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So everybody, welcome to today's meeting of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.

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We're having an urgent announcement for five minutes to start before I introduce Jay Kui,

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wonderful presenter, wonderful thinker who's joining us today.

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We're going to have five minutes from Craig Pardikoop who's presented to us twice before.

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This group was founded over three years ago by Stephen Frost. I'm Charles Kovace. I'll do a

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shortened invitation today. We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the

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world. We recognise that we're in World War III and that we're part way through World War III.

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This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. We reject the

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offence industry and we reject the triggering industry. If you're offended by anything,

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be offended. We are lovingly not interested. We come with an attitude and perspective of love,

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not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you and enslaves you. Love, on the other

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hand, expands you and liberates you. So thank you for being here. The meeting is recorded,

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is uploaded onto the Rumble channel and before I introduce Jay Kui, Craig Pardikoop,

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in the next five minutes is yours. We are all ears and Craig, we can see your screen.

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Can anyone? Lovely, great. Okay, so the headline is and I'm not sure how you're going to take this,

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but I'm just going to just tell you the facts without trying to interpret them.

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A message has been found in the X logo for the X platform and it is a significant meaning to

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everyone. The logo was made public initially in August 2023 on the X platform when Elon took over

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from Twitter. People have noticed that there appears to be a scratch on the logo, which was

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a bit odd, but no one actually zoomed in and actually saw what was embedded in the message.

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So here is the message. Here is the actual logo, which has been present on all phones since 2023

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August. When you zoom in, you can see that the scratch isn't a scratch. It has letters and

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numbers which comprise a message. Initially, I didn't know what language it was in, but it's

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now been completely deciphered. The actual line of message points to an image above the X, which

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I'll show you briefly what that is. So the central scratch is not a scratch. It's a message.

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It consists of letters and numbers. It's been deciphered.

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When I deciphered it, it consisted of two parts. It consisted of a sequence that repeated three

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times consisting of three letters each time. And it reads, now this is going to sound

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horny, but I'm just going to say what the facts are. It reads.

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This is.

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Hang on, Craig. This is.

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Hang on, Craig. We got to it reads and then you got stopped. Start again. It reads.

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Okay. It reads.

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It reads.

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In letters, not in numbers. So you got S-I-X, S-I-X and S-I-X. I've put a full document of this

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on my website, howbad.info under the section COVID and Cult. So people can look at it in detail

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and get zooming in on high resolution images to see this. And in between is an image that

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I go into. I can interpret this in detail in the files that I've provided.

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This is the image that I was referring to between the 60s. This is the only other thing in the

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message other than the 60s. It consists of a person in a walking position with wearing shoes,

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upright walking position, but it has the head of a beast.

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And it goes by a name beginning with two letters, E-L followed by two spaces. So it's a four letter

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name beginning with E-L. Now concerning the image above the X, which is on everyone's phone,

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this is it. And initially I wasn't sure what it was, but then when we used high resolution,

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we can see this is it's a person. Their head is at an angle of 20 degrees to their right.

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They're holding a sword of some kind in their right hand and on their left shoulder they have

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chevrons, which is a military insignia. So this is a commander of some kind.

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You can see its eyes here and here, its nose,

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its mouth, and there's a symmetry at 20 degrees to the vertical. And you can see

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one of its ears here, which looks quite pointed. Now as bizarre as all this sounds like a fairy

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tale, it's actually what's on everyone's phone. And the interpretation is the X, my interpretation

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now is this. The X has always been a symbol for Christ. And when you have a vertical line

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through the X, that's the iota chi, which is the symbol for Jesus Christ. It's a traditional

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Christian symbol. What you see here instead is the line going through it with the message

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666 and that strange walking beast pointing to what looks like a kind of a devil at the top.

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To me it looks like the symbol for the Antichrist because we have instead of Jesus,

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it's relevant to what's going to be happening in America over the next few months, which is that

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they're having an election. People are taking part in that election and it's up to people to decide

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whether they want to take this information into account. That's all. And this information

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and this information isn't provided by anyone except the person who is taking part in the

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election. So it's not provided by me. It's not provided by an opposition to them. It's provided

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by them themselves. They're declaring who they are here. I'm just saying this is relevant and

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it's going to affect the history of America and also of the globe in the coming months.

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So I've said that. That's my newsflash. At the bottom of the...

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I've provided links. So here you have... You can find this information under Covid and Cult.

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I've created a document that's about 40 pages where I go into detail in analyzing the image.

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I have like a video and a document. So the video is on BitChute and the document is here.

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And I'll invite everybody to at least take this into consideration regarding a self-declared

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identity of the person who actually created this image. So people should take it into consideration.

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You know, so therefore whatever they decide, they decide.

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Well done, Craig. Thank you for all those links. Have you put those links into the chat? Have you, Craig?

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Okay, I'm going to go back to...

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I'll just put... Just copy and paste while Jay starts. Just copy and paste that into the chat,

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Craig. Make it easy for people to access.

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And he's frozen. Yes, he is.

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All right. So I've got... We've got those links. I can put them into the chat

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and we'll get... Craig, thank you for that. If you can hear us, that is a newsflash. And Craig

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will present more. He will discuss with Stephen and I will stop his sharing there.

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And Jonathan J. J., or JJ Cooey, I really should say. I'm delighted. We're delighted to have you

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again to talk about the Human Genome Project. Jay's bio is on the show notes for those of you

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who don't know who he is. He is a researcher and wonderful presenter, wonderful investigator. And

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we thank you so much again, Jay, for joining us. And thank you again, Stephen Frost, for creating

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this group and giving us an opportunity to speak the truth to each other.

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Jay, over to you. You can share your screen and you're the man.

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Thank you very much again for the opportunity to speak. I'm going to put myself over on the

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other side. If you can't see this as one screen, you just have to change your view to speaker view.

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So I want to take a look at this book, which is called What is Life? Mind and Matter. I put a link

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in the chat. It's a link on my website where if you go to that link, you can see these PDFs that

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are downloadable. And one of them is this book. You can also find this book on the Internet Archive.

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And if you just search for Erwin Schrödinger and What is Life, there are probably many places where

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you can find the PDF of it. Some of the PDFs have this cover. Some of the PDFs have a little chicken

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on the front. There's a Cambridge version. There's another. Well, this one's also a Cambridge

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version. Maybe there's multiple ones. Anyway, I think that the reason why this book is so

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interesting is because it has become clear to me in trying to formulate a new biology 101 for

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freshmen students in college that something is really wrong with Campbell, the book that everybody

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uses at universities in America. And with the help of my friend Mark Kulak and other people like

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Peter Hotez and others, it has become very clear to me that there is a long mentor chain of

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thoughtfulness with regard to answering some very crucial questions about what we can and

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can't understand about ourselves. And it's a sorry, I thought my dog was going to come in here.

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It's a it's become sort of my life. Now, it was COVID, but COVID is kind of passed for me,

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because I understand it in a larger context now. And how, more importantly, after repeating over

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and over again for you and for many other people, that we actually inherited these charlatans from

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our parents that I realized that I needed to explore the consequences of that idea.

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And the consequences of that idea, of course, are having to go back to those times and those books,

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and actually read them to see how it is that we got to the point where we are where people are very

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somehow able to go in front of a stage. I think the best example that I have, I'm just going to

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take a cut right here. I have little notes, and I'm just going to grab this notes here, I'm going

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to drop this in the chat. It is a YouTube video that I would like to assign to you as homework.

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It is Adam Rutherford. He is like a kind of used to be an academic scientist, but then became a

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science communicator. And at the start of the pandemic, he was very, very involved in this

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debate about whether it was a lab leak or whether a lab leak was ridiculous, or a bridge too far,

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because there was enough nastiness and Mother Nature to explain everything. So the reason why

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I think that video is important is because in the first 30 minutes of that video, you basically have

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a person teaching the central dogma of biology and teaching all of the

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teaching through all of the major, let's say, greatest hits that you have to, you know,

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little milestones in ideology, the bricks of the ideology that once you accept those,

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then you can go on into the university system or on to PubMed or on to any of these primary

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literature sources and have the right foundation of ideas in order to understand what all these

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people are talking about, and also to understand the context in which all of their terminology

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and all of their concepts fit. And what's extraordinary is, is that I, as a professional

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biologist, was in that well within this structure of ideas for a very, very long time. And at some

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point, I think if I would have been in a bar or in a situation where somebody challenged me

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on the primacy of the idea of evolution and the primacy of the idea that the brain evolved from,

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you know, previous forms or whatever, and to defend that idea, I would have been there

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all night and I would have never fallen asleep and I would have had all kinds of answers for

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everything all the time, ultra confident that a few basic principles were sufficient for me to

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model in my mind how it is that a lightning bolt could hit a mud puddle and just the right

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combination could happen. And then now you have this spontaneous process that billions of years

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later results in me going to the prom and crying afterward. And for me, that's where the rubber

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doesn't meet the road anymore. For me, as a child and as a biologist when I was a kid, there was no

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question in my mind that what I was looking at and appreciating was beyond a simple explanation. And

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yet, as an adult, I started to realize that that kid was really not present when I was working at

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the university. That kid was constantly being told to shut up when it came to formulating my

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grant questions or teaching people what it was that I was trying to address as a concept with

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my experiments because reductionist biology necessarily requires you to only pick a few

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knobs and then pretend that, okay, if I leave these two knobs alone and turn knob number one,

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then I get one result. And if I turn knob number one with knob number two, I get another result.

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And then that's supposed to be understanding the system because you're ignoring all the other knobs

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that you know exist and the ones that you haven't even found yet. And the art of being a 10-year

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professor is being able to, at the same time as you justify how important the knobs are that you're

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turning, also very humbly admit that you don't know what any of the other knobs do and you're

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sure that they do things important too. And so as long as you play that game, you can become an

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academic biologist without ever questioning the main bricks on which all of this investigation

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lies and on which all the premise on which your expertise is based. And over these last five years

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for me personally, the most humbling thing about it has been to realize how awfully wrong I was

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about so many things that I thought I understood. And also what's been very humbling to me is how

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easily that can be rearranged once you realize what bricks are there and who put them there and

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how they got there. And you can feel good about it because you realize that it wasn't your fault.

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It wasn't just because a couple people got it wrong in your particular biology class.

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It's because there has been this trend, a wave of knowledge, a wave of what I guess I would call

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implied knowledge or assumed knowledge, which all traces itself back to this wonderful time when we

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were into nuclear bombs and radiation and at the cusp of thinking that we were about to make major

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breakthroughs in our understanding of biology. And so that's why this book is so interesting.

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This is the book. Do I have to scroll up to the top? Maybe. Let's see. So I got this guy here.

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I'll just scroll to the top. This is What is Life by Erwin Schrodinger. I think this is the one with

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the chicken on the front. Yeah, this is the one you can download from the archive. And so if we go

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to the first chapter, I just got a few things I want to highlight here because I just want to

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make some big points, okay? And it's a really important book. You can find so many people

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who will highlight it as a seminal book in their reading. And before I get started with highlighting

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a couple of things in the first 20 pages of this book, let me just help you to do a thought exercise

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to try and put you in the right space of exploration in terms of what might be going on with you and

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what I think happened to me. I want you to imagine a scenario where you grow up and all the teachers

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and all of the adults that are around you believe that they need to feed the right birds and attract

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the right birds to the backyard in order for all of the best outcomes to happen at work and for all

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of the best things to happen in their lives and for people not to get sick. And there are people

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who are experts on birds and can tell you what things you have to put in your backyard to attract

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which birds and which birds you want to attract when you have a certain sickness and which birds

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will come and announce that the sicknesses are coming and all this stuff. And you can imagine

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very easily this elaborate mythology that would be created with weather and with what birds eat

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and all this other knowledge that could be misconstrued as birds being an intimate connection

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to nature and to our health and to our understanding of our biology and with a crafty set of liars,

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you could get that to work, you could get that to go even if at the beginning everything was really

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well meant and it seemed to really work that if you attract cardinals then generally speaking

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families are healthier than people that have crows in their backyard whatever the anecdotal

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observations that get misconstrued as understanding are. But then understand that at the beginning of

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this revolution we were being propelled forward our greatest thinkers were chemists and physicists

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and so this guy acknowledges that and sort of without even really knowing it exposes the

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problem that's going on here and one of the terms that comes from this book is aperiodic crystal.

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So he makes the argument that chemists and physicists are always studying periodic crystals

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and what occurs in biology is an aperiodic crystal because it changes over time and it's a very

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consistent one-way pattern of change you can you can expound on that all you want to but the idea

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of an aperiodic crystal influenced lots of people afterward lots of people grabbed onto that

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and that's actually maybe where this term gene originates or thinking about genes originates.

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So if I scroll down a little bit through this thing one of the first things that comes up here

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I'm going to make myself smaller is that the reason that this book needs to be written and

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he's of course a mathematician you can oh I forgot which one I'm using here he's a mathematician

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and so the scary part would be of course or the assumption would be that he's going to use math

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to explain biology but the reason for this was not that he's not going to use math that's what

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he says here it's not going to be hardly utilized at all and why is that well it's because this

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subject cannot be explained with mathematics it's not fully accessible to mathematics and yet at the

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same time in this book the question that they want to answer is how can the events in space time

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which take place within the spatial boundaries of a living organism be accounted for by physics and

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chemistry alone because that is at the heart of it and this is something that needs to be very

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clear in everybody's head as a as a starting biologist or a restarting biologist or recovering

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biologist is the you have to see that an organism is is something that moves through space a pattern

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integrity that remains integrism to and through time and it's that developmental time course from

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a child to an adult to an older adult to an elderly person that is a single course irreversible

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and it is in these people's minds in these chemists and physicists minds that are starting to

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let's say cross over into a biology and apply their their understanding of the world to biology

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because they are the the the curators of the the laws of physics and the laws of chemistry so if

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life is governed by these laws then who better to convert to biology when biology is ready to accept

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that determinist outlook and so this is where most of the thinking about genes and the primacy of

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dna comes from because these chemists and physicists were looking for a a chemical and

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physical explanation for the life for the pattern of light and so if we scroll one page after this

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this is page four the top here this is the assumption so the preliminary answer which this

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little book will endeavor to expound and establish can be summarized as follows

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the obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason

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at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences so just because we don't have the

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microscopes just because we don't have the fine instruments doesn't mean that when we do we won't

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be able to just account for everything by physics and chemistry and so it is very important to

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understand that that premise that premise is central to biology 101 at every university in

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the western world and it is absolutely central to the idea that the human genome accomplished

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genome project accomplished anything at all because the concept is very different than what it actually

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this is this is written at a time when they're getting excited about the possibility of identifying

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this chemistry and the identification of this chemistry was immediately taken as proof that

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this was true and so we don't still don't we still can't look inside of a cell and see the actual

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status of the dna molecule which parts of it are exposed which parts are wrapped up which ones are

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being translated or not all of those things are done using physics and chemistry means by which

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you take something that is very tiny and then you attempt to make lots of it so that the presence

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of lots of it is interpretable at a single size level and that's what's so beautiful about the

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beginning of this book the beginning of this book explains the rationale upon which this this bridge

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can be made where you just say well if you put the right chemicals in the right little sack and then

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just let them go then billions of years later you'll have us and it only requires that you accept that

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there's no reason for doubting that just because we can't explain it now and so the finding of dna

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and since they found it it has been physicists and chemists that have been used or abused or

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willingly taken biology into this direction where all of the irreducible complexity all of what was

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sacred all of what was assumed to be creation can now be assumed to be the consequence of physical

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and chemistry chemical laws that we are just not yet able to quantify or measure and that's an

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extraordinary place to be of course because what's really interesting and i'm just taking you as this

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completely improv i have a list of a couple things that i want to talk to you about and the rest i

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just want to share things to read also on that that list of giga ohm biological stuff is this

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book which is you can't i guess you can't see that maybe i can do this is uh the phenomenon of man by

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tehard de chardin he is a jesuit priest who in the 30s i'm gonna get his history wrong but it

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doesn't really matter in the his in the 30s he was actually kind of kicked out of the church or

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getting the the catholic church got angry at him why because he was really really into that pith

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down man guy i don't know if you remember this um but there was something in the in the 20s or the

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30s or the 40s you have to just look this up yourself i can just do it right now um the pith

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down man summary is a uh fossilized remains that were discovered in 1912 and so he was around then

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but it was in the 30s that he wrote a lot of these books including this one which didn't get

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published until later with an introduction by julian huxley and this priest took the pith down

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man and ran with it and said that that meant darwin was right and that meant that we were

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descended from animals and the church didn't like that but this guy was really like oh this solves

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the problem then the way that we were created was through evolution and this idea of solving the

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problem of how did god make us by saying that god did evolution is actually something really

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interesting because this same guy who did that for the catholic church and is cited by no less

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than peter jotes in an article in the lancet in 2024 as being a seminal thinker in this public

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health space this guy right here went for evolution fully and also in this thing said that the the

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shape of the planet being round meant that at some point the phenomenon of man the species of man

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would become one cognitive unit a noosphere and and that would be the way that we would move

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forward i may have said this before and if i have i apologize but julian huxley characterized this

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idea as the equivalent of fish swimming in groups in the water and men swimming in groups of of

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conscious thought not water but conscious thought and so um the idea was is that because the

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population would eventually come in contact with each other he couldn't have seen the internet or

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maybe he could have i don't know but that we would all become sort of one conscious sphere that would

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be governable and then steerable and it was in our divine duty to take command of this to to take

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control of this to steward the stewardship of it and that's very similar to what a lot of eugenicists

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think a lot of these uh these biologists think that we have to take charge of our evolution as

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a species and of course that also means again because we're we are um if we go back to this

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book if we are just the consequence of physics and chemistry then our free will and our decisions

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and you know what individuals do is really it's really um not as important as what we do as a

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species and where we go into the future and so um if i if i use that as a branch um then um let me

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see if i can quickly jump over here so this is the paper that we're all talking about the initial

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sequencing and analysis of the genome by the international human genome sequencing consortium

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and this was published in nature i think in 2001 or 311 2001 and so i think it's just really telling

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to read the first part here the rediscovery of mendel's laws of heredity in the opening weeks of

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the 20th century the opening weeks of the 20th century which is actually around the same few

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years that we were talking about with regard to the pith down man and with regard to when this

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guy was starting to get in trouble with the church because he was saying evolution and so what we're

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what we're seeing here is a very disingenuous misrepresentation even of what mendel's laws mean

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and i i was one of the many things that i wanted to cover um i think everybody in this chat would

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have would have heard of the the hapsburgs for example the hapsburgs i think were a very very

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very rich family in europe for a very long time but they were also incredibly inbred and i don't

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think anybody in in in the historic and sect would would say that what resulted there was good

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there were crazy people there were sick people there were sterile people and if you looked at the

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the the um family tree uh that that video that i gave you that family tree is in there and you

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can see that there's like aunts that are also grandmoms and then there's also great-grandfathers

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that are also grandfathers and it's super bizarre because there's lots of people that are marrying

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within the family for a long time and so that is genetically very bad but it's interesting in that

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video he jokes because it's really good for geneticists and actually it's important to

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understand that this rediscovery of mendel's laws of heredity it's something that when it was taught

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to me when i was in high school when it was re-taught to me and when i was in college and

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when i taught students this as a college um lab instructor or or or lab assistant i taught the same

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illusion and the illusion of this is is that mendel just got pea plants out and started breeding them

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together and it was all good and that's an absolute lie mendel spent a long time

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breeding pea plants that started to show consistent traits

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it's not it's not that he just started with pea plants with with wrinkles and pea plants without

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wrinkles and then then did these studies and voila i wrote the book because that's not how it worked

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he first had to breed these plants long enough so that the traits were consistent

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then when he bred them together he could see these sorting ratios now if you understand then

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that there are certain phenotypes there are certain attributes that might by coincidence

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be sortable in that way sort in that mathematically neat way if you create

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let's say clean enough genetic signals and so in the case of the habsburgs there were probably

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several several combinations of genes that would stand out as wow these are bad and if we looked

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at other people who have these symptoms it looks like that that's that's a bad combination of genes

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but understanding what those genes do in development that led to that understanding

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the likelihood of that being a developmental process or a genetically predetermined process

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was still only correlation even in the greatest and most pure signals of mendel or the most pure

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signals in our own genetic let's say catalog and that's where the bamboozlement happened here

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that's what i can speak to personally as a neurobiologist because when i got into

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neuroscience everybody everybody was hoping that they would get a chance to work on a knockout

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mouse that was interesting and what is a knockout mouse a knockout mouse is a mouse that supposedly

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has a protein a gene at that time a protein was really the gene that you would knock out or a gene

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and so you'd knock out a protein and if you got lucky enough and the mouse lived

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and could function then chances are pretty good that you could go in and look for the

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physiological defect or the thing that was wrong and then maybe it would give you some idea of

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what that protein did in the mouse the mice that have it and because you're working on an inbred

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mouse line the background noise is very low the signal is very consistent across animals

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and so if these genes are these proteins are present or not present it's very easy to screen

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for that and that illusion is sustained across laboratories in in in america and europe where

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they use inbred mouse lines that by definition are very much like the peas of mendel but it is

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very clear from the hapsburgs family tree that if we tried to make an inbred strain of human

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human if we got anywhere near the homogeneity of mice there would be no living humans anymore

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and in that same video adam rutherbird rutherbird actually says that that humans are actually quite

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inbred which i find a really weird statement for him to make because in this same video this guy

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this former scientist and now science communicator who was sure that it was a natural leak that guy

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will tell you that the central dogma the dna to rna to protein is essentially how life works and

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everything that's alive does that and that cells are the smallest unit of life and cells come from

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other cells except at the origin of life after the origin of life there was always a cell and

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then cells beget cells and that's how we have all the cells that we have and so really it is no

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different than the than the idea that i've said multiple times to you about in much shorter

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time scale the idea that that uh let's see is that one that one the idea that why did that work

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the idea that that something that's endemic is impossible to tell from something that is

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that was already in the background and so what we have from an evolutionary perspective from a

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genetic perspective a snapshot of all the people on earth we don't actually have any data

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this this four-dimensional family tree or whatever that they propose is where we came from we don't

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have any data from that except for the current hundred years of life that we've been able to

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catalog both molecularly and and and macroscopically you know whatever what they look like and and and

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whatnot so this implication i can give you one example this is just again endemicity versus

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background you can't tell the difference because you don't have any data we don't have any data

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we don't have any data from what animals were on the planet in 1600 and a good survey of them

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we don't have a good survey from uh 4000 bc and yet these biologists are talking about evolution

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on a much longer time scale with no data on any of those timescales they just they you just have

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to accept it because they found dna and since dna is the chemical and physical explanation for how

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life works the code then then evolution is also real so that that video that i put in as as homework

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is really important to listen to because what that guy does in the first 25 minutes is give you a

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lecture about the basics of the central dogma and how all academic biologists and all thinking

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academic medical professionals think about the basis of all life on earth what we share in common

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and they also believe for example in this thing um and i know this is out of date now but in 2003

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there was a uh paper by the last name of hillis and they put together this plot where they put

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like 2000 plus species on it and they tried to make this tree where it starts with uh the the

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most basic kinds of protists and and and and then splits and now you get all the rest of life and

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here's where the bacteria are over here and here are the animals and we're over on this part if

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you can see my my arrow here and so this is like a pdf you can zoom in and see all the animals that

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they did and yet all we have is a snapshot just like with with this coronavirus or with this

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latest uh there was a latest neuroscience paper not nurse and nature paper that came out that

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showed that they went for for some used ai to find all the rna viruses and some sample and they found

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all kinds of new viruses or potential new viruses using metagenomic sequences it's no different

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if you just take a huge sample of all the animals on earth and you claim that they have to be

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arranged in some kind of descending order of of complexity or where they came from

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then you can make this tree and claim all you want but the bottom line is is that none of these

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animals are anything but contemporaries of the process that they claim they came from

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and they have no evidence that that's the case and it's extraordinary because again remember that this

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all of these assumptions are wholly based in my humble opinion on these bricks that these main

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foundational cornerstone bricks are that the dna is the code for life and therefore it's just a

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matter of time before we are able to understand it use it manipulate it improve it and everything

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else is an assumption all the spending is an assumption all of the grant calls assume this

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everything it's all based on this and i even based my understanding of the brain and my my

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organization of my my thoughts on how to pursue a further understanding of the brain based on this

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idea that i had to think of neurons as expressing genes and genes coming on and off and how even

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though we can't monitor that we assume it's happening and all of this gets fueled by these

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these wonderful cartoons and and all of these elaborate animations and in that same video that

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i i sign you for homework he will at some point um he will show you a video that somebody made

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a computer animation of dna being copied and proofread and in that entire model there's no

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water molecules there's no other proteins and chaperones around there's no bases anywhere it's

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just you know making a nice little thing but it that's not what that that model doesn't even

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understand or it doesn't even attempt to show you what's really happening there because of course

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it's happening in an aqueous solution of course there are other proteins around so why are we

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just looking at the dna molecule coming apart like this and one little ball coming over to it and

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then it gets wrapped up and it becomes double stranded again it's all very beautiful and

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whatever but we don't have cameras that can see that we don't have electron microscopy flash

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by flash pictures of what's going on there that's all imaginary stuff and elaborate cartoons no

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different than the cartoons of of covid no different than even the image of covid that

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they use from the very beginning with the red red spikes and gray body

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it's no different than this you can draw this picture it doesn't make it right

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and you can you can publish the the human genome and then and say that you did something but it

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doesn't mean that you did and so in this thing they even admit it that that much work remains to be

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done to produce a complete finished sequence and of course now 24 years later there are lots of

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people who tell you that we've done it all we know it all we've done it all but how do we do it

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so it's all very simple but i i just don't think that it's true and this is the reason why because

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i want to go back to schrodinger because on page 21 and i again you got to read the whole book the

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whole book is just mesmerizing um it's gonna go a little bit farther here

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so the the physical laws rest on atomic statistics and are therefore only approximate is one of the

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things that schrodinger does is he gives you a couple of really good um examples of it where

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what essentially what he's saying is is that everything that physicists and chemists think

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that they understand about molecules is understood from the perspective of if you have enough of

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these molecules then the attributes of them start to become obvious and without enough of them the

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noise of the system is too great you can't say anything about it and so physics requires there

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particles around for them to see anything or do anything with them and the number of particles

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that are involved increases our accuracy in terms of our ability to predict what the what the system

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will do and so he gives a couple and this thinking has been applied to the physics and chemistry of

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life and these assumptions are are how they they purport to understand us and so um there's a couple

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different uh different examples that he uses there um maybe one good one to use would be this

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one here where he's talking about how a tube full of oxygen can be a voltage can be applied

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and the way that that reacts to the voltage is different than what you might think unless

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you're thinking of it as an average effect um there's also this discussion about diffusion

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and sinking fog which is also very uh enlightening but i just want to get past all this stuff just to

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make sure that you that you understand that this whole book is really important to read because it

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is a guy who who who sees the problem um and so in the second part he's talking about the

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hereditary mechanism and and what the problem is and he sees a very big problem but a lot of the

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people who read this book don't seem to realize that he sees this problem so the hereditary

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code script chromosomes let me use the word pattern of an organism in the sense in which

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the biologist calls it the four-dimensional pattern meaning not only the structure and

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functioning of that organism in the adult or in any particular stage but the whole of its

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ontogenetic development from the fertilized egg cell to the stage of maturity when the organ begins

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to reproduce itself now this whole four-dimensional pattern is known to be determined by the structure

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of that one cell the fertilized egg known to be determined

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if we if if that's the case we know it is essentially determined by the structure of

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only a small part of that cell the nucleus the dna that's it right so what is he going to say

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down here then and this is the trick every complete set of chromosomes contains the full code

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so there are as a rule two copies of the latter in the fertilized egg cell which forms the earliest

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stage of the future individual and then we go down here and he says you know that it can be a black

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cock or a speckled hen or a fly or a maze plant a rhododendron a beetle a mouse or a woman to which

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we may add that the appearances of the egg cells are often remarkably similar and so even when they

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are not as in the case of the comparatively gigantic eggs of birds and reptiles the difference is not

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so much in the relevant structures as in the nutritive material which in these cases is added

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for obvious reasons but the term code script of course is too narrow the chromosome structures

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are at the same time instrumental in bringing about the development they foreshadow they are

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law code and executive power or to use another simile they are the architect's plan and the

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builder's craft in one and so my argument will be that up until now and including the present day

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biologists are only able to scratch the surface of the part that encodes proteins that's it

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all the other stuff is just written away as repeats or as useless code or code that isn't

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needed or code that isn't read even though we know from this own physicist's opinion and from lots of

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other scholars to follow that the main question of how does this all orchestrate together you

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don't just make proteins and then because of the nature of their chemistry and physics they just

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assemble into the things that they do and go where they're supposed to go and do what they're

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supposed to do and get replaced when needed that is the builder's craft and if this is going to be

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contained in this single code then we're missing a whole large part of it and biologists around the

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world have known this for a long time and honestly i feel very humbly i can say that i've known it

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for a long time too i've just never didn't realize that people were already codifying it so

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eloquently already back when when this guy's book was written because this is not part of biology

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101 you don't read day shard and you don't read schrodinger you don't read you don't read jonas

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sulk survival of the wisest where they say exactly the same thing the determinist aspect of our

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biology means that as a species we need to put our big boy pants on and start taking control of our

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evolution because we are a phenomenon we aren't individuals this is the natural evolution of us

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as as thinking individuals that's what all these people want us to believe and that's why i think

436
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it's really important to have a good sense of of how to move forward they have told us for example

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that there are diseases that are genetic and they get them confused with infectious diseases because

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again they are taking and and and twisting our language around so that we can't use it effectively

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to fight out and and that's really important to see that that just like the pea plants with

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wrinkled or smooth seeds you can find rare examples or exceptions to the rule where a single gene

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and it's missing or it's it's it's mutation it can result in a phenotypic change that's

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sufficiently detectable so that you can point to it but the flip side of this is oftentimes

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in neuroscience you'll see this happen where a a neuropsychiatric condition actually when you start

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to look at what they now call genome-wide association studies where they take a bunch of

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people and classify them as all having the same set of symptoms and then they look across their

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genomes for signals that they share it's often a complete disaster and they they find nothing

447
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and so they the the idea that these physicists and chemists hoped would occur and manifest because of

448
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the discovery of dna has failed miserably and the start of that failure goes all the way back to the

449
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announcement of the completion of the human genome project and it is extraordinary because again

450
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in that you know we're going all the way back to 2001 and a nature paper and and we are now supposed

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to believe that someone from the whitehead institute who worked for eric lander named

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kevin mccurnin is one of the guys who's put his put his life and career on the line to come and

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save us from the laboratory leak and from the dna contamination in the transfection and most of the

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the the basic methodologies that are responsible for all the biologics in the world all the

455
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sequencing technologies all of this stuff he was involved in it and if you go down

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to the to the discussion here i want you to point out that the idea of this actually started at the

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department of energy and i don't know if you're anyone's aware that's not in the united states

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the department of energy is the highest level of security and in fact it this is a directed mission

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that it descends from the same funding and the same secrecy that ditra comes from that the state

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department uses and that all of the manhattan project used and so in order to maintain that

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secrecy in order to maintain that funding stream a lot of those physicists that were involved in the

462
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manhattan project actually went into the the precursor projects of the human genome project

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and most of those that that that's that's just traceable history that just nobody nobody traces

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back and so if if i just kind of humbly submit that i don't know i just know that this has been

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exaggerated for a long time if i humbly submit that that i think we have a lot of work to do to

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try and extricate our kids from this we cannot have our kids growing up thinking that most of

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their biology is determined by genes and most of the genes have already been identified and with

468
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just a matter of time and doing the work before all of these problems can be solved by altering

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those genes because that is not the truth yet that is the truth that's presented in biology 101 and

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in high school biology and it traps people i have a i have a a an article from the same i guess it's

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a year later where they're talking about how every biology it's a it's a opinion piece in nature i

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apologize for not having it up where they argue that every young person needs to be taught the

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primacy of genes so that they understand how important it is going forward and that they

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they go into biology as scientists with the right outlook so that we can make the fastest progress

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toward toward the mastery of this and i i am sorry but you know after after being a biologist for 20

476
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years i i just didn't get it i didn't get it and now i i actually think i do um in the sense of

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of a lot of what i thought i knew was already well understood to a level of high fidelity was actually

478
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a lot of bravado and promises that date back to a time when we didn't have all the molecular

479
0:53:00 --> 0:53:06
you know ideas that we have now or all the molecular evidence that might be thrown at us now

480
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the ideas were already well formed and we are still working firmly within those ideas which

481
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are rooted in in in physics thinking and probability thinking and big numbers thinking

482
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and and that that's a real dangerous place for our kids to grow up

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because that's the same place where viruses are outside of us those enzymes are outside of us

484
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and that rna in viral form can can be as dangerous as as a new mosquito or or or an

485
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invasive rodent or worse worse than a nuclear bomb so i know you might be disappointed but

486
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honestly i feel as though the most important thing for me to say right here is that you guys have

487
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given me too much time this is my i really believe it's my sixth time speaking so i want to i want

488
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to leave it at this understand that also there was a lot of biology around bacteriophages

489
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and a lot of principles of bacteriophages that have remained assumed that a a a similar relationship

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would exist between us and and similar particles and that insistence is also a false basis for

491
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for this viral contagion idea and and hiding this basic transfection and transformation so

492
0:54:25 --> 0:54:31
instead of speaking for an hour i already probably spoke too long um i want to you know be able to

493
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answer as many questions as anybody wants to throw at me even from previous uh previous talks um

494
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you're gonna find a lot of pushback you're gonna find a lot of pushback i would say try to get

495
0:54:42 --> 0:54:48
kevin mccurnin on here again without me here um and let me let me give you a few questions that

496
0:54:48 --> 0:54:54
you can ask him that will that will reveal exactly what kind of chicanery is going on now and i think

497
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that's really where we are they they need more data they think that if they have more data and

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they feed it into more computers that eventually they'll make the progress they thought they were

499
0:55:02 --> 0:55:06
going to make 20 years ago back when back when these guys were talking about it but i don't think

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that's the case um i'm very i very apologize for if it wasn't as organized as you thought it would

501
0:55:13 --> 0:55:18
be but he asking me to explain the human genome project in his in an hour is pretty tough and

502
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and the state of the art right now is extraordinary um but it's also still just chemistry and it hasn't

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scratched the surface of of how we as a pattern integrity are generated maintained um it's just

504
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not there yet we're not going to get there probably and i don't think it's necessary honestly um

505
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anyway well jay loved it loved it not disappointed at all i love the series of questions and i love

506
0:55:45 --> 0:55:52
what this the intent of this group is to is to stop thinking yes i know how how life works

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and so thank you for we'll call this the confession of jj um my my the people that i've been around for

508
0:56:01 --> 0:56:06
a long time have said similar things including ian bright hope has told this group about the

509
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depth of understanding of the functioning of the human cell is minuscule so the sheer ego of people

510
0:56:13 --> 0:56:18
saying this is how it works it's lovely to be reminded of that and you know oh there's lots of

511
0:56:18 --> 0:56:22
them and i just say there's that in the same list of things to download there's a book by

512
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denis noble called understanding living systems he's a guy from the uk who's been around for a

513
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long time he's still at it um you know he's one of many dudes who this is me discovering that there

514
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were a lot of people out there um it's not my idea it's not my idea at all um i'm just happy to be a

515
0:56:40 --> 0:56:49
part of the the awakening to it um thanks thanks jay so steven next 15 minutes is yours we've got

516
0:56:49 --> 0:57:00
lots of hands up and um let's go with you steven so jj um i um sense that this is really important

517
0:57:00 --> 0:57:08
uh uh but i haven't really been thinking about it i must admit so um i just was thinking as you were

518
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talking um what do you think is true so do you believe in new evolution and is evolution

519
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inconsistent with the belief in god um uh and evolution in the in the x-men sort of way where

520
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there's random mutations and you know then everybody just reproduces and the ones that

521
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reproduce are passing their genes along is not sufficient to it well whether human beings are

522
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evolved from animals no i i don't i don't know that no i don't i guess i i probably did before

523
0:57:43 --> 0:57:49
the pandemic but um i just have come to understand that we only have data from today and and any data

524
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that we have from yesterday is still not deep enough in time for any justification to think

525
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that there has been a dynamic change from mud puddle to monkey to man so um so essentially the

526
0:58:02 --> 0:58:08
same scenario as we've had in the last five years they were talking about gain of function research

527
0:58:08 --> 0:58:14
and how dangerous you know putting putting the idea in people's heads ordinary people's heads

528
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that oh a lab leak oh and they put a lab near me too apparently the labs can appear anywhere um so

529
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is this human hubris and just kind of gone unchecked you know because it's a cult and

530
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that everybody wants to join the cult so that they're not threatened and don't have to take

531
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responsibility is it just cults gone mad or what and so where does darwin fit in this charles darwin

532
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you know the origin of species yeah charles darwin didn't think that his theory explained all the way

533
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back to the mud puddle i mean and he knew that a lot of his contemporaries knew that i think

534
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um i mean you know i i was in preparation for this and the reason why i kind of pulled the

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chute and didn't try to do a really one hour you know discussion about molecular biology some kind

536
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of crash course or something was because i think it's a really bigger idea than that i mean i i

537
0:59:09 --> 0:59:15
i found a paper where they tried to to describe all the major phylogenies of spiders and then i

538
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suddenly realized that you could think in the in the very short time scale and think oh yeah

539
0:59:23 --> 0:59:29
those are different species of spider or you could think of those as snapshots of a continuum of

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change and and waves of expression of all the same basic um biological pattern and so if you look

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at a long enough time scale in your imagination spiders don't ever have to have come from anything

542
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but they can still be a constantly changing vibration um and we can be constantly changing

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vibrations without having to have come from more primitive ones um so again i feel like the lack of

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data from anywhere but now um and and also the idea for example that everybody that collects

545
1:00:05 --> 1:00:11
dinosaur bones doesn't work for a university but as a private company um and they only sell models

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and it just for me it's all starting to drive me nuts because i know that the exaggeration is

547
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is multi-generational so um much like if you if anyone is familiar with this um i i just had is

548
1:00:28 --> 1:00:35
ray kurtzweiler is a guy who for many years has been talking about the exponential growth of

549
1:00:35 --> 1:00:40
technology and some kind of point of you know you know where technology and biology is going to come

550
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together and he's been projecting for a long time because he's very very smart and he's you know i

551
1:00:45 --> 1:00:51
don't know i use math or something that it's like 2040 um when we're going to be able to upload our

552
1:00:51 --> 1:00:57
consciousness or there will be no more disease or something like this this is the same promise

553
1:00:57 --> 1:01:01
that these people are making in these in these books that i'm holding up here when they didn't

554
1:01:01 --> 1:01:07
know as much as we know now this it's the same thing that elon musk is saying that in 10 years

555
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we're going to be able to implant something in your brain that will interact with all

556
1:01:12 --> 1:01:18
with all parts of your i mean it's just absurd it's these statements are absurd but absolutely

557
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so jj the human genome project is part of that the human genome project is part of that the idea that

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that at best these people understood that that if they were going to extract any meaningful data

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from us they were going to need us to to think of ourselves in this way so jj um i agree with you so

560
1:01:40 --> 1:01:46
so we have to examine think about everything but we are actually just like them we're human beings

561
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too so we're going to be somewhat limited but apparently we're told that there are hundreds

562
1:01:53 --> 1:02:01
of billions of stars suns in our galaxy and there are hundreds of billions of galaxies

563
1:02:02 --> 1:02:13
in the universe so and we live on one planet in one solar system and the nearest solar system

564
1:02:13 --> 1:02:23
two hours is four four light years away serious i think it is um and um so uh and that's the

565
1:02:23 --> 1:02:30
nearest solar system the nearest star and there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy

566
1:02:30 --> 1:02:37
the milky way and there are hundreds of billions of milky ways it's just incredible isn't it so

567
1:02:37 --> 1:02:45
is that true do you think or or huh i don't i don't know i i honestly it's true if it is true

568
1:02:45 --> 1:02:52
alleged allegedly true how do some people get to say that and at the same time elon musk is talking

569
1:02:52 --> 1:03:00
about interplanetary travel inter solar system travelers i understand it went and people as you

570
1:03:00 --> 1:03:06
know aren't properly educated so they've got no idea of what the numbers mean so four light years

571
1:03:06 --> 1:03:15
is a huge distance if you're traveling by anything that a man made um so so uh and that's the nearest

572
1:03:15 --> 1:03:21
solar system so quite where elon musk is going in his interplanetary travel or inter solar system

573
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travel i don't know and and in what machine or is he talking about being kind of going through time

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1:03:29 --> 1:03:35
what do you know no i don't know i mean honestly i think it's all just

575
1:03:36 --> 1:03:43
it's all hamster wheels um unfortunately and i think if we if we wake up to it soon enough our

576
1:03:43 --> 1:03:47
kids can get out of the trap um we're not going to get out of this trap it's like a moving thing

577
1:03:49 --> 1:03:54
so jj what do you think is at the moment what do you think is true now everything that you thought

578
1:03:54 --> 1:04:03
was true is coming apart but what do you think is still true now i mean there are there are probably

579
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an irreducible complexity of small genetic signals in the background in our world and

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1:04:12 --> 1:04:19
there what does that mean to to the layman that no matter what small sample you took you're probably

581
1:04:19 --> 1:04:25
going to be able to find some genetic material in it and these people have just like you know if you

582
1:04:25 --> 1:04:29
put food out in your backyard you're going to get birds in the backyard that doesn't mean that those

583
1:04:29 --> 1:04:35
birds have all kinds of significance for your life and and i really think that if you look using

584
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their tools and their techniques which essentially are not very good um because again you're you're

585
1:04:43 --> 1:04:49
for a human genome for example one of the things that that that that it relies on is that that

586
1:04:49 --> 1:04:54
they're supposedly the same molecule in every cell so that if they have enough of your cells

587
1:04:54 --> 1:05:01
and they isolate the the nuclei then they have lots of copies of the same molecule and that's one

588
1:05:01 --> 1:05:05
of the only ways that they can get a lot of it if they don't have a lot of it just like any other

589
1:05:06 --> 1:05:11
physical or chemical process if you don't have enough molecules you don't know what's going on

590
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what's going on if you if you don't have enough atoms you don't have any attributes it's not a

591
1:05:17 --> 1:05:23
gas or a liquid and if you don't have enough of these biomolecules you can't tell what the

592
1:05:23 --> 1:05:28
sequence is and so with dna if you don't have enough of it you can't sequence it so all of

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1:05:28 --> 1:05:36
this process of saying what was in the cell is based on making orders of magnitude more

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than what was present in the initial sample and assuming that the signal that you are able to

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1:05:42 --> 1:05:47
measure when you make enough of it is equivalent to what you would have measured if you only had

596
1:05:47 --> 1:05:54
one in one cell and there's such a giant number of assumptions there that any number of ways

597
1:05:54 --> 1:05:59
that producing the large quantity and then measuring it could have no bearing on what

598
1:05:59 --> 1:06:07
the original small quantity was and we of course are taking all of this for granted as being done

599
1:06:07 --> 1:06:15
with high fidelity perfect objectivity and high accuracy since the 70s which i think at this point

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1:06:15 --> 1:06:27
in time has almost enslaved us so jj you know about the science oh sorry science not the science

601
1:06:27 --> 1:06:36
and you've got a very good handle on biology and it would be really helpful if you wrote a book

602
1:06:36 --> 1:06:40
in the future maybe not now because you're still in a confused state as far as i can see

603
1:06:41 --> 1:06:47
and no not in a bad way but you're being honest and you could write a book entitled

604
1:06:49 --> 1:06:55
what we know you know and and we could agree on what we actually do know and what we don't know so

605
1:06:55 --> 1:07:02
i'm now wondering whether it's 93 million miles to the to the sun our sun

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1:07:03 --> 1:07:07
um and whether what we've been told are there hundreds of billions of stars in our

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1:07:08 --> 1:07:15
in our galaxy and hundreds of billions of galaxies in the universe don't know but if there are that

608
1:07:15 --> 1:07:23
many hundreds of billions by times hundreds of billions then that means it's there are a lot of

609
1:07:23 --> 1:07:31
suns in the world in the universe aren't them and that's beyond our comprehensive the the flip

610
1:07:31 --> 1:07:36
side of this would be that that you could study a long time the diversity of the grains of sand on

611
1:07:36 --> 1:07:43
the on the on the beaches of italy and probably find a lot of interesting patterns and possibilities

612
1:07:43 --> 1:07:48
there but if if in the end all of those measurements and calculations have no bearing on

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1:07:49 --> 1:07:55
on jay and pittsburgh then i guess i'm gonna i probably want to teach my kids about other things

614
1:07:55 --> 1:08:02
and that that to me is maybe the worst part of of astrophysics is it's fine to look at the stars and

615
1:08:02 --> 1:08:06
it's fine to do that stuff but you know how much money have we spent on it and and should be

616
1:08:08 --> 1:08:16
there's a lot of this that bothers me now because america is in shambles and and our infrastructure

617
1:08:16 --> 1:08:25
is all but withered away and and we are we have accepted all of the the reality that that they've

618
1:08:25 --> 1:08:31
given us from the pandemic and and the stakes going forward and if we can't free our children

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1:08:31 --> 1:08:35
from this they're going to grow up with an inordinate amount of fear and uncertainty

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1:08:37 --> 1:08:45
well it seems to me jj they've divided us by and the modus operandi seems to be dividing

621
1:08:45 --> 1:08:51
as much as possible creating as much confusion as possible and that depends on people being very

622
1:08:51 --> 1:08:58
sure of their position so how we can help people is to say it's very healthy and very good to say

623
1:08:59 --> 1:09:07
i don't know and we don't know and but no human beings have to say oh yeah we do know no we don't

624
1:09:07 --> 1:09:13
know we cannot avoid death that tells me nobody can avoid death as far as i can see

625
1:09:14 --> 1:09:21
and that is true um so that means that we have a limited understanding of the world in which we

626
1:09:21 --> 1:09:27
live in the universe in which we live just like the cat just like the dog we're good i mean think

627
1:09:27 --> 1:09:32
think about this one just for an anecdote the guy that they one of the guys that they gave the

628
1:09:32 --> 1:09:39
nobel prize to this year for actually the folding program but his his whole work was based on

629
1:09:40 --> 1:09:48
uh small rnase micro rnase or something like that small regulatory rnase in c elegans the worm that

630
1:09:48 --> 1:09:56
has a known number of cells and so you i it's very easy for me to imagine that we have been very

631
1:09:56 --> 1:10:06
um inaccurate in our division of where um certain higher properties of life have emerged and and

632
1:10:06 --> 1:10:12
oftentimes all of our our interesting stories like you know there's a whole book on prions behind me

633
1:10:12 --> 1:10:19
and most of that book is done in yeast and so the idea that people eat brains on some on some island

634
1:10:19 --> 1:10:26
and they get these these misfolded proteins has been all the all the molecular data that supposedly

635
1:10:26 --> 1:10:32
supports that is done in yeast and so it's just a model of and then supposedly what happens in

636
1:10:32 --> 1:10:40
humans is a homologous molecular mechanism and so much of our genetic understanding and our viral

637
1:10:40 --> 1:10:46
understanding is actually the assumption that what we know about bacteria and bacteriophages has a

638
1:10:46 --> 1:10:53
homologous system in our own and and that those assumptions are are taken advantage of all the

639
1:10:53 --> 1:10:59
time too where principles that were proven in bacteriophages are just assumed to to work for

640
1:10:59 --> 1:11:07
these other rna signals that these people promote uh to study jj do you know anything about a concept

641
1:11:07 --> 1:11:16
known as singularity which is a a very small infinitely dense uh uh entity as far as i can

642
1:11:16 --> 1:11:21
understand and everything the one that they're talking about now is the singularity between

643
1:11:21 --> 1:11:25
technology and biology but i think you're just talking about like a black hole center or something

644
1:11:25 --> 1:11:31
and i'm talking about the the singularity which was the start of everything and um and then you

645
1:11:31 --> 1:11:36
got the big bang and then it it's apparent and then everything was expanding and it's still

646
1:11:36 --> 1:11:43
expanding apparently so um yeah and somewhere in there i'm like hit a mud puddle on a rock that

647
1:11:43 --> 1:11:48
was really the right space away from the star to have liquid water and then it's been there for

648
1:11:48 --> 1:11:54
about a billion years and that's exactly amazing isn't it so um all right let's go to questions

649
1:11:54 --> 1:12:01
thank you charles yes very good well done i was wondering a bit there dave raznick we've got lots

650
1:12:01 --> 1:12:07
of hands up lots of lots of uh conversation to be had so dave over to you oh dave's gonna ask you

651
1:12:07 --> 1:12:13
some hard questions now jj oh no the first thing i'm gonna say is congratulations man that is very

652
1:12:13 --> 1:12:19
very interesting and entertaining uh you did you did a great job first can y'all hear me it looks

653
1:12:19 --> 1:12:29
like uh the screen froze up there yeah we can all hear you david okay good all right um yeah jay i

654
1:12:29 --> 1:12:36
actually came uh what late 90s i came pretty much the same conclusion that you did uh recently i

655
1:12:36 --> 1:12:42
guess but it had to do when i started working on cancer and i'm not going to go into all those

656
1:12:42 --> 1:12:49
details i'm writing a book and it's got a lot of stuff in it about that but um and one of the just

657
1:12:49 --> 1:12:55
a couple of interesting things i want to share with everybody once i realized the unimportance

658
1:12:56 --> 1:13:03
of individual genes and the dna and all that much less important in the realm that people think it

659
1:13:03 --> 1:13:12
is um it uh some of the specifics that i've i'm not a genetics guy i'm a protein guy basically

660
1:13:12 --> 1:13:18
but i follow a lot of this stuff and uh when i was looking at the human genome and the other genome

661
1:13:18 --> 1:13:24
projects i was following it and it turns out that humans and mice and not only humans and mice but

662
1:13:24 --> 1:13:30
humans and other species too have virtually identically the same number of genes something

663
1:13:30 --> 1:13:36
just below the 20,000 or so and not the higher organisms anyway and 99 percent of them are

664
1:13:36 --> 1:13:45
functionally equivalent all right so uh so how how do those same genes know to make a mouse or

665
1:13:45 --> 1:13:52
to make a human for example or a turtle or something like that uh that's just a facetious

666
1:13:52 --> 1:13:59
facetious question but i'm putting this out i'm using it as an analogy the genes and the genome

667
1:13:59 --> 1:14:06
is basically a dictionary a biological dictionary uh it just so happens uh when i last i looked

668
1:14:06 --> 1:14:13
oxford english dictionary has 23 volumes and the human uh dictionary we have 23 chromosomes

669
1:14:14 --> 1:14:22
and the the mice have 20 chromosomes but we have the same 20,000 genes so uh basically what's going

670
1:14:22 --> 1:14:29
on is that there's a total complete mystery this is totally totally complete uh if if i

671
1:14:29 --> 1:14:34
wasn't a scientist uh but i could easily sympathize with people think there's something spiritual

672
1:14:34 --> 1:14:41
going on here okay we got this dictionary but we don't have a clue how that dick how the what turns

673
1:14:41 --> 1:14:49
those words in the biological dictionary into a human over here and over in a mouse over there

674
1:14:49 --> 1:14:56
uh you know so anyway i just wanted to share those analogies with people uh and i would love to talk

675
1:14:56 --> 1:15:03
with you jay uh privately about this because i thought you were going to get really really

676
1:15:03 --> 1:15:09
technical and talk about the genome project i thoroughly much much more appreciated your

677
1:15:10 --> 1:15:16
the road that you took to to come where i am too i totally accept i feel like i'm a brother with

678
1:15:17 --> 1:15:22
you on on this whole thing so i'll shut up now it's not i said what i wanted to say

679
1:15:23 --> 1:15:29
good to hear from you david thank you nice david why not david say good nice initials you got here

680
1:15:29 --> 1:15:40
for someone with a phd dr haha all right john john look arch hey jj um i don't want to hog up a whole

681
1:15:40 --> 1:15:45
lot of time here but uh you know three or four things came to mind as i was listening to you

682
1:15:45 --> 1:15:52
just you know like here maybe your take on this whatever your opinion is um one of them is about

683
1:15:52 --> 1:15:59
dna in general you know i don't want to i can't quote you know anybody for this idea i think i

684
1:15:59 --> 1:16:07
maybe came to it myself but there's this idea that once you take or that the structure of dm dna

685
1:16:07 --> 1:16:12
matters that once you stretch it out to look at it or you know splice a piece or cut a piece out

686
1:16:12 --> 1:16:20
it ceases to be what it once was so you can't really experiment on it and i don't i don't really

687
1:16:20 --> 1:16:25
know if you agree with that but i'd be interested in knowing what you think of it um the other thing

688
1:16:25 --> 1:16:30
might be just an opinion on mendel because you know the reading that i've done on mendel is that

689
1:16:30 --> 1:16:37
you know he was pretty much an unreliable monk that did a whole bunch of um experiments on pea

690
1:16:38 --> 1:16:42
plants as we know and he gave us things like genes for traits and laws of inheritance and

691
1:16:42 --> 1:16:53
punnett squares all of which you know are just terribly unreliable um so you know i think darwin

692
1:16:53 --> 1:17:01
based a lot of his model on mendel and you know it's just this this continuum where you know what

693
1:17:01 --> 1:17:08
we're calling genetics now was you know previously uh rebranded from eugenics and from there we get

694
1:17:08 --> 1:17:15
bioethics i mean it's just a big downward you know a hill uh into the abyss right

695
1:17:18 --> 1:17:21
yeah i didn't know when you were when you wanted me to jump in there but um

696
1:17:22 --> 1:17:27
just trying to not load you i mean i think we just think all we we think very much similarly and and i

697
1:17:27 --> 1:17:37
think the the added danger is the the the perceived um role that these have for people that aren't

698
1:17:37 --> 1:17:44
thinking on a very sophisticated biological i mean you know it's it's hard for me i let me let me

699
1:17:44 --> 1:17:52
maybe say it this way um it's very easy for me to see how the transgender issue and the arguing

700
1:17:52 --> 1:18:00
about whether sex is determined by chromosomes is a trap because of course sex is determined by

701
1:18:00 --> 1:18:05
chromosomes just like when you have an extra one you get down syndrome but that doesn't mean that

702
1:18:05 --> 1:18:12
that principle holds true to understand us as a pattern integrity it's like an anecdotal story

703
1:18:12 --> 1:18:18
about like if you take the light bulbs out of one side of your car then only one side will be without

704
1:18:18 --> 1:18:22
light but that it doesn't explain how the whole car works or anything like that and so

705
1:18:23 --> 1:18:30
i i feel very strongly that this is a trap that they're getting us to say that you know genes

706
1:18:30 --> 1:18:35
determine everything including sex as if they're smart and they understand biology and of course

707
1:18:35 --> 1:18:42
it's genes and that's a very dangerous trap and it only dawned on me in the last few weeks that

708
1:18:42 --> 1:18:47
that trap in fact look i even have a i even bought something the other day

709
1:18:49 --> 1:18:54
because i this is what actually cued me into thinking that it was a trap because

710
1:18:54 --> 1:19:01
there's even a thing on x now where they're they're selling hats and say xx and xy and it's a real big

711
1:19:01 --> 1:19:08
campaign to get you know real women in sports and keep the the weird men out but it's also a very

712
1:19:08 --> 1:19:15
seductive way to get people to think that this holds true for all traits then everything is just

713
1:19:15 --> 1:19:19
genes and we understand everything and what we don't understand we just need more data and then

714
1:19:19 --> 1:19:27
we will understand it and that's the day right um you know i get asked a lot of questions by a lot

715
1:19:27 --> 1:19:34
of people who are caught up in this whole nanotech fear porn thing and uh i've never heard you give

716
1:19:34 --> 1:19:39
an opinion on it mine is that it's all crap i don't know where you fall on that but i think

717
1:19:39 --> 1:19:46
you know not to overly reduce it but consciousness doesn't reside in the brain i think most people

718
1:19:46 --> 1:19:53
will agree with that so nothing they you know put in you is going to really affect your you're going

719
1:19:53 --> 1:19:59
to turn anybody into a remote control toy or anything like that i just think it's a um you

720
1:19:59 --> 1:20:04
know it's an easy sci-fi concept to get caught up in and a lot of people are caught up in this and

721
1:20:04 --> 1:20:07
i can't talk them out of it most of them they're just insistent

722
1:20:12 --> 1:20:20
yeah yep all right john is john john thank you for that comment john

723
1:20:21 --> 1:20:24
yeah good good thinking good thoughts marv

724
1:20:24 --> 1:20:34
hey uh i just read this last week in uh gabbar mate's uh the realm of hungry ghosts uh

725
1:20:36 --> 1:20:46
he uh your mud puddle uh organisms have about a hundred thousand genes and the human cells

726
1:20:47 --> 1:20:58
today have about 30 000 and sorts and what's his name these uh the reason that we have fewer genes

727
1:20:58 --> 1:21:08
is the humans or the mammal species has developed this adaptability and we discard genes and add

728
1:21:08 --> 1:21:14
genes to adapt to our to to the new environment or the new conditions

729
1:21:16 --> 1:21:23
and this is fairly recent uh knowledge about the number of genes and this adaptability

730
1:21:24 --> 1:21:31
that our cell that human cells have and this is why we've we've become so different in the last

731
1:21:31 --> 1:21:38
millennium in the last couple of hundred years you know we have a museum here in Salem Oregon

732
1:21:38 --> 1:21:44
where we can visit this and look at the artifacts of people who came here in the 1830s the

733
1:21:44 --> 1:21:55
missionaries these were tiny people i mean if you were 5'5 in 1830 you were a big person a six-footer

734
1:21:55 --> 1:22:00
was unheard of in the 1830s their beds were tiny their shoes were tiny

735
1:22:02 --> 1:22:08
but anyway i wanted to ask you about this the number of genes in the human cell today

736
1:22:08 --> 1:22:15
and its adaptability and the uh i want to see if you've read if you're familiar with this book

737
1:22:17 --> 1:22:23
the mind and the brain neuroplasticity and the power of mental force

738
1:22:23 --> 1:22:35
uh 2002 uh Swartz and Sharon Begley anyway it's just this book is a treasure trove of uh

739
1:22:37 --> 1:22:41
of this information about geneticism so anyway i thought maybe you

740
1:22:42 --> 1:22:49
the main thing is the number of human genes today and the number of human genes in your mud puddle

741
1:22:49 --> 1:22:58
organisms um it's a lot to unpack there because again it we we kind of we get into a scenario

742
1:22:58 --> 1:23:03
very quick and i'm saying this in the most humble i'm not i'm not at all trying to disrespect so

743
1:23:03 --> 1:23:08
don't hear it that way even if it might sound like that at first pass um when we argue about

744
1:23:08 --> 1:23:17
viruses and virology and clones and and and what what they call a quasi species and all of this

745
1:23:17 --> 1:23:24
other stuff a lot of these arguments because they are taking place and the other day on my stream i

746
1:23:24 --> 1:23:30
use this analogy that there is that that the limited spectrum of debate that we're trapped in

747
1:23:30 --> 1:23:35
is actually a very big steel ball and inside of it these people that are keeping us there are

748
1:23:35 --> 1:23:40
riding around these motorcycles that make a lot of noise and the thing goes around like this and

749
1:23:40 --> 1:23:44
it seems like it's really exciting and there's a real debate going on but actually we're not

750
1:23:44 --> 1:23:51
getting anywhere and when we start talking about whether there are 100 000 genes or 30 000 genes

751
1:23:51 --> 1:23:56
we're actually already inside of that ball riding a motorcycle thinking that we're going to go

752
1:23:56 --> 1:24:00
somewhere when we're just going to go around in circles and the audience is going to see us do it

753
1:24:00 --> 1:24:07
and there's going to be fire but we're not going to get anywhere and so i think like i was and

754
1:24:07 --> 1:24:14
still maybe am by discussing this you know those people were smaller well did they eat what we eat

755
1:24:15 --> 1:24:20
did they have access to the food that we do did they have access to the the medicines that we do

756
1:24:21 --> 1:24:27
how many of them you know and and how is our height look now how does our fat content look now and how

757
1:24:27 --> 1:24:32
is that is that genes or what people are eating what toxins are in the present in our environment

758
1:24:32 --> 1:24:36
or for your kids that were not present for the people who came over on the mayflower and so

759
1:24:36 --> 1:24:42
there's lots of pluses and minuses i mean i don't know at this stage how much i was exposed to

760
1:24:42 --> 1:24:47
growth hormone or something like that and all the milk i drank when i was in wisconsin i mean i don't

761
1:24:47 --> 1:24:53
know if drinking milk is something that made me six foot five and if i wasn't drinking milk my

762
1:24:53 --> 1:25:01
whole life i would have only been five ten i don't know all i know for sure is that these people who

763
1:25:01 --> 1:25:08
work at the nih who descend from these geneticists physicists chemists that didn't know enough but

764
1:25:08 --> 1:25:15
knew what they wanted i really i don't i don't i don't have a good interpretation anymore but

765
1:25:15 --> 1:25:22
i know that people being smaller in the past doesn't mean that that genes mean that mean

766
1:25:22 --> 1:25:27
everything i mean i think it's very possible that if you could go back and grab a bunch of babies

767
1:25:27 --> 1:25:33
from that time and bring them to now you would find them expressing phenotypes that were closer

768
1:25:33 --> 1:25:38
to the the people around them that would be so you don't you don't accept this adaptability

769
1:25:39 --> 1:25:48
theory of our cells discarding genes the crocodile i think i think it's much more likely that what what

770
1:25:48 --> 1:25:55
um is is that there is a as as dave said there is a library with the vast majority of which

771
1:25:55 --> 1:26:00
might never be used depending on the environmental and developmental conditions that the animal is

772
1:26:00 --> 1:26:05
exposed to and so it may be that there's an adaptability but it's not an adaptability

773
1:26:05 --> 1:26:10
where you discard genes you just don't read some books sometimes and in other generations you read

774
1:26:10 --> 1:26:17
those books and that is a kind of flexibility that is not a part of the human genome project model

775
1:26:17 --> 1:26:23
it's not a part of this model where you look for genetic diseases and then apply that thinking to

776
1:26:23 --> 1:26:27
understanding a healthy human that's a completely different way of thinking so what you're on to

777
1:26:28 --> 1:26:34
is is in that same general direction that i think we need to go so don't i'm not arguing with you

778
1:26:34 --> 1:26:39
i'm just trying to see if i can show you yeah yeah no that's very good very good thank you

779
1:26:39 --> 1:26:43
yep thank you thank you mav elbert

780
1:26:45 --> 1:26:51
hey jay how you doing could be worse hey i got about uh three or four questions i'm going to

781
1:26:51 --> 1:26:58
ask real fast and you know i'm a simple christian so i apologize in advance for

782
1:26:58 --> 1:27:06
for some of these questions but i believe that god made the baby perfect so with that

783
1:27:06 --> 1:27:14
i was wondering if if you thought uh autism or cancer was uh hereditary

784
1:27:14 --> 1:27:25
um what is it an immortal gene do you think is really cancer and what is aliquoting and do you

785
1:27:25 --> 1:27:33
believe in conferred immunity and i asked you this this one question a long time ago on this zoom and

786
1:27:33 --> 1:27:39
you didn't laugh me out of the room but i i said um you know if there's like good cholesterol and

787
1:27:39 --> 1:27:46
bad cholesterol is there such thing as a good virus and a and a bad virus and you reached out

788
1:27:46 --> 1:27:52
and you pulled out a big book and i would like to have that name again because you said it was very

789
1:27:52 --> 1:27:58
expensive but um i don't know if you remember that but uh anyways those were my questions jay i really

790
1:27:58 --> 1:28:05
appreciate your your brain power uh you're very sweet um i've knocked everything down here let

791
1:28:05 --> 1:28:13
me pull these books over here um the book that you're referring to i'll go backwards um is there's

792
1:28:13 --> 1:28:19
two of them um that i think are really cool and this literature always gets assembled in a weird

793
1:28:19 --> 1:28:28
way i don't know why there's uh i can go over here jay j used to have a book on a table near where you

794
1:28:28 --> 1:28:37
sit which was absolutely massive and a few people asked me what's that big book on jj's um oh it

795
1:28:37 --> 1:28:41
depends if it's if it's the one behind me i've got a great big catholic it was open it was open

796
1:28:42 --> 1:28:46
yeah it was open then it was a big great big catholic bible back there and then otherwise

797
1:28:46 --> 1:28:51
i have a domestic medical practice book that's almost as big as that that catholic bible is

798
1:28:51 --> 1:28:58
from like 1890 um so underneath here is that the visible one can you see that camera yeah

799
1:28:58 --> 1:29:04
so this book is uh edited by gunther wazani and it's called bio communication and natural genome

800
1:29:04 --> 1:29:10
editing a lot of this book is actually viruses and and and endogenous viruses in different systems

801
1:29:10 --> 1:29:18
and then this one um viruses essential agents of life is a huge compilation of studies and essays

802
1:29:18 --> 1:29:25
where people are talking about how um viruses may even influence the epigenetic expression of

803
1:29:25 --> 1:29:31
genes and regulation of genes especially in i mean the the easiest examples are in the phytoplankton

804
1:29:31 --> 1:29:36
in the ocean but the there are some examples from fungi and examples from this is a book i have not

805
1:29:36 --> 1:29:42
barely penetrated it is a book that i just bought on a whim because i thought i had to have it and

806
1:29:42 --> 1:29:47
i haven't penetrated it at all so don't don't let me represent that as having done the reading

807
1:29:47 --> 1:29:53
um you asked me the other guy asked me about nanotech so if you don't mind me just saying one

808
1:29:53 --> 1:29:59
two words about that before i uh go on albert um optogenetics is a thing that a lot of people

809
1:29:59 --> 1:30:05
are talking about lately and there's usually a picture with a blue a blue laser going in by

810
1:30:05 --> 1:30:10
an optic fiber into the head of a mouse and then they're suggesting that they are they are putting

811
1:30:10 --> 1:30:14
this in your brain and they're going to control our mind with optogenetics so let's understand

812
1:30:14 --> 1:30:20
what optogenetics are and understand why this is complete bullshit so optogenetics as they exist

813
1:30:20 --> 1:30:26
in neuroscience right now in any form as far as i know there might be something in darpa that

814
1:30:26 --> 1:30:32
somebody will tell you this again but i don't believe that um is an adenovirus based transformation

815
1:30:33 --> 1:30:43
of an algal protein found in chloroplasts which is actually a blue light gated sodium channel

816
1:30:43 --> 1:30:49
how's that for a long list of words that i just pulled out of my head um essentially what it is

817
1:30:49 --> 1:30:54
is that that neuroscientists have wanted a non-invasive way to control neuronal behavior

818
1:30:55 --> 1:31:02
neurons are known to spike they send signals based on this very quick snap of of ion channels of

819
1:31:02 --> 1:31:07
sodium in and potassium out or maybe it's the other i think it's that way it's been a little

820
1:31:07 --> 1:31:11
while since i taught this but sodium comes in then potassium goes out and so you see this wave and

821
1:31:11 --> 1:31:17
it was originally described in the large axon of a squid but all the neurons in our brain are are

822
1:31:17 --> 1:31:23
sending binary signals where they snap and then they send an electrical signal along their axon

823
1:31:23 --> 1:31:28
and at the end of the axon there's a release of neurotransmitter onto the receiving neuron

824
1:31:28 --> 1:31:33
and if that neuron gets enough neurotransmitter then it will be depolarized and snap and send a

825
1:31:33 --> 1:31:39
signal down its axons to the next neurons and that's how the brain works it's neurons going

826
1:31:39 --> 1:31:45
through this depolarization and promoting it like gene on gene off you know blue yeah so so

827
1:31:45 --> 1:31:53
optogenetics is a a transformation keep in mind i've been trying to teach that for the last five

828
1:31:53 --> 1:32:00
times i've been here an adenovirus with a dna in it encoding that that algal protein that that

829
1:32:00 --> 1:32:06
sodium channel that opens when you shine blue light on it so they take that gene and they put

830
1:32:06 --> 1:32:11
it in an adenovirus using traditional pharmaceutical manufacturing methods

831
1:32:12 --> 1:32:17
and then they take that adenovirus and they sell it to me and i squirted into the mouse of my

832
1:32:17 --> 1:32:24
and the brain of my mouse and all the neurons that are exposed to that and that that get that dna in

833
1:32:24 --> 1:32:29
them will start to express this protein and this protein will insert itself into the membrane and

834
1:32:29 --> 1:32:35
we can stain it and we can show you that it inserts itself into the membrane and when you shine blue

835
1:32:35 --> 1:32:44
light on the neuron by a hole in the head you can make the neurons go bang bang bang bang bang bang

836
1:32:44 --> 1:32:49
or if you shine a little less blue light you can get them to go bang bang bang he shoot a little

837
1:32:49 --> 1:32:53
less blue light you can get a little bang and so then you can do a really bright pulse and you can

838
1:32:53 --> 1:33:00
get everybody to go at once and that's it that's what optogenetics is and so we're able to drive

839
1:33:00 --> 1:33:05
that into different neurons based on what genes they might express we might be able to put it in

840
1:33:05 --> 1:33:11
different places depending on where we squirted the adenovirus you're trying to conflate that

841
1:33:11 --> 1:33:16
into we can make you think the way we and that's absolutely ridiculous yes that's right but you'll

842
1:33:16 --> 1:33:22
have whole people do podcasts about how optogenetics were in the shot and we're all but dead and we're

843
1:33:22 --> 1:33:28
almost remote control and that's just not at all what's going on so then you asked about immortal

844
1:33:28 --> 1:33:35
genes there's just two anecdotal stories i'd like to bring up here most of the the what are called

845
1:33:35 --> 1:33:44
immortal cell lines still need to be renewed from previous passages so what's the best way to say

846
1:33:44 --> 1:33:53
this if you were growing tomato plants and keeping the seeds and you didn't keep the seeds rather but

847
1:33:53 --> 1:33:58
you just grew tomatoes and then you you tried to key out and that's not a good analogy hold on a

848
1:33:58 --> 1:34:05
second the point is is that when you grow cells in a laboratory i guess you probably understand

849
1:34:05 --> 1:34:09
this from the the ridiculous theater of the pandemic when you grow cells in a laboratory

850
1:34:09 --> 1:34:15
you grow them in a dish and at some point they grow so many that they there's no room for them

851
1:34:15 --> 1:34:21
anymore and so what they do is they passage the cells they disconnect them from the agar in a fluid

852
1:34:21 --> 1:34:26
and then they dilute them into two dishes or four dishes and then they let them grow until they cover

853
1:34:26 --> 1:34:32
those dishes and then they split them again and then they use these immortal cells to study stuff

854
1:34:32 --> 1:34:37
they make put some virus on them or whatever the hell they do with them anyway the point is is that

855
1:34:37 --> 1:34:43
that's not an infinite process i've been in those laboratories before i've done a lot of biophysics

856
1:34:43 --> 1:34:50
experiments on potassium channels in cell lines that were immortal but inevitably those cell lines

857
1:34:50 --> 1:34:55
start to grow shitty or they don't really grow anymore they start to die and then you got to go

858
1:34:55 --> 1:35:04
back to the freezer that's the reality and i don't think there are any examples in real laboratories

859
1:35:04 --> 1:35:10
where it's just the the stuff from yesterday being recycled and split and recycled and split

860
1:35:10 --> 1:35:15
and recycled and split and they never go back to a commercial source or they never go back to a

861
1:35:15 --> 1:35:21
renewed source so they never go back to a previous passage i'm almost positive that's true but i'd be

862
1:35:21 --> 1:35:27
happy to be told i'm wrong the other anecdotal story that you should know and you might not know

863
1:35:27 --> 1:35:33
depending on how ubiquitous it is in europe because i don't know how ubiquitous it is in america

864
1:35:34 --> 1:35:38
but i can only tell you the anecdotal story that i told in the beginning of my

865
1:35:39 --> 1:35:46
ron johnson repeat that i did for my own platform where i did basically the same talk that i gave to

866
1:35:47 --> 1:35:52
sucre last week but i did it slower with a little more detail and specifically aimed at ron johnson

867
1:35:53 --> 1:36:03
you might not be aware but one of the most used cell lines in pharmaceuticals and biotech and

868
1:36:03 --> 1:36:12
in academia is the fibroblast and fibroblasts are generated exclusively from the never-ending

869
1:36:12 --> 1:36:20
supply of foreskin that comes from american hospitals has remnant material now at first you

870
1:36:20 --> 1:36:26
might think oh that's all right you know they it's religious i guess or something like that but it's

871
1:36:26 --> 1:36:34
not because all through the 70s in america in order to supply this material parents were told

872
1:36:34 --> 1:36:41
in different parts of the united states that it was a hygiene thing yeah and so it's a hygiene

873
1:36:41 --> 1:36:47
thing where not just the a small portion of it is removed like in a in a religious ceremony but all

874
1:36:47 --> 1:36:56
of it is removed and so being a kid growing up in wisconsin and showering with everybody in elementary

875
1:36:56 --> 1:37:02
school for whatever reason i don't know why that's the way it was at my school i know for a fact that

876
1:37:02 --> 1:37:11
a large majority of the the young males that i grew up with are fully they have nothing and this

877
1:37:11 --> 1:37:15
is a biology discussion so i'm not trying to get graphic here i'm trying to describe to you how

878
1:37:16 --> 1:37:22
the flip side of this is is that i had a guy who i went to um did my graduate study with in the

879
1:37:22 --> 1:37:29
netherlands who married a turkish woman and in so doing he actually got himself circumcised by an

880
1:37:29 --> 1:37:37
imam and kind of you know on it for all practical purposes converted to islam so that he could marry

881
1:37:37 --> 1:37:43
this turkish woman and i assure you that whatever was removed didn't go to a medical remnant sale

882
1:37:43 --> 1:37:51
and get derived into cell culture material because there is a pipeline of this coming from american

883
1:37:51 --> 1:37:57
hospitals and it has been for a long time so are there immortal genes honestly i don't know because

884
1:37:57 --> 1:38:03
i do know that most of the cell culture material that's used in america is not immortal even if

885
1:38:03 --> 1:38:10
they tell you it is there's you should question this this notion and if i'm proven wrong that only

886
1:38:10 --> 1:38:16
means that all of us will have learned it better but i i would be willing to bet it's not aliquoting

887
1:38:16 --> 1:38:21
is just when you have a sample like uh sugar and then you decide that you're going to take a really

888
1:38:21 --> 1:38:25
a big amount of sugar and you're going to put it into little teaspoon size samples so that you can

889
1:38:25 --> 1:38:30
conveniently get a teaspoon whenever you want to and so aliquoting is something that they say they

890
1:38:30 --> 1:38:36
do when they have this dish full of a virus and then they make it into a lot of small samples

891
1:38:36 --> 1:38:40
and send it all around the world any any kind of thing like that would be aliquoting it's not a

892
1:38:40 --> 1:38:45
very special word um and then good virus versus bad virus i guess that was the question about the

893
1:38:45 --> 1:38:50
book so i showed that first i hope that was good that was that what she had yeah that was fine

894
1:38:51 --> 1:38:56
thank you this is dave i'd like to interject something since you're talking about immortal

895
1:38:56 --> 1:39:00
cells i know a lot about them would that be all right that would be great thank you yes please

896
1:39:00 --> 1:39:07
clear this up okay um the immortal cell lines uh are all all of them are aneuploid meaning they

897
1:39:07 --> 1:39:14
have unbalanced chromosomes not all not all of the aneuploid cells live forever but all

898
1:39:14 --> 1:39:19
immortal cell lines like the healer cell line that was the very first one all right they're

899
1:39:19 --> 1:39:26
immortal uh the not i mean the immortal ones are aneuploid the diploid ones the euploid ones will

900
1:39:26 --> 1:39:32
always have this hay flake limit they'll divide maybe 50 50 to 70 fold and then they'll slow down

901
1:39:32 --> 1:39:37
and stop dividing they'll fall apart and everything so that's all i wanted to say the immortal cell

902
1:39:37 --> 1:39:48
lines have to be aneuploid i see well thank you for that thank you dave thanks elbert good job las

903
1:39:51 --> 1:39:55
charles can i just ask david uh they have to be what david what did you say what was that word

904
1:39:56 --> 1:40:04
aneuploid what does that mean aneuploid euploid means balanced you get one complete set of

905
1:40:04 --> 1:40:09
chromosomes from the mother another complete set of chromosomes from the father for a balanced set

906
1:40:09 --> 1:40:16
humans would be 23 plus 23 is 46 aneuploid would be like down syndrome where they got three

907
1:40:16 --> 1:40:25
comp three chromosome uh 21s that's down syndrome all right so that's an unbalanced set of chromosomes

908
1:40:25 --> 1:40:32
aneuploid means not a euploid it's not euploid which means it's not balanced did i answer that

909
1:40:32 --> 1:40:40
for you yeah so what is the significance of that then well you know i'm a cancer researcher

910
1:40:40 --> 1:40:46
and i know a lot about this because cancer cells always are aneuploid there's no such thing as a

911
1:40:46 --> 1:40:54
dip diploid cancer cell doesn't exist in other words all cancer cells have unbalanced chromosomes

912
1:40:55 --> 1:41:01
and it's like shuffling a deck of cards whereas normal human cells always have the exact same

913
1:41:01 --> 1:41:09
composition of 23 and 23 23 from the mother 23 from the father cancer cells never have a balanced

914
1:41:09 --> 1:41:15
set and there's no two cancer cells that have the exact same complement of chromosomes all of them

915
1:41:15 --> 1:41:19
are different they're like snowflakes you know them when you see them but you never see the same one

916
1:41:19 --> 1:41:28
twice yeah so if said so if these things are aneuploid which you ended up saying what does

917
1:41:28 --> 1:41:34
what does that mean what does that mean that they're disorganized or um they're unbalanced

918
1:41:34 --> 1:41:39
they're unbalanced you and what's the significance of that that's what i'm trying to

919
1:41:39 --> 1:41:45
well usually if you're talking about higher organisms like mammals like like we are those

920
1:41:45 --> 1:41:50
cells typically die if they get unbalanced they might live a little while but they're

921
1:41:50 --> 1:41:56
damaged cells all aneuploid cells are damaged none of them are super cells and so why would

922
1:41:56 --> 1:42:03
they use damaged cells david ah but why would they use the aneuploid cells are very unstable

923
1:42:03 --> 1:42:07
whenever they divide they rearrange their chromosomes and at some point they evolve

924
1:42:07 --> 1:42:12
to the point where they live in cell culture for example like the healer cells the healer cells

925
1:42:12 --> 1:42:18
were first discovered in cell culture and and they can just grow forever in the laboratory

926
1:42:19 --> 1:42:25
and cancer cells and they can evolve normal cells do not evolve in cell culture aneuploid

927
1:42:25 --> 1:42:31
cells evolve they they evolve to become drug resistant uh you know most of them will die

928
1:42:31 --> 1:42:35
but some of them will actually become drug resistant that's where drug resistance comes

929
1:42:35 --> 1:42:41
from in cancers it comes from a certain population of these aneuploid cancer cells

930
1:42:41 --> 1:42:47
survive chemotherapy radiation whatever and then they come back later when you stop it that's where

931
1:42:47 --> 1:42:51
it comes from so david why would they use aneuploid cells in your opinion

932
1:42:52 --> 1:42:59
because you can get them commercially and they get them it's the euploid cells that are very very

933
1:42:59 --> 1:43:05
difficult to come by i mean i'm taking the other way around the euploid cells uh can only grow a

934
1:43:05 --> 1:43:12
limited amount of time in the cell culture where aneuploid cells you can grow them forever basically

935
1:43:12 --> 1:43:19
all the research they're doing then is arguably invalid because yes yes that's what i was trying

936
1:43:19 --> 1:43:25
to get out of you david that's exactly what i was trying to get out of you so 99 at least 99 percent

937
1:43:25 --> 1:43:31
of the published data using uh uh cell lines they're aneuploid cell lines and they have

938
1:43:31 --> 1:43:38
nothing really basically nothing to do with reality so it's fraud then well no fraud implies

939
1:43:38 --> 1:43:44
that you consciously are trying to mislead well maybe they are doing doing this stuff now we're

940
1:43:44 --> 1:43:49
going on a little bit too long on this i mean we're taking away from from from what i know david

941
1:43:49 --> 1:43:56
i'm just trying to uh so in the public's mind i'm just trying to get them to think about it you know

942
1:43:56 --> 1:44:02
so all the scientific work on cells is done with these aberrant cells for lack of a better word and

943
1:44:03 --> 1:44:10
so maybe all the conclusions that they get from these experiments which are funded by nih i suppose

944
1:44:10 --> 1:44:17
and uh they're all invalid and of no interest irrelevant irrelevant i tell you what exactly

945
1:44:18 --> 1:44:23
why don't you guys invite me and i'll give a whole little talk about this be happy to do it

946
1:44:23 --> 1:44:28
oh yes can you remember what the topic is uh and you play the i've been yeah you'll have to you'll

947
1:44:28 --> 1:44:33
have to remind me uh what okay so david if you email me that will remind me okay

948
1:44:35 --> 1:44:44
okay thanks that's great so sorry everybody no it's okay otherwise we lost the we wouldn't

949
1:44:44 --> 1:44:49
have understood what aneuploid meant no nobody would have been i thought it was just me

950
1:44:50 --> 1:44:52
okay thank you charles

951
1:44:52 --> 1:44:59
oh charles is gone so lars you're you're it's your go as far as i can see hello lars good to see you

952
1:45:00 --> 1:45:06
all right good to see you your speech at g edward griffin's red pill expo was fantastic

953
1:45:06 --> 1:45:14
and you have only uh accelerated from there it's fascinating to follow you i thought i would

954
1:45:14 --> 1:45:18
ask a question about uh sorry lars whose speech was that i'm so sorry

955
1:45:18 --> 1:45:25
uh jj gave a speech in south dakota that was very very good yeah and and he has improved

956
1:45:25 --> 1:45:32
every time since then so yeah now i i thought i would ask questions about the inability of

957
1:45:32 --> 1:45:38
rna to replicate and pandemic but this is not the topic of the day so i will ask you another

958
1:45:38 --> 1:45:44
question uh are you familiar with professor freeman dyson the professor of science and

959
1:45:45 --> 1:45:52
are you familiar with professor freeman dyson's criticism of the theory of evolution where he

960
1:45:52 --> 1:46:02
refers to a japanese um evolution and biology is called mutu kimura who talks about uh not

961
1:46:02 --> 1:46:09
natural selection but random genetic drift as being the engine of evolutionary change

962
1:46:10 --> 1:46:16
have you seen that i'll i'll put one please put a link in the chat i am not familiar with it

963
1:46:16 --> 1:46:21
honestly this is me you know just just it's actually very very interesting i don't understand it but

964
1:46:21 --> 1:46:27
you will understand it so uh i'll just put it in the in the chat i got it that that's a popular

965
1:46:27 --> 1:46:34
article but if you follow uh professor kimura you will you you will read some very interesting

966
1:46:34 --> 1:46:41
stuff actually very good oh this is wonderful thank you oh no he's a colleague of robert

967
1:46:41 --> 1:46:49
oppenheimer oh no it's exactly the same group of men it's fantastic well done okay this is going

968
1:46:49 --> 1:46:56
to be a good piece of the puzzle this is awesome so have you got a question for jj or yeah well i

969
1:46:56 --> 1:47:05
would like to talk about the i i'd like to find the scientific um proof or the suggestions why

970
1:47:07 --> 1:47:13
rna cannot replicate to become pandemic i i just want the scientific papers but i can call you

971
1:47:13 --> 1:47:19
tomorrow well let me let me flip it around for you and make sure that the the link that i put in the

972
1:47:19 --> 1:47:25
chat with the youtube video when you're you when you're bored watch that youtube video it's a

973
1:47:25 --> 1:47:32
really nice guy he's very popular dude adam rutherford um and the first 25 minutes you can

974
1:47:32 --> 1:47:42
listen to it even at double speed um and really uh when you get to the point where he's explaining

975
1:47:42 --> 1:47:48
what dna is he's going to show you a cartoon of dna replication and he's going to state very clearly

976
1:47:49 --> 1:47:57
that once they discovered the chemical composition and structure of dna and have now demonstrated

977
1:47:57 --> 1:48:06
how it is copied it is this incredibly high fidelity process with a predictable level of error

978
1:48:08 --> 1:48:15
that has gotten us from the mud puddle billions of years later to us and that is reliant on the

979
1:48:15 --> 1:48:22
double stranded structure and the the consequences of the double stranded existence of it meaning it

980
1:48:22 --> 1:48:32
can be proofread and single stranded rna by definition lacks that entirely and so the whole

981
1:48:32 --> 1:48:39
foundation of the primacy of genes and dna and crick and watson and all this stuff is based on

982
1:48:39 --> 1:48:46
the remarkable double stranded nature of that molecule and by definition single

983
1:48:46 --> 1:48:53
stranded positive strand rna viruses lack this and the only protein that they argue

984
1:48:54 --> 1:49:02
circumvents this huge shortcoming is a protein that only their drug remdesivir interacts with

985
1:49:02 --> 1:49:09
it's not possible it's absolutely not possible right but if you look at the consequences of

986
1:49:09 --> 1:49:14
dna and how much effort has been in and put into making sure people understand how

987
1:49:15 --> 1:49:20
wonderful this double stranded nature is and all the wonderful consequences of it including that

988
1:49:20 --> 1:49:26
you have no free will rna doesn't have that so i that's the main argument for me but i can help

989
1:49:26 --> 1:49:33
with more more specific things maybe those those papers for example if i call the leading professor

990
1:49:33 --> 1:49:43
at karolinska institute in stockholm in microbiology and suggest what you just said to us will he agree

991
1:49:43 --> 1:49:49
will he understand or will he i would be happy if you would get me a zoom meeting with him and you

992
1:49:49 --> 1:49:54
and me and we just i would love to do that yeah i mean really yeah that would be great

993
1:49:55 --> 1:50:00
we need you could come and speak to us get jj the professor from karolinska and you you can be the

994
1:50:00 --> 1:50:06
moderator and we need to crack through this now yeah we really do need to crash through this yeah

995
1:50:06 --> 1:50:13
absolutely you have the answers we just need to break through in in in reality with your a lot

996
1:50:13 --> 1:50:17
of people have the answers there's a lot of biologists out there that would come to our rescue

997
1:50:17 --> 1:50:22
immediately and say more or less that i didn't say it as clever as that but that's definitely

998
1:50:22 --> 1:50:27
what i think and and that would be wonderful right if these kinds of people would carry that

999
1:50:27 --> 1:50:32
flag forward for us we'd really have a we'd really have something so large can you set up a

1000
1:50:32 --> 1:50:38
discussion like that and and moderate it or i'll see if he'll see if he's interested

1001
1:50:39 --> 1:50:47
yeah he will be it could be that they know the truth and are scared that could be oh yes well

1002
1:50:47 --> 1:50:56
ask him nicely then lash go and see him i tried to be nice thank you jj i think before lunch tomorrow

1003
1:50:59 --> 1:51:01
very good thanks last jennet

1004
1:51:04 --> 1:51:11
uh yeah just um a couple of comments and a question so um one comment goes back to the

1005
1:51:12 --> 1:51:17
theory of evolution and and i just wanted to mention that there's a uk doctor i think he's

1006
1:51:17 --> 1:51:26
a gp called james lefano he wrote a book entitled why us in 2009 in which he explains that the

1007
1:51:26 --> 1:51:33
survival of the fittest evolution theory is only unproven and he gives examples where there are no

1008
1:51:33 --> 1:51:40
intermediate forms that confer survival advantage so for example there is no intermediate stage

1009
1:51:40 --> 1:51:47
between quadripedal and bipedal that confers a survival advantage so that breaks the link

1010
1:51:47 --> 1:51:55
really between animals and humans right um the question can you say the last name again james

1011
1:51:55 --> 1:52:08
james land who lefano l e l e capital f a n u james lefano and he talks about there being no

1012
1:52:08 --> 1:52:13
intermediate um stages in the development of the eye which confers a survival advantage as well

1013
1:52:14 --> 1:52:19
and it's very funny because yes there's another guy who made that argument and actually when i was

1014
1:52:19 --> 1:52:26
a freshman in college i and the very first lecture at de paul university i can still remember his

1015
1:52:26 --> 1:52:30
name is beck i can't remember his first name but he was the dean of the biology department

1016
1:52:31 --> 1:52:37
and he was telling us about evolution and i said i just want i'm not asking this i even framed it

1017
1:52:37 --> 1:52:42
perfectly i said i'm not asking this as a gotcha moment i'm asking you to help me have a good

1018
1:52:42 --> 1:52:48
answer for this but what about the lack of intermediate like usefulness of the eye and

1019
1:52:48 --> 1:52:56
how many times vision has evolved and he stuttered and stammered and it was one of the most like oh

1020
1:52:56 --> 1:53:01
darn i didn't mean to hurt you like i really thought it was i was being the right kind of

1021
1:53:01 --> 1:53:07
smart kid you know like hey i i get this question a lot from people and i really want to be able to

1022
1:53:07 --> 1:53:12
answer it and he couldn't give it a very good he was not prepared for that it was really funny so

1023
1:53:12 --> 1:53:17
i'm i'm happy that you mentioned i haven't heard the book but i'll i'll get it yeah um my question

1024
1:53:17 --> 1:53:24
is if there aren't enough genes to explain the entire construction of the human body in other

1025
1:53:24 --> 1:53:31
words how the proteins are actually put together what is junk dna is it still a concept and is

1026
1:53:31 --> 1:53:36
its function still a mystery yeah i mean i absolutely think that's probably the case the

1027
1:53:36 --> 1:53:46
other thing to consider is the idea that that um the code could be somehow uh unimaginably

1028
1:53:46 --> 1:53:55
layered to us uh sorry layered but invisible to us so um you know not that dissimilar to how people

1029
1:53:55 --> 1:53:59
say that you know if you read a book and you only circle the certain number of letters then you can

1030
1:53:59 --> 1:54:05
see another message or if you if you uh use the if you add up all the numbers across the line and

1031
1:54:05 --> 1:54:13
did this then you could find another message um it is not entirely ridiculous and i don't i don't

1032
1:54:13 --> 1:54:20
necessarily disbelieve the idea that that within the the nucleus they were able to identify

1033
1:54:21 --> 1:54:28
molecules of dna that seem to correspond to sequences that maybe can be related to proteins

1034
1:54:28 --> 1:54:35
and and that central dogma in some way exists and i'm not arguing that that that in some ways that's

1035
1:54:35 --> 1:54:43
not true what i am suggesting is that that is wholly insufficient for us to jump from that

1036
1:54:44 --> 1:54:50
those limited observations in those limited chemical preparations in those limited you know

1037
1:54:50 --> 1:54:57
hyper pure genetic signals or whatever system that we're looking in to use that to generalize

1038
1:54:57 --> 1:55:02
that well it's just a matter of figuring out where all the other moving parts are and then

1039
1:55:02 --> 1:55:07
basically free will will be eliminated and there's no need to talk about god or spirituality

1040
1:55:07 --> 1:55:12
because we're just a bunch of spinning wheels and bubbling chemicals and that's the part um

1041
1:55:13 --> 1:55:21
that i think i was trapped in a lot of my my colleagues are still trapped in because we all

1042
1:55:21 --> 1:55:27
took the same lessons from the same people who already were trapped in it none of my biology

1043
1:55:27 --> 1:55:33
teachers were aware of this these shortcomings but instead were given just enough understanding

1044
1:55:33 --> 1:55:38
so that their imagination would happily fill in all the blanks and that's what's very enticing

1045
1:55:38 --> 1:55:44
about it what is junk dna then if there isn't well i think it's just a bad name for it you could if

1046
1:55:44 --> 1:55:48
you if you had a chinese book and you only knew five characters and you told said that all the

1047
1:55:48 --> 1:55:53
other characters were junk characters that wouldn't be a very adequate way to describe it right

1048
1:55:53 --> 1:55:59
okay and i think that's the way to think about it just because it's repeated and so repeats to us

1049
1:55:59 --> 1:56:04
seem to mean nothing or something like that doesn't mean that when it's folded on itself and read in a

1050
1:56:04 --> 1:56:10
different way that it wouldn't reveal a third dimensional structure code or any other possibilities

1051
1:56:10 --> 1:56:16
that we haven't considered that go beyond this list of characters right yeah yeah i just the the

1052
1:56:16 --> 1:56:22
third thing i wanted to mention i was pleased that you mentioned the issue of circumcision

1053
1:56:22 --> 1:56:30
because i was involved in researching to this quite a few years ago and these babies in america

1054
1:56:30 --> 1:56:38
in particular are circumcised shortly after birth without anesthetic and even though they were very

1055
1:56:38 --> 1:56:45
tiny a number of these babies actually when they grow up they actually have post-traumatic stress

1056
1:56:45 --> 1:56:52
disorder and i did a research project on this and these people who have been circumcised which is

1057
1:56:52 --> 1:56:59
basically the equivalent of a sexual assault in a very undefended human being can lead to

1058
1:56:59 --> 1:57:08
a severe psychological damage and there are some people within this anti-circumcision movement

1059
1:57:08 --> 1:57:14
who are actually suggesting that the psychological damage which is done to babies actually prepares

1060
1:57:15 --> 1:57:21
males in america to serve in the military because they are sufficiently disengaged from their their

1061
1:57:21 --> 1:57:26
own emotions but i just i just wanted to say thank you for mentioning i would love it if you would

1062
1:57:26 --> 1:57:31
send me an email or something i would love to talk to you more about it because it is a it is one of

1063
1:57:31 --> 1:57:39
those things that i think um especially as you said in america there are lots of men who could

1064
1:57:39 --> 1:57:45
think deeply about about their circumstances i mean you know when you when that happens on the

1065
1:57:45 --> 1:57:52
other hand you know you don't know any different and so you're not aware number one of whatever

1066
1:57:52 --> 1:57:58
potential sort of psychological effects would be there but you're also not aware of the context

1067
1:57:58 --> 1:58:04
and that's why i brought up that context of my friend in the netherlands because the ceremonial

1068
1:58:04 --> 1:58:11
removal of of of some foreskin is very different to what they do to those babies where they remove

1069
1:58:11 --> 1:58:18
it all these are there are a lot of kids that have scars from this because that that's what you you

1070
1:58:18 --> 1:58:24
you're not just again i don't want to be too graphic but it's it's very they're two very

1071
1:58:24 --> 1:58:31
different amounts of tissue that are removed and what parts are left a full circumcision of the

1072
1:58:31 --> 1:58:36
foreskin removes 50 of the penile skin and most people say oh that's ridiculous but it is actually

1073
1:58:36 --> 1:58:42
true it's absolutely true i know for sure it's true simply because i grew up with kids of both

1074
1:58:42 --> 1:58:49
conditions and so um it's burnt into my head i have years of of showering with these kids so i know

1075
1:58:49 --> 1:58:54
um the difference definitely and there's a book there's a book by a chap called jim bigelow called

1076
1:58:54 --> 1:59:04
joy of uncircumcising where men who want to restore their foreskins can do so and it's brought a lot

1077
1:59:04 --> 1:59:11
of relief to a lot of men so wow i've never heard of that before that's crazy um wow okay well again

1078
1:59:11 --> 1:59:16
like i said this is just something that in in terms of especially america i think there's a huge

1079
1:59:16 --> 1:59:19
awakening that could take place because there's nothing other than malevolence that can be

1080
1:59:19 --> 1:59:25
attributed to that especially when you realize that there was a whole you know industry of of

1081
1:59:25 --> 1:59:30
medical remnants that has not gone away it's just gotten better and better in america yeah and what

1082
1:59:30 --> 1:59:37
is your email address um i'll put it in the chat right now thank you so jj um janet's a british

1083
1:59:37 --> 1:59:45
doctor nice i'm very excited to meet you and yeah and likewise there you go i think whoops did i do

1084
1:59:45 --> 1:59:56
that no i didn't what the hell just happened there and she helped with um um david kelly

1085
1:59:57 --> 2:00:00
but also uh worked on doctors for a son as well

1086
2:00:07 --> 2:00:09
so she understands

1087
2:00:09 --> 2:00:17
oh tom are you next um thanks tom's next yep i yeah i can go um yeah thanks as usual part of this i

1088
2:00:17 --> 2:00:23
think your teaching is so valuable and so i'm not directly addressing the um the it seems almost

1089
2:00:23 --> 2:00:29
philosophical or metaphysical issue of free will and you know the watch that would just some sort

1090
2:00:29 --> 2:00:38
of wind-up watch um but i'm a blind watchmaker oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm

1091
2:00:39 --> 2:00:47
okay all right so so uh yeah a few things and i'm not really good at doing this but i want to just

1092
2:00:47 --> 2:00:53
kind of shotgun through here so uh and maybe if you want if you'd allow me to do a few things

1093
2:00:53 --> 2:01:01
maybe if you want to interrupt and just answer uh endos uh cytosis that was introduced recently to

1094
2:01:01 --> 2:01:07
me in a meeting it just seemed like a good term because we need to like tell stories to people that

1095
2:01:08 --> 2:01:15
um you know that are uninformed and it and i think that's part of trans transfection

1096
2:01:16 --> 2:01:22
and you know and maybe you could hit on that the other one is um i heard now some of this is coming

1097
2:01:22 --> 2:01:31
out of the doctors for covid ethics meeting the the process of self-replicating dna uh the japanese

1098
2:01:32 --> 2:01:38
jabs and i heard someone in that meeting describing that as a process that only replicates

1099
2:01:38 --> 2:01:45
the dna and does not replicate any proteins i don't know if you so that's something to comment on

1100
2:01:45 --> 2:01:54
oh and then uh michael palmer speculated about the formation of the casts in the um you know the long

1101
2:01:54 --> 2:02:01
stringy material that they pull out of carotid arteries and so forth and he was simply speculating

1102
2:02:01 --> 2:02:09
that it's a process of the that's triggered by the irritation of the endothelial cells and um

1103
2:02:09 --> 2:02:16
and this there was a woman in that was doing the presentation and her name is she's a professor

1104
2:02:16 --> 2:02:26
uh anna s ulreich uh i believe martina who's here also watched this and she she agreed that that

1105
2:02:26 --> 2:02:34
might be the case that and and this was in the context of discussing um i don't know if i

1106
2:02:34 --> 2:02:43
mentioned the name but anna um mahal sia who believes that there's um blinky lights and

1107
2:02:43 --> 2:02:52
nanobots and emf and intra body communication between the nanopods and oh wow yeah okay that's

1108
2:02:52 --> 2:02:59
a good one um yeah well wait let me just oh yeah go ahead look back and say that professor uh anna

1109
2:02:59 --> 2:03:06
ulreich said no no this is just uh this is just crystallization and it's well documented

1110
2:03:07 --> 2:03:11
and then after this i have one yeah why don't you comment i have maybe two more and that's it

1111
2:03:12 --> 2:03:18
um so endocytosis is a pretty general word for when two membranes merge and so it oftentimes

1112
2:03:18 --> 2:03:25
refers to when a smaller vesicles taken up by a cell in in the use of a lipid nanoparticle

1113
2:03:25 --> 2:03:31
and transfection you're going to have what is endocytosis of the of the lipid nanoparticle so

1114
2:03:31 --> 2:03:39
also i think you could describe the uptake of uh a adenovirus particle as endocytosis although

1115
2:03:39 --> 2:03:44
maybe there are people who would argue with that so i don't i don't think that it's a very specific

1116
2:03:44 --> 2:03:53
term i think it's pretty can be broadly applied um self-replicating rna is on dna sorry it i but

1117
2:03:53 --> 2:03:59
the the mrna is actually what they're doing in japan i don't think it's oh um okay all right

1118
2:03:59 --> 2:04:07
and so the self-replicating rna is actually as far as we can you know as we can discern

1119
2:04:07 --> 2:04:13
they are using a viral rna dependent rna polymerase and i can't remember off the top of my head what

1120
2:04:13 --> 2:04:19
one it is but i know that it's in the paper you can see they did just take it from uh some some

1121
2:04:19 --> 2:04:26
pathogen that has an rna dependent rna polymerase and then they're putting that in uh the the same

1122
2:04:26 --> 2:04:32
mrna construct as the as the antigen rna and then their argument is is that they would have to give

1123
2:04:32 --> 2:04:41
you less lipid nanoparticle and less chemically altered mrna because this chemically m or

1124
2:04:41 --> 2:04:47
chemically altered rna will replicate itself now that's an interesting claim and it's an

1125
2:04:47 --> 2:04:53
interesting differentiation between the two mechanisms because remember the reason why we

1126
2:04:53 --> 2:05:00
had to make it m1 pseudo uredine was to prevent the immune system from reacting to it and the

1127
2:05:00 --> 2:05:10
immune system ignores it but if you take a mrna and it's self-replicating then by definition

1128
2:05:10 --> 2:05:16
it's going to self replicate itself not in the presence of the chemical reaction that would

1129
2:05:16 --> 2:05:24
alter it into the m1 pseudo uredine rna which would mean that then you're making a non-protected

1130
2:05:24 --> 2:05:30
or non-chemically altered rna which won't go through and see that here's the problem that that

1131
2:05:30 --> 2:05:38
i just see when i think about it that if they tell you that the first one worked or x y and z

1132
2:05:39 --> 2:05:44
then this one won't work for that reason because it can't be chemically altered because it will

1133
2:05:44 --> 2:05:51
be made in your body we're using your own your own nucleotides which are not going to be chemically

1134
2:05:51 --> 2:05:56
altered whereas the one that they put in the original shot or whatever supposedly all of the

1135
2:05:56 --> 2:06:01
uracils were chemically altered so the self-replicating mrna presents a whole

1136
2:06:01 --> 2:06:07
another set of problems that actually were in the original version of this that robert

1137
2:06:07 --> 2:06:11
malone said all those years ago didn't really work out for him because the immune response was

1138
2:06:11 --> 2:06:16
too strong so the self-replicating rna thing is quite frustrating to me because again

1139
2:06:17 --> 2:06:21
people got on the internet saying that oh they're releasing this and now there's going to be a new

1140
2:06:21 --> 2:06:28
rna spreading around and so you better stay away from those people and i think it's all it's

1141
2:06:28 --> 2:06:36
probably it's probably a gross over exaggeration of even the potential best case scenario of joining

1142
2:06:36 --> 2:06:41
an rna-dependent rna polymerase to another transcript and then thinking that that was

1143
2:06:41 --> 2:06:47
going to somehow work out um if anything to me quite honestly i would say tom that this

1144
2:06:47 --> 2:06:56
almost seems to edify the idea that they have known that there are self-replicating rna signals

1145
2:06:56 --> 2:07:02
that have a limited spectrum of coverage in our families or in our cons specific groups or in

1146
2:07:02 --> 2:07:09
our classrooms that occasionally manifest in respiratory disease and other you know maybe

1147
2:07:09 --> 2:07:16
what appear to be contagions but the fidelity and endurance and ability for these things and signals

1148
2:07:16 --> 2:07:22
to sustain themselves over thousands or millions or billions of people is ridiculous and so um

1149
2:07:23 --> 2:07:27
we're at a stage now where they they have always been trying to play with this system

1150
2:07:28 --> 2:07:33
and so in playing with this system they've told us stories like aids they've told us stories like

1151
2:07:33 --> 2:07:39
chronic fatigue syndrome they've told us stories like like epstein bar virus and they've told us

1152
2:07:39 --> 2:07:46
stories like coronavirus the pandemic all to disguise this you know almost endless field of

1153
2:07:46 --> 2:07:53
of of packet genetic communication that they know has to do with with health and evolution and

1154
2:07:53 --> 2:08:00
disease and and and sickness and and cons specific signaling they probably even know it has to do

1155
2:08:00 --> 2:08:06
with whether you are attracted to your mate and enjoy kissing her so for me the the the issue is

1156
2:08:07 --> 2:08:14
the confusion and the implication that they have already developed these high fidelity molecular

1157
2:08:14 --> 2:08:20
tools that they can make and use on people and so the more they get people riled up about a

1158
2:08:20 --> 2:08:26
self-replicating rna that's going to spread from japan if we let airplanes fly the more that people

1159
2:08:26 --> 2:08:32
buy into this idea that these molecular tools work in this high fidelity way and so i i have to

1160
2:08:32 --> 2:08:40
believe that this is almost exclusively exaggeration and that's why um you know the the details of it

1161
2:08:40 --> 2:08:45
and the discussion of it is not really framed in what i feel like is any different than gain

1162
2:08:45 --> 2:08:49
of function viruses so michael palmer saying it's an irritation of the endothelium

1163
2:08:50 --> 2:08:55
i don't think there's anything wrong with that again because we don't know really what these

1164
2:08:55 --> 2:08:59
lipid nanoparticles are really going to do especially after their ph changes and they

1165
2:08:59 --> 2:09:06
become much more toxic and it's very likely that that this is a possibility but again i don't i

1166
2:09:06 --> 2:09:11
don't think there's any reason to speculate too much about it simply because what they've told us

1167
2:09:11 --> 2:09:18
that it's covid or that it's the spike protein or or whatever it can't be the case um relative

1168
2:09:18 --> 2:09:25
to just you know a general effect of transfecting the epi endothelium and and transfecting the

1169
2:09:25 --> 2:09:31
endothelium will have all kinds of terrible consequences and maybe one of them is a a

1170
2:09:31 --> 2:09:38
activation of the clotting mechanism remember that in case you have forgotten um the transfection

1171
2:09:38 --> 2:09:45
agents that are listed in all of the papers previous to the pandemic one of the the

1172
2:09:46 --> 2:09:53
the overarching themes was that where they went was then what where they meant them to go so when

1173
2:09:53 --> 2:09:57
lipid nanoparticles first came out and they started using them they realized that almost all of them

1174
2:09:57 --> 2:10:02
went to the liver so the first thing they said was hey these are liver targeting lipid nanoparticles

1175
2:10:02 --> 2:10:07
even though it had nothing to do with targeting the liver it's just where they mostly went and

1176
2:10:07 --> 2:10:12
another way place that they went that they said that they could be useful for was platelets

1177
2:10:13 --> 2:10:19
lipid nanoparticles go to platelets for some reason and many of them do and so that could also be

1178
2:10:21 --> 2:10:25
a cell type that's irritated here and of course platelets being irritated would

1179
2:10:25 --> 2:10:29
would very quickly get you to the clotting mechanism so um i think sukrit bhakti would

1180
2:10:29 --> 2:10:35
be better to talk about that than me and then the nanobot light lady drove me bananas in the same

1181
2:10:35 --> 2:10:42
way that um a guy by the name of kevin mccairn who also put a bunch of of of stuff under a light

1182
2:10:42 --> 2:10:49
microscope and then said he found or didn't find things um the first and foremost thing to remember

1183
2:10:49 --> 2:10:54
about light microscopy is that if you don't know how they did it the chances of them seeing

1184
2:10:54 --> 2:10:59
something that is significant versus something that's random um it's almost always going to be

1185
2:10:59 --> 2:11:06
something random because light microscopy can make dust look interesting it can make dirt look

1186
2:11:06 --> 2:11:12
interesting it can make dirt look alive and it can make dirt look sparkly especially if the field of

1187
2:11:12 --> 2:11:16
view is adjusted in such a way that things are coming in and out of the field of view

1188
2:11:16 --> 2:11:20
and the light source is angled in such a way that things can move in and out of the light source

1189
2:11:20 --> 2:11:26
you can have things look like they're sparkling i was just absolutely livid when i heard that

1190
2:11:26 --> 2:11:33
lady say on a chd video that this is blue light sparkling in this sample but she had a backlight

1191
2:11:33 --> 2:11:39
on it's like if there's blue light being generated here please turn off all the external illumination

1192
2:11:39 --> 2:11:45
and show me it's blue light um and this is just the very beginning of it so for me um if they're

1193
2:11:45 --> 2:11:51
not using anything but light microscopy and they haven't been using light microscopy for many many

1194
2:11:52 --> 2:12:00
years um then it's most likely bullshit i'm sorry but it is uh and i think that lady was very much

1195
2:12:00 --> 2:12:06
not looking at what she said she was looking at and i don't know anything about the the um

1196
2:12:07 --> 2:12:11
the signals there's some people are purporting that there's some kind of code that comes out

1197
2:12:11 --> 2:12:16
of these things i don't know what they call it anymore but i don't know mac address um mac address

1198
2:12:16 --> 2:12:21
that's right so so two more things well maybe a couple statements and you can

1199
2:12:21 --> 2:12:27
contradict them if they're wrong so in in the meeting urnst um who's a german scientist he had

1200
2:12:27 --> 2:12:35
done uh i think ramma mass spectroscopy on on the vials on the jab vials a couple years ago

1201
2:12:35 --> 2:12:43
and he he chimed in and he suggested that some of the discovery of graphene may be an artifact of

1202
2:12:43 --> 2:12:48
them in other that they actually created the graphene in the process of of looking at the

1203
2:12:48 --> 2:12:58
vials by mistake and then um the and so he says no graphene um and so so does the professor uh

1204
2:12:58 --> 2:13:06
ulrich um and then just test me on this my understanding of the nano lipid particles

1205
2:13:06 --> 2:13:14
is that each molecule in the um each molecule is on the order of 2000 atomic weight you know like

1206
2:13:14 --> 2:13:22
on the periodic table atomic weight and that these molecules um have dipoles and they get

1207
2:13:22 --> 2:13:31
vibrated and then they self-assemble into the larger 50 to nanometer uh nano lipid particles

1208
2:13:31 --> 2:13:39
and you know leave in there now i i heard it was in some cases i heard multiple strands of mrna

1209
2:13:39 --> 2:13:46
and other cases i just heard one i don't know so there's that and then here's a thought experiment

1210
2:13:46 --> 2:13:52
let's say you did let's say it was 2017 and you had a lateral flow test that you get got from the

1211
2:13:52 --> 2:14:01
grocery store would the background interactions in the population generate any positives i mean

1212
2:14:02 --> 2:14:07
that's what i think i think that's definitely what would happen i don't obviously we can't go back

1213
2:14:07 --> 2:14:13
in time and do it um but yeah that's that would be my premise that that the that the pcr test

1214
2:14:13 --> 2:14:20
wasn't and it could have been again i really think that you can't underestimate the malevolence here

1215
2:14:20 --> 2:14:25
so there could have been a couple tests that were fairly accurate for some known background

1216
2:14:25 --> 2:14:32
signal then a bunch of tests that were absolutely nonsense um but even the lateral flow the grocery

1217
2:14:32 --> 2:14:38
store test not the pcr yeah the lateral flow test too i mean how do how do we know um

1218
2:14:40 --> 2:14:49
how do how do we know that they're not testing for a a um an endogenous protein uh because again

1219
2:14:49 --> 2:14:56
when you buy one of those tests you're trusting everything about it uh and so the the assumption

1220
2:14:56 --> 2:15:06
that everything here's another example so my friend lives in um in australia and he's he just

1221
2:15:06 --> 2:15:13
moved house and in moving house he found a whole box full of these lateral flow tests that were

1222
2:15:13 --> 2:15:20
being given out by the case to every family in australia so that students could test for

1223
2:15:20 --> 2:15:27
before school um and all of these tests were manufactured in china all of them and he had

1224
2:15:27 --> 2:15:31
he had he sent me a picture and i couldn't believe it they were like six different ones

1225
2:15:32 --> 2:15:38
and they came from two different places in china and the australian government was buying hundreds

1226
2:15:38 --> 2:15:46
of millions of these tests that were being produced in china and so for me it becomes

1227
2:15:46 --> 2:15:54
almost too easy um for this to have been gamed in such a way on a known background so that any

1228
2:15:55 --> 2:16:03
cursory investigation into the molecular fidelity would not reveal anything untoward and uh now they

1229
2:16:03 --> 2:16:10
can easily be having an abit test with 17 targets that again um are part of a background that may

1230
2:16:10 --> 2:16:14
or may not be there and definitely doesn't need to correlate with symptomology for it to be

1231
2:16:14 --> 2:16:22
something that all hospitals will buy and use as standard um i don't have a lot of answers anymore

1232
2:16:22 --> 2:16:28
other than i don't know um i just know that they're probably lying about this if it's if it's a high

1233
2:16:28 --> 2:16:34
fidelity yes or no answer um yeah i know that's not very satisfying but

1234
2:16:37 --> 2:16:44
thanks again yeah you happy with that tom yeah very good so uh well craig pardacuper had his

1235
2:16:44 --> 2:16:54
hand up but i'm not even sure he's on the call now um yeah so um one of the things that was really

1236
2:16:54 --> 2:17:02
impressed on us that as children at school um jj was uh the discovery by watson and crick of

1237
2:17:02 --> 2:17:10
the double helix and all the structure of dna um and now in the context of what's happened in the

1238
2:17:10 --> 2:17:18
last five years i'm thinking hmm i wonder why that assumes such incredible you should really look as

1239
2:17:18 --> 2:17:24
if you chase down anything what you ought to do is chase down um the writings of watson in his later

1240
2:17:24 --> 2:17:31
life because he almost feels like he's trying to admit it like he regrets it um watson in particular

1241
2:17:31 --> 2:17:36
i've found i didn't i don't have anything available it's it's part it's in the different notebooks

1242
2:17:36 --> 2:17:43
i think my question to you is jj what's the discovery or the uh the the science that they

1243
2:17:43 --> 2:17:52
uh they they determined the structure of the oxo ribonucleic acid dna um and

1244
2:17:54 --> 2:18:02
if there was uh if it was a psyop the whole thing about dna you know the discovery of this and um

1245
2:18:03 --> 2:18:08
what do you think their intention was in the future if or do you think that there were motives

1246
2:18:08 --> 2:18:13
for this why was it so important in our education no i think it's much more about the fact that

1247
2:18:13 --> 2:18:18
at the time they didn't know what they were doing they didn't know how complex it would be and so at

1248
2:18:18 --> 2:18:26
the time given the state of mind that they were in it was very enticing for that to be the ultimate

1249
2:18:26 --> 2:18:32
answer and then to go with it and only 20 or 30 years later would somebody like watson realize

1250
2:18:32 --> 2:18:36
that wow that was a mistake and look at what we've done well yeah but why would he think that

1251
2:18:36 --> 2:18:43
just explain to the people watching why watson might think that you know this was a mistake and

1252
2:18:43 --> 2:18:51
that um this was going to be misused maybe was that his fear or or what yeah well i think it i

1253
2:18:51 --> 2:18:59
think what it did was that it unfortunately gives credence to the idea that that maybe we need to be

1254
2:18:59 --> 2:19:06
governed this way that we need to be bred um and that it's worthwhile to do that um and and that

1255
2:19:06 --> 2:19:13
i think is what he may have regretted most because if that indeed that foundation isn't so simple then

1256
2:19:14 --> 2:19:19
then that argument doesn't hold water right i mean maybe there is a combination of genes that we

1257
2:19:19 --> 2:19:25
haven't reached yet and and we'll never reach if if we don't continue on the path we're on but instead

1258
2:19:25 --> 2:19:33
try to breed the best human that we can come up with um so do you think that watson was trying to

1259
2:19:33 --> 2:19:40
do his best to to establish the truth um i i think he was he was trying to slow that train down um i

1260
2:19:40 --> 2:19:47
don't think you know anybody could stop it at that point because it had so much pent up momentum

1261
2:19:47 --> 2:19:54
from this assumption that way they would find that piece so what so i still haven't quite understood

1262
2:19:54 --> 2:20:01
jj what you think watson was upset about what what exactly was he afraid of well this idea right that

1263
2:20:01 --> 2:20:11
that what what i think um schrodinger is also hinting at that that all they had to do was

1264
2:20:11 --> 2:20:19
find justification to think that life boils down to physics and chemistry and this was the

1265
2:20:19 --> 2:20:25
justification that they needed and watson doesn't think it's sufficient to make that jump that now

1266
2:20:25 --> 2:20:29
we're just physics and chemistry and there's no free will that that's a very terrifying place to be

1267
2:20:30 --> 2:20:36
um especially in that time when that was putting really out in the spot about whether or not faith

1268
2:20:36 --> 2:20:42
was real i mean now we're in a i grew up in a world where it was okay not to care about god and i was

1269
2:20:42 --> 2:20:50
weird because i was catholic like that and so watson was upset so watson was upset that his

1270
2:20:50 --> 2:20:57
research with prick was going to lead to some people saying that life was just about chemistry

1271
2:20:57 --> 2:21:01
and physics and nothing to do with god is that what you're saying i am saying that and i'm saying

1272
2:21:01 --> 2:21:07
that there were people in the catholic church who were waiting to say it that wanted to say it that

1273
2:21:07 --> 2:21:15
that essentially that that we had not reached the the the final divine form of humankind and that

1274
2:21:15 --> 2:21:20
that this was the revelation we need so why would people in the catholic church be saying that

1275
2:21:21 --> 2:21:25
well i don't know maybe they're not really catholics they're jesuits they're all jesuits

1276
2:21:25 --> 2:21:31
so i guess if you want to go down that's that path that's that's really one of the the things

1277
2:21:31 --> 2:21:37
to realize is that all the catholics that think this are jesuits um for better or for worse that

1278
2:21:37 --> 2:21:43
that's it this is the king jesuit this this day chardin guy he's written a lot of books one of

1279
2:21:43 --> 2:21:54
them is called the future of man go figure yeah so did watson ever give them reason for us to believe

1280
2:21:54 --> 2:22:00
that uh what they found where he didn't believe it himself or you know were they misrepresented

1281
2:22:00 --> 2:22:06
and they knew that they were misrepresented or yeah i i think so i mean that's that's what i gather

1282
2:22:06 --> 2:22:11
there's not very much to find because i don't think people want you to know how skeptical he was um

1283
2:22:12 --> 2:22:20
yeah i mean again i agree a lot with dave you know there could be a library of of proteins in a cell

1284
2:22:20 --> 2:22:30
that has has no other information in it and that's why because we life forms share a lot of the

1285
2:22:30 --> 2:22:36
proteins that a lot of the the the signals that we can detect there if we amplify it high enough are

1286
2:22:36 --> 2:22:43
are shared that's not that's not crazy to me um but it still is only a snapshot of now and we have

1287
2:22:43 --> 2:22:51
no snapshots that that that would allow us to justify the thinking that we came from mud puddle

1288
2:22:51 --> 2:23:01
none so essentially um watson was worrying that uh human beings would uh without justification

1289
2:23:02 --> 2:23:09
get more power and believe in their um in their importance more at the expense of god is that

1290
2:23:09 --> 2:23:16
correct maybe or maybe people could be governed that way you know i mean i i think that that for

1291
2:23:16 --> 2:23:26
sure the the something happened over the course of of of the enlightenment and whatever where people

1292
2:23:27 --> 2:23:34
turned inward and outward in exactly the right way so that that that that we we made a lot of

1293
2:23:34 --> 2:23:40
progress and that progress has been i think significantly hampered and stalled and maybe

1294
2:23:40 --> 2:23:47
even misdirected by by the the trends in biology in the last couple generations so so the reason

1295
2:23:47 --> 2:23:54
they were emphasizing the importance of the uh work of watson and crick in the united kingdom

1296
2:23:54 --> 2:24:03
when i was a child that was all about taking people away from uh god essentially yeah and uh

1297
2:24:04 --> 2:24:13
and um so leading people to believe that uh science is fantastic you know and that um i mean

1298
2:24:13 --> 2:24:25
if you read this book there is no way to read or hear anything other than the joy that god is really

1299
2:24:25 --> 2:24:32
hands off it's a process that god put in motion and since then has just been watching from the

1300
2:24:32 --> 2:24:38
sidelines and so the moment we decide to take the wheel and drive the car we can that's the argument

1301
2:24:38 --> 2:24:45
that this guy has been making since the 30s that then julian huxley published and then julian huxley

1302
2:24:45 --> 2:24:51
went on to write this man and his future book like 10 years later with people like hillary

1303
2:24:51 --> 2:24:57
kaprowski and herman moller and all the same ideas are in there it's all the same concept of

1304
2:24:57 --> 2:25:03
determinist biology that goes right down to the the individual molecules and so we just you know

1305
2:25:03 --> 2:25:10
people are not people and then aldous huxley comes along and writes brave new world which is his

1306
2:25:10 --> 2:25:16
brother right that's julian's brother i mean it's correct and then he also writes a brave new world

1307
2:25:16 --> 2:25:23
revisited about 30 years after the publication of brave new world um so the question is did aldous

1308
2:25:23 --> 2:25:31
huxley write that then in the 30s i think it was uh was it intended in his mind to be a warning

1309
2:25:31 --> 2:25:38
or was it intended to be a playbook no i think it was a warning i honestly do i think that that

1310
2:25:39 --> 2:25:44
that maybe we you know if if we rise to the challenge there's nothing wrong with that right

1311
2:25:44 --> 2:25:50
then i think humanity rising to this challenge and throwing these chains off would also

1312
2:25:51 --> 2:25:57
um be in the best interest of our species so either way i think uh we better keep fighting

1313
2:25:57 --> 2:26:03
yeah so anybody else who wants to ask any deep questions i am not very good at this but some

1314
2:26:04 --> 2:26:07
i'm sure dave colum and lars joe hansen have questions they'd like to ask but

1315
2:26:10 --> 2:26:15
i've been listening i've been listening um dave have you got any thoughts on this

1316
2:26:16 --> 2:26:22
uh well it's interesting i can entertain anything so so it's all interesting to me um

1317
2:26:23 --> 2:26:30
i've had several thoughts as we went along um a little bit of a tendency to throw away stuff

1318
2:26:30 --> 2:26:37
rather than build upon it i think and so this idea that you know that that

1319
2:26:37 --> 2:26:47
uh the idea that that something is just dead wrong is not quite right in many instances where what it

1320
2:26:47 --> 2:26:54
is is it's just too simple um i think a person jj might want to talk to is is oddly enough brett

1321
2:26:54 --> 2:27:00
weinstein because he he's made some utterances about his view of evolution how they've changed

1322
2:27:01 --> 2:27:07
and they've not been clear enough to me to to to let me know what he's thinking but it could

1323
2:27:07 --> 2:27:12
just be a punctuated equilibrium model that he's talking about or something like that but he hasn't

1324
2:27:12 --> 2:27:21
said enough um and then um what else was i thinking i wasn't going to chime in i'll just go sit here

1325
2:27:21 --> 2:27:28
and listen um the junk dna the junk dna model makes total sense to me because i think when you

1326
2:27:28 --> 2:27:35
need to if you think about how evolution works what you can't do is is mutate an essential protein

1327
2:27:35 --> 2:27:42
very easily and not have it be fatal but one of the things you can do is replicate a big chunk of

1328
2:27:42 --> 2:27:49
dna just randomly and all of a sudden that gives you blank canvas to work on so evolutionarily if

1329
2:27:49 --> 2:27:58
you can improve upon a protein by using uh by mutating a duplicate that's been created as what

1330
2:27:58 --> 2:28:03
you might call junk dna and all of a sudden you get one that works better now you haven't

1331
2:28:03 --> 2:28:09
enforced a fatality what you've done is you you've provided the organism with an even better route

1332
2:28:09 --> 2:28:14
i'm listening to the evolution of the eye part i i heard some sort of how could the eye evolve well

1333
2:28:15 --> 2:28:22
uh it's actually in my mind kind of simple in that um all you need is a

1334
2:28:23 --> 2:28:29
a molecule in the cell in a unicellular organism even that responds to light and since light's

1335
2:28:29 --> 2:28:34
energy and that's how information gets transferred that strikes me as a completely rational thing

1336
2:28:35 --> 2:28:42
so you can imagine an organism for which there's a selective advantage to being able to detect

1337
2:28:42 --> 2:28:49
light for whatever reason um maybe it it has some mechanism to float towards it right um

1338
2:28:49 --> 2:28:56
if you duplicate that molecule now all of a sudden you've got really the very beginnings

1339
2:28:56 --> 2:29:00
of stereoscopic vision so you've got two molecules that respond to light but they

1340
2:29:01 --> 2:29:07
one will get a brighter brighter response or are more frequent hit than the other one and so it

1341
2:29:07 --> 2:29:16
tells the organism where the light's coming from and that becomes the beginning of of of of an eye

1342
2:29:16 --> 2:29:22
basically you've just described the first the very first beginnings of rods and cones and things like

1343
2:29:22 --> 2:29:30
that um i think the one the one super absolute and i mean this with the utmost respect um your

1344
2:29:30 --> 2:29:38
imagination is quite limited um and the reason why i would i would argue it's missing one

1345
2:29:38 --> 2:29:43
incredibly important variable and that is that if that model of evolution is true

1346
2:29:44 --> 2:29:50
then that should have happened thousands of times before one got through to the next generation

1347
2:29:50 --> 2:29:59
because it didn't get stepped on or rained out or dried out or eaten and so this this thing of a

1348
2:29:59 --> 2:30:03
molecule that can detect light is not the evolution of an eye and i think that that

1349
2:30:04 --> 2:30:09
that that whole argument is just not equivalent to what we're talking about which is trying to

1350
2:30:09 --> 2:30:16
explain all of the circuitry and all of the fine tuning and all of the developmental process that

1351
2:30:16 --> 2:30:22
goes into defining binocular vision all of these things can't be the process of an incremental

1352
2:30:22 --> 2:30:29
improvement that randomly could become extinct like oh i got the best eye ever in humankind and

1353
2:30:29 --> 2:30:34
then i got hit by a car or i couldn't find a girlfriend that would have to happen millions of

1354
2:30:34 --> 2:30:42
times for each good trait in order to explain this as random mutation and selection and i think it's

1355
2:30:42 --> 2:30:48
because you've accepted this well three gear your dad your your froze i don't know if it's my computer

1356
2:30:48 --> 2:30:57
yours you sound a lot like brett weinstein and it's so it is you're all still let me find another

1357
2:30:57 --> 2:31:05
room um oh no he missed yeah i know i i i heard i heard no i heard i heard basically a response

1358
2:31:05 --> 2:31:13
when i was i was a genetics major which is now a 45 year old antiquated uh degree and i haven't

1359
2:31:13 --> 2:31:19
used genetics since so it has not evolved very quickly itself i remember one time where i had

1360
2:31:19 --> 2:31:24
a guest lecture and the guy said he said that this idea of how did we evolve to this complex state he

1361
2:31:24 --> 2:31:30
said said you think of the i'll say gazillions because i don't even begin to put an order of

1362
2:31:30 --> 2:31:37
magnitude on it but but unbelievable numbers of generations and he said every single one of your

1363
2:31:37 --> 2:31:44
ancestors was a winner every last one and and so i i wonder for example like is the chemist the

1364
2:31:44 --> 2:31:52
origin of optical purity so the fact that we have a single enantiomeric series in all of nature

1365
2:31:52 --> 2:31:58
right so you you tend not to get the the enantiomerically related mirror image proteins

1366
2:31:58 --> 2:32:06
and things like that and and i i've always gone on the basic assumption that it probably was

1367
2:32:06 --> 2:32:12
was events happening in both mirror images and then it in one moment there was just one that

1368
2:32:12 --> 2:32:19
really worked and survived and then it really took off and so i figured that amongst the gazillions

1369
2:32:19 --> 2:32:25
of generations you just needed one that that that couldn't readily replicate before kind of the other

1370
2:32:25 --> 2:32:31
one grabbed the the biological niche i think that i think what you're illustrating is is that that

1371
2:32:31 --> 2:32:38
if you start your interpretation of all the sacred biology outside of your window and in the forest

1372
2:32:38 --> 2:32:46
around you on this rational on this rationing on this on this understanding of how things have

1373
2:32:46 --> 2:32:53
come to be then you will always be trapped in it it's not no i that's why no no that's why i

1374
2:32:53 --> 2:33:00
found it an interesting discussion um what i what i'm reluctant to do is throw it away rather than

1375
2:33:00 --> 2:33:06
build upon it no and i think that's very important why i say that this no virus notion is really

1376
2:33:06 --> 2:33:11
annoying because that would mean that there's no genetic packet communication no knowledge at this

1377
2:33:11 --> 2:33:15
level that would be absurd and that would mean that all these books and all these observations

1378
2:33:15 --> 2:33:20
are bullshit and i think we really need to retool and reinterpret the data that we have and maybe

1379
2:33:20 --> 2:33:27
throw some data out but definitely i'm i'm with you on this right right and so i i happen to work

1380
2:33:27 --> 2:33:31
in a field of chemistry that turned out almost every paper ever published i showed someone was

1381
2:33:31 --> 2:33:37
wrong but they were trying to get it right and and they were not they were not wrong in the sense

1382
2:33:37 --> 2:33:43
that the whole thing had to be reversed they were wrong in the sense that they made assumptions

1383
2:33:43 --> 2:33:48
about function that just were not correct and when you looked at you say well i now see how they made

1384
2:33:48 --> 2:33:54
the mistake and now it actually looks kind of silly in retrospect because you know scientists

1385
2:33:54 --> 2:33:59
get in terrible echo chambers even physical scientists and so i'm totally conceding which

1386
2:33:59 --> 2:34:07
is why i stayed with this whole discussion all the way and and if we evolve another million years

1387
2:34:07 --> 2:34:13
i'm sure let's say we evolve in a direction that that somehow it represents intellectual

1388
2:34:13 --> 2:34:20
improvement i'm not sure that's even remotely possible but if if we do we'll look back and say

1389
2:34:21 --> 2:34:27
back in million years ago these guys could not have fathomed what we now understand they could

1390
2:34:27 --> 2:34:32
not you know and so i think there's things

1391
2:34:34 --> 2:34:43
how darn he shaped he's froze again i want to oh he could possibly understand right now because

1392
2:34:43 --> 2:34:51
we don't i don't know um it's but but that's sort of my basic thoughts on the whole thing um

1393
2:34:51 --> 2:34:53
i just i just all through the well i

1394
2:34:56 --> 2:35:05
again that in this group in particular i saw people throwing away things that um didn't have

1395
2:35:05 --> 2:35:13
to be thrown away to have the discussion right and and and and even cases where if you want to say

1396
2:35:13 --> 2:35:19
like uh i'm totally riveted by this idea that that aids doesn't come from hiv right and peter

1397
2:35:19 --> 2:35:25
dusberg and all the all the stuff that that i think is quite possibly true what i also know

1398
2:35:25 --> 2:35:30
though is that if you're getting in a discussion with someone who's not up to speed if you lead

1399
2:35:30 --> 2:35:35
off with that kind of a punch it's over yeah right so you you kind of have to weight them

1400
2:35:35 --> 2:35:41
into the shallow end of the pool and then say okay follow me with a little bit of let's just think

1401
2:35:41 --> 2:35:47
about this a little bit and so i and that gets back to the don't throw it away build on and by

1402
2:35:47 --> 2:35:53
the time you're done uh it might look like a renovation in which you say i can't detect the

1403
2:35:53 --> 2:35:59
original house in this renovation right it could be one of those um that i have nothing deep to

1404
2:35:59 --> 2:36:03
say about it besides just that so i don't have any problems with the things you guys talked about

1405
2:36:03 --> 2:36:11
i just the reluctance to reluctance to look for nefarious things from the 1930s and i don't think

1406
2:36:11 --> 2:36:17
they were you know the circumcision i i've never heard the circumcision story by the way this is

1407
2:36:17 --> 2:36:28
was completely new to me um the the idea that you use foreskins for for to advantage doesn't negate

1408
2:36:28 --> 2:36:34
the fact that it might actually be biologically health-wise an improvement than not of a foreskin

1409
2:36:34 --> 2:36:39
and and so you don't have to turn it into a oh those bastards they're clipping kid six off

1410
2:36:39 --> 2:36:46
because they want the foreskin it can be that someone said hey we could use that so don't chuck

1411
2:36:46 --> 2:36:55
it right that's useful um there are hygiene issues that are real and there are but but do you mean if

1412
2:36:55 --> 2:37:03
you just want to be real real clear about it i mean foreskin is this okay so the idea is is that

1413
2:37:03 --> 2:37:08
if you want to want it to be clean you want the foreskin to be able to come over the glans penis

1414
2:37:08 --> 2:37:15
if and some people's foreskin doesn't come over very easy and maybe doesn't come over and so the

1415
2:37:15 --> 2:37:20
idea would be to cut that open a little wider so that you can roll that skin back and clean

1416
2:37:20 --> 2:37:25
underneath it that's the whole point of a baby that would be the only argument to make what i'm

1417
2:37:25 --> 2:37:32
telling you is is that these american babies are like this okay that was by the way your your

1418
2:37:32 --> 2:37:38
long-sleeved shirt foreskin analog that was brilliant that no that was that was spectacular

1419
2:37:38 --> 2:37:42
and so by the way i'm in i'm in the middle of digging into the transgender movement i'm in

1420
2:37:42 --> 2:37:49
the middle of abigail schreyer's book oh wow exactly and it's it's horrifying it is horrifying

1421
2:37:49 --> 2:37:57
because it is so socially complex yeah yep and there's so many people that are cool

1422
2:37:57 --> 2:38:04
it's really crazy this this illusion that everybody agrees on it really sucks people into it's oh and

1423
2:38:04 --> 2:38:09
and the whole the whole thing is designed to separate kids from their parents and kids from

1424
2:38:09 --> 2:38:18
anyone who will defy them and it really is a i knew it was um i knew it was a a cultural contagion

1425
2:38:19 --> 2:38:26
but i didn't understand i didn't understand the momentum and the the tools that were being used

1426
2:38:26 --> 2:38:34
to do it and and so um so science does that too we all agree you know did you know that um

1427
2:38:35 --> 2:38:41
kirstammer the prime minister of the united kingdom the new prime minister the deputy prime

1428
2:38:41 --> 2:38:48
minister of the united kingdom i'm not quite sure whether it's uh evette cooper or um angela reyna

1429
2:38:48 --> 2:38:55
but anyway the other one is the home secretary so we've got three very prominent positions in the

1430
2:38:55 --> 2:39:02
british and new british government and three those three the daily mail which is a well-known

1431
2:39:02 --> 2:39:11
newspaper in the uk um and they they've been aware for quite some time that all three of those people

1432
2:39:11 --> 2:39:17
in prominent positions in the uk i think it's a conflict of interest in you know when you consider

1433
2:39:17 --> 2:39:24
that uh children are being told uh taught what they are being taught apparently in british schools

1434
2:39:24 --> 2:39:27
um all three of them have transgender children

1435
2:39:30 --> 2:39:37
yeah it's a badge of honor among certain old nut cases um but the really interesting thing for me

1436
2:39:37 --> 2:39:42
is that the daily mail knew about has known about this for some time i don't know exactly how long

1437
2:39:42 --> 2:39:49
but i know that it's true because someone very senior at the daily mail told me they haven't

1438
2:39:49 --> 2:39:54
told the british public this so the british public are totally unaware i was totally unaware till i

1439
2:39:54 --> 2:40:00
was actually told by the head of the daily mail not exactly the head but very near the top of the

1440
2:40:00 --> 2:40:08
daily mail well curiously elon musk got taken down that path a little bit by one of his kids and then

1441
2:40:08 --> 2:40:15
realized what was happening and one thing's for sure is elon is not invisible

1442
2:40:18 --> 2:40:24
you can't when he decides he wants to talk about something that you can't hide it and so uh yeah so

1443
2:40:24 --> 2:40:30
in any event so that's a fascinating again and science those who are not in science don't

1444
2:40:30 --> 2:40:34
understand the group think that kicks in even amongst people who are trying to get it right

1445
2:40:35 --> 2:40:40
even i don't i don't think it has to be conspiracies and i think there are fields

1446
2:40:40 --> 2:40:46
of science where the fraud is much more prevalent than others those happen to be the fields where

1447
2:40:46 --> 2:40:53
the stakes for committing the fraud are very high or it's easy like in biochem you can win a noble

1448
2:40:53 --> 2:41:01
prize by faking stuff if you if you are clever enough to do it but um um but but um the climate

1449
2:41:01 --> 2:41:09
change guys it that grift is spectacular and and it's it's 150 trillion dollars of projected

1450
2:41:09 --> 2:41:15
spending who's gonna who's gonna open their mouth on that right every everyone wants a piece of that

1451
2:41:15 --> 2:41:23
pie and guys have gone down to the southern border friends of mine have gone down there said what's

1452
2:41:23 --> 2:41:31
clear is everybody's making money down there the whole thing there's money every single moving part

1453
2:41:31 --> 2:41:39
on that southern border is a for-profit machine wow and so yeah so that you dig into this stuff

1454
2:41:39 --> 2:41:44
and it can it can make you very dark my advice would be don't get don't get too dark on dna

1455
2:41:47 --> 2:41:53
it's still an important biomolecule it just it probably is i agree with that yes yeah yeah

1456
2:41:54 --> 2:42:00
yeah anyway creep and say i have to go i'm sorry yes so thank you i do too actually i do too

1457
2:42:00 --> 2:42:06
thanks jj see on twitter dave is uh oh you know each other do a little bit we're connected

1458
2:42:06 --> 2:42:14
yeah we we can reach each other when we want to how's that i think he's heard me yell at uh at uh

1459
2:42:14 --> 2:42:18
carrot fund and bush once about t cells a long time ago that's how we cross paths first

1460
2:42:19 --> 2:42:24
i am so you know so you know he's a professor of chemistry than dave i do yep yeah very good

1461
2:42:24 --> 2:42:30
so my twitter my twitter presence is on healthy levels of presence that's that's uh

1462
2:42:32 --> 2:42:39
yeah dave before you go i i would like to uh introduce you to the joke on the foreskin

1463
2:42:40 --> 2:42:48
oh okay okay which uh my mother bought her a magazine which had uh a nude

1464
2:42:48 --> 2:42:55
uh reynolds in it and she was disappointed because he'd had his leg up so she couldn't

1465
2:42:55 --> 2:42:59
see anything and it was in the centerfold and she was saying you've got playboy and

1466
2:42:59 --> 2:43:07
look at this this is rubbish and on the following page was an article about foreskin and the lady

1467
2:43:07 --> 2:43:14
said to the doctor what do you do with the foreskins and he said we make handbags you give them a quick

1468
2:43:14 --> 2:43:15
rub and you have a suitcase

1469
2:43:21 --> 2:43:28
don't get me started i used to be the joke master i have 10 000 jokes um and they're all

1470
2:43:28 --> 2:43:33
they're all tasteless i gotta go thanks for the time very good