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Indeed, indeed, indeed.

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All right, everybody, welcome to today's discussion

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of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.

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This group was founded by Dr. Stephen Frost

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over three years ago with the desire

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to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom, and true health.

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Stephen has stood up against government power

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over the years and has been a whistleblower and activist.

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His medical specialty is radiology.

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I'm Charles Kovest, the moderator of this group.

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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur,

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and we love passionate people in these meetings,

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and Gerry Waters is one of them.

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I practiced law for 20 years before changing career

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31 years ago, and over the last 13 years,

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I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies

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for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.

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The latest data I've seen is that bad medical advice

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is now the number one killer of human beings in America.

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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.

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We comprise lots of professions here

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and we're from all around the world.

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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.

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Now, many of us proudly say, and I'm one of them,

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that we are passionate anti-vaxxers.

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And I assure you that I've yet to meet a parent

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who refused to vaccinate their children,

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who regrets that decision.

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I'm yet to meet one.

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If this is your first time here, welcome,

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and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat

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and where you're from.

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If you publish a newsletter or a podcast,

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or you have a radio or TV show, or you've written a book,

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put the links into the chat so we can follow you,

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promote you, and find you.

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Most of us understand we're in the middle of World War III

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and that the medical science battle is only one

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of 12 battlefields of this latest World War.

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And to that end, well, I make the observation

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that the game plan of our opponents in World War III

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is to get us focused on whether or not,

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whether there is, or whether there is not a virus,

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or whether you should treat this way,

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that in the meantime, the evil that's going on

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in 11 other battlefields, we ignore.

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So this group covers all 12 of those battlefields,

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including holding to account officials

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for what they've done.

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Many of us, most of us understand the development of science

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and that the science is never settled.

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Some of us believe that viruses exist,

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some of us believe that viruses are a hoax,

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and some of us are on the fence.

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And Jerry, you were talking about the Nuremberg Code,

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the abuse of human rights is so far,

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so hugely more important than this question

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of whether or not viruses exist.

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It's a wonderful distraction.

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We can go down the rabbit hole.

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This, we will listen to our guest presenters today,

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Dr. Emmanuel Garcia, originally from the US,

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now living in New Zealand,

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whose resume is on the show notes.

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I don't go through those slavishly,

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because most of you have received invitations and read them,

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but read the show notes.

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So we will listen to Emmanuel,

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calls himself Manny for as long as Manny wishes to speak,

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and then we have Q&A.

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Stephen Frost, via long established tradition,

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asks the first questions for 15 minutes.

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This is a free speech environment

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with appropriate moderating.

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Free speech is crucially important in our fight

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to preserve our human freedom.

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And many people lost their jobs

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because they exercised free speech.

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We don't, however, allow ad hominem attacks,

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and that means you're attacking the person.

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That's what they do in parliament.

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We don't allow that here.

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We attack ideas.

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We question ideas.

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We discuss ideas.

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We don't attack the people here.

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If you're offended by anything, be offended.

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We are lovingly not interested.

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We reject the offence industry

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that requires nobody to say anything

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that may offend another.

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We want to have a attitude and perspective of love,

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not fear.

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Fear is the opposite of love.

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Fear squashes you.

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Love, on the other hand, expands you.

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Our opponents in this World War III

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want you to be very, very frightened

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of something you can't see.

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These twice weekly meetings are not just talk fests.

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An extraordinary range of actions and initiatives

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have been generated from linkages made by attendees

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to meetings.

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If you have a solution or a product or links or resources

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that will help people put the details into the chat,

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I note that one of our regular participants,

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Jerome Corsi, Robert Malone announced

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that his book on the assassination of JFK

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was released yesterday.

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So for those of you who didn't pick that up, check it out.

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So his book that we've been waiting to be released

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has now been released.

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Dave Colum, I look forward to you analyzing

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what Jerome said there.

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I must say I'm persuaded, I have no doubt,

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that JFK was assassinated,

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not by a guy in the book depository.

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What's his name, Lee?

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The other one.

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Lee Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald.

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Lee Harvey.

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I have no belief that that's what happened,

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and Jerome scientifically shows it didn't happen.

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The meeting is recorded and is uploaded

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onto the Rumble channel.

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I point out an interesting commentary

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from Sukrit Bhakdi's presentation two days ago.

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Mike Yeaton has put a comment there.

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There's a whole string of comments there

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of people who are, I urge you all to have a look at it

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because there's a lot of people there coming there,

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including Mike Yeaton, saying the whole question of viruses

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is, anyway, a very interesting conversation.

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And now welcome to our guest presenters today,

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Emmanuel Garcia.

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We thank you so much, Manny,

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for giving us your time, wisdom, and insights.

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for creating this group and for organizing

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Manny to be with us today.

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Manny, you are a co-host.

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You can share your screen if you wish.

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We are in your hands for as long as you wish

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to share your thoughts with us.

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And I point out, everybody, in the show notes,

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you'll see that Manny publishes

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on Global Research Newsletter.

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It was Michelle Shoshinovsky who recommended

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from Global Research Newsletter,

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who recommended Manny to us.

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And Michelle's work is well worth being a subscriber to.

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I'm a subscriber to it.

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I always urge the rest of you to do so,

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and you can find those links in the notes.

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Manny, over to you.

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that Michelle Shoshinovsky is probably

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the best analyst in the world, or one of them, anyway.

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And he's certainly the most courageous.

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Very good, Steve.

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Good point, excellent point.

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Yep, thank you.

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Yes, I would second that.

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Michelle was wonderful, and his work was wonderful.

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Well, thank you.

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Thank you.

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I feel quite privileged to be in this truly august company.

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And Charles, your introduction pretty much

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sums up everything.

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I'm not sure what I can add to that.

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But I'll flesh in the details, my personal details,

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and give you a little sense of the story here in New Zealand,

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as well as some of my observations generally.

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Let me just introduce myself

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I was born and raised in the States, from Philadelphia.

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I graduated from the University of Pennsylvania

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School of Medicine in 1986.

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into psychiatric residency and psychoanalytic training.

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and a psychiatrist until I emigrated to New Zealand in 2006.

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I actually studied languages and literature and the classics,

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Latin and Greek.

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a wonderful time in Dublin.

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I have the fondest memories of Dublin.

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And I was at one point in my life a James Joyce fanatic.

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And I probably could have recited half

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of a portion of the artist verbatim and parts of Ulysses.

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So we'll leave that aside.

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and poetry and whatnot.

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I was privileged to know two people who

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were instrumental in uncovering some facts

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about that assassination from Philadelphia, Harold Feldman,

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who was the person who first put the grassy knoll on the map.

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He went through all of the Warren Commission report.

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There's no question that the lone gunman

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from the book depository was not the whole story.

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But I will say, I bring this up because the very first poem

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that I remember having written was

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in the aftermath of JFK's assassination.

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It's not a great poem.

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I remember two or three lines, and I won't repeat them.

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whatever it was.

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and this was a family that voted for Nixon, believe it or not,

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in the 1960 election, it was widely

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assumed that the assassination was probably

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coordinated by LBJ.

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right in the aftermath of the assassination.

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So it's very interesting to put that out.

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much of an expert in anything.

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I think I was a good psychiatrist.

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here in New Zealand and did some psychiatric liaison work

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with primary care practices and low-decel communities.

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broken.

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I wanted to bring up this issue of expertise

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simultaneously to people talk, hopefully un-underruptedly,

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for 50 minutes per session.

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just about.

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I can find no parallel in the world

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for that kind of an experience where you devote yourself

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to listening in this holistic way with your mind,

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your soul, the different levels of hearing,

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and the quest of gaining insight into the person lying

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on the couch and speaking freely with free association

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and translating those insights in a way

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that a patient could hear to foster self-development.

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imaginable.

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I feel tremendously privileged to have been able to do that

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and to have developed these kinds of abilities.

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it's in this area of being able to comprehend, apprehend,

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absorb, and out of that absorption,

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come up with something that may be insightful.

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in New Zealand, as I said, working with patients

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going from complete private practice in the States

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to public psychiatry and dealing with people

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in the throes of mania and psychosis

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and terrible depression and all kinds of social ills,

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I actually loved it.

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I loved it because I loved the patients.

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I loved being able to help them and to bring my skills

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to patients, even though our tools were

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relatively few and blunt.

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Nonetheless, when COVID rolled around, I, like many of you,

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when I heard the story about the bat and the bat soup

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and I saw the images from China and the whole full court

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press of fear and whatnot, I was very dubious.

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And I, very, very suspicious, I began

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to write letters to Parliament here, to the Prime Minister.

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I invade against their nonsensical approach,

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which eliminated natural immunity.

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I did not mention one thing about treatment whatsoever.

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That has always been the big, important element

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to what I talk to people about.

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Why, in the midst of a so-called pandemic,

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would there not be a race for symptomatic relief and cure

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and competition to help people?

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Instead, the advice was, stay home, lock yourself up.

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If you find you can't breathe, come to hospital.

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There's no way to describe this kind of insanity

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of an approach to that.

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So anyway, I wrote letters.

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I tried to get to the politicians.

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I always got these formal thank yous, but no actual engagement.

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And I began to make a few videos with a local group, Voices

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for Freedom, a very important group here in the New Zealand

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landscape, and whatnot.

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And my psychiatrist-in-chief daubed me

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into the medical council because I had the temerity

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to talk about having reservations about the jab

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and the temerity to talk about early treatment

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and natural immunity and the lack of science

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behind masks and distancing and lockdown, the usual thing.

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And in any case, I resigned in October 2021

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before the mandates came in.

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I had a big cross on my back at that time,

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and they were going to make my life difficult there.

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And I decided, well, this is the time to just get out

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of the system, which was crumbling before my eyes

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anyway.

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And then I had a union rep who helped me

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through the resignation, a very nice guy.

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And when it came to renewing my license, which

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would be in November, he said, oh, that's just the formality.

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Everything's fine.

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You might as well keep your license, keep practicing,

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do private practice, do some whatever.

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And lo and behold, when I did go to renew my practicing

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certificate, I found that it had been suspended.

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So I was one of three doctors whose, as Jerry said,

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his heads were kind of put on a stake at the very beginning

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to make sure that other doctors in New Zealand, the other 20,000

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or so, wouldn't say a word about anything

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and go against the narrative that was being promulgated.

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At that time, I did engage with lawyers from Medical Protection

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Society for a little bit.

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And I found that I was having to do most of the work myself.

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And I made a decision to exit the corrupt system altogether.

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I didn't want to be part of it.

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It meant giving up my license, giving up my career, et cetera.

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But I just didn't see any other way to continue

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in this kind of a system.

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There is a catch, though.

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The medical counsel here supposedly

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doesn't allow you to leave the medical counsel while there

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is a professional conduct complaint.

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And a professional conduct complaint

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had been laid because I was practicing

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outside the scope of my profession,

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outside the scope of psychiatry, by engaging

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in intelligent exchanges and videos about health matters

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and whatnot.

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Kind of ridiculous.

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So I deregistered via a kind of convoluted and lengthy common law

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or equity law approach.

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And I succeeded.

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And I was able to get off their books altogether,

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which I have to say was quite an achievement given

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how they behaved, how they continue to behave.

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And since that time, I've given lots of talks.

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I've written a lot.

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I've supported the cause here in many ways.

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I was part of the Parliament protest, which

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I want to dwell on a little bit because they were extremely

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important here in New Zealand.

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And I've been a founding member of New Zealand doctors

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speaking out with science, a really good organization that

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is fighting the good fight, et cetera, et cetera.

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So the other people in New Zealand

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who have been working really hard,

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I want to mention Linda Wharton, Liz Lambert, Erica Whittam,

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the girls, the ladies from VFF, Claire Deeks, Ali and Libby,

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and the people at New Zealand doctors, et cetera, et cetera.

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But I think in general, I mean, I felt this is now four years.

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Oh, yeah.

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And one of the things I really wanted to mention too was that

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in March of 2020, there was an error

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that I gave to you, Charles and Stephen,

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in that little blurb I sent.

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The interview, my friends Libby Handros and John Kirby

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began a series called Perspectives on the Pandemic.

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And in March of 2020, they interviewed John Ioannidis,

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a very famous epidemiologist from Stanford.

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I'm sure all of you know about him.

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And at that time, he said, despite the obfuscation

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and erroneous nature of the PCR test and everything else,

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that what he was seeing was something

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that was no worse than a bad seasonal flu.

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And that was a very pivotal piece of information

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to come out very early on from an extremely

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authoritative source.

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They also, in their series of perspectives,

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interviewed two doctors.

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I forget their names.

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They're called the Bakersfield duo.

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They were two doctors, I think, in California,

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and in the ER, running an ER clinic.

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And they said, we're not seeing anything.

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It's not a big deal.

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They put themselves on the line to tell the truth about this.

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And that just cemented my own conviction

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that what we were under was a massive hoax that

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had some kind of other agenda.

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Now, I'd like to say, yeah, I'm not really,

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you know, it didn't take a genius to figure

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this kind of stuff out.

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It just took a little basic common sense.

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And you look at all the aberrations that occurred,

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the aberrations and how medicine all of a sudden

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got turned upside down, where there was no informed consent.

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For example, the medical council in 2019

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sent out a strongly worded missive

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to everybody about the tremendous importance

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of informed consent.

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If you don't provide informed consent,

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you could be liable to all kinds of action.

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It's the critical, this, that, the other.

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Several months later, when it came to the jab,

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they basically eviscerated informed consent altogether

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and sent out this strangely worded, mealy mouth,

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the abjuration of informed consent,

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telling everyone you have to,

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you can't say anything negative about the jab.

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Really, this is unbelievable.

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And that, but, and I'll get to the medical council

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and their ties to the Federation of State Medical Boards,

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which is critically important to understand

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why this is a globally coordinated event.

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I'll get to that in a little, a few seconds.

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So, so here we are on four years,

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and I think, I think we're tired.

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I think that we felt depressed.

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I think that the smell of fear continues,

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and the real pandemic was this forced pandemic of fear

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to make people absolutely afraid of everything.

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I mean, I was, I can't believe how cowardly

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my fellow people could be,

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afraid to look at their shadows,

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afraid to walk outside, afraid, I mean, I wasn't,

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but that was the, the, the Psiops was so effective

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that people succumbed.

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In New Zealand, we had it really tough.

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They had, we had terrible lockdowns.

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I mean, unbelievable periods of lockdown,

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during which I, as a practitioner, however,

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continued to make home visits.

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I was on leave at the time of the first lockdown.

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I volunteered at a local PHO, a public health organization,

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and did home visits, did prescriptions and things.

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I never wore a mask.

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I refused to wear a mask,

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and I went out and I did my thing.

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But we had, we had two periods of severe lockdowns,

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and then our hypocritical prime, former prime minister,

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you know, ordered these mandates,

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and then she engineered an apartheid society,

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where those who were unjabbed could not go to the theater,

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could not go to a restaurant, could not get a haircut,

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could not do virtually anything.

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And I can't quite describe how onerous that felt

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and how oppressive that felt.

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Fortunately, I was able to manage to do what I needed to do,

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despite my non-jab status.

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And we have a very strong group of people

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who form musicians and other people as well,

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from various backgrounds, who support each other.

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And we were able to meet during this extended period

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of kind of mad times in New Zealand

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with the traffic light system and whatever.

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But it was very disheartening to see so many

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of the fellow citizens, and by the way,

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I'm a dual citizen of the United States and New Zealand,

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fall into this and buy everything

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that the single source of truth, as Jacinda Ardern

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specified herself and her government about COVID.

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Imagine the single source of truth, okay?

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Anytime you get suppression of dissent,

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then you know there's an agenda.

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So I need not tell everybody about that.

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Well, let me get, I wanna talk a little bit about questions

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I get asked all the time.

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Oh, you're a psychiatrist, you gotta tell us about this.

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You gotta tell us about psychology of this.

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So I said, well, I'm a psychiatrist,

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you got your own common sense.

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But let's look at this issue that got a lot of purchase

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a few years ago called mass formation

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to describe how so many people

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bought into what was going on.

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And I've written about this in my sub stack a little bit

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and followed it.

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Let's take the perspective of an ordinary person

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whose reality has been pretty much

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through the mainstream media.

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They followed the big channels, they listened to ABC, NBC,

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or Hear New Zealand, Radio New Zealand,

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and whatever the channels are.

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I don't have a TV, so I don't really follow them

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and all that.

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And their reality is defined by what they've been listening

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to for years, for decades, and sometimes for generations.

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In a way, it's kind of reminiscent to me of Plato's,

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the allegory of Plato's cave in the Republic,

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which I think is probably the single most profound

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psychological, philosophical statement

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in all of Western history and Western philosophy.

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And I wanna go over this a little bit.

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Remember, in the allegory of the cave,

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you have people who are chained in a dark and damp cave,

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and they're looking at shadows on a wall

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that are being projected because images are moving

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in front of a fire that's behind them.

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And so a tree, a human being, or whatever,

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they'll see these shadows on the wall,

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and that's their reality.

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One of the people there escapes from the cave

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and finds out that actually there's a whole other world,

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and that there's a sun out there,

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and there's a world of light, and trees, and flowers,

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and whatnot, and he's overwhelmed,

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and out of compassion for his former

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chained slaves in the cave,

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he goes back to tell them about this.

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He himself is now having a difficult time

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in the confines of the cave,

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and he's treated with skepticism,

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and finally, the people in the cave

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who are convinced that everything they've been seeing

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is the truth and the only reality, plot to kill them.

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So it's a tremendous metaphor,

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and I think it works very well to explain

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exactly what's happened to people around us.

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I don't think it's a case of so-called mass formation.

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I think it's a case of people whose reality

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has been what they've seen and heard

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from established sources,

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and who cannot break themselves away from that reality,

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and have a hard time admitting and acknowledging

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that there is indeed any other reality beyond that.

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I've lost friends over my position about COVID.

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I think many of you must have as well.

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I've had family disputes.

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I've had one family member say,

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"'You're crazy, and don't talk to me,

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"'and you cannot talk to me about this ever again.'"

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Right?

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So I think that's the fallout,

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and at a recent dinner with three other friends of mine

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just last weekend, we were all sort of discoursing

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on our former friendships, the friendships we've lost,

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the former liberals that were so intelligent

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and with whom we associated,

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who were complete and utter Covidians

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and would line up to get every jab possible.

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And our feeling was, well, we've created new friendships,

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we've made new alliances, and it's very, very hard

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to continue an association with people

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who fundamentally remain within a certain circumscribed box.

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And I'll be quite frank with you, it's been very difficult.

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As I said, I've had some friends of 40 years

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email me and say, we're through,

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like they're divorcing me, some sort of friendship.

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I said, well, why can't you,

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this is, can't you tolerate my opinion?

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Speaking of which, in my rambling here,

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I wanted to mention that the new virus issue came up,

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and just yesterday, or the day before, I got an email,

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and I wrote about this in my last upstack,

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from someone who said,

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unless I admitted that viruses didn't exist,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I was either a liar,

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an ignoramus, or a controlled opposition.

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So my response was, well, if I'm controlled opposition,

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I've been accused of this before,

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show me the money, I don't have a new car,

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I haven't been on vacations, I'm scraping by,

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show me all the emoluments I'm getting

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from being such a controlled opposition,

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such an influential person,

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so to speak, so I'm either a liar, or an ignoramus,

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or both, whatever, and what was so ironic is that,

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here's a person, this is a person in the freedom movement,

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supposed to be espousing the cause of freedom of expression,

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and open debate, and open exchange,

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who will not tolerate any divergence

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from his or her opinion.

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So if that's what you're gonna do,

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you're no better than what we're up against,

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which is a tyranny, and of that I have no doubt, okay?

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I wanted to make a few comments about my substack

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and the essays that I write.

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I decided to have a substack because I wanted to have

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a repository for things that I thought were worth preserving

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in my writing, and I consider myself an essayist primarily,

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although occasionally I will break a little story,

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such as exemptions from the jab in New Zealand

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and a few other things,

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but I really don't write for,

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I don't write for any agenda,

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except what I believe I need to say,

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or what I think is important to say.

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0:30:23 --> 0:30:25
I don't write to get subscriptions,

598
0:30:25 --> 0:30:29
I don't write to get anything from anybody,

599
0:30:29 --> 0:30:30
I don't even write for an audience.

600
0:30:30 --> 0:30:34
I only write what I believe I feel I need to say,

601
0:30:34 --> 0:30:37
and I think is worthy of expression, period.

602
0:30:37 --> 0:30:40
So in that, it frees me up from any of the chains

603
0:30:40 --> 0:30:45
that a lot of people, if you're a newspaper writer

604
0:30:45 --> 0:30:47
and you gotta put an article out every week

605
0:30:47 --> 0:30:50
and you got a certain audience segment

606
0:30:50 --> 0:30:53
that you have to pitch to all the time,

607
0:30:53 --> 0:30:56
you're always churning something out in a certain direction.

608
0:30:56 --> 0:30:59
I don't have to do that, I don't have to write anything,

609
0:30:59 --> 0:31:01
I don't have to do anything like that,

610
0:31:01 --> 0:31:05
so I feel as if I'm as close to independence as I can be,

611
0:31:05 --> 0:31:07
although there are always unconscious factors,

612
0:31:07 --> 0:31:10
and you might be swayed by comments people make

613
0:31:11 --> 0:31:13
that goes on no matter what.

614
0:31:13 --> 0:31:15
But that's where I come from.

615
0:31:15 --> 0:31:19
I've been particularly concerned with the use of power

616
0:31:19 --> 0:31:23
and what power has done and what power does,

617
0:31:23 --> 0:31:28
which is power is never satisfied with the power it has,

618
0:31:28 --> 0:31:30
it always seeks to augment itself.

619
0:31:30 --> 0:31:34
And we're in an age where the tremendous technological

620
0:31:34 --> 0:31:38
and computational abilities that have occurred

621
0:31:38 --> 0:31:41
allow the greatest exercise of power

622
0:31:41 --> 0:31:44
with the least effort than ever in history.

623
0:31:45 --> 0:31:48
You know, when Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar

624
0:31:48 --> 0:31:53
were constrained by the technologies of their day,

625
0:31:53 --> 0:31:56
which were rudimentary compared to ours

626
0:31:56 --> 0:31:58
and which involved masses of men and armies

627
0:31:58 --> 0:32:01
and the kind of force they exerted.

628
0:32:01 --> 0:32:06
And here, the concentration of force and power

629
0:32:06 --> 0:32:07
has been immense.

630
0:32:07 --> 0:32:11
And I think we saw it deployed in COVID,

631
0:32:11 --> 0:32:13
in the COVID operation.

632
0:32:19 --> 0:32:22
With this, in this area too,

633
0:32:22 --> 0:32:25
I wanted to comment a little bit about communications.

634
0:32:25 --> 0:32:29
And I'll begin this with kind of an anecdote.

635
0:32:29 --> 0:32:33
Way back in the 70s, I think, I went to my dentist

636
0:32:34 --> 0:32:36
after I returned from Ireland.

637
0:32:36 --> 0:32:39
And I was in the waiting room and I saw this magazine

638
0:32:39 --> 0:32:44
on the tabletop and it was People Magazine.

639
0:32:44 --> 0:32:45
It was this new thing.

640
0:32:45 --> 0:32:47
I looked at it and I said,

641
0:32:47 --> 0:32:49
my God, who's gonna read this crap?

642
0:32:49 --> 0:32:51
And I just kind of threw it aside.

643
0:32:51 --> 0:32:54
Well, as we know, People Magazine became

644
0:32:54 --> 0:32:58
like an enormously huge hit, right?

645
0:32:58 --> 0:33:00
20 years ago, when Facebook came out,

646
0:33:00 --> 0:33:02
I said something similar like,

647
0:33:02 --> 0:33:05
who the hell is gonna waste their time with this thing?

648
0:33:05 --> 0:33:07
Well, all right, so I have some shortcomings

649
0:33:07 --> 0:33:10
in my ability to perceive what's gonna be popular

650
0:33:10 --> 0:33:12
and what's gonna reach people.

651
0:33:12 --> 0:33:14
But what I've noticed though,

652
0:33:14 --> 0:33:17
is that there has been in communication

653
0:33:18 --> 0:33:20
and in reading and exchange,

654
0:33:20 --> 0:33:22
there's been such an infantilization

655
0:33:22 --> 0:33:26
of the way we communicate with the so-called social media.

656
0:33:26 --> 0:33:30
I mean, this whole idea of anything you do

657
0:33:30 --> 0:33:34
has to be rated or can be rated with a like or a dislike

658
0:33:34 --> 0:33:37
or thumbs up.

659
0:33:37 --> 0:33:41
This idea that people just wanna read what's current,

660
0:33:41 --> 0:33:44
they don't wanna go beyond what's more than a day old.

661
0:33:44 --> 0:33:47
This idea that things are too long,

662
0:33:47 --> 0:33:49
TLDR, too long, didn't read.

663
0:33:49 --> 0:33:51
People are getting used to just very short,

664
0:33:51 --> 0:33:54
brief communications and not wanting to sit down

665
0:33:54 --> 0:33:56
and really delve into something

666
0:33:56 --> 0:33:59
and think about something and reflect upon something.

667
0:34:00 --> 0:34:05
And the connection with the total surveillance,

668
0:34:06 --> 0:34:09
there's almost nothing one can do nowadays

669
0:34:09 --> 0:34:13
that is gonna be forgotten.

670
0:34:13 --> 0:34:17
If you have some kind of slip when you're 25,

671
0:34:17 --> 0:34:19
that's gonna be recorded somewhere

672
0:34:19 --> 0:34:21
and it'll be held to account.

673
0:34:21 --> 0:34:24
These social media accounts are being invaded

674
0:34:24 --> 0:34:27
by other people and used against you.

675
0:34:27 --> 0:34:29
We saw what happened with the Canadian truckers

676
0:34:30 --> 0:34:32
and how their bank accounts were frozen.

677
0:34:32 --> 0:34:35
So this total digital surveillance

678
0:34:35 --> 0:34:40
and this infantilized feedback loop of small,

679
0:34:40 --> 0:34:44
quick communication to me is kind of a nightmare,

680
0:34:44 --> 0:34:46
but I don't think it's gonna go away anytime soon.

681
0:34:46 --> 0:34:48
I don't have any solution for that

682
0:34:48 --> 0:34:51
except that I try to keep that to a minimum.

683
0:34:51 --> 0:34:56
I try to read, I tried to read in a considered way,

684
0:34:57 --> 0:35:00
away from the screen and try to absorb things

685
0:35:00 --> 0:35:05
and communicate things when I feel I've gathered enough heft

686
0:35:05 --> 0:35:06
to communicate them.

687
0:35:08 --> 0:35:12
In New Zealand, well, I mentioned briefly

688
0:35:12 --> 0:35:15
the Federation of State Medical Boards.

689
0:35:15 --> 0:35:16
I don't know how many people are aware

690
0:35:16 --> 0:35:19
of the Federation of State Medical Boards.

691
0:35:19 --> 0:35:23
It's a private organization founded in 1911

692
0:35:23 --> 0:35:25
and it basically has assumed the role

693
0:35:25 --> 0:35:27
of regulating all of the state medical boards

694
0:35:27 --> 0:35:31
in the United States and through its international arm,

695
0:35:31 --> 0:35:35
the International Association of Medical Regulatory Agencies

696
0:35:35 --> 0:35:37
around the world.

697
0:35:37 --> 0:35:39
Ireland is a member.

698
0:35:40 --> 0:35:41
The Medical Council of New Zealand

699
0:35:41 --> 0:35:43
is very strongly associated.

700
0:35:43 --> 0:35:45
In fact, the former CEO of the Medical Council

701
0:35:45 --> 0:35:48
is now the chair of the IAMRA,

702
0:35:48 --> 0:35:50
the International Arm of the Federation

703
0:35:50 --> 0:35:51
of State Medical Boards.

704
0:35:51 --> 0:35:55
And I think this has been a mafia situation

705
0:35:55 --> 0:35:57
where they have controlled

706
0:35:57 --> 0:35:59
what is going on around the world.

707
0:35:59 --> 0:36:04
So any doctors like Dr. Waters or Billy Rolfe or myself

708
0:36:04 --> 0:36:07
or Peter Canaday here in New Zealand or Matt Shelton

709
0:36:07 --> 0:36:11
who have dared to raise objections to the agenda

710
0:36:11 --> 0:36:15
have been singled out, have been harassed, persecuted,

711
0:36:15 --> 0:36:17
held up as examples and therefore,

712
0:36:17 --> 0:36:20
everyone else has been silenced.

713
0:36:20 --> 0:36:23
As I speak now, the Medical Council continues

714
0:36:23 --> 0:36:26
to harass and persecute good colleagues

715
0:36:26 --> 0:36:30
for things like having prescribed ivermectin,

716
0:36:30 --> 0:36:32
having provided informed consent.

717
0:36:33 --> 0:36:36
I mean, it's beyond insanity,

718
0:36:36 --> 0:36:41
but it speaks to a frankly malicious purpose.

719
0:36:41 --> 0:36:44
They're going after us, they continue to go after us,

720
0:36:44 --> 0:36:48
they're relentless, they're charging people with huge fines.

721
0:36:48 --> 0:36:50
I did an interview with Peter Canaday,

722
0:36:50 --> 0:36:52
who was an American who was working here in New Zealand,

723
0:36:52 --> 0:36:55
wonderful man, who was hold before

724
0:36:55 --> 0:36:58
the Health Professionals Disciplinary Tribunal.

725
0:36:58 --> 0:37:03
He composed a 70 page brief that was titanium clad

726
0:37:03 --> 0:37:06
and so perfect in his defense.

727
0:37:06 --> 0:37:10
And despite that, they found against him.

728
0:37:10 --> 0:37:14
And he now is, they made it so that he can't even practice

729
0:37:14 --> 0:37:17
in the states where he's returned because of malpractice,

730
0:37:17 --> 0:37:19
he can't get malpractice insurance,

731
0:37:19 --> 0:37:22
thanks to the brouhaha that occurred here

732
0:37:22 --> 0:37:26
with the Medical Council and the HPDT.

733
0:37:26 --> 0:37:29
So they're vicious, they're going after us

734
0:37:29 --> 0:37:31
and we're trying to fight back.

735
0:37:31 --> 0:37:36
The New Zealand doctors SOS has some legal stuff

736
0:37:36 --> 0:37:39
in the works to go against the Medical Council.

737
0:37:39 --> 0:37:41
We're trying to put our heads together to strategize,

738
0:37:41 --> 0:37:43
but it's very difficult.

739
0:37:44 --> 0:37:47
So that connection though, I've written about that

740
0:37:47 --> 0:37:49
in my SUPSAC and Children's Health Defense.

741
0:37:49 --> 0:37:53
And my friend Bruce Dooley has given a long interview

742
0:37:53 --> 0:37:54
about the Federation of State Medical Boards.

743
0:37:54 --> 0:37:57
He's also here in New Zealand from America.

744
0:37:57 --> 0:38:00
And it's an organization to keep in mind

745
0:38:00 --> 0:38:04
because they really are coordinating these various attacks

746
0:38:04 --> 0:38:07
against physicians around the world, not just in the states.

747
0:38:10 --> 0:38:15
Well, my impression generally about the whole COVID PsiOPS

748
0:38:16 --> 0:38:20
is that I see no other explanation,

749
0:38:20 --> 0:38:24
but that it was an organized affair.

750
0:38:24 --> 0:38:26
It was globally coordinated.

751
0:38:26 --> 0:38:29
The whole world was shut down.

752
0:38:29 --> 0:38:31
I don't have any truck with people who say,

753
0:38:31 --> 0:38:34
well, it was something that kind of

754
0:38:34 --> 0:38:37
spontaneously arose organically and that,

755
0:38:37 --> 0:38:42
the lockdowns just occurred because of an organic process

756
0:38:42 --> 0:38:46
or people fell in line because of some spontaneous chicanery.

757
0:38:46 --> 0:38:47
No, I think there's no question.

758
0:38:47 --> 0:38:51
This was coordinated, it was deliberate.

759
0:38:51 --> 0:38:54
I myself believe that there was a COVID virus

760
0:38:54 --> 0:38:59
or some kind of pathogen that itself was somewhat harmful,

761
0:39:01 --> 0:39:06
like the first shot of a two punch combination,

762
0:39:06 --> 0:39:11
that the jab itself was deliberately manufactured

763
0:39:11 --> 0:39:15
to be harmful and even lethal.

764
0:39:15 --> 0:39:17
Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't variabilities

765
0:39:17 --> 0:39:20
in the effects of the jab across the world.

766
0:39:20 --> 0:39:25
And I think that we heard Dr. Bhakta yesterday,

767
0:39:26 --> 0:39:29
the other day actually talked about the necessity

768
0:39:29 --> 0:39:32
to keep the Pfizer, I know that in New Zealand,

769
0:39:32 --> 0:39:34
we had the Pfizer jab initially,

770
0:39:34 --> 0:39:36
and you had to keep it at sub-freezing temperatures

771
0:39:36 --> 0:39:38
for it to be viable.

772
0:39:38 --> 0:39:43
I can guarantee that they did not throughout all of New Zealand

773
0:39:43 --> 0:39:46
keep those Pfizer jabs

774
0:39:46 --> 0:39:49
in the appropriate refrigerated condition everywhere.

775
0:39:49 --> 0:39:53
And that may account for a lot of the variability of response

776
0:39:53 --> 0:39:55
and it may account for some of the variability of response

777
0:39:55 --> 0:39:57
around the world as well.

778
0:39:57 --> 0:40:00
In any case, I never saw any need to have a jab.

779
0:40:00 --> 0:40:02
I thought it was unnecessary.

780
0:40:03 --> 0:40:04
I thought it was potentially dangerous

781
0:40:04 --> 0:40:06
at the very, very beginning.

782
0:40:06 --> 0:40:10
And I think that my sentiments have been proved.

783
0:40:15 --> 0:40:17
The final issue that I would bring up today

784
0:40:17 --> 0:40:21
would be the issue of people are people

785
0:40:21 --> 0:40:23
no matter where they are, no matter what groups they are,

786
0:40:23 --> 0:40:26
whether in their, on our side or on the other side

787
0:40:26 --> 0:40:28
or what have you.

788
0:40:28 --> 0:40:33
And I'm very frustrated with the overly simplistic

789
0:40:34 --> 0:40:36
and black and white thinking that has emerged

790
0:40:37 --> 0:40:40
in the freedom movement, for example,

791
0:40:40 --> 0:40:45
where I've heard such things as some people will say

792
0:40:46 --> 0:40:50
that Big Pharma has never produced any medication

793
0:40:50 --> 0:40:51
that's any good.

794
0:40:52 --> 0:40:57
And I have to say, well, I don't know about that.

795
0:40:57 --> 0:40:58
I'm not so sure about that.

796
0:40:58 --> 0:41:02
I think there's a kind of a degeneration

797
0:41:02 --> 0:41:07
into very simplistic primitive ways of thinking,

798
0:41:08 --> 0:41:12
such as are characterized by that correspondent who told me

799
0:41:12 --> 0:41:14
I've got to be, I'm a liar or ignorant

800
0:41:14 --> 0:41:15
or a controlled opposition,

801
0:41:15 --> 0:41:17
so I don't believe what he says.

802
0:41:17 --> 0:41:20
No, we've got to really be civilized adults

803
0:41:20 --> 0:41:22
and have an open exchange.

804
0:41:22 --> 0:41:25
Now, this brings me to the parliament protests.

805
0:41:25 --> 0:41:27
This is important.

806
0:41:27 --> 0:41:29
I don't want to forget this.

807
0:41:30 --> 0:41:33
We, in the aftermath of the inspiration

808
0:41:33 --> 0:41:37
from the Canadian truckers here in New Zealand in 2022,

809
0:41:37 --> 0:41:40
organized an occupation of parliament grounds

810
0:41:40 --> 0:41:44
in February of 2022 that was ended

811
0:41:44 --> 0:41:46
by an illegal police invasion,

812
0:41:46 --> 0:41:49
I think in March 1st to March 2nd of 2022.

813
0:41:49 --> 0:41:51
I was there every day.

814
0:41:51 --> 0:41:52
I gave many talks.

815
0:41:52 --> 0:41:54
I gave talks on the opening day for them

816
0:41:54 --> 0:41:56
when the convoy came.

817
0:41:56 --> 0:41:59
And it was a beautiful event that drew people

818
0:41:59 --> 0:42:04
from all around the country in unified against mandates.

819
0:42:07 --> 0:42:10
We were unified against the violation of human rights,

820
0:42:10 --> 0:42:13
which I think is the fulcrum of everything.

821
0:42:15 --> 0:42:16
There's a little story about this.

822
0:42:16 --> 0:42:19
So since I don't follow general media, I didn't realize,

823
0:42:19 --> 0:42:23
but we were portrayed as the worst of the worst.

824
0:42:23 --> 0:42:24
It was considered to be the filthiest,

825
0:42:24 --> 0:42:26
dirtiest bunch of people ever.

826
0:42:26 --> 0:42:31
And the typical things you'd find from propaganda.

827
0:42:31 --> 0:42:35
But in fact, I have to say it was the most important

828
0:42:35 --> 0:42:38
social experience of my life to have been part of that,

829
0:42:38 --> 0:42:42
that great gathering, beautiful gathering of people

830
0:42:42 --> 0:42:47
united peacefully, lovingly for freedom.

831
0:42:47 --> 0:42:50
And every time I gave a talk,

832
0:42:50 --> 0:42:52
I would look, I'd go up and look at parliament

833
0:42:52 --> 0:42:56
and ask someone to come down and have a word with us.

834
0:42:56 --> 0:43:01
Not one time during that entire protest

835
0:43:01 --> 0:43:04
did any member of government come down and say,

836
0:43:04 --> 0:43:06
hey, let's talk.

837
0:43:06 --> 0:43:08
Let's listen to what you have to say.

838
0:43:09 --> 0:43:11
It's astonishing.

839
0:43:11 --> 0:43:15
They indulge in pure tactics like blasting loud music

840
0:43:15 --> 0:43:18
at nights so people couldn't sleep, loud, terrible music.

841
0:43:18 --> 0:43:20
I mean, it was insane.

842
0:43:20 --> 0:43:20
But think of this.

843
0:43:20 --> 0:43:23
If I were prime minister,

844
0:43:23 --> 0:43:26
wouldn't it have been a beautiful win for me to say,

845
0:43:26 --> 0:43:29
okay, listen, let's go down, let's have a little chat.

846
0:43:29 --> 0:43:31
And then I could tell everybody

847
0:43:31 --> 0:43:32
I had this chat with these people.

848
0:43:32 --> 0:43:35
Of course, they're all crazy, but we did our bit

849
0:43:35 --> 0:43:37
and we were accommodating and we showed

850
0:43:37 --> 0:43:39
how wonderful we are.

851
0:43:39 --> 0:43:43
They couldn't even do that.

852
0:43:43 --> 0:43:44
They made a determined effort

853
0:43:44 --> 0:43:47
not to have any truck with anyone there,

854
0:43:47 --> 0:43:49
not to have any exchange whatsoever.

855
0:43:50 --> 0:43:52
But the protests, I think, were felt.

856
0:43:52 --> 0:43:55
Now, two other things about that.

857
0:43:58 --> 0:44:01
The day before that police invasion,

858
0:44:02 --> 0:44:04
I was part of a negotiating team

859
0:44:04 --> 0:44:06
that was to meet with the police

860
0:44:06 --> 0:44:09
and Maori representatives and other people, lawyers,

861
0:44:09 --> 0:44:11
to kind of negotiate a settlement

862
0:44:11 --> 0:44:12
because the feeling had been,

863
0:44:12 --> 0:44:15
this is going on now for a long time, over a month,

864
0:44:15 --> 0:44:19
and we need to bring this to an end in some peaceful way

865
0:44:19 --> 0:44:21
and let's talk.

866
0:44:21 --> 0:44:24
And at the last minute, the police did not show up

867
0:44:24 --> 0:44:25
to that negotiating session.

868
0:44:26 --> 0:44:30
So I was driving home, I drove home by the police station

869
0:44:30 --> 0:44:33
and lo and behold, the entire street

870
0:44:33 --> 0:44:38
where the Wellington police station resides

871
0:44:38 --> 0:44:40
had been full of these unmarked white vans,

872
0:44:40 --> 0:44:42
white or gray vans.

873
0:44:44 --> 0:44:47
I went right back to the protest grounds.

874
0:44:47 --> 0:44:48
I told everybody I could.

875
0:44:48 --> 0:44:49
I informed everyone, I said,

876
0:44:49 --> 0:44:52
listen, they're getting ready to do something.

877
0:44:52 --> 0:44:55
They're gonna come in tomorrow morning and be prepared.

878
0:44:55 --> 0:44:57
Tell everybody, get the word out.

879
0:44:57 --> 0:44:59
Hopefully we can, you know, do what you've gotta do.

880
0:44:59 --> 0:45:04
I told every media person I knew, the filmmakers, everybody.

881
0:45:04 --> 0:45:05
Half the people there said,

882
0:45:05 --> 0:45:08
oh, don't worry about it, it's nothing.

883
0:45:08 --> 0:45:09
The other half took me seriously.

884
0:45:11 --> 0:45:13
And it turned out I proved right

885
0:45:13 --> 0:45:17
because they came in and invaded the place the next morning.

886
0:45:17 --> 0:45:18
But before that happened,

887
0:45:18 --> 0:45:22
I went home and I was part of a Zoom session,

888
0:45:22 --> 0:45:24
a Zoom meeting with the human rights commissioner

889
0:45:24 --> 0:45:26
here in New Zealand, Paul Hunt.

890
0:45:27 --> 0:45:30
And I was a silent observer to that.

891
0:45:30 --> 0:45:33
And he went through this whole rigamarole

892
0:45:33 --> 0:45:35
with all these people talking about the mandates

893
0:45:35 --> 0:45:37
and the protests.

894
0:45:37 --> 0:45:40
And I know from someone in his office that he was told

895
0:45:42 --> 0:45:47
that he should make his presence felt

896
0:45:47 --> 0:45:50
at the protests should any kind of police action occur

897
0:45:52 --> 0:45:54
so as to protect human rights.

898
0:45:54 --> 0:45:56
Actually, I'm fairly certain he knew

899
0:45:56 --> 0:45:58
that the invasion was gonna occur the next morning.

900
0:45:58 --> 0:46:00
And all he had to do was walk down there

901
0:46:00 --> 0:46:02
and just be there as a presence

902
0:46:02 --> 0:46:04
to prevent the brutality that occurred.

903
0:46:04 --> 0:46:06
He didn't do that.

904
0:46:06 --> 0:46:08
So the next morning, the police came in,

905
0:46:08 --> 0:46:11
they fired rubber bullets at people,

906
0:46:11 --> 0:46:13
they did all kinds of terrible things.

907
0:46:13 --> 0:46:17
And it was a show of force that was a real stain.

908
0:46:17 --> 0:46:19
And if those of you who are interested in this,

909
0:46:19 --> 0:46:21
there's a wonderful film called River of Freedom

910
0:46:21 --> 0:46:25
that I've put a link to in the material I sent to Charles

911
0:46:25 --> 0:46:28
and Stephen.

912
0:46:28 --> 0:46:30
And it's a beautiful film.

913
0:46:30 --> 0:46:34
And that link, Manny, is on the invitation

914
0:46:34 --> 0:46:36
that everybody got.

915
0:46:36 --> 0:46:37
You didn't get an email invitation?

916
0:46:37 --> 0:46:39
Oh, great, yeah, exactly.

917
0:46:39 --> 0:46:41
Then ask. That's great, yeah.

918
0:46:41 --> 0:46:43
And that's really, it's a really beautiful,

919
0:46:43 --> 0:46:44
remarkable film.

920
0:46:44 --> 0:46:49
And so anyway, so that's pretty much,

921
0:46:50 --> 0:46:52
I think, what I have to say for today.

922
0:46:53 --> 0:46:56
I really appreciated hearing Dr. Bhakdi the other day

923
0:46:57 --> 0:47:00
as well, since he was one of the people

924
0:47:00 --> 0:47:02
that my friends interviewed for their perspective series,

925
0:47:02 --> 0:47:04
interviewed a lot of people.

926
0:47:04 --> 0:47:08
And it's kind of like an historical record for posterity

927
0:47:08 --> 0:47:11
of what we've been through, which is very valuable.

928
0:47:12 --> 0:47:13
So.

929
0:47:14 --> 0:47:16
Very good, Manny.

930
0:47:16 --> 0:47:20
Thank you so much for sharing your journey.

931
0:47:20 --> 0:47:23
I think it's a very important testimony.

932
0:47:23 --> 0:47:28
And this recording will be valuable to a lot of people.

933
0:47:28 --> 0:47:33
I cannot believe what happened in New Zealand and Australia.

934
0:47:33 --> 0:47:34
Australia, not much different.

935
0:47:34 --> 0:47:38
The militarized edition of police.

936
0:47:38 --> 0:47:41
But one of the wonderful, wonderful things

937
0:47:41 --> 0:47:44
you mentioned about the loss of friends,

938
0:47:44 --> 0:47:45
we've all lost friends, but look at the hundreds

939
0:47:45 --> 0:47:48
of new friends we've got on this platform, hey?

940
0:47:48 --> 0:47:50
And all the other platforms that we're on.

941
0:47:50 --> 0:47:52
And as we've often said in this group,

942
0:47:52 --> 0:47:54
and I remind people watching this recording,

943
0:47:54 --> 0:47:56
don't worry about the friends you've lost.

944
0:47:56 --> 0:47:58
Look at the new friends you've got.

945
0:47:58 --> 0:48:00
And the feedback I've had almost universally

946
0:48:00 --> 0:48:05
is that the quality, the foundation for the new friendships

947
0:48:05 --> 0:48:07
is a foundation built on freedom and truth

948
0:48:07 --> 0:48:09
and ethics.

949
0:48:09 --> 0:48:12
So it's a pretty powerful basis for having a relationship.

950
0:48:12 --> 0:48:14
So when you get together with somebody,

951
0:48:14 --> 0:48:16
you don't talk shit about football.

952
0:48:16 --> 0:48:18
You talk about real stuff.

953
0:48:19 --> 0:48:22
So it is truly a wonderful benefit.

954
0:48:22 --> 0:48:27
The other wonderful benefit is that

955
0:48:28 --> 0:48:32
I've been following the work of Del Bigtree

956
0:48:32 --> 0:48:36
since he started, Andy Wakefield, from the early days,

957
0:48:36 --> 0:48:37
for 13 years.

958
0:48:37 --> 0:48:42
And this was brought to my attention

959
0:48:43 --> 0:48:45
in my work as a legal strategist.

960
0:48:45 --> 0:48:48
I was helping a lawyer in Australia.

961
0:48:49 --> 0:48:52
And I was horrified 13 years ago

962
0:48:52 --> 0:48:55
when I discovered the truth about vaccines.

963
0:48:55 --> 0:49:00
And this lawyer was trying to help families in Australia.

964
0:49:00 --> 0:49:04
And I'm wondering whether any of you in other countries

965
0:49:04 --> 0:49:09
have this experience, but not one vaccine damage case

966
0:49:09 --> 0:49:13
has succeeded in the courts in Australia ever.

967
0:49:13 --> 0:49:16
And I also point out that not one proper test

968
0:49:19 --> 0:49:21
has been done on the safety and efficacy of vaccines.

969
0:49:21 --> 0:49:25
And in America, of course, since 1986,

970
0:49:25 --> 0:49:29
we know the immunity given to pharmaceutical companies.

971
0:49:30 --> 0:49:35
But COVID, look at the gift of COVID, everybody.

972
0:49:35 --> 0:49:38
And I just urge us to, don't get down in the dumps.

973
0:49:38 --> 0:49:40
I mean, there's some amazing stuff happening

974
0:49:40 --> 0:49:43
on the border between Mexico and the US.

975
0:49:43 --> 0:49:45
America is being invaded and Lee Vleet,

976
0:49:45 --> 0:49:48
who's presented to us here.

977
0:49:48 --> 0:49:51
This is urgent, urgent issue, everybody.

978
0:49:51 --> 0:49:56
There are amazing young men ready to invade America.

979
0:49:57 --> 0:50:02
And what COVID, the gift of COVID is how many people,

980
0:50:02 --> 0:50:06
maybe 20% of the population, 30% of the population,

981
0:50:06 --> 0:50:08
maybe more have been woken up many

982
0:50:08 --> 0:50:10
to the dangers of these jabs.

983
0:50:10 --> 0:50:12
That is an extraordinary gift.

984
0:50:12 --> 0:50:13
Well, that's true.

985
0:50:13 --> 0:50:13
Let me say this.

986
0:50:13 --> 0:50:15
And Charles, let me say this.

987
0:50:15 --> 0:50:16
You know, I've grown along.

988
0:50:16 --> 0:50:19
I had my kids vaccinated with the usual schedules.

989
0:50:19 --> 0:50:23
As a kid myself, I think I got three vaccinations,

990
0:50:23 --> 0:50:25
the oral, the polio, the COVID,

991
0:50:26 --> 0:50:30
and maybe the tetanus and diphtheria, whatever.

992
0:50:30 --> 0:50:35
But I've only woken up relatively recently

993
0:50:35 --> 0:50:38
to the truth about the whole schedule

994
0:50:38 --> 0:50:41
of all of these vaccinations and the effects

995
0:50:41 --> 0:50:44
and the work of Wakefield and RFK Jr.

996
0:50:44 --> 0:50:48
and Judy Mikevitz, all these people.

997
0:50:48 --> 0:50:51
I would never, I will never take another jab in my life.

998
0:50:51 --> 0:50:54
I would never encourage anyone to take another jab

999
0:50:54 --> 0:50:56
of any sort like this.

1000
0:50:56 --> 0:51:00
And so I would say, yeah, I'm a proud anti-vaxxer,

1001
0:51:00 --> 0:51:02
given what they've done with them,

1002
0:51:02 --> 0:51:06
given how they're used, given, you know,

1003
0:51:06 --> 0:51:08
but these were things we thought of as mother's milk.

1004
0:51:08 --> 0:51:09
When I went to medical school,

1005
0:51:09 --> 0:51:11
one of my first interviews was

1006
0:51:11 --> 0:51:13
with a renowned cardiologist, okay?

1007
0:51:14 --> 0:51:17
And he talked about his ideals

1008
0:51:17 --> 0:51:22
and Pasteur was his great idol.

1009
0:51:22 --> 0:51:24
And he recommended the biography by Valerie Radeau

1010
0:51:24 --> 0:51:27
about Pasteur because of vaccination.

1011
0:51:27 --> 0:51:29
And I read the biography, you know, and all that.

1012
0:51:29 --> 0:51:31
We were not told very much about vaccinations

1013
0:51:31 --> 0:51:34
in medical school at all, except that you just gave them

1014
0:51:34 --> 0:51:35
and they were wonderful.

1015
0:51:35 --> 0:51:39
They were like the apex of medical lists in a way.

1016
0:51:39 --> 0:51:41
So I grew up thinking, yeah,

1017
0:51:41 --> 0:51:43
I don't give them a second thought.

1018
0:51:43 --> 0:51:44
And now you're right.

1019
0:51:44 --> 0:51:46
We have all had our eyes open.

1020
0:51:46 --> 0:51:48
We can't not but have our eyes opened

1021
0:51:48 --> 0:51:51
to these kinds of things and to the immune system

1022
0:51:51 --> 0:51:54
and to how they're, what are they doing

1023
0:51:54 --> 0:51:55
to the immune system?

1024
0:51:55 --> 0:51:58
Forget about the mRNA, but just the ordinary schedule.

1025
0:52:00 --> 0:52:02
There's a lot to be learned.

1026
0:52:02 --> 0:52:07
And COVID has been the biggest litmus test in world history

1027
0:52:07 --> 0:52:12
and it has rent the veil behind the corruption

1028
0:52:13 --> 0:52:16
in front of the corruption of these institutions

1029
0:52:16 --> 0:52:19
that I used to revere, many of us revered,

1030
0:52:19 --> 0:52:22
we thought had our backs, were protective, were wonderful.

1031
0:52:22 --> 0:52:27
The CDC, the FDA, the NIAID,

1032
0:52:27 --> 0:52:30
all these great institutions here that conspired

1033
0:52:30 --> 0:52:34
to go against the people, to hurt us.

1034
0:52:34 --> 0:52:37
And that, right, so we're awake.

1035
0:52:37 --> 0:52:40
And I was reading this paper by Lurie Rushko,

1036
0:52:40 --> 0:52:42
I think you probably know about this.

1037
0:52:42 --> 0:52:43
He just wrote something very interesting,

1038
0:52:43 --> 0:52:45
tying things together.

1039
0:52:45 --> 0:52:49
We have to go from the great awakening to the great uprising.

1040
0:52:49 --> 0:52:52
And I hope we're on the verge of doing that.

1041
0:52:52 --> 0:52:55
And I believe that America is gonna lead the way

1042
0:52:55 --> 0:52:58
in that we need America.

1043
0:52:58 --> 0:53:00
I'm a constitutionalist, I was on an interview

1044
0:53:00 --> 0:53:01
with the Breggins and we were both talking

1045
0:53:01 --> 0:53:03
about how we viewed ourselves.

1046
0:53:03 --> 0:53:07
And I consider myself a constitutionalist.

1047
0:53:07 --> 0:53:09
I grew up in the city where the Declaration of Independence

1048
0:53:09 --> 0:53:12
was signed, constitution was formulated.

1049
0:53:12 --> 0:53:16
And the principles of those documents,

1050
0:53:16 --> 0:53:19
the principles are beautiful and immutable.

1051
0:53:20 --> 0:53:23
People tend to take principles and degrade them,

1052
0:53:23 --> 0:53:25
as we know, and abuse them.

1053
0:53:25 --> 0:53:27
I'm not talking about the abuse of degradation,

1054
0:53:27 --> 0:53:29
talking about the principles themselves.

1055
0:53:29 --> 0:53:33
Unalienable rights, we have unalienable rights.

1056
0:53:34 --> 0:53:38
Beautifully said, Manny, and that's what we have,

1057
0:53:38 --> 0:53:39
and that's why we come to these meetings,

1058
0:53:39 --> 0:53:43
to be reminded about your inalienable rights.

1059
0:53:43 --> 0:53:46
Okay, Stephen, next 15 minutes is all yours.

1060
0:53:46 --> 0:53:50
And gosh, Stephen, I know you could ask questions

1061
0:53:50 --> 0:53:53
for an hour and a half, so this is gonna be close.

1062
0:53:54 --> 0:53:58
So Emmanuel, that was a great presentation.

1063
0:53:58 --> 0:54:01
It was kind of low key, and you're very modest,

1064
0:54:01 --> 0:54:03
but beneath everything, you're very insightful,

1065
0:54:03 --> 0:54:05
I think, I think you know that.

1066
0:54:05 --> 0:54:10
And that's why Michel Strostovsky recommended you to me,

1067
0:54:10 --> 0:54:13
unconditionally, in fact, he chose you as the best,

1068
0:54:14 --> 0:54:17
the best in the world on this analysis that you've just done.

1069
0:54:17 --> 0:54:21
So he said I should get in touch with you.

1070
0:54:21 --> 0:54:23
I did get in touch with you, but just so happened

1071
0:54:23 --> 0:54:26
that you couldn't appear that particular day

1072
0:54:26 --> 0:54:31
that we had pre, and then I forgot, I'm sorry about that.

1073
0:54:31 --> 0:54:33
There are just so many suggestions,

1074
0:54:33 --> 0:54:36
so I can hardly keep up with the suggestions,

1075
0:54:36 --> 0:54:38
nevermind arranging it all.

1076
0:54:39 --> 0:54:43
So I wanted to ask you, I was very interested in you

1077
0:54:43 --> 0:54:47
talking about listening all day long, 50 minutes,

1078
0:54:47 --> 0:54:49
was it seven or eight sessions a day?

1079
0:54:49 --> 0:54:53
Or sometimes 10, yeah, yeah, sometimes 10.

1080
0:54:53 --> 0:54:55
10, wow.

1081
0:54:55 --> 0:54:57
That's a lot of listening in a day.

1082
0:54:57 --> 0:54:59
I don't think I could do that, but anyway,

1083
0:54:59 --> 0:55:02
I was quite good at listening, but I didn't,

1084
0:55:02 --> 0:55:05
I don't, even I would have said that I wasn't listening,

1085
0:55:05 --> 0:55:08
I interrupted people, but I was very good at kind of,

1086
0:55:09 --> 0:55:11
I realized now I was very good at picking up

1087
0:55:11 --> 0:55:16
the essence of what people were saying very quickly,

1088
0:55:17 --> 0:55:19
and then getting a bit, not bored,

1089
0:55:19 --> 0:55:22
but wanting to ask further questions.

1090
0:55:22 --> 0:55:23
You understand me?

1091
0:55:23 --> 0:55:25
Yeah, sure.

1092
0:55:25 --> 0:55:28
So I wanted to ask you, we haven't had a psychiatrist

1093
0:55:29 --> 0:55:34
as a guest, we've got a few members who are psychiatrists,

1094
0:55:34 --> 0:55:37
but we have had psychologists,

1095
0:55:37 --> 0:55:42
and we've had Matthias Desmet, you know,

1096
0:55:42 --> 0:55:45
so he was on mass formation, very interesting,

1097
0:55:45 --> 0:55:46
he knows about totalitarianism,

1098
0:55:46 --> 0:55:48
he's written a book about it,

1099
0:55:48 --> 0:55:52
and then mystifyingly to me,

1100
0:55:53 --> 0:55:56
people were attacking Matthias Desmet,

1101
0:55:57 --> 0:56:00
I don't know whether it was because he was aligned

1102
0:56:00 --> 0:56:02
with Malone, Robert Malone,

1103
0:56:02 --> 0:56:04
but anyway, I couldn't understand that,

1104
0:56:04 --> 0:56:07
I couldn't understand why the Breggins

1105
0:56:07 --> 0:56:11
were so fixed on Matthias Desmet,

1106
0:56:11 --> 0:56:14
and somehow got the feeling,

1107
0:56:14 --> 0:56:15
I don't know whether my perception was right,

1108
0:56:15 --> 0:56:20
that the Breggins were upset that Matthias Desmet

1109
0:56:21 --> 0:56:24
was saying that the people were responsible

1110
0:56:24 --> 0:56:25
for their own mass formation.

1111
0:56:27 --> 0:56:29
I never thought that he was saying that,

1112
0:56:29 --> 0:56:32
I thought it was a misunderstanding.

1113
0:56:32 --> 0:56:35
Anyway, so I wanted to ask you about,

1114
0:56:35 --> 0:56:38
so in my opinion, this whole thing was characterized

1115
0:56:38 --> 0:56:43
by psychological torture of populations around the world,

1116
0:56:45 --> 0:56:48
it was planned, it was evil,

1117
0:56:48 --> 0:56:52
I think the intent was to take people away from their,

1118
0:56:53 --> 0:56:55
what makes them human, from their humanity,

1119
0:56:55 --> 0:56:58
we're highly social animals as you know,

1120
0:56:58 --> 0:57:01
and it's absolutely extraordinary to me

1121
0:57:01 --> 0:57:04
that they sought to isolate human beings

1122
0:57:04 --> 0:57:06
who are highly social animals.

1123
0:57:06 --> 0:57:09
So the point about highly social animals

1124
0:57:09 --> 0:57:13
is if they don't have human contact, human beings, they die,

1125
0:57:15 --> 0:57:18
especially so in early childhood,

1126
0:57:18 --> 0:57:20
but I'm sure it's true of adults as well.

1127
0:57:20 --> 0:57:23
And so I wanted, do you know about the mice?

1128
0:57:23 --> 0:57:25
I know it's mice, I think it was mice,

1129
0:57:25 --> 0:57:27
anyway, the universe 25 experiment.

1130
0:57:28 --> 0:57:32
I wonder what they did to the mice.

1131
0:57:32 --> 0:57:34
If you remember that experiment,

1132
0:57:35 --> 0:57:39
they grew in population, they had everything they wanted,

1133
0:57:39 --> 0:57:43
they had nice quarters initially until it got overpopulated

1134
0:57:46 --> 0:57:50
and then they had as much food as they wanted, I think.

1135
0:57:50 --> 0:57:54
So it wasn't that, but they got, there was overpopulation,

1136
0:57:54 --> 0:57:55
it wasn't overpopulation per se,

1137
0:57:55 --> 0:57:57
but there literally wasn't room,

1138
0:57:57 --> 0:58:01
you know, it was quite big initially, but 200s over,

1139
0:58:01 --> 0:58:03
I think they went up to 10,000 or something.

1140
0:58:03 --> 0:58:07
But it seems that it got to the stage where

1141
0:58:09 --> 0:58:14
the mice were so unhappy in an undefined way

1142
0:58:14 --> 0:58:17
that they stopped, they couldn't breed,

1143
0:58:17 --> 0:58:18
they couldn't reproduce.

1144
0:58:19 --> 0:58:23
And so I think it went down to 150 or something,

1145
0:58:23 --> 0:58:26
and so the guy who was doing the experiment

1146
0:58:26 --> 0:58:29
or the people, he was the leader, I think,

1147
0:58:29 --> 0:58:33
he said that all the mice would die

1148
0:58:33 --> 0:58:35
despite the fact they were down to 150,

1149
0:58:35 --> 0:58:37
there's plenty of room, but they,

1150
0:58:37 --> 0:58:40
so I worked out that it sounded like

1151
0:58:40 --> 0:58:43
they'd lost the will to live.

1152
0:58:43 --> 0:58:46
And so is that what they did with human beings too?

1153
0:58:46 --> 0:58:48
And reduced them to a state of Stockholm's

1154
0:58:48 --> 0:58:51
or different states of Stockholm syndrome,

1155
0:58:51 --> 0:58:52
which you as a scientist will know

1156
0:58:52 --> 0:58:54
is extremely difficult to treat.

1157
0:58:57 --> 0:58:57
I think it's certainly part of one.

1158
0:58:57 --> 0:59:00
We can talk about Stockholm syndrome.

1159
0:59:00 --> 0:59:02
I think it's part of what they did.

1160
0:59:02 --> 0:59:04
Let me go back, there were some experiments done

1161
0:59:04 --> 0:59:09
on raising infants by a psychoanalytic researcher,

1162
0:59:09 --> 0:59:11
whose name escapes me at the moment,

1163
0:59:11 --> 0:59:14
but one set of, and they were orphans,

1164
0:59:14 --> 0:59:17
one set of orphans were given food,

1165
0:59:17 --> 0:59:20
all they needed for sustenance,

1166
0:59:20 --> 0:59:22
but they were not talked to and they weren't touched.

1167
0:59:22 --> 0:59:25
And the other set were given the food and nutrients,

1168
0:59:25 --> 0:59:28
but they were touched and they were talked to.

1169
0:59:28 --> 0:59:32
And the orphans who were not touched or talked to

1170
0:59:32 --> 0:59:33
failed to thrive.

1171
0:59:34 --> 0:59:36
Okay, so it was very clear we need this.

1172
0:59:36 --> 0:59:39
During the lockdowns, remember, they separated,

1173
0:59:39 --> 0:59:44
they did not allow people to attend funerals here.

1174
0:59:44 --> 0:59:48
Okay, they did not allow you to visit your relatives

1175
0:59:48 --> 0:59:49
in a nursing home.

1176
0:59:49 --> 0:59:54
This is torture of the highest quality, inhuman torture.

1177
0:59:54 --> 0:59:58
Okay, and they've also been gaslighting us too.

1178
0:59:58 --> 1:00:00
This is the other thing, you know that movie Gaslight

1179
1:00:00 --> 1:00:03
with Ingrid Bergman and I think Charles Poirier,

1180
1:00:03 --> 1:00:06
you know, he turns the, she knows the gas,

1181
1:00:06 --> 1:00:08
the gas lights go up, you know, everything's fine.

1182
1:00:08 --> 1:00:12
He convinces her that she's crazy when in fact,

1183
1:00:12 --> 1:00:15
she's actually noting what's really reality.

1184
1:00:15 --> 1:00:17
So those of us who have observed these things,

1185
1:00:17 --> 1:00:20
we're the ones that they're trying to gaslight all the time.

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So the operation, the operation was massive.

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It was incredibly, deviously brilliantly constructed.

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And I think a lot of this has to do,

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the use of the mask is a brilliant propagandistic tool

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in their part, because even the,

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even very highly educated, intelligent,

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professional people think, well, the mask,

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well, it's gotta do something.

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It protects something, right?

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1:00:47 --> 1:00:52
And they convinced many, many people that these were essential.

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I still see people walking around with masks now.

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1:00:54 --> 1:00:59
They're utterly useless and actually are quite damaging as well.

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But these are brilliant psychological tools that they know

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and have used to great advantage on their part.

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Now, with respect to Desmet and I read Desmet's book.

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I have a little quarrel with Desmet's ideas.

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I don't believe mass formation explains all that much.

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But I also took issue with this issue.

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He wrote, he had a section in his book

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1:01:21 --> 1:01:23
about the Sierpinski triangle

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and how this explained this kind of organic,

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1:01:27 --> 1:01:30
I mean, there's a feeling in Desmet

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that it wasn't an elite that who deliberately

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1:01:38 --> 1:01:40
perpetrated an agenda.

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1:01:40 --> 1:01:41
And I think that's where the quarrel

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1:01:41 --> 1:01:43
with the Breggins came from.

1212
1:01:43 --> 1:01:46
So I've read an article about this in my Substack,

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if you're interested, it's somewhere listed long articles,

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1:01:49 --> 1:01:52
but I talked about it in that regard.

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1:01:53 --> 1:01:56
I think when it comes down to this issue,

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1:01:56 --> 1:01:59
we're now, there is a dividing line.

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1:01:59 --> 1:02:01
If you think that all these lockdowns

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1:02:01 --> 1:02:04
and this whole operation occurred

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out of some kind of spontaneous organic kind of wildfire,

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1:02:09 --> 1:02:11
then you're missing the truth of the matter,

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which is that there is a systematic

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and a coordinated effort to go after us, the people,

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we little people.

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1:02:20 --> 1:02:24
I don't see any other way out of that explanation.

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1:02:25 --> 1:02:27
So Emmanuel, what do you think about,

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1:02:27 --> 1:02:31
so I'm not seeking to divide us further,

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1:02:31 --> 1:02:34
but I just am astonished that so many people

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are stuck on the vaccinations

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1:02:36 --> 1:02:40
and don't consider anything else, not even,

1230
1:02:40 --> 1:02:43
and if I say, oh, I think that populations

1231
1:02:43 --> 1:02:45
were psychologically tortured

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1:02:45 --> 1:02:47
or that they raped the souls of human beings

1233
1:02:47 --> 1:02:49
and they intended to do so, I'm told,

1234
1:02:49 --> 1:02:53
oh, no, you can't say that, that's going too far, apparently.

1235
1:02:53 --> 1:02:56
But it seems to me that not exactly what-

1236
1:02:56 --> 1:02:58
You're absolutely right, I'm glad you brought that up.

1237
1:02:58 --> 1:03:01
I too, I'm tired, everybody's so focused on the jab

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as if the jab is the only thing.

1239
1:03:03 --> 1:03:06
Well, the jab is one of their tools.

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1:03:06 --> 1:03:08
It's one of the parts of their operation.

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1:03:08 --> 1:03:10
I think the major one was that-

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1:03:10 --> 1:03:12
These other things are what you're talking about.

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1:03:13 --> 1:03:16
Fear, remember when this happened?

1244
1:03:16 --> 1:03:18
You couldn't go by your screen

1245
1:03:18 --> 1:03:21
and not see a death count of some sort.

1246
1:03:21 --> 1:03:24
Every day, a death count and fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.

1247
1:03:24 --> 1:03:27
They were bludgeoning people, they were traumatizing people,

1248
1:03:27 --> 1:03:29
and it was phony, we know it was phony.

1249
1:03:29 --> 1:03:33
John Ioannidis proved to us scientifically it was phony,

1250
1:03:33 --> 1:03:37
okay, and yet they hammered away these death counts

1251
1:03:37 --> 1:03:40
every single day for such a long time

1252
1:03:40 --> 1:03:42
that I can't even remember.

1253
1:03:42 --> 1:03:43
And right, we have the more-

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1:03:43 --> 1:03:46
The issue that you raise about the jab, the jab, the jab,

1255
1:03:47 --> 1:03:50
these people we're against are the merchants of fear.

1256
1:03:50 --> 1:03:53
They're the masters of fear.

1257
1:03:53 --> 1:03:58
If we try to combat fear, their fear,

1258
1:03:58 --> 1:04:00
without trying to induce fear by saying,

1259
1:04:00 --> 1:04:02
oh, if you get the jab, you're gonna die.

1260
1:04:02 --> 1:04:05
See, that person died, another example.

1261
1:04:05 --> 1:04:07
We're not gonna win that battle.

1262
1:04:07 --> 1:04:10
We are not gonna out fear these people.

1263
1:04:10 --> 1:04:12
So we have gotta be more fundamental.

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1:04:12 --> 1:04:16
They violated human rights, they tortured people,

1265
1:04:16 --> 1:04:19
they imprisoned the healthy, they imprisoned people.

1266
1:04:19 --> 1:04:20
These are the realities.

1267
1:04:20 --> 1:04:23
And they're doing all kinds of things economically.

1268
1:04:23 --> 1:04:25
Look at the transfer of wealth that occurred.

1269
1:04:25 --> 1:04:26
Sure. Right?

1270
1:04:26 --> 1:04:28
Massive transfer of wealth.

1271
1:04:28 --> 1:04:29
And you know, but I'm sure your people know,

1272
1:04:29 --> 1:04:32
but all the globalist stuff with the currencies

1273
1:04:32 --> 1:04:34
and the WHO and whatnot.

1274
1:04:34 --> 1:04:38
So the fundamental issues are an attack on human rights

1275
1:04:38 --> 1:04:41
and human beings, physical beings.

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1:04:41 --> 1:04:44
Emmanuel, they played on fear.

1277
1:04:44 --> 1:04:46
They used fear propaganda.

1278
1:04:46 --> 1:04:51
The question is, were people psychologically tortured

1279
1:04:51 --> 1:04:53
beyond the point of no return?

1280
1:04:53 --> 1:04:54
And is that what we're seeing now?

1281
1:04:54 --> 1:04:57
Because even I have great difficulty in remembering

1282
1:04:57 --> 1:05:00
how life was before 2019.

1283
1:05:00 --> 1:05:02
I just sense that it's very different,

1284
1:05:02 --> 1:05:05
but it could be my perception.

1285
1:05:05 --> 1:05:07
But I did spend a lot, sorry.

1286
1:05:08 --> 1:05:09
I share that perception.

1287
1:05:09 --> 1:05:14
I feel there's a miasma that's still above us.

1288
1:05:14 --> 1:05:17
And the world has changed.

1289
1:05:17 --> 1:05:18
I mean, I feel like there's been a change.

1290
1:05:18 --> 1:05:23
And I think that they really did do a number on us.

1291
1:05:23 --> 1:05:24
Sure.

1292
1:05:24 --> 1:05:26
Okay, they did a number on us.

1293
1:05:26 --> 1:05:28
They really did torture people that way.

1294
1:05:28 --> 1:05:31
They changed their view of the world.

1295
1:05:31 --> 1:05:34
But for me, for me personally, what I saw was

1296
1:05:35 --> 1:05:40
they have such power that they will force,

1297
1:05:41 --> 1:05:45
try to force a substance into my inviolable body,

1298
1:05:45 --> 1:05:50
that they will imprison me into a small area.

1299
1:05:50 --> 1:05:53
And nobody's fighting about this.

1300
1:05:53 --> 1:05:56
Nobody's rising up in rebellion.

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1:05:56 --> 1:05:56
They have that control.

1302
1:05:56 --> 1:06:00
They will go into bank accounts and freeze bank accounts

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1:06:00 --> 1:06:01
or even take money.

1304
1:06:01 --> 1:06:02
So this is the reach.

1305
1:06:02 --> 1:06:04
And they were surveil everything.

1306
1:06:04 --> 1:06:05
This is the reach.

1307
1:06:05 --> 1:06:07
That's what's terrifying to me.

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1:06:07 --> 1:06:11
And that's what I think that is what causes me

1309
1:06:11 --> 1:06:16
to continue to feel a great deal of trepidation as a result.

1310
1:06:17 --> 1:06:20
So yes, yeah.

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1:06:21 --> 1:06:23
So for a long time, just very quickly,

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1:06:23 --> 1:06:26
for a long time I thought I was immune and people like me,

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1:06:26 --> 1:06:29
I thought we were all immune from the psychological torture

1314
1:06:29 --> 1:06:31
which I was witnessing.

1315
1:06:31 --> 1:06:34
And then I realized that actually I wasn't feeling very well

1316
1:06:34 --> 1:06:36
in the beginning of 2022.

1317
1:06:36 --> 1:06:38
I didn't feel quite myself.

1318
1:06:39 --> 1:06:44
And then I realized actually the reason was nothing other

1319
1:06:44 --> 1:06:46
than that I had been psychologically tortured too.

1320
1:06:46 --> 1:06:51
And eventually was affected by it.

1321
1:06:51 --> 1:06:55
But anyway, but I think that we all are afraid

1322
1:06:55 --> 1:06:57
of saying that we were fearful.

1323
1:06:57 --> 1:06:59
I haven't heard many people saying,

1324
1:06:59 --> 1:07:02
I've heard people saying we need to run for,

1325
1:07:02 --> 1:07:04
we need to stampede for the exits

1326
1:07:05 --> 1:07:06
and other stuff.

1327
1:07:07 --> 1:07:09
And it pointed out to me that these people

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1:07:09 --> 1:07:11
were very afraid.

1329
1:07:11 --> 1:07:12
I hadn't realized that.

1330
1:07:12 --> 1:07:17
I was just frustrated that they were further

1331
1:07:17 --> 1:07:20
psychologically torturing people on the meetings.

1332
1:07:23 --> 1:07:26
But you never heard any of these people who were,

1333
1:07:28 --> 1:07:31
possibly they weren't in control of themselves.

1334
1:07:32 --> 1:07:35
They didn't realize what they were doing,

1335
1:07:35 --> 1:07:37
but there were one or two people saying stampede

1336
1:07:37 --> 1:07:39
for the exits all the time.

1337
1:07:39 --> 1:07:42
I thought this is not what people wanna hear on the group

1338
1:07:42 --> 1:07:47
to enable them to tell people what had happened

1339
1:07:47 --> 1:07:48
to wake them up.

1340
1:07:48 --> 1:07:51
But I wanted to ask you, since we've got the chance,

1341
1:07:51 --> 1:07:53
have people got PTSD?

1342
1:07:53 --> 1:07:55
Have they got Stockholm syndrome?

1343
1:07:55 --> 1:07:57
Or is it all about cults?

1344
1:07:57 --> 1:08:00
Did someone read a playbook on cults

1345
1:08:00 --> 1:08:02
or a deadly cult into operation?

1346
1:08:02 --> 1:08:04
So is the COVID stuff?

1347
1:08:04 --> 1:08:05
Yeah, you know.

1348
1:08:05 --> 1:08:07
The thing I want you to touch on, Emmanuel,

1349
1:08:07 --> 1:08:11
is the people who have been psychologically tortured

1350
1:08:11 --> 1:08:12
and who are not yet themselves,

1351
1:08:12 --> 1:08:14
are they ever going to recover?

1352
1:08:14 --> 1:08:16
Especially when they don't know what's happened

1353
1:08:16 --> 1:08:18
and nobody's diagnosed them.

1354
1:08:18 --> 1:08:20
It's up to us to point out to them

1355
1:08:20 --> 1:08:23
that this was way more serious than they thought.

1356
1:08:23 --> 1:08:26
It was bad enough, what they saw,

1357
1:08:26 --> 1:08:28
but it's way more serious, I think.

1358
1:08:28 --> 1:08:31
I think, sorry.

1359
1:08:31 --> 1:08:33
Yeah, I think, Steven, there were a lot of profound questions.

1360
1:08:33 --> 1:08:35
I'm not sure I have the expertise to answer them fully,

1361
1:08:35 --> 1:08:36
but what I'll say,

1362
1:08:36 --> 1:08:38
I think we've all been psychologically traumatized.

1363
1:08:38 --> 1:08:41
I think there's no question about that.

1364
1:08:41 --> 1:08:44
Whether we have the criteria that meet the PTSD stuff

1365
1:08:44 --> 1:08:48
and DSM is another thing, but we're bruised.

1366
1:08:48 --> 1:08:49
We're bruised, we're battered.

1367
1:08:49 --> 1:08:54
We've been shown the hand of power, and it is a vicious one.

1368
1:08:54 --> 1:08:57
And there are people in the other camp

1369
1:08:57 --> 1:09:00
who they know something isn't right.

1370
1:09:00 --> 1:09:03
They unconsciously sense something is not right,

1371
1:09:03 --> 1:09:07
but they can't quite consciously apprehend it.

1372
1:09:07 --> 1:09:09
And there are people in the other camp

1373
1:09:09 --> 1:09:10
who are just completely blind to it

1374
1:09:10 --> 1:09:12
and just think everything is fine.

1375
1:09:12 --> 1:09:14
Just do what they tell you.

1376
1:09:14 --> 1:09:15
Everything's gonna be okay.

1377
1:09:15 --> 1:09:17
And then you have opportunists.

1378
1:09:17 --> 1:09:20
Part of the operation is human beings

1379
1:09:20 --> 1:09:23
are composites of good and evil, let's say,

1380
1:09:23 --> 1:09:25
simplistically speaking.

1381
1:09:25 --> 1:09:26
All right?

1382
1:09:27 --> 1:09:29
A good operation like this,

1383
1:09:29 --> 1:09:31
a brilliant devilish operation like this

1384
1:09:31 --> 1:09:36
is gonna elicit the worst out of human beings, purposefully.

1385
1:09:36 --> 1:09:39
And so you got rabid, crazy people

1386
1:09:39 --> 1:09:43
who would shout if you didn't wear a mask.

1387
1:09:43 --> 1:09:43
Sure.

1388
1:09:43 --> 1:09:45
And within 10 feet of them.

1389
1:09:45 --> 1:09:49
And who wanted to, who thought that

1390
1:09:49 --> 1:09:50
if you didn't get the jab,

1391
1:09:50 --> 1:09:51
you shouldn't be in their vicinity.

1392
1:09:51 --> 1:09:53
I was barred from family gatherings

1393
1:09:53 --> 1:09:56
because even though I was very healthy,

1394
1:09:56 --> 1:09:58
I had not been jabbed.

1395
1:09:58 --> 1:10:02
And then you have people like Noam Chomsky,

1396
1:10:02 --> 1:10:07
the supposed leading light of the liberal left,

1397
1:10:07 --> 1:10:09
saying that the unvaccinated should go

1398
1:10:09 --> 1:10:13
and forage for their food and should be quarantined.

1399
1:10:13 --> 1:10:14
I've got a video of him saying something like that.

1400
1:10:14 --> 1:10:19
So this is, how do you explain that?

1401
1:10:20 --> 1:10:21
Is he co-opted?

1402
1:10:21 --> 1:10:23
Is he part of the program?

1403
1:10:23 --> 1:10:24
Is he just an idiot?

1404
1:10:24 --> 1:10:27
Is he a cruel, sadistic person?

1405
1:10:27 --> 1:10:29
I have no respect for a person like that.

1406
1:10:29 --> 1:10:33
I mean, imagine a healthy person

1407
1:10:33 --> 1:10:35
being deemed a danger to someone.

1408
1:10:35 --> 1:10:38
And imagine all these people who bought it,

1409
1:10:38 --> 1:10:40
all these people who bought it.

1410
1:10:41 --> 1:10:43
It's inconceivable.

1411
1:10:43 --> 1:10:44
Can they come back?

1412
1:10:45 --> 1:10:46
Honestly, I don't know.

1413
1:10:46 --> 1:10:48
I don't know.

1414
1:10:48 --> 1:10:53
What I think the best means we have to-

1415
1:10:53 --> 1:10:55
I just want to get, this is very important.

1416
1:10:55 --> 1:10:57
So when can they come back?

1417
1:10:57 --> 1:10:58
You mean, can they recover?

1418
1:10:58 --> 1:10:59
Is that what you meant?

1419
1:10:59 --> 1:11:00
Yeah, yeah.

1420
1:11:00 --> 1:11:01
Can they recover from that?

1421
1:11:01 --> 1:11:03
Can they get out of that mindset?

1422
1:11:03 --> 1:11:06
And I think that we have to live without fear.

1423
1:11:06 --> 1:11:08
We have to show by example,

1424
1:11:08 --> 1:11:11
what it's like to live without fear.

1425
1:11:11 --> 1:11:15
We have to not fall into the convenient notion

1426
1:11:15 --> 1:11:18
that we have no power against their power.

1427
1:11:18 --> 1:11:22
In fact, we may not have as much power,

1428
1:11:22 --> 1:11:26
but we do have power and we shouldn't feel disempowered.

1429
1:11:26 --> 1:11:29
It's a matter of asserting ourselves,

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1:11:29 --> 1:11:31
of insisting on our rights.

1431
1:11:31 --> 1:11:32
It's simple.

1432
1:11:32 --> 1:11:34
Yeah, but it's not just that, is it, Emmanuel?

1433
1:11:34 --> 1:11:39
Because so we, you and I, and others on this call,

1434
1:11:41 --> 1:11:43
we have a special responsibility

1435
1:11:43 --> 1:11:46
because we are kind of asking each other,

1436
1:11:46 --> 1:11:49
we're not sure ourselves of the extent of the damage

1437
1:11:49 --> 1:11:51
or the extent of the attack.

1438
1:11:52 --> 1:11:54
We're not sure of the psychological torture,

1439
1:11:54 --> 1:11:57
highly damaging psychological torture,

1440
1:11:57 --> 1:12:02
trying to isolate human beings, highly social animals.

1441
1:12:02 --> 1:12:05
And it's absolutely key for human beings

1442
1:12:05 --> 1:12:06
to have human contact,

1443
1:12:06 --> 1:12:09
yet they wanted to isolate everybody.

1444
1:12:09 --> 1:12:13
So Boris Johnson said on British television live,

1445
1:12:13 --> 1:12:15
you must stay at home.

1446
1:12:15 --> 1:12:18
And I personally think Boris Johnson, pardon?

1447
1:12:19 --> 1:12:20
I'm sorry.

1448
1:12:20 --> 1:12:21
I'm sorry, this person.

1449
1:12:23 --> 1:12:26
So Stephen, that's 20 minutes now.

1450
1:12:26 --> 1:12:26
Goes quickly, doesn't it?

1451
1:12:26 --> 1:12:29
So what I'm trying, wait a minute, Charles.

1452
1:12:29 --> 1:12:31
So what I'm trying to say, Emmanuel,

1453
1:12:31 --> 1:12:33
you are a psychiatrist.

1454
1:12:33 --> 1:12:34
You're also a psychoanalyst.

1455
1:12:34 --> 1:12:35
You've listened to many, many people.

1456
1:12:35 --> 1:12:37
You've got a great understanding of human beings,

1457
1:12:37 --> 1:12:40
which is why you're able to articulate

1458
1:12:40 --> 1:12:42
all these amazing thoughts you have

1459
1:12:42 --> 1:12:45
and kind of talk, jump from one to another.

1460
1:12:45 --> 1:12:47
And so what I'm trying to say is,

1461
1:12:47 --> 1:12:50
if we don't kind of have confidence

1462
1:12:50 --> 1:12:52
in our instincts about this,

1463
1:12:52 --> 1:12:55
so I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'm a medical doctor.

1464
1:12:55 --> 1:12:57
And so if we don't have the confidence

1465
1:12:57 --> 1:13:00
to actually push this possibility,

1466
1:13:00 --> 1:13:04
because no one else will, and no one will get better either.

1467
1:13:04 --> 1:13:05
That's what I'm trying to say.

1468
1:13:05 --> 1:13:07
So you and I may be-

1469
1:13:07 --> 1:13:09
So what I would say, Stephen,

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is that human beings are resilient also.

1471
1:13:12 --> 1:13:15
Human beings are social creatures.

1472
1:13:15 --> 1:13:20
I go to a beach here and people want to congregate there.

1473
1:13:20 --> 1:13:21
They want to go to the beach.

1474
1:13:21 --> 1:13:23
They want to get together and swim.

1475
1:13:23 --> 1:13:26
They want to be with each other.

1476
1:13:26 --> 1:13:30
So there's a very strong impulse within us

1477
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to do what we need to do and should do.

1478
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And that cannot be,

1479
1:13:37 --> 1:13:39
that has to be taken into account as well.

1480
1:13:39 --> 1:13:41
It's not as if people were tortured

1481
1:13:41 --> 1:13:44
and they're left disabled forever.

1482
1:13:44 --> 1:13:46
I think that there's a restorative ability,

1483
1:13:46 --> 1:13:49
a restorative capacity within each of us,

1484
1:13:49 --> 1:13:53
and it has to be nurtured and brought along.

1485
1:13:53 --> 1:13:58
And I feel quite optimistic.

1486
1:13:58 --> 1:14:00
I feel quite optimistic that people

1487
1:14:02 --> 1:14:06
want to surge into a togetherness.

1488
1:14:06 --> 1:14:08
What I feel pessimistic about is whether

1489
1:14:08 --> 1:14:10
the government will come down with something else

1490
1:14:10 --> 1:14:15
and convince people of another kind of terrible situation

1491
1:14:19 --> 1:14:23
and we'll be left with another apartheid society

1492
1:14:23 --> 1:14:25
and maybe even a more maniacal response,

1493
1:14:25 --> 1:14:28
like what happened to the man who comes back

1494
1:14:28 --> 1:14:31
in the Plato's cave and they conspire to kill him.

1495
1:14:31 --> 1:14:32
I don't know.

1496
1:14:32 --> 1:14:34
Well, so that brings us to another point,

1497
1:14:34 --> 1:14:36
which I'll very briefly mention,

1498
1:14:36 --> 1:14:37
but I won't have time to go into it,

1499
1:14:38 --> 1:14:40
in my opinion, there was no pandemic,

1500
1:14:40 --> 1:14:44
but further than that, there never have been any pandemics.

1501
1:14:44 --> 1:14:47
And what's more, there won't be any pandemics in the future.

1502
1:14:47 --> 1:14:50
The point being that the whole playbook at the moment

1503
1:14:50 --> 1:14:55
seems to be the best Trojan horse is a new disease,

1504
1:14:55 --> 1:14:57
disease X, for example, because they can,

1505
1:14:57 --> 1:15:02
that Trojan horse can line up with all the other Trojan horses,

1506
1:15:02 --> 1:15:03
climate change, the war.

1507
1:15:04 --> 1:15:05
Yeah.

1508
1:15:05 --> 1:15:07
But it's the medical one,

1509
1:15:07 --> 1:15:10
the fear that's engendered by fear of death,

1510
1:15:10 --> 1:15:13
that's the most powerful, in my opinion.

1511
1:15:13 --> 1:15:14
All right, we're moving on.

1512
1:15:14 --> 1:15:15
Thank you.

1513
1:15:15 --> 1:15:16
25 minutes next, David.

1514
1:15:16 --> 1:15:19
The fact that pandemics are not possible, Emmanuel,

1515
1:15:19 --> 1:15:20
means that they don't need to be afraid.

1516
1:15:20 --> 1:15:22
We need to get that message out.

1517
1:15:22 --> 1:15:24
Yes, we do not need to be afraid.

1518
1:15:24 --> 1:15:26
And even, Charles, give me two seconds

1519
1:15:26 --> 1:15:28
to answer Stephen on this, okay?

1520
1:15:28 --> 1:15:29
This is important.

1521
1:15:29 --> 1:15:32
There is something fundamental about the medical issue,

1522
1:15:32 --> 1:15:37
the doctor-patient relationship, the fear of death,

1523
1:15:37 --> 1:15:40
the power differential between the healer

1524
1:15:40 --> 1:15:42
and the person who is ill.

1525
1:15:42 --> 1:15:46
And it is at the fundament of totalitarian systems.

1526
1:15:46 --> 1:15:49
It happened during Hitler's reign.

1527
1:15:49 --> 1:15:52
It's used by all of these people.

1528
1:15:52 --> 1:15:54
You remember the Jews,

1529
1:15:54 --> 1:15:57
they were considered to be purveyors of contagion.

1530
1:15:57 --> 1:15:58
Yes.

1531
1:15:58 --> 1:16:01
That was a big part of the Holocaust, okay?

1532
1:16:01 --> 1:16:03
They were filthy, they were germ-ridden.

1533
1:16:03 --> 1:16:04
It is fundamental.

1534
1:16:04 --> 1:16:08
And this gets back further to the fear of death.

1535
1:16:08 --> 1:16:10
I think out of all of this,

1536
1:16:10 --> 1:16:12
maybe the most important thing is to,

1537
1:16:12 --> 1:16:17
for all of us, to confront our mortality, accept it.

1538
1:16:18 --> 1:16:20
We're all gonna die sometime.

1539
1:16:21 --> 1:16:25
And why are we afraid of our own shadows?

1540
1:16:25 --> 1:16:26
Absolutely.

1541
1:16:26 --> 1:16:28
I mean, I agree with you, but this was no pandemic.

1542
1:16:28 --> 1:16:29
There was not a pandemic here.

1543
1:16:29 --> 1:16:30
This is fear.

1544
1:16:30 --> 1:16:33
Fear-induced baloney, et cetera.

1545
1:16:33 --> 1:16:35
But let's get more fundamental.

1546
1:16:35 --> 1:16:36
We all wanna live.

1547
1:16:36 --> 1:16:39
We all wanna have hopes, desires, and dreams.

1548
1:16:39 --> 1:16:44
And I think it's only in accepting that we will die

1549
1:16:44 --> 1:16:47
and we can die, we don't know when we're gonna die,

1550
1:16:47 --> 1:16:49
that we can truly be free.

1551
1:16:49 --> 1:16:50
Absolutely, I agree with you.

1552
1:16:50 --> 1:16:55
I think in my personal journey, I've lived a life.

1553
1:16:56 --> 1:17:00
And if I die tomorrow, I've died having lived.

1554
1:17:00 --> 1:17:04
I do not wanna have a life, like a living death.

1555
1:17:04 --> 1:17:05
Cowering away.

1556
1:17:06 --> 1:17:08
Cowering in all my needs.

1557
1:17:08 --> 1:17:09
Well said, Manny.

1558
1:17:09 --> 1:17:11
Wonderful, Emmanuel.

1559
1:17:11 --> 1:17:12
Yeah.

1560
1:17:12 --> 1:17:16
And now I understand why Michel liked you, or likes you.

1561
1:17:16 --> 1:17:19
All right, next, we've got a string of hands up.

1562
1:17:19 --> 1:17:21
So, Jerry Waters.

1563
1:17:21 --> 1:17:22
Hi, Manny.

1564
1:17:22 --> 1:17:24
It's a pleasure to meet you.

1565
1:17:24 --> 1:17:28
You're obviously a true warrior.

1566
1:17:28 --> 1:17:33
And as many of my friends say, us warriors, truth seekers,

1567
1:17:37 --> 1:17:40
freedom fighters have to stick together.

1568
1:17:40 --> 1:17:45
And it's so true that these people that we've met up

1569
1:17:45 --> 1:17:50
since 2020, we've been friends for a long time.

1570
1:17:50 --> 1:17:55
And I think that these people that we've met since 2021

1571
1:17:56 --> 1:17:58
are really, really different people.

1572
1:17:58 --> 1:18:00
They are worthy of a friendship.

1573
1:18:00 --> 1:18:03
And I would hope that I'm worthy of their friendship.

1574
1:18:04 --> 1:18:08
But I really have met such a fabulous group of people.

1575
1:18:08 --> 1:18:10
Now, of course, you come across the odd nutcase

1576
1:18:10 --> 1:18:12
and people are off the wall.

1577
1:18:12 --> 1:18:17
I do find there's a lot of quacks.

1578
1:18:17 --> 1:18:21
People would be off the wall ideas and that.

1579
1:18:22 --> 1:18:25
Just getting on to the idea of crushing.

1580
1:18:25 --> 1:18:26
What was it all about?

1581
1:18:26 --> 1:18:29
It was about crushing the human spirit.

1582
1:18:29 --> 1:18:33
It was crushing the humanity in us, forcing us to,

1583
1:18:35 --> 1:18:36
the social distancing, the masking,

1584
1:18:36 --> 1:18:40
the whole thing was about crushing us.

1585
1:18:40 --> 1:18:43
I personally don't feel traumatized, at least.

1586
1:18:43 --> 1:18:45
I feel invigorated.

1587
1:18:45 --> 1:18:46
This is the best thing.

1588
1:18:46 --> 1:18:47
Well, it's not a good thing.

1589
1:18:47 --> 1:18:49
I hate the idea that's happened

1590
1:18:49 --> 1:18:52
but by Jesus brought out the fighting spirit in me.

1591
1:18:52 --> 1:18:54
And I will fight and I will fight.

1592
1:18:54 --> 1:18:58
And this is the hill on which I die.

1593
1:18:58 --> 1:19:00
I've reached 74.

1594
1:19:00 --> 1:19:03
I really not that pushed about getting old.

1595
1:19:03 --> 1:19:06
And if I die at this stage, yeah, it's okay.

1596
1:19:06 --> 1:19:08
So if somebody came up and shot me,

1597
1:19:09 --> 1:19:12
I would feel, well, at some stage,

1598
1:19:12 --> 1:19:13
they would call a street after me

1599
1:19:13 --> 1:19:16
or a bridge or something after me.

1600
1:19:16 --> 1:19:18
That is worth it at this stage.

1601
1:19:20 --> 1:19:24
Getting on to the virus.

1602
1:19:24 --> 1:19:25
No virus.

1603
1:19:25 --> 1:19:28
It doesn't matter whether there's a virus or not.

1604
1:19:28 --> 1:19:30
I personally believe there are viruses.

1605
1:19:30 --> 1:19:32
My 40 years in general practice have taught me,

1606
1:19:32 --> 1:19:37
and too often I've seen, classes of snotty nose kids.

1607
1:19:37 --> 1:19:39
And then people came in coming into me

1608
1:19:39 --> 1:19:42
with various upper as biotract infections.

1609
1:19:42 --> 1:19:43
I picked them up.

1610
1:19:43 --> 1:19:45
I bring them home to my wife and kids.

1611
1:19:46 --> 1:19:51
The whole idea fits some sort of an effective entity.

1612
1:19:51 --> 1:19:55
40 years I've done this and I cannot help but believe

1613
1:19:55 --> 1:19:57
that there is some sort of infectious entity.

1614
1:19:57 --> 1:20:00
Whether it's an exosome or whether it's a virus,

1615
1:20:00 --> 1:20:01
I don't care.

1616
1:20:01 --> 1:20:04
I don't happen to believe it's a nutritional problem

1617
1:20:04 --> 1:20:07
in me and my family that lasted for two and a half days

1618
1:20:07 --> 1:20:12
or electromagnetic waves or whatever.

1619
1:20:13 --> 1:20:18
So what I'm saying is I stick with a viral concept

1620
1:20:18 --> 1:20:20
or some sort of infectious entity.

1621
1:20:20 --> 1:20:23
I think this is a huge distraction as well.

1622
1:20:23 --> 1:20:25
I don't think we should be going down this road

1623
1:20:25 --> 1:20:30
at this point in time, given that this is the greatest crime

1624
1:20:30 --> 1:20:31
in history bar none.

1625
1:20:34 --> 1:20:37
This puts everything else into the hate me place.

1626
1:20:37 --> 1:20:41
This is the greatest totalitarian takeover.

1627
1:20:42 --> 1:20:46
And effort to transfer of wealth.

1628
1:20:46 --> 1:20:50
No, I know global warming was a similar type one.

1629
1:20:50 --> 1:20:53
But at the end of the day, I believe,

1630
1:20:53 --> 1:20:56
and I said this a couple of times on this Zoom,

1631
1:20:56 --> 1:21:01
I believe that COVID is the rock on which they would perish.

1632
1:21:03 --> 1:21:08
I believe this is the rock that put the whole ship of fools.

1633
1:21:09 --> 1:21:13
Because it's too widespread.

1634
1:21:13 --> 1:21:16
They went a bridge too far.

1635
1:21:17 --> 1:21:19
And that's my firm belief.

1636
1:21:19 --> 1:21:22
I also, again, I communicate with people all the time.

1637
1:21:22 --> 1:21:23
I'm fairly good at communicating.

1638
1:21:23 --> 1:21:27
But all the time people are coming up to me,

1639
1:21:27 --> 1:21:28
shaking my hand saying, Jerry, you were right.

1640
1:21:28 --> 1:21:29
You were dead right.

1641
1:21:29 --> 1:21:31
I taught you off the boards three years ago,

1642
1:21:31 --> 1:21:33
but you're dead right.

1643
1:21:33 --> 1:21:35
So that's what I'd say.

1644
1:21:35 --> 1:21:36
We are winning.

1645
1:21:36 --> 1:21:38
We are definitely winning.

1646
1:21:38 --> 1:21:41
And I think that's a message we should put out.

1647
1:21:41 --> 1:21:43
Anything else is defeatist.

1648
1:21:43 --> 1:21:46
If for a minute we begin to think that we're not winning,

1649
1:21:46 --> 1:21:48
well, then we're winning the great,

1650
1:21:48 --> 1:21:50
we're not losing for us.

1651
1:21:50 --> 1:21:53
We're losing for our children, our grandchildren,

1652
1:21:53 --> 1:21:55
our great grandchildren.

1653
1:21:55 --> 1:21:58
We have to win for them.

1654
1:21:58 --> 1:22:01
So that again is what I'd put out.

1655
1:22:03 --> 1:22:07
And as I say, the crime of COVID hoax.

1656
1:22:08 --> 1:22:11
And the assault and battery of the vaccine

1657
1:22:11 --> 1:22:14
and all the other damage that's done from the masking

1658
1:22:14 --> 1:22:18
and the psychological warfare on the people

1659
1:22:18 --> 1:22:21
was done in the context of what we knew then.

1660
1:22:21 --> 1:22:25
And it doesn't really matter whether it's a virus

1661
1:22:25 --> 1:22:26
or no virus in that.

1662
1:22:26 --> 1:22:28
The crime was committed in the name of that.

1663
1:22:28 --> 1:22:30
And we've got to stick to that.

1664
1:22:32 --> 1:22:36
Just as an aside, what part of New Zealand were you in?

1665
1:22:37 --> 1:22:40
I'm in the Wellington region in the place called Eastbourne

1666
1:22:40 --> 1:22:42
right around the harbour.

1667
1:22:42 --> 1:22:43
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1668
1:22:43 --> 1:22:46
Yeah, I toured New Zealand, fabulous place,

1669
1:22:46 --> 1:22:48
both islands, north and south.

1670
1:22:48 --> 1:22:50
When you've walked the rugby at all,

1671
1:22:50 --> 1:22:52
do you ever manage to get hooked on the rugby?

1672
1:22:52 --> 1:22:55
Yeah, not a big rugby fan now, not really.

1673
1:22:55 --> 1:22:57
Yeah.

1674
1:22:57 --> 1:22:59
I know a few rugby players.

1675
1:22:59 --> 1:23:01
I know actually an All Black even,

1676
1:23:01 --> 1:23:04
but I've seen a few matches.

1677
1:23:04 --> 1:23:09
But, you know, Wellington is a bureaucratic centre

1678
1:23:09 --> 1:23:11
in New Zealand, it's the most bureaucratised,

1679
1:23:11 --> 1:23:13
it's terrible in that regard.

1680
1:23:13 --> 1:23:14
They were the most massed,

1681
1:23:14 --> 1:23:17
the most submissive people in the world.

1682
1:23:17 --> 1:23:19
Yeah, that's a crazy thing, isn't it?

1683
1:23:19 --> 1:23:21
Oh my God, really?

1684
1:23:21 --> 1:23:23
You would never imagine the Māori,

1685
1:23:23 --> 1:23:25
the Māori as they call them,

1686
1:23:25 --> 1:23:28
would have actually gone that road.

1687
1:23:28 --> 1:23:30
I've got a proud boast in that, I could honestly say,

1688
1:23:30 --> 1:23:33
I slept with an All Black.

1689
1:23:33 --> 1:23:34
Nice.

1690
1:23:34 --> 1:23:36
I didn't actually sleep with him.

1691
1:23:36 --> 1:23:38
I slept in the same room as him.

1692
1:23:38 --> 1:23:43
A guy by the name of Mike Brewer, he was a flanker,

1693
1:23:43 --> 1:23:45
and he came and he was coaching with the club I was with,

1694
1:23:45 --> 1:23:49
and when we went away, I was always roomed with him.

1695
1:23:49 --> 1:23:51
So I've got a proud boast

1696
1:23:51 --> 1:23:54
that I actually slept with an All Black.

1697
1:23:54 --> 1:23:55
Okay, on we go.

1698
1:23:55 --> 1:23:58
Thank you, Gerry, the sleeper with the All Blacks.

1699
1:24:00 --> 1:24:01
All right, thanks Gerry.

1700
1:24:01 --> 1:24:02
Anna.

1701
1:24:06 --> 1:24:10
Hi, thank you so much for that amazing presentation.

1702
1:24:10 --> 1:24:13
That was really enjoyable to listen to.

1703
1:24:14 --> 1:24:17
And particularly given that my brother lives in New Zealand,

1704
1:24:17 --> 1:24:19
does do my four nephews and nieces,

1705
1:24:19 --> 1:24:23
and I was horrified at what unfolded in New Zealand,

1706
1:24:23 --> 1:24:25
because as a UK lawyer,

1707
1:24:25 --> 1:24:28
knowing that their law is based on our legal system,

1708
1:24:28 --> 1:24:31
I could not, I simply couldn't understand

1709
1:24:31 --> 1:24:33
all the breaches of human rights, as you pointed out,

1710
1:24:33 --> 1:24:34
that were happening,

1711
1:24:36 --> 1:24:37
particularly in the context that, you know,

1712
1:24:37 --> 1:24:38
it was the medical profession

1713
1:24:38 --> 1:24:41
who seemed to be perpetrating the breach of the human rights

1714
1:24:41 --> 1:24:44
and informed consent, et cetera.

1715
1:24:44 --> 1:24:47
So I don't, the first question really is,

1716
1:24:47 --> 1:24:50
how do you explain the fact that, you know,

1717
1:24:50 --> 1:24:53
the medical profession who have been taught

1718
1:24:53 --> 1:24:55
informed consent laws, I'm told,

1719
1:24:55 --> 1:24:57
who are supposed to uphold human rights,

1720
1:24:57 --> 1:24:59
who are intelligent people,

1721
1:24:59 --> 1:25:02
how did they just simply ignore all that?

1722
1:25:02 --> 1:25:04
This question number one.

1723
1:25:04 --> 1:25:07
And question number two, and I ask all this because,

1724
1:25:07 --> 1:25:08
I'll back up a minute, I ask all this

1725
1:25:08 --> 1:25:10
because I totally agree with you,

1726
1:25:10 --> 1:25:13
that, you know, this has been psychological torture.

1727
1:25:13 --> 1:25:17
And as a lawyer, you know, we've put the case forward

1728
1:25:17 --> 1:25:19
that that has indeed been the case.

1729
1:25:19 --> 1:25:22
And given this level of psychological abuse,

1730
1:25:22 --> 1:25:25
that would vitiate any consent that's been given

1731
1:25:25 --> 1:25:28
in any event, it would nullify the consent.

1732
1:25:29 --> 1:25:31
So that's my, you know,

1733
1:25:31 --> 1:25:32
where I'm coming from from all of this.

1734
1:25:32 --> 1:25:34
But the issue I also wanted to explore

1735
1:25:34 --> 1:25:38
was that of Jacinda Ahern's mental state.

1736
1:25:39 --> 1:25:40
And I didn't know how you feel,

1737
1:25:40 --> 1:25:42
whether you feel comfortable to comment on this,

1738
1:25:42 --> 1:25:44
but, you know, does she have a personality disorder?

1739
1:25:44 --> 1:25:46
Is she a psychopath?

1740
1:25:46 --> 1:25:47
Is she a sociopath?

1741
1:25:47 --> 1:25:51
Because I don't understand how these people

1742
1:25:51 --> 1:25:55
can behave like that as normal beings, as it were.

1743
1:25:55 --> 1:25:57
So over to you and thank you for listening.

1744
1:25:58 --> 1:25:58
Oh, right.

1745
1:25:58 --> 1:26:00
Well, let me first say, I don't,

1746
1:26:00 --> 1:26:02
as a psychoanalyst psychiatrist,

1747
1:26:02 --> 1:26:05
I've never indulged in diagnosing people

1748
1:26:05 --> 1:26:09
whom I haven't treated myself in a private way.

1749
1:26:09 --> 1:26:10
Fair enough.

1750
1:26:10 --> 1:26:12
I don't believe in diagnosing public figures.

1751
1:26:12 --> 1:26:15
But we can say by her actions

1752
1:26:15 --> 1:26:18
that her actions were very destructive.

1753
1:26:18 --> 1:26:21
And it seems to me as if she were following orders.

1754
1:26:21 --> 1:26:24
You know, she worked with Tony Blair in the past.

1755
1:26:25 --> 1:26:29
To me, she was a willing puppet

1756
1:26:29 --> 1:26:33
who worked to help destroy the fabric of her country.

1757
1:26:33 --> 1:26:34
Yeah.

1758
1:26:34 --> 1:26:35
That's how I see her.

1759
1:26:35 --> 1:26:36
Now with responsibility for-

1760
1:26:36 --> 1:26:38
Can I just interject though?

1761
1:26:38 --> 1:26:39
Can I just make a comment on that?

1762
1:26:39 --> 1:26:42
She actively enjoyed it.

1763
1:26:42 --> 1:26:43
She was smiling.

1764
1:26:43 --> 1:26:45
When people challenged her on, you know,

1765
1:26:45 --> 1:26:47
you're creating a two-tiered society.

1766
1:26:47 --> 1:26:48
Yep, yep, that's the way it's gonna be.

1767
1:26:48 --> 1:26:49
Yeah, I remember that.

1768
1:26:49 --> 1:26:50
Yep, yep.

1769
1:26:50 --> 1:26:51
You know, she was happy.

1770
1:26:51 --> 1:26:53
Yeah, you see the problem, and the problem is,

1771
1:26:53 --> 1:26:55
I don't watch mainstream media,

1772
1:26:55 --> 1:26:56
so I saw very few clips of these things.

1773
1:26:56 --> 1:26:58
I never watched this stuff.

1774
1:26:58 --> 1:27:00
But I did see the clip of that.

1775
1:27:00 --> 1:27:02
And you know, it doesn't matter to me

1776
1:27:02 --> 1:27:04
whether she enjoys it or not, she did it.

1777
1:27:04 --> 1:27:05
Okay?

1778
1:27:05 --> 1:27:09
You judge by your fruits, not by other stuff.

1779
1:27:09 --> 1:27:12
So what she did was destructive and terrible and awful.

1780
1:27:12 --> 1:27:13
Yeah.

1781
1:27:13 --> 1:27:15
And we just had a protest against her being appointed

1782
1:27:15 --> 1:27:17
to this Christ Church position

1783
1:27:17 --> 1:27:20
of being misinformation czar or something.

1784
1:27:20 --> 1:27:22
So, no, she's bad news.

1785
1:27:22 --> 1:27:25
But I don't expect much from the new government,

1786
1:27:25 --> 1:27:26
although we have a foot in the door.

1787
1:27:26 --> 1:27:27
Now, let me get back to your other question

1788
1:27:27 --> 1:27:29
about the medical establishment.

1789
1:27:29 --> 1:27:32
First of all, as I said, you know,

1790
1:27:32 --> 1:27:34
these are mafia tactics.

1791
1:27:34 --> 1:27:37
They, the medical council, following their agenda,

1792
1:27:37 --> 1:27:40
following the FSMB and the national agenda,

1793
1:27:41 --> 1:27:45
picked three people, myself, Peter Canaday, Matt Shelton,

1794
1:27:45 --> 1:27:48
to show everybody else in the profession

1795
1:27:48 --> 1:27:52
that if you dare challenge what we're telling you to do,

1796
1:27:52 --> 1:27:54
you're gonna lose your license.

1797
1:27:54 --> 1:27:56
And so all the other 19, 18,000,

1798
1:27:56 --> 1:27:59
however many doctors there, just,

1799
1:27:59 --> 1:28:01
no matter what they felt about informed consent,

1800
1:28:01 --> 1:28:03
just kept mum for the most part,

1801
1:28:03 --> 1:28:05
with some exceptions, of course.

1802
1:28:05 --> 1:28:06
And so that's how they did that.

1803
1:28:06 --> 1:28:07
And they're still mum.

1804
1:28:07 --> 1:28:12
And I feel, I really feel no respect for these people.

1805
1:28:14 --> 1:28:18
Honestly, that's my personal feeling is a kind of loathing

1806
1:28:18 --> 1:28:20
for these people who sat by silently

1807
1:28:20 --> 1:28:22
and went along with all this stuff.

1808
1:28:22 --> 1:28:23
I agree.

1809
1:28:23 --> 1:28:25
It makes me sick to my stomach.

1810
1:28:25 --> 1:28:27
And I know a GP here, let me tell you,

1811
1:28:27 --> 1:28:29
this is a very important example.

1812
1:28:29 --> 1:28:33
Someone here had a serious adverse event

1813
1:28:33 --> 1:28:38
after the first jab, okay, a practicing GP,

1814
1:28:38 --> 1:28:42
and called me in tears and talked to me.

1815
1:28:42 --> 1:28:44
This is back in 2021, I think.

1816
1:28:44 --> 1:28:48
And I gave her some support and whatnot.

1817
1:28:48 --> 1:28:51
Well, lo and behold, this same person

1818
1:28:53 --> 1:28:57
has gone full circle and is now back in the Covidian camp,

1819
1:28:57 --> 1:29:02
despite having experienced whatever.

1820
1:29:02 --> 1:29:06
In fact, I saw this person and the response I got once,

1821
1:29:06 --> 1:29:08
and the person was wearing a mask,

1822
1:29:08 --> 1:29:10
I don't wanna reveal the gender,

1823
1:29:10 --> 1:29:11
person was wearing a mask,

1824
1:29:11 --> 1:29:13
I can't believe it, wearing a mask,

1825
1:29:13 --> 1:29:15
and said to me, how you feeling?

1826
1:29:15 --> 1:29:18
I said, I'm feeling great except for this rat,

1827
1:29:18 --> 1:29:21
this lockdown, the traffic lights,

1828
1:29:21 --> 1:29:23
and the person in response said, how you feeling?

1829
1:29:23 --> 1:29:25
The person in response said, I'm terrified.

1830
1:29:25 --> 1:29:26
I said, terrified?

1831
1:29:26 --> 1:29:28
What are you terrified of?

1832
1:29:28 --> 1:29:29
I haven't been fully jabbed.

1833
1:29:31 --> 1:29:33
It was one of the few real exemptions

1834
1:29:33 --> 1:29:36
since the person, you know, I couldn't believe it.

1835
1:29:36 --> 1:29:37
So that's where we're kind of up against

1836
1:29:37 --> 1:29:39
this kind of a culture.

1837
1:29:39 --> 1:29:44
And yeah, I don't know what to say about that any further.

1838
1:29:45 --> 1:29:45
That's very helpful.

1839
1:29:45 --> 1:29:50
At 3%, at 3% of the doctors here just said,

1840
1:29:50 --> 1:29:53
hold on, we need informed consent.

1841
1:29:53 --> 1:29:56
You can't say one size fits all for everybody.

1842
1:29:56 --> 1:29:58
We would have stopped it in its tracks.

1843
1:29:58 --> 1:30:00
Exactly, I keep saying that.

1844
1:30:02 --> 1:30:03
Very good.

1845
1:30:03 --> 1:30:06
Well, I mean, the horrifying thing is that, you know,

1846
1:30:06 --> 1:30:09
these doctors think that they may have kept their head down

1847
1:30:09 --> 1:30:10
and got away with it all.

1848
1:30:10 --> 1:30:12
But you know, as the lawsuit's coming,

1849
1:30:12 --> 1:30:15
they're facing imprisonment or worse.

1850
1:30:15 --> 1:30:17
And you know, it just astonishes me that they think

1851
1:30:17 --> 1:30:20
for that short term gain, that that long term risk

1852
1:30:20 --> 1:30:23
is worth taking, besides the breach of their oath

1853
1:30:23 --> 1:30:24
and the fact that they're killing people.

1854
1:30:24 --> 1:30:27
I mean, the whole thing just appalls me.

1855
1:30:27 --> 1:30:29
But anyway, thank you so much for taking your stand

1856
1:30:29 --> 1:30:31
and you're a hero.

1857
1:30:31 --> 1:30:33
And I work with Matt Shelton and he's a hero too.

1858
1:30:33 --> 1:30:35
Thank you both so much.

1859
1:30:36 --> 1:30:38
Thank you, Anna, well said.

1860
1:30:38 --> 1:30:42
Jeremy, our favorite dentist from the Channel Islands.

1861
1:30:42 --> 1:30:44
Manny.

1862
1:30:44 --> 1:30:46
Hi, Emmanuel, yeah, very much appreciated

1863
1:30:46 --> 1:30:47
your comments today.

1864
1:30:47 --> 1:30:48
I got away with one really,

1865
1:30:48 --> 1:30:51
because I was all set to possibly move to New Zealand.

1866
1:30:51 --> 1:30:53
One of my colleagues moved over,

1867
1:30:53 --> 1:30:55
asking me and my family and my practice out there

1868
1:30:55 --> 1:30:59
and he ended up getting about three of them

1869
1:30:59 --> 1:31:01
and regretting it very much.

1870
1:31:01 --> 1:31:04
So I noticed they've revoked the mandate now,

1871
1:31:04 --> 1:31:08
but what do you feel is the political situation there

1872
1:31:09 --> 1:31:11
with regards to the politicians,

1873
1:31:11 --> 1:31:13
the population and the medics?

1874
1:31:13 --> 1:31:15
Are they waking up?

1875
1:31:15 --> 1:31:17
Do you think they could,

1876
1:31:18 --> 1:31:21
if they have another so-called pandemic,

1877
1:31:21 --> 1:31:24
just impose another mandate?

1878
1:31:24 --> 1:31:27
What is your view on the professions

1879
1:31:27 --> 1:31:31
and the populations attitude to this now going forwards?

1880
1:31:31 --> 1:31:32
Well, there's a little wrinkle with,

1881
1:31:32 --> 1:31:33
they revoke the mandates and yet,

1882
1:31:33 --> 1:31:36
if you wanna get a job with the health system,

1883
1:31:36 --> 1:31:37
you still have to be jabbed.

1884
1:31:37 --> 1:31:40
The employers can insist you're being jabbed.

1885
1:31:40 --> 1:31:42
So much for the mandates being revoked.

1886
1:31:42 --> 1:31:44
It's a very clever system they have.

1887
1:31:45 --> 1:31:49
In Wellington, they have a dearth of psychiatrists

1888
1:31:49 --> 1:31:51
and yet they terminated two

1889
1:31:51 --> 1:31:55
of the few competent psychiatrists they had

1890
1:31:55 --> 1:31:59
who had been working here long and well and well respected.

1891
1:31:59 --> 1:32:00
They don't care.

1892
1:32:02 --> 1:32:04
With respect to the political situation,

1893
1:32:04 --> 1:32:05
as I say, we have a foot in the door,

1894
1:32:05 --> 1:32:08
I think with Winston Peters.

1895
1:32:08 --> 1:32:11
I am not so, I don't believe that the COVID inquiry

1896
1:32:11 --> 1:32:14
that's being established is going to result in much

1897
1:32:14 --> 1:32:17
because all the major parties were in cahoots

1898
1:32:17 --> 1:32:19
when this all happened and they're not gonna wanna

1899
1:32:19 --> 1:32:23
put themselves in prison, whoever's conducting the inquiry.

1900
1:32:23 --> 1:32:28
But I think that it's gonna come down to people

1901
1:32:28 --> 1:32:32
on the ground saying, no, we're not gonna do this.

1902
1:32:32 --> 1:32:34
You can't do this to us.

1903
1:32:34 --> 1:32:36
Whether the professions will follow along

1904
1:32:36 --> 1:32:39
with the doctors who were kind of biding their time

1905
1:32:39 --> 1:32:42
with their heads below the parapet

1906
1:32:42 --> 1:32:43
are gonna peep up a little bit.

1907
1:32:44 --> 1:32:47
I'm not so sanguine about that, Jeremy,

1908
1:32:47 --> 1:32:48
to be honest over here.

1909
1:32:48 --> 1:32:49
New Zealand is a funny country.

1910
1:32:49 --> 1:32:52
I thought this was a really rough and tough kind of place

1911
1:32:52 --> 1:32:55
where people could use that number eight wire

1912
1:32:55 --> 1:32:58
and fix anything and take care of all kinds of problems.

1913
1:33:00 --> 1:33:04
It's, yeah, I'm not so sure.

1914
1:33:04 --> 1:33:05
I was actually staggered.

1915
1:33:05 --> 1:33:08
I didn't think the Australians, all the New Zealanders,

1916
1:33:08 --> 1:33:09
will put up, sorry, Charles,

1917
1:33:09 --> 1:33:11
would put up with any of this crap.

1918
1:33:11 --> 1:33:13
I thought as a race and a nation

1919
1:33:13 --> 1:33:15
and the individuals would be far stronger.

1920
1:33:15 --> 1:33:19
I couldn't believe they just bowed down and lined up

1921
1:33:19 --> 1:33:21
and no one said anything.

1922
1:33:21 --> 1:33:22
That's not a criticism.

1923
1:33:22 --> 1:33:24
I just, maybe they were just play totally.

1924
1:33:25 --> 1:33:27
But I'm very shocked.

1925
1:33:27 --> 1:33:31
It's interesting to say that's still there and in place.

1926
1:33:31 --> 1:33:32
Thank you for that.

1927
1:33:32 --> 1:33:35
It's very sad and biased as well.

1928
1:33:37 --> 1:33:39
All right, so thank you, Jeremy.

1929
1:33:39 --> 1:33:42
I was on the phone to my accountant yesterday

1930
1:33:42 --> 1:33:47
who, Manny question and Stephen questioned my stance

1931
1:33:47 --> 1:33:49
on all of this over the last four years.

1932
1:33:49 --> 1:33:52
He's been my accountant for 20 plus years.

1933
1:33:52 --> 1:33:57
And he is a very fit guy, 50 years of age,

1934
1:33:59 --> 1:34:00
so much younger than me.

1935
1:34:01 --> 1:34:06
And had heart, suddenly got heart problems.

1936
1:34:07 --> 1:34:10
So Jeremy, to your point and Manny,

1937
1:34:10 --> 1:34:12
what we're talking about,

1938
1:34:12 --> 1:34:15
yesterday he tells me he discussed his,

1939
1:34:15 --> 1:34:20
sorry, he's now awoken and he's become,

1940
1:34:20 --> 1:34:24
and I'm also on the committee

1941
1:34:24 --> 1:34:26
of the Australian Vaccination Risks Network

1942
1:34:26 --> 1:34:29
have been for the last two years.

1943
1:34:29 --> 1:34:33
And he spoke to his cardiologist yesterday

1944
1:34:33 --> 1:34:36
and his cardiologist absolutely agreed

1945
1:34:36 --> 1:34:40
that his heart problems caused by the jab.

1946
1:34:40 --> 1:34:41
So my accountant said to him,

1947
1:34:41 --> 1:34:42
so why don't you say anything?

1948
1:34:42 --> 1:34:44
And he said, as we well know,

1949
1:34:44 --> 1:34:49
why in essence I'll get attacked if I speak up.

1950
1:34:49 --> 1:34:53
So, and we've had the comment at this meeting

1951
1:34:53 --> 1:34:55
and we say it again and again,

1952
1:34:55 --> 1:34:58
that if 20% of medicos had spoken out

1953
1:34:58 --> 1:35:01
against this scam, it would never have happened,

1954
1:35:01 --> 1:35:03
but it's still alive and living.

1955
1:35:03 --> 1:35:06
And Manny, the attack on you and Stephen,

1956
1:35:06 --> 1:35:08
the attacks on you,

1957
1:35:08 --> 1:35:10
it's alive and well and living in these medical boards.

1958
1:35:10 --> 1:35:12
And it was good to be reminded,

1959
1:35:12 --> 1:35:15
Manny, thank you of the Federation of State Medical Boards

1960
1:35:15 --> 1:35:18
and then the International Federation.

1961
1:35:18 --> 1:35:20
And you shining a light on that

1962
1:35:20 --> 1:35:22
will help us to marshal our resources

1963
1:35:22 --> 1:35:24
against the activities of those

1964
1:35:24 --> 1:35:28
so that cardiologists are more willing to speak up

1965
1:35:28 --> 1:35:30
rather than Stephen, you've often said,

1966
1:35:30 --> 1:35:33
we've heard, well, why didn't you speak up,

1967
1:35:33 --> 1:35:36
quote, I have a mortgage to pay?

1968
1:35:37 --> 1:35:39
Oh, I've got to put food on the table.

1969
1:35:39 --> 1:35:40
Yeah, well, we all-

1970
1:35:40 --> 1:35:43
We've got Charles Hoff on, it's like a call soon.

1971
1:35:43 --> 1:35:44
It seems to me, Charles,

1972
1:35:44 --> 1:35:47
that the point that all these people miss

1973
1:35:47 --> 1:35:48
is that they're being attacked.

1974
1:35:48 --> 1:35:51
Don't they defend themselves and their families

1975
1:35:51 --> 1:35:53
when they're attacked normally,

1976
1:35:53 --> 1:35:55
or do they just sit there and take it

1977
1:35:55 --> 1:35:57
and say, I've got to put food on,

1978
1:35:57 --> 1:35:59
it's pathetic, I think, it really is.

1979
1:35:59 --> 1:36:00
How can you be a doctor?

1980
1:36:00 --> 1:36:04
How can you be a doctor when you've betrayed

1981
1:36:04 --> 1:36:06
the fundamental principles of being a doctor?

1982
1:36:06 --> 1:36:07
That's the other thing. Absolutely.

1983
1:36:07 --> 1:36:09
I agree with you.

1984
1:36:09 --> 1:36:10
Okay, thank you, Jeremy.

1985
1:36:10 --> 1:36:13
I was absolutely mystified, Emmanuel,

1986
1:36:13 --> 1:36:17
that so few doctors saw the events of,

1987
1:36:17 --> 1:36:20
or still see the events of the last four years

1988
1:36:20 --> 1:36:21
as I see them.

1989
1:36:21 --> 1:36:23
I can't believe it.

1990
1:36:23 --> 1:36:24
It's unbelievable to me.

1991
1:36:24 --> 1:36:27
Yeah, it's the same as many in New Zealand

1992
1:36:27 --> 1:36:29
of the 20,000 doctors.

1993
1:36:29 --> 1:36:31
There weren't thousands of them on the streets.

1994
1:36:31 --> 1:36:32
All right, Theresa, we're gonna keep moving.

1995
1:36:32 --> 1:36:34
We only got 45 minutes left.

1996
1:36:36 --> 1:36:38
Hi, thank you, Charles.

1997
1:36:39 --> 1:36:42
Hi, Manny, thank you for joining us.

1998
1:36:42 --> 1:36:44
You did a brilliant talk.

1999
1:36:44 --> 1:36:45
I'm so appreciative.

2000
1:36:47 --> 1:36:52
I was going to talk about a pattern interrupt,

2001
1:36:52 --> 1:36:57
changing the script of what we are trying to say to people

2002
1:36:57 --> 1:36:58
because I think people,

2003
1:37:00 --> 1:37:03
they don't wanna know that they've taken poison

2004
1:37:03 --> 1:37:06
and nobody really wants to see the vaccine injured

2005
1:37:06 --> 1:37:09
because that will remind them that they've taken poison.

2006
1:37:10 --> 1:37:15
However, a point raised earlier about the person

2007
1:37:16 --> 1:37:20
who said that we need to create a stampede for the exits.

2008
1:37:20 --> 1:37:22
Well, that's me.

2009
1:37:22 --> 1:37:25
I've been saying that in this group for over two years

2010
1:37:25 --> 1:37:29
and I would like to actually just state my rationale for that

2011
1:37:29 --> 1:37:31
and then ask you your thoughts.

2012
1:37:33 --> 1:37:34
Please.

2013
1:37:35 --> 1:37:36
Right, okay.

2014
1:37:37 --> 1:37:42
I live in the UK and ever since the very beginning

2015
1:37:42 --> 1:37:47
January, 2020, I could see that they were building

2016
1:37:47 --> 1:37:51
what appeared to be a slaughterhouse shoot around us.

2017
1:37:51 --> 1:37:54
Now, I think they're gonna make an example of the UK.

2018
1:37:55 --> 1:37:56
We're an island.

2019
1:37:56 --> 1:37:59
Presently, they are sewing through our food supply.

2020
1:37:59 --> 1:38:02
You know probably about the action against the farmers.

2021
1:38:03 --> 1:38:05
We presently have hundreds of thousands

2022
1:38:05 --> 1:38:09
of fighting age men in our hotels.

2023
1:38:09 --> 1:38:10
They're migrants.

2024
1:38:12 --> 1:38:14
We don't really know why they're here,

2025
1:38:14 --> 1:38:15
but I'll tell you one thing about them.

2026
1:38:15 --> 1:38:17
They're not trying to date the local girls,

2027
1:38:17 --> 1:38:20
which kind of tells you they're on a payroll.

2028
1:38:21 --> 1:38:23
Our government, you know, for 200 years,

2029
1:38:23 --> 1:38:25
they don't build a new prison

2030
1:38:25 --> 1:38:26
and then suddenly they're building

2031
1:38:26 --> 1:38:29
six new mega prisons all at once.

2032
1:38:29 --> 1:38:30
Oh my God.

2033
1:38:31 --> 1:38:36
And I'm pretty sure that a Chinese social credit system

2034
1:38:37 --> 1:38:40
is coming in because our Prime Minister Rishi Sunak,

2035
1:38:40 --> 1:38:43
who nobody voted for, his father-in-law

2036
1:38:43 --> 1:38:47
is the owner of Infosys, which is the company

2037
1:38:47 --> 1:38:50
that put in the software

2038
1:38:50 --> 1:38:54
for the Chinese social credit system in China.

2039
1:38:54 --> 1:38:58
So I've been watching this for three years

2040
1:38:58 --> 1:39:01
and I really do think that we are sleepwalking

2041
1:39:01 --> 1:39:03
into something much, much worse

2042
1:39:03 --> 1:39:05
than what we've seen so far.

2043
1:39:05 --> 1:39:10
I believe that Disease X or whatever they decide to pull next

2044
1:39:10 --> 1:39:14
is going to be, no more Mr. Nice Guy.

2045
1:39:15 --> 1:39:19
So I've been thinking about it.

2046
1:39:19 --> 1:39:23
Are we heading towards a critical mass of anger

2047
1:39:23 --> 1:39:26
or a saturation point of defeat with the public

2048
1:39:26 --> 1:39:30
where you would see people sad, scared,

2049
1:39:30 --> 1:39:32
but going to get jabbed anyway

2050
1:39:32 --> 1:39:37
because their government is telling them to do it.

2051
1:39:37 --> 1:39:40
So I honestly think that we need to change the record.

2052
1:39:40 --> 1:39:43
We need to stop talking about the vaccine injured.

2053
1:39:43 --> 1:39:46
We need to start pointing out the big macroscopic reasons

2054
1:39:46 --> 1:39:49
why they're doing this and create a stampede

2055
1:39:49 --> 1:39:52
of a different kind, one of anger against the government

2056
1:39:52 --> 1:39:54
because they appear to be taking steps

2057
1:39:54 --> 1:39:57
that are not in our interests.

2058
1:39:57 --> 1:39:59
But stay away from the vaccines

2059
1:39:59 --> 1:40:01
because that is triggering people.

2060
1:40:01 --> 1:40:02
We've all seen it.

2061
1:40:02 --> 1:40:06
They shuffle their feet, they lower their gaze.

2062
1:40:06 --> 1:40:10
They appear to want to be somewhere else

2063
1:40:10 --> 1:40:13
and they really don't want to hear it, even now.

2064
1:40:14 --> 1:40:17
Well, let me respond with a few comments.

2065
1:40:17 --> 1:40:20
One, I agree very much psychologically speaking

2066
1:40:20 --> 1:40:23
by harping on the deleterious effects of the jab

2067
1:40:23 --> 1:40:26
we're only increasing resistance against us.

2068
1:40:26 --> 1:40:29
And it's become something of a monomania here.

2069
1:40:29 --> 1:40:31
Another person died from the jab.

2070
1:40:31 --> 1:40:33
Did someone die from the jab?

2071
1:40:33 --> 1:40:36
If so, let's make sure this will be the game changer.

2072
1:40:36 --> 1:40:37
It's not going to be the game changer.

2073
1:40:37 --> 1:40:38
Okay?

2074
1:40:38 --> 1:40:41
We do have to get back to the core issues,

2075
1:40:41 --> 1:40:44
the global issues, the general assault that's occurring.

2076
1:40:44 --> 1:40:48
And we've got to just, I have arguments

2077
1:40:48 --> 1:40:51
with my own crowd here about the focus on the jab.

2078
1:40:51 --> 1:40:53
I'm sick of the jab, okay?

2079
1:40:53 --> 1:40:55
And psychologically speaking,

2080
1:40:55 --> 1:40:57
by continuing to harp on the jab,

2081
1:40:57 --> 1:40:59
we're kind of hurting ourselves at this point.

2082
1:40:59 --> 1:41:02
We have to just lead by example,

2083
1:41:02 --> 1:41:06
focus now on these more general and very important issues

2084
1:41:06 --> 1:41:09
like illegal migrants, for example,

2085
1:41:09 --> 1:41:13
like these invasions of countries to make them subservient,

2086
1:41:13 --> 1:41:16
that going on in the States, going on in the UK

2087
1:41:16 --> 1:41:18
and other places like that.

2088
1:41:18 --> 1:41:23
I am hopeful that the States will lead the way

2089
1:41:23 --> 1:41:25
and there'll be a turning point

2090
1:41:25 --> 1:41:27
and that we're in for a renaissance,

2091
1:41:27 --> 1:41:30
but that's not gonna come until 2025 and beyond.

2092
1:41:30 --> 1:41:32
I'm very hopeful of that.

2093
1:41:32 --> 1:41:36
And if not, then I'm gonna stand on my fence

2094
1:41:36 --> 1:41:39
and I'm gonna protect myself.

2095
1:41:39 --> 1:41:42
And either way, I'm gonna be, I win.

2096
1:41:42 --> 1:41:43
Either way, I win.

2097
1:41:45 --> 1:41:46
Thank you. Thank you.

2098
1:41:46 --> 1:41:47
And it's gonna come down.

2099
1:41:47 --> 1:41:49
People are gonna have to get out there

2100
1:41:49 --> 1:41:53
and fight for their liberties everywhere, okay?

2101
1:41:53 --> 1:41:54
We've been complacent.

2102
1:41:54 --> 1:41:55
We've been complacent.

2103
1:41:55 --> 1:41:57
We've been lying around, oh yeah, this is great.

2104
1:41:57 --> 1:42:00
We can be, we can do all these different things

2105
1:42:00 --> 1:42:00
and all that.

2106
1:42:00 --> 1:42:02
And then when their liberties are squished,

2107
1:42:02 --> 1:42:04
they don't say a peep.

2108
1:42:04 --> 1:42:06
We've got to fight to keep our liberties

2109
1:42:06 --> 1:42:08
and they're not conferred by government.

2110
1:42:08 --> 1:42:10
They are within us.

2111
1:42:10 --> 1:42:11
They are unalienable.

2112
1:42:11 --> 1:42:16
So would you say that my rationale for creating a stampede,

2113
1:42:19 --> 1:42:21
it doesn't have to be a stampede of fear.

2114
1:42:21 --> 1:42:23
It can be anger, but it would be better

2115
1:42:23 --> 1:42:25
to have a stampede for the exits now

2116
1:42:25 --> 1:42:29
than when the shoot that they're building is complete.

2117
1:42:30 --> 1:42:31
Well, I would just say,

2118
1:42:31 --> 1:42:33
well, I wouldn't go have a stampede for the exits.

2119
1:42:33 --> 1:42:37
I would have a stampede at the ramparts

2120
1:42:37 --> 1:42:39
of anger against these people trying to imprison us.

2121
1:42:39 --> 1:42:42
That's what this stampede has to go.

2122
1:42:42 --> 1:42:44
We may need another protest here in New Zealand

2123
1:42:44 --> 1:42:45
at the parliament.

2124
1:42:45 --> 1:42:47
We may need to bring people together again.

2125
1:42:47 --> 1:42:49
That's the kind of stampede I wanna have.

2126
1:42:49 --> 1:42:50
Where are you gonna go?

2127
1:42:50 --> 1:42:52
Where am I gonna go?

2128
1:42:52 --> 1:42:54
There is no place to go, okay?

2129
1:42:54 --> 1:42:57
Except we hold our ground and we go against.

2130
1:42:57 --> 1:42:58
And the other point too,

2131
1:42:58 --> 1:43:03
is that a lot of touchy-feely people, loving people,

2132
1:43:03 --> 1:43:06
think have an angry thought is a bad thing

2133
1:43:06 --> 1:43:08
or an angry feeling.

2134
1:43:08 --> 1:43:09
I don't agree with that.

2135
1:43:09 --> 1:43:11
No, I don't agree. We have gotta be angry.

2136
1:43:11 --> 1:43:12
We should be angry.

2137
1:43:12 --> 1:43:13
Anger is actually productive.

2138
1:43:13 --> 1:43:17
So let's get angry and let's fight for ourselves.

2139
1:43:17 --> 1:43:18
Yeah. Yeah.

2140
1:43:18 --> 1:43:20
Cause this might not end until we actually drag them out

2141
1:43:20 --> 1:43:24
by the scruffs of their necks and remove them from power.

2142
1:43:24 --> 1:43:25
That's right.

2143
1:43:25 --> 1:43:29
The lack of reaction from populations around the world

2144
1:43:29 --> 1:43:32
is encouraging these bastards.

2145
1:43:32 --> 1:43:35
The fact that men have forgotten how to be men

2146
1:43:35 --> 1:43:38
and don't do anything, it's crazy.

2147
1:43:38 --> 1:43:39
To protect their family.

2148
1:43:39 --> 1:43:41
There's lots of people doing stuff.

2149
1:43:41 --> 1:43:42
There's huge amounts going on.

2150
1:43:42 --> 1:43:43
We just don't know.

2151
1:43:43 --> 1:43:46
And all you have to do is look at telegram groups.

2152
1:43:46 --> 1:43:48
There's one telegram group, Stephen,

2153
1:43:48 --> 1:43:50
in Australia by a guy called Dave O'Neill.

2154
1:43:50 --> 1:43:53
He has 59,000 subscribers.

2155
1:43:53 --> 1:43:55
And you haven't heard of him.

2156
1:43:55 --> 1:43:57
59,000, unheard of.

2157
1:43:57 --> 1:43:58
It's wonderful.

2158
1:43:58 --> 1:44:00
It's wonderful.

2159
1:44:00 --> 1:44:01
And we're just going-

2160
1:44:01 --> 1:44:02
Yeah, but I mean, generally,

2161
1:44:02 --> 1:44:05
generally men are trying to be like women

2162
1:44:05 --> 1:44:08
or at least how women want men to be,

2163
1:44:08 --> 1:44:09
or say they want men to be,

2164
1:44:09 --> 1:44:11
because they don't really want men to be

2165
1:44:11 --> 1:44:12
like they say they want them to be.

2166
1:44:12 --> 1:44:15
So that's what I mean, Charles.

2167
1:44:15 --> 1:44:17
Well, there's lots, there is lots happening

2168
1:44:17 --> 1:44:18
and I'm an optimist.

2169
1:44:18 --> 1:44:20
I'm absolutely, we will win this.

2170
1:44:20 --> 1:44:23
And I remind you all of what Gandhi did in the 40s

2171
1:44:23 --> 1:44:26
through non-violent, non-compliance.

2172
1:44:26 --> 1:44:27
It's all we have to do.

2173
1:44:27 --> 1:44:29
Do not comply.

2174
1:44:29 --> 1:44:30
So-

2175
1:44:30 --> 1:44:31
Well, we don't have to mention violence.

2176
1:44:31 --> 1:44:33
We just need to say that it's okay to be angry,

2177
1:44:33 --> 1:44:35
just as Emmanuel-

2178
1:44:35 --> 1:44:37
Yeah, be angry and don't comply.

2179
1:44:37 --> 1:44:40
People are too reasonable these days.

2180
1:44:40 --> 1:44:41
Too reasonable.

2181
1:44:41 --> 1:44:42
No, they're not.

2182
1:44:42 --> 1:44:42
Not at all.

2183
1:44:42 --> 1:44:43
They're not.

2184
1:44:43 --> 1:44:44
Well, exactly.

2185
1:44:44 --> 1:44:46
They think they're reasonable.

2186
1:44:46 --> 1:44:48
They think they're reasonable.

2187
1:44:48 --> 1:44:48
That's right.

2188
1:44:48 --> 1:44:51
If Theresa says something or Manny says something

2189
1:44:51 --> 1:44:52
or Stephen, you say something,

2190
1:44:52 --> 1:44:53
wipe by your friends.

2191
1:44:53 --> 1:44:55
There's nothing reasonable about that.

2192
1:44:56 --> 1:44:57
Nothing.

2193
1:44:57 --> 1:44:59
All right, thanks Theresa.

2194
1:44:59 --> 1:45:01
Albert, our Eagle Man.

2195
1:45:03 --> 1:45:07
Manny is great to meet you.

2196
1:45:08 --> 1:45:11
Talk about listening well.

2197
1:45:11 --> 1:45:14
Early on, I heard your Philly accent.

2198
1:45:14 --> 1:45:19
It's when you say the word talk, I hear a W in there.

2199
1:45:19 --> 1:45:21
That's Philly.

2200
1:45:21 --> 1:45:22
That's Philly right there.

2201
1:45:24 --> 1:45:28
But anyways, yeah, so I'm the creator

2202
1:45:28 --> 1:45:31
of the verresaware.com, a little website.

2203
1:45:31 --> 1:45:33
I follow the Verres data.

2204
1:45:34 --> 1:45:37
And since this COVID pandemic,

2205
1:45:37 --> 1:45:42
I've met a lot of friends from the New Zealand area

2206
1:45:42 --> 1:45:46
that were using my dashboard well before,

2207
1:45:46 --> 1:45:48
you know, in the beginning.

2208
1:45:48 --> 1:45:51
And since then, I've had a chance to meet

2209
1:45:51 --> 1:45:54
even Barry the whistleblower on a Twitter space

2210
1:45:54 --> 1:45:57
and haven't met Liz Gunn,

2211
1:45:57 --> 1:46:00
but she's retweeted some of my stuff on Twitter.

2212
1:46:02 --> 1:46:06
But it strikes me that, you know,

2213
1:46:06 --> 1:46:09
being you being a psychiatrist and a smart person

2214
1:46:09 --> 1:46:14
and a linguist, the power of words,

2215
1:46:14 --> 1:46:19
I think words are like the most powerful tool we have

2216
1:46:19 --> 1:46:24
and possibly spirituality,

2217
1:46:24 --> 1:46:28
kind of like Jerry Waters was saying,

2218
1:46:28 --> 1:46:31
like he's, you know, he's not afraid

2219
1:46:31 --> 1:46:36
or there's a certain type of warrior that's not afraid.

2220
1:46:37 --> 1:46:42
And I kind of like to think that I'm in that space as well.

2221
1:46:42 --> 1:46:45
I'm not afraid, I haven't been hypnotized

2222
1:46:45 --> 1:46:50
because I think this is like a spiritual war going on,

2223
1:46:50 --> 1:46:52
a spiritual battle.

2224
1:46:52 --> 1:46:57
And, you know, because of my Christian upbringing,

2225
1:46:57 --> 1:47:01
I just really believe that, you know, I believe in heaven,

2226
1:47:01 --> 1:47:03
I believe in God, I believe in Jesus,

2227
1:47:03 --> 1:47:08
I believe that there's something else past, past the world.

2228
1:47:08 --> 1:47:12
And so it's like, I think of it as like,

2229
1:47:12 --> 1:47:14
this is just the world is just like

2230
1:47:14 --> 1:47:16
the first round of the playoffs.

2231
1:47:16 --> 1:47:17
There's something more.

2232
1:47:17 --> 1:47:21
I don't have a death wish, I have a what's next wish.

2233
1:47:21 --> 1:47:24
There's something more.

2234
1:47:24 --> 1:47:29
And I think all of that, it's just kind of kept me calm,

2235
1:47:31 --> 1:47:33
kept me at peace.

2236
1:47:33 --> 1:47:35
And, you know, I just have to,

2237
1:47:35 --> 1:47:40
I just want to reiterate or just say it again,

2238
1:47:40 --> 1:47:42
you know, it said in the Bible,

2239
1:47:42 --> 1:47:45
I think somewhere in there, Jesus said that

2240
1:47:45 --> 1:47:50
we will be able to do greater things than him.

2241
1:47:50 --> 1:47:51
And it's like, what, I mean,

2242
1:47:51 --> 1:47:54
what a good type of father that is.

2243
1:47:54 --> 1:47:59
I mean, all fathers want their kids to be better than them.

2244
1:47:59 --> 1:48:03
You know, so I believe just because he said that,

2245
1:48:03 --> 1:48:04
or it's there in the Bible,

2246
1:48:04 --> 1:48:08
that someday it will be like that here.

2247
1:48:08 --> 1:48:13
Like, I'm sure, it's my belief, I think here on earth,

2248
1:48:13 --> 1:48:17
we've already solved cold fusion and cold fission

2249
1:48:17 --> 1:48:19
and cancer and all that.

2250
1:48:19 --> 1:48:21
They just are keeping it a secret from us.

2251
1:48:21 --> 1:48:23
And-

2252
1:48:23 --> 1:48:25
Oh, Albert, may I make a response to that?

2253
1:48:25 --> 1:48:28
Because I think you brought up something very critical,

2254
1:48:28 --> 1:48:30
which is that I'm fond of saying that

2255
1:48:30 --> 1:48:33
the real world is an idealist nightmare.

2256
1:48:33 --> 1:48:36
And this really goes back to Plato's cave in a way.

2257
1:48:36 --> 1:48:41
But I believe that we have all the technological

2258
1:48:41 --> 1:48:44
and computational power that we need

2259
1:48:44 --> 1:48:48
to make this world a paradise right now.

2260
1:48:48 --> 1:48:51
We don't need any more scientific discoveries.

2261
1:48:51 --> 1:48:55
We don't need any kind of flying, whatever the hell it is,

2262
1:48:55 --> 1:48:56
you know, flying saucers or not.

2263
1:48:56 --> 1:48:59
We have everything that we need to make this world

2264
1:48:59 --> 1:49:02
and we have everything we need.

2265
1:49:02 --> 1:49:05
So what is keeping us from doing that?

2266
1:49:05 --> 1:49:07
What's keeping us from doing that

2267
1:49:07 --> 1:49:11
is something within human nature, human psychology,

2268
1:49:11 --> 1:49:12
and groups.

2269
1:49:12 --> 1:49:17
So that is the most critical problem of the day

2270
1:49:18 --> 1:49:20
when you really think about it.

2271
1:49:20 --> 1:49:21
Okay?

2272
1:49:21 --> 1:49:24
We have the power to make this a paradise.

2273
1:49:24 --> 1:49:25
Why are we not doing it?

2274
1:49:25 --> 1:49:27
Why haven't we done so?

2275
1:49:27 --> 1:49:29
And that's because there's something within us,

2276
1:49:29 --> 1:49:32
within the nature of our institutions

2277
1:49:32 --> 1:49:36
that is allowing some species of evil to prevail

2278
1:49:36 --> 1:49:38
to prevent that.

2279
1:49:38 --> 1:49:39
Right on, Manny.

2280
1:49:39 --> 1:49:40
Well, such a pleasure.

2281
1:49:40 --> 1:49:45
I know that, you know, I'm here in San Jose in California

2282
1:49:45 --> 1:49:47
and we helped build the beast here

2283
1:49:47 --> 1:49:51
and we're gonna help tear down the beast here.

2284
1:49:53 --> 1:49:55
So just keep an eye on me.

2285
1:49:55 --> 1:49:57
They think I'm a little hummingbird,

2286
1:49:58 --> 1:50:00
but really what I am is a great eagle here in Silicon Valley.

2287
1:50:00 --> 1:50:02
God bless you, Manny.

2288
1:50:02 --> 1:50:03
Thank you very much.

2289
1:50:04 --> 1:50:06
Thank you, Albert.

2290
1:50:06 --> 1:50:07
And well done on your work and Jerry,

2291
1:50:07 --> 1:50:11
well done on supporting Albert in that work.

2292
1:50:11 --> 1:50:13
Okay, Alan, where have you gone?

2293
1:50:15 --> 1:50:17
I'm here, thank you.

2294
1:50:17 --> 1:50:18
Manny, wow.

2295
1:50:18 --> 1:50:21
And thank you for everything, everyone.

2296
1:50:21 --> 1:50:24
I'm just gonna give you some context and it is a question.

2297
1:50:25 --> 1:50:30
So I think in many ways we make our own realities.

2298
1:50:30 --> 1:50:31
I believe we do that literally.

2299
1:50:31 --> 1:50:36
I mean, to conscious, unconscious energies,

2300
1:50:36 --> 1:50:38
stuff that if I told you what I really thought about,

2301
1:50:38 --> 1:50:40
what is life and death and everything,

2302
1:50:40 --> 1:50:45
you would think I'm truly crazy, but it works for me.

2303
1:50:46 --> 1:50:51
I think it's very easy to generalize and talk about we,

2304
1:50:51 --> 1:50:55
like all human nature, all of humanity are doing this.

2305
1:50:55 --> 1:51:00
No, I don't believe that it's reasonable to generalize.

2306
1:51:00 --> 1:51:05
Where I am and what I see is just optimism

2307
1:51:05 --> 1:51:08
and we're winning, we're winning everywhere.

2308
1:51:08 --> 1:51:10
Where I am, I'm in Northwest Leicestershire,

2309
1:51:10 --> 1:51:13
I was with Andrew Bridgen on Saturday morning.

2310
1:51:13 --> 1:51:14
I see what is going on.

2311
1:51:14 --> 1:51:17
I see what is going on there.

2312
1:51:17 --> 1:51:19
I see the people supporting.

2313
1:51:20 --> 1:51:23
I'm 66, I'm not afraid of anything.

2314
1:51:23 --> 1:51:25
The context for me, and I think this answers

2315
1:51:25 --> 1:51:29
some of the queries about how people approach this,

2316
1:51:29 --> 1:51:32
is I'm not scared of anything because I came into this

2317
1:51:32 --> 1:51:37
after several years of unrelenting suicidal disintegration.

2318
1:51:37 --> 1:51:41
I came into COVID wanting to die.

2319
1:51:41 --> 1:51:45
That was my context, if you like.

2320
1:51:45 --> 1:51:47
And so it was relatively easy.

2321
1:51:47 --> 1:51:52
I'm not denying that I've been subject to these traumas,

2322
1:51:52 --> 1:51:54
but I'd already had layers and layers

2323
1:51:54 --> 1:51:56
and layers of traumas beforehand.

2324
1:51:56 --> 1:51:58
So it was relatively easy for me,

2325
1:51:58 --> 1:51:59
and I'll come through it now.

2326
1:51:59 --> 1:52:02
And I'm now saying, right, bring it on,

2327
1:52:02 --> 1:52:04
because as far as I'm concerned,

2328
1:52:04 --> 1:52:07
I'm really, really fit and strong, 66.

2329
1:52:07 --> 1:52:11
I'll line up with the farmers and the military veterans

2330
1:52:11 --> 1:52:13
and anybody else, and I've got an ax.

2331
1:52:14 --> 1:52:15
So I don't care.

2332
1:52:15 --> 1:52:18
I really don't believe it's gonna come to that.

2333
1:52:18 --> 1:52:21
I think there is a reason for this.

2334
1:52:21 --> 1:52:24
Humanity is learning some very big lessons,

2335
1:52:24 --> 1:52:27
and I think this is meant to happen in a way.

2336
1:52:27 --> 1:52:32
I'm into the calmer stuff, and by that K-A-R-M-A,

2337
1:52:34 --> 1:52:38
a sort of inevitability to this is meant to happen.

2338
1:52:38 --> 1:52:41
So that is a kind of question.

2339
1:52:42 --> 1:52:46
Please, would you respond to that

2340
1:52:46 --> 1:52:47
and let me know what you think?

2341
1:52:47 --> 1:52:48
Thank you very much.

2342
1:52:48 --> 1:52:49
Thank you, everybody.

2343
1:52:49 --> 1:52:52
This is absolutely wonderful, as ever.

2344
1:52:52 --> 1:52:53
Thank you.

2345
1:52:54 --> 1:52:56
Well, Alan, I think you've answered your own question.

2346
1:52:56 --> 1:52:58
I think you've made an eloquent statement

2347
1:52:58 --> 1:53:02
about what things we're here to be witness

2348
1:53:02 --> 1:53:05
to this great exposure,

2349
1:53:05 --> 1:53:08
and it is a test for us in how we respond.

2350
1:53:08 --> 1:53:12
And the people that I have been in association with

2351
1:53:12 --> 1:53:16
are vibrant, animated, alive.

2352
1:53:16 --> 1:53:18
Yeah, we're bruised and battered,

2353
1:53:18 --> 1:53:21
but these are people who are full of life

2354
1:53:21 --> 1:53:23
and not full of fear,

2355
1:53:23 --> 1:53:26
and I think that's the ticket to all of this.

2356
1:53:26 --> 1:53:27
And I appreciate your sharing.

2357
1:53:27 --> 1:53:30
It's a shame that the COVID was so lethal,

2358
1:53:30 --> 1:53:32
didn't get you, apparently.

2359
1:53:32 --> 1:53:34
I could say, I mean, you know,

2360
1:53:34 --> 1:53:37
that whole myth of the lethality of COVID, honestly.

2361
1:53:39 --> 1:53:44
You know, what's hard for me is the litany of stupidities

2362
1:53:44 --> 1:53:47
that people swallowed all the way along.

2363
1:53:47 --> 1:53:50
I mean, really, it just was endless.

2364
1:53:50 --> 1:53:52
I saw people wiping down things

2365
1:53:52 --> 1:53:55
that they would never have wiped down in a million years

2366
1:53:55 --> 1:53:57
because it was gonna, you know, whatever.

2367
1:53:57 --> 1:53:58
Are you kidding me?

2368
1:53:58 --> 1:54:01
Will you relax a little bit, please?

2369
1:54:01 --> 1:54:02
Yeah, I agree.

2370
1:54:02 --> 1:54:06
But again, I think everybody's making their own realities.

2371
1:54:06 --> 1:54:07
I agree.

2372
1:54:07 --> 1:54:08
Everybody's on their own path,

2373
1:54:08 --> 1:54:11
and we keep coming around again until we learn,

2374
1:54:11 --> 1:54:14
and you know, that's kinda how it is.

2375
1:54:14 --> 1:54:17
And I'm proud to say, listen, I got a kid.

2376
1:54:17 --> 1:54:21
I got a son who has a partner and they have a baby,

2377
1:54:21 --> 1:54:24
and they're both, the baby is completely unjabbed.

2378
1:54:25 --> 1:54:28
And that's because, not because my son listened to me,

2379
1:54:28 --> 1:54:32
but because he started to read and think and listen

2380
1:54:32 --> 1:54:35
and came to his own conclusions with his partner.

2381
1:54:35 --> 1:54:37
And I think that's the best,

2382
1:54:37 --> 1:54:42
and that's a good sign that people have to be independent

2383
1:54:42 --> 1:54:45
and have to come to their own decisions

2384
1:54:45 --> 1:54:48
and not be forced into anything.

2385
1:54:48 --> 1:54:50
Yeah, agreed.

2386
1:54:50 --> 1:54:52
Thank you so much, and everybody else.

2387
1:54:52 --> 1:54:53
Thank you.

2388
1:54:53 --> 1:54:53
Thank you.

2389
1:54:53 --> 1:54:54
Thank you, Alan.

2390
1:54:54 --> 1:54:56
Thank you for your honesty now.

2391
1:54:56 --> 1:54:58
Before we go back to you, Stephen,

2392
1:55:00 --> 1:55:03
one of the things that we all can do,

2393
1:55:03 --> 1:55:05
and people say, let's do stuff.

2394
1:55:05 --> 1:55:07
Well, everyone's doing stuff.

2395
1:55:08 --> 1:55:13
The vision of the law and how it can be used,

2396
1:55:16 --> 1:55:18
there are many, as Warner Mendenhall told us,

2397
1:55:18 --> 1:55:23
there are over 20,000 legal actions happening in America.

2398
1:55:23 --> 1:55:25
We don't know all of them.

2399
1:55:25 --> 1:55:28
I don't know all the legal actions happening in Australia.

2400
1:55:28 --> 1:55:29
Manny, you don't know all the actions happening

2401
1:55:29 --> 1:55:32
in New Zealand.

2402
1:55:32 --> 1:55:37
Now, the value of real estate has risen dramatically

2403
1:55:39 --> 1:55:43
in Australia and many other places over the last four years.

2404
1:55:43 --> 1:55:45
And people say they can't afford to support,

2405
1:55:45 --> 1:55:48
to donate to legal causes.

2406
1:55:48 --> 1:55:51
They can't afford to do this.

2407
1:55:51 --> 1:55:53
And part of our job is to get people

2408
1:55:53 --> 1:55:54
to loosen their purse strings.

2409
1:55:54 --> 1:55:57
The value of their homes has gone up ridiculously.

2410
1:55:57 --> 1:56:00
If there's a Carrington event, as Theresa would tell us,

2411
1:56:00 --> 1:56:02
it's not gonna matter anyway.

2412
1:56:02 --> 1:56:06
Give your money to causes that you support.

2413
1:56:06 --> 1:56:07
Talk to people with money

2414
1:56:07 --> 1:56:10
and get them to loosen their purse strings.

2415
1:56:10 --> 1:56:13
The second issue in terms of the psychopaths, Manny,

2416
1:56:14 --> 1:56:17
the Jacinda Ardern's of this world,

2417
1:56:17 --> 1:56:19
and if you listen to David Icke

2418
1:56:19 --> 1:56:23
and what he says about Ardern and her ilk

2419
1:56:23 --> 1:56:26
is quite instructive.

2420
1:56:26 --> 1:56:29
David Icke has addressed this group some time ago.

2421
1:56:30 --> 1:56:35
We need to put these people on notice.

2422
1:56:35 --> 1:56:38
And secondly, while they're in office,

2423
1:56:38 --> 1:56:40
and secondly, and I'm doing this now

2424
1:56:40 --> 1:56:43
with our premiers in Australia,

2425
1:56:43 --> 1:56:46
every premier in this country has resigned

2426
1:56:48 --> 1:56:51
since they've imposed the COVID rules,

2427
1:56:51 --> 1:56:53
every single one of them.

2428
1:56:53 --> 1:56:57
And what we have to do in this group

2429
1:56:57 --> 1:56:59
and everybody watching this recording

2430
1:56:59 --> 1:57:02
is to literally tell these people

2431
1:57:02 --> 1:57:03
after they've left office,

2432
1:57:03 --> 1:57:08
we know what you did and we will hold you to account.

2433
1:57:09 --> 1:57:11
And the reason why we have to do that,

2434
1:57:11 --> 1:57:13
and we have to mean it seriously,

2435
1:57:13 --> 1:57:15
I'm doing that with Daniel Andrews,

2436
1:57:15 --> 1:57:17
the worst premier in Victoria's history,

2437
1:57:17 --> 1:57:20
is if we track these bastards

2438
1:57:20 --> 1:57:23
now that they're out of office

2439
1:57:23 --> 1:57:25
and then take action against them

2440
1:57:25 --> 1:57:27
for their crimes committed in office,

2441
1:57:27 --> 1:57:29
two things happen.

2442
1:57:29 --> 1:57:32
The people in office now will realise

2443
1:57:32 --> 1:57:36
they can't get away scot-free by getting out of office.

2444
1:57:36 --> 1:57:41
Secondly, if we can prove with sufficient funds

2445
1:57:41 --> 1:57:44
that they committed crimes in office,

2446
1:57:44 --> 1:57:47
they will lose their lifetime retirement benefits.

2447
1:57:48 --> 1:57:51
And in my view, that's one of the important things

2448
1:57:51 --> 1:57:56
that we need to do is to stop giving these bastards

2449
1:57:57 --> 1:58:01
lifetime retirement benefits.

2450
1:58:01 --> 1:58:04
And I want all of us to think about your local politician

2451
1:58:04 --> 1:58:07
who didn't respond to you when they leave,

2452
1:58:07 --> 1:58:10
your local state premier

2453
1:58:10 --> 1:58:12
or whatever you have in your country,

2454
1:58:12 --> 1:58:14
we have to put them on notice

2455
1:58:14 --> 1:58:18
that you cannot get away from your crimes

2456
1:58:18 --> 1:58:20
by resigning from office.

2457
1:58:20 --> 1:58:23
And that's a point of view I wanna put to all of us

2458
1:58:24 --> 1:58:27
and to stop saying there's nothing that we can do.

2459
1:58:27 --> 1:58:29
One of us doing something like that

2460
1:58:29 --> 1:58:31
can cause an enormous tsunami,

2461
1:58:31 --> 1:58:36
just like yesterday's Sky News had the 17 year old kid

2462
1:58:36 --> 1:58:39
who flew in, I think in Indiana, manny,

2463
1:58:39 --> 1:58:44
flew a flag, an American flag on the back of his pickup truck.

2464
1:58:44 --> 1:58:45
He drove to school.

2465
1:58:45 --> 1:58:47
The school said, you're not allowed to have a flag.

2466
1:58:47 --> 1:58:49
He said, get stuffed.

2467
1:58:50 --> 1:58:55
One person tweeted it with 3 million followers and bang,

2468
1:58:55 --> 1:58:57
all of the next day,

2469
1:58:57 --> 1:58:59
a whole bunch of other kids started flying their flag.

2470
1:58:59 --> 1:59:01
That's what one person can do.

2471
1:59:01 --> 1:59:04
So I want us to share that and manny to reinforce

2472
1:59:04 --> 1:59:08
why I'm an optimist like you are and like Stephen is.

2473
1:59:10 --> 1:59:12
So Stephen, over to you.

2474
1:59:20 --> 1:59:23
Stephen, you're muted.

2475
1:59:23 --> 1:59:24
Stephen, you're muted.

2476
1:59:28 --> 1:59:30
Well, actually, Charles, you missed a compliment.

2477
1:59:30 --> 1:59:31
So I said, good speech from you.

2478
1:59:31 --> 1:59:32
So...

2479
1:59:33 --> 1:59:35
I'm Mr. Dragon.

2480
1:59:35 --> 1:59:36
Yeah.

2481
1:59:37 --> 1:59:41
So I said, and you said an optimist,

2482
1:59:41 --> 1:59:45
that I'm an optimist and I said I was an angry optimist,

2483
1:59:45 --> 1:59:46
but I was muted, so sorry about that.

2484
1:59:46 --> 1:59:48
Sorry about that.

2485
1:59:48 --> 1:59:50
Anyway, Emmanuel, I wanted to ask you,

2486
1:59:50 --> 1:59:52
you're a psychiatrist, so this is great.

2487
1:59:53 --> 1:59:55
And a psychoanalyst.

2488
1:59:56 --> 2:00:00
So, oh, by the way, would you recommend a career

2489
2:00:00 --> 2:00:02
as a psychoanalyst or as a counselor?

2490
2:00:02 --> 2:00:05
Because it seems to me that the one thing

2491
2:00:05 --> 2:00:10
that causes immense suffering is some mental illness

2492
2:00:10 --> 2:00:12
or, you know, even if you...

2493
2:00:12 --> 2:00:13
So anxiety, depression,

2494
2:00:13 --> 2:00:16
I don't really think that's an illness.

2495
2:00:16 --> 2:00:21
I think it's, you know, a normal reaction to a crazy world,

2496
2:00:21 --> 2:00:23
or at least it could as part of it.

2497
2:00:23 --> 2:00:27
But anyway, I wanted to ask you about addictions, you know?

2498
2:00:27 --> 2:00:31
And specifically, addiction to mobile phones

2499
2:00:31 --> 2:00:35
and computers and tech generally.

2500
2:00:35 --> 2:00:37
And also social media.

2501
2:00:38 --> 2:00:40
So you've got the twin addictions, as I see.

2502
2:00:40 --> 2:00:42
You've got social media and mobile phones,

2503
2:00:42 --> 2:00:45
and they're both addictions.

2504
2:00:45 --> 2:00:46
If there were any other addictions,

2505
2:00:46 --> 2:00:48
and people were affected to the point

2506
2:00:48 --> 2:00:50
that they are affected these days,

2507
2:00:50 --> 2:00:53
even in North Wales, where I am at the moment,

2508
2:00:54 --> 2:00:57
walking around with their mobile phones, you know,

2509
2:00:57 --> 2:00:59
and bumping into people

2510
2:00:59 --> 2:01:00
because they're looking at their screens.

2511
2:01:00 --> 2:01:02
This is crazy behavior.

2512
2:01:02 --> 2:01:05
If people are addicted to anything else

2513
2:01:05 --> 2:01:08
other than mobile phones, which are so necessary,

2514
2:01:08 --> 2:01:12
and social media, which kind of makes them

2515
2:01:12 --> 2:01:13
extremely conformist,

2516
2:01:13 --> 2:01:17
oh yeah, you've got to do everything on Facebook,

2517
2:01:17 --> 2:01:19
you know, your morning chores,

2518
2:01:19 --> 2:01:21
go through all your friends.

2519
2:01:22 --> 2:01:24
You see, nothing, you know, what's happened, Stephen,

2520
2:01:24 --> 2:01:27
is that nothing now ever occurs

2521
2:01:27 --> 2:01:29
unless you post it on someplace

2522
2:01:29 --> 2:01:31
to show people that it's occurred.

2523
2:01:31 --> 2:01:31
Exactly.

2524
2:01:31 --> 2:01:34
So I just can't, I can't go to the beach and have a swim.

2525
2:01:34 --> 2:01:35
It doesn't count.

2526
2:01:35 --> 2:01:39
I've got to make sure that I get a picture of myself

2527
2:01:39 --> 2:01:41
coming out of the waves, and I send it to everybody.

2528
2:01:41 --> 2:01:43
I mean, it's ridiculous.

2529
2:01:43 --> 2:01:44
There's no easy answer to this

2530
2:01:44 --> 2:01:47
because they're not gonna go away anytime soon.

2531
2:01:47 --> 2:01:51
But it is having an addictive effect on people.

2532
2:01:51 --> 2:01:54
It's changing their chemistry in some way

2533
2:01:54 --> 2:01:55
because they're always looking at something,

2534
2:01:55 --> 2:01:57
you're always checking something,

2535
2:01:57 --> 2:01:58
you always want to get from something,

2536
2:01:58 --> 2:01:59
you want to make the news.

2537
2:01:59 --> 2:02:01
You can't enjoy the moment.

2538
2:02:01 --> 2:02:02
You can enjoy the moment,

2539
2:02:04 --> 2:02:05
but we have to live with it.

2540
2:02:05 --> 2:02:10
I just think it's important for us individually

2541
2:02:10 --> 2:02:13
to get away from it, go and do our things,

2542
2:02:13 --> 2:02:15
be with people, be with people,

2543
2:02:15 --> 2:02:19
or be by yourself in nature and take your walks

2544
2:02:19 --> 2:02:21
and leave the phone home.

2545
2:02:21 --> 2:02:23
Don't take it with you.

2546
2:02:23 --> 2:02:25
But then you can find so-called friends

2547
2:02:25 --> 2:02:27
who are saying to you,

2548
2:02:27 --> 2:02:29
why didn't you answer my text?

2549
2:02:29 --> 2:02:30
Well, because I left my phone.

2550
2:02:30 --> 2:02:31
I've left my phone.

2551
2:02:31 --> 2:02:33
Steven, let me tell you something.

2552
2:02:33 --> 2:02:37
Listen, when I first became an intern or medical, whatever,

2553
2:02:37 --> 2:02:40
I think it was, pick me an intern, we got beepers, okay?

2554
2:02:40 --> 2:02:41
And we thought that was the coolest thing,

2555
2:02:41 --> 2:02:45
to get a beeper, because you were important.

2556
2:02:45 --> 2:02:47
Somebody would call you and you'd have to answer

2557
2:02:47 --> 2:02:50
as a doctor, young doctor, boom.

2558
2:02:50 --> 2:02:51
There was a sign of importance.

2559
2:02:51 --> 2:02:54
Well, a week later, after you got beeped 5,000 times,

2560
2:02:54 --> 2:02:56
it lost its glamour.

2561
2:02:56 --> 2:02:59
And then not long after that, the drug dealers had beepers

2562
2:02:59 --> 2:03:03
and everybody's got a beeper in their phone, as it were.

2563
2:03:03 --> 2:03:07
And so everybody's on call all the time.

2564
2:03:07 --> 2:03:08
For what?

2565
2:03:08 --> 2:03:11
We're on call all the time, really.

2566
2:03:11 --> 2:03:13
So they're hyper alert.

2567
2:03:13 --> 2:03:16
They're hyper alert or hyper vigilant, as they called.

2568
2:03:16 --> 2:03:18
Yeah, yeah.

2569
2:03:18 --> 2:03:19
That's a picture in person.

2570
2:03:19 --> 2:03:23
I had a young kid say to me, this young teenager say,

2571
2:03:23 --> 2:03:26
that the good thing about the texting is that,

2572
2:03:26 --> 2:03:27
if you're texting with a boy,

2573
2:03:27 --> 2:03:29
then you don't know when he's gonna answer,

2574
2:03:29 --> 2:03:30
what is he gonna say.

2575
2:03:30 --> 2:03:35
So you're on this kind of anticipatory tension

2576
2:03:35 --> 2:03:38
during this virtual courtship,

2577
2:03:38 --> 2:03:41
where you're always looking forward to the next message.

2578
2:03:41 --> 2:03:44
It's a peculiar thing.

2579
2:03:45 --> 2:03:46
People call me.

2580
2:03:46 --> 2:03:48
But I'm not on Facebook.

2581
2:03:48 --> 2:03:49
I am not on Facebook.

2582
2:03:49 --> 2:03:52
I'm on Substack, if you call that a social media.

2583
2:03:52 --> 2:03:53
I'm not on Facebook.

2584
2:03:55 --> 2:03:57
I'm on a signal group, but that drives me crazy

2585
2:03:57 --> 2:04:00
because there are too many messages and too many things.

2586
2:04:00 --> 2:04:03
And so I know my limits.

2587
2:04:03 --> 2:04:05
I have to keep myself contained

2588
2:04:05 --> 2:04:07
and keep myself insulated from these things.

2589
2:04:08 --> 2:04:10
Yeah, exactly.

2590
2:04:10 --> 2:04:13
So I noticed in your bio, Emmanuel,

2591
2:04:13 --> 2:04:17
that you are an expert, I think it said,

2592
2:04:17 --> 2:04:20
on the psychology of music, classical music.

2593
2:04:20 --> 2:04:20
Is that right?

2594
2:04:20 --> 2:04:23
Mahler and Wagner.

2595
2:04:23 --> 2:04:25
Well, I've written a number of papers.

2596
2:04:27 --> 2:04:28
Who's an expert?

2597
2:04:29 --> 2:04:32
One of the things I did in my career was,

2598
2:04:32 --> 2:04:34
I was the psychiatric consultant

2599
2:04:34 --> 2:04:38
for a very famous conservatory of music in Philadelphia.

2600
2:04:38 --> 2:04:39
And I was sort of the,

2601
2:04:39 --> 2:04:42
I developed health education seminars,

2602
2:04:42 --> 2:04:44
injury prevention seminars.

2603
2:04:44 --> 2:04:48
I saw students individually for psychotherapy.

2604
2:04:48 --> 2:04:50
I had meetings with teachers

2605
2:04:50 --> 2:04:53
and the administrative staff and all that.

2606
2:04:53 --> 2:04:55
And it was a wonderful, wonderful experience.

2607
2:04:55 --> 2:04:58
And it was a great institution.

2608
2:04:58 --> 2:05:01
A lot of their graduates are very famous musicians

2609
2:05:01 --> 2:05:02
around the world.

2610
2:05:02 --> 2:05:06
And I have always had a great interest in music.

2611
2:05:06 --> 2:05:08
And part of my research as an analyst

2612
2:05:08 --> 2:05:11
was into the psychology of creativity.

2613
2:05:11 --> 2:05:13
So I wrote a number of papers on Mahler

2614
2:05:13 --> 2:05:16
and Rachmaninoff and Scriabin and whatnot.

2615
2:05:18 --> 2:05:20
So what can you tell us about Mahler then?

2616
2:05:22 --> 2:05:25
Oh, it's too long for a group like this.

2617
2:05:25 --> 2:05:27
Mahler was a fascinating individual.

2618
2:05:27 --> 2:05:29
He consulted with Freud and Leiden

2619
2:05:30 --> 2:05:33
at a very critical time of his life

2620
2:05:33 --> 2:05:37
when his wife, he discovered his wife was having an affair.

2621
2:05:37 --> 2:05:40
And after that consultation,

2622
2:05:40 --> 2:05:44
he kind of went from living in this miserable,

2623
2:05:44 --> 2:05:47
creative tension all the time to sort of accepting

2624
2:05:47 --> 2:05:51
some of the joys and pleasures of life and his wife.

2625
2:05:51 --> 2:05:53
And then, but dying shortly thereafter

2626
2:05:53 --> 2:05:55
as if his creative demon had been extinguished

2627
2:05:55 --> 2:05:58
by the acceptance of pleasure.

2628
2:05:58 --> 2:06:00
Yeah. Kind of complicated, but.

2629
2:06:01 --> 2:06:02
I understand.

2630
2:06:02 --> 2:06:03
Emmanuel, could I ask you,

2631
2:06:03 --> 2:06:05
so I know everyone on this group

2632
2:06:05 --> 2:06:08
is interested in classical music, but I am anyway.

2633
2:06:08 --> 2:06:12
So I don't know whether you know the book,

2634
2:06:12 --> 2:06:13
Conquest of Happiness,

2635
2:06:13 --> 2:06:15
The Conquest of Happiness by Bertrand Russell.

2636
2:06:16 --> 2:06:17
Oh, I've heard of it.

2637
2:06:17 --> 2:06:18
I haven't read it though.

2638
2:06:18 --> 2:06:19
Yeah, I've heard of it, yeah.

2639
2:06:19 --> 2:06:21
You should, well, I think you should read it,

2640
2:06:21 --> 2:06:23
but maybe you know it all already.

2641
2:06:23 --> 2:06:26
So what Bertrand Russell do is very, very logical,

2642
2:06:27 --> 2:06:31
but maybe it's the illogicality of human beings,

2643
2:06:31 --> 2:06:35
you know, the instincts which make human beings

2644
2:06:35 --> 2:06:36
good and powerful, you know,

2645
2:06:36 --> 2:06:39
like people we want to be friends with.

2646
2:06:39 --> 2:06:42
But anyway, Conquest of Happiness,

2647
2:06:42 --> 2:06:47
Bertrand Russell goes through the causes of happiness

2648
2:06:47 --> 2:06:51
and the causes of unhappiness, sorry, first,

2649
2:06:51 --> 2:06:53
then the causes of happiness,

2650
2:06:53 --> 2:06:57
and then he has a chapter called The Happy Man.

2651
2:06:57 --> 2:06:59
So, and it's very interesting to read.

2652
2:06:59 --> 2:07:01
Nobody knows about this book.

2653
2:07:01 --> 2:07:04
He wrote about a hundred books, Bertrand Russell,

2654
2:07:04 --> 2:07:08
so he's a victim in his own prolific writings.

2655
2:07:09 --> 2:07:12
And so this book I've known for about,

2656
2:07:12 --> 2:07:14
I can't remember how I came across it,

2657
2:07:14 --> 2:07:17
but I've known it since I was like 20.

2658
2:07:17 --> 2:07:21
And I've read it many times.

2659
2:07:21 --> 2:07:23
Sometimes I read a chapter here and there

2660
2:07:24 --> 2:07:26
to remind me, to get me back on track.

2661
2:07:26 --> 2:07:28
But anyway, everyone wants to be happy.

2662
2:07:29 --> 2:07:33
And Bertrand Russell makes the interesting observation.

2663
2:07:33 --> 2:07:35
He said, animals seem to be happy.

2664
2:07:36 --> 2:07:38
Why aren't humans happy?

2665
2:07:38 --> 2:07:40
So, but that's just one thing.

2666
2:07:40 --> 2:07:43
So I just wondered whether you as a psychoanalyst

2667
2:07:43 --> 2:07:46
and a psychiatrist have insights

2668
2:07:46 --> 2:07:49
on how we can all become happy on this group

2669
2:07:49 --> 2:07:52
and the people watching the videos afterwards.

2670
2:07:54 --> 2:07:57
Well, I have two remarks to make.

2671
2:07:57 --> 2:08:00
One, I don't know if I want to conquer happiness.

2672
2:08:00 --> 2:08:02
I want to be happy, I guess.

2673
2:08:03 --> 2:08:05
I don't see happiness something to be conquered.

2674
2:08:05 --> 2:08:08
But is happiness necessary?

2675
2:08:08 --> 2:08:10
I think it's necessary to live,

2676
2:08:10 --> 2:08:14
necessary to do what you feel is right and good.

2677
2:08:14 --> 2:08:17
And if happiness comes from that,

2678
2:08:17 --> 2:08:19
then you're thrice blessed.

2679
2:08:19 --> 2:08:22
And if not, you continue to do what you need to do.

2680
2:08:24 --> 2:08:26
So I think from doing the right thing,

2681
2:08:28 --> 2:08:30
this last four years, I've really thought about this.

2682
2:08:30 --> 2:08:31
From doing the right thing,

2683
2:08:31 --> 2:08:36
there's a good chance that you'll create the conditions

2684
2:08:36 --> 2:08:38
which will cause you to be happy.

2685
2:08:38 --> 2:08:41
But that's not the reason why you do the good things,

2686
2:08:41 --> 2:08:42
in my opinion.

2687
2:08:42 --> 2:08:43
It should be all truistic.

2688
2:08:43 --> 2:08:47
And then with doing the right thing,

2689
2:08:47 --> 2:08:50
then you, or vaguely the right thing,

2690
2:08:50 --> 2:08:55
in the sense of promoting human beings,

2691
2:08:55 --> 2:08:57
what makes them special,

2692
2:08:57 --> 2:09:00
and criticizing any anti-human agendas.

2693
2:09:00 --> 2:09:02
There are lots of them at the moment.

2694
2:09:02 --> 2:09:05
And so you don't...

2695
2:09:05 --> 2:09:06
So one of the things he says

2696
2:09:06 --> 2:09:09
is a great cause of unhappiness is envy.

2697
2:09:09 --> 2:09:10
I agree.

2698
2:09:10 --> 2:09:11
It really is.

2699
2:09:11 --> 2:09:13
It really eats me up.

2700
2:09:13 --> 2:09:14
Yeah, yeah.

2701
2:09:14 --> 2:09:15
Yeah, that's a waste of time, isn't it?

2702
2:09:15 --> 2:09:17
Envy, I mean, my gosh.

2703
2:09:17 --> 2:09:18
Just there's so much...

2704
2:09:19 --> 2:09:21
Listen, a lot of people are living in misery

2705
2:09:21 --> 2:09:23
and in terrible conditions.

2706
2:09:23 --> 2:09:25
And we have to understand that.

2707
2:09:25 --> 2:09:27
And they're fighting for a daily life.

2708
2:09:27 --> 2:09:30
They're fighting to eat, fighting to make a living.

2709
2:09:30 --> 2:09:31
And these are terrible things.

2710
2:09:31 --> 2:09:32
People are living in war right now,

2711
2:09:32 --> 2:09:34
as we know in various places in the world.

2712
2:09:34 --> 2:09:36
These are terrible things.

2713
2:09:37 --> 2:09:41
We who are fortunate enough not to be in those situations

2714
2:09:42 --> 2:09:45
just need to appreciate the pleasures,

2715
2:09:45 --> 2:09:48
the treasures around us of the natural world

2716
2:09:48 --> 2:09:50
and of our fellow human beings.

2717
2:09:51 --> 2:09:56
And good works, good works, doing something good

2718
2:09:56 --> 2:09:59
always makes me feel good if I do something good.

2719
2:10:00 --> 2:10:03
And relax and stop planning.

2720
2:10:03 --> 2:10:06
Everybody's planning for the next month

2721
2:10:06 --> 2:10:08
and the next week and the next day.

2722
2:10:08 --> 2:10:10
They can't enjoy the moment.

2723
2:10:10 --> 2:10:12
No, there really is something to this idea of this Zen idea

2724
2:10:12 --> 2:10:15
of really immersing oneself in the moment.

2725
2:10:15 --> 2:10:18
This gets back to my psychoanalytic work.

2726
2:10:18 --> 2:10:21
All I could do in that moment, quote unquote,

2727
2:10:21 --> 2:10:25
of that patient hour was to absorb and listen

2728
2:10:25 --> 2:10:26
and to be in a different zone

2729
2:10:26 --> 2:10:30
so I could really comprehend what was being communicated.

2730
2:10:30 --> 2:10:32
And that has been, I mean,

2731
2:10:32 --> 2:10:35
it's a wonderful experience to do that.

2732
2:10:35 --> 2:10:37
So I'll give you some advice.

2733
2:10:37 --> 2:10:39
I'm not in the advice business, by the way,

2734
2:10:39 --> 2:10:40
but I'm gonna give you some advice.

2735
2:10:40 --> 2:10:42
So I contrast myself.

2736
2:10:42 --> 2:10:46
My advice is when you're with another person,

2737
2:10:46 --> 2:10:49
devote yourself completely and utterly

2738
2:10:49 --> 2:10:51
to absorbing that person.

2739
2:10:53 --> 2:10:54
How many times, I'm with people,

2740
2:10:54 --> 2:10:56
I can't even get a word out edgewise

2741
2:10:56 --> 2:10:58
and they start questioning me, asking me, interrupting me.

2742
2:10:58 --> 2:11:02
It's like, geez, let me finish my sentence.

2743
2:11:02 --> 2:11:05
People don't even let each other finish their sentences.

2744
2:11:05 --> 2:11:09
Sit with a person and just sit and just listen.

2745
2:11:10 --> 2:11:12
That's the joy of life, actually.

2746
2:11:13 --> 2:11:15
Yeah, so one of the things I've noticed

2747
2:11:17 --> 2:11:21
is that the people that you really like to be,

2748
2:11:21 --> 2:11:24
the people that I really like to be with

2749
2:11:24 --> 2:11:27
are somehow very invested in you when they're talking to you.

2750
2:11:27 --> 2:11:32
So you feel as if you're the only person in the world

2751
2:11:32 --> 2:11:34
when they are talking to you.

2752
2:11:34 --> 2:11:36
Those people are, I think it's a gift.

2753
2:11:37 --> 2:11:42
And yeah, I think you're right

2754
2:11:42 --> 2:11:46
that if you treasure every moment,

2755
2:11:46 --> 2:11:49
but people are so dissatisfied with themselves

2756
2:11:49 --> 2:11:52
and with their lives, they think everybody's got,

2757
2:11:52 --> 2:11:53
and particularly with social media,

2758
2:11:53 --> 2:11:55
they think everybody's got a better life than they have.

2759
2:11:55 --> 2:11:57
It's not true.

2760
2:11:57 --> 2:11:59
If you think you can be a human being

2761
2:11:59 --> 2:12:00
and go through the whole of your life

2762
2:12:00 --> 2:12:03
without any problems at all, it doesn't happen.

2763
2:12:03 --> 2:12:06
And people should stop feeling sorry for themselves

2764
2:12:06 --> 2:12:07
and just fight to get through

2765
2:12:07 --> 2:12:09
to the other side of all the problems.

2766
2:12:09 --> 2:12:11
Yeah, that's a good point.

2767
2:12:11 --> 2:12:13
Stephen, I had a conversation with my son last night

2768
2:12:13 --> 2:12:15
and he talked about, we talked about this issue

2769
2:12:15 --> 2:12:16
of victimhood.

2770
2:12:16 --> 2:12:19
And when I grew up,

2771
2:12:19 --> 2:12:22
I had no idea that I was disadvantaged in any way.

2772
2:12:24 --> 2:12:25
And it was only later when people said,

2773
2:12:25 --> 2:12:28
oh, but your father didn't do this or wasn't this,

2774
2:12:28 --> 2:12:32
or your parent was like, I just did my thing.

2775
2:12:32 --> 2:12:35
I had no idea that I had all these handicaps in my life.

2776
2:12:35 --> 2:12:38
I mean, really, they weren't handicaps.

2777
2:12:38 --> 2:12:40
We make our own handicaps.

2778
2:12:40 --> 2:12:42
If we think of ourselves in this way,

2779
2:12:42 --> 2:12:44
and we're always measuring

2780
2:12:44 --> 2:12:46
and comparing ourselves with everything.

2781
2:12:46 --> 2:12:48
Yeah, so it's really self-destructive.

2782
2:12:48 --> 2:12:50
It's just nonsense, I think.

2783
2:12:50 --> 2:12:51
So that's very important.

2784
2:12:51 --> 2:12:52
I think a lot of that goes on.

2785
2:12:52 --> 2:12:56
So they're kind of looking at the social media,

2786
2:12:56 --> 2:12:57
people are always thinking,

2787
2:12:57 --> 2:12:58
well, first of all,

2788
2:12:58 --> 2:13:02
all the selfies are the perfect conditions,

2789
2:13:02 --> 2:13:04
and everybody's at their best,

2790
2:13:04 --> 2:13:06
and it doesn't get onto the social media

2791
2:13:06 --> 2:13:10
unless it's approved by the person who's taken it.

2792
2:13:10 --> 2:13:13
So obviously you're looking at this unreal world,

2793
2:13:13 --> 2:13:15
and it's very easy, especially for young people,

2794
2:13:15 --> 2:13:19
to kind of fall into this dissatisfaction with themselves,

2795
2:13:19 --> 2:13:23
which itself, in itself is anti-human

2796
2:13:23 --> 2:13:26
because they don't make the best of themselves

2797
2:13:26 --> 2:13:29
because they give up before they've even started life.

2798
2:13:29 --> 2:13:31
They're not happy with themselves.

2799
2:13:31 --> 2:13:33
They start criticizing themselves.

2800
2:13:33 --> 2:13:36
And then the whole propaganda is,

2801
2:13:36 --> 2:13:38
oh, you're not a good father,

2802
2:13:38 --> 2:13:40
you're not a good mother or whatever, you know.

2803
2:13:40 --> 2:13:43
And so everybody, and people take that to heart,

2804
2:13:43 --> 2:13:44
and they get disheartened.

2805
2:13:44 --> 2:13:47
People need hope, and they need encouragement,

2806
2:13:47 --> 2:13:49
and that needs to be emphasized.

2807
2:13:49 --> 2:13:51
So I think we need to do,

2808
2:13:51 --> 2:13:56
you need to create a curriculum for school children

2809
2:13:56 --> 2:13:59
on how to think in a healthy way.

2810
2:13:59 --> 2:14:01
Steven, they don't need hope, they need hemp.

2811
2:14:04 --> 2:14:05
No, I said hope.

2812
2:14:05 --> 2:14:06
I know.

2813
2:14:06 --> 2:14:07
Charles.

2814
2:14:07 --> 2:14:08
Oh yeah, I know you're joking, yeah.

2815
2:14:10 --> 2:14:13
I was gaslighting you, Charles, for joking.

2816
2:14:14 --> 2:14:15
Too smart for me.

2817
2:14:16 --> 2:14:18
No, no, no.

2818
2:14:18 --> 2:14:20
It's just luck, if I get it right.

2819
2:14:22 --> 2:14:25
So anyway, what was I gonna say?

2820
2:14:25 --> 2:14:26
Oh yeah.

2821
2:14:26 --> 2:14:29
A course, a course for many to do a course.

2822
2:14:29 --> 2:14:32
Emmanuel, I'm asking you all these broad questions.

2823
2:14:32 --> 2:14:34
I couldn't answer them myself, but I wanna ask you,

2824
2:14:34 --> 2:14:36
can you tell us what you know about cults?

2825
2:14:37 --> 2:14:40
And was, you know Lord of the Flies, William Golding,

2826
2:14:40 --> 2:14:41
was that a cult?

2827
2:14:41 --> 2:14:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of a cult, yeah, of course.

2828
2:14:45 --> 2:14:46
I think cults are really groups.

2829
2:14:46 --> 2:14:49
Groups, it's part of group psychology.

2830
2:14:49 --> 2:14:51
A lot of people have written about group psychology,

2831
2:14:51 --> 2:14:54
including Freud and many others.

2832
2:14:54 --> 2:14:59
And cults are just more of a more intense specialized version

2833
2:15:00 --> 2:15:02
of a particular group.

2834
2:15:02 --> 2:15:05
But we had a Covidian cult here in New Zealand.

2835
2:15:05 --> 2:15:06
It was a big one.

2836
2:15:07 --> 2:15:09
Really, okay?

2837
2:15:09 --> 2:15:10
And we have different religious cults.

2838
2:15:10 --> 2:15:13
I know I've treated one or two people who've been in cults

2839
2:15:13 --> 2:15:14
and have gotten out of them.

2840
2:15:14 --> 2:15:19
And you know, they are for various reasons

2841
2:15:20 --> 2:15:22
in positions of relative weakness,

2842
2:15:22 --> 2:15:25
and the cult provides strength and identity

2843
2:15:25 --> 2:15:28
and purpose and meaning.

2844
2:15:28 --> 2:15:31
And that becomes the impetus to be part of that

2845
2:15:31 --> 2:15:36
and to then take action as a member of a cult.

2846
2:15:38 --> 2:15:40
In whatever way the cult decides.

2847
2:15:40 --> 2:15:41
I mean, one of the things in New Zealand,

2848
2:15:41 --> 2:15:43
one of the things in New Zealand was,

2849
2:15:43 --> 2:15:47
this is an important thing, was we were all in it together.

2850
2:15:47 --> 2:15:48
This is the message we got.

2851
2:15:48 --> 2:15:52
We're all in it together by staying apart, by the way.

2852
2:15:52 --> 2:15:53
We're all in it together by being locked away

2853
2:15:53 --> 2:15:55
and locked down and staying apart.

2854
2:15:55 --> 2:15:58
It was a ridiculous, absurd, ironic message,

2855
2:15:58 --> 2:16:03
but it was bought, it was bought by these people

2856
2:16:03 --> 2:16:05
in this kind of cult.

2857
2:16:05 --> 2:16:06
So they had meaning.

2858
2:16:06 --> 2:16:08
We are helping each other.

2859
2:16:08 --> 2:16:10
We're helping each other by imposing these restrictions

2860
2:16:10 --> 2:16:13
on our liberties and not seeing each other

2861
2:16:13 --> 2:16:14
and all that other stuff.

2862
2:16:15 --> 2:16:17
Sure.

2863
2:16:17 --> 2:16:19
So I think that the attraction of cults,

2864
2:16:19 --> 2:16:24
so I think that human beings have a predilection for cults.

2865
2:16:24 --> 2:16:27
And the reason they have it is because actually,

2866
2:16:27 --> 2:16:29
if they're a member of the cult, guess what?

2867
2:16:29 --> 2:16:31
They don't have to take responsibility.

2868
2:16:31 --> 2:16:34
And that's perfect for most human beings

2869
2:16:34 --> 2:16:36
because they don't like taking responsibility

2870
2:16:36 --> 2:16:41
because they find it a bit scary

2871
2:16:41 --> 2:16:44
or they are lazy or whatever.

2872
2:16:44 --> 2:16:45
They don't want to take responsibility.

2873
2:16:45 --> 2:16:49
And I'm talking about like 95% of people.

2874
2:16:50 --> 2:16:54
Even when their own family needs help,

2875
2:16:54 --> 2:16:57
they don't take the responsibility that they should.

2876
2:16:57 --> 2:16:58
They don't really think about

2877
2:16:58 --> 2:17:01
what their next action should be.

2878
2:17:01 --> 2:17:01
And then they have to-

2879
2:17:02 --> 2:17:03
You know what?

2880
2:17:03 --> 2:17:06
Again, let me go back to Plato in the ancient Greeks.

2881
2:17:06 --> 2:17:07
Now, the ancient Greeks weren't perfect.

2882
2:17:07 --> 2:17:10
They were warmongering, crazy people in their own way.

2883
2:17:10 --> 2:17:15
But the idea of philosophy was to examine life

2884
2:17:16 --> 2:17:19
in a way that you could live fully.

2885
2:17:19 --> 2:17:23
And that meant taking full responsibility about things.

2886
2:17:23 --> 2:17:25
And in re-reading Plato, one gets the sense,

2887
2:17:25 --> 2:17:30
these were very, I think people were actually smarter then.

2888
2:17:30 --> 2:17:31
I hate to say it.

2889
2:17:31 --> 2:17:34
I think they were very, very smart

2890
2:17:34 --> 2:17:37
in the midst of their low technology.

2891
2:17:37 --> 2:17:38
We think technology means we're smart.

2892
2:17:38 --> 2:17:39
It doesn't.

2893
2:17:39 --> 2:17:40
It doesn't, no.

2894
2:17:40 --> 2:17:43
But they're examining their life

2895
2:17:43 --> 2:17:46
in a way that wasn't self-indulgent,

2896
2:17:46 --> 2:17:49
but it was geared towards living fully.

2897
2:17:49 --> 2:17:51
And it's a very beautiful thing when you think of it.

2898
2:17:51 --> 2:17:55
But people are not taught about autonomy in schools.

2899
2:17:55 --> 2:17:58
Schools are exercise and submission.

2900
2:17:58 --> 2:18:00
Do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that.

2901
2:18:01 --> 2:18:04
I'll give you one example that completely shocked me.

2902
2:18:04 --> 2:18:08
I asked a very lovely young teenage girl here

2903
2:18:08 --> 2:18:11
as a friend of a, daughter of a friend of mine, musician,

2904
2:18:11 --> 2:18:14
what she was reading in her, in school,

2905
2:18:14 --> 2:18:17
which novels she was reading in her last year of school.

2906
2:18:17 --> 2:18:20
She said, oh, well, we don't really read novels,

2907
2:18:20 --> 2:18:21
whole books like that.

2908
2:18:21 --> 2:18:23
We just read excerpts.

2909
2:18:23 --> 2:18:24
Wow.

2910
2:18:24 --> 2:18:25
And I said, are you kidding me?

2911
2:18:25 --> 2:18:28
This is a private girl's school in Wellington.

2912
2:18:28 --> 2:18:30
I said, you gotta be kidding me.

2913
2:18:30 --> 2:18:32
She's not kidding me.

2914
2:18:32 --> 2:18:35
Okay, the educational stuff, the educational system

2915
2:18:35 --> 2:18:39
is really dumbing people down.

2916
2:18:39 --> 2:18:41
And at a time when they would be hungry

2917
2:18:41 --> 2:18:45
for reading books or adventures of discovery

2918
2:18:45 --> 2:18:48
and self-discovery, they're reading excerpts

2919
2:18:48 --> 2:18:50
of this here and there, it was appalling.

2920
2:18:50 --> 2:18:53
Anyway, I gave her a few books and she's read them.

2921
2:18:53 --> 2:18:54
She's a social kid.

2922
2:18:54 --> 2:18:56
Three or four minutes left.

2923
2:18:56 --> 2:18:59
And on that point, Manny, I spoke to someone yesterday

2924
2:18:59 --> 2:19:03
from one of Australia's top secondary schools.

2925
2:19:03 --> 2:19:06
And that issue is happening, Stephen, in Australia,

2926
2:19:06 --> 2:19:10
where these top schools are pressured by government.

2927
2:19:10 --> 2:19:13
And because these top schools have alumni,

2928
2:19:13 --> 2:19:16
old boys, old girls who are in government

2929
2:19:16 --> 2:19:20
pushing the narrative, the parents are pissed off about it,

2930
2:19:20 --> 2:19:23
but anyone who speaks up against the woke transgender,

2931
2:19:23 --> 2:19:28
politically correct agenda at the schools

2932
2:19:28 --> 2:19:32
are ostracised and pressured by the school council

2933
2:19:32 --> 2:19:33
to shut up or get out.

2934
2:19:37 --> 2:19:38
Yeah.

2935
2:19:38 --> 2:19:43
So they don't want autonomous human beings, do they?

2936
2:19:43 --> 2:19:47
Partly because the teacher doesn't even use the word

2937
2:19:47 --> 2:19:51
autonomous, but it's a very important word, actually,

2938
2:19:51 --> 2:19:54
because if we had autonomous doctors,

2939
2:19:54 --> 2:19:57
if we had had in the last four years,

2940
2:19:57 --> 2:20:00
instead of all this evidence-based medicine

2941
2:20:00 --> 2:20:04
and the predilection for protocols and guidelines,

2942
2:20:07 --> 2:20:08
then we wouldn't have had a problem.

2943
2:20:08 --> 2:20:10
But no, we had protocols and guidelines

2944
2:20:10 --> 2:20:11
and evidence-based medicine,

2945
2:20:11 --> 2:20:14
and we didn't have autonomous doctors,

2946
2:20:14 --> 2:20:17
although I thought that we did.

2947
2:20:17 --> 2:20:19
And I was very surprised when they turned out

2948
2:20:19 --> 2:20:23
to be completely lacking in autonomy.

2949
2:20:23 --> 2:20:26
So what happened to informed consent

2950
2:20:26 --> 2:20:29
within the evidence-based medicine framework, Stephen?

2951
2:20:29 --> 2:20:32
Yeah, that seems to have been an exception.

2952
2:20:32 --> 2:20:33
Very interesting, isn't it?

2953
2:20:33 --> 2:20:35
Very, yeah.

2954
2:20:35 --> 2:20:37
So there was no possibility, Emmanuel,

2955
2:20:37 --> 2:20:40
I realised straight away, there was no possibility

2956
2:20:40 --> 2:20:43
that informed consent could be obtained

2957
2:20:43 --> 2:20:45
by any human being in the world,

2958
2:20:45 --> 2:20:46
because guess what?

2959
2:20:46 --> 2:20:50
Not a single doctor in the world knew what was in the shots.

2960
2:20:50 --> 2:20:53
So he couldn't explain, he couldn't give the information

2961
2:20:53 --> 2:20:56
to the patients, his patients.

2962
2:20:56 --> 2:20:59
But of course, the doctors weren't even doing the,

2963
2:20:59 --> 2:21:01
well, some of them were actually,

2964
2:21:01 --> 2:21:03
weren't even doing the vaccinations,

2965
2:21:03 --> 2:21:05
they were getting hairdressers.

2966
2:21:05 --> 2:21:08
They took that, exactly, they took it away from doctors.

2967
2:21:08 --> 2:21:10
But you couldn't, you can inform people by saying,

2968
2:21:10 --> 2:21:13
listen, this is something new,

2969
2:21:13 --> 2:21:15
it has not been tested adequately,

2970
2:21:15 --> 2:21:16
it has not had the test of years,

2971
2:21:16 --> 2:21:18
which would normally take any medicine

2972
2:21:18 --> 2:21:20
or intervention to be developed.

2973
2:21:20 --> 2:21:22
We don't know what may happen.

2974
2:21:22 --> 2:21:25
I mean, honestly, but again,

2975
2:21:27 --> 2:21:29
I'm so sick of talking about the jab.

2976
2:21:29 --> 2:21:32
The jab was never necessary.

2977
2:21:32 --> 2:21:35
The jab is a disaster.

2978
2:21:35 --> 2:21:38
And yet for many people,

2979
2:21:38 --> 2:21:41
it was deemed by them as the only way out

2980
2:21:41 --> 2:21:45
of this horrific fear that had been induced

2981
2:21:45 --> 2:21:47
by the other people.

2982
2:21:48 --> 2:21:49
All right, Stephen, we're gonna go,

2983
2:21:49 --> 2:21:52
that's wonderful, two and a half hours.

2984
2:21:52 --> 2:21:55
Again, Stephen, I criticise our guest

2985
2:21:55 --> 2:21:56
for not having to go to the toilet.

2986
2:21:56 --> 2:21:59
Manny, it shows you are not drinking enough water

2987
2:21:59 --> 2:22:02
unless you've got a special tube hidden somewhere.

2988
2:22:02 --> 2:22:05
No, you've got good fluid balance, Charles.

2989
2:22:05 --> 2:22:07
That's right, that's right.

2990
2:22:07 --> 2:22:09
All right, Stephen, Manny,

2991
2:22:09 --> 2:22:12
thank you so much for sharing your truth.

2992
2:22:12 --> 2:22:15
I love the fact that you write what you feel like writing.

2993
2:22:15 --> 2:22:18
That's the future, each one of us sees life differently.

2994
2:22:18 --> 2:22:21
That's the essence of love.

2995
2:22:21 --> 2:22:23
And I wanna share an interesting quote

2996
2:22:24 --> 2:22:26
from a wonderful book, everybody.

2997
2:22:26 --> 2:22:27
I don't know if you've seen it,

2998
2:22:27 --> 2:22:29
The Tools of Titans by Tim Ferriss.

2999
2:22:29 --> 2:22:33
I'm a big fan of Tim Ferriss, totally alternative thinking.

3000
2:22:33 --> 2:22:38
Tools of Titans has got about 250 true Titans,

3001
2:22:40 --> 2:22:42
tools of Titans.

3002
2:22:42 --> 2:22:45
And there's a wonderful, for example, on Whitney Cummings.

3003
2:22:45 --> 2:22:48
I don't know if you've ever heard of Whitney Cummings,

3004
2:22:48 --> 2:22:49
American comedian.

3005
2:22:51 --> 2:22:55
And a lot of these people are spectacular in their lives,

3006
2:22:55 --> 2:22:56
what they've achieved, I've never heard of them,

3007
2:22:56 --> 2:22:59
just shows you how many wonderful people there are.

3008
2:23:00 --> 2:23:02
And there was this beautiful quote

3009
2:23:02 --> 2:23:04
that I wanna share with you before we go.

3010
2:23:04 --> 2:23:07
And Manny, it ties into your whole theme

3011
2:23:08 --> 2:23:13
of the perspective, of the loss of friends.

3012
2:23:14 --> 2:23:17
And Whitney Cummings, look her up,

3013
2:23:17 --> 2:23:19
I think if you can find it about Whitney,

3014
2:23:19 --> 2:23:22
she's well known, where's her website?

3015
2:23:22 --> 2:23:25
Her website is WhitneyCummings.com,

3016
2:23:25 --> 2:23:29
W-H-I-T-N-E-Y-C-U-W-M-I-N-G-S.

3017
2:23:29 --> 2:23:31
And here's her definition of love.

3018
2:23:34 --> 2:23:39
My definition of love is being willing to die for someone

3019
2:23:40 --> 2:23:43
who you yourself want to kill.

3020
2:23:43 --> 2:23:45
That in my experience is kind of the deal.

3021
2:23:45 --> 2:23:49
My definition of love is being willing to die

3022
2:23:49 --> 2:23:53
for someone who you yourself want to kill.

3023
2:23:53 --> 2:23:55
So there you are, there's a thought provoking thought

3024
2:23:55 --> 2:23:55
for all of us.

3025
2:23:55 --> 2:23:58
Pretty easy to love people who agree with us.

3026
2:23:58 --> 2:24:02
The challenge is loving those who disagree with us.

3027
2:24:02 --> 2:24:04
So there's the thought, everybody please.

3028
2:24:04 --> 2:24:06
Oh, can I just say one last thing about Emmanuel?

3029
2:24:06 --> 2:24:10
So I think one of the things that Manuel,

3030
2:24:11 --> 2:24:14
I have thought of this actually, but I keep forgetting it.

3031
2:24:14 --> 2:24:16
And Emmanuel brought it up.

3032
2:24:16 --> 2:24:18
When you're talking to people one to one,

3033
2:24:18 --> 2:24:22
give them your full attention and give them time.

3034
2:24:22 --> 2:24:26
And you do get rewarded, because I've tried to be,

3035
2:24:26 --> 2:24:30
I've been trying to do that in the last three or four months.

3036
2:24:30 --> 2:24:33
And it's amazing what kind of connection you make.

3037
2:24:33 --> 2:24:35
Even with people on the phone,

3038
2:24:35 --> 2:24:37
if you give them your full attention,

3039
2:24:37 --> 2:24:39
if you give them your full attention,

3040
2:24:41 --> 2:24:43
and time, because a lot of people feel rushed

3041
2:24:43 --> 2:24:46
in conversations and the reason they interrupt is one,

3042
2:24:46 --> 2:24:47
because they think they're gonna forget

3043
2:24:47 --> 2:24:49
what they want to say.

3044
2:24:49 --> 2:24:51
And two, they don't feel they have time.

3045
2:24:52 --> 2:24:54
And we need to make time.

3046
2:24:56 --> 2:24:58
You've given me a great deal of time here.

3047
2:24:58 --> 2:25:00
And I have to say, I feel quite privileged

3048
2:25:00 --> 2:25:05
to have been part of this and to absorb this wonderful energy

3049
2:25:05 --> 2:25:08
and the thoughts and questions from everybody.

3050
2:25:08 --> 2:25:10
It's inspiring.

3051
2:25:10 --> 2:25:11
And as you say, Charles,

3052
2:25:11 --> 2:25:13
there are more people doing wonderful things

3053
2:25:13 --> 2:25:15
we don't know about all around the world.

3054
2:25:15 --> 2:25:17
And we should keep that in mind.

3055
2:25:17 --> 2:25:20
And I was given a glimpse of some of these wonders today.

3056
2:25:22 --> 2:25:23
Well said, thank you, Manny.

3057
2:25:23 --> 2:25:24
Thank you, Stephen.

3058
2:25:24 --> 2:25:25
Thank you, everybody.

3059
2:25:25 --> 2:25:28
Have a wonderful, wonderful Tuesday night, Wednesday.

3060
2:25:28 --> 2:25:30
And we'll be back with you on Sunday, Monday.

3061
2:25:30 --> 2:25:32
Bye.

3062
2:25:32 --> 2:25:34
Bye, thanks, Manny.

3063
2:25:34 --> 2:25:34
Bye, Charles, thank you.

3064
2:25:35 --> 2:25:36
And I have a place for Manny, for those of you.

3065
2:25:36 --> 2:25:38
Thank you, Emmanuel.

3066
2:25:38 --> 2:25:39
Thank you.

3067
2:25:39 --> 2:25:40
Very good.

3068
2:25:40 --> 2:25:42
A decent psychiatrist.

3069
2:25:43 --> 2:25:46
Do you have a good opinion of your colleagues, Emmanuel?

3070
2:25:48 --> 2:25:50
It all depends which ones.

3071
2:25:50 --> 2:25:52
No, I mean, the psychiatrist, because...

3072
2:25:52 --> 2:25:54
Yeah, it depends which.

3073
2:25:54 --> 2:25:57
There's a lot of, yeah, that's a long topic, Stephen.

3074
2:25:57 --> 2:25:59
I don't wanna get into that so much.

3075
2:25:59 --> 2:25:59
Yeah.

3076
2:26:01 --> 2:26:02
All right, off we go.

3077
2:26:02 --> 2:26:03
One of the things I've noticed,

3078
2:26:03 --> 2:26:04
one of the things I've noticed, Manny,

3079
2:26:05 --> 2:26:07
sorry, Charles, we're just having a little chat

3080
2:26:07 --> 2:26:08
so you cut us off.

3081
2:26:09 --> 2:26:11
One of the things I've noticed is that, you know,

3082
2:26:11 --> 2:26:14
they are doctors, psychiatrists, but the weird thing is,

3083
2:26:14 --> 2:26:18
so I have met very few psychiatrists.

3084
2:26:18 --> 2:26:21
And when I'm looking for a psychiatrist for my patients,

3085
2:26:21 --> 2:26:24
it's very difficult to find one I trust.

3086
2:26:24 --> 2:26:27
And so I end up referring the patient

3087
2:26:27 --> 2:26:30
to a clinical psychologist, who I found very, very helpful

3088
2:26:30 --> 2:26:32
when I was working for the military,

3089
2:26:32 --> 2:26:35
the consultant clinical psychologist,

3090
2:26:35 --> 2:26:37
much better than the military psychiatrist.

3091
2:26:38 --> 2:26:41
All right, we're stopping this recording and we're going.

3092
2:26:41 --> 2:26:45
You guys, you keep talking.

3093
2:26:45 --> 2:26:46
Have a conversation.

3094
2:26:46 --> 2:26:47
Okay, bye everybody.