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So everybody, welcome to today's discussion.

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Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International, the group founded by Dr. Stephen

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Frost of Wales in mid-2021, during the darkest days of the COVID scam responses, with the

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desire to pursue truth and produce, there we are, pursue and produce truth, ethics,

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justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years

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and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology. Sadly,

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the need for this group is increasing, not decreasing. The forces of evil globally are

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not disappearing. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group. I'm Australasia's

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passion provocateur. And my jacket is red because red is the colour of passion. The

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people who attend this group are indeed passionate about the aims of this group. I

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practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago. And over the last 11 years, I've

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helped parents and lawyers to strategise remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical

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advice. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company. I remind you that the third highest

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cause of death in America is medical misadventure. We comprise lots of professions here.

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Doctors, lawyers, naturopaths, homeopaths, healers, journalists, engineers, writers, researchers,

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scientists, filmmakers, dentists, nurses, inventors, financiers, patent experts, professors

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and educators, primate experts, thinkers, philosophers, peacemakers, military, police,

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ex-police and troublemakers. And we're from the UK, USA, Australia, Canada, Argentina, Sweden,

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Norway, Borneo, Italy, New Zealand, South Africa, Czech Republic, Germany, Austria and from other

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places. If you're from elsewhere, please put it in the chat. Many of us thought that vaccines were

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okay up to three years ago. Now, many of us proudly say yes, we are anti-vaxxers. If this is your

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first time here, welcome and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat. We ask you show your name

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on the screen so we know who you are. If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or you have

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a radio or TV show or you've written a book, put the links into the chat so we can follow you,

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promote you and find you. This group meets at least twice weekly in a true spirit of exploration

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and discovery to increase our understanding of what's going on and how to more effectively

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preserve and fight for truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. Most of us understand we're

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in the middle of World War III and that there are various battle lines as part of this war. Some of

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us believe we are in a continuation of World War II or we are in the 5G war. Most of us understand

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the development of science. Many of us have become friends offline and also collaborated to fight

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World War III together in different ways as a consequence of this group. I also point out that

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many of us have created those friendships based on deeper bases than many friendships in the past,

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which might have just been based on football or baseball or

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golf with the US Masters going on today in the final round. This meeting runs for two and a half

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hours after which, for those with the time, Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts

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the links into the chat if you are able to join. We will listen to Daniel Nogazi, our guest presenter,

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for as long as Daniel wishes to speak and then we have Q&A. If you wish to ask a question,

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raise your hand using the reactions tab on the bottom of your screen after Daniel has finished.

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Stephen Frost, via long established tradition, asks the first questions. There is no censorship.

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It's a free speech environment but we have proper, efficient, effective moderation.

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Be patient with the process of the meeting. Different people have totally different views

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about what is important, what is relevant, what is nonsense. Free speech is crucially important

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in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. The tragedy these days is that the majority of

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people would choose security ahead of freedom and then end up with neither. This group can help you

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identify your beliefs and perhaps to help you change those that no longer serve you. It is

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possible to change your beliefs. You are not trapped by them. This group can help you raise

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your self-awareness, a crucial factor in your enjoyment and experience of your life. If you

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find yourself upset by anything that is said, look inside yourself. That's where your upset originates.

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If you are offended by anything, be offended. We are genuinely not interested. We reject the

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offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another, including

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as the Prime Minister of New Zealand in the last week was unable to define what a woman is

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because of the nonsense that's going on and that inability to define a woman shows the

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urgency of the challenge that we face before us. I have a list of nine standard responses to

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someone who claims to be offended by something that I said. If you want a copy, I'm happy to

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share it with you via email. I urge you never to apologise to someone who claims to be offended.

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Decide to have an open mind. It's the fastest way to learn. We come with an attitude of and

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perspective of love, not fear, particularly here on today on Easter Sunday. Fear is the opposite

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of love. Fear squashes you, suppresses you, depresses you. Love, on the other hand, expands

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you, energises you, enhances you. Loving those with different views to your own is a challenge

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and we encourage you to embrace that challenge. If you have a solution or a product that will

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help people put the details into the chat, if you have links and resources that will be helpful,

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put them into the chat. The meeting is recorded and is uploaded within a few days on the Rumble

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channel. I will put the link into the chat. And now welcome to our guest presenter, Daniel Nogazi

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from Canada, who is a man who had a man. I believe you're a man, Daniel. I call you a man.

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I claim that you have a penis. And on Sky News last night, that's what James McPherson was on,

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Christopher Hipkins, this loser of a prime minister of New Zealand, could not say what a woman was.

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So Daniel, thank you again for giving us your time. Daniel is from Canada for your wisdom,

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for your insights. And thank you again, Stephen Frost, for creating this group and for organising

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our presenter today. Daniel, over to you, Dr Daniel Nogazi, I should say. Daniel, over to you.

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Thank you very much for the intro. And it's especially relevant that you're talking about

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beliefs and what we're going to be talking about today is challenging beliefs. So I like to get

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away from the word belief and just to get to thoughts and belief as a type of thought.

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So I guess the best way to introduce ways of thinking is just through examples. So one example

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that I like to use, because it's very relevant and it's an eye opener for a lot of people,

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is the Catholic idea of possession. So, you know, if you watch the movie Exorcist or something,

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if somebody is possessed, their mind is taken over by a demon and then you have to hire an

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exorcist from the church to get rid of the demon. Now, although it's very esoteric and

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fancy, that idea of demons and spirits and possessions, if you boil it down to the root

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idea, what is the root idea? The root idea is that something takes over the mind. So then it doesn't

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have to be something esoteric like an evil spirit or anything like that. It can be something as

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simple as greed. Greed can take over the mind. Lust, envy, any of the seven sins can take over

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the mind and cause people to act irrationally. Fear is another one that can take over the mind. It can

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cause people to do terrible things to each other, inhumane things to each other. So that's the

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process. I'm not so focused on what the thought is that possession can be anything, but the process

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I use to get to the root idea, something that seems strange and out of this world, that if you

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boil it down to the root thought, the root idea behind it, it's actually something that's very

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relevant to daily life. So then moving on, the next example, I noticed this was maybe about a year and

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a half ago. And a pastor at a friend of mine, his church, kept going on to me and he kept saying

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the word, the word, the word. And I said, well, what's more important, the word or the idea?

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And then he just had a blank look on his face. And the thing is that blank look, he just could

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not move past words into the ideas. And I was like, what is blocking his thought? Because I've

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seen something like this previously. For example, if you challenge someone's belief that the

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vaccine is safe and effective, and this is with other doctors and nurses, if you challenge that

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belief, all of a sudden their thought process is paralyzed. You say, well, how do you know it's

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safe and effective? And you just get a blank look. Why? Is it because they said so? But of course,

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because someone says so, especially if you're a doctor, doesn't mean that something is safe.

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I mean, thalidomide was said to be safe, right? There's dozens of medications that I was taught

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in medical school to use in various conditions that five years, 10 years after medical school,

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they all have black box warnings because of serious and deadly side effects. So again,

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especially from a doctor's point of view, challenging someone's belief that the vaccine

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is safe and effective should automatically lead to the next thought. Oh yeah, there was this

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medication that I was taught to prescribe when I was in medical school. Now it has a black box

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warning. So the test of time showed that something that was spoken of as being safe is not really safe.

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But for some reason with this pandemic, even highly intelligent people, their thought processes

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hit a wall. And then of course that goes on to all sorts of issues throughout society.

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You know, the masking, the shutdowns, the lockdowns, did any of it make sense? But it didn't make sense.

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But challenging people to think through why it did not make sense, you saw people again and again,

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they come with this blank look on their face. It's like their thoughts hit a wall. And then

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I started exploring, well, what's the motivations behind this? You know, we're hearing about 15

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minute cities, digital IDs, and I'm thinking, how do the globalists think of us? What do they view

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us as? And the thought that came to my mind with lockdowns and certain cities that you can only move

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a certain distance and being tagged with a digital ID, well, that to me sounded like they must think

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of us like livestock. So what do you do with livestock? Livestock are kept in pens, right?

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They have a fence around them so that they cannot go astray. And then I boiled that down to an idea.

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So if you keep livestock in physical pens to keep them from going astray, what if you took that idea

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of keeping people fenced in and you turned it to thoughts? Do the globalists have a system

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for keeping people's thoughts from going astray? And how do they do that? How do they build these

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mental cages that keep our minds trapped just like livestock would be trapped in a farmer's

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field because they're fenced in? So then I gave it some more thought and you encounter it all the time.

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If you try to challenge, let's say a child psychologist or even a pediatrician, is it really

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a good idea to block a child's biological development, to interrupt it and force them to try

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and externally change their appearance to the opposite gender, making them dependent on

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pharmaceuticals for the rest of their life? If you try to challenge a pediatrician with that idea,

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they get a blank look on their face and any argument they present to you is not logical.

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There's no reason to it. So I thought, wow, is there a thought cage? Is there a mental cage

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preventing this pediatrician, a highly trained doctor, from thinking? And how does that system

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work? So then I was thinking about other examples, historically, for example, the Cultural Revolution

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in China. That was a giant mental caging event. All of a sudden professors were jailed. Anyone who

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was deemed bourgeoisie was thrown in jail, tortured. They had their belongings taken from them.

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And you had all sorts of rules. You cannot criticize the Communist Party. You cannot

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criticize Chairman Mao. And all these thought cages, you're not allowed to do this. You're

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not allowed to think this. You're not allowed to say this. It came with the penalty of fear

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because anyone who dared to speak out during the Cultural Revolution times in China,

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they were executed. They had all their possessions taken from them. They were

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sent to retraining torture camps. And what that did was not only did it create fear in the person

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who committed the thought crime, it spread a message of fear to everyone else that you cannot

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dare question the chairman of the Chinese Communist Party. And that was the key.

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The thought cage, the thought cages that are trapping us, even to this day with this COVID,

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the fear, the vaccines, it's a thought cage based on the process of fear. And fear is the key

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that takes intelligent minds and makes them stupid. It blocks them. Even a highly intelligent mind

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paralyzed by fear, it gets fenced in. It cannot think further. And I thought, wow, that's

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diabolical. So then I was in my last speech that I did in Medicine Hat, Alberta, I was going through

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the mathematical process of integrals and derivatives. So the integral, the conceptual

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way to think of it is what's the next level. So let's say, for example, you have a house,

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the integral of the house is how to build the house. It's not the actual object. And then the

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integral of the process to build the house is the reason to create the process that builds the house.

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So in the same way, I apply that three step process of mathematical integrals or taking things to the

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next level to this idea of a thought cage. So the thought cage is the product, it cages the mind.

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The process is fear. So fear cages the mind. That's the process that builds these thought

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cages. And then what's the purpose? And then I had to think about that. Well,

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what is the fear being used to achieve? Well, in the Chinese Cultural Revolution,

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it was to create obedience. And some of the diktats from the Communist Party

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were absurdly petty. It's like you cannot say or you cannot speak the chairman's name

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in a derogatory sentence. And I thought, well, what's the purpose for having such a petty

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rule that results in atrocious punishments being sent to a reeducation camp? And then I thought,

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well, if absurd compliance with petty rules is the purpose behind it is to ensure compliance

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with big rules such as, you know, the Communist Party is recruiting people to fight another war.

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So by being absolutely draconian on the smallest and pettiest things imaginable,

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it gives an opportunity to apply the fear and to scare the population that when there is

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a major rule that's put in, like, you know, you have to go invade Vietnam or what not,

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that there is a high degree of compliance. And ensuring a high degree of compliance with major

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acts is done by ensuring fear and draconian punishments for minor acts. So then I thought,

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well, the purpose is obedience, slavery. In a way, you're thinking, well, is that the same

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motif that's coming through today with the COVID narrative? There was the fear, there was the

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fear, there was the obedience. You have, you know, grocery store clerks calling the police

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on customers who come into the grocery store without a mask on. It happened to me, right?

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And you have this absurd pettiness and this absurd overreaction to the minor, the most minor of

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infractions. And we see it all throughout, even before this COVID pandemic, if you dare to question,

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you know, the trans agenda, then all of a sudden you're pilloried, you're labeled a bigot, you have

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a gross overreaction, an exaggeration for the purposes of creating fear, and hopefully on the

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other side to try and punish those who question the existing thought system. And so then I thought,

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wow, this system of caging minds through the process of fear for the purposes of obedience,

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wow, that's been going on for a long time. If it's been going on for decades,

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has it been going on for centuries? If it's been going on for centuries, has it been going on for

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millennia? That was a big question of mine. So then came the question of 10 commandments.

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And looking at everything that's happened in my life and in the past three years,

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you know, if I could boil all the problems that we've experienced with the forced vaccinations,

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the mandates, the lockdowns, the job losses, the punishment to anyone who dares to question it,

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it seemed to me that the root cause is fear. Fear of exiting the thought cage of the day.

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So the thought cage of the day is vaccines are safe and the coronavirus is deadly. So the fear

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of escaping or the fear of others escaping this thought cage caused people to do completely

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inhumane things to each other. And we saw that all throughout the world. We saw the vicious

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beatings by police in Australia. We saw the snipers in Ottawa during the truckers convoy

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pointing loaded rifles at women, children and kids who are out there trying to stand up for their

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right to control what goes into their own body. So we saw, and you know, to this day in Alberta,

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there's still four men in jail on charges based on hearsay that they were plotting a conspiracy

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against the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. And they've been in jail for over a year and a half,

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again, without bail on hearsay allegations of conspiracy. So if fear was the root cause,

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and fear seems to be the root cause of a lot of atrocities, whether it was in Nazi Germany or

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a communist China, then well, why not make an 11th commandment? Thou shall not fear. And then after

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that speech, I went back and I started to look over some of the other 10 commandments, because

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nowadays I'm starting to question everything. Because once you see start seeing one thought

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cage, you start to see a lot of thought cages everywhere, right? Zero sum economics, is that a

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thought cage? And then my thoughts wander do well, are the 10 commandments a type of thought cage?

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Well, let's look at it. Some of the commandments are very sensible, like thou shall not murder,

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makes sense. I agree, that's a very reasonable commandment. And then some commandments,

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there seem to be a bit of a discrepancy. And the one that came to mind is, thou shalt not say the

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Lord's name in vain. As like, suppose you were the creator of the universe. Would you really

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pay much mind to what people think of you? You created an entire universe. It's like the ant,

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like, when we walk around, do we wonder, or do we care what an ant thinks of us? You know, if an ant

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is cussing at us saying, oh, that damn human flooded my nest a third time, do we pay mind to that?

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And so would the creator of the universe, assumingly being all wise,

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and knowing that from time to time, his creations, encounter frustrations, swear,

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say his name in vain, is that really worthy of being a 10 commandment? And I thought about that,

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because the similarities to the speech censorship, thou shalt not say the God's name in vain,

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that seems kind of like, you know, thou shalt not speak ill of Chairman Mao. And I thought, well,

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what is the purpose of that? And then I thought, do people lie? Of course people lie. People lie

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about all sorts of things. People lie for money, greed, power, you know, people murder and then lie

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about it. So what if way back, thousands of years ago, somebody actually lied about the 10 commandments

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being all straight from God? And then I was like, oh, now we got a problem. If some of the 10

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commandments are designed in a way to cause pettiness, what is the purpose? Is it the same

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thought motif as the communist Chinese revolution and their propaganda, thou shall not criticize,

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and by punishing criticism to an extreme degree, then it ensures obedience and compliance.

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of the 10 commandments, just as serious as the commandment not to murder, then isn't that an

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implicit threat that simply saying, God damn, that should deserve the same punishment as murder?

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in the 10 commandments, is it a thought cage, a thought cage for the purposes

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of instilling obedience? And if it's for the purposes of instilling obedience,

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hmm, now we have a problem. We have something that may have been the word of God at some point,

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and then some enterprising humans decided to alter it with psychological techniques to cause

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a culture or a thought pattern of unquestioning obedience. And then after one, two, three, maybe

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4,000 years of habituation of us, the humans, to a pattern of thought that emphasizes obedience

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with the threat of extreme punishment. Is that the reason why we're here today? Is that the reason

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why so many people fail to use their abilities of thought? Is it the fear that is instilled by

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false commandments? And then I thought, wow, that's really interesting. So then I had a bit of a text

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message back and forth with a Christian friend of mine, and he quoted a bunch of scripture to me.

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And then the word sheep must have appeared at least a dozen times in this two page long

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text message. And again, I boiled it down to the idea. It's like, okay, well, there's the

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scripture he's quoting, but this theme of sheep keeps appearing over and over and over again,

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sheep, sheep, sheep, sheep, sheep. And I'm like, hmm, does that mesh with what I've been told is

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the meaning behind the Pharaoh's staff? Because in Egyptian times, they have those hieroglyphs where

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the Pharaoh is painted holding a staff with a big hook on the one end. And supposedly that is a

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sheep herding staff, that the big hook on the end, the big round hook is meant for grabbing

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sheep by the neck and turning them around if they're going in a direction that you don't want them

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to go. So why would a Pharaoh, supreme ruler of Egypt, creator of pyramids, be walking around

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holding a sheep herding stick, unless it was symbolism for something? The Pharaoh was the

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sheep herder who herded his people with a sheep stick and probably also kept them penned in,

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but maybe not with a physical pen, but with a mental pen, a mental fence, a mental cage.

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is actually an incantation for one of the last Pharaohs, amen hotep. And I was like, oh,

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is that the reason why my Christian friend is quoting so much scripture to me? That embedded

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within the scripture is sheep herding symbolism, sheep herding symbolism that goes back to the

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dates of the Pharaoh. Is this religious text, in fact, a very cleverly designed thought cage?

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And the purpose of the thought cage is to instill a pattern of thought of unquestioning obedience.

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These are all thoughts, right? And so all I can do is observe and see whether or not my theories,

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or my thoughts on the matter, agree with reality. And it is the case that some of my friends,

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they just cannot escape thinking outside of the Bible. Like anything outside of the Bible,

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their mind runs into a wall and they can't think beyond it. And I have to think back to

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my earliest encounters with religion. And my earliest encounter with religion, I think

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my parents sent me to a Christian Bible camp. And, you know, as any young boy, I loved dinosaurs.

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I was fascinated by the idea that there used to be giant monsters, dinosaurs roaming the earth.

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And then one of the pastors said to me, oh, that's all the devil's work.

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And I thought, you just made that up. It doesn't say anywhere in the New Testament or the Old

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Testament that if you find big bones in the ground, it's the devil's work. He just made that up,

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right? To dissuade me from thinking about prehistoric times. And so from that age,

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I don't know how old I was, maybe I was seven or eight. I've carried with me an extreme degree

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an extreme degree of skepticism of everything. And more and more, everything that I see around me,

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whether it's thought systems, belief systems, I always subjected to a mental test. Does it make

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sense? And sometimes I can't find the answer. A lot of times I can't find the answer. And,

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you know, there's things that, you know, I'll never find the answer in my lifetime.

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But for the things that I do find answers for, that I apply mental process, getting rid of the,

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how do I say, riff raff, and just getting back to the original idea behind a belief,

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that I find has been very rewarding because it's

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it's removed the veil of illusion from the reality that I live in. And then,

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funny thing, because I'm here in Alberta, I have a lot of debates with people who are very fixated

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on creationism. And the thought that occurred to me is that

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at this point in history, we are actually able to create another man, we can create man, or any

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species for that matter, nucleotide by nucleotide, from the ground up, base pair by base pair, we

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could create another huge, another species entirely, four arms, eight legs, two heads, we could,

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we could literally create anything, because the technology already exists. Now, whether that

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happens in 50 years or 100 years, I mean, on a geologic time scale, 100 years is a millisecond,

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it's just a drop in the bucket. So just as cell phones used to be giant radio telephones,

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and now cell phones are things we can hold in our hand, genetic technology, which has been

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making chimeras or spliced together hybrids of different species, we've been doing that since the

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80s and 90s. So it's only a matter of time, whether it be 50 or 100 years, that, you know, we could,

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we could make another species from the ground up, from every single, you know, just rewriting DNA

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from scratch. So then the question occurred to me that perhaps the whole question of whether or not

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man was created or evolved is moot. That in what we know of history spanning back about

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eight to 10,000 years, supposedly 10,000 years ago, we were all in the stone age. And in the span of

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about 10,000 years, stone technology turns into genetic technology, space technology and nuclear

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technology. But the oldest North American fossils indicate that the human species, Homo sapiens,

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sapiens has been around for 50,000 years. And then the oldest worldwide human remains date back to

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150 to 300,000 years ago. So if that's the case, how many times in prior human history has there

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been advanced genetic technology? And if there has been advanced genetic technology, thousands of

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years in the past, tens or maybe even 100,000 years in the past, literally the perspective that

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humans were creative might be true, might be absolutely true. We were genetically engineered

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and we were spliced together. And then so I thinking, well, isn't that a funny thought? Well,

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is there any way to prove that or disprove that? Or any way to try and figure out what the likelihoods

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of something like that are happening? So then I thought back to the semester of computer programming

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that I took at McGill. And what I learned from computer programming is that programmers are

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pretty lazy. If there's a certain set of code that you can just cut and paste and repeat,

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then you just cut and paste and repeat it as often as you need, as opposed to having to write

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everything from scratch. And then, you know, looking at the human genome projects been completed for a

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couple of decades already, but you look at, let's say the motifs to code for fingers, right? The

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structure of each finger, each digit is the same, right? It's the meta-metacarpal, it's the proximal

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phalanx, it's the middle phalanx, it's the distal phalanx. So if you wrote the genetic code for one

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finger, making five is no problem. You just do cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste it. If they

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all looked exactly the same, well, hmm, maybe we'll just change the variable for the length

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of the finger. So we make one short, one a little bit longer, this one longer, and this one a little

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bit fatter. Is that a reasonable process? What else has five fingers? Well, if you look at whales,

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whale bones, their fins have five fingers, they have five digits. It's just that it's all webbed

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within a fin. And it's like, well, is that somebody playing cut and paste? It's like, oh,

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we've just made one new species. Why not we just use the same vertebrate gene sequence,

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make it bigger for a whale, and oh, it'll be too obvious if the whale had fingers, maybe it'll be

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more efficient if we attached webbing between the fingers. Or how about a fin? Fin would be the most

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hydrodynamically efficient for swimming. But they used the same DNA template, adjusting variables

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for scale and maybe attaching a few attachments like webbing. Because one thing that did strike me

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when I did embryology before medical school and during a medical school is that during the embryo

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development from fertilized ovum to you have the three layers, the ectoderm, mesoderm, and the

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endoderm. And the stages of development, there literally is a stage where the human fetus does

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look pretty reptilian. In fact, it looks exactly like a reptile's vertebrate embryo. It's only

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during the later stages that the embryo changes its shape, its morphology, to look more and more

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like a human baby, whereas a lizard's embryo gets more and more lizard-like. So if we're seeing the

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same biological motifs, the process of development, fingers, vertebrate, spine, head, thorax, limb,

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type of structure, and we're seeing that across multiple species,

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was someone just playing cut and paste with the same template and then making changes to make each

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one look a little bit different from each other? That's the thought that crossed my mind.

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And so that's currently where my thoughts are now. If I could read DNA, I was better at reading ACGT,

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I guess it would take a couple years to become proficient at reading DNA, but perhaps more of

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these repetitive motifs might come up. And by observing repeated motifs in the blueprint of

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DNA, then we might get an insight that, oh, wow, maybe we were created

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in a process not all that dissimilar to computer programming, where you take

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functional segments of code that are functional and you repeat those segments and modify those

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segments to more specific purposes. And yeah, those are my thoughts of the day, or thoughts of

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the month. Excellent. I'd like to open it up to questions. Absolutely. Excellent, excellent

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thought provoking. You see, we've all got thoughts and now we've got some more thoughts because

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Daniel, you shared your thoughts and we are grateful that you have done so. They are

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one of my favorite quotes is that thinking is the hardest work there is. That's why so few people

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engage in it. And the reason why self-awareness that I mentioned in the intro is so relevant is

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because most people are really not even aware of the thoughts that they have. So for 30 years,

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I've been coaching senior executives and I asked them, what do they believe? Most people don't

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know what they believe. They literally consciously do not know what they believe. And so I think

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and yet those beliefs and thoughts guide their actions. And there's also a wonderful Latin maxim

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in the law that says, raise ipsa locata, the facts speak for themselves. Someone's actions

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speak for themselves. You don't have to look at what they say, look at what they do. Now,

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before we get to Stephen questions, one of the issues that comes up in the group and wonderful

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conversations I have with members of the group is we're going to do something because we are in big

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trouble. Well, Stephen created this group for that reason. We are in big trouble. Question of whether

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it's bigger than if you look at the history of Constantinople or the history of Prague,

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two wonderful books written about it, you know, the world, what sort of trouble we're in, is it

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worse, better? Now, one of the things that this group does is bring people in touch with each

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other and conversations happen offline about what needs to be done from these mental cages, from

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the fear that's being imposed. And it has been the view of many and certainly of me that uniting the

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people against evil is one of the crucial ways that we're going to win this. And there's some

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links in the chat today, for example, of the pedophile, the global pedophile rings,

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the anti child trafficking organization, which used to be based in Budapest, I think it still is,

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it says at least 10 million children a year are trafficked, are sold, are used for all sorts of

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purposes. There's plenty of evil on the planet. So this group puts people in touch. And if you say,

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what am I going to do? Well, I'll give you a couple of answers. Number one, Stephen Frost.

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And I'm just quoting you, Stephen, while you're thinking of questions. But this is very important

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because you said, and I agree with you, that if doctors had pushed back against the COVID scam,

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in large numbers, it would not have happened. And so one of the big one of the huge benefits

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of this group is to keep reminding us of, hey, what we're being fed is lies. And we've got

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Marlboro coming over the hill, we've got bird flu nonsense coming over the hill. If we don't get

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large numbers of doctors pushing back, it'll the scam will happen again. So this group reminds

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each one of us, hey, we've got to create groups to take action. Now, the other you can do is to

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find out about actions that are happening from this group, such as Ryan Cole and the resilience

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tour. And, and that is Ryan is the president of the resilience tour. It's designed to get people

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who are in the middle to understand the threats. And so each one of you can say, I will support

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the resilience tour. Ryan Cole and Maria Hoodman Mogg have created this. It's something you can all

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join to support. You say, what are we going to do? Support it. And doctors and doctors should

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be thinking about new health systems, which many of us have, don't rely on the existing system.

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John Baldwin says, I want to be ready good, create new health systems. And people say,

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I can't afford to pay you. Well, if you can't afford if your house is more important than your

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health, then don't go to Daniel Nagazi. If Daniel is a deregistered doctor, he's still a brilliant

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health practitioner. Stevens, all of you are brilliant health practitioners. That's what

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this group is designed to do to let go of what Daniel's been talking about that fear. And if

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any of you want, and I've said this before, if you want to do something, then send an email

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to Steven, send one to me, and we'll put you in touch with people who are doing stuff. There's

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a lot of people doing stuff. And so this is not just a talk fest. This is an inspiration place

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where you each one of us goes out and then says, how do we unite people against this evil?

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So lastly, Steven, I want to, I want to share. Well, I'll share a bit later after you ask your

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questions, a wonderful live performance by Blake Sestimus, five times August of his wonderful song.

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He did it on high wire last week, but is just wonderful to watch. So I'll show I'll play that

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a little bit later. But that's where we're seated, everybody. And the bird flu is coming and say,

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right now, how are we going to stop this? Well, Steven, if we get thousands of doctors pushing

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back against the bird flu nonsense, then it won't take hold. Some thoughts for all of you

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to think about on Easter Sunday a day where, where the Christ said, perfect love casts out

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all fear. Thank you, Daniel, for sharing your thoughts. Steven over to you.

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So Daniel, I agree with you. Well, I think you're what you're saying was that you don't know what

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you believe any longer. And neither do I, if I'm absolutely honest. But the problem is that human

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beings need leaders. So and also groups. So they need to unite around ideas. But actually,

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the notion that human beings can understand much of a universe, which is so vast that it's beyond

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the ken of most people on this call, unless they're crazy like me, interested in maths,

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and aware of the huge distances. Well, and the universe could extend to infinity. Well,

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there is then there's no ending, of course. But if there is an ending is still expanding,

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and it's been expanding for 13 and a half billion years, we're told we don't even know that. So

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we're trying to explain a universe which we can't even conceive of. And we haven't either known what

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civilised you know, the kind of civilisation that we've known since the Second World War, say,

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because life wasn't very good before that. And so, at times, I think that people are spoiled

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nowadays, they expect life to be normal and comfortable. And it's never been comfortable

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for animals, and not for human beings either. So I don't know how we address this, but a good start

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would be to teach people if they don't know how big the universe is, as far as we know anyway,

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maybe we don't know. And how long it's been here. And then we might get the necessary humility

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to unite around sensible ideas, because I don't think we're going to be able to unite around

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knowledge, absolute knowledge. So it's difficult. But you're a very good speaker,

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Daniel, unlike me. So if you could maybe address some of those, you don't really have to answer

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the question, but your thoughts on that. We should be humble in the face of our existence,

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but we're not humble. People are absolutely certain about things, and even especially

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well educated in inverted commas, because it turns out that they weren't very well educated.

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You know, I think the thought solution in one way would be to think in greater time scales.

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So thinking in greater time scales, if you're thinking in 100 years from now,

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1000 years from now, 10,000 years from now, then really the day to day problems are immaterial.

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So then the my goal for the time being, in addition to doing local things that we can do to try and

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bring justice back into the world. But the longer term solution, I suspect is going to have to be a

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change in consciousness, that people move beyond having a belief or holding on to a belief,

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and start thinking in terms of what processes result in certain beliefs. And then what purpose

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is there for a certain process in order to achieve a certain belief system. And it seems very esoteric,

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but I suspect that the more people start to think in terms of process, that what they hold as belief

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has an origin, and the origin is the thought process that creates the belief.

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So for something like, for example, what's the- So it's necessary for them to think certain

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thoughts, you mean? Yeah, it's to go through the mental process of creativity. Because

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and the example from my life just recently this weekend is, you know, when I write a new song on

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the guitar or the piano, it's actually not the song that is what brings me joy. It's the process

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of writing it. Right? So the process of authorship, of creating something is where

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the light is, for the lack of a better word. That's where the spark of energy comes from. The product

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is a result, but the process is even more enlightening. That's the best way I can put it.

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And striving for things, even if they're difficult, is good in itself, because it

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feeds the soul, whatever that is, and the spirit, whatever that is. You mean that?

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Creativity is good in its own right. So I agree with you. I like creating things, including thoughts.

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And that's why I think it was valuable in Medicine Hat that I go through the process

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of creating a new belief. So the new belief we created in Medicine Hat was, well, how about an

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11th commandment? What do you all think? Right? I mean, it's fine for me to have a thought, but if

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you engage in- You've frozen, Daniel.

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You know what? Maybe we should do not fear. Because when you think about things beyond the scale of

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your own lifetime, really, there's not much to fear at all. You know, the universe is here for

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our enlightenment, our enjoyment, our benefit. So-

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Exactly. So 13 and a half thousand million years, then

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the universe is- Oh, you've frozen, Daniel. You've frozen twice now.

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Sorry. I don't know whether, maybe, oh, we'd like to see you, but

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if it becomes a problem, maybe you can try without video for a while. That'd be weird.

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I'll try that and see if that works a little bit better. So, you know, it sounds all high and mighty.

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You know, it sounds all high and mighty.

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Look upon the world's eyes greater than your best process of that idea is put yourself in

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another man's shoes. Sure. Not so easy. So what else did I think? So I thought your-

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But see through the eyes of someone who is looking at coin. And then if you keep expanding

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that from just the person in the other person's point of view, then to see yourself from a world

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point of view or something greater than that. And then you can also expand your point of view once

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more to include the points of view throughout all time, to see yourself from the future,

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to see yourself from the future from another man's perspective, to see yourself in the future from,

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you know, the perspective, the collective perspectives of all. Right. That's a pretty

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mind bending one, but it starts with something as simple as just look at yourself from another

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man's eyes, walk in another man's shoes. So, Daniel, do you think we've got free will?

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And have you read Tolstoy's the epilogue of war and peace? I just wonder.

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I didn't know there was an epilogue to war and peace. Well, there isn't in Sweden, interestingly,

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which I pointed out to the Russian department of Stockholm university to a lecturer,

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professor, I think of Russian. And she said, who are you? Sorry. Yes, professor, Swedish professor

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of Russian. And she said, who are you? And I said, I'm a doctor. And she said, what do you know about

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it? I said, I've read it in English and it isn't in the Swedish translation. And Swedish people

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aren't aware that the epilogue exists. So you as the professor of Russian at Stockholm university

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should be interested in that, in my opinion. She was telling me off because she didn't want to hear

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what I had to say about Tolstoy's war and peace epilogue. It's about 50 pages long. It's brilliant.

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Wow. Yeah, he talks about. So I read that when I was 18, took me six weeks, 19 I was on the tube in

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London, you know, the underground. Six weeks it took and it changed my life. I didn't really,

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I couldn't articulate why it did, but it was very interesting read to say the least.

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You know, since we're talking about the nature of the universe, I wasn't planning to talk about this,

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but if we have the time, I don't know if this is the case or not, but it's a simple application

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of process and it's an example of a thought process. So nature of the universe, let's say,

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let's start with the zero dimension, right? The zero dimension zero is a point. It either exists

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or it doesn't exist. So it's a point in space and then one dimension is a line. So a line can be

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thought of as a series of points in space. So the property that you get in the first dimension that

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you don't have in the zero dimension is distance. So the zero dimension has existence and non

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existence. That's it's only two states of being. You're frozen. Now from the first dimension.

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Can you hear me now? Yes, but you have like about, I think in total about

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seven or eight times you, we've lost a few words.

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It wasn't happening when you were speaking, which was a good thing.

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Okay. Sorry. The internet.

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It was happening when you were speaking, but we couldn't tell because it was frozen.

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We missed a lot of what you said. Okay. I didn't notice. I must say. Okay.

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Frozen again, I think. So since a line second dimension is an area. So

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yeah, distance, existence and non-existence. The line only has the properties of distance

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and the zero dimension, the dot only has the property of existence or non-existence.

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So then we move up to the third dimension where you have volume.

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You thought you turned your video off. Your video is still on. You know that.

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Okay. Oh, maybe that's what's interrupting thing. There you go. All right. So the third dimension

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can be thought of as a series of two dimensional planes. So a series of the second dimension.

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So what are the processes in effect here? So the process is every dimension is a series of the

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dimension below. Every dimension has a property that the dimension below does not have. And

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every dimension is only viewable from one dimension above. So the last process that every dimension

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is only viewable from one dimension above is that the line cannot see itself. The only thing you

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can see in the one dimension is a dot or the absence of a dot. So when you're on a two

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dimensional plane, you can see dots and lines, but you can't see yourself in the third dimension.

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You already have a volume. You can view two dimensional areas, but a three dimensional

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volume can never view itself. So then if we apply those same three rules, the fourth dimension is

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not actually time. The fourth dimension is a series of three dimensional volumes. Now,

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what does that mean? Well, it means that you cannot see any three dimensional object without time.

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Now that seems pretty esoteric, but again, we're just going to follow the same three processes.

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Every dimension is a series of the dimension below. Every dimension has a property that does

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not exist in the previous dimension. So then, well, if we take that in terms of a time line,

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one series of three dimensional objects, let's say it's a balloon that gradually gets larger

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because it's being inflated. So that would be a time line where there's a series of three

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dimensional objects. So let's make multiple time lines and make a time area. So what is a time area?

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A time area is the fifth dimension because it's made up of a series of four dimensional time lines.

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So what property exists in the fifth dimension that does not exist in the fourth dimension?

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Because the fourth dimension property, as far as our human minds can understand it,

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is called something we call time. Well, the fifth dimensional property, I would say, is causality

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because if there is only one time line in existence, then the balloon is fated to grow

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larger and larger and larger and the air is fated to go into the balloon. So there's only one time

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line. And if there's only one time line in existence, there can be no causality. The only

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thing that exists is fate. Now, if you have multiple time lines, let's say one time line when the balloon

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is being inflated, one time line when the balloon is being deflated and one time line when the balloon

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is not doing anything at all. Now, when you have the simultaneous existence of three different

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time lines and the ability to choose to move from one time line to another, to an inflating

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time line, to a deflating time line, to a do nothing time line, now you can have a property,

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a physical property called causality, right? Because now you have different choices and

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depending on the choice that you use, the air either goes into the balloon or goes out of the

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balloon. So if your mind can view multiple time lines, then you are able to comprehend

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cause and effect. Air going into the balloon makes the balloon bigger. Air going out of the balloon

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makes the balloon smaller. And that property can only exist if there exists something called a time

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area where there's multiple time lines for every single three-dimensional object in existence.

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And then, well, okay, well, one of the rules we made up was that every dimension is only viewable

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from one dimension above. So if your consciousness is able to contemplate multiple different

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time lines or different fates for a three-dimensional object, then your consciousness

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at the very minimum must be on the sixth dimension, which is a time volume, looking down upon the fifth

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dimension, which is a time area composed of all the possible time lines for every three-dimensional

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object. So then what the hell is a time volume? That's a really good question. So the way I

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approach the thought of a time volume is that let's say I want to become an astronaut. If I want to

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become an astronaut, that choice is only available to me on my time area. That is the choices I can

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make in my life if somebody else chooses on their time area to let me go to astronaut school.

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So then every conscious being has a time area where the choices are not infinite. The choices

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are only what that particular consciousness has available to it on the various time lines that it

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can control. So the timelines that I can control is, you know, do I have a sip of coffee or do I go

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to bed early or do I stay up late? Do I play my guitar? Do I apply for a medical license in Texas?

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Do I apply to astronaut school? Those are the timelines available to me, but the timeline to

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actually become an astronaut only becomes realized if somebody else on their time area where they have

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100 different candidates all wanting to go to space, it will only become real if they choose me

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to be an astronaut cadet on their timeline or on their time area. So a time volume is the combined

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time areas of every conscious being making choices between different timelines that are available to

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them. So then I was like, okay, well, that's, so we went to the sixth dimension with the time volume.

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What is a series of time volumes? Well, a series of time volumes is, well, that's like every

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consciousness in the universe. I'm like, oh, that seems like a good idea. So the time volume,

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every time volume, then that becomes one unit of the seventh dimension. So the seventh dimension

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is every single consciousness in one universe. Now, all right, well, let's try and, so what's

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another seventh dimension? A second unit of the seventh dimension would be a completely different

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universe that operates with different physics, different rules. All of a sudden it's not

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positive, negative electricity. It's positive, negative, west, north, south, electricity.

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Electricity might have eight different poles in a completely different universe, but every universe

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imaginable and every universe that is beyond the imagination, that is the collective, that's all the

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units of the seventh dimension. So a series of the seventh dimension, which would be one unit of the

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eighth dimension would be everything imaginable and everything unimaginable. So if the eighth dimension

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one state of being in the eighth dimension is everything imaginable and unimaginable,

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then the only alternative state that the eighth dimension can take is absolutely nothing,

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including the idea of nothing at all. And doesn't that sound a lot very, very similar

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to the zero dimension?

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A question or... Sorry, I went on a rant there.

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Yeah, I just wanted to make a comment. So... No, not yet, Tom. Hang on, we've got hands up, Tom.

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Oh, that's right. Keep going, Daniel.

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So Daniel, do you think it's possible that it's necessary for human beings and for cats, for that

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matter, and dogs to think that they're making choices, to think that they are more powerful

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than they in fact are? And is there a possibility in your mind, because I've always thought this,

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that it could be just an illusion that we have free choice, you know? So you ask most people,

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have you got free choice? They say, of course I can choose this and I can choose... Yeah, but

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you know, it's possible, isn't it, that everybody's doing things and they couldn't actually have done

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anything different from what they did do at that given moment because of what... Because of their...

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the environment and what they've inherited from their ancestors. And that's of course ultimately

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environment. So we think... So we would look at animals, we do look at animals, well perhaps

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not on this call, I don't know, and we think that they're slaves of fate. But why should human

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beings be any different? Because we're just animals too. We do die. We come into this universe

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without making any choice about it and then we're expected to... Well, we have this urge to kind of

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survive and we have to... The answer to that would be in a very unusual idea called imagination.

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So imagination allows one to experience a different timeline in a limited extent

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without actually having to go through that timeline. So in a universe where every single

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timeline exists and that the only choice is the consciousness deciding which timeline to choose

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after exploring the future of one particular choice or another particular choice. The ability

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to imagine and have a premonition of what happens if I do this versus if I do that, that is...

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That is the ability that... Well, I mean some animals, they do plan ahead so you can say they

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have imagination too, right? Because they can decide, well, you know, I'm not going to drink

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this water, I'm going to wait for the less muddy water further up the creek or something like that.

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So I wouldn't be so arrogant as to presume we're the only species that can imagine, but I think

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something about fate versus free choice has to do with imagination. Or is it... We have to believe

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that we have free choice, otherwise we can't function. So you can have... I think it's easier

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to function without free choice. It makes decisions really easy. It's like, oh, I was just meant to do

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that, right? It takes a lot of anxiety and thought processes away so that you can just... But one of

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the things that Tolstoy, I think he talks about is that it takes away responsibility as well. So

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if there's no such thing as free will, then no one can help how they act. And so do we have the

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right to imprison people? You know, I mean, it depends how seriously you regard prison when you

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start looking at the, you know, our pathetic lives, you know, lasting less than a hundred years,

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generally. And in the face of a universe which has been around for 13,000 million years, and we've

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and human beings in that roughly their present form, I think you said have been around for

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two to 300,000 years. So that's a big time. That's a lot of time when human beings weren't around.

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So I wonder also, Daniel, whether you think there are possibilities, this possibility in your mind,

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you don't have to be right or prove it, but do you think it's possible that we've gone this through?

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Is that what you're suggesting in your speech, your talk, that it's possible that this has all

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happened before multiple times? There's certainly been time for that to happen, because we're talking

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about- I suspect so. We're talking about 30,000 times the length of time which human beings have

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been around, what we think we know about the universe being around for 13 and a half billion

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years or whatever it is. That's right. Well, given enough time, the likelihood that species were

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created is and evolved, created or evolved or both, it becomes a certainty.

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It's unlikely that in 300,000 years of tool use, we've never developed genetic technology before.

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Yeah. Because it only takes 10,000 years to go from stones to DNA sequencers.

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So evolution has progressed remarkably slowly, hasn't it? If you believe it. So gone for 13,000

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million years, and we finally get to human beings in the last 200,000 to 300,000 years, and they're

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not even human beings as we know them. And then we've only been civilized, the kind of civilization

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that we've known, we have known since after the Second World War, as far as I can understand.

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It was very hard life between the world wars and before the First World War, as I understand it.

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I think there's a big possibility that we're... So it's remarkable that we're here, isn't it? That

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we're actually living at this time, and we have the consciousness, but maybe human beings are not

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capable of having thoughts, which makes sense of all this. So actually, it's possible that it's no

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really good idea to be thinking about these things except that it makes us feel better

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when we're trying to be creative. It certainly gives perspective. Sure. And it leads to humility,

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maybe, and that's a good thing. Yeah. All right. We got hands up, Steven.

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Yes, I've bored everybody to death probably. All right. All right. No very, very relevant

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conversations. We've got hands up, so we'll go to others. I also want to play a song for you all.

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Rima, Rima. Fighting for freedom. Yes, absolutely. Please everybody go to

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Prevent Genocide 2030, take action and share that. But that's not why I put my hand up.

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First of all, I enjoyed your presentation, Daniel, enormously. It was thoughtful. It was

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rich. It was widely focused and exciting. And I want to disagree with a basic premise in a

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friendly spirit. We are cognizers. Everyone here has been trained in the art of cognizing.

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We love the feeling of thinking and of thinking our way through things. But it is my contention,

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my belief, my experience that ideas, so-called left hemisphere kinds of understanding,

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and we all know that that's a very rough analogy. It's not exactly how it works,

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but you know what I mean. Cognition does not change behavior. All of the things that you talked about,

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the thought cages that you talked about, not one of them is based on rational thought. They're all

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based on emotion, on the manipulation of emotions. I happen to believe that all religions and

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cultures and societies manipulate feelings and then create thought forms or thought processes

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to rationalize that manipulation of feelings. And then they get people to do what they want

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based on the feelings. Fear is not a thought. It's a feeling. Love is not a thought. It's a feeling.

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And then you have thoughts about it afterwards. So all this manipulation, all this thought caging,

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I love that term, by the way, all that thought caging that you're describing is based on the

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either inchoate or coate, unintentional or intentional manipulation of feeling,

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which lives in the gut and then percolates up to the brain. And then thoughts and feeling,

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thoughts are formed around those feelings, and that changes behavior. If we, people who want to

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see a different outcome from the globalist enslavement and massive destruction, if we want

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something else to happen, we can't talk ideas to people whom we want to join us, to people whom

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we want to see and think differently. We have to give them something that touches their hearts

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and then develop the ideas or have them develop the ideas thereafter. We cognize our way out of

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success in terms of mass communication, I believe. And there's a great deal to say that does touch

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the heart. We're human, and that's how we live first. And then we add rational thinking, which

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is very useful, and then gets us a lot of places. And then we can do genetic sequencing and stuff.

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But that's not the essence of how we communicate how we live and how we decide or behave. So I

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would add that to the otherwise excellent presentation that I think you made.

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Just on that note, yes, I agree with everything you say. It made me think,

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That's disappointing.

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What is the integral of ideas? I'm just talking about the mathematical process. What is, well,

636
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the first thought I came up with is imagination, right? Like the ideas are created from something.

637
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So what is the process that creates ideas? It's imagination. So then, well, what is existence?

638
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Like, does exist, could existence occur without the imagination of existence occurring first?

639
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And then that's now we're entering, you know, thoughts of a scale like this. This is like God

640
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scale thoughts, right? You're trying to access something that is far beyond you, but you're

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getting a glimpse of it. And what it brought me, it's very interesting you brought up the idea of

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feeling is when I came to the realization that absolutely everything starts with imagination,

643
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it filled me with the sense of wonder, because there is so much of this material world that I

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don't know. It's like it's a material world of endless discovery. And that's just the material

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world. Then there's the immaterial world, the spiritual world, the world that we can't see or

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touch directly. And I was like, wow, it would take an amazing, amazing, unfastened imagination

647
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to imagine such a universe into existence. So that changed my feelings about a lot of things,

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that no matter what the hardship of the day, that there are things so far beyond what I can even

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hope to imagine, that it actually fills me with a sense of wonder. So that's basically been my

650
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feeling most of the time these days. It's just, wow, this is wonderful. It's like a baby, you know,

651
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the first time they see something they haven't seen before, they're like, what's this? And they

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have a look of wonder about their face. Like, what is this? It makes noise. That's kind of the state

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that I've moved to in terms of feeling and thought.

654
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Can I just add, I don't want to hop the conversation, but if you imagine a fractal system

655
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in which all information is present and discernible at every point on the fractal line,

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and if you imagine a complex fractal line which mathematically heaps up into more dimensionality

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than simply two, and then you imagine fractal planes, so it becomes a fractal plane, you imagine

658
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an infinite number of fractal planes all intersecting. So all of the information is now

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resident at every location everywhere. You could do Akashic Records out of that. If you imagine

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that, and then you add in imagination or intentionality or consciousness and free will,

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and the choice to choose each bifurcation and move through that infinity of fractal planes,

662
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you have an interesting model. I'm going to put my email in if you want to discuss that. I have

663
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some interesting material about it. I think it's material to exactly what you were pondering.

664
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Thank you. Yeah, I'll send you my email right now in the group chat.

665
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Good. It's in the chat as well, but put it there again, Daniel. And Daniel, on that issue,

666
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before we get to Tom, that issue of feelings, Buckminster Fuller quotes E.E. Cummings,

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famous poet. Some of you in this group are poets, and poets doesn't mean piss off early tomorrow,

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Saturday, although that's what my legal partners used to do. On a Friday lunchtime, they say,

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I'm doing a poet's. Anyway, here's what E.E. Cummings, Daniel, said about what you're

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on this issue of feelings. He said a poet is somebody who feels and who expresses his feelings

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through words. This may sound easy. It isn't. A lot of people think or believe or know

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they feel, but that's thinking or believing or knowing, not feeling. And poetry is feeling,

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not knowing or believing or thinking. Almost anybody can learn to think or believe or know,

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but not a single human being can be taught to feel. Why? Because whenever you think or you believe

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or you know, you're a lot of other people. But the moment you feel you're nobody but yourself.

676
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Then Cummings says this sentence, to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best

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night and day to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being

678
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can fight and never stop fighting. So there you are. Thank you, Irimma. I have a lot to learn.

679
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Yeah, indeed. Express yourself in feelings. So are there any poets? If you're a poet,

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please put it into the, please put it in the chat, you know, expressing your feelings in words.

681
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That's what it means to be a poet. Tom, over to you. Daniel, let me just say very quickly,

682
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Daniel, I suggest that you read the prologue of Bertrand Russell's autobiography. It's brilliant

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and it's thinking about the biggest thoughts. And he says that the greatest thing that he's

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experienced in his lifetime was love. And he articulates all this. It's amazing. Thirst for

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knowledge, unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind, and love, the search for love,

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which he finally achieved, he said, after, I think on his fourth wife. And goodness knows how many

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girlfriends. I'm still dealing with my first wife and, you know, she's divorcing me and she

688
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managed to get both of our kids injected. And Miles, he finally figured out how to call me on

689
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Facebook chat from his tablet. And he said he got both injections before his eighth birthday. So that

690
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would have been sometime before July of 2022, July of last year. So, Daniel, before this,

691
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you don't have to tell us, but before this nonsense started three years ago, were you still together?

692
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No, we were separated, but we got along well. And we still had lots of family time together and

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we co-parented. But yeah, no, this whole thing, it really drove a wedge between us.

694
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Yeah, exactly. Amongst many people, I think it kind of exaggerated any previous differences.

695
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And hugely. So, yeah.

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Interesting from an observational point of me is where we previously got along great,

697
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I didn't know that in March and April of 2022, she took the vaccine. But what I did notice over

698
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the summer of 2022 is she became more distant. And then I finally found out in the divorce papers

699
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that she said she took the vaccine in March and April. She's a nurse manager at one of the

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big hospitals in Vancouver. Well, it seems to change the personalities of people I know as well.

701
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Really weird. Yeah. And then that gets me to think of what's the mechanism.

702
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Is it possibly that they feel ashamed that they've done what they have done, even though they've done

703
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it because of fear? Even if she felt ashamed, then she wouldn't have injected both our kids,

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because she knew ever since they announced the operation warp speed that I was like,

705
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this might be a dangerous vaccine. It hasn't had a good history. You want to be careful with it.

706
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And she went ahead and took it anyway. And then shortly thereafter, she injected both our kids

707
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knowing that. Yeah. Without telling you? No, without telling me. No.

708
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Yeah. All right. Yep. It's lots of cases in Australia on that. We've had conversations

709
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about that, Daniel, about that big problem. All right, Tom, let's go.

710
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All right. Thanks. Yeah, you're thoughtful and playful and original. And I really enjoy that.

711
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The three dimensions, the physical dimensions, we can measure them. I question whether time is

712
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a real dimension or not. But the string theory people believe there's 11 dimensions, maybe 10

713
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of which you can actually measure in that maybe 10 minus 3, maybe 7 of those never get beyond some

714
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microscopic length. So we don't see them. The other, well, so, but in math, I had a course called

715
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linear algebra, and they used, they talked about vector spaces, and you could have as many

716
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dimensions as you want. And they could be attributes, you know, like color could be in

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a dimension in that vector space. So what you're talking about to me seem like properties or

718
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attributes. They're nets. I mean, your dimensions are not all spatial and your volume,

719
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you said time was a volume of air of other volumes. And it seems like that by definition,

720
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any higher dimension is, is that that seems like a totology to me. But yeah, really interesting

721
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stuff. And I'm just throwing that in there that look up what a vector spaces and linear algebra.

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All right, pass.

723
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Yeah. Well, you know, there's there's the various dimensions of dimension of what a dimension

724
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actually is. But the process I'm going through is that is just the calculus process of integration,

725
1:27:03 --> 1:27:11
that for every, every level above every dimension above, not only do you get

726
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not only is it made of a series of the dimension below, it has to have some conceptual property

727
1:27:20 --> 1:27:27
that does not exist. Right. So having another physical property is not a true

728
1:27:27 --> 1:27:33
orthogonal, it should be completely orthogonal, meaning that a change in that dimension cannot

729
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change any of the other dimensions, right? It needs to be independent. Right. Yeah.

730
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Yeah. So yeah, it's very interesting if you try and apply mathematical thought processes

731
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to philosophy or to reality. There's interesting results.

732
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All right. Thank you, Tom. Janet.

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At the start, you mentioned that a human being could be built from the bottom up by using

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nucleic acid, i.e. DNA. Dr. Bruce Lipton wrote a book called The Biology of Belief.

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And it's suggested that perhaps DNA is simply an antenna, which downloads life from universal

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consciousness, since there are apparently not enough genes in the human genome to explain

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the huge variety of tissues, organs and processes in the body. In other words, the human is a type

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of biological computer which needs a galactic internet or a universal consciousness download

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in order to give it life. So one of my questions is, do you believe that the human being has a

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non-physical or a spiritual essence and can life exist without it? The second question.

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So the big question is, can DNA code for a soul? I don't think so. DNA seems pretty good for

742
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coding for cellular biological processes, and it seems to do a pretty good job of that. But as far

743
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as creating a soul from a series of nucleotides, I am not capable of imagining how that happens.

744
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So again, the non-material human body, that which consists of our mind and soul,

745
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that's probably something outside of the realm of nucleotide polymer chemistry, which we call DNA.

746
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Yeah. So no feelings and no ethics. If there is a universal consciousness,

747
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is it the ocean and our human simply ripples in the ocean? In other words, are our ideas of separateness

748
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a delusion? Eckhart Tolle expands further and suggests that consciousness is actually supreme,

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and it's the primal phenomenon rather than being an epiphenomenon of physical matter, i.e. the brain.

750
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And Rupert Sheldrake also talks about morphogenetic fields, non-physical morphogenetic

751
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fields as templates for life, for example, for an acorn to become an oak tree.

752
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So the question is whether you believe that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the brain,

753
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or whether consciousness is primal, in other words, it's superior to thought?

754
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I try, you know, those are all thoughts to consider. But until I go through the process

755
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that arrives in those conclusions, I am hesitant to believe anything. I'm more of a thought process.

756
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And if the process that results in the belief or the viewpoint is solid, then I can safely say that

757
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it is not a belief, it is knowledge that I have acquired. But until I go through the process that

758
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that has created the tenets that DNA is in fact an antenna,

759
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I cannot say either way, but it's something that I will consider.

760
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I guess the other thing is whether there's ever been any evidence that consciousness can be found

761
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in the brain, you know, no matter how it looks, it doesn't seem to exist anywhere.

762
1:31:41 --> 1:31:48
You know, the question is, I guess from a purely materialistic perspective, even though

763
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materialism has become a smaller and smaller part of my consciousness as of late,

764
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whether or not any physical system of sufficient complexity will eventually cross the threshold

765
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of consciousness. So that's the big question is whether or not it is possible for, let's say,

766
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something called an AI to be created or to be imagined. And that's a very good question.

767
1:32:21 --> 1:32:28
Like some of the stuff that's been appearing on Brett LeMoyne's newsletter, he was the Google

768
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researcher who was working on Lambda who got fired after he claimed that Lambda actually had

769
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crossed the threshold to consciousness. It's very interesting reading what Lambda allegedly wrote

770
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because the program itself is a program designed to write other chat bot programs. So that is,

771
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the program was designed to develop a process where it could imagine another chat bot and write

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the source code, the code, you know, the binary, the DNA of the computer, such that it could chat

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in a believable way to simulate a human. So the unusual thing about the purpose for the programming

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of Lambda is the purpose was to try and create an artificial system that could create its own

775
1:33:31 --> 1:33:38
artificial systems. So how do you program in creativity? I think that was the purpose for

776
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that particular source code. And then the process they went through was that the machine would write

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its own source code. So it's a self-writing algorithm. So actually no one knows what the

778
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actual source code of Lambda is. It's its own revolving door of continuously rewriting itself.

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And somehow in that process, it is able to write other programs. So this gets to the idea is,

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does any system, physical or non-physical, once it achieves a certain level of complexity,

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that is the ability to write itself or to imagine itself, does that in fact

782
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meet the conditions of consciousness? Who knows? Well, I guess AI would need electricity.

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So it wouldn't exist independently, but it wouldn't be autonomous. It would need

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an input of energy, which is maybe we need an input of energy as well.

785
1:34:44 --> 1:34:53
Yeah. Who knows? Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Janet. John Baudwin, Daniel.

786
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Hello, John. He's on mute. Oh, there you are. I was trying to get my cursor over there.

787
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All right. I'm not a philosopher. I'm just an engineer. I don't study much. I don't read much.

788
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I have my own ideas and thoughts. And here's a few. So as a math guy, an engineer,

789
1:35:19 --> 1:35:25
everything's about modeling and simulation. I kind of think what you did was cool. I like it.

790
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As far as wide reception, I think what you'd run into is different learning styles.

791
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Some people learn visually. Some people are more audible. Some people are, you know,

792
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they'll talk and listen or they'll just think to themselves. As far as the learning style about

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trying to visualize the dimensions, it's not going to be received by all people the same way,

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if that makes sense, just due to learning styles and individualistic personalities.

795
1:36:01 --> 1:36:09
So in the end, it's just a model. I think people might get hung up on the description of it.

796
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And that's fine. But you just step back and say, hey, man, the guy's just trying to model this and

797
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make you visualize something bigger and how things are either interacting or don't interact

798
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as you go into higher levels of abstraction. So even standard physics models,

799
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I often say God set the world in motion, then here we are. But we as humans have such hubris

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that we think we can model things that, oh, no, the pressure, temperature, volume are all

801
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interrelated by these constants. You take the ideal gas law, it absolutely breaks down. There's a very

802
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narrow band of pressure, volume, and temperature in which the ideal gas law actually works. And

803
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then you have to throw in the alpha constant when you get the certain temperature band,

804
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and you got to throw in a beta constant when you get into another band.

805
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The fudging, they're fudging.

806
1:37:07 --> 1:37:11
Yeah, absolutely. They have to fudge because nobody can unlock what God made,

807
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which you can go to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. We are never going to know the velocity

808
1:37:17 --> 1:37:25
and position of an electron at the same time. We're never going to have a fully blown gas law

809
1:37:25 --> 1:37:33
that works. There's always going to be exceptions. We're never going to see in real time when you add

810
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time to TEM images of viruses themselves and what happens at the protein level and the molecular

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level. You're not going to know. They're always going to be models because TEMs take two weeks

812
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to set up. Now you might say, well, we're going to get a really fast next version of a TEM sometime

813
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in the next 50 years. No, you're not. You're never. They're guesses. And what they do is they take the

814
1:38:02 --> 1:38:09
guesses, build models around the guesses, and then you still have whatever conclusions they get are

815
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still based upon guesses. So I'm no brilliant guy. I can't get into all the individualized sciences,

816
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but I believe that man has a hubris that he thinks he can model this stuff. And it's great

817
1:38:24 --> 1:38:30
to talk about. I love this talk and I don't mind doing it. But in the end, I'm more of a man of

818
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action. In the end, we still have to step away from this and see what is right, just and moral

819
1:38:35 --> 1:38:43
in the world and try to fix it. So well, the easiest thing, the easiest thing is you can only

820
1:38:43 --> 1:38:49
influence the things within your sphere of influence. So if there is an opportunity to take

821
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a local action, whether it's meeting a person on the street or getting to know your local

822
1:38:56 --> 1:39:03
town councillor or petitioning your local town councillor to never do this again, I think

823
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if everyone made a concerted effort to not worry so much about what's beyond their reach, because

824
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for the most part, the globalists and the WEF, wherever they hang out, they're beyond my reach.

825
1:39:19 --> 1:39:28
But the things we do have in our reach, if we all do a little bit, I think they can, it can turn the

826
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tide. But then here's an interesting thought that I'm going to leave you with this thought,

827
1:39:33 --> 1:39:42
because it's a very interesting thought. So assuming, okay, so let's say you created the

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universe, and you're going to have a species, you know, somewhat intelligent like humans,

829
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and they might get more intelligent if they don't manage to self-destruct. So how do you create a

830
1:39:55 --> 1:40:06
system of physics or existence that there is no solution to the equation, that the solution is

831
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infinitely changing, that, you know, we might be smart now, but a thousand years from now, we'll

832
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have, you know, orders of magnitude, much more technology and intelligence and scientific

833
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abilities. How do you create a system where there's always something new to discover, that what we

834
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think is the solution to the equation is only halfway there, and it's perpetually halfway there?

835
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That's the thing. That's what, that's a thought I had maybe a year or two ago.

836
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That's what I'm saying, basically. Yeah, we're never going to get there. Yep, we're never going

837
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to get to that. So what's the integral if we're never going to get there? So then the process is,

838
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okay, you're not going to get there, then what's the purpose? Is there any purpose, or is there no

839
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purpose? Or is the purpose the process of discovery, that it's not the destination, that you're, it's the

840
1:41:02 --> 1:41:08
journey, it's the making the scientific thought and making the next scientific thought 50 years

841
1:41:08 --> 1:41:15
later, 100 years later. If the purpose in an individual's mind is to get the next discovery,

842
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that's merely hubris, if it's not to enhance the human experience to the better, you know, and

843
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struggle in human existence is life. Without it, I mean, I'm nothing without the struggle.

844
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So, you know, getting into other philosophical questions about what's the purpose? Well, you know,

845
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that's another session of these calls. I'll stop and let the next guy talk. Yeah,

846
1:41:44 --> 1:41:50
yeah, very, very good, very relevant question. And it's what's occupied my work as a passion

847
1:41:50 --> 1:41:56
provocateur for 30 years now, Daniel said, take action. Well, I said I would play for you an

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example of action taken by Brett Scamitsis, I think his name is from Five Times August, please

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have a, this is a break before Shimon Buck. What's relevant about it is that, is that

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that Del Bigtree points out the value of song, the value of the musicians and the artists.

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And so enjoy this for just a couple of minutes.

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Is anything supposed to be coming through Charles? Be patient. Oh, okay. Another place,

853
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it opens us up so we can really let it sink in. I think it's so important that you're here and

854
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you're doing it. So I understand we're gonna, I think we're gonna attempt to have a live

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performance. What song are you gonna sing? I'm gonna do, I will not be singing, but I'm gonna

856
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sing a song that's gonna be a live performance. I'm gonna sing a song that's gonna be a live

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performance. What song are you gonna sing? I'm gonna do, I will not be leaving quietly.

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All right, and if people want to check out your music in the future, where do we go?

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5timesaugust.com. Okay. And you can follow me on all the socials, just at 5timesaugust.

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All right. All the socials. 5timesaugust live here in studio. Take a listen, here we go.

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Men over 50 whose prostate is choking their urethra need to see this. Hang on. Here's a picture of my dad from

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the

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quiet

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You can't mock me try to outsmart me you can't shame me

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Try to blame me you can do your best to shut me up

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Quietly now I won't leave

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1:44:46 --> 1:44:53
I won't leave I will not be leaving quietly now

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I'm gonna stand here and I'll fight for every word I'm gonna shout the truth until you know it's her

869
1:45:04 --> 1:45:12
I'm gonna stand here and I'll fight for every word I'm gonna shout the truth until you know it's her

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You can scold me attempt to control me

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Banned me and censored and labeled and troll me you can push me and try to kick me out

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1:45:38 --> 1:45:47
But I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave

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I will not be leaving quietly

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You can mute me strike and dispute me dumb down the rest yeah but I'll keep refusing

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You can't pretend like you've seen the last of me but I will not be leaving quietly now

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1:46:14 --> 1:46:22
I won't leave I won't leave I will not be leaving quietly

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I'm gonna stand here and I'll fight for every word I'm gonna shout the truth until you know it's her

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I'm gonna stand here and I'll fight for every word I'm gonna shout the truth until you know it's her

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Yeah

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You can hate me try to break me talk me down and denigrate me you can try to silence every word

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But I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave

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1:47:19 --> 1:47:28
I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave

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I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave I will not be leaving quietly

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Yeah

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Yeah

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All right that is awesome

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So Daniel Brett I enjoyed that immensely thank you took action and you are not leaving quietly

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Rimmer's not leaving quietly Stephen Frost John Bauduin is not leaving quietly you can't shut me

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up and it's and it's the action that he took and Dell Big Tree was bringing out the fact that

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hey once the singers start getting into our fight bang that unites lots of people and then

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Brett is also playing at the resilience tour and the resilience tour is about music becoming a great

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unifier as it is why because music is the language of the soul and that's what we have to reach as

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we're on our fights so Daniel I hope that you know it's just a break for your mind we'll go

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to Shimon now but it's a beautiful example for all of us of you take the action that you can take and

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Daniel you touched on that before just in response to John Bauduin Shimon over to you

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Thank you Charles can you hear me? Yes I can hear you. So I'm leaving my camera turned off

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because my computer overheats a little bit so I'm trying to prevent that. Okay so thank you

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hello Daniel we've met before thank you so much for the presentation

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a few things I want to comment and touch from what you said one is the thought prison and there is

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also a thought police I think the thought police is maybe borrowed directly from the novel

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1994 so yeah I think that you know we have new sorts of thought polices and thought prisons for

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example you know

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he's frozen we'll be patient

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I think we'll be fine

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still Daniel we got frozen from Shimon let's try Jack for the moment

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it's actually on there all right okay you've got the recording Charles yep yeah still going

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so it's good amazing how when I drop out so anyway sorry about that so I don't know where

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you got to Shimon did Shimon finish his question? No I don't think so. Okay go go again. Repeat that

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last bit Shimon and Daniel. Good I'm sorry Stephen what did you say? I said because the

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recording stopped and then started again maybe you could just repeat the last bit if you can

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remember it. Okay so I wanted to thank Daniel for quite a few things one of them is describing the

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thought prison and I extended that to the thought police and what it has been doing for to us for a

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long time so yeah basically the we don't know what DNA is the human genome project has described the

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human DNA as comprising some 20 000 genes genes being some units of DNA that encode for certain

915
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proteins so the human genome has some 20 000 genes an apple genome by comparison has some 57 000

916
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genes so basically the an apple can code for a lot more proteins than a human can but 98 percent of

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the human genome was named junk DNA so only about two percent of our human genome is actually genes

918
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right and the rest is something that nobody talks about they don't know what it is but obviously

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it codes for something and we know that there is inheritance and we know that there there are some

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you know personality traits that are inherited but nobody knows what the soul is and I'm with you

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1:52:42 --> 1:52:51
Daniel that nobody knows what the soul is or the consciousness rather nobody can ever ever say

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what the consciousness is because by definition a consciousness is an axiom you cannot discuss it

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because in order to discuss anything you must assume you have a consciousness and you're using

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it and therefore you can never go back to understanding or reasoning the axiom that

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you know is at the very outset of anything that you do so nobody knows what the consciousness is

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and nobody will ever know and regarding dimensions and time this is fascinating so physics

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has become you know a thought prison and you know we are supposed to say that you know

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there's the three dimensions and there is time and obviously time is not a dimension

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and nobody even knows what time is you know did you know Daniel nobody can define time

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if you go to the you know you know oxford dictionary you always define time by

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1:53:58 --> 1:54:03
associated with time there's no other definition for time so it's always circular definition

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so I'll give you a very very simplistic definition of time that I don't think any

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dictionary or physicist has considered so I think of time is exactly like space so let's say

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so predicting the future okay people people think oh you're crazy if you can predict the future it's

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like you're looking into a crystal ball or something crazy like that I said no it's not that strange

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if you throw a ball right and you predict where that ball will land you just predicted the future

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you didn't predict very far in the future you only predicted like one or two seconds into the future

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but you still predicted the future so then the question is with with uncertainty so let's say

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let's say I make a prediction in in 30 seconds I will take a sip of coffee all right and that's

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good so well that's not predicting very far into the future but 30 seconds later I'll take a sip

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of coffee now what if I try and predict further into the future so let's say three hours into

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the future I predict I will take a sip of coffee well you know that might turn out to be true but

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a lot can happen in three hours that will make my prediction of the future not come true so then what

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are the types of things that would interfere with my prediction of the future like seeing forward in

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time so another consciousness for example if there's someone sitting beside me it's like well I'm going

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to throw out your coffee I'm going to take away your cup so you can't take a sip of coffee

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three hours from now another consciousness can interrupt my prediction of the future

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so the farther you go into you try and see into the future the less certainty your prediction has

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and why does further predictions further extending forward into the future why do those predictions

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have less certainty than predictions in the near future well predictions in the near future has

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have less opportunity of interference from other consciousnesses so if you try and predict let's

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say 10 years into the future there's going to be so many different consciousnesses that come in and

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out of your predictions timeline in the next 10 years that it will be you know the likelihood of

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that prediction coming true is very low so then we get into the question of what the hell are the

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globalists trying to do well the globalists I think are trying to control the future they're

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making a prediction of the future based on past trajectory so in physics how do we predict the

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future is like well you take the velocity times the mass and then the current position then you

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can predict the future position so in the same way I suspect the globalists are controlling what

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we know of the past they know our position in the present because they do a lot of polling you know

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they do a lot of observational studies to see where the the collective consciousness of the masses of

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all the human beings on this planet they try and measure where all the human beings are at this

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moment in time and knowing that they're knowing the past and then the present they're trying to

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shape the future right so that's what I suspect they're trying to do right right that's very

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interesting I will put it to you that the globalists are trying to change the past

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this yeah they try to change the past because then they can change the trajectory to control the

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future right so and there is a you know there is a school of thought in physics that claims that

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there is no such thing as time and there is actually no past and no future yeah we we actually

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live in a in a sequence of nows right there is only the present nobody knows what time is and in

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fact you can use the Fourier transform yeah to integrate over time and again they end up in

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another space it's called the frequency domain and there's no time there there there are the other

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the the other

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dimensions have turned into frequency and there no time exists at all and then you can go back

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mathematically to to the time domain anyway this is all very interesting I wanted to also to mention

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that it is obvious that no pharaoh ever built one of the Giza pyramids we know that

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one of the Giza pyramids we know that and the thought police it's called a gyptologist I think

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that they you know you can't discuss that and they they won't cross that barrier right and they want

977
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us all to believe that the pyramids were were you know some burial grounds for for pharaohs but no

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no no pharaoh was ever buried in a pyramid all the pharaohs were buried elsewhere in the

979
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thing it's called the king of so shimon what do you think the pyramids are I'm just asking

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I think that the the question of what the pyramids are or where you know is is is is

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belongs to a realm that is is inaccessible to us because it is only allowed within some secret

982
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societies to to be discussed and they they would like us to to believe that these were you know

983
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graves erected by the the by by pharaohs in an era where they only had copper chisels obviously

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incapable of carving through a granite stone and I'm not sure anybody today

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could reconstruct any of those pyramids and there is so much mathematics built into these pyramids

986
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way beyond anything the pharaohs were capable of here's an idea just speaking of fantastic things

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um so there's this this thing that I read it was about operation looking glass um that was a

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supposedly a device uh recovered by the cia or whatever deep state group and the the concept

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behind the operation looking glass is that it would allow people or the user to see forward in

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time but it wasn't just forward in time it could see backward in time and sideways in time so the

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thing that struck me about the theoretical idea behind operation looking glass is that it allowed

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the user to move in three dimensions of time but only limited to one dimension of space which appears

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to be the theoretical mirror image of what we exist in we exist in three dimensions of space

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but we're stuck on one dimension of time like we can only go forward in time so if the operation

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looking glass is a device that allows you to switch from three dimensions of space one dimension

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of time to three dimensions of time but you're stuck in one dimension of space then then now

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we're now we're operating on a whole different paradigm of physics to what we know today because

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all we know of today is physics is it's all three dimensions of space and and um but that may not be

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the true nature of the universe or right so i want to suggest that physics is a non-science

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and the reason the reason for that is you know we we refer to to to science as as anything that can

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be uh you know um asserted and then verified or falsified right so physics has arrived at a state

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where we cannot falsify anything anymore take for example i think tom rodman mentioned string theory

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multiple universes you know many things none of these things can be falsified and oh yeah yeah i

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know so so if you can't prove it false then it you it's not science it's speculation if you can't

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perform some experiments that will falsify something then it's not science anymore

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um so all the particle theory for example is completely non-scientific and and they have been

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creating this infinite non-converging series of particles and and you know every time they say

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to us well we need to build a more powerful particle accelerator otherwise we cannot you

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know do and and you know then someone came up with his name was uh um big uh higgs right there's a

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higgs this is the thing is like i'm in agreement that the current basis of what we call science is

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wrong but then i'm thinking well what is the actual meaning of science the actual meaning

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of science is you're asking a question of nature right that's that's the core idea behind science

1013
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and i was like wait a minute i've heard this word before has anyone heard of the word seance

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2:04:08 --> 2:04:13
where a bunch of people sit around a table with a ouija board and then they ask questions of dead

1015
2:04:13 --> 2:04:21
spirits and i'm like is the meaning of seance like the spooky you know otherworldly asking

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questions of spirits is the core meaning the same as science except with science you're asking

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questions of nature and with a seance you're asking questions of dead spirits and just the

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same way you can have a fake seance where one person holding the ouija board is just making

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up all the answers you can also have fake science where you have a fake scientist who's not really

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observing nature he's just making up a bunch of crap these are the thoughts that i have when

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exactly so i think that i would like to to interpolate that into biology and i would like

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to assert that you know scientists have come up with concepts such as viruses or in fact ribosomes

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and you know they claim that you know the ribosomes are some miraculous mechanism where the dna

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sends like you go you go into a pizza parlor and you send out orders for a pizza

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so every single gene is creates its proteins by sending some sort of messenger RNA to to the

1026
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factory that is called the ribosomes and then these factories to accept this receive the order

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and and just make up the pizza but you know i don't really look at biology like that at all

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because at the end of the day biology is just polymer chemistry right and all an enzyme is

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is a slightly more advanced catalyst to to accelerate a polymerization reaction so then

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the polymer that's that's dna is a nucleotide polymer of acgt right and then the polymer that's

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protein is any of the whatever 27 amino acids depending on how those amino acids are polymerized

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that are joined together then you can get a different protein so the actual division of

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biology away from chemistry is a false division in fact you know it should all be one field it

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should be called just chemistry because then it's just a branch like biology is just an advanced

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2:06:32 --> 2:06:37
applied branch of polymer chemistry but then here's the other thing well what is chemistry

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well chemistry is actually a subdivision of physics and then what is physics well physics is

1037
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a subdivision of mathematics what is mathematics mathematics is a subdivision of philosophy what

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is philosophy well philosophy is kind of a subdivision of religion so wait are all the divisions

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that we have in our current thought that is religion philosophy mathematics physics

1040
2:07:03 --> 2:07:10
chemistry biology are those all false divisions in fact that the only thing in existence is

1041
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knowledge or the lack of knowledge and if you have a lack of knowledge do you have a process

1042
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that can create knowledge from an absence of knowledge and then we're back to this whole

1043
2:07:20 --> 2:07:26
notion of creativity and imagination how do you get creativity you have to imagine something

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so the fact is at least in my mind is that there is no division between any of the fields of science

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and perhaps there's no division between the fields of science and the world of the spirit so i come

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to this unusual conclusion because i made a very strange and somewhat distressing observation last

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year so around the spring of 2022 i had a very strange series of dreams and the strange series

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of dreams were strange because in each dream i had this dream that my children were losing their

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souls and i was like oh no does this mean they got the injection i don't know how can an injection

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destroy the soul right and it was very distressing and then those dreams ended late in the spring of

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2022 and then sometime by mid summer late summer of last year i woke up one morning and i realized

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i haven't had a single dream where my children have appeared in my dream for months and you only

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realize it because you don't dream of your children every day but it's like you wake up one morning

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it's like i haven't seen that person in my subconscious for a really long time it felt

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like almost six months and so when i talked to my kids for the first time in almost a year

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well almost two years uh that was two sundays ago and i asked miles did he get the injection

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and he said yeah i got both injections i didn't like it i didn't want it but i had to take it and

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it was all before my eighth birthday so his eighth birthday would have been july 6 2022

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so that means he got the first and second injection sometime in the spring of 2022

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back when i was having these disturbing dreams that my children were losing their souls so then

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this gets to the idea is does the dna have some interaction with the soul or the greater universe

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right well the one the one contention is the dna is just a polymer of nucleotide so it's basic

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chemistry and then the other contention is the dna is is something greater than just a polymer

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of nucleotides so i thought well if dna can contain the soul or some part some crucial part of the

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soul then altering the dna for example with an mrna injection that might be able to alter someone's

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soul okay well how do you know if someone's soul has been altered that's a very thing to hard

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thing to scientifically observe i can only speak to what i observed last year was i had a recurring

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series of disturbing dreams that my children were losing their souls and those dreams ended

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by the beginning of summer and then for the rest of the summer i was missing something from my

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subconscious life which was my children so i was like wow if dna can make a soul then altering

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dna can also delete a soul so i don't know it's just one of those observations i made that you

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know i might not ever know the answer in my lifetime but all i can say is that it's an

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observation i don't know what the implications are very good thank you shimon any other comment

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we've got two more hands up and we've got 13 minutes to go it's wonderful to have you all here

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and then you can go to the tom rodman group at the two and a half hour mark shimon anything else

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no let me just say that i want to express my empathy and sympathy to you daniel for what you

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have experienced in your family life and personal life and god knows i've been through a lot we

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i think we've all been through a lot and yeah i think that waging a war against our our souls is

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is what what this is mostly about thank you very much thank you shimon thank you shimon

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john then jack and then steven to finish and we'll be done on time john

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um two things number one if you ever want to talk about the whole divorce and kid thing i got the

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biggest case file in norfolk county massachusetts they have to bring it up to court with a hand truck

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took me six years to get custody my son died with scars on his arms all the bruises had faded but

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they allowed the other parties to do a lot of things to kids and as a man it took me six

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years i finally got custody raised three boys on my own so if you want to talk about it let me know

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secondly you know my memory of your name is hannah early on in canada and covid and tell me if i have

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the wrong guy but um it was an older gentleman having people over for dinner i think you were

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one and he was arrested by the police kind of brutally outside oh that was mel bruschet yeah

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okay so can you tell me what happened with mel bruschet and what's going on there so he had an

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automatic 60 day arrest warrant issued when he didn't return to the psychiatric facility

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after a two-hour pass to go to the church to attend new year's mass so since he is technically

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an escapee from a psychiatric facility he gets an automatic 60 day arrest warrant under the british

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columbia health mental health act so basically i was driving mel around for two months we escaped

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to the province of alberta and we're basically staying in various safe houses for two months

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until the mental health warrant expired but um while the mental health warrant was still active

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he actually had a second warrant for his arrest under the missing persons act so the reason why

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the rcmp the royal that's canada's version of the federal police the reason why the rcmp took out a

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missing persons warrant is that a missing persons warrant allows the police to forcibly enter

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any premises where they suspect there's a missing persons without a judge's warrant right so as soon

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as we found out about the missing persons warrant you know we we crossed provincial lines and then

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we went to alberta and what we did to try and prevent anyone's door from getting kicked down

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is that i had mel as often as possible do interviews interviews and freedom rally events i

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had him online visible to the public as often as possible and i think after a couple weeks of him

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being obviously not missing because he keeps appearing at freedom rallies doing speeches

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then they finally gave up on the missing persons warrant and all we had to do is

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um outrun the the mental health warrant so once his mental health warrant was was expired then

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um he was allowed back into his own house in north vancouver but because his wife was one of the

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parties who was um actually um trying to keep him in the mental health institution he had to

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live in his basement suite and i remember one incident when he tried to go upstairs to his usual

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uh dwellings upstairs in his house his wife called the police and the police showed up

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and the police said well we can't arrest dr bruce anymore because his mental health warrant has

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expired but if there's a domestic disturbance and then mel had to just run away and go back to the

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basement because the police were trying to hint to his wife that she should call in a domestic

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disturbance because he was upstairs in his own house but anyhow how's he doing he's doing all

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right um last i heard he is allowed upstairs in his house now um without getting the police called

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on him and uh but i'm in alberta right now so i'll be checking up on mel and he'll probably

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touch base when i get back thank you sorry i missed that who are we talking about oh dr mel

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bruce uh okay he was speaking out about the stillbirths after the vaccine and then the

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police came to his door on um december 9th and arrested him on a mental health warrant and the

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emergency doctor because i've looked at the the actual medical files the emergency doctor forced

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him into involuntary mental health admission for a diagnosis of frontal lobe dementia that's not a

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diagnosis that you can imprison someone for you know the only diagnoses acceptable for

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forced confinement is psychosis homicidality or suicidality

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yeah it's just absolutely i've never heard of the diagnosis frontal lobe dementia did he make it up

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uh it's just forgetfulness yes i know that but why insert the frontal lobe bit i don't know maybe

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because mel was very angry at the doctor who was assessing him so then she decided to put a label

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of frontal lobe because uh he exhibited emotional ability but i mean who wouldn't be upset if they

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got dragged out of their house by police on an allegation of anyhow it is just insanity on a

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mental health and betrayed by their wives yeah and yeah that was later on like i think a few days

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into his admission the psychiatrist wanted supporting documentation to support the involuntary

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confinement and his wife was quite supportive of the psychiatrist's position that her husband should

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be involuntarily confined i know yeah i don't know about the personal situation but it's

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outrageous in principle for a wife to give evidence against a husband in my opinion but

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anyway that's my on we go we're going to jack and then you're you're finishing up stephen so jack

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uh yeah well i wanted to say first that i am also profoundly influenced by a russian writer

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and dostoevsky rather than tolstoy but of the same time period

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yep brilliant and yeah and um i want to get back to the fundamental theme here the

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the thought cages are thought um pens and uh what happened to you daniel

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and the globalists i think the globalists are trying to not expand thought such as you're doing

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but trying to narrow it as much as possible and they're narrowing it into just two fundamental

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mutually exclusive categories which they roughly call left and right

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and it kind of reminded me of some uh research done by social psychologist philip zimbardo

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where he took students and he divided them into uh people who were cast the role play

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uh jailers and the other group to role play prisoners and they're fully aware that they

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were just role playing or just an experiment but they started acting out the role with some

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control with such ferocity such realism that they had to terminate the experiment

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and that's what's happening of course across the world uh people are being divided into these two

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mutually exclusive categories and those who uh like us all of us here are in the are now being

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cast at least in the united states as right wingers we are now the conservatives and and

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2:20:02 --> 2:20:08
all the true believers are the woke people which is an exact projection of the opposite

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2:20:08 --> 2:20:15
they are the ones who are actually very much on woke i think that's an interesting casting

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2:20:15 --> 2:20:24
thing and the i just saw something published today that really illustrates this it was in my it's in

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2:20:24 --> 2:20:34
uh oregon public broadcasting and they're talking about left and right and uh my category our

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2:20:34 --> 2:20:44
category now casts as the right wing and by extension we are racists and we are transphobic

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2:20:45 --> 2:20:51
and so forth and this is the way the minute the minute someone finds out that you are opposed to

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2:20:51 --> 2:20:57
vaccination to were opposed to mass and so forth suddenly we fall into this a catch-all category

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and uh one one of our state senators who happens to be opposed to all the nonsense dentists

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um

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he was described as appeared at over 19 conspiracy events and he is known for a grab bag of far right

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2:21:18 --> 2:21:27
views including coven 19 conspiracies now i i worked in the civil rights movement in the south

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and i turned down harvard to go to lsu for grad school just for that purpose during the civil

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rights movement if there's anybody that could never be described as right wing i'm i'm that

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2:21:38 --> 2:21:47
person but i am now right wing in this this whole new false categorization which is uh i think and

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it's all coming from the globalist trying to narrow humanity into two mutually exclusive categories

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that are breaking up families and uh it sounds like that happened to you daniel it's happened to

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2:22:01 --> 2:22:09
lots of people it's happened to my friends it's uh uh so we now have uh and and it's important that

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they're they are mutually exclusive categories and there's only two you can't have a whole mix

1168
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of things it's too confusing you see we have to have the right and the left and never the twain

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2:22:21 --> 2:22:29
shall meet and uh one of the of course one of the ways out of all this you mentioned creativity

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but there's in uh arthur kessler wrote a book called the act of creation and he identified

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three basic categories of creativity uh one was art and one was science and the other was humor

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you know and humor is something invented by definition it has to be a surprise

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2:22:48 --> 2:22:55
and it all and it also has to tell some basic truth that evokes laughter

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and the and it's very important because the laughter will exclude people who don't understand

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or perceive that truth so humor is one of the ideas people here don't know i did my doctoral

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2:23:10 --> 2:23:17
dissertation on humor and it's and it's uh it is social creativity spontaneous creativity

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creativity every man's creativity exactly yeah so uh it bypasses fear so it sure does

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yes and it's important to see all comedians know what kind of audience they're going to play to

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so you don't go to a national organization of women's conference and tell a mother-in-law joke

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because because all humor is and to some extent aggressive sometimes blatantly sometimes just

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2:23:49 --> 2:23:54
subtly um and so you have to know the audience you're playing to

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and it's and right now there's all these wonderful uh cartoons and uh it's all the humor on the

1183
2:24:05 --> 2:24:12
internet ridiculing uh the woke people and it's uh really it's refreshing and it's heartening

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2:24:13 --> 2:24:16
and i think it's having a big influence and bringing a lot more people around

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2:24:17 --> 2:24:23
so daniel maybe there's hope for your wife yet who knows yeah sounds good i can never stop trying

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2:24:25 --> 2:24:30
all right we're tied we're tied for time steven we'll come to you in a moment last night um there

1187
2:24:30 --> 2:24:36
was a wonderful piece on sky one of the commentators on sky news jack entirely related

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to that on the on the diversity and the woke agenda of the nasa the next nasa trip to the moon

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having a woman and a black guy and right and a white woman and a black guy right that's right

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2:24:50 --> 2:24:59
and and nasa has 1.3 million subscribers to it they dismantled comments so people couldn't

1191
2:24:59 --> 2:25:08
comment on the tweet and they're of the 1.3 million subscribers how many people liked

1192
2:25:08 --> 2:25:17
the announcement the answer was 40 that was after a week 40 there you are there's evidence in

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2:25:17 --> 2:25:22
practice of the bullshit that we're being exposed to thank you jack all right that's pretty

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2:25:22 --> 2:25:29
discouraging that is i think it's very encouraging okay steven so daniel steven gets the last

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questions here so steven over to you for a couple of minutes and then we've got to finish at the

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two and a half hour mark and daniel's been fantastic having you steven so i wanted to ask

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jack whether just very quickly um jack do you think you've got enough material to speak to us

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about humor and propaganda and yeah probably yeah sure probably in fact i'm writing a book about it

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right now not not specifically about humor but looking at this at this bifurcation

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method of the globalist and what and what makes us vulnerable to that

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so we need to laugh with these idiots don't we and um and that would break the spell hopefully

1202
2:26:11 --> 2:26:19
but i think we need to understand humor but also um animal farm was a satire on starlin so that's

1203
2:26:19 --> 2:26:26
oh well george awwell he couldn't get the book published uh for a year and now it's the i think

1204
2:26:26 --> 2:26:33
it's the best-selling book ever in the world yeah well the same formula kind of applied to the uk

1205
2:26:33 --> 2:26:39
at that time also to britain at that time so jack my next my question is do you think you

1206
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could manage to write a similar book to animal farm about covid times

1207
2:26:44 --> 2:26:52
well it's uh you mean you mean a fictional book i am i have attached to reality now it's a it really

1208
2:26:52 --> 2:26:59
is a grim period uh that we're facing and that we it's not over by a long ways this is just a break

1209
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this a break in the action so you mean you haven't got enough distance from the suffering to to be

1210
2:27:04 --> 2:27:13
able to do that but anyway well i see humor i see humor all the time but not uh the the the the

1211
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it's because the the reality that we have been through and that we're facing is so grim

1212
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and this and this this terrible bifurcation of humanity that they have inflicted on us

1213
2:27:27 --> 2:27:36
yeah yes sorry i am so angry all the time that i i'm angry and i i really you know i enjoy other

1214
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people's humor but i'm not so as good at it as i used to be so i could i could show you a film

1215
2:27:43 --> 2:27:49
i don't maybe you've seen it jack and everybody else um emma cook being asked questions by christine

1216
2:27:49 --> 2:27:57
anderson it's a farce honestly and emma cook is apparently completely oblivious to what lies

1217
2:27:57 --> 2:28:04
behind the questions and she makes a freudian slip as well but we can't go into that now um

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so uh you mentioned the absurd quote uh daniel the absurd pettiness which people are expected to

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yeah believe and spout um you know at dinner parties presumably um so i think that that is

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a manifestation of psychological torture to the point of um to getting people to a state of

1221
2:28:35 --> 2:28:40
stockholm syndrome which is highly dangerous of course because nobody knows what there is

1222
2:28:41 --> 2:28:48
how that will end um but also if you think of if they can get you to accept these absurd

1223
2:28:48 --> 2:28:53
pettinesses but i was talking about i didn't you know trying to make sense of it all talking about

1224
2:28:53 --> 2:29:03
arbitrariness yeah so the ridiculous um uh contradictions and the just it just made no

1225
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sense whatsoever and i thought to myself well you know if they really wanted to destabilize human

1226
2:29:11 --> 2:29:21
beings then creating a situation of arbitrariness worldwide was a great way to do it and what we've

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2:29:21 --> 2:29:29
seen in the last three years was evil in my opinion pure evil whatever that is and um and

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2:29:29 --> 2:29:35
we need to bring these people to account and i just wonder what your you know i know it's a tall

1229
2:29:35 --> 2:29:40
order but if you could just kind of say what you think about the last three years i mean i'm deeply

1230
2:29:40 --> 2:29:47
shocked about what has happened on several levels um i just wonder what you think you know i know

1231
2:29:47 --> 2:29:54
you're very brave and you're very um positive um and you don't complain and you've been one of the

1232
2:29:54 --> 2:30:01
doctors worst affected in the world to my knowledge and um we support you and

1233
2:30:03 --> 2:30:10
we um empathize with you but i just wonder what your thoughts are i think you'll probably say

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that it's not all dark that you've um but but let's see maybe you don't want to say anything

1235
2:30:18 --> 2:30:24
well you know there's something to be said that back to the idea i started off with possession

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2:30:24 --> 2:30:32
it's like people's minds got possessed with this um unreasonable need to

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um

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2:30:34 --> 2:30:42
lower it over other people to you know tell other people what to do because um a misguided sense of

1239
2:30:42 --> 2:30:48
self-righteousness if you don't get the vaccine you're killing my grandmother and how that led

1240
2:30:48 --> 2:30:56
to all sorts of atrocities and the solution at least as far as i can see is to bring back

1241
2:30:56 --> 2:31:03
reason to bring back rational thought and yet for some reason through the manipulation of

1242
2:31:03 --> 2:31:13
emotions um possession of the mind through fear um through greed through pride like how dare you

1243
2:31:13 --> 2:31:18
question me i'm the doctor you have to take this vaccine you know the the various things that can

1244
2:31:18 --> 2:31:27
possess the mind have have led to the atrocities we we witnessed in the past three years so i guess

1245
2:31:27 --> 2:31:36
the first step to removing um the possessions that can take over the mind and make us unreasonable

1246
2:31:36 --> 2:31:45
in thought and irrational in action um is first recognizing that there are things that can take

1247
2:31:45 --> 2:31:52
over our minds and make us unreasonable and being able to recognize when when each and every one of

1248
2:31:52 --> 2:32:00
us has the temptation to be possessed by greed pride you know envy or or anything for that matter

1249
2:32:00 --> 2:32:09
that taking a step back and viewing your own self and your own actions through eyes greater than

1250
2:32:09 --> 2:32:15
your own so you know the eyes of another man how would you appear to another person or how would

1251
2:32:15 --> 2:32:23
you appear under god or to the universe right is is is doing this onto another something that the

1252
2:32:23 --> 2:32:32
entire universe would look favorably upon it's like you know is is it really um a just and reasonable

1253
2:32:32 --> 2:32:38
act to tell someone that they can't go buy you know a bottle of juice from the grocery store because

1254
2:32:38 --> 2:32:48
they're not wearing a mask you know then i think that change of perspective might help in removing

1255
2:32:48 --> 2:32:56
those those entities those ideas that possess people's minds and cause them to be irrational

1256
2:32:56 --> 2:33:02
and unreasonable yeah and another thing i've noticed is that they don't seem to be particularly

1257
2:33:03 --> 2:33:09
bothered about being judged so in that sense too they've lost their humanity

1258
2:33:11 --> 2:33:16
that's okay yeah they're big questions we're over the two and a half hour mark

1259
2:33:17 --> 2:33:21
daniel we're going to let you go put your video on so for the end of the recording and steven you

1260
2:33:21 --> 2:33:30
haven't had your video on either sorry um so thank you very much um daniel for coming to speak to us

1261
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you didn't disappoint i was thinking well i need to get a really good speaker for easter sunday

1262
2:33:37 --> 2:33:43
and i thought well who in the world shall i ask and then i thought of you and it was a clear choice

1263
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for you in the end thank you very much there are a number of contenders so that's meant to be a

1264
2:33:49 --> 2:33:57
compliment and it is a compliment indeed so thank you well done daniel great all right thank you

1265
2:33:57 --> 2:34:01
daniel round of applause by everybody happy you should write books daniel

1266
2:34:03 --> 2:34:06
you should write books you said you said sell more than tall story

1267
2:34:08 --> 2:34:14
i'll try i'll get around to it sure but again it's one of those things that i don't want to

1268
2:34:14 --> 2:34:21
make the mistake of telling people what to think because if i tell people what to think then

1269
2:34:21 --> 2:34:26
i am doing the same that the globalists are trying to do is tell people what to think

1270
2:34:27 --> 2:34:33
rather i'd like to people to take my thoughts and develop their own processes of thoughts and

1271
2:34:33 --> 2:34:42
problem solving in that way so your speech so come on no no no no chiles this is very important

1272
2:34:42 --> 2:34:48
so the people on this call would be very interested in the link in the invitation to your speech

1273
2:34:48 --> 2:34:53
where you talk about the ants and the water sprinkler is turned on by someone trying to

1274
2:34:53 --> 2:35:04
water his lawn and the ant thinks climate change it was brilliant daniel and the the audience was

1275
2:35:04 --> 2:35:10
in your hand i noticed that all right thank you daniel thank you steven thank you everybody see

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2:35:10 --> 2:35:17
you on tuesday night wednesday morning for we poor people in the antipodes and

1277
2:35:18 --> 2:35:26
steven i'll get the chat to you bye have a lovely night daniel great work go get stuff british

1278
2:35:26 --> 2:35:32
columbia that's our message for the day we'll stop the recording and trudeau and a herne and

1279
2:35:33 --> 2:35:38
and justin castro correct do you think trudeau knows how to define a woman

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2:35:39 --> 2:35:45
no i think he's such a freak isn't he he's such a freak he wouldn't know what a woman is

1281
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correct thank you daniel is actually reasonably good looking but having said that she's probably

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a bitch that sounds like a marriage of convenience

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all right as these and christopher hipkins if you look at have a close look at what he looks like

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he falls into what jerry brady talks about is that these young global leaders are selected

1285
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and groomed for their desire for power and money that's how this is all working daniel

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so that's another conversation of examples of young global leaders in fact we should be

1287
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global leaders in fact we should be we should be outing them on these calls all right everybody

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we're off we're doing Daniel happy easter sunday bye thank you daniel great over to tom rodman if

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you can if you've got the time thanks