So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
This group was founded by Dr Stephen Frost of Wales in mid-2021 during the darkest days
of the COVID scam responses with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, health and
freedom.
Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower
and activist.
His medical specialty is radiology, so he clearly sees through most things and can particularly
see through crap.
Sadly, the need for this group is increasing, not decreasing.
The forces of evil globally are not disappearing.
I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.
I'm Australasia's passion provocateur and my jacket is red because red is the colour of
passion.
The people who attend this group are indeed passionate about the aims of this group.
I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago and over the last 11 years
I have helped several parents and lawyers to strategise remedies for vaccine damage
and damage from bad medical advice.
I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
I also note that in America the third highest cause of death is medical misadventure or
bad medical advice.
I must say I must dig out.
It's hard to get the data.
I'll have to dig it out for Australia.
We comprise here lots of professions, doctors, lawyers, naturopaths, homeopaths, healers,
journalists, engineers, writers, researchers, scientists, filmmakers, dentists, nurses,
investors, financiers, patent experts, professors and educators, primate experts, police, military,
thinkers, philosophers, peacemakers and troublemakers.
And we're from the UK, USA, Australia, Canada, Argentina, Sweden, Norway, Borneo, New Zealand,
South Africa, Czech Republic, Germany, Austria and from other places.
If you're from elsewhere, please put it in the chat.
If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself to the chat.
Of course, Brad and Mike, this doesn't apply to you.
This is your first time here, but you're well introduced.
So don't feel you have to put anything in the chat.
We ask that you show your name on the screen so we know who you are.
If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio or TV show and Brad Dacus
does have a TV show or you have written a book, put the links into the chat so we can
follow you, promote you and find you.
And indeed, Mike and Brad, please put your links in there and make it easy for people
right at the start of the chat.
This group meets at least twice weekly in a true spirit of exploration and discovery
to increase our understanding of what's going on and how to more effectively preserve and
fight for truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.
Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War Three and that there are various
battle lines as part of this war.
Some of us believe we are in fact in the continuation of World War Two and some people have labelled
us we're in the 5G war or World War 5G.
Most of us understand the development of science.
The wonderful author Michael Crichton wrote, when someone tells you the science is settled,
reach for your wallet.
This meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time, Tom Rodman
runs a video telegram meeting.
Tom puts the links into the chat if you are able to join.
Brad and Mike, we hope you can stay for all of that but we understand if you have to leave
a little bit earlier, that's entirely up to your diaries.
We will listen to our guest presenters, Brad and Mike, for as long as they wish to speak
and then we have Q&A.
If you wish to ask a question, raise your hand using the reactions tab on the bottom
of your screen.
Stephen Frost, via long established tradition, asks the first questions.
There is no censorship.
It's a free speech environment but we have proper moderation.
Be patient with the process of the meeting.
Different people have totally different views about what is important, what is relevant,
what is nonsense.
Free speech is crucially important to our fight to preserve our human freedoms.
The tragedy these days is that a majority of people would choose security ahead of freedom
and then they end up with neither.
This group can help you to identify your beliefs and perhaps help you change those that no
longer serve you.
This group can help you raise your self-awareness, a crucial factor in your enjoyment and experience
of your life.
If you find yourself upset by anything that is said, look inside yourself.
That's where your upset originates.
If you are offended by anything, be offended.
We are genuinely not interested.
We reject the offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another.
I have a list of nine standard responses to someone who claims to be offended by something
that I said.
If you want a copy, I'm happy to share it.
I urge you to never apologise to someone who claims to be offended.
Decide to have an open mind.
It's the fastest way to learn.
We come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear.
Fear is the opposite of love.
Fear squashes you, suppresses you, depresses you.
Love on the other hand expands you, energises you, enhances you.
Loving those with different views to your own is a challenge and we encourage you to
embrace that challenge.
If you have a solution or a product that will help people, put the details into the chat.
If you have links and resources that will be helpful, put them into the chat.
The meeting is recorded and is uploaded within a few days onto the Rumble channel.
I will put the link into the chat and now welcome to our presenters.
We've got the law and Christianity, law and religion here together with this is the first,
I think, Brad and Mike.
So welcome to the two of you.
Thank you so much for coming.
Stephen, well done for organising Brad and Mike.
We thank you both for giving us your time, wisdom and insights.
Thank you again, Stephen, for us for creating this group.
Stephen, do you want to thank anyone who helped you organise Brad and Mike?
I want to thank the two guests for agreeing to come on at short notice and also Shasta
who helped me to contact them.
In particular, Mike, I think, Pastor Mike McClure is the pastor at her church and as
I understand it, it was the only church in the area in Silicon Valley which was open
for long periods.
And poor Mike, well, yes, I'm not sure how badly you feel about it, Mike, but you've
managed to get fines of $2.7 million.
Is that right?
That's quite an achievement.
Yeah, 2.7.
So I'm hoping to get a loan from all of you today.
I understand.
Yeah.
There's plenty of Yugoslav dinars available here.
We've got 300 million of those.
All right.
But Mike, I couldn't explain because we were so last minute.
So I think that Brad is only available for an hour.
And is that right, Brad?
Well, anyway, and so I just wonder, you know, if you've got something to do for this hour,
the next hour, and you don't want to listen to Brad, then you don't have to be here.
I thought that you would be able to do that.
So I just wanted to explain that I didn't have time to explain that to you and I'm sorry
about that.
And I'm sorry also, Bradley, I misunderstood what I was told that you're only available
for an hour when in fact you may be available for longer.
But I just wanted to make sure that you understand that I was saying that.
And I'm sorry to have you come in.
I'm sorry to have you come in.
You're on mute, Brad.
You're muted, Brad.
Very good.
Yeah.
But I want to be sensitive.
Pastor Mike McClure, I know he's got things.
Yeah, he's doing he's got a large church.
I don't know if you can hear him.
I think he's got a little bit of a problem.
He's got a little bit of a problem with his phone.
And so I just wanted to make sure that you understand that.
And I'm sorry to hear that.
I know he's got things.
Yeah, he's doing he's got a large church.
So I want to be sensitive to his time as well.
So Brad, are you available for longer than the hour or not?
Yeah, just just an hour.
That's the most I've got, unfortunately.
So you better go first.
Maybe you should at least most in this hour.
And then what do you think, Charles?
Yeah, Brad goes first.
And then Mike Mike is here.
And so we'll be able to talk.
We'll talk about Brad spiritually after he leaves.
That'll be perfect.
Very good.
Over to you, Brad.
Is that okay with you, Mike?
Sure, that's great.
I'm just honored to be here.
So I'd like to hear what Brad has to say.
He's super knowledgeable.
So yeah, go ahead, Brad.
I'll be listening.
Okay, I'm ready.
And I want you to know, Pastor Mike, that as an attorney,
most of what I say is going to be true, too.
So a little lawyer joke there.
So anyway, a little bit of my background.
So you understand, I founded Pacific Justice Institute.
I'm a constitutional law attorney.
Found a Pacific Justice Institute back in 1972.
That's more than 25 years ago.
Now we do all our work without charge,
always defending religious freedom, parents' rights,
the sanctity of human life.
We have more than 150 cases right now in active litigation.
I'm going to talk about a number of those cases,
which I think you'll find encouraging,
but also understanding the breadth and depth
of what we're involved in
and addressing these issues involving
the vaccine mandates and tyranny.
And I use vaccine for the record up front,
realizing that the definition has been changed
and it's really not an accurate usage of the word,
but for simplicity, I'm going to use it.
So anyway, we've had this organization,
we started the organization,
our attorney general led me to help me get it started.
Fast forward, we now have 29 offices in 23 states.
All of them have donated office space.
The latest we just opened, announced today, was in Hawaii.
We do all our work without charge once again.
And we're sort of unique in that we don't just
cherry pick high profile cases.
Our goal is to make sure that no one's left on the side of the road,
that everyone gets the assistance that they need without charge
dealing with these areas,
religious freedom, parents' rights, sanctity of life.
And I want to make that really clear because oftentimes
people need assistance dealing with this topic.
They don't know where to go,
or some organizations that purport to do religious freedom
aren't touching these at all.
And I know that firsthand.
So I want you to make note of this,
to refer people to us if they need help or assistance.
Most of our work is United States,
but we do get involved in certain circumstances
dealing with religious asylum.
For example, we helped about 100 Christian Afghan refugees
escape a refugee camp,
in a Muslim country and be able to come to the United States.
So we do get involved in some of that.
I also do speaking tours.
I've done in South Korea and Hong Kong and Honduras,
but generally speaking, our cases are here in the United States,
although I am very open to travel.
So I just, and I without charge.
So always feel free to take note of that.
If we're going to serve you informationally
or in terms of cases or empowering
in some way with our resources online,
feel free to go there, pji.org, pji.org.
There's other attorneys and other organizations
doing great work.
I can only talk to you about what we're doing.
And I know we have more offices in more states,
helping more people in more cases
than any other organization in the country, bar none.
And so we're here to serve you.
We're here to help and represent you,
but there are others out there doing good work as well.
I would go into some of the stats involving COVID and the vaccines,
but you guys are a unique audience.
You guys know the stats.
You know them forward and backward.
And so I'm not going to waste time on that regard.
I do want to, though, to let people know right up front,
none of you are doctors and have patients dealing with,
you know, brain fog resulting from the vaccines.
I encourage you to look at alternative treatments.
I had, here's my personal story, when I had the COVID-19
and what was called COVID-19, if you will,
I had it very severely.
I didn't get the vaccines.
I was thinking about the J&J maybe.
I was doing my research, but I'm very meticulous on details.
And by the time I was even halfway done, I got COVID.
So it was sort of decided for me.
I had a fever for 13 days straight.
Every day I was getting worse and worse.
Had to be run to ER twice.
Had a widespread viral pneumonia in my leg.
Viral pneumonia in my lungs, I have asthma.
Wasn't looking pretty.
But fortunately, I went outside of my traditional medicine,
which is Kaiser, who was going to do nothing for me.
And instead, I talked to some specialist doctors
who I know personally and trust.
And they changed my regimen.
Hydroxychloroquine didn't really help me
because I took it too late.
But on the flip side, though, I did get medications
that did help me, not the remdesivir.
Definitely not that.
And I was able to get some protocol,
which allowed me to recover.
But then afterwards, I had this brain fog.
And I have a TV show.
It's on his channel.com called Brad Dacus Live.
And I also have a radio program called The Dacus Report.
And that's heard on over 800 stations and transmitters
across the country.
We don't pay a penny for this, for any of our broadcasts.
But I was doing my recording for my show,
Brad Dacus Live, for his channel.
And it was after I recovered.
It was on a Monday.
And after I was done, the producer came out and says,
OK, Brad, you're not coming back this week.
Come back next week.
You're not all here.
And I thought I was fine.
I says, what are you talking about?
I looked at my co-host at the time.
And I said, I'm doing fine, right?
And he just looked down.
Of course, I was his boss, so I can see why he didn't want
to say anything.
So I took the hint.
And what I did is one week later on the following Monday,
before the show, early in the morning,
I went to see a gentleman named Ron Weinstock.
He has a clinic called Quantum Research in Tustin, California,
in the United States.
And he's patented and developed an electron modular therapy
process that's great for anyone with a brain injury.
It's great for neck and back pain issues, joint pains.
It helps to stimulate the nerves and to reconnect the nerves,
et cetera.
I'm not an expert, so I'm just sort of giving you
a layman's rough description.
He gave me one treatment, 30 minutes, with the electrons
going crisscrossing.
I was back to normal like that.
I will go back to the studio.
They said after the show, they said,
you're 100% back to normal.
A gentleman I met after that, Northern California,
I was talking to him.
And he said, yeah, I used to be a physical therapist.
Now I'm on disability.
I can't process.
I can't think.
I have brain fog.
And I told him about what I did.
He said, do you think it'll work for me?
I said, I get the next flight down to Southern California
as soon as possible.
I said, that's how confident I am.
He calls me about four days.
It's like, I think he had like 10 days of treatment
over two weeks.
He called me after four or five days.
And I hear him crying on the phone saying,
I'm back to normal.
I am back to normal.
I can, I'm back to normal.
Thank you.
So if you know of people in a bind who have brain fog,
anything to do with a neurological condition
that could be, they need assistance
and traditional medicine is not helping them,
this is something I want to look into.
Something else I've discovered also is a usage of probiotics.
I've heard it's effective.
I've talked to someone who uses that, who does that,
that actually administers that.
But there's a lot of things I think we need to
and be diligent to look at as we deal with people
who have these problems.
You know, the milk has been spilled.
Now, how do we clean it up?
And I think that should be a great talking point
on your program in the future.
But I wanted to mention that in case it can help someone out
there, I've let pastors know, I've even mentioned on my radio
show, my television show, and we're having a new TV show
coming out, but I'll leave that for another time.
So, Brad, what we're doing-
So, Ron, we're on Weinstock, and what's the,
in California, what's the business called?
Yeah, it's Quantum Research.
And I'm going to just pull it up real quickly here.
And maybe someone could put it on the chat while I'm talking.
But his phone number is Errico3107.
770-2615-310-770-2615.
And it's been, he's been absolutely,
he's benefited so many people.
I actually, to make a long story short,
I had a major head injury, brain injury when I was 16.
This has all been reconstructed, FYI.
Guy did a great work in healing.
I worked my tail off, reconnected a lot of neurons.
I put myself through undergrad, got my degree in finance,
was a 3.86 at Texas A&M, worked a couple of years,
put myself through one of the top 20 law schools,
University of Texas.
So I bounced back really well, but I had these,
these endorphins would be released about once a month,
once every other month.
And then I'd have to, 45 seconds to get my head to the ground
or I'd pass out.
This happened for 40 years.
And how I originally met Ron Weinstock was,
I went in and to see if his electrons
could help rewire and get things moving faster.
It was just like you do with a car.
It's like a tune-up.
And now I have these, the scar tissue, I guess, has gone down.
Endorphins don't build up like they used to.
It's maybe once every six months.
This is after a 40-year continual.
I'm sharper, less snappy according to my wife.
So I think there's a lot of,
I'm just sort of pouring this on the table.
This is maybe not the best for my purpose, but
if you know people with any kind of neurological issues,
it's not just dealing with brain fog.
It deals with a lot of other things
that can really help people reach their optimal.
Even people with Parkinson's and Alzheimer's
has helped them at least deal with the symptoms.
So anyway, just FYI, I'm throwing that out there.
Pacific Justice was involved in the tyranny from day one
when it comes to the shutdowns.
Of course, Mike McClure in his case, very bold pastor.
I've very high regard to him for how he took on that case
and took the route that he did.
We at Pacific Justice Institute, in addition,
we defended five churches there in the same county
in San Jose area, Santa Clara County.
And it was called the Gateway Church case.
We went ahead strategically.
We didn't file immediately.
We wanted to wait for a greater disparity
between the churches and the strip clubs
and everyone else that had opened.
We filed it strategically.
Our chief counsel, Kevin Snyder, is very brilliant,
very gifted, and we timed it perfectly.
So we filed for an emergency injunction
and we did not receive it.
We did not get an injunction from a temporary restraining
order, preliminary injunction from the lower federal court.
We appeal it to the NICER Court of Appeals.
We filed a writ.
That was denied as well.
TBL will open up the churches.
The business deal was California-minded.
It was also against the governor of California,
Governor Gavin Newsom.
Because the blue states, like California,
which are more liberal-dominated,
are the most intolerant.
That's just the way how it's all panned out.
So we were busy in the blue states like California,
New York, et cetera.
Then from the Ninth Circuit, we filed what's called
an emergency writ with the US Supreme Court.
It's very difficult to get a case heard by the Supreme Court.
Traditional protocol would give you,
takes a long time and you have a less than 1% chance
of them taking up the case.
But instead, what we did is we filed an emergency writ.
These are like 1 in 10,000 chance of getting it.
It's extremely remote.
They'll take these up.
It's usually in death penalty cases,
are the kinds that they take up.
And those are usually denied.
Well, they took it up.
And Kevin did a great job putting the case together
so that they would take it up.
But they've heard it in just three days.
Three days.
Okay, this is Easter time.
Great things happen in three days.
I'm just saying.
So in just three days, the Supreme Court decided the case,
six to three, ordering Governor Gavin Newsom of California
and the County of Santa Clara,
open those churches now.
And they did.
And it sent shockwaves across the country,
resetting the assumption and the precedent, if you will,
so that no longer were courts to assume
that the Constitution could ever be put on the shelf
or the rights under the Constitution.
For the United States, we're talking about
the First Amendment, the free exercise rights,
freedom of association, free speech, et cetera,
that are sort of wrapped up in this kind of a scenario.
So it was a very, very effective, very important.
Well, that was the first tidal wave.
Then we had the second tidal wave,
which I never dreamed we'd have.
I'd have two tidal waves, legal tidal waves in my lifetime.
First, we helped countless numbers,
thousands and thousands of churches across America
through our teams.
But then the second one came, which was
people having the vaccine mandates
and losing their jobs massively.
So we stepped up on these
and very strategically took them on.
We started with our website becoming the number one
center point for information for people to get
in terms of what their rights are
and how do they preemptively respond to these mandates
and keep their jobs or be in a position
to be able to defend themselves in terms of their jobs,
in terms of their military occupation
for employers, students, and the like.
So we did that.
And so we had dealt with hundreds of thousands
that we provided this assistance for, always without charge.
The employees were the most common.
And of course, I'm not going to give you a lecture on the law.
We have some attorneys on here.
In fact, some I'm sure could probably do a better job
than myself in terms of the application of Title VII
and some of the nuances.
But we started filing lawsuits arguing Title VII violations
for those who had expressed a sincerely
held religious belief or objection to being forced to take
the COVID-19 vaccinations that at the time were being mandated.
We were, they've been very effective in,
I'd say most of these cases.
We've seen that the trend that we've seen happen
since the beginning versus now is that successes
are becoming more and more likely, not less likely, more likely.
And this is partly because I believe the case law
that's come out from Trump appointee justices in particular,
which have had a very positive impact
as well as the Supreme Court decision and the like.
But also the change in terms of the understanding
of science and the studies, what was once conjecture
and just simply an understanding of the unknown
and the risks of the unknown are now known, clearly, resolutely.
We have an attorney whose job it is,
he's out of our Mississippi office.
He's doing research, gathering the research and the studies
and the data showing the harm of the COVID-19 vaccinations
and the implications of that because we're using that now
in our litigation.
So it's not just a pure constitutional perspective
in First Amendment or Title VII.
We're now using this evidence to shoot down
even though a rational basis argument
for government actions, for government mandates.
And that's been very helpful on the private sector.
It's also been very helpful as well in balancing this out.
So we're very grateful to those who've done these studies,
some of them are maybe on this program now.
We're extremely appreciative of that
because it's helping us in our litigation
and our many cases across the country.
Just some of the examples.
So like San Francisco decided to fire,
just point blank, effectively fire about a thousand employees
and they didn't have an opportunity
for reasonable accommodation.
They didn't have a sitting down with them
to look about how they can be accommodated.
They were just denied, fired.
We have filed a major class action lawsuit
on behalf of them.
That's just one of those 150 plus cases.
That's just one of them representing
about a thousand employees.
We have Bay Area Transit workers is another major case.
Firefighters in Washington State, doctors
and across the country and nurses.
We've had great successes.
Children's Hospital of Orange County is one class example
that I was personally engaged in.
And we're very pleased about how that has turned out.
We had one of our affiliate attorneys spearheading that case
did an excellent job.
And so we've dealt with a lot of doctors, nurses, hospitals
and we found that to be very effective moving forward
in states all across the country, Arkansas, everywhere.
Then we also have dealt with not only employee cases
but also employer situations where you have employers
have their private business where they don't want
to require their people to wear masks
or want their employees to require them
to have vaccines.
On the flip side, they don't want to be sued
for creating a dangerous health environment
going against the standards at the time of the CDC.
Well, we stepped in and we provided some great Zooms
on this to train them.
Also some information on our website
dealing with this as well on how to balance that
in a way that does not mandate these requirements
on their employees but is done in a way
that diminishes the risk element of being sued
for creating a harmful work environment.
I would get into that but you guys are probably not interested
in that particular subject so I'm not going to go there
but if you know anyone in business in that situation,
now or in the future, have them feel free to contact us
because it's a real fine tightrope
but it's a very effective policy
and I'd say probably none of the people
that we've counseled I know has been sued
or much less have lost a lawsuit
so we've been really helpful in that regard
and helped a lot of employees indirectly.
Students were being mandated to be vaccinated
and wear masks so in Florida, for example,
we had a rogue school district, Palm Beach County.
That area, that school district,
was requiring kids to wear masks
even though the governor issued executive order,
Governor DeSantis saying no child shall be required
to wear a mask in a school district,
attended to an attended public school.
There were about 11,000 parents who had opted their children
out of wearing masks and for good reason.
As many of you know in the medical profession,
the psychiatric profession, social development perspective,
you understand that, I won't go there, the data's there.
We stepped in, we represented these parents and we prevailed.
None of them had to wear masks
but it became even more gnarly, if you will,
in the San Francisco Bay Area where we had,
there was about 40 school districts that went rogue
in California that on their own were requiring vaccinations.
One of those was a Contra Costa school district.
We stepped in, went into court and we got it halted
so that these kids were not going to be jabbed
with one of these very controversial
and now we know medically dangerous vaccines.
That was very important in helping us protect a lot of kids in California
and we've stepped up and we're able to do that
in anywhere in the country where a school district
or a state attempts to put these kind of mandates on children.
It's very, very important
and for the medical reasons that you're all familiar with.
So I'm skipping all the facts, the medical stuff
because once again, I'm assuming you guys know that
and have already covered it or will cover it even more better than I could.
So college students, some were being booted out of med school.
We got some cases dealing with this where they're done with the university,
they've gone to med school, they're now at the hospital
getting their, doing their whatever, interning, if you will.
And the hospital is one of our cases, has no problem
with the student not being vaxxed.
That's okay.
But the medical school that has to certify the internship, it certifies,
they're saying, oh no, no, no.
If they're not vaxxed, then you can't allow them,
we're not going to respect it.
And so they're denied.
We've had it flipped the other way as well in terms of
they went to school, university, med school.
Med school doesn't require the vax, but the hospital does.
And it says they can't do their internship,
they're interning unless they're vaxxed.
We've dealt with those, we're dealing with those as we speak.
And if you know anyone needing assistance with any of these areas,
please have them contact us.
Our website is pji.org, P for Pacific, J for Justice, I for Institute.org.
The military has been an interesting situation
because they're not actually technically bound by Title VII of the Civil Rights Act.
However, the case law has actually opened up positively for people in the military.
And so they do have cases.
We have an expert in this area, Karen White.
I talked to her today to get an update.
She heads up an office just outside of Philadelphia, New Jersey area.
Heads up that office.
She's handled over 500 people in the military that were going to lose their jobs
and has done a fantastic job in counseling them and working
their way around the actual specific guidelines to their particular branch of the military.
We even have that spelled out fairly well on our website as well, pji.org,
along with the other categories for employees, employers, etc.
So that's somewhat difficult, though, because there's not the Title VII.
The case law is not as strong.
That said, we are personally optimistic in that I believe after, and this is speculative,
but I think after the 2024 election, there's a good chance we're going to have someone in
the White House and a party dominating the Senate and the House that will pass legislation that will
allow these individuals to be rehired at the very least and brought back into the military,
which is already very short in its targets for employees and for military service.
But the more interesting areas we've had to get involved in, though, and sad, is dealing with
people in critical need of organ transplants. We were approached with this after it being
discovered that there wasn't anyone able to come in and apparently represent these people.
There are what I term I made up called medical death row. Medical death row.
So they need an organ. If they don't get that organ, they're going to die, and they're being
effectively sentenced to die based on policies of certain hospitals. I say certain hospitals
because more than nine out of ten hospitals across America do not require organ recipients
to be vaxxed. Great. However, about seven percent of these hospitals across the country
are not allowing people to get an organ transplant unless they're vaxxed.
Now, our attorney and our specialist, who's also as a doctorate in social medicine up in our office
in Michigan, Detroit, Michigan, Dr. Dave Peters, he's the one who's been taking on these cases,
and he's discovered something interesting. He's discovered that those hospitals that are adamant
and obstinate that you must be vaxxed or you don't get to live with an organ transplant,
it just turns out these are all ones that have contractual arrangements with Pfizer and the big
med pharmaceuticals in terms of grants and research, etc. Is it a coincidence? We don't think so.
The hospitals that have been very quick to respond, like Trinity Hospital, they're ones who do not have
these kinds of financial contractual arrangements with some of the big pharma. We've already saved
two lives from Trinity Hospital where they agreed to allow them to have their organ transplants.
These are all people who are ready, able to take it, they need it, they're top of the list,
and they're being denied. There's about a hundred that we are participating in representing and
going to bat for. I think it's also interesting to note this is where science is discarded in the name
of what I call the vaccine cult. I call it a cult because they don't listen to anyone else,
they're adamant. Some of these managers and people within government, they're adamant.
They don't look at facts, don't look at science. It's like a cult. That's, I think, a good way to
explain it. I think that's what we're dealing with some of these hospitals. What they've decided
to ignore are at least two studies that show that individuals, at least in varying degrees,
are more likely to reject an organ transplant if they're vaxxed with a COVID-19 vaccine than as
opposed to those that are not vaxxed. Don't bore me with science. I know that's their attitude and
it's very frustrating, but we're using that information along with other scientific information
to litigate. By the way, I just want to make it real clear also, if any of you have anything you
think that we may not already have in terms of scientific research or studies, feel free, please,
to let us know and send us that information. You can send it to prez, P-R-E-Z, at pji.org.
That will be forwarded probably to Ron Hackenberg. He's our attorney out of Mississippi.
Feel free to do that. I greatly appreciate that as we work together. I stress that as we work
together. Another area of legal combating I think that could be very helpful is in terms of
potential liability. Now, these pharmaceutical companies, as you know, under U.S. law, they
do general immunity from liability when they develop a vaccine. Now, there's a fund set up
for people who do suffer harm because of a vaccine, but there's not a direct liability to
these companies. Hence, the problem with the free market system we have is when you take away a risk,
then the parties like the pharmaceutical companies coming out with these drugs
don't have that element of risk and potential liability into the equation when pushing and
promoting and developing drugs. I'm not giving you a prescription here on what we need to change
in the future. I'm just saying the way things are right now. There's very little holding back
pharmaceutical companies not only developing these medications but also actively promoting them,
pushing the government to promote them, and pressuring hospitals, etc. That's where we are.
That said, there does exist some possibilities, I think, for death disability cases dealing with
those who've had the COVID-19 vaccination in the following scenario. This is where
they have worked for an employer that was not bound by a mandate to require the vaccine,
but the employer on their own mandated the vaccine, point one. Point two, the employee
expressed a conviction not to be vaccinated. This is the awful case. This one is not necessarily
critical, but for our purposes, this is the kind of case we're looking for. They may have a
ideally expressed a religious conviction against taking the COVID vaccine or issue of conscience.
They made it very clear that that was denied. Then thirdly is when they suffered a serious harm,
either a lifetime permanent injury or even worse, death. Of course, if it's death, then it would
need to be a relative, a spouse, or someone like that that would be the party for such a legal
action. The reason I think these have potential is because if employers in the future, we don't
really see it happening as much now, but if employers on their own issue these mandates
and they can see that another company was sued and another company over here was sued successfully,
they're going to have to take that into consideration in how they adopt their policies
and not just have a cultic viewpoint from an HR zealot. Instead, they're going to have to go
through it reasonably, rationally, and methodically. That's what we're encouraging
companies to do moving forward and are somewhat, but we need plaintiffs for these things.
We can't do it without plaintiffs. If you know anyone in that situation where they meet those
criteria, the employer was mandated it. An employer was not mandated by law. Number one.
Number two, the employee expressed their desire not to have the vaccine. They have religious
convictions against it. Number three, they suffered injury of some notable measurable kind of injury.
They should definitely contact us and we can talk about their situation.
Theoretically, they could have a case even if they didn't have religious convictions.
They just had criteria one and three. For us, we want the strongest case. We want the highest
likelihood of prevailing. What we're looking for ideally are those cases that have that second
criteria of a sincere religious conviction that was expressed and denied, but without that,
they could still have a bona fide case and we could still potentially refer them
out to an attorney to represent them moving forward. These are some of the things that
we're doing, some of our cases across the country. We've led the charge across the United States on
this from the get-go. It's been a privilege. It's taken us lots of hours and lots of long
hours on weekends. Our attorneys have worked very diligently. We're still hiring more staff.
We just opened the office in Hawaii because we have three new cases out there in Hawaii dealing
with people who are wrongfully terminated because of the jab. We have other cases as well, but these
are a bit of major priority simply because we had a void to fill and no one was filling it
with the degree that was needed at the time, that's for sure. If you have any questions,
I'd be happy to take your questions. Brad, we've got questions. We've got questions. Don't you
worry about that. Okay, so you're the host. I'll follow your lead. Go ahead. So Brad, that was
so wonderful to hear because the difficulty for many of us finding lawyers who are not just
after the money is so distressing for so many people in Australia, but around the world. Anna
will tell you also in the UK. My question to you is, and I brought to the attention of the group
previously, the value of vibrational frequencies and vibrational healing that you have experienced
and talked about with Ron Weinstock. Crucial everybody, I'll put the link into the chat to
the Alliance for Natural Health International, but how are you funded? How can you do this for
nothing? Well, I appreciate that question a lot. And before I answer it, let me just clarify.
Ron Weinstock has patented using electrons, so it's a little different, but he did it for
over 20 years. He's treated Marie Osmond, a lot of people. So for accuracy, I want to make
mention it's a electron. It's not electricity either. It's just a pure electron frequency
that anyways, it's proven to be very, very effective. And he's going to be franchising that
and getting licenses all across the United States and in other countries as well. If you're
interested in that end of it, bringing having brought into your medical practice, perhaps I
just I contact you about that as well. So as far as a PGI, well, we're funded by moms and dads,
grandmas and grandpas, people that we've represented, they appreciate our work. We
don't charge them. We don't pester them afterwards. We do our work without charge. And it's,
like I say, a lot of moms and dads and grandmas and grandpas out there appreciate our work. Some
employers appreciate it and they support us. A growing number of churches do. I identify myself
as an attorney, but I also have to confess I am also a commissioner in ministry, a minister, and
I do a lot of preaching, expository preaching from the word. And hopefully this won't disqualify me
for what I'm saying. But if it does, we'll talk afterwards. But anyway, I do a lot of guest
preaching at churches, a lot of Calvary chapels, churches all across the country and even outside
the United States. And I do that completely without charge. Right now I'm preaching out of 2 Timothy
chapter three into chapter four, which gives us a blueprint of how to respond to the tyranny of the
last days is very positive, as well as concluding with the good news of how people can have a real
personal relationship with God through faith in Jesus Christ, which is a hope that has to be a
part of the equation, in my opinion, for the long-term healing of our nation and the nations
who have been so adversely impacted by tyranny. But anyway, if people want to support our work,
they can do it very easily on a one-time or monthly basis. It's even more appreciated.
Just go to our website, pji.org and you can click it very easily to do that. It's tax deductible.
If you're in the United States, it's a we're a 501 C3. So just go to pji.org pji.org.
Well, that's magnificent. And I think all of us should take note and perhaps use your model in
our respective countries to do that, because the support that you're getting from normal moms and
dads, I think that's also highly, highly noteworthy for us on this call.
Yeah. Well, thank you. And also, we've helped a lot of private schools as well,
to help them reopen across the country much earlier. And I know a number of them appreciate
our work. But we're most importantly, people need to know we're here without charge. That's what we
do. All our employees are trained that the first question they need to ask when meeting someone
on behalf of Pacific Justice Institute is, what are their needs? And then how can we help them?
How can we serve them? And I think you'll find that true is if you contact us and need assistance,
and we're here to help. Thank you. All right, Stephen, over to you.
And now you're muted, Stephen.
You're the lawyer, we've been looking for for three years. Having said that, we are in touch with
some brilliant lawyers, Todd Callender in Texas, I don't know if you know him.
Well, Walter Mendenhall in Ohio, Warner Mendenhall, sorry, Warner Mendenhall in Ohio.
And of course, Robert Kennedy, Jr. and Mary Holland and that team, Thomas Renz. We don't really know
Thomas Renz, do we Charles? I keep thinking about him and then I forget. But Brad, wonderful that
you have anticipated that many people can't afford lawyers. And I'm stunned that you have
anticipated that many people can't afford lawyers. And I'm stunned. I'm really stunned in the UK,
where I am. None of the lawyers see any human rights violations, which they need to address
on behalf of their country and the world. I'm really stunned. And I get the answer from
people in this group, that of course, you have to pay lawyers for them to do anything. I don't
accept that. These are extraordinary circumstances where every person in the world has been
psychologically tortured by their own governments into a state of Stockholm syndrome and the lawyers
can't do anything. And not only that, but treason and the lawyers can't do anything unless they're
paid. Crazy. So good for you, Brad. Absolutely wonderful what you're doing. And yeah, I'm sure
you can sleep well at night. Yeah. Well, let me just say as far as the UK goes, I've worked there
for a few months, once a long time ago. And we would love to help in that regard and in other
countries. If there's attorneys in those other countries that are going in alone, you know,
we have different laws, obviously, although many of our much of our law from comes from the UK
through common law. But nevertheless, we would love to provide whatever assistance and ideas
that we can for any attorneys anywhere in the world that is fighting this kind of tyranny.
They shouldn't hesitate to contact us. And once again, I'm personally I'm open to
going outside the United States to speak to the extent to which you could give assistance.
That's very, so that's very important too, because this is a global problem. It was a global coup d'état
in March 2020, as far as I'm concerned. And it was definitely planned because you can't get
one hundred and ninety four countries to do roughly the same thing in response to a pandemic
that never was. There was no pandemic and neither was there any new killer disease,
in my opinion, as a medical doctor. And I'm still learning about that,
that argument and that concept. So I can help you with that.
My friend Thomas Quinn is helping me as well. So very good. Give me I think it's very important
that we all connect and especially I have difficulty in believing there's a God,
but I'm getting very warm to people who do believe there is a God, because at least they have values,
at least they have borders which they respect and they know that their God will punish them
if they do wrong. That is very good. Well, I want to recommend, especially being a Brit,
recommend C.S. Lewis's book, one of his books, A Mere Christianity. It was very impacting on me
and it may be helpful for those interested in that question of God and God's existence.
But even if we don't, just from a humanitarian perspective, it's even an egalitarian perspective.
What's happened has been a travesty and irrespective of our reference point,
we cannot refute the studies, we can't refute the results, we can't refute the impact and the
degrade of human dignity and human rights endowed to us by our Creator. So I think that I really
appreciate the diversity of individuals and their thought that comes together during these Zooms.
Thank you so much. So I agree with you, Brad, you said that these people are, you described,
like a cult, I've underlined it here four times, like exactly what I've been saying. So you're in
California, I've never spoken to you before, you come out with exactly the same thing. So they're
in a cult, yes, they've been psychologically tortured by their own governments into a state
of Stockholm syndrome, that's what's happened. And I was going to ask, are you looking for
very important principle cases, which obviously have the disadvantage of being possibly complicated?
So what I was thinking was, you know, in my view as a medical doctor, there is absolutely no doubt,
and I can put you in touch with psychologists around the world, including Matthias Desmet,
professor of psychology at Ghent or Hent University in Belgium, and Mary-Jane De Niro,
and Meredith Miller, she's a very, very perceptive person with knowledge of psychology,
and David Sher-Lambos in the UK too. So in my view, everyone is a victim of the deliberate
psychological torture. And so in the United Kingdom, that means that everyone is a victim
of grievous bodily harm from their own governments. So grievous bodily harm,
people think that that's it. So that's a UK crime, if you like. But people in the UK think,
including lawyers, think that it has to be physical. No, it has to be psychological,
because it came up in my case against the British government. I was working as a doctor in the
military, and I came across information which led me to believe that there was some massive
drug scandal in the military, and there began a five and a half year legal case. I was a whistleblower,
I didn't know what a whistleblower was, I just spoke the truth as a doctor. So what I ask of you
is all these people around the world have been psychologically tortured. Could we do a test case
maybe involving British lawyers? I can put you in touch with British lawyers too. Well, I'd love to
be in contact with attorneys all across the country that have a heart for this and are open
and interested in putting our heads together in this regard. We at Pacific Justice, we defend
religious freedom, parents' rights, sanctity of human life, and our cases fall neatly in one or
more of these categories as we take them on. In terms of the COVID vaccine mandates, it's usually
in the context of an issue of conscience, conviction, or religion for that matter that's
being required to violate. That in itself, of course, has tremendous psychological implications
when someone is required to go against something that they deeply believe in is right or wrong.
In fact, in the psychiatric profession, one of the principles premises is that they're not to
counsel anyone in a way that forces them or causes them to be in direct conflict with their deeply
held religious beliefs. It's psychologically very harmful, very damaging. And so from that angle,
I can see what you're alluding to possibly being very helpful to some of our cases
where I think you're able to prove it up even easier when you have someone with deep
religious or issues of conscience. So, Brad, I don't know whether you've thought of this or
whether anybody suggests, but it seems to me that people, you know, their way of life, their
countries have been attacked, their culture, their way of life has been attacked. That means
their identity has been attacked. That's a massive psychological blow. That explains why so many
people appear to be in a state of, you know, regressed into childhood, very childish, I find,
many of my former friends, you know. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of another area I want to hit on with
regard to the damage, psychological damage, this deals with parental rights, where you have a
parent who has children that have been mandated to wear a mask and that parent is able to see
implications on that with regard to their child in terms of depression, maybe suicide or
social development, handicapping, which the studies show a mask over a prolonged period does,
especially for the younger the child, the greater the negative impact on their social development
and communication ability with their reading faces and communicating. So, these are, that's an
element that can be very helpful to litigation from the parent's rights angle, if you will,
where parents have had their children harmed because of a mandate and ideally a mandate that
the parents expressed resistance to or objection to in some capacity. So, I've got three sons.
I can only imagine how a parent feels when he or she is incapable or feels incapable of defending
their own children against their headmaster or their headmistress or the damned president of
Harvard Medical School, for example, who thinks it's a good idea to tell his students, the brightest
medical students, presumably, hopefully in the US, and target his own medical students.
I personally would love to see Harvard, Yale, all these Ivy League universities sued to the
HILT for what they've done targeting poor students who are neither children nor adults
and their first, but they have the will to go to university, which is so damn strong,
and to go to the nightclubs and whatever, that they will do anything, including taking an
dangerous injection to comply with their peers so that they can go and do whatever it is that's
important. So, it seems to me that everybody's talking about the children.
Everybody's talking about the children, but it seems to me that the greatest crime was committed
against the 18-year-olds, the ones who are leaving home for the first time, going to university, to
the Ivy League universities in particular, dreamt of their whole lives of doing that, and then they
confronted with, you've got to have a vaccination to come here. Absolutely outrageous, and everybody
forgot them, thinking, oh, lots of people view 18-year-olds as adults. I don't. You're not an
adult in my book until you're 30 plus. It takes a long time to grow up as a human being. Anyway,
sorry. That's okay. I would like to work with you, Brad, but I'd rather let someone else ask some
questions. Okay, so we've got three, because, Brad, I know you have to go on the hour, so Janet,
Anna, and Glenn, and then we'll come back to Mike. So, Janet. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, just a couple
of points. Regarding organ donation, do you know whether any of the organ donors were required to
be vaxxed, and are there any preliminary data sets regarding the likelihood of organ rejection
by the recipient as a result of the donors being vaxxed? No, actually, I don't have information on
that. I don't think we do. That would be great if someone had any information on that. That'd be
nice to have. Also, I understand there's a talk of the need for blood banks with blood that is
from people who are not vaxxed. Yeah. And that apparently is another issue that hopefully the
free market will step in and the government will allow to develop, because there's definitely a
need for that. Yeah, and just the other point was you mentioned brain fog at the beginning.
And I just wanted to mention the fact that brain fog is actually a prominent symptom of
electrosensitivity to electromagnetic radiation from wireless devices. And of course, they've been
increasingly used in recent times, people working from home and so on, and that it can be avoided by
a certain extent by cabling devices. And this is particularly relevant in schools, because children
are more likely to be adversely affected by the radiation. So that was just the point I wanted to
raise for people. Real quick, you said tabling devices, is that right? Cabling, cabling. So like
ethernet instead of wireless for particular schools. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I've heard that.
Thank you. Thank you, Janet. Very relevant. EMF's hitting us left, right, and center. Just imagine 150
years ago, how few electromagnetic frequencies were hitting us compared to now. So Janet,
it's a salutary point for all of us to be aware of. So Anna, then Glenn. Hi, Brad. I'm a UK lawyer.
Like you, I believe in providing justice for free. So I absolutely salute what you're doing.
And indeed, I've been doing precisely that for the past three years, working pro bono.
But it's unsustainable. And, you know, I don't agree with Stephen that you can expect lawyers to work
for nothing on major litigation that goes on for minimum months, usually years. Because, for example,
I'm a single mother, I have nine mouths to feed. You know, who feeds my children if I don't?
Who pays my rent if I don't? So this whole idea that somehow lawyers can just,
you know, work for nothing is completely untenable. Now, I've been asking the UK
to set up a legal fund, because it sounds like you're funded, you know, to, you know, so that we
lawyers can actually run these cases. But nobody's done it. I've been promised for two years by all
kinds of groups that they will set up a legal fund because they recognize that even if they think the
lawyers should work for free, you can't expect the experts to work for free. And you can't pay
the court costs out of thin air. You know, you can't pay. Sorry. You know, there are costs.
I personally, so Anna, we've had this discussion before. I know. Normally, I agree with you.
I was going to finish the point by saying that what I'd like to do is have a conversation with
you, Brad, offline to find out how you're managing to do it. Because if you have indeed found a
business model where the lawyers can work and they get their basic costs paid, you know, because you
have to I have to fund professional indemnity insurance, practicing certificate costs, etc.
So those are costs that you have to bear before you even work for free. So, you know, it's
unrealistic, naive, and it's not working, which is why we're in the present situation, which is an
existential threat to humanity. I'm sorry. Everyone can be expected to work for nothing.
Yeah. But Stephen, who feeds the children? You know, you know, you guys, let me just break
Let me just say this. I get both your points. In the long run, we like we have attorneys who volunteer
pro bono, but they do like one case at a time for a limited period of time, because you're right,
they've got mouths to feed. What we discovered we had to do is we had to actually bring on the
attorneys either full time or part time, we pay them, we pay them at a rate much less than what
they could make in the private sector, but it's enough to take care of their needs. They're driven
by calling. And it works. We get no money from the government ever. Ours is from individuals,
like I said, who make it make it possible. I love to work with you. I love to connect with you and
to see what we can possibly give you in terms of ideas of how to structure something together.
But in UK has some nice advantages that about their legal system as well, that allow them to
streamline and in some ways be much more efficient. But one area though is this is an area of I think
where people assume that if it's legal, it's going to be covered by the government in the UK.
And this is an area that's not. And so having to retrain that thinking of individuals getting
involved and supporting is a different ball game for I think the UK more than the United States.
So I'd love to work with you, talk with you, partner with you. We've partnered with attorneys
across the world and we serve them. We work with them. That's our attitude. We have a servant
attitude and we'd love to see what we can do to serve you and the wonderful work you're doing.
Thank you.
Brilliant.
Thanks, Janet. Glenn, quickly. Then we've got Brad Goh and then we've got Mike McClure coming on. So
Glenn, be quick and then we'll be in trouble with Brad. He'll yell at us.
I deal with a lot of high level things, including the issue of the DOD taking control of the
vaccines and the super court that's in place because of the health emergency. And that kind
of thing has really affected people. Lawyers like Todd Callender, where at a federal level,
they've basically taken the two by four between the eyes. I'm sort of curious in your case,
do you think some of the cases sort of have gone more normal for you in part because the cabal
and the oligarchs on the other side don't want to rile up the religious world from anger and
therefore are trying to tamp down some of the cases you're dealing with so they don't get a
lot of exposure? Yeah, interesting. I would say 20, 30 years ago I would have said, yeah, they
probably don't want the religious community pattern. Today's society, I don't think it's
really determined. I think it's one of more just fiscally looking at the cost of a case that
they look at and now realize there's chances are more likely not they're going to lose. I think
it's just more of a monetary issue. And those who have vocalized a sincere religious objection,
of course, they inherently have a much stronger case because they fall under Title VII,
which is the biggest bat in the room that you can use, in my opinion, dealing with employment
discrimination cases involving COVID-19 vaccines. So I think it's more of just one of reality
combined with financial pragmatism. What's happening in terms of the cases? What's
happening in terms of the science supporting those cases? And is it really worth the cost of them
likely losing? And also number four is the reputation. We have, by God's grace and mercy,
we have developed a very strong reputation across the country. People know who we are, businesses,
the government knows who we are, school districts know who we are. And so when we bring in action,
they know that we're not going to just bow down, we're not going to just go away. We've got the
firepower and the will to take it all the way to Supreme Court if we need to. I think that helps
our cases quite a bit as well. That's why we partner with attorneys and we provide them,
we'll co-counsel with them on cases to provide them that support as well, even if they're not
on staff with PJI. Thank you very much. Thank the Lord for all your work. Thank you. I appreciate
what you're doing and Todd and everyone else out there. I love their work and their professionalism
and some creative ideas and thoughts that they've utilized. And it's clearly a collaborative effort,
it's time to work together. And we're seeing the power of that as we move forward. And
I appreciate all you're doing and I also appreciate all that Pastor Mike McClure has done
to be so exemplary for his courage to stand up for the government. And
I know you guys are going to be very blessed to hear what he has to say coming up.
Very good. Brad, thank you so much for joining us. Congratulations on what you've created. I'm
will certainly be in touch and I'm going to set up this model in Australia because of the stuff
that's happening. So congratulations. It's brilliant. You go, Stephen, quick thank you
to Brad because we're going to have Mike on here and Brad has to go. So just very quickly, Brad,
did you say 29 states and you've got 23 offices or something like that? 29 offices in 23 states,
the number is growing. And we open offices, all of them without charge, all of our donated office
space. But we open offices where we have the cases where there's the need. If I had my way,
we'd have just one or two offices needed, but that's not what happened. So our growth is not
because we want to grow. It's just in order to help us pragmatically meet the needs where we have
multiple numbers of cases. And so how many law firms are there like yours with 20 represented
in 29 states in America? None. They do the kind of work that we do. There's no one out there that
has this kind of a model with this kind of number of offices, ableing to help and not just take on
selective cases, but actually try to make sure everyone gets help. That's why we had to have
this model. By God's grace, it's happened. And we look forward to serving as many people out there
that need our assistance as we can. So don't hesitate to contact us. And once again, if you
want to support our work, it's never ever required, but you can do that at pji.org.
Feel free to contact us anytime. We'd love to help you.
And Brad, very quickly, are you interested in the Nuremberg Code? Because I am as a doctor,
the provisions of the Nuremberg Code and what happened with the Nuremberg trials to the medical
doctors and lawyers actually, and others after the Second World War, because Anna, who spoke
earlier, knows from the legal side what happened in Nuremberg. She knows how they went from what,
the equivalent of what is happening now, to the Nuremberg trials. So in other words, at the time
the Third Reich was doing those things, of course, everything was legal. But obviously,
after the war, things changed. And she knows, and she's going to present to us, all the information
and she's going to present to us on that particular topic, how they got to the
Nuremberg trials. And I just wanted to ask you a last question. Mike McClure has fines totalling
$2.7 million. We will find out soon how worried he is about that. But are you able to help him?
Or maybe you have done already. Well, I understand he has a great legal counsel,
and we always stand there to assist and represent him to whatever extent he or
his legal counsel need our assistance without charge. We're there to serve. With regard to
the Nuremberg trial and the information, it's interesting. It's ideology-wise, it's very
compelling. Legally speaking, we haven't seen an application to our case law where we can apply it.
But I definitely admire the trials, because they were premised, mind you, upon not the laws of a
state or the laws created by man, but by the laws of nature and nature's God. And but for that
acknowledged and implicit in Nuremberg trials, I don't see how we could have come to the outcome
that they did, which goes to show how important it is for us to appreciate not only the rights
that we have, but also where those rights come from, lest we fall and make similar mistakes
that history has shown us. Exactly. Thank you so much. Anyway, just a little side note there,
we can talk for hours on that topic later on. Anyway, God bless you all once again. If we can
ever serve you, please let us know. And thank you, Pastor Mike McClure, for all that you're going to
talk about. I know it's going to be a big blessing to the audience as well. Thank you. Thank you very
much for coming on, Brent. Thank you so much. Thank you. God bless. Take care. Bye-bye. So, Mike,
welcome.
Welcome.
Great to be here with you, Charles and Stephen.
Mike, you might think that's a hard act to follow, but the passion comes from us, we hope, and
we'll manage to ramp it up for you too.
Well, I appreciate all that you guys are doing, especially the need as you see World War III. I
mean, that's why I think what's going on is we're really engaged in a geopolitical war where our own
governments are slowly taking all of our rights, leading to what we refer to as the globalists.
I think that's happening in our case. We're kind of central of Silicon Valley, the shutdowns. When
this whole thing started with COVID-19, it began right here, and our health director for the county
was the first one to shut down, first one to acquire all the things that now spread around the
world, and the last one to open up. So they've just decided to make an example out of our church.
But I don't know what all you want me to share or what I could do to help.
So, Charles, so I did say, so what I wanted you to talk about, because people on the call
find it very interesting, is if you want to share it with us, you know, your child, why do you think
you stood out amongst the churches in your area, or was it California? So if you could clarify that.
But what was it about your upbringing, if you like, and your parents that made you different from the
other pastors, you know, so, and how your school life was, I think that's very interesting to all
of us. Well, it is certainly to me. And other things that have happened maybe in your life that
you think have prepared you possibly for this time, which is unprecedented, isn't it?
It depends on how much you want to share with us.
I'll share whatever you want. I don't talk too much about myself, but I'll just say I grew up
in Southern California, and, you know, my family's, one was an engineer, you know, on my dad's side,
my grandfather. His uncle built the Hoover Dam. He was a commissioner for the state. California,
my other grandfather who I lived with, he was a doctor at the Mayo Clinic, and a fellow there,
and, you know, he taught all the major universities. So both those men, I mean, definitely had influence
in my life growing up, as I mentioned, as a pastor's kid. I think, you know, someone was on
here, I think you were mentioning it too, Steven, just, you know, more open to believing in God. And
I think that is something, you know, for me, I was very aware just that there is a God, you know,
not just because I was a pastor's kid, but for me, it was when I really began to read the Bible,
when I began to, you know, study the scriptures, and you realize that, you know, these 66 books
really speaking about a savior, you know, the Lord, the King, the creator, as you look at
scripture, what makes it so unique, and the reason it's still around today, is because of its
prophetic power. You know, Peter writes in his epistle, he says, you know, we, he saw, and things
that we couldn't see, he heard the voice of God speak on the mountain of transfiguration,
but he says, we have something better than that, we have the more sure word of prophecy. So Brad
alluded to it, but as you look at scripture, it doesn't just talk about how to live a good life,
and who God is, it also tells us, you know, our need for salvation, but it tells us what's going
to happen in the end. And I think that's what's the most exciting for me growing up in this day,
is, you know, studying the book of Daniel, who went to Babylon, you know, in the book of
Genesis, we read about Joseph, who's the most prominent character spoken of in the book of
Genesis, and he went to Egypt, and he ended up, you know, ruling Egypt, extra biblical accounts,
you know, call him Imphateph, or Imphoteph, or the God of I Am, this is who he served.
You look at these men in scripture, and they all had one thing in common,
they really had a fear and a knowledge of God that we all can have, but I think this day
that we're living, we see the kind of end of days, the last days, as the Bible refers to it,
which, you know, for me, studying the scriptures and just going through as a pastor,
today, the Bible is, it's exciting times, it's very exciting times, it's also,
in 2 Timothy 3, it says perilous times. So growing up, you know, really in eighth grade is when I
began to read the Bible, and that changed my life, it set me apart, I think, from my brother's two
degree. And, and I think just, you know, I have a background, I went to San Jose State in technology,
I used to do database design, networking, you know, building computers for a small company, and
again, to start up and you know, just being around the valley for a long time, you start to realize
they really don't follow our constitution. Most people that live in the Silicon Valley
are from different countries, maybe a third. And so there's this kind of respect for America
that I think people have generally had up into the last few years. But they came here kind of
seeking the American dream. And they realize, you know, this is this is not the America that
they probably thought they were coming to. So I came up from Southern California,
go back a little bit when I was 18 or 17, my father came up and took a church here in town,
in the center really of San Jose. And so I came there in high school with them, I ended up,
you know, going on to school. And then at the age of 27, I just knew the Lord had called me to go
into ministry. And my biggest worst nightmare was to actually go work at the church that my
father was pastoring. So when I ended up serving there, I just, you know, as you as you just see,
God, it's amazing how he answers prayer, wherever we are, you know, the Bible says in Hebrews,
chapter 11, verse six, that it's impossible to please God without faith. Meaning we put faith
in our cars, we put faith in our fridge, we used to put faith in our government, we used to put
faith in the medical institution, we still sometimes put faith in lawyers. But I think,
you know, the reality is, why don't we put faith in God? And as Brad mentioned that book by CS
Lewis, I was just at Oxford, which is interesting, because what they're doing in Oxford is they got
those districts are creating, they're doing it there in Canada to lock everybody up. And they're
going to pass this, it looks like you can only go in a different district for 100 days. It's crazy
what they're getting away with in Great Britain right now. But this is all globalist strategy,
because you see the same laws being implemented everywhere, just like the United States.
Someone implements a law in California to do it in Maine, or New York, you know, simultaneously,
these people are all organized. And the plan's been out for a long time, you know, I got to meet
Robert Kennedy, Jr. last year to come to our church. That guy knows what's really going on.
I mean, he knows from the CIA, deep state, but this is a global thing we're up against. And
a lot of ways, I mean, this is, again, what the Bible talks about. So when I was 27, as I mentioned,
I came to the church full time, my dad had left and went to Southern California. And so I didn't
want to be here. I, you know, I wanted to live at the beach or the mountains or anywhere but in the
middle of Silicon Valley. So I ended up, my wife and I, we have seven kids, being both of us here,
not really wanting to be here. But I just, you know, I had a heart for the area for the people.
And I began to see kind of what's going on in our county. Years ago, I was asked to come and pray.
And, you know, in most United States, even, you know, the Capitol, you know, the Senate, they have
chaplains because the beginning of the country was very Christian. Most of our laws came right
out of the scripture. You know, you look at, I know some of you may say, well, you know, we rejected
the Great Britain back then and we now we're stuck with it. But the idea was, you know, to have a
country in which we had the freedom to worship the freedom of religion. And so just studying
history myself, you know, and meeting historians and people that actually had original documents
like David Barton at wallbuilders.org. But he has more founding father documents than anyone else,
even the Library of Congress. But you found how intrinsic, intrinsically Christian, innately
Christian our nation really was. That it was shocking. But they separated, in a way, the powers,
because it came out of the book of Isaiah 33 that says that God was a king, a lawgiver and a judge.
So they took some from Rome. They took some from, of course, different governments, but primarily,
they took it right out of the Bible. So even our three different branches came right from the
scripture, as did most of our laws. Like the reason Brad's able to do what he does is because
people get a tax write off. So they donate to him and the government gives him a tax write off.
That's how these lawyers are able to fund, be funded and support, you know, the small guy and
help out. And so you really need that tax write off, which I don't think you have in all these
other countries like in Australia. Anyone from New Zealand on here? Or just, you know, just Australia?
We've got members in New Zealand, but yeah, there's a problem with the time, although actually,
it's worse for Charles in Australia. So he has to get in in our summer, the northern summer,
Charles gets up at five o'clock in the morning like a good boy every Tuesday.
Who needs sleep? And Sunday.
And Sunday, Monday, Monday and Wednesday for me. Yeah, he doesn't go to bed till one o'clock.
And some people, unkindly Mike, tell me that I'm looking tired.
You just need, it's the, it's the Vegemite. You're lacking some Vegemite.
Very good, Mike, for you to know that. Well done.
Yes, exactly. You've learned something from some, oh, maybe Shasta.
That's it. That's right. Shasta. That's right. Shasta keeps me healthy as well.
Mike, can you talk about some, so, you know, there are people like me who are interested in,
you know, where you're all coming from with this, you know, the
God fearing, shall we say, for lack of a better expression and, and how it kind of keeps you in
order and keeps your, at least you have some values, you know, which seem to be sadly lacking in
people these days. It's not that I'm against people having a good time. I love a good time
myself. I like parties and stuff, but, but you know what I mean. It's like the end of the
Roman Empire, isn't it? So anyway, I just wondered what you think about, you know, from your
perspective as a pastor, hubris and humility. You're very humble, I noticed, and that's lovely.
And also, can you tell us about Silicon Valley? And would I be correct in thinking it's possibly
the most godless place on earth, or is that unkind? I would say, yes, Silicon Valley is
definitely not godless in the sense that they don't want to be gods, because that's what they
want. They want to put their brain in a computer, more or less. You know, this transhumanism is a
real thing. I remember when I was in the tech industry some years back, the biotech was taken
off. And now you see guys like Elon Musk, you know, trying to get ahead, so he says, of everybody else.
But the real goal here is to try to live forever, you know, and I think that's the real issue in the
world today is we're not going to live forever. You know, man is appointed to die and the Bible
says, then there's a judgment. And so it's the fear of God that really brings us into reality
of that we're going to be accountable to someone. I think we all know that to what degree, you know,
we really understand all that is really what I found, you know, comes from the Bible. But
you have mankind who's struggling with this idea that we're going to die. It's just unnatural,
you know, but yet we're the Bible says that we're creating God's image. You know, we're not animals.
You know, I'm sure there's some that here believe in evolution. I would just challenge you, show me
the missing link. Like I said, all my professors, you know, I just I think that God has made us as
relational creatures that we can know him, that we can actually have a relationship with him.
And that's what he longs for. The problem is man sinful and God's holy separate. And so that's why
he's sent Christ. That's the whole message of the Bible. I call it his story. It's history. It's
prophetic. The archaeological discoveries prove it to be true. My grandfather, as I mentioned,
was a doctor at the Mayo Clinic. He was an atheist or an agnostic, he'd say. And he like used to
even just started seeking like what does it mean to be a Christian? And my grandmother had become
a Christian. And the Bible talks about being born again, that you must be born again. John chapter
three, Jesus said to Nicodemus, the teacher there in Jerusalem, that unless a man's born again,
he's not not going to see the kingdom of God. And so that means that he discovers in John chapter
three that you have to be born in the spirit. You're born once, you know, your mother brings
you in the world. And then now you've, you know, as someone who's fallen in nature, needs to have
that God breathed life once again. And that's a gift from God, as I mentioned earlier, you know,
without faith, it's impossible to please God. We first must believe that he is and that he is a
rewarder of those that diligently seek him. So my challenge to everybody is just spend time diligently
doing something. You do that at your work. You're studying every day. You've been looking at the
news. You've been studying all kinds of medical history. You're looking to the logs that you're
looking at. All the things are going on globally. You spend all this time, spend some time just
looking at what God had has said to us. And he talks about the end time. You know, you look at,
you know, my background is technology. So I really enjoy like Revelation chapter 11. It says the whole
world watches in Jerusalem. These two witnesses are killed and come back to life. That's technology.
Doesn't use the word technology like dinosaur wasn't used up until like 150 years ago, but it's
still in the Bible talks about these things. And in chapter 13 of Revelation, there's a mark
that everyone has to take where you can't buy or sell. That's impossible. You know, you go 100 years
ago, one person controlling the entire economy of the world. No way that's just not going to happen,
but it's going to happen. It can happen tomorrow. It can actually happen today. I mean, this, this is
not far off. And yet the Bible has spoken about these things. So, you know, you, you look at
history and you look at all that's going on and someone, I think it was Charles said a minute ago,
it's like the Roman empire is falling. And that's exactly what the Bible says as well,
that there are 10 toes, the book of Daniel, and these toes are clay and it's a revived Roman empire.
And what we're seeing today is not a bludgeoning of a Roman empire of iron that can just crush you.
What you're seeing is 10 toes that are kind of in the image in the book of Daniel, if you read
chapter two, these image ends up with these 10 toes that are ruling and they're made of clay,
not iron. So it kind of turns from iron into clay. And that's what we're seeing today. These 10
rulers who don't have a kingdom. So they're the Mark Zuckerbergs could be the EMUs could be Bill
Gates, the Rockefellers, the globalists. You look at these people, they're ruling the world right
now. They're in charge and they think they're going to live forever. They're not, they're not,
they're going to die because they're men. But the reality is they're only able to run the world
through fear. So I think of that clay, they have no power. It's just threats, it's pressure. And if
you push against it, they're going to fall down. You know, they're, they're, they're just cardboard.
There's no strength behind them. And the only thing that's allowing them to continue is their
ability to put everyone into fear. There's mass psychosis and hypnosis that's going on.
It's really a spiritual battle. You look at the history of the world, Diana West, she's got several
books on this, but just talking about communism, what's what the real tactic is, is, is to set up,
you know, all kinds of fear and controls. And that's what's happening on a global scale.
But what we have is leaders who are either hiding everything or leaders that are exposing everything.
That's why so many people hated Ronald Reagan. But Ronald Reagan became a Christian. He was in
Hollywood and he ran for office and in California became the governor. Then he, of course, went on
to become the president. They hated him. They hated him. They shot him. They tried to get rid of him.
This is a man who was really doing things that that were against the globalists.
Did I lose you guys? No, still here. No, you're here. Yeah. But you see the reason they hate Trump,
you know, love him or hate him. I'd say a lot of Americans right now miss they put up with mean
tweets to have someone in control rather than, you know, whoever's given Biden ice cream every day,
supposedly, whoever these people are there. And, you know, we can we can guess. But the reality is
the Bible says behind all of this, the prince, the power of the air is Satan. And so what's going on
like Diana West brings out is that when it comes down to it, it's fundamentally spiritual. Everything
that's going on is spiritual. You know, the Queen in England, she became a Christian because of
Billy Graham. She was discipled by Stott, John Stott. I know this because I know the guy that
called Billy Graham, his son and others that Alan Redpath. But you have you have Christian
leaders in the world today. They're hated. And now you have there's no real Christian leaders at all
right now. But it comes down to, you know, it's Christianity that has been salt and light,
exposing the darkness and providing a preservative. That's what Christianity has really been
throughout history, such as my opinion. I mean, that's that's what's happened. And so you have now
a lack of people who really believe that and have that that that relationship with God. And so
what needs to happen is we need to turn back to what where truth comes from. And the question is,
what is true? Because that's where our fears come from. You know, it's psychological body, soul and
spirit. It's like everything's tied together. But God's come that we you know, he wants to give us
love, perfect love casts out all fear. And so I would say to anyone who's interested in just,
you know, looking at where love really comes from, in the New Testament, the words of God begs a
Greek word, which is a self sacrificing love like a mother toward his child. That's God's love for us.
And so he's not distance because he doesn't love us. He's distant because of our own sin nature.
But because of what Christ did on the cross, he paid that he is perfect. And the question,
you know, I was just talking to Trevor Loudon and Trevor struggles with with, you know,
just believing that Jesus is the son of God. But he believes that Jesus, a great person, love the
church. But I just don't know about this Jesus guy. But that's the fundamental question that
needs to be answered, you know, by each one of us. But the Bible does say it's a name above all
names. I personally found that's that's where my strength come from my peace, hope, joy. Like I was
in court with a judge and he says, Can't you just stop for a while, you know, and just kind of obey
the mandates. And I gave him scripture, Hebrews chapter 10, it talks about not forsaking the
gathering together the saints. And I told him about the fruit of people who were suicidal would have
been dead. Many people in our church have powerful stories that that they wouldn't be alive if it
wasn't for the church. And I you know, I also said a third reason is because we have a First
Amendment. And I asked if we still have that. And he said we do. Then I said, then you need to put
this this county and our state and our governor in line. That's your job. You know, can you do that?
And he, of course, wanted me to just just comply for now. And I said, Look, let's just cut to the
chase. You're just going to have to kill me, you know, because, you know, what is there to live for
if you don't have truth? You know, what if we don't have value in life, and we don't know who we are,
we don't know where we came from, we don't know where we're going, then we're just kids on a
playground. We're just exactly Mike. So the truth is our meaning. Oh, well, that's yeah. So I just
want to so there's something here. Please ask, ask Pastor Mike, how long did you shut your church
down for? And what was it that made you decide to open up when no other church did? And when we say
no other church, I think people would find it interesting. Are we talking about your part of
California? If so, how big and what's the population? Or was it the whole of California?
You were the only church open in the whole of California? I don't think that is likely is it?
No, was it? Let's see, 2020. And we had, you know, the whole thing began, I was on a trip to Israel,
came back, I just knew something was wrong. And this little short Italian guy named Fauci said,
I don't know who this guy is, but he doesn't seem like a good doctor to me. My grandfather once told
me, he says, if you ever see them put a doctor in charge of our country, get out because they're
going to kill everybody. Yeah, well, because that's a lousy doctor. But he was a bureaucrat more than
he was a doctor, in my opinion. Yeah, Judy McAvoy is a complete idiot. But he's absolutely. I don't
think I've ever seen anyone on television, never met him, obviously. But he's so unbelievably
self-regarding and egotistical. He's just an idiot. A pathetic idiot, but he's caused a lot of harm.
Yeah, he has. Him and Bill Gates have been in this, I believe, since 2002 and 2003. They've been
planning this for a long time, this whole global thing. But to answer the question about the
churches, there were most of the churches closed because Trump said just closed for two weeks,
which seemed weird to me. Because in America, all of our churches, even Harvard, Yale, and Princeton,
those were Bible teaching seminaries for pastors to go to. That's where they started. 90% of all
of our universities were seminaries. And all of our hospitals, 100%, were started up until recently
in our history by the church. So to have the churches closed, but the hospitals to be open
just seemed ridiculous for the first time. I just thought, this is not America. I didn't agree with
it, but we did it for two weeks. We went on Zoom, and then people started coming to church. I didn't
close the doors. Anyone could come in if they wanted to. And then Pentecost Sunday, which is in
May of 2020, there were several churches involved with just opening and telling the governor, you
know what? You work for us. We don't work for you. And we're all accountable to God. So you better do
what we do. We're going to do this whether you like it or not. We did. There's about 2,000 or 2,500
churches open. We were one of them in the Bay Area, probably. There's a few other small ones,
but we were targeted mainly because a friend of mine is a pastor. He was a chaplain, if you will,
kind of like a chaplain, I should say, to the county. And he knew everybody. He would just want
to help the county. And they started turning against him. And he had a lady bring a friend to
church. She went home and committed suicide. They closed. They wouldn't let her in because they
closed the doors. And then he just got real belligerent with them and just said, look,
you're killing people. And they are. They actually stopped answering their hotline number for suicide
in the month of October that year. And there was 14,000 unanswered calls. So in court, I was able
to point that out. Like, this is about health. This is really about health. You'd be answering
people's calls. This is not about health. This is about control. This is just pure evil. And so we
opened with taking in other churches as well in May of 2020. And then we ended up with getting
fined a couple of months later. And then the county said, they just want to take us out and
burn down the church, take our school and all that. And they've been doing a good job. It's trying.
But we have these large windows in our lobby. And they would come every day. And they'd write us fines.
And they'd put it up on the window so much so you couldn't even see any light coming through
anymore. I mean, but, you know, praise God in our country, we have the First Amendment,
and they have to respect that a mandate just simply could be translated recommendation.
So it's not the law. So when we did actually go to court, it was violating a restraining order.
So, Mike, did the police go undercover and spy on your churchgoers? And if so,
how egregious do you consider that?
It's really, I mean, there's no respect for the Constitution. Someone had said previously,
one of the council members of the county said that the Constitution doesn't apply here.
You know, so much wealth. I think our budget for the county is like $11 billion a year.
The tech companies, I mean, these people think they're bigger than, you know, anybody else.
They really have, talk about ego. I mean, these guys think that they're going to take over the
world in a lot of ways. They have, but we've had the police mostly come to the church. The first
Sunday we had sheriff, they came to go to service. Police officers came to go to service. We had
some, yes, from the county that would come and fine us. But I never had police come and harass
us at all. If anything, the police are on our side. In the United States right now, the police are,
they're only friends left as a church. I'm a chaplain. You know, our military and our police
are firefighters. They're all under attack. They're all forced with these vaccinations.
You know, even five people get sick from a vaccine. You pull it off the shelf. They're still
doing that, the FDA, but the FDA, it's really like the CIA. We now have a deep state that's
working in cahoots, probably with China and Russia to a degree. You see what's going on in
the Ukraine. It's all just a mirage of deeper things, distractions. But yeah, it bothers me.
They did a search on everyone's phones. So they had a company come and just monitor all of our
phones. And they say it was just pinging, but they probably had everyone's numbers. I guarantee you,
they did because they knew who came and had a record of COVID and who didn't. So they're
monitoring, I'm sure, like this call. I mean, I think Zoom goes through China anyway, but
to me, you know, greater is he that's in me than he that's in the world. And so yeah, it does
bother me, but it's like I told them in our several depositions with them, I said, you know,
I'm going to win this because we have a constitution. If you get rid of the constitution,
then that's a different story. But you guys are going to lose because you violated so many rights.
I've had my Fifth Amendment, the Eighth Amendment, which is excessive fines. And of course,
the First Amendment, they're trying to disregard, but that's what we're up against. And I really do
believe the only hope for America is a revival. And that is those who know God or claim to know God,
turn back in repentance to God. In Second Chronicles 7 and 14, it says, If my people who
are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and turn from their wicked ways, God says,
then I will hear from heaven and I will heal their land. Now that's through Solomon to,
of course, to the Jewish people, but it's the same God who has that same promise. And I've seen him
do that in our country. We've had problems before America really became America. There was a great
revivalist that went on was actually Jonathan Edwards and others that would go around and
preach the gospel. And it was a great awakening. And that's when the church was so flooded with
truth and the Bible was so well taught. That's what really brought America to become America,
is that we wanted freedom to worship. It's not just taxation, it's not representation.
There needed to be another revival and that happened just before the Civil War with Lincoln.
There was a huge people, churches were flooded again. People were turning back to God.
It happened again during the time before Reagan and the Jesus movement. They call it in the late
sixties and seventies and then it brought in Reagan. And we're seeing it today, you know,
and it can happen around the world. But, you know, as my grandfather said, he was a doctor.
He healed a lot of people, but he couldn't heal their soul. And for him, I was going to actually
go into medicine. He talked me out of it. He says, you know, by the time we're done with medical
school, the state will own you and you're not going to pay down your debt. And that's exactly
what's happened. Jay Barachara, a friend of mine, he's at Stanford, got two degrees. Fauci's tried
to just, you know, get rid of him. Wonderful man of God, loves the Lord and just trying to do,
you know, the right thing. But he is literally in between a rock and a hard place. The medical
doctors have no rights anymore. And it's a shame because they should be in charge. You know,
they should be the guys, doctors should be in charge of what they do. To let this happen is just
absolutely tyranny. And I think. But Mike, so the doctors should have been taught, as I was taught
at medical school, that no one gives orders to a doctor when it comes to treating his or her patient.
I agree. I think that's how it should be. And it should let that happen. You know, people have lost
track of how medicine should be practiced, including the regulators. I've been warning about
this for years. And then along comes this nonsense. I wanted to ask you, so is the answer to that
correct? Then the phones of your churchgoers were spied on by government agency or government
contractors or somebody. Yeah, they put a geofence around our property and then they put another one
around our sanctuary and their monitor. And every single person's phone that walks in, they know who
it is. You know, there's nothing safe. I mean, my background is technology. And so I know
you can hack into anything, anytime. Nothing's protected. Phones, you know, they have the
ability to do that. You know, if you have a real password, you could do anything you want. So
they were doing that. I'm sure they're continuing to do that.
If they could, they would just come throw us all in jail.
When you say they, are you talking about servants of the United States? You know, like
United States representatives, or you're talking about California or the... Who is they?
They would be the county of Santa Clara, our county. So we have a county that kind of regulates
different cities. They oversee about, I don't know, eight, seven, I think, million people that
live in it. So they have a health department. Then the health department's the one who called
for the shutdown. But in our government, you go back, I think it's 1944, when they first enacted
these emergency orders that gave the military power over all medical. So what's going on,
reason there's so much tyranny is because we have been passing laws through, you know, these people
like Bush or Clinton or Obama, and of course, you know, whatever Biden, he probably doesn't know
nobody's signing. But these people have been preparing for this day for a long time. And,
you know, the Rockefellers who are really truly evil people like Bill Gates, they want to get rid
of, you know, most of the population. So, you know, I didn't really understand all that two years ago,
exactly. I knew that this was happening. But what's behind it, again, is it's really satanic. So
they being those people working for the devil, those people who want to destroy Christianity,
and, you know, you look at right now, like I had at our church, our mayor came
three weeks ago, along with a district attorney. He's the guy that would actually throw me in jail,
and wonderful Jewish man. And, you know, he loves God. And so is our mayor. But, you know,
they came and supported us in what we're doing. So what's happening in our government is it's
fighting itself. So you have like the, you know, Department of Defense and CIA and all these others,
you know, three letter acronym, these people are all completely, you know, confused in at war with
themselves. And so there's a real deep state, the globe, they're controlling a lot of these countries,
they can control the elections, you know, I have a guy at our church, he worked for the NSA,
what Facebook has done in controlling the world elections, they did that in our last election.
So you have the Dominion voting machines, all of this is it's been, there's so many different
areas that have been checked off for them to move forward. And this is, I think, the beginning of
the next thing that's coming, you know, I think they're going to try to collapse our banking system
into, you know, digital currency. But yeah, they they is the county. But the sheriff is not
supportive of that. So in the way it works is the sheriff is the one who upholds the Constitution,
you have to violate an actual law. So they're trying to pass a lot of these laws, this was an
emergency mandate that went on all over our country, meaning it's not a law, we haven't voted on it,
you know, but they're doing a lot of executive orders that need to be challenged. And that's
where we have guys like Brad Dacus and other lawyers that are there to challenge that.
And the law is really on our side, you know, but the question is, you know, how much of our country
will be left by the time they're done with the next, you know, pandemic they're going to release.
Mike, do you think there was a plan for, you know, from your point of view, if you were able to say,
do you think there was a plan to destroy America, destroy countries all over the world?
And so that would be treason, wouldn't it? And so to enable them, the globalists to say, oh,
we can save you, your government's useless, they corrupt, look at the UK government, for example,
absolutely corrupt beyond belief. They can't, they're afraid to listen to Andrew Bridgen,
who's the only honest MP in the United Kingdom out of 650 of them. So he's the only one who's
speaking the truth, and they all leave the chamber when he speaks and, and it's outrageous.
So were you afraid of going to jail is one of the questions.
Come on, we have had too many questions there from then writing, we got hands up.
One last, last that last question, Mike, sorry, answer the last question. And then we'll go to
Glenn. Yeah, I wasn't really afraid. I mean, I thought it was a real possibility. And they did
my lawyer, Bob Tyler said, yeah, they're gonna, you know, they can arrest you, especially to take
the witness stand. But I think everyone in the church was afraid. I mean, everyone you ask people
came to church, they're all told, hey, if you come to church, are you going to get arrested?
And the county acts like they weren't gonna do that. But they definitely would if they could. But
yeah, that was a reality. Very good. Thank you. All right, Glenn.
Great to meet you. You spoke about the prophetic power of the Bible. And I'm sort of curious to
see, you know, understand some of your, your vision of what may happen here, especially in
the context of how, how so much of the religious hierarchy has actually been captured, and is
operating from the other side, and specifically on the in the space of the vaccines. It's become
very clear that they are in fact a poison, and that they're being used to actively poison,
not only children, but the unborn, you know, the the least secure of God's creatures,
the least secure of God's creations. And how can that be anything but pure sanitism?
Now, you also mentioned around revivals. And I'm here in New England, where Massachusetts seems to
be the belly of the beast, both from from the nature of how its its legislature does not support
the people at all. And that both Moderna and Pfizer are casting their poisons here.
Do you see any prospect that the power of the Lord can could could push a revival for us here,
that we could have something like Asbury happen that the rest of the world could
could could be wanting to come to and participate in?
Yeah, I think God can do a revival when we it's like it says in Hebrews 11 six again,
there's that diligence and just calling out to God. There's a movie out if you get a chance to
watch is the Jesus Revolution, which is kind of history of great glory. He's a friend and
I grew up in that. That's when the Jesus movement was happening. But it's a great movie. If you
you know, the Jesus movement was happening, but it's a great movie if you if you get a
chance to watch that. Kelsey Grammer, his life's been changed just playing Chuck Smith.
But I think the word of God is powerful. And it can change lives. It doesn't take a hammer,
you know, Jeremiah talks about breaks rocks. And we have hard hearts, you know, I have we have
crooked legislators in our state, too. I've had they've threatened us. I mean, there's a church.
But, you know, these people, I'm in a room with them. And individually, they're desperate,
they're afraid they're going to die. They don't want to go to hell. They're thinking about their
life. And when no one's listening, they're they're interested. They really are. You know, Billy Graham
used to speak to all kinds of leaders around the world. And the number one thing they'd ask is what
does the Bible say about end times? And how can I be sure I don't go to hell? You know, these kinds
of questions are good. And everyone asks those things. And the Bible answers all those questions.
And I think that yeah, New England can have a revival. I think it's a shame the church again,
today, you know, is corrupt very much. And you have that that Jesus gave us the parable of
of the mustard seed, you know, that became this huge tree. Of course, it doesn't the parable.
It's a spiritual analogy. But he says in the bird's lodge and the birds are from his first
parable is a picture of really Satan. And so in the church, that's what the idea is this this
mustard seed grows and has these branches and in the bird's lodge. And that's what's going on. So
there's people coming and you know, pretending to be believers in Christ. And they're selling you,
you know, a vaccine, they're getting probably paid, you know, a lot of them are probably getting
paid, honestly. And, you know, it's causing people not to have kids. Bill Gates did this. I mean,
this thing's been planned for so long. I was in Kenya, we have a ministry outreach in Uganda. And
they you know, Bill Gates himself went to Kenya and personally gave people vaccines for all kinds
of stuff, not just Ebola, but all these other things. And, you know, the 10s of thousands of
people are not able to have kids, you know, so that that what he gave them is is exactly I think
what they did in this last one, you know, goes to the ovaries. It's, you know, every study I've seen,
it's damaging and and seems to be irreparable. But I know Shasta and others I've talked to that
say there's hope and there's there's other things that I think are, you know, I'm praying will come
out. But it's a tension getter. Why did this happen in Nazi Germany? Why wasn't, you know,
Hitler able to get away with it? You know, why why do these tyrants, are they able to kill and do so
much damage? And the answer is just because this is this is not our home, you know, and God,
because of sin has allowed it for Satan to do what he does. He's the prince of the power of the
earth. If you recall, in the Gospels, Satan takes Jesus to to see all the kingdoms, the world said,
God, I worship you, I'll give them to you because they were his you didn't argue with him, you can't
do that. There's no, we've given them all of the world, if you will, over to his control. And so
we're under the power, the swayed of a wicked one, the Bible says, but, but I do believe when we call
out to God, just like in the book of Judges, God can bring back a revival, you know, we call out to
him, if my people call by my name, I'll call themselves, we turn to him. And I do believe,
I mean, the real fundamental issue, it's a spiritual issue. That's what's going on.
And if we pray, God, God will work. And we just can't stop praying, it's got to be something we
continue to do. And I attribute that to not just the work I've done in my life, but our whole church,
you know, we've had so many people come to Christ, we've had 1000 people baptized,
and their lives have changed, you know, you each one has a story of testimony, a life like, you know,
like many of you like, hey, where am I kind of believe in God, I'm not really sure the crisis
happens. And then they're just looking for truth. And they before they can come into the church,
they're weeping. And many, it's like they, they just knew this was true, this is what I've been
looking for. And so you get the darkness that's really coming over the land, but that that's where
the light shines brighter. And that's kind of what I think our church has been. And why we're kind of,
you know, a hot topic for the county, because they really don't want I mean, again, this is
spiritual, our county is really evil, they're promoted, everything is possibly evil. They're
doing it. I mean, everything that you can do. And the only thing that's not allowed is Christianity.
So but I've got two lawyers to quit so far. And, you know, even the ones that are liars, I tell
them they're liars, but hey, God loves them anyway. And, you know, the way you get rid of your enemies
is just making your friends and gospel has the power of doing that. And I've seen it over and
over again. There's a Calgary Chapel Church here in Chelmsford, Massachusetts. It's led by Pastor
Ed Conway. Have you ever had contact with him? You know, I might have there's about 2000 calories now,
so I don't know all of them. Okay. Thank you very much. Well done. Thank you, Glenn. Thank you,
Albert. Albert Benavides. He's a data man, Mike. So be careful what you say,
you'll remember the data and then you know,
Pastor Mike, it's good to see you again. For those of you guys who don't know,
Pastor Mike is my pastor. You know, just a quick a quick story is that I used to go to Calgary back
in the early 80s under when it was Pastor Wayne Fry, Pastor Fry. But then, you know,
and my claw marks are out there on the sidewalk somewhere, because I was, you know, I was a young
kid, so my mom would drag me in there. But I did see Mario Marillo there in a revival. He had a big
revival there that lasted a long time. Saw Kim Clement at Cathedral of Faith in the 90s.
But anyways, you know, when when all the churches were closed down, I was going to Cathedral of
Faith. And then I remember it was by Holy Week of 2020, that I knew that this, this was all a scam or
a plandemic or something. And I went to the parking lot every Sunday across the street from
Cathedral. It's like a it's like a metro parking lot for the subway thing that we got here.
And I would be in my car with my like, like, what do you call that? Like, well, I brought my TV and
I brought breakfast and I invited people through Facebook like, hey, I'm going to be there. Anybody
else in my church who wants to be there and hold service and listen to Pastor Kenny Foreman, you
know, on the TV here like tailgating, let's do it. And nobody showed up three times three weekends
in a row until finally the last weekend, which was May 28. And I remember it, particularly because
that that black guy had just gotten like murdered, sacrificed by that cop who put his knee on his
neck. I forget that guy's name. But that was the last weekend that I that I did that. And I was
there by myself, except that was finally two guys from my from my old church cry out Christian
fellowship showed up. But then I heard about this. I heard about my old church Calvary was the doors
were open. So I didn't I didn't know you at the time. I'm just like, oh, my God, they're open.
Hey, that's just coincidental. That was my old church. I'm going back there. And I've been going
in a part of the congregation ever since. And and so anyways, Pastor Mike, I've been here. This is
one of my hangouts every Tuesday and Sunday. And in this kind of parallel universe, I'm the I'm the
number one bear's guy in the world. So, you know, I've gravitated to that. And I think that that
Jesus brings his angels ahead of time. You know, and I and I like to think that I'm one of those
angels that he brought. He prepared me, you know, 25 years of medical billing experience has equipped
me well to follow the bears data and to expose, basically expose the fraud that's going on. You
know, they're they're throttling reports are not publishing everything there. They're holding on
to reports for more than a year, sometimes two years, and then publishing and telling us about
the death. So anyways, that's just my little battle station. And I'm so I'm so honored. I'm so glad
that you're here talking to my to my new brothers and sisters here here in this in this zoom. And
this particular zoom meeting is like is like is one of the best in the whole world. You'll you'll
see like Dr. Daria and Dr. Thor pitch jazz. I mean, there's like some some players in here. There's
some some strong people in here, some freedom fighters. And just thank you for being here. God
bless you. Pastor Mike. Hey, God bless you for all that you do. I see you pop up on videos
for the bears study questions. And so keep it up. That's great. Yeah, they're doing the same thing
to you that they're doing to all of us and trying to keep anyone who knows anything. They don't want
martyrs. They want everyone to be strung along as long as possible so they can accomplish our next
thing. Yeah. So so everybody note how clever Mike was to listen. Listen very silently to Albert
singing Mike's praises. So that's what you got to do. Someone singing your praises never interrupt them.
Well done. Well done, Albert. Okay, we've got four to go. And we're finishing in 20 minutes,
Mike. You okay for the next 20 minutes? We're finished at the half hour mark.
No, I'm good. My power went out. So. Well commiserate. Good for us. All right. Thank you, Albert Daria.
Hi there, pastor. I really appreciate you coming on. This is wonderful. I really am so grateful. I
was listening in my car yesterday to a lecture by Father Chad Ripper. He's a premier exorcist here
in the USA. And something you brought up resonated with what I heard yesterday was very powerful.
And it had to do with turning away from the created good. Okay. And he was talking about
the willingness to sacrifice that created good. And this was really fascinating. So I want to
know your thoughts if this resonates with you as well. So he was doing an exorcism,
and he was about to have, he was getting more and more control over this demon. And it turns out
this particular demon was Satan, the actual Satan, Satan. And the demon was instructed
after 45 minutes of being told to stay silent to reveal what God had commanded the demon to
say. And so the demon said that he was told by God that he had to reveal his nature to Father Chad.
And this is what he said. Satan supposedly tells Father Chad through the possessed victim
that his nature is that he convinces people that they cannot be separated from the particular good.
And as such, let me see if I can get it back. I just lost my, oh wait, I got it. Hold on. Sorry.
Let me go a little further. I actually saved this so that I wouldn't lose it. So that what he does
is it's how he subverts sacrifice. And he said to Father Chad, that's how I took Adam and Eve,
and it's how I took your government. And that's how I'm taking the church. And that's how I
have taken every single human being out. And what Father Chad then said was that this was very
fascinating thing and a fascinating revelation to hear from the devil about his true nature.
And he said that St. Thomas says that the one thing that is true here is that God wants from
every created creature the sacrifice of his will to him. And that means that we have to be willing
to turn away from the created good. And when you were talking about how people
were willing to compromise their own health to get to a football game or to stay in school,
that's the created good that they were unwilling to sacrifice and didn't contemplate
the gravity of the damage that was going to be caused. And in this particular case,
the vast majority suffered on some level, like Stephen said, at the bare minimum,
the psychological torment, and furthermore, everything up to death, but the suicides,
everything that's gone on with this whole process. But it was because of people clinging to the
created good. And like I said, this hit me like a ton of bricks. I literally had to slow down my car
pull over so I could back up my video and hear it a second time. That's why it's so timely that
you're here today. But how do you feel about that? Does this resonate with you as well?
This observation that was made during an exorcism?
Well, I mean, you look at Romans chapter one, it talks about worshiping the creator more than,
or the creation more than the creator and trusting in man. The center verse in the
Bibles from Psalm 118 at center verse says, it's better to put your trust in God than in princes.
If you trust in man, you're going to fail. And so what the vaccine is, is supposedly,
you listen to Malone and those people that came up with the Genesis, the messenger RNA.
I mean, it's really putting your faith in man. And they're even behind, you know, we're always
behind. When my grandfather, as I mentioned, early became a Christian, he started recognizing the
spiritual realm. And he was born again. It changed his whole life. It changed everything about, you
know, his view of medicine, he started to see what's really going on in the medical institutions he
taught in. And, and he knew that this was their plan from years ago. So Satan, he hasn't changed,
he's not going to change his plan is to steal, kill and destroy. And I mean, his nature and who
he is, is revealed, he wants to be like God. And so the lie in the garden to Eve and to Adam was
the same thing as, hey, you did this tree, you're going to be like God, you know, the question God's
word number one, did God really say is what he did. And then he challenged them to, hey, if you eat
this, you're going to be wise, you're going to be like God. And so that's what we're looking at is
trying to make ourself God, like I mentioned, you know, in our valley, Silicon Valley, people wanting
to, you know, put their brains basically into a machine, become cyborgs and all this so they can
live forever. If you're going to have, you know, faith and aliens and all these other things, why
don't you just trust God and try to disprove it? There's so many like CS Lewis, people who have
become believers because they try to disprove the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I mean, just before,
you really can say anything on a topic, you got to do some research. And, you know, that's what I
found with a lot of these apologists, they call them now people who are defending the faith,
were once the most harshest critics. And kind of like, you know, Paul, himself, the apostle Paul,
the road to the baskets, but demons, you know, I don't think I get my theology from them, but
definitely believe what they say. But you know, there's a sense of that what sounds like,
is what I see to be true. And that's something I think, devil is going to keep doing what he's
doing. Because the Bible said it to be, this is what's going to happen. And it's as if he doesn't
care, you know, he's going to keep continued on that path. All right. Thank you, Daria. We're
going to keep moving. We've got three more brilliant question. Jim, Jim, you I hope you know,
Mike, who Jim Thorpe is, he's doing great work to protect pregnant mothers. And Jim, I love your
thing. The shots are killing my patients. Stop the shots over to you, Jim.
Hey, well, thank you very much, Charles. And thank you, everybody for being here.
Shasta and Albert, my dear friends, and I want to just say congratulations, Pastor Mike, I'm really,
really, you don't know me, but I know you very well, because I'm very close with
my church, especially Calvary Chapel all over the country. But unfortunately, a really harsh
thing happened is that I've lost almost all of my pastor friends, they won't associate with me or
return my calls anymore, especially my local Calvary Chapel folks. But what I wanted to ask
you specifically, and we published on this extensively in the past, two years ago this month,
these rollout of this poison shot in pregnancy, the most vulnerable population, as you know,
of God's creation, it was a fata complete to push this in pregnancy. And I have proof of that for a
timeline. But what I find really reprehensible is that two years ago now, the our tax dollars
paid off basically through the Department of Health and Human Services created a new
agency called CCC, COVID-19 Coalition Corps, and CCC was given $13 billion of our taxpayers
to essentially buy off not only all the churches or the vast majority of the churches, but
every other 270 other sectors of our society, including all the medical boards. So I wanted
to ask, and I've gone on, this is a matter of public record, Calvary Chapel was one of the
big takers of this, as were the vast majority of other churches. And it's just totally given this
horrible pushing, you know, the people that I trusted most in my life. And first of all,
the people I trusted the least in the life before this pandemic was attorneys. Now I'm married to
one, I love my beautiful bride, but I always looked up to pastors and I always looked up to
physicians. Now the least respected physicians professions, in my opinion, right now, the least
respected are physicians and pastors. So the question I have for you is, do you see that
as being part of the equation why so many of the churches in the country now are duped because of
that $13 billion in the contract, the bribe, if you will, the forgivable loan that the churches
took? What's your views? You're talking about the PPP loan to pay people? No, the COVID
19 coalition core, $13 billion was handed out, a massive amount to the churches.
Yeah, okay. I haven't heard too much about that. I mean, they, you know, I can speak for at least
most of the Calvary Chapels I know would agree with me, but there are Calvaries, they're all
individuals, not a denomination. So every church is pretty much their own entity. But
for the most part, Calvary Chapels, no, they knew. And the guys I do know that took the vaccine was
to go to Israel. My brother was harmed by it because he had to go over there for work and had
to take it. And, you know, I just see a lot of pastors folding because they did take money.
I absolutely know that. A church in our town closed for the entire, you know, time and only
opened when the vaccine came out and he announces to his congregation that they're paying me for
everyone that gets the church gets money for every one of you that gets vaccinated. So please get
vaccinated. And here's all the companies are going to give us money and puts it on the screen. So,
you know, I think it's sad state again, like you look at the church and everyone's accountable
for their actions, you know, every idle word, Matthew 13, Jesus says, is going to be brought
into judgment. And it's either going to be what justifies us or what condemns us. And there's
going to be books that are open and, you know, Revelation 20. And so I think all these things
are happening. They're going to be accounted for. And as a church, there's people who are hirelings
that are, they don't know Christ, you know, and they could be in pulpit, they could be in Calvary's
as well. But at the end, it's really, is this what the Bible says? And so I just urge everybody,
say, you know, there has to be a final authority. The reason America has been so blessed is 20
7 of these signers of the Declaration of Independence, most of them went on to the
Constitution, you know, put that together. These men were pastors first, that's what they did.
And so they valued God's word above everyone else's. And that's why we have a country that's
I think so been so blessed for so long, because it was so founded on these principles. And now you
see the church going away. Sure, because a compromise money being taken. And I see it too,
with these people who are lured to take a shot. Some some did it because they thought they were
doing the right thing. We had nurses in our church that took it. And they were harmed a lot of people.
I mean, it's shocking to think they're continuing to use this. But it's not shocking. I mean, if you
see they want to kill people, I mean, that's what they want to do. If not, they want to make sure
you don't have kids, you know, and it's, it's really satanic, the whole thing. Tragic.
Excellent question, Jim, all of us plenty in the plenty in the chat asking that question.
I was, you know, same in Australia, the church has sold out. So relevant and important and
reinforces Mike, the courage that you have shown. Shasta, thank you for organizing Mike for us. So
over to you. Okay. I just want to say that I'm going to pastor Mike,
Pastor Mike and his church saved, saved my life in the sense of my hope and my,
my thinking that there, there was another way because things were so locked down my business,
it was like a ghost town here. You could only be outside if you were exercising.
And as a small business who I work with my hands, there was no way I was going to survive.
But when I found Pastor Mike, I found him because the other church I went to close down three hours
before the Christmas Eve party, because the county told them to, there were a mega church.
And so I decided to be brave and go to pastor Mike, Pastor Mike's church, even though I was
really afraid because I figured they might be tracking us. And I didn't want the county to
think I was making someone sick in my office. I mean, it was really, really strange here.
And, and when I went there, they were having a hot, hot chocolate and chocolate chip cookies.
And everybody was saying hi and smiling. It was a big Christmas tree. And it was like the only place
in all of Northern California that I knew of where people were congregating and smiling and singing
and staying out of fear. And so my friends and I just started going there because we're like,
this is the only place we can hang out and they have a cafeteria. It's huge, great food.
And it was just, it was like, for me, having not been a Christian and having been kind of turned
against Christianity from my parents, I, I came to see Pastor Mike as someone who was who was
coming from conviction and something inside that nobody else was doing. And whatever that was,
I wanted more of that. So I actually got baptized and, and I feel that my spirit has changed
genuinely. I'm brave enough to, to help with being a part of the solution here and to stay open,
help people who are infertile. And I'm seeing a lot of hope with that and people in pain
just to keep, keep being of service the very next day. What can I do to be of service and just know
that if I can pray with others, that that power is bigger than me because a lot of businesses went
out of business, especially in Silicon Valley. So Pastor Mike has been feeding the homeless,
he's been working with prisoners. And when we had the attorney general and the mayor up there and,
and, and he asked them, what do you want us all to pray for you? And it was about the homeless
and the prisoners. I mean, that was a story of a complete miracle that such a persecuted church
and people would be praying for the government that had done it to them. And that is what the
power of faith and prayer and Christ, that is the power. So I, I'm a testament to, to his,
to his, to those teachings. And I feel very grateful that we had him on because I think we
need more faith based community to deal with this whole problem. And that's why I wanted Pastor Mike
to be on. Well said Shasta. Mike, there you are. Another set of, you know. Charles, can I just say,
and now Shasta, you've learned how to speak in public. You spoke very eloquently then. I took
notes. I took notes. Thank you, Stephen. I, yeah. Very good. Not my favorite thing to do. Thank you.
Thank you, Shasta. And I want to say one more, I want to say one more thing. The church I was going
to was telling everyone to go get the vaccine because then he could come out and give us hugs.
And then he had all of these corporations like Apple and all these other corporations. And he
said that every month they were donating to the church. And that let me know that that's why I
think a lot of those churches stayed closed. When Mike McClure stayed open and he accrued a fine,
those people were taking money from the cabal. So we have a lot to learn from Pastor Mike.
Well said, Shasta. Thank you. Okay. Last question and then we're finishing. It's 27 past. Thank you,
Shasta. Janet. Yeah. Thank you for that. In terms of your personal position, I'm just wondering,
who imposed the fines on you? Are you facing personal bankruptcy and how are you fighting
the imposition of the fines personally? The county is the one imposing the fines,
the health department specifically. And they brought us to court. We were fined then by the
court for violating a restraining order. I personally had like $120,000 with the fines.
But after three days of being in court, I think the judge ended up siding with us
and threw out at least the fines. And then we appealed any decision that had been made,
I think in that court, to the sixth court of appeals, which is a state appeals court.
And they overturned unanimously everything that he or that court had decided and threw out,
of course, all the fines. But the separate issue that has not been dealt with is the county's,
you know, excessive fines over the period of, you know, months and months and months,
which accumulated up to over $4 million. They would give fines for people, you know,
if you hugged, if you didn't have a mask on, if you were singing in church, I mean,
how ridiculous is it you can't sing? But, you know, it was just a joke, a whole thing.
And I think it still is. It's just an embarrassment to humanity. But anyway,
we're still in court. We've been in federal court. Everyone's afraid to touch it because in,
you know, the United States, no one's had a case against the church before like this.
And it's shocking because the First Amendment is so clear. So as Brad Dacus, he and Bob Tyler,
I think, helped write the amicus brief that went to the Supreme Court and they ruled in our favor
that they can't restrict us from worshiping. And so we have a crazy Governor Newsom that we had to
sue and we sued him. Of course, he never shows up to anything because he doesn't have to. He's a
governor. But anyway, we're still in process and I couldn't even tell you how it's going to go.
It's been two, over two years and it's probably going to be another two years. But a lot of these
judges lack courage, you know, like the doctors and pastors alike. People will take bribes. People
are doing it for their own gain, you know. But Jesus said, if you lose your life, for my sake
and the gospel's, you're going to find it. And I just like, you know, she asked for such a blessing.
You can just see just the love that she has for people and for the Lord. And I think that's what
drives me and drives, I'm sure most of you is looking for truth and looking for, you know,
what is lasting. And that's kind of what I believe God's allowing in the world today
to get everyone's attention. Because what he really wants to do is to save our souls. And I
don't care, you know, money, who cares? The way it's going in the United States, I mean,
they're about ready to fund, I think, $19 trillion. They're going to send us,
if they do this, they're going to send us into a depression. And then it's going to make people
in the United States want to move to Canada. That's how bad it's going to be. Or Australia,
you know, it's going to get so bad. But I think that's all purposeful. You know, if you listen to
the World Economic Forum, a lot of their checks are happening, you know, to keep people fine,
busy, you know, distract while they, you know, take America down. And I think that's, that's
their goal. And that may happen, it very well may happen. It looks like that's where we're going.
But in the end, you know, as I mentioned earlier, with the prophecy, it's not the end, you know,
God is on the throne. And we're seeing the whole world's turning against Israel. And that's what
the Bible says is going to happen. And we're going to see a global government that's going to begin
to take place and all the players are starting to surface. And, and we really are at war, but the
war is against, you know, all individual freedoms and rights, so that we through fear, surrender
those things. But that was a long answer to a short question. Sorry. Thank you. Thank you, Jenna.
Thank you, Mike. Now, before we go to Stephen for a couple of last questions, we're right on time.
Jeremy Forbes, are you going to play a song for us? You know, while Mike's here? He's got his guitar
ready, Mike, you know, come on, Jeremy, don't show us the guitar and not sing or strum.
Just getting a little practice Charles, you don't want to hear it, I don't think.
All right, well, we'll keep keep practicing and we'll hear it in due course.
All right, Mike, thank you very much, Stephen. Last couple of questions, then we're gonna go.
So the lawyer who was on, Mike, you maybe heard him say, so Brad Dakers, he said that,
I don't know whether it was the Supreme Court of the United States, I thought that initially,
but maybe it was the Supreme Court of California. Sorry, can't see you. Oh, sorry. Yeah.
Just two seconds. Yeah. So, right. Can you see me now? Yes. Yep. So he said, so Brad Dakers said
that someone, I think it was the Supreme Court of the United States, or maybe that's me wanting it,
the that high court, very high court to say this, he said, open those churches now.
When was that? I didn't get a chance to ask him, but do you know, Mike,
and why didn't that apply to your church? Or did it? Yeah, Brad was involved. If it was said,
open those churches now, why were all the fines which you've accrued not forgiven?
Because we have a county who doesn't respect, you know, the separation of cert, the state's rights.
You know, you have a real division in our country, of course, and you have a governor,
like in California, who, you know, hates God, he hates the church. And so that was a real slap
in the face to him from the Supreme Court. But there, you know, there's many things that are
going on, and they're slow. And so the separation of powers, which is both good and bad at times,
but ultimately, it's for situations just like this that the founding fathers foresaw. And so
they separated powers. And they knew that the church had the time to preach the gospel, that
people would come to know Christ. And it's not the state's job to do those things. But the state is,
you know, of course, taking over every aspect of our culture, our banking, our education, our medical.
And so it's a real fight. But when they said open up churches now, Trump said that,
and people still didn't do it because, you know, they have their freedom to do,
you don't have to listen to the president either, I guess. So it's kind of a convoluted question.
Or even, you know, I'm not a lawyer. But I would say, at the end, people do things out of fear still.
And I was thankful for, you know, our Supreme Court, because that's the one thing holding
the country together right now, is some godly people on the Supreme Court.
So, Mike, I don't understand how Newsom can think that he can override the Constitution,
especially when the Supreme Court of the United States is so outraged that six to three, they say,
open those churches now. Because in the British mindset, you know, you just do what's right.
You know, you're thankful for the Queen. You're thankful for God. And there's this mindset where
you take care of one another, you know, kind of goes back to Wilberforce in, you know, taking
an abolishing the slave trade in your country and also bringing manners and this understanding of
gentlemen and ladies and the gospel. So Wilberforce really, you know, transformed a lot of England at
that time that's still around today. In America, there's just not that kind of respect and unity.
And, you know, our founding fathers said, you know, we have a republic if we can keep it.
And George Washington, at the end of his farewell address, he says, it's really sitting on two
pillars. It's morality and religion or Christianity, specifically. Without these two, you know,
our republic won't stand. The democracy that we have, the country we have, the Constitution we have
was designed only for a moral people that had virtue. But now you see the godlessness in our
country and it's our demise because people were to be ruled and governed by virtue, self-governed.
And now that they're told they came from apes and it doesn't matter, there's no consequences and hate
America like all of these Ivy League schools do. It's really Satanism that's come into communism.
It's come into all of our Ivy League schools for a long, long time. It's a rot in our country.
And then also now in all the seminaries, you know, seminaries, they're all turning away from
believing that the Bible is an inspired word of God. So you have that going on
in this division all over the place because we should have a governor who at least fears and
respects the Supreme Court, but we don't. We have a man who's just completely out of control,
out of his mind and probably on medication, you know, kind of like our president right now.
And we have election, it's got tons of issues. You know, I personally think that
Governor Newsom probably did not win the election because the Dominion voting machines,
a lot of these other ballots, I got seven ballots in my name to my house. So no question in my mind
that we have serious election issues and that elections have results and stolen elections,
I think, is what we've actually had have severe results. So these are not the will of the people.
The majority of America does not want what's going on right now. And same thing, I think,
in Great Britain, majority people there do not like or want what Charles is doing. You know,
I was there in October. He walked, Prince Charles waved at me in his car and I did not wave back.
I said, you know, the Lord convicted me. I've been praying for him since then, but
I don't know if you noticed when there was a ceremony when Charles was kind of installed as,
I don't know the exact wording, but there was some kind of ceremony where all the British
prime ministers who were still alive were present and all the other members of the British
establishment. And he had to sign twice. He had to sign, put his signatures on a book, you know,
or whatever it was, and a document. And there were a load of pens there. And in Charles's view,
there should only have been one pen. So he kind of very, in a very irritable manner,
maybe he had a hard day, I don't know, but he was being filmed live and it was being sent all over
the world, you know, and he said to his servant, he didn't say anything. Well, I think he did
actually say, I can't remember what he said, but he was very irritated and was flicking his fingers
like this, get these pens out of the way to his servant. The servant did what he, outrageous.
And, you know, he clearly- Anyway, come on, we're way over time.
He couldn't see himself. So I wanted to ask you, you mentioned Robert Kennedy, you met him,
you said, he's running for president, I've heard, is that right? And if he is,
how do you think he will be as the United States president?
Well, if his dad or uncle were running today, they'd be more conservative than Trump in some
ways. So I mean, I like Robert Kennedy Jr. You know, I think he would be a good president.
Would I vote for him? I don't know. I mean, I don't know where he is, but the Democratic
Party in our country has really gone so far away from whatever was. They've become really evil.
I mean, everything you stand for is just anti-Christianity, it's anti-America. So
yeah, he would be a good just to run, if anything else, just to show how the compromises and
elections have gone. But I doubt he'll make it. I doubt with the way the deep state is nowadays,
I don't think we're going to ever have a conservative or someone. And I would actually
say Robert Kennedy Jr. is conservative, even though his family runs a Democratic Party.
But he told me that, you know, he doesn't, I don't think he agrees with all the things
at all today. But I, it's a good question. But with the history of that family,
Steven, we're stopping. Mike, can you please say a prayer for those here? But also remember that a
lot of people will watch this recording. So you're covering those of us who are here and those who
are watching the recording. So you want me to close in prayer? Is that what you said?
Yes, please. Oh, I'd love to. I'd love to. Lord, I just thank you for all those that are listening,
Lord, those that you love. Lord, you love each and every one. Lord, you know, as you say in your word,
how many hairs are on our head. You know, when we sit down, when we rise up, like David wrote in
Psalm 139, you know, our thoughts are far off. Lord, you love us and you're not willing that any
should perish. And I just pray, Lord, for those listening that do not know you to be who you are,
Lord, Lord and Savior that you want to save, that they would open up their hearts to you.
Just like that thief on the cross that said, Lord, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Lord,
thank you for your forgiveness because of what you did on the cross for your blood that was
shed for us. Thank you, Lord, for the authority and the power, Lord, that fear of death that you
came to remove. And I pray that you would touch each and every heart that's listening,
that you would show yourself strong in their lives individually. Lord, thank you for just who you are.
You're so gracious and loving, Lord, as you show us in your word that you're humble and that you're
longing for us, Lord, just to turn to you and to have that relationship that brings salvation,
to be born again of your spirit. So I pray, Lord, that you would just raise up not just the
more freedom fighters, but Lord, those that would stand for you in these last days that would
present truth in the way that you have given it to us in your word, that you tell us that you're the
way truth in life. And I thank you, Lord, for all these that are doing their work, lawyers and doctors
and just servants that want to expose what's wicked and awful in this world. And I pray,
God, that you'd be glorified and that you would do that work, Lord, in each one of our hearts
and that you would show yourself strong on our behalf. And I do pray that you'd continue to
expose the works of darkness and that, Lord, you'd push back all these things, Lord, these
vaccines that we know are just not helping anybody, but actually causing all kinds of problems. And I
pray, Lord, even in this group, that there would just be a cure for all the damages that it's
caused. And I thank you, God, for their faithful work. Bless them, go before us. And I pray all
this in the wonderful name of Jesus. Amen. Amen. Thank you very much, Mike. Thank you.
Thank you, everybody, for being here. Thank you, Stephen, for organizing and put final chats in
there and the meeting will now end and you can go to the Tom Rodman. You can go to the Tom Rodman
group. The link is there on the chat for those who have the time. Mike McClure, well done. We're out
here supporting you and honour your courage and we need more of you. So may your prayer be
effective on all of us. Thank you. Thank you. God bless you, Charles. Thank you for speaking to us.
God bless all. Thank you. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, Stephen. Thank you, Shasta. Thank you, Mike.
Thank you all. God bless you.