1 0:00:00 --> 0:00:04 Wonderful to see you all. Welcome, Michelle, from Canberra. 2 0:00:04 --> 0:00:08 So I'm, if you're, if this is new, 3 0:00:08 --> 0:00:11 if you're new, please introduce yourself. 4 0:00:11 --> 0:00:13 I'll also say that a bit later, 5 0:00:14 --> 0:00:18 but lovely to, lovely to have you all here, 6 0:00:18 --> 0:00:22 survive the weekend, although in the UK it's now, 7 0:00:22 --> 0:00:25 what is it, 8pm? 9pm? 8 0:00:26 --> 0:00:27 9pm, yeah. 9 0:00:28 --> 0:00:29 Excellent. Hello, Stephen. 10 0:00:30 --> 0:00:31 Hi. 11 0:00:32 --> 0:00:33 Thank you, Mark, for coming. 12 0:00:36 --> 0:00:38 Yeah, no problem. Thank you for the invite. 13 0:00:40 --> 0:00:42 Nine o'clock in the morning there, is it? 14 0:00:44 --> 0:00:47 Yeah, it is. Yep. Just, we've got three kids, 15 0:00:47 --> 0:00:51 so I've just sorted them all out and Sam's got them nice and quiet. 16 0:00:51 --> 0:00:54 So hopefully you won't hear too much noise in the background. 17 0:00:56 --> 0:00:57 Yeah, thank you. 18 0:01:01 --> 0:01:02 Charles, are you there? 19 0:01:05 --> 0:01:06 We lost Charles, have we? 20 0:01:08 --> 0:01:09 No, no, he's back. He's back. 21 0:01:10 --> 0:01:11 He says the wrong thing. 22 0:01:14 --> 0:01:15 All right. 23 0:01:16 --> 0:01:17 Well, we've had no news in Australia. 24 0:01:17 --> 0:01:19 Australia hasn't sunk into the water yet. 25 0:01:21 --> 0:01:25 But Sky News, the world, according to Rowan Dean, 26 0:01:25 --> 0:01:27 Rowan is the editor of The Spectator in Australia, 27 0:01:28 --> 0:01:31 is doing some pretty powerful stuff on mainstream 28 0:01:32 --> 0:01:36 media that is absolutely hammering 29 0:01:37 --> 0:01:39 hammering the government narrative. 30 0:01:41 --> 0:01:44 So I'm wondering how to get a summary of that. 31 0:01:44 --> 0:01:47 Mark Bailey, I don't know if you get the world, 32 0:01:47 --> 0:01:50 according to Rowan Dean, in New Zealand. 33 0:01:50 --> 0:01:54 Probably don't. It's probably it's probably censored by Queen 34 0:01:54 --> 0:01:55 Jacinda. 35 0:01:57 --> 0:02:00 Yeah, it's not something I'm familiar with, but 36 0:02:01 --> 0:02:05 I mean, here in New Zealand, if you're on a VPN, you can access anything. 37 0:02:06 --> 0:02:10 All right. Well, I'll bring that to everyone's attention because Rowan, 38 0:02:10 --> 0:02:15 it's very heartwarming to see what he's saying on the Murdoch, 39 0:02:16 --> 0:02:17 you know, on the Murdoch Sky News. 40 0:02:18 --> 0:02:22 So, you know, whilst 41 0:02:22 --> 0:02:26 mainstream media won't say it, Rowan certainly does. 42 0:02:26 --> 0:02:30 All right, let's get into it, everybody. 43 0:02:31 --> 0:02:34 Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics. 44 0:02:34 --> 0:02:39 I'm Charles Curvesse. In Australia, I'm Australia's passion provocateur. 45 0:02:40 --> 0:02:42 This is a place of passion. 46 0:02:42 --> 0:02:45 And Stephen Frost started this group to 47 0:02:46 --> 0:02:51 enable a place for people to fight for, to discuss, to speak truth. 48 0:02:52 --> 0:02:56 To fight for freedom, fight for justice, to fight against breaches of the 49 0:02:56 --> 0:02:59 Nuremberg Code that have been apparent to all in sundry. 50 0:03:01 --> 0:03:02 We have lots of professions here, Mark. 51 0:03:03 --> 0:03:07 You've probably been here over the journey, but we've got doctors and lawyers 52 0:03:07 --> 0:03:11 and journalists. I used to be a lawyer, but now I'm a legal strategist. 53 0:03:12 --> 0:03:16 Engineers, writers, researchers, nurses, dentists, 54 0:03:16 --> 0:03:20 investors, financiers, plenty of troublemakers here, Mark, as well. 55 0:03:20 --> 0:03:23 Like you and Sam, you know, people, 56 0:03:23 --> 0:03:28 plenty of people on this group get criticised by others for not complying 57 0:03:28 --> 0:03:31 with, not complying with what the government says. 58 0:03:32 --> 0:03:35 We're here in a true spirit of science and discovery. 59 0:03:35 --> 0:03:40 And, Mark, your topic is really one that I'm delighted to have it 60 0:03:40 --> 0:03:45 because it's a great practice area for all of us to listen to people 61 0:03:45 --> 0:03:48 and explore why people believe different things to each other. 62 0:03:48 --> 0:03:50 That's what science is about. 63 0:03:51 --> 0:03:53 Most of us understand we're here in World War Three. 64 0:03:54 --> 0:03:56 We go for two and a half hours, Mark. 65 0:03:56 --> 0:03:58 I hope we can have you. We stop at two and a half hours. 66 0:03:58 --> 0:04:01 But if you have to go earlier, we understand. 67 0:04:01 --> 0:04:05 You present as long as you like, and then we'll have Q&A and discussion. 68 0:04:06 --> 0:04:09 And then at the two and a half hour, Mark, 69 0:04:09 --> 0:04:12 and we will stop sharp five minutes before that, 70 0:04:12 --> 0:04:15 because I have to do another presentation at nine thirty this morning. 71 0:04:16 --> 0:04:21 And then we go to a telegram group, a video telegram group, 72 0:04:21 --> 0:04:24 which is less structured. 73 0:04:25 --> 0:04:27 Everyone is welcome to do that. 74 0:04:27 --> 0:04:30 There's no censorship, but there's proper moderation. 75 0:04:30 --> 0:04:33 And some people think that if they're not allowed to talk 76 0:04:33 --> 0:04:35 whenever they want to talk, that's censorship. 77 0:04:35 --> 0:04:37 No, it's not. It's moderation. 78 0:04:37 --> 0:04:40 So just be aware of that. 79 0:04:40 --> 0:04:42 Free speech is crucial on this platform. 80 0:04:43 --> 0:04:51 And being, you know, the the this this discussion group helps you 81 0:04:51 --> 0:04:55 to explore what you actually believe about the issues that Mark 82 0:04:55 --> 0:04:59 and all of our wonderful presenters are going to be sharing with you. 83 0:04:59 --> 0:05:03 So check into your beliefs, you know, and then you say, I'm offended 84 0:05:03 --> 0:05:06 because Mark says something or a speaker says something 85 0:05:06 --> 0:05:09 is contrary to my beliefs. Good. That's what science is about. 86 0:05:10 --> 0:05:14 We come from love, love, not fear. 87 0:05:14 --> 0:05:18 If you come from fear, your capability is so diminished. 88 0:05:18 --> 0:05:20 And that's why I have a passion for blockade, too, 89 0:05:20 --> 0:05:23 because passion comes from your soul and love comes from your soul. 90 0:05:23 --> 0:05:27 And when you do what you love doing, life changes. 91 0:05:27 --> 0:05:31 And I'm absolutely satisfied, Mark, that you, Mark Bailey, Mark Dye. 92 0:05:31 --> 0:05:32 We're not talking about Mark today, Mark. 93 0:05:32 --> 0:05:35 It means Mark Bailey, OK? 94 0:05:35 --> 0:05:41 But you and Sam are both are both two wonderful practitioners 95 0:05:42 --> 0:05:46 who are passionate about what you're doing and showing enormous courage. 96 0:05:46 --> 0:05:50 And that's the other that's the other element I wish to bring to your attention. 97 0:05:50 --> 0:05:53 That passion, when you're passionate about something, 98 0:05:53 --> 0:05:57 it's the source of your courage and the word courage. 99 0:05:57 --> 0:06:00 The etymology of courage comes from the French word, 100 0:06:00 --> 0:06:03 cour, from a Latin core meaning heart. 101 0:06:03 --> 0:06:06 So when you come from your heart space, that gives you 102 0:06:06 --> 0:06:10 that's the source of your courage to fight the fear. 103 0:06:10 --> 0:06:13 If there's no fear, you don't need courage. 104 0:06:13 --> 0:06:16 And so this group twice a week comes together. 105 0:06:17 --> 0:06:21 And this encourages us to speak what's true for us. 106 0:06:22 --> 0:06:25 And, you know, and we encourage Stephen to keep fighting the fight. 107 0:06:25 --> 0:06:30 We encourage each other to keep fighting the fight and not be squashed by fear. 108 0:06:30 --> 0:06:34 So welcome. If you are first, if this is your first time, 109 0:06:34 --> 0:06:39 please introduce yourself, please put your proper name on the description of you. 110 0:06:39 --> 0:06:42 And we'll listen to Mark. 111 0:06:42 --> 0:06:46 And then at the end of that, we do a Q&A with put your hands up 112 0:06:46 --> 0:06:50 on the reactions tab at the bottom of the screen and put 113 0:06:50 --> 0:06:53 and keep sharing the wonderful information in the chat. 114 0:06:53 --> 0:06:56 So Mark Bailey, Dr. Mark Bailey from New Zealand. 115 0:06:57 --> 0:07:00 Who's by the way, I think has lived in Melbourne, 116 0:07:00 --> 0:07:02 the lockdown capital of the world. 117 0:07:02 --> 0:07:05 But, golly, gosh, I think New Zealand is the is the 118 0:07:06 --> 0:07:10 totalitarian center of the world, almost with Queen Jacinda. 119 0:07:10 --> 0:07:12 So Mark Bailey, over to you and welcome. 120 0:07:14 --> 0:07:15 Well, thank you, Charles. 121 0:07:15 --> 0:07:19 And also thank you to Stephen Frost for the invitation to talk today. 122 0:07:20 --> 0:07:23 This is my first time as part of this group, 123 0:07:23 --> 0:07:25 and I'm not sure of your usual format. 124 0:07:25 --> 0:07:30 So what I will do is just do some open introductory 125 0:07:31 --> 0:07:35 comments, and I'm really happy to take questions and do some answers today, 126 0:07:35 --> 0:07:41 because what I find with this topic of viral existence 127 0:07:41 --> 0:07:45 is that most of you probably see that there are problems 128 0:07:45 --> 0:07:49 with the virus hypothesis, that there may be one or two sticking points 129 0:07:49 --> 0:07:54 which still convince people that the viral theory is correct. 130 0:07:55 --> 0:07:59 And there's been a number of people in the health freedom community 131 0:08:00 --> 0:08:03 that we've communicated with over the last couple of years, 132 0:08:03 --> 0:08:06 who often there is there's just one thing that has kept them 133 0:08:07 --> 0:08:11 from coming into the camp, if you like, to realize that 134 0:08:11 --> 0:08:14 the virus theory is completely broken. 135 0:08:14 --> 0:08:17 So, as I say, I'm really happy to to address questions 136 0:08:17 --> 0:08:20 because I'm sure there will be a lot of them. 137 0:08:20 --> 0:08:24 So my background, I trained as a conventional doctor 138 0:08:24 --> 0:08:29 here in New Zealand and graduated in 1999 as a medical student. 139 0:08:30 --> 0:08:34 I had the speed wobbles with whether or not I was going to be an allopathic doctor. 140 0:08:35 --> 0:08:39 I became aware of material that we weren't supposed to read. 141 0:08:39 --> 0:08:43 We were not encouraged to read at medical school from practitioners 142 0:08:43 --> 0:08:47 who had been through the medical system and then rejected it completely 143 0:08:48 --> 0:08:52 with regards to germ theory and vaccinations in particular. 144 0:08:53 --> 0:08:56 I was actually one of the last students in my year 145 0:08:57 --> 0:09:01 that wasn't fully vaccinated, going into clinical work. 146 0:09:02 --> 0:09:05 And I almost didn't get vaccinated. 147 0:09:06 --> 0:09:10 But in order to complete my medical training, I had to, 148 0:09:11 --> 0:09:15 unfortunately, submit to getting the Jabs 149 0:09:15 --> 0:09:18 when I was probably about 19 or 20 years old. 150 0:09:19 --> 0:09:22 But that was kind of my first experience of something 151 0:09:22 --> 0:09:25 where I thought this just doesn't seem quite right. 152 0:09:26 --> 0:09:29 The personal choice seemed to be violated. 153 0:09:29 --> 0:09:33 But we were told that if we didn't do this, we were putting our patients at risk, 154 0:09:33 --> 0:09:36 et cetera, even if it wasn't putting ourselves at risk. 155 0:09:37 --> 0:09:41 I worked for a couple of years full time in the medical system 156 0:09:41 --> 0:09:46 and then actually became a professional athlete for five years doing duathlon, 157 0:09:47 --> 0:09:50 which is similar to triathlon, but in the run bike run format. 158 0:09:50 --> 0:09:55 And absolutely loved that five years of learning the limits 159 0:09:55 --> 0:10:01 of what my body could do and became one of the fittest individuals on the planet. 160 0:10:02 --> 0:10:06 It was also interesting to me during that time, I kept my medical license 161 0:10:06 --> 0:10:08 and was practicing a couple of days a week. 162 0:10:08 --> 0:10:14 But it also struck me around that time that the pharmaceuticals 163 0:10:14 --> 0:10:19 and surgical interventions we were doing on our patients 164 0:10:19 --> 0:10:22 were not something that I would be willing to undergo. 165 0:10:22 --> 0:10:26 And certainly none of the medications I would take put into my body 166 0:10:26 --> 0:10:29 and many of the procedures I was witnessing, there's no way 167 0:10:30 --> 0:10:32 I would subject myself to them either. 168 0:10:32 --> 0:10:36 So, again, that was a little bit of a crisis point for me, 169 0:10:36 --> 0:10:41 realizing that I just kind of was not 170 0:10:41 --> 0:10:43 there was not a comfortable fit within the medical system. 171 0:10:43 --> 0:10:46 I had lost faith in it. 172 0:10:46 --> 0:10:51 But in 2007, came back into the system and trained extensively 173 0:10:51 --> 0:10:56 in musculoskeletal medicine, where I felt we were doing the least amount of harm 174 0:10:56 --> 0:11:00 to patients. We were very much conservative, conservative 175 0:11:00 --> 0:11:03 treatment based in the US. 176 0:11:03 --> 0:11:08 It's called physiatry, I believe, is the equivalent to what I was doing. 177 0:11:09 --> 0:11:14 And but increasingly over the next eight or nine years, I got 178 0:11:14 --> 0:11:18 into a lot of conflicts with colleagues, particularly 179 0:11:19 --> 0:11:23 orthopedic surgeons who I used to work with, who I could clearly see 180 0:11:23 --> 0:11:26 were doing procedures that had no basis in evidence. 181 0:11:26 --> 0:11:29 And yet they were saying that they were getting great results, 182 0:11:30 --> 0:11:32 which clearly wasn't the reality. 183 0:11:33 --> 0:11:38 And that was my first introduction into actually analyzing scientific 184 0:11:38 --> 0:11:41 literature to see where the evidence lay. 185 0:11:42 --> 0:11:46 And probably orthopedics for me was the first scandal, 186 0:11:47 --> 0:11:51 if you like, realizing that potentially 80, 90 percent 187 0:11:51 --> 0:11:55 plus of the surgery they were doing had absolutely no basis 188 0:11:55 --> 0:11:57 in scientific evidence. 189 0:11:57 --> 0:11:59 And when I used to call up the surgeons on this, 190 0:12:00 --> 0:12:03 like the first chat I had to one was actually a friend of mine 191 0:12:04 --> 0:12:07 who was doing a lot of anterior cruciate ligament reconstructions. 192 0:12:08 --> 0:12:12 I pointed out to him that there was no randomized control study 193 0:12:12 --> 0:12:16 ever in history that had established that the procedure was useful. 194 0:12:16 --> 0:12:20 And yet here in New Zealand, they were being done by the thousands 195 0:12:20 --> 0:12:22 and around the world. 196 0:12:22 --> 0:12:26 Not only that, they were often funded by insurers and national health schemes. 197 0:12:26 --> 0:12:31 And I looked up some of the national protocols here in New Zealand 198 0:12:31 --> 0:12:34 and found out that they had no evidence at all. 199 0:12:34 --> 0:12:36 It was all expert opinion. 200 0:12:36 --> 0:12:39 And then that led me to look into other procedures 201 0:12:39 --> 0:12:41 and other fields, including cardiology. 202 0:12:42 --> 0:12:45 And what I established pretty quickly and was disgusted with 203 0:12:45 --> 0:12:48 was that a large amount of what takes place in medicine 204 0:12:48 --> 0:12:51 is just based on expert opinion. 205 0:12:51 --> 0:12:53 That's the level of evidence they operate at, 206 0:12:54 --> 0:12:56 which is basically no evidence at all. 207 0:12:56 --> 0:13:00 It's just self-interest groups making money in a living 208 0:13:00 --> 0:13:02 out of procedures that have no basis in science. 209 0:13:03 --> 0:13:09 So by this stage, I was pretty disenchanted with medicine. 210 0:13:09 --> 0:13:12 And in 2016, I'd had enough. 211 0:13:12 --> 0:13:17 I turned 40 that year and decided that I'd get out of the medical system. 212 0:13:18 --> 0:13:21 Now, my wife, Sam, she's six years younger. 213 0:13:21 --> 0:13:25 And I at the time, I told her in 2016, 214 0:13:25 --> 0:13:27 I think you should get out of the system, too. 215 0:13:27 --> 0:13:29 I think the whole thing is going to collapse. 216 0:13:29 --> 0:13:32 I think it's going to turn bad. 217 0:13:32 --> 0:13:35 But she had a research job that she really loved. 218 0:13:35 --> 0:13:38 A lot of patients were absolutely adored her. 219 0:13:38 --> 0:13:42 And she's one of those rare doctors that in her entire 220 0:13:42 --> 0:13:47 practicing career had never had a complaint from any patient, not once. 221 0:13:48 --> 0:13:52 And obviously, later on, the authorities went after her, 222 0:13:52 --> 0:13:53 but it was none of her patients. 223 0:13:53 --> 0:13:56 They were all completely happy with her. 224 0:13:56 --> 0:13:59 But anyway, she elected to keep going in medicine. 225 0:13:59 --> 0:14:03 And she did a couple of different things, including 226 0:14:04 --> 0:14:07 research clinical trials, which I'd also been involved with for a couple of years. 227 0:14:08 --> 0:14:11 And then we got to end of 2019. 228 0:14:12 --> 0:14:17 And by that stage, I was so out of medicine that I didn't look at anything. 229 0:14:17 --> 0:14:20 I still had some colleagues in medicine that I talked to every now and then 230 0:14:20 --> 0:14:22 and catch up on what was going on. 231 0:14:22 --> 0:14:25 But personally, I had nothing to do with medicine at all. 232 0:14:26 --> 0:14:29 And then in late 2019, we start hearing 233 0:14:29 --> 0:14:32 rumors that there's something happening in Wuhan. 234 0:14:33 --> 0:14:35 People are dropping dead in the streets. 235 0:14:35 --> 0:14:39 Then we hear that there's a new coronavirus apparently on the loose. 236 0:14:40 --> 0:14:43 And around that time, Sam had just started her YouTube channel 237 0:14:44 --> 0:14:48 and was mostly talking about mainstream medical matters 238 0:14:48 --> 0:14:51 and quickly picked up a huge following. 239 0:14:51 --> 0:14:54 She was picking up at one stage thousands of subscribers per day. 240 0:14:55 --> 0:15:00 And when when we noticed in early 2020 241 0:15:00 --> 0:15:03 that things just didn't add up with the stories coming out of Wuhan, 242 0:15:04 --> 0:15:08 she decided to pivot with their channel and start communicating information 243 0:15:08 --> 0:15:13 about this COVID-19 situation to the rest of the world. 244 0:15:13 --> 0:15:17 So one of the first things we did in early 2020 245 0:15:17 --> 0:15:23 was read the WHO report on the COVID-19 situation. 246 0:15:23 --> 0:15:28 And again, what struck me was when I read that report, there was nowhere in it. 247 0:15:28 --> 0:15:33 There was no scientific publications that showed me that a virus existed 248 0:15:33 --> 0:15:38 or that there was any contagion, that there was anything passing around 249 0:15:38 --> 0:15:41 between people. It was all complete speculation. 250 0:15:41 --> 0:15:46 The references that were given did not back up any of the speculations 251 0:15:46 --> 0:15:48 that they had made in their report. 252 0:15:48 --> 0:15:51 And this led us on the pathway. 253 0:15:52 --> 0:15:57 To what we basically currently do, which is look into the existence of viruses, 254 0:15:57 --> 0:16:02 the concept of germ theory, the concept of contagion. 255 0:16:02 --> 0:16:10 And it led us to our current position, which is that not only do viruses not exist, 256 0:16:11 --> 0:16:15 but the whole concept of contagion is completely fallacious. 257 0:16:15 --> 0:16:19 And there's not one scrap of scientific evidence that you can find, 258 0:16:20 --> 0:16:24 which would show that transmission of microbes between humans 259 0:16:25 --> 0:16:27 actually occurs and causes disease. 260 0:16:29 --> 0:16:36 So what I guess what influenced us early on too in 2020 261 0:16:36 --> 0:16:38 was the work of the Perth Group. 262 0:16:39 --> 0:16:45 And we obviously, as medical students and doctors, were not 263 0:16:46 --> 0:16:50 certainly not shown that there were theories which contradicted mainstream 264 0:16:50 --> 0:16:54 beliefs about alleged viruses such as HIV. 265 0:16:55 --> 0:16:58 And what impressed us with the Perth Group was how they systematically 266 0:16:58 --> 0:17:04 went through publications one by one and just explained why they didn't 267 0:17:04 --> 0:17:10 follow the scientific method and why the claims, whether it was in the abstract 268 0:17:10 --> 0:17:16 or the headlines, simply did not match, you know, what the actual methodology 269 0:17:16 --> 0:17:17 of the paper showed. 270 0:17:17 --> 0:17:22 And we quickly learned that that was what we needed to do with virology 271 0:17:22 --> 0:17:28 and contagion and germ theory in general was going back through the trails. 272 0:17:28 --> 0:17:35 So we start with the CDC and or some organisation, some the WHO, any of them. 273 0:17:36 --> 0:17:41 And we look at their references and follow the scientific trail right back to 274 0:17:41 --> 0:17:46 the start, which sometimes if it's something like alleged coronaviruses, 275 0:17:46 --> 0:17:49 most of it goes back to about the middle and last century. 276 0:17:50 --> 0:17:55 If we look at older alleged viruses such as tobacco and mosaic virus, the literature 277 0:17:55 --> 0:17:57 goes back to the late 1800s. 278 0:17:57 --> 0:18:02 And in every case, and we've done this with dozens and dozens of viruses now, 279 0:18:02 --> 0:18:07 following the trail right back to the start, we can see that at no point did any 280 0:18:07 --> 0:18:11 of them establish something that meets the description of a virus. 281 0:18:12 --> 0:18:17 So at this point, we should probably explain what a virus actually is, because 282 0:18:17 --> 0:18:23 what is intriguing is that when I ask doctors to describe what a virus is, you 283 0:18:23 --> 0:18:28 get a mumbo jumbo response from many of them, unfortunately, and they don't 284 0:18:28 --> 0:18:30 actually specify exactly what they're talking about. 285 0:18:31 --> 0:18:37 So a virus by definition, and I'm talking about the modern definition, is a tiny, 286 0:18:38 --> 0:18:43 tiny particle, you know, in the order of 100 nanometers around that kind of size 287 0:18:43 --> 0:18:51 for ones like the alleged SARS-CoV-2 virus, a proteinaceous shell within which 288 0:18:51 --> 0:18:59 is a genome that not only encodes its protein shell, but encodes all of the 289 0:18:59 --> 0:19:03 genetic information that the alleged virus needs. 290 0:19:04 --> 0:19:09 It's supposed to be an obligate intracellular parasite, so it needs to go 291 0:19:09 --> 0:19:12 inside a cell to be able to replicate. 292 0:19:12 --> 0:19:13 It's infectious. 293 0:19:13 --> 0:19:15 It can pass between hosts. 294 0:19:16 --> 0:19:20 And not only that, but it's disease causing. 295 0:19:20 --> 0:19:22 So it's not just associated with the process. 296 0:19:22 --> 0:19:28 It has to actually be the pathogenic factor, the factor that causes that disease. 297 0:19:29 --> 0:19:30 So how did we get here? 298 0:19:31 --> 0:19:38 Well, initially in the 1800s, there was a mistaken belief that bacteria and 299 0:19:38 --> 0:19:40 fungi were causing disease. 300 0:19:41 --> 0:19:45 And from that, and we can talk about that as to why that's false as well. 301 0:19:45 --> 0:19:50 But in any case, in many of the cases, so they'd have things like TB and other 302 0:19:50 --> 0:19:55 diseases, in which case they would be able to actually isolate, we're talking 303 0:19:55 --> 0:19:57 about properly isolate a microbe. 304 0:19:58 --> 0:20:02 So in the case of TB, that gets someone to cough up the specimen, they'd find 305 0:20:02 --> 0:20:05 the bacilli directly in the sputum. 306 0:20:05 --> 0:20:06 There'd be no problems with that. 307 0:20:07 --> 0:20:12 Then they could culture it, see that it could replicate, see that it was a 308 0:20:12 --> 0:20:13 living entity, et cetera. 309 0:20:14 --> 0:20:20 So the problem was with a lot of illness they were seeing, they couldn't find any 310 0:20:20 --> 0:20:23 particular bacteria associated with the illness. 311 0:20:24 --> 0:20:29 So what happened in the 1800s was that the investigators imagined that there 312 0:20:29 --> 0:20:33 was some other contagious element going on, something that couldn't be seen, 313 0:20:33 --> 0:20:38 something that was smaller than what the capabilities of the light microscope. 314 0:20:38 --> 0:20:43 So initially, if you look in the 1800s, they just, sorry, just get some water. 315 0:20:46 --> 0:20:51 So if you look in the 1800s, initially, what they talk about is a fluid 316 0:20:51 --> 0:20:54 contagium or a fluid contagiosum. 317 0:20:54 --> 0:20:58 So they're alleging that there's some kind of substance which is transmitting 318 0:20:59 --> 0:21:01 between hosts and causing disease. 319 0:21:01 --> 0:21:06 Then in the early 1900s, they start talking about an infectious protein. 320 0:21:07 --> 0:21:11 So they've gone off the idea of an actual fluid and now they're saying it's a 321 0:21:11 --> 0:21:18 rogue protein that is passing around and somehow able to replicate in the body. 322 0:21:19 --> 0:21:26 Then by the mid 1900s, we get the current model, which is the rogue genetic code 323 0:21:26 --> 0:21:31 model, which is the description of the virus, which I just described a bit earlier. 324 0:21:31 --> 0:21:35 And that's the one they've basically run with since the 1950s. 325 0:21:36 --> 0:21:41 The problem along the way, right from the start, so if you look right back to the 326 0:21:41 --> 0:21:47 first alleged discovery of a virus, which was the tobacco mosaic virus, was that you 327 0:21:47 --> 0:21:52 can read that paper and it may impress some people and it may sound like something 328 0:21:52 --> 0:21:56 was transmitting between the plants, but there's so many problems with it. 329 0:21:56 --> 0:22:01 I mean, I can't even believe that this is the basis of the virological model. 330 0:22:02 --> 0:22:08 For a start in the TMV paper, Ivernosky never showed that anything could pass 331 0:22:08 --> 0:22:11 between plants in a natural setting. 332 0:22:12 --> 0:22:17 So he had disease plants with tobacco mosaic virus disease, allegedly. 333 0:22:17 --> 0:22:22 And he would put them next to other plants, healthy plants, and nothing would happen. 334 0:22:23 --> 0:22:29 So then he worked out what you had to do was grind up the leaves of sick plants and 335 0:22:29 --> 0:22:34 then either rough up the leaves of another plant or inject the material directly into 336 0:22:34 --> 0:22:40 the other plant and expose them to the fluid, to this this mixture from the sick plant. 337 0:22:41 --> 0:22:44 So, I mean, that's problematic for a start because that that's not actually 338 0:22:45 --> 0:22:52 contagion. That's taking something directly from a sick entity and putting it inside 339 0:22:52 --> 0:22:55 another sick entity, which makes no sense whatsoever. 340 0:22:55 --> 0:23:01 I mean, it would be like taking if one of us was poisoned with arsenic, it would be 341 0:23:01 --> 0:23:07 like taking a lesion from our body where the arsenic is trying to come out and taking 342 0:23:07 --> 0:23:10 that sample and then injecting it into someone else and going, oh, there we go. 343 0:23:10 --> 0:23:13 It's made them sick. Therefore, it's a contagious element. 344 0:23:13 --> 0:23:19 That's not contagion because by definition, contagion is supposed to be infectious. 345 0:23:19 --> 0:23:22 It's supposed to come from a microbe. 346 0:23:22 --> 0:23:25 So direct inoculation is not contagion. 347 0:23:25 --> 0:23:27 So that's a very important point. 348 0:23:28 --> 0:23:33 The second point was, and this is pervasive now throughout the entire literature in 349 0:23:33 --> 0:23:37 virology, is that Ivanovsky didn't do any controlled experiments. 350 0:23:37 --> 0:23:43 He didn't just take plants which were alleged not to have tobacco mosaic virus and 351 0:23:43 --> 0:23:48 grind them up and do the same thing, which was, you know, injecting it directly into 352 0:23:48 --> 0:23:52 other plants. So there was nothing scientific about his experiment. 353 0:23:52 --> 0:23:58 It was simply a descriptive observation that he made without showing through the 354 0:23:58 --> 0:24:01 scientific method that there was anything transmitting. 355 0:24:02 --> 0:24:08 So then as we move through last century and the virologists realised that they were 356 0:24:08 --> 0:24:14 having problems because every time they did do a control experiment, it showed that 357 0:24:14 --> 0:24:19 there was nothing different between the experimental arm and the control arm. 358 0:24:19 --> 0:24:26 So what I'm saying here is that if you took a entity which you said had a viral 359 0:24:26 --> 0:24:30 disease, whether it's a human or an animal or plant, and then you took another 360 0:24:31 --> 0:24:36 comparable entity and compared the two by taking tissue samples from them, you couldn't 361 0:24:36 --> 0:24:38 really find anything different between the two of them. 362 0:24:39 --> 0:24:43 So that was their first problem because they were really hoping that you'd find 363 0:24:43 --> 0:24:45 something different between the two lots of tissue. 364 0:24:46 --> 0:24:53 And of course, when the electron microscope was invented around 1933, they thought they 365 0:24:53 --> 0:24:57 were going to solve this problem and they thought that we've got it now because we'll 366 0:24:57 --> 0:25:03 get someone with measles or mumps or any of these other alleged viral diseases and 367 0:25:03 --> 0:25:08 we'll take samples from them and we'll be able to find these particles directly 368 0:25:08 --> 0:25:10 inside the tissue sample. 369 0:25:10 --> 0:25:12 But of course, we now know that that didn't happen. 370 0:25:12 --> 0:25:17 They couldn't find viral particles in any sick entity. 371 0:25:18 --> 0:25:21 So once again, the hypothesis had refuted itself. 372 0:25:22 --> 0:25:30 To get around that problem, you'll probably know of John Enders and his famous 1950s 373 0:25:30 --> 0:25:32 experiments with the measles. 374 0:25:32 --> 0:25:41 So for 20 years, they tried their best to find viral particles directly in tissues 375 0:25:41 --> 0:25:42 and it completely failed. 376 0:25:42 --> 0:25:49 So then John Enders worked out in the 1950s that you could take various cell culture 377 0:25:49 --> 0:25:56 lines, often not human or not cell culture lines that were actually supposed to be 378 0:25:56 --> 0:25:58 infected by the alleged virus. 379 0:25:58 --> 0:26:05 But you could take things like monkey kidney cells or abnormal cancer cells, etc. 380 0:26:06 --> 0:26:13 And you could put samples from a human, say, like snot or lung fluid. 381 0:26:13 --> 0:26:20 And by doing a cell culture, you could show apparently that there were viral particles 382 0:26:20 --> 0:26:21 coming out of the cell. 383 0:26:22 --> 0:26:26 But once again, Enders completely failed to do any control experiments. 384 0:26:26 --> 0:26:33 He didn't just do one experimental arm where he took a sample from someone with 385 0:26:33 --> 0:26:35 measles and mixed it with a cell culture. 386 0:26:36 --> 0:26:41 What he should have done was do an equivalent experiment where he took a sample from a 387 0:26:41 --> 0:26:47 well person or someone with another type of disease and mix it with a cell culture 388 0:26:47 --> 0:26:49 and see if he got the same results. 389 0:26:50 --> 0:26:56 But the other virologists since that time, so for 70 years, they've simply repeated 390 0:26:56 --> 0:27:01 this process and not one of them has done valid control experiments. 391 0:27:02 --> 0:27:06 So wait a minute, people say, but I've read these papers and they say that they do 392 0:27:06 --> 0:27:08 do control experiments. 393 0:27:08 --> 0:27:11 Well, the problem with their control experiments is they're completely invalid. 394 0:27:11 --> 0:27:20 So to their control arms, and this is not just with cell culturing and aka isolation 395 0:27:20 --> 0:27:26 attempts. This is with genomics, antibody studies, everything they do within the 396 0:27:26 --> 0:27:27 paradigm of virology. 397 0:27:28 --> 0:27:31 Not one of them does a valid control experiment. 398 0:27:32 --> 0:27:41 So what you'll see is you might read, say, June 2020, Jennifer Harcourt, AL, CDC. 399 0:27:42 --> 0:27:47 They say we've isolated SARS-CoV-2, here's our cell culture, here's our genomics 400 0:27:47 --> 0:27:49 result, etc. 401 0:27:49 --> 0:27:55 But they say that they did a mock infection, but the mock infection is not a valid 402 0:27:55 --> 0:27:59 control because all they've added is culture media. 403 0:28:00 --> 0:28:04 They haven't added a tissue sample from a human. 404 0:28:04 --> 0:28:08 So you can't you can't compare the two with a control experiment. 405 0:28:09 --> 0:28:12 You need to alter one variable at a time. 406 0:28:12 --> 0:28:15 And in this case, so you need an independent variable. 407 0:28:15 --> 0:28:20 In this case, it should be the alleged virus that should be the only thing that 408 0:28:20 --> 0:28:22 changes between the two experiments. 409 0:28:22 --> 0:28:26 But you can already see if you've got your first experiment where you're adding a 410 0:28:26 --> 0:28:31 whole lot of muck, a whole lot of biological material from a human being, from a lung 411 0:28:31 --> 0:28:38 sample, etc., or a nasal swab, you can't compare that to a cell culture that doesn't 412 0:28:38 --> 0:28:40 contain any of that added material. 413 0:28:41 --> 0:28:47 So this is where the work of Christine Massey has been really, really important 414 0:28:47 --> 0:28:51 because Christine has written and her colleagues have written to these entities like 415 0:28:51 --> 0:28:58 the CDC and all of these organizations around the world and said, why don't you simply 416 0:28:58 --> 0:29:02 tell us what you did in your control experiment? 417 0:29:02 --> 0:29:09 And every time it's the same, either they disclose that they did an invalid experiment 418 0:29:09 --> 0:29:14 where they didn't have comparable controls, or unusually now we're starting to see some 419 0:29:14 --> 0:29:20 institutions refuse to even tell us what they did in their control experiment, which is 420 0:29:20 --> 0:29:21 completely bizarre. 421 0:29:22 --> 0:29:29 So, for instance, the United Kingdom Health Security Agency refused to disclose exactly 422 0:29:29 --> 0:29:33 what the control experiment was on the basis of national security. 423 0:29:33 --> 0:29:35 That was the excuse that they gave. 424 0:29:35 --> 0:29:41 So, I mean, you can see that they are completely covering up now the anti-science of 425 0:29:41 --> 0:29:42 what's been going on. 426 0:29:43 --> 0:29:46 And I mean, I think they've painted themselves into a corner, basically. 427 0:29:47 --> 0:29:54 So, yeah, and I'll briefly talk about genomics because that seems to be something that 428 0:29:54 --> 0:29:56 completely fools most people. 429 0:29:57 --> 0:30:01 People say, OK, look, there seems to be some problems with their cell cultures and 430 0:30:01 --> 0:30:03 isolation experiments, etc. 431 0:30:04 --> 0:30:10 But how on earth did they find the SARS-CoV-2 genome 13 million times all around the 432 0:30:10 --> 0:30:15 world, which has been deposited on websites like GSate, etc.? 433 0:30:16 --> 0:30:21 Well, the problem with those 13 million deposits is that, again, they're just repeating 434 0:30:21 --> 0:30:24 the same uncontrolled techniques that the first one did. 435 0:30:24 --> 0:30:30 So, if you've got an invalid technique at step one, it doesn't matter how many times 436 0:30:30 --> 0:30:34 you do it. You're just going around the same track again and again and again. 437 0:30:34 --> 0:30:39 And I think it's also a misunderstanding of what is actually being sequenced. 438 0:30:39 --> 0:30:42 I mean, nothing is being sequenced end to end. 439 0:30:43 --> 0:30:48 So, SARS-CoV-2 is supposed to be 30,000 nucleotides in length as the complete genome, 440 0:30:48 --> 0:30:50 but nobody's ever seen that genome. 441 0:30:50 --> 0:30:52 It's not been shown to exist. 442 0:30:52 --> 0:30:57 It only exists in computer models that have been put together. 443 0:30:57 --> 0:31:04 So, I think that's another point where people get confused is that they think that this 444 0:31:04 --> 0:31:08 is an end to end sequencing operation every time. 445 0:31:08 --> 0:31:11 And how could they keep finding the same thing over and over again? 446 0:31:12 --> 0:31:15 So, and the other problem with it, too, is that it doesn't even matter. 447 0:31:15 --> 0:31:17 I mean, I pointed this out multiple times. 448 0:31:17 --> 0:31:23 I don't... If you find the sequence in nature, even if it was shown to exist and it's 449 0:31:23 --> 0:31:26 complete length, it doesn't mean that you've got a virus. 450 0:31:27 --> 0:31:31 It doesn't mean that you've got a clinical disease like COVID-19. 451 0:31:31 --> 0:31:35 You'd have to do other things to establish that. 452 0:31:35 --> 0:31:42 So, yeah, this is, I don't know, I guess that's a 30 minute summary of maybe how we 453 0:31:42 --> 0:31:49 got here. But I'd be happy to start answering some questions because it looks like 454 0:31:49 --> 0:31:50 we've got a few coming in already. 455 0:31:50 --> 0:31:52 So, maybe if we start with Gary. 456 0:31:53 --> 0:31:56 No, Mark. I'll moderate it. 457 0:31:56 --> 0:32:00 I'll keep this mob under control for you so that you can enjoy yourself. 458 0:32:00 --> 0:32:07 And the other thing I forget to say to our guests is if you need to go to the toilet 459 0:32:07 --> 0:32:11 for a moment, please say, you know, drinking all that water to be healthy. 460 0:32:11 --> 0:32:13 You say, I've got to go out and do that. 461 0:32:13 --> 0:32:19 Don't... I also, I've been a triathlete for 35 years, not due atlons, but I've done the 462 0:32:19 --> 0:32:21 Ironman and many half Ironman. 463 0:32:21 --> 0:32:24 So well done on being fit and healthy. 464 0:32:25 --> 0:32:30 And indeed, this whole question of health is an interesting one, everybody, to to 465 0:32:30 --> 0:32:31 explore what that really means. 466 0:32:31 --> 0:32:37 I love, Mark, that you and Sam have have dedicated your life to say, what does it 467 0:32:37 --> 0:32:40 actually mean to reach the peak of health? 468 0:32:40 --> 0:32:47 And I did a speech on Saturday, 200 Lions Clubs members and looking at many fit and 469 0:32:47 --> 0:32:50 healthy people here versus unhealthy people. 470 0:32:50 --> 0:32:53 And you just look at the energy in people's eyes. 471 0:32:53 --> 0:32:58 I look at the energy in you and the courage that you have shown in your journey and your 472 0:32:58 --> 0:33:03 willingness to question. So before Stephen starts, my question to you is, did your 473 0:33:03 --> 0:33:08 parents go nuts with the questions you were asking of them and not accepting the status 474 0:33:08 --> 0:33:09 quo? 475 0:33:13 --> 0:33:14 Do you mean recently? 476 0:33:14 --> 0:33:19 When you were a kid, when you were a kid, were you willing to accept, willing to 477 0:33:19 --> 0:33:22 question the status quo, which is what you did when you went into medicine? 478 0:33:25 --> 0:33:31 Probably like my earlier teachers would have described me as the dream student 479 0:33:31 --> 0:33:37 because, you know, I was winning scholarships and they would just sit the exam 480 0:33:37 --> 0:33:40 papers and and I would get A pluses and stuff. 481 0:33:40 --> 0:33:46 But to be honest, I wasn't really when I was younger, like up until my teens, I wasn't 482 0:33:46 --> 0:33:47 really questioning things. 483 0:33:47 --> 0:33:52 So, you know, both Sam and I, we were Golden Boy and Golden Girl. 484 0:33:52 --> 0:33:55 We used to be feature on magazine covers. 485 0:33:55 --> 0:33:59 Sam was obviously on TV for a while as a presenter. 486 0:34:00 --> 0:34:07 But we found out once you go against the mainstream beliefs, they treat you as as 487 0:34:07 --> 0:34:12 you know, an absolute rogue basically. 488 0:34:17 --> 0:34:23 Many people on this call, Mark, have questioned the narrative and they have had 489 0:34:23 --> 0:34:26 that experience and they get excluded as as we know. 490 0:34:26 --> 0:34:31 So one of the interesting factors for all of us to understand is that whilst you 491 0:34:31 --> 0:34:35 might not get on the mainstream media, less than 30 percent of people actually follow 492 0:34:35 --> 0:34:36 the mainstream media. 493 0:34:36 --> 0:34:39 That's why the mainstream media is all losing money. 494 0:34:39 --> 0:34:42 So we think it's dominating the airwaves. 495 0:34:42 --> 0:34:44 And that's that's not true. 496 0:34:44 --> 0:34:45 That'd be an interesting piece of research. 497 0:34:45 --> 0:34:49 All right, Stephen Frost, I love that you're wearing your Wales rugby top. 498 0:34:50 --> 0:34:55 Obviously, you want to you want to intimidate this New Zealander here from the 499 0:34:55 --> 0:35:00 All Blacks. So, Stephen, so Mark, the way this goes, Stephen asks the first series of 500 0:35:00 --> 0:35:02 questions as the founder of the group. 501 0:35:02 --> 0:35:05 And then we'll go to Gary Finkelstein and on we go. 502 0:35:07 --> 0:35:08 Yeah, so thank you, Mark. 503 0:35:08 --> 0:35:11 That was a really terrific summary. 504 0:35:11 --> 0:35:17 And I noticed that you took great care with your words, as George Orwell, no less, 505 0:35:17 --> 0:35:23 recommended people should do, but predicted that they wouldn't, that language would be 506 0:35:23 --> 0:35:26 torn away from them so they couldn't express their ideas. 507 0:35:26 --> 0:35:28 I just wanted to ask you. 508 0:35:28 --> 0:35:32 So obviously, you you are of the view that there's no virus. 509 0:35:33 --> 0:35:40 So I am not aware of all the arguments that go towards coming to that conclusion. 510 0:35:40 --> 0:35:47 But I do know as a medical doctor that there is a huge possibility that there was no 511 0:35:47 --> 0:35:52 such thing as Covid-19, that it was a failure of diagnosis. 512 0:35:54 --> 0:36:01 That's if you accept that there's a virus, which increasingly I'm I'm coming to 513 0:36:02 --> 0:36:08 conclusion needs to be questioned, but maybe not questioning all viruses just now. 514 0:36:08 --> 0:36:10 But I'm prepared to be persuaded about that. 515 0:36:10 --> 0:36:14 But so is there such a thing as Covid-19? 516 0:36:14 --> 0:36:17 In my view, it was never properly diagnosed. 517 0:36:17 --> 0:36:19 You don't diagnose a viral illness with a test. 518 0:36:19 --> 0:36:20 It's never been done before. 519 0:36:20 --> 0:36:28 Kerry Mullis, the inventor of the PCR technique, said my his test, the test, which is based 520 0:36:28 --> 0:36:33 on his technique, which he won the Nobel Prize, that it was never to be used for the 521 0:36:33 --> 0:36:34 diagnosis of a viral illness. 522 0:36:34 --> 0:36:36 And that's exactly what they did do. 523 0:36:36 --> 0:36:42 But even if you put that aside, they were trying to diagnose, as you know, clinically. 524 0:36:42 --> 0:36:47 And so the governments around the world were saying, oh, loss of taste, loss of smell and 525 0:36:47 --> 0:36:51 suggesting that this pathognomonic for Covid-19. 526 0:36:51 --> 0:36:59 And I was saying to myself initially, from the beginning, that no, it was no, there was 527 0:36:59 --> 0:37:02 no symptom which was pathognomonic for Covid-19. 528 0:37:02 --> 0:37:04 I just wonder whether you could talk about that. 529 0:37:07 --> 0:37:12 Yeah, and this is something I can't believe that doctors around the world went along with. 530 0:37:12 --> 0:37:19 And even today, doctors in the health freedom community who still talk about Covid-19 as 531 0:37:19 --> 0:37:21 an entity, there's no it, it's nothing. 532 0:37:21 --> 0:37:29 Because what happened was, if you look at the definition of Covid-19 from the WHO, 533 0:37:29 --> 0:37:32 and this was known in 2020, this is not something new. 534 0:37:34 --> 0:37:40 The confirmed case is simply the result of a molecular detection test. 535 0:37:40 --> 0:37:44 So the PCR was mainly in use early on. 536 0:37:44 --> 0:37:51 And now, obviously, the lateral flow or the rapid antigen tests are in use as well. 537 0:37:53 --> 0:37:56 But there are no symptoms or signs that are required. 538 0:37:56 --> 0:38:00 So this is, and I have problems with disease entities. 539 0:38:00 --> 0:38:01 I've moved off that model. 540 0:38:01 --> 0:38:05 That's how I used to work when I was a doctor and make these diagnoses and stuff. 541 0:38:05 --> 0:38:06 That's a separate issue. 542 0:38:06 --> 0:38:11 But even within this model, where you accept that there are disease entities, 543 0:38:12 --> 0:38:16 yeah, as we all know, we had a list of symptoms and signs that we'd need to 544 0:38:16 --> 0:38:22 fulfill and then the test would be the confirmatory process that we do. 545 0:38:23 --> 0:38:32 So by mid 2020, the Cochrane Collaboration published a paper that I don't know why 546 0:38:32 --> 0:38:38 everyone was ignoring because they did a systematic review of every study that was available 547 0:38:39 --> 0:38:46 and concluded that there were no symptoms or signs that could rule in or rule out COVID-19. 548 0:38:47 --> 0:38:53 So people should have said, well, that's a problem, because if they're saying it's a disease, 549 0:38:53 --> 0:38:56 there should be some sort of symptoms or signs. 550 0:38:56 --> 0:39:03 And instead, what we were left with was the circular reasoning where the cases were 100% 551 0:39:04 --> 0:39:07 based on PCR or lateral flow tests. 552 0:39:08 --> 0:39:13 Now, if people can't see the problem with that, they shouldn't be using tests at all, 553 0:39:13 --> 0:39:21 because what it did was it basically said that those molecular detection tests have 100% 554 0:39:21 --> 0:39:29 specificity and 100% sensitivity and that they, not only that, but the sensitivity and specificity 555 0:39:29 --> 0:39:33 is of a diagnostic category, not of anything else. 556 0:39:34 --> 0:39:38 So I mean, this is completely obscene. 557 0:39:38 --> 0:39:45 It goes against everything we know about how tests in the past were validated clinically. 558 0:39:46 --> 0:39:54 And I was really disappointed that PCR experts like Stephen Buston had written the 559 0:39:54 --> 0:40:02 MIQI guidelines, which had clearly said that there are two types of sensitivity and specificity 560 0:40:02 --> 0:40:03 with PCR. 561 0:40:04 --> 0:40:14 One is the analytical side of things, which is all that Drosten and Co worked out in January 2020. 562 0:40:15 --> 0:40:17 Their paper has nothing to do with diagnosing anything. 563 0:40:18 --> 0:40:29 It's just an analytical sensitivity and specificity protocol or their tests in quotes 564 0:40:29 --> 0:40:31 to pick up particular sequences. 565 0:40:31 --> 0:40:37 But the sequences themselves were never the provenance of them is not known, the significance 566 0:40:37 --> 0:40:38 of them is not known. 567 0:40:39 --> 0:40:46 It was all just stuff that was placed on GenBank and given the label SARS-CoV-2, 568 0:40:46 --> 0:40:47 and that's the whole thing. 569 0:40:47 --> 0:40:49 That's the whole basis to this fraud. 570 0:40:50 --> 0:40:52 There's really nothing to it. 571 0:40:52 --> 0:40:58 And I think it's worth spending some time on this issue because it's a huge misunderstanding 572 0:40:58 --> 0:41:04 and we still have to this day, I've even had family members tell me that they got it, you 573 0:41:04 --> 0:41:06 know, and I said, what do you mean you got it? 574 0:41:06 --> 0:41:07 They said the COVID. 575 0:41:08 --> 0:41:10 And they said, how do you know? 576 0:41:10 --> 0:41:12 And they said, I felt terrible for three days. 577 0:41:12 --> 0:41:17 I did a rapid antigen test and it's positive. 578 0:41:18 --> 0:41:21 And it's really frustrating because we've written articles about this. 579 0:41:21 --> 0:41:22 We've done videos on it. 580 0:41:24 --> 0:41:30 When those tests arrived in New Zealand, I wrote to the distributor and said, 581 0:41:32 --> 0:41:33 what is this diagnose? 582 0:41:33 --> 0:41:37 And where do I find the clinical validation studies? 583 0:41:38 --> 0:41:39 And they couldn't give me anything. 584 0:41:40 --> 0:41:46 All they had was the packet insert, which piggybacked their tests on other tests like 585 0:41:46 --> 0:41:50 the PCR, which had never had any clinical validation either. 586 0:41:51 --> 0:41:56 So, yes, Stephen, I would say that it's a fictional entity. 587 0:41:56 --> 0:41:57 It doesn't exist. 588 0:41:57 --> 0:41:59 There's no COVID-19 is not a thing. 589 0:42:00 --> 0:42:06 It doesn't matter if people say in 2020 that they saw, you know, some new pattern or they 590 0:42:06 --> 0:42:08 were treating pneumonia that seemed a bit different. 591 0:42:09 --> 0:42:15 It's completely there's no scientific evidence that they were dealing with a new virus. 592 0:42:15 --> 0:42:23 And there was no way to say to classify this condition outside of the circular reasoning 593 0:42:24 --> 0:42:25 molecular detection test. 594 0:42:25 --> 0:42:30 So, yeah, does that and nothing's changed to this day. 595 0:42:32 --> 0:42:36 But you're the first medical doctor who agrees with me. 596 0:42:37 --> 0:42:45 So I've been I felt like a whistleblower in my own group, except there are one or two, 597 0:42:45 --> 0:42:48 well, there are a few who believe there's no virus. 598 0:42:48 --> 0:42:57 But I realized that even if you don't go down that route, you know, denying the virus or 599 0:42:57 --> 0:43:03 saying there is no virus, which is perfectly possible in my view, then as a doctor, all 600 0:43:03 --> 0:43:07 doctors in the world should have known that there was no such thing as COVID-19. 601 0:43:07 --> 0:43:11 So it was a massive fraud from beginning to end and it should have been exposed at the 602 0:43:11 --> 0:43:12 medical level. 603 0:43:14 --> 0:43:15 Yeah. 604 0:43:15 --> 0:43:20 And the other thing was, and Sam and her co-authors have written about this in Virus Mania, 605 0:43:20 --> 0:43:26 because they warned for two decades that this was coming in Virus Mania. 606 0:43:26 --> 0:43:29 They said these fake pandemics are getting bigger and bigger. 607 0:43:29 --> 0:43:38 And eventually they'll just engulf the world because with SARS-1 back in 2003, the problem 608 0:43:38 --> 0:43:44 and quotes that they had was that they did actually have a specific clinical criteria 609 0:43:44 --> 0:43:45 that had to be fulfilled. 610 0:43:45 --> 0:43:48 So the temperature was supposed to be over 38.4. 611 0:43:49 --> 0:43:52 There were supposed to be changes, patchy changes on chest X-ray. 612 0:43:53 --> 0:43:56 The person was actually supposed to be pretty sick. 613 0:43:56 --> 0:44:03 And that's why there were hardly any cases because nobody, there was very few people 614 0:44:03 --> 0:44:05 were fulfilling those criteria. 615 0:44:05 --> 0:44:07 They were actually really sick people. 616 0:44:07 --> 0:44:13 And as you know, the clinical condition SARS, that's real and that's a serious problem, 617 0:44:13 --> 0:44:18 but it's not caused by a fictional virus. 618 0:44:19 --> 0:44:26 So in SARS-1, they said it was SARS-CoV-1 and now they're saying it's SARS-CoV-2. 619 0:44:27 --> 0:44:30 But SARS itself is, that's not what causes it. 620 0:44:30 --> 0:44:35 You get other causes, other injuries to people and problems. 621 0:44:35 --> 0:44:44 But yeah, what they basically did with COVID is that they made the case definition so ludicrous 622 0:44:44 --> 0:44:48 that wherever they took the PCR, they got cases. 623 0:44:48 --> 0:44:56 And this was pointed out by some of Sam's co-authors too, back in early 2020. 624 0:44:56 --> 0:45:02 They did an analysis and said the number of cases is dependent on the number of PCR tests 625 0:45:02 --> 0:45:03 that you're doing at the time. 626 0:45:03 --> 0:45:09 So when they were saying that cases had gone up by fourfold in Germany, that's because 627 0:45:09 --> 0:45:12 they were doing four times the number of tests. 628 0:45:12 --> 0:45:18 And wherever you go, you'll find it, but it has nothing to do with actual illness. 629 0:45:20 --> 0:45:20 Right. 630 0:45:20 --> 0:45:24 So no COVID in Yemen when they can't afford the tests. 631 0:45:25 --> 0:45:32 But they were actually diagnosing COVID-19 in the UK without tests and they were encouraged 632 0:45:32 --> 0:45:32 to do so. 633 0:45:32 --> 0:45:40 In my view, at the time, I thought that that was to increase the number of cases of COVID-19, 634 0:45:40 --> 0:45:47 cases of COVID-19, which of course they needed to turn into deaths, which were due to COVID-19. 635 0:45:47 --> 0:45:52 Or, well, they were saying that they were due to COVID-19, but essentially they were 636 0:45:52 --> 0:45:56 with COVID-19, except there was no such thing as COVID-19. 637 0:45:56 --> 0:46:01 And so the whole thing is just a massive, and doctors should have known what was going 638 0:46:01 --> 0:46:09 on and they should have known that all the measures and the injections later, of course, 639 0:46:10 --> 0:46:12 were violations of the Nuremberg Code. 640 0:46:12 --> 0:46:17 It was human medical experimentation, just the social distancing was that. 641 0:46:18 --> 0:46:26 And as I've said on this group many times, on the 2nd of June 1948, seven doctors were 642 0:46:26 --> 0:46:33 hanged in Germany, having been found guilty of human medical experimentation. 643 0:46:33 --> 0:46:34 And here we are again. 644 0:46:34 --> 0:46:35 Crazy. 645 0:46:35 --> 0:46:38 I just wanted to ask you, Mark. 646 0:46:41 --> 0:46:48 So, yes, so there's no virus, there's no such thing as COVID-19. 647 0:46:49 --> 0:46:55 In the vaccines, is it, you know, would you, oh, sorry, the injections, is there a spike 648 0:46:55 --> 0:46:59 protein or do you think there's a possibility that that's been planted there by the criminals? 649 0:46:59 --> 0:47:02 And is there mRNA? 650 0:47:02 --> 0:47:05 And again, has that been planted there by the criminals? 651 0:47:05 --> 0:47:07 And I'll just do the questions and then. 652 0:47:08 --> 0:47:14 So I wanted to ask you, is a pandemic possible in the sense that, you know, if you accept 653 0:47:14 --> 0:47:23 that viruses exist, that when they, that they never mutate to more pathogenic viruses, even 654 0:47:23 --> 0:47:30 in the world of virology, they don't, they always mutate to less, sorry, less pathogenic, 655 0:47:30 --> 0:47:31 but more transmissible. 656 0:47:32 --> 0:47:39 They were arguing the opposite in December 2021 in this country, in the UK. 657 0:47:40 --> 0:47:43 And I'll repeat this one, you need. 658 0:47:43 --> 0:47:48 So has genomics been invented or at least come into prominence 659 0:47:50 --> 0:47:55 to corrupt the world of virology and genomics, is genomics actually corrupt? 660 0:47:55 --> 0:48:04 And so was virology, what they call virology now was that split off from microbiology 661 0:48:05 --> 0:48:06 with evil intent. 662 0:48:07 --> 0:48:11 And so those questions, I can repeat them when you need it. 663 0:48:12 --> 0:48:19 So in the injections, do you believe that there's such a thing as a spike protein and the mRNA? 664 0:48:19 --> 0:48:22 Yeah, sorry. 665 0:48:22 --> 0:48:26 And I'll just answer one more question because Stephen, we need to be careful with language 666 0:48:26 --> 0:48:27 as we know. 667 0:48:27 --> 0:48:34 And when you say like me, you know, you think COVID-19 is a fictitious entity, but we should 668 0:48:34 --> 0:48:40 say it is an entity because within epidemiology, a case is whatever you define it as. 669 0:48:40 --> 0:48:48 So if they say, if the WHO say that a case is a result of a molecular detection technique, 670 0:48:49 --> 0:48:52 you and I can't deny that they've just created a case. 671 0:48:53 --> 0:48:57 What we're saying is that it's pointless, a pointless exercise because it's not 672 0:48:58 --> 0:48:59 a clinical condition. 673 0:48:59 --> 0:49:03 But epidemiology could have been created to commit this fraud. 674 0:49:04 --> 0:49:11 Yeah, so like an epidemiologist could create a case definition that anyone like you and I who 675 0:49:11 --> 0:49:18 deny that COVID-19 is a clinical condition is a case of blah, blah, something nasty. 676 0:49:19 --> 0:49:23 They could go around and say, well, we found a million of these cases recently. 677 0:49:23 --> 0:49:25 So yeah, just to be clear. 678 0:49:26 --> 0:49:29 Yes, I thought people would realize that. 679 0:49:29 --> 0:49:30 Yes, I understand that. 680 0:49:30 --> 0:49:30 Yeah. 681 0:49:30 --> 0:49:34 Because people will say to us, I mean, the worst you get is people send you 682 0:49:35 --> 0:49:40 you know, one of these websites like from Johns Hopkins saying, well, what are these 683 0:49:40 --> 0:49:42 20 million cases? 684 0:49:42 --> 0:49:42 What are they? 685 0:49:43 --> 0:49:47 And we'll just say, well, they're meaningless because yes, they are cases, 686 0:49:47 --> 0:49:49 but they're not cases of disease. 687 0:49:49 --> 0:49:52 They're simply cases of an epidemiological invention. 688 0:49:55 --> 0:50:04 A lot of the cases in inverted commas, the people were asymptomatic and they were just 689 0:50:05 --> 0:50:08 sorry, they were PCR positive or lateral flow test positive. 690 0:50:09 --> 0:50:16 But yeah, I mean, you can understand why people get confused because sometimes if you're arguing 691 0:50:16 --> 0:50:20 a specific line, it's difficult to remember you're arguing that line and then you make 692 0:50:20 --> 0:50:22 mistake in the wording. 693 0:50:22 --> 0:50:24 I don't know whether you've found that. 694 0:50:25 --> 0:50:26 Yeah, for sure. 695 0:50:26 --> 0:50:32 And this is not medicine because of the influence of based on interest in the pharmaceutical 696 0:50:32 --> 0:50:39 industry, the experts at creating cases like, you know, hypercholesterolemia would be another 697 0:50:39 --> 0:50:47 example of something non related to viruses where essentially they just manufacture a 698 0:50:47 --> 0:50:51 condition and you go in and have a blood test and you don't have a disease and you're not 699 0:50:51 --> 0:50:52 unwell. 700 0:50:52 --> 0:50:57 But the GP says, oh, I've looked up the guidelines and it looks like you've got a disease and 701 0:50:57 --> 0:51:00 you need to be on a statin, etc. 702 0:51:00 --> 0:51:04 So yeah, this manufacturing of cases is nothing new. 703 0:51:04 --> 0:51:09 But yeah, we should just be crystal clear with our language that we're not denying the 704 0:51:09 --> 0:51:10 concept of cases. 705 0:51:10 --> 0:51:13 We're just saying that it's preposterous to create cases. 706 0:51:13 --> 0:51:18 And as we know, if you have a very narrow criteria for cases, you will find none. 707 0:51:18 --> 0:51:21 And if you have a wide criteria, you'll find as many as you want. 708 0:51:23 --> 0:51:28 What they call COVID-19, do you agree that that was what was previously called the common 709 0:51:28 --> 0:51:32 cold, influenza, pneumonia, those three, and then you've got all the other respiratory 710 0:51:33 --> 0:51:36 illnesses which allegedly are due to viruses? 711 0:51:37 --> 0:51:42 No, well, it's worse than that because when we used to diagnose influenza, we expected 712 0:51:42 --> 0:51:44 the temperature to be above 38 degrees. 713 0:51:44 --> 0:51:46 We expected there to be symptoms. 714 0:51:46 --> 0:51:49 So no, it's far worse than that. 715 0:51:49 --> 0:51:51 I mean, it's encapsulated all of those things. 716 0:51:51 --> 0:51:57 And we know that, you know, I think in Australia is a good example where traditionally they 717 0:51:57 --> 0:52:01 had about 2000 deaths a year attributed to influenza. 718 0:52:01 --> 0:52:05 And in 2020, 2021, that basically went to zero. 719 0:52:05 --> 0:52:10 So, yeah, we know there's a lot of reclassifications, but I would contest that it's even worse than 720 0:52:10 --> 0:52:10 that. 721 0:52:10 --> 0:52:17 It's encompassed just about anything, including mostly asymptomatic people. 722 0:52:18 --> 0:52:18 Yeah. 723 0:52:18 --> 0:52:26 So, Mark, so the way I knew that something was terribly wrong was in March 2020 and could 724 0:52:26 --> 0:52:31 have been February 22, I can't quite identify the time, but I immediately when there was a 725 0:52:31 --> 0:52:35 first, I remembered the swine flu so-called pandemic. 726 0:52:36 --> 0:52:42 And I also knew that that swine flu pandemic, which wasn't a pandemic, was exposed as a 727 0:52:42 --> 0:52:47 fraud at the Council of Europe investigation into that so-called pandemic. 728 0:52:48 --> 0:52:53 And still, all the mainstream press all over the world went along with this narrative, 729 0:52:53 --> 0:52:56 not mentioning swine flu once, any of them. 730 0:52:59 --> 0:53:00 Yeah, well, completely. 731 0:53:00 --> 0:53:10 If you look at the previous fake pandemics like SARS-1, bird flu, swine flu, HIV, none 732 0:53:10 --> 0:53:13 of them had the global reach. 733 0:53:13 --> 0:53:19 And I think it's been engineered over time, but I can't speak as to exactly how that was 734 0:53:19 --> 0:53:19 done. 735 0:53:20 --> 0:53:24 But it's just what I think's happened is that progressively, yes, it's become more 736 0:53:24 --> 0:53:30 and more coordinated to the point we have now where big tech pushes forward a narrative, 737 0:53:30 --> 0:53:36 the major news corporations push forward a narrative and try and bring everyone into 738 0:53:36 --> 0:53:37 the same thing. 739 0:53:38 --> 0:53:38 Sure. 740 0:53:39 --> 0:53:40 What do you think about genomics? 741 0:53:40 --> 0:53:47 Do you think that it's possible that it was kind of brought into prominence to 742 0:53:47 --> 0:53:49 corrupt the world of virology totally? 743 0:53:49 --> 0:53:58 Or do you think that virology was split off from microbiology for that goal? 744 0:54:00 --> 0:54:08 Yeah, well, in my essay I wrote recently refuting the virus hypothesis, I suggested that 745 0:54:08 --> 0:54:12 metagenomics itself will be virology's last gasp. 746 0:54:12 --> 0:54:17 It'll be the last attempt to try and legitimize the existence of viruses. 747 0:54:18 --> 0:54:23 I mean, I don't personally, I don't have a huge problem with genomics if it's limited 748 0:54:23 --> 0:54:26 to the experimental setting, to research, etc. 749 0:54:26 --> 0:54:30 I think it has virtually no role in clinical medicine. 750 0:54:30 --> 0:54:32 It's not useful whatsoever. 751 0:54:32 --> 0:54:38 And it's this mistaken model that people have that you can somehow get a fingerprint of 752 0:54:38 --> 0:54:41 an individual and work out what's going on with them. 753 0:54:41 --> 0:54:48 But again, with regards to there is legitimate genomics in the sense that if you are looking 754 0:54:48 --> 0:54:55 at an entity like a bacterial cell that you can actually work out where the genetic material 755 0:54:55 --> 0:54:57 came from, that's fine. 756 0:54:58 --> 0:55:05 With virology, the process has been completely misused because they never established that 757 0:55:05 --> 0:55:08 the sequences come from inside the virus particle. 758 0:55:08 --> 0:55:11 And that's something people just constantly forget. 759 0:55:11 --> 0:55:16 You get into arguments with people about this, and you just say to them, can you just show me 760 0:55:17 --> 0:55:24 the step where it was shown that the viral material came from inside the viral particle, 761 0:55:24 --> 0:55:27 you know, the viral code, the genetic material. 762 0:55:27 --> 0:55:32 And with a human being, we have no problem because we can take a blood sample or a tissue 763 0:55:32 --> 0:55:35 sample and we know exactly where that material has come from. 764 0:55:36 --> 0:55:39 With bacteria and fungi, the same thing. 765 0:55:39 --> 0:55:40 We can isolate the samples. 766 0:55:40 --> 0:55:43 We can see exactly where the genetic material came from. 767 0:55:43 --> 0:55:49 With this whole thing about inventing viruses, they simply never do that. 768 0:55:49 --> 0:55:54 There's no step in the process to say this is where the material came from or that it 769 0:55:54 --> 0:55:56 relates to some sort of disease process. 770 0:55:57 --> 0:56:07 Yeah, I think genomics is being used now to sustain virology, basically, because they're 771 0:56:07 --> 0:56:08 experimental. 772 0:56:09 --> 0:56:16 The true kind of stuff that happens in the wet lab, you might call it, has completely failed 773 0:56:16 --> 0:56:17 with their clinical experiments. 774 0:56:17 --> 0:56:24 So now it's become based in the dry lab, which is, you know, on computer simulations, etc. 775 0:56:24 --> 0:56:31 And if you look at what happened with SARS-CoV-2, if you look back to Fan Wu's original paper, 776 0:56:31 --> 0:56:39 the alleged first time that they found this quote virus, there was nothing basically but 777 0:56:39 --> 0:56:40 a computer simulation. 778 0:56:41 --> 0:56:47 The experiment ended when they took their clinical sample, which was a lung fluid sample, 779 0:56:47 --> 0:56:50 and just sequenced all of the RNA in the sample. 780 0:56:50 --> 0:56:52 They didn't know where it came from. 781 0:56:52 --> 0:56:53 They just sequenced everything. 782 0:56:53 --> 0:56:59 And used a computer simulation to put together what they said was a genome, which was templated 783 0:56:59 --> 0:57:06 up against another genome, which had been created in a similar way all the way back to the 1980s. 784 0:57:06 --> 0:57:13 And in my recent paper, I demonstrate the trail back to the original quote coronavirus genomes, 785 0:57:13 --> 0:57:18 which shows that not one step of the way do they actually show that there's a virus at all. 786 0:57:18 --> 0:57:26 They just continuously reinvent things with tissue culture experiments and samples that 787 0:57:26 --> 0:57:30 they take from nature and say that this is the virus based on their sequences. 788 0:57:30 --> 0:57:37 So, yeah, I think there is, I think we are seeing a complete misuse of genomics, and it's a 789 0:57:37 --> 0:57:39 multi-billion dollar industry now. 790 0:57:39 --> 0:57:43 And I would just challenge people to say, what benefit does it bring humanity? 791 0:57:43 --> 0:57:43 None. 792 0:57:44 --> 0:57:45 There's nothing to it. 793 0:57:45 --> 0:57:50 But you could say the same thing about large sections of technology as well, 794 0:57:50 --> 0:57:54 well, particularly when they're not, when nobody understands, well, very few people 795 0:57:54 --> 0:57:56 understand the technology which they're using. 796 0:57:57 --> 0:57:59 Anyway, I won't go on. 797 0:57:59 --> 0:58:00 Charles, that's fine. 798 0:58:01 --> 0:58:02 Okay. 799 0:58:02 --> 0:58:03 Okay. 800 0:58:03 --> 0:58:03 Thank you. 801 0:58:04 --> 0:58:05 Thank you, Stephen. 802 0:58:05 --> 0:58:09 And as I say, well done for wearing that is your Wales top, I presume, for rugby. 803 0:58:09 --> 0:58:12 So, Mark, we go on to the series of questions. 804 0:58:12 --> 0:58:15 We've got lots of hands up and you generated some great questions. 805 0:58:16 --> 0:58:19 And dialogue, don't worry about the chat. 806 0:58:19 --> 0:58:22 People who want to ask questions will ask those questions. 807 0:58:22 --> 0:58:24 If there's anything crucial in the chat, I'll bring it to your attention. 808 0:58:24 --> 0:58:29 But save the chat on your computer, of course, Mark, because there's some wonderful resources, 809 0:58:29 --> 0:58:34 perhaps perspectives we would recommend, and also lots of compliments to you. 810 0:58:35 --> 0:58:40 Charles, I wasn't wearing the Wales rugby shirt to annoy Mark or you. 811 0:58:41 --> 0:58:42 I love it. 812 0:58:42 --> 0:58:42 I love it. 813 0:58:42 --> 0:58:43 I love the red. 814 0:58:44 --> 0:58:45 I'm biased towards red. 815 0:58:45 --> 0:58:46 All right. 816 0:58:47 --> 0:58:50 Gary Finkelstein, you're first, then Gerry Waters. 817 0:58:50 --> 0:58:51 Yeah. 818 0:58:51 --> 0:58:53 Hi there. 819 0:58:55 --> 0:58:56 I've got two questions. 820 0:58:57 --> 0:58:59 The one is a very basic one. 821 0:58:59 --> 0:59:08 I was an earlier, an early, I'm going to say follower of Sam, and I was wondering what's 822 0:59:08 --> 0:59:09 happened to her. 823 0:59:09 --> 0:59:11 Obviously, she was taken off air. 824 0:59:12 --> 0:59:14 I'm assuming and hoping everything's good. 825 0:59:14 --> 0:59:16 That's just clearly very interesting. 826 0:59:18 --> 0:59:23 My other question is about a meeting I had with, the pleasure of meeting Luke Montaigne, 827 0:59:23 --> 0:59:25 about two years ago now. 828 0:59:27 --> 0:59:29 I should say that I'm an, actually, I'm not a doctor. 829 0:59:29 --> 0:59:33 I've been studying excess mortality, a lot of excess mortality in 2020. 830 0:59:34 --> 0:59:38 Also in 2021, but the age shape of a change. 831 0:59:38 --> 0:59:43 But anyway, my question is, and that's what I'll try to articulate because I'm not a doctor. 832 0:59:44 --> 0:59:53 Luke Montaigne explained to me that he was observing through sequencing. 833 0:59:53 --> 0:59:57 I mean, he didn't say that the virus has been fully isolated, just to be clear. 834 0:59:58 --> 1:00:04 But he did observe, if you like, a pattern recognition where he observed 835 1:00:04 --> 1:00:14 sequences that were common in the HIV virus to what was being proposed as the coronavirus 836 1:00:14 --> 1:00:16 underlying COVID-19. 837 1:00:17 --> 1:00:23 What he said to me was that, and I think he's actually gone, he went public on it before he 838 1:00:23 --> 1:00:30 died, that the odds of that happening in nature were like one in a million or something. 839 1:00:30 --> 1:00:35 But that seems at odds with what you're saying, that there's no virus at all, or have I completely 840 1:00:35 --> 1:00:36 misunderstood? 841 1:00:37 --> 1:00:40 Yeah, no, there's some great questions and we can answer those for sure. 842 1:00:40 --> 1:00:43 And yeah, firstly, thanks for your inquiry about Sam. 843 1:00:44 --> 1:00:50 Yeah, the authorities here are still attempting to prosecute her, then get her into court. 844 1:00:50 --> 1:00:56 But what we did, they even tried to prosecute me earlier this year, even though I'd been out of 845 1:00:57 --> 1:00:59 medicine for six years. 846 1:00:59 --> 1:01:03 And I think it's an indication of how much they fear doctors speaking out. 847 1:01:04 --> 1:01:10 And I think of all of the groups of people, they come after us the hardest. 848 1:01:10 --> 1:01:15 So I was actually surprised that they came after me, given that I haven't had a license for six 849 1:01:15 --> 1:01:15 years. 850 1:01:15 --> 1:01:17 I thought I was completely out of it. 851 1:01:17 --> 1:01:25 But apparently, because I was a doctor at some stage, they think they can come after us 852 1:01:25 --> 1:01:25 legally. 853 1:01:25 --> 1:01:29 So what we did here was we used... 854 1:01:29 --> 1:01:32 Mark, can I ask you, what's the basis for them coming after you? 855 1:01:32 --> 1:01:33 Alleged basis? 856 1:01:34 --> 1:01:46 So they tried to allege that I had breached the medical council guidelines about their 857 1:01:46 --> 1:01:47 recommendations. 858 1:01:48 --> 1:01:50 In New Zealand, it's like everywhere. 859 1:01:50 --> 1:01:54 Basically, they say that doctors have to recommend the COVID-19 injections. 860 1:01:55 --> 1:01:58 Otherwise, they're in breach of best practice or whatever. 861 1:01:59 --> 1:02:00 But obviously, I'm not even in... 862 1:02:00 --> 1:02:02 Not if you're not registered, surely. 863 1:02:03 --> 1:02:07 Well, the thing was, I hadn't practiced for six years, but I was still on the public register 864 1:02:07 --> 1:02:09 because they leave you on that for life. 865 1:02:11 --> 1:02:13 I made sure I came off for that reason. 866 1:02:13 --> 1:02:14 Yeah, yeah. 867 1:02:14 --> 1:02:15 I know. 868 1:02:15 --> 1:02:17 And I know Kevin Corbett did the same on the nursing register. 869 1:02:19 --> 1:02:22 Unfortunately, Kevin, we didn't know Kevin in 2020. 870 1:02:22 --> 1:02:23 We knew of him. 871 1:02:24 --> 1:02:28 But yeah, I realized he told us later that that's the reason he'd got himself off the 872 1:02:28 --> 1:02:32 nursing register as well to escape any potential prosecution. 873 1:02:32 --> 1:02:41 But so with Sam, they've tried multiple charges against her, everything from practicing without 874 1:02:41 --> 1:02:48 a license because she makes videos after she let her practicing certificate lapse. 875 1:02:48 --> 1:02:49 That was just a complete joke. 876 1:02:50 --> 1:02:53 They have tried public risk. 877 1:02:53 --> 1:02:58 They have tried bringing disrepute to the profession, which hopefully we're doing. 878 1:02:58 --> 1:02:59 That's what we're aiming to do. 879 1:03:02 --> 1:03:03 All sorts of things. 880 1:03:03 --> 1:03:09 But to cut to the chase, we gave up on the legal process, which is a complete sham. 881 1:03:09 --> 1:03:16 And we issued the medical council with equity notices, which is a form of liability notice, 882 1:03:16 --> 1:03:19 saying that we'll personally go after them, the individuals. 883 1:03:20 --> 1:03:26 For a huge amount of money and because equity is similar to common law. 884 1:03:26 --> 1:03:34 But anyway, within 24 hours of my notice arriving at the medical council, I was taken off. 885 1:03:34 --> 1:03:35 They completely left me. 886 1:03:35 --> 1:03:39 They took me off the public register and never tried anything against me. 887 1:03:40 --> 1:03:44 With Sam, they've kept her on the register, but so far they haven't been able to get her 888 1:03:44 --> 1:03:45 into court. 889 1:03:45 --> 1:03:49 So they keep trying as far as we can see, but not getting anywhere. 890 1:03:49 --> 1:03:51 So that's where we're at. 891 1:03:52 --> 1:03:53 So no, we're great, though. 892 1:03:53 --> 1:03:55 We're really happy. 893 1:03:55 --> 1:03:58 Family's safe and everything's going well for us on the home front. 894 1:03:59 --> 1:04:01 The videos were very interesting. 895 1:04:01 --> 1:04:03 I'll say that's for sure. 896 1:04:03 --> 1:04:04 I remember them. 897 1:04:08 --> 1:04:09 What's the view of her videos? 898 1:04:09 --> 1:04:12 She's absolutely spot on as a doctor. 899 1:04:14 --> 1:04:19 Yeah, well, Sam, it's funny because, as I say, she's one of those rare doctors. 900 1:04:19 --> 1:04:21 That's never had a patient complaint. 901 1:04:21 --> 1:04:24 She practiced for 16 years of clinical medicine. 902 1:04:24 --> 1:04:24 I've never had one. 903 1:04:25 --> 1:04:26 Amazing, isn't it? 904 1:04:27 --> 1:04:28 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 905 1:04:28 --> 1:04:33 And most people struggle to these days because of how the nature of the system. 906 1:04:34 --> 1:04:35 It's pretty hard to do. 907 1:04:36 --> 1:04:40 So yeah, getting on to look Montaña and HIV sequences. 908 1:04:42 --> 1:04:49 This is what tricks people because they think that when they start talking about probabilities 909 1:04:49 --> 1:04:54 of these sequences being found in nature, etc., what they're being misled with is that 910 1:04:54 --> 1:04:59 they're basing that on GenBank designations. 911 1:04:59 --> 1:05:07 So HIV sequences have been placed on GenBank when, in fact, there's no evidence that an 912 1:05:07 --> 1:05:10 HIV particle exists or certainly not a pathogenic one. 913 1:05:11 --> 1:05:18 And the other thing to keep in mind with HIV is that unlike even within the viral paradigm, 914 1:05:18 --> 1:05:20 HIV is ridiculous. 915 1:05:20 --> 1:05:26 The sequences are permitted to vary by 30 to 40 percent. 916 1:05:26 --> 1:05:27 Can you imagine that? 917 1:05:27 --> 1:05:35 I mean, the difference between us and a chimp that we share about 98 percent of our genetic 918 1:05:35 --> 1:05:37 material and yet look how different we are from a chimp. 919 1:05:38 --> 1:05:46 HIV, even within HIV, is supposed to be a particle that's exactly the same almost, 920 1:05:46 --> 1:05:49 but the sequences are allowed to vary by up to 40 percent. 921 1:05:50 --> 1:05:51 I mean, that makes no sense. 922 1:05:51 --> 1:05:54 That's like the difference between us and a worm. 923 1:05:55 --> 1:05:58 And yet they're all counted as HIV sequences. 924 1:05:58 --> 1:06:01 I don't know why people go along with this kind of stuff. 925 1:06:03 --> 1:06:05 It makes zero sense whatsoever. 926 1:06:05 --> 1:06:12 So when Montaña says things like, well, these sequences that seem to be appearing in SARS-CoV-2, 927 1:06:13 --> 1:06:17 if that's what he said, seem to be similar to HIV sequences, 928 1:06:17 --> 1:06:20 and there's a very low chance that that would happen in nature. 929 1:06:20 --> 1:06:25 I mean, it's all based on the faulty premise that the sequences were shown to come from 930 1:06:25 --> 1:06:27 a particle called HIV in the first place. 931 1:06:28 --> 1:06:35 And you have the same problem with, I think it's like GP120 and other proteins that are 932 1:06:35 --> 1:06:38 supposedly specific to HIV. 933 1:06:38 --> 1:06:39 That's never been shown. 934 1:06:39 --> 1:06:48 There's no... I know that appears in textbooks and what they'll teach you about so-called HIV, 935 1:06:48 --> 1:06:51 but there's no paper you can go to on the planet which shows you 936 1:06:52 --> 1:06:59 that these glycoproteins come from the NHIV particle that doesn't exist. 937 1:06:59 --> 1:07:02 So yeah, there's actually... 938 1:07:03 --> 1:07:05 I can't think of the name of the paper, but it was written by 939 1:07:06 --> 1:07:13 Eleni Papadopoulos in 1990 specifically addressing a similar question that came from Peter Duesberg 940 1:07:14 --> 1:07:20 because as you probably know, Duesberg suggested that the HIV particle exists, 941 1:07:20 --> 1:07:24 but that it's a harmless passenger retrovirus and that it doesn't cause disease, 942 1:07:24 --> 1:07:26 it doesn't cause AIDS. 943 1:07:26 --> 1:07:33 But Eleni did a very good response to Peter basically saying, well, where is the... 944 1:07:33 --> 1:07:38 where can we find the paper that shows that those sequences you're talking about are specific 945 1:07:38 --> 1:07:42 because they're not specific at all. 946 1:07:42 --> 1:07:44 So does that answer your question, Gary? 947 1:07:44 --> 1:07:47 It's... I think we see this all the time. 948 1:07:47 --> 1:07:50 Yeah, people say to us, but look, it's HIV sequences and that, 949 1:07:50 --> 1:07:55 but you have to go back and say they're not HIV sequences in the sense of 950 1:07:55 --> 1:07:58 they were never shown to relate to a pathogenic particle. 951 1:07:59 --> 1:08:01 Yeah, all right. Thank you. Appreciate it. 952 1:08:01 --> 1:08:02 Thanks. 953 1:08:04 --> 1:08:06 All right, Jerry. 954 1:08:09 --> 1:08:10 Hi, can you hear me? 955 1:08:11 --> 1:08:12 Yeah. 956 1:08:13 --> 1:08:14 I had an echo earlier on. 957 1:08:16 --> 1:08:18 That was me just coming in, both of me coming in. 958 1:08:20 --> 1:08:24 Hi Mark, very, very welcome to... 959 1:08:25 --> 1:08:27 Well, I suppose, welcome to this hemisphere. 960 1:08:28 --> 1:08:33 I imagine most of us are from the Northern Hemisphere. 961 1:08:33 --> 1:08:35 Are we? Charles, would correct me on that perhaps. 962 1:08:36 --> 1:08:40 Most of the world's population, 90% of the world's population is the Northern Hemisphere. 963 1:08:40 --> 1:08:43 So that makes it fairly safe, doesn't it? 964 1:08:46 --> 1:08:53 As I always do, I find it necessary to fill people in, people like you, in on who I am. 965 1:08:53 --> 1:08:57 I'm Dr. Gerry Waters. I'm a GP. I qualified in 1977. 966 1:08:57 --> 1:09:01 And I have spent the best part of the last 40 years as a GP. 967 1:09:02 --> 1:09:07 I was struck off the... Well, I was suspended from the Medical Council 19 months ago, 968 1:09:08 --> 1:09:16 from the Medical Council for refusing to go along with the COVID hoax. 969 1:09:16 --> 1:09:20 I refused to accept the pathogenicity. 970 1:09:20 --> 1:09:27 And here, Steve was saying, he hasn't come across a doctor that agrees with him. 971 1:09:27 --> 1:09:32 Pretty much every time I spoke on this Zoom, I've agreed with Steve. 972 1:09:32 --> 1:09:35 And so I don't know where he's not been listening to me. 973 1:09:35 --> 1:09:39 But I believe that there is a virus. 974 1:09:39 --> 1:09:46 I happen to subscribe to the concept that there is an infective entity. 975 1:09:46 --> 1:09:49 Call it what you like. I don't care whether it's called a virus, whether it's... 976 1:09:49 --> 1:09:50 Whatever it is. 977 1:09:50 --> 1:09:53 But my 40 years in general practice have taught me. 978 1:09:54 --> 1:09:56 I've been through 40 winters. 979 1:09:57 --> 1:10:01 I've been through 40 people coming in with sniffles and snots and coughs. 980 1:10:01 --> 1:10:06 I've gone home and a day later developed those sniffles and snots, 981 1:10:06 --> 1:10:08 snotty nose and running nose and that. 982 1:10:08 --> 1:10:10 And my wife and kids have gotten them. 983 1:10:11 --> 1:10:12 I can think of no other. 984 1:10:14 --> 1:10:16 You can tell me it's environmental. 985 1:10:16 --> 1:10:18 You can tell me it's dietary. 986 1:10:18 --> 1:10:19 You can tell me what you like. 987 1:10:19 --> 1:10:25 But I can think of no other entity that would account for those sequences. 988 1:10:25 --> 1:10:29 That I personally have experienced over a 40 year period. 989 1:10:30 --> 1:10:35 Again, over that 40 year period, every year I've had, I've seen a hundred, 990 1:10:37 --> 1:10:41 maybe a couple of hundred people who came in with viral, 991 1:10:41 --> 1:10:44 what I consider to be classical viral infections. 992 1:10:45 --> 1:10:48 I generally didn't treat them. 993 1:10:48 --> 1:10:53 And if there was some symptoms in their chest, I always listened to the chest. 994 1:10:53 --> 1:10:54 Always listened to the chest. 995 1:10:54 --> 1:10:55 Look at the ears. Look at the eye. 996 1:10:55 --> 1:10:56 Look into the throat. 997 1:10:59 --> 1:11:06 And if there were symptoms down there, I would perhaps give a steroid or some, 998 1:11:06 --> 1:11:12 you know, what has now been replaced by ivermectin as an anti-inflammatory. 999 1:11:12 --> 1:11:20 But and over a 40 year period, like you, I never had a complaint about my treatment. 1000 1:11:20 --> 1:11:21 Now, I have had complaints from people, 1001 1:11:21 --> 1:11:24 but generally it was because people tried to get into my practice. 1002 1:11:24 --> 1:11:28 It was generally people trying to get into my practice and I refused them. 1003 1:11:28 --> 1:11:34 And they got upset and reported that I wasn't nice enough to them when I was telling them 1004 1:11:34 --> 1:11:35 I wasn't taking them in. 1005 1:11:35 --> 1:11:39 But, you know, so I have I've been subjected because there again, 1006 1:11:40 --> 1:11:42 if you're 40 years in the business, a couple of things happen. 1007 1:11:42 --> 1:11:45 You probably get a little bit more cranky as you go along. 1008 1:11:45 --> 1:11:48 And perhaps you're not quite as diplomatic as you were, 1009 1:11:48 --> 1:11:50 as I would have been over the first 20 years. 1010 1:11:51 --> 1:11:59 But no, sorry, I thought originally, Mark, that you were a co-author on Virus Mania. 1011 1:11:59 --> 1:12:00 I now see that you're not. 1012 1:12:00 --> 1:12:06 So I suppose I can't really tackle you on the things that I found that I disagree with 1013 1:12:06 --> 1:12:10 in that book, but I will tackle you on the things that you brought up. 1014 1:12:11 --> 1:12:15 You were talking about the viruses within plants. 1015 1:12:16 --> 1:12:20 And you said about people being grind grinding them up and rubbing them together. 1016 1:12:21 --> 1:12:26 And and are injected directly into the plant. 1017 1:12:27 --> 1:12:36 That, of course, you know, you know, your argument there saying, well, that's not an infection. 1018 1:12:36 --> 1:12:45 Well, that blows malaria, dendrofever, white nile fever, rabies right out of the water. 1019 1:12:45 --> 1:12:51 They don't exist as as infections or as you know, because they do, 1020 1:12:51 --> 1:12:54 because in all of those cases, they're injected in. 1021 1:12:55 --> 1:13:00 And they're injected not only are they injected in, but oftentimes they need another vector. 1022 1:13:00 --> 1:13:03 Sometimes you need a little protozoan or you need a little 1023 1:13:05 --> 1:13:08 some other organism to carry them into your body. 1024 1:13:08 --> 1:13:11 So your argument about the. 1025 1:13:13 --> 1:13:16 The plants being ground up and rubbed together that doesn't wash. 1026 1:13:18 --> 1:13:19 Would you care to comment on that? 1027 1:13:22 --> 1:13:25 Yeah, well, Jerry, you're conflating so many things here, but I can unpack. 1028 1:13:25 --> 1:13:29 And I'm happy to comment on virus mania because it was co authored by my wife. 1029 1:13:29 --> 1:13:33 So I pretty much know every paragraph of the book pretty well. 1030 1:13:33 --> 1:13:38 The what you're talking about here is you're talking about clusters of illness, 1031 1:13:38 --> 1:13:44 of people getting sick together, which does not require a contagious entity. 1032 1:13:44 --> 1:13:48 If we're talking about contagion, that that's a very specific thing. 1033 1:13:49 --> 1:13:55 It's a microbe that's transmitting between organisms and allegedly causing disease. 1034 1:13:56 --> 1:14:01 So in order to show that hypothesis is true, you'd have to do clinical experiments. 1035 1:14:01 --> 1:14:07 Now, I don't know if you can show me an experiment in history, which has ever demonstrated 1036 1:14:08 --> 1:14:15 that phenomenon because I've looked at hundreds of them and every single one has failed. 1037 1:14:16 --> 1:14:21 You may be aware of the Rosena experiments, which were done in World War One, 1038 1:14:21 --> 1:14:27 where they tried to transmit the Spanish flu and had a 100% failure rate. 1039 1:14:28 --> 1:14:31 And that was not just doing light techniques. 1040 1:14:31 --> 1:14:36 That was taking snot from people, giving it to other people to swallow. 1041 1:14:36 --> 1:14:39 It was people who were sick, coughing and other people's faces. 1042 1:14:39 --> 1:14:44 It was taking muck from people who had the Spanish flu and injecting it directly into other people. 1043 1:14:45 --> 1:14:49 They couldn't get one case of human to human transmission. 1044 1:14:49 --> 1:14:50 They tried it with horses as well. 1045 1:14:50 --> 1:14:51 That didn't work. 1046 1:14:52 --> 1:14:54 But that was a very specific case. 1047 1:14:54 --> 1:15:01 They tried to repeat that in subsequent years with influenza and couldn't get one example 1048 1:15:01 --> 1:15:03 of human to human transmission. 1049 1:15:04 --> 1:15:08 This is not peculiar to the flu. 1050 1:15:08 --> 1:15:14 This is across the board with every single alleged viral and bacterial infection that 1051 1:15:14 --> 1:15:21 they can simply not demonstrate in a clinical study that one animal or human can have a 1052 1:15:21 --> 1:15:21 virus. 1053 1:15:21 --> 1:15:26 With tobacco mosaic virus, that's not an example. 1054 1:15:26 --> 1:15:27 I gave the example earlier. 1055 1:15:27 --> 1:15:33 It would be like someone is poisoned with a substance such as arsenic and then they break 1056 1:15:33 --> 1:15:39 out in a skin rash and form vesicles as the body tries to eject the arsenic from their 1057 1:15:39 --> 1:15:40 system. 1058 1:15:40 --> 1:15:45 You take a sample of fluid from that vesicle and inject it into the body. 1059 1:15:45 --> 1:15:47 That's not evidence of contagion. 1060 1:15:47 --> 1:15:54 That's just evidence of a toxin that you've taken from one area or person and injected 1061 1:15:54 --> 1:15:54 it into another. 1062 1:15:55 --> 1:16:03 That was similar to how they showed in quotes transmission of things such as measles and 1063 1:16:03 --> 1:16:04 chickenpox. 1064 1:16:04 --> 1:16:05 They did exactly the same thing. 1065 1:16:06 --> 1:16:08 They did exactly the same thing. 1066 1:16:08 --> 1:16:10 They did exactly the same thing. 1067 1:16:10 --> 1:16:18 They took samples of fluid from sick people and then injected it into either children 1068 1:16:18 --> 1:16:26 or other non-human primates and then observed skin reactions in them and said that, well, 1069 1:16:26 --> 1:16:27 there you go. 1070 1:16:27 --> 1:16:31 That's evidence of contagion when it's not at all. 1071 1:16:31 --> 1:16:33 I mean, even taking... 1072 1:16:33 --> 1:16:35 I mean, you'd know this, Gerry. 1073 1:16:36 --> 1:16:42 If I took some blood from my veins, even though I'm not sick, and injected it into you, it 1074 1:16:42 --> 1:16:44 could cause one heck of a reaction. 1075 1:16:44 --> 1:16:50 I mean, worst case scenario, it could kill you, but that's not an example of contagion. 1076 1:16:50 --> 1:16:54 Again, it's just an example of injecting foreign biological material. 1077 1:16:54 --> 1:16:55 That's right. 1078 1:16:55 --> 1:16:55 Exactly. 1079 1:16:55 --> 1:17:01 So you're saying that when you're taking a sample of fluid from a person, you're injecting 1080 1:17:01 --> 1:17:02 it into the body. 1081 1:17:03 --> 1:17:12 So are you saying that when malaria is transferred by means of a mosquito, that it's purely and 1082 1:17:12 --> 1:17:21 simply due to the poison, the toxin, rather than the protozoa that's actually transferred 1083 1:17:24 --> 1:17:26 from one person to another? 1084 1:17:26 --> 1:17:30 Or the same thing with Degu fever. 1085 1:17:31 --> 1:17:34 Or take something like rabies. 1086 1:17:34 --> 1:17:35 That's injected into you. 1087 1:17:36 --> 1:17:37 That again is a virus. 1088 1:17:38 --> 1:17:40 Wait, look, we can get bogged down. 1089 1:17:40 --> 1:17:42 You asked, am I familiar with studies? 1090 1:17:42 --> 1:17:43 No, I'm not. 1091 1:17:43 --> 1:17:49 I've been too busy as a GP, actually working on the front line, looking after patients 1092 1:17:49 --> 1:17:51 over a 40-year period. 1093 1:17:51 --> 1:17:54 I've actually taken two holidays in that 40-year period. 1094 1:17:54 --> 1:17:57 One of those is to spend six weeks in New Zealand as it happens. 1095 1:17:58 --> 1:18:01 And the reason I did that is because I actually love doing what I do. 1096 1:18:02 --> 1:18:08 But overall, no, I haven't got the studies, partly because I don't believe studies. 1097 1:18:08 --> 1:18:14 And having seen what went on with COVID in the last year, I think I've been very, very 1098 1:18:14 --> 1:18:22 right to go on my gut instinct and my feelings and my basic medical education, rather than 1099 1:18:22 --> 1:18:24 go on the experts. 1100 1:18:25 --> 1:18:32 In the book, it says that in your wife's book, that not to go on experts. 1101 1:18:33 --> 1:18:35 That the idea of... 1102 1:18:38 --> 1:18:39 It's under the concept... 1103 1:18:39 --> 1:18:40 Charles, could you move to Alex Bailey? 1104 1:18:40 --> 1:18:42 Oh, yeah, okay. 1105 1:18:42 --> 1:18:42 What? 1106 1:18:43 --> 1:18:44 It's okay. 1107 1:18:44 --> 1:18:46 There was someone making a noise there. 1108 1:18:46 --> 1:18:46 Yeah. 1109 1:18:48 --> 1:18:48 What is it? 1110 1:18:49 --> 1:18:56 It says it, nullitus in verba, which essentially means don't trust what someone says. 1111 1:18:56 --> 1:19:01 And I go by what it says in, in effect, your wife's book. 1112 1:19:01 --> 1:19:03 I don't go on what people say. 1113 1:19:03 --> 1:19:11 I am quite happy to trust my 40 winters and the 250 or 300,000 people that I have seen. 1114 1:19:11 --> 1:19:13 And I've got to admit, it fits with... 1115 1:19:14 --> 1:19:17 You see, you dismissed the idea of contagion. 1116 1:19:19 --> 1:19:26 Yes, I would believe that within an area, say in Selbridge or out, you know, Dublin West, 1117 1:19:26 --> 1:19:33 that there would be what I would consider an epidemic of a viral infection. 1118 1:19:33 --> 1:19:34 And it fits. 1119 1:19:35 --> 1:19:39 It fits with my idea, my original education of the virus. 1120 1:19:39 --> 1:19:42 And, you know, it just fits. 1121 1:19:42 --> 1:19:48 Getting back to Stephen's point, where Stephen was saying about the idea of, you know, 1122 1:19:48 --> 1:19:56 whether in fact the sort of diagnosis of viruses are real, you got to admit that before 1123 1:19:56 --> 1:20:04 the microscope was invented, or before the microscope was used on looking at infections, 1124 1:20:05 --> 1:20:06 bacteria didn't exist. 1125 1:20:07 --> 1:20:13 What I'm saying is, and I would propose that perhaps we just haven't got an instrument 1126 1:20:13 --> 1:20:14 to show up these viruses. 1127 1:20:14 --> 1:20:17 I don't know if they exist or not. 1128 1:20:17 --> 1:20:22 But how they spread among within a community fits my picture. 1129 1:20:23 --> 1:20:28 Now, as I say, there may well be an instrument that would be invented. 1130 1:20:28 --> 1:20:34 It's arrogant of us to think that we were there yet, that in effect we have all the 1131 1:20:34 --> 1:20:37 knowledge and all the instruments to demonstrate things. 1132 1:20:37 --> 1:20:41 I would postulate that there is some infective agent. 1133 1:20:41 --> 1:20:42 I don't care what you call it. 1134 1:20:43 --> 1:20:46 You know, but I know that Dolores Cahill, and Dolores Cahill is 1135 1:20:47 --> 1:20:52 a an immunologist that I like, trust in a highly intelligent person. 1136 1:20:52 --> 1:20:58 She tells me that they have identified viruses, that they have an effect, particularly fish 1137 1:20:58 --> 1:20:59 viruses. 1138 1:20:59 --> 1:21:04 And there are viruses, viruses do exist, according to Dolores Cahill. 1139 1:21:04 --> 1:21:10 I personally have never looked down, I haven't looked down a microscope in 1140 1:21:10 --> 1:21:14 dozens of years, and I haven't looked down, I've never looked into or looked at the screen 1141 1:21:14 --> 1:21:16 of an electron microscope. 1142 1:21:16 --> 1:21:21 So I can't say no, but I will stick with my experience. 1143 1:21:23 --> 1:21:29 So you say it fits your picture, but that doesn't mean to say that it is actually these 1144 1:21:29 --> 1:21:33 viruses are the cause of viral illnesses. 1145 1:21:33 --> 1:21:34 If viral illnesses. 1146 1:21:34 --> 1:21:36 Yeah, but you're using your word. 1147 1:21:36 --> 1:21:44 I'm saying you get a group of symptoms and signs, and they seem to spread from person 1148 1:21:44 --> 1:21:45 to person. 1149 1:21:45 --> 1:21:52 And I say I can only use my 40 years experience, my 40 winters, but, you know, the 200, 250, 1150 1:21:52 --> 1:21:57 300,000 people that I've seen that it fits with that. 1151 1:21:57 --> 1:22:00 You know, as I say, somebody coughs, sneezes, spits on me. 1152 1:22:00 --> 1:22:02 I go home a day or two later. 1153 1:22:03 --> 1:22:07 I start exhibiting similar symptoms. 1154 1:22:07 --> 1:22:07 Oh, yeah, you sure. 1155 1:22:07 --> 1:22:09 That's my imagination. 1156 1:22:09 --> 1:22:12 But, you know, I don't tell my wife, I don't tell my kids. 1157 1:22:12 --> 1:22:14 The next thing they're coming around and say, hey, Dad, I've got that. 1158 1:22:14 --> 1:22:19 Whatever you brought home on Saturday, you know, like I'm sorry, but that's the way it 1159 1:22:19 --> 1:22:20 fits with me. 1160 1:22:20 --> 1:22:29 Now, I don't as for the COVID, I've said and I was struck off because I said this, the 1161 1:22:29 --> 1:22:32 pathogenicity of whatever that was called a virus. 1162 1:22:32 --> 1:22:33 I don't care what you call it. 1163 1:22:33 --> 1:22:35 A coronavirus. 1164 1:22:35 --> 1:22:38 The pathogenicity was lied into existence. 1165 1:22:38 --> 1:22:45 It was lied into existence using a totally false, dishonest PCR test. 1166 1:22:45 --> 1:22:53 And it was lied into existence to cause panic within the people to facilitate the use of a 1167 1:22:55 --> 1:23:02 cull, a messenger RNA vaccine and the totalitarian control of... 1168 1:23:02 --> 1:23:04 Okay, Jerry, Jerry, stop. 1169 1:23:04 --> 1:23:04 Stop. 1170 1:23:04 --> 1:23:07 Jerry, otherwise, we'll hear you for half an hour. 1171 1:23:07 --> 1:23:09 We've been going for 15 minutes so far. 1172 1:23:09 --> 1:23:10 Let's give Mark an answer. 1173 1:23:10 --> 1:23:14 I think there's a lot of questions, but you've expressed excellent views. 1174 1:23:14 --> 1:23:16 So, Mark, first over to you. 1175 1:23:18 --> 1:23:21 Yeah, I mean, we've just we've just spilled out into so many different topics here. 1176 1:23:21 --> 1:23:26 And I can maybe suggest to Jerry that if you go to our website, you can see we've actually 1177 1:23:26 --> 1:23:28 made videos on many of these topics. 1178 1:23:30 --> 1:23:33 Getting into things like rabies is no, no, no. 1179 1:23:33 --> 1:23:35 That's a minor part of what we've done during. 1180 1:23:36 --> 1:23:40 If you go to our website, you'll see there's hundreds of videos and articles that we've 1181 1:23:40 --> 1:23:42 covered much of the material that you're asking about here. 1182 1:23:43 --> 1:23:49 So again, with something like rabies, you do not need a virus to explain what rabies is. 1183 1:23:50 --> 1:23:52 It's a recapital, I guess. 1184 1:23:52 --> 1:23:53 Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. 1185 1:23:53 --> 1:23:56 It doesn't matter what the clinical picture is. 1186 1:23:56 --> 1:23:57 It does not require a virus. 1187 1:23:57 --> 1:24:02 You can watch Sam's video about rabies, which should probably be the quickest way to get to 1188 1:24:02 --> 1:24:03 the bottom of that. 1189 1:24:03 --> 1:24:11 But what I was stunned with Jerry there was that you should have noticed that I don't 1190 1:24:11 --> 1:24:12 listen to experts. 1191 1:24:12 --> 1:24:14 I did my own research. 1192 1:24:14 --> 1:24:19 So the virologists have made a whole lot of claims, as have the infectious diseases specialists. 1193 1:24:19 --> 1:24:26 I went and had a look at the sources that they cite in their textbooks, in the WHO 1194 1:24:26 --> 1:24:27 documents, in the CDC. 1195 1:24:28 --> 1:24:35 And the methodology of the papers does not back up their claims of things such as contagion. 1196 1:24:35 --> 1:24:41 There's no demonstration of contagion with any disease, as you're talking about. 1197 1:24:41 --> 1:24:47 So I'm not sure why you've got a problem with the fact that the studies, the experimental 1198 1:24:47 --> 1:24:53 studies, cannot back up the claims that you're making, that anything is transmitting between 1199 1:24:53 --> 1:24:54 people. 1200 1:24:54 --> 1:25:01 So if you take things like scurvy and pellagra, they were also thought to be infectious diseases 1201 1:25:01 --> 1:25:07 because of man's imagination and thinking that everything seems to be passing around. 1202 1:25:07 --> 1:25:12 So both of those, where people used to be put into isolation when they had those conditions, 1203 1:25:12 --> 1:25:16 rather than simply given vitamins to completely correct it. 1204 1:25:21 --> 1:25:22 That's hundreds of years ago. 1205 1:25:22 --> 1:25:26 You go back hundreds of years when there were no microscopes. 1206 1:25:26 --> 1:25:27 They had no idea. 1207 1:25:28 --> 1:25:33 When you go back to scurvy and that, literally they had no idea what causes any disease. 1208 1:25:36 --> 1:25:42 The great plague of London was supposedly, what was it, a myasoma or whatever it was. 1209 1:25:42 --> 1:25:45 It was conducted through the air. 1210 1:25:46 --> 1:25:51 To go back to quote those things, I think is, well, not legit. 1211 1:25:51 --> 1:25:56 No, I think you're actually incorrect again because pellagra was described centuries ago. 1212 1:25:56 --> 1:25:59 But unfortunately, the Western world ignored the literature. 1213 1:25:59 --> 1:26:02 It was described as a dietary deficiency. 1214 1:26:02 --> 1:26:08 There were patterns that were recognized a long, long time ago, well before modern medicine. 1215 1:26:09 --> 1:26:16 And yet, unfortunately, it wasn't until last century that they worked out that pellagra 1216 1:26:16 --> 1:26:17 was a vitamin problem. 1217 1:26:18 --> 1:26:19 So no, that's not true. 1218 1:26:20 --> 1:26:22 They often knew far more than we thought. 1219 1:26:22 --> 1:26:31 But I think you're hanging on to the viral hypothesis when their own experiments have 1220 1:26:31 --> 1:26:32 refuted themselves. 1221 1:26:32 --> 1:26:40 And I'm not sure how you can hold tenable scientific evidence that has no controls 1222 1:26:42 --> 1:26:44 and that has refuted itself over and over again. 1223 1:26:44 --> 1:26:47 And I'm not talking about just contagion experiments. 1224 1:26:47 --> 1:26:52 We're talking about genomics, cell cultures, PCR, antibodies. 1225 1:26:52 --> 1:26:54 None of it's been done with valid control. 1226 1:26:54 --> 1:26:56 None of it followed the scientific method. 1227 1:26:56 --> 1:26:58 And that's what we're looking at. 1228 1:26:58 --> 1:27:01 We're not relying on opinions of experts or anything like that. 1229 1:27:01 --> 1:27:04 We're actually just looking at the scientific evidence. 1230 1:27:05 --> 1:27:06 Of course you are. 1231 1:27:06 --> 1:27:07 You're very good. 1232 1:27:07 --> 1:27:11 Jerry, Jerry, that's already nearly 20 minutes. 1233 1:27:11 --> 1:27:13 So enough. 1234 1:27:13 --> 1:27:13 Thank you. 1235 1:27:13 --> 1:27:14 Thank you. 1236 1:27:14 --> 1:27:17 It's a legitimate argument by the same token. 1237 1:27:18 --> 1:27:20 Well, it's a great argument. 1238 1:27:21 --> 1:27:25 Everybody please understand this is a very... 1239 1:27:26 --> 1:27:29 I've been facilitating groups for 29 years. 1240 1:27:30 --> 1:27:37 Stephen has created a space where we're not trying to convince each other of anything. 1241 1:27:37 --> 1:27:38 Jerry's expressed a view. 1242 1:27:38 --> 1:27:39 Mark's expressed a view. 1243 1:27:39 --> 1:27:41 We listen to these views. 1244 1:27:41 --> 1:27:43 You don't have to come out a winner. 1245 1:27:44 --> 1:27:46 You know, stop this model. 1246 1:27:46 --> 1:27:50 If two people disagree, one has to win, one has to lose. 1247 1:27:50 --> 1:27:50 It's not so. 1248 1:27:51 --> 1:27:54 Very rarely in life is it black and white. 1249 1:27:54 --> 1:27:56 And so listen to the conversation. 1250 1:27:56 --> 1:27:57 Make your choice, Jerry. 1251 1:27:57 --> 1:27:59 And thank you. 1252 1:27:59 --> 1:28:00 Anna is next from... 1253 1:28:00 --> 1:28:03 In fact, I forgot which state, Anna, of the US. 1254 1:28:06 --> 1:28:07 Thank you so much, Mark. 1255 1:28:08 --> 1:28:13 I think that one of the problems that scientists and doctors are having 1256 1:28:13 --> 1:28:19 is to understand that there are alternative explanations to what is going on. 1257 1:28:19 --> 1:28:24 We know that there's a correlation to 5G, to heavy metals, to... 1258 1:28:24 --> 1:28:27 In the shots now we're seeing... 1259 1:28:27 --> 1:28:30 Sasha Latipova just brought out that the Department of Defense 1260 1:28:30 --> 1:28:33 is really in charge of the entire operation 1261 1:28:33 --> 1:28:40 and that there's a lot of resistance, particularly in the freedom fighters, 1262 1:28:40 --> 1:28:44 against, number one, the virus delusion theory, 1263 1:28:44 --> 1:28:47 and then also the microtechnology theory, 1264 1:28:47 --> 1:28:54 and then also anything that really challenges the usual paradigm. 1265 1:28:54 --> 1:28:59 But fact is, is that exactly what you started your talk with, Mark, 1266 1:28:59 --> 1:29:03 that you looked into the studies and you can find the fraud 1267 1:29:03 --> 1:29:07 in cardiovascular disease, arteriosclerosis, all of that. 1268 1:29:07 --> 1:29:13 That is the Rockefeller medicine science model 1269 1:29:13 --> 1:29:19 that has enslaved scientists, universities, medical journals. 1270 1:29:19 --> 1:29:22 They own them, not enslaved, they own them. 1271 1:29:22 --> 1:29:27 And that much of what we know as clinicians has been fraud. 1272 1:29:27 --> 1:29:28 It's false. 1273 1:29:29 --> 1:29:34 And to get to the point of really being open-minded 1274 1:29:34 --> 1:29:41 and to say there is such a huge nefarious thing going on in this world, 1275 1:29:41 --> 1:29:48 a deception on a global scale that has deceived so many people, 1276 1:29:48 --> 1:29:53 including doctors and scientists, your methodology 1277 1:29:53 --> 1:29:59 and your meticulous approach in the PDF that you brought down 1278 1:29:59 --> 1:30:03 to take every single argument and to document that 1279 1:30:03 --> 1:30:05 has been phenomenal. 1280 1:30:05 --> 1:30:07 And I just want to say thank you for that. 1281 1:30:08 --> 1:30:14 And the flak that you've been getting from all sides has been tremendous. 1282 1:30:14 --> 1:30:19 But I think it all fits together now with some of us scientists 1283 1:30:19 --> 1:30:23 who are looking at the vase, who are looking at the nanotechnology, 1284 1:30:23 --> 1:30:26 who are looking at 5G, at the weaponization 1285 1:30:27 --> 1:30:34 against the population of this planet and using psychological warfare 1286 1:30:35 --> 1:30:37 through disinformation through that. 1287 1:30:37 --> 1:30:41 So my comment is just I want to thank you for that. 1288 1:30:41 --> 1:30:44 I do want to ask you in regards to the nanotechnology 1289 1:30:44 --> 1:30:49 that I know that Sam has also brought forward and the heavy metals 1290 1:30:49 --> 1:30:55 because you know that some of the symptoms of the previous pandemics 1291 1:30:55 --> 1:30:59 were caused by, for example, spreading arsenic and apple orchards. 1292 1:30:59 --> 1:31:04 And these heavy metals is the same thing that is being used in all vaccines. 1293 1:31:04 --> 1:31:09 Every single one of them has nano contamination of iron oxide, 1294 1:31:09 --> 1:31:14 titanium, tungsten, et cetera, just like the ones that are COVID-19. 1295 1:31:14 --> 1:31:18 And that weapons experts are telling us that that's all you need as an antenna 1296 1:31:18 --> 1:31:23 to affect a body, to kill it, to infect it with any type of symptoms 1297 1:31:23 --> 1:31:28 that look like an infectious disease but are not. 1298 1:31:28 --> 1:31:31 Could you comment on the part of the micro technology 1299 1:31:31 --> 1:31:36 and the nano contaminations, quote unquote, that are found in all vaccines 1300 1:31:36 --> 1:31:39 and that are actually causing the pandemics worldwide? 1301 1:31:40 --> 1:31:44 So Mark, before you start, Anna, can you just check, 1302 1:31:45 --> 1:31:48 as you were talking, there's a lot of static. 1303 1:31:48 --> 1:31:50 I think it's possibly from your microphone. 1304 1:31:50 --> 1:31:51 Just say a few words now. 1305 1:31:54 --> 1:31:55 Can you hear me? Okay. 1306 1:31:55 --> 1:31:58 Yes, there's the static from your microphone. 1307 1:31:58 --> 1:32:00 Okay, at least we've identified that, everybody. 1308 1:32:00 --> 1:32:01 That's the only issue. 1309 1:32:01 --> 1:32:01 No worries. 1310 1:32:01 --> 1:32:03 We can hear you loud and clear. 1311 1:32:03 --> 1:32:04 It's just a lot of static. 1312 1:32:04 --> 1:32:05 All right, Mark, over to you. 1313 1:32:07 --> 1:32:10 Well, thank you, Anna, for those lovely words. 1314 1:32:11 --> 1:32:17 Yeah, and just to touch on to what you mentioned about contamination environment. 1315 1:32:17 --> 1:32:20 And yeah, this is a problem. 1316 1:32:20 --> 1:32:25 And why are we trying to expose this fake virus theory? 1317 1:32:25 --> 1:32:28 Because what's happening is that over and over again, 1318 1:32:29 --> 1:32:34 there are things that happen, environmental contaminations, 1319 1:32:34 --> 1:32:38 which are then blamed conveniently on viruses that nobody can find. 1320 1:32:38 --> 1:32:41 So the classic example, yeah, was polio. 1321 1:32:42 --> 1:32:48 When the Western world was poisoned in the last century with lead arsenate and DDT. 1322 1:32:49 --> 1:32:52 And a whole lot of people got neurological symptoms and paralyzed, 1323 1:32:52 --> 1:32:55 and they invented the virus model to cover up that. 1324 1:32:56 --> 1:33:03 And then miraculously, in countries like ours, Australia and UK, America, 1325 1:33:03 --> 1:33:10 polio disappeared when DDT and these other pesticides were basically taken off the market. 1326 1:33:10 --> 1:33:15 And then polio appeared in the third world because they started exporting 1327 1:33:15 --> 1:33:18 these toxic chemicals to the third world, which they still do today. 1328 1:33:18 --> 1:33:24 Some of the chemicals going to the third world are not even consistent with what's on the label 1329 1:33:24 --> 1:33:28 because they know that they won't take them basically, 1330 1:33:28 --> 1:33:32 but they still need a product that appears like it's killing weeds or killing insects. 1331 1:33:33 --> 1:33:38 So some of them still contain some of these absolutely diabolical compounds. 1332 1:33:38 --> 1:33:45 And I suspect in these countries in Africa, a lot of these hemorrhagic fevers and other illnesses 1333 1:33:45 --> 1:33:52 we're seeing are simply contamination in their environment, being blamed on zoonotic viruses, 1334 1:33:52 --> 1:33:55 they call them, just jumping out of the jungle and affecting people. 1335 1:33:56 --> 1:34:02 But the theory is completely wrong because none of these alleged diseases ever get into 1336 1:34:02 --> 1:34:04 the first world, basically. 1337 1:34:05 --> 1:34:10 So yeah, I think it's a really important thing what you said, is that often it is 1338 1:34:11 --> 1:34:15 basically contamination in our environment, which is being covered up. 1339 1:34:15 --> 1:34:21 And it started with the Rockefellers and other institutions. 1340 1:34:22 --> 1:34:24 With regard to the microtech, yeah, it's a tough one. 1341 1:34:25 --> 1:34:32 So we've got teams in New Zealand that have done analyses of the vaccine contents 1342 1:34:32 --> 1:34:35 and it's hard to know exactly what's in them. 1343 1:34:35 --> 1:34:41 I've, most of the time we don't actually deal with that issue because we deal with the upstream 1344 1:34:41 --> 1:34:47 issue, which is that we don't believe that there's any evidence whatsoever that there 1345 1:34:47 --> 1:34:53 is pathogens, whether they're viruses and quotes or bacteria or any other microbes. 1346 1:34:53 --> 1:34:59 So to us, it's more important showing people that there's no need to get an injection in 1347 1:34:59 --> 1:35:07 the first place for anything, whether it's tetanus or rabies or any of the above. 1348 1:35:08 --> 1:35:13 Because again, we've looked into all of these and there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever 1349 1:35:13 --> 1:35:17 that having these injections has any benefit to the recipients. 1350 1:35:18 --> 1:35:26 So yeah, I don't know, the microtech stuff, the nanotech stuff, I mean, I'm sure they're 1351 1:35:26 --> 1:35:32 working on it, but it's difficult to know for me. I can't really comment on the extent to 1352 1:35:32 --> 1:35:39 how well developed it is and how much it's been distributed. I would say, don't buy into these 1353 1:35:39 --> 1:35:45 fear narratives. That's one thing that has concerned us with a lot of the freedom community 1354 1:35:45 --> 1:35:51 is that even when they come to grips with the fact that COVID has been a scam, 1355 1:35:52 --> 1:35:56 but then people start getting worried that there are other things going on, which are going to 1356 1:35:56 --> 1:36:02 cause major problems, whether it's release of some sort of nanotech or whatever. I personally think 1357 1:36:02 --> 1:36:12 the body is incredibly robust. And if you're leading a life of best nutrition, best habits, 1358 1:36:13 --> 1:36:18 a spiritual connection, all those sorts of things, you've got every chance of being well. 1359 1:36:18 --> 1:36:22 And if we can just help people understand that, I think we'll all be in a much better place. But 1360 1:36:23 --> 1:36:27 yeah, it's not the nanotech stuff is not something we've done a couple of 1361 1:36:28 --> 1:36:33 articles and videos on it, but it's not something we've spent a lot of time looking into. 1362 1:36:36 --> 1:36:42 All right, Mark, thank you. And Mark, Anna did a wonderful presentation to us a couple of weeks 1363 1:36:42 --> 1:36:49 ago. I'll send you the link to her presentation. And did a wonderful traversing of a wide range 1364 1:36:49 --> 1:36:55 of health modalities and learning modalities that I think you would thoroughly enjoy. And Anna, 1365 1:36:56 --> 1:37:05 I honor your willingness to go broadly. I was raised that way to go broadly. And the one question 1366 1:37:05 --> 1:37:10 that we're not addressing is, hey, it's something external that's made us sick. Well, Mark, you just 1367 1:37:10 --> 1:37:14 keep saying I just bring it to people's attention. If you're not healthy, you're not going to be 1368 1:37:14 --> 1:37:21 particularly well. And I was raised at an early age that when you're getting stuff out of your 1369 1:37:21 --> 1:37:25 body, that's a wonderful elimination process. But we want to stop the elimination. 1370 1:37:26 --> 1:37:32 Yeah. And Charles, I just have to say, I mean, Sam and I, we're a living example with our family 1371 1:37:32 --> 1:37:38 of we have nothing to do with the allopathic medical system. Like our kids are not registered 1372 1:37:38 --> 1:37:44 for anything. They're not vaccinated. One of our three kids in the last decade, 1373 1:37:45 --> 1:37:50 one of them has basically had a pharmaceutical, which was five days of antibiotics. And that was 1374 1:37:50 --> 1:37:57 10 years ago. And we regret that now. That was a mistake. But within our family, I mean, 1375 1:37:57 --> 1:38:02 we're a family of five, we are incredibly healthy. And as I say, nobody's registered with a GP. 1376 1:38:03 --> 1:38:07 Nobody gets vaccinations. Nobody takes a pharmacy. I don't think I've had 1377 1:38:08 --> 1:38:13 pharmaceutical in my product for at least three years that would include paracetamol, 1378 1:38:13 --> 1:38:21 aspirin. I don't take any of that stuff. You simply we have basically rejected all of the training 1379 1:38:21 --> 1:38:27 that we received in allopathic medicine. And I guess people try and say we're naturopaths. Now 1380 1:38:27 --> 1:38:34 we're happy to be I'm honestly, I think it's far more powerful in terms of leading to 1381 1:38:34 --> 1:38:40 absolute perfect health compared to anything the allopathic medicine medical system has to offer. 1382 1:38:40 --> 1:38:47 And unfortunately, I have family members who still buy into these medical models and their kids are 1383 1:38:47 --> 1:38:54 sick. Their kids have got these inflammatory conditions. They're constantly having antibiotics 1384 1:38:54 --> 1:39:01 and all this sort of thing. And it's, yeah, it's, as I say, I think the best all of us can do 1385 1:39:02 --> 1:39:09 in this sort of movement we're part of is to show that it is possible to be incredibly healthy and 1386 1:39:09 --> 1:39:15 live without fear, and not listen to these nonsense coming from public health officials 1387 1:39:15 --> 1:39:17 and the WHO and CDC, etc. 1388 1:39:19 --> 1:39:27 Well said, Mark. Well, you'll see Ray Zipsa-Locker. Wonderful Latin maxim used by lawyers. 1389 1:39:27 --> 1:39:35 The facts speak for themselves. And I'm 70 this week. I have five children. I don't have a doctor. 1390 1:39:36 --> 1:39:40 I've never been to hospital except for a vasectomy and a reversal of vasectomy. 1391 1:39:40 --> 1:39:49 And if you live life as Mark says, and if you live as he's done, and if you live life as I've done, 1392 1:39:49 --> 1:39:55 and I know very few people who have done that, you don't get sick. And if you do get sick, 1393 1:39:55 --> 1:40:00 you stop for three days and you're back as good as normal, rather than this allopathic model that 1394 1:40:00 --> 1:40:08 you have to put some poison into your body. So let's not go there. But this forum, you see, 1395 1:40:08 --> 1:40:14 you come to this forum to learn new ways to be healthy. Do you want to be healthy? If you don't 1396 1:40:14 --> 1:40:19 want to be healthy, don't come to this forum. And if you're provoked by conversations about 1397 1:40:19 --> 1:40:26 getting healthy, good. Be provoked because 60 plus percent of Americans, Australians, 1398 1:40:26 --> 1:40:33 English, I don't know about New Zealanders, probably, over 60% of the populations are 1399 1:40:33 --> 1:40:39 overweight or obese. How the hell can you cleanse complain about being unhealthy? 1400 1:40:40 --> 1:40:47 Randy Stewart, over to you. That's great, Charles. Thank you. Yeah, I was up until 1401 1:40:49 --> 1:40:54 I wasn't going to preface this with with this comment until you were talking about that. But 1402 1:40:54 --> 1:41:01 up until 2018, I followed the standard standard American diet and the protocols and the 1403 1:41:02 --> 1:41:07 the advice on how to be healthy. But I wasn't healthy and I was way overweight. And I had all 1404 1:41:07 --> 1:41:15 the chronic diseases of old age. I was only 61 that I felt 10 or 15 years older. Four years later, 1405 1:41:15 --> 1:41:23 now, after learning about health and the microbiome and all the different things, 1406 1:41:24 --> 1:41:30 removing the toxins, giving yourself the good nutrition, all of that. I'm 120 pounds lighter. 1407 1:41:32 --> 1:41:41 Yes. And instead of 65, I feel like I'm 35. And I act like I'm 35. Now, why do you change your name 1408 1:41:41 --> 1:41:50 to Randy? Does that have something to do with it? Randy, your microphone's very low or I don't know 1409 1:41:50 --> 1:41:58 whether it's something on. Yes, sometimes this mic will do that on me. That's better. That's better. 1410 1:41:58 --> 1:42:05 Just if you got a bit closer. I just got it closer to my mouth. So I will speak up too. So 1411 1:42:05 --> 1:42:16 to make sure. So anyway, and thank you, Dr. Bailey, for being willing to question. I know 1412 1:42:16 --> 1:42:21 many doctors who have questioned. It doesn't necessarily mean we have all the answers. I know 1413 1:42:21 --> 1:42:27 I don't. People always want to know, well, if you're telling me everything, it's not. What is it? 1414 1:42:28 --> 1:42:34 One of the things that I've thought about and I want to get your comment on it is, 1415 1:42:35 --> 1:42:44 if you know who Karen Kingston is, she's spoken often about a presentation by Dr. James Giordano 1416 1:42:44 --> 1:42:51 that was given at Georgetown University in 2017 about how militaries around the world have been 1417 1:42:51 --> 1:42:57 working on psychological operations to trigger pandemics for decades. 1418 1:43:00 --> 1:43:09 So at some point in place and time, an outbreak is triggered by a poison, an EMF, a sound waveform 1419 1:43:09 --> 1:43:18 weapon, or even a pathogen that makes people sick but has limited spread. Then this is coupled with 1420 1:43:18 --> 1:43:25 a narrative that triggers hypochondria response and propagates fear and panic in the general 1421 1:43:25 --> 1:43:37 population. One example of this would be the anthrax scare in the US after 9-11. 1422 1:43:39 --> 1:43:45 Even that was one of the examples Dr. Giordano gave because he said even his organization, 1423 1:43:45 --> 1:43:50 that was one of the ones where they had a spill of some equal or sweet and low or something like 1424 1:43:50 --> 1:43:55 that in the mail room and they had to lock down their facility because they thought it was 1425 1:43:55 --> 1:44:04 anthrax powder. So when Omicon, I call it Omicon, was identified all of a sudden, 1426 1:44:05 --> 1:44:13 all cases of C-19 were all of a sudden Omicon. It was seemingly a badge of honor to get sick 1427 1:44:13 --> 1:44:21 and announce that you knew you had Omicon. So like I said, people want to know if there's no virus 1428 1:44:21 --> 1:44:28 and I'm on the fence but I'm starting to lean more into your camp of saying okay, 1429 1:44:30 --> 1:44:34 in this case anyway, I don't think there's a specific virus but whether there's any viruses 1430 1:44:34 --> 1:44:44 or not, at all or not, I'm still out on that but I'm researching it and I will follow your website 1431 1:44:44 --> 1:44:52 too to get more information on that. But if it isn't that, obviously they want to know what am I 1432 1:44:52 --> 1:45:03 sick from? And I think it's this Psyop type of situation driven by all these regular illnesses 1433 1:45:03 --> 1:45:10 that have been relabeled as this single one new disease which SARS-CoV-2 is a 1434 1:45:13 --> 1:45:18 new, a novel disease. How can you call something that's too novel? I don't know. I never got that. 1435 1:45:20 --> 1:45:30 But then they enhance the adverse events and the deaths and stuff like that by deadly hospital 1436 1:45:30 --> 1:45:37 protocols. None of the protocols that were authorized for this were ones that got people 1437 1:45:37 --> 1:45:46 better and they created organ failure symptoms and they withheld nutrition to create malnutrition 1438 1:45:46 --> 1:45:57 which obviously we believe drives disease processes. So boil it down to what my question is, 1439 1:45:57 --> 1:46:04 what do you think of this as possibility of being some huge psychological operation 1440 1:46:05 --> 1:46:14 driven by those that would be one possible candidate would be World Economic Forum, 1441 1:46:15 --> 1:46:20 the Great Reset, stuff like that. Maybe it's them, maybe it's a group of other people, I don't know. 1442 1:46:20 --> 1:46:27 But what do you think about that? Is it being a psychological operation to drive people to 1443 1:46:27 --> 1:46:35 relabel everything that's one disease and now everyone's in a panic? What can we do? 1444 1:46:36 --> 1:46:45 Save us all now. Yeah, well it's definitely possible to create the illusion of a pandemic and 1445 1:46:46 --> 1:46:54 Sam actually did a good video called How to Create an Epidemic and it goes over some of the 1446 1:46:54 --> 1:46:59 psychological factors that are involved when the population is under the illusion that something's 1447 1:46:59 --> 1:47:05 happening. And one of the examples she used was the famous incident in the United States where 1448 1:47:05 --> 1:47:12 people thought their windscreens were getting pits, you know, little divots out of them. And 1449 1:47:12 --> 1:47:18 basically it became a national news story and everybody started focusing on their windscreens 1450 1:47:18 --> 1:47:24 and there was this absolute epidemic of, you know, problems with people's windscreens. 1451 1:47:24 --> 1:47:28 They had investigative committees looking into it, people started panicking that there was some 1452 1:47:28 --> 1:47:34 nuclear fallout, that the Russians had done something. All sorts of hypotheses were being 1453 1:47:34 --> 1:47:40 put forward before they realized it was just a normal phenomenon. There was nothing unusual 1454 1:47:40 --> 1:47:46 about it, the same thing could be found all around the world. So yeah, you do definitely, 1455 1:47:46 --> 1:47:53 and I think what happens in the COVID situation was they did some very careful product placement 1456 1:47:53 --> 1:48:00 at the start of people just dropping dead in the street or falling, collapsing, you know. We didn't 1457 1:48:00 --> 1:48:05 know exactly where it was or why those people were collapsing but we were being told that it 1458 1:48:05 --> 1:48:11 was a deadly new virus, you know, etc. So the idea was planted. Because I found that what was 1459 1:48:11 --> 1:48:18 interesting was with the whole lab leak hypothesis and the Wuhan Institute of Virology and people 1460 1:48:18 --> 1:48:25 saying it's a big cover-up, not the case. This was in the mainstream media in early 2020 and 1461 1:48:25 --> 1:48:30 we could see these stories in the Daily Mail and other publications which were being viewed by 1462 1:48:30 --> 1:48:37 millions of people. So these ideas were being created in people's minds that, you know, 1463 1:48:37 --> 1:48:43 potentially this pathogen, in quotes, had escaped from the lab. And I think it does. It creates a 1464 1:48:44 --> 1:48:50 psychological illusion basically that there's something going on that's not. Like you can 1465 1:48:50 --> 1:48:56 imagine if you didn't have, if you were living in a log cabin and didn't see all of that news 1466 1:48:56 --> 1:49:04 coming out of Wuhan in early 2020, you'd walk around as though nothing was unusual because 1467 1:49:05 --> 1:49:10 nothing was unusual. I mean that's what we found amazing when New Zealand went into one of the 1468 1:49:10 --> 1:49:16 severest lockdowns in the world in March 2020. People were basically shut in their homes, 1469 1:49:16 --> 1:49:23 couldn't do anything. And we would just go outside and speak to neighbours going, 1470 1:49:23 --> 1:49:28 there's nothing going on. And they'd go, oh, there's a pandemic, da da da da. And we'd go, 1471 1:49:28 --> 1:49:34 where? Who do you know that's sick? And they'd go, oh, you know, people are dropping dead in 1472 1:49:34 --> 1:49:42 Italy and Wuhan and da da da da. And we'd say to them, have you, do you know anyone? Has anyone 1473 1:49:42 --> 1:49:46 around the world that you know contacted you and said that there's some terrible thing happening 1474 1:49:46 --> 1:49:51 in this city? Because everyone we talked to says the same thing. They say that the local hospitals 1475 1:49:51 --> 1:49:58 are not full. They say that they don't know anyone. That's unwell. And yet if you tuned into the 1476 1:49:58 --> 1:50:05 internet or the TV, there was just total chaos everywhere. You know, case numbers going through 1477 1:50:05 --> 1:50:11 the roof. So yeah, no, I think you're correct. I think these are largely psychological constructs 1478 1:50:12 --> 1:50:18 which have absolutely no basis in reality. And as we talked about earlier, there was no new condition. 1479 1:50:18 --> 1:50:25 You can basically see that in the scientific literature. The definition of COVID-19 is nothing 1480 1:50:26 --> 1:50:32 apart from the PCR results. So yeah, I mean, is that sort of what you mean? 1481 1:50:33 --> 1:50:38 That's what I mean, yeah. And I guess the follow-up would be what would be some way to 1482 1:50:40 --> 1:50:45 trigger them, you know, the old hypnotized routine. When I snap my fingers, you'll wake up. 1483 1:50:46 --> 1:50:50 What can we use to snap our fingers that wakes the most people up? 1484 1:50:54 --> 1:51:00 Well, I think the best way is just to show like what you've done. You're a demonstration of what 1485 1:51:00 --> 1:51:07 it takes to restore health and be healthy. I mean, I think your case alone is an inspiration to 1486 1:51:07 --> 1:51:14 people. And Sam and I try and do the same. We try and show that you don't need to live with fear and 1487 1:51:14 --> 1:51:21 panic. And I mean, the reasons people get sick is actually really simple. It comes down to either 1488 1:51:21 --> 1:51:28 they're eating too much rubbish, they're not eating enough good stuff and getting nutrients, 1489 1:51:28 --> 1:51:35 they're not doing enough exercise, or they're being poisoned in some way, like whether intentionally 1490 1:51:35 --> 1:51:44 with, you know, drugs or cigarettes, or some environmental toxins such as DDT. 1491 1:51:45 --> 1:51:49 So the other kind of physical things, once you take care of those four things, 1492 1:51:50 --> 1:51:56 you should be in pretty good stead. And the other realm, of course, is the psychological and spiritual 1493 1:51:56 --> 1:52:01 realm. If people are incredibly unhappy, and a lot of people are, they don't like their work, 1494 1:52:02 --> 1:52:07 like their family situation, then that will manifest eventually as physical illness as well. 1495 1:52:08 --> 1:52:14 So I mean, I think the principles of health are actually incredibly simple. And that's why I said, 1496 1:52:14 --> 1:52:20 you don't want to listen to public health officials and the CDC, WHO, etc., who all make it 1497 1:52:20 --> 1:52:25 sound so complicated. They sound like you need teams around the world working out what's going 1498 1:52:25 --> 1:52:30 on and where the latest diseases are coming from. It's all complete nonsense. 1499 1:52:31 --> 1:52:31 Just listen to me. 1500 1:52:31 --> 1:52:37 All right, Randy, we've got to keep moving because we're finishing in half an hour. 1501 1:52:38 --> 1:52:42 Mark, are you okay? You don't need to go to the toilet. Are you okay for the next half hour? 1502 1:52:42 --> 1:52:43 Do you want to take a break? 1503 1:52:43 --> 1:52:45 I'm glad to hear that. 1504 1:52:45 --> 1:52:51 All right. So, Randy, I've just had an idea. How do you wake them up? The immediate picture 1505 1:52:51 --> 1:52:58 that came into my mind was Peter and Gordon's wonderful song about Lady Godiva. We need 1506 1:52:58 --> 1:53:03 naked men and women on horseback riding down the street. That'll wake people up. All right. 1507 1:53:03 --> 1:53:09 All right. Leo. 1508 1:53:09 --> 1:53:17 Leo's our primate expert in Borneo, Mark. Just thought you'd like to know that. 1509 1:53:17 --> 1:53:24 It's 6am here. Mark, thank you very much. It was very nice to hear your words. And you might have 1510 1:53:25 --> 1:53:31 already answered my question by mentioning the monumentally suspicious molecular number of a 1511 1:53:31 --> 1:53:36 medal a couple of times there. But I work with wild primates and a lot of other animals, and I 1512 1:53:36 --> 1:53:43 have never seen a war or a veruca on any of them until we bring them into captivity. And following 1513 1:53:43 --> 1:53:48 quite closely the whole debate about the existence of viruses and everything that's going on, I 1514 1:53:48 --> 1:53:56 wondered if you might have an explanation as to what perhaps one of the more visual or obvious 1515 1:53:56 --> 1:54:04 supposedly viral contagious diseases or manifestations might be causing it if not 1516 1:54:04 --> 1:54:08 viral. And again, as I say, I think you might have already answered it. But lovely to hear you speak, 1517 1:54:08 --> 1:54:15 Brent. Yeah, thanks. It's actually we should, if I could, Leo, it would be interesting to get in 1518 1:54:15 --> 1:54:21 touch with you because Sam wanted to do a video on HPV because it is something that we get asked 1519 1:54:21 --> 1:54:27 about a lot. And it is so prevalent, of course, in humans that virtually every human will experience 1520 1:54:27 --> 1:54:36 what they are told is a wart or a veruca or some other lesion on their body. Yeah, I mean, 1521 1:54:36 --> 1:54:42 essentially, like most things, it's the body attempting to heal itself. And with the HPV, 1522 1:54:42 --> 1:54:48 we've got to remember, there's two different things here. There are warts and verucae, 1523 1:54:48 --> 1:54:55 which are real, we can obviously see them. And then there's HPV, which I think is the fictitious 1524 1:54:55 --> 1:55:03 entity, which is being blamed on causing these reactions. So what HPV comes down to in a nutshell 1525 1:55:04 --> 1:55:11 is essentially, again, they never showed that there was a replication component particle 1526 1:55:11 --> 1:55:15 that they could take and infect other things. All they found was that they had abnormal tissue. 1527 1:55:16 --> 1:55:21 And if they took, did genetic sequencing from that tissue, they could find 1528 1:55:22 --> 1:55:28 various what they said were the HPV genomes complete. And you'll see, you know, there's 1529 1:55:28 --> 1:55:33 different HPVs, they'll have numbers associated to them, which are allegedly the different variants 1530 1:55:33 --> 1:55:40 of HPV. But again, like all of the other alleged viruses like SARS-CoV-2, they are just simply 1531 1:55:40 --> 1:55:45 constructs that have been put together. So bits of genetic sequences that have been found 1532 1:55:45 --> 1:55:51 in tissue coming from humans and sometimes other animals. But yeah, again, we get to the fundamental 1533 1:55:51 --> 1:55:57 problem with HPV. Did they ever show that there's a particle that fulfills the description of a 1534 1:55:57 --> 1:56:04 virus? No. Are there clinical entities? Yes. But the two of them just don't match up. But 1535 1:56:05 --> 1:56:12 I have to be honest, I haven't done a really, really deep dive into HPV just yet. So give us, 1536 1:56:13 --> 1:56:18 hopefully this year sometime, we'll have a video out and we'll do a much deeper dive into this. 1537 1:56:19 --> 1:56:26 But yeah, I'd actually, if Charles or Stephen could just put me in touch with you just by email. 1538 1:56:27 --> 1:56:33 Mark, if you could remember to email me, I will loop in them, Leo. 1539 1:56:34 --> 1:56:40 Yeah, yeah, because I think that the observation... I'm part of your wife's subscribe star and actually 1540 1:56:40 --> 1:56:46 Watson, Veruca or Korn's are also well documented as a side effect of arsenic poisoning. 1541 1:56:46 --> 1:56:50 So I'll drop your wife a line and yeah, that'd be great to talk. I've got a chat that would be 1542 1:56:50 --> 1:56:56 very interested to speak to you. Thanks for your time, friend. Yeah, that would be fantastic. 1543 1:56:56 --> 1:57:05 Very interesting. My first contact with Leo, he told me that there'd been no pandemic in the chimps, 1544 1:57:05 --> 1:57:11 which he was most interested in. Oh no, sorry, the orangutan. Orangutan. Orangutan. Yeah, 1545 1:57:11 --> 1:57:17 I'm orangutan, but it's primates worldwide. There has been zero health impacts. And he would have 1546 1:57:17 --> 1:57:23 expected if there was a viral illness, you know, a pandemic caused by a viral illness, that that 1547 1:57:23 --> 1:57:27 would have gone into the primate population. I don't know how he expected that, but anyway. 1548 1:57:28 --> 1:57:35 Because the other thing, Leo, was yeah, with the arsenic connection and the chemical toxicity 1549 1:57:35 --> 1:57:40 connection, we're also looking into that with regards to smallpox, because it seems to be 1550 1:57:41 --> 1:57:47 that many of these conditions which have been blamed on contagion and viruses, etc., 1551 1:57:47 --> 1:57:56 you know, even anthrax, smallpox, potentially HPV, seem to relate more closely to chemical toxicity. 1552 1:57:56 --> 1:58:04 And that may be why in the wild, in your animals, you're not seeing some of these lesions, but then 1553 1:58:04 --> 1:58:09 when they come into contact with humans, because of some chemical we're exposing them to, they start 1554 1:58:09 --> 1:58:17 getting the lesions. But yeah, to me, the whole mechanism of warts is the body trying to warts 1555 1:58:17 --> 1:58:26 something off and protect. It's similar to the mechanisms of cancer, vesicles, tonsils that 1556 1:58:26 --> 1:58:31 become exudative. They're all mechanisms where the body is trying to eliminate something. 1557 1:58:31 --> 1:58:37 It's there's something in there. And yeah, it's a really interesting topic. So yeah, 1558 1:58:37 --> 1:58:42 no, if you could get in touch, that'd be appreciated. Thanks for your time, brother. 1559 1:58:43 --> 1:58:53 Well done, Leo. Thank you, Leo. And Sanjoy. Hi. Mark, thanks for your presentation and all that 1560 1:58:53 --> 1:58:59 everyone on the No Virus team has done. It's convinced me that I was fairly convinced that 1561 1:58:59 --> 1:59:05 COVID was fake. And now I'm convinced that all viruses are fake. But I still wonder about bacteria, 1562 1:59:05 --> 1:59:09 because they seem to be in a different category. You can, as you said, you can see them in a 1563 1:59:09 --> 1:59:15 microscope, you can probably crystallize it and you can sequence them. What's your view on bacteria 1564 1:59:15 --> 1:59:22 and bacterial illnesses? Same as viruses, it's all fake, or maybe the bacteria cleanup. I'm 1565 1:59:22 --> 1:59:29 just curious if it's in a different category. Yeah, well, correct. None of us deny that 1566 1:59:30 --> 1:59:38 bacteria exist. They do. And we can see them and we can see them replicate, we can isolate them 1567 1:59:38 --> 1:59:43 and cultures, we can characterize them and sequence their genetic codes, etc. So no problem 1568 1:59:43 --> 1:59:50 there. But yeah, I think the no bacteria that I've ever investigated can be shown to be 1569 1:59:50 --> 1:59:59 pathogenic. So we went right back to Cox studies with tuberculosis, and where he claimed that the 1570 1:59:59 --> 2:00:06 bacilli were passing between animals. But all he showed was that if you kept animals in cages for 1571 2:00:06 --> 2:00:12 long enough, and probably under stressful enough conditions that they would develop tuberculosis, 1572 2:00:12 --> 2:00:18 you know, clinically. He didn't show that you could bring animals into contact with each other 1573 2:00:18 --> 2:00:23 for, you know, a couple of days, and then that also gets sick. That never happened. You had to 1574 2:00:23 --> 2:00:30 keep them living together under the same conditions. And I think that's what was mistaken. You know, 1575 2:00:30 --> 2:00:34 TB was alleged to be a contagious condition. And, and they said, you know, you have to live in the 1576 2:00:34 --> 2:00:40 household with someone for six weeks or something, because it's only a little bit contagious. But I 1577 2:00:40 --> 2:00:45 think what they're missing there is that the reason it's not contagious at all, you have to be in that 1578 2:00:45 --> 2:00:50 household for six weeks to experience those conditions, like those same environmental 1579 2:00:50 --> 2:00:58 conditions. So whether it's dampness, mold, poor nutrients, you know, the building's too cold, 1580 2:00:58 --> 2:01:03 all that sort of stuff, which ends up causing damage to your own lungs. And then you'll get 1581 2:01:03 --> 2:01:11 tuberculosis, basically. But the bacteria themselves, like if we did a supersensitive study 1582 2:01:11 --> 2:01:16 on you today, got you to cough up something, no doubt we'd find all sorts of things. We might find 1583 2:01:17 --> 2:01:25 some micro bacterium, we might find some pertussis in there, we'd find all sorts of things, but in my 1584 2:01:25 --> 2:01:30 tiny, tiny quantities, and they're not going, they're not going to do anything. But if you 1585 2:01:30 --> 2:01:36 became malnourished or got hypothermia, did some trauma to your lungs in one way or another, 1586 2:01:37 --> 2:01:43 the tissue is going to die, basically. And as it dies, the bacteria that are there will do what 1587 2:01:43 --> 2:01:49 they do as cleanup crews, and they'll proliferate. And unfortunately, mainstream medicine will 1588 2:01:49 --> 2:01:54 mistake that as an infection. And they'll think that the bugs have got inside you somehow and 1589 2:01:54 --> 2:02:00 attacked your tissue. But there's no evidence in the world, in any study, that bacteria will 1590 2:02:00 --> 2:02:06 attack healthy tissue in that way, something has to go wrong first. And we're in this marvellous, 1591 2:02:08 --> 2:02:13 you know, harmony, basically, with all the microbes that are around us, which simply 1592 2:02:14 --> 2:02:22 do their job. Now, there are instances when if you had a part of your body that was massively damaged, 1593 2:02:22 --> 2:02:29 and you had huge destruction of tissue, and it was being broken down, then some of the byproducts 1594 2:02:29 --> 2:02:34 from the microbes will become toxic to you. And that could eventually lead to serious illness 1595 2:02:34 --> 2:02:40 and death, obviously. But again, it was not precipitated, it was the bacteria themselves 1596 2:02:40 --> 2:02:46 are not pathogens. But if you look at, because the animal studies in this area are fascinating as 1597 2:02:46 --> 2:02:51 well. And I didn't know this when I was practicing as a doctor at medical school. But if you take 1598 2:02:51 --> 2:02:58 pure cultures of even things like cholera, which is supposed to cause disease, we take a pure culture, 1599 2:02:58 --> 2:03:03 without any other contaminants in it, and you give that to people to drink, they won't get sick, 1600 2:03:03 --> 2:03:10 it doesn't happen. If you give them dirty water, that does have some of the same bacteria in that 1601 2:03:10 --> 2:03:16 sample, you will get sick, but it's not from the bacteria, it's from the toxins that are in the 1602 2:03:16 --> 2:03:22 water. But again, what's happened with germ theory is that everything has been blamed on the microbes. 1603 2:03:23 --> 2:03:29 And even with things like TB, when they've tried to transmit it between animals, it doesn't work. 1604 2:03:29 --> 2:03:35 So what they've resorted to is these most bizarre studies, where they'll get huge doses 1605 2:03:36 --> 2:03:42 of mycobacterium, and put it in a nebulizer, and put it over an animal's face so they can't 1606 2:03:42 --> 2:03:47 breathe anything else, and then force nebulize them for like 15 or 20 minutes. 1607 2:03:48 --> 2:03:53 And then they notice that it causes damage inside their lungs when they do an autopsy 1608 2:03:53 --> 2:03:58 six weeks later, and claim that that's an infectious disease. And you think, well, 1609 2:03:58 --> 2:04:05 I've never seen a cow walking in a paddock and suddenly get forced nebulized for 15 or 20 minutes. 1610 2:04:06 --> 2:04:12 You know, it's supposedly, it's supposed to just come into contact with other cows and pick up these 1611 2:04:12 --> 2:04:18 diseases, which clearly doesn't happen. Something has to go wrong for the animal first, and then 1612 2:04:19 --> 2:04:24 it gets the proliferation. Because, you know, one interesting thing I've done some work on is 1613 2:04:24 --> 2:04:29 whooping cough, because, as you know, it's alleged to be caused by Borditalipetussis. 1614 2:04:30 --> 2:04:36 And I went back to Bordeaux's original study, and all that happened was he had kids who had 1615 2:04:36 --> 2:04:42 whooping cough, and he found that when they coughed up sputum, this was just over 100 years ago, 1616 2:04:42 --> 2:04:51 he was able to isolate Borditalipetussis. But again, they mistook causation with association. 1617 2:04:51 --> 2:04:57 And I see that problem now, where if you go and take sputum samples from people, 1618 2:04:58 --> 2:05:04 you can just about, about 60%, 50% of the time, you'll find Borditalia. And yet the person is 1619 2:05:04 --> 2:05:09 completely asymptomatic. And it's just because the PCR is so sensitive now that we can detect very 1620 2:05:09 --> 2:05:13 small amounts of Borditalia, compared to in the past, where we had to get a sputum sample 1621 2:05:14 --> 2:05:18 and culture it up and actually try and grow the bacteria, which was much harder to do. So, 1622 2:05:19 --> 2:05:25 yeah, I think that's a really fascinating area. And I think, again, it comes back to the fact that 1623 2:05:25 --> 2:05:30 germ theory should never have been called a theory, it should have been called the hypothesis. 1624 2:05:30 --> 2:05:34 And bacteria are in the same boat, they're not pathogens. 1625 2:05:36 --> 2:05:37 Thanks, that's very informative. 1626 2:05:39 --> 2:05:44 Thank you, Sons, very excellent question. Just before we get to Shimon, Angela, and Claire, 1627 2:05:45 --> 2:05:52 Claire, I'm doubtful we'll get to you. Mark Warner asked the question, what about the alleged 1628 2:05:52 --> 2:06:00 smallpox devastation of North American Indians? Is it that the idea that, hey, 1629 2:06:00 --> 2:06:07 white man came smallpox, the decimative? This is a fascinating one. And sometimes there's a 1630 2:06:07 --> 2:06:12 microbiologist who still agrees to talk to Sam and I, he's semi-retired, and he sort of sits on the 1631 2:06:12 --> 2:06:19 fence a bit with the whole pathogen thing. And he brought that up once to me and said, because I 1632 2:06:19 --> 2:06:24 had him on the back foot, we were talking about all of the scientific evidence with regard to 1633 2:06:24 --> 2:06:29 showing the concept of contagion. And then he brought that very example up. He said that, and 1634 2:06:29 --> 2:06:39 I said, what scientific paper are you referring to? And he just looked completely blank. And I said, 1635 2:06:39 --> 2:06:46 can I see some sort of documentation of what took place? And he went away for a week and came back 1636 2:06:46 --> 2:06:52 and said he admitted that it was just basically mythology that had been repeated over and over 1637 2:06:52 --> 2:06:59 again. And if you actually look at what happened in South America, I mean, basically, the natives 1638 2:06:59 --> 2:07:06 were completely just exterminated by the conquistadors. It didn't require any smallpox. 1639 2:07:06 --> 2:07:12 They were basically taking all their food off them. They were turning them into slaves. They 1640 2:07:12 --> 2:07:17 were forcing them off their land. They were making them adapt ways of life that they weren't familiar 1641 2:07:17 --> 2:07:24 with. They were putting them under all sorts of stress they'd never been exposed to. And possibly 1642 2:07:24 --> 2:07:34 as well with regard to the whole blanket theory, again, it may have been a chemical poison. I mean, 1643 2:07:34 --> 2:07:39 the thing was that chemical poisons have been known about since the Roman times. I mean, that 1644 2:07:39 --> 2:07:45 was such a common way to kill people or poison water supplies. And certainly when the Spanish 1645 2:07:45 --> 2:07:50 went into South America, they would have known about poisons as well. So another possibility with 1646 2:07:50 --> 2:07:56 the blanket story was that the blankets were simply contaminated with something else. Because 1647 2:07:56 --> 2:08:00 the story of how the smallpox got there is also a bit strange because it would have been a six-week 1648 2:08:00 --> 2:08:10 journey. So how were the Spanish traveling overseas for six weeks while they had smallpox, 1649 2:08:10 --> 2:08:14 which was supposed to be a fatal condition? And wouldn't they have all been dying on the 1650 2:08:15 --> 2:08:21 ship on the way over? So yeah, I think that comes down to the same thing. Where is the actual 1651 2:08:21 --> 2:08:28 scientific evidence that this took place? As far as I can see, it's mythology. And the other problem 1652 2:08:28 --> 2:08:34 is smallpox has the same issue, is that there's no study on Earth which shows that they isolated 1653 2:08:34 --> 2:08:41 a particle that's got any infectious capabilities. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. I love it. 1654 2:08:41 --> 2:08:48 I love being and having our pre-existing models question like that microbiologist who sits on 1655 2:08:48 --> 2:08:57 the fence. I'd like a picture of that, please. Shimon, next. Thank you. First, thanks, Mark, 1656 2:08:57 --> 2:09:06 for your great presentation. Happy to meet you in person. We have a mutual friend, Tom Cowan. 1657 2:09:08 --> 2:09:16 So I'm not a medical doctor, I'm just a researcher. I bring science to the equation, so do you. And 1658 2:09:16 --> 2:09:23 you're one of the few doctors to do that. So well done to you and to your wife. 1659 2:09:25 --> 2:09:33 I want to start by saying that... Shimon, can I say to Mark, Shimon's in Israel, Mark. 1660 2:09:34 --> 2:09:44 Yeah, I forgot to mention that. So I did also some study into history. And I studied with 1661 2:09:44 --> 2:09:52 Jenner and Pasteur. And I found two things about Pasteur. First of all, he was a 32-degree, 1662 2:09:53 --> 2:10:01 32nd-degree Freemason. By the way, James Giordano and Anthony Fauci are both Jesuits. 1663 2:10:02 --> 2:10:12 Just a comment, I'm not going to get into this now. And basically, Pasteur invented a disease 1664 2:10:12 --> 2:10:22 called rabies, which does not exist. There is no such disease, let alone it's not viral. Anthrax 1665 2:10:23 --> 2:10:30 are bacteria that do exist, but they don't cause anything. He just invented two narratives. And he 1666 2:10:30 --> 2:10:41 actually killed some ten boys during his attempts to develop a vaccine against rabies. By the way, 1667 2:10:42 --> 2:10:50 dogs who get rabies are either starved or poisoned. And as Mark explained so well, 1668 2:10:51 --> 2:10:59 this is the theology of most diseases. You're either not malnourished or you're poisoned, 1669 2:10:59 --> 2:11:07 right? This will kill you eventually. And then I came across the Spanish flu. And 1670 2:11:07 --> 2:11:16 not only was it not contagious, it was not viral because we know what caused it. And I will paste 1671 2:11:16 --> 2:11:25 a link again to my research and video. So I was doing videos, Mark, as well. I saw a few of yours 1672 2:11:25 --> 2:11:34 and your wife. I'm rather unwell because I did get sick. Sorry, now this is something else. This is 1673 2:11:34 --> 2:11:41 not the right thing. So what happened in the Spanish flu was that the Rockefeller Institute 1674 2:11:41 --> 2:11:50 of Medical Research just prepared millions of doses of some toxin. It was allegedly an 1675 2:11:50 --> 2:11:58 anti-menagitis serum. And then it wasn't even World War I because it was American soldiers on US soil 1676 2:11:58 --> 2:12:04 that were about to be sent to Europe for the dying stages of World War I. And they were the ones 1677 2:12:04 --> 2:12:10 got injected with this first and then they sent it all over the world and then, voila, 1678 2:12:10 --> 2:12:16 the Spanish flu. And then Anthony Fauci came up with this fabricated story of some frozen bodies 1679 2:12:16 --> 2:12:23 in the permafrost of Alaska. I will find the link again to my research and video so I will not take 1680 2:12:23 --> 2:12:31 too much of your time. So this was a completely invented viral disease, but it was a premeditated 1681 2:12:31 --> 2:12:39 genocide. By the way, their reaction to the deaths that occurred, the millions of deaths that 1682 2:12:39 --> 2:12:52 occurred during this genocide was to ask people to look up and to wear masks or face prison time. 1683 2:12:53 --> 2:13:01 So they were blaming the victims for spreading the disease. This was the Spanish flu. 1684 2:13:01 --> 2:13:07 The reason the Spanish flu ended was that they simply at a certain point 1685 2:13:08 --> 2:13:19 stopped injecting people with these toxins and they waited until 2021 to resume this practice. 1686 2:13:19 --> 2:13:30 Now I would like to say that there are parasites and parasites are known to be infectious, but 1687 2:13:30 --> 2:13:36 even then, and some bacteria, the nice thing about bacteria is when you kiss somebody or 1688 2:13:36 --> 2:13:41 you can kiss your dog for all I care, there is a mutual exchange of bacteria, 1689 2:13:43 --> 2:13:51 but there is no mutual exchange of disease. So bacteria do not cause disease unless, 1690 2:13:52 --> 2:13:58 and this is, I mean, these people were obsessed with trying to weaponize bacteria. 1691 2:13:59 --> 2:14:06 And I can show you this paper from Nature is discussing the weaponization of bacteria. 1692 2:14:07 --> 2:14:16 So they can take bacteria and put plasmids in them that cause the production of some toxic 1693 2:14:16 --> 2:14:21 protein and then they can spray them on you. And the bacteria will initially produce this 1694 2:14:22 --> 2:14:28 in situ. This is what the paper is saying, toxic protein. And this could kill people, 1695 2:14:29 --> 2:14:34 but bacteria in the wild are different from bacteria in the lab and then they will eventually 1696 2:14:34 --> 2:14:39 die out and the disease will die out, but still they could try to attempt that. 1697 2:14:40 --> 2:14:51 And the nanotechnology, so they are so obsessed. So, Mark, I'm involved in international groups, 1698 2:14:51 --> 2:14:59 including groups in Australia and New Zealand, and we found amazing things that there are 1699 2:14:59 --> 2:15:10 synthetic organisms, right, not biological ones, that do carry toxins and they can even 1700 2:15:10 --> 2:15:15 propagate and move through the skin by skin contact and infect people. So these people are 1701 2:15:16 --> 2:15:25 obsessed with creating infection where no infection normally exists in nature. So I wanted to 1702 2:15:25 --> 2:15:33 congratulate you on your excellent words, Mark, and I would personally like to stay in touch with 1703 2:15:33 --> 2:15:39 you. Thank you. Email me, Shimon, and I'll put you in touch with Mark. Thank you. Yeah. 1704 2:15:41 --> 2:15:47 So, Shimon, Carla put the link to your video into the chat for you, Mark. 1705 2:15:48 --> 2:15:50 Okay, thank you. Ah, thank you. 1706 2:15:50 --> 2:15:56 Thank you, Carla. And Mark, I also send you the Vera Sharaev. She did a wonderful 1707 2:15:57 --> 2:16:02 story to us in March this year of that whole story that Shimon also talks about. 1708 2:16:03 --> 2:16:14 Actually, Charles, just one correction. Vera heard the story from me. So I hope that when 1709 2:16:14 --> 2:16:21 she presented this, she gave me credit. If not, never mind. Claim the credit. No, that's very 1710 2:16:21 --> 2:16:28 good. So anyway, thank you, Shimon. That's so powerful, that idea, that this model. So 1711 2:16:28 --> 2:16:33 wonderful, wonderful, and full credit to you because it was a compelling story. I can't remember if she 1712 2:16:33 --> 2:16:41 mentioned your name, but it was so powerful what she told us. So thank you. Angela, and then I'm 1713 2:16:41 --> 2:16:45 afraid, Claire, we're going to run out of time unless you are super quick. So, Angela, you go, 1714 2:16:45 --> 2:16:49 then Claire, then Stephen, and we'll finish at 9.30 because I've got to get on to my next speech. 1715 2:16:51 --> 2:16:56 There's a couple of things, actually. Firstly, thank you to Mark and also to Sam, because 1716 2:16:56 --> 2:17:03 actually I discovered Sam very early on in the pandemic and found a lot of her things that she 1717 2:17:03 --> 2:17:09 put out very useful. Secondly, I'd like to say I know people have found this all quite contentious, 1718 2:17:09 --> 2:17:15 and I'd just like to say from personal experience, it's taken me a really long time to get past the 1719 2:17:15 --> 2:17:20 this doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense. I was really lucky that I 1720 2:17:20 --> 2:17:25 didn't actually end up vaccinating any of my children and had them all at home and not one 1721 2:17:25 --> 2:17:32 of them ever had any kind of medical intervention or medical pharmaceuticals at all. But that was 1722 2:17:32 --> 2:17:40 kind of more by luck, and I still had in my head the whole, you know, viruses and danger and 1723 2:17:40 --> 2:17:46 everything else. So I can think that the reason a lot of people still find it contentious, and I'd 1724 2:17:46 --> 2:17:51 imagine even more so for somebody who's been in mainstream medicine for a long time, would be 1725 2:17:51 --> 2:17:56 that's been so much part of their life and so much part of their understanding of everything, and it 1726 2:17:56 --> 2:18:03 involves such a complete 180 degrees, everything that you ever believed existed doesn't exist, 1727 2:18:03 --> 2:18:08 and the whole world is different, and that is just so difficult, I think, to come to terms with. 1728 2:18:10 --> 2:18:18 It's all very complicated. My question, I think, is Dr Mark, have you looked at or talked to or 1729 2:18:19 --> 2:18:25 come across Dr Zach Bush and the work that he's done? Because again, I found that's been very 1730 2:18:25 --> 2:18:32 interesting, and his kind of work on the microbiome and viruses and how bacteria and 1731 2:18:33 --> 2:18:44 how trees communicate with each other, and I'm not a scientist, so I'm not explaining this very 1732 2:18:44 --> 2:18:50 well, but just the positive benefits of it and how actually viruses or bacteria or the kind of 1733 2:18:50 --> 2:18:55 microbiome and the exchange between humans would be the same as between trees, and it's explaining 1734 2:18:55 --> 2:19:03 actually the dangers in the environment. He had a really kind of good explanation for what caused 1735 2:19:03 --> 2:19:09 people to have their symptoms that were seen in the pandemic, and I think it was kind of linked 1736 2:19:09 --> 2:19:20 into environmental atmospheric pollutants and 5G. He's really into kind of glyphs, anyway, 1737 2:19:20 --> 2:19:24 have you come across his work? Have you spoken to him? And I think it's something that if we've 1738 2:19:24 --> 2:19:27 been talking about this, I don't think we've had him on, might be something that would be very 1739 2:19:27 --> 2:19:36 interesting because he is fascinating on this whole topic. Yes, we do know Zach Bush, and 1740 2:19:38 --> 2:19:42 his work on glyphosate and poisoning has been absolutely fantastic, and I think he's raised 1741 2:19:42 --> 2:19:49 great awareness. Where we would depart from his way of thinking is with the entities of things 1742 2:19:49 --> 2:19:55 like viromes and viruses, and I think from what I know of Zach, he says that viruses exist, but most 1743 2:19:55 --> 2:20:01 of the time they don't cause the majority of people any problems. My problem with that definition is 1744 2:20:01 --> 2:20:08 that the virus, the word derives from poison, and the whole concept of virology was about showing 1745 2:20:08 --> 2:20:16 these pathogenic particles. It wasn't about showing physicals or exosomes that were communicating, so 1746 2:20:16 --> 2:20:22 I think that would be a departure from the virological umbrella, and it can also confuse 1747 2:20:22 --> 2:20:29 things because people think, okay, so we've got viruses everywhere now, and sometimes they'll get 1748 2:20:29 --> 2:20:37 me, and sometimes they won't. So, yeah, that's definitely a major difference between our school 1749 2:20:37 --> 2:20:44 of thought and his. Sam reached out to Zach quite a long time ago and suggested that they have a 1750 2:20:44 --> 2:20:51 conversation, a public one, lighthearted, just to talk about the slightly different points of view 1751 2:20:51 --> 2:20:57 about what constitutes a virus. Unfortunately, Zach came back and didn't agree to it, so 1752 2:20:58 --> 2:21:01 yeah, that's fine, but yeah, we have tried. 1753 2:21:03 --> 2:21:07 Okay, it's interesting anyway, but yeah, thank you very much for everything you're doing. 1754 2:21:08 --> 2:21:14 Yeah, thank you. Well done, Al, actually. I'm a fan of Zach Bush, and it's a great 1755 2:21:16 --> 2:21:19 point on the intersection of different points of view. Claire, quick question, 1756 2:21:19 --> 2:21:27 because we are going to finish at 9.28 Melbourne time. Yep, so Claire Payne, medical journalist 1757 2:21:27 --> 2:21:35 based in Australia but with family in the UK. So, forgive me, I got onto this half an hour late. 1758 2:21:35 --> 2:21:39 You may have already covered this, Mark. Thank you for your presentation. So, what about 1759 2:21:39 --> 2:21:47 rat test, lateral flow tests? So, when we were in the UK... That's all done, Claire. 1760 2:21:51 --> 2:21:55 Sorry, that's all done. Okay, so what I'm saying, okay, that's all done, watch the recording. Then 1761 2:21:55 --> 2:22:01 the other thing was, this is for Stephen. So, what's needed here? When you suddenly find we're 1762 2:22:01 --> 2:22:06 being... What Angela said, I agreed with completely. Once you find out we're being farmed by a big 1763 2:22:06 --> 2:22:12 farmer, you wonder, have we been farmed all along by all these different glycothate, phosphate 1764 2:22:12 --> 2:22:19 making companies, etc.? We need... And you don't know what to believe anymore. We need a virologist 1765 2:22:19 --> 2:22:27 to answer this and the last talk. I know one in Sheffield who is on our side. Would it be 1766 2:22:27 --> 2:22:35 possible to invite a virologist to... Absolutely. The answer is yes, absolutely. Great idea. Love to 1767 2:22:35 --> 2:22:40 have a virologist here. That's an excellent question. We have Kevin Corbett here as well. 1768 2:22:40 --> 2:22:44 And by the way, we do have to give credit to Kevin Corbett. It looks like a 40-year-old and 1769 2:22:44 --> 2:22:49 you told us on Wednesday last week, Kevin, that you're 67. So, well done to you for 1770 2:22:50 --> 2:22:55 staying in shape, although some people tell me that round is a shape. So, Claire, can you 1771 2:22:55 --> 2:23:00 send to Stephen the name of that virologist? Claire, how do you know that he would say yes? 1772 2:23:02 --> 2:23:08 She may not, but she is on our side. She's, you know, she's a... She still may not, because I was 1773 2:23:08 --> 2:23:12 working with a lot of virologists on the previous incarnation of this group and... 1774 2:23:13 --> 2:23:18 Right. She's on the heart group. She may say no, but you know, we can only try, can't we? 1775 2:23:19 --> 2:23:25 I especially have Mark here or Kevin's here. So, Stephen, we are finishing in two minutes. Mark? 1776 2:23:25 --> 2:23:31 Sure. So, I just wanted to ask Mark one question. Does smallpox exist in your mind, 1777 2:23:31 --> 2:23:40 Mark? I just wonder. I don't know now. I'm prepared to question everything. Well, I've said this before. 1778 2:23:40 --> 2:23:45 We need to look at all these so-called vaccinations. All the medications need to be 1779 2:23:45 --> 2:23:49 looked at again, because we can't trust big pharma. They've shown that they're not trustworthy. 1780 2:23:49 --> 2:23:56 So, why on earth would you trust anything from them? Yeah, well, smallpox is not a disease entity, 1781 2:23:56 --> 2:24:02 no. It's a clinical condition that people get and where they are toxic in some way, 1782 2:24:02 --> 2:24:08 and the skin tries to get rid of fluid through its physicals. So, if you actually look back, 1783 2:24:08 --> 2:24:13 there's no way to distinguish monkeypox, chickenpox, smallpox. They're all just 1784 2:24:14 --> 2:24:19 degrees of severity, basically, smallpox. So, smallpox is baricella major from memory, 1785 2:24:19 --> 2:24:25 and then chickenpox is baricella minor, is that right? Yeah, but again, when they say that, 1786 2:24:25 --> 2:24:31 all they're doing is getting slightly different genetic sequences from the fluids. But essentially, 1787 2:24:31 --> 2:24:39 all of those conditions are just the skin trying to detoxify. And that's why we never saw, basically, 1788 2:24:39 --> 2:24:43 smallpox in places like New Zealand. It was so rare because the people here have just been 1789 2:24:43 --> 2:24:49 too healthy. You only saw it in the third world and in cities which were completely destitute, 1790 2:24:49 --> 2:24:55 they were just getting what we would have called chickenpox in our city. But, you know, for them, 1791 2:24:55 --> 2:25:02 they were getting such a severe reaction. So, no, I would say in short that no, it's not a disease 1792 2:25:02 --> 2:25:09 entity. And there was Montague Leveson wrote papers about this as far back as 1911, saying 1793 2:25:09 --> 2:25:14 that it's a complete farce, that Paster and Co were misleading people, that smallpox was not an entity. 1794 2:25:16 --> 2:25:20 Well, all right, very good, everybody. Mark, would you like some, thank you. 1795 2:25:20 --> 2:25:26 Will you like some final words? And you really, it's been wonderful listening to you. And I love, 1796 2:25:27 --> 2:25:31 I love your non-passionate style, you know, that you just go, hey, here's the facts, 1797 2:25:31 --> 2:25:36 stick to the facts. And it's one of, don't listen to experts, find the facts. I'm a big fan of Buck 1798 2:25:36 --> 2:25:40 Minster Fuller, and you've done what Buck Minster Fuller recommends and go and do your own research. 1799 2:25:40 --> 2:25:46 So you have done that in spades and you and Sam have both done that. And great commendation to 1800 2:25:46 --> 2:25:51 you and for your courage. Any final words, Mark, before we say, and the telegram, the video telegram 1801 2:25:51 --> 2:25:56 chat is on, the link is in the chat. Mark, save the chat for yourself. There's lots of 1802 2:25:57 --> 2:25:59 compliments to you. Mark, anything you want to say before we go? 1803 2:25:59 --> 2:26:05 Mark No, I'd just like to thank you, Charles, and also Stephen for inviting me to speak. 1804 2:26:06 --> 2:26:11 It's great because as you probably know, we get a lot of hostility. And there's a lot of people in 1805 2:26:11 --> 2:26:18 the health freedom community, who now refuse to talk to us. And the level of interaction we've 1806 2:26:18 --> 2:26:22 had with them, unfortunately, is really disappointing. They don't want to address 1807 2:26:23 --> 2:26:26 what we're addressing. And I think I just have to say that- 1808 2:26:26 --> 2:26:34 to not want to talk to you, crazy. Mark, would Sam speak to us? Would she come and present to us? 1809 2:26:34 --> 2:26:42 Mark I could talk to her. Her schedule is really full on. And our youngest child is just past a 1810 2:26:42 --> 2:26:47 year old. So doing kind of these two and a half hour things can be quite difficult. She tends to 1811 2:26:47 --> 2:26:49 just do shorter ones. So I can have a chat to her. Yeah. 1812 2:26:49 --> 2:26:51 Stephen If she chose to do an hour, then we could 1813 2:26:52 --> 2:26:57 amuse ourselves for the other hour and a half. But you know, if she could do two hours, 1814 2:26:57 --> 2:26:59 that'd be good. Or one and a half hours. Mark Yeah, otherwise- 1815 2:26:59 --> 2:27:00 Stephen Half an hour works. 1816 2:27:00 --> 2:27:06 Mark Yeah, I'm always happy to come back on again anytime as well to answer questions. 1817 2:27:06 --> 2:27:11 Because usually what I find is that at the end of it, there's a whole lot of unanswered questions. 1818 2:27:11 --> 2:27:16 Stephen Sure. Well, you're very welcome to come to all the meetings from that one. You were 1819 2:27:16 --> 2:27:20 welcome before, but we didn't. I didn't have your email address or not the correct one anyway. 1820 2:27:21 --> 2:27:23 But Charles, could you add Mark to the invitation? 1821 2:27:23 --> 2:27:24 Charles They will. Yep. 1822 2:27:24 --> 2:27:29 Mark Yep. All right, everybody. Thank you for being here. Warner, good to see you as well. 1823 2:27:29 --> 2:27:35 Alpha Omega, Truthsayer, everybody. Go over to the Telegram group if you've got time. Mark Bailey, 1824 2:27:35 --> 2:27:37 thank you. A round of applause. Great job. 1825 2:27:38 --> 2:27:41 A very good. Thank you, Mark. You were brilliant. 1826 2:27:41 --> 2:27:45 Mark Brilliant. Great. Thank you.