Thank you Juliet for being here.
So let's get this show on the road everybody.
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And now welcome to our two guest presenters today,
Juliet Engel and Cathy O'Brien.
We thank you both for giving us your time,
wisdom and insights.
Thank you Daria again for introducing,
for bringing them to us.
And for the purposes of the recording,
let me give short bios of the two of them.
First of all, Dr. Juliet Engel,
who was born into a family of OSSCIA NSA operatives
and was sold into the MK Ultra program Monarch
by her father at the age of six.
Juliet survived a childhood of mind control,
satanic ritual abuse and faced a future
as a prostitute for the CIA.
Fortunately, she escaped at the age of 17
and put herself through a university and medical school,
becoming a physician in Seattle
and having no memory of her childhood.
During a mission to improve medical care
for children in orphanages,
she discovered a link between the state institutions
and an international network that trafficked
young Russian girls to Scandinavia for prostitution.
She followed their trail north into Norway
where she ran hit long into the international slave trade
of the 20th century.
From that point forward,
there was no turning back for the determined doctor.
As Juliet travelled through the former USSR,
she was often at great personal peril,
building a network of villagers, educators, police,
media and government officials called the Angel Coalition,
who committed their talents and resources
to creating an underground railroad
that helped thousands of trafficking victims
to return safely home.
As a result of her work,
Juliet became eyewitness to the collapse of an empire
as the USSR broke apart and the Russian people struggled
to find their identity without losing their humanity.
In the 10 years that Juliet ran the Angel Coalition
to Moscow, the Russian angels saved over 70,000 children.
Juliet is now back home in America
and planning a nationwide public information campaign
starting in May, 2025,
with her new podcast, Angels Over America.
Kathy O'Brien has been speaking out for over 35 years
on her experiences in MKUltra,
mind control and healing from it.
Knowledge is our defense against mind control
and Kathy's experience on a White House Pentagon level
empowers Kathy's insight into far reaching effects
of mind control on society today
and what you can do to reclaim, protect
and expand your free thought.
Her website is trans-formation.com,
on X she is at real Kathy O'Brien
and her books are secured through her website,
trans-formation.com, someone will put that in the chat
and on Audible.
Kathy O'Brien's 1995 testimony for Congress
is censored under national security
was released in book form, Transformation of America
and her next book, Access Denied for Reasons
of National Security, details, marks and her journey
through the corrupted child protective services
to help her daughter, Kelly.
And PTSD, Time to Heal is comprised of healing methods
that Mark taught Kathy O'Brien
and is now reminding others to heal from within
just as Kathy did.
Juliet and Kathy want an extraordinary story
and it was G. Edward Griffin last week announced
that the HHS is the key vector
to child trafficking in America.
So how about that everybody?
So Juliet and Kathy, we're over to you.
You can share your screens if you wish.
We are All Ears and Stephen Frost again.
Thank you for creating this group
and for organizing Juliet and Kathy to be here today.
So Juliet and Kathy, over to you.
Shall I start?
Yep.
Over to you. Okay.
As Charles said, I was sold by my parents
into the MK-ELTRA program in 1955.
I'm 76 years old and I was six years old at the time
and that they essentially gave me a way.
I had to watch while my father was paid for me.
It was a ritual.
It was a ritual separation between me
and my protective parents.
And that committed me to a life of growing up
in the Church of Satan being raised
in satanic ritual abuse, physical abuse, sexual abuse.
And it was clear to me even as a child in this program
that they were after my mind, they were after my soul.
And I'm sure you all are familiar,
are you all familiar with MK-ELTRA?
I would assume that there's a lot of knowledge in this group
and that MK stands for Mein Kampf.
And what MK-ELTRA is, is the continuation of the projects
that were developed by the Nazis,
starting way around the beginning of the 20th century
and then continuing forward,
which contained a lot of mysticism, satanic power.
They were so into it that they even went to the church
in Pergamon, one of the seven churches of Asia
in Revelations.
And in the 1930s, they took the whole thing.
They took the whole town.
They took the Temple of Jupiter.
They took everything from that.
So there's nothing there, but a hole in the ground now.
Since the 1930s, they took it all to Berlin to study it.
Juliet, some of the people are aware of MK-ELTRA,
but don't know that much about it.
But I think if you could give a very short summary,
if that's possible, of the MK-ELTRA program,
that would be really important from the video afterwards.
We want to publish it and teach people.
Yes, and something, I'm gonna do a screen share
because something extremely important
just happened three months ago,
which will do a whole lot for everyone
in terms of understanding.
I'm trying to get to my...
Yeah, we can see zoom on the screen, okay?
Yes, can you see it?
Yep.
Okay, this document, this 1200 page document
came out on the 23rd of December, 2024.
And what this is,
is an official National Security Archive document,
which has been logged into the archives
at George Washington University.
And it is a detailed study of MK-ELTRA,
who did it, how they did it, who they were, why they did it.
And basically it's the intelligence agencies
admitting to everything, absolutely everything.
And for me, having lived 76 years
being basically ostracized for saying these things,
for saying that I was a victim of government mind control,
saying that I was sent from place to place
and forced to go through satanic rituals
and watch other children be killed and participate in drugs
and be forced into black masses
and all the things that they did to Kathy and me
and others as children, it's all in here.
So four months ago, so I've had four months
of sort of total exoneration of everything I ever said.
And basically, yes, the CIA started this program.
It was approved in 1951.
By 1953, they were recruiting children and bringing them in.
They decided to take girls at age six, boys at age seven
and begin experimenting with a variety of drugs.
They'd received a contract.
The Dulleses during the war were in Switzerland,
the Dulles brothers, Alan Dulles and John Foster Dulles.
They're basically the masterminds behind this MK-ELTRA program
and the link to the Nazis.
And since they were in Switzerland,
they were working closely with Eli Lilly,
who was making the Zyklon gas for the Nazis,
but also producing massive amounts of LSD
for the MK-ELTRA experiments that were going on
in Germany at the time.
And they contracted with the CIA to provide tons
of their remaining LSD, basically free of charge,
because they wanted the CIA to test it
and find out how that could be used for mind control.
So that's how it started in 1953.
Within three years, I was in it.
My uncle was one of the founding members of the NSA.
And later he was the person that organized GCHQ
in Great Britain, lived there for many years.
And that was my link.
Sorry.
So in this, this is a great advantage to have this document
because for years I've been trying to explain this
without any background and basically with total denial
by the government, but they can no longer deny it
because here it is.
This man was the man that came to my house
and took me away.
This is Agent George White.
I remember him very clearly.
He was a very good friend of mine.
I remember him very clearly.
He was a physician and also a narcotics agent.
And he was the one that was given basically free rein
by the CIA to run safe houses and to test anyone
he wanted to test with any drug that he wanted.
So thousands of Americans were put through this process,
probably thousands of children through the years,
probably tens of thousands of children.
How many survived?
It's hard to say.
Kathy and I are the only survivors in their seventies.
Well, I know of a few more who won't come forward,
but I think of all the people that went in,
very few actually came out
or their lives were so completely destroyed.
Here's something very relevant to your group.
And that is that, let's see, where is it?
As soon as Gottlieb,
Gottlieb was in charge of the pharmaceutical areas,
the technical services staff
and the head of the CIA's chemical division.
And that's Gottlieb right there, Sidney Gottlieb.
I remember him as well.
So he was known and he is notated
throughout this 1200 page document
as the CIA's chief poison maker.
So he was the one that experimented,
led the laboratories,
conducted, designed and conducted the experiments,
which had no oversight and no report back.
So they had no obligation to report their findings
or have any accountability whatsoever.
They were just turned loose on children like me and Kathy.
And his area of deep research is mRNA.
So it was his lab that started investigating
the use of mRNA as a biological weapon
to alter the genetics of entire populations,
cause extinction events, cause genocide,
cause populations to become malleable.
And then they planned a series of events,
including epidemics, which,
and this started planning these in the 50s,
but it went into the 60s.
They had a few failed attempts,
but they needed to render the population pliable.
And you're talking about how malleable our population is.
I'm looking at my fellow Americans and thinking,
how on earth can you be so stupid to take a vaccine
that isn't even, it's messenger RNA.
They can't even present scientific basis
for why you should take something like this.
And basically it's a poison
that was developed in the 1950s.
And, but people take it.
Why do they take it?
They take it because they've, these, this group,
this MKLTRA group, this group of extensions
of the Nazi mind control specialists
have mind controlled our population.
And it's through drugs.
It's certainly through the drug companies.
It's through media.
It's through all the subliminal messaging
that we get through electronics.
And, and so I would say they were massively successful.
It's also extremely interesting how they,
they had 85 universities and hospitals that participated
received unknown amounts of grant money from the CIA
and conducted experiments and included places like McGill,
University of Washington, University of California,
all these places that are in your neighborhood.
But in addition to that, they had a extensive network
of over 150 safe houses.
They call them safe houses.
When I was a child, I knew them as annexes.
And in my two books that I talk about this in,
these were called annexes.
And that's where I met Dr. Dottlieb,
who was known as Dr. Green.
And I knew Dr. White, who was called Dr. White.
And then a number of characters, Nanny Blacks,
who took care of us, who are these sexually ambiguous,
nun like figures who took care of the children.
You were never sure if they were men or women.
And, and then Dr. Browns, there were Dr. Browns
that would take us out and do field training.
Mine was largely at Disneyland in the 1950s.
So it's very hard for me actually,
emotionally going through these documents
because my whole childhood is here.
And how they did the annexes,
I've even found some of the annexes that I was left in.
They would go to a university or a hospital
and offer millions of dollars
to build a completely new wing named after whoever it is
they're trying to bribe into approving this thing.
This is one example.
This is a wing at Georgetown University.
And every floor except the top floor
is a completely normal patient floor.
Top floor is a CIA annex or safe house
where they conduct all kinds of experiments
and have no accountability to Georgetown University
or anyone else on the medical staff.
So no one even knows what's going on up there.
And that's okay because they're funding the whole thing.
They're paying for everything.
So the same thing with McGill University
in Canada and Montreal where they ran
deep patterning experiments,
which even involved completely extracting
a person's personality and memory.
So they left people with no memory of their lives.
In my case, what they did to people like myself or Kathy
is to break us up into multiple identities.
And with enough trauma in a specific area,
a person, a child is forced to use
the more primitive areas of their brain.
So you go into instinctual,
you go into all kinds of survival modes
that then create a separate identity
for that particular experience.
And then in the future, they can trick you
by recreating that experience or mentioning words
or sounds or smells or something that was used
at the time that you were sent into that state.
And that's how they can get you to do things
that you would never physically do.
You automatically react and then their plan
is that you kill somebody or you assassinate somebody
or you shoot someone or you do some crazy thing
that no normal person would do and you would never do.
So the multiple identities is a very big part of this.
And I think we're seeing a lot of that
in our society as well.
We're also, the soul extraction was a very big part
of mind control in my growing up.
And very often it involved being tied down to a wheel
with symbols all over it.
And these are Nazi symbols.
I've found them now in books and in research of my own,
spun on that wheel while people chatted
that there is no light, there is no dark,
there is no good, there is no evil,
there is no white, there's no black, on and on and on.
And when you just can't stand it anymore
and you're gonna vomit and you'll do anything
to make it stop, they say, there's only green.
And at that point, you're supposed to release your soul
to them, your soul is green.
So I never did that, but I can assure you
that the green agenda, the green,
it has nothing to do with ecology anymore
than climate change has any real basis in climate.
This was their attempt to create a mind controlled,
soulless group of individuals that they could control.
And I think to a large extent, they've done that.
So I'm as interested to hear what you all think
and I must say, Kathy is I think further in her process
than I am and in terms of healing
and helping other people heal.
She's achieved a level of peace that I haven't.
So I'll stop there, Alec.
So Julia, do you wanna hit Kathy to take over now?
Sure, yes.
Julia, that was just absolutely profoundly,
beautifully stated.
You're just constantly glowing
with so much comprehensive information.
I really appreciate what you're doing
and you're absolutely amazing.
I am so fortunate to have survived my MKUltra ordeal
as has Julia, so few have.
I'm a survivor of CIA MKUltra mind control.
I was used on a White House Pentagon level.
I was deep in the Washington DC swamp among perpetrators
who steal elections and use drug and human trafficking
to fund their globalist slave society agenda
and who are using mind control
on the global population to usher it in.
The formula for mind control is the same,
whether it's of an individual, a nation or the world,
a classroom, a military, whatever they want to target
MKUltra mind control for the formula is exactly the same
and trauma is the basis of it.
It had been found through Hitler-Himmler research
that there's no trauma more horrific on the human mind
than sexual abuse of a child prior to age five
while their brain is still forming.
This sexual abuse is absolutely horrific
as is satanic ritual abuse or blood trauma.
That's one of the most horrific traumas
on the human mind also.
So these traumas are very much a part
of MKUltra mind control.
This formula for mind control came into the United States
through Project Paperclip in the wake of World War II.
When we imported the Nazi emphasia scientists into the US
with them came the formula for mind control.
These Nazi emphasia scientists included the NASA aspect
that went into play and also Walt Disney was a part of it.
And Walt Disney was associated with Werner von Braun
of NASA, but it starts to raise a question.
What does Disney have to do with NASA?
And it's mind control.
We can look at DARPA, common theme,
moving through both.
But the formula for mind control also includes sleep,
food and water deprivation.
Because if our brains are starved of nutrients
we're more suggestible and easily led.
Ultimately, this is a slave society mind control agenda
to make people compliant, to allow for a handful
of puppet masters to lead them into their
globalist slave society agenda.
I know from my experience in MTA Ultra Mind Control
that without free thought, there's no free will.
With no free will, there's no soul expression.
With no soul expression, we lose our moral compass.
We lose our discernment of truths.
We lose our ability to have compassion for each other.
We lose our ability to gather the strength
of the human spirit and that infinite power of love
that we're born with to be able to live our own life's
purpose and why we're really even here.
So ultimately, the mind control agenda becomes
a spiritual warfare in that regard because it squashes
our ability to have that kind of soul expression
and strength of purpose and meaning to be able
to take a stand against this globalist agenda
and to take a stand for our children to effectively
protect them from this pedophile agenda
that's being pushed so hard globally.
The pedophile agenda is a mind control agenda
and I know it from my own personal experience.
Monarch is a genetic mind control aspect of MK Ultra.
Monarch targets families and Juliet, you just described
so beautifully how that applied to you.
And in my case, I was born into a multi-generational
in-sus-based family.
My father had been sexually abused
and ritually abused as a child.
My mother had been sexually abused and was trafficked
to my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge.
I was being sexually abused from infancy
because they didn't, my parents didn't know any better.
And this multi-generational aspect is because it was found
in the Hitler-Himmler research that after three generations,
any abuse-based, knowledge-based belief system
becomes autogenic in the brain, it's passed down.
Obviously your intelligence was passed down.
And in my case, it was the complacency
from the generations of sexual abuse.
So I would have been more compliant just the way I was
if I hadn't been abused, but I was sexually abused.
My father's sexual abuse began in infancy.
Before I could think to know what he was doing was wrong,
but my brain knew it was wrong.
And we have this defensive mechanism in our brain
that we need to be aware of.
And that's how our brains respond to trauma.
And even though I didn't know what my father was doing
was wrong, my brain knew I was enduring the pain
and suffocation of his abuse.
So it took memory of that traumatic event
and buried it deep into the subconscious,
repressed that memory, actually physically shut down
neuron pathways around that trauma
and buried it in my subconscious
so the rest of my mind could develop and function normally.
This is a mind saying defense to trauma,
too horrible to comprehend.
When we understand this is how our brains respond to trauma,
we know why this pedophile agenda is being pushed so hard
because it targets children at such an early age
while their brain is still forming
that this compartmentalization becomes
a very heightened suggestibility
and creates compliance.
And that's ultimately what the point
of all this mind control is about.
My father's sexual abuse extended
into child pornography of me.
And my brain shut down neuron pathways around that event,
repressed it into my subconscious
so the rest of my mind could develop normally.
Then my father's sexual abuse
and the child pornography extended into trafficking.
Grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge,
so I was being trafficked as a very young toddler
and used in blackmail operations
that were already coming into play
and the neuron pathways in my brain shut down around that
and buried it deep into my subconscious.
So all these neuron pathways are shutting down.
As those neuron pathways are shutting down,
more and more free thought capacities being lost,
more conscious awareness and ability
to even think anything through.
Additionally, these compartmentalizations
have no inner communication between them.
So the sexual abuse that happened over here
has no knowledge of the sexual abuse happening over here,
which can create a heightened endurance
because if there's no ability to understand
that you've already been put through so much,
then you're fresh over here when it's happening over here.
The part of me that dealt with my father's sexual abuse
would trigger open when he came into sexually abuse me again.
And again, as needed,
that triggering is what would open that up to happen again.
And then also if he was using me in child pornography,
I'd see the camera,
the camera would trigger that part of me into it.
If I was at the Blue Masonic Lodge
among these politicians and local law enforcement
that hung out there,
then that part would trigger open to deal with it again
and again as needed with no inner communication in between.
With no inner communication
in between the compartmentalized memory,
there's no continuity of time.
There's no ability to have a concept of time.
There's no ability to have a continuity of thought
to even think to dread something or to think to argue it
or anything else,
you only can do exactly what you're in
that particular moment to do.
My father was caught sending child pornography
of me through the US mails like back in 1960
when Project Paperclip had brought in
the Nazi and fascist scientists that by 1947,
the National Security Act came into play in 1947,
the CIA came into being to carry out this globalist agenda
and the National Security Act was used as a blanket
to cover it up.
Secrecy was their key,
that's why they use secret societies
like my grandfather's Blue Masonic Lodge.
So when my father was caught sending child pornography
of me through the US mails in the early 1960s,
the local politician that I had been prostituted to
as a little bitty toddler approached my father
and told him that he could receive immunity for prosecution
if he would agree to sell me into the CIA's
MK Ultraman control project.
My father agreed and sold me in.
And this shows how long the justice system
has been corrupted to allow for the proliferation
of pedophilia because it is a mind control agenda
necessary for fulfilling this new world order agenda.
A.L.F. Hitler was the first to call it new world order
and we hear these self-appointed, self-anointed global leaders
that meet in secret and have control over nations
and tell us how we're gonna be living our lives.
They had that information on mind control too.
So there's these secret societies are key
to keeping the information secret
because knowledge is our defense against mind control.
And it certainly is a reason why I speak out.
I know is a big part of why Juliet speaks out,
because we need to keep, get this information out there
because it is our defense against mind control.
When we understand what's happening,
then we know to safeguard our minds against trauma.
And it gives us understanding into why we experience
trauma after trauma after trauma today.
It's intended to heighten the suggestibility
of the global population.
When my father agreed to sell me into the project,
he was immediately flown to Boston, Massachusetts,
where he was trained by Cardinal Law
on how to raise me in the project.
Cardinal Law was named as a head
of the infamous Catholic child abuse scandal
that covered up pedophilia within the Catholic church
and that allowed for the pedophile priest
to just be moved from one church to the other.
And my father was taught then
that he was to take me to my local church,
which was involved with the CIA.
And he was a very important person
for creating MK Ultra Mind Control slaves like myself.
And I was subjected to significant satanic occult ritual
within the church from that point on.
So by the time I was six years old,
I was losing my free thought completely
to the MK Ultra Mind Control.
I was shot down from the occult trauma.
And then this local politician
that gave my father immunity from prosecution
was Gerald Ford.
Gerald Ford went on to become the unelected president
of the United States.
As his political career escalated,
so too did my victimization in MK Ultra Mind Control
until I was used on a White House Pentagon level.
And to prepare me for that,
I was taken to places like that was the Epstein Island
of its time, Mackinac Island, Michigan,
where MK Ultra was being discussed among global leaders.
And these global leaders don't trust each other either.
So they hold each other by the blackmail, so to speak.
These blackmail videos have been around my whole life.
And we hear of them now with Epstein Island
and the Diddy tapes and all,
but these blackmail videos are used because again,
they don't trust each other either.
So I was prostituted to leaders like Pierre Trudeau,
who is an expert in MK Ultra Mind Control from Canada,
that was an expert on it in individuals and of nations.
So this experience that I had then was one
that began preparing me for how I would be used
in later years.
I was taken to various NASA, military,
and DARPA installations.
I was also taken to the underground at Disney World
in Florida and programmed there.
Those are MK Ultra Mind Control programming epicenters.
Not only was Walt Disney actively involved
in subliminally manipulating the minds of the masses
into accepting pedophilia.
When we look at the Disney movies,
way back from their onset,
they were promoting pedophilia subliminally.
They were promoting,
they were using trauma and separating families throughout.
So that was going on on that level.
On that level, it has infiltrated subliminally
into society for generations now.
They also were using significant DARPA related
MK Ultra Mind Control techniques
in the underworld of Disney World,
where even the military is taken
for sophisticated MK Ultra Mind Control programming.
So this kind of programming would take,
like when my father would come in to sexually abuse me again,
they would take that compartmentalized memory spot
and put a word or a hand signal or a harmonic tone
to open those neuron pathways.
The harmonics can vibrate the neuron pathways of the brain
so that technological aspect was coming into play.
Very fortunately for me,
the experiences I had in MK Ultra Mind Control,
the various operations that I was used in
are detailed in my testimony,
my 1995 testimony for Congress,
Transformation of America.
It was censored under national security.
But when you look through it,
you will see that that testimony back then
describes much of what's happening today,
right down to the vaccines that was planned.
When Mind Control, masked as a virus,
was unleashed on the global population in 2020,
I knew because I had the knowledge
as our defense against Mind Control,
not to cooperate with the repetitive media narrative,
repetitions, the most basic form of Mind Control.
That's what the media does to us.
And the media was telling us,
mask up, get the injection, social distance,
shelter at home, repetitive over and over again,
tell people had no choice but to comply
unless they were aware of that kind of manipulation.
And again, that's the knowledge
that it's our defense against Mind Control.
I certainly wouldn't cooperate with the masks.
Masks are used in MK Ultra Mind Control.
Thank Michael Jackson.
Michael Jackson wore the mask
and they're used because they depersonalize
and they also muffle voices,
but above all, they inhibit oxygen necessary to the brain
for critical analysis, free thought.
Muffling voices from the social distancing,
six feet away, kept people from talking with each other.
And I could see that the whole world was getting
a taste of what MK Ultra Mind Control is all about.
The injection is part of a depopulation agenda.
It's detailed in my 1995 testimony.
And we need to be aware of that aspect.
I'm so happy to see that this group
is absolutely against the vaccines
because they are intended to depopulate.
And very fortunately for me,
an intelligence insider who has worked
in the highest levels of intelligence mind sciences
in Washington, DC, saw how Mind Control was being used
to erode our constitutional values
of freedom and justice for all.
He was working to preserve the sanctity of free thought
and everything that he was working for was being violated.
Mark's level of intelligence was extremely high
where he could wear any hat, whether it was CIA, NSA,
Secret Service, FBI, whatever he needed to be
is what he wore to be in key places at key times.
He saw how the pedophile agenda was being used
in blackmail ops to compromise any politicians
or people in influence, peoples in positions
of influence and power to force them into complying
with this globalist agenda.
He was especially appalled to see little children
being taken in and out of the White House
for these pedophile blackmail purposes.
And that's when he decided that he was gonna do something
about it, Mark was bound by laws of sedition
and he couldn't just speak about it,
but he could take action.
And that was when he lifted my daughter and me
right out of the Washington, DC human trafficking swamp
all the way back in 1988 and handed me keys to my own mind
so that I could heal from 30 years
of torturous, robotic MK ultra mind control
where I didn't even have a capacity to think for myself anymore
or speak for myself or even protect my own daughter,
which is an absolute outrage.
Instead that was used as the most extreme trauma.
I would do anything to keep her from being hurt.
And I found out that she had been told the same thing
that if she would take the abuse, I would be spared.
And so that love was used against us,
much the way that it was used against the global population
with mind control master's of virus
because it tore families apart
between those who knew that who were thinking free
and those who were buying into the media narrative.
Love overcomes all.
And when we understand mind control,
we've realized that what has happened,
it will help to reunite families and let them know too
that we are not responsible
for what we do under mind control.
Our abusers are responsible for that.
They need to be held accountable for their actions.
Mark Phillips had found that pertinent information,
our birthright information on our mind brain function
had been suppressed under national security.
It was buried so that after three generations,
people would forget that they have all the power.
They were kept looking outside themselves
to big government, big pharma, big tech,
big cult to cult religion,
rather than realizing that we have been blessed
with the most resilient body, mind and spirit.
We have so much healing capacity within ourselves
that these perpetrators had buried this information
under national security.
They kept it from the medical community.
They kept it from the mental health community.
They kept it from society as a whole,
but it's our birthright information.
So Mark didn't deprogram me.
He reminded me that it was within me to heal myself.
And he handed me those keys.
And those keys are in PTSD, time to heal.
They're posted on my website at trans-formation.com.
So everyone can apply this,
these easy to self-apply techniques to themselves,
because it just reminds us that we have all the power.
These perpetrators only have as much power
as we give them or let them steal.
We have it all.
And we just need to remember.
And remember, what else we remember,
who we are and why we're here.
We can live the love we are as game over.
Now they feed off of such a low vibration.
That's why they wanna keep us at a low vibration.
They're scared of the strength of the human spirit.
They're scared that we're gonna remember
that we have all that power within us
and start living the love we are.
That's such a high vibration.
They can't affect it.
The only thing they can do is affect our ability
to think, to utilize it through mind control.
That is ultimately what their purpose and their agenda is.
And when we remember that we have all the power,
we can apply the easy to apply healing methods
and PTSD time to heal.
And that is simple things that Mark taught me,
like picking up a pen and writing out memory,
writing out trauma, writing out fear,
write out whatever negativity is immobilizing us.
The very act of moving a pen activates the logic,
critical analysis part of the brain
and information is shifted from those repressed,
emotionally incomprehensible traumas.
It opens that up and brings it over to the logic part
of the brain where it's written out, consciously seen,
and all of a sudden healing is happening,
psychiatrically, psychologically, emotionally,
spiritually, it's all happening
with this one little simple brain hack
of picking up a pen and paper.
Typing does not do the same thing,
especially the twiddling thumbs on a cell phone,
does not do the same thing.
It's very important to pick up that pen and paper
and begin writing.
If we get writing by hand back in the school systems,
we can stop the indoctrination of our children
and that would be a great thing for all of us.
Everybody everywhere can use this
to overcome their fear and trauma, just simply write it out.
And I suggest you use a solution
because when you add a solution,
you're forcing your brain to fire in new ways.
You're lifting up out of that darkness,
opening more neuron pathways,
you're able to see a clear path forward
and that inspires an ability to take action.
Again, the MK Ultra Mind Control shuts down neuron pathways
and we need to open those neuron pathways
and this is a simple way to do it.
As we do that, we need to shut off our devices,
get outside, breathe in the air,
feel the sun on our skin, feel the breeze,
consciously feel all that reconnect with the earth,
take your shoes off, feel the earth beneath your feet.
These are all just simple little things that we all can do
to reclaim our free thought, free will, soul expression
and be able to preserve our humanity
because this whole spiritual aspect
is ultimately their agenda.
When we reclaim it, it's game over.
We win, they lose and we have so many abilities
to be exploring from there to remember our capacity
for healing physically, mentally, psychologically,
psychiatrically, spiritually, all those levels at once.
It's a celebration that we have been blessed
with the victory all along.
Wow, Cathy, beautifully expressed, beautifully put.
Now, before Stephen starts, Daria,
I would like to invite you to say
whatever you feel like saying because Juliet
and Cathy are with us because you persisted with us
to say we've got to listen to their story.
So well done on your persistence
and being a pain in the ass.
So please, what would you like to say before Stephen?
Okay, well, again, this is a thank you so much again
for coming on Cathy and Juliet.
Thank you so much, Stephen and Charles
for organizing and coordinating this
because this has been a big piece
of what we've been talking about with the craziness
that started with COVID, but a lot of us were speaking out
about different things in society that were problematic,
the wokeness in the schools and all this
and to crystallize it down into this base mechanism,
this operational mechanism of psychological warfare
that has been experienced by our panelists here
and our guests and going all the way back to the 50s.
I mean, this really was hatched out of World War II, I think,
but it explains a lot.
It explains a lot, a big part of the sexual revolution.
It explains the compromise of not only the hierarchy
in the Catholic Church in Rome,
and that's where I posted the link to Operation Gladio,
but everything that's happened that has compromised morality,
broken up family, all of it is coming from the same place.
And this is the actual operational mechanism
that allowed it to diffuse so extensively
through societies all over the world.
And that's why I wanted to,
when we have two eyewitnesses that live through it
and are still got all their marbles
and can tell us the story and it's validated
in the CIA report, you know, this is far beyond.
And there's something very special and blessed
that Juliet and Kathy were able to live through all that
and still be able to speak about it
and take action to protect others
and inform others from falling into the same trap.
And it was funny because when I started returning back
to faith four years ago now, yeah,
one of the things I told the priest when I first met him
was there are people walking around on this planet
that I don't think have souls.
And it's terrifying right now to sit here
and hear Kathy mention that,
and Juliet mentioned that they try to steal your soul.
So what we've subjectively encountered,
I mean, some people have that little cartoon meme
of the NPC, the non-player gray faced character.
People have that happen, their minds are clouded,
their conscience is blunted.
And it is this tampering with the neuroplasticity
of a developing brain in childhood
that it makes us so criminal.
It still can be overcome and, you know,
love, care, compassion and protection.
People have to learn how to become safe and be safe
and be around people that help them be safe
so they can fight through this.
And it's just incredible.
And we've all probably,
if we really examined our memories and our conscience,
we could probably find a place where we got tripped up
by some of this nonsense.
And I grew up during the 70s.
I was in high school in the 70s
and junior high in the early 70s
and then graduated high school in 78.
So all of this decadence was just everywhere
and it was so prevalent.
And I grew up outside of Chicago.
So we also had the influence of the two CIA headquarters,
the one in Gary, Indiana and the one in Chicago.
So it was heavily infiltrated.
So if you wanna know why some places rotten to the core,
this is a big piece of it.
So we've just added a gigantic piece to the puzzle
that connects a lot of dots
that we've all been talking about for a long time.
Thank you so much.
God bless you both.
Well said, Daria.
Well said.
All right, Stephen, the next 15 minutes is yours
and then we've got a lot of hands up.
Yeah, so I'll try my best.
It's hard to follow that,
but Daria of course is a neurosurgeon.
So maybe she had a particular interest in it.
And so did I, Daria.
You remember four years ago now,
I was talking about they were deliberately
raping the souls of human beings
and people were telling me off for saying that.
And prior to that, psychological torture.
And so we had the Canadian guy, expert,
well, he knows about mind control and what was his name?
Speak to us.
And I remember saying then
that we need to get to the bottom of this mind control,
but I never thought that we would have two victims
of mind control from the 50s talking to us.
And I also, even if we had you speaking to us, Kathy
and Juliet, I didn't for one minute think
that they would release that 1200 page document
on the 23rd of December, 19, sorry, 2024.
So on the best day to bury bad news,
I can't remember who actually came up with that phrase
on 9-11, but you cannot think of a better day
than the 23rd of September last year
or any year to bury bad news.
Why did they want to get that document out?
It's a gift to you, isn't it?
And I just wonder, have you had numerous requests
for interviews?
I suspect not.
And why do you think that is?
Well, I think it's, people just haven't discovered it yet.
I've been waiting for Jerome Corsi to come across it
and contact me.
I'm surprised he hasn't, I don't see him on the screen.
He's on the call, yeah.
Yes, because I would love to talk to him about that.
But people just haven't- This is a big story of all,
in my opinion, Juliet, do you think that?
Yes, and it's essential, they had to put that out
before other documents could come out.
And it had to come out before anything about the truth
about the Epstein list could come out.
It had to come out before you could really get
into the P Diddy stuff and what's going on in California,
which New California is deep into.
And also the JFK files.
You can't explain the JFK assassination
until you understand what was going on with MK Ultra.
This is the foundation of all of that.
And the basis of this is Mein Kampf.
And do you know that you cannot get a copy of Mein Kampf
in German or English now?
Yes, I've heard that.
And the translation of it was done by, into English,
was done in the 1930s by Alan Cranston,
who became a Senator and was later my handler in MK Ultra.
He translated it into English.
He translated it so badly that Hitler sued him
in an American court and won the case.
However, his translation is all that we can get.
And his translation is 70,000 words.
The book itself was 300,000 words and we can't get it.
And except that when I was a little child,
Alan Cranston and other California politicians
and important people would take groups of small children.
I was about seven or eight at the time to Mexico,
to Rosarito Beach, where there's a autonomous
University of Mexico campus.
And it was just a few trailers and an old satanic church
and teach us from Mein Kampf.
So that he was teaching from the mysticism,
from the Nazi ideology.
He was teaching me to be a real girl.
He was, they were teaching.
And we spent basically two weeks in the sun
with no clothes, no washing, no, I mean, we were,
he took us down to feral children.
So, I don't know how I can't,
there was also a lot of drugs involved.
And so they created feral children.
They were taking children that they had decided were smart
and had a lot of strength and had a lot of like
remote viewing innate abilities.
And they were training us using the original text
of Mein Kampf, which he knew backwards and forwards
since he'd gotten hold of it in the 1930s.
So.
So Juliette, Jerome is here.
Jerome, you've been listening all this time.
Hi.
I'm, I have your book right here.
Great, there it is.
Do you have another book that you're talking about
that you wanna do?
Actually, that's the one that talks about my childhood,
growing up in MKL track.
I've reviewed it, I've done podcasts on it.
We've spoken about it.
So, I mean, it sounded like you had another book
that you were talking about.
If you did, I'd be interested.
Well, I had, I just started to remember
the process of interviewing and working with New California.
And I've done interviews with JJ Carroll,
who's a California, was a California border control agent
and it stimulated more memories.
So I could definitely write another book
which should be more detailed in terms of the people
on the other side involved.
But I don't know how useful that would be,
but I'll be glad to talk to you about it anytime.
If you and Darya wanted to do something,
if you wanna do something more analytic about it
or carry it forward in terms of what the impact
was on the JFK assassination and all the rest of it,
that would be interesting.
I mean, but I have, we've done interviews on this and...
But Jerome, have you done any interviews
on what has happened?
So the document which was published
just before Christmas last year,
have you done any interviews in the light
of what's in those documents?
I've carried it forward to, I've done it in my podcasts,
I've done a lot of discussion about how this is the beginning
of the disinformation that we've seen.
And I wrote a book on the whole issue of communism
and Marxism in which the sexual revolution
was centered to it, also tied to the Frankfurt School.
So I mean, everything Juliet's talking about,
I've been following and reporting on,
and I've had interviews with her as well.
I'm happy to do more.
But Jerome, have you done any...
Have you published anything about the documents released
just before Christmas last year?
Because by the time Juliet knew about the...
Oh, I don't know why that's...
Well, I was just gonna just bring up the document again
to show.
Yeah, by the time you realized that that document existed
or had been published, Juliet, when was that?
I didn't know about it until the beginning of February.
Actually, I heard about it from Ray McGovern.
Oh, right, I was going to ask you, who told you?
Ray McGovern did.
And he said he might be interested.
Is he the presidential candidate?
Was he?
No, no, he was a CIA whistleblower from way back.
Right, wow.
And he contacted me and said, you might be interested.
So I started to read it.
And of course, it's 1200 pages.
It takes a lot of going through.
So does Trump know about this?
And if he does, why hasn't he said anything about it?
And why hasn't he invited you to the White House?
I don't know.
I've just really gotten through it myself.
Would you go to the White House?
Sure, of course.
I'll talk to anybody about this.
I do think a lot of this has been discussed
at pretty great lengths.
I've talked about it as well.
I mean, the whole mind control, the CIA use of drugs,
all the drug sex and rock and roll, I mean, all that.
I covered it also extensively.
Here they admit it.
So basically, they confessed everything
that you have been talking about.
That's the difference.
The document I covered very extensively in that book.
But the document, it is incriminating in that, yes,
it is a complete confession of what they were doing.
But it has impact in that regard.
But I mean, I think it's well established
that all the mind control, the drug experiments, et cetera,
in fact, this whole idea that the cultures of Germany
and other cultures are still being very much mind controlled
but turning off the energy.
Jerome, you need to write about what Cathy was saying.
So she has worked out the importance of this.
And I agree with her.
So it's absolutely central to what happened in 2020
and all the nonsense about the Ukraine war
and all the climate change nonsense as well.
It's to confuse people as much as possible
to rape their souls and minds.
If Cathy would write that, that's a book.
Cathy should do that and get it to me.
Or Darya can collaborate.
I mean, this is elaborating that story
the way it was done today and here,
putting it all together would be a very valuable book.
And these are the people to do it.
They love it.
It would be a wonderful book.
I'd be very interested in that book being put together.
I think that would be a very important book to publish.
Cathy, are you familiar with...
Do it.
Yes.
Cathy?
Yes.
Cathy, are you interested in doing that or what?
Cathy, hang on.
Well, absolutely.
I'm wondering, are you familiar
with Transformation of America?
I've heard of it, but I can't say I could speak about it.
Is that a book?
Yeah, it's my 1995 testimony for Congress.
National security was invoked on it.
And it detailed much of what we've seen in society today
and how our constitutional values have been eroded.
It detailed who was gonna be placed
in the office of president right up until Hillary Clinton
was supposed to usher in the new world order.
And of course, that didn't happen.
Too many of us were awake and aware 2016
and we overrode the rigged electronic algorithm.
But in those voting machines and elected a president
that was not Hillary Clinton in her new world order
and is a president that represented we the people
and showed us what a swamp Washington DC is.
And it's really validated Transformation of America
that much more again.
Time has validated it.
Yes.
Cathy and Julius, because my time is running out.
So on the 2nd of June, 1948, seven doctors,
medical doctors were hanged in Nuremberg in Germany
for human medical experimentation.
And the prosecutors were Americans.
They were Americans in the doctors trial.
It was human medical experimentation
and psychological torture and all the rest of it.
And this was very relevant to what happened in 2020.
But then we hear that Operation Paperclip
transported these people from Germany to the United States
to continue the very same nonsense that was going on,
evil that was going on.
And so why were the Americans prosecuting on the one hand
and involved in transporting these people secretly
to the United States?
And my killer question is this,
have you become aware of any of the seven people
who were allegedly hanged in Germany
for human medical experimentation
being found alive in the United States of America
since the 2nd of June, 1948?
Well, I can tell you that amongst the prosecutors,
the American prosecutors at Nuremberg
were five of my uncles.
Wow.
Yeah, and they were all been involved
in transporting the Nazi, not just physicians.
They were there to pick, they were all German speakers.
My great-grandmother was German
and they were all there to recruit for the CIA
and there were British recruiting there
and there were Russians recruiting there.
So the Nazi scientists were divided up.
I later met some of them in Russia years later.
So I know from my family
and my uncles received lavish gifts from these people
who were then resettled in the United States,
given new names, new identities, new jobs.
And I met a British journalist named Christopher Story,
maybe some of you know of him.
Yes, I know the name.
Yes, I was a source of his when I was living in Russia.
But and then he said he was killed
or he was being murdered in 1970
or he was at the age of 74, which is I think 2010.
But he told me that the records for all of the actual
identities and the new identities for all of these scientists
that were supposed to have been hung
but were taken to the US were stored in the Murtaugh building
in Oklahoma City.
And that's where the explosion, the terrorist explosion was
and that's where the records were destroyed.
And up until that time, there'd been across the street
from that building, there'd been a Nazi museum.
So a lot of the artifacts that were brought
with these scientists and engineers,
they brought all kinds of people.
So, Juli, we had a guest recently who was an expert
on the Oklahoma City bombing.
That was not what he talked to us about,
but he was an expert on that.
So, and I was very interested in the Oklahoma City bombing
at the time because I knew that something was wrong
with that story.
And all the talk about Timothy McVeigh,
his execution being really weird, you know,
and I thought, what was that about?
He was happy when he was dying allegedly, if he did die.
If he did die, which he probably didn't.
And the, well, if you're familiar with Christopher's story,
he wrote a global report every month
that was absolutely packed with information
and those reports are archived.
So you can find the information about the records kept
at the Murtaugh building.
And I totally believe that because he had traced,
he had done a lot of work tracing out
where these people disappeared to
and what their new names were.
And he was following several of them
and they were gaining strength and positions
inside the United States.
And now they're like third generation.
So you're getting descendants of these people.
So Julia, do you think that the seven doctors
who were hanged on the 2nd of June, 1948
were actually hanged or were they?
I don't, no.
I think they were resettled.
They could have been resettled in Britain,
the United States or Russia.
Right.
Probably the United States.
So there was somebody hanged,
hanged stay because there's an iconic photo of somebody,
but not necessarily those doctors.
They hang somebody, but you know,
so these people were too valuable.
Because we've only got Cathy for the next 15 minutes, Stephen,
your 15 minutes is up and it's wonderful what you,
and by the way, Stephen, to remind you,
that expert was John Rappapour, of course, on the Oklahoma.
John Rappapour, yeah.
Yes.
Okay, so John Rappapour's work is also,
I'm sure Cathy and Julia, you've heard.
So Stephen, well uncovered.
Jerome's heard all of this.
We've got Cathy for 17 minutes.
So let's go through some questions
and you'll get some more questions at the end, okay?
Just to say to Jerome,
Jerome, this is the biggest story of all, surely.
I can't imagine a more important story than this.
Well, I think a lot of pieces of it have been told,
but if someone could put it together,
that's what I'm suggesting that they,
if Cathy and Julia and the others
want to get a book together,
there's a book to do that they could easily,
they have access to all the information.
They could put it together.
I'd be very interested in that.
All right.
We can, got mine.
All right.
Thank you, Stephen.
Thank you, Jerome.
All right, let's go.
Quick questions.
So not too many statements.
Go, Glenn.
I'll focus directly on Cathy.
You wrote, I mean, you spoke here
about the brain hack mechanism of writing it out
and beyond that, adding a solution.
So as a quick, please, just yes or no,
are you familiar with the partition clause
in the Bill of Rights?
What?
No, I'm not sure what you're talking about.
If you, okay, then you're not familiar with it.
I'll explain what it is.
In the First Amendment,
everybody knows about free speech, free press,
free religion, freedom to assemble.
Almost no one knows about the other clause
known as the partition clause.
The partition clause allows people
to partition their government
around a grievance and to ask for redress.
Redress is that solution mechanism.
This is a constitutional right to every American.
You can't find one in a hundred people
that even know that right exists.
Your description of writing it out,
both as a mechanism to identify that grievance
and thinking through a solution is a wonderful element.
And the problem we have in the country now is
so few people want to get in the game to get involved.
This is an item.
If that kind of delivery you could present to people
and encourage them to come out,
that they have to come out,
everybody that's awake about all of the problems
and the poisoning and the mind control,
they have to go out and be ready to get involved
with their local government and their state government
and their federal government.
And your mechanism of brain hack and write it out
and with a solution, I think could be a tremendous approach.
Would you agree?
And do you think that that's a way
of dramatically expanding public involvement?
Yes, absolutely.
And I really appreciate that because it spans
all aspects of society that we need to be able
to start cleaning up and taking back
the way that it's intended to be
because we've had so much of our societies eroded.
I'm always encouraging people
when I'm speaking out publicly or otherwise
to get out in society and talk to each other eye to eye,
heart to heart, soul to soul,
make a difference in the school system,
put writing by hand back in,
get out and get involved in our voting,
clean that up.
But it all begins with local action.
Local action has national impact,
national impact has global impact.
It's up to each and every one of us to do our part
and picking up that pen and a paper
is a great way to start it.
Thank you, Glenn.
Good observation.
And please note, Michelle Perot,
who's a top MD on kids and recovery from PTSD,
have a look in the chat.
I interviewed Michelle on informme.org,
important course on vaccination, Cathy and Juliet.
Inform-me.org, I'll put it in there.
But amazing information coming out.
So, all right, thank you, Glenn.
Jeremy.
Yeah, thank you, Charles.
I'd just like to say that
to Juliet and Cathy,
thank you for your incredible courage
in coming through all this
and arriving at where you are right now.
My connection here is rather tenuous to MKSULTRA.
I'm at a birthday party right now
for the son-in-law of a lady
who went through that whole process in Montreal.
I was born and raised in Montreal.
She was treated with shock therapy, LSD
and every other thing that they used
at the Allen Memorial Institute,
which was a wing of the Montreal Neurological Institute,
McGill, of course.
And so I've known the family, the whole family,
including the grandmother,
who's now unbelievably about to have her 100th birthday.
She, of course, never wanted to talk
about what she went through.
So I only had brief comments
from her about this program.
The term MKULTRA was something I didn't actually hear
until I got involved with this group.
But once I heard about it,
I realized that this is what she was involved with.
And she survived it.
She had four children that I grew up with.
And unfortunately, the gal that I went to high school with,
she died very recently.
The mother is probably gonna outlive all the children.
She was weird right from the beginning.
It's the only way I can describe it.
She, of course, never wanted to talk
about what the experiences were.
So I just thought I would relate that story to you.
I'm thinking that she was probably in her 20s
at the time that she became involved in the MKULTRA program.
Her name is, still is, Ilana Fleming.
And ironically, she became a supervisor
for a number of decades at a school for troubled boys,
or at least an institution for troubled boys
in Montreal called Waredale.
And I don't know how she handled all that,
but she definitely wasn't on a normal wavelength,
what I would call a normal wavelength with other people.
I don't know how she survived it.
I don't know whether she encountered sexual abuse,
but she certainly was mentally abused.
It cost her her marriage.
But anyway, I just thought I would relate that to you.
And then thank you again for your courage
in going through what for you must be a very tough situation
to relate to other people.
Obviously, you've managed to overcome the worst of it.
And so that's a very heroic thing that you've done.
Thank you.
Thank you for bringing that up too,
because Dr. Yuan Cameron was actively involved
in those experiments and the horrible, horrible things
they did in Montreal.
And I'm very much aware of that.
Michigan was so close to it and being right there
at the US Canadian border at Mackinac,
gave me a lot of insight into that.
So many people are affected.
This is far more pervasive than people understand.
And it's been going on a long, long time.
It's gotta stop.
It's affecting the global population.
Now it's affecting everybody on some level or another,
because knowledge is our defense against it.
Our information has been controlled a long time.
And it's time that we all knew the truth that makes us free
and stop this from happening to anybody else.
Well, I think it will be very helpful for you
to be in contact with your own core seat,
to take this further, to take your story further.
It needs to be told and it needs to be told
in the broadest way possible
through as many avenues as possible.
So thank you again.
Thank you, Jeremy.
Chris, sorry, Sebastian.
Good evening, Kathy and Juliet.
And thank you also for your tremendous courage
in telling us your story, which has been quite shocking.
I am aware of the topic with MKUltra
because I did get to read this book here,
which is from Annie Jacobson.
I don't know if you've ever been contacted by her
and what she wrote in this book
about Operation Paperclip or Project Paperclip.
But I would like to ask Juliet,
you do not have a recollection of your childhood.
And I would like to know, is this because of programming
or is this deliberate?
Do you not want to remember this?
And if so,
would you, if you had the opportunity,
would you actually want to return to those memories
or just get, are you over it?
I don't think you ever get over it.
However, I did get back in my memories
and that's what I've written in my book, Sparky,
that Jerome was holding up there.
And I put the information in the chat room
so that you could get a copy of the book.
I took myself back and wrote it as a child.
So it took me two years of basically reliving
all of that horror.
I've never been able to get back earlier
than actually that Dr. White,
whose picture I showed you, Hunter White,
raping my mother when I was four years old
and I was forced to watch.
And he said, if I ever said anything about it,
he would kill my baby brother who was standing there
pulled himself up in his crib and terrified me so badly
that I immediately then started erasing memories.
I got that memory back, but nothing before that.
And I really can't remember my mother at all.
So I think that she was probably very much
as much part of the mind control system as her brother.
It's her brother that was one of the founding members
of the NSA, starting with OSS and Arlington Hall.
And no, I got the memories back.
And the only way I can talk about them
is that I wrote about them.
So as Kathy said, writing it all out
and working through each one
by looking at my own written words.
If I were to suddenly get a new access into memories,
like when I first started remembering
being on the beach in Mexico with Alan Cranston
and living like Lord of the Flies,
I was disabled really for several days,
just going through that and couldn't talk about it.
So it's a slow process and painful process remembering
and the only reason to do it.
And there's a lot of people that won't do it.
There's a lot of people, very successful people
who you would recognize their names who won't do it
because they have no reason to.
They're not compelled to do it.
I was compelled to do it.
And yeah, it's frustrating that it takes so long,
but it does take, it takes me a long time.
I was out of the program in 1966,
although I realized looking back over my life,
I've been interacting with people in the program
for years after that,
and probably wasn't ever entirely out of the program.
So how can I know?
Thank you, Juliette.
Because we're tight with Cathy.
Oh yes, I'm sorry.
If anyone who's with their hand up wants to ask
Cathy specifically something for the next few minutes,
if Juliette can answer the question,
then pass to somebody else.
So Ron, are you for Cathy or Juliette or can you?
I have a question for both.
Should I go ahead and ask?
Go for it.
Okay.
Ask Cathy and then we'll go through
so that we've got to, as for the time, go.
Understood.
Cathy O'Brien, I'm a California Department of Public Health
retiree whistleblower.
I'm going to all the counties telling them
about the danger of the COVID-19 vaccine.
And by the way, it's really an honor to talk to you.
I've read both of your books,
or actually heard both of your books on the audio book.
In sharing with a board of supervisors,
what can you suggest to help break this
vaccines are safe and effective mantra?
Voice inflection, eye contact, any nonverbal cues,
what kind of suggestions can you suggest?
Thank you.
I think everybody needs to understand
that they've been manipulated a long time.
The repetitive media narrative really has a strong impact.
When we understand components of mind control,
we have defense against it.
The media, it promotes the vaccines,
advertisements promote them.
We see them in the various drug stores promoting it.
Big Pharma has had too strong of a reach for a long time.
People need to think free of that.
They've got a long way to go to break free of it.
They could pick up that pen and paper
and make a list of the pros and cons
and research it for themselves.
Instead of relying on what someone else is telling them
to think, they need to start researching
and looking into themselves.
And they'll find very quickly how adverse they are.
That it's a matter of breaking people's programming
because they've been programmed for so long now
to accept them and go for them.
So we just keep bringing that truth out there
and eventually more and more people are gonna wake up.
But yeah, we need them to wake up now
for the children's sake.
Well, I'd want to hold your question
for Julie a bit later.
Dave, have you got a question for Cathy?
Keep your hand up, Ron.
Keep your hand up on the screen.
Dave?
You're muted, Dave.
You mute yourself.
You're muted, Dave.
Okay, move on.
Jim?
Hey, thanks very much.
Cathy, using parasites or toxoplasmosis
or exposure to cats as mind control.
It seems so we're having an explosion of toxoplasmosis
in the United States and damage to the CD3, CD4
and CD8 counts of the virus.
So what's the impact of that?
So we're seeing a lot of damage to the CD3, CD4
and CD8 counts of people through the vaccine.
It seems like this is an indirect mechanism
to get people affected by toxoplasmosis mind control
and then stopping the medications
that treat the toxoplasmosis mind control
like the anti-parasitics, hydroxychloroquine,
ivermectin and nitrozoxinide
as well as the anti-toxoplasmosis medications, daraprim.
Did you have any experience with people trying to arm you
with parasites or any kind of infectious agents
during your issues?
No, what I was exposed to is in my testimony
Transformation of America,
and that you can either read about it
or listen to it on Audible,
but that was involving the AIDS vaccine
and how it was gonna be used as a depopulation agenda.
And it's something that was being imposed on Haiti
at the time.
And those particular black ops that I worked,
I was given an immunity against it.
And so I had the immunity against AIDS
so that I was around that all the time.
What is that immunity?
Why doesn't everybody have it?
Those are things that we need to start demanding answers for
because George Bush knew about it
and Hillary Clinton sure knew about it.
And those are aspects that,
you know, there's so much more known on absolute cures
than we are privy to.
And it's time we get big pharma out of our lives
from destroying it.
And we're able to have the ethics of doctors
and the medical profession like yourself
have the voice to be able to start making
the positive necessary change
so that we have access to what they know about.
Thank you, Jim.
I'd like to contact you later on about that.
Yes.
Thanks, Jim.
Elbit.
Yeah, hi, thank you.
I just wanted to ask a question about the actual trafficking
possibly the international trafficking of people.
In 1998, I was on the island of Saipan
in the North Marianas Islands for a year
working in medical.
So they have these karaoke bars
and they specialized,
the ladies there at these karaoke bars,
they specialized in, you know,
these were the Filipina girls.
This other karaoke place was the Russian girls,
Japanese and Chinese.
So these are like the four.
But I'm wondering, because of all the things
that I saw there on that island,
beautiful island, beautiful people,
but just what we the Americans do on that island,
it now leads me to believe that
is there something going on in the actual trafficking
of the moving of these people?
Because I had met a lot of girls as an example,
like the Filipina girls,
after their year of work was over,
they would either like could re-up and stay or go back home.
But a lot of them then continued on and said,
oh no, I'm gonna go to Japan.
And so I realized, wow, they're like moving.
So my question is kind of resides in that spot.
Like, have you ever heard of anything
about the Marianas Islands chain
of possibly being like a jumping off point
between America and the Asian continent?
Yeah.
It makes sense.
Have you heard about it, Juliet?
I was gonna say, I was gonna suggest that you go research,
look up the International Organization of Migration,
because they are behind moving the people on your islands
and everywhere in the world.
It's the United Nations Agency which handles migration.
It's almost 100% funded with US taxpayer money.
So that's one of the reasons to cut off USAID.
And they brag about, if you go to their website,
they brag about moving 270 million people worldwide
supporting their migration in the last three years.
So they are behind this.
They have multiple headquarters
on the migration routes to the United States.
They're all throughout Mexico.
They have a headquarters, quite a large one facility
in the Darien Gap.
So they manage the migrants that get to Central America
and then up into the Darien Gap
and then manage their passage up to the United States.
So it's all funded by one UN agency.
And I could do a whole two hours
on the International Organization of Migration,
but you should look that up,
because they're the ones largely funding,
government funding these trafficked people
from all over the world.
One other observation on that island,
in 1998, I was there for 10 months.
And all the doctors on the island were Canadians,
all like 99%.
The two that I worked for were the only two,
the first two indigenous doctors from that area,
Dr. Hocog and Dr. Aldon.
We started, and they started Saipan Health Clinic.
And that's what I was there helping them set that up.
But all the doctors were Canadian.
And the light bulb went off, Kathy,
when you said earlier, you just brought up Eli Lilly
and Cyclone B, and it just dawned on me,
wait a minute, why is all the medical establishment people
were Canadians?
And I know, you know, Kenote.
Okay, we're gonna move.
We're gonna leave all that.
So anyways.
And Albert, she did mention,
one of the guests mentioned Pierre Trudeau as well.
So that's a Canadian connection.
Yeah.
All right, just quickly, but Kathy, I know you gotta go,
but we've got Astrid and then Susan,
and then we'll let you go.
Astrid?
Yeah, thank you.
Thank you so much, Charles and Stefan
for making this topic.
And thank you to Katie and Juliet.
I haven't read everything,
but I think you are one of the greatest evidence
and explanation for what is going on behind the scene.
And I'm saying that because my question is about
a deep question I have.
This is, and you said it, a spiritual war against humanity.
And everything brings me to that.
And I just want to mention the vaccination
is not only full of nanotech, aluminum,
and frequency, captation, and et cetera,
but I have worked with exorcists.
And I said, what is in, they wanted to analyze it.
So I brought some vials.
And they came up after three years,
they got a lot of vials to say that
they have made a lot of black magic.
And there are about seven entities in this
and the different entities.
And that they are putting everything they can in that
to turn off the soul and to turn off the light in the soul.
So what you said when you said collect the soul,
that's exactly what he said.
On the other hand, I have also been investigating
not only the UN and I can just confirm Juliet
that it's not only the International Organization
of Migration, it's the United Nations High Commissioner
for Refugees, and it's the whole humanitarian center
that are in Geneva where I am.
And sorry, I did not introduce me.
Astrid Stuckeberger and I'm a WSO whistleblower.
I've worked with the UN, I've worked with WHO,
but I'm also in public health and I have reviewed science
for politicians for UN, et cetera.
So I come to the conclusion that the UN is totally occupied
and has to be dismantled because what you're saying
is exactly it is a corrupt system
and they are doing sacrifices in the CERN.
So I have been also a whistleblower for the CERN
because I investigated and everything is around satanists.
They are opening portals and they want to bring in
entities from other worlds.
It's the chief officer of research in the CERN
who said that when we had the eclipse on 8th of April.
So this question is like, let's dug deep in that.
Who is behind this?
Because you mentioned that your father was also a victim.
So it's a trans-generation problem,
but who is controlling this whole narrative
and what the heck do they want?
Where do they come from?
Because we cannot fight them if we don't know exactly
or at least a bit, and you must know more than anybody,
who they are.
Are they a human species behind?
Is it another type?
David Icke says they are reptilians
and some others say they're exoplanets.
And we have seen interviews of the mother of darkness,
seeing big reptilians behind the queen
and a big dinosaur with big ear for King Charles.
I mean, I don't know what to think about this
because they are doing so much geoengineering to kill us
that it's just like they want to swallow us.
They cannot be human.
So could you just give us a clue on what is really at stake?
It cannot just be Satan against God.
It is something against humans and our-
I think that's the question that we all need to be able
to explore and it begins with reclaiming our free thought
and realizing the resiliency of body, mind and spirit.
That soul is stronger than genetics.
That soul is strong enough.
We have so much inner strength.
We are able to overcome anything that life puts in our path
because what happens to us is not who we are.
Who we are is still within us.
So we have this saving grace
and that is what these perpetrators fear.
It doesn't matter if we call them aliens or demons
or whatever we want to call them.
All I know is that they are very low vibration,
dark negative energy force that feed off of low vibration.
They need to keep us at a low vibration.
They need to keep us in fear, keep us divided,
keep us in hating, keep us in that low negative vibration
because that's what they can feed off.
Well, when we-
Are they going to go extinct?
Are they in extinction?
Well, when we live the love we are,
when we go and we gather all that in the light of truth,
when we have our free thought, our ability to gather
that strength of spirit, we have all the strength.
We have the victory.
We have been blessed and born with that victory
within us all along and they know it.
That's what they fear is that we're going to remember that.
So they try to keep us in this constant state of fear.
And when in fact, it's like when we start living the love
that we are, that vibration is so high
that they cannot affect it.
They are not like us and they do not like us.
We can call them soulless.
We can call them, but whatever we call them,
the fact of the matter is we have all the power
and their darkness cannot creep in on our light.
That's an impossibility.
Our light exposes what they're hiding in their darkness.
So we need to remember who we are and why we're here,
gather that strength of spirit, shine that light,
live the love we are and it's game over on all levels.
We win, they lose.
Charles, I think if Astrid Stuckelberger
and Kathy O'Brien and Juliet Engel would like to present
to us another time and have a conversation on these lines,
that would be really helpful to a lot of people, I think.
I would love to.
Very good.
All right, so thank you, Astrid.
A last question before we let you go, Kathy from Susan.
Yes, I have on the line Stephen Reimer's college classmate
who's been trying to expose the same people
for the last 10 years.
He's working with somebody that's had the same experience.
So I'll let Steve speak now.
Go, Steve.
Stephen, go for it.
I've got something to say for me.
This is a holy shit moment.
We can't hear him.
Hang on, hang on, wait, Stephen.
Oh, can you not hear me?
Go for it.
Well, yeah, okay.
Been in contact with him June of 2015,
then personally got stuck into one of these satanic groups
and asked to call the family.
Managed to, one of the very few who managed to escape
and many of the horror stories about MKUltra,
mind control, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
He's relayed to me.
I've helped him out of the house, helped me be able to
remember many of those memories.
This particular kid was personally,
I say again, personally abused by somebody very high up
in our government at the time
by the name of Vice President Michael Pence.
Pence is dirtier than North Dakota farmland.
Anyhow, got pretty good ideas, spent a lot of time
figuring out how this group is organized.
They work out of a network of churches,
about 3000 churches in the US.
They look like normal churches
and to a casual observer they are,
but there's an underground side,
usually part of Healing Room,
which is a nationwide network
of communication computer links for.
Open up dark stuff.
Just about every community has got one of these.
These people have, at one time,
a lot of our work has eroded some of their ability,
but at one time they had an ability to mobilize
enough followers to pretty much take over
the entire United States on a day's time.
Anyhow, I would love to have a chance
to explain that to the group.
I have a website you can go on if you want to see.
It's called, findmeatbuffy.com forward slash investigator 11.
There's an order chart in there
which you have to be a member to get to,
plus $10 a month,
that shows how this whole group, in my view, is organized.
They're linked to the promulgation of the COVID virus.
When COVID broke out in China,
I was personally talking to one guy up in Washington State
and I asked him what happened.
He said, was that you guys?
He said, that was us.
That's a direct quote.
I had a pretty good idea of how COVID got here
and how it was handled after it was here.
It's a vector for a lot of things.
It interacts with 5G cellular if you do it right.
The 5G cellular network, the COVID thing
was in some degree part of a big enough distraction
to let Verizon get all these super powerful
5G cellular towers up.
They can be up.
All right, come on, Susan.
We've time for time.
Okay, Steve, you've gotta,
why don't you give me your website
because the main speaker has to go.
Susan, it's in the chat.
It's in the chat.
Okay, so thank you, Steve.
We'll follow up.
Thank you, Steve.
We're willing to collaborate in any way,
help write a book, work with you guys,
have Steve on, tell us what you want.
Beautiful, thank you, Susan.
All right, Cathy, I know we have taken you
for a little bit longer.
Is there last comments and then we'll go back to Juliet
after you leave.
Cathy, anything else you'd like to say?
Beautifully, you already said beautiful stuff.
Thank you so much.
Everybody, please note, soul is greater than genetics.
I hope you all noted that.
Soul is greater than genetics.
And those of you who know nothing about soul,
suspend your disbelief.
Thank you, Cathy.
Thank you for your testimony.
Thank you for your bravery.
And again, thank you, Daria,
for organizing Cathy to be here.
So please, we'll have you back again.
There's lots to unpack, but Cathy, you go,
because you're time to time.
Maybe she doesn't want to go now, Charles.
Thank you, Cathy.
God bless.
Thank you.
Maybe she wants to stay now.
She told us she had to go at 90 minutes, Stephen.
Well, 90 minutes was some time ago.
No, it was 17 minutes ago, to be precise.
All right.
Okay, she's gone.
All right, back to Ron with Juliet.
Hello.
Can I say something to...
About what Cathy's saying,
because she just gave us the key to manage all of this.
She just gave...
And it sounds like maybe new age, but it isn't.
When I was a child and we were on the beach
night after night after night in Mexico,
summoning demons, opening portals and summoning demons,
just like they're doing in CERN.
I'm sure this would be in the late 1950s.
We didn't have a hadron collider,
but they were after the human soul.
And they were using spells from the Mein Kampf book
that we can't get copies of,
to summon demons from the ocean, to summon aliens.
They were trying to use the children,
the power of the children, to draw in entities
that they thought would be extremely powerful.
What they found is that they weren't as powerful
as they thought they were going to be.
And what Cathy's saying is if any human being
that can stay in love and in strength
and in contact with the Lord and in their core,
which is what I was always able to do as a child,
I never ever identified MK Eldra as part of me.
It was always something external to me
because I had an internal core that was connected to God.
I had no idea what God was, but I knew it wasn't that.
And so there's the key,
even though we don't know what these creatures are,
I'm convinced they're off planet.
They hate us.
Genocide and destruction of the human race
was part of every lesson of the kids
that were in the MK Eldra group.
We started out with there is no life, basically.
We're taking your soul and you're gonna be a goat.
They had us divided into goats and sheep.
The goats were gonna be the mind control masters
with no souls.
And frankly, they're right there
in the senior executive service.
You can look them up in the plum book.
And the rest are the sheep.
And they have no love or regard for the sheep.
And as far as they're concerned,
the sheep are gonna be slaughtered.
We're gonna move into the goats.
We're gonna move into underground bases
as the planet is sterilized and refitted.
And then what?
I'm not sure.
But that was the textbook.
And I wrote all this down.
I took copious notes from my MK Eldra classes.
But what Kathy says is there's the key,
is learning how to stay in love and not fear.
Beautiful.
Well, beautifully said, Juliet.
Ron, that will be music to your ears, I would have thought.
Yes, it is.
As a man of faith and as a Christian who loved the Lord,
yes, it's all about love, loving God and loving people.
You mentioned in answering Stephen Frost's questions,
something about New California.
Can you expound on that?
Because Julie Threatt and I were asked to speak
at a New California event in California.
In Calais County yesterday.
And are you connected with the New California movement?
Well, they've had me on their program several times
because most of my MK Eldra experience
took place in California.
So I was indoctrinated at Disneyland.
This would be when it opened in like 1956,
55, 56, it was being built.
We were already there in the,
certain retreats, which are now sort of religious centers.
They had annexes or what they would call the safe houses
inside the religious retreats.
They had one annex in a mission in Capistrano.
I mean, it wasn't in the mission itself,
but it was near enough to it that I saw the mission.
So California for me, that was primarily
where my experiences were.
So I've been sharing that on Paul Preston's
New California broadcast.
And California, New California is basically,
I don't know how many 80 counties of California are leaving
and creating a new state.
And they're gonna leave Los Angeles, San Francisco
and San Diego behind.
And it's got a lot of momentum from what I can see.
Julie Threaten, I observed that yesterday.
I don't wanna spend more time
because other people wanna ask questions,
but thank you for appearing for us today.
You're welcome.
Thank you, Ron.
Dave.
Yeah, sorry about, can you hear me okay?
Yep.
So I had a number of quick questions.
MKUltra,
there's a bunch of potential candidates.
I wonder if you're familiar with any of them.
One of them's Louie Mangione.
I am totally convinced that there's something wrong
with that story.
Is this ringing a bell?
Candidate for what?
For being MKUltra products.
Oh, I'm not familiar with them, no.
Okay, Ryan Ruth, the attempted assassin.
Oh, you're talking about,
oh, you're talking about the guy
that shot the United Healthcare?
Yeah.
Exactly.
Yeah, Mangione's the guy who shot the United Healthcare guy.
And then probably, and the, certainly I think Crookes was.
The first, the one who's the patsy for.
Thomas Crookes, yeah, Thomas Crookes looked like it.
For the Butler, Pennsylvania shooting.
I mean, he's just classic.
I know.
But whether it'll get uncovered or not,
well, it already has been uncovered.
I mean, George Webb's reporting on it all the time.
So more interesting one, Kamala Harris.
Oh, she, probably all of the people who are,
anyone that looks soulless to you,
if you've ever met Kamala Harris,
there's nothing there.
Yeah, so there's a woman named Elizabeth Nixon
spelled N-I-C-K-S-O-N,
who is Time Magazine's European head.
So she's not a lightweight in journalism.
And her mother, she found out was a victim
of the McGill Group.
And she literally quit her job
and studied MKUltra for three years.
And she started talking about Kamala showing all the traits.
Someone I know very well, Catherine Austin Fitz.
Someone has told me she was a victim
and I haven't yet asked her
what if this rings a bell?
Yeah.
Okay.
She was, I believe.
And every once in a while,
she says something that's right out of the program.
But she has, she's used it in a very positive way.
Very positive.
I have a question about memories.
This is a tricky thing.
So as you go from having no memories
to having all these memories,
it is notoriously hard to know
when your memories are legitimate
when you've led a normal life,
normal by most people's standards.
And when you're trying to retrieve memories
from such a horrible sort of childhood,
it must be that much more difficult.
Have you ever dug into the challenges that you face?
Because you really could be,
when I listen to Cathy, for example,
I hear a person who simultaneously
went through the trauma that she describes
and now speaks in a language that's very academic
in the sense that it's clear that she's put her memories
in the context of the modern theories of trafficking.
And that kind of blurs the story a little bit.
Do you understand what my point is?
Where else in your trouble,
whether you created a memory or distorted it?
Memories, there's a difference
between memories and something you made up or perceived.
Memories don't change.
And so when I'm remembering being sold by my father,
I remember how the money smelled.
I remember how sweaty I was.
I remember that I was being held faced down
in this smelly sheet,
which I would recognize the smell anywhere.
So there's many more clues rather than just auditory or-
Right, some are too vivid to have been.
Yeah, I know, it just strikes me as a potential problem,
a challenge for someone who's trying to recreate
their past from memories.
Well, I'm trying to tell you.
No, I know, I hear you.
No, you haven't, I haven't answered you yet.
We need to understand, Dave.
We need to understand too.
Yes, I was gonna say that-
Go ahead, Judith.
That there is a technology developed by DARPA
that actually creates memories
because it creates like sounds and visions inside your skull.
And this is a well-known thing that they've done.
So they can create what you would consider false memories.
However, they are, and I've had that done to me.
And I can tell the difference because they're actually,
they're the equivalent of watching something on television
versus something like that experience where I smelled it,
I tasted it, I felt it, it involved my entire body.
And I have total cellular memory of the event.
And certainly in my book, Sparky,
I was drugged a lot of the time.
So the memories are distorted and kind of crazy,
but that's the way it was.
So all I can do is tell you how I experienced something.
And if you read Sparky, you'll know how I experienced it.
And I'm not pretending that I knew all the political things
that were going on or even anything
beyond my little child-sized space.
But I know the difference between what was a memory
and what was told to me or what was inserted,
attempted to insert later.
How old were you, Juliet?
You recall in your memory, how old were you?
I was six when I was sold into the program.
So I start the book Sparky at the age of six.
I was 17 when I escaped from Murphy Hot Springs,
which is now Esalen in Monterey,
and drove myself to the University of Washington,
where I then started my new life.
But in your J.J. Carroll interview,
which I thought was really good,
I thought J.J. Row handled...
Well, J.J.'s been on his own journey,
because when I first started interacting with him,
he was just about the border,
and now his view has expanded dramatically.
But there was a sense that you really started
to retrieve these long lost memories much later in life.
And all of a sudden things were not making...
There were things that were not making sense,
and then the memory started coming back.
I'm just...
It's hard enough for me at 70 to remember stuff,
which admittedly are not as vivid as yours.
Yeah, what about all the drugs you were on, Dave?
Oh yeah, heaven only knows.
So let me ask you another one.
You mentioned the SES in your Carroll interview
that I thought was phenomenally interesting,
but didn't go into detail.
Could you give us a lead into where to read more
about the SES?
Yes, yes, and they have a website as well,
where the SES is Senior Executive Service.
And the MKUltra program supposedly ended
after the Church Commission hearings in Congress in 1976.
It was theoretically discontinued in 77.
I don't believe, of course, that it was,
but that was the official.
They put the dot on it and closed the file
and burned everything.
They destroyed all the records, theoretically.
And then in, I think, 1978, Jimmy Carter signed
the Senior Executive Service into existence,
and suddenly it's populated with all these people
who are then put into high government positions,
moved from agency to agency without any qualifications,
and put in charge.
They're now in charge of 75 government agencies
are headed by SES people who are under control of somebody.
We don't know who.
They cannot be fired.
They get many times the salary
of other people working in projects.
They come in, they disorganize everything.
I've had them come into my projects.
And they just are disruptive.
They're there to make things not work.
So you can look up who these people are.
You can find out the people that Trump tried to fire
in his first time in office
that really should have been fired,
like those guys in the FBI.
Why are they still around?
Why aren't they in prison?
Well, they're SES.
So they cannot be touched.
They cannot be fired.
They're not gonna lose their retirement.
They get million dollar bonuses.
And we're paying for them
while they're working on destroying us.
So you can look them up in the Plum Book.
And somebody just told me there's a new edition
of the Plum Book from like 2024.
That's actually, it's been very hard to use.
They've made it easier to use.
It's Plum, P-L-U-M, book.
And it's called Plum Book because it's a purpley color.
But they also have a website,
seniorexecutiveservice.something.
And they brag about the fact that they run the government.
So is there someone who's written about them
from a less biased view?
No, you don't survive.
No, no, no, you don't talk about them.
You don't survive.
They're extremely dangerous.
So I think it was either you or JJ called them the swamp.
They are the swamp.
The swamp, they are the swamp, yeah.
They are the swamp.
And I believe that's where the MK Ultra graduates
who gave up their souls went.
Because you give up your soul in this process of spinning
and turning to green,
and then you are perpetually rewarded.
You're the singer that can't sing
but sings at the Super Bowl.
You're the movie star that can't act.
You're the government person that runs an agency
without any idea about law enforcement or, you know,
it doesn't matter.
You just get a free ticket to bling money in glory.
Right, okay, thank you.
And there.
Thanks, Dave.
I've got three more questions and then Stephen,
we're finishing in 25 minutes.
Thank you, Dave.
Glenn.
Julius, you explain.
I forgot to turn my audio on.
I'm back on.
All right, so I'm gonna bring up an item
that's in your bio, but you haven't yet mentioned
and to some extent.
So I'm gonna ask you to what degree
it could actually be a key to the solution set,
but also whether or not it not coming up today was in fact,
in part, an agent with paranormal communication mechanisms
attempting to block you from talking about it.
So in your bio, you described the Angel Coalition
and how that went forward to save 70,000 children
in Russian trafficking.
And that you're now looking to start the angels over America
to presumably try to do the same thing
with the over 100,000 children that are trafficked
across the US every year.
Could you describe more around that approach
and other people you're working with to move that forward?
Because that's the kind of thing that I think can encourage
people that are sitting on a sideline and kind of watching,
not getting involved to know that all the children
around them are being attacked, killed and tortured
with sexual trafficking.
Yes, and RFK Jr. just announced that they're gonna go trace
down the 300,000 that were brought into the United States
and disappeared last year.
So these are trafficked into the United States.
We don't even know where from, but this is for me,
this is the key question.
Since I've been back in the United States since 2010
and trying to raise awareness of child trafficking,
trying to get the same kind of motion going
that I was able to do in Russia, it's dead.
There is nothing here.
There's no energy about it.
There's no response.
Government doesn't care.
Law enforcement just threatens me.
Which is why I dug into my own memories and wrote
the painful stories of my own experience
to try and get this out.
But it's mind control.
The whole country is mind controlled.
There's no reason that a population would accept
the extinction pressures on its own children.
I mean, this celebrating abortion,
celebrating pedophilia, celebrating,
I mean, the United Nations has already passed
a resolution in the International, the ICJ,
International Court of Justice,
to make pedophiles a protected population.
So that if the United States and Congress
is considering legislation that would make it illegal
to prosecute pedophiles or even mention them.
So we are that far to promoting our own extinction
by ignoring this problem that as you said,
100,000 of our children are being trafficked
and taken into programs and abused
and turned into adrenochrome and all these awful things.
And 300,000 foreign children are being brought in.
So I mean, we're turning into a sacrificial machine
to destroy our own species.
This is terribly, terribly wrong.
I didn't understand it until COVID,
until the entire population bought this ridiculous vaccine
and it just, and the science is out there,
the information is out there that in the 1970s,
medicine rejected mRNA is unreliable,
dangerous and only good for bio weapons.
That's all out there.
I mean, anybody can find that.
So why?
Because we are mind controlled.
Beautiful, thank you, Glenn.
Could I just tell her about the group
that's launching tomorrow?
So there's a group going through five cities in May.
Their program name is MaydayUSA.co.
Their first launch point is tomorrow in New York City,
then Miami, Houston, Seattle,
and it ends up on May 31st in LA, Hollywood Boulevard.
The center of all of it.
So if that program could really get ramped up
and including you in with it would be tremendous.
Thank you.
Yes, please stay in touch with me
and also you should be connected with New California
if you're not.
I'm not, thank you.
So Glenn, can you put that link into the chat, please?
Yes, I'll do it right now.
All right, and Juliet, have you been able to get
all right and Juliet, have you put your,
you're happy for your email to be in the chat
so people can contact you with suggestions
and the like, I'm sure.
Yes, I put it in there and I'd be glad to do
interviews and talk about this
because I think it is the issue of our time.
Charles, I think it's worth drawing attention
to what Juliet said then.
And I agree with her, I didn't understand it.
She meant mind control until COVID.
COVID was a mind control operation.
Absolutely, so we discovered that through Jason Kristoff
and others, Mathias Desmet and David Sherall-Ambus
in London, but we didn't know, I didn't know the detail,
the MKUltra and I don't think many other people did.
So we did have somebody talking about mind control,
but they didn't know much about MKUltra.
And that's the importance of your testimony
and Cathy's testimony, Juliet.
And in different ways, you're both very good
at explaining things.
All right, Sebastian, then Jim, then Stephen.
Yeah, Juliet, I have two quick questions.
There is a documentary out on one of the streaming services
about Frank Olson, his son is actually in this series.
Did you ever get to hear about that story, meet him,
or were you ever confronted by him?
Well, he was an adult when I was like a teenager,
but his story is actually covered
in the National Archive documents
because he was the death they couldn't hide.
Killing children, they could hide that, killing,
especially immigrant children that were brought in.
Oh, and something that's really interesting here
is that in the mid 19th or the early 1960s,
someone wrote a note to someone else,
I think it was George Hunter writing to his superiors
in the CIA that they had to stop, they had to think about,
they were killing too many American citizens
and damaging too many American citizens.
He said, sooner or later,
some of these kids are gonna grow up in Suez
because like people like me,
we have rights under the Bill of Rights,
but foreign children brought in have no rights.
So in the 1960s, early 1960s is when they started
bringing in kids from all over the world.
And when I had to participate in snuff films
and other Saturn alias and other sacrificial episodes,
and by the way, the 2012 Olympics opening ceremony,
there's the Saturnalia.
So if you can watch that, that's what that was.
And anyway, but they killed children,
but they didn't kill American children anymore.
So, because we could grow up in Suez.
And my other question is you mentioned,
or one of you mentioned that there were rituals
in the book Mein Kampf.
Do you know by any chance what passage that would be?
And what type of rituals were these?
These were long studied rituals
that were sort of the basis for the Nazi ideology,
the belief that they could create God as a man, as a God,
as a man as a God,
that it was possible to defeat God and take over.
But as an adult, I haven't seen a copy of the book.
I can't find a copy of the book.
I know that the copy that was translated into English by,
yes, but that won't be the full book.
See how many words are in that.
Can you read German?
No, no, I can't.
I can read Russian, but I can't read German.
And even the German copies,
I've looked at copies that cost up to $1,200
and they still aren't the full size of the book.
And that was what the lawsuit was based on
when Hitler sued Cranston,
when he translated incorrectly what Hitler had written,
he left out 200,000 words.
So I can't find anyone that has a,
we don't have the real book
and maybe we shouldn't have it.
Maybe we shouldn't ever read these things
and study these things.
Because from what I remember on the beach,
although I was a child and drugged,
there was some pretty scary stuff
and involved communicating extra dimensionally
and extraterrestrially.
And whether it was real or not, I can't say, I don't know.
They believed in us.
Sebastian, do you have a second question?
Was that it?
That was the second question, thanks Charles.
Yeah, thank you, Sebastian.
All right, Jim then Stephen.
Hey, thank you.
The same question that I asked before about
the parasites as a mind control and antidotes,
the HIV moiety GP120
is inside the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.
So it only comes alive if the ACE2 attaches
and dissociates in the wild type allegedly,
and possibly in the plasmids.
So this is, it certainly looks like it's
mind control via the shots and then parasite activation,
parasite anti-parasitic hydroxychloroquine,
anti-parasitic ivermectin, anti-parasitic melatonin,
anti-parasitic nitrozoxanide, all blocked from use.
What are your thoughts on the real treatments
for these mind control mechanisms as a physician?
And do you have any idea what they were actually using
in Ms. O'Brien to prevent her from getting HIV
and things like that?
No, but I don't.
And the only way we can do that is to subpoena DARPA.
They know all this.
They have this information.
I live about three miles
from the National Institutes of Health.
It's a huge complex on like two acres, multiple buildings,
all of these centers completely blocked off.
You can't get in there.
You can't, it's an entity unto itself.
And if you could get in there,
you could access their computer logs
and get this information.
They have it.
They don't want us to have it.
And-
What about DTRA, Defense Threat Reduction Agency?
Do you know anything about that
and their supercomputer systems?
They exist, yes.
And so the information is at their fingertips.
So, and that's another exciting thing about this archive
because it's the first time there's been an admission
that these things even happened.
So, you know, I'm not a lawyer.
I'm not familiar with what rights, you know,
we have to get this information
because they would in the past just simply deny it.
Now you can't.
You can't deny that this happened
and that these people were doing these things
and that we need to know more about it.
And have you worked with Warner Mendenhall, Todd Callender,
or some of the other lawyers in terms of telling them
what questions they need to ask
and who they need to subpoena,
especially for these lawsuits that are going forward
because they seem to be being blocked as well.
What are your thoughts on working with these lawyers?
What have you done so far?
What would you like to do?
Well, I'm just about to meet Todd Callender.
So we'll start talking about it.
As I said, I didn't know about these documents
until two months ago.
And it's very hard for me to read through them.
I'm very slow and it keeps, you know,
dredging up my own experiences.
So it's a real chore to get through them.
But I understand the significance.
I know what it means.
And yeah, I'll be talking to everybody I can.
And getting out, and you mentioned names of people
getting out of the program and then helping others
like Catherine Austin Fitz.
How does one get out of the, I guess you just leave,
you walk out, how do you survive?
And how do we get other people out of the program
and then get information from them?
I think people are starting to realize
I'm getting contacted all the time
by people who can't remember their childhood.
There's your clue number one.
And are people who are just starting to remember things
that are just so bizarre, they think they're going mad.
And so I always tell them, you know,
what's coming is gonna affect every aspect of your life
and everyone around you.
So you need to be extremely protective of yourself
and have a good support group around you.
Otherwise you just come completely unglued
because there is a suicide program written into this.
Anyone that starts to remember triggers the suicide program.
And I nearly did it.
And I think that many, many people do.
And I think the 27 Club, you know,
where all these singers and entertainers
commit suicide at the age of 27.
I mean, I was triggered at 27.
I'd been out of the program for 10 years,
but suddenly I started having, you know,
the urge to commit suicide
and having these strange dreams and memories
of what they call the freedom train.
And so it's in there.
So people that start to come out of it have to be aware
that they're gonna be at high risk of suicide
for unexplained reasons or other behaviors.
Like if they were trained as assassins,
it might trigger that.
So getting people out of it
is gonna be extremely difficult.
Suicide, specifically the issue of increased suicide
due to toxoplasmosis.
Documented numerous documentation
about toxoplasmosis causing suicide.
The antidote, you're a physician,
the antidote to toxoplasmosis is called,
one of them is called daraprim, pyrimethamine.
Daraprim Pharma Bro, Martin Shkreli
took the price of daraprim up to $750 a pill.
Remember that?
That's for toxo.
He went to jail, but the toxoplasmosis medication
still remains up at $750 a pill.
That seems to be an intelligence operation
to keep the price of this,
one of the antidotes for this mind control parasite,
toxoplasmosis high, and then preventing us
from getting the next best is nidazoxanide, it seems,
which the price of that is actually $1,000 as well
per six pills.
Anyway, thoughts on that and thoughts on,
have you ever used it and have you ever used it successfully
on undoing the suicidality
through an MK-Ultra program, D-Tenney?
No, I was in Russia working with an underground railroad
and doing anti-trafficking work,
so I have not done the medical aspects of any of this.
I think the Pharma Bro guy was definitely an MK-Ultra plant,
and I think his whole scheme was deliberate.
I noticed that he wasn't in jail for more than a few months,
so I wonder if he's in the Plum Book.
And I'll make the observation, Jim,
Jim, you're ignoring what Cathy said, okay?
Soul is greater than genetics.
Therefore, soul is greater than all of this toxicity.
True.
So don't discount that.
I don't buy anything from anybody in this room.
No, I don't, but as a physician,
one of the things people rely on is medication appropriately.
No, as a physician.
See, you're now reverting back to say,
oh, there's only one way to do this.
Michelle Perrow mentioned links in here for homeopathics.
Soul is greater than genetics.
Therefore, it's greater than all toxicity.
Okay, let's go to, let's thank, but great point to raise,
and one of the things I take, I've been talking about,
I take large quantities of vitamin C to help my body.
If I could access my soul's ability,
I wouldn't need any of this vitamin C.
All right, let's go to Stephen,
because we've only got 10 minutes left.
So, Julia, thank you so much for speaking to us tonight,
and I can hear the pain in your voice sometimes.
And Cathy, you said you thought
had processed things better than you,
and maybe that's reflected in your testimony,
because your testimony is kind of, as I see it anyway,
the raw memories, and I think her testimony,
is possibly the kind of testimony you gave
after you've been deprogrammed, or, you know,
had treatments, extensive treatments,
which has worked in the sense
that she feels a lot better than she did, I think.
But I do understand what, I think Dave Colum was talking,
so he's a professor of chemistry at the Naive League University,
and I think that he was talking about
memories and perceptions.
So perceptions are not quite the same as memories,
as I understand it. Is that what you're saying, Dave?
I'm not sure what I'm saying, because I,
what the phrase I once heard is that we reach a point
where we remember memories.
And so, I have this vivid memory,
and I'm speaking of a normal person.
I'm speaking of a person who hasn't been through trauma.
I don't understand the trauma world at all.
But the neuropsychologists say that it's,
that memories do get distorted with time,
and I was sort of trying to get at the point of
retrieving memories that have been really blocked out,
must be a whole different world.
And I think you were making the point that
Cathy was using language, which, yeah, okay.
So you can hear it.
So let's say you start having these memories,
and you start digging into why.
It turns out you put your memories
into this intellectual framework.
Absolutely, that's what I understood you were saying.
And so then you're at the risk of,
you're at risk of the framework dictating
the memory if you're not careful.
I understand that.
Yes, I understand.
The way it happens is that when you break down that,
you'll start seeing like hints when,
after I talked to JJ in that interview, that long interview,
I was already, while I was sitting there talking to him,
I was starting to see the beach at Rosarita.
I was starting to remember being naked on the beach
and all the color of, I got very, very dark.
My hair was all matted with salt.
They actually had to shave it off eventually.
And then when my parents came to pick me up,
because they dropped me off,
left me there for two weeks to a month,
I don't know how long, and they took me back to California.
I was dressed white people in a car with a little kid
who's naked and looks like a Mexican.
And that's what I remembered.
I remembered my fear of the only clothes I had on.
I had on my father's shirt.
So he didn't have a shirt.
So he was driving without a shirt
and they took me across the border.
And of course, we were stopped by border control
and the border patrol guy looked at me and said,
who's that?
And my father turned around and looked at me
like he had never seen me before in his life.
Neither one of my parents could remember my name
or my birthday or anything about me.
So I remember that horrifying moment
when I realized that they might just leave me there.
And that's when almost,
I think that's the moment I became an adult
because I started talking like an adult.
I identified myself.
I gave my birthday.
I gave their birthdays.
I gave our, I just talked my way out of it
and they took my parents out of the car.
So I had that memory, but the rest of it
as to why I was there, who I'd been with
or who those people were or what that book was,
that came when I got that visceral,
horrible memory of being stuck at the border
and thinking they were gonna leave me there.
So that was a memory.
So and assembling the name of the book
or who the people's names were,
I remember the people, but it took,
that takes some construction.
So you have to start digging and constructing
and who was there, what was the name of the place and that.
So there's both going on.
Does that answer the question?
Well, it kind of does.
Actually, Annika Lucas did a podcast with Patrick Bette David
and she was handled by David Rockefeller,
but it never said so.
And Patrick Bette David somehow pieced together
that conclusion and pressured her.
And she got very upset
because she didn't wanna say the name
and then she said the name
and you could see it was really distressing for her.
But in her narrative, she also talked about
how she didn't know who it was,
but she was surrounded by Rockefeller
and his servants and everything.
And I was having trouble picturing
how you would exist so much with David Rockefeller
and not know his name was David Rockefeller.
That was the thing I do.
Okay, that's what I'm,
I'm just trying to understand how the memory works.
So I'm just, it's an interesting neuropsychological problem
is how we retrieve and things like that.
Well, if she was told repeatedly,
if she ever said his name, she'd be killed
or family would be killed, she'd be tortured.
You could block that very specifically,
but you can't block the memory of large forms around you.
Right, right.
And so I could get to that,
but then getting to the specifics.
Juliet, when you were coming back from Mexico
with your parents,
three weeks after they left you on the beach,
is that correct?
Or in Mexico, you were coming back
and you got to border control
and the border control people said, who's that?
You were looking like a Mexican
because you'd been on the beach for three weeks
as I understand it.
And your parents presumably didn't look Mexican.
So the, how did your parents answer that question?
How did your father, he didn't.
He didn't.
He like pretended he'd never seen me before in his life.
Well, why would he do that?
Because then, okay.
So how did the border agent let you into America then?
I identified myself, I identified them,
I identified our address.
I was seven years old,
but I was more mature than they were
in a lot of ways in my mind.
So if you're seven years old, Juliet,
and the border guard's asking your father
and he says he doesn't know who the seven year old girl
in the back of the car is wearing his shirt,
isn't that gonna get him into trouble in his mind?
They took him out of the car
and they took my mother out of the car.
They were gone for quite a while.
And then we were allowed to go back and that's all I know.
I imagine some phone calls were made.
And since I was in Mexico
with high level politicians from California,
I imagine some calls went through and...
And...
Very good.
Thank you so much for answering that question.
So I didn't, you said I didn't understand it,
i.e. the mind control until COVID.
Could you briefly explain what you meant by that?
Well, the whole COVID thing when it started,
I thought, well, this'll be nothing.
And the look people would get when even talking about it,
the sort of starry eyed look,
sort of like they used to get when talking about Obama,
you know, like, oh, you know, there's a difference.
They like switched into something else.
And when the vaccine started and it was based in mRNA,
and I explained to all my friends what mRNA was
and why you shouldn't take it and cytokine storms
and all these protein shedding and all these things that...
And I had all the literature and everything.
Nobody listened.
My own family wouldn't listen.
And it just grew on me
that clearly the entire population,
or at least everyone that has taken this vaccine,
is mind control.
They've been trained to do this.
They've been taught to do this.
They've been programmed to do this.
And they're killing themselves.
And that this is the genocide agenda.
It was clear to me.
And I realized I've got to remember my own MKL for training.
I've got to remember what they said and what they did.
And it was all about genocide.
From the beginning.
But the point is about that.
If they're mind controlled, Juliet,
you understand that actually they've lost their mind.
They've lost their soul.
And this is really important for people to understand
because the perpetrators have to be held to account
for what happened in 2020.
So my next question is the finishing question.
Does Trump know about this?
And if he doesn't know about it,
how can we get this to him?
But without giving too much away.
I don't know if he knows.
Sometimes he says one thing, he sounds like one thing.
And sometimes he says another.
Some people have told me they've talked to him about this,
but I don't know because I haven't.
Right.
I don't know.
I think that RFK might be the one actually to talk to.
That he might be more.
Hmm.
Yeah.
Because he's actually interested in the-
I think both.
The thing about Trump that's very interesting
is that nobody knows what's going on in his head
about anything.
And that's his big strength.
That's why he's a brilliant negotiator
and why he can do all these deals as he puts it.
I do believe that he's capable.
He's also very good at connecting with people.
He's extremely polite to people who are far,
obviously he's the president of the United States,
but far less powerful than him.
He's extremely polite and he knows how to be nice to people
and get on the right side of them.
And that's a real skill.
But he's also brilliant at not giving his,
what he knows away.
So you never know what he knows.
And that's also important because at the right time
he may speak out about anything
and that keeps people on their toes.
So I'm not saying that I expect him to save all of us,
he gives people hope around the world.
And at the moment I think he's authentic.
I haven't, he makes mistakes, but we all make mistakes.
He gets the MRNA wrong, the AI wrong, he gets Gaza wrong.
But overall he's done great things
and diversity and equity and inclusion is one of those.
And the trans thing is another.
I think that he would be open to hearing your testimony,
Juliette and Kathy's.
Well, I think one of the most positive things he's done
is end USAID because that's how they were funding all this.
Yes, I agree.
And maybe he knew that.
Yeah, of course he knew that.
That tells me he did know it because IOM is-
All right.
Our time is up and great question to close, Steven
and Juliette, thank you so much for being with us
for two and a half hours.
Again, I criticize you like I do,
many of my guests that you should have gone
to the toilet by now, so you're not drinking enough water.
So drink more water, okay?
And on behalf of all of us, thank you.
The information you've shared is so important.
Each one of us, we must do what each one of us sees
needs to be done.
So there's not, doesn't need a group action.
Whatever any one of us can do to promote this.
And I'm really struck, but I'm involved
in three organizations, anti-trafficking,
and I'm struck Juliette by your great work over in Russia
to then get no energy on this topic
when you found in America.
So that's salutary for us to understand.
It reinforces the message that these tentacles go deep
and our job now that we know it is to do something with it.
So let's get on the job everybody.
Thank you, Steven.
Thank you, Juliette.
Please pass on to, we always thank Cathy.
So we'll get the recording to you
and we will have this up within 12 hours on the site
and share these messages everybody, Juliette.
Charles, I sent you the link to the archive.
I emailed it to you.
I put that into the chat already.
Yes, okay, great.
Charles, I just want to tell Astrid
that I'll be in contact with her.
So she could look out for her emails.
Okay, Astrid, I'll take note.
Yes, I will look into it.
Thank you for telling me.
Thank you so much.
That's good.
Okay, thanks everybody.
Can we get the chat?
Thanks everybody.
Go to the Tom Rodman group,
those of you who have unlimited time
and we'll see you again next Tuesday.
Charles, Astrid is asking whether she can get the chat.
I was trying to download the chat, but I can't.
So there are lots of links there.
If you send me an email, I'll get it to you.
Oh, okay, thanks so much.
All right, thanks Juliette.
Great job.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
And you got 30 years of work ahead of you, Juliette.
So don't you dare think of retirement.
I'm not suicidal.
Juliette, this must have been really difficult for you.
Were we better or worse than you thought?
Beforehand, I mean.
I've actually looked at some of your recordings
that I got from Daria.
So I knew that you were wonderful.
Aha, that was taking a compliment.
Thank you.
Well.
Thank you.
Stop there, we're winning, Stephen, we're winning.
That's very nice.
That's how you were hit.
Thank you.
All right, we're going.
Bye everybody.
Bye, God bless everyone.
Happy May. God bless.
Thank you.