was from Dublin. Jerry, as you know, Australia was our whole
our whole Catholic, our whole Catholicism in this country for
two centuries has been dominated by the Irish. So I grew up being
taught by the Irish. So let's get this show on the road.
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us and gentlemen, I know you haven't done a huge amount of
briefing. And the question that the question that I have for you
to contemplate as you decide how you're going to play this with
the four of you talking about money, about global machinations
on money about what should I do if I sell my house for $2 million?
Sorry, if I've got a house for $2 million? Do I hold on to my
house? It's unencumbered? Do I sell my house? If I get $2
million cash? What am I going to do with it? Where do I put it?
What country do I move to? And these are all the different
questions that have been have been asked of me in various
forums, for that I moderate. So they're the sorts of financial
matters that are exercising many minds on this call. And so
gentlemen, over to you, Jerry and Alex and Mads and David, have
you guys spoken about anything and how you want to play it or
just want to launch into it, make some opening statements and
we'll have Q&A.
I can launch it.
We haven't spoken.
So Alex, and so I'll just say what I know all four of you and I
think the ones who, it's not criticism of the other two, but
I think the ones who maybe are least shy about deciding which
way the conversation should go are Alex and Jerry.
So there you are, Alex and Jerry are the least shy. Mads, I
consider that an insult to you, but anyway, be that as it may.
Oh, no, it's not an insult.
No, I'm being playful, Stephen.
Yeah, I know. I was just pretending.
I was just going to answer Charles's question, Alex, before
we get into the world of money.
Yeah, please go ahead.
Oh, I just wanted to say, in terms of personal financial
situation, Charles, every person's financial situation is
actually different. And it's very hard to give you advice
because I don't know if you've got an auntie who's a
multimillionaire who's about to die and give you 100 million
dollars. I have no idea what your circumstances are or
anybody else. So it's an avoidance of the question,
really, perhaps Alex might like to answer it a little bit more
carefully. But if you if you sell your your real assets or
financial assets and go to cash, you then have to place the cash
somewhere. Okay, we've got to then reinvest in another asset.
You've got a lot of decisions to make if you liquidate your
assets. And the main reason to liquidate your assets would be
the idea that we're entering into an asset deflation crisis.
So if we are then liquidation is the right strategy. If we're
not liquidation is the wrong strategy.
Yeah, and also, what about David Webb, who talks about the
dematerialization of assets?
I
what Jerry just said, to to complicate matters further. So
one one thing I, you know, I, I, I think it's very difficult to
understand the history that we're coming out of. And but one
way of doing that is to, you know, work with living memory.
What what has happened before, you know, many of us are within
this living memory of, and this call, living memory of what
happened in the early 20th century. And responding to what
Jerry is saying, one of the things that I found in looking
at my grandfather's history. Now he this this grandfather was a
surgeon in World War One, this medical unit into France, and
came came back. And that's a whole story. But in 1923, he
bought these three lots in Shaker Heights, in Cleveland.
And absolutely, there was a bubble that developed through
the 20s. And there were ups and downs in the bubble, but it was
a profound bubble. And what most people don't know is there was a
further real estate bubble after the stock market crashed, because
the Fed provided even more liquidity after the stock market
crashed. And so we've, we've been living through some of that.
So is that right? You know, my grandfather, if he had sold those
properties at the top, and put the money into the stock market,
then when the stock market crashed, he would have lost
everything. So he was probably glad he kept the real properties.
Then if he had sold them during the further bubble that occurred
after the stock market crash, which is kind of what we've been
in during the COVID period, if he had sold those properties and
put the money in the banks, he would have lost all the money in
the banks. So after, I guess, was another 30 years, my
grandmother sold the properties for a third of what he paid for
them. So it's not a matter of the valuation level. It's a matter
of having anything. It's a matter of holding because the price
level can change. You know, we're, I believe we're going, we will
go into a profound deflationary collapse. So it's, it's not a
matter of where you get out, you know, because as you're saying,
what do you put the money into? I believe that, you know,
constructs are dissolving, unreal things are dissolving. We
will, we will find that real, we'll, we'll rediscover the
value of many things that we've lost recognition of in our, in
our culture, in our lives. But, you know, anyway, I think it's,
I, I say it's important to get real, to really think about how
you're going to live and to have real things.
So have we decided on that, Alex?
Well, what I was going to say is that based on, based on what I've
learned about this, and I've spent pretty much the last 15 or even
longer years of my life, basically focusing on inflation as
the coming challenge. And what are the effective strategies and
what are not the effective strategies of dealing with it?
There are two, there are two asset classes that provide any
meaningful protection from inflation, and that is commodity
futures and farmland and real estate, you know, if you, you
know, real estate sounds like something real, like a real
asset, but David is very right. Usually all these things that
But David is very right. Usually all these things crumble down to
nothing in an inflationary environment, which is where
we're going. So if you go back 100 years to the Weimar Republic,
which is, you know, instructive for our purposes, that that that's
a valid experience. When the whole crisis unraveled at the
end of 1922, in December 1922, you would have been able to buy
the whole of Mercedes Benz company for the price equivalent
to 327 of their cars. So that was the market cap of the
company at that time. And, you know, I don't know this, but I
would guess that they must have had that many cars around, you
know, on their on their production lot and around their
dealerships. So it means that the company was basically
worthless. And also, in terms of real estate, at that same time,
you would have been able to buy a six bedroom house in a in a in
a good neighborhood of Berlin for 100 us US dollars. And so
what that tells you is neither stocks, neither equities, nor
real estate really offer any meaningful protection in an in
an in an how do you call it inflationary crisis? And so, you
know, what are what are the real things that can as I said,
farmland commodity futures? Well, you know, not everybody can
go into commodity futures. But there's always things like silver
and gold, like real ones, you know, something you can hold in
your hand, not not ETFs and and various bank products. I think
that people should focus on preserving their purchasing
power. You know, tracking your wealth in nominal terms is going
to become meaningless. In an inflationary environment, you
know, there are two there are two possibilities. Either the
stock markets crash, we have a we get a we get a big bear
market and the stock market loses 60 70 80 90%. Or the stock
market goes vertical up. This is what happened in Weimar Republic.
This is what happened in Venezuela in 2015 2016. This is
what happened in Argentina. This happened in Israel in 1986 and
so on. So there's a lot of these examples where actually country
goes into a stagflationary crisis and an accelerating rate
of inflation and stocks go go, you know, high very sharply. But
the investors still end up losing everything because the loss of
purchasing power of money outstrips the the the any gains
that you have in stock markets. And so I mentioned the price of
the market cap of Mercedes Benz Corporation after the Weimar
Republic and that was Weimar was an example where stock markets
went up vertical during the during the inflationary
unraveling. But you know, rather than worrying about, you know,
generating good returns and making money on inflation, I
think that the plan should be the strategic plan for everybody
should be to try to preserve the purchasing power of the of their
wealth to the to the greatest extent possible. Because once the
crisis does unravel, then you're going to be able to pick up real
stuff for next to nothing, you know, like a six bedroom villa
in the outskirts of Berlin or Mercedes Benz corporations. Who
knows what's going to be out there. But so even even if you
had a reasonable plot of farmland or some gold or some
silver, silver and I very much agree with with with what David
is saying in in in the great taking is that you need to get
rid of debt, you need to not go into the crisis with a lot of
personal debt or if you have a business, business debt. And then
you know, if you preserved yourself, then you're in a good
position to start rebuilding wealth. And so if I sold my
house now, I would probably try to acquire real assets, but not,
you know, apartments, other other kinds, but silver, gold
farmland. I would also try to, you know, work together with the
local community. Ah, okay, Janet, yes, inflation and
deflation. It's not a different. It's not a different thing in
this thing. In this sense, you're going to get inflation in
nominal terms. So the prices of things are going to go up. But
the deflation is that at the end of it, everything's going to be
in a state of collapse, you know, deflation in real terms and
inflation in nominal terms. I don't know if that makes sense.
But inflation in this sense is the progressive loss of
purchasing power of the money of the currency. But as that
happens, the asset prices, the prices of real things like real
estate and stocks and bonds are going to collapse. So that's
deflation. That's about it. Yeah, I think the crypto is not a
bad idea. Not a bad idea to diversify. You know, I wouldn't
put all my eggs in that basket. But, you know, if you buy a
little bit of silver and a little bit of gold and a little
bit of farmland, I would add a little bit of Bitcoin to that
mix as well. You know, we don't know what's going to happen, but
we're gonna get and then you know, something very important
is that I learned from from David in his book is that they
could make owning gold illegal again. And so then your
allocation to gold and silver could also become a liability.
You wouldn't be you might not be able to use it. So Alex, we've
got it. That's, let's just hang on. I'm worried. I'm worried we
haven't heard from Mads. Say hello, Mads and then go back to
Jerry.
Yeah, I will say hello. And then after Jerry, I have something
I'd like to add to the mix.
I just wanted to clarify what Alex was talking about there and
what Dave was talking about for listeners. There's CPI
inflation, and there's asset price inflation. So this is what
both Alex and David are talking about. And so that's a bit
confusing to a lot of people. You've just got to if you
understand, though, if you read the newspapers and magazines,
and you try to get your information there, you'll only
ever hear about CPI inflation. You'll never hear about asset
price, inflation or asset price deflation. So that's this, you've
got to get your mind attuned to those two different concepts of
asset price inflation, CPI or price of goods and services
inflation. So the two different things. Basically, they're the
destination for money. And so it's where the destinations.
So Jerry's the CPI deflation, does that always coexist with
asset deflation? Or can you have both inflating?
Well, okay. This all gets very complicated. In some Alex was
referring to some of the episodes in history where there's
been hyperinflation. hyperinflation is not high
inflation. Okay, it's not it's where the currency collapses.
Okay, so if the currency collapses, and you're holding
that currency, then all the price of everything's everyday
goods and services skyrocket. So that's a hyper inflation
re event. Okay, so there's high inflation, and then there's
hyperinflation. So there but there again, two different,
totally different concepts hyperinflation is currency
collapse. And I've answered your question, Stephen, but so so
you've got CPI, your CPI, you've got assets and you've got
currency, yes.
Well, yes. So you've got correct. So there's really three
concepts, the CPI cost of goods and services inflation is asset
price inflation. And then Alex has brought in the concept of
when a hyperinflation event occurs. hyperinflation event,
however, is a currency collapse, where the where the population
switches to an alternative currency. And so, so at the same
time as there's a hyperinflation event occurring, there's a
hyper deflation event occurring at exactly the same time in the
alternative currency. Okay, so if you're if you're in
Venezuela, four years ago, whatever, or in Zimbabwe 15
years ago, whatever it was, and you're holding the local
currency, then then the price of everything is skyrocketing up
woods. But if you're holding US dollars, the price of everything
is collapsing. So this is both occurring at exactly the same
time. Understand that? Yes, that's in a very, that's in a
currency collapse. So you get both events occurring at exactly
the same time, hyperinflation, hyper deflation, same time. And
in that's a very rare event, currency collapse is not a
common event. And you've got to have an alternative currency for
the people to switch to that to happen. But in normal everyday
activities of finance and economics, you have varying
degrees of asset price inflation and CPI inflation and deflation
occurring, you know, in sync in some sort of harmony, we'll call
it harmony, but that you get excesses of asset price
inflation, and then you get deflation. And this is going on
all the time. Okay, but if you understand in a hyperinflation
event, currency collapse, you get hyper deflation at the same
time, if you're, if you're holding the alternative currency,
then they're occurring at exactly the same time. Okay,
understand that? That's the most extreme example of everything,
which is what Alex and David are talking about. In other words,
if your whole if your currency is collapsing, and all of the
assets that you hold are in that currency, denominated in that
currency, then you are experiencing a massive hyper
inflation. But everybody holding the alternative currency is
experiencing a hyper deflation. It's the best way to try and get
your head around that. Okay. Clarified rather than made it
more mystified.
So while we're on currency, Jerry,
the hang on, that's what's going to come in soon.
Oh, yeah, I was going to ask Matt. So, yes, okay. Well, how
do you get a reserve?
Have a breather, Steven, and think of your next question. And
now I want to say something now. Yeah.
Oh, fine. Yeah.
Okay, so guys, listen, we're talking about inflation, various
foreign types of inflation. We're talking about giving each
other an advice, how we can avoid suffering the consequences
of the crimes committed by the current mafia controlling the
world. Okay. So, yes, let's just play for I'll play along for two
minutes. Let's just play that we are powers trying just to see
how we can survive the onslaught on humanity by the mafia. Yes, we
could put all our currency in the right currency, be a Nazi.
And what happened to them in 1945 in Denmark, they collaborated
with the Germans, tell you what happens. They were burning their
Danish Kroner notes in their gardens. Because in 1945, there
was a currency reform, but they would come and come by you.
Yes, you could keep your your Danish Kroner and convert them
to the new Kroner unless you have been collaborating with the
Germans. If you collaborated with Germans, they were gone. So
they were burning their currencies. So you could be doing
all the right things. You could be sucking up to the people with
the biggest guns for years and you and you look good and safe to
be screwed overnight. You can also buy farmland and move out in
the countryside and everything is beautiful. That's even even 50
kilometers to the nearest neighbor. It's only a matter of
time when people are hungry enough. You might run out of
bullets. You can also also buy gold. Lucky you. Yes, you found
the right thing. You've bought gold. Oh, you are so clever.
Until someone comes and takes it away from you, you're not so
clever anymore. Right? Exactly. Could we just for crying out
loud, change this conversation to what we should be doing?
Instead of trying to use our skills, our knowledge, our
wisdom on how we can advise each other in surviving while all the
stupid people are dying. I'm not having any of that. Okay, so what
we should be talking about is we should talk about the world is
abundant. The world is truly abundant. There is no reason
anybody is suffering. The only reason any people are suffering
is because we are allowing our politicians to send money to
wars. Another single war has ever been because some Danish
farmer woke up and said, hey, I'm going to take all my sons and
go to Sweden and kill some Swedes. While a Swedish farmer
never said, hey, I want to go go to Denmark and kill some Danes.
It never happens. It was bankers wars. They are all bankers
wars, and they all benefit the rich people. We should be
talking about we stop the fucking mafia. That's what we
should be talking about. Now they want to come with universal
basic income. Why do they want to do that? Because they will
have to. Now there's so much innovation, so much artificial
intelligence already now only 1% of Danes are in agriculture.
We produce food for 60 million people. We produce. We have 5.9
million. We produce food for 10 times more people than we are.
Then we have 2% in industry. We have net exporters of industry.
Thanks to all our 700,000 summer houses and a coastline of 7,500
kilometers, which is two and a half times longer than France's,
we have so many German tourists. We even have a surplus on the
tourist balance. The world is so abundant. What is the rest of the
97% doing? Well, we're basically, they're working in
the public sector creating problems and stupid laws for
each other. You have to wear a mask, you have to sit down, you
have to stand up, you have to take it off, you have to put it
off. We have to discuss about whether we should be vaccinated
or not vaccinated. We're talking about silly things. When we sent
home the entire public sector, nobody noticed. Nobody noticed.
Because they're not producing anything. If anything, they're
producing negative producers. What we should be talking about
in our group is how do we fuck the mafia who's trying to kill
us, who's trying to poison us. That's what we should be talking
about. If you want to talk about that, I'm absolutely happy to
stay on this call. If you want to have a talk about inflation
and stuff like that, explain people something that they
probably never would if they haven't understood inflation.
People here on this call are my age, most of them. If you
haven't understood inflation now, you're probably not going to
understand it within the next two hours anyway. And again, even
if you understood it, that could be an event like in 1991 in
Russia. So we had the richest country in the world, no debt at
all. Nobody had a debt in their flat. Nobody had a debt in their
house. The government owned all the corporations. And Howard
bastards and Wall Street banksters flew in together with
corrupt Zionist politicians. And they printed $250 billion. Just
like we know Victoria Nuland, she paid $5 billion for regime
change in Ukraine. The Russians are more expensive. I don't know
it's because they're less corrupt. It's just like the
question of the woman, OK, will you sleep with me for a million?
Yes, we'll know. Now you're a prostitute. So now we can just
talk about the price. So the Russians are just more expensive.
But $250 billion. Then they paid off the entire doomer and they
convinced them that they were bankrupt. And they made a
currency conversion where they took all the money of all the
savings of the entire Russian population in a country that
didn't they didn't have any debt. How can you do that? Even even
other nations were net debtors to Russia. It was the richest
country in the world in 1991. If you came if you'd come in and
made just like said to them to the population, you can buy you
can have a mortgage, you can buy your flat from the government
for whatever $100,000. You can pay it back on interest free over
40 years, they would have monetized the whole economy, they
could done anything else. Instead, they were starving. More
than 6 million Russians died until Putin came to power. So any
advice you guys might might give and you are some of the cleverest
guys in the world. I've seen a lot of banksters out there and
you guys are way up there among the most clever ones, not the
most banksters once. But we no matter what, what advice we might
be able to give someone today, it could be totally wrong because
we miss one component. And the mafia have always got another
component of another crime we haven't thought about. So what I
really think we should be focusing on is not how we can
survive. We should focus on how the hell can we get rid of the
That's what we should be brainstorming about.
Excellent, Mats. I spoke to so you weren't so shy as I thought.
No, I've seen that side of you before. So you're at your best
when you're speaking like that from the heart, Mats.
Yeah, I know. Because you all know that I'm saying the right
thing. You know, you know, it's right. You know, I'm right. What
can you do? I mean, and I know that you don't hate you don't
hate people for being wrong. You hate people for being right,
especially if events prove you wrong, and them right. Tell me
about it. I know all about it. So I know I know that. But at the
end of the day, we should we should try to get rid of them.
And I think with Gaza now we have a chance now. People are so
scared of saying the J word. Now I'm not because my wife is
Jewish. So she's even a real one. Sefati, Levi, she's the
same name as Moses. So she's actually not an Askenazi. She's
a real semi. So they can't it's gonna be hard to call me that,
right. But I'm certainly certainly an anti Zionist. And
now we have a chance. Because they do they defending the right
to defend yourself does not mean that you can break the Geneva
Convention. It does not mean you can kill children. It does not
mean it. Nowhere does it say if you feel like it, you can break
the common human rights, you can break natural law, you can break
the Geneva Convention. If, if, if you can make up a phony story
about 40, behead babies, which is not true. But if you can make
it up, and it looks right, you make a good Hollywood movie about
it, and it looks credible, and you can and you can buy all the
news agencies in the world, tell the story. And you can you can
you can make it credible that maybe someone had done that, then
you're allowed to go in and kill 5000 there are right now there
are 1000 so I'm a little bit agitated because there are 1000
kids in right now in the rubble in Palestine right now. So I'm a
little bit agitated because I'm appalled with a lot of freedom
fighters.
So Matt, so Matt, so Matt, let's I started by saying, anyone who
questions what Israel is doing is then accused of being
anti semitic. Now, I don't want to go and we're not going to go
into analyzing Israel, Palestine, because you go,
you're going bigger. Okay, so you say, how do we deal with
this? Don't deal with inflation, deflation, you don't know what's
going to happen. How do we get rid of the mouth? Let me accept
those terms. But the problem, the problem, we have to go for
the root of the problem. The root of the problem is that
United States are not adhering to to the Geneva Convention,
they're not abiding to any international court of law,
court of treaties, whatever. They even say out loud, if ever
any American soldier commits a war crime, and he's taken to
the international court of hate, we're going to bomb that place,
we're going to rescue them. Obama said that. Okay, so they
stated they don't do it. And the problem is that they have dual
citizenship. How can you have a country where the Federal
Reserve is run by people who are Israeli and American dual
citizens? How can you have a country where they almost their
entire Congress, I don't know how many half of them, whatever,
are dual citizens? That's a problem. And they do not adhere
to the Geneva Convention. One day, it's okay to go in and kill
Gaddafi and go into another country's internal affairs,
because allegedly he killed his own people. It turned out it was
not true. It was a fake rumor started by one person from
Amnesty International. It was not true. But then it was okay to
go in. Another time in Ukraine, where 15,000 civilians are being
murdered by the government, you even have politicians standing on
the parliament in Ukraine saying, we will, the Russian
speaking kids shall live in basements, because we'll bomb
them. And then they bombed them for eight years. And then it's
wrong to interfere. So which one is it? Can you interfere in a
country's internal or not? And the Americans, they do whatever
they please. And they do that because they can play the Holocaust
card. They can call you an anti-Semite if you're criticizing
them. And then they control the money press so they can also
bankrupt you. And that is the problem. And I think we should
use the chance we have now, where it's clear for everybody to see
what they are. They are genocidal madmen. You have people standing
in parliament in Israel saying we should, that the Palestinians
are animals, and they should be slaughtered and genocided, all
of them. I'm not saying it. There are people who are in
parliament who are saying that. And that is not okay. And I
don't care what anybody in this group says about that. If anybody
says this, that that is okay, they should be thrown out of
this group immediately.
No, listen, listen, settle down. No one is being thrown out of
this group. Number one. Number two, this group has talked for
the depopulation agenda that's on it. It's far more than the
number of Palestinians of Jim Thorpe. Sorry. Jim Thorpe says
50 million people have been killed so far, right by this
genocidal cabal. So let's go to who these people are. Who are
these people? Because David Webb talks about these people in his
book, but doesn't name them. I we've shared charts in this
group, about how the global cabal is organized, of who's who
these players are. David doesn't name them. Any comments
from others?
So Matt, I was just thinking, so what you're saying, Matt, to
get so we can't plan in times of serious crime, is that right? And
actually, that's not the problem anyway.
I mean, we should stop, we should stop, you know, throwing
water on a fire, we should we should catch the guy who's
putting fire on the house. It's that simple. Who is that? Come
on. People who are breaking. If you don't adhere to the Geneva
Convention, we should all come together against them. If they
are Muslims, we should go against them. If they're
Americans, we should go against them.
Come on. Come on. You want solutions. We should all come
together to push back against evil. We're all that's why we're
on this group. This group.
Exactly. That's my point. Yeah, that's my point. But you are an
anti-Semite.
But hang on.
You should be allowed to kill Palestinian children.
Where are we after truth, ethics, justice, freedom and
health? It's great to say that's what Dr. Shiva says in his swarm
video. So I said at the start, hey, a million of these guys are
playing 8000 million of us. So the question is, I agree with
Mads, everybody, this is an abundant world. It's an
extraordinarily abundant world, unless we're busy killing each
other.
If I may,
Oh, sorry.
So I agree with with Mads sentiment. I don't agree with
emotional outrage, because, you know, emotional outrage hasn't
helped us solve anything. And we've been treated to things
that generate emotional outrage for centuries. This is this is
not the first episode. I think that, you know, naming who the
enemy is, is very difficult by name by individual names. I
could try but I think that the guiding principle, to me is
something that George Soros said in one of the recent Davos
speeches that he gave. And that is, he said very correctly, that
the conflict is between two systems of governance. This is a
very important thing to keep in mind, two systems of governance.
So there's a system. It's not, you know, people say the Jews,
the Jesuits, the Freemasons, the Illuminati, that this that, you
know, these theories have been going around for decades and
centuries. And we never fixed anything by going after labels
and groups, including the Jews.
So buying gold is good, and farmland is good. That's the
solution.
Well, no, Mads. But you know, if they if we lose food product,
men are free, when they are free, and they have autonomous
access to food. If they deprive us of food, then we're not free.
James Madison said, power over a man's sustenance is the power
over his will. So protecting our own purchasing power, our
maneuvering space, our food production, farmland should be
regarded as strategically important as a way to overcome
this evil. Going out in the street, venting our frustrations
and emotions isn't it's been done before. It doesn't work.
Totally disagree.
Okay, well, I can I can give you centuries worth of track record
of this kind of action producing absolutely nothing. London was
chock full of demonstrations. In the run up to World War One. The
war went on anyway. And millions of people died. People
understood what was going on. They protested.
Excuse me. We stopped the lawn epidemics in Copenhagen with our
pots and pans demonstrations. The Icelandic stopped the
Icelandic banksters with their pots and pans. So yeah, so I can
give you just two examples right there where it works. And I can
assure you it works.
Sure.
I'm fucking scared right now. Because of all the demonstrations
all over the world pro Palestine right now, they are showing the
whole world is now being brave enough to talk out against the
Zionists. Everybody's so afraid for being called as an anti
semi. Everybody's afraid or not being able to have a bank account
because the bank manager is sucking up to some Zionists who
are controlling the banking system, right? So yes, it does.
You have we have to speak out and if more people will speak
out, we will get our freedom. But if everybody's sitting on
their on their fence and thinking about buying farmland or buying
gold, whatever they should buy so that they can survive what
everybody else is saying,
may I say something? May I say something? Yes. I am so glad to
see that has not lost his piss and vinegar. It's great to see.
I have been thinking about the same things. It's the fact is,
there is no place to hide from this. I've reached that
conclusion. You you can't invest your way out of this. You know,
and so I'm very reluctant to even talk about it in terms of
what you should do. And that's why in the book, I don't go into
that. Because it's about something much bigger than that.
Ultimately, we have to face up to this. And that's what Mads is
talking about. You you know, you really can't you can't make
yourself safe. So you know, there's that quote, you know,
something like the only thing that is needed for evil to
triumph is for good men to do nothing. And by just worrying
about how you're going to invest and get safe, you're doing
nothing to face up to this. You can't run from this. It's like
this friend of mine, you know, I've cited this very intelligent
guy, very wealthy. He said, What can we do to protect our
investments? Nothing. We just have to stop them. Ultimately,
this is the conclusion. And this is what Mads is talking about.
You know, years from now, if we live that long, we're going to
look back and wish we had used the little freedom we have now
to do something. And, you know, of course, as Alex is saying,
it's a matter of what what do you do? Of course, you shouldn't
do ineffective things. And this is what Mads is saying, it is
possible to do effective things and Mads has done them. He
personally marshaled the resources and it's hurting cats
to get people to cooperate. But he personally back down the
pandemic law in Denmark, he personally ended the lockdowns in
Denmark, which was the first country to come out of lockdowns
and then the whole thing collapsed after that. It is
possible to do these things.
Steven, sorry to interrupt, I wasn't even supposed to
participate. But if it's okay with everyone, if I can have five
minutes of everybody's time, I'd like to give my opinion if
that's okay. If not, it's not a problem. Just keep listening.
So Charles, I did say to Daniel, we spoke earlier that he could
join in for a couple of questions. So
can I have five minutes? I think I can add something.
I've been waiting here patiently. I've been waiting
patiently. I just want to know. There are four of us invited to
speak here. And I really think if you want to listen to us,
fine, I'll go if you don't want to listen to me.
Gary, you go ahead. And Daniel, you're out.
David wasn't
everybody on this call is doing what Mads is requesting.
Everybody on this call is working very hard to defeat the
criminal cabal that runs this world, right? So don't get upset.
Everybody's work I work 25 hours a day, seven days a week on that
task. And so does Charles. So Mads, calm down. Calm your anger.
We're all on your side. We're all working very hard against the
cabal. I would just tell you that the people are slowly,
slowly learning who the criminal cabal is very slowly.
They are becoming exposed.
And that's what we have to do is expose the criminal cabal.
Now, people are just slowly learning what's happening.
Three years ago, I never heard anyone talk about designers.
I never heard anyone talk about the what happened to the Nazis
after World War Two. I tried to get people to talk about all of
those things. Nobody was interested.
Okay, but now I'm hearing these conversations amongst people I'd
never would have thought would have considered. My, you know, my
relatives are asking me, Jerry, can you explain what's what's
happening? Who is behind all of this? They are becoming exposed.
We are starting to win. We're definitely winning. So we just
have to keep working as individuals doing the best we
can. And in isolating these people and changing their
approach to running this planet. Now, I, if you have a look at my
editorial in my finance newsletter this week, the first
thing I start with this week is the story that occurred to the
DeWitt brothers in 1672, where the people, Johan DeWitt was a
very successful politician. He was running the Netherlands. They
had a golden period. Everything was wonderful, economically, or
so they say in the history books. But the people rose up. By the
way, Johan DeWitt won three elections in a row. Okay, so he
was a very successful politician, very successful
Prime Minister. But the people, the people rose up, and they
tore him apart and his brother apart, and they ate him. They
were eaten in the streets. When the people come, be fearful. And
in my editorial this week, I said this, I said, there is a
lesson here today for all politicians of government,
unelected bankers, and unelected officials in globalist NGOs,
non government organizations who seek great power, always
consider and respect the people, or else. The power is in the
people. We are waking the people up. We are starting to win. We
are starting to isolate and identify the criminal cabal. I
appreciate your anger, but anger is not going to get us there.
We've got to organize, we've got to know what we're doing. And all
of us are becoming very aware of the task at hand. I don't think
there's much doubt about that. So there is an awakening
occurring. There is no doubt in my mind. Now, that we,
nonetheless, if we finally isolate the criminal cabal, we
will still have to have a financial system to run our
economies. So it's, it's quite okay to have a discussion about
that as well. On top of all this, if we can get through this
stage, we could then have a talk about, well, what is the perfect
economy and what is the perfect financial system. But everybody is
on your side, Mads, nobody's fighting against you.
All right. Thank you for that statement.
Alex saying something. Sorry, David was saying something and
then he got interrupted. I think he never finished. So I just
go ahead, David.
No, I think I had my say. I just before I came to this call, I was
sensing, feeling that we, it's very important to realize that
there's no place to hide from this. It's as simple as that.
It's as simple as that. There's no place that that is the simple
truth. So we, you, we can't, you know, it's not a matter of the
things we do or don't do to protect ourselves. And this is
Mads frustration is so many people are asleep, of course, but
then even people that are waking up to what are happening, what's
happening, I get these questions all the time. People saying, well,
what should I do then? You know, how am I going to, what should I
do with my IRA? You know, these, these questions like this, which
is, oh my God, you know, come on, realize what we are facing. So it,
and it really isn't for me to tell people specifically what to do.
You know, you have to dig down deep to figure out what to do on a
personal level, to get through this time to not despair. That's the
big thing to not despair. You know, don't do things for financial
reasons that are going to destroy your happiness, your family. You
know, it's not about finances. You know, this we're dealing with
something much bigger than that. So, so it's it, to me, it's about
getting awareness. Look, we've all been there where we were the
only person in the room that kind of understood what was happening,
and there was no one we could talk to. And then you get to the point
where there are two, there's somebody else you can talk to, but
all the other people in the room don't get it. We have to get to
the point where the majority of the people in the room understand.
And this is what Jerry is saying, is we're starting to get to the
point where the majority of the people in the room are understanding.
But but now we have to push that up to the people at the top of the
system, especially the support layer that is abetting everything
that is happening. All this can just stop. I know it's hard to
believe. It's hard to believe. But none of this, they're all
constructs. None of it is real. The real world is beautiful. This
is what Mads is saying. The real world is abundant. They are
creating deprivation. And it is set to go off. They're orchestrating
this banking crisis right now. But we mustn't go back to our
particular personal. There's a balance here because you have to
maintain yourself and take care of your family and your well-being.
Of course. But we can't stop. We can't get overly distracted with
that because ultimately there will be no place to hide. Even if
you've done all the right things, there will be no place to hide
from this. So we have to use the time we have while we have any
freedom to break this awareness thing. Okay, I'm done.
Steve, can I have five minutes or no? Because I got to go.
Yeah, I think you can have it now as long as nobody else objects. I
mean the guests, Daniel.
I'll be very quick. Okay, for those who don't know, I come from
the world of military counterintelligence. I'm a former
colonel of military counterintelligence. So, the last
24 years, I've dedicated a lot of my work to specifically the
things that you guys are talking about. The key element here is
the element of control. Control system, I guess, of the deep
state. And the reality is that every system that we create is
an opportunity for those with the greatest power to build more
control into the system and more dependence on the system.
And so the benefit of each system often comes to the price
that relates to control. It's always about control. We have
amazing smartphones, everybody has one of these things that
gives access to immense amount of information, useful
information, instant communication. But also it comes
to the price, we have mind control, you have predatory
capitalism, we have surveillance. So it's always a
double-edged sword. And if you kind of look throughout history,
control has been progressively reinvented and reinvented as
response to the introduction of new technologies, we're going to
go back to the Roman period. And so clearly today with the
digital technology, decentralization, that has
exploded over the past 20 to 30 years. And it's really has come
to this point, if you look at where we're heading, it raises
the question about the very existence of human civilization.
There's that scene in Matrix, okay, where Morpheus says, the
matrix is a system now. And the system is our enemy, but when
you're inside, and you look around, what do you see? You see
businessmen, you see teachers, you see lawyers, you see
carpenters, the very minds of the people we're trying to say,
but until we do these people are still part of that system. And
that makes them our enemy. And so you have to understand that
most of these people, they're not ready to be unplugged, so to
speak. And many of them are so, you know, in you are so
obviously dependent on the system, that they will do
anything of their power to fight you against what's best for them
to protect themselves from you, not from the system. And so the
first step is to face the fact that we don't know, and we must
know when the second step is to have the faith that enough of us
people can work together as Matzah said, and as David said,
to work together with this positive vision of human
civilization, and also human future sufficient so that we can
actually figure it out. And someone said, there's, you know,
through three years ago, nobody talked about this. Well, a lot
of people, you know, talking about this now right now, yes,
still not enough. But if we can get enough smart people together
to do this, we can indeed figure it out. And so the important
thing that we need to know is that this governance system
operates and controls by force. And force is the beginning at
the end of how it controls forces the bedrock. Okay, it's
not it's not software, it's a gun pointing at your head. And
it's the ultimate enforcement mechanism, they kill people with
impunity, and the people who control do so because they can
kill you with absolute impunity as they've killed the president
of the United States as I've killed Gaddafi, and they've
killed whoever they can kill. That means that they can kill
without regard for the law. Because there's absolutely no
accountability under our laws in the Western world, and they
kill as a result of that. And it's absolutely true that in a
Western world force the brute force rarely shows its face,
because it's always better and cheaper to use financial, legal,
political system to control the people to do the dirty work. And
of course, another key of control is this information,
fake news, fake science, fake history, fake everything.
According to Donald Trump, the you know, World War Two was won
by the United States. And so there's this endless number of
visible and visible systems used to achieve control these days,
and the effectiveness of all these systems. What does it
depend on? On the ability to maintain physical force and
control. I want to remind you of a quote from Samuel Hulting, he
said, the West won the world not by the superiority of its ideas
and values or religion to which a few members of other
civilization were converted by rather by the superiority in
applying organized violence. Westerners often forget this,
non Westerners never do. And so if you kind of look at how the
governing system works, the establishment can and has
literally assassinated the presidents in broad daylight.
When the establishment wants to go to war, but they can, you
know, an engineer false flag operation, killing thousands of
Americans beat 9-11 or, you know, the the Gulf of Tonkin is
whatever the fuck it is, it doesn't really matter. And when
you want to establish gun control, well, you can go out
and kill children in schools. I have all these kinds of wars,
wars on drugs, wars on whatever, on terror, war on COVID. But
again, remember, control always starts with hardware, not
software. We've been talking about the world, we live in a
world where everybody talks about computers and artificial
intelligence. It's not computers. It's grounded in the
ability to kill and control physical world. And if you
don't believe that, have a look at Goddafi. And of course, the
global reserve currency, one of the greatest control mechanisms
ever created is controlled by the people who control the
physical flows of information, they control the physical flow
of trade, analog, not digital. They control the ceiling, they
control the cables on the ocean's floor. They control the
satellites, they control the drones that fly above them. They
control the physical force and the means to produce the
physical force necessary to protect and maintain these hard
assets. Because this control gives them the ability to apply
financial sanctions to countries that depend on access to what to
this flow of trade. And again, I repeat, it depends on physical
force. But physical force is not an effective control mechanism,
because it's very expensive. And it scares the living bejesus out
of the herd, and it inspires vengeance, which is why the most
effective and economic control system is mind control. And if
you have your own mind, then you can navigate the road ahead. If
you don't control your own mind, you believe all the shit they
tell you around you, the media, the business environment,
political level.
Daniel, can I ask you, can I ask you a question? Yeah, this is an
idea I've been working with, that we have actually reached a
major turning point in human history. I accept everything
you're saying. But is it possible that they have now
reached kind of an ultimate point, where by it's the sin of
hubris reaching a point where they were going for total control
of all people globally, that this results in a collapse of their
power, because divide and rule no longer works. If you're going
to injure all people, all the way to the top of the system,
under this insane logic that they must control everyone
everywhere, divide and rule collapses for perhaps the first
time. We know, we know people don't care if someone else is
having white phosphorus dubbed on them. You know, they, they
don't. It's very sad, but it's true. But if everyone is being
injured at the same time, and that awareness can be grown,
that we're at a turning point.
We're absolutely at a turning point, David. But there's first
of all, the problem for them right now for the elite is they
don't have the language to explain what's coming, you know,
around the bend. Language, I don't mean English or Spanish or
Russian, or Indian or Hindu. I mean, the language of the
economy, they don't have that they can't explain, because
what's happening right now is only happened twice in the
history of mankind. The first time between the fourth and the
sixth century, when the old Roman Empire collapsed and
feudalism came about, and that thousand years later, between
the 16th and 17th centuries, when feudalism collapsed and
modern capitalism, which today is on its deathbed came around.
So they don't have the language for the first time in history to
explain something which is happening too fast for them to
respond to. And so we do have a role to play in this. But there
are several things we need to do speaking of solutions. One of
them is responsibility, which means that you are responsible
for you and it all starts with you. And after responsibility
comes integrity. So once you take responsibility, you have
to be absolutely ruthless about who you're associated with. And
so in this kind of an environment, with increasing
lawlessness and increasing corruption globally, many things
are changing at once. So there's a lot of disruptions.
So then you have to kind of associate to the extent possible
with people who have integrity. That means that they're both
competent and they're moral. And make sure you know, you
encourage your friends and associates to do the absolutely
the same thing, because it takes one incompetent or untrustworthy
person to destroy, you know, the time and energy you've put into
building a community. And I'm always shocked. Okay, when
someone says that, you know, for example, they're still banking
with HSBC, or Citibank or Coords Bank, there's a phrase, a crime
that pays is a crime that stays. Okay, you invest in companies
that sell goods that kill people, you're contributing to
their well being, which means they're working against you. And
they have no reason to change the model. So, for example,
speaking of the banking, you have all these wonderful banks,
hardworking, honest, local, which are investing in local
economies, there's no reason to have, you know, your money in
big banks. Why do people think that you're having your money in
HSBC or Chase Bank bank is safe? You know, and the other thing,
again, if you look at the population, it's between the
people who are willing to deal with reality and want to make
real changes, which is why I suppose this group is all about
and people who don't. And I think it's very important that
we focus time and associations on the people who are eager to
understand what's happening. And sometimes they may ask
impertinent questions, sometimes may take them a while to
actually figure things out in their own way doesn't matter.
Okay, they've taken the first right step, they want to do
good, which is obviously the counter opposite of what these
people want to do. So the world is changing, obviously. And we
don't have the time to bring a lot of people who, you know, who
want to argue with you about stupid shit that has nothing to
do with the changes, who want to convince you that Prime Minister
Trudeau is a good guy, and he thinks of his Canadians because
before he goes to bed, let them be. We must focus our attention
because we have no time as much as possible on people who want to
join what we're working towards. And then we have to enforce the
law. Because we're coming to this inflection point. And our
big problem is that, you know, we are financing these control
systems. And if you finance people to control and destroy
you, well, then you know, they're going to destroy and
control you. And that is the question, that is something the
reality you have to grapple with, you know, each of us in
our own way. And we have to be as individual communities.
Okay, but we're back. I mean, we're back to talking about
small personal issues, which is, I mean, of course, it's
important that we don't despair and we have, we can get through
this. But the big issue is backing this down. And because
ultimately, if it you know, the longer this runs, you know, the
worse it's going to be for everybody and you and you can't
on a personal level deal with it. It we're, we're it is, it is a
matter of we can't shrink from figuring out how to how to
diffuse this on a big scale. There's no alternative. And I'm
going back to what you were just saying, they, the quote unquote,
they don't even have an idea of what is going to happen after
this. You can just see that they're struggling themselves.
They they don't really have a clue of what is about to happen.
And that that is kind of my big point is they have come to this
point that none of us, including the people at the top of the
system should should want to have this thing go off, because it
is going to be bad for everyone. And then cycling back to what
Mads is saying, the real world is just fine. This is all being
made to happen. All the wars are being made to happen. We know
what has just happened in Israel is being made to happen. What
happened in Ukraine was being made to happen. The the banking
failures that are about to happen are all being made to
happen. And every everything would be fine. I have this image
of all the bumper cars on the you know, the amusement park, you
know, ride where you drive the cars around. And if the juice
stops, you know, to the cars, everybody just gets out of the
cars, you know, everything's fine. And it's, it's we we, we
we need to help. We need to help even the people at the top of
this system. I know Mads Mads is a fighter, you know, he's going
to take things on. And I respect that. And these focused actions
are very important. But ultimately, we have to just
expand this awareness that what is happening is, it's very
simple. It's a stupid idea that they're running. I know, I know
what you're saying that it's, it's, I mean, it's frightening
what you're saying about the use of violence. We see it, we're
and I think there is this layer of people in the structure.
They're killers, they're criminal. But those are not the
people that are actually at the top of the system. They're
people that are in all of the military, intelligence, all the
all the operations. And once the funding to them stops, it stops,
like the bumper cars.
Yeah, so thank you, David. Sorry, so I can't decide. So Jerry, do
you want to speak and Alex, I think and maybe Matt's again.
Daniel, can we just get their comments of what you've said?
Jerry first.
Yeah, I'll tell you things. Look, it's not a secret. The
criminal cabal are seeking to achieve two things, as David
pretty much talked about number one, they're seeking to achieve
immortality through transhumanist technology.
They are seeking to enslave and control every other person on
the planet. What's hard to understand about these two things,
this is their aim. Right? Now, three years ago, let alone
knowing what the aims of this group were, 99% of people didn't
even know they existed. They're all starting to realize that they
do exist, that there is an evil criminal cabal who's seeking to
control them and seeking to seeking their own immortality and
some sort of ruling or be the ruling class basis. Now, David is
correct. It is a really dumb plan. Really stupid. I mean,
number one, technology, we're nowhere near technology that can
keep a human being alive. It's impossible. Right? It's an
impossible dream. How stupid is that? And number two, why would
you want to control all the people? How dumb is that? These
people are idiots. They're complete idiots. And we have to
make this plan to everybody on the planet, how stupid they are.
And when we when that happens, people will start to demand
their arrest. People will say, I want this man arrested, and
they'll stand in front of the parliament and I'll demand it in
their millions. And then he will be arrested and we all know who
these men are, right? And no secret really. And that's when
everything will start changing. But when it all changes, we'll
still have to have a financial system to run our economy. So we
could have a pleasant conversation about that as well,
if we want to, or we can carry on with this political discourse.
I don't mind either way. But the fact is, it's David is it
correct? It's stupid. It's dumb. They're idiots. They're
psychopaths. They only think about themselves and nobody
else. And we have to eventually get to the point where millions
of people are standing in front of their politicians saying, we
want these men arrested and tried for their crimes. And if
you don't, we'll come into that parliament and we will tear you
apart and eat you like we did in 1672 in the Netherlands. We've
got to get to that's where we've got to get to. We've got to get
the people to demand change and it will come. We're getting
there. We are actually winning. There's no doubt in my mind,
we're winning. And we've just got to keep working hard every
day. I work 25 hours a day, seven days a week, I have done
three years, my, my pay scale is a very big round number. And I
know that most people, many people on this call are the
same. They're working tirelessly to achieve this. And we've got
to just keep working. And I tell everybody this, just do what you
can do as a person personally, and walk into the bathroom every
morning and look in the mirror and find your leader is the
leaders in the mirror, you have to live with yourself at the end
of all of this. And you have to feel that you've morally
satisfied your your responsibility to your families
and people around you your nation. This is not an easy
task. We're at the very beginning of this struggle. I
say 10 to 30 years struggle. We're just scratching the
surface, but we're starting to win. That's my excellent
speech.
Jerry, thank you. Alex, do you want to say something?
I would I would I would like to go back to Charles's original
question. And I will reassert my answer. So Charles, you sold
your house, you got 200,000 bucks. You should buy some
gold and silver. You should buy some farmland. And somebody
mentioned in the chat something about guns. And then Daniel came
in and Daniel reaffirmed and buy some guns. And now since we you
know, since we're no longer talking about personal issues,
but systemic issues, I will explain why this is still
extremely important and valid. Because, you know, if everybody,
every last person poured out into the street to protest and
demand this and that change. Some of the changes will happen,
but guess what people will get hungry and thirsty. If you have
farmland, and you're raising your chickens, and maybe your
neighbor is raising goats and making goat cheese, and that the
other neighbor has potatoes and so on. If they froze everybody
else's accounts, bank accounts, people will still be able to
exchange food and favors. If people had some silver and gold,
they would be able to spawn gray and black markets. Guess what?
We just built a parallel system over which they have no control.
Something about gray and black markets is extremely powerful.
Because they evolve spontaneously as real true free
markets. A they become very attractive for people buying
stuff because they're cheap. Because you don't pay
transaction taxes, you don't pay income taxes, you don't pay any
kind of taxes. B they become extremely attractive to
entrepreneurs. Because they get to make profits and don't pay
taxes to the government. So you have created a system to ditch
the system. If you look at Argentina, which used to be a
military dictatorship, today 40% of Argentina's GDP is
conducted on a black market. In Venezuela, it's more than 50% of
the GDP. I think it's about 60% of the GDP is conducted on black
markets. It is not because the governments like that. It's
because they have no control over it. They cannot put that
genie back into the bottle because it's too big. It's too
important to the people. And if you talk to people who live in
Argentina, you can buy everything and anything on the
black market. So it solves people's existential problems
and it disempowers the system. So you know, here in Croatia,
we're losing food production, because the system is going
around inventing these diseases and it kills people's pigs. They
invented some African swine plague, and they've destroyed
people's swine pig. So it's going to be really important
for the people who can, who have the legal tender to convert
that legal tender into farmland and gold and silver and guns to
be able to create the parallel systems. We're not going to be
able to change and reform the system that's in place. It's too
ossified. It's too deeply entrenched. And it does use
violence indiscriminately and without any scruple and without
any control against us. Mads mentioned the success of the
Icelanders with the demonstration to throw over
through all the government of the bankers there. That was great.
But then they fell right into the lockdowns. And now they're
one of the most, most highly vaccinated populations in the
world. So they, they, they solved one problem, and then they
fell into the next one, because they didn't create a parallel
system. So there, you know, on a personal level, you need, you
need maneuvering space, and you need to have choices when your
bank account is blocked, and there's no food in the
supermarkets, unless you're compliant with everything. And
B, when people have maneuvering space individually, then they
can create parallel systems that completely disempower the, the,
you know, the, the, the matrix that is that is oppressing us.
That's, that's that done.
Well said, Alex, thank you. Now. Now we've got some hands up. We're
gonna have an hour and a half. Wonderful. And Matt's gonna come
hang on, Steve.
Charles, can we let Mads have a say?
No, hang on. I'm saying I'm saying something. Yeah. Now. Now,
the comment has been made by a number of people about person. I
like what Daniel said about personal responsibility, what
Alex said personal. And Jerry said, we're all doing stuff. And
I remind you of what Buckminster Fuller said, that each one of us
on this call, you have to do what you uniquely see needs to be
done. That's what you have to do. As Jerry said, you look in the
mirror, Mads is looking in the mirror, he's taken steps. And
there are there are as a law as a former lawyer, now as a legal
strategist, there are steps that we can take. And one thought I
want to share with you all is this question of do you take a
defensive mindset or an attacking mindset? And that's
what this conversation is around, around the sale of a
house or what you do with your current assets. And, and that is
a deeply personal, was it Alex said, or anyway, it's deeply
personal, if you've got $2 million, or if you've got a
house, why wouldn't you fund action against the cabal? Why
wouldn't you invest half your assets in a string of legal
cases? Why wouldn't you do that? Because you I hear on this call
people complaining and I complain about lawyers not doing
anything because I'll only do it for money. Good. Well, if
you've got money, get lawyers to do stuff. You say lawyers are
a waste of time. If you want guns, buy guns, give guns to
people. So, so do your own thinking as Daniel Estreland
says, I say take responsibility, stop whinging that nothing's
happening. Do something, create a movement as mads did, I think
with the hitting of the tin of the pots, mads, you know,
that's what the universe what God demands of each one of us.
So mads comment and then we're going to go to questions soon.
But I love the comments.
Okay, a comment. Yeah, so I think, I think it was a lot of
very, very good comments from everybody. So I really like the
way that this meeting has turned out. I really enjoy that.
And and what it was I want to say now I'm going to be like
Stephen Frost. But but I had a comment. I'll come back with that
when I come back to me. So let's just go to the questions. That's
fine.
Excellent.
Stephen, so should we go to questions? Stephen, you got a
couple of questions. We've got an hour of questions. I think we
get some great questions from people on this call. Stephen,
you want to start with questions and then we'll
let someone else speak. I haven't got any particular
questions at the moment. So I was kind of listening to all
these comments from these great minds and and as usual, I find
myself agreeing with whoever's speaking and so but they're not
saying the same things but actually they're getting closer.
That's a great, very good line. Lou, let's go with you Lou,
Mark and Jim and John and Glenn. We've got plenty of hands up.
Let's go. You're on mute, Lou. Lou, you're on mute.
Unmute. Thank you. Thank you. Oh, it's so good to hear me
speaking now. I've got to tell you. Good comments from
everybody. Yes. And and and and it's not either or existentialism
was mentioned earlier. I studied Kierkegaard's works,
either or and others and and consider myself a Christian
existentialist if such a thing exists. And and so it's and and
both. And and and and you know what we know that the the
powers that be will will infiltrate and will subvert our
efforts to change because while change is the one certainty,
it's also the thing most difficult for us as individuals
because we get in comfort zones. We've got our physiological
needs met for food, clothing and shelter. We've got our
psychological needs, especially with our with our wives and
daughters and our sisters to feel safe and secure. And only
then only then, you know, Bertolt Brecht said food first,
then morals. So morals are related to our higher order
needs that Abraham Maslow identified for us, belongingness
needs as we're meeting here. Thanks to you and Stephen.
Thank you so much again. And Tom Rodman as well. And then
self actualization, like, you know, listening is more
important than talking. And that's why I talk so I can really
listen to myself now. I'm really feeling like I'm self actualizing
right now. Thank you.
Well said.
Okay, I remember my short comment I wanted to say if I
can, Charles.
Yep, yeah, man.
No, I just wanted to say that these last eight years where I've
been fighting literally on the streets and with videos and
the newsletters and notices of liabilities and talking to
people making conferences and everything. There's one thing
that I want to say that is a little bit counterintuitive. And
that is the people in the system are really, really good.
Surprisingly, in Denmark, the police meet me with a big smile,
a lot of help, very helpfulness. And when I make a demonstration
in front of the health authorities, they come out and
talk to me. And and and yes, we meet, you know, in your face, I
mean, I'm saying that they are doing something wrong and they
come on, they show we are it's a confrontation, we then work on
them, we send them emails with a lot of information and they,
they actually listen. I will say the following statement. People
in the system, they are good people, they want to do the
right thing. So it works to demonstrate it works to write
notices of liabilities, it works to write letters to them, they
listen to us. And I can say from personal experience, what I also
can say to my big surprise is just because someone goes into a
group of freedom fighters, and for a couple of weeks says the
right things, does not mean they're not a saboteur who wants
to destroy you and the group. Now that I also have a lot of
experience in. If I can say 99% of what people have been
fighting against me has been people in either infiltrating my
own groups I have started and parties or other freedom groups.
And I would say not I don't want to say a lot of help from people
in the system. And that is counterintuitive. But that
proves that it that that that they are fighting us and they
have big pockets, they fight us with deception, and with
infiltration. They've done this for hundreds of years, hundreds
of years. And it also proves that that the evil bastards,
everything is compartmentalized, people don't know people in the
system don't know that the vaccines are supposed to kill a
lot of people, they don't know about it. They honestly believe
that they're doing the right thing. And this is something
that that is my experience, which I did not expect I will
sit and say here eight years later. Thank you.
Thank you, meds. Thank you. Lou Mark Steele.
Fantastic to see the passion. Really good. One of the best
talks we've had open now I like to see people getting a bit
excited. It was a very good lot of very good information being
put out. What I want is what I'd like to say is obviously this
what we can identify is the 5G warfare plan. This was a plan
that they had to exterminate the large proportion of the
population, not only just exterminated, but take that
property. We're in the middle of it, we are far too early. We're
far too early for their plan. And there's lots of people are
going to die. A lot of people have taken the the biochemical
weapon and I call it a vaccine. And it is interconnected with
the 5G network for the extermination using the atomic
seizure. So most of the people in the system who have taken the
shot, if given the correct information, I can tell you now
why they would want to carry on with it is going to be a serious
problem for them. A solution to the issues that we face, I
believe, are number one, getting large numbers of people in an
area to access land, but to secure the asset of the land by
having large numbers of people who can basically defend it
because food and water is the most important thing in these
times. Secondly, security of that asset, and you can only do
that with bodies with people and people who are going to be want
to do something if things get out of hand, which I've got no
doubt. What's happening with the migration? Some of these young
migrants being trained now by certain military bases in the
UK. It's probably a very similar model going on around the rest
of Europe. We're going to see some interesting things going
forward, but I think we're far too early. The information of
CART is truly out of the bag. The globalist are planning a
mass extermination. You can see a lot of the narrative is starting
to wobble. And I think what we'll have to do is we'll have
to push harder. One of the things I'm pretty positive about
from a weapons perspective, offence is always best form of
defence. In the military terms, it's exactly the same. You don't
want to be in a defensive position when you've got the
potential to go on the offensive. And we absolutely have
that, whether it be legal tactics, whether it be getting
people together. There's lots of things that can be done
offensively in relation to this. I mean, I've been advising
people who, a lot of the lads who've been chopping down the
ULS cameras in London, there's quite a few of them across the
UK are starting to be chopped down. Anybody who gets arrested
for that, I can show that that's not a camera, it's a
multi-photon ionised radiation weapon, radar gun. Consequently,
they have defence in law, because that's part of a weapon
system. It's part of a digital city prison that they're planning
an extermination. So all of that sort of information given to
these guys. So if they then get arrested for what the police
would say is criminal damage, they actually have a defence to
that. Because obviously, it's part of a weapons programme, you
have a defence in any state across the world, you have a
self-defence, and you have a defence to criminal damage. If
you believe that that equipment is there to cause significant
property or bodily harm. And that's what so that's you know,
that there's all these things that we can really start to put
the pressure on because the cat's totally out the bag now.
The plans there, we saw what happened with the COVID-19 thing,
who will things are coming back?
That's commentary. Let's get some comments from our speakers.
Excellent. Well, well put. Self-defence, everybody. It's a
great, it's a great line. And one of the issues that I meant to
raise that Mark talks about with communities is in Australia,
there's a big unitization of farmland, Alex, where
communities are coming together. And there's a structure being
created where up to 70, 80 people are buying one 70th of a
farm that then gives them the right to come on to that farm.
It's a very interesting structure. I'll get the details
of it's also happening with I think in the UK. And it's it's
part of that strategy. So any further comments on what Mark
said? Alex, Mads, anybody? So in terms of the David, Gary,
makes sense. Good. All right, Mark, thank you. Thank you for
that. And, and the the help that you're giving to that community,
Mark and the 5G. I love you've mentioned it before. And, and the
other issue that one of our speakers, I can't remember who
it was, Stephen said, be willing to suffer. If we you know, the
enormity of what we're dealing with, if you're scared of
suffering, you won't do what needs to be done. And so making
that conscious decision, I am willing to suffer. And then what
Mads said about the people in Denmark during World War Two is
that I don't want to suffer. So I'm going to collaborate with
the Germans. That's the choice that we each have. Are you
willing to suffer? All right, Jim?
Hey, thanks very much. Great talk and very insightful. I put
some things in the chat. You've heard me talk before about the
background of, of the CEO of Pfizer Albert Borla, as, as his
specialty is, is vaccinating pigs and castrating that with
vaccine vaccination, utilizing a series of two shots. That's,
that is the specialty of Albert Borla castration of pigs with
vaccinations. And now he's the CEO of Pfizer, the, the head of
Moderna. Stephen Banshell, he is a biotechnologist. And his
specialty is, is connecting biotechnology with, with
treatments. Taking these two together, in conjunction with
what you have all been discussing, the inevitability of
the inevitability of Israel and Six Eyes, and I'll take it as
Six Eyes networks being involved in this issue. And exactly how,
and what the intelligence networks know, I put in the chat,
the CIA's paper on the difference in Ashkenazi versus
the biblical Hebrews. And that's a, that is a paper from the CIA
in some, some years ago. So the intelligence agencies know this,
genetic differences, and Benjamin Netanyahu may be
capitalizing on this. So naming who they are, who these people
are, is, we need to also talk about Anthony Blinken, who may
be, who is from the United States starting all these wars,
and his stepfather, Samuel Pissar, who was the, who was the
attorney for Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, a
British super spy, who ran all the medical journals through
Pergamon Press, including a formerly Butterworth Springer.
That brings us to finance. Everybody's talked about finance.
How do we, in terms of finance, how do we stop the financing if
it's being done through the medical industrial complex? In
the United States, we have this thing called the Inflation
Reduction Act, that is going to pay people to take medications
for on label use. How do we, and we know that the GPOs, the group
purchasing organizations, this gets a little technical, the
group purchasing organizations, like, like, like, like, like,
Cardinal Help, McKesson, Amerisource, Bergen, Vizient,
Premier, make billions of dollars. And when we asked Zeke
Emanuel why, he said, Senatorial and congressional campaigns are
expensive, both at a federal and state level, they cost billions
of dollars. And these PBMs and GPO group purchasing
organizations make billions and contribute to their campaigns.
And very recently, we found that these GPOs are sending their
money to Switzerland. So we know how they're financing the, the
elections, the fraud through medication prices. And that's
just one way. The other way is through Sam Bankman Fried, FTX.
So we know how to how it's being done. How do we stop these? How
do we stop the financing through healthcare? And the mandating
payments for FDA approved medications? Is that I don't know
if that's if anybody has a response to that in terms of what
we were talking about, and, and how to get rid of and what the
next step is, if healthcare is going to be so expensive for the
people who refuse to take the FDA approved medication? And
relating that to inflation.
All right, comments on Jim's thoughts.
I'll just say a few things about what Jim's always talking about,
which is the so called intelligence organizations, I
prefer to call them lack of intelligence organizations.
They're part of the really dumb, stupid plan. Very much a big
part of it. They have been controlled for a very long time.
In the Western world. And they are funded with many billions of
dollars. The US total funding for intelligence organizations
is of the order of $100 billion a year. And it's totally
unaccountable. We have no idea where they're spending this
money. And it's the same in Israel, it's the same in
Germany, it's the same in Australia, it's the same in
Canada. There's billions upon billions of dollars in the
world. There's billions upon billions upon billions of
dollars every year and over 10 years that is multiplied by 10.
And there's no accountability. We have no idea where they're
spending this money. So we need to actually start to demand that
they explain what they're doing. Because at the moment, 99% of
the population doesn't even know that the intelligence or so
of intelligence world exists. And 99% of the people don't know
what covert warfare is.
Does anybody know a guy named Victor Ostrowski, particularly
Daniel, who was talking about and can you relate to Victor
Ostrowski and unit 8200, unit 9900 and their involvement in
these or unit 90, unit 8200 graduate division, and their
involvement in this scheme to take down the world?
No, no answer, Jim. All right. Any no other comments? We'll go
to John Bodwin from Massachusetts. Just by the by
what Alex said, I think Mads said, what one of you said that
these guys who are the psychopaths trying to wipe us out
at the top. However, the middle managers, I think was you mads,
the people at the middle level with again, I mentioned the
Purdue farmer and the sackler family and Massachusetts
featured in that the sackler family diluted itself and said,
what we're doing is good. Once you make that decision, the
wiping out humanity is good. It justifies anything. And you
know, it was a salutary reminder that your basic foundational
belief system that enables anything to happen. So again, I
urge you to look at that book Empire of pain for a deep, deep
understanding if you have time of the issues that we're
dealing with the psychology of these middle manager levels in
these big organizations and in the intelligence communities.
John.
Hello, it's been a while. Um, let's see. I appreciate the
conversation today. It was good to be a fly on the wall and
listen to you guys talk. I missed the first 20 minutes or
so I apologize for future conversations like it. Talking
is good and people have to air air their grievances and the
knowledge that they have. So that people know that like the
next steps to take. Well, as far as the next steps I might
instead of ask a question offer that if you put a structure
around what you're trying to get out of a meeting such as this,
not this meeting, but after this meeting, you know, clear, clear
objectives, strategy tactics, so forth. We need people that can
organize logistics such as that and put backroom strategies
together because all these numbskulls out there who don't
know what's going on, they don't know what they don't know. And
if we're sitting here saying, well, we know what they don't
know. We sort of have a responsibility first to ourselves
and our families. But after that, to the other people that
when the shit hits the fan, they're going to be looking for
advice. And if you're not organized in a way to give them
succinct pertinent information for them to save themselves,
first secure food and water. If the government's trying to screw
with your food and water. In the United States, we now have to
worry in probably some European nations about there's gonna be
10 million fighting age men across the border by the time
Biden's done 10 million. Think about the size of your
countries. 10 million fighting age men. I'm not counting the
women and kids that are crossing. That's an invasion.
And our water supplies food, stay out of the cities. It's all
coming. And there's no stopping it. It's done. And the people
who don't understand what's going on are going to be
scratching their heads saying, gee, how did this happen? We
know how it happened. They voted for it. They demanded it. They
wanted it because they were propagandized into it. So I
agree with everything you're saying, you know, Mads, David,
the other guys. But putting together local communities, or
at least teaching people how to put together local communities,
getting to know your local police officers, befriending
their wives and families and kids, because they'll be less
apt to bludgeon you. If you get to know their families, become
bring them into your community. Otherwise, they become a tool
of the government. And there's no police in the world in the
history of man that hasn't been loyal to a paycheck over an
oath. The oath means nothing. Their loyalty is to their
paycheck. So anyway, I just thought I'd offer that putting a
structure around, you know, where you where you want to go
with a lot of the thoughts. I know people are angry here, I
could I could hear it in their voices. The way I look at it,
this is the nature of man. We were lucky to have grown up in
the last 50 years where there was nothing like this. I will
you can go back through all the wars in history in the various
locations. In the United States, we had the Civil War. And then I
was a 30 years later, there was a Spanish American war, which
was kind of a joke. We needed to go to war and prove that we're a
big country. Now you guys got to take us seriously in the world.
And then 20 years after that's World War One, and then another
25 years World War Two. And they're really, you know, Korea,
Vietnam, whatever. But for the last 50 years, there's been
generations of Americans that don't know what it's like at all.
I mean, Afghanistan stuff, we send some volunteers, people
don't realize this is the nature of man, for people to usurp power
to use it against others, to propagandize to get people to
divide people into factions, have them fight your wars for
you. This is the way it's always going to be. So be ready to
educate people, put a wrapper around it, put some structure to
it. And now that that's what I'm doing. That's what I intend to
do. Thanks. Thanks for listening. Sorry, I don't have a
question.
Thank you. Thank you, john. Very good. And it reminds me that in
Australia, john, someone has done just that one man is called
My Place Australia, there are over 200 communities, and Glenn
has done some good. We'll get here from getting a moment. But
My Place Australia 200 separate communities that are all got
basic principles for running, but they're not controlled from
head office. And it's wonderful to see and they meet weekly,
these My Place organizations to do precisely what you're saying.
So it's grown like a mushroom is very inspiring. Glenn.
I have a lot of interesting discussions, a lot of insight. I
like to address some things around where people focus their
attention and where they may be miss poking some attention. For
both john and Alex, I would say dead on 100% you've got to first
save yourself and save your family in your community. So
working locally, recognizing the kind of things that may be
coming at us, the kind of suddenly, standard services
aren't available. And how do you get them? And how do you survive
the next week of eating and staying warm enough to survive?
You got to you got to have those plans to get through the period.
Now the other part of it is, okay, how do we do battle? And
how do we take out the corruption? And how do we get at
that central part of the cabal that everyone identifies? And to
that I, I have to say two, two different, several different
things. One is the first thing is being careful not to be
distracted, that there are so many players, so many things out
there that are just out there to distract us. It's part of a
standard tool of confusion, known as as the Marxist handbook.
And, and people really need to have that as being a filter right
up front, figure out when you're just being told a long line of
gibberish, that's just consuming time and not actually getting to
any core element. Now, this brings us to sort of where where
where are the areas of focus? And everyone talks about, well,
certainly you want to know who's in control. And yes, the center
piece of that control is certainly the the most guilty.
But I think there's a range of different areas that people in
general, have a tendency to align with as an area of focus.
And it's in fact, a failed center of focus, because it will
identify some people that are part of the system and
contributing and complicit, but it's not even close to getting
at those that are in full control and at the top of the
heap in the cabal. And so I'm going to give you five different
areas. Any any focus on a religion as being center of the
core criminal cabal is I think a failed approach. Anyone that
focuses on a a military or a set of militaries as being the center
of the core criminal cabal is is is going down a bad path.
Again, you're not going to find the top of the heat that the true
control players the true money. Anyone that focus on just the
medical leadership as being the center of the core of the criminal
cabal is is is also false. Yes, they're agents and they're
complicit, but they're not they're not in control. Anyone
that looks at the Intel groups or either any individual Intel
players or or any of the mix of Intel? Yes, they're contributors.
They're, there's, you know, they're, they're often immoral
and dangerous to what's going on, but they are not the core of
the problem or the top of the cabal. And then as a last sort of
group, that's a failed area is the focus on people that any
particular technology type, we're certainly seeing a lot of
things going on now around advanced technologies and AI.
And I do I have a major background in computer science
and AI is a very difficult space to be in and can be used against
all of us. But again, it's not the top of the heap. So I'm
going to say where is the top of the heap? I'm not going to be
naming names here, but I'm going to say how do you distinguish
them? You distinguish them by following the money. Everybody
talks about the billionaires being out there, but being a
billionaire of one or two or five or 10 billion is not is a
small change. Every so everyone strives to be a billionaire. No
one wants to claim they're a trillionaire, but they are out
there. That's who's at the core of this cabal, who's at the core
of the control, and who has been doing it for decades. It's the
trillionaires, follow the money, figure out who the trillionaires
and you know exactly who the guilty are. Thank you for your
time.
Thank you. Thank you, Glenn. That's an interesting, interesting
concept. Mads, well, who's the wealthiest person published or
any of you at the current moment to take Glenn's point before we
go to Jeremy? Is it 300 billion published as the wealthiest, you
know, whoever it is?
No, that there are trillionaires out there, of course, there is.
I'll tell you an anecdote as well. Someone told me that with
intelligence background, he so when you produce a banknote,
and then the concept is that maybe if it's torn, you go into
the bank, the bank sent it to the national bank, and then they
know exactly how many banks, how many banknotes are out there.
Then the idea about when they now create money in the banks,
when they make out a loan. So let's say someone makes takes a
loan of $1 million. That's new money that has just been made for
that purpose. $1 million. So the story is that we have been told
all of us is that that money when that person then pays that
money back, then the money supply should in theory go down
with $1 million, right? But what if what if it doesn't? What if
every time the bank makes makes $1 million or million euro? Why
would they why would they why would they minimize the money
money supply with that? So anyway, so this guy who has
connections to a very large European internet, sorry, secret
agency, I don't want to say which one he he said that all the
euros and all the dollars that have ever been produced are still
out there. And that means that the reason we don't feel it is
because if they are in a bank account in Panama, with an awful
lot of zeros behind it, you don't feel it. If it's not
released into the into the real economy. But it's there. I agree
with what Glenn said about following money. I think we
should find out what is the actual size of the money supply.
Let's start there. That would be interesting to find out. And
there was also and I think it was English guy on a Swedish
university who made he made a 200 page essay on sorry, when he
got what he became a professor where he also proved this in
this document. And I sent it to a few people and we haven't
nobody has ever is talking about it. But I think that could be
something that could be interesting to look into. And
and we have we have historical precedent precedent. I mean, one
of the best was at Professor Anthony Sutton from Stanford who
proved who financed the Russian Revolution and the Wall Street.
But this should be taught in all classes in school from the
seventh grade to the 12th grade. The banksters financed the
Russian Revolution was not the people who did it. It was the
banksters and the same with the with the with Adolf Hitler, he
was financed by the banksters. This should this should be
people should not think that it's yeah, the Germans hate the
Russians or the French hate the English. No, no, no, it's not.
It's all made up. So I think following the money, I like that
very much what Glenn said. Yeah.
Jerry and Alex and David, any comment? By the way, just think
about whether this interesting idea of trillionaires. I'll pause
the recording for a moment.
Okay.
Just one small item on follow the money. Yep.
I don't think there are many cases of it. But there is at
least one case where where people claim there's a mountain
of money, and it's not actually true. And that has to do with
some some amount of the Rothschild family has been
declared as having enormous amount of assets because they
they have full control of all of the diamond structure. It's a
monopoly and and they keep picking up anybody that minds
it and hiding it away. That they can't possibly ever turn that
into real money. Because once they started to open up those
vaults that would turn in, it would turn diamonds into near
worthless, you there would be pennies on the dollar. So while
while there's certainly a number of fairly wealthy Rothschilds
and some of them are in the small count of billions, they
are nowhere near the top of the heap or anywhere near the
trillionaires. Thank you.
Thanks. Thanks, James. So Jerry, Alex and David, any thoughts on
trillionaires? Because first, I love the idea.
I'll just say something about money. Sam Bankman Fried was
referred to not too long ago as a billionaire. Some genius, some
incredible person that we should all listen to, who had some
magical way to create money. He was convicted last week. And by
a jury in New York, and he'll be sentenced in March. The money,
just the wealth, the money, the power, the reverence for this
person just collapses in one instant, it just disappears,
poof, gone. So why? Why do people pay so much attention to
money? It's become our religion. That's why. And it's not a good
thing. Don't look to billionaires or trillionaires or
any one of these people to solve any problem for you. Most of them
have got their money through luck. They've actually run one a lot
free of life. Look at Elon Musk. What's Elon done? I mean, he's
won a couple of lotteries, basically. So this reverence for
wealth is disturbing thing in our culture. And it can
disappear, as I say, in a puff of smoke in one instant. And that
can happen to any of these people. The problem is this, the
problem is that some people when they accumulate wealth, think
that they have the right to power. That's the problem. So
wealth in itself is not the problem. I know lots of wealthy
people who just love to go fishing and sit on the beach and
do nothing. They're not interested in power over people.
It's the element, it's the combination of wealth and the
hunger for power that's the problem. So when some people who
have hunger for power, which we normally call cycle, achieve
some wealth, this is the problem when they join. And that's when
pure evil manifests. So I'm sure they're the dynamics. Wealth in
itself is not a problem. It's when it's when these psychopaths
get control of people through wealth. And as Glenn says,
they're pretty easy to identify. It's not hard at all to identify.
And there are billionaires who are sitting on the beach, they're
not interested in it. Forget them. They're not the problem.
Wealth is not the problem. The problem is this psychopathic
desire for power and control.
And so we're gonna let's get moving. But to take that point,
Jerry, you said one in 20 psychopaths. So if there's 5,000
billionaires, so one in 20 or 5,000 billionaires is a lot of
money. Alex, any thoughts on trillionaires?
I can say one thing. So maybe, Jerry, that the that, you know,
the existence of these billionaires and the the lording
of them by the mainstream media, you know, maybe that's the
problem. And it feeds the love of money, which, which is a false
God, arguably.
Correct. It's become a religion. Yeah, these people think they're
gods, because, quite frankly, most of them just want a lot for
you. I mean, he must start at a company and suddenly the share
price went up and he's valued at all these billions of dollars.
He didn't actually do anything. He just floated a company with
some crazy idea that sounded good, like, you know, drilling
tunnels or putting spaceships up in the air. And so what? I mean,
what good has that done to anybody on the planet? He's an
underachiever, in my opinion, a very, very big underachiever.
He's done very little for the planet. He's starting to wake up.
But so it's all it's all just a myth, you know, that he's this
wonderful person with special ability is just rubbish. He won
the lottery. Okay.
My father was a Midland bank manager, Jerry. And he taught me
and my sister that, well, he told us that that many of his
rich customers were very, very unhappy, or seem to be very
unhappy, and miserable. And, and conversely, the his poor
customers seem to be very happy. So, but I think I don't know
whether he did that deliberately. He was talking to
my mother, and we heard these conversations about people with
loads of money who he met as a bank manager. And they were
unhappy, and the poor people were happy. So that was a good
lesson for us. And, and so but I would say that huge numbers of
people in Western society, certainly, they get distracted
by this money, you know, and, and they come to they wage this
competition with all their friends, you know. And it's just
ridiculous, because I think that if you have too much, a lot of
money, too much money, arguably, then you can buy your way out of
problems, and you get further and further from humanity from
reality. Inevitably, you get lazy. And I think that
suffering is and suffering through wars, perhaps, perhaps,
but, you know, the wars used to be between tribes are the big,
the big evil is that, you know, you get these big countries. And,
of course, when you have huge resources at your disposal, then
that's going to lead to massive problems. Whereas a war between
two tribes, you know, formerly wouldn't cause that much damage.
But it's obvious when you think about when you get over
organization, which Aldous Huxley, who we don't know which
side he was on, he talks about in Brave New World Revisited,
over organization, and Bertrand Russell also talks about over
organization as a cause of unhappiness. So both of them held
the view that over organization was very, very bad. And I think
that is true. But anyway, I think the love of money is a
false god. And there are many, many people I know, who love
money and worship it. And they think that they will be happy if
they have lots of money, which of course, is ridiculous. The
way to get the way to stand a chance of becoming happy is to
do the right thing. And maybe you'll get rewarded. But that's
not why you do the right thing to be rewarded. It maybe comes
with doing the right thing, if you understand me, should do it
for its own intrinsic good. I don't know whether I explained
very well what that means.
Some billionaires are not psychopaths, and they use their
money for good. I mean, I know a billionaire who gave all of his
wealth away, all of it. So just happened to know this man. Okay,
because he was well known in our state. And he was a multi,
multi, multi billionaire gave it all away. All of it. There's
lots of good people who are wealthy. It's not. It's when the
psychopath gets wealth, and then decides that he can use this
wealth to create more power.
Yeah, I understand that point. But I wonder whether the
existence of billionaires and millionaires for that matter, you
know, and that feeds the common man, if you like his
aspirations to, to achieve wealth to you know, they seem to,
I think a lot of people think that they can become happy by
having a lot of money that doesn't follow at all.
And let's get let's get we can zero in on these. We need to
look at the wealthy psychopath. They're the problem.
Yes.
Just let me this. It's a simple from my viewpoint. It's simple.
If you gain wealth through whatever mechanism, as long as
you do it in a righteous way, it's fine. It's when you lie,
cheat, steal and murder all the, you know, the enormous sins.
That's when you dangerous and that's when you should be put
away. Or at least you're well taken away and imprisoned. But
thank you.
Alex quick, they've got a couple of Jeremy and then Alan, we've
got 15 minutes to go. Alex, any comment on the trillionaire
question?
Well, yeah, I you know, I know a little bit about this. And we're
talking about a lot of decadence, a lot of depravity,
and people who are generally not very smart. So not a good power
structure. But you know, I think that going back to something
that was said in this talk today, I think that Jerry said,
perhaps one of the most important things is that we are
winning. And I also, you know, apart from the individual levels
that we are, we are, we are all trying to do, there's also the
cavalry, we're not alone. I just last night, I returned from a
conference, Eurasian integrations conference, and it
was it was held in Samarkand, Uzbekistan, outside of this
Western matrix. And it's wonderful and refreshing,
stepping outside of our matrix, because we are all a little bit
inured to the madness and insanity that we live with every
day. And then you step outside, and you see like, oh, my gosh,
there's normal people talking about normal things, and life
goes on normally. And that world is rising. And I think that what
we're living through cannot stand and it will fall. And the,
you know, the humanity what it is originally, what it is meant
to be, will be resurrected. It's a it's a big, it's a big talk.
But I'll leave it at that for now.
Very good. Okay, thank you, Alex. Very good. Jeremy, then
Alan, and we're probably going to run out of time. We'll see.
And we're closing comments from Mads and David Webb, and then
we'll, we'll bring it bring this to a thing. And then you can go
to Tom Rodman's telegram video group. If you've got time,
Jeremy.
Yeah, yeah, I loved what John said earlier on, and what Alex
just said just now, it's, I find it really interesting. People
just believe what they want to believe. And I posted something
to some of my friends this week, just on the euro mono numbers
between the death rates and naught to 14 year olds, which is
just staggering. And I had no comment back whatsoever, from my
friends also talked to them about 5g. And I've just sort of
opposed all the installation of the mass on the island where I
live, and try to raise a bit of awareness of that. And people
just aren't interested. They're just going about their business.
And I just wonder how on earth you're going to educate these
people, you know, maybe it's just gonna be too late. But in
my own personal view, it seems like the madmen are in control
in the West, we're living through the fall of the Western
Civilization at the moment. I can't see the Russians and the
Chinese, the Indians running along going along with what
we're doing. So my my really questions to Alex and Jerry,
maybe and the rest of you in that's what sort of time zone
you time scale you thinking because we seem to be rushing
into World War Three, we're probably going to see complete
madness in the US elections and more major civil unrest and
maybe even minus skirmish you start in the war front next year,
maybe 25 we're going into World War Three potentially as the
neocons believe they can in America believe they can win.
And therefore I was thinking, what are we going to see like a
massive rise in the dollar, you know, all the all the assets in
Europe for flee into the US. And I heard I missed the whole
beginning of this only came on right at the end. So I didn't
hear any of your comments before. Do you do you perceive a
collapse short term or is this collapse with the final collapse
being American collapse?
If you weren't here for the whole thing, what's the
recordings to be a good question?
You know, just I'm just going about they talked about collapse
as they perceive it as an American collapse at the end or
look, that's that's that's just too big.
Seriously,
I'll take a jab. I'll take a jab.
Oh, I'm sorry, Gary. I didn't realize I didn't mean to
interrupt but Douglas MacGregor was talking about possibly US
banks shutting down suddenly and staying shut down for three
weeks. There's a lot of talk of something weird going on. We
don't know what it might be. But we might we might be in for a
surprise short term. And then, you know, there are forces that
are there are forces that are opposed to this neocon globalist
W E F and they are considerable forces. They're not just like
starry eyed flower children. These are these are these are
real forces. And so something will come to a head. I don't
know what it will be but we could be in for for real
surprises.
Thank you.
Alex, can I ask you what they were talking about in Uzbekistan?
Oh, yeah, you know, it's so the conference was organized by one
of the two big two fails one of the G SIBs but they they they
tried hard to hide their identity like they created a new
organization. Other co sponsors were Gazprom Bank, Rosneft and
VTB Bank 1000 delegates from 27 countries, huge delegation from
Italy, or Germans, French, Americans, Iranians. They're all
talking about cooperation. They're talking about, you know,
a different path to Eurasia rather than domination and
subjugation and exploitation. They're talking the language of
cooperation, global partnership and things like this. Real
conversations very sophisticated.
And Alex, can you can you paint a picture quickly of life in
Samarkand? How is it different from London? Apart from the
weather?
It's very difficult to explain. But it's familiar to me because
I grew up in the world like that. You know, like people going
about their business in a normal way. You know, people going to
work, making food, children going to school. None of this
LGBT who's on the left, who's on the right, who's a who's a
trader who's it's hard to explain. But it's just like normal.
It's same. It feels same.
Do they worship their mobile phones and social media in
Samarkand?
They have they have all that. But, you know, it's not. People
are not people. People feel mellow, feel mellow. They're
warm, they're friendly. And there's an there's an absence of
this hysteria and an outrage. And I, you know, I wish I could
explain it better than that. But you know, when you when you step
into it, you're aware of what it is. And then you're also aware
of the absolute madness, madness, and and and insanity
that we're living through.
So that suggests that the madness and outrage could be
generated, doesn't it? You know, they know what?
No, they're they're whipped up on purpose. There's no doubt
that they're being whipped up on purpose. This is all like divide
and conquer nonstop everybody against everybody to make, to
make people lose reason to lose to make people disoriented to
make people not understand what the problem is, where the blows
are coming from, and how to defend ourselves against it.
So maybe that's the most important message we can put
out. I don't know, maybe.
David, David, I'd like to say something to rationalize
everything we're talking about here. So it's not in 44. Since
1944. Everything is about the dominance of the US dollar
currency. Everything in the financial sector. And the people
who support that, the cabal, they're desperately trying to
hold on to that position, because it's an incredibly
powerful position that is the ultimate power financially. Now,
the rest of the people that Alex just went to meet are all
talking about multipolarity, where currencies are used,
national currencies are used to settle trades rather than a
single currency being predominantly used. So this is
all about US dollar dominance. And a lot of people I write
about that a lot, by the way, in my editorial article, a lot of
people asked me, how long can the US dollar maintain dominant?
Well, it's a difficult question. But chaos, warfare, global
geopolitical uncertainty feed dollar dominance, the dollars as
strong as an ox at the moment, and getting stronger, by the
way, right, people fantasize about the collapse of the dollar.
Well, I'll tell you, it ain't happening. It's as strong as an
ox, right. So it's not going to happen tomorrow. As long as this
continual chaos and warfare and destabilization continues that
feeds us dollar dominance. And we have an opposition to it, as
Alex says, which is the world of cooperation, and
multipolarity of currencies. And that world gives us some hope, I
think. When people ask me how long will it take before the US
dollar dominance is lost, I say 100 years, maybe 50. But I can't
see it happening too soon. It's too dominant. The system they've
built is all encompassing. And chaos and geopolitical uncertainty
feeds it. So we've got a long way to battle here. This is as I
said earlier, this is the beginning of a very long fight
back. And the multipolarity argument, the cooperation
argument that Alex has witnessed recently is is a great thing.
It's a good development. And it's a balancing it's a balance
to this madness of one currency dominance.
Thanks. Thank you, Jerry. Okay, last question to Alan. And then
we'll get final closing statements. Alan, who knows a
bit about banking and who's muted?
Okay, yeah, can you hear me now? Right. Thank you. Yeah, I, I've
really getting a lot of value out of this. I'm new. I'll be going
over to Tom Rodman's chat after this. But I just wanted to tell
y'all that I've got three and a half years and more of
information on this that I've been trying to research this
Enzlau Promise software that was stolen in 1980s by Israel's, you
know, Rafi Eitan and Robert Maxwell. Basically, Jim, or
Bill Hamilton, who made this Enzlau prosecutor management
information system, look that up. And, but he contacted me
three and a half years ago and said, send me any incriminating
information you have. And there's just it ties everything
together. But basically, the Reagan Administration Justice
Department and CIA, and as you know, the Mossad took this
software and they used it for that unit 8200 and to create the
internet, Google, the banking laundering system. You know,
it's, it's how they control everything. It, and the Stanny
Casolaro was researching it called it the octopus. 1991. He
was found dead right when he was about to go back to Jim Hamilton
and said, I'm coming back with the head of the octopus. And so
ever since that day, it goes, what was the head of the
octopus? And, you know, this idea, follow the money. And so,
oh, like, the third, you know, for the last 30 years, many
investigative journalists have been trying to research this
question. And it, it seems to one of the, you know, so it's
this forensic process of being like an intelligence agency. And
so one of my theories of the, you know, the money with the
trillions is the crown of England, you know, Prince Charles,
Prince King Charles, you know, that they really do have, I
think the Panama Papers and, you know, all you think we're going
to get to those people, but they don't quite get to them and
people start dying, you know, like, like, Ronald Bernard,
that's, that's an interesting find. So, you know, we're, we
are like a, you know, we were doing what the CIA was supposed
to do. But they, a lot of what I know, I know from following
Peter Dale Scott, and all these conspiracy researchers of the
deep state, Whitney Webb, you know, these are, those are
probably the two best Peter Dale Scott, Whitney Webb, you know,
has really explained, I wish he was on this call. I can hardly
get anybody's phone numbers. That's what's kind of
interesting. You know, I see Dan, you know, who I've read
Estelon, and you know, these are the sources that I've been
collecting for the last three years, just each one of them
shows us, you know, a part of the elephant that we're, we're
trying to see. And, you know, the main thing is to frame it
from this, this kind of CIA deep state perspective, you know, who
is this invisible empire, you know, because it really, once
you kind of start seeing that dimension, you know that, you
know, 911, JFK, and COVID, and everything that's going on has
been-
Quickly, Alan, Alan, you're going too broadly.
Yeah, okay. So let's talk more afterwards.
Yeah, you go to the group. So everybody, no more questions,
Marvin.
Close. Can I just ask a couple of questions? Quick questions?
Of course. Yes, you Stephen, you can and then closing comments
from Mads, David, Jerry and Alex.
So I hope all our guests are still here. David, Matt is still
here. Jerry and yep. And Alex. I just wanted so, Jerry, I've got
a question for you from one of my sons. He asks, how did you
learn about, he knows you're a doctor, you see. So he wanted me
to ask, how did you learn about economics, finance? But I've got
a question for all of you in a second.
Well, I retired in 2007, long time ago. And since then, I've
had a lot of spare time. And if you read voraciously, and
constant in a concentrated fashion, you can work out how
the financial system operates, how the banking system operates.
You have to pay attention that there's lots of things change
over time. It takes a lot of effort, the years of hard work
and study and good sources, you need good sources of
information. So that's the quick answer. I'll just give him one
fact to go and look up though. And that is that the special
drawing rights that are issued by the IMF increased dramatically
on the 23rd of August 2021. And that if he starts there to work
out what a special drawing right is, and what that event got
impacted had, you'll start to see you can start working out
what's going on. So special drawing rights issued on August
the 23rd 2021 by the IMF to many, many, many nations. You
start with that one fact, you can work with from there.
So Jerry, we'll start with you. I wanted to ask you, what's your
favourite book? And secondly, what's the most important thing
that you've heard tonight that you would like people to
remember who watching the video?
Oh, wow. The first question is, what's my favourite book? Well,
there are so many books I could mention, but my favourite book of
all that I tell everybody to read is called The Brothers. It's
all about the Dulles brothers, John Foster Dulles and Alan
Dulles. That book, anyone reading that book, it's a very
short book, and anyone reading that book will have the
illusions about history torn side and suddenly realise they're
living in a very different world than they thought they lived in.
So I recommend that book is called The Brothers. I think it's
called The Brothers, John Foster Dulles and Alan Dulles, and
their war on humanity or something like that. I forget
that book. So that book is freely available. And what was
the second thing, the major lesson?
So what's the most important thing you've heard tonight,
which you'd like people to remember? Sorry, single out so
that they remember at least that one thing
that I've heard.
Or said yourself?
I think the most well, I think David Webb's comment on how
stupid the whole plan is by the fascists, the fascist criminal
cabal is a really important statement. It is so dumb, so
stupid, so idiotic, that it can't succeed. So why are they
bothering? You know, I think this is a great statement. And
we need to ridicule them. I mean, ridicule them. I agree.
Ridicule is actually, I think a very powerful weapon. So we
should think more about ridicule.
And if you remember, Orwell used satire, specifically,
specifically of Stalin in Animal Farm. And that's why he
couldn't get the damned book published. For a year, I think
it was and that was George Orwell.
Um, thank you, Jerry. Alex. Oh, Alex, can you say what is your
favourite book? Can I?
The most important book I ever read is called Nutrition and
Physical Degeneration by Weston Price. Nothing to do what we're
talking about. I think that's the most important book I ever
read. So in closing remarks, I just want to give people like a
couple of couple of points to connect. So I mentioned this
conference in Kyrgyzstan where I was invited to speak, it was
organised by this big one of the big banks, Italian bank. This
bank recently made a large investment in Elon Musk's
SpaceX. Okay. SpaceX recently got a large contract from the US
Space Forces. The US Space Force was set up by Donald Trump,
which everybody was thought was a really dumb thing. Just Trump
being stupid as he is right. But as most things that Trump did,
there was method to the madness. And why did he do that? Because
he needed to set up a separate military hierarchy that he could
staff with people loyal to him. And so there's there are big
forces arranging, taking, you know, shape to counter these mad
globalists, this parasitic cabal. That's all.
Thank you, Alex.
Alex, is that the most important thing you've heard tonight or
said yourself?
Oh, I don't know. I heard many important things tonight. I, but
you know, not everything, not everything. I don't know if I
heard something new that I haven't heard before. You know, I
think that, you know, we're understanding what's going on.
And I couldn't put my finger on one important thing, you know, so
many are, maybe everything is maybe absolutely everything we
talked about tonight is, is important.
Excellent. Yeah, very good. Thank you so much. And David, and
Webb. Oh, sorry, we'll go to Matt's first and then you David.
Matt, what's your favorite book, if you want to tell us?
Yeah, I mean, I would like that more people had read Professor
Anthony Sutton spoke about who were behind the Russian
Revolution, because I was arguing my entire school years
with about 90% communists, who were kind of making excuses for
100 million dead Russians, because it was a price that they
were willing to pay, because it was not their family who eluded
and killed. And we see that not going on now again, with the
white phosphorus on other people's babies, that's fine. And
we saw it also with all the everybody including freedom
fighters, when there were collective punishment of
Russians, nobody said anything, you they cannot be in Olympic
Games. So they had all their their bank accounts frozen in the
West, an ordinary Russian who loves the West. There's nothing
more they want to become Westerners. And they're not
nothing more they want to become Westerners. They had their kids
in private schools in England, they invest in bank accounts and
equities, bank transfer, overnight, boom, frozen, nobody
said a thing. It's collective punishment of a nation. I can't
transfer money to my mother in law in Moscow. I can't even send
her a package with Royal Mail. I can't fly there. I can't drive
there. I can't take a train. I can't sail there. I have to fly
through Serbia if I want to visit my Russian family. And
nobody said a thing. That's fine. Because it's not it's not
me who's suffering. Collective punishment of the Russians. And
now we see it on the Palestinians and nobody lifts a
finger. But I think this time is the Hebrews, I think they went
as one this time, I my guess is that they went too far. So the
book I wanted to I want to explain was Professor Anthony
Sutton and the and who was behind the Wall Street Revolution,
sorry, the the the policy revolution. And and then what I
want to say about tonight, what I want to think is saying is that
if I've been working very much with the with the demonstration
and what the people can do, but and David is working from the
ops with the great taking because the people who can lose
the most are the people who are very wealthy. And if we can get
both the people and the wealthy to work together about creating
creating a society with truth and reconciliation, but where
the rich can keep their money or whatever. And over time, if we
all become rich, because we have abundance, we have AI, we're
all going to be rich, the world is so rich, everything,
everything, it's we can create a win win situation for everybody.
So that's what I what I just want to finish off with that.
We should somehow try to, to to to do what we are doing, but
also understand we are part of a whole. And I agree that with
both Alex and Gary, that we are definitely winning. I can I can
feel it, the stuff we are allowed to say. And also don't
remember the people you can't criticize, probably the people
we should be criticizing. So go out and protest against the
Zionists first thing in the morning.
Yeah, so the win win situation you talk about, that's I'm
thinking to myself, well, actually, human beings need
suffering, arguably. And the reason for that is probably
Well, I've been married 33 years, you know, I mean, that's
fine. Yeah.
Come on, Stephen, get the last one. We're way over time. And
Stephen, on that point, remember that married Stephen is a
three ring circus, the wedding, the engagement ring, the
wedding ring and the suffering.
Exactly. So the suffering, your wife would sort it out for
you. You're done, man. Your wife, I know you're married as
well. So
Yeah. So David, what about you? What's your favorite book?
Well, recently, David McCullough's biography of John
Adams.
No, not just recently, you know, in. So what's your
favorite book?
That's what comes to mind.
Oh, is it? So what is it?
David McCullough's biography of John Adams.
Okay.
Is that what it's called? Biography of John Adams?
It's a very timely, timely thing. It's about the
difference that a person can make.
Yeah. And what have you heard tonight or said yourself, which
you think is very important for people to understand who are
watching this video?
Well, I was very moved by hearing Mads.
Just his passion and ideas. And it was very good for me to
hear him, as I said, so full of piss and vinegar tonight,
because that's what it takes.
I agree.
It takes people.
We need courageous people.
They can make a difference individually.
That's what it comes down to.
You have to decide that there's no alternative.
Exactly.
All right.
So it's the fight.
It's an existential fight, isn't it?
All war.
Yeah.
All right, everybody.
Magnificent contributions from tonight, Steven, from this
conversation and David Webb with your book, The Great Taking
Off and Jerry's perspective, that only one in 20 of the
billionaires are psychopaths.
So Alex and guys, what we have to do is my suggestion we'll
close with this because we're in fact, we'll have a little
break.
I'll stop the recording.
Thanks, everybody, for being here.
I will share this thought.