So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International and today's discussion
this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost.
Over three years ago with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health,
Stephen has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower
and activist. His medical specialty is radiology. We think about all people who are being punished
for their fight for freedom, including Rainer Formick who's in jail in Germany unlawfully.
And there was a big Astrid Stuckleburger was talking at Geneva outside the UN supporting Rainer,
all of us who are interested, please take an interest in Rainer Formick and his wife Inka.
And we have to shine a light on Rainer's plight and other freedom warriors. I'm Charles Kovace,
moderator of this group. I'm in Australia, in Melbourne, Australia.
I've practiced law for 20 years and 31 years ago I changed Korea to become Australasia's
passion provocateur. We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the world.
Many of us thought that vaccines were okay. Now many of us proudly say we are passionate anti-vaxxers
as we've had numerous experts come onto these into these meetings and tell us and the recordings
are available. There's never been a proper safety and efficacy test on any vaccine ever given to
humanity. If this is your first time here, welcome. Feel free to introduce yourself in the chat and
where you're from. If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or you have a radio or TV show or you've
written a book, put the links in the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you. That includes
you, Jim and Celia. Celia put your substack link in there and Jim and put it through in there a
couple of times because people come a bit later into the meeting. Most of us understand we're
in the middle of World War Three and that the medical science battle is only one of 12 battlefields
of this latest world war. There's no time to be tied. We're four years into what I consider to be
a seven-year war. We're over halfway but three years to go so no telling yourself I'm sick of this war.
Most of us understand the development of science and that the science is never settled.
Some of us believe that viruses exist. Some of us believe that viruses are a hoax.
Some of us are on the fence and many of us consider that having a debate on that issue
distracts us from the core attacks on our freedoms and our rights. This meeting runs for two and a
half hours after which for those with the time there may or may not today be a video telegram
meeting. Tom Rodman won't be with us today. Gary Hawkins may well organise that. We will listen to
our guest presenters Dr James Thorpe and Celia Farber. We'll talk to James as Jim for as long
they wish to speak and the order in which they've decided to speak about a new book that
they have put together. Then we have Q&A. Stephen Frost, by a long established tradition,
asked the first question for 15 minutes. There's a free speech environment. If you're offended by
anything be offended. We're lovingly not interested. We reject the offence industry that requires
nobody to say anything that may offend. In other words, we come with an attitude and perspective
of love, not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you. Love on the other hand
expands you. The great challenge with love is to love those who have different opinions to you.
Big challenge. These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests. An extraordinary range of
actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by attendees in these meetings.
If you have a solution or product or links or resources that will help people put the
details into the chat, the meeting is recorded and uploaded onto the Rumble channel. Now welcome to
our guest presenters Celia Farber and Jim Thorpe. We thank both of you so much for sharing your
genius and wisdom with us. I want to do a quick, for the purposes of the recording, I want to do a quick
background on both of you and I think the easiest way to do that is summarise your bias for those
who haven't received the invitation to the meeting. Celia Farber calls herself a war correspondent
and the main war she's lived through and covered in detail between 1987 and 2008,
21 years was the HIV war. She wrote exposé pieces about Anthony Fauci's HIV tyranny and how it
demolished true biology and science in America in both in spin and later harpers. She was targeted
by numerous vicious discrediting campaigns. Her work rose to prominence again in 2020 as COVID was
understood to have been modeled on the terror and fake science. She and others documented in AIDS.
She considers herself now a historian of HIV AIDS descent. In 2021 her work was heavily cited
in Bobby Kennedy's book The Real Anthony Fauci and Bobby has spoken to this group, his recording is
available and Celia featured also in a documentary of the same name in March 2023. Chelsea Green reissued
her stillborn 2006 book Serious Adverse Events An Uncensored History of AIDS.
Celia was born in New York City, raised in Sweden, she's the daughter of the late radio legend Barry
Farber. He gave her her favourite journalistic imperative motto, penetrate the ostensible.
I love it, penetrate the ostensible. Her undergrad degree at New York Uni's skeleton division was in
classic literature. She's written articles on many subjects in many outlets. In 2008 she was the
recipient with Peter Juesberg of the Semmelweis Society of Clean Hands Award for Investigative
Journalism from the Semmelweis Society International. That society was so besieged by protests from paid
AIDS professionals it led to years of litigation and SSI had to close its doors.
For those who have never heard of Ignaz Semmelweis take a look, Hungarian
doctor of the middle mid-19th century who was harassed for speaking the truth
and died very young. Celia writes a popular substack called the truth barrier.
Jim Thorpe is a board certified obstetrician, gynaecologist and maternal fetal medicine
physician with over 44 years of obstetrical experience. He is married to a wonderful legal
practitioner. So Jim I like your connection to the law there. Jim Thorpe has seen over 27,500
high risk pregnancies in the last four and a half years while serving one of the largest
Catholic healthcare systems SSM Health of St Louis. SSM Health fired him for no cause. In 2023 it was
subsequently proven that SSM Health received $26 million from HHS CDC COVID funding and likely
captured by the covenant with death contract with HHS. Home and what is it? Home and homeland and
something HHS Jim? SSM Health, sisters of St Mary's Health, about a 10 billion dollar Catholic
hospital system, one of the largest in the United States of America and just for a matter of record
they took 307 million dollars from the Department of Health and Human Services in early 2021.
How much is that number? 107 million.
307 million dollars. 307 million health and human services there you are everybody in the CDC.
Charles a third of a billion almost. A billion US dollars real money, well used to be anyway.
Jim Thorpe declined a very large sum of money for a termination agreement.
James Thorpe is the chief of maternal and prenatal health at the wellness company. He served as a
reviewer for major medical journals on the board of directors for the society of maternal fetal
medicine for three years and as an examiner. He served in the US Air Force as obstetrician
gynaecologist having been awarded a health profession scholarship for his medical
school education where he received an award for being the top student at Wayne State University.
He then attended University of Colorado Denver. Jim testified in the US Senate under the Bush
administration in 2003 for his expertise in treating the fetus as a patient within
utero therapies and on December 7 2022. Jim Thorpe testified in the Senate with Senator
Ron Johnson and others while serving as a very busy clinician his entire career. He has also
been very active in clinical research with 240 publications including 68 COVID related. Jim Thorpe
published a book last year on the COVID pandemic and his latest book that's available examines
vaccines in pregnancies which is what we're going to talk about today. So Jim we're jointly produced
with Celia Farber that's why they're here and so thank you both for being here. Thank you Stephen
Frost again for creating the group. Over to you Jim and Celia. Well thank you very much for having
both of us and I really look forward to this interaction. I see many of my friends in the
audience and I appreciate them. I see Dr. Jerry haven't seen him in a while and I also see my
friend Dr. Jerome Corsi. Jerome thanks for joining us. He's a wow he's a he's a truther
and I see my friend Albert Benavides. Welcome Eagle88. Thanks for joining us Albert. Celia it's
so good to see you and I'm so glad you're safe and sound over on the other side of the pond. So Celia
why don't you take it away. It's been such an honor and a privilege for me to know you Celia
and to work with you over the last year and I'm really really excited. I'll tell you what Jim
first I'll tell you what I'm thinking right now is do you have a possibility of showing our cover?
Can we show folks our cover or we? Sure I could do that if you want. Why don't you
why don't you go ahead and start talking and share some of your brilliance. You know
Celia I just want to say something about Celia. She's one of the most talented writers I've ever
had the ability to work with and there's two parts of the brain you know you have the
what is the left side and the right side and there's this structure that connects the two
sides of the brain. Well Celia and I I'm so honored because she has got all of the one side
of the brain and I've got a little bit of the other side of the brain and those two parts of
the brain is connected by a large series of white matter that's called the corpus callosum. So we
we are working together with another lady who is acting as our corpus callosum in our brain to
connect our brains and I'm so excited about this endeavor and this new book. I'll look for that
cover Celia while you take it away. Yes someone else is also trying to find it so thank you.
Celia I'd just like to say that I agree with you James she is a brilliant writer even her emails
are interesting. Oh I know I know. So that says a lot. So you bring your emails to life Celia it's
wonderful to observe this. Well I feel more and more thank you for that. I um Jim is really the
Jim is the I know we don't really like the word authority especially these days but Jim is the
the authority here and I am the the scribe. I've I've I've listened to him we've had many many
many conversations. He's the science the medicine the proof the history the doctor and I am the
storyteller. So I guess I will I'll give you a little I'll give you the landscape of the book
and Jim is going to give you the hardcore proof. I was thinking initially that we would do it the
other way around but that's fine we'll do it this way. I will I don't have a prepared talk but I've
had many many years to think about this. This is actually a culmination when I started working
with Jim on this book about almost a year ago now. As I was working on it I realized as we were
working I realized that this is a theme a late motif and obsession also with my my old enemy
AIDS Inc our old enemy. They were also obsessed with as obsessed is a the term correct word that
Naomi Wolf always uses when she says they are obsessed with targeting reproduction
and they were also obsessed with targeting reproduction during the HIV AIDS epoch.
They actually Jim and I have been back and forth okay let me pause for a second and just name our
title so I give us a little bit of an anchor. I don't know if we have the image. Yes we do.
Someone it's been Celia it's been posted into the chat. It's buyable but it's not finished
yet. I have one more I have four interviews still to transcribe and about one more week of
final sections and we can't say exactly what the pub date is but it's very close to finished
and we really appreciate being able to come on here and talk about it. This is the first time
we've done so there it is sacrifice how the deadliest vaccine in history targeted the most
vulnerable and Jim I just want has been so generous with me that he always said I'm
I'm not going to let you be a ghostwriter you're going to be a co-author
but I always have this impulse to say I'm just describing what he actually knows but okay you
get that. We'll hear from Jim shortly. So I feel first of all that this part of the horror
the horror we're in the horror that brings us all together how we we cling together right and we
survive it somehow but the part of the horror that is what they've done to mothers and babies is
taboo and quieted down even within the most robust parts of the medical freedom movement.
I don't think that's a deliberate slight against women and babies but I've noticed it
and maybe it's because as I experience myself it is simply so this is probably as painful as
anything in this story gets. We got toward the end of our manuscript in recent weeks
and we were talking back and forth Jim and I and our wonderful editor Ann
and you know we were saying it's it's just death death death death and it's it's so sad and it's
so incredibly difficult to to fathom and the brain just wants to shut down even I the co-author of
the book sometimes I I just don't know what to do with the emotions that come up this is so so so
evil. We did manage to get so we said we have to we have to look for some light some rays of hope
and we did actually find it. Our most of you probably know the amazing whistleblower who
you came to know as Michelle Gershman whose name is now help me Jim her name is Michelle.
Spencer. Spencer. She she blew the whistle on she leaked a just mind-blowing email that she got
on her in her email at work one morning she is out on the west coast at a major hospital where
she works on a delivery floor as a as a nurse and the memo admitted the the carnage but as is
characteristic of this this horror and these people driving it it totally obscured the actual
horror itself and made it all about how do we dispose of the deceased babies there are so many
and people aren't disposing of them correctly and you know it's really hard to find the words it
gets so so gory so macabre but the memo spoke to buckets and salt water and refrigerators and
you just cannot believe your your ears or your eyes this is this is it's like a desensitization
syndrome in the United States of America that our book is is about the American story we don't go
all over the world but this the story is playing out all over the world so Michelle Gershman was
seeing every day she came to work so many they were both they were stillborn or they died just
before birth Jim will give us the definitions of what is this what is a stillbirth and what is a
fetal death and what is a miscarriage but you get the idea just a huge rise and she said and and she
couldn't talk to anybody what is happening and this is a story we've heard from many of our people in
the book that nobody will speak to it nobody will cry or make a sound or say anything or react
so the whole thing is playing out on this this landscape of like like some kind of sci-fi movie
where nobody will give words to what is happening and that's I so appreciate when you when you
tell me that my words are reaching you because I do feel that words words words are the beginning
of freedom the beginning of of clarity and truth and they did so much of what they did with black
magic word use and so I believe very much in the power of the right words chosen to describe
something that when we have the right words we can finally feel it and and face it and confront it
and what we are depicting in this book is a
a horror that actually actually dwarfs what most people know as the great horror of
maternal fetal history which is thalidomide
totally dwarfs it I did write a whole chapter about thalidomide I became very very
interested in the the deep forensic history of thalidomide to see to do a sort of compare and
contrast things have gotten much worse since then in thalidomide there actually was a criminal
trial in Germany I don't know if many of you know that but with you folks you probably all know that
the company that made thalidomide chemigrunenthal post-war German company
people with high ranking former Nazis that company to this day is a very successful huge
pharmaceutical company it took them 50 years to formally apologize to the victims and nobody
contests thalidomide being the cause of thalidomide deformities and deaths
but now I finally figured out how they have used thalidomide to
it's so evil to obscure and distort what's happening now with the mass deaths
of babies both unborn and born whose mothers have taken the COVID shots
the way they did that was the sort of well we all we know that we know what we mean when we say a
PsiOp so the PsiOp after thalidomide has been that oh thanks to thalidomide the world woke up and we
and of course totally heroic Francis Kelsey at the United States FDA who stopped it at the end
of the world who stopped it in the states quite rightly got all kinds of awards and distinctions
from then president John F. Kennedy there were congressional laws that came came that were written
and and the the big idea was now we really have to have proper testing in general and we have to
have proper testing in general and of course for anything given to pregnant women so that is what
most people believe that there was this moment of catastrophe and after that we all learned our
lesson and now we're in this well-lit safe place where nothing like that can happen again
nothing could be farther from the truth one thing that Jim always hammered home from our very first
discussions was he uses the phrase the golden rule the golden rule of obstetrical medicine we
all know it give absolutely no untested substance to a pregnant woman ever ever ever so how did they
do it how did they break down every wall prohibition taboo everything they did it with a colossal
a tidal wave of money a tidal wave of money that primarily comes straight down on the three
and this is the work of Jim and his wife Maggie who through who through rigorous FOIA requests
found out what exactly had gone down transaction wise between the Department of Defense the US
Government and the pillars of maternal fetal medicine and I'm getting into Jim terrain here
I want he'll do much more justice to this they that's a bog a cog let me spell them out the
association sorry help me Jim a bog a American American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology
a bog the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists a cog and the Society for
Maternal Fetal Medicine SMFM thank you I'll get it I'll get it one day right so those three they're
supposed to be the sort of guardian saints at the gate that that protect catastrophes like Philanmide
from hack me and they they weigh in on what you know everything for everything pertaining
to pregnancy and safety and and they not just weigh in they are the the very arbiter so when
this happened they were we found a hockey stick and the hockey stick was pretty I guess I would
say low conservative funding for these organizations and then all of a sudden you see it actually
started in 2019 and the hockey stick goes like that I don't have the exact numbers but you know
just tens of millions crashed down on these organizations all of a sudden they are just
singing the mantra and they have changed their and their and they're not just advising pregnant
women all pregnant women to take the covid shots plural throughout pregnancy from it from and of
course we know Rachel what is her name? Wolinski. Thank you. There is no bad time I mean this utter
madness to take a covid shot so those organizations what they put in place was something so evil that
that not only did that so as Jim has pointed out many times that the relationship between your ob-gyn
pregnant women that is a trusted it's a it's a there's no women don't go into that relationship
thinking they have any reason not to trust that doctor speaking to them so once they penetrated
there they had already won the game because most women like I say had no no reason to distrust it
no reason to go home and research it we're told it was absolutely safe and absolutely effective
now let me let me toss it back to thalidomide for a moment they also part of the advertising
campaign for thalidomide was that it was you know wasn't just safe it was like ridiculously safe it
was so safe there was nothing safer had ever been given to pregnant they're so so so safe
thalidomide and the marketing of thalidomide had been because women had had babies had children
small children had gotten into their mother's I guess quail ouds and various tranquilizers that
were going around at the time and so that became a media story so the the advertising agencies
pushing at working for the drug companies and the distributors they all got together and their
campaign was thalidomide is the thalidomide will save your child from dying of an overdose of
quail ouds I kid you not that was part of the marketing campaign so I spent a lot of time
rooting around in this and I see all the themes but they were much more crude back then and they're
much more sophisticated now so the book has essentially two halves and one half is
essentially Celia and one half is essentially Jim the Celia side is where I'm telling stories
from real people and it's it's mothers who have suffered losses it's we have a param a paramedic
you may know him Harry Fisher we have whistleblowers we have oh there's also a lot of
a lot of voices that I pulled from from social media one of the places where you really see
the truth of this story is actually in comment sections which I know scientists just shudder to
think that comment sections on social media is where anybody would find a scientific truth
but this thing is so impossible to bottle and capture in a net and quantify and prove you can't
get statistics for fatal deaths in the United States comparing you can't get it in the UK
comparing for example 2020 2021 2022 you just can't get them so the story is
the story is very obscured and I think that the enemy is very sensitive about this story coming out
I don't I think we're going to have a rough time of it when the book comes out but we will buckle up
Jim and Naomi Wolf have done a tremendous job I think many people are prepared for a lot of
what's in the book not for everything that's in the book I guess I'll just say a few things about
a ray of hope because I really believe we need we need as we fight we need to believe that there is
some light at the end of the tunnel Michelle did tell us in a an interview we did just about a week
ago that she's she's seeing a far fewer dead babies now than say a year ago and two years ago
so she said it had slowed way down and I felt like oh thank god and I can I need to tell people that
because there comes a point where it's just too much even even for us right there has to be
something in
in god's universe that that I believe that the even the poisons are like this is just my point
of view god is working so hard on this and women are women have lost numerous pregnancies we
interviewed the grandparents of a um so their daughter-in-law had lost eight not just eight
pregnancies in all trimesters including several of them second and third trimester one of them
the most recent was full term since she took the shots in 2021 so this is not trivial the tricky
thing is there are also parts of the field where you hardly see it at all so it's I I hope Jim will
address and I don't have the answer to why were so many children born seemingly okay and so many
met instead this catastrophe I don't understand it but I'd like Jim to address that and basically
I just want to say I feel that this part of our of our war um as Naomi Wolf says as Jim says it has
something it has something about it that goes beyond even everything else and of course they
want to kill they want to kill they want to kill they want to kill life they want to destroy
life we know that but this it represents something
extra-dimensional to these people and it represents
for me my interpretation is that it's it's a sort of satanic idea that what I will call God's plan
and creation is nothing unless and until they get in there with their high-tech poisons and fix it
right and really nothing could be more more satanic or evil um but that that's the point
um but that that was also their obsession during the during the AIDS thing of course they wanted
they the drugs mostly hit and mostly killed sexually active gay men AZT killed some 300 000
but in the early 90s I started to notice as a reporter covering AIDS they really wanted to
target pregnant women they really wanted pregnant women now pregnancy in HIV AIDS was one of the
ways that people could test what we call false positive for what we call HIV so just being pregnant
could very easily trigger a positive HIV test so they had this drive that in the beginning they
told all pregnant women get tested get tested get tested if you test positive abort abort abort
so there were lots of abortions for wanted children because the and this was on shows like
I remember Montel Williams and shows like that they were saying similar to Zika if you guys
remember Zika they told women all over especially Latin America that they should just have abortions
and they and they did you know so they're always coming out with this there's this terrible thing
and you may as well have an abortion so that's usually the first part of the op
um what they did with HIV AIDS was it's it's so it's so shocking I will I will never get used to
this but they they broke and I've told Jim this and he actually wasn't aware of this but they this
wall that he speaks of the the golden rule that we all thought was there after thalidomide was
broken down by AIDS I don't want to call them AIDS Inc I need a better term well the AIDS cabal
well the AIDS cabal in 1994 they achieved a victory which was they came up with a totally
as all their studies false corrupt study called ACTG 076 and they claimed it proved that women
who uh took AZT AZT a teratogen mutagen carcinogen throughout gestation had a much better chance like
50 percent better chance of not giving birth to an HIV positive baby and this actually flew and it
was in all the papers and cover of New York Times and it was the big victory and because HIV had
that branding like it was so deadly and new and deadly and horrible so nobody at the time thought
to go up against the HIV op like should you really be giving you know Drano
to pregnant women the the spell was so thick in those days that the baby the everybody you know
HIV just meant instant death so the important thing is to realize and even after what is it 37
years in this field or maybe it's more than that I still make the mistake of trying to understand
how they're thinking they're not trying to understand what they what they could possibly
mean or think trying to give them some kind of benefit of the doubt that is a huge mistake
they they write these colossal dark evil deadly spells and they write them in accordance with
human psychology and a mother's psychology is a very easy easy target all you have to do is tell
an expecting mother if you don't do this your baby is at risk and she will do what you're telling
her to do unless she has some very fortunate reason to know otherwise so I'll kind of wrap
it there and hand it over to Jim I'm really happy that you're able to be with us and talk
about this and we we will need you we'll need your support when the book comes out
and I I think I have a lot more to say but I'll leave it for the question
question and answer session thank you thanks Celia thank you Celia Jim over to you
yeah thank you very much Celia that was awesome it was early 2020
yeah you know I've had 45 years of clinical experience now 45 years this month 45 years
of obstetrical experience and Celia writes about this so eloquently I think I mentioned to her
that my dear god in heaven I felt like I was somewhere in the twilight zone because how did
this all come about you know I have been using hydroxychloroquine in pregnancy for 40 years
it's been used since the Inca Indians in the mid 1600s as a stalwart powerful therapeutic
the Jesuits capitalized on that when they were evangelizing in South America and you know
hydroxychloroquine has been used in every single war since then including the Revolutionary War
the Civil War World War I and World War II Vietnam it's been very very safe and effective why did I
use it in pregnancy well because of the fact that pregnant women and women are pregnant and
because of the fact that pregnant women and women of reproductive age have a very high incidence of
autoimmune disease probably vaccine induced prior to the COVID vaccine the childhood vaccine schedules
and such yeah so we and rheumatologists family practice internal medicine you know that was our
stalwart of therapy hydroxychloroquine and when these women of reproductive age became pregnant
we didn't take them off it was safe in the first trimester second trimester third trimester
and even in in postpartum breastfeeding and even in children and the so all of a sudden now people
people just I don't understand I told Celia I feel like I was in the Twilight Zone
and then she brought this she's such a gifted author I just love her writing style and this
book would have been just a worthless without her really because she just wove it together and all
of a sudden she comes up with this prose of out of the the obsolete man out of Rod Sterling's
Twilight Zone right and and that was me because they they I knew they were coming after the women
and I the pharmacies were coming after me I I worked locally here taking not only was I seeing
you know 27,800 high-risk obese for in the last four and a half years but when I wasn't working
and that was through telemedicine and SSM health in St. Louis also Washington University is part
of that system and but I worked with a couple of docs one special doc here Dr. Deb Viglione a
freedom fighter and she and I treated a lot of really sick patients because none of the other
doctors would see him you know they were all scared so we saw a lot of sick patients a lot of
military veterans and so on and so forth but so I became just couldn't understand why all of a
sudden they were villainizing hydroxychloroquine and then they did the same thing with ivermectin
and why they were making ridiculous statements like okay just go home there's no early treatment
well that flies in the face of six millennia it's six millennia of known fact that the earlier you
treat any disease the better the outcome is so I was afraid that we were being targeted I was very
concerned and then as 2020 came up was and they were going to wrap out this mRNA vaccine I was
scared to death I had planned a gold standard of a study that would have required it was a randomized
double-blind placebo control trial would have been 35,000 patients in the vaccine group and 35,000
patients in the placebo group that's how many patients it would have taken because my end point
was an increase in death rate from from one in 10,000 to four and 10,000 over a 10-year period
anyways there would be would have been an interim analysis every year by an independent group
so that if there was a benefit or a danger it would have immediately been stopped
obviously because it would have been unethical to continue but the unblinding wouldn't have been
performed for 10 years if there was no significant effect with long-term outcome right so that was
summarily rejected by the way I wasn't the only one that did my individual plans my friend Dr.
Steve Hatfield who was in the White House at the time Dr. Hatfield is a genius he was a he was a
veteran like I am military veteran and he was in the White House war room you know and he and
Peter Navarro and and President Trump at the time they amassed 62 million doses of hydroxychloroquine
until they got stabbed in the back had they treated the American people with that
the pandemic would have ended in August of that year it would have ended but instead of it was
villainized by the fraudulent Lancet Journal article Dr. Mandeep Mehra of Harvard University
cardiologist and by the way that was ghostwritten by probably ghostwritten by Pfizer that article
that he published it was completely fraudulent as was the New England Journal of Medicine article
not quite a year and a month later by Shimabukuro pushing it in pregnancy as safe effective and
necessary so anyways we proceeded in that year and sure enough in 2021 we were saying oh we're
not going to use it in pregnant women we're not going to mandate it if pregnant women want to take
it fine and then within a matter of nine months nine months on September 27th 2021 the chief
executive director of the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology my colleague my
contemporary right I was an examiner with him with that board during the 90s right and he comes out
and has the American College of Obstetricians the American Board of Medical Specialties
the Federation of State Medical Boards the American Board of Medical Specialties and the Society for
Maternal Fetal Medicine all invoked in this sloppy poorly written one-page threat that amassed and
went out to every single 60,000 ob-gyn physicians not only in the United States of America all six
provinces of Canada and some countries in South America and under without any well there were some
references which I'll make light of it was basically a one-page threat don't you dare
deviate from our narrative don't you dare deviate or we will strip you of your medical licensure
and all of your board certifications which I worked my whole life to get right and so did other
younger doctors so at about that time I was outraged and I started I duplicated their
their insignias and put a red hammer and sickle and in it and floated it all over the internet and I
guess that upset Dr. Wendell and he got a hold of me and threatened me again said did you really do
this I said yeah yeah I did I did do it why are you pushing this this is outrageous threaten me
again so in early 2022 I wrote a 98 page letter which anybody can pull up right now it's been on
the internet since just google or duck duck go search engine James A. Thorpe open letter to the
American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology and that 98 page letter included all of my extensive
analytics from the government database some visor data right and also multiple other pieces of data
and if that weren't enough it included 1019 references of journal articles peer-reviewed
medical journal articles that I read I studied I copied every single one of those 1019 references
in just the first 12 months of the rollout that documented severe injury catastrophic
complications and deaths 1019 probably probably three or four thousand authors globally that
risked their life to put their name on that paper and I submitted to Dr. George Wendell the rest of
the board at the American Board of Obstetrics and Gynecology and it was published over two and a half
years ago now do you think they responded I wanted to debate them I wanted to debate anybody in the
world how did you break the golden rule of pregnancy how did 60,000 OBGYN doctors the
American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists the American Board of OBGYN the Society for
Maternal Fetal Medicine simultaneously at about the same time use the exact same language you
will do this or we will strip you I it was total fascism at that point Tom I've never seen anything
like it in my life so do you think they responded no crickets because they knew they had broken the
golden rule of pregnancy they knew they were dead wrong and that I was right they knew that I would
tear them apart in pieces in any type of a debate the one page threat that they sent out and and I
I call this they reference nothing more than a grocery market tabloid literally a grocery
market tabloid called med page today it's not peer reviewed it was written by a by by by a lay
journalist they quote this lay journalist and they're citing a bunch of hearsay from University of
Alabama Birmingham so we now know that the entire medical complex has been captured I knew at that
time sorry to interrupt you could you name a few people yeah on board who were supporting the guy
you were you were you have named uh just for the record yeah for the record Dr Susan Raymond was
my colleague and she and I have published together earlier in my career Dr uh Dr George Wendell
W E N D E L L was the uh and he subsequently put his tail between his legs and absconded off into
obscurity he retired there's a there's a new young uh director now uh and you know I I won't name I
I won't name any of the others but I will name personally and other organizations here that I
I hold accountable now you might say to me well Dr Thorpe you're just full of baloney sausage you
know this is safe and effective look at look at all the journal articles published in the peer
review journal article saying that it's safe and effective well um you know I will tell you
that there's only four
totally irrefutable undeniable evidence four sources of data that can never be ever refuted
and why is that because they're all open source number one number two all four of those come from
sources that are heavily biased to pushing the vaccine and and I'll just you know I'll carefully
go go through those uh each of those four off the top of my head and I don't know if if uh I won't
share my screen I have them all memorized but you know the first one is the legally mandated
the legally mandated post-market analysis every device drug vaccine medical device
when it's rolled out to the public until 90 days it has you have to give a report of all the adverse
events with that rollout in 12 weeks and submitted to the HHS CDC and FDA okay well that was done but
it was with with Pfizer it was allegedly from December 1st 2020 to February 28th 2021 uh as a
matter of fact it really didn't roll out December 1st about two weeks later so it's only 10 weeks of
data right so on page seven and by the way that document Pfizer 5.3.6 PHMPT
search engine right now even pulled out page seven this was the deadliest drug it was ever
rolled out in the history of medicine probably in the history of humanity this is not Peter
McCullough's data this is not Celia's data you know this is not Albert Benavides data
this is Pfizer's data and they tried to hide it for 75 years and it's a while they knew that I had
that data many of you had that data because a whistleblower released it now it wasn't the
whistleblower released it it was available in spring of 2021 Rochelle Walensky had that of
course they had that data it was legally mandated for Pfizer to give it to them they received it
February 28th 2021 right so now Aaron Seary and the informed consent action network
sued them did a FOIA request they tried to hide it for 75 years federal judge made him release it
wasn't released until you know about a year later April Fool's Day April 1st 2022 and of course it
was identical to the document that we knew was verifiable it had Pfizer fingerprints all over
a year before that was released by the whistleblower so so look at on page seven
look at up there in the top right hand corner there were 42,086 casualties
42,086 casualties look at the women to men ratio of those casualties it was about 3.2 or 3.3 I don't
have the end it with a very tight confidence interval extraordinarily tight women were targeted
for two reasons and I'll tell you why those two reasons were number one the the government
did do a lot of due diligence and they did do good research it wasn't in science although they knew
the science but they did their marketing research and they knew that it's women that make all the
health care decisions and that transcends color of skin religious ethnicity country of origin
that's just the way God made men and women different you know I don't make any of my health
care decisions Maggie makes them all I'm sure the same as a true with the rest of doctor's wives
that's just the way it is they knew that and hospitals have known that marketers they market
towards women so that's the number one reason the second reason is contrary to you know probably not
many amongst us but our liberal friends on the other side and I hate to break this news to you
but you know men can't get pregnant only women can get pregnant you can either be a male or a
female you can either be a man and you can't get credit so they wanted to target pregnant women
okay why because if they targeted pregnant women everybody knows that's the most vulnerable
population and if they can amass their now what's known to be five trillion dollars spent on the
sham over the last four years five trillion dollars if they can convince the world that it's
safe effective and necessary and pregnant women they've won the game everybody else in the world
should be vaccinated because they're the most vulnerable that's why they went after women
but also in that 42,086 casualties there were 1,223 dead in just 10 weeks and a huge proportion of
those died they were otherwise well they died within a couple of days the vaccine okay that's
uh you know just unheard of you know we 1976 swine flu vaccine I was a second year medical
student student in Detroit 26 dead from swine flu vaccine immediately removed from the market
turn of the century rotavirus vaccine no deaths a spate of cases of a minor bowel complication
called intersusception immediately removed from the market something was different something was
very very wrong so um and by the way if you analyze from the casualties 42,086 casualties with
1,223 dead you know and I'm really shocked that nobody else has really made a big deal out of it
I seem to be the only one screaming about this the injured to kill ratio is 33.4 what does that mean
that means for every individual killed multiply that and that's how many are injured so for example
dr daniel ancor says okay there's been 17 million people globally killed almost a year ago far more
than that multiply that times 33.4 to see how many were injured you get a total of 585 million global
citizens killed and injured okay it's much more than that now and you know you may say rightfully
so that okay those that injured to kill ratio you know a lot of those casualties were relatively
minor maybe but I tell you what is true a huge unprecedented of those cases you know you talk to
miss brienne dressen who I testified with in the united states senate you talk to dr joel walscock
with transfer I know orthopedic surgeon who I work with in the front of mine you talk to hundreds of
others of my friends that have been vaccine injured okay they're severe vaccine injuries you
know you talk to cody okay the vaccine injured 18 year old young man these are severe injuries
and some people have made the case that you know the the severe nursery and the the most blessed
were the individuals that lost their lives not permanently damaged requiring chronic care for
the rest of their lives certainly that's a huge huge burden on society so it's it's horrible
so what is a kill ratio injured to kill ratio of 33.4 well let me just tell you what that is okay
if you take the two atomic weapons dropped on hiroshima and nagasaki there are about 94 000
injured and about 105 000 killed it's an injured to kill ratio of 0.9 you know if you go to the
rest of the wars all those injured to kill ratios were only two three four five you know maybe with
vietnam we got a little bit better on saving lives on battlefield medicine it went up to a few later
wars maybe up to one of them I saw up to seven but and you you you look at everybody focuses on
thalidomide and we're going to talk about that book but you know des diethylstobethyrol was
far worse everybody remembers thalidomide because of those horrible birth defects and
horrible they were focal milia beautiful sons and daughters of my most high living god
born with missing extremities and it wasn't just that it was other major health issues
probably with with with the lid am i you're looking at an injured injured to kill ratio of
only 0.25 about 20 000 injured maybe about 80 000 killed right by the way one tablet of thalidomide
one 150 milligram tablet of thalidomide given at the right time in pregnancy
50 50 that one tablet but des came on long before the scene of thalidomide came on the scene in 1938
it was marketed to improve pregnancy outcomes it was bloody catastrophic 10 million people in 10
million people and not only what did we find out from des we found out that it was not just
god's the sons and daughters of those exposed in their mother's womb it was the grandsons and
granddaughters and the great-grandsons and the great-granddaughters innumerable a lot more than
10 million people were affected from that in multiple generations so that it that's this is
this is horrible stuff um but when you that's the first piece of evidence that's irrefutable
is phisers own data you know the next piece of evidence that is irrefutable this is absolutely
irrefutable and this is a study of phisers phase three phase four clinical study this is their own
phase two phase three clinical study and they knew they tried to suppress this remember i said i
needed 70 000 patients to do a randomized double-blind placebo controlled trial well you you don't
know how many you know how many how many patients they had in this pathetic underpowered study this
is purposeful yeah they had like 150 in each group 150 in the vaccine group 150 pregnant women
and this was completed in july of 2022 they sat on it for a year until july of 2023 not even a year
ago 11 months ago and then they leaked it out on this website it was so different i've spent
uh dozens of hours teasing this data out this is what they found
those women who are pregnant who are randomized who are randomized to the vaccine group they had a
100 increase in newborn depression what that means low apgar scores some of the babies requiring
cardiac resuscitation a breathing tube down their throats okay a lot of them went to the neonatal
intensive care unit a substantial increase in meconium aspiration and a very dangerous
meconium is where the baby poops inside the womb it's a green substance when babies get hypoxic
which they do with the vaccine and they inhale it that's potentially lethal complication 80
increase in um in in um jaundice congenital birth defects malformations increased by 70
a specific heart defect a hole in the heart atrial septal defect increased by 220
percent growth starved fetuses in the womb because of the placental abnormalities
substantially increased birth defects of the skin substantially increased um specifically
a congenital nevus uh is a birthmark and also some more significant hemangiomas and then this is a
worse eighth a birth defect with a significant developmental delay in six months of life now I
ask you okay that's this is irrefutable data who's talking about this why is it being suppressed
why are these 60 000 ob-gyn's I guarantee you I guarantee you that any obstetrician if they
weren't a pathetic bribed mouthpiece for ssm health and Washington University my former hospital
and every other institution and they weren't a bloody mouthpiece for the fraudulent corrupt
killers of ACOG and the American college and the American board of ob-gyn the society
maternal fetal medicine and they weren't a mouthpiece for the federal government
and if they said to their obstetric the obstetrician said you know Mrs. Smith you know you can take the
vaccine but here's what Pfizer found in their randomized double-blinded placebo control trial
and they listed off those eight items that I just mentioned this is fact this is this is
I've reviewed this data I'll stake my life on it as sure as you're looking at me nobody's talking
about this not one of those women would have ever taken that vaccine no pregnant woman ever would
have taken that vaccine so that's a second data piece of data the third piece of data I said there
were four irrefutable pieces of data sources the second one the the third one was the governmental
data yeah there may be some names on that article of people that published it like my friend Albert
Benavides like my friend Dr. Peter McCullough like like counselor Megan Redshaw an attorney like
Michael Dukovitch PhD like Claire Rogers my one of my co-authors and colleagues and yes I was lead
author this was published a year ago over a year ago in the journal of the American Association
of Physicians and Surgeons by the way the most rigorously extensively peer-reviewed paper
of all my 250 or so ever of any other journal I've ever submitted to but here's the deal
this data is completely open sourced anybody in the world can get this data our methodologies
and has anybody refuted anything in that data not a not one iota it's been published now for
you know whatever 14 months so in contrast to every other publication that is out there and
there's a lot of them that say it's safe and effective and necessary in pregnancy
those those data sources are are complete completely closed completely closed and there's
so many other there's so many other biases to those publications and then the fourth data the
fourth piece of evidence is a manuscript that is actually in going to be impressed shortly
and Albert Benavides is a co-author and and we expanded that to the various database
now we have a much longer period of time we have we have actually 412 months of vaccine
come in the control group including 40 months of the covid vaccine and we've extended that
that analysis from not just 18 adverse events that we published last year but 35 adverse events
okay and these are all compared by the the same methods we used over a year ago and the results
are horrifying i mean again um standard statistical methods um much worse than what we saw we not only
compared it to the influenza the covid 19 vaccine to the influenza vaccine but also the covid
vaccine to all of the other vaccines for 412 months except covid the results are stunning
they're catastrophic uh you know we're looking at not only pregnancy complications to miscarriage
chromosomal abnormalities uh fetal death severe fetal growth restrictions severe placental
abnormalities uh placental calcifications placental infarcts uh placental blood clots
severe bleeding not only in the mother and at the time of delivery but in the baby
and then newborn depression um newborn infections uh malformations um newborn seizures um horrible
complications so so that's the fourth piece of evidence and that will be published shortly now
in contrast let's just talk about what what how could how can how can these other publications
come out and say oh it's safe and effective and necessary well it's really really easy you know
look at look at the i'm reading this right off the website and i've known about this for a year
but look at the forbes magazine the top 20 universities that really call the shots and by
the way this is the exact same thing this is right off the pharmaceutical script that they
did with the litamide with the es they did with they did with the psychotropic drugs too they get
mouthpieces people that are in these academic positions and they pervert them and corrupt them
with money listen i i should i can't this has to be a mistake but i'm reading it right off of forbes
magazine johns hopkins university once again leads all u.s universities and colleges in a total
nih funding one year one year 842 not million billion dollars and it goes down the list number
two university california ucsf over 789 billion university of pennsylvania over 703 billion
university of michigan where i grew up over 698 billion university of pittsburgh 658 billion
washington university who fired me with ssm health you know i was the most experienced published
author in the division of maternal fetal medicine they fired me tried to bribe me with 100 000
dollars right they took over 633 billion from the nih columbia university 633 billion stanford
university over 628 billion yale university over 622 billion university of california la over 580
billion i can't believe this in one year university of north carolina chapel hill over 559 billion
university of washington seattle over 558 billion mount sinai over 501 billion emory university over
485 billion university of wisconsin madison over 446 billion new york university over 424 billion
and northwestern university number 20 over 413 billion listen there's hundreds of more that that
are lesser in value but when you understand that this federal government had an mo that is very
very sinister you know very very evil this is a depopulation agenda okay this comes straight from
the cia and the dod all these other people are just greedy uh uh minions they're they're they're
basically useful idiots that are trying to make some money and are greedy including
pfizer and maderna you know everybody else is just in it for the money so what are the other obvious
biases like take for the new england journal medicine and i'll call eric rubin out he's a
criminal he needs to be destroyed with civil litigation and with criminal litigation he needs
to go in neurenberg 2.0 eric rubin editor in chief of the new england journal medicine
that journal has been corrupt for 50 years making money off their people honoring them and worshiping
them bowing down to their publications when they're nothing more than a corporate kleptocratic
uh you know money hungry institution along with their uh society in massachusetts there so you
know this is what they did was to when they pushed this new england journal medicine lead author
shimabukuro um this again was a ghost written this was ghost written uh i don't like ghost writers
okay because most of them work for the the pfizer uh and the pharmaceutical industry what they do is
have they've been doing this for centuries they're masters at masters of deception
they they wrote this article and it's very hard to see where they lie and cheat unless you really
have a trained eye there were 21 co-authors on that manuscript 21 they were all federal employees
shimabukuro himself shimabukuro himself was ahead of the vaccine safety committee for the hhs cdc and
fda this he was a lead author what these authors did was of course they manipulated the data um but
let me tell you what i can prove and by the way did you see clare craig and the other experts now
that have come out we've been saying this for two or three years vaccination status has been totally
fraudulent nobody tells what is your definition of vaccine status are you vaccinated or not
well many of these even the federal government they they now clare rogers says that ons has
admitted that they were calling some people that died that they were calling them unvaccinated they
were not unvaccinated they were vaccinated there might have been some qualifier in the in the small
print such as oh they only had their vaccination for two weeks isn't that convenient or oh they
only had one vaccination oh isn't that convenient they were vaccinated and and so nobody knows what
the real vaccination the federal our federal government said oh yeah we for purposes of
efficacy of the vaccine yeah we use two weeks because it takes that much time so so they've
there's many officials but this oh but that's just limited to efficacy studies don't buy that if you
if you buy that i got a i got a bridge here that connects gulf reese to pensacola it's a four mile
bridge i'll sell it to you and give you a good deal so so and all these authors that that publish
in these departments can you imagine if i'm the chairman if i were chairman of washington university
which which i should have been because the chairman of that department it will be june wayne was
uh you know no credibility but i won't mention her name but if i were that chairman
and i had i fed her all of my publications never once did she debate me never once did she give
an opportunity for me to do grand rounds i was suppressed and censored so one step further if
they took that 307 million actually just the hospital remember i told you before that
saint that's from the federal government there's so many different funding sources
but washington university st louis my former institution that's 633 billion dollars in a year
according to this forbes article that i'm looking at right now okay so there's so many different
levels of money sources but could you imagine if i were chairman and i had um 10 of my ob gyn
doctors say you know hey dr thorpe um you know the vaccine is dangerous we want your blessing
to submit this um for publication i couldn't submit that for publication i was the chairman
of the department and in my department the protocol says that all pregnant women get
vaccinated i couldn't allow a publication from my department that were saying that the vaccine
were safe effective and necessary in pregnancy i would say no you're not publishing it you can't
publish it from this department of course they're doing that and then there's so many other uh
biases there i i'm going to say just a few other uh a few other um comments here and i wonder if
i could share my screen yes you can jim is that okay yeah charles yep
james it's a brilliant presentation
stephen maybe not you guys yeah i said that yeah i know but you're a co-host you can you can um
you can share just no dramas can you hear me charles yes you can share i guess i can't hear you
yeah i'm talking can you hear me
jim can you hear me i don't have audio oh oh i know why i don't have audio i know
can you guys hear me yep yes yeah okay i can hear you now good okay so you can share your
screen no problems just click on share screen yeah i mean
all right here we go
i'm getting there bear with me yep i'm not the most why are you doing that jim i just want to say
well i'll be quiet when it when you call it up on the screen but for claire just to really drive
home the point the money that you're speaking of and this is you really have the story you and
maggie of the money it's it's beyond colossal i need a word beyond colossal right and that
basically is how they did it like not big money not colossal money but something beyond colossal
money would you agree absolutely can you guys see my screen yes we can yes we can jim and uh cilia
the the the word you're looking for is from monty python it's a really really really big number
yeah thank you jose i i want to credit maggie thorpe who's an attorney also has a divinity
degree but she's done some incredible work in bad faith insurance industry she's a sleuth she's
a little bit shyer than i am but she's speaking out aggressively and listen we're a dynamic duo
that is a pretty formidable team she takes the attorney side i take the md side if you go to the
america out loud just google four letters four words america out loud news and that'll take you
to that america out loud banner there red white and blue there go all the way over the right side
and hit menu and go down to the menu and click on authors and hosts and then scroll down and you'll
see a my wife maggie thorpe jd and a picture of myself and then click on that and that'll take
you about 16 or 18 of our publications just in his last you know just in as many months i can tell
you that i i don't the the publish the publications that we have on that platform every single one of
them has highlighted the government uh the corruption that's going on in the four years like um like no
other constellation of articles in fact we're we're publishing this in a book a publisher is asked to
if they could put this together and publish it but you know it it goes on from and i'll close
the of those 16 articles you'll see that oh in that picture there the cvs and walgreens those
are the two largest pharmacy retail pharmacies outlet in united states america
they took billions of dollars in 2021 with the sole purpose of number one and we prove this look
at the article it's horrible it's stunning the the way that they did it was they
they attacked physicians like myself gaslit us um and mocked gaslit and illegally i believe refused
to fill scripts for the safe and effective drugs like hydroxychloroquine like ivermectin and others
refused and and reported us to our boards and not only did they do that they pushed the vaccine
that was their narrative and they pushed the testing which was worthless and they made a bloody
fortune off that so this went viral the article you know a couple of months ago focused on all the
faiths for vaccine the faith leaders um all over the country came straight from biden's chief of
staff jeffrey zianz the then director of the nih francis collins he called himself reverend francis
collins purported to be a follower of jesus christ let me tell you something that man's a follower of
satan he's satanic and then vivik murthy all of these gathered the faith leaders not just christians
but also our islam brothers and sisters muslim our jewish brothers and sisters american native
indians and they bribed him and lied to them and they told them to push the vaccine to their
congregations you know there's a scripture a sacred scripture out of deuteronomy and many of you may
be aware of it they perverted all the scriptures and they used them though this one deuteronomy
scripture i can cite it um basically off the top of my head not verbatim but you know i led you
through a narrow place a strong right arm reached out and you rose your arms outward
do you know how these evil bastards and i i use a biblical term bastards because they are
spiritual bastards their father is not god or not the earthly father their father is satan
here's what they told these faith leaders what this represents is the narrow place was a pandemic
the strong arm was god's hand the strong hand was god's hand holding a syringe and the outstretched
arm was the people of the world asking god for the miraculous vaccine and to save their life
that's how they interpreted this and many other new testament scriptures same way so and then
before that we we published in december on how again all over 420 000 hospital systems in the
united states of america were bribed now this is different from the nih money this is totally
separate fund okay this is from the provider relief fund so it's totally different there's so
many there there may be a hundred or more different funds this is a totally different fund from the
cbs and the wall green in the pharmacies and and so from the provider relief fund in december
maggie and i published and we have all the verifiable links 186 billion dollars
to capture over 420 000 hospital systems including mine that's where ssm health and
st louis slu st louis university which is the university they're affiliated with that's exactly
how they receive that 307 million dollars so it's it's an abomination and then of course you know
a year ago we published in may of 2023 maggie's brilliant targeted foyer request freedom of
information act request which proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that hhs and cdc gave millions
to the american college of obstetricians and gynecologists just garnering their capture and
there was a quid pro quo agreement a if you will a collaborative care agreement in which a cog
and none of their constituents were allowed to independently think and to deviate from the lethal
hhs so all 60 000 obgyn doctors became mouthpieces for the federal government
so that's just four of our articles and every single one is powerful like that and in maggie's
typical fashion they're heavily cited you you can't really refute them they're so heavily cited
i i've been blabbing on and on for too much but i really appreciate
your patience with my verbose and lengthy chit chat here thank you jim jim thank you so much
thank you cilia so much for sharing brilliantly one question before steven starts
for the next series of questions is there a chart to take steven's point of evildoers in the book
sacrifice as as i think there was in bobby kennedy's book um from all of it is not actually
there's not that's a great idea a chart of evildoers like a great like yeah no there's not
okay so that could be an addendum that you make available just yeah perhaps on jim's article
the feed uh anyway i thought steven for your question who are these bastards exactly in the
biblical sense um not that i'm an expert on the bible but jim last time you spoke to us and i
think you've spoken to us twice before but the sec i think the second time or the last time anyway
you spoke to us i was thinking i was really affected as a doctor and as a human being by
what you said and i thought all jim needs is a storyteller i thought that and i hope i said it
to cilia or to you or both but i know that we had cilia on last time i think she spoken to us
twice is that right cilia that's right and i think you've spoken to us maybe three times before is it
james anyway the the last time around about the time you were both on i was thinking uh i need
to put james jim's orp in touch with cilia but i don't know whether i did it i hope i did but i
hope so it would be worth the four years work i've done uh would be worth it just for making
that connection so i hope it's a it's a partnership made in heaven i think i thank you god bless you i
think it is i i see my friend uh vera sharaf on here and i had such an honor and privilege of
meeting her what what a hero she is thank you vera all right yeah so i think i hope that cilia
has been able to capture the outrage i hear in your voice both as a medical doctor and i'm a
doctor too um and as a human being and hopefully i am human after this nonsense for this sheer evil
over the past four years and before obviously but i didn't realize to the extent and i now trust my
instincts prior to 2020 i i i was thinking certain things but i was hoping that someone would come
along with a solution or salt get rid of it all you know but but now i realize that we have to
take responsibility for what's going on and we have to we the people on this call and others like us
must take responsibility uh for what we see and speak out in the best words we can and words are
very important i agree with cilia and that's the way that the greek myths have survived all these
years um all these hundreds of years you know because they are highly relevant to human beings
and how human beings function and so we had an amazing um presentation um on uh last tuesday
by a guy who was uh by a wonderful man who was born in the soviet union and um
he was talking about books and he had realized quite early on because gorky had a conversation
with lenin gorky is a writer in the soviet union and lenin after the revolution to uh 1917 and um
he said you need to get the population of our country i.e the soviet union to have access to
the great classics and the point about the classics is that they are the classics
because they have something important to say and so people don't need to read all the uh texts
which are available they just need to read these hundred classics and he maintains a living list
of the classics the point being that you haven't got time most people haven't got time to read
um well most people don't read 100 books um but of course uh there are some who
read many more than 100 um but they waste time with uh texts which are not so um important and
which are results of the classics and so i think he's right right on there and anyway point is um
um so i think that uh cilia you have this incredible gift for uh getting to people's
hearts with your words and and jim the the meat of what he's saying is so important i did think
that if we can get this out to the public when you're speaking last if we can get this out to
the public this could be the way this could be the thing that will bring them down attacking babies
and and uh expectant mothers and could i uh could i jump in sorry i don't want to interrupt you but
before we go to thank you i'm so resonating with with everything you're saying and the ancient
greeks their symbol the the quintessential symbol of vulnerability for the ancient greeks was the
pregnant hair if i remember properly from college the pregnant hair um i wanted to say this when jim
was speaking it came to me so thank you jim amazing presentation uh when uh um so there's a
piece that fits with this i bet everybody here is thinking how how how is this possible and i want to
introduce something that i worked on a lot and and pieced together as i was working on the book and
that was looking at the the woke the woke piece which is not a small piece it's like a it's like
a like a continent right that comes in so as i said in bobby kennedy's book everything fauci
did he did because of woke now i'm not just going to rant about woke we all know about woke
but here's the critical part that just came to me as i was listening to jim the part of woke
that has telling us there's no such thing as a woman that's telling us men can get pregnant i
saw a book today somewhere on the internet a children's book and it says it was it was two men
one of them with a big belly like a cartoon right and it said i grew in my daddy's belly so i just
want to say the piece that kind of prepares the ground for this horror is this whole there's no
such thing as a woman men can have babies and you see to the last we're going to make the list
steven and charles great idea but what i saw i remember when i called you jim and i said jim
all these the walenskis and all the evil ones and all of their every utterance and press release
everything they always use the phrase pregnant people and it freaked me out so bad pregnant
people outrageous they won't and that's like that's them so cilia they've been to live yeah so what
you're saying in different words is they deliberately attack universal truths contained in the great
myths and all the great classics i'm also saying they hate women and they've hated women not just
women they hate everything absolutely yeah and they want us divided on everything absolutely
once you take away essential biological womanhood from women and you spread that all over the culture
i think it actually becomes easier to mothers to this heart somehow still don't even really think
there's such a thing as a mother or a woman anymore it's been going on of course for
you know absolutely everything is up and one more thing real quick the graphics oh my god
jim do you remember how obsessed i was about the creepy graphics who remembers
covet creepy graphics and the ones that pertained to the propaganda and it's really like this very
socialist realist stuff the cart not cartoons the well they look like cartoons but the the you know
the pamphlets the posters it's the the theme and it's so disturbing was that they they have no
facial features they're often brown or dark brown they have often no hands
sometimes no feet and you'll see this if you look up covid propaganda posters you see these
yeah incredibly disturbing themes and and i see you should write about that you should write about
that because if you wrote about that that would encapsulate the evil and so i think what you're
saying is that that these are these pictures were well lit if you like well lit but no nuance
it's very it's sort of ai transhumanist world you know and and you see the doctor with a clipboard
and usually the doctor is also you know um they they push a lot of sort of um non-white imagery
to make the person think oh you know this is a person who's not white so it's like a better
form of human stuff right and the doctor has a clipboard and the mother is standing with like
no facial features no hands and she's she's not holding her child's hand i mean i could send you
all these the child is kind of over here but she's got this posture toward the doctor like he's the
salvation i mean really really if you just look at the propaganda posters it's all there and i've
always wanted to know they're so consistent who came up with that hideous style i know tessa's
here she grew up in the soviet union she's probably very familiar with you know what they
do with posters and graphics is under appreciated part of all of this if i may sorry one of our
presenters cilia and everybody told us that the bbc stopped using colors as they had prior to 2000
they stopped using them in 2000 i think 2000 somewhere around there and you get these
detective especially the swedish and danish detective stories uh that and they're all in
blue and gray and color has gone and apparently it it dumbs people down and so it was i think
it could have been martinez the um the mk ultra guy um or it could have been jason christoph i
can't quite remember so um but either of those could have said it but anyway that's evil as well
um i just so you two together are a force of nature in my opinion i hope i put you together
but anyway it doesn't matter if i didn't um because so i wanted to jim i just wonder so
you mentioned that you know the five trillion uh dollars has been spent on on um on this
covid nonsense in the united states of america i think you meant but i was a bit surprised with
these figures for for for johns hopkins 842 billion uh use university college ross angeles
i think it was 709 billion something 703 billion didn't couldn't write quick enough 658 billion
633 billion you're careful to say billion rather than million and i just wonder you know if so
call it 500 billion average for the top 20 because i think that and it's more than that but call it
for the sake of that's 10 trillion dollars i don't does that is it possible that there's been a
mistake in the i know you read it from some leaflet or whatever it was those figures 842 billion that's
nearly a trillion has gone to one university johns hopkins in a year is that possible
uh it it doesn't seem uh i'm putting the link in the description but remember uh it seems
impossible to me but this is what i'm reading sure right i have this website i just put the link in
there it says it says the title of the article is top 20 universities for nih funding johns
hopkins ranks first again johns hopkins university once again leads all u.s universities and colleges
and total nih funding in federal fiscal year 2023 the most recent year for which relatively
complete data are available hopkins investigator received 842 billion 956 million 584 dollars in
awards so jim i'm pretty good with figures and i understanding that seems a remarkably high figure
for one university for one year it's yeah i mean maybe you know forbes i agree with you but this is
what forbes says look it up now here's what i'll say is well you know the 5.3 trillion dollars
you know this was documented by multiple media outlets including the washington post and the new
york times last year and what they said was that five trillion plus dollars was spent over the
pandemic and there's no accountability we have no idea where it went so it's it's very likely that
the money that that the forbes magazine is talking about is totally separate from that five trillion
dollar path so who knows but if it's true those figures then call it half a trillion each of them
but it'd be more than that 20 times half a trillion is 10 trillion to the top 20 universities in
america from the nih so how could the nih have that amount of money well well well here's where
or are they trying to big up are they trying to big up the nih and say how powerful the nih is
don't mess with the nih all you scientists because you won't get a grant and look how much we give
out so is it true why would forbes get it wrong and why would they if they didn't get it wrong
why would they lie yeah i mean we flag it we try to get the original jim right we need to we need
to nail that figure those figures can't be right jim i'm not i'm not the link credibility i'm just
saying the forbes have either lied or they've got it wrong well i i think that it's a i i had the
exact same um the exact same i i couldn't believe my eyes that's why i pulled the article up did you
guys get the link oh you put it in the chat let's see yeah i put it oh wait wait i sent it to the
wrong send the chat to everybody in the meeting i sent it to just one person sorry everyone well
one last thing cilia and again i'd just like to say that this is so important this presentation
that you two have just done now and you know as far as does anyone reliable have that you don't
have to be uh worrying about whether you're reliable does anyone have the time to make a
transcript of these present of these two presentations uh i think it's really important
to get a transcript of what you said today
yeah so that's addressed to people on the call but uh i'm sure someone will take it up please
contact me if you want to take on that responsibility so there are people on the call i know a very
reliable uh uh loschow hansen in sweden uh hans benjamin braun in in switzerland uh jeroen caucy
in the united states these are all friends of mine so jerry is saying it is hundreds of bill
of millions not billions a billion is one it's a thousand million million is a thousand million
this i read to you this is steve i've just got the john hopkins uh 2023 financials up
uh at the moment um total income is 4.4 billion uh sorry oh good lord there's too many notes
4 000 million let me just i'll put it up a minute that's that's four billion then how many notes are
there if there are nine hold on a minute uh let me just get that up um i've got four five this
is 2023 sponsor sponsored research revenues four five five six five five two four thousand
so how many digits are there before the thousand
so be or after the thousand there's a thousand and there's one two three four five six seven
seven thousand that looks like 4.5 billion to me
sorry let's nail this down so are you saying there are there are seven figures before the
the three notes at the end the thousand yes yeah put the link put the link in the chat let me look
at it so then you're talking about a single figure billion until i think i'm looking at 4.5 billion
that's what i'm looking 4500 million yeah with would that be nine notes or roughly nine notes
yeah yeah yeah 10 to the ninth is a billion so forbes i've made a mistake which is unthinkable
on something so important or they've done it deliberately and the question is why i think
it's the latter i've just put the link in now uh james thank you so someone needs to look into
that that's very important to nail that down and so um anyway to get back to the transcript
so anybody on this call or indeed watching the video if they can email me uh if they want to do
this transcript transcript of this these presentations that we've heard tonight very
important hey steven i see a lot of people with their hands up i think yeah yeah yeah i'm just
volunteering to do it yes so jim i was just about to say over to the people who want to speak now
so charles if you're around charles is very early for charles in australia he's beginning to flag on
his fourth year uh jim doing this and he's sleeping now by the look of it so hans benjamin
brawn who is the professor of theoretical physics in switzerland even jerry brady here you've got
the numbers wrong a thousand million is a billion yeah these are hundreds these are hundreds of
millions right well they're good on money i think so too but forbes have got it wrong jerry it doesn't
it's not jim who's no no they've listed the more i can see i haven't had a good look they've listed
the numbers quite clearly in hundreds of millions who foebs up they've got university of california
789 million university of pennsylvania 703 million duke university 701 um a million these are millions
okay well yes that's what i was suspecting million is a thousand million my my mistake
my my error my error i'm wrong this is important jim it's important to get it right jim for your
book i maya copa maya copa maya maxima copa i just pulled this back up those are those are all
million uh those are all uh they're hundreds of millions millions yeah so it's very important
so it's very important that we nailed that down so i just sent by very important
so it's out by a thousand fold but the thing is it's still a lot of money and it's a it's a lot of
money it's not millions it's hundreds it's hundreds of millions sorry for the top 20
universities in america we're talking about uh in excess of 10 billion from the nih alone
and that's only the top 20 yeah that's right my error maya copa maya copa maya maxima copa
it's okay but jim do you remember when we were doing the numbers early on the number what's that
creepy website that sounds like ccp but it isn't it's like cc seppi ccc or something a us oh oh
cc that's a yeah the covet 19 community core yeah anyone can covet community core corps
anyone can go there and they actually for some reason flout their uh their bribes there and the
total number that they cited there for and they show you like you can see for example you just
scroll down 800 black radio stations received this many millions and the total number there for all
covet u.s government i don't know what the word is expenditure is in the trillions remember that
number jim that was a trillion that they it was over a trillion so so we are into the the trillions
with everything not these universities but sure it's i'll put the link for the covet 19
was put together yeah um so hans benjamin brawn i was just saying uh go ahead hans benjamin
all right we've got ready for other questions now okay yeah go ahead charles yeah okay benjamin
yes we can hear you go for it okay can you hear me yep yes okay okay very good yeah just as a as a
so jerry is absolutely right it's the order of magnitude by the way eth surek has an annual
budget of 1.8 billion so uh this grant money is approximately half of the total budget of eth
surek which is among the top 10 universities so uh to link it so it's by no means a small amount
of money which came in there so uh but now back to the to the i mean was a brilliant brinyard
exposition and um actually it did ring a lot of bells uh even though you're in a different
discipline uh medicine but i uh made many experiences in in in physics you know research
i was reviewing grants and so forth and just before i ultimately ask you a question i wanted to
tell you i mean one aspect is that it seems that in many disciplines there is you know we live in
the age of data so there are data and overwhelming amount of data and actually nobody is actually
able to really mine them and question them so those guys who have the data they interpret them
and because they have the time at the resources they say something and nobody is actually able
to catch up with that because it's simply too voluminous so i think that's a really important
point which somehow you know as a outsider community you know in critical community you
simply cannot check that in particular then the supervisory agencies are actually on the one
cover with the with the pharmaceutical industry in your case so i have now um the other aspect
which is related to what what stephen knows and some of you know uh in connection with north stream
actually that's the sort of the the cozy cohabitation of research which is in this
case not medicine but actually nuclear nuclear and weapon industry which is a similar cozy
relationship maybe even and you know a more concealed one and this is now a personal anecdote
that uh because as you know many of you know that i analyzed what happens with in the north stream
incident and there is complete utter silence from the academic side and i almost wondered why and
actually to the extent that they fight against me they come up with ridiculous arguments and then i
have to in a one-man show i have to refute them which i always did one by one incidentally a note
to to stephen frost in in bornholm the island the danish island the fishery congregation just
dissolved this spring because they do not fish anymore there are no fish left period in that area
but now back to that to this cozy cohabitation i know of a guy he is about one of the few authors
who actually published some was able to publish something on the north stream incident in a seismic
journal and it wasn't revolutionary he just essentially confirmed numbers which were floating
around partially in some databases but it was significant enough that he did not actually agree
with what northa said which is the norwegian seismic agency which is a joint venture with
the most national lab which you may be familiar with you know the weapons nuclear weapons lab
and it was founded in 1968 so anyway that agency was the first one who came out with a rough
estimate on what kind of explosive was used in the north stream incident within 24 hours and now
now the director of that institute northa approached that person who is a young academic
at the beginning of his career i don't know whether he's in a tenure track but you know has
a temporary position not a permanent position and she told him you are not going to continue to work
on this subject and you and i know what that means to a young researcher right if he is going
to continue his career will be over and that demonstrates effectiveness with which research
is actually suppressed in the universities and it's simple so every single individual is actually
confronted with the choice you continue to be critical and then your choice you know you're
axed your position may be axed or you know or you just leave and um and now question question
come on yeah now comes the question now comes the question i mean now i seriously view all the
experience which i had as a grant reviewer for multi-million you know volume grants and i know
how the publication system works i know how people site work and you know how it works and this is now
i mean it's nearly a rhetorical question can this academic system of grants publications
actually be saved and what i mean by saved can it be saved in the direction that it actually
is able to produce something which is of benefit to society rather than the reverse
okay so jim quick answer because there are 10 hands up and we've got half an hour to go
up and we've got half an hour to go
it is a is a brilliant complex question i i don't know that this system can be salvaged
i don't because this has been going on since the 1970s with the new york journal of medicine i mean
we had a lead editor you know remember dr marcia angle at the turn of the century resigned and said
it was terminally corporately entangled and corrupt plopped erratically so i don't i don't
know that can be saved any more than our country can be saved at this point in time but there's some
patient people that have had their hands up
okay thank you thank you thank you benjamin now before we get to you glenn uh peter underwood you
had your hand up you made a comment what zoom does if you make a comment it puts you to the back of
the line you're at the front of the line so peter your question to jim and cilia please and then we
go to glenn okay thank you i'll be as quick as possible thank you very much cedar and james
absolutely stunning presentation i just wanted to ask you whether you'd come across something that
i was involved in in february 2021 i was working as a counselor with the citizens of vice bureau at
the time and i was asked if i would like to join this government funded group called vaccine
buddies um well i knew it was the opposition but i thought i'd become a mole anyway and i joined them
and the whole idea was that the government had got was to deal with people who were
vaccine hesitant and our training involved a lot of angles towards pregnant women i wasn't very
happy about that and i worked uh for about 18 months with them trying to save some of the
patients that uh came to us the idea was that the vaccine buddy would encourage and work with
the vaccine hesitant in order to get vaccines i just wanted to ask you whether you'd come
across anything like this in america or anywhere else perhaps
so
cilia you're muted there are entire there's a whole new ecosystem post covid of i don't know
exactly of that intimate as what you're talking about but you can there are all these um
organizations and they have videos they're very open about it about how to how to psychologically
move a woman from being vaccine hesitant to being vaccine enthusiastic so i yeah there
there's not as much of that sociological stuff and one could write a whole book just about that
but i definitely came across it it's very well funded it's it's spectacularly creepy and dark
and they and i noticed a lot of things that they did again like watch you know the colors and the
there's a tone that they use when they speak that is like uh i mean it's like you're in the middle
of an mk ultra chamber you know it's it's horrific and this is the next big threat and i want
everybody to train like you can hear when somebody's doing that then it's the whole culture is flooded
with it it's amazing to me that it works because women are known for having instincts
all right thank you very important vaccine buddy i didn't realize that what an outrageous uh term
and yeah i've got steven i've got all the uh data the training programs the um the uh powerpoint
the whole i kept the whole thing because i was horrified i've actually got the hm government
official document uh which lays the whole program out i was horrified when i saw it
you know the the united states government the united states government had many many such programs
they partnered with through this coveted 19 community core and through harvard university
they they uh they funded private groups that that just from every level of our society from
grassroots uh city regional state and national groups promoting this um so it it was again five
plus trillion dollars is a lot of money you stack uh five trillion dollars on back to back and you
know you can go all the way to the moon and back and then all the way back to the moon again
almost 750 um well let me get my numbers right yeah uh 200 almost 750 000 miles of stacked
dollar bills so here's the other issue here that is i think really pertinent how can people that
seemingly are intellectually intact you know continue to not be able to connect the dots
and i think part of that is multifactorial but here's a slant that i think is very important
for everyone when i look at our governmental database there's database and you and i look
at three specific diagnoses of groups of diagnosis intellectual problems not being able to connect the
dots dementia um dementias um they when you compare the dementias and the intellectual issues
with a covet 19 vaccine with that of influenza vaccine or all other vaccines there's a huge
breach of the safety signal and by the way it's the same for psychiatric diagnoses there's there's
about five or six psychiatric diagnoses on that various database at the lowest level and when i
compare in a time series that associated with the covet 19 vaccine compared with the influenza
vaccine or all the other vaccines put together there's a huge breach of safety signal and then
one third component is suicidal ideation and suicide itself huge uh increased risk uh breach
safety signal with covet 19 compared with the other vaccines all right let's get moving we're
going to run out of time blaine hi i'd like to address my question to dr jim thorpe you dr
thorpe are a friend of mine uh you dr thorpe are a great spiritual warrior um and there's many other
spiritual warriors here with us today i have a concern though if if we're to have any luck
in this particular war and to save our nation we have to join together in a much more coordinated
way and i suspect uh you may be set up as a uh in part to to buy a variety of people to trick
the public into focusing on this particular question that you're dealing with which i don't
think can actually help us this year let me explain why that what everything you've said is absolutely
true and all those people are being attacked and they deserve justice there's just no way that
justice can happen in this calendar year uh while we have we have the joe biden administration and
in our current justice department uh so anything they can do to distract the rest of us spiritual
warriors uh will dissipate will confuse divide and conquer all of us uh i believe that the
rockefeller brothers and the rest of their evil elite subordinates are happy to see you
uh taking those efforts and they want to defer away from the big issue around uh they want to
cancel the election they cannot afford to allow a righteous president like uh president uh trump to
come back to power because he knows where they are and what they've done and all the evil things that
and he's prepared this time much more than he was eight years ago uh so if if you could sort of delay
your focus on this and in fact in fact every every part of the people that support you from
a spiritual way that you could join in in in the avenue of protecting against martial law and
against canceled elections that's what's going to happen this year this is the turning point this
you know i don't believe we have seven three more years like charles described i believe this is it
if we don't win this year we're done as a country that we are in permanent slave
slavery and perhaps uh even extinction of the of the human species so uh that would be my quest
to you is how would you feel about joining with others to focus just on making sure that we have
elections this year are getting people to work locally together with their local law enforcement
to to survive any kind of gang attacks that are likely to happen with over 100,000 cells that
have been distributed across the country amen very good points okay very good points well jim
jim will think about that surely you will think about that well put glenn elbert
yeah uh hi jim hi miss selya it's good to good to see you guys um uh jim my question is um kind
of a spiritual type question i'm just i uh i wonder what you do on a daily basis to to
stay grounded because i know that you know all of us um it's almost like a spiritual battle it's
like you know we can't have like three friends that all agree on everything you know it's like
you all have disagreements about one thing or another and um so you know with that i know that
there's a lot of shade thrown your way um on various uh topics or issues but um you know
because i know that you're very well versed in the bible i know you're a good christian
you're a righteous man and um what do you do on a on a daily basis to to stay grounded like that
because uh i'd like to do the same i i stay in the word every day i have a personal relationship
with my lord and savior jesus christ um and maggie and i are on the same page and uh you know it's
funny you bring that up because i i deeply miss you know i'm working some 18 hours a day on some
days um and i deeply miss um my men's uh fellowship and and i started going um again um to get out
not just with maggie to get out with like-minded friends like yourself albert physically where you
know we met for three hours friday morning and i i need that because i can't even you you have no
idea how maggie and i are being attacked with not only death threats but with litigation and with
attacks from every level that you could imagine yeah no i i know i know um and with that jim i'll
just leave you with i i just in the audience i posted something in the chat there was a link that
um you know i caught a pedro pedro moro of the cdc which is uh like shimabukuro's uh protege
and i and i think that shimabukuro doesn't have like the same title like he left or retired or
he moved positions um that you know that he had initially um and pedro moro his protege took some
kind of leap leap up up the ladder a little bit but anyways with that i got him dead to rights on
the um on the dead uh alaskan baby whose report was only visible in the downloadable
verus files for a few minutes and then never officially published um so anything and then
and then he comes out as a um uh in this pediatrics paper about the rsv jabs and um saying that
there's no conflict of interest and i'm saying gee that this guy this guy is a part of the
bears adjudication system he's a part he's one of the guys that are disappearing these reports
before they ever get published so anyways that's what my little substack uh article was about and
um man and miss cellia oh you're so you're so you're you're such a beautiful spirit a beautiful
person a beautiful woman um i check in i check in with your with your zooms and listen to you
every now and then and um i i'm probably um going to be a lot like you in the sense that
you've been you've been beaten down for years because you've just spoken truth to power and
uh i kind of uh feel feel like that too like oh my god this is uh i better i better uh take notes
on how how cellia does it because i have a feeling this dog fight's gonna last for many years and i
gotta learn how to you know keep fighting even though i'm getting beat up constantly so thank
you god bless you albert god bless you too my the word that came into my mind was badly you said how
there's there's no good way to do it you just but it's i've said before in this group i'll be very
brief but this is an under under appreciated part of the fight is how to keep how to stay what we
call strong right because most people just want to fight fight fight and that you know it's not
really discussed it's very important okay so thank you albert and you said you're gonna be like
celia so i was wondering which cosmetic surgeon you're gonna go to albert uh calabine i'm gonna
have to go to a lot of them thank you you're muted caledine oh i know i'm good i'm getting
it charles thank you so much for reminding me um thank you um jim i this is more of a medical
question and you know i have reached out to you and we've talked about this on and off but mostly
as a clinical physician i get these questions from women who have had the covet injection
and now they have no idea what to do and this is more of a medical question and so they are
they're frightened maybe they've had at least one or two miscarriages i know that next door neighbor
um has had seven miscarriages and um so i just wanted to know what are you telling these women
to give them hope because we as physicians that's one of our biggest roles is to give
those who are hurting hope and i wanted to say one more thing and that is what does it profit a man
should he gain the whole world and lose his soul and that's exactly exactly what these people have
done they have lost their soul thank you amen what i'm doing is aggressive efforts first of all
take no vaccines i wouldn't trust any of the vaccines right now after what our hospitals
and government have done to us number one number two uh restore all the immune system as best as
possible with uh immune supplements and there's a variety of them i i won't go into them i think
you know them as well as i do number three i would strongly recommend um you know the evidentiary
there's no claims for therapeutic efficacy but you know when you look at the spike supplement
that uh the wellness company is marketing there's some really strong science behind that
and it's been shown to have just the natal kinase component as a lot of science i've worked with the
lead author of the largest study in the world chen and colleagues and over a thousand patients
with that now you can't use it in pregnancy but if you use that spike supplement now the mrna vaccine
now has been shown to continue to produce spike protein throughout the body for three years now
dr peter mccullough saying and so um his extended spike supplement which is is basically number one
spike supplement uh from the wellness company number two curcumin supplement and number three
bromelain uh and those are high quality and um the the best science that i see
again no therapeutic claims no randomized double-blinded placebo control studies but
dr mccullough is stating that it definitely increases the clearance of the spike protein
and there's numerous other uh benefits as well what about the what about the bromelain in pregnancy
though no i i'm uh and we've talked about this extensively i am not comfortable i'm comfortable
with everybody using trying to get pregnant but you know when you find out you're pregnant you
know in the first trimester i i'm really uncomfortable with nato kinase i've i've
communicated with dr chen uh you know there's not enough safety data in pregnancy i'm not
just because it's a natural substance doesn't mean it's safe in pregnancy and i can cite a lot of
examples like that in the last 45 years so not enough pregnancy data yet for bromelain or for
lumbo lumbo kinase or for nato kinase you know you know the the i it's just a potential danger
especially with baby bleeding especially with going through the birth canal thank you okay
very good thank you carlin before we get to tessa i want to share something jim and cilia just an
episode to what we're talking about from anna mahalcha who has spoken to us
so this is this morning came in about an hour ago and it's a cia agent we designed mrna to kill
there's a transcript cia invented mrna tech in the conjunction with bill and linda gates
foundation world economic forum and the rockefeller foundation according to bombshell testimony
of a cia agent who admits that covid vaccines were developed as a bioweapon to control humanity
so just in terms of the conversation we're having i thought you'd be interested to know that many
of you are subscribers to anna but she has just released that this morning you should know that
the cia whistleblower uh stated uh number one that um operation warp speed was a complete sham
it was a front that the cia developed the mrna vaccine and then we see attorney tom renz
and by the way that it was developed over 10 years ago and by the way tom renz the attorney
from ohio that's testified all over the world has a military army soldier from fort riley kansas with
documented medical records from that military base showing that he had the covid 19 vaccine in
2014 thank you chesa uh hi silly and james a wonderful presentation no surprise and silly
i meant to call you so i'll call you soon i'll call you too so question is uh more for silly
but really for anyone who who wants to answer so in uh my learned term deliberation about this
it seems like the main target of the depopulation is actually not europeans and not americans and
not people in developed countries because in the developed countries people are already pretty
damn sick and as far as fertility rates so it's barely a reproduction level so the main target is
africa and people who are still healthy in the developing world bad terms but you all know what
i mean so and because the westerners are put into great distress that is unusual for say the past
few decades and people are not used to that and people get selfish and really focused on themselves
which is human nature then nobody is paying attention to what's happening to you know people
who don't look like us and at the end of the day everybody gets thrown under the bus just under
different buses so as far as numbers and silly i know that we've talked about the whole african
effort before so what do you think about this theory that really the after africans i mean
because those are the people who are multiplying like rabbits they're still healthy they're still
the nature is more or less intact and they're really off to them and their richness and their
culture and all that i absolutely agree uh crossed africa in the early 90s and the aids coverage
did not the op the aid the the aids in africa op was a huge operation put in place
to tell african people that they were dying from having sex and they then the the where i lost my
ability to keep continue in my career at all was an article in harpers in 2006 that exposed how the
george the bush administration second bush administration with a huge i don't know how
many hundreds of billions in a a trans international plot that bought out all the african governments
and got them all testing for hiv and putting the pregnant women on a bunch of terrible drugs
primarily one called nevirapine which was so toxic it was rejected by every single safety agency in
the entire west so what did they do sent it to the developing world so i i i'm i spent decades up to
here with this and and it was like you just couldn't get the story across because people
had the spell oh africa aids is really bad and we're saving them we're saving them we're saving
drugs are so people have this op in their heads right if they if we give them drugs we're doing
a good thing that and now i don't hear much about it i don't know it's as you say i don't know what's
going on now but i absolutely agree with you that was their target there and their big obsession
and then when last i checked when i was in the aids data for all those decades the population
of the continent of africa had grown by the size of the united states between
the early 80s and when they said do you remember the cover stories that said
africa was going to be wiped off the map wiped off the map wiped so they project this weird
you know wishful thinking scenario they introduce the fake illness and then they have like just a
phalanx around the world of these professionals and these are like pharmaceutical funded gay men
in cities like new york and los angeles flying around the world dictating with african governments
what kind of chemicals african women should put on their genitals and what kind of birth
i mean it's it's it's so sick i was i was devastated for so long but i could never get anyone
to see the the racism and the horror of it it just sort of didn't resonate because they were so
successful with the africans are dying of aids i don't know if that answers your question but
oh it does thank you it's very interesting because even in the amendment in the who the
current situations there's allegedly uh the one of the uh statements is that well it's worded in
a way that is allegedly supporting indigenous rights even though it's the opposite of that so
that uh the the indigenous should be consulted whenever there's an invention but what it really
is is that they want the indigenous knowledge they want all the all the all the secrets they want
tell you something tessa you're right right on over the target because when the whole harper's
storm was over and i was attacked and cast up i said to jonathan fishbine the central whistleblower
of that piece i said jonathan what is this really about and he said it's about resources in africa
yep let's move on good point tessa we're tight for time jc we've been talking about christ
jim now we've got jc himself well thank you uh i want to ask dr thorpe um in terms of the women
who have been affected by the vaccination and have had difficulties with pregnancy will this
continue can they get how about subsequent pregnancies are they going to be affected as
well and secondly what happens to the babies that are born what's their ability to reproduce
these are really really important questions uh jerome and thanks for joining us great to see you
and um so uh the short answer is uh nobody knows but we are now having more and more evidence that
our worst nightmares are being um brought forth in front of us right now as we speak
um we we now have the the major journal article from lynn and colleagues in the american journal
of obstetrics and gynecology that's our main journal that showed that the vaccine mrna is indeed
across this right through the placenta which i've been saying for you know four years would uh not
only it sets up shop in the fetal blood sets up shop in the placenta like i've been seeing with
all these horrible pictures and more importantly it sets up shop in the chorion which i'm sorry
with the decidua which is the lining outside lining of the uterus why is that crucial because
that that the authors themselves said it is highly bioactive and they use a high signal for producing
spike protein well that's exactly where you would put the bio weapon if you wanted to destroy the
future of humanities and if this is integrated into the host dna like alden and colleagues showed
that it was two years ago then there could be potentially some devastating consequences now
alden's study was in the lab but it was human cells alden and colleagues in sveden two years ago
showed that the vaccine mrni is reverse transcribed and integrated into the dna of the human cell
now dr michael rezek has earlier this year published not a smoking gun but preliminary data
suggesting that indeed the same thing is happening in humans and by god if it's happening in the human
cells in the regular shell line so help us god if if it also is reverse transcribed into the human
gametes the ova and the sperm then humanity could be in grave trouble and by the way
my my friends that i work with who are expert in that areas are suggesting that that is happening
in the human body remember the movie you remember the movie utopia yeah yeah it's a very frightening
scenario but this if the spike protein continues to be produced by the body the mrna continues
to manufacture it one pregnancy difficulty is not going to be the end of the story
that's right um you know cilia and i um you know we are well known to a woman who has had
eight losses eight losses since she got the vaccine eight you know those were twins um and before
that she had a relatively normal pregnancy so there it doesn't seem to affect everybody drone
and i do want to bring that light of hope you know there's a lot of pregnant women that
and and apparently they're newborns that as best we can tell have tolerated the vaccine well and
the babies come out and allegedly at least so far appear to be normal um so i do want to encourage
people with that well i'm not sure all the doses the vaccine that were released were equally lethal
on intentionally in order to produce this kind of result but i think the ones that were released
that were designed to be intentional will produce a permanent result and i think ultimately i don't
want what's your opinion i think it'll ultimately affect the dna and therefore become a replicated
part of the human system i hope to god not but i'm afraid you you could be right i'm afraid i could
be right too thank you thank you thank you cilia you're one of the presenters you don't have to
put your hand up and you got your hand up so you're next oh i can it was before i wanted to say about
the hatred of women and the men are women that so that's when i put my hand up so
you can move on i have to tell you i'm constantly breaching i'm constantly breaching cilia the
australian anti-discrimination laws because i i i refuse to have sex with a man i discriminate
against men vera good for you i want to disagree a little bit i think that the third world and
africa in particular have been all along the laboratory but now they brought it here now they
brought it to the west and i think part of it has to do with since you talked about money yeah
where's the money where the money america in europe is where you can get the highest
amount for whatever medical countermeasure you launch so of course they're going to go
here now they will it's not as though they no longer care about reducing the population in
africa of course they do but they have time they want to cash in first they can't cash in there
so i think really we are now in the crosshairs and also politically just think about it they want to
take us down because we you know uh still hold some power
actually agree i agree vera yeah i agree i mean i sort of you know i think both now i want to
as far as you know the the uh moral and spiritual take down you know i mean really the worst is what
you're dealing with you know in my book i'm dealing with the whole scope from the holocaust on
but you know they have gone so far as in canada for example assisted suicide is another way they're
getting rid of people very encouraging in fact they're encouraging children to to say i want to
die to honor that with or without parental consent now where are we going
where are we where are we we're really smacked in the what should i say the um
what the nazis started this is now full bloom it's far beyond
and as far as the medical profession which you know i've talked about right from the get-go
comparing the two because they really are so similar in without the doctors this couldn't be
done people mother doctors well without the it wouldn't be done now um
you know i mean this is really what's interesting i don't know if any of you have noticed but i found
that the lancet november 2023 published 829 articles about medicine and the holocaust
nazi medicine me i wonder why why in 2023 all of a sudden some of these articles have been published
long ago they're repubs that's that's okay but 829 november 2023 and guess what in march 2024
the new england journal of medicine devoted an issue to nazi medicine why now why a lead article
in the new england by somebody lombardo
admits that the new england throughout its entire history and i've gone through this for the book so
i'm he's quite right throughout its entire history has never touched it and has promoted eugenics
that's the that's the common thread this is a continuum just grown you know with the technology
so much bigger and a lot of it is invisible we're being attacked multi attacks it isn't only the
it isn't only the wounds it's also out there the electronic all this stuff this has been
in the planning even since before the nazis because they tinkered with a lot of this research
but now it's full blown and we're you know caught off guard but i would still
like to emphasize what does it mean when the top journals in the medical field are suddenly
a slew of articles why are they nervous so vera why do you think they've done that
you know when i first started to say i see parallels and that was really in 2020
oh people don't say that oh that no no no no and no you can't say that the hospital's
meant to kill the elderly and i said oh yes they did yes they did yeah protocols and they're still
doing it you know elderly and disabled those were the populations that the nazis also regard as
worthless eaters you know what now they're called worthless people
worthless people now you know it doesn't get much more direct
so i hope when we get a little bit further in our book which it's almost almost time to give it to
the publisher i'd like to let you know about it why do you think that the lancets and the nejm
have raised something which could possibly be to the detriment of them
well maybe more and more people have been either whispering about it or you know there
as we see in the science which it's laid out i mean they really don't have a leg to stand on
but they've got the power they're holding on to the power they're holding on to the money
and they control with the money they control all the uh the journals the universities listen
whether it's billions or trillions you know it's a lot of money and when did universities ever get
that kind of money but i guess they're doing their job they're fulfilling their job they had a job
to do and they've been very aggressive at it and all united all in lockstep absolutely you
all right that's a big vera vera that's a big question we've got three hands up to steven has
to finish we're over time but we will get through these three questions quickly then steven final
question celia and jim are you okay for another 15 minutes absolutely okay great all right
vera great food for thought anders
yes hello so um i picked up something about this matter of that some women do not have this problem
with the pregnancy and in my studies i found that it might be that there is a correlation to that
because the jabs they are electromagnetic with positively charged lnp hydrogel and magnetic
graphene titanium iron etc so so i don't want to go into the discussion with spike protein but let's
say in my theory then my narrative it might be that people who live rural who do not have enough
or too much exposure to these electromagnetic radiations they might not be as much exposed to
the harm in the in the pregnancy and this is a theory which could be confirmed and checked if
you check where these people who have not been affected where do they live so i that's a challenge
to you if you can look into what is the anomaly with those who have not have that negative effect
that's a question if you have checked on it or if you might look into it we have not checked on it i
think that's fascinating i'll email you on this and we'll see if we can work it in what do you think
jim sure um the publisher's uh ready to go yeah i know we have we just have a matter of days but uh
i think what what's missing and what we all really want to know is is there anything that can be said
about who might be spared so i'm very interested in that we may not have time but
i salute you for trying to find it you know keep trying to find it it's very important
very and if it is if i'm right then there is if there are detox protocols to get those magnetic
metals out that might be a way to cure them right so in brief do you think maybe intravenous edta
is a good thing i don't want to talk about any specific that is not so good but let's say anything
which take those things out without harming okay all right thank you thank you anders on we go
jim marv and then stephen to finish hey jim how are you um thanks very much for a great
presentation thanks very much uh cecilia as well um you you know my thoughts the sarz cov2 spike
protein you know who might be spared the people who repel the ace 2 receptor and the ace 2 receptor
designed by jason mclellan has an active there it's a trimer three ace twos and one of them is
placed in the up position which means it binds so the ace 2 is racially and i shouldn't say
racial genetically specific and it repels the ace 2 receptor the k26r
um ace 2 receptor and and and so there's your theoretical specificity of people who might not
be harmed by this um so that addresses why the people who are designing this would have designed
it not to harm them and not to harm their children uh not to harm not to bind to the ace 2 receptors
in their brains and uh we can talk about this later on and and uh and you've talked to some
people about the amish who may share the ace 2 receptor as well um my question is can i
introduce for a second the amish what what about the amish they're in a good spot the amish red
hair uh from the area of the uh ukraine originally um also may share the ace 2 receptor k26r
with the uh with the kisarians that may not be affected by the sars-cov-2 spike protein ace 2
that's what bobby kennedy was mentioning when they freaked out yeah he said that he was lambasted
until until he was joined as a third party candidate to throw the election uh for the
intelligence operative candidate whoever that might be because when you have three people just
like the uh just like ross perot you know uh it's a free for all with the uh people who rig the
elections this goes back to the department of defense and the intelligence community if they
designed it they they had the antidotes right if the cia and the department of defense and the
and the six eyes networks designed it then they have the antidotes they don't design a weapon
without the antidotes and they know they're genetically specific so they have the genetic
specific endos we have to ask them respectfully because they can kill us and uh and the question
is the white house pandemic office the white house pandemic office is now run by the brigadier
general former advisor to the joint chiefs seems have you guys addressed him and shown your data
to the white house pandemic office because they are in charge of promoting the vaccines with the
with the pastors they're the ones who are running the program the white house
pandemic so i'd like you to maybe formulate something and and i'm wondering have you
addressed your and do you have documents that you've actually sent to acog and the american
medical association have you actually discussed sent your data directly to the chairman of the
board of the a of the ama and and that would be a very important and getting a transcript of this
call is one thing but getting assigned and and witnessed by two people affidavit that's a
self-proving affidavit so even if they kill you it's still admissible in court we need to start
giving the information to the opposition or to the people who say that they don't understand
this spike protein is a weapon including the guy who designed it jason mcclellan
we need to so so now going back to what's coming in the future we know that the avian flu peter
mccullough said avian flu is a disease x we know that they're culling animals we're culling things
we also have documentation that hydroxy chloroquine stops avian flu yes and maybe yeah
chloroquine definitely yeah and so the is it looks like if you were making a biotera weapon
wouldn't you make one antidote or a set of antidotes to kill them all and then make sure
your friends had those antidotes while everybody else was forbidden to have those antidotes so the
question is maybe and we know the hydroxy chloroquine half-life is 22 days so maybe
taking a you know i'm not anybody's physician here ask your physician but maybe taking a pill
of hydroxy chloroquine every month or every two weeks maybe beneficial and decreasing the likelihood
of acquiring this disease and and you talked about the the safety of hydroxy chloroquine in pregnancy
maybe everybody who's pregnant or even the even women are not precluded from taking the hydroxy
chloroquine because we know it's very safe that's true so in this we should we should maybe be
telling the white house pandemic office and the ama and everybody to start giving hydroxy chloroquine
at least one pill a month to everybody in the united states including pregnant women who we
know it's safe in and and maybe we have to get ahead of these people because it looks like
hydroxy chloroquine may or chloroquine may also prevent zika okay jim jim so the well we don't
believe pandemics occur jim i don't anyway well that's okay anyway you've expressed that
i don't know anybody has a option expressed that beautifully jim take on board cilia take on board
thank you jim marvin and steven tempus fugit as the as the romans would say marv i want to ask
james uh you know we have an exploding mental illness in america do you see a correlation or
causation of this mental illness epidemic with the our insane vaccine schedule that absolutely
for absolutely i've published on that and and i spoke on that earlier when a year ago and again
just a month ago when i used a governmental database there's there's a extraordinarily high
uh breach of safety signal where the covet 19 vaccine is causing um not only psychiatric
illnesses there's about six diagnoses in their database but number two it causes substantial
increase in intellectual ability in dementia in inability to connect the dots and number three
causes an increase or associated with an increase i should correct myself with suicide and suicidal
ideation when you compare covet 19 versus all the other vaccines or even versus influenza vaccine
are you identifying specific organic places in the brain now well i haven't and varus doesn't
have the granularity to do that but it's a great question we know the spike protein is produced in
you know pretty much every cell of the body it reaches with the lipid nanoparticle now
and so um you know inflammation causes problems in the brain
i can say this real quick there is a video online i think it's from about 2015's department of
defense maybe this maybe some of you have seen it the presenter is presenting a vaccine that targets
religious fervor in the middle east he says this vaccine can stop religious you know passion or
conviction in middle eastern people that's what the presentation is i can't drop it in the comments
it would take me a while to find it but i've i've seen it a couple of times so and that was many
years ago so absolutely and and i've seen that too i can corroborate that all right very good
thank you thank you marv all right last couple of questions to steven and thank you cilia and
jim for being here this long steven can i jump really fast i think that was a hoax guys that was
a video footage from a movie and my friend wrote an article using that and he got corrected so i'm
not sure but that was our understanding that wasn't real but you know just putting that out there
okay thanks thanks amy that's helpful thank you steven so um yeah so today we've been
very fortunate to have two remarkable whistleblowers in there you know cilia with
all the history of hiv and all the rest thalidomide and and then
uh james thought with uh all this stuff about uh this uh vaccine um i oh before i forget peter
underwood could you please contact me with the evidence you've got from the government as i
understood it giving training courses to the people who to the advisors who work for the citizens
advice bureau uh responsible for such phrases as vaccine buddy could you yeah i've got the complete
set uh steven um i'm not sure i've got your email if you could put that in the chat so it's steven
yeah i haven't got time so steven with a ph dot frost as in jack frost at bt internet dot com bt
internet dot com yeah yeah okay bt internet dot com yeah okay i'll compile a complete set for you
yeah and i just wanted to say very quickly that i was a little bit so vera shirav talking about the
very important information about november 23 the lancet and march 24 as i heard any jm
both talking about nazi medicine very interesting is that gaslighting this is just a rhetorical
question uh is it gaslighting or they're just trying to get people used to the idea that it's
kind of acceptable or whatever um as far as the bird flu and the zika goes i don't think that
pandemics are possible because a deadly virus if viruses exist kills its host therefore pandemic
can't occur and i think the whole diagnosis of covid 19 or avian flu for that matter bird flu
uh is um a misdiagnosis and i have my reasons for that but i won't go into that i wanted to
ask about we the intentional varying of lethality of the injections was mentioned i think that that's
evidence of crime um and um in very serious crime in this case and also i think that i was puzzled
about the uh you know we were dealing with a an injection we didn't even know what the
contents were so quite apart from informed consent not being possible uh you would have thought
because women weigh on average i think around about half to two-thirds of the weight so an
average woman not not all an average woman lives uh weighs about half to two-thirds the weight of
the average man so if they were targeting women then it was remarkable because i was thinking if
it's dangerous this injection there was no informed consent nobody knew what was in the so there
couldn't have been informed consent no doctors in the world knew what was in the injections and i
still don't um then um uh so the point is this the dose dependence uh was ignored so the dose
was ignored for women and men so we know as doctors that if you've got a uh you need to with a dodgy
uh a medicine or one that you're not sure of you would maybe uh say well don't give the women
and particularly not pregnant with the full dose you know but they did that but they also were
mixing and matching if you remember so you could have the AstraZeneca in the UK and then you could
have the um J&J or the uh Pfizer is outrageous uh you know i thought at the time why have none of
the doctors noticed this so um so anyway so i don't i wonder what you think of that uh in particular
James but also i encourage you i think it would be great to get a transcript of this call um and
but i also i encourage you please to remember to name the bastards responsible for this the worst
ones thank you so much yeah i think your comments regarding the variance in lethality is really a
strong smoking gun for criminality uh you know you look at the study by Schmeling and colleagues
from northern europe and it's interesting i'm in rough figures about 70 percent of the individuals
that got the vaccine they they knew they had the vaccine they had significant um effects either
locally either minor but they were very significant but 30 percent apparently had absolutely nothing
as if they got saline or nothing and then of course um the five percent um were very severely
injured or or died i'm i'm averaging those out rough estimates so then what's the cause of the
variance there's no good answer for that that can suggest that um there's not some intention involved
if they were experimenting and giving placebo that violated that's very serious criminal behavior
if if there was some other purpose uh that's it's not good and also james what what do you think
is the medical doctor about the lack of advice for women you know so a woman who is the average
woman is half to a third of the weight of the average man um and we know as doctors that if you
that you should vary the dose uh according to the weight if uh yes with certain drugs that's
happening so why wasn't it in this case why was it so kamikaze or uh reckless and missing a matching
as well well great point i mean it's a your your point with regard to a dose per body weight is
very important and and even more to your point why was a pfizer uh 30 microgram of mrna
and i believe maderna originally was three times that 90 microgram of mrna
and they reduced it
james they they reduced it from 90 to 30 micrograms no when they originally came out
um as i understand steven that they that their original dose was uh was of maderna was three
times that of mrna it was 90 microgram whereas pfizer was 30 microgram that's my understanding
wow yeah that would create even more confusion so it seems to me that if they did have placebos
uh in different uh goodness knows how they would do that but but that is uh
just pure recklessness because actually without they're playing god aren't they there
let's remember there's another really important point here steven that that you're touching on
and that is this remember the process of the phase uh before the rollout they did a horrible
bait and switch um the manufacturing process for the vaccine before the public rollout
was totally different it was a totally different process and when they got the eua and the mass
rollout rolled out they completely did another separate mass rollout then that in of itself is
illegal because that should have been studied and it wasn't and that purportedly you know certainly
caused a lot of variance in the batches but it also causes confusion and that plays into their
role in creating fear and when when human beings are afraid they do ridiculous things
and they know that i think so um and what about the naming the people the bastards uh responsible
i'm naming them i name them every day in the book will it will it be mentioned in the book
but you don't have to say now thanks to you it will thanks to you and this meeting it will
yeah so charles uh raised it but i'm yes oh you and charles and this meeting i will
i'm i'm making the executive editorial decision right now that's gonna
have all right we're at the three hour mark i'm shocked that jim and cilia have you haven't been
in the toilet yet steven great questions everybody great questions um steven would you thank jim and
cilia for this contribution to our learning well obviously thank you so much jim and uh cilia
brilliance and the point that i make everybody at war steven remember in a war there are soldiers
jim is a soldier on the front line but the cilia you touched on it you know the point of these
meetings is for us to come together almost like a house you know a conversation or we're like we're
like the restaurant on the you know behind the front lines feeding people spiritually and mentally
so then go back into the war and fight the war so you know every point this is where we find out
so this is where we find our allies we need allies in the war we absolutely need allies and one thing
i want to say very briefly is you know there's this little cottage industry you might say that's
always taking aim at the wellness company i have nothing to do with the wellness company
when we're the other but i feel that the enemy is going to exploit that kind of thing and i'm
just kind of dreading that and anybody who can that's exactly what's going on and charles i
appreciate the compliment for uh not having to get up to go to the bathroom but i i have a
confession to make and that's because i've got i had a suit coat and a tie and a shirt on but
there's nothing on under that so i needed to go to the bathroom but i can't stand up
beautifully put i love it i love it i love it but seriously you guys this thing about like inside
the movement this the main theme seems to be people like us being attacked for being all kinds
of things and that's actually very very hazardous when you're on the front line as i've been for a
very long time i don't know what to do about it but just ignore it you know ignore it cilia
that's what i do yeah i'm not so good at that but yeah they've already come after us and said that
we're of all things grifters it's just it's just insane what a ridiculous word as well i know well
right but what i'm saying is i they already have a powerful troll factory in place just from
jim putting the cover up the book isn't even out so i'm not being negative i've just been through
it so many times so many ways and uh we just remember remember brandy vaughn remember brandy
vaughn she remember who yeah she was knocked off and uh i'm not threatening you guys but i'm
going to stand up here in a little bit and go to the bathroom all right everybody thank you thank
you cilia thank you for all the thank you for having contributions thanks for having us
see you next time bye bye thanks steve thanks everybody thank you jim thank you cilia i agree
with you the words are very important the words which you use and and that's why the classics are
so important because they they tested the words i think the messages are made powerful by the
words chosen what do you know about this that's right be a be a diplomat so that when you tell
people to go to hell it's you can tell them to go to hell in such a way that they're looking
forward to the journey
bye everybody
ablas bye bye we continue