 --> 0:37:05
They're the only ones who can stop this county by county.

762
0:37:05 --> 0:37:07
And the other thing I wanted to tell you, Bobbie Anne,

763
0:37:07 --> 0:37:11
is so I've worked with Ralph Larego,

764
0:37:11 --> 0:37:13
I don't know if you're familiar with him in New York,

765
0:37:13 --> 0:37:17
so he helps families who, like mine,

766
0:37:17 --> 0:37:19
my sister was murdered in the hospital

767
0:37:19 --> 0:37:21
by the CDC protocols.

768
0:37:21 --> 0:37:26
So he helps families to try to get them the court orders

769
0:37:26 --> 0:37:29
to get the patient the treatment that they need.

770
0:37:29 --> 0:37:33
And he is head of the conservative party in New York,

771
0:37:33 --> 0:37:36
and he can definitely connect you.

772
0:37:36 --> 0:37:40
And I know would be very happy to book the governor

773
0:37:40 --> 0:37:45
and the AG, so I would think that you connecting with him

774
0:37:46 --> 0:37:48
and him knowing about your case,

775
0:37:48 --> 0:37:51
I'm gonna email him and let him know about that,

776
0:37:51 --> 0:37:54
because I think y'all can work together.

777
0:37:54 --> 0:37:58
And he has so many connections to do that.

778
0:37:58 --> 0:38:02
So yeah, Bobbie Anne, so I think we can help you,

779
0:38:03 --> 0:38:05
but we need to know what you need,

780
0:38:05 --> 0:38:08
and maybe you have not time to really think about it.

781
0:38:08 --> 0:38:10
You said earlier, and I'd worked this out for myself,

782
0:38:10 --> 0:38:12
and I'm not a lawyer,

783
0:38:12 --> 0:38:16
that the New York State win is hugely important

784
0:38:16 --> 0:38:21
for America in that other states will follow suit, hopefully,

785
0:38:21 --> 0:38:23
or other lawyers will follow your example

786
0:38:24 --> 0:38:25
and challenge this.

787
0:38:25 --> 0:38:29
So Laurie thinks that they've got at least this regulation

788
0:38:29 --> 0:38:30
in place in Florida.

789
0:38:30 --> 0:38:31
It's for sure.

790
0:38:31 --> 0:38:32
Yeah, it's for sure.

791
0:38:32 --> 0:38:34
We're trying to fight it, we're trying to repeal it,

792
0:38:34 --> 0:38:37
and Todd Callender would like to get with Bobbie Anne.

793
0:38:37 --> 0:38:39
So the next question, Laurie, is why has no lawyer

794
0:38:39 --> 0:38:41
in Florida challenged this?

795
0:38:41 --> 0:38:44
And why has the attorney general in Florida

796
0:38:44 --> 0:38:46
not said anything about it?

797
0:38:46 --> 0:38:49
And why hasn't the Santa's listened to us about it?

798
0:38:49 --> 0:38:53
I mean, we have been very vocal, very vocal.

799
0:38:53 --> 0:38:54
They ignore us.

800
0:38:54 --> 0:38:56
I mean, we did rallies, we did, I mean,

801
0:38:56 --> 0:39:00
I hand delivered information to them.

802
0:39:00 --> 0:39:02
So it's political right now.

803
0:39:02 --> 0:39:04
He's trying to get reelected.

804
0:39:04 --> 0:39:06
Well, it seems to me it's more than political.

805
0:39:06 --> 0:39:09
It's lawyers who are sitting on their hands,

806
0:39:09 --> 0:39:10
waiting for money to arrive,

807
0:39:11 --> 0:39:14
which isn't going to arrive in what is an emergency

808
0:39:14 --> 0:39:16
from all our points of view,

809
0:39:16 --> 0:39:21
but not the kind of emergency that the WHO is talking about.

810
0:39:21 --> 0:39:23
Well, Tom is on this call too,

811
0:39:23 --> 0:39:25
and Tom has worked with Sean,

812
0:39:25 --> 0:39:28
who's the attorney who's been screaming about this.

813
0:39:28 --> 0:39:31
And they've actually met with legislators

814
0:39:31 --> 0:39:32
and other attorneys.

815
0:39:32 --> 0:39:36
So they're trying, it's just not,

816
0:39:36 --> 0:39:37
I mean, that's why we're moving on.

817
0:39:37 --> 0:39:41
Sorry to say a lot of attorneys won't do anything

818
0:39:41 --> 0:39:43
if they're not paid.

819
0:39:43 --> 0:39:44
And that's terrible.

820
0:39:45 --> 0:39:48
Listen, listen, Steven, my name's Tom Maltourke.

821
0:39:48 --> 0:39:49
I'm here in central Florida.

822
0:39:49 --> 0:39:52
I'm with move freely America.org.

823
0:39:52 --> 0:39:55
My state unit is move freely Florida.

824
0:39:55 --> 0:40:00
We fight for medical freedom statutes at the state level.

825
0:40:01 --> 0:40:04
You have to understand each state is different.

826
0:40:04 --> 0:40:05
The laws are different.

827
0:40:05 --> 0:40:09
Bobby Anne said New York had a law on the books

828
0:40:09 --> 0:40:12
that been there since the 60s, and they went around it.

829
0:40:12 --> 0:40:15
You have to understand in the US,

830
0:40:15 --> 0:40:19
the politics at the state level is insane.

831
0:40:19 --> 0:40:21
It's not just the federal insanity

832
0:40:21 --> 0:40:24
that we see out of the Marxists in DC.

833
0:40:24 --> 0:40:27
It's in Tallahassee here in Florida.

834
0:40:27 --> 0:40:31
And DeSantis has done a great job generating a narrative

835
0:40:31 --> 0:40:34
that this is a free state.

836
0:40:34 --> 0:40:35
It's not.

837
0:40:35 --> 0:40:38
If you look at the statutes, there are six statutes

838
0:40:38 --> 0:40:41
that are anti-medical freedom.

839
0:40:41 --> 0:40:44
They can quarantine us, force quarantine us,

840
0:40:44 --> 0:40:45
and force treat us.

841
0:40:45 --> 0:40:48
He signed that law in 2020,

842
0:40:48 --> 0:40:51
like all the other governors did with the pandemic

843
0:40:51 --> 0:40:55
and the scare tactics and COVID hysteria.

844
0:40:55 --> 0:40:58
It's still with us at this time.

845
0:40:58 --> 0:41:01
The lobbyists are knee deep in Tallahassee,

846
0:41:01 --> 0:41:03
in these state capitals.

847
0:41:04 --> 0:41:06
There is so much money to be made

848
0:41:06 --> 0:41:08
with a force quarantine, force treatment law

849
0:41:08 --> 0:41:13
for the Florida Hospital Association and for Big Pharma.

850
0:41:13 --> 0:41:18
If they lose these laws, that is an income hit to them.

851
0:41:18 --> 0:41:22
One of the reasons the Florida State Constitution

852
0:41:22 --> 0:41:27
is so amended is because it's absolute gridlock

853
0:41:27 --> 0:41:30
in Tallahassee.

854
0:41:30 --> 0:41:32
You have three Republicans running the state.

855
0:41:32 --> 0:41:34
DeSantis, Speaker Sprouls,

856
0:41:34 --> 0:41:37
and Senate President, Wilton Simpson.

857
0:41:37 --> 0:41:39
They fight like cats.

858
0:41:39 --> 0:41:43
They don't legislate, they do deals.

859
0:41:43 --> 0:41:46
It may benefit the people, but it benefits the politicians.

860
0:41:46 --> 0:41:50
And if you look at the campaign finance donation page,

861
0:41:50 --> 0:41:53
you will see millions and millions of dollars

862
0:41:53 --> 0:41:55
flowing into political action.

863
0:41:55 --> 0:42:00
This has nothing to do with what's right or what's wrong.

864
0:42:00 --> 0:42:04
This is all about power, money, and authority.

865
0:42:04 --> 0:42:08
And when DeSantis leaves and goes to Washington, DC,

866
0:42:08 --> 0:42:13
I have run into the socialists in Tallahassee,

867
0:42:13 --> 0:42:17
who are in geosynchronous orbit around state legislator

868
0:42:17 --> 0:42:19
waiting to jump in.

869
0:42:19 --> 0:42:23
Remember the crackhead, Gillum, Andrew Gillum,

870
0:42:23 --> 0:42:24
he almost won.

871
0:42:27 --> 0:42:29
These elections are not a done deal.

872
0:42:29 --> 0:42:33
Nobody wants November, this fall, the midterms to happen.

873
0:42:33 --> 0:42:35
There's so much in play here.

874
0:42:36 --> 0:42:38
So you guys gotta understand something.

875
0:42:38 --> 0:42:41
This is warfare.

876
0:42:41 --> 0:42:43
They are at war against us.

877
0:42:43 --> 0:42:48
They will come after people like Bobby Anne and her team.

878
0:42:48 --> 0:42:51
They'll come after every single one of you.

879
0:42:51 --> 0:42:54
They're probably watching this call.

880
0:42:55 --> 0:42:59
Whatever country you live in, whatever state you live in,

881
0:42:59 --> 0:43:03
whatever precinct, you better know the laws.

882
0:43:03 --> 0:43:06
And you better take on your civic duty,

883
0:43:06 --> 0:43:08
band together with citizens,

884
0:43:08 --> 0:43:13
and fight this tyranny tooth and nail, and never give up.

885
0:43:13 --> 0:43:15
Fight it to the death.

886
0:43:15 --> 0:43:17
Take your rights back.

887
0:43:17 --> 0:43:19
Take your sovereignty back.

888
0:43:19 --> 0:43:21
This country was founded on state's rights

889
0:43:21 --> 0:43:23
and state sovereignty.

890
0:43:23 --> 0:43:27
We didn't want an almighty power in Washington, DC,

891
0:43:27 --> 0:43:30
but by golly, we've got it

892
0:43:30 --> 0:43:33
because we failed in our civic duty.

893
0:43:33 --> 0:43:35
We were too busy raising our kids,

894
0:43:35 --> 0:43:39
going to baseball games and watching the football game.

895
0:43:39 --> 0:43:41
But it's time to get off the couch,

896
0:43:41 --> 0:43:46
put down the remote, do what Bobby Anne did, and fight.

897
0:43:46 --> 0:43:48
With all you've got, you've gotta fight.

898
0:43:48 --> 0:43:53
We can sit around here and pee up a flagpole all day long,

899
0:43:53 --> 0:43:55
but until we band together and fight

900
0:43:55 --> 0:43:59
and do something like Bobby Anne did, which is Herculean,

901
0:43:59 --> 0:44:01
and her work's not over.

902
0:44:01 --> 0:44:02
They're coming after her.

903
0:44:04 --> 0:44:08
Tom, are you the lawyer who helped Bobby Anne?

904
0:44:08 --> 0:44:08
I'm not a lawyer.

905
0:44:08 --> 0:44:11
I'm just a guy that's pissed off.

906
0:44:12 --> 0:44:13
Yeah.

907
0:44:13 --> 0:44:15
I'm a retired Marine fighter pilot.

908
0:44:15 --> 0:44:17
I play for keeps.

909
0:44:18 --> 0:44:19
Right.

910
0:44:19 --> 0:44:22
Tom, are you in contact with the two generals

911
0:44:22 --> 0:44:23
I'm in contact with?

912
0:44:24 --> 0:44:25
Yes.

913
0:44:25 --> 0:44:28
There's a bunch of people on here.

914
0:44:28 --> 0:44:33
The Move Freely America is in 32 states.

915
0:44:33 --> 0:44:35
In Florida, we have a massive coalition

916
0:44:35 --> 0:44:37
of medical freedom people.

917
0:44:37 --> 0:44:39
It's very powerful.

918
0:44:39 --> 0:44:40
Lori's involved.

919
0:44:41 --> 0:44:45
So we're fighting at the state level

920
0:44:45 --> 0:44:48
to take back states' rights and state sovereignty.

921
0:44:48 --> 0:44:50
Until we're successful at that,

922
0:44:50 --> 0:44:53
we are going to get our asses handed to us

923
0:44:53 --> 0:44:55
every single time.

924
0:44:55 --> 0:44:57
And when we go to Tallahassee,

925
0:44:57 --> 0:44:59
we've got all our ducks in a row.

926
0:44:59 --> 0:45:03
And if it doesn't make political sense, it doesn't happen.

927
0:45:03 --> 0:45:06
And by political sense, not us, we the people,

928
0:45:06 --> 0:45:11
but them, the politicians with the big money lobbyists.

929
0:45:13 --> 0:45:15
Because when you don't fulfill your civic duty

930
0:45:15 --> 0:45:18
or whatever you call it in your country,

931
0:45:18 --> 0:45:20
the lobbyists are gonna take over.

932
0:45:20 --> 0:45:24
Every single federal and state politician

933
0:45:24 --> 0:45:26
in the United States of America

934
0:45:26 --> 0:45:29
has money in their pockets from big pharma.

935
0:45:30 --> 0:45:34
And when this mandate came out,

936
0:45:34 --> 0:45:37
that was $30 billion to big pharma

937
0:45:37 --> 0:45:42
that did not have to go to sales and marketing.

938
0:45:42 --> 0:45:44
That went straight to the bottom line,

939
0:45:44 --> 0:45:46
into the political action funds,

940
0:45:46 --> 0:45:48
and right to the politicians.

941
0:45:48 --> 0:45:51
And don't you think the Senator Ron Johnson can help you?

942
0:45:51 --> 0:45:52
He can't.

943
0:45:52 --> 0:45:54
Why is he by himself?

944
0:45:55 --> 0:45:56
Why?

945
0:45:56 --> 0:45:57
Where's Ted Cruz?

946
0:45:57 --> 0:45:58
Oh, that's right.

947
0:45:58 --> 0:46:01
Ted Cruz's wife, Heidi, works for Pfizer.

948
0:46:02 --> 0:46:06
Everyone, there's 120 state reps in Florida

949
0:46:06 --> 0:46:08
and 40 state senators.

950
0:46:08 --> 0:46:12
Every single one of them has big pharma money.

951
0:46:13 --> 0:46:16
This is war, ladies and gentlemen.

952
0:46:16 --> 0:46:19
It's time to stand up and fight.

953
0:46:19 --> 0:46:22
You've gotta fight the forces of evil.

954
0:46:22 --> 0:46:25
If you're a lawyer, you gotta fight like Bobby M.

955
0:46:25 --> 0:46:28
If you're a doctor, you better fight like Robert Malone.

956
0:46:28 --> 0:46:30
And if you're an ordinary citizen like me,

957
0:46:30 --> 0:46:32
you better fight.

958
0:46:32 --> 0:46:33
Now, I'm gonna shut up.

959
0:46:33 --> 0:46:37
I recommend you let Hernan talk.

960
0:46:37 --> 0:46:38
He's got his hand up.

961
0:46:38 --> 0:46:40
That's a very, very smart man right there.

962
0:46:40 --> 0:46:42
He's part of our coalition.

963
0:46:42 --> 0:46:43
Right.

964
0:46:43 --> 0:46:44
Charles?

965
0:46:44 --> 0:46:45
Thank you.

966
0:46:45 --> 0:46:46
Thank you, Tom.

967
0:46:46 --> 0:46:49
Stephen, have you finished your questions of Bobby?

968
0:46:50 --> 0:46:52
Well, I was in the middle of them.

969
0:46:52 --> 0:46:53
Let me just have a look, Bobby.

970
0:46:55 --> 0:46:59
So what I thought was, I think we can get you onto,

971
0:46:59 --> 0:47:03
I don't know, Avery, could we get Bobby Anne onto Joe Rogan?

972
0:47:03 --> 0:47:06
I mean, after that speech, I agree with you, Tom, by the way.

973
0:47:08 --> 0:47:10
It may not make that much difference.

974
0:47:10 --> 0:47:14
But so I think that a lot of people don't know

975
0:47:14 --> 0:47:15
about Bobby Anne's victory,

976
0:47:15 --> 0:47:18
and it's very important that they do know about it.

977
0:47:19 --> 0:47:23
And it may have been mentioned on C-19D, Avery,

978
0:47:23 --> 0:47:25
but I haven't seen it.

979
0:47:25 --> 0:47:27
And that's a big miss in my opinion.

980
0:47:27 --> 0:47:29
So they're all talking about the data

981
0:47:29 --> 0:47:31
and they think it's all about the data

982
0:47:31 --> 0:47:32
and it's not about the data.

983
0:47:32 --> 0:47:34
It's about looking at cases like this,

984
0:47:34 --> 0:47:37
which can be repeated all around America

985
0:47:37 --> 0:47:38
and all over the world.

986
0:47:39 --> 0:47:43
Stephen, I don't actually participate in C-19D.

987
0:47:43 --> 0:47:47
It's too much chatter, too many messages,

988
0:47:47 --> 0:47:50
most of which I found irrelevant last year.

989
0:47:50 --> 0:47:51
I'm in C21X.

990
0:47:51 --> 0:47:54
C21X is a lot more focused,

991
0:47:54 --> 0:47:57
very, very focused on early treatment,

992
0:47:57 --> 0:48:00
on the vaccines, on trying to get,

993
0:48:00 --> 0:48:03
we're the ones that actually had that article last night

994
0:48:03 --> 0:48:06
from Steve Kirsch that was shared.

995
0:48:06 --> 0:48:09
So we've got a lot of people in our group, over 200.

996
0:48:09 --> 0:48:13
I mean, you have Paul Alexander and Dr. Erso,

997
0:48:13 --> 0:48:16
Dr. Amerling, who's in our group here in Florida.

998
0:48:17 --> 0:48:18
The list goes on.

999
0:48:18 --> 0:48:19
Kelly Vick.

1000
0:48:19 --> 0:48:22
Do any of those people in C21X,

1001
0:48:22 --> 0:48:24
you know, the people you're just talking about now,

1002
0:48:24 --> 0:48:26
do they know about this victory in New York State?

1003
0:48:26 --> 0:48:28
Because the victory in New York State,

1004
0:48:28 --> 0:48:32
if I'm not mistaken, is very important, isn't it, Bobby Anne?

1005
0:48:32 --> 0:48:36
New York State is not just any old state.

1006
0:48:36 --> 0:48:38
Isn't it the golden state?

1007
0:48:40 --> 0:48:41
I thought that was California.

1008
0:48:43 --> 0:48:46
Oh, I thought they had one on the East as well.

1009
0:48:46 --> 0:48:47
Maybe so.

1010
0:48:47 --> 0:48:49
I haven't seen a message on C21X.

1011
0:48:49 --> 0:48:51
I mean, it's been all matter.

1012
0:48:51 --> 0:48:53
Anyway, we're gonna get the message.

1013
0:48:53 --> 0:48:55
Let's work a strategy to get the message out.

1014
0:48:55 --> 0:48:57
Steven? Yeah, we need to think about it, yeah.

1015
0:48:57 --> 0:49:00
I'll get this out to C21X.

1016
0:49:00 --> 0:49:01
All right.

1017
0:49:01 --> 0:49:04
Charles, do you want to ask Hernan to speak?

1018
0:49:05 --> 0:49:08
We've got hands up, so let's get the hands.

1019
0:49:08 --> 0:49:10
So Bobby Anne, are you okay for the next 40 minutes?

1020
0:49:10 --> 0:49:13
We're going until the...

1021
0:49:13 --> 0:49:14
Yes.

1022
0:49:16 --> 0:49:17
What time would that be?

1023
0:49:17 --> 0:49:22
10.30 UK time, 8.30 AM Melbourne time.

1024
0:49:22 --> 0:49:23
So Hernan, next.

1025
0:49:25 --> 0:49:28
Thank you, Tom Alderick, for the shout out.

1026
0:49:28 --> 0:49:31
A very quick narrative.

1027
0:49:31 --> 0:49:34
The first one is in any war,

1028
0:49:34 --> 0:49:36
you look at the problem from a tactical

1029
0:49:36 --> 0:49:38
and a strategic level.

1030
0:49:38 --> 0:49:41
The majority of what I hear is at the tactical level.

1031
0:49:41 --> 0:49:43
So the question is,

1032
0:49:43 --> 0:49:46
what is our offensive plan at the strategic level?

1033
0:49:46 --> 0:49:49
And my follow-on question to that is,

1034
0:49:49 --> 0:49:53
why are we not working together to change the laws?

1035
0:49:53 --> 0:49:58
Okay, so the issue is,

1036
0:50:01 --> 0:50:06
there has to be a lot of volunteer effort involved.

1037
0:50:09 --> 0:50:11
What I have seen the last couple of years,

1038
0:50:11 --> 0:50:14
because before I brought this lawsuit

1039
0:50:14 --> 0:50:17
in the spring of this year,

1040
0:50:17 --> 0:50:20
I was doing a lot of advocacy work.

1041
0:50:20 --> 0:50:23
The last year, I was doing a lot of advocacy work.

1042
0:50:24 --> 0:50:27
The last two years, which happened completely.

1043
0:50:27 --> 0:50:28
It was not planned at all.

1044
0:50:29 --> 0:50:33
I was just practicing law, doing my thing.

1045
0:50:33 --> 0:50:37
And when March of 2020 came around

1046
0:50:37 --> 0:50:41
and they started locking people down in their homes,

1047
0:50:43 --> 0:50:44
yeah, I said, no, no, sorry.

1048
0:50:44 --> 0:50:47
This is not how government works.

1049
0:50:47 --> 0:50:49
Everybody's gone completely crazy.

1050
0:50:49 --> 0:50:51
The constitution was not written

1051
0:50:51 --> 0:50:53
to keep the people in check.

1052
0:50:53 --> 0:50:54
The constitution was written

1053
0:50:54 --> 0:50:56
to keep the politicians in check.

1054
0:50:56 --> 0:50:59
So I started to speak out

1055
0:51:00 --> 0:51:05
and people were reaching out texts, phone calls, emails.

1056
0:51:06 --> 0:51:09
Nobody knew, do I have to lock down?

1057
0:51:09 --> 0:51:10
Do I have to shut my business?

1058
0:51:10 --> 0:51:11
Can I go to work?

1059
0:51:11 --> 0:51:13
Can I open my store?

1060
0:51:13 --> 0:51:14
Can I open my restaurant?

1061
0:51:14 --> 0:51:15
Am I gonna get arrested?

1062
0:51:15 --> 0:51:17
People didn't know what was going on.

1063
0:51:17 --> 0:51:18
What was legal?

1064
0:51:18 --> 0:51:19
What wasn't?

1065
0:51:19 --> 0:51:19
What was constitutional?

1066
0:51:19 --> 0:51:20
What wasn't?

1067
0:51:20 --> 0:51:23
So I actually just started making videos

1068
0:51:23 --> 0:51:25
and posting them on the internet for free,

1069
0:51:25 --> 0:51:27
just for people to get information

1070
0:51:27 --> 0:51:31
so they could understand what was going on.

1071
0:51:31 --> 0:51:34
So I started posting on Rumble,

1072
0:51:34 --> 0:51:35
first YouTube and then they censored me.

1073
0:51:35 --> 0:51:36
So then I went over to Rumble.

1074
0:51:36 --> 0:51:40
So I actually, I don't post often now

1075
0:51:40 --> 0:51:43
because I'm very, very busy with this case and other work.

1076
0:51:43 --> 0:51:48
But the name on Rumble is All Things Lawyer,

1077
0:51:49 --> 0:51:50
is the name of the channel.

1078
0:51:51 --> 0:51:55
But my point is that people don't typically step up

1079
0:51:55 --> 0:51:57
and do something unless they are being directly

1080
0:51:57 --> 0:52:00
and imminently threatened with something

1081
0:52:00 --> 0:52:01
that they don't like.

1082
0:52:01 --> 0:52:06
So if people hear about, even with my lawsuit

1083
0:52:06 --> 0:52:07
for quarantine camps, right?

1084
0:52:07 --> 0:52:08
I mean, you would think people

1085
0:52:08 --> 0:52:11
would be completely outraged,

1086
0:52:11 --> 0:52:14
but a lot of people hear about it and then they say,

1087
0:52:14 --> 0:52:17
well, I can't imagine that the state

1088
0:52:17 --> 0:52:19
would actually enforce that.

1089
0:52:20 --> 0:52:22
I can't imagine that they would actually do that.

1090
0:52:22 --> 0:52:25
Or I haven't heard of anybody actually getting locked up.

1091
0:52:25 --> 0:52:27
So unless they're actually knocking on someone's door

1092
0:52:27 --> 0:52:29
and saying, we're taking your child now

1093
0:52:29 --> 0:52:31
and we'll let you know when you get to see them again,

1094
0:52:31 --> 0:52:33
a lot of people aren't gonna step up

1095
0:52:33 --> 0:52:35
and volunteer their time.

1096
0:52:35 --> 0:52:39
So it comes down to trying to get organizations

1097
0:52:39 --> 0:52:44
that already exist that are fighting other fights

1098
0:52:45 --> 0:52:49
to come together on, for example, this issue,

1099
0:52:49 --> 0:52:53
because in my opinion and in the judge's opinion on my case,

1100
0:52:53 --> 0:52:55
cause he asked this during oral arguments

1101
0:52:55 --> 0:52:58
when the attorney general and I were sparring

1102
0:52:59 --> 0:53:01
during oral arguments in court,

1103
0:53:01 --> 0:53:06
he said, isn't having a quarantine or isolation order

1104
0:53:09 --> 0:53:12
a lot different than having to wear a mask?

1105
0:53:14 --> 0:53:19
Doesn't it violate a significant human right

1106
0:53:19 --> 0:53:21
to move freely about your life?

1107
0:53:22 --> 0:53:24
And of course the attorney general said, no,

1108
0:53:24 --> 0:53:26
there's no difference between having to wear a mask

1109
0:53:26 --> 0:53:31
or being locked up for days or weeks or months on end

1110
0:53:32 --> 0:53:34
without any proof that you actually did anything wrong.

1111
0:53:34 --> 0:53:39
So this is a topic that I think everybody globally

1112
0:53:42 --> 0:53:43
should be concerned with.

1113
0:53:43 --> 0:53:48
And we're actually seeing these quarantine facilities,

1114
0:53:48 --> 0:53:51
these forced quarantines in countries,

1115
0:53:51 --> 0:53:54
obviously China, but in Canada, in Australia,

1116
0:53:54 --> 0:53:57
I mean, you're seeing these things happen.

1117
0:53:57 --> 0:54:01
And so here in the United States or here in New York,

1118
0:54:01 --> 0:54:03
it's hard to get people to move and do something

1119
0:54:03 --> 0:54:05
because it's not in their face

1120
0:54:05 --> 0:54:07
and it's not knocking on their door.

1121
0:54:08 --> 0:54:12
But I do think that it is very important topic.

1122
0:54:12 --> 0:54:16
If something like this takes hold in New York,

1123
0:54:17 --> 0:54:22
guaranteed 1000%, it will spread like wildfire

1124
0:54:22 --> 0:54:23
across the country.

1125
0:54:23 --> 0:54:25
The other states will look and say, well, wait a minute,

1126
0:54:25 --> 0:54:28
wait a minute, New York is allowed to forcibly quarantine

1127
0:54:28 --> 0:54:30
and isolate their citizens.

1128
0:54:30 --> 0:54:32
So can we, we're gonna do it too.

1129
0:54:32 --> 0:54:37
We saw this with, we've seen it for a long time,

1130
0:54:37 --> 0:54:39
but most recently, I'll give an example

1131
0:54:39 --> 0:54:42
because it's restricting freedom and religious beliefs.

1132
0:54:42 --> 0:54:45
We saw it when New York state in 2019

1133
0:54:45 --> 0:54:50
got rid of the religious exemption possibility

1134
0:54:51 --> 0:54:53
for children getting a vaccine.

1135
0:54:53 --> 0:54:58
So in 2019, New York state legislature changed their law

1136
0:54:58 --> 0:55:03
to say that a child cannot be exempt from getting a vaccine

1137
0:55:03 --> 0:55:05
for a religious purpose, for a religious meaning.

1138
0:55:07 --> 0:55:10
And then all of a sudden, oh, wait a minute,

1139
0:55:10 --> 0:55:12
now New Jersey tried to do it.

1140
0:55:12 --> 0:55:14
Wait a minute, now Connecticut did it.

1141
0:55:14 --> 0:55:16
It actually passed in Connecticut last year.

1142
0:55:16 --> 0:55:18
So now Connecticut, you can't have

1143
0:55:18 --> 0:55:20
a religious exemption either.

1144
0:55:20 --> 0:55:24
So things start to trickle out from New York

1145
0:55:24 --> 0:55:25
and then they just spread.

1146
0:55:25 --> 0:55:28
And then once they go to all the blue states,

1147
0:55:28 --> 0:55:29
eventually they're gonna go to all the states.

1148
0:55:29 --> 0:55:33
And then the federal government comes in and says,

1149
0:55:33 --> 0:55:35
oh, well, look, all the states like this law,

1150
0:55:35 --> 0:55:36
they all have it.

1151
0:55:36 --> 0:55:38
Now we're gonna do it at the federal level

1152
0:55:38 --> 0:55:40
because obviously that's what the citizens want

1153
0:55:40 --> 0:55:42
because look at all the states that already have it.

1154
0:55:42 --> 0:55:46
So it's just, it's tyranny.

1155
0:55:46 --> 0:55:48
It's tyranny like unbelievably.

1156
0:55:49 --> 0:55:54
And it's gotta be stopped here and now

1157
0:55:54 --> 0:55:57
because now other states can look and say,

1158
0:55:57 --> 0:55:59
oh gosh, that got shot down in New York.

1159
0:55:59 --> 0:56:01
Yeah, okay, well, I guess I shouldn't try it

1160
0:56:01 --> 0:56:03
because if New York couldn't get away with it,

1161
0:56:03 --> 0:56:05
certainly we can't get away with it.

1162
0:56:05 --> 0:56:09
But that's why fighting this appeal is so crucial

1163
0:56:09 --> 0:56:13
because if they are able to overturn this decision,

1164
0:56:13 --> 0:56:15
now we're back to square one

1165
0:56:15 --> 0:56:17
where the regulation will become valid again.

1166
0:56:17 --> 0:56:19
And now we're back to square one

1167
0:56:19 --> 0:56:22
fighting against complete tyranny

1168
0:56:22 --> 0:56:26
and then having it spread across the country to other states.

1169
0:56:26 --> 0:56:27
And once it's across the country to other states

1170
0:56:27 --> 0:56:29
or once it's federal in the United States,

1171
0:56:29 --> 0:56:31
I think we all know what's gonna happen

1172
0:56:31 --> 0:56:32
to all the other countries around the world

1173
0:56:32 --> 0:56:34
when they're saying, well, wait a minute,

1174
0:56:34 --> 0:56:36
the United States is allowed to forcibly quarantine

1175
0:56:36 --> 0:56:38
or isolate their people without any proof

1176
0:56:38 --> 0:56:40
that they did anything wrong.

1177
0:56:40 --> 0:56:43
They don't have any proof they actually have a disease.

1178
0:56:43 --> 0:56:48
So it's just a little tiny thing to some people.

1179
0:56:51 --> 0:56:56
Like somebody in Kansas or somebody in Oregon or whatever

1180
0:56:57 --> 0:57:00
saying, oh, well, who cares if New York's governor

1181
0:57:00 --> 0:57:04
is allowed to force her citizens into quarantine

1182
0:57:04 --> 0:57:07
without proof of anything?

1183
0:57:07 --> 0:57:10
It does matter to the person sitting at their table,

1184
0:57:10 --> 0:57:14
having dinner in Kansas because Kansas is gonna come,

1185
0:57:14 --> 0:57:15
it's gonna come to you next.

1186
0:57:15 --> 0:57:18
And then once it's across the country, in this country,

1187
0:57:18 --> 0:57:20
where are you going to go and hide?

1188
0:57:20 --> 0:57:22
Like it's just, it's tyranny

1189
0:57:22 --> 0:57:26
and it's going to become prevalent if we don't stop it.

1190
0:57:26 --> 0:57:27
And in my opinion,

1191
0:57:27 --> 0:57:29
here is where we stop it at the nugget, right?

1192
0:57:29 --> 0:57:33
We're stopping at a ground zero if we can stop here

1193
0:57:34 --> 0:57:36
for the reasons that I've laid out already.

1194
0:57:37 --> 0:57:39
And just to go back one minute

1195
0:57:39 --> 0:57:42
to what Lori was saying earlier, I believe it was Lori,

1196
0:57:42 --> 0:57:44
about Florida having a law.

1197
0:57:44 --> 0:57:48
So the difference, every state,

1198
0:57:48 --> 0:57:49
what Tom was saying is correct.

1199
0:57:49 --> 0:57:50
Every state is different.

1200
0:57:50 --> 0:57:52
You have different state governments

1201
0:57:52 --> 0:57:54
and they're comprised of different people

1202
0:57:54 --> 0:57:56
and parties and whatnot.

1203
0:57:57 --> 0:57:58
So the different states have different rules,

1204
0:57:58 --> 0:58:00
different regulations, different laws.

1205
0:58:00 --> 0:58:05
But if there's, New York does have a quarantine law.

1206
0:58:05 --> 0:58:08
It's section 2120 of the public health law.

1207
0:58:08 --> 0:58:11
So if Florida has one too, I'm not surprised.

1208
0:58:11 --> 0:58:14
New York has one, we've had it for 70 years,

1209
0:58:14 --> 0:58:17
but it has a lot of due process protections

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0:58:17 --> 0:58:19
for the citizens built into it.

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0:58:19 --> 0:58:24
So you can't, an agency cannot just say on a whim,

1212
0:58:25 --> 0:58:28
oh, there's no health emergency.

1213
0:58:28 --> 0:58:33
I think Mr. Smith, or I think this whole group of people

1214
0:58:34 --> 0:58:38
who went to this political fundraiser

1215
0:58:38 --> 0:58:40
for the governor's opponent,

1216
0:58:40 --> 0:58:44
I think all those people now have whatever, tuberculosis

1217
0:58:44 --> 0:58:46
or COVID or whatever's on their list.

1218
0:58:49 --> 0:58:51
We need to lock you guys all up.

1219
0:58:51 --> 0:58:54
There's a big difference between that

1220
0:58:54 --> 0:58:58
and going through the law that has passed and on the books

1221
0:58:58 --> 0:59:00
and has protections built into it.

1222
0:59:00 --> 0:59:04
So you have to kind of look on a case by case basis,

1223
0:59:04 --> 0:59:08
you have to look and see what are you challenging

1224
0:59:08 --> 0:59:09
or what are you upset about?

1225
0:59:09 --> 0:59:11
What are you in up and arms about?

1226
0:59:11 --> 0:59:12
Is it legal?

1227
0:59:12 --> 0:59:13
Is it constitutional?

1228
0:59:13 --> 0:59:18
Or is it a complete thrashing of the constitution?

1229
0:59:18 --> 0:59:21
It's very case specific.

1230
0:59:21 --> 0:59:24
It's very case specific as law always is.

1231
0:59:25 --> 0:59:28
Okay, so very good.

1232
0:59:28 --> 0:59:31
Bobby Hoonan, your question has been answered.

1233
0:59:33 --> 0:59:36
Well, to a degree, the basic point that I'm making here

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0:59:36 --> 0:59:39
is that they are changing the laws, we are not.

1235
0:59:40 --> 0:59:43
And we, as a bunch of different organizations

1236
0:59:43 --> 0:59:45
have to converge together

1237
0:59:45 --> 0:59:49
on a set of mutually agreed upon model legislation.

1238
0:59:49 --> 0:59:52
I have started that process already,

1239
0:59:52 --> 0:59:54
MedicalFreedomAct.org.

1240
0:59:54 --> 0:59:57
We're not an organization, we're a movement

1241
0:59:57 --> 0:59:59
and you guys can all adopt it.

1242
0:59:59 --> 1:00:02
Feel free to work with us to get it changed.

1243
1:00:02 --> 1:00:03
But we have to start doing

1244
1:00:03 --> 1:00:07
what the World Economic Forum is doing, regulatory capture.

1245
1:00:07 --> 1:00:12
We have to retake back the laws of our country and our state.

1246
1:00:12 --> 1:00:15
That has to be our ultimate long-term 20-year goal.

1247
1:00:15 --> 1:00:17
There's no other solution.

1248
1:00:18 --> 1:00:19
Excellent, thank you Hoonan.

1249
1:00:19 --> 1:00:24
So put your, that's the website, MedicalFreedomAct.org.

1250
1:00:24 --> 1:00:25
Yes, sir, that's it.

1251
1:00:25 --> 1:00:30
Excellent, everybody please take note, check it out.

1252
1:00:30 --> 1:00:32
And well done on the work that you are doing Hoonan.

1253
1:00:32 --> 1:00:34
Jerry from Ireland, next question

1254
1:00:34 --> 1:00:36
because we've got half an hour left.

1255
1:00:36 --> 1:00:37
We've got a few hands up.

1256
1:00:37 --> 1:00:42
So, and Bobby Hoonan, be quick on the quickfire answers.

1257
1:00:42 --> 1:00:44
I know you can, you're a lawyer

1258
1:00:44 --> 1:00:46
so you can give extensive answers.

1259
1:00:46 --> 1:00:48
So let's do the summary answers.

1260
1:00:48 --> 1:00:50
Otherwise we will be running out of time.

1261
1:00:50 --> 1:00:52
Jerry.

1262
1:00:52 --> 1:00:53
Yet again, I'll introduce myself.

1263
1:00:54 --> 1:00:55
I'm an Irish GP of 40 years

1264
1:00:55 --> 1:00:59
who has struck off the medical register for refusing

1265
1:00:59 --> 1:01:03
to go along with the hoax of COVID-19,

1266
1:01:03 --> 1:01:05
for refusing to get the PCR test done,

1267
1:01:05 --> 1:01:07
for refusing to wear a mask,

1268
1:01:07 --> 1:01:12
for refusing to take part in the social isolation

1269
1:01:12 --> 1:01:17
and refusing to give the messenger RNA assault.

1270
1:01:20 --> 1:01:21
That's who I am.

1271
1:01:21 --> 1:01:26
I would like to thank Bobby, Laurie, Tom and Hernan

1272
1:01:28 --> 1:01:33
for their very positive and heartfelt attack on this hoax

1273
1:01:39 --> 1:01:41
and the fight that they're putting up.

1274
1:01:42 --> 1:01:44
I have said, and I will continue to say,

1275
1:01:44 --> 1:01:49
if you don't, if you're not prepared to go all in

1276
1:01:49 --> 1:01:50
on this game of poker,

1277
1:01:51 --> 1:01:56
you don't understand the gravity of the situation.

1278
1:01:57 --> 1:02:02
This is the greatest crime in not only medical history

1279
1:02:03 --> 1:02:05
but in world history.

1280
1:02:05 --> 1:02:08
And it'll probably have the greatest consequences

1281
1:02:08 --> 1:02:11
with possibly millions and hundreds of millions

1282
1:02:11 --> 1:02:15
of people dead as a direct result of this vaccine.

1283
1:02:15 --> 1:02:16
So as I say, if you don't,

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1:02:16 --> 1:02:19
if you're not prepared to be all in,

1285
1:02:19 --> 1:02:22
well, then you don't understand the gravity of it.

1286
1:02:22 --> 1:02:24
And that's up to us, particularly us doctors,

1287
1:02:24 --> 1:02:25
because we're the people.

1288
1:02:25 --> 1:02:27
This is a medical problem.

1289
1:02:27 --> 1:02:31
Us doctors have the responsibility to educate people

1290
1:02:31 --> 1:02:36
and make them understand the gravity of this condition.

1291
1:02:38 --> 1:02:41
What I would say is, talk about all in.

1292
1:02:41 --> 1:02:46
We have to fund those people who are fighting on our side.

1293
1:02:47 --> 1:02:50
Now, unfortunately, when money comes into things

1294
1:02:50 --> 1:02:53
and crowdfunding and GoFundMe

1295
1:02:53 --> 1:02:57
and the sort of green-eyed monster comes up

1296
1:02:57 --> 1:03:00
and the possibility of embezzlement in that,

1297
1:03:00 --> 1:03:03
I made a commitment a couple of weeks ago to Albert

1298
1:03:03 --> 1:03:05
that I intend to keep,

1299
1:03:07 --> 1:03:11
to help finance his research into VAERS.

1300
1:03:11 --> 1:03:15
And my problem is just getting the money

1301
1:03:15 --> 1:03:18
to Albert, which I want to do and I will do.

1302
1:03:20 --> 1:03:23
But overall, as I say, if we're not prepared

1303
1:03:23 --> 1:03:28
to shove our hand across with our full bet,

1304
1:03:31 --> 1:03:34
we need to go all in on this game

1305
1:03:34 --> 1:03:37
because they're all in and we need to be.

1306
1:03:39 --> 1:03:43
Overall, I, you know, I'm not going to be all in

1307
1:03:45 --> 1:03:49
I would like to thank Bobby and those.

1308
1:03:49 --> 1:03:51
And the other point I'd like to make would be,

1309
1:03:51 --> 1:03:55
we need a pool, the amicus briefs

1310
1:03:55 --> 1:03:57
that Bobby was talking about,

1311
1:03:57 --> 1:03:58
she, you know, gave the impression

1312
1:03:58 --> 1:04:01
that she found some of them very helpful.

1313
1:04:01 --> 1:04:02
I think we need a pool.

1314
1:04:02 --> 1:04:06
I am facing the medical council in whenever

1315
1:04:08 --> 1:04:11
there's a concept of justice denied

1316
1:04:11 --> 1:04:14
or justice delayed is justice denied.

1317
1:04:14 --> 1:04:17
I have been temporarily suspended

1318
1:04:17 --> 1:04:22
from the medical register for what, 17 months now.

1319
1:04:22 --> 1:04:24
So that's kind of justice denied.

1320
1:04:25 --> 1:04:27
So I, in effect, have been struck off.

1321
1:04:27 --> 1:04:29
My business is destroyed.

1322
1:04:30 --> 1:04:32
So what I would like to do,

1323
1:04:32 --> 1:04:34
I'd like to be able to get my hands

1324
1:04:34 --> 1:04:38
on those type of amicus briefs and the judgements in that.

1325
1:04:38 --> 1:04:40
Now I know the judge, I've already read the judgment

1326
1:04:40 --> 1:04:42
that Bobby has put up,

1327
1:04:42 --> 1:04:43
but I'd like to be able to get my hands,

1328
1:04:43 --> 1:04:47
I'd like to be able to get my hands on it relatively easily

1329
1:04:47 --> 1:04:51
because I'm an old dinosaur, as far as computers go.

1330
1:04:51 --> 1:04:56
And getting onto a Zoom call is sometimes difficult for me.

1331
1:04:56 --> 1:05:01
Nevermind go searching through the chats and that.

1332
1:05:01 --> 1:05:04
So as I say, I would like to have access to these things

1333
1:05:04 --> 1:05:07
because I'm not legally represented as of yet

1334
1:05:07 --> 1:05:10
in my defense against the medical council.

1335
1:05:10 --> 1:05:13
So thanks folks for all the effort you're putting in.

1336
1:05:14 --> 1:05:15
We need you.

1337
1:05:16 --> 1:05:17
Thank you.

1338
1:05:17 --> 1:05:18
Thank you, Jerry.

1339
1:05:18 --> 1:05:20
And it's in the chat.

1340
1:05:20 --> 1:05:24
We'll make sure that you do get access to those papers.

1341
1:05:24 --> 1:05:25
Well said.

1342
1:05:26 --> 1:05:26
All right.

1343
1:05:26 --> 1:05:28
All right.

1344
1:05:28 --> 1:05:29
Jerry, great work.

1345
1:05:29 --> 1:05:30
Glenn now.

1346
1:05:30 --> 1:05:33
Glenn from the USA, Bobby.

1347
1:05:33 --> 1:05:34
Bobby Anne.

1348
1:05:37 --> 1:05:37
Yes.

1349
1:05:39 --> 1:05:41
This is a very interesting group.

1350
1:05:41 --> 1:05:44
Joining us Bobby, Lori, Tom and Hernan.

1351
1:05:45 --> 1:05:49
I've been involved in a variety of activities.

1352
1:05:49 --> 1:05:52
I'm the founder and chairman of the Unity Against COVID.

1353
1:05:54 --> 1:05:56
A major element of what I've worked on

1354
1:05:56 --> 1:06:00
is around providing public comment into the FDA process.

1355
1:06:02 --> 1:06:04
I started in October, I repeated it in February

1356
1:06:04 --> 1:06:09
when they attempted the six months to five-year-olds

1357
1:06:09 --> 1:06:13
and repeated again in June when they went ahead

1358
1:06:13 --> 1:06:16
and did it again and passed it with virtually

1359
1:06:16 --> 1:06:21
no positive aspects to any of the randomized control trials.

1360
1:06:23 --> 1:06:27
As part of that effort, we were able to encourage the public

1361
1:06:27 --> 1:06:32
to submit 130,796 comments to the FDA.

1362
1:06:35 --> 1:06:38
Now part of the FDA's process is that they must consider

1363
1:06:39 --> 1:06:42
and make available to the staff

1364
1:06:42 --> 1:06:45
all of the comments that are submitted.

1365
1:06:46 --> 1:06:48
However, the process for making available

1366
1:06:48 --> 1:06:52
is moving something from submitted to posted.

1367
1:06:53 --> 1:06:57
As of the decision date of the FDA,

1368
1:06:57 --> 1:07:00
there were zero posted submissions.

1369
1:07:01 --> 1:07:05
This is a massive coverup of a grand scale.

1370
1:07:05 --> 1:07:08
Not only did they not keep up with the count

1371
1:07:08 --> 1:07:11
that were there, they intentionally blocked any.

1372
1:07:11 --> 1:07:14
It's zero, there's never been a case of this,

1373
1:07:14 --> 1:07:18
I would guess in any agency on any regulation.

1374
1:07:20 --> 1:07:22
This is just one of many cycles

1375
1:07:22 --> 1:07:24
of what we're seeing is coverup.

1376
1:07:24 --> 1:07:27
That is hundreds to thousands of times worse

1377
1:07:27 --> 1:07:29
than what we saw in Watergate.

1378
1:07:29 --> 1:07:33
And where is our press to help on this?

1379
1:07:33 --> 1:07:33
Nowhere.

1380
1:07:34 --> 1:07:39
So I did join with Leslie Minuchian and Naomi Wolf

1381
1:07:42 --> 1:07:47
as part of the process for suing the Biden administration

1382
1:07:47 --> 1:07:49
and the FDA is you must start with something called

1383
1:07:49 --> 1:07:51
the citizen's petition.

1384
1:07:51 --> 1:07:54
So these elements of coverup that I just described

1385
1:07:54 --> 1:07:58
have been put into that citizen's petition

1386
1:07:58 --> 1:08:00
as well as a number of other entries

1387
1:08:00 --> 1:08:02
that they had already been working on.

1388
1:08:02 --> 1:08:05
So that is an active process.

1389
1:08:06 --> 1:08:08
It's a confusing one in that the federal courts

1390
1:08:08 --> 1:08:10
require you to go through this step

1391
1:08:10 --> 1:08:11
before they actually allow the suit.

1392
1:08:11 --> 1:08:15
But it is in progress and that citizen petition

1393
1:08:15 --> 1:08:17
is available online.

1394
1:08:19 --> 1:08:22
I've also been pursuing some other avenues.

1395
1:08:22 --> 1:08:25
And so some things I wanted to alert you to

1396
1:08:25 --> 1:08:29
that to some extent as a non-lawyer,

1397
1:08:29 --> 1:08:32
I'm a retired engineer.

1398
1:08:33 --> 1:08:36
I was not aware of and I've actually been quite surprised

1399
1:08:36 --> 1:08:38
how many other people are unaware of.

1400
1:08:39 --> 1:08:43
The first amendment is an extraordinarily powerful

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1:08:43 --> 1:08:45
piece of legislation.

1402
1:08:47 --> 1:08:50
Many people think it's just the freedom of speech,

1403
1:08:50 --> 1:08:52
but in fact, it's freedom of religion,

1404
1:08:52 --> 1:08:53
it's freedom of speech, it's freedom of press,

1405
1:08:53 --> 1:08:56
it's freedom to peacefully assemble.

1406
1:08:56 --> 1:09:00
It's only 45 words, it covers all of those things.

1407
1:09:01 --> 1:09:03
And there's one other element to it.

1408
1:09:03 --> 1:09:06
And that's the petition clause.

1409
1:09:07 --> 1:09:11
I'm gonna read you the essence of what you end up with

1410
1:09:11 --> 1:09:12
when you walk through the first amendment,

1411
1:09:12 --> 1:09:16
just addressing the petition clause, 20 words.

1412
1:09:17 --> 1:09:22
Congress shall make no law abridging the right of the people

1413
1:09:23 --> 1:09:27
to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

1414
1:09:28 --> 1:09:33
Now, first amendment, that means the Supreme Court

1415
1:09:33 --> 1:09:37
will support everything that's in that statement.

1416
1:09:37 --> 1:09:40
One of the things we've heard about is the people

1417
1:09:40 --> 1:09:44
getting targeted for domestic terrorism,

1418
1:09:44 --> 1:09:46
things like people speaking up

1419
1:09:46 --> 1:09:49
at a board of education meeting.

1420
1:09:50 --> 1:09:54
What I'm trying to identify here is if one is careful

1421
1:09:55 --> 1:09:58
and one approaches their grievances

1422
1:09:58 --> 1:10:03
exactly like the petition clause of the first amendment,

1423
1:10:03 --> 1:10:05
you are absolutely protected.

1424
1:10:05 --> 1:10:06
You are protected by the Supreme Court,

1425
1:10:06 --> 1:10:11
you are protected by the constitutional sheriffs,

1426
1:10:11 --> 1:10:14
you should be protected by local law enforcement

1427
1:10:14 --> 1:10:18
as well as every attorney,

1428
1:10:18 --> 1:10:22
every prosecutor in the country.

1429
1:10:22 --> 1:10:24
Now, that doesn't mean you will get that support immediately,

1430
1:10:25 --> 1:10:28
but you should be assured that it will arrive for you

1431
1:10:28 --> 1:10:30
if that were the case.

1432
1:10:30 --> 1:10:34
So keep in mind, it is a petition clause,

1433
1:10:34 --> 1:10:38
it requires that you petition the government

1434
1:10:39 --> 1:10:41
for a redress of grievances.

1435
1:10:41 --> 1:10:43
So you need to state your grievances

1436
1:10:43 --> 1:10:45
and you need to state what you believe

1437
1:10:45 --> 1:10:48
is an appropriate redress to correct it.

1438
1:10:48 --> 1:10:51
If you do that combination of things,

1439
1:10:51 --> 1:10:52
we are the only country in the world

1440
1:10:52 --> 1:10:55
that has that kind of first amendment

1441
1:10:55 --> 1:10:57
and in this particular case,

1442
1:10:57 --> 1:11:01
a direct ability to petition our government for action.

1443
1:11:04 --> 1:11:07
The item of that elk that I'm also working on,

1444
1:11:07 --> 1:11:10
I'm not gonna go into a lot of detail at this point,

1445
1:11:10 --> 1:11:14
but that's around terminating the national emergency.

1446
1:11:14 --> 1:11:17
The original national emergency was put in effect

1447
1:11:17 --> 1:11:22
on March 13th, crazy Friday the 13th of 2020.

1448
1:11:23 --> 1:11:25
It has been renewed each year.

1449
1:11:26 --> 1:11:31
However, there's pending bills in the US Congress

1450
1:11:31 --> 1:11:36
to repeal and to terminate that national emergency.

1451
1:11:38 --> 1:11:41
It's called joint resolutions.

1452
1:11:41 --> 1:11:44
There is a joint resolution that is in the Senate

1453
1:11:44 --> 1:11:46
and has already passed.

1454
1:11:46 --> 1:11:51
It passed by 48 to 47 on March 3rd of 2022.

1455
1:11:52 --> 1:11:53
So the job is half done.

1456
1:11:54 --> 1:11:59
The comparison one for the House of Representatives

1457
1:11:59 --> 1:12:03
is HJRES, R-E-S dot 46.

1458
1:12:04 --> 1:12:07
And it is pending and we believe

1459
1:12:07 --> 1:12:09
that there should be a concerted effort

1460
1:12:09 --> 1:12:13
to engage our public and to move this forward

1461
1:12:13 --> 1:12:17
to press our congressmen to support that termination

1462
1:12:17 --> 1:12:19
of the national emergency.

1463
1:12:21 --> 1:12:26
So I'm curious to what degree any of the four of you,

1464
1:12:26 --> 1:12:29
Bobby, Laurie, Tom, or Hernan had been thinking

1465
1:12:29 --> 1:12:30
in that terms.

1466
1:12:30 --> 1:12:35
I'm also curious, I've had various people describe to me

1467
1:12:35 --> 1:12:39
some of the powers that the sheriffs can bring to bear.

1468
1:12:39 --> 1:12:42
And if there have been any actions around engaging

1469
1:12:42 --> 1:12:46
the sheriffs as an alternative law enforcement mechanism

1470
1:12:46 --> 1:12:49
that can be engaged by the public

1471
1:12:49 --> 1:12:52
without having to go to court in all of its delays

1472
1:12:52 --> 1:12:54
and all of its extra costs.

1473
1:12:54 --> 1:12:55
Thank you.

1474
1:12:56 --> 1:12:57
Thank you, Glenn.

1475
1:12:57 --> 1:12:59
Bobby, Anne, first, you, what are your thoughts

1476
1:12:59 --> 1:13:02
on Glenn's well-articulated

1477
1:13:02 --> 1:13:05
and well-thought through strategies?

1478
1:13:08 --> 1:13:10
Yeah, so thank you, Glenn.

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1:13:10 --> 1:13:15
You know, somebody had put me in touch with Leslie

1480
1:13:16 --> 1:13:17
briefly through email.

1481
1:13:17 --> 1:13:22
We haven't really connected in a detailed manner.

1482
1:13:25 --> 1:13:30
And then also somebody had connected me with Naomi Wolf

1483
1:13:30 --> 1:13:35
also through email, but we have connected either.

1484
1:13:35 --> 1:13:40
But I know that your organization is pretty vast

1485
1:13:42 --> 1:13:47
from what I hear and that you guys are doing great things

1486
1:13:48 --> 1:13:53
with Leslie and Naomi and this new law student stuff.

1487
1:13:53 --> 1:13:54
And then being able to use that,

1488
1:13:54 --> 1:13:58
like I think Naomi Wolf has a forum where she has

1489
1:13:58 --> 1:14:01
an audience and whatnot, it's like interviews and stuff.

1490
1:14:01 --> 1:14:05
I would be happy to go on her show and answer questions

1491
1:14:05 --> 1:14:07
and talk to people about this and help raise awareness

1492
1:14:07 --> 1:14:11
and educate people because this is an information war.

1493
1:14:12 --> 1:14:16
You know, censorship is real.

1494
1:14:16 --> 1:14:18
Censorship is terrible.

1495
1:14:18 --> 1:14:22
Censorship can get us into the mess that we're in

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1:14:22 --> 1:14:24
and can prevent us from getting out of the mess

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1:14:24 --> 1:14:26
that we're in.

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1:14:26 --> 1:14:29
And, you know, my lawsuit is being censored.

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1:14:29 --> 1:14:31
The regulation for the whole forced quarantines

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1:14:31 --> 1:14:33
is being censored.

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1:14:34 --> 1:14:39
You know, anytime I turn to try and say something,

1502
1:14:40 --> 1:14:42
do something to speak out, it's being censored.

1503
1:14:42 --> 1:14:46
So anyone that has outlets, groups, organizations,

1504
1:14:46 --> 1:14:49
or regulation that have a platform,

1505
1:14:49 --> 1:14:51
getting this word out on your platform, like I said,

1506
1:14:51 --> 1:14:53
I'm happy to do an interview or answer questions

1507
1:14:53 --> 1:14:55
or, you know, whatever the case may be,

1508
1:14:57 --> 1:15:01
to effectuate an education about this regulation,

1509
1:15:01 --> 1:15:03
about our lawsuit, about the fact that we want

1510
1:15:03 --> 1:15:05
and about the fact that now, you know,

1511
1:15:05 --> 1:15:07
we have to stave off an appeal.

1512
1:15:07 --> 1:15:08
Stave off an appeal.

1513
1:15:10 --> 1:15:14
And just to go back for a minute to earlier,

1514
1:15:14 --> 1:15:15
what the gentleman earlier was saying,

1515
1:15:15 --> 1:15:19
I think it was Hernan was saying it, you know,

1516
1:15:19 --> 1:15:21
they're changing the laws, they're doing this.

1517
1:15:21 --> 1:15:22
We need to change the laws.

1518
1:15:22 --> 1:15:26
We definitely do need to effectuate change

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1:15:26 --> 1:15:27
the way they are.

1520
1:15:27 --> 1:15:29
Lawsuits, I've said this from day one.

1521
1:15:29 --> 1:15:31
You know, I've been speaking out for a couple of years now

1522
1:15:31 --> 1:15:32
about this stuff.

1523
1:15:32 --> 1:15:34
I've said this from day one.

1524
1:15:35 --> 1:15:38
One lawsuit is not going to free a nation

1525
1:15:38 --> 1:15:42
or free a world.

1526
1:15:42 --> 1:15:44
It's gonna help, but there has to be things,

1527
1:15:44 --> 1:15:46
other things that are being done too.

1528
1:15:46 --> 1:15:48
It has to be a multi-pronged approach.

1529
1:15:48 --> 1:15:52
We have to be coming at this problem from different levels

1530
1:15:52 --> 1:15:57
and from different angles in order to be truly successful

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1:15:57 --> 1:16:00
and to be successful so that, you know,

1532
1:16:00 --> 1:16:04
we don't lose a lot of time and ground in the process

1533
1:16:04 --> 1:16:05
or in the meanwhile.

1534
1:16:05 --> 1:16:09
So lawsuits definitely are needed, absolutely 100%.

1535
1:16:09 --> 1:16:10
And nobody was taking up this lawsuit.

1536
1:16:10 --> 1:16:12
So I took it up myself.

1537
1:16:12 --> 1:16:15
And to go back to someone's point about, you know,

1538
1:16:15 --> 1:16:17
everybody, you know, lawyers wanna get paid.

1539
1:16:17 --> 1:16:21
I understand, you know, very, very few people

1540
1:16:21 --> 1:16:22
can work for free.

1541
1:16:22 --> 1:16:25
I can't afford to work for free, trust me.

1542
1:16:25 --> 1:16:27
I have a lot of responsibilities,

1543
1:16:27 --> 1:16:30
but it wasn't about working for free versus getting paid.

1544
1:16:30 --> 1:16:35
It was about, there is no way I am going to let this stand

1545
1:16:35 --> 1:16:38
because this is so wrong

1546
1:16:38 --> 1:16:40
from not just a constitutional standpoint,

1547
1:16:40 --> 1:16:44
from a human civil rights standpoint.

1548
1:16:44 --> 1:16:47
And, you know, was I looking to move out of New York?

1549
1:16:47 --> 1:16:50
Was I shopping around for a place in Florida, let's say,

1550
1:16:50 --> 1:16:52
where it's much more free?

1551
1:16:52 --> 1:16:54
Yeah, who wouldn't wanna leave a state

1552
1:16:54 --> 1:16:56
that's trying to do this?

1553
1:16:56 --> 1:16:59
But the reason I didn't leave is because if I leave

1554
1:16:59 --> 1:17:01
and nobody else is standing up to fight this,

1555
1:17:01 --> 1:17:02
who's gonna fight it?

1556
1:17:02 --> 1:17:03
No one's gonna fight it.

1557
1:17:03 --> 1:17:05
And if nobody's gonna fight it, it's gonna stand.

1558
1:17:05 --> 1:17:07
And if it stands, now we're in big trouble

1559
1:17:07 --> 1:17:09
because now it's gonna spread across the country.

1560
1:17:09 --> 1:17:14
So, you know, it's a matter of, you know,

1561
1:17:14 --> 1:17:16
some people say to me, oh, I wanna help, I wanna help.

1562
1:17:16 --> 1:17:17
What can I do?

1563
1:17:17 --> 1:17:18
I'm not a lawyer.

1564
1:17:18 --> 1:17:19
You know, you don't have to be a lawyer.

1565
1:17:19 --> 1:17:20
You don't have to be a paralegal.

1566
1:17:20 --> 1:17:22
You don't have to be a doctor or a scientist.

1567
1:17:22 --> 1:17:23
And you don't have to be on the front lines

1568
1:17:23 --> 1:17:24
because a lot of people say,

1569
1:17:24 --> 1:17:26
I'm afraid of cancel culture.

1570
1:17:26 --> 1:17:27
You're like, I can't afford to lose my job.

1571
1:17:27 --> 1:17:29
You know, I'm the breadwinner in my family.

1572
1:17:29 --> 1:17:30
Trust me, I totally get that.

1573
1:17:30 --> 1:17:33
I 100%, I understand that.

1574
1:17:33 --> 1:17:35
But then stand behind and support somebody

1575
1:17:35 --> 1:17:37
who is willing to be on the front lines.

1576
1:17:37 --> 1:17:39
Somebody who is willing to risk their reputation.

1577
1:17:39 --> 1:17:41
Somebody that is willing to stand up

1578
1:17:41 --> 1:17:44
and lose a lot in the face of doing what's right.

1579
1:17:44 --> 1:17:47
You know, make a donation.

1580
1:17:47 --> 1:17:49
I mean, if nothing else, make a donation.

1581
1:17:49 --> 1:17:52
And no donation is too small because again,

1582
1:17:52 --> 1:17:53
I'm doing this for free.

1583
1:17:53 --> 1:17:57
So, you know, we have a donate button

1584
1:17:57 --> 1:18:01
on unitingnys.com slash lawsuit.

1585
1:18:01 --> 1:18:05
And you know, people can donate or back somebody

1586
1:18:05 --> 1:18:08
who's running for office, who's willing to make a change,

1587
1:18:08 --> 1:18:11
who's willing to stand up for the people,

1588
1:18:11 --> 1:18:14
volunteer on their campaign or help promote them,

1589
1:18:14 --> 1:18:16
go on social media and just promote them.

1590
1:18:16 --> 1:18:17
You know, there are a thousand things

1591
1:18:17 --> 1:18:20
that people can do to help and still stay behind the lines.

1592
1:18:20 --> 1:18:22
You know, still stay behind the scenes

1593
1:18:23 --> 1:18:26
if they are, you know, not excited about

1594
1:18:26 --> 1:18:27
or uncomfortable with being on the front line.

1595
1:18:27 --> 1:18:31
So, you know, I applaud everybody on this call

1596
1:18:31 --> 1:18:34
for standing up and stepping out and speaking up.

1597
1:18:34 --> 1:18:38
And I think if people have connections

1598
1:18:38 --> 1:18:41
that can help me get the word out,

1599
1:18:41 --> 1:18:43
the bigger the platform, the better,

1600
1:18:43 --> 1:18:46
but I am happy to go on smaller platforms too.

1601
1:18:46 --> 1:18:48
It's just the word has to come out.

1602
1:18:48 --> 1:18:51
Bobby Anne, there's a lot of links in the chat

1603
1:18:51 --> 1:18:53
that you will find useful now.

1604
1:18:54 --> 1:18:58
Hernan and Laurie and Tom, by the way,

1605
1:18:58 --> 1:19:01
Tom, your words keep ringing in my ears.

1606
1:19:01 --> 1:19:05
Take on your civic duties, which is what Bobby Anne is saying.

1607
1:19:05 --> 1:19:08
You can take on your civic duties by supporting people.

1608
1:19:08 --> 1:19:10
You don't have to be on the front line.

1609
1:19:10 --> 1:19:13
Take on your civic duties, take on your sovereignty.

1610
1:19:13 --> 1:19:16
So Glenn asked a specific question,

1611
1:19:16 --> 1:19:19
bringing to our attention this first amendment issue.

1612
1:19:19 --> 1:19:22
Hernan or Laurie, do I have anything to say?

1613
1:19:24 --> 1:19:26
Well, we did have Sheriff Mack.

1614
1:19:26 --> 1:19:28
I don't know if you're familiar with him, Glenn,

1615
1:19:28 --> 1:19:33
but Sheriff Mack just had a press conference last week

1616
1:19:33 --> 1:19:34
with sheriffs that he's been working

1617
1:19:34 --> 1:19:36
with constitutional sheriffs

1618
1:19:36 --> 1:19:39
to fight the election integrity issue.

1619
1:19:39 --> 1:19:42
And so we've joined with him to try to fight

1620
1:19:42 --> 1:19:44
this exact issue that Bobby Anne.

1621
1:19:44 --> 1:19:46
So this is just a complete God thing.

1622
1:19:46 --> 1:19:49
And I thank you, Dr. Brinkley

1623
1:19:49 --> 1:19:52
for inviting me to the call and Stephen for welcoming it

1624
1:19:52 --> 1:19:54
to all of the people on our team,

1625
1:19:54 --> 1:19:57
because Nick Catarano, who's on this call,

1626
1:19:57 --> 1:20:01
he is the one who filed the case against Disney.

1627
1:20:01 --> 1:20:03
Okay, I mean, we've got people on here.

1628
1:20:03 --> 1:20:08
He has tremendous media contacts that can help.

1629
1:20:08 --> 1:20:11
And I mean, I'm stunned that I didn't know about this.

1630
1:20:11 --> 1:20:15
I mean, we've been really working to try to,

1631
1:20:15 --> 1:20:17
you know, see what we could do to get the Santas

1632
1:20:17 --> 1:20:19
to repeal the quarantine act.

1633
1:20:19 --> 1:20:21
And here we have Bobby Anne, thank you so much, you know,

1634
1:20:21 --> 1:20:22
for doing what you're doing,

1635
1:20:22 --> 1:20:23
because we're gonna jump on it.

1636
1:20:23 --> 1:20:27
I mean, that's one thing here in Florida, we are workers.

1637
1:20:27 --> 1:20:30
And I mean, I spend more time volunteering than my real job.

1638
1:20:30 --> 1:20:34
I mean, my family, you know, is like you're saying,

1639
1:20:34 --> 1:20:35
you know, we need to make money,

1640
1:20:35 --> 1:20:39
but God is calling us to do this and we are doing it

1641
1:20:39 --> 1:20:42
and we are working and we're just using every contact we can.

1642
1:20:42 --> 1:20:44
I mean, this is God's day, Sunday,

1643
1:20:44 --> 1:20:48
and it's turning out to be like the busiest day

1644
1:20:48 --> 1:20:51
I always work, you know, it's amazing

1645
1:20:51 --> 1:20:53
because he just keeps putting these people together.

1646
1:20:53 --> 1:20:55
So we were brought together for this.

1647
1:20:55 --> 1:20:58
And I know, I mean, Bobby Anne, Ralph Larego

1648
1:20:58 --> 1:21:02
and Beth Peralato are both in New York.

1649
1:21:02 --> 1:21:06
Beth Peralato has her own law form.

1650
1:21:06 --> 1:21:08
She was gonna work with Alliance Defending Freedom.

1651
1:21:08 --> 1:21:11
So we've got to get you connected with them.

1652
1:21:11 --> 1:21:14
And I know Nick, if you wanna jump on Nick real quick

1653
1:21:14 --> 1:21:16
and just tell her what, you know,

1654
1:21:16 --> 1:21:17
how you can get her with the media

1655
1:21:17 --> 1:21:20
because we definitely need to get this out there.

1656
1:21:20 --> 1:21:23
It's like you said, who would not want to know

1657
1:21:23 --> 1:21:26
that they are very close to being locked up?

1658
1:21:26 --> 1:21:28
I mean, we have a FEMA camp, it's in Miami.

1659
1:21:28 --> 1:21:30
It's ready to go, you know?

1660
1:21:30 --> 1:21:32
I mean, people don't even know this.

1661
1:21:32 --> 1:21:33
So go ahead, Nick.

1662
1:21:35 --> 1:21:36
I was gonna say, Bobby Anne,

1663
1:21:36 --> 1:21:37
well, we had a really hard time

1664
1:21:37 --> 1:21:39
when we were bringing a lawsuit against Disney

1665
1:21:39 --> 1:21:41
and we did it twice.

1666
1:21:42 --> 1:21:46
The media here locally covered it very unsubstantially.

1667
1:21:46 --> 1:21:50
You know, they gave us like a five second news clip

1668
1:21:50 --> 1:21:54
or sound bite, but we had Undercover DC.

1669
1:21:54 --> 1:21:55
I have a contact over there.

1670
1:21:55 --> 1:21:57
I think that could pick it up.

1671
1:21:57 --> 1:21:59
I saw there was a Stu Peters video.

1672
1:21:59 --> 1:22:01
She attached one of the videos,

1673
1:22:01 --> 1:22:02
one of the interviews I did,

1674
1:22:02 --> 1:22:05
and it helped get a lot of traction.

1675
1:22:05 --> 1:22:07
And from there, Epic Times is somebody

1676
1:22:07 --> 1:22:08
we work with quite a bit.

1677
1:22:08 --> 1:22:10
And if Epic Times picks it up,

1678
1:22:11 --> 1:22:12
it will spread around the nation.

1679
1:22:12 --> 1:22:14
They really have good coverage.

1680
1:22:14 --> 1:22:16
They have really good readership.

1681
1:22:16 --> 1:22:18
And from there, the AP picked it up.

1682
1:22:18 --> 1:22:22
Once the AP picked it up, everybody came calling.

1683
1:22:22 --> 1:22:26
So I think I would recommend it

1684
1:22:26 --> 1:22:28
and maybe Lori get her contact

1685
1:22:28 --> 1:22:32
and let's put her in touch with our contacts at Epic Times.

1686
1:22:32 --> 1:22:34
And let's see if we can get that story told.

1687
1:22:34 --> 1:22:38
I just sent your information over to somebody I know

1688
1:22:38 --> 1:22:40
that does press, works with Clay Clark,

1689
1:22:40 --> 1:22:43
works with all those people in the background.

1690
1:22:43 --> 1:22:47
So I'll see what she'll have to say when she responds,

1691
1:22:47 --> 1:22:50
but we'll work on helping you get a little bit of traction.

1692
1:22:50 --> 1:22:53
Mel Kay, I don't know if you've talked with Mel Kay.

1693
1:22:53 --> 1:22:55
I could put you in contact with her show.

1694
1:22:55 --> 1:22:59
She definitely has quite an audience that picks up traction.

1695
1:22:59 --> 1:23:01
There's a lot of the smaller stuff,

1696
1:23:01 --> 1:23:02
but I think you've got to grind it out.

1697
1:23:02 --> 1:23:06
And Epic Times is one of those things that crosses

1698
1:23:06 --> 1:23:10
right in between those conservative smaller papers,

1699
1:23:10 --> 1:23:12
but it also crosses into the mainstream

1700
1:23:12 --> 1:23:15
and that will give you a launch pad.

1701
1:23:17 --> 1:23:17
Excellent.

1702
1:23:17 --> 1:23:22
Kudos to Bobby and it's hard these days to get AGs

1703
1:23:22 --> 1:23:24
to engage, but you went the extra steps

1704
1:23:24 --> 1:23:27
and got your legislature to join into your suit.

1705
1:23:27 --> 1:23:30
And I think that probably gave you a lot of clout.

1706
1:23:32 --> 1:23:35
Yeah, Nick, well done on your work.

1707
1:23:35 --> 1:23:38
And Nick, your steps, how you articulated

1708
1:23:38 --> 1:23:41
how it was difficult to get publicity initially,

1709
1:23:41 --> 1:23:42
that's well put.

1710
1:23:42 --> 1:23:45
And Bobby Anne, as Stephen said,

1711
1:23:45 --> 1:23:46
there's a lot of people here who can help you,

1712
1:23:46 --> 1:23:49
who are willing to get the message out.

1713
1:23:49 --> 1:23:52
And you know, Laurie, the fact that I didn't know this case

1714
1:23:52 --> 1:23:53
and Laurie, you didn't know the case.

1715
1:23:53 --> 1:23:55
So this has been fantastic.

1716
1:23:55 --> 1:23:57
Tom, do you want to say anything or her none?

1717
1:23:57 --> 1:23:59
And just everybody grievances,

1718
1:23:59 --> 1:24:02
grievances, petitions for grievances.

1719
1:24:03 --> 1:24:06
Just keep with that in the back of your mind,

1720
1:24:06 --> 1:24:07
because that's the issue that Glenn has raised,

1721
1:24:07 --> 1:24:12
a very interesting one, that if you are entitled

1722
1:24:12 --> 1:24:15
to stand up in public and ask for support

1723
1:24:15 --> 1:24:19
for petition against grievances and what the solution is.

1724
1:24:19 --> 1:24:21
So her none, anybody?

1725
1:24:21 --> 1:24:23
Otherwise we'll go to Anna.

1726
1:24:23 --> 1:24:25
Yeah, I'll make one last plug here.

1727
1:24:25 --> 1:24:28
And if I could then defer to Tom Alterick,

1728
1:24:28 --> 1:24:32
he's more well-spoken and he outranks me anyway.

1729
1:24:33 --> 1:24:37
Our lawyers are our frontline warriors.

1730
1:24:39 --> 1:24:42
However, we need to supply our frontline warriors,

1731
1:24:42 --> 1:24:46
the lawyers, with the proper legal framework

1732
1:24:46 --> 1:24:49
by which they can win these wars.

1733
1:24:49 --> 1:24:51
And like it's already been identified,

1734
1:24:51 --> 1:24:54
the laws in each state are very different.

1735
1:24:54 --> 1:24:57
In Florida, despite having a very good governor,

1736
1:24:57 --> 1:25:00
unfortunately his staff maybe did not read

1737
1:25:00 --> 1:25:03
or purposely did not allow him to read

1738
1:25:03 --> 1:25:06
the complete contents of current legislation.

1739
1:25:06 --> 1:25:08
So what's happening here is strictly a political battle.

1740
1:25:08 --> 1:25:09
And that's where I think, again,

1741
1:25:09 --> 1:25:13
we need to focus our efforts on changing all the laws

1742
1:25:13 --> 1:25:15
at the state and federal level,

1743
1:25:15 --> 1:25:17
because our grand objective needs to be

1744
1:25:17 --> 1:25:20
to constrain government and corporations.

1745
1:25:21 --> 1:25:23
Again, medicalfreedomact.org,

1746
1:25:23 --> 1:25:26
it's a concept, not an organization.

1747
1:25:26 --> 1:25:28
I hope that all your organizations

1748
1:25:28 --> 1:25:32
can adopt Medical Freedom Act as a concept

1749
1:25:32 --> 1:25:37
that you can all tactically implement with all your members.

1750
1:25:37 --> 1:25:38
Tom Alterick.

1751
1:25:38 --> 1:25:39
Thank you.

1752
1:25:39 --> 1:25:40
Thank you, Charles.

1753
1:25:40 --> 1:25:41
I'll make it quick.

1754
1:25:41 --> 1:25:43
I don't mean to take up all the time.

1755
1:25:44 --> 1:25:46
What's gotten us into this trouble

1756
1:25:46 --> 1:25:48
is that the constituents have forgotten

1757
1:25:48 --> 1:25:50
about their civic duty.

1758
1:25:50 --> 1:25:53
Here in this country, our constitution in the US

1759
1:25:53 --> 1:25:57
was built on self-governance and civic duty.

1760
1:25:58 --> 1:25:59
And I'll be the first to admit,

1761
1:25:59 --> 1:26:02
I should have been doing this activism 15 years ago,

1762
1:26:02 --> 1:26:03
not a year ago.

1763
1:26:05 --> 1:26:10
Lack of constituent engagement in any country,

1764
1:26:11 --> 1:26:14
lack of involvement with your making your laws

1765
1:26:14 --> 1:26:16
is what's dug us into this hole.

1766
1:26:18 --> 1:26:21
People like Bobbie Ann can't keep fighting this stuff

1767
1:26:21 --> 1:26:22
in courts.

1768
1:26:22 --> 1:26:24
She said it herself.

1769
1:26:24 --> 1:26:26
The federal government, the state government,

1770
1:26:26 --> 1:26:28
a lot of times they just print money

1771
1:26:28 --> 1:26:32
and they can litigate you to death.

1772
1:26:32 --> 1:26:33
They don't have to be right.

1773
1:26:33 --> 1:26:36
They'll bury you in evidence

1774
1:26:36 --> 1:26:38
and they can litigate you on and on and on.

1775
1:26:38 --> 1:26:42
The fact that Bobbie Ann got this done is miraculous,

1776
1:26:42 --> 1:26:45
especially in New York state.

1777
1:26:45 --> 1:26:47
And so they're gonna come after her.

1778
1:26:47 --> 1:26:50
So the key here for everybody, I believe,

1779
1:26:50 --> 1:26:52
don't miss this takeaway.

1780
1:26:52 --> 1:26:56
Medicalfreedomact.org provides framework,

1781
1:26:56 --> 1:26:58
but people like Bobbie Ann and the doctors

1782
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who are the two primary counter-attack,

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we're counter-attacking legally,

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we're counter-attacking medically,

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but the constituents have to come up the middle

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and the constituents have to be present.

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We have to be there talking to our legislators

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saying this will not stand.

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It will not go any further.

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So if the constituents in your country

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or your state or your province

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are not willing to involve themselves in some way,

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write the check, make a donation,

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go talk to your legislator, something,

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if you're not willing to fulfill your civic duty

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of where you live, then you are a waste of oxygen

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because the World Health Organization,

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Klaus Schwab, George Soros, Bill Gates,

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they're coming after us and they're just getting started.

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That's all I'll say.

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I would love to hear from Tom Bogart.

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Thank you, thank you, Tom.

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Okay, Anna, next.

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Oh, so there's another Tom on the call, Tom Bogart.

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Yeah, so I got that.

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Anna's had her hand up and then we'll go to Tom Bogart.

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Hi.

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First of all, Bobby, and thank you so much.

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I really, really appreciate the work you're doing.

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Is that okay?

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I think it could.

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Take your video off for the moment.

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Yeah, it might be.

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I might have to turn off my video.

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I'll turn off my video.

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Yeah.

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Hi, Bobby.

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Yeah, so first of all, I'm a senior UK citizen

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So first of all, I'm a senior UK solicitor.

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I'm also a retired army officer.

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So first of all, I wanted to say,

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I totally think Tom is saying, Tom Alterick, right?

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But in the UK, and I'm assuming it's the same in America,

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it's higher than a civic duty because if you omit to act,

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then you are on the face of it,

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aiding and abetting complicit in the crimes

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that are happening.

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So it's not simply a duty.

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You are literally exposing yourself

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to personal criminal civil liability

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by failing to take any action.

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And it's a point I make to people

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and they're astonished by that.

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So I'd like to make that for everyone here.

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But the question I have for you, Bobby Anne,

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is are you a military person?

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Do you have a military background?

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No, I do not.

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1:29:32 --> 1:29:33
No?

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1:29:33 --> 1:29:34
No.

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Me, I don't know.

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No, okay, because have you yourself read

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the Geneva Conventions or the Neuremberg?

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You're breaking up a bit there.

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You asked if I've read.

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So what she said, Bobby Anne, she said,

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have you read the Neuremberg conventions and,

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sorry, the Neuremberg Code and the Geneva Conventions?

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1:29:59 --> 1:30:00
That was the question.

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Yeah.

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No, the Neuremberg Conventions.

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The Neuremberg Judgment.

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Sorry, Neuremberg Judgment, sorry.

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But no, I'm not familiar with the documents

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that you're referring to,

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although I am familiar with the Neuremberg Code.

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Anne?

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Okay, the reason I are not, yeah, yeah.

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The reason I ask is this.

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I have not met a single lawyer or spoken to a single lawyer

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who has actually read the Geneva Conventions,

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nor have I met one who's read the Neuremberg Judgments.

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Now, that legal framework is precisely what is occurring

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what needs to be applied in this situation

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if we are all agreed that we are indeed at war,

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which we are, and that this is bio warfare

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and other means and methods of warfare

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that are being deployed upon them.

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Now, the analysis from experts around the world

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is that we are indeed at war

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and that there are various means and methods

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and weapons being deployed against.

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And therefore, everybody needs to be reading

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the Geneva Conventions and reading the judgments

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because they all make it abundantly clear

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that any kind of men, any kind of isolating people,

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quarantine, et cetera, is a prohibited act

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of unlawful warfare.

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And it amounts to a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions.

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And that invokes the right to self-defense,

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which poses a breach of the peace

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and a national security threat, right?

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So when Tom says that we've got the legal profession

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and the medical profession and the citizens,

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we've also got the military

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because the UK Ministry of Defense manual

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on the law of armed conflict specifically says

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that's the UK's understanding and interpretation

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of the law of armed conflict.

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Specifically states in chapter seven, paragraph seven five,

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that medical interventions and treatments

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must be given with informed consent freely given.

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And if you fail to do that,

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you've committed a prohibited act of unlawful warfare.

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Now, what I despair about

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is that there are all these lawyers around the world

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and yet they're applying a legal framework

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within the law of armed conflict

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when we're all saying we're at war.

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So first of all, I'm astounded,

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but secondly, I'm appealing to everyone.

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Please read those material.

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You cannot understand what's going on.

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Also, Anna, I think you would agree with me

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that the Nuremberg judgment

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is about events which took place in the second world war.

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And at the time,

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human medical experimentation was taking place.

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And that's exactly what's taking place now.

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So the whole, all the masks, the-

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Exactly that's-

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Yes, all the measures in inverted commas,

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that's human medical experimentation.

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If you don't read the Nuremberg judgments,

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then you do not understand the nature

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of human medical experimentation

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in times of a medico-political alliance.

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And that's what we've got now.

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So I cannot, I agree with you, Anna,

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it's very important because you've jogged me to realize,

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again, I used to say this about three months ago

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and I've forgotten,

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but this is really important to understand.

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If you don't understand

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that this is human medical experimentation,

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which is expressly forbidden by the Nuremberg code,

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is not just informed consent,

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it's all the rest, animal trials, there are 10 points there.

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And all the lawyers should know about the Nuremberg code,

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but they should also read the judgment,

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the Nuremberg judgment and the Geneva conventions.

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I agree with you, Anna.

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Anna, okay.

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So if I could just-

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I'll be in.

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Yeah, so I'll just say real quick that

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that is not applicable to my lawsuit.

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So the reason I won my lawsuit, I'm pretty sure,

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is because I did not bring science into it.

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And so attorneys have to have,

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you have to have a strategy with your lawsuit

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and you can't just throw everything in,

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plus the kitchen sink,

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because it's just not the way to succeed.

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So my strategy was I'm going to sue over

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the legal issues.

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And in my papers, I specifically say

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this lawsuit is not about the science.

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It is not about the effectiveness

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of quarantining individuals

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in order to stop the spread of a disease.

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That is not what I'm asking the court to rule on.

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That is not any part of this lawsuit.

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I want the court to rule on whether or not

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the governor and her department of health

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have the power to issue this regulation,

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yes or no, black and white, that's it.

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Do they have the power or don't they?

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And that's why I won.

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Because when you start to bring in

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all of these other things

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and you want to have 5,000 expert witnesses about science,

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judges, at least not in New York state

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and probably not in this country,

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judges do not want to rule on science

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because they're not scientists, they're not doctors,

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they're not trained for that.

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So they want to rule on law

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and they're going to rule on law most easily

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and most comfortably.

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So it goes back to what I was saying before,

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you have to know what you're dealing with

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and who your audience is.

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So you have to know what the regulation

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or the law is that you're challenging

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and you have to know who your audience is,

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meaning what court are you in,

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so that you can come up with a strategy

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that's going to be a winning strategy.

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So that's one thing I wanted to point out.

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And the other thing I wanted to point out is that

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it's very easy to get lost.

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The attorney general in this case

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was trying to bring the science into it.

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They were trying so badly to bring the science into it.

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They wanted to muddy the waters,

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they wanted to confuse the judge,

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they wanted to bring in things

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and say I was arguing things that I wasn't arguing

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and I had to keep pulling it back on track.

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That's not what I'm talking about.

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That's not what I'm talking about.

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This is what I'm talking about.

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That's not what I'm talking about.

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This is what I'm talking about.

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So you have to,

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I know you're not a group of attorneys.

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I know we have a few attorneys on here,

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but it's a little bit more complex than just saying

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you need to read a certain document

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or a certain set of rules on an international level

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and then go and sue on it

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and think that you're going to win.

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You really have to break it down.

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That's why lawsuits are so time consuming

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and cost so much money

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is because the time it takes to do the research,

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to draft everything and to have a winning case,

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it's an exorbitant amount of time.

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It really is.

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So-

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Okay, sorry.

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Sorry, can I just come back on that

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because presenting science to the court,

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I'm talking about grave breaches

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of the law of armed conflict.

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I'm talking about the prohibited acts

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of unlawful warfare are being committed.

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Nothing to do with science

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and everything to do with the law of armed conflict,

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which must be upheld.

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And from where we're sitting in the US

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is to have declared war on us

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1:37:53 --> 1:37:55
because they're committing prohibited acts

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1:37:55 --> 1:37:58
of unlawful warfare, not only on each other,

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but through their products on us here in the UK.

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Okay?

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So as I'm speaking, my heart's racing

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because I'm very frustrated.

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None of the lawyers seem to recognize

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that these are prohibited acts of unlawful warfare.

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I'm not talking about the science.

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1:38:14 --> 1:38:17
But you are talking about the science

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because as soon as you say that it's unfair

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and it's, wait a minute,

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as soon as you say it is unauthorized acts

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1:38:23 --> 1:38:25
of doing experiments on people,

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1:38:25 --> 1:38:27
this doesn't work, this kills people, this and that,

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1:38:27 --> 1:38:29
you're talking about science

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1:38:29 --> 1:38:32
because now the question has to become a question of fact.

2041
1:38:32 --> 1:38:34
Does this vaccine work?

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1:38:34 --> 1:38:35
Does this do it?

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1:38:35 --> 1:38:35
No, I'm not.

2044
1:38:35 --> 1:38:37
Does the vaccine work?

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1:38:37 --> 1:38:41
It would come into the lawsuit in a scientific manner.

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1:38:42 --> 1:38:43
I'm not.

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1:38:47 --> 1:38:49
You're breaking that balance.

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1:38:49 --> 1:38:50
I'm not, I'm not.

2049
1:38:50 --> 1:38:52
It's a much simpler point.

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You cannot give medical treatment without consent.

2051
1:38:55 --> 1:38:56
Okay, it's a more simple point.

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It's nothing to do with,

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1:38:58 --> 1:39:01
it's you cannot give medical treatment or intervention.

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That is the real act of war.

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There's no debate about it.

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1:39:04 --> 1:39:08
It's whether or not you've given a medical treatment or not.

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1:39:09 --> 1:39:10
True.

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1:39:10 --> 1:39:12
Anna, Anna, Anna, Anna, everybody.

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And you make the point beautifully.

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We're dealing with Bobby Anne's excellent case.

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What you're raising is another case

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1:39:19 --> 1:39:21
and you're raising it to the attention of the people here

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very effectively and we're going fast past time.

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1:39:26 --> 1:39:28
And so it's not that people are ignoring you Anna,

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1:39:28 --> 1:39:32
it's people have taken notes and you've raised it

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1:39:32 --> 1:39:33
and the reminder,

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the Geneva Convention is relevant.

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1:39:35 --> 1:39:37
Those are, there are other situations,

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1:39:37 --> 1:39:39
not Bobby Anne's situation,

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1:39:39 --> 1:39:44
where raising a case before the courts is entirely relevant.

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1:39:44 --> 1:39:45
So you are not being ignored.

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1:39:45 --> 1:39:48
And we've got to get to Tom Bogart

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1:39:48 --> 1:39:51
and Jim and Avery and we've got to finish this call.

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1:39:51 --> 1:39:53
And by the way, after this meeting,

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there was another telegram video chat that happens.

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1:39:57 --> 1:40:01
Tom Rodman has put that link for those who can,

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1:40:01 --> 1:40:04
who wish to continue the conversation.

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1:40:04 --> 1:40:07
So, and I've taken a note of that

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because I think prohibited,

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the words are prohibited acts of unlawful warfare.

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1:40:11 --> 1:40:12
And as I said, Tom Alterick before,

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take on your civic duties,

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1:40:14 --> 1:40:17
support people like Anna in those cases.

2084
1:40:17 --> 1:40:18
Tom Bogart.

2085
1:40:19 --> 1:40:20
Hello, Charles.

2086
1:40:20 --> 1:40:22
And thank you for having me on the call today.

2087
1:40:22 --> 1:40:23
Sorry for spamming the chat earlier.

2088
1:40:23 --> 1:40:26
Anybody interested in understanding what's going on

2089
1:40:26 --> 1:40:30
with the US hospital system and COVID and money

2090
1:40:30 --> 1:40:33
and all that document is posted in the chat

2091
1:40:33 --> 1:40:37
a handful of times, very important information,

2092
1:40:37 --> 1:40:41
highly detailed, no fluff, no slant, all factual data

2093
1:40:41 --> 1:40:44
done by a research team of 30 in Tennessee.

2094
1:40:45 --> 1:40:46
I highly recommend everybody read it.

2095
1:40:46 --> 1:40:48
You can get ahold of the people

2096
1:40:48 --> 1:40:51
who wrote it for the 40 page version,

2097
1:40:51 --> 1:40:54
much more detailed than one I posted as a 15 page.

2098
1:40:56 --> 1:40:58
Bobby Anne, what you're doing is awesome.

2099
1:40:58 --> 1:41:01
And I swear if you went and read my mission statement,

2100
1:41:01 --> 1:41:03
on movefreelyamerica.org right now,

2101
1:41:03 --> 1:41:05
it might as well be exactly what you're saying.

2102
1:41:05 --> 1:41:08
So I applaud you for everything you've done.

2103
1:41:08 --> 1:41:10
The work you're doing is fantastic.

2104
1:41:10 --> 1:41:15
And I work hand in hand with Tom Alterick and Hernan

2105
1:41:15 --> 1:41:18
at Move Freely and we're affecting change

2106
1:41:18 --> 1:41:21
on a legislative level here in the US.

2107
1:41:21 --> 1:41:24
And so I see it in three points and I'll just be brief

2108
1:41:24 --> 1:41:27
because everything's already been said in my opinion.

2109
1:41:28 --> 1:41:30
The litigation and legislation.

2110
1:41:30 --> 1:41:32
And if we lose on both those fronts,

2111
1:41:32 --> 1:41:34
it's not gonna be good for anyone.

2112
1:41:34 --> 1:41:37
Cause if America falls, I think the world's gonna fall

2113
1:41:37 --> 1:41:38
in a thousand years of dark times

2114
1:41:38 --> 1:41:40
cause there's nowhere else to go.

2115
1:41:42 --> 1:41:45
I think everybody should get a copy of Sun Tzu's Art of War.

2116
1:41:45 --> 1:41:47
And I think that's exactly what Bobby's doing

2117
1:41:47 --> 1:41:52
in her strategy is the enemy is dragging us

2118
1:41:52 --> 1:41:55
onto their battlefield by having us down here

2119
1:41:55 --> 1:41:57
in the trenches arguing about the science, the science.

2120
1:41:57 --> 1:41:59
You're not gonna win that information warfare

2121
1:41:59 --> 1:42:03
because the US media and the global media on hand

2122
1:42:03 --> 1:42:07
is bought and paid for, all propagandists in my opinion.

2123
1:42:07 --> 1:42:11
So we have to figure out, we have to strategize better ways

2124
1:42:11 --> 1:42:16
to circumvent them and not allow them to bring us

2125
1:42:16 --> 1:42:17
onto their battlefield.

2126
1:42:17 --> 1:42:19
So what we're doing and just like Tom said,

2127
1:42:19 --> 1:42:21
and I couldn't say any better myself,

2128
1:42:21 --> 1:42:24
you got legislative, you got litigation

2129
1:42:24 --> 1:42:27
and we need to get people off their asses

2130
1:42:27 --> 1:42:30
and get them to work in the United States

2131
1:42:30 --> 1:42:32
to be involved in their civic duty.

2132
1:42:32 --> 1:42:34
And we push that it's intermission statements

2133
1:42:34 --> 1:42:36
in the words on our website.

2134
1:42:36 --> 1:42:39
We provide a constitutional foundations course

2135
1:42:39 --> 1:42:43
to remind adults of what their civic duty is.

2136
1:42:43 --> 1:42:45
And we need to hammer that home.

2137
1:42:45 --> 1:42:46
And the one last point I'll make

2138
1:42:46 --> 1:42:50
and spread this among your families, freedom is not free.

2139
1:42:51 --> 1:42:53
I'm a single father of three,

2140
1:42:53 --> 1:42:56
an airline pilot for a major airline in the United States.

2141
1:42:56 --> 1:42:59
I am willing to lose my life.

2142
1:42:59 --> 1:43:02
And I do not say that lightly because I have kids.

2143
1:43:02 --> 1:43:04
I'm willing to lose my career.

2144
1:43:04 --> 1:43:07
I'm willing to lose my life to protect the freedoms

2145
1:43:07 --> 1:43:10
that we have as Americans and therefore the world

2146
1:43:10 --> 1:43:12
because this is it.

2147
1:43:12 --> 1:43:15
If America falls, the whole world goes under.

2148
1:43:15 --> 1:43:19
And I don't say that in America grandiose kind of way.

2149
1:43:19 --> 1:43:20
That's just a long and short of it.

2150
1:43:20 --> 1:43:22
America isn't free.

2151
1:43:22 --> 1:43:25
Internalize what you are willing to sacrifice

2152
1:43:25 --> 1:43:27
and make that right in your heads

2153
1:43:27 --> 1:43:29
because it's not gonna get any easier.

2154
1:43:29 --> 1:43:31
And Tom and Bobby and Hernan said everything else

2155
1:43:31 --> 1:43:33
I could have said, thank you for your time.

2156
1:43:34 --> 1:43:36
Beautifully, beautifully said.

2157
1:43:36 --> 1:43:37
Thank you, Tom.

2158
1:43:37 --> 1:43:40
And Bobby Kennedy, Tom, I said in December, everybody,

2159
1:43:40 --> 1:43:42
for those of you who are on the call,

2160
1:43:42 --> 1:43:44
on what hill are you willing to die?

2161
1:43:46 --> 1:43:48
So Tom beautifully said,

2162
1:43:48 --> 1:43:52
so is your group, what was it called?

2163
1:43:52 --> 1:43:54
Freely, have you put that link?

2164
1:43:54 --> 1:43:56
You put the link in the chat, haven't you?

2165
1:43:56 --> 1:44:00
Sure, I'll put in there again, movefreelyamerica.org.

2166
1:44:00 --> 1:44:01
Beautiful, thank you.

2167
1:44:01 --> 1:44:05
Movefreelyamerica.org, everybody.

2168
1:44:05 --> 1:44:05
And it's wonderful.

2169
1:44:05 --> 1:44:07
There are so many organizations

2170
1:44:07 --> 1:44:11
and I think it's important to understand to not despair.

2171
1:44:11 --> 1:44:12
We've talked about this previously

2172
1:44:12 --> 1:44:15
that I haven't heard of movefreelyamerica.org.

2173
1:44:15 --> 1:44:18
I know many of many organizations,

2174
1:44:18 --> 1:44:20
that's the value of this conversation.

2175
1:44:20 --> 1:44:22
And then suddenly Bobby, and you get exposed

2176
1:44:22 --> 1:44:24
to a whole bunch of other groups

2177
1:44:24 --> 1:44:25
that have amazing connections.

2178
1:44:27 --> 1:44:29
And we are marshaling our resources

2179
1:44:29 --> 1:44:33
against a plan that's been going for decades

2180
1:44:33 --> 1:44:34
and we're pushing back.

2181
1:44:34 --> 1:44:37
And there's no doubt, there's no doubt

2182
1:44:37 --> 1:44:39
that it's only the people that will win this fight,

2183
1:44:39 --> 1:44:42
not replacing politicians with politicians.

2184
1:44:42 --> 1:44:44
All right, we're getting tight for time.

2185
1:44:44 --> 1:44:46
We'll go to Jim and Avery, thank you, Tom.

2186
1:44:51 --> 1:44:52
Thank you.

2187
1:44:53 --> 1:44:54
Can you hear me here?

2188
1:44:54 --> 1:44:55
Yes, thanks very much.

2189
1:44:55 --> 1:44:57
We really appreciate your input.

2190
1:44:57 --> 1:44:59
Bobby, what a great job you've done.

2191
1:45:01 --> 1:45:05
Attorneys sharing resources, this is very important.

2192
1:45:05 --> 1:45:08
What is your methodology of sharing your discovery

2193
1:45:08 --> 1:45:09
that you've got?

2194
1:45:09 --> 1:45:14
Sharing your, sharing what you've learned

2195
1:45:14 --> 1:45:16
with the other attorneys and with the physicians

2196
1:45:16 --> 1:45:20
and with the people who can use your documents.

2197
1:45:22 --> 1:45:27
We understand that this is an intelligence controlled media

2198
1:45:29 --> 1:45:32
hospitals, Department of Defense.

2199
1:45:32 --> 1:45:34
We know that this is a big war.

2200
1:45:34 --> 1:45:36
Where do we, how do we share the documents?

2201
1:45:36 --> 1:45:38
And then the next question is,

2202
1:45:38 --> 1:45:41
how do we focus on discovery?

2203
1:45:41 --> 1:45:44
Each one, there are many lawyers like you, Tom Renz,

2204
1:45:44 --> 1:45:47
that are running various lawsuits.

2205
1:45:47 --> 1:45:48
How do you focus discover?

2206
1:45:49 --> 1:45:50
Okay, so.

2207
1:45:51 --> 1:45:53
Sorry about that.

2208
1:45:53 --> 1:45:56
How do you focus your, or how do you share discovery

2209
1:45:56 --> 1:45:58
and how do you get the right questions to ask,

2210
1:45:58 --> 1:46:00
especially of the Intelligence Community,

2211
1:46:00 --> 1:46:02
Department of Defense and the lawyers

2212
1:46:02 --> 1:46:04
who seem to be colluding and the hospitals?

2213
1:46:04 --> 1:46:05
Thank you.

2214
1:46:06 --> 1:46:10
Yeah, so those are great questions, Jim.

2215
1:46:10 --> 1:46:15
So it is, it would be fantastic to have attorneys

2216
1:46:16 --> 1:46:20
in different lawsuits and in different states

2217
1:46:20 --> 1:46:23
or even in the same state to share information

2218
1:46:23 --> 1:46:26
and work together in that manner.

2219
1:46:26 --> 1:46:30
It is extremely difficult as Mary Holland

2220
1:46:30 --> 1:46:32
from Children's Health Defense says,

2221
1:46:32 --> 1:46:33
she's the president there.

2222
1:46:33 --> 1:46:36
She's also an attorney, trying to get attorneys

2223
1:46:36 --> 1:46:39
to work together and get something done

2224
1:46:39 --> 1:46:43
unless they're in the same law firm, it's like herding cats.

2225
1:46:43 --> 1:46:46
So it is, it's very difficult.

2226
1:46:46 --> 1:46:48
I have reached out to other attorneys

2227
1:46:49 --> 1:46:54
in the, I call it constitutional freedom movement.

2228
1:46:54 --> 1:46:59
And nobody was interested in going on this case with me.

2229
1:47:00 --> 1:47:05
Again, some didn't wanna work for free.

2230
1:47:05 --> 1:47:09
Some did not see my vision of a pathway to success.

2231
1:47:10 --> 1:47:14
Some thought you had to wait until New Yorkers

2232
1:47:14 --> 1:47:19
were being thrown into quarantine camps against their will

2233
1:47:20 --> 1:47:23
before they thought you could have a cause of action

2234
1:47:23 --> 1:47:25
and have standing to bring the lawsuit.

2235
1:47:25 --> 1:47:28
But I took a very unique approach

2236
1:47:28 --> 1:47:30
and I argued separation of powers,

2237
1:47:30 --> 1:47:33
which is very unique and different

2238
1:47:33 --> 1:47:37
in that I had actual New York state legislators,

2239
1:47:37 --> 1:47:40
the lawmakers themselves on my lawsuit as petitioners.

2240
1:47:41 --> 1:47:45
And so it was a very unique approach and it worked

2241
1:47:45 --> 1:47:47
and we won in New York state, right?

2242
1:47:47 --> 1:47:52
So I am happy to corroborate with other attorneys,

2243
1:47:52 --> 1:47:57
but I have tried and it has not been successful.

2244
1:47:58 --> 1:48:01
Hence my taking this case on by myself

2245
1:48:02 --> 1:48:07
and attorney Tom Marcel who did come on

2246
1:48:07 --> 1:48:09
and help me pro bono also,

2247
1:48:09 --> 1:48:12
donated all his time and resources to help me go

2248
1:48:12 --> 1:48:14
from federal court back to state court.

2249
1:48:16 --> 1:48:20
It was really just, he's a terrific attorney.

2250
1:48:20 --> 1:48:23
He's also a terrific person that he would donate his time.

2251
1:48:23 --> 1:48:24
I mean, for a solid week,

2252
1:48:24 --> 1:48:26
that's all he and I worked on together

2253
1:48:26 --> 1:48:31
was that one target goal and we were ultimately successful.

2254
1:48:31 --> 1:48:32
But yeah, I mean, this lawsuit,

2255
1:48:32 --> 1:48:34
especially because I'm doing it by myself

2256
1:48:34 --> 1:48:36
has taken up all my time.

2257
1:48:36 --> 1:48:41
I just, I don't have time to tend to other paying clients

2258
1:48:41 --> 1:48:43
or other matters.

2259
1:48:43 --> 1:48:46
So it is a tremendous undertaking

2260
1:48:46 --> 1:48:49
and I think just other attorneys were not interested

2261
1:48:49 --> 1:48:51
in putting in that much time and effort and energy

2262
1:48:51 --> 1:48:52
and not getting paid for it.

2263
1:48:52 --> 1:48:54
So that's all I can think of.

2264
1:48:54 --> 1:48:58
But like I said, I'm happy if there's a group

2265
1:48:58 --> 1:49:03
that wants to get, form a gelling of attorneys,

2266
1:49:03 --> 1:49:06
I am happy to be one of those attorneys

2267
1:49:06 --> 1:49:07
that shares information,

2268
1:49:07 --> 1:49:09
but so far my efforts to do such a thing

2269
1:49:09 --> 1:49:11
have not come to fruition.

2270
1:49:11 --> 1:49:12
Well, more than that are different.

2271
1:49:12 --> 1:49:13
Go beyond Nate.

2272
1:49:13 --> 1:49:14
I'm sorry.

2273
1:49:14 --> 1:49:16
More than that are different than that

2274
1:49:16 --> 1:49:21
is a group that may be willing to provide expert help

2275
1:49:21 --> 1:49:24
on getting withheld information

2276
1:49:24 --> 1:49:27
because when you get withheld information

2277
1:49:27 --> 1:49:30
that's withheld from the other parties and not turned over,

2278
1:49:30 --> 1:49:32
if you can get that,

2279
1:49:32 --> 1:49:34
then you also get your attorney's fees

2280
1:49:34 --> 1:49:36
for getting those withheld documents.

2281
1:49:36 --> 1:49:40
It's the Goodyear versus Hagar case, I believe it is.

2282
1:49:40 --> 1:49:45
Anyway, when you catch the other person in fraud,

2283
1:49:45 --> 1:49:46
when you catch the other person

2284
1:49:46 --> 1:49:48
with lacking candor to the court,

2285
1:49:48 --> 1:49:50
that's when you get your attorney's fees.

2286
1:49:50 --> 1:49:52
And we may be able to have experts,

2287
1:49:52 --> 1:49:55
including physicians and other people

2288
1:49:55 --> 1:49:59
that can build their time to stop these people

2289
1:49:59 --> 1:50:02
from lying and presenting fraud in the courts.

2290
1:50:02 --> 1:50:03
And we may be able to help you with that.

2291
1:50:03 --> 1:50:04
Thank you.

2292
1:50:04 --> 1:50:07
Jim, actually, if you can get in touch with Bobbi Anne,

2293
1:50:07 --> 1:50:10
and please, Bobbi Anne is so busy with this case.

2294
1:50:10 --> 1:50:13
So the request has gone out

2295
1:50:13 --> 1:50:15
and any insights that each of us have,

2296
1:50:15 --> 1:50:18
let's help Bobbi Anne in what she's requested help on.

2297
1:50:18 --> 1:50:20
Jim, good insight there.

2298
1:50:20 --> 1:50:22
Avery, you're last and then back to Stephen

2299
1:50:22 --> 1:50:25
and we'll finish and then we can go to Tom,

2300
1:50:25 --> 1:50:26
the other telegram group

2301
1:50:26 --> 1:50:28
for those who have time to keep talking.

2302
1:50:28 --> 1:50:29
Avery.

2303
1:50:29 --> 1:50:31
Two quick things, Bobbi Anne, thank you so much.

2304
1:50:31 --> 1:50:35
I think one real frustration we as physicians have

2305
1:50:35 --> 1:50:39
from a practical standpoint is we get fed lies,

2306
1:50:39 --> 1:50:41
lies being fed to the public,

2307
1:50:41 --> 1:50:44
to the practitioners in medicine.

2308
1:50:44 --> 1:50:45
And it's so frustrating.

2309
1:50:45 --> 1:50:50
And finally, we do have solid data now about the shots.

2310
1:50:51 --> 1:50:54
But the problem is, it's just like with Amy Barrett

2311
1:50:54 --> 1:50:57
at the Supreme Court, with one of the colleges,

2312
1:50:57 --> 1:51:00
there was a lawsuit by students, parents, I think,

2313
1:51:00 --> 1:51:04
to not force these students to be vaccinated.

2314
1:51:04 --> 1:51:06
And Amy Barrett ruled, just basically said,

2315
1:51:06 --> 1:51:08
we're not gonna take the case.

2316
1:51:08 --> 1:51:12
And it had to do in a way with what you've pointed out.

2317
1:51:12 --> 1:51:16
You have to be focused not necessarily on the science,

2318
1:51:16 --> 1:51:17
but on the law.

2319
1:51:17 --> 1:51:20
And you focus very tightly on one part of your law

2320
1:51:20 --> 1:51:23
in the state of New York and you want on that.

2321
1:51:23 --> 1:51:24
And that's what you have to continue to do.

2322
1:51:24 --> 1:51:27
The problem we face though,

2323
1:51:27 --> 1:51:30
is where do you ever make the interconnection

2324
1:51:30 --> 1:51:35
between science and judges who have to make a decision

2325
1:51:35 --> 1:51:39
in a courtroom on whether a patient can be transferred

2326
1:51:39 --> 1:51:42
out of a hospital because they're being mismanaged.

2327
1:51:42 --> 1:51:46
Instead, you get a verdict by a judge in Florida who says,

2328
1:51:46 --> 1:51:49
well, it has to do with the conscience of the hospital.

2329
1:51:49 --> 1:51:52
So we're gonna rule against taking that patient

2330
1:51:52 --> 1:51:55
out of Mayo Clinic in Jacksonville,

2331
1:51:55 --> 1:51:57
which is a case that actually did occur.

2332
1:51:57 --> 1:52:00
So it's so frustrating that the science is difficult

2333
1:52:00 --> 1:52:03
to bring into these, even when we know we're right

2334
1:52:03 --> 1:52:06
and we're costing people's lives.

2335
1:52:06 --> 1:52:08
The last point I wanna make is the Epoch Times

2336
1:52:08 --> 1:52:12
did publish a blurb, you may have seen it on July 11th.

2337
1:52:12 --> 1:52:13
It was a day that says,

2338
1:52:13 --> 1:52:16
New York State sets dangerous precedent

2339
1:52:16 --> 1:52:19
for draconian quarantine regulations.

2340
1:52:19 --> 1:52:21
And it's at the very top of the page,

2341
1:52:21 --> 1:52:24
it says Epoch Times bright.

2342
1:52:24 --> 1:52:25
I'm not sure what bright is.

2343
1:52:25 --> 1:52:29
I think it's a health news,

2344
1:52:29 --> 1:52:34
but it says, quick update uniting NYS and as the link.

2345
1:52:35 --> 1:52:39
And it pleads with New York State citizens

2346
1:52:39 --> 1:52:44
to join the cause to fight against the totalitarianism

2347
1:52:44 --> 1:52:46
of the New York State government,

2348
1:52:46 --> 1:52:48
the governor and the attorney general.

2349
1:52:48 --> 1:52:50
So take a look at that.

2350
1:52:50 --> 1:52:55
I found that on a search with Google or DuckDuckGo actually.

2351
1:52:57 --> 1:53:00
So it's dated July 11th, but just so you know that,

2352
1:53:00 --> 1:53:04
I don't see any other major news outlets on that one page,

2353
1:53:04 --> 1:53:08
but you know the pages in searches a lot of times,

2354
1:53:08 --> 1:53:12
if they come out in some other reputable information source,

2355
1:53:12 --> 1:53:15
they get pushed down to the bottom of another page.

2356
1:53:16 --> 1:53:19
Anyway, thank you for what you've done in New York.

2357
1:53:20 --> 1:53:23
By the way, bright is a streaming TV service.

2358
1:53:24 --> 1:53:27
They have a full program of players,

2359
1:53:27 --> 1:53:30
including Dr. Artist, where they broadcast.

2360
1:53:32 --> 1:53:33
Excellent, thank you, Glenn.

2361
1:53:33 --> 1:53:34
Thank you, Avery.

2362
1:53:36 --> 1:53:38
So Bobby, any comment before we get to Stephen

2363
1:53:38 --> 1:53:40
as our last questions to you,

2364
1:53:40 --> 1:53:42
and then we'll close this meeting.

2365
1:53:43 --> 1:53:48
From what Avery raised, Bobby Ann?

2366
1:53:51 --> 1:53:56
Yeah, so there have been, I mentioned before,

2367
1:53:56 --> 1:54:00
really if you go online and you look for some sort of

2368
1:54:00 --> 1:54:02
information or media about this,

2369
1:54:02 --> 1:54:03
you're not gonna find much.

2370
1:54:03 --> 1:54:05
The New York Post ran something.

2371
1:54:05 --> 1:54:08
Stu Peters had me on his show.

2372
1:54:09 --> 1:54:13
Dr. Shasta Erickson was monumental or instrumental

2373
1:54:13 --> 1:54:17
in getting that connection and having Stu interview me,

2374
1:54:17 --> 1:54:18
and that's helped a lot.

2375
1:54:18 --> 1:54:19
I mean, he has a big audience.

2376
1:54:21 --> 1:54:24
Mel Kay had picked up and interviewed me,

2377
1:54:24 --> 1:54:27
had picked this up maybe a month ago,

2378
1:54:27 --> 1:54:29
and so I reached out to let her know that we won,

2379
1:54:29 --> 1:54:31
so she's gonna try and have me come back on

2380
1:54:31 --> 1:54:32
to do an update.

2381
1:54:32 --> 1:54:36
So there are certain areas where word is getting out,

2382
1:54:36 --> 1:54:38
but it's not nearly as much.

2383
1:54:38 --> 1:54:39
I mean, I was reading the chat before,

2384
1:54:39 --> 1:54:40
and somebody said,

2385
1:54:40 --> 1:54:42
oh, this should be a Tucker Carlson story.

2386
1:54:42 --> 1:54:44
Yeah, it should be a Tucker Carlson story.

2387
1:54:44 --> 1:54:47
It should be also on Newsmax and OAN,

2388
1:54:47 --> 1:54:52
and a host of different Fox contributors or Fox hosts

2389
1:54:54 --> 1:54:56
should be picking this up because this is,

2390
1:54:56 --> 1:54:58
like I said, this is very different

2391
1:54:58 --> 1:55:00
from forcing people to wear masks

2392
1:55:00 --> 1:55:03
or forcing people to stand six feet apart from each other.

2393
1:55:03 --> 1:55:05
So I completely agree with you.

2394
1:55:07 --> 1:55:08
Thank you.

2395
1:55:08 --> 1:55:08
Thank you, Bobbi Anne.

2396
1:55:08 --> 1:55:11
Okay, Stephen, last questions to you.

2397
1:55:14 --> 1:55:18
Well, what you've done, Bobbi Anne, is really great, I think,

2398
1:55:18 --> 1:55:23
and is a lesson to all of us as to what is possible.

2399
1:55:24 --> 1:55:28
I would be interested, did you think you could win it?

2400
1:55:30 --> 1:55:35
So I have to say, my New York State legislators

2401
1:55:35 --> 1:55:37
who came on the lawsuit, Senator Borrello,

2402
1:55:37 --> 1:55:40
Assemblyman Teague, Assemblyman Lawler,

2403
1:55:41 --> 1:55:43
and the ones that wrote the amicus brief,

2404
1:55:43 --> 1:55:47
particularly Assemblyman Andrew Goodell,

2405
1:55:47 --> 1:55:48
they were quite confident.

2406
1:55:50 --> 1:55:52
Andrew Goodell is also an attorney, as I mentioned earlier.

2407
1:55:52 --> 1:55:55
They were quite confident that I was gonna win

2408
1:55:55 --> 1:55:57
because of the approach that I took,

2409
1:55:58 --> 1:56:02
because of the causes of actions that I raised,

2410
1:56:03 --> 1:56:06
because of the way that I framed the argument.

2411
1:56:06 --> 1:56:10
And it was almost impossible for the judge

2412
1:56:10 --> 1:56:12
to not rule in our favor

2413
1:56:12 --> 1:56:15
because of the way that it was presented

2414
1:56:15 --> 1:56:16
and the arguments that I made.

2415
1:56:16 --> 1:56:19
So that's why I did it that way,

2416
1:56:19 --> 1:56:20
because you have to know your audience.

2417
1:56:20 --> 1:56:22
You must, or you're going to fail.

2418
1:56:24 --> 1:56:26
Or if you win, if you succeed,

2419
1:56:26 --> 1:56:29
it's going to be from the stars aligning properly

2420
1:56:29 --> 1:56:31
and the wind blowing in the right direction.

2421
1:56:31 --> 1:56:35
So the lawsuit was filed in the beginning of April.

2422
1:56:35 --> 1:56:39
I'll just say I was studying and researching

2423
1:56:39 --> 1:56:44
and working on it for a solid three months before that.

2424
1:56:44 --> 1:56:49
So, and when I say working on it, I mean every day, all day.

2425
1:56:49 --> 1:56:51
I put aside everything else to do this

2426
1:56:51 --> 1:56:53
because it was so important.

2427
1:56:53 --> 1:56:54
And there was a timeframe involved

2428
1:56:54 --> 1:56:57
because they've been issuing it as an emergency regulation

2429
1:56:57 --> 1:56:59
since August of 2021.

2430
1:56:59 --> 1:57:03
And they were working to make it a permanent regulation.

2431
1:57:03 --> 1:57:06
So I knew that there was a timeframe

2432
1:57:06 --> 1:57:08
and I knew that I had to beat the clock.

2433
1:57:08 --> 1:57:11
And so I dropped everything and picked this up.

2434
1:57:11 --> 1:57:15
So it's just super important that, you know,

2435
1:57:15 --> 1:57:19
it's an example of, you know, you,

2436
1:57:19 --> 1:57:20
and the other thing is I used to be

2437
1:57:20 --> 1:57:23
with a large international law firm based in New York City,

2438
1:57:23 --> 1:57:26
but, you know, that was 20 years ago.

2439
1:57:26 --> 1:57:29
I mean, now I've had my own law practice for 20 years.

2440
1:57:29 --> 1:57:31
And, you know, it was Davy versus Goliath.

2441
1:57:31 --> 1:57:33
David versus Goliath, you know,

2442
1:57:33 --> 1:57:35
the state has all the resources.

2443
1:57:35 --> 1:57:37
They have all our tax dollars to fight back.

2444
1:57:37 --> 1:57:41
And we won, and we won because we had the right argument

2445
1:57:41 --> 1:57:42
and the right judge.

2446
1:57:42 --> 1:57:47
And it was really a strong sign to not just,

2447
1:57:48 --> 1:57:51
not just the government to stay in your lane

2448
1:57:51 --> 1:57:52
or the executive branch to stay in your lane,

2449
1:57:52 --> 1:57:54
but it's assigned to the legislators,

2450
1:57:54 --> 1:57:56
all the ones who didn't want to get on the lawsuit.

2451
1:57:56 --> 1:58:00
Cause I spoke to many who were in support of the lawsuit

2452
1:58:00 --> 1:58:02
and did not like the quarantine regulation

2453
1:58:02 --> 1:58:02
and thought I was right,

2454
1:58:02 --> 1:58:05
but they didn't want to actually put their name

2455
1:58:05 --> 1:58:09
to the lawsuit and get involved for other reasons.

2456
1:58:09 --> 1:58:10
I bet they wish they did now.

2457
1:58:11 --> 1:58:12
Well, that's what I'm saying.

2458
1:58:12 --> 1:58:15
You know, now, now some of them are like, wow, you know,

2459
1:58:15 --> 1:58:17
reaching out to me, congratulations, it's fabulous.

2460
1:58:17 --> 1:58:19
You know, I should have come on the lawsuit with you,

2461
1:58:19 --> 1:58:22
you know, so, because this is what the voters want.

2462
1:58:23 --> 1:58:25
The politicians want to please the voters

2463
1:58:25 --> 1:58:27
and the voters want politicians who are going to stand up

2464
1:58:27 --> 1:58:32
for their rights and not go along with the machine, right?

2465
1:58:33 --> 1:58:36
Stand up for the people, not the politics.

2466
1:58:36 --> 1:58:40
So yeah, it's really, but it's also, I think, I hope,

2467
1:58:40 --> 1:58:42
it's inspirational to other attorneys

2468
1:58:42 --> 1:58:44
or just other people out there that are like,

2469
1:58:44 --> 1:58:46
well, I'm just one person, you know, I can't do anything.

2470
1:58:46 --> 1:58:47
I can't really make a difference.

2471
1:58:47 --> 1:58:49
You absolutely can make a difference.

2472
1:58:49 --> 1:58:52
You just have to have the determination and the drive.

2473
1:58:52 --> 1:58:54
Which is why, Bobbi, and we need to help you as a group

2474
1:58:54 --> 1:58:58
to get the story better aired, should we say.

2475
1:58:58 --> 1:58:59
Oh, for sure.

2476
1:58:59 --> 1:59:02
I think if other attorneys heard this story,

2477
1:59:02 --> 1:59:03
they would say, you know what?

2478
1:59:03 --> 1:59:05
I'm gonna do something too,

2479
1:59:05 --> 1:59:08
or I'm going to help somebody that's doing something.

2480
1:59:08 --> 1:59:11
You know, I'll just dedicate my weekends, you know,

2481
1:59:11 --> 1:59:12
to helping them or something.

2482
1:59:12 --> 1:59:15
You don't have to do what I did and drop everything

2483
1:59:15 --> 1:59:18
and take this on as, you know, everything that you eat,

2484
1:59:18 --> 1:59:19
breathe and sleep.

2485
1:59:19 --> 1:59:21
You can do it, you know, donate your time in the evening,

2486
1:59:21 --> 1:59:23
donate your time on the weekends.

2487
1:59:23 --> 1:59:26
There's always, always an excuse that you can make

2488
1:59:26 --> 1:59:28
to not do something, right?

2489
1:59:28 --> 1:59:29
There's always something else you can do instead.

2490
1:59:29 --> 1:59:31
Of course there is.

2491
1:59:31 --> 1:59:32
But you know what?

2492
1:59:32 --> 1:59:34
Huh, we are gonna be in big trouble

2493
1:59:34 --> 1:59:36
if other people don't stand up too,

2494
1:59:36 --> 1:59:40
because this is the serious stuff.

2495
1:59:40 --> 1:59:40
Our lives.

2496
1:59:40 --> 1:59:42
This is serious stuff. Our lives are in danger.

2497
1:59:42 --> 1:59:44
All our lives.

2498
1:59:44 --> 1:59:46
And our way of life is in danger too.

2499
1:59:46 --> 1:59:47
Yeah.

2500
1:59:47 --> 1:59:50
All right, Stacey, we're gonna end.

2501
1:59:50 --> 1:59:51
Can I just ask,

2502
1:59:52 --> 1:59:54
are you in touch with Warner Mendenhall?

2503
1:59:56 --> 1:59:57
I'm sorry, I didn't hear that.

2504
1:59:57 --> 1:59:59
He's a lawyer. Warner Mendenhall.

2505
2:00:01 --> 2:00:02
I'm not in touch, no.

2506
2:00:02 --> 2:00:04
Are you in touch with Todd Callender?

2507
2:00:06 --> 2:00:08
Tom, you had introduced us by email,

2508
2:00:08 --> 2:00:10
so I am supposed to be speaking with him this week.

2509
2:00:10 --> 2:00:11
Todd Callender, yeah.

2510
2:00:11 --> 2:00:13
Yes, yes, you introduced us by email.

2511
2:00:13 --> 2:00:15
So I can introduce, okay.

2512
2:00:15 --> 2:00:16
Oh yes, that's right, yes.

2513
2:00:16 --> 2:00:18
Yes, you did.

2514
2:00:18 --> 2:00:20
And Tom Renz as well.

2515
2:00:21 --> 2:00:23
Also, Bobby-Ann, I'm in touch,

2516
2:00:23 --> 2:00:25
bearing in mind what you've just said now,

2517
2:00:25 --> 2:00:27
or about two minutes ago.

2518
2:00:28 --> 2:00:30
I'm in touch with 70 lawyers around the world.

2519
2:00:30 --> 2:00:31
I put them in touch with each other.

2520
2:00:31 --> 2:00:34
I was hoping that they would kind of pick up.

2521
2:00:34 --> 2:00:37
A lot of them were asking me to do it,

2522
2:00:37 --> 2:00:40
and then I did it, connected them all,

2523
2:00:40 --> 2:00:41
and nothing happened.

2524
2:00:41 --> 2:00:43
Or there were a few emails flying around,

2525
2:00:43 --> 2:00:45
and one or two saying that-

2526
2:00:45 --> 2:00:47
Yeah, but you know what it is, Stephen?

2527
2:00:47 --> 2:00:48
And I'm seeing this with other things too,

2528
2:00:48 --> 2:00:50
because the citizens group

2529
2:00:51 --> 2:00:52
that is on this lawsuit, this quarantine lawsuit,

2530
2:00:52 --> 2:00:56
Uniting New York State, fantastic group,

2531
2:00:56 --> 2:00:58
and I've been intimately involved with them

2532
2:00:58 --> 2:00:59
from the very beginning.

2533
2:00:59 --> 2:01:03
But if there's nobody willing to take the lead,

2534
2:01:03 --> 2:01:06
and there's nobody willing to kind of,

2535
2:01:09 --> 2:01:11
I mean, there's no other word but lead.

2536
2:01:11 --> 2:01:12
If there's nobody willing to take the responsibility-

2537
2:01:12 --> 2:01:13
I know, exactly.

2538
2:01:13 --> 2:01:16
And the time and the energy to lead,

2539
2:01:16 --> 2:01:18
then nothing's going to happen.

2540
2:01:19 --> 2:01:20
Exactly.

2541
2:01:20 --> 2:01:23
So in your case, you took the lead in your case.

2542
2:01:23 --> 2:01:28
In my case, I was trying to survive here in North Wales

2543
2:01:28 --> 2:01:30
through these monstrous times,

2544
2:01:30 --> 2:01:34
and something drove me to form a group,

2545
2:01:34 --> 2:01:36
and I just carried on and carried on and carried on.

2546
2:01:36 --> 2:01:38
I didn't know why I was doing it,

2547
2:01:38 --> 2:01:41
but then it became obvious to me, even me in the end,

2548
2:01:41 --> 2:01:42
why I was doing it.

2549
2:01:42 --> 2:01:45
I was kind of putting people in contact with each other,

2550
2:01:45 --> 2:01:48
and you need someone to do that.

2551
2:01:48 --> 2:01:51
But if I hadn't done it, nobody else would have done it.

2552
2:01:52 --> 2:01:53
And it was my idea.

2553
2:01:53 --> 2:01:55
So I thought I should do this

2554
2:01:55 --> 2:01:57
because I don't know where it's going to lead,

2555
2:01:57 --> 2:02:00
but I feel that it's what I need to do.

2556
2:02:00 --> 2:02:03
And I think everybody in this group, I think,

2557
2:02:03 --> 2:02:05
may have those feelings.

2558
2:02:05 --> 2:02:06
They have an idea, and they think,

2559
2:02:06 --> 2:02:09
"'Oh, but it won't work because it's my idea.'"

2560
2:02:09 --> 2:02:10
Do you understand me?

2561
2:02:10 --> 2:02:12
And they don't realize why they're doing it either,

2562
2:02:12 --> 2:02:15
but something is making them do it,

2563
2:02:15 --> 2:02:17
and it becomes obvious afterwards.

2564
2:02:17 --> 2:02:21
And I think maybe you started on your mission,

2565
2:02:21 --> 2:02:22
thinking, well, there's not much chance,

2566
2:02:22 --> 2:02:24
but I've got to do it.

2567
2:02:24 --> 2:02:26
And then eventually you won,

2568
2:02:26 --> 2:02:29
and then you realized why it was so important.

2569
2:02:31 --> 2:02:32
Anyway, brilliant.

2570
2:02:34 --> 2:02:35
The importance is camp.

2571
2:02:35 --> 2:02:37
It really can't be overstated.

2572
2:02:37 --> 2:02:38
It really can't.

2573
2:02:38 --> 2:02:39
I absolutely agree.

2574
2:02:39 --> 2:02:41
And this is so important that we get this word out

2575
2:02:41 --> 2:02:44
because other people need to know, first of all,

2576
2:02:44 --> 2:02:46
that it exists, but second of all,

2577
2:02:46 --> 2:02:47
that you can beat it.

2578
2:02:47 --> 2:02:49
You can beat it.

2579
2:02:49 --> 2:02:51
Also, Bobbi-Ann, there are so few people

2580
2:02:51 --> 2:02:53
who are prepared to take responsibility,

2581
2:02:53 --> 2:02:55
so they have thoughts.

2582
2:02:55 --> 2:02:56
People write to me and say,

2583
2:02:56 --> 2:02:58
"'Shall we do this? Can we do this?'

2584
2:02:58 --> 2:03:00
And I say, well, you've thought of it.

2585
2:03:00 --> 2:03:01
Why don't you try it?

2586
2:03:01 --> 2:03:03
You're probably the best person to do it.

2587
2:03:03 --> 2:03:07
But they've never seen themselves as a leader before.

2588
2:03:07 --> 2:03:07
Do you understand me?

2589
2:03:07 --> 2:03:09
So they don't know themselves,

2590
2:03:09 --> 2:03:10
and they don't...

2591
2:03:10 --> 2:03:14
So a lot of the best people don't understand

2592
2:03:15 --> 2:03:17
that they're clever, for example,

2593
2:03:17 --> 2:03:19
no one's ever encouraged them.

2594
2:03:19 --> 2:03:23
And we've got loads of people in this group,

2595
2:03:23 --> 2:03:25
incredibly bright people,

2596
2:03:25 --> 2:03:27
and it's clear that they don't understand the importance

2597
2:03:27 --> 2:03:29
of what they're talking about.

2598
2:03:30 --> 2:03:31
All right.

2599
2:03:31 --> 2:03:32
All right.

2600
2:03:32 --> 2:03:33
We're gonna go.

2601
2:03:34 --> 2:03:35
So well said, Stephen.

2602
2:03:35 --> 2:03:39
Again, Bobbi-Ann, big round of applause for you.

2603
2:03:39 --> 2:03:40
Great job.

2604
2:03:41 --> 2:03:43
And we're in there.

2605
2:03:43 --> 2:03:44
And you've spread the message.

2606
2:03:44 --> 2:03:48
So we'll be with you again on Tuesday night, everybody.

2607
2:03:48 --> 2:03:50
Stephen will be sending the invitation.

2608
2:03:50 --> 2:03:52
Do you know who the guest is yet, Stephen?

2609
2:03:54 --> 2:03:59
I think it's going to be Alexandra Latipova.

2610
2:03:59 --> 2:04:00
Excellent.

2611
2:04:00 --> 2:04:01
On data.

2612
2:04:01 --> 2:04:02
And then on the...

2613
2:04:02 --> 2:04:07
Well, no, she knows all about how pharmaceutical companies,

2614
2:04:08 --> 2:04:10
what they should have done and how they should have done it.

2615
2:04:10 --> 2:04:12
She works with Craig Particouper as well,

2616
2:04:12 --> 2:04:15
and he's going to speak to us another day.

2617
2:04:15 --> 2:04:18
Yes, and then on Sunday night,

2618
2:04:18 --> 2:04:21
we've got Albert on VAERS and the likes.

2619
2:04:21 --> 2:04:22
Yes, then the VDs, yeah.

2620
2:04:22 --> 2:04:23
So that's what's on, everybody.

2621
2:04:23 --> 2:04:25
Thank you for joining us.

2622
2:04:25 --> 2:04:28
Tom Rodman has put the link in.

2623
2:04:28 --> 2:04:30
Good to see you, Albert and Mark.

2624
2:04:30 --> 2:04:31
Thank you, everybody.

2625
2:04:31 --> 2:04:32
Bobbi-Ann, we're here.

2626
2:04:32 --> 2:04:33
We will do what we can.

2627
2:04:33 --> 2:04:36
Everybody has said that they will.

2628
2:04:36 --> 2:04:37
Save the chat, everybody.

2629
2:04:37 --> 2:04:39
Bobbi-Ann, you as well.

2630
2:04:39 --> 2:04:40
Make sure that you do,

2631
2:04:40 --> 2:04:41
because there's a lot of good links in there

2632
2:04:41 --> 2:04:43
and email addresses.

2633
2:04:43 --> 2:04:44
And please understand, everybody,

2634
2:04:44 --> 2:04:46
the time pressures on Bobbi-Ann,

2635
2:04:46 --> 2:04:47
so we're going to help her.

2636
2:04:47 --> 2:04:50
Stephen, well done for organizing the group,

2637
2:04:50 --> 2:04:54
and we'll be with you in two days' time.

2638
2:04:54 --> 2:04:57
Have a beautiful Sunday night, Monday, everybody.

2639
2:04:57 --> 2:04:58
Thank you.

2640
2:04:58 --> 2:04:59
Thank you.

2641
2:04:59 --> 2:05:00
Thank you so much.

2642
2:05:00 --> 2:05:00
Thank you for having me.

2643
2:05:00 --> 2:05:01
Thank you, Bobbi-Ann.

2644
2:05:01 --> 2:05:02
Great.

2645
2:05:02 --> 2:05:03
Thank you.

2646
2:05:03 --> 2:05:04
Goodbye, everybody.

2647
2:05:04 --> 2:05:05
Thank you.

2648
2:05:05 --> 2:05:06
Thanks, God bless, everyone.

2649
2:05:06 --> 2:05:07
God bless you all.

2650
2:05:12 --> 2:05:14
Charles, can you send me the chance?

2651
2:05:14 --> 2:05:15
Stephen, I will.

2652
2:05:15 --> 2:05:17
And while everybody's exiting,

2653
2:05:17 --> 2:05:19
just while I've got you,

2654
2:05:19 --> 2:05:20
what you need to do,

2655
2:05:20 --> 2:05:24
rather than just clicking on the link for the meeting,

2656
2:05:24 --> 2:05:25
Yes.

2657
2:05:25 --> 2:05:27
Log in, which is what I do.

2658
2:05:27 --> 2:05:29
So log in first,

2659
2:05:29 --> 2:05:32
and then join the meeting from your,

2660
2:05:32 --> 2:05:34
when you're logged in on Zoom, okay?

2661
2:05:34 --> 2:05:37
That way you have full control when you come on.

2662
2:05:37 --> 2:05:39
That's why you didn't have the power to mute,

2663
2:05:39 --> 2:05:41
because you've been clicking on the link.

2664
2:05:42 --> 2:05:43
Log in first, go to your meeting.

2665
2:05:43 --> 2:05:44
That's what I do.

2666
2:05:44 --> 2:05:47
That's why I come on as you.

2667
2:05:48 --> 2:05:49
Thanks.

2668
2:05:49 --> 2:05:50
Thank you, Charles.

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Thanks, everybody.

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Bye then.

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Bye.

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Thank you for the kind feedback.