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Thank you Juliet for being here.

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So let's get this show on the road everybody.

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Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International

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and today's discussion.

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This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost

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almost four years ago with a desire to pursue

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truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.

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Stephen has stood up against government

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and power over the years and has been a whistleblower

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and activist, his medical specialty is radiology.

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Right now in Australia, it's 5 a.m. and it's the 5th of May.

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And I'm told it's Reiner Fullmick's birthday today.

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Not for you Europeans or Americans, but for us Australians.

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We're way ahead of you guys.

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We're a day ahead.

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So happy birthday to Reiner and we remember him at this time

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and we commit to shining a light on his plight

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and the unlawful, corrupt behavior of the German government.

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Reiner is a true warrior for freedom and truth

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and proper application of law.

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I'm Charles Covesse, the moderator of this group.

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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career

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32 years ago and over the last 14 years,

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I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies

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for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.

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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company

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and I'm involved in two charities that,

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in fact three charities that are fighting

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against child trafficking, which is very relevant

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to our guests today.

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We comprise lots of professions here

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and we're from all around the world.

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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.

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Now, many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate

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anti-vaxxers and I'm one of them.

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And as Bobby Kennedy has confirmed publicly

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and many others, and I say each time,

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each of these meetings, there has never been a vaccine

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that has been properly tested for safety and efficacy ever

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in the history of humankind.

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Anyone who wants to prove the opposite, please go ahead.

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If this is your first time here, welcome

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and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat.

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If you publish a newsletter or a podcast,

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put the details into the chats, put the links in the chat

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so we can promote you and follow you.

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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III

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and the medical science battle is only one of 12 battlefronts

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of this latest world war.

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There's no time to be tired.

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We're five years into a seven year war.

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It might be an eight year war.

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So look after your health and be up for the fight.

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The meeting runs for two and a half hours

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after which for those with the time,

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Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting.

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Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.

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We'll listen to our two guest presenters today,

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Juliet Engel and Cathy O'Brien

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for as long as they wish to speak.

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And then we have Q&A.

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Stephen Frost asks the first questions for 15 minutes.

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This is a free speech environment

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with appropriate moderating free speech

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is crucially important in our fight

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to preserve our human freedoms.

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So if you're offended by anything, be offended.

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We are lovingly not interested.

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We reject the offense industry

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that requires nobody to say anything

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that may offend another.

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And we similarly reject the triggering industry.

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Don't talk about child trafficking

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because somebody might be triggered.

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Both of them are attacks on free speech.

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However, we come with an attitude

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and perspective of love, not fear.

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Fear is the opposite of love.

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Fear squashes you, enslaves you,

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sickens you.

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Love, on the other hand, expands you,

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liberates you and heals you.

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These twice weekly meetings are not just talkfests.

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An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives

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have been generated from linkages made by attendees

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in these meetings,

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including Jerome Corsi commissioning books

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and all sorts of interesting stuff and people.

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And we haven't heard of a marriage yet being created,

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but we're on the job, you know.

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We'll consider this an introductory agency.

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So any of you that wanna meet anybody else on this call,

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let's know and we'll see what we can do.

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If you have a solution or a product,

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put the links into the resources.

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The meeting is recorded and is uploaded

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on the Rumble channel.

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And now welcome to our two guest presenters today,

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Juliet Engel and Cathy O'Brien.

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We thank you both for giving us your time,

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wisdom and insights.

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Thank you Daria again for introducing,

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for bringing them to us.

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And for the purposes of the recording,

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let me give short bios of the two of them.

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First of all, Dr. Juliet Engel,

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who was born into a family of OSSCIA NSA operatives

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and was sold into the MK Ultra program Monarch

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by her father at the age of six.

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Juliet survived a childhood of mind control,

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satanic ritual abuse and faced a future

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as a prostitute for the CIA.

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Fortunately, she escaped at the age of 17

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and put herself through a university and medical school,

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becoming a physician in Seattle

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and having no memory of her childhood.

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During a mission to improve medical care

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for children in orphanages,

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she discovered a link between the state institutions

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and an international network that trafficked

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young Russian girls to Scandinavia for prostitution.

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She followed their trail north into Norway

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where she ran hit long into the international slave trade

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of the 20th century.

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there was no turning back for the determined doctor.

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As Juliet travelled through the former USSR,

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she was often at great personal peril,

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building a network of villagers, educators, police,

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media and government officials called the Angel Coalition,

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who committed their talents and resources

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to creating an underground railroad

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that helped thousands of trafficking victims

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to return safely home.

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Juliet became eyewitness to the collapse of an empire

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as the USSR broke apart and the Russian people struggled

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to find their identity without losing their humanity.

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to Moscow, the Russian angels saved over 70,000 children.

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Juliet is now back home in America

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and planning a nationwide public information campaign

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starting in May, 2025,

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with her new podcast, Angels Over America.

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Kathy O'Brien has been speaking out for over 35 years

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on her experiences in MKUltra,

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mind control and healing from it.

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Knowledge is our defense against mind control

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and Kathy's experience on a White House Pentagon level

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empowers Kathy's insight into far reaching effects

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of mind control on society today

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and what you can do to reclaim, protect

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and expand your free thought.

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Her website is trans-formation.com,

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on X she is at real Kathy O'Brien

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and her books are secured through her website,

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trans-formation.com, someone will put that in the chat

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and on Audible.

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Kathy O'Brien's 1995 testimony for Congress

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is censored under national security

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was released in book form, Transformation of America

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and her next book, Access Denied for Reasons

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of National Security, details, marks and her journey

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through the corrupted child protective services

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to help her daughter, Kelly.

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And PTSD, Time to Heal is comprised of healing methods

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that Mark taught Kathy O'Brien

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and is now reminding others to heal from within

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just as Kathy did.

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Juliet and Kathy want an extraordinary story

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and it was G. Edward Griffin last week announced

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that the HHS is the key vector

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to child trafficking in America.

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So how about that everybody?

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So Juliet and Kathy, we're over to you.

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You can share your screens if you wish.

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We are All Ears and Stephen Frost again.

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Thank you for creating this group

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and for organizing Juliet and Kathy to be here today.

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So Juliet and Kathy, over to you.

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Shall I start?

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Over to you. Okay.

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As Charles said, I was sold by my parents

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into the MK-ELTRA program in 1955.

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I'm 76 years old and I was six years old at the time

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and that they essentially gave me a way.

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I had to watch while my father was paid for me.

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It was a ritual.

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It was a ritual separation between me

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and my protective parents.

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in the Church of Satan being raised

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in satanic ritual abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse.

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And it was clear to me even as a child in this program

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that they were after my mind, they were after my soul.

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And I'm sure you all are familiar,

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are you all familiar with MK-ELTRA?

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I would assume that there's a lot of knowledge in this group

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and that MK stands for Mein Kampf.

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And what MK-ELTRA is, is the continuation of the projects

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that were developed by the Nazis,

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starting way around the beginning of the 20th century

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and then continuing forward,

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which contained a lot of mysticism, satanic power.

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They were so into it that they even went to the church

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in Pergamon, one of the seven churches of Asia

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in Revelations.

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And in the 1930s, they took the whole thing.

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They took the whole town.

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They took the Temple of Jupiter.

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They took everything from that.

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So there's nothing there, but a hole in the ground now.

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Since the 1930s, they took it all to Berlin to study it.

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Juliet, some of the people are aware of MK-ELTRA,

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but don't know that much about it.

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if that's possible, of the MK-ELTRA program,

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that would be really important from the video afterwards.

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We want to publish it and teach people.

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Yes, and something, I'm gonna do a screen share

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because something extremely important

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just happened three months ago,

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which will do a whole lot for everyone

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in terms of understanding.

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I'm trying to get to my...

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Yeah, we can see zoom on the screen, okay?

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Yes, can you see it?

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Okay, this document, this 1200 page document

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came out on the 23rd of December, 2024.

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is an official National Security Archive document,

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which has been logged into the archives

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at George Washington University.

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And it is a detailed study of MK-ELTRA,

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who did it, how they did it, who they were, why they did it.

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And basically it's the intelligence agencies

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admitting to everything, absolutely everything.

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And for me, having lived 76 years

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being basically ostracized for saying these things,

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for saying that I was a victim of government mind control,

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saying that I was sent from place to place

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and forced to go through satanic rituals

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and watch other children be killed and participate in drugs

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and be forced into black masses

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and all the things that they did to Kathy and me

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and others as children, it's all in here.

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So four months ago, so I've had four months

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of sort of total exoneration of everything I ever said.

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And basically, yes, the CIA started this program.

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It was approved in 1951.

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By 1953, they were recruiting children and bringing them in.

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They decided to take girls at age six, boys at age seven

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and begin experimenting with a variety of drugs.

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They'd received a contract.

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The Dulleses during the war were in Switzerland,

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the Dulles brothers, Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles.

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They're basically the masterminds behind this MK-ELTRA program

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and the link to the Nazis.

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And since they were in Switzerland,

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they were working closely with Eli Lilly,

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who was making the Zyklon gas for the Nazis,

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but also producing massive amounts of LSD

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for the MK-ELTRA experiments that were going on

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in Germany at the time.

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And they contracted with the CIA to provide tons

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of their remaining LSD, basically free of charge,

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because they wanted the CIA to test it

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and find out how that could be used for mind control.

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So that's how it started in 1953.

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Within three years, I was in it.

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My uncle was one of the founding members of the NSA.

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And later he was the person that organized GCHQ

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in Great Britain, lived there for many years.

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And that was my link.

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Sorry.

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So in this, this is a great advantage to have this document

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because for years I've been trying to explain this

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without any background and basically with total denial

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by the government, but they can no longer deny it

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because here it is.

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This man was the man that came to my house

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and took me away.

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This is Agent George White.

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I remember him very clearly.

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He was a very good friend of mine.

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I remember him very clearly.

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He was a physician and also a narcotics agent.

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And he was the one that was given basically free rein

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by the CIA to run safe houses and to test anyone

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he wanted to test with any drug that he wanted.

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So thousands of Americans were put through this process,

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probably thousands of children through the years,

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probably tens of thousands of children.

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How many survived?

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It's hard to say.

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Kathy and I are the only survivors in their seventies.

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Well, I know of a few more who won't come forward,

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but I think of all the people that went in,

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very few actually came out

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or their lives were so completely destroyed.

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Here's something very relevant to your group.

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And that is that, let's see, where is it?

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As soon as Gottlieb,

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Gottlieb was in charge of the pharmaceutical areas,

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the technical services staff

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and the head of the CIA's chemical division.

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And that's Gottlieb right there, Sidney Gottlieb.

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I remember him as well.

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So he was known and he is notated

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throughout this 1200 page document

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as the CIA's chief poison maker.

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So he was the one that experimented,

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led the laboratories,

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conducted, designed and conducted the experiments,

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which had no oversight and no report back.

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So they had no obligation to report their findings

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or have any accountability whatsoever.

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They were just turned loose on children like me and Kathy.

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And his area of deep research is mRNA.

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So it was his lab that started investigating

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the use of mRNA as a biological weapon

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to alter the genetics of entire populations,

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cause extinction events, cause genocide,

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cause populations to become malleable.

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And then they planned a series of events,

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including epidemics, which,

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and this started planning these in the 50s,

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but it went into the 60s.

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They had a few failed attempts,

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but they needed to render the population pliable.

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And you're talking about how malleable our population is.

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I'm looking at my fellow Americans and thinking,

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how on earth can you be so stupid to take a vaccine

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that isn't even, it's messenger RNA.

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They can't even present scientific basis

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for why you should take something like this.

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And basically it's a poison

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that was developed in the 1950s.

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And, but people take it.

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Why do they take it?

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They take it because they've, these, this group,

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this MKLTRA group, this group of extensions

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of the Nazi mind control specialists

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have mind controlled our population.

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And it's through drugs.

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It's certainly through the drug companies.

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It's through media.

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It's through all the subliminal messaging

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that we get through electronics.

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And, and so I would say they were massively successful.

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It's also extremely interesting how they,

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they had 85 universities and hospitals that participated

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received unknown amounts of grant money from the CIA

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and conducted experiments and included places like McGill,

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University of Washington, University of California,

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all these places that are in your neighborhood.

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But in addition to that, they had a extensive network

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of over 150 safe houses.

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They call them safe houses.

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When I was a child, I knew them as annexes.

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And in my two books that I talk about this in,

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these were called annexes.

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And that's where I met Dr. Dottlieb,

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who was known as Dr. Green.

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And I knew Dr. White, who was called Dr. White.

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And then a number of characters, Nanny Blacks,

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who took care of us, who are these sexually ambiguous,

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nun like figures who took care of the children.

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You were never sure if they were men or women.

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And, and then Dr. Browns, there were Dr. Browns

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that would take us out and do field training.

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Mine was largely at Disneyland in the 1950s.

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So it's very hard for me actually,

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emotionally going through these documents

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because my whole childhood is here.

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And how they did the annexes,

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I've even found some of the annexes that I was left in.

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They would go to a university or a hospital

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and offer millions of dollars

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to build a completely new wing named after whoever it is

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they're trying to bribe into approving this thing.

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This is one example.

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This is a wing at Georgetown University.

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And every floor except the top floor

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is a completely normal patient floor.

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Top floor is a CIA annex or safe house

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where they conduct all kinds of experiments

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and have no accountability to Georgetown University

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or anyone else on the medical staff.

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So no one even knows what's going on up there.

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And that's okay because they're funding the whole thing.

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They're paying for everything.

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So the same thing with McGill University

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in Canada and Montreal where they ran

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deep patterning experiments,

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which even involved completely extracting

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a person's personality and memory.

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So they left people with no memory of their lives.

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In my case, what they did to people like myself or Kathy

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is to break us up into multiple identities.

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And with enough trauma in a specific area,

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a person, a child is forced to use

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the more primitive areas of their brain.

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So you go into instinctual,

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you go into all kinds of survival modes

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that then create a separate identity

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for that particular experience.

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And then in the future, they can trick you

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by recreating that experience or mentioning words

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or sounds or smells or something that was used

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at the time that you were sent into that state.

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And that's how they can get you to do things

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that you would never physically do.

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You automatically react and then their plan

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is that you kill somebody or you assassinate somebody

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or you shoot someone or you do some crazy thing

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that no normal person would do and you would never do.

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So the multiple identities is a very big part of this.

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And I think we're seeing a lot of that

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in our society as well.

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We're also, the soul extraction was a very big part

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of mind control in my growing up.

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And very often it involved being tied down to a wheel

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with symbols all over it.

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And these are Nazi symbols.

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I've found them now in books and in research of my own,

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spun on that wheel while people chatted

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that there is no light, there is no dark,

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there is no good, there is no evil,

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there is no white, there's no black, on and on and on.

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And when you just can't stand it anymore

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and you're gonna vomit and you'll do anything

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to make it stop, they say, there's only green.

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And at that point, you're supposed to release your soul

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to them, your soul is green.

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So I never did that, but I can assure you

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that the green agenda, the green,

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it has nothing to do with ecology anymore

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than climate change has any real basis in climate.

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This was their attempt to create a mind controlled,

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soulless group of individuals that they could control.

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And I think to a large extent, they've done that.

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So I'm as interested to hear what you all think

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and I must say, Kathy is I think further in her process

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than I am and in terms of healing

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and helping other people heal.

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She's achieved a level of peace that I haven't.

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So I'll stop there, Alec.

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So Julia, do you wanna hit Kathy to take over now?

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Sure, yes.

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Julia, that was just absolutely profoundly,

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beautifully stated.

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You're just constantly glowing

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with so much comprehensive information.

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I really appreciate what you're doing

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and you're absolutely amazing.

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I am so fortunate to have survived my MKUltra ordeal

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as has Julia, so few have.

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I'm a survivor of CIA MKUltra mind control.

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I was used on a White House Pentagon level.

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I was deep in the Washington DC swamp among perpetrators

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who steal elections and use drug and human trafficking

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to fund their globalist slave society agenda

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and who are using mind control

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on the global population to usher it in.

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The formula for mind control is the same,

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whether it's of an individual, a nation or the world,

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a classroom, a military, whatever they want to target

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MKUltra mind control for the formula is exactly the same

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and trauma is the basis of it.

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It had been found through Hitler-Himmler research

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that there's no trauma more horrific on the human mind

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than sexual abuse of a child prior to age five

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while their brain is still forming.

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This sexual abuse is absolutely horrific

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as is satanic ritual abuse or blood trauma.

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That's one of the most horrific traumas

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on the human mind also.

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So these traumas are very much a part

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of MKUltra mind control.

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This formula for mind control came into the United States

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through Project Paperclip in the wake of World War II.

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When we imported the Nazi emphasia scientists into the US

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with them came the formula for mind control.

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These Nazi emphasia scientists included the NASA aspect

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that went into play and also Walt Disney was a part of it.

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And Walt Disney was associated with Werner von Braun

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of NASA, but it starts to raise a question.

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What does Disney have to do with NASA?

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And it's mind control.

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We can look at DARPA, common theme,

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moving through both.

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But the formula for mind control also includes sleep,

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food and water deprivation.

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Because if our brains are starved of nutrients

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we're more suggestible and easily led.

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Ultimately, this is a slave society mind control agenda

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to make people compliant, to allow for a handful

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of puppet masters to lead them into their

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globalist slave society agenda.

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I know from my experience in MTA Ultra Mind Control

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that without free thought, there's no free will.

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With no free will, there's no soul expression.

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With no soul expression, we lose our moral compass.

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We lose our discernment of truths.

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We lose our ability to have compassion for each other.

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We lose our ability to gather the strength

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of the human spirit and that infinite power of love

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that we're born with to be able to live our own life's

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purpose and why we're really even here.

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So ultimately, the mind control agenda becomes

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a spiritual warfare in that regard because it squashes

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our ability to have that kind of soul expression

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and strength of purpose and meaning to be able

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to take a stand against this globalist agenda

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and to take a stand for our children to effectively

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protect them from this pedophile agenda

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that's being pushed so hard globally.

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The pedophile agenda is a mind control agenda

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and I know it from my own personal experience.

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Monarch is a genetic mind control aspect of MK Ultra.

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Monarch targets families and Juliet, you just described

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so beautifully how that applied to you.

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And in my case, I was born into a multi-generational

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in-sus-based family.

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My father had been sexually abused

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and ritually abused as a child.

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My mother had been sexually abused and was trafficked

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to my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge.

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I was being sexually abused from infancy

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because they didn't, my parents didn't know any better.

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And this multi-generational aspect is because it was found

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in the Hitler-Himmler research that after three generations,

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any abuse-based, knowledge-based belief system

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becomes autogenic in the brain, it's passed down.

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Obviously your intelligence was passed down.

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And in my case, it was the complacency

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from the generations of sexual abuse.

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So I would have been more compliant just the way I was

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if I hadn't been abused, but I was sexually abused.

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My father's sexual abuse began in infancy.

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Before I could think to know what he was doing was wrong,

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but my brain knew it was wrong.

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And we have this defensive mechanism in our brain

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that we need to be aware of.

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And that's how our brains respond to trauma.

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And even though I didn't know what my father was doing

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was wrong, my brain knew I was enduring the pain

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and suffocation of his abuse.

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So it took memory of that traumatic event

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and buried it deep into the subconscious,

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repressed that memory, actually physically shut down

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neuron pathways around that trauma

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and buried it in my subconscious

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so the rest of my mind could develop and function normally.

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This is a mind saying defense to trauma,

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too horrible to comprehend.

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When we understand this is how our brains respond to trauma,

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we know why this pedophile agenda is being pushed so hard

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because it targets children at such an early age

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while their brain is still forming

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that this compartmentalization becomes

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a very heightened suggestibility

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and creates compliance.

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And that's ultimately what the point

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of all this mind control is about.

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My father's sexual abuse extended

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into child pornography of me.

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And my brain shut down neuron pathways around that event,

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repressed it into my subconscious

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so the rest of my mind could develop normally.

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Then my father's sexual abuse

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and the child pornography extended into trafficking.

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Grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge,

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so I was being trafficked as a very young toddler

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and used in blackmail operations

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that were already coming into play

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and the neuron pathways in my brain shut down around that

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and buried it deep into my subconscious.

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So all these neuron pathways are shutting down.

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As those neuron pathways are shutting down,

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more and more free thought capacities being lost,

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more conscious awareness and ability

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to even think anything through.

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Additionally, these compartmentalizations

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have no inner communication between them.

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So the sexual abuse that happened over here

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has no knowledge of the sexual abuse happening over here,

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which can create a heightened endurance

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because if there's no ability to understand

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that you've already been put through so much,

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then you're fresh over here when it's happening over here.

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The part of me that dealt with my father's sexual abuse

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would trigger open when he came into sexually abuse me again.

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And again, as needed,

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that triggering is what would open that up to happen again.

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And then also if he was using me in child pornography,

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I'd see the camera,

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the camera would trigger that part of me into it.

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If I was at the Blue Masonic Lodge

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among these politicians and local law enforcement

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that hung out there,

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then that part would trigger open to deal with it again

606
0:31:32 --> 0:31:36
and again as needed with no inner communication in between.

607
0:31:36 --> 0:31:38
With no inner communication

608
0:31:38 --> 0:31:40
in between the compartmentalized memory,

609
0:31:40 --> 0:31:43
there's no continuity of time.

610
0:31:43 --> 0:31:46
There's no ability to have a concept of time.

611
0:31:46 --> 0:31:50
There's no ability to have a continuity of thought

612
0:31:50 --> 0:31:55
to even think to dread something or to think to argue it

613
0:31:57 --> 0:31:58
or anything else,

614
0:31:58 --> 0:32:01
you only can do exactly what you're in

615
0:32:01 --> 0:32:04
that particular moment to do.

616
0:32:04 --> 0:32:07
My father was caught sending child pornography

617
0:32:07 --> 0:32:11
of me through the US mails like back in 1960

618
0:32:11 --> 0:32:14
when Project Paperclip had brought in

619
0:32:14 --> 0:32:18
the Nazi and fascist scientists that by 1947,

620
0:32:18 --> 0:32:21
the National Security Act came into play in 1947,

621
0:32:21 --> 0:32:26
the CIA came into being to carry out this globalist agenda

622
0:32:27 --> 0:32:29
and the National Security Act was used as a blanket

623
0:32:29 --> 0:32:31
to cover it up.

624
0:32:31 --> 0:32:33
Secrecy was their key,

625
0:32:33 --> 0:32:35
that's why they use secret societies

626
0:32:35 --> 0:32:38
like my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge.

627
0:32:38 --> 0:32:43
So when my father was caught sending child pornography

628
0:32:43 --> 0:32:46
of me through the US mails in the early 1960s,

629
0:32:46 --> 0:32:51
the local politician that I had been prostituted to

630
0:32:51 --> 0:32:53
as a little bitty toddler approached my father

631
0:32:53 --> 0:32:57
and told him that he could receive immunity for prosecution

632
0:32:57 --> 0:32:59
if he would agree to sell me into the CIA's

633
0:32:59 --> 0:33:02
MK Ultraman control project.

634
0:33:02 --> 0:33:05
My father agreed and sold me in.

635
0:33:05 --> 0:33:09
And this shows how long the justice system

636
0:33:09 --> 0:33:13
has been corrupted to allow for the proliferation

637
0:33:13 --> 0:33:18
of pedophilia because it is a mind control agenda

638
0:33:18 --> 0:33:23
necessary for fulfilling this new world order agenda.

639
0:33:23 --> 0:33:26
A.L.F. Hitler was the first to call it new world order

640
0:33:26 --> 0:33:30
and we hear these self-appointed, self-anointed global leaders

641
0:33:30 --> 0:33:34
that meet in secret and have control over nations

642
0:33:34 --> 0:33:39
and tell us how we're gonna be living our lives.

643
0:33:40 --> 0:33:45
They had that information on mind control too.

644
0:33:45 --> 0:33:48
So there's these secret societies are key

645
0:33:48 --> 0:33:51
to keeping the information secret

646
0:33:51 --> 0:33:56
because knowledge is our defense against mind control.

647
0:33:56 --> 0:33:58
And it certainly is a reason why I speak out.

648
0:33:58 --> 0:34:02
I know is a big part of why Juliet speaks out,

649
0:34:02 --> 0:34:05
because we need to keep, get this information out there

650
0:34:05 --> 0:34:08
because it is our defense against mind control.

651
0:34:08 --> 0:34:10
When we understand what's happening,

652
0:34:10 --> 0:34:14
then we know to safeguard our minds against trauma.

653
0:34:14 --> 0:34:19
And it gives us understanding into why we experience

654
0:34:19 --> 0:34:22
trauma after trauma after trauma today.

655
0:34:22 --> 0:34:25
It's intended to heighten the suggestibility

656
0:34:25 --> 0:34:29
of the global population.

657
0:34:29 --> 0:34:31
When my father agreed to sell me into the project,

658
0:34:31 --> 0:34:35
he was immediately flown to Boston, Massachusetts,

659
0:34:35 --> 0:34:39
where he was trained by Cardinal Law

660
0:34:39 --> 0:34:40
on how to raise me in the project.

661
0:34:40 --> 0:34:42
Cardinal Law was named as a head

662
0:34:42 --> 0:34:46
of the infamous Catholic child abuse scandal

663
0:34:46 --> 0:34:49
that covered up pedophilia within the Catholic church

664
0:34:49 --> 0:34:52
and that allowed for the pedophile priest

665
0:34:52 --> 0:34:56
to just be moved from one church to the other.

666
0:34:56 --> 0:34:58
And my father was taught then

667
0:35:00 --> 0:35:02
that he was to take me to my local church,

668
0:35:02 --> 0:35:05
which was involved with the CIA.

669
0:35:06 --> 0:35:08
And he was a very important person

670
0:35:08 --> 0:35:12
for creating MK Ultra Mind Control slaves like myself.

671
0:35:12 --> 0:35:17
And I was subjected to significant satanic occult ritual

672
0:35:19 --> 0:35:22
within the church from that point on.

673
0:35:22 --> 0:35:27
So by the time I was six years old,

674
0:35:27 --> 0:35:29
I was losing my free thought completely

675
0:35:29 --> 0:35:31
to the MK Ultra Mind Control.

676
0:35:31 --> 0:35:34
I was shot down from the occult trauma.

677
0:35:34 --> 0:35:39
And then this local politician

678
0:35:39 --> 0:35:42
that gave my father immunity from prosecution

679
0:35:42 --> 0:35:44
was Gerald Ford.

680
0:35:44 --> 0:35:47
Gerald Ford went on to become the unelected president

681
0:35:47 --> 0:35:49
of the United States.

682
0:35:49 --> 0:35:52
As his political career escalated,

683
0:35:52 --> 0:35:55
so too did my victimization in MK Ultra Mind Control

684
0:35:55 --> 0:36:00
until I was used on a White House Pentagon level.

685
0:36:00 --> 0:36:03
And to prepare me for that,

686
0:36:03 --> 0:36:08
I was taken to places like that was the Epstein Island

687
0:36:08 --> 0:36:11
of its time, Mackinac Island, Michigan,

688
0:36:11 --> 0:36:16
where MK Ultra was being discussed among global leaders.

689
0:36:16 --> 0:36:21
And these global leaders don't trust each other either.

690
0:36:21 --> 0:36:24
So they hold each other by the blackmail, so to speak.

691
0:36:24 --> 0:36:29
These blackmail videos have been around my whole life.

692
0:36:29 --> 0:36:32
And we hear of them now with Epstein Island

693
0:36:32 --> 0:36:34
and the Diddy tapes and all,

694
0:36:34 --> 0:36:38
but these blackmail videos are used because again,

695
0:36:38 --> 0:36:40
they don't trust each other either.

696
0:36:40 --> 0:36:45
So I was prostituted to leaders like Pierre Trudeau,

697
0:36:46 --> 0:36:51
who is an expert in MK Ultra Mind Control from Canada,

698
0:36:51 --> 0:36:56
that was an expert on it in individuals and of nations.

699
0:36:56 --> 0:37:01
So this experience that I had then was one

700
0:37:02 --> 0:37:07
that began preparing me for how I would be used

701
0:37:07 --> 0:37:08
in later years.

702
0:37:08 --> 0:37:12
I was taken to various NASA, military,

703
0:37:12 --> 0:37:14
and DARPA installations.

704
0:37:14 --> 0:37:18
I was also taken to the underground at Disney World

705
0:37:18 --> 0:37:20
in Florida and programmed there.

706
0:37:20 --> 0:37:24
Those are MK Ultra Mind Control programming epicenters.

707
0:37:24 --> 0:37:27
Not only was Walt Disney actively involved

708
0:37:27 --> 0:37:32
in subliminally manipulating the minds of the masses

709
0:37:32 --> 0:37:34
into accepting pedophilia.

710
0:37:34 --> 0:37:37
When we look at the Disney movies,

711
0:37:37 --> 0:37:39
way back from their onset,

712
0:37:39 --> 0:37:42
they were promoting pedophilia subliminally.

713
0:37:42 --> 0:37:44
They were promoting,

714
0:37:44 --> 0:37:47
they were using trauma and separating families throughout.

715
0:37:47 --> 0:37:51
So that was going on on that level.

716
0:37:51 --> 0:37:54
On that level, it has infiltrated subliminally

717
0:37:54 --> 0:37:57
into society for generations now.

718
0:37:57 --> 0:38:02
They also were using significant DARPA related

719
0:38:02 --> 0:38:04
MK Ultra Mind Control techniques

720
0:38:04 --> 0:38:06
in the underworld of Disney World,

721
0:38:06 --> 0:38:09
where even the military is taken

722
0:38:09 --> 0:38:13
for sophisticated MK Ultra Mind Control programming.

723
0:38:13 --> 0:38:18
So this kind of programming would take,

724
0:38:18 --> 0:38:22
like when my father would come in to sexually abuse me again,

725
0:38:22 --> 0:38:24
they would take that compartmentalized memory spot

726
0:38:24 --> 0:38:29
and put a word or a hand signal or a harmonic tone

727
0:38:29 --> 0:38:32
to open those neuron pathways.

728
0:38:32 --> 0:38:36
The harmonics can vibrate the neuron pathways of the brain

729
0:38:36 --> 0:38:41
so that technological aspect was coming into play.

730
0:38:41 --> 0:38:44
Very fortunately for me,

731
0:38:44 --> 0:38:49
the experiences I had in MK Ultra Mind Control,

732
0:38:49 --> 0:38:53
the various operations that I was used in

733
0:38:54 --> 0:38:56
are detailed in my testimony,

734
0:38:56 --> 0:38:59
my 1995 testimony for Congress,

735
0:38:59 --> 0:39:01
Transformation of America.

736
0:39:01 --> 0:39:04
It was censored under national security.

737
0:39:04 --> 0:39:05
But when you look through it,

738
0:39:05 --> 0:39:08
you will see that that testimony back then

739
0:39:08 --> 0:39:11
describes much of what's happening today,

740
0:39:11 --> 0:39:15
right down to the vaccines that was planned.

741
0:39:15 --> 0:39:17
When Mind Control, masked as a virus,

742
0:39:17 --> 0:39:22
was unleashed on the global population in 2020,

743
0:39:22 --> 0:39:24
I knew because I had the knowledge

744
0:39:24 --> 0:39:26
as our defense against Mind Control,

745
0:39:26 --> 0:39:31
not to cooperate with the repetitive media narrative,

746
0:39:32 --> 0:39:35
repetitions, the most basic form of Mind Control.

747
0:39:35 --> 0:39:37
That's what the media does to us.

748
0:39:37 --> 0:39:39
And the media was telling us,

749
0:39:39 --> 0:39:44
mask up, get the injection, social distance,

750
0:39:44 --> 0:39:47
shelter at home, repetitive over and over again,

751
0:39:47 --> 0:39:50
tell people had no choice but to comply

752
0:39:50 --> 0:39:54
unless they were aware of that kind of manipulation.

753
0:39:54 --> 0:39:55
And again, that's the knowledge

754
0:39:55 --> 0:39:58
that it's our defense against Mind Control.

755
0:39:58 --> 0:40:00
I certainly wouldn't cooperate with the masks.

756
0:40:00 --> 0:40:04
Masks are used in MK Ultra Mind Control.

757
0:40:04 --> 0:40:05
Thank Michael Jackson.

758
0:40:05 --> 0:40:08
Michael Jackson wore the mask

759
0:40:08 --> 0:40:12
and they're used because they depersonalize

760
0:40:12 --> 0:40:15
and they also muffle voices,

761
0:40:15 --> 0:40:19
but above all, they inhibit oxygen necessary to the brain

762
0:40:19 --> 0:40:23
for critical analysis, free thought.

763
0:40:23 --> 0:40:26
Muffling voices from the social distancing,

764
0:40:26 --> 0:40:29
six feet away, kept people from talking with each other.

765
0:40:29 --> 0:40:34
And I could see that the whole world was getting

766
0:40:35 --> 0:40:40
a taste of what MK Ultra Mind Control is all about.

767
0:40:40 --> 0:40:43
The injection is part of a depopulation agenda.

768
0:40:43 --> 0:40:47
It's detailed in my 1995 testimony.

769
0:40:47 --> 0:40:51
And we need to be aware of that aspect.

770
0:40:51 --> 0:40:53
I'm so happy to see that this group

771
0:40:53 --> 0:40:57
is absolutely against the vaccines

772
0:40:57 --> 0:41:01
because they are intended to depopulate.

773
0:41:01 --> 0:41:05
And very fortunately for me,

774
0:41:05 --> 0:41:07
an intelligence insider who has worked

775
0:41:07 --> 0:41:11
in the highest levels of intelligence mind sciences

776
0:41:11 --> 0:41:16
in Washington, DC, saw how Mind Control was being used

777
0:41:19 --> 0:41:23
to erode our constitutional values

778
0:41:23 --> 0:41:26
of freedom and justice for all.

779
0:41:26 --> 0:41:30
He was working to preserve the sanctity of free thought

780
0:41:30 --> 0:41:34
and everything that he was working for was being violated.

781
0:41:34 --> 0:41:38
Mark's level of intelligence was extremely high

782
0:41:38 --> 0:41:43
where he could wear any hat, whether it was CIA, NSA,

783
0:41:43 --> 0:41:47
Secret Service, FBI, whatever he needed to be

784
0:41:47 --> 0:41:52
is what he wore to be in key places at key times.

785
0:41:56 --> 0:42:00
He saw how the pedophile agenda was being used

786
0:42:00 --> 0:42:04
in blackmail ops to compromise any politicians

787
0:42:04 --> 0:42:07
or people in influence, peoples in positions

788
0:42:07 --> 0:42:12
of influence and power to force them into complying

789
0:42:14 --> 0:42:16
with this globalist agenda.

790
0:42:16 --> 0:42:21
He was especially appalled to see little children

791
0:42:21 --> 0:42:24
being taken in and out of the White House

792
0:42:24 --> 0:42:29
for these pedophile blackmail purposes.

793
0:42:29 --> 0:42:33
And that's when he decided that he was gonna do something

794
0:42:33 --> 0:42:36
about it, Mark was bound by laws of sedition

795
0:42:36 --> 0:42:38
and he couldn't just speak about it,

796
0:42:38 --> 0:42:40
but he could take action.

797
0:42:40 --> 0:42:43
And that was when he lifted my daughter and me

798
0:42:43 --> 0:42:46
right out of the Washington, DC human trafficking swamp

799
0:42:46 --> 0:42:51
all the way back in 1988 and handed me keys to my own mind

800
0:42:53 --> 0:42:57
so that I could heal from 30 years

801
0:42:57 --> 0:43:01
of torturous, robotic MK ultra mind control

802
0:43:01 --> 0:43:05
where I didn't even have a capacity to think for myself anymore

803
0:43:05 --> 0:43:10
or speak for myself or even protect my own daughter,

804
0:43:12 --> 0:43:16
which is an absolute outrage.

805
0:43:16 --> 0:43:19
Instead that was used as the most extreme trauma.

806
0:43:20 --> 0:43:22
I would do anything to keep her from being hurt.

807
0:43:22 --> 0:43:26
And I found out that she had been told the same thing

808
0:43:27 --> 0:43:29
that if she would take the abuse, I would be spared.

809
0:43:29 --> 0:43:32
And so that love was used against us,

810
0:43:32 --> 0:43:35
much the way that it was used against the global population

811
0:43:35 --> 0:43:39
with mind control master's of virus

812
0:43:39 --> 0:43:41
because it tore families apart

813
0:43:41 --> 0:43:46
between those who knew that who were thinking free

814
0:43:47 --> 0:43:50
and those who were buying into the media narrative.

815
0:43:50 --> 0:43:52
Love overcomes all.

816
0:43:52 --> 0:43:55
And when we understand mind control,

817
0:43:55 --> 0:43:58
we've realized that what has happened,

818
0:43:58 --> 0:44:03
it will help to reunite families and let them know too

819
0:44:03 --> 0:44:05
that we are not responsible

820
0:44:05 --> 0:44:07
for what we do under mind control.

821
0:44:07 --> 0:44:10
Our abusers are responsible for that.

822
0:44:10 --> 0:44:14
They need to be held accountable for their actions.

823
0:44:14 --> 0:44:18
Mark Phillips had found that pertinent information,

824
0:44:18 --> 0:44:23
our birthright information on our mind brain function

825
0:44:23 --> 0:44:27
had been suppressed under national security.

826
0:44:27 --> 0:44:31
It was buried so that after three generations,

827
0:44:31 --> 0:44:34
people would forget that they have all the power.

828
0:44:34 --> 0:44:36
They were kept looking outside themselves

829
0:44:36 --> 0:44:39
to big government, big pharma, big tech,

830
0:44:39 --> 0:44:41
big cult to cult religion,

831
0:44:41 --> 0:44:44
rather than realizing that we have been blessed

832
0:44:44 --> 0:44:47
with the most resilient body, mind and spirit.

833
0:44:47 --> 0:44:51
We have so much healing capacity within ourselves

834
0:44:51 --> 0:44:55
that these perpetrators had buried this information

835
0:44:55 --> 0:44:57
under national security.

836
0:44:57 --> 0:44:59
They kept it from the medical community.

837
0:44:59 --> 0:45:02
They kept it from the mental health community.

838
0:45:02 --> 0:45:05
They kept it from society as a whole,

839
0:45:05 --> 0:45:07
but it's our birthright information.

840
0:45:07 --> 0:45:11
So Mark didn't deprogram me.

841
0:45:11 --> 0:45:15
He reminded me that it was within me to heal myself.

842
0:45:15 --> 0:45:18
And he handed me those keys.

843
0:45:18 --> 0:45:21
And those keys are in PTSD, time to heal.

844
0:45:21 --> 0:45:25
They're posted on my website at trans-formation.com.

845
0:45:25 --> 0:45:27
So everyone can apply this,

846
0:45:27 --> 0:45:30
these easy to self-apply techniques to themselves,

847
0:45:30 --> 0:45:34
because it just reminds us that we have all the power.

848
0:45:34 --> 0:45:37
These perpetrators only have as much power

849
0:45:37 --> 0:45:39
as we give them or let them steal.

850
0:45:39 --> 0:45:40
We have it all.

851
0:45:40 --> 0:45:42
And we just need to remember.

852
0:45:42 --> 0:45:44
And remember, what else we remember,

853
0:45:44 --> 0:45:47
who we are and why we're here.

854
0:45:47 --> 0:45:50
We can live the love we are as game over.

855
0:45:50 --> 0:45:53
Now they feed off of such a low vibration.

856
0:45:53 --> 0:45:56
That's why they wanna keep us at a low vibration.

857
0:45:56 --> 0:45:59
They're scared of the strength of the human spirit.

858
0:45:59 --> 0:46:01
They're scared that we're gonna remember

859
0:46:01 --> 0:46:03
that we have all that power within us

860
0:46:03 --> 0:46:06
and start living the love we are.

861
0:46:06 --> 0:46:08
That's such a high vibration.

862
0:46:08 --> 0:46:09
They can't affect it.

863
0:46:09 --> 0:46:13
The only thing they can do is affect our ability

864
0:46:13 --> 0:46:18
to think, to utilize it through mind control.

865
0:46:18 --> 0:46:22
That is ultimately what their purpose and their agenda is.

866
0:46:22 --> 0:46:25
And when we remember that we have all the power,

867
0:46:25 --> 0:46:29
we can apply the easy to apply healing methods

868
0:46:29 --> 0:46:30
and PTSD time to heal.

869
0:46:30 --> 0:46:35
And that is simple things that Mark taught me,

870
0:46:35 --> 0:46:38
like picking up a pen and writing out memory,

871
0:46:38 --> 0:46:41
writing out trauma, writing out fear,

872
0:46:41 --> 0:46:45
write out whatever negativity is immobilizing us.

873
0:46:45 --> 0:46:49
The very act of moving a pen activates the logic,

874
0:46:49 --> 0:46:52
critical analysis part of the brain

875
0:46:52 --> 0:46:56
and information is shifted from those repressed,

876
0:46:56 --> 0:46:59
emotionally incomprehensible traumas.

877
0:46:59 --> 0:47:04
It opens that up and brings it over to the logic part

878
0:47:04 --> 0:47:07
of the brain where it's written out, consciously seen,

879
0:47:07 --> 0:47:10
and all of a sudden healing is happening,

880
0:47:10 --> 0:47:13
psychiatrically, psychologically, emotionally,

881
0:47:13 --> 0:47:15
spiritually, it's all happening

882
0:47:15 --> 0:47:17
with this one little simple brain hack

883
0:47:17 --> 0:47:19
of picking up a pen and paper.

884
0:47:19 --> 0:47:22
Typing does not do the same thing,

885
0:47:23 --> 0:47:27
especially the twiddling thumbs on a cell phone,

886
0:47:27 --> 0:47:28
does not do the same thing.

887
0:47:28 --> 0:47:31
It's very important to pick up that pen and paper

888
0:47:31 --> 0:47:34
and begin writing.

889
0:47:34 --> 0:47:37
If we get writing by hand back in the school systems,

890
0:47:37 --> 0:47:40
we can stop the indoctrination of our children

891
0:47:40 --> 0:47:44
and that would be a great thing for all of us.

892
0:47:44 --> 0:47:46
Everybody everywhere can use this

893
0:47:46 --> 0:47:50
to overcome their fear and trauma, just simply write it out.

894
0:47:50 --> 0:47:55
And I suggest you use a solution

895
0:47:56 --> 0:47:58
because when you add a solution,

896
0:47:58 --> 0:48:01
you're forcing your brain to fire in new ways.

897
0:48:01 --> 0:48:04
You're lifting up out of that darkness,

898
0:48:04 --> 0:48:06
opening more neuron pathways,

899
0:48:06 --> 0:48:08
you're able to see a clear path forward

900
0:48:08 --> 0:48:13
and that inspires an ability to take action.

901
0:48:13 --> 0:48:18
Again, the MK Ultra Mind Control shuts down neuron pathways

902
0:48:19 --> 0:48:22
and we need to open those neuron pathways

903
0:48:22 --> 0:48:24
and this is a simple way to do it.

904
0:48:24 --> 0:48:27
As we do that, we need to shut off our devices,

905
0:48:27 --> 0:48:30
get outside, breathe in the air,

906
0:48:30 --> 0:48:34
feel the sun on our skin, feel the breeze,

907
0:48:34 --> 0:48:37
consciously feel all that reconnect with the earth,

908
0:48:37 --> 0:48:41
take your shoes off, feel the earth beneath your feet.

909
0:48:41 --> 0:48:44
These are all just simple little things that we all can do

910
0:48:44 --> 0:48:49
to reclaim our free thought, free will, soul expression

911
0:48:50 --> 0:48:53
and be able to preserve our humanity

912
0:48:53 --> 0:48:56
because this whole spiritual aspect

913
0:48:56 --> 0:48:58
is ultimately their agenda.

914
0:48:58 --> 0:49:00
When we reclaim it, it's game over.

915
0:49:00 --> 0:49:05
We win, they lose and we have so many abilities

916
0:49:05 --> 0:49:10
to be exploring from there to remember our capacity

917
0:49:10 --> 0:49:15
for healing physically, mentally, psychologically,

918
0:49:15 --> 0:49:19
psychiatrically, spiritually, all those levels at once.

919
0:49:19 --> 0:49:23
It's a celebration that we have been blessed

920
0:49:23 --> 0:49:25
with the victory all along.

921
0:49:26 --> 0:49:31
Wow, Cathy, beautifully expressed, beautifully put.

922
0:49:32 --> 0:49:34
Now, before Stephen starts, Daria,

923
0:49:34 --> 0:49:36
I would like to invite you to say

924
0:49:36 --> 0:49:39
whatever you feel like saying because Juliet

925
0:49:39 --> 0:49:42
and Cathy are with us because you persisted with us

926
0:49:42 --> 0:49:44
to say we've got to listen to their story.

927
0:49:44 --> 0:49:46
So well done on your persistence

928
0:49:46 --> 0:49:48
and being a pain in the ass.

929
0:49:48 --> 0:49:53
So please, what would you like to say before Stephen?

930
0:49:54 --> 0:49:57
Okay, well, again, this is a thank you so much again

931
0:49:57 --> 0:49:59
for coming on Cathy and Juliet.

932
0:49:59 --> 0:50:01
Thank you so much, Stephen and Charles

933
0:50:01 --> 0:50:03
for organizing and coordinating this

934
0:50:03 --> 0:50:06
because this has been a big piece

935
0:50:06 --> 0:50:09
of what we've been talking about with the craziness

936
0:50:09 --> 0:50:14
that started with COVID, but a lot of us were speaking out

937
0:50:14 --> 0:50:17
about different things in society that were problematic,

938
0:50:17 --> 0:50:20
the wokeness in the schools and all this

939
0:50:21 --> 0:50:26
and to crystallize it down into this base mechanism,

940
0:50:26 --> 0:50:30
this operational mechanism of psychological warfare

941
0:50:30 --> 0:50:35
that has been experienced by our panelists here

942
0:50:35 --> 0:50:38
and our guests and going all the way back to the 50s.

943
0:50:38 --> 0:50:42
I mean, this really was hatched out of World War II, I think,

944
0:50:42 --> 0:50:44
but it explains a lot.

945
0:50:44 --> 0:50:47
It explains a lot, a big part of the sexual revolution.

946
0:50:47 --> 0:50:51
It explains the compromise of not only the hierarchy

947
0:50:51 --> 0:50:53
in the Catholic Church in Rome,

948
0:50:53 --> 0:50:57
and that's where I posted the link to Operation Gladio,

949
0:50:57 --> 0:51:02
but everything that's happened that has compromised morality,

950
0:51:03 --> 0:51:06
broken up family, all of it is coming from the same place.

951
0:51:06 --> 0:51:09
And this is the actual operational mechanism

952
0:51:09 --> 0:51:13
that allowed it to diffuse so extensively

953
0:51:13 --> 0:51:15
through societies all over the world.

954
0:51:15 --> 0:51:17
And that's why I wanted to,

955
0:51:17 --> 0:51:21
when we have two eyewitnesses that live through it

956
0:51:21 --> 0:51:25
and are still got all their marbles

957
0:51:25 --> 0:51:27
and can tell us the story and it's validated

958
0:51:27 --> 0:51:32
in the CIA report, you know, this is far beyond.

959
0:51:32 --> 0:51:35
And there's something very special and blessed

960
0:51:35 --> 0:51:38
that Juliet and Kathy were able to live through all that

961
0:51:38 --> 0:51:42
and still be able to speak about it

962
0:51:42 --> 0:51:45
and take action to protect others

963
0:51:46 --> 0:51:50
and inform others from falling into the same trap.

964
0:51:50 --> 0:51:52
And it was funny because when I started returning back

965
0:51:52 --> 0:51:55
to faith four years ago now, yeah,

966
0:51:57 --> 0:51:59
one of the things I told the priest when I first met him

967
0:51:59 --> 0:52:02
was there are people walking around on this planet

968
0:52:02 --> 0:52:04
that I don't think have souls.

969
0:52:04 --> 0:52:06
And it's terrifying right now to sit here

970
0:52:06 --> 0:52:09
and hear Kathy mention that,

971
0:52:09 --> 0:52:12
and Juliet mentioned that they try to steal your soul.

972
0:52:12 --> 0:52:15
So what we've subjectively encountered,

973
0:52:15 --> 0:52:17
I mean, some people have that little cartoon meme

974
0:52:17 --> 0:52:21
of the NPC, the non-player gray faced character.

975
0:52:21 --> 0:52:24
People have that happen, their minds are clouded,

976
0:52:24 --> 0:52:26
their conscience is blunted.

977
0:52:26 --> 0:52:30
And it is this tampering with the neuroplasticity

978
0:52:30 --> 0:52:32
of a developing brain in childhood

979
0:52:32 --> 0:52:34
that it makes us so criminal.

980
0:52:34 --> 0:52:37
It still can be overcome and, you know,

981
0:52:37 --> 0:52:41
love, care, compassion and protection.

982
0:52:41 --> 0:52:45
People have to learn how to become safe and be safe

983
0:52:45 --> 0:52:48
and be around people that help them be safe

984
0:52:48 --> 0:52:49
so they can fight through this.

985
0:52:49 --> 0:52:52
And it's just incredible.

986
0:52:52 --> 0:52:53
And we've all probably,

987
0:52:53 --> 0:52:57
if we really examined our memories and our conscience,

988
0:52:57 --> 0:52:59
we could probably find a place where we got tripped up

989
0:52:59 --> 0:53:00
by some of this nonsense.

990
0:53:00 --> 0:53:02
And I grew up during the 70s.

991
0:53:02 --> 0:53:03
I was in high school in the 70s

992
0:53:03 --> 0:53:07
and junior high in the early 70s

993
0:53:07 --> 0:53:09
and then graduated high school in 78.

994
0:53:09 --> 0:53:13
So all of this decadence was just everywhere

995
0:53:13 --> 0:53:14
and it was so prevalent.

996
0:53:14 --> 0:53:16
And I grew up outside of Chicago.

997
0:53:16 --> 0:53:21
So we also had the influence of the two CIA headquarters,

998
0:53:21 --> 0:53:24
the one in Gary, Indiana and the one in Chicago.

999
0:53:24 --> 0:53:26
So it was heavily infiltrated.

1000
0:53:26 --> 0:53:29
So if you wanna know why some places rotten to the core,

1001
0:53:29 --> 0:53:31
this is a big piece of it.

1002
0:53:31 --> 0:53:34
So we've just added a gigantic piece to the puzzle

1003
0:53:34 --> 0:53:35
that connects a lot of dots

1004
0:53:35 --> 0:53:38
that we've all been talking about for a long time.

1005
0:53:38 --> 0:53:39
Thank you so much.

1006
0:53:39 --> 0:53:40
God bless you both.

1007
0:53:41 --> 0:53:42
Well said, Daria.

1008
0:53:42 --> 0:53:44
Well said.

1009
0:53:44 --> 0:53:46
All right, Stephen, the next 15 minutes is yours

1010
0:53:46 --> 0:53:48
and then we've got a lot of hands up.

1011
0:53:48 --> 0:53:51
Yeah, so I'll try my best.

1012
0:53:51 --> 0:53:52
It's hard to follow that,

1013
0:53:52 --> 0:53:55
but Daria of course is a neurosurgeon.

1014
0:53:55 --> 0:53:59
So maybe she had a particular interest in it.

1015
0:53:59 --> 0:54:01
And so did I, Daria.

1016
0:54:01 --> 0:54:03
You remember four years ago now,

1017
0:54:03 --> 0:54:06
I was talking about they were deliberately

1018
0:54:06 --> 0:54:08
raping the souls of human beings

1019
0:54:08 --> 0:54:10
and people were telling me off for saying that.

1020
0:54:10 --> 0:54:14
And prior to that, psychological torture.

1021
0:54:14 --> 0:54:19
And so we had the Canadian guy, expert,

1022
0:54:19 --> 0:54:23
well, he knows about mind control and what was his name?

1023
0:54:23 --> 0:54:24
Speak to us.

1024
0:54:26 --> 0:54:27
And I remember saying then

1025
0:54:27 --> 0:54:30
that we need to get to the bottom of this mind control,

1026
0:54:30 --> 0:54:34
but I never thought that we would have two victims

1027
0:54:34 --> 0:54:38
of mind control from the 50s talking to us.

1028
0:54:39 --> 0:54:42
And I also, even if we had you speaking to us, Kathy

1029
0:54:42 --> 0:54:45
and Juliet, I didn't for one minute think

1030
0:54:45 --> 0:54:50
that they would release that 1200 page document

1031
0:54:50 --> 0:54:55
on the 23rd of December, 19, sorry, 2024.

1032
0:54:55 --> 0:55:00
So on the best day to bury bad news,

1033
0:55:00 --> 0:55:03
I can't remember who actually came up with that phrase

1034
0:55:03 --> 0:55:07
on 9-11, but you cannot think of a better day

1035
0:55:07 --> 0:55:11
than the 23rd of September last year

1036
0:55:11 --> 0:55:14
or any year to bury bad news.

1037
0:55:14 --> 0:55:17
Why did they want to get that document out?

1038
0:55:17 --> 0:55:18
It's a gift to you, isn't it?

1039
0:55:18 --> 0:55:22
And I just wonder, have you had numerous requests

1040
0:55:22 --> 0:55:23
for interviews?

1041
0:55:23 --> 0:55:24
I suspect not.

1042
0:55:24 --> 0:55:26
And why do you think that is?

1043
0:55:27 --> 0:55:31
Well, I think it's, people just haven't discovered it yet.

1044
0:55:31 --> 0:55:34
I've been waiting for Jerome Corsi to come across it

1045
0:55:34 --> 0:55:36
and contact me.

1046
0:55:36 --> 0:55:40
I'm surprised he hasn't, I don't see him on the screen.

1047
0:55:40 --> 0:55:42
He's on the call, yeah.

1048
0:55:42 --> 0:55:46
Yes, because I would love to talk to him about that.

1049
0:55:46 --> 0:55:49
But people just haven't- This is a big story of all,

1050
0:55:49 --> 0:55:51
in my opinion, Juliet, do you think that?

1051
0:55:51 --> 0:55:56
Yes, and it's essential, they had to put that out

1052
0:55:56 --> 0:55:58
before other documents could come out.

1053
0:55:58 --> 0:56:01
And it had to come out before anything about the truth

1054
0:56:01 --> 0:56:03
about the Epstein list could come out.

1055
0:56:03 --> 0:56:05
It had to come out before you could really get

1056
0:56:05 --> 0:56:09
into the P Diddy stuff and what's going on in California,

1057
0:56:09 --> 0:56:12
which New California is deep into.

1058
0:56:14 --> 0:56:16
And also the JFK files.

1059
0:56:16 --> 0:56:19
You can't explain the JFK assassination

1060
0:56:19 --> 0:56:23
until you understand what was going on with MK Ultra.

1061
0:56:23 --> 0:56:25
This is the foundation of all of that.

1062
0:56:25 --> 0:56:29
And the basis of this is Mein Kampf.

1063
0:56:29 --> 0:56:32
And do you know that you cannot get a copy of Mein Kampf

1064
0:56:32 --> 0:56:34
in German or English now?

1065
0:56:34 --> 0:56:36
Yes, I've heard that.

1066
0:56:36 --> 0:56:41
And the translation of it was done by, into English,

1067
0:56:41 --> 0:56:44
was done in the 1930s by Alan Cranston,

1068
0:56:44 --> 0:56:48
who became a Senator and was later my handler in MK Ultra.

1069
0:56:48 --> 0:56:50
He translated it into English.

1070
0:56:50 --> 0:56:54
He translated it so badly that Hitler sued him

1071
0:56:54 --> 0:56:57
in an American court and won the case.

1072
0:56:57 --> 0:57:00
However, his translation is all that we can get.

1073
0:57:00 --> 0:57:03
And his translation is 70,000 words.

1074
0:57:03 --> 0:57:08
The book itself was 300,000 words and we can't get it.

1075
0:57:08 --> 0:57:12
And except that when I was a little child,

1076
0:57:13 --> 0:57:16
Alan Cranston and other California politicians

1077
0:57:16 --> 0:57:20
and important people would take groups of small children.

1078
0:57:20 --> 0:57:23
I was about seven or eight at the time to Mexico,

1079
0:57:23 --> 0:57:27
to Rosarito Beach, where there's a autonomous

1080
0:57:27 --> 0:57:29
University of Mexico campus.

1081
0:57:29 --> 0:57:33
And it was just a few trailers and an old satanic church

1082
0:57:33 --> 0:57:37
and teach us from Mein Kampf.

1083
0:57:37 --> 0:57:41
So that he was teaching from the mysticism,

1084
0:57:41 --> 0:57:43
from the Nazi ideology.

1085
0:57:43 --> 0:57:45
He was teaching me to be a real girl.

1086
0:57:45 --> 0:57:47
He was, they were teaching.

1087
0:57:47 --> 0:57:51
And we spent basically two weeks in the sun

1088
0:57:51 --> 0:57:54
with no clothes, no washing, no, I mean, we were,

1089
0:57:54 --> 0:57:57
he took us down to feral children.

1090
0:57:57 --> 0:58:00
So, I don't know how I can't,

1091
0:58:00 --> 0:58:02
there was also a lot of drugs involved.

1092
0:58:02 --> 0:58:06
And so they created feral children.

1093
0:58:06 --> 0:58:09
They were taking children that they had decided were smart

1094
0:58:09 --> 0:58:12
and had a lot of strength and had a lot of like

1095
0:58:12 --> 0:58:15
remote viewing innate abilities.

1096
0:58:15 --> 0:58:19
And they were training us using the original text

1097
0:58:19 --> 0:58:24
of Mein Kampf, which he knew backwards and forwards

1098
0:58:25 --> 0:58:28
since he'd gotten hold of it in the 1930s.

1099
0:58:29 --> 0:58:31
So.

1100
0:58:31 --> 0:58:33
So Juliette, Jerome is here.

1101
0:58:33 --> 0:58:35
Jerome, you've been listening all this time.

1102
0:58:35 --> 0:58:35
Hi.

1103
0:58:35 --> 0:58:39
I'm, I have your book right here.

1104
0:58:39 --> 0:58:41
Great, there it is.

1105
0:58:41 --> 0:58:43
Do you have another book that you're talking about

1106
0:58:43 --> 0:58:44
that you wanna do?

1107
0:58:45 --> 0:58:48
Actually, that's the one that talks about my childhood,

1108
0:58:48 --> 0:58:50
growing up in MKL track.

1109
0:58:50 --> 0:58:52
I've reviewed it, I've done podcasts on it.

1110
0:58:52 --> 0:58:54
We've spoken about it.

1111
0:58:55 --> 0:58:57
So, I mean, it sounded like you had another book

1112
0:58:57 --> 0:58:58
that you were talking about.

1113
0:58:58 --> 0:59:00
If you did, I'd be interested.

1114
0:59:00 --> 0:59:03
Well, I had, I just started to remember

1115
0:59:03 --> 0:59:06
the process of interviewing and working with New California.

1116
0:59:06 --> 0:59:10
And I've done interviews with JJ Carroll,

1117
0:59:10 --> 0:59:14
who's a California, was a California border control agent

1118
0:59:14 --> 0:59:16
and it stimulated more memories.

1119
0:59:16 --> 0:59:18
So I could definitely write another book

1120
0:59:18 --> 0:59:21
which should be more detailed in terms of the people

1121
0:59:21 --> 0:59:22
on the other side involved.

1122
0:59:22 --> 0:59:24
But I don't know how useful that would be,

1123
0:59:24 --> 0:59:27
but I'll be glad to talk to you about it anytime.

1124
0:59:27 --> 0:59:29
If you and Darya wanted to do something,

1125
0:59:29 --> 0:59:32
if you wanna do something more analytic about it

1126
0:59:32 --> 0:59:36
or carry it forward in terms of what the impact

1127
0:59:36 --> 0:59:38
was on the JFK assassination and all the rest of it,

1128
0:59:38 --> 0:59:40
that would be interesting.

1129
0:59:40 --> 0:59:43
I mean, but I have, we've done interviews on this and...

1130
0:59:45 --> 0:59:47
But Jerome, have you done any interviews

1131
0:59:47 --> 0:59:50
on what has happened?

1132
0:59:50 --> 0:59:52
So the document which was published

1133
0:59:52 --> 0:59:54
just before Christmas last year,

1134
0:59:54 --> 0:59:56
have you done any interviews in the light

1135
0:59:56 --> 0:59:58
of what's in those documents?

1136
0:59:59 --> 1:00:03
I've carried it forward to, I've done it in my podcasts,

1137
1:00:03 --> 1:00:07
I've done a lot of discussion about how this is the beginning

1138
1:00:07 --> 1:00:09
of the disinformation that we've seen.

1139
1:00:09 --> 1:00:14
And I wrote a book on the whole issue of communism

1140
1:00:15 --> 1:00:18
and Marxism in which the sexual revolution

1141
1:00:18 --> 1:00:22
was centered to it, also tied to the Frankfurt School.

1142
1:00:22 --> 1:00:24
So I mean, everything Juliet's talking about,

1143
1:00:24 --> 1:00:26
I've been following and reporting on,

1144
1:00:26 --> 1:00:28
and I've had interviews with her as well.

1145
1:00:28 --> 1:00:30
I'm happy to do more.

1146
1:00:30 --> 1:00:33
But Jerome, have you done any...

1147
1:00:33 --> 1:00:37
Have you published anything about the documents released

1148
1:00:37 --> 1:00:38
just before Christmas last year?

1149
1:00:38 --> 1:00:41
Because by the time Juliet knew about the...

1150
1:00:41 --> 1:00:43
Oh, I don't know why that's...

1151
1:00:43 --> 1:00:46
Well, I was just gonna just bring up the document again

1152
1:00:46 --> 1:00:48
to show.

1153
1:00:48 --> 1:00:50
Yeah, by the time you realized that that document existed

1154
1:00:50 --> 1:00:53
or had been published, Juliet, when was that?

1155
1:00:54 --> 1:00:57
I didn't know about it until the beginning of February.

1156
1:00:57 --> 1:01:00
Actually, I heard about it from Ray McGovern.

1157
1:01:01 --> 1:01:03
Oh, right, I was going to ask you, who told you?

1158
1:01:03 --> 1:01:04
Ray McGovern did.

1159
1:01:04 --> 1:01:06
Ray McGovern did.

1160
1:01:06 --> 1:01:06
And he said he might be interested.

1161
1:01:06 --> 1:01:08
Is he the presidential candidate?

1162
1:01:08 --> 1:01:09
Was he?

1163
1:01:09 --> 1:01:13
No, no, he was a CIA whistleblower from way back.

1164
1:01:14 --> 1:01:15
Right, wow.

1165
1:01:15 --> 1:01:19
And he contacted me and said, you might be interested.

1166
1:01:19 --> 1:01:20
So I started to read it.

1167
1:01:20 --> 1:01:23
And of course, it's 1200 pages.

1168
1:01:23 --> 1:01:25
It takes a lot of going through.

1169
1:01:25 --> 1:01:27
So does Trump know about this?

1170
1:01:27 --> 1:01:31
And if he does, why hasn't he said anything about it?

1171
1:01:31 --> 1:01:34
And why hasn't he invited you to the White House?

1172
1:01:34 --> 1:01:35
I don't know.

1173
1:01:35 --> 1:01:37
I've just really gotten through it myself.

1174
1:01:37 --> 1:01:39
Would you go to the White House?

1175
1:01:39 --> 1:01:40
Sure, of course.

1176
1:01:40 --> 1:01:42
I'll talk to anybody about this.

1177
1:01:42 --> 1:01:45
I do think a lot of this has been discussed

1178
1:01:45 --> 1:01:46
at pretty great lengths.

1179
1:01:46 --> 1:01:48
I've talked about it as well.

1180
1:01:48 --> 1:01:53
I mean, the whole mind control, the CIA use of drugs,

1181
1:01:54 --> 1:01:57
all the drug sex and rock and roll, I mean, all that.

1182
1:01:57 --> 1:02:00
I covered it also extensively.

1183
1:02:00 --> 1:02:01
Here they admit it.

1184
1:02:01 --> 1:02:03
So basically, they confessed everything

1185
1:02:03 --> 1:02:06
that you have been talking about.

1186
1:02:06 --> 1:02:07
That's the difference.

1187
1:02:07 --> 1:02:10
The document I covered very extensively in that book.

1188
1:02:11 --> 1:02:16
But the document, it is incriminating in that, yes,

1189
1:02:16 --> 1:02:20
it is a complete confession of what they were doing.

1190
1:02:22 --> 1:02:25
But it has impact in that regard.

1191
1:02:25 --> 1:02:27
But I mean, I think it's well established

1192
1:02:27 --> 1:02:31
that all the mind control, the drug experiments, et cetera,

1193
1:02:31 --> 1:02:34
in fact, this whole idea that the cultures of Germany

1194
1:02:34 --> 1:02:37
and other cultures are still being very much mind controlled

1195
1:02:38 --> 1:02:40
but turning off the energy.

1196
1:02:40 --> 1:02:45
Jerome, you need to write about what Cathy was saying.

1197
1:02:46 --> 1:02:49
So she has worked out the importance of this.

1198
1:02:49 --> 1:02:51
And I agree with her.

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1:02:51 --> 1:02:54
So it's absolutely central to what happened in 2020

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1:02:54 --> 1:02:56
and all the nonsense about the Ukraine war

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1:02:56 --> 1:02:59
and all the climate change nonsense as well.

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1:02:59 --> 1:03:02
It's to confuse people as much as possible

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1:03:02 --> 1:03:05
to rape their souls and minds.

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1:03:05 --> 1:03:07
If Cathy would write that, that's a book.

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1:03:07 --> 1:03:09
Cathy should do that and get it to me.

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1:03:09 --> 1:03:12
Or Darya can collaborate.

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1:03:12 --> 1:03:15
I mean, this is elaborating that story

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1:03:15 --> 1:03:19
the way it was done today and here,

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1:03:19 --> 1:03:22
putting it all together would be a very valuable book.

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1:03:22 --> 1:03:24
And these are the people to do it.

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1:03:24 --> 1:03:25
They love it.

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1:03:26 --> 1:03:28
It would be a wonderful book.

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1:03:28 --> 1:03:31
I'd be very interested in that book being put together.

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1:03:31 --> 1:03:34
I think that would be a very important book to publish.

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1:03:35 --> 1:03:37
Cathy, are you familiar with...

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1:03:37 --> 1:03:39
Do it.

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1:03:39 --> 1:03:39
Yes.

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1:03:39 --> 1:03:40
Cathy?

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1:03:40 --> 1:03:41
Yes.

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1:03:41 --> 1:03:43
Cathy, are you interested in doing that or what?

1221
1:03:43 --> 1:03:44
Cathy, hang on.

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1:03:44 --> 1:03:45
Well, absolutely.

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1:03:45 --> 1:03:47
I'm wondering, are you familiar

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1:03:47 --> 1:03:49
with Transformation of America?

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1:03:51 --> 1:03:54
I've heard of it, but I can't say I could speak about it.

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1:03:54 --> 1:03:55
Is that a book?

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1:03:56 --> 1:04:00
Yeah, it's my 1995 testimony for Congress.

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1:04:00 --> 1:04:02
National security was invoked on it.

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1:04:02 --> 1:04:07
And it detailed much of what we've seen in society today

1230
1:04:08 --> 1:04:12
and how our constitutional values have been eroded.

1231
1:04:12 --> 1:04:14
It detailed who was gonna be placed

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1:04:14 --> 1:04:18
in the office of president right up until Hillary Clinton

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1:04:18 --> 1:04:20
was supposed to usher in the new world order.

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1:04:20 --> 1:04:23
And of course, that didn't happen.

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1:04:23 --> 1:04:25
Too many of us were awake and aware 2016

1236
1:04:25 --> 1:04:28
and we overrode the rigged electronic algorithm.

1237
1:04:28 --> 1:04:33
But in those voting machines and elected a president

1238
1:04:34 --> 1:04:37
that was not Hillary Clinton in her new world order

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1:04:37 --> 1:04:40
and is a president that represented we the people

1240
1:04:40 --> 1:04:44
and showed us what a swamp Washington DC is.

1241
1:04:44 --> 1:04:47
And it's really validated Transformation of America

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1:04:47 --> 1:04:49
that much more again.

1243
1:04:49 --> 1:04:50
Time has validated it.

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1:04:52 --> 1:04:53
Yes.

1245
1:04:53 --> 1:04:55
Cathy and Julius, because my time is running out.

1246
1:04:55 --> 1:05:00
So on the 2nd of June, 1948, seven doctors,

1247
1:05:02 --> 1:05:06
medical doctors were hanged in Nuremberg in Germany

1248
1:05:06 --> 1:05:09
for human medical experimentation.

1249
1:05:09 --> 1:05:13
And the prosecutors were Americans.

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1:05:13 --> 1:05:16
They were Americans in the doctors trial.

1251
1:05:16 --> 1:05:18
It was human medical experimentation

1252
1:05:18 --> 1:05:21
and psychological torture and all the rest of it.

1253
1:05:22 --> 1:05:25
And this was very relevant to what happened in 2020.

1254
1:05:26 --> 1:05:28
But then we hear that Operation Paperclip

1255
1:05:28 --> 1:05:32
transported these people from Germany to the United States

1256
1:05:32 --> 1:05:35
to continue the very same nonsense that was going on,

1257
1:05:35 --> 1:05:38
evil that was going on.

1258
1:05:38 --> 1:05:41
And so why were the Americans prosecuting on the one hand

1259
1:05:42 --> 1:05:47
and involved in transporting these people secretly

1260
1:05:48 --> 1:05:49
to the United States?

1261
1:05:49 --> 1:05:51
And my killer question is this,

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1:05:51 --> 1:05:55
have you become aware of any of the seven people

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1:05:55 --> 1:05:59
who were allegedly hanged in Germany

1264
1:05:59 --> 1:06:01
for human medical experimentation

1265
1:06:01 --> 1:06:04
being found alive in the United States of America

1266
1:06:04 --> 1:06:06
since the 2nd of June, 1948?

1267
1:06:07 --> 1:06:11
Well, I can tell you that amongst the prosecutors,

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1:06:11 --> 1:06:13
the American prosecutors at Nuremberg

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1:06:13 --> 1:06:15
were five of my uncles.

1270
1:06:15 --> 1:06:17
Wow.

1271
1:06:17 --> 1:06:19
Yeah, and they were all been involved

1272
1:06:19 --> 1:06:23
in transporting the Nazi, not just physicians.

1273
1:06:23 --> 1:06:26
They were there to pick, they were all German speakers.

1274
1:06:26 --> 1:06:28
My great-grandmother was German

1275
1:06:28 --> 1:06:33
and they were all there to recruit for the CIA

1276
1:06:34 --> 1:06:37
and there were British recruiting there

1277
1:06:37 --> 1:06:38
and there were Russians recruiting there.

1278
1:06:38 --> 1:06:41
So the Nazi scientists were divided up.

1279
1:06:41 --> 1:06:45
I later met some of them in Russia years later.

1280
1:06:46 --> 1:06:47
So I know from my family

1281
1:06:47 --> 1:06:52
and my uncles received lavish gifts from these people

1282
1:06:52 --> 1:06:54
who were then resettled in the United States,

1283
1:06:54 --> 1:06:57
given new names, new identities, new jobs.

1284
1:06:57 --> 1:07:02
And I met a British journalist named Christopher Story,

1285
1:07:02 --> 1:07:03
maybe some of you know of him.

1286
1:07:03 --> 1:07:05
Yes, I know the name.

1287
1:07:05 --> 1:07:08
Yes, I was a source of his when I was living in Russia.

1288
1:07:08 --> 1:07:12
But and then he said he was killed

1289
1:07:12 --> 1:07:14
or he was being murdered in 1970

1290
1:07:14 --> 1:07:18
or he was at the age of 74, which is I think 2010.

1291
1:07:18 --> 1:07:23
But he told me that the records for all of the actual

1292
1:07:25 --> 1:07:28
identities and the new identities for all of these scientists

1293
1:07:28 --> 1:07:30
that were supposed to have been hung

1294
1:07:30 --> 1:07:33
but were taken to the US were stored in the Murtaugh building

1295
1:07:33 --> 1:07:35
in Oklahoma City.

1296
1:07:36 --> 1:07:39
And that's where the explosion, the terrorist explosion was

1297
1:07:39 --> 1:07:42
and that's where the records were destroyed.

1298
1:07:42 --> 1:07:45
And up until that time, there'd been across the street

1299
1:07:45 --> 1:07:49
from that building, there'd been a Nazi museum.

1300
1:07:49 --> 1:07:51
So a lot of the artifacts that were brought

1301
1:07:51 --> 1:07:54
with these scientists and engineers,

1302
1:07:54 --> 1:07:55
they brought all kinds of people.

1303
1:07:55 --> 1:07:59
So, Juli, we had a guest recently who was an expert

1304
1:07:59 --> 1:08:00
on the Oklahoma City bombing.

1305
1:08:00 --> 1:08:02
That was not what he talked to us about,

1306
1:08:02 --> 1:08:04
but he was an expert on that.

1307
1:08:04 --> 1:08:07
So, and I was very interested in the Oklahoma City bombing

1308
1:08:07 --> 1:08:10
at the time because I knew that something was wrong

1309
1:08:10 --> 1:08:11
with that story.

1310
1:08:11 --> 1:08:15
And all the talk about Timothy McVeigh,

1311
1:08:15 --> 1:08:19
his execution being really weird, you know,

1312
1:08:19 --> 1:08:21
and I thought, what was that about?

1313
1:08:21 --> 1:08:24
He was happy when he was dying allegedly, if he did die.

1314
1:08:24 --> 1:08:26
If he did die, which he probably didn't.

1315
1:08:26 --> 1:08:31
And the, well, if you're familiar with Christopher's story,

1316
1:08:31 --> 1:08:35
he wrote a global report every month

1317
1:08:35 --> 1:08:37
that was absolutely packed with information

1318
1:08:37 --> 1:08:40
and those reports are archived.

1319
1:08:40 --> 1:08:43
So you can find the information about the records kept

1320
1:08:43 --> 1:08:44
at the Murtaugh building.

1321
1:08:44 --> 1:08:47
And I totally believe that because he had traced,

1322
1:08:47 --> 1:08:49
he had done a lot of work tracing out

1323
1:08:50 --> 1:08:52
where these people disappeared to

1324
1:08:52 --> 1:08:55
and what their new names were.

1325
1:08:55 --> 1:08:58
And he was following several of them

1326
1:08:58 --> 1:09:01
and they were gaining strength and positions

1327
1:09:01 --> 1:09:03
inside the United States.

1328
1:09:03 --> 1:09:04
And now they're like third generation.

1329
1:09:04 --> 1:09:08
So you're getting descendants of these people.

1330
1:09:08 --> 1:09:12
So Julia, do you think that the seven doctors

1331
1:09:12 --> 1:09:15
who were hanged on the 2nd of June, 1948

1332
1:09:15 --> 1:09:17
were actually hanged or were they?

1333
1:09:17 --> 1:09:18
I don't, no.

1334
1:09:18 --> 1:09:20
I think they were resettled.

1335
1:09:20 --> 1:09:22
They could have been resettled in Britain,

1336
1:09:22 --> 1:09:24
the United States or Russia.

1337
1:09:25 --> 1:09:26
Right.

1338
1:09:26 --> 1:09:26
Probably the United States.

1339
1:09:26 --> 1:09:28
So there was somebody hanged,

1340
1:09:28 --> 1:09:30
hanged stay because there's an iconic photo of somebody,

1341
1:09:30 --> 1:09:32
but not necessarily those doctors.

1342
1:09:32 --> 1:09:34
They hang somebody, but you know,

1343
1:09:35 --> 1:09:38
so these people were too valuable.

1344
1:09:38 --> 1:09:41
Because we've only got Cathy for the next 15 minutes, Stephen,

1345
1:09:41 --> 1:09:44
your 15 minutes is up and it's wonderful what you,

1346
1:09:44 --> 1:09:46
and by the way, Stephen, to remind you,

1347
1:09:46 --> 1:09:50
that expert was John Rappapour, of course, on the Oklahoma.

1348
1:09:50 --> 1:09:51
John Rappapour, yeah.

1349
1:09:51 --> 1:09:52
Yes.

1350
1:09:52 --> 1:09:55
Okay, so John Rappapour's work is also,

1351
1:09:55 --> 1:09:57
I'm sure Cathy and Julia, you've heard.

1352
1:09:57 --> 1:09:59
So Stephen, well uncovered.

1353
1:09:59 --> 1:10:00
Jerome's heard all of this.

1354
1:10:00 --> 1:10:02
We've got Cathy for 17 minutes.

1355
1:10:02 --> 1:10:03
So let's go through some questions

1356
1:10:03 --> 1:10:05
and you'll get some more questions at the end, okay?

1357
1:10:05 --> 1:10:07
Just to say to Jerome,

1358
1:10:07 --> 1:10:09
Jerome, this is the biggest story of all, surely.

1359
1:10:09 --> 1:10:12
I can't imagine a more important story than this.

1360
1:10:13 --> 1:10:16
Well, I think a lot of pieces of it have been told,

1361
1:10:16 --> 1:10:18
but if someone could put it together,

1362
1:10:18 --> 1:10:20
that's what I'm suggesting that they,

1363
1:10:20 --> 1:10:23
if Cathy and Julia and the others

1364
1:10:23 --> 1:10:24
want to get a book together,

1365
1:10:24 --> 1:10:26
there's a book to do that they could easily,

1366
1:10:26 --> 1:10:28
they have access to all the information.

1367
1:10:28 --> 1:10:29
They could put it together.

1368
1:10:29 --> 1:10:32
I'd be very interested in that.

1369
1:10:32 --> 1:10:33
All right.

1370
1:10:33 --> 1:10:34
We can, got mine.

1371
1:10:34 --> 1:10:35
All right.

1372
1:10:35 --> 1:10:36
Thank you, Stephen.

1373
1:10:36 --> 1:10:37
Thank you, Jerome.

1374
1:10:37 --> 1:10:38
All right, let's go.

1375
1:10:38 --> 1:10:40
Quick questions.

1376
1:10:40 --> 1:10:41
So not too many statements.

1377
1:10:41 --> 1:10:42
Go, Glenn.

1378
1:10:43 --> 1:10:45
I'll focus directly on Cathy.

1379
1:10:46 --> 1:10:48
You wrote, I mean, you spoke here

1380
1:10:48 --> 1:10:52
about the brain hack mechanism of writing it out

1381
1:10:52 --> 1:10:55
and beyond that, adding a solution.

1382
1:10:56 --> 1:10:58
So as a quick, please, just yes or no,

1383
1:10:58 --> 1:11:01
are you familiar with the partition clause

1384
1:11:01 --> 1:11:03
in the Bill of Rights?

1385
1:11:04 --> 1:11:05
What?

1386
1:11:05 --> 1:11:07
No, I'm not sure what you're talking about.

1387
1:11:07 --> 1:11:09
If you, okay, then you're not familiar with it.

1388
1:11:09 --> 1:11:10
I'll explain what it is.

1389
1:11:11 --> 1:11:13
In the First Amendment,

1390
1:11:13 --> 1:11:15
everybody knows about free speech, free press,

1391
1:11:15 --> 1:11:20
free religion, freedom to assemble.

1392
1:11:20 --> 1:11:22
Almost no one knows about the other clause

1393
1:11:22 --> 1:11:24
known as the partition clause.

1394
1:11:24 --> 1:11:27
The partition clause allows people

1395
1:11:27 --> 1:11:29
to partition their government

1396
1:11:29 --> 1:11:34
around a grievance and to ask for redress.

1397
1:11:36 --> 1:11:40
Redress is that solution mechanism.

1398
1:11:40 --> 1:11:43
This is a constitutional right to every American.

1399
1:11:45 --> 1:11:46
You can't find one in a hundred people

1400
1:11:46 --> 1:11:49
that even know that right exists.

1401
1:11:49 --> 1:11:53
Your description of writing it out,

1402
1:11:53 --> 1:11:58
both as a mechanism to identify that grievance

1403
1:11:58 --> 1:12:03
and thinking through a solution is a wonderful element.

1404
1:12:03 --> 1:12:06
And the problem we have in the country now is

1405
1:12:06 --> 1:12:10
so few people want to get in the game to get involved.

1406
1:12:10 --> 1:12:11
This is an item.

1407
1:12:11 --> 1:12:15
If that kind of delivery you could present to people

1408
1:12:15 --> 1:12:17
and encourage them to come out,

1409
1:12:17 --> 1:12:18
that they have to come out,

1410
1:12:18 --> 1:12:21
everybody that's awake about all of the problems

1411
1:12:21 --> 1:12:23
and the poisoning and the mind control,

1412
1:12:23 --> 1:12:25
they have to go out and be ready to get involved

1413
1:12:25 --> 1:12:28
with their local government and their state government

1414
1:12:28 --> 1:12:29
and their federal government.

1415
1:12:29 --> 1:12:34
And your mechanism of brain hack and write it out

1416
1:12:35 --> 1:12:40
and with a solution, I think could be a tremendous approach.

1417
1:12:40 --> 1:12:41
Would you agree?

1418
1:12:41 --> 1:12:43
And do you think that that's a way

1419
1:12:43 --> 1:12:47
of dramatically expanding public involvement?

1420
1:12:47 --> 1:12:48
Yes, absolutely.

1421
1:12:48 --> 1:12:53
And I really appreciate that because it spans

1422
1:12:54 --> 1:12:57
all aspects of society that we need to be able

1423
1:12:57 --> 1:13:00
to start cleaning up and taking back

1424
1:13:00 --> 1:13:01
the way that it's intended to be

1425
1:13:01 --> 1:13:04
because we've had so much of our societies eroded.

1426
1:13:04 --> 1:13:07
I'm always encouraging people

1427
1:13:07 --> 1:13:09
when I'm speaking out publicly or otherwise

1428
1:13:09 --> 1:13:14
to get out in society and talk to each other eye to eye,

1429
1:13:14 --> 1:13:16
heart to heart, soul to soul,

1430
1:13:16 --> 1:13:19
make a difference in the school system,

1431
1:13:19 --> 1:13:21
put writing by hand back in,

1432
1:13:21 --> 1:13:26
get out and get involved in our voting,

1433
1:13:29 --> 1:13:30
clean that up.

1434
1:13:31 --> 1:13:33
But it all begins with local action.

1435
1:13:33 --> 1:13:35
Local action has national impact,

1436
1:13:35 --> 1:13:38
national impact has global impact.

1437
1:13:38 --> 1:13:41
It's up to each and every one of us to do our part

1438
1:13:41 --> 1:13:42
and picking up that pen and a paper

1439
1:13:42 --> 1:13:44
is a great way to start it.

1440
1:13:45 --> 1:13:46
Thank you, Glenn.

1441
1:13:46 --> 1:13:48
Good observation.

1442
1:13:48 --> 1:13:50
And please note, Michelle Perot,

1443
1:13:50 --> 1:13:54
who's a top MD on kids and recovery from PTSD,

1444
1:13:54 --> 1:13:56
have a look in the chat.

1445
1:13:56 --> 1:14:00
I interviewed Michelle on informme.org,

1446
1:14:00 --> 1:14:04
important course on vaccination, Cathy and Juliet.

1447
1:14:04 --> 1:14:07
Inform-me.org, I'll put it in there.

1448
1:14:07 --> 1:14:08
But amazing information coming out.

1449
1:14:08 --> 1:14:10
So, all right, thank you, Glenn.

1450
1:14:10 --> 1:14:11
Jeremy.

1451
1:14:13 --> 1:14:14
Yeah, thank you, Charles.

1452
1:14:15 --> 1:14:17
I'd just like to say that

1453
1:14:18 --> 1:14:22
to Juliet and Cathy,

1454
1:14:22 --> 1:14:24
thank you for your incredible courage

1455
1:14:24 --> 1:14:27
in coming through all this

1456
1:14:27 --> 1:14:29
and arriving at where you are right now.

1457
1:14:29 --> 1:14:33
My connection here is rather tenuous to MKSULTRA.

1458
1:14:35 --> 1:14:37
I'm at a birthday party right now

1459
1:14:37 --> 1:14:42
for the son-in-law of a lady

1460
1:14:42 --> 1:14:45
who went through that whole process in Montreal.

1461
1:14:45 --> 1:14:47
I was born and raised in Montreal.

1462
1:14:47 --> 1:14:52
She was treated with shock therapy, LSD

1463
1:14:53 --> 1:14:55
and every other thing that they used

1464
1:14:55 --> 1:14:57
at the Allen Memorial Institute,

1465
1:14:57 --> 1:15:02
which was a wing of the Montreal Neurological Institute,

1466
1:15:06 --> 1:15:07
McGill, of course.

1467
1:15:07 --> 1:15:12
And so I've known the family, the whole family,

1468
1:15:12 --> 1:15:14
including the grandmother,

1469
1:15:14 --> 1:15:19
who's now unbelievably about to have her 100th birthday.

1470
1:15:20 --> 1:15:23
She, of course, never wanted to talk

1471
1:15:23 --> 1:15:24
about what she went through.

1472
1:15:24 --> 1:15:28
So I only had brief comments

1473
1:15:30 --> 1:15:33
from her about this program.

1474
1:15:33 --> 1:15:38
The term MKULTRA was something I didn't actually hear

1475
1:15:38 --> 1:15:40
until I got involved with this group.

1476
1:15:40 --> 1:15:41
But once I heard about it,

1477
1:15:41 --> 1:15:45
I realized that this is what she was involved with.

1478
1:15:45 --> 1:15:47
And she survived it.

1479
1:15:47 --> 1:15:52
She had four children that I grew up with.

1480
1:15:52 --> 1:15:57
And unfortunately, the gal that I went to high school with,

1481
1:15:58 --> 1:16:00
she died very recently.

1482
1:16:00 --> 1:16:04
The mother is probably gonna outlive all the children.

1483
1:16:04 --> 1:16:06
She was weird right from the beginning.

1484
1:16:06 --> 1:16:08
It's the only way I can describe it.

1485
1:16:08 --> 1:16:10
She, of course, never wanted to talk

1486
1:16:10 --> 1:16:13
about what the experiences were.

1487
1:16:13 --> 1:16:17
So I just thought I would relate that story to you.

1488
1:16:17 --> 1:16:20
I'm thinking that she was probably in her 20s

1489
1:16:21 --> 1:16:26
at the time that she became involved in the MKULTRA program.

1490
1:16:26 --> 1:16:31
Her name is, still is, Ilana Fleming.

1491
1:16:31 --> 1:16:35
And ironically, she became a supervisor

1492
1:16:35 --> 1:16:40
for a number of decades at a school for troubled boys,

1493
1:16:40 --> 1:16:43
or at least an institution for troubled boys

1494
1:16:43 --> 1:16:45
in Montreal called Waredale.

1495
1:16:47 --> 1:16:51
And I don't know how she handled all that,

1496
1:16:51 --> 1:16:56
but she definitely wasn't on a normal wavelength,

1497
1:16:57 --> 1:16:59
what I would call a normal wavelength with other people.

1498
1:16:59 --> 1:17:01
I don't know how she survived it.

1499
1:17:01 --> 1:17:05
I don't know whether she encountered sexual abuse,

1500
1:17:05 --> 1:17:08
but she certainly was mentally abused.

1501
1:17:08 --> 1:17:11
It cost her her marriage.

1502
1:17:12 --> 1:17:17
But anyway, I just thought I would relate that to you.

1503
1:17:17 --> 1:17:20
And then thank you again for your courage

1504
1:17:21 --> 1:17:26
in going through what for you must be a very tough situation

1505
1:17:28 --> 1:17:29
to relate to other people.

1506
1:17:29 --> 1:17:33
Obviously, you've managed to overcome the worst of it.

1507
1:17:33 --> 1:17:37
And so that's a very heroic thing that you've done.

1508
1:17:37 --> 1:17:38
Thank you.

1509
1:17:40 --> 1:17:41
Thank you.

1510
1:17:41 --> 1:17:42
Thank you for bringing that up too,

1511
1:17:42 --> 1:17:45
because Dr. Yuan Cameron was actively involved

1512
1:17:45 --> 1:17:50
in those experiments and the horrible, horrible things

1513
1:17:51 --> 1:17:53
they did in Montreal.

1514
1:17:53 --> 1:17:55
And I'm very much aware of that.

1515
1:17:55 --> 1:17:57
Michigan was so close to it and being right there

1516
1:17:57 --> 1:18:01
at the US Canadian border at Mackinac,

1517
1:18:03 --> 1:18:06
gave me a lot of insight into that.

1518
1:18:06 --> 1:18:08
So many people are affected.

1519
1:18:08 --> 1:18:11
This is far more pervasive than people understand.

1520
1:18:12 --> 1:18:15
And it's been going on a long, long time.

1521
1:18:15 --> 1:18:17
It's gotta stop.

1522
1:18:17 --> 1:18:19
It's affecting the global population.

1523
1:18:19 --> 1:18:23
Now it's affecting everybody on some level or another,

1524
1:18:23 --> 1:18:25
because knowledge is our defense against it.

1525
1:18:25 --> 1:18:28
Our information has been controlled a long time.

1526
1:18:28 --> 1:18:33
And it's time that we all knew the truth that makes us free

1527
1:18:33 --> 1:18:37
and stop this from happening to anybody else.

1528
1:18:37 --> 1:18:40
Well, I think it will be very helpful for you

1529
1:18:40 --> 1:18:42
to be in contact with your own core seat,

1530
1:18:42 --> 1:18:46
to take this further, to take your story further.

1531
1:18:46 --> 1:18:49
It needs to be told and it needs to be told

1532
1:18:49 --> 1:18:51
in the broadest way possible

1533
1:18:51 --> 1:18:53
through as many avenues as possible.

1534
1:18:53 --> 1:18:54
So thank you again.

1535
1:18:56 --> 1:18:58
Thank you, Jeremy.

1536
1:18:58 --> 1:19:00
Chris, sorry, Sebastian.

1537
1:19:02 --> 1:19:04
Good evening, Kathy and Juliet.

1538
1:19:04 --> 1:19:09
And thank you also for your tremendous courage

1539
1:19:09 --> 1:19:12
in telling us your story, which has been quite shocking.

1540
1:19:12 --> 1:19:15
I am aware of the topic with MKUltra

1541
1:19:15 --> 1:19:18
because I did get to read this book here,

1542
1:19:18 --> 1:19:20
which is from Annie Jacobson.

1543
1:19:20 --> 1:19:23
I don't know if you've ever been contacted by her

1544
1:19:23 --> 1:19:25
and what she wrote in this book

1545
1:19:25 --> 1:19:30
about Operation Paperclip or Project Paperclip.

1546
1:19:31 --> 1:19:34
But I would like to ask Juliet,

1547
1:19:35 --> 1:19:39
you do not have a recollection of your childhood.

1548
1:19:39 --> 1:19:43
And I would like to know, is this because of programming

1549
1:19:43 --> 1:19:45
or is this deliberate?

1550
1:19:45 --> 1:19:48
Do you not want to remember this?

1551
1:19:48 --> 1:19:49
And if so,

1552
1:19:50 --> 1:19:54
would you, if you had the opportunity,

1553
1:19:54 --> 1:19:56
would you actually want to return to those memories

1554
1:19:56 --> 1:19:59
or just get, are you over it?

1555
1:20:00 --> 1:20:02
I don't think you ever get over it.

1556
1:20:02 --> 1:20:06
However, I did get back in my memories

1557
1:20:06 --> 1:20:09
and that's what I've written in my book, Sparky,

1558
1:20:09 --> 1:20:11
that Jerome was holding up there.

1559
1:20:11 --> 1:20:13
And I put the information in the chat room

1560
1:20:13 --> 1:20:16
so that you could get a copy of the book.

1561
1:20:16 --> 1:20:19
I took myself back and wrote it as a child.

1562
1:20:19 --> 1:20:24
So it took me two years of basically reliving

1563
1:20:24 --> 1:20:25
all of that horror.

1564
1:20:25 --> 1:20:28
I've never been able to get back earlier

1565
1:20:28 --> 1:20:32
than actually that Dr. White,

1566
1:20:32 --> 1:20:34
whose picture I showed you, Hunter White,

1567
1:20:35 --> 1:20:38
raping my mother when I was four years old

1568
1:20:38 --> 1:20:39
and I was forced to watch.

1569
1:20:39 --> 1:20:41
And he said, if I ever said anything about it,

1570
1:20:41 --> 1:20:44
he would kill my baby brother who was standing there

1571
1:20:45 --> 1:20:49
pulled himself up in his crib and terrified me so badly

1572
1:20:49 --> 1:20:53
that I immediately then started erasing memories.

1573
1:20:53 --> 1:20:56
I got that memory back, but nothing before that.

1574
1:20:56 --> 1:20:58
And I really can't remember my mother at all.

1575
1:20:58 --> 1:21:02
So I think that she was probably very much

1576
1:21:02 --> 1:21:05
as much part of the mind control system as her brother.

1577
1:21:05 --> 1:21:09
It's her brother that was one of the founding members

1578
1:21:09 --> 1:21:13
of the NSA, starting with OSS and Arlington Hall.

1579
1:21:14 --> 1:21:18
And no, I got the memories back.

1580
1:21:18 --> 1:21:20
And the only way I can talk about them

1581
1:21:20 --> 1:21:22
is that I wrote about them.

1582
1:21:22 --> 1:21:25
So as Kathy said, writing it all out

1583
1:21:25 --> 1:21:27
and working through each one

1584
1:21:27 --> 1:21:30
by looking at my own written words.

1585
1:21:30 --> 1:21:35
If I were to suddenly get a new access into memories,

1586
1:21:35 --> 1:21:37
like when I first started remembering

1587
1:21:37 --> 1:21:41
being on the beach in Mexico with Alan Cranston

1588
1:21:41 --> 1:21:45
and living like Lord of the Flies,

1589
1:21:45 --> 1:21:47
I was disabled really for several days,

1590
1:21:47 --> 1:21:51
just going through that and couldn't talk about it.

1591
1:21:51 --> 1:21:56
So it's a slow process and painful process remembering

1592
1:21:57 --> 1:21:59
and the only reason to do it.

1593
1:21:59 --> 1:22:00
And there's a lot of people that won't do it.

1594
1:22:00 --> 1:22:02
There's a lot of people, very successful people

1595
1:22:02 --> 1:22:05
who you would recognize their names who won't do it

1596
1:22:05 --> 1:22:07
because they have no reason to.

1597
1:22:07 --> 1:22:10
They're not compelled to do it.

1598
1:22:10 --> 1:22:12
I was compelled to do it.

1599
1:22:12 --> 1:22:17
And yeah, it's frustrating that it takes so long,

1600
1:22:19 --> 1:22:23
but it does take, it takes me a long time.

1601
1:22:23 --> 1:22:27
I was out of the program in 1966,

1602
1:22:27 --> 1:22:29
although I realized looking back over my life,

1603
1:22:29 --> 1:22:31
I've been interacting with people in the program

1604
1:22:31 --> 1:22:34
for years after that,

1605
1:22:34 --> 1:22:39
and probably wasn't ever entirely out of the program.

1606
1:22:41 --> 1:22:43
So how can I know?

1607
1:22:43 --> 1:22:44
Thank you, Juliette.

1608
1:22:44 --> 1:22:46
Because we're tight with Cathy.

1609
1:22:46 --> 1:22:47
Oh yes, I'm sorry.

1610
1:22:47 --> 1:22:51
If anyone who's with their hand up wants to ask

1611
1:22:51 --> 1:22:54
Cathy specifically something for the next few minutes,

1612
1:22:54 --> 1:22:57
if Juliette can answer the question,

1613
1:22:57 --> 1:22:58
then pass to somebody else.

1614
1:22:58 --> 1:23:01
So Ron, are you for Cathy or Juliette or can you?

1615
1:23:02 --> 1:23:04
I have a question for both.

1616
1:23:05 --> 1:23:07
Should I go ahead and ask?

1617
1:23:07 --> 1:23:08
Go for it.

1618
1:23:08 --> 1:23:09
Okay.

1619
1:23:09 --> 1:23:11
Ask Cathy and then we'll go through

1620
1:23:11 --> 1:23:14
so that we've got to, as for the time, go.

1621
1:23:14 --> 1:23:15
Understood.

1622
1:23:15 --> 1:23:18
Cathy O'Brien, I'm a California Department of Public Health

1623
1:23:18 --> 1:23:19
retiree whistleblower.

1624
1:23:19 --> 1:23:22
I'm going to all the counties telling them

1625
1:23:22 --> 1:23:24
about the danger of the COVID-19 vaccine.

1626
1:23:26 --> 1:23:28
And by the way, it's really an honor to talk to you.

1627
1:23:28 --> 1:23:29
I've read both of your books,

1628
1:23:29 --> 1:23:33
or actually heard both of your books on the audio book.

1629
1:23:33 --> 1:23:37
In sharing with a board of supervisors,

1630
1:23:37 --> 1:23:41
what can you suggest to help break this

1631
1:23:41 --> 1:23:44
vaccines are safe and effective mantra?

1632
1:23:45 --> 1:23:50
Voice inflection, eye contact, any nonverbal cues,

1633
1:23:50 --> 1:23:54
what kind of suggestions can you suggest?

1634
1:23:55 --> 1:23:56
Thank you.

1635
1:23:57 --> 1:24:00
I think everybody needs to understand

1636
1:24:00 --> 1:24:02
that they've been manipulated a long time.

1637
1:24:02 --> 1:24:06
The repetitive media narrative really has a strong impact.

1638
1:24:06 --> 1:24:09
When we understand components of mind control,

1639
1:24:09 --> 1:24:11
we have defense against it.

1640
1:24:11 --> 1:24:15
The media, it promotes the vaccines,

1641
1:24:15 --> 1:24:18
advertisements promote them.

1642
1:24:18 --> 1:24:23
We see them in the various drug stores promoting it.

1643
1:24:23 --> 1:24:27
Big Pharma has had too strong of a reach for a long time.

1644
1:24:27 --> 1:24:29
People need to think free of that.

1645
1:24:29 --> 1:24:31
They've got a long way to go to break free of it.

1646
1:24:31 --> 1:24:33
They could pick up that pen and paper

1647
1:24:33 --> 1:24:37
and make a list of the pros and cons

1648
1:24:37 --> 1:24:39
and research it for themselves.

1649
1:24:39 --> 1:24:42
Instead of relying on what someone else is telling them

1650
1:24:42 --> 1:24:44
to think, they need to start researching

1651
1:24:44 --> 1:24:46
and looking into themselves.

1652
1:24:46 --> 1:24:50
And they'll find very quickly how adverse they are.

1653
1:24:50 --> 1:24:53
That it's a matter of breaking people's programming

1654
1:24:53 --> 1:24:57
because they've been programmed for so long now

1655
1:24:57 --> 1:25:00
to accept them and go for them.

1656
1:25:00 --> 1:25:03
So we just keep bringing that truth out there

1657
1:25:03 --> 1:25:08
and eventually more and more people are gonna wake up.

1658
1:25:08 --> 1:25:12
But yeah, we need them to wake up now

1659
1:25:12 --> 1:25:13
for the children's sake.

1660
1:25:14 --> 1:25:16
Well, I'd want to hold your question

1661
1:25:16 --> 1:25:17
for Julie a bit later.

1662
1:25:17 --> 1:25:19
Dave, have you got a question for Cathy?

1663
1:25:21 --> 1:25:22
Keep your hand up, Ron.

1664
1:25:22 --> 1:25:23
Keep your hand up on the screen.

1665
1:25:23 --> 1:25:24
Dave?

1666
1:25:27 --> 1:25:28
You're muted, Dave.

1667
1:25:28 --> 1:25:29
You mute yourself.

1668
1:25:29 --> 1:25:30
You're muted, Dave.

1669
1:25:33 --> 1:25:34
Okay, move on.

1670
1:25:34 --> 1:25:35
Jim?

1671
1:25:35 --> 1:25:37
Hey, thanks very much.

1672
1:25:37 --> 1:25:42
Cathy, using parasites or toxoplasmosis

1673
1:25:42 --> 1:25:45
or exposure to cats as mind control.

1674
1:25:45 --> 1:25:49
It seems so we're having an explosion of toxoplasmosis

1675
1:25:49 --> 1:25:52
in the United States and damage to the CD3, CD4

1676
1:25:52 --> 1:25:54
and CD8 counts of the virus.

1677
1:25:54 --> 1:25:56
So what's the impact of that?

1678
1:25:56 --> 1:25:58
So we're seeing a lot of damage to the CD3, CD4

1679
1:25:58 --> 1:26:01
and CD8 counts of people through the vaccine.

1680
1:26:01 --> 1:26:03
It seems like this is an indirect mechanism

1681
1:26:03 --> 1:26:08
to get people affected by toxoplasmosis mind control

1682
1:26:10 --> 1:26:14
and then stopping the medications

1683
1:26:14 --> 1:26:16
that treat the toxoplasmosis mind control

1684
1:26:16 --> 1:26:19
like the anti-parasitics, hydroxychloroquine,

1685
1:26:19 --> 1:26:23
ivermectin and nitrozoxinide

1686
1:26:23 --> 1:26:27
as well as the anti-toxoplasmosis medications, daraprim.

1687
1:26:27 --> 1:26:30
Did you have any experience with people trying to arm you

1688
1:26:30 --> 1:26:33
with parasites or any kind of infectious agents

1689
1:26:33 --> 1:26:35
during your issues?

1690
1:26:36 --> 1:26:39
No, what I was exposed to is in my testimony

1691
1:26:39 --> 1:26:42
Transformation of America,

1692
1:26:42 --> 1:26:45
and that you can either read about it

1693
1:26:45 --> 1:26:47
or listen to it on Audible,

1694
1:26:47 --> 1:26:51
but that was involving the AIDS vaccine

1695
1:26:51 --> 1:26:54
and how it was gonna be used as a depopulation agenda.

1696
1:26:54 --> 1:26:58
And it's something that was being imposed on Haiti

1697
1:26:58 --> 1:26:59
at the time.

1698
1:26:59 --> 1:27:02
And those particular black ops that I worked,

1699
1:27:02 --> 1:27:05
I was given an immunity against it.

1700
1:27:05 --> 1:27:09
And so I had the immunity against AIDS

1701
1:27:09 --> 1:27:11
so that I was around that all the time.

1702
1:27:11 --> 1:27:13
What is that immunity?

1703
1:27:13 --> 1:27:15
Why doesn't everybody have it?

1704
1:27:15 --> 1:27:18
Those are things that we need to start demanding answers for

1705
1:27:18 --> 1:27:20
because George Bush knew about it

1706
1:27:20 --> 1:27:23
and Hillary Clinton sure knew about it.

1707
1:27:23 --> 1:27:26
And those are aspects that,

1708
1:27:26 --> 1:27:31
you know, there's so much more known on absolute cures

1709
1:27:32 --> 1:27:34
than we are privy to.

1710
1:27:34 --> 1:27:37
And it's time we get big pharma out of our lives

1711
1:27:37 --> 1:27:38
from destroying it.

1712
1:27:38 --> 1:27:42
And we're able to have the ethics of doctors

1713
1:27:42 --> 1:27:44
and the medical profession like yourself

1714
1:27:45 --> 1:27:49
have the voice to be able to start making

1715
1:27:49 --> 1:27:51
the positive necessary change

1716
1:27:51 --> 1:27:55
so that we have access to what they know about.

1717
1:27:56 --> 1:27:57
Thank you, Jim.

1718
1:27:57 --> 1:28:00
I'd like to contact you later on about that.

1719
1:28:01 --> 1:28:02
Yes.

1720
1:28:03 --> 1:28:04
Thanks, Jim.

1721
1:28:04 --> 1:28:05
Elbit.

1722
1:28:05 --> 1:28:06
Yeah, hi, thank you.

1723
1:28:06 --> 1:28:11
I just wanted to ask a question about the actual trafficking

1724
1:28:11 --> 1:28:16
possibly the international trafficking of people.

1725
1:28:17 --> 1:28:21
In 1998, I was on the island of Saipan

1726
1:28:21 --> 1:28:24
in the North Marianas Islands for a year

1727
1:28:24 --> 1:28:26
working in medical.

1728
1:28:30 --> 1:28:34
So they have these karaoke bars

1729
1:28:34 --> 1:28:36
and they specialized,

1730
1:28:36 --> 1:28:39
the ladies there at these karaoke bars,

1731
1:28:39 --> 1:28:41
they specialized in, you know,

1732
1:28:41 --> 1:28:43
these were the Filipina girls.

1733
1:28:43 --> 1:28:46
This other karaoke place was the Russian girls,

1734
1:28:50 --> 1:28:52
Japanese and Chinese.

1735
1:28:52 --> 1:28:54
So these are like the four.

1736
1:28:54 --> 1:28:58
But I'm wondering, because of all the things

1737
1:28:58 --> 1:28:59
that I saw there on that island,

1738
1:28:59 --> 1:29:02
beautiful island, beautiful people,

1739
1:29:02 --> 1:29:07
but just what we the Americans do on that island,

1740
1:29:08 --> 1:29:10
it now leads me to believe that

1741
1:29:10 --> 1:29:15
is there something going on in the actual trafficking

1742
1:29:15 --> 1:29:17
of the moving of these people?

1743
1:29:17 --> 1:29:20
Because I had met a lot of girls as an example,

1744
1:29:20 --> 1:29:22
like the Filipina girls,

1745
1:29:22 --> 1:29:25
after their year of work was over,

1746
1:29:25 --> 1:29:30
they would either like could re-up and stay or go back home.

1747
1:29:30 --> 1:29:32
But a lot of them then continued on and said,

1748
1:29:32 --> 1:29:35
oh no, I'm gonna go to Japan.

1749
1:29:36 --> 1:29:39
And so I realized, wow, they're like moving.

1750
1:29:41 --> 1:29:45
So my question is kind of resides in that spot.

1751
1:29:45 --> 1:29:47
Like, have you ever heard of anything

1752
1:29:47 --> 1:29:51
about the Marianas Islands chain

1753
1:29:51 --> 1:29:55
of possibly being like a jumping off point

1754
1:29:55 --> 1:30:00
between America and the Asian continent?

1755
1:30:01 --> 1:30:02
Yeah.

1756
1:30:02 --> 1:30:04
It makes sense.

1757
1:30:04 --> 1:30:05
Have you heard about it, Juliet?

1758
1:30:07 --> 1:30:11
I was gonna say, I was gonna suggest that you go research,

1759
1:30:11 --> 1:30:15
look up the International Organization of Migration,

1760
1:30:15 --> 1:30:20
because they are behind moving the people on your islands

1761
1:30:21 --> 1:30:22
and everywhere in the world.

1762
1:30:23 --> 1:30:28
It's the United Nations Agency which handles migration.

1763
1:30:28 --> 1:30:33
It's almost 100% funded with US taxpayer money.

1764
1:30:33 --> 1:30:36
So that's one of the reasons to cut off USAID.

1765
1:30:36 --> 1:30:39
And they brag about, if you go to their website,

1766
1:30:39 --> 1:30:44
they brag about moving 270 million people worldwide

1767
1:30:44 --> 1:30:47
supporting their migration in the last three years.

1768
1:30:47 --> 1:30:49
So they are behind this.

1769
1:30:49 --> 1:30:53
They have multiple headquarters

1770
1:30:53 --> 1:30:56
on the migration routes to the United States.

1771
1:30:56 --> 1:30:58
They're all throughout Mexico.

1772
1:30:58 --> 1:31:01
They have a headquarters, quite a large one facility

1773
1:31:01 --> 1:31:03
in the Darien Gap.

1774
1:31:03 --> 1:31:07
So they manage the migrants that get to Central America

1775
1:31:07 --> 1:31:09
and then up into the Darien Gap

1776
1:31:09 --> 1:31:12
and then manage their passage up to the United States.

1777
1:31:12 --> 1:31:15
So it's all funded by one UN agency.

1778
1:31:15 --> 1:31:19
And I could do a whole two hours

1779
1:31:19 --> 1:31:21
on the International Organization of Migration,

1780
1:31:21 --> 1:31:22
but you should look that up,

1781
1:31:22 --> 1:31:25
because they're the ones largely funding,

1782
1:31:25 --> 1:31:29
government funding these trafficked people

1783
1:31:29 --> 1:31:31
from all over the world.

1784
1:31:31 --> 1:31:33
One other observation on that island,

1785
1:31:33 --> 1:31:36
in 1998, I was there for 10 months.

1786
1:31:36 --> 1:31:41
And all the doctors on the island were Canadians,

1787
1:31:41 --> 1:31:44
all like 99%.

1788
1:31:44 --> 1:31:47
The two that I worked for were the only two,

1789
1:31:47 --> 1:31:50
the first two indigenous doctors from that area,

1790
1:31:50 --> 1:31:53
Dr. Hocog and Dr. Aldon.

1791
1:31:53 --> 1:31:56
We started, and they started Saipan Health Clinic.

1792
1:31:56 --> 1:31:59
And that's what I was there helping them set that up.

1793
1:31:59 --> 1:32:02
But all the doctors were Canadian.

1794
1:32:02 --> 1:32:04
And the light bulb went off, Kathy,

1795
1:32:04 --> 1:32:08
when you said earlier, you just brought up Eli Lilly

1796
1:32:09 --> 1:32:13
and Cyclone B, and it just dawned on me,

1797
1:32:13 --> 1:32:17
wait a minute, why is all the medical establishment people

1798
1:32:17 --> 1:32:19
were Canadians?

1799
1:32:19 --> 1:32:21
And I know, you know, Kenote.

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1:32:21 --> 1:32:23
Okay, we're gonna move.

1801
1:32:23 --> 1:32:24
We're gonna leave all that.

1802
1:32:24 --> 1:32:24
So anyways.

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1:32:25 --> 1:32:28
And Albert, she did mention,

1804
1:32:28 --> 1:32:31
one of the guests mentioned Pierre Trudeau as well.

1805
1:32:31 --> 1:32:33
So that's a Canadian connection.

1806
1:32:33 --> 1:32:34
Yeah.

1807
1:32:34 --> 1:32:37
All right, just quickly, but Kathy, I know you gotta go,

1808
1:32:37 --> 1:32:39
but we've got Astrid and then Susan,

1809
1:32:39 --> 1:32:40
and then we'll let you go.

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1:32:40 --> 1:32:41
Astrid?

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1:32:42 --> 1:32:43
Yeah, thank you.

1812
1:32:43 --> 1:32:45
Thank you so much, Charles and Stefan

1813
1:32:45 --> 1:32:47
for making this topic.

1814
1:32:47 --> 1:32:49
And thank you to Katie and Juliet.

1815
1:32:49 --> 1:32:51
I haven't read everything,

1816
1:32:51 --> 1:32:55
but I think you are one of the greatest evidence

1817
1:32:55 --> 1:32:59
and explanation for what is going on behind the scene.

1818
1:32:59 --> 1:33:01
And I'm saying that because my question is about

1819
1:33:01 --> 1:33:04
a deep question I have.

1820
1:33:04 --> 1:33:08
This is, and you said it, a spiritual war against humanity.

1821
1:33:08 --> 1:33:11
And everything brings me to that.

1822
1:33:11 --> 1:33:14
And I just want to mention the vaccination

1823
1:33:14 --> 1:33:17
is not only full of nanotech, aluminum,

1824
1:33:17 --> 1:33:21
and frequency, captation, and et cetera,

1825
1:33:22 --> 1:33:24
but I have worked with exorcists.

1826
1:33:24 --> 1:33:26
And I said, what is in, they wanted to analyze it.

1827
1:33:26 --> 1:33:29
So I brought some vials.

1828
1:33:29 --> 1:33:31
And they came up after three years,

1829
1:33:31 --> 1:33:34
they got a lot of vials to say that

1830
1:33:34 --> 1:33:36
they have made a lot of black magic.

1831
1:33:36 --> 1:33:38
And there are about seven entities in this

1832
1:33:38 --> 1:33:40
and the different entities.

1833
1:33:40 --> 1:33:44
And that they are putting everything they can in that

1834
1:33:44 --> 1:33:48
to turn off the soul and to turn off the light in the soul.

1835
1:33:48 --> 1:33:51
So what you said when you said collect the soul,

1836
1:33:51 --> 1:33:54
that's exactly what he said.

1837
1:33:54 --> 1:33:57
On the other hand, I have also been investigating

1838
1:33:57 --> 1:34:00
not only the UN and I can just confirm Juliet

1839
1:34:00 --> 1:34:02
that it's not only the International Organization

1840
1:34:02 --> 1:34:06
of Migration, it's the United Nations High Commissioner

1841
1:34:06 --> 1:34:11
for Refugees, and it's the whole humanitarian center

1842
1:34:11 --> 1:34:12
that are in Geneva where I am.

1843
1:34:12 --> 1:34:14
And sorry, I did not introduce me.

1844
1:34:14 --> 1:34:18
Astrid Stuckeberger and I'm a WSO whistleblower.

1845
1:34:18 --> 1:34:20
I've worked with the UN, I've worked with WHO,

1846
1:34:20 --> 1:34:24
but I'm also in public health and I have reviewed science

1847
1:34:24 --> 1:34:26
for politicians for UN, et cetera.

1848
1:34:26 --> 1:34:31
So I come to the conclusion that the UN is totally occupied

1849
1:34:31 --> 1:34:33
and has to be dismantled because what you're saying

1850
1:34:33 --> 1:34:35
is exactly it is a corrupt system

1851
1:34:35 --> 1:34:38
and they are doing sacrifices in the CERN.

1852
1:34:38 --> 1:34:41
So I have been also a whistleblower for the CERN

1853
1:34:41 --> 1:34:45
because I investigated and everything is around satanists.

1854
1:34:45 --> 1:34:48
They are opening portals and they want to bring in

1855
1:34:48 --> 1:34:50
entities from other worlds.

1856
1:34:50 --> 1:34:53
It's the chief officer of research in the CERN

1857
1:34:53 --> 1:34:57
who said that when we had the eclipse on 8th of April.

1858
1:34:57 --> 1:35:00
So this question is like, let's dug deep in that.

1859
1:35:00 --> 1:35:02
Who is behind this?

1860
1:35:02 --> 1:35:06
Because you mentioned that your father was also a victim.

1861
1:35:06 --> 1:35:08
So it's a trans-generation problem,

1862
1:35:08 --> 1:35:12
but who is controlling this whole narrative

1863
1:35:12 --> 1:35:14
and what the heck do they want?

1864
1:35:14 --> 1:35:15
Where do they come from?

1865
1:35:15 --> 1:35:19
Because we cannot fight them if we don't know exactly

1866
1:35:19 --> 1:35:22
or at least a bit, and you must know more than anybody,

1867
1:35:22 --> 1:35:23
who they are.

1868
1:35:23 --> 1:35:24
Are they a human species behind?

1869
1:35:24 --> 1:35:26
Is it another type?

1870
1:35:26 --> 1:35:28
David Icke says they are reptilians

1871
1:35:28 --> 1:35:31
and some others say they're exoplanets.

1872
1:35:31 --> 1:35:34
And we have seen interviews of the mother of darkness,

1873
1:35:35 --> 1:35:39
seeing big reptilians behind the queen

1874
1:35:39 --> 1:35:44
and a big dinosaur with big ear for King Charles.

1875
1:35:44 --> 1:35:46
I mean, I don't know what to think about this

1876
1:35:46 --> 1:35:51
because they are doing so much geoengineering to kill us

1877
1:35:51 --> 1:35:54
that it's just like they want to swallow us.

1878
1:35:54 --> 1:35:55
They cannot be human.

1879
1:35:55 --> 1:36:00
So could you just give us a clue on what is really at stake?

1880
1:36:01 --> 1:36:02
It cannot just be Satan against God.

1881
1:36:02 --> 1:36:07
It is something against humans and our-

1882
1:36:07 --> 1:36:11
I think that's the question that we all need to be able

1883
1:36:11 --> 1:36:14
to explore and it begins with reclaiming our free thought

1884
1:36:15 --> 1:36:19
and realizing the resiliency of body, mind and spirit.

1885
1:36:19 --> 1:36:22
That soul is stronger than genetics.

1886
1:36:22 --> 1:36:24
That soul is strong enough.

1887
1:36:24 --> 1:36:26
We have so much inner strength.

1888
1:36:26 --> 1:36:30
We are able to overcome anything that life puts in our path

1889
1:36:30 --> 1:36:33
because what happens to us is not who we are.

1890
1:36:33 --> 1:36:35
Who we are is still within us.

1891
1:36:35 --> 1:36:38
So we have this saving grace

1892
1:36:38 --> 1:36:41
and that is what these perpetrators fear.

1893
1:36:41 --> 1:36:43
It doesn't matter if we call them aliens or demons

1894
1:36:43 --> 1:36:45
or whatever we want to call them.

1895
1:36:45 --> 1:36:48
All I know is that they are very low vibration,

1896
1:36:48 --> 1:36:53
dark negative energy force that feed off of low vibration.

1897
1:36:55 --> 1:36:57
They need to keep us at a low vibration.

1898
1:36:57 --> 1:37:00
They need to keep us in fear, keep us divided,

1899
1:37:00 --> 1:37:05
keep us in hating, keep us in that low negative vibration

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1:37:07 --> 1:37:09
because that's what they can feed off.

1901
1:37:09 --> 1:37:11
Well, when we-

1902
1:37:11 --> 1:37:12
Are they going to go extinct?

1903
1:37:12 --> 1:37:14
Are they in extinction?

1904
1:37:14 --> 1:37:16
Well, when we live the love we are,

1905
1:37:16 --> 1:37:19
when we go and we gather all that in the light of truth,

1906
1:37:19 --> 1:37:22
when we have our free thought, our ability to gather

1907
1:37:22 --> 1:37:25
that strength of spirit, we have all the strength.

1908
1:37:25 --> 1:37:27
We have the victory.

1909
1:37:27 --> 1:37:30
We have been blessed and born with that victory

1910
1:37:30 --> 1:37:33
within us all along and they know it.

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1:37:33 --> 1:37:36
That's what they fear is that we're going to remember that.

1912
1:37:36 --> 1:37:40
So they try to keep us in this constant state of fear.

1913
1:37:40 --> 1:37:43
And when in fact, it's like when we start living the love

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1:37:43 --> 1:37:46
that we are, that vibration is so high

1915
1:37:46 --> 1:37:49
that they cannot affect it.

1916
1:37:49 --> 1:37:52
They are not like us and they do not like us.

1917
1:37:52 --> 1:37:54
We can call them soulless.

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1:37:54 --> 1:37:57
We can call them, but whatever we call them,

1919
1:37:57 --> 1:38:01
the fact of the matter is we have all the power

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1:38:01 --> 1:38:04
and their darkness cannot creep in on our light.

1921
1:38:04 --> 1:38:06
That's an impossibility.

1922
1:38:06 --> 1:38:10
Our light exposes what they're hiding in their darkness.

1923
1:38:10 --> 1:38:13
So we need to remember who we are and why we're here,

1924
1:38:13 --> 1:38:16
gather that strength of spirit, shine that light,

1925
1:38:16 --> 1:38:20
live the love we are and it's game over on all levels.

1926
1:38:20 --> 1:38:22
We win, they lose.

1927
1:38:23 --> 1:38:28
Charles, I think if Astrid Stuckelberger

1928
1:38:28 --> 1:38:31
and Kathy O'Brien and Juliet Engel would like to present

1929
1:38:31 --> 1:38:34
to us another time and have a conversation on these lines,

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1:38:34 --> 1:38:37
that would be really helpful to a lot of people, I think.

1931
1:38:37 --> 1:38:38
I would love to.

1932
1:38:38 --> 1:38:39
Very good.

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1:38:39 --> 1:38:40
All right, so thank you, Astrid.

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1:38:40 --> 1:38:45
A last question before we let you go, Kathy from Susan.

1935
1:38:45 --> 1:38:49
Yes, I have on the line Stephen Reimer's college classmate

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1:38:49 --> 1:38:51
who's been trying to expose the same people

1937
1:38:51 --> 1:38:52
for the last 10 years.

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1:38:52 --> 1:38:55
He's working with somebody that's had the same experience.

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1:38:55 --> 1:38:57
So I'll let Steve speak now.

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1:38:57 --> 1:38:59
Go, Steve.

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1:38:59 --> 1:39:00
Stephen, go for it.

1942
1:39:01 --> 1:39:01
I've got something to say for me.

1943
1:39:01 --> 1:39:03
This is a holy shit moment.

1944
1:39:03 --> 1:39:05
We can't hear him.

1945
1:39:05 --> 1:39:07
Hang on, hang on, wait, Stephen.

1946
1:39:07 --> 1:39:10
Oh, can you not hear me?

1947
1:39:10 --> 1:39:11
Go for it.

1948
1:39:11 --> 1:39:13
Well, yeah, okay.

1949
1:39:14 --> 1:39:17
Been in contact with him June of 2015,

1950
1:39:17 --> 1:39:21
then personally got stuck into one of these satanic groups

1951
1:39:21 --> 1:39:23
and asked to call the family.

1952
1:39:23 --> 1:39:26
Managed to, one of the very few who managed to escape

1953
1:39:26 --> 1:39:29
and many of the horror stories about MKUltra,

1954
1:39:29 --> 1:39:32
mind control, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1955
1:39:32 --> 1:39:33
He's relayed to me.

1956
1:39:33 --> 1:39:38
I've helped him out of the house, helped me be able to

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1:39:38 --> 1:39:39
remember many of those memories.

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1:39:39 --> 1:39:42
This particular kid was personally,

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1:39:42 --> 1:39:46
I say again, personally abused by somebody very high up

1960
1:39:46 --> 1:39:47
in our government at the time

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1:39:47 --> 1:39:49
by the name of Vice President Michael Pence.

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1:39:51 --> 1:39:53
Pence is dirtier than North Dakota farmland.

1963
1:39:55 --> 1:40:00
Anyhow, got pretty good ideas, spent a lot of time

1964
1:40:00 --> 1:40:01
figuring out how this group is organized.

1965
1:40:01 --> 1:40:04
They work out of a network of churches,

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1:40:04 --> 1:40:06
about 3000 churches in the US.

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1:40:06 --> 1:40:07
They look like normal churches

1968
1:40:07 --> 1:40:10
and to a casual observer they are,

1969
1:40:10 --> 1:40:12
but there's an underground side,

1970
1:40:12 --> 1:40:14
usually part of Healing Room,

1971
1:40:14 --> 1:40:16
which is a nationwide network

1972
1:40:16 --> 1:40:18
of communication computer links for.

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1:40:20 --> 1:40:21
Open up dark stuff.

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1:40:23 --> 1:40:26
Just about every community has got one of these.

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1:40:28 --> 1:40:31
These people have, at one time,

1976
1:40:32 --> 1:40:34
a lot of our work has eroded some of their ability,

1977
1:40:34 --> 1:40:38
but at one time they had an ability to mobilize

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1:40:38 --> 1:40:40
enough followers to pretty much take over

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1:40:40 --> 1:40:42
the entire United States on a day's time.

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1:40:43 --> 1:40:48
Anyhow, I would love to have a chance

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1:40:48 --> 1:40:51
to explain that to the group.

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1:40:51 --> 1:40:54
I have a website you can go on if you want to see.

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1:40:54 --> 1:40:59
It's called, findmeatbuffy.com forward slash investigator 11.

1984
1:41:02 --> 1:41:03
There's an order chart in there

1985
1:41:03 --> 1:41:04
which you have to be a member to get to,

1986
1:41:04 --> 1:41:06
plus $10 a month,

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1:41:06 --> 1:41:10
that shows how this whole group, in my view, is organized.

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1:41:10 --> 1:41:13
They're linked to the promulgation of the COVID virus.

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1:41:15 --> 1:41:16
When COVID broke out in China,

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1:41:16 --> 1:41:20
I was personally talking to one guy up in Washington State

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1:41:20 --> 1:41:21
and I asked him what happened.

1992
1:41:21 --> 1:41:22
He said, was that you guys?

1993
1:41:22 --> 1:41:24
He said, that was us.

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1:41:24 --> 1:41:25
That's a direct quote.

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1:41:26 --> 1:41:30
I had a pretty good idea of how COVID got here

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1:41:30 --> 1:41:32
and how it was handled after it was here.

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1:41:33 --> 1:41:35
It's a vector for a lot of things.

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1:41:35 --> 1:41:38
It interacts with 5G cellular if you do it right.

1999
1:41:39 --> 1:41:43
The 5G cellular network, the COVID thing

2000
1:41:43 --> 1:41:46
was in some degree part of a big enough distraction

2001
1:41:46 --> 1:41:50
to let Verizon get all these super powerful

2002
1:41:50 --> 1:41:51
5G cellular towers up.

2003
1:41:53 --> 1:41:54
They can be up.

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1:41:54 --> 1:41:55
All right, come on, Susan.

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1:41:55 --> 1:41:56
We've time for time.

2006
1:41:56 --> 1:41:57
Okay, Steve, you've gotta,

2007
1:41:57 --> 1:41:59
why don't you give me your website

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1:41:59 --> 1:42:02
because the main speaker has to go.

2009
1:42:02 --> 1:42:04
Susan, it's in the chat.

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1:42:04 --> 1:42:05
It's in the chat.

2011
1:42:06 --> 1:42:08
Okay, so thank you, Steve.

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1:42:08 --> 1:42:08
We'll follow up.

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1:42:08 --> 1:42:09
Thank you, Steve.

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1:42:09 --> 1:42:11
We're willing to collaborate in any way,

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1:42:11 --> 1:42:13
help write a book, work with you guys,

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1:42:13 --> 1:42:14
have Steve on, tell us what you want.

2017
1:42:16 --> 1:42:17
Beautiful, thank you, Susan.

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1:42:17 --> 1:42:19
All right, Cathy, I know we have taken you

2019
1:42:19 --> 1:42:22
for a little bit longer.

2020
1:42:22 --> 1:42:24
Is there last comments and then we'll go back to Juliet

2021
1:42:24 --> 1:42:25
after you leave.

2022
1:42:25 --> 1:42:27
Cathy, anything else you'd like to say?

2023
1:42:27 --> 1:42:28
Beautifully, you already said beautiful stuff.

2024
1:42:28 --> 1:42:30
Thank you so much.

2025
1:42:30 --> 1:42:34
Everybody, please note, soul is greater than genetics.

2026
1:42:34 --> 1:42:37
I hope you all noted that.

2027
1:42:37 --> 1:42:40
Soul is greater than genetics.

2028
1:42:40 --> 1:42:44
And those of you who know nothing about soul,

2029
1:42:44 --> 1:42:46
suspend your disbelief.

2030
1:42:46 --> 1:42:47
Thank you, Cathy.

2031
1:42:47 --> 1:42:48
Thank you for your testimony.

2032
1:42:48 --> 1:42:50
Thank you for your bravery.

2033
1:42:50 --> 1:42:52
And again, thank you, Daria,

2034
1:42:52 --> 1:42:54
for organizing Cathy to be here.

2035
1:42:54 --> 1:42:56
So please, we'll have you back again.

2036
1:42:57 --> 1:42:59
There's lots to unpack, but Cathy, you go,

2037
1:42:59 --> 1:43:01
because you're time to time.

2038
1:43:01 --> 1:43:02
Maybe she doesn't want to go now, Charles.

2039
1:43:02 --> 1:43:03
Thank you, Cathy.

2040
1:43:03 --> 1:43:04
God bless.

2041
1:43:04 --> 1:43:05
Thank you.

2042
1:43:05 --> 1:43:06
Maybe she wants to stay now.

2043
1:43:06 --> 1:43:09
She told us she had to go at 90 minutes, Stephen.

2044
1:43:09 --> 1:43:12
Well, 90 minutes was some time ago.

2045
1:43:12 --> 1:43:15
No, it was 17 minutes ago, to be precise.

2046
1:43:15 --> 1:43:15
All right.

2047
1:43:15 --> 1:43:17
Okay, she's gone.

2048
1:43:17 --> 1:43:19
All right, back to Ron with Juliet.

2049
1:43:23 --> 1:43:24
Hello.

2050
1:43:24 --> 1:43:26
Can I say something to...

2051
1:43:27 --> 1:43:29
About what Cathy's saying,

2052
1:43:29 --> 1:43:34
because she just gave us the key to manage all of this.

2053
1:43:34 --> 1:43:35
She just gave...

2054
1:43:35 --> 1:43:39
And it sounds like maybe new age, but it isn't.

2055
1:43:40 --> 1:43:43
When I was a child and we were on the beach

2056
1:43:43 --> 1:43:46
night after night after night in Mexico,

2057
1:43:46 --> 1:43:50
summoning demons, opening portals and summoning demons,

2058
1:43:50 --> 1:43:52
just like they're doing in CERN.

2059
1:43:52 --> 1:43:56
I'm sure this would be in the late 1950s.

2060
1:43:57 --> 1:43:59
We didn't have a hadron collider,

2061
1:43:59 --> 1:44:03
but they were after the human soul.

2062
1:44:03 --> 1:44:08
And they were using spells from the Mein Kampf book

2063
1:44:08 --> 1:44:09
that we can't get copies of,

2064
1:44:11 --> 1:44:13
to summon demons from the ocean, to summon aliens.

2065
1:44:13 --> 1:44:16
They were trying to use the children,

2066
1:44:16 --> 1:44:21
the power of the children, to draw in entities

2067
1:44:21 --> 1:44:25
that they thought would be extremely powerful.

2068
1:44:25 --> 1:44:30
What they found is that they weren't as powerful

2069
1:44:31 --> 1:44:33
as they thought they were going to be.

2070
1:44:33 --> 1:44:36
And what Cathy's saying is if any human being

2071
1:44:36 --> 1:44:40
that can stay in love and in strength

2072
1:44:40 --> 1:44:45
and in contact with the Lord and in their core,

2073
1:44:45 --> 1:44:48
which is what I was always able to do as a child,

2074
1:44:48 --> 1:44:52
I never ever identified MK Eldra as part of me.

2075
1:44:52 --> 1:44:54
It was always something external to me

2076
1:44:54 --> 1:44:57
because I had an internal core that was connected to God.

2077
1:44:57 --> 1:45:01
I had no idea what God was, but I knew it wasn't that.

2078
1:45:01 --> 1:45:05
And so there's the key,

2079
1:45:05 --> 1:45:07
even though we don't know what these creatures are,

2080
1:45:07 --> 1:45:10
I'm convinced they're off planet.

2081
1:45:10 --> 1:45:12
They hate us.

2082
1:45:12 --> 1:45:14
Genocide and destruction of the human race

2083
1:45:14 --> 1:45:19
was part of every lesson of the kids

2084
1:45:19 --> 1:45:20
that were in the MK Eldra group.

2085
1:45:20 --> 1:45:23
We started out with there is no life, basically.

2086
1:45:23 --> 1:45:28
We're taking your soul and you're gonna be a goat.

2087
1:45:29 --> 1:45:32
They had us divided into goats and sheep.

2088
1:45:32 --> 1:45:36
The goats were gonna be the mind control masters

2089
1:45:36 --> 1:45:37
with no souls.

2090
1:45:37 --> 1:45:38
And frankly, they're right there

2091
1:45:38 --> 1:45:40
in the senior executive service.

2092
1:45:40 --> 1:45:42
You can look them up in the plum book.

2093
1:45:42 --> 1:45:46
And the rest are the sheep.

2094
1:45:47 --> 1:45:49
And they have no love or regard for the sheep.

2095
1:45:49 --> 1:45:51
And as far as they're concerned,

2096
1:45:51 --> 1:45:52
the sheep are gonna be slaughtered.

2097
1:45:52 --> 1:45:54
We're gonna move into the goats.

2098
1:45:54 --> 1:45:56
We're gonna move into underground bases

2099
1:45:56 --> 1:46:00
as the planet is sterilized and refitted.

2100
1:46:00 --> 1:46:02
And then what?

2101
1:46:02 --> 1:46:04
I'm not sure.

2102
1:46:04 --> 1:46:05
But that was the textbook.

2103
1:46:05 --> 1:46:07
And I wrote all this down.

2104
1:46:07 --> 1:46:12
I took copious notes from my MK Eldra classes.

2105
1:46:12 --> 1:46:16
But what Kathy says is there's the key,

2106
1:46:16 --> 1:46:20
is learning how to stay in love and not fear.

2107
1:46:20 --> 1:46:21
Beautiful.

2108
1:46:21 --> 1:46:24
Well, beautifully said, Juliet.

2109
1:46:24 --> 1:46:27
Ron, that will be music to your ears, I would have thought.

2110
1:46:27 --> 1:46:27
Yes, it is.

2111
1:46:27 --> 1:46:30
As a man of faith and as a Christian who loved the Lord,

2112
1:46:30 --> 1:46:35
yes, it's all about love, loving God and loving people.

2113
1:46:35 --> 1:46:39
You mentioned in answering Stephen Frost's questions,

2114
1:46:39 --> 1:46:41
something about New California.

2115
1:46:41 --> 1:46:44
Can you expound on that?

2116
1:46:44 --> 1:46:47
Because Julie Threatt and I were asked to speak

2117
1:46:47 --> 1:46:49
at a New California event in California.

2118
1:46:49 --> 1:46:52
In Calais County yesterday.

2119
1:46:52 --> 1:46:56
And are you connected with the New California movement?

2120
1:46:56 --> 1:46:59
Well, they've had me on their program several times

2121
1:46:59 --> 1:47:02
because most of my MK Eldra experience

2122
1:47:02 --> 1:47:04
took place in California.

2123
1:47:04 --> 1:47:08
So I was indoctrinated at Disneyland.

2124
1:47:08 --> 1:47:11
This would be when it opened in like 1956,

2125
1:47:11 --> 1:47:13
55, 56, it was being built.

2126
1:47:13 --> 1:47:18
We were already there in the,

2127
1:47:19 --> 1:47:24
certain retreats, which are now sort of religious centers.

2128
1:47:24 --> 1:47:28
They had annexes or what they would call the safe houses

2129
1:47:28 --> 1:47:31
inside the religious retreats.

2130
1:47:31 --> 1:47:35
They had one annex in a mission in Capistrano.

2131
1:47:35 --> 1:47:37
I mean, it wasn't in the mission itself,

2132
1:47:37 --> 1:47:40
but it was near enough to it that I saw the mission.

2133
1:47:42 --> 1:47:46
So California for me, that was primarily

2134
1:47:46 --> 1:47:48
where my experiences were.

2135
1:47:48 --> 1:47:51
So I've been sharing that on Paul Preston's

2136
1:47:51 --> 1:47:53
New California broadcast.

2137
1:47:53 --> 1:47:57
And California, New California is basically,

2138
1:47:57 --> 1:48:01
I don't know how many 80 counties of California are leaving

2139
1:48:02 --> 1:48:04
and creating a new state.

2140
1:48:04 --> 1:48:06
And they're gonna leave Los Angeles, San Francisco

2141
1:48:06 --> 1:48:09
and San Diego behind.

2142
1:48:09 --> 1:48:14
And it's got a lot of momentum from what I can see.

2143
1:48:14 --> 1:48:16
Julie Threaten, I observed that yesterday.

2144
1:48:16 --> 1:48:18
I don't wanna spend more time

2145
1:48:18 --> 1:48:20
because other people wanna ask questions,

2146
1:48:20 --> 1:48:23
but thank you for appearing for us today.

2147
1:48:25 --> 1:48:26
You're welcome.

2148
1:48:26 --> 1:48:28
Thank you, Ron.

2149
1:48:28 --> 1:48:29
Dave.

2150
1:48:30 --> 1:48:32
Yeah, sorry about, can you hear me okay?

2151
1:48:32 --> 1:48:33
Yep.

2152
1:48:35 --> 1:48:38
So I had a number of quick questions.

2153
1:48:39 --> 1:48:40
MKUltra,

2154
1:48:41 --> 1:48:43
there's a bunch of potential candidates.

2155
1:48:43 --> 1:48:45
I wonder if you're familiar with any of them.

2156
1:48:45 --> 1:48:47
One of them's Louie Mangione.

2157
1:48:47 --> 1:48:49
I am totally convinced that there's something wrong

2158
1:48:49 --> 1:48:50
with that story.

2159
1:48:50 --> 1:48:52
Is this ringing a bell?

2160
1:48:53 --> 1:48:55
Candidate for what?

2161
1:48:55 --> 1:48:57
For being MKUltra products.

2162
1:48:59 --> 1:49:00
Oh, I'm not familiar with them, no.

2163
1:49:00 --> 1:49:04
Okay, Ryan Ruth, the attempted assassin.

2164
1:49:06 --> 1:49:08
Oh, you're talking about,

2165
1:49:08 --> 1:49:12
oh, you're talking about the guy

2166
1:49:12 --> 1:49:14
that shot the United Healthcare?

2167
1:49:14 --> 1:49:15
Yeah.

2168
1:49:15 --> 1:49:16
Exactly.

2169
1:49:16 --> 1:49:20
Yeah, Mangione's the guy who shot the United Healthcare guy.

2170
1:49:20 --> 1:49:25
And then probably, and the, certainly I think Crookes was.

2171
1:49:25 --> 1:49:29
The first, the one who's the patsy for.

2172
1:49:29 --> 1:49:31
Thomas Crookes, yeah, Thomas Crookes looked like it.

2173
1:49:31 --> 1:49:33
For the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting.

2174
1:49:33 --> 1:49:36
I mean, he's just classic.

2175
1:49:36 --> 1:49:37
I know.

2176
1:49:38 --> 1:49:40
But whether it'll get uncovered or not,

2177
1:49:40 --> 1:49:41
well, it already has been uncovered.

2178
1:49:41 --> 1:49:44
I mean, George Webb's reporting on it all the time.

2179
1:49:46 --> 1:49:50
So more interesting one, Kamala Harris.

2180
1:49:50 --> 1:49:54
Oh, she, probably all of the people who are,

2181
1:49:54 --> 1:49:56
anyone that looks soulless to you,

2182
1:49:57 --> 1:49:58
if you've ever met Kamala Harris,

2183
1:49:58 --> 1:50:01
there's nothing there.

2184
1:50:01 --> 1:50:03
Yeah, so there's a woman named Elizabeth Nixon

2185
1:50:03 --> 1:50:05
spelled N-I-C-K-S-O-N,

2186
1:50:05 --> 1:50:08
who is Time Magazine's European head.

2187
1:50:08 --> 1:50:12
So she's not a lightweight in journalism.

2188
1:50:12 --> 1:50:15
And her mother, she found out was a victim

2189
1:50:15 --> 1:50:17
of the McGill Group.

2190
1:50:17 --> 1:50:18
And she literally quit her job

2191
1:50:18 --> 1:50:20
and studied MKUltra for three years.

2192
1:50:20 --> 1:50:24
And she started talking about Kamala showing all the traits.

2193
1:50:25 --> 1:50:28
Someone I know very well, Catherine Austin Fitz.

2194
1:50:28 --> 1:50:30
Someone has told me she was a victim

2195
1:50:30 --> 1:50:32
and I haven't yet asked her

2196
1:50:33 --> 1:50:34
what if this rings a bell?

2197
1:50:34 --> 1:50:36
Yeah.

2198
1:50:36 --> 1:50:36
Okay.

2199
1:50:36 --> 1:50:38
She was, I believe.

2200
1:50:38 --> 1:50:39
And every once in a while,

2201
1:50:39 --> 1:50:42
she says something that's right out of the program.

2202
1:50:43 --> 1:50:47
But she has, she's used it in a very positive way.

2203
1:50:47 --> 1:50:48
Very positive.

2204
1:50:51 --> 1:50:53
I have a question about memories.

2205
1:50:53 --> 1:50:55
This is a tricky thing.

2206
1:50:55 --> 1:50:58
So as you go from having no memories

2207
1:50:58 --> 1:51:01
to having all these memories,

2208
1:51:01 --> 1:51:04
it is notoriously hard to know

2209
1:51:04 --> 1:51:06
when your memories are legitimate

2210
1:51:06 --> 1:51:08
when you've led a normal life,

2211
1:51:08 --> 1:51:10
normal by most people's standards.

2212
1:51:10 --> 1:51:12
And when you're trying to retrieve memories

2213
1:51:12 --> 1:51:16
from such a horrible sort of childhood,

2214
1:51:16 --> 1:51:18
it must be that much more difficult.

2215
1:51:18 --> 1:51:22
Have you ever dug into the challenges that you face?

2216
1:51:22 --> 1:51:23
Because you really could be,

2217
1:51:25 --> 1:51:27
when I listen to Cathy, for example,

2218
1:51:27 --> 1:51:30
I hear a person who simultaneously

2219
1:51:30 --> 1:51:32
went through the trauma that she describes

2220
1:51:32 --> 1:51:37
and now speaks in a language that's very academic

2221
1:51:38 --> 1:51:40
in the sense that it's clear that she's put her memories

2222
1:51:40 --> 1:51:44
in the context of the modern theories of trafficking.

2223
1:51:44 --> 1:51:47
And that kind of blurs the story a little bit.

2224
1:51:47 --> 1:51:49
Do you understand what my point is?

2225
1:51:49 --> 1:51:51
Where else in your trouble,

2226
1:51:51 --> 1:51:55
whether you created a memory or distorted it?

2227
1:51:57 --> 1:52:00
Memories, there's a difference

2228
1:52:01 --> 1:52:04
between memories and something you made up or perceived.

2229
1:52:04 --> 1:52:06
Memories don't change.

2230
1:52:07 --> 1:52:12
And so when I'm remembering being sold by my father,

2231
1:52:12 --> 1:52:14
I remember how the money smelled.

2232
1:52:14 --> 1:52:17
I remember how sweaty I was.

2233
1:52:17 --> 1:52:19
I remember that I was being held faced down

2234
1:52:19 --> 1:52:21
in this smelly sheet,

2235
1:52:21 --> 1:52:23
which I would recognize the smell anywhere.

2236
1:52:23 --> 1:52:28
So there's many more clues rather than just auditory or-

2237
1:52:29 --> 1:52:32
Right, some are too vivid to have been.

2238
1:52:32 --> 1:52:36
Yeah, I know, it just strikes me as a potential problem,

2239
1:52:36 --> 1:52:38
a challenge for someone who's trying to recreate

2240
1:52:38 --> 1:52:41
their past from memories.

2241
1:52:41 --> 1:52:43
Well, I'm trying to tell you.

2242
1:52:43 --> 1:52:45
No, I know, I hear you.

2243
1:52:45 --> 1:52:48
No, you haven't, I haven't answered you yet.

2244
1:52:48 --> 1:52:49
We need to understand, Dave.

2245
1:52:49 --> 1:52:51
We need to understand too.

2246
1:52:53 --> 1:52:55
Yes, I was gonna say that-

2247
1:52:55 --> 1:52:56
Go ahead, Judith.

2248
1:52:56 --> 1:53:01
That there is a technology developed by DARPA

2249
1:53:01 --> 1:53:03
that actually creates memories

2250
1:53:03 --> 1:53:08
because it creates like sounds and visions inside your skull.

2251
1:53:08 --> 1:53:11
And this is a well-known thing that they've done.

2252
1:53:11 --> 1:53:14
So they can create what you would consider false memories.

2253
1:53:14 --> 1:53:18
However, they are, and I've had that done to me.

2254
1:53:18 --> 1:53:23
And I can tell the difference because they're actually,

2255
1:53:23 --> 1:53:26
they're the equivalent of watching something on television

2256
1:53:26 --> 1:53:30
versus something like that experience where I smelled it,

2257
1:53:30 --> 1:53:35
I tasted it, I felt it, it involved my entire body.

2258
1:53:35 --> 1:53:38
And I have total cellular memory of the event.

2259
1:53:38 --> 1:53:42
And certainly in my book, Sparky,

2260
1:53:42 --> 1:53:44
I was drugged a lot of the time.

2261
1:53:44 --> 1:53:48
So the memories are distorted and kind of crazy,

2262
1:53:48 --> 1:53:49
but that's the way it was.

2263
1:53:49 --> 1:53:54
So all I can do is tell you how I experienced something.

2264
1:53:54 --> 1:53:57
And if you read Sparky, you'll know how I experienced it.

2265
1:53:57 --> 1:54:01
And I'm not pretending that I knew all the political things

2266
1:54:01 --> 1:54:03
that were going on or even anything

2267
1:54:03 --> 1:54:08
beyond my little child-sized space.

2268
1:54:08 --> 1:54:11
But I know the difference between what was a memory

2269
1:54:11 --> 1:54:14
and what was told to me or what was inserted,

2270
1:54:14 --> 1:54:16
attempted to insert later.

2271
1:54:16 --> 1:54:17
How old were you, Juliet?

2272
1:54:17 --> 1:54:20
You recall in your memory, how old were you?

2273
1:54:20 --> 1:54:23
I was six when I was sold into the program.

2274
1:54:23 --> 1:54:26
So I start the book Sparky at the age of six.

2275
1:54:26 --> 1:54:30
I was 17 when I escaped from Murphy Hot Springs,

2276
1:54:30 --> 1:54:33
which is now Esalen in Monterey,

2277
1:54:34 --> 1:54:37
and drove myself to the University of Washington,

2278
1:54:38 --> 1:54:40
where I then started my new life.

2279
1:54:41 --> 1:54:43
But in your J.J. Carroll interview,

2280
1:54:43 --> 1:54:45
which I thought was really good,

2281
1:54:46 --> 1:54:48
I thought J.J. Row handled...

2282
1:54:48 --> 1:54:51
Well, J.J.'s been on his own journey,

2283
1:54:51 --> 1:54:54
because when I first started interacting with him,

2284
1:54:54 --> 1:54:56
he was just about the border,

2285
1:54:56 --> 1:54:59
and now his view has expanded dramatically.

2286
1:55:00 --> 1:55:04
But there was a sense that you really started

2287
1:55:04 --> 1:55:09
to retrieve these long lost memories much later in life.

2288
1:55:09 --> 1:55:12
And all of a sudden things were not making...

2289
1:55:12 --> 1:55:13
There were things that were not making sense,

2290
1:55:13 --> 1:55:16
and then the memory started coming back.

2291
1:55:16 --> 1:55:18
I'm just...

2292
1:55:19 --> 1:55:24
It's hard enough for me at 70 to remember stuff,

2293
1:55:26 --> 1:55:28
which admittedly are not as vivid as yours.

2294
1:55:28 --> 1:55:31
Yeah, what about all the drugs you were on, Dave?

2295
1:55:31 --> 1:55:33
Oh yeah, heaven only knows.

2296
1:55:34 --> 1:55:36
So let me ask you another one.

2297
1:55:36 --> 1:55:39
You mentioned the SES in your Carroll interview

2298
1:55:39 --> 1:55:42
that I thought was phenomenally interesting,

2299
1:55:42 --> 1:55:43
but didn't go into detail.

2300
1:55:43 --> 1:55:46
Could you give us a lead into where to read more

2301
1:55:46 --> 1:55:47
about the SES?

2302
1:55:47 --> 1:55:51
Yes, yes, and they have a website as well,

2303
1:55:51 --> 1:55:55
where the SES is Senior Executive Service.

2304
1:55:55 --> 1:56:00
And the MKUltra program supposedly ended

2305
1:56:00 --> 1:56:05
after the Church Commission hearings in Congress in 1976.

2306
1:56:06 --> 1:56:10
It was theoretically discontinued in 77.

2307
1:56:10 --> 1:56:13
I don't believe, of course, that it was,

2308
1:56:13 --> 1:56:15
but that was the official.

2309
1:56:15 --> 1:56:17
They put the dot on it and closed the file

2310
1:56:17 --> 1:56:18
and burned everything.

2311
1:56:18 --> 1:56:21
They destroyed all the records, theoretically.

2312
1:56:21 --> 1:56:25
And then in, I think, 1978, Jimmy Carter signed

2313
1:56:25 --> 1:56:29
the Senior Executive Service into existence,

2314
1:56:29 --> 1:56:32
and suddenly it's populated with all these people

2315
1:56:32 --> 1:56:35
who are then put into high government positions,

2316
1:56:35 --> 1:56:39
moved from agency to agency without any qualifications,

2317
1:56:40 --> 1:56:42
and put in charge.

2318
1:56:42 --> 1:56:47
They're now in charge of 75 government agencies

2319
1:56:47 --> 1:56:51
are headed by SES people who are under control of somebody.

2320
1:56:51 --> 1:56:52
We don't know who.

2321
1:56:52 --> 1:56:54
They cannot be fired.

2322
1:56:54 --> 1:56:57
They get many times the salary

2323
1:56:57 --> 1:57:00
of other people working in projects.

2324
1:57:00 --> 1:57:02
They come in, they disorganize everything.

2325
1:57:02 --> 1:57:04
I've had them come into my projects.

2326
1:57:04 --> 1:57:06
And they just are disruptive.

2327
1:57:06 --> 1:57:08
They're there to make things not work.

2328
1:57:08 --> 1:57:11
So you can look up who these people are.

2329
1:57:11 --> 1:57:15
You can find out the people that Trump tried to fire

2330
1:57:15 --> 1:57:17
in his first time in office

2331
1:57:17 --> 1:57:18
that really should have been fired,

2332
1:57:18 --> 1:57:20
like those guys in the FBI.

2333
1:57:20 --> 1:57:21
Why are they still around?

2334
1:57:21 --> 1:57:23
Why aren't they in prison?

2335
1:57:23 --> 1:57:24
Well, they're SES.

2336
1:57:24 --> 1:57:26
So they cannot be touched.

2337
1:57:26 --> 1:57:27
They cannot be fired.

2338
1:57:27 --> 1:57:28
They're not gonna lose their retirement.

2339
1:57:28 --> 1:57:30
They get million dollar bonuses.

2340
1:57:30 --> 1:57:33
And we're paying for them

2341
1:57:33 --> 1:57:35
while they're working on destroying us.

2342
1:57:35 --> 1:57:39
So you can look them up in the Plum Book.

2343
1:57:39 --> 1:57:42
And somebody just told me there's a new edition

2344
1:57:42 --> 1:57:45
of the Plum Book from like 2024.

2345
1:57:45 --> 1:57:47
That's actually, it's been very hard to use.

2346
1:57:47 --> 1:57:49
They've made it easier to use.

2347
1:57:49 --> 1:57:52
It's Plum, P-L-U-M, book.

2348
1:57:52 --> 1:57:55
And it's called Plum Book because it's a purpley color.

2349
1:57:56 --> 1:57:58
But they also have a website,

2350
1:57:58 --> 1:58:02
seniorexecutiveservice.something.

2351
1:58:02 --> 1:58:05
And they brag about the fact that they run the government.

2352
1:58:06 --> 1:58:08
So is there someone who's written about them

2353
1:58:08 --> 1:58:10
from a less biased view?

2354
1:58:10 --> 1:58:11
No, you don't survive.

2355
1:58:11 --> 1:58:14
No, no, no, you don't talk about them.

2356
1:58:14 --> 1:58:15
You don't survive.

2357
1:58:15 --> 1:58:17
They're extremely dangerous.

2358
1:58:17 --> 1:58:21
So I think it was either you or JJ called them the swamp.

2359
1:58:21 --> 1:58:22
They are the swamp.

2360
1:58:22 --> 1:58:24
The swamp, they are the swamp, yeah.

2361
1:58:24 --> 1:58:25
They are the swamp.

2362
1:58:25 --> 1:58:29
And I believe that's where the MK Ultra graduates

2363
1:58:29 --> 1:58:31
who gave up their souls went.

2364
1:58:33 --> 1:58:37
Because you give up your soul in this process of spinning

2365
1:58:37 --> 1:58:40
and turning to green,

2366
1:58:40 --> 1:58:42
and then you are perpetually rewarded.

2367
1:58:42 --> 1:58:44
You're the singer that can't sing

2368
1:58:44 --> 1:58:45
but sings at the Super Bowl.

2369
1:58:45 --> 1:58:47
You're the movie star that can't act.

2370
1:58:47 --> 1:58:50
You're the government person that runs an agency

2371
1:58:50 --> 1:58:53
without any idea about law enforcement or, you know,

2372
1:58:53 --> 1:58:54
it doesn't matter.

2373
1:58:54 --> 1:58:59
You just get a free ticket to bling money in glory.

2374
1:59:00 --> 1:59:02
Right, okay, thank you.

2375
1:59:02 --> 1:59:03
And there.

2376
1:59:03 --> 1:59:04
Thanks, Dave.

2377
1:59:04 --> 1:59:05
I've got three more questions and then Stephen,

2378
1:59:05 --> 1:59:07
we're finishing in 25 minutes.

2379
1:59:07 --> 1:59:08
Thank you, Dave.

2380
1:59:08 --> 1:59:09
Glenn.

2381
1:59:13 --> 1:59:15
Julius, you explain.

2382
1:59:15 --> 1:59:16
I forgot to turn my audio on.

2383
1:59:16 --> 1:59:17
I'm back on.

2384
1:59:17 --> 1:59:20
All right, so I'm gonna bring up an item

2385
1:59:22 --> 1:59:25
that's in your bio, but you haven't yet mentioned

2386
1:59:25 --> 1:59:26
and to some extent.

2387
1:59:26 --> 1:59:28
So I'm gonna ask you to what degree

2388
1:59:28 --> 1:59:31
it could actually be a key to the solution set,

2389
1:59:31 --> 1:59:36
but also whether or not it not coming up today was in fact,

2390
1:59:36 --> 1:59:41
in part, an agent with paranormal communication mechanisms

2391
1:59:42 --> 1:59:45
attempting to block you from talking about it.

2392
1:59:45 --> 1:59:50
So in your bio, you described the Angel Coalition

2393
1:59:50 --> 1:59:54
and how that went forward to save 70,000 children

2394
1:59:54 --> 1:59:56
in Russian trafficking.

2395
1:59:56 --> 2:00:01
And that you're now looking to start the angels over America

2396
2:00:02 --> 2:00:05
to presumably try to do the same thing

2397
2:00:05 --> 2:00:09
with the over 100,000 children that are trafficked

2398
2:00:09 --> 2:00:10
across the US every year.

2399
2:00:12 --> 2:00:15
Could you describe more around that approach

2400
2:00:15 --> 2:00:18
and other people you're working with to move that forward?

2401
2:00:18 --> 2:00:21
Because that's the kind of thing that I think can encourage

2402
2:00:21 --> 2:00:23
people that are sitting on a sideline and kind of watching,

2403
2:00:23 --> 2:00:26
not getting involved to know that all the children

2404
2:00:26 --> 2:00:31
around them are being attacked, killed and tortured

2405
2:00:31 --> 2:00:33
with sexual trafficking.

2406
2:00:34 --> 2:00:38
Yes, and RFK Jr. just announced that they're gonna go trace

2407
2:00:38 --> 2:00:43
down the 300,000 that were brought into the United States

2408
2:00:43 --> 2:00:44
and disappeared last year.

2409
2:00:44 --> 2:00:46
So these are trafficked into the United States.

2410
2:00:46 --> 2:00:51
We don't even know where from, but this is for me,

2411
2:00:51 --> 2:00:53
this is the key question.

2412
2:00:54 --> 2:00:56
Since I've been back in the United States since 2010

2413
2:00:56 --> 2:00:59
and trying to raise awareness of child trafficking,

2414
2:00:59 --> 2:01:03
trying to get the same kind of motion going

2415
2:01:03 --> 2:01:06
that I was able to do in Russia, it's dead.

2416
2:01:06 --> 2:01:07
There is nothing here.

2417
2:01:07 --> 2:01:08
There's no energy about it.

2418
2:01:08 --> 2:01:09
There's no response.

2419
2:01:09 --> 2:01:11
Government doesn't care.

2420
2:01:12 --> 2:01:14
Law enforcement just threatens me.

2421
2:01:17 --> 2:01:20
Which is why I dug into my own memories and wrote

2422
2:01:20 --> 2:01:23
the painful stories of my own experience

2423
2:01:23 --> 2:01:26
to try and get this out.

2424
2:01:26 --> 2:01:27
But it's mind control.

2425
2:01:27 --> 2:01:29
The whole country is mind controlled.

2426
2:01:29 --> 2:01:34
There's no reason that a population would accept

2427
2:01:34 --> 2:01:37
the extinction pressures on its own children.

2428
2:01:37 --> 2:01:40
I mean, this celebrating abortion,

2429
2:01:40 --> 2:01:44
celebrating pedophilia, celebrating,

2430
2:01:44 --> 2:01:46
I mean, the United Nations has already passed

2431
2:01:47 --> 2:01:51
a resolution in the International, the ICJ,

2432
2:01:51 --> 2:01:53
International Court of Justice,

2433
2:01:53 --> 2:01:57
to make pedophiles a protected population.

2434
2:01:57 --> 2:02:00
So that if the United States and Congress

2435
2:02:00 --> 2:02:04
is considering legislation that would make it illegal

2436
2:02:04 --> 2:02:07
to prosecute pedophiles or even mention them.

2437
2:02:07 --> 2:02:12
So we are that far to promoting our own extinction

2438
2:02:13 --> 2:02:16
by ignoring this problem that as you said,

2439
2:02:16 --> 2:02:19
100,000 of our children are being trafficked

2440
2:02:19 --> 2:02:21
and taken into programs and abused

2441
2:02:21 --> 2:02:24
and turned into adrenochrome and all these awful things.

2442
2:02:24 --> 2:02:27
And 300,000 foreign children are being brought in.

2443
2:02:27 --> 2:02:32
So I mean, we're turning into a sacrificial machine

2444
2:02:32 --> 2:02:35
to destroy our own species.

2445
2:02:35 --> 2:02:38
This is terribly, terribly wrong.

2446
2:02:40 --> 2:02:43
I didn't understand it until COVID,

2447
2:02:43 --> 2:02:48
until the entire population bought this ridiculous vaccine

2448
2:02:49 --> 2:02:54
and it just, and the science is out there,

2449
2:02:54 --> 2:02:57
the information is out there that in the 1970s,

2450
2:02:57 --> 2:03:00
medicine rejected mRNA is unreliable,

2451
2:03:00 --> 2:03:03
dangerous and only good for bio weapons.

2452
2:03:03 --> 2:03:04
That's all out there.

2453
2:03:04 --> 2:03:06
I mean, anybody can find that.

2454
2:03:06 --> 2:03:08
So why?

2455
2:03:08 --> 2:03:11
Because we are mind controlled.

2456
2:03:13 --> 2:03:15
Beautiful, thank you, Glenn.

2457
2:03:15 --> 2:03:18
Could I just tell her about the group

2458
2:03:18 --> 2:03:19
that's launching tomorrow?

2459
2:03:20 --> 2:03:24
So there's a group going through five cities in May.

2460
2:03:25 --> 2:03:29
Their program name is MaydayUSA.co.

2461
2:03:30 --> 2:03:33
Their first launch point is tomorrow in New York City,

2462
2:03:33 --> 2:03:35
then Miami, Houston, Seattle,

2463
2:03:35 --> 2:03:40
and it ends up on May 31st in LA, Hollywood Boulevard.

2464
2:03:41 --> 2:03:42
The center of all of it.

2465
2:03:42 --> 2:03:45
So if that program could really get ramped up

2466
2:03:45 --> 2:03:49
and including you in with it would be tremendous.

2467
2:03:49 --> 2:03:50
Thank you.

2468
2:03:50 --> 2:03:52
Yes, please stay in touch with me

2469
2:03:52 --> 2:03:55
and also you should be connected with New California

2470
2:03:55 --> 2:03:56
if you're not.

2471
2:03:58 --> 2:04:00
I'm not, thank you.

2472
2:04:00 --> 2:04:03
So Glenn, can you put that link into the chat, please?

2473
2:04:03 --> 2:04:04
Yes, I'll do it right now.

2474
2:04:07 --> 2:04:09
All right, and Juliet, have you been able to get

2475
2:04:09 --> 2:04:11
all right and Juliet, have you put your,

2476
2:04:11 --> 2:04:13
you're happy for your email to be in the chat

2477
2:04:13 --> 2:04:15
so people can contact you with suggestions

2478
2:04:15 --> 2:04:16
and the like, I'm sure.

2479
2:04:16 --> 2:04:19
Yes, I put it in there and I'd be glad to do

2480
2:04:19 --> 2:04:21
interviews and talk about this

2481
2:04:21 --> 2:04:25
because I think it is the issue of our time.

2482
2:04:25 --> 2:04:28
Charles, I think it's worth drawing attention

2483
2:04:28 --> 2:04:30
to what Juliet said then.

2484
2:04:31 --> 2:04:34
And I agree with her, I didn't understand it.

2485
2:04:34 --> 2:04:37
She meant mind control until COVID.

2486
2:04:38 --> 2:04:40
COVID was a mind control operation.

2487
2:04:40 --> 2:04:45
Absolutely, so we discovered that through Jason Kristoff

2488
2:04:45 --> 2:04:50
and others, Mathias Desmet and David Sherall-Ambus

2489
2:04:50 --> 2:04:55
in London, but we didn't know, I didn't know the detail,

2490
2:04:55 --> 2:04:58
the MKUltra and I don't think many other people did.

2491
2:04:58 --> 2:05:01
So we did have somebody talking about mind control,

2492
2:05:01 --> 2:05:04
but they didn't know much about MKUltra.

2493
2:05:04 --> 2:05:07
And that's the importance of your testimony

2494
2:05:07 --> 2:05:09
and Cathy's testimony, Juliet.

2495
2:05:10 --> 2:05:12
And in different ways, you're both very good

2496
2:05:12 --> 2:05:14
at explaining things.

2497
2:05:15 --> 2:05:20
All right, Sebastian, then Jim, then Stephen.

2498
2:05:20 --> 2:05:23
Yeah, Juliet, I have two quick questions.

2499
2:05:23 --> 2:05:27
There is a documentary out on one of the streaming services

2500
2:05:27 --> 2:05:32
about Frank Olson, his son is actually in this series.

2501
2:05:33 --> 2:05:37
Did you ever get to hear about that story, meet him,

2502
2:05:37 --> 2:05:41
or were you ever confronted by him?

2503
2:05:41 --> 2:05:45
Well, he was an adult when I was like a teenager,

2504
2:05:45 --> 2:05:48
but his story is actually covered

2505
2:05:48 --> 2:05:51
in the National Archive documents

2506
2:05:51 --> 2:05:54
because he was the death they couldn't hide.

2507
2:05:54 --> 2:05:56
Killing children, they could hide that, killing,

2508
2:05:56 --> 2:06:00
especially immigrant children that were brought in.

2509
2:06:00 --> 2:06:03
Oh, and something that's really interesting here

2510
2:06:03 --> 2:06:08
is that in the mid 19th or the early 1960s,

2511
2:06:08 --> 2:06:10
someone wrote a note to someone else,

2512
2:06:10 --> 2:06:15
I think it was George Hunter writing to his superiors

2513
2:06:16 --> 2:06:19
in the CIA that they had to stop, they had to think about,

2514
2:06:19 --> 2:06:23
they were killing too many American citizens

2515
2:06:23 --> 2:06:26
and damaging too many American citizens.

2516
2:06:26 --> 2:06:27
He said, sooner or later,

2517
2:06:27 --> 2:06:29
some of these kids are gonna grow up in Suez

2518
2:06:30 --> 2:06:32
because like people like me,

2519
2:06:32 --> 2:06:35
we have rights under the Bill of Rights,

2520
2:06:35 --> 2:06:39
but foreign children brought in have no rights.

2521
2:06:39 --> 2:06:42
So in the 1960s, early 1960s is when they started

2522
2:06:42 --> 2:06:45
bringing in kids from all over the world.

2523
2:06:45 --> 2:06:50
And when I had to participate in snuff films

2524
2:06:50 --> 2:06:55
and other Saturn alias and other sacrificial episodes,

2525
2:06:57 --> 2:07:01
and by the way, the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony,

2526
2:07:01 --> 2:07:02
there's the Saturnalia.

2527
2:07:02 --> 2:07:05
So if you can watch that, that's what that was.

2528
2:07:05 --> 2:07:08
And anyway, but they killed children,

2529
2:07:08 --> 2:07:11
but they didn't kill American children anymore.

2530
2:07:12 --> 2:07:15
So, because we could grow up in Suez.

2531
2:07:16 --> 2:07:18
And my other question is you mentioned,

2532
2:07:18 --> 2:07:21
or one of you mentioned that there were rituals

2533
2:07:21 --> 2:07:22
in the book Mein Kampf.

2534
2:07:23 --> 2:07:28
Do you know by any chance what passage that would be?

2535
2:07:28 --> 2:07:32
And what type of rituals were these?

2536
2:07:32 --> 2:07:36
These were long studied rituals

2537
2:07:36 --> 2:07:41
that were sort of the basis for the Nazi ideology,

2538
2:07:43 --> 2:07:48
the belief that they could create God as a man, as a God,

2539
2:07:48 --> 2:07:50
as a man as a God,

2540
2:07:51 --> 2:07:55
that it was possible to defeat God and take over.

2541
2:07:56 --> 2:08:01
But as an adult, I haven't seen a copy of the book.

2542
2:08:01 --> 2:08:03
I can't find a copy of the book.

2543
2:08:03 --> 2:08:08
I know that the copy that was translated into English by,

2544
2:08:09 --> 2:08:12
yes, but that won't be the full book.

2545
2:08:12 --> 2:08:14
See how many words are in that.

2546
2:08:14 --> 2:08:16
Can you read German?

2547
2:08:16 --> 2:08:18
No, no, I can't.

2548
2:08:18 --> 2:08:20
I can read Russian, but I can't read German.

2549
2:08:20 --> 2:08:24
And even the German copies,

2550
2:08:24 --> 2:08:27
I've looked at copies that cost up to $1,200

2551
2:08:27 --> 2:08:30
and they still aren't the full size of the book.

2552
2:08:30 --> 2:08:33
And that was what the lawsuit was based on

2553
2:08:33 --> 2:08:36
when Hitler sued Cranston,

2554
2:08:36 --> 2:08:40
when he translated incorrectly what Hitler had written,

2555
2:08:40 --> 2:08:43
he left out 200,000 words.

2556
2:08:44 --> 2:08:49
So I can't find anyone that has a,

2557
2:08:50 --> 2:08:52
we don't have the real book

2558
2:08:52 --> 2:08:53
and maybe we shouldn't have it.

2559
2:08:53 --> 2:08:56
Maybe we shouldn't ever read these things

2560
2:08:56 --> 2:08:58
and study these things.

2561
2:08:58 --> 2:09:01
Because from what I remember on the beach,

2562
2:09:01 --> 2:09:04
although I was a child and drugged,

2563
2:09:06 --> 2:09:08
there was some pretty scary stuff

2564
2:09:08 --> 2:09:12
and involved communicating extra dimensionally

2565
2:09:12 --> 2:09:14
and extraterrestrially.

2566
2:09:14 --> 2:09:17
And whether it was real or not, I can't say, I don't know.

2567
2:09:19 --> 2:09:20
They believed in us.

2568
2:09:21 --> 2:09:22
Sebastian, do you have a second question?

2569
2:09:22 --> 2:09:24
Was that it?

2570
2:09:24 --> 2:09:25
That was the second question, thanks Charles.

2571
2:09:25 --> 2:09:28
Yeah, thank you, Sebastian.

2572
2:09:28 --> 2:09:29
All right, Jim then Stephen.

2573
2:09:30 --> 2:09:32
Hey, thank you.

2574
2:09:32 --> 2:09:34
The same question that I asked before about

2575
2:09:37 --> 2:09:41
the parasites as a mind control and antidotes,

2576
2:09:41 --> 2:09:46
the HIV moiety GP120

2577
2:09:46 --> 2:09:49
is inside the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.

2578
2:09:49 --> 2:09:53
So it only comes alive if the ACE2 attaches

2579
2:09:53 --> 2:09:57
and dissociates in the wild type allegedly,

2580
2:09:57 --> 2:09:59
and possibly in the plasmids.

2581
2:09:59 --> 2:10:02
So this is, it certainly looks like it's

2582
2:10:03 --> 2:10:08
mind control via the shots and then parasite activation,

2583
2:10:09 --> 2:10:12
parasite anti-parasitic hydroxychloroquine,

2584
2:10:12 --> 2:10:16
anti-parasitic ivermectin, anti-parasitic melatonin,

2585
2:10:16 --> 2:10:20
anti-parasitic nitrozoxanide, all blocked from use.

2586
2:10:22 --> 2:10:24
What are your thoughts on the real treatments

2587
2:10:24 --> 2:10:29
for these mind control mechanisms as a physician?

2588
2:10:30 --> 2:10:33
And do you have any idea what they were actually using

2589
2:10:33 --> 2:10:36
in Ms. O'Brien to prevent her from getting HIV

2590
2:10:36 --> 2:10:37
and things like that?

2591
2:10:38 --> 2:10:41
No, but I don't.

2592
2:10:41 --> 2:10:46
And the only way we can do that is to subpoena DARPA.

2593
2:10:47 --> 2:10:49
They know all this.

2594
2:10:49 --> 2:10:50
They have this information.

2595
2:10:50 --> 2:10:51
I live about three miles

2596
2:10:51 --> 2:10:54
from the National Institutes of Health.

2597
2:10:54 --> 2:10:59
It's a huge complex on like two acres, multiple buildings,

2598
2:10:59 --> 2:11:01
all of these centers completely blocked off.

2599
2:11:01 --> 2:11:02
You can't get in there.

2600
2:11:02 --> 2:11:07
You can't, it's an entity unto itself.

2601
2:11:08 --> 2:11:11
And if you could get in there,

2602
2:11:11 --> 2:11:14
you could access their computer logs

2603
2:11:14 --> 2:11:15
and get this information.

2604
2:11:15 --> 2:11:16
They have it.

2605
2:11:16 --> 2:11:18
They don't want us to have it.

2606
2:11:18 --> 2:11:19
And-

2607
2:11:19 --> 2:11:24
What about DTRA, Defense Threat Reduction Agency?

2608
2:11:24 --> 2:11:25
Do you know anything about that

2609
2:11:25 --> 2:11:27
and their supercomputer systems?

2610
2:11:28 --> 2:11:29
They exist, yes.

2611
2:11:29 --> 2:11:34
And so the information is at their fingertips.

2612
2:11:34 --> 2:11:39
So, and that's another exciting thing about this archive

2613
2:11:40 --> 2:11:43
because it's the first time there's been an admission

2614
2:11:43 --> 2:11:45
that these things even happened.

2615
2:11:45 --> 2:11:49
So, you know, I'm not a lawyer.

2616
2:11:49 --> 2:11:52
I'm not familiar with what rights, you know,

2617
2:11:52 --> 2:11:53
we have to get this information

2618
2:11:53 --> 2:11:56
because they would in the past just simply deny it.

2619
2:11:56 --> 2:11:58
Now you can't.

2620
2:11:58 --> 2:12:00
You can't deny that this happened

2621
2:12:00 --> 2:12:01
and that these people were doing these things

2622
2:12:01 --> 2:12:05
and that we need to know more about it.

2623
2:12:05 --> 2:12:08
And have you worked with Warner Mendenhall, Todd Callender,

2624
2:12:08 --> 2:12:10
or some of the other lawyers in terms of telling them

2625
2:12:10 --> 2:12:12
what questions they need to ask

2626
2:12:12 --> 2:12:13
and who they need to subpoena,

2627
2:12:13 --> 2:12:16
especially for these lawsuits that are going forward

2628
2:12:16 --> 2:12:20
because they seem to be being blocked as well.

2629
2:12:22 --> 2:12:23
What are your thoughts on working with these lawyers?

2630
2:12:23 --> 2:12:24
What have you done so far?

2631
2:12:24 --> 2:12:26
What would you like to do?

2632
2:12:26 --> 2:12:30
Well, I'm just about to meet Todd Callender.

2633
2:12:30 --> 2:12:34
So we'll start talking about it.

2634
2:12:34 --> 2:12:36
As I said, I didn't know about these documents

2635
2:12:36 --> 2:12:37
until two months ago.

2636
2:12:37 --> 2:12:40
And it's very hard for me to read through them.

2637
2:12:40 --> 2:12:44
I'm very slow and it keeps, you know,

2638
2:12:44 --> 2:12:46
dredging up my own experiences.

2639
2:12:46 --> 2:12:48
So it's a real chore to get through them.

2640
2:12:49 --> 2:12:52
But I understand the significance.

2641
2:12:52 --> 2:12:53
I know what it means.

2642
2:12:53 --> 2:12:57
And yeah, I'll be talking to everybody I can.

2643
2:12:58 --> 2:13:00
And getting out, and you mentioned names of people

2644
2:13:00 --> 2:13:03
getting out of the program and then helping others

2645
2:13:03 --> 2:13:04
like Catherine Austin Fitz.

2646
2:13:05 --> 2:13:08
How does one get out of the, I guess you just leave,

2647
2:13:08 --> 2:13:10
you walk out, how do you survive?

2648
2:13:10 --> 2:13:12
And how do we get other people out of the program

2649
2:13:12 --> 2:13:15
and then get information from them?

2650
2:13:15 --> 2:13:18
I think people are starting to realize

2651
2:13:18 --> 2:13:19
I'm getting contacted all the time

2652
2:13:19 --> 2:13:21
by people who can't remember their childhood.

2653
2:13:21 --> 2:13:24
There's your clue number one.

2654
2:13:25 --> 2:13:28
And are people who are just starting to remember things

2655
2:13:28 --> 2:13:30
that are just so bizarre, they think they're going mad.

2656
2:13:30 --> 2:13:33
And so I always tell them, you know,

2657
2:13:35 --> 2:13:38
what's coming is gonna affect every aspect of your life

2658
2:13:38 --> 2:13:39
and everyone around you.

2659
2:13:39 --> 2:13:43
So you need to be extremely protective of yourself

2660
2:13:43 --> 2:13:46
and have a good support group around you.

2661
2:13:46 --> 2:13:48
Otherwise you just come completely unglued

2662
2:13:48 --> 2:13:53
because there is a suicide program written into this.

2663
2:13:53 --> 2:13:57
Anyone that starts to remember triggers the suicide program.

2664
2:13:57 --> 2:13:58
And I nearly did it.

2665
2:13:58 --> 2:14:03
And I think that many, many people do.

2666
2:14:03 --> 2:14:05
And I think the 27 Club, you know,

2667
2:14:05 --> 2:14:08
where all these singers and entertainers

2668
2:14:08 --> 2:14:10
commit suicide at the age of 27.

2669
2:14:10 --> 2:14:12
I mean, I was triggered at 27.

2670
2:14:12 --> 2:14:14
I'd been out of the program for 10 years,

2671
2:14:14 --> 2:14:16
but suddenly I started having, you know,

2672
2:14:17 --> 2:14:19
the urge to commit suicide

2673
2:14:19 --> 2:14:23
and having these strange dreams and memories

2674
2:14:23 --> 2:14:25
of what they call the freedom train.

2675
2:14:27 --> 2:14:29
And so it's in there.

2676
2:14:29 --> 2:14:32
So people that start to come out of it have to be aware

2677
2:14:32 --> 2:14:34
that they're gonna be at high risk of suicide

2678
2:14:34 --> 2:14:38
for unexplained reasons or other behaviors.

2679
2:14:38 --> 2:14:40
Like if they were trained as assassins,

2680
2:14:40 --> 2:14:42
it might trigger that.

2681
2:14:42 --> 2:14:45
So getting people out of it

2682
2:14:45 --> 2:14:49
is gonna be extremely difficult.

2683
2:14:51 --> 2:14:56
Suicide, specifically the issue of increased suicide

2684
2:14:56 --> 2:14:58
due to toxoplasmosis.

2685
2:14:58 --> 2:15:02
Documented numerous documentation

2686
2:15:02 --> 2:15:04
about toxoplasmosis causing suicide.

2687
2:15:04 --> 2:15:05
The antidote, you're a physician,

2688
2:15:05 --> 2:15:08
the antidote to toxoplasmosis is called,

2689
2:15:08 --> 2:15:12
one of them is called daraprim, pyrimethamine.

2690
2:15:12 --> 2:15:15
Daraprim Pharma Bro, Martin Shkreli

2691
2:15:15 --> 2:15:18
took the price of daraprim up to $750 a pill.

2692
2:15:18 --> 2:15:19
Remember that?

2693
2:15:19 --> 2:15:21
That's for toxo.

2694
2:15:21 --> 2:15:23
He went to jail, but the toxoplasmosis medication

2695
2:15:23 --> 2:15:26
still remains up at $750 a pill.

2696
2:15:26 --> 2:15:28
That seems to be an intelligence operation

2697
2:15:28 --> 2:15:30
to keep the price of this,

2698
2:15:30 --> 2:15:34
one of the antidotes for this mind control parasite,

2699
2:15:34 --> 2:15:37
toxoplasmosis high, and then preventing us

2700
2:15:37 --> 2:15:41
from getting the next best is nidazoxanide, it seems,

2701
2:15:41 --> 2:15:44
which the price of that is actually $1,000 as well

2702
2:15:44 --> 2:15:46
per six pills.

2703
2:15:46 --> 2:15:49
Anyway, thoughts on that and thoughts on,

2704
2:15:49 --> 2:15:51
have you ever used it and have you ever used it successfully

2705
2:15:51 --> 2:15:54
on undoing the suicidality

2706
2:15:54 --> 2:15:56
through an MK-Ultra program, D-Tenney?

2707
2:15:57 --> 2:16:01
No, I was in Russia working with an underground railroad

2708
2:16:01 --> 2:16:03
and doing anti-trafficking work,

2709
2:16:03 --> 2:16:07
so I have not done the medical aspects of any of this.

2710
2:16:07 --> 2:16:11
I think the Pharma Bro guy was definitely an MK-Ultra plant,

2711
2:16:11 --> 2:16:16
and I think his whole scheme was deliberate.

2712
2:16:16 --> 2:16:19
I noticed that he wasn't in jail for more than a few months,

2713
2:16:19 --> 2:16:22
so I wonder if he's in the Plum Book.

2714
2:16:22 --> 2:16:24
And I'll make the observation, Jim,

2715
2:16:24 --> 2:16:28
Jim, you're ignoring what Cathy said, okay?

2716
2:16:30 --> 2:16:33
Soul is greater than genetics.

2717
2:16:33 --> 2:16:37
Therefore, soul is greater than all of this toxicity.

2718
2:16:37 --> 2:16:38
True.

2719
2:16:38 --> 2:16:40
So don't discount that.

2720
2:16:40 --> 2:16:42
I don't buy anything from anybody in this room.

2721
2:16:42 --> 2:16:44
No, I don't, but as a physician,

2722
2:16:44 --> 2:16:49
one of the things people rely on is medication appropriately.

2723
2:16:49 --> 2:16:50
No, as a physician.

2724
2:16:50 --> 2:16:53
See, you're now reverting back to say,

2725
2:16:53 --> 2:16:55
oh, there's only one way to do this.

2726
2:16:55 --> 2:16:58
Michelle Perrow mentioned links in here for homeopathics.

2727
2:16:58 --> 2:17:00
Soul is greater than genetics.

2728
2:17:00 --> 2:17:03
Therefore, it's greater than all toxicity.

2729
2:17:04 --> 2:17:07
Okay, let's go to, let's thank, but great point to raise,

2730
2:17:07 --> 2:17:10
and one of the things I take, I've been talking about,

2731
2:17:10 --> 2:17:13
I take large quantities of vitamin C to help my body.

2732
2:17:13 --> 2:17:16
If I could access my soul's ability,

2733
2:17:16 --> 2:17:18
I wouldn't need any of this vitamin C.

2734
2:17:18 --> 2:17:19
All right, let's go to Stephen,

2735
2:17:19 --> 2:17:21
because we've only got 10 minutes left.

2736
2:17:22 --> 2:17:27
So, Julia, thank you so much for speaking to us tonight,

2737
2:17:27 --> 2:17:30
and I can hear the pain in your voice sometimes.

2738
2:17:31 --> 2:17:34
And Cathy, you said you thought

2739
2:17:34 --> 2:17:38
had processed things better than you,

2740
2:17:38 --> 2:17:40
and maybe that's reflected in your testimony,

2741
2:17:40 --> 2:17:44
because your testimony is kind of, as I see it anyway,

2742
2:17:44 --> 2:17:48
the raw memories, and I think her testimony,

2743
2:17:51 --> 2:17:53
is possibly the kind of testimony you gave

2744
2:17:53 --> 2:17:58
after you've been deprogrammed, or, you know,

2745
2:17:58 --> 2:18:00
had treatments, extensive treatments,

2746
2:18:00 --> 2:18:03
which has worked in the sense

2747
2:18:03 --> 2:18:07
that she feels a lot better than she did, I think.

2748
2:18:07 --> 2:18:10
But I do understand what, I think Dave Colum was talking,

2749
2:18:10 --> 2:18:14
so he's a professor of chemistry at the Naive League University,

2750
2:18:14 --> 2:18:16
and I think that he was talking about

2751
2:18:17 --> 2:18:20
memories and perceptions.

2752
2:18:20 --> 2:18:23
So perceptions are not quite the same as memories,

2753
2:18:23 --> 2:18:25
as I understand it. Is that what you're saying, Dave?

2754
2:18:29 --> 2:18:32
I'm not sure what I'm saying, because I,

2755
2:18:32 --> 2:18:35
what the phrase I once heard is that we reach a point

2756
2:18:35 --> 2:18:37
where we remember memories.

2757
2:18:38 --> 2:18:43
And so, I have this vivid memory,

2758
2:18:43 --> 2:18:45
and I'm speaking of a normal person.

2759
2:18:45 --> 2:18:47
I'm speaking of a person who hasn't been through trauma.

2760
2:18:47 --> 2:18:49
I don't understand the trauma world at all.

2761
2:18:50 --> 2:18:52
But the neuropsychologists say that it's,

2762
2:18:53 --> 2:18:56
that memories do get distorted with time,

2763
2:18:56 --> 2:18:59
and I was sort of trying to get at the point of

2764
2:18:59 --> 2:19:03
retrieving memories that have been really blocked out,

2765
2:19:03 --> 2:19:04
must be a whole different world.

2766
2:19:04 --> 2:19:06
And I think you were making the point that

2767
2:19:06 --> 2:19:11
Cathy was using language, which, yeah, okay.

2768
2:19:12 --> 2:19:13
So you can hear it.

2769
2:19:13 --> 2:19:15
So let's say you start having these memories,

2770
2:19:15 --> 2:19:19
and you start digging into why.

2771
2:19:19 --> 2:19:21
It turns out you put your memories

2772
2:19:21 --> 2:19:23
into this intellectual framework.

2773
2:19:23 --> 2:19:26
Absolutely, that's what I understood you were saying.

2774
2:19:26 --> 2:19:28
And so then you're at the risk of,

2775
2:19:28 --> 2:19:32
you're at risk of the framework dictating

2776
2:19:34 --> 2:19:35
the memory if you're not careful.

2777
2:19:35 --> 2:19:36
I understand that.

2778
2:19:36 --> 2:19:37
Yes, I understand.

2779
2:19:37 --> 2:19:42
The way it happens is that when you break down that,

2780
2:19:42 --> 2:19:45
you'll start seeing like hints when,

2781
2:19:45 --> 2:19:49
after I talked to JJ in that interview, that long interview,

2782
2:19:50 --> 2:19:52
I was already, while I was sitting there talking to him,

2783
2:19:52 --> 2:19:54
I was starting to see the beach at Rosarita.

2784
2:19:54 --> 2:19:58
I was starting to remember being naked on the beach

2785
2:19:58 --> 2:20:02
and all the color of, I got very, very dark.

2786
2:20:02 --> 2:20:04
My hair was all matted with salt.

2787
2:20:04 --> 2:20:06
They actually had to shave it off eventually.

2788
2:20:06 --> 2:20:10
And then when my parents came to pick me up,

2789
2:20:10 --> 2:20:12
because they dropped me off,

2790
2:20:12 --> 2:20:13
left me there for two weeks to a month,

2791
2:20:13 --> 2:20:17
I don't know how long, and they took me back to California.

2792
2:20:17 --> 2:20:20
I was dressed white people in a car with a little kid

2793
2:20:20 --> 2:20:22
who's naked and looks like a Mexican.

2794
2:20:22 --> 2:20:25
And that's what I remembered.

2795
2:20:25 --> 2:20:30
I remembered my fear of the only clothes I had on.

2796
2:20:30 --> 2:20:31
I had on my father's shirt.

2797
2:20:31 --> 2:20:33
So he didn't have a shirt.

2798
2:20:33 --> 2:20:35
So he was driving without a shirt

2799
2:20:35 --> 2:20:38
and they took me across the border.

2800
2:20:38 --> 2:20:41
And of course, we were stopped by border control

2801
2:20:41 --> 2:20:43
and the border patrol guy looked at me and said,

2802
2:20:43 --> 2:20:43
who's that?

2803
2:20:44 --> 2:20:46
And my father turned around and looked at me

2804
2:20:46 --> 2:20:50
like he had never seen me before in his life.

2805
2:20:50 --> 2:20:52
Neither one of my parents could remember my name

2806
2:20:52 --> 2:20:55
or my birthday or anything about me.

2807
2:20:57 --> 2:21:00
So I remember that horrifying moment

2808
2:21:00 --> 2:21:03
when I realized that they might just leave me there.

2809
2:21:05 --> 2:21:07
And that's when almost,

2810
2:21:07 --> 2:21:09
I think that's the moment I became an adult

2811
2:21:09 --> 2:21:12
because I started talking like an adult.

2812
2:21:12 --> 2:21:14
I identified myself.

2813
2:21:14 --> 2:21:15
I gave my birthday.

2814
2:21:15 --> 2:21:16
I gave their birthdays.

2815
2:21:16 --> 2:21:19
I gave our, I just talked my way out of it

2816
2:21:19 --> 2:21:21
and they took my parents out of the car.

2817
2:21:21 --> 2:21:26
So I had that memory, but the rest of it

2818
2:21:26 --> 2:21:29
as to why I was there, who I'd been with

2819
2:21:29 --> 2:21:32
or who those people were or what that book was,

2820
2:21:32 --> 2:21:35
that came when I got that visceral,

2821
2:21:37 --> 2:21:40
horrible memory of being stuck at the border

2822
2:21:40 --> 2:21:42
and thinking they were gonna leave me there.

2823
2:21:42 --> 2:21:45
So that was a memory.

2824
2:21:45 --> 2:21:49
So and assembling the name of the book

2825
2:21:49 --> 2:21:51
or who the people's names were,

2826
2:21:51 --> 2:21:54
I remember the people, but it took,

2827
2:21:54 --> 2:21:57
that takes some construction.

2828
2:21:57 --> 2:22:01
So you have to start digging and constructing

2829
2:22:01 --> 2:22:05
and who was there, what was the name of the place and that.

2830
2:22:05 --> 2:22:07
So there's both going on.

2831
2:22:07 --> 2:22:08
Does that answer the question?

2832
2:22:08 --> 2:22:10
Well, it kind of does.

2833
2:22:10 --> 2:22:15
Actually, Annika Lucas did a podcast with Patrick Bette David

2834
2:22:15 --> 2:22:19
and she was handled by David Rockefeller,

2835
2:22:19 --> 2:22:21
but it never said so.

2836
2:22:21 --> 2:22:24
And Patrick Bette David somehow pieced together

2837
2:22:24 --> 2:22:28
that conclusion and pressured her.

2838
2:22:28 --> 2:22:30
And she got very upset

2839
2:22:30 --> 2:22:31
because she didn't wanna say the name

2840
2:22:31 --> 2:22:33
and then she said the name

2841
2:22:33 --> 2:22:36
and you could see it was really distressing for her.

2842
2:22:36 --> 2:22:40
But in her narrative, she also talked about

2843
2:22:40 --> 2:22:42
how she didn't know who it was,

2844
2:22:42 --> 2:22:45
but she was surrounded by Rockefeller

2845
2:22:45 --> 2:22:47
and his servants and everything.

2846
2:22:47 --> 2:22:49
And I was having trouble picturing

2847
2:22:49 --> 2:22:53
how you would exist so much with David Rockefeller

2848
2:22:53 --> 2:22:56
and not know his name was David Rockefeller.

2849
2:22:56 --> 2:22:58
That was the thing I do.

2850
2:22:59 --> 2:23:00
Okay, that's what I'm,

2851
2:23:00 --> 2:23:02
I'm just trying to understand how the memory works.

2852
2:23:02 --> 2:23:07
So I'm just, it's an interesting neuropsychological problem

2853
2:23:07 --> 2:23:11
is how we retrieve and things like that.

2854
2:23:11 --> 2:23:12
Well, if she was told repeatedly,

2855
2:23:12 --> 2:23:14
if she ever said his name, she'd be killed

2856
2:23:14 --> 2:23:17
or family would be killed, she'd be tortured.

2857
2:23:17 --> 2:23:19
You could block that very specifically,

2858
2:23:19 --> 2:23:23
but you can't block the memory of large forms around you.

2859
2:23:23 --> 2:23:24
Right, right.

2860
2:23:24 --> 2:23:25
And so I could get to that,

2861
2:23:25 --> 2:23:28
but then getting to the specifics.

2862
2:23:28 --> 2:23:30
Juliet, when you were coming back from Mexico

2863
2:23:30 --> 2:23:31
with your parents,

2864
2:23:32 --> 2:23:33
three weeks after they left you on the beach,

2865
2:23:33 --> 2:23:35
is that correct?

2866
2:23:35 --> 2:23:37
Or in Mexico, you were coming back

2867
2:23:37 --> 2:23:39
and you got to border control

2868
2:23:39 --> 2:23:42
and the border control people said, who's that?

2869
2:23:42 --> 2:23:44
You were looking like a Mexican

2870
2:23:44 --> 2:23:47
because you'd been on the beach for three weeks

2871
2:23:47 --> 2:23:48
as I understand it.

2872
2:23:48 --> 2:23:51
And your parents presumably didn't look Mexican.

2873
2:23:51 --> 2:23:54
So the, how did your parents answer that question?

2874
2:23:54 --> 2:23:55
How did your father, he didn't.

2875
2:23:55 --> 2:23:57
He didn't.

2876
2:23:57 --> 2:24:00
He like pretended he'd never seen me before in his life.

2877
2:24:00 --> 2:24:02
Well, why would he do that?

2878
2:24:02 --> 2:24:04
Because then, okay.

2879
2:24:04 --> 2:24:08
So how did the border agent let you into America then?

2880
2:24:09 --> 2:24:11
I identified myself, I identified them,

2881
2:24:11 --> 2:24:13
I identified our address.

2882
2:24:15 --> 2:24:16
I was seven years old,

2883
2:24:16 --> 2:24:19
but I was more mature than they were

2884
2:24:19 --> 2:24:21
in a lot of ways in my mind.

2885
2:24:21 --> 2:24:23
So if you're seven years old, Juliet,

2886
2:24:23 --> 2:24:25
and the border guard's asking your father

2887
2:24:25 --> 2:24:28
and he says he doesn't know who the seven year old girl

2888
2:24:28 --> 2:24:31
in the back of the car is wearing his shirt,

2889
2:24:31 --> 2:24:36
isn't that gonna get him into trouble in his mind?

2890
2:24:36 --> 2:24:37
They took him out of the car

2891
2:24:38 --> 2:24:40
and they took my mother out of the car.

2892
2:24:40 --> 2:24:41
They were gone for quite a while.

2893
2:24:42 --> 2:24:46
And then we were allowed to go back and that's all I know.

2894
2:24:46 --> 2:24:47
I imagine some phone calls were made.

2895
2:24:47 --> 2:24:50
And since I was in Mexico

2896
2:24:50 --> 2:24:54
with high level politicians from California,

2897
2:24:54 --> 2:24:57
I imagine some calls went through and...

2898
2:24:57 --> 2:24:58
And...

2899
2:24:58 --> 2:24:59
Very good.

2900
2:24:59 --> 2:25:02
Thank you so much for answering that question.

2901
2:25:02 --> 2:25:06
So I didn't, you said I didn't understand it,

2902
2:25:06 --> 2:25:08
i.e. the mind control until COVID.

2903
2:25:08 --> 2:25:12
Could you briefly explain what you meant by that?

2904
2:25:12 --> 2:25:15
Well, the whole COVID thing when it started,

2905
2:25:15 --> 2:25:17
I thought, well, this'll be nothing.

2906
2:25:20 --> 2:25:25
And the look people would get when even talking about it,

2907
2:25:26 --> 2:25:27
the sort of starry eyed look,

2908
2:25:27 --> 2:25:30
sort of like they used to get when talking about Obama,

2909
2:25:30 --> 2:25:35
you know, like, oh, you know, there's a difference.

2910
2:25:35 --> 2:25:38
They like switched into something else.

2911
2:25:38 --> 2:25:43
And when the vaccine started and it was based in mRNA,

2912
2:25:43 --> 2:25:46
and I explained to all my friends what mRNA was

2913
2:25:46 --> 2:25:48
and why you shouldn't take it and cytokine storms

2914
2:25:48 --> 2:25:52
and all these protein shedding and all these things that...

2915
2:25:52 --> 2:25:55
And I had all the literature and everything.

2916
2:25:55 --> 2:25:56
Nobody listened.

2917
2:25:56 --> 2:25:58
My own family wouldn't listen.

2918
2:25:58 --> 2:26:03
And it just grew on me

2919
2:26:03 --> 2:26:06
that clearly the entire population,

2920
2:26:06 --> 2:26:09
or at least everyone that has taken this vaccine,

2921
2:26:09 --> 2:26:11
is mind control.

2922
2:26:11 --> 2:26:14
They've been trained to do this.

2923
2:26:14 --> 2:26:16
They've been taught to do this.

2924
2:26:16 --> 2:26:17
They've been programmed to do this.

2925
2:26:17 --> 2:26:19
And they're killing themselves.

2926
2:26:19 --> 2:26:22
And that this is the genocide agenda.

2927
2:26:22 --> 2:26:23
It was clear to me.

2928
2:26:23 --> 2:26:28
And I realized I've got to remember my own MKL for training.

2929
2:26:28 --> 2:26:31
I've got to remember what they said and what they did.

2930
2:26:31 --> 2:26:33
And it was all about genocide.

2931
2:26:33 --> 2:26:35
From the beginning.

2932
2:26:35 --> 2:26:36
But the point is about that.

2933
2:26:36 --> 2:26:39
If they're mind controlled, Juliet,

2934
2:26:39 --> 2:26:43
you understand that actually they've lost their mind.

2935
2:26:43 --> 2:26:44
They've lost their soul.

2936
2:26:45 --> 2:26:48
And this is really important for people to understand

2937
2:26:48 --> 2:26:52
because the perpetrators have to be held to account

2938
2:26:52 --> 2:26:53
for what happened in 2020.

2939
2:26:53 --> 2:26:56
So my next question is the finishing question.

2940
2:26:56 --> 2:26:58
Does Trump know about this?

2941
2:26:58 --> 2:26:59
And if he doesn't know about it,

2942
2:26:59 --> 2:27:01
how can we get this to him?

2943
2:27:01 --> 2:27:03
But without giving too much away.

2944
2:27:05 --> 2:27:08
I don't know if he knows.

2945
2:27:08 --> 2:27:11
Sometimes he says one thing, he sounds like one thing.

2946
2:27:11 --> 2:27:13
And sometimes he says another.

2947
2:27:15 --> 2:27:17
Some people have told me they've talked to him about this,

2948
2:27:17 --> 2:27:19
but I don't know because I haven't.

2949
2:27:21 --> 2:27:22
Right.

2950
2:27:22 --> 2:27:23
I don't know.

2951
2:27:23 --> 2:27:28
I think that RFK might be the one actually to talk to.

2952
2:27:28 --> 2:27:29
That he might be more.

2953
2:27:29 --> 2:27:30
Hmm.

2954
2:27:31 --> 2:27:32
Yeah.

2955
2:27:32 --> 2:27:32
Because he's actually interested in the-

2956
2:27:32 --> 2:27:33
I think both.

2957
2:27:33 --> 2:27:35
The thing about Trump that's very interesting

2958
2:27:35 --> 2:27:38
is that nobody knows what's going on in his head

2959
2:27:38 --> 2:27:40
about anything.

2960
2:27:40 --> 2:27:41
And that's his big strength.

2961
2:27:41 --> 2:27:43
That's why he's a brilliant negotiator

2962
2:27:43 --> 2:27:47
and why he can do all these deals as he puts it.

2963
2:27:47 --> 2:27:49
I do believe that he's capable.

2964
2:27:49 --> 2:27:52
He's also very good at connecting with people.

2965
2:27:52 --> 2:27:57
He's extremely polite to people who are far,

2966
2:27:57 --> 2:27:59
obviously he's the president of the United States,

2967
2:28:00 --> 2:28:01
but far less powerful than him.

2968
2:28:01 --> 2:28:05
He's extremely polite and he knows how to be nice to people

2969
2:28:05 --> 2:28:07
and get on the right side of them.

2970
2:28:07 --> 2:28:09
And that's a real skill.

2971
2:28:09 --> 2:28:13
But he's also brilliant at not giving his,

2972
2:28:13 --> 2:28:14
what he knows away.

2973
2:28:14 --> 2:28:16
So you never know what he knows.

2974
2:28:16 --> 2:28:20
And that's also important because at the right time

2975
2:28:20 --> 2:28:21
he may speak out about anything

2976
2:28:21 --> 2:28:23
and that keeps people on their toes.

2977
2:28:23 --> 2:28:27
So I'm not saying that I expect him to save all of us,

2978
2:28:27 --> 2:28:29
he gives people hope around the world.

2979
2:28:29 --> 2:28:32
And at the moment I think he's authentic.

2980
2:28:32 --> 2:28:36
I haven't, he makes mistakes, but we all make mistakes.

2981
2:28:37 --> 2:28:42
He gets the MRNA wrong, the AI wrong, he gets Gaza wrong.

2982
2:28:43 --> 2:28:46
But overall he's done great things

2983
2:28:46 --> 2:28:50
and diversity and equity and inclusion is one of those.

2984
2:28:50 --> 2:28:52
And the trans thing is another.

2985
2:28:52 --> 2:28:55
I think that he would be open to hearing your testimony,

2986
2:28:55 --> 2:28:56
Juliette and Kathy's.

2987
2:28:57 --> 2:28:59
Well, I think one of the most positive things he's done

2988
2:28:59 --> 2:29:03
is end USAID because that's how they were funding all this.

2989
2:29:03 --> 2:29:04
Yes, I agree.

2990
2:29:04 --> 2:29:06
And maybe he knew that.

2991
2:29:06 --> 2:29:08
Yeah, of course he knew that.

2992
2:29:08 --> 2:29:11
That tells me he did know it because IOM is-

2993
2:29:11 --> 2:29:12
All right.

2994
2:29:13 --> 2:29:17
Our time is up and great question to close, Steven

2995
2:29:17 --> 2:29:22
and Juliette, thank you so much for being with us

2996
2:29:22 --> 2:29:23
for two and a half hours.

2997
2:29:23 --> 2:29:25
Again, I criticize you like I do,

2998
2:29:25 --> 2:29:27
many of my guests that you should have gone

2999
2:29:27 --> 2:29:29
to the toilet by now, so you're not drinking enough water.

3000
2:29:29 --> 2:29:32
So drink more water, okay?

3001
2:29:33 --> 2:29:37
And on behalf of all of us, thank you.

3002
2:29:37 --> 2:29:39
The information you've shared is so important.

3003
2:29:39 --> 2:29:43
Each one of us, we must do what each one of us sees

3004
2:29:43 --> 2:29:44
needs to be done.

3005
2:29:44 --> 2:29:46
So there's not, doesn't need a group action.

3006
2:29:46 --> 2:29:49
Whatever any one of us can do to promote this.

3007
2:29:49 --> 2:29:52
And I'm really struck, but I'm involved

3008
2:29:52 --> 2:29:55
in three organizations, anti-trafficking,

3009
2:29:55 --> 2:29:59
and I'm struck Juliette by your great work over in Russia

3010
2:29:59 --> 2:30:03
to then get no energy on this topic

3011
2:30:03 --> 2:30:05
when you found in America.

3012
2:30:05 --> 2:30:07
So that's salutary for us to understand.

3013
2:30:07 --> 2:30:12
It reinforces the message that these tentacles go deep

3014
2:30:12 --> 2:30:15
and our job now that we know it is to do something with it.

3015
2:30:15 --> 2:30:18
So let's get on the job everybody.

3016
2:30:18 --> 2:30:19
Thank you, Steven.

3017
2:30:19 --> 2:30:20
Thank you, Juliette.

3018
2:30:20 --> 2:30:22
Please pass on to, we always thank Cathy.

3019
2:30:22 --> 2:30:24
So we'll get the recording to you

3020
2:30:24 --> 2:30:29
and we will have this up within 12 hours on the site

3021
2:30:29 --> 2:30:32
and share these messages everybody, Juliette.

3022
2:30:32 --> 2:30:35
Charles, I sent you the link to the archive.

3023
2:30:36 --> 2:30:38
I emailed it to you.

3024
2:30:38 --> 2:30:40
I put that into the chat already.

3025
2:30:40 --> 2:30:41
Yes, okay, great.

3026
2:30:41 --> 2:30:43
Charles, I just want to tell Astrid

3027
2:30:43 --> 2:30:45
that I'll be in contact with her.

3028
2:30:45 --> 2:30:47
So she could look out for her emails.

3029
2:30:48 --> 2:30:50
Okay, Astrid, I'll take note.

3030
2:30:50 --> 2:30:52
Yes, I will look into it.

3031
2:30:52 --> 2:30:54
Thank you for telling me.

3032
2:30:54 --> 2:30:54
Thank you so much.

3033
2:30:54 --> 2:30:55
That's good.

3034
2:30:55 --> 2:30:57
Okay, thanks everybody.

3035
2:30:57 --> 2:30:58
Can we get the chat?

3036
2:30:58 --> 2:30:59
Thanks everybody.

3037
2:30:59 --> 2:31:00
Go to the Tom Rodman group,

3038
2:31:00 --> 2:31:02
those of you who have unlimited time

3039
2:31:02 --> 2:31:03
and we'll see you again next Tuesday.

3040
2:31:03 --> 2:31:06
Charles, Astrid is asking whether she can get the chat.

3041
2:31:06 --> 2:31:08
I was trying to download the chat, but I can't.

3042
2:31:08 --> 2:31:11
So there are lots of links there.

3043
2:31:12 --> 2:31:14
If you send me an email, I'll get it to you.

3044
2:31:14 --> 2:31:16
Oh, okay, thanks so much.

3045
2:31:16 --> 2:31:18
All right, thanks Juliette.

3046
2:31:18 --> 2:31:19
Great job.

3047
2:31:19 --> 2:31:20
Okay.

3048
2:31:20 --> 2:31:21
Thank you so much.

3049
2:31:21 --> 2:31:24
And you got 30 years of work ahead of you, Juliette.

3050
2:31:24 --> 2:31:28
So don't you dare think of retirement.

3051
2:31:28 --> 2:31:30
I'm not suicidal.

3052
2:31:30 --> 2:31:33
Juliette, this must have been really difficult for you.

3053
2:31:33 --> 2:31:35
Were we better or worse than you thought?

3054
2:31:36 --> 2:31:38
Beforehand, I mean.

3055
2:31:38 --> 2:31:40
I've actually looked at some of your recordings

3056
2:31:40 --> 2:31:41
that I got from Daria.

3057
2:31:41 --> 2:31:43
So I knew that you were wonderful.

3058
2:31:44 --> 2:31:46
Aha, that was taking a compliment.

3059
2:31:46 --> 2:31:47
Thank you.

3060
2:31:47 --> 2:31:48
Well.

3061
2:31:49 --> 2:31:50
Thank you.

3062
2:31:50 --> 2:31:52
Stop there, we're winning, Stephen, we're winning.

3063
2:31:54 --> 2:31:55
That's very nice.

3064
2:31:55 --> 2:31:55
That's how you were hit.

3065
2:31:55 --> 2:31:56
Thank you.

3066
2:31:56 --> 2:31:57
All right, we're going.

3067
2:31:57 --> 2:31:58
Bye everybody.

3068
2:31:59 --> 2:32:01
Bye, God bless everyone.

3069
2:32:01 --> 2:32:03
Happy May. God bless.

3070
2:32:03 --> 2:32:03
Thank you.