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oh thanks I'm not sure which one you mean I've given so many yeah well you

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stripe rugby shirt possibly it was what was this a city council meeting or all

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that was at the State House yeah yeah that was that was four months ago it's

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going around now everybody's congratulating me and I'm like it was

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four months ago thank you though thank you John the one with Professor Norman

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Fenton that was brilliant and and Norman Fenton was asking you some great

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questions Norman prepared to interview me more than anybody so he drew out of

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me a lot of detail that I don't generally get to say so he was he was

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the one who made that work really well he was great he was great and thank John

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B we'll talk about that a bit later John Lukacs can you just repeat the the for

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those who have just come on before I introduce each what the the link that

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you've posted and posted again in the chat from Dr. Shiva just mention it yeah

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okay so so dr. Shiva is a an MIT wonk he's running for president but I don't

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want anybody to think that I'm trying to get you a vote for this guy I don't I'm

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not gonna vote for him I think that's it's kind of a gimmick to get his

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message out there's no way he's gonna be president and I wouldn't want to

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preside over this mess anyway so that cannot possibly be a good idea however

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he's very very bright and this whiteboard presentation he does is 14

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minutes long and everybody on this called they need you need to really

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familiarize yourself with what he maps out here because he explains enough

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about how this from a systems approach how to identify where the controlled

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opposition is and you can do it really flawlessly if you just study this it's a

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fabulous presentation and if you haven't seen it you really don't know who to

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trust you just have guys you like and guys you don't most of them are

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manufactured and provided he tells you exactly who they are beautiful it's

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brilliant thank you thank you John all right let's get this show on the road

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at seven minutes past the hour wherever you are it's 5 a.m. here in Australia

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Stephen Frost is here if Stephen puts his camera on each welcome great to see

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you and your name I'm quite able to do it because one of my good mates is a

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Spartan from from Macedonia his name is Spiros Galatios so I've got used to

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cojilata so I'm getting I love it I'm getting getting used to this and

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anyway my my sister a long story but anyway cojilata's lovely to meet you

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so everybody let's get this show on the road welcome today's discussion a

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meeting of medical doctors for COVID ethics international this group was

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founded by dr. Stephen Frost during the darkest days of the COVID scam

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responses with a desire to pursue truth ethics justice freedom and health Stephen

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has stood up against government and power over the years and has been a

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whistleblower and activist his medical specialty is radiology I'm Charles

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Cobess the moderator of this group I'm Australasias passion provocateur and my

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jacket is red because red is the color of passion I practiced law for 20 years

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before changing career 30 years ago and over the past 12 years I've helped

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parents and lawyers to strategize remedies for vaccine damage and damage

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from bad medical advice I point out that the third highest cause of death in

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America after heart problems and cancer is medical misadventure I'm also the CEO

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of an industrial hemp company we comprise lots of professions including

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doctors lawyers homeopaths journalists scientists filmmakers peacemakers

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troublemakers and professors and we're from all around the world many of us

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thought the vaccines were okay now many of us proudly say yes we are passionate

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anti-vaxxers and with the news that came out this week at Mary Holland one of our

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presenters in the past the president of children's health defense that was

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that's been approved on the basis of testing 20 mice it shows you the fraud

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and the extent to which the the globalists are out to cause deep deep

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to keep the order there is no censorship it's a free speech environment with

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appropriate moderating free speech is crucially important in our fight to

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perspective of love not fear fear is the opposite of love fear squashes you love

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screensaver that you can see in black and white I will not comply the words

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around and say where tyranny is law Mark what's the last line where tyranny is

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law non-compliance is no it's a due its resistance becomes a duty where I'll

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post it I'll post the image I'll post the image in chat yeah where tyranny is

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your wisdom and insights and again thank you Stephen Frost again for creating

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this group and for organizing each to address us so each where are your hands

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welcome I mean firstly thank you very much I think this is a very unique

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situation and I think I'm very grateful to to actually have kind of found myself

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in this kind of situation where it seems like kind of above ground we can't say

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what we feel like there's a lot of frustration in the air so it's very

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refreshing to be on a platform with people who are willing to even here no

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even asking to even here you know to not you know to be forced into anything but

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to be to have an open dialogue and that's the most important thing that's

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the one the most important thing we can do as mankind you know to have this open

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dialogue so yeah I think I'm very lucky to be here so great to have you great

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guys hi so you can share your screen it's over to you we will listen to you

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as long as you wish to speak and then when you say right up I'm ready for

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questions now and we'll be Charles I didn't have time to explain to each but

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so each you can present to us if you haven't got a presentation then we can

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find some questions for you or create a conversation it's up to you yes I would

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so I kind of came in not knowing not really kind of having a thing to talk

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about and then I was kind of asked to do this and I was like oh I don't know if I

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should speak about mushrooms I'm not sure if I should speak about my day I

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don't know if I should speak about your day I had no idea so I was like you know

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what I want just I just want to have an open conversation I really want just to

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it to be like if I met you at a park or if we're in a pub and you guys join in

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and if there's things you don't like just kind of pipe up if there's things

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you do like just pipe up and I want it just open conversation like a kind of

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free flow if you guys are correct if not we're up for a weekend we can we can we

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can ask you questions for five hours with a John look out we got John

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Baudwin we got Stephen we got plenty of people with plenty of questions so as

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we say everybody Stephen you can go first in a moment I've got a question of

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you each because what intrigues me the most in your background is your

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willingness to is your willingness to give away your medical career your

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conventional medical career and it is it is the considered view of many here

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certainly my considered view there are five groups who have enabled this fraud

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profession the churches the leaders of big business and mainstream media if

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any one of those five groups had spoken out against this fraud of the globalists

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it would not have been perpetrated so my question to you is how come you seem to

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be an aware Medico well firstly like to say thanks to God and whatever you

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believe as that to be whether that's an infinite kind of energy whether that's

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Jesus with us whether that's kind of Allah whether that's quantum you know

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or the universe or even if you don't have anything I think that that had made

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me and it led me to it like that's there's no I think back in a go well like

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I should have done these things but my journey had begun already long time

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before I was even born and at this moment it led me or my understanding of

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it was kind of kind of realized afterwards so I don't know I don't know

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where you want to take that so it's very easy to blame in the same sense it's

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very easy to blame five groups of people or or someone else it's very easy to go

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like it was the priest it was the politicians it was our our doctors our

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kind of lawyers they didn't stand up for us if only they didn't do something okay

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yes yes I'm not saying that's not true but why why not actually kind of extend

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that you know why why what what the kind of postman or the kind of bin cleaners

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or the plumbers or your regular you know your regular people where is the self

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self kind of blame or understanding that you also we also had a part in this

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every single person and it's quite easy to can point your fingers and you know

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it's wrong but you you find something you go well maybe it's you know I was

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saved because of some reason but it's someone else's fault because they were

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less intelligent or it's luck but actually have you taken the steps

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forward so you know I was always someone that say I can befall of this that I

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wasn't very happy with the answers whether at that be religion whether

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that be science I was bored with that trait and that had led me to leave my

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religion or all kind of in a kind of so-called kind of kind of belief in this

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thing and so I questioned everything which meant I didn't question and left

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to become atheist to to rebel and kind of join a group or to worship atheism I

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don't really care for it I wanted to I wanted the truth and I was happy if the

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truth was you know kind of this was it however when you when you question

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there's always more questioning because you're dealing with infinite you're

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dealing with infinite state so there will be infinite questions if you know

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read Schopenhauer like I've I didn't work that I didn't read the works of

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people who who who translated them I went kind of straight to the source and

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I read what they said I read kind of kind of niche I've then read 1984 I've

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read kind of brave new world like a long time ago not only that I was interested

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in the Eastern I was interested in Buddhism I was interested in kind of

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Hinduism and just like just didn't I was like it doesn't make sense these people

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like all these people were doing kind of bad things and you know you can see

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these kind of priests and monks they were doing kind of these you know things

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I wouldn't see as kind of holy so I left a religion but I was like but there was

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still an unrest of the reality of life then I was interested in kind of science

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and it got me to into medicine because I like to help people and then eventually

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because of my questioning and need to help people you leave the profession

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when you realize what's been going on or you're lucky enough to I had I didn't

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have children I didn't have a didn't have a mortgage I just had my in my life to

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deal with so I took the sacrifice and I left but I was very lucky too and I

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understand there are some doctors in my position who want to leave you know they

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do feel like this is not right but they do have to feel their family so you know

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I was lucky who to me to have the right family that in the right in the right

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time in the right position kind of to leave and then yeah you begin kind of

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you know kind of question that the narrative kind of along you know you know

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I know a kind of basic scientists will tell you or like a well you could ask a

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child if you took a statin all your life would that be like a good idea and they

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would tell you no this is so confused now we're like no but this study tells me

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this statins are okay they are natural and they come from mushrooms once in a

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while they can be good if you have cancer they might be useful long-term

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therapy will always have a side effect stinging nettles are amazing have the

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wrong kind at the wrong time if you brush past him then they will hurt it's

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depends it depends on the dose on you on the person on the natural substance so

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we've we've lost with a lot of us are lost in the maze of science now and I

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think the science is the deep conditioning you know this we've we're

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kind of brought up them the infinite state and God kind of transcends science

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kind of Jesus knew more about the life than our scientists do you know so

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we've lost this understanding of it because of science we're lost in the

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maze of science or thought or our thinking so I was thinking about my

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description and I'll stop talking in a bit and I don't like having a

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description of my life and I don't really like talking about myself but I

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know sometimes it's useful to if it it's if it's valuable then kind of why not

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but I was right because it's not me I didn't do any of it I was I was very

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lucky to have all of this right so I feel kind of like but really what I'm

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getting your your kind of vessel to appreciate the spirit if you know what I

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mean because our bodies have now been corrupted because your mind can also be

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corrupted but our bodies with kind of toxins have been corrupted so there is

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inflammation and therefore it's very difficult to get to the state of

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understanding now if you understand it you do then if you it's a it's a thing

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that kind of transcends description but maybe some of you do but anyway I'll

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stop talking there so so Steven if you put your screen on to ask questions I

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have a definition of health you mentioned health each do you have a

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definition of what it means for a man or woman to be healthy what is yes for

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you you know what's the what's the definition in my radio program I say

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health is the unique optimum balance for each one of us unique optimum balance

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of mental physical and spiritual elements that's how I go what's what what

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do you say is being healthy and then we'll go to Stephen first I was asked

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this question a few days ago by another podcaster from India and I would I can't

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remember his name his name is Nishan and he was fit.com India and I would say I

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would retweet stuff on my Twitter just can follow people who are you know

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kind of it's very important to support those and can forget about numbers it's

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very easy to get lost in the following like all this person deserves a following

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I should kind of follow this person don't get lost in that just see the

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message if this person seems good so this guy obviously we're kind of

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speaking so he's a good omen can listen he asked me this question I was like I

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don't know in the deep in the deep sense I see everything as one I see

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everything is good so health is no separate from anything else you know

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whatever you do is good health but I think to really understand it I put it

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to him that I felt health was like a good friend it's it's someone who doesn't

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lie to you but lets you be you so you can you can smoke and your health will

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be there like it's there for you but your health will lie to you it'll be

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like it's hurting me but I'm here for you and sometimes you might need a smoke

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so this is the the kind of balance that I tried to go over with health it's very

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easy to go no smoking no drinking celibate leave your family run

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marathons lift loads of weights healthy eat get all supplements have all the

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shakes you know what I mean we have this definition of health but I think it

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that's too that's our thinking that's that's too much thinking in a for in a

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for one which which in itself is not very healthy and number two it's kind of

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restricts you from being you so I say just can forget that and see how more as

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more as a friend and and I see as a state more towards the now so anything

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that takes away from the now whether that be a thought or inflammation or

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pain or kind of bloating then if you want to reduce it then you go closer to

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health because you vibrate more with this universal frequency now you can call

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that kind of balance of balance in the chakras or understanding or things

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happening to you or intuition there's different levels of health we can talk

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about the lowest levels to you know can vary on well kind of cancer very lots of

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trauma kind of inwardly lots of evil lots of hate that we have that and

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there's a spectrum like everything because there's a non-dualistic to

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everything to to a state where it's very very healthy rain of it these people are

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living to 123 years old with minimal supplements and just exercise so there

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is a there is a kind of spectrum but yeah I mean for me is an individual

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thing very good very excellent thank you each all right Stephen over to you and

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then the rest of you put hands up after you go first Stephen yeah each and I

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know you don't like talking about yourself but sometimes that's the best

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way to get people to follow you so would you mind if we just ask a few questions

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about well for example which medical school did you go to what was your life

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be like before university what were your the greatest influences on you your

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parents your grandparents their background for example if you want to

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you don't have to but and anything else which might so I but just an observation

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on what you were talking about then the health thing I think so I hadn't really

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thought about this deeply before but I've been well I'm not sure I've thought

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about it deeply now either but it's kind of being forced on me as I've realized

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what's happened in the last three and a half years and I wonder this world that

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we're living in is far more crazy than I ever thought so now I've got to a stage

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where I don't trust anything coming from anyone even in this group until I

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actively agree or have good feelings about the people putting out the message

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so I agree with you that it's not it's not possible to define what we're looking

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for but we're all human beings and and I do feel sometimes that human beings

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sort out their problems by talking and then if you like forming alliances

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healthy alliances but some but it's not been very easy the last three and a half

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years and I too have been psychologically tortured by my own

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government as populations around the world have I thought I was immune from

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it but then I realized that actually I was not quite the same as before and I

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think that applies to many people they have lost the habits through these

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ridiculous lockdowns and they think that a lot of people have said to me

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openly said that they they don't want to travel like they did before and that's

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really they've lost their joie de vivre if you like I'm not very good at French

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but they love traveling before and now they think about it and then they

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convinced themselves that they don't want to go to the airport because the

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airport's crazy and Manchester Airport in my opinion is the craziest of all

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and I've thought that for about 20 years now since 9-11 essentially so I

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wonder so I'm thinking that people are not have not recovered from what

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happened in 2020 and after in particular but they weren't very well

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before so Matthias Desnott talks about a free-floating anxiety so I think even he

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doesn't know how to describe it but um but I just wonder whether you think that

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it's possible with these kind of psychological threats and the crazy

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lives that people leave lead at the moment very divorced from how human

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beings should be in my opinion whether whether it's possible to be healthy as

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you're talking about you know

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well I mean that is it's when people ask me on Twitter I would like your kind of

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opinion on this and it's usually like I would put picture up on some flowers and

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someone be like oh can I have opinion on thyroid health and I'll be like

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you want how far do you want to take this not not in a not in a boastful way

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but it's there's an infinite amount of things that we can take anything down

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I think they recognized you as a leader each so that's why they're asking you

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that's why you're confused maybe I don't know maybe you've realized that people

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are desperate for leadership at the moment and there is no wise leadership or

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there's very little anyway that so yeah I think I was on a space earlier and we

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were on a discussion about kind of God and infinite state and we were talking

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about will there be a savior or like a leader and you know look we've seen what's

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happened you know we've had our leaders as you said our leaders our politicians

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our doctors everyone let us down so this conscious construct of a leader has been

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dismantled and it's very disheartening it's it's a it is a there is a global

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conscious anxiety it's okay okay it's it's okay and I also I also said that

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this is okay so look this anxiety can also confuse you when you go into

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spirituality because you're like the world is rubbish and I'm really trying

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hard to pray God and I think you know God is good or this infinite thing is

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good but there's so much kind of badness everywhere how can this be so this is

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like mass confusion in this brief in this kind of spiritual sense there's

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mass confusion in the scientific sense you question it because you're a doctor

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because you go a lot of especially doctors you go into the you know you

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can you can talk down upon them and whatnot but a lot of them also do go do

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go into the actual job wanting to help people there is compassion in them so

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they've seen this and lawyers and teachers everyone everyone has this and

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you're going what like what is going on so there is this feeling of like am I

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going crazy also for feeling like a like it is going crazy right because you can

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feel very alone but number two you also have to become comfortable with it this

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is why I recently recently I tweeted Machiavelli and I also talk about

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Tantra okay no Machiavelli his stuff was actually butchered okay he's he he what

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he spoke about was actually power on leadership and power he wasn't

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interested he saw the world very clearly in this kind of dualistic sense but

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Machiavelli over time it was can bastardize and use for bad power okay

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power I call the masculine or you can in the hindrance to kind of Shakti the

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the universal power is necessary it's the thing that makes your heartbeat is

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the thing that makes your thought work it's things that makes your breath this

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is just energy state you or you can talk about mitochondria you can talk about

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the firing of neurons you can talk about combustion the cosmos movement of time

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everything is movement this is Shakti right now I've lost an attention on this

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because I always do because I'm going to the deaths and sometimes I get lost in

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there so yes go on so just to remind you could you just tell us why you why you

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stopped being a doctor in the UK I heard that you were shocked at what was going

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on in the hospitals ie there were no patients there during April and May

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certainly in May of 2020 and that I don't know whether I've miss heard but I

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think you were shocked also that the nurses and the doctors who had nothing

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to do in the hospitals but the public outside the hospitals didn't realize

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that but I did because I knew a Daily Mail reporter who was going into the

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hospitals in London every day with her husband and she was telling me that the

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hospitals are were empty but I heard that each that you are shocked at what

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was going on in the hospitals and that's why you left is that right yes I was I

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was actually sick of there's a few things I was sick of the lies okay you

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have to understand when when things lie externally you're accepting it it's like

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you are except you have to accept that lie so I got you can say I got kind of

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bored of it I didn't like the burden of it I just saw condescending I just saw

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contradiction everywhere and I was like I just can't deal with it I saw the backs

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I saw the papers and the vaccines I understood it and then I saw what was

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going on I was like this is this is you we actually killing people like you know

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what I mean like it was just obvious then so it's a it's like an obvious fact

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like I can't live with this so I needed the courage like this is that's the

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obvious logical logical conclusion is we are killing people and you know we

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start the conversation by saying with a fee with a third leading cause of death

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no no we're the first doctors allow for mental health issues doctors allow for

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kind of obesity you can dock in a doctor the duty of a doctor it doesn't just

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stop in in the office if you understand mitochondrial health you want to change

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the world you have to you have to live you have to change the air quality around

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you have to change the water quality around you you have to help people lose

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weight if they want one them to by helping with their traumas a good doctor

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is a is a leader same as a good lawyer same as a good kind of priest it's this

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or a man or a lady or a transsexual any good person is a good leader but you have

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to lead some you have to lead with kind of purity so I knew there was confusion

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going on and I was like I'm sick of living in confusion basically and I

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think I was just ready for it I think it chose me and then I've had this

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wonderful wonderful adventure on the call I think is that in the UK the

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doctors and the nurses thought it was a good idea to be doing tik-tok dances in

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hospital when the public were clapping every Thursday not me but clapping every

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Thursday night outside their houses for the NHS which was said to be under

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pressure so the NHS people were heroes and yet they were doing tik-tok dancing

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because they had nothing to do in the hospitals the hospitals were empty is

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that right?

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Yeah I mean objectively during the first wave during A&E I was expecting a like

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this massive thing and I was like there was a little there was a little peak and

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then but for the most of the afterwards day it was empty and it was so empty that

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we were asked to help with the you know the kind of discharge letters and do the

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paperwork and help kind of clean A&E and I was like whoa not whoa like this is

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amazing but whoa we have a problem here because because the backlog isn't linear

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if you it doesn't work like that

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can reality works more than kind of kind of linearly if you stop if it locked

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down and stopped for one year it means people lives affected infinitely

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afterwards because a baby is born that maybe shouldn't have been born someone

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misses a cancer diagnosis if you look at it in that sense that changes the whole

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kind of way of life and it's for everyone not just for the people but even

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you even if you're healthy so it's for for my sake even for like a selfish

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which is a worldwide sake I was like like lockdowns they just seem stupid and

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yeah people they were doing they were doing tick-tock dances now look was it

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this I say the word congruent was it helpful with what was going on no has

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that been done yes I can't change it am I like was I at the time like really

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confused yes now am I still angry I don't really care for it in like I think

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we need to also move on and kind of because I didn't say anything like I

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didn't stand up and say you shouldn't be doing it I like I say in my first

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chapter in my book I say it was it's actually a poem saying I could have done

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more because it's all unwell going oh we're here and we're talking and you

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know other people are waking up and people did kind of tickle dances but I

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I didn't I could have I like I feel like I could have done something else but

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like I didn't as well so there is you have to understand you you could have but

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you didn't so then you understand is all you have in your hands is denial all you

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have there's no past there's no future that's just a mental kind of imagery and

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we can go there we can go down the kind of new the kind of quantum route and the

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kind of conscious route we can we can go down that route but in reality in all

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sake all we have is the now and so the thing that takes us away from the now is

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this suffering is this thinking and the suffering is take shape in loads of

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forms but it's it's mainly fear so fear takes us away from love love is the now

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about fear takes shapes in loads of forms and for those people at that time it was

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doing ticktock dances because there's no other explanation about someone who's

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fearful or has internal an internal thought or dialogue and there's confusion in there

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and therefore they thought it was necessary that's the only explanation right and I was

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just blessed enough to have parents and we've fled a genocide I don't know my when I was born

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maybe a net you was confusing right how did the dances come about was it was it spontaneous or

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was it suggested by someone in the UK what was what was do or do you think that there was a need

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for a connection with other people and the dances fulfilled that or do you think that it was a cult

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was this a cult is it a cult now I think it is but anyway you say what you like it it depends what

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you want it depends what you want your end kind of goal to be I say in life like if you are if

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the dancers were helpful for us to have a conversation now then yeah those dancers were

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necessary for me to look at it to me to live my life in the way then to you to live your life in

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the way for us to have this conversation so in a way all this all the all the dances at the time

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when I looked at I was like this is odd I would and they asked me to dance and I said I'm not

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dancing I'm I'm good um I was like this is weird now I'm like oh but it's a blessing right now I

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can it happened now I can speak to you now we can have this conversation it's like and this

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conversation is amazing we have people listening from all all over the world with different

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thoughts and I think it's a very kind of fertile kind of area or thought this is the kind of

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you know kind of Babylon of this this kind of age isn't it so more generally is dancing

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even when people haven't been psychologically tortured is dancing always a distraction and

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was it always a distraction because I always had a resistance to dancing I don't know why I didn't

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like it and the more I didn't want to dance the more the the women wanted to dance with me

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but I wouldn't do it even in Sweden

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um it just yeah look look it depends like I said like if you're on a club

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then it's different like Martha would be different if you asked me if you're with

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your partner and about dancing then it's a different thing if you ask me the dancing in

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like a deeper level then it's different thing it's depends how you approach dancing now

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like if it's yeah but that's my point ish is dancing always superficial is it always drawing

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people away from uh things that they should no no no no no look look I dance all the time when you

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understand who you are when you truly truly when if you're if you're blessed to truly understand

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what this life is and I really kind of pray and I and I hope but that's come down to you if you

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understand who you are if it's your nature then you will dance because it's joyful if you understand

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your life you can it depends on your approach things so some people dance because they're

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confused and some people dance because it's the only thing you know they can do so sometimes you

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have to dance it's um so then there's a there's a kind of place to dance and there's a place not to

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dance but you know that's that's that's out of your hands you know yeah so um ish um so what is it

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in your background do you think that makes you different from people you know I'm not saying

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difference in a bad way obviously difference in a good way but I don't think you need to hear that

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so what do you so was it your parents your grandparents was it are you are you originally

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are your family originally from Greece or what was it no no no no this is funny because um

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when I used to work at Leicester um there are a lot of Greek doctors there and I worked in cardiology

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there and before you go you have names on a sheet this is what happens when you um as the doctors

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and nurses will know like you get transferred to the next job and you don't know who these people

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are you just get transferred and so there are a lot of Greek doctors there and um we all met in

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the staff room with the registrars and stuff and then they were like where is this cohilathos guy

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versus and they were like oh is this you and I was like yeah they're like you're not Greek and I was

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like I'm not Greek no um so I'm Sri Lankan um but my surname is sounds very Greek and so they're

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just laughing and I it just it just kind of brought me back to that uh time so my parents are

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they came to the UK in the 90s um early 90s um because of the genocide in Sri Lanka

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there were loads of riots so um they felt it was safe for them to come to the UK and have a baby

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because um they were sensible and they were lucky um so my my grandma um must enough you know mustered

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up enough money and had loads of courage um and in kind of intelligence and my kind of grandfather

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with his kind of blessings helped his um his children one by one leave the country and my

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mum was one of them with my dad um they had an arranged marriage and met each other I think once

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or twice before they got married and my um my dad was very open so my mum has all the energy and my

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dad is very open and they were both very open um and uh they uh fell in love I think and they kind

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of kind of grew in love so I was very lucky to have those parents so I got I grew up um in I

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was born in Watford um and I grew up in Watford I was born on October day and my mum newly who came

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to England um she carried me and she looked out onto the Watford kind of uh road and she said

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there was loads of snow she was like wow there's loads of snow actually before I was born um my

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grandma had a vision oh no my mum had a vision that she was pregnant before she was pregnant

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and the um it was a priest that said you should name your child a devotee of Shiva right

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okay so not knowing what to name me um my uncle named me my name um which means everything which

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means Shiva which is quite kind of ironic um later on I would um I would leave uh the religion

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and all religions and then re-understand my name which is so I find it very funny um and then yeah

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so uh we um I was brought up in a room my uncle's room my mum dad me my uncle's family and two other

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kind of guests in his other house in a terrace house um in West Watford um and there was a dog

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there as well just imagine that those people um so how many people were living in that room you

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referred to was that so the room in in the terrace house in Watford is that right yes yes

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so that was me my mum my dad um but the house had other people so in that room it was us so I was

467
0:44:38 --> 0:44:48
I was born there but I found on her I look if you look at uh money okay numbers-wise um we didn't

468
0:44:48 --> 0:44:57
we didn't actually have much okay but in terms of wealth we had I had everything so um I I never

469
0:44:58 --> 0:45:05
my parents never um made me feel that way and I always um have felt very blessed so I don't want

470
0:45:05 --> 0:45:10
anyone to be like oh a terrace house wow he came from this he came from the street like no no I

471
0:45:10 --> 0:45:14
it is what it is like that's that's the way that's the way it was later yeah

472
0:45:14 --> 0:45:22
criticizing it I wasn't later we would um my parents bought um a house on the same road a

473
0:45:22 --> 0:45:27
terrace house um my sister was born and most of my childhood memories are from there in Watford

474
0:45:28 --> 0:45:35
um and then my my mum was adamant she moved to Cassaberry which was a nicer area of Watford and

475
0:45:35 --> 0:45:39
I only understand now because like obviously you want to move there like it's a nicer area

476
0:45:39 --> 0:45:46
it's a location is vital for health right so she understood that um and I say that because in the

477
0:45:46 --> 0:45:55
culture like for a woman to be not a woman I wouldn't say the culture but it was different

478
0:45:55 --> 0:46:00
for a woman at that in that time to want something and to go out to go out to go out for it and my

479
0:46:01 --> 0:46:07
to to give credit to my dad and all the all the men in the family they let her you know they let

480
0:46:07 --> 0:46:13
her and some some women don't have that like I guess now but she um bought the house and with

481
0:46:13 --> 0:46:17
I was with my dad but her thinking and stuff so she got this house and we had a lovely uh we have

482
0:46:17 --> 0:46:25
a lovely kind of upbringing there um I so I was brought up mainly near the near the park which

483
0:46:25 --> 0:46:31
is a blessing so I um during the pandemic um stayed there and I bring that up because that's

484
0:46:31 --> 0:46:37
I find that like a blessed area um discovered the forest helped me during the pandemic during

485
0:46:37 --> 0:46:45
the worst times this you know the area is very kind of sacred to me so yeah and then I went to

486
0:46:45 --> 0:46:55
university out uh in Brighton and Sausage University um just by luck I would say you know

487
0:46:55 --> 0:46:59
quite pure like they were I had uh interview uh asked my dementia I was very interested in

488
0:46:59 --> 0:47:04
dementia I was like um I went to get him I was like we need to we need to cure dementia and then

489
0:47:04 --> 0:47:10
this doctor she was very lovely she was one of those new doctors not what not the not the UCL

490
0:47:10 --> 0:47:16
types I think you know what I mean like the not the Oxford doctors the like the new age less

491
0:47:16 --> 0:47:22
paternalistic and she asked me um and that's and that's no offense to anyone that's just her

492
0:47:22 --> 0:47:28
description um she asked me what was kind of vascular dementia and I I only I didn't learn

493
0:47:28 --> 0:47:33
about it so I had only focused on one form of dementia I was like uh I'm not sure she was like

494
0:47:33 --> 0:47:39
so what do you think it is and I I really liked that she she asked me what do I think it was

495
0:47:39 --> 0:47:44
and I thought she would that was just amazing and she said I thought about it and I thought

496
0:47:44 --> 0:47:50
vascular it seems like the convalescence so it seems like it's to do with the blood flow in the

497
0:47:50 --> 0:47:54
brain and therefore any disruption in the so she was like yeah that's exactly what it is so

498
0:47:54 --> 0:48:02
I think that brings to a nice point by saying like um it's very important it's very important

499
0:48:02 --> 0:48:12
uh to question even even people you truly truly believe is vibrating on the same level um even

500
0:48:12 --> 0:48:17
you have to even you have to yourself you know you have to question yourself and and that's the

501
0:48:17 --> 0:48:23
ultimate kind of question um because everything internally is an external external projection so

502
0:48:24 --> 0:48:30
you have to you have to question to understand the truth and if you become comfortable um it's

503
0:48:31 --> 0:48:38
not a sign of laziness but you know there's an infiniteness there so um you can come by it

504
0:48:38 --> 0:48:44
in kind of two different ways so it's not a bad thing but um because sometimes you can end up at

505
0:48:44 --> 0:48:48
a question and understand you need you don't need to question anything else anymore there's one

506
0:48:48 --> 0:48:54
question that when you question it you go oh everything's okay so but but to get there it's

507
0:48:54 --> 0:49:00
it's the question so each you went to medical school you were there for five years presumably

508
0:49:00 --> 0:49:05
and then you did your house years so when were you first registered

509
0:49:05 --> 0:49:09
fully registered as a as a doctor medical doctor in the uk

510
0:49:13 --> 0:49:16
I honestly can't remember so I think I think 2016

511
0:49:17 --> 0:49:21
I say that because it feels like a dream to me um but if you go you can search my name on the

512
0:49:21 --> 0:49:28
gmc and it'll probably tell you then but I think 2016 I yeah I did five years I I didn't have any

513
0:49:28 --> 0:49:38
gap years or um anything between so I I went into university at age 18 so um yeah so and so and when

514
0:49:38 --> 0:49:46
did you actually leave the register and did you you left voluntarily did you yeah voluntarily as

515
0:49:46 --> 0:49:52
and such that um I felt like I had a decision over it at the time by looking back that's exactly

516
0:49:52 --> 0:50:01
what I did yeah but I didn't realize it I didn't realize that until later and now listening to you

517
0:50:01 --> 0:50:07
I knew I had to come off because I didn't want the general medical council having anything to

518
0:50:07 --> 0:50:12
do with me and not have the ability either to snap at my heels when I was trying to do what I

519
0:50:13 --> 0:50:20
needed to do in my view which wasn't very which wasn't very clear to me yes yes I just followed

520
0:50:20 --> 0:50:27
my nose and my instincts and um yes yes yes okay Stephen that's one more question there's 25

521
0:50:27 --> 0:50:32
minutes we've got and we've got the hands up so hit each with your next question and then we'll

522
0:50:32 --> 0:50:38
go to other hands questions well yeah I would encourage people to put their hands up and dare

523
0:50:38 --> 0:50:45
to ask a question because the meeting is only as good as the participants so um yeah so bearing

524
0:50:45 --> 0:50:51
in mind what each said earlier that you know you need to take responsibility in these terrible times

525
0:50:51 --> 0:50:58
then um I think uh you know I understand that some people are shy I'm very shy they're not shy

526
0:50:58 --> 0:51:05
that's okay they'll ask questions if they want to ask questions so but I'm trying to encourage them

527
0:51:05 --> 0:51:11
that's all yeah that's okay they're not scared of asking questions so one more question Stephen

528
0:51:11 --> 0:51:20
before we go to John um yeah if in your medical opinion and you're allowed to have an opinion as

529
0:51:20 --> 0:51:27
a doctor uh that was always the case and you talked about doctors being leaders yes we were

530
0:51:27 --> 0:51:35
told that nobody got to tell us when we were doctors what to do including other doctors very

531
0:51:35 --> 0:51:40
interesting we were taught that at our medical school and that's exactly what everybody's got

532
0:51:40 --> 0:51:49
we were also told that the best the patient was best defended against whatever um by a doctor

533
0:51:50 --> 0:51:58
who had the patient's interest heart and also the best situation for the patients or patients

534
0:51:58 --> 0:52:05
was doctors individual autonomous doctors driven by medical ethics each one of them driven

535
0:52:05 --> 0:52:14
independently of all other doctors and all other human beings and so so the opinion of a the

536
0:52:14 --> 0:52:20
opinion of a medical doctor was yeah anyone so you didn't have to have proof that what you were

537
0:52:20 --> 0:52:27
saying was correct but you're you got to hypothesize about the patient in front of you but the

538
0:52:27 --> 0:52:33
assumption was that you did your best for that patient and your job was to do that because

539
0:52:33 --> 0:52:38
without that understanding that you're always doing your best for the patient then you shouldn't be a

540
0:52:38 --> 0:52:46
doctor so my question so the opinion of a medical doctor who is acting autonomously with medical

541
0:52:46 --> 0:52:53
ethics in the best interest of the patient was the holy grail and that was set up for us and then

542
0:52:53 --> 0:52:59
this comes along so my question to you is this each so obviously you have to hypothesize sometimes

543
0:52:59 --> 0:53:03
otherwise you never get anywhere when you're trying to treat someone especially when they're very ill

544
0:53:03 --> 0:53:11
and you you just haven't got time um so um my question is this was there a pandemic or not

545
0:53:11 --> 0:53:11
in your opinion

546
0:53:11 --> 0:53:28
um wow um was the whole thing a fraud does do your gut feelings tell you that everything's gone

547
0:53:28 --> 0:53:34
that's gone on in the last three and a half years and before now we now understand was the whole

548
0:53:34 --> 0:53:40
thing a fraud from beginning to end so bearing in mind that deadly viruses

549
0:53:41 --> 0:53:47
uh you can't have a deadly viral pandemic because deadly and pandemic cannot coexist in the same

550
0:53:47 --> 0:53:55
sentence do you understand what i mean so i just wonder whether you think there was a pandemic

551
0:53:55 --> 0:54:02
do you think that there was a serious respiratory viral disease circulating the globe

552
0:54:03 --> 0:54:06
or was it all a lie because i couldn't see that it was diagnosed properly but you

553
0:54:07 --> 0:54:15
i just want your opinion ish i don't want to form your opinion i think that depends on who you ask

554
0:54:17 --> 0:54:22
i think that depends on who you ask i'd say if there's a pandemic for you then there's a pandemic

555
0:54:22 --> 0:54:27
for me for me i look at it like a blessing look i'm here with you well i just want to know what

556
0:54:27 --> 0:54:34
your opinion is your gut feeling from from my limited from a very limited knowledge from my

557
0:54:34 --> 0:54:40
the condition of medical school from germ theory and the other theory and everything i know

558
0:54:40 --> 0:54:44
from what they for what what they tell me and what if the my belief in pub med

559
0:54:45 --> 0:54:51
from all this conditioning it i saw some something that looked like a viral

560
0:54:52 --> 0:54:56
contagion which i think and affected those who are more immunocompromised

561
0:54:58 --> 0:55:05
but our response to it was a lot worse than what it was and the other evidence has shown

562
0:55:05 --> 0:55:11
that this thing whether it's a a flying genetic thing whether it's a virus whatever you want to

563
0:55:11 --> 0:55:17
call it this thing or kind of evil you can call it that as well this thing even fear let's say

564
0:55:17 --> 0:55:23
because this fear i could transcend everything if anything i learned in the in the panic in the

565
0:55:23 --> 0:55:30
actual pandemic what was worse than the virus was actually fear so for me yes i've written about the

566
0:55:30 --> 0:55:35
virus and the particles we can go down that route but i actually really am interested in the fear

567
0:55:35 --> 0:55:39
because fear is the thing that ruined everything we let so many absolutely absolutely i agree with

568
0:55:39 --> 0:55:45
you each but i'm so i'm not as so i wasn't saying that i don't believe in viruses i'm just saying

569
0:55:45 --> 0:55:52
that there was no pandemic but it may be the case that viruses don't exist as well but we haven't

570
0:55:52 --> 0:55:59
got time to look into that at the moment yeah i mean look if in my memory there seems to be a time

571
0:55:59 --> 0:56:06
where people were afraid and we relate to it and we talk about it now that's that's how much i know

572
0:56:06 --> 0:56:13
about the pandemic but in my when i look around i i focus more on the future now i just not even

573
0:56:13 --> 0:56:20
the future i just focus on the now i just i just go okay the pandemic happened yes but like what

574
0:56:20 --> 0:56:25
i can't really do anything anymore about the pandemic like i've written a book well i talked

575
0:56:25 --> 0:56:32
to people we have to we have to hold these people responsible for this massive fraud to account

576
0:56:32 --> 0:56:40
otherwise they'll do it again so um so you know i do think that people like you and i and charles

577
0:56:40 --> 0:56:47
and all the rest you know we have a responsibility to to um try to understand what happened as best

578
0:56:47 --> 0:56:55
we can and no we can't move on without holding people properly to account because that's a very

579
0:56:55 --> 0:57:01
dangerous state of affairs we can't have these people wandering politicians the the regulators

580
0:57:01 --> 0:57:09
the doctors you know who were responsible for whatever um certainly chris witty the the chief

581
0:57:09 --> 0:57:17
medical officer of england and others my my um sorry i think i should say i think it's sometimes

582
0:57:17 --> 0:57:25
it's very easy to confuse the state of just wanting to be with the now which i will say

583
0:57:25 --> 0:57:30
being closer to the lord as a state of kind of passivity it's like the kind of spiritual person

584
0:57:30 --> 0:57:35
is someone who needs to leave and leave their family and be celibate and go to the jungle and

585
0:57:35 --> 0:57:41
or go and pray all the time no no no i see everything as divine but i have my and yes if

586
0:57:41 --> 0:57:48
if it's in god's hands for them and it is in god's hands for whatever happens to these people who've

587
0:57:48 --> 0:57:53
kind of perfect who who've actually had this crime we all i'm doing and all i'm saying is

588
0:57:54 --> 0:58:00
every day is just lead me where you need to lead me i'm just going to be here with you and if that's

589
0:58:00 --> 0:58:05
whether we're whether it's in law whether i have to write another book or whether it's just

590
0:58:05 --> 0:58:12
enjoying nature then kind of so be it and so i've just given all my my powers kind of to it and

591
0:58:12 --> 0:58:17
because i know it is more kind of intelligent than me it's an infinite state i'm just i'm part of it

592
0:58:17 --> 0:58:25
so i just go you like i think i know you are perfect you can only be good do whatever you want

593
0:58:25 --> 0:58:31
so i can be with you more and i hope that you see people are suffering and i and i know you

594
0:58:31 --> 0:58:36
do because you are intelligent and i hope you see that people have done wrong and i and in my heart

595
0:58:36 --> 0:58:46
i know everything that you've done is for all good so i don't see a a combating good but just lead me

596
0:58:46 --> 0:58:51
to the right conversations i know you will lead me to the right kind of spaces i know you will

597
0:58:51 --> 0:58:57
make sure i'm healthy i know you will give me any food because i know you will i will accept

598
0:58:57 --> 0:59:02
anything from you if i have to be vegan if i have to eat meat that's that's okay so there's no

599
0:59:02 --> 0:59:10
thinking i just i just accept you so i'm i'm happy in that state and whether i'm so i i do uh kind of

600
0:59:10 --> 0:59:16
scientific consultations i just did this discussion i've kind of released books but i've done it with

601
0:59:16 --> 0:59:23
this love you know like i wrote this book because i needed to i had to come on like we need to help

602
0:59:23 --> 0:59:29
these people how can you not how how they're not like 87 87 books now trying to help there should

603
0:59:29 --> 0:59:36
be more books on how to help people than there are papers on the amount of damage everyone should

604
0:59:36 --> 0:59:41
be online okay so then it brings to the point where yes doctors are leaders but the patient

605
0:59:41 --> 0:59:47
is also a leader as well so is everyone else like i come to the point everyone is is kind of is

606
0:59:47 --> 0:59:54
their leader so um you have to look after yourself and the only way to understand this is by

607
0:59:54 --> 1:00:00
understanding that um so yeah the the question of if the pandemic is real or not is dependent on

608
1:00:00 --> 1:00:07
the individual ask ask an ant or ask a a mushroom and they were like what there's there was no

609
1:00:07 --> 1:00:15
pandemic if you if you ask a star millions of miles away doesn't care if you have to because

610
1:00:15 --> 1:00:20
you have to understand that as well because your life there was nothing else you we can have this

611
1:00:20 --> 1:00:26
this conversation and tomorrow you're you're dead so sometimes worrying about something too much is

612
1:00:27 --> 1:00:31
there's also negative and it sometimes it's difficult because it comes from love i'm not

613
1:00:31 --> 1:00:36
saying don't but really go okay how can i quiet in the inner this i'd have to make kind of peace

614
1:00:36 --> 1:00:42
with it or look into it and if not what what steps can i do to make peace with this so whether

615
1:00:42 --> 1:00:48
that's talking up writing a book uh kind of healing your trauma that gets you closer to this kind of

616
1:00:48 --> 1:00:53
quietness then you could live your life very happily then actually this world that we call

617
1:00:53 --> 1:00:57
hell and this confusion becomes very easy to navigate you've got kind of artificial intelligence

618
1:00:57 --> 1:01:04
coming up amazing invention we don't have to work and uh you know work 95 anymore and kind of you

619
1:01:04 --> 1:01:11
know and i kill ourselves we can focus on actual things that can help us those yes people will have

620
1:01:11 --> 1:01:17
jobs will leave but all the candle makers thought one day you know they they never thought they would

621
1:01:17 --> 1:01:22
have no jobs this this is just mankind's kind of evolution accept it use it to your kind of be

622
1:01:25 --> 1:01:32
be powerful with it come with uh divinity and love and understand like it's okay so use ai use apps

623
1:01:32 --> 1:01:38
like you don't have to always see these things as bad yes yes the the kind of pandemic happened it

624
1:01:38 --> 1:01:43
was difficult on people they were suffering yes i'm not i'm not denying that people should be

625
1:01:44 --> 1:01:50
locked up i'm not denying that um it was wrong i'm not denying that but we need to move forward

626
1:01:50 --> 1:01:54
because it was it's in the bestest best kind of interest in every in everyone's life we have to

627
1:01:55 --> 1:02:04
um yeah basically okay ish thank you thank you steven excellent question discussion all right

628
1:02:04 --> 1:02:11
we've got some hands up so we'll now go to john look at first in texas or texas john or florida

629
1:02:12 --> 1:02:21
virginia oh gosh i keep yes thank you sorry it's a no it's no place um each that was the best

630
1:02:21 --> 1:02:28
non-answer fence sitting position i've ever heard i i understand though um where you're coming from

631
1:02:29 --> 1:02:37
did it exist for you well i can i can only speak for myself it existed for me um and i i watched

632
1:02:38 --> 1:02:45
just in horror uh the effects it had on a lot of people you know i took this defensive position

633
1:02:45 --> 1:02:51
because it was so offensive um you know i'm going to throw out just kind of an open question to you

634
1:02:51 --> 1:02:58
and it's i know you probably haven't uh even looked down any of the same rabbit holes i have

635
1:02:58 --> 1:03:04
but you know i'll put one in the chat that's just kind of a place anyone interested can go if they

636
1:03:04 --> 1:03:12
want to lose themselves down a bottomless well um this is just one link on a page that i spent

637
1:03:12 --> 1:03:19
probably 50 hours trolling through just seeing what the hell was there um it just has to do with

638
1:03:19 --> 1:03:28
um every kind of uh artificial mental and physical manipulation somebody in the world has come up with

639
1:03:28 --> 1:03:38
as a form of duress um and there's a lot of fear porn out there where you have you know people

640
1:03:38 --> 1:03:44
running around showing you know this patent that patent this experiment that you know witness that

641
1:03:45 --> 1:03:49
you know they're they're so they're so powerful they're so capable of turning us into remote

642
1:03:49 --> 1:03:54
control toys we won't even know they're doing it uh how can you trust your own mind i mean

643
1:03:55 --> 1:04:03
you know i think that on a limited scale a lot of this probably is possible i mean if you put enough

644
1:04:03 --> 1:04:10
pressure on somebody and do enough experimentation on them you can turn and train a human to be

645
1:04:10 --> 1:04:15
something completely unrecognizable but i don't think that you know you could just

646
1:04:17 --> 1:04:23
i don't know point a satellite at a country and do it to everybody in the same fashion

647
1:04:23 --> 1:04:29
i do think that there are shades of influence that are possible and some of them are pretty easy

648
1:04:29 --> 1:04:33
you know there are seven different emotional states i can put you in just by

649
1:04:33 --> 1:04:38
beaming the right ray gun at you with the right modulation so you know there's kind of stuff that

650
1:04:39 --> 1:04:44
we're vulnerable to just by owning some of these devices apps technologies and so forth

651
1:04:46 --> 1:04:51
here's what i'm wondering and you know we don't know each other i just have your background on

652
1:04:51 --> 1:04:57
the introduction here to go by let's just assume for a minute that you're great at all that stuff

653
1:04:58 --> 1:05:03
what is and i'll use something i'll say it the way steven said what's your gut tell you

654
1:05:04 --> 1:05:12
based on your expertise do you see any evidence of you know any of your personal experience or

655
1:05:12 --> 1:05:19
just you know things you things you see the way people react of some kind of artificial influence

656
1:05:19 --> 1:05:25
i mean i'm not saying it's in everybody i'm just saying when i look at you know mitch mcconnell

657
1:05:25 --> 1:05:30
glitching out and just staring into space when he's on the podium being asked direct questions got to

658
1:05:30 --> 1:05:35
be led off when i see politicians with aids standing behind them that are mouthing the

659
1:05:35 --> 1:05:41
words that are coming out of their mouth even the mistakes i mean these are very weird you know

660
1:05:41 --> 1:05:47
instances every one of those kinds of things has an explanation on that creepy website about exactly

661
1:05:47 --> 1:05:53
how that's accomplished you know nefariously um i don't know what to make of it you know i mean

662
1:05:54 --> 1:06:01
is it evidence is it just you know another weird video all i'm asking is um what your experience is

663
1:06:01 --> 1:06:07
as an expert you know and the things you study and are interested in do you think a lot of this

664
1:06:08 --> 1:06:14
is coming from a natural human reaction or you think there's something going on even

665
1:06:14 --> 1:06:19
to some degree anywhere that just looks weird to you just unnatural

666
1:06:19 --> 1:06:27
it depends what vector and where you want to take this now you want to take because

667
1:06:30 --> 1:06:39
because of the difficulty of um feeling kind of crazy because sometimes on this spiritual path

668
1:06:39 --> 1:06:43
because everyone because you ask more and more questions you begin to ask questions and you're

669
1:06:43 --> 1:06:50
like am i going crazy okay so to do that i had some safety nets so one of them was

670
1:06:52 --> 1:06:59
was david bohme's theory of quantum mechanics okay so for me he was a saint he just wrote the lord

671
1:06:59 --> 1:07:06
in quantum okay now oberheim knew this and so did all his colleagues david bohm had in kind of quantum

672
1:07:07 --> 1:07:14
sense given us a glimpse of what god is okay and i find it extremely funny because i was reading

673
1:07:15 --> 1:07:22
david bohme's book and you actually say um and you you actually said um you know do you think

674
1:07:22 --> 1:07:27
there's like a glitch in the matrix what's happening have you have you experienced

675
1:07:27 --> 1:07:32
uh synchronicities have you experienced um maybe a dream of someone and all of a sudden

676
1:07:33 --> 1:07:37
they're giving you a call have you gone to your mom's house needing something and then she's like

677
1:07:37 --> 1:07:44
here and you're like what like i wanted pizza like how did you know this like

678
1:07:45 --> 1:07:54
all of those things all of this yes so um david bohme he he understood that knowledge itself

679
1:07:54 --> 1:07:57
knowledge itself was embedded in the in the actual universe which is the same

680
1:07:58 --> 1:08:02
understanding as the ancient text that the universe is consciousness itself is internet

681
1:08:02 --> 1:08:08
consciousness um and it has to be because it made you and you that appreciate it is also

682
1:08:08 --> 1:08:14
consciousness so it depends on the vector that you take so the element of intellect or knowledge

683
1:08:14 --> 1:08:19
is there but to truly appreciate it you have to look at knowledge itself you have to transcend

684
1:08:19 --> 1:08:24
knowledge that's the kind of funny trick that it kind of plays itself you have to transcend that

685
1:08:24 --> 1:08:31
so david bohme explains that there's an infinite realm and basically our um our particles that we

686
1:08:31 --> 1:08:35
call electrons and whatnot you know scientists have had a very good very difficult time in

687
1:08:35 --> 1:08:44
uh quantum because they can't explain um what it is they take a measurement it's there they take

688
1:08:44 --> 1:08:49
another minute they take another measurement is there but they're like why did this move like this

689
1:08:49 --> 1:08:54
so you have the you have the double split kind of experiment so people were like uh controlling

690
1:08:54 --> 1:09:01
and said it was because the way uh the particle you know kind of travels like a particle and like a

691
1:09:01 --> 1:09:07
wave and that's kind of true right because we always have to say what i'm talking about here is

692
1:09:07 --> 1:09:14
just quantum and it could be completely wrong but i'm saying um there are some truths that are more

693
1:09:14 --> 1:09:19
truthful than other truths some some frequencies that vibrate at a higher high more universal

694
1:09:19 --> 1:09:24
kind of frequencies there's some theories that are more correct if you know what i mean so um

695
1:09:25 --> 1:09:34
so david bohme's work david bohme said no there must be he used um newtonian physics and he put

696
1:09:34 --> 1:09:39
it into quantum and made this equation and to make it work there had to be this special

697
1:09:40 --> 1:09:47
little denominator which he called the quantum potential okay so the quantum potential basically

698
1:09:47 --> 1:09:54
means is that we have a we have the material world here but underneath it there's a dance happening

699
1:09:54 --> 1:09:59
a quantum dance happening that actually creates this quantum there's actual quantum material

700
1:09:59 --> 1:10:07
world and this dance is basically like if you would see a radio signal on a ship now we think

701
1:10:07 --> 1:10:13
because the ship is big it should be able to navigate itself but the the the navigation is

702
1:10:13 --> 1:10:21
not reliant on force it's relying the direction is very weak as compared to the ship's um kind

703
1:10:21 --> 1:10:31
of movement in a kind of wave so that wave is a 3d wave on a 2d structure or a different kind of

704
1:10:31 --> 1:10:36
element in a contour itself but david bohme saying all elements have like this wave that they are

705
1:10:38 --> 1:10:44
um kind of created okay if i could if i could make this easier for you i i know where you're

706
1:10:44 --> 1:10:53
going with this i believe um you're a radio and you're to some degree or another uh able to

707
1:10:53 --> 1:11:02
receive instruction perception awareness from whatever the source of that is um i guess my

708
1:11:02 --> 1:11:09
question is more about it obviously we don't know with any degree of certainty what the actual

709
1:11:09 --> 1:11:15
mechanism of action is that allows that type of communication to happen there's a lot of opinions

710
1:11:15 --> 1:11:23
about it so i'm very good um but if somebody does or somebody has grasped enough of how it works to

711
1:11:23 --> 1:11:32
be able to interfere with it in various ways i guess what i'm trying to get at is um do you think

712
1:11:32 --> 1:11:40
that you see that going on um you know when you talk about physics you talk about the things that

713
1:11:40 --> 1:11:45
we can influence you know physical matter influencing physical matter we've got a bunch

714
1:11:45 --> 1:11:51
of rules they work within you know a range of uh perception and then there's these very tiny

715
1:11:51 --> 1:11:59
quantum realms and these majestic larger realms and higher uh perceptive places that we can only

716
1:11:59 --> 1:12:04
speculate about dimensions and whatnot i mean we're in the spot we're in we're dealing with what

717
1:12:04 --> 1:12:12
we can deal with and we're trying very hard to expand that awareness um but you know if you ever

718
1:12:14 --> 1:12:20
if somebody ever actually figured out a good amount of something that the rest of us can't

719
1:12:20 --> 1:12:27
really touch or measure or anything and can trick us with it that's that's the sorcery right

720
1:12:28 --> 1:12:33
so i just want to know if you think it's going on you think that maybe somebody has

721
1:12:33 --> 1:12:42
got a leg up on this i i bring up david bone's work because this man he describes in the quantum

722
1:12:42 --> 1:12:50
way in science it's important because science is now looked as god people you you can't deny that

723
1:12:50 --> 1:12:54
this is why people have injections in their arms because we thought science was god we were like

724
1:12:55 --> 1:13:00
agreed it's it's it's going to save us it's going to help us so we're gonna so we're going to just

725
1:13:00 --> 1:13:06
listen to it and that's fine i'm not saying it's not but david bone using uh quantum physics which

726
1:13:06 --> 1:13:12
is everything so quantum is basically what happens uh in the quantum level which where um normal

727
1:13:12 --> 1:13:20
day-to-day newtonian kind of physics it doesn't work and no one knows why so this man single-handedly

728
1:13:20 --> 1:13:24
understood it wrote a textbook on it the most intellectual individual there not not i would

729
1:13:24 --> 1:13:29
know he more intellectual than kind of albert anstein than kind of uh kind of openheimer he he

730
1:13:30 --> 1:13:37
they doubted him so he wrote a textbook on quantum so um this man had an intellect level 99 so god

731
1:13:37 --> 1:13:43
gave him intellect level 99 let's just let's just say that we have me researchers who couldn't get

732
1:13:43 --> 1:13:48
the pandemic this man was had a different mind let's just let's put them that he wrote and he

733
1:13:48 --> 1:13:55
understood because he saw the world differently no there's a quantum realm he basically he he

734
1:13:55 --> 1:14:02
he showed that there was a heaven he he basically explained to people um that quantum physics has

735
1:14:02 --> 1:14:06
explained this and you know what he did for the rest of his life he didn't preach or anything

736
1:14:06 --> 1:14:12
he he wrote books on uh dialogue he spent the rest of his life he knew what the most and the most

737
1:14:12 --> 1:14:18
important thing to do for mankind was to have this dialogue so he he spent the rest of his life

738
1:14:18 --> 1:14:24
actually writing books on dialogue writing books on creativity of this was the universal energy

739
1:14:24 --> 1:14:29
because he knew that there was nothing else to do this is infinite energy what's what is really

740
1:14:29 --> 1:14:35
quantum gonna do unless people understand it you can't do much with it so it's like uh it is what

741
1:14:35 --> 1:14:44
is it is it not like i like i get it it can feel um very it's like why is it helpful but to those

742
1:14:44 --> 1:14:51
who understand it can be very helpful because it can unshackle some of this um need for science to

743
1:14:51 --> 1:14:56
be a religion so one once science has been disproven now which which kind david berm did so

744
1:14:57 --> 1:15:03
they exiled him so this is someone you should listen to they exiled him open how my use david

745
1:15:03 --> 1:15:09
berms plasma research to make the atom bomb and they didn't put david berms name in the film

746
1:15:10 --> 1:15:15
there's a reason for this come on look at you they rewrite history there's a reason why open

747
1:15:15 --> 1:15:18
open heimer is a film now they focus on his mind and how it's okay to kill

748
1:15:20 --> 1:15:27
yeah boom was saying no no no no no no no and they they exiled him and then anyway he went down this

749
1:15:27 --> 1:15:33
kind of spiritual route and he he showed the existence of um this state open heimer and his

750
1:15:33 --> 1:15:38
colleagues read it and david berm was like well this will change science if you if you understand

751
1:15:38 --> 1:15:43
this concept it will change all of science you look back and go okay and if nothing make if if

752
1:15:43 --> 1:15:49
everything we've worked for right now makes no sense because it's garbage in this in this level

753
1:15:49 --> 1:15:54
then we need to restart and focus our our our thing is that's not what they want they want us to

754
1:15:54 --> 1:16:03
misunderstand it yes yes but at the end of day it to to enter this realm let's say of understanding

755
1:16:03 --> 1:16:10
because as long as you have thought and thinking and the suffering of thought you will be manipulated

756
1:16:10 --> 1:16:15
as long as you have fear they will manipulate you using fear so you can transcend fear so i can go

757
1:16:15 --> 1:16:21
down the new uh the kind of cortisol route or the kind of hrv route but you want to control the mind

758
1:16:21 --> 1:16:26
and your thought and your fear you want to be you want to transcend it now this is why i said in the

759
1:16:26 --> 1:16:32
past i've actually tweeted i see the world as a place where it will be you will see saints and

760
1:16:32 --> 1:16:36
we will see angels and which what i mean is not anything from the sky or anything like that and

761
1:16:36 --> 1:16:42
maybe you might but i think people will just avoid this mess some people will just live in the state

762
1:16:43 --> 1:16:46
avoid this mess some people will just be led by fear

763
1:16:49 --> 1:16:57
yep okay um i'll uh i'll throw a poem by we henley that speaks to that in the chat

764
1:16:57 --> 1:17:09
thank you for your response okay gabriel did you did you drop out or did you

765
1:17:10 --> 1:17:16
oh i'm still here excellent well you had your hand up and then we got shasta so um because i know

766
1:17:16 --> 1:17:22
zoom is playing havoc with hands up so do you have a question for each or should we go to shesta

767
1:17:22 --> 1:17:28
shesta um yeah i just wanted to expand a bit because i know there was a bit of back and forth over

768
1:17:29 --> 1:17:33
you know whether the pandemic was real or not and i try to differentiate between you know there was

769
1:17:33 --> 1:17:40
between you know there was this sociological event that where a lot of this damage took place

770
1:17:40 --> 1:17:44
and to me somebody saying whether or not it you know there was a pandemic or not doesn't

771
1:17:44 --> 1:17:50
necessarily tell me whether they believe the deaths were caused by sars-cov-2 or you know

772
1:17:50 --> 1:17:54
hospital measures or other things that were happening at the same time i think it's helpful

773
1:17:54 --> 1:18:00
to at least be clear and separate what somebody means when they say i don't believe you know x

774
1:18:00 --> 1:18:05
happened or that you do believe you know why happened in that scenario and the other thing

775
1:18:05 --> 1:18:12
when it comes to love and responsibility you know um i don't think that accountability you know

776
1:18:12 --> 1:18:18
holding officials accountable or even prosecuting them under the law is in any way incompatible

777
1:18:18 --> 1:18:23
with love in fact if you actually recognize that these people were human beings like sd would be

778
1:18:23 --> 1:18:28
comfortable holding them to the same standard we would like ourselves to be held under um when it

779
1:18:28 --> 1:18:34
comes to hurting other people and so i do think that there is a kind of overcautiousness where

780
1:18:34 --> 1:18:39
people are like oh we have to come from a place of love which to many people almost seems to imply

781
1:18:39 --> 1:18:45
that nobody should be held accountable and to me i think we are doing them a favor by giving them

782
1:18:45 --> 1:18:51
an opportunity to actually you know repent for crimes rather than have a lot of hanging animosity

783
1:18:52 --> 1:18:57
you will hopefully one day like i'm like i'm going to say from my experience you will actually thank

784
1:18:57 --> 1:19:05
them and you will go thank you for um the suffering now people get that twisted and they go well that

785
1:19:05 --> 1:19:10
means you're kind of letting them go no like the universe will look will will kind of deal with

786
1:19:10 --> 1:19:18
that but like it's a it's a hard thing to get your head around and most people maybe not

787
1:19:19 --> 1:19:23
to get your head around and most people maybe not but for me i'm like at a stage where i'm like um

788
1:19:25 --> 1:19:31
you know it's a good time for repent like it's good time for forgiveness really like real

789
1:19:31 --> 1:19:35
forgiveness like actually actually forgive yourself you know i mean like sit on a bench

790
1:19:36 --> 1:19:41
have a cigarette like i don't care and actually just forgive yourself forgive stuff because a lot

791
1:19:41 --> 1:19:44
people did stuff actually in the pandemic so we have to remember like this is for everyone like

792
1:19:45 --> 1:19:51
things we're not proud of people we could have interacted differently with both sides not one or

793
1:19:51 --> 1:19:57
the other and there's a division we all say this is division so the only way is by for an undivided

794
1:19:57 --> 1:20:02
whole is for everyone to be on the same page there's only one same page there is only one same page

795
1:20:02 --> 1:20:09
that's all i'm going to say but um but yeah like you that doesn't mean yeah uh because spirituality

796
1:20:09 --> 1:20:15
doesn't mean uh passivity you can maybe the most loveliest thing you can do at that time

797
1:20:15 --> 1:20:22
for bill gates is open the door but like another time the the most loveliest thing we can do if

798
1:20:22 --> 1:20:27
he's the one that we need to get and it's to help him why does he have so much kind of trauma

799
1:20:28 --> 1:20:33
why is he doing this why is there so much darkness in him they're like like that's just think about

800
1:20:33 --> 1:20:41
this is man who's mentally unwell he is he's mentally unwell he is in the in the medical sense

801
1:20:41 --> 1:20:47
he's lost he's incongruent he is the definition of crazy he says something he does something

802
1:20:47 --> 1:20:51
like he wants to pop this and he wants to i don't know whether he wants to whether he's being led to

803
1:20:51 --> 1:20:57
if he's a puppet regardless this thing that we think he is is very confused like why are we

804
1:20:57 --> 1:21:03
listening to it you wouldn't go down the street and if someone and you would if you judge that

805
1:21:03 --> 1:21:08
person if you think they are crazy you wouldn't listen to them right so why are you giving this

806
1:21:08 --> 1:21:14
person more power than that person either you listen to everyone the same or you forget everyone

807
1:21:15 --> 1:21:22
like you have to like um really understand like this um you know the the best way sometimes to

808
1:21:22 --> 1:21:33
destabilise a source is to ignore it cut off the nutrients in the cancer leaders are really poor

809
1:21:33 --> 1:21:39
we have really poor leaders they are not really they're not intellectual a good leader is someone

810
1:21:39 --> 1:21:46
with power and power is either fear or love they've lost the fear front we we don't see them as

811
1:21:46 --> 1:21:53
powerful we we make memes come on we make me we laugh at them they and they know this so they

812
1:21:53 --> 1:21:58
take so they double down on the on the pain the more you fear the more power you give away that's

813
1:21:58 --> 1:22:06
all you do all you can do is love or fear there's no both you can't love is the first feeling is

814
1:22:06 --> 1:22:11
what the heart sings it lives in the in the other dimension if you walk past a poor person and your

815
1:22:11 --> 1:22:16
heart says to give money that's what love says the mind comes and fear comes and goes oh yeah but you

816
1:22:16 --> 1:22:21
don't have money now that that the the kind of christ-like thing to do you can say at the moment

817
1:22:21 --> 1:22:26
was to listen to your heart or your soul or your spirit and just give the money doesn't matter give

818
1:22:26 --> 1:22:31
who cares what happens to the money and then if you do that then if you form a relationship with

819
1:22:31 --> 1:22:36
it and it just gives you money later on it doesn't matter this person needed more at that moment so

820
1:22:36 --> 1:22:45
all you have is a now right so um often attention again i'm sorry but yes i can you know

821
1:22:46 --> 1:22:51
i don't know where to take this okay no that's that's that's explained gabriel any thoughts

822
1:22:51 --> 1:22:59
before we go to shasta who seems to have dropped off for a moment nope i'm good he can go ahead

823
1:23:00 --> 1:23:07
okay thank thank you excellent question so um this question of fear you know my favorite

824
1:23:07 --> 1:23:16
acronym that i use in many of my presentations um ish is forget everything and run

825
1:23:18 --> 1:23:24
and i and there's another nice acronym i talked about in fact in my in my show yesterday episode

826
1:23:24 --> 1:23:35
167 my my podcast face everything and rise you know and this this whole idea of fear in my view

827
1:23:35 --> 1:23:42
fear is an expectation of pain and what you're touching on is i can't give money to this poor

828
1:23:42 --> 1:23:50
person because i might run out and so and so fear is an expectation of pain we're driven by pleasure

829
1:23:50 --> 1:23:56
and pain for each one of it's a different it's a different illusion for some people like steven

830
1:23:56 --> 1:24:02
watching women's sport is painful and for me i was a member of the australian women's water polo team

831
1:24:02 --> 1:24:09
as a referee i have to say but um you know i love watching women's tennis compared to men's tennis

832
1:24:10 --> 1:24:16
and but steven says no you see pleasure and pain we have different equations but fear is simply

833
1:24:16 --> 1:24:25
an expectation of pain of some sort then my question is this it is my observation that

834
1:24:25 --> 1:24:34
my that our system has designed us to consider all pain to be bad and therefore and therefore

835
1:24:34 --> 1:24:42
avoid pain at all costs my i'm really talking about what's your perspective on our capacity

836
1:24:42 --> 1:24:49
to actually bear whatever we define as pain but our capacity to bear it and therefore from your

837
1:24:49 --> 1:24:54
answer to go hey listen what are you scared about pain for that's my question and i look at him

838
1:24:54 --> 1:25:01
i look at history and i've read read many books and human beings we are simply extraordinary at

839
1:25:01 --> 1:25:12
our ability to bear pain look we are perfect like every single thing we have every emotion

840
1:25:12 --> 1:25:21
every organ whether we cut it out or not um our skin it's perfect it's made perfectly it's made

841
1:25:22 --> 1:25:28
it's made no as perfect as a stars it's made as perfect as zebras as tigers as sheep as it look

842
1:25:28 --> 1:25:33
if you go on a farm and look at these animals you're like like how look if you look at a rose

843
1:25:33 --> 1:25:38
like how look at the intricate nature of a rose why rose why was a rose made of everything

844
1:25:39 --> 1:25:46
like you know just understand that you are part of this kind of poem um and you have to understand

845
1:25:46 --> 1:25:54
when you see it this way pain what what is pain pain is necessary without pain your mother won't

846
1:25:54 --> 1:26:00
love you as much she needs to have pain that pain of childbirth gives the the baby the best

847
1:26:01 --> 1:26:07
tool for survival it's the best it's the best the mom who has no pain a numb woman doesn't

848
1:26:07 --> 1:26:14
understand that she had to she had to nearly die now that is a sort of love so in that back

849
1:26:15 --> 1:26:18
we don't do that as much but that sort of pain can you can actually transcend someone

850
1:26:19 --> 1:26:26
because you're giving your pain away to this baby so you go in that moment i do not matter so you

851
1:26:26 --> 1:26:29
know you know when you walk past a poor person you go because you think you matter more than the

852
1:26:29 --> 1:26:34
person you don't want to get money that moment a woman would give birth and say no if i die it's

853
1:26:34 --> 1:26:40
okay i want the baby what so you know in like a car crash what does the lady say is the baby okay

854
1:26:40 --> 1:26:46
they don't care about themselves so the woman uh men as well you know we don't have to make it

855
1:26:46 --> 1:26:52
this way but pain is necessary pain in in any sense necessary so i say like you know in the

856
1:26:52 --> 1:27:00
hindu culture in astrology we have uh satin satin in numerology is a teacher so people hate satin

857
1:27:00 --> 1:27:05
so satin is basically it comes over you and you know when you're born it's basically everyone

858
1:27:05 --> 1:27:12
says it's bad luck but if you have a certain other you know luck and other karma and other

859
1:27:12 --> 1:27:21
things if you have the knowledge to understand satin then once it leaves you become knowledgeable

860
1:27:21 --> 1:27:29
about fear okay so basically if you understand fear i say satin because satin is a very humble

861
1:27:29 --> 1:27:34
thing it wants you to be humbled it humbles you and it wants you to kind of scrub the toilet

862
1:27:34 --> 1:27:39
there's some things like in the kind of horoscope which like the sun and stuff like that kind of

863
1:27:39 --> 1:27:45
gives you wealth while satin it said it doesn't like the sun in that in that way because it likes

864
1:27:45 --> 1:27:51
to be humble so it humbles you fear humbles you it's supposed to humble you when you give birth

865
1:27:51 --> 1:27:55
this fear of god is a humbling fear it's not like i'm scared because i'm doing something wrong you

866
1:27:55 --> 1:28:00
shouldn't be doing anything wrong for you to fear it it's a fear of humbling it's like you're bigger

867
1:28:00 --> 1:28:07
than me cool like when you're in the sea you know by yourself you know like that those moments

868
1:28:07 --> 1:28:12
where you allow it but you can only feel those moments if you go past fear you have to go into

869
1:28:12 --> 1:28:19
the ocean to be near death to go okay you have to jump that cliff if that's your life you have to

870
1:28:19 --> 1:28:25
you have to you have to save people sometimes it's your life sometimes the sacrifice is your life

871
1:28:26 --> 1:28:33
and if it's the right the right sacrifice and it's always through love like it's you know very easy

872
1:28:33 --> 1:28:37
to go through like oh it could be through hate and people can take it in the wrong way god works

873
1:28:37 --> 1:28:44
through love that's that's it because if you have no fear there is only love so psychologically

874
1:28:44 --> 1:28:54
neurochemically in the quantum world the self the ego that comes with the fear is a is i say it's a

875
1:28:54 --> 1:29:00
torture it's satan the bad satan if it if you let it if you let it if you understand if you look

876
1:29:00 --> 1:29:06
at satan for what it is it becomes an angel you understand that it's part of god so it doesn't

877
1:29:06 --> 1:29:12
let you don't let it suffer anymore you just sit on top of it that's why shiva sits on top of his

878
1:29:12 --> 1:29:16
mind that's that's the tiger the tiger's not a literal tiger these are all symbols he sits with

879
1:29:16 --> 1:29:22
his eyes closed because he can see god with his eye but he needs to sit on his mind first so it's

880
1:29:22 --> 1:29:28
very important and if you want to or not and i could this could all be blabber but it's very

881
1:29:28 --> 1:29:33
important to understand that this fear and mind is rooted and i can explain it down the vegas nerve

882
1:29:33 --> 1:29:40
root uh pregnenolone uh you know cortisol the dmn you know cancilla cybin can do this

883
1:29:40 --> 1:29:47
the kind of i can explain it that way and then ibram thought the inner capsule of the mind was a

884
1:29:47 --> 1:29:56
a kind of hologram and the the um kind of we had consistency inside which would reflect um the pure

885
1:29:56 --> 1:29:59
entity inside our minds but our thinking was the thing that gets in the way then you combine it

886
1:29:59 --> 1:30:05
with the chakras and the upwards energy of the serpent then this is come on this is ancient

887
1:30:05 --> 1:30:10
knowledge i could take this down any route but everyone in this conversation will be like oh

888
1:30:10 --> 1:30:15
that doesn't make sense like even the biochemical sense the quantum sense there there is this

889
1:30:15 --> 1:30:21
understanding and like i said health is different uh layers for understanding of it is different

890
1:30:21 --> 1:30:29
layers but remember it picks you god chooses you for you to know it so um the ego you is even there

891
1:30:29 --> 1:30:36
you need to be when you meditate when you pray be careful it's very easy to go oh okay i uh i see it

892
1:30:36 --> 1:30:42
i'm more spiritual uh you know than others no no no no simple be humble like that that's what i tell

893
1:30:42 --> 1:30:47
myself like this is a gift uh it's a gift to be in this conversation it's a gift to talk to people

894
1:30:47 --> 1:30:52
it's good to be alive it's good to wake up every morning there's i know friends who died why did i

895
1:30:52 --> 1:30:58
write my book because uh my friend of mine took the job and he died i knew uh kanamai god liked his

896
1:30:58 --> 1:31:05
first hand i like i know death firsthand it's not i want to have a good time as well so like as well

897
1:31:05 --> 1:31:08
as um we have these conversations and they're serious and they should be just because they're

898
1:31:08 --> 1:31:14
serious doesn't mean we don't have to have fun you can have fun very seriously um you can ride

899
1:31:14 --> 1:31:20
this wave you can if you sit on your mind if you see satan if you face him that means filtering your

900
1:31:20 --> 1:31:26
thoughts just just just if you be christ-like that's all you have to do just be good you know if your

901
1:31:26 --> 1:31:32
heart says they just do it it would only lead you to goodness um but this is what i specialize in

902
1:31:32 --> 1:31:40
with my company the vessel is um is damaged and the vaccine's worse than it so kind of

903
1:31:40 --> 1:31:44
oxytocin gets worse and so that's a love woman that gets worse and i think there's an obsession

904
1:31:44 --> 1:31:48
deficiency in many people that's the vaccine damage there's a vagus nerve issue there's an

905
1:31:48 --> 1:31:56
autonomic issue this makes people stressed angry very confused hurtful so it becomes quite difficult

906
1:31:56 --> 1:32:02
you have to be very the love you have to be quite kind of cunning to with love kind of deal with

907
1:32:02 --> 1:32:09
these people also we need to help them so that's my area of understanding help the human

908
1:32:10 --> 1:32:17
uh potential rise up rise above what we think is kind of is kind of here excellent

909
1:32:17 --> 1:32:25
but so surely to help people in the present situation uh when all these medical counter

910
1:32:25 --> 1:32:34
measures for a purported pandemic were in my opinion not justified uh and actually were

911
1:32:34 --> 1:32:40
contrary to medical ethics and most importantly of all lack of informed consent there was never

912
1:32:41 --> 1:32:47
any possibility of informed consent being obtained for any of the injections um so

913
1:32:49 --> 1:32:55
surely uh to be kind to these people then you need to help them to understand what went on

914
1:32:56 --> 1:33:01
and to remove the danger of them going for further injections because loads of people

915
1:33:01 --> 1:33:08
are now lining up to have flu vaccinations in inverted commas in the uk so

916
1:33:09 --> 1:33:14
i'm not sure that i agree with your kind of laissez-faire uh it sounds like laissez-faire

917
1:33:14 --> 1:33:20
to me you know leave everything to god when actually god allows a lot of suffering so i

918
1:33:20 --> 1:33:26
do believe that this is i've come to understand that this is a spiritual war i really envy people

919
1:33:26 --> 1:33:33
i don't envy anybody actually but i really wish i had uh some kind of um

920
1:33:33 --> 1:33:38
of um the kind of peace of mind that comes with knowing you're going to heaven

921
1:33:38 --> 1:33:45
going to heaven one day and being surrounded by angels you know i wish i could believe this

922
1:33:45 --> 1:33:54
um it seems strange to me that god shows himself to some and not to others even when some of the

923
1:33:54 --> 1:34:02
others who he doesn't show himself to are actually good people we i think we're all we're all good

924
1:34:02 --> 1:34:10
people um and it depends on karma i think it's just if you really want to if you want to think

925
1:34:10 --> 1:34:19
about it like the as god itself doesn't really care it's like i tell people do you care about

926
1:34:19 --> 1:34:24
the ant what they ate the one you drove over when you went on your trip to africa no you you

927
1:34:25 --> 1:34:32
you were dealing with this infiniteness that it might do it might care about us but we can

928
1:34:32 --> 1:34:39
only hope it does let's just put it that way we can only hope it does um so we can in that state

929
1:34:39 --> 1:34:47
be like oh god hates me or we can say god loves me like you have that ability okay so but to really

930
1:34:47 --> 1:34:55
say god is this is um is actually a force isn't it like uh if god's infinite how dare i say anything

931
1:34:55 --> 1:35:00
about god so like i always tell you this is just through my experience from my understanding um

932
1:35:01 --> 1:35:07
like i said it's very easy to also um see this as being passive look i left my work

933
1:35:07 --> 1:35:15
i wrote i've written four books one is to help the nhs uh one is to help those who are vaccinated and i

934
1:35:15 --> 1:35:24
um uncover all lies i did it with no money i did it um whilst uh was on the doll at the same time

935
1:35:24 --> 1:35:29
i was writing three other books uh um one is now recently recently released about

936
1:35:31 --> 1:35:35
mushrooms their kind of medicinal properties and then one in between kind of came to me

937
1:35:36 --> 1:35:44
so i've not been i've not been lazy i i just focused my time on i've leveraged it uh you know

938
1:35:45 --> 1:35:50
but it's a difference between are people ready for the book this is what this is what it taught me

939
1:35:50 --> 1:35:57
i i put so much kind of behind these things but i asked even clare craig and uh she even she said

940
1:35:57 --> 1:36:03
people don't buy her books it's it's it's it doesn't make sense it doesn't make sense when you go you

941
1:36:03 --> 1:36:06
know if you don't understand it but if you go if you understand that these people have been

942
1:36:06 --> 1:36:12
psyops they are unwell they have a lot of them have trauma they've taken jabs which makes them

943
1:36:12 --> 1:36:15
confused that's this is the last thing they want to think about they just want to have a good time

944
1:36:16 --> 1:36:23
they might be right maybe for them this maybe for people they don't want to be said oh this is

945
1:36:23 --> 1:36:29
bad what we can do is help those who come to us and just be open i say be like a tree you're

946
1:36:29 --> 1:36:34
always there there's fruit if you want it if you don't there's no fruit if you want to leave my

947
1:36:34 --> 1:36:41
shade it's cool but i'm here that's all you can do you can't um you can pray you can will um but

948
1:36:41 --> 1:36:47
it's the divine law whether some people do or not now to worry about that too much is it takes you

949
1:36:47 --> 1:36:52
on the loop again and then you go oh am i doing is this right it is wrong what should i do and

950
1:36:52 --> 1:36:57
you get confused i left my work i was like this is incongruent i don't want to think about it left it

951
1:36:57 --> 1:37:02
people still umming i'm making an r-ring that causes too much too much confusion they're like

952
1:37:02 --> 1:37:07
i want to leave my work i want to do this so i left it i and i i think personally i was fairly

953
1:37:07 --> 1:37:12
active let's just say but i just let the i now just let the kind of uh universe take me now i

954
1:37:12 --> 1:37:15
just go um okay there's a conversation if i need to be in this conversation with you it will let

955
1:37:15 --> 1:37:21
me you'll just say i'll give you an email someone will talk to you it's cool i make content i shared

956
1:37:21 --> 1:37:27
all my threads of my book onto this for free i write about mushrooms i do spaces for free i do

957
1:37:27 --> 1:37:33
consultations i need to pay the bills i do i do these calls and um people who need to listen come

958
1:37:33 --> 1:37:37
to me like um people who do one-to-one conversations they are ready for me people

959
1:37:37 --> 1:37:43
who don't aren't um that's just i just let that that's the way it is how dare i know

960
1:37:43 --> 1:37:49
who can change this the thing it's saved my life i'm very grateful for it i think only good will

961
1:37:49 --> 1:37:57
work will actually come and i'm happy there um so yeah um this doesn't mean i don't condemn

962
1:37:57 --> 1:38:02
anything or i don't think anything that's bad they're very two different things bad and good

963
1:38:02 --> 1:38:09
are very human concepts very fragmentary concepts i'm i just think it is what it is it's happened we

964
1:38:09 --> 1:38:14
have to understand what is what is because if you don't look at it and go this is what it is no one

965
1:38:14 --> 1:38:18
will leave their jobs if you actually saw it you would leave you would leave next day if you

966
1:38:18 --> 1:38:25
actually saw it because when you do you're like oh okay this is stupid um you leave you just do

967
1:38:25 --> 1:38:29
things you just go look i have one life i'm gonna i'm gonna smell the roses

968
1:38:29 --> 1:38:34
at this moment this is the most important thing i could do at this moment talking to you about

969
1:38:34 --> 1:38:38
this is the most the most important thing i could do but when i'm with my family it's not

970
1:38:39 --> 1:38:43
it's not the most important the voice the most important is be with god god is everywhere god

971
1:38:43 --> 1:38:48
you are i am whether you know it or not is the difference and this is the point of kind of

972
1:38:48 --> 1:38:55
generation grounded because i saw something i was like okay maybe you can stumble upon this

973
1:38:56 --> 1:39:02
maybe you can stumble upon this truth maybe it's the realization so we are all heavenly this is

974
1:39:02 --> 1:39:06
heaven it's just the way it's the way you look at it and it comes from within so it's very easy

975
1:39:06 --> 1:39:11
like i say when you're stressed when you're angry everything becomes angry everything becomes like

976
1:39:11 --> 1:39:18
this problem everything becomes small like everyone becomes your enemy you hate your neighbor the

977
1:39:18 --> 1:39:23
roads become small the architecture becomes very gray it's okay it's helpful kind of fear is helpful

978
1:39:23 --> 1:39:29
but it's too much it's too excessive i'm saying cool everything's good you have the internet food

979
1:39:29 --> 1:39:34
is there especially if you live in like the west come on it's not gonna be a food you know we will

980
1:39:34 --> 1:39:42
have food healthy food yes a bit more expensive but that's okay we can we can make do we have a

981
1:39:42 --> 1:39:48
we have a garden we have sunlight yes we have we have chemtrails but we have vitamin c we have

982
1:39:48 --> 1:39:55
kind of we have different water we have a trilogy so i just i instead of focusing out because i think

983
1:39:56 --> 1:40:03
you can get lost in them i inform i go this is crap we have fluoride in our tap water but i've

984
1:40:03 --> 1:40:07
always been the sort of person who gives it the problem but i never want to just leave it there

985
1:40:07 --> 1:40:12
because i'm like well that's pointless if someone gave me bad advice and left i'm like what what

986
1:40:13 --> 1:40:18
what can i do with it so i always try to give some something i found so that's the twitter

987
1:40:18 --> 1:40:23
that's my book that's my mushroom so i fluoride is bad but look these things might help in the

988
1:40:23 --> 1:40:28
scientific sense not medical advice scientific literature has shown this now i can't do the

989
1:40:28 --> 1:40:34
feeding the feeding is down to you now i'm not saying read it don't read it read my read my

990
1:40:34 --> 1:40:40
threads or not but certain people have found it have found it helpful and it's just what i'm

991
1:40:40 --> 1:40:41
doing now so yeah

992
1:40:44 --> 1:40:52
so ish um i was talking to a doctor uk doctor i can't remember who which is pretty um

993
1:40:53 --> 1:40:58
well it's probably better um but anyway this doctor had qualified in 2018

994
1:40:59 --> 1:41:08
and we were talking about what had happened and um and i was uh saying as usual what i thought

995
1:41:08 --> 1:41:15
and asking him what he thought but in the end he said steven you don't seem to understand

996
1:41:16 --> 1:41:24
and i said what do you mean by that and he said you don't understand something uh i i i understand

997
1:41:24 --> 1:41:31
that listening to you he said to me so i said what don't i understand he said the doctor's

998
1:41:31 --> 1:41:39
qualifying with me and you know in latter years they don't care about the patients

999
1:41:40 --> 1:41:42
so my question to you is is that true

1000
1:41:45 --> 1:41:53
oh by the way when you said that and i the kind of last 10 20 years came flooding back to me and i

1001
1:41:53 --> 1:41:59
thought to myself well that fits but i never even thought of it i just assumed that all doctors

1002
1:41:59 --> 1:42:07
thought like i did and then i realized when this guy this doctor who'd qualified in 2018

1003
1:42:08 --> 1:42:14
he was living in a different world and actually a lot of the things made sense when i realized

1004
1:42:14 --> 1:42:20
that actually doctors don't care anymore they were in medicine because they wanted the status

1005
1:42:20 --> 1:42:29
or the money or both um and they didn't care about their patients is that true maybe i mean i

1006
1:42:29 --> 1:42:35
can't vouch for others but for me i went into medicine now i think back because i didn't really

1007
1:42:35 --> 1:42:42
care for status yes there was a step i can't lie that that was there but i didn't want to state

1008
1:42:42 --> 1:42:48
is just to kind of just kind of for sake i like to be a leader like i wanted to help people with

1009
1:42:48 --> 1:42:53
my status it's like no point being i hated politics this is stupid so i was like okay

1010
1:42:54 --> 1:43:01
with this status is needed i would like to help people um and also i was poor my parents were

1011
1:43:01 --> 1:43:08
poor so i was like i need to get them out of this hellhole um so i was like happy um i wanted to

1012
1:43:08 --> 1:43:15
start a surgery um with a difference actually i want to look at mental health differently i

1013
1:43:15 --> 1:43:21
want to look at um cholesterol differently everything differently i wanted a a gym as a

1014
1:43:22 --> 1:43:29
a gb surgery that was my pre-pandemic idea so this is not like a new thing kind of let's say so i was

1015
1:43:29 --> 1:43:35
already questioning things um i was questioning i was also questioning things and i was because i was

1016
1:43:35 --> 1:43:40
i was blessed with my own suffering i've had a stutter all my life and i didn't um for since

1017
1:43:40 --> 1:43:50
age of six i was very anxious i had a lot of fear and so i had to look at fear i had to face it so i

1018
1:43:51 --> 1:43:58
even though i had the fear i was kind of blessed with the kind of just maybe tenaciousness or

1019
1:43:59 --> 1:44:04
the need to be curious and need to find answers and one answer to kind of cure this all because

1020
1:44:04 --> 1:44:10
i was like no so i actually went into medicine looking at if i can cure a stutter or and then

1021
1:44:10 --> 1:44:19
it um but really actually wanted to help people um this is what happened so i can't brush out this

1022
1:44:19 --> 1:44:22
some people need status and i can't i can't judge them some people are done out of money so they

1023
1:44:22 --> 1:44:27
need that some people don't have this have this internal conflict so they need that most people

1024
1:44:27 --> 1:44:32
need a hug i think most people need a hug and say dude like you're good and it's very cutthroat in

1025
1:44:32 --> 1:44:37
medicine it's very it picks for the people and you can't blame the people if the system picks

1026
1:44:37 --> 1:44:46
the people it's very very cutthroat it's still paternalistic the the the rules are there like

1027
1:44:47 --> 1:44:53
the inclusiveness but there's still and i might be wrong and i do think it's changing

1028
1:44:54 --> 1:45:00
um the old system is slowly dissipating so this old paternalistic view in general in this in

1029
1:45:00 --> 1:45:07
in this world i believe is changing um but medicine is becoming more feminine in the

1030
1:45:07 --> 1:45:12
feminine sense of the kind of energy sense and i think the care is coming back and i think that's

1031
1:45:12 --> 1:45:18
can only be a good thing but in between stage um you'll see this confusion like um yes doctors are

1032
1:45:19 --> 1:45:23
some will some will go for status but i can't really i can't really blame them i mean for me

1033
1:45:24 --> 1:45:33
i left because i questioned it um and it made me lucky because i was able to sit out the

1034
1:45:33 --> 1:45:37
tik tok i've always been someone who has never kind of followed the crowd and that's the thing

1035
1:45:37 --> 1:45:44
i tell people do not um see my word as gospel don't i say in the kovac books uh in the kovac

1036
1:45:44 --> 1:45:49
book i was like read this but question everything i do as well um so i've always questioned everything

1037
1:45:50 --> 1:45:56
um that kind of transcended or kind of was my predisposition before medicine and then it only

1038
1:45:56 --> 1:46:00
led me to this now but some people have that more than others some will go down the rabbit hole

1039
1:46:00 --> 1:46:06
more than others and you just have to be blessed like you just even if you let's say you don't have

1040
1:46:06 --> 1:46:11
that that person doesn't care if they're if they're if they're truly content they don't really care

1041
1:46:11 --> 1:46:15
because they're not really comparing there are people out there who are content you know with

1042
1:46:15 --> 1:46:20
their lives with a very simple life we might think they're not very very kind of very clever

1043
1:46:20 --> 1:46:23
they might be dirt poor they might look like someone who is kind of lower class

1044
1:46:24 --> 1:46:29
but they can they they actually can happy than you so actually who is the one who knows everything

1045
1:46:29 --> 1:46:34
um so i say yeah it kind of matters and it kind of doesn't matter um at the end of the day

1046
1:46:36 --> 1:46:39
so you mentioned there that medicine is very cutthroat i agree with that

1047
1:46:40 --> 1:46:46
so from the day you arrive at medical school to the day you leave it you're terrified most men and

1048
1:46:46 --> 1:46:52
i didn't realize that i wasn't the only one until later and then i found out that everybody was

1049
1:46:52 --> 1:46:57
terrified at medical school and so the way it was i don't know what it is like now

1050
1:46:59 --> 1:47:05
there were terrifying professors everywhere and it's seen now looking at it i wonder whether that

1051
1:47:05 --> 1:47:13
was by design what do you think ish was was the so the fear that was generated amongst

1052
1:47:14 --> 1:47:23
my medical student peers um was that done intentionally to create a mindset where um

1053
1:47:23 --> 1:47:30
people followed the lead questioning me uh unquestioning it it depends on the vector that

1054
1:47:30 --> 1:47:39
you that you choose to find as this kind of agency if you if you say was this it is what it

1055
1:47:39 --> 1:47:45
is it's meant to be that means god made this so it was exactly the way it was it was supposed to

1056
1:47:45 --> 1:47:52
so it's not a good or bad thing it's it just is what it is so but if you say it was a dark entity

1057
1:47:52 --> 1:47:59
like a group of people who knows but i think in general there is a increase in fear um in general

1058
1:47:59 --> 1:48:04
and fear only breeds more fear until there are kind of kind of breaks in the system fear breeds

1059
1:48:04 --> 1:48:10
more fear because we're intellectual beings um we think into loops fear is interlinked into your

1060
1:48:10 --> 1:48:17
the conscious vapors of thought fear fear is a is a is a tool it's it's it's kind of allowed you to

1061
1:48:17 --> 1:48:23
make fire have a family have sex um and pray and understand the world so it's it's a tool

1062
1:48:23 --> 1:48:28
but taken too far you can get caught up in this in this fear and some people are so caught up that

1063
1:48:28 --> 1:48:31
they don't know they're just thinking all the time but it's so much thinking that they don't even

1064
1:48:31 --> 1:48:36
they stop to actually think there's no congruent behavior so that's like kind of zombification

1065
1:48:36 --> 1:48:43
level um um a lack of agency due to a fragmentation so that's different i think we should get that um

1066
1:48:45 --> 1:48:52
you know that there but there's a spectrum of understanding and less thinking um that you can do

1067
1:48:52 --> 1:48:56
naturally which means by being a good person if you're if you're if you walk down the street

1068
1:48:56 --> 1:49:01
in your heart says do something and then you do it that's that's one burden off your chest that's

1069
1:49:01 --> 1:49:08
a karma gone down so you're thinking less because you just did what you need to do so um i just see

1070
1:49:08 --> 1:49:13
thinking like that i see thinking as satan i see thinking as an obstacle i see thinking as the ego

1071
1:49:13 --> 1:49:18
it's the self it's the veil over the infinite so once you see it and you have to sit on it you

1072
1:49:18 --> 1:49:23
have to meditate you have to pray um there's many ways to do it you luck um you know there's there's

1073
1:49:23 --> 1:49:28
no one way there's various pairs families there's various religions there's various ways of thinking

1074
1:49:28 --> 1:49:33
there's no there's no one route the um road to freedom is there's an infinite path and everyone

1075
1:49:33 --> 1:49:40
has their own path i'm not saying this but um yeah um it depends when you are when it's i think it's

1076
1:49:40 --> 1:49:47
important for the question to define kind of end persons and also who is answering the answer that

1077
1:49:47 --> 1:49:53
question where where you want to put yourself be very logical with that with the actual question i

1078
1:49:53 --> 1:50:04
think um well i might try anyway so um each when you were talking then you mentioned road to freedom

1079
1:50:04 --> 1:50:10
so that that reminded me that i think it was jean poussard who wrote a trilogy and i think

1080
1:50:10 --> 1:50:17
that was entitled roads to freedom have you read it i haven't no i haven't read it but what comes

1081
1:50:18 --> 1:50:26
to mind is judo krishna methi who um you as you guys can uh some guys might know and some other

1082
1:50:26 --> 1:50:33
guys uh on youtube might know this man is but anyway he had a famous he said um the road to

1083
1:50:34 --> 1:50:39
freedom is uh there's like loads of roads to freedom and i think the road to freedom is to

1084
1:50:39 --> 1:50:45
understanding um i said a best nati type you know you can you could be free you can be born

1085
1:50:45 --> 1:50:49
knowing everything and be fine but some people it seems like in this in this day and age there's

1086
1:50:49 --> 1:50:56
a lot of confusion uh so therefore we must appreciate this amazing tool of in of intellect

1087
1:50:56 --> 1:51:03
and do exactly what what it needs us to do and when we do that we we can transcend like ask why

1088
1:51:03 --> 1:51:10
can't we build the same architecture that we did in the past why are people rude all the time why

1089
1:51:10 --> 1:51:15
are people confused why are they doing something why am i seeing asthmatics

1090
1:51:15 --> 1:51:20
they're smoking yeah so it sounds like you're contradicting yourself now so you are saying

1091
1:51:20 --> 1:51:26
now that we have a responsibility all of us to think what has gone wrong and to increase our

1092
1:51:26 --> 1:51:33
understanding is that right what you just said so but so that was not why i heard what you said

1093
1:51:33 --> 1:51:39
before because you walk away from it i can understand that yeah um this is because in

1094
1:51:39 --> 1:51:47
we have to understand in the spiritual sense morality only lies with mankind and maybe angels

1095
1:51:47 --> 1:51:55
and stuff like i explained before it's a construct of mankind so kind of good and bad you can

1096
1:51:56 --> 1:52:03
you can twist it so i said um you know it's power that you want and more goodness

1097
1:52:03 --> 1:52:07
you want more love and goodness because it makes you feel better and that's me so i said you know

1098
1:52:07 --> 1:52:16
in lord of the rings we go wow the kind of orcs are the bad ones and the um and the and and the uh

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kind of what's it called um and kind of frodo and whatnot they're they're they're the really good

1100
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ones right i mean i mean to the orcs no to the orcs they're the good ones so you have no right to

1101
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say uh this is good this is bad this is just it's still conditioning both in their mind think um

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1:52:35 --> 1:52:40
you know both in their mind think they're doing the right thing both in their mind think um that's

1103
1:52:40 --> 1:52:46
how to live they both want to expand it's like a cancer it doesn't care for whether you think it's

1104
1:52:46 --> 1:52:52
right or wrong it is gross so but it's a different vibrational frequency so i think in this realm

1105
1:52:53 --> 1:52:57
some things are worse and it affects you more in the fear centers and the more pain

1106
1:52:58 --> 1:53:04
um you know than others certain things like um walking in the forest being with family

1107
1:53:04 --> 1:53:10
bird song set of frequencies vibrate higher being loved and being kissed having no pain that's a nice

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1:53:10 --> 1:53:17
thing the other thing the other extreme is fear so this is the suffering so like i said if you

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see as a tool then you can transcend the suffering and it takes while like i had to do lots of

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different things and that's you can say that's penance you can say that's um kind of spiritual

1111
1:53:26 --> 1:53:32
growth you can say that's doing a marathon you know these people know um so you just have to

1112
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understand you through suffering there's a guy called jordan uh goldstein and he would be amazing

1113
1:53:37 --> 1:53:44
on here next time and he left his job as a professor during the pandemic and he now um

1114
1:53:44 --> 1:53:50
teaches uh people this kind of spiritual growth through kind of sports and he understands suffering

1115
1:53:50 --> 1:53:55
so you have to understand suffering you have to understand fear you have to see what it is and

1116
1:53:55 --> 1:53:59
then it becomes a different conversation then it becomes quite fun then life becomes quite fun you

1117
1:53:59 --> 1:54:08
know the worldly matters is becomes a different becomes different uh a very different definition

1118
1:54:08 --> 1:54:14
so you know i think we're going to see more people understanding this concept and um because it has

1119
1:54:14 --> 1:54:23
to that's a natural uh movement of the universe that that's why this is the this is the third

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1:54:23 --> 1:54:29
book i wrote uh the only truth and it just came to me like i say i wrote but it's not it just came

1121
1:54:29 --> 1:54:33
to me and i just say you know i just see everything and it's oh we just we just going back into a

1122
1:54:33 --> 1:54:40
little bit of a a joyful time hopefully for people who understand but there is work to be done yes

1123
1:54:40 --> 1:54:45
oh my god there's people to be saved yeah i mean we need to fix this mess but everything everything

1124
1:54:45 --> 1:54:51
will be okay at the same time well i'm not sure about that but anyway um so one day i was walking

1125
1:54:51 --> 1:54:57
i went into down to the petrol station to get some petrol for the car but also for the for the mower

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and um so i walked in and as i walked into pay um i uh noticed um a headline in a newspaper which

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1:55:10 --> 1:55:17
was on a stand outside the um place where you pay at the petrol station at the petrol station i go to

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1:55:17 --> 1:55:27
and so and it said um so the headline was about squirrel burgers so i went in and uh the guy

1129
1:55:27 --> 1:55:33
who i'd seen many times before never made a connection with him i don't know but this day

1130
1:55:34 --> 1:55:41
i just said um oh they they're trying to tell us now that squirrel burgers are good for us

1131
1:55:41 --> 1:55:50
squirrel burgers and his answer was um so he came straight out with it the fact i'd said that to him

1132
1:55:50 --> 1:55:57
he came out with i'm from sri lanka i know all about tyranny and we were big friends

1133
1:55:57 --> 1:56:04
immediately i've met this guy many times before no connection but a massive human connection

1134
1:56:04 --> 1:56:11
with me just saying about squirrel burgers no i think that's an amazing story and i think

1135
1:56:12 --> 1:56:17
for me anyway i've been meeting more people randomly and i just get them i'm like oh there's

1136
1:56:17 --> 1:56:22
no like small talk i just and the small talk is the big talk i'm like oh i just randomly on a walk

1137
1:56:22 --> 1:56:27
and a restaurant and it's like people have been put there and sometimes i you know i think i thank

1138
1:56:27 --> 1:56:34
sarah myhill um i see her as like an angel um uh dr malik as an angel i see these individuals who

1139
1:56:34 --> 1:56:38
come to me at the right time say the right thing and then leave and then i meet them around one

1140
1:56:38 --> 1:56:45
like hold on a minute this is this is just it's too divine of a timing i see everyone as like that

1141
1:56:46 --> 1:56:51
i would also like to say that on a lovely note i've had an amazing time i should go it's 10 um

1142
1:56:52 --> 1:56:59
uh but it's been a lovely conversation um and very happy to be on this again in the future

1143
1:56:59 --> 1:57:07
but yeah thank you very much for having me ish very wonderful to have you here to share some

1144
1:57:07 --> 1:57:12
provocative perspectives on a passion provocateur so it's always good to provoke people with new

1145
1:57:12 --> 1:57:20
thoughts so thank you ish thank you very much steven thank you for organizing and um we will

1146
1:57:20 --> 1:57:23
would definitely look forward to further conversations with you ish thank you

1147
1:57:24 --> 1:57:31
all right everybody so steven if there are no other questions we can we can finish early

1148
1:57:31 --> 1:57:37
if you're going to any if there's any announcements people wish to make they're most welcome to do so

1149
1:57:38 --> 1:57:44
uh i can stop the recording and leave this open but tom rodman has his telegram chat going so

1150
1:57:44 --> 1:57:48
you know we can do it two ways i'll stop this recording and so there's a free

1151
1:57:48 --> 1:57:53
parole chat yeah we can have a little chat uh but ish if you need to go then that's fine i didn't

1152
1:57:53 --> 1:58:00
tell you how long you had but actually you had two and a half hours at your disposal so if you had a

1153
1:58:00 --> 1:58:06
bit more notice you might have uh wished to use the time no it's okay it's okay it's okay we have

1154
1:58:06 --> 1:58:11
lots of time in the world we have many more conversations to be had there's no there's no

1155
1:58:11 --> 1:58:16
point seeing this as the last one and even if it is it's been a really good one so um

1156
1:58:17 --> 1:58:22
i mean thank you for having me that it's been uh i feel very i feel very blessed to have said

1157
1:58:22 --> 1:58:30
what i said uh with you guys so thank you very much yes so um so this recording will be viewed

1158
1:58:30 --> 1:58:37
by people around the world so and if i get any emails asking to be put in contact with you

1159
1:58:37 --> 1:58:43
i'll forward them to you yeah you can you can if the medical questions remember i can't give

1160
1:58:43 --> 1:58:50
any any kind of advice like that but i do do uh scientific consultations so if you go to

1161
1:58:50 --> 1:58:56
generation grounded dot xyz um everything's there my story videos and basically i'm trying

1162
1:58:56 --> 1:59:00
to make a platform where i'm just teaching i'm just having fun just teaching so there's those

1163
1:59:00 --> 1:59:04
are free stuff on there i'm going to bring out some courses i'm going to do some videos i do

1164
1:59:04 --> 1:59:08
lots of stuff on twitter if you want to learn about health freedom mental health my weird and

1165
1:59:08 --> 1:59:14
wonderful theories on the infinite realm david bone anything you want to know i'm open and i do

1166
1:59:14 --> 1:59:20
spaces randomly i don't see myself as like uh different to anyone else i i don't really care

1167
1:59:20 --> 1:59:27
for a title i'm just here to learn so if you're interested in that um and i especially interested

1168
1:59:27 --> 1:59:31
in mushrooms and cancer but also trauma work and things like that but anything i'm happy with

1169
1:59:31 --> 1:59:38
anything then um if you would like to work one to one to one to one with me there's a little flower

1170
1:59:38 --> 1:59:42
like on my website um just can click that and there's a form and you can work with me

1171
1:59:43 --> 1:59:49
uh but don't feel obliged to um and there's various books i've made but again don't feel

1172
1:59:49 --> 1:59:56
kind of obliged to read them if it speaks to you then go for it um i'm open to any opinion

1173
1:59:57 --> 2:00:02
who published your books could i ask you that me i published my books no one's no one's gonna

1174
2:00:02 --> 2:00:11
take my books come on no one i like i i i try to uh but with the savings i made i um published my

1175
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books and um i recently published a lovely i'm very proud of it it's a mushroom book i think it's

1176
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the i think the prettiest one um so if you're bored of covid and you want to just enjoy mushrooms

1177
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enjoy and understand why it's one of the most potent medicines and why in the future you will

1178
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thank this me for me actually telling you this because it is going to have a lot of people

1179
2:00:35 --> 2:00:43
then it's called 37 medicinal mushrooms and i have tried i've scoured the web on chinese databases

1180
2:00:43 --> 2:00:50
turkish databases around the world and compiled a medical textbook in a um in a way that's

1181
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understanding uh kind of understandable in a in a lovely victorian style uh book so if you would

1182
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like to get that you support me even more because i get more of the money you can get that if you

1183
2:01:00 --> 2:01:06
if you can't afford it then there's a pdf there's an uh there's an amazon version there's a kindle

1184
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and i also do spaces about it and also video so don't feel obliged to buy but if you would like

1185
2:01:10 --> 2:01:16
to that's there as well but yeah i my everything was on generation grounded um i i i thank god

1186
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for everything i do so are you publishing books on behalf of um other people or not

1187
2:01:23 --> 2:01:25
you don't have to do the shipping or the shipping at all

1188
2:01:25 --> 2:01:31
what's your main book that you're publishing for your own company and why don't you and what

1189
2:01:31 --> 2:01:40
just myself i i just write um i've got other things i'm writing at the moment um printed out each

1190
2:01:41 --> 2:01:46
there's a there's a printed company i'm working with um they messed up a bit but i say messed up

1191
2:01:46 --> 2:01:50
but it was it was all good it worked out well and then use amazon as well because

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So my calling of the shops shops book. I get a profit of five pounds per book because it's a textbook so I get profit of five pounds.

1193
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And it's not a number one bestseller. Let's put it that way.

1194
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My online books I get a bit more but obviously people are going to pay less. My mushroom hard copy I get a good amount back because hopefully the kind of printing company have messed up so I get a good amount back.

1195
2:02:22 --> 2:02:29
I get most of the profit back but it depends on where you live and the delivery and time.

1196
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But you do get a lovely book.

1197
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And then the other books I have, I don't really care. The, the only truth but I get no profit.

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I don't like I give away my the conveyor I don't like in the charging money, but the world we live in I think we need to get over that kind of like headspace of kind of asking for money.

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I try and give good advice.

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And look, if you like my work, and you can't afford it but you have a house to share if I go on holiday, happy. I'm happy with that as well. I say, we need to move away from this like I need to pay this person to show them thank you if it's a retweet, happy, really

1201
2:03:09 --> 2:03:17
happy. If it's a thank you, if it's not a thank you if you write a hate comment, I'm good with that as well so I don't care.

1202
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I see everything as a thanks, but remember to think actually and support those, because it's not just me there's many people like Ahmed Malik, yourselves kind of cake, Dr.

1203
2:03:30 --> 2:03:45
Craig many small platforms, people who need vaccine injury help there's so many people that need help right now so just remember that they also exist and there's people that also have a voice so I'm here yes but there's other people so

1204
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thank you for your time. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right, so, Stephen, what I will do, I will stop this recording.

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And then you can stay on this platform I've got other stuff that I can go and do usefully and then you can have a chat here with everybody don't don't have to go to the telegram chat. Okay.

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Yeah, very good. Thank you, Charles.

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Thank you for moderating tonight.

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Pleasure, and every night, and every night, Charles. Thank you.

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Thank you.