this show on the road, welcome everybody to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International
and today's meeting. This group was founded over four years ago by Stephen Frost, a British
trained medical doctor. At this time we remember two lawyers unlawfully incarcerated, a matter
dear to Alex's heart of Arno van Kessel and Ryan Ofolmik both unlawfully jailed. We call on
their immediate release and in the invitation and in the show notes you will see details about Ryan
Ofolmik. We also remind you of the Buttonheart Bear, part of the Forever Freedom movement,
designed to free children forever from being trafficked for sex and slavery. Millions of
children a year are trafficked. The Buttonheart Bear is a way to be able to talk about the horrors
of child trafficking. 10 years ago when people brought, or 15 years ago when people first brought
the issue of child trafficking to my attention and pedophilia problems, I said you are a conspiracy
theorist. Isn't that wonderful how we all grow up? Anyway, I'm Charles Covess, your moderator based
here in Australia and after 20 years as a lawyer, after 20 years as a lawyer I've changed career to
be a professional speaker like Alex Maier. Our guest today now is, and for the past 14 years,
I've guided parents and lawyers in addressing vaccine injuries and medical failures. This group
comprises professions from all sorts of professions from all around the world. Many of us once viewed
vaccines as benign, now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers with pride awakened to
new realities. And I bring to your attention for the purpose of the recording Gavin De Becker's
wonderful book Forbidden Facts. I recommend it. You can also listen to Gavin De Becker in a
two and a half hour conversation with Joe Rogan. This is a brilliantly resourced book, not thick,
enjoyable read and if any of you want to introduce the facts to anybody about the horrors of
vaccines that have never once ever in the history of humanity been proven to be safe and effective,
then this book is a wonderful tool for you. We're in the thick of a global struggle. We call it
World War III with medical and scientific battles among 12 battle fronts. Another is the legal
battlefront and as a lawyer I've been closely involved with that and Alex as well and the
Rainer Formick said the courts are hopelessly corrupted. I'd say they're not hopelessly
corrupted, they're majority corrupted and we call on judges to understand the horrors of what's
being imposed on their grandchildren from judges from all around the world to properly apply the
law. This group also is fighting for truth, ethics, justice, freedom and proper application
of law. We're five and a half years into this World War III and we've got at least two more
years to go and so stay healthy, stay strong, be up for the fight and no saying to yourself you're
tired. We'll hear from our guest presenter Alex Meyer from California. I'll introduce her in a
moment followed by question and answer. Per tradition Stephen Frost opens the questioning
for the first 15 minutes. This is a free speech haven and what that means is if anyone is offended
by what Alex or I or anybody says own it, it's your problem. We don't shut up because someone
might be offended. Similarly we don't shut up because someone might be triggered.
We choose love over fear. Fear binds and sickens and squashes and depresses. If your life is
consumed by fear you will be depressed. On the other hand love liberates, heals and inspires
and the essence of love is giving. First you give, then you get the rewards.
These twice weekly gatherings are far from mere talk. They've birthed many real world actions and
alliances. A key tactic in our fight is exposing medical crimes on social media,
rallying behind the demand crafted by John Rappaport of Medical Truth Now. That's what we want,
Medical Truth Now and that book by Gavin De Becker is another tool in that slogan, in that saying,
in that movement. We're thrilled to welcome again Alex Meyer. I think this is the third time you're
presenting to us Alex. That's pronounced M-A-Y-E-A as you will see from the show notes and let me
introduce this wonderful, wonderful woman to you. She's a woman I'm told, you know, even though our
sex discrimination commissioner in Australia says, oh I can't define what a woman is.
Well that's the fraud that we're dealing with everybody. I've never had a problem
defining or identifying a woman now. So Alex Meyer, MBA. Alex in 1996, just three years after
I stopped being a lawyer, so that's 29 years ago, I was running a worldwide research group for Apple
Inc. when she got six vaccines, six. In fact I'm advising somebody in California right now who lives
in Carlsbad who's about to get a yellow fever vaccine because he wants to go to Kenya for a
holiday. Anyways Alex, I'll talk to you about that later, but Alex got six vaccines in 1996 for a
vacation and became disabled, brain damaged and lost her career. Now substantially recovered,
she's board chair and president of Free Now Foundation. Alex if you could put that link in
the chat please, Free Now Foundation, the leading medical freedom law non-profit in California.
Alex formerly served on the Children's Health Defense Board, co-founded and served as chairman
of CHD's most successful chapter in California, helping raise in excess of five million dollars
and served on Bobby Kennedy Jr.'s Presidential Campaign Finance Committee, raising hundreds of
thousands for Bobby's campaign. In 2022 she won the Golden Bear Award and a presentation she gave to
Joe McCollough was named best of interview. Alex Meyer grew up in the Oscar Meyer family and his
degree from Duke, a BA from Duke Uni and MBA from Northwestern. Today she's going to be talking to
us about the sorry state of medical freedom in California, the sorry state of medical freedom in
California, how it got that way and what we are doing about it and I won't describe what that topic
is because you have read about it and it's in the show notes, but it's in the show notes.
And there was a sentence I wanted to, yes, about Free Now Foundation, I wanted to say that it's
California's leading medical freedom law non-profit with lawsuits to end mandates and while we still
have mandates to expand exemptions, Free Now Foundation's past suits stopped illegal COVID
shot mandates at kindergarten to year 12 schools, stopped colleges from medical discrimination of
students, forced Gavin Newscum to backtrack on his Dr. Gag Order Bill and exposed corruption at
county boards of supervisors. Alex, thank you so much for taking time out of your busy schedule at
noon in LA to come and be with us, to inspire us, to educate us and to make sure that we do the work
that needs to be done and you are free to share your screen and we look forward to hearing from
you. Thank you so much Charles, it's great to be back on your show, I love your show, I love the
in-depth interviews that you do and Stephen, thank you so much also for co-hosting and welcoming me
back here again and thank you to, I'll use your nickname, SFE for recommending me for today's
show, I really appreciate it and I don't have a lot of slides for today's show because I was just
asked yesterday but boy is there a lot of stuff going on in California that I think the world needs
to know about because this is what's coming, this is going to spread from California like wildfire
if we don't do something about it and luckily we are doing something about it but it's not good.
So where I'd like to start is with the fact that California is now the only state in the United
States with a public health department vaccine dictatorship and that's the end of the story but
I'm going to start there so you know I'm going to take you back in history in California to
2011-ish and then go forward to how we got this way because it's quite the story and it's the story
of an incremental taking of our rights year by year and in fact there's kind of a four-year pattern
here in California where the legislators get together and they get together to take away
vaccine rights from the parents about every four years so let me start with that and the reason
we're a public health department dictatorship here in California is because the public health
department is in charge for enforcement of the mandates, the vaccine mandates so children can
go to school here in California and now because of a new law that Governor Newsom signed into law
last month now the public health department sets its own vaccination schedule also. They've cut out
the CDC, they've cut out the advisory committee on immunization practices otherwise known as ACIP,
they've cut out any kind of citizen involvement in the process. Literally the public health
department is deciding on their own vaccination schedule now in California and that starts with
the schedule as it was with the CDC, the CDC recommended schedule in January of 2025 and that
schedule included COVID shots on the recommended schedule and as we talked about right before the
show began, COVID shots are no longer on the recommended schedule by the CDC. They've been
moved down one level to doctor-patient decision making and that's a lower level where insurance
is not supposed to cover those shots and they're no longer mandatory nationwide but in California
they're still on the schedule because they're still on this schedule that only California has
and it's it's quite ridiculous. So I'm going to talk to you about how that started and if we want
to do a part two on this show after I talk about the California situation, I have a graphic that I
was using way back in 2020 and 2021 that's so relevant now to explain what happened to Reiner
Feumich, like how over target he was and why he's being abused and was kidnapped and jailed and
imprisoned and sentenced in Germany and obviously it has nothing to do with trying to make sure the
long arm of the government didn't get into his non-profit and take the the donations that he'd
received. It has nothing to do with that as we all know that's a pretense but if you're interested
after I talk about the California story I'm going to talk to you about why I think they went after
Reiner Feumich because it was an analysis I did right before he came on the scene and my jaw hit
the ground when I saw him talk about the PCR test because I knew that if we were going to be most
effective when we were locked down that all of our legal dollars could be spent just fighting the PCR
test in court and that's all we would have needed to do. We wouldn't have needed any other lawsuits
around COVID or lockdowns just that and if you're interested I can show you why I came to that
conclusion. Okay so we are certainly we are certainly interested so you know you can do
both if you feel like it okay because as you know we can ask questions for a long time so
yeah usually please do both because they're both so relevant to what we're the tyranny that we're
dealing with. Okay so let me start with California and then I'll jump into my analysis about lawsuits
around the PCR test and Reiner Feumich after that. So California since 1961 was a soft mandate state
and what a soft mandate is is there was a mandate that was instituted in 1961 so that school
children were supposed to get you know a certain subset of vaccines compared to what they have to
get today. It was probably measles actually in 61 that was before the measles vaccine was on the
scene so it was probably tetanus pertussis smallpox polio that was probably it. So fast forward about
50 years and they started to change this I mean it was really nothing happened nothing significant
happened in California with infectious illness since 1961 and they had to manufacture a crisis
to start changing things dramatically but let me let me go back um and so that was 2015 but let me
start in 2011. So 2011 is when the things first started to change in California they started to
take away parental rights around vaccination in 2011 and what happened in 2011 this is absolutely
absurd. It was governor brown who was the governor of California at the time and the legislature
passed a bill saying that children as young as 12 were capable of reading package inserts for
vaccinations and to decide if the risk and benefit of certain vaccines benefited them or maybe
wouldn't benefit them 12 year olds okay and this was only for a couple vaccines at the time because
this law applied only to sexually transmitted infections or kind of like sexual health things.
So the two vaccines that fell into that category in 2011 were the human papilloma virus vaccine HPV
vaccine made by it's called Gardasil made by Merck. Supposed to prevent cervical cancer but we know
it doesn't and then the other one was the hepatitis b vaccine so at that point 12 year olds were allowed
to make their own vaccination decisions without parental involvement for those two vaccines and
what was so absurd at the time in 2011 governor brown signed into law another bill at the very
same time that anyone under 18 in California was not capable of going to a tanning bed because they
couldn't determine whether or not they were going to get burned by the tanning machine or not but a
child as young as 12 could make vaccination decisions around HPV and hepatitis b vaccines.
So the absurdity began there in my opinion and then nothing happened for four years because
things happen every four years roughly in California in terms of taking away vaccination rights.
So 2015 rolls around and our legislature introduces a bill to remove something called the personal
belief exemption. Now there's a whole lot of political agenda around this and I'm going to
talk to you about what happened at this point in 2014 in December there was a supposed outbreak
of measles in Disneyland in California so that became national news because Disneyland is
somewhere people travel to from all over the country all over the world and so with that
supposed measles outbreak people could get it and carry it to anywhere in the world so it was a huge
crisis in December 2014. Well 2015 rolls around and lo and behold the legislators in California
introduce a bill to remove the personal belief exemption around vaccination and the way this
had functioned before under the soft mandate was that you would just go to the school nurse you'd
ask for the blue card and then you turn over the blue card and you'd sign it and say you know it's
my personal belief that I don't think vaccines would be beneficial for my children and that's
that and that was considered a soft mandate. Nobody ever told you about it you had to know
about the law but that was how easy it was to get your kids out of vaccinations as late as 2014.
But 2015 rolls around California legislature introduces this bill and I'm telling you I've
never seen anything like it. I have I wasn't too involved in the legislative process until then but
this totally stunned me. There were thousands and thousands of parents going to the Capitol
multiple times a week to protest against this bill you know every committee hearing we were up there
for the floor votes we were up there and they rammed this thing through they didn't care at all
what the California parents said. We met with the legislators we met with their staffers and they
just didn't care it was like talking to a brick wall and it was it was a political agenda I mean
you could tell it was a political agenda and so what that left us with was no personal belief
exemption anymore so that covered religious exemptions and also just kind of the general
personal belief exemption that I told you about with the blue card but what it also did it also
narrowed the medical exemption for vaccination to only be things that were recognized by the
advisory committee and immunization practices and it's very narrow so a prior allergic reaction to
a vaccine would mean that maybe you could get a medical exemption and that was that was pretty
much it at the time it was very very narrow but we could still get medical exemptions and
our children could go to school with a medical exemption written by a doctor.
So what happened in the next four years was also very interesting in 2019 in Oregon there was a
measles outbreak also and then lo and behold a few months later the Oregon legislature put and
Washington put forward bills to take away parental rights around the measles mumps rubella vaccine
just a few months after their outbreak but this one was different because there's a whistleblower
and the whistleblower was at the public health department of Oregon and he wrote a an email or
text to my friend JB Hanley and JB lives in Oregon and this is on his sub stack you can go to JB
Hanley blog.substack.com and you can find this note from the whistleblower and this hasn't been
adjudicated in court but it was so specific that is very believable and he said that this was a fake
outbreak manufactured to get the legislators and public consent to pass this bill. So all of our
suspicions about California's outbreak being faked were fueled a whole lot more when we found out
about the fakery in 2019 in Oregon and of course the same thing happened there they pushed through
a bill and all of a sudden parents had no more say anymore around the MMR vaccine and it was
mandatory for children to get that to go to school there. So then something else happened in 2019 as
well and that was that our legislators again four years later they introduced another bill this one
was called SB 276 the one before it in 2015 was called SB 277 so they're not in the right numerical
order but this is SB 276 in 2019 and that one got us partially to where we are today and that is
that they narrowed the medical exemption for children to go to school in California. So what
they did first of all they said that you have to have a California licensed medical doctor or DO
write the medical exemption it can't be a doctor outside of California it can't be any other
specialty it has to be an ND or a DO only and that medical exemption has to go into a database
which I like to call the anti-vaxxer database the real name of it is called CARE-ME California
immunization registry dash ME and so the doctor has to register for that so the doctor gets on a list
which I would assume is an anti-vaxxer list when the doctor signs up for that database but the
doctor has to do that to enter the medical exemption in the system and then the medical
exemption goes in the system under penalty of perjury to the doctor which carries a jail term
of six months can you imagine and if the doctor writes more than four medical exemptions they can
be under investigation and lose their license so they've completely intimidated doctors out of
writing medical exemptions they're gone nobody will write a medical exemption anymore in California
it's just impossible they've been bullied out of it so anybody who gets a doctor to do that they
get their exemption in in this CARE-ME system the anti-vaxxer database and that pops up to our
department of public health and then what the department of public health does is they've
looked at every medical exemption we know of and they blanket deny all of them it's basically the
boot of bureaucracy stamping down and saying no this one's not valid either it doesn't meet the
standard no medical exemption has ever met the standard as far as our department of public health
is concerned in California and then what happens in the database is the school who is considering
whether or not the student can go to that school sees the result of the review from the health
department in the database and it's always a no and so then the school's job is is to enforce this
and be the police and tell the student that that's and the parents that that student cannot come to
school until they comply with vaccination now so this is a de facto mandate in California of more
than 30 vaccinations to go to school 30 doses of 10 different vaccines it's it's absolutely
an abomination it is a violation of due process rights on five different levels and we're we're
doing something about this we um we filed a lawsuit it's called our due process lawsuit that alleges
the five violations of due process in California and we are arguing that the harms of vaccination
are well documented and therefore we cannot have mandates so this case is designed to end
mandates in in America we've filed it in a federal court in California so a decision there would have
national implications we actually don't expect to win at the district federal court level we expect
to lose and we're waiting for our decision in that right now we expect to appeal that um if we
lose we'll appeal that to the ninth circuit court of appeals and if we lose that we're going to
apply to the supreme court so they can hear that case but wherever the decision is made it's going
to be in a federal court and what we're arguing is basically that you the judges cannot use Jacobson
anymore to justify mandates and Jacobson is this old case from 1905 that a lot of you i'm sure are
familiar with it was about small smallpox and there was a guy with the last name Jacobson
and he'd been injured by the smallpox vaccine so he didn't want to get it and so he went to court
and it was decided that Jacobson could pay a five dollar fine and not get the smallpox vaccine so
that was that was the gist of the decision but of course the courts today never look at that and say
okay well somebody can pay the equivalent of equivalent of a five dollar fine and get out of
a vaccination but that was the actual ruling at the time the other thing about it is that it was
considered common knowledge common knowledge that the smallpox vaccine was both safe and effective
and it was the common knowledge of the state that that was the standard the state's common knowledge
now that's not a standard that would fly today because we need an accumulation of the evidence
and the weight of the scientific evidence is what would replace common knowledge from 1905 so it
doesn't apply to today's vaccinations for a number of reasons number one this was about smallpox
vaccine number two this was a case based on common knowledge of the state and our standard as i said
is totally different today so we're arguing arguing that Jacobson cannot apply and literally
that's the only case judges have used to justify mandates and so once Jacobson is dismissed as a
case that can be referenced to justify mandates we won't have mandates anymore and we're also as
i said alleging five different violations of due process in the whole vaccine scheme in California
so what's interesting about California is our courts are are not great for our issues obviously
because California is what I like to call absurdistan and the courts are part of that
but we have the best plaintiffs meaning that the plaintiffs are in like some of the worst situations
you can possibly imagine but they make really good plaintiffs for our cases for the success of our
cases and i'm going to tell you about one plaintiff actually there's a mom and i'm not going to give
any identifying information at her request we actually had to go through a whole other phase
of this due process lawsuit before we could go forward to hide the identities even of the parents
because they're so worried about being targeted at these schools and the retribution that can
happen to them if they were found out so you you are not going to believe what happened to this mom
and her son so her son is very vaccine injured he's got some learning issues he's got some speech
issues and he should be able to get something called an IEP that's called an individualized
education plan and that would also be called special ed it basically means you get extra time
you get extra help in the classroom and a lot of kids with speech issues get those in fact the
majority of them do so he shouldn't be any different but they're denying this child his IEP
and what that means is that without an IEP he can't be exempt from vaccination that's the only way
you can go to school public school in California without vaccinations is to have an IEP which means
you have a learning learning issue that requires extra help or extra time in the classroom so
they're not giving that to him even though he deserves it and there's a reason for that
they know that this child is not going to be getting further vaccinations so they keep denying
him entry the mom took him to school not once not twice but three times and the third time
she brought a witness and they recorded it and she said my son is here to go to school
and they wouldn't let her son go to school in this California school and then it got even worse
it got so much worse the other shoe dropped and the school turned everything around on the mother
and accused her of truancy for keeping her son out of school and that carries jail time of six
months as well can you imagine the pressure this mother is under right now with jail time potentially
looming over her head and she is standing strong and she's a lead plaintiff in our due process case
so that we we feel that she is a great representation of of how the current laws are so wrong and so
unlawful and are being used as a weapon against students who cannot have further vaccination
so that's what's going on in our due process case let me see okay so i was at 2019
okay but it gets worse how could things get any worse we've got a de facto vaccine mandate for
children to attend public school in California for 30 doses of vaccines there's no outs it's a
designed to fail medical exemption system so that's bad enough then in September Governor
Newsom signs into law AB 144 well what would AB 144 do it creates a California only vaccination
schedule so what that means is they've sealed the vaccination schedule as a starting point
to January 2025 which as i said in the beginning includes COVID shots it includes COVID shots now
COVID shots currently are not on the school schedule that's actually a different schedule
that's a subset of the CDC schedule but since now the public health department is the only entity
that can change that schedule and enforce the schedule i wouldn't be surprised if they moved
to put the COVID shots on the school schedule for students in California again it's not currently
on the schedule but i would not be surprised if they did that so where does that get us today
that means parents have no say in the in the decision making process of which shots are on
the children's schedule and which are not it's all up to the department of public health and the
department of public health enforces the vaccine mandate so what what Newsom did is create an entire
vaccine dictatorship in our public health department here in California and it's absolutely
absurd it's draconian it's it's medical tyranny and the people of California are not going to
stand for this we're not going to stand for this and the good thing is that our due process
lawsuit is way way out ahead of this and so you know obviously it's already in process we have
another lawsuit we're just dotting the i's and crossing the t's on it to attack this a different
way while we still have mandates we're trying to expand the number of exemptions children can get
so this lawsuit is based on a new exemption it's called the ADA waiver it's based on the
Americans with Disabilities Act and what that means is that someone with a disability as defined
by the amendment to the ADA from 2008 is someone who has any condition that's lasted longer than
six months eczema allergies a sore knee any conditions that's long lasted longer than six
months is considered a disability even blood disorders are considered a disability now under
the ADA and so a parent who feels that vaccines would exacerbate that condition and further harm
their child can go get an evaluation through a group called frontlinehealthadvocates.com
and they get an evaluation from an out-of-state medical doctor now how would that work in the
California system when they require an in-state medical doctor well because the ADA is federal
and state law cannot trump the federal ADA law so under ADA there's no clause that the doctor has
to be limited to a doctor in your state if you've got a rare condition how how could the ADA mandate
that your doctor be in your state and you find that rare condition doctor in your state or you
don't or you don't get care it's it's ridiculous so under the ADA these medical doctors are mostly
out of out of California they're non-California doctors they evaluate somebody for a disability
under the ADA and then if they qualify then they pass that file along to Americans with Disability
Act specialist lawyers and they write a letter to the school saying that the child is exempt under
the ADA now the schools the public schools are going into conniption fits and all they can say
is like that's got to go and care ME they're you know they turn all robotic that's got to go in the
care ME database the anti-vaxxer database but that's not true because this is a federal law and our
legislators forgot about the ADA when they were making this new law about the care ME database
so public schools tend not to accept it private schools are accepting it it's down to maybe about
half of private schools in California now accepting the ADA waiver so it is working but our lawsuit
is going to say that the ADA has supremacy over state law and all schools have to accept the ADA
waiver so that's another way forward for any child with a true ADA disability who needs to
go to school without further vaccination so we're really excited about that lawsuit as well I feel
like we're going to file it any day now and I've read the complaint it is so strong it is it's
really amazing we've partnered with this ADA law firm and our attorney Jessica Barsotti who's done
a lot of our successful suits in the past is going to be the attorney of record in California and so
between the two law groups this complaint is it's unbelievable I'm such a law geek now I love
reading our complaints but we're really optimistic about that case as well because you really you
can't go against the ADA one thing I want to say also about this ADA waiver is that when you work
with frontline health advocates to get evaluated for one and you get one if the school rejects it
then included in the fee you pay which is less than $500 you get a second letter if you need it
from the ADA attorneys and that goes directly to the school and it says hey listen number one
you've discriminated against a student and number two you violated the ADA don't you want to let the
student in now and surprisingly the public schools keep saying no the private schools get scared and
tend to take it so that's where we are in terms of a couple of our lawsuits to change the situation
in California and yeah literally we're in a public health department dictatorship in California
because of all these incremental changes to vaccination law incrementally taking vaccination
rights away from parents roughly every four years here in California so I'll pause there and see if
there are any questions very good Alex attorney Borsodi do you spell her name B-O-R-S-O-D-I
Borsodi B-A-R-S-O-T-T-I and thank you first name Jessica very good um the question while people
are getting their minds around Stephen getting his mind around questions on this first part
we'll do Ryan a full making PCR test later what are your strategies for dealing with biased
and or corrupt judges in the California system and and and while you're answering that I'm
for an Australian it's it's amazing to me the judges are elected in some US states are they elected
by the people in California at the lower levels um that's a good question I'm not a lawyer um
I know the federal judges are appointed and I think the judge in our federal district case was
a Biden appointee he's Judge Calabretta um and attorneys general when I was in America I saw
these ads vote for so-and-so as your local judge I thought wow yeah well I know AGs are elected
in some states I don't I think the AG in California is actually appointed but I can't remember but
it's different in every state okay so so what's what's how do you handle this problem because
it's a problem in Australia and as Ryan a full mix says it's a problem right around the world
certainly in the western world and certainly in the UK it's a disaster yeah it's it's a huge
problem literally there's nothing we can do about it literally nothing we just have these plaintiffs
with absolutely egregious situations and we just hope what what the best combination is to actually
lose in California federal courts and take these great plaintiff situations out of the state that
is that would be the best scenario to get to the supreme court yeah yeah well I understand
the faster you can get there the better all right Stephen the frost first questions to you
so um Alex thanks for coming to speak to us at short notice as well saved us um and um that's
my fault by the way I'm going to um yeah take my mind off the ball but anyway um how is it that all
these frauds you know you're talking about the um regulatory possibilities for doctors closing down
at one stage and then there are other frauds as you know you know there are frauds everywhere how
is it that they're not considered criminal yeah it's all is criminal exactly I mean really I mean
if you think about it this is I mean it's it's almost a rico case but you know that's that's a
different animal but yes why why can't you bring a rico case um we have talked about it it's a
totally different animal and I wouldn't be surprised if um we went forward with a rico case at some
point because this is collusion and it's it's a grand con on it is yeah it is a racket it is a racket
yeah I couldn't agree more so I will be exploring that more it's come up a number of times with our
lawyers and I get really excited about the possibility but we don't have a case around
that right now it's it's a totally different animal but I I do I do love that angle yeah so
are them so when so looking at the whole of the United States are there many rico cases brought
up or everybody thinks about it but no one ever does it no yeah isn't that interesting I remember
when I was at Children's Health Defense we were going to bring a rico case and um it never it
never happened but you know I can explain a little more about that when I when I do my seven levels
of COVID fraud and talk about how that relates to Reiner Feilmick also so is that self-censorship or
is it um lawyers fees advised by lawyers that you won't succeed or is that what goes on how
I do so everybody's thinking about rico cases I remember three years ago we were talking about
them and I was thinking why not you know and there were other people very enthusiastic and then
nothing happened as far as I know there hasn't been one has there yeah as far as I know there
has not been one also um so someone like Tom Renz why why you know why don't you contact him
and ask him because he's pretty up for it yeah that's a great idea I love Tom that's a great idea
yeah I think I need to reach outside of California for some more specialist lawyers who specialize
in that I think it just it's an issue of connecting with the right legal team who's got expertise in
rico so it seems to me that you know if you play the game according to what they expect
you're going to lose but if you bring a rico case then the outcome is very uncertain I would think
right but for both sides maybe but someone needs to have the courage to do it
in my I mean I'm not American but yeah I've got the courage I'm in this um until we win
I've got the courage I just need the funding and the right legal team and if it's if it's a viable
way forward if a rico case is meritorious I'm I'm totally behind it well I had a conversation
with Tom Renz about a case a possibility of a case and he was up for it and it was pretty kind of
asymmetric shall we say you know asymmetric warfare so I'm sure he'd be up for a rico case
okay well will you connect me with him Stephen oh you don't know I'm not connected with him I
know who he is um but no I'll connect you um amazing thank you I better write it down otherwise
I'll forget um so I think we've got to be you can see with Trump you know whatever you think of
Trump he's incredibly creative um and um he people don't know what he's going to do next even his own
family as far as I can see and and so um but I think you're never we're never going to win if
we're too predictable right right so anyway um how oh yes how many lawsuits have you got going
at the moment your organization uh we have the due process lawsuit where we're waiting for a decision
and as I said we're about to file the ADA lawsuit um we just took on a hospital homicide lawsuit
that we'll file in 2026 that's another really sad story and we're waiting for a decision still in
a masking case in a school from when we were locked down and and how many cases did you bring
which came to a conclusion in the last five years or um we had um not every case had a judgment but
our cases in particular on colleges forced them to do the right thing because they were embarrassed
by their policies so much in the press so um those those suits are awesome because you don't need to
even get to a judgment um they just get embarrassed and do the right thing yeah sure yeah like
Loyola Marymount University they were segregating students um in their housing by vaccination
status and they also indicated vaccination status with armbands and so why do you think it is that
the universities are so sensitive to public opinion um that's what I've gathered from what
you just said and and the public health um authorities are not sensitive at all and just
plow on you know with their with their tyranny why why is the difference I think because people
um pay privately to go to university so they have to pay attention a little more to public opinion
than let's say like a public k-12 school where um you know children are entitled to a free and
public education and then and the public schools they also need they they need their dollars per
student per day so they they do like to keep the children in school but for some reason the one
the one disqualifier is if the kids don't have vaccines then they don't care about the dollars
per student per day it's that insane yeah but alex is not just about money is that you did
I think you said that the universities the people at the universities were embarrassed by the crazy
situation how is it that the public health people aren't embarrassed or are they bureaucrats
through and through always being bureaucrats they're just they're just bureaucrats and you know when
they came into power they were they were just power tripping over everybody they've never had
such power and they didn't have the expertise to be making these decisions they were making I mean
I remember um you know our public health officer in Santa Clara county here in California it was
Sarah Cody and she just retired because she was under so much fire and she was the lockdowns in
Santa Clara county which includes Silicon Valley were were absolutely insane they even filed the
fine the church I go to 4.2 million dollars for staying open when we were locked down and they
find they find the church I think five thousand dollars for every hug they counted in the parking
lot and for every case of singing too close to somebody else in every case of somebody not
wearing a mask in the church and the pastor of great respect for him and his name is Mike McClure
and he one day walked out in the public health department goons were all around the parking lot
and peering through binoculars through a chain link fence from a church next door and he just
handed them a tape measure and said just want to make sure you're measuring six feet accurately
so he would not stand down and now those fines have been chopped down to still a million dollars
but that was all under Sarah Cody and her draconian policies where you know liquor stores
and strip clubs were open but people couldn't go to church and so I was talking to Jay Bhattacharya
who also lives in Silicon Valley and I was talking to him about the PCR test I said how do these
public health officers included Sarah Cody do they really take every case in the PCR test
is at face value because that's just not true like when you sequence the results which is the
FDA gold standard that you're supposed to do on any PCR positive you know it's as much as like
90 percent false positives like how in the world is she taking these all these PCR cases as positive
and Jay Bhattacharya looked at me and said Alex you know more about the PCR test than Sarah Cody
and most doctors at Stanford I thought how can that be I'm just I'm an MBA and it didn't take
very much for me to learn about the PCR test I mean are these people willfully ignorant
and I just think they were power tripping I mean just to not even look into the PCR test
it just it just fuels their their power to do what they did to us and Sarah Cody she was part of the
CDC program called EIS epidemic intelligence services before she was in Santa Clara County
that's the CIA of the CDC so she was put in Santa Clara County for a reason and I think it was a
very high value county because in Santa Clara where we have all these Silicon Valley companies
like the Mag-7 are here most of the Mag-7 are here you know you can shut down all the small businesses
and the county's not going to lose that much tax revenue because they have the Mag-7 a lot of the
Mag-7 right in the area continuing to be open and pay their taxes so it was just a very high value
county and especially because you know these are the companies that are building our digital prison
for us as well so it's quite the powerful position to be in if you were Sarah Cody and I don't think
they wanted to give that up yeah what's the name of the I can't believe I've forgotten it the the
guy who died allegedly in 2019 August of 2000 he um he was the guy who yeah Kerry Mullis yeah so
Kerry Mullis the art test Kerry Mullis himself who won a Nobel Prize for his discovery in 1983 he won
it in 93 10 years later right well he died in August 2019 and I don't I think he in particular
he had to be dead when what happened in 2020 so you're in California and he died in California
I believe I can't remember where it was yeah I think he lived in Santa Cruz yeah and his wife
quickly shut down all kind of um and they did the same thing they're absolutely unashamed these
people you know behind big conspiracies they did the same thing with David Kelly uh Janice Kelly
the wife closed down everything on behalf of the British government in the investigation of his
death as far as we were concerned so I was involved in that but um so as far as I can see she did the
same thing with her husband you know if she's wrong it's the ultimate betrayal even if she's
done it intentionally you know to kind of quickly say oh there's nothing to see here he died of
whatever it was pneumonia um in 2019 August 2019 when the pcr test was absolutely central to what
they did in 2020 exactly and he was saying um he was saying my uh technique must but must not pcr
technique that is polymerase chain reaction um so that technique must not be used in uh in a
diagnostic test for a viral illness that's right yeah he said it was a lab amplification technique
it was not to be used for diagnosis and he was shouting about Fauci um um Fauci doesn't know
anything about anything and I've asked to debate him um you know I've offered to debate him he
won't do it you know he was really going for Fauci uh hated him clearly I've seen him talking about
him and um so I think another asymmetric technique might be to uh start uh raising
awareness of when Kerry Mullis died because he died in California that's right and also well you
know you might not want to do it yourself because you're a woman you know and you don't you don't
want to die yet but um but someone needs to go and start asking questions in the town where he died
yeah that was I bet someone knows I bet that's easy enough we know a lot of people in Santa Cruz
that are really into the medical freedom movement and supporters of free now foundation so so so
it's possible to write a letter you know so to the press as we did with David Kelly and said we
didn't believe what Lord Hutton was trying to say that he committed suicide um we didn't believe
that as medical doctors and and got the letter published in the Guardian and and we didn't need
any anything else we changed public opinion without the inquest which we were formally seeking
and people were saying oh you didn't get the inquest even I said we didn't need the inquest
because we changed public opinion without it from suicide to murder
and in the case of Kerry Mullis it would be natural causes to murder you know and he had to be dead
the point is he had to be dead before they could launch what they did launch in 2020 so I think
they definitely killed him anyway um thank you so much and that really Stephen that that ties in
perfectly with my narrative around the PCR test oh absolutely and in fact that narrative actually
starts with Theranos but I'll wait till we get to that presentation um do you have more more
questions Stephen oh one last question so one last question about Maha as far as I can see Alex I
I don't like to be unkind but I can't see that they've done anything at all so there was a big
flurry you know in July I think it was in September uh the world would learn what where the
autism cases were coming and even Trump was heralding this you know and then when it came
it was paracetamol Tylenol right and I thought what a damp squib I can't believe
what in the world is happening in Maha I think they're a big massive disappointment and actually
well you've just mentioned one of them but you know he thought that I can't remember now so what
was the Great Barrington Declaration the big thing about that was that they thought lockdowns were
okay but but um but you know it should have been just the elderly who should be and the and the
vulnerable who should be locked out so there's a fundamental misunderstanding in my case they
didn't talk about the PCR technique as far as I can remember Great Barrington Declaration and yet
people were pushing the Great Barrington Declaration it was a limited hangout it was
obviously a limited hangout and Batacarria was one of them and then he ends up at Maha
so he doesn't understand anyway right well but get get this Batacarria's boss at Stanford was
Sara Cody's husband yes but then he shouldn't allow himself to be the main one of the main
people on our side because he knows he's compromised yeah you understand oh yeah yeah he's
he's got he's really trying to walk a fine line he's always um kind of the peacemaker um in the
middle I he's a very lovely person to interact with but even like my insider people at NIH
think that he's he's kind of wishy-washy and he's not willing to come out wet unfortunately
in male speak anyway thank you so much Alex all right let's get let's get to thanks Steven
lots of hands lots of hands up thanks Steven Sebastian Hi Alex um uh thanks for for coming on
and I really have to say I'm shocked at California I'm shocked at what's happening in the States
but I only have one question and uh that would be about religious exemptions in California
is that an issue do they do they go after that also I mean if it's not medical issues or they
don't accept medical exemptions do they accept religious exemptions in California or has it
gone that communist it's gone that communist literally when they took away the personal
belief exemption that covered religious exemptions and so those completely went away in 2015
there is an attorney named Greg Glazer for anybody who's looking for a religious exemption
and he's writing successful religious exemptions that religious schools are taking
and it's not technically legal for them to accept them but apparently they are
okay thank you and and Sebastian that reminds me of that religious exemption
and the grounds for that and um Gavin De Becker in in the book Forbidden Facts goes beautifully
through the contents of vaccines and refers to the witches in Macbeth and I went after Dave
Raznik I will read out to you this beautiful quote of what is in these vaccines of the of the
rat's tails and pork and and and rendered pork fat and I'm just quickly looking first we'll do
Dave and I'll read it to you and then he and then he links it to the three witches saying bubble
bubble toil and trouble and what are they putting into the who knows the saying off pat you know
it's brilliant all right Dave you go first I'll come back good Gertrude Faust does the same thing
actually Charles yeah very interesting very interesting all right Dave well Alex good to
see you again it's been a while yeah you too Dave we were on that same PCR commission together with
James Lyons-Wyler and Dr. Sin Han Lee that was a while ago yeah and you're you're certainly a warrior
and that's great I am an expert witness and in a legal case in southern California
and it's gotten to the the ninth circuit I think that's the ninth circuit federal court there
of appeals and they're just sitting on it and we and they won't do anything they won't make
a judgment because they're afraid our estimate is they're reason they're making no judgment on it
to say oh they agree with it they don't because we're guessing they don't want us to take it to
the supreme court we don't know why they're sitting on it they will not make a decision
and we know they hate us and this this case is in its fifth year right now all right and and you're
involved in these legal cases different sorts of cases and we came up with this idea what what can
we do and we were thinking about going to some people like Tucker Carlson or something and and
bring the story to him and publicize it and put pressure on on the ninth circuit to do something
you know rather than just sit there and we don't know if that if that's a good strategy or not or
whatever and I was just curious if if you guys have run into anything like that in California
and if you have any thoughts about different cases people getting together and working together
and to try to do something about the completely corrupt judicial system in at least in southern
California I don't know about northern California so you get my point oh yeah I totally get it yeah
there's nothing we can do about the corrupt judicial system it's it's horrible it's really
horrible we can only hope that you know some of the Biden appointees get replaced by Trump
appointees but beyond that I mean it's not going to change there's nothing that's going to change
here so yeah the media is really the only way to put pressure on the courts and these judges to
make the decisions and you know listen if we don't have a decision in our due process case
by early December we're going to go public with it and make a big stink
oh I would love to talk with you if when you make that decision and and put your lawyers and our
lawyers together you know privately quietly or whatever and talk to each other and see yeah if
see if we can join forces somehow well we could bring a record case with Dave and by the way Dave
knows the people who are involved with the PCR technique in fact you worked with them didn't you
David? Peter Duesberg? Kerry Mullis was a friend of mine yeah there we are he's a good guy and uh
yeah he no Alexan he had a stroke people said it was publicized that he had a pneumonia uh no he
had a stroke just like Peter Duesberg did oh the three I'm sorry I'm gonna take just a couple of
minutes here just to emphasize this weird thing Kerry Mullis Nobel Laureate, Luke Montagnier a
Nobel Laureate, Peter Duesberg a member of National Academy of Sciences and and uh uh World Authority
on Retroviruses and things like it Authority these are the three most credential outspoken critics of
Anthony Fauci. Two of them died you know really quick and and uh Kerry and Peter had a stroke
Peter survived he's still he's still with us but he's not terribly functional right now
of course Luke Montagnier uh he's gone now I mean you know if this was Hollywood you would know
that that was that was designed that had to happen I'll shut up yeah well I see the pattern as well
and is there a way to induce a stroke in someone? Yeah electromagnetic radiation is one way you can
do it with chemicals you can do all kinds of ways especially these guys are older these guys
are older it's fairly easy to do. David couldn't if you're a friend of Kerry Mullis' couldn't you
team up with Alex and you know so a couple a male and a female are always more approachable than
than a male on his own so you could maybe go to that town and start asking questions of the locals
that listen I'm involved in so many things right now um I
that doesn't sound like a very good thing for me to to to do because that would be so laborious
so time consuming and I already have very little time. Yes but it might be the thing that breaks
the whole thing. All right you've raised up you've raised the point let's yeah let's move on it's a
great idea and David you've planted the seed Stephen okay Macbeth three witches stirring a
bubbling cauldron chanting out the ingredients eye of newt toe of frog lizard's leg tongue of God
coming back to the religious exemptions well Gavin de Becker in Forbidden Facts page 51 says
some old-time vaccine ingredients were made by steeping them for years in a mix of ox bile
glycerin and potato slices over time vaccinations evolved to include dried rabbit spinal cords
duck embryos chicken blood human bile ground up rat spleens boiled pigskin
then he goes on but enough about the past we've come a long way since then here are some ingredients
in today's modern vaccines Sebastian this is relevant to you okay the religious exemption
so this is what's in modern vaccines gelatin from boiled pigskin chicken embryo protein
embryo protein blood from the hearts of cow fetuses human fetus DNA fragments
albumin from human blood plasma oil extracted from shark livers proteins from army worm ovaries
monkey kidney DNA fragments
so then he refers so there you are there's a nice little ingredient says no i don't know why that
play came to mind this is about Macbeth but let's get back to vaccine ingredients and on top of
what i've just read out he says there's formaldehyde polysorbate 18 potassium chloride by the way the
final ingredient administered during executions by lethal injection phenol borax sodium borate
used in pesticides not allowed in food but okay for vaccines monosodium glutamate aluminium
salts thimerosol ethyl ethyl mercury triton x100 also used in spermicides and he says this to ensure
balance Sebastian i mean Alex i'm providing a giant dose of reassurance about how safe all those
ingredients are when injected into infants and children reassurance from the nation's leading
medical centers well-established news organizations prestigious universities the federal government
and the world health organization isn't it so beautifully written so so ironic and you look at
that list of crap no wonder you want exemptions from having that crap put into your bodies everybody
so any anti-vaxxer watching this you are highly intelligent to be an anti-vaxxer and we'll go to
marv in oregon since you've been talking about oregon alex yeah uh thanks alex uh yeah we every
session we have a battle uh but we have uh this consortium of moms uh oregonians for medical
freedom children's health defense oregon oregon moms union moms for liberty people's rights
anyway these mothers and there's they grow every session uh several hundred show up if they
introduce a bill but what i wanted to share well i got a question but first i want to share a
a hopeful sign i live a few blocks from the barber robert human resources building on our state
capitol mall and i have a little scooter that i ride around salem and i go i ride through the
basement parking where the executives park they have been adding security at the oregon health
authority in the lobby now they have two desks for security in the basement they now have two
uh soldier looking guys that obviously they're a contractor but the the oregon health authority
those bureaucrats are beginning to fear us because we know what they're doing they added 17 million
to their budget in 2021 and that was for seven positions data analysts now how the hell do you
spend 17 million dollars for seven positions well they do it you need office space you need
but anyway i wanted to ask you about your your vaccine injuries my son is going he's going to
england paris and munich and saltsburg with his junior high school no he's a junior in high school
now one of the blessings of the pandemic in my life our public schools were closed for two years
we got him into a private school when he was in the sixth grade and they didn't close at all
it's a wonderful school they're a little they're a little religious but i love it i love it it's a
great background for him but anyway i don't think he's got any vaccines his mother is an anti-vaxxer
as i am an anti-vaxxer so i i guess they don't have to get vaccines now to fly to uh europe
what what were your what were the six vaccines that you got and where were you going when you
were injured thanks i was going to bali and i didn't know what i know now i was 29 and you
know i was just a corp i was in corporate research and so i got five out of my six vaccines could be
given all together to a baby at a well baby visit so i got hepatitis b hepatitis a diphtheria and
tetanus polio and then the one that you normally wouldn't give to a baby would be oral typhoid
and two weeks after that i was in bali and my legs turned into noodles i collapsed i started weeping
for no apparent reason and i came back with what i thought was jet lag until it lasted weeks and
then months then finally i was like months of jet lag probably not jet lag and i was sleeping 16
hours a day um had a 24 7 migraine because i had encephalitis and then about seven months after i
got those vaccines um that would have been like january uh 1997 the brain damage set in and um i
i completely lost my short-term memory i stopped being able to do math and that's when i couldn't
do my job anymore and um so i went in and took a medical leave of absence and i never
was never well enough to go back to corporate america but um luckily three years after that
happened um i was you know about 80 bed bound in my late 20s early 30s um i discovered the gluten
free diet and half of half of my disabling symptoms went away so i still had the other half of disabling
symptoms but that allowed me to have a relationship and get married um and then i gave birth to twins
in 2002 so um i was i was able to do that but i couldn't go back to corporate america unfortunately
i still couldn't i mean the only reason i can run free now foundation the way i do is because i work
from home and i can work really weird hours because i'm really bad at mornings still i still have a
lot of symptoms that prevent me from having a good night of sleep most days so i can take a nap in
the morning and do other medical stuff to you know get symptoms to go away so i can be productive
starting around lunchtime usually
okay very good uh hey trellis i wanted it in oregon our judges are elected positions they're
non-partisan on our ballot but they're rarely opposed they're usually just the judge's name
and he's re-elected so our judges positions are controlled by the bar association they decide
who's gonna who's gonna go on who's going on the ballot okay interesting
well that's that's that's that's that's it's amazing to me you know i think about all of you
watching this now think about how you would know if a lawyer is any good or a doctor
or an accountant or a dentist how would you know you've got no idea and even if someone one of
your friends recommends a lawyer to you that the experience that the lawyer did for that client
might have been spectacular but the lawyer could be a total dud in any other field it's a great
problem it's a great problem but anyway that's why personal referrals are so important in the
professions thanks marv that's great work and well done for your child going to private school and
that's another question i have for alex but i've got many questions we'll go to other questions
ron our favorite pinup boy in california hey how you doing he's a force hi ron how you doing um
just point of information everybody um julie was at serving jury duty yesterday and um she fainted
and was taken to e by ems to orville hospital and her hemoglobin was back down to five and she has
to get more blood um and by the way charles she's just happened to have um forbidden facts with her
and every every person that she's talked to regarding her conditions she said quote i'm
telling everyone the vaccine f'd me up so um and she texted on our chat a few minutes ago alex that
she's sorry that she couldn't watch you live so she'll probably listen to an under way play but
yeah just want to be worried about that my prayers go to her i found out she's in the hospital
yesterday yeah anyway and and who's ron important point alex what advice do you give to anybody who
goes to a hospital in california uh have an advocate have an advocate with you at all times
and literally i would have a lawyer on call um long before you need to go to the hospital
well i um saw peter mcculler dr peter mcculler a week ago this past thursday and we took a picture
together and there was this grimace and pain on my face and i had to retake the picture because i
didn't want to post it on social media at his urging and i explained to him that i have this
pain in my my left left arm left shoulder and he says i think you have a torn rotator cuff
i really don't want to call kaiser and go back there but yet on the other hand um i am in in pain
not lifting something because turning my shoulder a weird way so i have to it seems like because of
covid we don't want to go to the hospital no and and you don't need to go in the system for that
if it's a tear and it's not fully torn um usually like a series of ozone injections or um platelets
injections can reverse that and sometimes um stem cells can reverse it also and even like some cells
even a one and done thing but platelets or ozone is typically a series i've i've had great success
with stuff like that right ronald don't go to the hospital for that i had a torn rotator cuff and it
healed without anything it still hurts somewhat but you have to work through the pain and slowly
do physical therapy just don't let it stop moving as long as you can pick your arm up over your head
you know in abduction you don't need the hospital for that don't do it okay okay karen next time
next time you're done i can do doctor stuff i'm a retired i have my my license i had to i had to go
as retired uh florida physician in order to get the license they won't let me use uh renewed but
it's renewed now so ronald i can i will help you and alex is right don't do it okay sorry to
interrupt but i just don't i wanted to knit that in the bud okay ron next time you're done this
stand my radiologist and ronald ronald um the only thing you need to be worried about is is there a
frac so did you um suffer traumas you to your shoulder did i what uh steven trauma to the
trauma i don't know steven i i don't know it's because i'm sleeping on my left side um it could
be exacerbated by my motorcycle riding i don't have a harley so the vibration is isn't that serious so
i don't know there's the most common vaccine injury frozen shoulder i'm sorry what dr frost
frozen shoulder steven's right what i had to work through was frozen shoulder that hurt like hell
yes it does i had frozen shoulder i never went to the hospital and i got it moving again it
hurts like hell just prevent that okay totally off topic right now but yeah i have a referral
for you and also there's a very common vaccine injury the most common one called serva shoulder
injury induced by vaccination and that can cause frozen shoulder and um maybe some of the symptoms
you're um you're experiencing okay well but frozen shoulder can cause enormous problems for people
over a long period of time even like nine months and event but eventually it goes but you've got
to be sure there's no fracture but you had no trauma so that's not a worry yeah i'm sorry for
getting off topic um but it just the point about going to the hospital is concerning my main point
is this and you mentioned um great glazer i don't know if you know this you probably do know this
but he is the attorney representing michelle spencer who basically uh and they all appeared
before this group several weeks ago but michelle spencer is the um Fresno nurse who is suing her
hospital system for um um hiding the fetal demise my main point is this i appreciate what free now
foundation is doing tackling everything at the um um in the courts and so forth
and that's just one battle i believe that we need to be fought and you guys are violently fighting it
the other is informing people if people were informed what's in the context of forbidding
facts um um developing memes um poster uh they call it poster board stuff we need to start
reaching the people irrespective of the courts irrespective of of of the california state
legislature and i think we need to have some sort of brainstorming session how we can do just that
i mean if we're going around county to county yeah i've been wanting to influence the board
supervisors to do the right thing but a byproduct which i didn't see when i started this trick was
basically talking to people along the way it could be a custodial staff who just happens to be doing
his or her work they stop they look at the monitor they hear julie threets um i'm representing the
vaccine injured they hear my narrative you got people watching in the replay you've got people
watching live and and we'll never know how many people we have met perhaps minds have been changed
maybe i shouldn't take my child to get another vaccine you know and and i think that we need to
aggressively as you're doing pursue the matter in the courts but also we need to have some sort of
public information campaign and and and because we got to reach the people it's about we the
people because even if the courts rule one way our way or a rule against us it's all about
local control and no i'm not talking about county yes which is local control the local control i'm
talking about is our bodies we all have to not comply and if we can communicate that directly
to the people forget mainstream media just just boots on the ground and and that that's my that's
my um um those are my thoughts what we should be doing and that's what i've learned
um going around from county to county you're absolutely right and thank you so much god bless
you for doing that going to all those counties i think you're you've gone to 51 out of 58 counties
in california now yes 51 i would have gone to my 52nd to inyo county in independence but
we've had a rain a storm a snowstorm which is perilous for vehicles it would be life
threatening for motorcyclists so i really was wanting to go out today but you know i i gotta
i gotta make um good decisions when i go so yes i do have seven counties left and all of them are
in the southern state and the county that i was going to go to today i would have had to go up
highway 50 lake tahoe and high country snow country and in 395 which would have been a
beautiful ride but it would have been a paradise ride because of the snow storms we've been having
as of late good decision doing great work great work ron um and the answer to your question that
all of us are dealing with is that change happens one conversation at a time which is
the example that charlie kirk gave which is the history of the last 2000 years is people doing
wrong what you're doing of going before groups of people and talking that's what needs to happen
change happens one conversation at a time we just have to be willing to do the work and stop looking
for quick answers and secondly it took 30 years for william wilberforce to get the uk commons
house of commons to pass the anti-slavery legislation 30 years of conversations so everybody
that's why we're going to be up we're going to be up for it and keep speaking and no shutting up
all right sebastian it was on horse where the motorcycle yeah well in australia's federation
the whole federation when you look at the history of thomas jefferson and how difficult it was for
him to get from virginia to washington by bloody horseback in the middle of winter you're talking
about your bike in the middle of winter what an extraordinary trip that was to go to a meeting
but you know the federation in australia in america all happened with conversations on
the back of bloody horse-drawn trailers and town hall meetings so ron didn't you have him
um a snowstorm in california about two months ago i seem to remember you mentioned yes that was in
may and i was listening to john stolleman i think and yeah that was a snowstorm it started to snow
and i had a choice of either continuing or um or or or hunker down somewhere i decided to continue
because i knew it's about 50 miles from plaserville lower elevation but i did
ride through the some snow and sleet so are you in northern or southern california or are you just
i'm in northern california um kind of at the probably the northernest part of the san juan
king valley all right sebastian glenn and then we'll go back to alex for to do talk about ron
and for me because we'll have an hour to to do that so go sebastian actually i have um i have about
20 or 25 minutes left for me okay all right well that's what we're going to do so sebastian glenn
and then back to alex for rhino update or rhino issues very very quickly remarks uh about traveling
with the vaccines i believe that is what this whole thing is all about the only reason we're
still allowed to travel is because putin hailed uh vladimir putin healed the the vaccine injuries
and and covid with overnight in february 2022 um charles you asked or someone asked what about
dentists and lawyers how do we know who we can trust well i can tell you from my experience that
i had a dentist who had a big flyer i mean it was a big banner outside of his office
that everyone could see and it said i want to see your smile leave your mask off so that i mean
showed him he stood out incidentally or coincidentally whatever he was actually i
believe he was targeted he was a um targeted with turbo cancer he did not take the backs and still
died within less than three months from cancer so um one can you know one can conspire whatever one
one wants to think about that and my last point is for everyone who joins our things i mean to say
this every week when we when you post this on on rumble if everyone was to just tap the like button
every one of us we would get more than eight likes or nine likes per week for each stream because
this stream deserves it you guys have done stephen charles you have done so much for the world
and we i cannot emphasize this more often than i should like everyone here should like these
streams that you post thank you very much thanks sebastian well said glenn
hi um i want to address the the dialogue and the question that ronald brought up relative to
uh the risk of going to hospitals and mine is boy avoided at all cost it's not a safe place
the vast majority of hospitals across the u.s are still recommending remdesivir on their protocols
on their protocols i you know if if i if i was someone going neat and i absolutely had to go
into a hospital that would be my first question do you guys still have that anywhere that's allowed
in your hospital if so i'm not coming near it um the other thing i want to identify is relative to
the particular uh joint issue that you have this is an area that i've dealt with quite a bit over
the past 25 years uh starting with a with a book called brain longevity um that was published in
1997 it's not in current print but there's there's used versions of it it's an excellent book uh and
with that a whole range of the anti-inflammation mechanisms that can be used to bring down the
inflammation in your body and and often that will completely relieve um your different kind of joint
problems i i had joint problems with carpal tunnel sin on the left wrist uh tennis elbow on the right
uh elbow and and a rotator cup in my right shoulder all of them got eliminated once i was testing out
the paleo diet before i put my mother on it and with her i was able to bring down the inflammation
so much that her dementia that had prevented it had had lost all of her uh for you know conversion
of her short-term memory into long-term memory so she could never remember anything more than one day
that all got relieved and and her standard memory came back i mean i i was astounded how
successful it was and it's just a whole range of books on that uh the migraine miracle the sugar-free
gluten-free ancestral diet to reduce inflammation uh the Alzheimer's prevention and treatment diet
using nutrition to combat the effects of Alzheimer's disease uh one that's you know got a lot of
coverage in certain time periods uh grain brain by david permell uh the perfect health diet how to
regain health and lose weight by eating brilliant brilliant fantastic thanks for the reminder that
is so important reduce inflammation what a great story reduce inflammation reduce dementia lovely
we're going to keep moving jeremy quickly then back to alex because she's only got her for another
19 minutes brilliant stuff glenn and by the way all of you who have never heard of cytokines
please look them up you must understand cytokines if we're talking about inflammation um jeremy
yeah thank you charles and thank you alex for your presentation and your work it's great work
um i'm a fellow mba um which doesn't really mean much no i i have my baby book
now i don't mean to do to uh denigrate mba's that happens enough but um i i do have my baby book i'm
77 i'm in canada and i did receive only three inoculations if you want to call i have vaccines
smallpox and tetanus and um polio that was it and of course there were one or a few boosters
for polio i can't remember my question is do you have a concept where you are in california in the
courts called judicial review which is something i wasn't aware of here until i started watching
um the tribunals which were held to um basically to take away the licenses of some of the physicians
in ontario canada here and they used a concept called judicial review which meant as i understand
it i stand to be corrected that there were certain things that you couldn't challenge
that were established as the court would accept as being fact and could not be challenged
like the vaccines are safe and effective well uh that's why the doctors were there
because they were questioning whether the vaccines were safe and effective also anything
concerning the pcr test could not be challenged and there were a number of others i can't remember
that the court established with judicial review now this is an area charles and jeremy i think
you mean judicial notice okay could be yep now judicial review is a different concept
but judicial notice is that's right the the matters that have been debunked you know that
it's been debunked that vaccines are unsafe keep going no that that's good i i needed to be
corrected on this because i could only remember some vague parts of these tribunals uh carry
that were held and of course the the outcome was predetermined so judicial notice all right
i'll mark that down thank you thanks jeremy all right alex um judicial review is used in australia
and the uk to review the actions of judges and public service but we won't go there at the moment
we we have you now for 25 for 15 minutes alex please give us an update on rhino your perspective
on this pcr because it's very relevant and also shines a light a light on the plight of rhino being
unlawfully incarcerated by the german government absolutely and i don't have an update on his
current situation but i did want to go back to an analysis i did in 2020 that has to do with the pcr
test being the only place that any legal cases should have focused in my opinion and i'm going
to share my graphic in a second here it's called the seven levels of covid fraud and the idea was
to evaluate each of those levels on a scientific basis to see if each level would carry scientific
water if you will and if um if due to that it would be a good place to focus in court
and what i concluded from that analysis it's a very business school kind of thing to do is to
deconstruct their strategy to figure out where to where to go in and where to be most incisive and
surgical with legal work in this case i did that to help children's health defense focus their
lawsuits so um let me share the graphic right now and i'm just going to talk you through it quickly
and show you why i came to that conclusion and then i think it'll be really obvious why they did
yep okay uh okay there we go so um i'll take you through the the seven levels and i'll go into some
detail especially on the bottom ones um the first level is the issue with um isolating the
um sars-cov-2 virus um and it was it was never purified as everybody here knows it was never
proven infectious or pathogenic and the fan woo at all paper from january 2020 um and it was
paper from january 2020 was based on the lung sample from one man who was in wuhan at a time
of year especially when the pollution was at its highest so it was never determined if that was an
infection or if that was somebody detoxing from all the pollution in wuhan and then that group fan
woo at all i think everybody here probably knows that they they threw away that original sample
after they sequenced it so that it could not be peer reviewed by other researchers
and that became the basis of the the drosten paper that defined what the pcr test would be
so without um without a real reference sample that was peer reviewed by other researchers
there's a huge issue with the validation of the pcr test and there are a number of other issues
with the pcr test as you all know a lot of them were detailed in the corman drosten review
website which right now has like a warning on it like i don't know if i should access it or not but
they listed 10 fatal flaws with the pcr test and there are many more than that including how it was
used um then after they established there was a virus and this is kind of how the narrative
is rolled out then they manipulated the data here in level two um they had this fake ferguson model
of how many people were going to die you know if we did nothing you know two million people in
the united states were supposed to die if we didn't lock everybody down and then we had the
ihme at university of washington funded by bill gates um that also made some bogus project
projections to scare everybody and then the coup de grace was that mastercard and bill gates
donated 50 million dollars to the who to get them to to declare sars-cov-2 a pandemic when there was
no evidence of widespread death um from what they're calling an infectious agent um the third level
is this pcr test and as we were talking about earlier it's not a diagnostic diagnostic there's
a super high rate of false positives if you went ahead and sequenced any pcr positive result to
find out what um what sequenced the letters of the genetic code were in it turned out that you know
around 90 of them were false positives so those weren't all cases it was also misused according
to the emergency use authorization um by using an unhealthy people which is verboten with any pcr
test and it was spelled out in the eua document that it was not to be used unhealthy people so
it was used illegally as a screening mechanism and then these results were not sequenced and
i was with dr dave rasnik and dr sin hong lee in a coalition around the pcr led by dr james lians
myler and dr sin hong lee wrote the fda and said hey why aren't these being sequenced these pcr
positives because that's the gold standard and of course the the uh sorry he he wrote a letter to
the fda and of course the fda you know never did anything about it um but there's lots of problems
with this pcr test so as you can see in levels one two and three they're in order of increasing
dependency so if you could do a lawsuit around the lack of isolation of the sars-cov-2 virus or
not proving that this was actually an infectious agent then all the blocks here would tumble there
wouldn't have been an issue if you could have taken out the block of the manipulated data and
said hey we caught you you know those are fake models they it was it would kind of end up in like
oh mea culpa we would never do that again right so that's not a good level for lawsuits but the pcr
test is what reiner knew was um was the foundation of all these other dependencies on top of it it
led to all the reporting um to inflate the cases and to create this double standard for death
reporting on the death certificates um it it was it was the foundation of of inflating these deaths
it um was the foundation of of giving these perverse incentives to especially people in
hospitals to diagnose covet and do all these horrible treatments experimental treatments if
you will on people like remdesivir and the ventilator and to actually kill them there were
incentives for that the whole way through but that was all dependent on the levels below it
and that's level what i call level four and then so levels one two three and four were needed to um
to initiate level five which was this initial population control and lockdowns and then level
six is the introduction of the vaccine and then number seven is where we are right now this full
population control of you know this technocracy that we're hurtling toward so this was all a
manufactured crisis from the beginning but i looked at these blocks you know on behalf of chd because
i was a board member there at the time i said hey you know i think the lowest level block where we
could focus our legal cases is the pcr test because look at all these dependencies above level three
and i think this pcr test would hold water and it never got traction at chd some people actually
made fun of me for thinking we should file pcr cases i was always disagreeing with bobby kennedy
about this um and so it was a very frustrating time for me and i'm going to take this down now
but when reiner when i saw my first reiner fulmick video and he said that he was going to do a lawsuit
around the pcr test i said there's my man wow this is exactly where all the legal dollars should
have been focused when we were locked down um and it never happened it never happened and i think
this is the the reason why reiner is right now in prison i did have conversations with reiner
when he was still thinking of doing a pcr test lawsuit and that's when i was running the children's
health defense california chapter and it was interesting i had to have two separate calls with
um lawyers and scientists and doctors who believe in viruses for one call and then the other call i
was arranging the same conversation about the lawsuit with lawyers scientists and doctors
who don't believe the virus narrative because what happens at if you dig into the pcr test at all
it wouldn't have come down to just the fact that saras covey 2 was improperly isolated and deemed
infectious it leads back to the fact that we don't have a good viral reference sample for any pcr
test and that was the problem with the pcr lawsuit in the minds of the powers that be whoever they
are um and that's why i think reiner fulmick has received such such um outsized punishment for um
for nothing for nothing this trumped up political agenda and he's he's basically a political
prisoner because he knew where to focus the legal work and i knew where to focus it too and i got
no traction on it and reiner fulmick did and i think that's why he's in prison so that's what
i wanted to say about that oh one other thing one other really really really important point here
and i can't prove this okay but i think everybody here is going to have an inner knowing that this
could actually be true does everybody remember theranos and elizabeth holmes she was the i have
i have the original article on theranos that i read flying back from europe in october it was it
was a financial times article by an investigative journalist in october 2015 alex on theranos saying
elizabeth whatever her name was she is a fraud and this whole thing is a fraud anyway keep going
theranos is a famous famous wonderful case many people here know all about it right well and think
of who was on her board um we had um we had shulzinger and kissinger kissinger and george
schultz and she's a stanford dropout she's playing a character she's like the female steve job she
wears like the mock black mock turtlenecks and she has this this falsetto baritone voice that she
breaks character with sometimes if you've seen documentaries on her i mean it's just bizarre and
then she comes up with this black box that's supposed to do blood spot testing so her company
was formed in 2003 and i remember when it rolled out she had her offices in palo alto that's where
i lived at the time and so i thought well you know my next blood test you know i don't want to get a
full blood draw i'm going to go to walgreens and get this blood spot testing and so i went in there
and i gave my blood draw orders to the phlebotomist and they said oh you know chick chick chick chick
um you're gonna need a full blood draw today i'm like but i wanted just the blood spot testing like
oh no um your doctor checked off the cholesterol test so you're gonna need a full blood draw and i
said well who gets blood spot testing then because everybody gets ordered a cholesterol test i didn't
want the cholesterol test but it was on my thing i already knew that it was bullshit back then but
they said oh very few people actually get blood spot testing because there's a lot of exceptions
to the blood spot testing where we have to do a full blood draw and i thought well now that's
really weird and so the whole thing was blown up by kissinger's grandson tyler who blew the whistle
on the whole thing that this was just a fake black box test and this wasn't just for like cbc's and
other like blood tests that you would need in 2015 not a lot of people know this but they got
theranos got fda approval for a herpes test to start testing for infectious illness so think about
this it's a company with kissinger and schultz on the board to manufacture test results and they
were getting into infectious disease testing in 2015 and they had plans to develop tests and get
them approved by the fda for a lot of other infections at the time that was 2015 that was
a very key year in this whole narrative remember 2015 is when vaccination rights were taken away
from parents in in in large part in 2015 the personal belief exemption went away and the
medical exemption was narrowed 2015 was also the year that we had the dead doctors we have 200
doctors who died under very mysterious mysterious circumstances starting with deffrey bradstreet in
florida who was found in a river with a shotgun wound to the chest and that was ruled a suicide
as if he went out to the river and somehow pulled a shotgun aimed at his own chest to
commit suicide in a river and then it turns out that he had records showing that there's a cancer
causing substance substance called nagalase being added to vaccines and he's got a bunch of writings
about that he was about to publish it there were all sorts of really weird deaths and apparent
suicides in 2015 and so 2015 again was also the year that theranos got fda approval for their first
infectious illness test for herpes and so it is my theory or hypothesis let's say because it's not
totally a theory let's say hypothesis that theranos was the test that the deep state wanted to use
to manufacture cases of cobit i don't think they wanted to use the pcr test and as we found out
while we were locked down most of us who didn't know a lot about it at the time found out a whole
lot more about it and how erroneous a test it is how it's not a diagnostic and it has all these
other issues and i don't think they were actually prepared to use the pcr test as the diagnostic in
covid i think they were caught with their pants down because tyler the grandson of kissinger blew
the whistle on theranos and they removed theranos from the mix as a testing facility so isn't that
woman in prison yeah yeah 11 year sentence and the journalist the wall street journal article that i
read um was written by john carrie roux c a double r e y r o u and it was he who really helped to make
sure that the whistle was blue up blue after kissinger's grandson did it um and so it's a it's
an amazing story and so thanks for the reminder alex and by the way there's been no pushback
against kissinger and schultz and i think william sign there's another heavy duty board member that
elizabeth holmes is her name h o l m e s who got uh what an extraordinary board she got as a as a
dropout although as we know alex there's a real benefit in not continuing with university being
a dropout is a useful thing to do even though you know both got masters as well all right you've got
two minutes left ron you've got two minutes to ask alex her last question before we'll continue
without alex as well um was an expert on this so he uh when he first appeared on this channel
he told the story i don't remember whether he had inside knowledge but he knew the story and he knew
how to tell the story as well alex kreiner do you know him um i missed i missed the name what name
alex kreiner he's from croatia but he lives in monaco no i don't know who he is all right
well if you want to know about elizabeth holmes and uh tyrannus he's someone you should speak to
okay but but actually it's not just books been there's books been written on it netflix
documentaries down on it ron quickly here before we lose alex quickly i'm just that this test that
she was promoting there obviously the way you practice medicine now according to these
bureaucrats is to do tests on people without taking a history without the without the patient
even meeting a medical doctor it's just a big fraud the whole thing highly efficient
well it yeah don't interact with the patient an ai doctor can come in and take do the tests and
yeah and then you just prescribe based on the tests and the tests are fraudulent and and shouldn't
be done because you don't go looking for trouble like that without okay steven quick
no i need to make that point so charles and we don't need to hear ron ahead of me when it comes
to medicine but anyway go ahead ron i just want to say on page one or four of my mother's truth book
i talk about uh tyrannus i was the public information officer who who fielded the public
record act request from wall street journal john cario that was wow catalyst that caused cario
to write his book and also for 60 minutes australia to do their piece and i remember
gathering about more than 500 pages of documents on my cubicle desk pulling all this together so
it's kind of interesting that we've come this full full circle anyway i i talk about it in my
mother truth book on page 104 beautiful wow ron way to go you were very ahead of the curve ron
well i didn't know what i was doing at that time but you know yeah now you do well thank you
everybody for having me back um it's always a pleasure for these deep discussions i i love
all the insightful questions and the discussion i love the questions from steven and charles and
others and i just i love being with medical doctors for covet ethics you have a great show here
thank you alex great to have you congratulations on your work and anyone please subscribe to free
now foundation it's on the website i'm a subscriber have been for some time and keep up to speed with
alex and any suggestions that you have get them through to her alex get off to your next meeting
we will can we will see if we can continue without you okay i'm sure you can alex your homework is
look into rico with tom renz and uh kerry mullis you need to do some investigating
in the town where he died allegedly i will follow up on that with you steven thank you so very much
i think that's going to be a really powerful combo if we can get it going and you could actually do a
rico case around the pcr test because i think you might be right about uh but i knew that rhino was
onto that very early and there were other people who are also understanding that so the whole thing
about diagnosing covet with a test was ridiculous yeah as i used to tell my wife
yeah thank you thank you steven always incredible ideas here and i'm following up on all of them
thanks alex you gotta go yes listen go because otherwise you'll be late you got a hard stop
is there a question was that sfe yes i just wanted to thank you so much for everything you're doing
for us here you are our our fearless beautiful leader and courageous beyond words i i'm honored
to know you and grateful you're here also i wanted to mention eric copolino did a whole
deep dive into the fact that the cdc knew in 2007 that the pcr test should never be used
on its own because of the false whooping cough thing that went through this hospital where they
found they were all bacteria all bacteria caused whooping cough but they had called it something
else so bottom line is cdc had that written back in 2007 or 2008 that it should never be used solely
for diagnosis so this was known many years before this happened and eric copolino has that data he's
been on here before and i can get it to you if you need it so you've got layer on layer of fraud
alex take your pick right you and tom renz together i think um good move mountains i agree yeah and
that's the point of that the tower of blocks because it's layer upon layer of fraud and every
block is dependent on all the dependencies below it so the lower you can play on that legally you
can wipe out this whole problem from ever occurring again absolutely okay love you guys
see you soon actually the way they misled the public by saying that the that the loss of taste
and loss of smell was unique to covid when it wasn't clearly no because i remember getting a
cold and i lost my sense of taste and smell exactly everybody forgot that so much fraud okay i got i
gotta go and thank you bye everybody bye alex thank you bye