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All right, let's get into it.

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Andy Wakefield, superstar, man of courage, welcome.

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I welcome everybody to this Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics.

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I'm Charles Covesse, your moderator from Australia

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where it's 5 a.m. in the morning.

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So it's fun to get up and not need sleep.

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Now, this group, Andy, thank you for being here.

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Thank you for accepting Stephen's invitation to join us.

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Charles, before you get started,

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could we do a quick survey from the last meeting

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that said we'd check on those people

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that submitted to Dr. Fleming?

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Yes, we'll do that.

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We will do that via the chat.

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Everybody who's submitted Richard Fleming's letter,

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can they please put it in the chat?

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That would be an excellent way to do that.

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Thank you, Glenn, for the reminder.

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So Andy, we're having this group,

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and welcome to particularly to,

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we have a number of new visitors here today.

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The professions included here,

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not just doctors and retired doctors,

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they're lawyers and legal strategists, journalists,

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engineers, IT experts like Glenn, writers, researchers,

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investors, nurses, dentists, financiers,

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patent experts, Andy, troublemakers.

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And I think it's fair to say

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that there are not many people here that we know of

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who are on the side of the government narrative.

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So this is about-

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Gamblers, Charles, you forgot gamblers.

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Yes, we've got gamblers, very good.

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So I wear my red jacket

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because I'm Australia's passion provocateur,

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and people here like you, Andy,

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are passionate about certain things.

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We're here in a true spirit of discovery and exploration

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of what humanity needs.

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Most of us understand we're in World War III.

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We go for two and a half hours in this session,

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Andy, you don't have to be here for two and a half hours,

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but if you can be,

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we listen to you for as long as you wanna speak.

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And if we do Q&A and then we're expecting 100, 120 people.

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Stephen, I had to upgrade the account just in case.

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After the two and a half hours,

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Tom Rodman organized the Telegram group, less structured.

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We structured this pretty well, pretty tightly.

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There's no censorship, but we do proper moderation.

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Free speech is crucial here.

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And this is all about the development of science.

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So we're gonna have disagreements.

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We have to come from a caring space.

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If we're caring about humanity,

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well, please, we've gotta care about each other.

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And Kevin, have an open mind through these meetings.

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Many of you are here every twice a week,

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and it's wonderful to see the learning that I get

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and all of us get from this group.

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So Andy, that's what we're about.

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Stephen started this in the middle of last year,

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and it has been twice a week since.

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So welcome to you, Stephen.

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Do you wanna say anything before Andy gets going?

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And I'm not gonna introduce you, Andy,

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because we wanna know who you are.

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So Andrew, we've understood that it's a war

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and it's not just about science.

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We already knew that it was about medicine,

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but it's about finance, it's about corruption,

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it's about serious crime,

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it's about crimes against humanity and all the rest.

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And we're willing to hear any aspect

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which you can throw light on.

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Right, well, thank you very much.

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It's a great pleasure to be here.

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I'm not quite sure what you want me to do,

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but maybe I should just start and you can shut me up

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if I'm not making any sense.

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Andrew, if you haven't got a presentation prepared

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and you run out of steam,

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we're pretty good at asking questions.

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No, that's fine.

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Although we have got a bit more shy recently,

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I don't know why.

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Somebody pointed out that we're a bunch of introverts,

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which probably we are actually on reflection,

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but I hadn't thought of myself as an introvert before,

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but I'm not an extrovert.

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Okay, well, I welcome questions.

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I have, let me start at the beginning.

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I come from a medical family

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that six generations of physicians trained

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St. Mary's Hospital in London,

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where penicillin was discovered,

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one of its, that and rugby football,

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where it's sort of, well, it excelled at.

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was essentially invested in the art of medicine

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as much as it was in the science.

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to the patient or the patient's parents,

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the story they tell,

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and to determine the merits of that story, to explore it,

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investigate it to the best of my ability to rule in

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or rule out their concerns.

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as mainstream medicine now,

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which is a very different beast to pharmaceutical.

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an insurance company driven profit, for-profit initiative.

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a very articulate, intelligent woman

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who was not anti-vaccine in any way.

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having been perfectly normal, cognitively.

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as he had this neurodevelopmental decline,

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but I know as his mother, what is wrong with him.

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with an inflammatory bowel disease of some sort.

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principally child psychiatrists, had dismissed these.

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the prevalence was approximately one in 10,000.

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we weren't even taught about it.

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but we've not taught about the syndrome itself.

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there is also an epidemic of this particular problem,

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regressive autism with gastrointestinal problems.

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It was utterly compelling as a story.

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She had no reason to indict the vaccine

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other than that is what happened.

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this vaccine was given in isolation.

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where children might receive up to 15 different vaccines

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in the same doctor's visit.

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and therefore parents could pinpoint what had happened.

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from Sydney, Australia at that time.

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gastroenterologists, child psychiatrists.

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the case in medicine, the parent was absolutely right.

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and all of this was done by professor Walker Smith's team

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and they were examined by expert histopathologists.

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with the standard medication that you would use

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there was a dramatic improvement

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but also in the cognitive issues as well.

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that they not used for five years.

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It was rather like that Lorenzo's oil story.

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and we all know of hepatic encephalopathy

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or encephalopathy, the gut-brain link.

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but this was a, if you like,

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a new expression of that old problem.

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what the interaction between the gut and the brain was.

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but it raised a number of very, very interesting

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and testable hypotheses.

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to investigate the vaccine association.

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my colleagues took me aside one day and said,

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Andy, as pediatricians,

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we cannot be seen to question the safety of MMR vaccine.

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That was unacceptable to me.

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and I had no choice, I don't want to sound heroic.

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either work for public health in the pharmaceutical industry

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or I worked for the child sitting across the desk from me

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whose life had been destroyed.

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At that time, and I need to explain this

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because all of this is relevant to what's happening today.

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The British government had withdrawn government funding

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for science broadly.

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but it was extraordinarily difficult to get funding.

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and raising my own funding

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or simply going back into clinical medicine.

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or SmithKline as they were at the time,

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came to the medical school.

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get into what was called a strategic liaison

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with the pharmaceutical industry.

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to fund future research, medical research in the UK.

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And the problems with that are tangibly obvious

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that what happened was the Royal Free Hospital

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where I was working at the time

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were entered into a strategic relationship

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where they took some money from GlaxoSmithKline.

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It was pocket change to this company,

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but to academics, it was a great deal of money.

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And that gave GlaxoSmithKline the first option

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on anything that was produced by researchers at the Royal Free

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irrespective of whether the researchers wanted that or not.

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What that gave GlaxoSmithKline is control

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over not only what research was done

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at the Royal Free Hospital, but what research was not done.

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because they were the principal manufacturer

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of the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine

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for Europe and the United Kingdom.

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It also became the new Dean of,

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sorry, the new professor of medicine,

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Mark Peppers came to the Royal Free.

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On the proviso that they dismissed me.

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I knew nothing about this at the time.

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He, I did not know, but he had a very close tie with Glaxo

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developing a drug called pentraxin

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for the treatment of dementia.

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and it was highly commercial

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and it was clearly a challenge to their,

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a conflict of interest for the medical school

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to allow me to pursue this research.

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Now, again, something I state as a matter

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of historical record, not just because it is a matter

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of fact, we now live in a council culture.

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We recognize it.

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You gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen,

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I'm sure have experienced as medical professionals

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and scientists some pushback against what you've been doing.

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At the time, this did not happen.

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At the time, there was me on one side

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and on the other side, there was the World Health Organization,

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UNICEF, the British government, the pharmaceutical industry,

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the CDC, the NIH, the FDA,

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the American Academy of Pediatrics,

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the Royal College of Pediatricians.

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I could go on and on and on.

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I mean, it was not an even fight.

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And I, again, this is simply a matter of historical record.

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It's not a question of poor Andy Wakefield.

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And so there was no, and what happened then

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is that Glaxo took onto their board.

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We published the Lancet paper.

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The Lancet paper I'll come to in a moment,

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but it became somewhat infamous.

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At that time, they then appointed the son

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of James Murdoch to the board of GlaxoSmithKline

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as a non-executive director with the role

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of protecting that company's reputation in the media.

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And I was his target and he came after me in a big way

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and that had a profound impact on my career.

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So all of this was going on,

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largely unknown to me until it literally hit,

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sort of within 24 hours of publication.

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Lancet paper itself was a case report.

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And those amongst you who have published,

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will know that the way in which medical syndromes

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are first described is the finding of a remarkably

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consistent pattern of signs and symptoms,

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unexpected in a group of patients,

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can be as small as three or four patients.

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It can be, I mean, autism was 11, Crohn's disease was 14,

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no controls, you don't know what you're controlling

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against, you are merely reporting the clinical observations

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and the story told to you by your parents

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and what are the parents or the patient

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and your clinical findings.

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They cannot be hypothesis testing studies.

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What they can do is generate hypothesis.

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And what we did was to report in the Lancet paper

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entirely accurately what we had been told by the parents,

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what the general practitioners had reported to us

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and what the clinical findings were on investigation

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at the Royal Free Hospital.

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And then at the end say, this does not prove

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an association between autism and sorry,

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the vaccine and the syndrome described.

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Further work is required.

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That was the conclusion.

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That has been misinterpreted in the media ad infinitum

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to say that we made the claim that the vaccine,

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MMR vaccine causes autism, quite the opposite.

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Didn't matter.

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What was published and what the media wrote

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was entirely different.

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We're now familiar with this.

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This is old hat to people now living in 2022.

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At the time though, it was very sinister

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because the trust in the media,

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the trust in the medical profession,

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the trust in public health service

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was so much greater than it is now.

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So they put a journalist onto me

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who then came after me.

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And really that was, I realized that there was no chance

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of continuing this work in England.

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And so I then came, I suppose, in professional

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and political exile to the United States

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to continue the work.

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One of the interesting things that had happened

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over the years is that because of the position I'd taken,

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people came to me from the pharmaceutical industry

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and from federal agencies like the CDC, like the NIH,

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FDA and said, we have done a terrible thing

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and here is the evidence.

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And so I became a repository for whistleblowers.

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And so ultimately when I no longer worked in medicine

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or medical science, I decided with a long standing interest,

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I decided to become a filmmaker

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and turn these stories into movies

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to actually become the worst enemy

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of those who had perpetrated this situation.

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And all of this was, let me go back briefly.

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When I first questioned MMR vaccine safety,

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I thought I owe it to myself and to them

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and to the authorities to do a thorough analysis

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of every pre-licensing and post-licensing safety study

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of all measles containing vaccines,

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measles, measles rubella, measles mumps rubella,

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measles mumps rubella, chickenpox

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was not available at that time.

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I wrote a 250 page report analyzing these studies

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and I was astonished.

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I thought I must be doing them at a service.

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I must be missing something.

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There must be a proper randomized control,

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deceiver control, clinical trial

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lasting longer than a few weeks.

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There must be, there was, there was nothing at all.

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And this was astonishing to me for a virus like measles

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that was known to produce persistent infection

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and fatal delayed disease.

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The idea that they had limited the safety studies

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to three weeks was unthinkable.

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The fact that they had conducted those studies

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in children in homes for like the,

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like the Carson Fountain Hospital

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for children with severe physical and mental injuries

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like Willowbrook Hospital in Willowbrook State School

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in Staten Island, New York,

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the home for 5,000 children with severe physical

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and mental disabilities.

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This is where the clinical trials were conducted.

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Why?

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Because these children were expendable.

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It didn't matter whether they lived or died.

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They could be used at the will

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of the pharmaceutical industry.

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And I'll give you one example.

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They, one experiment involved giving children

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oral unprocessed human feces from people with hepatitis B

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to see effectively whether they lived or died

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and if they died, how they died

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because they were expendable.

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And that was in the 1960s.

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So this is not so very long ago

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that this was allowed to happen.

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The last person to conduct research

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in Willowbrook State School before it was shut down

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was Tony Fauci in respect of AIDS treatment.

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Though it's just an interesting historical note

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that can be found in Bobby Kennedy's book,

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The Real Anthony Fauci.

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So as a humanitarian, as much as a physician,

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the more I got into this, the more appalled I became

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at the assumptions that have been made,

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the ethical violations that they seem

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to have permitted themselves for this,

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in this utilitarian quest for some grand scientific payoff.

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It was absolutely astonishing to me.

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And so that was really the background of my story.

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I was accused of scientific fraud.

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I was accused of all kinds of things.

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If anyone has any interest whatsoever

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in examining the facts of that matter,

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then a lawyer by the name of Clifford Miller

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has been pursuing this case like a dog with a bone

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for as long as it's been going on

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and has done an extremely detailed analysis

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of what the British Medical Journal and Brian Deer alleged

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and what actually happened.

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And if there was fraud, undoubtedly,

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and it was entirely on the part of Fiona Godley, Brian Deer

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and the British Medical Journal.

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And I have no hesitation in saying that whatsoever.

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In fact, I tried to sue Brian Deer

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and the British Medical Journal in Travis County, Texas.

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And the reason for doing that

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is not necessary personal exoneration,

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but parents asked me to do so on the basis

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that not to do so, to allow their narrative to stand

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would be to dismiss the parent's story,

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would be to ignore the plight and suffering

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of their children.

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So this is no mean undertaking.

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It's a sort of $3 million venture and hundreds of man hours.

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But the story was utterly compelling.

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Sadly, ultimately, we were denied jurisdiction.

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The case never got to be heard on its merits,

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even though legal precedent was entirely on our side.

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It seems that someone very high up

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did not want this case to see the light of day.

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They didn't want it to see the light of day

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because it emerged in deposition.

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And this is something that happens in America, not in the UK,

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that you get to question your adversaries in advance

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in a meeting of both legal teams.

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Both sides get the opportunity to do that.

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And it became absolutely clear there,

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let me characterize the BMJ's claims.

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They said they had taken the 6 million word transcript

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of the general medical proceedings to fact check

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every one of Brian Deer's allegations of fraud.

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When it came to the deposition,

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what in fact, when we questioned,

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we deposed the deputy editor of the BMJ,

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whose job it was to actually fact check Brian Deer's claims,

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she had gone where he had taken him.

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She wasn't even aware that I had testified.

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My lawyer said to her,

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you are aware that these adversarial proceedings,

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each case, each party gets to present their claim.

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And Andy Wakefield did so.

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He presented his case in what was the longest deposition,

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so the longest testimony in the history

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of the general medical council at that time.

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She said, no, I was not aware of that.

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In other words, she had not read a single word

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of my defense.

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And when that happened, when it became clear

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that the BMJ had actually lied,

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lied not only in public in the British Medical Journal,

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but lied to their own lawyers,

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their lawyer from Texas got up and walked out of the room.

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It was an extremely interesting and dramatic moment.

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And so it became clear.

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And what happened after that is that their lawyers

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went to them and said,

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you either present a new case altogether

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that does not rely on the British,

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on the general medical council transcripts

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and all the facts, or we're out of this.

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You have lied to us.

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And that is exactly what happened.

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They had to then go and almost overnight

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come up with an entirely different affidavit,

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an entirely different story with barely a mention,

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one mention of the general medical council proceedings.

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So they knew that if they went to court,

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they were going to be raked over the coals.

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And so the case was never allowed to go to court.

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And people would say, well, you would say that, wouldn't you?

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Let me ask you one question.

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Why would anyone in their right mind

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want to spend $3 million and all of those,

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everything it took to get this case to where it was going,

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to lay everything out in public,

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all of the facts for people to scrutinize at will

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if they were guilty of fraud?

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You wouldn't do it.

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There'd be no merit whatsoever.

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And that was the case for me.

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But nevermind, this is not about me.

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And that was an extraordinary insight that I gained.

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I suddenly realized that actually this isn't about me at all.

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And I need to get over that.

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I need to forget about that.

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I need to move on.

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There's this about something far, far more important.

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The universe doesn't care what happens to Andy Wakefield,

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but the universe does care what happens

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to the future of this planet and the children of this world.

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And so I went having realized that it was not about me.

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It was about a much bigger issue,

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really about the future of mankind, I think,

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and what medicine is and what it should be.

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And so I felt a great deal better for that

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and was able to approach my work, certainly the filmmaking,

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from an entirely different perspective

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with a much lighter heart and a huge burden

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taken off my shoulders because it's not about me at all.

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It's made, it's dressed up to look like it's about me.

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It's made very personal, but it's not.

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That's just dressing, window dressing.

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So I've now, this brings us, I suppose,

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to one of the films I made.

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And I want to emphasize this because I don't know

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whether people appreciate the significance

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of the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.

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This is highly relevant to where we are today

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in the world with COVID.

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And this act was signed into law by Ronald Reagan, 1986,

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and it was intended to do three things.

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It came about because the pharmaceutical company

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that at that time, Wyeth and Lederle,

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that made the diphtheria tetanus pertussis,

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the old wholesale vaccine, were aware, quite clearly aware,

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in documents that subsequently made it

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into the public domain through our film,

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that their vaccine was causing brain damage and death

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in a very large and unacceptable number of children.

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And they were in the firing line to get sued.

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And so they went to the government and they said,

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presenting false statement, they said,

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we are going to pull out of the vaccine industry

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unless you give us liability protection

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from death and injury caused by our vaccines.

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And if we pull out of the market,

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no one else will make these vaccines.

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Pertussis will come back, Kupinkov will come back,

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children will die, and it'll be your fault.

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How do you feel about that?

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And politicians, as they do, and as we've seen in COVID panic,

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they're not biologists, they're not bacteriologists,

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they know nothing of this.

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And so they are entirely reliant on those,

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giving them the information they receive.

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And they tend to opt for that strategy

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that protects them as much as anyone else.

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And so they passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act

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and it had three intentions.

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One was to make vaccines safer.

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Two was to provide compensation to children

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who had been injured.

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And three was to give a large measure of liability protection

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to the pharmaceutical companies,

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the only exemption being fraud.

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What happened after that act was passed

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is that the vaccine companies

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had the perfect business model.

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In America, children were required to have their vaccines,

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vaccines on the recommended CDC schedule to go to school,

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0:30:16 --> 0:30:19
to go to public school.

609
0:30:20 --> 0:30:24
So they had a mandatory market and they had no liability.

610
0:30:24 --> 0:30:26
They had the perfect business model.

611
0:30:26 --> 0:30:30
All they could do was to make a massive, massive profit.

612
0:30:30 --> 0:30:31
And that's what they did.

613
0:30:31 --> 0:30:33
And the vaccine program expanded

614
0:30:33 --> 0:30:36
and all kinds of new vaccines came onto the market

615
0:30:36 --> 0:30:39
for increasingly specious allegations

616
0:30:39 --> 0:30:44
or allegations of severity, death, disease.

617
0:30:44 --> 0:30:46
People pulled these numbers out of the air

618
0:30:46 --> 0:30:51
in order to justify the introduction of these vaccines.

619
0:30:51 --> 0:30:56
And they made more and more and more and more money.

620
0:30:56 --> 0:30:58
As these vaccines got onto the recommended schedule,

621
0:30:58 --> 0:31:00
they had no liability.

622
0:31:00 --> 0:31:04
They were therefore disincentivized to do safety studies.

623
0:31:04 --> 0:31:07
Why would you undertake safety studies

624
0:31:07 --> 0:31:09
if it threatened your product,

625
0:31:09 --> 0:31:11
if it threatened you getting a license,

626
0:31:11 --> 0:31:14
if you were going to identify an adverse reaction

627
0:31:14 --> 0:31:17
that might stop your product getting to market?

628
0:31:17 --> 0:31:22
And so there was no incentive for them to do safety studies.

629
0:31:22 --> 0:31:25
In fact, there was a disincentive.

630
0:31:25 --> 0:31:28
And so they made an enormous amount of money

631
0:31:28 --> 0:31:29
and they became very, very powerful.

632
0:31:29 --> 0:31:32
And that allowed certain things to happen.

633
0:31:32 --> 0:31:33
And this is why it's relevant to today.

634
0:31:33 --> 0:31:37
They bought medical schools effectively.

635
0:31:37 --> 0:31:39
They started to buy medical training,

636
0:31:39 --> 0:31:40
medical student training.

637
0:31:40 --> 0:31:42
They bought medical journals.

638
0:31:42 --> 0:31:43
They owned the editorial.

639
0:31:43 --> 0:31:46
They bought the media in effect,

640
0:31:46 --> 0:31:47
particularly in this country

641
0:31:47 --> 0:31:50
where there is direct to consumer advertising.

642
0:31:50 --> 0:31:52
That gave them enormous power over the media.

643
0:31:52 --> 0:31:54
And again, over the editorial,

644
0:31:54 --> 0:31:56
what was said and what wasn't said,

645
0:31:56 --> 0:31:58
what was published, what wasn't published.

646
0:31:58 --> 0:32:03
They became essential to politicians getting reelected.

647
0:32:03 --> 0:32:08
And so they could control the political narrative

648
0:32:08 --> 0:32:12
and indeed themselves write policy.

649
0:32:12 --> 0:32:17
They really became extraordinarily powerful

650
0:32:17 --> 0:32:20
through these devices to the point where,

651
0:32:20 --> 0:32:21
and this was a global agenda,

652
0:32:21 --> 0:32:23
not simply confined to the United States,

653
0:32:23 --> 0:32:26
so powerful that it allowed them to do in effect

654
0:32:26 --> 0:32:29
what they have been able to do with COVID vaccine,

655
0:32:29 --> 0:32:34
exploiting the same strategies of fear, of promises,

656
0:32:34 --> 0:32:38
of expectations, of a lot of money,

657
0:32:38 --> 0:32:40
a great deal of money in the right hand.

658
0:32:40 --> 0:32:44
And of course, supported by people like Fauci

659
0:32:44 --> 0:32:48
who are wholehearted advocates of vaccinology.

660
0:32:50 --> 0:32:54
So that film, 1986, The Act,

661
0:32:54 --> 0:32:58
really provides an insight into how this came about,

662
0:32:58 --> 0:33:03
how the pharmaceutical industry became just so powerful.

663
0:33:03 --> 0:33:06
And but, and here's the interesting thing.

664
0:33:06 --> 0:33:08
And I think perhaps on this note,

665
0:33:08 --> 0:33:13
I'll conclude and answer questions to the extent that I can.

666
0:33:13 --> 0:33:16
And that is that when I started out 30 years ago

667
0:33:16 --> 0:33:19
in this field of vaccine safety,

668
0:33:19 --> 0:33:22
there were perhaps a handful of people worldwide

669
0:33:23 --> 0:33:26
who were prepared to talk about this openly in public.

670
0:33:26 --> 0:33:30
And that number is now more than half

671
0:33:30 --> 0:33:33
the world's adult population.

672
0:33:34 --> 0:33:38
And so for those of you who feel that we are losing

673
0:33:38 --> 0:33:42
no, the vaccine industry and public health

674
0:33:42 --> 0:33:45
have been the architects of their own destruction.

675
0:33:45 --> 0:33:49
Their overreach, their greed, their indifference,

676
0:33:49 --> 0:33:54
all of these things have added up to where we are now.

677
0:33:56 --> 0:33:59
But don't be glum, don't be too despondent

678
0:33:59 --> 0:34:01
because we are now the majority.

679
0:34:01 --> 0:34:05
And I was reading the other day that 70% of American adults

680
0:34:05 --> 0:34:08
have either not received the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine

681
0:34:08 --> 0:34:13
or the COVID shot, the second dose or not had the booster.

682
0:34:13 --> 0:34:15
In other words, they're not compliant

683
0:34:15 --> 0:34:16
with the CDC's recommended schedule.

684
0:34:16 --> 0:34:21
So they are in effect anti-vaxxers by the,

685
0:34:21 --> 0:34:23
in the words of the mainstream media.

686
0:34:23 --> 0:34:27
So people are waking up.

687
0:34:27 --> 0:34:30
It has taken an extraordinary series of events

688
0:34:30 --> 0:34:32
for that to happen.

689
0:34:32 --> 0:34:34
Things were very different when there were just a handful

690
0:34:34 --> 0:34:39
of us 30 years ago, but people will come to recognize.

691
0:34:41 --> 0:34:44
I speak to people like Peter McCullough and others.

692
0:34:44 --> 0:34:47
And Peter says when he gets up and talks or did at least,

693
0:34:50 --> 0:34:53
I have concerns about this vaccine, the shot,

694
0:34:54 --> 0:34:57
the childhood vaccine is fine and I'm happy with that.

695
0:34:57 --> 0:35:01
But they've come to, they do not understand the history.

696
0:35:01 --> 0:35:03
And part of my job is to teach them the history

697
0:35:04 --> 0:35:07
that we all came from the same position.

698
0:35:07 --> 0:35:10
I came from having concerns about MMR.

699
0:35:10 --> 0:35:12
Bobby Kennedy came from having concerns

700
0:35:12 --> 0:35:14
about the mercury preservative thimerosol.

701
0:35:14 --> 0:35:17
Chris Exley came from concerns about aluminum.

702
0:35:17 --> 0:35:22
What we all came to understand is that we have no idea

703
0:35:22 --> 0:35:23
what's going on.

704
0:35:23 --> 0:35:26
And as we add these things in, are there quadratic,

705
0:35:26 --> 0:35:30
synergistic interactions that we don't understand?

706
0:35:30 --> 0:35:33
We have made it, it has been made so complicated

707
0:35:33 --> 0:35:35
that it is now impossible to conduct any kind

708
0:35:35 --> 0:35:38
of safety study that gives you the relative safety

709
0:35:38 --> 0:35:42
of a particular vaccine since they're all thrown in together.

710
0:35:42 --> 0:35:46
So we do not understand, but what we do know

711
0:35:46 --> 0:35:49
is that it is incredibly complex

712
0:35:49 --> 0:35:54
and that we have violated the integrity

713
0:35:54 --> 0:35:58
of the body's ability to defend itself, to protect itself

714
0:35:58 --> 0:36:01
and done enormous harm.

715
0:36:01 --> 0:36:05
And when you alter the ecosystem, you do so

716
0:36:05 --> 0:36:07
at a very, very high price.

717
0:36:07 --> 0:36:10
Nature will find a way, life will find a way.

718
0:36:10 --> 0:36:13
There's a wonderful line at the beginning of Jurassic Park,

719
0:36:13 --> 0:36:15
the original Jurassic Park, you may remember

720
0:36:15 --> 0:36:18
when they are in the laboratory and Sam Mendes

721
0:36:18 --> 0:36:19
is looking at an egg hatching and he said,

722
0:36:19 --> 0:36:23
Oh my God, you've bred a velociraptor.

723
0:36:23 --> 0:36:27
And the Asian scientists in the white coat,

724
0:36:27 --> 0:36:30
the man in the white coat, says, Oh, don't worry.

725
0:36:30 --> 0:36:32
They can't reproduce, they're all female.

726
0:36:33 --> 0:36:36
And Sam Goldblum, sorry, Jeff Goldblum steps in

727
0:36:36 --> 0:36:39
as that chaos theory mathematician says,

728
0:36:39 --> 0:36:42
you don't understand, life will find a way

729
0:36:42 --> 0:36:44
and life will find a way.

730
0:36:44 --> 0:36:48
And I do believe that we have an extraordinary capacity

731
0:36:48 --> 0:36:51
to recover, to restore the integrity of mankind,

732
0:36:51 --> 0:36:54
but there is no time to be lost.

733
0:36:54 --> 0:36:56
The damage done, I think this will turn out

734
0:36:56 --> 0:36:58
to be the greatest mistake they ever made

735
0:36:58 --> 0:37:00
on many, many counts.

736
0:37:01 --> 0:37:04
And there's an abundance of evidence that's emerging

737
0:37:04 --> 0:37:05
to suggest that that is the case.

738
0:37:05 --> 0:37:10
But we need to, what you're doing,

739
0:37:13 --> 0:37:15
a group like yours is extremely important,

740
0:37:15 --> 0:37:18
extremely important and it's a growing number.

741
0:37:18 --> 0:37:20
It's a growing number.

742
0:37:20 --> 0:37:25
There are 17,000 similar doctors and scientists

743
0:37:25 --> 0:37:27
as part of just one group in the United States

744
0:37:27 --> 0:37:30
or worldwide who are fighting

745
0:37:30 --> 0:37:31
and that number is growing every day.

746
0:37:31 --> 0:37:34
Sadly, so is the number of people who are killed

747
0:37:34 --> 0:37:38
or injured by these injections.

748
0:37:39 --> 0:37:44
So on that note, which I hope ultimately is not

749
0:37:45 --> 0:37:50
too despondent, I will happily answer questions.

750
0:37:51 --> 0:37:55
Andy, well done, well done, not despondent at all.

751
0:37:55 --> 0:37:59
I've written it down, you know, at the 38 minute mark.

752
0:37:59 --> 0:38:03
We are winning and this group, I assure you,

753
0:38:03 --> 0:38:05
agrees that we'll win.

754
0:38:05 --> 0:38:10
The only question is how many casualties they will be.

755
0:38:10 --> 0:38:13
Traditionally, Andy here, Stephen asked the first questions.

756
0:38:13 --> 0:38:15
We've got 10 hands up, there's no rush.

757
0:38:15 --> 0:38:19
We'd love to have you here as long as you can be here.

758
0:38:19 --> 0:38:22
But Stephen goes first and unpacks the thinking.

759
0:38:22 --> 0:38:24
That's because he started this group

760
0:38:25 --> 0:38:27
and it works well.

761
0:38:27 --> 0:38:28
I'm on the committee of the Australian

762
0:38:28 --> 0:38:32
Vaccination Risk Network and the Vaxxed Bus.

763
0:38:32 --> 0:38:34
Everybody, you all know the movie is called Vaxxed.

764
0:38:34 --> 0:38:36
Well, we've got a bus in Australia

765
0:38:36 --> 0:38:41
with a big Vaxxed, V-A-X-X-E-D across the thing.

766
0:38:41 --> 0:38:46
And what's salutary is Andy was going through that history

767
0:38:46 --> 0:38:50
as Stephen's organizing his questions, Andy,

768
0:38:50 --> 0:38:53
was how you reminded me,

769
0:38:53 --> 0:38:57
and I'm sure all of us, of our learning journey.

770
0:38:57 --> 0:38:59
10 years ago, what I was thinking about vaccines

771
0:38:59 --> 0:39:02
and what many of us were versus now.

772
0:39:02 --> 0:39:07
So it was wonderful to hear that development.

773
0:39:08 --> 0:39:10
I can remember clearly the day when I first heard

774
0:39:10 --> 0:39:15
about the 1986 US Act giving indemnity to big pharma.

775
0:39:16 --> 0:39:19
I thought, wow, who let that through?

776
0:39:19 --> 0:39:23
So anyway, there are lots of questions

777
0:39:23 --> 0:39:24
and lovely to see the hands up.

778
0:39:24 --> 0:39:28
So Stephen Frost, over to you first.

779
0:39:30 --> 0:39:32
Yeah, so Andrew, where are you?

780
0:39:33 --> 0:39:34
He's there.

781
0:39:34 --> 0:39:35
Nice to see you.

782
0:39:35 --> 0:39:37
I'm here, somewhere.

783
0:39:37 --> 0:39:38
Oh, there you are, yes.

784
0:39:38 --> 0:39:39
I'm here.

785
0:39:39 --> 0:39:43
So, well, I think all of us on this group

786
0:39:43 --> 0:39:46
would like to say that we're very sorry

787
0:39:46 --> 0:39:48
about what happened to you,

788
0:39:48 --> 0:39:51
but also very nice that you eventually realized,

789
0:39:51 --> 0:39:54
I know that feeling from my own experience

790
0:39:54 --> 0:39:56
with the Ministry of Defense,

791
0:39:58 --> 0:40:00
nice that you realized in the end

792
0:40:00 --> 0:40:01
that it was not about you,

793
0:40:01 --> 0:40:03
it was about the narrative,

794
0:40:03 --> 0:40:06
their narrative, which they were trying to protect,

795
0:40:06 --> 0:40:08
and you were the threat to it.

796
0:40:09 --> 0:40:11
And so it wasn't personal.

797
0:40:11 --> 0:40:12
I know the feeling though,

798
0:40:12 --> 0:40:14
because that's exactly how I felt with the MOT.

799
0:40:16 --> 0:40:20
And you said about the, you sued them,

800
0:40:20 --> 0:40:23
you were right to sue them, in my opinion,

801
0:40:23 --> 0:40:27
and to allow their narrative to continue

802
0:40:28 --> 0:40:31
was important, as it turns out, for all humanity.

803
0:40:32 --> 0:40:33
But I've written down,

804
0:40:33 --> 0:40:35
but there were so many things that you said today,

805
0:40:35 --> 0:40:39
I wanted to, but there's just too much.

806
0:40:39 --> 0:40:42
But many of us on this call now,

807
0:40:42 --> 0:40:44
who now understand the importance

808
0:40:44 --> 0:40:46
of what you've just transmitted to us,

809
0:40:46 --> 0:40:48
did not understand them.

810
0:40:49 --> 0:40:54
And I think that I speak for all the doctors in this group,

811
0:40:55 --> 0:40:58
who were trying their best for the patients,

812
0:40:58 --> 0:41:01
but they didn't understand what was going on.

813
0:41:01 --> 0:41:05
So this was the backdrop to my training

814
0:41:05 --> 0:41:07
and to many others' training.

815
0:41:07 --> 0:41:10
And the fact that they didn't help you, Andrew,

816
0:41:10 --> 0:41:14
was not because they didn't like you,

817
0:41:15 --> 0:41:16
it was because they didn't know,

818
0:41:16 --> 0:41:18
and they didn't understand.

819
0:41:18 --> 0:41:20
We only understand now,

820
0:41:20 --> 0:41:22
because we've been studying this

821
0:41:22 --> 0:41:24
for a whole year in these meetings,

822
0:41:24 --> 0:41:28
from many sides, not just medicine and science.

823
0:41:28 --> 0:41:32
And so I hope you'll forgive us.

824
0:41:33 --> 0:41:38
And so there are lots of things.

825
0:41:38 --> 0:41:40
I'm absolutely astonished that the BMA

826
0:41:41 --> 0:41:43
continue to write to me,

827
0:41:43 --> 0:41:45
asking me whether I want to rejoin,

828
0:41:45 --> 0:41:47
when I told them when I left,

829
0:41:47 --> 0:41:49
that I was leaving them

830
0:41:49 --> 0:41:54
because they were a bunch of crooks in this situation.

831
0:41:54 --> 0:41:55
And so they continue,

832
0:41:55 --> 0:41:59
and then they have the audacity to lie to their lawyers,

833
0:41:59 --> 0:42:01
to American lawyers representing them.

834
0:42:01 --> 0:42:03
Is that what they did in America?

835
0:42:03 --> 0:42:05
Yes, indeed, yes.

836
0:42:05 --> 0:42:08
And not just a small lie, a massive lie.

837
0:42:08 --> 0:42:13
The whole case was built on a morass of lies.

838
0:42:13 --> 0:42:15
Just extraordinary.

839
0:42:15 --> 0:42:19
And the relevance of your story, Andrew,

840
0:42:19 --> 0:42:21
is just amazing.

841
0:42:21 --> 0:42:24
So swine flu, that was what woke me up.

842
0:42:24 --> 0:42:26
I remembered swine flu.

843
0:42:26 --> 0:42:27
And very early in 2020,

844
0:42:27 --> 0:42:29
I knew exactly what was going on.

845
0:42:29 --> 0:42:30
Well, not the details, of course,

846
0:42:30 --> 0:42:31
I couldn't work it out.

847
0:42:31 --> 0:42:33
It's very confusing.

848
0:42:33 --> 0:42:35
But I knew that there was something terribly wrong,

849
0:42:35 --> 0:42:37
not just for me, but for everyone.

850
0:42:39 --> 0:42:41
And it wasn't just swine flu.

851
0:42:42 --> 0:42:43
It was your story.

852
0:42:43 --> 0:42:46
It was HIV and AIDS.

853
0:42:46 --> 0:42:48
Carey Mullis, you know, his,

854
0:42:48 --> 0:42:50
and the guy he protected,

855
0:42:50 --> 0:42:52
he was a Nobel Prize winner, as you know.

856
0:42:52 --> 0:42:56
And he protected, his name's gone now.

857
0:42:56 --> 0:42:58
Do you remember Peter?

858
0:42:58 --> 0:43:00
Peter?

859
0:43:00 --> 0:43:01
Duesberg.

860
0:43:01 --> 0:43:02
Peter Duesberg?

861
0:43:03 --> 0:43:04
Yes, that's right.

862
0:43:04 --> 0:43:06
Because they went for Peter Duesberg,

863
0:43:06 --> 0:43:07
rather than Carey Mullis.

864
0:43:07 --> 0:43:09
I think they were frightened of Carey Mullis,

865
0:43:09 --> 0:43:11
and they had to kill him in the end in 2019,

866
0:43:11 --> 0:43:14
in my opinion, August 2019.

867
0:43:14 --> 0:43:18
Because otherwise the PCR test could not have gone forward.

868
0:43:18 --> 0:43:21
And that was absolutely essential to what they did.

869
0:43:21 --> 0:43:23
But my question to you, Andrew, is this.

870
0:43:25 --> 0:43:29
You said that they got rid of the liability

871
0:43:29 --> 0:43:31
if there was no fraud,

872
0:43:31 --> 0:43:34
but there was massive fraud in this case.

873
0:43:34 --> 0:43:38
So they haven't got rid of the liability.

874
0:43:38 --> 0:43:43
And how did they think that they would get away with this,

875
0:43:43 --> 0:43:45
even when they'd got away with all the stuff

876
0:43:45 --> 0:43:50
that they had got away with, revaccines, in the past,

877
0:43:50 --> 0:43:53
and not just vaccines, we now have to suspect,

878
0:43:53 --> 0:43:54
all the medications,

879
0:43:54 --> 0:43:56
we have to look at all these medications

880
0:43:56 --> 0:43:59
and all the vaccines to make sure

881
0:43:59 --> 0:44:01
that they're safe and effective.

882
0:44:01 --> 0:44:04
Because I'm, as a medical doctor, I don't believe a word.

883
0:44:04 --> 0:44:07
Any of them say, anything that they say now,

884
0:44:07 --> 0:44:09
and that is their biggest mistake, as you say,

885
0:44:09 --> 0:44:12
in the end, they've been flawed

886
0:44:12 --> 0:44:15
or they will be flawed by their own hubris.

887
0:44:16 --> 0:44:17
You're absolutely right.

888
0:44:17 --> 0:44:20
Firstly, let me say that there's nothing to forgive, please.

889
0:44:20 --> 0:44:22
But thank you very much.

890
0:44:23 --> 0:44:26
It's just part of the human,

891
0:44:26 --> 0:44:27
it's part of our learning process.

892
0:44:27 --> 0:44:31
And it was part of mine and it's part of everybody's.

893
0:44:31 --> 0:44:33
And it's a shame that we've had to learn

894
0:44:33 --> 0:44:35
in quite the way we have.

895
0:44:35 --> 0:44:39
And what you have to understand, sorry.

896
0:44:39 --> 0:44:40
Sorry.

897
0:44:40 --> 0:44:43
What a perfect illustration, Andrew.

898
0:44:43 --> 0:44:46
But you said that you had no doubt, I think,

899
0:44:46 --> 0:44:48
you said that you had to sue.

900
0:44:50 --> 0:44:54
And it just shows that if you don't do these things,

901
0:44:54 --> 0:44:58
if you don't hold people to account at the correct time,

902
0:44:58 --> 0:45:01
they just do it again, only worse next time.

903
0:45:01 --> 0:45:03
You're absolutely right.

904
0:45:03 --> 0:45:07
Accountability is really something that I'm out to achieve

905
0:45:07 --> 0:45:11
in the films I'm making because things that...

906
0:45:11 --> 0:45:14
Firstly, let me talk about the issue of fraud

907
0:45:14 --> 0:45:17
and the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.

908
0:45:17 --> 0:45:21
It will turn out, I'm absolutely certain that within this,

909
0:45:21 --> 0:45:23
and it is turning out that within the context

910
0:45:23 --> 0:45:28
of the COVID narrative, there has been extraordinary fraud.

911
0:45:29 --> 0:45:30
But understand the mindset

912
0:45:30 --> 0:45:34
of the pharmaceutical industry executive.

913
0:45:34 --> 0:45:34
They don't care.

914
0:45:36 --> 0:45:39
They operate on the basis that they want to make

915
0:45:39 --> 0:45:43
as much money in a shorter space of time as possible.

916
0:45:43 --> 0:45:45
They get their bonus and they move on.

917
0:45:45 --> 0:45:48
They're not actually interested in the longevity of Merck

918
0:45:48 --> 0:45:52
or of Pfizer or of any of these other companies.

919
0:45:52 --> 0:45:57
They are interested in making their money and getting out.

920
0:45:57 --> 0:46:01
If down the road, the company faces massive

921
0:46:01 --> 0:46:04
billion dollar litigation, they don't care

922
0:46:04 --> 0:46:05
because they're already out.

923
0:46:05 --> 0:46:09
And so I think Moderna have already yielded

924
0:46:09 --> 0:46:13
five COVID shot billionaires.

925
0:46:13 --> 0:46:16
That's really what drives this whole process.

926
0:46:16 --> 0:46:21
So it's not about the company's survival.

927
0:46:21 --> 0:46:22
They don't care about that.

928
0:46:22 --> 0:46:24
They want to make as much money as possible.

929
0:46:24 --> 0:46:28
So the fraud, the emergence of the fact that there was fraud

930
0:46:28 --> 0:46:31
and the company paying a huge price down the line,

931
0:46:31 --> 0:46:33
that's not their concern.

932
0:46:33 --> 0:46:36
And so then we come to the issue of accountability.

933
0:46:39 --> 0:46:44
William Thompson from the CDC, senior scientist,

934
0:46:44 --> 0:46:47
I went to the CDC when they were still talking to me

935
0:46:47 --> 0:46:51
and they said, look, every child gets MMR.

936
0:46:52 --> 0:46:55
Why doesn't every child develop autism?

937
0:46:55 --> 0:46:55
We don't understand.

938
0:46:55 --> 0:46:57
Well, we know in medicine that you can smoke

939
0:46:57 --> 0:46:59
and not develop lung cancer.

940
0:46:59 --> 0:47:00
That's just a given.

941
0:47:00 --> 0:47:04
We don't know the precise reasons why.

942
0:47:04 --> 0:47:05
Is it a dose response?

943
0:47:05 --> 0:47:06
Is it genetic?

944
0:47:06 --> 0:47:07
Is it a combination of many things?

945
0:47:07 --> 0:47:08
Yes.

946
0:47:08 --> 0:47:11
And so I said, well, one of the things

947
0:47:11 --> 0:47:14
that we believe is important is the age of exposure.

948
0:47:14 --> 0:47:17
The younger you get the MMR, the greater the risk

949
0:47:17 --> 0:47:18
of developing autism.

950
0:47:18 --> 0:47:22
We say that because we know that natural exposure

951
0:47:22 --> 0:47:25
to measles under the age of one carries a much higher risk

952
0:47:25 --> 0:47:28
of an adverse outcome than over the age of one.

953
0:47:28 --> 0:47:30
There is an age-related phenomenon.

954
0:47:30 --> 0:47:32
And now with COVID, we are fully aware

955
0:47:32 --> 0:47:37
of this age-related outcome.

956
0:47:37 --> 0:47:41
So they tested that hypothesis in the Atlanta metro area

957
0:47:41 --> 0:47:44
and they found it to be absolutely true.

958
0:47:44 --> 0:47:45
They found it was correct.

959
0:47:45 --> 0:47:47
The younger you got the vaccine, the greater the risk.

960
0:47:47 --> 0:47:51
They spent the next 14 years destroying the documents

961
0:47:51 --> 0:47:53
and covering up the data.

962
0:47:53 --> 0:47:55
William Thompson, the senior scientist

963
0:47:55 --> 0:47:58
who designed the study, collected the data,

964
0:47:58 --> 0:48:00
and analyzed it and wrote the paper,

965
0:48:00 --> 0:48:05
came forward and said, I can't live with this any longer.

966
0:48:05 --> 0:48:08
Here is all of the evidence that I kept.

967
0:48:08 --> 0:48:12
And we were able to make the movie Vax on that basis, which

968
0:48:12 --> 0:48:15
shows beyond a shadow of a doubt the link,

969
0:48:15 --> 0:48:18
the causal association between MMR and autism.

970
0:48:18 --> 0:48:20
But of course, it was completely buried because there

971
0:48:20 --> 0:48:22
was no accountability.

972
0:48:22 --> 0:48:24
We went to the Oversight Committee on Government Reform

973
0:48:24 --> 0:48:28
at the US Congress and we said, your job

974
0:48:28 --> 0:48:31
is to deal with such instances of fraud

975
0:48:31 --> 0:48:33
in the federal agencies.

976
0:48:33 --> 0:48:33
This is your job.

977
0:48:33 --> 0:48:35
You must do it.

978
0:48:35 --> 0:48:37
They wouldn't touch it.

979
0:48:37 --> 0:48:41
They did not want to go anywhere near it because, well,

980
0:48:41 --> 0:48:42
that's a question for them as to why.

981
0:48:42 --> 0:48:46
But I suspect that their campaign funds were highly

982
0:48:46 --> 0:48:49
dependent upon the income from pharmaceutical companies,

983
0:48:49 --> 0:48:51
amongst other things.

984
0:48:51 --> 0:48:53
Also, they were threatened with the idea that, well,

985
0:48:53 --> 0:48:58
if you undermine confidence in public health authorities,

986
0:48:58 --> 0:49:01
parents won't vaccinate their children and children will die

987
0:49:01 --> 0:49:02
and it will be your fault.

988
0:49:02 --> 0:49:05
That same argument was thrown at them again,

989
0:49:05 --> 0:49:10
as was thrown at them with the liability protection issue.

990
0:49:10 --> 0:49:14
So there was no accountability.

991
0:49:14 --> 0:49:19
There was quite clearly fraud and there was no accountability.

992
0:49:19 --> 0:49:21
And so it continued.

993
0:49:21 --> 0:49:23
Not only did it continue, they were

994
0:49:23 --> 0:49:26
incentivized to continue behaving in that way

995
0:49:26 --> 0:49:28
by getting their pensions being paid off,

996
0:49:28 --> 0:49:31
by simply keeping their jobs at the CDC

997
0:49:31 --> 0:49:34
and then receiving a big pension at the end of it.

998
0:49:34 --> 0:49:38
So my filmmaking now is about accountability,

999
0:49:38 --> 0:49:40
whatever the risk that brings.

1000
0:49:40 --> 0:49:45
To me personally, it's about naming names and shaming people

1001
0:49:45 --> 0:49:48
because without that, there is no disincentive

1002
0:49:48 --> 0:49:49
to this kind of behavior.

1003
0:49:49 --> 0:49:52
And people need to go to prison, not least

1004
0:49:52 --> 0:49:54
to which some of the many of the people

1005
0:49:54 --> 0:49:58
have been involved in the COVID issue.

1006
0:49:58 --> 0:50:01
I absolutely agree.

1007
0:50:01 --> 0:50:03
I could go on, but there are 16 hands up.

1008
0:50:03 --> 0:50:06
So Charles?

1009
0:50:06 --> 0:50:07
Yes, thank you.

1010
0:50:08 --> 0:50:10
Thank you, Stephen.

1011
0:50:10 --> 0:50:14
And publicly, John Stone, thank you for enabling Andy

1012
0:50:14 --> 0:50:15
to be here today.

1013
0:50:15 --> 0:50:16
John, well done.

1014
0:50:16 --> 0:50:18
Yes, thank you, John.

1015
0:50:18 --> 0:50:19
So here we go.

1016
0:50:19 --> 0:50:21
Here we go, Andy.

1017
0:50:21 --> 0:50:23
And we've got 16 hands up.

1018
0:50:23 --> 0:50:25
I'm looking forward to this conversation.

1019
0:50:25 --> 0:50:28
It's up to you how long you spend answering each question.

1020
0:50:28 --> 0:50:31
And I'm sure there'll be more, but it's great that you can.

1021
0:50:31 --> 0:50:35
Mark Sexton is first and he is a retired police

1022
0:50:35 --> 0:50:36
officer from the UK.

1023
0:50:36 --> 0:50:38
Thank you very much, Charles.

1024
0:50:38 --> 0:50:41
And good evening to you and Stephen and Dr. Andrew

1025
0:50:41 --> 0:50:41
Wakefield.

1026
0:50:41 --> 0:50:45
It's an absolute pleasure to meet your acquaintance.

1027
0:50:45 --> 0:50:47
What I'm going to do is I'm not going to ask you a question.

1028
0:50:47 --> 0:50:50
I'm just going to spend about a minute going over

1029
0:50:50 --> 0:50:55
what happened to my own child as a result of the MMR vaccine.

1030
0:50:55 --> 0:50:58
And it was because of you and a few of the doctors,

1031
0:50:58 --> 0:51:00
and thank you for what you did.

1032
0:51:00 --> 0:51:02
And well done for bouncing back the way you have,

1033
0:51:02 --> 0:51:04
fully deserved.

1034
0:51:04 --> 0:51:07
My daughter, she was very unlucky when she had the MMR.

1035
0:51:07 --> 0:51:10
Within five years of that, back in the early 2000s,

1036
0:51:10 --> 0:51:14
she contracted a very nasty meningitis,

1037
0:51:14 --> 0:51:16
hospitalized for 10 days.

1038
0:51:16 --> 0:51:21
She had really bad bowel issues, very inflamed, ex-mat, asthma,

1039
0:51:21 --> 0:51:23
and she had behavioral issues.

1040
0:51:23 --> 0:51:26
And I started to do my own research.

1041
0:51:26 --> 0:51:28
I was aware of you at the time and what happened

1042
0:51:28 --> 0:51:31
because my ex-wife was a nurse, a pediatrician,

1043
0:51:31 --> 0:51:35
and I started to do my own investigations and research

1044
0:51:35 --> 0:51:38
and realized she hit the double whammy there,

1045
0:51:38 --> 0:51:41
and she got all five of the very serious side effects

1046
0:51:41 --> 0:51:43
as a result of the MMR.

1047
0:51:43 --> 0:51:46
And I started to realize that these things were dangerous

1048
0:51:46 --> 0:51:48
and they weren't what they were telling us.

1049
0:51:48 --> 0:51:51
And I approached my own GP because of my daughter's

1050
0:51:51 --> 0:51:55
many problems and issues and realized that these things

1051
0:51:55 --> 0:51:57
were so dangerous.

1052
0:51:57 --> 0:52:00
And I started to realize that these things were dangerous.

1053
0:52:00 --> 0:52:03
And I started to actually become quite vocal

1054
0:52:03 --> 0:52:06
amongst my own family and friends in advising them

1055
0:52:06 --> 0:52:08
if their partners were pregnant or their babies were young,

1056
0:52:08 --> 0:52:10
do not take these vaccines.

1057
0:52:10 --> 0:52:14
And I gave them this anecdotal evidence that I had myself

1058
0:52:14 --> 0:52:15
and my own experience.

1059
0:52:15 --> 0:52:18
And it was because of you, and this is a personal thank you

1060
0:52:18 --> 0:52:21
to you, I've always wanted to meet you and speak to you.

1061
0:52:21 --> 0:52:23
You are a hero.

1062
0:52:23 --> 0:52:27
And those people who did vilify you back in the late 90s

1063
0:52:27 --> 0:52:32
and early 2000s, they've got some serious egg on their face.

1064
0:52:32 --> 0:52:35
So from me to you, thank you.

1065
0:52:35 --> 0:52:37
God bless you and well done for what you've done

1066
0:52:37 --> 0:52:40
and well done for bouncing back the way you have.

1067
0:52:40 --> 0:52:42
I've watched all of your films, they're outstanding.

1068
0:52:42 --> 0:52:44
Keep going and thank you.

1069
0:52:44 --> 0:52:46
Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart.

1070
0:52:46 --> 0:52:50
Just to let you know, my daughter is now mid-20s,

1071
0:52:50 --> 0:52:53
a very successful businesswoman.

1072
0:52:54 --> 0:52:58
Her symptoms are limited because we managed to help her

1073
0:52:58 --> 0:53:01
with diet, exercise and the likes.

1074
0:53:01 --> 0:53:05
And she is a wonderful, beautiful human being

1075
0:53:05 --> 0:53:06
doing very well in life.

1076
0:53:06 --> 0:53:07
Thank you very much.

1077
0:53:07 --> 0:53:09
So God bless you.

1078
0:53:09 --> 0:53:10
I'm absolutely delighted.

1079
0:53:10 --> 0:53:10
Thank you so much.

1080
0:53:12 --> 0:53:13
Beautifully said, Mark.

1081
0:53:13 --> 0:53:14
Thank you.

1082
0:53:14 --> 0:53:16
Thank you.

1083
0:53:16 --> 0:53:16
Cordelia.

1084
0:53:19 --> 0:53:20
Hi, yeah.

1085
0:53:20 --> 0:53:24
I've just got two little questions about the BMJ because-

1086
0:53:24 --> 0:53:28
Cordelia, can you tell Dr. Wakefield

1087
0:53:28 --> 0:53:30
that you're a doctor and a pathologist actually?

1088
0:53:30 --> 0:53:32
Yeah, I'm a histopathologist

1089
0:53:32 --> 0:53:36
and I followed your story in the BMJ with great interest

1090
0:53:36 --> 0:53:40
because at the time, the BMJ claimed that you were looking

1091
0:53:40 --> 0:53:43
at colon biopsies yourself,

1092
0:53:43 --> 0:53:46
not having a histopathologist involved

1093
0:53:46 --> 0:53:48
and claiming that there is colitis

1094
0:53:48 --> 0:53:53
when in fact the inflammatory cells

1095
0:53:53 --> 0:53:55
in the large bowel mucosa

1096
0:53:57 --> 0:53:59
as part of the lymphoid system.

1097
0:53:59 --> 0:54:02
So they said you overreported this,

1098
0:54:02 --> 0:54:03
but at the beginning of your talk,

1099
0:54:03 --> 0:54:06
you said you did have a histopathologist involved.

1100
0:54:06 --> 0:54:11
So was that just one of many lies from the BMJ?

1101
0:54:12 --> 0:54:15
Just wondering what your view on that is.

1102
0:54:15 --> 0:54:17
Thank you very much for raising that.

1103
0:54:17 --> 0:54:20
Yeah, see, all of the biopsies were reviewed

1104
0:54:20 --> 0:54:23
by an expert histopathologist, Dr. Paul Dillon.

1105
0:54:23 --> 0:54:27
You may know him and he was on the paper.

1106
0:54:27 --> 0:54:30
I had nothing whatsoever to do with reporting

1107
0:54:30 --> 0:54:33
any of the findings of histopathology

1108
0:54:33 --> 0:54:37
in that paper at all or indeed in any child.

1109
0:54:37 --> 0:54:39
I was not qualified to do that.

1110
0:54:39 --> 0:54:42
I was a surgeon and I took no part in that

1111
0:54:42 --> 0:54:46
other than to join in the pathology meetings

1112
0:54:46 --> 0:54:49
that we would hold every Friday

1113
0:54:49 --> 0:54:52
to review the biopsies from all children

1114
0:54:52 --> 0:54:53
who had been investigated.

1115
0:54:53 --> 0:54:56
So the one thing that I did do was to make sure

1116
0:54:56 --> 0:55:00
that Paul Dillon had available to him

1117
0:55:00 --> 0:55:05
in a blinded fashion biopsies from 10 normal colonic biopsies

1118
0:55:06 --> 0:55:08
from age-matched children

1119
0:55:08 --> 0:55:11
to give a blinded comparison of the two.

1120
0:55:11 --> 0:55:14
And that demonstrated beyond a shadow of a doubt

1121
0:55:14 --> 0:55:17
that there was inflammation.

1122
0:55:17 --> 0:55:20
We went beyond that and we then went into great detail

1123
0:55:20 --> 0:55:22
to using immunohistochemistry,

1124
0:55:22 --> 0:55:27
immunosidochemistry, immunofluorescence flow cytometry

1125
0:55:30 --> 0:55:33
to characterize, actually quantify the numbers

1126
0:55:33 --> 0:55:35
of inflammatory cells in the bowel,

1127
0:55:35 --> 0:55:40
various types, CD4, CD8, gamma delta T cells, et cetera,

1128
0:55:40 --> 0:55:43
and to look at cytokine profiles.

1129
0:55:43 --> 0:55:44
And doing that, and we published, I think,

1130
0:55:44 --> 0:55:47
about 15, 16 papers on this,

1131
0:55:47 --> 0:55:48
showing beyond a shadow of a doubt

1132
0:55:48 --> 0:55:51
that there was not only histological evidence

1133
0:55:51 --> 0:55:55
of inflammation, but there was immunohistochemical evidence

1134
0:55:55 --> 0:55:58
of increased T cell subsets, for example,

1135
0:55:58 --> 0:56:03
gamma delta T cells, and there was a marked increase,

1136
0:56:03 --> 0:56:06
elevation of tumor necrosis factor alpha

1137
0:56:06 --> 0:56:08
being produced by these cells.

1138
0:56:08 --> 0:56:13
So, yeah, so that's a long way of answering your question,

1139
0:56:14 --> 0:56:17
but I'm sure you'll appreciate the detail,

1140
0:56:17 --> 0:56:20
but no, that was a frank lie.

1141
0:56:20 --> 0:56:21
I had no role whatsoever.

1142
0:56:21 --> 0:56:24
So, but at the time, the BMJ was quite critical

1143
0:56:24 --> 0:56:26
of the pharmaceutical industry.

1144
0:56:26 --> 0:56:29
So why would they do, what was their motivation

1145
0:56:29 --> 0:56:32
to do this to you, to portray you as a fraud?

1146
0:56:33 --> 0:56:36
Well, I think that is probably a question for them.

1147
0:56:36 --> 0:56:40
I've asked myself that many times, and I don't know.

1148
0:56:40 --> 0:56:41
I mean-

1149
0:56:41 --> 0:56:44
Cordelia, that's what's known as a limited hangout.

1150
0:56:46 --> 0:56:49
And the other thing is, when I started in pathology,

1151
0:56:49 --> 0:56:52
Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis was quite rare.

1152
0:56:52 --> 0:56:55
And now we've got an explosion of biopsies

1153
0:56:55 --> 0:56:57
for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.

1154
0:56:57 --> 0:57:02
It's not quadrupled, it's 10 times the biopsies we get

1155
0:57:02 --> 0:57:04
for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.

1156
0:57:04 --> 0:57:06
And nobody's questioning it.

1157
0:57:06 --> 0:57:08
And they're treating these patients

1158
0:57:08 --> 0:57:12
with really expensive antibodies to tumor necrosis factor

1159
0:57:12 --> 0:57:14
that costs a thousand pounds a month.

1160
0:57:14 --> 0:57:16
And nobody's ever talking about this

1161
0:57:16 --> 0:57:18
or nutrition or anything else.

1162
0:57:18 --> 0:57:21
And it's just astounding that the whole system

1163
0:57:21 --> 0:57:26
is just based on treatment and not on looking at the causes.

1164
0:57:26 --> 0:57:28
Well, it's a very good point you raise.

1165
0:57:28 --> 0:57:30
I got into this and the parents started calling me

1166
0:57:30 --> 0:57:32
about their autistic children,

1167
0:57:32 --> 0:57:37
because we'd done a lot of research showing

1168
0:57:38 --> 0:57:41
that I became interested in the possible role

1169
0:57:41 --> 0:57:43
of measles virus, natural measles,

1170
0:57:43 --> 0:57:46
in causing inflammatory bowel disease.

1171
0:57:46 --> 0:57:49
And our interest, the interest of my group

1172
0:57:49 --> 0:57:51
was atypical patterns of exposure.

1173
0:57:51 --> 0:57:52
Let me give you an example.

1174
0:57:52 --> 0:57:56
We did a study with Uppsala University in Sweden

1175
0:57:56 --> 0:58:00
showing that mothers who'd experienced measles infection,

1176
0:58:00 --> 0:58:03
overt measles infection during pregnancy

1177
0:58:03 --> 0:58:07
gave birth to children who later in life

1178
0:58:07 --> 0:58:09
had severe Crohn's disease.

1179
0:58:09 --> 0:58:13
And it was something like the odds were about 6 million to one

1180
0:58:13 --> 0:58:15
that this was a chance finding.

1181
0:58:15 --> 0:58:18
It was so unusual to have measles during pregnancy

1182
0:58:18 --> 0:58:23
because invariably most people had had it as a child.

1183
0:58:23 --> 0:58:26
And there were four cases in central Sweden

1184
0:58:26 --> 0:58:28
during the 10 year part-time period we looked at.

1185
0:58:28 --> 0:58:32
Four of those children developed severe Crohn's disease.

1186
0:58:32 --> 0:58:34
So this was an extraordinary finding.

1187
0:58:34 --> 0:58:37
And so we went on to ask the question,

1188
0:58:37 --> 0:58:41
well, is single measles vaccine an atypical pattern

1189
0:58:41 --> 0:58:43
of exposure that increases the risk?

1190
0:58:43 --> 0:58:46
We published a paper in the Lancet,

1191
0:58:46 --> 0:58:51
a cohort study using the British childhood,

1192
0:58:51 --> 0:58:55
the BCS 70, British childhood study 1970,

1193
0:58:55 --> 0:58:57
following all children born in one week of one year,

1194
0:58:57 --> 0:59:01
we showed a six fold increase risk of Crohn's

1195
0:59:01 --> 0:59:06
if you had measles vaccine compared with natural measles.

1196
0:59:06 --> 0:59:09
And so this was already, you know,

1197
0:59:09 --> 0:59:11
the idea that this was something environmental,

1198
0:59:11 --> 0:59:14
that it was infectious and that it may be

1199
0:59:14 --> 0:59:15
an atypical pattern of exposure

1200
0:59:15 --> 0:59:20
to a common pathogen like measles was already on the cards.

1201
0:59:21 --> 0:59:23
And I think this is why people don't want to look at it now

1202
0:59:23 --> 0:59:25
in terms of what is causing this,

1203
0:59:25 --> 0:59:30
because it takes the lid off that very, very, very

1204
0:59:31 --> 0:59:33
uncomfortable and precarious possibility

1205
0:59:33 --> 0:59:35
that this may be causing it.

1206
0:59:35 --> 0:59:38
The Mayo Clinic did a follow-up study and confirmed

1207
0:59:38 --> 0:59:42
that it was the same association, younger age of exposure.

1208
0:59:42 --> 0:59:43
So there was something there,

1209
0:59:43 --> 0:59:47
but the whole research program was killed, dead.

1210
0:59:47 --> 0:59:49
And nobody ever wanted to go back and look at it again

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0:59:49 --> 0:59:53
because of the implications for their careers.

1212
0:59:53 --> 0:59:55
Hmm. Thank you.

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0:59:56 --> 0:59:58
Thank you, Cordelia.

1214
0:59:58 --> 1:00:00
Lovely to have listened to experts

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1:00:00 --> 1:00:02
talking about expert stuff.

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1:00:02 --> 1:00:05
Gary Finkelstein, before we get to you,

1217
1:00:05 --> 1:00:07
Ryan has got an issue.

1218
1:00:07 --> 1:00:09
He's got to be quick and he has to go.

1219
1:00:09 --> 1:00:12
Ryan Penn from Take Action Canada.

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1:00:12 --> 1:00:13
Go, Ryan.

1221
1:00:14 --> 1:00:15
Hello, Dr. Wakefield.

1222
1:00:15 --> 1:00:17
I just wanted to thank you.

1223
1:00:17 --> 1:00:21
Fortunately, in the 1980s,

1224
1:00:21 --> 1:00:24
I was fortunate to hear a lecture by G. Edward Griffin

1225
1:00:24 --> 1:00:26
about the politics of cancer therapy,

1226
1:00:26 --> 1:00:29
which I put in the chat, which outlines the why

1227
1:00:29 --> 1:00:33
that Cordelia asked and the why that many people will ask

1228
1:00:33 --> 1:00:37
because it's a business and because they have no conscious.

1229
1:00:37 --> 1:00:39
So no conscience.

1230
1:00:39 --> 1:00:39
So it's very easy.

1231
1:00:39 --> 1:00:43
There's also a book put out by a French Canadian doctor,

1232
1:00:43 --> 1:00:46
which I put in the chat called the Medical Mafia.

1233
1:00:46 --> 1:00:49
And that outlines exactly how the system works

1234
1:00:49 --> 1:00:51
and how the tentacles of the system,

1235
1:00:51 --> 1:00:54
whether it's the British Medical Journal

1236
1:00:54 --> 1:00:58
or the World Health Organization or the UN

1237
1:00:58 --> 1:01:01
or whatever it is that the tentacles work together.

1238
1:01:01 --> 1:01:04
So I wanted to thank you because of your work, Dr. Wakefield,

1239
1:01:04 --> 1:01:08
that I decided not to vaccinate my children for anything.

1240
1:01:08 --> 1:01:11
And they are 20 and 22 years old

1241
1:01:11 --> 1:01:14
with have had no health issues at all.

1242
1:01:14 --> 1:01:15
So I wanted to thank you.

1243
1:01:15 --> 1:01:17
And it's partially because of that

1244
1:01:17 --> 1:01:19
that I helped found Take Action Canada

1245
1:01:20 --> 1:01:24
a couple of years ago to deal with the COVID scam

1246
1:01:24 --> 1:01:28
or scandemic as we like to call it.

1247
1:01:28 --> 1:01:31
And I just want to let you know that we've launched

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1:01:31 --> 1:01:33
a campaign to the rest of the group called

1249
1:01:33 --> 1:01:35
Justice for the Vaccinated,

1250
1:01:35 --> 1:01:39
which is what we call activism, a keto,

1251
1:01:39 --> 1:01:41
where we actually turn it around

1252
1:01:41 --> 1:01:44
because we've all been talking about what about my rights?

1253
1:01:44 --> 1:01:45
What about my needs?

1254
1:01:45 --> 1:01:46
What about my family?

1255
1:01:46 --> 1:01:48
What about my community?

1256
1:01:48 --> 1:01:49
And we talk about all the people

1257
1:01:49 --> 1:01:51
that have taken this vaccine

1258
1:01:51 --> 1:01:54
through coercion, misinformation or other means

1259
1:01:54 --> 1:01:56
and the justice for the vaccinated,

1260
1:01:56 --> 1:01:57
which I'll put in there,

1261
1:01:57 --> 1:02:00
is a means for people to understand what has happened

1262
1:02:00 --> 1:02:04
and the degree of fraud that's happened.

1263
1:02:04 --> 1:02:06
So I want to thank you for your work.

1264
1:02:06 --> 1:02:08
The sacrifice has been greater

1265
1:02:08 --> 1:02:10
than most people can understand

1266
1:02:10 --> 1:02:11
in terms of the personal attacks.

1267
1:02:11 --> 1:02:13
And I've been following you for a number of years.

1268
1:02:13 --> 1:02:16
And I really want to appreciate you

1269
1:02:16 --> 1:02:18
and your commitment to what you've done.

1270
1:02:18 --> 1:02:20
So thank you very much.

1271
1:02:20 --> 1:02:22
Thank you very much indeed.

1272
1:02:22 --> 1:02:23
I should say just out of interest,

1273
1:02:23 --> 1:02:25
great deal of affection for Canada.

1274
1:02:25 --> 1:02:28
This work started when I was actually studying

1275
1:02:28 --> 1:02:30
small intestinal transplantation

1276
1:02:30 --> 1:02:33
as a transplant surgeon at Toronto General Hospital

1277
1:02:33 --> 1:02:36
and the University of Toronto.

1278
1:02:36 --> 1:02:39
So great affection for Canada

1279
1:02:39 --> 1:02:43
and deeply troubled by what you're going through there.

1280
1:02:43 --> 1:02:44
Thank you.

1281
1:02:44 --> 1:02:46
Yeah, we're all so deeply troubled.

1282
1:02:46 --> 1:02:48
And so we're on the front lines

1283
1:02:49 --> 1:02:50
as you saw the truckers revolt.

1284
1:02:50 --> 1:02:54
It's now turned into the farmers revolt in the Netherlands

1285
1:02:54 --> 1:02:57
and will soon turn into a worldwide revolt

1286
1:02:57 --> 1:03:01
where the 99% of us that, or 99.9% of us

1287
1:03:01 --> 1:03:04
that aren't pulling the strings and defrauding people

1288
1:03:04 --> 1:03:08
will take back control and you're 100% part of that solution.

1289
1:03:08 --> 1:03:10
So thanks again.

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1:03:10 --> 1:03:12
Put the links on the chat.

1291
1:03:12 --> 1:03:14
Please remember to save all the links

1292
1:03:14 --> 1:03:17
and save the chat after the call.

1293
1:03:17 --> 1:03:18
Thanks Charles for organizing.

1294
1:03:18 --> 1:03:20
Ryan, can I ask you to email me?

1295
1:03:22 --> 1:03:23
Yes, Stephen, if you wanna put,

1296
1:03:23 --> 1:03:27
I'll put my email in the chat and you can send me an email

1297
1:03:27 --> 1:03:29
and I'll answer for sure.

1298
1:03:29 --> 1:03:30
Okay, thank you.

1299
1:03:30 --> 1:03:32
Yep, we're all gonna, just put your email, Ryan.

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1:03:32 --> 1:03:33
Thank you, thank you for that.

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1:03:33 --> 1:03:35
Thank you for being efficient, Gary.

1302
1:03:35 --> 1:03:37
So Ryan, well done on your work.

1303
1:03:37 --> 1:03:41
And Andy, this is a beautiful example to all of us,

1304
1:03:41 --> 1:03:44
what the impact that each one of you are having

1305
1:03:44 --> 1:03:46
and can have and you never know.

1306
1:03:46 --> 1:03:47
And Andy, you didn't realize this impact

1307
1:03:47 --> 1:03:49
that you had on Ryan Penn, did you?

1308
1:03:49 --> 1:03:53
22 years down the track, but Mark Sexton,

1309
1:03:53 --> 1:03:54
and all of this stuff.

1310
1:03:54 --> 1:03:57
So welcome to your life.

1311
1:03:57 --> 1:03:59
We should make a movie of this.

1312
1:03:59 --> 1:04:00
Andy, this is your life.

1313
1:04:00 --> 1:04:05
Gary Finkelstein, who is from the UK and a,

1314
1:04:05 --> 1:04:09
guys, I'm not, a actuary, correct?

1315
1:04:09 --> 1:04:09
Yeah, that's right.

1316
1:04:11 --> 1:04:13
Yeah, that's right, I'm an actuary and a statistician.

1317
1:04:13 --> 1:04:16
So I'm sitting in a dark balcony in Portugal

1318
1:04:16 --> 1:04:20
at the moment, so sorry if you can't see me.

1319
1:04:21 --> 1:04:25
So Andy, yeah, I look like everybody else before me.

1320
1:04:26 --> 1:04:28
Well done.

1321
1:04:28 --> 1:04:30
You know, you're right when you say,

1322
1:04:30 --> 1:04:33
it's not about ourselves, there is a bigger picture,

1323
1:04:33 --> 1:04:34
but it is also about you.

1324
1:04:34 --> 1:04:38
And some of us do care.

1325
1:04:38 --> 1:04:41
And let me just say upfront, you know,

1326
1:04:42 --> 1:04:46
I found it hard to follow what was going on at the time,

1327
1:04:46 --> 1:04:47
always a bit skeptical.

1328
1:04:49 --> 1:04:50
I am an actuary and a statistician.

1329
1:04:50 --> 1:04:53
If you need an actuary or statistician to,

1330
1:04:54 --> 1:04:57
if I can help in any way to make,

1331
1:04:57 --> 1:05:01
help make a case that things are clear, you know,

1332
1:05:01 --> 1:05:02
and sometimes it is about statistics.

1333
1:05:02 --> 1:05:05
It's not that having a vaccine will guarantee

1334
1:05:05 --> 1:05:07
that somebody will get ill.

1335
1:05:07 --> 1:05:10
It's really about the risks and the odds being greater

1336
1:05:10 --> 1:05:11
than if you didn't.

1337
1:05:13 --> 1:05:16
I'm there to help if ever you need help for that skill set.

1338
1:05:17 --> 1:05:22
Like you, I come from a family of doctors and physicians

1339
1:05:22 --> 1:05:26
and cardiologists and you name it, all sorts of specialists.

1340
1:05:26 --> 1:05:30
I'm curious if your own children have continued

1341
1:05:30 --> 1:05:31
your family tradition.

1342
1:05:31 --> 1:05:33
That's just a matter of curiosity.

1343
1:05:33 --> 1:05:34
That's all there is to it.

1344
1:05:35 --> 1:05:37
I was gonna ask a few other questions,

1345
1:05:37 --> 1:05:40
but you know, some of those questions have been answered,

1346
1:05:40 --> 1:05:41
especially your comment.

1347
1:05:41 --> 1:05:44
I was gonna ask you when you said your paper at the time,

1348
1:05:46 --> 1:05:47
you know, argued for further work,

1349
1:05:47 --> 1:05:50
but I think you answered it later when,

1350
1:05:51 --> 1:05:56
the point being it's really about privacy and risk signals.

1351
1:05:56 --> 1:06:00
And yeah, the cancel culture has become, you know,

1352
1:06:00 --> 1:06:03
I was very suspicious back then.

1353
1:06:03 --> 1:06:06
It's become very obvious now.

1354
1:06:06 --> 1:06:09
So I guess there's a lot of people coming out

1355
1:06:09 --> 1:06:12
of the woodwork who are willing to be friendly,

1356
1:06:12 --> 1:06:16
but you know, good for you,

1357
1:06:16 --> 1:06:18
good on you as they say in Australia.

1358
1:06:18 --> 1:06:19
Thank you very much.

1359
1:06:19 --> 1:06:21
Let me not ramble, I know there's a lot of people.

1360
1:06:22 --> 1:06:25
My own children have not gone into medicine.

1361
1:06:26 --> 1:06:28
After looking at what happened to me,

1362
1:06:28 --> 1:06:30
they didn't think that was a wise career choice.

1363
1:06:31 --> 1:06:36
Many of my brothers and my cousins, nephews,

1364
1:06:37 --> 1:06:39
they're all in the medical profession,

1365
1:06:40 --> 1:06:43
but my children have been remarkably supportive

1366
1:06:43 --> 1:06:47
and remain healthy and not having been vaccinated,

1367
1:06:47 --> 1:06:50
at least since their very first shots

1368
1:06:50 --> 1:06:51
when we didn't have this information,

1369
1:06:51 --> 1:06:56
but they remain well and my grandchildren are well as well.

1370
1:06:57 --> 1:06:57
That's great.

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1:06:57 --> 1:07:00
Look, and please, if you want a statistician

1372
1:07:00 --> 1:07:04
or an actuary ever, you know, Stephen will help you find me.

1373
1:07:04 --> 1:07:05
There's a group of doctors-

1374
1:07:05 --> 1:07:08
Yes, Gary, could you email me and I'll-

1375
1:07:08 --> 1:07:10
I'll put you in contact.

1376
1:07:10 --> 1:07:13
Yeah, there's a group of doctors in Recife, Brazil

1377
1:07:13 --> 1:07:15
that I helped them put together a dossier

1378
1:07:15 --> 1:07:18
when hydroxychloroquine was gonna get outlawed

1379
1:07:18 --> 1:07:21
and that I'm told was very helpful

1380
1:07:21 --> 1:07:25
and that decision got reversed within two weeks.

1381
1:07:25 --> 1:07:26
Wonderful, wonderful.

1382
1:07:26 --> 1:07:28
Well done, thank you.

1383
1:07:28 --> 1:07:30
Gary, great work, great work.

1384
1:07:30 --> 1:07:34
And you know, that offer, Andy, please note,

1385
1:07:34 --> 1:07:38
and all of us note, if we need a statistician, analyst,

1386
1:07:38 --> 1:07:41
Gary could be a wonderful resource for us.

1387
1:07:41 --> 1:07:42
Thank you, Gary.

1388
1:07:44 --> 1:07:47
Next is Peter Huger from Wales,

1389
1:07:47 --> 1:07:49
a lawyer, ex-police officer,

1390
1:07:49 --> 1:07:52
and general troublemaker here, Andy.

1391
1:07:53 --> 1:07:55
No, he's not a troublemaker.

1392
1:07:57 --> 1:08:00
I think you're right in the first instance.

1393
1:08:00 --> 1:08:04
Yeah, just one point, Andrew, before anything.

1394
1:08:04 --> 1:08:07
First of all, like everybody else here,

1395
1:08:07 --> 1:08:11
I found your bravery admirable, your words inspirational,

1396
1:08:11 --> 1:08:13
and also emotional.

1397
1:08:13 --> 1:08:16
When you began speaking, it just hit me,

1398
1:08:16 --> 1:08:18
what you gave up and your strength of character

1399
1:08:18 --> 1:08:20
to carry on the fight that it seems

1400
1:08:20 --> 1:08:22
we're all embroiled in now.

1401
1:08:23 --> 1:08:25
Agreed.

1402
1:08:25 --> 1:08:26
Yeah, we are not alone.

1403
1:08:27 --> 1:08:29
So thank you, Andrew.

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1:08:29 --> 1:08:32
Now, understanding now how the co-opting of Murdoch

1405
1:08:32 --> 1:08:36
onto the board of GSK and the subsequent effect

1406
1:08:36 --> 1:08:40
on medical research via MSM truth terrorism,

1407
1:08:40 --> 1:08:43
it's easy to see how government have developed this further

1408
1:08:43 --> 1:08:47
as you know, as a form of control via MSM

1409
1:08:47 --> 1:08:49
and indeed on social media in the UK

1410
1:08:49 --> 1:08:53
via the military 77th Brigade and 13 signals.

1411
1:08:53 --> 1:08:57
So we have the military trolling people on social media.

1412
1:08:57 --> 1:09:00
When you challenge them, they just disappear.

1413
1:09:00 --> 1:09:03
So the UK government behavioral insight team,

1414
1:09:03 --> 1:09:04
we probably all know here

1415
1:09:04 --> 1:09:07
that they were using COVID fear tactics

1416
1:09:07 --> 1:09:09
to get people to take the job, et cetera.

1417
1:09:09 --> 1:09:12
So I have three points to my question here

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1:09:12 --> 1:09:15
or just comments from you.

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1:09:15 --> 1:09:17
To your mind, is there any way of beating

1420
1:09:17 --> 1:09:22
this totalitarian media system at present?

1421
1:09:22 --> 1:09:25
You've been embroiled in this over the years.

1422
1:09:25 --> 1:09:28
Secondly, having had a cast iron case myself refused

1423
1:09:28 --> 1:09:31
in similar circumstances to you against the judiciary,

1424
1:09:31 --> 1:09:34
can you see any hope for the judiciary here

1425
1:09:35 --> 1:09:37
or worldwide somebody standing up?

1426
1:09:37 --> 1:09:40
Because if Reiner can't get it through,

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1:09:40 --> 1:09:44
it's really hard for smaller lawyers to get anywhere.

1428
1:09:44 --> 1:09:47
And thirdly, how do we win this war in your opinion?

1429
1:09:47 --> 1:09:51
Is it just getting the 99% on board?

1430
1:09:51 --> 1:09:53
And as a corollary to all of that,

1431
1:09:53 --> 1:09:56
when I took on and whistle blew against the police

1432
1:09:56 --> 1:09:59
as a Sergeant against targets that wrecked the police

1433
1:09:59 --> 1:10:02
in Britain and also the judiciary,

1434
1:10:02 --> 1:10:04
two friends separately said to me,

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1:10:04 --> 1:10:07
Peter, there's no point in winning the battle

1436
1:10:07 --> 1:10:09
and losing the war.

1437
1:10:09 --> 1:10:10
I listened to them for a while,

1438
1:10:10 --> 1:10:14
but then I realized keeping my integrity was the war

1439
1:10:14 --> 1:10:18
and losing my job in two instances was just the battle.

1440
1:10:18 --> 1:10:21
And that's what you've done, my friend, and thank you.

1441
1:10:21 --> 1:10:22
Thank you very much.

1442
1:10:22 --> 1:10:23
Brilliant.

1443
1:10:23 --> 1:10:25
No, very well put.

1444
1:10:26 --> 1:10:27
Yes, we can win.

1445
1:10:27 --> 1:10:29
It may sound bizarre, but we can.

1446
1:10:29 --> 1:10:31
And we are a majority now.

1447
1:10:31 --> 1:10:36
In this country, we have a podcast, Joe Rogan.

1448
1:10:37 --> 1:10:41
Joe Rogan has 8 million followers every show.

1449
1:10:41 --> 1:10:44
He has gone from being on the side of pro-vaccine

1450
1:10:44 --> 1:10:46
to being completely now.

1451
1:10:47 --> 1:10:49
He's realized what's going on.

1452
1:10:49 --> 1:10:52
He was a sort of professional fighter

1453
1:10:52 --> 1:10:54
and he's an extraordinary guy.

1454
1:10:54 --> 1:10:56
But the important things about Joe Rogan

1455
1:10:56 --> 1:11:01
is that he has a viewership that is vastly bigger than CNN.

1456
1:11:02 --> 1:11:05
Mainstream media is becoming less and less relevant

1457
1:11:05 --> 1:11:06
by the day.

1458
1:11:06 --> 1:11:09
And the alternative media,

1459
1:11:09 --> 1:11:12
which they're finding increasingly difficult to control,

1460
1:11:12 --> 1:11:13
is becoming bigger.

1461
1:11:13 --> 1:11:17
So we have a rapidly growing majority.

1462
1:11:18 --> 1:11:21
We have a majority that is growing,

1463
1:11:21 --> 1:11:23
one, because people are realizing what's happening,

1464
1:11:23 --> 1:11:25
and two, because they're getting,

1465
1:11:25 --> 1:11:26
sadly, they're getting injured

1466
1:11:26 --> 1:11:28
and their family members are getting injured.

1467
1:11:28 --> 1:11:31
And they now know that this vaccine doesn't do

1468
1:11:31 --> 1:11:33
all the things that they were told it would do.

1469
1:11:35 --> 1:11:36
The only thing it has done is make

1470
1:11:36 --> 1:11:38
the pharmaceutical industry a lot of money.

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1:11:38 --> 1:11:39
So yes, we can win,

1472
1:11:39 --> 1:11:42
but we really, really have to apply ourselves.

1473
1:11:42 --> 1:11:44
Certain laws have to be overcome.

1474
1:11:44 --> 1:11:47
In this country, what we need to do,

1475
1:11:47 --> 1:11:48
as just as an example,

1476
1:11:48 --> 1:11:52
is to stop this direct-to-consumer advertising

1477
1:11:52 --> 1:11:54
in the media of the pharmaceuticals.

1478
1:11:54 --> 1:11:58
This is only in New Zealand and the United States of America.

1479
1:11:58 --> 1:12:01
By doing that, you see what has happened.

1480
1:12:01 --> 1:12:04
I don't believe that these drug companies

1481
1:12:04 --> 1:12:07
go on those, advertise on television,

1482
1:12:07 --> 1:12:09
principally to sell drugs.

1483
1:12:09 --> 1:12:12
When you listen to the side effects, it's laughable.

1484
1:12:12 --> 1:12:15
But they do it because what it allows them to do

1485
1:12:15 --> 1:12:16
is to control the media.

1486
1:12:16 --> 1:12:19
The media, CNN, MSNBC,

1487
1:12:19 --> 1:12:23
all of these people become dependent for their lifestyle,

1488
1:12:23 --> 1:12:25
for their existence on the income

1489
1:12:25 --> 1:12:27
that they get from the pharmaceutical companies,

1490
1:12:27 --> 1:12:29
which is, in a non-election year,

1491
1:12:29 --> 1:12:34
75 to 80% of their income comes from the drug companies.

1492
1:12:34 --> 1:12:36
If you take that away,

1493
1:12:36 --> 1:12:39
suddenly the media have got to go back

1494
1:12:39 --> 1:12:43
to being a media company, presenting the news,

1495
1:12:43 --> 1:12:44
not a biased view of the world

1496
1:12:44 --> 1:12:47
from the perspective of the pharmaceutical industry.

1497
1:12:47 --> 1:12:49
So it would change things dramatically.

1498
1:12:49 --> 1:12:52
That kind of thing, it's just one example

1499
1:12:52 --> 1:12:53
of what could happen.

1500
1:12:53 --> 1:12:55
You need to give liability back

1501
1:12:55 --> 1:12:58
to the pharmaceutical companies and dismantle

1502
1:12:58 --> 1:13:02
what was the 1986 act and reconstruct it

1503
1:13:02 --> 1:13:03
to do what it was meant to do,

1504
1:13:03 --> 1:13:07
apart from taking away this liability protection.

1505
1:13:07 --> 1:13:09
They need to be responsible.

1506
1:13:09 --> 1:13:11
And you would see a dramatic shift

1507
1:13:11 --> 1:13:13
in the way things were done.

1508
1:13:13 --> 1:13:15
So there are things that can be done.

1509
1:13:17 --> 1:13:20
And that's really just from one perspective,

1510
1:13:20 --> 1:13:23
from the sort of media perspective, the legal perspective.

1511
1:13:23 --> 1:13:25
There are many, many things that can be done

1512
1:13:25 --> 1:13:27
and things that are being done.

1513
1:13:27 --> 1:13:29
In the end, it comes down to the majority,

1514
1:13:29 --> 1:13:30
and it's gonna be a big majority,

1515
1:13:30 --> 1:13:33
and we will control things, and they are terrified.

1516
1:13:33 --> 1:13:36
They are absolutely terrified right now.

1517
1:13:36 --> 1:13:37
And just to give you an example,

1518
1:13:37 --> 1:13:42
vaccination should be a public health policy

1519
1:13:42 --> 1:13:45
that is based in the public confidence,

1520
1:13:45 --> 1:13:46
the consumer's confidence,

1521
1:13:46 --> 1:13:49
in the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.

1522
1:13:49 --> 1:13:51
That is long gone, that confidence is gone.

1523
1:13:51 --> 1:13:53
And when that confidence is gone,

1524
1:13:53 --> 1:13:56
all you have left is force.

1525
1:13:56 --> 1:13:59
And that force means destroying the lives of doctors

1526
1:13:59 --> 1:14:00
and scientists, taking away their careers,

1527
1:14:00 --> 1:14:02
taking children away from their parents,

1528
1:14:02 --> 1:14:06
passing laws to force children in public and private school

1529
1:14:06 --> 1:14:07
to get the vaccines.

1530
1:14:07 --> 1:14:11
Any number of coercive policies, that is a road to nowhere.

1531
1:14:11 --> 1:14:16
That is absolutely an example of their failure,

1532
1:14:16 --> 1:14:17
not of their success.

1533
1:14:17 --> 1:14:20
So yes, we are winning and they are desperate.

1534
1:14:20 --> 1:14:22
We need to appreciate that.

1535
1:14:22 --> 1:14:25
And we need to strike now while we have the opportunity,

1536
1:14:25 --> 1:14:27
because if we lose it,

1537
1:14:27 --> 1:14:29
then we've lost it for a very, very long time.

1538
1:14:29 --> 1:14:31
And it is close to being lost.

1539
1:14:31 --> 1:14:33
So the thanks to people like you,

1540
1:14:33 --> 1:14:36
we're growing in number by the day.

1541
1:14:36 --> 1:14:39
And I gather you've got new people signing up just today,

1542
1:14:39 --> 1:14:43
then it is going to change.

1543
1:14:43 --> 1:14:48
But courage, we will provide.

1544
1:14:48 --> 1:14:50
Andrew, are you guessing that they're terrified?

1545
1:14:50 --> 1:14:53
Or I can't remember which word you used.

1546
1:14:53 --> 1:14:55
Are you guessing that they're terrified?

1547
1:14:55 --> 1:14:58
Or do you know from contacts that they're terrified?

1548
1:15:00 --> 1:15:02
I know from having dealt with public health

1549
1:15:02 --> 1:15:04
for a very long time,

1550
1:15:04 --> 1:15:07
having initially tried years ago to deal with the likes

1551
1:15:07 --> 1:15:10
of the Public Health Laboratory Service and David Salisbury,

1552
1:15:11 --> 1:15:15
there is a thin veneer of confidence,

1553
1:15:15 --> 1:15:18
but there is underlying that absolute,

1554
1:15:18 --> 1:15:20
they're terrified that they're losing.

1555
1:15:20 --> 1:15:22
And it's quite clear,

1556
1:15:22 --> 1:15:23
and if there was a proceeding

1557
1:15:23 --> 1:15:25
of the World Health Organization,

1558
1:15:25 --> 1:15:30
where the girl from the London School of Hygiene

1559
1:15:30 --> 1:15:32
and Tropical Medicine who is in charge of their sort

1560
1:15:32 --> 1:15:37
of think tank of how to persuade the unwilling,

1561
1:15:37 --> 1:15:39
how to get them to vaccinate,

1562
1:15:39 --> 1:15:40
then she really said,

1563
1:15:40 --> 1:15:43
we've become a vaccine dependent world.

1564
1:15:43 --> 1:15:46
We've lost the confidence of the public.

1565
1:15:46 --> 1:15:47
They don't believe us anymore.

1566
1:15:47 --> 1:15:48
What are we going to do about it?

1567
1:15:48 --> 1:15:52
And I think that that really is a public reflection

1568
1:15:52 --> 1:15:55
of something that is far worse below the surface.

1569
1:15:55 --> 1:16:00
So, yes, I think it's based upon my,

1570
1:16:00 --> 1:16:02
I don't sit in meetings with these people,

1571
1:16:02 --> 1:16:05
but otherwise I'm fairly confident.

1572
1:16:05 --> 1:16:07
I'm very confident knowing them as I do,

1573
1:16:07 --> 1:16:09
having dealt with them a lot in the past,

1574
1:16:09 --> 1:16:11
they know they've lost the COVID war.

1575
1:16:11 --> 1:16:14
They know that people don't trust them anymore.

1576
1:16:14 --> 1:16:16
They know that it's one of the biggest mistakes they've made.

1577
1:16:16 --> 1:16:19
All they can do is double down

1578
1:16:19 --> 1:16:21
and keep pushing people to get it,

1579
1:16:21 --> 1:16:24
but it's another failure.

1580
1:16:24 --> 1:16:28
And every time another person joins your ranks

1581
1:16:28 --> 1:16:30
or another someone like Peter McCullough stands up

1582
1:16:30 --> 1:16:32
and says, actually,

1583
1:16:32 --> 1:16:34
I'm one of the most published scientists in the world

1584
1:16:34 --> 1:16:36
and this is garbage.

1585
1:16:36 --> 1:16:40
Then they fall a little further apart.

1586
1:16:40 --> 1:16:45
So, yeah, I think you can take it that they are struggling.

1587
1:16:47 --> 1:16:50
That is well expressed.

1588
1:16:50 --> 1:16:51
Great question, Stephen.

1589
1:16:51 --> 1:16:55
Now, Andy, we have not Gerard Waters,

1590
1:16:55 --> 1:16:57
but Gerry Waters from Ireland.

1591
1:16:57 --> 1:17:00
Gerry, give us a quick, quick snapshot.

1592
1:17:00 --> 1:17:02
Don't go too much into your story,

1593
1:17:02 --> 1:17:04
but Gerry's in trouble with the authorities,

1594
1:17:04 --> 1:17:05
aren't you, Gerry? Tell Andy.

1595
1:17:06 --> 1:17:10
I, yes, you could consider I'm in trouble

1596
1:17:10 --> 1:17:11
with the authorities.

1597
1:17:11 --> 1:17:15
I was struck off the medical council,

1598
1:17:15 --> 1:17:20
struck off the medical register in March of 21

1599
1:17:21 --> 1:17:23
for my refusal to go along with the COVID hoax

1600
1:17:23 --> 1:17:25
and my refusal to give the vaccine.

1601
1:17:25 --> 1:17:29
I wasn't quite demonised the way you were, Andy.

1602
1:17:29 --> 1:17:33
And incidentally, Andy, again, I'd like to congratulate you.

1603
1:17:33 --> 1:17:35
You really have been,

1604
1:17:35 --> 1:17:38
you've been a shining star to so many people.

1605
1:17:41 --> 1:17:44
There are a number of points that you make

1606
1:17:44 --> 1:17:49
and it's interesting that you become a film maker.

1607
1:17:50 --> 1:17:52
When you were going through,

1608
1:17:52 --> 1:17:53
I'm a couple of years ahead of you,

1609
1:17:53 --> 1:17:55
I qualified a couple of years ahead of you

1610
1:17:55 --> 1:18:00
and I watched your case.

1611
1:18:01 --> 1:18:06
You, I remember thinking at the time,

1612
1:18:06 --> 1:18:11
it was a bit like the witch scene from Monty Python.

1613
1:18:14 --> 1:18:15
Oh, but she had the witch's nose.

1614
1:18:15 --> 1:18:16
Yes, you stuck it on.

1615
1:18:16 --> 1:18:17
She's got a wart.

1616
1:18:17 --> 1:18:19
Yeah, you stuck it on.

1617
1:18:19 --> 1:18:23
Does she float or what floats, ducks?

1618
1:18:23 --> 1:18:25
It's very much like that.

1619
1:18:25 --> 1:18:28
They, in your case, they made up,

1620
1:18:29 --> 1:18:31
they turned you into a witch.

1621
1:18:31 --> 1:18:34
They stuck the witch's hat on you.

1622
1:18:34 --> 1:18:37
And I'm sure you're familiar with that witch scene

1623
1:18:37 --> 1:18:38
in Monty Python.

1624
1:18:38 --> 1:18:40
It is indeed, yeah.

1625
1:18:40 --> 1:18:41
Yeah.

1626
1:18:41 --> 1:18:44
And the wise knight comes along

1627
1:18:44 --> 1:18:46
who's just as about as ridiculous,

1628
1:18:46 --> 1:18:49
which I would compare to the medical council.

1629
1:18:49 --> 1:18:52
Now you say that they're terrified.

1630
1:18:52 --> 1:18:54
I know they're terrified.

1631
1:18:54 --> 1:18:56
I was temporarily struck off

1632
1:18:56 --> 1:18:59
or temporarily suspended 18 months ago.

1633
1:18:59 --> 1:19:03
And they haven't brought me before a full hearing.

1634
1:19:05 --> 1:19:07
I was fortunate.

1635
1:19:07 --> 1:19:10
I was fortunate a week ago to spend some time.

1636
1:19:10 --> 1:19:14
I spent a day and a half with such luminaries

1637
1:19:14 --> 1:19:16
as Ryan Cole and Robert Malone.

1638
1:19:16 --> 1:19:19
And I got a reassurance from these men

1639
1:19:19 --> 1:19:22
that these guys will come as witnesses in my case,

1640
1:19:22 --> 1:19:25
when I go before the medical council.

1641
1:19:25 --> 1:19:29
If anybody's met Ryan Cole or Robert Malone personally,

1642
1:19:29 --> 1:19:32
they are formidable people.

1643
1:19:35 --> 1:19:37
Jerry, don't forget to spend some time with me too, right?

1644
1:19:37 --> 1:19:38
Oh, yeah.

1645
1:19:38 --> 1:19:39
Yeah.

1646
1:19:41 --> 1:19:43
And that, you know, you, I think you'd agree

1647
1:19:43 --> 1:19:46
that was a fabulous time we had.

1648
1:19:46 --> 1:19:50
It was a fun couple of days or day and a half,

1649
1:19:50 --> 1:19:53
just having breakfast with these guys and singing.

1650
1:19:55 --> 1:19:58
I think some of them sang until four o'clock at night.

1651
1:19:58 --> 1:20:01
I bailed out at one o'clock.

1652
1:20:01 --> 1:20:06
But these are great guys, but very, very formidable

1653
1:20:06 --> 1:20:08
and women of course, gay.

1654
1:20:08 --> 1:20:11
But so what I'm saying is these people

1655
1:20:11 --> 1:20:13
are really, really frightened.

1656
1:20:13 --> 1:20:18
I have these, what they call call over meetings with them

1657
1:20:18 --> 1:20:21
and they don't like dealing with me

1658
1:20:21 --> 1:20:24
because I don't, I'm not legally represented

1659
1:20:25 --> 1:20:26
and I want to keep it that way

1660
1:20:26 --> 1:20:29
because I can go to the call over meetings myself

1661
1:20:29 --> 1:20:32
and I'm not being hamstrung by the solicitors,

1662
1:20:32 --> 1:20:34
who as it turns out,

1663
1:20:34 --> 1:20:37
were on the side of the establishment anyway.

1664
1:20:37 --> 1:20:38
But there's, pardon that,

1665
1:20:38 --> 1:20:41
there's one or two actual questions I'd like to ask.

1666
1:20:41 --> 1:20:45
Did the vaccines, those MMRs that I was instrumental

1667
1:20:45 --> 1:20:46
on my nurse, I gave them,

1668
1:20:46 --> 1:20:49
my nurse gave over the 40 year period,

1669
1:20:49 --> 1:20:53
did they actually do any good or did they all do harm?

1670
1:20:53 --> 1:20:58
Like, am I as culpable now for giving those MMR vaccines

1671
1:20:59 --> 1:21:04
as the people who are complicit in the COVID-19 crime?

1672
1:21:08 --> 1:21:10
No, you're not, not at all.

1673
1:21:12 --> 1:21:15
Again, let me answer that.

1674
1:21:15 --> 1:21:17
It's an extremely important question,

1675
1:21:17 --> 1:21:20
but let me answer this from a broader perspective

1676
1:21:20 --> 1:21:22
that does not find you in any way

1677
1:21:24 --> 1:21:28
culpable and I qualify that by saying my children,

1678
1:21:28 --> 1:21:31
my own children, first two, I've got four,

1679
1:21:31 --> 1:21:33
had MMR vaccine, I did not know.

1680
1:21:33 --> 1:21:35
But I should have, I should have known,

1681
1:21:35 --> 1:21:38
I should have investigated before, but I didn't.

1682
1:21:38 --> 1:21:41
And that's so, if you're culpable, so am I.

1683
1:21:41 --> 1:21:46
But measles vaccine has,

1684
1:21:46 --> 1:21:49
measles up until 1920 was a major killer of children

1685
1:21:49 --> 1:21:52
during epidemics in Western countries,

1686
1:21:52 --> 1:21:56
1200 per million children would die during epidemics.

1687
1:21:56 --> 1:21:59
Beyond that point, there was a precipitous fall

1688
1:21:59 --> 1:22:03
in case fatality rate, such that by the time the vaccine,

1689
1:22:03 --> 1:22:06
the single measles vaccine was first introduced

1690
1:22:06 --> 1:22:11
in the 1960s, there had been a 99.96% reduction

1691
1:22:12 --> 1:22:13
in case fatality.

1692
1:22:13 --> 1:22:17
In other words, in a very short space of time,

1693
1:22:17 --> 1:22:21
measles was becoming a milder and milder disease.

1694
1:22:21 --> 1:22:25
If we'd done nothing, that curve would have decayed to zero.

1695
1:22:25 --> 1:22:29
It would have been nothing more than a mild cold.

1696
1:22:29 --> 1:22:32
That was the consequence of herd immunity.

1697
1:22:32 --> 1:22:36
That was because one, exposure protects for life

1698
1:22:36 --> 1:22:38
and protects people who are older getting measles

1699
1:22:38 --> 1:22:40
in whom the mortality is greater.

1700
1:22:40 --> 1:22:45
And because pregnant mothers who have had natural measles

1701
1:22:45 --> 1:22:47
give very good passive immunity to their babies

1702
1:22:47 --> 1:22:50
through breast milk and transpositively,

1703
1:22:50 --> 1:22:52
that protected babies under the age of one.

1704
1:22:52 --> 1:22:54
So at those two extremes of life,

1705
1:22:54 --> 1:22:58
where mortality was greater, much greater,

1706
1:22:58 --> 1:23:01
people were protected by natural herd immunity.

1707
1:23:01 --> 1:23:03
Vaccination has destroyed that.

1708
1:23:03 --> 1:23:06
We were promised one shot, leads to lifelong immunity.

1709
1:23:06 --> 1:23:07
It doesn't.

1710
1:23:07 --> 1:23:09
It wanes really rather quickly,

1711
1:23:09 --> 1:23:12
and we're now up to two, three, four doses,

1712
1:23:12 --> 1:23:13
and it's still falling off.

1713
1:23:14 --> 1:23:17
So now we are susceptible to measles again as adults

1714
1:23:17 --> 1:23:19
where it's more dangerous.

1715
1:23:19 --> 1:23:23
Mothers who've had measles, who had measles vaccine,

1716
1:23:23 --> 1:23:25
do not give good immunity to their babies.

1717
1:23:25 --> 1:23:27
So their babies are not protected

1718
1:23:27 --> 1:23:28
during the first year of life.

1719
1:23:28 --> 1:23:32
So measles has become a more dangerous disease

1720
1:23:32 --> 1:23:35
precisely because of vaccination.

1721
1:23:35 --> 1:23:40
So globally, yes, our giving the measles vaccine

1722
1:23:40 --> 1:23:44
has caused an ecological catastrophe in effect

1723
1:23:44 --> 1:23:47
because we have destroyed natural herd immunity.

1724
1:23:48 --> 1:23:50
But at an individual level, no,

1725
1:23:50 --> 1:23:54
you cannot be held any more culpable than I was

1726
1:23:54 --> 1:23:57
for not investigating it before giving it to my children.

1727
1:23:59 --> 1:24:04
Another thing, you say that, you know,

1728
1:24:04 --> 1:24:07
this isn't about you, this isn't about me.

1729
1:24:07 --> 1:24:10
But the fact of the matter is, it is about me.

1730
1:24:10 --> 1:24:12
The medical council came after me.

1731
1:24:12 --> 1:24:14
They wanted my head on a spike.

1732
1:24:14 --> 1:24:16
As an example, which they took,

1733
1:24:17 --> 1:24:20
as an example to other GPs, it ended up,

1734
1:24:20 --> 1:24:23
I was the only GP who was disciplined like that.

1735
1:24:23 --> 1:24:26
I don't know exactly how the other disciplines went,

1736
1:24:26 --> 1:24:29
but I know that I was the only one that actually ended up

1737
1:24:29 --> 1:24:33
with my career taken off me and totally demonized.

1738
1:24:34 --> 1:24:36
It is, it's not about me.

1739
1:24:36 --> 1:24:38
This is much, much bigger than me.

1740
1:24:38 --> 1:24:39
It's much, much bigger than you.

1741
1:24:39 --> 1:24:42
It's much, much bigger than the 124 people that are here.

1742
1:24:42 --> 1:24:43
But at the end of the day,

1743
1:24:43 --> 1:24:46
somebody has to be the point of the shaft.

1744
1:24:47 --> 1:24:49
Or has to be the point of the spear.

1745
1:24:49 --> 1:24:51
I don't mind being the point of the spear,

1746
1:24:51 --> 1:24:53
but I need a shaft behind me.

1747
1:24:54 --> 1:24:58
A spear is absolutely useless unless it's got a shaft.

1748
1:24:58 --> 1:25:01
Otherwise it's only a blade, a little blade.

1749
1:25:01 --> 1:25:03
So I keep saying this to people.

1750
1:25:03 --> 1:25:05
I don't mind.

1751
1:25:05 --> 1:25:07
I don't mind going in and facing the medical council.

1752
1:25:07 --> 1:25:09
I don't mind going giving talks.

1753
1:25:09 --> 1:25:14
But at the end of the day, it needs a really, the solution.

1754
1:25:14 --> 1:25:19
And the winning of this battle and this film

1755
1:25:19 --> 1:25:22
that you will eventually make about COVID-19

1756
1:25:22 --> 1:25:25
will be won on the basis of the masses,

1757
1:25:25 --> 1:25:28
the people coming in behind us.

1758
1:25:28 --> 1:25:29
But at the end of the day,

1759
1:25:29 --> 1:25:33
there has to be a point on the spear.

1760
1:25:33 --> 1:25:35
I didn't choose to be the point on the spear.

1761
1:25:35 --> 1:25:37
They chose me as the point on the spear.

1762
1:25:38 --> 1:25:40
So another thing that I want to ask you,

1763
1:25:40 --> 1:25:41
every time I hear,

1764
1:25:41 --> 1:25:45
when I hear of a pediatric gastrointestinal surgeon,

1765
1:25:45 --> 1:25:48
it brings me back to the ideas of intussusception.

1766
1:25:50 --> 1:25:51
You remember intussusception?

1767
1:25:51 --> 1:25:53
Oh yes, I do. Absolutely, yes.

1768
1:25:54 --> 1:25:59
It seems to be what I remember of pediatric surgery.

1769
1:25:59 --> 1:26:00
I started training in surgery.

1770
1:26:02 --> 1:26:07
But was there a viral association with intussusception?

1771
1:26:08 --> 1:26:09
Yes, there was.

1772
1:26:09 --> 1:26:12
And in fact, there's been a vaccine association.

1773
1:26:13 --> 1:26:15
As people, for the people who don't know,

1774
1:26:15 --> 1:26:18
intussusception is where the lymph glands,

1775
1:26:18 --> 1:26:20
particularly in the terminal ilium,

1776
1:26:20 --> 1:26:22
the end of the small bowel becomes so enlarged,

1777
1:26:22 --> 1:26:25
just like tonsils when you get an infection,

1778
1:26:25 --> 1:26:28
that the intestine treats them like a bolus of food

1779
1:26:28 --> 1:26:32
and drags them along and the bowel telescopes on itself

1780
1:26:32 --> 1:26:37
and the child obstructs and it becomes a surgical emergency.

1781
1:26:38 --> 1:26:43
And yes, a rotavirus infection and rotavirus vaccine

1782
1:26:44 --> 1:26:45
can cause intussusception.

1783
1:26:45 --> 1:26:48
In fact, one of the vaccines was withdrawn

1784
1:26:48 --> 1:26:51
because precisely because it caused intussusception.

1785
1:26:51 --> 1:26:54
So yes, that's the answer.

1786
1:26:56 --> 1:26:57
A final point.

1787
1:26:57 --> 1:27:00
This was the bridge too far.

1788
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This really was.

1789
1:27:01 --> 1:27:06
They in the rush to introduce this genocidal cause,

1790
1:27:06 --> 1:27:09
as I now reluctantly begin to believe,

1791
1:27:09 --> 1:27:14
that this is about killing off 15% of the population,

1792
1:27:17 --> 1:27:19
has been quoted on a number of occasions.

1793
1:27:19 --> 1:27:22
And I think in this rush, they went too far

1794
1:27:23 --> 1:27:25
because I don't think that they realized

1795
1:27:25 --> 1:27:30
that there was going to be the very close temporal association

1796
1:27:30 --> 1:27:32
between the vaccine and the deaths.

1797
1:27:32 --> 1:27:34
I think that's where they made the mistake.

1798
1:27:34 --> 1:27:37
And I think they thought that the deaths would come

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five to three to five years afterwards,

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whereas they're coming days afterwards, if not weeks.

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1:27:43 --> 1:27:45
And that's what I feel.

1802
1:27:45 --> 1:27:46
I think it's that bridge too far.

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1:27:46 --> 1:27:50
And as you say, I'm convinced that we're winning.

1804
1:27:50 --> 1:27:51
Yes, good.

1805
1:27:51 --> 1:27:53
I'm delighted to hear that.

1806
1:27:53 --> 1:27:55
Thank you for sharing your story.

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1:27:55 --> 1:27:56
Thank you.

1808
1:27:56 --> 1:27:56
Thank you.

1809
1:27:56 --> 1:27:57
Thank you, Gerard.

1810
1:27:57 --> 1:27:58
Gerard, could you email me?

1811
1:27:58 --> 1:28:02
Because maybe I can supply you with documents

1812
1:28:02 --> 1:28:07
which you can use to hit the Irish Medical Council with.

1813
1:28:07 --> 1:28:10
I've got a, I have emailed you before

1814
1:28:10 --> 1:28:12
and you don't read your emails.

1815
1:28:12 --> 1:28:13
You don't seem to read your emails.

1816
1:28:13 --> 1:28:15
Well, I do actually.

1817
1:28:15 --> 1:28:17
Yeah, I don't have time to reply sometimes.

1818
1:28:17 --> 1:28:18
Yeah, of course.

1819
1:28:18 --> 1:28:23
Yeah, I will, I'll email you and I need any documents I can

1820
1:28:24 --> 1:28:26
and I need any statistics I can.

1821
1:28:26 --> 1:28:29
Well, as you say, you're the point of the spear

1822
1:28:29 --> 1:28:31
and you can do great damage.

1823
1:28:32 --> 1:28:34
So, with our help, obviously.

1824
1:28:34 --> 1:28:37
Yeah, you know, you guys have to be the shaft.

1825
1:28:37 --> 1:28:39
But at the end of the day, I don't mind.

1826
1:28:39 --> 1:28:42
I'm old enough now that I don't really care.

1827
1:28:42 --> 1:28:44
I've done what I need to do in life.

1828
1:28:44 --> 1:28:47
And I will die on this hill.

1829
1:28:48 --> 1:28:49
Beautifully put, Gerry.

1830
1:28:49 --> 1:28:52
Now, everybody on Sunday, and Andy,

1831
1:28:52 --> 1:28:54
this is also relevant to you.

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1:28:55 --> 1:28:58
I mentioned the 107 page report

1833
1:28:58 --> 1:29:00
by Dr. Philip Altman in Australia.

1834
1:29:01 --> 1:29:03
That's now circulating globally.

1835
1:29:03 --> 1:29:04
I'll put it in the chat.

1836
1:29:04 --> 1:29:06
I'll get it sent to you, Andy, as well,

1837
1:29:06 --> 1:29:11
as well as a letter to all the medical colleges in Australia

1838
1:29:11 --> 1:29:12
with a well-articulated letter

1839
1:29:12 --> 1:29:16
from the newly formed Australia Medical Practitioners Society.

1840
1:29:16 --> 1:29:19
And we're wanting that Philip Altman

1841
1:29:19 --> 1:29:22
beautifully updated state of the art report

1842
1:29:22 --> 1:29:25
to be sent to all medical colleges around the world.

1843
1:29:25 --> 1:29:27
And all of you can play a part in that.

1844
1:29:27 --> 1:29:32
And Gerry, this paper is designed to be used as evidence

1845
1:29:32 --> 1:29:34
in court case, in proceedings,

1846
1:29:34 --> 1:29:37
in proceedings against all medical regulators.

1847
1:29:37 --> 1:29:39
So I'll put that in the chat.

1848
1:29:39 --> 1:29:40
And if anyone needs an email,

1849
1:29:40 --> 1:29:44
then please put your email in the chat and I'll send it.

1850
1:29:44 --> 1:29:45
Gerry, thank you for that.

1851
1:29:45 --> 1:29:49
That's the Philip Altman report, 107 pages,

1852
1:29:49 --> 1:29:52
plus the covering letter to the medical colleges

1853
1:29:52 --> 1:29:53
that all of us can use.

1854
1:29:53 --> 1:29:56
Anna Mihalcia from America Doctor.

1855
1:29:58 --> 1:30:00
Anna, over to you.

1856
1:30:03 --> 1:30:05
Anna Mihalcia.

1857
1:30:05 --> 1:30:08
Sorry, I didn't pronounce that correctly.

1858
1:30:08 --> 1:30:10
Can you hear me?

1859
1:30:10 --> 1:30:11
Yes.

1860
1:30:11 --> 1:30:12
Yeah, we can now.

1861
1:30:13 --> 1:30:16
Can you hear me all right?

1862
1:30:16 --> 1:30:17
No, it's fine.

1863
1:30:17 --> 1:30:18
I can hear you.

1864
1:30:18 --> 1:30:19
I can hear something.

1865
1:30:19 --> 1:30:21
Try it, Anna.

1866
1:30:21 --> 1:30:22
Try it now, Anna.

1867
1:30:22 --> 1:30:26
So, come on, Doctor, wait for the next...

1868
1:30:28 --> 1:30:29
It's breaking up a bit.

1869
1:30:29 --> 1:30:31
I'm a medicine physician by training.

1870
1:30:31 --> 1:30:33
I was a geriatrician.

1871
1:30:33 --> 1:30:38
I left the medical system because of vaccines.

1872
1:30:38 --> 1:30:43
And then I became a chelation practitioner.

1873
1:30:43 --> 1:30:46
So I detoxify people from heavy metals.

1874
1:30:46 --> 1:30:48
And what is interesting, you know,

1875
1:30:48 --> 1:30:52
all vaccines have been shown to have nanoparticle

1876
1:30:52 --> 1:30:56
contaminations with all kinds of metals,

1877
1:30:56 --> 1:31:00
from lead to lurium, steel.

1878
1:31:00 --> 1:31:04
And it doesn't matter.

1879
1:31:04 --> 1:31:05
We all have them.

1880
1:31:05 --> 1:31:09
We have graphene oxide and other metal in shots.

1881
1:31:09 --> 1:31:12
And one of the things that is important to understand

1882
1:31:12 --> 1:31:17
is that the metals cause DNA methylation,

1883
1:31:17 --> 1:31:21
which doesn't allow for microRNA to be transcribed,

1884
1:31:21 --> 1:31:24
which actually is in charge of regulating the genome.

1885
1:31:24 --> 1:31:27
And this can be passed on transgenerational.

1886
1:31:27 --> 1:31:32
For example, lead in women who were pregnant children

1887
1:31:32 --> 1:31:35
and impaired genetic expression,

1888
1:31:35 --> 1:31:40
and thereby increasing the diseases transgenerational.

1889
1:31:40 --> 1:31:42
So you can...

1890
1:31:42 --> 1:31:47
That happens with all metals that are put into the body

1891
1:31:47 --> 1:31:49
from a toxic perspective.

1892
1:31:49 --> 1:31:53
So my question is, you know,

1893
1:31:53 --> 1:31:55
pay for performance in the United States

1894
1:31:55 --> 1:31:58
is tied to vaccine administration.

1895
1:31:58 --> 1:32:03
My colleagues who know about the COVID vaccine

1896
1:32:03 --> 1:32:07
still continue to give every other shot

1897
1:32:07 --> 1:32:10
because their payment is dependent on it.

1898
1:32:10 --> 1:32:12
I, as an independent practitioner,

1899
1:32:12 --> 1:32:14
I don't give any vaccine.

1900
1:32:14 --> 1:32:18
And I've spoken out against vaccines for a long time.

1901
1:32:18 --> 1:32:22
How do we get colleagues to understand

1902
1:32:22 --> 1:32:24
that all vaccines are toxic

1903
1:32:24 --> 1:32:28
and they all have been used for depopulation

1904
1:32:28 --> 1:32:33
and to create sick customers ongoingly?

1905
1:32:34 --> 1:32:38
And if you just go after the metals, for example,

1906
1:32:38 --> 1:32:41
you already have enough toxicity for all of them

1907
1:32:41 --> 1:32:43
and we already have the proof.

1908
1:32:43 --> 1:32:45
What is your suggestion?

1909
1:32:45 --> 1:32:48
Because without doctors stopping to inject babies

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1:32:48 --> 1:32:52
and taking their paycheck more important

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1:32:52 --> 1:32:56
than the lives of the children, for example,

1912
1:32:56 --> 1:32:58
or the adults that they care for,

1913
1:32:58 --> 1:33:00
we're not gonna make headways

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1:33:00 --> 1:33:03
on the vaccine depopulation scheme.

1915
1:33:04 --> 1:33:06
Yes, you're absolutely right.

1916
1:33:06 --> 1:33:09
In this country, and I'll just give you as an example

1917
1:33:09 --> 1:33:12
for those not in America,

1918
1:33:12 --> 1:33:14
there was a physician, a pediatrician,

1919
1:33:14 --> 1:33:17
who stopped vaccinating and testified

1920
1:33:17 --> 1:33:20
before the state legislature on this

1921
1:33:20 --> 1:33:24
and said at the time that he lost

1922
1:33:24 --> 1:33:29
by giving up vaccination $700,000 a year in income.

1923
1:33:30 --> 1:33:32
That is the incentive for people

1924
1:33:32 --> 1:33:35
to keep doing what they're doing

1925
1:33:35 --> 1:33:37
and for violating their medical principle.

1926
1:33:37 --> 1:33:41
It's an absolute disgrace, which gives you some insight.

1927
1:33:41 --> 1:33:44
If that's just his bonus, what he gets,

1928
1:33:44 --> 1:33:46
what the income from these vaccines is.

1929
1:33:47 --> 1:33:50
I asked this very same question myself

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and that was the reason I went into filmmaking

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1:33:52 --> 1:33:56
because filmmaking can take a complex story,

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1:33:56 --> 1:33:59
such as the history of the 1986 act,

1933
1:33:59 --> 1:34:01
make it entertaining first and foremost,

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1:34:01 --> 1:34:06
educational secondarily, and then people will watch it.

1935
1:34:06 --> 1:34:07
And you do the heavy lifting.

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1:34:07 --> 1:34:11
You tell a complex story in an entertaining way

1937
1:34:12 --> 1:34:15
and you can change many, many people's minds.

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1:34:15 --> 1:34:20
And so the next film that we're in production on,

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1:34:20 --> 1:34:24
pre-production at the moment, excuse me,

1940
1:34:24 --> 1:34:26
is a full length feature film.

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1:34:26 --> 1:34:29
And it is about a pharmaceutical industry fraud,

1942
1:34:29 --> 1:34:31
vaccine manufacturer fraud.

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1:34:31 --> 1:34:34
And hopefully it will bring people across the bridge

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1:34:34 --> 1:34:39
from the COVID vaccine and the horrors of that

1945
1:34:39 --> 1:34:41
to understand that this has been happening

1946
1:34:41 --> 1:34:44
with the childhood vaccine schedule forever.

1947
1:34:44 --> 1:34:46
And that is the purpose of this film,

1948
1:34:46 --> 1:34:48
one of the purposes of this film.

1949
1:34:48 --> 1:34:51
So the way in which I've approached this

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1:34:51 --> 1:34:52
is through filmmaking.

1951
1:34:52 --> 1:34:55
Other people will have their own ways

1952
1:34:55 --> 1:34:56
of contributing of doing it.

1953
1:34:56 --> 1:34:59
But that was the way in which I answered the question

1954
1:34:59 --> 1:35:01
for myself, what could we do?

1955
1:35:01 --> 1:35:06
So it's a beautiful, Ana, it's a beautiful example.

1956
1:35:07 --> 1:35:10
Do what you see needs to be done.

1957
1:35:10 --> 1:35:11
You're breaking up again.

1958
1:35:11 --> 1:35:13
So Ana, it's up to all of us.

1959
1:35:13 --> 1:35:18
I know you work hard, but it is up to all of us.

1960
1:35:18 --> 1:35:23
And none of us on this group can afford to just sit back

1961
1:35:24 --> 1:35:26
and wait for other people to do what we should be doing.

1962
1:35:26 --> 1:35:28
And the things that we think of,

1963
1:35:29 --> 1:35:30
because we stimulate each other

1964
1:35:30 --> 1:35:32
and we have all these ideas, twice weekly,

1965
1:35:32 --> 1:35:34
we have the chance to think about these things

1966
1:35:34 --> 1:35:38
and people trigger thoughts in our heads,

1967
1:35:38 --> 1:35:40
I think, certainly in mine.

1968
1:35:40 --> 1:35:44
And when John, sorry, when Andrew was speaking,

1969
1:35:44 --> 1:35:46
I don't know what you felt like,

1970
1:35:46 --> 1:35:48
but it was just like one thing after another.

1971
1:35:48 --> 1:35:50
I had a comment and a question

1972
1:35:50 --> 1:35:52
on everything he said just about.

1973
1:35:52 --> 1:35:54
But you are a very good speaker, Andrew, so.

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1:35:54 --> 1:35:55
You're very kind.

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1:35:55 --> 1:35:58
I have a production of a film called

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1:35:59 --> 1:36:00
Production Meeting coming up.

1977
1:36:00 --> 1:36:03
So I better get off very soon.

1978
1:36:03 --> 1:36:05
I could probably take one more question.

1979
1:36:05 --> 1:36:06
So.

1980
1:36:07 --> 1:36:08
All right.

1981
1:36:08 --> 1:36:10
So Ana, thank you for that.

1982
1:36:10 --> 1:36:13
Theresa from, no, you have two, Andy.

1983
1:36:13 --> 1:36:15
We've got Theresa from Wales and then John Stone,

1984
1:36:15 --> 1:36:16
because he organized for you to be.

1985
1:36:16 --> 1:36:18
Oh John, my dear friend.

1986
1:36:18 --> 1:36:19
Yeah, yeah, okay.

1987
1:36:19 --> 1:36:21
So Theresa from Wales.

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1:36:23 --> 1:36:24
Hi, hi, Andrew.

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1:36:24 --> 1:36:27
Thank you for presenting to us tonight.

1990
1:36:27 --> 1:36:32
I'm very grateful for everything that you've done.

1991
1:36:32 --> 1:36:34
I've worked with autistic children

1992
1:36:34 --> 1:36:36
and I've heard so many stories

1993
1:36:36 --> 1:36:38
about it being linked to the vaccine.

1994
1:36:38 --> 1:36:39
My question is this.

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1:36:41 --> 1:36:45
We know in this group that the COVID vaccine

1996
1:36:45 --> 1:36:49
is cytoneurocardiohepatogenotoxic

1997
1:36:49 --> 1:36:51
and many other toxicities.

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1:36:52 --> 1:36:55
And my question for you is,

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1:36:56 --> 1:37:00
is it really about money?

2000
1:37:00 --> 1:37:03
The vaccination, you know, the MMR

2001
1:37:03 --> 1:37:06
and the way these children are being injured by the vaccines.

2002
1:37:06 --> 1:37:11
Is it really about money or is it a form of warfare?

2003
1:37:11 --> 1:37:16
In that, I've seen forecasts of the number

2004
1:37:16 --> 1:37:21
of young children that will be autistic by 2032.

2005
1:37:21 --> 1:37:24
It could be as many as half of all children

2006
1:37:24 --> 1:37:25
by 2030.

2007
1:37:31 --> 1:37:32
You're breaking up Theresa.

2008
1:37:34 --> 1:37:35
No.

2009
1:37:41 --> 1:37:42
Still breaking up Theresa.

2010
1:37:42 --> 1:37:45
Maybe I should answer that question.

2011
1:37:45 --> 1:37:46
That due to an economy.

2012
1:37:46 --> 1:37:48
Okay, I'm sure you can.

2013
1:37:48 --> 1:37:49
Is it warfare?

2014
1:37:50 --> 1:37:51
You're quite right.

2015
1:37:51 --> 1:37:54
Just to give you people some perspective,

2016
1:37:55 --> 1:37:57
based on the CDC's numbers,

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1:37:57 --> 1:38:00
by 2032 it will be one in two children,

2018
1:38:00 --> 1:38:02
80% of boys since it's more common in boys.

2019
1:38:04 --> 1:38:08
And I just saw the other day that the numbers in New Jersey,

2020
1:38:08 --> 1:38:12
one in 14 children already, Belfast, one in 14 children.

2021
1:38:12 --> 1:38:15
So that's where on target for that horrendous number.

2022
1:38:17 --> 1:38:18
Is there another agenda?

2023
1:38:18 --> 1:38:22
Vaccination operates in my experience on various levels.

2024
1:38:22 --> 1:38:23
For some people, it's purely money.

2025
1:38:23 --> 1:38:27
It's almost religious zeal,

2026
1:38:27 --> 1:38:30
a belief that this is the best thing that man has ever done.

2027
1:38:31 --> 1:38:33
We were there with antibiotics

2028
1:38:33 --> 1:38:36
until the tragedy of multi-resistant,

2029
1:38:36 --> 1:38:39
highly pathogenic organisms evolving precisely

2030
1:38:39 --> 1:38:42
because of the inappropriate use of antibiotics.

2031
1:38:42 --> 1:38:45
And we're headed the same way with vaccines.

2032
1:38:45 --> 1:38:47
And for some people,

2033
1:38:47 --> 1:38:49
this is the basis of a film that I recently made

2034
1:38:49 --> 1:38:50
with Bobby Kennedy.

2035
1:38:50 --> 1:38:55
I didn't believe that there was a population control agenda

2036
1:38:55 --> 1:38:57
until I made a film about it.

2037
1:38:58 --> 1:39:00
And I realized that the World Health Organization

2038
1:39:00 --> 1:39:04
has been quite clear and has been funding Dr. Talwar

2039
1:39:04 --> 1:39:09
in New Delhi in India to produce, to experiment

2040
1:39:09 --> 1:39:12
and produce an anti-fertility vaccine for many years,

2041
1:39:12 --> 1:39:13
since the 70s.

2042
1:39:13 --> 1:39:15
He optimized it in the 90s,

2043
1:39:15 --> 1:39:20
and it's been used clandestinely around the world

2044
1:39:20 --> 1:39:25
since that time amongst in populations such as Kenya.

2045
1:39:25 --> 1:39:28
So please, if you want to see the facts behind that,

2046
1:39:28 --> 1:39:30
for free, you can go and watch

2047
1:39:31 --> 1:39:33
Infertility, a Diabolical Agenda,

2048
1:39:33 --> 1:39:35
which is a short movie, 30 minutes,

2049
1:39:35 --> 1:39:38
that I made recently released with Bobby.

2050
1:39:38 --> 1:39:39
And it tells the story,

2051
1:39:39 --> 1:39:42
a story that I did not know of before this,

2052
1:39:42 --> 1:39:44
an absolutely extraordinary story.

2053
1:39:45 --> 1:39:48
And you can watch that for free on

2054
1:39:48 --> 1:39:52
Infertility, the movie.com.

2055
1:39:53 --> 1:39:55
Infertility, the movie.com.

2056
1:39:56 --> 1:40:01
And so there are many, many agendas.

2057
1:40:03 --> 1:40:07
But yes, warfare against mankind is certainly one of them.

2058
1:40:08 --> 1:40:11
Yeah, I've run the figures myself.

2059
1:40:11 --> 1:40:13
This thing's going exponential.

2060
1:40:13 --> 1:40:16
And I can't see any way that it's not gonna be

2061
1:40:16 --> 1:40:17
half of kids by 2032,

2062
1:40:17 --> 1:40:19
which will destroy Western civilization.

2063
1:40:23 --> 1:40:24
Thank you.

2064
1:40:24 --> 1:40:25
Thank you, Theresa.

2065
1:40:25 --> 1:40:27
Last one, John Stone.

2066
1:40:27 --> 1:40:30
How appropriate that you're the last one, Ferrandi.

2067
1:40:30 --> 1:40:31
Hi, John.

2068
1:40:31 --> 1:40:33
Hi, great to see you.

2069
1:40:33 --> 1:40:36
Thanks for everything.

2070
1:40:36 --> 1:40:39
Wonderful talk and for everything you've ever done for us all.

2071
1:40:40 --> 1:40:42
One thing that,

2072
1:40:43 --> 1:40:45
a piece of history that I sort of,

2073
1:40:45 --> 1:40:48
I believe I reconstructed a couple of years ago,

2074
1:40:49 --> 1:40:53
was where, I mean, obviously,

2075
1:40:53 --> 1:40:57
there were various motives going on.

2076
1:40:57 --> 1:41:01
Obviously, you said certain things,

2077
1:41:01 --> 1:41:02
which were unacceptable.

2078
1:41:02 --> 1:41:04
Of course, as we know,

2079
1:41:05 --> 1:41:07
the scale of the vaccine industry

2080
1:41:07 --> 1:41:10
absolutely escalated in the period.

2081
1:41:10 --> 1:41:13
I reckon that from 2000 on,

2082
1:41:13 --> 1:41:17
the actual burden,

2083
1:41:19 --> 1:41:22
financial burden of the vaccine schedule

2084
1:41:22 --> 1:41:25
had risen by more than a hundred times.

2085
1:41:26 --> 1:41:31
And if you'd been allowed to say what you said

2086
1:41:31 --> 1:41:35
and not been made an example of,

2087
1:41:37 --> 1:41:39
then they could have,

2088
1:41:43 --> 1:41:46
people could have picked and chosen their vaccines

2089
1:41:46 --> 1:41:48
rather than saying, well, you've got to have everything.

2090
1:41:48 --> 1:41:50
You have all these multi-vaccines

2091
1:41:50 --> 1:41:52
and you've got to have everything together.

2092
1:41:54 --> 1:41:59
Then the whole project would have failed.

2093
1:42:01 --> 1:42:05
The other thing that I came across

2094
1:42:05 --> 1:42:08
and researched as I had a couple of years ago

2095
1:42:08 --> 1:42:12
was that the origins of this,

2096
1:42:12 --> 1:42:17
first of all, it was a great project of Tony Blair

2097
1:42:17 --> 1:42:22
to amalgamate Glaxo Welcome with Smithclime Beecham.

2098
1:42:23 --> 1:42:27
And this, he was already trying this in 98.

2099
1:42:27 --> 1:42:32
He was only, I think, finally achieved at the beginning of 2002

2100
1:42:33 --> 1:42:34
and immediately after that,

2101
1:42:34 --> 1:42:37
it wasn't actually doing very well.

2102
1:42:40 --> 1:42:44
But I believe that there were, at that time,

2103
1:42:44 --> 1:42:47
there was an incredibly close bond

2104
1:42:47 --> 1:42:51
between Blair personally and Rupert Murdoch.

2105
1:42:51 --> 1:42:55
James Murdoch didn't come into the picture until 2009

2106
1:42:55 --> 1:43:00
when he was made a GSK board member.

2107
1:43:00 --> 1:43:01
And immediately after that,

2108
1:43:01 --> 1:43:06
you've got the second wave of Brian Deer's allegations.

2109
1:43:09 --> 1:43:11
Rupert Murdoch was godfather

2110
1:43:11 --> 1:43:13
to one of Blair's children, wasn't he?

2111
1:43:13 --> 1:43:15
Exactly so, exactly that's the point.

2112
1:43:15 --> 1:43:19
In 2000, I believe he became godfather to,

2113
1:43:19 --> 1:43:24
Blair became godfather to one of Murdoch's children in 2002.

2114
1:43:25 --> 1:43:27
These men were absolutely like that.

2115
1:43:27 --> 1:43:31
So if Blair wanted to finish you off,

2116
1:43:31 --> 1:43:32
then Murdoch would do it for him.

2117
1:43:34 --> 1:43:35
Right, thank you John.

2118
1:43:37 --> 1:43:38
Thank you for that insight.

2119
1:43:38 --> 1:43:41
And I better go, but thank you very much for having me on.

2120
1:43:41 --> 1:43:42
I once said to John,

2121
1:43:42 --> 1:43:45
he was about to stop his wonderful writings on the subject.

2122
1:43:45 --> 1:43:49
I said, John, one day your writings will be used

2123
1:43:49 --> 1:43:51
for teaching medical students and they will.

2124
1:43:51 --> 1:43:53
So keep going, my friend.

2125
1:43:53 --> 1:43:57
And thank you very much for having me on.

2126
1:43:57 --> 1:43:58
Andrew, can I just ask you,

2127
1:43:58 --> 1:44:00
have you seen the film Dopesick?

2128
1:44:00 --> 1:44:03
I haven't yet, I am very keen to see it.

2129
1:44:03 --> 1:44:05
So I just got myself a television.

2130
1:44:05 --> 1:44:07
I haven't had a television for a long time.

2131
1:44:07 --> 1:44:09
Have you read The Empire of Pain?

2132
1:44:09 --> 1:44:10
No.

2133
1:44:10 --> 1:44:12
Which is the book that is based on,

2134
1:44:12 --> 1:44:15
or I wondered whether it actually was based on that

2135
1:44:15 --> 1:44:17
and whether they'd taken the opportunity

2136
1:44:17 --> 1:44:22
to describe the opioid crisis in such a way

2137
1:44:22 --> 1:44:24
that people would recognise the parallels

2138
1:44:24 --> 1:44:27
with what's been going on for the past two and a half years.

2139
1:44:27 --> 1:44:28
Yes.

2140
1:44:28 --> 1:44:30
It's very, very interesting.

2141
1:44:30 --> 1:44:31
And it's like nudge, nudge.

2142
1:44:31 --> 1:44:34
It's an eight part series, I think.

2143
1:44:34 --> 1:44:36
I can't remember where you can see it,

2144
1:44:36 --> 1:44:37
but it's absolutely brilliant.

2145
1:44:37 --> 1:44:38
I've seen two parts of it.

2146
1:44:38 --> 1:44:41
I must see the other six.

2147
1:44:41 --> 1:44:42
I will be watching it.

2148
1:44:42 --> 1:44:43
Absolutely.

2149
1:44:43 --> 1:44:44
Thank you so much.

2150
1:44:44 --> 1:44:46
Thank you so much for coming.

2151
1:44:46 --> 1:44:48
We only have been almost two hours.

2152
1:44:48 --> 1:44:49
Thank you.

2153
1:44:49 --> 1:44:50
Thank you very much.

2154
1:44:50 --> 1:44:52
Thank you for organizing.

2155
1:44:53 --> 1:44:54
God bless you, Andrew.

2156
1:44:54 --> 1:44:55
God bless.

2157
1:44:55 --> 1:44:56
Bye bye.