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Hello, welcome everybody. I'm Charles Coves, this is Stephen Frost's group, Medical Doctors

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for COVID Ethics. We've got Daniel for one hour. This meeting goes for two and a half hours, so

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you can have conversation after Daniel leaves us. He's got other obligations.

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There are lots of professions here. Daniel has spoken to us before wonderfully. I've listened to

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the recording of that again. Lots of professions here. There are doctors, there are lawyers,

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there are journalists, there are scientists, there are patent experts, there are dentists,

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there are investors. So we're here in the spirit of exploration and discovery. After the two and

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a half hours, there's a telegram group, less structured. This is a structured conversation,

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moderated. It's free speech, no censorship, no wokeness, no identity politics, no political

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correctness. We understand and committed to the development of science. I quote the writer Michael

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Crichton's quote, he says, when someone tells you the science is settled, reach for your wallet.

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So there you are, the science is settled. We come from love, not fear, and have an open mind.

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Daniel Estulin, you read his CV. He's a superstar globally, great thinker. Daniel, thank you again

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for being with us, Stephen. Well done for organizing, Daniel, because he is so busy.

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Stephen, is there anything you want to say? We'll go straight to Daniel.

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Daniel, what you're thinking of talking to us about is exactly what this group needs to hear,

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because even within this group, many think it's just about the medicine and the data,

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and clearly it's not. So if you can help us to increase our understanding, that would be hugely

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valuable. Yeah, it's not about medicine. I mean, medicine is the after effect. As you asked me

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yesterday or the day before yesterday to attend to my resume, my curriculum, I sent you a very

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brief version of it. I've written many books. I'm a university professor. I'm a doctor of

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political science, but mostly what I do is I work with presidents. It doesn't matter which countries

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in Latin America, it's irrelevant, but I work with three presidents in Latin America as their

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senior foreign policy advisor. So I know what's going on at a level which goes

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beyond what most people understand or need us to say here in the mainstream media.

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So that said, I think let's start. So the question that most people ask all the time,

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of me and of others, what's really going on? And in reference to the Ukraine area of operations,

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I was asked this question back in February, and with the latest mobilization announced by Putin

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the other day, I think it's time maybe to answer that question. So actually the actual question I

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was asked was, why is this conflict called special military operation, not a war? But in fact,

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the question itself was poorly formulated. So if we formulate it correctly, it would be something

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like this. Why did Russia start the special military operation and not a war? Okay, Sun Tzu

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in his theory of war talks about several key elements when dealing with an enemy. If we want

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to achieve success against our enemy or against our opponent, one of them is to destroy the enemy's

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plans. And the next element is to destroy the alliances of the enemy. So destroy your enemy's

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plans slash intentions. So what are these the intentions and who is the adversary?

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But the problem is that in Russia, they can't really answer this question either.

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You have 50 countries lined up against Russia. So the first thing we would need to do is to find

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out who the real enemy is, because the others, they are the allies of the enemy. And victories

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achieved against the enemy. So we're looking at the Syuanian, Moldova, Latvia, Poland, etc.

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They're not the enemies. Okay, they're the associates, the lab dogs, the poodles, whatever

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you want to call them. But who is the real enemy? So until you have defeated the enemy, you will not

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achieve the victory over that enemy. And so therefore, to understand that we have to go back

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to the year 2013 to evaluate the events that occurred that year and explain how they're related

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to today's events. So in 2013, Ukraine was a very dynamic country. Ukraine had no need to become a

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part of the European Union, nor become a part of the Eurasian Union. Why? Because it received on the

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one hand cheap energy resources from Russia. And on the other hand, access to this huge European

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market as well as cheap loans from European banking institutions. That's an ideal position.

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You don't need to do anything. Just count your money and be happy. What happened next? Yanukovych

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was the president of Ukraine at the time. He arrives in Vilnius, that's the capital of Lithuania,

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to attend a meeting with European leaders. And Angela Merkel, she told him that he should

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sign an association agreement with the European Union. He said no. And then the European leaders

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told them, why are you being like this? We're really counted on you go and schooled everything

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up. Okay, who said that? The German Chancellor. Why did Germany need Ukraine's accession to Europe?

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Germany has obvious interests because Germany historically, as always, throughout her existence

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for hundreds of years, has dedicated itself to a simple thing, expand her influence, expand her

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economy, and expand her power. And so throughout these hundreds of years, with the obvious ups

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and downs. So what did Germany get? What happened after? Oh, by the way, another thing that happened

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when Yanukovych was forced to sign this document, and Merkel herself, she became the guarantor of the

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paper Yanukovych signed. And as soon as that was done, the next day, the Ukrainian coup was underway.

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Now, the phrase coup d'etat is not really a correct way of expressing it either. It's not a coup,

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it's an occupation. The European Union has occupied Ukraine, and it established a public

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government in Kiev. And what happened next was never in the interests of Ukraine, a nation state,

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I repeat, the interests of Ukraine are to simultaneously receive on the one hand,

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Russian cheap energy, and on the other, access to a market of 500 million people and very cheap loans,

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0.1% from the European community. You don't need to do anything other than that.

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And so Yanukovych is ousted and Parashenko is appointed president by European community.

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Again, this is somebody not elected but appointed by the European Commission to become the

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president of Ukraine, a supposedly independent country. So what does this president

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designate Parashenko to do? Well, he occupied Ukraine, that's the great word, except several

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regions of Ukraine take an exception to this occupation and begin to resist. Now, what

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happened after? What happened in 2019? What happened in 2020? What happened in 2021?

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A coalition begins to form. Germany begins to form a coalition against Russia.

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And this is the true essence of Germany, dragnahost. And this has been repeated for centuries.

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Germany receives human resources, natural resources, mineral wealth, food resources,

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and markets. And it's their natural desire to expand, not now, always. Okay, let's go back a

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little bit further. 2014. In 2014, Putin arrives in Austria and meets with the Austrian Chamber of

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Commerce and Industry. Now, one of the participants in the middle of the act asks to speak, goes up on

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stage, grabs the microphone and says openly, literally looking at Putin. Ukraine used to be

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a part of Austria, he said in German. And Putin, he speaks German fluently. He translates it out loud,

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laughing, making a joke of it. I want you to understand what this Austrian guest said to Putin

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was no joke. For hundreds of years, they have considered it their land. And so the Germans,

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they're putting together this anti-Russia coalition that goes back way back to 2014 to Maidan,

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etc. And they understand that the war is absolutely unavoidable. The Germans have vote the government,

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the deep state behind these people. And so this coalition is coupled together from the Poles.

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First of all, then the Austro-Hungary, former empire, Great Britain and the United States. Now,

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to understand what is happening, you have to understand the interests of each of these players

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involved. So what are the interests of the Poles? Well, restitution of land and also real estate

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located on the territory of Ukraine. In other words, as soon as Ukraine joins the European Union,

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it will be forced to sign the restitution agreement. Therefore, the Polish aristocracy

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will recover its lands, its properties, if you belong to them from hundreds of years ago.

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The older aristocracy, it's not all but simply divided. It's Austria-Hungary, it's Slovakia.

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This is also their historical lands. And so they will also want to receive what they feel is rightfully

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theirs. Then comes the interests of the United Kingdom. So what are their interests? What is

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England interested in? Well, Churchill said at best, Britain may have different allies,

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but our interests do not change. So what are these interests? Bankrupt Germany. And so Germany wants

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a war. Britain's philosophy is to help Germany destroy itself. Look at World War II. Now, what

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about the interests of the United States? Well, that's easy. The interests of the United States

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is that the more garbage there is in Europe, the more disorder, the more chaos, the more Washington

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is interested in helping Europe destroy itself. They can test new weapons. They can test the level

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of America's armed forces preparedness for an eventual all-out war with Russia, which they

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absolutely understand will happen, that will supply Europe with food, with energy resources,

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in exchange for very favorable economic benefits. In other words, save America the expense of Europe.

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What do you think Marshall Plan was all about? What do you think it was about? Helping Europe in the

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post-World War? That the United States of America was doing it out of the goodness of their heart?

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Let me briefly tell you about the Marshall Plan so you understand the cunningness and

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efficaciousness of the United States of America's actions in the Ukrainian theater of operations

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with respect to its own allies. The Marshall Plan, as everyone knows, is so named for the

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speech on June 5th, 1947 by former general and then US Secretary of State George Marshall at

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Harvard University. Now, Marshall proposed a solution to the disintegrating economic and

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social conditions that faced Europe in the aftermath of World War II. And so under the program,

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at least that's the public part of the United States, would provide aid to prevent starvation

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in the major war areas, repair the devastation of those areas as quickly as possible, and invite

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European countries to join in this cooperative plan for economic reconstruction. Now, what is less

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generally acknowledged is that the plan came with strings attached. America made absolutely explicit

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requirements for trade liberalization and also increases in productivity, thus ensuring what

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the Americanization of Europe as European political and economic elites became wedded to

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the American counterparts. And that's been the case ever since. And so this unprecedented exercise

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of international generosity, done by Churchill, by the way, the most sordid act in history,

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served direct economic purpose for the internationally oriented US corporations,

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which needless to say promoted it. Now, what was Churchill referring to? Well, specifically,

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the CIA was tapping into this $200 million a year in local currency counterpart funds

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contributed by the recipients of Marshall Plan A. In other words, these un-vouchered monies

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were being used by the CIA to finance all kinds of anti-communist activities. On the one hand,

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in France and Italy, support sympathetic journalists, labor union leaders, politicians.

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In other words, lock them up in this mutual relationship of win-win as far as the United

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States was concerned. And those, again, who think that the Ukrainian operation was a last-minute

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affair, a slapdash effort by the United States government to save Ukrainian democracy for

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Putin's dictatorship, you have to understand that these kinds of operations, they take years of

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secret planning. And Kishinpoyt is the Marshall Plan. Do you think it was decided at the end of

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World War II? No. The origins of the Marshall Plan, in fact, to be found in the paper signed,

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written, prepared, produced by the Council of Foreign Relations in 1939. That was prior to

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World War II. Okay. So again, the idea is of the main idea of the Marshall Plan, which was prepared

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by the State Department of the Council of Foreign Relations, which is the brother organization to

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the Bilderberg Group beginning in 1939, explicitly detail the role of the United States as an

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encroaching force and also replacement for the British Empire. And so the movement to form this

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united Europe was a part of a much larger plan to form what today is known as the World Government.

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For example, Carol Quigley is a professor of history at the Foreign Service School at

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Georgetown University, also one of the mentors to Bill Clinton. He traced the evolution of the

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establishment, aka New World Order in the 21st century in his wonderful book called Tragic and

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Hope. Noting that, and I quote, the integration of Western Europe began in 1948 through the Marshall

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Plan. And then we have the Hay Congress, the creation of the Schumann Plan in the 1950s,

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all kinds of other, you know, the European atomic energy community, the common market, etc.

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And so again, hidden by this general Marshall and the Council of Foreign Relations crowd was the

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fact that this European coal and steel community was the first concrete step towards this political

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unification, the first block, let's say of the Empire building. And the Empire building, needless

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to say, one world government. And then with the signing of the Treaty of Rome, it kind of paved

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the way for the European economic community in 57. The next step towards a future world government

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was taken. And then finally we have the Treaty of Rome came into effect on January 1st, 1958.

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And there you have it. And today is where we are today. Okay, so let's go back to Ukraine.

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So what was the West's idea of this project Ukraine? Well, the idea was this Ukraine suddenly

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attacks Crimea, the same countries that today back Ukraine also support Ukraine back in 2014.

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And simultaneously the West activates the resistance of the so-called fifth column inside

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Russia. We have already seen this, you know, the coming out protests, firstly beginning and

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of the military operation in February and then, you know, now with the white flag and blue stripe

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in the middle. Okay. And as a former NATO general said very, very recently, this operation, in other

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words, what we're seeing right now, goes back many, many years. Of course it does. Okay, now another,

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imagine a different scene, Moscow Institute of Tolerance, which is 100% Soros Open Society

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funded organization, not only Soros, but many other institutes for that matter, Western,

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these fifth column traitors, you know, they like to hide behind their Jewishness and play victims

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of anti-Semitism. But I don't think that the Jews would agree with the ideas that they're discussing

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in the center of tolerance towards Russian culture and Russia as a civilization. So in this institute,

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a conference was held headed by a certain by the individual by the name of Goswin,

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and which was stated that Russia cannot retain the space it occupies and we have to retreat

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spatially and now we have to decide here in this institute funded by Soros, you know, amongst

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ourselves if Russia retreats to the Volga River or to the Ural Mountains, basically handing over

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half of the country to foreign interests. Another thing, why did Russia start the special military

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operation in another war? To, again, to disrupt the plans of your enemy, okay, an enemy which

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is wanted in a loud war, so you didn't want to know that, well you wanted a special military

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operation because the rules of engagement are different. So everything was ready for Russia to

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start a war and the collective West was pushing her into a war, a war they would enter as NATO

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alliance. But Putin instead starting a special military operation and thwarted their plan.

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Next point according to Sun Tse, you need to break your enemy's alliances. So if you kind of look at

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the enemy itself, what would be one of the most sensitive points of the alliance? Well, that's the

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Vatican. And when I say the Vatican, you must understand we're talking about the European

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aristocracy. We're talking about the fourth Reich of Roman Empire of Germanic nations.

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When we talk about the Vatican, people don't understand that, you know, what this institution

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itself stands for today other than some foggy relationship with God. I'm not talking about

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priests, I'm not talking about the pope, much less, you know, frivolities over the past centuries.

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The Vatican has the very best intelligence service in the world. It's called Unions Santo. The best

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and the oldest, the oldest, number one, not KGB, not Mossad, not MI6, not the CIA or NSA.

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No one remotely comes close to the capacity of the Vatican to spy. For example, the confessionals in

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the church around the world, what do you think they are? To box a booth in which the priest sits

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to hear the confessions of penitents, do you really think that what was spoken there remains

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between the priest and God? Is that what you think? And speaking of the Vatican, we're talking about,

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again, the intelligence structure, but also about the hierarchy of power. We're talking about

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taxation, we're talking about money, we're talking about influence. What taxes you may ask, the Vatican

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is a microstate. Does anyone really think that the Vatican is a microstate that has absolutely no

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power at all? The Vatican collects monies from the entire Latin American continent. 10% of everything,

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absolutely everything in Latin America goes to the Vatican. And then the Vatican invests this money,

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these billions of dollars through some of the world's largest and most powerful, most corrupt

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banking institutions. And again, I've explained it many times in my conferences, in my webinars

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and interviews, the link between the Vatican and international drug trade. A few years ago,

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the Vatican created an institute in Italy where it prepares or trains whatever word you want to use,

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future politicians all over Europe, including the famous Nazi battalion Azov, which you might have

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heard of in Ukraine. The Vatican financed it. And that's why when we see images of this clown

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president Zelensky's arrival at some of these advanced positions of the Azov battalion back

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in March and April. And so Zelensky, you know, the camera is rolling and Zelensky is talking to,

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you know, to the head of Azov and the other guy doesn't even listen to him. He yawns and picks

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his nose and listens with contempt and looks the other day. Wait, why? Why are you saying, like,

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why are you, Zelensky, you're a clown, current president? You're not paying me. The Vatican is

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paying me. So why should I be listening to you? Why was Azov entrenched in Mario Alfonso for so long?

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For the love of the country of Zelensky, the name of Nazi ideals? No, because the Vatican was paying

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them and their families. And again, when I say the Vatican, I'm not talking about the pope writing

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checks. I'm talking about the aristocracy that works through the Vatican institutions. And in

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the face, again, one of today's global projects called Greater Europe. Okay, now point of contention,

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the Poles. We know that the Poles on their territory prepared and financed and continued

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preparing the Ukrainian military and their training camp. So entry point, okay, after they

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train the Ukrainian militants is the city of Lvov in Western Ukraine. It is the most fanatical,

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nationalistic part of the country. So on the one side, we have the Poles and their aristocracy.

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And on the other side, we have the Vatican. And so the Poles are saying, well, this is mine.

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Because to them, that entire area, which is now Ukraine, Lvov, is theirs historically. And the

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Vatican is saying, no, no, it's mine. And the Poles are saying, well, we have, you know, certain

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historical documents to prove that Lvov is ours. And the Vatican is saying, we also have historical

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documents to prove that it's ours. And so when Putin put pressure on this flashpoint,

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the Pope immediately asked for an audience in the Kremlin. So why so much fear of Russia by the

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Vatican? Because Russia represents the most delicate external risk for the European continent

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since Russia plans to take Eastern Europe for itself. And at the same time, Russia has preserved

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more robust, let's say, imperial and conservative traditions than the people of the new center. And

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so part of this conservative strategy, a section of the European elite linked to the Vatican,

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will have a separate line. In other words, Moscow will have to become a new Constantinople. And

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right-wing conservative Russian circles will actively contribute to this. So we have, okay,

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this is the situation today. But for Russia, this particular scenario represents a strategic

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loss because the Byzantine trap, in other words, the rejection of development, etc., etc.

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And so the revived Austro-Hungarian empire is very attractive to Russia as one of the regions of this

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new Eurasian state. And because it doesn't come with any burden derived from the ruins of Western

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Europe, what to become ruins of Western Europe, all the elites and wealth of the Vatican itself.

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Put another way, Russia's revival should come at the expense of Europe's future and not vice versa.

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Now, will they have time to implement it? After all, the interval between the present

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and the beginning of this new dark age is extremely short. And the level of passionality and energy

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among European nations or peoples is too low. And so the most important thing is not to repeat

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the fate of Byzantium. And there's one more thing that we should take into account,

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the hidden confrontation between the Vatican, which is Christianity, and also,

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in turn, which is financial international. That's Judaism slash global network of financial oligarchy

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with its most important nodes in New York, London, and Alcon. And that's the main contradiction

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of the entire Mediterranean biblical civilization of the period of the past 2000 years. In other

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words, it is a struggle to determine the title of the shepherd who receives the edict of having to

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shepherd the nations of the world as one flock and who during the period of globalization,

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according to the natural course of things, it brings together many to one, or as you can read

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on the one dollar US bill, a plus libus uno. Okay, let's get back to the Pope. In Moscow,

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Pope Francis was not given an audience. So the Pope out of desperation went to Kazakhstan to meet

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Putin. What's Vatican's message? We must talk to Putin. We're ready to accept any condition

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as long as the revolve is not returned to the polls after Russia conquers Ukraine. And so

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at a conceptual level, what I'm explaining is the destruction of alliances. So this is on the one

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hand. On the other hand, the alliance of the European Union. I want to remind you that when

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Poroshenko acquiesced to the alliance with the European Union, he was literally given a standing

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ovation in the German Buddhist talk. Because for the Germans, it was a triumph, it was a victory.

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Because according to them, Russia economically, when pushed, okay, it would fall like a house of

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cards. Except that today Germany realized that in general terms, they're not capable of enduring

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this war economically, politically, and much less socially. Germany has two months of gas left,

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October, November. What will happen in December and January and February, March, and even in April

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of 2023. And so what we're witnessing right now is the destruction of the economy. It's complete

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and utter collapse. Okay, normal people are going to freeze. That's life. And we don't care about

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normal people. But the economy can survive without energy either. Because the world is global, the

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markets are global. If I can produce something cheaper in China, why would I buy it from Germany

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when it's going to cost me a lot of money to make it? And so any production of whatever,

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the common denominator is gas because it is the energy that you need to produce something. And gas

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comes from Russia. And that's why the European leaders, they are beginning to understand. And

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so if you remember, Macron, Scholes, Draghi, they jump on the train and they go to Kiev. You

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remember that famous photo? The three of them train compartment. And they convinced Zelensky

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he had no choice but to negotiate with Putin. And then what happens after Boris Johnson comes to Kiev

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and scuttles the pre-arranged peace talks. And that's when, you know, there was already a

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deal between various factions in Istanbul. Almost everything was worked out. Again,

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Boris Johnson arrives and again. Okay. So Johnson twice ruined the negotiations and

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agreements between Europe and Ukraine regarding the outcome and also territorial integrity with

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Russia. And for this reason, the part of the elite, okay, did everything in their power

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to eliminate Boris Johnson as prime minister of the United Kingdom. In other words, Putin

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was able to destroy two alliances, Great Britain and the European Union. Now,

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European leaders understood that Great Britain is playing against them. Now, what will happen next?

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When will the special military operation end? There will be a war. Okay, you've heard me right.

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I'm going to repeat. When the special military operation ends, it will give start to the war.

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We are witnessing today is not a war. We are on the verge of a war. Yes, they're shooting.

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They're killing people. There is violence, but it's not a war. Not yet. It may be a cold war,

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maybe a hot war, maybe a trade war. It may be not even on the territory of Ukraine. For example,

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transferring the conflict to the territory of the Atlantic Ocean. For example, suddenly,

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okay, the oil tanker, any oil tanker that transports gas explodes. The cause, well,

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the typical excuse. We've seen this before. Somebody without taking the necessary precautions,

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lit a cigarette and boom. Okay. Okay. In other words, we have a war at sea that can become

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an absolute reality, not with warships between nations. In addition, it's a very ecological war,

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if you really think about it. If the oil tanker catches fire, you'll have an oil spill,

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ecological disaster, it has to be cleaned up, et cetera, et cetera. But with gas, nothing will

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happen. It will explode and then sink to the bottom of the sea. And so everyone's question is,

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when does the war end? Answer, it will end when the future post-war reorganization of what the

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world will look like is negotiated. In other words, until they come to the table to agree

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on the future structure of the world, there will be no end to hostilities.

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Now, what's the air of the Russian diplomats, European diplomats, American diplomats, political

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scientists, et cetera, et cetera. Let me ask you another question. Do you remember the League of

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Nations? Well, what kind of a discussion or negotiation could there have been with the

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League of Nations during the First World War? It existed at the time, yes, but no one would have

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thought of putting themselves in the hands of the League of Nations to solve World War I issues.

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Because these issues are negotiated between the elites at the table of power where the

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representatives of the most powerful clans in history sit, meet, and discuss. I'm not talking

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about Biden. I'm not talking about Johnson. I'm not talking about Schwab. I'm not talking about

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Macron. I'm not talking about the United Nations. You have to understand that the United Nations,

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as a tool, can no longer be a tool. And the model of the future of the world that Russia or

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Russia will negotiate together with China and Iran and Turkey and India, and that also the vital

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importance of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, in other words, if these countries

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can offer their vision of the world and the Atlantic countries can accept it, then the war

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will end, not before. Okay, so that's one. All right, let's add another piece of the puzzle.

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Russia, China, and the Vatican, you probably do agree that these are very strange travel companions.

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If we go back to mid-September, by the week and a half ago, okay, the working agendas of the three

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world leaders converged in Central Africa and the convergence of these three vectors at once at the

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same place and time is a unique event and in no way can be construed as a coincidence.

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Coincidences do not exist in the world of depolitics. You have well-done and badly

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executed operations. Everything else is a conspiracy theory. And so, officially we have

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Putin, Xi Jinping, and Pope Francis. They did not see each other. They did not meet. But recently,

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again, we have enough facts that have come to light, the sum of which can speak of conjecture

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not suitable, let's say, for the general public. And so, despite problems with his knee and a

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wheelchair, Pope Francis, he flies to Kazakhstan for the first time for this seventh Congress of

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Leaders of World and Traditional Religions. This is a third-class Congress, okay, that does not

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fit in any way with the stature of Pope Francis. Okay, now I remind you that a week before that,

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the Pope himself made an announcement publicly that he was forbidden by his doctors to make

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that trip and yet extraordinary times require extraordinary measures. And then we have Xi Jinping

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and comrade Xi leaves China for the first time in over two years to meet with Putin,

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okay, and the Shanghai Cooperation leaders in Uzbekistan with a stopover in Kazakhstan.

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And then we also have at the same time the Economic Forum and Vladivostok. That's way on

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the other side of Russia, which ended on the day of the official announcement of Queen Elizabeth's

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death, which, you know, would have been a clever false start. And in summer, China and Russia

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announced their readiness to lead this global transition to a new format and a new future.

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And the later Pope Francis, who back in the spring described the reason for the war in Ukraine,

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as he said, NATO barking at the door of Russia and in the sky over Kazakhstan,

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he declared that the West went the wrong way and calls the largest cemetery of humanity.

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And so in March 2022, the Holy See took a demonstrative step spending 10 million euros

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buying rubles in Russia because, as they said, of the threat of sanctions. And then in June,

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the new apostolic constitution entered into force in the Vatican, which provides in particular

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for the consolidation of all controlled finance in the hands of this newly created

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investment committee. Okay. And at the same time, again, the reach of Pope Francis,

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the influence of the Vatican extends not only over emphatically anti-Russia Poland or visibly

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pro-Russian Hungary. I want to remind you that the other day, the representative of Hungary at the

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United Nations General Assembly, he gave his speech in Russian. I don't know if you saw that.

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There's no reason to do that. They speak Magyar. There's no reason for him to speak Russian. They

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all speak Russian. Okay. But he gave his speech in Russian instead of his own language. And so

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the Vatican's influence extends also over half of the rest of Europe and also vast expanses of

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the Americans, central and south, and also North America, speaking of 135 millions from Mexico.

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Okay. And also we can talk about huge parts of Ukraine, which is a geopolitical project of the

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Vatican itself. And again, go back to what I said about financing the Azov battalion.

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And this geopolitical project, which is Ukraine, the Anglo-Saxons are now trying to wiggle in the

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same way as they did in Vietnam. And instead of some kind of a truce on the occasion of the death

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of Queen Elizabeth II, the Anglo-Saxon controlled Ukranian, staged a what? A general offensive near

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Kharkov. These are not coincidences. Okay. So all this doesn't mean that Russia and China and the

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Vatican are ready to join forces, come up with a common strategy to rebalance the world after

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Johnson led it to a dead end. So Russia and China and the Vatican, these are three global projects.

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Russia is the great Eurasian global project, China is Datun, and Vatican is the great Europe. But it

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is even less credible that the leaders of the planet's three key states, Russia, China, and the

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Vatican, they're players who almost never travel abroad, all accidentally

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ended up at the same time and in the same place. And that's what they would say in Rome,

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sapienti sat. Okay, let's talk about something else. Another piece of the puzzle is the mobilization

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of the Vatican itself. Look what they're doing. At the end of 2020, the Vatican together the families

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of Judaic project sided with the Fin and Turn and transnational corporations in the internal

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political conflict in the United States, which allowed Joe Biden to win to steal to become

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president of the United States. Okay. Because again, as I explained in my book on Donald Trump

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called the in the shadows of a presidency, which I published in 2017, it was thanks to Vatican's

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influence that Trump won the election in the United States because all the parishes in America

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were told by the Vatican to tell their congregations to vote Trump. Because again,

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you have to understand what's Trump. Trump, is Trump an American? Was he an American president?

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No. Do you imagine you have a table and you have Putin sitting there and there's his name tag,

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Vladimir Putin, Russia. You have Xi Jinping and other name tags as China. Modi says India and says

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Donald Trump's of the United States. It doesn't represent the United States because again,

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if we're talking about America, what America are we talking about? Because America is not a

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homogenous country. You have two Americas, a country at war with itself. You have the liberal

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banking financier America. In the face of that was Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, et cetera,

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and Joe Biden and all these people. And you have the other America. So these are the liberal banking

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financiers. Then you have the other America, which is an alternative project. And Trump was

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the face of that project. Trump is a nothing. Biden is a nothing. These people are nothing.

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They're the face of a global project. Presidents of the United States or any other country have

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no power whatsoever. And so Donald Trump was a representative of an alternative project.

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Okay. Not banking financiers, but industrialists, nationalists, isolationists.

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Okay. Trump represented the great European project because again, he is half Scottish

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Irish and the other half German. And for most people, but we don't have no idea where ancestors

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come from, you know, maybe our grandmother. But if you go 10 generations, people don't know,

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but the elite, they know who they are. Or don't you think that the Queen Elizabeth and the entire

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family, they don't know where they come from. And so the elite understand who they are and where

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they come from. So Donald Trump was the face of greater European project, which is blood

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and soil landed European aristocracy. Okay. And the idea was to change the future. In other words,

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to save America at the expense of global liberal banking financiers. Trump wasn't able to do that.

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So in 2020, the Vatican project together with a Judaic project, that's New Jerusalem in London,

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that's not Israel. Okay. They backed Joe Biden. It doesn't matter if he wants to, it makes no

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difference. And so throughout the 2021, Rome's politics, the Vatican in other words, have

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followed in the wake of this globalist and right liberal endeavor, inclusive capitalism,

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political ecology, fighting against global warming, compulsory medicine, what else, vaccines,

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QR codes, et cetera, et cetera, all kinds of other fascinating stuff. And then something happened.

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And at the beginning of 2022, the Vatican's policy had undergone this visible change.

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And the absence beginning in February, on 24, 2022, when the Russian began their special military

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operation against Ukraine, okay, total absence of this unequivocal hysterical and repeated condemnation

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of Russia's actions on the territory of Ukraine. But I think I never said a word. And attempts to

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pressure the Vatican by the British elite and also by the American intelligence agencies

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did not give the desire. And so the Pope moved further and further away from the general Western

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line. And so during his visit to Kazakhstan, the expression, which no one would have thought

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Pope was able to actually utter, multipolar world was heard more than once from the Pope.

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And simultaneously, the Vatican launched the processes of this internal mobilization and

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concentration of resources. Look at some of their moves over the past month, month and a half.

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Again, by the end of September, 2022, all Vatican structures must transfer

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financial assets, their securities, et cetera, to the Vatican bank or as it's officially known,

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the Institute of Religious Affairs. Then we have the Opus Dei order, which has penetrated deeply into

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the system of power and control most of Latin America. Suddenly, they are deprived of autonomy

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and also transferred to the direct control of the Vatican. And then finally, after five years of

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debates and struggles, the general leadership of the Order of Malta was dissolved. We're talking

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about 13,500 members. We're talking about 52,000 medical workers. We're talking about 95,000

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volunteers, et cetera. And then not to mention the laws were changed as far as, for example,

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the requirements of mobility for high ranks within the organization, lifetime occupation of the past,

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you know, post of master, et cetera, et cetera. And so we are, we are, we are, we are,

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given the impression that the Vatican remembered that it represents, coordinates, and consolidates

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this old European conservative elite of the continental right, which is, you could easily

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say, blood and soil. Okay, this is the landed aristocracy of Europe. And so in the context of a

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disintegrating globalization, okay, the Vatican will try to implement its own strategy to survive

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and not be buried under the rubble of a Europe that has lost its psycho-historical purpose.

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Europe is not a subject anymore. It's nothing. And yes, for Russia, the main strategic issue

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regarding the Vatican, the dissolution of the Greek Catholic Union, so some sort of Galicians,

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that's the Ukrainian region, Galicia, become kind of a, a sub-ethnic group of Catholic popes.

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And also the other part will go back to be Russian Orthodox, the other part of Ukraine. Otherwise,

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it's impossible to kill this psycho-historical position that is spawned on the European continent

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today. And so just to summarize what I said, what we're seeing right now in a conceptual level

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is not a fight between Russia and Ukraine. It's a very different project at hand. What we're

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looking at is a survival and redefinition of the post-world order, post-crisis, post-biblical

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collapse, which we're about to see, unfortunately. Okay, and so these are the things being played

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out right now in the Ukrainian theater of operations. But again, what we're seeing is

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not a war. The war will soon start. And the mobilization that we're seeing right now is

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the escalation in the direction of the war. And until the global elite, these global projects

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don't sit down at this metaphorical, you know, global historical power table to discuss

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what the future of the world will look like, this conflict is not going to end. And again,

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I'm not talking about presidents of countries. And that's again, it's also the fact that Queen

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Elizabeth died at this moment. Okay, I'm not talking about some kind of a conspiracy that

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she was killed. No, I'm just talking about this was an unfortunate time for her to die, because

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she would have played an important role as one of the important players when they sit at this global

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table of power to discuss what this future world will look like. So on that, Ayan, thanks again

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for being with us and for joining us and for giving me a chance to speak to you.

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Daniel, everybody round of applause who you can see. Thank you, Daniel, for that tour de force

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that somebody put in the chat. You know, there's a fire hose of information, your big picture look,

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a global table. What was that line sitting at a global table of?

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It's a global table of power. Because again, if you look historically, one of the reasons

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and this isn't the time to talk about this, but one of the one of the reasons that the Russian

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royal family, the czar Nicholas the second and his entire family were killed, because the Russian

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czars historically has occupied a very important prominent position at this global table of power,

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not through the through the Roman arms, which is a German dynasty, but through the rubrics,

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which is the they ruled Russia for 21 generations. And in the West, you know, one of the rubrics is

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Ivan the Terrible, which is a name given to him by the British, needless to say, but he was not a

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terrible he was he was a probably the most important Russian czar in history. And so the rubrics who

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ruled Russia for 21 generations, they had a historical seat of power, this metaphorical

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global historical table, and the Queen of England, needless to say as well, and she died.

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And the problem right now is to find the people, okay, to sit down at this power table and to

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discuss what this future will look like. And the problem, the the main problem right now for most

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players is that economically, there we don't have a language to explain what's going on my language,

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I don't mean English or, or French or German or Russian or Chinese. I'm talking about the language

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of economics. There's no language to explain that no one can explain in the West, or answer a very

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simple question, ladies and gentlemen, what the hell is going on, they can't explain, they can't

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answer that question. They don't know because their language is based on a model which today is on its

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deathbed. Okay, and I explained it, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, the last time when I said

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you had two economic models, the Western capitalist between the end of World War II in 1991, and Soviet

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socialist. And both of these models were based on different sets of values. The West was based on

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cornerstones, freedom of speech, private property, and the Soviet Union satellites, it had common

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good. And these two models coexisted, and each was based on different values, each had its own

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language. And then in 1991, these two models merged into one, and they merged into one not because the

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Soviet Union and its model wasn't working. In fact, in 1991, the country was growing 11% per year.

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What you didn't have in the Soviet Union is private property, in other words, a bureaucrat, which in

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most cases, had more power than any president in the United States. Okay, he couldn't after dying,

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leave something for his children from everything he was able to steal, because everything belonged

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to everybody. So in order to have something you could give to your descendants, you needed to

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dismantle the country from within. I mean, you couldn't destroy a Soviet Union from without,

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when the country had a five million standing army, and more nuclear weapons than the entire collection

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of all the other countries in the world. You could only destroy it from within. And so that was done,

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that's one of the reasons why I have so many billionaires and oligarchs in Russia, because they

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stole everything we watched and attached to the floor. So the idea is that these two models became

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one global liberal banking financier model, and the West, because again, capitalist model is a very

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dynamic model, the West controlled between the end of World War II in 1991, 60% of global economy,

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and the Soviet Union satellites 40%. But between 1991 and 2007, the West expanded into Soviet space,

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and in 17 years conquered 40% of the global markets and filled it with stuff, because it's

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a very dynamic model. But in 2008, they call it the Lehman Brothers Collapse, the subprime crisis.

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It wasn't that, it was just the beginning of the end. So we have a metaphorical patient

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who went to a hospital with a sore throat, and 14 years later, that patient is on his deathbed,

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it's just a matter of time, be it two weeks, two months, three months, it doesn't matter.

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Okay, the model is dead, there's absolutely no way to save the economy, which has a four

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quadrillion dollar debt. That's four and 15 zeros. And so what do they want? They want force majeure,

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what's force majeure? Global thermonuclear war. Okay, so you can write up, you know,

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four quadrillion dollars, if you want to kill four or five billion people, they don't care,

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they're psychopaths. Why do you think, you know, the global elite, the Peter Thiel's, the owner

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of PayPal, the Gateses, the businesses are buying so much land and building underground bunkers,

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which are, you know, thousands and thousands of acres, because they understand what's coming down.

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And so the idea is you have, you know, global hunger. The UN said, this year, you're gonna have

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1.7 billion people not gonna have enough food to eat. Okay, and so if you kill four or five billion

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people, well, you solve a lot of different problems at the same time, as far as the elite

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concerned, needless to say. And so what we see again, so again, when you look at it from that

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dimension, the COVID thing is a joke. Okay, it's, I'm not making fun of COVID, I'm making fun of the

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fact that you'll think that this is, you know, end of be all of what we're seeing right now, it's not.

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The global picture is very different, and they need to understand this. And so the problem today

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is we have no language to explain this, what's happening around us. And that means that we're,

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you know, staring down the barrel of a global collapse of biblical proportions, because again,

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what we're seeing today has only happened twice in the last 2000 years. The first time between

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the fourth and the sixth century, when the old Roman Empire collapsed, and then it gave eventually

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its way to feudalism, and then 1000 years later, between the 16th and the 17th centuries,

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when feudalism collapsed and gave way to modern day capitalism, which today is on its deathbed.

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And so we need to define what this world is going to look like. And what you're seeing right now in

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the Ukraine, okay, is an intent to define this post future world, post conflict, post hunger,

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post biblical collapse. It's no longer going to be a unipolar world. It's going to be a very

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different world from anything we've seen thus far. And so again, I've talked about this, I'm not sure

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if I've spoken to this group about it, I've done so in my bulletins for my subscribers or interviews,

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but we talked about, we went from global 1.0, which is, let's just, you know, how would you

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define this, the world of Westphalia, 1648 until the late 1960s of the 20th century.

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And then in 1968, the Bilderberg Conference in Montreux Blanc, one of the outskirts of

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Montreal, where, you know, my family and I were going to go skiing when the whole COVID thing started,

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they defined a new concept, and they called it One World Company Limited. In other words, corporations

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that have more power than any government on the planet. We have examples of that today,

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we have BlackRock, we have Vanguard Group, etc. etc. Okay. And so today, so we've gone from

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an industrial world, which everyone understands, well, that is to post industrial, which basically,

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you know, playing with numbers on a computer screen. So people tell me, have you know,

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a quadrillion dollars, you have nothing, you have numbers zeros on a screen. It's nothing. It's not

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a physical good. And so today, so we've gone from physical economy, industrial, to post industrial,

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and now we're coming to the sixth technological paradigm, which is trans industrial economy.

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And that's robotics, virtual reality, artificial intelligence, distance learning, smart contracts,

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you know, end of Habou Rabi laws. In other words, everything we've seen as far as the laws

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from 1762 before, you know, for Christ to now, that's 3800 years, that's gone. Why? Because we're

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coming into the age of transhumanism, post humanism. And so when you put it in context,

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they need all these things. And there's a term for it called Greek paradigms. In other words,

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ask, imagine you're walking up the stairs, as you keep walking up the stairs, each step is a

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techno paradigm. And for you to start going to a higher, higher level, you need to destroy everything

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which was built before. And that's what they're doing right now. They're dismantling the industrial

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and the post industrial world in order to build up this trans industrial world. We have, you know,

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robots, man machines, cyborgs, all kinds of things, artificial intelligence, or basically

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things which are not dependent on the human beings. And so for them to actually get to that,

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they need to dismantle this world. And COVID is just, you know, an excuse, an element,

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okay, a tool for the dismantling. It works very, very well. Okay, it achieved many different

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objectives, because again, you kind of have to look at it as an intel operation. And in intelligence,

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in any kind of intel operation, there are a lot of different groups with different interests,

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because it costs a lot of money. And for make it work, everybody puts something into the kitty.

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And everybody gets something out of it. Whether we're talking about World Economic Forum,

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World Health Organization, the governments, you know, the supranational structures,

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the global control grid, etc, etc. Okay, and so this is where we are today. So whenever you're

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discussing anything, I don't care how important it is, you have to look at the bigger picture from a

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conceptual point of view. That's my advice. And I gotta go. But anyway, one last comment, those who

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are interested in following what I do, you can go on my webpage, it's estulin.media. E-S-T-U-L-I-N,

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that's my last name. Estulin.media. Okay, and we have all kinds of things with audios for...

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Daniel, can I just say one thing? These guys who are conducting this undeclared war on humanity,

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that's the result of it anyway. Who do they think they are? So I see a world, I see technology out

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of control. Oh, absolutely. Technology is out of control. So human beings, they like stability,

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they don't like change. And then all of a sudden, technology is allowed to go out completely out of

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control. And the whole our environment is changing so rapidly, that we're not able to adapt,

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as we were, nevermind as it will be. So who do these people think they are?

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Well, they are the rulers of the world, Steven. I mean, they've ruled, again, if you, again,

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it's a conversation for another day. But just to give you an idea, you know, the people who

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run Switzerland today are the high priests who controlled Egypt 3000 years ago. That hasn't

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changed. One of the reasons you can't touch Switzerland, whether you're Napoleon or Hitler,

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you can't touch it. Okay, people may not understand it. Okay, it's not some kind of a Jewish

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conspiracy. But the people who run Switzerland today, they're the direct descendants of the high

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priests who control Egypt, who control Egypt, the pharaohs now, the high priests control Egypt.

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And they're the same people who control the countries today, especially Switzerland, which

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is the epicenter of the entire syllabus. But Daniel, what's unique to what's going on now

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is the rapidity of changes. So for example, my grandmother lived to 103. And she lived through

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the biggest changes that anyone's ever seen. But how on earth can you expect human beings to adapt

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to a rapidly changing environment? And they don't want you to adapt. They don't need a billion

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people. They need to kill 7 billion. They have no need for 8 billion people. Okay, well, look,

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if you're looking at from our perspective, it's like, I don't want to die. Okay, I mean,

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I still have a few years left, hopefully. Yeah, but they're not going to survive either.

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Steven, the thing is, and again, we can talk about it the next time if you want,

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the whole idea of the sixth and seventh technological paradigm. One of the reasons,

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let me explain this and then I really got to go. One of the reasons, okay, and you guys have

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talked about this, where injecting microchips and changing your DNA, there's a reason for that.

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Okay, it's not a wild conspiracy theory. If you can't build anything on the planet earth,

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because we reached the limit, okay, of space on the planet earth, we basically built everything

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that can be built and stolen everything can be stolen here. You can't expand more than the

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space itself. And so for you to build, you need to build out which is up there or down there.

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But we as a human body, we can't live in space. We're not made to live in space. So for us to live

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in space, and that's the seventh technological paradigm, okay, based on the moon, you know,

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the space travel, etc, etc. They need to change our body and turn it into something else. And

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that's one of the key reasons why they're changing our DNA to make it more adaptable to living in

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space. And this isn't a new project has been around for a long time, except now they have

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the technology to do this, because technological growth is exponential, it's not linear. And so

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they can absolutely do this. And again, if you're seeing what has been done with COVID,

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okay, it's a step in the direction of the sixth technological paradigm. Okay, it's again, people

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may not understand, but this is exactly what has been done. And again, thank you so much for giving

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your time to listen to me. If you're interested to learn more, it's sjolim.media. And if you guys

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want to ask me a question, you can send me an email. And I think Stephen gave you my email

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is daniel.sjolim.es at gmail.com. Daniel, very quickly, would you come back in the next few weeks

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to take questions on the what you said? A few weeks will be difficult because I have

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two trips to Latin America to work with presidents there. But we can definitely do something in

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November. Very good. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Daniel. Great job. Thank you.

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Thank you, Daniel.