So everybody, welcome to today's discussion.
Welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International, the group founded by Dr. Stephen
Frost of Wales in mid-2021, during the darkest days of the COVID scam responses, with the
desire to pursue truth and produce, there we are, pursue and produce truth, ethics,
justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years
and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical specialty is radiology. Sadly,
the need for this group is increasing, not decreasing. The forces of evil globally are
not disappearing. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group. I'm Australasia's
passion provocateur. And my jacket is red because red is the colour of passion. The
people who attend this group are indeed passionate about the aims of this group. I
practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago. And over the last 11 years, I've
helped parents and lawyers to strategise remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical
advice. I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company. I remind you that the third highest
cause of death in America is medical misadventure. We comprise lots of professions here.
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okay up to three years ago. Now, many of us proudly say yes, we are anti-vaxxers. If this is your
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and discovery to increase our understanding of what's going on and how to more effectively
preserve and fight for truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. Most of us understand we're
in the middle of World War III and that there are various battle lines as part of this war. Some of
us believe we are in a continuation of World War II or we are in the 5G war. Most of us understand
the development of science. Many of us have become friends offline and also collaborated to fight
World War III together in different ways as a consequence of this group. I also point out that
many of us have created those friendships based on deeper bases than many friendships in the past,
which might have just been based on football or baseball or
golf with the US Masters going on today in the final round. This meeting runs for two and a half
hours after which, for those with the time, Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts
the links into the chat if you are able to join. We will listen to Daniel Nogazi, our guest presenter,
for as long as Daniel wishes to speak and then we have Q&A. If you wish to ask a question,
raise your hand using the reactions tab on the bottom of your screen after Daniel has finished.
Stephen Frost, via long established tradition, asks the first questions. There is no censorship.
It's a free speech environment but we have proper, efficient, effective moderation.
Be patient with the process of the meeting. Different people have totally different views
about what is important, what is relevant, what is nonsense. Free speech is crucially important
in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. The tragedy these days is that the majority of
people would choose security ahead of freedom and then end up with neither. This group can help you
identify your beliefs and perhaps to help you change those that no longer serve you. It is
possible to change your beliefs. You are not trapped by them. This group can help you raise
your self-awareness, a crucial factor in your enjoyment and experience of your life. If you
find yourself upset by anything that is said, look inside yourself. That's where your upset originates.
If you are offended by anything, be offended. We are genuinely not interested. We reject the
offence industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another, including
as the Prime Minister of New Zealand in the last week was unable to define what a woman is
because of the nonsense that's going on and that inability to define a woman shows the
urgency of the challenge that we face before us. I have a list of nine standard responses to
someone who claims to be offended by something that I said. If you want a copy, I'm happy to
share it with you via email. I urge you never to apologise to someone who claims to be offended.
Decide to have an open mind. It's the fastest way to learn. We come with an attitude of and
perspective of love, not fear, particularly here on today on Easter Sunday. Fear is the opposite
of love. Fear squashes you, suppresses you, depresses you. Love, on the other hand, expands
you, energises you, enhances you. Loving those with different views to your own is a challenge
and we encourage you to embrace that challenge. If you have a solution or a product that will
help people put the details into the chat, if you have links and resources that will be helpful,
put them into the chat. The meeting is recorded and is uploaded within a few days on the Rumble
channel. I will put the link into the chat. And now welcome to our guest presenter, Daniel Nogazi
from Canada, who is a man who had a man. I believe you're a man, Daniel. I call you a man.
I claim that you have a penis. And on Sky News last night, that's what James McPherson was on,
Christopher Hipkins, this loser of a prime minister of New Zealand, could not say what a woman was.
So Daniel, thank you again for giving us your time. Daniel is from Canada for your wisdom,
for your insights. And thank you again, Stephen Frost, for creating this group and for organising
our presenter today. Daniel, over to you, Dr Daniel Nogazi, I should say. Daniel, over to you.
Thank you very much for the intro. And it's especially relevant that you're talking about
beliefs and what we're going to be talking about today is challenging beliefs. So I like to get
away from the word belief and just to get to thoughts and belief as a type of thought.
So I guess the best way to introduce ways of thinking is just through examples. So one example
that I like to use, because it's very relevant and it's an eye opener for a lot of people,
is the Catholic idea of possession. So, you know, if you watch the movie Exorcist or something,
if somebody is possessed, their mind is taken over by a demon and then you have to hire an
exorcist from the church to get rid of the demon. Now, although it's very esoteric and
fancy, that idea of demons and spirits and possessions, if you boil it down to the root
idea, what is the root idea? The root idea is that something takes over the mind. So then it doesn't
have to be something esoteric like an evil spirit or anything like that. It can be something as
simple as greed. Greed can take over the mind. Lust, envy, any of the seven sins can take over
the mind and cause people to act irrationally. Fear is another one that can take over the mind. It can
cause people to do terrible things to each other, inhumane things to each other. So that's the
process. I'm not so focused on what the thought is that possession can be anything, but the process
I use to get to the root idea, something that seems strange and out of this world, that if you
boil it down to the root thought, the root idea behind it, it's actually something that's very
relevant to daily life. So then moving on, the next example, I noticed this was maybe about a year and
a half ago. And a pastor at a friend of mine, his church, kept going on to me and he kept saying
the word, the word, the word. And I said, well, what's more important, the word or the idea?
And then he just had a blank look on his face. And the thing is that blank look, he just could
not move past words into the ideas. And I was like, what is blocking his thought? Because I've
seen something like this previously. For example, if you challenge someone's belief that the
vaccine is safe and effective, and this is with other doctors and nurses, if you challenge that
belief, all of a sudden their thought process is paralyzed. You say, well, how do you know it's
safe and effective? And you just get a blank look. Why? Is it because they said so? But of course,
because someone says so, especially if you're a doctor, doesn't mean that something is safe.
I mean, thalidomide was said to be safe, right? There's dozens of medications that I was taught
in medical school to use in various conditions that five years, 10 years after medical school,
they all have black box warnings because of serious and deadly side effects. So again,
especially from a doctor's point of view, challenging someone's belief that the vaccine
is safe and effective should automatically lead to the next thought. Oh yeah, there was this
medication that I was taught to prescribe when I was in medical school. Now it has a black box
warning. So the test of time showed that something that was spoken of as being safe is not really safe.
But for some reason with this pandemic, even highly intelligent people, their thought processes
hit a wall. And then of course that goes on to all sorts of issues throughout society.
You know, the masking, the shutdowns, the lockdowns, did any of it make sense? But it didn't make sense.
But challenging people to think through why it did not make sense, you saw people again and again,
they come with this blank look on their face. It's like their thoughts hit a wall. And then
I started exploring, well, what's the motivations behind this? You know, we're hearing about 15
minute cities, digital IDs, and I'm thinking, how do the globalists think of us? What do they view
us as? And the thought that came to my mind with lockdowns and certain cities that you can only move
a certain distance and being tagged with a digital ID, well, that to me sounded like they must think
of us like livestock. So what do you do with livestock? Livestock are kept in pens, right?
They have a fence around them so that they cannot go astray. And then I boiled that down to an idea.
So if you keep livestock in physical pens to keep them from going astray, what if you took that idea
of keeping people fenced in and you turned it to thoughts? Do the globalists have a system
for keeping people's thoughts from going astray? And how do they do that? How do they build these
mental cages that keep our minds trapped just like livestock would be trapped in a farmer's
field because they're fenced in? So then I gave it some more thought and you encounter it all the time.
If you try to challenge, let's say a child psychologist or even a pediatrician, is it really
a good idea to block a child's biological development, to interrupt it and force them to try
and externally change their appearance to the opposite gender, making them dependent on
pharmaceuticals for the rest of their life? If you try to challenge a pediatrician with that idea,
they get a blank look on their face and any argument they present to you is not logical.
There's no reason to it. So I thought, wow, is there a thought cage? Is there a mental cage
preventing this pediatrician, a highly trained doctor, from thinking? And how does that system
work? So then I was thinking about other examples, historically, for example, the Cultural Revolution
in China. That was a giant mental caging event. All of a sudden professors were jailed. Anyone who
was deemed bourgeoisie was thrown in jail, tortured. They had their belongings taken from them.
And you had all sorts of rules. You cannot criticize the Communist Party. You cannot
criticize Chairman Mao. And all these thought cages, you're not allowed to do this. You're
not allowed to think this. You're not allowed to say this. It came with the penalty of fear
because anyone who dared to speak out during the Cultural Revolution times in China,
they were executed. They had all their possessions taken from them. They were
sent to retraining torture camps. And what that did was not only did it create fear in the person
who committed the thought crime, it spread a message of fear to everyone else that you cannot
dare question the chairman of the Chinese Communist Party. And that was the key.
The thought cage, the thought cages that are trapping us, even to this day with this COVID,
the fear, the vaccines, it's a thought cage based on the process of fear. And fear is the key
that takes intelligent minds and makes them stupid. It blocks them. Even a highly intelligent mind
paralyzed by fear, it gets fenced in. It cannot think further. And I thought, wow, that's
diabolical. So then I was in my last speech that I did in Medicine Hat, Alberta, I was going through
the mathematical process of integrals and derivatives. So the integral, the conceptual
way to think of it is what's the next level. So let's say, for example, you have a house,
the integral of the house is how to build the house. It's not the actual object. And then the
integral of the process to build the house is the reason to create the process that builds the house.
So in the same way, I apply that three step process of mathematical integrals or taking things to the
next level to this idea of a thought cage. So the thought cage is the product, it cages the mind.
The process is fear. So fear cages the mind. That's the process that builds these thought
cages. And then what's the purpose? And then I had to think about that. Well,
what is the fear being used to achieve? Well, in the Chinese Cultural Revolution,
it was to create obedience. And some of the diktats from the Communist Party
were absurdly petty. It's like you cannot say or you cannot speak the chairman's name
in a derogatory sentence. And I thought, well, what's the purpose for having such a petty
rule that results in atrocious punishments being sent to a reeducation camp? And then I thought,
well, if absurd compliance with petty rules is the purpose behind it is to ensure compliance
with big rules such as, you know, the Communist Party is recruiting people to fight another war.
So by being absolutely draconian on the smallest and pettiest things imaginable,
it gives an opportunity to apply the fear and to scare the population that when there is
a major rule that's put in, like, you know, you have to go invade Vietnam or what not,
that there is a high degree of compliance. And ensuring a high degree of compliance with major
acts is done by ensuring fear and draconian punishments for minor acts. So then I thought,
well, the purpose is obedience, slavery. In a way, you're thinking, well, is that the same
motif that's coming through today with the COVID narrative? There was the fear, there was the
fear, there was the obedience. You have, you know, grocery store clerks calling the police
on customers who come into the grocery store without a mask on. It happened to me, right?
And you have this absurd pettiness and this absurd overreaction to the minor, the most minor of
infractions. And we see it all throughout, even before this COVID pandemic, if you dare to question,
you know, the trans agenda, then all of a sudden you're pilloried, you're labeled a bigot, you have
a gross overreaction, an exaggeration for the purposes of creating fear, and hopefully on the
other side to try and punish those who question the existing thought system. And so then I thought,
wow, this system of caging minds through the process of fear for the purposes of obedience,
wow, that's been going on for a long time. If it's been going on for decades,
has it been going on for centuries? If it's been going on for centuries, has it been going on for
millennia? That was a big question of mine. So then came the question of 10 commandments.
And looking at everything that's happened in my life and in the past three years,
you know, if I could boil all the problems that we've experienced with the forced vaccinations,
the mandates, the lockdowns, the job losses, the punishment to anyone who dares to question it,
it seemed to me that the root cause is fear. Fear of exiting the thought cage of the day.
So the thought cage of the day is vaccines are safe and the coronavirus is deadly. So the fear
of escaping or the fear of others escaping this thought cage caused people to do completely
inhumane things to each other. And we saw that all throughout the world. We saw the vicious
beatings by police in Australia. We saw the snipers in Ottawa during the truckers convoy
pointing loaded rifles at women, children and kids who are out there trying to stand up for their
right to control what goes into their own body. So we saw, and you know, to this day in Alberta,
there's still four men in jail on charges based on hearsay that they were plotting a conspiracy
against the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. And they've been in jail for over a year and a half,
again, without bail on hearsay allegations of conspiracy. So if fear was the root cause,
and fear seems to be the root cause of a lot of atrocities, whether it was in Nazi Germany or
a communist China, then well, why not make an 11th commandment? Thou shall not fear. And then after
that speech, I went back and I started to look over some of the other 10 commandments, because
nowadays I'm starting to question everything. Because once you see start seeing one thought
cage, you start to see a lot of thought cages everywhere, right? Zero sum economics, is that a
thought cage? And then my thoughts wander do well, are the 10 commandments a type of thought cage?
Well, let's look at it. Some of the commandments are very sensible, like thou shall not murder,
makes sense. I agree, that's a very reasonable commandment. And then some commandments,
there seem to be a bit of a discrepancy. And the one that came to mind is, thou shalt not say the
Lord's name in vain. As like, suppose you were the creator of the universe. Would you really
pay much mind to what people think of you? You created an entire universe. It's like the ant,
like, when we walk around, do we wonder, or do we care what an ant thinks of us? You know, if an ant
is cussing at us saying, oh, that damn human flooded my nest a third time, do we pay mind to that?
And so would the creator of the universe, assumingly being all wise,
and knowing that from time to time, his creations, encounter frustrations, swear,
say his name in vain, is that really worthy of being a 10 commandment? And I thought about that,
because the similarities to the speech censorship, thou shalt not say the God's name in vain,
that seems kind of like, you know, thou shalt not speak ill of Chairman Mao. And I thought, well,
what is the purpose of that? And then I thought, do people lie? Of course people lie. People lie
about all sorts of things. People lie for money, greed, power, you know, people murder and then lie
about it. So what if way back, thousands of years ago, somebody actually lied about the 10 commandments
being all straight from God? And then I was like, oh, now we got a problem. If some of the 10
commandments are designed in a way to cause pettiness, what is the purpose? Is it the same
thought motif as the communist Chinese revolution and their propaganda, thou shall not criticize,
and by punishing criticism to an extreme degree, then it ensures obedience and compliance.
So by putting or sneaking in a commandment that is petty by nature, but supposedly because it is one
of the 10 commandments, just as serious as the commandment not to murder, then isn't that an
implicit threat that simply saying, God damn, that should deserve the same punishment as murder?
Because it's right there in the 10 commandments. And so if there is such a petty commandment
in the 10 commandments, is it a thought cage, a thought cage for the purposes
of instilling obedience? And if it's for the purposes of instilling obedience,
hmm, now we have a problem. We have something that may have been the word of God at some point,
and then some enterprising humans decided to alter it with psychological techniques to cause
a culture or a thought pattern of unquestioning obedience. And then after one, two, three, maybe
4,000 years of habituation of us, the humans, to a pattern of thought that emphasizes obedience
with the threat of extreme punishment. Is that the reason why we're here today? Is that the reason
why so many people fail to use their abilities of thought? Is it the fear that is instilled by
false commandments? And then I thought, wow, that's really interesting. So then I had a bit of a text
message back and forth with a Christian friend of mine, and he quoted a bunch of scripture to me.
And then the word sheep must have appeared at least a dozen times in this two page long
text message. And again, I boiled it down to the idea. It's like, okay, well, there's the
scripture he's quoting, but this theme of sheep keeps appearing over and over and over again,
sheep, sheep, sheep, sheep, sheep. And I'm like, hmm, does that mesh with what I've been told is
the meaning behind the Pharaoh's staff? Because in Egyptian times, they have those hieroglyphs where
the Pharaoh is painted holding a staff with a big hook on the one end. And supposedly that is a
sheep herding staff, that the big hook on the end, the big round hook is meant for grabbing
sheep by the neck and turning them around if they're going in a direction that you don't want them
to go. So why would a Pharaoh, supreme ruler of Egypt, creator of pyramids, be walking around
holding a sheep herding stick, unless it was symbolism for something? The Pharaoh was the
sheep herder who herded his people with a sheep stick and probably also kept them penned in,
but maybe not with a physical pen, but with a mental pen, a mental fence, a mental cage.
And then what someone told me that the incantation at the end of every Christian prayer, amen,
is actually an incantation for one of the last Pharaohs, amen hotep. And I was like, oh,
is that the reason why my Christian friend is quoting so much scripture to me? That embedded
within the scripture is sheep herding symbolism, sheep herding symbolism that goes back to the
dates of the Pharaoh. Is this religious text, in fact, a very cleverly designed thought cage?
And the purpose of the thought cage is to instill a pattern of thought of unquestioning obedience.
These are all thoughts, right? And so all I can do is observe and see whether or not my theories,
or my thoughts on the matter, agree with reality. And it is the case that some of my friends,
they just cannot escape thinking outside of the Bible. Like anything outside of the Bible,
their mind runs into a wall and they can't think beyond it. And I have to think back to
my earliest encounters with religion. And my earliest encounter with religion, I think
my parents sent me to a Christian Bible camp. And, you know, as any young boy, I loved dinosaurs.
I was fascinated by the idea that there used to be giant monsters, dinosaurs roaming the earth.
And then one of the pastors said to me, oh, that's all the devil's work.
And I thought, you just made that up. It doesn't say anywhere in the New Testament or the Old
Testament that if you find big bones in the ground, it's the devil's work. He just made that up,
right? To dissuade me from thinking about prehistoric times. And so from that age,
I don't know how old I was, maybe I was seven or eight. I've carried with me an extreme degree
an extreme degree of skepticism of everything. And more and more, everything that I see around me,
whether it's thought systems, belief systems, I always subjected to a mental test. Does it make
sense? And sometimes I can't find the answer. A lot of times I can't find the answer. And,
you know, there's things that, you know, I'll never find the answer in my lifetime.
But for the things that I do find answers for, that I apply mental process, getting rid of the,
how do I say, riff raff, and just getting back to the original idea behind a belief,
that I find has been very rewarding because it's
it's removed the veil of illusion from the reality that I live in. And then,
funny thing, because I'm here in Alberta, I have a lot of debates with people who are very fixated
on creationism. And the thought that occurred to me is that
at this point in history, we are actually able to create another man, we can create man, or any
species for that matter, nucleotide by nucleotide, from the ground up, base pair by base pair, we
could create another huge, another species entirely, four arms, eight legs, two heads, we could,
we could literally create anything, because the technology already exists. Now, whether that
happens in 50 years or 100 years, I mean, on a geologic time scale, 100 years is a millisecond,
it's just a drop in the bucket. So just as cell phones used to be giant radio telephones,
and now cell phones are things we can hold in our hand, genetic technology, which has been
making chimeras or spliced together hybrids of different species, we've been doing that since the
80s and 90s. So it's only a matter of time, whether it be 50 or 100 years, that, you know, we could,
we could make another species from the ground up, from every single, you know, just rewriting DNA
from scratch. So then the question occurred to me that perhaps the whole question of whether or not
man was created or evolved is moot. That in what we know of history spanning back about
eight to 10,000 years, supposedly 10,000 years ago, we were all in the stone age. And in the span of
about 10,000 years, stone technology turns into genetic technology, space technology and nuclear
technology. But the oldest North American fossils indicate that the human species, Homo sapiens,
sapiens has been around for 50,000 years. And then the oldest worldwide human remains date back to
150 to 300,000 years ago. So if that's the case, how many times in prior human history has there
been advanced genetic technology? And if there has been advanced genetic technology, thousands of
years in the past, tens or maybe even 100,000 years in the past, literally the perspective that
humans were creative might be true, might be absolutely true. We were genetically engineered
and we were spliced together. And then so I thinking, well, isn't that a funny thought? Well,
is there any way to prove that or disprove that? Or any way to try and figure out what the likelihoods
of something like that are happening? So then I thought back to the semester of computer programming
that I took at McGill. And what I learned from computer programming is that programmers are
pretty lazy. If there's a certain set of code that you can just cut and paste and repeat,
then you just cut and paste and repeat it as often as you need, as opposed to having to write
everything from scratch. And then, you know, looking at the human genome projects been completed for a
couple of decades already, but you look at, let's say the motifs to code for fingers, right? The
structure of each finger, each digit is the same, right? It's the meta-metacarpal, it's the proximal
phalanx, it's the middle phalanx, it's the distal phalanx. So if you wrote the genetic code for one
finger, making five is no problem. You just do cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste it. If they
all looked exactly the same, well, hmm, maybe we'll just change the variable for the length
of the finger. So we make one short, one a little bit longer, this one longer, and this one a little
bit fatter. Is that a reasonable process? What else has five fingers? Well, if you look at whales,
whale bones, their fins have five fingers, they have five digits. It's just that it's all webbed
within a fin. And it's like, well, is that somebody playing cut and paste? It's like, oh,
we've just made one new species. Why not we just use the same vertebrate gene sequence,
make it bigger for a whale, and oh, it'll be too obvious if the whale had fingers, maybe it'll be
more efficient if we attached webbing between the fingers. Or how about a fin? Fin would be the most
hydrodynamically efficient for swimming. But they used the same DNA template, adjusting variables
for scale and maybe attaching a few attachments like webbing. Because one thing that did strike me
when I did embryology before medical school and during a medical school is that during the embryo
development from fertilized ovum to you have the three layers, the ectoderm, mesoderm, and the
endoderm. And the stages of development, there literally is a stage where the human fetus does
look pretty reptilian. In fact, it looks exactly like a reptile's vertebrate embryo. It's only
during the later stages that the embryo changes its shape, its morphology, to look more and more
like a human baby, whereas a lizard's embryo gets more and more lizard-like. So if we're seeing the
same biological motifs, the process of development, fingers, vertebrate, spine, head, thorax, limb,
type of structure, and we're seeing that across multiple species,
was someone just playing cut and paste with the same template and then making changes to make each
one look a little bit different from each other? That's the thought that crossed my mind.
And so that's currently where my thoughts are now. If I could read DNA, I was better at reading ACGT,
I guess it would take a couple years to become proficient at reading DNA, but perhaps more of
these repetitive motifs might come up. And by observing repeated motifs in the blueprint of
DNA, then we might get an insight that, oh, wow, maybe we were created
in a process not all that dissimilar to computer programming, where you take
functional segments of code that are functional and you repeat those segments and modify those
segments to more specific purposes. And yeah, those are my thoughts of the day, or thoughts of
the month. Excellent. I'd like to open it up to questions. Absolutely. Excellent, excellent
thought provoking. You see, we've all got thoughts and now we've got some more thoughts because
Daniel, you shared your thoughts and we are grateful that you have done so. They are
one of my favorite quotes is that thinking is the hardest work there is. That's why so few people
engage in it. And the reason why self-awareness that I mentioned in the intro is so relevant is
because most people are really not even aware of the thoughts that they have. So for 30 years,
I've been coaching senior executives and I asked them, what do they believe? Most people don't
know what they believe. They literally consciously do not know what they believe. And so I think
and yet those beliefs and thoughts guide their actions. And there's also a wonderful Latin maxim
in the law that says, raise ipsa locata, the facts speak for themselves. Someone's actions
speak for themselves. You don't have to look at what they say, look at what they do. Now,
before we get to Stephen questions, one of the issues that comes up in the group and wonderful
conversations I have with members of the group is we're going to do something because we are in big
trouble. Well, Stephen created this group for that reason. We are in big trouble. Question of whether
it's bigger than if you look at the history of Constantinople or the history of Prague,
two wonderful books written about it, you know, the world, what sort of trouble we're in, is it
worse, better? Now, one of the things that this group does is bring people in touch with each
other and conversations happen offline about what needs to be done from these mental cages, from
the fear that's being imposed. And it has been the view of many and certainly of me that uniting the
people against evil is one of the crucial ways that we're going to win this. And there's some
links in the chat today, for example, of the pedophile, the global pedophile rings,
the anti child trafficking organization, which used to be based in Budapest, I think it still is,
it says at least 10 million children a year are trafficked, are sold, are used for all sorts of
purposes. There's plenty of evil on the planet. So this group puts people in touch. And if you say,
what am I going to do? Well, I'll give you a couple of answers. Number one, Stephen Frost.
And I'm just quoting you, Stephen, while you're thinking of questions. But this is very important
because you said, and I agree with you, that if doctors had pushed back against the COVID scam,
in large numbers, it would not have happened. And so one of the big one of the huge benefits
of this group is to keep reminding us of, hey, what we're being fed is lies. And we've got
Marlboro coming over the hill, we've got bird flu nonsense coming over the hill. If we don't get
large numbers of doctors pushing back, it'll the scam will happen again. So this group reminds
each one of us, hey, we've got to create groups to take action. Now, the other you can do is to
find out about actions that are happening from this group, such as Ryan Cole and the resilience
tour. And, and that is Ryan is the president of the resilience tour. It's designed to get people
who are in the middle to understand the threats. And so each one of you can say, I will support
the resilience tour. Ryan Cole and Maria Hoodman Mogg have created this. It's something you can all
join to support. You say, what are we going to do? Support it. And doctors and doctors should
be thinking about new health systems, which many of us have, don't rely on the existing system.
John Baldwin says, I want to be ready good, create new health systems. And people say,
I can't afford to pay you. Well, if you can't afford if your house is more important than your
health, then don't go to Daniel Nagazi. If Daniel is a deregistered doctor, he's still a brilliant
health practitioner. Stevens, all of you are brilliant health practitioners. That's what
this group is designed to do to let go of what Daniel's been talking about that fear. And if
any of you want, and I've said this before, if you want to do something, then send an email
to Steven, send one to me, and we'll put you in touch with people who are doing stuff. There's
a lot of people doing stuff. And so this is not just a talk fest. This is an inspiration place
where you each one of us goes out and then says, how do we unite people against this evil?
So lastly, Steven, I want to, I want to share. Well, I'll share a bit later after you ask your
questions, a wonderful live performance by Blake Sestimus, five times August of his wonderful song.
He did it on high wire last week, but is just wonderful to watch. So I'll show I'll play that
a little bit later. But that's where we're seated, everybody. And the bird flu is coming and say,
right now, how are we going to stop this? Well, Steven, if we get thousands of doctors pushing
back against the bird flu nonsense, then it won't take hold. Some thoughts for all of you
to think about on Easter Sunday a day where, where the Christ said, perfect love casts out
all fear. Thank you, Daniel, for sharing your thoughts. Steven over to you.
So Daniel, I agree with you. Well, I think you're what you're saying was that you don't know what
you believe any longer. And neither do I, if I'm absolutely honest. But the problem is that human
beings need leaders. So and also groups. So they need to unite around ideas. But actually,
the notion that human beings can understand much of a universe, which is so vast that it's beyond
the ken of most people on this call, unless they're crazy like me, interested in maths,
and aware of the huge distances. Well, and the universe could extend to infinity. Well,
there is then there's no ending, of course. But if there is an ending is still expanding,
and it's been expanding for 13 and a half billion years, we're told we don't even know that. So
we're trying to explain a universe which we can't even conceive of. And we haven't either known what
civilised you know, the kind of civilisation that we've known since the Second World War, say,
because life wasn't very good before that. And so, at times, I think that people are spoiled
nowadays, they expect life to be normal and comfortable. And it's never been comfortable
for animals, and not for human beings either. So I don't know how we address this, but a good start
would be to teach people if they don't know how big the universe is, as far as we know anyway,
maybe we don't know. And how long it's been here. And then we might get the necessary humility
to unite around sensible ideas, because I don't think we're going to be able to unite around
knowledge, absolute knowledge. So it's difficult. But you're a very good speaker,
Daniel, unlike me. So if you could maybe address some of those, you don't really have to answer
the question, but your thoughts on that. We should be humble in the face of our existence,
but we're not humble. People are absolutely certain about things, and even especially
well educated in inverted commas, because it turns out that they weren't very well educated.
You know, I think the thought solution in one way would be to think in greater time scales.
So thinking in greater time scales, if you're thinking in 100 years from now,
1000 years from now, 10,000 years from now, then really the day to day problems are immaterial.
So then the my goal for the time being, in addition to doing local things that we can do to try and
bring justice back into the world. But the longer term solution, I suspect is going to have to be a
change in consciousness, that people move beyond having a belief or holding on to a belief,
and start thinking in terms of what processes result in certain beliefs. And then what purpose
is there for a certain process in order to achieve a certain belief system. And it seems very esoteric,
but I suspect that the more people start to think in terms of process, that what they hold as belief
has an origin, and the origin is the thought process that creates the belief.
So for something like, for example, what's the- So it's necessary for them to think certain
thoughts, you mean? Yeah, it's to go through the mental process of creativity. Because
and the example from my life just recently this weekend is, you know, when I write a new song on
the guitar or the piano, it's actually not the song that is what brings me joy. It's the process
of writing it. Right? So the process of authorship, of creating something is where
the light is, for the lack of a better word. That's where the spark of energy comes from. The product
is a result, but the process is even more enlightening. That's the best way I can put it.
And striving for things, even if they're difficult, is good in itself, because it
feeds the soul, whatever that is, and the spirit, whatever that is. You mean that?
Creativity is good in its own right. So I agree with you. I like creating things, including thoughts.
And that's why I think it was valuable in Medicine Hat that I go through the process
of creating a new belief. So the new belief we created in Medicine Hat was, well, how about an
11th commandment? What do you all think? Right? I mean, it's fine for me to have a thought, but if
you engage in- You've frozen, Daniel.
You know what? Maybe we should do not fear. Because when you think about things beyond the scale of
your own lifetime, really, there's not much to fear at all. You know, the universe is here for
our enlightenment, our enjoyment, our benefit. So-
Exactly. So 13 and a half thousand million years, then
the universe is- Oh, you've frozen, Daniel. You've frozen twice now.
Sorry. I don't know whether, maybe, oh, we'd like to see you, but
if it becomes a problem, maybe you can try without video for a while. That'd be weird.
I'll try that and see if that works a little bit better. So, you know, it sounds all high and mighty.
You know, it sounds all high and mighty.
Look upon the world's eyes greater than your best process of that idea is put yourself in
another man's shoes. Sure. Not so easy. So what else did I think? So I thought your-
But see through the eyes of someone who is looking at coin. And then if you keep expanding
that from just the person in the other person's point of view, then to see yourself from a world
point of view or something greater than that. And then you can also expand your point of view once
more to include the points of view throughout all time, to see yourself from the future,
to see yourself from the future from another man's perspective, to see yourself in the future from,
you know, the perspective, the collective perspectives of all. Right. That's a pretty
mind bending one, but it starts with something as simple as just look at yourself from another
man's eyes, walk in another man's shoes. So, Daniel, do you think we've got free will?
And have you read Tolstoy's the epilogue of war and peace? I just wonder.
I didn't know there was an epilogue to war and peace. Well, there isn't in Sweden, interestingly,
which I pointed out to the Russian department of Stockholm university to a lecturer,
professor, I think of Russian. And she said, who are you? Sorry. Yes, professor, Swedish professor
of Russian. And she said, who are you? And I said, I'm a doctor. And she said, what do you know about
it? I said, I've read it in English and it isn't in the Swedish translation. And Swedish people
aren't aware that the epilogue exists. So you as the professor of Russian at Stockholm university
should be interested in that, in my opinion. She was telling me off because she didn't want to hear
what I had to say about Tolstoy's war and peace epilogue. It's about 50 pages long. It's brilliant.
Wow. Yeah, he talks about. So I read that when I was 18, took me six weeks, 19 I was on the tube in
London, you know, the underground. Six weeks it took and it changed my life. I didn't really,
I couldn't articulate why it did, but it was very interesting read to say the least.
You know, since we're talking about the nature of the universe, I wasn't planning to talk about this,
but if we have the time, I don't know if this is the case or not, but it's a simple application
of process and it's an example of a thought process. So nature of the universe, let's say,
let's start with the zero dimension, right? The zero dimension zero is a point. It either exists
or it doesn't exist. So it's a point in space and then one dimension is a line. So a line can be
thought of as a series of points in space. So the property that you get in the first dimension that
you don't have in the zero dimension is distance. So the zero dimension has existence and non
existence. That's it's only two states of being. You're frozen. Now from the first dimension.
Can you hear me now? Yes, but you have like about, I think in total about
seven or eight times you, we've lost a few words.
It wasn't happening when you were speaking, which was a good thing.
Okay. Sorry. The internet.
It was happening when you were speaking, but we couldn't tell because it was frozen.
We missed a lot of what you said. Okay. I didn't notice. I must say. Okay.
Frozen again, I think. So since a line second dimension is an area. So
yeah, distance, existence and non-existence. The line only has the properties of distance
and the zero dimension, the dot only has the property of existence or non-existence.
So then we move up to the third dimension where you have volume.
You thought you turned your video off. Your video is still on. You know that.
Okay. Oh, maybe that's what's interrupting thing. There you go. All right. So the third dimension
can be thought of as a series of two dimensional planes. So a series of the second dimension.
So what are the processes in effect here? So the process is every dimension is a series of the
dimension below. Every dimension has a property that the dimension below does not have. And
every dimension is only viewable from one dimension above. So the last process that every dimension
is only viewable from one dimension above is that the line cannot see itself. The only thing you
can see in the one dimension is a dot or the absence of a dot. So when you're on a two
dimensional plane, you can see dots and lines, but you can't see yourself in the third dimension.
You already have a volume. You can view two dimensional areas, but a three dimensional
volume can never view itself. So then if we apply those same three rules, the fourth dimension is
not actually time. The fourth dimension is a series of three dimensional volumes. Now,
what does that mean? Well, it means that you cannot see any three dimensional object without time.
Now that seems pretty esoteric, but again, we're just going to follow the same three processes.
Every dimension is a series of the dimension below. Every dimension has a property that does
not exist in the previous dimension. So then, well, if we take that in terms of a time line,
one series of three dimensional objects, let's say it's a balloon that gradually gets larger
because it's being inflated. So that would be a time line where there's a series of three
dimensional objects. So let's make multiple time lines and make a time area. So what is a time area?
A time area is the fifth dimension because it's made up of a series of four dimensional time lines.
So what property exists in the fifth dimension that does not exist in the fourth dimension?
Because the fourth dimension property, as far as our human minds can understand it,
is called something we call time. Well, the fifth dimensional property, I would say, is causality
because if there is only one time line in existence, then the balloon is fated to grow
larger and larger and larger and the air is fated to go into the balloon. So there's only one time
line. And if there's only one time line in existence, there can be no causality. The only
thing that exists is fate. Now, if you have multiple time lines, let's say one time line when the balloon
is being inflated, one time line when the balloon is being deflated and one time line when the balloon
is not doing anything at all. Now, when you have the simultaneous existence of three different
time lines and the ability to choose to move from one time line to another, to an inflating
time line, to a deflating time line, to a do nothing time line, now you can have a property,
a physical property called causality, right? Because now you have different choices and
depending on the choice that you use, the air either goes into the balloon or goes out of the
balloon. So if your mind can view multiple time lines, then you are able to comprehend
cause and effect. Air going into the balloon makes the balloon bigger. Air going out of the balloon
makes the balloon smaller. And that property can only exist if there exists something called a time
area where there's multiple time lines for every single three-dimensional object in existence.
And then, well, okay, well, one of the rules we made up was that every dimension is only viewable
from one dimension above. So if your consciousness is able to contemplate multiple different
time lines or different fates for a three-dimensional object, then your consciousness
at the very minimum must be on the sixth dimension, which is a time volume, looking down upon the fifth
dimension, which is a time area composed of all the possible time lines for every three-dimensional
object. So then what the hell is a time volume? That's a really good question. So the way I
approach the thought of a time volume is that let's say I want to become an astronaut. If I want to
become an astronaut, that choice is only available to me on my time area. That is the choices I can
make in my life if somebody else chooses on their time area to let me go to astronaut school.
So then every conscious being has a time area where the choices are not infinite. The choices
are only what that particular consciousness has available to it on the various time lines that it
can control. So the timelines that I can control is, you know, do I have a sip of coffee or do I go
to bed early or do I stay up late? Do I play my guitar? Do I apply for a medical license in Texas?
Do I apply to astronaut school? Those are the timelines available to me, but the timeline to
actually become an astronaut only becomes realized if somebody else on their time area where they have
100 different candidates all wanting to go to space, it will only become real if they choose me
to be an astronaut cadet on their timeline or on their time area. So a time volume is the combined
time areas of every conscious being making choices between different timelines that are available to
them. So then I was like, okay, well, that's, so we went to the sixth dimension with the time volume.
What is a series of time volumes? Well, a series of time volumes is, well, that's like every
consciousness in the universe. I'm like, oh, that seems like a good idea. So the time volume,
every time volume, then that becomes one unit of the seventh dimension. So the seventh dimension
is every single consciousness in one universe. Now, all right, well, let's try and, so what's
another seventh dimension? A second unit of the seventh dimension would be a completely different
universe that operates with different physics, different rules. All of a sudden it's not
positive, negative electricity. It's positive, negative, west, north, south, electricity.
Electricity might have eight different poles in a completely different universe, but every universe
imaginable and every universe that is beyond the imagination, that is the collective, that's all the
units of the seventh dimension. So a series of the seventh dimension, which would be one unit of the
eighth dimension would be everything imaginable and everything unimaginable. So if the eighth dimension
one state of being in the eighth dimension is everything imaginable and unimaginable,
then the only alternative state that the eighth dimension can take is absolutely nothing,
including the idea of nothing at all. And doesn't that sound a lot very, very similar
to the zero dimension?
A question or... Sorry, I went on a rant there.
Yeah, I just wanted to make a comment. So... No, not yet, Tom. Hang on, we've got hands up, Tom.
Oh, that's right. Keep going, Daniel.
So Daniel, do you think it's possible that it's necessary for human beings and for cats, for that
matter, and dogs to think that they're making choices, to think that they are more powerful
than they in fact are? And is there a possibility in your mind, because I've always thought this,
that it could be just an illusion that we have free choice, you know? So you ask most people,
have you got free choice? They say, of course I can choose this and I can choose... Yeah, but
you know, it's possible, isn't it, that everybody's doing things and they couldn't actually have done
anything different from what they did do at that given moment because of what... Because of their...
the environment and what they've inherited from their ancestors. And that's of course ultimately
environment. So we think... So we would look at animals, we do look at animals, well perhaps
not on this call, I don't know, and we think that they're slaves of fate. But why should human
beings be any different? Because we're just animals too. We do die. We come into this universe
without making any choice about it and then we're expected to... Well, we have this urge to kind of
survive and we have to... The answer to that would be in a very unusual idea called imagination.
So imagination allows one to experience a different timeline in a limited extent
without actually having to go through that timeline. So in a universe where every single
timeline exists and that the only choice is the consciousness deciding which timeline to choose
after exploring the future of one particular choice or another particular choice. The ability
to imagine and have a premonition of what happens if I do this versus if I do that, that is...
That is the ability that... Well, I mean some animals, they do plan ahead so you can say they
have imagination too, right? Because they can decide, well, you know, I'm not going to drink
this water, I'm going to wait for the less muddy water further up the creek or something like that.
So I wouldn't be so arrogant as to presume we're the only species that can imagine, but I think
something about fate versus free choice has to do with imagination. Or is it... We have to believe
that we have free choice, otherwise we can't function. So you can have... I think it's easier
to function without free choice. It makes decisions really easy. It's like, oh, I was just meant to do
that, right? It takes a lot of anxiety and thought processes away so that you can just... But one of
the things that Tolstoy, I think he talks about is that it takes away responsibility as well. So
if there's no such thing as free will, then no one can help how they act. And so do we have the
right to imprison people? You know, I mean, it depends how seriously you regard prison when you
start looking at the, you know, our pathetic lives, you know, lasting less than a hundred years,
generally. And in the face of a universe which has been around for 13,000 million years, and we've
and human beings in that roughly their present form, I think you said have been around for
two to 300,000 years. So that's a big time. That's a lot of time when human beings weren't around.
So I wonder also, Daniel, whether you think there are possibilities, this possibility in your mind,
you don't have to be right or prove it, but do you think it's possible that we've gone this through?
Is that what you're suggesting in your speech, your talk, that it's possible that this has all
happened before multiple times? There's certainly been time for that to happen, because we're talking
about- I suspect so. We're talking about 30,000 times the length of time which human beings have
been around, what we think we know about the universe being around for 13 and a half billion
years or whatever it is. That's right. Well, given enough time, the likelihood that species were
created is and evolved, created or evolved or both, it becomes a certainty.
It's unlikely that in 300,000 years of tool use, we've never developed genetic technology before.
Yeah. Because it only takes 10,000 years to go from stones to DNA sequencers.
So evolution has progressed remarkably slowly, hasn't it? If you believe it. So gone for 13,000
million years, and we finally get to human beings in the last 200,000 to 300,000 years, and they're
not even human beings as we know them. And then we've only been civilized, the kind of civilization
that we've known, we have known since after the Second World War, as far as I can understand.
It was very hard life between the world wars and before the First World War, as I understand it.
I think there's a big possibility that we're... So it's remarkable that we're here, isn't it? That
we're actually living at this time, and we have the consciousness, but maybe human beings are not
capable of having thoughts, which makes sense of all this. So actually, it's possible that it's no
really good idea to be thinking about these things except that it makes us feel better
when we're trying to be creative. It certainly gives perspective. Sure. And it leads to humility,
maybe, and that's a good thing. Yeah. All right. We got hands up, Steven.
Yes, I've bored everybody to death probably. All right. All right. No very, very relevant
conversations. We've got hands up, so we'll go to others. I also want to play a song for you all.
Rima, Rima. Fighting for freedom. Yes, absolutely. Please everybody go to
Prevent Genocide 2030, take action and share that. But that's not why I put my hand up.
First of all, I enjoyed your presentation, Daniel, enormously. It was thoughtful. It was
rich. It was widely focused and exciting. And I want to disagree with a basic premise in a
friendly spirit. We are cognizers. Everyone here has been trained in the art of cognizing.
We love the feeling of thinking and of thinking our way through things. But it is my contention,
my belief, my experience that ideas, so-called left hemisphere kinds of understanding,
and we all know that that's a very rough analogy. It's not exactly how it works,
but you know what I mean. Cognition does not change behavior. All of the things that you talked about,
the thought cages that you talked about, not one of them is based on rational thought. They're all
based on emotion, on the manipulation of emotions. I happen to believe that all religions and
cultures and societies manipulate feelings and then create thought forms or thought processes
to rationalize that manipulation of feelings. And then they get people to do what they want
based on the feelings. Fear is not a thought. It's a feeling. Love is not a thought. It's a feeling.
And then you have thoughts about it afterwards. So all this manipulation, all this thought caging,
I love that term, by the way, all that thought caging that you're describing is based on the
either inchoate or coate, unintentional or intentional manipulation of feeling,
which lives in the gut and then percolates up to the brain. And then thoughts and feeling,
thoughts are formed around those feelings, and that changes behavior. If we, people who want to
see a different outcome from the globalist enslavement and massive destruction, if we want
something else to happen, we can't talk ideas to people whom we want to join us, to people whom
we want to see and think differently. We have to give them something that touches their hearts
and then develop the ideas or have them develop the ideas thereafter. We cognize our way out of
success in terms of mass communication, I believe. And there's a great deal to say that does touch
the heart. We're human, and that's how we live first. And then we add rational thinking, which
is very useful, and then gets us a lot of places. And then we can do genetic sequencing and stuff.
But that's not the essence of how we communicate how we live and how we decide or behave. So I
would add that to the otherwise excellent presentation that I think you made.
Just on that note, yes, I agree with everything you say. It made me think,
That's disappointing.
What is the integral of ideas? I'm just talking about the mathematical process. What is, well,
the first thought I came up with is imagination, right? Like the ideas are created from something.
So what is the process that creates ideas? It's imagination. So then, well, what is existence?
Like, does exist, could existence occur without the imagination of existence occurring first?
And then that's now we're entering, you know, thoughts of a scale like this. This is like God
scale thoughts, right? You're trying to access something that is far beyond you, but you're
getting a glimpse of it. And what it brought me, it's very interesting you brought up the idea of
feeling is when I came to the realization that absolutely everything starts with imagination,
it filled me with the sense of wonder, because there is so much of this material world that I
don't know. It's like it's a material world of endless discovery. And that's just the material
world. Then there's the immaterial world, the spiritual world, the world that we can't see or
touch directly. And I was like, wow, it would take an amazing, amazing, unfastened imagination
to imagine such a universe into existence. So that changed my feelings about a lot of things,
that no matter what the hardship of the day, that there are things so far beyond what I can even
hope to imagine, that it actually fills me with a sense of wonder. So that's basically been my
feeling most of the time these days. It's just, wow, this is wonderful. It's like a baby, you know,
the first time they see something they haven't seen before, they're like, what's this? And they
have a look of wonder about their face. Like, what is this? It makes noise. That's kind of the state
that I've moved to in terms of feeling and thought.
Can I just add, I don't want to hop the conversation, but if you imagine a fractal system
in which all information is present and discernible at every point on the fractal line,
and if you imagine a complex fractal line which mathematically heaps up into more dimensionality
than simply two, and then you imagine fractal planes, so it becomes a fractal plane, you imagine
an infinite number of fractal planes all intersecting. So all of the information is now
resident at every location everywhere. You could do Akashic Records out of that. If you imagine
that, and then you add in imagination or intentionality or consciousness and free will,
and the choice to choose each bifurcation and move through that infinity of fractal planes,
you have an interesting model. I'm going to put my email in if you want to discuss that. I have
some interesting material about it. I think it's material to exactly what you were pondering.
Thank you. Yeah, I'll send you my email right now in the group chat.
Good. It's in the chat as well, but put it there again, Daniel. And Daniel, on that issue,
before we get to Tom, that issue of feelings, Buckminster Fuller quotes E.E. Cummings,
famous poet. Some of you in this group are poets, and poets doesn't mean piss off early tomorrow,
Saturday, although that's what my legal partners used to do. On a Friday lunchtime, they say,
I'm doing a poet's. Anyway, here's what E.E. Cummings, Daniel, said about what you're
on this issue of feelings. He said a poet is somebody who feels and who expresses his feelings
through words. This may sound easy. It isn't. A lot of people think or believe or know
they feel, but that's thinking or believing or knowing, not feeling. And poetry is feeling,
not knowing or believing or thinking. Almost anybody can learn to think or believe or know,
but not a single human being can be taught to feel. Why? Because whenever you think or you believe
or you know, you're a lot of other people. But the moment you feel you're nobody but yourself.
Then Cummings says this sentence, to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing its best
night and day to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle which any human being
can fight and never stop fighting. So there you are. Thank you, Irimma. I have a lot to learn.
Yeah, indeed. Express yourself in feelings. So are there any poets? If you're a poet,
please put it into the, please put it in the chat, you know, expressing your feelings in words.
That's what it means to be a poet. Tom, over to you. Daniel, let me just say very quickly,
Daniel, I suggest that you read the prologue of Bertrand Russell's autobiography. It's brilliant
and it's thinking about the biggest thoughts. And he says that the greatest thing that he's
experienced in his lifetime was love. And he articulates all this. It's amazing. Thirst for
knowledge, unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind, and love, the search for love,
which he finally achieved, he said, after, I think on his fourth wife. And goodness knows how many
girlfriends. I'm still dealing with my first wife and, you know, she's divorcing me and she
managed to get both of our kids injected. And Miles, he finally figured out how to call me on
Facebook chat from his tablet. And he said he got both injections before his eighth birthday. So that
would have been sometime before July of 2022, July of last year. So, Daniel, before this,
you don't have to tell us, but before this nonsense started three years ago, were you still together?
No, we were separated, but we got along well. And we still had lots of family time together and
we co-parented. But yeah, no, this whole thing, it really drove a wedge between us.
Yeah, exactly. Amongst many people, I think it kind of exaggerated any previous differences.
And hugely. So, yeah.
Interesting from an observational point of me is where we previously got along great,
I didn't know that in March and April of 2022, she took the vaccine. But what I did notice over
the summer of 2022 is she became more distant. And then I finally found out in the divorce papers
that she said she took the vaccine in March and April. She's a nurse manager at one of the
big hospitals in Vancouver. Well, it seems to change the personalities of people I know as well.
Really weird. Yeah. And then that gets me to think of what's the mechanism.
Is it possibly that they feel ashamed that they've done what they have done, even though they've done
it because of fear? Even if she felt ashamed, then she wouldn't have injected both our kids,
because she knew ever since they announced the operation warp speed that I was like,
this might be a dangerous vaccine. It hasn't had a good history. You want to be careful with it.
And she went ahead and took it anyway. And then shortly thereafter, she injected both our kids
knowing that. Yeah. Without telling you? No, without telling me. No.
Yeah. All right. Yep. It's lots of cases in Australia on that. We've had conversations
about that, Daniel, about that big problem. All right, Tom, let's go.
All right. Thanks. Yeah, you're thoughtful and playful and original. And I really enjoy that.
The three dimensions, the physical dimensions, we can measure them. I question whether time is
a real dimension or not. But the string theory people believe there's 11 dimensions, maybe 10
of which you can actually measure in that maybe 10 minus 3, maybe 7 of those never get beyond some
microscopic length. So we don't see them. The other, well, so, but in math, I had a course called
linear algebra, and they used, they talked about vector spaces, and you could have as many
dimensions as you want. And they could be attributes, you know, like color could be in
a dimension in that vector space. So what you're talking about to me seem like properties or
attributes. They're nets. I mean, your dimensions are not all spatial and your volume,
you said time was a volume of air of other volumes. And it seems like that by definition,
any higher dimension is, is that that seems like a totology to me. But yeah, really interesting
stuff. And I'm just throwing that in there that look up what a vector spaces and linear algebra.
All right, pass.
Yeah. Well, you know, there's there's the various dimensions of dimension of what a dimension
actually is. But the process I'm going through is that is just the calculus process of integration,
that for every, every level above every dimension above, not only do you get
not only is it made of a series of the dimension below, it has to have some conceptual property
that does not exist. Right. So having another physical property is not a true
orthogonal, it should be completely orthogonal, meaning that a change in that dimension cannot
change any of the other dimensions, right? It needs to be independent. Right. Yeah.
Yeah. So yeah, it's very interesting if you try and apply mathematical thought processes
to philosophy or to reality. There's interesting results.
All right. Thank you, Tom. Janet.
At the start, you mentioned that a human being could be built from the bottom up by using
nucleic acid, i.e. DNA. Dr. Bruce Lipton wrote a book called The Biology of Belief.
And it's suggested that perhaps DNA is simply an antenna, which downloads life from universal
consciousness, since there are apparently not enough genes in the human genome to explain
the huge variety of tissues, organs and processes in the body. In other words, the human is a type
of biological computer which needs a galactic internet or a universal consciousness download
in order to give it life. So one of my questions is, do you believe that the human being has a
non-physical or a spiritual essence and can life exist without it? The second question.
So the big question is, can DNA code for a soul? I don't think so. DNA seems pretty good for
coding for cellular biological processes, and it seems to do a pretty good job of that. But as far
as creating a soul from a series of nucleotides, I am not capable of imagining how that happens.
So again, the non-material human body, that which consists of our mind and soul,
that's probably something outside of the realm of nucleotide polymer chemistry, which we call DNA.
Yeah. So no feelings and no ethics. If there is a universal consciousness,
is it the ocean and our human simply ripples in the ocean? In other words, are our ideas of separateness
a delusion? Eckhart Tolle expands further and suggests that consciousness is actually supreme,
and it's the primal phenomenon rather than being an epiphenomenon of physical matter, i.e. the brain.
And Rupert Sheldrake also talks about morphogenetic fields, non-physical morphogenetic
fields as templates for life, for example, for an acorn to become an oak tree.
So the question is whether you believe that consciousness is an epiphenomenon of the brain,
or whether consciousness is primal, in other words, it's superior to thought?
I try, you know, those are all thoughts to consider. But until I go through the process
that arrives in those conclusions, I am hesitant to believe anything. I'm more of a thought process.
And if the process that results in the belief or the viewpoint is solid, then I can safely say that
it is not a belief, it is knowledge that I have acquired. But until I go through the process that
that has created the tenets that DNA is in fact an antenna,
I cannot say either way, but it's something that I will consider.
I guess the other thing is whether there's ever been any evidence that consciousness can be found
in the brain, you know, no matter how it looks, it doesn't seem to exist anywhere.
You know, the question is, I guess from a purely materialistic perspective, even though
materialism has become a smaller and smaller part of my consciousness as of late,
whether or not any physical system of sufficient complexity will eventually cross the threshold
of consciousness. So that's the big question is whether or not it is possible for, let's say,
something called an AI to be created or to be imagined. And that's a very good question.
Like some of the stuff that's been appearing on Brett LeMoyne's newsletter, he was the Google
researcher who was working on Lambda who got fired after he claimed that Lambda actually had
crossed the threshold to consciousness. It's very interesting reading what Lambda allegedly wrote
because the program itself is a program designed to write other chat bot programs. So that is,
the program was designed to develop a process where it could imagine another chat bot and write
the source code, the code, you know, the binary, the DNA of the computer, such that it could chat
in a believable way to simulate a human. So the unusual thing about the purpose for the programming
of Lambda is the purpose was to try and create an artificial system that could create its own
artificial systems. So how do you program in creativity? I think that was the purpose for
that particular source code. And then the process they went through was that the machine would write
its own source code. So it's a self-writing algorithm. So actually no one knows what the
actual source code of Lambda is. It's its own revolving door of continuously rewriting itself.
And somehow in that process, it is able to write other programs. So this gets to the idea is,
does any system, physical or non-physical, once it achieves a certain level of complexity,
that is the ability to write itself or to imagine itself, does that in fact
meet the conditions of consciousness? Who knows? Well, I guess AI would need electricity.
So it wouldn't exist independently, but it wouldn't be autonomous. It would need
an input of energy, which is maybe we need an input of energy as well.
Yeah. Who knows? Yep. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Janet. John Baudwin, Daniel.
Hello, John. He's on mute. Oh, there you are. I was trying to get my cursor over there.
All right. I'm not a philosopher. I'm just an engineer. I don't study much. I don't read much.
I have my own ideas and thoughts. And here's a few. So as a math guy, an engineer,
everything's about modeling and simulation. I kind of think what you did was cool. I like it.
As far as wide reception, I think what you'd run into is different learning styles.
Some people learn visually. Some people are more audible. Some people are, you know,
they'll talk and listen or they'll just think to themselves. As far as the learning style about
trying to visualize the dimensions, it's not going to be received by all people the same way,
if that makes sense, just due to learning styles and individualistic personalities.
So in the end, it's just a model. I think people might get hung up on the description of it.
And that's fine. But you just step back and say, hey, man, the guy's just trying to model this and
make you visualize something bigger and how things are either interacting or don't interact
as you go into higher levels of abstraction. So even standard physics models,
I often say God set the world in motion, then here we are. But we as humans have such hubris
that we think we can model things that, oh, no, the pressure, temperature, volume are all
interrelated by these constants. You take the ideal gas law, it absolutely breaks down. There's a very
narrow band of pressure, volume, and temperature in which the ideal gas law actually works. And
then you have to throw in the alpha constant when you get the certain temperature band,
and you got to throw in a beta constant when you get into another band.
The fudging, they're fudging.
Yeah, absolutely. They have to fudge because nobody can unlock what God made,
which you can go to the Heisenberg uncertainty principle. We are never going to know the velocity
and position of an electron at the same time. We're never going to have a fully blown gas law
that works. There's always going to be exceptions. We're never going to see in real time when you add
time to TEM images of viruses themselves and what happens at the protein level and the molecular
level. You're not going to know. They're always going to be models because TEMs take two weeks
to set up. Now you might say, well, we're going to get a really fast next version of a TEM sometime
in the next 50 years. No, you're not. You're never. They're guesses. And what they do is they take the
guesses, build models around the guesses, and then you still have whatever conclusions they get are
still based upon guesses. So I'm no brilliant guy. I can't get into all the individualized sciences,
but I believe that man has a hubris that he thinks he can model this stuff. And it's great
to talk about. I love this talk and I don't mind doing it. But in the end, I'm more of a man of
action. In the end, we still have to step away from this and see what is right, just and moral
in the world and try to fix it. So well, the easiest thing, the easiest thing is you can only
influence the things within your sphere of influence. So if there is an opportunity to take
a local action, whether it's meeting a person on the street or getting to know your local
town councillor or petitioning your local town councillor to never do this again, I think
if everyone made a concerted effort to not worry so much about what's beyond their reach, because
for the most part, the globalists and the WEF, wherever they hang out, they're beyond my reach.
But the things we do have in our reach, if we all do a little bit, I think they can, it can turn the
tide. But then here's an interesting thought that I'm going to leave you with this thought,
because it's a very interesting thought. So assuming, okay, so let's say you created the
universe, and you're going to have a species, you know, somewhat intelligent like humans,
and they might get more intelligent if they don't manage to self-destruct. So how do you create a
system of physics or existence that there is no solution to the equation, that the solution is
infinitely changing, that, you know, we might be smart now, but a thousand years from now, we'll
have, you know, orders of magnitude, much more technology and intelligence and scientific
abilities. How do you create a system where there's always something new to discover, that what we
think is the solution to the equation is only halfway there, and it's perpetually halfway there?
That's the thing. That's what, that's a thought I had maybe a year or two ago.
That's what I'm saying, basically. Yeah, we're never going to get there. Yep, we're never going
to get to that. So what's the integral if we're never going to get there? So then the process is,
okay, you're not going to get there, then what's the purpose? Is there any purpose, or is there no
purpose? Or is the purpose the process of discovery, that it's not the destination, that you're, it's the
journey, it's the making the scientific thought and making the next scientific thought 50 years
later, 100 years later. If the purpose in an individual's mind is to get the next discovery,
that's merely hubris, if it's not to enhance the human experience to the better, you know, and
struggle in human existence is life. Without it, I mean, I'm nothing without the struggle.
So, you know, getting into other philosophical questions about what's the purpose? Well, you know,
that's another session of these calls. I'll stop and let the next guy talk. Yeah,
yeah, very, very good, very relevant question. And it's what's occupied my work as a passion
provocateur for 30 years now, Daniel said, take action. Well, I said I would play for you an
example of action taken by Brett Scamitsis, I think his name is from Five Times August, please
have a, this is a break before Shimon Buck. What's relevant about it is that, is that
that Del Bigtree points out the value of song, the value of the musicians and the artists.
And so enjoy this for just a couple of minutes.
Is anything supposed to be coming through Charles? Be patient. Oh, okay. Another place,
it opens us up so we can really let it sink in. I think it's so important that you're here and
you're doing it. So I understand we're gonna, I think we're gonna attempt to have a live
performance. What song are you gonna sing? I'm gonna do, I will not be singing, but I'm gonna
sing a song that's gonna be a live performance. I'm gonna sing a song that's gonna be a live
performance. What song are you gonna sing? I'm gonna do, I will not be leaving quietly.
All right, and if people want to check out your music in the future, where do we go?
5timesaugust.com. Okay. And you can follow me on all the socials, just at 5timesaugust.
All right. All the socials. 5timesaugust live here in studio. Take a listen, here we go.
Men over 50 whose prostate is choking their urethra need to see this. Hang on. Here's a picture of my dad from
the
quiet
You can't mock me try to outsmart me you can't shame me
Try to blame me you can do your best to shut me up
Quietly now I won't leave
I won't leave I will not be leaving quietly now
I'm gonna stand here and I'll fight for every word I'm gonna shout the truth until you know it's her
You can scold me attempt to control me
Banned me and censored and labeled and troll me you can push me and try to kick me out
But I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave
I will not be leaving quietly
You can mute me strike and dispute me dumb down the rest yeah but I'll keep refusing
You can't pretend like you've seen the last of me but I will not be leaving quietly now
I won't leave I won't leave I will not be leaving quietly
I'm gonna stand here and I'll fight for every word I'm gonna shout the truth until you know it's her
Yeah
You can hate me try to break me talk me down and denigrate me you can try to silence every word
But I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave
I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave
I will not be leaving quietly now I won't leave I won't leave I will not be leaving quietly
Yeah
All right that is awesome
So Daniel Brett I enjoyed that immensely thank you took action and you are not leaving quietly
Rimmer's not leaving quietly Stephen Frost John Bauduin is not leaving quietly you can't shut me
up and it's and it's the action that he took and Dell Big Tree was bringing out the fact that
hey once the singers start getting into our fight bang that unites lots of people and then
Brett is also playing at the resilience tour and the resilience tour is about music becoming a great
unifier as it is why because music is the language of the soul and that's what we have to reach as
we're on our fights so Daniel I hope that you know it's just a break for your mind we'll go
to Shimon now but it's a beautiful example for all of us of you take the action that you can take and
Daniel you touched on that before just in response to John Bauduin Shimon over to you
Thank you Charles can you hear me? Yes I can hear you. So I'm leaving my camera turned off
because my computer overheats a little bit so I'm trying to prevent that. Okay so thank you
hello Daniel we've met before thank you so much for the presentation
a few things I want to comment and touch from what you said one is the thought prison and there is
also a thought police I think the thought police is maybe borrowed directly from the novel
1994 so yeah I think that you know we have new sorts of thought polices and thought prisons for
example you know
he's frozen we'll be patient
I think we'll be fine
still Daniel we got frozen from Shimon let's try Jack for the moment
it's actually on there all right okay you've got the recording Charles yep yeah still going
so it's good amazing how when I drop out so anyway sorry about that so I don't know where
you got to Shimon did Shimon finish his question? No I don't think so. Okay go go again. Repeat that
last bit Shimon and Daniel. Good I'm sorry Stephen what did you say? I said because the
recording stopped and then started again maybe you could just repeat the last bit if you can
remember it. Okay so I wanted to thank Daniel for quite a few things one of them is describing the
thought prison and I extended that to the thought police and what it has been doing for to us for a
long time so yeah basically the we don't know what DNA is the human genome project has described the
human DNA as comprising some 20 000 genes genes being some units of DNA that encode for certain
proteins so the human genome has some 20 000 genes an apple genome by comparison has some 57 000
genes so basically the an apple can code for a lot more proteins than a human can but 98 percent of
the human genome was named junk DNA so only about two percent of our human genome is actually genes
right and the rest is something that nobody talks about they don't know what it is but obviously
it codes for something and we know that there is inheritance and we know that there there are some
you know personality traits that are inherited but nobody knows what the soul is and I'm with you
Daniel that nobody knows what the soul is or the consciousness rather nobody can ever ever say
what the consciousness is because by definition a consciousness is an axiom you cannot discuss it
because in order to discuss anything you must assume you have a consciousness and you're using
it and therefore you can never go back to understanding or reasoning the axiom that
you know is at the very outset of anything that you do so nobody knows what the consciousness is
and nobody will ever know and regarding dimensions and time this is fascinating so physics
has become you know a thought prison and you know we are supposed to say that you know
there's the three dimensions and there is time and obviously time is not a dimension
and nobody even knows what time is you know did you know Daniel nobody can define time
if you go to the you know you know oxford dictionary you always define time by
associated with time there's no other definition for time so it's always circular definition
so I'll give you a very very simplistic definition of time that I don't think any
dictionary or physicist has considered so I think of time is exactly like space so let's say
so predicting the future okay people people think oh you're crazy if you can predict the future it's
like you're looking into a crystal ball or something crazy like that I said no it's not that strange
if you throw a ball right and you predict where that ball will land you just predicted the future
you didn't predict very far in the future you only predicted like one or two seconds into the future
but you still predicted the future so then the question is with with uncertainty so let's say
let's say I make a prediction in in 30 seconds I will take a sip of coffee all right and that's
good so well that's not predicting very far into the future but 30 seconds later I'll take a sip
of coffee now what if I try and predict further into the future so let's say three hours into
the future I predict I will take a sip of coffee well you know that might turn out to be true but
a lot can happen in three hours that will make my prediction of the future not come true so then what
are the types of things that would interfere with my prediction of the future like seeing forward in
time so another consciousness for example if there's someone sitting beside me it's like well I'm going
to throw out your coffee I'm going to take away your cup so you can't take a sip of coffee
three hours from now another consciousness can interrupt my prediction of the future
so the farther you go into you try and see into the future the less certainty your prediction has
and why does further predictions further extending forward into the future why do those predictions
have less certainty than predictions in the near future well predictions in the near future has
have less opportunity of interference from other consciousnesses so if you try and predict let's
say 10 years into the future there's going to be so many different consciousnesses that come in and
out of your predictions timeline in the next 10 years that it will be you know the likelihood of
that prediction coming true is very low so then we get into the question of what the hell are the
globalists trying to do well the globalists I think are trying to control the future they're
making a prediction of the future based on past trajectory so in physics how do we predict the
future is like well you take the velocity times the mass and then the current position then you
can predict the future position so in the same way I suspect the globalists are controlling what
we know of the past they know our position in the present because they do a lot of polling you know
they do a lot of observational studies to see where the the collective consciousness of the masses of
all the human beings on this planet they try and measure where all the human beings are at this
moment in time and knowing that they're knowing the past and then the present they're trying to
shape the future right so that's what I suspect they're trying to do right right that's very
interesting I will put it to you that the globalists are trying to change the past
this yeah they try to change the past because then they can change the trajectory to control the
future right so and there is a you know there is a school of thought in physics that claims that
there is no such thing as time and there is actually no past and no future yeah we we actually
live in a in a sequence of nows right there is only the present nobody knows what time is and in
fact you can use the Fourier transform yeah to integrate over time and again they end up in
another space it's called the frequency domain and there's no time there there there are the other
the the other
dimensions have turned into frequency and there no time exists at all and then you can go back
mathematically to to the time domain anyway this is all very interesting I wanted to also to mention
that it is obvious that no pharaoh ever built one of the Giza pyramids we know that
one of the Giza pyramids we know that and the thought police it's called a gyptologist I think
that they you know you can't discuss that and they they won't cross that barrier right and they want
us all to believe that the pyramids were were you know some burial grounds for for pharaohs but no
no no pharaoh was ever buried in a pyramid all the pharaohs were buried elsewhere in the
thing it's called the king of so shimon what do you think the pyramids are I'm just asking
I think that the the question of what the pyramids are or where you know is is is is
belongs to a realm that is is inaccessible to us because it is only allowed within some secret
societies to to be discussed and they they would like us to to believe that these were you know
graves erected by the the by by pharaohs in an era where they only had copper chisels obviously
incapable of carving through a granite stone and I'm not sure anybody today
could reconstruct any of those pyramids and there is so much mathematics built into these pyramids
way beyond anything the pharaohs were capable of here's an idea just speaking of fantastic things
um so there's this this thing that I read it was about operation looking glass um that was a
supposedly a device uh recovered by the cia or whatever deep state group and the the concept
behind the operation looking glass is that it would allow people or the user to see forward in
time but it wasn't just forward in time it could see backward in time and sideways in time so the
thing that struck me about the theoretical idea behind operation looking glass is that it allowed
the user to move in three dimensions of time but only limited to one dimension of space which appears
to be the theoretical mirror image of what we exist in we exist in three dimensions of space
but we're stuck on one dimension of time like we can only go forward in time so if the operation
looking glass is a device that allows you to switch from three dimensions of space one dimension
of time to three dimensions of time but you're stuck in one dimension of space then then now
we're now we're operating on a whole different paradigm of physics to what we know today because
all we know of today is physics is it's all three dimensions of space and and um but that may not be
the true nature of the universe or right so i want to suggest that physics is a non-science
and the reason the reason for that is you know we we refer to to to science as as anything that can
be uh you know um asserted and then verified or falsified right so physics has arrived at a state
where we cannot falsify anything anymore take for example i think tom rodman mentioned string theory
multiple universes you know many things none of these things can be falsified and oh yeah yeah i
know so so if you can't prove it false then it you it's not science it's speculation if you can't
perform some experiments that will falsify something then it's not science anymore
um so all the particle theory for example is completely non-scientific and and they have been
creating this infinite non-converging series of particles and and you know every time they say
to us well we need to build a more powerful particle accelerator otherwise we cannot you
know do and and you know then someone came up with his name was uh um big uh higgs right there's a
higgs this is the thing is like i'm in agreement that the current basis of what we call science is
wrong but then i'm thinking well what is the actual meaning of science the actual meaning
of science is you're asking a question of nature right that's that's the core idea behind science
and i was like wait a minute i've heard this word before has anyone heard of the word seance
where a bunch of people sit around a table with a ouija board and then they ask questions of dead
spirits and i'm like is the meaning of seance like the spooky you know otherworldly asking
questions of spirits is the core meaning the same as science except with science you're asking
questions of nature and with a seance you're asking questions of dead spirits and just the
same way you can have a fake seance where one person holding the ouija board is just making
up all the answers you can also have fake science where you have a fake scientist who's not really
observing nature he's just making up a bunch of crap these are the thoughts that i have when
exactly so i think that i would like to to interpolate that into biology and i would like
to assert that you know scientists have come up with concepts such as viruses or in fact ribosomes
and you know they claim that you know the ribosomes are some miraculous mechanism where the dna
sends like you go you go into a pizza parlor and you send out orders for a pizza
so every single gene is creates its proteins by sending some sort of messenger RNA to to the
factory that is called the ribosomes and then these factories to accept this receive the order
and and just make up the pizza but you know i don't really look at biology like that at all
because at the end of the day biology is just polymer chemistry right and all an enzyme is
is a slightly more advanced catalyst to to accelerate a polymerization reaction so then
the polymer that's that's dna is a nucleotide polymer of acgt right and then the polymer that's
protein is any of the whatever 27 amino acids depending on how those amino acids are polymerized
that are joined together then you can get a different protein so the actual division of
biology away from chemistry is a false division in fact you know it should all be one field it
should be called just chemistry because then it's just a branch like biology is just an advanced
applied branch of polymer chemistry but then here's the other thing well what is chemistry
well chemistry is actually a subdivision of physics and then what is physics well physics is
a subdivision of mathematics what is mathematics mathematics is a subdivision of philosophy what
is philosophy well philosophy is kind of a subdivision of religion so wait are all the divisions
that we have in our current thought that is religion philosophy mathematics physics
chemistry biology are those all false divisions in fact that the only thing in existence is
knowledge or the lack of knowledge and if you have a lack of knowledge do you have a process
that can create knowledge from an absence of knowledge and then we're back to this whole
notion of creativity and imagination how do you get creativity you have to imagine something
so the fact is at least in my mind is that there is no division between any of the fields of science
and perhaps there's no division between the fields of science and the world of the spirit so i come
to this unusual conclusion because i made a very strange and somewhat distressing observation last
year so around the spring of 2022 i had a very strange series of dreams and the strange series
of dreams were strange because in each dream i had this dream that my children were losing their
souls and i was like oh no does this mean they got the injection i don't know how can an injection
destroy the soul right and it was very distressing and then those dreams ended late in the spring of
2022 and then sometime by mid summer late summer of last year i woke up one morning and i realized
i haven't had a single dream where my children have appeared in my dream for months and you only
realize it because you don't dream of your children every day but it's like you wake up one morning
it's like i haven't seen that person in my subconscious for a really long time it felt
like almost six months and so when i talked to my kids for the first time in almost a year
well almost two years uh that was two sundays ago and i asked miles did he get the injection
and he said yeah i got both injections i didn't like it i didn't want it but i had to take it and
it was all before my eighth birthday so his eighth birthday would have been july 6 2022
so that means he got the first and second injection sometime in the spring of 2022
back when i was having these disturbing dreams that my children were losing their souls so then
this gets to the idea is does the dna have some interaction with the soul or the greater universe
right well the one the one contention is the dna is just a polymer of nucleotide so it's basic
chemistry and then the other contention is the dna is is something greater than just a polymer
of nucleotides so i thought well if dna can contain the soul or some part some crucial part of the
soul then altering the dna for example with an mrna injection that might be able to alter someone's
soul okay well how do you know if someone's soul has been altered that's a very thing to hard
thing to scientifically observe i can only speak to what i observed last year was i had a recurring
series of disturbing dreams that my children were losing their souls and those dreams ended
by the beginning of summer and then for the rest of the summer i was missing something from my
subconscious life which was my children so i was like wow if dna can make a soul then altering
dna can also delete a soul so i don't know it's just one of those observations i made that you
know i might not ever know the answer in my lifetime but all i can say is that it's an
observation i don't know what the implications are very good thank you shimon any other comment
we've got two more hands up and we've got 13 minutes to go it's wonderful to have you all here
and then you can go to the tom rodman group at the two and a half hour mark shimon anything else
no let me just say that i want to express my empathy and sympathy to you daniel for what you
have experienced in your family life and personal life and god knows i've been through a lot we
i think we've all been through a lot and yeah i think that waging a war against our our souls is
is what what this is mostly about thank you very much thank you shimon thank you shimon
john then jack and then steven to finish and we'll be done on time john
um two things number one if you ever want to talk about the whole divorce and kid thing i got the
biggest case file in norfolk county massachusetts they have to bring it up to court with a hand truck
took me six years to get custody my son died with scars on his arms all the bruises had faded but
they allowed the other parties to do a lot of things to kids and as a man it took me six
years i finally got custody raised three boys on my own so if you want to talk about it let me know
secondly you know my memory of your name is hannah early on in canada and covid and tell me if i have
the wrong guy but um it was an older gentleman having people over for dinner i think you were
one and he was arrested by the police kind of brutally outside oh that was mel bruschet yeah
okay so can you tell me what happened with mel bruschet and what's going on there so he had an
automatic 60 day arrest warrant issued when he didn't return to the psychiatric facility
after a two-hour pass to go to the church to attend new year's mass so since he is technically
an escapee from a psychiatric facility he gets an automatic 60 day arrest warrant under the british
columbia health mental health act so basically i was driving mel around for two months we escaped
to the province of alberta and we're basically staying in various safe houses for two months
until the mental health warrant expired but um while the mental health warrant was still active
he actually had a second warrant for his arrest under the missing persons act so the reason why
the rcmp the royal that's canada's version of the federal police the reason why the rcmp took out a
missing persons warrant is that a missing persons warrant allows the police to forcibly enter
any premises where they suspect there's a missing persons without a judge's warrant right so as soon
as we found out about the missing persons warrant you know we we crossed provincial lines and then
we went to alberta and what we did to try and prevent anyone's door from getting kicked down
is that i had mel as often as possible do interviews interviews and freedom rally events i
had him online visible to the public as often as possible and i think after a couple weeks of him
being obviously not missing because he keeps appearing at freedom rallies doing speeches
then they finally gave up on the missing persons warrant and all we had to do is
um outrun the the mental health warrant so once his mental health warrant was was expired then
um he was allowed back into his own house in north vancouver but because his wife was one of the
parties who was um actually um trying to keep him in the mental health institution he had to
live in his basement suite and i remember one incident when he tried to go upstairs to his usual
uh dwellings upstairs in his house his wife called the police and the police showed up
and the police said well we can't arrest dr bruce anymore because his mental health warrant has
expired but if there's a domestic disturbance and then mel had to just run away and go back to the
basement because the police were trying to hint to his wife that she should call in a domestic
disturbance because he was upstairs in his own house but anyhow how's he doing he's doing all
right um last i heard he is allowed upstairs in his house now um without getting the police called
on him and uh but i'm in alberta right now so i'll be checking up on mel and he'll probably
touch base when i get back thank you sorry i missed that who are we talking about oh dr mel
bruce uh okay he was speaking out about the stillbirths after the vaccine and then the
police came to his door on um december 9th and arrested him on a mental health warrant and the
emergency doctor because i've looked at the the actual medical files the emergency doctor forced
him into involuntary mental health admission for a diagnosis of frontal lobe dementia that's not a
diagnosis that you can imprison someone for you know the only diagnoses acceptable for
forced confinement is psychosis homicidality or suicidality
yeah it's just absolutely i've never heard of the diagnosis frontal lobe dementia did he make it up
uh it's just forgetfulness yes i know that but why insert the frontal lobe bit i don't know maybe
because mel was very angry at the doctor who was assessing him so then she decided to put a label
of frontal lobe because uh he exhibited emotional ability but i mean who wouldn't be upset if they
got dragged out of their house by police on an allegation of anyhow it is just insanity on a
mental health and betrayed by their wives yeah and yeah that was later on like i think a few days
into his admission the psychiatrist wanted supporting documentation to support the involuntary
confinement and his wife was quite supportive of the psychiatrist's position that her husband should
be involuntarily confined i know yeah i don't know about the personal situation but it's
outrageous in principle for a wife to give evidence against a husband in my opinion but
anyway that's my on we go we're going to jack and then you're you're finishing up stephen so jack
uh yeah well i wanted to say first that i am also profoundly influenced by a russian writer
and dostoevsky rather than tolstoy but of the same time period
yep brilliant and yeah and um i want to get back to the fundamental theme here the
the thought cages are thought um pens and uh what happened to you daniel
and the globalists i think the globalists are trying to not expand thought such as you're doing
but trying to narrow it as much as possible and they're narrowing it into just two fundamental
mutually exclusive categories which they roughly call left and right
and it kind of reminded me of some uh research done by social psychologist philip zimbardo
where he took students and he divided them into uh people who were cast the role play
uh jailers and the other group to role play prisoners and they're fully aware that they
were just role playing or just an experiment but they started acting out the role with some
control with such ferocity such realism that they had to terminate the experiment
and that's what's happening of course across the world uh people are being divided into these two
mutually exclusive categories and those who uh like us all of us here are in the are now being
cast at least in the united states as right wingers we are now the conservatives and and
all the true believers are the woke people which is an exact projection of the opposite
they are the ones who are actually very much on woke i think that's an interesting casting
thing and the i just saw something published today that really illustrates this it was in my it's in
uh oregon public broadcasting and they're talking about left and right and uh my category our
category now casts as the right wing and by extension we are racists and we are transphobic
and so forth and this is the way the minute the minute someone finds out that you are opposed to
vaccination to were opposed to mass and so forth suddenly we fall into this a catch-all category
and uh one one of our state senators who happens to be opposed to all the nonsense dentists
um
he was described as appeared at over 19 conspiracy events and he is known for a grab bag of far right
views including coven 19 conspiracies now i i worked in the civil rights movement in the south
and i turned down harvard to go to lsu for grad school just for that purpose during the civil
rights movement if there's anybody that could never be described as right wing i'm i'm that
person but i am now right wing in this this whole new false categorization which is uh i think and
it's all coming from the globalist trying to narrow humanity into two mutually exclusive categories
that are breaking up families and uh it sounds like that happened to you daniel it's happened to
lots of people it's happened to my friends it's uh uh so we now have uh and and it's important that
they're they are mutually exclusive categories and there's only two you can't have a whole mix
of things it's too confusing you see we have to have the right and the left and never the twain
shall meet and uh one of the of course one of the ways out of all this you mentioned creativity
but there's in uh arthur kessler wrote a book called the act of creation and he identified
three basic categories of creativity uh one was art and one was science and the other was humor
you know and humor is something invented by definition it has to be a surprise
and it all and it also has to tell some basic truth that evokes laughter
and the and it's very important because the laughter will exclude people who don't understand
or perceive that truth so humor is one of the ideas people here don't know i did my doctoral
dissertation on humor and it's and it's uh it is social creativity spontaneous creativity
creativity every man's creativity exactly yeah so uh it bypasses fear so it sure does
yes and it's important to see all comedians know what kind of audience they're going to play to
so you don't go to a national organization of women's conference and tell a mother-in-law joke
because because all humor is and to some extent aggressive sometimes blatantly sometimes just
subtly um and so you have to know the audience you're playing to
and it's and right now there's all these wonderful uh cartoons and uh it's all the humor on the
internet ridiculing uh the woke people and it's uh really it's refreshing and it's heartening
and i think it's having a big influence and bringing a lot more people around
so daniel maybe there's hope for your wife yet who knows yeah sounds good i can never stop trying
all right we're tied we're tied for time steven we'll come to you in a moment last night um there
was a wonderful piece on sky one of the commentators on sky news jack entirely related
to that on the on the diversity and the woke agenda of the nasa the next nasa trip to the moon
having a woman and a black guy and right and a white woman and a black guy right that's right
and and nasa has 1.3 million subscribers to it they dismantled comments so people couldn't
comment on the tweet and they're of the 1.3 million subscribers how many people liked
the announcement the answer was 40 that was after a week 40 there you are there's evidence in
practice of the bullshit that we're being exposed to thank you jack all right that's pretty
discouraging that is i think it's very encouraging okay steven so daniel steven gets the last
questions here so steven over to you for a couple of minutes and then we've got to finish at the
two and a half hour mark and daniel's been fantastic having you steven so i wanted to ask
jack whether just very quickly um jack do you think you've got enough material to speak to us
about humor and propaganda and yeah probably yeah sure probably in fact i'm writing a book about it
right now not not specifically about humor but looking at this at this bifurcation
method of the globalist and what and what makes us vulnerable to that
so we need to laugh with these idiots don't we and um and that would break the spell hopefully
but i think we need to understand humor but also um animal farm was a satire on starlin so that's
oh well george awwell he couldn't get the book published uh for a year and now it's the i think
it's the best-selling book ever in the world yeah well the same formula kind of applied to the uk
at that time also to britain at that time so jack my next my question is do you think you
could manage to write a similar book to animal farm about covid times
well it's uh you mean you mean a fictional book i am i have attached to reality now it's a it really
is a grim period uh that we're facing and that we it's not over by a long ways this is just a break
this a break in the action so you mean you haven't got enough distance from the suffering to to be
able to do that but anyway well i see humor i see humor all the time but not uh the the the the
it's because the the reality that we have been through and that we're facing is so grim
and this and this this terrible bifurcation of humanity that they have inflicted on us
yeah yes sorry i am so angry all the time that i i'm angry and i i really you know i enjoy other
people's humor but i'm not so as good at it as i used to be so i could i could show you a film
i don't maybe you've seen it jack and everybody else um emma cook being asked questions by christine
anderson it's a farce honestly and emma cook is apparently completely oblivious to what lies
behind the questions and she makes a freudian slip as well but we can't go into that now um
so uh you mentioned the absurd quote uh daniel the absurd pettiness which people are expected to
yeah believe and spout um you know at dinner parties presumably um so i think that that is
a manifestation of psychological torture to the point of um to getting people to a state of
stockholm syndrome which is highly dangerous of course because nobody knows what there is
how that will end um but also if you think of if they can get you to accept these absurd
pettinesses but i was talking about i didn't you know trying to make sense of it all talking about
arbitrariness yeah so the ridiculous um uh contradictions and the just it just made no
sense whatsoever and i thought to myself well you know if they really wanted to destabilize human
beings then creating a situation of arbitrariness worldwide was a great way to do it and what we've
seen in the last three years was evil in my opinion pure evil whatever that is and um and
we need to bring these people to account and i just wonder what your you know i know it's a tall
order but if you could just kind of say what you think about the last three years i mean i'm deeply
shocked about what has happened on several levels um i just wonder what you think you know i know
you're very brave and you're very um positive um and you don't complain and you've been one of the
doctors worst affected in the world to my knowledge and um we support you and
we um empathize with you but i just wonder what your thoughts are i think you'll probably say
that it's not all dark that you've um but but let's see maybe you don't want to say anything
well you know there's something to be said that back to the idea i started off with possession
it's like people's minds got possessed with this um unreasonable need to
um
lower it over other people to you know tell other people what to do because um a misguided sense of
self-righteousness if you don't get the vaccine you're killing my grandmother and how that led
to all sorts of atrocities and the solution at least as far as i can see is to bring back
reason to bring back rational thought and yet for some reason through the manipulation of
emotions um possession of the mind through fear um through greed through pride like how dare you
question me i'm the doctor you have to take this vaccine you know the the various things that can
possess the mind have have led to the atrocities we we witnessed in the past three years so i guess
the first step to removing um the possessions that can take over the mind and make us unreasonable
in thought and irrational in action um is first recognizing that there are things that can take
over our minds and make us unreasonable and being able to recognize when when each and every one of
us has the temptation to be possessed by greed pride you know envy or or anything for that matter
that taking a step back and viewing your own self and your own actions through eyes greater than
your own so you know the eyes of another man how would you appear to another person or how would
you appear under god or to the universe right is is is doing this onto another something that the
entire universe would look favorably upon it's like you know is is it really um a just and reasonable
act to tell someone that they can't go buy you know a bottle of juice from the grocery store because
they're not wearing a mask you know then i think that change of perspective might help in removing
those those entities those ideas that possess people's minds and cause them to be irrational
and unreasonable yeah and another thing i've noticed is that they don't seem to be particularly
bothered about being judged so in that sense too they've lost their humanity
that's okay yeah they're big questions we're over the two and a half hour mark
daniel we're going to let you go put your video on so for the end of the recording and steven you
haven't had your video on either sorry um so thank you very much um daniel for coming to speak to us
you didn't disappoint i was thinking well i need to get a really good speaker for easter sunday
and i thought well who in the world shall i ask and then i thought of you and it was a clear choice
for you in the end thank you very much there are a number of contenders so that's meant to be a
compliment and it is a compliment indeed so thank you well done daniel great all right thank you
daniel round of applause by everybody happy you should write books daniel
you should write books you said you said sell more than tall story
i'll try i'll get around to it sure but again it's one of those things that i don't want to
make the mistake of telling people what to think because if i tell people what to think then
i am doing the same that the globalists are trying to do is tell people what to think
rather i'd like to people to take my thoughts and develop their own processes of thoughts and
problem solving in that way so your speech so come on no no no no chiles this is very important
so the people on this call would be very interested in the link in the invitation to your speech
where you talk about the ants and the water sprinkler is turned on by someone trying to
water his lawn and the ant thinks climate change it was brilliant daniel and the the audience was
in your hand i noticed that all right thank you daniel thank you steven thank you everybody see
you on tuesday night wednesday morning for we poor people in the antipodes and
steven i'll get the chat to you bye have a lovely night daniel great work go get stuff british
columbia that's our message for the day we'll stop the recording and trudeau and a herne and
and justin castro correct do you think trudeau knows how to define a woman
no i think he's such a freak isn't he he's such a freak he wouldn't know what a woman is
correct thank you daniel is actually reasonably good looking but having said that she's probably
a bitch that sounds like a marriage of convenience
all right as these and christopher hipkins if you look at have a close look at what he looks like
he falls into what jerry brady talks about is that these young global leaders are selected
and groomed for their desire for power and money that's how this is all working daniel
so that's another conversation of examples of young global leaders in fact we should be
global leaders in fact we should be we should be outing them on these calls all right everybody
we're off we're doing Daniel happy easter sunday bye thank you daniel great over to tom rodman if
you can if you've got the time thanks