recording. So welcome everybody to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics
International. And today's meeting this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost
during the darkest days of the COVID scam responses with a desire to pursue
truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government
and power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical
specialty is radiology. I'm Charles Kovest, the moderator of this group. I'm
Australasian passion provocateur and my jacket is red because red is the color
of passion. Last night I was surrounded by many passionate Asians. I wore my red
jacket Stephen, you'll be pleased to know. I practiced law for 20 years before
changing career 30 years ago and over the last 12 years I've helped parents
and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad
medical advice. I'm also the chief executive of an industrial hemp company.
We comprise lots of professions including doctors, lawyers, homeopaths,
journalists, scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers and
troublemakers and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that
vaccines were okay. Now many of us proudly say yes, we are passionate
anti-vaxxers. If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to
introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish a newslet or
a podcast or you have a radio or TV show or you've written a book, put the
links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you. Most of us
understand that we're in the middle of World War Three and that there are
various battle lines as part of this war. Some of us believe we're in a
continuation of World War Two. Most of us understand the development of science
and that the science is never settled. This meeting runs for two and a half
hours, after which for those with the time Tom Rodman runs a video telegram
meeting. Tom puts the links into the chat if you are able to join. We will
listen to Barbara Paulson and Suzanne Hart from Norway for as long as they
wish to speak and then we will have questions and answers. Stephen Frost, via
long established tradition, asks the first questions. There's no censorship.
It's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. Free speech is
crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. If you are
interested, if you're offended by anything, be offended. We're genuinely not
interested. We reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say
anything that may offend another. We come with an attitude and perspective of love
not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you. Love on the other hand
expands you. If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will
help people put the details into the chat, the meeting is recorded and is
uploaded onto the Rumble channel and all of our previous meetings are available
on the Rumble channel. I will put the link into the chat and now welcome to
our guest presenters today. Barbara Paulson, lawyer and Suzanne Hart,
politician and we thank you so much Barbara and Suzanne for giving us your
time and wisdom and insights and thank you again Stephen Frost for creating
this group and for organizing Barbara and Suzanne to speak to us. Over to you
Barbara and Suzanne, how do you want to run this over, you know, you're in charge.
I'm just, you know, Stephen and I are the mere attendees. No we're not.
Sure. Thank you both of you for coming. So Barbara and Suzanne, I had a bit of
trouble identifying who I was supposed to be talking to because you are the
speakers I worked out in the end on behalf of the mathematician but the
person I was talking to was a nurse as I understand.
Thomas Loken. Maybe I should answer because I'm the lawyer in the case. Sure
absolutely anyone either of you or both. Is there a nurse here who's involved in
this case I would be happy to say hi myself because I didn't know. But Barbara
I was talking to someone called Thomas Loken. Oh Thomas, yes he's on holiday now
as am I so this was thrown a little bit upon me but that's that's okay I was
preparing for the 15 so I was like writing some but probably I will have
the chance again hopefully. So I'm just gonna I think I said to you Susanne
that I would start. Okay. So Barbara we're very interested in a tyranny
Norwegian style. Can I just jump in a little bit I'm a local or a
regional politician in Norway has been opposing the COVID mandates and
strategies but this this case is definitely Barbara's case. I'm very on
the side here but I'm I support the work and would love to say a few things but I
would like to give the word to Barbara because she's the main speaker here I
believe. Oh no I don't think I'm the main speaker but maybe it's natural to
just take us through the legal stuff first and then we can move through and I
would say I work closely with Susanne both in preparing cases but also in
politics because I'm the mayor candidate of Oslo for this election so we are we
are running for City Council but that's that's another okay we are just to move
we are doing that just to create movements and waves. Yes. Could I say that if you could
emphasize as a lawyer the parts which you think are most egregious as far as
Norway is concerned. Okay. Western Europe and the United States and Canada
Australia New Zealand in particular those and Germany of course so you know
it might be different what's egregious in Norway and what's egregious in in those
other states so if you could if you but you may think Norway's just the same you
know we think in the same way I don't know. Well let me shortly introduce
myself I'm a lawyer and activist I'm from the north of Norway live in Oslo
had three children and a big family so most of these things happen just because
I try to protect my children because they were really hunting us down in Oslo to
test them and to put the vaccines in them and and I was fighting like like I
felt I was fighting for for their lives in our lives so it started there and I
became quite known quite short in a short amount of time because I did a
podcast in Norway and it took off and I really didn't know my country I didn't
know my own country maybe all of you had the same experiences but Norway is on
the surface very gently very we we ski we are polite we yet but under the surface
is a very cruel way of treating people in Norway because we have a lot of force
and so I've been working with the drug addicts for very many years and
volunteer as a lawyer and in penitent court and in force of psychiatric ward
and child security system where they are taking people's children so everything
that I think was all always there we have a like I said the bad and cruel
history of use of force in Norway many many decades tradition of cruel use of
force but it's subtle and people don't see it so if you don't get nor with the
rich country and most people are quite the financial good hearing in Norway so
most people never meet the system but the Kobe just released you know put the
shed the light on on on what was already there that's my point and this case of
Holland which is also here today on this assume my client he is the the most
principal case I've had but I have a lot of activists in psychiatric ward in
Norway and they are spread all over the country and my first case directly
to being an activist came in 2020 and that was a 26 year old girl who was half
Jewish and half Norwegian and she spoke four languages and she spoke very freely
about the Jews and what her view on the Palestinian conflict was so that was my
first meeting with the psychiatric way of treating persons in in Norway and
they are treated worse often than people who are arrested because if you get
arrested in Norway it's like the same you have the right to remain silent you
have the right to attorney you have all those rights and they are telling you
that of course it's it's not a just penalty court system either but in the
psychiatric field you never get written this rights so but you still have the
same force because in this case and in the 2020 case and the ten other I have
inside in wards now as we speak they all have the same history by being picked up
at their door and they knock on the door it doesn't matter if it's early
morning or in the night while you're sleeping or yeah and then there are
always minimum four persons to from health and to police officers and they
all they start just asking saying that we have had a message that you and we
are worried about you are you okay it starts with that so if you refuse they
will take you by force and if you are able to be calm like in the last case
the whole long case and they can take you with force but you have to go so
it's it's the same but you don't have to to to experience violence in physical
way so I don't know if you heard about norwin being convicted the child what's
the what's it called in in Britain or in the United States when protection yeah
the child protection services has escalated in as I see it because I also
have a lot of those cases and it's there it's a hundred but same and the same way
of dealing with those two fields the same methods the same way of reporting
how the unstable parents are or the unstable man that posts too much on
it's it's it's a method and it's so it every report I read it's the same and
now when I with this last case everything for me just fall fell into
place because then I could just see it like in the matrix in the movie I could
see the way they are doing it and it's always the same is the indoctrinated
way of being tired tyrants and and the use of force is like it's so well hidden
I've been working in this field for so many years it's so brilliantly well
hidden that I actually understand why people think they are doing a good job
they are really believing that they try to help hold on or all the other you have
probably talked about it yourself but I also have a lot of doctors have been
helping in the last years and some of the doctors which has been very activist
as well have also experienced the use of the psychiatric field to unstable you as
to take away all your integrity and all you so and I don't know my experience is
that the whole system of Norway has just now is in one way it's falling apart
because now the whole long case showed something different it differed from the
other cases because they they had to lie and when they are starting to lie there
is something totally different from what I've experienced because they didn't have
to lie before but now they they have to lie and if you disecate all the papers
here and you can see that there were no acquaintances of him probably calling
the police and telling that he was unstable and posted too much high
frequently post on Facebook it was probably higher up but it was I won't
speculate too much because that's not a good idea when you still are a lawyer in
the matrix system but it seems like this was a failure operation because this man
had a lot of friends this man had people coming to the hospital every day the
media in Norway and alternative media of course but media writing about it and
putting pressure on the hospital so they just had to release him because everything was illegal
is that that was what differed this case from the other case I I know and they are all the same but
this time there was a little bit like if you're cheating on someone you were taken with your
pants down it felt a little it felt a little bit like that so I must say I I felt a little
threatened myself the couple of days after I've been running quite many court cases against the
state of Norway and the last three years I have one case in the Supreme Court now with the PCR
test my client was convicted as criminal felon for passing the border from Sweden to to Norway
a healthy very healthy young man and this case is now in the Supreme Court and I have this
nurse who got fired for not testing and she we are now going to second appeal court on that case
and in that case it came 75 audiences came with their camping chairs and it was like a big circus
people are really now supporting they are showing their support like in the whole long case so I
must say I'm not quite sure because so many cases I have now is not isn't final so this autumn will
be probably for me the most legal exciting half a year because we also gonna sue the state for
this 33 year young man dying from 21 days after the Pfizer shot and the widow immediately contacted
me so I could secure his body when it was still in the hospital it was right after he died and
we had some doctors in Norway brave doctors and pathologues to two of them who has now gone
through all the materials and we ordered the autopsy at in the book art method and you know
I just got to go on book on book art on a book art yes and so we have done so much research in
that case and now we're suing in in that case as well and they the external doctors and independent
doctors in that case had all of them said this is a vaccine that and it's a clear is a very clear
case because he got sick was lying in bed with two children on for six years and he got six and
seventeen hours later he was dead and they now try to conclude that it was a COVID death and now
we came with our report and so now this the case has stopped and we are like in in them in that so
a lot is happening for me and I've been quite lonely I haven't had many colleagues who are
been willing to take these cases and they write they are critical and they are many people are
helping me in the background but Norway is a very special country I must say Norway is maybe I don't
know I I don't live any other place than Norway but we have so many leaders of in Europe that are
Norwegians we have Jens Stoltenberg which is a NATO chief we have two of the top leaders of
VEF World Economic Forum we have Gro Harlem Bruntlem in WHO we have so many people in high degrees
in the top positions of the world so maybe it's the I don't have any documentations for saying
this but I have a feeling that there is so much darkness hidden here in Norway that maybe it's a
country that is shaman said to me once in 2013 the head he said it in northern Norwegian he's a very
wise man and he said and the snake the head of the snake is here in Norway here is all the evil if
you can conquer the evil in Norway the rest of the western world will become healthy and I said to
him wasn't that a little bit over the top over the top and he was just like explaining explaining
it to me then and after covid it's just like so many deceives from the politicians of selling our
country abroad piece by piece by piece and let me say one thing to that because that I think it's
so interesting because we all have this the circle is ending you know in the 1990s there was a lawyer
called Sunova Fjellbak Tafte. She was in Brussels she was rewriting the EOS deal because Norway is
not in the EU but we have a trade deal with the union it's called EOS she was writing this she
was a top jurist in the Norwegian government and then she notified we had people's voting
and everybody 80 percent 70 80 percent in Norway said no to becoming a member of the EU
and then they made the EOS and Sunova the lawyer top lawyer very down to earth
typical Norwegian woman she notified that the EOS deal was against the constitution of Norway
because it meant the deal meant that Norway would be sold piece by piece and it was illegal like
betrayal of the country and she was committed to psychiatric ward picked up when she came back from
Norway they called her back to Norway she went up north to her family and then she was
picked up by force police help and she was really really they tried to destroy her for many many
years in psychiatric ward giving her very hard medicines and attacking her family over and over
again and you know that's 30 40 years ago and now we see that this case has been suppressed
for so long but now people are starting to talking about talk about the Sunova case after the Håland
case and so something is happening in Norway but I still think that the activists of Norway are
a little bit vulnerable right now because they are doing very many desperate measures
and they don't follow the law in the same way they did before so something has changed but it
we will see this autumn what will happen here in Norway because we have so many principal cases
going in the highest appeal courts so yeah I could say a lot more about the Håland case I
don't know if Thomas have sent you anything we have I have things in writing I could send
so you could read it but I think maybe because we are not
we are not going to give up that case we are going to follow up and we are going to get in the bottom
of it and two mainstream channels have just called me and want to write about it the biggest channels
in Norway we have NRK and you have Morgan Bladet so what they are going to write and how far they
can take it and I've been in a radio show now and mainstream the biggest one in the east of Norway
the biggest one in the eastern part of Norway where there are most people so there are something
happening here. Wow Barbara that's there are many questions I'm sure many of us have but that's a
wonderful wonderful overview and that is such an interesting idea Suzanne will come to you
Susanna I will come to you in a moment and just the thought of a hidden tyranny that's very you
know hidden tyranny through niceness that's an intriguing idea so thank you for sharing that
and Susanna we'll hear from you and then we'll don't worry we'll have plenty of questions for
you and Stephen's got plenty and I've got plenty so Susanna and current elected politician and you
started your a new party so please please share your thoughts. Thank you Charles yeah I'm Susanna
Susanne Hart and I've been an elected politician for eight years now I just want to start with
saying that I never wanted to become a politician at all because it felt like so wrong the whole
system I am an entrepreneur at heart been working with startups all my life and also been helping
lots of people with personal development and myself I took I've done so much personal
development and studying myself my emotional states my mental states my spiritual states
and diving into it and I must say that I love your intro Charles about the fear and love because
that's what everything is about in my opinion we only have two states it's either going up or it's
going down and the times we are in now is kind of extreme in both directions at once and that means
a transformation I think of society and of our consciousness so I'm not a traditional politician
but I went into politics and I became elected for the Green Party eight years ago and of course
you know when I'm in love with nature I'm in love with humanity and just the thought of being
a part of maybe changing society a little bit in a better direction was something I felt I had to do
because when I worked with people I saw that even though people found their inner strength their
power their their connection to something some some of their potential as human beings
the system would always stop them somehow and that felt so frustrating to me
because I know that when people are thriving inside and they are empowered and they're like
the unique flower that you see behind me you can beat me here I think everyone has potential every
everyone is unique and just experiencing that people are kind of being opposed by the system
that we have we call a democracy that upset me so I wanted to go to go into politics and try to
change the system because it didn't do good for people but that was not so easy even though I was
an entrepreneur and lots of ideas and will to do something it was not very easy because what
happened was that I became a part of this very very strange system and in the beginning I thought
why is it like this why can't we do why can't we just work with solutions to make life better for
people but I was kind of dragged into this hamster wheel of just you know being for or against these
small little things that was not really important and after a few years I just I couldn't help but
diving even deeper into what is democracy what is it what is this thing we call democracy because
you know I'm one of very very few people being elected to become a representative for the people
and even though I can't do anything there's nothing I can do I'm just I have to be part of a
of a ship that is sailing in one direction and I can't do anything to change it I just have to be
part of it and and kind of thrive in the in the glory and and and the power of being an elected
politician that didn't feel meaningful to me at all so I dived into the system trying to find out
to hack the democratic code and and then after four years I decided I couldn't do it anymore
because it was like I couldn't change anything so but something told me to not give up after all
and I took four more years and and I'm so happy I did because that was when COVID started and I
then I understood why I was on the inside of this system this very strange system that we call
democracy but it's not really a democracy it's so I I remember I did I was invited to do a space
TEDx talk in 20 beginning of 2020 and I actually talked about what I had discovered within the
democratic system and how everything is centralized instead of being decentralized like if if people
really govern the society it's decentralized but something has to something to go over and just
centralize the whole thing so even even if we're not a member of the EU in Norway we're still
governed by the EU basically and by UN and you know a lot of institutions that are not
democratic at all and so when COVID started first I was really scared about the whole thing because
I thought it was as dramatic as it was presented and when the vaccine started being developed
I saw what is going on here this is not
right because I could I could I could sense the force I could sense the manipulation I could sense
all of these things and us the politicians we were kept out of it everything just rolled
so even though we are kind of representing people we couldn't do anything so we had to conform
but I couldn't do that so I had to be that rebel that represented all the people in Norway that
was refusing to take the vaccine was just listening to their own inner voice
I had I woke up one morning and I had to represent them because nobody else did
so I sent a letter an open letter to the prime minister and asked her to pause the vaccination
and that made me famous in the whole of Norway and made me the scapegoat for
all the fear it felt like so I was like that was a major event in my life but I never regretted
and it just made me stronger when I got you know two ministers in the newspapers or in the media
telling that I'm kind of dangerous because I'm asking to pause the vaccination until we have
enough safety data on long term and it just made less and less sense the whole thing so
as this has just moved on it just made me stronger in in in protecting the Norwegian population
that felt pressured or didn't want to do the vaccine thing so I'm these things I'm
so I'm these three years last three years has been very strange I also did a
a presentation in the county council council that has gone kind of viral on rumble
about the vaccines that was less than a year ago and so I've become a spokesperson on the inside
so a representative in Norway that can speak for all of us and I met Babu in this work of course and
and she has accepted to become like the
candidate for a mayor in Oslo through my new initiative that I started
uh one and a half years ago it's it's a democratic people's movement that is not
a political party but it's the whole focus is giving people back the power giving the power back
to the democratic power back to the people through 10 very simple principles instead of having any
political program so it's so I'm so happy that we have now um five cities in Norway and four counties
that are running for election and 72 beautiful people and almost all of them are uh the freedom
fighters from the pandemic and so Barbara was one of them and and when this whole case came up a
few weeks ago now it's also for me heartbreaking because realizing as representative that people
are basically being in one way arrested or taken away their freedoms because they
have opinions or act in different ways or being being their unique flower I want to be unique I
want to be I don't want to be like everyone else I am unique everyone is and we should be we should
tolerate each other and we should tolerate each other's opinions and listen instead of um this
this tendency now global that everyone should just do the same thing and there's only one thing that
is right it's deeply upsetting me and I think we have to gather as humanity not only in groups
like the groups that has been challenged but we have to look at it like it could happen to me
tomorrow or to somebody tomorrow if the system is so cold and cynical it's not like it should be
at all so um I'm I really applaud both Haaland for being such a strong person being calm in the
situation and and Babel dealing with this case with such a brilliance and um yeah and everyone
that is working for humanity's freedom because what we're facing is just a very upsetting
um scenery with the centralized power and the centralized power also has all the technocrats
um with them and also the AI it will be kind of the power on steroids uh steroids and that's not
something we want we want the opposite we want to bring the people back neither people power back
to the people again and I'm a strong believer of um I think everyone should live from inside out
and not being forced to live from the outside in because that's not natural so thank you for
letting me speak here I didn't plan anything and I don't know what you want to know but
Susanna that is that is wonderful and thank you for sharing your truth thank you
for standing again and we will have plenty of questions and comments now for both of
for both of you but it's it is it is a wonderful story and I think a reminder to all of us that
many people who end up as politicians or someone put the comment in the chat you know that the
best politicians are those who don't want to be politicians um so it would be it would be lovely
to get your 10 principles Suzanne if you can put that in the chat or somebody can put it in the
chat or Heiko might be able to put it in the chat in English because it could be a wonderful guide
for us in other municipalities and states and one of the as Stephen's getting his questions ready
one of the crucial issues for all of us and Barbara I'm so pleased you're standing for
election in local municipalities we are all learning we are all learning the importance of
taking an interest in local government you know at the at the bottom level rather than going at
the top where you've just told us you can't get anything done but at the bottom levels we can do
do things and this question of centralization and Dave Rasnik is here he addressed us and Dave
Rasnik introduced us to the book the breakdown of nations a 1957 book Suzanne I recommend it
because this book by Leopold Kaur I hadn't never heard of it said that the biggest problem with
anything that fails the number one biggest problem is bigness things are too big and so that's what
you've also reminded us you know that when the EU is controlling everything no one's in control except
the head of the snake perhaps and this question of coming back into smaller local decision making
the power with the people it's in it's it's clearly the message is coming through so
that's really struck a chord with me you go too big it's uncontrollable and then evil
takes place so thank you both Barbara and Suzanne Stephen over to you for first questions and
then other people put your hands up we've got two hands up already people with their hands up and
and as Stephen will have assured you Barbara and Suzanne there will be no shortage of questions
for you so Stephen so Charles Charles I've just thought while you were speaking then about the
bigness thing I think it's a combination so this is the first time I've articulated this but
it just struck me that it's the combination of the bigness thing which they're pushing
but also in the reverse direction possibly super specialization so that nobody
understands so there are two reasons why they don't understand the bigness
because when you've got everybody super specialized they can't actually join the
docs that that's what they're not what they've been trained to do very good so I think that
and the only way you can undo you can join the dots is by having people like Suzanne and Barbara
who are obvious you know recognizable as human beings and authentic and they understand it
because of something that's happened in their lives or what they've inherited from
their parents and and it would be very interesting well maybe oh well I'd like to ask
Suzanne first what do you think Stephen before you Stephen before you do Thomas Loken is here now
so he's tell us do you want to say anything thank you for well hang on forget the question
then okay you go your question so um so I was going to ask you Suzanne and also we'll we'll
lose the temporal relationship between what Suzanne has said and what what I'm going to ask
uh now and what so Suzanne I just wonder whether you're able to tell us maybe something about your
childhood or your uh adolescence that maybe made you think in the way that you do because I think
you're rather unusual um and there are many people in this group I've noticed who are a little bit
unusual including myself I never realized I was always bumping into brick walls and never
understood why I do now because I was all the while blowing the whistle in the eyes of these
um miscreants um and um but on the other hand I think I was protected rather like you because I
think you're very likable I think to some extent I'm likable and that saved me they didn't go for me
um because actually people wanted to be with me even if they thought that I was a bit of a loose
cannon in their eyes you know and I just wondered what whether you what you would say you know what
do you think is the biggest influence on your life thank you for that question um I think that
from early childhood I've been inspired by my mother because she's been kind of brave to
um to voice her opinion especially when for her when children was involved she spoke for the
children always and and became kind of unpopular because of that sometimes but she she was a very
lovely person so she uh she kind of um survived it um and uh I think I learned some things from
her she also worked with um helping alcoholics when I was a child and I I also saw that these
people were beautiful they were just um they had um challenges that made them go downhill
but they were basically they had a core of very lovely people um so things like that of course
has helped me but um I think mostly it's been my
my quest in my own life just wanting to hack life kind of seeing life as something good something
magical and not giving up on that when I went into politics it was awful in the beginning because
it's so hard and cynical but my strategy then has been just never attack and never defend myself
just state my truth and smile so it's taken me a long time to realize it in the last three and a
half years because I was absolutely shocked what happened in 2020 um but uh I think that the way
that people like uh you me and many others in this group we've got 1500 members who uh are invited
to twice weekly meetings and uh it kind of rotates you know who attends and who doesn't
but they're all invited they were personally invited by members of the group and so it's a
huge resource which you can we offer to you and to barabro in the future um I forgot what the
question was so many um it'll come back to me uh so I just wanted so you were wondering what
happened when you and and barabro as well can answer this um when uh you got to uh be a
politician when you first arrived there and now I understand after three and a half years that this
what we've seen in the last three and a half years was a global coup d'etat in March 2020
and we're still waiting to find out whether it's successful or not and we need to win this um uh
battle for our countries they want to get rid of nation-states they want to get rid of the
middle classes uh they want to so the middle classes are very important um I've had it
explained to me you've got the oppressed and the oppressors uh and if you've got a disinterested
a relatively disinterested middle class who don't think that they're oppressed uh they're very
important on checking the oppressors uh get rid of those the middle class and you can do that by
many means uh so through the climate change nonsense you can tell people that they've got
to do this and that to their houses and oh by the way it's going to cost you a hundred thousand
pounds you know which is about a million uh norwegian kroners roughly I don't know what the
norwegian kroner is against the pound uh and then a lot of people are going to make the wrong
decision and say I can't afford that you know instead of opposing the proposed changes they'll
say we can't afford that and they'll sell their houses then they become the oppressed so this is
in my the in my view this is all about trying to impose totalitarian totalitarianism on on uh the
western world in particular um and um and actually we've never been free and it's been shocking to me
to realize this that you know I was misled just as everybody else was misled that the whole world is
based on lies and so all the the higher uh ideals that I had um I've had to rethink you know that
actually I was naive I didn't understand what was going on but so but at least we formed this group
and and uh learned through having different speakers and then I came to understand and I
don't think I would have understood without this group I didn't make it for that reason or didn't
form it for that reason but that was the result so I think you will understand that you do the
right thing uh not because you're going to be rewarded at the end of the process but because
it's the right thing but the interesting thing is that when you do the right thing you do get
rewarded but that's not the reason you do it um so I just wonder whether you've got any comments to make
yeah I would just end with the saying that I totally agree with you when it comes to you know
doing things from your heart is totally different from from doing it for a reward
I really I totally mean it that I've never regretted one second on what I've done because
even though I've been kind of attacked from all angles because I couldn't have survived not
doing it because yes exactly yeah so um I think strong sense of the importance of truth because
without truth you people can't take responsibility and if they can't take responsibility then there
can be no morality and that means in turn that there can be no society either uh worth supporting
so um Barbara I wonder whether you
oh yeah I'm here just one second
hi hi there were some ringing on the door I'm in Tromsø in my father's place right now
I've got with a lawyer father and a teacher mother and I've been fighting my whole life
against the conservative lawyers and with the support of my very critical thinker rebellion mom
so it's in my blood it has always been like that so for me covid just even turned the light even
just letting me get out there and do what I was supposed to do what I've always been doing
in a way it's not to size sound like a flosco or a sentimental but it's the truth but it's been very
hard for me as well as Susanne you said in your presentation that you uh I quote quite lonely uh
I think you possibly meant very lonely but anyway um uh I just wondered whether you know whether
I can introduce you to people like Lars Johansson and Mats Palsvik in Denmark
Lars Johansson in in Sweden do you know either of those two people no right oh well I can
introduce you and also I can do that for you Susanne um these are people you should be in
touch with um I wanted to ask both of you
so the the word in Swedish um because my wife is Swedish so I know Swedish I've worked in Sweden
for I can't quite remember now so eight years was it um eight years then two and a half and then one
um so yeah just over 10 years and I learned Swedish uh so I qualified as a radiologist in Sweden
um and so I had to know Swedish to a pretty high level but but I was never comfortable speaking
Swedish um because I never really uh did speak Swedish in Sweden in a social situation so anyway
point is I wanted to know what so I got to hear of what was going on in Sweden with Barn
so-called you know child uh whatever you call it what what would that be uh child care yes
and also um the what's that word that I was introduced to by one of my good friends who
was in the military who's also a medical doctor and I first arrived in Sweden something called
it's a similar word in in Norwegian can you tell me what that word is
Suzanne I think yeah I guess what did you say again
the children could be yeah yeah sorry I just had to to I didn't hear the the last so my friend who
was a doctor he was in the military as well but he was from the Finnish border um I think just on
the Swedish side but I'm not sure about that but anyway he was a bit different and he was very
very bright and he explained to me that Sweden wasn't quite what it appeared to be and that there
were more children taken away from their parents in Sweden per head of population than any other
country in the world and it was called fongs on hendertogna or something can you remember that
it's the same but Norway and Sweden are approximately the same when it comes to
taking away children from parents and like and um so people on the call in America in particular
won't and maybe in the UK too won't understand that in Sweden it was considered so my friend
was onto this and he told me very early in my stay in Sweden that this was going on and I was really
shocked because the state it seemed seemed to think that they knew how to bring up children
better than the parents the natural parents you know of course and of course they are they are
saying that in Norway so that's uh that's it's it's it's you you bitch all of you who are listening
to this chat now would be shocked if you listen to this system talking to normal parents
in Norway it's like you are going into the kindergarten and they are speaking to you
like you are an adult you have a house you have a job you have four children and a girl in
27 years old no children herself very fresh in her job are really standing there telling
the parents what they do not do in the right way so it's it's absurd and it's
I have no words because it's the patria what's the name of the state who takes over as the
the king of the no the father of the country it's a it's a term I have it in my natural law
oh
patriarchy no not patriarchy but it's a parents patri doctrine and it's when the states go in
as the father of the children of the state it's that socialist experience marxist
uh was way of thinking and if you get into the system like I am in child support and psychiatric
cases if you are talked to as a child in the kindergarten exactly so my friend also said and
this was um you know this was in the 80s that um that uh children in Sweden so he was making fun
of the he had a kind of Finnish sense of humor and he could even though he was Swedish he could
make fun of it he said that um children then in Dargis so called you know this is the kind of child
estate child nursery so and uh you're supposed to be grateful for this even though it comes from
your own taxes but they were taught how to uh so knäckebröd you know the hard bread so the Swedish
bread at least has big holes on one side and small holes on the other or deep holes on one side and
shallow holes on the other and children were taught at Dargis how to butter this knäckebröd
now maybe he was exaggerating is that possibly true yeah but I can say that you could have
child support on the door if you have one hole in the tooth of your child in Norway now
yeah wow honestly I'm not lying I had a case they had four children and they run a small little
company together and one other child he had inherited with his father's uh set of teeth a
little weak teeth here in the back and the other two girls the one was the baby so but the other
two girls had so strong teeth no holes no nothing but the son had and they called the child support
and it was a big case and they had to pay all their costs to me but I kept it very low and I
did it very effectively because I was so pissed off the way they treated them so they they closed
the case but it took four months and a lot of time spent for the struggling family who tried to save
their company after covid so I was just like are we there are we there now in Norway that you have
a hole in the tooth and then you call the child support they had nothing else on that family
so um I think it's true that uh in Sweden uh there was forced sterilization
forced sterilization going on in Sweden until 1975 is that correct and then the law was changed
I can't confirm because I'm not sure but in Norway we had the psychiatric mass grave
on the main hospital in Oslo called Goasta and they've written a book about it where they
lobotomized the Norwegian women who got children with the German soldiers
so they they created a mass grave for all those victims of the psychiatry in Norway so it wouldn't
um you know I I would not be surprised I wouldn't so I was going to ask you so um you if you don't
know whether it's going on in Sweden until then I was going to ask you so what's the situation
in Norway and possibly you don't know
well sterilization with forced sterilization were they doing it until 1975 as well
I wouldn't be surprised but I'm not sure I would probably I could dig into it but was this done
in the psychiatric wards or no no forced sterilization was possible well maybe yes maybe
but um I don't know exactly the details but I just know that as a general um you know forced
sterilization was going on in Sweden until 1975 well I the only way I could really see that
as a reality it would be in a subtle way because all forcing Norway is quite subtle you can do it
in the hospitals you can do it in the psychiatric wards you could do it in in other subtle ways I
don't think that the Swedish or the Norwegian state would just like announce that now we are
going to force we don't have that way of forcing yes but if it's maybe but Barbara I noticed you
using the word force and I was wondering whether you meant coercion because in my book coercion
is still force don't you think yeah of course yeah but if that's true well uh I have I'm uh I'm
speechless actually well yes but you know we had the covid propaganda in the UK uh and as far as
I know throughout the western world they were saying that you need to protect your grandmother
they were saying this to children in the UK you need to protect your grandmother that's why you
need to wear a mask and that's why you need to stay six feet away from her absolutely outrageous
coercion and psychological torture in my view and I think in the UK I couldn't understand what was
wrong with the people um uh after all these lockdowns um but then I realized that they
were acting like children uh and that they had been psychologically tortured into a state of
Stockholm syndrome yeah yeah but I think like I said in earlier in Norway we had the oil money
since 1975 and Norway has been a rich country and even the poor country people in Norway had a
quite a good life before so we have as a collective in Norway a quite blind faith in the government
hmm exactly the same yeah the same with Sweden we have collectively a blind faith it's it's
so people said to me babbro you'll like this my they said to me why have Sweden had no lockdowns
and I used to say to them with a smile on their face my face saying they don't need lockdowns in
Sweden the people are already in the matrix as you put it
it was the same in Norway shocking it really is shocking so anyway Charles the land of the Vikings
the land of the Vikings yes successors of the Vikings yeah all right let's get some
let's get some other let's get some other questions I've got a string of questions
the and thank you Suzanne for posting the 10 principles everybody please consider in the chat
those 10 principles of the new I said not freedom not not new political party new freedom
group so that's in the chat I have other questions but well let's go to Janet first
hi excuse me thanks very much it's very very interesting um the Hallam case was mentioned
on a few occasions but I'm not actually familiar with that and I was wondering whether you could
summarize summarize the the case and and what happened there please
yes I can do that I also posted in a word document in this chat um translation of an article who was
uh uh who was written in a newspaper in Norway and so I had help translating it and I also
and I had I wrote co-wrote wrote it but the whole one was picked up at his home
um
at home in the morning with the two from health and two police officers a very young doctor who
asked him a lot of questions and he remained calm and he was uh he had a very good friend of him he
he said who was saying to holland
you you muted yourself then barbara yeah yeah and um and and from harald put up his hands so
everybody knows who we're talking about hello thank you
thank you if holland wants to talk about it himself it's okay with me I can do the the legal
firms but if if he wants to to tell the story himself maybe that's more authentic
are you able to do that
I think he's muted is he
um
sorry I see yes okay um barbara was gone now where are you there I'm I'm here I just have a lot of
family running around here now because I was alone when we started and now everybody's home
I'm not at home I'm on holiday so that's why it's a little bit messy to sit here and
remain calm yeah so do you so you're his lawyer so hang it holland is that holland there um
who just spoke no that is the helper of the chetil he's been writing a lot of a lot of
a lot of a lot of articles and been really the man behind all the spread both in twitter and in
in facebook and in instagram so he's been writing this case in norwegians and helping a lot of
journalists do and he's done an amazing job we could not have spread this case without yet it
so he's the publicity um guy yeah yeah very good yeah and um so janet's question
barbara just in terms of more of the holland case
yeah they broke the terms of all the terms of the law the law is quite strict when it comes to use
of force on a citizen and there are certain ground rules that has to be
checked off as 100 to even be able to force somebody into um it's like an arrest this
situation is the same as an arrest but the the citizen who is forced into the the police car
he's not read his rights but holla knew this so he chose to say that i don't want to talk to you
without a lawyer and then i came into the to the case a little bit earlier that day but
none of the ground rules of the law was followed in this case because um yeah it's it's a little
bit hard for me to talk in judicial language here but you have to be as a volunteer
voluntarily have to be tried that's one term you have to have some kind of try on a volunteer way
of helping a person you have to be a danger to yourself or others this was never even
questions or because the hospital they said that he was never a danger to anyone and the doctor said
that he got a message that holland has posted frequently on facebook that he was going into a
psychosis or money or in any you know mania mania in mania mania yes and then he was forced into
this kind kind of paragraph article 302 in in this law which gives the hospital 24 hours
to observe the the person to see if that he's really crazy or not and they have to admit him or
take him use the next article to force him into to to to to stay there for a longer time
and none of this was he wasn't observed he wasn't he he wasn't doing anything all the
reports say that he was polite well dressed fully aware of everything was happening explaining
himself there was no signs of anything that the claimer had said to be the case in in this case
and like i also said earlier you cannot as a private person just call 911 in norway and say
we have a mentally ill person who's posting a lot of posts on facebook they will say well
the health in norway we don't have persons we are kneeling we don't have the time sorry he has to
do something before we can pick him up so that it has had to be it has to be somebody from the
police or somebody high up because you can't just not you can't make a phone call like that
so many people have tried to really admit really crazy persons running around naked or
or doing this stuff you can't get them picked up because they don't have the capacity in norway
because the health system in norway is really kneeling it's collapsing you have waitlist in
norway for up to two years to have small things done so my best friends our best friends here in
in tromsø they are one of them are neurosurgical surgical surgical doctor you know neurosurgery
yes and he said now for the first time he was honest and he said that we have so long waitlists
now in the hospital system that it's better now to actually tell the patients that you are not
going to come in to have a surgery because we don't have the time you have to wait for at least one
year one and a half year two years and now in this case this this man that's never any history of
violence or anything it's just like oh he is posting high frequently for a couple of days
and we just have to go and get him and and he's normal he talks like a normal person
and explains himself and they still they are holding him for 10 days and then why why so the
mathematician i can understand why they want to nail the mathematician i don't know the name of
that mathematician by the way but um but holland holland i think it is um i don't understand why
they wanted to go for him what was he doing that they didn't like there was such a threat to the
norwegian state well he um press charges against the health minister of norway one year earlier
because the vaccination of the children and they reported him to the police and write a long letter
and he's been really using the numbers you know telling him telling the stories through
numbers and and putting out the articles and also going to the police stations with other
persons and actually pressing charges against the health minister so bebro is holland the
mathematician that we're talking about or are they two different people no it's the same
all right okay all right all right that's why the confusions are isn't them because i thought
i didn't realize that holland was the mathematician yeah it is so what happened to him then is it is he
still held was he released what 10 days he was released yeah and we had this mini court system
in norway so then the lawyer turns turns up and and we have this one hour uh mini court case with
four judges one lawyer one doctor with more than 25 years of experience and two like from the people
and then you present the case and your witnesses and i had so many it's called the control
commission i had so many cases for the cake the kk like we call them and i've never in my life
experience that the person held on those very serious accusations of being a very very sick
or mental ill man could walk out the door with me and the crew and the friends and the family who
turned up that day and and we haven't got the you know you have to explain why you what what's the
name in english you have to the court has to to form um prosecution prosecution yeah or conclusion
in that conclusion they have to not take it step by step or the judgment you mean yes we haven't
it wow still we haven't got it but he could they they they um they let him go and uh he could walk
out with us uh that day and i've never seen anything like that because they always use a day or two
and they never release a person on the spot like that so there was something very odd with with
this case but we are going to dig more into it to get the answers and there are so many
beautiful souls working on the case like kjerti and all the the people of stavanger
which also susanne is from stavanger and it's in the western side of norway where the oil was
the main capital of the oil industry in norway so he has just like had an army
of engage people who has yeah he couldn't have done this without and that's also a very key
thing to think about because i have many hollands to put it like that in the psychiatric wards
around norway like i said but many of them they don't have the media covering they don't have
so many friends turning up but they don't have family because often family is the one who reports
it and they are scared as well because the hospital they use like a method to divide the families
like in the child security system exactly what they did with covid yes yes so cruel and you see
what they're doing it's pure evil yeah and and i think my strength now as a lawyer
the company i work for in oslo we are 50 lawyers and i could never have been so free if my boss
didn't know who what i was doing and he said to me one of the main reasons we hired you and wanted
here is not because i have an exceptionally analytic
law brain because i'm quite creative i've been working for the in the music industry for many
years but like they said you know the game so i use their game against them i use the humanity
and i turned the mirror instead of just like taking my final procedure and being a lawyer
so there are lots of people where you have no idea who will see this video so can you explain
as a lawyer the importance of no one getting lost in a psychiatric system no matter in which country
because as you've just said if you have no allies and many don't or they desert you or whatever you
know if you have no allies you get lost in the system and obviously once you realize that you're
getting stuck in it you might make a noise about it and then they have they then say that you
you really are crazy you know and you would be crazy you and i would be crazy if we were falsely
accused falsely in prison and so can you explain if you can that is the importance to everyone in
the world of what we're talking about now you know people getting lost in psychiatric systems
and child security systems and i would just say that the pattern for me which i have discovered
and taking also covid into that account it's the it's the it's the way to
capture people like you say capture them in the system because if you are just long enough in the
psychiatric ward and they give you this the plexa the suppression drug cplexa anti-psychotic
yeah they inject it to you and then you are a junkie after six to eight months with
injecting this you can't stop because is it chlorpromazine or something like that
chlorpromazine or something like that haiko might know
so
just before i lost my point major tranquilizer it is so and so they caused parkinsonian symptoms i
think from memory yeah and it's the same with the drug addicts in norway we have this system they are
going rolled into and it's a big pharmacosystem with the methadone and subutex you know it's a
lifelong commitment but when they actually write on the the contract i'm going to take methadone
they don't know that they are 10 years of their lives are stolen and they will not get off it's
the same with suprexa it's the same like the system with the child's security if you have one
case they will never let you go and if they see that you don't have allies if they see that you
are alone single mom single dad with bad finances you know it's so visible who they targeted out in
this and i must say of course there are cases that people are really in need of hospitalization
maybe they should have gone to some more healing place but they need to be taken out of society
because they're dangerous or there are bad parents you know violence and everything but
like i think it's in 90 90 percent of the cases is poor is poor people it's people who don't have
allies it's like it's good for these systems so it's the same with cove with the child security
it's just like i write on my natural law page which is my heart natural law it's it's companies
the states are companies and they need supplies for the companies and this are good money to earn
in this big farmica you know deals they have done internationally so it's corporate thinking
we are just papers on our social security number you know so but if you are over the red line like
the red line like i say i made the upper middle class middle class and up you don't have child
security on your door you don't have psychiatric coming up to your mansion with you know it doesn't
touch people like that it's just from this and down so but it might touch them it might touch
carry on with the compliance that we see now yes we got questions the beauty of it
because covid turned it around now is targeting even rich people so i have been contacted by so
many rich clients now because they are actually waking up and see that we are not even we are not
safe anymore so it's a good thing also because if you have clients with money they really fight
so yeah very good okay rose thank you janet for the first step i want to say ladies
thank you very much you're you're both wonderful and barbara first and foremost you're never alone
because this is definitely a global fight so you're not alone and before i get to my
quick question i wanted to let susanne know so many people say the quote power corrupts absolute
power corrupts absolutely but they forget the third part that power attracts the corrupt so
the fact that you don't want the job is the person who makes a good politician
barbara two questions for you the first is is the movie sound of freedom being released
over there and are people being able to watch it as far as the child trafficking being one of the
if not the biggest underlying issue to all of this with those in power and with children being
taken away from families and then the the second question i have for you is what legal strategy
are you using the most in your arguments because i'm finding here in the u.s. that so many basic
arguments are not being addressed and in particular i'll say inappropriate terminology of
even the term vaccination and the fact that they're illegally bypassing irb safety boards
or illegally acting as irb safety boards soliciting for research so those are my two main questions
for you okay i will start with the the last question because that really the question
itself resonated with me and i've been adjusting my the way i speak in court
by using my spiritual inner light because that was the only way to survive it because it was
like meeting a wall with the enemies all over the place in the beginning but now i have some
some ways of preparing and it's the it's the light work we did that in the whole line case me and
susanna it's it's not legal but it's like more using the legal terms and turning it around
so that the judges actually feel what i'm saying and not just standing there reading up what the
supreme court said and what the law is saying and and the way we practice the law but you know
really work on connecting this fact this case this unique case on the paragraphs of this field of law
and i can see it's working because we still have normal people not the judges like
um with the same degree as me as a jurist we have people of every professions in in the courtrooms
so my strategy has been just to
to humane to to make it human when i talk about poland or i talk about iris which is a nurse i
also talk about your daughter your your son your grandchildren where we're headed have you thought
about if we are going to to to lock up people who doesn't agree with us how will that affect
our all of our security when we go out on the town one one evening like i try always
to to turn the mirror to the audience and it really helps and to taking the divine
the spiritual delight into that courtroom have has given me some so many now magical
divine moments and i think that really happened in the whole land case that's the case i really
something really powerful happened in there because if you which i can say i'm maybe now man
are managing more and more
i want them to feel it not just listen but to feel what i'm saying and taking the court backs
the court backs to the people coming the audience all the people who are coming to the court cases
that we have now like up to 75 they had to take a courtroom to give to them and they were sitting
in the judges chairs and you know it was like even though the the clerk who worked there he was
he was more and more happy as the day went by and and you know just humanizing it again you know
taking back them the heart to the people's court and not just let them sit there in their black
robes and and and make but make them responsible that's my strategy strategy in every case now
what if it was your daughter beautiful
and your first question
i just wanted to answer the first question about the the film it's not in norway and it hasn't been
um shown any places here no it's not written about
i just have to say something and as a representative for the people like all politicians
or elected politicians should be i think it's really important to protect the people in
we are the sovereigns we are what constitutes the government we are
are
it's the individuals that together form the democracy and we are innocent until otherwise
proven that goes only both in the legal in criminal cases but also in in health you know
like if if it's you know people they can't just go and pick up somebody and put them in
locked up room like that like we've seen with holland it's so important what babel just said that
re-humanizing the system re-humanizing democracy re-humanizing law re-humanizing the whole society
to work for the best for people not for not to produce criminals produce
illness and traumas imagine how many people has been traumatized by this system that with that
comes with the intention of helping and it becomes a trauma trauma for them no this is not acceptable
and we need the system of the people in the system to see the consequences of treating each
other like that so i i'm i'm i so much agree with what babel just said we have to talk maybe less
legal language less professional language and more human language in all the systems
well said yes bringing your heart back to the court that's a strange concept barbara and susanne
thank you rose for those questions heiko
first of all i want to say that how happy i am that i have this beautiful
lawyer at my back that's why i can will i dare more than i usually would dare
than i usually would dare and something it was mentioned from of her about this
lobotomy hospital called gausta they were working together with the cia doing experiments
and i was working there in 76 and the the main doctor took me to the house
heiko you are from germany can you help me with a project and i i teach you hypnotherapy
such a what what you want your you know he has so many patients girls who have epiphrenia they
don't want to want to have a no difference between what's you they can't say no anyway
your job will be to sterilize everyone every girl here
so that's my experience with the service of psychage psychiatry and when i got
uh uh had gotten yeah did the things i did with the vaccine centers um i was called by the police
every day you have to come to a psychiatric evaluation because i think we you must have a
problem and i was terrified because i didn't want to get into the hospital and get these
medications in my arm and so it ended up that i went
voluntary to the psychiatrist psychiatrist who grilled me for two hours
and after that when when was this was that so in 76 you asked to take part in these experiments
on young girls no experiments anymore no experiments anymore that was a treatment
that was to fight them from getting pregnant yeah when was that then i could okay and but but are
you but then you went on to talk about what what was happening now is that right yes the last three
years and when i was can i explain it heiko okay yeah yeah heiko was doing a activist
action in oslo he and they went to the vaccine center and he stole his own vaccine because he
wanted to put it in the in the laboratory to check out what's in it and they arrested him and took
his shot from his arms i've seen the video everything is filmed it was
quite funny actually only in norway but anyway i had the case for for heiko and he was called in
to do a very very deep and long psychiatric evaluation and that the police was terrorizing
him and then i took the correspondence with between him so he could just relax a little bit
but he was really scared and they scared him everybody would be terrified because they want
him into the hospital to evaluate his psychiatric health and then we we made a deal he took the
i said to heiko you don't have to do it but he wanted to do it just to get it over with because
they didn't give up on him wanted to sleep
what i wanted to sleep again yeah he couldn't sleep he was very scared and
and so so he he had to go in and do that and i was as a lawyer i was scared myself because
it was so massive this was in 21 yeah and then you found us heiko no yeah even before but
the psychiatrist well i had my my spy glasses on and filmed the whole session again like when i
was trying to to steal my vaccine and and he said well i can't find anything wrong with you but you
have to understand you have to get a punishment i hope you have a good punch because you will
lose your license that was the deal
sorry the deal was that you lost your license yes instead of getting into psychiatric hospital
well that was in 21 in norway 21 years
yeah in a kangaroo court no it was no court only with the doctor only the psychiatrist who was
evaluating him so so barbara why couldn't you defend heiko it's outrageous that they
we have we have followed up with the case with a complaint to the top
to the top uh uh with this case so it's not settled
just to get this clear you mean you were coerced into into doing a deal with these bastards
um not that way he's just that to told me at the end okay i can't find anything wrong
but you have to you have to get i think you have to count on that you will lose your license
that's what he said yes so what and so who took your license away from you him or the board
medical board you didn't volunteer to lose your license no no so you mean that he had direct
communication with the board yes well yeah the other thing is that i uh i used the hydroxychloroquine
and this the boss of the other director director of the medical what you call it
so not association but a group in norway he said well you shouldn't do it and i did anyway so all
hundreds prescriptions i wrote only one pharmacist accused me heiko who was it the doctor who said to
you that you'll have to lose your license or if you don't do that then we're going to have to get
you in for an evaluation is that right psychiatric evaluation no i know he just said uh we we can't
find anything but uh you have you have he just wanted to help me i think you have to count you
have to be ready for losing your license and then i lost my license
all right but i also i also accused the this director who said no to high toxic chloroquine
and so on and for for being uh behind mass murder three times so in your view do you think that the
state was cooperating at a high level so the medical board was cooperating with the
with the people who wanted to do a psychiatric valuation on you very much yes especially
all right thank you thank you thank you thank you sounds like the soviet union
um i just have to say that one thing because this is my last day of holiday and my father just
arrived and i have two of my three children in here so i have to abort now but uh and i really
do we have trond holland here just before you go you have to go and schuzanne is here trond
he's fixed his microphone
hello yes okay
is it okay that i abort now trund yes it's okay
i don't know i'm just you need some yeah later yeah but i want to before i go i want to thank you
so much for inviting me on this and i can say it's been for me as a lawyer quite alone i've
also been a little bit scared sometimes so i'm deeply grateful that this now is been lifted out
of norway and it means a lot and i also so you all can check out i have a client called simon goddick
he is on twitter and he is really posting hard now because we have sued his employer big corporation
because he was speaking freely on twitter of posting critical covid so lost his very good job
in this norway company who which we have now sued so this is also a case who's gone quite viral now
in twitter thankfully because for me visibility is also security so
yeah so i'm really grateful and i'm not kidding when i'm saying this it's been
like this little nest here in norway which i felt like the authorities just can do whatever
they want so now that we are lifting this out it gives me more um you know a spirit to keep on doing
what i'm doing because if not maybe i would just had a lot would have taken a long pause it's been
very tough well we can put you in touch with lawyers all around the world at barrow and what's
happening in norway is happening in all the countries in the world are just about so there's
no way that this was not planned of course i know that yeah thank you for can i just ask you one
thing about simon simon what's his name goddick yeah so i think he's the guy can you confirm this
was he calling out certain people in the uh freedom movement shall we say for never talking about the
lockdowns the harms of lockdowns yeah probably right interesting so i've seen his tweets he's
very good i think he has four or five hundred thousand followers now so yeah he's very good
yeah he is and and we have now sued so they have uh the limit on responding this case
their lawyers on the other the corporations lawyers 15 of august they have to respond to the
lawsuit that we sent in june so it's a very exciting case because it's go on the freedom of
speech and uh he's very tough it's not giving in so this is also a case who's coming up here
in the autumn in norway so it's been high pressure so i'm very grateful to be able to come here and
talk and i hope i can come back and give you some updates when the cases are proceeding
absolutely absolutely go back to your father and your children and we'll have trance speak to us
about his experience with you and he'll say nice things about his lawyer hopefully
yes okay bye bye bye everybody bye then bye bye thank you
yeah okay tron so give us and um susan i have some questions for you but tron you go first
and share us share your perspective of this this uh tyranny that is happening in your country
well i was uh waking up to knocking on the door from police and um one doctor one nurse i think
and and i went out and they said that they want they they were there because i posted some
posted on facebook stuff and
i was brought into hospital and um
was forced into such a sacrietic what treatment and uh
uh
i um yeah that's what's hello
we can hear you um you can hear you okay no and then um yeah and then um i got a lot of
a lot of people supporting me and um yeah it was 10 days and then it was the court case and um the
doctor hadn't read the posts that i posted on internet she hadn't read any facebook posts so
she had meant that i was psychotic without reading what the post was about it was mostly
about batches and um norman fanton and all star they used those sources um yeah
to show yeah and um it was uh yeah um it was um very strange i didn't really know why
the reason the concrete reason i didn't i didn't understand why i was there
actually um it was only the post i heard the first um doctor said when i came out
uh yeah but in the hospital they were okay and um the nurses and everybody was okay and the police
was also okay when we went on the stairs and um but um yeah it was very strange experience
did you uh tron did you ever get a an apology from anyone no the case is got this case is ongoing we
haven't got any any conclusions from the court and um we are uh waiting for for uh for a report
from on the court and then we are taking the case further and barbara is working on the case so yeah
that's that's um so we're just waiting for that could he go to okay and i have
i have tron i have dealt with a number of such matters in australia of people literally being
involuntarily dragged into psychiatric wards it's a similar process in australia and and i think the
insight for all of us is that if you have support and people who have people who come along and show
that support it makes a big difference in how the psychiatric system works tron so it's very
it's very good that that barbara was there to help and you know they they will the more of us that
push back the the less likely less likely they are to do this so it's wonderful that you had barbara's
support yeah a lot of friends that came visiting and and um provide provided me with what i what
i needed and um also it's only 10 success rates that you if you complain to them to the court it's
only 10 that win the case and it was um it was consensus all voted for me letting me go and um
yeah so it was very quick 20 minutes half an hour and the court decided to let me go
um but trund it's shocking that the doctor didn't even know what the other were that got you in the
in the place in the hospital to start with no she hadn't read the post that's supposedly was the
reason why i had to stay there so she hadn't read any of them that's very strange and it was also
yeah she hadn't read any posts that i had posted that but she said that i had to stay there because
of those posts so anonymous uh uh uh complaint yes i don't know who who who it was no they said it
was a friend but as barbara says they don't react like that if a friend maybe it was a previous
uh
uh since i'm your friend i have read all the papers from the hospital yes and um
they were desperately trying to find that you you were this illusioned is it called desolationed
uh yes desolationed and um um she didn't even uh not write the uh read the the facebook post
but it was mentioned very often in the papers and also you told me that she react when you told that
almost all of norway knows this case now and she didn't know the psychiatrist didn't know
but it was standing in five minor newspapers so that was true but when i read in the papers
that was a sign that you were desolationed that you thought the norway knew about this case
but it was true and one more thing uh they wrote that uh when you because you didn't want to talk
without your lawyer then you were not socializing and that was a sign of uh that you were sick
but uh since you get uh much uh visitors because you have many friends uh that was a sign that you
were socializing and both they they used both in two different papers as a same sign that you were
sick uh so they were so desperately trying to find something yes that was uh just about what it was
to say thank you let's tron did they stop you doing the work that you were doing which got you
no i was allowed to post but i stopped i actually thought that okay it's it's it's probably a good
idea to have a break so i was allowed to have communication with outside world so i was allowed
to keep the phone and i was allowed to to to post and i did so but i i i thought maybe i should stop
i i just need to get out of here that must be my first priority so um just um yeah so i didn't post
anymore um i meant now though i meant now now now i've posted a little bit but not much
i will start posting but yeah i have i have written some posts but not much
so they've they've managed to do what they set out to do which was to silence you and to make
an example
yeah i think so because it was only the posts and um um yeah i don't have any other explanation
explanation that they do that yeah it was only the post that was a reason why they came and that
was the first thing they said when they was on when they when the doctor asked me um was my
facebook posts um that they didn't read actually but um yeah um all right john thank you thank you
for being here it is a is an important story for all of us to be aware of of what we know is going
on but seeing you here and then spreading the word because the more that know about these activities
the more protection we have all right we have to keep keep moving um susan i have a question for you
this is you make the comment you made the comment that we don't have democracy and i'm i'm interested
in your your thoughts on how we address that so we talked about smaller local good but but what's your
way forward on this problem of no democracy of the people not having a voice what's what's the
solution for that and and uh you know one of the questions one of the thoughts that occurs to me is
that if you are a representative of the people now with technology you could say hey there's a
proposal to lock everybody up who questions the government narrative for example and so you could
ask all of your voters in your seat to share their views should people be locked up or should they
not and that could all be done electronically so we could get direct people's input on every single
vote that a representative votes on for example what are you what's your thinking of of how we
deal with this problem thank you for that question it's uh that's this is what i've been trying to
hack for many years now what i see is that we first need to protect the individual the
sovereignty of the individual through so that the democracy cannot interfere with the private sphere
that's number one and when it comes to our common society we can absolutely involve people in direct
democracy much much more informed direct democracy and in in even co-creating
uh knowledge and ideas and solutions in society so these are the thoughts that are put into the new
organization the new movement the people's movement that i will or we will translate into english and
spread to other countries it's just we're such a small organization still and working with the
election in norway so we haven't been able to do it yet but but the whole um the whole package
in in the organization that i started one and a half years ago is supposed to be a solution for
a new way of doing democracy where people real people actually are uh joining in in taking
decisions because what i see well the first thing i saw it's the it's the tendency to
centralize power more and more and more and fewer and fewer hands and and also letting money power
and technology power interfere with with the democracy that has to stop and we have to reverse
and we have to find solutions and how to do deal with that and the 10 principles that just came to
me one night in the middle of the night and i had to write them down those are kind of a um
it's a suggestion that we can agree upon some principles uh and they can be interpreted
in different ways for for different people but that can be kind of a way of gathering the
the different part political parties under one umbrella to transfer the p the power back to the
people again and um after we agree on some democratic principles we have to uh install
in society a system that includes and invites people to uh to co-create society together
in such a way that the best arguments will will be most popular and and as a process
instead of just jumping on a boat like are you for or against that can be kind of
that can take us in the wrong direction because people also needs to be involved in the process
of finding the solution so it's more in in depth and i i believe that what we see now with the
centralized power is going in a direction of uh technocracy more than democracy and the difference
is demo is of course the people that govern and technocracy is when experts and for instance ai
uh govern so those two directions i see uh and uh it i also see a tendency of of calling still
calling it a democracy even though it's more like an expert uh way of governing the society even us
like being elected politicians we're not hands-on at all with with the direction of society because
it's experts that gives us the direction and we kind of just jump on board with that and
that can be devastating when we know that centralized power is so easy to corrupt because
it's just one place you have to do it instead of you have to convince the whole people everyone
so decentralization of power is the way as i see it to avoid corruption of the system
and secure the individual's freedom of expression and living the way they want and you know we are
so many different cultures and people around the world and we need to be able to follow our own
wishes for how to live how to express how to um yeah how to use our life here
so i i don't know how to be very concrete with it but i see that we need to gather around some
very very simple principles and we need to teach the people to take responsibility again take them
out of the couch and netflix you know and and and be more active in and forming the local communities
and also the um you know instead of thinking global governance we need to think
international cooperation the nations can cooperate or we can cooperate through
you know from city to city from wherever but the global top-down
governance it's not very human to me then we become kind of
the our empowerment is just taken away from us as humans i don't know if that explains something
that does beautifully because in the meetings that we've had here we have explored
this decades long since world war ii this technocracy being imposed on us through the
world economic forum that's precisely what's happening you articulated well decentralization
is the is the way forward now one of the issues the same process right around the world all the
politicians have been standing up and saying the experts have told us so clearly the technocracy
strategy we are mere politicians how could we possibly question the experts we know what
a fraud that is all of us need to recognize the fraud now the last question susanna is
one of the big problems in right around the world is very few business leaders of reputation have
come out against the government narrative in other words here in australia its people its
individuals but but business leaders have all done so well financially not one has come out
and said that the people have been defrauded my question to you is in norway in any of the
scandinavian countries has any significant business leader come out against the narrative like you
have
not that i can think of there's been some a few few maybe that has mentioned parts of it but not
the whole thing and i think the reason is obvious that you know the whole business game or the it's
it's a game it's it has rules like a game and the success of the game is profit and
that's how it's all rigged and it's very very difficult it means that you lose profit
if you go against rules or you oppose the game kind of and i think that the whole you know i
love businesses i'm an entrepreneur myself i love the creating value i love seeing people how they
express themselves and give what they're what they can give and offer to others
but the problem is when it's centralized again the big multi national companies and the owners of
the big tech and big food and big everything it becomes so centralized so it's kind of eating up
all the small the people's businesses and and this is a big problem because every even even the small
businesses cannot even survive if they're opposing the game at all and so it's kind of it's it's
we have to turn everything upside down actually the pyramid must be turned upside down the real
power is with the people we are the many the fake power is with the few on the top of the pyramid
so i think it's up to the people to just say no now it's it's it's enough and we can do it
silently without without a war and or a revolution we can just say no and the lesson
suzanne the the power of people unifying is of course with india with mahatma gandhi where he
said no violence non-violence non-compliance and that has that has proven to succeed there's
there's eight billion of us there's probably one bit one million of them eight billion of us
there's one to eight thousand so if the people unify so the work that you are doing does inspire
each of us to say hey don't comply now it then gets the question is hey this is uncomfortable
this can have consequences indeed and obviously nelson mandela fought for freedom fought against
apartheid 27 years in jail and world war one world war two look at the people who went to fight
for freedom and suzanne you're fighting for freedom at least you don't have people shooting at you
but they do want to put you in jail like they did with tron put him in effective jail but that's
that's the question that each one of us has to answer what are we willing to sacrifice to preserve
our democracy to preserve our lives to preserve our freedoms or do you just want to become robots
that's the question isn't it yeah but i don't i don't see myself as a fighter or freedom fighter
at all i'm just i see myself as a person that just points towards the truth or what's right or
common sense so i i don't see myself as a fighter and i don't see even
i don't see some of these people as evil even because it's more like i'm more like concentrated
on the system that we collectively built a system that has become a monster and some of these global
elites have just played the game well and they have all the power and they continue but i don't
think we will succeed in in freeing people if we go to war with these elites or whoever i i think
we need to look at the system and see that the system we have built together is not working and
we are the ones that can change it and we are the many so we can just change it but we need to be
aware we need to see it because if we fight if we fight we're in the same uh we're in the battle
we lose so that's an interesting question do we change the system or do we build a new one
that's the question all right steven but it's up to us it is up very good it is up to us and you
mentioned responsibility as well you know the the message that's been sold to us is we will protect
you and and you know steven put your video back on so we can see you we you know this is all about
safety give us your authority to save you steven save us from covid all right let's go to closing
questions to you steven we've got no hands up let's susan go we've got 15 minutes before we
before we end tom rodman has put the link into the video chat steven over to you for final questions
so we're going to go to the next question from charles
well what you just said charles is the problem isn't it there are so many people
who realize what the problems are but they're all looking for what uh uh emmanuel the other night
yeah so the the people who kind of are looking for people to save them all the time are the problem
but the bigger problem are the people who just comply with everything because it doesn't affect
them in their view but they don't do any research and they don't know anything and um of course it
affects them is the knee the famous neemola uh uh quote which says uh they came for the gypsies i
was not a gypsy so i did nothing i can't remember the exact quote they came for the jews i was not
a jew so i did nothing and then in the end they came for me and there was no one left to speak
up for me and so uh and people need to be you know the people who say they're not interested
in politics it's just a ridiculous thing to say it's like saying i'm not interested in preserving
my humanity you know well some people don't really understand what humanity is and um in a way three
and a half years ago i don't think i really understood the kind of spiritual side but i do
now i was always fighting for humanity without realizing it previously but um now i understand
what it's all about or at least i think i do um so um i don't quite so thomas uh so thomas
actually helped me to get you on susan and barrow uh has he gone now he's the um i think he has
there's some yeah he's gone has he okay i was like yes all right let's finish let's finish
here there's nothing wrong with that um trond thank you for joining us susan thank you for
sharing uh as stephen says you know i think you should look on this group communicate with stephen
for help to spread a message and we will spread your 10 principles i think that's very insightful
i love the fact that it came to you in the middle of the night so well done for writing it down
so susan and barrow and um trond um i think it's really important so you know uh that uh so norway
thinks that they can behave like this and no one will notice because it's too smaller country to be
noticed in the united states for example but other countries as well like india you know well now
um unfortunately people around the world will know about this and um i think that that's a way to get
people so i think the people in norway are not evil uh in the way they are in some people some
countries but but um you know they've gone along with this gender they maybe don't realize fully
what it's all about um and maybe money plays a big part but i think it plays less a part in norway
than than most countries um but i think that uh the norwegians and the swedes for that matter
they do have consciences uh and when uh what has happened is exposed they don't like it they're
not very happy about the light being shone on sweden and i think norway norway is even less
known than sweden um so hopefully um if you work with us you know you can uh how should i say you'll
have more success i think in norway when they know that the international spotlight is on on norway
thank you thank you steven marvin's got his hand up for one last question before we go marvin
susan i wanted to ask you i was in trondheim for three weeks on a bicycle 30 years ago
and the police cute young girl and a cute young guy would get out of a police car and they looked
like forest service workers they they weren't they didn't wear guns they were cute young bright
looking college students are what are the norwegian police now dressed like stormtroopers
like our police in america are dressed now no they're still uh quite we we live in a very
common and non-violent community in norway and most people are very nice so um we luckily we
don't have that seen police look like friendly people yeah very good but there was that dreadful
attack on on the island um i can't remember the island now where yeah young people were killed
um yeah i don't think we should discuss that now i need to i need to leave now but
that's a that's a big thing and that came like a shock to the norwegian people
i'm sorry
it's it's such a big yeah big happening and big thing that i i don't feel like we should go into
that no susan i wasn't suggesting we talked about i was just saying that it isn't always the case
that norway is peaceful no but uh things like that has happened very seldom so so that was kind
of the first shock for the norwegian people that's that a terror attack like that could happen in
norway and so many innocent young girls and boys and and people were killed like it was like yeah
yeah it was terrible yeah it's trauma for every 11 yeah it's a it's a big trauma for for our country
but um yeah so susan you were saying this so this is just the last passing shot as it were um you
said that many people in norway are nice i agree but that's also part of the problem they're too
they're too reasonable they don't want to they don't want to stand out they never want to take
a position because they want to be popular with their friends and their associates you know
that's that's the that's why kind of i stood out because i did the opposite you know i went for the
dislikes yeah or you know so so that was like people thought that i would crash because of
that but i it just made me stronger because that's what it does you know when you stand up for your
truth and for uh what you believe in that makes you stronger but before you do it before you take
that step it feels like you're gonna die and i guess people that's how people feel you know it's
it's even more dangerous for norwegians or scandinavians to step out of conformity
because of the jante law you know everybody should be kind of the same and be liked to be nice and
all that so i think it's it takes more more so that's why i i thought that for me doing that
what i did with with my colleagues my political colleagues and everything i thought more people
would step out and and be brave enough to talk about it but i have colleagues political colleagues
that has talked to me afterwards what i've done and said they totally agree but they don't dare
to go through what they see i've gone through you know so they just have to keep calm wow
russian businessman which goes if you can't cheat norwegian you can't cheat anyone in the world
um
beautiful comments let's go everybody suzanne thank you so much for giving us your time
congratulations on your courageous journey thank you everybody for being here steven thank you for
organizing and we will be back with you on sunday and have a beautiful tuesday night and the rest of
your week thank you for joining us thank you for inviting me thank you thank you thank you
haiku as well thank you haika yes indeed and and tron oh i don't think he heard it
uh yes and yes he didn't no okay over to tom rodman for those of you who have the time
um
charles can you send me the um chat from the other night if possible yep yep and this one
it that'd be good yep we'll do thanks thank you so much thanks everybody