Yeah, before you start, okay, that suits us perfectly. So you share whatever you want to
talk about. And then we'll have a discussion for two and a half hours, no problems. Okay. And,
and we don't have a break. But when you need a break, and I hope you do, because that means
you're drinking enough water, I'm always concerned about our guests who don't who can go for two and
a half hours without going to the toilet. It's a bad sign, everybody. And coffee, that's true.
Cup of tea. I made a cup of tea.
Very good. So let me just welcome everybody, Dave, before you start. So you can speak whatever
you like. And then I'll moderate the discussion and people know what they have to do. So welcome
everybody, particularly new, particularly, virginal visitors to this group. We are lots of professions,
I've run through those professions here in a true spirit of exploration and discovery, Dave.
Most of us understand, we're in World War Three at the moment, we go for two and a half hours,
there's a telegram video chat that Tom Rodman organizes for those who have more time.
There is no censorship, but there is proper moderation, free speech is totally welcome here,
free speech is crucial to our freedom. We understand that. The the this discussion
is to help us all get increased understanding about whatever the discussion is. And some,
you know, one of the issues that arises is each one of us on this call has different areas of
interest. And some people say, what's the relevance of this? Who knows? Be open to the possibilities,
because there is no black and white game plan, other than the fact that we're in World War Three
with a lot of battle fronts. The the your beliefs that you have about what's important, other people
have different beliefs about what's important. We understand the development of science and hence
that quote of Carl Sagan's and Stephen I'm going to I'm going to use that quote frequently. And also,
Dave, Michael Crichton, the writers quote, he says, when someone tells you the science is settled,
reach for your wallet. So we are we're totally happy if you think something is a solution for
something, put it in the chat. And if someone else thinks it's not any good, put that in there,
but don't have a full on argument in the chat. It doesn't make you look good. It's just a waste
of time for people to read it. We come from love, not fear. And the challenge of love is loving
those who have different opinions to us. And it, it certainly pains me to see the fights that are
happening between people within the freedom and truth group, those who don't accept the government
narrative are then attacking each other. So that's a challenge for all of us. We ask you to have an
open mind. This is an opportunity to raise your own self awareness. The q&a follows after days,
well, this is basically going to be a discussion today after Dave does his first presentation.
This is recorded, we have a rumble channel, we'll put that link into the chat. And lastly,
lastly, if you are offended, as the moderator, I'm not interested. We are not interested in the
offense industry here. And I have seven standard responses to anybody who says they're offended.
And I'm happy to share those seven in writing with people in due course. But essentially,
be offended and keep keep quiet about it. Alright, Dave, that's that's what we're about. We welcome
you. Thank you for making yourself available. I just want you to understand that I finished my law
degree in the early 70s. In fact, in 1973, from the University of, of Melbourne. So I'm now 70
years of age. And there are plenty of people on this course, on this in this discussion, Dave,
who are holistic health experts. And you know, one of the wonderful things that's happened,
number one, there's whole new perspectives around health, new health systems being
set up. And thirdly, one of the most wonderful things is that I would never have met Stephen
Frost, or you, or many of the people on this call, if it wasn't for COVID. So let's celebrate the
fact that we've all got a whole bunch of new friends. Over to you, Dave. Oh, man, that's
perfect. I totally agree with what you said there. In fact, one of the top things that I always tell
people, I already mentioned it once already, are the wonderful people you get to meet when the when
the world goes to hell, basically, you know, and that and you have to you have to enjoy and relish
those things, you know, and there's actually, let's see here, let me look at my little thing
here, there, there are three things, the wonderful people that you get to meet. And the other thing
is clarity. You think of all the people, the new people, like Catherine Austin Fitz that I that I've
met Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and his work and a whole host of others, yourselves, the people in this
group, the other group that's called the Doctors for COVID Ethics that I work with,
and that know about finances or about the law, medicine, food, gardening, all of that stuff,
and how the world works. What's her name? Whitney, Whitney Webb, the woman who has been following
behind the scenes, things that are going on a whole host of people all around the world.
And we're all working together and learning from each other. So that that is another wonderful
thing. And when you put it's like all these puzzle pieces are coming together now, you know, you knew
part of it over here from your own personal experience and a little bit over here. And now
they're all just sort of fitting together. And it provides us clarity about what's going on in the
world. And there's value in that because we can use that. It provides us with an opportunity
for the people that eventually escape the enslavement that they're trying to
perpetrate on the world right now. For those people that escape this enslavement and survive,
we have an opportunity to restructure a viable free society or societies all over.
And that's basically one of the things that I wanted to talk about. Because, as I mentioned,
I'm usually asked to talk about COVID, about PCR, about infectious diseases, about cancer.
I'm an expert on cancer and about AIDS and these other things. And the battles that I've been
fighting for almost four days, literally four decades in the AIDS arena. And I'm happy to do
that. But a lot of this information, a lot of this technical stuff is covered now tremendously well
by lots of people from all over the world. And what I wanted to do right now, I think
it's not too early for us to start thinking and talking about how to go about restructuring society
when the horrors are finished and the devastation is pretty much complete.
And it's going to get a lot worse before it gets better, in my opinion. I think a lot of people
accept that too. But at some point, we have to build things. We have to restructure societies.
And one of the best books that I've come across on how to structure free societies and keep them
free is a relatively old book. I think it was 1957 when it was first published. It's called
The Breakdown of Nations by Leopold Kaur. And you can download a PDF of the entire book from my
homepage. It's a homepage on my website. And I'd be happy in a few minutes to share my website.
I guess you said I might be able to share my screen here.
Yes, you can share your screen, Dave.
Okay. And maybe I'll do that right now. Let me get my website up here. And I click on the thing that
says, I've seen a share screen. I've clicked on it right now. It says share.
And we can see your screen, Dave.
And do you see my web page?
Yes, we do.
Okay, good. So the things that I want to point out is davidraskinick.com. That's fairly easy.
I've got about 40 years worth of information on here. It goes back a long ways.
And the things that stand out right off the bat, well, my very younger face up there. But then
there's my email envelope right next to it if anybody wants to contact me. And I've got this
button, COVID hoax, which has got lots and lots of stuff since 2020, when all of this stuff started,
and I was pulled back into these battles, and then recommended sites down here.
But the things that I want to point out right now, just above recommended sites,
are some things that I've written. Plus the breakdown of nations that I just mentioned,
that's right down here, the breakdown of nations, you click on it. And it's the entire book. And you
can download it. I think it's 141 pages. It's by Leopold Korr. 191. That's right. It's got the
without the images. It's not that large. But that's a book. I highly recommend it for people
who are interested in rebuilding a free society when it comes time to do that.
We could not even Korr would admit, and he admitted the stuff that he's talking about
in this book about how to build a free society. People have asked him,
will it happen? And he said, no. The answer is no, it won't happen. But could it happen? Yes,
it could. And the reason I'm bringing it up now is because the only way that you could do what
Korr is advocating to start up from small societies is if the societies that you're
in right now are being demolished or being destroyed, they're collapsing on their own
or they're deteriorating. So now you have an opportunity and you didn't even have to do it.
The bad guys did it. And Leopold Korr now has wonderful ideas about how to start,
you know, when given the opportunity to come up with free societies and viable free societies.
So I highly, highly recommend this book. I read it again the past week to refresh my memory
for what we're talking about today on here. So basically, his criticism of what's wrong with
the world can be summarized in a very simple sentence. Wherever something's wrong, something
is too big. Now, the whole book can be condensed into that and he explains that. It's got multiple
chapters and everything in there about that. And I agree with him, his logic. I view it differently.
I think of it as a colossal imbalance, you know, where things get so way out of balance
that there's a problem there. And what was I going to say about that? Yeah,
I said that when big, I use the imbalance thing here and in particular, the social, political,
and day-to-day imbalance of power. It's an imbalance of power between a few hundred billionaires
and the eight billion humans they want to enslave. See, that's the key here. This is perfect
core type of thing. You would call it just the bigness of the fact that there's so much
wealth concentrated. To me, it's that imbalance. And we have to never, we have to stop that. We
have to make that go away. You cannot have a free, productive society when you have such a
massive imbalance of wealth. These people who have hundreds of billions of dollars,
or even a billion dollars, or are in charge of companies that control trillions of dollars
of funding and things like that, I mean, massive amounts of money. Well, that concentrated wealth
is a weapon. It is the principal weapon being used against us. It is the power, it is the fuel
to implement all of these things that they're doing to the world right now. It has to do with
the fact that these people are not even really human anymore. They don't mix with regular people,
they don't rub shoulders together, they don't go to stores, they don't have any of the concerns or
the thoughts or even the interactions with the kind of interactions that the rest of us in the
world have. So they're basically, I think, an insane lot of people. I think when you get that
amount of wealth, you've heard about isolation, one of the problems where they want to isolate
us because of the COVID stuff and everything, wearing masks and isolate people. They say
isolation can cause mental problems. I have no doubt about that. They really can. It happens
to a lot of prisoners. Guess who are the most isolated people in the world? Billionaires.
The only people that they really get to interact with are people like themselves and the people
that they buy and own. They have nothing in common, their interests and everything, their minds. They're
basically insane, but I don't hold them blameless for that. Okay, so that's the one thing. We can
never, in my opinion, ever, ever allow such a disparity, a colossal imbalance of wealth,
which is the energy or the fuel that society uses in a constructive way. Well, these people have
commandeered it all for themselves. It made them go insane, and then they use it to do whatever
insane thing they want to do in the world. Now, these people have more money than brains.
There's no doubt about that because as a scientist, I've been around a lot of really smart people,
and a lot of really smart people are almost always wrong. Anyway, I can tell you, when
people ask me about scientists, I say we're almost always wrong, which is true. You aren't doing
science unless you're really, really stretching it out there. Otherwise, you're just a technologist
that just keeps doing the same old thing over and over again. But if you're a scientist, you're asking
big grand questions. I mean, there's a hierarchy of these questions, and I've asked them in my life,
various questions about this thing, and then bigger ones like cancer really opened it wide up
when I started working with Peter Duesburg. You really don't know what you're doing.
You're asking questions, and you're exploring stuff. Engineers are different from scientists.
Scientists don't have a whole lot in common with engineers. We have more in common with artists
than with engineers because we're very creative. We're going, trying to go where nobody's gone
before. Engineers are just extremely capable people. It's easy to tell an engineer from a
scientist. Engineers know what they're doing. They make the planes fly. You don't have to be
an expert to know when an engineer is successful or fails. The car works, the phone works, or it
doesn't. But a scientist, it's hard even for scientists to know if they're right or wrong.
Historically, we know for a fact that we're almost always wrong, but you just keep going.
You're lucky as a scientist if you get one or two really nice, wonderful things right, a discovery
or something or invention. I'm so proud of it. I'm proud of my work on cancer because of that.
But all the other little things, it's just going this way and that way. When people start listening
to the science, if you want to listen to the science, science doesn't talk. Scientists talk.
There's no such thing as listening to science. When science is really healthy, there's no one view.
It's always going all over the place. Sometimes there might be a temporary consensus. It's not a
formalized consensus. It's just everybody starts agreeing sort of mutually that some idea is right.
But there's so many other people who don't accept that. That's science. That's good,
healthy science. Of course, that died. I saw it die personally in mid-1980s.
I saw the science. Dave, could you just stop your share for the moment while you're not sharing so
that we can see more people and then go back to sharing when you want to share something?
They're just reminding you to do that. I think that's a great idea. Let me go back up here,
get to it. Where is my Zoom thing? Unshare. Just go to stop share. It says,
oh yes, stop share. One participant multiply advance. Where does it say stop? It just says
share. Maybe if I click on it, it's a toggle. Who knows? I don't use a Mac. Who knows where
the stop share is. How do I stop a share? It says share. There it is. Big red sign.
Just stop. Okay. Yeah. Okay. I'll remember that. Okay. Let me go back here. This other
thing reminded me of what I was doing here. I just thought it would be helpful
to give people a little insight, at least from a scientist perspective, as to
when they say talk about science, what does that mean? It means basically there's no such
thing as scientific consensus. It's kind of silly for scientists to even think such a thing. So
anyway, I'm digressing now. All right. But anyway, I wanted to say, going back to my website,
as I said, I've been thinking about this stuff, about how to build a healthy society,
a free society again, since the 1990s. And I wrote a couple of articles, The Pirani of Dogma,
which was on my website, that same place there. And I might try to get it back up there. Share
it one more time on my screen. Share. Get my website up there. Okay. And let me go back to my
homepage right here. And there's The Pirani of Dogma, which you can click on and you can
download it. It's just above the recommended sites and also out of Kilter. And The Pirani of Dogma,
out of Kilter, and then The Breakdown of Nations, those three things. The grand theory is Khor's
book, The Breakdown of Nations. And then my little thing that I put in here, The Pirani of Dogma,
had to do with scientific dogma. What I saw back in the 1980s, I'd mentioned before how science died.
I saw it with my own eyes. I lived it. I experienced it. It died in the 1980s. And out of Kilter was
something I did a little. I think that was, let me see the date on there, 2009, I guess it was.
And then the other one, The Pirani of Dogma, that was, yeah, this is another PDF. It's got the date
on there. Come on, come on, come on. I think it might've been, here it comes, 2015. That was an
invited article in the Journal of Information Ethics. That goes into, I got a lot of references
in there. This covers how science died. I document how science died and the various ways it died.
And so I recommend that to people too. So let me go back to my website here. So here's my website.
It's got lots of stuff up here, my CV, my short bio, CV publications, a lot of stuff on AIDS,
cancer, vaccines, drugs, tests, science in the citizen. That was what I went to in Italy
a number of times. And then that's where these guys asked me to write about an article. And that
was The Pirani of Dogma thing. Liberty and recommended sites and COVID. I mean, there's
lots and lots of stuff on here. About 40 years, as I said. Okay, enough of my website. I'll unshare
it again. Let's stop share. Come back here unless anybody has any questions about that.
Well, Dave, we'll have the questions when you've finished and we'll do that. So we are totally
happy to keep listening to you and then we'll do the questions at the end.
Okay. I'm almost done with my little spiel here that turns out to be longer than a minute to be.
So this is the last little part that I wanted to talk about. It had to do with structuring
viable free societies. And I don't know if any of you have seen these projections,
but I keep following this. It looks like it's pretty solid people. For example,
what's his name? Armstrong, that fellow. I can't remember his first name. And
others that say it looks like that projections are that Europe, parts of Asia, and the United States
will start to break apart sometime around 2030, give or take a few years. That's not too far away.
And I lived in Northern California for about 20 years. And the whole time I was there,
Northern California and Southern California were separate in all but name. I mean, it was such
totally different. I mean, we all knew it in that one state. And that's easy for that state. In fact,
COVID has even divided that state even more. Northern California, I swear, looks very much like,
it reminded me anyway of Vichy France during the Nazi occupation. It was really, really sad.
San Francisco used to be my favorite city in all the world. And I've been around a lot. And my
wife and I, we really love the Bay Area. But we went back January of this year to pick up some of
the stuff she left behind and drive back across the country. I was going to meet Peter Duesburg
while we were there. Didn't have a time to do it. And Robert F. Kennedy Jr. invited me to go for a
hike. He lives in Southern California while I was there. But we just had such a miserable,
impossible time up there in the Bay Area trying to, everything was shut down. The city of Oakland
was shut down. We couldn't get, we were told we didn't need permits to have a truck drop by,
stop by and pick up our stuff to move it out of the Bay Area to North Carolina. We went down there
to the city of Oakland and there it's all locked up. Nobody knows where you can go to get a permit or
do anything. And so we couldn't even get a U-Haul rental truck because they don't have any in North
Carolina and all of California. U-Hauls, these trucks that are easily rented, you can go all
over the country with them. They all left. U-Hauls are only delivered where people go to, come from
and go to. So it was a huge exodus of people leaving California during 2020, 2021, early
part of 2021. And there were no U-Haul trucks left. And we eventually found a truck and were able to
load all our stuff up with a few friends. I mean, everything was shut down. You couldn't go into
restaurants unless you were injected. And of course, we are not, will not take any of those
injections. And the people looked like zombies. And it was totally different from the place that
we left in 2017. It just broke our hearts there. And we just did everything. We had a few friends.
A lot of our friends wouldn't even see us. They were afraid to see us. But we had enough really
long time strong friends to come by. They helped us load up the truck and things. And we basically
got out of Dodge. That's the way we say it here. When you just want to leave a place and just try
to get out of there. And that was January of this year that we did that. It was miserable.
We drove cross country. Southern California was much better, but it was still not nearly as good
as the southeast of the United States. So anyway, that is my little story of my personal things that
I don't normally get to tell because people want me to talk about those highly technical things.
And I just wanted to talk about some things that I wanted to talk about.
So now we can talk about what you want to talk about.
Dave, Dave, wonderful, wonderful, wonderful. Everybody please look at Dave's website. I note
the structure of the layout that might be relevant for all of us. For those of you that have a website,
I was struck by that. There are other websites that do it that way. Contemplate whether that's
good for you. Now, Dave, the tradition that we have here is that Stephen, as the founder of the
group, he asks the first set of questions. Okay. And then others put their hand up. So
I have a number of questions, but I'll leave those to a bit later. Stephen, are you there?
Yeah, I'm here. So for a minute. Yeah. So David, thank you very much.
So you answered the question right at the end there that you live in North Carolina, yes?
I saw NC and I did actually, but I forgot when I was thinking about the questions. And
you said scientific consensus doesn't make sense. Yeah. It's an oxymoron, isn't it?
Yes, it is. Yeah. And California, how are things there? So that was January of this year.
Yes. There were still restrictions in inverted commas in the UK then, and of course, in many
parts of the world. Do we know how California is now or have all the good people left?
Well, I can tell you they have a net loss for the first time, I think, in the history of population
in California. California used to have, I think, about 30 million people, maybe a little bit more,
and it was always growing. And even during COVID, I think it went from being the,
if California was a country, it used to be the sixth economically powerful country, would have
been the sixth leading country in the world economically. I think it moved up to fifth,
fifth during COVID. I couldn't believe it. So you can see it's a huge, economically,
it's a huge, huge place. Technology there, resources, agriculture, I think something like
40 to 60% of the food in the United States comes from California. I think I'm getting that right.
So it's a real pity. I mean, when you think about it, though, these people that are trying to take
over the world, it didn't surprise me that California and New York, especially Manhattan,
New York City, were two of the really hardest hit by the mandates and things. And California is
still absolutely totally nuts in terms of the governor there. And we had that nutty governor
in New York and some other places. Those are the two richest states in the country.
And two of the big states, the big things that people around the world, they may not know much
about the United States, but they've heard of California, Hollywood, and all that Los Angeles,
and they've heard of New York, you know, and there's a reason. I mean, they're very big,
very extremely wealthy, all of those banks and everything and are located up in New York. And
so it was not a surprise to me at all that the real power was put on to try to
dominate and control California and New York early on and leave the other little states not so,
don't put as much pressure on them. They were owned by the powers that be
for a long, long time. And so I was not surprised that the power that was exerted
against the people of those two states. The thing that really broke my heart
was how easily the people in Northern California went along with it, except for the ones that left,
that took the U-Haul trucks out of there. And they're not all that way, but I swear,
my wife, she has, she lived in California longer than I have, about three decades there, and she
has a lot of really, used to have a lot of really strong close friends there. And I would say more
than half of them, maybe two thirds or so of the ones won't even hardly talk to her anymore.
Don't want to have anything to do with her anymore. And that just breaks your heart.
And so what's wrong with them, David? Have they lost their humanity? Is it an excess or a surface
of political correctness? Yeah. It's led to no conversations about anything. So they actually
have forgotten what views they used to have. That's basically it. I can't explain it completely.
I moved to California in 1980. That's right. I moved to San Francisco Bay Area right then.
And they used to have the free speech movement things during Vietnam and during the 60s.
All these things that as I was a young guy, a teenager in those days, and I thought, and I lived
in Georgia, I was all for all that kind of stuff. Against Vietnam, free speech and everything.
Now the only free speech thing left back in the Bay Area is a little restaurant on the campus where
they have on the wall, the art of the free speech era back in the 60s. But they don't exercise free
speech there anymore. It's gone. I saw it disappear like I say back in the 80s.
In Berkeley, also University of California, San Francisco, those pressures were always there.
And when I first came across the thing of political correctness, that really disturbed me.
But I didn't know how pervasive it was. I just thought it was a temporary thing. People just
trying to be morally do the right thing. After all the stuff that was going on in the South
with the segregation that I lived in 50s and 60s back in the United States and Georgia and all that,
those horrors, you needed to acknowledge it and deal with people differently than you did before
in a better way. And I just assumed that this political correctness was sort of like
a temporary thing where we try to acknowledge the ills, the things that were bad before.
And it would be a temporary thing. I thought it was basically like saying, I apologize,
I'm sorry for what you had to go through, that sort of thing. I had no idea that it was entrenched
at the academic level all the way up to the highest levels of these universities, the professors,
the funding that they got. I mean, the political correctness went all the way up to the grant
proposals that you had to write. And it wasn't just, oh, about the straights and gays and
racism and all that. No, it had to do with politically important things like AIDS and cancer
and how you approached it, whether or not and how you wrote a grant proposal, whether or not you had
a chance of getting it approved. And if you read my article, Tyranny of Dogma, you'll go in there
and give specific examples of how that happens to this day. So David, it seems to me that they've
criminalized by the back door having an opinion. So the result is, amazingly to me, and to you,
probably, and to Charles, and a lot of people on this call, that people don't dare to have opinions
or they have opinions which they never voice. So they never articulate what they think. So they
never have any practice about what they think, because there's no challenge to what they think.
And of course, in a vacuum, they don't think anything. And I've realized that they haven't
got any thoughts in their head. I'm not criticizing. I'm just saying what we're facing. So I just wonder
whether if we have to identify what the real cancer is, what do you think it is at the moment? It
doesn't matter if you're right or you don't have to scientifically prove it. You know, it's fluid. I
mean, I'm learning things so fast. I've never learned so quickly, so many things, diverse things
in the past three years, ever before in my life. Not me either. Not me either. It's incredible.
It is incredible. And I mean, it's a thing to behold. I don't know all this stuff. It's just
feelings and things. Sure, but that's important. I think fear is one thing that I have learned,
and I think it's true. If you scare people enough, their mind does not function properly.
No, it doesn't. So I think these people are basically scared. They were scared earlier
because they didn't show it outwardly. They were scared back in the 80s and 90s by how they
wrote their grant proposal. But they weren't openly terrified physically, but they were scared
enough how they would lie in their grant proposals, and about what they wouldn't do.
They were scared to challenge this. They were scared to associate with Peter Duesburg. That fear
was there. But now the fear is much more acute. That was kind of a chronic, low-grade fear.
All right. Now the fear is acute. And I think people's minds are not functioning. They're
functioning worse than they did back in the 90s, back in the 80s and 90s.
So David, do you think the fear is fear of the virus in this nonsense of the fraud pandemic?
No.
Or is it fear of something terrible? Are they being psychologically tortured by their
governments? And they've realized that. Is that why they're afraid? Food prices going up,
energy prices going up?
I think it's all of the above. I think it's like war. I was in Vietnam. I got drafted with Vietnam.
I wasn't a hero or anything like that. I was a stock control and supply specialist. I had a
college background, so I thought I could read, write and count. It saved my life,
having the college education because I didn't have to carry. I mean, I was a permanent guard,
but anyway, I didn't see all that crap that my brother did and other people did. But I got scared
a couple of times there. It was an acute type of fear. And until you've experienced an acute type
of fear, you really don't know what fear is. So imagine when you have chronic fear,
there's no way out. Every day you're told that things can't change. I mean,
I tell people, when Northern California reminded me that, I've already said it might be redundant,
of Vichy France during the Nazi occupation, that people were just chronically scared and
they were behaving like zombies. Yeah. And also, but just think of it. So they're being psychologically
tortured by their own government, which is surprising and fear inducing, but they can't
talk to their neighbors because they don't want to say anything that is viewed a little bit
eccentric, you know. So not the official line. So they know that, for example, going for these
injections was wrong, submitting to it without informed consent. But they do it anyway. And
they can't talk to anybody about their fears. It's just awful what's happened.
I don't even think they can talk to each other, people that believe the same stuff. I don't think
they can talk honestly and openly with each other or themselves. I don't even think they have honest
thoughts. Yeah. And it's all about the political correctness that's been put in their head. And
they've been told to despise themselves. Like Jordan Peterson said, they're taught to despise
themselves, young men, you know. And of course, what happens if you despise yourself? You have
got nothing to give to your fellow human beings. So I know. Well, okay. So I don't know really how
to answer your question. But I tell you what I do on a practical basis. I don't know if you've seen
the Star Trek episode where they have the Borg, where these human, semi part human part robot
creatures walk around and they basically ignore you. And so I just started when I see these people
that wear masks and stuff like that, I feel like, well, they're the Borg. Just ignore them. There's
nothing I can do for them. There's no conversation I can have with them. And it would take too much
energy. And I'm not clever enough anyway. And I haven't met anybody around who knows how to talk
to what I call the Borg, those poor people. You know, I feel sorry for them. So what I do,
I look for warriors. And that's what I've been doing since I got started in this battle February
of 2020, was look for warriors. That's what the people on this Zoom meeting, warriors,
people here in North Carolina, what are called the Guilford Patriots. I've been working with those
folks for a little over a year and a half, I guess. And I've worked with lawyers on four continents,
Australia, the United States, Europe, in Germany, and also Belgium, and also South Africa. I got a
case and been working actively most recently in South Africa. So that's the kind of thing,
all these other people like Robert F. Kennedy Jr., you know, since Peter Duesberg wasn't able
to help him with his book, The Real Anthony Fauci, he asked me if I could look over his book and
check the references and answer some of the questions because I either knew it firsthand,
or I had access to the information. You know, there was God, I don't know how many people
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. had working on that book, but it was an army of people. And these are all
warriors, you know. And so that's where I put my energy, is to associate with, help and support
all the warriors. And you don't even have to be active, all you have to do is be somebody who
wants to know what's going on. I consider that a warrior. If you can think for yourself and ask
questions, you're a warrior, you know. And you and I can have a good time together.
Exactly. I'll have to have a drink one day. Yeah. So I mean that you've got a great beard,
you look really wise, you know, like Russell or something.
My wife cut my hair and my beard for this meeting.
Yeah, but oh, did she? All right. Very good. Well, she did it very well.
Thank you.
I wanted to ask you, so you're a great human being, David. I can tell listening, and I'm sure
everybody else can as well, that you're truthful to a fault. But you're also a warrior, that's good,
you want the truth.
And we have to-
You know, I'm happy just being a human being. That's enough for me.
Yeah, but it comes over even on a Zoom call, created by the Chinese, I believe.
I wanted to ask you, David, 2009 swine flu pandemic, what do you know about that?
And what do you know about the 2006 bird flu pandemic?
And what do you know about the swine flu pandemic of 1976?
If you don't know anything, that's fine.
No, no, they're all bogus as they could be. In fact, I mean, with the AIDS stuff, you know,
I started with that one. Then there's the AIDS, and then there was the first SARS,
there's the Zika, there's Ebola, there was, you know, the swine flu, I forget now, although,
I mean, all over the years, over the years, there was this one, and that one, and that one,
the only one that took a little bit was AIDS, the HIV nonsense, because it was focal, it was mostly
the gay men. I lived in San Francisco, I moved there in 1980, right when the AIDS stuff started,
even before it had a name. And it was a weird thing. I mean, those, I learned a lot from those
gay men. They were, that, and it was an interesting phenomenon, because how they, they, more, not,
there were warriors among those guys that totally rejected and fought against the AIDS scam,
that knew it and fought with them. And I knew a lot of those guys. And then the other ones that
just sort of bought into it was pretty much like what we're talking about right now. The zombies,
the board, the other people, a lot of the gay guys. And I saw this in South Africa,
that treatment action campaign, TAC, that was sort of like a club or a religion,
where these people shared the same thoughts and tragedy, you know, whether it's intellectual or
physical or whatever it was. It was like a club. It was a cult. I'm sorry? A cult. A cult. That's
the better word for it. Just like now, the COVID cult, I call it. Yeah, it's like a cult. And I
think that's the same thing that is going on with my neighbors here, some of the neighbors and the
other people that still wear masks and stuff like that. And the scientists, I think the scientists
and the academics and the physicians, you know, I mean, it's a horror stories about the physicians
that aren't doing their job. You know, they're just following along, just like the professors,
follow along, you know, and tell lies and keep it, keep doing it, and aren't working for their
patients. I'm not talking about the ones that are real, really doctors are really doing their job.
I'm talking about all the ones that are still staying in these hospitals, you know, that are
killing people. And it's, I guess it's cult is probably as good a characterization of what's
going on. Now that's a word. All right. But how do we explain it? They're prepared to sacrifice
their children now, these people. So that is a cult. That's what happens with cults. They sacrifice
their children, apparently. The reason I mentioned the 2009 swine flu pandemic was because we have
evidence that via the Council of Europe, the European Union, if you look, you can do a search
on the, on Google or whatever, whatever search engine, and you'll see that the swine flu, so
it was referred to by the Council of Europe investigation, the report on that investigation
as the swine flu pandemic fraud conducted by the WHO and by governments around the world, exactly
what's going on now. So can you think of a good reason why that hasn't been highlighted by
the people on our side? Because I've been saying about it, but nobody seems to pick it up.
Well, it's like the AIDS thing. I didn't finish my little characterization with the AIDS thing.
The reason it didn't really catch, except it was like the cult thing that we've talked about and
agreed on with these gay guys, it just stayed with it, and just couldn't get out of it. It didn't
spread. After enough time, heterosexuals, the vast majority of people, it wasn't affecting their
lives, them or anybody they knew. And so basically it didn't catch fire, like the COVID thing caught
fire. But I think, I don't even know if they really wanted to be global at the time, the HIV stuff.
I think they were astounded. Yeah, David, I was reminding myself last night, looking at the stuff
you can search on the internet about the swine flu pandemic fraud conducted by the WHO and other
organizations and governments, exactly what's going on now. Yeah, I know. Yeah, that's been
known for a long time, actually, just not the public at large didn't know it. But that's true
with all those things. The first SARS, the MERS, the Zika, the Ebola, these were all phony
things that were basically started by the United States. It has to do with the NIH and the Centers
for Disease Control in the United States. The United States is basically behind all that stuff.
And I mean, I can't even name all of these are just a few. I mean, those are the bigger ones.
And they're all they're all that's the same game plan. Yes, exactly. They're all phony.
I need to open the door. Two seconds. All right. Okay.
You need to open the door. There you are. How about that?
Everyone that's that's Dave, that's very relevant for us, because I remember there were people who
refused to go to to Rio for the 2016 Olympics because of the fear of Zika. Yeah, Zika was
absolutely zero. Correct. They absolutely sold out their years and years and years of training.
And for this illusion. Yeah. So this question of people, you know, being scared to speak up,
there is this question. If I speak up, I'm going to lose my job. On the other hand, on this group,
you know, there is there is this the what the Warriors do is if I lose my job, Bobby Kennedy
said to us all that when he addressed this group in December, Dave, and you've heard many people
say it, and you've probably say it yourself. On what hill are you willing to die? Yeah, yeah,
that's right. I will not I personally and I told my wife this from from the very beginning.
I will not accept or comply with anything they tell me to do. Nothing. I will die first. My wife
does not like me to say that. But I have to say it. Because that's what I know in my heart. And
I can't keep that from her. You know, I will. The only thing I will do, I will do whatever it
takes to protect her and my friends, you know, but I will not ever comply with anything. But if
somebody they held a gun to my wife's head and said, wear a mask, I'd wear the damn mask,
because my wife is more important to me than that. But that's the that's what it would take
for me to comply. Yes. And this the classic communist strategy, and I'm acutely conscious
of this, because my parents were refugees from communism from Hungary, they came to Australia
in 1949. And families that have escaped from communism, they understand this, that that's the
communist strategy to have people scared of speaking up. And so it divides people,
the relationships, the conversation stop, because you don't know who it's safe to speak to. And
therefore, this group knows that you have to speak now in terms of family, my 40 year old personal
form of personal assistant died last Tuesday, four children aged 20 down to 11. Beautiful girl.
Turbo cancer. Oh, nothing to do with the jabs. Nothing to do with jabs. And you know, part of
the great challenge is do we say to people who've lost family members, clearly the jab, you know,
and then we've got this balance of respect, speaking up versus ending ending relationships.
And there's no black and white answer for this dilemma that we're all in.
No, there's not. There's not. And Terry and I, my wife, we all we regularly talk about the situation,
you know, I say, depends on the person. It's a case by case situation, individual by individual,
whether or not I feel like I should bring up. There's so many things. We've had a couple of
deaths here in my neighborhood. A stroke, one woman had a couple of strokes, a lot of sick people.
Now, I don't ask them, you know, I don't say, well, were you injected or anything? I won't do that.
It's none of my business, you know, to do that. But I know them well. But other people tell me
that they were the other friends. I don't even ask them. I don't. It's none of my business. They just
tell me, you know, they said, well, yeah, they were injected and stuff like that.
I along these lines, when we first moved here in 2017,
you know, I might have heard a siren, one or two sirens a month, you know, like a fire truck or
ambulance or something like that. Over the past year and a half, they're there every day,
typically four to seven a day. I've heard as many as nine in one day, two days, I heard eight,
only one day that I not hear a single siren in the past year and a half.
And I'm trying not to count them. They still go there and I hear them and I said,
Dave, don't count them. Don't count them. Everybody, that is a very useful relevant
statistic in this question of excess deaths. And Steve Kersh, his newsletter today quoted
a scene Mel Hotra and then Neil Oliver, who then had that Carl Sagan quote,
is death, death, deathly silence on these excess deaths. And Dave, that's a beautiful test, isn't
it? The number of ambulance sirens. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's, that's especially the contrast,
the before and the after. Yes, I call it BC before COVID. All right, let's get on to some other
questions while Stephen's off answering the door. Rima and then Kelly. Rima is, is, is our wonderful
global troublemaker. Rima. I do the best I can. First of all, David, let me say it's a real pleasure
to see you in the Zoom flesh. I have quoted and cited a number of your pieces, which I think are
enormously important, clear and actual science, really, truly science. It's very exciting and rare.
Thank you very much for that. I, I'm, you may not know, I'm the medical director of the Natural
Solutions Foundation, and we operate globally to make as much trouble as we can. I agree strongly
with your notion about the importance of decentralized social, legal, agricultural, economic,
etc. medical units, except for one thing. Unless we get our countries out of WHO and the United
Nations, everything you're talking about, every opportunity to experiment, to globalize, to,
to de-globalize, to localize, everything that we want to do is illegal and will be literally a crime.
The, the genocidal program known as Agenda 2030, Agenda 23, Agenda 21, Agenda pick your number,
makes any such innovative or regionalized or locally created effort a crime against the state.
It's very clear. And so in order to have the freedom to do what you're saying should be done,
with which I agree, it is essential to get rid of the overwhelming control mechanism of the
control mechanism, the juggernaut that is coming towards us across the field of devastation that
it's creating economically and agriculturally and in terms of healthcare. Consequently,
what our foundation, our organization is focusing on at this point is one thing and one thing alone,
and that is getting us all out of this massive structure before, before the international
health regulations are amended as the G20 wrote a day, leaders, God help us, those are our leaders,
wrote a declaration saying they, they endorse these secret negotiations will literally destroy
any shred of national autonomy, regional autonomy or personal autonomy. It's that important.
From my point of view, there's no other more important issue. So at the beginning of this
discussion, I put up some resources at preventgenocide2030.org, which are available
for anybody who wants to join the battle in any way they want to join it. But if we don't focus
on that, we don't have the opportunity to go forward and experiment with any damn thing.
So I just want to put that out to you, David, for your response.
Well, I agree that should be resisted with all the power and effort and the energy
that we can muster. But if it comes, if it happens, I'm not going to give into it.
I don't care what they'll kill you, David. If it's, that's well, all right.
They'll kill you, they'll kill me.
They're trying to do that already.
They sure are.
I will die before I give into that. I mean, it's that simple. And if I'm the only one,
if I'm the only one willing to die to be free, then there's no justification for people to try
to be free. You know, it's that simple.
Well, I have two responses to that. The second, the first is, well, there'll be at least two of
us dead. But there'll be a lot of us dead. And the other thing is, I would really love it if I could
invite you to appear on my podcast, the Tuesday following this one, because I think we need to
share this information and passion and informed passion with people.
That'd be the 20th you're talking about? The 20th?
Yes. Well, whatever the, a week from this coming Tuesday, I haven't looked at the calendar.
Oh, a week from this coming Tuesday, that'd be the 27th.
Yeah.
That'd be the 27th. Yeah, I could do that. Send me an email or something.
Great. Do I have, did you put it on my website?
It's on his website.
Yeah.
Okay.
I can give it to you here too.
Good. Please do.
D as in Delta, my first name, D R-A-S-N-I-C-K, D Rastnik, at M-E, the letters M-E dot com.
Great. I will, I will reach out to you and we'll finalize that.
I do my best to not say no.
Very good.
Thank you.
Rima, can you please put your, repost your links to your website as well as you?
I'm looking for it again. If I don't see it, I'll put it up again. Yes, absolutely.
Thank you. Great. Okay. Kelly.
Dr. Rastnik, thank you for taking my call. I had a question. In the time of HIV,
we were on the verge of compulsory testing for people to be admitted to hospitals.
And in addition, a lot of marginalized communities, anyone that was in foster care
or dependent on social services was subjected to testing and coercive procedures. So I've,
I've always looked at HIV as maybe the test run for what we're seeing now,
just launched a larger level. And I was wondering if you agree,
and if you could speak to that. Thank you.
That's it. Where are you located, Kelly?
I'm in Baltimore, Maryland.
Okay. Well, that was a quick one. I agree with you completely. In fact, I said that I think
the infrastructure that controls the world today was put into place back in the,
the AIDS scare of the eighties and nineties is all there with Anthony Fauci. Fauci started
in November of 1984. And he started all this insanity. I mean, he wasn't alone by any means.
He was just the public face of this thing. And there are a lot of powerful people that are
behind him. The, our federal government, the Department of Defense was behind it. The CIA
was behind all this crap. The United States is one of the biggest villains in the world right now,
probably has been for a long, long time. I mean, we just have to face it, just have,
I'm American, have to own up to it, you know? And so
I'm short and sweet. David on Kelly's point, that's where that was because, because the AIDS
question, as Bobby Kennedy told us, he spent, his book was 200 pages on the AIDS,
HIV AIDS game. And you clearly played a big part in that.
Yeah, I helped him with that. And Celia Farber, my dear friend journalist, she's one of the best
journalists around. It's been covering AIDS stuff since I think 87, 85 at Spend Magazine. And she's
really paid the personal price for being an outspoken, honest writer who's published a lot.
She's lost lots of opportunities, really paid the price. All of us have, you know? I, Peter,
because he's never had a grant proposal since 1987 or something like that, that was granted. And he
never had one turned down before he started speaking out against HIV. He hasn't had one
since then. And he was a member of the National Academy of Sciences. He would have gotten the
Nobel Prize that he kept his mouth shut, you know? And I mean, all of us, every one of us who
were in the AIDS war, battling on the right side, as far as I can think of it, you know,
at least we were, yeah, we were sacrificing ourselves. I didn't think of it then,
you know, and I still don't think of it as sacrifice. We're warriors fighting a battle,
you win or you lose or whatever, but you do the right thing. And, you know, I mean,
too many good things came of it for me personally. Like I said, it's the wonderful people that you
get to meet and interact with. I never would have met Peter Duesberg. And he and I worked for about
10 years on the chromosomal imbalance theory of cancer, the most important work I've ever done
as a scientist. I would have never, had it not been for AIDS that put me in contact with Peter
Duesberg, I would have never done the most important work of my scientific life. I mean,
in that weird, and that's, I've mentioned earlier, just reiterate, this weird, horrible time
presents so many opportunities, opportunities to learn about things that you never even
thought you needed to know, or that was even knowable, you know, and look forward. That's
why I kind of wanted to start this thing by at least talking or initiating discussions
about the world that we want to construct, the bill to build, the societies, the free,
independent society. And I like to start hearing more and more people bringing that up, because
all we hear now, I mean, everything is about, oh, how many dead people this week? How many
a heart problem? So on and so forth. The economics, the collapses that are coming, what's gold going
to do? You know, and are that, you know, the what's going on with the farms? And like, I tell you,
the Dutch, those Dutch people, those farmers there, I'm really pulling for them. I hope they resist.
They want to try to, what's it 3000 farms or something they want to close their,
That's correct. That's correct. 3000.
I'm really God, if I was in Holland, I'd be with those guys on their side, you know, fighting in
those Canadian truck drivers, you know, that were fighting. Those are warriors. Those are
we're all warriors in our own way. And I'm with all those people. If they can't be there physically,
I'm with them spiritually, you know. And so when I said that, you know, whatever the WHO,
whatever they decide, those criminals, whatever they decide, I frankly don't give a damn.
If they can't pull off the things that they're trying to do, great. But I'm still battling the
bastards, you know, and, and going to keep going the way I want to. What I want to do has nothing
to do with what they're doing. That's what we have to start thinking about. We have to start
doing what we want to do, regardless of the bastards, you know, so don't-
Beautifully said. And Buckminster Fuller, I remind you, everybody said,
if you don't like the system, don't tear the system down, build a new system, which is,
which Dave is what you're saying. That's why. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Kelly.
Over to Albert, the VAERS, our VAERS resident VAERS expert, Dave.
Oh, okay. Oh, yes. I know this gentleman. He's a good one too.
Hi, Dave. How you doing? Thank you. God bless you. And God's continued hedge of protection over you
and your family. So you were saying, North Carolina, and I keep thinking about, you know,
like Dr. David Martin and how he was talking about North Carolina Chapel Hills University
and the gain of function. There's got to be some scoundrels running around there that know what
they did hiding out over there. Oh, yeah. I mean, like I say, that's right up there,
was it Chapel Hill, I think, which is right near Raleigh, right near all of those
Triangle Research Park and all those pharmaceutical companies. Yeah. I mean,
and with that being said, so I worked at a lab for
over 10 years here in the South Bay called Hunter Laboratories, and we did a lot of work with
Boston Heart Lab. I don't know if you've ever worked, had anything to do with, I mean,
Boston Heart Lab and Berkeley Heart Lab. I don't know if you ever did anything
with those guys. What do they do? What do they do? They just ran blood tests for
now. No, the kind of stuff I did was like pharmaceutical stuff. I designed
inhibitors for enzymes for tissue destroying diseases, and also I had a couple of little
companies where we provided had catalogs of reagents for other people, research, and mostly,
most all of it was for researchers, but some of it was collaboration with Marion Merrell Dow,
I think, yeah, Marion Merrell Dow, Marion Labs with a spinoff of one of my companies for
arthritis. One of our things was for drugs. So that's the kind of labs that I dealt with.
Right on. Well, you know, I just throw another little minor conspiracy into the pot there, but
you know, one of the largest labs in America is called LabCorp. You're probably familiar with
that name. Oh, I know LabCorp, yes. And Quest Labs. Those are diagnostic labs.
So for at least this half of the United States, LabCorp, you have to send all the blood goes to
San Diego. I don't know if people really knew that, you know, who cares where it goes, but
though it goes to San Diego, but that happens to be where, you know, at least the town where the
Salk Institute is at, right in San Diego. And I always thought, I always thought, man, is that,
is that a coincidence? Because I'm sure Salk Institute needs a lot of blood to do whatever
they're doing over there. Did they do the analysis only in San Diego? Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, they would process all the blood. All the assembly line of test tubes are all there
in San Diego. And that's why these doctors in California, at least here, always hated LabCorp
because it took forever to get the lab results. And they'd have to like redraw the patients a
lot because for some reason, you know, the blood would spoil or couldn't wouldn't get there in time
or, you know, something happened in the, in the, in taking it to San Diego that they'd get a call
from LabCorp and say, no, no, we couldn't process it. You got to redraw. So, you know, all these
California docs would say, give me any other lab than LabCorp. So that's where my laboratory Hunter
found its niche. But Chris Rydell, my old boss, I put the, an image in the chat right now,
but he became one of the biggest whistleblowers in the United States in 2011. Against, you know,
kind of like what Brooke Jackson is doing as a whistleblower. But when Brooke Jackson wins,
she's going to dethrone my old boss, Chris Rydell. You know, his, his settlement was like $243 million.
But the bigger, the bigger part of that, that nobody knows about was that for a whole year,
Medicare and Medicaid as the, as like a penalty for LabCorp and Quest and all those people,
for a whole year, anything that LabCorp received from Medicare or Medicaid was like free. They
couldn't charge Medicare or Medicaid for a whole year. And that, that would have been way more than
$243 million. That's what the government got out of it, I think. But anyways, I digress. Just thank
you for having me on your recommended sites. I got you on my website and God bless you. I, I always
liked your, your style because you're so humble and you speak, you speak, you're just so cool.
You know, you appreciate that. But I mean, what can I do?
Just keep being yourself, Dave. Thank you. What you see is what you get.
Right on. Thank you, Dave. Thank you. Thank you, Albert. Simon Dorff. Dave is our patent expert.
So if you want to see any links between patents, Simon's your man.
Thank you, Charles. Yeah, actually, mainly looking at patents to see or uncover the creative
thought and science and in the past, we used that a lot also to have a look at how to solve problems
in the medical area with a cross domain knowledge. I was going from one domain to the other.
A lot not happy to say for Pfizer and Janssen's at the time. Just wanted to go back to your
point on the ambulance calls. I had a quick look and I found that there is a
signal there of the waiting times in NHS.
In HS, what's HS? NHS. NHS, Dave.
There's something going on with Zoom.
Oh, Simon, it's your microphone.
Okay, waiting times. You can see.
That's a nice one. The NHS shows that peak basically from 18, 19, 20, 21 as a signal.
But my question now is a bit about fear. When I was in Russia in 1992, I think it was
very high fear and at the same time, being a bartender there, it was also very intense,
the life and you were very connected. The more fear there was, the more intensity you had basically
in feeling alive, which is quite a crazy thing. That sounds like war. That's like when I was in
Vietnam. I think just after Perestroika there was a bit of a mafia time. But at the same time,
the fear kind of asks us to get more security and before we know that high security actually slips
us in this minimum freedom system, which is a bit of a conflict. I also see when you talk about this
extreme wealth, that there is a kind of correlation between the very wealthy and the very poor.
It's not just straw roofs and making their own jam. It's mainly they have the time to think
and to do the things on their selves. It seems like the group in the middle doesn't really have
time for anything and follows the narrative. But when you have a lot of wealth or no wealth at all,
you seem to have a lot of time to think creatively. It's a bit like this SSD mode of
invention there. That's interesting. My question there is that if you look at
creative thinking or worrying, it's like the same thing but opposite. With worrying, you imagine,
you share imagination of things that can go wrong. With creative thinking, you share imagination of
things that go right. My question is there, is there an opportunity there? Because if we look at
this blessing, this guys, if we have this imagination now being promoted in the worst part,
can we flip that around? Can we get people to actually start to create what you say the new
world using this fear as a fuel to wake up? Because a lot of people say that the whole
COVID lockdown has actually brought people to think about life more. Could we switch that or
flip that around and use this whole situation basically to our benefit? I think so. I think I
really do. And I think that's sort of what I'm advocating. Let me say something real quick
before I forget it. I wanted to say something I learned when I was in Vietnam about the fear
thing. I wasn't afraid there often, just two or three times that I can remember the specifics.
But the way, the thing, this might be true with all wars, I don't know. The thing about it is that
once you accept the fact that you could die, once you accept the fact that you could die,
it's amazing how easy it is at that point on. The fear seems to have gone. It's like,
I could die today and stuff like that. There's nothing I can do about it. So just accept it.
Now, I don't know if everybody can do that. I did. And I think a lot of the guys that I knew there,
the way I watched how they behaved and everything, I think they might have too.
So I think the key is like right now, like when I said, I'm not afraid of this stuff. If the WHO
calls the thing that I know, I'm not going to do what they tell me. If it kills me, I'm not going
to do what they tell me. And I have accepted the fact that I might have to pay that price.
And once you have come to terms with that, it doesn't mean that you're not going to be
afraid or anything like that. Although I don't feel afraid right now, that's for sure. I feel angry.
You know, I don't want to do something about it. But that's what I try to help people with is,
you know, acknowledge it, acknowledge the worst that could happen and see if you can just accept
it. And maybe the fear is toned down somewhat. If you're constantly, I mean, I see a lot of these
people, the ones that I call the Borg, you know, the ones that still wear a mask and are really
afraid. They're constantly afraid, so obviously afraid. They're going to wear themselves out,
you know. They use so much energy just being fearful. And the thing to do is to say,
it's just relax. You know, the only way that I guess, like I said, when I was in Vietnam,
the way to relax is, okay, I could die. All right, and not worry about it anymore. Now,
I know it sounds easy and simple, but that's the way it worked for me.
Thank you. So Dave beautifully said, and it's a lovely segue, because I'm about to
hand over the moderation to Simon. I've got a three-way global call with some people in Hungary
that I need to set up. Simon is now going to moderate. And what you just shared, Dave,
is of course from the lyrics of The Rose. And as soon as you, you know, the only people who
forget how to live are those who are afraid of dying. So once you lose the fear of death,
Carlos Custanedas also wrote about that. Lose the fear of death and you truly live.
Well, I can see that. I can see that. Yeah.
Yeah. So over to, so Steven, I've got to go to this meeting. I might be back before the end,
but Simon is going to moderate. He's been geared up for it. Simon is a co-host. Steven's a co-host.
So Dave, it's wonderful to be with you and everybody else. Keep it going. Keep the chat
going. Simon, you're now in charge. Thank you, Charles. Thank you, Dave.
Yes, Jack, please.
Uh, first of all, I too, I'm a refugee from California. And I grew up in San Diego,
which also happens to be the hometown of the Scripps Institute, as well as the Salk Institute.
And the Scripps Institute has been very heavily involved in bioweapons research.
And we're provided a lot of the cover story for this thing. When it first came out, they
published quite a few phony articles supporting the natural origin theory and so forth. So anyway,
so I'm not proud of my hometown. Okay. Yeah. I wanted to comment on a couple of things and
all kind of thread together toward the same end that you've been talking about, David.
So the next thing I want to just talk about was science.
Science. And it's very interesting. Science is one of the three basic areas of human creativity
that were identified by Arthur Kessler in his brilliant treatise book, The Act of Creation.
He identified science, art, and humor as the three great areas of human creativity.
And I happened to have done my doctoral dissertation on humor. So did you really? Yeah.
Makes me laugh. Yeah, I'm a psychologist. And I'm a psychologist as more of kind of
an political scientist, because that's what the time requires, but it requires both.
So I am very much in accordance with your advocacy of small political units. It's obviously the way
we have to go. We have to go in exactly the opposite direction that the World Economic Forum
and Bill Gates, et cetera, want us to go. And we don't have to simply identify all this from
scratch. There are lots of very interesting examples of political units that have actually
grown up quite independently. And let me name off a few that people might want to look up.
Of course, everybody's heard of the Zapatistas, and they have managed to hold off the federales
in Chiapas province of Mexico for I don't know how long, 20, 30 years something.
And so Comandante Marcos, who is the informal, and because he really is not a believer in
authority of any kind, but he there's a very interesting book you can buy of all his sayings,
all his wisdom, which I think probably compares with Mark Twain or Thomas Jefferson.
But that's an example. They've held off the federal government of Mexico. They've held off the troops
literally often. And the government's finally given up on them. But they're an autonomous
community within Mexico. There's another one that I think is very interesting called
Gaviota, which is an autonomous community. It's been around, I think, about 30 years now,
years now, experimental community in Eastern Colombia. And they've done some very innovative
things. And it shows the kind of creativity that can be brought to bear when you create
your own community as a small group. And another one is in Spain, Marina Leda, which is an Andalusian
section of Spain. They've also been an autonomous community for a long time. The government leaves
them alone. And they're known as a little communist, little communist city down there.
And they again have done some very inventive things. So and even at the national level,
you have Uruguay, which I think is a very interesting example. They formed something
clear back after Operation Condor is pretty much over. And they were all let out of jail.
They've been in jail. They were the Tupumoros guerrilla group who were let out of jail finally
after 15 years. And they formed in a coalition government called La Fronte Amplio, the broad
front. And there was something like a dozen different political parties, joint forces,
which we could certainly do here, all around, basically, majoritarian positions.
And they actually took control for 15 years of the federal government and an electoral system.
That displaced the two parties that had ruled Uruguay for 100 years, just like our two parties.
They became a powerful third party. And they reigned all the way from communists to fiscal
conservatives, who could all unite around a majoritarian theme. So that's a very interesting
model to study. Then we have Libya before Gaddafi was murdered, sadistically murdered.
And his very interesting and very progressive, very successful socialist nation was destroyed.
It had incredible public benefits and had a very almost virtually no federal government.
They had a system of public assemblies at the local level, regional level and national level.
They made virtually all the political decisions. In fact, Gaddafi once proposed to do away
with the federal government entirely. And the assembly wouldn't let him do it. So you just stay
in place and take care of business. And a very interesting model that had to be destroyed.
And it's remained almost completely invisible and grotesquely propagandized by the American
government, deep state, etc. The whole goddamn cabal. So Libya, very interesting. It's hard to
find out very much about it. There were two people who really understood this at the time. One was
Cynthia McKinney and the other was Alan Brown. Oh, and of course, Francis Boyle, the international
attorney who actually defended Gaddafi successfully in the International Court of Justice to fend off
a pending, a looming American attack on them clear back in the 90s. And at the last minute,
he got into the International Court of Justice and he stopped it. So anyway, these three people
really know Libya and what Gaddafi really was. He was a political genius and what he actually
achieved there. The other interesting- Just a moment. You sound extremely well informed.
Have you written anything about this at all? Consolidated it or anything?
Well, I'm a retired psychologist and I'm working on a book right now because this COVID thing has
finally inspired me to finally put a lot of stuff together. And the whole obvious issue of basically
collective trance state, which we've all seen. We've seen people walking around in trance and
they respond to you with about three words and that's all they've got. And they're
carefully programmed into their disabled brain functioning. It really is literally disabled.
That's what a trance state is. It's a state of disabled brain functioning, cognitive functioning.
And that's the other thing I wanted to bring up. The idea that we are actually being terrorized.
This COVID thing has been a terror campaign, a domestic terror campaign,
and it is absolutely nothing new. And I find this-
That's true. That's absolutely true.
Yeah. And I find this really, I think, important to wake people up to recognize them. You and I
are old guys with white beards and everything. Okay. Because I was also a Vietnam era veteran.
And there's very interesting books have been written about what war does to people
psychologically. It's an attack on the identity of human beings. It transforms identity. If you ever
kill another human being, especially a stranger, he wasn't breaking into your house, never did a
damn thing to you or anyone in your family and you kill him. That is with you and it transforms
your identity. It's not a stress disorder. Very important psychologist, V.S. psychologist,
Edward Take wrote a very important book about this. I believe in that. I didn't have to do
anything like that. Thank God. Yeah. Right. My brother did. But yeah.
That's true. And it screwed him up for 10, 15 years, but he made a life.
At least. At least. Yeah. And the most healing thing I've seen veterans do is go back to Vietnam
and Vietnamese say, why don't you come back so that we can forgive you?
And this is the one veteran. Yeah. One veteran I knew we used to go around to the schools trying to
keep kids in high school and college from signing up for Iraq and Afghanistan.
And we had a bunch of veterans went around speaking to them. And one veteran I went with
us, he said he had been through all this therapy for years and years and years and nothing ever
healed him until he went back to Vietnam and met the Vietnamese veterans of what they call the
American War. Yeah. Well, it was. And they told him it wasn't your fault. You were sent by a
corrupt government to destroy us and you didn't know what you were doing. See, we can say that
to him. I can say that to him. It doesn't matter. It was important. It was absolutely essential that
the Vietnamese people tell him that. Yeah. And Joel had what had had a cancer that he ended up
dying of and he wanted his ashes scattered in Vietnam. So his brother had been there with him.
And so they went back together and they helped to build a school there.
They spent there about a year over there. And Joel died a few years later and he wanted his
ashes scattered in Vietnam. So his brother Chuck took the ashes over there, flew over there,
told the school they were coming. The school wanted his ashes. Breaking up a bit, Chuck.
OK. OK. The school wanted his ashes. And so Chuck arrives at the airport and he was met with a
limousine that took him back up this beautiful valley to the school where there was a huge crowd
gathered there for memorial service. And they had an urn for him that they placed in an honored
place in the school with a view where his spirit could look out over the valley. That's healing.
And that's the way it happens. And that's what we do. Every young man and woman we send over there
to one of our endless wars, serial wars, suffer some kind of damage to their sense of who they
are as a human being. I totally accept that. And so we have to cut that shit out. I totally
agree with that too. And the way to do it, I'm convinced when you look at these little examples
like Daviosas and Marinaleda and the Mondragón, the others, the Mondragon cooperatives in northern
Spain, where they have a whole community full, in Basque Spain they have a whole community full
of companies that follow the same rules, which are basically worker-owned cooperatives
where the collective hires the management, not the other way around, and everybody shares
from the profits. And they have a tight limit on the ratio of salary from the CEO down to the
lowest paid workers, maybe 10 to 1 max. So there are models. And those Mondragon cooperative did
very well in 2008. They didn't crash. They've done very well in international markets through
their manufacturing. We need to look at models from other countries, almost all of which are
better than ours. I totally agree. And the small scale, I think it's not for me to put my ideas
on those folks over there in a totally different part of the country or the world or anything.
I would love for the people right here in North Carolina, close to me, Greensboro and stuff like
I've tried and tried and tried not to do this because it was too premature. But it was to fight
this war that we're in right now. That's what I was trying to do. And I was so disappointed
that basically they all thought that the election was going to make all the difference.
Oh, yeah. Right.
I kept telling them and I felt so sorry for them. They had to go their own way, but they wasted so
much time, energy and effort trying to go that route. And when they asked me about it, I did.
It's like I don't talk to people. I don't ask them whether they've been injected or anything
like that. It's none of my business. And I didn't. But when they asked me about it, they want me to
do it. I said, I have no confidence in it. I'm not going to waste my time on something. And I know
doesn't have a chance and couldn't have a chance. Yeah. And the interesting thing of it was that
when it got closer and closer to the elections, the people that I kept saying that to, they kept
coming to me and they agreed. And before the election, that it was totally wasted effort.
And they've learned that. The only good thing about it is that they've learned what I know.
And I think that's a key to the big con is maintaining the illusion that the conflict
in our society is horizontal rather than vertical.
And when people talk about politics and election and about Republican,
right, we have Democrats and Republicans.
They don't understand all of that is ancient history. That has nothing to do with anything.
Oh, right, right.
It's, they don't understand that all that's finished. It's finished.
We were taught to be fair of communists. And we were taught to be. And then when the Soviet
Union collapsed, then we're then we have terrorism. And anybody could be a terrorist.
The shoe bomber proved that even even white people can be terrorists.
And then when thank you, when that started running out of steam, then we go back to Russia again,
where we are now. And it's been one continuous state of state terrorism.
Ever since World War II.
I think they're trying to bring in another question, I think.
Thank you, Jack. Thank you for your points.
Yeah, sure.
Talking. Let's go to you were talking about Russia. Here is Tessa Lena. Please.
Hi, everybody. And David, thank you so much. It was a wonderful presentation.
I also want to thank you, Simon and Gary and Albert and so many wonderful comments.
Before I go to the serious part, Simon, 1992 in Russia, I don't know where you were,
but it was awesome. Like as a kid, it was awesome. So we'll talk about it later.
Like all the Westerners say, oh, it was such a horrible time. It was awesome.
So now serious points. You know, I really loved what you said about balance, David.
And like I have my own talking point where I say that all the bad things happen really
because there's a lack of balance, because every good thing when taken to the extreme
becomes a bad thing. And we just keep walking in circles like in and young, like historically,
even with different cultures and different ideas and religions and all that.
But it seems like and it has been my observation that in order for a human being, for a single
human being to desire balance, first, there has to be great pain, because it is in human nature to be
kind of complacent and arrogant. And it's not it's just how we are, all of us.
And it seems like in order for wisdom to show up as something that we really want,
first, there has to be great suffering. And I don't like even saying that. I mean, like that's
that's not a pleasant thing to say or to live through. And it's almost as if the current
situation, all the horrors that we are facing right now and in the West, the horrors that people in
other places faced before. So they're not new existentially, they just knew in the West in this
particular era. It's almost like it's here to bring about awakening in a sense that suffering
actually forces people to abandon what they believed in, what they took for granted.
And usually there's great resistance to that. So people don't just abandon their ideas easily.
That's when people hold on to their ideas. So the existential dilemma that I've been
thinking about a lot, and I would love to hear your thoughts. It's almost like if we're on the
good side of things, we can create we can set a good example, we can be completely vigilant in
our own lives, we can be brave in our dealings with the tyrants, we can use our skills to fight
the tyrants, but we cannot force wisdom on other people, we can create as good conditions as we can.
We can be again our absolute best, but it's almost like if we try to force good things
on other people, then we become the dark ones and the dance continues. So it's critical to be very
very watchful for not infringing upon other people's free will as we do that. So what do you think?
It's pretty cool.
Yeah, I agree. You said the word that I keep using all the time. I'm glad to hear you say it. We have
to give examples. We have to be an example. It's not what we say, it's what we do. Exactly.
You know, and I've seen a lot of examples here in North Carolina and other places. I mean,
people who are just themselves doing what and you can see it's so authentic. When people
are authentic, it is plain as day, you know, that they're telling their story. I've watched these
moms, these mothers and their kids and fighting for them. It's those examples that just touch you.
So I agree with what you're saying. And the interesting thing about pain, you said we need
that, right? Did I read you right? I know, unfortunately. I think you're right.
But yeah, I think you're right. Because I've watched, I guess you can't grow without pain.
And it's like anything you do, if you study, work hard, it's sort of not fun or pleasant or whatever,
or if you exercise until you get in shape, it's sore. I mean, that's trivial pain. The real pain
is when it sort of goes to your soul. And I have watched the people that are really amazing,
that I've personally experienced and known in my life, are the ones that came through some horrible
situation, some personal horrible situation. I feel bad for them, but my God, they're wonderful
people, though. It's like they're wise and they're wisdom. And they cut to the essence of things.
I've seen that in my own life, too. The things that were sort of cloudy or not clear.
Once I went through something, God, the clarity is just there. I think you're right.
And when I was younger, I remember a lot of Europeans or other people would come to the United States,
and they had a sort of a complaint about how we were all sort of like kids, we're all living
a happy life and everything, and there wasn't much seriousness going on. You couldn't carry on an
interesting or decent conversation. I paid attention to what they were saying. I mean,
I think I was a teenager even, and certainly a teenager, early 20s, something like that.
There was something to it, and I learned that. I've been all over the world now,
and I've met a lot of people. And sure enough, the places that I went were the people that I
admired and wanted to be around and communicate with were the ones that had experienced something
that wasn't fun, that was kind of hard, like in South Africa, right after the apartheid stuff.
And I went down there. I even lived in South Africa for almost two years. And the places that
I went in Europe, and yeah, I've been to a lot of places, Madagascar, Papua New Guinea,
and I've seen what the colonialization did to people and what, you know, and then they are so
different. People that have survived and come out of a harsh or tragic situation seem to be more human.
Yeah.
I mean, that's just the way that I don't know if I've... You give me the opportunity to talk
about something I haven't thought about in decades.
Thank you. I agree. And I was laughing because that was my complaint exactly when I was just
fresh off the boat. It's like, what is this? I mean...
In the USA?
Oh, I was complaining to anybody who would listen.
So...
About how lack of depth, unserious...
Good, but it breeds shallowness because you can't...
It's shallow. Absolutely.
...talk about sitcoms and...
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you knew exactly what I was talking about, didn't you?
Yeah, well, thank you, Tessa. And by the way, the 1992 experience in Russia,
it's a bit like what you were talking about now. You only feel your toe when it hurts.
So maybe... Now I know that my toe is just there to find furniture in the dark. It's a different
function. But when it really hurts, of course, you feel it. Maybe like...
Thank you so much, Tessa. Спасибо большое.
We go on to...
I was talking about Russia, but offline, not to take time here. So I'm so curious.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, конечно. See how we can have...
Thank you. James, please. Very active in our war. Charles Hoff, Dr. Charles Hoff, please.
Oh, thank you. Thank you. It's a joy to be speaking to you all. I wanted to talk a bit
and ask for some ideas about how to help people to overcome fear. Because, you know, truly,
we are being terrorized. I mean, this whole pandemic has been a pandemic of fear. And the
persecution of the whistleblowers, the persecution of ethical doctors has been a campaign of fear
and intimidation. And I've sort of been, in some ways, sort of the tip of the spear in my small
part of the world. I'm in British Columbia. So the College of Physicians and Surgeons here
put out an edict about a year ago that anyone that contradicted the medical health authorities
would be put under investigation and disciplined. So I didn't give in to their fear and intimidation.
And so my trial is coming up in two months. I'm going to be out, tried for 10 days for this crime
of misinformation. So they've now passed a law a couple of weeks ago called Bill 36 that enables
them to impose a $200,000 fine, six months in jail. It entitles them to forcefully enter one's
property, seize one's goods, lock you out, imprison one for this crime of misinformation.
And so obviously, criminalizing freedom of speech and criminalizing scientific controversy is
is deeply troubling because freedom of speech is the bedrock of any democracy.
And once you no longer have freedom of speech, you no longer have a democracy.
And once you criminalize scientific controversy, you no longer have science. Science is basically
strangled. It can no longer progress. It is dead. So what they've done here, and the other thing
that this law brings in, of course, is it gives the licensing boards of doctors, chiropractors,
naturopaths, every branch of medicine, gives them authority to mandate any vaccine
as a licensing requirement for health care practitioners. So if you want to be a health
care practitioner in British Columbia, you have to effectively abandon the core ethic of
informed consent. You have to effectively give up autonomy of your own body to the state
so that they will decide when your next jab is due. And if you will still want to have to be able
to earn a living and to be able to practice your trade, you will have your next shot.
So this is a huge stick to punish anybody who resists this medical tyranny. And this is truly
medical tyranny. So they have a desperate shortage of family doctors here because they fired
2,500 health care workers out of the hospitals here who refuse to have the shots. And they've
refused to hire them back. These people have now been off work for more than a year. So they're
desperately trying to recruit foreign doctors and other health care practitioners to come here.
But with this huge stick over them that you can be accused of misinformation and very harshly
punished or imprisoned, I don't know how they get I think anybody that wanted to come to British
Columbia would have to be out of their mind if you're a health care provider because you literally
no longer have autonomy of your own body. So unfortunately, fear is a powerful weapon.
And every tyrannical regime in history has used it to oppress people and to control people.
And fear is unfortunately contagious. You know, that's what masks did.
Masks were a very important part of driving the fear in this whole pandemic. But I just really
wanted to ask the question if anyone has got any good ideas of how to help people to overcome
fear. I know it's a very personal thing. But it is a powerful tool of oppression.
I have some thoughts on that, if you don't mind. I think example is the key.
Being with somebody, again, and being an example of a fearless person or a person who can deal
with it who says, okay, it's, you know, it just shows that you're not alone. This is how I would
do it. I mean, to me, if I saw somebody, especially, you know, I think like a child, what you'd, you
know, there's nothing I wouldn't do to help some child. I see a child out there that needs help or
something like that. I just go there and help them and do something. All right. And I think adults,
fearful people, treat them like they're a child in need. You know, just go there and sort of
love them. However you want to love that person, you know, by helping. Just the example that you're
accepting them and that you're not afraid, you know, that's the key, that you're not afraid,
and you're not afraid of that person. You know, I mean, I can't put it in words. I sort of know it
instinctively because I've done this before, even before BC, before COVID, you know, when the
situation was there. And it's amazing the effect that I've even had people like that help me when
some strong, quiet person comes and sort of soothes and helps me. It's amazing. The fear
sort of goes away instantly. You know, now I think that's it. I think it's basically the L word.
It's like love, you know. It's like forget about arguments, forget about anything, just go there,
be an example of love. And it's extraordinary. I've seen it with other people that will do it,
they go in the crowd, especially, you know, somebody who's really scared and there's in the
crowd and nobody's helping them. It seems like they're just really, really bad. Somebody goes
up to them and just treats them nicely with love to calm down, you know. Has anybody else had that
experience or seen that? I mean...
Well, the Bible speaks to that. Perfect love casts out fear is the phrase from the Bible,
and it's exactly what you're talking about. Well, sheesh. I mean, it's sort of instinctive.
For me, it is. Maybe because I've experienced it as a young recipient, you know, of that, and I've
passed it along, you know, and it's just instinctive. For me, it's instinctive. If I see a
fearful person or somebody in need, you know, it's just, it helps both of us actually.
Yes, thank you very much. Mark, did you want to comment on that?
Thank you. Thank you. Charles, how many in your group are facing the same
type of thing? Because what I'm thinking is, is it not possible for your group to be big enough to
do something to counter the charges or to counter the
process that's going to be in place? So, for example, in the UK at the moment, the nurses are
going on strike. And that's a big deal. That's a huge deal, right? So, is it not possible that
there are enough of you that can actually say, well, we're going to withdraw our services?
At the same time, if you are having to, let's say, if someone says you've got to have this vaccine or
whatever, can you not use an orange and just put the vaccine into an orange? If you are going to,
you know, you've got to have some ways around it, some thinking, right? And you can give each other
the certificate, right, we've done it, we're all done, right? We're okay. I know that's not quite
fighting it head on. But if it's so restrictive, you've got to come up with some other means
of getting around these problems. And I think ultimately, it's going to take a lot. It sounds
to me like, you know, you're going into a totalitarian state, and you've got to get
around these people. Because if you confront them on your own, you're going to be steamrolled.
Charles, I can, something else occurred to me here in North Carolina, a group of doctors and nurses,
variety of specialists, left these big mega health care facilities, and they joined together
in what they call the Robin Hood Integrative Health, near the University of North Carolina,
Winston-Salem, a little city around here. And they practice medicine independent. They don't
accept, they don't take insurance money, so they can't be controlled with the insurance money.
So people have to pay, you know, cash, but they are so popular, they're inundated, they have to
get more and more physicians and nurses to join them, because so many people are coming to them.
So if it's possible for physicians there in Canada to sort of leave a system and just
form your own group of health professionals, you can certainly do that here in North Carolina.
I don't know what it's like in Canada. What do you think?
No, in Canada, unfortunately, the government has a monopoly not only on health care, you know,
private hospitals are banned in Canada. This is very communist. The Canadians don't realize
how far socialism has gone here. They can have private day surgery centers, but there are no
private hospitals allowed. And the government has a monopoly on licensing health care providers.
And so if somebody performs some kind of health care service and is not licensed by the government
organization, they are charged and fined for practicing medicine without a license. So the
trouble is they've got a sort of an iron grip. And so, you know, quite a group of us are trying to
figure out, you know, when we lose our licenses, because there are many doctors in Canada that have
had been struck off, they've lost their licenses for writing vaccine exemption certificates,
mask exemption certificates, various things like that. I don't know what will happen to me.
We'll wait and see. But I could very easily lose my license or get a very big fine.
And probably have a whole lot of restrictions placed on me for what I am or not allowed to say.
But the difficulty is trying to get people to overcome their fear and to group together,
because you, as you say, you have to, people instinctively want to be in the middle of the
herd. They don't want to be an outlier. They want the feeling of protection that comes from
from being in a herd and they want to be in the middle of the herd. They don't want to be seen
by the predators from the outside. And so they tend to hide. And so
that is the challenge is to, because, you know, unless we stand up against this tyranny,
it only gets worse. We have to stand up against it. It is, we are truly being terrorized. And,
and, you know, but the trouble is bullies are are usually also cowards. And when the,
when the majority of people are strong enough to stand up against them, they'll,
they'll usually back down. But the difficulty is getting people to stand up because it takes,
it takes risk. We need to, we need to inform these people, or at least some of them,
um, that what has gone on because they've got no idea what's gone on. And none of us has taken
the trouble to write an alternative narrative, um, which will appeal to lots of people. That
is what's missing. So Matthias Desmetz, he told us early on, um, I know that there's an argument
going on, but I really don't understand what the argument's about. Um, because I don't think
Matthias Desmetz has ever suggested that the people in this cult at the moment, the people
who are brainwashed, who've gone along with this COVID nonsense, he's never suggested that it's
their own fault. They've been psychologically tortured into that state. And to get them out
of that state, this is a military grade psychological operation in my view. So obviously
you've got to get the people out and people like you and me, we need to come together to create
an alternative narrative which will appeal to the most. This is why we have this group. That's why
I formed the group, to understand what we were facing, to try to come to a solution. But obviously
I didn't think that, um, yeah, you know, you don't think you can do it, but it's amazing what people
can do when they've got, when they follow their instincts in this situation.
And, uh, you have to, Charles, it's no good appeasing these bastards. You have to stand up to them
and at whatever the cost. So I think that David Drosnik is right, you know, when you're faced up
to the possibility that you can die in your, in our case that we lose our licenses, whatever, um,
then they have no power. They have no power. We can laugh at them and they don't like being laughed
at. But we need to have a narrative and it's taken a very long time for me to decide what the
real problems are. I think it's a military-grade psychological operation and it's worldwide
treason. And until you understand that, you can't actually fight these bastards.
Thank you, Stephen. Um, and I think also what David was saying, uh, love against, uh, or love as the
weapon for fear is fantastic. It works with my chicken as well, actually. And then humor also.
That's true. Humor is an important one. Humor is great. Yeah, they don't like being laughed at.
But, uh, and, and sorry, uh, thank you, Jim, for your patience. If Teresa can just have one more,
uh, um, reaction to Charles. Teresa.
Hi, thank you, Simon. Um, Charles, I really feel for you. Um, it puts me in mind of a,
uh, a friend of mine, uh, Dr. David Cartland, who has just gone viral, um, through being a little
video that he did was, uh, tweeted by, um, Assim Mahoultra. Um, and I think it's been seen
hundreds of thousands of times, which is fantastic. But, um, I think it's been a very
I'm sure he won't mind you telling me telling you this. A few months ago, um, he was in a very
difficult situation where the general medical council in the United Kingdom didn't have enough
information on him to, uh, to strike him off. So they referred him back to the fitness to practice
department in the NHS, who then started investigating him. Um, he was given a certain
number of weeks to produce any evidence that he felt that should be taken into account in his
defence. And, um, he very nearly gave up medicine. Um, he did seek advice from me and I suggested
that together we draft a letter to the NHS fitness to practice directorate and we tell them exactly
why he doesn't want to give the vaccine to his, um, to his, uh, patients. And what we did was a
very short letter. It was, um, very, very heavily referenced with peer reviewed, um, uh,
pub scientifically published papers showing the multiple toxicities of the vaccine.
And, um, basically it was, it was kind of a sucker punch because what it did was it, the person
looking at the evidence, most probably being fully vaccinated would have to read the truth
about the toxicity and what they've actually done to themselves. So we called it like a sucker punch.
In fact, I've given some version, a copy of it to, to Stephen. Now the, my suggestion that if you
were to put together a, um, a letter detailing that and make that the main part of your defence,
then the people reading it, they have to read it. They have to look at the peer reviewed papers
that say that this vaccine is, is toxic in every which way it could possibly be toxic. Um,
wouldn't that strengthen your case? I can provide you with a copy of Dr.
Cartland's letter because after about six weeks deliberation, um, the NHS fitness to practice
directorate got back to him and they said, Dr. Cartland, you can go back to work. They didn't say
another word. Yeah, I would be very, I would be very grateful to have a copy of that letter.
Um, yeah, thank you. That would be excellent. Should I put my email address in the chat?
If that's easy, so how should we do this? Oh, actually you, um,
well, I've got Stephen's email. He can, he can hook us up if you want. Thank you. Okay.
Is it thank you for offering help. So, Charles, is there any way we can help you as a group?
The people not, not necessarily, um, the people on this call at the moment, but the people we know
actually, um, uh, we can contact Stephen and Charles, let's do that offline, uh, through
the emails. Uh, we have a few more questions and not much time left. So if it's okay, I would like
to go to Jim, uh, for questions for David. Hey, thank you very much. Uh, great presentation. And,
uh, going to start first with the, uh, with the financial system, the healthcare, you pointed out
Robin Hood in your area. And, uh, that's very important. The, um, the federal reserve chairman
in Philadelphia was on a phone call with some people from Wharton recently, and they said he's
going to increase the, uh, interest rates once they take into account the need for hospitals to
get more money. All right. And that's critical. So what they're going to do is they're going to,
the hospitals are increasing the cost by, they're going to try to get a 40% pay raise. And then
that is going to bankrupt the United States economy. And they are going to increase the
cost to the fed, increase the rates to the federal reserve, uh, causing a vicious cycle of, uh,
economic horror. Um, this, this is where we're, this is being orchestrated at the highest levels
of the federal reserve. And ultimately they're going to be the ones who benefit from this CBDC.
So we know who's kind of pulling all the strings. It all comes down to, uh, the owners of the
federal reserve, the Rothschild Soros and, and these people, um, who, who are orchestrating this
issue seemingly for the reason of climate change and, and taking down the world population for the
good of the climate. Oh, and so how do we rationalize asking them to please stop?
And what are our bioethicists? And then I have a couple of other questions specifically on the,
on the, um, protease things that you know about.
Well, um, I don't really know how to, uh, address the first question other than,
I don't believe a damn word those people say, you know, the ones that are, uh, trying to control
us. It's, you know, all the, I don't believe a word that comes out of the federal government,
United States, none of the CDC, the NIH, the president, the Congress, I don't hear in the
North Carolina, the government here. I don't, I don't accept anything these people say. I don't
get, I won't negotiate with those folks. So, um, maybe, maybe your question a little bit more
precise and then I might be able to answer it better. Okay. Well, let me shift a little bit then
to, uh, to who's in control of our federal government, because it doesn't really seem
to be the United States. The rich people, the rich people. But maybe they're, maybe there are
actually foreigners and maybe the, um, you know, we were, we were, we've been talking about space
force. It looks like space forces, uh, is controlled by possibly other countries because Israel used to
be out in Atlantic command, excuse me, European command. Now they're in, in central command where
space force is. So it could be. I see what you're saying. Frankly, I don't think when you say other
countries, frankly, I think like we, our president is a puppet for other people. He's being controlled.
He doesn't control anything. I think that's true of France, of Australia, of Canada, of, uh, you
know, a whole host of Germany. I mean, countries around the world, South Africa, other, I don't
care, you know, maybe not India and probably a number of African countries, the smaller ones,
I don't know. But I don't, I don't think clearly, I think it's big money. I think it's those
billionaires. I think it's money is controlling them. And that's what it is. It's the governments
are not in control. They are the ones, they're like the police force. People, the really, really
rich people are pulling the strings or telling the government or Anthony Fauci or some, you know,
somebody like that, what to do, you know? That's what I think personally.
Right. And just as an aside, when we figured out early on in February or March of 2020 that,
because China had bought up all the chloroquine, um, yeah. And, uh, we converted that we pivoted
to hydroxychloroquine in February, March of 2020. And then we, some people talk to the billionaire
boys and they said that we were told the antidote was chloroquine. And we said, Hey, you might be in
on this. Surprise, surprise. Now, by the way, the half-life of chloroquine is 55 days. So if you take
one pill every two months, I wonder if that would be a good antidote. And by the way, the, uh, the
military may not stock chloroquine when they may, excuse me, hydroxychloroquine when they may stock
chloroquine. And a lot of the initial documents from, uh, from the, um, uh, from the guy named,
from research triangle, Barrick, Ralph Barrick said, if you take hydroxy, if you, if you give a
mouse a little bit of chloroquine, you take, it takes one, one hundredth of the dose. If you give
it to him before he gets exposed to the COVID or the spike protein. Now let's pivot to the spike
protein. That's you're a protease expert. There's two parts to the protea. There's the ACE2 receptor,
and then it has to be activated by the furin and TMPRSS2 protease. That TMPRSS2 protease is
racially specific as is the furin. The furin is the serine protease and the other one is the
cystine protease as I recall. I'd like to talk with you further about this. The, the issue is
if you don't cleave those sites, the S1 and S2 segments don't separate. So you don't have the
activation of the GP120, GP41 if you don't cleave those two sites, correct? Yeah. I don't, I don't
have those. I don't know all those numbers that you're talking about. I know there's the S1 and
the S2. The furin, the furin cleavage site is the thing that opens it up like that. And then there's
another cleavage site that separates it, right? That's the TMPRSS2. Okay. See, I don't know, I
know what they are. I just don't know their names. Okay. So, so now what's your question? Now, now
are you familiar with the racial specificity of the, of the furin cleavage site and the TMPRSS2
cleavage site? For instance, the entire, the ACE2 receptor theoretically does not bind to K2. It
actually electro magnetically repels K26R, which means it won't even bind. So that's the first
trigger. And the K26R may or may not be the ACE2 receptor favored of the Rothschild family.
Okay. Right. Okay. I don't know about the racial stuff. I don't know about that. I know about ACE2.
ACE2. Yes. I know about those receptors. I know about these things in general. I know they're in
virtually every tissue there is in Oregon. And if you have something that binds to those things,
which as soon as I learned about it, I knew we were going to have a Holocaust. As soon as I knew
that they were unleashing this stuff to bind to ACE2. Now, these, these technical details that
you're asking me right now, I don't know that I have the answers, that I know the answers to those.
Cause once I knew the big picture, I didn't care about the other stuff.
Well, here's the, right. This is why you might want to care about this other stuff,
because that ACE2 receptor that they put on there seems to be racially specific.
You mean the binder, the receptors on your cells, the ACE2 receptor is on your cells.
Yes. Those are the one that's the ACE2 receptor receptor binding domain.
Right. That's it.
On this high protein.
Right. On the protein.
Is specific. So it repels certain ACE2s. Wouldn't it be nice if your ACE2 receptor
actually repelled that spike protein?
It would be.
Then what would happen? Nothing.
Well, it wouldn't be nearly as toxic. I don't think.
Bingo. And so if that same ACE2 receptor is in the vaccine, would the vaccine be toxic to you, sir?
You mean the binding domain or the receptor in the vaccine?
The binding domain.
The binding domain, if it was in the receptor, I mean in the vaccine?
No, it was in the vaccine.
Yeah.
Well, you have to have, you have to, I think that from what I understand,
the spike protein itself binds okay, but it also does other things besides just binding
that causes its toxicity. Just because it binds to the ACE2 receptor doesn't necessarily mean
that it's going to be toxic because the protein, the angiotensin converting enzyme binds to the ACE
receptor, but it does good things. See what I'm saying?
It's actually different. It's just biochemically, it's different.
And the ACE2 receptor binding domain of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is a toxic in and of itself.
The receptor?
Not the good.
Oh, the domain.
The receptor binding domain.
Well, I can accept that. I don't think that that's all the toxicity though. I don't think that-
No, there's more. There's more. There's more.
There's more. So anyway, maybe I can give you some of this information and then you can analyze it.
And are you familiar with the proteases?
Are you familiar-
Yeah, I am. The serine protease and the cysteine protease.
Yeah.
Yes. And the serine protease, the furin protease, are you familiar with the racial proclivity of
that and who has more and who has less of that?
I haven't looked into it. I don't have a clue.
And what about the TM-
And Jim, maybe-
Thank you. I'll end here and I'll get some information to him. Maybe you can take a look at it.
Thanks so much.
Okay.
Thanks a lot, Jim. Gary, if you're still awake, good morning.
Yeah, I'm here. So look, I just wanted to react to John Hoff's question about fear
John, I've been there with fear and fear feeds anxiety. If you want to come reach out afterwards,
it's really important. You don't allow it to consume your every thought and that you can
put in a robust defense because that just feeds the anxiety. And I'm happy to go offline with you
and help with anecdotes and with people who can help with that.
Thank you. Can I just quickly respond? Yeah, it's not me that I don't have fear,
which is why I've done what I've done. But my concern is my colleagues that have fear.
So I have a strong faith in God. We don't know, as we say in Christian circles,
we don't know what the future holds, but we know who holds the future.
So I believe in the sovereignty of God and that no evil can do anything without his consent
and that he will ultimately use it for the good of the kingdom of God and for those that love him.
That's what I stand on. Yeah, it's about what the worst can happen and what God wants to happen.
He can make it happen. But a colleague of yours is a colleague of mine. So that offer extent.
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you, Gary.
Thank you. Maybe we should have some stunning evidence, which I discovered last night,
which I think will break the cycle that your colleagues are in. At the moment,
we're trying to copy this evidence because unfortunately, if it gets out, well, you know,
it's available on the Internet at the moment. But if it gets out, gets any kind of publicity,
I fear that it will be censored. So we need copies. But I can let you have a preview,
if you like, if you email me, Charles. Thank you. OK. Yeah, thank you.
Stunning evidence from the past. They've done exactly this before, not just the swine flu.
I won't say anymore. Yeah. Thank you. Very good. I'm sure it'll be a censored Stiffen. Don't fear.
I know. Yes. But the point is, without having copies, Simon, we need copies before
we allow them to censor it. Yeah. Very good.
That's not fear. That's reality.
Hi. I don't know if. Very good. Sorry. Sorry. If you can put
your hand up, we just have two more questions here. Jack and Lex, because we have only a few
minutes left. If we can keep it short. Questions for David. Yeah, I'll be very brief. I was just
wanting you to respond to the fear question again. When people are afraid, as commented,
they hide behind mommy figures and daddy figures. And you notice they have very few words. They know
the words safe and effective. And they know the word anti-vaxxer, but they're very young
psychologically. It's a regressed state. And what you want to try to do is to evoke
an adult state, which means about 11 years old or older. And you can evoke that adult thinking,
cognitive processing, which has been disabled by the fear, by asking questions. And it's showing
some empathy. Oh yeah. Well, I was pretty scared of this initially, but then I started thinking.
And, oh, really, what were you thinking about? Well, I started looking here, looking there.
You get them thinking. And the minute they start thinking, they'll start seeing alternatives.
And they might say, well, what are you going to do if they're trying to take your license away?
Well, I've thought of this, I've thought of this, I've thought of this. So you get in a thinking
conversation with them gently without challenging them, without making them feel stupid, just with
a basically a kind attitude, but purely cognitive. Anyway, that's my psychological advice for the day.
You're right. You're absolutely right, Jack. You need to look at the ending of William Golding's
The Lord of the Flies, because those boys who lived on that island, they are in a cult, and then they
meet the British naval officer, and he is the father figure you're talking about, Jack. You're
right on there. Absolutely. And everyone- Yeah, that was a great book, yes. Everyone needs to
have a look at the ending of Lord of the Flies, because there's a brilliant line in it. I've just
remembered it now. The boys were in a cult. As the boys told their stories to the naval officer,
some of them began to cry. Brilliant line. Thanks, Stephen. Stephen, we come to you
after two more questions, and I see Zoom user also has a question. Zoom user,
if you can put your hand up, that would be great. Next.
Go ahead, Doug. I don't know how to put my hand up other than on the screen.
Okay, I'll come to you after, Lex. Thank you. Very good. Thank you.
My reaction is for Dr. Offer. This is Lex from British Columbia, the Naimo.
Probably weeks ago, I had an idea. I don't know how practical it can be, but for the doctors who
are afraid of coming out against whatever the government is doing, what if we create a risk
mitigation mechanism? What I was thinking is that their fear is to come out alone, and if they come
out alone like you did, then they get prosecuted by the government. But if they come out all at
once, if a certain threshold is met. And here's what I've been thinking about is like, what if
there's a law firm or just a lawyer somewhere out there that creates relationships with every
doctor who wants to oppose it, but they're not ready to come out yet publicly. But when a certain
threshold of doctors with this lawyer have been gathered, let's say that this lawyer has like 500
or 1,000 doctors who privately with that lawyer have expressed that, well, we are against XYZ.
Then when a certain threshold is achieved, the lawyer makes a press release and say,
I have the signatures of 500 docs or 1,000 doctors in British Columbia, and they're all saying,
we oppose XYZ. And the XYZ could really be like the sucker punch idea of theories. I think it's a
good idea is that you formulate a statement that a bunch of closeted doctors are in agreement with,
but they don't want to come out all alone one by one. They're going to get hammered, every one of
them, but they all come out. And then the government has to come out and say, well,
the government has to deal with this. This becomes like a public opinion crisis because
the government does, they do their thing with public opinion. So it's a risk mitigation
mechanism to reduce the risk for every single doctor, but then when they come out, they come
out all at once. I believe that in BC, we have like 9,500 GPs. We have 9,500 specialists.
And then you, so that's about like 1,800, 1,900 doctors in British Columbia. So just I'd like to
have like a significant fraction of that, of these docs that are ready to come out, but only
if they're like together, but they don't know like who else is coming in with them. They don't know.
All they know is that they're signing a statement with a lawyer. They're saying like,
like, I oppose XYZ. Whenever you've got like 500 or a thousand other docs that are like also
opposing XYZ, then you put me on that list. You make the press release and here we are. Boom.
It's like, and then so they don't have a risk. They don't have a risk until the condition is met.
Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a great idea. I mean, that's, and I don't know why
as Charles there has he talked to other doctors? Have you talked to other like-minded doctors and
just talked about what to do? Yeah, I have, but you know, the group is so small, you know,
that is the problem. They are so small because there are many that can see the problems and
the injustice, but they won't even join a group. You know, I send them emails and things and I don't
even get, they don't even respond to my emails. They're terrified. They're so intimidated.
But they would come out. If I can make a variation of Lex's idea,
it's not only group the people from the doctors, but what if we pinpoint a day and we all come out
whatever the background at a certain day, the same day, then the whole vague of the whole wave of
resistance, I'm just saying the 17th of January, it wouldn't be stoppable because you can't attack
everybody at the same time. So both grouping. The trouble is each person thinks, doesn't know how
many others there are that are like-minded. What about this? What about patients? What about your
patients? Do you have a lot of patients that really like you and want to support you,
but they join you in public and say, Hey, go to hell. Yeah, I think quite a lot of them. I mean,
I have always worked in a very, I've worked in predominantly first nations, communities,
Aboriginal groups who are a simple country folk and have no understanding of the big picture at
all. They just believe the government, the government keeps giving them money and so they
trust the government. And so the majority of my patients don't say a word because they don't know
what to think. Is it worth staying where you're at or should you go someplace else? I should go
someplace else. Then that's what you should do. But the whole town got burned, my practice got
burned. There's not much left here. My house survived. But yeah, so it's difficult to sell
anything here because everything's there. We don't even have landlines. Everything got burned a year
and a half. They rebuilt nothing. There's so many safety regulations that nobody can do anything.
Was the fire which destroyed your office wasn't it Charles? Yes, that was just right after I came
out with that D-dimer about the micro-clushing. About a week after that everything burned to the
ground. Yes. So in your view now, so some months afterwards, or a year is it, is that arson or not?
Well, the government did an investigation for a year on the cause of the fire and the official
answer is they have no idea what caused it. So most people think it was arson.
Yes, well it certainly seemed it. The temporal relation between what you were saying at the time
and the danger to them and then the fire. It was... Yeah, yeah. The most people put two and two together
and they thought the coincidence was just too great. Correct. Thank you. Thank you, Lex, for your
question and your idea. And maybe just to zoom user before we go to Louise. Oh yeah, thank you so
much everyone. I'm Doug Hulst at MD. I'm from Monterey, California. I'm actually somewhat in the
same category as Charles is, although I haven't had my office burned down. The fire was just
the medical board of California is after me. I backed into the whole vaccine mess because
I deal with autistic children from about 2000 on. And I was just curious to Simon,
do chickens have senses of humor? Yeah, the egg first actually. The egg first, then the chicken.
Okay, all right. I was just curious about that. My view is that we really are looking at a
spiritual warfare and we need to actually understand that. The autistic kids in my
practice are about 74 of them out of 149 got there because of the vaccines. So I backed into this
watching the childhood vaccines. And of course the COVID vaccine, I believe is the childhood
vaccines to the second power. Just horrid. I've got six family members who have been
vaccine injured and about half of them don't even understand that it came from the jabs.
There is an organization called Physicians for Informed Consent. It's out of Southern California.
Charles, you might want to be in contact with them. They might have some data for you. It's
exquisitely hard. So here in the United States, we have something called the US Constitution.
I doubt if you have the US Constitution working in British Columbia. Is that appropriate?
No, we don't. We do have a Canadian Constitution, a Bill of Rights and Freedoms,
but it is not anything as robust as what you've got.
Yeah, presently what's happening is they're chasing me for a single medical exemption I wrote for a
child five years ago. So everybody's pretty serious about the vaccinations. And I know we're in a
mixed group, but I'm telling you that childhood vaccines were horrid and the COVID jab is the
childhood vaccines on steroids. It's just amazing to watch this noise come through.
Thank you so much, everyone, for putting together this discussion group. I appreciate it.
Unfortunately for me, I'm electronically impaired, so I don't even know how to raise my hand on the
screen. So thanks for letting me speak. I appreciate that.
Thank you. One more thing about chicken. They're like Belgians. They make jokes about them being
stupid, but they don't mind because they don't get the jokes anyway.
They don't get the jokes. I'm very pleased to hear that because I would hate to start dissing
any chickens that are out there in case they're listening on this Zoom call. That is important.
Can I pray for the whole group if you don't mind?
Sorry? May I pray for the whole group if you don't mind?
Yeah, that's okay, Simon. It's okay. Yeah. Father, I thank you for your grace and your mercy to us.
I pray that you help all of us see what you have for us, and I pray your protection over every one
of us. I particularly pray for Charles that your grace would be unto him and protect him.
I pray these things in Jesus' name. Amen.
Amen.
Thanks, guys.
I wanted to let you know I found the name of that Australian attorney I worked with.
Anybody want to know? Benedict S. Clemens. Benedict S. Clemens. He was the first
guy that contacted me right off the bat with this COVID nonsense, and we worked for a number of
months, maybe half a year together. Zoom user, I don't know your name, so have you been coming
to the group a lot recently, or is this your first time? This is my first time. I'm just very happy
I can speak English with you guys. So, yeah, so you're welcome to our meeting. We have two a week
on Tuesdays and Sundays. All right. Yeah. Eagle88, Albert invited me.
He's going to speak to us for Christmas. We're going to have a Christmas greeting.
Very good.
From Archbishop of Ghana.
Thank you.
In Melbourne.
Not from the Pope, no. He's opposed to the Pope.
Louise.
So we're done, I guess.
Last question.
Last question. I just wanted to say, yeah, continue with the prayers. I pray every day,
it is a spiritual evolution. Yeah, so thank you. First time I think I'm on this Zoom call as well.
So timing is amazing. It's divine timing. I always ask for divine timing. So thank you
for everyone. And what I heard a little from you, Charles, God bless and God bless everyone.
And yeah, just picking up on coincidentally, nothing happens by coincidence, what Lex was
saying. And I think there's a really unique opportunity building on that idea around
there's a significant sector potentially here in Australia that is wanting to come out to kind of
look at how to get support. Okay, now, and the thought was, if there was the scope of, say,
I don't know, 100 doctors, 200 doctors, perhaps signing and sort of an affidavit,
verifying all the evidence that we now know about the injuries and the deaths
that could be coordinated through a lawyer to actually work with this sector. And uniquely
enough, there is actually a lawyer, a law firm here in Australia that has come forward to work
with people that have been damaged by the vaccine. So the idea was, is there anyone, I guess, any
doctors or anyone willing to actually coordinate and be that liaison point with this particular
significant sector that really wants, that has had enough, they're enraged. And so that's kind of
where things are at. And I just wanted to put that out there to see who's out there, whether that's
something through you, Simon, or whoever's coordinating.
So we, but the problem is, we can't agree on this. Well, we haven't been sure of what's going on,
at least I haven't until now. And, but we need to do what I was saying earlier. And yes, we need to
get lawyers to think creatively about what they can do at the moment to make the biggest difference.
So for example, send warning letters to the people about to punish Charles, target people
personally. We just need to massage the message so that we get the maximum number of the people
to actually come along with us, because this is pure evil what we're facing now. This is pure evil
and we have to confront it. We have to confront it sooner rather than later. But the problem is,
we didn't know the full extent of what was going on until now, or at least I didn't.
And then there's disagreement between, but all we need is someone who's determined, and determined,
and people who can have the time to put work in, take the lead if you like. And we can do it. But
the problem is trying to get 10 doctors even to work together. And we've got 10 on the call tonight,
getting 10 doctors to work together, trying to agree a narrative if you like, and a way forward.
That's all it would take. We just need to get the message out, because all these people, once they
realize what's happening, that their own government has been psychologically torturing, they will do
the work for us. But as long as we leave them in their little world, that's very dangerous for us,
and for everybody actually, them included. Thank you, Stefan. And thank you, Louise. I think also
what David was saying earlier, use the patients as a resource. Every doctor has many patients
that could actually multiply your group quite easily. David and Steve. We can do it. We can
break these plasters. But we just need 10 determined people.
Doctors would be great. 10 very determined doctors who agree to disagree, but actually
to paper over those differences and to come out with something that will resonate with the public
so that they sound, so that we sound authentic. That's the thing. Authenticity is the key,
like. Yeah, and I think forgiveness. I think he's being. No, we can't forgive at the moment.
No, we can't forgive at the moment. No, no, no. I mean forgive in the sense of, what's the word?
Forgive, yeah, compassion. It's more in that loving space. Well, yes, there's a time for that.
First of all, we've got to get these people to listen and to be afraid of us because they
need to be afraid of us. We will win. It's just a question of when and that's in our hands.
Yeah, and the other thing was around in the US, I was advised there's something called the RICO,
R I C O, around corruption and cartels or whatever that doesn't exist here in Australia. I don't know
that's helpful for anyone that's still here from the US. Just sort of just put that out there.
Thank you. Thank you, Louise. I realize we are about 10 minutes over time. Sorry for my moderation.
David, thank you for your patience. Steven, do you want to make some final comments on
the talk of David or any points or questions? And then we'll go over to the. So I do. I was
going to say what I just said, actually, this is pure evil. We have to confront it. We have to have
the courage to confront it head on. And so we have to do that in the end. But actually, we can,
if we could create a narrative which made sense to the maximum number of people who are caught
up in this cult, that would help us greatly because it's the people who are complying with
this nonsense, who are keeping us all in the trap. But I don't know, you know, I don't even know
whether this is obvious to everyone else what I'm just saying. So it may be obvious, but I'm
frustrated because we don't seem to have any, any. I think time's running out. Sorry. Wait, I think
time is running out. We've already had three years of this stuff. And next year, I'm pretty sure 2023
is going to be a lot worse year yet. Well, we do have the truth on our side, David, and I believe
that truth will always have to act with it and on it. You have to. Yes. So you have to. Yes,
you have to get in concert with the truth and we need to look authentic so that people recognize
what we're saying has actually happened to them. And they so they do the work for us.
It's going to take physical action. It's going to take people refusing. It's going to take like
the Canadian truck drivers, those Holland farmers. It's going to doctors like the doctors here in the
United States and North Carolina that left the big thing and started up their own thing. It's going
to take action, not words. Exactly. But the problem is that if you haven't got enough people to agree
on what the action is, then we all impel on from weekend to weekend.
Then I think you need to go some. You need to go someplace else and find warriors.
Sure. You know, if you if you three years in right now and you're in a place where you can't really
find people, find any warriors, you're going to have to go to where they exist.
Well, actually, David, they are coming to join us more and more people, but they're not coming
in sufficient numbers to make it a quick process. That's the problem. But they never gain any any
men, if you like. And we are gaining men all the time, but somewhat slower than we would like.
That's my anyway. Sorry to what do you think, David? Any other thoughts?
Well, no, I mean, I think, like I said before, time's running out. One thing you can count on
when people really start hurting in mass, especially those that have sort of been in the middle,
then they're going to start deciding which way they're going to go when the pain really hits,
you know, to fight back or just give up. You know, Jack was absolutely right about something
else. He said he was saying that he thought that you have to go through problems in your life to
become a force to be reckoned with. I think that's absolutely true. It's only when you go
through problems that you grow as a person, as a human being. And so that's why we've got so many
whistleblowers in this group, I think, because they're attracted to the truth and they're not
afraid. But trying to get whistleblowers to work together, I think it's worse than hurting cats.
Yeah. Okay, hey guys, I've got to go. Thank you very much.
I enjoyed meeting all of you. Thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it.
Thank you. Please work with us, David. Happily. Like I say, I do my best to not say no.
Oh, and I would like to ask the people who don't say much in these groups, you know, maybe they
don't like speaking. Well, I had to learn how to speak, but I'm not pointing the finger. Well,
I can't speak still, but I had to learn. I didn't like taking the initiative. But anyway,
I would say to the people who are sitting, listening to all this, thinking that the people
who speak have all the answers, they may have the answers, and I'm very interested in what they have
to say. Okay. And even as David was saying,
I'm less, little less. Thank you, everyone.
Tom Rodman has the link there in the chat.
For the people who want to have a after party for everybody else, have a good Sunday evening or a
good start of the week. Don't forget to save the chat and I will close this meeting. Simon,
could you send me the chat, please? Simon, could you send me the chat when you save it? Thank you.
Yeah. Thank you. I'll save it.
Thank you all very much. Have a Merry Christmas. Thank you, Charles. Thank you very much.
Email me Charles and I'll send you that. Thank you. No fear.
Good to see you, Ray.
Chat, Steven.
Very well. God bless everybody. Good night. Good morning.