1 0:00:00 --> 0:00:11 This computer. So welcome everybody to medical doctors for 2 0:00:11 --> 0:00:16 COVID ethics, international interesting things happening. 3 0:00:16 --> 0:00:19 I was going to say, I actually think I don't know whether other 4 0:00:19 --> 0:00:24 people agree with me that it's better when you give a an audio 5 0:00:25 --> 0:00:28 description of what we're going to do rather than but it maybe 6 0:00:28 --> 0:00:33 should be shorter than it was, because it was rather long. And 7 0:00:33 --> 0:00:36 that's no criticism of you. There's a lot to say, but that's 8 0:00:36 --> 0:00:39 my personal opinion. I don't know what others would say. But 9 0:00:39 --> 0:00:43 it seems a bit weird, I think, just that video. And I don't 10 0:00:43 --> 0:00:45 know whether people actually read it. 11 0:00:46 --> 0:00:49 Let me let me do it this way. It's it's it's because I 12 0:00:49 --> 0:00:52 observed, Stephen, some people saying I'm sick of listening to 13 0:00:52 --> 0:00:56 it. But there are we have a moving population, Scott, 14 0:00:56 --> 0:00:59 because some people come live, some people don't. I'm in 15 0:00:59 --> 0:01:02 Australia, it's now 5am in the morning. So the poor Australians 16 0:01:02 --> 0:01:05 are all watching by recording, except for me, I am not a 17 0:01:05 --> 0:01:11 recording. So so let me do this introductory statement and 18 0:01:11 --> 0:01:17 welcome in a shortened format to welcome people to the group 19 0:01:17 --> 0:01:22 today. This group was founded in 2021 by Stephen Frost, with a 20 0:01:22 --> 0:01:29 desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. I'm 21 0:01:31 --> 0:01:34 from Australia, I'm Australasias passion provocateur. I've been 22 0:01:34 --> 0:01:38 a lawyer for 20 years, but then for 30 years, an educator and 11 23 0:01:38 --> 0:01:42 years, a legal strategist helping people whose children 24 0:01:42 --> 0:01:48 were damaged by vaccines before the COVID jabs arrived. There 25 0:01:48 --> 0:01:51 are lots of profession, many professions here. And we're from 26 0:01:51 --> 0:01:57 all around the world. And that expands as the viewers who are 27 0:01:57 --> 0:02:01 watching the recording watch. So if this is the first time here, 28 0:02:01 --> 0:02:05 welcome. And we asked that you show your name on the screen so 29 0:02:05 --> 0:02:09 we know who you are. If you publish a newsletter or a 30 0:02:09 --> 0:02:13 podcast, or you have a radio or TV show, or you've written a 31 0:02:13 --> 0:02:17 book, put the links in the chat so we can follow you promote you 32 0:02:17 --> 0:02:23 and find you. We meet twice weekly at least most of us 33 0:02:23 --> 0:02:27 understand we're in the middle of World War Three. Some say 34 0:02:27 --> 0:02:33 we're in a continuation of World War Two. So this meeting runs 35 0:02:33 --> 0:02:36 for two and a half hours after which for those of you with time 36 0:02:36 --> 0:02:41 Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting Tom puts the links into 37 0:02:41 --> 0:02:45 the chat if you're able to join. We will listen to our guest Scott 38 0:02:46 --> 0:02:49 Jensen for as long as he wishes to speak, which he suggests is 39 0:02:49 --> 0:02:52 20 minutes, he can be with us for an hour. So we'll have 40 40 0:02:52 --> 0:02:57 minutes of Q&A. And Stephen Frost asks the first series of 41 0:02:57 --> 0:03:01 questions. There is no censorship. It's a free speech 42 0:03:01 --> 0:03:07 environment. Free speech is crucial. Crucially important in 43 0:03:07 --> 0:03:12 our fight to preserve our human freedoms. So the other issue I 44 0:03:12 --> 0:03:15 wanted to raise with you is if you're offended by anything that 45 0:03:15 --> 0:03:20 our guest says or that any of us say be offended. We're not 46 0:03:20 --> 0:03:23 interested. This is an offense free zone. We will not be 47 0:03:23 --> 0:03:25 limited and talking about offense overnight Barry 48 0:03:25 --> 0:03:29 Humphries died. Well known all around the world Australia's 49 0:03:29 --> 0:03:34 greatest comedian and he was canceled for daring to say that 50 0:03:34 --> 0:03:39 men are men and women are women. So with the world that we live 51 0:03:39 --> 0:03:44 in. Lastly, we come with the attitude and perspective of love 52 0:03:44 --> 0:03:50 not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. So if you have a 53 0:03:50 --> 0:03:53 solution or product that will help people put the details into 54 0:03:53 --> 0:03:57 the chat. If you have links and resources, put them into the 55 0:03:57 --> 0:04:01 chat as well. The meeting is recorded and is put up on the 56 0:04:01 --> 0:04:04 rumble channel and they're welcome to our guests presenters 57 0:04:04 --> 0:04:08 today. Dr. Scott Jensen who I've been a fan of for many years 58 0:04:08 --> 0:04:11 Scott since I think, you know, in the early days, they were 59 0:04:11 --> 0:04:14 attacking you and I thought, go Scotty Jensen. So it's great to 60 0:04:14 --> 0:04:18 have you and thank you again, Stephen Frost for creating this 61 0:04:18 --> 0:04:22 group and for organizing Scott to be with us today. So Scott, 62 0:04:23 --> 0:04:25 welcome and over to you and Stephen, you want to say 63 0:04:25 --> 0:04:27 anything to Scott before we get started? 64 0:04:29 --> 0:04:33 No, only that we're very grateful to you, Scott for coming 65 0:04:33 --> 0:04:37 on. And we're very sorry as well that you've been subject to five 66 0:04:37 --> 0:04:41 investigations. I think it's the latest. That's absolutely 67 0:04:41 --> 0:04:44 dreadful. And if we can support you in any way, please let us 68 0:04:44 --> 0:04:50 know. We know we're in contact with just about everybody all 69 0:04:50 --> 0:04:56 over the world who you know, you know, and we know. So we can put 70 0:04:56 --> 0:04:58 you in touch with people if that would help you as well. 71 0:04:59 --> 0:05:02 Thank you. And thanks so much for having me join your 72 0:05:02 --> 0:05:07 conversation. Obviously, I would like to keep my comments as 73 0:05:07 --> 0:05:11 pertinent as possible because I think we've all been doing our 74 0:05:11 --> 0:05:16 homework. We've been paying attention. And I think we're all 75 0:05:16 --> 0:05:19 asking ourselves those hard, profound questions. How did we 76 0:05:19 --> 0:05:24 get here? I sometimes think of that movie about 2025 years ago, 77 0:05:24 --> 0:05:28 The Truman Show. And I feel like my life has sort of become like 78 0:05:28 --> 0:05:32 The Truman Show. I'm, I'm sort of being studied and evaluated 79 0:05:32 --> 0:05:37 by by everyone. And, and many of the people that are my greatest 80 0:05:37 --> 0:05:41 detractors are people I've never met. I certainly could not have 81 0:05:41 --> 0:05:45 ever thought that my life would go in the path I've gone just to 82 0:05:45 --> 0:05:47 give you a little bit of background on me. I'm a small 83 0:05:47 --> 0:05:52 town kid. I grew up in a little town in southern Minnesota. I 84 0:05:52 --> 0:05:56 was middle child of five. My mom was my best friend. My dad was 85 0:05:56 --> 0:06:01 my hero. My single sister was a very bright lady and she beat me 86 0:06:01 --> 0:06:04 up a fair amount of time. So I understood the pecking order. I 87 0:06:04 --> 0:06:07 had three brothers. I went to a public school. I went to the 88 0:06:07 --> 0:06:11 University of Minnesota. First, I went into dental school and I 89 0:06:11 --> 0:06:14 enjoyed much of that, but I didn't really enjoy the teeth. So 90 0:06:14 --> 0:06:16 I left them went to the seminary and then in the seminary, I made 91 0:06:16 --> 0:06:19 the decision to go into medicine. I also asked my 92 0:06:19 --> 0:06:23 girlfriend if she'd marry me and we've been together 45 years. 93 0:06:23 --> 0:06:28 Mary has been the jewel of my life. She's a veterinarian and 94 0:06:28 --> 0:06:32 just a wonderful partner. We've had three kids. My two daughters 95 0:06:32 --> 0:06:36 are physicians and my son is a lawyer, but we love them just as 96 0:06:36 --> 0:06:42 much as the doctors and that's important. And then I ran for the 97 0:06:42 --> 0:06:47 Senate in 2016 because I was recruited to do so. It wasn't on 98 0:06:47 --> 0:06:50 my bucket list. I'd done school board work in Minnesota for 10 99 0:06:50 --> 0:06:54 years and I thought that I'd made an adequate contribution to 100 0:06:54 --> 0:06:59 the arena and the community of politics. But in 2016, people 101 0:06:59 --> 0:07:02 came knocking at my door. After a couple of months of resisting, 102 0:07:02 --> 0:07:07 I finally said, Yeah, okay, I'll do it. Well, that was incredibly 103 0:07:07 --> 0:07:09 successful. I ended up getting more votes than any other 104 0:07:09 --> 0:07:16 Republican senator in the state and I was elected handily 68% to 105 0:07:16 --> 0:07:20 32%, I guess. And two things happened when I was in the 106 0:07:20 --> 0:07:28 Senate. The first, I would say, I had a chance to appreciate the 107 0:07:28 --> 0:07:31 fact that I'm able to work with people who I disagree with. And 108 0:07:31 --> 0:07:35 that was important. I was able to carve out common ground and 109 0:07:35 --> 0:07:39 work from there. In 2019, I had seven bills that I was the chief 110 0:07:39 --> 0:07:44 author on that I was able to get to the Senate floor. And every 111 0:07:44 --> 0:07:49 one of those seven bills asked unanimously, with all the votes 112 0:07:49 --> 0:07:53 coming from both Republicans and Democrats. And it was because I 113 0:07:53 --> 0:07:56 had gone to both sides of the aisle and I talked to people and 114 0:07:56 --> 0:07:58 I told them what I was trying to accomplish, and why I thought it 115 0:07:58 --> 0:08:03 was reasonable. In 2019, my my wife had some health issues 116 0:08:03 --> 0:08:06 arise. And so we made the decision together that I would 117 0:08:06 --> 0:08:11 not run for reelection in 2020. So my one year, excuse me, my 118 0:08:11 --> 0:08:15 one term, four year stint in the Senate was going to be enough. 119 0:08:16 --> 0:08:22 Then COVID hit, obviously, in March of 2020. I had no idea that 120 0:08:22 --> 0:08:27 I was going to become identified as some major league whistleblower. 121 0:08:28 --> 0:08:32 All I did was read the emails that came from the Department of 122 0:08:32 --> 0:08:37 Health in Minnesota. And I clicked on the link that they 123 0:08:37 --> 0:08:42 provided to go to the CDC's information. And collectively, 124 0:08:42 --> 0:08:45 the Minnesota Department of Health and the Center for Disease 125 0:08:45 --> 0:08:51 Control were telling physicians, we're adjusting the way we're 126 0:08:51 --> 0:08:55 going to do death certificates during COVID. And they went on 127 0:08:55 --> 0:09:02 to talk about two things. One is, if you think it's reasonable, 128 0:09:02 --> 0:09:08 that this death might have come about because of COVID, you can 129 0:09:08 --> 0:09:13 put it down as a cause of death. But more concerning to me was 130 0:09:14 --> 0:09:18 the specific comments that were made in regards to contributing 131 0:09:18 --> 0:09:22 conditions. And basically, the Department of Health advised me 132 0:09:22 --> 0:09:27 and all the physicians that if we felt COVID-19 had been a 133 0:09:27 --> 0:09:32 contributing condition to the death, that we could go ahead and 134 0:09:32 --> 0:09:37 put it down as the cause of death. I protested. I said, no, 135 0:09:38 --> 0:09:40 contributing conditions have their own place on the death 136 0:09:40 --> 0:09:45 certificate where they should be placed. There's a part two that 137 0:09:45 --> 0:09:48 says contributing conditions. And that's where you put 138 0:09:48 --> 0:09:51 contributing conditions. This email from the Department of 139 0:09:51 --> 0:09:55 Health said, if it's emphysema, if it's asthma, go ahead and put 140 0:09:55 --> 0:10:00 it in the contributing conditions section. But if it's 141 0:10:00 --> 0:10:06 COVID, then go ahead and put it in the cause of death line. And 142 0:10:06 --> 0:10:10 this is wrong. Because if you follow the CDC's instructions to 143 0:10:10 --> 0:10:15 physicians for the last two to three decades, our obligation 144 0:10:15 --> 0:10:20 when someone dies is to, the best of our ability, try to 145 0:10:20 --> 0:10:25 identify the initiating factor, the initiating event that led to 146 0:10:25 --> 0:10:29 a person's demise. That initiating event is the 147 0:10:29 --> 0:10:34 underlying cause of death. Let's just take an example. If I have 148 0:10:34 --> 0:10:39 a heart attack tomorrow, and a month from now, we learned that 149 0:10:39 --> 0:10:44 the heart attack was so severe, and so much muscle was taken out 150 0:10:44 --> 0:10:47 of commission, and I developed congestive heart failure. And 151 0:10:47 --> 0:10:51 over the next six months, we find that my situation is 152 0:10:51 --> 0:10:56 refractory to all of our best efforts, and that this is indeed 153 0:10:56 --> 0:11:00 going to be terminal congestive heart failure. And I make the 154 0:11:00 --> 0:11:04 decision to go on hospice and say my goodbyes and recognize 155 0:11:04 --> 0:11:08 that this will be the avenue through which I depart the 156 0:11:08 --> 0:11:14 earth. And then in the last 48 hours of my life, I'm exposed to 157 0:11:14 --> 0:11:18 someone with COVID. And perhaps I have symptoms, perhaps I don't 158 0:11:18 --> 0:11:21 perhaps I have a cough, but with congestive heart failure, I 159 0:11:21 --> 0:11:26 likely would have had a cough anyway. And then I die. The way 160 0:11:26 --> 0:11:30 this death certificate should read is that my underlying 161 0:11:30 --> 0:11:36 cause of death was coronary artery disease, which led to 162 0:11:36 --> 0:11:40 heart attack, which led to congestive heart failure. 163 0:11:41 --> 0:11:44 That's what the underlying cause of death should be. In the 164 0:11:44 --> 0:11:50 contributing conditions box, a physician could put COVID-19 165 0:11:50 --> 0:11:54 possibly or something like that. But the bottom line is the 166 0:11:54 --> 0:11:58 underlying cause of death, that process that brought me to 167 0:11:58 --> 0:12:01 hospice with a ready acknowledgement that I was going 168 0:12:01 --> 0:12:04 to pass was coronary artery disease. And to record it as 169 0:12:04 --> 0:12:09 COVID-19 is going to corrupt the value of the disease registrar 170 0:12:09 --> 0:12:12 that we keep. Virtually every country keeps a disease 171 0:12:12 --> 0:12:16 registrar. I raised my hand I said, Hey, I don't know if you 172 0:12:16 --> 0:12:18 realize what you're doing here, but this is not what we should 173 0:12:18 --> 0:12:22 be doing. I was a sitting senator at the time, I was the 174 0:12:22 --> 0:12:27 vice chair of Health and Human Services. And I got absolutely 175 0:12:27 --> 0:12:31 no response from the Department of Health. I ended up 176 0:12:31 --> 0:12:36 mentioning this email from the Department of Health and these 177 0:12:37 --> 0:12:42 revised instructions on TV during an interview. And that 178 0:12:42 --> 0:12:46 went wild. All of a sudden, I became very familiar with Laura 179 0:12:46 --> 0:12:49 Ingram, and I started to get invited to a lot of different 180 0:12:49 --> 0:12:54 programs. Drew, Dr. Drew, Tony Robbins, ultimately Tucker 181 0:12:54 --> 0:12:58 Carlson, Rush Limbaugh came to my defense. But the bottom line 182 0:12:58 --> 0:13:01 was, from the Department of Health in Minnesota, I got 183 0:13:01 --> 0:13:08 nothing until two months later. I was identified and notified 184 0:13:09 --> 0:13:13 by the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice that my license 185 0:13:13 --> 0:13:16 was under investigation for the first time in my career. I had 186 0:13:16 --> 0:13:20 been the family physician of the year in Minnesota in 2016. I've 187 0:13:20 --> 0:13:24 been the recipient of a Bush Fellowship Award. I was a 188 0:13:24 --> 0:13:26 recipient of a Mead Johnson Award as being an outstanding 189 0:13:26 --> 0:13:29 resident in the United States when I was a resident in family 190 0:13:29 --> 0:13:34 practice in the 1980s. I've had a wonderful career. This shocked 191 0:13:34 --> 0:13:38 me. But what shocked me even more was I did not get to know 192 0:13:38 --> 0:13:42 who my accusers were. They remained anonymous. And I was 193 0:13:42 --> 0:13:47 advised that I had been giving reckless information regarding 194 0:13:47 --> 0:13:53 COVID because I had been willing to compare COVID viral infections 195 0:13:53 --> 0:13:58 to influenza infections. Bottom line is that was the first of 196 0:13:58 --> 0:14:04 ultimately six investigations. The first one I responded to, I 197 0:14:04 --> 0:14:07 decided I should be able to do this without an attorney. So I 198 0:14:07 --> 0:14:14 prepared a 70-page response with articles, amendments and 199 0:14:14 --> 0:14:21 addendums, a six-page personalized response from me as 200 0:14:21 --> 0:14:27 to what I was thinking, when I said what I said. And a month 201 0:14:27 --> 0:14:32 later, the allegations were dismissed. But then a month later, 202 0:14:32 --> 0:14:34 I was advised again by the Minnesota Board of Medical 203 0:14:34 --> 0:14:38 Practice, I'm under investigation again. Same thing happened. I 204 0:14:38 --> 0:14:42 responded, they came back and said the allegations are 205 0:14:42 --> 0:14:47 dismissed. I had about a six-month break and then I got a 206 0:14:47 --> 0:14:50 letter from the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice. And they 207 0:14:50 --> 0:14:55 said in this situation, they said a third investigation has 208 0:14:55 --> 0:14:59 been initiated against your license. But we checked into it 209 0:15:00 --> 0:15:03 and we've dismissed the allegations. So in this third 210 0:15:03 --> 0:15:07 investigation, I was never even aware of the ongoing 211 0:15:07 --> 0:15:10 investigation until after it was over, which I think may be 212 0:15:10 --> 0:15:16 significant in the future for me. Fourth investigation came 213 0:15:16 --> 0:15:20 through and I responded and it was dismissed. And then in 214 0:15:20 --> 0:15:26 November of 2021, the fifth investigation was initiated. 215 0:15:27 --> 0:15:32 This time, I responded and that wasn't good enough. The board 216 0:15:32 --> 0:15:35 asked for more information. The Board of Medical Practice 217 0:15:35 --> 0:15:39 requested copies of medical records. I de-identified those 218 0:15:39 --> 0:15:44 medical records and I sent them in. Several of these records 219 0:15:44 --> 0:15:47 indicated that I had treated a handful of patients with 220 0:15:47 --> 0:15:54 ivermectin during 2021. During 2021, the National Institute of 221 0:15:54 --> 0:15:57 Health on their webpage had changed their position 222 0:15:57 --> 0:16:02 regarding the use of ivermectin. In 2020, they 223 0:16:02 --> 0:16:06 had actively recommended against it. In 2021, they changed 224 0:16:06 --> 0:16:10 the recommendation and said they could not determine whether 225 0:16:10 --> 0:16:13 or not ivermectin had a role. They acknowledged that there 226 0:16:13 --> 0:16:17 was in vitro evidence that it was helpful, potentially 227 0:16:17 --> 0:16:25 against the COVID-19 virus. And the NIH webpage also identified 228 0:16:25 --> 0:16:30 that studies had been released that indicated that ivermectin 229 0:16:30 --> 0:16:36 might reduce mortality and length of hospitalization. In 230 0:16:36 --> 0:16:43 2022, it's noteworthy that the NIH reversed the 2021 position 231 0:16:44 --> 0:16:50 and in 2022, recommended against using. But getting back to the 232 0:16:50 --> 0:16:54 Board of Medical Practice, I submitted my response and my 233 0:16:54 --> 0:16:57 medical records of my patients that were de-identified in 234 0:16:57 --> 0:17:07 December of 2021 and then for the next 13 months, I heard 235 0:17:07 --> 0:17:09 nothing from the Board of Medical Practice. I was running 236 0:17:09 --> 0:17:13 to be the governor of Minnesota, a state of almost six 237 0:17:13 --> 0:17:17 million people. I was running against an incumbent, the 238 0:17:17 --> 0:17:23 Democrat governor. During the course of that campaign, I was 239 0:17:24 --> 0:17:29 painted as an extreme individual who was being investigated 240 0:17:29 --> 0:17:33 repeatedly by the Board of Medical Practice and that claim 241 0:17:33 --> 0:17:37 was used to question the legitimacy of me as a candidate 242 0:17:37 --> 0:17:42 for governor of Minnesota. I lost the election and two months 243 0:17:42 --> 0:17:45 later, the Department of the Minnesota Board of Medical 244 0:17:45 --> 0:17:50 Practice notified me that and this time they notified me 245 0:17:50 --> 0:17:56 through the Attorney General's office that my response did not 246 0:17:56 --> 0:18:00 provide them the necessary information for them to dismiss 247 0:18:00 --> 0:18:06 the allegations. They wanted to have a conference with me so I 248 0:18:06 --> 0:18:12 requested that that conference be public, live streamed on 249 0:18:12 --> 0:18:20 Facebook, in person, and recorded. I was allowed an in-person 250 0:18:20 --> 0:18:27 conference. I was not allowed a copy of the recording they made. 251 0:18:27 --> 0:18:31 I was not allowed to have it public. My wife could not be 252 0:18:31 --> 0:18:37 there and they would not live stream it. We had a 90-minute 253 0:18:37 --> 0:18:43 conversation that was intense and at times, fractious. Then 254 0:18:43 --> 0:18:49 there was a 15 to 20-minute recess and then we went back and 255 0:18:49 --> 0:18:54 reconvened and in a very truncated manner, the chair of 256 0:18:54 --> 0:18:57 the Complaint Committee with the Minnesota Board of Medical 257 0:18:57 --> 0:19:00 Practice advised me that all the allegations were being 258 0:19:00 --> 0:19:04 dismissed outright, the case was closed, and I could leave. 259 0:19:08 --> 0:19:12 You can imagine I felt good about that. My license was, if 260 0:19:12 --> 0:19:16 you will, no longer in question, at least for the time being. 261 0:19:18 --> 0:19:24 But this also was that moment in my life where I realized that 262 0:19:24 --> 0:19:30 I couldn't be done. I could not just breathe a sigh of relief and 263 0:19:30 --> 0:19:35 say, hallelujah, I'm glad that's over. I would be a fool if I 264 0:19:35 --> 0:19:39 thought that there won't be another investigation. What will 265 0:19:39 --> 0:19:43 I say next that someone might not like? If I tell you that a 266 0:19:43 --> 0:19:48 cotton mask has an 18% filtration ratio, so wearing a 267 0:19:48 --> 0:19:51 cotton mask or even wearing three of them will not 268 0:19:51 --> 0:19:56 necessarily prevent you from acquiring COVID-19, if I say that 269 0:19:56 --> 0:19:59 and you don't like it, are you going to be able to initiate 270 0:19:59 --> 0:20:02 another investigation whereby the Minnesota Board of Medical 271 0:20:02 --> 0:20:08 Practice as a regulatory agency for the state of Minnesota, as 272 0:20:08 --> 0:20:12 this agency is weaponized by partisan activists who don't 273 0:20:12 --> 0:20:18 like my politics, who don't like my free speech? So I made the 274 0:20:18 --> 0:20:23 decision that we're going to sue the attorney general in the 275 0:20:23 --> 0:20:25 state of Minnesota as well as the Minnesota Board of Medical 276 0:20:25 --> 0:20:31 Practice. We're going to ask the courts to help identify with 277 0:20:31 --> 0:20:36 precision where does that line exist with protected free 278 0:20:36 --> 0:20:41 speech on one side and professional conduct as it 279 0:20:41 --> 0:20:45 relates to the practice of medicine on the other side? 280 0:20:45 --> 0:20:49 Because clearly the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice has a 281 0:20:49 --> 0:20:54 mission and jurisdiction in regards to professional conduct 282 0:20:54 --> 0:20:58 as it relates to the practice of medicine. But in terms of free 283 0:20:58 --> 0:21:03 speech, particularly as a sitting senator and as a 284 0:21:03 --> 0:21:07 candidate for the highest office in the state of Minnesota, I 285 0:21:07 --> 0:21:13 have to have the ability to share my opinion even if it 286 0:21:13 --> 0:21:19 ultimately proves to not be accurate. So that's sort of where 287 0:21:19 --> 0:21:23 we're sitting right now. Over the last three days, we took the 288 0:21:23 --> 0:21:28 initiative to utilize crowdfunding as a funding 289 0:21:28 --> 0:21:33 mechanism for our lawsuit. Within the next four weeks, we 290 0:21:33 --> 0:21:37 expect to be filing our case in the district court, a federal 291 0:21:37 --> 0:21:46 district court. In the first three days, our give send go.com 292 0:21:46 --> 0:21:53 slash Scott Jensen page, we've received $125,000. I've been 293 0:21:53 --> 0:22:00 incredibly grateful. We've had not a couple of big donors, but 294 0:22:00 --> 0:22:04 thousands of people who said I'm going to give five bucks, I'm 295 0:22:04 --> 0:22:06 going to give 50 bucks, I'm going to give 500 or I'm going 296 0:22:06 --> 0:22:12 to get 5000. But where we're at right now is if I don't do 297 0:22:12 --> 0:22:16 something more than what I've done so far, then I'm really not 298 0:22:16 --> 0:22:23 standing up for the pub owner who has to have a permit from 299 0:22:23 --> 0:22:26 the state agency in order for them to stay open regarding 300 0:22:26 --> 0:22:29 their bathrooms and their kitchen. I wouldn't be standing 301 0:22:29 --> 0:22:34 up for the hair salon stylist who has to have her or his 302 0:22:34 --> 0:22:39 place of business permitted, licensed. I wouldn't be standing 303 0:22:39 --> 0:22:42 up for nurses and physicians and dentists and professionals 304 0:22:42 --> 0:22:49 across the world. Anybody who labors or whose livelihood is 305 0:22:49 --> 0:22:55 governed by a regulatory agency, a licensing authority, a 306 0:22:55 --> 0:23:00 permitting process, any of these folks, if it can happen to me, 307 0:23:00 --> 0:23:04 it could happen to them. And these folks may not have all 308 0:23:04 --> 0:23:10 that I had at their disposal. I mean, I had tools that not 309 0:23:10 --> 0:23:14 everybody has. I'm a physician in good standing. I've had a 310 0:23:14 --> 0:23:19 wonderful career. I was in the Senate. I was a legitimate 311 0:23:19 --> 0:23:22 candidate for governor of Minnesota. I had over a million 312 0:23:22 --> 0:23:25 people vote for me. I raised more money than any Republican 313 0:23:25 --> 0:23:27 gubernatorial candidate had ever raised in the state of 314 0:23:27 --> 0:23:32 Minnesota in the history regarding the governor's race. It 315 0:23:32 --> 0:23:35 seems to me that the words of Esther 4, 14 in the Old 316 0:23:35 --> 0:23:39 Testament speak to my situation. Have you considered 317 0:23:39 --> 0:23:44 you're in the position you're in for such a time as this? At 318 0:23:44 --> 0:23:48 some level, Steven, I have to believe that part of the reason 319 0:23:48 --> 0:23:52 we're having this conversation together on a Sunday is because 320 0:23:52 --> 0:23:58 for so many of us, for such a time as this is exactly why 321 0:23:58 --> 0:24:01 we're together. Four years ago, we never would have thought 322 0:24:01 --> 0:24:08 this could happen. Never. So what's my story? Why am I this 323 0:24:08 --> 0:24:17 notorious rebel, this renegade, this extreme individual? Well, 324 0:24:18 --> 0:24:24 I think it's accurate to say that I've always been a skeptic. 325 0:24:25 --> 0:24:29 I was raised in my household. My dad was a lawyer and a judge. 326 0:24:30 --> 0:24:33 We were raised to be skeptical. In the world of medicine, I 327 0:24:33 --> 0:24:37 learned early on that I need to be skeptical of big pharma. I 328 0:24:37 --> 0:24:40 need to be skeptical of the person who says I have the 329 0:24:40 --> 0:24:44 answers and no one else does. I need to be skeptical of the 330 0:24:44 --> 0:24:48 research articles I read. I don't know if you remember the 331 0:24:48 --> 0:24:52 words of Carl Sagan, the astronomer, physicist and 332 0:24:52 --> 0:24:58 scientist, but he said science requires uncompromising 333 0:24:58 --> 0:25:02 skepticism. To a degree more. You might remember the words of 334 0:25:02 --> 0:25:07 Goethe. None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who 335 0:25:07 --> 0:25:14 falsely believe they are free. These giants are telling us, be 336 0:25:14 --> 0:25:19 skeptical. I was. And for my skeptical narrative that I put 337 0:25:19 --> 0:25:26 out there, I paid a price. I think I've been courageous, but I 338 0:25:26 --> 0:25:29 think sometimes people give me more credit than they should. I 339 0:25:29 --> 0:25:34 think sometimes people believe that courage is operating 340 0:25:34 --> 0:25:39 without fear. I would disagree. I think courage is being brave 341 0:25:39 --> 0:25:44 even when you are afraid. And I have been afraid. I don't want 342 0:25:44 --> 0:25:47 to lose my license. I don't want to put my family through 343 0:25:47 --> 0:25:53 ridicule. But courage was required. I think a part of the 344 0:25:53 --> 0:25:56 reason that I'm here as well is because I had access to 345 0:25:56 --> 0:25:59 information that not everybody had. I know how to read 346 0:25:59 --> 0:26:05 medical journals. I receive 10, 20, 30 journals a month. I was 347 0:26:05 --> 0:26:08 in the Senate and I was vice chair of the Health and Human 348 0:26:08 --> 0:26:11 Services Committee. So I had access to data that was coming 349 0:26:11 --> 0:26:14 across the desk. I had access to the Commissioner of the 350 0:26:14 --> 0:26:18 Department of Health every day when I was there. When you have 351 0:26:18 --> 0:26:22 access to information, I think you have an obligation to put 352 0:26:22 --> 0:26:30 it out there. And I think I recognized the reality of the 353 0:26:30 --> 0:26:34 day because there was this conflict in terms of what we've 354 0:26:34 --> 0:26:37 lived through the last three years. There's this staged 355 0:26:37 --> 0:26:43 reality. It's almost like theater. And then there's the 356 0:26:43 --> 0:26:48 real reality where we think for ourselves. There's a story in 357 0:26:48 --> 0:26:51 there. And actually this is from the United Kingdom. I don't 358 0:26:51 --> 0:26:53 know if you've heard this story, but there's a fellow 359 0:26:53 --> 0:26:58 named David Lodge. He's a playwright, a British playwright. 360 0:26:59 --> 0:27:06 And on Friday, November 22nd, 1963, David Lodge was at a 361 0:27:06 --> 0:27:11 theater watching one of his own plays being performed. In this 362 0:27:11 --> 0:27:16 play, an actor comes out onto the stage with the radio, 363 0:27:17 --> 0:27:22 bebop and some music while he's presenting for a job interview. 364 0:27:23 --> 0:27:27 The audience chuckles. This actor puts his radio on the 365 0:27:27 --> 0:27:33 stand ready for the job interview. Everybody's watching 366 0:27:33 --> 0:27:37 that staged reality, that theatrical reality on stage 367 0:27:38 --> 0:27:44 until all of a sudden that music coming through that radio 368 0:27:44 --> 0:27:47 brought in by that actor was interrupted. And words like, 369 0:27:47 --> 0:27:50 we interrupt this program to report that the president of 370 0:27:50 --> 0:27:53 the United States, John Kennedy has been assassinated. 371 0:27:54 --> 0:28:00 Quickly, that actor shut off the radio. But the world of 372 0:28:00 --> 0:28:05 reality had intruded on that stage reality and they 373 0:28:05 --> 0:28:11 couldn't go back. The audience was aghast and the play actors 374 0:28:11 --> 0:28:15 and actresses could not recapture what they had worked so hard 375 0:28:16 --> 0:28:22 to build. That's what happened in COVID-19. There's a staged 376 0:28:22 --> 0:28:25 reality. There's a narrative we're all supposed to buy into. 377 0:28:26 --> 0:28:31 And we're saying, no, people like you, you're puncturing that 378 0:28:31 --> 0:28:38 balloon of theatrical reality. That's why we're here. At some 379 0:28:38 --> 0:28:43 level, we don't get to ignore that information that we have 380 0:28:43 --> 0:28:49 or have the ability to have. I remember in the fall of 2020, 381 0:28:50 --> 0:28:55 I think it was Martin Kuhldorf and Jay Budachara and I think 382 0:28:56 --> 0:29:00 Dr. Gupta wrote the Great Barrington Declaration. That 383 0:29:00 --> 0:29:05 pierced that false staged reality for so many of us. I 384 0:29:05 --> 0:29:08 think I was the first physician in Minnesota to put my name on 385 0:29:08 --> 0:29:11 the Great Barrington Declaration. But that's one of the things 386 0:29:11 --> 0:29:14 that has to happen and that's why we're here together today. 387 0:29:15 --> 0:29:19 And then I think the other thing that I'm doing is I have 388 0:29:19 --> 0:29:23 recognized, partly because I was in the Senate, partly because 389 0:29:23 --> 0:29:26 I ran for governor, partly because I've been an everyday 390 0:29:26 --> 0:29:30 in the trenches family doctor for 40 years, but I realized the 391 0:29:30 --> 0:29:35 power of engaging across the board. I don't think I met any 392 0:29:35 --> 0:29:40 of you folks face to face in person, but I feel at some level 393 0:29:41 --> 0:29:47 we share a certain bond of brotherhood. And we know that we 394 0:29:47 --> 0:29:51 have to engage across the board. We have to engage not just 395 0:29:51 --> 0:29:54 within the state of Minnesota or within the nation of the United 396 0:29:54 --> 0:29:59 States. We have to engage across the planet. We have seen trucker 397 0:29:59 --> 0:30:04 convoys in Canada galvanize the rest of the world. We've seen 398 0:30:04 --> 0:30:10 demonstrations in London and Paris energize people's spirits. 399 0:30:10 --> 0:30:14 We've seen what happened in Australia and we're horrified to 400 0:30:14 --> 0:30:17 see a lockdown in Australia look more like something you would 401 0:30:17 --> 0:30:23 expect in some hyper structured communist country. This is what 402 0:30:23 --> 0:30:29 we've seen. But we have not stopped engaging. We've engaged 403 0:30:29 --> 0:30:35 with one another. And right now I made that decision. I am going 404 0:30:35 --> 0:30:39 to engage the courts because I don't think I'm going to get 405 0:30:39 --> 0:30:44 justice through conventional media. As far as I'm concerned, 406 0:30:45 --> 0:30:49 80% or more of our major newspapers in the United States 407 0:30:50 --> 0:30:55 lean left. As far as I'm concerned, big tech has worked 408 0:30:55 --> 0:31:02 side by side with government to censor, suppress, and squash too 409 0:31:02 --> 0:31:07 many people. So I'm saying I'm going to the courts and I'm going 410 0:31:07 --> 0:31:13 to ask the courts, please help draw the line. Where do I get 411 0:31:13 --> 0:31:16 protected free speech? And where does the Minnesota Board of 412 0:31:16 --> 0:31:20 Medical Practice really have the jurisdiction? What does that 413 0:31:20 --> 0:31:25 look like in terms of my professional conduct as it relates 414 0:31:25 --> 0:31:29 to the practice of medicine? That's what we're doing. I'm also 415 0:31:29 --> 0:31:33 asking that the Minnesota Board of Medical Practice be advised by 416 0:31:33 --> 0:31:36 the courts that they are reaching beyond their 417 0:31:36 --> 0:31:41 jurisdictional limits. So to me, it's been about being a 418 0:31:41 --> 0:31:43 skeptic. It's been about courage. It's been about access 419 0:31:43 --> 0:31:47 to information. It's been about recognizing the reality in which 420 0:31:47 --> 0:31:50 we live. And it has been about engaging at all levels, 421 0:31:50 --> 0:31:54 legislative levels, the courts with states, nations across the 422 0:31:54 --> 0:32:01 globe. This is what we must do. I don't think that we have to, at 423 0:32:01 --> 0:32:06 every turn, rehash all the things that were done wrong over the 424 0:32:06 --> 0:32:11 last three years. But I know that I'm prepared to do that if 425 0:32:11 --> 0:32:15 called on. I can talk to you about the damage and lack of 426 0:32:16 --> 0:32:20 science that went in to policies that locked down businesses and 427 0:32:20 --> 0:32:23 locked kids out of schools and locked nursing home patients into 428 0:32:23 --> 0:32:26 their facilities, even though that facility had been infested 429 0:32:26 --> 0:32:31 with active COVID-19. I think that the origin of this virus is 430 0:32:31 --> 0:32:35 a legitimate question. And if you ask the question, that does not 431 0:32:35 --> 0:32:39 make you a conspiracy theorist. I think that what we did to our 432 0:32:39 --> 0:32:43 nursing home population, particularly in America, especially 433 0:32:43 --> 0:32:48 in Minnesota, where we had nursing home frail patients die 434 0:32:48 --> 0:32:53 alone without the touch of a loved one. When I think of the 435 0:32:53 --> 0:32:57 goalposts being moved from a two-week lockdown so that we 436 0:32:57 --> 0:33:01 could flatten the curve and not overwhelm health care facilities, 437 0:33:02 --> 0:33:08 I scoff at that advice. I think of the mandates and the masks. I 438 0:33:08 --> 0:33:14 think of the models. I think of so much of this, and it breaks my 439 0:33:14 --> 0:33:17 heart. When I think of the epidemic of fear, when I think of 440 0:33:17 --> 0:33:21 the impact on our educational systems, when I think of the 441 0:33:21 --> 0:33:25 wrongheadedness of what we said about transmission, about 442 0:33:25 --> 0:33:29 tracing, about tracking, about testing. When I think of PCR 443 0:33:29 --> 0:33:33 tests being cycled 45 to 50 times, where Dr. Tony Fauci said, 444 0:33:34 --> 0:33:36 at that point in time, all you're doing is catching dead 445 0:33:36 --> 0:33:40 nucleotides. It grieves me. When I think of our immunization 446 0:33:40 --> 0:33:43 programs where we took away the rights of people to think for 447 0:33:43 --> 0:33:46 themselves, when I think of the way we bash natural immunity, 448 0:33:46 --> 0:33:50 acting as if it was some edgy sort of out there, biologic 449 0:33:50 --> 0:33:55 concept when it's been around for thousands of years. When I 450 0:33:55 --> 0:33:57 think of the gain of function research that clearly was going 451 0:33:57 --> 0:34:00 on, when I think of the sacrifices we asked our soldiers 452 0:34:00 --> 0:34:03 to make, when I think of the way the American public health 453 0:34:03 --> 0:34:06 scene scoffed at European nations in regards to 454 0:34:06 --> 0:34:11 recommendations on social distancing. I certainly do give a 455 0:34:11 --> 0:34:14 debt of gratitude to the United Kingdom for the data that they 456 0:34:14 --> 0:34:18 put forth over the last three years, and Israel and Iceland 457 0:34:18 --> 0:34:23 and thank heavens for Sweden for taking a different route. All 458 0:34:23 --> 0:34:25 of these areas became labs literally that we could learn 459 0:34:25 --> 0:34:30 from. Okay, I found this on the web. But anyway, these are the 460 0:34:30 --> 0:34:35 things that are on my mind. But today, what I'd like to do is 461 0:34:35 --> 0:34:40 you've heard my story. I wrote a book over the last two years. 462 0:34:42 --> 0:34:45 The book is called We've Been Played, Exposing the Triad of 463 0:34:45 --> 0:34:49 Tyranny. I don't think we could have been played without the 464 0:34:49 --> 0:34:56 triad of big tech and big pharma and big government polluting 465 0:34:56 --> 0:35:03 together. I think that government has expanded so rapidly 466 0:35:03 --> 0:35:08 and intruded into our private lives so recklessly that it 467 0:35:08 --> 0:35:15 could only happen with a certain intentional collusion. And I 468 0:35:15 --> 0:35:19 don't think that makes me a conspiracy theorist. My book is 469 0:35:19 --> 0:35:34 available at drscotjensenbook.com. And I think the message is 470 0:35:34 --> 0:35:38 through patient stories, I'm able to explain how it is that 471 0:35:38 --> 0:35:44 we've been played and patients have become pawns. But what I'd 472 0:35:44 --> 0:35:47 like to do now, Stephen, if it's okay with you is I've told you 473 0:35:47 --> 0:35:52 my story. And we've all read the articles and see the tweets and 474 0:35:52 --> 0:35:55 see the Facebook and see the new data, because we have access to 475 0:35:55 --> 0:35:59 information and we're trying to be responsible and put that out 476 0:35:59 --> 0:36:03 there. But I think there's so much value in conversations where 477 0:36:03 --> 0:36:07 people ask questions, because even in asking the questions, we 478 0:36:07 --> 0:36:11 generally learn so much. So those are my comments. I 479 0:36:11 --> 0:36:14 appreciate the opportunity to make them. And I'd be glad to 480 0:36:14 --> 0:36:17 have a conversation and ask any questions I could answer any 481 0:36:17 --> 0:36:17 questions I could. 482 0:36:19 --> 0:36:25 Excellent, Scott. Congratulations on your courageous stand. And 483 0:36:25 --> 0:36:28 we're honored to have you and Stephen. First questions go to 484 0:36:28 --> 0:36:32 Stephen Scott, and then we've got other hands up. So we've got 485 0:36:32 --> 0:36:36 a we've got Scott for about another 25 minutes, it seems to 486 0:36:36 --> 0:36:40 me, Stephen, and everybody. So we'll be tight for questions and 487 0:36:40 --> 0:36:40 go, Stephen. 488 0:36:40 --> 0:36:45 Hmm. Well, I might have difficulty. But anyway, so Scott, 489 0:36:46 --> 0:36:49 thank you very much for that brilliant speech. If that was 490 0:36:49 --> 0:36:57 what it was, it was a speech, I think. And I, there's so I've 491 0:36:57 --> 0:37:01 made so many notes, I can't read them all. And so that's not I 492 0:37:01 --> 0:37:07 may have time later. But I just wanted to ask you. So you said at 493 0:37:07 --> 0:37:09 the end that you think it's deliberate, I absolutely agree, 494 0:37:10 --> 0:37:13 there is no way that what has happened in the last three years 495 0:37:13 --> 0:37:18 was not deliberate. And worse than that, I think that 496 0:37:19 --> 0:37:23 government set about psychologically torturing their 497 0:37:23 --> 0:37:27 own populations around the world into a state of Stockholm 498 0:37:27 --> 0:37:31 syndrome. And that explains what has gone on. That doesn't 499 0:37:31 --> 0:37:35 excuse anybody. It doesn't mean that people are stupid for 500 0:37:36 --> 0:37:40 believing the what was said by the mainstream media, for 501 0:37:40 --> 0:37:44 example, and governments. But they were in the state of 502 0:37:44 --> 0:37:47 Stockholm syndrome, they were they were intentionally got 503 0:37:47 --> 0:37:51 there, I think. So in the United Kingdom, we have the nudge 504 0:37:51 --> 0:37:56 unit, which is very, very important in this whole story. I 505 0:37:56 --> 0:37:59 don't, I'm not aware of other countries which have an 506 0:37:59 --> 0:38:02 equivalent of the nudge unit. But America and other countries 507 0:38:02 --> 0:38:07 may have less visible nudge units, I don't know. But in the 508 0:38:07 --> 0:38:10 United Kingdom, they were freely talking about the nudge 509 0:38:10 --> 0:38:15 unit in the mainstream press. And I was thinking, wow, that is 510 0:38:15 --> 0:38:18 amazing. There were, I cannot remember, I asked people to try 511 0:38:18 --> 0:38:21 and find out because I haven't got time to do everything. But 512 0:38:21 --> 0:38:25 find the names of the people on the nudge unit, so that we can 513 0:38:25 --> 0:38:28 research these people to find any conflicts of interest, for 514 0:38:28 --> 0:38:33 example. But I think the whole thing was a fraud from 515 0:38:33 --> 0:38:36 beginning to end. It's absolutely outrageous what has 516 0:38:36 --> 0:38:39 happened. And actually, what has happened is that they've 517 0:38:39 --> 0:38:45 hijacked the proper practice of medicine. And that should be of 518 0:38:45 --> 0:38:49 interest to every human being on this planet, not least because 519 0:38:49 --> 0:38:54 of the Nuremberg trials, where seven doctors after being tried 520 0:38:54 --> 0:38:59 at Nuremberg were hanged on the 2nd of June 1948, for human 521 0:38:59 --> 0:39:03 medical experimentation. And this was human medical 522 0:39:03 --> 0:39:07 experimentation. And any doctor who does not have a view on 523 0:39:07 --> 0:39:12 human medical experimentation should definitely have a view on 524 0:39:12 --> 0:39:15 just that. That is what was going on. This is a medical 525 0:39:15 --> 0:39:22 political alliance. And we've been here before, there, if you 526 0:39:22 --> 0:39:25 like, before with the medical political alliance, we had the 527 0:39:25 --> 0:39:29 Second World War. And before the Second World War, doctors were 528 0:39:29 --> 0:39:32 engaging in this kind of nonsense. We were taught at 529 0:39:32 --> 0:39:36 medical school, I was taught at medical school. And I know my 530 0:39:36 --> 0:39:41 fellow students, medical students were taught that every 531 0:39:41 --> 0:39:46 doctor has the right to a medical opinion without proving 532 0:39:46 --> 0:39:49 beyond reasonable doubt in a court of law, that what he's 533 0:39:49 --> 0:39:54 saying is correct, and without endless peer review of 534 0:39:54 --> 0:39:58 scientific studies. So the proper practice of medicine, as 535 0:39:58 --> 0:40:01 far as I'm concerned, is all about medical ethics, medical 536 0:40:01 --> 0:40:05 ethics haven't been talked about by the courts, by the media, 537 0:40:05 --> 0:40:08 by doctors. That's the center of this. You cannot practice 538 0:40:08 --> 0:40:13 medicine, in my opinion, without medical ethics. This was well 539 0:40:13 --> 0:40:16 taught to us when I was at medical school. So what has 540 0:40:16 --> 0:40:19 happened to all the other doctors? Because I can't find 541 0:40:19 --> 0:40:25 anybody in North Wales, where I live in the United Kingdom, who 542 0:40:25 --> 0:40:28 remembers about medical ethics. So I was talking about informed 543 0:40:28 --> 0:40:32 consent. And nobody knew what I was talking about, it seemed. 544 0:40:32 --> 0:40:36 And these were doctors. So I just wondered what you think. I'm 545 0:40:36 --> 0:40:43 sorry to be so I'm outraged by what has happened. I've we, you, 546 0:40:43 --> 0:40:45 Scott and I, and everybody on this call has been 547 0:40:45 --> 0:40:49 psychologically tortured by our own governments. And until we 548 0:40:49 --> 0:40:52 understand that, and that we all are in different stages, 549 0:40:52 --> 0:40:55 possibly different stages of Stockholm syndrome, we will 550 0:40:55 --> 0:40:58 never get to the bottom of what has happened to us in the last 551 0:40:58 --> 0:41:01 three years. And why is that important? Because we need to 552 0:41:01 --> 0:41:06 hold these bastards to account, so it never happens again. And I 553 0:41:06 --> 0:41:10 don't want to make your court case more difficult than it is. 554 0:41:10 --> 0:41:14 But I do want to offer you all the experts we have access to, 555 0:41:14 --> 0:41:18 expert witnesses, potential expert witnesses. And if you 556 0:41:18 --> 0:41:20 wanted to do that, if your lawyers wanted to do it, you 557 0:41:20 --> 0:41:23 can flood the courts with evidence on our side. 558 0:41:23 --> 0:41:28 Let me let me jump in there. I'm going to disagree with you 559 0:41:28 --> 0:41:32 right off the bat on the issue of ethics. I think the problem 560 0:41:32 --> 0:41:41 is that we do have ethicists out there. We do have ethics 561 0:41:41 --> 0:41:45 decisions being made, but they're being made by a very 562 0:41:45 --> 0:41:50 small group of elitists. I don't think that a lot of the stuff 563 0:41:50 --> 0:41:55 that came out, particularly from the United States, was from 564 0:41:55 --> 0:41:58 people in the trenches, from doctors in the trenches. You 565 0:41:58 --> 0:42:01 look at people like Deborah Birx, who said, well, you know, 566 0:42:01 --> 0:42:05 you don't die with it, you die of it. We look at Tony Fauci 567 0:42:05 --> 0:42:09 calling people like you and I distractions. I think that we 568 0:42:09 --> 0:42:13 have ethics out there, but it's all wrong, because the ethics 569 0:42:13 --> 0:42:17 are being driven by an elite group of physicians in too many 570 0:42:17 --> 0:42:22 situations, physicians who are served by the status quo. I 571 0:42:22 --> 0:42:26 mean, we have a huge issue in America with the maintenance of 572 0:42:26 --> 0:42:30 certification and board certification, because we've got 573 0:42:30 --> 0:42:36 people who have their little academic administrative fiefdom, 574 0:42:36 --> 0:42:39 where they live off of the fees and the dues coming from all the 575 0:42:39 --> 0:42:46 in the trenches doctors. They do their thousand dollar, what do 576 0:42:46 --> 0:42:51 you call these visits, these trips, and someone else is 577 0:42:51 --> 0:42:53 always paying for these boondoggles. So I think we have 578 0:42:53 --> 0:42:56 ethics out there, but I think we have the wrong people giving us 579 0:42:56 --> 0:43:00 the ethics. We don't have the patient, the patient who wants 580 0:43:00 --> 0:43:03 to have a conversation about hydroxychloroquine or 581 0:43:03 --> 0:43:06 ivermectin, or what about an anti inflammatory? What about 582 0:43:06 --> 0:43:09 monolukes? What about antihistamines? What about 583 0:43:09 --> 0:43:11 steroids? I'm wheezing, I can't breathe. Do I really have to do 584 0:43:11 --> 0:43:14 this binary choice, where I either get better on my own, or 585 0:43:14 --> 0:43:17 I wait till I'm so damn sick that when I go to the hospital, 586 0:43:17 --> 0:43:22 they say, I may well die. We don't have legitimate ethics 587 0:43:22 --> 0:43:26 going on, but we have people out there telling us that they're 588 0:43:26 --> 0:43:35 ethicists. So I think on the question of ethics, I think it's 589 0:43:35 --> 0:43:38 out there, but I don't think it's working, because I don't 590 0:43:38 --> 0:43:41 think it focuses on the patient. In terms of the Stockholm 591 0:43:41 --> 0:43:44 syndrome, I absolutely agree with you. I think we're seeing 592 0:43:44 --> 0:43:49 that over and over again. In terms of how do we go forward, I 593 0:43:49 --> 0:43:52 think we're on the same page. We have to engage at all levels, 594 0:43:52 --> 0:43:55 and that's what we're trying to do. But from my perspective, 595 0:43:56 --> 0:43:59 I think we've got this collusion between government, 596 0:43:59 --> 0:44:02 tech, pharma, and we have an awful lot of academics. The 597 0:44:02 --> 0:44:06 medical profession in the United States will not recover in my 598 0:44:06 --> 0:44:09 lifetime. We have absolutely fractured our relationships with 599 0:44:09 --> 0:44:12 our patients. Our patients feel like they've been abandoned. We 600 0:44:12 --> 0:44:15 have doctors who tell patients, you don't get to have that 601 0:44:15 --> 0:44:17 conversation with me, because I don't want to have that 602 0:44:17 --> 0:44:20 conversation with you. That's what's happening. But we should 603 0:44:20 --> 0:44:24 get on to some other questions too. Sure. I just want to do, so 604 0:44:24 --> 0:44:30 I do think that the name is in the group, ethics, so I do 605 0:44:30 --> 0:44:33 think that that's important. We were taught at medical school 606 0:44:33 --> 0:44:40 that it's up to each individual doctor to know about ethics and 607 0:44:40 --> 0:44:45 to practice them properly. So medical ethics. And no doctor 608 0:44:45 --> 0:44:49 could be, should be allowed to, sorry, should allow himself or 609 0:44:49 --> 0:44:54 herself to be ordered to do something against those ethics. 610 0:44:55 --> 0:44:59 So that's the point. So I think that evidence-based medicine 611 0:44:59 --> 0:45:03 has been used by big pharma and their allies in this nonsense 612 0:45:04 --> 0:45:10 to produce, to tell doctors that you have to do it like this. No, 613 0:45:10 --> 0:45:12 doctors don't do that. We were taught that at medical school. 614 0:45:12 --> 0:45:15 It's very important to have medical doctors thinking 615 0:45:15 --> 0:45:18 independently. The only thing that medical doctors need to 616 0:45:18 --> 0:45:22 think about, we were taught at medical school, was the patient 617 0:45:22 --> 0:45:26 in front of them. Absolutely. I agree with you completely. 618 0:45:26 --> 0:45:29 And I think that the patient needs to tell doctors what to do. 619 0:45:29 --> 0:45:31 Let's move on to some other questions, because there's a lot 620 0:45:31 --> 0:45:34 of hands up. Thank you. Go ahead, someone. Steven, do you want 621 0:45:34 --> 0:45:36 to moderate? Okay, Randy. 622 0:45:36 --> 0:45:39 I know it's good. Charles. Yep. Charles, it's up. 623 0:45:39 --> 0:45:41 Okay, Randy. 624 0:45:41 --> 0:45:45 Thank you, Charles. And thank you, Scott. I guess we call you Scott 625 0:45:45 --> 0:45:50 for coming to talk to us. I've gotten that from, I've watched 626 0:45:50 --> 0:45:55 you several times. I like your extremism, extremism. We need to 627 0:45:55 --> 0:46:00 have more like that in the authorities or those that think 628 0:46:00 --> 0:46:05 there are authorities. I watched your first video about the death 629 0:46:05 --> 0:46:09 certificates in that same week. And I think that's a good 630 0:46:09 --> 0:46:15 thing, in that same week that you had that. And I had the same 631 0:46:15 --> 0:46:19 questions you had, having worked with the 3M medical division on 632 0:46:19 --> 0:46:25 ICD-10 codes, well, nine codes at the time, and incentive 633 0:46:25 --> 0:46:33 payments. It looked suspicious to me. My question is, what did 634 0:46:33 --> 0:46:40 you believe about the medical system before the pandemic that 635 0:46:40 --> 0:46:43 you no longer believe, and maybe pick out one of the ways that 636 0:46:43 --> 0:46:48 we've been played that we can use that may resonate with our 637 0:46:48 --> 0:46:48 friends? 638 0:46:51 --> 0:46:54 That's a wonderful question. Thank you for asking that. About 639 0:46:54 --> 0:46:57 eight years ago, I wrote my first book called Relationship 640 0:46:57 --> 0:47:03 Matters. And what that book was about was individual patient 641 0:47:03 --> 0:47:06 stories that highlighted the fracture that was going on 642 0:47:06 --> 0:47:09 between patients and doctors, and how patients were feeling 643 0:47:09 --> 0:47:15 abused by insurance companies and systems. But to get to your 644 0:47:15 --> 0:47:20 question, what is it that, what jewel, because I love being a 645 0:47:20 --> 0:47:23 doctor. I mean, I was in dental school first time in the 646 0:47:23 --> 0:47:27 seminary. I was one of these doctors who told my kids, go be a 647 0:47:27 --> 0:47:30 doctor. It's the best darn life. I feel like I've had the chance 648 0:47:30 --> 0:47:36 to be sort of a Marcus Welby kind of guy. But so, re-COVID 2019 649 0:47:36 --> 0:47:44 to now, what do I think we lost? I think somehow, that intense 650 0:47:44 --> 0:47:47 experience that I had in medical school in my residency called 651 0:47:47 --> 0:47:51 Grand Rounds, where we would get together as physicians and 652 0:47:51 --> 0:47:56 banter about a patient's presentation, history, physical 653 0:47:56 --> 0:48:00 medications, diagnostic tests, labs, imaging, and we would put 654 0:48:00 --> 0:48:03 that together. And when we work that situation over trying to 655 0:48:03 --> 0:48:06 come up with the correct diagnosis and the best plan for 656 0:48:06 --> 0:48:10 that patient, we were not about holding hands and singing 657 0:48:10 --> 0:48:15 kumbaya. We were relentlessly pushing forward what we thought 658 0:48:15 --> 0:48:19 was best. And we got to. And someone would come up with an 659 0:48:19 --> 0:48:23 idea where all of a sudden, you know, your point is a good one. 660 0:48:23 --> 0:48:28 I didn't realize that. But we had conversations that existed 661 0:48:28 --> 0:48:33 within the boundaries of civility, but didn't have to be 662 0:48:33 --> 0:48:38 pandering. Today, I think we've lost that. Today, I have people 663 0:48:38 --> 0:48:41 coming after me who I've never met, physicians who I know of 664 0:48:41 --> 0:48:45 their reputation. They've never met me. They've never even 665 0:48:45 --> 0:48:49 called me. I've called them. And they are on social media, 666 0:48:49 --> 0:48:53 demanding that I lose my license. They have no basis for 667 0:48:53 --> 0:48:56 that. They have they might have heard from someone that I said 668 0:48:56 --> 0:49:00 this, they never bothered to call me and say, Scott, did you 669 0:49:00 --> 0:49:07 say that? I think we've lost that ability within the 670 0:49:07 --> 0:49:11 colleagues of medicine to disagree with one another, and 671 0:49:11 --> 0:49:15 to keep going. And I think part of it is because we have these 672 0:49:15 --> 0:49:19 artificial claims about science, we get this ridiculous 673 0:49:19 --> 0:49:22 statement by Tony Fauci saying that if you don't follow him, 674 0:49:22 --> 0:49:26 you're not following science. I think most of us have a base 675 0:49:26 --> 0:49:30 level understanding that science is at one level, it's about 676 0:49:30 --> 0:49:34 observing. It's about hypothesizing. It's about 677 0:49:34 --> 0:49:39 measuring them, trying to come up with an experiment to prove 678 0:49:39 --> 0:49:44 or disprove my hypothesis. That's what we've always been 679 0:49:44 --> 0:49:47 about. But it seems like if we elevate that, we say, well, 680 0:49:48 --> 0:49:53 listen, these masks that I'm being told to wear, people are 681 0:49:53 --> 0:49:56 still getting the disease, or people are still transmitting 682 0:49:56 --> 0:50:00 the disease. We couldn't even have that conversation. All of 683 0:50:00 --> 0:50:05 a sudden, we were we were being vilified for being a number one 684 0:50:05 --> 0:50:10 senator called me beyond irresponsible. And I did dinner 685 0:50:10 --> 0:50:14 with the guy. And I thought, what does that mean? Beyond 686 0:50:14 --> 0:50:18 irresponsible, because I'm questioning the efficacy of a 687 0:50:18 --> 0:50:22 mask that some of our OSHA studies have indicated have an 688 0:50:22 --> 0:50:27 18% filtration capability. How did we get to be so to me, 689 0:50:27 --> 0:50:30 that's, that's the thing that we've lost that I treasured the 690 0:50:30 --> 0:50:33 most. And I've told my both my daughters, I don't think we're 691 0:50:33 --> 0:50:37 going to get it back in my lifetime. I think physicians have 692 0:50:37 --> 0:50:38 absolutely fractured. 693 0:50:40 --> 0:50:44 Sounds like the license have been weapon used as a weapon 694 0:50:44 --> 0:50:47 against the thinking of physicians. 695 0:50:48 --> 0:50:50 And you know, as well as I do that when a rubber band is 696 0:50:50 --> 0:50:53 stretched beyond its normal capacity, it never returns to 697 0:50:53 --> 0:50:54 the way it was. 698 0:50:56 --> 0:50:59 Thanks, Brandon. Gonna keep going. Glenn, Glenn McCarty. 699 0:51:00 --> 0:51:04 Hi, how are you glad to meet you. I'm mine's gonna touch on 700 0:51:04 --> 0:51:07 spiritual and legislative. So hold on. 701 0:51:08 --> 0:51:09 Glad. 702 0:51:10 --> 0:51:14 The spiritual side. I'm part of a group that fleet field is 703 0:51:14 --> 0:51:18 moral compass has been lost by a large part of the world. And 704 0:51:18 --> 0:51:22 specifically from a biblical viewpoint, the ninth amendment, 705 0:51:22 --> 0:51:30 as well as Ezekiel 33 and 37. So the ninth commandment is that 706 0:51:30 --> 0:51:34 thou shalt not bear fault with witness. And a lot of people 707 0:51:34 --> 0:51:36 believe, well, it's okay, as long as I wasn't directly doing 708 0:51:36 --> 0:51:40 the harm, I can sort of see it. And that's not, I don't think 709 0:51:40 --> 0:51:44 what was meant by it in the biblical sense. And so 710 0:51:44 --> 0:51:47 specifically, our group is wondering if you'd be willing to 711 0:51:47 --> 0:51:52 work with us to, to present a somewhat of a summary or a mini 712 0:51:52 --> 0:51:58 sermon on what the population could do to in fact, properly 713 0:51:58 --> 0:52:02 follow the ninth commandment and and come forward with the 714 0:52:02 --> 0:52:09 truth and to stop being a part of the problem and part of the 715 0:52:09 --> 0:52:13 falsehoods going on, and that they can bring truth forward. 716 0:52:14 --> 0:52:18 Well, thank you. And as I mentioned, I was in the seminary 717 0:52:18 --> 0:52:22 before I went into medicine. And people oftentimes will tease 718 0:52:22 --> 0:52:27 me, they call me 414. Because I've told people, well, chapter 719 0:52:27 --> 0:52:30 four, verse 14 has really been the guiding post in my life over 720 0:52:30 --> 0:52:34 the last four years. And they say, well, in what book? And I 721 0:52:34 --> 0:52:38 said, well, many of them, I said, go to Exodus 414, it'll 722 0:52:38 --> 0:52:44 say, and God's anger smolder. And that was when Moses was 723 0:52:44 --> 0:52:47 declining the job offer God was giving him and say, hey, I don't 724 0:52:47 --> 0:52:50 really think I'm up to the task. Let's have that my brother 725 0:52:50 --> 0:52:53 Aaron do it, he could do it better. And then you go to Esther 726 0:52:53 --> 0:52:57 414, and you read about for such a time as this. And then you 727 0:52:57 --> 0:53:01 go to John 414, where it talks about, but he who drinks of the 728 0:53:01 --> 0:53:04 water I give him will never thirst for the water I give will 729 0:53:04 --> 0:53:08 spring into a well of eternal life. And then you go to Hebrews 730 0:53:08 --> 0:53:11 414, which is why I think we're all on this program together, 731 0:53:11 --> 0:53:16 sir. And that says, hold fast to the beliefs you profess. So 732 0:53:16 --> 0:53:20 from my perspective, my spirituality weighs heavily in 733 0:53:20 --> 0:53:24 terms of my actions over the last three years. But I'm also 734 0:53:24 --> 0:53:29 aware of the fact that there are people that are agnostic or 735 0:53:29 --> 0:53:32 atheistic, or of a different religious background than I am. 736 0:53:32 --> 0:53:36 And we're all on the same page. So I've been hesitant to move 737 0:53:36 --> 0:53:40 too deeply into the religious realm, per se, because to me, 738 0:53:42 --> 0:53:45 this whole thing, the real victim in what's going on is not 739 0:53:45 --> 0:53:49 Scott Jensen having his license investigated. The real victim 740 0:53:49 --> 0:53:54 here is the patient, the person who needs healing, the person 741 0:53:54 --> 0:53:58 who's suffering from depression, anxiety, perhaps an unchecked 742 0:53:58 --> 0:54:02 cancer, congestive heart failure. I think if we want to 743 0:54:02 --> 0:54:07 get back to what we should be doing, religious persuasion aside, 744 0:54:08 --> 0:54:12 we just have to focus on the patient. And I don't think we 745 0:54:12 --> 0:54:16 are. I think patients feel more like a pawn than they have in 746 0:54:16 --> 0:54:19 my 40 years of medicine. So I appreciate very much your 747 0:54:19 --> 0:54:23 commitment and your perspective and to utilize your faith based 748 0:54:23 --> 0:54:27 background to bring to the fore those vital issues that need 749 0:54:27 --> 0:54:32 to be raised up and elevated. But for me, I'm sort of trying 750 0:54:32 --> 0:54:36 to go the path now of I'm going to go through the legal channels. 751 0:54:36 --> 0:54:39 I'm going to the courts and I'm going to say patients have been 752 0:54:39 --> 0:54:44 denied the opportunity to have me as their doctor and courageous 753 0:54:44 --> 0:54:49 on their behalf, because my courage has been less because I 754 0:54:49 --> 0:54:53 don't want to lose my license. And my patients know that there 755 0:54:53 --> 0:54:58 are times where in the office, I've had to be political about 756 0:54:58 --> 0:55:01 sort of shying away from some of their questions or some of 757 0:55:01 --> 0:55:05 their requests, because I'm really not interested in losing 758 0:55:05 --> 0:55:09 my license. And yet, I also think that I am in the position 759 0:55:09 --> 0:55:13 I'm in for just such a time as this. And I do have an obligation 760 0:55:13 --> 0:55:17 to stand strong and courageous, even at the potential risk of 761 0:55:17 --> 0:55:22 personal harm. So every day I'm walking that balance. But in 762 0:55:22 --> 0:55:25 terms of getting involved in religion, I speak to churches of 763 0:55:25 --> 0:55:28 all backgrounds at different times. But thank you for what 764 0:55:28 --> 0:55:30 you're doing. I appreciate it very much. 765 0:55:30 --> 0:55:33 All right, just one other comment. And that's that right 766 0:55:33 --> 0:55:37 now we do have part of as part of our program, we're going 767 0:55:37 --> 0:55:40 under the brother name of Humanity Coalition. And our theme 768 0:55:40 --> 0:55:44 right now is whistle for humanity, so that all those that 769 0:55:44 --> 0:55:48 are guilty, they can step away, lead their companies that 770 0:55:48 --> 0:55:51 where they're they're complicit with that activity, or become a 771 0:55:51 --> 0:55:57 whistleblower. And, and we're specifically aligned with Warner 772 0:55:57 --> 0:56:01 Mendenhall as a lawyer in a legal firm to for them to submit 773 0:56:01 --> 0:56:04 those requests. Thank you. Thank you. God bless you. 774 0:56:05 --> 0:56:07 Thank you, sir. One follow up comment, I just want to make 775 0:56:07 --> 0:56:10 someone mentioned health freedom, and I'm a huge advocate 776 0:56:10 --> 0:56:12 for health freedom. But when I think of health freedom, I always 777 0:56:12 --> 0:56:18 think of four A's and the word ICE. And the four A's for me in 778 0:56:18 --> 0:56:22 terms of health freedom, you have to have access, it has to 779 0:56:22 --> 0:56:26 be available, it has to be affordable, and it has to be 780 0:56:26 --> 0:56:30 accountable. And right now, if you look at what we did over the 781 0:56:30 --> 0:56:34 last three years to patients, we need to push hard for 782 0:56:34 --> 0:56:38 accountability. And then the word ICE always enters my mind. 783 0:56:38 --> 0:56:43 And the word ICE ICE, there has to be informed consent. And 784 0:56:43 --> 0:56:46 informed consent is not determined by a form or a 785 0:56:46 --> 0:56:50 doctor. It's what does that patient need in order to make a 786 0:56:50 --> 0:56:54 reasonable decision. And then the C in the word ICE has got to 787 0:56:54 --> 0:56:57 be confidential. And in the United States, so much 788 0:56:57 --> 0:57:02 confidentiality has been lost. Patients have been traced, 789 0:57:02 --> 0:57:05 tracked against their will without their knowledge. There 790 0:57:05 --> 0:57:09 is no confidentiality in the healthcare world of Minnesota 791 0:57:09 --> 0:57:13 and the United States today as there was. And the E, the E 792 0:57:13 --> 0:57:17 stems from the phrase in America, e pluribus unum, out of 793 0:57:17 --> 0:57:22 many one. I get it. In caring for an individual, there may be 794 0:57:22 --> 0:57:26 multiple stakeholders involved. Obviously, the patient, the 795 0:57:26 --> 0:57:29 family, the pharmacist, the doctor, the nurse, all of these 796 0:57:29 --> 0:57:33 folks are stakeholders in that person's healthcare equation. 797 0:57:34 --> 0:57:36 But out of all those stakeholders, there has to be 798 0:57:36 --> 0:57:41 one that is privileged to champion the healthcare. And 799 0:57:41 --> 0:57:45 that has to be the patient. And in the United States, with our 800 0:57:45 --> 0:57:49 insurance companies, our HMOs, our accountable care 801 0:57:49 --> 0:57:54 organizations, all of these fancy ways to somehow minimize 802 0:57:54 --> 0:57:58 the patient's wants, it is absolutely devastated the 803 0:57:58 --> 0:58:01 patient's ability to be their own best champion. Patients 804 0:58:01 --> 0:58:05 don't even realize sometimes what they're railing against. 805 0:58:05 --> 0:58:09 But that's what it is. They feel like it's out of control, and 806 0:58:09 --> 0:58:12 they don't get to choose. And they're they're horrified to 807 0:58:12 --> 0:58:16 think of it. Next question. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, 808 0:58:16 --> 0:58:27 Glenn. Mark. Mark. Hi, Scott. Have you been in touch with Trey 809 0:58:27 --> 0:58:33 Gowdy? I do not know Trey Gowdy personally. I have followed 810 0:58:33 --> 0:58:37 him closely when he decided to not run for reelection. I 811 0:58:37 --> 0:58:41 thought, what a loss for those hard conversations. I will 812 0:58:41 --> 0:58:46 never forget the ability for Trey Gowdy to just land one of 813 0:58:46 --> 0:58:50 those piercing questions. Because I think so oftentimes, we 814 0:58:50 --> 0:58:54 make more impact when we ask the question than we pontificate 815 0:58:54 --> 0:58:57 with the answer. But I don't have his personal information. 816 0:58:57 --> 0:59:01 I'll be glad to give all of you my email right now. And if you 817 0:59:01 --> 0:59:04 wanted to try to connect me with Trey Gowdy, I would I would 818 0:59:04 --> 0:59:07 welcome that. I have certainly been on in contact with Jordan 819 0:59:07 --> 0:59:13 Peterson and Peter McCall. And my email is smj2203 at gmail.com. 820 0:59:13 --> 0:59:16 And I'll just give that to you one more time. It's smj as in 821 0:59:16 --> 0:59:23 Scott Michael Jensen smj2203 at gmail.com. And if you'd like to 822 0:59:23 --> 0:59:26 correspond with me, I'd sure welcome that. Thank you very 823 0:59:26 --> 0:59:28 much. Thank you. Thank you. 824 0:59:30 --> 0:59:31 Catherine. 825 0:59:35 --> 0:59:38 Hello. Thanks for being here, Scott. It's really great 826 0:59:38 --> 0:59:42 hearing you just like so many people here. I listened to the 827 0:59:42 --> 0:59:46 very first time you talked about the death certificates and 828 0:59:46 --> 0:59:49 it's a really powerful thing that you did there just simply 829 0:59:49 --> 0:59:54 telling the truth. So what I'm here to ask you is about a 830 0:59:54 --> 0:59:59 month ago, there was a COVID litigation conference put on by 831 0:59:59 --> 1:00:02 Warner Mendenhall, as Glenn mentioned earlier, and I'm 832 1:00:02 --> 1:00:05 working with him on a number of different things. But one of 833 1:00:05 --> 1:00:09 the things that I'm working on him with is facilitating 834 1:00:09 --> 1:00:14 communication between attorneys and experts and victims after 835 1:00:14 --> 1:00:17 that conference to, you know, get things moving. One of the 836 1:00:17 --> 1:00:21 things that has been a great deal of interest to many of 837 1:00:21 --> 1:00:24 those attorneys who haven't yet been activated in the COVID 838 1:00:24 --> 1:00:27 space simply because it's so new attorneys tend to be pretty 839 1:00:27 --> 1:00:30 risk averse. And we're trying to figure out ways to empower 840 1:00:30 --> 1:00:35 them to do stuff. But there's a lot of interest in defending 841 1:00:35 --> 1:00:39 medical board licenses, and how to go about it legislatively, 842 1:00:39 --> 1:00:43 legally, even in terms of contractual and all that kind of 843 1:00:43 --> 1:00:46 stuff. So one of the things I was doing is arranging for a 844 1:00:46 --> 1:00:49 working group on exactly these kinds of topics. And I was 845 1:00:49 --> 1:00:51 wondering if you'd be willing to join us on that. 846 1:00:53 --> 1:00:58 I would, but I would want to put a caveat out there. And 847 1:00:58 --> 1:01:03 that's that I know attorney, and I sort of feel like the 848 1:01:03 --> 1:01:05 attorney I'm using, I'm using a fellow named Greg Joseph, he's 849 1:01:05 --> 1:01:08 my lead attorney, and we're building, we built out a legal 850 1:01:08 --> 1:01:13 team now. But he is so much smarter than I am. So I've been 851 1:01:13 --> 1:01:16 pretty clear with him. I said, you know, you know my story, and 852 1:01:16 --> 1:01:19 you know that anytime you want, you can call me and I'll tell 853 1:01:19 --> 1:01:21 you what my perspective is, what I thought I said and all 854 1:01:21 --> 1:01:24 that. But I've given 10s of 1000s of comments and speeches 855 1:01:24 --> 1:01:28 in the Senate and on the campaign trail. So I've 856 1:01:28 --> 1:01:31 connected with Tom wrens, who's been prominent in the United 857 1:01:31 --> 1:01:34 States, and Tom and I have done each other's podcasts, we have 858 1:01:34 --> 1:01:38 each other's information. And my attorney, Greg Joseph is 859 1:01:38 --> 1:01:41 getting more and more involved with those kinds of, if you 860 1:01:42 --> 1:01:47 will, coalitions of the minds. When we file the papers in the 861 1:01:47 --> 1:01:51 district court, I'm asking my attorney, Greg Joseph to be as 862 1:01:51 --> 1:01:55 transparent as possible, I would like those to be put on social 863 1:01:55 --> 1:02:02 media, so the world can consume the discussion and participate 864 1:02:02 --> 1:02:05 in what does this mean? How important is this as we weigh 865 1:02:05 --> 1:02:10 those scales of justice? But you have my contact information, 866 1:02:10 --> 1:02:14 and I'd be glad to respond. But in terms of joining another 867 1:02:14 --> 1:02:17 work group, I would have to decline just because I am still 868 1:02:17 --> 1:02:20 practicing medicine four days a week. All right. Well, thank 869 1:02:20 --> 1:02:25 you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Catherine, Theresa from 870 1:02:25 --> 1:02:33 also from Wales, Scott. Hi, Scott, I don't know if you can 871 1:02:33 --> 1:02:37 hear me. I may need to stop my video. I'm tethering to a 872 1:02:37 --> 1:02:44 mobile phone. I hear you. Okay. I hear you just. Oh, thank you 873 1:02:44 --> 1:02:48 for everything you're doing. My question is, I think it's clear 874 1:02:48 --> 1:02:53 to all of us now that the spike protein in the SARS-CoV-2 virus, 875 1:02:53 --> 1:02:58 if there is a virus, is the pathogenic part of the virus. And 876 1:02:58 --> 1:03:01 it's also the antigen in all eight of the vaccines that were 877 1:03:01 --> 1:03:05 brought to market in 2020. I don't think that was a 878 1:03:05 --> 1:03:09 coincidence. Could you please comment on why that might have 879 1:03:09 --> 1:03:12 happened? When I was in this, thank you for the question. When I 880 1:03:12 --> 1:03:16 was in the Senate, one of the prohibitions we had was we did 881 1:03:16 --> 1:03:21 not allow one another to speculate on the motivation of 882 1:03:21 --> 1:03:25 another person. So I'm going to have to pass on why that might 883 1:03:25 --> 1:03:29 be. But I do want to comment on what you said. I disagree with 884 1:03:29 --> 1:03:33 you in that you said, I think we can all recognize or all agree. 885 1:03:34 --> 1:03:38 I wish we could. I wish we could all agree that the spike 886 1:03:38 --> 1:03:43 protein in and of itself has pathogenicity with it. I think 887 1:03:43 --> 1:03:46 there's a lot of physicians in the United States who do not 888 1:03:46 --> 1:03:50 recognize that emerging truth, that emerging scientific 889 1:03:51 --> 1:03:54 explanation for so much of what we're seeing, whether you're 890 1:03:54 --> 1:03:59 talking about post-vaccination syndromes in the first 30 days 891 1:03:59 --> 1:04:04 or in the next 12 months. I think Peter McCullough has done a 892 1:04:04 --> 1:04:08 wonderful job of speaking to that issue. This spike protein 893 1:04:08 --> 1:04:11 that's being created by this quoted set of instructions that 894 1:04:11 --> 1:04:15 isn't being degraded as quickly as we had been led to believe it 895 1:04:15 --> 1:04:19 would be. This is causing horrendous problems because 896 1:04:19 --> 1:04:24 whenever you have a molecule in excess in our bloodstream, our 897 1:04:24 --> 1:04:28 bodies naturally tend to deposit it somewhere. We're not going 898 1:04:28 --> 1:04:33 to let a given molecule alter our entirely our osmotic 899 1:04:33 --> 1:04:37 pressure. We know that we make calculations on sodium, 900 1:04:37 --> 1:04:39 potassium, and all of those things that go into our renal 901 1:04:39 --> 1:04:44 function based on osmolality. We're not going to have spike 902 1:04:44 --> 1:04:48 protein be able to circulate willy-nilly without limit. That 903 1:04:48 --> 1:04:51 means if we're going to keep producing it, it's going to be 904 1:04:51 --> 1:04:55 deposited in places and we're seeing that. It's unfortunate, I 905 1:04:55 --> 1:04:59 think, that we have many physicians who have no idea that 906 1:04:59 --> 1:05:04 the spike protein itself is pathogenic. Then when you 907 1:05:04 --> 1:05:07 unleash your immune system to create antibodies to this 908 1:05:08 --> 1:05:12 inundated force of spike protein, how in the world can we 909 1:05:12 --> 1:05:17 not have major problems? I wish that we could get that message 910 1:05:17 --> 1:05:21 out, but I'm afraid that people have literally shields around 911 1:05:21 --> 1:05:25 their brain where they're not letting that thought even become 912 1:05:25 --> 1:05:31 a possible consideration that the spike protein itself is the 913 1:05:31 --> 1:05:35 problem. I shouldn't say is the problem, is a problem, because I 914 1:05:35 --> 1:05:39 don't know that we know. I mean, like for me, when I had COVID, 915 1:05:39 --> 1:05:42 I've had it twice. I have antibodies to both the spike 916 1:05:42 --> 1:05:46 protein, but I also have antibodies to the nucleocapsid. I 917 1:05:46 --> 1:05:50 don't know if we understand completely how this COVID-19 918 1:05:50 --> 1:05:57 virus causes its manifestations. Certainly, the spike protein is 919 1:05:57 --> 1:06:02 a big piece of it, but I think that the RNA of the COVID-19 virus 920 1:06:02 --> 1:06:06 itself also probably has a few other tricks up its sleeve that 921 1:06:06 --> 1:06:11 can cause inflammation, histamines release, spasticity of 922 1:06:11 --> 1:06:15 the smooth muscles as well as the cardiac muscles, and 923 1:06:15 --> 1:06:19 potentially it may even have its unique impacts on the electrical 924 1:06:19 --> 1:06:23 purkinje system in the myocardium. I just don't think we know that 925 1:06:23 --> 1:06:29 yet. Thank you. Next question. Thank you. Thanks, Theresa. Cordelia. 926 1:06:33 --> 1:06:37 Yeah, hi. It's not so much a question, but a comment. A few 927 1:06:37 --> 1:06:42 weeks ago, there was an article in the BMJ, a doctor, a pediatric 928 1:06:42 --> 1:06:48 anesthetist, he was suspended for six months for using his wife's 929 1:06:48 --> 1:06:54 travel pass on the London Underground. When I read that, I thought this is 930 1:06:54 --> 1:06:59 something that should have been dealt with by the police or whatever. 931 1:06:59 --> 1:07:04 You should have paid a fine or whatever punishment is appropriate, 932 1:07:05 --> 1:07:11 but instead, the GMC gets involved and suspends him for six months. I 933 1:07:11 --> 1:07:18 thought this is quite a harsh punishment considering it's nothing to 934 1:07:18 --> 1:07:23 do with his medical performance, and in fact, all his colleagues supported 935 1:07:23 --> 1:07:31 him. I think the GMC is on a mission to strike doctors off or suspend them 936 1:07:33 --> 1:07:38 for very little. My theory is that this is to put the fear of God into 937 1:07:38 --> 1:07:45 doctors so they just obey and comply. I don't know what your opinion is on 938 1:07:45 --> 1:07:50 that, but I think the GMC, it's a lot easier for them now to suspend 939 1:07:50 --> 1:07:54 doctors and strike them off for next to nothing. There has been quite a high 940 1:07:55 --> 1:08:03 suicide rate of doctors being investigated and communication was really poor. 941 1:08:05 --> 1:08:11 Let me jump in there. Your words are profound and the concern you express is huge. 942 1:08:12 --> 1:08:18 I think one word in particular that you articulated really carries your message, 943 1:08:18 --> 1:08:23 and that's comply. I think five years from now, when we look back on this, 944 1:08:24 --> 1:08:29 we're going to see that so many of the efforts on the part of government, 945 1:08:30 --> 1:08:40 public health, pharma, big tech, our licensing authorities, a lot of the efforts were focused 946 1:08:40 --> 1:08:47 on compliance. The fact that 50 to 100 of us are having a conversation today, 947 1:08:48 --> 1:08:55 arguably, we're not being compliant. We're actually speaking our minds. We're expressing 948 1:08:55 --> 1:08:59 our mutual concerns. We're asking how we can address those concerns more effectively. 949 1:09:01 --> 1:09:09 But compliance has been the absolute unspoken target of so much. When we look at social 950 1:09:09 --> 1:09:15 distancing and we went from a meter to six feet in America, we were being told 32 feet. 951 1:09:16 --> 1:09:22 It just doesn't stop. Compliance is something we're going to have to deal with. Going forward, 952 1:09:22 --> 1:09:29 if public health can't help societies deal with public health crises without seeming to focus 953 1:09:29 --> 1:09:35 on always wanting more control and compliance, public health will continue to be destined to 954 1:09:35 --> 1:09:43 fail. Because while we may be at times too willing to behave like lemmings marching to the sea, 955 1:09:44 --> 1:09:49 we are a different people across the globe today than we were three years ago. Absolutely. 956 1:09:50 --> 1:09:57 Well, imagine a builder being caught on the tube train without a ticket or whatever. 957 1:09:57 --> 1:10:02 He would still be able to work and just pay his fine. So it's just absurd that the GMC 958 1:10:03 --> 1:10:09 gets involved with little things like that because it has absolutely nothing to do with 959 1:10:09 --> 1:10:15 his performance at work. I just think it's a deliberate attempt to put the fear of God into 960 1:10:15 --> 1:10:21 doctors to just- I've got five more minutes. Let's get to the other questions if we can. Thank you. 961 1:10:21 --> 1:10:25 Thanks, Claudia. Chuck? Five more minutes, we're good. 962 1:10:25 --> 1:10:32 Chuck? Okay, then I'll be very brief and I'm just going to read a couple of things. I'm from 963 1:10:32 --> 1:10:41 Portland, Oregon, and I've posted in the chat an invitation to the doctors group to 964 1:10:43 --> 1:10:50 help us to describe what a liberated medical system looks like. I'm with the Green Liberty 965 1:10:50 --> 1:10:58 Caucus, Green Liberty Block. I'm about liberation. And so I'm going to ask Dr. Jensen to just give 966 1:10:58 --> 1:11:06 us some highlights from his book on what the key reforms could look like. And that's really kind 967 1:11:06 --> 1:11:11 of what I wanted to- and then I'll make a final observation that I am aware that doctors are not 968 1:11:11 --> 1:11:19 asking patients who come in with weird symptoms if they've taken the vaccine or not. That is a 969 1:11:19 --> 1:11:28 completely empty piece of diagnostic inquiry that docs are not doing. That is just a scandal 970 1:11:28 --> 1:11:34 upon scandals and it's- we're in cognitive dissonance. I posted a link to Fran Schur's 971 1:11:34 --> 1:11:41 essays from the A&E for Architects. So how do we liberate from big pharma? 972 1:11:41 --> 1:11:47 Chuck? Okay, so some people have posted in the chat that they're having trouble purchasing the 973 1:11:47 --> 1:11:56 book at drscottsjensenbook.com. I could also have you reach out to my office at Catalyst. 974 1:11:56 --> 1:12:11 The phone number there is 952-955-1963. And they can send the book out as well. They'll just ask 975 1:12:11 --> 1:12:17 you for your credit card. It's 20 bucks. But 952-955-1963. But I thought that we were able 976 1:12:17 --> 1:12:23 to sell them at drscottsjensenbook.com. But the last sentence in this book says this, Chuck, 977 1:12:24 --> 1:12:29 and this is to me the way back because you're absolutely right in terms of what you're saying. 978 1:12:30 --> 1:12:38 But I said this and I have some 35 chapters leading up to this. We got to follow our conscience, 979 1:12:38 --> 1:12:44 free from fear, coercion, and deceit. We need to realize the power of shared voices and know this. 980 1:12:44 --> 1:12:49 Alone, there's so much we cannot do. But together, there is so little we cannot do. 981 1:12:50 --> 1:12:55 We have got to stick together. We have got to, and I'm seeing it. We started this givesandgo.com 982 1:12:57 --> 1:13:04 slash scottsjensen three days ago. And we're seeing more physicians and nurses quietly donate 983 1:13:04 --> 1:13:08 anonymously because they're concerned just as you and I are, Chuck. I mean, 984 1:13:09 --> 1:13:16 this is unconscionable what's happened. And I have nothing more to say. Next question. 985 1:13:16 --> 1:13:18 Well, I appreciate that. Thank you. 986 1:13:18 --> 1:13:22 Okay. Jim, then Alison and then Stephen, and we're done. Jim. 987 1:13:23 --> 1:13:29 Thanks very much, Dr. Jensen. Great talk. And I've been texting with you a little bit about the 988 1:13:30 --> 1:13:36 origins, the background of what may be happening, who's really in control of big tech, big pharma, 989 1:13:37 --> 1:13:42 and big government. Recently, there have been some exposures saying Anthony Blinken, 990 1:13:43 --> 1:13:50 before he was even Secretary of State in October of 2020, called the lying spies to say the Hunter 991 1:13:50 --> 1:13:55 Biden laptop was a Russian disinformation, Chinese disinformation or whatever, when it was real. 992 1:13:56 --> 1:14:04 And now he seems to be the only person who could subvert us from this UN takeover of our health 993 1:14:04 --> 1:14:12 care system, as James Rogacy has outlined. Zeke Emanuel or these HHS. 994 1:14:12 --> 1:14:13 Yeah, we got to keep things moving. 995 1:14:13 --> 1:14:19 Oh, yeah. So what are your thoughts on that in terms of the background of the underlying 996 1:14:19 --> 1:14:23 people behind big pharma, big tech and big government? Thanks. 997 1:14:24 --> 1:14:27 Well, I think one of the things that COVID has done is it has sort of, 998 1:14:28 --> 1:14:35 if you will, peeled away a layer of protection for these people. We've seen an awareness 999 1:14:35 --> 1:14:41 about big pharma. A lot of people thought big pharma was over here and tech was over here and 1000 1:14:41 --> 1:14:46 government was over here. I think there's an awareness today that we didn't have three years 1001 1:14:46 --> 1:14:53 ago that no, there is a collusion. And big tech did everything it could to protect the Hunter Biden 1002 1:14:53 --> 1:14:59 thing. We saw that. We're all seeing a change in Twitter with Elon Musk being at the helm. 1003 1:14:59 --> 1:15:04 I mean, to go into depth, Jim, with what you're asking about would be a 24 hour conversation in 1004 1:15:04 --> 1:15:11 and of itself. But I think for me, the thing that gives me a little bit of hope is the fact that we 1005 1:15:11 --> 1:15:17 are waking up. And even if it doesn't feel like we're recruiting people to take a different 1006 1:15:17 --> 1:15:24 perspective, maybe we'd like to grow our movement faster. Sometimes we don't get to choose the pace. 1007 1:15:24 --> 1:15:28 We just have to do that, which we can do. And giving up and quitting is just not an option. 1008 1:15:28 --> 1:15:31 Next question. Okay. Alison. 1009 1:15:33 --> 1:15:37 Hello, Scott. Thanks very much for your words. I'm a family doctor or I was a family doctor, 1010 1:15:37 --> 1:15:42 a GP in New Zealand. I'm just wanting to know, you know, our doctors in New Zealand are being 1011 1:15:42 --> 1:15:49 harassed with the same sort of languaging that everyone around the world is getting. 1012 1:15:49 --> 1:15:53 And I'm just wondering what you think the role of the Federation of State Medical Boards 1013 1:15:53 --> 1:15:59 and the International Association of Medical Regulatory Authorities is, 1014 1:16:01 --> 1:16:03 you know, coordinating the attack on doctors that's worldwide. 1015 1:16:04 --> 1:16:09 I think we have to use this as a springboard with what's gone on over the last years, what's 1016 1:16:09 --> 1:16:14 gone on to doctors in New Zealand and Australia, across the globe, what's happened to me. 1017 1:16:15 --> 1:16:22 When I was in the Senate, I actually did try to put forth a piece of legislation that would 1018 1:16:23 --> 1:16:29 limit the amount of power these physician federation boards would have, because 1019 1:16:30 --> 1:16:39 they have no checks and balances. And if I don't have my family medicine board certification, 1020 1:16:39 --> 1:16:46 I have trouble getting on some of the networks to take care of patients because insurance 1021 1:16:46 --> 1:16:53 companies are required. I have trouble getting hospital privileges. So these specialty federations, 1022 1:16:53 --> 1:16:57 whether you're talking family practice, internal medicine, general surgery, anesthesiology, 1023 1:16:58 --> 1:17:03 they've got a tremendous amount of power. And so in the United States, we're talking about creating 1024 1:17:03 --> 1:17:09 more of a generalized collect, catch all kind of Federation where we can all get board certified 1025 1:17:09 --> 1:17:14 without the political residual. And it's called AAPS. If you haven't heard of that, you might just 1026 1:17:14 --> 1:17:21 AAPS, American Association of Physicians and Surgeons. But I think this is a huge issue. 1027 1:17:21 --> 1:17:25 And I think while it's not really being the issue that's being discussed today, 1028 1:17:25 --> 1:17:30 as much as we would like, I think this is going to grow. It's not going to be linear. It's not 1029 1:17:30 --> 1:17:34 going to be just like it's going to sort of percolate along, and then it's going to take off. 1030 1:17:34 --> 1:17:40 And people are going to say, you know what, we have allowed these specialty boards to compromise 1031 1:17:40 --> 1:17:45 the kind of healthcare patients get because what they're doing is they're limiting the physician 1032 1:17:45 --> 1:17:51 from doing what the physicians know in many situations is best for the patient. So I absolutely 1033 1:17:51 --> 1:17:57 share your concerns. I appreciate your articulating it. We have got to grow this issue because quite 1034 1:17:57 --> 1:18:03 frankly, I am not impressed with these individual fiefdoms that these specialty 1035 1:18:03 --> 1:18:10 organizations have put in place. Thank you. Thanks, Alison. Last question to Stephen 1036 1:18:10 --> 1:18:15 Frost. And then, then Scotty, you can go and thank you so much for your time. Stephen. 1037 1:18:16 --> 1:18:21 So Scott, it's not really a question that are you aware that, well, this is a question. 1038 1:18:21 --> 1:18:25 Are you aware of the Council of Europe reports into the investigation which they were forced 1039 1:18:25 --> 1:18:32 to conduct by a medical doctor in Germany who was also a politician at the time, Wolfgang Wodarg, 1040 1:18:32 --> 1:18:37 into the 2009, and the Council of Europe have got this in a report on the internet, 1041 1:18:38 --> 1:18:45 swine flu pandemic fraud. Are you aware of that? And would you be put in touch with Wolfgang Wodarg, 1042 1:18:45 --> 1:18:51 the brilliant German doctor who is responsible for forcing that investigation? And the report 1043 1:18:51 --> 1:18:57 is sitting there. Nobody's noticed it. I'm just astonished. Yeah, I'm not aware of it, sir. Thank 1044 1:18:57 --> 1:19:02 you. And I'm going to pass on that one. I've got enough issues on my plate right now. But I mean, 1045 1:19:02 --> 1:19:09 I know that there are these issues all over the country. But I have one of my obligations is 1046 1:19:10 --> 1:19:17 my focus. So the last question, are you aware that some of my figures for the deaths from 1047 1:19:17 --> 1:19:22 injections short term are approximately 20 million as far as one can sell. And those figures are 1048 1:19:22 --> 1:19:28 based on the figures from theirs, from eudravigilance in the EU, and from the MHRA 1049 1:19:28 --> 1:19:34 in the UK with a combined population of 850 million. I think that's right. So a tenth of 1050 1:19:34 --> 1:19:42 the world's population and 20 million deaths, I estimate. And I actually published an article 1051 1:19:42 --> 1:19:51 in July 2021. And I drew attention to this and it was called Jacuz. And nobody noticed because 1052 1:19:51 --> 1:19:59 there was so deeply I would very much appreciate I can share the paper, not paper article with you. 1053 1:19:59 --> 1:20:04 It's based on official government. I've got to run I'm losing my battery on my iPad. 1054 1:20:05 --> 1:20:12 You've got my email. And Stephen and everybody. Honestly, Esther 414. 1055 1:20:13 --> 1:20:17 We're in the positions and we might not have anticipated it. But here we are. And it's for 1056 1:20:17 --> 1:20:22 such a time as this. And then we jump straight to Hebrews 414. We got to hold fast to the beliefs 1057 1:20:22 --> 1:20:27 we profess because I'm convinced that every one of the people on this call today, our focus is our 1058 1:20:27 --> 1:20:32 patience. Thank you. Sure. Thank you very much for coming to speak to us. Thank you. Thank you, Scott.