Yeah, I'm joking obviously.
There you go, we're on it. Okay.
Well hang on, I'll just do a quick intro. Andy, I'll let you, I'll make you a co-host in case you
want to share your screen. Jim Thorpe is here, welcome Jim. Jonathan Engler is here, Jonathan
spoke to us on Monday, on Sunday night. Andy.
Dr Wakefield, it's a pleasure to meet you sir.
Well thank you so much, it's great to be here.
So everybody. Yeah, there are a few British doctors on that tonight
Andrew, so that may give some comfort to you.
Yes, yes indeed. Yeah, in fact I was reading something of yours just the other day Dr Thorpe,
I was just yesterday I think, so very nice to meet you in person or at least virtually.
You're a hero man.
Nick's okay, eh, scheisse man.
Yes, he is a hero, Andy's the great journey you've been on. So everybody let's do the quick
intro, the recording is on and welcome to Medical Doctors for Covid Ethics International. In today's
discussion with Dr Andrew Wakefield, commonly known as Andy Wakefield, this group was founded
by Stephen Frost over two years ago. Stephen decided to stand up against government, he stood up
against government over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty
is radiology. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group on Australasia's passion provocateur,
and my jacket is red because red is the colour of passion. I've practiced law for 20 years before
changing career 30 years ago and over the last 12 years I've helped parents and lawyers to
strategise remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an
industrial hemp company and Andy Wakefield, I've been following you for 12 years since I was woken
up about what's been going on. So it's been a very fascinating journey and you as Jim Thorpe says,
you are indeed a hero. We comprise lots of professions including doctors, lawyers,
homeopaths, journalists, scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers and troublemakers and
we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were okay, now many of us proudly
say yes we are passionate anti-vaxxers as I do and as Judy Mikovits has told us, don't get injected
with anything, she was passionate, do not get injected with anything. So there you are, her words
keep ringing certainly in my ears. If this is your first time here welcome and feel free to
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Just observe that lockstep game of these global cabalists.
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wisdom and insights and thank you Stephen Frost again for creating this group and for organising
Andy to speak with us today. Andy over to you. We are all ears. As Stephen would have told you,
as you well know you can speak as long as you like or as short as you like and we'll grill you with
questions and love you with questions and anything else you would like to do.
Thank you very much. It's great to be back. I have to be off at three o'clock my time, that's in about
50 minutes. I've got another meeting but if that's good enough for you then that's great with me.
Thank you. I'm sure you have plenty of questions. I'll give you a little bit of background perhaps
for those of you who haven't met me before virtually. I graduated in medicine from St Mary's
in 1981 and was one of six generations of my family who graduated from that medical school
and we're littered with doctors. I'm the only one who's lost his medical license which is
well it's a cross I have to bear I'm afraid but I ran a large research team at the Royal Free
Hospital in London. There were 19 of us looking at inflammatory bowel disease and
in particular the relationship, the novel relationship or least novel to the extent
that it was newly observed between gastrointestinal disease and regressive autism in parents many of
whom in children who many whose parents said that they had their child had regressed from a
normal developmental trajectory into autism following measles mumps rebella vaccine and
I felt it was my moral and professional obligation to take the parent's story at face value it is
almost invariably the correct approach in medicine to have the humility not to assume that you know
the answer but to sorry someone say something I keep going okay sorry but to
but to investigate and to the best of my ability to rule it in or rule it out and I did that my
the dean of the medical school who was heavily invested in hepatitis b vaccine research
with GlaxoSmithKline the manufacturer of that vaccine warned me that if I
continued vaccine safety research it would not be good for my career well
in that at least he was correct and it just to give some sort of perspective that
then that was 1995 onwards the council culture was on her
leonard mute leonard mute everybody and that's okay except andrew of course
keep going andy okay uh where was I um yeah at that time and this is not you know a hard luck
story about andy wakefield just a an historical fact is that at the time there was uh on either
side there was me on one side and on the other side there was the world health organization unicef
the bill and malinda gates foundation or the emerging foundation the british government the
american government the cdc the american medical association the american academy of pediatrics and
that was the other side and plus the pharmaceutical industry so it was an interesting um if somewhat
uphill battle and and and I went to america I came to america to continue the work and then
um because the work was progressing they decided the british medical journal in combination with a
journalist called brian dear decided to accuse me of fraud now with that imbalance of the the
ability to communicate the message it was very very difficult you can destroy a physician or
scientist's career in five minutes with the allegation of fraud it takes a lifetime if ever
to to um correct that situation and uh just as an interesting story someone wrote the other day why
didn't andy wakefield sue brian dear and the british medical journal people tend to
assume the answer if they don't know it they assume the answer rather than posing it as a question
did andy wakefield ever sue these people for defamation the answer is yes and we sued brian
dear and the british medical journal in the state of texas because that's where I was living that's
where I was damaged if you like the ability to continue um profitable employment and so
we sued them and it was a very interesting proceed and I tell you this because it's just a fascinating
now as a dramatist this is just one of those great moments that if I were writing this
story as a screenplay this is I would include this and we in America as you probably know we
get to depose people that is you get to question them in person before going to court so you can
adduce a great deal of the evidence and you can use that when you come to court and when we did
that we we deposed um jane smith jane smith was the deputy editor of the british medical journal
and it was her job to fact check it's a term we're now very familiar with to fact check
the claims of brian dear the claims of fraud against the six million word transcript of the
general medical council which is our licensing body which was responsible for striking me off
removing my medical license that was her job and during the proceedings during the deposition
my lawyer said to her were you aware miss smith that these were the adversarial proceedings each
side gets to present their own argument and she said yes she said were you aware that dr wakefield
testified and she said um no in other words she had read what brian dear took her to that supported
his answers and had read none of the counter arguments at all she was then asked were you
aware that professor john walker smith whose story concurred with mine um was also uh part of these
proceedings and gave testimony in fact john walker smith's testimony was the longest ever in the
history of the general medical council mine was second longest and she said i'm not sure i think
so in other words she had done no fact checking at all now this was a fascinating moment because
in that moment given the claim that they had made to their own lawyers that they had fact checked
his claims dears claims against the six million word transcript of the gmc proceedings their case
fell apart their lawyers realized and they'd flown in from dallas their lawyers realized that they
had been lied to at that moment one of the lawyers stood up and walked out of the room
he was so disgusted you never lie to your people lie all the time you never lie to your lawyer
they had lied to their lawyers and their case just disintegrated and he knew that the next thing that
happened is we have a brand new affidavit an amended affidavit was filed by brian dear in other
words the lawyer had gone out of the room he called brian dear and said buddy our case has
just fallen apart because you did not tell us the truth you've got one opportunity to turn this
round and that is to produce a revised affidavit which makes no reference whatsoever to the gmc
transcript and that's what he had to do and they realized and sadly what happened next is that
we were denied jurisdiction to fight this case in texas and that was entirely inappropriate it
went against all legal precedent the bmj profits from medical schools in texas by selling the bmj
to those so it derives a profit we have a long-arm statute in texas that allows us to
sue people who defame us from for example the british medical union
and we were denied someone very very important did not want this case to go to court and i'm
sure that's because they know that we would have prevailed and so it was a very interesting
moment but i share it with you because a lot of people have raised this question why did you not
sue them and the answer is we did
now sorry about sorry about these interruptions i don't know whether these are inserts but we
don't normally have this i've removed i've removed steven so we're just watching keep going and he's
used to interruptions from troublemakers so where and where where are things now well um
and but please feel free to stop me interrupt me at any stage and ask questions but i um
i'm now a filmmaker and i realized that if i were going to continue to
serve these children serve this community the most effective way of doing it was to share the
knowledge that i had gained and over the years because of the position i'd taken
a large number of a large number a number of people had come to me from the regulatory agencies
such as the department of health in the uk the cdc the fda or from the pharmaceutical
industry themselves the vaccine manufacturers and said we have done a terrible thing and here is the
evidence in other words i became something of a repository for whistleblowers and the way i
handled these at the time was to pass them on to lawyers to be pursued or not on their merits but
they made for fascinating stories people love a good whistleblower story and so when i finally
had no job i decided i'd been very interested in screenwriting since 2004 i'd been working i'd been
studying and studying going on courses and so i decided to become a dramatist and to put these
into story and that's what i did and i guess the first story we ever made was uh who killed alex
bordelakis a tragic story of a a young boy in chicago with profound autism who was mute
and violent and medicine in the absence of any knowledge of how to treat this put him on
up to 28 psychotropic medications each one to offset the side effects of the last one it was
an utter disaster and it was ativan in particular that was making him violent and we he was in four
point locked restraints in the pediatric intensive care unit in a hospital in chicago and he was
taken to he was there for i think for up to 80 days he was in four point locked restraints it was
an absolute travesty of of the medical profession and the medical doctor medicine's understanding of
what is autism is let alone how to treat it so we took him to new york we got him out of there we
took him to new york through the night and we got him scoped he had inflammatory bowel disease
that was treated and he started to improve but he went back to chicago his mother and his godmother
who were looking after him had nowhere to live they were she was estranged from her husband and so
they would go from hotel to motel hotel to motel and every time he heard a siren of which there are
many in chicago they were coming to lock him up again to take him away and chain him up and he
would have a meltdown and he would destroy the hotel the motel room and they would have to move
on and they were at their wits end they were absolutely exhausted and the next we came to
hear of him he was in a pediatric intensive care unit at lutheran hospital and again they put him
on two intravenous and one intramuscular sedatives and he was still awake and bending the metal frame
of the bed to which he was chained and it was a desperate situation we left there to try and find
somewhere safe to take him and halfway through the week his insurance ran out and so the hospital
decided it was in his best interests or perhaps theirs to take off his restraints put him in a
wheelchair and put him out on the street and you know that was it that was american medical care
for this child a week later his mother stabbed him to death and tried to take her own life as
did the godmother and a terrible story and absolutely appalling and none of what i'm saying is
in any way uh in endorsement to advocate for harming children none whatsoever but it
it really was a story about the complete and utter failure the abject failure of the medical system
to have any answers for this problem and um so fast forward four years we made this film the
film came out it was a very difficult film to watch but a very important film and i got a call
from his lawyer and she at this stage was in prison she was facing trial she had still not
four years later gone to trial and she faced a charge of aggravated murder which meant that
there was no parole no chance of parole and the state's prosecutor from illinois called the lawyer
and said we understand that a film has been made about this we would like to see it if possible so
he called me and he sent he said andy i've sent them my last dvd of the film and i got a call back
two weeks later saying that uh the the state's prosecutor said we can no longer prosecute this
case in the same way having seen this film she will be released from prison next week
and that was extraordinary that was just a glimpse of humanity from the state's prosecutor and his
team based upon a film and film has extraordinary power to tell the truth if it had not been for the
film it would have just been a crazy mother who hated her child which is the way the media had
portrayed her and she would be in prison now and for the rest of her life but the film changed that
it was the first time ever in american legal history that a film had had that effect so it
was enormously reassuring it was it it was a story about that really compelled me to move forward
with a much better understanding of the power of film and how if you tell the truth and you tell
it with integrity then you can make a big difference and so we then went from to vaxt and vaxt i'm sure
many people have seen but vaxt had a profound impact because it was censored it was a wonderful
moment in history when the censorship worked against them and they tried to get it banned it
was accepted into tribeck a film festival by robert de niro and it was then banned it was
censored and that was the first time ever in the history of of independent filmmaking at that that
particular venue tribeck that this had happened and there were financial reasons behind that
and related to the film sponsors or the film festival sponsorship but what happened then is
robert de niro realized that he had been duped and he went on television the following week
on the today show and good morning america he had a great deal of attention he said we should not
have done that we should not have censored that film it needs to be seen by everyone so that they
can make up their own mind and that exploded worldwide suddenly this de niro effect caused
vax to explode worldwide and censorship really really did count against them and they kept trying
to censor it they kept making the same mistake and it became ever more popular globally and so
it had a and that had a profound effect in changing people's minds why because it was a whistleblower
from the vaccine safety office of the cdc it wasn't my opinion it wasn't my producer del
big tree's opinion if this these were statements and recordings of the whistleblower who was the
senior scientist he had designed a study to look at age of exposure to mmr and autism risk
he had found a very positive strong positive association between younger age of exposure
and autism risk and they had decided between the five authors to bury those data to destroy
the offending documents and to publish something completely different which exonerated mmr and he
said i i couldn't do that i kept the documents because i realized it was illegal to do that
and here they are and so we made the film and that was the importance of that is that it was
from the cdc it was the cdc's opinion it was not ours and this was the senior scientist who was
involved in it unfortunately there was no accountability that was the tragic thing is that
the films should have led to accountability these people should have been hauled up in front of
congress in front of the oversight committee on government reform or in in front of the courts
and they should have gone to prison for what they did which was one of the worst abuses of medical
and professional moral and professional ethics ever it was absolutely appalling they deliberately
willfully put millions of children at risk of a permanent serious neurological condition autism
um because they wanted to protect themselves and the program the vaccine program not the children
and so the films i make now are really about accountability i then wanted to make a film
called 1986 the act which was a play on all wells 1984 and it was about the national childhood
vaccine injury act which essentially as all of you know gave almost complete liability
protection to the pharmaceutical companies the vaccine manufacturers for
death and injury caused by their vaccines once they were on the cdc's recommended schedule
and this really was the beginning of the end this was a disastrous situation because
what the vaccine manufacturers had at that stage in the united states of america was a mandatory
market children had to receive these vaccines to go to school and no liability all they could do
all the vaccine makers could do was to make a profit and they did make a massive massive profit
and they realized that they the more vaccines they got onto the program then the more money
they could make and so irrespective of the indication or the severity of the disease
that they were producing a vaccine for they loaded up the vaccine schedule for children in
america and by proxy of the world with these new vaccines and uh it was disastrous because with
that wealth that they acquired with that power that came with the wealth then they were able to
buy medical journals they were able to buy politicians they were able to write legislation
themselves effectively they were able to buy the media so that they controlled the message the
narrative the editorial nothing could go out that wasn't approved by the sponsors and so
they controlled medical training they funded medical schools they taught medical students
effectively and so their power increased dramatically to the point where we see now
all of these all of this manifest in what we've seen with covid and and the and the covid shots
we've seen this immense power of industry to influence policy to circumvent to circumvent
safety studies to accelerate vaccines to market to make massive profits with no liability and
um that has been a disaster for the world for the latest film i then i was saying i made a film with
bobby kennedy um about infertility vaccines administered in third world countries in
particularly in west east africa under the guise of tetanus vaccines um which was extraordinary
and i having studied that i i came to realize that my concerns my lack of concern perhaps about
there being a a fertility fertility population control agenda were actually wrong and there was
and this was something that was funded by the world health organization the bill and melinda
gates foundation and it was dressed up as a tetanus a neonatal tetanus vaccine
tetanus prevention program that was in fact rendering these women
infertile by administering hcg human chorionic gonadotropin to which they then raised an immune
response and that was very alarming i then um decided to make a film about a story that i'd
come across many years before that actually is in federal court in the united states and this was
my first departure into a full uh a full-length narrative feature in other words rather like
erin brockovich or the insider or um silent spring uh based on a true story and it is a vaccine
fraud by the company that came to my attention from the whistleblower many years ago
and i made this for i wrote this film and decided ultimately that it had to be made i consulted with
i brought on to the writing team a great friend of mine uh called terry rosio and people will say well
who's terry rosio never heard of him terry rosio wrote little known films like
shrek and pirates of the caribbean and godzilla versus king kong and aladdin and fast and furious
and uh and deja vu so a man at the top top of his game so we we finished this film together and we
shot it and it's it'll be hitting the screens in i think september if we're lucky it's it's been
an absolute pleasure a terrifying experience but wonderful to work with actors on this and to
it really is uh it's going to be a real eye opener the key to successful filmmaking is that first
and foremost you have to entertain if you do not entertain you do not have an audience what you
need is people sitting forward in their seats wanting to learn more and you educate them
secondarily and so this is a story as people love based on a true story and this is one such film
and this is going to cause a great deal of of uh interest it comes on the back of
jim caviezel's sound of freedom i'd strongly recommend that film to you uh it's very powerful
message and it was produced it's a film about a true story about a hero from the department of
homeland security who gave up his job to go into the heart of columbia to save uh children who've
been sex trafficked and it was it's an extraordinary story of course the left-wing media has had all
kinds of negative things to say about it but it's grossed in its short release i think it's been out
for a week it's grossed 40 million dollars so far and this is an independent film that they've
done everything they can to prevent hitting the screen so um uh yeah i strongly recommend that
to you and a compelling story that really motivates us to act and that is the important thing that
uh film the truth motivates us to respond and people will and uh nothing will stop that so i
will um we're going to make many films we have a slate of films one thing i said i'd never do
which seems like we're likely to do is make a film about wuhan there must be 2000 screenwriters
writing that story at the moment in hollywood if they weren't if the writers weren't on strike that
is um but we that's something that um given some particular insights that we've had where we're
in the process of putting together right now so film has been something that has allowed me to
continue to serve this community and uh hopefully bring the truth to an audience who will be
motivated to act accordingly so i'll leave it there and answer questions andy you didn't
title hang on just the title of your the september movie it's called protocol seven
thank you protocol everybody put that in your diary protocol seven all right stephen we got
20 minutes so we quick fire stephen first and then we'll go to roger
so i've asked one of the two questions i wanted to ask you um and obviously i could ask you a
million questions but but i just wanted to ask you this question um to give the others a chance
because it's very important that we hear other people's ideas as well you trigger their brains
and and so um was there a pandemic was there a pandemic starting in 2020
um yes there was i i do believe there was i think what we we saw was peter dazak and colleagues
producing a man-made virus his stated aim was to produce the worst possible most dangerous possible
coronavirus and at the same time to to produce in the lab a vaccine to counteract that so the
the cause and the cure at the same time if you like the problem and its solution that was his
his strategy his stated strategy and so he did have a virus it was um it was man-made it was entirely
most entirely artificial um and it's been particularly unpleasant it's produced its own
so andrew i want to ask a second question then um go ahead obviously i i respect your answer but i
i don't actually agree um but anyway um i just wanted to ask you whether you think there's a
possibility that they wanted to push the gain of function false narrative because it plays into
their narrative that there was in fact a pandemic which justified all the measures
which were pure evil in my opinion and they needed that narrative of uh you know gain of
function to scare populations um so and the whole thing about deadly viral pandemics
we were taught about that at my medical school that deadly viral pandemic uh deadly viral and
pandemic are mutually exclusive if you if you believe in viruses there are people as you know
probably who don't believe there are any viruses i must admit that i think the world of virology has
been hijacked uh the world of epidemiology the world of uh evidence-based medicine has been created
um these are possibilities in my mind i think we all need to think about what has happened
but what has happened is so outrageous that i think they needed also genomics and they also
attacked immunology in the 80s according to one of my friends who was very active with hiv in london
they attacked the immunologists and immunology uh and in a way replaced it with virologists and
virology the emphasis shifted from brilliant immune systems of human beings to the present
situation which i think is that 72 shots are required in the united states of america to
get to the age of five which is absolute nonsense so on the one hand you've got a respect
for human beings and human species but on the other hand you've got no respect at all for
what has been created this however it was created and we have to come along as mere human beings in
a universe we can't even quantify with vaccinations in order for healthy children to survive to the
age of five so i think it's really important if you're going to make a film about wuhan that
you understand that there are people who are joining me in at least considering this possibility
that actually no deadly viral pandemics are possible this wasn't a pandemic and what is
more we don't need to be afraid of future pandemics which destroys the whole reason
for the world health organization and all the rest of them i i just put it to i'm not uh
disrespecting what you said i think it's very very easy to go down that route which they put about
even through uh o'keith with the so-called sting operation which i don't think well it was a double
bluff in my opinion and that was on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry and others unnamed um but
anyway uh if you so i firstly i would certainly respect your opinion and your absolute right to
say it and i wish we had several hours could we discuss this for a very long time it's something
that's you know it really arose out of the debate between lamarck and others and pastor about
whether it was the whether there was an infection or that was causing this or whether it was the
terrain whether it was the human immune system that was in some way impaired and that debate
raged and i think the answer is that both elements are true the way in which we respond to infectious
agents depends upon the integrity of our immune system i've studied measles for 30 years now and
in great detail and so i've come to the conclusion that yes viruses do exist and they have a unique
and idiosyncratic pattern of signs symptoms and epidemic that um that mean that yes they are real
uh but the one that we're dealing with was clearly at least in my opinion and opinion of many people
something that was artifactual it was created it was man-made but you yeah notwithstanding that we
could have a very interesting discussion about this for many hours maybe we can yes i would love
to yes and and and i can bring in there's a biologist who you may know because he's connected
now to uh robert kennedy jj cooey do you know him i don't i don't oh he's absolutely brilliant
a free-thinking biologist who goes his own way doesn't want ally well he doesn't want allies
but he wants um yes he he wants allies but he doesn't want to be uh partnered shall we say and
i think that's the best way to go because this is something that requires original thoughts undiluted
by anyone else in the case of you for example and in the case of jj cooey and and a few others who
have been presented to us well many others actually um but anyway really nice to hear you
and um such a fascinating story um and and but i'd like a if if we could have more time
then in the future that would be great of course yes all right thank you steve roger okay we're
going to be quick everybody so minimal minimal sure roger and show your faces if you can everybody
just click on the stop video roger are you there you're muted you're muted roger
i don't know whether joseph what about you there's something that you can't actually um
i couldn't get my video to work by going online yeah charles so you need to tell all these people
who can't unmute themselves in my opinion that they need to go to the bottom okay just a second
um it doesn't it doesn't it's not an option roger should be able to do that let's go to
we'll try mark steel no they need to go to the bottom left they can't unmute themselves by the
usual means it was the same with me and that's what that is mark okay don't worry stephen okay
right mark hi andrew hi yeah it's uh fantastic to meet andrew um obviously you're talking about
wuhan wuhan had a switch on a 5g and we now know that the interconnection between all of the
coronavirus symptoms was symptomatic of the exposure to electromagnetic radiation i said
that very early on everybody said he's crazy it's not true unfortunately i've now got quite
a lot of scientific substantiated evidence that shows that electromagnetic radiation is the main
well it's identical to what they would say was the coronavirus um you know symptoms where you
suffer pulmonary edema uh you know the the breathing difficulties all caused by electromagnetic
radiation so there was this switch on in wuhan of the 5g network the chinese had already been
vaccinated in november 2 19 with contamination in the vaccines and the vaccines had nano
metamaterials actually inside the vaccines which that then allowed the 5g urban radar network to
actually identify the victims and we saw the people in wuhan walking along the street and then
basically just uh you know toppling over so i'm very very skeptical about the whole i'm not saying
that you know your interpretation of a virus is what you believe it to be because that's exactly
what it is however there's an environmental factor that causes the symptoms that you would
see as a virus so you you'll identify a virus it's a bit like the ebbsdine bar virus if i hit
somebody with 50 hertz that can cause what will be seen as a as a as the ebbsdine bar virus we're
using the 50 hertz radiation part of the spectrum so we'll see this electromagnetic radiation
basically an environmental pollutant that pollutes the system quick question we're not mark you've
made the point have you got a question for Andy quick question about the film if you want to do
a film on the wuhan you really do need to understand the electromagnetic radiation weapons
program and the question i want to ask covered 19 as far as i'm aware was a biochemical weapons
program that's now being injected into people's arms due to the contamination the nano metamaterial
antennas that were now have identified in people's deltoids so if you just want to you know speak a
bit more about that andrew as you know to understand you know what your perception is of that issue
mark i can put um andrew in touch with you because i'd love to have a chat there's a far bigger
there's a far bigger story about wuhan and there's a far bigger story actually running out across the
world as we speak yeah no i again i thank you very much for that for sharing it i it's not a subject i
know anything about i'm aware certainly on children's health defense there's been a great
deal of discussion about 5g and its its effects on health and it's something i need to get up to
speed with so um but thank you very much and i i will go away and and read it um and i i avoid
talking about anything that i don't know anything about because that's not well marks an expert on 5g
um so i can put you in touch with him if you like andrew you're very kind thank you all right roger
andy um canadian pathologist here um pre-covid i trashed you and kennedy because of your theory
and i'm now eating crow in public i profoundly apologize for any hurt i might have caused
um
you you need to be complimented for your stand and the the the terrible consequences that you've
undertaken my question is this um what is your opinion um on the relationship between childhood
vaccination and sids well firstly thank you very much it was it was unnecessary and i appreciate
it and you had given the the propaganda or the information that was put out in the mainstream
media about me it would have been very difficult to come to any other conclusion that than i was
guilty so i i hold no ill feeling no grudge whatsoever um sids the relationship between
vaccines and sids particularly in the context of the dpt vaccine that the wholesale pertussis
vaccine was was uh investigated by vera schreibner and her husband in australia and um they brought
attention to the fact they were doing sleep studies and they found profound sleep apnea
that coincided with vaccine dpt vaccine administration in babies it was not something
they were looking for it was one of those observations and of course when they made it they
got into terrible trouble and they've demonstrated to their own satisfaction a clear relationship
between sids and vaccines i have there are so many cases now that they all will be they would
be classified as anecdotal so many cases of children dying very soon after after vaccination
sids where did sids come from healthy babies do not die they don't die um that would be a
an evolutionary anomaly and a nightmare doesn't happen it so something and i strongly believe
based upon the evidence particularly coming out of the vaccine adverse events reporting system in
this country that there is an association and it is negligent not to fully investigate that
association and take it from what is now a uh sort of passive reporting system to
a proper randomized control trial or indeed a long-term follow-up study so i do believe
based upon my own experience that there is a clear link between sids and vaccine administration
precisely what the nature of that is i don't know but uh yeah i think that's my position thank you
thank you thank you roger and thank you for your honesty joseph can you unmute yourself we can see
you've shown your video you should be able to unmute everyone can unmute you haven't been blocked
yeah go thanks so much for the chat andrew very very interesting um i wanted to ask sorry you've
probably had this question a million times but um this relate just if you could just briefly talk
about and just summarize if you can the um the original paper that what happened during the
original paper within the lance it something i learned about a medical school um so i'd love
to hear your your story uh with regards to that if you can summarize or if it's too much information
perhaps you can just point me towards a reference uh documentary that i can go to and then let me
try let me try and see where we get to um so the parents came to me with a story and the story was
of onset of um cognitive deterioration into autism and gastrointestinal disturbances
in children with autism bloating pain distension diarrhea or alternating constipation and diarrhea
the sort of symptoms bleeding correct and the sort of symptoms that would have merited had the child
not had autism thorough investigation to exclude chrome's disease or osteocolitis
they were not being investigated because they had autism they were actually been actively
uh discriminated against because of their autism so the doctors had said oh your child has these
gi symptoms but they're just part of autism get over it put them in a home have another you know
it was tragic so i brought together a team including the world's leading pediatric gastroenterologist
at the time professor john walker smith and he decided that these clinical symptoms merited
investigation that was his decision it was a decision to investigate these children on their
clinical presentation by the world's leading pediatric gastroenterologist and his team
and what we found when he did that was that these children had inflammatory bowel disease and so
as you know the initial reports of novel human or potentially novel humans disease syndromes
are anecdotal they are one case to 50 i mean crohn's was first described in what 12 cases 13
cases aids in one case i mean this is how medical syndromes are first described that doesn't mean
there's any causal relationship it's simply saying this is what we've observed this is what the
parents have told us we're reporting it in order that this might be progressed
we i felt very strongly that we could not censor the parents story they were right about the
inflammatory bowel disease medicine had been wrong and we had a responsibility to at least report the
parental association with regression following vaccination that was very very unpopular and
um i so what we want these kinds of studies do these observational studies
uh these case series is to promote the iterative process of science to then put it to the test in
a randomized control in some kind of controlled setting where we're comparing children with
autism without autism the vaccine histories all of these things that can be then examined in
proper studies that was what the study said at the end it said this study does not prove an
association that loads of causal association between the vaccine and the syndrome described
further studies are required to clarify this this was taken by the media turned into wakefield
claims mmr causes autism no i didn't we were quite clear it was a very sober paper when you read it
a very sober paper about the possible association and the need for further investigation so that's
that's what it was but there was a an intense desire to put an end to this
work once and for all and unfortunately that's what happened now the sorry the gastrointestinal
link with autism has been reproduced in multiple papers worldwide if you want to look any up then
look up kriegsman a kriegsman he was a pediatric gastroenterologist in in new york at mount
sinai hospital so please look up arthur kriegsman and you'll see many references to the work that
he and others have done at wake forest on this subject thank you thank you thank you
we're going to keep moving joseph because we're tight but thank you great question joseph
leonard let's go unmute yourself leonard
you might you might have to go to the bottom left of your screen leonard as i did
bear with me one second i'm just going to see if these people are right
leonard should be able to unmute bottom left screen they're not here yet beautiful
leonard you're good now go for it
leonard you're unmuted would you turn it in mind sorry it just while we're waiting for leonard i
had a i had a question from a colleague which was simply about um if you received money when you
went to or if you received a payoff when you went to the states it was a colleague who suggested
this that um that may have been true or not so just wanted to clarify if that was the case if
that's okay sorry you know someone once said there some some pediatrician said the other
day wakefield confessed to his sins and is in prison i'm sorry to laugh but i
i know can you hear me no not been in prison and no there was i have received no payoff well i
was actually um i i was the dean of the medical school and the professor of medicine came to me
one day the professor of medicine and his colleagues and said you no longer form part of the future of
my department i had i had tenure at the hospital i am the tenured physician um but no i had to go
and so i had no job i had nothing i so i moved to the united states on the basis that if i was going
to progress this work anywhere in the world it would be in the united states of america and uh
because it couldn't be done in england by virtue of the the very constrained structure of of medical
funding i would never have got medical funding to to funding for research to do this work so
oh there was no payoff in fact quite the opposite i was uh i was kind of financially destitute at
that point um because were you the dean of st mary's medical school me no no no no no i was uh
i never would have wanted it no this was at the royal free hospital and the dean was professor
harry zuckerman um no i was i ran a research team there i was a oh i see the department of medicine
wow thank you thank you andrew um shawls can you hear me now yes we can and andrew uh i have you
i've watched or followed your your journey for a long time since that i'll call it infamous bbc
documentary where you were put in front of a lynch mob and at the time that you were raising your
concerns about autism i was working on alternatives to vaccines or sustainable
alternatives to vaccines have you come across host defense peptides or antimicrobial peptides
as part of an eight immune function i have um not in the context of using them to
mitigate disease prevent disease but um i've certainly heard of them it's it's a field that's
moved on considerably since i i left medical and research practice okay and can i say that these
amps are their first line of defense and they combine with a pathogen either bacteria
or virus to produce an antigen complex which is the focus of a targeted antibody response
okay this is something i've been working for since 1999 um have you ever come across a gentleman of
the name of rolf zinkenagel professor he was awarded a nobel prize for in medicine in in
96 i actually lectured to rolf zinkenagel and his group many years ago about the subject about
the subject of vaccines and autism yeah i was uh i was immensely impressed by dr zinkenagel
that's that's fantastic can i say that i met him in 2006 um at a conference on autoimmune diseases
in kerlinsky institute and i um i got into conversation with him and he um he asked if
my idea worked i was working on antimicrobial peptides and how they could treat a number of
different diseases and i sent him a review was a 20 page review with 126 references and he
he said it's following new ideas if we have in common that you've worked with zinkenagel you have
respect for him i would very much dearly like to tell you about how what my work has been i'm an
independent scientist in uk um been refused all let's let's if you send an email send me an email
and i'll pass it to um andy i promised yeah and there's another one have you come across il10
yes absolutely we did a bunch of work on il10 i have some interesting data on that with covid
and again new sustainable approaches safe alternatives when you when you were when bobby
kennedy was speaking about was he an anti-vaxxer if you can speak of a equivalent vaccine strategy
which is safe would that be a helpful position to be in so if i think you could argue absolutely
you could argue if you can present me with a vaccine that is safe genuinely completely safe
and effective works then that is a very interesting possibility at the moment we don't have that for
any of the vaccines so so so yes it's not that i would endorse it or that i would personally take
it but it makes you know if it is genuinely safe and effective which none of them are then we're
in a very different position um guys i've my meeting has just arrived so i better love you
and leave you and andrew thank you for your time my pleasure it's great to be on and i will join
you again yes please andrew can i can i so the people who've got their hands up uh watch out for
for another announcement about another meeting with andrew i just wanted to ask you andrew
because it's important we haven't got much time maybe um james patrick do you know him he's a
filmmaker and he made the brilliant documentary planet lockdown on a shoestring budget i think
you too yeah yeah no i know him well yeah he in fact he provided the footage for the
infertility film i made with bobby kennedy yes indeed interesting and by the way i think we
were interrupted by our friend or our enemy um when you mentioned the word infertility
right i wonder if that was uh yes and i've been focusing more and more on that
because if you want to kill uh populations around the world you need to attack fertility
and there's great plausible deniability because of the delay so right you think
i better go thank you so much for having me on thank you so much yes bye thank you
thank you ruffley field god bless