1 0:00:00 --> 0:00:11 So everybody welcome, whether you're here live or watching a recording to Medical Doctors 2 0:00:11 --> 0:00:16 for COVID Ethics International. 3 0:00:16 --> 0:00:20 And today's discussion this group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost, during the darkest days 4 0:00:20 --> 0:00:27 of the COVID scam responses with a desire to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom, 5 0:00:27 --> 0:00:28 and health. 6 0:00:28 --> 0:00:32 I've stood up against government and power over the years and has been a whistleblower 7 0:00:32 --> 0:00:34 and activist. 8 0:00:34 --> 0:00:36 His medical specialty is radiology. 9 0:00:36 --> 0:00:38 I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group. 10 0:00:38 --> 0:00:41 I'm Australasia's passion provocateur. 11 0:00:41 --> 0:00:45 I practiced law for 20 years before changing career 30 years ago. 12 0:00:45 --> 0:00:49 And over the last 12 years, I have helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies 13 0:00:49 --> 0:00:54 for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. 14 0:00:55 --> 0:01:01 I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company and I urge you all to have hemp seeds on your 15 0:01:01 --> 0:01:05 breakfast cereal and salads and hemp seed oil in your salads. 16 0:01:05 --> 0:01:10 We comprise lots of professions here, including doctors, lawyers, homeopaths, journalists, 17 0:01:10 --> 0:01:15 scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers, and troublemakers that were from all around 18 0:01:15 --> 0:01:17 the world. 19 0:01:17 --> 0:01:19 Many of us thought that vaccines were okay. 20 0:01:19 --> 0:01:23 Now many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers. 21 0:01:23 --> 0:01:25 If this is your first time here, welcome. 22 0:01:25 --> 0:01:29 Feel free to introduce yourself in the chat. 23 0:01:29 --> 0:01:36 If you publish a newsletter or a podcast or have a radio or TV show like I do on TNT radio, 24 0:01:36 --> 0:01:39 or you've written a book, put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you 25 0:01:39 --> 0:01:41 and find you. 26 0:01:41 --> 0:01:46 Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III and that there are various 27 0:01:46 --> 0:01:51 battle lines as part of this war and the medical science, the medical medical science debate 28 0:01:51 --> 0:01:55 is only one of some 12 battle lines. 29 0:01:55 --> 0:02:00 Most of us understand the development of the science and that the science is never settled. 30 0:02:00 --> 0:02:04 Some of us believe in viruses, some of us do not. 31 0:02:04 --> 0:02:07 Some of us are on the fence. 32 0:02:07 --> 0:02:11 The meeting runs for two and a half hours, although Tanya Klemenko, our guest today, 33 0:02:11 --> 0:02:13 we only have her for an hour. 34 0:02:13 --> 0:02:18 And after the two and a half hours, for those with the time, Tom Rodman runs a video telegram 35 0:02:18 --> 0:02:19 meeting. 36 0:02:19 --> 0:02:24 We'll turn to Tanya Klemenko for as long as Tanya wishes to speak and then we'll have 37 0:02:24 --> 0:02:26 Q&A. 38 0:02:26 --> 0:02:28 Stephen Frost asks the first set of questions. 39 0:02:28 --> 0:02:29 There's no censorship. 40 0:02:29 --> 0:02:32 It's a free speech environment. 41 0:02:32 --> 0:02:36 Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms. 42 0:02:36 --> 0:02:38 If you're offended by anything, be offended. 43 0:02:38 --> 0:02:40 We are genuinely not interested. 44 0:02:40 --> 0:02:46 We reject the offense industry that requires nobody to say anything that may offend another. 45 0:02:46 --> 0:02:49 We come with an attitude and perspective of love, not fear. 46 0:02:49 --> 0:02:51 Fear is the opposite of love. 47 0:02:51 --> 0:02:52 Fear squashes you. 48 0:02:52 --> 0:02:54 Love on the other hand expands you. 49 0:02:54 --> 0:03:00 And the great challenge is loving those who have different views to our own. 50 0:03:00 --> 0:03:03 These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests. 51 0:03:03 --> 0:03:09 An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives have been generated from linkages made by 52 0:03:09 --> 0:03:11 attendees in these meetings. 53 0:03:11 --> 0:03:14 If you have a solution or a product or links or resources that will help people put the 54 0:03:14 --> 0:03:16 details into the chat. 55 0:03:16 --> 0:03:20 The meeting is recorded and is uploaded on the Rumble channel. 56 0:03:20 --> 0:03:24 And now welcome to our guest this evening and this morning wherever you are in the world, 57 0:03:24 --> 0:03:26 Tanya Klemenko. 58 0:03:26 --> 0:03:31 And we thank you Tanya for giving us your time and sharing your wisdom and insights. 59 0:03:31 --> 0:03:35 And thank you Stephen Frost again for creating this group and for organizing Tanya to speak 60 0:03:35 --> 0:03:36 to us today. 61 0:03:36 --> 0:03:40 Tanya, we are all yours. 62 0:03:40 --> 0:03:46 Stephen, I've made you a co-host so you are able to share your screen if you wish. 63 0:03:46 --> 0:03:51 Yes, good evening. 64 0:03:51 --> 0:03:53 Thank you for inviting me. 65 0:03:53 --> 0:04:00 I will want to share screen for a couple of reasons. 66 0:04:01 --> 0:04:10 One is that I will have some papers which I put on slides or I will show those papers 67 0:04:10 --> 0:04:17 and I will have links to papers so in case there is interest I can, you know, I know 68 0:04:17 --> 0:04:23 it's recorded but if people want to have copy of the slides with the links to papers so 69 0:04:23 --> 0:04:26 I want to show it in context. 70 0:04:26 --> 0:04:34 And the second reason is that you can hear English is not my native language and even 71 0:04:34 --> 0:04:44 so there are a variety of English flavors probably in this room judging by the names. 72 0:04:44 --> 0:04:52 It might take time to get used to one's accent so if I'm saying something particularly medical 73 0:04:52 --> 0:05:01 terms I would like you to be able to see the word, you know, spelled out on a slide 74 0:05:01 --> 0:05:05 or in paper so that there is no misunderstanding. 75 0:05:05 --> 0:05:14 Now I also understood from the introduction that we have a diverse group of people here 76 0:05:14 --> 0:05:19 so I need to perhaps warn people in advance. 77 0:05:19 --> 0:05:22 My slides are quite technical. 78 0:05:22 --> 0:05:32 So I guess if it's not, I believe we have enough doctors and scientists in a room to 79 0:05:32 --> 0:05:40 correct me if I'm saying something or to stop me or ask me additional questions but I apologize 80 0:05:40 --> 0:05:47 in advance to those of you who don't have the, you know, technical background and it 81 0:05:47 --> 0:05:55 might be, I might talk gibberish occasionally to you so that hopefully can be clarified when we 82 0:05:56 --> 0:05:57 come to questions. 83 0:05:58 --> 0:06:08 I have 15, 14, 15 slides and couple of questions so hopefully we go through all of them. 84 0:06:09 --> 0:06:23 I will try to share my screen and you will tell me if I, wait a second, screen two and I want 85 0:06:23 --> 0:06:28 just part of screen two. Will it let me do it? Let's try. 86 0:06:29 --> 0:06:33 Yes, it's time to share genetic vaccines in the immuno. 87 0:06:33 --> 0:06:41 Yes, prophylaxis. Okay, fantastic. Thank you for confirming. So the reason why I didn't share 88 0:06:41 --> 0:06:50 an entire screen is because I want to be able to move between tabs and so I want to leave part of 89 0:06:50 --> 0:06:58 my screen open but what I always say to my students at this point is that I have two screens. 90 0:06:58 --> 0:07:05 I'm going to be looking at a screen where I have my visual aid so I may struggle to keep 91 0:07:05 --> 0:07:12 track on, you know, people in your little screens so if you have questions please do interrupt me 92 0:07:12 --> 0:07:19 because I may not be able to see reactions. Well, what we do is we will listen to you 93 0:07:19 --> 0:07:23 and then when you finish we will, we're used to doing that and asking the questions at the end, 94 0:07:23 --> 0:07:37 okay? Okay, okay. So go for it. Okay, good. Right, so well just to make sure they're all on the same page 95 0:07:38 --> 0:07:46 the two main platforms which were used to create genetic vaccines for 96 0:07:46 --> 0:07:54 immunoprophylaxis of COVID-19 used in developed countries, in western world countries, 97 0:07:54 --> 0:08:03 were adenoviral platform and liposome mRNA platform. There were some other platforms used 98 0:08:04 --> 0:08:10 to a much lesser extent, for example protein-based Novavax or there is a large 99 0:08:11 --> 0:08:19 number, well we are talking billions of people who are also or at least hundreds of millions of 100 0:08:19 --> 0:08:26 people who are also injected with standard vaccines like coronavax. So I'm not talking 101 0:08:26 --> 0:08:33 about any of those, I'm talking today about genetic vaccines and more specifically about 102 0:08:33 --> 0:08:43 adenoviral platforms. So these are Johnson and Johnson and AstraZeneca and Covishield. 103 0:08:46 --> 0:08:57 These vaccines are similar in the type of technology but they are quite different in what 104 0:08:57 --> 0:09:06 viruses, what adenoviruses were used and I will spend a lot of my slides, a lot of my talk 105 0:09:06 --> 0:09:15 will be spent looking at difference between these viruses. But before I get to that point, 106 0:09:15 --> 0:09:23 before I dive into more details of what's the difference between adenovirus 26 used in Johnson 107 0:09:23 --> 0:09:32 and Johnson vaccine and Chad Oaks one used in AstraZeneca, before I go in there I'd like to 108 0:09:34 --> 0:09:46 do a short detour into adenoviruses as vectors or as platforms for drugs. If there are oncologists, 109 0:09:46 --> 0:09:54 doctors who are treating cancer patients in a room, they are most likely familiar with 110 0:09:54 --> 0:10:01 attempts to create oncolytic viruses and use oncolytic viruses to treat cancer. 111 0:10:04 --> 0:10:11 Well the treatment of or attempts to treat tumors with oncolytic viruses 112 0:10:12 --> 0:10:22 have never really gained widespread use. There are only few examples of these drugs being 113 0:10:22 --> 0:10:33 consistently used beyond the clinical trial or some small applications. One of them is in China 114 0:10:33 --> 0:10:40 and we don't have much data about it. I put a link on a slide which talks more about this vaccine 115 0:10:40 --> 0:10:48 because it's an example of commercially successful adenoviral based drug. 116 0:10:50 --> 0:11:02 There were fewer successes if any in Europe. There were some applications to approve attempts 117 0:11:02 --> 0:11:11 to register adenoviral drugs in Europe but you can easily verify it but it's easier to find 118 0:11:11 --> 0:11:19 an unsuccessful application than a successful. So this in some what I try to say with these two 119 0:11:19 --> 0:11:29 slides is that this platform has been like a promising platform for 25 years now and it's 120 0:11:29 --> 0:11:38 built trials for various diseases and several companies were trying to make it a commercial 121 0:11:38 --> 0:11:51 success and with not much breakthrough. One of the examples of a failed adenoviral vaccine for 122 0:11:51 --> 0:12:01 infection disease is a failed attempt to create a vaccine against a human immunodeficiency virus, 123 0:12:01 --> 0:12:15 HIV virus, which was led at the time by Dr. Anthony Fauci and these attempts resulted in 124 0:12:16 --> 0:12:25 clinical trial which generated data that showed what homosexual men who were given this vaccine 125 0:12:26 --> 0:12:37 were actually at higher risk of contracting a virus 18 months after the injection. So this paper 126 0:12:37 --> 0:12:46 is from 2014 and it's published in a high impact in a very reputable and widely read and cited 127 0:12:46 --> 0:12:54 journal science and so it's a negative data. It's not those of you who've published papers know what 128 0:12:54 --> 0:13:01 negative data is not always easy to get published so one of the reasons it got published is because 129 0:13:01 --> 0:13:11 they've suggested a mechanism of you know they felt in that paper that they found an explanation 130 0:13:11 --> 0:13:20 to this clinical failure so what will lead to improvement in the future. The observation they 131 0:13:20 --> 0:13:30 made is that men who had highest risk of contracting HIV 18 months after an injection 132 0:13:31 --> 0:13:40 were those who had high level of pre-existing adenovirus 5 antibodies. Now adenoviruses are 133 0:13:40 --> 0:13:50 human viruses, we encounter them, they are part of our ecosystem and majority of population would 134 0:13:50 --> 0:14:00 have experience is being infected with these viruses or at least encountering it and developing 135 0:14:00 --> 0:14:10 some sort of immune trace and so they found what in those people who had pre-existing antibodies 136 0:14:10 --> 0:14:18 against adenovirus 5 and they used this adenovirus to create this HIV vaccine they had highest risk 137 0:14:18 --> 0:14:26 of becoming infected. So the idea was but it's because we have these antibodies and these 138 0:14:26 --> 0:14:37 antibodies enhance them upon contact with the target virus these antibodies enhance their 139 0:14:37 --> 0:14:49 probability rather than lower it and as an approach to solve it several groups tried to 140 0:14:49 --> 0:14:56 change the protocol one of the groups which tried to change the protocol is a group 141 0:14:56 --> 0:15:03 led by professor Andrew Pollard and for those of you who are not in the UK he is the father 142 0:15:03 --> 0:15:10 of the AstraZeneca vaccine and one of the people who got I think knighthood for 143 0:15:11 --> 0:15:24 for developing this vaccine. Before the COVID-19 vaccine what they were working was vaccine against 144 0:15:24 --> 0:15:34 Ebola and this what they tried to do to overcome the problem of these pre-existing antibodies which 145 0:15:34 --> 0:15:44 will diminish the ability of the vaccine to generate response they tried to do a 146 0:15:44 --> 0:15:55 a hybrid protocol where first dose was human adenovirus and they used a different serotype 147 0:15:55 --> 0:16:03 adenovirus 26 it's a rarer serotype compared to adenovirus 5 and second dose a non-adenoviral 148 0:16:03 --> 0:16:11 vector so idea was what this will help to overcome the problem of pre-existing antibodies or 149 0:16:11 --> 0:16:20 or stimulating production of antibodies from memory cells in circulating in those individuals 150 0:16:22 --> 0:16:27 the clinical trial was briefly stopped due to serious neurological side effects in two 151 0:16:27 --> 0:16:36 participants and also there were fairly high side effects in general so systemic side effects 152 0:16:37 --> 0:16:47 were observed in 77 percent of the group versus 46 percent in placebo group and well non-systemic 153 0:16:47 --> 0:16:54 side effects the difference was even higher however as we are talking about Ebola which is 154 0:16:56 --> 0:17:04 a virus of which is a lot more dangerous pathogens and for example SARS-CoV-2 155 0:17:04 --> 0:17:18 it was concluded that the side effects don't warrant the stop of this trial and so the 156 0:17:18 --> 0:17:25 conclusion of this paper was to proceed to a third phase of clinical trial and this vaccine 157 0:17:26 --> 0:17:35 got emergency use authorization in July 2020 luckily we did not have any emergency related 158 0:17:35 --> 0:17:46 to Ebola yet and therefore this vaccine has not been used yet but these you know first five slides 159 0:17:46 --> 0:17:55 should have hopefully given you an idea but while this platform had been attractive or was perceived 160 0:17:55 --> 0:18:04 to be very attractive for a couple of decades there were no solid examples of success 161 0:18:06 --> 0:18:18 and the fact that these vectors this platform was pushed through with during the COVID-19 162 0:18:19 --> 0:18:31 pandemic and as a as a prophylaxis against SARS-CoV-2 infection it can only be really explained by this 163 0:18:32 --> 0:18:44 relaxation in how the approvals were made there is no solid or you know unequivocal data 164 0:18:44 --> 0:18:53 behind the development of this platform which would guarantee success of vaccines on these same 165 0:18:53 --> 0:19:01 adenoviruses I am giving you an example on this slide of adenoviral vaccines which are used in 166 0:19:01 --> 0:19:11 vaccination against COVID-19 vector five is a it's a vaccine which was developed in Russia 167 0:19:12 --> 0:19:19 it's a vaccine which was developed in Russia and because Russia had fairly strict COVID mandates 168 0:19:22 --> 0:19:28 at least 100 million people were getting this vaccine I don't know how many of them really 169 0:19:28 --> 0:19:36 got it or were able to you know get the certificate of vaccination without getting the injection 170 0:19:37 --> 0:19:45 but the fact that it's a large country with large population and majority of them were 171 0:19:46 --> 0:19:53 and they could only get vector five it was considered to be national pride or almost 172 0:19:53 --> 0:19:58 exclusively except for people who were traveling and some other things but it was almost exclusively 173 0:19:58 --> 0:20:07 vector five vector five is adenovirus 26 and second dose a human adenovirus 5 so 26 is a 174 0:20:07 --> 0:20:17 less prevalent stereotype and adenovirus 5 is a widespread phenotype which in case of that HIV 175 0:20:17 --> 0:20:29 vaccine failed due to most likely pre-existing antibodies this large-scale vaccination large 176 0:20:29 --> 0:20:39 scale injection did not result in lots of specific reports so there are clearly some reports on 177 0:20:39 --> 0:20:47 you know side effects and anecdotal reports on desk but there is no 178 0:20:49 --> 0:20:56 there is no data in open source which allows to scrutinize this vaccine comparative to the other 179 0:20:56 --> 0:21:04 vaccines and the only thing we can say is that human adenovirus 5 because it's a virus which 180 0:21:04 --> 0:21:12 naturally occurs and we encounter it in our life and we know quite a lot about it it has 181 0:21:12 --> 0:21:19 strong tropism for cup for cells these are microphages in the liver and adenoviral infection 182 0:21:21 --> 0:21:32 in clinical terms it has hepatotoxicity so one of the more severe manifestations is 183 0:21:33 --> 0:21:38 problems with which can be described as hepatotoxicity problems 184 0:21:39 --> 0:21:42 neutralizing antibodies against this particular 185 0:21:43 --> 0:21:51 serotype are in between 10 and 90 percent of the population and again I don't it there is no 186 0:21:52 --> 0:21:59 good data in ready available for most of the countries but this is what you can find in the 187 0:21:59 --> 0:22:08 literature the johnson and johnson vaccine is a high dose one dose of adenovirus 26 and again 188 0:22:08 --> 0:22:19 adenovirus 26 is a human virus and it has a wider tropism so it has this virus likes to infect or 189 0:22:19 --> 0:22:27 goes and infects tissues in kidney in brain and in lymphocytes so this is where a spike protein 190 0:22:27 --> 0:22:37 would be expressed if someone got infected got injected with johnson and johnson vaccine 191 0:22:37 --> 0:22:42 spike protein would be predominantly expressed in kidney brain and lymphocytes 192 0:22:42 --> 0:22:50 astrazeneca is a very different story we don't know 193 0:22:50 --> 0:23:02 how prevalent the antibodies against this virus in that part of earth where humans and chimpanzees 194 0:23:03 --> 0:23:11 share ecosystem but clearly in europe or in united states or in canada we don't have chimpanzees 195 0:23:11 --> 0:23:21 don't have chimpanzees living in a wild and so we don't have any natural way to be exposed absolute 196 0:23:21 --> 0:23:30 majority of us has no natural way to be exposed to this virus and the antibodies neutralizing 197 0:23:30 --> 0:23:40 antibodies would be barely present in the human population if at all and i don't have i don't have 198 0:23:40 --> 0:23:47 any data for this i don't i could not find anything published in relation to this but 199 0:23:47 --> 0:23:56 take into account what as a team which developed astrazeneca vaccine this is the same team of 200 0:23:56 --> 0:24:05 scientists who tried the other two adenoviruses and they did not get you know results weren't 201 0:24:05 --> 0:24:14 fantastic i think the rationale was what we will take a serotype which can infect human 202 0:24:15 --> 0:24:23 it can infect humans so it's a virus which is guaranteed to replicate in human cells 203 0:24:23 --> 0:24:31 and generate spike protein and generate immune response but there will be no 204 0:24:31 --> 0:24:40 um pre-existing antibodies in the population and therefore this vaccine would be more likely 205 0:24:40 --> 0:24:50 to provide this robust immunity against sars-cov-2 and not enhance the probability of 206 0:24:50 --> 0:25:00 um actually contracting the virus now this calculation uh unfortunately was wrong 207 0:25:02 --> 0:25:10 it's particularly clear in the uk data because unlike other countries united kingdom were 208 0:25:11 --> 0:25:18 first to approve astrazeneca and it was first uh anti-sars-cov-2 vaccine approved in the uk 209 0:25:18 --> 0:25:25 and this was the vaccine which was used at the start of drive to vaccinate and as a result 210 0:25:25 --> 0:25:35 almost half of uk population uh which received a vaccination were vaccinated with oxford astrazeneca 211 0:25:36 --> 0:25:47 vaccine at least the first dose and on the oxford uh in the research group uh which developed the 212 0:25:47 --> 0:25:57 vaccine proudly published data about 24 millions of people have received full um course which is 213 0:25:57 --> 0:26:05 two doses of astrazeneca because we had in our population a lot of people who would only had 214 0:26:05 --> 0:26:16 astrazeneca it was very obvious within first half a year that astrazeneca alone 215 0:26:17 --> 0:26:23 provides weak protection which quickly goes down so here if you look at these 216 0:26:25 --> 0:26:33 gray circles this is protection against omicron because while we had delta predominantly 217 0:26:33 --> 0:26:41 circulating astrazeneca was providing with some decent immunity but as soon as omicron came around 218 0:26:42 --> 0:26:54 this protection um became clearly inadequate and moreover within 20 weeks from vaccination 219 0:26:54 --> 0:27:02 if you've received two doses of astrazeneca you were actually more likely to contract 220 0:27:02 --> 0:27:07 sars-cov-2 if you compared to someone who did not receive any vaccination 221 0:27:08 --> 0:27:19 so despite the fact that this particular serotype was chimpanzee specific and humans would not have 222 0:27:20 --> 0:27:27 antibodies against the actual adenoviral vector unfortunately the observation was similar to the 223 0:27:27 --> 0:27:36 observation made by antony fauci nine years or eight years prior with hiv vaccine where after the 224 0:27:37 --> 0:27:43 injection sometime later 18 months in case of hiv half a year in case of sars-cov-2 225 0:27:44 --> 0:27:51 you lose any protection at and even moreover you become more susceptible to contracting a virus 226 0:27:52 --> 0:28:03 this I think is already quite dumb in itself because it's another example of failed 227 0:28:03 --> 0:28:12 adenoviral vector-based vaccine but and just one more slide I'll go quickly over this slide to move 228 0:28:12 --> 0:28:19 to more interesting stuff the same is so it's not it's not just a chimpanzee 229 0:28:19 --> 0:28:27 adenovirus human adenovirus you remember johnson and johnson used adenovirus serotype 26 230 0:28:28 --> 0:28:41 and it's a human backbone and this blue curve here shows what the protection afforded by 231 0:28:42 --> 0:28:53 afforded by johnson and johnson vaccine veins quite the veins quickly also the same about 232 0:28:53 --> 0:29:02 20-24 weeks this paper does not show what it goes into negative but we have data from some large 233 0:29:03 --> 0:29:10 cohort studies from nordic countries which confirm the observation made in uk with this 234 0:29:10 --> 0:29:17 vaccine enhances your chances to contract sars-cov-2 several months down the line now 235 0:29:19 --> 0:29:29 these observations this fact but this is not protecting from contracting sars-cov-2 236 0:29:31 --> 0:29:40 is already not good news but then there was this additional observation already in february 237 0:29:40 --> 0:29:47 2021 within weeks of start of administration of this vaccine 238 0:29:49 --> 0:29:59 doctors recorded numerous instances of very unusual syndrome which they called vaccine-induced 239 0:29:59 --> 0:30:12 immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis vitt and doctors in a room will correct me if i'm wrong 240 0:30:12 --> 0:30:18 but from what i understood the reason why it's called vitt is because there is a similar 241 0:30:18 --> 0:30:25 clinically similar similar syndrome which developed on rare occasions by people who receive 242 0:30:25 --> 0:30:32 heparin therapy and it's heparin induced thrombocytopenia and thrombosis 243 0:30:32 --> 0:30:42 hitt or short abbreviation is h i t which inspired the name because clinical presentation was 244 0:30:42 --> 0:30:46 similar and it's the 245 0:30:49 --> 0:30:55 fast developing syndrome which is very dangerous particularly if 246 0:30:58 --> 0:31:08 thrombosis occurs in cerebral parts of the if in in cerebral tissues or cavities sorry more correct 247 0:31:08 --> 0:31:20 um description or correct term will be cerebral um not the tissue but in cavities or in vessels 248 0:31:21 --> 0:31:26 now this um thrombosis with thrombocytopenia 249 0:31:28 --> 0:31:35 was described as something what occurs pretty much once per half a million people 250 0:31:36 --> 0:31:45 now again i just don't it's definitely more not my area of expertise i don't know how prevalent is 251 0:31:45 --> 0:31:52 the use of heparin and you know whether it's something so rare with no doctor in this room 252 0:31:52 --> 0:32:02 ever encountered h i t t i don't know whether it's something what you know everyone encountered but 253 0:32:02 --> 0:32:09 the data i found what this syndrome before start of vaccination with astrazeneca vaccine 254 0:32:10 --> 0:32:16 or the prevalence was one case for 400 000 people 255 0:32:18 --> 0:32:26 well with astrazeneca particularly for people under 50 years the estimate stands at about one 256 0:32:26 --> 0:32:35 case per 25 000 doses we know and i'm sure you've discussed it in this room many times 257 0:32:36 --> 0:32:46 how under reported the vaccine injuries are so this is just the official data i i don't think 258 0:32:46 --> 0:32:55 anyone can know full picture of full prevalence but official data is 21 per 25 000 doses 259 0:32:56 --> 0:33:07 now most of the time it occurs after first dose and most of the time the syndrome develops within 260 0:33:07 --> 0:33:18 days or first couple of weeks after first dose the mortality diagnosis is 22 percent as described 261 0:33:18 --> 0:33:26 in this paper and i have a link to a paper here and if it's a cerebral thrombosis and the risk of 262 0:33:26 --> 0:33:35 death increases significantly in the uk there were a couple of high profile cases including 263 0:33:35 --> 0:33:45 one popular and fairly young bbc presenter whose death due to astrazeneca vaccination 264 0:33:45 --> 0:33:52 made it to front pages and already in april 2021 265 0:33:54 --> 0:34:01 in here in the uk this vaccine was no longer offered to anyone under age of 30 266 0:34:01 --> 0:34:10 and by may 2021 this vaccine was not offered to anyone under age of 40 and pretty much 267 0:34:11 --> 0:34:16 they stopped offering it because of the way the vaccination was organized elder people were 268 0:34:16 --> 0:34:26 vaccinated first and so by the time you know by may june it would be that age category which would 269 0:34:26 --> 0:34:34 be under 30 under 40 who will be in line to get vaccinated but they were it was no longer they 270 0:34:34 --> 0:34:40 were no longer offered this vaccine unless it's stated in guidelines guidelines there is no 271 0:34:40 --> 0:34:45 alternative so if there is no other vaccine present in that vaccination clinic then we will 272 0:34:45 --> 0:34:57 administer astrazeneca otherwise priority were given to phaser or moderna simultaneously doctors 273 0:34:57 --> 0:35:05 and scientists were looking at the molecular mechanism of this vitt and as i mentioned already 274 0:35:05 --> 0:35:13 because it clinically was very similar to hitt clinicians started to look for antibodies against 275 0:35:13 --> 0:35:23 platelet factor 4 because that was a well-known well-described mechanism of hitt now one of the 276 0:35:23 --> 0:35:34 things which is important to stress is that these antibodies which are characteristic for hitt 277 0:35:34 --> 0:35:43 are not the same as autoimmune antibodies which are characteristic for vitt and what i'm trying 278 0:35:43 --> 0:35:55 to say is this paper which is a paper from the uk and it's looking at the natural history of this 279 0:35:55 --> 0:36:02 vaccine-induced immune thrombocytopenia and thrombosis and what they say here is what 280 0:36:03 --> 0:36:06 many laboratories in the country 281 0:36:08 --> 0:36:19 converted their assays which were used to diagnose hitt or hitt to a certain immunosay 282 0:36:19 --> 0:36:28 which are not sensitive to the itt cases so you know unless you knew to send it somewhere 283 0:36:28 --> 0:36:35 where we will be looking at the specific antibodies just screening with a readily 284 0:36:35 --> 0:36:45 available test for antibodies against platelet factor 4 in complex with heparin would give you 285 0:36:45 --> 0:36:54 negative it it you know it might be clinically presented as thrombocytopenia with thrombosis 286 0:36:54 --> 0:37:02 but it won't be classed as vaccine-induced because there will be no pf4 antibodies detected 287 0:37:03 --> 0:37:12 and a lot of it can be probably explained by the fact that most laboratories used a test which 288 0:37:12 --> 0:37:18 would miss these antibodies now going back to the 289 0:37:18 --> 0:37:23 the understanding of molecular mechanism 290 0:37:25 --> 0:37:33 this idea of antibodies autoimmune antibodies against platelet factor 4 so platelet factor 4 291 0:37:33 --> 0:37:41 is crucial for blood clotting it's naturally occurring in our plasma and indeed out antibodies 292 0:37:41 --> 0:37:49 against these factors this protein factor is very bad news and if in case of heparin-induced 293 0:37:49 --> 0:37:57 antibodies we know what the reason why they develop is because heparin forms a complex 294 0:37:57 --> 0:38:08 with platelet factor 4 and this complex is an unusual substance for our immune system so when 295 0:38:08 --> 0:38:16 it's not recognized as self so pf4 platelet factor 4 even so it's been synthesized by our 296 0:38:16 --> 0:38:23 bodies but in complex with heparin it's no longer recognized as our natural molecule it's recognized 297 0:38:23 --> 0:38:30 as something foreign and that's why antibodies are developed to it but they are in fact auto 298 0:38:30 --> 0:38:41 antibodies autoimmune antibodies because pf4 is still human our own it just because of the complex 299 0:38:41 --> 0:38:49 where it's mistakes our immune system is mistaken and early on when we discussed 300 0:38:49 --> 0:38:57 this in similar groups people were floating an idea but it's probably complex you know of pf4 301 0:38:57 --> 0:39:09 with something related to this astrazeneca vaccine and fairly soon december 2021 302 0:39:11 --> 0:39:17 there were already first publications characterizing this particular complex of 303 0:39:17 --> 0:39:24 platelet factor 4 with that something in astrazeneca vaccine well this paper looked at all three 304 0:39:25 --> 0:39:32 adenoviruses deployed as vaccination vectors so i've mentioned them previously adenovirus 305 0:39:34 --> 0:39:45 serotype 5 adenovirus serotype 26 and adenovirus which is this chimpanzee chard ox1 and they saw what 306 0:39:45 --> 0:39:57 uh some uh so with these three adenoviruses they're very different and characteristic of 307 0:39:57 --> 0:40:07 the surface and here is where it's probably my most technical slide so i hope i can have at least 308 0:40:07 --> 0:40:15 you know some of you staying with me on this slide and please do ask me questions after so this is 309 0:40:15 --> 0:40:28 the rendering of the icosahedron so that's the adenoviral particle this is one adenovirus here 310 0:40:29 --> 0:40:37 and this is a rendering of its surface and this is a colored representation of how different proteins 311 0:40:37 --> 0:40:44 form this capsid this surface now these 312 0:40:46 --> 0:40:59 elements then form that they are formed out of these individual building blocks and here is a 313 0:40:59 --> 0:41:08 individual building block of astrazeneca vaccine and this is individual building block of johnson 314 0:41:08 --> 0:41:17 and johnson vaccine and also a first dose in russian vector 5 vaccine what it shows here is a 315 0:41:18 --> 0:41:25 charge on the surface and you can see by color intensity difference in color intensity what 316 0:41:25 --> 0:41:35 these two proteins they have different surface charge electric charge and what it results is 317 0:41:35 --> 0:41:44 that if you look at this red dots here red dots here represent platelet factor four so platelet 318 0:41:44 --> 0:41:53 factor four will barely recognize adenovirus which is adenovirus stereotype 26 that's our normal 319 0:41:53 --> 0:42:03 human adenovirus but they will recognize and bind to a protein this capsid protein of the 320 0:42:04 --> 0:42:13 astrazeneca adenovirus it's because this astrazeneca adenovirus has the most negative charge 321 0:42:14 --> 0:42:22 and and platelet factor four has strong electropositive surface potential so they're 322 0:42:22 --> 0:42:32 drawn to one another naturally and this complex of adenovirus vector which is injected straight 323 0:42:32 --> 0:42:37 into well it's injected into a muscle but it easily gets into bloodstream indeed 324 0:42:37 --> 0:42:45 indeed and this is where it encounters platelet factor four and then this complex is formed 325 0:42:45 --> 0:42:54 and this complex on a in essence is similar to that heparin platelet factor complex which induces 326 0:42:54 --> 0:43:05 autoimmune antibodies and the fact what human virus doesn't do it is probably an illustration 327 0:43:05 --> 0:43:13 of you know i i'm sorry to say but i think you know big oxford brains were not able to outsmart 328 0:43:13 --> 0:43:25 evolution this virus has evolved to live with us without causing deadly syndromes but this one was 329 0:43:25 --> 0:43:34 forcibly brought into human population through injection and with no human body would have no 330 0:43:34 --> 0:43:40 chance to build defense against it because it's like an introduction of novel pathogen we don't 331 0:43:40 --> 0:43:48 have defenses against it we have not co-evolved with this virus it's it can cause deadly effect 332 0:43:50 --> 0:43:57 approximately the same time there were some articles because everyone at the time everyone 333 0:43:57 --> 0:44:06 was trying to figure what's happening with this vi tt it was a hot topic for publications and 334 0:44:06 --> 0:44:14 you know a lot of publications were at the time biased towards everything to do with covid and 335 0:44:14 --> 0:44:19 covid vaccines and other topics were very difficult to publish so there were lots and lots of groups 336 0:44:19 --> 0:44:29 looking into it and one of these groups is this i have this paper here it's it's greek group and 337 0:44:29 --> 0:44:42 what they found is that 67 percent of people who were injected with AstraZeneca have developed 338 0:44:42 --> 0:44:51 these anti-pf4 antibodies well the prevalence of these antibodies after vaccination 339 0:44:52 --> 0:45:00 it can be disputed by others because if you look at what you know if you look at other publications 340 0:45:00 --> 0:45:11 like this publication looks at this pf platelet active pf4 antibodies and it finds them in 11 341 0:45:11 --> 0:45:19 eight percent of people injected with AstraZeneca but we also say what five and a half percent of 342 0:45:19 --> 0:45:31 people injected with Pfizer would also have it so basically this paper argues what it's not it is 343 0:45:31 --> 0:45:40 specific more specific to AstraZeneca but it's not something what is only predominantly result of 344 0:45:40 --> 0:45:50 AstraZeneca injections and this paper finds what anti-pf4 antibodies were present in between 18 and 345 0:45:50 --> 0:46:00 26 percent of people injected with AstraZeneca so despite huge amount of publications on 346 0:46:00 --> 0:46:11 AstraZeneca i struggle to find you know systemic large studies and observations worry however 347 0:46:11 --> 0:46:20 all of them indicate what risk of developing pf4 antibodies is higher if you were injected with 348 0:46:20 --> 0:46:27 AstraZeneca as compared to when you weren't ejected at all or if you were injected with a mRNA based 349 0:46:28 --> 0:46:36 vaccine is that a question or would you like to hold your hand until the end 350 0:46:37 --> 0:46:43 we'll wait till the end and you keep going okay okay thank you right i only have couple of slides 351 0:46:43 --> 0:46:49 more we are almost there and another reason which i think i'm pretty sure you've discussed 352 0:46:49 --> 0:47:01 in this room many times is that we have questions regarding the reports of side effects during the 353 0:47:01 --> 0:47:09 clinical trial and we have questions i mentioned already one problem with that method which is 354 0:47:09 --> 0:47:17 used in majority of nhs diagnostic labs to detect the platelet factor four antibodies which would 355 0:47:17 --> 0:47:25 not pick up antibodies if they were detect if they were developed as a result of AstraZeneca 356 0:47:25 --> 0:47:36 vaccination but you all i'm sure you all know Brie's story from AstraZeneca trial and there 357 0:47:36 --> 0:47:45 are reasons to suspect what people who developed severe side effects after first dose were excluded 358 0:47:45 --> 0:47:53 from trial on some well without explanation on some explanations which are not related to the 359 0:47:53 --> 0:48:06 actual side effects now i just wanted to so that that's last slide but i wanted to go to this 360 0:48:06 --> 0:48:23 paper here just before before i wrap up is this paper says what they've used standard method to 361 0:48:23 --> 0:48:30 detect platelet factor nine heparin antibodies and modified 362 0:48:32 --> 0:48:42 antibodies and what we said what what this paper says is what we were able to 363 0:48:43 --> 0:48:52 detect some signal even with this unspecific method so i guess what it tells us is that 364 0:48:52 --> 0:49:00 depending on the level of your response because i think the sensitivity of this 365 0:49:00 --> 0:49:07 method would be impaired if it was looking only for antibodies against platelet factor nine 366 0:49:07 --> 0:49:18 heparin version of this autoimmunity and and even if if you are unlucky you know if the person i 367 0:49:18 --> 0:49:26 stopped sharing so what i can see you now and if you are unlucky to develop very high level 368 0:49:27 --> 0:49:34 of these antibodies you are then you will end up in this that's the person would end up in these 369 0:49:34 --> 0:49:44 papers but i guess until we have large scale studies which would look at 370 0:49:44 --> 0:49:57 uh seroconversion after vaccination for antibodies against pf4 and chad oxone complex until we have 371 0:49:57 --> 0:50:05 these studies we can just say well it's anything between eight percent and 67 percent in population 372 0:50:06 --> 0:50:14 and so the people who and and we also don't know what additional factors influence 373 0:50:16 --> 0:50:24 someone's propensity to develop a very severe syndrome if we say let's half half of those 374 0:50:25 --> 0:50:33 injected would have developed antibodies what are those additional factors which increase someone 375 0:50:33 --> 0:50:40 someone's chance of developing full-blown vi tt where it's very little about it if anything at 376 0:50:40 --> 0:50:45 all and i've been trying to keep up with the literature so i think it's just due to lack of 377 0:50:45 --> 0:50:53 studies but we don't have this information so that's all i had prepared for today well tanya 378 0:50:53 --> 0:51:00 thank you for that now because we've only got you for a few more minutes so steven if you take 15 379 0:51:00 --> 0:51:05 minutes we've only got so so a couple of questions i suggest steven and jerry's got his hand up 380 0:51:08 --> 0:51:13 so tanya this is so important is it possible for you to give us a little bit more time for the 381 0:51:13 --> 0:51:20 questions i if you if can you can you bear with me i'll turn my camera off and i will 382 0:51:23 --> 0:51:29 oh you you muted yourself to my children sorry i'll turn my camera off and go speak to my children 383 0:51:29 --> 0:51:36 and try to bargain for yeah bargain with kids jerry jerry will know how to do that bargaining 384 0:51:36 --> 0:51:42 with kids i've got i've got five who did we work out got the most children in this group 385 0:51:42 --> 0:51:51 steven i've got five who's got more than me um bertrand russell had six four four 386 0:51:51 --> 0:51:56 he's not alive the two jerry's up there we got four bertrand had never on this call steven how 387 0:51:56 --> 0:52:04 many have you got three three yeah well three oh no julie very good julie how many of you got 388 0:52:04 --> 0:52:11 two very good okay we have to bargain we have to bargain with kids now just while we're waiting 389 0:52:11 --> 0:52:18 for tanya i have subscribed to the washington times at a dollar a month everybody for six months first 390 0:52:18 --> 0:52:24 six months so you'll soon see whether it's worth it worth it but i'm enjoying reading the physical 391 0:52:24 --> 0:52:32 version of it 25 cents a week um i consider to be a good value and supporting the physical version 392 0:52:33 --> 0:52:38 charles how have they got that to you so quickly it's on the um on online the 393 0:52:38 --> 0:52:41 literally the physical newspaper you can flick through it's excellent 394 0:52:43 --> 0:52:49 all right okay so it's not you can't touch it though charles you look at it yeah correct it's 395 0:52:49 --> 0:52:53 all digital yeah yeah but but it's the whole experience of reading newspapers which is 396 0:52:53 --> 0:52:55 which is very good so they've got a good system 397 0:52:58 --> 0:53:02 so anyway i reckon i recommend it and that's how is tanya how did you go with your 398 0:53:02 --> 0:53:10 negotiation tanya uh quarter is it okay if i stand till quarter past and and they all 399 0:53:10 --> 0:53:17 they also got permission to uh if i'm desperate to come in i have uh you know i have virtual 400 0:53:17 --> 0:53:23 background so hopefully they won't distract you if if they're desperate to talk to me very good 401 0:53:23 --> 0:53:28 all right steven let's go to has you go first steven and we'll be we'll be tight with our questions 402 0:53:29 --> 0:53:33 so essentially tanya you tell a story i'm not saying this is your interpretation but it's my 403 0:53:33 --> 0:53:43 interpretation you tell a story of the uh british government playing god is that right i i think 404 0:53:43 --> 0:53:53 it's not government uh well i politicians is a of course a whole different problem but i think 405 0:53:53 --> 0:54:03 the root of the problem here is uh actually scientists who did not get enough checks and 406 0:54:03 --> 0:54:12 you know balances and steamrolled yeah and they're just steamrolled and and hailed us uh you know 407 0:54:12 --> 0:54:22 savers and so i think the root of it is what you know i i told you it's this hubris of big brains 408 0:54:22 --> 0:54:30 where they so human hubris in oxford yes in particular and who is also yes pollard pollard 409 0:54:30 --> 0:54:40 yes his his uh group um so can you think of any reason why pollard should have been uh awarded an 410 0:54:40 --> 0:54:48 knighthood on this performance well the official would get the sack for this isn't it most people 411 0:54:48 --> 0:54:55 will get the sack for this but he got a knighthood this is uh well i don't think we need to i i think 412 0:54:55 --> 0:55:01 we are pretty much on the same page uh on this i don't i don't know how much we need to discuss it 413 0:55:01 --> 0:55:11 just but uh you know i think for me um i'm taking part in these discussions for uh you know 414 0:55:12 --> 0:55:19 uh two and a half years now even more uh because uh i believe but we need to keep brainstorming and 415 0:55:19 --> 0:55:27 we need to keep trying at least try to create some record of alternative interpretations or 416 0:55:27 --> 0:55:34 requests for additional studies or you know something perhaps not for this time but for 417 0:55:34 --> 0:55:43 later when people will want to look into it and will have genuine desire to understand what happened 418 0:55:43 --> 0:55:51 and and what lessons can be learned yes so um tanya you mentioned the other day on the uk 419 0:55:51 --> 0:55:57 doctors group um so you're not a doctor i'm just clarifying for the audience so you're not a 420 0:55:57 --> 0:56:06 medical doctor but you are a phd doctor um so you said that they decided in the uk 421 0:56:08 --> 0:56:15 to take away uh the recommendation for people under 30 in was that april 2021 422 0:56:16 --> 0:56:23 7th of april 2021 is when this vaccine stopped being recommended for anyone under 30 423 0:56:24 --> 0:56:30 and within a month they said they decided to take it away for those under 40 it was the wrong way 424 0:56:30 --> 0:56:38 around in a way because the under 40s got vaccinated during that month in april um yes okay 425 0:56:39 --> 0:56:44 and the under 30s presumably wouldn't have got vaccinated do you understand so they've actually 426 0:56:44 --> 0:56:51 made two mistakes there yeah so um but then miraculously so essentially that was the end 427 0:56:51 --> 0:56:58 of astrazeneca and then um the british government thought it was a good idea to get rid of their 428 0:56:58 --> 0:57:04 stock which had accumulated because of for all the wrong reasons and they sold it to third world 429 0:57:04 --> 0:57:12 country is that right or third world countries in the plural uh you know there is several uh 430 0:57:12 --> 0:57:19 sub-stuck and a conservative woman and trial site news articles on this topic and i recommend to read 431 0:57:19 --> 0:57:27 sonia elijah's investigation on this topic and from her publications it looks like uh 432 0:57:27 --> 0:57:36 the not just the remanence talk but also you know the uh because they were geared towards production 433 0:57:36 --> 0:57:45 and so this was shifted towards third world countries but how is that morally how is that 434 0:57:45 --> 0:57:57 morally how can you defend that morally not you but how can anyone say uh well well um i can i can 435 0:57:57 --> 0:58:05 tell you the um yeah instead of destroying they donated to the world but you see i don't think uh 436 0:58:05 --> 0:58:13 they were ready to admit what it's something would uh um deserves to be destroyed that's that's the 437 0:58:13 --> 0:58:20 thing um and i think this is criminal tanya this is criminal activity it's clearly a criminal isn't 438 0:58:20 --> 0:58:28 it to to decide that the british population should not get a vaccination for people under 30 then 439 0:58:28 --> 0:58:33 under 40 and then to say okay we're going to sell it to someone else and probably market it as well 440 0:58:33 --> 0:58:41 i i'm not defending um you know british government's decisions uh just by default but to 441 0:58:41 --> 0:58:50 uh explain the logic between under 30s first and under 40s later uh is pretty straightforward 442 0:58:50 --> 0:58:58 logic and i don't think uh it was just a mistake it just younger people had a lot less risk of 443 0:58:59 --> 0:59:08 developing severe disease so for them um benefit risk ratio would be particularly unfavorable 444 0:59:08 --> 0:59:16 that's why when they were still thinking what prevalence of vi tt is about one in hundred 445 0:59:16 --> 0:59:23 thousand one in sixty thousand we felt what for anyone under 30 that's my explanation what 446 0:59:24 --> 0:59:30 happens and we felt what anyone under 30 would run a risk of uh you know contracting something 447 0:59:30 --> 0:59:37 severe with vaccination which is higher than contracting a virus at that time because it was 448 0:59:37 --> 0:59:45 already um time when we you know delta yes but tanya from your statement steven we can you 449 0:59:45 --> 0:59:50 haven't got you haven't got 15 minutes today well i'm sorry this is very important charles 450 0:59:50 --> 0:59:56 everything you say is important from your presentation tanya um you said 451 0:59:57 --> 1:00:04 now i've lost it charles so very good thank you i've finished thank you jerry waters then jerry 452 1:00:04 --> 1:00:17 brady and then yeah uh tanya thank you that was a brilliant presentation i as a gp i i i was a gp 453 1:00:17 --> 1:00:22 for 40 years i was struck off three years ago for refusing to go along with the covet hopes and that 454 1:00:22 --> 1:00:27 that was a brilliant uh presentation and i understood pretty much every word of it so 455 1:00:27 --> 1:00:33 if you got to a gp you got to pretty much every doctor so thank you for that um i there's a number 456 1:00:33 --> 1:00:38 of points i'd like to bring up there are quite a number of people on this very forum who disagree 457 1:00:38 --> 1:00:43 with the very existence of a virus there's a number of people who say a virus doesn't exist 458 1:00:44 --> 1:00:52 now you seem to waste the last 26 years of your your life as a viral pathogenist pathogenist as a 459 1:00:55 --> 1:01:03 molecular biologist um with your ridiculous belief that a virus exists i happen to believe 460 1:01:03 --> 1:01:08 that a virus exists but there's quite a number of people who have discussions on this very forum 461 1:01:08 --> 1:01:14 saying viruses don't exist could you possibly you know confirm as far as you're concerned 462 1:01:14 --> 1:01:26 after 26 years do viruses exist or not well in in these last three years i've been talking to 463 1:01:27 --> 1:01:36 a huge number of people who uh who don't believe in viruses and i think i've developed this sort of 464 1:01:37 --> 1:01:45 disclaimer when i say you know there is no point in trying to waste our time on trying to argue 465 1:01:45 --> 1:01:52 this can we talk about something what can we talk about something what unites us so if say you 466 1:01:52 --> 1:01:59 believe what this is just uh some sort of toxin which was injected if that's what your preferred 467 1:01:59 --> 1:02:08 interpretation i'm fine with it because it is ended up to be a toxin for at least some people 468 1:02:09 --> 1:02:20 but uh yeah obviously i mean it's a rhetorical question for me yeah you're more diplomatic than 469 1:02:20 --> 1:02:25 i am obviously but from my point of view viruses exist fundamentally from my experience of 40 470 1:02:25 --> 1:02:31 winters of of seeing people coming in sneezing and coughing and then me picking it up and then 471 1:02:31 --> 1:02:36 bringing it home to my children so there is some some vector there is some infective organism that 472 1:02:36 --> 1:02:40 i actually managed to pick up and bring home to my wife and children that to me is good enough for 473 1:02:40 --> 1:02:47 a virus can i just ask you as well what did you think of the pathogenicity of the sars-cov virus 474 1:02:48 --> 1:02:55 initially was was there a pathogenicity well i've always said that from a gp from somebody 475 1:02:55 --> 1:03:00 working on the on the front line that there was no pathogenicity worthy of the lockdowns worthy of 476 1:03:01 --> 1:03:11 of the the whole pandemic and definitely not worthy of trading with a a a vaccine even though 477 1:03:11 --> 1:03:16 i'd rejected it was ever a vaccine it was ever intended as a vaccine so that's the other thing 478 1:03:16 --> 1:03:24 is the other thing i'd ask you could you comment on the usefulness of the pcr test and whether 479 1:03:24 --> 1:03:32 quite apart from it being cycled you know 15 20 times more than it was recommended to cycle 480 1:03:32 --> 1:03:38 so you know given that the whole pathogenicity of and deaths and cures and everything of 481 1:03:38 --> 1:03:45 covid are based on the diagnosis of covid by virtue of the pcr test could you just give us 482 1:03:45 --> 1:03:54 a comment on that please and thank you well it's quite far from the topic of my today's 483 1:03:54 --> 1:04:03 presentation because i think a discussion of pcr usefulness in diagnosis is it warrants a 484 1:04:04 --> 1:04:12 more in-depth discussion so you know the simplified version of it when people say pcr is useless or 485 1:04:12 --> 1:04:20 you can amplify anything you like or you cannot do you cannot do a test if you run over 25 cycles 486 1:04:20 --> 1:04:29 whereas there is some kernel of truth in all these statements if you look into it and more 487 1:04:29 --> 1:04:36 in depth and more holistically the biggest problem with how it was used in majority of the western 488 1:04:36 --> 1:04:46 countries is not what it was run to 40 cycles we always run qpcr to 40 cycles in a lab but it's 489 1:04:46 --> 1:04:52 what it was used as a standalone indication with no clinical representation 490 1:04:54 --> 1:05:03 and it and it was basically computer says yes or no and of course the huge in my opinion waste of 491 1:05:03 --> 1:05:11 resources well uk wasted 39 billions on track and trace so that is more in my opinion this is 492 1:05:11 --> 1:05:18 bigger problems and there were several different pcr tests and the one which was used in the uk 493 1:05:19 --> 1:05:26 was not the worst in terms of detecting pathogen but it's how it was applied because it was not 494 1:05:26 --> 1:05:35 we didn't use here drosten test drosten test developed in germany by was by far the worst 495 1:05:35 --> 1:05:44 example of you know high background and not not adequate specificity but it's always just in any 496 1:05:46 --> 1:05:54 state again sorry the guy who invented it the guy that pushed it was less than savory to say the 497 1:05:54 --> 1:06:03 least in the uk absolute majority of diagnostic laboratories use different tests so you know a 498 1:06:03 --> 1:06:13 lot of this discussion is oversimplified and you know distorted and black and white and it makes it 499 1:06:13 --> 1:06:22 easier to attack people who are critical about the response to cove it 19 or critical of government 500 1:06:22 --> 1:06:31 policy because people do tend to make claims which show what we probably don't really know in depth 501 1:06:31 --> 1:06:39 what we're talking about so i wouldn't be you know as categorical as saying our pcr test was useless 502 1:06:40 --> 1:06:47 it just we do use pcr for diagnosis of viral pathogens but as part a complex 503 1:06:47 --> 1:06:54 uh you know element of a complex measure and as i say the biggest problem in my opinion is 504 1:06:54 --> 1:06:59 huge waste of resources and also what we sidelined national committee for screening 505 1:07:00 --> 1:07:08 this population of screening has always been subject to not only cost efficiency analysis 506 1:07:08 --> 1:07:16 but also ethical analysis and this was all sidelined and put aside and circumvent and 507 1:07:16 --> 1:07:22 very people you know very mainstream people who were quite keen to get vaccinated so they were 508 1:07:22 --> 1:07:28 not contrarians but these professors who were on that committee for national screening were the 509 1:07:28 --> 1:07:34 first mainstream people here in the uk to say but you cannot just do it this way you cannot throw 510 1:07:34 --> 1:07:43 out of the window 40 years of development of a special selection process for whether certain 511 1:07:43 --> 1:07:51 test makes it into screening program or not so the problem with pcr is not pcr itself but how it was 512 1:07:51 --> 1:08:01 used how it was streamrolled how it was um just uh forced down everyone's throat and was used as a 513 1:08:01 --> 1:08:11 final say in whether you are infected or not and and that's that's where i think more useful 514 1:08:11 --> 1:08:17 discussion is to be held thank you i i would disagree with you i would disagree with you i 515 1:08:18 --> 1:08:23 we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna jerry we're trying to get on yeah thank you thank you very 516 1:08:23 --> 1:08:31 much thank you all right next jerry oh i tell you thanks for coming today just two questions 517 1:08:31 --> 1:08:36 um and they're related the first is on your graphs where you show the drop off of 518 1:08:36 --> 1:08:42 of uh vaccine effectiveness for over 20 weeks with the astrazeneca vaccine i presume that your 519 1:08:42 --> 1:08:49 vaccine effectiveness number on the on the on the scale is antibody persistence am i correct 520 1:08:50 --> 1:08:58 uh so the study on uh u.s veterans was actually a symptomatic disease and death 521 1:09:00 --> 1:09:06 so the graph you showed on the drop off of effectiveness on vaccine effectiveness you 522 1:09:06 --> 1:09:13 showed the drop off for the astrazeneca versus the Pfizer over 20 weeks and yes yes that was 523 1:09:13 --> 1:09:24 antibody persistence um well it's pcr so it's uh i'm just checking i'm making sure my uh what 524 1:09:24 --> 1:09:32 i'm saying is correct so forgive me i am looking sideways on that graph no it's pcr positivity so 525 1:09:32 --> 1:09:36 the graph i showed because it's just one of the graphs there are several graphs in that paper 526 1:09:36 --> 1:09:44 and link is on my slide the graph i showed is a graph for pcr positivity which uh well we just 527 1:09:44 --> 1:09:51 talked about pcr so it doesn't mean person is necessarily ill but whether pcr positive 528 1:09:52 --> 1:09:58 i don't think we're talking about the same graph sorry i'm going to share it back i'm going to 529 1:09:58 --> 1:10:07 share it back in case uh yeah not that one the previous the previous one the uk uk one 530 1:10:07 --> 1:10:14 uk one yeah that one there that's the one yeah oh that's also no that's also pcr positivity 531 1:10:14 --> 1:10:23 uk used pcr positivity as the only surrogate point well not only uh for for this particular 532 1:10:23 --> 1:10:31 one because this was a surveillance study they were also recording some symptoms 533 1:10:32 --> 1:10:39 but you could have been referred to the test if you were symptomatic but you had exposure 534 1:10:40 --> 1:10:47 as you know so this graph here does not necessarily include people who had any symptoms 535 1:10:48 --> 1:10:57 it includes anyone who was deemed to be pcr positive and i i agree with what dr water said 536 1:10:57 --> 1:11:09 about the use of pcr test as you know but it was pushed to a limit so this but this is pcr positivity 537 1:11:12 --> 1:11:17 if you have it could you put in the chat the link to those graphs the the paper so i can have a read 538 1:11:17 --> 1:11:24 i need to look at this uh yeah if you can no absolutely i'm doing it straight away thank you 539 1:11:24 --> 1:11:31 and this is on my slides oh yes and the second thing is in regard to relative risk reduction 540 1:11:31 --> 1:11:40 versus absolute risk reduction and how and how this is used as a way of promoting vaccines 541 1:11:40 --> 1:11:45 when they have very low absolute risk reduction on a population basis 542 1:11:45 --> 1:11:49 um do you have anything any comment to make on on that subject 543 1:11:51 --> 1:11:57 i think uh again they are most likely absolutely on the same page here the 544 1:11:58 --> 1:12:10 absolute risk reduction was minute for absolute majority of population and in autumn 2020 545 1:12:10 --> 1:12:20 i was showing my students papers by professor ianidis ianidis who showed the 546 1:12:22 --> 1:12:29 you know risk for anyone under age of 70 below single digits right it's like the fraction of a 547 1:12:29 --> 1:12:37 percent and i remember showing it to my 20 years old biomedical science course students who were 548 1:12:38 --> 1:12:46 afraid of getting on a train because they were so petrified these young people were so petrified 549 1:12:46 --> 1:12:54 they were so you know that the whole atmosphere of fear uh was really enormous it was huge strain 550 1:12:54 --> 1:13:06 on their um young brains so that you know it was in 2020 this is a huge just sorry a huge subject 551 1:13:06 --> 1:13:11 i agree with everything you said this is a huge subject which has been pushed aside but the whole 552 1:13:11 --> 1:13:21 world of um vaccine development and the scientific world behind that seemed seemed to be blind to 553 1:13:21 --> 1:13:26 this distinction and from a doctor's viewpoint a clinical doctor this is the most important thing 554 1:13:26 --> 1:13:33 of all but they persist with this relative risk reduction numbers and it's disingenuous um it 555 1:13:33 --> 1:13:39 doesn't give people the right information um so i'm glad to hear that you agree it's 556 1:13:39 --> 1:13:47 disgraceful um i mean john ianidis spoke very strongly about this in the early 2020 um and we 557 1:13:47 --> 1:13:52 had the numbers for the diamond princess in february 2020 i mean all of this should not 558 1:13:52 --> 1:14:01 have happened um so i think this relative risk reduction absolute risk reduction issue is huge 559 1:14:01 --> 1:14:07 and needs to be brought to the attention of of the scientific community because they seem blind 560 1:14:07 --> 1:14:14 to it they're not the militians they don't think in terms of population basis i don't think so uh 561 1:14:14 --> 1:14:19 thank you for commenting and i just see that you put that paper up oh thank you i'll look at the 562 1:14:19 --> 1:14:24 paper all right very much thank you jerry tanya what is your yes just gonna pick what i wanted 563 1:14:25 --> 1:14:31 you can you have the last question steven um tanya did you put your website you mentioned your 564 1:14:31 --> 1:14:39 website did you put your website link into the chat yet no i don't have a website sorry if i if 565 1:14:40 --> 1:14:49 i said but i i can absolutely email my slides to you or to steven if there is a way for you to 566 1:14:49 --> 1:14:53 circulate it if you email that we can share that we can share that with people beautiful all right 567 1:14:53 --> 1:14:59 steven last questions to you and then we'll let tanya go thank you so tanya i hope you will forgive 568 1:14:59 --> 1:15:09 me for being excited um and i'm sorry charles for criticizing your moderation but uh i am absolutely 569 1:15:09 --> 1:15:16 outraged by what has happened in my country and and this is what happens when scientists think 570 1:15:16 --> 1:15:22 that they can practice medicine so i think that doctors all around the world every doctor in the 571 1:15:22 --> 1:15:29 world should have known that there was no medical justification for any of the measures taken in a 572 1:15:29 --> 1:15:37 purported pandemic which was not a pandemic furthermore the diagnosis of covet 19 was not 573 1:15:37 --> 1:15:44 appropriate appropriately arrived at it was flawed in my opinion there is a real possibility 574 1:15:44 --> 1:15:50 that there was no disease called covet 19 so what was it that the british population the british 575 1:15:50 --> 1:15:57 20 year olds that students you were taught teaching to why were they psychologically tortured 576 1:15:57 --> 1:16:05 by the british government ruthlessly ruthlessly why was that i know you can't answer but all i'm 577 1:16:05 --> 1:16:11 trying to say tanya is that we have been working on this for the last four years many of us here 578 1:16:12 --> 1:16:20 and so um when people come on and they say and not don't want to say that this is criminal 579 1:16:20 --> 1:16:26 of course it's criminal of course it's criminal it was happening all over the world at the same time 580 1:16:26 --> 1:16:35 it was clearly planned so furthermore uh just to explain the diagnostic bit the pcr test we knew 581 1:16:35 --> 1:16:41 from kerry mullis who unfortunately died in august 2019 we need to find out how he died 582 1:16:42 --> 1:16:48 um he said that the pcr test the technique sorry for which he won the Nobel prize 583 1:16:48 --> 1:16:56 in chemistry in 1993 for his discovery of the pcr technique in sorry uh yes development of that 584 1:16:56 --> 1:17:07 technique in 1983 by him he said that his technique should never be used as a diagnostic test for a 585 1:17:07 --> 1:17:14 viral illness but that's if you believe in viruses and then next thing he's dead uh he was dead in 586 1:17:14 --> 1:17:24 august 2019 had he been alive this could not have proceeded so the whole thing was a fabricate a 587 1:17:24 --> 1:17:30 tissue of lies from beginning to end and they psychologically tortured especially the british 588 1:17:30 --> 1:17:38 population um with the the uh the nudge group you know the nudge group into a state of stockholm 589 1:17:38 --> 1:17:45 syndrome in my opinion as a doctor and so it's unforgivable and then you the the the astrazeneca 590 1:17:45 --> 1:17:52 we listened to you talking your presentation it was clear to me that the real reason for the for 591 1:17:52 --> 1:18:01 the british government to say in april 2021 no one under 30 should be offered this vaccination 592 1:18:01 --> 1:18:10 in inverted commas and then in may 2021 no one under 40 it was clear that the real reason for that 593 1:18:11 --> 1:18:17 was not about whether they were less at risk it was they knew then that it was dangerous and what 594 1:18:17 --> 1:18:22 did they do they thought oh we must get rid of this stock because otherwise we'll be criticized 595 1:18:22 --> 1:18:30 by the british public or whatever and sell it to someone so they sold what was dangerous to a third 596 1:18:30 --> 1:18:37 world country that is outrageous that is the icing on the cake of this human hubris this story 597 1:18:37 --> 1:18:44 of human hubris i'm sorry that's that's all and thank you so much tanya for coming on i do think 598 1:18:44 --> 1:18:50 we should have if you're agreeable we would love to have you again to explore this with the doctors 599 1:18:50 --> 1:18:56 to talk about it because we need to be in a position that never again do medical doctors 600 1:18:56 --> 1:19:03 with medical ethics get circumvented and stopped from speaking out in a so-called medical emergency 601 1:19:03 --> 1:19:10 which was not a medical emergency in my opinion okay it's not your fault tanya i'm just very 602 1:19:10 --> 1:19:20 angry about it i'm sorry i i i appreciate uh it impacted many of us i appreciate the passion and 603 1:19:20 --> 1:19:29 pain which many people feel it just i think uh we are scientific well uh i speak for myself i am 604 1:19:29 --> 1:19:36 not a doctor i am scientist so the best i can do is to try to analyze the situation and data and 605 1:19:36 --> 1:19:43 try to influence what sort of conclusions are drawn and i think i'm not sorry sorry may i may i 606 1:19:43 --> 1:19:51 finish and i think it's not um and i uh and you might uh you know withdraw your invitation after 607 1:19:51 --> 1:19:58 i finish but i would i would like to finish by saying but i don't think it's particularly helpful 608 1:19:59 --> 1:20:08 to just go over the things which have been done to death in these circles you know for three years 609 1:20:08 --> 1:20:16 we are talking same talking points we have the brains we have the knowledge we have the ability 610 1:20:16 --> 1:20:25 to look at the data the best use of our time is by trying to provide some interpretation or ways of 611 1:20:26 --> 1:20:33 explaining it better or you know and i don't find it particularly useful to agree with you 612 1:20:33 --> 1:20:39 and i mean and claim what governments are criminal and yes it's not it's not gonna help 613 1:20:40 --> 1:20:49 it's not gonna help people need to be held to account all right because tanya has to go the last 614 1:20:49 --> 1:20:54 question i'm gonna ask tanya are you available tanya for those around the world 615 1:20:54 --> 1:20:58 who may wish to use your expertise in court cases 616 1:20:58 --> 1:21:06 this is tricky i i would love to say yes but i've already worked on 617 1:21:08 --> 1:21:15 expert testimonies and it's huge amount of time and i just don't want to commit to something i 618 1:21:15 --> 1:21:26 won't be able to deliver but depending on a case but we've written an expert testimony with dr 619 1:21:26 --> 1:21:35 expert testimony with dr claire craig who i'm know i'm sure you all know she must have been in 620 1:21:35 --> 1:21:45 this room on on many occasions so that's the answer is i would love to help where i because i think 621 1:21:45 --> 1:21:55 steven but uh court cases like the one in the uk where the climate claims that astrazeneca vaccine 622 1:21:55 --> 1:22:04 was defective and that's why the waiver of liability provided by government does not apply 623 1:22:05 --> 1:22:12 because it was provided on a basis what vaccine is as described and they are claiming what vaccine 624 1:22:12 --> 1:22:21 is defective and i think this is uh this is something what in my opinion worth pursuing 625 1:22:21 --> 1:22:28 like looking into why we think it was defective uh was it because there was a stereotype which 626 1:22:28 --> 1:22:34 was particularly dangerous to humans and humans have never been exposed to it and clinical trial 627 1:22:34 --> 1:22:41 did not pick it up so at the end yes it ended up being defective so this is where i think i would 628 1:22:41 --> 1:22:49 be really happy to try and contribute wonderful tanya that's very that's very helpful and lastly 629 1:22:49 --> 1:22:56 when i started university many many years ago tanya i fell in love with a ukrainian librarian 630 1:22:56 --> 1:23:04 at the law school her name her name was krisko ending in ko and my name started with ko so there 631 1:23:04 --> 1:23:09 i was so having this ukrainian influence all through my adult life so lovely to be with you 632 1:23:09 --> 1:23:14 steven thank you for organizing tanya we would love to have you back because we like to have 633 1:23:14 --> 1:23:20 vigorous debates here and and um thank you so much and thank you for giving us extra half hour 634 1:23:20 --> 1:23:27 and say thank you to your children for us as well thank you thank you thank you thank you for all 635 1:23:27 --> 1:23:32 you do thank you for your stamina and your persistence and people in different time zones 636 1:23:32 --> 1:23:38 i admire you thank you very much okay bye thank you thank you thank you tanya 637 1:23:38 --> 1:23:50 all right um so my so we'll leave the recording on now because tanya has gone so we can have 638 1:23:50 --> 1:23:56 put your hand up for commentary and if you want me to pause the recording because you don't want 639 1:23:57 --> 1:24:01 this to be shown in the recording just say pause the recording if you want to talk about something 640 1:24:01 --> 1:24:08 that might be sensitive uh jerome i spoke to ian plimert last night i was with him last night and 641 1:24:08 --> 1:24:15 i've linked you two together so so i i expect you to to do some pretty clever stuff and for those 642 1:24:15 --> 1:24:22 of you who weren't on the call on on sunday night uh jerome coursey and i have both got this wonderful 643 1:24:22 --> 1:24:31 book about the fraud of climate emergency green murder by where's your book jaron there it is you 644 1:24:31 --> 1:24:39 see this is a wonderful wonderful book on the fraud of climate emergency so um it's it's a 645 1:24:39 --> 1:24:45 great book and i i got your email it's been a busy day but i was just in the process of responding 646 1:24:45 --> 1:24:50 when i thought well that the that's why i decided to come on do they remember you were meeting so i 647 1:24:50 --> 1:24:56 was just responding to you when i came on this came on the zoom i will respond later today and 648 1:24:56 --> 1:25:00 i'm very anxious to get to meet him and to start working with him it would be great 649 1:25:01 --> 1:25:07 he's brilliant his work is just brilliant he is it is indeed so so the mainstream media of course 650 1:25:07 --> 1:25:13 in australia has silenced ian plimer because he dares to question the climate emergency 651 1:25:14 --> 1:25:21 well the uh the you know just to do one sentence from him it's the whole book is 652 1:25:22 --> 1:25:30 so magnificent in terms of uh you know debunking this climate scare said if activism achieves its 653 1:25:30 --> 1:25:35 aims the third world will remain in poverty western countries will become impoverished 654 1:25:35 --> 1:25:40 and even more reliant on china which uses climate change as a weapon against the west 655 1:25:41 --> 1:25:46 and uh he just goes on from there many green leaders have an unhealthy obsession with death 656 1:25:46 --> 1:25:51 killing catastrophes totalitarianism and restrictions of freedom and i've said it's a 657 1:25:52 --> 1:25:58 depopulationist movement it's neo-marxist at its core and i'm delighted to be connected with him 658 1:25:58 --> 1:26:04 thank you very much excellent thank you jaron all right so so thank you jaron that's excellent now 659 1:26:05 --> 1:26:11 all of us um hands up and we'll as i say if you want to pause the recording please say 660 1:26:12 --> 1:26:19 um steven no just leave it running chance and then we can always cut it out the q a afterwards 661 1:26:19 --> 1:26:29 yeah all right jerry first then simon i just wanted to revisit um steven's point that doctors 662 1:26:29 --> 1:26:36 don't practice science and so i said that because doctor yeah exactly i agree with you jerry sorry 663 1:26:37 --> 1:26:42 i'm changing it a little bit so doctors don't practice science and scientists don't practice 664 1:26:42 --> 1:26:50 medicine this is really important we haven't become infected as a community as a society 665 1:26:50 --> 1:26:57 into thinking that scientism is science and we've also become infected with the idea that medicine 666 1:26:57 --> 1:27:06 makes all its decisions based upon science it doesn't it cannot do that and i always give the 667 1:27:06 --> 1:27:13 best example of many surgical techniques almost all surgical techniques have not been subjected 668 1:27:13 --> 1:27:20 to any scientific examination there are no clinical double blind trials you don't run a 669 1:27:20 --> 1:27:24 surgical procedure with a blind surgeon compared to a surgeon procedure who has who has vision 670 1:27:26 --> 1:27:33 you don't uh you don't uh look at not treating people with severe surgically correctable 671 1:27:33 --> 1:27:42 conditions we we practice medicine very very pragmatically when we confronted with the threat 672 1:27:42 --> 1:27:50 of many many many conditions you can't run clinical trials against the vast amount of 673 1:27:50 --> 1:27:57 medical practice you just can't do it we are practitioners of medicine and we're very similar 674 1:27:57 --> 1:28:04 to a carpenter so when a carpenter is a building a house he's been taught from his trade how to 675 1:28:04 --> 1:28:09 build a house when he comes to build a certain piece of the house he doesn't go off and consult 676 1:28:09 --> 1:28:15 a whole lot of clinical trials about building the corner of the house in this way versus that way 677 1:28:15 --> 1:28:22 and no no he just thinks i'll try it this way and oh it looks good and it works well and the 678 1:28:22 --> 1:28:28 profession of carpentry has always done it this way for hundreds of years this is very similar 679 1:28:28 --> 1:28:36 to medicine and what in medicine in medicine we have the added extra we have to do what we do 680 1:28:36 --> 1:28:42 ethically the ethics in carpentry there's no great consideration of ethics to build a corner of a 681 1:28:42 --> 1:28:51 house but in medicine everything we do is ethically constrained we have to always consider that we are 682 1:28:52 --> 1:28:57 far more ethically constrained than we are scientifically constrained people have to 683 1:28:57 --> 1:29:04 understand that okay so this confusion now has been i think deliberate to destroy 684 1:29:05 --> 1:29:08 faith in the medical profession and it's been very very successful 685 1:29:11 --> 1:29:16 any comments on that from anyone jerry you're absolutely right on i wish i could say it so 686 1:29:16 --> 1:29:24 calmly myself but as i can imagine that you felt exactly as i did listening to that tanya is a very 687 1:29:24 --> 1:29:32 good uh very very nice person but it's very difficult to listen to a scientist who doesn't 688 1:29:32 --> 1:29:37 understand the practice of medicine when we've just gone through a pandemic which was not a pandemic 689 1:29:38 --> 1:29:43 and people have been psychologically tortured all over the world i think she does understand it but 690 1:29:43 --> 1:29:47 she wants to stay in her lane of being a scientist which i think is good i think it's very important 691 1:29:47 --> 1:29:52 for her to stay in her lane and be the scientist and not and not to extend that into the world of 692 1:29:53 --> 1:29:59 of the population where where we work or we i used to work with you used to work we used to 693 1:29:59 --> 1:30:04 work with the whole population we don't work with a small group who turn up we will we we have to 694 1:30:04 --> 1:30:09 look after the whole population everything we do has to be ethically constrained in terms of 695 1:30:10 --> 1:30:15 anyone who can walk into our office and we're thinking of the entire population all the time 696 1:30:16 --> 1:30:21 we can't run so we can't run experiments on our patients although sometimes we have to 697 1:30:22 --> 1:30:27 but generally speaking we avoid experimenting on our patients we don't do that so therefore we're 698 1:30:27 --> 1:30:34 not scientists by definition we're not using experimentation okay so uh this is very important 699 1:30:34 --> 1:30:43 to discuss because if you destroy the medical profession um you destroy the group that our 700 1:30:43 --> 1:30:50 society goes to when they're suffering serious conditions illness ill health and death and 701 1:30:51 --> 1:30:57 you're really destroying your society when you do that so i'm a great supporter of the of the 702 1:30:57 --> 1:31:01 medical profession but they've also lost their way in all of this they've been misled they've 703 1:31:01 --> 1:31:07 lost their way i'm very disappointed in my profession now very uh but i'm nearly 20 years 704 1:31:07 --> 1:31:12 out of it of course retired 20 almost 20 years ago but these these important these are very 705 1:31:12 --> 1:31:18 important things we can't maintain a civil society uh if this continues we have to have these 706 1:31:18 --> 1:31:23 discussions and they have to be public we have to publicly discuss these jerome i think could 707 1:31:23 --> 1:31:30 contribute publicly to this discussion um but i'll i'll that's i just very i remember you saying to 708 1:31:30 --> 1:31:38 me i said remember you saying to me in 2021 i think it was in those dark days you said one thing 709 1:31:38 --> 1:31:45 i can do um i can't remember the exact words but one thing i can do is talk to people and i knew 710 1:31:45 --> 1:31:50 exactly what you meant because that goes to the very heart of the practice of medicine you have 711 1:31:50 --> 1:31:56 to get a good history and people who have not been to medical school do not understand the importance 712 1:31:56 --> 1:32:03 of a of a good medical history it's absolutely vital you cannot get a good medical history if 713 1:32:03 --> 1:32:08 you can't talk to the patient and yes there are some people in medical school who should never 714 1:32:08 --> 1:32:15 got in but uh hopefully but mind you having looking around in the uk over the last four years i do 715 1:32:15 --> 1:32:22 wonder how how it is that uh there are so few uh real doctors around because goodness knows what 716 1:32:22 --> 1:32:28 they were thinking about with no informed consent for any of these injections um nobody knew what 717 1:32:28 --> 1:32:33 was in the injection so it was impossible for any doctor to obtain informed consent i agree steven 718 1:32:33 --> 1:32:39 the whole three years has been absolutely disgraceful in terms of the behavior of the 719 1:32:39 --> 1:32:46 medical profession the leadership has been uh absolutely disgraceful terrible i'm just so 720 1:32:46 --> 1:32:52 disappointed in what's happened and we've had chief health officers say things which are just 721 1:32:52 --> 1:32:58 completely anathema to what it means to be a doctor and they've never came out and explained risk 722 1:32:59 --> 1:33:05 to people uh informed them fully no nothing i can't believe what's happened it's uh clearly 723 1:33:07 --> 1:33:13 clearly constructed to destroy our whole civil society not just the profession but the whole 724 1:33:13 --> 1:33:19 of civil society here i think is at risk yes so if they've got no doctors to go to then people 725 1:33:19 --> 1:33:24 will be really consumed by fear no doctors they can trust correct and even i'm dealing with myself 726 1:33:26 --> 1:33:29 i'm dealing with that problem every day now steven i'm having people contact me 727 1:33:30 --> 1:33:36 who and tell me stories about what's happened in consulting rooms i am just staggered staggered i 728 1:33:36 --> 1:33:42 am rendered speechless when these people call me and tell me what has happened to them doctors 729 1:33:42 --> 1:33:49 treating them like as if if they're idiots i mean it's just horrible what's going on it can't 730 1:33:49 --> 1:33:57 continue we have to open up that discussion this discussion of you know where is the trust 731 1:33:58 --> 1:34:03 in our medical profession if we don't have that we have no civil society and um we've now got 732 1:34:03 --> 1:34:10 free speech under attack we've got freedom of medical autonomy under attack um our whole civil 733 1:34:10 --> 1:34:18 society is crumbling around us right now we have to fight every day to preserve it every day yeah 734 1:34:18 --> 1:34:26 absolutely jerry i'll wait so anymore yeah sorry jerry i'll just say this that um i've always felt 735 1:34:26 --> 1:34:34 that you um uh you you seem to have had a similar training to me and i would be very happy to be one 736 1:34:34 --> 1:34:40 of your patients i've always thought you're a wonderful talker and very wise and thoughtful 737 1:34:41 --> 1:34:45 and these are the qualities which a doctor should have it's good judgment more than anything else 738 1:34:45 --> 1:34:51 applying the knowledge which you've been given at medical school um and questioning some of that 739 1:34:51 --> 1:34:57 knowledge maybe especially after the last four years but but actually um it's it's no use having 740 1:34:57 --> 1:35:03 the knowledge if you're not able to apply the knowledge in an ethical way and of course they 741 1:35:03 --> 1:35:09 can't do it ethically because they've got evidence-based medicine which creates a kind 742 1:35:09 --> 1:35:16 of monstrosity a monster uh of its own which actually ignores medical ethics you know because 743 1:35:16 --> 1:35:24 every doctor has to do the same thing which is ridiculous if i can comments excellent comments 744 1:35:24 --> 1:35:29 if i comment just quickly and jerry i did get your email and greatly appreciated it i've responded 745 1:35:30 --> 1:35:38 um in the united states the fifth district uh court of appeals just rendered a decision on the 746 1:35:38 --> 1:35:46 fda the fda had um really trying to prohibit the uh prescription of hydroxychloroquine for covid 747 1:35:47 --> 1:35:52 because they wanted to favor the more expensive vaccines and it didn't want this simple remedy 748 1:35:53 --> 1:35:59 what the district with the circuit court said was that the fda had overstepped its responsibilities 749 1:35:59 --> 1:36:04 and it's an authorization because it was not in the business of telling doctors what they could 750 1:36:04 --> 1:36:10 or could not do but the and they specifically said it was aimed at eliminating off-label 751 1:36:10 --> 1:36:17 prescriptions in other words the doctor has the ability to take any fda approved drug and apply it 752 1:36:17 --> 1:36:22 to any patient for any particular need that the doctor thinks is appropriate now that's the way 753 1:36:22 --> 1:36:28 medicine should be practiced it's in line with your completely correct comments that medicine 754 1:36:28 --> 1:36:34 is a practice of medicine and requires the judgment and experience of the physician as well 755 1:36:34 --> 1:36:42 as the honesty and the history of the patient but it is a judgment call it is a in part intuitive 756 1:36:42 --> 1:36:47 determination of what needs to be done what the government wants to do is to make it strictly 757 1:36:47 --> 1:36:53 rule driven it can only prescribe what the computer tells you to prescribe in which case we do not 758 1:36:53 --> 1:36:59 need physicians a machine could do this and in fact i think the entire dehumanization 759 1:37:00 --> 1:37:07 of medicine is pivotal on this point and we need to go back to you know the physicians who knew 760 1:37:07 --> 1:37:13 your who knew your mother and father who knew your grandparents and could take one look at you and 761 1:37:13 --> 1:37:20 have a good idea where you were and we need to return with the technology we have we should be 762 1:37:20 --> 1:37:26 able to allow people to access physicians from wherever they are and have continuity with them 763 1:37:27 --> 1:37:35 and this should be returned to the the doctor in charge of medical practice not the government 764 1:37:35 --> 1:37:42 and i i think this entire discussion is appropriate and very important i think it's the crux of the 765 1:37:42 --> 1:37:49 totalitarianism we're battling every day so i thank you for those comments jerry it is and 766 1:37:49 --> 1:37:55 you just mentioned transhumanism it's all linked to transhumanism and then ultimately to technocracy 767 1:37:56 --> 1:38:02 technocratic transhumanism is at the very core of this and i want you all everybody on this call 768 1:38:03 --> 1:38:10 to go and research a company called technocracy incorporated look at its origins and look very 769 1:38:10 --> 1:38:20 carefully at what happened in canada i won't say any more that was in 1931 to 1933 and the influence 770 1:38:20 --> 1:38:29 of technocracy incorporated upon the world of nazi germany at the time this is that this is the 771 1:38:29 --> 1:38:36 beginnings of what we're dealing with now is the idea that humans can be regarded as nothing but 772 1:38:36 --> 1:38:45 machines disposable machines that's what we're dealing with technocracy linked to transhumanism 773 1:38:46 --> 1:38:53 linked to the whole movement of eugenics so we're dealing with this all now it's a hundred years old 774 1:38:53 --> 1:39:02 the battle is a the battle is a hundred years old i agree with you jerry sorry i've taken too much 775 1:39:02 --> 1:39:09 time i'm sorry no it's very important that you say what you've been saying and please stay with 776 1:39:09 --> 1:39:16 us no it's a i think it's a i think it's a good conversation because it's it's really bringing 777 1:39:16 --> 1:39:21 these different threads together in the chats the comment is made and many of us have said 778 1:39:21 --> 1:39:25 evidence-based medicine and protocol-based medicine and what jerome you just said 779 1:39:26 --> 1:39:32 it is a disaster it's clearly a disaster and we've also steven you know you've you've said this this 780 1:39:32 --> 1:39:40 requires as jerome said the practice it's an art as well as scientific elements of it and the game 781 1:39:40 --> 1:39:45 plan i think a number of people have said in this group the game plan is to get rid of doctors out 782 1:39:45 --> 1:39:52 of the equation so it's all driven by ai guys you are becoming irrelevant the robots will do the 783 1:39:52 --> 1:40:00 operations and steven you know the ai will do the diagnosis or based on protocols but charles the 784 1:40:00 --> 1:40:07 the people don't and don't believe the ai so they will miss their doctors because they do want they 785 1:40:07 --> 1:40:14 do want to believe that there are people they can rely on and those people have been undermined and 786 1:40:14 --> 1:40:19 it's evil what they're doing because what they're trying to do is to generate more fear so so you 787 1:40:19 --> 1:40:24 know so people are literally on their own now when they're ill because they don't know which 788 1:40:24 --> 1:40:29 doctor to go and see who they can trust the first question i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna 789 1:40:29 --> 1:40:38 scotland to see karen steven yeah i didn't know karen was a doctor sorry karen 790 1:40:38 --> 1:40:43 i have 791 1:40:50 --> 1:40:52 that's what i specialize in i'm not a doctor 792 1:40:55 --> 1:41:00 there you are charles i'm also a college lecturer so i have two degrees in education as well 793 1:41:01 --> 1:41:07 oh sorry i thought that charles thought you were a medical doctor i see he realized you weren't yeah 794 1:41:07 --> 1:41:13 well i think that was your but charles it was because we all need to be careful you know when 795 1:41:13 --> 1:41:20 you're ill you really need someone you feel you can trust anyway and and you know all these people 796 1:41:20 --> 1:41:27 dancing on the graves of doctors and the medical profession you know um they might regret dancing 797 1:41:27 --> 1:41:31 on those graves uh shortly um when they realize that they're all on their own 798 1:41:31 --> 1:41:36 i would like to say that there are lots of good people practicing medicine but after the last four 799 1:41:36 --> 1:41:38 years i'm not so sure in the uk anyway 800 1:41:41 --> 1:41:46 and in the u.s for that matter from my knowledge of what's going on in america 801 1:41:47 --> 1:41:53 well in united states attempt what's going on is pushing the doctors into hospital practice or 802 1:41:53 --> 1:42:01 medical group practice large medical group practice and they're not doing anything 803 1:42:02 --> 1:42:08 where they're situated in front of a computer and told what they can do that's very bad they 804 1:42:08 --> 1:42:13 shouldn't be talking syndrome they should not be sorry i agree i agree what they do is they 805 1:42:14 --> 1:42:19 they send you off to do a variety of tests largely blood work they read that into the 806 1:42:19 --> 1:42:24 computer and then the examination is that they look in front of the computer and read the numbers 807 1:42:25 --> 1:42:31 and try to prescribe how ridiculous you know medications at the end they might uh take out a 808 1:42:31 --> 1:42:35 stethoscope and see if your heart is beating but that's at the end not at the beginning 809 1:42:36 --> 1:42:40 and the doctor might not even actually look at you the entire thing can take five to ten minutes 810 1:42:40 --> 1:42:46 and you're gone you're just a number and uh it could be done by a machine well it it is what 811 1:42:46 --> 1:42:54 we're talking about these you know the the final point of all out of this which is very anti-human 812 1:42:54 --> 1:43:01 has no regard for human beings as individuals or looks at us all as useless essentially for 813 1:43:01 --> 1:43:06 except for the oligarchs who want to have all of everything to themselves with their machines 814 1:43:06 --> 1:43:13 merged with their machines and um you know the climate movement i often say we we exhale 815 1:43:14 --> 1:43:19 carbon dioxide so they want to look at us as the blight on the earth human beings and the best 816 1:43:19 --> 1:43:23 thing we could do for them to just commit suicide and save everybody all the trouble 817 1:43:24 --> 1:43:30 but if we don't insist upon committing suicide then we get read to a machine what we can and 818 1:43:30 --> 1:43:35 all the personal touch all the intuition you know all the ability of a doctor to 819 1:43:36 --> 1:43:42 begin the healing process simply by talking to a person that's when the healing process begins 820 1:43:43 --> 1:43:50 when the human contact is made and the and the healing process is as much an intuitive process 821 1:43:50 --> 1:43:58 of understanding the person and and using your creative creative powers to figure out what you 822 1:43:58 --> 1:44:04 might best do because this is not something that's like a mathematical equation that you 823 1:44:04 --> 1:44:10 can enter the variables and machine can tell you the calculation results because the variables all 824 1:44:10 --> 1:44:19 require um very difficult subjective judgment it has to be experientially based it has to involve 825 1:44:19 --> 1:44:25 knowing the person and caring about the person if medicine lacks this element we will lose a 826 1:44:25 --> 1:44:32 fundamental part of who we are as human beings i often point out that jesus christ began his mission 827 1:44:33 --> 1:44:38 by healing people and many of the people who came to see him were not coming for spiritual 828 1:44:39 --> 1:44:45 guidance they were coming to get better the fundamental human need is to be healthy 829 1:44:46 --> 1:44:52 and if we don't have a a doctor's trained doctors that are capable of practicing medicine 830 1:44:53 --> 1:45:01 that are truly driven by their own intelligence and experience we will let this to the government 831 1:45:01 --> 1:45:08 the end result will be transhumanism and it will be what they want which is depopulation and it's 832 1:45:08 --> 1:45:13 tough to get your mind around that the many of the actions governments are taking today are 833 1:45:13 --> 1:45:19 intentionally designed to destroy that's neo-marxism that's going on is is understood to be 834 1:45:20 --> 1:45:26 a malware for the brain and once it infects people it will end up in destruction and anarchy 835 1:45:26 --> 1:45:32 that's why it's being propagated and those are hard concepts to believe that our government 836 1:45:35 --> 1:45:40 it recently came to light that in 1970s henry kissinger signed a national security memorandum 837 1:45:40 --> 1:45:46 200 and made depopulation the official national security policy of the united states government 838 1:45:46 --> 1:45:54 that document just recently came to light so we've had since the 1970s a depopulationist 839 1:45:54 --> 1:46:01 agenda behind much of what the intelligence agencies have been doing so again these things 840 1:46:01 --> 1:46:07 have to be fought and we're at we have to be at the front lines of fighting this co-vid made it 841 1:46:07 --> 1:46:14 clear that they were willing to go very far to produce untested vaccines that were reasonably 842 1:46:14 --> 1:46:20 known immediately to have adverse effects especially on heart conditions and other 843 1:46:21 --> 1:46:29 age problems but specific very detrimental to women in pregnancy and yet they were administered 844 1:46:29 --> 1:46:36 on a mass scale and people told that if you did not take the vaccine you were going to be damaging 845 1:46:36 --> 1:46:42 society because you were going to be infecting others when the vaccine had no proof of actually 846 1:46:42 --> 1:46:50 preventing the disease and the whole purpose was to take a bad flu lock down the world and infect 847 1:46:50 --> 1:46:56 them with dangerous agents that would potentially kill millions of people now we've got to realize 848 1:46:56 --> 1:47:02 that that's what they intended to do that was not accidental and that's the hard part of the 849 1:47:02 --> 1:47:11 realization that we are fighting a fundamental evil agenda that is deeply committed to destroying 850 1:47:12 --> 1:47:18 humanity except for a very few who will be allowed to merge with their machines and control the 851 1:47:18 --> 1:47:23 resources of the earth and then extend their lives i mean the three elements here transhumanism 852 1:47:23 --> 1:47:29 artificial intelligence and perpetual life extinction those are the goals and it is absolutely 853 1:47:29 --> 1:47:39 anti-god and it is fundamentally evil but it is in control of many of the governments of the world 854 1:47:39 --> 1:47:45 goes along with censorship you can't speak out against it cancel culture we're in a very 855 1:47:45 --> 1:47:52 dystopian period of time and it's essential that we fight back on it i'm writing i think the only 856 1:47:53 --> 1:48:01 antidote is truth it's the only antidote and our goal has got to be to bring forward the truth 857 1:48:02 --> 1:48:04 regardless of the consequences 858 1:48:07 --> 1:48:10 great speech jerome thank you 859 1:48:16 --> 1:48:20 oh i'm sorry who's my so simon go ahead i didn't realize 860 1:48:23 --> 1:48:29 thank you steven i was just i was just thinking about i've missed a large part of all these 861 1:48:29 --> 1:48:35 fantastic meetings here when i was in belgium and they were a bit too late oh no i think it 862 1:48:35 --> 1:48:38 was in the winter in australia yeah when it was four o'clock or five o'clock in the morning 863 1:48:39 --> 1:48:45 but coming back to it i think a lot of the things that actually always stay the same is i mean i 864 1:48:45 --> 1:48:49 could say you know i'm a science doctor and i did over 50 projects for the medical companies in 865 1:48:49 --> 1:48:54 belgium including pfizer and and and jansen's and so on even on the on the vaccine stability 866 1:48:54 --> 1:48:58 but it really doesn't matter where i come from and what my background is i think we spend so much 867 1:48:58 --> 1:49:06 time in in i wouldn't say patronizing but kind of defending our corner in this group of what we 868 1:49:06 --> 1:49:10 believe and what we don't believe i think there's enough that we have in common that we believe is 869 1:49:10 --> 1:49:16 wrong and that we have to communicate somehow to the rest of the of the people without things which 870 1:49:16 --> 1:49:22 really don't matter i think to other uh to the to the general public i mean i think the talk of 871 1:49:22 --> 1:49:28 today was really nice that she said you know i agree on saying it's called a toxin whatever it is 872 1:49:28 --> 1:49:32 you want to call it a virus fine we don't want to call it vice fine there's been damage done and 873 1:49:32 --> 1:49:37 that we can report and we agree on the damage that has been done in the same way a lot of the a lot 874 1:49:37 --> 1:49:42 of the things are where it comes from and who is is guilty and so on it's important maybe for us to 875 1:49:42 --> 1:49:47 have some discussions on friday night or buy the barbecue but it's not going to change the actual 876 1:49:47 --> 1:49:52 communication that we have to do and i think there we have a responsibility to find new ways just 877 1:49:52 --> 1:49:57 like she said today to communicate to the large public to see if we can make changes 878 1:49:58 --> 1:50:05 and help people to realize they should help us stop this whole bigger picture so i don't know how 879 1:50:05 --> 1:50:11 to go ahead with it but i think it's really a thought to see how we can have a different way 880 1:50:11 --> 1:50:17 to communicate what is mainly almost 80 percent the same in the last three years that we've been 881 1:50:17 --> 1:50:28 discussing here it's always been about absolute versus uh absolute versus uh real uh protection 882 1:50:28 --> 1:50:35 or it has been about it is it toxic or not or is it genetic or not uh how can we actually group 883 1:50:35 --> 1:50:41 together and and find a way to to make new ways to communicate and have results and measure the 884 1:50:41 --> 1:50:47 results that we we actually uh bring awareness to the people that something is going on i think 885 1:50:49 --> 1:50:55 so in answers i think a lot of people have found it very complex uh all the things all the parallel 886 1:50:55 --> 1:51:04 things which are going on and it's only now that i for one um i'm beginning to uh able to sit back 887 1:51:04 --> 1:51:10 and look at the whole and think about what it is that we need to transmit and how we transmit it 888 1:51:10 --> 1:51:13 so that's how i would answer it but i don't know how other people would answer that 889 1:51:14 --> 1:51:25 so through this group we've we've had the chance to develop a deep understanding of what's going 890 1:51:25 --> 1:51:32 going but you could criticize the group because in a way we've had too much information and so 891 1:51:32 --> 1:51:36 there's been a heck of a lot of information to digest and then kind of think about and 892 1:51:37 --> 1:51:43 and uh decide what it is that we think each of us thinks is most important and so i've had 893 1:51:44 --> 1:51:49 i said long ago that we need to tell the people what's gone on but it's only now i'm beginning 894 1:51:49 --> 1:51:55 to think i could actually sit down and write one side of a4 which would resonate with at least the 895 1:51:55 --> 1:52:03 british population yeah great great it's fantastic i have a group so fantastic it could be an 896 1:52:03 --> 1:52:07 interesting thing to have somebody speak about how to actually promote the message like that 897 1:52:07 --> 1:52:12 or how to have the most results and so i think we all have to i mean you could all well exactly 898 1:52:12 --> 1:52:19 so i don't know who is good at that the problem is um so people like uh um what's the name 899 1:52:20 --> 1:52:28 kui David Charalambas JJ Cooey but he um and there are others as well uh Jerome is very 900 1:52:28 --> 1:52:34 important because he can put it all together uh he's thinking big picture there are others like um 901 1:52:34 --> 1:52:42 James uh what's his name the the uh Planet Lockdown Guide James Patrick um and then 902 1:52:42 --> 1:52:48 Mats Palswig uh Lars Johansson there are just loads of these people that we need to kind of 903 1:52:48 --> 1:52:58 get together and have a i don't know what we do um yes if we're all in different places literally 904 1:52:58 --> 1:53:04 but also we're in different places as far as our understanding goes and what we're interested in and 905 1:53:05 --> 1:53:10 what we need is it's maybe 10 people who are who are very interested in everything the big picture 906 1:53:11 --> 1:53:16 and then thrashing it out what it is we need to get out which would be most effective in waking up 907 1:53:17 --> 1:53:24 uh populations around the world what do you say Jerome well i think that's a good idea i think um 908 1:53:24 --> 1:53:30 you know it we have to the the key is for me has always been able to take these complex ideas and 909 1:53:30 --> 1:53:35 try to put them in a format where the average person can understand them and sometimes it's 910 1:53:36 --> 1:53:43 difficult when the material is scientific but uh again the concepts are explained and the importance 911 1:53:43 --> 1:53:51 of the concepts are explained most people will get it uh so i've you know i've had i've spent 912 1:53:51 --> 1:53:57 much of my life figuring out how to communicate things and it's been uh you know in a sense 913 1:53:58 --> 1:54:04 it's trying to get an idea down to what are the most important points that are going to impact 914 1:54:04 --> 1:54:11 people i like professor plimmer's work because he really has a focus on this climate he's saying 915 1:54:11 --> 1:54:15 this is a destructive detrimental agenda that is based on false science 916 1:54:16 --> 1:54:22 when i was in graduate school at harvard i one of my thesis advisors was arthur southerland jr who 917 1:54:22 --> 1:54:29 was the historian of harvard law school and he um had been a clerk to oliver wendell holmes well i'd 918 1:54:29 --> 1:54:34 written a draft of the thesis and i went in to see him i was probably 20 years old 919 1:54:34 --> 1:54:39 and um so well mr courseley i'm glad you only wrote the one side of the paper said well why 920 1:54:39 --> 1:54:44 is that he said well because then it's not a total waste you can turn it over and use the other side 921 1:54:45 --> 1:54:50 and so he said he would permit me to begin when he could come back and give him my thesis in one 922 1:54:50 --> 1:54:54 sentence and he was going to cape cod for the summer so i worked that entire summer and i 923 1:54:54 --> 1:55:00 came back with one sentence and he said now you can begin that was a very important exercise 924 1:55:01 --> 1:55:05 because it forced me to really figure out and the complexity of what i was thinking not only 925 1:55:06 --> 1:55:15 what i was trying to say but how i could express it down to a cogent thought that was powerful 926 1:55:15 --> 1:55:23 enough to make an impact and i've tried to do that with my writing ever since the point is 927 1:55:25 --> 1:55:31 it requires a great deal of ability to think through these issues and it requires the 928 1:55:31 --> 1:55:39 uh you know the there's um one of the things i've always admired in the ancient greek 929 1:55:39 --> 1:55:43 philosophy was when they talk about megasukhia which means great solidness 930 1:55:44 --> 1:55:48 and that is to think a human being can achieve a point where they're no longer 931 1:55:49 --> 1:55:55 self-interested and they're not interested in the general will which is this collectivism 932 1:55:55 --> 1:56:03 but they begin to realize that this is a spiritual experience and the sacredness of every human being 933 1:56:03 --> 1:56:09 now once you internalize those kinds of concepts you can begin to see how barbaric 934 1:56:09 --> 1:56:15 many of these government procedures are and how much we're lied to so i've i've spent the last 20 935 1:56:15 --> 1:56:21 years trying to convince people to show people the extent to which they're being lied to and 936 1:56:21 --> 1:56:26 they're living in a constructed reality that the intelligence agencies are constructing for their 937 1:56:26 --> 1:56:32 own destruction and we have at our ability with the technology that's been developed to 938 1:56:33 --> 1:56:38 live a thousand years in peace and it's it's absurd that we are spending this time 939 1:56:39 --> 1:56:45 enriching the pharmaceutical company to produce fraudulent dangerous drugs and we're enriching 940 1:56:45 --> 1:56:52 the arms industry perpetuate endless war for their own profit and we need to advance beyond this 941 1:56:53 --> 1:57:00 in order to get to a higher spiritual level which is nothing fundamentally different 942 1:57:00 --> 1:57:06 than it was 2 000 years ago so i think that you know these are the things i've the book i'm coming 943 1:57:06 --> 1:57:12 out with on the jf kennedy assassination i've spent all day working to get a small group 944 1:57:13 --> 1:57:18 together where we can tell the story to the american people and once i've gotten out five 945 1:57:19 --> 1:57:25 people who will we're going to go to the you know public it's very david mantick who did the 946 1:57:25 --> 1:57:31 optical density measurements douglas horn and two or three others michael cheser who confirmed the 947 1:57:31 --> 1:57:37 optical density measurements these are people of great courage because they are going to tell the 948 1:57:37 --> 1:57:42 truth and i think we've already made an impact because i'm seeing signs that the 949 1:57:43 --> 1:57:51 government is can no longer contain the lie they just allowed paramount to show a parkland doctors 950 1:57:51 --> 1:57:56 hospital that's up on the internet right now and it shows the parkland doctors for the first time 951 1:57:57 --> 1:58:02 filmed saying that jack kennedy when he came into the operating trauma room and parkland hospital 952 1:58:03 --> 1:58:09 obviously was shot from the front and they did not in that broadcast try to refute those doctors 953 1:58:09 --> 1:58:19 they let that narrative stand that's the truth and that it reflects to me that they know that the lie 954 1:58:19 --> 1:58:26 has been exposed and it is the the truth that is the only thing that we that is the only antidote 955 1:58:26 --> 1:58:32 against what we're dealing with today because we're living in a complete age of disinformation 956 1:58:33 --> 1:58:40 that's constructed to intentionally to cause us to fail as human beings 957 1:58:41 --> 1:58:46 to reduce the mass numbers of human beings in the face of the earth and put control in the hands of 958 1:58:46 --> 1:58:55 a few who believe they can perfect themselves into a uber mensch nician trans human state by 959 1:58:55 --> 1:59:03 merging with their machines and it's fundamentally evil so i think that you know excellent true 960 1:59:04 --> 1:59:11 it's complex question but i but my bottom line is this is not easy and it requires 961 1:59:11 --> 1:59:19 not only the skill to do it thinking through it to do it but also the courage to do it exactly 962 1:59:22 --> 1:59:28 so it's not easy i agree with you and and also jerome i think we've only got one chance to get 963 1:59:28 --> 1:59:36 this right otherwise if we don't get it right um bulletproof right then if we proved wrong later 964 1:59:37 --> 1:59:43 then we we we've lost trust as well so um and i think the message of that we should put out about 965 1:59:44 --> 1:59:49 john f kennedy is that look what the politicians have done they've lied to the american people and 966 1:59:49 --> 1:59:55 to the world about something that was so close to people's hearts for 60 years so what else have 967 1:59:55 --> 2:00:03 they lied to us about well covet 19 for a start and it was a massive government cover-up it was 968 2:00:03 --> 2:00:09 not it started in the pentagon at the heart of the pentagon kurtis lame and others who wanted 969 2:00:09 --> 2:00:15 to go to war with nuclear war with russia thought we could win a nuclear war it included the cia 970 2:00:16 --> 2:00:23 it co-opted the secret service they in turn got the justice department to stand down and they 971 2:00:23 --> 2:00:30 persuaded the media to cover a false story blaming lee harvey oswald so this was a 972 2:00:30 --> 2:00:38 the cover-up involved massive lying and techniques of suppressing the truth the doctors at parkland 973 2:00:38 --> 2:00:44 hospital were told that these were you know dr malcolm perry who did the tracheotomy was 974 2:00:44 --> 2:00:50 30 some years old he had young children just beginning his medical practice he was quite 975 2:00:50 --> 2:00:56 brilliant and the secret service and other agents the government told him that if he didn't go along 976 2:00:57 --> 2:01:03 that he had mistaken the frontal shots for they could well have been from the rear 977 2:01:03 --> 2:01:07 they would bring him forward before a medical board and he would lose his 978 2:01:07 --> 2:01:11 certification to practice medicine so he faced the end of his career 979 2:01:12 --> 2:01:17 at a young age having worked to get his medical degree and trying to support a family 980 2:01:18 --> 2:01:24 and they broke him psychologically that's that the they told me if i didn't take their plea deal 981 2:01:24 --> 2:01:32 in the muller examination i go before a jury in washington that would put me in convict me of all 982 2:01:32 --> 2:01:38 their counts and i'd be in prison the rest of my life well i finally told them i cannot stand before 983 2:01:38 --> 2:01:44 judge and swear before god and before judge to a lie just to keep myself out of prison so i guess 984 2:01:44 --> 2:01:50 you'll have to put me in prison the rest of my life and that's when they didn't indict me you 985 2:01:50 --> 2:01:59 know and that's again the fear that they can the the fear biblically the one of the admonitions 986 2:01:59 --> 2:02:05 throughout the bible is fear not and and that is very difficult because you will be facing with 987 2:02:06 --> 2:02:16 you know severe threats to go along with a lie and it requires i mean just one more comment i mean 988 2:02:16 --> 2:02:22 early on in the cove it there was a paper pre-publication where the virus 989 2:02:23 --> 2:02:30 coven virus had been all the gene analysis had been done of it i remember the paper distinctly 990 2:02:30 --> 2:02:37 and there were certain sequences of the genes that were obviously done in the laboratory 991 2:02:37 --> 2:02:45 and these were identified and they came in through the receptor that affected the heart and the lungs 992 2:02:46 --> 2:02:53 and it had been crafted in the laboratory and we came out with that and also we found papers 993 2:02:53 --> 2:03:01 that Fauci had done where he had supported chloroquine as a remedy to these SARS type 994 2:03:01 --> 2:03:06 viruses which was known it had been known for many years and the government suppressed it all well 995 2:03:06 --> 2:03:12 that's when i started working with dr zelenko we that's all gotten telemedicine we decided 996 2:03:12 --> 2:03:18 we would offer this and the department of justice examined the program and i've defended the program 997 2:03:18 --> 2:03:24 on the basis that the doctors had the ability to prescribe off label this was legitimate and we 998 2:03:24 --> 2:03:30 weren't telling them what to do doctors were in control of the medicine and again they they let 999 2:03:30 --> 2:03:36 the program run they threatened to bring me before congress and expose this as having profited from 1000 2:03:36 --> 2:03:48 the virus well they didn't do that either so the you know the what we're facing is a massive 1001 2:03:49 --> 2:03:59 lying with a population that has been conditioned to accept the lies and you know mark twain said 1002 2:03:59 --> 2:04:05 it's easier to propagate a lie than it is to be willing to admit that you have been duped by a lie 1003 2:04:06 --> 2:04:16 and that's part of the problem so again i i this group bringing forth the medicine i think is 1004 2:04:16 --> 2:04:23 extremely important and while i have not i'm not a medical doctor i didn't have any medical training 1005 2:04:23 --> 2:04:28 i've learned a lot of the medicine simply by reading it and it's clear to me how completely 1006 2:04:28 --> 2:04:34 fraudulent a great deal of medical and scientific literature that's being published today is 1007 2:04:35 --> 2:04:42 simply because if you don't agree with the current narrative the consequences on your academic or 1008 2:04:42 --> 2:04:52 professional career are severe so people make up data publish lies and peer review fraudulence 1009 2:04:52 --> 2:05:00 will not accept even a well done well documented paper that is deviates from the narrative so we're 1010 2:05:00 --> 2:05:07 in a very dark place when when truth is not the standard any longer professions that 1011 2:05:08 --> 2:05:15 demand truth in order to be functional your own is there any possibility that you and i and simon and 1012 2:05:16 --> 2:05:21 and a few others could sit down and well obviously we're in different places but 1013 2:05:21 --> 2:05:27 work together to produce a side of a4 that would be understood by the public and would 1014 2:05:27 --> 2:05:36 get the reaction that we're looking for it uh you know sir sure i i think hans i've been yes and i've 1015 2:05:36 --> 2:05:42 been giving a lot of thought to hans's paper on the um nord stream and he's right and i've been 1016 2:05:42 --> 2:05:46 giving a lot of thought to how to get that out what's the best method to get that out 1017 2:05:47 --> 2:05:53 i haven't resolved it yet but he jerome i didn't say anything to you but i thought that uh hans 1018 2:05:53 --> 2:05:58 benjamin's presentation to us the first presentation and later the second but the first 1019 2:05:58 --> 2:06:03 one was the one that did it i thought this is just brilliant and i agree with you uh it's very 1020 2:06:03 --> 2:06:09 convincing and nobody's answered him that's the that's the giveaway they they haven't answered 1021 2:06:09 --> 2:06:15 him because they can't answer him well it's brilliant and the seismic evidence is um is 1022 2:06:15 --> 2:06:22 indisputable that's that's the key is you cannot dispute that scientific evidence there's you have 1023 2:06:22 --> 2:06:28 to explain that scientific evidence and there's only really one explanation and he's right 1024 2:06:28 --> 2:06:34 thermonuclear device was detonated and but we were thinking at the time jerome that there could have 1025 2:06:34 --> 2:06:42 been other um uh other uh reasons for them doing that uh you know a warning to europe to strengthen 1026 2:06:42 --> 2:06:51 nato a warning to sweden you know you need to get into uh nato um because they weren't in nato at 1027 2:06:51 --> 2:06:57 the time although the decision that turkey was resisting i think finland of course is in nato 1028 2:06:57 --> 2:07:03 now amazingly um and whether they are and the other narrative was to break germany as well to 1029 2:07:03 --> 2:07:11 get germany to understand that actually they were not so powerful and they needed to uh obey the us 1030 2:07:11 --> 2:07:18 or whatever you know nato um and um so we were discussing all that you see i said i know sweden 1031 2:07:18 --> 2:07:28 very well i'm married to a swedish woman and um and um i know the country very well um i would 1032 2:07:28 --> 2:07:33 know it better if i was more in love with the language um but anyway um i know that they're 1033 2:07:33 --> 2:07:42 very good on statistics and those measuring sites in sweden they picked up the uh the nuclear 1034 2:07:42 --> 2:07:48 disaster you know the nuclear power plants in in ukraine i think it was or was it belarus no it 1035 2:07:48 --> 2:07:54 was belarus which got all the fallout yeah or most of the fallout um and um so the swedes have 1036 2:07:54 --> 2:08:00 great measuring devices there's no way they're not aware of what hans benjamin is saying so why have 1037 2:08:00 --> 2:08:07 they kept quiet and why have the germans kept quiet that's treason in my opinion not to alert 1038 2:08:07 --> 2:08:15 their populations as to what has happened there's uh i texted hans this morning the the um there's 1039 2:08:15 --> 2:08:21 a move to make the baltic sea the nato sea getting all the countries around the baltic sea to be part 1040 2:08:21 --> 2:08:28 of nato and there was an incident with a um chinese cargo ship that evidently lost an anchor 1041 2:08:28 --> 2:08:36 and they were saying it cut cables but again what is going on is that the nato countries do not want 1042 2:08:37 --> 2:08:44 russia and china using the baltic sea now if you take the baltic sea away from russia and deny its 1043 2:08:44 --> 2:08:53 access to the atlantic through the uh to the north that's an act of war just as denying russia 1044 2:08:53 --> 2:09:01 access to the atlantic through ukraine the black sea is an act of war and uh the nato countries 1045 2:09:01 --> 2:09:09 don't seem to care um and again it's hard to imagine that they want war and i think hans is 1046 2:09:09 --> 2:09:17 right that that that that device was detonated to show russia that our military and intelligence 1047 2:09:17 --> 2:09:23 agencies are ready to go to tactical nuclear war i think that's been one of the demonstrations of 1048 2:09:23 --> 2:09:31 how this battlefield uh the electronic battlefield has made conventional warfare obsolete and um 1049 2:09:32 --> 2:09:37 i'm trying to figure out the right formulation of these ideas that can put them together in a 1050 2:09:37 --> 2:09:43 way that will make the impact that has to be made so it'll take a while to figure out how to 1051 2:09:43 --> 2:09:50 best sort them out and get it down to one sentence but hans is right and that's 1052 2:09:50 --> 2:09:57 and what he's brought forth needs to be known and when it is known it will be immediately 1053 2:09:58 --> 2:10:05 threatening and it will be considered a conspiracy theory but again that we have to invite that in 1054 2:10:05 --> 2:10:09 order to stimulate the controversy to get a bigger platform for hans to explain himself 1055 2:10:12 --> 2:10:17 so i i invite these kind of controversies in order to expand the awareness of the issue 1056 2:10:18 --> 2:10:24 yep very good all right we've got 20 minutes 15 minutes to go everybody thank you jerome and 1057 2:10:24 --> 2:10:31 hands i apologize for being not being shorter than comment that's that's look that's that's 1058 2:10:31 --> 2:10:36 wonderful and we we've all got we've all got time so we you know it's the it's the it's all 1059 2:10:36 --> 2:10:42 excellent stuff now we've got three hands up mark then jim then tom we're finishing in 15 minutes 1060 2:10:44 --> 2:10:51 thank you charles uh i've uh i've posted this all right anyway i've posted it in the chat 1061 2:10:52 --> 2:11:00 it's uh absolute zero it's a document called absolute zero it's in the chat um and what i'm 1062 2:11:00 --> 2:11:07 trying to do with my wife is we're trying to wake up the people locally now we've been um to 1063 2:11:08 --> 2:11:16 peter borough and we have been to huntington we've done um uh we have here some questionnaires to ask 1064 2:11:16 --> 2:11:21 people some very simple questions just to try and find out whether or not they are awake 1065 2:11:22 --> 2:11:29 and what we have found is that the biggest thing that they um know about is the restriction of cash 1066 2:11:30 --> 2:11:40 the thing that they are least um interested in was the world health organization which of course 1067 2:11:40 --> 2:11:46 is something that as a as a group we're very interested in combating to make sure that we 1068 2:11:46 --> 2:11:56 keep our sovereignty etc so um having said that about the um the the survey i want to go back to 1069 2:11:56 --> 2:12:04 this report i think this report is actually key because in this report um they have some key 1070 2:12:04 --> 2:12:12 messages and one of the key messages is that we are not talking about net zero net zero 1071 2:12:13 --> 2:12:19 we're actually talking about absolute zero and there's a very good quote in here on page four 1072 2:12:20 --> 2:12:29 the public concern about climate is too well informed to be sidelined by political trickery 1073 2:12:31 --> 2:12:33 sorry is somebody uh austin can you 1074 2:12:39 --> 2:12:42 i don't know what's happened can you still we can we can we can we can hear you fine 1075 2:12:42 --> 2:12:51 okay okay okay sorry sorry okay so uh right i was saying too uh too well informed to be 1076 2:12:52 --> 2:13:00 sidelined by political trickery on definitions in writing this report we have therefore assumed 1077 2:13:00 --> 2:13:09 the target of zero emissions is absolute there is no negative emission option or meaningful carbon 1078 2:13:09 --> 2:13:18 offsets absolute zero means absolute emissions and the next paragraph it says the uk is responsible 1079 2:13:19 --> 2:13:27 for all emissions caused by its purchasing including imported goods international flights 1080 2:13:27 --> 2:13:39 and shipping um and on page uh six and seven it gives a uh this is a this on six and seven i've 1081 2:13:39 --> 2:13:50 posted it in as well it sums up it has um what we have to do by let's say uh 2049 and i think 1082 2:13:50 --> 2:13:58 this would wake up the the you know the public food beef and lamb is phased out well i like beef 1083 2:13:58 --> 2:14:06 and lamb i don't want it phased out i think that's how we want to get to people we're talking also 1084 2:14:06 --> 2:14:13 about people having their journeys reduced 60 percent what is who what is it who produced this 1085 2:14:13 --> 2:14:26 document uh this is a document sponsored by the government is uh by uk f i r e s i put everything 1086 2:14:26 --> 2:14:33 in the chat but what this sounds like this sounds like some insane asylum has published this document 1087 2:14:33 --> 2:14:40 which could be the u.k government the author the authors are from cambridge university bath 1088 2:14:40 --> 2:14:45 university nottingham university stratton university oxford university and imperial 1089 2:14:45 --> 2:14:51 college so i would agree with your statement thank you you put the link in there we'll move on 1090 2:14:51 --> 2:14:57 so that's that's the level of the pressure everybody you ain't seen nothing yet as i say 1091 2:14:57 --> 2:15:02 in classics that as gerome says there's a deep well we've all said there's a depopulation agenda 1092 2:15:02 --> 2:15:07 so get rid of electricity you will definitely get rid of the population okay we're three hands up 1093 2:15:07 --> 2:15:16 we got 10 minutes to go jim thank you uh thanks of coursey um 1094 2:15:19 --> 2:15:26 you're uh you're working on the jfk issue um i just put in something in the chat i'm not sure 1095 2:15:26 --> 2:15:33 if you talk to uh dr red duke um he's a trauma surgeon at at uh university of texas houston 1096 2:15:34 --> 2:15:41 um he's the uh trauma surgeon who who attended jfk or one of the trauma surgeons that attended jfk 1097 2:15:41 --> 2:15:48 and uh and treated connelly and was credited with saving connelly's life um he died in 2015 1098 2:15:49 --> 2:15:56 um and he was an exceptional uh exceptional guy who uh ran for sure was appointed was once a 1099 2:15:56 --> 2:16:01 candidate for surgeon general just wanted to make you aware of him if you weren't aware of him i 1100 2:16:01 --> 2:16:05 wasn't aware of him and did you put him in chat i'm looking for him now i can send that to you if 1101 2:16:05 --> 2:16:13 you yeah send it to just send it to me i think everyone here should have your address i'll put 1102 2:16:13 --> 2:16:22 my email in the chat okay and then um yeah so so i i gave one of the uh a one your your inspiration 1103 2:16:22 --> 2:16:28 for a one sentence summary um in the chat as well where the this seems to be a depopulation agenda 1104 2:16:28 --> 2:16:35 run by the the department of defense intelligence agency depopulation agenda um in the name of 1105 2:16:35 --> 2:16:43 climate change and uh that's the real uh question who's allowing this um how did how did our 1106 2:16:43 --> 2:16:52 intelligence organizations allow this and uh who and why uh without allowing the uh without 1107 2:16:52 --> 2:16:55 notifying the american people and this doesn't seem to be a government of the people by the 1108 2:16:55 --> 2:17:02 people and for the people so uh um i also want to make you aware of some uh documents that were 1109 2:17:02 --> 2:17:10 there they're they were kind of uh gotten by uh project veritas a couple years ago and senator 1110 2:17:10 --> 2:17:17 johnson made a request to see these documents there they show that darpa knew that hydroxychloroquine 1111 2:17:17 --> 2:17:22 ivermectin and interferon would work against the sars-cov-2 spike protein 1112 2:17:24 --> 2:17:30 so those are it's kind of important documents that they knew as far as early as april 2020 1113 2:17:30 --> 2:17:36 and they suppressed the uh the information and uh and so the question is why were they allowed to 1114 2:17:36 --> 2:17:43 do that and even now uh senator roger marshall is looking for the origins of the covid when they're 1115 2:17:43 --> 2:17:50 not asking for the origins of the sars-cov-2 spike protein and that's a very important 1116 2:17:50 --> 2:17:56 distinction robert cadillac k-a-d-l-e-c the head of manhattan kansas uh bio warfare labs wrote a 1117 2:17:56 --> 2:18:03 paper called muddy waters and uh and in that paper he says he'll never know who invented the sars it 1118 2:18:03 --> 2:18:10 seems to indicate that they they they say they'll never know who invented the covid when in fact they 1119 2:18:10 --> 2:18:15 may be able to figure out who invented the sars-cov-2 spike protein and we talked about 1120 2:18:15 --> 2:18:19 last time when you were here uh if they say they don't know who did it that means the intelligence 1121 2:18:19 --> 2:18:27 community did it yeah the glycoprotein 120 which was at the uh the key ingredient of the spike 1122 2:18:27 --> 2:18:37 protein was uh was patched into the sars virus that was one of the unique aspects of it and uh 1123 2:18:37 --> 2:18:45 and and fauci has patents on glycoprotein 120 he has on that glycoprotein he has patents 1124 2:18:45 --> 2:18:51 yes there's one more aspect and that's the furin cleavage site and it's a p r r a sequence and the 1125 2:18:51 --> 2:18:56 furin cleavage site was from a bacteria rather than the virus so the so the real smoking gun 1126 2:18:56 --> 2:19:04 may be the furin cleavage site uh as well because i believe it is i believe it is yeah i think you're 1127 2:19:04 --> 2:19:10 exactly right now uh my email is very simple it's joram corsi small small letters the number is 1128 2:19:10 --> 2:19:16 6554 at gmail.com i'm having i've got a direct message in here i can't put it in the message 1129 2:19:16 --> 2:19:23 forever jake joram corsi 6554 gmail.com and i'd like the information on that doctor we've got in 1130 2:19:23 --> 2:19:31 the book quite a few doctors who knew jack kennedy was shot twice from the front and it's very clear 1131 2:19:31 --> 2:19:37 in the x-rays and he shot once from behind two shots came from the grassy knoll and this book is 1132 2:19:37 --> 2:19:43 will demonstrate this to the american people i've been especially today working on it all day 1133 2:19:44 --> 2:19:48 trying to put together the coalition of people who are going to go forward to get this message to 1134 2:19:48 --> 2:19:55 the american people and to find out the right place to position it to break the news so it can't be 1135 2:19:55 --> 2:20:00 suppressed and one of the people who was involved with that was serol wecht do you are you in touch 1136 2:20:01 --> 2:20:08 yes in fact um yeah very much so and serol wecht was very good um dr chester will support dr 1137 2:20:08 --> 2:20:16 mantek peter jannie has just emailed me this afternoon he's um he is extremely good he did 1138 2:20:16 --> 2:20:22 the book of mary's mosaic on mary meyers who was cordmire's wife until she had an affair with jack 1139 2:20:22 --> 2:20:30 kennedy and um there's a small group here which will carry the message i like small groups of 1140 2:20:30 --> 2:20:35 people that can carry the message and defend the bull but when the american public sees this 1141 2:20:36 --> 2:20:42 it's going to change a lot of things and are you putting in anything are you putting in anything 1142 2:20:42 --> 2:20:48 about arlen specter and uh there's tons lots about arlen specter are you putting anything about him 1143 2:20:49 --> 2:20:55 being the guy who covered up for the 200 pounds of uranium coming in from uh from pennsylvania 1144 2:20:55 --> 2:21:01 into the middle east no i didn't do we did we stayed strictly with jfk we didn't get into other 1145 2:21:01 --> 2:21:08 things we just stayed strictly with jfk to not invite you know people picking up a stray thread 1146 2:21:08 --> 2:21:12 and making that to discredit the book which they're good at trying to do this book's going to be hard 1147 2:21:12 --> 2:21:19 to discredit all right on we go jim thank you we're out of time tom and then julie and then 1148 2:21:19 --> 2:21:27 we're finishing okay so i'm kind of just going to parrot some jj cooey he seems to be on a run he's 1149 2:21:27 --> 2:21:35 trying to do uh a twitch thing every night first thing um he um he followed the this week in 1150 2:21:35 --> 2:21:43 virology guys last night and um they're talking about gain of function and he he debunked that he 1151 2:21:43 --> 2:21:50 also debunked this wasting disease and deer the prion disease and basically his attack on these 1152 2:21:50 --> 2:21:56 virologists is that they have these oversimplified cartoon models and they all just kind of nod their 1153 2:21:56 --> 2:22:03 heads yeah we understand when in fact it's so like the prion protein folding is so complicated 1154 2:22:03 --> 2:22:09 um there's a apparently a law in congress to stop gain of function and that very much upset the 1155 2:22:09 --> 2:22:17 12 people this week you know vincent wreck and illy and so forth um then there's something i might 1156 2:22:17 --> 2:22:25 as well jump into this this confuses me this is one of his means he believes that the gain of function 1157 2:22:25 --> 2:22:34 is a big confusion point that it's just it's not real and i need somebody in this group to explain 1158 2:22:34 --> 2:22:41 to me why jj keeps focusing on that so i don't have an answer but he just thinks that's a big 1159 2:22:41 --> 2:22:47 way you very quickly has this crazy analogy where you have this wonderful high-speed train coming 1160 2:22:47 --> 2:22:54 into a station and you've got this team of athletic people that all line up because the brakes don't 1161 2:22:55 --> 2:22:59 work in the train so these athletic people all line up and they put chalk on their hands and they 1162 2:22:59 --> 2:23:05 they work really hard to slow down the train well the train is just fine but you get all these 1163 2:23:05 --> 2:23:12 impressive experts which is all the propaganda so there was no spread there's no pandemic is 1164 2:23:12 --> 2:23:20 is in a sense what he's saying and then with from denny rancourt another big meme is there's no 1165 2:23:20 --> 2:23:28 spread there's no spread of sars-cov-2 and that's hard for me to get he doesn't think that sars-cov-2 1166 2:23:28 --> 2:23:36 spread worldwide it it couldn't in his opinion so those are some talking points um very good thank 1167 2:23:36 --> 2:23:41 you i'll take those comments thank you tom that you put those in the chat as well i saw earlier 1168 2:23:41 --> 2:23:46 so for all of us to think about julie yeah so real quick jj couey covered that meme on his 1169 2:23:46 --> 2:23:50 presentation what two weeks ago charles we had that one jj couey here he covered that meme and 1170 2:23:50 --> 2:23:55 that answer to the gain of function so real quick circling back on iceland so i put three articles 1171 2:23:55 --> 2:24:00 that say okay iceland banned the covet vaccines just recently so that i wanted to make sure that 1172 2:24:00 --> 2:24:05 i covered my reputation on that clarifying that they did just do that and sasha lots of pova 1173 2:24:05 --> 2:24:10 broke that news and you can take her to the bank usually um real quick i also wanted to cover you 1174 2:24:10 --> 2:24:16 know i'm the one here advocating and representing the injured right i'm vaccine injured by moderna 1175 2:24:16 --> 2:24:20 i worked in health care my career blew up and yeah i woke up to this whole thing and 1176 2:24:20 --> 2:24:25 the people responsible for jfk are responsible for 9 11 so i guess 60 years from now we get a book on 1177 2:24:25 --> 2:24:31 9 11 and 60 years from now we get a book on covid but anyway so my doctor is now me i'm my own doctor 1178 2:24:31 --> 2:24:37 right for the most part but i do trust now the wellness company that's dr peter maccala dr drew 1179 2:24:37 --> 2:24:42 dr james thorpe their new organization everything's gone telehealth and they do an intake form where 1180 2:24:42 --> 2:24:46 they actually ask me what are your vaccine injuries so it's kind of refreshing but what i 1181 2:24:46 --> 2:24:53 was able to purchase is this medical emergency kit there's eight anti there's eight pharmaceutical 1182 2:24:53 --> 2:24:58 products in here so you get this nice little thing and it's a medical emergency kit so when you get a 1183 2:24:58 --> 2:25:08 little book so what's in here is a zetra myosin i'll read it um amoxicillin azithromycin doxycycline 1184 2:25:08 --> 2:25:15 the metronidazole a generic background ivermectin generic dipole can generic zofran and then it just 1185 2:25:15 --> 2:25:20 is a little book so when i i literally got kind of nauseous a couple weekends ago hold this out 1186 2:25:21 --> 2:25:27 i look up nausea and it leads me to you know take the zofran here's my and it's in its 30 day supply 1187 2:25:27 --> 2:25:34 249 and they have a similar one just for covid that includes the hydroxychloroquine and a nebulizer so 1188 2:25:34 --> 2:25:38 yeah highly recommend that group is my go-to now they're my doctors i don't trust a one here in 1189 2:25:38 --> 2:25:43 chico there isn't a one that i can trust not even my neurologist who diagnosed me with the you know 1190 2:25:43 --> 2:25:47 vaccine injury so yeah it's pretty disturbing that our medical community is now bought and paid for 1191 2:25:47 --> 2:25:53 by pharma um and also i just wanted to let steven frost know again this group's really amazing so 1192 2:25:53 --> 2:25:57 you guys connected me with sandra martinez who's in this group right she's in san diego southern 1193 2:25:57 --> 2:26:02 california i'm in northern california she and i hit up the board of pharmacy call last month 1194 2:26:02 --> 2:26:06 and gave them a couple public comments that they didn't want to hear and so i'm going to publish 1195 2:26:06 --> 2:26:11 on my rumble channel tomorrow and we're going to go back in at them every month and be there on 1196 2:26:11 --> 2:26:15 public comment and telling them what's this garbage and what the react you know the problems are 1197 2:26:15 --> 2:26:19 and i talked to her this morning we're going to actually do some survey work too and send it out 1198 2:26:19 --> 2:26:24 to the community and try to again really focus laser focus on this california board of pharmacy 1199 2:26:24 --> 2:26:28 because again it's just a multi-prong attack right you know we can't cover it all but 1200 2:26:28 --> 2:26:34 we're we're kind of wanting to laser focus in on the pharmacy you can't have these pharmacists try 1201 2:26:34 --> 2:26:39 to prescribe drugs like paxlovid which is black label or be the ones now that are you know 1202 2:26:39 --> 2:26:43 injecting little children with stuff so that's what we're going after so yeah you guys are doing 1203 2:26:43 --> 2:26:48 good work by connecting us all so thanks much for the call today julie i think that's a that's an 1204 2:26:48 --> 2:26:55 excellent point and i say that in the introduction that one connection from a meeting like this 1205 2:26:56 --> 2:27:02 who knows where that goes and so you know that's that's the value and we invest it each one of us 1206 2:27:02 --> 2:27:09 invest the time we get ideas here we get ways to express our ideas better jerome joins us and 1207 2:27:09 --> 2:27:15 suddenly that creates different connections and we're in the game so well said um can you julie 1208 2:27:15 --> 2:27:20 put your link to your rumble channel as well into the chat if you haven't done so if you have to 1209 2:27:20 --> 2:27:26 leave it there but if you haven't please put it in there so people can follow you there all right 1210 2:27:26 --> 2:27:32 everybody guess what it's two and a half hours so this is your opportunity to get on with your 1211 2:27:32 --> 2:27:41 life um steven has gone to sleep as you can see and there's 33 of us left so it's time to go 1212 2:27:42 --> 2:27:46 thank you all of you for your contributions uh jeremy are you when are you going to be ready to 1213 2:27:46 --> 2:27:57 sing us a song to exit i don't think you really want to give me a form for that but uh maybe tom 1214 2:27:57 --> 2:28:02 can help me set up the proper microphone system here that i can convey a little music to you i'd 1215 2:28:02 --> 2:28:09 be happy to do that very good so tom liaise with tom for that steven we're up there two and a half 1216 2:28:09 --> 2:28:15 hours we're going so is there any final comments you want to make so i just wanted to apologize 1217 2:28:15 --> 2:28:22 uh charles um i had to make a phone call that's right i've just finished this second so i so sorry 1218 2:28:22 --> 2:28:27 about that no dramas no dramas i had to pop out to make a phone call as well we all do that we 1219 2:28:27 --> 2:28:31 come in and out come in and out like i've got a good metaphor for that but i won't be rude at 1220 2:28:31 --> 2:28:37 the moment all right everybody thank you for being here have a wonderful tuesday night wednesday 1221 2:28:37 --> 2:28:43 morning read all the links stay passionate fight the fight and tom rodman has for those of you with 1222 2:28:43 --> 2:28:50 the time and uh tom's put the link into the telegram video chat if you have time to stick around 1223 2:28:50 --> 2:28:56 go there and we will be back with you on sunday simon the wolf you and i have some stuff to talk 1224 2:28:56 --> 2:29:02 about we will get there lots of other stuff to talk about on we go fight the fight thanks for 1225 2:29:02 --> 2:29:10 being here bye everybody geroma oh is gerome yes i'm sorry yes i'm still here yes i'll try to 1226 2:29:11 --> 2:29:15 i'll try to email you if i look as though i might have forgotten could you email me 1227 2:29:15 --> 2:29:22 just so that and your email is hold on a second is steve