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and we don't have a break. But when you need a break, and I hope you do, because that means

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you're drinking enough water, I'm always concerned about our guests who don't who can go for two and

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a half hours without going to the toilet. It's a bad sign, everybody. And coffee, that's true.

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Very good. So let me just welcome everybody, Dave, before you start. So you can speak whatever

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you like. And then I'll moderate the discussion and people know what they have to do. So welcome

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everybody, particularly new, particularly, virginal visitors to this group. We are lots of professions,

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I've run through those professions here in a true spirit of exploration and discovery, Dave.

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Most of us understand, we're in World War Three at the moment, we go for two and a half hours,

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there's a telegram video chat that Tom Rodman organizes for those who have more time.

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There is no censorship, but there is proper moderation, free speech is totally welcome here,

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free speech is crucial to our freedom. We understand that. The the this discussion

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is to help us all get increased understanding about whatever the discussion is. And some,

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you know, one of the issues that arises is each one of us on this call has different areas of

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interest. And some people say, what's the relevance of this? Who knows? Be open to the possibilities,

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because there is no black and white game plan, other than the fact that we're in World War Three

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with a lot of battle fronts. The the your beliefs that you have about what's important, other people

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have different beliefs about what's important. We understand the development of science and hence

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that quote of Carl Sagan's and Stephen I'm going to I'm going to use that quote frequently. And also,

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Dave, Michael Crichton, the writers quote, he says, when someone tells you the science is settled,

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reach for your wallet. So we are we're totally happy if you think something is a solution for

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something, put it in the chat. And if someone else thinks it's not any good, put that in there,

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but don't have a full on argument in the chat. It doesn't make you look good. It's just a waste

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of time for people to read it. We come from love, not fear. And the challenge of love is loving

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those who have different opinions to us. And it, it certainly pains me to see the fights that are

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narrative are then attacking each other. So that's a challenge for all of us. We ask you to have an

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open mind. This is an opportunity to raise your own self awareness. The q&a follows after days,

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well, this is basically going to be a discussion today after Dave does his first presentation.

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This is recorded, we have a rumble channel, we'll put that link into the chat. And lastly,

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lastly, if you are offended, as the moderator, I'm not interested. We are not interested in the

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offense industry here. And I have seven standard responses to anybody who says they're offended.

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And I'm happy to share those seven in writing with people in due course. But essentially,

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be offended and keep keep quiet about it. Alright, Dave, that's that's what we're about. We welcome

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you. Thank you for making yourself available. I just want you to understand that I finished my law

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degree in the early 70s. In fact, in 1973, from the University of, of Melbourne. So I'm now 70

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years of age. And there are plenty of people on this course, on this in this discussion, Dave,

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who are holistic health experts. And you know, one of the wonderful things that's happened,

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number one, there's whole new perspectives around health, new health systems being

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set up. And thirdly, one of the most wonderful things is that I would never have met Stephen

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Frost, or you, or many of the people on this call, if it wasn't for COVID. So let's celebrate the

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fact that we've all got a whole bunch of new friends. Over to you, Dave. Oh, man, that's

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perfect. I totally agree with what you said there. In fact, one of the top things that I always tell

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people, I already mentioned it once already, are the wonderful people you get to meet when the when

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the world goes to hell, basically, you know, and that and you have to you have to enjoy and relish

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those things, you know, and there's actually, let's see here, let me look at my little thing

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here, there, there are three things, the wonderful people that you get to meet. And the other thing

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is clarity. You think of all the people, the new people, like Catherine Austin Fitz that I that I've

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met Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his work and a whole host of others, yourselves, the people in this

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group, the other group that's called the Doctors for COVID Ethics that I work with,

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and that know about finances or about the law, medicine, food, gardening, all of that stuff,

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and how the world works. What's her name? Whitney, Whitney Webb, the woman who has been following

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behind the scenes, things that are going on a whole host of people all around the world.

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thing. And when you put it's like all these puzzle pieces are coming together now, you know, you knew

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part of it over here from your own personal experience and a little bit over here. And now

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they're all just sort of fitting together. And it provides us clarity about what's going on in the

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world. And there's value in that because we can use that. It provides us with an opportunity

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for the people that eventually escape the enslavement that they're trying to

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perpetrate on the world right now. For those people that escape this enslavement and survive,

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we have an opportunity to restructure a viable free society or societies all over.

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And that's basically one of the things that I wanted to talk about. Because, as I mentioned,

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I'm usually asked to talk about COVID, about PCR, about infectious diseases, about cancer.

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I'm an expert on cancer and about AIDS and these other things. And the battles that I've been

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fighting for almost four days, literally four decades in the AIDS arena. And I'm happy to do

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that. But a lot of this information, a lot of this technical stuff is covered now tremendously well

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by lots of people from all over the world. And what I wanted to do right now, I think

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it's not too early for us to start thinking and talking about how to go about restructuring society

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when the horrors are finished and the devastation is pretty much complete.

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And it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, in my opinion. I think a lot of people

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accept that too. But at some point, we have to build things. We have to restructure societies.

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And one of the best books that I've come across on how to structure free societies and keep them

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free is a relatively old book. I think it was 1957 when it was first published. It's called

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The Breakdown of Nations by Leopold Kaur. And you can download a PDF of the entire book from my

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homepage. It's a homepage on my website. And I'd be happy in a few minutes to share my website.

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Okay. And maybe I'll do that right now. Let me get my website up here. And I click on the thing that

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And do you see my web page?

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Okay, good. So the things that I want to point out is davidraskinick.com. That's fairly easy.

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I've got about 40 years worth of information on here. It goes back a long ways.

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there's my email envelope right next to it if anybody wants to contact me. And I've got this

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button, COVID hoax, which has got lots and lots of stuff since 2020, when all of this stuff started,

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and I was pulled back into these battles, and then recommended sites down here.

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are some things that I've written. Plus the breakdown of nations that I just mentioned,

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that's right down here, the breakdown of nations, you click on it. And it's the entire book. And you

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can download it. I think it's 141 pages. It's by Leopold Korr. 191. That's right. It's got the

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without the images. It's not that large. But that's a book. I highly recommend it for people

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who are interested in rebuilding a free society when it comes time to do that.

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We could not even Korr would admit, and he admitted the stuff that he's talking about

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in this book about how to build a free society. People have asked him,

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will it happen? And he said, no. The answer is no, it won't happen. But could it happen? Yes,

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it could. And the reason I'm bringing it up now is because the only way that you could do what

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Korr is advocating to start up from small societies is if the societies that you're

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or they're deteriorating. So now you have an opportunity and you didn't even have to do it.

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The bad guys did it. And Leopold Korr now has wonderful ideas about how to start,

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you know, when given the opportunity to come up with free societies and viable free societies.

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So I highly, highly recommend this book. I read it again the past week to refresh my memory

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for what we're talking about today on here. So basically, his criticism of what's wrong with

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the world can be summarized in a very simple sentence. Wherever something's wrong, something

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is too big. Now, the whole book can be condensed into that and he explains that. It's got multiple

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chapters and everything in there about that. And I agree with him, his logic. I view it differently.

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I think of it as a colossal imbalance, you know, where things get so way out of balance

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that there's a problem there. And what was I going to say about that? Yeah,

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I said that when big, I use the imbalance thing here and in particular, the social, political,

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and day-to-day imbalance of power. It's an imbalance of power between a few hundred billionaires

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and the eight billion humans they want to enslave. See, that's the key here. This is perfect

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core type of thing. You would call it just the bigness of the fact that there's so much

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wealth concentrated. To me, it's that imbalance. And we have to never, we have to stop that. We

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have to make that go away. You cannot have a free, productive society when you have such a

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massive imbalance of wealth. These people who have hundreds of billions of dollars,

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or even a billion dollars, or are in charge of companies that control trillions of dollars

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of funding and things like that, I mean, massive amounts of money. Well, that concentrated wealth

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is a weapon. It is the principal weapon being used against us. It is the power, it is the fuel

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to implement all of these things that they're doing to the world right now. It has to do with

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the fact that these people are not even really human anymore. They don't mix with regular people,

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they don't rub shoulders together, they don't go to stores, they don't have any of the concerns or

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the thoughts or even the interactions with the kind of interactions that the rest of us in the

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world have. So they're basically, I think, an insane lot of people. I think when you get that

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amount of wealth, you've heard about isolation, one of the problems where they want to isolate

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us because of the COVID stuff and everything, wearing masks and isolate people. They say

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isolation can cause mental problems. I have no doubt about that. They really can. It happens

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to a lot of prisoners. Guess who are the most isolated people in the world? Billionaires.

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The only people that they really get to interact with are people like themselves and the people

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that they buy and own. They have nothing in common, their interests and everything, their minds. They're

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basically insane, but I don't hold them blameless for that. Okay, so that's the one thing. We can

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never, in my opinion, ever, ever allow such a disparity, a colossal imbalance of wealth,

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which is the energy or the fuel that society uses in a constructive way. Well, these people have

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commandeered it all for themselves. It made them go insane, and then they use it to do whatever

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insane thing they want to do in the world. Now, these people have more money than brains.

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There's no doubt about that because as a scientist, I've been around a lot of really smart people,

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and a lot of really smart people are almost always wrong. Anyway, I can tell you, when

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people ask me about scientists, I say we're almost always wrong, which is true. You aren't doing

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science unless you're really, really stretching it out there. Otherwise, you're just a technologist

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that just keeps doing the same old thing over and over again. But if you're a scientist, you're asking

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big grand questions. I mean, there's a hierarchy of these questions, and I've asked them in my life,

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various questions about this thing, and then bigger ones like cancer really opened it wide up

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when I started working with Peter Duesburg. You really don't know what you're doing.

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You're asking questions, and you're exploring stuff. Engineers are different from scientists.

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than with engineers because we're very creative. We're going, trying to go where nobody's gone

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before. Engineers are just extremely capable people. It's easy to tell an engineer from a

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scientist. Engineers know what they're doing. They make the planes fly. You don't have to be

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an expert to know when an engineer is successful or fails. The car works, the phone works, or it

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doesn't. But a scientist, it's hard even for scientists to know if they're right or wrong.

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Historically, we know for a fact that we're almost always wrong, but you just keep going.

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You're lucky as a scientist if you get one or two really nice, wonderful things right, a discovery

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or something or invention. I'm so proud of it. I'm proud of my work on cancer because of that.

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But all the other little things, it's just going this way and that way. When people start listening

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to the science, if you want to listen to the science, science doesn't talk. Scientists talk.

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There's no such thing as listening to science. When science is really healthy, there's no one view.

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It's always going all over the place. Sometimes there might be a temporary consensus. It's not a

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formalized consensus. It's just everybody starts agreeing sort of mutually that some idea is right.

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But there's so many other people who don't accept that. That's science. That's good,

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healthy science. Of course, that died. I saw it die personally in mid-1980s.

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I saw the science. Dave, could you just stop your share for the moment while you're not sharing so

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that we can see more people and then go back to sharing when you want to share something?

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They're just reminding you to do that. I think that's a great idea. Let me go back up here,

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get to it. Where is my Zoom thing? Unshare. Just go to stop share. It says,

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oh yes, stop share. One participant multiply advance. Where does it say stop? It just says

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share. Maybe if I click on it, it's a toggle. Who knows? I don't use a Mac. Who knows where

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the stop share is. How do I stop a share? It says share. There it is. Big red sign.

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Just stop. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll remember that. Okay. Let me go back here. This other

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thing reminded me of what I was doing here. I just thought it would be helpful

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to give people a little insight, at least from a scientist perspective, as to

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when they say talk about science, what does that mean? It means basically there's no such

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thing as scientific consensus. It's kind of silly for scientists to even think such a thing. So

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anyway, I'm digressing now. All right. But anyway, I wanted to say, going back to my website,

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as I said, I've been thinking about this stuff, about how to build a healthy society,

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a free society again, since the 1990s. And I wrote a couple of articles, The Pirani of Dogma,

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which was on my website, that same place there. And I might try to get it back up there. Share

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it one more time on my screen. Share. Get my website up there. Okay. And let me go back to my

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homepage right here. And there's The Pirani of Dogma, which you can click on and you can

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download it. It's just above the recommended sites and also out of Kilter. And The Pirani of Dogma,

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out of Kilter, and then The Breakdown of Nations, those three things. The grand theory is Khor's

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book, The Breakdown of Nations. And then my little thing that I put in here, The Pirani of Dogma,

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had to do with scientific dogma. What I saw back in the 1980s, I'd mentioned before how science died.

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I saw it with my own eyes. I lived it. I experienced it. It died in the 1980s. And out of Kilter was

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something I did a little. I think that was, let me see the date on there, 2009, I guess it was.

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And then the other one, The Pirani of Dogma, that was, yeah, this is another PDF. It's got the date

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on there. Come on, come on, come on. I think it might've been, here it comes, 2015. That was an

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invited article in the Journal of Information Ethics. That goes into, I got a lot of references

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in there. This covers how science died. I document how science died and the various ways it died.

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And so I recommend that to people too. So let me go back to my website here. So here's my website.

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It's got lots of stuff up here, my CV, my short bio, CV publications, a lot of stuff on AIDS,

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cancer, vaccines, drugs, tests, science in the citizen. That was what I went to in Italy

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a number of times. And then that's where these guys asked me to write about an article. And that

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was The Pirani of Dogma thing. Liberty and recommended sites and COVID. I mean, there's

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lots and lots of stuff on here. About 40 years, as I said. Okay, enough of my website. I'll unshare

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Well, Dave, we'll have the questions when you've finished and we'll do that. So we are totally

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happy to keep listening to you and then we'll do the questions at the end.

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Okay. I'm almost done with my little spiel here that turns out to be longer than a minute to be.

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So this is the last little part that I wanted to talk about. It had to do with structuring

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viable free societies. And I don't know if any of you have seen these projections,

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but I keep following this. It looks like it's pretty solid people. For example,

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what's his name? Armstrong, that fellow. I can't remember his first name. And

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others that say it looks like that projections are that Europe, parts of Asia, and the United States

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will start to break apart sometime around 2030, give or take a few years. That's not too far away.

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And I lived in Northern California for about 20 years. And the whole time I was there,

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Northern California and Southern California were separate in all but name. I mean, it was such

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totally different. I mean, we all knew it in that one state. And that's easy for that state. In fact,

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COVID has even divided that state even more. Northern California, I swear, looks very much like,

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it reminded me anyway of Vichy France during the Nazi occupation. It was really, really sad.

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San Francisco used to be my favorite city in all the world. And I've been around a lot. And my

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wife and I, we really love the Bay Area. But we went back January of this year to pick up some of

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the stuff she left behind and drive back across the country. I was going to meet Peter Duesburg

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while we were there. Didn't have a time to do it. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. invited me to go for a

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hike. He lives in Southern California while I was there. But we just had such a miserable,

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impossible time up there in the Bay Area trying to, everything was shut down. The city of Oakland

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was shut down. We couldn't get, we were told we didn't need permits to have a truck drop by,

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stop by and pick up our stuff to move it out of the Bay Area to North Carolina. We went down there

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to the city of Oakland and there it's all locked up. Nobody knows where you can go to get a permit or

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do anything. And so we couldn't even get a U-Haul rental truck because they don't have any in North

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Carolina and all of California. U-Hauls, these trucks that are easily rented, you can go all

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over the country with them. They all left. U-Hauls are only delivered where people go to, come from

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and go to. So it was a huge exodus of people leaving California during 2020, 2021, early

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part of 2021. And there were no U-Haul trucks left. And we eventually found a truck and were able to

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load all our stuff up with a few friends. I mean, everything was shut down. You couldn't go into

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restaurants unless you were injected. And of course, we are not, will not take any of those

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injections. And the people looked like zombies. And it was totally different from the place that

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we left in 2017. It just broke our hearts there. And we just did everything. We had a few friends.

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A lot of our friends wouldn't even see us. They were afraid to see us. But we had enough really

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long time strong friends to come by. They helped us load up the truck and things. And we basically

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got out of Dodge. That's the way we say it here. When you just want to leave a place and just try

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to get out of there. And that was January of this year that we did that. It was miserable.

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We drove cross country. Southern California was much better, but it was still not nearly as good

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as the southeast of the United States. So anyway, that is my little story of my personal things that

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I don't normally get to tell because people want me to talk about those highly technical things.

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And I just wanted to talk about some things that I wanted to talk about.

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So now we can talk about what you want to talk about.

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Dave, Dave, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Everybody please look at Dave's website. I note

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the structure of the layout that might be relevant for all of us. For those of you that have a website,

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I was struck by that. There are other websites that do it that way. Contemplate whether that's

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good for you. Now, Dave, the tradition that we have here is that Stephen, as the founder of the

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group, he asks the first set of questions. Okay. And then others put their hand up. So

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I have a number of questions, but I'll leave those to a bit later. Stephen, are you there?

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Yeah, I'm here. So for a minute. Yeah. So David, thank you very much.

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So you answered the question right at the end there that you live in North Carolina, yes?

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I saw NC and I did actually, but I forgot when I was thinking about the questions. And

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you said scientific consensus doesn't make sense. Yeah. It's an oxymoron, isn't it?

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Yes, it is. Yeah. And California, how are things there? So that was January of this year.

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Yes. There were still restrictions in inverted commas in the UK then, and of course, in many

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parts of the world. Do we know how California is now or have all the good people left?

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Well, I can tell you they have a net loss for the first time, I think, in the history of population

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in California. California used to have, I think, about 30 million people, maybe a little bit more,

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and it was always growing. And even during COVID, I think it went from being the,

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if California was a country, it used to be the sixth economically powerful country, would have

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been the sixth leading country in the world economically. I think it moved up to fifth,

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fifth during COVID. I couldn't believe it. So you can see it's a huge, economically,

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it's a huge, huge place. Technology there, resources, agriculture, I think something like

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40 to 60% of the food in the United States comes from California. I think I'm getting that right.

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So it's a real pity. I mean, when you think about it, though, these people that are trying to take

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over the world, it didn't surprise me that California and New York, especially Manhattan,

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New York City, were two of the really hardest hit by the mandates and things. And California is

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still absolutely totally nuts in terms of the governor there. And we had that nutty governor

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in New York and some other places. Those are the two richest states in the country.

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And two of the big states, the big things that people around the world, they may not know much

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about the United States, but they've heard of California, Hollywood, and all that Los Angeles,

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and they've heard of New York, you know, and there's a reason. I mean, they're very big,

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very extremely wealthy, all of those banks and everything and are located up in New York. And

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so it was not a surprise to me at all that the real power was put on to try to

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dominate and control California and New York early on and leave the other little states not so,

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don't put as much pressure on them. They were owned by the powers that be

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for a long, long time. And so I was not surprised that the power that was exerted

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against the people of those two states. The thing that really broke my heart

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was how easily the people in Northern California went along with it, except for the ones that left,

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that took the U-Haul trucks out of there. And they're not all that way, but I swear,

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my wife, she has, she lived in California longer than I have, about three decades there, and she

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has a lot of really, used to have a lot of really strong close friends there. And I would say more

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than half of them, maybe two thirds or so of the ones won't even hardly talk to her anymore.

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Don't want to have anything to do with her anymore. And that just breaks your heart.

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And so what's wrong with them, David? Have they lost their humanity? Is it an excess or a surface

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of political correctness? Yeah. It's led to no conversations about anything. So they actually

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have forgotten what views they used to have. That's basically it. I can't explain it completely.

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I moved to California in 1980. That's right. I moved to San Francisco Bay Area right then.

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And they used to have the free speech movement things during Vietnam and during the 60s.

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All these things that as I was a young guy, a teenager in those days, and I thought, and I lived

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in Georgia, I was all for all that kind of stuff. Against Vietnam, free speech and everything.

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Now the only free speech thing left back in the Bay Area is a little restaurant on the campus where

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they have on the wall, the art of the free speech era back in the 60s. But they don't exercise free

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speech there anymore. It's gone. I saw it disappear like I say back in the 80s.

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In Berkeley, also University of California, San Francisco, those pressures were always there.

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And when I first came across the thing of political correctness, that really disturbed me.

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But I didn't know how pervasive it was. I just thought it was a temporary thing. People just

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trying to be morally do the right thing. After all the stuff that was going on in the South

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with the segregation that I lived in 50s and 60s back in the United States and Georgia and all that,

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those horrors, you needed to acknowledge it and deal with people differently than you did before

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in a better way. And I just assumed that this political correctness was sort of like

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a temporary thing where we try to acknowledge the ills, the things that were bad before.

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And it would be a temporary thing. I thought it was basically like saying, I apologize,

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I'm sorry for what you had to go through, that sort of thing. I had no idea that it was entrenched

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at the academic level all the way up to the highest levels of these universities, the professors,

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the funding that they got. I mean, the political correctness went all the way up to the grant

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proposals that you had to write. And it wasn't just, oh, about the straights and gays and

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racism and all that. No, it had to do with politically important things like AIDS and cancer

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and how you approached it, whether or not and how you wrote a grant proposal, whether or not you had

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a chance of getting it approved. And if you read my article, Tyranny of Dogma, you'll go in there

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and give specific examples of how that happens to this day. So David, it seems to me that they've

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criminalized by the back door having an opinion. So the result is, amazingly to me, and to you,

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probably, and to Charles, and a lot of people on this call, that people don't dare to have opinions

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or they have opinions which they never voice. So they never articulate what they think. So they

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never have any practice about what they think, because there's no challenge to what they think.

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And of course, in a vacuum, they don't think anything. And I've realized that they haven't

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got any thoughts in their head. I'm not criticizing. I'm just saying what we're facing. So I just wonder

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whether if we have to identify what the real cancer is, what do you think it is at the moment? It

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doesn't matter if you're right or you don't have to scientifically prove it. You know, it's fluid. I

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mean, I'm learning things so fast. I've never learned so quickly, so many things, diverse things

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in the past three years, ever before in my life. Not me either. Not me either. It's incredible.

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It is incredible. And I mean, it's a thing to behold. I don't know all this stuff. It's just

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feelings and things. Sure, but that's important. I think fear is one thing that I have learned,

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and I think it's true. If you scare people enough, their mind does not function properly.

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No, it doesn't. So I think these people are basically scared. They were scared earlier

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because they didn't show it outwardly. They were scared back in the 80s and 90s by how they

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wrote their grant proposal. But they weren't openly terrified physically, but they were scared

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enough how they would lie in their grant proposals, and about what they wouldn't do.

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They were scared to challenge this. They were scared to associate with Peter Duesburg. That fear

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was there. But now the fear is much more acute. That was kind of a chronic, low-grade fear.

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All right. Now the fear is acute. And I think people's minds are not functioning. They're

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functioning worse than they did back in the 90s, back in the 80s and 90s.

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So David, do you think the fear is fear of the virus in this nonsense of the fraud pandemic?

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Or is it fear of something terrible? Are they being psychologically tortured by their

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governments? And they've realized that. Is that why they're afraid? Food prices going up,

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energy prices going up?

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I think it's all of the above. I think it's like war. I was in Vietnam. I got drafted with Vietnam.

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I wasn't a hero or anything like that. I was a stock control and supply specialist. I had a

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college background, so I thought I could read, write and count. It saved my life,

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having the college education because I didn't have to carry. I mean, I was a permanent guard,

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but anyway, I didn't see all that crap that my brother did and other people did. But I got scared

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a couple of times there. It was an acute type of fear. And until you've experienced an acute type

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of fear, you really don't know what fear is. So imagine when you have chronic fear,

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there's no way out. Every day you're told that things can't change. I mean,

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I tell people, when Northern California reminded me that, I've already said it might be redundant,

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of Vichy France during the Nazi occupation, that people were just chronically scared and

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they were behaving like zombies. Yeah. And also, but just think of it. So they're being psychologically

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tortured by their own government, which is surprising and fear inducing, but they can't

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talk to their neighbors because they don't want to say anything that is viewed a little bit

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eccentric, you know. So not the official line. So they know that, for example, going for these

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injections was wrong, submitting to it without informed consent. But they do it anyway. And

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they can't talk to anybody about their fears. It's just awful what's happened.

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I don't even think they can talk to each other, people that believe the same stuff. I don't think

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they can talk honestly and openly with each other or themselves. I don't even think they have honest

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thoughts. Yeah. And it's all about the political correctness that's been put in their head. And

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they've been told to despise themselves. Like Jordan Peterson said, they're taught to despise

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themselves, young men, you know. And of course, what happens if you despise yourself? You have

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got nothing to give to your fellow human beings. So I know. Well, okay. So I don't know really how

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to answer your question. But I tell you what I do on a practical basis. I don't know if you've seen

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the Star Trek episode where they have the Borg, where these human, semi part human part robot

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creatures walk around and they basically ignore you. And so I just started when I see these people

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that wear masks and stuff like that, I feel like, well, they're the Borg. Just ignore them. There's

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nothing I can do for them. There's no conversation I can have with them. And it would take too much

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energy. And I'm not clever enough anyway. And I haven't met anybody around who knows how to talk

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to what I call the Borg, those poor people. You know, I feel sorry for them. So what I do,

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I look for warriors. And that's what I've been doing since I got started in this battle February

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of 2020, was look for warriors. That's what the people on this Zoom meeting, warriors,

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people here in North Carolina, what are called the Guilford Patriots. I've been working with those

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folks for a little over a year and a half, I guess. And I've worked with lawyers on four continents,

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Australia, the United States, Europe, in Germany, and also Belgium, and also South Africa. I got a

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case and been working actively most recently in South Africa. So that's the kind of thing,

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all these other people like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., you know, since Peter Duesberg wasn't able

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to help him with his book, The Real Anthony Fauci, he asked me if I could look over his book and

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check the references and answer some of the questions because I either knew it firsthand,

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or I had access to the information. You know, there was God, I don't know how many people

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had working on that book, but it was an army of people. And these are all

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warriors, you know. And so that's where I put my energy, is to associate with, help and support

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all the warriors. And you don't even have to be active, all you have to do is be somebody who

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wants to know what's going on. I consider that a warrior. If you can think for yourself and ask

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questions, you're a warrior, you know. And you and I can have a good time together.

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Exactly. I'll have to have a drink one day. Yeah. So I mean that you've got a great beard,

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you look really wise, you know, like Russell or something.

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My wife cut my hair and my beard for this meeting.

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Yeah, but oh, did she? All right. Very good. Well, she did it very well.

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Thank you.

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I wanted to ask you, so you're a great human being, David. I can tell listening, and I'm sure

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everybody else can as well, that you're truthful to a fault. But you're also a warrior, that's good,

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you want the truth.

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And we have to-

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You know, I'm happy just being a human being. That's enough for me.

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Yeah, but it comes over even on a Zoom call, created by the Chinese, I believe.

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I wanted to ask you, David, 2009 swine flu pandemic, what do you know about that?

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And what do you know about the 2006 bird flu pandemic?

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And what do you know about the swine flu pandemic of 1976?

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If you don't know anything, that's fine.

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No, no, they're all bogus as they could be. In fact, I mean, with the AIDS stuff, you know,

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I started with that one. Then there's the AIDS, and then there was the first SARS,

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there's the Zika, there's Ebola, there was, you know, the swine flu, I forget now, although,

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I mean, all over the years, over the years, there was this one, and that one, and that one,

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the only one that took a little bit was AIDS, the HIV nonsense, because it was focal, it was mostly

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the gay men. I lived in San Francisco, I moved there in 1980, right when the AIDS stuff started,

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even before it had a name. And it was a weird thing. I mean, those, I learned a lot from those

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gay men. They were, that, and it was an interesting phenomenon, because how they, they, more, not,

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there were warriors among those guys that totally rejected and fought against the AIDS scam,

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that knew it and fought with them. And I knew a lot of those guys. And then the other ones that

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just sort of bought into it was pretty much like what we're talking about right now. The zombies,

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the board, the other people, a lot of the gay guys. And I saw this in South Africa,

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that treatment action campaign, TAC, that was sort of like a club or a religion,

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where these people shared the same thoughts and tragedy, you know, whether it's intellectual or

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physical or whatever it was. It was like a club. It was a cult. I'm sorry? A cult. A cult. That's

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the better word for it. Just like now, the COVID cult, I call it. Yeah, it's like a cult. And I

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think that's the same thing that is going on with my neighbors here, some of the neighbors and the

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other people that still wear masks and stuff like that. And the scientists, I think the scientists

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and the academics and the physicians, you know, I mean, it's a horror stories about the physicians

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that aren't doing their job. You know, they're just following along, just like the professors,

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follow along, you know, and tell lies and keep it, keep doing it, and aren't working for their

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patients. I'm not talking about the ones that are real, really doctors are really doing their job.

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I'm talking about all the ones that are still staying in these hospitals, you know, that are

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killing people. And it's, I guess it's cult is probably as good a characterization of what's

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going on. Now that's a word. All right. But how do we explain it? They're prepared to sacrifice

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their children now, these people. So that is a cult. That's what happens with cults. They sacrifice

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their children, apparently. The reason I mentioned the 2009 swine flu pandemic was because we have

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evidence that via the Council of Europe, the European Union, if you look, you can do a search

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on the, on Google or whatever, whatever search engine, and you'll see that the swine flu, so

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it was referred to by the Council of Europe investigation, the report on that investigation

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as the swine flu pandemic fraud conducted by the WHO and by governments around the world, exactly

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what's going on now. So can you think of a good reason why that hasn't been highlighted by

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the people on our side? Because I've been saying about it, but nobody seems to pick it up.

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Well, it's like the AIDS thing. I didn't finish my little characterization with the AIDS thing.

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The reason it didn't really catch, except it was like the cult thing that we've talked about and

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agreed on with these gay guys, it just stayed with it, and just couldn't get out of it. It didn't

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spread. After enough time, heterosexuals, the vast majority of people, it wasn't affecting their

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lives, them or anybody they knew. And so basically it didn't catch fire, like the COVID thing caught

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fire. But I think, I don't even know if they really wanted to be global at the time, the HIV stuff.

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I think they were astounded. Yeah, David, I was reminding myself last night, looking at the stuff

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you can search on the internet about the swine flu pandemic fraud conducted by the WHO and other

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organizations and governments, exactly what's going on now. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's been

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known for a long time, actually, just not the public at large didn't know it. But that's true

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with all those things. The first SARS, the MERS, the Zika, the Ebola, these were all phony

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things that were basically started by the United States. It has to do with the NIH and the Centers

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for Disease Control in the United States. The United States is basically behind all that stuff.

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And I mean, I can't even name all of these are just a few. I mean, those are the bigger ones.

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And they're all they're all that's the same game plan. Yes, exactly. They're all phony.

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I need to open the door. Two seconds. All right. Okay.

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You need to open the door. There you are. How about that?

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Everyone that's that's Dave, that's very relevant for us, because I remember there were people who

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refused to go to to Rio for the 2016 Olympics because of the fear of Zika. Yeah, Zika was

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absolutely zero. Correct. They absolutely sold out their years and years and years of training.

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And for this illusion. Yeah. So this question of people, you know, being scared to speak up,

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there is this question. If I speak up, I'm going to lose my job. On the other hand, on this group,

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you know, there is there is this the what the Warriors do is if I lose my job, Bobby Kennedy

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said to us all that when he addressed this group in December, Dave, and you've heard many people

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say it, and you've probably say it yourself. On what hill are you willing to die? Yeah, yeah,

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that's right. I will not I personally and I told my wife this from from the very beginning.

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I will not accept or comply with anything they tell me to do. Nothing. I will die first. My wife

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does not like me to say that. But I have to say it. Because that's what I know in my heart. And

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I can't keep that from her. You know, I will. The only thing I will do, I will do whatever it

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takes to protect her and my friends, you know, but I will not ever comply with anything. But if

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somebody they held a gun to my wife's head and said, wear a mask, I'd wear the damn mask,

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because my wife is more important to me than that. But that's the that's what it would take

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for me to comply. Yes. And this the classic communist strategy, and I'm acutely conscious

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of this, because my parents were refugees from communism from Hungary, they came to Australia

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in 1949. And families that have escaped from communism, they understand this, that that's the

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communist strategy to have people scared of speaking up. And so it divides people,

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the relationships, the conversation stop, because you don't know who it's safe to speak to. And

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therefore, this group knows that you have to speak now in terms of family, my 40 year old personal

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form of personal assistant died last Tuesday, four children aged 20 down to 11. Beautiful girl.

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Turbo cancer. Oh, nothing to do with the jabs. Nothing to do with jabs. And you know, part of

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the great challenge is do we say to people who've lost family members, clearly the jab, you know,

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and then we've got this balance of respect, speaking up versus ending ending relationships.

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And there's no black and white answer for this dilemma that we're all in.

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No, there's not. There's not. And Terry and I, my wife, we all we regularly talk about the situation,

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you know, I say, depends on the person. It's a case by case situation, individual by individual,

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whether or not I feel like I should bring up. There's so many things. We've had a couple of

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deaths here in my neighborhood. A stroke, one woman had a couple of strokes, a lot of sick people.

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Now, I don't ask them, you know, I don't say, well, were you injected or anything? I won't do that.

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It's none of my business, you know, to do that. But I know them well. But other people tell me

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that they were the other friends. I don't even ask them. I don't. It's none of my business. They just

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tell me, you know, they said, well, yeah, they were injected and stuff like that.

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I along these lines, when we first moved here in 2017,

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you know, I might have heard a siren, one or two sirens a month, you know, like a fire truck or

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ambulance or something like that. Over the past year and a half, they're there every day,

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typically four to seven a day. I've heard as many as nine in one day, two days, I heard eight,

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only one day that I not hear a single siren in the past year and a half.

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And I'm trying not to count them. They still go there and I hear them and I said,

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Dave, don't count them. Don't count them. Everybody, that is a very useful relevant

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statistic in this question of excess deaths. And Steve Kersh, his newsletter today quoted

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a scene Mel Hotra and then Neil Oliver, who then had that Carl Sagan quote,

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is death, death, deathly silence on these excess deaths. And Dave, that's a beautiful test, isn't

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it? The number of ambulance sirens. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, that's especially the contrast,

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the before and the after. Yes, I call it BC before COVID. All right, let's get on to some other

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questions while Stephen's off answering the door. Rima and then Kelly. Rima is, is, is our wonderful

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global troublemaker. Rima. I do the best I can. First of all, David, let me say it's a real pleasure

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to see you in the Zoom flesh. I have quoted and cited a number of your pieces, which I think are

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enormously important, clear and actual science, really, truly science. It's very exciting and rare.

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Thank you very much for that. I, I'm, you may not know, I'm the medical director of the Natural

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Solutions Foundation, and we operate globally to make as much trouble as we can. I agree strongly

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with your notion about the importance of decentralized social, legal, agricultural, economic,

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etc. medical units, except for one thing. Unless we get our countries out of WHO and the United

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Nations, everything you're talking about, every opportunity to experiment, to globalize, to,

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to de-globalize, to localize, everything that we want to do is illegal and will be literally a crime.

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The, the genocidal program known as Agenda 2030, Agenda 23, Agenda 21, Agenda pick your number,

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makes any such innovative or regionalized or locally created effort a crime against the state.

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It's very clear. And so in order to have the freedom to do what you're saying should be done,

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with which I agree, it is essential to get rid of the overwhelming control mechanism of the

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control mechanism, the juggernaut that is coming towards us across the field of devastation that

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it's creating economically and agriculturally and in terms of healthcare. Consequently,

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what our foundation, our organization is focusing on at this point is one thing and one thing alone,

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and that is getting us all out of this massive structure before, before the international

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health regulations are amended as the G20 wrote a day, leaders, God help us, those are our leaders,

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wrote a declaration saying they, they endorse these secret negotiations will literally destroy

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any shred of national autonomy, regional autonomy or personal autonomy. It's that important.

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From my point of view, there's no other more important issue. So at the beginning of this

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discussion, I put up some resources at preventgenocide2030.org, which are available

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for anybody who wants to join the battle in any way they want to join it. But if we don't focus

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on that, we don't have the opportunity to go forward and experiment with any damn thing.

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So I just want to put that out to you, David, for your response.

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Well, I agree that should be resisted with all the power and effort and the energy

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that we can muster. But if it comes, if it happens, I'm not going to give into it.

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I don't care what they'll kill you, David. If it's, that's well, all right.

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They'll kill you, they'll kill me.

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They're trying to do that already.

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They sure are.

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I will die before I give into that. I mean, it's that simple. And if I'm the only one,

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if I'm the only one willing to die to be free, then there's no justification for people to try

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to be free. You know, it's that simple.

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Well, I have two responses to that. The second, the first is, well, there'll be at least two of

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us dead. But there'll be a lot of us dead. And the other thing is, I would really love it if I could

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invite you to appear on my podcast, the Tuesday following this one, because I think we need to

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share this information and passion and informed passion with people.

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That'd be the 20th you're talking about? The 20th?

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Yes. Well, whatever the, a week from this coming Tuesday, I haven't looked at the calendar.

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Oh, a week from this coming Tuesday, that'd be the 27th.

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Yeah.

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That'd be the 27th. Yeah, I could do that. Send me an email or something.

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Great. Do I have, did you put it on my website?

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It's on his website.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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I can give it to you here too.

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Good. Please do.

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D as in Delta, my first name, D R-A-S-N-I-C-K, D Rastnik, at M-E, the letters M-E dot com.

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Great. I will, I will reach out to you and we'll finalize that.

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I do my best to not say no.

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Very good.

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Thank you.

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Rima, can you please put your, repost your links to your website as well as you?

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I'm looking for it again. If I don't see it, I'll put it up again. Yes, absolutely.

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Thank you. Great. Okay. Kelly.

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Dr. Rastnik, thank you for taking my call. I had a question. In the time of HIV,

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we were on the verge of compulsory testing for people to be admitted to hospitals.

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And in addition, a lot of marginalized communities, anyone that was in foster care

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or dependent on social services was subjected to testing and coercive procedures. So I've,

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I've always looked at HIV as maybe the test run for what we're seeing now,

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just launched a larger level. And I was wondering if you agree,

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and if you could speak to that. Thank you.

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That's it. Where are you located, Kelly?

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I'm in Baltimore, Maryland.

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Okay. Well, that was a quick one. I agree with you completely. In fact, I said that I think

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the infrastructure that controls the world today was put into place back in the,

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the AIDS scare of the eighties and nineties is all there with Anthony Fauci. Fauci started

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in November of 1984. And he started all this insanity. I mean, he wasn't alone by any means.

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He was just the public face of this thing. And there are a lot of powerful people that are

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behind him. The, our federal government, the Department of Defense was behind it. The CIA

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was behind all this crap. The United States is one of the biggest villains in the world right now,

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probably has been for a long, long time. I mean, we just have to face it, just have,

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I'm American, have to own up to it, you know? And so

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I'm short and sweet. David on Kelly's point, that's where that was because, because the AIDS

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question, as Bobby Kennedy told us, he spent, his book was 200 pages on the AIDS,

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HIV AIDS game. And you clearly played a big part in that.

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Yeah, I helped him with that. And Celia Farber, my dear friend journalist, she's one of the best

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journalists around. It's been covering AIDS stuff since I think 87, 85 at Spend Magazine. And she's

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really paid the personal price for being an outspoken, honest writer who's published a lot.

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She's lost lots of opportunities, really paid the price. All of us have, you know? I, Peter,

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because he's never had a grant proposal since 1987 or something like that, that was granted. And he

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never had one turned down before he started speaking out against HIV. He hasn't had one

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since then. And he was a member of the National Academy of Sciences. He would have gotten the

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Nobel Prize that he kept his mouth shut, you know? And I mean, all of us, every one of us who

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were in the AIDS war, battling on the right side, as far as I can think of it, you know,

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at least we were, yeah, we were sacrificing ourselves. I didn't think of it then,

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you know, and I still don't think of it as sacrifice. We're warriors fighting a battle,

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you win or you lose or whatever, but you do the right thing. And, you know, I mean,

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too many good things came of it for me personally. Like I said, it's the wonderful people that you

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get to meet and interact with. I never would have met Peter Duesberg. And he and I worked for about

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10 years on the chromosomal imbalance theory of cancer, the most important work I've ever done

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as a scientist. I would have never, had it not been for AIDS that put me in contact with Peter

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Duesberg, I would have never done the most important work of my scientific life. I mean,

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in that weird, and that's, I've mentioned earlier, just reiterate, this weird, horrible time

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presents so many opportunities, opportunities to learn about things that you never even

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thought you needed to know, or that was even knowable, you know, and look forward. That's

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why I kind of wanted to start this thing by at least talking or initiating discussions

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about the world that we want to construct, the bill to build, the societies, the free,

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independent society. And I like to start hearing more and more people bringing that up, because

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all we hear now, I mean, everything is about, oh, how many dead people this week? How many

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a heart problem? So on and so forth. The economics, the collapses that are coming, what's gold going

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to do? You know, and are that, you know, the what's going on with the farms? And like, I tell you,

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the Dutch, those Dutch people, those farmers there, I'm really pulling for them. I hope they resist.

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They want to try to, what's it 3000 farms or something they want to close their,

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That's correct. That's correct. 3000.

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I'm really God, if I was in Holland, I'd be with those guys on their side, you know, fighting in

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those Canadian truck drivers, you know, that were fighting. Those are warriors. Those are

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we're all warriors in our own way. And I'm with all those people. If they can't be there physically,

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I'm with them spiritually, you know. And so when I said that, you know, whatever the WHO,

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whatever they decide, those criminals, whatever they decide, I frankly don't give a damn.

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If they can't pull off the things that they're trying to do, great. But I'm still battling the

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bastards, you know, and, and going to keep going the way I want to. What I want to do has nothing

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to do with what they're doing. That's what we have to start thinking about. We have to start

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doing what we want to do, regardless of the bastards, you know, so don't-

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Beautifully said. And Buckminster Fuller, I remind you, everybody said,

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if you don't like the system, don't tear the system down, build a new system, which is,

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which Dave is what you're saying. That's why. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly.

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Over to Albert, the VAERS, our VAERS resident VAERS expert, Dave.

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Oh, okay. Oh, yes. I know this gentleman. He's a good one too.

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Hi, Dave. How you doing? Thank you. God bless you. And God's continued hedge of protection over you

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and your family. So you were saying, North Carolina, and I keep thinking about, you know,

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like Dr. David Martin and how he was talking about North Carolina Chapel Hills University

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and the gain of function. There's got to be some scoundrels running around there that know what

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they did hiding out over there. Oh, yeah. I mean, like I say, that's right up there,

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was it Chapel Hill, I think, which is right near Raleigh, right near all of those

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Triangle Research Park and all those pharmaceutical companies. Yeah. I mean,

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and with that being said, so I worked at a lab for

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over 10 years here in the South Bay called Hunter Laboratories, and we did a lot of work with

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Boston Heart Lab. I don't know if you've ever worked, had anything to do with, I mean,

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Boston Heart Lab and Berkeley Heart Lab. I don't know if you ever did anything

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with those guys. What do they do? What do they do? They just ran blood tests for

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now. No, the kind of stuff I did was like pharmaceutical stuff. I designed

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inhibitors for enzymes for tissue destroying diseases, and also I had a couple of little

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companies where we provided had catalogs of reagents for other people, research, and mostly,

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most all of it was for researchers, but some of it was collaboration with Marion Merrell Dow,

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I think, yeah, Marion Merrell Dow, Marion Labs with a spinoff of one of my companies for

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arthritis. One of our things was for drugs. So that's the kind of labs that I dealt with.

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Right on. Well, you know, I just throw another little minor conspiracy into the pot there, but

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you know, one of the largest labs in America is called LabCorp. You're probably familiar with

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that name. Oh, I know LabCorp, yes. And Quest Labs. Those are diagnostic labs.

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So for at least this half of the United States, LabCorp, you have to send all the blood goes to

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San Diego. I don't know if people really knew that, you know, who cares where it goes, but

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though it goes to San Diego, but that happens to be where, you know, at least the town where the

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Salk Institute is at, right in San Diego. And I always thought, I always thought, man, is that,

636
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is that a coincidence? Because I'm sure Salk Institute needs a lot of blood to do whatever

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they're doing over there. Did they do the analysis only in San Diego? Is that what you're saying?

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Yeah, they would process all the blood. All the assembly line of test tubes are all there

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in San Diego. And that's why these doctors in California, at least here, always hated LabCorp

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because it took forever to get the lab results. And they'd have to like redraw the patients a

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lot because for some reason, you know, the blood would spoil or couldn't wouldn't get there in time

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or, you know, something happened in the, in the, in taking it to San Diego that they'd get a call

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from LabCorp and say, no, no, we couldn't process it. You got to redraw. So, you know, all these

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California docs would say, give me any other lab than LabCorp. So that's where my laboratory Hunter

645
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found its niche. But Chris Rydell, my old boss, I put the, an image in the chat right now,

646
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but he became one of the biggest whistleblowers in the United States in 2011. Against, you know,

647
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kind of like what Brooke Jackson is doing as a whistleblower. But when Brooke Jackson wins,

648
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she's going to dethrone my old boss, Chris Rydell. You know, his, his settlement was like $243 million.

649
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But the bigger, the bigger part of that, that nobody knows about was that for a whole year,

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Medicare and Medicaid as the, as like a penalty for LabCorp and Quest and all those people,

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for a whole year, anything that LabCorp received from Medicare or Medicaid was like free. They

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couldn't charge Medicare or Medicaid for a whole year. And that, that would have been way more than

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$243 million. That's what the government got out of it, I think. But anyways, I digress. Just thank

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you for having me on your recommended sites. I got you on my website and God bless you. I, I always

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liked your, your style because you're so humble and you speak, you speak, you're just so cool.

656
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You know, you appreciate that. But I mean, what can I do?

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Just keep being yourself, Dave. Thank you. What you see is what you get.

658
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Right on. Thank you, Dave. Thank you. Thank you, Albert. Simon Dorff. Dave is our patent expert.

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So if you want to see any links between patents, Simon's your man.

660
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Thank you, Charles. Yeah, actually, mainly looking at patents to see or uncover the creative

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thought and science and in the past, we used that a lot also to have a look at how to solve problems

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in the medical area with a cross domain knowledge. I was going from one domain to the other.

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A lot not happy to say for Pfizer and Janssen's at the time. Just wanted to go back to your

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point on the ambulance calls. I had a quick look and I found that there is a

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signal there of the waiting times in NHS.

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In HS, what's HS? NHS. NHS, Dave.

667
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There's something going on with Zoom.

668
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Oh, Simon, it's your microphone.

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Okay, waiting times. You can see.

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That's a nice one. The NHS shows that peak basically from 18, 19, 20, 21 as a signal.

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But my question now is a bit about fear. When I was in Russia in 1992, I think it was

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very high fear and at the same time, being a bartender there, it was also very intense,

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the life and you were very connected. The more fear there was, the more intensity you had basically

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in feeling alive, which is quite a crazy thing. That sounds like war. That's like when I was in

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Vietnam. I think just after Perestroika there was a bit of a mafia time. But at the same time,

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the fear kind of asks us to get more security and before we know that high security actually slips

677
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us in this minimum freedom system, which is a bit of a conflict. I also see when you talk about this

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extreme wealth, that there is a kind of correlation between the very wealthy and the very poor.

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It's not just straw roofs and making their own jam. It's mainly they have the time to think

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and to do the things on their selves. It seems like the group in the middle doesn't really have

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time for anything and follows the narrative. But when you have a lot of wealth or no wealth at all,

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you seem to have a lot of time to think creatively. It's a bit like this SSD mode of

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invention there. That's interesting. My question there is that if you look at

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creative thinking or worrying, it's like the same thing but opposite. With worrying, you imagine,

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you share imagination of things that can go wrong. With creative thinking, you share imagination of

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things that go right. My question is there, is there an opportunity there? Because if we look at

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this blessing, this guys, if we have this imagination now being promoted in the worst part,

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can we flip that around? Can we get people to actually start to create what you say the new

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world using this fear as a fuel to wake up? Because a lot of people say that the whole

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COVID lockdown has actually brought people to think about life more. Could we switch that or

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flip that around and use this whole situation basically to our benefit? I think so. I think I

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really do. And I think that's sort of what I'm advocating. Let me say something real quick

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before I forget it. I wanted to say something I learned when I was in Vietnam about the fear

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thing. I wasn't afraid there often, just two or three times that I can remember the specifics.

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But the way, the thing, this might be true with all wars, I don't know. The thing about it is that

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once you accept the fact that you could die, once you accept the fact that you could die,

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it's amazing how easy it is at that point on. The fear seems to have gone. It's like,

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I could die today and stuff like that. There's nothing I can do about it. So just accept it.

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Now, I don't know if everybody can do that. I did. And I think a lot of the guys that I knew there,

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the way I watched how they behaved and everything, I think they might have too.

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So I think the key is like right now, like when I said, I'm not afraid of this stuff. If the WHO

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calls the thing that I know, I'm not going to do what they tell me. If it kills me, I'm not going

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to do what they tell me. And I have accepted the fact that I might have to pay that price.

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And once you have come to terms with that, it doesn't mean that you're not going to be

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afraid or anything like that. Although I don't feel afraid right now, that's for sure. I feel angry.

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You know, I don't want to do something about it. But that's what I try to help people with is,

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you know, acknowledge it, acknowledge the worst that could happen and see if you can just accept

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it. And maybe the fear is toned down somewhat. If you're constantly, I mean, I see a lot of these

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people, the ones that I call the Borg, you know, the ones that still wear a mask and are really

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afraid. They're constantly afraid, so obviously afraid. They're going to wear themselves out,

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you know. They use so much energy just being fearful. And the thing to do is to say,

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it's just relax. You know, the only way that I guess, like I said, when I was in Vietnam,

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the way to relax is, okay, I could die. All right, and not worry about it anymore. Now,

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I know it sounds easy and simple, but that's the way it worked for me.

715
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Thank you. So Dave beautifully said, and it's a lovely segue, because I'm about to

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hand over the moderation to Simon. I've got a three-way global call with some people in Hungary

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that I need to set up. Simon is now going to moderate. And what you just shared, Dave,

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is of course from the lyrics of The Rose. And as soon as you, you know, the only people who

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forget how to live are those who are afraid of dying. So once you lose the fear of death,

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Carlos Custanedas also wrote about that. Lose the fear of death and you truly live.

721
1:19:20 --> 1:19:23
Well, I can see that. I can see that. Yeah.

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Yeah. So over to, so Steven, I've got to go to this meeting. I might be back before the end,

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but Simon is going to moderate. He's been geared up for it. Simon is a co-host. Steven's a co-host.

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So Dave, it's wonderful to be with you and everybody else. Keep it going. Keep the chat

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going. Simon, you're now in charge. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, Dave.

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Yes, Jack, please.

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Uh, first of all, I too, I'm a refugee from California. And I grew up in San Diego,

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which also happens to be the hometown of the Scripps Institute, as well as the Salk Institute.

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And the Scripps Institute has been very heavily involved in bioweapons research.

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And we're provided a lot of the cover story for this thing. When it first came out, they

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published quite a few phony articles supporting the natural origin theory and so forth. So anyway,

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so I'm not proud of my hometown. Okay. Yeah. I wanted to comment on a couple of things and

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all kind of thread together toward the same end that you've been talking about, David.

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So the next thing I want to just talk about was science.

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Science. And it's very interesting. Science is one of the three basic areas of human creativity

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that were identified by Arthur Kessler in his brilliant treatise book, The Act of Creation.

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He identified science, art, and humor as the three great areas of human creativity.

738
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And I happened to have done my doctoral dissertation on humor. So did you really? Yeah.

739
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Makes me laugh. Yeah, I'm a psychologist. And I'm a psychologist as more of kind of

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an political scientist, because that's what the time requires, but it requires both.

741
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So I am very much in accordance with your advocacy of small political units. It's obviously the way

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we have to go. We have to go in exactly the opposite direction that the World Economic Forum

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and Bill Gates, et cetera, want us to go. And we don't have to simply identify all this from

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scratch. There are lots of very interesting examples of political units that have actually

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grown up quite independently. And let me name off a few that people might want to look up.

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1:22:14 --> 1:22:21
Of course, everybody's heard of the Zapatistas, and they have managed to hold off the federales

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in Chiapas province of Mexico for I don't know how long, 20, 30 years something.

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And so Comandante Marcos, who is the informal, and because he really is not a believer in

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authority of any kind, but he there's a very interesting book you can buy of all his sayings,

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all his wisdom, which I think probably compares with Mark Twain or Thomas Jefferson.

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But that's an example. They've held off the federal government of Mexico. They've held off the troops

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literally often. And the government's finally given up on them. But they're an autonomous

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community within Mexico. There's another one that I think is very interesting called

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Gaviota, which is an autonomous community. It's been around, I think, about 30 years now,

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years now, experimental community in Eastern Colombia. And they've done some very innovative

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things. And it shows the kind of creativity that can be brought to bear when you create

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your own community as a small group. And another one is in Spain, Marina Leda, which is an Andalusian

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section of Spain. They've also been an autonomous community for a long time. The government leaves

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them alone. And they're known as a little communist, little communist city down there.

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And they again have done some very inventive things. So and even at the national level,

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you have Uruguay, which I think is a very interesting example. They formed something

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clear back after Operation Condor is pretty much over. And they were all let out of jail.

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They've been in jail. They were the Tupumoros guerrilla group who were let out of jail finally

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after 15 years. And they formed in a coalition government called La Fronte Amplio, the broad

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front. And there was something like a dozen different political parties, joint forces,

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which we could certainly do here, all around, basically, majoritarian positions.

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And they actually took control for 15 years of the federal government and an electoral system.

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That displaced the two parties that had ruled Uruguay for 100 years, just like our two parties.

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They became a powerful third party. And they reigned all the way from communists to fiscal

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conservatives, who could all unite around a majoritarian theme. So that's a very interesting

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model to study. Then we have Libya before Gaddafi was murdered, sadistically murdered.

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And his very interesting and very progressive, very successful socialist nation was destroyed.

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It had incredible public benefits and had a very almost virtually no federal government.

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They had a system of public assemblies at the local level, regional level and national level.

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They made virtually all the political decisions. In fact, Gaddafi once proposed to do away

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with the federal government entirely. And the assembly wouldn't let him do it. So you just stay

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in place and take care of business. And a very interesting model that had to be destroyed.

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And it's remained almost completely invisible and grotesquely propagandized by the American

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government, deep state, etc. The whole goddamn cabal. So Libya, very interesting. It's hard to

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find out very much about it. There were two people who really understood this at the time. One was

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Cynthia McKinney and the other was Alan Brown. Oh, and of course, Francis Boyle, the international

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attorney who actually defended Gaddafi successfully in the International Court of Justice to fend off

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a pending, a looming American attack on them clear back in the 90s. And at the last minute,

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he got into the International Court of Justice and he stopped it. So anyway, these three people

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really know Libya and what Gaddafi really was. He was a political genius and what he actually

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achieved there. The other interesting- Just a moment. You sound extremely well informed.

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Have you written anything about this at all? Consolidated it or anything?

788
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Well, I'm a retired psychologist and I'm working on a book right now because this COVID thing has

789
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finally inspired me to finally put a lot of stuff together. And the whole obvious issue of basically

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collective trance state, which we've all seen. We've seen people walking around in trance and

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they respond to you with about three words and that's all they've got. And they're

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carefully programmed into their disabled brain functioning. It really is literally disabled.

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That's what a trance state is. It's a state of disabled brain functioning, cognitive functioning.

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1:27:39 --> 1:27:48
And that's the other thing I wanted to bring up. The idea that we are actually being terrorized.

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This COVID thing has been a terror campaign, a domestic terror campaign,

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and it is absolutely nothing new. And I find this-

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That's true. That's absolutely true.

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Yeah. And I find this really, I think, important to wake people up to recognize them. You and I

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are old guys with white beards and everything. Okay. Because I was also a Vietnam era veteran.

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And there's very interesting books have been written about what war does to people

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psychologically. It's an attack on the identity of human beings. It transforms identity. If you ever

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kill another human being, especially a stranger, he wasn't breaking into your house, never did a

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damn thing to you or anyone in your family and you kill him. That is with you and it transforms

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your identity. It's not a stress disorder. Very important psychologist, V.S. psychologist,

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Edward Take wrote a very important book about this. I believe in that. I didn't have to do

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anything like that. Thank God. Yeah. Right. My brother did. But yeah.

807
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That's true. And it screwed him up for 10, 15 years, but he made a life.

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At least. At least. Yeah. And the most healing thing I've seen veterans do is go back to Vietnam

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and Vietnamese say, why don't you come back so that we can forgive you?

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And this is the one veteran. Yeah. One veteran I knew we used to go around to the schools trying to

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keep kids in high school and college from signing up for Iraq and Afghanistan.

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And we had a bunch of veterans went around speaking to them. And one veteran I went with

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us, he said he had been through all this therapy for years and years and years and nothing ever

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healed him until he went back to Vietnam and met the Vietnamese veterans of what they call the

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American War. Yeah. Well, it was. And they told him it wasn't your fault. You were sent by a

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corrupt government to destroy us and you didn't know what you were doing. See, we can say that

817
1:30:11 --> 1:30:16
to him. I can say that to him. It doesn't matter. It was important. It was absolutely essential that

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the Vietnamese people tell him that. Yeah. And Joel had what had had a cancer that he ended up

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dying of and he wanted his ashes scattered in Vietnam. So his brother had been there with him.

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And so they went back together and they helped to build a school there.

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They spent there about a year over there. And Joel died a few years later and he wanted his

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ashes scattered in Vietnam. So his brother Chuck took the ashes over there, flew over there,

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1:30:51 --> 1:30:55
told the school they were coming. The school wanted his ashes. Breaking up a bit, Chuck.

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1:30:55 --> 1:31:02
OK. OK. The school wanted his ashes. And so Chuck arrives at the airport and he was met with a

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limousine that took him back up this beautiful valley to the school where there was a huge crowd

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gathered there for memorial service. And they had an urn for him that they placed in an honored

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place in the school with a view where his spirit could look out over the valley. That's healing.

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And that's the way it happens. And that's what we do. Every young man and woman we send over there

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to one of our endless wars, serial wars, suffer some kind of damage to their sense of who they

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are as a human being. I totally accept that. And so we have to cut that shit out. I totally

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agree with that too. And the way to do it, I'm convinced when you look at these little examples

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like Daviosas and Marinaleda and the Mondragón, the others, the Mondragon cooperatives in northern

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1:32:03 --> 1:32:10
Spain, where they have a whole community full, in Basque Spain they have a whole community full

834
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of companies that follow the same rules, which are basically worker-owned cooperatives

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where the collective hires the management, not the other way around, and everybody shares

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1:32:25 --> 1:32:32
from the profits. And they have a tight limit on the ratio of salary from the CEO down to the

837
1:32:32 --> 1:32:43
lowest paid workers, maybe 10 to 1 max. So there are models. And those Mondragon cooperative did

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1:32:43 --> 1:32:49
very well in 2008. They didn't crash. They've done very well in international markets through

839
1:32:49 --> 1:32:55
their manufacturing. We need to look at models from other countries, almost all of which are

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1:32:55 --> 1:33:05
better than ours. I totally agree. And the small scale, I think it's not for me to put my ideas

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1:33:05 --> 1:33:09
on those folks over there in a totally different part of the country or the world or anything.

842
1:33:10 --> 1:33:16
I would love for the people right here in North Carolina, close to me, Greensboro and stuff like

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I've tried and tried and tried not to do this because it was too premature. But it was to fight

844
1:33:25 --> 1:33:30
this war that we're in right now. That's what I was trying to do. And I was so disappointed

845
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that basically they all thought that the election was going to make all the difference.

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1:33:36 --> 1:33:36
Oh, yeah. Right.

847
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I kept telling them and I felt so sorry for them. They had to go their own way, but they wasted so

848
1:33:42 --> 1:33:48
much time, energy and effort trying to go that route. And when they asked me about it, I did.

849
1:33:48 --> 1:33:52
It's like I don't talk to people. I don't ask them whether they've been injected or anything

850
1:33:52 --> 1:33:59
like that. It's none of my business. And I didn't. But when they asked me about it, they want me to

851
1:33:59 --> 1:34:05
do it. I said, I have no confidence in it. I'm not going to waste my time on something. And I know

852
1:34:05 --> 1:34:12
doesn't have a chance and couldn't have a chance. Yeah. And the interesting thing of it was that

853
1:34:13 --> 1:34:17
when it got closer and closer to the elections, the people that I kept saying that to, they kept

854
1:34:17 --> 1:34:24
coming to me and they agreed. And before the election, that it was totally wasted effort.

855
1:34:25 --> 1:34:30
And they've learned that. The only good thing about it is that they've learned what I know.

856
1:34:32 --> 1:34:37
And I think that's a key to the big con is maintaining the illusion that the conflict

857
1:34:37 --> 1:34:41
in our society is horizontal rather than vertical.

858
1:34:41 --> 1:34:46
And when people talk about politics and election and about Republican,

859
1:34:46 --> 1:34:48
right, we have Democrats and Republicans.

860
1:34:48 --> 1:34:52
They don't understand all of that is ancient history. That has nothing to do with anything.

861
1:34:52 --> 1:34:53
Oh, right, right.

862
1:34:54 --> 1:34:59
It's, they don't understand that all that's finished. It's finished.

863
1:34:59 --> 1:35:04
We were taught to be fair of communists. And we were taught to be. And then when the Soviet

864
1:35:04 --> 1:35:09
Union collapsed, then we're then we have terrorism. And anybody could be a terrorist.

865
1:35:10 --> 1:35:14
The shoe bomber proved that even even white people can be terrorists.

866
1:35:15 --> 1:35:20
And then when thank you, when that started running out of steam, then we go back to Russia again,

867
1:35:20 --> 1:35:26
where we are now. And it's been one continuous state of state terrorism.

868
1:35:27 --> 1:35:28
Ever since World War II.

869
1:35:28 --> 1:35:31
I think they're trying to bring in another question, I think.

870
1:35:31 --> 1:35:34
Thank you, Jack. Thank you for your points.

871
1:35:34 --> 1:35:35
Yeah, sure.

872
1:35:35 --> 1:35:42
Talking. Let's go to you were talking about Russia. Here is Tessa Lena. Please.

873
1:35:44 --> 1:35:47
Hi, everybody. And David, thank you so much. It was a wonderful presentation.

874
1:35:47 --> 1:35:53
I also want to thank you, Simon and Gary and Albert and so many wonderful comments.

875
1:35:54 --> 1:35:58
Before I go to the serious part, Simon, 1992 in Russia, I don't know where you were,

876
1:35:58 --> 1:36:04
but it was awesome. Like as a kid, it was awesome. So we'll talk about it later.

877
1:36:04 --> 1:36:09
Like all the Westerners say, oh, it was such a horrible time. It was awesome.

878
1:36:09 --> 1:36:16
So now serious points. You know, I really loved what you said about balance, David.

879
1:36:16 --> 1:36:20
And like I have my own talking point where I say that all the bad things happen really

880
1:36:20 --> 1:36:23
because there's a lack of balance, because every good thing when taken to the extreme

881
1:36:23 --> 1:36:27
becomes a bad thing. And we just keep walking in circles like in and young, like historically,

882
1:36:27 --> 1:36:32
even with different cultures and different ideas and religions and all that.

883
1:36:32 --> 1:36:38
But it seems like and it has been my observation that in order for a human being, for a single

884
1:36:38 --> 1:36:45
human being to desire balance, first, there has to be great pain, because it is in human nature to be

885
1:36:46 --> 1:36:51
kind of complacent and arrogant. And it's not it's just how we are, all of us.

886
1:36:51 --> 1:36:57
And it seems like in order for wisdom to show up as something that we really want,

887
1:36:58 --> 1:37:02
first, there has to be great suffering. And I don't like even saying that. I mean, like that's

888
1:37:02 --> 1:37:07
that's not a pleasant thing to say or to live through. And it's almost as if the current

889
1:37:07 --> 1:37:13
situation, all the horrors that we are facing right now and in the West, the horrors that people in

890
1:37:13 --> 1:37:19
other places faced before. So they're not new existentially, they just knew in the West in this

891
1:37:19 --> 1:37:27
particular era. It's almost like it's here to bring about awakening in a sense that suffering

892
1:37:27 --> 1:37:33
actually forces people to abandon what they believed in, what they took for granted.

893
1:37:34 --> 1:37:40
And usually there's great resistance to that. So people don't just abandon their ideas easily.

894
1:37:40 --> 1:37:46
That's when people hold on to their ideas. So the existential dilemma that I've been

895
1:37:47 --> 1:37:51
thinking about a lot, and I would love to hear your thoughts. It's almost like if we're on the

896
1:37:51 --> 1:37:58
good side of things, we can create we can set a good example, we can be completely vigilant in

897
1:37:58 --> 1:38:03
our own lives, we can be brave in our dealings with the tyrants, we can use our skills to fight

898
1:38:03 --> 1:38:10
the tyrants, but we cannot force wisdom on other people, we can create as good conditions as we can.

899
1:38:11 --> 1:38:17
We can be again our absolute best, but it's almost like if we try to force good things

900
1:38:18 --> 1:38:24
on other people, then we become the dark ones and the dance continues. So it's critical to be very

901
1:38:24 --> 1:38:31
very watchful for not infringing upon other people's free will as we do that. So what do you think?

902
1:38:40 --> 1:38:42
It's pretty cool.

903
1:38:49 --> 1:38:55
Yeah, I agree. You said the word that I keep using all the time. I'm glad to hear you say it. We have

904
1:38:55 --> 1:39:02
to give examples. We have to be an example. It's not what we say, it's what we do. Exactly.

905
1:39:02 --> 1:39:10
You know, and I've seen a lot of examples here in North Carolina and other places. I mean,

906
1:39:10 --> 1:39:15
people who are just themselves doing what and you can see it's so authentic. When people

907
1:39:16 --> 1:39:26
are authentic, it is plain as day, you know, that they're telling their story. I've watched these

908
1:39:26 --> 1:39:37
moms, these mothers and their kids and fighting for them. It's those examples that just touch you.

909
1:39:40 --> 1:39:48
So I agree with what you're saying. And the interesting thing about pain, you said we need

910
1:39:48 --> 1:39:52
that, right? Did I read you right? I know, unfortunately. I think you're right.

911
1:39:53 --> 1:39:59
But yeah, I think you're right. Because I've watched, I guess you can't grow without pain.

912
1:40:01 --> 1:40:06
And it's like anything you do, if you study, work hard, it's sort of not fun or pleasant or whatever,

913
1:40:06 --> 1:40:14
or if you exercise until you get in shape, it's sore. I mean, that's trivial pain. The real pain

914
1:40:14 --> 1:40:23
is when it sort of goes to your soul. And I have watched the people that are really amazing,

915
1:40:25 --> 1:40:30
that I've personally experienced and known in my life, are the ones that came through some horrible

916
1:40:30 --> 1:40:38
situation, some personal horrible situation. I feel bad for them, but my God, they're wonderful

917
1:40:38 --> 1:40:47
people, though. It's like they're wise and they're wisdom. And they cut to the essence of things.

918
1:40:49 --> 1:40:54
I've seen that in my own life, too. The things that were sort of cloudy or not clear.

919
1:40:56 --> 1:41:02
Once I went through something, God, the clarity is just there. I think you're right.

920
1:41:03 --> 1:41:14
And when I was younger, I remember a lot of Europeans or other people would come to the United States,

921
1:41:14 --> 1:41:22
and they had a sort of a complaint about how we were all sort of like kids, we're all living

922
1:41:22 --> 1:41:28
a happy life and everything, and there wasn't much seriousness going on. You couldn't carry on an

923
1:41:28 --> 1:41:33
interesting or decent conversation. I paid attention to what they were saying. I mean,

924
1:41:34 --> 1:41:39
I think I was a teenager even, and certainly a teenager, early 20s, something like that.

925
1:41:43 --> 1:41:47
There was something to it, and I learned that. I've been all over the world now,

926
1:41:48 --> 1:41:58
and I've met a lot of people. And sure enough, the places that I went were the people that I

927
1:41:58 --> 1:42:06
admired and wanted to be around and communicate with were the ones that had experienced something

928
1:42:06 --> 1:42:12
that wasn't fun, that was kind of hard, like in South Africa, right after the apartheid stuff.

929
1:42:12 --> 1:42:17
And I went down there. I even lived in South Africa for almost two years. And the places that

930
1:42:17 --> 1:42:24
I went in Europe, and yeah, I've been to a lot of places, Madagascar, Papua New Guinea,

931
1:42:26 --> 1:42:33
and I've seen what the colonialization did to people and what, you know, and then they are so

932
1:42:33 --> 1:42:44
different. People that have survived and come out of a harsh or tragic situation seem to be more human.

933
1:42:45 --> 1:42:48
Yeah.

934
1:42:48 --> 1:42:53
I mean, that's just the way that I don't know if I've... You give me the opportunity to talk

935
1:42:53 --> 1:42:55
about something I haven't thought about in decades.

936
1:42:57 --> 1:43:02
Thank you. I agree. And I was laughing because that was my complaint exactly when I was just

937
1:43:02 --> 1:43:04
fresh off the boat. It's like, what is this? I mean...

938
1:43:04 --> 1:43:05
In the USA?

939
1:43:05 --> 1:43:08
Oh, I was complaining to anybody who would listen.

940
1:43:08 --> 1:43:09
So...

941
1:43:11 --> 1:43:15
About how lack of depth, unserious...

942
1:43:15 --> 1:43:18
Good, but it breeds shallowness because you can't...

943
1:43:18 --> 1:43:20
It's shallow. Absolutely.

944
1:43:20 --> 1:43:22
...talk about sitcoms and...

945
1:43:22 --> 1:43:28
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you knew exactly what I was talking about, didn't you?

946
1:43:31 --> 1:43:37
Yeah, well, thank you, Tessa. And by the way, the 1992 experience in Russia,

947
1:43:38 --> 1:43:41
it's a bit like what you were talking about now. You only feel your toe when it hurts.

948
1:43:42 --> 1:43:48
So maybe... Now I know that my toe is just there to find furniture in the dark. It's a different

949
1:43:48 --> 1:43:54
function. But when it really hurts, of course, you feel it. Maybe like...

950
1:43:56 --> 1:43:59
Thank you so much, Tessa. Спасибо большое.

951
1:44:00 --> 1:44:01
We go on to...

952
1:44:01 --> 1:44:05
I was talking about Russia, but offline, not to take time here. So I'm so curious.

953
1:44:05 --> 1:44:09
Yeah, yeah, yeah, конечно. See how we can have...

954
1:44:11 --> 1:44:18
Thank you. James, please. Very active in our war. Charles Hoff, Dr. Charles Hoff, please.

955
1:44:19 --> 1:44:26
Oh, thank you. Thank you. It's a joy to be speaking to you all. I wanted to talk a bit

956
1:44:26 --> 1:44:34
and ask for some ideas about how to help people to overcome fear. Because, you know, truly,

957
1:44:34 --> 1:44:40
we are being terrorized. I mean, this whole pandemic has been a pandemic of fear. And the

958
1:44:40 --> 1:44:47
persecution of the whistleblowers, the persecution of ethical doctors has been a campaign of fear

959
1:44:47 --> 1:44:55
and intimidation. And I've sort of been, in some ways, sort of the tip of the spear in my small

960
1:44:55 --> 1:45:01
part of the world. I'm in British Columbia. So the College of Physicians and Surgeons here

961
1:45:01 --> 1:45:07
put out an edict about a year ago that anyone that contradicted the medical health authorities

962
1:45:07 --> 1:45:13
would be put under investigation and disciplined. So I didn't give in to their fear and intimidation.

963
1:45:13 --> 1:45:21
And so my trial is coming up in two months. I'm going to be out, tried for 10 days for this crime

964
1:45:21 --> 1:45:27
of misinformation. So they've now passed a law a couple of weeks ago called Bill 36 that enables

965
1:45:27 --> 1:45:37
them to impose a $200,000 fine, six months in jail. It entitles them to forcefully enter one's

966
1:45:37 --> 1:45:45
property, seize one's goods, lock you out, imprison one for this crime of misinformation.

967
1:45:46 --> 1:45:55
And so obviously, criminalizing freedom of speech and criminalizing scientific controversy is

968
1:45:55 --> 1:46:03
is deeply troubling because freedom of speech is the bedrock of any democracy.

969
1:46:04 --> 1:46:08
And once you no longer have freedom of speech, you no longer have a democracy.

970
1:46:08 --> 1:46:15
And once you criminalize scientific controversy, you no longer have science. Science is basically

971
1:46:15 --> 1:46:23
strangled. It can no longer progress. It is dead. So what they've done here, and the other thing

972
1:46:24 --> 1:46:33
that this law brings in, of course, is it gives the licensing boards of doctors, chiropractors,

973
1:46:33 --> 1:46:39
naturopaths, every branch of medicine, gives them authority to mandate any vaccine

974
1:46:40 --> 1:46:45
as a licensing requirement for health care practitioners. So if you want to be a health

975
1:46:45 --> 1:46:53
care practitioner in British Columbia, you have to effectively abandon the core ethic of

976
1:46:53 --> 1:46:59
informed consent. You have to effectively give up autonomy of your own body to the state

977
1:46:59 --> 1:47:05
so that they will decide when your next jab is due. And if you will still want to have to be able

978
1:47:05 --> 1:47:09
to earn a living and to be able to practice your trade, you will have your next shot.

979
1:47:10 --> 1:47:21
So this is a huge stick to punish anybody who resists this medical tyranny. And this is truly

980
1:47:22 --> 1:47:30
medical tyranny. So they have a desperate shortage of family doctors here because they fired

981
1:47:31 --> 1:47:37
2,500 health care workers out of the hospitals here who refuse to have the shots. And they've

982
1:47:37 --> 1:47:41
refused to hire them back. These people have now been off work for more than a year. So they're

983
1:47:41 --> 1:47:47
desperately trying to recruit foreign doctors and other health care practitioners to come here.

984
1:47:47 --> 1:47:57
But with this huge stick over them that you can be accused of misinformation and very harshly

985
1:47:57 --> 1:48:03
punished or imprisoned, I don't know how they get I think anybody that wanted to come to British

986
1:48:04 --> 1:48:09
Columbia would have to be out of their mind if you're a health care provider because you literally

987
1:48:09 --> 1:48:17
no longer have autonomy of your own body. So unfortunately, fear is a powerful weapon.

988
1:48:17 --> 1:48:23
And every tyrannical regime in history has used it to oppress people and to control people.

989
1:48:25 --> 1:48:30
And fear is unfortunately contagious. You know, that's what masks did.

990
1:48:30 --> 1:48:38
Masks were a very important part of driving the fear in this whole pandemic. But I just really

991
1:48:38 --> 1:48:46
wanted to ask the question if anyone has got any good ideas of how to help people to overcome

992
1:48:46 --> 1:48:54
fear. I know it's a very personal thing. But it is a powerful tool of oppression.

993
1:48:55 --> 1:49:01
I have some thoughts on that, if you don't mind. I think example is the key.

994
1:49:03 --> 1:49:13
Being with somebody, again, and being an example of a fearless person or a person who can deal

995
1:49:13 --> 1:49:21
with it who says, okay, it's, you know, it just shows that you're not alone. This is how I would

996
1:49:21 --> 1:49:29
do it. I mean, to me, if I saw somebody, especially, you know, I think like a child, what you'd, you

997
1:49:29 --> 1:49:35
know, there's nothing I wouldn't do to help some child. I see a child out there that needs help or

998
1:49:35 --> 1:49:41
something like that. I just go there and help them and do something. All right. And I think adults,

999
1:49:42 --> 1:49:48
fearful people, treat them like they're a child in need. You know, just go there and sort of

1000
1:49:48 --> 1:49:55
love them. However you want to love that person, you know, by helping. Just the example that you're

1001
1:49:55 --> 1:50:01
accepting them and that you're not afraid, you know, that's the key, that you're not afraid,

1002
1:50:01 --> 1:50:09
and you're not afraid of that person. You know, I mean, I can't put it in words. I sort of know it

1003
1:50:09 --> 1:50:17
instinctively because I've done this before, even before BC, before COVID, you know, when the

1004
1:50:17 --> 1:50:27
situation was there. And it's amazing the effect that I've even had people like that help me when

1005
1:50:27 --> 1:50:35
some strong, quiet person comes and sort of soothes and helps me. It's amazing. The fear

1006
1:50:35 --> 1:50:45
sort of goes away instantly. You know, now I think that's it. I think it's basically the L word.

1007
1:50:45 --> 1:50:53
It's like love, you know. It's like forget about arguments, forget about anything, just go there,

1008
1:50:53 --> 1:51:01
be an example of love. And it's extraordinary. I've seen it with other people that will do it,

1009
1:51:02 --> 1:51:07
they go in the crowd, especially, you know, somebody who's really scared and there's in the

1010
1:51:07 --> 1:51:13
crowd and nobody's helping them. It seems like they're just really, really bad. Somebody goes

1011
1:51:13 --> 1:51:22
up to them and just treats them nicely with love to calm down, you know. Has anybody else had that

1012
1:51:22 --> 1:51:25
experience or seen that? I mean...

1013
1:51:27 --> 1:51:36
Well, the Bible speaks to that. Perfect love casts out fear is the phrase from the Bible,

1014
1:51:36 --> 1:51:43
and it's exactly what you're talking about. Well, sheesh. I mean, it's sort of instinctive.

1015
1:51:43 --> 1:51:50
For me, it is. Maybe because I've experienced it as a young recipient, you know, of that, and I've

1016
1:51:51 --> 1:51:57
passed it along, you know, and it's just instinctive. For me, it's instinctive. If I see a

1017
1:51:57 --> 1:52:03
fearful person or somebody in need, you know, it's just, it helps both of us actually.

1018
1:52:05 --> 1:52:09
Yes, thank you very much. Mark, did you want to comment on that?

1019
1:52:11 --> 1:52:20
Thank you. Thank you. Charles, how many in your group are facing the same

1020
1:52:20 --> 1:52:29
type of thing? Because what I'm thinking is, is it not possible for your group to be big enough to

1021
1:52:30 --> 1:52:37
do something to counter the charges or to counter the

1022
1:52:39 --> 1:52:47
process that's going to be in place? So, for example, in the UK at the moment, the nurses are

1023
1:52:47 --> 1:52:56
going on strike. And that's a big deal. That's a huge deal, right? So, is it not possible that

1024
1:52:56 --> 1:53:02
there are enough of you that can actually say, well, we're going to withdraw our services?

1025
1:53:04 --> 1:53:10
At the same time, if you are having to, let's say, if someone says you've got to have this vaccine or

1026
1:53:10 --> 1:53:17
whatever, can you not use an orange and just put the vaccine into an orange? If you are going to,

1027
1:53:17 --> 1:53:24
you know, you've got to have some ways around it, some thinking, right? And you can give each other

1028
1:53:24 --> 1:53:31
the certificate, right, we've done it, we're all done, right? We're okay. I know that's not quite

1029
1:53:31 --> 1:53:39
fighting it head on. But if it's so restrictive, you've got to come up with some other means

1030
1:53:39 --> 1:53:50
of getting around these problems. And I think ultimately, it's going to take a lot. It sounds

1031
1:53:50 --> 1:53:58
to me like, you know, you're going into a totalitarian state, and you've got to get

1032
1:53:58 --> 1:54:04
around these people. Because if you confront them on your own, you're going to be steamrolled.

1033
1:54:05 --> 1:54:13
Charles, I can, something else occurred to me here in North Carolina, a group of doctors and nurses,

1034
1:54:15 --> 1:54:25
variety of specialists, left these big mega health care facilities, and they joined together

1035
1:54:25 --> 1:54:33
in what they call the Robin Hood Integrative Health, near the University of North Carolina,

1036
1:54:35 --> 1:54:45
Winston-Salem, a little city around here. And they practice medicine independent. They don't

1037
1:54:45 --> 1:54:50
accept, they don't take insurance money, so they can't be controlled with the insurance money.

1038
1:54:50 --> 1:54:58
So people have to pay, you know, cash, but they are so popular, they're inundated, they have to

1039
1:54:58 --> 1:55:03
get more and more physicians and nurses to join them, because so many people are coming to them.

1040
1:55:04 --> 1:55:12
So if it's possible for physicians there in Canada to sort of leave a system and just

1041
1:55:12 --> 1:55:19
form your own group of health professionals, you can certainly do that here in North Carolina.

1042
1:55:19 --> 1:55:23
I don't know what it's like in Canada. What do you think?

1043
1:55:24 --> 1:55:29
No, in Canada, unfortunately, the government has a monopoly not only on health care, you know,

1044
1:55:29 --> 1:55:36
private hospitals are banned in Canada. This is very communist. The Canadians don't realize

1045
1:55:37 --> 1:55:44
how far socialism has gone here. They can have private day surgery centers, but there are no

1046
1:55:44 --> 1:55:52
private hospitals allowed. And the government has a monopoly on licensing health care providers.

1047
1:55:52 --> 1:55:59
And so if somebody performs some kind of health care service and is not licensed by the government

1048
1:55:59 --> 1:56:07
organization, they are charged and fined for practicing medicine without a license. So the

1049
1:56:07 --> 1:56:16
trouble is they've got a sort of an iron grip. And so, you know, quite a group of us are trying to

1050
1:56:16 --> 1:56:20
figure out, you know, when we lose our licenses, because there are many doctors in Canada that have

1051
1:56:20 --> 1:56:26
had been struck off, they've lost their licenses for writing vaccine exemption certificates,

1052
1:56:26 --> 1:56:33
mask exemption certificates, various things like that. I don't know what will happen to me.

1053
1:56:35 --> 1:56:41
We'll wait and see. But I could very easily lose my license or get a very big fine.

1054
1:56:42 --> 1:56:47
And probably have a whole lot of restrictions placed on me for what I am or not allowed to say.

1055
1:56:48 --> 1:56:56
But the difficulty is trying to get people to overcome their fear and to group together,

1056
1:56:56 --> 1:57:01
because you, as you say, you have to, people instinctively want to be in the middle of the

1057
1:57:01 --> 1:57:08
herd. They don't want to be an outlier. They want the feeling of protection that comes from

1058
1:57:09 --> 1:57:12
from being in a herd and they want to be in the middle of the herd. They don't want to be seen

1059
1:57:13 --> 1:57:19
by the predators from the outside. And so they tend to hide. And so

1060
1:57:20 --> 1:57:26
that is the challenge is to, because, you know, unless we stand up against this tyranny,

1061
1:57:26 --> 1:57:34
it only gets worse. We have to stand up against it. It is, we are truly being terrorized. And,

1062
1:57:34 --> 1:57:42
and, you know, but the trouble is bullies are are usually also cowards. And when the,

1063
1:57:43 --> 1:57:47
when the majority of people are strong enough to stand up against them, they'll,

1064
1:57:47 --> 1:57:54
they'll usually back down. But the difficulty is getting people to stand up because it takes,

1065
1:57:55 --> 1:58:02
it takes risk. We need to, we need to inform these people, or at least some of them,

1066
1:58:02 --> 1:58:08
um, that what has gone on because they've got no idea what's gone on. And none of us has taken

1067
1:58:08 --> 1:58:16
the trouble to write an alternative narrative, um, which will appeal to lots of people. That

1068
1:58:16 --> 1:58:23
is what's missing. So Matthias Desmetz, he told us early on, um, I know that there's an argument

1069
1:58:23 --> 1:58:27
going on, but I really don't understand what the argument's about. Um, because I don't think

1070
1:58:27 --> 1:58:33
Matthias Desmetz has ever suggested that the people in this cult at the moment, the people

1071
1:58:33 --> 1:58:39
who are brainwashed, who've gone along with this COVID nonsense, he's never suggested that it's

1072
1:58:39 --> 1:58:44
their own fault. They've been psychologically tortured into that state. And to get them out

1073
1:58:44 --> 1:58:50
of that state, this is a military grade psychological operation in my view. So obviously

1074
1:58:50 --> 1:58:55
you've got to get the people out and people like you and me, we need to come together to create

1075
1:58:55 --> 1:59:01
an alternative narrative which will appeal to the most. This is why we have this group. That's why

1076
1:59:01 --> 1:59:08
I formed the group, to understand what we were facing, to try to come to a solution. But obviously

1077
1:59:08 --> 1:59:15
I didn't think that, um, yeah, you know, you don't think you can do it, but it's amazing what people

1078
1:59:15 --> 1:59:20
can do when they've got, when they follow their instincts in this situation.

1079
1:59:20 --> 1:59:29
And, uh, you have to, Charles, it's no good appeasing these bastards. You have to stand up to them

1080
1:59:29 --> 1:59:35
and at whatever the cost. So I think that David Drosnik is right, you know, when you're faced up

1081
1:59:35 --> 1:59:41
to the possibility that you can die in your, in our case that we lose our licenses, whatever, um,

1082
1:59:42 --> 1:59:48
then they have no power. They have no power. We can laugh at them and they don't like being laughed

1083
1:59:48 --> 1:59:54
at. But we need to have a narrative and it's taken a very long time for me to decide what the

1084
1:59:54 --> 2:00:00
real problems are. I think it's a military-grade psychological operation and it's worldwide

1085
2:00:00 --> 2:00:05
treason. And until you understand that, you can't actually fight these bastards.

1086
2:00:07 --> 2:00:14
Thank you, Stephen. Um, and I think also what David was saying, uh, love against, uh, or love as the

1087
2:00:14 --> 2:00:20
weapon for fear is fantastic. It works with my chicken as well, actually. And then humor also.

1088
2:00:21 --> 2:00:26
That's true. Humor is an important one. Humor is great. Yeah, they don't like being laughed at.

1089
2:00:27 --> 2:00:33
But, uh, and, and sorry, uh, thank you, Jim, for your patience. If Teresa can just have one more,

1090
2:00:33 --> 2:00:36
uh, um, reaction to Charles. Teresa.

1091
2:00:36 --> 2:00:44
Hi, thank you, Simon. Um, Charles, I really feel for you. Um, it puts me in mind of a,

1092
2:00:45 --> 2:00:52
uh, a friend of mine, uh, Dr. David Cartland, who has just gone viral, um, through being a little

1093
2:00:52 --> 2:00:59
video that he did was, uh, tweeted by, um, Assim Mahoultra. Um, and I think it's been seen

1094
2:00:59 --> 2:01:06
hundreds of thousands of times, which is fantastic. But, um, I think it's been a very

1095
2:01:06 --> 2:01:12
I'm sure he won't mind you telling me telling you this. A few months ago, um, he was in a very

1096
2:01:12 --> 2:01:18
difficult situation where the general medical council in the United Kingdom didn't have enough

1097
2:01:18 --> 2:01:24
information on him to, uh, to strike him off. So they referred him back to the fitness to practice

1098
2:01:24 --> 2:01:33
department in the NHS, who then started investigating him. Um, he was given a certain

1099
2:01:33 --> 2:01:39
number of weeks to produce any evidence that he felt that should be taken into account in his

1100
2:01:39 --> 2:01:48
defence. And, um, he very nearly gave up medicine. Um, he did seek advice from me and I suggested

1101
2:01:48 --> 2:01:57
that together we draft a letter to the NHS fitness to practice directorate and we tell them exactly

1102
2:01:57 --> 2:02:05
why he doesn't want to give the vaccine to his, um, to his, uh, patients. And what we did was a

1103
2:02:05 --> 2:02:11
very short letter. It was, um, very, very heavily referenced with peer reviewed, um, uh,

1104
2:02:12 --> 2:02:17
pub scientifically published papers showing the multiple toxicities of the vaccine.

1105
2:02:18 --> 2:02:25
And, um, basically it was, it was kind of a sucker punch because what it did was it, the person

1106
2:02:25 --> 2:02:32
looking at the evidence, most probably being fully vaccinated would have to read the truth

1107
2:02:32 --> 2:02:38
about the toxicity and what they've actually done to themselves. So we called it like a sucker punch.

1108
2:02:38 --> 2:02:48
In fact, I've given some version, a copy of it to, to Stephen. Now the, my suggestion that if you

1109
2:02:48 --> 2:02:56
were to put together a, um, a letter detailing that and make that the main part of your defence,

1110
2:02:57 --> 2:03:02
then the people reading it, they have to read it. They have to look at the peer reviewed papers

1111
2:03:02 --> 2:03:09
that say that this vaccine is, is toxic in every which way it could possibly be toxic. Um,

1112
2:03:09 --> 2:03:15
wouldn't that strengthen your case? I can provide you with a copy of Dr.

1113
2:03:15 --> 2:03:21
Cartland's letter because after about six weeks deliberation, um, the NHS fitness to practice

1114
2:03:21 --> 2:03:28
directorate got back to him and they said, Dr. Cartland, you can go back to work. They didn't say

1115
2:03:28 --> 2:03:34
another word. Yeah, I would be very, I would be very grateful to have a copy of that letter.

1116
2:03:35 --> 2:03:40
Um, yeah, thank you. That would be excellent. Should I put my email address in the chat?

1117
2:03:40 --> 2:03:44
If that's easy, so how should we do this? Oh, actually you, um,

1118
2:03:45 --> 2:03:50
well, I've got Stephen's email. He can, he can hook us up if you want. Thank you. Okay.

1119
2:03:50 --> 2:03:57
Is it thank you for offering help. So, Charles, is there any way we can help you as a group?

1120
2:03:57 --> 2:04:03
The people not, not necessarily, um, the people on this call at the moment, but the people we know

1121
2:04:03 --> 2:04:10
actually, um, uh, we can contact Stephen and Charles, let's do that offline, uh, through

1122
2:04:10 --> 2:04:15
the emails. Uh, we have a few more questions and not much time left. So if it's okay, I would like

1123
2:04:15 --> 2:04:23
to go to Jim, uh, for questions for David. Hey, thank you very much. Uh, great presentation. And,

1124
2:04:23 --> 2:04:30
uh, going to start first with the, uh, with the financial system, the healthcare, you pointed out

1125
2:04:30 --> 2:04:37
Robin Hood in your area. And, uh, that's very important. The, um, the federal reserve chairman

1126
2:04:37 --> 2:04:41
in Philadelphia was on a phone call with some people from Wharton recently, and they said he's

1127
2:04:41 --> 2:04:47
going to increase the, uh, interest rates once they take into account the need for hospitals to

1128
2:04:47 --> 2:04:53
get more money. All right. And that's critical. So what they're going to do is they're going to,

1129
2:04:53 --> 2:04:59
the hospitals are increasing the cost by, they're going to try to get a 40% pay raise. And then

1130
2:04:59 --> 2:05:04
that is going to bankrupt the United States economy. And they are going to increase the

1131
2:05:04 --> 2:05:09
cost to the fed, increase the rates to the federal reserve, uh, causing a vicious cycle of, uh,

1132
2:05:09 --> 2:05:17
economic horror. Um, this, this is where we're, this is being orchestrated at the highest levels

1133
2:05:17 --> 2:05:21
of the federal reserve. And ultimately they're going to be the ones who benefit from this CBDC.

1134
2:05:22 --> 2:05:28
So we know who's kind of pulling all the strings. It all comes down to, uh, the owners of the

1135
2:05:28 --> 2:05:35
federal reserve, the Rothschild Soros and, and these people, um, who, who are orchestrating this

1136
2:05:35 --> 2:05:42
issue seemingly for the reason of climate change and, and taking down the world population for the

1137
2:05:42 --> 2:05:50
good of the climate. Oh, and so how do we rationalize asking them to please stop?

1138
2:05:51 --> 2:05:57
And what are our bioethicists? And then I have a couple of other questions specifically on the,

1139
2:05:57 --> 2:06:01
on the, um, protease things that you know about.

1140
2:06:03 --> 2:06:10
Well, um, I don't really know how to, uh, address the first question other than,

1141
2:06:10 --> 2:06:18
I don't believe a damn word those people say, you know, the ones that are, uh, trying to control

1142
2:06:18 --> 2:06:23
us. It's, you know, all the, I don't believe a word that comes out of the federal government,

1143
2:06:23 --> 2:06:32
United States, none of the CDC, the NIH, the president, the Congress, I don't hear in the

1144
2:06:32 --> 2:06:37
North Carolina, the government here. I don't, I don't accept anything these people say. I don't

1145
2:06:37 --> 2:06:46
get, I won't negotiate with those folks. So, um, maybe, maybe your question a little bit more

1146
2:06:46 --> 2:06:51
precise and then I might be able to answer it better. Okay. Well, let me shift a little bit then

1147
2:06:52 --> 2:06:56
to, uh, to who's in control of our federal government, because it doesn't really seem

1148
2:06:56 --> 2:07:02
to be the United States. The rich people, the rich people. But maybe they're, maybe there are

1149
2:07:02 --> 2:07:07
actually foreigners and maybe the, um, you know, we were, we were, we've been talking about space

1150
2:07:07 --> 2:07:14
force. It looks like space forces, uh, is controlled by possibly other countries because Israel used to

1151
2:07:14 --> 2:07:19
be out in Atlantic command, excuse me, European command. Now they're in, in central command where

1152
2:07:19 --> 2:07:26
space force is. So it could be. I see what you're saying. Frankly, I don't think when you say other

1153
2:07:26 --> 2:07:33
countries, frankly, I think like we, our president is a puppet for other people. He's being controlled.

1154
2:07:33 --> 2:07:41
He doesn't control anything. I think that's true of France, of Australia, of Canada, of, uh, you

1155
2:07:41 --> 2:07:45
know, a whole host of Germany. I mean, countries around the world, South Africa, other, I don't

1156
2:07:45 --> 2:07:51
care, you know, maybe not India and probably a number of African countries, the smaller ones,

1157
2:07:51 --> 2:07:57
I don't know. But I don't, I don't think clearly, I think it's big money. I think it's those

1158
2:07:57 --> 2:08:04
billionaires. I think it's money is controlling them. And that's what it is. It's the governments

1159
2:08:04 --> 2:08:11
are not in control. They are the ones, they're like the police force. People, the really, really

1160
2:08:11 --> 2:08:17
rich people are pulling the strings or telling the government or Anthony Fauci or some, you know,

1161
2:08:17 --> 2:08:23
somebody like that, what to do, you know? That's what I think personally.

1162
2:08:23 --> 2:08:28
Right. And just as an aside, when we figured out early on in February or March of 2020 that,

1163
2:08:28 --> 2:08:34
because China had bought up all the chloroquine, um, yeah. And, uh, we converted that we pivoted

1164
2:08:34 --> 2:08:42
to hydroxychloroquine in February, March of 2020. And then we, some people talk to the billionaire

1165
2:08:42 --> 2:08:48
boys and they said that we were told the antidote was chloroquine. And we said, Hey, you might be in

1166
2:08:48 --> 2:08:57
on this. Surprise, surprise. Now, by the way, the half-life of chloroquine is 55 days. So if you take

1167
2:08:57 --> 2:09:03
one pill every two months, I wonder if that would be a good antidote. And by the way, the, uh, the

1168
2:09:03 --> 2:09:07
military may not stock chloroquine when they may, excuse me, hydroxychloroquine when they may stock

1169
2:09:07 --> 2:09:15
chloroquine. And a lot of the initial documents from, uh, from the, um, uh, from the guy named,

1170
2:09:16 --> 2:09:22
from research triangle, Barrick, Ralph Barrick said, if you take hydroxy, if you, if you give a

1171
2:09:22 --> 2:09:28
mouse a little bit of chloroquine, you take, it takes one, one hundredth of the dose. If you give

1172
2:09:28 --> 2:09:34
it to him before he gets exposed to the COVID or the spike protein. Now let's pivot to the spike

1173
2:09:34 --> 2:09:40
protein. That's you're a protease expert. There's two parts to the protea. There's the ACE2 receptor,

1174
2:09:40 --> 2:09:47
and then it has to be activated by the furin and TMPRSS2 protease. That TMPRSS2 protease is

1175
2:09:47 --> 2:09:52
racially specific as is the furin. The furin is the serine protease and the other one is the

1176
2:09:52 --> 2:09:59
cystine protease as I recall. I'd like to talk with you further about this. The, the issue is

1177
2:09:59 --> 2:10:06
if you don't cleave those sites, the S1 and S2 segments don't separate. So you don't have the

1178
2:10:06 --> 2:10:13
activation of the GP120, GP41 if you don't cleave those two sites, correct? Yeah. I don't, I don't

1179
2:10:13 --> 2:10:18
have those. I don't know all those numbers that you're talking about. I know there's the S1 and

1180
2:10:18 --> 2:10:26
the S2. The furin, the furin cleavage site is the thing that opens it up like that. And then there's

1181
2:10:26 --> 2:10:31
another cleavage site that separates it, right? That's the TMPRSS2. Okay. See, I don't know, I

1182
2:10:31 --> 2:10:37
know what they are. I just don't know their names. Okay. So, so now what's your question? Now, now

1183
2:10:37 --> 2:10:43
are you familiar with the racial specificity of the, of the furin cleavage site and the TMPRSS2

1184
2:10:43 --> 2:10:50
cleavage site? For instance, the entire, the ACE2 receptor theoretically does not bind to K2. It

1185
2:10:50 --> 2:10:57
actually electro magnetically repels K26R, which means it won't even bind. So that's the first

1186
2:10:57 --> 2:11:03
trigger. And the K26R may or may not be the ACE2 receptor favored of the Rothschild family.

1187
2:11:04 --> 2:11:10
Okay. Right. Okay. I don't know about the racial stuff. I don't know about that. I know about ACE2.

1188
2:11:10 --> 2:11:17
ACE2. Yes. I know about those receptors. I know about these things in general. I know they're in

1189
2:11:17 --> 2:11:23
virtually every tissue there is in Oregon. And if you have something that binds to those things,

1190
2:11:23 --> 2:11:28
which as soon as I learned about it, I knew we were going to have a Holocaust. As soon as I knew

1191
2:11:28 --> 2:11:34
that they were unleashing this stuff to bind to ACE2. Now, these, these technical details that

1192
2:11:34 --> 2:11:39
you're asking me right now, I don't know that I have the answers, that I know the answers to those.

1193
2:11:39 --> 2:11:43
Cause once I knew the big picture, I didn't care about the other stuff.

1194
2:11:43 --> 2:11:46
Well, here's the, right. This is why you might want to care about this other stuff,

1195
2:11:46 --> 2:11:51
because that ACE2 receptor that they put on there seems to be racially specific.

1196
2:11:51 --> 2:11:57
You mean the binder, the receptors on your cells, the ACE2 receptor is on your cells.

1197
2:11:57 --> 2:12:03
Yes. Those are the one that's the ACE2 receptor receptor binding domain.

1198
2:12:03 --> 2:12:03
Right. That's it.

1199
2:12:03 --> 2:12:05
On this high protein.

1200
2:12:05 --> 2:12:05
Right. On the protein.

1201
2:12:06 --> 2:12:11
Is specific. So it repels certain ACE2s. Wouldn't it be nice if your ACE2 receptor

1202
2:12:11 --> 2:12:13
actually repelled that spike protein?

1203
2:12:14 --> 2:12:14
It would be.

1204
2:12:15 --> 2:12:18
Then what would happen? Nothing.

1205
2:12:18 --> 2:12:20
Well, it wouldn't be nearly as toxic. I don't think.

1206
2:12:20 --> 2:12:28
Bingo. And so if that same ACE2 receptor is in the vaccine, would the vaccine be toxic to you, sir?

1207
2:12:30 --> 2:12:33
You mean the binding domain or the receptor in the vaccine?

1208
2:12:33 --> 2:12:34
The binding domain.

1209
2:12:35 --> 2:12:38
The binding domain, if it was in the receptor, I mean in the vaccine?

1210
2:12:38 --> 2:12:40
No, it was in the vaccine.

1211
2:12:40 --> 2:12:40
Yeah.

1212
2:12:40 --> 2:12:40
Yeah.

1213
2:12:41 --> 2:12:45
Well, you have to have, you have to, I think that from what I understand,

1214
2:12:46 --> 2:12:52
the spike protein itself binds okay, but it also does other things besides just binding

1215
2:12:52 --> 2:12:58
that causes its toxicity. Just because it binds to the ACE2 receptor doesn't necessarily mean

1216
2:12:58 --> 2:13:05
that it's going to be toxic because the protein, the angiotensin converting enzyme binds to the ACE

1217
2:13:05 --> 2:13:09
receptor, but it does good things. See what I'm saying?

1218
2:13:11 --> 2:13:14
It's actually different. It's just biochemically, it's different.

1219
2:13:15 --> 2:13:20
And the ACE2 receptor binding domain of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is a toxic in and of itself.

1220
2:13:21 --> 2:13:22
The receptor?

1221
2:13:22 --> 2:13:22
Not the good.

1222
2:13:22 --> 2:13:23
Oh, the domain.

1223
2:13:23 --> 2:13:24
The receptor binding domain.

1224
2:13:24 --> 2:13:31
Well, I can accept that. I don't think that that's all the toxicity though. I don't think that-

1225
2:13:31 --> 2:13:33
No, there's more. There's more. There's more.

1226
2:13:34 --> 2:13:38
There's more. So anyway, maybe I can give you some of this information and then you can analyze it.

1227
2:13:39 --> 2:13:42
And are you familiar with the proteases?

1228
2:13:42 --> 2:13:42
Are you familiar-

1229
2:13:42 --> 2:13:45
Yeah, I am. The serine protease and the cysteine protease.

1230
2:13:45 --> 2:13:46
Yeah.

1231
2:13:46 --> 2:13:53
Yes. And the serine protease, the furin protease, are you familiar with the racial proclivity of

1232
2:13:53 --> 2:13:55
that and who has more and who has less of that?

1233
2:13:55 --> 2:13:57
I haven't looked into it. I don't have a clue.

1234
2:13:58 --> 2:13:59
And what about the TM-

1235
2:13:59 --> 2:14:00
And Jim, maybe-

1236
2:14:00 --> 2:14:06
Thank you. I'll end here and I'll get some information to him. Maybe you can take a look at it.

1237
2:14:06 --> 2:14:07
Thanks so much.

1238
2:14:07 --> 2:14:07
Okay.

1239
2:14:09 --> 2:14:13
Thanks a lot, Jim. Gary, if you're still awake, good morning.

1240
2:14:14 --> 2:14:23
Yeah, I'm here. So look, I just wanted to react to John Hoff's question about fear

1241
2:14:24 --> 2:14:34
John, I've been there with fear and fear feeds anxiety. If you want to come reach out afterwards,

1242
2:14:34 --> 2:14:40
it's really important. You don't allow it to consume your every thought and that you can

1243
2:14:40 --> 2:14:52
put in a robust defense because that just feeds the anxiety. And I'm happy to go offline with you

1244
2:14:52 --> 2:14:57
and help with anecdotes and with people who can help with that.

1245
2:14:58 --> 2:15:04
Thank you. Can I just quickly respond? Yeah, it's not me that I don't have fear,

1246
2:15:04 --> 2:15:09
which is why I've done what I've done. But my concern is my colleagues that have fear.

1247
2:15:11 --> 2:15:16
So I have a strong faith in God. We don't know, as we say in Christian circles,

1248
2:15:16 --> 2:15:20
we don't know what the future holds, but we know who holds the future.

1249
2:15:20 --> 2:15:25
So I believe in the sovereignty of God and that no evil can do anything without his consent

1250
2:15:25 --> 2:15:31
and that he will ultimately use it for the good of the kingdom of God and for those that love him.

1251
2:15:33 --> 2:15:39
That's what I stand on. Yeah, it's about what the worst can happen and what God wants to happen.

1252
2:15:39 --> 2:15:44
He can make it happen. But a colleague of yours is a colleague of mine. So that offer extent.

1253
2:15:44 --> 2:15:46
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Gary.

1254
2:15:46 --> 2:15:53
Thank you. Maybe we should have some stunning evidence, which I discovered last night,

1255
2:15:53 --> 2:15:59
which I think will break the cycle that your colleagues are in. At the moment,

1256
2:15:59 --> 2:16:05
we're trying to copy this evidence because unfortunately, if it gets out, well, you know,

1257
2:16:06 --> 2:16:12
it's available on the Internet at the moment. But if it gets out, gets any kind of publicity,

1258
2:16:12 --> 2:16:17
I fear that it will be censored. So we need copies. But I can let you have a preview,

1259
2:16:17 --> 2:16:23
if you like, if you email me, Charles. Thank you. OK. Yeah, thank you.

1260
2:16:23 --> 2:16:29
Stunning evidence from the past. They've done exactly this before, not just the swine flu.

1261
2:16:30 --> 2:16:36
I won't say anymore. Yeah. Thank you. Very good. I'm sure it'll be a censored Stiffen. Don't fear.

1262
2:16:37 --> 2:16:44
I know. Yes. But the point is, without having copies, Simon, we need copies before

1263
2:16:44 --> 2:16:47
we allow them to censor it. Yeah. Very good.

1264
2:16:50 --> 2:16:52
That's not fear. That's reality.

1265
2:16:56 --> 2:17:02
Hi. I don't know if. Very good. Sorry. Sorry. If you can put

1266
2:17:03 --> 2:17:08
your hand up, we just have two more questions here. Jack and Lex, because we have only a few

1267
2:17:08 --> 2:17:14
minutes left. If we can keep it short. Questions for David. Yeah, I'll be very brief. I was just

1268
2:17:14 --> 2:17:20
wanting you to respond to the fear question again. When people are afraid, as commented,

1269
2:17:20 --> 2:17:28
they hide behind mommy figures and daddy figures. And you notice they have very few words. They know

1270
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the words safe and effective. And they know the word anti-vaxxer, but they're very young

1271
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psychologically. It's a regressed state. And what you want to try to do is to evoke

1272
2:17:46 --> 2:17:54
an adult state, which means about 11 years old or older. And you can evoke that adult thinking,

1273
2:17:54 --> 2:18:02
cognitive processing, which has been disabled by the fear, by asking questions. And it's showing

1274
2:18:02 --> 2:18:08
some empathy. Oh yeah. Well, I was pretty scared of this initially, but then I started thinking.

1275
2:18:09 --> 2:18:12
And, oh, really, what were you thinking about? Well, I started looking here, looking there.

1276
2:18:14 --> 2:18:21
You get them thinking. And the minute they start thinking, they'll start seeing alternatives.

1277
2:18:22 --> 2:18:26
And they might say, well, what are you going to do if they're trying to take your license away?

1278
2:18:26 --> 2:18:30
Well, I've thought of this, I've thought of this, I've thought of this. So you get in a thinking

1279
2:18:30 --> 2:18:39
conversation with them gently without challenging them, without making them feel stupid, just with

1280
2:18:39 --> 2:18:48
a basically a kind attitude, but purely cognitive. Anyway, that's my psychological advice for the day.

1281
2:18:49 --> 2:18:56
You're right. You're absolutely right, Jack. You need to look at the ending of William Golding's

1282
2:18:56 --> 2:19:04
The Lord of the Flies, because those boys who lived on that island, they are in a cult, and then they

1283
2:19:04 --> 2:19:10
meet the British naval officer, and he is the father figure you're talking about, Jack. You're

1284
2:19:10 --> 2:19:16
right on there. Absolutely. And everyone- Yeah, that was a great book, yes. Everyone needs to

1285
2:19:16 --> 2:19:22
have a look at the ending of Lord of the Flies, because there's a brilliant line in it. I've just

1286
2:19:22 --> 2:19:28
remembered it now. The boys were in a cult. As the boys told their stories to the naval officer,

1287
2:19:28 --> 2:19:36
some of them began to cry. Brilliant line. Thanks, Stephen. Stephen, we come to you

1288
2:19:37 --> 2:19:40
after two more questions, and I see Zoom user also has a question. Zoom user,

1289
2:19:40 --> 2:19:42
if you can put your hand up, that would be great. Next.

1290
2:19:43 --> 2:19:47
Go ahead, Doug. I don't know how to put my hand up other than on the screen.

1291
2:19:50 --> 2:19:54
Okay, I'll come to you after, Lex. Thank you. Very good. Thank you.

1292
2:19:55 --> 2:20:01
My reaction is for Dr. Offer. This is Lex from British Columbia, the Naimo.

1293
2:20:04 --> 2:20:09
Probably weeks ago, I had an idea. I don't know how practical it can be, but for the doctors who

1294
2:20:10 --> 2:20:20
are afraid of coming out against whatever the government is doing, what if we create a risk

1295
2:20:20 --> 2:20:27
mitigation mechanism? What I was thinking is that their fear is to come out alone, and if they come

1296
2:20:27 --> 2:20:35
out alone like you did, then they get prosecuted by the government. But if they come out all at

1297
2:20:35 --> 2:20:41
once, if a certain threshold is met. And here's what I've been thinking about is like, what if

1298
2:20:41 --> 2:20:49
there's a law firm or just a lawyer somewhere out there that creates relationships with every

1299
2:20:49 --> 2:20:54
doctor who wants to oppose it, but they're not ready to come out yet publicly. But when a certain

1300
2:20:54 --> 2:21:02
threshold of doctors with this lawyer have been gathered, let's say that this lawyer has like 500

1301
2:21:02 --> 2:21:10
or 1,000 doctors who privately with that lawyer have expressed that, well, we are against XYZ.

1302
2:21:11 --> 2:21:16
Then when a certain threshold is achieved, the lawyer makes a press release and say,

1303
2:21:16 --> 2:21:24
I have the signatures of 500 docs or 1,000 doctors in British Columbia, and they're all saying,

1304
2:21:25 --> 2:21:32
we oppose XYZ. And the XYZ could really be like the sucker punch idea of theories. I think it's a

1305
2:21:32 --> 2:21:44
good idea is that you formulate a statement that a bunch of closeted doctors are in agreement with,

1306
2:21:44 --> 2:21:48
but they don't want to come out all alone one by one. They're going to get hammered, every one of

1307
2:21:48 --> 2:21:53
them, but they all come out. And then the government has to come out and say, well,

1308
2:21:53 --> 2:22:00
the government has to deal with this. This becomes like a public opinion crisis because

1309
2:22:00 --> 2:22:07
the government does, they do their thing with public opinion. So it's a risk mitigation

1310
2:22:07 --> 2:22:13
mechanism to reduce the risk for every single doctor, but then when they come out, they come

1311
2:22:13 --> 2:22:22
out all at once. I believe that in BC, we have like 9,500 GPs. We have 9,500 specialists.

1312
2:22:24 --> 2:22:31
And then you, so that's about like 1,800, 1,900 doctors in British Columbia. So just I'd like to

1313
2:22:31 --> 2:22:39
have like a significant fraction of that, of these docs that are ready to come out, but only

1314
2:22:39 --> 2:22:43
if they're like together, but they don't know like who else is coming in with them. They don't know.

1315
2:22:43 --> 2:22:48
All they know is that they're signing a statement with a lawyer. They're saying like,

1316
2:22:48 --> 2:22:56
like, I oppose XYZ. Whenever you've got like 500 or a thousand other docs that are like also

1317
2:22:56 --> 2:23:03
opposing XYZ, then you put me on that list. You make the press release and here we are. Boom.

1318
2:23:03 --> 2:23:12
It's like, and then so they don't have a risk. They don't have a risk until the condition is met.

1319
2:23:12 --> 2:23:21
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a great idea. I mean, that's, and I don't know why

1320
2:23:21 --> 2:23:29
as Charles there has he talked to other doctors? Have you talked to other like-minded doctors and

1321
2:23:29 --> 2:23:36
just talked about what to do? Yeah, I have, but you know, the group is so small, you know,

1322
2:23:37 --> 2:23:42
that is the problem. They are so small because there are many that can see the problems and

1323
2:23:42 --> 2:23:48
the injustice, but they won't even join a group. You know, I send them emails and things and I don't

1324
2:23:48 --> 2:23:55
even get, they don't even respond to my emails. They're terrified. They're so intimidated.

1325
2:23:55 --> 2:24:03
But they would come out. If I can make a variation of Lex's idea,

1326
2:24:04 --> 2:24:12
it's not only group the people from the doctors, but what if we pinpoint a day and we all come out

1327
2:24:12 --> 2:24:19
whatever the background at a certain day, the same day, then the whole vague of the whole wave of

1328
2:24:19 --> 2:24:25
resistance, I'm just saying the 17th of January, it wouldn't be stoppable because you can't attack

1329
2:24:25 --> 2:24:33
everybody at the same time. So both grouping. The trouble is each person thinks, doesn't know how

1330
2:24:33 --> 2:24:39
many others there are that are like-minded. What about this? What about patients? What about your

1331
2:24:39 --> 2:24:45
patients? Do you have a lot of patients that really like you and want to support you,

1332
2:24:45 --> 2:24:51
but they join you in public and say, Hey, go to hell. Yeah, I think quite a lot of them. I mean,

1333
2:24:51 --> 2:24:57
I have always worked in a very, I've worked in predominantly first nations, communities,

1334
2:24:57 --> 2:25:07
Aboriginal groups who are a simple country folk and have no understanding of the big picture at

1335
2:25:07 --> 2:25:11
all. They just believe the government, the government keeps giving them money and so they

1336
2:25:11 --> 2:25:19
trust the government. And so the majority of my patients don't say a word because they don't know

1337
2:25:19 --> 2:25:26
what to think. Is it worth staying where you're at or should you go someplace else? I should go

1338
2:25:26 --> 2:25:32
someplace else. Then that's what you should do. But the whole town got burned, my practice got

1339
2:25:32 --> 2:25:39
burned. There's not much left here. My house survived. But yeah, so it's difficult to sell

1340
2:25:39 --> 2:25:45
anything here because everything's there. We don't even have landlines. Everything got burned a year

1341
2:25:45 --> 2:25:50
and a half. They rebuilt nothing. There's so many safety regulations that nobody can do anything.

1342
2:25:52 --> 2:25:59
Was the fire which destroyed your office wasn't it Charles? Yes, that was just right after I came

1343
2:25:59 --> 2:26:04
out with that D-dimer about the micro-clushing. About a week after that everything burned to the

1344
2:26:04 --> 2:26:13
ground. Yes. So in your view now, so some months afterwards, or a year is it, is that arson or not?

1345
2:26:14 --> 2:26:22
Well, the government did an investigation for a year on the cause of the fire and the official

1346
2:26:22 --> 2:26:28
answer is they have no idea what caused it. So most people think it was arson.

1347
2:26:29 --> 2:26:34
Yes, well it certainly seemed it. The temporal relation between what you were saying at the time

1348
2:26:35 --> 2:26:41
and the danger to them and then the fire. It was... Yeah, yeah. The most people put two and two together

1349
2:26:41 --> 2:26:48
and they thought the coincidence was just too great. Correct. Thank you. Thank you, Lex, for your

1350
2:26:48 --> 2:26:57
question and your idea. And maybe just to zoom user before we go to Louise. Oh yeah, thank you so

1351
2:26:57 --> 2:27:04
much everyone. I'm Doug Hulst at MD. I'm from Monterey, California. I'm actually somewhat in the

1352
2:27:04 --> 2:27:11
same category as Charles is, although I haven't had my office burned down. The fire was just

1353
2:27:11 --> 2:27:17
the medical board of California is after me. I backed into the whole vaccine mess because

1354
2:27:17 --> 2:27:23
I deal with autistic children from about 2000 on. And I was just curious to Simon,

1355
2:27:23 --> 2:27:34
do chickens have senses of humor? Yeah, the egg first actually. The egg first, then the chicken.

1356
2:27:34 --> 2:27:41
Okay, all right. I was just curious about that. My view is that we really are looking at a

1357
2:27:41 --> 2:27:47
spiritual warfare and we need to actually understand that. The autistic kids in my

1358
2:27:47 --> 2:27:54
practice are about 74 of them out of 149 got there because of the vaccines. So I backed into this

1359
2:27:55 --> 2:28:00
watching the childhood vaccines. And of course the COVID vaccine, I believe is the childhood

1360
2:28:00 --> 2:28:06
vaccines to the second power. Just horrid. I've got six family members who have been

1361
2:28:07 --> 2:28:12
vaccine injured and about half of them don't even understand that it came from the jabs.

1362
2:28:14 --> 2:28:19
There is an organization called Physicians for Informed Consent. It's out of Southern California.

1363
2:28:19 --> 2:28:25
Charles, you might want to be in contact with them. They might have some data for you. It's

1364
2:28:25 --> 2:28:33
exquisitely hard. So here in the United States, we have something called the US Constitution.

1365
2:28:33 --> 2:28:39
I doubt if you have the US Constitution working in British Columbia. Is that appropriate?

1366
2:28:40 --> 2:28:46
No, we don't. We do have a Canadian Constitution, a Bill of Rights and Freedoms,

1367
2:28:46 --> 2:28:49
but it is not anything as robust as what you've got.

1368
2:28:50 --> 2:28:57
Yeah, presently what's happening is they're chasing me for a single medical exemption I wrote for a

1369
2:28:57 --> 2:29:06
child five years ago. So everybody's pretty serious about the vaccinations. And I know we're in a

1370
2:29:06 --> 2:29:12
mixed group, but I'm telling you that childhood vaccines were horrid and the COVID jab is the

1371
2:29:12 --> 2:29:18
childhood vaccines on steroids. It's just amazing to watch this noise come through.

1372
2:29:20 --> 2:29:28
Thank you so much, everyone, for putting together this discussion group. I appreciate it.

1373
2:29:28 --> 2:29:33
Unfortunately for me, I'm electronically impaired, so I don't even know how to raise my hand on the

1374
2:29:33 --> 2:29:37
screen. So thanks for letting me speak. I appreciate that.

1375
2:29:38 --> 2:29:44
Thank you. One more thing about chicken. They're like Belgians. They make jokes about them being

1376
2:29:44 --> 2:29:47
stupid, but they don't mind because they don't get the jokes anyway.

1377
2:29:47 --> 2:29:52
They don't get the jokes. I'm very pleased to hear that because I would hate to start dissing

1378
2:29:52 --> 2:29:57
any chickens that are out there in case they're listening on this Zoom call. That is important.

1379
2:29:57 --> 2:29:59
Can I pray for the whole group if you don't mind?

1380
2:30:01 --> 2:30:05
Sorry? May I pray for the whole group if you don't mind?

1381
2:30:07 --> 2:30:15
Yeah, that's okay, Simon. It's okay. Yeah. Father, I thank you for your grace and your mercy to us.

1382
2:30:15 --> 2:30:21
I pray that you help all of us see what you have for us, and I pray your protection over every one

1383
2:30:21 --> 2:30:26
of us. I particularly pray for Charles that your grace would be unto him and protect him.

1384
2:30:27 --> 2:30:30
I pray these things in Jesus' name. Amen.

1385
2:30:31 --> 2:30:31
Amen.

1386
2:30:31 --> 2:30:32
Thanks, guys.

1387
2:30:34 --> 2:30:38
I wanted to let you know I found the name of that Australian attorney I worked with.

1388
2:30:39 --> 2:30:45
Anybody want to know? Benedict S. Clemens. Benedict S. Clemens. He was the first

1389
2:30:46 --> 2:30:52
guy that contacted me right off the bat with this COVID nonsense, and we worked for a number of

1390
2:30:52 --> 2:31:00
months, maybe half a year together. Zoom user, I don't know your name, so have you been coming

1391
2:31:00 --> 2:31:06
to the group a lot recently, or is this your first time? This is my first time. I'm just very happy

1392
2:31:06 --> 2:31:12
I can speak English with you guys. So, yeah, so you're welcome to our meeting. We have two a week

1393
2:31:13 --> 2:31:20
on Tuesdays and Sundays. All right. Yeah. Eagle88, Albert invited me.

1394
2:31:22 --> 2:31:26
He's going to speak to us for Christmas. We're going to have a Christmas greeting.

1395
2:31:29 --> 2:31:29
Very good.

1396
2:31:31 --> 2:31:32
From Archbishop of Ghana.

1397
2:31:34 --> 2:31:34
Thank you.

1398
2:31:37 --> 2:31:37
In Melbourne.

1399
2:31:37 --> 2:31:40
Not from the Pope, no. He's opposed to the Pope.

1400
2:31:42 --> 2:31:43
Louise.

1401
2:31:45 --> 2:31:46
So we're done, I guess.

1402
2:31:48 --> 2:31:49
Last question.

1403
2:31:50 --> 2:31:58
Last question. I just wanted to say, yeah, continue with the prayers. I pray every day,

1404
2:31:59 --> 2:32:07
it is a spiritual evolution. Yeah, so thank you. First time I think I'm on this Zoom call as well.

1405
2:32:07 --> 2:32:14
So timing is amazing. It's divine timing. I always ask for divine timing. So thank you

1406
2:32:14 --> 2:32:21
for everyone. And what I heard a little from you, Charles, God bless and God bless everyone.

1407
2:32:21 --> 2:32:29
And yeah, just picking up on coincidentally, nothing happens by coincidence, what Lex was

1408
2:32:29 --> 2:32:35
saying. And I think there's a really unique opportunity building on that idea around

1409
2:32:36 --> 2:32:44
there's a significant sector potentially here in Australia that is wanting to come out to kind of

1410
2:32:44 --> 2:32:54
look at how to get support. Okay, now, and the thought was, if there was the scope of, say,

1411
2:32:54 --> 2:33:01
I don't know, 100 doctors, 200 doctors, perhaps signing and sort of an affidavit,

1412
2:33:01 --> 2:33:06
verifying all the evidence that we now know about the injuries and the deaths

1413
2:33:07 --> 2:33:15
that could be coordinated through a lawyer to actually work with this sector. And uniquely

1414
2:33:15 --> 2:33:23
enough, there is actually a lawyer, a law firm here in Australia that has come forward to work

1415
2:33:23 --> 2:33:30
with people that have been damaged by the vaccine. So the idea was, is there anyone, I guess, any

1416
2:33:30 --> 2:33:37
doctors or anyone willing to actually coordinate and be that liaison point with this particular

1417
2:33:37 --> 2:33:47
significant sector that really wants, that has had enough, they're enraged. And so that's kind of

1418
2:33:48 --> 2:33:54
where things are at. And I just wanted to put that out there to see who's out there, whether that's

1419
2:33:54 --> 2:33:58
something through you, Simon, or whoever's coordinating.

1420
2:34:01 --> 2:34:08
So we, but the problem is, we can't agree on this. Well, we haven't been sure of what's going on,

1421
2:34:08 --> 2:34:16
at least I haven't until now. And, but we need to do what I was saying earlier. And yes, we need to

1422
2:34:16 --> 2:34:22
get lawyers to think creatively about what they can do at the moment to make the biggest difference.

1423
2:34:22 --> 2:34:28
So for example, send warning letters to the people about to punish Charles, target people

1424
2:34:28 --> 2:34:35
personally. We just need to massage the message so that we get the maximum number of the people

1425
2:34:36 --> 2:34:42
to actually come along with us, because this is pure evil what we're facing now. This is pure evil

1426
2:34:42 --> 2:34:48
and we have to confront it. We have to confront it sooner rather than later. But the problem is,

1427
2:34:48 --> 2:34:56
we didn't know the full extent of what was going on until now, or at least I didn't.

1428
2:34:56 --> 2:35:02
And then there's disagreement between, but all we need is someone who's determined, and determined,

1429
2:35:02 --> 2:35:11
and people who can have the time to put work in, take the lead if you like. And we can do it. But

1430
2:35:11 --> 2:35:17
the problem is trying to get 10 doctors even to work together. And we've got 10 on the call tonight,

1431
2:35:18 --> 2:35:26
getting 10 doctors to work together, trying to agree a narrative if you like, and a way forward.

1432
2:35:27 --> 2:35:34
That's all it would take. We just need to get the message out, because all these people, once they

1433
2:35:34 --> 2:35:39
realize what's happening, that their own government has been psychologically torturing, they will do

1434
2:35:39 --> 2:35:46
the work for us. But as long as we leave them in their little world, that's very dangerous for us,

1435
2:35:46 --> 2:35:54
and for everybody actually, them included. Thank you, Stefan. And thank you, Louise. I think also

1436
2:35:54 --> 2:35:59
what David was saying earlier, use the patients as a resource. Every doctor has many patients

1437
2:36:00 --> 2:36:07
that could actually multiply your group quite easily. David and Steve. We can do it. We can

1438
2:36:07 --> 2:36:11
break these plasters. But we just need 10 determined people.

1439
2:36:13 --> 2:36:20
Doctors would be great. 10 very determined doctors who agree to disagree, but actually

1440
2:36:20 --> 2:36:25
to paper over those differences and to come out with something that will resonate with the public

1441
2:36:25 --> 2:36:31
so that they sound, so that we sound authentic. That's the thing. Authenticity is the key,

1442
2:36:31 --> 2:36:40
like. Yeah, and I think forgiveness. I think he's being. No, we can't forgive at the moment.

1443
2:36:40 --> 2:36:48
No, we can't forgive at the moment. No, no, no. I mean forgive in the sense of, what's the word?

1444
2:36:48 --> 2:36:57
Forgive, yeah, compassion. It's more in that loving space. Well, yes, there's a time for that.

1445
2:36:58 --> 2:37:02
First of all, we've got to get these people to listen and to be afraid of us because they

1446
2:37:02 --> 2:37:09
need to be afraid of us. We will win. It's just a question of when and that's in our hands.

1447
2:37:10 --> 2:37:16
Yeah, and the other thing was around in the US, I was advised there's something called the RICO,

1448
2:37:16 --> 2:37:24
R I C O, around corruption and cartels or whatever that doesn't exist here in Australia. I don't know

1449
2:37:24 --> 2:37:31
that's helpful for anyone that's still here from the US. Just sort of just put that out there.

1450
2:37:33 --> 2:37:39
Thank you. Thank you, Louise. I realize we are about 10 minutes over time. Sorry for my moderation.

1451
2:37:40 --> 2:37:44
David, thank you for your patience. Steven, do you want to make some final comments on

1452
2:37:44 --> 2:37:52
the talk of David or any points or questions? And then we'll go over to the. So I do. I was

1453
2:37:52 --> 2:37:57
going to say what I just said, actually, this is pure evil. We have to confront it. We have to have

1454
2:37:57 --> 2:38:04
the courage to confront it head on. And so we have to do that in the end. But actually, we can,

1455
2:38:05 --> 2:38:11
if we could create a narrative which made sense to the maximum number of people who are caught

1456
2:38:11 --> 2:38:16
up in this cult, that would help us greatly because it's the people who are complying with

1457
2:38:16 --> 2:38:25
this nonsense, who are keeping us all in the trap. But I don't know, you know, I don't even know

1458
2:38:25 --> 2:38:29
whether this is obvious to everyone else what I'm just saying. So it may be obvious, but I'm

1459
2:38:29 --> 2:38:36
frustrated because we don't seem to have any, any. I think time's running out. Sorry. Wait, I think

1460
2:38:36 --> 2:38:45
time is running out. We've already had three years of this stuff. And next year, I'm pretty sure 2023

1461
2:38:45 --> 2:38:50
is going to be a lot worse year yet. Well, we do have the truth on our side, David, and I believe

1462
2:38:50 --> 2:38:57
that truth will always have to act with it and on it. You have to. Yes. So you have to. Yes,

1463
2:38:57 --> 2:39:03
you have to get in concert with the truth and we need to look authentic so that people recognize

1464
2:39:03 --> 2:39:09
what we're saying has actually happened to them. And they so they do the work for us.

1465
2:39:10 --> 2:39:15
It's going to take physical action. It's going to take people refusing. It's going to take like

1466
2:39:15 --> 2:39:22
the Canadian truck drivers, those Holland farmers. It's going to doctors like the doctors here in the

1467
2:39:22 --> 2:39:27
United States and North Carolina that left the big thing and started up their own thing. It's going

1468
2:39:27 --> 2:39:35
to take action, not words. Exactly. But the problem is that if you haven't got enough people to agree

1469
2:39:35 --> 2:39:39
on what the action is, then we all impel on from weekend to weekend.

1470
2:39:41 --> 2:39:48
Then I think you need to go some. You need to go someplace else and find warriors.

1471
2:39:48 --> 2:39:54
Sure. You know, if you if you three years in right now and you're in a place where you can't really

1472
2:39:55 --> 2:39:59
find people, find any warriors, you're going to have to go to where they exist.

1473
2:40:00 --> 2:40:05
Well, actually, David, they are coming to join us more and more people, but they're not coming

1474
2:40:05 --> 2:40:12
in sufficient numbers to make it a quick process. That's the problem. But they never gain any any

1475
2:40:14 --> 2:40:20
men, if you like. And we are gaining men all the time, but somewhat slower than we would like.

1476
2:40:20 --> 2:40:25
That's my anyway. Sorry to what do you think, David? Any other thoughts?

1477
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Well, no, I mean, I think, like I said before, time's running out. One thing you can count on

1478
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when people really start hurting in mass, especially those that have sort of been in the middle,

1479
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then they're going to start deciding which way they're going to go when the pain really hits,

1480
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you know, to fight back or just give up. You know, Jack was absolutely right about something

1481
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else. He said he was saying that he thought that you have to go through problems in your life to

1482
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become a force to be reckoned with. I think that's absolutely true. It's only when you go

1483
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through problems that you grow as a person, as a human being. And so that's why we've got so many

1484
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whistleblowers in this group, I think, because they're attracted to the truth and they're not

1485
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afraid. But trying to get whistleblowers to work together, I think it's worse than hurting cats.

1486
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Yeah. Okay, hey guys, I've got to go. Thank you very much.

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I enjoyed meeting all of you. Thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it.

1488
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Thank you. Please work with us, David. Happily. Like I say, I do my best to not say no.

1489
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Oh, and I would like to ask the people who don't say much in these groups, you know, maybe they

1490
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don't like speaking. Well, I had to learn how to speak, but I'm not pointing the finger. Well,

1491
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I can't speak still, but I had to learn. I didn't like taking the initiative. But anyway,

1492
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I would say to the people who are sitting, listening to all this, thinking that the people

1493
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who speak have all the answers, they may have the answers, and I'm very interested in what they have

1494
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to say. Okay. And even as David was saying,

1495
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I'm less, little less. Thank you, everyone.

1496
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Tom Rodman has the link there in the chat.

1497
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For the people who want to have a after party for everybody else, have a good Sunday evening or a

1498
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good start of the week. Don't forget to save the chat and I will close this meeting. Simon,

1499
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could you send me the chat, please? Simon, could you send me the chat when you save it? Thank you.

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Yeah. Thank you. I'll save it.

1501
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Thank you all very much. Have a Merry Christmas. Thank you, Charles. Thank you very much.

1502
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Email me Charles and I'll send you that. Thank you. No fear.

1503
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Good to see you, Ray.

1504
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Chat, Steven.

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Very well. God bless everybody. Good night. Good morning.