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Well hang on, I'll just do a quick intro. Andy, I'll let you, I'll make you a co-host in case you

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want to share your screen. Jim Thorpe is here, welcome Jim. Jonathan Engler is here, Jonathan

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spoke to us on Monday, on Sunday night. Andy.

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Dr Wakefield, it's a pleasure to meet you sir.

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Well thank you so much, it's great to be here.

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So everybody. Yeah, there are a few British doctors on that tonight

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Andrew, so that may give some comfort to you.

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Yes, yes indeed. Yeah, in fact I was reading something of yours just the other day Dr Thorpe,

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I was just yesterday I think, so very nice to meet you in person or at least virtually.

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You're a hero man.

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Nick's okay, eh, scheisse man.

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Yes, he is a hero, Andy's the great journey you've been on. So everybody let's do the quick

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intro, the recording is on and welcome to Medical Doctors for Covid Ethics International. In today's

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discussion with Dr Andrew Wakefield, commonly known as Andy Wakefield, this group was founded

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by Stephen Frost over two years ago. Stephen decided to stand up against government, he stood up

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against government over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty

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is radiology. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group on Australasia's passion provocateur,

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and my jacket is red because red is the colour of passion. I've practiced law for 20 years before

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changing career 30 years ago and over the last 12 years I've helped parents and lawyers to

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strategise remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an

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industrial hemp company and Andy Wakefield, I've been following you for 12 years since I was woken

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up about what's been going on. So it's been a very fascinating journey and you as Jim Thorpe says,

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you are indeed a hero. We comprise lots of professions including doctors, lawyers,

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homeopaths, journalists, scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers and troublemakers and

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we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were okay, now many of us proudly

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say yes we are passionate anti-vaxxers as I do and as Judy Mikovits has told us, don't get injected

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with anything, she was passionate, do not get injected with anything. So there you are, her words

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keep ringing certainly in my ears. If this is your first time here welcome and feel free to

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introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from, if you publish a newsletter or a podcast

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or you have a radio or tv show or you've written a book or you've produced a film,

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put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you. Most of us understand

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we're in the middle of World War III and that there are various battle lines as part of this war.

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Some of us believe we are in a continuation of World War II.

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Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never

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settled. The meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time Tom Rodman

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runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.

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We will listen to Andy Wakefield for as long as Andy wishes to speak and then we have Q&A.

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Stephen Frost, by long established tradition, asks the first questions. There's no censorship,

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it's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating free speech is crucially important in

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our fight to preserve our human freedoms and I just want you all to understand the lockstep

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that's happening in the UK, in US, in Canada and now in Australia with the introduction of

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legislation to prevent misinformation and disinformation to protect you all.

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Just observe that lockstep game of these global cabalists.

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If you're offended by anything be offended. We are genuinely not interested. We reject the

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offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another.

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We come with an attitude and perspective of love not fear.

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Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you, love on the other hand expands you. If you have a

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solution or product or links or resources that will help people put the details into the chat

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and those of you who have put them into the chat previously please keep putting the links into the

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chat because we have a moving population and people watch the recording and so it's very helpful,

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easy to find. The meeting is recorded and is uploaded on the Rumble channel and now welcome

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to Dr Andy Wakefield, our guest presenter whom we thank you Andy for giving us your time,

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wisdom and insights and thank you Stephen Frost again for creating this group and for organising

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Andy to speak with us today. Andy over to you. We are all ears. As Stephen would have told you,

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as you well know you can speak as long as you like or as short as you like and we'll grill you with

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questions and love you with questions and anything else you would like to do.

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Thank you very much. It's great to be back. I have to be off at three o'clock my time, that's in about

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50 minutes. I've got another meeting but if that's good enough for you then that's great with me.

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Thank you. I'm sure you have plenty of questions. I'll give you a little bit of background perhaps

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for those of you who haven't met me before virtually. I graduated in medicine from St Mary's

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in 1981 and was one of six generations of my family who graduated from that medical school

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and we're littered with doctors. I'm the only one who's lost his medical license which is

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well it's a cross I have to bear I'm afraid but I ran a large research team at the Royal Free

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Hospital in London. There were 19 of us looking at inflammatory bowel disease and

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in particular the relationship, the novel relationship or least novel to the extent

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that it was newly observed between gastrointestinal disease and regressive autism in parents many of

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whom in children who many whose parents said that they had their child had regressed from a

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normal developmental trajectory into autism following measles mumps rebella vaccine and

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I felt it was my moral and professional obligation to take the parent's story at face value it is

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almost invariably the correct approach in medicine to have the humility not to assume that you know

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the answer but to sorry someone say something I keep going okay sorry but to

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but to investigate and to the best of my ability to rule it in or rule it out and I did that my

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the dean of the medical school who was heavily invested in hepatitis b vaccine research

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with GlaxoSmithKline the manufacturer of that vaccine warned me that if I

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continued vaccine safety research it would not be good for my career well

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in that at least he was correct and it just to give some sort of perspective that

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then that was 1995 onwards the council culture was on her

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leonard mute leonard mute everybody and that's okay except andrew of course

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keep going andy okay uh where was I um yeah at that time and this is not you know a hard luck

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story about andy wakefield just a an historical fact is that at the time there was uh on either

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side there was me on one side and on the other side there was the world health organization unicef

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the bill and malinda gates foundation or the emerging foundation the british government the

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american government the cdc the american medical association the american academy of pediatrics and

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that was the other side and plus the pharmaceutical industry so it was an interesting um if somewhat

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uphill battle and and and I went to america I came to america to continue the work and then

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um because the work was progressing they decided the british medical journal in combination with a

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journalist called brian dear decided to accuse me of fraud now with that imbalance of the the

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ability to communicate the message it was very very difficult you can destroy a physician or

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scientist's career in five minutes with the allegation of fraud it takes a lifetime if ever

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to to um correct that situation and uh just as an interesting story someone wrote the other day why

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didn't andy wakefield sue brian dear and the british medical journal people tend to

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assume the answer if they don't know it they assume the answer rather than posing it as a question

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did andy wakefield ever sue these people for defamation the answer is yes and we sued brian

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dear and the british medical journal in the state of texas because that's where I was living that's

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where I was damaged if you like the ability to continue um profitable employment and so

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we sued them and it was a very interesting proceed and I tell you this because it's just a fascinating

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now as a dramatist this is just one of those great moments that if I were writing this

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story as a screenplay this is I would include this and we in America as you probably know we

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get to depose people that is you get to question them in person before going to court so you can

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adduce a great deal of the evidence and you can use that when you come to court and when we did

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that we we deposed um jane smith jane smith was the deputy editor of the british medical journal

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and it was her job to fact check it's a term we're now very familiar with to fact check

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the claims of brian dear the claims of fraud against the six million word transcript of the

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general medical council which is our licensing body which was responsible for striking me off

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removing my medical license that was her job and during the proceedings during the deposition

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my lawyer said to her were you aware miss smith that these were the adversarial proceedings each

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side gets to present their own argument and she said yes she said were you aware that dr wakefield

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testified and she said um no in other words she had read what brian dear took her to that supported

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his answers and had read none of the counter arguments at all she was then asked were you

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aware that professor john walker smith whose story concurred with mine um was also uh part of these

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proceedings and gave testimony in fact john walker smith's testimony was the longest ever in the

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history of the general medical council mine was second longest and she said i'm not sure i think

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so in other words she had done no fact checking at all now this was a fascinating moment because

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in that moment given the claim that they had made to their own lawyers that they had fact checked

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his claims dears claims against the six million word transcript of the gmc proceedings their case

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fell apart their lawyers realized and they'd flown in from dallas their lawyers realized that they

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had been lied to at that moment one of the lawyers stood up and walked out of the room

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he was so disgusted you never lie to your people lie all the time you never lie to your lawyer

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they had lied to their lawyers and their case just disintegrated and he knew that the next thing that

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happened is we have a brand new affidavit an amended affidavit was filed by brian dear in other

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words the lawyer had gone out of the room he called brian dear and said buddy our case has

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just fallen apart because you did not tell us the truth you've got one opportunity to turn this

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round and that is to produce a revised affidavit which makes no reference whatsoever to the gmc

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transcript and that's what he had to do and they realized and sadly what happened next is that

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we were denied jurisdiction to fight this case in texas and that was entirely inappropriate it

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went against all legal precedent the bmj profits from medical schools in texas by selling the bmj

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to those so it derives a profit we have a long-arm statute in texas that allows us to

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sue people who defame us from for example the british medical union

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and we were denied someone very very important did not want this case to go to court and i'm

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sure that's because they know that we would have prevailed and so it was a very interesting

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moment but i share it with you because a lot of people have raised this question why did you not

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sue them and the answer is we did

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now sorry about sorry about these interruptions i don't know whether these are inserts but we

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don't normally have this i've removed i've removed steven so we're just watching keep going and he's

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used to interruptions from troublemakers so where and where where are things now well um

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and but please feel free to stop me interrupt me at any stage and ask questions but i um

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i'm now a filmmaker and i realized that if i were going to continue to

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serve these children serve this community the most effective way of doing it was to share the

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knowledge that i had gained and over the years because of the position i'd taken

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a large number of a large number a number of people had come to me from the regulatory agencies

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such as the department of health in the uk the cdc the fda or from the pharmaceutical

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industry themselves the vaccine manufacturers and said we have done a terrible thing and here is the

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evidence in other words i became something of a repository for whistleblowers and the way i

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handled these at the time was to pass them on to lawyers to be pursued or not on their merits but

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they made for fascinating stories people love a good whistleblower story and so when i finally

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had no job i decided i'd been very interested in screenwriting since 2004 i'd been working i'd been

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studying and studying going on courses and so i decided to become a dramatist and to put these

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into story and that's what i did and i guess the first story we ever made was uh who killed alex

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bordelakis a tragic story of a a young boy in chicago with profound autism who was mute

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and violent and medicine in the absence of any knowledge of how to treat this put him on

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up to 28 psychotropic medications each one to offset the side effects of the last one it was

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an utter disaster and it was ativan in particular that was making him violent and we he was in four

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point locked restraints in the pediatric intensive care unit in a hospital in chicago and he was

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taken to he was there for i think for up to 80 days he was in four point locked restraints it was

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an absolute travesty of of the medical profession and the medical doctor medicine's understanding of

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what is autism is let alone how to treat it so we took him to new york we got him out of there we

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took him to new york through the night and we got him scoped he had inflammatory bowel disease

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that was treated and he started to improve but he went back to chicago his mother and his godmother

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who were looking after him had nowhere to live they were she was estranged from her husband and so

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they would go from hotel to motel hotel to motel and every time he heard a siren of which there are

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many in chicago they were coming to lock him up again to take him away and chain him up and he

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would have a meltdown and he would destroy the hotel the motel room and they would have to move

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on and they were at their wits end they were absolutely exhausted and the next we came to

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hear of him he was in a pediatric intensive care unit at lutheran hospital and again they put him

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on two intravenous and one intramuscular sedatives and he was still awake and bending the metal frame

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of the bed to which he was chained and it was a desperate situation we left there to try and find

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somewhere safe to take him and halfway through the week his insurance ran out and so the hospital

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decided it was in his best interests or perhaps theirs to take off his restraints put him in a

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wheelchair and put him out on the street and you know that was it that was american medical care

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for this child a week later his mother stabbed him to death and tried to take her own life as

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did the godmother and a terrible story and absolutely appalling and none of what i'm saying is

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in any way uh in endorsement to advocate for harming children none whatsoever but it

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it really was a story about the complete and utter failure the abject failure of the medical system

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to have any answers for this problem and um so fast forward four years we made this film the

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film came out it was a very difficult film to watch but a very important film and i got a call

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from his lawyer and she at this stage was in prison she was facing trial she had still not

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four years later gone to trial and she faced a charge of aggravated murder which meant that

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there was no parole no chance of parole and the state's prosecutor from illinois called the lawyer

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and said we understand that a film has been made about this we would like to see it if possible so

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he called me and he sent he said andy i've sent them my last dvd of the film and i got a call back

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two weeks later saying that uh the the state's prosecutor said we can no longer prosecute this

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case in the same way having seen this film she will be released from prison next week

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and that was extraordinary that was just a glimpse of humanity from the state's prosecutor and his

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team based upon a film and film has extraordinary power to tell the truth if it had not been for the

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film it would have just been a crazy mother who hated her child which is the way the media had

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portrayed her and she would be in prison now and for the rest of her life but the film changed that

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it was the first time ever in american legal history that a film had had that effect so it

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was enormously reassuring it was it it was a story about that really compelled me to move forward

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with a much better understanding of the power of film and how if you tell the truth and you tell

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it with integrity then you can make a big difference and so we then went from to vaxt and vaxt i'm sure

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many people have seen but vaxt had a profound impact because it was censored it was a wonderful

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moment in history when the censorship worked against them and they tried to get it banned it

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was accepted into tribeck a film festival by robert de niro and it was then banned it was

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censored and that was the first time ever in the history of of independent filmmaking at that that

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particular venue tribeck that this had happened and there were financial reasons behind that

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and related to the film sponsors or the film festival sponsorship but what happened then is

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robert de niro realized that he had been duped and he went on television the following week

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on the today show and good morning america he had a great deal of attention he said we should not

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have done that we should not have censored that film it needs to be seen by everyone so that they

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can make up their own mind and that exploded worldwide suddenly this de niro effect caused

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vax to explode worldwide and censorship really really did count against them and they kept trying

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to censor it they kept making the same mistake and it became ever more popular globally and so

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it had a and that had a profound effect in changing people's minds why because it was a whistleblower

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from the vaccine safety office of the cdc it wasn't my opinion it wasn't my producer del

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big tree's opinion if this these were statements and recordings of the whistleblower who was the

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senior scientist he had designed a study to look at age of exposure to mmr and autism risk

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he had found a very positive strong positive association between younger age of exposure

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and autism risk and they had decided between the five authors to bury those data to destroy

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the offending documents and to publish something completely different which exonerated mmr and he

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said i i couldn't do that i kept the documents because i realized it was illegal to do that

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and here they are and so we made the film and that was the importance of that is that it was

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from the cdc it was the cdc's opinion it was not ours and this was the senior scientist who was

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involved in it unfortunately there was no accountability that was the tragic thing is that

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the films should have led to accountability these people should have been hauled up in front of

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congress in front of the oversight committee on government reform or in in front of the courts

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and they should have gone to prison for what they did which was one of the worst abuses of medical

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and professional moral and professional ethics ever it was absolutely appalling they deliberately

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willfully put millions of children at risk of a permanent serious neurological condition autism

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um because they wanted to protect themselves and the program the vaccine program not the children

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and so the films i make now are really about accountability i then wanted to make a film

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called 1986 the act which was a play on all wells 1984 and it was about the national childhood

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vaccine injury act which essentially as all of you know gave almost complete liability

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protection to the pharmaceutical companies the vaccine manufacturers for

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death and injury caused by their vaccines once they were on the cdc's recommended schedule

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and this really was the beginning of the end this was a disastrous situation because

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what the vaccine manufacturers had at that stage in the united states of america was a mandatory

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market children had to receive these vaccines to go to school and no liability all they could do

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all the vaccine makers could do was to make a profit and they did make a massive massive profit

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and they realized that they the more vaccines they got onto the program then the more money

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they could make and so irrespective of the indication or the severity of the disease

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that they were producing a vaccine for they loaded up the vaccine schedule for children in

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america and by proxy of the world with these new vaccines and uh it was disastrous because with

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that wealth that they acquired with that power that came with the wealth then they were able to

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buy medical journals they were able to buy politicians they were able to write legislation

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themselves effectively they were able to buy the media so that they controlled the message the

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narrative the editorial nothing could go out that wasn't approved by the sponsors and so

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they controlled medical training they funded medical schools they taught medical students

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effectively and so their power increased dramatically to the point where we see now

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all of these all of this manifest in what we've seen with covid and and the and the covid shots

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we've seen this immense power of industry to influence policy to circumvent to circumvent

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safety studies to accelerate vaccines to market to make massive profits with no liability and

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um that has been a disaster for the world for the latest film i then i was saying i made a film with

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bobby kennedy um about infertility vaccines administered in third world countries in

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particularly in west east africa under the guise of tetanus vaccines um which was extraordinary

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and i having studied that i i came to realize that my concerns my lack of concern perhaps about

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there being a a fertility fertility population control agenda were actually wrong and there was

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and this was something that was funded by the world health organization the bill and melinda

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gates foundation and it was dressed up as a tetanus a neonatal tetanus vaccine

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tetanus prevention program that was in fact rendering these women

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infertile by administering hcg human chorionic gonadotropin to which they then raised an immune

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response and that was very alarming i then um decided to make a film about a story that i'd

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come across many years before that actually is in federal court in the united states and this was

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my first departure into a full uh a full-length narrative feature in other words rather like

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erin brockovich or the insider or um silent spring uh based on a true story and it is a vaccine

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fraud by the company that came to my attention from the whistleblower many years ago

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and i made this for i wrote this film and decided ultimately that it had to be made i consulted with

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i brought on to the writing team a great friend of mine uh called terry rosio and people will say well

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who's terry rosio never heard of him terry rosio wrote little known films like

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shrek and pirates of the caribbean and godzilla versus king kong and aladdin and fast and furious

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and uh and deja vu so a man at the top top of his game so we we finished this film together and we

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shot it and it's it'll be hitting the screens in i think september if we're lucky it's it's been

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an absolute pleasure a terrifying experience but wonderful to work with actors on this and to

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it really is uh it's going to be a real eye opener the key to successful filmmaking is that first

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and foremost you have to entertain if you do not entertain you do not have an audience what you

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need is people sitting forward in their seats wanting to learn more and you educate them

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secondarily and so this is a story as people love based on a true story and this is one such film

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and this is going to cause a great deal of of uh interest it comes on the back of

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jim caviezel's sound of freedom i'd strongly recommend that film to you uh it's very powerful

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message and it was produced it's a film about a true story about a hero from the department of

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homeland security who gave up his job to go into the heart of columbia to save uh children who've

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been sex trafficked and it was it's an extraordinary story of course the left-wing media has had all

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kinds of negative things to say about it but it's grossed in its short release i think it's been out

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for a week it's grossed 40 million dollars so far and this is an independent film that they've

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done everything they can to prevent hitting the screen so um uh yeah i strongly recommend that

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to you and a compelling story that really motivates us to act and that is the important thing that

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uh film the truth motivates us to respond and people will and uh nothing will stop that so i

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will um we're going to make many films we have a slate of films one thing i said i'd never do

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which seems like we're likely to do is make a film about wuhan there must be 2000 screenwriters

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writing that story at the moment in hollywood if they weren't if the writers weren't on strike that

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is um but we that's something that um given some particular insights that we've had where we're

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in the process of putting together right now so film has been something that has allowed me to

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continue to serve this community and uh hopefully bring the truth to an audience who will be

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motivated to act accordingly so i'll leave it there and answer questions andy you didn't

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title hang on just the title of your the september movie it's called protocol seven

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thank you protocol everybody put that in your diary protocol seven all right stephen we got

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20 minutes so we quick fire stephen first and then we'll go to roger

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so i've asked one of the two questions i wanted to ask you um and obviously i could ask you a

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million questions but but i just wanted to ask you this question um to give the others a chance

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because it's very important that we hear other people's ideas as well you trigger their brains

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and and so um was there a pandemic was there a pandemic starting in 2020

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um yes there was i i do believe there was i think what we we saw was peter dazak and colleagues

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producing a man-made virus his stated aim was to produce the worst possible most dangerous possible

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coronavirus and at the same time to to produce in the lab a vaccine to counteract that so the

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the cause and the cure at the same time if you like the problem and its solution that was his

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his strategy his stated strategy and so he did have a virus it was um it was man-made it was entirely

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most entirely artificial um and it's been particularly unpleasant it's produced its own

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so andrew i want to ask a second question then um go ahead obviously i i respect your answer but i

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i don't actually agree um but anyway um i just wanted to ask you whether you think there's a

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possibility that they wanted to push the gain of function false narrative because it plays into

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their narrative that there was in fact a pandemic which justified all the measures

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which were pure evil in my opinion and they needed that narrative of uh you know gain of

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function to scare populations um so and the whole thing about deadly viral pandemics

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we were taught about that at my medical school that deadly viral pandemic uh deadly viral and

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pandemic are mutually exclusive if you if you believe in viruses there are people as you know

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probably who don't believe there are any viruses i must admit that i think the world of virology has

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been hijacked uh the world of epidemiology the world of uh evidence-based medicine has been created

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um these are possibilities in my mind i think we all need to think about what has happened

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but what has happened is so outrageous that i think they needed also genomics and they also

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attacked immunology in the 80s according to one of my friends who was very active with hiv in london

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they attacked the immunologists and immunology uh and in a way replaced it with virologists and

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virology the emphasis shifted from brilliant immune systems of human beings to the present

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situation which i think is that 72 shots are required in the united states of america to

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get to the age of five which is absolute nonsense so on the one hand you've got a respect

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for human beings and human species but on the other hand you've got no respect at all for

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what has been created this however it was created and we have to come along as mere human beings in

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a universe we can't even quantify with vaccinations in order for healthy children to survive to the

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age of five so i think it's really important if you're going to make a film about wuhan that

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you understand that there are people who are joining me in at least considering this possibility

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that actually no deadly viral pandemics are possible this wasn't a pandemic and what is

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more we don't need to be afraid of future pandemics which destroys the whole reason

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for the world health organization and all the rest of them i i just put it to i'm not uh

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disrespecting what you said i think it's very very easy to go down that route which they put about

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even through uh o'keith with the so-called sting operation which i don't think well it was a double

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bluff in my opinion and that was on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry and others unnamed um but

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anyway uh if you so i firstly i would certainly respect your opinion and your absolute right to

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say it and i wish we had several hours could we discuss this for a very long time it's something

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that's you know it really arose out of the debate between lamarck and others and pastor about

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whether it was the whether there was an infection or that was causing this or whether it was the

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terrain whether it was the human immune system that was in some way impaired and that debate

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raged and i think the answer is that both elements are true the way in which we respond to infectious

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agents depends upon the integrity of our immune system i've studied measles for 30 years now and

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in great detail and so i've come to the conclusion that yes viruses do exist and they have a unique

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and idiosyncratic pattern of signs symptoms and epidemic that um that mean that yes they are real

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uh but the one that we're dealing with was clearly at least in my opinion and opinion of many people

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something that was artifactual it was created it was man-made but you yeah notwithstanding that we

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could have a very interesting discussion about this for many hours maybe we can yes i would love

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to yes and and and i can bring in there's a biologist who you may know because he's connected

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now to uh robert kennedy jj cooey do you know him i don't i don't oh he's absolutely brilliant

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a free-thinking biologist who goes his own way doesn't want ally well he doesn't want allies

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but he wants um yes he he wants allies but he doesn't want to be uh partnered shall we say and

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i think that's the best way to go because this is something that requires original thoughts undiluted

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by anyone else in the case of you for example and in the case of jj cooey and and a few others who

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have been presented to us well many others actually um but anyway really nice to hear you

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and um such a fascinating story um and and but i'd like a if if we could have more time

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then in the future that would be great of course yes all right thank you steve roger okay we're

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going to be quick everybody so minimal minimal sure roger and show your faces if you can everybody

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just click on the stop video roger are you there you're muted you're muted roger

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i don't know whether joseph what about you there's something that you can't actually um

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i couldn't get my video to work by going online yeah charles so you need to tell all these people

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who can't unmute themselves in my opinion that they need to go to the bottom okay just a second

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um it doesn't it doesn't it's not an option roger should be able to do that let's go to

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we'll try mark steel no they need to go to the bottom left they can't unmute themselves by the

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usual means it was the same with me and that's what that is mark okay don't worry stephen okay

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right mark hi andrew hi yeah it's uh fantastic to meet andrew um obviously you're talking about

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wuhan wuhan had a switch on a 5g and we now know that the interconnection between all of the

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coronavirus symptoms was symptomatic of the exposure to electromagnetic radiation i said

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that very early on everybody said he's crazy it's not true unfortunately i've now got quite

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a lot of scientific substantiated evidence that shows that electromagnetic radiation is the main

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well it's identical to what they would say was the coronavirus um you know symptoms where you

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suffer pulmonary edema uh you know the the breathing difficulties all caused by electromagnetic

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radiation so there was this switch on in wuhan of the 5g network the chinese had already been

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vaccinated in november 2 19 with contamination in the vaccines and the vaccines had nano

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metamaterials actually inside the vaccines which that then allowed the 5g urban radar network to

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actually identify the victims and we saw the people in wuhan walking along the street and then

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basically just uh you know toppling over so i'm very very skeptical about the whole i'm not saying

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that you know your interpretation of a virus is what you believe it to be because that's exactly

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what it is however there's an environmental factor that causes the symptoms that you would

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see as a virus so you you'll identify a virus it's a bit like the ebbsdine bar virus if i hit

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somebody with 50 hertz that can cause what will be seen as a as a as the ebbsdine bar virus we're

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using the 50 hertz radiation part of the spectrum so we'll see this electromagnetic radiation

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basically an environmental pollutant that pollutes the system quick question we're not mark you've

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made the point have you got a question for Andy quick question about the film if you want to do

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a film on the wuhan you really do need to understand the electromagnetic radiation weapons

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program and the question i want to ask covered 19 as far as i'm aware was a biochemical weapons

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program that's now being injected into people's arms due to the contamination the nano metamaterial

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antennas that were now have identified in people's deltoids so if you just want to you know speak a

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bit more about that andrew as you know to understand you know what your perception is of that issue

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mark i can put um andrew in touch with you because i'd love to have a chat there's a far bigger

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there's a far bigger story about wuhan and there's a far bigger story actually running out across the

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world as we speak yeah no i again i thank you very much for that for sharing it i it's not a subject i

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know anything about i'm aware certainly on children's health defense there's been a great

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deal of discussion about 5g and its its effects on health and it's something i need to get up to

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speed with so um but thank you very much and i i will go away and and read it um and i i avoid

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talking about anything that i don't know anything about because that's not well marks an expert on 5g

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um so i can put you in touch with him if you like andrew you're very kind thank you all right roger

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andy um canadian pathologist here um pre-covid i trashed you and kennedy because of your theory

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and i'm now eating crow in public i profoundly apologize for any hurt i might have caused

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you you need to be complimented for your stand and the the the terrible consequences that you've

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undertaken my question is this um what is your opinion um on the relationship between childhood

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vaccination and sids well firstly thank you very much it was it was unnecessary and i appreciate

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it and you had given the the propaganda or the information that was put out in the mainstream

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media about me it would have been very difficult to come to any other conclusion that than i was

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guilty so i i hold no ill feeling no grudge whatsoever um sids the relationship between

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vaccines and sids particularly in the context of the dpt vaccine that the wholesale pertussis

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vaccine was was uh investigated by vera schreibner and her husband in australia and um they brought

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attention to the fact they were doing sleep studies and they found profound sleep apnea

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that coincided with vaccine dpt vaccine administration in babies it was not something

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they were looking for it was one of those observations and of course when they made it they

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got into terrible trouble and they've demonstrated to their own satisfaction a clear relationship

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between sids and vaccines i have there are so many cases now that they all will be they would

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be classified as anecdotal so many cases of children dying very soon after after vaccination

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sids where did sids come from healthy babies do not die they don't die um that would be a

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an evolutionary anomaly and a nightmare doesn't happen it so something and i strongly believe

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based upon the evidence particularly coming out of the vaccine adverse events reporting system in

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this country that there is an association and it is negligent not to fully investigate that

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association and take it from what is now a uh sort of passive reporting system to

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a proper randomized control trial or indeed a long-term follow-up study so i do believe

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based upon my own experience that there is a clear link between sids and vaccine administration

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precisely what the nature of that is i don't know but uh yeah i think that's my position thank you

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thank you thank you roger and thank you for your honesty joseph can you unmute yourself we can see

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you've shown your video you should be able to unmute everyone can unmute you haven't been blocked

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yeah go thanks so much for the chat andrew very very interesting um i wanted to ask sorry you've

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probably had this question a million times but um this relate just if you could just briefly talk

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about and just summarize if you can the um the original paper that what happened during the

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original paper within the lance it something i learned about a medical school um so i'd love

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to hear your your story uh with regards to that if you can summarize or if it's too much information

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perhaps you can just point me towards a reference uh documentary that i can go to and then let me

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try let me try and see where we get to um so the parents came to me with a story and the story was

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of onset of um cognitive deterioration into autism and gastrointestinal disturbances

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in children with autism bloating pain distension diarrhea or alternating constipation and diarrhea

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the sort of symptoms bleeding correct and the sort of symptoms that would have merited had the child

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not had autism thorough investigation to exclude chrome's disease or osteocolitis

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they were not being investigated because they had autism they were actually been actively

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uh discriminated against because of their autism so the doctors had said oh your child has these

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gi symptoms but they're just part of autism get over it put them in a home have another you know

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it was tragic so i brought together a team including the world's leading pediatric gastroenterologist

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at the time professor john walker smith and he decided that these clinical symptoms merited

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investigation that was his decision it was a decision to investigate these children on their

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clinical presentation by the world's leading pediatric gastroenterologist and his team

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and what we found when he did that was that these children had inflammatory bowel disease and so

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as you know the initial reports of novel human or potentially novel humans disease syndromes

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are anecdotal they are one case to 50 i mean crohn's was first described in what 12 cases 13

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cases aids in one case i mean this is how medical syndromes are first described that doesn't mean

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there's any causal relationship it's simply saying this is what we've observed this is what the

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parents have told us we're reporting it in order that this might be progressed

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we i felt very strongly that we could not censor the parents story they were right about the

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inflammatory bowel disease medicine had been wrong and we had a responsibility to at least report the

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parental association with regression following vaccination that was very very unpopular and

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um i so what we want these kinds of studies do these observational studies

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uh these case series is to promote the iterative process of science to then put it to the test in

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a randomized control in some kind of controlled setting where we're comparing children with

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autism without autism the vaccine histories all of these things that can be then examined in

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proper studies that was what the study said at the end it said this study does not prove an

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association that loads of causal association between the vaccine and the syndrome described

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further studies are required to clarify this this was taken by the media turned into wakefield

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claims mmr causes autism no i didn't we were quite clear it was a very sober paper when you read it

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a very sober paper about the possible association and the need for further investigation so that's

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that's what it was but there was a an intense desire to put an end to this

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work once and for all and unfortunately that's what happened now the sorry the gastrointestinal

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link with autism has been reproduced in multiple papers worldwide if you want to look any up then

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look up kriegsman a kriegsman he was a pediatric gastroenterologist in in new york at mount

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sinai hospital so please look up arthur kriegsman and you'll see many references to the work that

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he and others have done at wake forest on this subject thank you thank you thank you

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we're going to keep moving joseph because we're tight but thank you great question joseph

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leonard let's go unmute yourself leonard

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you might you might have to go to the bottom left of your screen leonard as i did

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bear with me one second i'm just going to see if these people are right

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leonard should be able to unmute bottom left screen they're not here yet beautiful

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leonard you're good now go for it

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leonard you're unmuted would you turn it in mind sorry it just while we're waiting for leonard i

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had a i had a question from a colleague which was simply about um if you received money when you

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went to or if you received a payoff when you went to the states it was a colleague who suggested

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this that um that may have been true or not so just wanted to clarify if that was the case if

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that's okay sorry you know someone once said there some some pediatrician said the other

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day wakefield confessed to his sins and is in prison i'm sorry to laugh but i

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i know can you hear me no not been in prison and no there was i have received no payoff well i

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was actually um i i was the dean of the medical school and the professor of medicine came to me

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one day the professor of medicine and his colleagues and said you no longer form part of the future of

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my department i had i had tenure at the hospital i am the tenured physician um but no i had to go

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and so i had no job i had nothing i so i moved to the united states on the basis that if i was going

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to progress this work anywhere in the world it would be in the united states of america and uh

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because it couldn't be done in england by virtue of the the very constrained structure of of medical

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funding i would never have got medical funding to to funding for research to do this work so

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oh there was no payoff in fact quite the opposite i was uh i was kind of financially destitute at

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that point um because were you the dean of st mary's medical school me no no no no no i was uh

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i never would have wanted it no this was at the royal free hospital and the dean was professor

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harry zuckerman um no i was i ran a research team there i was a oh i see the department of medicine

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wow thank you thank you andrew um shawls can you hear me now yes we can and andrew uh i have you

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i've watched or followed your your journey for a long time since that i'll call it infamous bbc

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documentary where you were put in front of a lynch mob and at the time that you were raising your

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concerns about autism i was working on alternatives to vaccines or sustainable

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alternatives to vaccines have you come across host defense peptides or antimicrobial peptides

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as part of an eight immune function i have um not in the context of using them to

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mitigate disease prevent disease but um i've certainly heard of them it's it's a field that's

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moved on considerably since i i left medical and research practice okay and can i say that these

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amps are their first line of defense and they combine with a pathogen either bacteria

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or virus to produce an antigen complex which is the focus of a targeted antibody response

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okay this is something i've been working for since 1999 um have you ever come across a gentleman of

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the name of rolf zinkenagel professor he was awarded a nobel prize for in medicine in in

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96 i actually lectured to rolf zinkenagel and his group many years ago about the subject about

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the subject of vaccines and autism yeah i was uh i was immensely impressed by dr zinkenagel

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that's that's fantastic can i say that i met him in 2006 um at a conference on autoimmune diseases

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in kerlinsky institute and i um i got into conversation with him and he um he asked if

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my idea worked i was working on antimicrobial peptides and how they could treat a number of

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different diseases and i sent him a review was a 20 page review with 126 references and he

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he said it's following new ideas if we have in common that you've worked with zinkenagel you have

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respect for him i would very much dearly like to tell you about how what my work has been i'm an

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independent scientist in uk um been refused all let's let's if you send an email send me an email

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and i'll pass it to um andy i promised yeah and there's another one have you come across il10

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yes absolutely we did a bunch of work on il10 i have some interesting data on that with covid

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and again new sustainable approaches safe alternatives when you when you were when bobby

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kennedy was speaking about was he an anti-vaxxer if you can speak of a equivalent vaccine strategy

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which is safe would that be a helpful position to be in so if i think you could argue absolutely

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you could argue if you can present me with a vaccine that is safe genuinely completely safe

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and effective works then that is a very interesting possibility at the moment we don't have that for

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any of the vaccines so so so yes it's not that i would endorse it or that i would personally take

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it but it makes you know if it is genuinely safe and effective which none of them are then we're

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in a very different position um guys i've my meeting has just arrived so i better love you

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and leave you and andrew thank you for your time my pleasure it's great to be on and i will join

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you again yes please andrew can i can i so the people who've got their hands up uh watch out for

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for another announcement about another meeting with andrew i just wanted to ask you andrew

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because it's important we haven't got much time maybe um james patrick do you know him he's a

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filmmaker and he made the brilliant documentary planet lockdown on a shoestring budget i think

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you too yeah yeah no i know him well yeah he in fact he provided the footage for the

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infertility film i made with bobby kennedy yes indeed interesting and by the way i think we

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were interrupted by our friend or our enemy um when you mentioned the word infertility

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right i wonder if that was uh yes and i've been focusing more and more on that

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because if you want to kill uh populations around the world you need to attack fertility

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and there's great plausible deniability because of the delay so right you think

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i better go thank you so much for having me on thank you so much yes bye thank you

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thank you ruffley field god bless