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recording. So welcome everybody to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics

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International. And today's meeting this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost

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during the darkest days of the COVID scam responses with a desire to pursue

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truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. Stephen has stood up against government

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and power over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist. His medical

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specialty is radiology. I'm Charles Kovest, the moderator of this group. I'm

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Australasian passion provocateur and my jacket is red because red is the color

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of passion. Last night I was surrounded by many passionate Asians. I wore my red

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jacket Stephen, you'll be pleased to know. I practiced law for 20 years before

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changing career 30 years ago and over the last 12 years I've helped parents

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and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad

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medical advice. I'm also the chief executive of an industrial hemp company.

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We comprise lots of professions including doctors, lawyers, homeopaths,

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journalists, scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers and

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troublemakers and we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that

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vaccines were okay. Now many of us proudly say yes, we are passionate

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anti-vaxxers. If this is your first time here, welcome and feel free to

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introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from. If you publish a newslet or

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a podcast or you have a radio or TV show or you've written a book, put the

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links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you. Most of us

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understand that we're in the middle of World War Three and that there are

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various battle lines as part of this war. Some of us believe we're in a

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continuation of World War Two. Most of us understand the development of science

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and that the science is never settled. This meeting runs for two and a half

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hours, after which for those with the time Tom Rodman runs a video telegram

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meeting. Tom puts the links into the chat if you are able to join. We will

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listen to Barbara Paulson and Suzanne Hart from Norway for as long as they

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wish to speak and then we will have questions and answers. Stephen Frost, via

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long established tradition, asks the first questions. There's no censorship.

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It's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. Free speech is

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crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. If you are

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interested, if you're offended by anything, be offended. We're genuinely not

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interested. We reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say

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anything that may offend another. We come with an attitude and perspective of love

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not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you. Love on the other hand

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expands you. If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will

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help people put the details into the chat, the meeting is recorded and is

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uploaded onto the Rumble channel and all of our previous meetings are available

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on the Rumble channel. I will put the link into the chat and now welcome to

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our guest presenters today. Barbara Paulson, lawyer and Suzanne Hart,

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politician and we thank you so much Barbara and Suzanne for giving us your

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time and wisdom and insights and thank you again Stephen Frost for creating

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this group and for organizing Barbara and Suzanne to speak to us. Over to you

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Barbara and Suzanne, how do you want to run this over, you know, you're in charge.

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I'm just, you know, Stephen and I are the mere attendees. No we're not.

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Sure. Thank you both of you for coming. So Barbara and Suzanne, I had a bit of

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trouble identifying who I was supposed to be talking to because you are the

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speakers I worked out in the end on behalf of the mathematician but the

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person I was talking to was a nurse as I understand.

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Thomas Loken. Maybe I should answer because I'm the lawyer in the case. Sure

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absolutely anyone either of you or both. Is there a nurse here who's involved in

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this case I would be happy to say hi myself because I didn't know. But Barbara

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I was talking to someone called Thomas Loken. Oh Thomas, yes he's on holiday now

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as am I so this was thrown a little bit upon me but that's that's okay I was

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preparing for the 15 so I was like writing some but probably I will have

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the chance again hopefully. So I'm just gonna I think I said to you Susanne

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that I would start. Okay. So Barbara we're very interested in a tyranny

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Norwegian style. Can I just jump in a little bit I'm a local or a

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regional politician in Norway has been opposing the COVID mandates and

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strategies but this this case is definitely Barbara's case. I'm very on

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the side here but I'm I support the work and would love to say a few things but I

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would like to give the word to Barbara because she's the main speaker here I

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believe. Oh no I don't think I'm the main speaker but maybe it's natural to

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just take us through the legal stuff first and then we can move through and I

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would say I work closely with Susanne both in preparing cases but also in

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politics because I'm the mayor candidate of Oslo for this election so we are we

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are running for City Council but that's that's another okay we are just to move

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we are doing that just to create movements and waves. Yes. Could I say that if you could

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emphasize as a lawyer the parts which you think are most egregious as far as

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Norway is concerned. Okay. Western Europe and the United States and Canada

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Australia New Zealand in particular those and Germany of course so you know

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it might be different what's egregious in Norway and what's egregious in in those

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other states so if you could if you but you may think Norway's just the same you

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know we think in the same way I don't know. Well let me shortly introduce

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myself I'm a lawyer and activist I'm from the north of Norway live in Oslo

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had three children and a big family so most of these things happen just because

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I try to protect my children because they were really hunting us down in Oslo to

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test them and to put the vaccines in them and and I was fighting like like I

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felt I was fighting for for their lives in our lives so it started there and I

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became quite known quite short in a short amount of time because I did a

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podcast in Norway and it took off and I really didn't know my country I didn't

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know my own country maybe all of you had the same experiences but Norway is on

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the surface very gently very we we ski we are polite we yet but under the surface

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is a very cruel way of treating people in Norway because we have a lot of force

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and so I've been working with the drug addicts for very many years and

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volunteer as a lawyer and in penitent court and in force of psychiatric ward

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and child security system where they are taking people's children so everything

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that I think was all always there we have a like I said the bad and cruel

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history of use of force in Norway many many decades tradition of cruel use of

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force but it's subtle and people don't see it so if you don't get nor with the

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rich country and most people are quite the financial good hearing in Norway so

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most people never meet the system but the Kobe just released you know put the

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shed the light on on on what was already there that's my point and this case of

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Holland which is also here today on this assume my client he is the the most

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principal case I've had but I have a lot of activists in psychiatric ward in

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Norway and they are spread all over the country and my first case directly

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to being an activist came in 2020 and that was a 26 year old girl who was half

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Jewish and half Norwegian and she spoke four languages and she spoke very freely

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about the Jews and what her view on the Palestinian conflict was so that was my

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first meeting with the psychiatric way of treating persons in in Norway and

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they are treated worse often than people who are arrested because if you get

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arrested in Norway it's like the same you have the right to remain silent you

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have the right to attorney you have all those rights and they are telling you

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that of course it's it's not a just penalty court system either but in the

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psychiatric field you never get written this rights so but you still have the

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same force because in this case and in the 2020 case and the ten other I have

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inside in wards now as we speak they all have the same history by being picked up

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at their door and they knock on the door it doesn't matter if it's early

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morning or in the night while you're sleeping or yeah and then there are

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always minimum four persons to from health and to police officers and they

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all they start just asking saying that we have had a message that you and we

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are worried about you are you okay it starts with that so if you refuse they

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will take you by force and if you are able to be calm like in the last case

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the whole long case and they can take you with force but you have to go so

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it's it's the same but you don't have to to to experience violence in physical

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way so I don't know if you heard about norwin being convicted the child what's

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the what's it called in in Britain or in the United States when protection yeah

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the child protection services has escalated in as I see it because I also

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have a lot of those cases and it's there it's a hundred but same and the same way

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of dealing with those two fields the same methods the same way of reporting

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how the unstable parents are or the unstable man that posts too much on

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it's it's it's a method and it's so it every report I read it's the same and

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now when I with this last case everything for me just fall fell into

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place because then I could just see it like in the matrix in the movie I could

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see the way they are doing it and it's always the same is the indoctrinated

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way of being tired tyrants and and the use of force is like it's so well hidden

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I've been working in this field for so many years it's so brilliantly well

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hidden that I actually understand why people think they are doing a good job

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they are really believing that they try to help hold on or all the other you have

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probably talked about it yourself but I also have a lot of doctors have been

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helping in the last years and some of the doctors which has been very activist

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as well have also experienced the use of the psychiatric field to unstable you as

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to take away all your integrity and all you so and I don't know my experience is

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that the whole system of Norway has just now is in one way it's falling apart

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because now the whole long case showed something different it differed from the

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other cases because they they had to lie and when they are starting to lie there

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is something totally different from what I've experienced because they didn't have

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to lie before but now they they have to lie and if you disecate all the papers

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here and you can see that there were no acquaintances of him probably calling

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the police and telling that he was unstable and posted too much high

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frequently post on Facebook it was probably higher up but it was I won't

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speculate too much because that's not a good idea when you still are a lawyer in

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the matrix system but it seems like this was a failure operation because this man

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had a lot of friends this man had people coming to the hospital every day the

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media in Norway and alternative media of course but media writing about it and

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putting pressure on the hospital so they just had to release him because everything was illegal

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is that that was what differed this case from the other case I I know and they are all the same but

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this time there was a little bit like if you're cheating on someone you were taken with your

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pants down it felt a little it felt a little bit like that so I must say I I felt a little

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threatened myself the couple of days after I've been running quite many court cases against the

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state of Norway and the last three years I have one case in the Supreme Court now with the PCR

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test my client was convicted as criminal felon for passing the border from Sweden to to Norway

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a healthy very healthy young man and this case is now in the Supreme Court and I have this

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nurse who got fired for not testing and she we are now going to second appeal court on that case

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and in that case it came 75 audiences came with their camping chairs and it was like a big circus

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people are really now supporting they are showing their support like in the whole long case so I

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must say I'm not quite sure because so many cases I have now is not isn't final so this autumn will

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be probably for me the most legal exciting half a year because we also gonna sue the state for

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this 33 year young man dying from 21 days after the Pfizer shot and the widow immediately contacted

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me so I could secure his body when it was still in the hospital it was right after he died and

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we had some doctors in Norway brave doctors and pathologues to two of them who has now gone

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through all the materials and we ordered the autopsy at in the book art method and you know

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I just got to go on book on book art on a book art yes and so we have done so much research in

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that case and now we're suing in in that case as well and they the external doctors and independent

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doctors in that case had all of them said this is a vaccine that and it's a clear is a very clear

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case because he got sick was lying in bed with two children on for six years and he got six and

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seventeen hours later he was dead and they now try to conclude that it was a COVID death and now

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we came with our report and so now this the case has stopped and we are like in in them in that so

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a lot is happening for me and I've been quite lonely I haven't had many colleagues who are

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been willing to take these cases and they write they are critical and they are many people are

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helping me in the background but Norway is a very special country I must say Norway is maybe I don't

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know I I don't live any other place than Norway but we have so many leaders of in Europe that are

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Norwegians we have Jens Stoltenberg which is a NATO chief we have two of the top leaders of

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VEF World Economic Forum we have Gro Harlem Bruntlem in WHO we have so many people in high degrees

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in the top positions of the world so maybe it's the I don't have any documentations for saying

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this but I have a feeling that there is so much darkness hidden here in Norway that maybe it's a

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country that is shaman said to me once in 2013 the head he said it in northern Norwegian he's a very

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wise man and he said and the snake the head of the snake is here in Norway here is all the evil if

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you can conquer the evil in Norway the rest of the western world will become healthy and I said to

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him wasn't that a little bit over the top over the top and he was just like explaining explaining

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it to me then and after covid it's just like so many deceives from the politicians of selling our

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country abroad piece by piece by piece and let me say one thing to that because that I think it's

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so interesting because we all have this the circle is ending you know in the 1990s there was a lawyer

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called Sunova Fjellbak Tafte. She was in Brussels she was rewriting the EOS deal because Norway is

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not in the EU but we have a trade deal with the union it's called EOS she was writing this she

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was a top jurist in the Norwegian government and then she notified we had people's voting

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and everybody 80 percent 70 80 percent in Norway said no to becoming a member of the EU

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and then they made the EOS and Sunova the lawyer top lawyer very down to earth

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typical Norwegian woman she notified that the EOS deal was against the constitution of Norway

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because it meant the deal meant that Norway would be sold piece by piece and it was illegal like

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betrayal of the country and she was committed to psychiatric ward picked up when she came back from

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Norway they called her back to Norway she went up north to her family and then she was

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picked up by force police help and she was really really they tried to destroy her for many many

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years in psychiatric ward giving her very hard medicines and attacking her family over and over

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again and you know that's 30 40 years ago and now we see that this case has been suppressed

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for so long but now people are starting to talking about talk about the Sunova case after the Håland

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case and so something is happening in Norway but I still think that the activists of Norway are

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a little bit vulnerable right now because they are doing very many desperate measures

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and they don't follow the law in the same way they did before so something has changed but it

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we will see this autumn what will happen here in Norway because we have so many principal cases

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going in the highest appeal courts so yeah I could say a lot more about the Håland case I

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don't know if Thomas have sent you anything we have I have things in writing I could send

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so you could read it but I think maybe because we are not

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we are not going to give up that case we are going to follow up and we are going to get in the bottom

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of it and two mainstream channels have just called me and want to write about it the biggest channels

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in Norway we have NRK and you have Morgan Bladet so what they are going to write and how far they

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can take it and I've been in a radio show now and mainstream the biggest one in the east of Norway

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the biggest one in the eastern part of Norway where there are most people so there are something

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happening here. Wow Barbara that's there are many questions I'm sure many of us have but that's a

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wonderful wonderful overview and that is such an interesting idea Suzanne will come to you

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Susanna I will come to you in a moment and just the thought of a hidden tyranny that's very you

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know hidden tyranny through niceness that's an intriguing idea so thank you for sharing that

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and Susanna we'll hear from you and then we'll don't worry we'll have plenty of questions for

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you and Stephen's got plenty and I've got plenty so Susanna and current elected politician and you

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started your a new party so please please share your thoughts. Thank you Charles yeah I'm Susanna

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Susanne Hart and I've been an elected politician for eight years now I just want to start with

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saying that I never wanted to become a politician at all because it felt like so wrong the whole

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system I am an entrepreneur at heart been working with startups all my life and also been helping

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lots of people with personal development and myself I took I've done so much personal

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development and studying myself my emotional states my mental states my spiritual states

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and diving into it and I must say that I love your intro Charles about the fear and love because

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that's what everything is about in my opinion we only have two states it's either going up or it's

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going down and the times we are in now is kind of extreme in both directions at once and that means

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a transformation I think of society and of our consciousness so I'm not a traditional politician

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but I went into politics and I became elected for the Green Party eight years ago and of course

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you know when I'm in love with nature I'm in love with humanity and just the thought of being

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a part of maybe changing society a little bit in a better direction was something I felt I had to do

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because when I worked with people I saw that even though people found their inner strength their

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the system would always stop them somehow and that felt so frustrating to me

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because I know that when people are thriving inside and they are empowered and they're like

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the unique flower that you see behind me you can beat me here I think everyone has potential every

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everyone is unique and just experiencing that people are kind of being opposed by the system

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that we have we call a democracy that upset me so I wanted to go to go into politics and try to

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change the system because it didn't do good for people but that was not so easy even though I was

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an entrepreneur and lots of ideas and will to do something it was not very easy because what

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happened was that I became a part of this very very strange system and in the beginning I thought

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why is it like this why can't we do why can't we just work with solutions to make life better for

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people but I was kind of dragged into this hamster wheel of just you know being for or against these

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small little things that was not really important and after a few years I just I couldn't help but

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diving even deeper into what is democracy what is it what is this thing we call democracy because

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you know I'm one of very very few people being elected to become a representative for the people

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and even though I can't do anything there's nothing I can do I'm just I have to be part of a

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of a ship that is sailing in one direction and I can't do anything to change it I just have to be

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part of it and and kind of thrive in the in the glory and and and the power of being an elected

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politician that didn't feel meaningful to me at all so I dived into the system trying to find out

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to hack the democratic code and and then after four years I decided I couldn't do it anymore

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because it was like I couldn't change anything so but something told me to not give up after all

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and I took four more years and and I'm so happy I did because that was when COVID started and I

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then I understood why I was on the inside of this system this very strange system that we call

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democracy but it's not really a democracy it's so I I remember I did I was invited to do a space

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TEDx talk in 20 beginning of 2020 and I actually talked about what I had discovered within the

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democratic system and how everything is centralized instead of being decentralized like if if people

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really govern the society it's decentralized but something has to something to go over and just

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centralize the whole thing so even even if we're not a member of the EU in Norway we're still

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governed by the EU basically and by UN and you know a lot of institutions that are not

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democratic at all and so when COVID started first I was really scared about the whole thing because

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I thought it was as dramatic as it was presented and when the vaccine started being developed

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I saw what is going on here this is not

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right because I could I could I could sense the force I could sense the manipulation I could sense

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all of these things and us the politicians we were kept out of it everything just rolled

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so even though we are kind of representing people we couldn't do anything so we had to conform

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but I couldn't do that so I had to be that rebel that represented all the people in Norway that

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was refusing to take the vaccine was just listening to their own inner voice

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I had I woke up one morning and I had to represent them because nobody else did

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so I sent a letter an open letter to the prime minister and asked her to pause the vaccination

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and that made me famous in the whole of Norway and made me the scapegoat for

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all the fear it felt like so I was like that was a major event in my life but I never regretted

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and it just made me stronger when I got you know two ministers in the newspapers or in the media

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telling that I'm kind of dangerous because I'm asking to pause the vaccination until we have

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enough safety data on long term and it just made less and less sense the whole thing so

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as this has just moved on it just made me stronger in in in protecting the Norwegian population

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that felt pressured or didn't want to do the vaccine thing so I'm these things I'm

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so I'm these three years last three years has been very strange I also did a

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a presentation in the county council council that has gone kind of viral on rumble

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about the vaccines that was less than a year ago and so I've become a spokesperson on the inside

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so a representative in Norway that can speak for all of us and I met Babu in this work of course and

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and she has accepted to become like the

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candidate for a mayor in Oslo through my new initiative that I started

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uh one and a half years ago it's it's a democratic people's movement that is not

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a political party but it's the whole focus is giving people back the power giving the power back

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to the democratic power back to the people through 10 very simple principles instead of having any

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political program so it's so I'm so happy that we have now um five cities in Norway and four counties

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that are running for election and 72 beautiful people and almost all of them are uh the freedom

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fighters from the pandemic and so Barbara was one of them and and when this whole case came up a

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few weeks ago now it's also for me heartbreaking because realizing as representative that people

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are basically being in one way arrested or taken away their freedoms because they

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have opinions or act in different ways or being being their unique flower I want to be unique I

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want to be I don't want to be like everyone else I am unique everyone is and we should be we should

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tolerate each other and we should tolerate each other's opinions and listen instead of um this

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this tendency now global that everyone should just do the same thing and there's only one thing that

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is right it's deeply upsetting me and I think we have to gather as humanity not only in groups

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like the groups that has been challenged but we have to look at it like it could happen to me

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tomorrow or to somebody tomorrow if the system is so cold and cynical it's not like it should be

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at all so um I'm I really applaud both Haaland for being such a strong person being calm in the

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situation and and Babel dealing with this case with such a brilliance and um yeah and everyone

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that is working for humanity's freedom because what we're facing is just a very upsetting

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um scenery with the centralized power and the centralized power also has all the technocrats

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um with them and also the AI it will be kind of the power on steroids uh steroids and that's not

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something we want we want the opposite we want to bring the people back neither people power back

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to the people again and I'm a strong believer of um I think everyone should live from inside out

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and not being forced to live from the outside in because that's not natural so thank you for

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letting me speak here I didn't plan anything and I don't know what you want to know but

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Susanna that is that is wonderful and thank you for sharing your truth thank you

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for standing again and we will have plenty of questions and comments now for both of

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for both of you but it's it is it is a wonderful story and I think a reminder to all of us that

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many people who end up as politicians or someone put the comment in the chat you know that the

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best politicians are those who don't want to be politicians um so it would be it would be lovely

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to get your 10 principles Suzanne if you can put that in the chat or somebody can put it in the

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chat or Heiko might be able to put it in the chat in English because it could be a wonderful guide

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for us in other municipalities and states and one of the as Stephen's getting his questions ready

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one of the crucial issues for all of us and Barbara I'm so pleased you're standing for

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election in local municipalities we are all learning we are all learning the importance of

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taking an interest in local government you know at the at the bottom level rather than going at

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the top where you've just told us you can't get anything done but at the bottom levels we can do

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do things and this question of centralization and Dave Rasnik is here he addressed us and Dave

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Rasnik introduced us to the book the breakdown of nations a 1957 book Suzanne I recommend it

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because this book by Leopold Kaur I hadn't never heard of it said that the biggest problem with

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anything that fails the number one biggest problem is bigness things are too big and so that's what

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you've also reminded us you know that when the EU is controlling everything no one's in control except

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the head of the snake perhaps and this question of coming back into smaller local decision making

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the power with the people it's in it's it's clearly the message is coming through so

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that's really struck a chord with me you go too big it's uncontrollable and then evil

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takes place so thank you both Barbara and Suzanne Stephen over to you for first questions and

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then other people put your hands up we've got two hands up already people with their hands up and

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and as Stephen will have assured you Barbara and Suzanne there will be no shortage of questions

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for you so Stephen so Charles Charles I've just thought while you were speaking then about the

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bigness thing I think it's a combination so this is the first time I've articulated this but

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it just struck me that it's the combination of the bigness thing which they're pushing

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but also in the reverse direction possibly super specialization so that nobody

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understands so there are two reasons why they don't understand the bigness

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because when you've got everybody super specialized they can't actually join the

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docs that that's what they're not what they've been trained to do very good so I think that

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and the only way you can undo you can join the dots is by having people like Suzanne and Barbara

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who are obvious you know recognizable as human beings and authentic and they understand it

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because of something that's happened in their lives or what they've inherited from

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their parents and and it would be very interesting well maybe oh well I'd like to ask

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Suzanne first what do you think Stephen before you Stephen before you do Thomas Loken is here now

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so he's tell us do you want to say anything thank you for well hang on forget the question

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then okay you go your question so um so I was going to ask you Suzanne and also we'll we'll

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lose the temporal relationship between what Suzanne has said and what what I'm going to ask

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uh now and what so Suzanne I just wonder whether you're able to tell us maybe something about your

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childhood or your uh adolescence that maybe made you think in the way that you do because I think

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you're rather unusual um and there are many people in this group I've noticed who are a little bit

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unusual including myself I never realized I was always bumping into brick walls and never

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understood why I do now because I was all the while blowing the whistle in the eyes of these

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um miscreants um and um but on the other hand I think I was protected rather like you because I

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think you're very likable I think to some extent I'm likable and that saved me they didn't go for me

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um because actually people wanted to be with me even if they thought that I was a bit of a loose

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cannon in their eyes you know and I just wondered what whether you what you would say you know what

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do you think is the biggest influence on your life thank you for that question um I think that

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from early childhood I've been inspired by my mother because she's been kind of brave to

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um to voice her opinion especially when for her when children was involved she spoke for the

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children always and and became kind of unpopular because of that sometimes but she she was a very

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lovely person so she uh she kind of um survived it um and uh I think I learned some things from

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her she also worked with um helping alcoholics when I was a child and I I also saw that these

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people were beautiful they were just um they had um challenges that made them go downhill

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but they were basically they had a core of very lovely people um so things like that of course

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has helped me but um I think mostly it's been my

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my quest in my own life just wanting to hack life kind of seeing life as something good something

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magical and not giving up on that when I went into politics it was awful in the beginning because

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it's so hard and cynical but my strategy then has been just never attack and never defend myself

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just state my truth and smile so it's taken me a long time to realize it in the last three and a

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half years because I was absolutely shocked what happened in 2020 um but uh I think that the way

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that people like uh you me and many others in this group we've got 1500 members who uh are invited

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to twice weekly meetings and uh it kind of rotates you know who attends and who doesn't

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but they're all invited they were personally invited by members of the group and so it's a

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huge resource which you can we offer to you and to barabro in the future um I forgot what the

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question was so many um it'll come back to me uh so I just wanted so you were wondering what

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happened when you and and barabro as well can answer this um when uh you got to uh be a

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politician when you first arrived there and now I understand after three and a half years that this

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what we've seen in the last three and a half years was a global coup d'etat in March 2020

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and we're still waiting to find out whether it's successful or not and we need to win this um uh

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battle for our countries they want to get rid of nation-states they want to get rid of the

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middle classes uh they want to so the middle classes are very important um I've had it

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explained to me you've got the oppressed and the oppressors uh and if you've got a disinterested

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a relatively disinterested middle class who don't think that they're oppressed uh they're very

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important on checking the oppressors uh get rid of those the middle class and you can do that by

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many means uh so through the climate change nonsense you can tell people that they've got

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to do this and that to their houses and oh by the way it's going to cost you a hundred thousand

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pounds you know which is about a million uh norwegian kroners roughly I don't know what the

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norwegian kroner is against the pound uh and then a lot of people are going to make the wrong

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decision and say I can't afford that you know instead of opposing the proposed changes they'll

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say we can't afford that and they'll sell their houses then they become the oppressed so this is

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in my the in my view this is all about trying to impose totalitarian totalitarianism on on uh the

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western world in particular um and um and actually we've never been free and it's been shocking to me

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to realize this that you know I was misled just as everybody else was misled that the whole world is

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based on lies and so all the the higher uh ideals that I had um I've had to rethink you know that

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actually I was naive I didn't understand what was going on but so but at least we formed this group

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and and uh learned through having different speakers and then I came to understand and I

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don't think I would have understood without this group I didn't make it for that reason or didn't

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form it for that reason but that was the result so I think you will understand that you do the

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right thing uh not because you're going to be rewarded at the end of the process but because

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it's the right thing but the interesting thing is that when you do the right thing you do get

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rewarded but that's not the reason you do it um so I just wonder whether you've got any comments to make

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yeah I would just end with the saying that I totally agree with you when it comes to you know

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doing things from your heart is totally different from from doing it for a reward

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I really I totally mean it that I've never regretted one second on what I've done because

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even though I've been kind of attacked from all angles because I couldn't have survived not

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doing it because yes exactly yeah so um I think strong sense of the importance of truth because

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without truth you people can't take responsibility and if they can't take responsibility then there

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can be no morality and that means in turn that there can be no society either uh worth supporting

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so um Barbara I wonder whether you

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hi hi there were some ringing on the door I'm in Tromsø in my father's place right now

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I've got with a lawyer father and a teacher mother and I've been fighting my whole life

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against the conservative lawyers and with the support of my very critical thinker rebellion mom

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so it's in my blood it has always been like that so for me covid just even turned the light even

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just letting me get out there and do what I was supposed to do what I've always been doing

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in a way it's not to size sound like a flosco or a sentimental but it's the truth but it's been very

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hard for me as well as Susanne you said in your presentation that you uh I quote quite lonely uh

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I think you possibly meant very lonely but anyway um uh I just wondered whether you know whether

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I can introduce you to people like Lars Johansson and Mats Palsvik in Denmark

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Lars Johansson in in Sweden do you know either of those two people no right oh well I can

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introduce you and also I can do that for you Susanne um these are people you should be in

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touch with um I wanted to ask both of you

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so the the word in Swedish um because my wife is Swedish so I know Swedish I've worked in Sweden

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for I can't quite remember now so eight years was it um eight years then two and a half and then one

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um so yeah just over 10 years and I learned Swedish uh so I qualified as a radiologist in Sweden

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um and so I had to know Swedish to a pretty high level but but I was never comfortable speaking

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Swedish um because I never really uh did speak Swedish in Sweden in a social situation so anyway

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point is I wanted to know what so I got to hear of what was going on in Sweden with Barn

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so-called you know child uh whatever you call it what what would that be uh child care yes

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and also um the what's that word that I was introduced to by one of my good friends who

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was in the military who's also a medical doctor and I first arrived in Sweden something called

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it's a similar word in in Norwegian can you tell me what that word is

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the children could be yeah yeah sorry I just had to to I didn't hear the the last so my friend who

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was a doctor he was in the military as well but he was from the Finnish border um I think just on

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the Swedish side but I'm not sure about that but anyway he was a bit different and he was very

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very bright and he explained to me that Sweden wasn't quite what it appeared to be and that there

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were more children taken away from their parents in Sweden per head of population than any other

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country in the world and it was called fongs on hendertogna or something can you remember that

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it's the same but Norway and Sweden are approximately the same when it comes to

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taking away children from parents and like and um so people on the call in America in particular

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won't and maybe in the UK too won't understand that in Sweden it was considered so my friend

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was onto this and he told me very early in my stay in Sweden that this was going on and I was really

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shocked because the state it seemed seemed to think that they knew how to bring up children

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better than the parents the natural parents you know of course and of course they are they are

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saying that in Norway so that's uh that's it's it's it's you you bitch all of you who are listening

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to this chat now would be shocked if you listen to this system talking to normal parents

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in Norway it's like you are going into the kindergarten and they are speaking to you

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like you are an adult you have a house you have a job you have four children and a girl in

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27 years old no children herself very fresh in her job are really standing there telling

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the parents what they do not do in the right way so it's it's absurd and it's

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I have no words because it's the patria what's the name of the state who takes over as the

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the king of the no the father of the country it's a it's a term I have it in my natural law

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patriarchy no not patriarchy but it's a parents patri doctrine and it's when the states go in

450
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as the father of the children of the state it's that socialist experience marxist

451
0:57:35 --> 0:57:44
uh was way of thinking and if you get into the system like I am in child support and psychiatric

452
0:57:44 --> 0:57:53
cases if you are talked to as a child in the kindergarten exactly so my friend also said and

453
0:57:53 --> 0:58:02
this was um you know this was in the 80s that um that uh children in Sweden so he was making fun

454
0:58:02 --> 0:58:08
of the he had a kind of Finnish sense of humor and he could even though he was Swedish he could

455
0:58:08 --> 0:58:16
make fun of it he said that um children then in Dargis so called you know this is the kind of child

456
0:58:16 --> 0:58:22
estate child nursery so and uh you're supposed to be grateful for this even though it comes from

457
0:58:22 --> 0:58:30
your own taxes but they were taught how to uh so knäckebröd you know the hard bread so the Swedish

458
0:58:30 --> 0:58:37
bread at least has big holes on one side and small holes on the other or deep holes on one side and

459
0:58:38 --> 0:58:44
shallow holes on the other and children were taught at Dargis how to butter this knäckebröd

460
0:58:44 --> 0:58:50
now maybe he was exaggerating is that possibly true yeah but I can say that you could have

461
0:58:50 --> 0:58:55
child support on the door if you have one hole in the tooth of your child in Norway now

462
0:58:55 --> 0:59:06
yeah wow honestly I'm not lying I had a case they had four children and they run a small little

463
0:59:06 --> 0:59:12
company together and one other child he had inherited with his father's uh set of teeth a

464
0:59:12 --> 0:59:19
little weak teeth here in the back and the other two girls the one was the baby so but the other

465
0:59:19 --> 0:59:26
two girls had so strong teeth no holes no nothing but the son had and they called the child support

466
0:59:26 --> 0:59:31
and it was a big case and they had to pay all their costs to me but I kept it very low and I

467
0:59:31 --> 0:59:37
did it very effectively because I was so pissed off the way they treated them so they they closed

468
0:59:37 --> 0:59:45
the case but it took four months and a lot of time spent for the struggling family who tried to save

469
0:59:45 --> 0:59:53
their company after covid so I was just like are we there are we there now in Norway that you have

470
0:59:53 --> 0:59:58
a hole in the tooth and then you call the child support they had nothing else on that family

471
1:00:00 --> 1:00:08
so um I think it's true that uh in Sweden uh there was forced sterilization

472
1:00:09 --> 1:00:16
forced sterilization going on in Sweden until 1975 is that correct and then the law was changed

473
1:00:17 --> 1:00:23
I can't confirm because I'm not sure but in Norway we had the psychiatric mass grave

474
1:00:23 --> 1:00:30
on the main hospital in Oslo called Goasta and they've written a book about it where they

475
1:00:30 --> 1:00:37
lobotomized the Norwegian women who got children with the German soldiers

476
1:00:37 --> 1:00:44
so they they created a mass grave for all those victims of the psychiatry in Norway so it wouldn't

477
1:00:44 --> 1:00:51
um you know I I would not be surprised I wouldn't so I was going to ask you so um you if you don't

478
1:00:51 --> 1:00:57
know whether it's going on in Sweden until then I was going to ask you so what's the situation

479
1:00:57 --> 1:00:58
in Norway and possibly you don't know

480
1:01:00 --> 1:01:07
well sterilization with forced sterilization were they doing it until 1975 as well

481
1:01:08 --> 1:01:14
I wouldn't be surprised but I'm not sure I would probably I could dig into it but was this done

482
1:01:14 --> 1:01:22
in the psychiatric wards or no no forced sterilization was possible well maybe yes maybe

483
1:01:22 --> 1:01:29
but um I don't know exactly the details but I just know that as a general um you know forced

484
1:01:29 --> 1:01:39
sterilization was going on in Sweden until 1975 well I the only way I could really see that

485
1:01:40 --> 1:01:47
as a reality it would be in a subtle way because all forcing Norway is quite subtle you can do it

486
1:01:47 --> 1:01:56
in the hospitals you can do it in the psychiatric wards you could do it in in other subtle ways I

487
1:01:56 --> 1:02:03
don't think that the Swedish or the Norwegian state would just like announce that now we are

488
1:02:03 --> 1:02:10
going to force we don't have that way of forcing yes but if it's maybe but Barbara I noticed you

489
1:02:10 --> 1:02:16
using the word force and I was wondering whether you meant coercion because in my book coercion

490
1:02:16 --> 1:02:29
is still force don't you think yeah of course yeah but if that's true well uh I have I'm uh I'm

491
1:02:29 --> 1:02:38
speechless actually well yes but you know we had the covid propaganda in the UK uh and as far as

492
1:02:38 --> 1:02:43
I know throughout the western world they were saying that you need to protect your grandmother

493
1:02:43 --> 1:02:48
they were saying this to children in the UK you need to protect your grandmother that's why you

494
1:02:48 --> 1:02:55
need to wear a mask and that's why you need to stay six feet away from her absolutely outrageous

495
1:02:55 --> 1:03:01
coercion and psychological torture in my view and I think in the UK I couldn't understand what was

496
1:03:01 --> 1:03:06
wrong with the people um uh after all these lockdowns um but then I realized that they

497
1:03:06 --> 1:03:12
were acting like children uh and that they had been psychologically tortured into a state of

498
1:03:12 --> 1:03:22
Stockholm syndrome yeah yeah but I think like I said in earlier in Norway we had the oil money

499
1:03:22 --> 1:03:29
since 1975 and Norway has been a rich country and even the poor country people in Norway had a

500
1:03:29 --> 1:03:39
quite a good life before so we have as a collective in Norway a quite blind faith in the government

501
1:03:39 --> 1:03:48
hmm exactly the same yeah the same with Sweden we have collectively a blind faith it's it's

502
1:03:49 --> 1:03:56
so people said to me babbro you'll like this my they said to me why have Sweden had no lockdowns

503
1:03:56 --> 1:04:03
and I used to say to them with a smile on their face my face saying they don't need lockdowns in

504
1:04:03 --> 1:04:07
Sweden the people are already in the matrix as you put it

505
1:04:10 --> 1:04:16
it was the same in Norway shocking it really is shocking so anyway Charles the land of the Vikings

506
1:04:18 --> 1:04:24
the land of the Vikings yes successors of the Vikings yeah all right let's get some

507
1:04:25 --> 1:04:32
let's get some other let's get some other questions I've got a string of questions

508
1:04:33 --> 1:04:39
the and thank you Suzanne for posting the 10 principles everybody please consider in the chat

509
1:04:39 --> 1:04:46
those 10 principles of the new I said not freedom not not new political party new freedom

510
1:04:46 --> 1:04:50
group so that's in the chat I have other questions but well let's go to Janet first

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1:04:52 --> 1:05:01
hi excuse me thanks very much it's very very interesting um the Hallam case was mentioned

512
1:05:01 --> 1:05:05
on a few occasions but I'm not actually familiar with that and I was wondering whether you could

513
1:05:05 --> 1:05:10
summarize summarize the the case and and what happened there please

514
1:05:12 --> 1:05:22
yes I can do that I also posted in a word document in this chat um translation of an article who was

515
1:05:22 --> 1:05:35
uh uh who was written in a newspaper in Norway and so I had help translating it and I also

516
1:05:35 --> 1:05:47
and I had I wrote co-wrote wrote it but the whole one was picked up at his home

517
1:05:48 --> 1:05:50
um

518
1:05:51 --> 1:05:59
at home in the morning with the two from health and two police officers a very young doctor who

519
1:05:59 --> 1:06:11
asked him a lot of questions and he remained calm and he was uh he had a very good friend of him he

520
1:06:11 --> 1:06:13
he said who was saying to holland

521
1:06:18 --> 1:06:27
you you muted yourself then barbara yeah yeah and um and and from harald put up his hands so

522
1:06:27 --> 1:06:33
everybody knows who we're talking about hello thank you

523
1:06:33 --> 1:06:41
thank you if holland wants to talk about it himself it's okay with me I can do the the legal

524
1:06:43 --> 1:06:48
firms but if if he wants to to tell the story himself maybe that's more authentic

525
1:06:49 --> 1:06:50
are you able to do that

526
1:06:55 --> 1:06:57
I think he's muted is he

527
1:06:57 --> 1:06:59
um

528
1:07:05 --> 1:07:16
sorry I see yes okay um barbara was gone now where are you there I'm I'm here I just have a lot of

529
1:07:16 --> 1:07:21
family running around here now because I was alone when we started and now everybody's home

530
1:07:21 --> 1:07:27
I'm not at home I'm on holiday so that's why it's a little bit messy to sit here and

531
1:07:28 --> 1:07:37
remain calm yeah so do you so you're his lawyer so hang it holland is that holland there um

532
1:07:37 --> 1:07:44
who just spoke no that is the helper of the chetil he's been writing a lot of a lot of

533
1:07:44 --> 1:07:52
a lot of a lot of articles and been really the man behind all the spread both in twitter and in

534
1:07:53 --> 1:08:01
in facebook and in instagram so he's been writing this case in norwegians and helping a lot of

535
1:08:01 --> 1:08:07
journalists do and he's done an amazing job we could not have spread this case without yet it

536
1:08:08 --> 1:08:17
so he's the publicity um guy yeah yeah very good yeah and um so janet's question

537
1:08:19 --> 1:08:21
barbara just in terms of more of the holland case

538
1:08:23 --> 1:08:31
yeah they broke the terms of all the terms of the law the law is quite strict when it comes to use

539
1:08:31 --> 1:08:37
of force on a citizen and there are certain ground rules that has to be

540
1:08:39 --> 1:08:48
checked off as 100 to even be able to force somebody into um it's like an arrest this

541
1:08:48 --> 1:08:57
situation is the same as an arrest but the the citizen who is forced into the the police car

542
1:08:57 --> 1:09:04
he's not read his rights but holla knew this so he chose to say that i don't want to talk to you

543
1:09:04 --> 1:09:11
without a lawyer and then i came into the to the case a little bit earlier that day but

544
1:09:12 --> 1:09:21
none of the ground rules of the law was followed in this case because um yeah it's it's a little

545
1:09:21 --> 1:09:29
bit hard for me to talk in judicial language here but you have to be as a volunteer

546
1:09:30 --> 1:09:39
voluntarily have to be tried that's one term you have to have some kind of try on a volunteer way

547
1:09:39 --> 1:09:50
of helping a person you have to be a danger to yourself or others this was never even

548
1:09:50 --> 1:09:59
questions or because the hospital they said that he was never a danger to anyone and the doctor said

549
1:09:59 --> 1:10:06
that he got a message that holland has posted frequently on facebook that he was going into a

550
1:10:06 --> 1:10:18
psychosis or money or in any you know mania mania in mania mania yes and then he was forced into

551
1:10:19 --> 1:10:33
this kind kind of paragraph article 302 in in this law which gives the hospital 24 hours

552
1:10:33 --> 1:10:40
to observe the the person to see if that he's really crazy or not and they have to admit him or

553
1:10:41 --> 1:10:52
take him use the next article to force him into to to to to stay there for a longer time

554
1:10:53 --> 1:11:03
and none of this was he wasn't observed he wasn't he he wasn't doing anything all the

555
1:11:03 --> 1:11:11
reports say that he was polite well dressed fully aware of everything was happening explaining

556
1:11:11 --> 1:11:20
himself there was no signs of anything that the claimer had said to be the case in in this case

557
1:11:20 --> 1:11:27
and like i also said earlier you cannot as a private person just call 911 in norway and say

558
1:11:27 --> 1:11:34
we have a mentally ill person who's posting a lot of posts on facebook they will say well

559
1:11:34 --> 1:11:42
the health in norway we don't have persons we are kneeling we don't have the time sorry he has to

560
1:11:42 --> 1:11:51
do something before we can pick him up so that it has had to be it has to be somebody from the

561
1:11:51 --> 1:11:59
police or somebody high up because you can't just not you can't make a phone call like that

562
1:11:59 --> 1:12:04
so many people have tried to really admit really crazy persons running around naked or

563
1:12:06 --> 1:12:11
or doing this stuff you can't get them picked up because they don't have the capacity in norway

564
1:12:11 --> 1:12:18
because the health system in norway is really kneeling it's collapsing you have waitlist in

565
1:12:18 --> 1:12:27
norway for up to two years to have small things done so my best friends our best friends here in

566
1:12:27 --> 1:12:37
in tromsø they are one of them are neurosurgical surgical surgical doctor you know neurosurgery

567
1:12:37 --> 1:12:43
yes and he said now for the first time he was honest and he said that we have so long waitlists

568
1:12:43 --> 1:12:48
now in the hospital system that it's better now to actually tell the patients that you are not

569
1:12:48 --> 1:12:54
going to come in to have a surgery because we don't have the time you have to wait for at least one

570
1:12:54 --> 1:13:02
year one and a half year two years and now in this case this this man that's never any history of

571
1:13:02 --> 1:13:08
violence or anything it's just like oh he is posting high frequently for a couple of days

572
1:13:09 --> 1:13:16
and we just have to go and get him and and he's normal he talks like a normal person

573
1:13:16 --> 1:13:24
and explains himself and they still they are holding him for 10 days and then why why so the

574
1:13:24 --> 1:13:30
mathematician i can understand why they want to nail the mathematician i don't know the name of

575
1:13:30 --> 1:13:37
that mathematician by the way but um but holland holland i think it is um i don't understand why

576
1:13:37 --> 1:13:42
they wanted to go for him what was he doing that they didn't like there was such a threat to the

577
1:13:42 --> 1:13:51
norwegian state well he um press charges against the health minister of norway one year earlier

578
1:13:51 --> 1:13:58
because the vaccination of the children and they reported him to the police and write a long letter

579
1:13:58 --> 1:14:07
and he's been really using the numbers you know telling him telling the stories through

580
1:14:07 --> 1:14:13
numbers and and putting out the articles and also going to the police stations with other

581
1:14:13 --> 1:14:18
persons and actually pressing charges against the health minister so bebro is holland the

582
1:14:18 --> 1:14:23
mathematician that we're talking about or are they two different people no it's the same

583
1:14:24 --> 1:14:31
all right okay all right all right that's why the confusions are isn't them because i thought

584
1:14:31 --> 1:14:39
i didn't realize that holland was the mathematician yeah it is so what happened to him then is it is he

585
1:14:39 --> 1:14:46
still held was he released what 10 days he was released yeah and we had this mini court system

586
1:14:46 --> 1:14:55
in norway so then the lawyer turns turns up and and we have this one hour uh mini court case with

587
1:14:55 --> 1:15:04
four judges one lawyer one doctor with more than 25 years of experience and two like from the people

588
1:15:06 --> 1:15:13
and then you present the case and your witnesses and i had so many it's called the control

589
1:15:13 --> 1:15:21
commission i had so many cases for the cake the kk like we call them and i've never in my life

590
1:15:21 --> 1:15:31
experience that the person held on those very serious accusations of being a very very sick

591
1:15:31 --> 1:15:40
or mental ill man could walk out the door with me and the crew and the friends and the family who

592
1:15:40 --> 1:15:50
turned up that day and and we haven't got the you know you have to explain why you what what's the

593
1:15:50 --> 1:16:01
name in english you have to the court has to to form um prosecution prosecution yeah or conclusion

594
1:16:01 --> 1:16:10
in that conclusion they have to not take it step by step or the judgment you mean yes we haven't

595
1:16:11 --> 1:16:21
it wow still we haven't got it but he could they they they um they let him go and uh he could walk

596
1:16:21 --> 1:16:28
out with us uh that day and i've never seen anything like that because they always use a day or two

597
1:16:29 --> 1:16:36
and they never release a person on the spot like that so there was something very odd with with

598
1:16:36 --> 1:16:42
this case but we are going to dig more into it to get the answers and there are so many

599
1:16:43 --> 1:16:50
beautiful souls working on the case like kjerti and all the the people of stavanger

600
1:16:51 --> 1:16:57
which also susanne is from stavanger and it's in the western side of norway where the oil was

601
1:16:59 --> 1:17:06
the main capital of the oil industry in norway so he has just like had an army

602
1:17:06 --> 1:17:15
of engage people who has yeah he couldn't have done this without and that's also a very key

603
1:17:15 --> 1:17:23
thing to think about because i have many hollands to put it like that in the psychiatric wards

604
1:17:23 --> 1:17:29
around norway like i said but many of them they don't have the media covering they don't have

605
1:17:30 --> 1:17:36
so many friends turning up but they don't have family because often family is the one who reports

606
1:17:36 --> 1:17:44
it and they are scared as well because the hospital they use like a method to divide the families

607
1:17:44 --> 1:17:52
like in the child security system exactly what they did with covid yes yes so cruel and you see

608
1:17:52 --> 1:17:58
what they're doing it's pure evil yeah and and i think my strength now as a lawyer

609
1:17:59 --> 1:18:06
the company i work for in oslo we are 50 lawyers and i could never have been so free if my boss

610
1:18:06 --> 1:18:14
didn't know who what i was doing and he said to me one of the main reasons we hired you and wanted

611
1:18:14 --> 1:18:21
here is not because i have an exceptionally analytic

612
1:18:22 --> 1:18:27
law brain because i'm quite creative i've been working for the in the music industry for many

613
1:18:27 --> 1:18:36
years but like they said you know the game so i use their game against them i use the humanity

614
1:18:36 --> 1:18:43
and i turned the mirror instead of just like taking my final procedure and being a lawyer

615
1:18:45 --> 1:18:51
so there are lots of people where you have no idea who will see this video so can you explain

616
1:18:51 --> 1:18:59
as a lawyer the importance of no one getting lost in a psychiatric system no matter in which country

617
1:19:00 --> 1:19:07
because as you've just said if you have no allies and many don't or they desert you or whatever you

618
1:19:07 --> 1:19:13
know if you have no allies you get lost in the system and obviously once you realize that you're

619
1:19:14 --> 1:19:21
getting stuck in it you might make a noise about it and then they have they then say that you

620
1:19:21 --> 1:19:26
you really are crazy you know and you would be crazy you and i would be crazy if we were falsely

621
1:19:26 --> 1:19:34
accused falsely in prison and so can you explain if you can that is the importance to everyone in

622
1:19:34 --> 1:19:41
the world of what we're talking about now you know people getting lost in psychiatric systems

623
1:19:42 --> 1:19:48
and child security systems and i would just say that the pattern for me which i have discovered

624
1:19:49 --> 1:19:56
and taking also covid into that account it's the it's the it's the way to

625
1:19:57 --> 1:20:03
capture people like you say capture them in the system because if you are just long enough in the

626
1:20:03 --> 1:20:12
psychiatric ward and they give you this the plexa the suppression drug cplexa anti-psychotic

627
1:20:13 --> 1:20:21
yeah they inject it to you and then you are a junkie after six to eight months with

628
1:20:21 --> 1:20:26
injecting this you can't stop because is it chlorpromazine or something like that

629
1:20:29 --> 1:20:31
chlorpromazine or something like that haiko might know

630
1:20:31 --> 1:20:34
so

631
1:20:38 --> 1:20:47
just before i lost my point major tranquilizer it is so and so they caused parkinsonian symptoms i

632
1:20:47 --> 1:20:53
think from memory yeah and it's the same with the drug addicts in norway we have this system they are

633
1:20:53 --> 1:20:59
going rolled into and it's a big pharmacosystem with the methadone and subutex you know it's a

634
1:20:59 --> 1:21:07
lifelong commitment but when they actually write on the the contract i'm going to take methadone

635
1:21:07 --> 1:21:12
they don't know that they are 10 years of their lives are stolen and they will not get off it's

636
1:21:12 --> 1:21:18
the same with suprexa it's the same like the system with the child's security if you have one

637
1:21:18 --> 1:21:25
case they will never let you go and if they see that you don't have allies if they see that you

638
1:21:25 --> 1:21:34
are alone single mom single dad with bad finances you know it's so visible who they targeted out in

639
1:21:34 --> 1:21:42
this and i must say of course there are cases that people are really in need of hospitalization

640
1:21:42 --> 1:21:47
maybe they should have gone to some more healing place but they need to be taken out of society

641
1:21:47 --> 1:21:52
because they're dangerous or there are bad parents you know violence and everything but

642
1:21:52 --> 1:22:00
like i think it's in 90 90 percent of the cases is poor is poor people it's people who don't have

643
1:22:00 --> 1:22:09
allies it's like it's good for these systems so it's the same with cove with the child security

644
1:22:09 --> 1:22:17
it's just like i write on my natural law page which is my heart natural law it's it's companies

645
1:22:18 --> 1:22:24
the states are companies and they need supplies for the companies and this are good money to earn

646
1:22:25 --> 1:22:34
in this big farmica you know deals they have done internationally so it's corporate thinking

647
1:22:34 --> 1:22:43
we are just papers on our social security number you know so but if you are over the red line like

648
1:22:43 --> 1:22:51
the red line like i say i made the upper middle class middle class and up you don't have child

649
1:22:51 --> 1:22:58
security on your door you don't have psychiatric coming up to your mansion with you know it doesn't

650
1:22:58 --> 1:23:05
touch people like that it's just from this and down so but it might touch them it might touch

651
1:23:05 --> 1:23:12
carry on with the compliance that we see now yes we got questions the beauty of it

652
1:23:12 --> 1:23:20
because covid turned it around now is targeting even rich people so i have been contacted by so

653
1:23:20 --> 1:23:29
many rich clients now because they are actually waking up and see that we are not even we are not

654
1:23:29 --> 1:23:36
safe anymore so it's a good thing also because if you have clients with money they really fight

655
1:23:38 --> 1:23:45
so yeah very good okay rose thank you janet for the first step i want to say ladies

656
1:23:45 --> 1:23:51
thank you very much you're you're both wonderful and barbara first and foremost you're never alone

657
1:23:51 --> 1:24:00
because this is definitely a global fight so you're not alone and before i get to my

658
1:24:00 --> 1:24:05
quick question i wanted to let susanne know so many people say the quote power corrupts absolute

659
1:24:05 --> 1:24:13
power corrupts absolutely but they forget the third part that power attracts the corrupt so

660
1:24:13 --> 1:24:19
the fact that you don't want the job is the person who makes a good politician

661
1:24:20 --> 1:24:28
barbara two questions for you the first is is the movie sound of freedom being released

662
1:24:28 --> 1:24:35
over there and are people being able to watch it as far as the child trafficking being one of the

663
1:24:36 --> 1:24:44
if not the biggest underlying issue to all of this with those in power and with children being

664
1:24:44 --> 1:24:53
taken away from families and then the the second question i have for you is what legal strategy

665
1:24:53 --> 1:25:02
are you using the most in your arguments because i'm finding here in the u.s. that so many basic

666
1:25:02 --> 1:25:08
arguments are not being addressed and in particular i'll say inappropriate terminology of

667
1:25:08 --> 1:25:17
even the term vaccination and the fact that they're illegally bypassing irb safety boards

668
1:25:17 --> 1:25:24
or illegally acting as irb safety boards soliciting for research so those are my two main questions

669
1:25:24 --> 1:25:31
for you okay i will start with the the last question because that really the question

670
1:25:31 --> 1:25:39
itself resonated with me and i've been adjusting my the way i speak in court

671
1:25:41 --> 1:25:50
by using my spiritual inner light because that was the only way to survive it because it was

672
1:25:50 --> 1:25:57
like meeting a wall with the enemies all over the place in the beginning but now i have some

673
1:25:58 --> 1:26:05
some ways of preparing and it's the it's the light work we did that in the whole line case me and

674
1:26:05 --> 1:26:15
susanna it's it's not legal but it's like more using the legal terms and turning it around

675
1:26:15 --> 1:26:22
so that the judges actually feel what i'm saying and not just standing there reading up what the

676
1:26:22 --> 1:26:30
supreme court said and what the law is saying and and the way we practice the law but you know

677
1:26:30 --> 1:26:41
really work on connecting this fact this case this unique case on the paragraphs of this field of law

678
1:26:42 --> 1:26:49
and i can see it's working because we still have normal people not the judges like

679
1:26:49 --> 1:27:00
um with the same degree as me as a jurist we have people of every professions in in the courtrooms

680
1:27:00 --> 1:27:05
so my strategy has been just to

681
1:27:07 --> 1:27:17
to humane to to make it human when i talk about poland or i talk about iris which is a nurse i

682
1:27:17 --> 1:27:24
also talk about your daughter your your son your grandchildren where we're headed have you thought

683
1:27:24 --> 1:27:34
about if we are going to to to lock up people who doesn't agree with us how will that affect

684
1:27:35 --> 1:27:45
our all of our security when we go out on the town one one evening like i try always

685
1:27:45 --> 1:27:51
to to turn the mirror to the audience and it really helps and to taking the divine

686
1:27:53 --> 1:28:01
the spiritual delight into that courtroom have has given me some so many now magical

687
1:28:02 --> 1:28:09
divine moments and i think that really happened in the whole land case that's the case i really

688
1:28:09 --> 1:28:19
something really powerful happened in there because if you which i can say i'm maybe now man

689
1:28:19 --> 1:28:21
are managing more and more

690
1:28:25 --> 1:28:33
i want them to feel it not just listen but to feel what i'm saying and taking the court backs

691
1:28:33 --> 1:28:41
the court backs to the people coming the audience all the people who are coming to the court cases

692
1:28:41 --> 1:28:50
that we have now like up to 75 they had to take a courtroom to give to them and they were sitting

693
1:28:50 --> 1:28:58
in the judges chairs and you know it was like even though the the clerk who worked there he was

694
1:28:58 --> 1:29:06
he was more and more happy as the day went by and and you know just humanizing it again you know

695
1:29:06 --> 1:29:14
taking back them the heart to the people's court and not just let them sit there in their black

696
1:29:14 --> 1:29:23
robes and and and make but make them responsible that's my strategy strategy in every case now

697
1:29:24 --> 1:29:28
what if it was your daughter beautiful

698
1:29:31 --> 1:29:33
and your first question

699
1:29:35 --> 1:29:41
i just wanted to answer the first question about the the film it's not in norway and it hasn't been

700
1:29:43 --> 1:29:48
um shown any places here no it's not written about

701
1:29:54 --> 1:30:00
i just have to say something and as a representative for the people like all politicians

702
1:30:00 --> 1:30:06
or elected politicians should be i think it's really important to protect the people in

703
1:30:07 --> 1:30:13
we are the sovereigns we are what constitutes the government we are

704
1:30:13 --> 1:30:15
are

705
1:30:17 --> 1:30:27
it's the individuals that together form the democracy and we are innocent until otherwise

706
1:30:27 --> 1:30:37
proven that goes only both in the legal in criminal cases but also in in health you know

707
1:30:37 --> 1:30:44
like if if it's you know people they can't just go and pick up somebody and put them in

708
1:30:46 --> 1:30:53
locked up room like that like we've seen with holland it's so important what babel just said that

709
1:30:54 --> 1:31:03
re-humanizing the system re-humanizing democracy re-humanizing law re-humanizing the whole society

710
1:31:04 --> 1:31:11
to work for the best for people not for not to produce criminals produce

711
1:31:12 --> 1:31:22
illness and traumas imagine how many people has been traumatized by this system that with that

712
1:31:22 --> 1:31:32
comes with the intention of helping and it becomes a trauma trauma for them no this is not acceptable

713
1:31:32 --> 1:31:40
and we need the system of the people in the system to see the consequences of treating each

714
1:31:40 --> 1:31:50
other like that so i i'm i'm i so much agree with what babel just said we have to talk maybe less

715
1:31:50 --> 1:31:59
legal language less professional language and more human language in all the systems

716
1:31:59 --> 1:32:04
well said yes bringing your heart back to the court that's a strange concept barbara and susanne

717
1:32:06 --> 1:32:09
thank you rose for those questions heiko

718
1:32:11 --> 1:32:15
first of all i want to say that how happy i am that i have this beautiful

719
1:32:16 --> 1:32:22
lawyer at my back that's why i can will i dare more than i usually would dare

720
1:32:22 --> 1:32:28
than i usually would dare and something it was mentioned from of her about this

721
1:32:28 --> 1:32:36
lobotomy hospital called gausta they were working together with the cia doing experiments

722
1:32:37 --> 1:32:44
and i was working there in 76 and the the main doctor took me to the house

723
1:32:44 --> 1:32:51
heiko you are from germany can you help me with a project and i i teach you hypnotherapy

724
1:32:51 --> 1:32:58
such a what what you want your you know he has so many patients girls who have epiphrenia they

725
1:32:58 --> 1:33:06
don't want to want to have a no difference between what's you they can't say no anyway

726
1:33:06 --> 1:33:10
your job will be to sterilize everyone every girl here

727
1:33:13 --> 1:33:18
so that's my experience with the service of psychage psychiatry and when i got

728
1:33:18 --> 1:33:30
uh uh had gotten yeah did the things i did with the vaccine centers um i was called by the police

729
1:33:30 --> 1:33:36
every day you have to come to a psychiatric evaluation because i think we you must have a

730
1:33:36 --> 1:33:43
problem and i was terrified because i didn't want to get into the hospital and get these

731
1:33:43 --> 1:33:49
medications in my arm and so it ended up that i went

732
1:33:51 --> 1:33:56
voluntary to the psychiatrist psychiatrist who grilled me for two hours

733
1:33:57 --> 1:34:05
and after that when when was this was that so in 76 you asked to take part in these experiments

734
1:34:05 --> 1:34:13
on young girls no experiments anymore no experiments anymore that was a treatment

735
1:34:14 --> 1:34:23
that was to fight them from getting pregnant yeah when was that then i could okay and but but are

736
1:34:23 --> 1:34:29
you but then you went on to talk about what what was happening now is that right yes the last three

737
1:34:29 --> 1:34:38
years and when i was can i explain it heiko okay yeah yeah heiko was doing a activist

738
1:34:40 --> 1:34:48
action in oslo he and they went to the vaccine center and he stole his own vaccine because he

739
1:34:48 --> 1:34:56
wanted to put it in the in the laboratory to check out what's in it and they arrested him and took

740
1:34:56 --> 1:35:00
his shot from his arms i've seen the video everything is filmed it was

741
1:35:02 --> 1:35:14
quite funny actually only in norway but anyway i had the case for for heiko and he was called in

742
1:35:14 --> 1:35:25
to do a very very deep and long psychiatric evaluation and that the police was terrorizing

743
1:35:25 --> 1:35:32
him and then i took the correspondence with between him so he could just relax a little bit

744
1:35:32 --> 1:35:37
but he was really scared and they scared him everybody would be terrified because they want

745
1:35:37 --> 1:35:45
him into the hospital to evaluate his psychiatric health and then we we made a deal he took the

746
1:35:46 --> 1:35:51
i said to heiko you don't have to do it but he wanted to do it just to get it over with because

747
1:35:51 --> 1:35:54
they didn't give up on him wanted to sleep

748
1:35:56 --> 1:36:03
what i wanted to sleep again yeah he couldn't sleep he was very scared and

749
1:36:04 --> 1:36:12
and so so he he had to go in and do that and i was as a lawyer i was scared myself because

750
1:36:12 --> 1:36:25
it was so massive this was in 21 yeah and then you found us heiko no yeah even before but

751
1:36:27 --> 1:36:34
the psychiatrist well i had my my spy glasses on and filmed the whole session again like when i

752
1:36:34 --> 1:36:43
was trying to to steal my vaccine and and he said well i can't find anything wrong with you but you

753
1:36:43 --> 1:36:51
have to understand you have to get a punishment i hope you have a good punch because you will

754
1:36:51 --> 1:36:54
lose your license that was the deal

755
1:36:56 --> 1:37:02
sorry the deal was that you lost your license yes instead of getting into psychiatric hospital

756
1:37:03 --> 1:37:06
well that was in 21 in norway 21 years

757
1:37:08 --> 1:37:15
yeah in a kangaroo court no it was no court only with the doctor only the psychiatrist who was

758
1:37:15 --> 1:37:20
evaluating him so so barbara why couldn't you defend heiko it's outrageous that they

759
1:37:21 --> 1:37:25
we have we have followed up with the case with a complaint to the top

760
1:37:25 --> 1:37:33
to the top uh uh with this case so it's not settled

761
1:37:35 --> 1:37:41
just to get this clear you mean you were coerced into into doing a deal with these bastards

762
1:37:44 --> 1:37:51
um not that way he's just that to told me at the end okay i can't find anything wrong

763
1:37:51 --> 1:38:00
but you have to you have to get i think you have to count on that you will lose your license

764
1:38:01 --> 1:38:08
that's what he said yes so what and so who took your license away from you him or the board

765
1:38:09 --> 1:38:15
medical board you didn't volunteer to lose your license no no so you mean that he had direct

766
1:38:15 --> 1:38:26
communication with the board yes well yeah the other thing is that i uh i used the hydroxychloroquine

767
1:38:27 --> 1:38:34
and this the boss of the other director director of the medical what you call it

768
1:38:34 --> 1:38:42
so not association but a group in norway he said well you shouldn't do it and i did anyway so all

769
1:38:42 --> 1:38:52
hundreds prescriptions i wrote only one pharmacist accused me heiko who was it the doctor who said to

770
1:38:52 --> 1:38:58
you that you'll have to lose your license or if you don't do that then we're going to have to get

771
1:38:58 --> 1:39:04
you in for an evaluation is that right psychiatric evaluation no i know he just said uh we we can't

772
1:39:04 --> 1:39:10
find anything but uh you have you have he just wanted to help me i think you have to count you

773
1:39:10 --> 1:39:16
have to be ready for losing your license and then i lost my license

774
1:39:18 --> 1:39:24
all right but i also i also accused the this director who said no to high toxic chloroquine

775
1:39:24 --> 1:39:36
and so on and for for being uh behind mass murder three times so in your view do you think that the

776
1:39:36 --> 1:39:42
state was cooperating at a high level so the medical board was cooperating with the

777
1:39:43 --> 1:39:49
with the people who wanted to do a psychiatric valuation on you very much yes especially

778
1:39:53 --> 1:39:58
all right thank you thank you thank you thank you sounds like the soviet union

779
1:39:58 --> 1:40:06
um i just have to say that one thing because this is my last day of holiday and my father just

780
1:40:06 --> 1:40:14
arrived and i have two of my three children in here so i have to abort now but uh and i really

781
1:40:14 --> 1:40:20
do we have trond holland here just before you go you have to go and schuzanne is here trond

782
1:40:20 --> 1:40:21
he's fixed his microphone

783
1:40:25 --> 1:40:28
hello yes okay

784
1:40:32 --> 1:40:36
is it okay that i abort now trund yes it's okay

785
1:40:38 --> 1:40:47
i don't know i'm just you need some yeah later yeah but i want to before i go i want to thank you

786
1:40:47 --> 1:40:53
so much for inviting me on this and i can say it's been for me as a lawyer quite alone i've

787
1:40:53 --> 1:41:00
also been a little bit scared sometimes so i'm deeply grateful that this now is been lifted out

788
1:41:00 --> 1:41:08
of norway and it means a lot and i also so you all can check out i have a client called simon goddick

789
1:41:09 --> 1:41:16
he is on twitter and he is really posting hard now because we have sued his employer big corporation

790
1:41:16 --> 1:41:28
because he was speaking freely on twitter of posting critical covid so lost his very good job

791
1:41:28 --> 1:41:37
in this norway company who which we have now sued so this is also a case who's gone quite viral now

792
1:41:37 --> 1:41:44
in twitter thankfully because for me visibility is also security so

793
1:41:46 --> 1:41:50
yeah so i'm really grateful and i'm not kidding when i'm saying this it's been

794
1:41:52 --> 1:41:59
like this little nest here in norway which i felt like the authorities just can do whatever

795
1:41:59 --> 1:42:09
they want so now that we are lifting this out it gives me more um you know a spirit to keep on doing

796
1:42:09 --> 1:42:16
what i'm doing because if not maybe i would just had a lot would have taken a long pause it's been

797
1:42:16 --> 1:42:22
very tough well we can put you in touch with lawyers all around the world at barrow and what's

798
1:42:22 --> 1:42:26
happening in norway is happening in all the countries in the world are just about so there's

799
1:42:26 --> 1:42:35
no way that this was not planned of course i know that yeah thank you for can i just ask you one

800
1:42:35 --> 1:42:42
thing about simon simon what's his name goddick yeah so i think he's the guy can you confirm this

801
1:42:42 --> 1:42:49
was he calling out certain people in the uh freedom movement shall we say for never talking about the

802
1:42:49 --> 1:42:58
lockdowns the harms of lockdowns yeah probably right interesting so i've seen his tweets he's

803
1:42:58 --> 1:43:04
very good i think he has four or five hundred thousand followers now so yeah he's very good

804
1:43:05 --> 1:43:12
yeah he is and and we have now sued so they have uh the limit on responding this case

805
1:43:13 --> 1:43:19
their lawyers on the other the corporations lawyers 15 of august they have to respond to the

806
1:43:19 --> 1:43:26
lawsuit that we sent in june so it's a very exciting case because it's go on the freedom of

807
1:43:26 --> 1:43:35
speech and uh he's very tough it's not giving in so this is also a case who's coming up here

808
1:43:35 --> 1:43:40
in the autumn in norway so it's been high pressure so i'm very grateful to be able to come here and

809
1:43:40 --> 1:43:48
talk and i hope i can come back and give you some updates when the cases are proceeding

810
1:43:49 --> 1:43:55
absolutely absolutely go back to your father and your children and we'll have trance speak to us

811
1:43:55 --> 1:43:59
about his experience with you and he'll say nice things about his lawyer hopefully

812
1:44:01 --> 1:44:06
yes okay bye bye bye everybody bye then bye bye thank you

813
1:44:06 --> 1:44:13
yeah okay tron so give us and um susan i have some questions for you but tron you go first

814
1:44:13 --> 1:44:19
and share us share your perspective of this this uh tyranny that is happening in your country

815
1:44:21 --> 1:44:30
well i was uh waking up to knocking on the door from police and um one doctor one nurse i think

816
1:44:30 --> 1:44:37
and and i went out and they said that they want they they were there because i posted some

817
1:44:38 --> 1:44:41
posted on facebook stuff and

818
1:44:44 --> 1:44:47
i was brought into hospital and um

819
1:44:49 --> 1:44:57
was forced into such a sacrietic what treatment and uh

820
1:44:57 --> 1:44:59
uh

821
1:45:02 --> 1:45:07
i um yeah that's what's hello

822
1:45:10 --> 1:45:17
we can hear you um you can hear you okay no and then um yeah and then um i got a lot of

823
1:45:17 --> 1:45:25
a lot of people supporting me and um yeah it was 10 days and then it was the court case and um the

824
1:45:25 --> 1:45:33
doctor hadn't read the posts that i posted on internet she hadn't read any facebook posts so

825
1:45:34 --> 1:45:41
she had meant that i was psychotic without reading what the post was about it was mostly

826
1:45:44 --> 1:45:50
about batches and um norman fanton and all star they used those sources um yeah

827
1:45:51 --> 1:46:03
to show yeah and um it was uh yeah um it was um very strange i didn't really know why

828
1:46:03 --> 1:46:09
the reason the concrete reason i didn't i didn't understand why i was there

829
1:46:12 --> 1:46:18
actually um it was only the post i heard the first um doctor said when i came out

830
1:46:18 --> 1:46:30
uh yeah but in the hospital they were okay and um the nurses and everybody was okay and the police

831
1:46:30 --> 1:46:39
was also okay when we went on the stairs and um but um yeah it was very strange experience

832
1:46:40 --> 1:46:47
did you uh tron did you ever get a an apology from anyone no the case is got this case is ongoing we

833
1:46:47 --> 1:46:57
haven't got any any conclusions from the court and um we are uh waiting for for uh for a report

834
1:46:57 --> 1:47:03
from on the court and then we are taking the case further and barbara is working on the case so yeah

835
1:47:03 --> 1:47:12
that's that's um so we're just waiting for that could he go to okay and i have

836
1:47:12 --> 1:47:19
i have tron i have dealt with a number of such matters in australia of people literally being

837
1:47:19 --> 1:47:27
involuntarily dragged into psychiatric wards it's a similar process in australia and and i think the

838
1:47:27 --> 1:47:36
insight for all of us is that if you have support and people who have people who come along and show

839
1:47:36 --> 1:47:42
that support it makes a big difference in how the psychiatric system works tron so it's very

840
1:47:42 --> 1:47:48
it's very good that that barbara was there to help and you know they they will the more of us that

841
1:47:48 --> 1:47:56
push back the the less likely less likely they are to do this so it's wonderful that you had barbara's

842
1:47:56 --> 1:48:03
support yeah a lot of friends that came visiting and and um provide provided me with what i what

843
1:48:03 --> 1:48:10
i needed and um also it's only 10 success rates that you if you complain to them to the court it's

844
1:48:10 --> 1:48:21
only 10 that win the case and it was um it was consensus all voted for me letting me go and um

845
1:48:21 --> 1:48:27
yeah so it was very quick 20 minutes half an hour and the court decided to let me go

846
1:48:28 --> 1:48:37
um but trund it's shocking that the doctor didn't even know what the other were that got you in the

847
1:48:37 --> 1:48:45
in the place in the hospital to start with no she hadn't read the post that's supposedly was the

848
1:48:45 --> 1:48:52
reason why i had to stay there so she hadn't read any of them that's very strange and it was also

849
1:48:52 --> 1:49:00
yeah she hadn't read any posts that i had posted that but she said that i had to stay there because

850
1:49:00 --> 1:49:11
of those posts so anonymous uh uh uh complaint yes i don't know who who who it was no they said it

851
1:49:11 --> 1:49:18
was a friend but as barbara says they don't react like that if a friend maybe it was a previous

852
1:49:18 --> 1:49:22
uh

853
1:49:25 --> 1:49:33
uh since i'm your friend i have read all the papers from the hospital yes and um

854
1:49:34 --> 1:49:42
they were desperately trying to find that you you were this illusioned is it called desolationed

855
1:49:43 --> 1:49:58
uh yes desolationed and um um she didn't even uh not write the uh read the the facebook post

856
1:49:58 --> 1:50:06
but it was mentioned very often in the papers and also you told me that she react when you told that

857
1:50:07 --> 1:50:16
almost all of norway knows this case now and she didn't know the psychiatrist didn't know

858
1:50:17 --> 1:50:27
but it was standing in five minor newspapers so that was true but when i read in the papers

859
1:50:27 --> 1:50:35
that was a sign that you were desolationed that you thought the norway knew about this case

860
1:50:35 --> 1:50:45
but it was true and one more thing uh they wrote that uh when you because you didn't want to talk

861
1:50:45 --> 1:50:52
without your lawyer then you were not socializing and that was a sign of uh that you were sick

862
1:50:53 --> 1:51:01
but uh since you get uh much uh visitors because you have many friends uh that was a sign that you

863
1:51:01 --> 1:51:09
were socializing and both they they used both in two different papers as a same sign that you were

864
1:51:09 --> 1:51:21
sick uh so they were so desperately trying to find something yes that was uh just about what it was

865
1:51:21 --> 1:51:28
to say thank you let's tron did they stop you doing the work that you were doing which got you

866
1:51:29 --> 1:51:35
no i was allowed to post but i stopped i actually thought that okay it's it's it's probably a good

867
1:51:35 --> 1:51:40
idea to have a break so i was allowed to have communication with outside world so i was allowed

868
1:51:40 --> 1:51:48
to keep the phone and i was allowed to to to post and i did so but i i i thought maybe i should stop

869
1:51:48 --> 1:51:56
i i just need to get out of here that must be my first priority so um just um yeah so i didn't post

870
1:51:57 --> 1:52:04
anymore um i meant now though i meant now now now i've posted a little bit but not much

871
1:52:04 --> 1:52:10
i will start posting but yeah i have i have written some posts but not much

872
1:52:11 --> 1:52:16
so they've they've managed to do what they set out to do which was to silence you and to make

873
1:52:16 --> 1:52:17
an example

874
1:52:19 --> 1:52:27
yeah i think so because it was only the posts and um um yeah i don't have any other explanation

875
1:52:27 --> 1:52:32
explanation that they do that yeah it was only the post that was a reason why they came and that

876
1:52:32 --> 1:52:39
was the first thing they said when they was on when they when the doctor asked me um was my

877
1:52:39 --> 1:52:47
facebook posts um that they didn't read actually but um yeah um all right john thank you thank you

878
1:52:47 --> 1:52:55
for being here it is a is an important story for all of us to be aware of of what we know is going

879
1:52:55 --> 1:53:02
on but seeing you here and then spreading the word because the more that know about these activities

880
1:53:02 --> 1:53:09
the more protection we have all right we have to keep keep moving um susan i have a question for you

881
1:53:12 --> 1:53:21
this is you make the comment you made the comment that we don't have democracy and i'm i'm interested

882
1:53:21 --> 1:53:31
in your your thoughts on how we address that so we talked about smaller local good but but what's your

883
1:53:32 --> 1:53:38
way forward on this problem of no democracy of the people not having a voice what's what's the

884
1:53:38 --> 1:53:43
solution for that and and uh you know one of the questions one of the thoughts that occurs to me is

885
1:53:43 --> 1:53:50
that if you are a representative of the people now with technology you could say hey there's a

886
1:53:50 --> 1:53:57
proposal to lock everybody up who questions the government narrative for example and so you could

887
1:53:57 --> 1:54:03
ask all of your voters in your seat to share their views should people be locked up or should they

888
1:54:03 --> 1:54:08
not and that could all be done electronically so we could get direct people's input on every single

889
1:54:08 --> 1:54:14
vote that a representative votes on for example what are you what's your thinking of of how we

890
1:54:14 --> 1:54:22
deal with this problem thank you for that question it's uh that's this is what i've been trying to

891
1:54:22 --> 1:54:31
hack for many years now what i see is that we first need to protect the individual the

892
1:54:31 --> 1:54:41
sovereignty of the individual through so that the democracy cannot interfere with the private sphere

893
1:54:41 --> 1:54:53
that's number one and when it comes to our common society we can absolutely involve people in direct

894
1:54:53 --> 1:55:02
democracy much much more informed direct democracy and in in even co-creating

895
1:55:02 --> 1:55:12
uh knowledge and ideas and solutions in society so these are the thoughts that are put into the new

896
1:55:12 --> 1:55:18
organization the new movement the people's movement that i will or we will translate into english and

897
1:55:18 --> 1:55:24
spread to other countries it's just we're such a small organization still and working with the

898
1:55:24 --> 1:55:32
election in norway so we haven't been able to do it yet but but the whole um the whole package

899
1:55:32 --> 1:55:39
in in the organization that i started one and a half years ago is supposed to be a solution for

900
1:55:39 --> 1:55:51
a new way of doing democracy where people real people actually are uh joining in in taking

901
1:55:51 --> 1:55:58
decisions because what i see well the first thing i saw it's the it's the tendency to

902
1:55:58 --> 1:56:05
centralize power more and more and more and fewer and fewer hands and and also letting money power

903
1:56:05 --> 1:56:16
and technology power interfere with with the democracy that has to stop and we have to reverse

904
1:56:16 --> 1:56:23
and we have to find solutions and how to do deal with that and the 10 principles that just came to

905
1:56:23 --> 1:56:31
me one night in the middle of the night and i had to write them down those are kind of a um

906
1:56:33 --> 1:56:41
it's a suggestion that we can agree upon some principles uh and they can be interpreted

907
1:56:41 --> 1:56:48
in different ways for for different people but that can be kind of a way of gathering the

908
1:56:48 --> 1:56:54
the different part political parties under one umbrella to transfer the p the power back to the

909
1:56:54 --> 1:57:04
people again and um after we agree on some democratic principles we have to uh install

910
1:57:05 --> 1:57:19
in society a system that includes and invites people to uh to co-create society together

911
1:57:20 --> 1:57:30
in such a way that the best arguments will will be most popular and and as a process

912
1:57:30 --> 1:57:38
instead of just jumping on a boat like are you for or against that can be kind of

913
1:57:41 --> 1:57:46
that can take us in the wrong direction because people also needs to be involved in the process

914
1:57:46 --> 1:57:57
of finding the solution so it's more in in depth and i i believe that what we see now with the

915
1:57:57 --> 1:58:08
centralized power is going in a direction of uh technocracy more than democracy and the difference

916
1:58:08 --> 1:58:18
is demo is of course the people that govern and technocracy is when experts and for instance ai

917
1:58:19 --> 1:58:30
uh govern so those two directions i see uh and uh it i also see a tendency of of calling still

918
1:58:30 --> 1:58:39
calling it a democracy even though it's more like an expert uh way of governing the society even us

919
1:58:39 --> 1:58:46
like being elected politicians we're not hands-on at all with with the direction of society because

920
1:58:46 --> 1:58:55
it's experts that gives us the direction and we kind of just jump on board with that and

921
1:58:56 --> 1:59:03
that can be devastating when we know that centralized power is so easy to corrupt because

922
1:59:03 --> 1:59:08
it's just one place you have to do it instead of you have to convince the whole people everyone

923
1:59:09 --> 1:59:17
so decentralization of power is the way as i see it to avoid corruption of the system

924
1:59:17 --> 1:59:25
and secure the individual's freedom of expression and living the way they want and you know we are

925
1:59:26 --> 1:59:34
so many different cultures and people around the world and we need to be able to follow our own

926
1:59:35 --> 1:59:42
wishes for how to live how to express how to um yeah how to use our life here

927
1:59:44 --> 1:59:49
so i i don't know how to be very concrete with it but i see that we need to gather around some

928
1:59:49 --> 1:59:57
very very simple principles and we need to teach the people to take responsibility again take them

929
1:59:57 --> 2:00:07
out of the couch and netflix you know and and and be more active in and forming the local communities

930
2:00:07 --> 2:00:15
and also the um you know instead of thinking global governance we need to think

931
2:00:18 --> 2:00:24
international cooperation the nations can cooperate or we can cooperate through

932
2:00:24 --> 2:00:31
you know from city to city from wherever but the global top-down

933
2:00:32 --> 2:00:38
governance it's not very human to me then we become kind of

934
2:00:41 --> 2:00:48
the our empowerment is just taken away from us as humans i don't know if that explains something

935
2:00:48 --> 2:00:53
that does beautifully because in the meetings that we've had here we have explored

936
2:00:53 --> 2:00:59
this decades long since world war ii this technocracy being imposed on us through the

937
2:00:59 --> 2:01:05
world economic forum that's precisely what's happening you articulated well decentralization

938
2:01:05 --> 2:01:12
is the is the way forward now one of the issues the same process right around the world all the

939
2:01:12 --> 2:01:18
politicians have been standing up and saying the experts have told us so clearly the technocracy

940
2:01:18 --> 2:01:24
strategy we are mere politicians how could we possibly question the experts we know what

941
2:01:24 --> 2:01:31
a fraud that is all of us need to recognize the fraud now the last question susanna is

942
2:01:32 --> 2:01:41
one of the big problems in right around the world is very few business leaders of reputation have

943
2:01:41 --> 2:01:47
come out against the government narrative in other words here in australia its people its

944
2:01:47 --> 2:01:55
individuals but but business leaders have all done so well financially not one has come out

945
2:01:55 --> 2:02:01
and said that the people have been defrauded my question to you is in norway in any of the

946
2:02:01 --> 2:02:08
scandinavian countries has any significant business leader come out against the narrative like you

947
2:02:08 --> 2:02:10
have

948
2:02:12 --> 2:02:19
not that i can think of there's been some a few few maybe that has mentioned parts of it but not

949
2:02:19 --> 2:02:26
the whole thing and i think the reason is obvious that you know the whole business game or the it's

950
2:02:26 --> 2:02:37
it's a game it's it has rules like a game and the success of the game is profit and

951
2:02:38 --> 2:02:45
that's how it's all rigged and it's very very difficult it means that you lose profit

952
2:02:46 --> 2:02:55
if you go against rules or you oppose the game kind of and i think that the whole you know i

953
2:02:55 --> 2:03:02
love businesses i'm an entrepreneur myself i love the creating value i love seeing people how they

954
2:03:04 --> 2:03:10
express themselves and give what they're what they can give and offer to others

955
2:03:11 --> 2:03:19
but the problem is when it's centralized again the big multi national companies and the owners of

956
2:03:19 --> 2:03:29
the big tech and big food and big everything it becomes so centralized so it's kind of eating up

957
2:03:29 --> 2:03:37
all the small the people's businesses and and this is a big problem because every even even the small

958
2:03:37 --> 2:03:45
businesses cannot even survive if they're opposing the game at all and so it's kind of it's it's

959
2:03:46 --> 2:03:52
we have to turn everything upside down actually the pyramid must be turned upside down the real

960
2:03:52 --> 2:04:00
power is with the people we are the many the fake power is with the few on the top of the pyramid

961
2:04:00 --> 2:04:06
so i think it's up to the people to just say no now it's it's it's enough and we can do it

962
2:04:07 --> 2:04:18
silently without without a war and or a revolution we can just say no and the lesson

963
2:04:19 --> 2:04:27
suzanne the the power of people unifying is of course with india with mahatma gandhi where he

964
2:04:27 --> 2:04:35
said no violence non-violence non-compliance and that has that has proven to succeed there's

965
2:04:35 --> 2:04:40
there's eight billion of us there's probably one bit one million of them eight billion of us

966
2:04:40 --> 2:04:47
there's one to eight thousand so if the people unify so the work that you are doing does inspire

967
2:04:48 --> 2:04:54
each of us to say hey don't comply now it then gets the question is hey this is uncomfortable

968
2:04:54 --> 2:05:01
this can have consequences indeed and obviously nelson mandela fought for freedom fought against

969
2:05:01 --> 2:05:08
apartheid 27 years in jail and world war one world war two look at the people who went to fight

970
2:05:08 --> 2:05:14
for freedom and suzanne you're fighting for freedom at least you don't have people shooting at you

971
2:05:14 --> 2:05:20
but they do want to put you in jail like they did with tron put him in effective jail but that's

972
2:05:20 --> 2:05:27
that's the question that each one of us has to answer what are we willing to sacrifice to preserve

973
2:05:28 --> 2:05:36
our democracy to preserve our lives to preserve our freedoms or do you just want to become robots

974
2:05:36 --> 2:05:43
that's the question isn't it yeah but i don't i don't see myself as a fighter or freedom fighter

975
2:05:43 --> 2:05:51
at all i'm just i see myself as a person that just points towards the truth or what's right or

976
2:05:51 --> 2:05:56
common sense so i i don't see myself as a fighter and i don't see even

977
2:05:57 --> 2:06:07
i don't see some of these people as evil even because it's more like i'm more like concentrated

978
2:06:07 --> 2:06:14
on the system that we collectively built a system that has become a monster and some of these global

979
2:06:14 --> 2:06:22
elites have just played the game well and they have all the power and they continue but i don't

980
2:06:22 --> 2:06:30
think we will succeed in in freeing people if we go to war with these elites or whoever i i think

981
2:06:30 --> 2:06:37
we need to look at the system and see that the system we have built together is not working and

982
2:06:37 --> 2:06:44
we are the ones that can change it and we are the many so we can just change it but we need to be

983
2:06:44 --> 2:06:52
aware we need to see it because if we fight if we fight we're in the same uh we're in the battle

984
2:06:52 --> 2:06:59
we lose so that's an interesting question do we change the system or do we build a new one

985
2:07:00 --> 2:07:07
that's the question all right steven but it's up to us it is up very good it is up to us and you

986
2:07:07 --> 2:07:14
mentioned responsibility as well you know the the message that's been sold to us is we will protect

987
2:07:14 --> 2:07:20
you and and you know steven put your video back on so we can see you we you know this is all about

988
2:07:20 --> 2:07:30
safety give us your authority to save you steven save us from covid all right let's go to closing

989
2:07:30 --> 2:07:35
questions to you steven we've got no hands up let's susan go we've got 15 minutes before we

990
2:07:35 --> 2:07:40
before we end tom rodman has put the link into the video chat steven over to you for final questions

991
2:07:41 --> 2:07:44
so we're going to go to the next question from charles

992
2:07:47 --> 2:07:53
well what you just said charles is the problem isn't it there are so many people

993
2:07:53 --> 2:08:02
who realize what the problems are but they're all looking for what uh uh emmanuel the other night

994
2:08:02 --> 2:08:10
yeah so the the people who kind of are looking for people to save them all the time are the problem

995
2:08:10 --> 2:08:15
but the bigger problem are the people who just comply with everything because it doesn't affect

996
2:08:15 --> 2:08:24
them in their view but they don't do any research and they don't know anything and um of course it

997
2:08:24 --> 2:08:31
affects them is the knee the famous neemola uh uh quote which says uh they came for the gypsies i

998
2:08:31 --> 2:08:36
was not a gypsy so i did nothing i can't remember the exact quote they came for the jews i was not

999
2:08:36 --> 2:08:42
a jew so i did nothing and then in the end they came for me and there was no one left to speak

1000
2:08:42 --> 2:08:50
up for me and so uh and people need to be you know the people who say they're not interested

1001
2:08:50 --> 2:08:54
in politics it's just a ridiculous thing to say it's like saying i'm not interested in preserving

1002
2:08:54 --> 2:09:01
my humanity you know well some people don't really understand what humanity is and um in a way three

1003
2:09:01 --> 2:09:07
and a half years ago i don't think i really understood the kind of spiritual side but i do

1004
2:09:07 --> 2:09:15
now i was always fighting for humanity without realizing it previously but um now i understand

1005
2:09:15 --> 2:09:24
what it's all about or at least i think i do um so um i don't quite so thomas uh so thomas

1006
2:09:24 --> 2:09:31
actually helped me to get you on susan and barrow uh has he gone now he's the um i think he has

1007
2:09:31 --> 2:09:37
there's some yeah he's gone has he okay i was like yes all right let's finish let's finish

1008
2:09:37 --> 2:09:43
here there's nothing wrong with that um trond thank you for joining us susan thank you for

1009
2:09:43 --> 2:09:49
sharing uh as stephen says you know i think you should look on this group communicate with stephen

1010
2:09:49 --> 2:09:56
for help to spread a message and we will spread your 10 principles i think that's very insightful

1011
2:09:56 --> 2:10:00
i love the fact that it came to you in the middle of the night so well done for writing it down

1012
2:10:01 --> 2:10:09
so susan and barrow and um trond um i think it's really important so you know uh that uh so norway

1013
2:10:09 --> 2:10:14
thinks that they can behave like this and no one will notice because it's too smaller country to be

1014
2:10:14 --> 2:10:20
noticed in the united states for example but other countries as well like india you know well now

1015
2:10:20 --> 2:10:27
um unfortunately people around the world will know about this and um i think that that's a way to get

1016
2:10:27 --> 2:10:35
people so i think the people in norway are not evil uh in the way they are in some people some

1017
2:10:35 --> 2:10:41
countries but but um you know they've gone along with this gender they maybe don't realize fully

1018
2:10:42 --> 2:10:48
what it's all about um and maybe money plays a big part but i think it plays less a part in norway

1019
2:10:48 --> 2:10:55
than than most countries um but i think that uh the norwegians and the swedes for that matter

1020
2:10:55 --> 2:11:04
they do have consciences uh and when uh what has happened is exposed they don't like it they're

1021
2:11:04 --> 2:11:11
not very happy about the light being shone on sweden and i think norway norway is even less

1022
2:11:11 --> 2:11:20
known than sweden um so hopefully um if you work with us you know you can uh how should i say you'll

1023
2:11:20 --> 2:11:24
have more success i think in norway when they know that the international spotlight is on on norway

1024
2:11:27 --> 2:11:33
thank you thank you steven marvin's got his hand up for one last question before we go marvin

1025
2:11:35 --> 2:11:40
susan i wanted to ask you i was in trondheim for three weeks on a bicycle 30 years ago

1026
2:11:41 --> 2:11:48
and the police cute young girl and a cute young guy would get out of a police car and they looked

1027
2:11:48 --> 2:11:56
like forest service workers they they weren't they didn't wear guns they were cute young bright

1028
2:11:56 --> 2:12:02
looking college students are what are the norwegian police now dressed like stormtroopers

1029
2:12:02 --> 2:12:10
like our police in america are dressed now no they're still uh quite we we live in a very

1030
2:12:10 --> 2:12:20
common and non-violent community in norway and most people are very nice so um we luckily we

1031
2:12:20 --> 2:12:30
don't have that seen police look like friendly people yeah very good but there was that dreadful

1032
2:12:30 --> 2:12:38
attack on on the island um i can't remember the island now where yeah young people were killed

1033
2:12:38 --> 2:12:47
um yeah i don't think we should discuss that now i need to i need to leave now but

1034
2:12:47 --> 2:12:52
that's a that's a big thing and that came like a shock to the norwegian people

1035
2:12:53 --> 2:12:56
i'm sorry

1036
2:13:01 --> 2:13:08
it's it's such a big yeah big happening and big thing that i i don't feel like we should go into

1037
2:13:08 --> 2:13:12
that no susan i wasn't suggesting we talked about i was just saying that it isn't always the case

1038
2:13:12 --> 2:13:24
that norway is peaceful no but uh things like that has happened very seldom so so that was kind

1039
2:13:24 --> 2:13:29
of the first shock for the norwegian people that's that a terror attack like that could happen in

1040
2:13:29 --> 2:13:38
norway and so many innocent young girls and boys and and people were killed like it was like yeah

1041
2:13:38 --> 2:13:47
yeah it was terrible yeah it's trauma for every 11 yeah it's a it's a big trauma for for our country

1042
2:13:47 --> 2:13:57
but um yeah so susan you were saying this so this is just the last passing shot as it were um you

1043
2:13:57 --> 2:14:04
said that many people in norway are nice i agree but that's also part of the problem they're too

1044
2:14:04 --> 2:14:09
they're too reasonable they don't want to they don't want to stand out they never want to take

1045
2:14:09 --> 2:14:14
a position because they want to be popular with their friends and their associates you know

1046
2:14:16 --> 2:14:22
that's that's the that's why kind of i stood out because i did the opposite you know i went for the

1047
2:14:22 --> 2:14:29
dislikes yeah or you know so so that was like people thought that i would crash because of

1048
2:14:29 --> 2:14:34
that but i it just made me stronger because that's what it does you know when you stand up for your

1049
2:14:34 --> 2:14:42
truth and for uh what you believe in that makes you stronger but before you do it before you take

1050
2:14:42 --> 2:14:48
that step it feels like you're gonna die and i guess people that's how people feel you know it's

1051
2:14:49 --> 2:14:55
it's even more dangerous for norwegians or scandinavians to step out of conformity

1052
2:14:56 --> 2:15:03
because of the jante law you know everybody should be kind of the same and be liked to be nice and

1053
2:15:03 --> 2:15:11
all that so i think it's it takes more more so that's why i i thought that for me doing that

1054
2:15:11 --> 2:15:16
what i did with with my colleagues my political colleagues and everything i thought more people

1055
2:15:16 --> 2:15:25
would step out and and be brave enough to talk about it but i have colleagues political colleagues

1056
2:15:25 --> 2:15:31
that has talked to me afterwards what i've done and said they totally agree but they don't dare

1057
2:15:31 --> 2:15:37
to go through what they see i've gone through you know so they just have to keep calm wow

1058
2:15:40 --> 2:15:48
russian businessman which goes if you can't cheat norwegian you can't cheat anyone in the world

1059
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um

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beautiful comments let's go everybody suzanne thank you so much for giving us your time

1061
2:15:57 --> 2:16:02
congratulations on your courageous journey thank you everybody for being here steven thank you for

1062
2:16:02 --> 2:16:11
organizing and we will be back with you on sunday and have a beautiful tuesday night and the rest of

1063
2:16:11 --> 2:16:19
your week thank you for joining us thank you for inviting me thank you thank you thank you

1064
2:16:19 --> 2:16:25
haiku as well thank you haika yes indeed and and tron oh i don't think he heard it

1065
2:16:26 --> 2:16:32
uh yes and yes he didn't no okay over to tom rodman for those of you who have the time

1066
2:16:32 --> 2:16:35
um

1067
2:16:40 --> 2:16:47
charles can you send me the um chat from the other night if possible yep yep and this one

1068
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it that'd be good yep we'll do thanks thank you so much thanks everybody