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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.

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This group was founded by Dr Stephen Frost of Wales in mid-2021 during the darkest days

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of the COVID scam responses with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, health and

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freedom.

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Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower

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and activist.

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His medical specialty is radiology, so he clearly sees through most things and can particularly

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see through crap.

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Sadly, the need for this group is increasing, not decreasing.

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The forces of evil globally are not disappearing.

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I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.

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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur and my jacket is red because red is the colour of

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passion.

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The people who attend this group are indeed passionate about the aims of this group.

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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago and over the last 11 years

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I have helped several parents and lawyers to strategise remedies for vaccine damage

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and damage from bad medical advice.

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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.

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I also note that in America the third highest cause of death is medical misadventure or

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bad medical advice.

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I must say I must dig out.

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It's hard to get the data.

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I'll have to dig it out for Australia.

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We comprise here lots of professions, doctors, lawyers, naturopaths, homeopaths, healers,

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journalists, engineers, writers, researchers, scientists, filmmakers, dentists, nurses,

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investors, financiers, patent experts, professors and educators, primate experts, police, military,

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thinkers, philosophers, peacemakers and troublemakers.

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And we're from the UK, USA, Australia, Canada, Argentina, Sweden, Norway, Borneo, New Zealand,

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South Africa, Czech Republic, Germany, Austria and from other places.

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If you're from elsewhere, please put it in the chat.

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If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself to the chat.

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Of course, Brad and Mike, this doesn't apply to you.

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This is your first time here, but you're well introduced.

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So don't feel you have to put anything in the chat.

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We ask that you show your name on the screen so we know who you are.

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If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio or TV show and Brad Dacus

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does have a TV show or you have written a book, put the links into the chat so we can

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follow you, promote you and find you.

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And indeed, Mike and Brad, please put your links in there and make it easy for people

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right at the start of the chat.

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This group meets at least twice weekly in a true spirit of exploration and discovery

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to increase our understanding of what's going on and how to more effectively preserve and

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fight for truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.

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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War Three and that there are various

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battle lines as part of this war.

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Some of us believe we are in fact in the continuation of World War Two and some people have labelled

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us we're in the 5G war or World War 5G.

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Most of us understand the development of science.

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The wonderful author Michael Crichton wrote, when someone tells you the science is settled,

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reach for your wallet.

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This meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time, Tom Rodman

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runs a video telegram meeting.

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Tom puts the links into the chat if you are able to join.

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Brad and Mike, we hope you can stay for all of that but we understand if you have to leave

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a little bit earlier, that's entirely up to your diaries.

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We will listen to our guest presenters, Brad and Mike, for as long as they wish to speak

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and then we have Q&A.

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If you wish to ask a question, raise your hand using the reactions tab on the bottom

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of your screen.

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Stephen Frost, via long established tradition, asks the first questions.

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There is no censorship.

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It's a free speech environment but we have proper moderation.

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Be patient with the process of the meeting.

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Different people have totally different views about what is important, what is relevant,

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what is nonsense.

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Free speech is crucially important to our fight to preserve our human freedoms.

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The tragedy these days is that a majority of people would choose security ahead of freedom

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and then they end up with neither.

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This group can help you to identify your beliefs and perhaps help you change those that no

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longer serve you.

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This group can help you raise your self-awareness, a crucial factor in your enjoyment and experience

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of your life.

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If you find yourself upset by anything that is said, look inside yourself.

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That's where your upset originates.

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If you are offended by anything, be offended.

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We are genuinely not interested.

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We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another.

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I have a list of nine standard responses to someone who claims to be offended by something

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that I said.

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If you want a copy, I'm happy to share it.

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I urge you to never apologise to someone who claims to be offended.

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Decide to have an open mind.

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It's the fastest way to learn.

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We come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear.

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Fear is the opposite of love.

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Fear squashes you, suppresses you, depresses you.

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Love on the other hand expands you, energises you, enhances you.

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Loving those with different views to your own is a challenge and we encourage you to

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embrace that challenge.

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If you have a solution or a product that will help people, put the details into the chat.

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If you have links and resources that will be helpful, put them into the chat.

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The meeting is recorded and is uploaded within a few days onto the Rumble channel.

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I will put the link into the chat and now welcome to our presenters.

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We've got the law and Christianity, law and religion here together with this is the first,

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I think, Brad and Mike.

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So welcome to the two of you.

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Thank you so much for coming.

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Stephen, well done for organising Brad and Mike.

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We thank you both for giving us your time, wisdom and insights.

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Thank you again, Stephen, for us for creating this group.

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Stephen, do you want to thank anyone who helped you organise Brad and Mike?

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I want to thank the two guests for agreeing to come on at short notice and also Shasta

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who helped me to contact them.

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In particular, Mike, I think, Pastor Mike McClure is the pastor at her church and as

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I understand it, it was the only church in the area in Silicon Valley which was open

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for long periods.

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And poor Mike, well, yes, I'm not sure how badly you feel about it, Mike, but you've

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managed to get fines of $2.7 million.

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Is that right?

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That's quite an achievement.

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Yeah, 2.7.

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So I'm hoping to get a loan from all of you today.

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I understand.

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Yeah.

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There's plenty of Yugoslav dinars available here.

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We've got 300 million of those.

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All right.

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But Mike, I couldn't explain because we were so last minute.

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So I think that Brad is only available for an hour.

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And is that right, Brad?

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Well, anyway, and so I just wonder, you know, if you've got something to do for this hour,

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the next hour, and you don't want to listen to Brad, then you don't have to be here.

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I thought that you would be able to do that.

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So I just wanted to explain that I didn't have time to explain that to you and I'm sorry

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about that.

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And I'm sorry also, Bradley, I misunderstood what I was told that you're only available

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for an hour when in fact you may be available for longer.

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But I just wanted to make sure that you understand that I was saying that.

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And I'm sorry to have you come in.

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I'm sorry to have you come in.

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I'm sorry to have you come in.

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I'm sorry to have you come in.

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You're on mute, Brad.

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You're muted, Brad.

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Very good.

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Yeah.

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But I want to be sensitive.

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Pastor Mike McClure, I know he's got things.

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Yeah, he's doing he's got a large church.

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I don't know if you can hear him.

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I think he's got a little bit of a problem.

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He's got a little bit of a problem with his phone.

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And so I just wanted to make sure that you understand that.

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And I'm sorry to hear that.

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I know he's got things.

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Yeah, he's doing he's got a large church.

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So I want to be sensitive to his time as well.

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So Brad, are you available for longer than the hour or not?

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Yeah, just just an hour.

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That's the most I've got, unfortunately.

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So you better go first.

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Maybe you should at least most in this hour.

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And then what do you think, Charles?

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Yeah, Brad goes first.

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And then Mike Mike is here.

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And so we'll be able to talk.

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We'll talk about Brad spiritually after he leaves.

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That'll be perfect.

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Very good.

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Over to you, Brad.

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Is that okay with you, Mike?

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Sure, that's great.

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I'm just honored to be here.

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So I'd like to hear what Brad has to say.

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He's super knowledgeable.

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So yeah, go ahead, Brad.

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I'll be listening.

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Okay, I'm ready.

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And I want you to know, Pastor Mike, that as an attorney,

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most of what I say is going to be true, too.

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So a little lawyer joke there.

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So anyway, a little bit of my background.

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So you understand, I founded Pacific Justice Institute.

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I'm a constitutional law attorney.

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Found a Pacific Justice Institute back in 1972.

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That's more than 25 years ago.

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Now we do all our work without charge,

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always defending religious freedom, parents' rights,

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the sanctity of human life.

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We have more than 150 cases right now in active litigation.

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I'm going to talk about a number of those cases,

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which I think you'll find encouraging,

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but also understanding the breadth and depth

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of what we're involved in

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and addressing these issues involving

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the vaccine mandates and tyranny.

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And I use vaccine for the record up front,

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realizing that the definition has been changed

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and it's really not an accurate usage of the word,

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but for simplicity, I'm going to use it.

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So anyway, we've had this organization,

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we started the organization,

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our attorney general led me to help me get it started.

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Fast forward, we now have 29 offices in 23 states.

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All of them have donated office space.

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The latest we just opened, announced today, was in Hawaii.

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We do all our work without charge once again.

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And we're sort of unique in that we don't just

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cherry pick high profile cases.

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Our goal is to make sure that no one's left on the side of the road,

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that everyone gets the assistance that they need without charge

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dealing with these areas,

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religious freedom, parents' rights, sanctity of life.

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And I want to make that really clear because oftentimes

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people need assistance dealing with this topic.

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They don't know where to go,

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or some organizations that purport to do religious freedom

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aren't touching these at all.

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And I know that firsthand.

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So I want you to make note of this,

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to refer people to us if they need help or assistance.

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Most of our work is United States,

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but we do get involved in certain circumstances

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dealing with religious asylum.

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For example, we helped about 100 Christian Afghan refugees

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escape a refugee camp,

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in a Muslim country and be able to come to the United States.

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So we do get involved in some of that.

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I also do speaking tours.

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I've done in South Korea and Hong Kong and Honduras,

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but generally speaking, our cases are here in the United States,

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although I am very open to travel.

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So I just, and I without charge.

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So always feel free to take note of that.

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If we're going to serve you informationally

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or in terms of cases or empowering

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in some way with our resources online,

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feel free to go there, pji.org, pji.org.

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There's other attorneys and other organizations

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doing great work.

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I can only talk to you about what we're doing.

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And I know we have more offices in more states,

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helping more people in more cases

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than any other organization in the country, bar none.

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And so we're here to serve you.

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We're here to help and represent you,

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but there are others out there doing good work as well.

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I would go into some of the stats involving COVID and the vaccines,

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but you guys are a unique audience.

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You guys know the stats.

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You know them forward and backward.

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And so I'm not going to waste time on that regard.

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I do want to, though, to let people know right up front,

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none of you are doctors and have patients dealing with,

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you know, brain fog resulting from the vaccines.

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I encourage you to look at alternative treatments.

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I had, here's my personal story, when I had the COVID-19

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and what was called COVID-19, if you will,

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I had it very severely.

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I didn't get the vaccines.

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I was thinking about the J&J maybe.

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I was doing my research, but I'm very meticulous on details.

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And by the time I was even halfway done, I got COVID.

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So it was sort of decided for me.

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I had a fever for 13 days straight.

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Every day I was getting worse and worse.

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Had to be run to ER twice.

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Had a widespread viral pneumonia in my leg.

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Viral pneumonia in my lungs, I have asthma.

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Wasn't looking pretty.

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But fortunately, I went outside of my traditional medicine,

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which is Kaiser, who was going to do nothing for me.

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And instead, I talked to some specialist doctors

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who I know personally and trust.

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And they changed my regimen.

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Hydroxychloroquine didn't really help me

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because I took it too late.

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But on the flip side, though, I did get medications

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that did help me, not the remdesivir.

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Definitely not that.

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And I was able to get some protocol,

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which allowed me to recover.

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But then afterwards, I had this brain fog.

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And I have a TV show.

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It's on his channel.com called Brad Dacus Live.

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And I also have a radio program called The Dacus Report.

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And that's heard on over 800 stations and transmitters

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across the country.

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We don't pay a penny for this, for any of our broadcasts.

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But I was doing my recording for my show,

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Brad Dacus Live, for his channel.

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And it was after I recovered.

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It was on a Monday.

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And after I was done, the producer came out and says,

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OK, Brad, you're not coming back this week.

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Come back next week.

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You're not all here.

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And I thought I was fine.

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I says, what are you talking about?

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I looked at my co-host at the time.

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And I said, I'm doing fine, right?

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And he just looked down.

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Of course, I was his boss, so I can see why he didn't want

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to say anything.

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So I took the hint.

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And what I did is one week later on the following Monday,

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before the show, early in the morning,

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I went to see a gentleman named Ron Weinstock.

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He has a clinic called Quantum Research in Tustin, California,

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in the United States.

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And he's patented and developed an electron modular therapy

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process that's great for anyone with a brain injury.

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It's great for neck and back pain issues, joint pains.

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It helps to stimulate the nerves and to reconnect the nerves,

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et cetera.

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I'm not an expert, so I'm just sort of giving you

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a layman's rough description.

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He gave me one treatment, 30 minutes, with the electrons

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going crisscrossing.

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I was back to normal like that.

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I will go back to the studio.

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They said after the show, they said,

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you're 100% back to normal.

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A gentleman I met after that, Northern California,

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I was talking to him.

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And he said, yeah, I used to be a physical therapist.

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Now I'm on disability.

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I can't process.

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I can't think.

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I have brain fog.

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And I told him about what I did.

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He said, do you think it'll work for me?

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I said, I get the next flight down to Southern California

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as soon as possible.

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I said, that's how confident I am.

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He calls me about four days.

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It's like, I think he had like 10 days of treatment

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over two weeks.

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He called me after four or five days.

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And I hear him crying on the phone saying,

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I'm back to normal.

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I am back to normal.

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I can, I'm back to normal.

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Thank you.

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So if you know of people in a bind who have brain fog,

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anything to do with a neurological condition

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that could be, they need assistance

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and traditional medicine is not helping them,

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this is something I want to look into.

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Something else I've discovered also is a usage of probiotics.

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I've heard it's effective.

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I've talked to someone who uses that, who does that,

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that actually administers that.

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But there's a lot of things I think we need to

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and be diligent to look at as we deal with people

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who have these problems.

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You know, the milk has been spilled.

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Now, how do we clean it up?

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And I think that should be a great talking point

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on your program in the future.

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But I wanted to mention that in case it can help someone out

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there, I've let pastors know, I've even mentioned on my radio

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show, my television show, and we're having a new TV show

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coming out, but I'll leave that for another time.

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So, Brad, what we're doing-

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So, Ron, we're on Weinstock, and what's the,

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in California, what's the business called?

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Yeah, it's Quantum Research.

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And I'm going to just pull it up real quickly here.

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And maybe someone could put it on the chat while I'm talking.

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But his phone number is Errico3107.

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770-2615-310-770-2615.

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And it's been, he's been absolutely,

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he's benefited so many people.

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I actually, to make a long story short,

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I had a major head injury, brain injury when I was 16.

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This has all been reconstructed, FYI.

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Guy did a great work in healing.

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I worked my tail off, reconnected a lot of neurons.

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I put myself through undergrad, got my degree in finance,

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was a 3.86 at Texas A&M, worked a couple of years,

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put myself through one of the top 20 law schools,

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University of Texas.

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So I bounced back really well, but I had these,

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these endorphins would be released about once a month,

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once every other month.

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And then I'd have to, 45 seconds to get my head to the ground

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or I'd pass out.

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This happened for 40 years.

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And how I originally met Ron Weinstock was,

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I went in and to see if his electrons

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could help rewire and get things moving faster.

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It was just like you do with a car.

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It's like a tune-up.

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And now I have these, the scar tissue, I guess, has gone down.

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Endorphins don't build up like they used to.

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It's maybe once every six months.

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This is after a 40-year continual.

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I'm sharper, less snappy according to my wife.

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So I think there's a lot of,

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I'm just sort of pouring this on the table.

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This is maybe not the best for my purpose, but

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if you know people with any kind of neurological issues,

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it's not just dealing with brain fog.

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It deals with a lot of other things

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that can really help people reach their optimal.

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Even people with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's

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has helped them at least deal with the symptoms.

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So anyway, just FYI, I'm throwing that out there.

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Pacific Justice was involved in the tyranny from day one

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when it comes to the shutdowns.

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Of course, Mike McClure in his case, very bold pastor.

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I've very high regard to him for how he took on that case

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and took the route that he did.

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We at Pacific Justice Institute, in addition,

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we defended five churches there in the same county

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in San Jose area, Santa Clara County.

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And it was called the Gateway Church case.

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We went ahead strategically.

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We didn't file immediately.

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We wanted to wait for a greater disparity

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between the churches and the strip clubs

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and everyone else that had opened.

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We filed it strategically.

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Our chief counsel, Kevin Snyder, is very brilliant,

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very gifted, and we timed it perfectly.

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So we filed for an emergency injunction

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and we did not receive it.

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We did not get an injunction from a temporary restraining

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order, preliminary injunction from the lower federal court.

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We appeal it to the NICER Court of Appeals.

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We filed a writ.

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That was denied as well.

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TBL will open up the churches.

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The business deal was California-minded.

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It was also against the governor of California,

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Governor Gavin Newsom.

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Because the blue states, like California,

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which are more liberal-dominated,

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are the most intolerant.

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That's just the way how it's all panned out.

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So we were busy in the blue states like California,

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New York, et cetera.

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Then from the Ninth Circuit, we filed what's called

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an emergency writ with the US Supreme Court.

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It's very difficult to get a case heard by the Supreme Court.

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Traditional protocol would give you,

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takes a long time and you have a less than 1% chance

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of them taking up the case.

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But instead, what we did is we filed an emergency writ.

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These are like 1 in 10,000 chance of getting it.

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It's extremely remote.

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They'll take these up.

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It's usually in death penalty cases,

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are the kinds that they take up.

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And those are usually denied.

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Well, they took it up.

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And Kevin did a great job putting the case together

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so that they would take it up.

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But they've heard it in just three days.

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Three days.

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Okay, this is Easter time.

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Great things happen in three days.

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I'm just saying.

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So in just three days, the Supreme Court decided the case,

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six to three, ordering Governor Gavin Newsom of California

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and the County of Santa Clara,

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open those churches now.

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And they did.

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And it sent shockwaves across the country,

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resetting the assumption and the precedent, if you will,

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so that no longer were courts to assume

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that the Constitution could ever be put on the shelf

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or the rights under the Constitution.

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For the United States, we're talking about

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the First Amendment, the free exercise rights,

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freedom of association, free speech, et cetera,

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that are sort of wrapped up in this kind of a scenario.

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So it was a very, very effective, very important.

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Well, that was the first tidal wave.

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Then we had the second tidal wave,

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which I never dreamed we'd have.

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I'd have two tidal waves, legal tidal waves in my lifetime.

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First, we helped countless numbers,

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thousands and thousands of churches across America

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through our teams.

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But then the second one came, which was

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people having the vaccine mandates

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and losing their jobs massively.

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So we stepped up on these

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and very strategically took them on.

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We started with our website becoming the number one

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center point for information for people to get

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in terms of what their rights are

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and how do they preemptively respond to these mandates

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and keep their jobs or be in a position

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to be able to defend themselves in terms of their jobs,

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in terms of their military occupation

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for employers, students, and the like.

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So we did that.

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And so we had dealt with hundreds of thousands

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that we provided this assistance for, always without charge.

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The employees were the most common.

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And of course, I'm not going to give you a lecture on the law.

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We have some attorneys on here.

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In fact, some I'm sure could probably do a better job

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than myself in terms of the application of Title VII

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and some of the nuances.

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But we started filing lawsuits arguing Title VII violations

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for those who had expressed a sincerely

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held religious belief or objection to being forced to take

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the COVID-19 vaccinations that at the time were being mandated.

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We were, they've been very effective in,

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I'd say most of these cases.

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We've seen that the trend that we've seen happen

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since the beginning versus now is that successes

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are becoming more and more likely, not less likely, more likely.

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And this is partly because I believe the case law

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that's come out from Trump appointee justices in particular,

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which have had a very positive impact

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as well as the Supreme Court decision and the like.

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But also the change in terms of the understanding

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of science and the studies, what was once conjecture

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and just simply an understanding of the unknown

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and the risks of the unknown are now known, clearly, resolutely.

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We have an attorney whose job it is,

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he's out of our Mississippi office.

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He's doing research, gathering the research and the studies

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and the data showing the harm of the COVID-19 vaccinations

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and the implications of that because we're using that now

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in our litigation.

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So it's not just a pure constitutional perspective

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in First Amendment or Title VII.

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We're now using this evidence to shoot down

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even though a rational basis argument

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for government actions, for government mandates.

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And that's been very helpful on the private sector.

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It's also been very helpful as well in balancing this out.

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So we're very grateful to those who've done these studies,

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some of them are maybe on this program now.

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We're extremely appreciative of that

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because it's helping us in our litigation

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and our many cases across the country.

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Just some of the examples.

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So like San Francisco decided to fire,

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just point blank, effectively fire about a thousand employees

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and they didn't have an opportunity

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for reasonable accommodation.

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They didn't have a sitting down with them

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to look about how they can be accommodated.

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They were just denied, fired.

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We have filed a major class action lawsuit

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on behalf of them.

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That's just one of those 150 plus cases.

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That's just one of them representing

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about a thousand employees.

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We have Bay Area Transit workers is another major case.

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Firefighters in Washington State, doctors

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and across the country and nurses.

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We've had great successes.

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Children's Hospital of Orange County is one class example

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that I was personally engaged in.

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And we're very pleased about how that has turned out.

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We had one of our affiliate attorneys spearheading that case

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did an excellent job.

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And so we've dealt with a lot of doctors, nurses, hospitals

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and we found that to be very effective moving forward

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in states all across the country, Arkansas, everywhere.

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Then we also have dealt with not only employee cases

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but also employer situations where you have employers

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have their private business where they don't want

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to require their people to wear masks

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or want their employees to require them

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to have vaccines.

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On the flip side, they don't want to be sued

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for creating a dangerous health environment

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going against the standards at the time of the CDC.

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Well, we stepped in and we provided some great Zooms

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on this to train them.

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Also some information on our website

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dealing with this as well on how to balance that

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in a way that does not mandate these requirements

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on their employees but is done in a way

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that diminishes the risk element of being sued

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for creating a harmful work environment.

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I would get into that but you guys are probably not interested

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in that particular subject so I'm not going to go there

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but if you know anyone in business in that situation,

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now or in the future, have them feel free to contact us

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because it's a real fine tightrope

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but it's a very effective policy

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and I'd say probably none of the people

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that we've counseled I know has been sued

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or much less have lost a lawsuit

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so we've been really helpful in that regard

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and helped a lot of employees indirectly.

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Students were being mandated to be vaccinated

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and wear masks so in Florida, for example,

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we had a rogue school district, Palm Beach County.

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That area, that school district,

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was requiring kids to wear masks

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even though the governor issued executive order,

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Governor DeSantis saying no child shall be required

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to wear a mask in a school district,

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attended to an attended public school.

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There were about 11,000 parents who had opted their children

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out of wearing masks and for good reason.

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As many of you know in the medical profession,

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the psychiatric profession, social development perspective,

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you understand that, I won't go there, the data's there.

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We stepped in, we represented these parents and we prevailed.

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None of them had to wear masks

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but it became even more gnarly, if you will,

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in the San Francisco Bay Area where we had,

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there was about 40 school districts that went rogue

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in California that on their own were requiring vaccinations.

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One of those was a Contra Costa school district.

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We stepped in, went into court and we got it halted

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so that these kids were not going to be jabbed

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with one of these very controversial

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and now we know medically dangerous vaccines.

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That was very important in helping us protect a lot of kids in California

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and we've stepped up and we're able to do that

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in anywhere in the country where a school district

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or a state attempts to put these kind of mandates on children.

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It's very, very important

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and for the medical reasons that you're all familiar with.

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So I'm skipping all the facts, the medical stuff

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because once again, I'm assuming you guys know that

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and have already covered it or will cover it even more better than I could.

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So college students, some were being booted out of med school.

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We got some cases dealing with this where they're done with the university,

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they've gone to med school, they're now at the hospital

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getting their, doing their whatever, interning, if you will.

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And the hospital is one of our cases, has no problem

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with the student not being vaxxed.

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That's okay.

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But the medical school that has to certify the internship, it certifies,

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they're saying, oh no, no, no.

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If they're not vaxxed, then you can't allow them,

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we're not going to respect it.

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And so they're denied.

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We've had it flipped the other way as well in terms of

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they went to school, university, med school.

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Med school doesn't require the vax, but the hospital does.

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And it says they can't do their internship,

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they're interning unless they're vaxxed.

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We've dealt with those, we're dealing with those as we speak.

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And if you know anyone needing assistance with any of these areas,

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please have them contact us.

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Our website is pji.org, P for Pacific, J for Justice, I for Institute.org.

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The military has been an interesting situation

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because they're not actually technically bound by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.

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However, the case law has actually opened up positively for people in the military.

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And so they do have cases.

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We have an expert in this area, Karen White.

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I talked to her today to get an update.

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She heads up an office just outside of Philadelphia, New Jersey area.

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Heads up that office.

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She's handled over 500 people in the military that were going to lose their jobs

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and has done a fantastic job in counseling them and working

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their way around the actual specific guidelines to their particular branch of the military.

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We even have that spelled out fairly well on our website as well, pji.org,

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along with the other categories for employees, employers, etc.

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So that's somewhat difficult, though, because there's not the Title VII.

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The case law is not as strong.

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That said, we are personally optimistic in that I believe after, and this is speculative,

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but I think after the 2024 election, there's a good chance we're going to have someone in

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the White House and a party dominating the Senate and the House that will pass legislation that will

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allow these individuals to be rehired at the very least and brought back into the military,

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which is already very short in its targets for employees and for military service.

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But the more interesting areas we've had to get involved in, though, and sad, is dealing with

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people in critical need of organ transplants. We were approached with this after it being

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discovered that there wasn't anyone able to come in and apparently represent these people.

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There are what I term I made up called medical death row. Medical death row.

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So they need an organ. If they don't get that organ, they're going to die, and they're being

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effectively sentenced to die based on policies of certain hospitals. I say certain hospitals

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because more than nine out of ten hospitals across America do not require organ recipients

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to be vaxxed. Great. However, about seven percent of these hospitals across the country

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are not allowing people to get an organ transplant unless they're vaxxed.

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Now, our attorney and our specialist, who's also as a doctorate in social medicine up in our office

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in Michigan, Detroit, Michigan, Dr. Dave Peters, he's the one who's been taking on these cases,

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and he's discovered something interesting. He's discovered that those hospitals that are adamant

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and obstinate that you must be vaxxed or you don't get to live with an organ transplant,

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it just turns out these are all ones that have contractual arrangements with Pfizer and the big

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med pharmaceuticals in terms of grants and research, etc. Is it a coincidence? We don't think so.

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The hospitals that have been very quick to respond, like Trinity Hospital, they're ones who do not have

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these kinds of financial contractual arrangements with some of the big pharma. We've already saved

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two lives from Trinity Hospital where they agreed to allow them to have their organ transplants.

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These are all people who are ready, able to take it, they need it, they're top of the list,

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and they're being denied. There's about a hundred that we are participating in representing and

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going to bat for. I think it's also interesting to note this is where science is discarded in the name

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of what I call the vaccine cult. I call it a cult because they don't listen to anyone else,

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they're adamant. Some of these managers and people within government, they're adamant.

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They don't look at facts, don't look at science. It's like a cult. That's, I think, a good way to

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explain it. I think that's what we're dealing with some of these hospitals. What they've decided

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to ignore are at least two studies that show that individuals, at least in varying degrees,

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are more likely to reject an organ transplant if they're vaxxed with a COVID-19 vaccine than as

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opposed to those that are not vaxxed. Don't bore me with science. I know that's their attitude and

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it's very frustrating, but we're using that information along with other scientific information

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to litigate. By the way, I just want to make it real clear also, if any of you have anything you

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think that we may not already have in terms of scientific research or studies, feel free, please,

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to let us know and send us that information. You can send it to prez, P-R-E-Z, at pji.org.

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That will be forwarded probably to Ron Hackenberg. He's our attorney out of Mississippi.

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Feel free to do that. I greatly appreciate that as we work together. I stress that as we work

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together. Another area of legal combating I think that could be very helpful is in terms of

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potential liability. Now, these pharmaceutical companies, as you know, under U.S. law, they

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do general immunity from liability when they develop a vaccine. Now, there's a fund set up

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for people who do suffer harm because of a vaccine, but there's not a direct liability to

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these companies. Hence, the problem with the free market system we have is when you take away a risk,

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then the parties like the pharmaceutical companies coming out with these drugs

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don't have that element of risk and potential liability into the equation when pushing and

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promoting and developing drugs. I'm not giving you a prescription here on what we need to change

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in the future. I'm just saying the way things are right now. There's very little holding back

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pharmaceutical companies not only developing these medications but also actively promoting them,

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pushing the government to promote them, and pressuring hospitals, etc. That's where we are.

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That said, there does exist some possibilities, I think, for death disability cases dealing with

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those who've had the COVID-19 vaccination in the following scenario. This is where

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they have worked for an employer that was not bound by a mandate to require the vaccine,

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but the employer on their own mandated the vaccine, point one. Point two, the employee

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expressed a conviction not to be vaccinated. This is the awful case. This one is not necessarily

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critical, but for our purposes, this is the kind of case we're looking for. They may have a

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ideally expressed a religious conviction against taking the COVID vaccine or issue of conscience.

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They made it very clear that that was denied. Then thirdly is when they suffered a serious harm,

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either a lifetime permanent injury or even worse, death. Of course, if it's death, then it would

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need to be a relative, a spouse, or someone like that that would be the party for such a legal

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action. The reason I think these have potential is because if employers in the future, we don't

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really see it happening as much now, but if employers on their own issue these mandates

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and they can see that another company was sued and another company over here was sued successfully,

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they're going to have to take that into consideration in how they adopt their policies

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and not just have a cultic viewpoint from an HR zealot. Instead, they're going to have to go

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through it reasonably, rationally, and methodically. That's what we're encouraging

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companies to do moving forward and are somewhat, but we need plaintiffs for these things.

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We can't do it without plaintiffs. If you know anyone in that situation where they meet those

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criteria, the employer was mandated it. An employer was not mandated by law. Number one.

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Number two, the employee expressed their desire not to have the vaccine. They have religious

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convictions against it. Number three, they suffered injury of some notable measurable kind of injury.

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They should definitely contact us and we can talk about their situation.

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Theoretically, they could have a case even if they didn't have religious convictions.

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They just had criteria one and three. For us, we want the strongest case. We want the highest

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likelihood of prevailing. What we're looking for ideally are those cases that have that second

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criteria of a sincere religious conviction that was expressed and denied, but without that,

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they could still have a bona fide case and we could still potentially refer them

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out to an attorney to represent them moving forward. These are some of the things that

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we're doing, some of our cases across the country. We've led the charge across the United States on

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this from the get-go. It's been a privilege. It's taken us lots of hours and lots of long

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hours on weekends. Our attorneys have worked very diligently. We're still hiring more staff.

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We just opened the office in Hawaii because we have three new cases out there in Hawaii dealing

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with people who are wrongfully terminated because of the jab. We have other cases as well, but these

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are a bit of major priority simply because we had a void to fill and no one was filling it

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with the degree that was needed at the time, that's for sure. If you have any questions,

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I'd be happy to take your questions. Brad, we've got questions. We've got questions. Don't you

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worry about that. Okay, so you're the host. I'll follow your lead. Go ahead. So Brad, that was

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so wonderful to hear because the difficulty for many of us finding lawyers who are not just

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after the money is so distressing for so many people in Australia, but around the world. Anna

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will tell you also in the UK. My question to you is, and I brought to the attention of the group

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previously, the value of vibrational frequencies and vibrational healing that you have experienced

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and talked about with Ron Weinstock. Crucial everybody, I'll put the link into the chat to

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the Alliance for Natural Health International, but how are you funded? How can you do this for

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nothing? Well, I appreciate that question a lot. And before I answer it, let me just clarify.

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Ron Weinstock has patented using electrons, so it's a little different, but he did it for

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over 20 years. He's treated Marie Osmond, a lot of people. So for accuracy, I want to make

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mention it's a electron. It's not electricity either. It's just a pure electron frequency

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that anyways, it's proven to be very, very effective. And he's going to be franchising that

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and getting licenses all across the United States and in other countries as well. If you're

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interested in that end of it, bringing having brought into your medical practice, perhaps I

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just I contact you about that as well. So as far as a PGI, well, we're funded by moms and dads,

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grandmas and grandpas, people that we've represented, they appreciate our work. We

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don't charge them. We don't pester them afterwards. We do our work without charge. And it's,

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like I say, a lot of moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas out there appreciate our work. Some

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employers appreciate it and they support us. A growing number of churches do. I identify myself

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as an attorney, but I also have to confess I am also a commissioner in ministry, a minister, and

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I do a lot of preaching, expository preaching from the word. And hopefully this won't disqualify me

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for what I'm saying. But if it does, we'll talk afterwards. But anyway, I do a lot of guest

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preaching at churches, a lot of Calvary chapels, churches all across the country and even outside

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the United States. And I do that completely without charge. Right now I'm preaching out of 2 Timothy

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chapter three into chapter four, which gives us a blueprint of how to respond to the tyranny of the

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last days is very positive, as well as concluding with the good news of how people can have a real

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personal relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ, which is a hope that has to be a

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part of the equation, in my opinion, for the long-term healing of our nation and the nations

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who have been so adversely impacted by tyranny. But anyway, if people want to support our work,

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they can do it very easily on a one-time or monthly basis. It's even more appreciated.

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Just go to our website, pji.org and you can click it very easily to do that. It's tax deductible.

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If you're in the United States, it's a we're a 501 C3. So just go to pji.org pji.org.

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Well, that's magnificent. And I think all of us should take note and perhaps use your model in

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our respective countries to do that, because the support that you're getting from normal moms and

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dads, I think that's also highly, highly noteworthy for us on this call.

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Yeah. Well, thank you. And also, we've helped a lot of private schools as well,

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to help them reopen across the country much earlier. And I know a number of them appreciate

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our work. But we're most importantly, people need to know we're here without charge. That's what we

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do. All our employees are trained that the first question they need to ask when meeting someone

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on behalf of Pacific Justice Institute is, what are their needs? And then how can we help them?

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How can we serve them? And I think you'll find that true is if you contact us and need assistance,

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and we're here to help. Thank you. All right, Stephen, over to you.

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And now you're muted, Stephen.

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You're the lawyer, we've been looking for for three years. Having said that, we are in touch with

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some brilliant lawyers, Todd Callender in Texas, I don't know if you know him.

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Well, Walter Mendenhall in Ohio, Warner Mendenhall, sorry, Warner Mendenhall in Ohio.

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And of course, Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Mary Holland and that team, Thomas Renz. We don't really know

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Thomas Renz, do we Charles? I keep thinking about him and then I forget. But Brad, wonderful that

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you have anticipated that many people can't afford lawyers. And I'm stunned that you have

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anticipated that many people can't afford lawyers. And I'm stunned. I'm really stunned in the UK,

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where I am. None of the lawyers see any human rights violations, which they need to address

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on behalf of their country and the world. I'm really stunned. And I get the answer from

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people in this group, that of course, you have to pay lawyers for them to do anything. I don't

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accept that. These are extraordinary circumstances where every person in the world has been

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psychologically tortured by their own governments into a state of Stockholm syndrome and the lawyers

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can't do anything. And not only that, but treason and the lawyers can't do anything unless they're

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paid. Crazy. So good for you, Brad. Absolutely wonderful what you're doing. And yeah, I'm sure

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you can sleep well at night. Yeah. Well, let me just say as far as the UK goes, I've worked there

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for a few months, once a long time ago. And we would love to help in that regard and in other

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countries. If there's attorneys in those other countries that are going in alone, you know,

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we have different laws, obviously, although many of our much of our law from comes from the UK

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through common law. But nevertheless, we would love to provide whatever assistance and ideas

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that we can for any attorneys anywhere in the world that is fighting this kind of tyranny.

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They shouldn't hesitate to contact us. And once again, I'm personally I'm open to

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going outside the United States to speak to the extent to which you could give assistance.

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That's very, so that's very important too, because this is a global problem. It was a global coup d'état

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in March 2020, as far as I'm concerned. And it was definitely planned because you can't get

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one hundred and ninety four countries to do roughly the same thing in response to a pandemic

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that never was. There was no pandemic and neither was there any new killer disease,

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in my opinion, as a medical doctor. And I'm still learning about that,

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that argument and that concept. So I can help you with that.

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My friend Thomas Quinn is helping me as well. So very good. Give me I think it's very important

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that we all connect and especially I have difficulty in believing there's a God,

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but I'm getting very warm to people who do believe there is a God, because at least they have values,

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at least they have borders which they respect and they know that their God will punish them

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if they do wrong. That is very good. Well, I want to recommend, especially being a Brit,

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recommend C.S. Lewis's book, one of his books, A Mere Christianity. It was very impacting on me

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and it may be helpful for those interested in that question of God and God's existence.

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But even if we don't, just from a humanitarian perspective, it's even an egalitarian perspective.

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What's happened has been a travesty and irrespective of our reference point,

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we cannot refute the studies, we can't refute the results, we can't refute the impact and the

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degrade of human dignity and human rights endowed to us by our Creator. So I think that I really

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appreciate the diversity of individuals and their thought that comes together during these Zooms.

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Thank you so much. So I agree with you, Brad, you said that these people are, you described,

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like a cult, I've underlined it here four times, like exactly what I've been saying. So you're in

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California, I've never spoken to you before, you come out with exactly the same thing. So they're

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in a cult, yes, they've been psychologically tortured by their own governments into a state

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of Stockholm syndrome, that's what's happened. And I was going to ask, are you looking for

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very important principle cases, which obviously have the disadvantage of being possibly complicated?

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So what I was thinking was, you know, in my view as a medical doctor, there is absolutely no doubt,

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and I can put you in touch with psychologists around the world, including Matthias Desmet,

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professor of psychology at Ghent or Hent University in Belgium, and Mary-Jane De Niro,

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and Meredith Miller, she's a very, very perceptive person with knowledge of psychology,

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and David Sher-Lambos in the UK too. So in my view, everyone is a victim of the deliberate

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psychological torture. And so in the United Kingdom, that means that everyone is a victim

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of grievous bodily harm from their own governments. So grievous bodily harm,

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people think that that's it. So that's a UK crime, if you like. But people in the UK think,

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including lawyers, think that it has to be physical. No, it has to be psychological,

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because it came up in my case against the British government. I was working as a doctor in the

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military, and I came across information which led me to believe that there was some massive

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drug scandal in the military, and there began a five and a half year legal case. I was a whistleblower,

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I didn't know what a whistleblower was, I just spoke the truth as a doctor. So what I ask of you

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is all these people around the world have been psychologically tortured. Could we do a test case

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maybe involving British lawyers? I can put you in touch with British lawyers too. Well, I'd love to

847
0:52:59 --> 0:53:08
be in contact with attorneys all across the country that have a heart for this and are open

848
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and interested in putting our heads together in this regard. We at Pacific Justice, we defend

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religious freedom, parents' rights, sanctity of human life, and our cases fall neatly in one or

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more of these categories as we take them on. In terms of the COVID vaccine mandates, it's usually

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in the context of an issue of conscience, conviction, or religion for that matter that's

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being required to violate. That in itself, of course, has tremendous psychological implications

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when someone is required to go against something that they deeply believe in is right or wrong.

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In fact, in the psychiatric profession, one of the principles premises is that they're not to

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counsel anyone in a way that forces them or causes them to be in direct conflict with their deeply

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held religious beliefs. It's psychologically very harmful, very damaging. And so from that angle,

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I can see what you're alluding to possibly being very helpful to some of our cases

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where I think you're able to prove it up even easier when you have someone with deep

859
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religious or issues of conscience. So, Brad, I don't know whether you've thought of this or

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whether anybody suggests, but it seems to me that people, you know, their way of life, their

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countries have been attacked, their culture, their way of life has been attacked. That means

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their identity has been attacked. That's a massive psychological blow. That explains why so many

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people appear to be in a state of, you know, regressed into childhood, very childish, I find,

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many of my former friends, you know. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of another area I want to hit on with

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regard to the damage, psychological damage, this deals with parental rights, where you have a

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parent who has children that have been mandated to wear a mask and that parent is able to see

867
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implications on that with regard to their child in terms of depression, maybe suicide or

868
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social development, handicapping, which the studies show a mask over a prolonged period does,

869
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especially for the younger the child, the greater the negative impact on their social development

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and communication ability with their reading faces and communicating. So, these are, that's an

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element that can be very helpful to litigation from the parent's rights angle, if you will,

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where parents have had their children harmed because of a mandate and ideally a mandate that

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the parents expressed resistance to or objection to in some capacity. So, I've got three sons.

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I can only imagine how a parent feels when he or she is incapable or feels incapable of defending

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their own children against their headmaster or their headmistress or the damned president of

876
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Harvard Medical School, for example, who thinks it's a good idea to tell his students, the brightest

877
0:56:21 --> 0:56:28
medical students, presumably, hopefully in the US, and target his own medical students.

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I personally would love to see Harvard, Yale, all these Ivy League universities sued to the

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HILT for what they've done targeting poor students who are neither children nor adults

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and their first, but they have the will to go to university, which is so damn strong,

881
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and to go to the nightclubs and whatever, that they will do anything, including taking an

882
0:56:55 --> 0:57:03
dangerous injection to comply with their peers so that they can go and do whatever it is that's

883
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important. So, it seems to me that everybody's talking about the children.

884
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Everybody's talking about the children, but it seems to me that the greatest crime was committed

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against the 18-year-olds, the ones who are leaving home for the first time, going to university, to

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0:57:25 --> 0:57:31
the Ivy League universities in particular, dreamt of their whole lives of doing that, and then they

887
0:57:31 --> 0:57:36
confronted with, you've got to have a vaccination to come here. Absolutely outrageous, and everybody

888
0:57:36 --> 0:57:42
forgot them, thinking, oh, lots of people view 18-year-olds as adults. I don't. You're not an

889
0:57:42 --> 0:57:49
adult in my book until you're 30 plus. It takes a long time to grow up as a human being. Anyway,

890
0:57:49 --> 0:57:54
sorry. That's okay. I would like to work with you, Brad, but I'd rather let someone else ask some

891
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questions. Okay, so we've got three, because, Brad, I know you have to go on the hour, so Janet,

892
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Anna, and Glenn, and then we'll come back to Mike. So, Janet. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, just a couple

893
0:58:06 --> 0:58:13
of points. Regarding organ donation, do you know whether any of the organ donors were required to

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be vaxxed, and are there any preliminary data sets regarding the likelihood of organ rejection

895
0:58:19 --> 0:58:25
by the recipient as a result of the donors being vaxxed? No, actually, I don't have information on

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that. I don't think we do. That would be great if someone had any information on that. That'd be

897
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nice to have. Also, I understand there's a talk of the need for blood banks with blood that is

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from people who are not vaxxed. Yeah. And that apparently is another issue that hopefully the

899
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free market will step in and the government will allow to develop, because there's definitely a

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need for that. Yeah, and just the other point was you mentioned brain fog at the beginning.

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0:58:57 --> 0:59:01
And I just wanted to mention the fact that brain fog is actually a prominent symptom of

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0:59:01 --> 0:59:08
electrosensitivity to electromagnetic radiation from wireless devices. And of course, they've been

903
0:59:08 --> 0:59:15
increasingly used in recent times, people working from home and so on, and that it can be avoided by

904
0:59:15 --> 0:59:21
a certain extent by cabling devices. And this is particularly relevant in schools, because children

905
0:59:21 --> 0:59:27
are more likely to be adversely affected by the radiation. So that was just the point I wanted to

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raise for people. Real quick, you said tabling devices, is that right? Cabling, cabling. So like

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0:59:33 --> 0:59:39
ethernet instead of wireless for particular schools. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I've heard that.

908
0:59:40 --> 0:59:45
Thank you. Thank you, Janet. Very relevant. EMF's hitting us left, right, and center. Just imagine 150

909
0:59:45 --> 0:59:50
years ago, how few electromagnetic frequencies were hitting us compared to now. So Janet,

910
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it's a salutary point for all of us to be aware of. So Anna, then Glenn. Hi, Brad. I'm a UK lawyer.

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Like you, I believe in providing justice for free. So I absolutely salute what you're doing.

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And indeed, I've been doing precisely that for the past three years, working pro bono.

913
1:00:11 --> 1:00:19
But it's unsustainable. And, you know, I don't agree with Stephen that you can expect lawyers to work

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for nothing on major litigation that goes on for minimum months, usually years. Because, for example,

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I'm a single mother, I have nine mouths to feed. You know, who feeds my children if I don't?

916
1:00:35 --> 1:00:40
Who pays my rent if I don't? So this whole idea that somehow lawyers can just,

917
1:00:40 --> 1:00:45
you know, work for nothing is completely untenable. Now, I've been asking the UK

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1:00:45 --> 1:00:52
to set up a legal fund, because it sounds like you're funded, you know, to, you know, so that we

919
1:00:52 --> 1:00:58
lawyers can actually run these cases. But nobody's done it. I've been promised for two years by all

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kinds of groups that they will set up a legal fund because they recognize that even if they think the

921
1:01:03 --> 1:01:08
lawyers should work for free, you can't expect the experts to work for free. And you can't pay

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1:01:08 --> 1:01:16
the court costs out of thin air. You know, you can't pay. Sorry. You know, there are costs.

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I personally, so Anna, we've had this discussion before. I know. Normally, I agree with you.

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I was going to finish the point by saying that what I'd like to do is have a conversation with

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you, Brad, offline to find out how you're managing to do it. Because if you have indeed found a

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business model where the lawyers can work and they get their basic costs paid, you know, because you

927
1:01:38 --> 1:01:43
have to I have to fund professional indemnity insurance, practicing certificate costs, etc.

928
1:01:43 --> 1:01:48
So those are costs that you have to bear before you even work for free. So, you know, it's

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unrealistic, naive, and it's not working, which is why we're in the present situation, which is an

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1:01:54 --> 1:02:00
existential threat to humanity. I'm sorry. Everyone can be expected to work for nothing.

931
1:02:00 --> 1:02:05
Yeah. But Stephen, who feeds the children? You know, you know, you guys, let me just break

932
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Let me just say this. I get both your points. In the long run, we like we have attorneys who volunteer

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pro bono, but they do like one case at a time for a limited period of time, because you're right,

934
1:02:19 --> 1:02:24
they've got mouths to feed. What we discovered we had to do is we had to actually bring on the

935
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attorneys either full time or part time, we pay them, we pay them at a rate much less than what

936
1:02:30 --> 1:02:35
they could make in the private sector, but it's enough to take care of their needs. They're driven

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by calling. And it works. We get no money from the government ever. Ours is from individuals,

938
1:02:43 --> 1:02:49
like I said, who make it make it possible. I love to work with you. I love to connect with you and

939
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to see what we can possibly give you in terms of ideas of how to structure something together.

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But in UK has some nice advantages that about their legal system as well, that allow them to

941
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streamline and in some ways be much more efficient. But one area though is this is an area of I think

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where people assume that if it's legal, it's going to be covered by the government in the UK.

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And this is an area that's not. And so having to retrain that thinking of individuals getting

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involved and supporting is a different ball game for I think the UK more than the United States.

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So I'd love to work with you, talk with you, partner with you. We've partnered with attorneys

946
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across the world and we serve them. We work with them. That's our attitude. We have a servant

947
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attitude and we'd love to see what we can do to serve you and the wonderful work you're doing.

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Thank you.

949
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Brilliant.

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Thanks, Janet. Glenn, quickly. Then we've got Brad Goh and then we've got Mike McClure coming on. So

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Glenn, be quick and then we'll be in trouble with Brad. He'll yell at us.

952
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I deal with a lot of high level things, including the issue of the DOD taking control of the

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vaccines and the super court that's in place because of the health emergency. And that kind

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of thing has really affected people. Lawyers like Todd Callender, where at a federal level,

955
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they've basically taken the two by four between the eyes. I'm sort of curious in your case,

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do you think some of the cases sort of have gone more normal for you in part because the cabal

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and the oligarchs on the other side don't want to rile up the religious world from anger and

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therefore are trying to tamp down some of the cases you're dealing with so they don't get a

959
1:04:34 --> 1:04:40
lot of exposure? Yeah, interesting. I would say 20, 30 years ago I would have said, yeah, they

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probably don't want the religious community pattern. Today's society, I don't think it's

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really determined. I think it's one of more just fiscally looking at the cost of a case that

962
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they look at and now realize there's chances are more likely not they're going to lose. I think

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it's just more of a monetary issue. And those who have vocalized a sincere religious objection,

964
1:05:06 --> 1:05:11
of course, they inherently have a much stronger case because they fall under Title VII,

965
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which is the biggest bat in the room that you can use, in my opinion, dealing with employment

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discrimination cases involving COVID-19 vaccines. So I think it's more of just one of reality

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combined with financial pragmatism. What's happening in terms of the cases? What's

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happening in terms of the science supporting those cases? And is it really worth the cost of them

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likely losing? And also number four is the reputation. We have, by God's grace and mercy,

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we have developed a very strong reputation across the country. People know who we are, businesses,

971
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the government knows who we are, school districts know who we are. And so when we bring in action,

972
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they know that we're not going to just bow down, we're not going to just go away. We've got the

973
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firepower and the will to take it all the way to Supreme Court if we need to. I think that helps

974
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our cases quite a bit as well. That's why we partner with attorneys and we provide them,

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we'll co-counsel with them on cases to provide them that support as well, even if they're not

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on staff with PJI. Thank you very much. Thank the Lord for all your work. Thank you. I appreciate

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what you're doing and Todd and everyone else out there. I love their work and their professionalism

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and some creative ideas and thoughts that they've utilized. And it's clearly a collaborative effort,

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it's time to work together. And we're seeing the power of that as we move forward. And

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I appreciate all you're doing and I also appreciate all that Pastor Mike McClure has done

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to be so exemplary for his courage to stand up for the government. And

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I know you guys are going to be very blessed to hear what he has to say coming up.

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Very good. Brad, thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations on what you've created. I'm

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will certainly be in touch and I'm going to set up this model in Australia because of the stuff

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that's happening. So congratulations. It's brilliant. You go, Stephen, quick thank you

986
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to Brad because we're going to have Mike on here and Brad has to go. So just very quickly, Brad,

987
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did you say 29 states and you've got 23 offices or something like that? 29 offices in 23 states,

988
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the number is growing. And we open offices, all of them without charge, all of our donated office

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space. But we open offices where we have the cases where there's the need. If I had my way,

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we'd have just one or two offices needed, but that's not what happened. So our growth is not

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because we want to grow. It's just in order to help us pragmatically meet the needs where we have

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multiple numbers of cases. And so how many law firms are there like yours with 20 represented

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in 29 states in America? None. They do the kind of work that we do. There's no one out there that

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has this kind of a model with this kind of number of offices, ableing to help and not just take on

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selective cases, but actually try to make sure everyone gets help. That's why we had to have

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this model. By God's grace, it's happened. And we look forward to serving as many people out there

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that need our assistance as we can. So don't hesitate to contact us. And once again, if you

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want to support our work, it's never ever required, but you can do that at pji.org.

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Feel free to contact us anytime. We'd love to help you.

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And Brad, very quickly, are you interested in the Nuremberg Code? Because I am as a doctor,

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the provisions of the Nuremberg Code and what happened with the Nuremberg trials to the medical

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doctors and lawyers actually, and others after the Second World War, because Anna, who spoke

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earlier, knows from the legal side what happened in Nuremberg. She knows how they went from what,

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the equivalent of what is happening now, to the Nuremberg trials. So in other words, at the time

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the Third Reich was doing those things, of course, everything was legal. But obviously,

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after the war, things changed. And she knows, and she's going to present to us, all the information

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and she's going to present to us on that particular topic, how they got to the

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Nuremberg trials. And I just wanted to ask you a last question. Mike McClure has fines totalling

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$2.7 million. We will find out soon how worried he is about that. But are you able to help him?

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Or maybe you have done already. Well, I understand he has a great legal counsel,

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and we always stand there to assist and represent him to whatever extent he or

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his legal counsel need our assistance without charge. We're there to serve. With regard to

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the Nuremberg trial and the information, it's interesting. It's ideology-wise, it's very

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compelling. Legally speaking, we haven't seen an application to our case law where we can apply it.

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But I definitely admire the trials, because they were premised, mind you, upon not the laws of a

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state or the laws created by man, but by the laws of nature and nature's God. And but for that

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acknowledged and implicit in Nuremberg trials, I don't see how we could have come to the outcome

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that they did, which goes to show how important it is for us to appreciate not only the rights

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that we have, but also where those rights come from, lest we fall and make similar mistakes

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that history has shown us. Exactly. Thank you so much. Anyway, just a little side note there,

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we can talk for hours on that topic later on. Anyway, God bless you all once again. If we can

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ever serve you, please let us know. And thank you, Pastor Mike McClure, for all that you're going to

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talk about. I know it's going to be a big blessing to the audience as well. Thank you. Thank you very

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much for coming on, Brent. Thank you so much. Thank you. God bless. Take care. Bye-bye. So, Mike,

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welcome.

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Welcome.

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Great to be here with you, Charles and Stephen.

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Mike, you might think that's a hard act to follow, but the passion comes from us, we hope, and

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we'll manage to ramp it up for you too.

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Well, I appreciate all that you guys are doing, especially the need as you see World War III. I

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mean, that's why I think what's going on is we're really engaged in a geopolitical war where our own

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governments are slowly taking all of our rights, leading to what we refer to as the globalists.

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I think that's happening in our case. We're kind of central of Silicon Valley, the shutdowns. When

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this whole thing started with COVID-19, it began right here, and our health director for the county

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was the first one to shut down, first one to acquire all the things that now spread around the

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world, and the last one to open up. So they've just decided to make an example out of our church.

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But I don't know what all you want me to share or what I could do to help.

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So, Charles, so I did say, so what I wanted you to talk about, because people on the call

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find it very interesting, is if you want to share it with us, you know, your child, why do you think

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you stood out amongst the churches in your area, or was it California? So if you could clarify that.

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But what was it about your upbringing, if you like, and your parents that made you different from the

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other pastors, you know, so, and how your school life was, I think that's very interesting to all

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of us. Well, it is certainly to me. And other things that have happened maybe in your life that

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you think have prepared you possibly for this time, which is unprecedented, isn't it?

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It depends on how much you want to share with us.

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I'll share whatever you want. I don't talk too much about myself, but I'll just say I grew up

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in Southern California, and, you know, my family's, one was an engineer, you know, on my dad's side,

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my grandfather. His uncle built the Hoover Dam. He was a commissioner for the state. California,

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my other grandfather who I lived with, he was a doctor at the Mayo Clinic, and a fellow there,

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and, you know, he taught all the major universities. So both those men, I mean, definitely had influence

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in my life growing up, as I mentioned, as a pastor's kid. I think, you know, someone was on

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here, I think you were mentioning it too, Steven, just, you know, more open to believing in God. And

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I think that is something, you know, for me, I was very aware just that there is a God, you know,

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not just because I was a pastor's kid, but for me, it was when I really began to read the Bible,

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when I began to, you know, study the scriptures, and you realize that, you know, these 66 books

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really speaking about a savior, you know, the Lord, the King, the creator, as you look at

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scripture, what makes it so unique, and the reason it's still around today, is because of its

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prophetic power. You know, Peter writes in his epistle, he says, you know, we, he saw, and things

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that we couldn't see, he heard the voice of God speak on the mountain of transfiguration,

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but he says, we have something better than that, we have the more sure word of prophecy. So Brad

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alluded to it, but as you look at scripture, it doesn't just talk about how to live a good life,

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and who God is, it also tells us, you know, our need for salvation, but it tells us what's going

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to happen in the end. And I think that's what's the most exciting for me growing up in this day,

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is, you know, studying the book of Daniel, who went to Babylon, you know, in the book of

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Genesis, we read about Joseph, who's the most prominent character spoken of in the book of

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Genesis, and he went to Egypt, and he ended up, you know, ruling Egypt, extra biblical accounts,

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you know, call him Imphateph, or Imphoteph, or the God of I Am, this is who he served.

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You look at these men in scripture, and they all had one thing in common,

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they really had a fear and a knowledge of God that we all can have, but I think this day

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that we're living, we see the kind of end of days, the last days, as the Bible refers to it,

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which, you know, for me, studying the scriptures and just going through as a pastor,

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today, the Bible is, it's exciting times, it's very exciting times, it's also,

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in 2 Timothy 3, it says perilous times. So growing up, you know, really in eighth grade is when I

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began to read the Bible, and that changed my life, it set me apart, I think, from my brother's two

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degree. And, and I think just, you know, I have a background, I went to San Jose State in technology,

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I used to do database design, networking, you know, building computers for a small company, and

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again, to start up and you know, just being around the valley for a long time, you start to realize

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they really don't follow our constitution. Most people that live in the Silicon Valley

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are from different countries, maybe a third. And so there's this kind of respect for America

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that I think people have generally had up into the last few years. But they came here kind of

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seeking the American dream. And they realize, you know, this is this is not the America that

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they probably thought they were coming to. So I came up from Southern California,

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go back a little bit when I was 18 or 17, my father came up and took a church here in town,

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in the center really of San Jose. And so I came there in high school with them, I ended up,

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you know, going on to school. And then at the age of 27, I just knew the Lord had called me to go

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into ministry. And my biggest worst nightmare was to actually go work at the church that my

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father was pastoring. So when I ended up serving there, I just, you know, as you as you just see,

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God, it's amazing how he answers prayer, wherever we are, you know, the Bible says in Hebrews,

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chapter 11, verse six, that it's impossible to please God without faith. Meaning we put faith

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in our cars, we put faith in our fridge, we used to put faith in our government, we used to put

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faith in the medical institution, we still sometimes put faith in lawyers. But I think,

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you know, the reality is, why don't we put faith in God? And as Brad mentioned that book by CS

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Lewis, I was just at Oxford, which is interesting, because what they're doing in Oxford is they got

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those districts are creating, they're doing it there in Canada to lock everybody up. And they're

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going to pass this, it looks like you can only go in a different district for 100 days. It's crazy

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what they're getting away with in Great Britain right now. But this is all globalist strategy,

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because you see the same laws being implemented everywhere, just like the United States.

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Someone implements a law in California to do it in Maine, or New York, you know, simultaneously,

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these people are all organized. And the plan's been out for a long time, you know, I got to meet

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Robert Kennedy, Jr. last year to come to our church. That guy knows what's really going on.

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I mean, he knows from the CIA, deep state, but this is a global thing we're up against. And

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a lot of ways, I mean, this is, again, what the Bible talks about. So when I was 27, as I mentioned,

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I came to the church full time, my dad had left and went to Southern California. And so I didn't

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want to be here. I, you know, I wanted to live at the beach or the mountains or anywhere but in the

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middle of Silicon Valley. So I ended up, my wife and I, we have seven kids, being both of us here,

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not really wanting to be here. But I just, you know, I had a heart for the area for the people.

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And I began to see kind of what's going on in our county. Years ago, I was asked to come and pray.

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And, you know, in most United States, even, you know, the Capitol, you know, the Senate, they have

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chaplains because the beginning of the country was very Christian. Most of our laws came right

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out of the scripture. You know, you look at, I know some of you may say, well, you know, we rejected

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the Great Britain back then and we now we're stuck with it. But the idea was, you know, to have a

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country in which we had the freedom to worship the freedom of religion. And so just studying

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history myself, you know, and meeting historians and people that actually had original documents

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like David Barton at wallbuilders.org. But he has more founding father documents than anyone else,

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even the Library of Congress. But you found how intrinsic, intrinsically Christian, innately

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Christian our nation really was. That it was shocking. But they separated, in a way, the powers,

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because it came out of the book of Isaiah 33 that says that God was a king, a lawgiver and a judge.

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So they took some from Rome. They took some from, of course, different governments, but primarily,

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they took it right out of the Bible. So even our three different branches came right from the

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scripture, as did most of our laws. Like the reason Brad's able to do what he does is because

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people get a tax write off. So they donate to him and the government gives him a tax write off.

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That's how these lawyers are able to fund, be funded and support, you know, the small guy and

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help out. And so you really need that tax write off, which I don't think you have in all these

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other countries like in Australia. Anyone from New Zealand on here? Or just, you know, just Australia?

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We've got members in New Zealand, but yeah, there's a problem with the time, although actually,

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it's worse for Charles in Australia. So he has to get in in our summer, the northern summer,

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Charles gets up at five o'clock in the morning like a good boy every Tuesday.

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Who needs sleep? And Sunday.

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And Sunday, Monday, Monday and Wednesday for me. Yeah, he doesn't go to bed till one o'clock.

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And some people, unkindly Mike, tell me that I'm looking tired.

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You just need, it's the, it's the Vegemite. You're lacking some Vegemite.

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Very good, Mike, for you to know that. Well done.

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Yes, exactly. You've learned something from some, oh, maybe Shasta.

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That's it. That's right. Shasta. That's right. Shasta keeps me healthy as well.

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Mike, can you talk about some, so, you know, there are people like me who are interested in,

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you know, where you're all coming from with this, you know, the

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God fearing, shall we say, for lack of a better expression and, and how it kind of keeps you in

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order and keeps your, at least you have some values, you know, which seem to be sadly lacking in

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people these days. It's not that I'm against people having a good time. I love a good time

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myself. I like parties and stuff, but, but you know what I mean. It's like the end of the

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Roman Empire, isn't it? So anyway, I just wondered what you think about, you know, from your

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perspective as a pastor, hubris and humility. You're very humble, I noticed, and that's lovely.

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And also, can you tell us about Silicon Valley? And would I be correct in thinking it's possibly

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the most godless place on earth, or is that unkind? I would say, yes, Silicon Valley is

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definitely not godless in the sense that they don't want to be gods, because that's what they

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want. They want to put their brain in a computer, more or less. You know, this transhumanism is a

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real thing. I remember when I was in the tech industry some years back, the biotech was taken

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off. And now you see guys like Elon Musk, you know, trying to get ahead, so he says, of everybody else.

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But the real goal here is to try to live forever, you know, and I think that's the real issue in the

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world today is we're not going to live forever. You know, man is appointed to die and the Bible

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says, then there's a judgment. And so it's the fear of God that really brings us into reality

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of that we're going to be accountable to someone. I think we all know that to what degree, you know,

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we really understand all that is really what I found, you know, comes from the Bible. But

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you have mankind who's struggling with this idea that we're going to die. It's just unnatural,

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you know, but yet we're the Bible says that we're creating God's image. You know, we're not animals.

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You know, I'm sure there's some that here believe in evolution. I would just challenge you, show me

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the missing link. Like I said, all my professors, you know, I just I think that God has made us as

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relational creatures that we can know him, that we can actually have a relationship with him.

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And that's what he longs for. The problem is man sinful and God's holy separate. And so that's why

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he's sent Christ. That's the whole message of the Bible. I call it his story. It's history. It's

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prophetic. The archaeological discoveries prove it to be true. My grandfather, as I mentioned,

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was a doctor at the Mayo Clinic. He was an atheist or an agnostic, he'd say. And he like used to

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even just started seeking like what does it mean to be a Christian? And my grandmother had become

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a Christian. And the Bible talks about being born again, that you must be born again. John chapter

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three, Jesus said to Nicodemus, the teacher there in Jerusalem, that unless a man's born again,

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he's not not going to see the kingdom of God. And so that means that he discovers in John chapter

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three that you have to be born in the spirit. You're born once, you know, your mother brings

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you in the world. And then now you've, you know, as someone who's fallen in nature, needs to have

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that God breathed life once again. And that's a gift from God, as I mentioned earlier, you know,

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without faith, it's impossible to please God. We first must believe that he is and that he is a

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rewarder of those that diligently seek him. So my challenge to everybody is just spend time diligently

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doing something. You do that at your work. You're studying every day. You've been looking at the

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news. You've been studying all kinds of medical history. You're looking to the logs that you're

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looking at. All the things are going on globally. You spend all this time, spend some time just

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looking at what God had has said to us. And he talks about the end time. You know, you look at,

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you know, my background is technology. So I really enjoy like Revelation chapter 11. It says the whole

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world watches in Jerusalem. These two witnesses are killed and come back to life. That's technology.

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Doesn't use the word technology like dinosaur wasn't used up until like 150 years ago, but it's

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still in the Bible talks about these things. And in chapter 13 of Revelation, there's a mark

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that everyone has to take where you can't buy or sell. That's impossible. You know, you go 100 years

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ago, one person controlling the entire economy of the world. No way that's just not going to happen,

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but it's going to happen. It can happen tomorrow. It can actually happen today. I mean, this, this is

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not far off. And yet the Bible has spoken about these things. So, you know, you, you look at

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history and you look at all that's going on and someone, I think it was Charles said a minute ago,

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it's like the Roman empire is falling. And that's exactly what the Bible says as well,

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that there are 10 toes, the book of Daniel, and these toes are clay and it's a revived Roman empire.

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And what we're seeing today is not a bludgeoning of a Roman empire of iron that can just crush you.

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What you're seeing is 10 toes that are kind of in the image in the book of Daniel, if you read

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chapter two, these image ends up with these 10 toes that are ruling and they're made of clay,

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not iron. So it kind of turns from iron into clay. And that's what we're seeing today. These 10

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rulers who don't have a kingdom. So they're the Mark Zuckerbergs could be the EMUs could be Bill

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Gates, the Rockefellers, the globalists. You look at these people, they're ruling the world right

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now. They're in charge and they think they're going to live forever. They're not, they're not,

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they're going to die because they're men. But the reality is they're only able to run the world

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through fear. So I think of that clay, they have no power. It's just threats, it's pressure. And if

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you push against it, they're going to fall down. You know, they're, they're, they're just cardboard.

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There's no strength behind them. And the only thing that's allowing them to continue is their

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ability to put everyone into fear. There's mass psychosis and hypnosis that's going on.

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It's really a spiritual battle. You look at the history of the world, Diana West, she's got several

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books on this, but just talking about communism, what's what the real tactic is, is, is to set up,

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you know, all kinds of fear and controls. And that's what's happening on a global scale.

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But what we have is leaders who are either hiding everything or leaders that are exposing everything.

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That's why so many people hated Ronald Reagan. But Ronald Reagan became a Christian. He was in

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Hollywood and he ran for office and in California became the governor. Then he, of course, went on

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to become the president. They hated him. They hated him. They shot him. They tried to get rid of him.

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This is a man who was really doing things that that were against the globalists.

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Did I lose you guys? No, still here. No, you're here. Yeah. But you see the reason they hate Trump,

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you know, love him or hate him. I'd say a lot of Americans right now miss they put up with mean

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tweets to have someone in control rather than, you know, whoever's given Biden ice cream every day,

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supposedly, whoever these people are there. And, you know, we can we can guess. But the reality is

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the Bible says behind all of this, the prince, the power of the air is Satan. And so what's going on

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like Diana West brings out is that when it comes down to it, it's fundamentally spiritual. Everything

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that's going on is spiritual. You know, the Queen in England, she became a Christian because of

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Billy Graham. She was discipled by Stott, John Stott. I know this because I know the guy that

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called Billy Graham, his son and others that Alan Redpath. But you have you have Christian

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leaders in the world today. They're hated. And now you have there's no real Christian leaders at all

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right now. But it comes down to, you know, it's Christianity that has been salt and light,

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exposing the darkness and providing a preservative. That's what Christianity has really been

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throughout history, such as my opinion. I mean, that's that's what's happened. And so you have now

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a lack of people who really believe that and have that that that relationship with God. And so

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what needs to happen is we need to turn back to what where truth comes from. And the question is,

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what is true? Because that's where our fears come from. You know, it's psychological body, soul and

1223
1:30:56 --> 1:31:02
spirit. It's like everything's tied together. But God's come that we you know, he wants to give us

1224
1:31:02 --> 1:31:07
love, perfect love casts out all fear. And so I would say to anyone who's interested in just,

1225
1:31:07 --> 1:31:14
you know, looking at where love really comes from, in the New Testament, the words of God begs a

1226
1:31:14 --> 1:31:19
Greek word, which is a self sacrificing love like a mother toward his child. That's God's love for us.

1227
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And so he's not distance because he doesn't love us. He's distant because of our own sin nature.

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But because of what Christ did on the cross, he paid that he is perfect. And the question,

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you know, I was just talking to Trevor Loudon and Trevor struggles with with, you know,

1230
1:31:37 --> 1:31:42
just believing that Jesus is the son of God. But he believes that Jesus, a great person, love the

1231
1:31:42 --> 1:31:47
church. But I just don't know about this Jesus guy. But that's the fundamental question that

1232
1:31:47 --> 1:31:52
needs to be answered, you know, by each one of us. But the Bible does say it's a name above all

1233
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names. I personally found that's that's where my strength come from my peace, hope, joy. Like I was

1234
1:31:57 --> 1:32:02
in court with a judge and he says, Can't you just stop for a while, you know, and just kind of obey

1235
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the mandates. And I gave him scripture, Hebrews chapter 10, it talks about not forsaking the

1236
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gathering together the saints. And I told him about the fruit of people who were suicidal would have

1237
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been dead. Many people in our church have powerful stories that that they wouldn't be alive if it

1238
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wasn't for the church. And I you know, I also said a third reason is because we have a First

1239
1:32:25 --> 1:32:30
Amendment. And I asked if we still have that. And he said we do. Then I said, then you need to put

1240
1:32:30 --> 1:32:37
this this county and our state and our governor in line. That's your job. You know, can you do that?

1241
1:32:37 --> 1:32:43
And he, of course, wanted me to just just comply for now. And I said, Look, let's just cut to the

1242
1:32:43 --> 1:32:48
chase. You're just going to have to kill me, you know, because, you know, what is there to live for

1243
1:32:48 --> 1:32:53
if you don't have truth? You know, what if we don't have value in life, and we don't know who we are,

1244
1:32:53 --> 1:32:57
we don't know where we came from, we don't know where we're going, then we're just kids on a

1245
1:32:57 --> 1:33:11
playground. We're just exactly Mike. So the truth is our meaning. Oh, well, that's yeah. So I just

1246
1:33:11 --> 1:33:21
want to so there's something here. Please ask, ask Pastor Mike, how long did you shut your church

1247
1:33:21 --> 1:33:29
down for? And what was it that made you decide to open up when no other church did? And when we say

1248
1:33:29 --> 1:33:34
no other church, I think people would find it interesting. Are we talking about your part of

1249
1:33:34 --> 1:33:40
California? If so, how big and what's the population? Or was it the whole of California?

1250
1:33:40 --> 1:33:45
You were the only church open in the whole of California? I don't think that is likely is it?

1251
1:33:46 --> 1:33:55
No, was it? Let's see, 2020. And we had, you know, the whole thing began, I was on a trip to Israel,

1252
1:33:55 --> 1:34:01
came back, I just knew something was wrong. And this little short Italian guy named Fauci said,

1253
1:34:01 --> 1:34:06
I don't know who this guy is, but he doesn't seem like a good doctor to me. My grandfather once told

1254
1:34:06 --> 1:34:11
me, he says, if you ever see them put a doctor in charge of our country, get out because they're

1255
1:34:11 --> 1:34:18
going to kill everybody. Yeah, well, because that's a lousy doctor. But he was a bureaucrat more than

1256
1:34:18 --> 1:34:25
he was a doctor, in my opinion. Yeah, Judy McAvoy is a complete idiot. But he's absolutely. I don't

1257
1:34:25 --> 1:34:33
think I've ever seen anyone on television, never met him, obviously. But he's so unbelievably

1258
1:34:33 --> 1:34:42
self-regarding and egotistical. He's just an idiot. A pathetic idiot, but he's caused a lot of harm.

1259
1:34:43 --> 1:34:49
Yeah, he has. Him and Bill Gates have been in this, I believe, since 2002 and 2003. They've been

1260
1:34:49 --> 1:34:54
planning this for a long time, this whole global thing. But to answer the question about the

1261
1:34:54 --> 1:35:00
churches, there were most of the churches closed because Trump said just closed for two weeks,

1262
1:35:00 --> 1:35:07
which seemed weird to me. Because in America, all of our churches, even Harvard, Yale, and Princeton,

1263
1:35:07 --> 1:35:13
those were Bible teaching seminaries for pastors to go to. That's where they started. 90% of all

1264
1:35:13 --> 1:35:20
of our universities were seminaries. And all of our hospitals, 100%, were started up until recently

1265
1:35:20 --> 1:35:26
in our history by the church. So to have the churches closed, but the hospitals to be open

1266
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just seemed ridiculous for the first time. I just thought, this is not America. I didn't agree with

1267
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it, but we did it for two weeks. We went on Zoom, and then people started coming to church. I didn't

1268
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close the doors. Anyone could come in if they wanted to. And then Pentecost Sunday, which is in

1269
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May of 2020, there were several churches involved with just opening and telling the governor, you

1270
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know what? You work for us. We don't work for you. And we're all accountable to God. So you better do

1271
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what we do. We're going to do this whether you like it or not. We did. There's about 2,000 or 2,500

1272
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churches open. We were one of them in the Bay Area, probably. There's a few other small ones,

1273
1:36:02 --> 1:36:08
but we were targeted mainly because a friend of mine is a pastor. He was a chaplain, if you will,

1274
1:36:08 --> 1:36:13
kind of like a chaplain, I should say, to the county. And he knew everybody. He would just want

1275
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to help the county. And they started turning against him. And he had a lady bring a friend to

1276
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church. She went home and committed suicide. They closed. They wouldn't let her in because they

1277
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closed the doors. And then he just got real belligerent with them and just said, look,

1278
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you're killing people. And they are. They actually stopped answering their hotline number for suicide

1279
1:36:32 --> 1:36:38
in the month of October that year. And there was 14,000 unanswered calls. So in court, I was able

1280
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to point that out. Like, this is about health. This is really about health. You'd be answering

1281
1:36:42 --> 1:36:47
people's calls. This is not about health. This is about control. This is just pure evil. And so we

1282
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opened with taking in other churches as well in May of 2020. And then we ended up with getting

1283
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fined a couple of months later. And then the county said, they just want to take us out and

1284
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burn down the church, take our school and all that. And they've been doing a good job. It's trying.

1285
1:37:05 --> 1:37:12
But we have these large windows in our lobby. And they would come every day. And they'd write us fines.

1286
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And they'd put it up on the window so much so you couldn't even see any light coming through

1287
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anymore. I mean, but, you know, praise God in our country, we have the First Amendment,

1288
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and they have to respect that a mandate just simply could be translated recommendation.

1289
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So it's not the law. So when we did actually go to court, it was violating a restraining order.

1290
1:37:36 --> 1:37:42
So, Mike, did the police go undercover and spy on your churchgoers? And if so,

1291
1:37:43 --> 1:37:46
how egregious do you consider that?

1292
1:37:50 --> 1:37:54
It's really, I mean, there's no respect for the Constitution. Someone had said previously,

1293
1:37:54 --> 1:37:58
one of the council members of the county said that the Constitution doesn't apply here.

1294
1:37:59 --> 1:38:03
You know, so much wealth. I think our budget for the county is like $11 billion a year.

1295
1:38:04 --> 1:38:09
The tech companies, I mean, these people think they're bigger than, you know, anybody else.

1296
1:38:09 --> 1:38:13
They really have, talk about ego. I mean, these guys think that they're going to take over the

1297
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world in a lot of ways. They have, but we've had the police mostly come to the church. The first

1298
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Sunday we had sheriff, they came to go to service. Police officers came to go to service. We had

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some, yes, from the county that would come and fine us. But I never had police come and harass

1300
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us at all. If anything, the police are on our side. In the United States right now, the police are,

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they're only friends left as a church. I'm a chaplain. You know, our military and our police

1302
1:38:40 --> 1:38:44
are firefighters. They're all under attack. They're all forced with these vaccinations.

1303
1:38:45 --> 1:38:49
You know, even five people get sick from a vaccine. You pull it off the shelf. They're still

1304
1:38:49 --> 1:38:56
doing that, the FDA, but the FDA, it's really like the CIA. We now have a deep state that's

1305
1:38:56 --> 1:39:01
working in cahoots, probably with China and Russia to a degree. You see what's going on in

1306
1:39:01 --> 1:39:06
the Ukraine. It's all just a mirage of deeper things, distractions. But yeah, it bothers me.

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They did a search on everyone's phones. So they had a company come and just monitor all of our

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phones. And they say it was just pinging, but they probably had everyone's numbers. I guarantee you,

1309
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they did because they knew who came and had a record of COVID and who didn't. So they're

1310
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monitoring, I'm sure, like this call. I mean, I think Zoom goes through China anyway, but

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to me, you know, greater is he that's in me than he that's in the world. And so yeah, it does

1312
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bother me, but it's like I told them in our several depositions with them, I said, you know,

1313
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I'm going to win this because we have a constitution. If you get rid of the constitution,

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then that's a different story. But you guys are going to lose because you violated so many rights.

1315
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I've had my Fifth Amendment, the Eighth Amendment, which is excessive fines. And of course,

1316
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the First Amendment, they're trying to disregard, but that's what we're up against. And I really do

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believe the only hope for America is a revival. And that is those who know God or claim to know God,

1318
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turn back in repentance to God. In Second Chronicles 7 and 14, it says, If my people who

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are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways, God says,

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then I will hear from heaven and I will heal their land. Now that's through Solomon to,

1321
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of course, to the Jewish people, but it's the same God who has that same promise. And I've seen him

1322
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do that in our country. We've had problems before America really became America. There was a great

1323
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revivalist that went on was actually Jonathan Edwards and others that would go around and

1324
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preach the gospel. And it was a great awakening. And that's when the church was so flooded with

1325
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truth and the Bible was so well taught. That's what really brought America to become America,

1326
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is that we wanted freedom to worship. It's not just taxation, it's not representation.

1327
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There needed to be another revival and that happened just before the Civil War with Lincoln.

1328
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There was a huge people, churches were flooded again. People were turning back to God.

1329
1:41:04 --> 1:41:08
It happened again during the time before Reagan and the Jesus movement. They call it in the late

1330
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sixties and seventies and then it brought in Reagan. And we're seeing it today, you know,

1331
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and it can happen around the world. But, you know, as my grandfather said, he was a doctor.

1332
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He healed a lot of people, but he couldn't heal their soul. And for him, I was going to actually

1333
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go into medicine. He talked me out of it. He says, you know, by the time we're done with medical

1334
1:41:25 --> 1:41:29
school, the state will own you and you're not going to pay down your debt. And that's exactly

1335
1:41:29 --> 1:41:34
what's happened. Jay Barachara, a friend of mine, he's at Stanford, got two degrees. Fauci's tried

1336
1:41:34 --> 1:41:40
to just, you know, get rid of him. Wonderful man of God, loves the Lord and just trying to do,

1337
1:41:40 --> 1:41:45
you know, the right thing. But he is literally in between a rock and a hard place. The medical

1338
1:41:45 --> 1:41:51
doctors have no rights anymore. And it's a shame because they should be in charge. You know,

1339
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they should be the guys, doctors should be in charge of what they do. To let this happen is just

1340
1:41:58 --> 1:42:07
absolutely tyranny. And I think. But Mike, so the doctors should have been taught, as I was taught

1341
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at medical school, that no one gives orders to a doctor when it comes to treating his or her patient.

1342
1:42:18 --> 1:42:24
I agree. I think that's how it should be. And it should let that happen. You know, people have lost

1343
1:42:24 --> 1:42:30
track of how medicine should be practiced, including the regulators. I've been warning about

1344
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this for years. And then along comes this nonsense. I wanted to ask you, so is the answer to that

1345
1:42:36 --> 1:42:44
correct? Then the phones of your churchgoers were spied on by government agency or government

1346
1:42:44 --> 1:42:51
contractors or somebody. Yeah, they put a geofence around our property and then they put another one

1347
1:42:51 --> 1:42:57
around our sanctuary and their monitor. And every single person's phone that walks in, they know who

1348
1:42:57 --> 1:43:03
it is. You know, there's nothing safe. I mean, my background is technology. And so I know

1349
1:43:04 --> 1:43:10
you can hack into anything, anytime. Nothing's protected. Phones, you know, they have the

1350
1:43:10 --> 1:43:15
ability to do that. You know, if you have a real password, you could do anything you want. So

1351
1:43:16 --> 1:43:19
they were doing that. I'm sure they're continuing to do that.

1352
1:43:20 --> 1:43:22
If they could, they would just come throw us all in jail.

1353
1:43:23 --> 1:43:28
When you say they, are you talking about servants of the United States? You know, like

1354
1:43:28 --> 1:43:35
United States representatives, or you're talking about California or the... Who is they?

1355
1:43:37 --> 1:43:45
They would be the county of Santa Clara, our county. So we have a county that kind of regulates

1356
1:43:45 --> 1:43:53
different cities. They oversee about, I don't know, eight, seven, I think, million people that

1357
1:43:53 --> 1:43:59
live in it. So they have a health department. Then the health department's the one who called

1358
1:43:59 --> 1:44:05
for the shutdown. But in our government, you go back, I think it's 1944, when they first enacted

1359
1:44:05 --> 1:44:11
these emergency orders that gave the military power over all medical. So what's going on,

1360
1:44:11 --> 1:44:17
reason there's so much tyranny is because we have been passing laws through, you know, these people

1361
1:44:17 --> 1:44:21
like Bush or Clinton or Obama, and of course, you know, whatever Biden, he probably doesn't know

1362
1:44:21 --> 1:44:27
nobody's signing. But these people have been preparing for this day for a long time. And,

1363
1:44:27 --> 1:44:32
you know, the Rockefellers who are really truly evil people like Bill Gates, they want to get rid

1364
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of, you know, most of the population. So, you know, I didn't really understand all that two years ago,

1365
1:44:38 --> 1:44:45
exactly. I knew that this was happening. But what's behind it, again, is it's really satanic. So

1366
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they being those people working for the devil, those people who want to destroy Christianity,

1367
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and, you know, you look at right now, like I had at our church, our mayor came

1368
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three weeks ago, along with a district attorney. He's the guy that would actually throw me in jail,

1369
1:45:05 --> 1:45:12
and wonderful Jewish man. And, you know, he loves God. And so is our mayor. But, you know,

1370
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they came and supported us in what we're doing. So what's happening in our government is it's

1371
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fighting itself. So you have like the, you know, Department of Defense and CIA and all these others,

1372
1:45:22 --> 1:45:30
you know, three letter acronym, these people are all completely, you know, confused in at war with

1373
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themselves. And so there's a real deep state, the globe, they're controlling a lot of these countries,

1374
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they can control the elections, you know, I have a guy at our church, he worked for the NSA,

1375
1:45:39 --> 1:45:45
what Facebook has done in controlling the world elections, they did that in our last election.

1376
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So you have the Dominion voting machines, all of this is it's been, there's so many different

1377
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areas that have been checked off for them to move forward. And this is, I think, the beginning of

1378
1:45:57 --> 1:46:01
the next thing that's coming, you know, I think they're going to try to collapse our banking system

1379
1:46:01 --> 1:46:08
into, you know, digital currency. But yeah, they they is the county. But the sheriff is not

1380
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supportive of that. So in the way it works is the sheriff is the one who upholds the Constitution,

1381
1:46:15 --> 1:46:19
you have to violate an actual law. So they're trying to pass a lot of these laws, this was an

1382
1:46:19 --> 1:46:26
emergency mandate that went on all over our country, meaning it's not a law, we haven't voted on it,

1383
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you know, but they're doing a lot of executive orders that need to be challenged. And that's

1384
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where we have guys like Brad Dacus and other lawyers that are there to challenge that.

1385
1:46:36 --> 1:46:42
And the law is really on our side, you know, but the question is, you know, how much of our country

1386
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will be left by the time they're done with the next, you know, pandemic they're going to release.

1387
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Mike, do you think there was a plan for, you know, from your point of view, if you were able to say,

1388
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do you think there was a plan to destroy America, destroy countries all over the world?

1389
1:46:59 --> 1:47:05
And so that would be treason, wouldn't it? And so to enable them, the globalists to say, oh,

1390
1:47:05 --> 1:47:11
we can save you, your government's useless, they corrupt, look at the UK government, for example,

1391
1:47:11 --> 1:47:18
absolutely corrupt beyond belief. They can't, they're afraid to listen to Andrew Bridgen,

1392
1:47:18 --> 1:47:27
who's the only honest MP in the United Kingdom out of 650 of them. So he's the only one who's

1393
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speaking the truth, and they all leave the chamber when he speaks and, and it's outrageous.

1394
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So were you afraid of going to jail is one of the questions.

1395
1:47:38 --> 1:47:42
Come on, we have had too many questions there from then writing, we got hands up.

1396
1:47:43 --> 1:47:49
One last, last that last question, Mike, sorry, answer the last question. And then we'll go to

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Glenn. Yeah, I wasn't really afraid. I mean, I thought it was a real possibility. And they did

1398
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my lawyer, Bob Tyler said, yeah, they're gonna, you know, they can arrest you, especially to take

1399
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the witness stand. But I think everyone in the church was afraid. I mean, everyone you ask people

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1:48:06 --> 1:48:09
came to church, they're all told, hey, if you come to church, are you going to get arrested?

1401
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And the county acts like they weren't gonna do that. But they definitely would if they could. But

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yeah, that was a reality. Very good. Thank you. All right, Glenn.

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Great to meet you. You spoke about the prophetic power of the Bible. And I'm sort of curious to

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see, you know, understand some of your, your vision of what may happen here, especially in

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1:48:33 --> 1:48:41
the context of how, how so much of the religious hierarchy has actually been captured, and is

1406
1:48:41 --> 1:48:49
operating from the other side, and specifically on the in the space of the vaccines. It's become

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very clear that they are in fact a poison, and that they're being used to actively poison,

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1:48:54 --> 1:49:01
not only children, but the unborn, you know, the the least secure of God's creatures,

1409
1:49:01 --> 1:49:08
the least secure of God's creations. And how can that be anything but pure sanitism?

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1:49:10 --> 1:49:18
Now, you also mentioned around revivals. And I'm here in New England, where Massachusetts seems to

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be the belly of the beast, both from from the nature of how its its legislature does not support

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the people at all. And that both Moderna and Pfizer are casting their poisons here.

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Do you see any prospect that the power of the Lord can could could push a revival for us here,

1414
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that we could have something like Asbury happen that the rest of the world could

1415
1:49:47 --> 1:49:50
could could be wanting to come to and participate in?

1416
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Yeah, I think God can do a revival when we it's like it says in Hebrews 11 six again,

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there's that diligence and just calling out to God. There's a movie out if you get a chance to

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watch is the Jesus Revolution, which is kind of history of great glory. He's a friend and

1419
1:50:09 --> 1:50:15
I grew up in that. That's when the Jesus movement was happening. But it's a great movie. If you

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you know, the Jesus movement was happening, but it's a great movie if you if you get a

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1:50:18 --> 1:50:24
chance to watch that. Kelsey Grammer, his life's been changed just playing Chuck Smith.

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But I think the word of God is powerful. And it can change lives. It doesn't take a hammer,

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1:50:31 --> 1:50:36
you know, Jeremiah talks about breaks rocks. And we have hard hearts, you know, I have we have

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1:50:36 --> 1:50:40
crooked legislators in our state, too. I've had they've threatened us. I mean, there's a church.

1425
1:50:41 --> 1:50:46
But, you know, these people, I'm in a room with them. And individually, they're desperate,

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they're afraid they're going to die. They don't want to go to hell. They're thinking about their

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1:50:48 --> 1:50:53
life. And when no one's listening, they're they're interested. They really are. You know, Billy Graham

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1:50:53 --> 1:50:56
used to speak to all kinds of leaders around the world. And the number one thing they'd ask is what

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1:50:56 --> 1:51:00
does the Bible say about end times? And how can I be sure I don't go to hell? You know, these kinds

1430
1:51:00 --> 1:51:05
of questions are good. And everyone asks those things. And the Bible answers all those questions.

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1:51:05 --> 1:51:10
And I think that yeah, New England can have a revival. I think it's a shame the church again,

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1:51:10 --> 1:51:18
today, you know, is corrupt very much. And you have that that Jesus gave us the parable of

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of the mustard seed, you know, that became this huge tree. Of course, it doesn't the parable.

1434
1:51:23 --> 1:51:28
It's a spiritual analogy. But he says in the bird's lodge and the birds are from his first

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1:51:28 --> 1:51:34
parable is a picture of really Satan. And so in the church, that's what the idea is this this

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1:51:34 --> 1:51:39
mustard seed grows and has these branches and in the bird's lodge. And that's what's going on. So

1437
1:51:39 --> 1:51:45
there's people coming and you know, pretending to be believers in Christ. And they're selling you,

1438
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you know, a vaccine, they're getting probably paid, you know, a lot of them are probably getting

1439
1:51:49 --> 1:51:54
paid, honestly. And, you know, it's causing people not to have kids. Bill Gates did this. I mean,

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1:51:54 --> 1:52:00
this thing's been planned for so long. I was in Kenya, we have a ministry outreach in Uganda. And

1441
1:52:01 --> 1:52:06
they you know, Bill Gates himself went to Kenya and personally gave people vaccines for all kinds

1442
1:52:06 --> 1:52:11
of stuff, not just Ebola, but all these other things. And, you know, the 10s of thousands of

1443
1:52:11 --> 1:52:17
people are not able to have kids, you know, so that that what he gave them is is exactly I think

1444
1:52:17 --> 1:52:22
what they did in this last one, you know, goes to the ovaries. It's, you know, every study I've seen,

1445
1:52:23 --> 1:52:28
it's damaging and and seems to be irreparable. But I know Shasta and others I've talked to that

1446
1:52:28 --> 1:52:33
say there's hope and there's there's other things that I think are, you know, I'm praying will come

1447
1:52:33 --> 1:52:38
out. But it's a tension getter. Why did this happen in Nazi Germany? Why wasn't, you know,

1448
1:52:38 --> 1:52:43
Hitler able to get away with it? You know, why why do these tyrants, are they able to kill and do so

1449
1:52:43 --> 1:52:50
much damage? And the answer is just because this is this is not our home, you know, and God,

1450
1:52:50 --> 1:52:55
because of sin has allowed it for Satan to do what he does. He's the prince of the power of the

1451
1:52:55 --> 1:53:01
earth. If you recall, in the Gospels, Satan takes Jesus to to see all the kingdoms, the world said,

1452
1:53:01 --> 1:53:04
God, I worship you, I'll give them to you because they were his you didn't argue with him, you can't

1453
1:53:04 --> 1:53:11
do that. There's no, we've given them all of the world, if you will, over to his control. And so

1454
1:53:11 --> 1:53:16
we're under the power, the swayed of a wicked one, the Bible says, but, but I do believe when we call

1455
1:53:16 --> 1:53:21
out to God, just like in the book of Judges, God can bring back a revival, you know, we call out to

1456
1:53:21 --> 1:53:26
him, if my people call by my name, I'll call themselves, we turn to him. And I do believe,

1457
1:53:26 --> 1:53:29
I mean, the real fundamental issue, it's a spiritual issue. That's what's going on.

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And if we pray, God, God will work. And we just can't stop praying, it's got to be something we

1459
1:53:37 --> 1:53:44
continue to do. And I attribute that to not just the work I've done in my life, but our whole church,

1460
1:53:44 --> 1:53:49
you know, we've had so many people come to Christ, we've had 1000 people baptized,

1461
1:53:50 --> 1:53:55
and their lives have changed, you know, you each one has a story of testimony, a life like, you know,

1462
1:53:55 --> 1:53:59
like many of you like, hey, where am I kind of believe in God, I'm not really sure the crisis

1463
1:53:59 --> 1:54:04
happens. And then they're just looking for truth. And they before they can come into the church,

1464
1:54:04 --> 1:54:10
they're weeping. And many, it's like they, they just knew this was true, this is what I've been

1465
1:54:10 --> 1:54:15
looking for. And so you get the darkness that's really coming over the land, but that that's where

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the light shines brighter. And that's kind of what I think our church has been. And why we're kind of,

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1:54:20 --> 1:54:26
you know, a hot topic for the county, because they really don't want I mean, again, this is

1468
1:54:26 --> 1:54:31
spiritual, our county is really evil, they're promoted, everything is possibly evil. They're

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1:54:31 --> 1:54:36
doing it. I mean, everything that you can do. And the only thing that's not allowed is Christianity.

1470
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So but I've got two lawyers to quit so far. And, you know, even the ones that are liars, I tell

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them they're liars, but hey, God loves them anyway. And, you know, the way you get rid of your enemies

1472
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is just making your friends and gospel has the power of doing that. And I've seen it over and

1473
1:54:52 --> 1:55:00
over again. There's a Calgary Chapel Church here in Chelmsford, Massachusetts. It's led by Pastor

1474
1:55:00 --> 1:55:08
Ed Conway. Have you ever had contact with him? You know, I might have there's about 2000 calories now,

1475
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so I don't know all of them. Okay. Thank you very much. Well done. Thank you, Glenn. Thank you,

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1:55:17 --> 1:55:22
Albert. Albert Benavides. He's a data man, Mike. So be careful what you say,

1477
1:55:22 --> 1:55:24
you'll remember the data and then you know,

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Pastor Mike, it's good to see you again. For those of you guys who don't know,

1479
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Pastor Mike is my pastor. You know, just a quick a quick story is that I used to go to Calgary back

1480
1:55:42 --> 1:55:52
in the early 80s under when it was Pastor Wayne Fry, Pastor Fry. But then, you know,

1481
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and my claw marks are out there on the sidewalk somewhere, because I was, you know, I was a young

1482
1:55:58 --> 1:56:06
kid, so my mom would drag me in there. But I did see Mario Marillo there in a revival. He had a big

1483
1:56:06 --> 1:56:15
revival there that lasted a long time. Saw Kim Clement at Cathedral of Faith in the 90s.

1484
1:56:16 --> 1:56:22
But anyways, you know, when when all the churches were closed down, I was going to Cathedral of

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Faith. And then I remember it was by Holy Week of 2020, that I knew that this, this was all a scam or

1486
1:56:32 --> 1:56:42
a plandemic or something. And I went to the parking lot every Sunday across the street from

1487
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Cathedral. It's like a it's like a metro parking lot for the subway thing that we got here.

1488
1:56:48 --> 1:56:57
And I would be in my car with my like, like, what do you call that? Like, well, I brought my TV and

1489
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I brought breakfast and I invited people through Facebook like, hey, I'm going to be there. Anybody

1490
1:57:02 --> 1:57:09
else in my church who wants to be there and hold service and listen to Pastor Kenny Foreman, you

1491
1:57:09 --> 1:57:17
know, on the TV here like tailgating, let's do it. And nobody showed up three times three weekends

1492
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in a row until finally the last weekend, which was May 28. And I remember it, particularly because

1493
1:57:24 --> 1:57:30
that that black guy had just gotten like murdered, sacrificed by that cop who put his knee on his

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neck. I forget that guy's name. But that was the last weekend that I that I did that. And I was

1495
1:57:38 --> 1:57:46
there by myself, except that was finally two guys from my from my old church cry out Christian

1496
1:57:46 --> 1:57:53
fellowship showed up. But then I heard about this. I heard about my old church Calvary was the doors

1497
1:57:53 --> 1:57:58
were open. So I didn't I didn't know you at the time. I'm just like, oh, my God, they're open.

1498
1:57:59 --> 1:58:04
Hey, that's just coincidental. That was my old church. I'm going back there. And I've been going

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in a part of the congregation ever since. And and so anyways, Pastor Mike, I've been here. This is

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one of my hangouts every Tuesday and Sunday. And in this kind of parallel universe, I'm the I'm the

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number one bear's guy in the world. So, you know, I've gravitated to that. And I think that that

1502
1:58:27 --> 1:58:37
Jesus brings his angels ahead of time. You know, and I and I like to think that I'm one of those

1503
1:58:37 --> 1:58:43
angels that he brought. He prepared me, you know, 25 years of medical billing experience has equipped

1504
1:58:43 --> 1:58:51
me well to follow the bears data and to expose, basically expose the fraud that's going on. You

1505
1:58:51 --> 1:58:56
know, they're they're throttling reports are not publishing everything there. They're holding on

1506
1:58:56 --> 1:59:02
to reports for more than a year, sometimes two years, and then publishing and telling us about

1507
1:59:02 --> 1:59:10
the death. So anyways, that's just my little battle station. And I'm so I'm so honored. I'm so glad

1508
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that you're here talking to my to my new brothers and sisters here here in this in this zoom. And

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1:59:17 --> 1:59:24
this particular zoom meeting is like is like is one of the best in the whole world. You'll you'll

1510
1:59:24 --> 1:59:31
see like Dr. Daria and Dr. Thor pitch jazz. I mean, there's like some some players in here. There's

1511
1:59:31 --> 1:59:37
some some strong people in here, some freedom fighters. And just thank you for being here. God

1512
1:59:37 --> 1:59:44
bless you. Pastor Mike. Hey, God bless you for all that you do. I see you pop up on videos

1513
1:59:44 --> 1:59:50
for the bears study questions. And so keep it up. That's great. Yeah, they're doing the same thing

1514
1:59:50 --> 1:59:54
to you that they're doing to all of us and trying to keep anyone who knows anything. They don't want

1515
1:59:54 --> 1:59:59
martyrs. They want everyone to be strung along as long as possible so they can accomplish our next

1516
1:59:59 --> 2:00:07
thing. Yeah. So so everybody note how clever Mike was to listen. Listen very silently to Albert

1517
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singing Mike's praises. So that's what you got to do. Someone singing your praises never interrupt them.

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Well done. Well done, Albert. Okay, we've got four to go. And we're finishing in 20 minutes,

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Mike. You okay for the next 20 minutes? We're finished at the half hour mark.

1520
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No, I'm good. My power went out. So. Well commiserate. Good for us. All right. Thank you, Albert Daria.

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Hi there, pastor. I really appreciate you coming on. This is wonderful. I really am so grateful. I

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was listening in my car yesterday to a lecture by Father Chad Ripper. He's a premier exorcist here

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in the USA. And something you brought up resonated with what I heard yesterday was very powerful.

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And it had to do with turning away from the created good. Okay. And he was talking about

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the willingness to sacrifice that created good. And this was really fascinating. So I want to

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know your thoughts if this resonates with you as well. So he was doing an exorcism,

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and he was about to have, he was getting more and more control over this demon. And it turns out

1528
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this particular demon was Satan, the actual Satan, Satan. And the demon was instructed

1529
2:01:38 --> 2:01:45
after 45 minutes of being told to stay silent to reveal what God had commanded the demon to

1530
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say. And so the demon said that he was told by God that he had to reveal his nature to Father Chad.

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And this is what he said. Satan supposedly tells Father Chad through the possessed victim

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that his nature is that he convinces people that they cannot be separated from the particular good.

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And as such, let me see if I can get it back. I just lost my, oh wait, I got it. Hold on. Sorry.

1534
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Let me go a little further. I actually saved this so that I wouldn't lose it. So that what he does

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is it's how he subverts sacrifice. And he said to Father Chad, that's how I took Adam and Eve,

1536
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and it's how I took your government. And that's how I'm taking the church. And that's how I

1537
2:02:40 --> 2:02:47
have taken every single human being out. And what Father Chad then said was that this was very

1538
2:02:47 --> 2:02:54
fascinating thing and a fascinating revelation to hear from the devil about his true nature.

1539
2:02:54 --> 2:03:04
And he said that St. Thomas says that the one thing that is true here is that God wants from

1540
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every created creature the sacrifice of his will to him. And that means that we have to be willing

1541
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to turn away from the created good. And when you were talking about how people

1542
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were willing to compromise their own health to get to a football game or to stay in school,

1543
2:03:25 --> 2:03:32
that's the created good that they were unwilling to sacrifice and didn't contemplate

1544
2:03:32 --> 2:03:39
the gravity of the damage that was going to be caused. And in this particular case,

1545
2:03:40 --> 2:03:45
the vast majority suffered on some level, like Stephen said, at the bare minimum,

1546
2:03:45 --> 2:03:51
the psychological torment, and furthermore, everything up to death, but the suicides,

1547
2:03:51 --> 2:03:57
everything that's gone on with this whole process. But it was because of people clinging to the

1548
2:03:57 --> 2:04:03
created good. And like I said, this hit me like a ton of bricks. I literally had to slow down my car

1549
2:04:03 --> 2:04:08
pull over so I could back up my video and hear it a second time. That's why it's so timely that

1550
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you're here today. But how do you feel about that? Does this resonate with you as well?

1551
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This observation that was made during an exorcism?

1552
2:04:20 --> 2:04:25
Well, I mean, you look at Romans chapter one, it talks about worshiping the creator more than,

1553
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or the creation more than the creator and trusting in man. The center verse in the

1554
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Bibles from Psalm 118 at center verse says, it's better to put your trust in God than in princes.

1555
2:04:36 --> 2:04:43
If you trust in man, you're going to fail. And so what the vaccine is, is supposedly,

1556
2:04:44 --> 2:04:51
you listen to Malone and those people that came up with the Genesis, the messenger RNA.

1557
2:04:51 --> 2:04:56
I mean, it's really putting your faith in man. And they're even behind, you know, we're always

1558
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behind. When my grandfather, as I mentioned, early became a Christian, he started recognizing the

1559
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spiritual realm. And he was born again. It changed his whole life. It changed everything about, you

1560
2:05:06 --> 2:05:13
know, his view of medicine, he started to see what's really going on in the medical institutions he

1561
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taught in. And, and he knew that this was their plan from years ago. So Satan, he hasn't changed,

1562
2:05:20 --> 2:05:25
he's not going to change his plan is to steal, kill and destroy. And I mean, his nature and who

1563
2:05:25 --> 2:05:31
he is, is revealed, he wants to be like God. And so the lie in the garden to Eve and to Adam was

1564
2:05:31 --> 2:05:35
the same thing as, hey, you did this tree, you're going to be like God, you know, the question God's

1565
2:05:35 --> 2:05:41
word number one, did God really say is what he did. And then he challenged them to, hey, if you eat

1566
2:05:41 --> 2:05:45
this, you're going to be wise, you're going to be like God. And so that's what we're looking at is

1567
2:05:45 --> 2:05:50
trying to make ourself God, like I mentioned, you know, in our valley, Silicon Valley, people wanting

1568
2:05:50 --> 2:05:55
to, you know, put their brains basically into a machine, become cyborgs and all this so they can

1569
2:05:55 --> 2:06:00
live forever. If you're going to have, you know, faith and aliens and all these other things, why

1570
2:06:00 --> 2:06:07
don't you just trust God and try to disprove it? There's so many like CS Lewis, people who have

1571
2:06:07 --> 2:06:14
become believers because they try to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I mean, just before,

1572
2:06:14 --> 2:06:19
you really can say anything on a topic, you got to do some research. And, you know, that's what I

1573
2:06:19 --> 2:06:24
found with a lot of these apologists, they call them now people who are defending the faith,

1574
2:06:24 --> 2:06:32
were once the most harshest critics. And kind of like, you know, Paul, himself, the apostle Paul,

1575
2:06:32 --> 2:06:38
the road to the baskets, but demons, you know, I don't think I get my theology from them, but

1576
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definitely believe what they say. But you know, there's a sense of that what sounds like,

1577
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is what I see to be true. And that's something I think, devil is going to keep doing what he's

1578
2:06:50 --> 2:06:55
doing. Because the Bible said it to be, this is what's going to happen. And it's as if he doesn't

1579
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care, you know, he's going to keep continued on that path. All right. Thank you, Daria. We're

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going to keep moving. We've got three more brilliant question. Jim, Jim, you I hope you know,

1581
2:07:05 --> 2:07:11
Mike, who Jim Thorpe is, he's doing great work to protect pregnant mothers. And Jim, I love your

1582
2:07:11 --> 2:07:16
thing. The shots are killing my patients. Stop the shots over to you, Jim.

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Hey, well, thank you very much, Charles. And thank you, everybody for being here.

1584
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Shasta and Albert, my dear friends, and I want to just say congratulations, Pastor Mike, I'm really,

1585
2:07:32 --> 2:07:36
really, you don't know me, but I know you very well, because I'm very close with

1586
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my church, especially Calvary Chapel all over the country. But unfortunately, a really harsh

1587
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thing happened is that I've lost almost all of my pastor friends, they won't associate with me or

1588
2:07:52 --> 2:08:02
return my calls anymore, especially my local Calvary Chapel folks. But what I wanted to ask

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you specifically, and we published on this extensively in the past, two years ago this month,

1590
2:08:12 --> 2:08:18
these rollout of this poison shot in pregnancy, the most vulnerable population, as you know,

1591
2:08:18 --> 2:08:24
of God's creation, it was a fata complete to push this in pregnancy. And I have proof of that for a

1592
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timeline. But what I find really reprehensible is that two years ago now, the our tax dollars

1593
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paid off basically through the Department of Health and Human Services created a new

1594
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agency called CCC, COVID-19 Coalition Corps, and CCC was given $13 billion of our taxpayers

1595
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to essentially buy off not only all the churches or the vast majority of the churches, but

1596
2:08:59 --> 2:09:05
every other 270 other sectors of our society, including all the medical boards. So I wanted

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to ask, and I've gone on, this is a matter of public record, Calvary Chapel was one of the

1598
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big takers of this, as were the vast majority of other churches. And it's just totally given this

1599
2:09:20 --> 2:09:26
horrible pushing, you know, the people that I trusted most in my life. And first of all,

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the people I trusted the least in the life before this pandemic was attorneys. Now I'm married to

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one, I love my beautiful bride, but I always looked up to pastors and I always looked up to

1602
2:09:37 --> 2:09:44
physicians. Now the least respected physicians professions, in my opinion, right now, the least

1603
2:09:44 --> 2:09:50
respected are physicians and pastors. So the question I have for you is, do you see that

1604
2:09:51 --> 2:09:58
as being part of the equation why so many of the churches in the country now are duped because of

1605
2:09:58 --> 2:10:05
that $13 billion in the contract, the bribe, if you will, the forgivable loan that the churches

1606
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took? What's your views? You're talking about the PPP loan to pay people? No, the COVID

1607
2:10:14 --> 2:10:21
19 coalition core, $13 billion was handed out, a massive amount to the churches.

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2:10:22 --> 2:10:29
Yeah, okay. I haven't heard too much about that. I mean, they, you know, I can speak for at least

1609
2:10:29 --> 2:10:34
most of the Calvary Chapels I know would agree with me, but there are Calvaries, they're all

1610
2:10:34 --> 2:10:39
individuals, not a denomination. So every church is pretty much their own entity. But

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for the most part, Calvary Chapels, no, they knew. And the guys I do know that took the vaccine was

1612
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to go to Israel. My brother was harmed by it because he had to go over there for work and had

1613
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to take it. And, you know, I just see a lot of pastors folding because they did take money.

1614
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I absolutely know that. A church in our town closed for the entire, you know, time and only

1615
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opened when the vaccine came out and he announces to his congregation that they're paying me for

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everyone that gets the church gets money for every one of you that gets vaccinated. So please get

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vaccinated. And here's all the companies are going to give us money and puts it on the screen. So,

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you know, I think it's sad state again, like you look at the church and everyone's accountable

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for their actions, you know, every idle word, Matthew 13, Jesus says, is going to be brought

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into judgment. And it's either going to be what justifies us or what condemns us. And there's

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going to be books that are open and, you know, Revelation 20. And so I think all these things

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are happening. They're going to be accounted for. And as a church, there's people who are hirelings

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that are, they don't know Christ, you know, and they could be in pulpit, they could be in Calvary's

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as well. But at the end, it's really, is this what the Bible says? And so I just urge everybody,

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say, you know, there has to be a final authority. The reason America has been so blessed is 20

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7 of these signers of the Declaration of Independence, most of them went on to the

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Constitution, you know, put that together. These men were pastors first, that's what they did.

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And so they valued God's word above everyone else's. And that's why we have a country that's

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I think so been so blessed for so long, because it was so founded on these principles. And now you

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see the church going away. Sure, because a compromise money being taken. And I see it too,

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with these people who are lured to take a shot. Some some did it because they thought they were

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doing the right thing. We had nurses in our church that took it. And they were harmed a lot of people.

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I mean, it's shocking to think they're continuing to use this. But it's not shocking. I mean, if you

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see they want to kill people, I mean, that's what they want to do. If not, they want to make sure

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you don't have kids, you know, and it's, it's really satanic, the whole thing. Tragic.

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Excellent question, Jim, all of us plenty in the plenty in the chat asking that question.

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I was, you know, same in Australia, the church has sold out. So relevant and important and

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reinforces Mike, the courage that you have shown. Shasta, thank you for organizing Mike for us. So

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over to you. Okay. I just want to say that I'm going to pastor Mike,

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Pastor Mike and his church saved, saved my life in the sense of my hope and my,

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my thinking that there, there was another way because things were so locked down my business,

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it was like a ghost town here. You could only be outside if you were exercising.

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And as a small business who I work with my hands, there was no way I was going to survive.

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But when I found Pastor Mike, I found him because the other church I went to close down three hours

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before the Christmas Eve party, because the county told them to, there were a mega church.

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And so I decided to be brave and go to pastor Mike, Pastor Mike's church, even though I was

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really afraid because I figured they might be tracking us. And I didn't want the county to

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think I was making someone sick in my office. I mean, it was really, really strange here.

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And, and when I went there, they were having a hot, hot chocolate and chocolate chip cookies.

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And everybody was saying hi and smiling. It was a big Christmas tree. And it was like the only place

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in all of Northern California that I knew of where people were congregating and smiling and singing

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and staying out of fear. And so my friends and I just started going there because we're like,

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this is the only place we can hang out and they have a cafeteria. It's huge, great food.

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And it was just, it was like, for me, having not been a Christian and having been kind of turned

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against Christianity from my parents, I, I came to see Pastor Mike as someone who was who was

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coming from conviction and something inside that nobody else was doing. And whatever that was,

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I wanted more of that. So I actually got baptized and, and I feel that my spirit has changed

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genuinely. I'm brave enough to, to help with being a part of the solution here and to stay open,

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help people who are infertile. And I'm seeing a lot of hope with that and people in pain

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just to keep, keep being of service the very next day. What can I do to be of service and just know

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that if I can pray with others, that that power is bigger than me because a lot of businesses went

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out of business, especially in Silicon Valley. So Pastor Mike has been feeding the homeless,

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he's been working with prisoners. And when we had the attorney general and the mayor up there and,

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and, and he asked them, what do you want us all to pray for you? And it was about the homeless

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and the prisoners. I mean, that was a story of a complete miracle that such a persecuted church

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and people would be praying for the government that had done it to them. And that is what the

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power of faith and prayer and Christ, that is the power. So I, I'm a testament to, to his,

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to his, to those teachings. And I feel very grateful that we had him on because I think we

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need more faith based community to deal with this whole problem. And that's why I wanted Pastor Mike

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to be on. Well said Shasta. Mike, there you are. Another set of, you know. Charles, can I just say,

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and now Shasta, you've learned how to speak in public. You spoke very eloquently then. I took

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notes. I took notes. Thank you, Stephen. I, yeah. Very good. Not my favorite thing to do. Thank you.

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Thank you, Shasta. And I want to say one more, I want to say one more thing. The church I was going

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to was telling everyone to go get the vaccine because then he could come out and give us hugs.

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And then he had all of these corporations like Apple and all these other corporations. And he

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said that every month they were donating to the church. And that let me know that that's why I

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think a lot of those churches stayed closed. When Mike McClure stayed open and he accrued a fine,

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those people were taking money from the cabal. So we have a lot to learn from Pastor Mike.

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Well said, Shasta. Thank you. Okay. Last question and then we're finishing. It's 27 past. Thank you,

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Shasta. Janet. Yeah. Thank you for that. In terms of your personal position, I'm just wondering,

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who imposed the fines on you? Are you facing personal bankruptcy and how are you fighting

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the imposition of the fines personally? The county is the one imposing the fines,

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the health department specifically. And they brought us to court. We were fined then by the

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court for violating a restraining order. I personally had like $120,000 with the fines.

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But after three days of being in court, I think the judge ended up siding with us

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and threw out at least the fines. And then we appealed any decision that had been made,

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I think in that court, to the sixth court of appeals, which is a state appeals court.

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And they overturned unanimously everything that he or that court had decided and threw out,

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of course, all the fines. But the separate issue that has not been dealt with is the county's,

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you know, excessive fines over the period of, you know, months and months and months,

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which accumulated up to over $4 million. They would give fines for people, you know,

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if you hugged, if you didn't have a mask on, if you were singing in church, I mean,

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how ridiculous is it you can't sing? But, you know, it was just a joke, a whole thing.

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And I think it still is. It's just an embarrassment to humanity. But anyway,

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we're still in court. We've been in federal court. Everyone's afraid to touch it because in,

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you know, the United States, no one's had a case against the church before like this.

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And it's shocking because the First Amendment is so clear. So as Brad Dacus, he and Bob Tyler,

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I think, helped write the amicus brief that went to the Supreme Court and they ruled in our favor

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that they can't restrict us from worshiping. And so we have a crazy Governor Newsom that we had to

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sue and we sued him. Of course, he never shows up to anything because he doesn't have to. He's a

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governor. But anyway, we're still in process and I couldn't even tell you how it's going to go.

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It's been two, over two years and it's probably going to be another two years. But a lot of these

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judges lack courage, you know, like the doctors and pastors alike. People will take bribes. People

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are doing it for their own gain, you know. But Jesus said, if you lose your life, for my sake

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and the gospel's, you're going to find it. And I just like, you know, she asked for such a blessing.

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You can just see just the love that she has for people and for the Lord. And I think that's what

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drives me and drives, I'm sure most of you is looking for truth and looking for, you know,

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what is lasting. And that's kind of what I believe God's allowing in the world today

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to get everyone's attention. Because what he really wants to do is to save our souls. And I

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don't care, you know, money, who cares? The way it's going in the United States, I mean,

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they're about ready to fund, I think, $19 trillion. They're going to send us,

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if they do this, they're going to send us into a depression. And then it's going to make people

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in the United States want to move to Canada. That's how bad it's going to be. Or Australia,

1714
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you know, it's going to get so bad. But I think that's all purposeful. You know, if you listen to

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the World Economic Forum, a lot of their checks are happening, you know, to keep people fine,

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busy, you know, distract while they, you know, take America down. And I think that's, that's

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their goal. And that may happen, it very well may happen. It looks like that's where we're going.

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But in the end, you know, as I mentioned earlier, with the prophecy, it's not the end, you know,

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God is on the throne. And we're seeing the whole world's turning against Israel. And that's what

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the Bible says is going to happen. And we're going to see a global government that's going to begin

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to take place and all the players are starting to surface. And, and we really are at war, but the

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war is against, you know, all individual freedoms and rights, so that we through fear, surrender

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those things. But that was a long answer to a short question. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Jenna.

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Thank you, Mike. Now, before we go to Stephen for a couple of last questions, we're right on time.

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Jeremy Forbes, are you going to play a song for us? You know, while Mike's here? He's got his guitar

1726
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ready, Mike, you know, come on, Jeremy, don't show us the guitar and not sing or strum.

1727
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Just getting a little practice Charles, you don't want to hear it, I don't think.

1728
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All right, well, we'll keep keep practicing and we'll hear it in due course.

1729
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All right, Mike, thank you very much, Stephen. Last couple of questions, then we're gonna go.

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So the lawyer who was on, Mike, you maybe heard him say, so Brad Dakers, he said that,

1731
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I don't know whether it was the Supreme Court of the United States, I thought that initially,

1732
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but maybe it was the Supreme Court of California. Sorry, can't see you. Oh, sorry. Yeah.

1733
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Just two seconds. Yeah. So, right. Can you see me now? Yes. Yep. So he said, so Brad Dakers said

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that someone, I think it was the Supreme Court of the United States, or maybe that's me wanting it,

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the that high court, very high court to say this, he said, open those churches now.

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When was that? I didn't get a chance to ask him, but do you know, Mike,

1737
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and why didn't that apply to your church? Or did it? Yeah, Brad was involved. If it was said,

1738
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open those churches now, why were all the fines which you've accrued not forgiven?

1739
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Because we have a county who doesn't respect, you know, the separation of cert, the state's rights.

1740
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You know, you have a real division in our country, of course, and you have a governor,

1741
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like in California, who, you know, hates God, he hates the church. And so that was a real slap

1742
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in the face to him from the Supreme Court. But there, you know, there's many things that are

1743
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going on, and they're slow. And so the separation of powers, which is both good and bad at times,

1744
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but ultimately, it's for situations just like this that the founding fathers foresaw. And so

1745
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they separated powers. And they knew that the church had the time to preach the gospel, that

1746
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people would come to know Christ. And it's not the state's job to do those things. But the state is,

1747
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you know, of course, taking over every aspect of our culture, our banking, our education, our medical.

1748
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And so it's a real fight. But when they said open up churches now, Trump said that,

1749
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and people still didn't do it because, you know, they have their freedom to do,

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you don't have to listen to the president either, I guess. So it's kind of a convoluted question.

1751
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Or even, you know, I'm not a lawyer. But I would say, at the end, people do things out of fear still.

1752
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And I was thankful for, you know, our Supreme Court, because that's the one thing holding

1753
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the country together right now, is some godly people on the Supreme Court.

1754
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So, Mike, I don't understand how Newsom can think that he can override the Constitution,

1755
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especially when the Supreme Court of the United States is so outraged that six to three, they say,

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open those churches now. Because in the British mindset, you know, you just do what's right.

1757
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You know, you're thankful for the Queen. You're thankful for God. And there's this mindset where

1758
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you take care of one another, you know, kind of goes back to Wilberforce in, you know, taking

1759
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an abolishing the slave trade in your country and also bringing manners and this understanding of

1760
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gentlemen and ladies and the gospel. So Wilberforce really, you know, transformed a lot of England at

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that time that's still around today. In America, there's just not that kind of respect and unity.

1762
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And, you know, our founding fathers said, you know, we have a republic if we can keep it.

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And George Washington, at the end of his farewell address, he says, it's really sitting on two

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pillars. It's morality and religion or Christianity, specifically. Without these two, you know,

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our republic won't stand. The democracy that we have, the country we have, the Constitution we have

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was designed only for a moral people that had virtue. But now you see the godlessness in our

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country and it's our demise because people were to be ruled and governed by virtue, self-governed.

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And now that they're told they came from apes and it doesn't matter, there's no consequences and hate

1769
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America like all of these Ivy League schools do. It's really Satanism that's come into communism.

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It's come into all of our Ivy League schools for a long, long time. It's a rot in our country.

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And then also now in all the seminaries, you know, seminaries, they're all turning away from

1772
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believing that the Bible is an inspired word of God. So you have that going on

1773
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in this division all over the place because we should have a governor who at least fears and

1774
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respects the Supreme Court, but we don't. We have a man who's just completely out of control,

1775
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out of his mind and probably on medication, you know, kind of like our president right now.

1776
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And we have election, it's got tons of issues. You know, I personally think that

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Governor Newsom probably did not win the election because the Dominion voting machines,

1778
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a lot of these other ballots, I got seven ballots in my name to my house. So no question in my mind

1779
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that we have serious election issues and that elections have results and stolen elections,

1780
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I think, is what we've actually had have severe results. So these are not the will of the people.

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The majority of America does not want what's going on right now. And same thing, I think,

1782
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in Great Britain, majority people there do not like or want what Charles is doing. You know,

1783
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I was there in October. He walked, Prince Charles waved at me in his car and I did not wave back.

1784
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I said, you know, the Lord convicted me. I've been praying for him since then, but

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I don't know if you noticed when there was a ceremony when Charles was kind of installed as,

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I don't know the exact wording, but there was some kind of ceremony where all the British

1787
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prime ministers who were still alive were present and all the other members of the British

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establishment. And he had to sign twice. He had to sign, put his signatures on a book, you know,

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or whatever it was, and a document. And there were a load of pens there. And in Charles's view,

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there should only have been one pen. So he kind of very, in a very irritable manner,

1791
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maybe he had a hard day, I don't know, but he was being filmed live and it was being sent all over

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the world, you know, and he said to his servant, he didn't say anything. Well, I think he did

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actually say, I can't remember what he said, but he was very irritated and was flicking his fingers

1794
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like this, get these pens out of the way to his servant. The servant did what he, outrageous.

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And, you know, he clearly- Anyway, come on, we're way over time.

1796
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He couldn't see himself. So I wanted to ask you, you mentioned Robert Kennedy, you met him,

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you said, he's running for president, I've heard, is that right? And if he is,

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how do you think he will be as the United States president?

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Well, if his dad or uncle were running today, they'd be more conservative than Trump in some

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ways. So I mean, I like Robert Kennedy Jr. You know, I think he would be a good president.

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Would I vote for him? I don't know. I mean, I don't know where he is, but the Democratic

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Party in our country has really gone so far away from whatever was. They've become really evil.

1803
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I mean, everything you stand for is just anti-Christianity, it's anti-America. So

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yeah, he would be a good just to run, if anything else, just to show how the compromises and

1805
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elections have gone. But I doubt he'll make it. I doubt with the way the deep state is nowadays,

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I don't think we're going to ever have a conservative or someone. And I would actually

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say Robert Kennedy Jr. is conservative, even though his family runs a Democratic Party.

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But he told me that, you know, he doesn't, I don't think he agrees with all the things

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at all today. But I, it's a good question. But with the history of that family,

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Steven, we're stopping. Mike, can you please say a prayer for those here? But also remember that a

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lot of people will watch this recording. So you're covering those of us who are here and those who

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are watching the recording. So you want me to close in prayer? Is that what you said?

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Yes, please. Oh, I'd love to. I'd love to. Lord, I just thank you for all those that are listening,

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Lord, those that you love. Lord, you love each and every one. Lord, you know, as you say in your word,

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how many hairs are on our head. You know, when we sit down, when we rise up, like David wrote in

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Psalm 139, you know, our thoughts are far off. Lord, you love us and you're not willing that any

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should perish. And I just pray, Lord, for those listening that do not know you to be who you are,

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Lord, Lord and Savior that you want to save, that they would open up their hearts to you.

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Just like that thief on the cross that said, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Lord,

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thank you for your forgiveness because of what you did on the cross for your blood that was

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shed for us. Thank you, Lord, for the authority and the power, Lord, that fear of death that you

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came to remove. And I pray that you would touch each and every heart that's listening,

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that you would show yourself strong in their lives individually. Lord, thank you for just who you are.

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You're so gracious and loving, Lord, as you show us in your word that you're humble and that you're

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longing for us, Lord, just to turn to you and to have that relationship that brings salvation,

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to be born again of your spirit. So I pray, Lord, that you would just raise up not just the

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more freedom fighters, but Lord, those that would stand for you in these last days that would

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present truth in the way that you have given it to us in your word, that you tell us that you're the

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way truth in life. And I thank you, Lord, for all these that are doing their work, lawyers and doctors

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and just servants that want to expose what's wicked and awful in this world. And I pray,

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God, that you'd be glorified and that you would do that work, Lord, in each one of our hearts

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and that you would show yourself strong on our behalf. And I do pray that you'd continue to

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expose the works of darkness and that, Lord, you'd push back all these things, Lord, these

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vaccines that we know are just not helping anybody, but actually causing all kinds of problems. And I

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pray, Lord, even in this group, that there would just be a cure for all the damages that it's

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caused. And I thank you, God, for their faithful work. Bless them, go before us. And I pray all

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this in the wonderful name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you very much, Mike. Thank you.

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Thank you, everybody, for being here. Thank you, Stephen, for organizing and put final chats in

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there and the meeting will now end and you can go to the Tom Rodman. You can go to the Tom Rodman

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group. The link is there on the chat for those who have the time. Mike McClure, well done. We're out

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here supporting you and honour your courage and we need more of you. So may your prayer be

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effective on all of us. Thank you. Thank you. God bless you, Charles. Thank you for speaking to us.

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God bless all. Thank you. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Shasta. Thank you, Mike.

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Thank you all. God bless you.