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So everybody welcome to today's meeting of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
This group was started over four years ago by Stephen Frost, a British trained medical doctor
with a passion for truth as a seasoned whistleblower and activist. Stephen founded this group to champion truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health in the face of global challenges.
At this time we remember Ryan, a Formic lawyer, Arno van Kessel lawyer, both currently in jail unlawfully from the government's behaving badly.
I also bring to your attention Buttonheart Bear, whose job is to help prevent the trafficking of children.
And as we heard last week's Sunday night's meeting or Sunday's meeting for some of you or Monday's meeting for some of you,
children are effectively being trafficked by being indoctrinated with transgender ideology.
They're being mentally trafficked prior to being trafficked for other purposes.
Buttonheart Bear, I'll put the link in, Freedom Now movement is about gaining freedom for all children.
I'm Charles Coviss, your moderator. I'm Australasia's passion provocateur.
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I spent 20 years as a lawyer and I shifted gears 32 years ago to become a professional speaker for the past 14 years of guided parents and lawyers in addressing vaccine injuries and medical failures.
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This group is a blend of professions from all around the world, not just doctors.
Many of us once viewed vaccines as benign. Now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers. That includes me.
I say again, I have yet to meet a family who refused to vaccinate their children in accordance with government schedules, who regrets that decision.
In other words, people who refuse to vaccinate their children have far healthier children.
I urge everybody to watch the documentary by Adele Bigtree, An Inconvenience Study, available at www.aninconveniencestudy.com.
The evidence is overwhelming. The vaccines have done nothing good and have never been proven to be safe and effective.
We're in the thick of a global struggle. It's World War III with medical and scientific battles among 12 battlefronts.
Another battlefront is the spiritual battlefront. And before we came on, we were having a talk about the spiritual battlefront.
We're five and a half years into this fight with at least two more years to come. So we're up for the fight.
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We'll hear from our guest presenter today, Dr. Sean Ling, who I will introduce in a moment, followed by Q&A, per tradition.
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So we're thrilled to welcome our guest presenter today, Sean Ling. And let me tell you about Sean.
How do you pronounce your official first name, Sean, just so we can practice our Chinese speaking?
Xiao Xu.
Xiao Xu, Sean Ling, we'll call him Sean for this purpose, but thank you for the education, is the executive director of the New York based think tank, Consilium Institute.
He's the co-founder of the Chinese Communist Party, the CCP Bio Threats Initiative, and also a member of the Committee on Prison Danger China.
Sean received his PhD in microbiology and immunology from the University of Alabama at Birmingham and master of international relations from Syracuse University.
Sean served in the US Army for nine years as an enlisted soldier and commissioned officer working on preventive medicine, global infectious diseases, surveillance and vaccine development.
Sean also served at the board of Pan Pacific American leaders and mentors and other community organizations.
He's a longtime advocate on Chinese human rights and religious freedom issues and was a survivor of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
He's also the senior advisor for the World Organization to Investigate the Persecution of Falun Gong.
Sean, can you put that organization link into the chat, please?
That's the W-O-I-P-F-G. Sean is a frequent commentator on political and public health issues on many media outlets.
Sean, wonderful to have you and thank you again, Stephen Frost, for starting this group.
OK, thank you very much. Actually, the link is upho.justice.org.
Let me put it on there.
Yeah, just type that in there. Upho.justice, is it?
Yeah, upho.justice.
Beautiful.
Sean, so you know China very well. I've noticed that many, many people, especially those who've worked in China, seem to be apologizing for the Chinese Communist Party, essentially.
They apologize for China, but essentially they're apologizing for the Chinese Communist Party.
And so I wonder whether you know China extremely well from the inside.
And so if you could point out things which are important for us in the West to understand about China, that would be extremely helpful,
because somehow or other, it seems to be the case that people are making excuses for the Chinese Communist Party and its totalitarian vision, should we say.
OK, well, thank you very much for. Let me have this opportunity to present to everyone.
And let me first start from my own personal experience talking about China.
I was actually born in Fuzhou city in Fujian province in China.
So that's Fujian province right facing Taiwan, across the Taiwan Strait.
So my family, my grandfather was actually a military doctor belonging to the KMT political party.
They were defeated and then we withdrew to Taiwan.
So he separated with my family, my father, my grandma for 36 years.
And only until 1986, he finally found the family again in mainland China.
So from very young, I understand that the family suffering due to the political pressure from the Chinese Communist Party.
So unfortunately, my father couldn't go to universities because of his father, still in Taiwan.
And then the big awakening for me was actually the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.
So at that time, 1989, I was a freshman at Zhejiang University in Anzhou.
So at the end of May 1989, I went to Beijing to join a big protest in Beijing.
So the massacre happened on the night of 1989 June 3rd and entered into the dawn of the June 4th.
And so I was with the last group of students who withdrew from the Tiananmen Square massacre.
The decision to withdraw from the Tiananmen Square massacre because throughout the evening,
we already heard so many news that the People's Liberation Army opened fire on their way entering Tiananmen Square.
The military was actually marching from the west part of Beijing all the way into the center of Beijing, the Tiananmen Square massacre.
So they already opened fire when no many civilians got killed.
So the student leadership finally decided to withdraw from the Tiananmen Square massacre.
But even before we withdrew Tiananmen Square, the PLA already opened fire.
So we hear the bullets hitting the monument.
I was with the group sitting near the monument.
So you can hear the bullets hitting the monument very clearly.
And then we had to withdraw.
And then many students were actually staying in a tent.
They did not want to withdraw because they still hoped the Chinese government won't kill the students.
And many people, very young students, you know.
So fortunately, I withdrew.
But on my way heading back to Tsinghua University, my friends living there.
So when we crossed the China Strait, there was one moment a tank passing by.
And so a young student was scared.
So he fell down on the street.
So the tank actually stopped intentionally rolling back, crushed his skull.
And it was totally petrifying.
All the students around there, we were shocked.
And so fortunately, the soldier didn't came out of the tank to shoot at us.
And he just drove away.
He killed one student and then just rolled away.
And so we were shocked.
And when we got closer to take a look at the whole skull, it's just like a piece of paper on the ground.
You know, it was a very horrible experience to talk about this.
So then later on, we scared.
We ran in north.
And then later on, we actually encountered some soldiers throwing tear gas at us.
So I had to hide.
And then eventually we made it back to the Tsinghua University campus.
And then even in the campus, we saw some student bodies being taken back to the campus.
And my friends in the Tsinghua University were saying that just one night, some classes lose one third of the students.
So these Tianhe Meisuan massacre, you know, it's a big awakening call for me.
In the past, you know, because of student movement, we understand the party is corrupted.
You know, that's why the student movement started.
We understand that.
But to see a dictatorship can kill innocent civilians, especially students, you can understand it.
It has no moral boundary.
It can do anything in order to maintain its power.
So that's, I think, a fundamental thing we need to understand globally.
That the Communist Party had never changed.
It's not like Eastern Europe.
It's not like the former Soviet Union.
And they strongly hold on to their powers and use in any ways that they can.
And so even after the 1989 massacre ended, even after the initial international boycott,
the Communist Party decided to switch their positioning in a global stage.
So they tried to pretend they are now more open.
Now they try to focus on economic development.
They will have an opportunity to turn into a democracy if the Western society tried to re-engage them.
And they open the market, they welcome international investment.
So this is all part of the strategy that Deng Xiaoping initiated.
So his strategy is to try to hide the tiger's strength in his own words.
He's trying to hide the strength so that you play to be humble to the international society and the welcome investment.
And then he directs the whole society to temporary focus on economic development without any political reform.
Let's make Chinese society, in a sense, very weak.
Because people can get rich in different ways, but the morality of society just drives so fast.
Because the government did not encourage people to involve any local governments or central governments like politics.
They only want people to think about making money, try to survive, make your life better.
So in that way, they're rejecting civil society engagement in the governance.
So the government is still tightly controlled by the Communist Party and they never change.
So this is one fundamental aspect the Western society needs to fully understand.
The Communist Party has never changed.
So even after the last 34 years, so-called economic reform opened the door, but it never changed.
And they become more disguised.
And then another my lifetime experience that further let me understand the demonic nature of the Communist Party is the persecution of Falun Gong.
So in the late 90s, I started to practice Falun Gong when I already in the United States.
I was a graduate student at University of Alabama, Birmingham.
And to me, Falun Gong was a simple meditation practice for holistic improvement for both mind and body.
So you talk about fundamental value of truth and its compassion and tolerance.
And before 1999, in China, I reached hundreds of millions of people practicing it.
So in the United States, I also got a chance to learn it.
Actually, my friends went back to China to bring up a book for me and I just read it and I started to practice it.
So it was a shock for me that the Communist Party cannot even tolerate people doing meditation to improve their health.
So from July 1999, the Chinese Communist Party has launched a systematic crackdown against Falun Gong.
So in year 2000, when my father was sick in China, I went back to China to see him.
But I was actually arrested at the airport.
I was surprised at the time because I didn't know I was actually blacklisted.
After the persecution study, I did join the Falun Gong practitioners to protest in Washington, D.C.
to work in Congress in order to lobby the United States government's support in the urge China to stop the persecution.
But I didn't know I was actually blacklisted by the Chinese government.
So when I went back to China, I was arrested in a custom in an airport and then sent into a detention center.
So fortunately, my father was a local high school principal.
He had students in the public security departments.
So fortunately, I was only put into detention for a few days and then released to house arrest.
But even in that kind of situation, I started to see that many practitioners suffered a lot inside China.
And I was fortunate to be rescued back to the United States because of the rescue campaign initiated in the United States.
So both congressmen and senators from Alabama actually got the support letters and they sent it to the State Department.
And the State Department sent a letter to China's Foreign Affairs.
And then they sent a letter down to my province.
They were shocked.
My wife and I were just graduate students in the United States and they were surprised to trigger such a response from the United States.
So we were released back to the United States.
But this whole experience in China, being detained by the Chinese Communist Party, when they took all your freedom away.
At the time I saw it, I probably lost all my future because I would be in jail for a long time.
So when you had that moment, you're losing everything.
I realized that the Communist Party is not just a dictatorship.
It's very demonic. It's against people's spiritual life.
And it's true.
The last 26 years of persecution, I see more and more stories about Falun Gong practitioners being tortured, killed, organ harvested inside China.
Then you realize the Communist Party not only did not change their nature, it's actually also manifesting their demonic nature more aggressively.
Because the killing, the torture of Falun Gong is one thing, but at the same time they aim to destroy people's spirituality.
They aim to change people's minds, their will.
So in the Chinese detention center, in the labor camp, they always ask Falun Gong practitioners to sign a pledge.
They will give out the pledge. If you don't sign a piece of paper to pledge you, give out the pledge, they will torture you all the way and even kill you and many practitioners will actually organ harvest it.
So everything is actually like you can make a dramatic difference if you're willing to sign a paper that quits my spiritual belief.
It sounds ironically easy, right? You just sign the paper. You can do meditation back home.
But no, the Communist Party just wants you to betray your own will, betray your own spiritual belief so that you become a wicked person in nature.
You betray your beliefs and then in that way they will further transform you to become a lawyer to the Communist Party.
Some people are actually turning to like praising the Communist Party for the crackdown policy or things like that.
So it's a very wicked transformation. Actually this whole process in Chinese terms is called transformation.
Can I ask you a question? A crucial question. Were you a US citizen at the time you were arrested in China? That's all.
Pardon?
Were you a US citizen at the time?
No, no. I was just a Chinese citizen with a student visa for US study.
So you had a green card or not a green card?
I don't have a green card at the time.
You don't have one now even?
No, I'm a US citizen now.
But not at the time of Tiananmen Square, I see.
Yeah, not at the Tiananmen Square massacre. I was there in China in 2000.
And not when you were arrested.
Okay, keep going. Keep going, Sean.
Yes, but that needed to be clarified, Charles.
Okay, you've clarified it.
Yeah, thank you for making it clear.
After the persecution of Falun Gong, I think I understand this is a spiritual war against the Communist Party.
It's not just a regular battle to overthrow a dictatorship.
So I think the Communist Party has a very systematic way to transform people's minds, their will, their spirituality.
I think that's fundamental.
And now you see the Communist Party have pretty much waging wars against all religions in China.
So underground Christians, whether Buddhist and Tibetan Buddhist or the Uyghurs,
they basically want people to give up their own spiritual lives so that they can follow Communist Party leadership.
And nowadays with the digital dictatorship, it's even more tight control.
So everything is aimed at transforming people's mind nature and then ruining the civilization.
And I think in the Western society, they're just using different tactics.
They use the long march in the systems, right?
So using the so-called useful idiots in the Western society
so they can have planned these people in the education system, in the journalist industries, in academia,
so they can transform the different generations in the Western society.
So they can gradually transform your mentality.
And they want people to stick to atheisms and then they instigate different extreme cultures so that they can manipulate culture.
So overall, I think the communism is the enemy of the whole civilization.
It's not just the Chinese people.
It's actually the enemy of the whole civilization that we all have to face.
We all have to win this battle together.
That's how I feel.
You know, after I experienced the massacre, experienced 26 year persecution of Falun Gong.
So I haven't been back to China for the last 26 years now, 25 years now.
But I still understand that so many Falun Gong petitioners are suffering tremendously inside China.
Millions of people suffer tremendously, not just because of torture, not just because they lose job, lose family support.
But many of them are in great danger because the Communist Party has,
in a certain sense, they intensify their skills, they improve their skills in controlling society as well as control people's lives.
So with the technology development, they are more capable in tighter surveillance of society as well.
With the advancement of biotech knowledge, they have better ways to so-called full utilization of human bodies.
And so organ harvesting is just one manifestation of how they want to kill the people, make profit from their organs.
And by there are other ways they want to use the technology to conduct additional genetic editing and other developing dangerous bioweapons in order to compete with the Western society.
So there are many ways they are more sophisticated, more disguised, more mature in many aspects.
And so I think the world is facing a big challenge.
Absolutely.
All right, Sean, that's your starting story?
Yeah, that's my starting story.
Beautiful.
So thank you.
I've written down that quote.
I think that's, you know, we've had presenters here who say how wonderful China is.
And as you were talking, you know, there are people who say we should not have any speaker on here who questions China because because China is a wonderful success story.
But I did like what you said just a few moments ago that China is an enemy of civilization.
Yes, because it takes away your spiritual life.
And indeed, it's our spiritual lives that make us human.
So that's worth that's a worthy contemplation for all of us to consider how important is that.
And secondly, I'm blown away that Falun Gong supporters who just by signing a piece of paper can dramatically change their life experience.
But that the strategy is to get them to sign it so that it hits your own self-esteem that I gave up in the face of suffering.
That's a very worthy idea to contemplate everybody.
You know, I've often said if I was in World War Two in the French Resistance and the Nazis came to the door and said, are you a member of the French Resistance?
You know, I would say no, I'd lie bare faced because I don't want to be shot.
So it's a it's a very it's a very thought provoking idea that simply signing that and practice in private.
Yeah. So thank you for shining a light on this and your the website, which I took a note of it and you put into the chat.
Thank you is up holding justice dot org, where your work in supporting Falun Gong is represented.
Correct, Sean?
Yeah, that's a more than 25 years as systematic systematic investigation of C.C.P.'s persecution of Falun Gong done by this organization.
They are all volunteers or volunteer Falun Gong petitioners from different avenues of, you know, works.
And so a lot of efforts and even a lot of investigation is done by the organization.
Even a lot of investigation on organ harvesting cases, they make a lot of phone calls in China into over 900 different hospitals in China.
And, you know, some of the investigators, they pretend as like a patient who want organ transplant surgery, right?
Say, you know, I'm a family member of a patient who needed kidney, a little liver and try to talk to the doctors.
And some of the doctors, nurses also like openly.
Like confessing saying, yeah, we have fun and good practitioners.
We have their organs are very healthy. Come over, you know, within a couple of weeks, we can find you a match and we can get get your organ transplant surgery done.
So many cases, even high ranking C.C.P. officials actually, we got their audio recordings indicating it was an instruction.
And so from above that you can do this. It's a large scale. It's a systematic organ harvesting tool.
So one thing I have to make it very clear, the organ harvesting is not a simple corruption of individual transplant surgeons who just want to make money from patients organs.
It's not an individual corruption issue. It's not a male predix for any like simple medical system, medical institute.
It's not simply because of gangsters who want to make profits from the organs.
Nowadays, you see so many movies, so many articles talk about organ harvesting throughout the world, right?
Especially in Southeast Asia, in Mexico, in Korea, you see so many.
So even China sometimes publish articles saying, oh, we are arrested some gangsters who sell organs for people.
These are only a tip of the iceberg. The Chinese government want people to know, oh, OK, we are fighting this as well.
You know, we're fighting organ harvesting. We so-called transforming into organ donation system.
But these are all cover up. The whole organ harvesting system was initiated by Chinese government, by the top leader, Jiang Zemin.
At the time, he was a party secretary, general secretary of the C.C.P. who initiated by the end.
First operated by military hospital from PLA system because after the persecution of Falun Gong studies.
Millions of Falun Gong practitioners went to different level government for appeal because they do not agree with Chinese government's crackdown policy.
So many of them went to Beijing, went to the central capital of a different province to appeal.
And then the Chinese government arrested so many people, so they incarcerated a large amount of Falun Gong practitioners.
And if you went to Beijing to appeal, many people did not reveal their identity because they wonder they appear to be effective.
If you tell people your real name, where are you from, the C.C.P. were using their resource to send you back to your hometown.
So your appeal is in vain. So many people didn't reveal.
But then C.C.P. has so many people who did not have their identity and they incarcerated them.
And they have a lot of underground facilities inside China.
Those underground facility was actually built in the 1950s and 60s at a time when they would try to say we we need to defeat.
We need to prepare an invasion from Taiwan or from from when they were like fighting the Korean War.
Many of the underground system was built a long time ago.
C.C.P. like to build underground facilities.
So those underground facility turned into many incarceration camps for many of these prisoners of conscience.
And now they even some hospitals were building on top of them.
And so the hospitals have direct access to large amount of incarcerated people in underground system.
So as long as they can find a match, they will find a way to kill and then do the organ harvesting.
So at the time, it happened to be the time the medical transplant technology had a huge improvement due to different usage of the immunosuppressants.
It was very timely that the Chinese government had the technology in hand and they have a large amount of people who do not have the identities.
And they can kill them and they can incarcerate, kill them, take the organ and make profit.
So that's why you see China's organ transplant business suddenly boom of the year 2000.
Before that, like in the 10 years before 2000, right from 1990 to 2000, the whole China have about less than 100 case of liver transplant.
It was not a successful business, but after the persecution of Falun Gong started within five years, China have thousands of cases of liver transplants.
And it's still ongoing.
So the very peculiar increase organ transplant cases, of course, trigger international concern.
So even the medical societies in different countries started to pay attention to that and criticize China on that.
And so the Chinese government turned into a cunning way to cover it up.
So from the first exposure to organ harvesting started in 2006.
And when a couple of witness came out to testify that one of them was a transplant surgeon's wife,
he said that her husband actually done almost 2000 cases of coronary transplant and many of them are live harvesting.
So her husband had nightmares all the time because he did so many cases of live organ harvesting.
So this is one of the case was exposed in 2006.
And then several years after that, international studies started to pay attention to that.
And then Chinese government realized they have to change.
So they changed their narrative, not change their prerogs.
So first they saying, OK, we were using executed prisoners for the organs.
That's the first excuse.
But the executed prisoners, the total amount is about only 5000 people.
It cannot even among the like one hospitals, kidney transplant cases in China.
OK, so they realized this excuse is not enough.
So after 2013, 2014, they started use a narrow narrative.
They saying we are building organ donation system.
But in Chinese traditional culture, Chinese people do not usually think about donation their organs
because the traditional culture believe that your body need to be intact even after death.
This is a very long time traditional value.
So the Chinese government had a hard time to set up organ donation system.
Even several years after that, even in year 2018 in Beijing,
the Red Cross still having huge difficulty in recruiting people to do organ donation.
But the government still using the narrative and they actually using some of the international organ transplant society to back up the stories,
including Dr. Dan Moeliko from Harvard.
He was the TTS, the Transplant Society chairman at the time.
He went to China to talk about China need to reform and then help China present their new narrative.
But several years passed.
Now, even if you look at China, the organ harvesting is still ongoing.
One clear evidence is that the waiting time in China for organ transplant is still shockingly so short.
In here, if you want liver transplant, you probably wait five to ten years.
In China, within a month, they can give you a liver transplant.
If you want kidney transplant, you can get it within a week.
If you pay the doctor enough money, probably you can get it in a couple of days.
And people still going to China to do this organ harvesting.
I know one case, a patient from Taiwan went to China for eight times for kidney transplant.
So basically he got the transplant, the kidney failed again, had a rejection, and he went back to China to get it again and get it again.
Just keep doing it because in Chinese government, even some other transplant centers,
they were bragging that they have huge amount of supply for organs.
And when the planet spill over from Falun Gong group, from the population that's incarcerated,
so they extended to society, extended to more people.
And that's how the concentration camp in Uyghur started.
Because they realized in such a remote province, if they incarcerate a lot of Uyghurs, they have another big pool of the organ that they can use.
And especially at a time, many Middle East countries also want organ transplants.
They want organs, the Hala organs.
So China incarcerate a lot of Uyghurs, so they become a second pool of organ harvesting.
OK, so this is how we grow out.
Sean, thank you. Thank you.
Thank you. Just letting everyone know there's no coverage of Falun Gong in the mainstream media in Australia,
and I follow it carefully.
And there's no reference to organ harvesting or the transplant industry from China.
I'm just letting people know that.
So Stephen, over to you and thank you for shining a light, Sean, on this.
And the real question is what to do about it?
Well, you are shining a light on it.
We've had other presenters here who have.
And the comment has been put in the chat, by the way, Sean, that that website doesn't seem to work for some upholding.
Let me double check.
Upholdingjustice.org.
It says unhold. It says unholding.
Just uphold justice, not upholding, sorry.
Upholdjustice.org. Thank you.
Yeah, sorry.
I'm putting the ING on there.
Upholdjustice.org. Thank you.
Yeah, yeah.
Does that work, Mark?
You got it? OK, Stephen, next 15 minutes are all yours.
So, Sean, I think we should all remember, and I hope you agree, but maybe you don't,
that actually organ harvesting is just one manifestation of all the evils which the Chinese Communist Party has perpetrated essentially on the Chinese people
and destroyed, extinguished, if you like, 5,000 years of Chinese civilization almost overnight as far as history is concerned.
So this is an enormous evil.
This is raping the soul of human beings, in my opinion.
You said that it was taking people away from their spirituality.
I can think of, you know, the fact that organ harvesting occurs down the road from that fact is not surprising, is it?
It really is shocking.
So why can't people in the West see it?
And why do the people who've lived in China want to excuse it?
It's just so obvious to me.
You and I have never met.
We've never tried to influence each other.
We spoke briefly on the telephone, but we didn't talk about anything substantial.
And yet we agree, you say, that the Chinese Communist Party is guilty of trying and succeeding, as I understand it, in taking people's spirituality away from them.
I, by a completely different route, have come to the conclusion that not just China,
but so the whole of the world was intent on raping the soul of human beings in 2020.
And this is something absolutely essential to understand because it's so easy to see what they're doing on so many levels in so many fields when you understand that.
So essentially, Trojan horses for totalitarianism.
And I just wonder whether you have any comments on that.
I would like to hear whether you know about the Great March of Mao, the Great Leap Forward of 1958 to 1962, and the Great Cultural Revolution of 1966 to 1976 when Mao Tse-tung died.
I know it's a lot, but you, of all the guests we've had, I think, possibly know the history better than any, but maybe you don't.
I know somewhat.
Yeah, I'm reading a history book.
I was born in 1971, so all these kind of happened before me, but I do understand it.
I think my first thing I want to say is that the Western society often confused China with CCP, right?
China has a long, long time history, has a glorious civilization in the past, and the communist ideology, you know, comes from Karl Marx, and it's foreign to traditional Chinese culture.
And traditional Chinese culture is always very spiritual.
That's why we have Confucianism, we have Taoism, we have Buddhism throughout the last 2000 years.
So Chinese people are traditionally believing they are deities about the human society, they control the human world, and this is a common belief, almost embedded in Chinese people's mind and blood all the time.
So that's why the Chinese Communist Party wants to have the Cultural Revolution.
In the Cultural Revolution, they criticize all religions, they criticize Confucianism, trying to take up the soul of people and that's what takes up your basic morality.
So at a time, they encourage Chinese people to betray their family members.
So the sons and daughters can betray their parents because their parents did not stick to the party line.
And there are cases that even the children are beating their parents to death because of political difference.
So the political violence is totally escalated to an unprecedented level under Mao Zedong.
And in this process, you lose your morality, foundations, lose your criteria.
That's how the Communist Party runs.
And then the Great Lee Fall Movement...
They cause you to lose your self-respect.
That's what they're aiming for all the time.
So the signing away of your life, essentially, it seems such a small act, but it's very big to them because it means that you mean nothing to yourself, never mind them.
Yeah. So you only know how to follow the Communist Party's ideology once they crack down all your traditional belief, right?
Everything they label it as a feudalism, this is old concept, the previous history in China is all dark.
That's how the history was taught to the younger generation in China.
And nowadays, even younger generation have no idea what is time and massacre because the textbook won't mention it.
And they don't understand what is persecution of Falun Gong, persecution of underground Christians.
So basically, they control the information and they're using these deceptions to induction the younger generation of the Chinese people.
So in that way, they can easily control.
And nowadays, of course, with the digital dictatorship, they can use the Douyin, WeChat, or Xiaohongshu, all kinds of social media to control people.
They lock people's eyeballs, your mind into the platform that they encouraged and wish they had full control, full censorship.
So in that way, the society on the surface, some people feel like I have freedom to do a lot of things.
But whenever you have independence in King, you jeopardize the government, you challenge the government, of course, you can be disappear very easily.
So I think the Western society, a lot of people have like a very wrong understanding of China's situation because many people maybe were invited by the Chinese government to have a simple one week, two week tour in China.
They show you the big cities, show you the buildings, the new skyscrapers, they see the China development and they feel China is changing.
But no, the tactic in control of the society has become more wicked and the crimes, the serious crime that they tried to cover was even more heinous.
And so nowadays they even try to build up the database for a lot of Chinese citizens.
Even if you download an app, for example, if you download a Xiaohongshu social media apps, by default, they will assume you want to donate organs.
If you didn't pay attention, if you do not uncheck the mark, you are agreeing to donate your organs.
And China using an app system.
So basically, now they fully utilize the so-called brain death criteria.
So if you do not express that you do not agree to donate your organs, you assume by default you will agree to donate your to get your organs donated.
And the government has a different way to claim that you have brain death.
Even the Chinese military system, military and as well as public security system, they designed a device to cause brain death.
One of them is a simple hitting of your brain stem, a strong hitting.
Another one is lock your brain and twist it 90 degrees.
And it's actually published article from like like a public security officers in China.
So they have different way to cause brain death.
And then once you've been claimed brain death, they can take your organs very easily.
And these become a rampant practice in China.
So last year, there was one transplant surgeon, very young, his name, Luo Shuaiyu.
He's from Hunan province in China.
He was involved in help procuring the organs, you know, directly by his supervisors.
So he went to places to procure the organs and the people there, it's like a meat market.
OK, so they say, oh, OK, here is a liver.
Who wants it? Here's his kidney. Who wants it?
Right. And some people say, oh, there's a culture.
It's an organ distribution system. The government set up people suggesting, oh, let's use the culture system.
But the people who really handle organs say they use F word after after.
So, Sean, I want to get into the people who've got money into.
So it's not just about this transplant.
You know, there's money in it. We can understand that.
And there's going to be a lot of money.
And we know how greedy human beings are, especially after this this last five years.
And so but it's not the whole story, is it?
So so how do we kind of so I can understand that you maybe can expose the transplant industry,
you know, as a means of getting people in the West to listen,
because otherwise, if you start talking talking about totalitarianism, you know, that they might fall asleep.
It's an ongoing genocide.
You know, it's ongoing genocide.
That's why we feel we need to talk about it to hope international society can take action to stop it.
I would say as a medical doctor, the biggest threat to human beings at the moment is that they don't want to live any longer
because they have had their souls raped since 2020 and and since and this and so and that's really serious.
So but it's undiagnosed and it's untreated.
You will never cure someone of Stockholm syndrome if you haven't diagnosed it first.
And even then, you're going to struggle to cure them because the trauma which has caused the Stockholm syndrome is so great that maybe you can't reverse it.
Yes, some of the people, transplant surgeons probably were locked into the system because of the profits.
You know, they are rewarded.
You know, if you're doing more of these organ habits, you can get rich very fast.
And some of them people are constrained by the military system.
They are ordered to say is that the transplant, you know, the industry, if you like, this huge industry in China,
which clearly is there is but a symptom really.
So I don't know. You know, it may be a way to wake people up, but I don't think we should.
We well, I was trying to get an understanding of China, you know.
So what does the average Chinese person think, you know, about his parents, for example?
Does he respect his parents or are they nothing?
And, you know, there was something, obviously, in Chinese civilisation.
So now do they not respect their parents?
You know, as you can see what they're doing in the UK and US, you know, it's a different level.
It's a different angle. Right. So the cultural revolution ended in 1976.
It ended. Right. So after that, in the 1980s, there was about 10 years since we loosened their control in society.
So, of course, the society come back somewhat normal and the Chinese traditional value is very strong.
That's why, of course, there are some basic family values still existing.
But basically, in the education system, the communist party always emphasised the party is like your mother.
You need to respect your mother. And also, no matter how ugly your mother is, you need to love your mother.
That's our CCP doctrine. Right. So many of the younger generation in the regular time in the family, they respect their parents.
You know, maybe have some problem with current digital technology.
Some people become more isolated, the hatred and all kinds of problems.
Do you think that's part of it? Do you think the digital stuff, you know, the tech which people, young people,
especially worship and can't live without, do you think that was introduced deliberately to break people away from the different generations?
You know, so China is more aggressive. Yeah.
China has pushed that more aggressive than the Western society.
The whole government pushed development of the like conglutinous of the social media apps.
So one people to lock down the usage of the mobile systems very strongly.
That's why now even you go to China, if you don't have a cell phone, you probably cannot buy simple things in the market, in the restaurants.
So why do you think that's come about? So you know, I think you really understand China.
You're a US citizen now, so maybe, you know, that's changed a little.
But you love your country, I imagine, you know, your mother country.
So why do you think they would have pushed tech and not thought about the consequences of tech?
You know, and you can see that people are not happy with all their computers and their mobile phones.
You know, they're losing connection with other people.
They go to a cafe with their friends and they're all looking at their mobile phones.
This is crazy stuff. You couldn't dream it up.
But yeah, this is part of the strategy that CCP take.
You know, for example, when my mom is in her 80s, she went back to China.
She had to find a younger, you know, like nephew to help her to go to the street to do anything because everything locked on the cell phone.
And my mom lived in the United States for a few years now. She don't have a cell phone system working in China.
So this is how the society pushed the digital currency, digital transaction.
Many things they push very fast, very aggressively.
We saw fully tested in the society and they don't care about the consequences because they know these can give them additional control of the individual.
That's why in China, all the cell phone registers, people need to register to use their real name.
You cannot use a fake name to register for a cell phone or even for many of the popular social media accounts.
The government enforcing real name register so they can control what you think, what you like, what you purchase, where you go.
So everything they can monitor.
OK, so I've got limited time, so I want to ask you, these people who get their organs, you know, in some cases, 10 transplants, they've got the money.
What's their aim? You know, they get their organs. Then what? Are they going to live forever?
And if they are not going to live forever and they know that they're not going to live forever, where are they going to go?
Have they got any moral code? Do they actually have heaven to look forward to?
Is there anything or is it just about them and their pathetic little existence?
Do you understand me?
Yes, so for the recipient organs, many people, even though feel weird how the government can get the organs so quickly,
but they don't care a lot because they think I'm the benefactors, you know, I get tremendous benefit from this kind of wicked system.
So many people, you know, turn a blind eye on it.
Yes, but what's the aim? What's the long term aim? Are they going to live forever?
And if they're not going to live forever, where are they going?
They've done everything wrong in their lives.
Yeah, but for people who live in a society of promoting atheism for a long time, many people don't think about what's their future.
You know, when they go after they die, you know, they don't care to think about as long as I can live a little longer, then I can have another opportunity.
So many people think that way in China. That's the problem of atheism.
So you don't care about if I lost my morality, if I did bad things on people. So what?
So there's a huge fear of death in China, yes?
Definitely a huge spiritual warrior, spiritual death in China.
And especially now that the government wants people to be addicted to the digital things.
And they want the digital dictatorship to have full control in the society.
And so that's why China's advancement in this technology field is so fast.
And they invest huge in AI technology as well. And they want on the surface, they are competing with the United States technology.
So in the Western side, we think, oh, they are just trying to compete with us for technology.
No, for them, that's one of the survival technology they want to grab on because they think if they can control the AI, they can fully control people's life.
And in a way, they can also push the United States to compete in.
If they drive you as to compete in AI, they will have a way to influence the United States future generation.
Because you compete with the devil, you are falling into the trap.
They want to compete in AI.
Yeah. So I'm a great supporter of Trump and many of us are here, but I think he's wrong about AI.
He doesn't understand it. He is very dangerous.
He's just very competitive and he's fallen into the Chinese Communist Party trap, unfortunately.
So thank you so much, Sean, for coming to talk to us.
I want to ask you later about what you thought of the University of Alabama, Birmingham and that very conservative state and you're from China.
Yeah, yeah. I'm from the southeast of China and I come to the southeast of the United States.
Yeah. The most conservative state in the US, I think, Alabama is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Very interesting.
We'll talk about that. We'll talk about that later.
It's a great question. Southeast China to Southeast America. Interesting, interesting.
It's just copy.
Before we go to Mark Steele, who's got some interesting thoughts, the one question that exercises my mind and I've been busting to ask you, Sean, is you in your bio, you said you are interested in preventive medicine.
Now, not many doctors are. So my question is, how did that happen that you're interested in preventive medicine?
And Stephen, I had to go out. Did you ask Sean about the fraud of immunology? But that's another question that you might ask him later.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. There was no pandemic. I don't know whether you understand that.
We'll get asked later. But come to this question of, you know, I'm always interested in doctors who have awoken, not awoke, but have awakened to preventive medicine.
So how did that happen for you?
Yeah, yeah, actually, definitely. The COVID period is also a time that I rethink about the role of the CDCs and WHO, all these things, you know.
When I was doing preventive medicine in the military, you know, I was just collecting samples from different military posts, doing sequencing, doing next-generation sequencing, doing bioinformatics, analyzing the change of the virus strain, things like that, right?
But the COVID, I think, changed my understanding. I realized, you know, how wicked the Communist Party can use the bioweapon system to design something to harm the whole society.
But at the same time, I understand many of these infectious disease outbreaks have, I think, the scientific society has a wrong understanding on it.
And also the vaccine industry has a lot of problems and a wrong understanding of how the outbreak started and how it ends.
A lot of the outbreak in history, people say it was due to the success of vaccine development. I don't think so, actually.
Actually, it just coincides with the retrieve of the wave of the outbreaks. You know, it's kind of like tidal waves.
So after the vaccine developed, this real society is already in the decline phase of the outbreak.
So people claim it's the success of the vaccine. I think the vaccine only in history should be only just a method used under a very challenging, extreme situation.
It's not supposed to be a general method for preventing the wave, even in China.
Okay, so that's what you mean by preventive medicine, which is based on the whole pharmaceutical model.
So thank you. That helps me understand. We'll unpack that a bit later. Let's go to Mark and then we'll come back to Stephen.
Because I think, you know, Stephen, what was the, oh, virology. You said virology is a fraud, but we'll come back to that.
Yeah, virology is a fraud. But the thing is, Charles, that you may have missed that Sean is not a medical doctor, he's a PhD doctor.
So he did a PhD. You're not a medical doctor, are you, Sean?
No, my PhD is in microbiology and immunology.
Microbiology and immunology. Okay, thank you.
Yeah, so he's a scientist.
Mark, a steel man.
Yeah, yes.
Here he comes. Here he comes.
Hi, Sean. Can you see me?
Yes, I can see you, Mark.
Hi, Sean. Sean, fantastic talk there about the Chinese. I've got something quite interesting to tell you.
We discovered a high speed modem in the laser detection range and technology that's been deployed across most cities in the United Kingdom.
I'm pretty sure the US is the same.
It's an illegal deployment and it controls a laser detection weapon system called NeuroStrike.
The NeuroStrike weapon was deployed. We heard some PLA defectors who spoke about NeuroStrike and I was always quite interested in this particular technology.
I didn't know exactly what it was. We were looking into some of the electronics that were being put out across the world.
However, we've now identified NeuroStrike.
Masquerading is an ANPR camera.
So these low emission zones right across the United Kingdom, we now know they've had a massive deployment of radar, phased array radar, which was a patented electronic assault weapon in 2006.
So what phased array radar weapons, guns, and we have laser weapons right across the whole of the United Kingdom as we speak.
And it's controlled by a high speed modem that was developed in collaboration with Azure Lockheed Martin, Microsoft and Tally's produced a cloud based operating platform called Azure.
And Azure is a cloud based operating platform that controls.
It's an AI operating platform that controls the laser weapon.
I mean, what could go wrong?
You've got an AI operating platform that's already told us it wants to exterminate us and especially if we're trying to shut it down.
And it's been connected to electronic assault weapons, massive radiation levels right away across the city of London.
London itself, since the deployment of the low emission zone technology, they've seen a 30% increase in breathing, where people have had a cold emergency services and 20% increase in heart attacks because obviously infrared radiation is multifoot on stack.
And so it's ionized radiation emissions which cause a positive charge of the air, which cause it noxious to breathe.
So that basically that gassing the people of London with this technology.
However, they haven't focused the beam.
It's a synthetic, what's called a synthetic aperture, which creates for quality from the phased array.
And that's how you weaponize phased array antennas.
So we've got this mass deployment of an electronic assault kill box right away across cities in the United Kingdom and around the rest of the world.
I'm pretty sure about and it's all controlled by an AI operating platform and connected through that from a high speed modem that's developed and deployed in China.
Well, a couple of friends and I, we started a CCP bar stretch initiatives.
I just posted the website, CCP bar stretch dot com.
So you can check on there. We do have a report talk about neural strikes.
We may not know the scale of their deployment in the United Kingdom.
It kind of shocked me.
Sure. The 17,000 junctions.
You've got a minimum of four to six of these laser weapons at the junctions and the 17,000 junctions that were discovered have had the weapon deployed.
Wow. Okay. Okay. Wow. I didn't know their scale.
I mean, we do pay attention to China's neural strike programs.
And even I talked to some victim who, you know, saying they suffer from neural strikes and sometimes hear, you know, like hearing.
And it is ringing.
And then torture them and they feel being followed and they're being suffering.
And then Chinese come definitely working on these EMP tools and then, you know, Havana syndromes connections.
And but I don't know internationally their scale.
But what you said is actually very intriguing.
Well, I think we haven't done study on their systematic deployment in a western country.
I didn't I didn't know that they already done that to the level.
Well, the PLA dissidents had already mentioned Neural Strike being deployed across the West.
And I was actually looking for it because we found some very nefarious Chinese technology in the street furniture, part of the 5G mesh network.
It's hard high gain dialect lens properties.
So it could be weaponized.
You could use it as a phased array element, but we've actually found this specific weapon now deployed covertly as and masquerade as an EMP.
Or camera. And it's all part of these low emissions.
And so there's a globalist, there's a globalist take that is because obviously Lockheed Martin or American defense industry.
Tally is one of the large French defense industries.
Siemens, who manufacture the weapon, they're German and a German company and the controller is Chinese.
So it's a globalist defense industry covert defense industry deployment, obviously for the massively population that are currently planning going forward.
Well, well, yeah, I didn't know enough about the, you know, the defense industry involvement.
I mean, in China, we know the using some of these new restrict device for right.
Right. Sure. So for right control, OK, they can intentionally direct a high energy to to a group of people who protest as a government in order to dispose very quickly without fighting a bullet or, you know,
or gases. So
Yeah, that's a big issue if they got the national defense industries from Western country to get involved into developing devices that they can twist it or utilize for different purpose.
And I think, yeah, I mean, I think Western side is just so easily being fooled and manipulated by the Chinese government.
Look at so many so-called scientific research, but done with joint efforts from scientists from the United States together with Chinese researchers.
You know, Chinese government have the civil military fusion program and the Western researchers don't care about it.
And even sometimes DOD funding, US universities for certain research, but the contract was actually indirectly subcontracted to Chinese researchers.
Yeah, it just happened. So I'm so free.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that, yeah, the Cuba test of the equipment attacking the CIA assets was actually the US that were doing it themselves.
I don't think it was any foreign body at all.
Obviously, this is all barred or technology that obviously you're going to test the money on people first.
Yeah, it's just hard to get evidence because nowadays even the small EMP device can be like a suitcase that someone just breaks.
Exactly.
Yeah, next to embassy and release it and you don't realize that it's sending the signal.
If you are not equipped with the particular equipment, you cannot detect the signal.
When you realize people are suffering, it's already gone.
Already done. Yeah, yeah, no, not totally.
I worked on the technology in the 80s and obviously, you know, the generators and the power that we had were, you know, they were quite large.
Well, she over the over time, things have become very, very compact.
You've got lithium cobalt batteries. You've got things that exactly what you say.
You can put these things into you can actually put these things into an assault weapon system.
I mean, they've got they've actually got firearms now, which are no bigger than a than a normal firearm where you can fire these signals.
We saw them being deployed in in Italy during the during the Pope's investiture, because obviously, you know, they don't you've got to be very careful with these drones potentially.
So I mean, some of these drones can be pretty lethal now.
And the Italian police actually had electronic assault firearms, which were hand held.
Yeah, so so Mark's work, Sean, Mark has been doing great work.
And, Mark, you might comment on this. It's relevant for Sean as well.
The Louisa, if you can you read the chat that Louisa has put in there, Mark, she says, My niece has gone to live in London and she's been ill ever since.
She's got terrible skin since being there and now suffers from anxiety.
I know the radiation is high there. It's disgraceful what they're doing.
What can we do to stop it? But come back to this first issue that I every time I'm in a meeting, Sean, I talk about the impact of electromagnetic radiation on us.
I wear my Q-link of water for 20 plus years.
Here it is, you know, and and who knows?
And there's Faraday Faraday blankets, but many people here understand the threat.
So, Mark, what's your what's your comment for Louisa?
But anyone else who suddenly comes down with feeling unwell being in a big city?
Well, I'm currently working on a number of private prosecutions against them, Charles.
So I organized I'm having a meeting tomorrow with some people who've run some successful private prosecutions because we've got to get this into the public domain.
That's the problem that we have.
These are covertly deployed, illegally deployed, and there's just not enough people who understand the technology.
And unfortunately, because of the controversy, the courts are going to be they're going to be problematic.
The police are problematic.
Obviously, the police in the United Kingdom were commanded under Operation Tala in Northern not investigate the bio weapons injectable.
We had lots of people dropping down dead.
This was obviously not what they expected due to the contamination, the the the Juno toxic contamination from what was actually in the injectable.
However, the the police were told to stand down.
It was called Operation Tala Norden.
So, unfortunately, we're going to have to take these prosecutions ourselves.
The police know about this this technology.
I've actually made several police complaints.
We've had people in London make criminal complaints and the police are currently running for the hills.
This is it's well beyond their let's say remit.
So unfortunately, it's because the people that pay their salaries through our taxes, they're in charge.
And obviously, the police are part of a criminal conspiracy.
We know that as a matter of fact, because they knew what was in this injectable and they stopped us from shutting down these injection sites.
Even when it was quite obvious that it was very, very dangerous.
So we know that they're part of the problem now.
Understanding the technology and the cityscapes once once this fully autonomous system arrives, you don't need any police.
It's all doable in any event.
The mesh, the five G mesh networks, all you able to hear everything.
So you don't need to gather any evidence because it's totally all you able.
It's got enough camera systems and vision systems to set up to see everything.
So why would you want the police?
You don't actually need them.
And unfortunately, the coppers are going to be the first the first off the planet.
And I've tried to tell them this for quite a number of years, but unfortunately, they don't understand this.
If I was going to attack a country, I'm going to attack the command and control command and control.
GCHQ have got several five G masks.
Who's JCHQ?
GCHQ. It's the main spying.
It's one of the law.
It looks like it looks like a big donut.
It's where they do all the spying and the technology is GCHQ.
And it's surrounded by.
So your work is you should come and do another presentation of the update.
So we spread the word.
And my question is two strategies.
Mark and Tom are OK to Mark, Diane, Tom can wait a little bit, but this is important.
There are two issues.
Number one, Anders is also doing work in this space.
You know, you two are collaborating.
I know that Louise's question relates to your recommendation to people of what they what they can do with their own bodies in your experience.
Now, one of them is, of course, the glasses that you're wearing.
But secondly, you know what protocols and as you might have discovered protocols that people should be pumping.
And I'm I'm absolutely convinced that vitamin C mega doses of vitamin C, Louise, your needs should be absolutely on.
And you should talk to Julie Tasker.
You should talk to people on this call in the UK.
You have to increase your body's immune system.
You have to increase the quality of functioning.
So, Mark, what what have you been your recommendations to Louise's niece who is has got all these EMRs hitting her?
Well, we need to get it removed.
That's number one.
The most the most thing that I do is I agree with you.
Her niece is not going to do that.
But while she's in that space for all of us, what have you, you know, what do you do to protect your body?
Sean, you might have some insight into this in in terms of reducing the harm of electromagnetic radiation or helping your body to, you know, not be damaged by it.
It's a new one. Sorry.
Yeah. Protector five was the most important thing, because obviously you've got this through your central nervous system, through the optic nerve.
And that causes anxiety, depression and central nervous system cancer.
So protector five, where's the most important thing?
Eating very well, because every electromagnetic radiation is a stress on the body and it's also it's an immune system suppressor.
So anything that you potentially put into your body is going to be more problematic due to the electromagnetic radiation.
So you have to really look after yourself in a better way.
Protection, the most important thing.
We'll have to focus on getting this this illegal equipment removed.
So phase three in particular, because the antenna design allows for quality.
And if I can focus radiation at a target and cause ionization, we all know that ionization radiation causes cancer.
Lots of studies, you know, that's just a confirmation.
So far, focus radiation from a phased array element, even though it operates in a non ionized radiation spectrum, I can cause a multi photon ionization.
And that is absolutely lethal.
So the old 5G, all 5G and all phased array, which is the main antenna for 5G, it can cause ionization in air.
All you have to do is get a computer to focus the beam.
Once you focus the beam, just like a laser, you can start to cut things like stainless steel and I can do a lot of damage.
If I can focus the 6000 watt emission from a mast and put it up to 385,000 watts because we've got the technical...
Stop, stop, stop. That's a whole different presentation, Mark.
We've got it and you've raised and Jan has put in useful information.
Sean, what's your perspective on helping us protect ourselves from EMRs whilst we're running the prosecutions that Mark recommends that I'm all in favor of?
That's a different issue.
I understand. So to me, radiation dealing with energy, to deal with energy harms on your body, you need to improve your energy level.
So what I'm actually recommending is you do meditations.
In China, there are different meditation exercises, qigong exercise, yoga exercise.
So that's one of the reasons why Fan Honggong becomes so popular in China before it was cracked down.
And it has great energy level because through the meditation, you improve your energy.
You're building the energy shear inside and outside your body, resisting these EMRs attacks.
So I think that's actually a fundamental way because you can take food, take nutrition to improve your immune system.
But behind the organ, behind the immune system is still your energy.
I think doing meditation regularly, doing yoga, will help.
OK, got that, Louisa. And have a look at what Jan put into the chat as well.
Thank you, Mark. And we're rooting for you and we look forward to the next presentation.
Oh, the other thought that I had for you, Mark, is there is the lady in Australia who runs EMR Australia.
I'm sure you've met her. I've interviewed her on one of my programs.
And I think my recommendation would be to create a network, Mark, of people, of organizations that are doing the same thing that you are.
And certainly EMR Australia is also fighting against in the same way that you are.
So I think the collaboration has to happen through organizations that are aware of this, Mark.
And similarly, you say we've got to shine a light on it.
Have a look at what Sean is talking about, which is direct murder, which is direct suppression of Falun Gong supporters.
And there's nothing in the mainstream media about it.
So, you know, we've got the same challenge, haven't we?
So it is alternative media that we have to get the message to, not the mainstream media.
Brilliant. Thank you, Mark. Good job.
Mark the Dyer, who's also from the UK. Sean, hope you understand his accent.
Of course he can. Sean, let me have an attempt at your name. Did you? I think I got it right. Xiao Xu.
Yes, Xiao Xu. Yes.
Oh, good. Good. Right.
I have been mentioning the people on Falun Gong on Twitter on a regular basis because in the UK,
the government is determined at the moment to introduce digital ID.
And at the same time, they have got a bill going through parliament, which is in the House of Lords,
so that the second chamber and the bill is for assisted, they call it assisted dying.
But basically it is murder where they're going to allow people.
When I say allow, they're going to allow people who've got mental illnesses to be persuaded to have their lives terminated.
So I have been following the company that the company that's pushing this or the campaign that's pushing this is called Dignity in Dying.
Now Dignity in Dying spent in the last financial year over three million pounds.
In fact, I've got the amount here. They spent three point three million pounds promoting this.
So they've had advertising on the underground. They've had advertising.
They've bought people special t-shirts and goodness knows what so that they can come forward to promote this.
So I'm concerned that the ulterior motive is money.
Right. And of course, young people, because they've actually said that people who have got anorexia,
which of course is a mental illness, will be able to terminate.
And of course, the thing is, if they've got good organs, they're not going to be killed.
And then the organs taken, they will take the organs before they're actually killed.
So is this would you say that I am in the, you know, heading down the right route of what I think is going to happen?
Or do you think, you know, I'm trying to get people to wake up to the fact that the government are not our friends and digital ID.
All that it will do is it will enable the government to look into your health records, find out all sorts of things.
So, for example, I'm a AB positive blood.
Now, that's pretty rare. And it could be that they want people who have got rare genetics, which they then want to track down.
So is that is that something that you would say we should be worried about?
Oh, definitely, definitely.
Digital ID on this surface from the name is since I'm very simple because everything is digital.
But actually, if they building your health record into the digital ID system is very dangerous.
And that's how Chinese government doing it in China.
You know, they they they can force people to to give their saliva samples, blood samples, you know, using some routine health check.
They collect all these samples and then they sequencing the data.
They're getting all the information about your genetic information and the Chinese government not only just a civic,
not just the regular hospital, but also the military system.
Central government also building a large genetic pool, genetic data pools for citizens.
And so that way they nowadays they can have the ABOI technology,
even like using certain drugs to knock out the carbohydrate groups on your red blood cells and then to reduce the rejections.
And then, you know, even if you don't have a blood type matching, you can still use the blood for transfusions.
And also for this for genetic sequencing, they now fully understand for HLA, HLA typeings, you know, 17 key genes.
As long as you can find good matchings, you can have a much higher success rate for organ transplant.
So they are building all this data together, collecting people's sample together.
Many Western hospitals actually allow Chinese bioinformatics company to help analyze these genetic sequencing data.
And so if UK is giving some of the hospital sequencing data to the Chinese company, need to be seriously alert.
And then, you know, because Chinese government utilizing the company like BGI, it's like Huawei in a biotechnology field.
They deploy widely in many countries worldwide, collecting many countries people's samples and then collecting the genetic information,
understand their genetic profile and to see if there are any particular ethnic unique characteristics.
And they also try to understand, you know, any genetic disease that particularly unique to different race, different groups.
And so I think it's very dangerous to build health data systems if you if the government do not have any guardrails.
And I think it's very, I think very worrisome.
So I think if you have a chance to stop that, definitely.
And the second part of your question regarding about assisted deaths, I also think that's that's that's problematic for the current medicines.
And even the transplant societies also keep claiming there are shortage of organs, right?
Everything can be many evil things can be done in the name of doing good.
And they say, you know, we need to help to get more organs.
So let's develop the no trace plan.
Let's have the brain death definition as help people to, you know, assist the living assisted dying.
So there are different ways to trigger a source to have to increase source of organs that are available for these business is not for the purpose of saving people's lives.
It's actually for profits.
So I think the organization have a very beautiful name dignity in death.
But people dying at the right time, that's the real dignity.
You know, people even to me, even some suffering before death, that's part of the life.
You know, so yeah, so I think that now is the concept is twisted.
Yeah, Sean, could I ask I'm in contact with one of the MPs, member of parliament, right, who is opposed to digital ID and assisted dying.
But if they there will probably be a call for evidence, would you would I be able to put you in contact with the MP?
Because I think your evidence would be very powerful.
Yes, yes, actually, I love to love to I mean, we love to come up with a report talking about the CCP's aggressions on these biotech developments and building the digital system and BGI.
We have done some research on BGI, their aggressions, you know, their collaboration with PLA system and how do they develop the technology.
It's a long history that they they're being systematically work out.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
Well done. Well done, Mark on on all of your good work.
And that link, I think is that we're very powerful link of what you're suggesting, Mark.
All right, Tom Rodman from Wisconsin now, Sean, you will certainly understand Tom Tom's action.
I hope everyone understand my southern accent.
Very, very clear, Sean.
Well done.
Hi, Sean. Yeah, we we had a Chinese influence in the first Trump administration, Foxconn moved in and they did a deal with Trump.
There's like 42 organizations tried to stop it.
A bunch of residential nice old residential houses were torn down.
And the end result was just this empty.
There was a sign with an empty office in downtown Milwaukee and nothing happened beyond that.
It was very sad.
And the people there was one couple that held out in their house.
Eventually it was torn down and there's nothing came from it.
But one thing I was wondering is, or, you know, in the context of the last question, what about medical ethics?
What about dissidents in China?
When there is disagreement, how does it manifest itself?
You know, given you have a media, you know, I I am so naive with respect to China.
I've heard a number of like Americans in China just saying everything's fine.
It's great. There's all kinds of freedom.
What are you talking about?
But just there's so little I understand.
You know, you had a feel free to ignore or choose some of these topics.
You know, I don't know how your elections work.
I don't know how people get involved in a civic way and local elections at the local level or the province level.
I mean, do you have provinces? Do you have states?
What happened with that one child policy?
What about the Uyghurs? Compare the Uyghurs with a Falun Gong.
And are there Christians, Muslims?
How you know, what is the what's the general mass culture with respect to religion?
And, you know, let me see.
I got a couple other things.
You're saying you're not.
Yeah. Well, the other another mean thing is your scientific background and then how what you're how you apply that to the covid era.
And how did China experience covid?
Were people locked in their high rise building, starving to death like some of the videos we see?
So go ahead. Thank you.
Yeah, I probably tried to answer backwards.
So first talk about the covid situation.
Yes, the lockdown is one of the biggest failure policy from Xi Jinping.
And so many Chinese people are very upset about the lockdown.
And it's destroyed many local province economies.
Many people lost jobs. Many, many, many businesses had to be shut down and people suffer a lot.
And China's definitely economy have a hard landing during that time.
And now even two, three years after that, Chinese economists still try to recover from that.
And but during that time, so many foreign investment already was through out of China.
So this has become an irreversible trend.
So many foreign investment leaving China.
I think it's because of that. The covid is one of the major hit.
People see the common can can do such an extremely thing and doesn't care about people's lives, doesn't care about business economies,
but doesn't care about job loss.
And so many, many foreign investment leave, especially from the United States, from Japan, even Japan.
Japan usually have to have tens of thousands of business in China, but so many left, even big corporations, steel industries from Japan left China.
And so I think that's one thing.
And then you're talking about China's. I mean, my experience during that period of time is my expertise.
Yes, I actually wrote an article in early 2020.
I tried to debate the Dr. Anderson's article regarding the plasma, the plasma origin of the covid.
Talk about natural evolution, natural source of the covid.
But my article was not accepted by other journals, main journals.
So so unfortunately, so that's why I work with my friend to initiate the CCP biostrate initiatives.
You know, we do our own study and publications.
So there's an unfortunate situation, but I do have many opportunities to become a commentator during the covid period for NTDTV,
Chinese primary on Chinese language media, sometimes on the VOA and Radio Free Asia,
talking about covid issue, talk about China's covering up on covid.
And so that's one thing. And then regarding China election, China doesn't have real elections.
So any local level, provincial levels, the Chinese Communist Party already select candidates.
So even if you are civilian, you want to compete in election on the surface, you can register, but you have no resource.
Nobody will donate for you. It's not like the United States doesn't have a democracy.
So the Chinese government control the candidates in the past is more extreme.
It's like you have eight positions, you have eight candidate, the Communist Party selected.
So everybody already picked before any, you know, superficial elections.
Nowadays, they do a little bit, they say, oh, we have ten candidates for eight positions.
So you can vote two people out. But whoever is elected is Communist Party selected.
So we got to understand the Communist Party is like a demonic possession in the Chinese society.
Right. So in Chinese society, besides the normal government systems, you have a party system possessed on it at every level of society,
from village to township to cities to province to central government.
Every level you have a Communist Party organization and the party secretary at every level is the number one.
So if you talk to a mayor in the city, no, you are not talking to the number one person.
The party secretary in a city is the number one person. He control it.
So. So the CCP is like a demonic possession at every level.
So and the party suck up to all the resource the society have.
Right. So. The party never. Like open their accounts for people, for any auditing.
Right. The party is a secret. The party operation is secret.
Even even the last week, the fourth plenum of the Communist Party central government's meeting,
central military, the central military committee has some selection of new new vice president.
But who knows the operation? How does a general got selected? It's totally black box.
The Communist Party is a secret gangster structure, but it's like a demon demonic possession in society.
So there is no real election. Everything. It's it's fake in the political system.
On the surface, they claim they representing the Chinese people's interests.
I know they only care about their own interests.
So so you talk about the patients like medical assets issue, right?
So medical assets, if you are a foreigner, you are better treated in the Chinese society,
because at least every local government understand you've got to have helped the Chinese government,
you know, like protecting their face as the Westerners can, you know, spread the news to international societies.
So foreigners generally have better treated, have been better treated in the Chinese society.
And many of these people, they probably are foreign cooperation, right?
Having the investment branches in China. So they are better paid.
And so they are living better. And, you know, they can the police will help you better.
If you if you lost item, the local police will help a foreigner to find items quickly in a couple of hours, probably.
But if you are Chinese, they don't care. So so so it's a very different feelings.
And most people in the cities, you probably have a better life than the countryside.
But most of the foreigners don't have a chance to go to the countryside to see the real poor life.
So like the former premier of Chinese government, Wen Jiabao,
he openly saying in China, there are 600 million Chinese people who live under one dollar per day in China.
So the poverty level is tremendous. OK, but most of the Western society have no idea how Chinese people suffer.
What you see from the media, from the social media, most of the time are people who from cities.
So a little bit better. Right.
That's why people think when Xi Jinping claimed China has elevate all the people out of the poverty.
It's a joke. Nobody in China believe that. But in the city on the surface, you feel like, oh, OK, it's not your life may be better.
Yeah. But it but the the polarization of the, you know,
people's wealth is very extreme in China.
What about the average? What's the average family like?
And can you is there a could you go over the stratification of the, you know,
the income levels and the different experiences and what about movies and again, the mass media?
Is there any kind of open debate at all?
No, in China you don't have real like open debate.
People can probably post some different opinions on the social media.
Like we chat, we blog, things like that.
But it depends on the topic. Right.
If you talk about some entertainment industries news, if you have a debate, probably OK.
But anything touching political sensitivities, your post will be raised quickly.
And if you are lucky, you may have a local police knock on your door.
I invite you for tea time or good conversation.
OK, so so you people people already get used to self self censorship in China.
You know the boundary, you know, what is this sensitivity lines that you cannot touch?
So, Sean, basically Chinese, would you have to be very brave or very stupid maybe
to mention the Great Leap Forward?
Yeah, yeah. Even nowadays the government still, the media do not talk about the Great Leap Forward.
Right. It's like history easily wiped out.
55 million people.
Only in the 1980s.
And there are there are literature, there are articles reflecting, you know, what the Communist Party did wrong.
But in the last 20 years, the control of mind has become a lot more extreme.
Sure. So Tom, have you had your questions answered?
Yeah, one other thing. What about, you know, the one child policy and the focus on males?
Has the family adjusted now? Is it more? Is there?
Go ahead.
Yeah, the one child policy already ended because the Xi Jinping regime already realized
that the Chinese society is totally unsustainable if they keep the one child policy.
And also they see so many people dying during the Covid period as well.
So now the Chinese government actually incentivize people to have more kids, more babies.
But the problem is that the younger generation has such huge or very high unemployment rate.
Many of the younger generation, they choose the attitude. In Chinese, they call it tanping.
Literally translated like lay flat. They do not want to get married.
They do not want to have kids. They do not want to have the burden because raising the kids is very expensive in China.
And so the younger generation do not want to get married, do not want a baby.
But the government clearly see the society in big trouble. So many kindergarten close in different cities.
Not enough kids, not enough kids to go to school. The society a huge problem.
The one child policy lasting about 40 years. The society in a very unhealthy structure.
The aging of society is so serious that China already lost the benefit of having huge workforce poor.
That's also another reason the Chinese economy doesn't work.
Because in the past they were there on huge products like cheap labors in the 90s, in the 2000s.
But now these people getting old and not in that way, the generation come out to serve the Communist Party again.
So it took them a long time to understand that the one child policy was not going to work for the very reasons that you've just outlined now.
They're not so bright, are they? They're very, very stupid. And so they persisted with it for 40 years.
It was failing long before that. They must have seen the trends. And so why didn't they admit they were wrong?
And even now, I suppose they haven't admitted they're wrong and they haven't explained why it was necessary to have one child policy, which has led to this disaster.
It's because the policy was originally chosen by Chairman Mao. So this is related to Chairman Mao's reputation.
And also during that time, before the scholars called Ma Yingchu in China, he promoted the one child policy to Chairman Mao.
So at a time, any different opinion are already totally suppressed.
And so those scholars who have the understanding of this society is already being silenced, may be killed.
So nobody dared to touch this policy because Chairman Mao think this is a fundamental national top policy.
And Deng Xiaoping continued that policy as well. So it's all chosen by the top leader.
It's one of the glories the Chinese leaders choose.
So if you challenge this policy, you are defying the reputation of Chairman Mao and Deng Xiaoping.
So nobody challenged it. Nobody dared to do it. Nobody probably had the value to challenge it.
But the people should care about their country, not Chairman Mao.
But people don't know the full picture. Because in China, for example, if you are living in the city,
you see so many people from villages come to the city to find jobs. You didn't see a population drop.
You didn't see a problem. But the countryside suffers tremendously when they don't have enough babies.
Many farms are deserted and many of the younger people have to go to the city to work.
So there are many problems combined. But people who influence the policy is in the city.
The scholars are in the city. They do not know the whole picture. And the Chinese government controls the information.
Even the central statistic bureaus, they don't casually release the true information to the society.
The military don't know the society is in an unsustainable mode.
So is it fair to say that the Chinese Communist Party, to get people in the West to understand,
so essentially you're asked to worship the system, not the individual. So it's not about the individual.
It's not about you, me or anyone else. You know, so which is where our civilization, you know,
Western civilization, if you can call it civilization, has come from.
The individual is the key and you must protect the individual at all costs, even at the expense of the group.
But of course, in Covid, they turned that upside down. It didn't work, did it?
So this one size fits all approach is terrible for human beings.
Yeah, that's what dictatorship is like. They want to have a system that people worship.
And so in a certain sense, even the leader of the dictatorship doesn't matter.
As long as the system is there, they can choose another one.
You know, even now, Xi Jinping stepped down in a political struggle, the communist system is still there.
So, Sean, I want to ask you, do the Chinese people, so people like you and me in China,
with children, say, and do they engage in the running of the schools, for example?
Do they engage in the society in which they live or do they think, well, that's for the CCP, you know?
So do they just say, I don't make any difference at all in China?
And so essentially, they're just living a fraud all their life and they know it.
And that's very bad for people, isn't it?
I had a counselor over here who was Chinese, and it was totally mystifying to me to ask her about the great March of Mao,
you know, the great leap forward and the great culture.
She wasn't alive in those times, you know, but she kind of didn't know anything about them at all.
And so I went on the Internet and showed her what I'd found.
And she was shocked. And I said, she was a nice girl, you know, she was a little bit more, how should we say, you know,
a bit of an automaton, like many of the Chinese people I've met in the West, in Sweden in particular.
And even the very brightest, you know, they've won national scholarships in China, which is a big deal.
And I mean, the scholarships just pick the best, you know, the best unit and send them to Sweden.
Yeah. Yeah. But I noticed, Sean, and you can see it maybe now that you're in the US, that these people,
they may be bright academically, very, very bright, but they absolutely have no common sense whatsoever.
And it was like talking to a machine. Yeah.
This is the communist education system. So they were emphasizing for the younger generation,
you need to be like the nuts and bolts for the communist revolution. Right.
So they are not emphasizing histories, educations. They are not emphasizing moral educations.
Right. So, for example, if you went to Taiwan in elementary school, you are being taught to confuse these ideologies.
Right. So fundamental moral value of society should be run. But in the communist party, no, nothing like that.
Right. So many people, younger generation, if their information were being deprived,
you know, the true information and the history of being rewritten by the communist party.
So, of course, you don't know what is true situation.
I even give you an example. Even in the United States, when I served in the military, when I was in Fort Bragg, right,
the Kennedy School there using a textbook written by a Chinese professor written, I think he's from Pittsburgh.
He wrote a contemporary China history chapter for the US Special Operations School for the soldiers.
OK. But if you look at the textbook, even the Tiananmen Square massacre information was taken out.
They intentionally ignored it. Just one sentence talk about that history.
OK. So in China, it's even more convenient. Right.
So you can take any information is not good for the communist party.
So the younger generation have no idea what it is. Right.
So these way, it's very easy to fool a generation of people, you know, if you totally control the information source.
And I personally think that the Chinese Communist Party are masters of this.
And there's a real risk that they take they're taking down America and other countries from within without a shot being fired.
And it's planned. And it's just so obvious to me every way you look, you know, we've got traitors in our midst in the US and in the UK and in Europe.
And we need to root them out. We need to stand up for our our countries.
And so you're a US citizen now. Do you find that your loyalty has shifted?
Do you feel a bit disappointed in in your you know, you previously you were born in China.
So that's your mother country. I mean, you could take the position that, you know, Chinese civilization is fantastic, but it was taken away from the Chinese people by the Chinese Communist Party.
And for that reason, you've given up on China, much like I've given up to some extent, at least on the United Kingdom.
And and your loyalties now shift to the US, which gives you hope. Is that right?
Yeah, I mean, I'm a sweat to be US citizens. You know, I'm also a US veteran now, of course, my loyalty now.
Yes. But overall, I can tell us, Sean, it's been very interesting.
It's been very interesting to hear. You know, it's very variable, I think.
But the day that you became a US citizen, can you describe that day to us?
It was it was actually exciting for me because I obtained the citizenship when I was in the US military service.
So actually, it's particularly proud, proud moment, you know.
And I remember a very strong feeling when I left China after detention, you know, and I bought on a plane and I landed in the US.
Your whole body feel differently.
It just feel like, oh, suddenly I feel much lighter. And when you land on the land of the freedom, it feels very different.
And so, you know, when I obtained the citizenship through the military service, it feel it's a very proud moment for me.
So I think this part probably a very different from many Chinese who naturalized, you know, because I was in the service.
It's not just like just a routine.
But you're a bit of a dissident, weren't you? So it maybe was an emotional moment for you or you were in the service and you didn't really think about it that much.
Yeah, both, both. Yeah, I was a dissident anyway.
So now I'm not in the service, probably still in Chinese government. I'm still a dissident anyway.
So, yeah, but overall.
Sorry. Do you see yourself as Chinese or do you feel very disappointed in China and the CCP and the Chinese people for not resisting the CCP?
No, I'm not disappointed that the Chinese people are not resisting the CCP just because there are a lot of people waking up.
They are just using different ways to resist the CCP. But the media, it's hard to see it.
And a lot of times in China, because people suffer so long, of course, the mentality is to how to cope with the system to survive.
That's why the Chinese government, you know, want people to live in the poor lives, you know, it's easy to manage so many people in living in poor condition.
Right. So I don't blame them not resisting.
Many people like first, they are being indoctrinated. They don't understand the evenness of the communisms.
And second part, if people knowing the evenness of the communism, they may be in silence. They're being suppressed, they'll be tortured.
Those people are very hard to resist.
Just like in 2000, oh, for which year, they arrested hundreds of lawyers, right?
Those lawyers, actually civil rights lawyer, human rights lawyer in China defending people.
But the government can one time arrest hundreds of human rights lawyers.
So who helped them to obtain justice? Right. So it's very hard in China.
But I think one encourages things that even after the Covid ended, right, you see the white paper, blank paper movement.
So people want to protest, but they have to be very creative so they can just erase the white paper.
Didn't say anything, but it's actually I'm against the government.
John, how did you feel on January the 20th of this year when the inauguration speech started?
I think the United States is still the hope of the civilization of the whole civilization of the, you know, for the Earth.
So let's accept what you've just said then.
So is it reasonable that the Chinese Communist Party have understood that and their biggest target is the United States of America?
They have to take it down for the reason you just said. Yes.
US steer the top target for the Communist Party.
And these been decades, they're always treating the Communist Party as a top enemy.
And that's how they plan out and execute the long time for decades to take down the United States through the long march in the system.
So bearing that in mind, Sean, should the West, should the US and the UK for that matter, Imperial College London, for example, that 50 percent of the students there are Chinese.
Amazingly, nobody ever talks about it.
And I'm thinking I know that because one of my sons went to Imperial College.
So should the West be less generous to quote Chinese researchers sent by the CCP?
I think now that needs a lot of scrutiny because under Xi Jinping's leadership, he's fully implemented the civil military fusion mechanisms.
So and also the national national intelligence law, you know, so asking Chinese citizens, you know, you need to follow government's order if the government requests you to do to provide certain intelligence.
So it's different situation now.
Of course, in the past, Chinese government can systematically plan out, you know, have some official send scholars to Western country to study and prepare them for a long time.
Right. So nowadays it becomes more extreme.
So I think the national security issues for Western society, it becomes a lot more serious now in academic settings.
So many universities need to tighten up their scrutiny on some of the Chinese scholars, check on their background, their fundings, where they come from and what's the potential usage for the technology that they're developing.
Yeah. So Sean, I wanted to ask you, you mentioned earlier and it was really interesting to me.
But then I forgot you mentioned the day that you landed in the United States, which year was that?
Which year? Yeah. Yeah.
Year 2000. I landed in Atlanta.
Wow. In Georgia? Yeah, in Georgia.
Wow. Why did you land in Atlanta?
Because it's close to Birmingham. Yes, to Birmingham, Alabama.
And you had a position that you could, were you doing a PhD from the start from when you arrived in the US?
No, I was first doing the master and then doing a PhD in the UAB, University of Alabama at Birmingham.
And it's only two hour away from Atlanta.
Yeah. So how did you find, so when you arrived in America, can you remember what your, you know, you remember saying there was a huge weight off your shoulders.
You didn't maybe understand why, but can you remember how your first interactions with the American people, you know, in Alabama and Georgia?
Yeah, it's pretty interesting.
Talk about the clash of cultures.
The clash of cultures, yeah. Actually, I like Birmingham a lot.
I was living in southern part of Birmingham, and both Caucasians and African Americans, and I was surprised to find all of them are very nice.
People saying hello on the street, even though they don't know you.
Yes, very friendly.
I was really surprised by that because it didn't happen in China.
You know, you're a stranger, nobody say hello to each other.
So did you say hello back or did it take you?
Yeah, yeah. At the beginning I was shocked, then I learned to say hello back.
And when I moved to the first apartment, it was actually, I was buying the Matrix and actually I don't have any trucks to move a Matrix.
And then a black guy who actually also wanted to buy the Matrix, but I was a few minutes earlier than him, right?
So he actually offered to help me take the Matrix to my apartment.
The Matrix, what was that?
The mattress for bedrooms, you sleep on the mattress.
How do you spell that word?
Mattress.
Mattress, sorry, I thought you were saying the Matrix.
Sorry, sorry, mattress, mattress, sorry.
Sorry, mattress.
Yeah, so anyway, he was helping me.
I was so touched by that, you know, he volunteered to help me out.
So Sean, you're such a nice guy.
Yeah, in China, sorry, you were in America.
I had a stereotype because of government propaganda.
I had a stereotype.
So black people is always associated with violence.
So I was shocked.
Anyway, it was a good time.
A black person was actually helping you.
Yeah, very kind, very kind.
And in the southern part of the States, you met a lot of very kind black people.
I've understood this through friends.
But Alabama, did you find Alabama different from everywhere else you've been in America?
I like Alabama a lot.
Sorry, in the sense that the people are very conservative, but they go to church, they do the right thing.
They say hello to their neighbors, they work with their neighbors.
And yes, they maybe kill each other in Birmingham, Alabama.
There's only, I mean, the violence is primarily on northern part of Birmingham, you know, but southern part.
And if you go down further in the south of Alabama, you go to the countryside, oh, people are so nice.
It's like very warm-hearted people there.
It's very different.
And I went to their churches sometimes.
You know, see the style of the church preaching is very interesting.
Yeah.
So when you arrived there, you were kind, you're very nice, Sean.
So I imagine that people saw that you were nice, you know, even though you're Chinese.
And so, but did you find them kind?
You know, most people very kind to you?
Because they were in a superior position, especially in the beginning.
You didn't understand American society.
And yeah, I mean, it must have been a heck of a culture shock.
Not too big.
I believe in reincarnation.
I think my past life was in the United States before.
So I didn't have too big a challenge in adopting US life.
So if you got a chance to go back to China, would you go back ever?
I mean, if China changed the regime, people have the freedom.
Of course, I'd love to come back to see if maybe I still keep the US citizenship,
but I would love to visit China, I guess.
Friends, I haven't seen decades, you know.
And Taiwan, the people there, they brought up in this incredibly different system from mainland China.
Yeah.
And of course, Hong Kong was like that before the British betrayed them in 1997.
And, you know, you could see what was going to happen.
And it has happened.
And Hong Kong has been subsumed into mainland China.
And they just ignored the people of Hong Kong.
So how hard do you think the Taiwanese will fight if there's ever a threat from mainland China against them?
I think also Taiwanese people facing one challenge, a big challenge,
is the infiltration of the Communist Party in Taiwan as well.
The Communist Party has testimony about so many mainstream media in Taiwan.
So many are saying the good China stories for Taiwanese people.
So some people are definitely influenced, some of the government officials being influenced or being bought.
So I think there's a main challenge that Taiwan people will face.
Yeah. But overall, I think Taiwan people have a great foundation of the democracy and traditional Chinese culture.
All these Communist parties have no way to win.
And so I think Taiwanese people will be able to withhold.
And I don't think the CCP's military are in any shape to attack Taiwan at this moment
because they are in serious power struggle, in serious political cleansing in the military system.
Do you think America would get involved if they saw that Taiwan was threatened?
It depends on the level of threat, I think.
Because CCP already now flying fighter jets across the middle lines and threatening Taiwan routinely.
But it depends on the US government, it depends on Trump administration.
When do they think it's a red line that the CCP cannot cross?
So Sean, you're a very important voice.
And we haven't heard anybody being so open about China, even in this group.
We've had many experts on China.
Well, yes, one or two. Trevor Loudon, maybe you know Trevor Loudon?
Yeah, I know. He's a good friend of mine.
Yeah, so he is very critical.
But I think you have the power of knowing China.
And so if we can somehow weaponize what you know about China and warn the people around Trump,
you know, really warn them about China, that, you know, the mortal threats of the United States is China.
Maybe they understand it, maybe they don't.
But, you know, the fact that Trump says, oh, yeah, we're going to compete with China on AI,
compete with the rest of the world, just mention China.
That tells me they've fallen into the trap which the Chinese set them.
And so, you know, the Chinese are saying it's a race to dominate AI and it's all about, you know, trade and whatever, you know.
And it's not. It's about totalitarianism.
And I think Trump needs to know that. And you maybe need to explain to him.
No, I hope so. Of course, I hope I can have the influence.
But anyway, I think the Trump administration has so many so-called knowledge, China hawks, right?
So many people do have good understanding of China's problems.
But I think what we understand better as Chinese, you know, naturalized citizens is that we understand some of the tactics that we always use or different strategies they use.
And so but Trump, of course, have so many things to handle.
You know, he had Middle East, he had, you know, Russia and also the Caribbean situation.
So I think he haven't really got a full like a time to fully focus on China issue.
That's why I think he's he's he's playing around with China at this moment.
But anyway, I hope he can be can be stronger in taking higher moral ground when he deals with China.
Not just on the economy level, not just on trade level.
Exactly. That's his weakness. Unfortunately, you know, it's all about the deal, the business, you know.
It's not all about the business deals, in my opinion.
So I just wanted to ask you, so you are an immunologist.
And what was the other thing you were immunologist?
Microbiology.
Microbiologist. But you're a scientist as opposed to a medical doctor.
Yeah.
For me, a medical doctor trained in the UK, trained pretty well, I think much better than my colleagues,
because I could see through what was happening in 2020 very, very early.
But that was probably because I was a whistleblower and I had a massive case against the British government.
And, you know, I really suffered for five and a half years in the way that people in China suffer, you know.
But I realized in the end that if they don't kill you, it gives you tremendous power going through an experience like that,
because it gives you the authenticity to get people to listen to you, because they understand that what you're saying is true.
You know, whistleblowers are true.
That's, I would say, the most important thing about whistleblowers.
If you want to find out about something, you really need whistleblowers inside the organization, because they are whistleblowers for a reason.
They emerge as whistleblowers. They don't even know they're whistleblowers.
They just have this respect for the truth, which is, of course, necessary to solve any problem.
So, but in 2020, all I could see was governments lying to their people all around the world,
saying exactly the same thing in New Zealand as they were saying in the UK and then in the United States and in Australia and all the rest of it, and Canada and Europe.
And I just thought, wow.
All I see is lies that my my whistleblowing case taught me one thing.
I knew a lie when I saw it. I knew who was lying to me.
And in 2020, it was just like I'd been trained to undo it all.
And I just saw all these lies. And I was thinking quite early on, like, you know, within six months, I was thinking to myself as a doctor.
I don't think there was a pandemic.
That was a lie, too. All everything was a lie.
So I think it was a construct, the pandemic.
It was and it was built up over time from AIDS and HIV and all the rest of it, you know, and all the controversy about that.
So AIDS was not a disease that some people say, some very few people say that it was a construct, essentially.
And virology was a construct.
And it was created at the expense of immunology and the immunologists were the kings of medicine in the early 80s, late 70s.
And I knew that. And then their influence declined.
And the virologists took over people promoting the AIDS, HIV and the reason.
And the cause people were terrified.
You know, they didn't even know whether they could kiss another human being.
Or, you know, they might get AIDS.
And I was thinking that I was thinking this possible.
So the fear locked them into this narrative, which was false.
And that was necessary for what happened in 2020 to occur.
Do you think it's possible that the world of virology, which was gaining at the expense of the immunologists who knew about the brilliant immune system in human beings and as a result of the pandemic,
brilliant immune system in human beings and animals.
So they were opposed by the virologists who were saying, no, no, God didn't create the perfect immune system.
Human beings need help from other human beings to with their immune systems.
And that's essentially what it was about.
It was about people who believed in the fantastic immune system, the immense universe, which we can't even explain.
And it was about hubris in human beings.
It was about lack of humility in human beings and lack of maybe lack of a moral code through religion in the UK, for example, where people going to church doesn't happen now.
And I wouldn't even go to church in the UK because I don't see any leaders in the church.
So I just wonder whether you think it's possible that there was no pandemic.
To me, I maybe see a little bit differently.
As a virologist, of course, the different virus is existing, whether it's as a manmade construct or it's a real virus, of course, it can harm people.
It can devastate the whole world.
I can see that. And so the key is that the communist parties took advantage of the virus, took advantage of the situation to bring harm to the whole world.
And so I think it's a waking up call for the world to think about how do we deal with pandemic is more critical because, you know, if we continue to rely on this design of vaccine or some pharmaceutical methods, we are missing a big lesson to learn when we're facing the pandemic.
And I think you address the key things is about the spiritual values, the whole elevation of our spiritual realms.
And how do we help each other under these critical situations?
And I think that's what our creator wants us to be, to help people to have the compassion in our heart.
And so every major disaster in history happened for a big reason.
So I think we need to take this opportunity to learn seriously.
And so I think we are actually probably in a spiritual awakening moment.
And not just in the Western world, also in China.
Yeah, more and more people want spirituality actually right now.
So I think it's a critical time that we make the right choice.
That's a great answer, Sean.
And we maybe don't agree on everything, but I think we have we recognize that we're allies for each other.
And we really need to find allies in difficult times.
Surround ourselves with allies.
You know, they don't have to be perfect allies, but they have to understand the value of loyalty.
And one thing about Trump, he's very good with loyalty.
He's very loyal to people who support him.
And he gives people credit who support.
He never forgets when he gets.
So even Rudd, you know, the Australian, the American ambassador for Australia, the one who criticized Trump before.
Apparently Rudd apologized to Trump when Trump kind of called him out and said, I don't like you either and probably never will.
And after that, apparently Rudd humiliated in front of the world.
He because, you know, Trump's so brilliant at destroying his enemies.
He went up to Trump and apologized and Trump said something like, it doesn't matter.
It's fine. Everything's all right or something.
I just think it's great.
And forgiveness is very important as well.
I just want my last question to you.
Are you a Christian?
And if you are, it doesn't matter if you're not.
But if you are, did it help you in the last five years?
I'm a Falun Gong practitioner.
So this is more a Buddhist school system teaching.
Right.
Yeah.
So I'm not a Christian, but I think my spiritual belief in the Falun Gong also helps tremendously.
Yeah.
So is Buddhism a kind of generous?
I would say that, you know, the Church of England, with all its faults, lack of leadership at the moment, you know, it's quite a generous religion.
I've never heard anything terrible, you know, that I wouldn't say to my own children as a child or as an adult.
And is Buddhism a bit like that?
Or, you know, there are lots of people who are talking about Islam now and a very good.
Sorry.
So Buddhism is just a small part of the Buddhist school teaching.
Right.
So it enters into religion's format.
So there are many, many Buddhist school systems that didn't enter into religion's format.
And so it didn't have the formal kathā, didn't have the formal temple, things like that.
So in Asian histories, the Buddhist school teachings have quite a variety.
But overall, in the Buddhist school, emphasizing compassion.
And so it helps a lot of people.
And so the Falun Gong system is also originated in the center around Buddhist school teaching, but I also have an element of Taoist teaching in there.
So it has truth on its compassion and tolerance.
So usually we're regarding the Buddhist school emphasizing the compassion, the Taoist school emphasizes truthfulness.
The Falun Gong had an additional element, this forbearance, endurance.
But it's all together.
And so in the Falun Gong system, we're regarded as a cosmic nature.
OK, so we actually also believe in Jesus Christ.
He's a mighty God.
And we also believe in the creators.
We also kind of treating the Christianity as a Buddhist school teaching, just not in the Buddhism format.
OK, so you also talk about saving peoples and Jesus returned saving his people.
So we also believe in that.
So overall, it's very natural to Chinese people.
And that's why you can attract so many Chinese people within a few years when they open to the public.
So the Communist Party gets scaled and they want to crack down the whole group.
I see.
OK, well, thank you so much for talking to us.
It's been great talking to you, Sean.
You're very easy to talk to.
Sometimes it's a little bit difficult to.
I'm not a natural speaker.
You know, I've had to learn how to do it.
And I'm not perfect now.
I know that.
But yeah, some people are easier to interview than others.
You're very easy to interview.
And you go.
It's so nice of you.
Thank you.
We will create a video.
We'll send you the link to the video and you can use it however you wish.
You can send it to Trump if you like.
Or the people around him.
So but also you will get a copy of the chat from Charles, I believe.
OK, thank you.
And I hope you've enjoyed.
I hope you've enjoyed the experience.
I know you didn't know who we were to start with, but I hope you know now.
And we've got 2000 members all over the world.
We don't even know ourselves, but they know.
And they were all invited.
So it's kind of an interesting group in a way.
Thank you. Thank you.
I also want to say thanks to Dr. Graves, who invited me to connect with you and for this opportunity as well.
And I should say thanks to her as well, because she's helped me with you.
But she's also helped with other guests.
And I'm really grateful to her.
So Dr. Graves is a medical doctor in Kansas, Missouri, Kansas City, Missouri.
And she helps me a lot.
And she was my contact with you. Yes.
Thank you. Thank you.
And thank you to Charles and everyone attending.
Thank you for accommodating me for two and a half hours.
No, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you, Sean.
We'll try and work together.
But I'm in contact with Carla Dean quite a bit.
So if you're in contact with her, I think we'll naturally come together again.
OK. Thank you very much.
Thank you.