Hello, welcome everybody. I'm Charles Coves, this is Stephen Frost's group, Medical Doctors
for COVID Ethics. We've got Daniel for one hour. This meeting goes for two and a half hours, so
you can have conversation after Daniel leaves us. He's got other obligations.
There are lots of professions here. Daniel has spoken to us before wonderfully. I've listened to
the recording of that again. Lots of professions here. There are doctors, there are lawyers,
there are journalists, there are scientists, there are patent experts, there are dentists,
there are investors. So we're here in the spirit of exploration and discovery. After the two and
a half hours, there's a telegram group, less structured. This is a structured conversation,
moderated. It's free speech, no censorship, no wokeness, no identity politics, no political
correctness. We understand and committed to the development of science. I quote the writer Michael
Crichton's quote, he says, when someone tells you the science is settled, reach for your wallet.
So there you are, the science is settled. We come from love, not fear, and have an open mind.
Daniel Estulin, you read his CV. He's a superstar globally, great thinker. Daniel, thank you again
for being with us, Stephen. Well done for organizing, Daniel, because he is so busy.
Stephen, is there anything you want to say? We'll go straight to Daniel.
Daniel, what you're thinking of talking to us about is exactly what this group needs to hear,
because even within this group, many think it's just about the medicine and the data,
and clearly it's not. So if you can help us to increase our understanding, that would be hugely
valuable. Yeah, it's not about medicine. I mean, medicine is the after effect. As you asked me
yesterday or the day before yesterday to attend to my resume, my curriculum, I sent you a very
brief version of it. I've written many books. I'm a university professor. I'm a doctor of
political science, but mostly what I do is I work with presidents. It doesn't matter which countries
in Latin America, it's irrelevant, but I work with three presidents in Latin America as their
senior foreign policy advisor. So I know what's going on at a level which goes
beyond what most people understand or need us to say here in the mainstream media.
So that said, I think let's start. So the question that most people ask all the time,
of me and of others, what's really going on? And in reference to the Ukraine area of operations,
I was asked this question back in February, and with the latest mobilization announced by Putin
the other day, I think it's time maybe to answer that question. So actually the actual question I
was asked was, why is this conflict called special military operation, not a war? But in fact,
the question itself was poorly formulated. So if we formulate it correctly, it would be something
like this. Why did Russia start the special military operation and not a war? Okay, Sun Tzu
in his theory of war talks about several key elements when dealing with an enemy. If we want
to achieve success against our enemy or against our opponent, one of them is to destroy the enemy's
plans. And the next element is to destroy the alliances of the enemy. So destroy your enemy's
plans slash intentions. So what are these the intentions and who is the adversary?
But the problem is that in Russia, they can't really answer this question either.
You have 50 countries lined up against Russia. So the first thing we would need to do is to find
out who the real enemy is, because the others, they are the allies of the enemy. And victories
achieved against the enemy. So we're looking at the Syuanian, Moldova, Latvia, Poland, etc.
They're not the enemies. Okay, they're the associates, the lab dogs, the poodles, whatever
you want to call them. But who is the real enemy? So until you have defeated the enemy, you will not
achieve the victory over that enemy. And so therefore, to understand that we have to go back
to the year 2013 to evaluate the events that occurred that year and explain how they're related
to today's events. So in 2013, Ukraine was a very dynamic country. Ukraine had no need to become a
part of the European Union, nor become a part of the Eurasian Union. Why? Because it received on the
one hand cheap energy resources from Russia. And on the other hand, access to this huge European
market as well as cheap loans from European banking institutions. That's an ideal position.
You don't need to do anything. Just count your money and be happy. What happened next? Yanukovych
was the president of Ukraine at the time. He arrives in Vilnius, that's the capital of Lithuania,
to attend a meeting with European leaders. And Angela Merkel, she told him that he should
sign an association agreement with the European Union. He said no. And then the European leaders
told them, why are you being like this? We're really counted on you go and schooled everything
up. Okay, who said that? The German Chancellor. Why did Germany need Ukraine's accession to Europe?
Germany has obvious interests because Germany historically, as always, throughout her existence
for hundreds of years, has dedicated itself to a simple thing, expand her influence, expand her
economy, and expand her power. And so throughout these hundreds of years, with the obvious ups
and downs. So what did Germany get? What happened after? Oh, by the way, another thing that happened
when Yanukovych was forced to sign this document, and Merkel herself, she became the guarantor of the
paper Yanukovych signed. And as soon as that was done, the next day, the Ukrainian coup was underway.
Now, the phrase coup d'etat is not really a correct way of expressing it either. It's not a coup,
it's an occupation. The European Union has occupied Ukraine, and it established a public
government in Kiev. And what happened next was never in the interests of Ukraine, a nation state,
I repeat, the interests of Ukraine are to simultaneously receive on the one hand,
Russian cheap energy, and on the other, access to a market of 500 million people and very cheap loans,
0.1% from the European community. You don't need to do anything other than that.
And so Yanukovych is ousted and Parashenko is appointed president by European community.
Again, this is somebody not elected but appointed by the European Commission to become the
president of Ukraine, a supposedly independent country. So what does this president
designate Parashenko to do? Well, he occupied Ukraine, that's the great word, except several
regions of Ukraine take an exception to this occupation and begin to resist. Now, what
happened after? What happened in 2019? What happened in 2020? What happened in 2021?
A coalition begins to form. Germany begins to form a coalition against Russia.
And this is the true essence of Germany, dragnahost. And this has been repeated for centuries.
Germany receives human resources, natural resources, mineral wealth, food resources,
and markets. And it's their natural desire to expand, not now, always. Okay, let's go back a
little bit further. 2014. In 2014, Putin arrives in Austria and meets with the Austrian Chamber of
Commerce and Industry. Now, one of the participants in the middle of the act asks to speak, goes up on
stage, grabs the microphone and says openly, literally looking at Putin. Ukraine used to be
a part of Austria, he said in German. And Putin, he speaks German fluently. He translates it out loud,
laughing, making a joke of it. I want you to understand what this Austrian guest said to Putin
was no joke. For hundreds of years, they have considered it their land. And so the Germans,
they're putting together this anti-Russia coalition that goes back way back to 2014 to Maidan,
etc. And they understand that the war is absolutely unavoidable. The Germans have vote the government,
the deep state behind these people. And so this coalition is coupled together from the Poles.
First of all, then the Austro-Hungary, former empire, Great Britain and the United States. Now,
to understand what is happening, you have to understand the interests of each of these players
involved. So what are the interests of the Poles? Well, restitution of land and also real estate
located on the territory of Ukraine. In other words, as soon as Ukraine joins the European Union,
it will be forced to sign the restitution agreement. Therefore, the Polish aristocracy
will recover its lands, its properties, if you belong to them from hundreds of years ago.
The older aristocracy, it's not all but simply divided. It's Austria-Hungary, it's Slovakia.
This is also their historical lands. And so they will also want to receive what they feel is rightfully
theirs. Then comes the interests of the United Kingdom. So what are their interests? What is
England interested in? Well, Churchill said at best, Britain may have different allies,
but our interests do not change. So what are these interests? Bankrupt Germany. And so Germany wants
a war. Britain's philosophy is to help Germany destroy itself. Look at World War II. Now, what
about the interests of the United States? Well, that's easy. The interests of the United States
is that the more garbage there is in Europe, the more disorder, the more chaos, the more Washington
is interested in helping Europe destroy itself. They can test new weapons. They can test the level
of America's armed forces preparedness for an eventual all-out war with Russia, which they
absolutely understand will happen, that will supply Europe with food, with energy resources,
in exchange for very favorable economic benefits. In other words, save America the expense of Europe.
What do you think Marshall Plan was all about? What do you think it was about? Helping Europe in the
post-World War? That the United States of America was doing it out of the goodness of their heart?
Let me briefly tell you about the Marshall Plan so you understand the cunningness and
efficaciousness of the United States of America's actions in the Ukrainian theater of operations
with respect to its own allies. The Marshall Plan, as everyone knows, is so named for the
speech on June 5th, 1947 by former general and then US Secretary of State George Marshall at
Harvard University. Now, Marshall proposed a solution to the disintegrating economic and
social conditions that faced Europe in the aftermath of World War II. And so under the program,
at least that's the public part of the United States, would provide aid to prevent starvation
in the major war areas, repair the devastation of those areas as quickly as possible, and invite
European countries to join in this cooperative plan for economic reconstruction. Now, what is less
generally acknowledged is that the plan came with strings attached. America made absolutely explicit
requirements for trade liberalization and also increases in productivity, thus ensuring what
the Americanization of Europe as European political and economic elites became wedded to
the American counterparts. And that's been the case ever since. And so this unprecedented exercise
of international generosity, done by Churchill, by the way, the most sordid act in history,
served direct economic purpose for the internationally oriented US corporations,
which needless to say promoted it. Now, what was Churchill referring to? Well, specifically,
the CIA was tapping into this $200 million a year in local currency counterpart funds
contributed by the recipients of Marshall Plan A. In other words, these un-vouchered monies
were being used by the CIA to finance all kinds of anti-communist activities. On the one hand,
in France and Italy, support sympathetic journalists, labor union leaders, politicians.
In other words, lock them up in this mutual relationship of win-win as far as the United
States was concerned. And those, again, who think that the Ukrainian operation was a last-minute
affair, a slapdash effort by the United States government to save Ukrainian democracy for
Putin's dictatorship, you have to understand that these kinds of operations, they take years of
secret planning. And Kishinpoyt is the Marshall Plan. Do you think it was decided at the end of
World War II? No. The origins of the Marshall Plan, in fact, to be found in the paper signed,
written, prepared, produced by the Council of Foreign Relations in 1939. That was prior to
World War II. Okay. So again, the idea is of the main idea of the Marshall Plan, which was prepared
by the State Department of the Council of Foreign Relations, which is the brother organization to
the Bilderberg Group beginning in 1939, explicitly detail the role of the United States as an
encroaching force and also replacement for the British Empire. And so the movement to form this
united Europe was a part of a much larger plan to form what today is known as the World Government.
For example, Carol Quigley is a professor of history at the Foreign Service School at
Georgetown University, also one of the mentors to Bill Clinton. He traced the evolution of the
establishment, aka New World Order in the 21st century in his wonderful book called Tragic and
Hope. Noting that, and I quote, the integration of Western Europe began in 1948 through the Marshall
Plan. And then we have the Hay Congress, the creation of the Schumann Plan in the 1950s,
all kinds of other, you know, the European atomic energy community, the common market, etc.
And so again, hidden by this general Marshall and the Council of Foreign Relations crowd was the
fact that this European coal and steel community was the first concrete step towards this political
unification, the first block, let's say of the Empire building. And the Empire building, needless
to say, one world government. And then with the signing of the Treaty of Rome, it kind of paved
the way for the European economic community in 57. The next step towards a future world government
was taken. And then finally we have the Treaty of Rome came into effect on January 1st, 1958.
And there you have it. And today is where we are today. Okay, so let's go back to Ukraine.
So what was the West's idea of this project Ukraine? Well, the idea was this Ukraine suddenly
attacks Crimea, the same countries that today back Ukraine also support Ukraine back in 2014.
And simultaneously the West activates the resistance of the so-called fifth column inside
Russia. We have already seen this, you know, the coming out protests, firstly beginning and
of the military operation in February and then, you know, now with the white flag and blue stripe
in the middle. Okay. And as a former NATO general said very, very recently, this operation, in other
words, what we're seeing right now, goes back many, many years. Of course it does. Okay, now another,
imagine a different scene, Moscow Institute of Tolerance, which is 100% Soros Open Society
funded organization, not only Soros, but many other institutes for that matter, Western,
these fifth column traitors, you know, they like to hide behind their Jewishness and play victims
of anti-Semitism. But I don't think that the Jews would agree with the ideas that they're discussing
in the center of tolerance towards Russian culture and Russia as a civilization. So in this institute,
a conference was held headed by a certain by the individual by the name of Goswin,
and which was stated that Russia cannot retain the space it occupies and we have to retreat
spatially and now we have to decide here in this institute funded by Soros, you know, amongst
ourselves if Russia retreats to the Volga River or to the Ural Mountains, basically handing over
half of the country to foreign interests. Another thing, why did Russia start the special military
operation in another war? To, again, to disrupt the plans of your enemy, okay, an enemy which
is wanted in a loud war, so you didn't want to know that, well you wanted a special military
operation because the rules of engagement are different. So everything was ready for Russia to
start a war and the collective West was pushing her into a war, a war they would enter as NATO
alliance. But Putin instead starting a special military operation and thwarted their plan.
Next point according to Sun Tse, you need to break your enemy's alliances. So if you kind of look at
the enemy itself, what would be one of the most sensitive points of the alliance? Well, that's the
Vatican. And when I say the Vatican, you must understand we're talking about the European
aristocracy. We're talking about the fourth Reich of Roman Empire of Germanic nations.
When we talk about the Vatican, people don't understand that, you know, what this institution
itself stands for today other than some foggy relationship with God. I'm not talking about
priests, I'm not talking about the pope, much less, you know, frivolities over the past centuries.
The Vatican has the very best intelligence service in the world. It's called Unions Santo. The best
and the oldest, the oldest, number one, not KGB, not Mossad, not MI6, not the CIA or NSA.
No one remotely comes close to the capacity of the Vatican to spy. For example, the confessionals in
the church around the world, what do you think they are? To box a booth in which the priest sits
to hear the confessions of penitents, do you really think that what was spoken there remains
between the priest and God? Is that what you think? And speaking of the Vatican, we're talking about,
again, the intelligence structure, but also about the hierarchy of power. We're talking about
taxation, we're talking about money, we're talking about influence. What taxes you may ask, the Vatican
is a microstate. Does anyone really think that the Vatican is a microstate that has absolutely no
power at all? The Vatican collects monies from the entire Latin American continent. 10% of everything,
absolutely everything in Latin America goes to the Vatican. And then the Vatican invests this money,
these billions of dollars through some of the world's largest and most powerful, most corrupt
banking institutions. And again, I've explained it many times in my conferences, in my webinars
and interviews, the link between the Vatican and international drug trade. A few years ago,
the Vatican created an institute in Italy where it prepares or trains whatever word you want to use,
future politicians all over Europe, including the famous Nazi battalion Azov, which you might have
heard of in Ukraine. The Vatican financed it. And that's why when we see images of this clown
president Zelensky's arrival at some of these advanced positions of the Azov battalion back
in March and April. And so Zelensky, you know, the camera is rolling and Zelensky is talking to,
you know, to the head of Azov and the other guy doesn't even listen to him. He yawns and picks
his nose and listens with contempt and looks the other day. Wait, why? Why are you saying, like,
why are you, Zelensky, you're a clown, current president? You're not paying me. The Vatican is
paying me. So why should I be listening to you? Why was Azov entrenched in Mario Alfonso for so long?
For the love of the country of Zelensky, the name of Nazi ideals? No, because the Vatican was paying
them and their families. And again, when I say the Vatican, I'm not talking about the pope writing
checks. I'm talking about the aristocracy that works through the Vatican institutions. And in
the face, again, one of today's global projects called Greater Europe. Okay, now point of contention,
the Poles. We know that the Poles on their territory prepared and financed and continued
preparing the Ukrainian military and their training camp. So entry point, okay, after they
train the Ukrainian militants is the city of Lvov in Western Ukraine. It is the most fanatical,
nationalistic part of the country. So on the one side, we have the Poles and their aristocracy.
And on the other side, we have the Vatican. And so the Poles are saying, well, this is mine.
Because to them, that entire area, which is now Ukraine, Lvov, is theirs historically. And the
Vatican is saying, no, no, it's mine. And the Poles are saying, well, we have, you know, certain
historical documents to prove that Lvov is ours. And the Vatican is saying, we also have historical
documents to prove that it's ours. And so when Putin put pressure on this flashpoint,
the Pope immediately asked for an audience in the Kremlin. So why so much fear of Russia by the
Vatican? Because Russia represents the most delicate external risk for the European continent
since Russia plans to take Eastern Europe for itself. And at the same time, Russia has preserved
more robust, let's say, imperial and conservative traditions than the people of the new center. And
so part of this conservative strategy, a section of the European elite linked to the Vatican,
will have a separate line. In other words, Moscow will have to become a new Constantinople. And
right-wing conservative Russian circles will actively contribute to this. So we have, okay,
this is the situation today. But for Russia, this particular scenario represents a strategic
loss because the Byzantine trap, in other words, the rejection of development, etc., etc.
And so the revived Austro-Hungarian empire is very attractive to Russia as one of the regions of this
new Eurasian state. And because it doesn't come with any burden derived from the ruins of Western
Europe, what to become ruins of Western Europe, all the elites and wealth of the Vatican itself.
Put another way, Russia's revival should come at the expense of Europe's future and not vice versa.
Now, will they have time to implement it? After all, the interval between the present
and the beginning of this new dark age is extremely short. And the level of passionality and energy
among European nations or peoples is too low. And so the most important thing is not to repeat
the fate of Byzantium. And there's one more thing that we should take into account,
the hidden confrontation between the Vatican, which is Christianity, and also,
in turn, which is financial international. That's Judaism slash global network of financial oligarchy
with its most important nodes in New York, London, and Alcon. And that's the main contradiction
of the entire Mediterranean biblical civilization of the period of the past 2000 years. In other
words, it is a struggle to determine the title of the shepherd who receives the edict of having to
shepherd the nations of the world as one flock and who during the period of globalization,
according to the natural course of things, it brings together many to one, or as you can read
on the one dollar US bill, a plus libus uno. Okay, let's get back to the Pope. In Moscow,
Pope Francis was not given an audience. So the Pope out of desperation went to Kazakhstan to meet
Putin. What's Vatican's message? We must talk to Putin. We're ready to accept any condition
as long as the revolve is not returned to the polls after Russia conquers Ukraine. And so
at a conceptual level, what I'm explaining is the destruction of alliances. So this is on the one
hand. On the other hand, the alliance of the European Union. I want to remind you that when
Poroshenko acquiesced to the alliance with the European Union, he was literally given a standing
ovation in the German Buddhist talk. Because for the Germans, it was a triumph, it was a victory.
Because according to them, Russia economically, when pushed, okay, it would fall like a house of
cards. Except that today Germany realized that in general terms, they're not capable of enduring
this war economically, politically, and much less socially. Germany has two months of gas left,
October, November. What will happen in December and January and February, March, and even in April
of 2023. And so what we're witnessing right now is the destruction of the economy. It's complete
and utter collapse. Okay, normal people are going to freeze. That's life. And we don't care about
normal people. But the economy can survive without energy either. Because the world is global, the
markets are global. If I can produce something cheaper in China, why would I buy it from Germany
when it's going to cost me a lot of money to make it? And so any production of whatever,
the common denominator is gas because it is the energy that you need to produce something. And gas
comes from Russia. And that's why the European leaders, they are beginning to understand. And
so if you remember, Macron, Scholes, Draghi, they jump on the train and they go to Kiev. You
remember that famous photo? The three of them train compartment. And they convinced Zelensky
he had no choice but to negotiate with Putin. And then what happens after Boris Johnson comes to Kiev
and scuttles the pre-arranged peace talks. And that's when, you know, there was already a
deal between various factions in Istanbul. Almost everything was worked out. Again,
Boris Johnson arrives and again. Okay. So Johnson twice ruined the negotiations and
agreements between Europe and Ukraine regarding the outcome and also territorial integrity with
Russia. And for this reason, the part of the elite, okay, did everything in their power
to eliminate Boris Johnson as prime minister of the United Kingdom. In other words, Putin
was able to destroy two alliances, Great Britain and the European Union. Now,
European leaders understood that Great Britain is playing against them. Now, what will happen next?
When will the special military operation end? There will be a war. Okay, you've heard me right.
I'm going to repeat. When the special military operation ends, it will give start to the war.
We are witnessing today is not a war. We are on the verge of a war. Yes, they're shooting.
They're killing people. There is violence, but it's not a war. Not yet. It may be a cold war,
maybe a hot war, maybe a trade war. It may be not even on the territory of Ukraine. For example,
transferring the conflict to the territory of the Atlantic Ocean. For example, suddenly,
okay, the oil tanker, any oil tanker that transports gas explodes. The cause, well,
the typical excuse. We've seen this before. Somebody without taking the necessary precautions,
lit a cigarette and boom. Okay. Okay. In other words, we have a war at sea that can become
an absolute reality, not with warships between nations. In addition, it's a very ecological war,
if you really think about it. If the oil tanker catches fire, you'll have an oil spill,
ecological disaster, it has to be cleaned up, et cetera, et cetera. But with gas, nothing will
happen. It will explode and then sink to the bottom of the sea. And so everyone's question is,
when does the war end? Answer, it will end when the future post-war reorganization of what the
world will look like is negotiated. In other words, until they come to the table to agree
on the future structure of the world, there will be no end to hostilities.
Now, what's the air of the Russian diplomats, European diplomats, American diplomats, political
scientists, et cetera, et cetera. Let me ask you another question. Do you remember the League of
Nations? Well, what kind of a discussion or negotiation could there have been with the
League of Nations during the First World War? It existed at the time, yes, but no one would have
thought of putting themselves in the hands of the League of Nations to solve World War I issues.
Because these issues are negotiated between the elites at the table of power where the
representatives of the most powerful clans in history sit, meet, and discuss. I'm not talking
about Biden. I'm not talking about Johnson. I'm not talking about Schwab. I'm not talking about
Macron. I'm not talking about the United Nations. You have to understand that the United Nations,
as a tool, can no longer be a tool. And the model of the future of the world that Russia or
Russia will negotiate together with China and Iran and Turkey and India, and that also the vital
importance of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, in other words, if these countries
can offer their vision of the world and the Atlantic countries can accept it, then the war
will end, not before. Okay, so that's one. All right, let's add another piece of the puzzle.
Russia, China, and the Vatican, you probably do agree that these are very strange travel companions.
If we go back to mid-September, by the week and a half ago, okay, the working agendas of the three
world leaders converged in Central Africa and the convergence of these three vectors at once at the
same place and time is a unique event and in no way can be construed as a coincidence.
Coincidences do not exist in the world of depolitics. You have well-done and badly
executed operations. Everything else is a conspiracy theory. And so, officially we have
Putin, Xi Jinping, and Pope Francis. They did not see each other. They did not meet. But recently,
again, we have enough facts that have come to light, the sum of which can speak of conjecture
not suitable, let's say, for the general public. And so, despite problems with his knee and a
wheelchair, Pope Francis, he flies to Kazakhstan for the first time for this seventh Congress of
Leaders of World and Traditional Religions. This is a third-class Congress, okay, that does not
fit in any way with the stature of Pope Francis. Okay, now I remind you that a week before that,
the Pope himself made an announcement publicly that he was forbidden by his doctors to make
that trip and yet extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. And then we have Xi Jinping
and comrade Xi leaves China for the first time in over two years to meet with Putin,
okay, and the Shanghai Cooperation leaders in Uzbekistan with a stopover in Kazakhstan.
And then we also have at the same time the Economic Forum and Vladivostok. That's way on
the other side of Russia, which ended on the day of the official announcement of Queen Elizabeth's
death, which, you know, would have been a clever false start. And in summer, China and Russia
announced their readiness to lead this global transition to a new format and a new future.
And the later Pope Francis, who back in the spring described the reason for the war in Ukraine,
as he said, NATO barking at the door of Russia and in the sky over Kazakhstan,
he declared that the West went the wrong way and calls the largest cemetery of humanity.
And so in March 2022, the Holy See took a demonstrative step spending 10 million euros
buying rubles in Russia because, as they said, of the threat of sanctions. And then in June,
the new apostolic constitution entered into force in the Vatican, which provides in particular
for the consolidation of all controlled finance in the hands of this newly created
investment committee. Okay. And at the same time, again, the reach of Pope Francis,
the influence of the Vatican extends not only over emphatically anti-Russia Poland or visibly
pro-Russian Hungary. I want to remind you that the other day, the representative of Hungary at the
United Nations General Assembly, he gave his speech in Russian. I don't know if you saw that.
There's no reason to do that. They speak Magyar. There's no reason for him to speak Russian. They
all speak Russian. Okay. But he gave his speech in Russian instead of his own language. And so
the Vatican's influence extends also over half of the rest of Europe and also vast expanses of
the Americans, central and south, and also North America, speaking of 135 millions from Mexico.
Okay. And also we can talk about huge parts of Ukraine, which is a geopolitical project of the
Vatican itself. And again, go back to what I said about financing the Azov battalion.
And this geopolitical project, which is Ukraine, the Anglo-Saxons are now trying to wiggle in the
same way as they did in Vietnam. And instead of some kind of a truce on the occasion of the death
of Queen Elizabeth II, the Anglo-Saxon controlled Ukranian, staged a what? A general offensive near
Kharkov. These are not coincidences. Okay. So all this doesn't mean that Russia and China and the
Vatican are ready to join forces, come up with a common strategy to rebalance the world after
Johnson led it to a dead end. So Russia and China and the Vatican, these are three global projects.
Russia is the great Eurasian global project, China is Datun, and Vatican is the great Europe. But it
is even less credible that the leaders of the planet's three key states, Russia, China, and the
Vatican, they're players who almost never travel abroad, all accidentally
ended up at the same time and in the same place. And that's what they would say in Rome,
sapienti sat. Okay, let's talk about something else. Another piece of the puzzle is the mobilization
of the Vatican itself. Look what they're doing. At the end of 2020, the Vatican together the families
of Judaic project sided with the Fin and Turn and transnational corporations in the internal
political conflict in the United States, which allowed Joe Biden to win to steal to become
president of the United States. Okay. Because again, as I explained in my book on Donald Trump
called the in the shadows of a presidency, which I published in 2017, it was thanks to Vatican's
influence that Trump won the election in the United States because all the parishes in America
were told by the Vatican to tell their congregations to vote Trump. Because again,
you have to understand what's Trump. Trump, is Trump an American? Was he an American president?
No. Do you imagine you have a table and you have Putin sitting there and there's his name tag,
Vladimir Putin, Russia. You have Xi Jinping and other name tags as China. Modi says India and says
Donald Trump's of the United States. It doesn't represent the United States because again,
if we're talking about America, what America are we talking about? Because America is not a
homogenous country. You have two Americas, a country at war with itself. You have the liberal
banking financier America. In the face of that was Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, et cetera,
and Joe Biden and all these people. And you have the other America. So these are the liberal banking
financiers. Then you have the other America, which is an alternative project. And Trump was
the face of that project. Trump is a nothing. Biden is a nothing. These people are nothing.
They're the face of a global project. Presidents of the United States or any other country have
no power whatsoever. And so Donald Trump was a representative of an alternative project.
Okay. Not banking financiers, but industrialists, nationalists, isolationists.
Okay. Trump represented the great European project because again, he is half Scottish
Irish and the other half German. And for most people, but we don't have no idea where ancestors
come from, you know, maybe our grandmother. But if you go 10 generations, people don't know,
but the elite, they know who they are. Or don't you think that the Queen Elizabeth and the entire
family, they don't know where they come from. And so the elite understand who they are and where
they come from. So Donald Trump was the face of greater European project, which is blood
and soil landed European aristocracy. Okay. And the idea was to change the future. In other words,
to save America at the expense of global liberal banking financiers. Trump wasn't able to do that.
So in 2020, the Vatican project together with a Judaic project, that's New Jerusalem in London,
that's not Israel. Okay. They backed Joe Biden. It doesn't matter if he wants to, it makes no
difference. And so throughout the 2021, Rome's politics, the Vatican in other words, have
followed in the wake of this globalist and right liberal endeavor, inclusive capitalism,
political ecology, fighting against global warming, compulsory medicine, what else, vaccines,
QR codes, et cetera, et cetera, all kinds of other fascinating stuff. And then something happened.
And at the beginning of 2022, the Vatican's policy had undergone this visible change.
And the absence beginning in February, on 24, 2022, when the Russian began their special military
operation against Ukraine, okay, total absence of this unequivocal hysterical and repeated condemnation
of Russia's actions on the territory of Ukraine. But I think I never said a word. And attempts to
pressure the Vatican by the British elite and also by the American intelligence agencies
did not give the desire. And so the Pope moved further and further away from the general Western
line. And so during his visit to Kazakhstan, the expression, which no one would have thought
Pope was able to actually utter, multipolar world was heard more than once from the Pope.
And simultaneously, the Vatican launched the processes of this internal mobilization and
concentration of resources. Look at some of their moves over the past month, month and a half.
Again, by the end of September, 2022, all Vatican structures must transfer
financial assets, their securities, et cetera, to the Vatican bank or as it's officially known,
the Institute of Religious Affairs. Then we have the Opus Dei order, which has penetrated deeply into
the system of power and control most of Latin America. Suddenly, they are deprived of autonomy
and also transferred to the direct control of the Vatican. And then finally, after five years of
debates and struggles, the general leadership of the Order of Malta was dissolved. We're talking
about 13,500 members. We're talking about 52,000 medical workers. We're talking about 95,000
volunteers, et cetera. And then not to mention the laws were changed as far as, for example,
the requirements of mobility for high ranks within the organization, lifetime occupation of the past,
you know, post of master, et cetera, et cetera. And so we are, we are, we are, we are,
given the impression that the Vatican remembered that it represents, coordinates, and consolidates
this old European conservative elite of the continental right, which is, you could easily
say, blood and soil. Okay, this is the landed aristocracy of Europe. And so in the context of a
disintegrating globalization, okay, the Vatican will try to implement its own strategy to survive
and not be buried under the rubble of a Europe that has lost its psycho-historical purpose.
Europe is not a subject anymore. It's nothing. And yes, for Russia, the main strategic issue
regarding the Vatican, the dissolution of the Greek Catholic Union, so some sort of Galicians,
that's the Ukrainian region, Galicia, become kind of a, a sub-ethnic group of Catholic popes.
And also the other part will go back to be Russian Orthodox, the other part of Ukraine. Otherwise,
it's impossible to kill this psycho-historical position that is spawned on the European continent
today. And so just to summarize what I said, what we're seeing right now in a conceptual level
is not a fight between Russia and Ukraine. It's a very different project at hand. What we're
looking at is a survival and redefinition of the post-world order, post-crisis, post-biblical
collapse, which we're about to see, unfortunately. Okay, and so these are the things being played
out right now in the Ukrainian theater of operations. But again, what we're seeing is
not a war. The war will soon start. And the mobilization that we're seeing right now is
the escalation in the direction of the war. And until the global elite, these global projects
don't sit down at this metaphorical, you know, global historical power table to discuss
what the future of the world will look like, this conflict is not going to end. And again,
I'm not talking about presidents of countries. And that's again, it's also the fact that Queen
Elizabeth died at this moment. Okay, I'm not talking about some kind of a conspiracy that
she was killed. No, I'm just talking about this was an unfortunate time for her to die, because
she would have played an important role as one of the important players when they sit at this global
table of power to discuss what this future world will look like. So on that, Ayan, thanks again
for being with us and for joining us and for giving me a chance to speak to you.
Daniel, everybody round of applause who you can see. Thank you, Daniel, for that tour de force
that somebody put in the chat. You know, there's a fire hose of information, your big picture look,
a global table. What was that line sitting at a global table of?
It's a global table of power. Because again, if you look historically, one of the reasons
and this isn't the time to talk about this, but one of the one of the reasons that the Russian
royal family, the czar Nicholas the second and his entire family were killed, because the Russian
czars historically has occupied a very important prominent position at this global table of power,
not through the through the Roman arms, which is a German dynasty, but through the rubrics,
which is the they ruled Russia for 21 generations. And in the West, you know, one of the rubrics is
Ivan the Terrible, which is a name given to him by the British, needless to say, but he was not a
terrible he was he was a probably the most important Russian czar in history. And so the rubrics who
ruled Russia for 21 generations, they had a historical seat of power, this metaphorical
global historical table, and the Queen of England, needless to say as well, and she died.
And the problem right now is to find the people, okay, to sit down at this power table and to
discuss what this future will look like. And the problem, the the main problem right now for most
players is that economically, there we don't have a language to explain what's going on my language,
I don't mean English or, or French or German or Russian or Chinese. I'm talking about the language
of economics. There's no language to explain that no one can explain in the West, or answer a very
simple question, ladies and gentlemen, what the hell is going on, they can't explain, they can't
answer that question. They don't know because their language is based on a model which today is on its
deathbed. Okay, and I explained it, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, the last time when I said
you had two economic models, the Western capitalist between the end of World War II in 1991, and Soviet
socialist. And both of these models were based on different sets of values. The West was based on
cornerstones, freedom of speech, private property, and the Soviet Union satellites, it had common
good. And these two models coexisted, and each was based on different values, each had its own
language. And then in 1991, these two models merged into one, and they merged into one not because the
Soviet Union and its model wasn't working. In fact, in 1991, the country was growing 11% per year.
What you didn't have in the Soviet Union is private property, in other words, a bureaucrat, which in
most cases, had more power than any president in the United States. Okay, he couldn't after dying,
leave something for his children from everything he was able to steal, because everything belonged
to everybody. So in order to have something you could give to your descendants, you needed to
dismantle the country from within. I mean, you couldn't destroy a Soviet Union from without,
when the country had a five million standing army, and more nuclear weapons than the entire collection
of all the other countries in the world. You could only destroy it from within. And so that was done,
that's one of the reasons why I have so many billionaires and oligarchs in Russia, because they
stole everything we watched and attached to the floor. So the idea is that these two models became
one global liberal banking financier model, and the West, because again, capitalist model is a very
dynamic model, the West controlled between the end of World War II in 1991, 60% of global economy,
and the Soviet Union satellites 40%. But between 1991 and 2007, the West expanded into Soviet space,
and in 17 years conquered 40% of the global markets and filled it with stuff, because it's
a very dynamic model. But in 2008, they call it the Lehman Brothers Collapse, the subprime crisis.
It wasn't that, it was just the beginning of the end. So we have a metaphorical patient
who went to a hospital with a sore throat, and 14 years later, that patient is on his deathbed,
it's just a matter of time, be it two weeks, two months, three months, it doesn't matter.
Okay, the model is dead, there's absolutely no way to save the economy, which has a four
quadrillion dollar debt. That's four and 15 zeros. And so what do they want? They want force majeure,
what's force majeure? Global thermonuclear war. Okay, so you can write up, you know,
four quadrillion dollars, if you want to kill four or five billion people, they don't care,
they're psychopaths. Why do you think, you know, the global elite, the Peter Thiel's, the owner
of PayPal, the Gateses, the businesses are buying so much land and building underground bunkers,
which are, you know, thousands and thousands of acres, because they understand what's coming down.
And so the idea is you have, you know, global hunger. The UN said, this year, you're gonna have
1.7 billion people not gonna have enough food to eat. Okay, and so if you kill four or five billion
people, well, you solve a lot of different problems at the same time, as far as the elite
concerned, needless to say. And so what we see again, so again, when you look at it from that
dimension, the COVID thing is a joke. Okay, it's, I'm not making fun of COVID, I'm making fun of the
fact that you'll think that this is, you know, end of be all of what we're seeing right now, it's not.
The global picture is very different, and they need to understand this. And so the problem today
is we have no language to explain this, what's happening around us. And that means that we're,
you know, staring down the barrel of a global collapse of biblical proportions, because again,
what we're seeing today has only happened twice in the last 2000 years. The first time between
the fourth and the sixth century, when the old Roman Empire collapsed, and then it gave eventually
its way to feudalism, and then 1000 years later, between the 16th and the 17th centuries,
when feudalism collapsed and gave way to modern day capitalism, which today is on its deathbed.
And so we need to define what this world is going to look like. And what you're seeing right now in
the Ukraine, okay, is an intent to define this post future world, post conflict, post hunger,
post biblical collapse. It's no longer going to be a unipolar world. It's going to be a very
different world from anything we've seen thus far. And so again, I've talked about this, I'm not sure
if I've spoken to this group about it, I've done so in my bulletins for my subscribers or interviews,
but we talked about, we went from global 1.0, which is, let's just, you know, how would you
define this, the world of Westphalia, 1648 until the late 1960s of the 20th century.
And then in 1968, the Bilderberg Conference in Montreux Blanc, one of the outskirts of
Montreal, where, you know, my family and I were going to go skiing when the whole COVID thing started,
they defined a new concept, and they called it One World Company Limited. In other words, corporations
that have more power than any government on the planet. We have examples of that today,
we have BlackRock, we have Vanguard Group, etc. etc. Okay. And so today, so we've gone from
an industrial world, which everyone understands, well, that is to post industrial, which basically,
you know, playing with numbers on a computer screen. So people tell me, have you know,
a quadrillion dollars, you have nothing, you have numbers zeros on a screen. It's nothing. It's not
a physical good. And so today, so we've gone from physical economy, industrial, to post industrial,
and now we're coming to the sixth technological paradigm, which is trans industrial economy.
And that's robotics, virtual reality, artificial intelligence, distance learning, smart contracts,
you know, end of Habou Rabi laws. In other words, everything we've seen as far as the laws
from 1762 before, you know, for Christ to now, that's 3800 years, that's gone. Why? Because we're
coming into the age of transhumanism, post humanism. And so when you put it in context,
they need all these things. And there's a term for it called Greek paradigms. In other words,
ask, imagine you're walking up the stairs, as you keep walking up the stairs, each step is a
techno paradigm. And for you to start going to a higher, higher level, you need to destroy everything
which was built before. And that's what they're doing right now. They're dismantling the industrial
and the post industrial world in order to build up this trans industrial world. We have, you know,
robots, man machines, cyborgs, all kinds of things, artificial intelligence, or basically
things which are not dependent on the human beings. And so for them to actually get to that,
they need to dismantle this world. And COVID is just, you know, an excuse, an element,
okay, a tool for the dismantling. It works very, very well. Okay, it achieved many different
objectives, because again, you kind of have to look at it as an intel operation. And in intelligence,
in any kind of intel operation, there are a lot of different groups with different interests,
because it costs a lot of money. And for make it work, everybody puts something into the kitty.
And everybody gets something out of it. Whether we're talking about World Economic Forum,
World Health Organization, the governments, you know, the supranational structures,
the global control grid, etc, etc. Okay, and so this is where we are today. So whenever you're
discussing anything, I don't care how important it is, you have to look at the bigger picture from a
conceptual point of view. That's my advice. And I gotta go. But anyway, one last comment, those who
are interested in following what I do, you can go on my webpage, it's estulin.media. E-S-T-U-L-I-N,
that's my last name. Estulin.media. Okay, and we have all kinds of things with audios for...
Daniel, can I just say one thing? These guys who are conducting this undeclared war on humanity,
that's the result of it anyway. Who do they think they are? So I see a world, I see technology out
of control. Oh, absolutely. Technology is out of control. So human beings, they like stability,
they don't like change. And then all of a sudden, technology is allowed to go out completely out of
control. And the whole our environment is changing so rapidly, that we're not able to adapt,
as we were, nevermind as it will be. So who do these people think they are?
Well, they are the rulers of the world, Steven. I mean, they've ruled, again, if you, again,
it's a conversation for another day. But just to give you an idea, you know, the people who
run Switzerland today are the high priests who controlled Egypt 3000 years ago. That hasn't
changed. One of the reasons you can't touch Switzerland, whether you're Napoleon or Hitler,
you can't touch it. Okay, people may not understand it. Okay, it's not some kind of a Jewish
conspiracy. But the people who run Switzerland today, they're the direct descendants of the high
priests who control Egypt, who control Egypt, the pharaohs now, the high priests control Egypt.
And they're the same people who control the countries today, especially Switzerland, which
is the epicenter of the entire syllabus. But Daniel, what's unique to what's going on now
is the rapidity of changes. So for example, my grandmother lived to 103. And she lived through
the biggest changes that anyone's ever seen. But how on earth can you expect human beings to adapt
to a rapidly changing environment? And they don't want you to adapt. They don't need a billion
people. They need to kill 7 billion. They have no need for 8 billion people. Okay, well, look,
if you're looking at from our perspective, it's like, I don't want to die. Okay, I mean,
I still have a few years left, hopefully. Yeah, but they're not going to survive either.
Steven, the thing is, and again, we can talk about it the next time if you want,
the whole idea of the sixth and seventh technological paradigm. One of the reasons,
let me explain this and then I really got to go. One of the reasons, okay, and you guys have
talked about this, where injecting microchips and changing your DNA, there's a reason for that.
Okay, it's not a wild conspiracy theory. If you can't build anything on the planet earth,
because we reached the limit, okay, of space on the planet earth, we basically built everything
that can be built and stolen everything can be stolen here. You can't expand more than the
space itself. And so for you to build, you need to build out which is up there or down there.
But we as a human body, we can't live in space. We're not made to live in space. So for us to live
in space, and that's the seventh technological paradigm, okay, based on the moon, you know,
the space travel, etc, etc. They need to change our body and turn it into something else. And
that's one of the key reasons why they're changing our DNA to make it more adaptable to living in
space. And this isn't a new project has been around for a long time, except now they have
the technology to do this, because technological growth is exponential, it's not linear. And so
they can absolutely do this. And again, if you're seeing what has been done with COVID,
okay, it's a step in the direction of the sixth technological paradigm. Okay, it's again, people
may not understand, but this is exactly what has been done. And again, thank you so much for giving
your time to listen to me. If you're interested to learn more, it's sjolim.media. And if you guys
want to ask me a question, you can send me an email. And I think Stephen gave you my email
is daniel.sjolim.es at gmail.com. Daniel, very quickly, would you come back in the next few weeks
to take questions on the what you said? A few weeks will be difficult because I have
two trips to Latin America to work with presidents there. But we can definitely do something in
November. Very good. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel. Great job. Thank you.
Thank you, Daniel.