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All right, let's get into it.
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Andy Wakefield, superstar, man of courage, welcome.
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I'm Charles Covesse, your moderator from Australia
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where it's 5 a.m. in the morning.
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So it's fun to get up and not need sleep.
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Now, this group, Andy, thank you for being here.
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Charles, before you get started,
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that said we'd check on those people
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Yes, we'll do that.
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We will do that via the chat.
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Everybody who's submitted Richard Fleming's letter,
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Thank you, Glenn, for the reminder.
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So Andy, we're having this group,
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and welcome to particularly to,
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The professions included here,
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they're lawyers and legal strategists, journalists,
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engineers, IT experts like Glenn, writers, researchers,
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patent experts, Andy, troublemakers.
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And I think it's fair to say
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who are on the side of the government narrative.
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So this is about-
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Gamblers, Charles, you forgot gamblers.
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Yes, we've got gamblers, very good.
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So I wear my red jacket
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because I'm Australia's passion provocateur,
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are passionate about certain things.
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We're here in a true spirit of discovery and exploration
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of what humanity needs.
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We go for two and a half hours in this session,
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Andy, you don't have to be here for two and a half hours,
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but if you can be,
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And if we do Q&A and then we're expecting 100, [privacy contact redaction]e.
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Stephen, I had to upgrade the account just in case.
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After the two and a half hours,
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Tom Rodman organized the Telegram group, less structured.
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There's no censorship, but we do proper moderation.
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Free speech is crucial here.
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And this is all about the development of science.
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So we're gonna have disagreements.
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If we're caring about humanity,
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well, please, we've gotta care about each other.
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And Kevin, have an open mind through these meetings.
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Many of you are here every twice a week,
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and it's wonderful to see the learning that I get
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and all of us get from this group.
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So Andy, that's what we're about.
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and it has been twice a week since.
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So welcome to you, Stephen.
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Do you wanna say anything before Andy gets going?
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And I'm not gonna introduce you, Andy,
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because we wanna know who you are.
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and it's not just about science.
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We already knew that it was about medicine,
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but it's about finance, it's about corruption,
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it's about serious crime,
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it's about crimes against humanity and all the rest.
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And we're willing to hear any aspect
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which you can throw light on.
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Right, well, thank you very much.
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It's a great pleasure to be here.
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I'm not quite sure what you want me to do,
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if I'm not making any sense.
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we're pretty good at asking questions.
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No, that's fine.
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I don't know why.
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No, I welcome your question.
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Somebody pointed out that we're a bunch of introverts,
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but I hadn't thought of myself as an introvert before,
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but I'm not an extrovert.
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Right.
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Okay, well, I welcome questions.
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I come from a medical family
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that six generations of physicians trained
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at the same medical schools,
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St. Mary's Hospital in London,
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where penicillin was discovered,
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one of its, that and rugby football,
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where it's sort of, well, it excelled at.
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And I was very much a conventional physician.
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What I mean by that is my medical training
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as much as it was in the science.
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to the patient or the patient's parents,
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or rule out their concerns.
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And so that is where I came from.
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It's very, very different from what is described
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And in this country in particular,
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And it's not something that I recognize.
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However, I graduated in 1981
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and I went on to get my fellowship
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with the Royal College of Surgeons.
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Crohn's disease, and ulcerative colitis.
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In 1995, in May of 1995,
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I received a call from a parent,
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a very articulate, intelligent woman
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who was not anti-vaccine in any way.
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She'd taken her child to be vaccinated on time
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and he had regressed immediately.
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He'd suffered a seizure and he'd gone on to regress,
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He had speech, language interaction with his older sibling.
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All of that had gone.
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And at the same time,
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as he had this neurodevelopmental decline,
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These came out at the same time.
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He was bloating, he was in pain.
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His mother said, I know he's in pain.
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He's lost the ability to speak,
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but I know as his mother, what is wrong with him.
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He was failing to thrive.
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with an inflammatory bowel disease of some sort.
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And so the medical profession to whom his mother had spoken,
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It's to be expected, put him in a home,
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forget about him, move on, have another child.
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That was where autism was at that time.
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And I should say at that time,
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the prevalence was approximately one in 10,000.
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we weren't even taught about it.
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but we've not taught about the syndrome itself.
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And this mother said to me,
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there is also an epidemic of this particular problem,
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And so I took this very, very seriously.
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other than that is what happened.
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And it was the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine.
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And at that time in the UK,
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this vaccine was given in isolation.
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It's not the same as it is in the US now
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What there it was an isolated event
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and therefore parents could pinpoint what had happened.
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And so I put together a team of experts,
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including professor John Walker Smith,
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who was the world's leading pediatric gastroenterology
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from Sydney, Australia at that time.
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He come to work at Bartholomew's hospital
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and I recruited him to the Royal Free Hospital
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and he bought his team.
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We had this wonderful team of physicians, neurologists,
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And we decided to get to the bottom of this
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because we had a flood of these referrals.
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And it was fascinating because as is almost always
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the case in medicine, the parent was absolutely right.
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and all of this was done by professor Walker Smith's team
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that inflammatory bowel disease
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for Crohn's or colitis, fiber-minosolicidate
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or something like this, and diet,
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gluten, casein exclusion diets,
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but also in the cognitive issues as well.
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We didn't cure autism, but there was a dramatic effect.
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that they not used for five years.
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It was rather like that Lorenzo's oil story.
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Although we were aware of this gut-brain axis,
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and we all know of hepatic encephalopathy
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or encephalopathy, the gut-brain link.
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And so this was not new to us,
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but this was a, if you like,
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a new expression of that old problem.
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We did not know at that time
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Was it inflammation or toxicity?
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Was it allergy?
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What we didn't know,
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but it raised a number of very, very interesting
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And therefore we had an absolute moral
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It is not something we could
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However, surprisingly,
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my colleagues took me aside one day and said,
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Andy, as pediatricians,
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That made absolutely no sense to me at all.
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It wasn't a medical position.
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It wasn't a scientific standpoint.
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It was, what will my colleagues at the Royal College
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think of me if I express concerns about MMR?
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That was unacceptable to me.
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And I made me rather angry.
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The Dean of the medical school took me aside and said,
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if you continue this vaccine safety research,
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it will not be good for your career.
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And he was right in as much, it was not.
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However, I decided that given my training
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and I had no choice, I don't want to sound heroic.
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This was, these were simple choices.
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either work for public health in the pharmaceutical industry
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or I worked for the child sitting across the desk from me
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And that's what I did.
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At that time, and I need to explain this
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because all of this is relevant to what's happening today.
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And as an academic, I was therefore faced with going out
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and raising my own funding
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And what happened was GlaxoSmithKline,
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or SmithKline as they were at the time,
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came to the medical school.
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And we were told as academics that we had to have,
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That's where the money would come from
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to fund future research, medical research in the UK.
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And the problems with that are tangibly obvious
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that what happened was the Royal Free Hospital
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where I was working at the time
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where they took some money from GlaxoSmithKline.
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It was pocket change to this company,
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but to academics, it was a great deal of money.
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on anything that was produced by researchers at the Royal Free
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over not only what research was done
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at the Royal Free Hospital, but what research was not done.
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And they did not want vaccine safety research done
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of the measles, mumps, rubella vaccine
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And that made it very difficult.
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It also became the new Dean of,
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sorry, the new professor of medicine,
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Mark Peppers came to the Royal Free.
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On the proviso that they dismissed me.
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I knew nothing about this at the time.
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He, I did not know, but he had a very close tie with Glaxo
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for the treatment of dementia.
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And so all of this was going on in the background
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and it was highly commercial
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and it was clearly a challenge to their,
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to allow me to pursue this research.
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Now, again, something I state as a matter
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We recognize it.
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You gentlemen, ladies and gentlemen,
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I'm sure have experienced as medical professionals
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At the time, this did not happen.
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At the time, there was me on one side
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and on the other side, there was the World Health Organization,
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UNICEF, the British government, the pharmaceutical industry,
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the CDC, the NIH, the FDA,
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the American Academy of Pediatrics,
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the Royal College of Pediatricians.
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I could go on and on and on.
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I mean, it was not an even fight.
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And I, again, this is simply a matter of historical record.
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It's not a question of poor Andy Wakefield.
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And so there was no, and what happened then
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We published the Lancet paper.
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The Lancet paper I'll come to in a moment,
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but it became somewhat infamous.
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At that time, they then appointed the son
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as a non-executive director with the role
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And I was his target and he came after me in a big way
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So all of this was going on,
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largely unknown to me until it literally hit,
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sort of within 24 hours of publication.
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Lancet paper itself was a case report.
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can be as small as three or four patients.
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It can be, I mean, autism was 11, Crohn's disease was 14,
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no controls, you don't know what you're controlling
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and what are the parents or the patient
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and your clinical findings.
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What they can do is generate hypothesis.
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And what we did was to report in the Lancet paper
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entirely accurately what we had been told by the parents,
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and what the clinical findings were on investigation
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at the Royal Free Hospital.
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And then at the end say, this does not prove
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an association between autism and sorry,
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Further work is required.
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That was the conclusion.
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That has been misinterpreted in the media ad infinitum
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to say that we made the claim that the vaccine,
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MMR vaccine causes autism, quite the opposite.
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Didn't matter.
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What was published and what the media wrote
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was entirely different.
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We're now familiar with this.
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At the time though, it was very sinister
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was so much greater than it is now.
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who then came after me.
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And really that was, I realized that there was no chance
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of continuing this work in England.
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And so I then came, I suppose, in professional
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to continue the work.
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over the years is that because of the position I'd taken,
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and from federal agencies like the CDC, like the NIH,
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FDA and said, we have done a terrible thing
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and here is the evidence.
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And so ultimately when I no longer worked in medicine
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or medical science, I decided with a long standing interest,
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I decided to become a filmmaker
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of those who had perpetrated this situation.
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And all of this was, let me go back briefly.
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I thought I owe it to myself and to them
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and to the authorities to do a thorough analysis
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of every pre-licensing and post-licensing safety study
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of all measles containing vaccines,
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measles, measles rubella, measles mumps rubella,
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measles mumps rubella, chickenpox
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was not available at that time.
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I wrote a [privacy contact redaction]udies
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deceiver control, clinical trial
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and fatal delayed disease.
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The idea that they had limited the safety studies
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to three weeks was unthinkable.
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like the Carson Fountain Hospital
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like Willowbrook Hospital in Willowbrook State School
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the home for 5,[privacy contact redaction]en with severe physical
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and mental disabilities.
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This is where the clinical trials were conducted.
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Why?
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It didn't matter whether they lived or died.
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They could be used at the will
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And I'll give you one example.
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They, one experiment involved giving children
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and if they died, how they died
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because they were expendable.
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And that was in the 1960s.
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So this is not so very long ago
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that this was allowed to happen.
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Though it's just an interesting historical note
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that can be found in Bobby Kennedy's book,
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The Real Anthony Fauci.
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So as a humanitarian, as much as a physician,
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the more I got into this, the more appalled I became
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the ethical violations that they seem
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And so that was really the background of my story.
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I was accused of scientific fraud.
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I was accused of all kinds of things.
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has been pursuing this case like a dog with a bone
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for as long as it's been going on
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and has done an extremely detailed analysis
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of what the British Medical Journal and Brian Deer alleged
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And if there was fraud, undoubtedly,
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and it was entirely on the part of Fiona Godley, Brian Deer
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and the British Medical Journal.
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and the British Medical Journal in Travis County, Texas.
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And the reason for doing that
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is not necessary personal exoneration,
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but parents asked me to do so on the basis
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that not to do so, to allow their narrative to stand
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would be to dismiss the parent's story,
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So this is no mean undertaking.
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It's a sort of $[privacy contact redaction]eds of man hours.
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Sadly, ultimately, we were denied jurisdiction.
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even though legal precedent was entirely on our side.
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It seems that someone very high up
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did not want this case to see the light of day.
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They didn't want it to see the light of day
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because it emerged in deposition.
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And this is something that happens in America, not in the UK,
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in a meeting of both legal teams.
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And it became absolutely clear there,
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They said they had taken the [privacy contact redaction] transcript
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every one of Brian Deer's allegations of fraud.
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When it came to the deposition,
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we deposed the deputy editor of the BMJ,
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she had gone where he had taken him.
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She wasn't even aware that I had testified.
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My lawyer said to her,
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you are aware that these adversarial proceedings,
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each case, each party gets to present their claim.
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And Andy Wakefield did so.
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He presented his case in what was the longest deposition,
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of the general medical council at that time.
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She said, no, I was not aware of that.
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of my defense.
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And when that happened, when it became clear
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lied not only in public in the British Medical Journal,
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but lied to their own lawyers,
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their lawyer from Texas got up and walked out of the room.
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And so it became clear.
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And what happened after that is that their lawyers
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went to them and said,
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you either present a new case altogether
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that does not rely on the British,
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on the general medical council transcripts
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come up with an entirely different affidavit,
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one mention of the general medical council proceedings.
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they were going to be raked over the coals.
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And so the case was never allowed to go to court.
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Why would anyone in their right mind
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want to spend $3 million and all of those,
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everything it took to get this case to where it was going,
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to lay everything out in public,
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if they were guilty of fraud?
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You wouldn't do it.
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There'd be no merit whatsoever.
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And that was the case for me.
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But nevermind, this is not about me.
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And I need to get over that.
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I need to forget about that.
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I need to move on.
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There's this about something far, far more important.
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The universe doesn't care what happens to Andy Wakefield,
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but the universe does care what happens
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And so I went having realized that it was not about me.
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It was about a much bigger issue,
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really about the future of mankind, I think,
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and what medicine is and what it should be.
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And so I felt a great deal better for that
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and was able to approach my work, certainly the filmmaking,
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taken off my shoulders because it's not about me at all.
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It's made, it's dressed up to look like it's about me.
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It's made very personal, but it's not.
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That's just dressing, window dressing.
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So I've now, this brings us, I suppose,
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to one of the films I made.
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And I want to emphasize this because I don't know
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of the [privacy contact redaction]
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This is highly relevant to where we are today
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in the world with COVID.
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and it was intended to do three things.
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It came about because the pharmaceutical company
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that at that time, Wyeth and Lederle,
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that made the diphtheria tetanus pertussis,
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the old wholesale vaccine, were aware, quite clearly aware,
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in documents that subsequently made it
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into the public domain through our film,
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that their vaccine was causing brain damage and death
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in a very large and unacceptable number of children.
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And they were in the firing line to get sued.
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And so they went to the government and they said,
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we are going to pull out of the vaccine industry
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from death and injury caused by our vaccines.
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And if we pull out of the market,
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no one else will make these vaccines.
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Pertussis will come back, Kupinkov will come back,
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How do you feel about that?
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And politicians, as they do, and as we've seen in COVID panic,
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they're not biologists, they're not bacteriologists,
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they know nothing of this.
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And so they are entirely reliant on those,
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giving them the information they receive.
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And so they passed the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act
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and it had three intentions.
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One was to make vaccines safer.
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who had been injured.
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And three was to give a large measure of liability protection
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to the pharmaceutical companies,
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the only exemption being fraud.
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is that the vaccine companies
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In America, children were required to have their vaccines,
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vaccines on the recommended CDC schedule to go to school,
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to go to public school.
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So they had a mandatory market and they had no liability.
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All they could do was to make a massive, massive profit.
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And that's what they did.
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And the vaccine program expanded
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and all kinds of new vaccines came onto the market
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for increasingly specious allegations
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or allegations of severity, death, disease.
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0:30:44 --> 0:30:[privacy contact redaction]e pulled these numbers out of the air
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0:30:46 --> 0:30:[privacy contact redaction]ion of these vaccines.
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And they made more and more and more and more money.
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As these vaccines got onto the recommended schedule,
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they had no liability.
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They were therefore disincentivized to do safety studies.
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0:31:04 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction]udies
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if it threatened you getting a license,
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if you were going to identify an adverse reaction
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0:31:14 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction] getting to market?
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And so there was no incentive for them to do safety studies.
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And so they made an enormous amount of money
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and they became very, very powerful.
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And that allowed certain things to happen.
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And this is why it's relevant to today.
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0:31:33 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction]ively.
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0:31:39 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction]udent training.
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They bought medical journals.
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They owned the editorial.
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particularly in this country
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0:31:47 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction] to consumer advertising.
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And again, over the editorial,
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what was said and what wasn't said,
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what was published, what wasn't published.
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They became essential to politicians getting reelected.
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And so they could control the political narrative
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and indeed themselves write policy.
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through these devices to the point where,
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and this was a global agenda,
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so powerful that it allowed them to do in effect
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0:32:26 --> 0:32:[privacy contact redaction] been able to do with COVID vaccine,
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a great deal of money in the right hand.
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And of course, supported by people like Fauci
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who are wholehearted advocates of vaccinology.
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So that film, 1986, The Act,
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really provides an insight into how this came about,
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And but, and here's the interesting thing.
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And I think perhaps on this note,
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I'll conclude and answer questions to the extent that I can.
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0:33:13 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction]arted out 30 years ago
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in this field of vaccine safety,
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who were prepared to talk about this openly in public.
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And that number is now more than half
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the world's adult population.
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And so for those of you who feel that we are losing
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no, the vaccine industry and public health
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Their overreach, their greed, their indifference,
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0:33:49 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction] added up to where we are now.
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But don't be glum, don't be too despondent
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because we are now the majority.
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And I was reading the other day that 70% of American adults
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or the COVID shot, the second dose or not had the booster.
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0:34:13 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction]s, they're not compliant
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with the CDC's recommended schedule.
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0:34:16 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction] anti-vaxxers by the,
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0:34:21 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction]ream media.
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0:34:23 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction]e are waking up.
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0:34:27 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction]inary series of events
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for that to happen.
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Things were very different when there were just a handful
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of us 30 years ago, but people will come to recognize.
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0:34:41 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction]e like Peter McCullough and others.
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And Peter says when he gets up and talks or did at least,
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0:34:50 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction] concerns about this vaccine, the shot,
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the childhood vaccine is fine and I'm happy with that.
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But they've come to, they do not understand the history.
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And part of my job is to teach them the history
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that we all came from the same position.
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I came from having concerns about MMR.
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Bobby Kennedy came from having concerns
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about the mercury preservative thimerosol.
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Chris Exley came from concerns about aluminum.
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0:35:17 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]and is that we have no idea
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what's going on.
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And as we add these things in, are there quadratic,
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0:35:26 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]ions that we don't understand?
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0:35:30 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction] made it, it has been made so complicated
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0:35:33 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction] any kind
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0:35:35 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]udy that gives you the relative safety
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of a particular vaccine since they're all thrown in together.
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0:35:42 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]and, but what we do know
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0:35:46 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]ex
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0:35:49 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction] violated the integrity
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of the body's ability to defend itself, to protect itself
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and done enormous harm.
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0:36:01 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction]em, you do so
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at a very, very high price.
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0:36:07 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction], life will find a way.
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There's a wonderful line at the beginning of Jurassic Park,
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the original Jurassic Park, you may remember
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when they are in the laboratory and Sam Mendes
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is looking at an egg hatching and he said,
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Oh my God, you've bred a velociraptor.
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the man in the white coat, says, Oh, don't worry.
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They can't reproduce, they're all female.
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And Sam Goldblum, sorry, Jeff Goldblum steps in
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as that chaos theory mathematician says,
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you don't understand, life will find a way
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to recover, to restore the integrity of mankind,
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The damage done, I think this will turn out
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0:36:56 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction]ake they ever made
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on many, many counts.
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And there's an abundance of evidence that's emerging
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0:37:04 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction] that that is the case.
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But we need to, what you're doing,
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a group like yours is extremely important,
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extremely important and it's a growing number.
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It's a growing number.
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There are 17,[privacy contact redaction]s
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or worldwide who are fighting
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and that number is growing every day.
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Sadly, so is the number of people who are killed
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So on that note, which I hope ultimately is not
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too despondent, I will happily answer questions.
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Andy, well done, well done, not despondent at all.
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I've written it down, you know, at the 38 minute mark.
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We are winning and this group, I assure you,
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agrees that we'll win.
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0:38:05 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]ion is how many casualties they will be.
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Traditionally, Andy here, Stephen asked the first questions.
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We've got 10 hands up, there's no rush.
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We'd love to have you here as long as you can be here.
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0:38:19 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction] and unpacks the thinking.
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That's because he started this group
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and it works well.
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I'm on the committee of the Australian
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Vaccination Risk Network and the Vaxxed Bus.
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Everybody, you all know the movie is called Vaxxed.
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Well, we've got a bus in Australia
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with a big Vaxxed, V-A-X-X-E-D across the thing.
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And what's salutary is Andy was going through that history
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was how you reminded me,
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and I'm sure all of us, of our learning journey.
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10 years ago, what I was thinking about vaccines
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and what many of us were versus now.
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So it was wonderful to hear that development.
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I can remember clearly the day when I first heard
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0:39:10 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction] giving indemnity to big pharma.
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I thought, wow, who let that through?
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0:39:19 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction], there are lots of questions
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and lovely to see the hands up.
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0:39:24 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction], over to you first.
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Yeah, so Andrew, where are you?
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He's there.
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Nice to see you.
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I'm here, somewhere.
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Oh, there you are, yes.
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I'm here.
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So, well, I think all of us on this group
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would like to say that we're very sorry
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about what happened to you,
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but also very nice that you eventually realized,
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I know that feeling from my own experience
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nice that you realized in the end
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that it was not about you,
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it was about the narrative,
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their narrative, which they were trying to protect,
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and you were the threat to it.
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And so it wasn't personal.
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I know the feeling though,
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because that's exactly how I felt with the MOT.
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And you said about the, you sued them,
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you were right to sue them, in my opinion,
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and to allow their narrative to continue
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was important, as it turns out, for all humanity.
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But I've written down,
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but there were so many things that you said today,
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I wanted to, but there's just too much.
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But many of us on this call now,
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0:40:42 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction]and the importance
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of what you've just transmitted to us,
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0:40:46 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction]and them.
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0:40:49 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction]ors in this group,
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0:40:55 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction] for the patients,
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but they didn't understand what was going on.
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0:41:01 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]op to my training
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and to many others' training.
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0:41:07 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] that they didn't help you, Andrew,
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was not because they didn't like you,
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it was because they didn't know,
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and they didn't understand.
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0:41:18 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]and now,
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because we've been studying this
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for a whole year in these meetings,
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from many sides, not just medicine and science.
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And so I hope you'll forgive us.
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And so there are lots of things.
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I'm absolutely astonished that the BMA
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continue to write to me,
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asking me whether I want to rejoin,
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when I told them when I left,
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that I was leaving them
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because they were a bunch of crooks in this situation.
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And so they continue,
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0:41:55 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] the audacity to lie to their lawyers,
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to American lawyers representing them.
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Is that what they did in America?
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Yes, indeed, yes.
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0:42:05 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] a small lie, a massive lie.
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The whole case was built on a morass of lies.
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0:42:13 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]inary.
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0:42:15 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ory, Andrew,
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0:42:19 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] amazing.
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So swine flu, that was what woke me up.
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I remembered swine flu.
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And very early in 2020,
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Well, not the details, of course,
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I couldn't work it out.
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It's very confusing.
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But I knew that there was something terribly wrong,
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0:42:35 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] for me, but for everyone.
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And it wasn't just swine flu.
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0:42:42 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ory.
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It was HIV and AIDS.
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Carey Mullis, you know, his,
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0:42:48 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ed,
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he was a Nobel Prize winner, as you know.
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0:42:52 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ed, his name's gone now.
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Do you remember Peter?
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Peter?
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Duesberg.
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Peter Duesberg?
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Yes, that's right.
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Because they went for Peter Duesberg,
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rather than Carey Mullis.
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I think they were frightened of Carey Mullis,
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and they had to kill him in the end in 2019,
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in my opinion, August 2019.
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0:43:14 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] could not have gone forward.
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And that was absolutely essential to what they did.
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0:43:21 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]ion to you, Andrew, is this.
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You said that they got rid of the liability
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if there was no fraud,
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but there was massive fraud in this case.
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0:43:34 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]n't got rid of the liability.
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And how did they think that they would get away with this,
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even when they'd got away with all the stuff
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0:43:45 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] with, revaccines, in the past,
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0:43:50 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] vaccines, we now have to suspect,
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all the medications,
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0:43:54 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] to look at all these medications
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and all the vaccines to make sure
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that they're safe and effective.
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Because I'm, as a medical doctor, I don't believe a word.
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Any of them say, anything that they say now,
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0:44:07 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]ake, as you say,
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in the end, they've been flawed
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or they will be flawed by their own hubris.
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You're absolutely right.
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0:44:17 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]ly, let me say that there's nothing to forgive, please.
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But thank you very much.
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It's just part of the human,
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it's part of our learning process.
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And it was part of mine and it's part of everybody's.
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And it's a shame that we've had to learn
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0:44:35 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]and, sorry.
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Sorry.
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0:44:40 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]ration, Andrew.
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But you said that you had no doubt, I think,
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you said that you had to sue.
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0:44:50 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction] shows that if you don't do these things,
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if you don't hold people to account at the correct time,
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You're absolutely right.
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Accountability is really something that I'm out to achieve
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in the films I'm making because things that...
906
0:45:11 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]ly, let me talk about the issue of fraud
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and the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.
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It will turn out, I'm absolutely certain that within this,
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and it is turning out that within the context
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of the COVID narrative, there has been extraordinary fraud.
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0:45:29 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]and the mindset
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0:45:30 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]ry executive.
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They don't care.
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0:45:36 --> 0:45:39
They operate on the basis that they want to make
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as much money in a shorter space of time as possible.
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0:45:43 --> 0:45:45
They get their bonus and they move on.
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0:45:45 --> 0:45:48
They're not actually interested in the longevity of Merck
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or of Pfizer or of any of these other companies.
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0:45:52 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]ed in making their money and getting out.
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0:45:57 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction], the company faces massive
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billion dollar litigation, they don't care
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0:46:04 --> 0:46:05
because they're already out.
923
0:46:05 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction] already yielded
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0:46:09 --> 0:46:13
five COVID shot billionaires.
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That's really what drives this whole process.
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0:46:16 --> 0:46:21
So it's not about the company's survival.
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0:46:21 --> 0:46:22
They don't care about that.
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0:46:22 --> 0:46:24
They want to make as much money as possible.
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0:46:24 --> 0:46:28
So the fraud, the emergence of the fact that there was fraud
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0:46:28 --> 0:46:31
and the company paying a huge price down the line,
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that's not their concern.
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0:46:33 --> 0:46:36
And so then we come to the issue of accountability.
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0:46:39 --> 0:46:44
William Thompson from the CDC, senior scientist,
934
0:46:44 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]ill talking to me
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0:46:47 --> 0:46:51
and they said, look, every child gets MMR.
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0:46:52 --> 0:46:55
Why doesn't every child develop autism?
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0:46:55 --> 0:46:55
We don't understand.
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0:46:55 --> 0:46:57
Well, we know in medicine that you can smoke
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and not develop lung cancer.
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0:46:59 --> 0:47:00
That's just a given.
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0:47:00 --> 0:47:04
We don't know the precise reasons why.
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0:47:04 --> 0:47:05
Is it a dose response?
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0:47:05 --> 0:47:06
Is it genetic?
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0:47:06 --> 0:47:07
Is it a combination of many things?
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0:47:07 --> 0:47:08
Yes.
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0:47:08 --> 0:47:11
And so I said, well, one of the things
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that we believe is important is the age of exposure.
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The younger you get the MMR, the greater the risk
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of developing autism.
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0:47:18 --> 0:47:22
We say that because we know that natural exposure
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0:47:22 --> 0:47:25
to measles under the age of one carries a much higher risk
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0:47:25 --> 0:47:28
of an adverse outcome than over the age of one.
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0:47:28 --> 0:47:30
There is an age-related phenomenon.
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0:47:30 --> 0:47:32
And now with COVID, we are fully aware
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0:47:32 --> 0:47:37
of this age-related outcome.
956
0:47:37 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]ed that hypothesis in the Atlanta metro area
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0:47:41 --> 0:47:44
and they found it to be absolutely true.
958
0:47:44 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]
959
0:47:45 --> 0:47:47
The younger you got the vaccine, the greater the risk.
960
0:47:47 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]roying the documents
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0:47:51 --> 0:47:53
and covering up the data.
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0:47:53 --> 0:47:55
William Thompson, the senior scientist
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0:47:55 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]udy, collected the data,
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0:47:58 --> 0:48:00
and analyzed it and wrote the paper,
965
0:48:00 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction] and said, I can't live with this any longer.
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0:48:05 --> 0:48:08
Here is all of the evidence that I kept.
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0:48:08 --> 0:48:12
And we were able to make the movie Vax on that basis, which
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shows beyond a shadow of a doubt the link,
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0:48:15 --> 0:48:18
the causal association between MMR and autism.
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0:48:18 --> 0:48:20
But of course, it was completely buried because there
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was no accountability.
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0:48:22 --> 0:48:24
We went to the Oversight Committee on Government Reform
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at the US Congress and we said, your job
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0:48:28 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]ances of fraud
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0:48:31 --> 0:48:33
in the federal agencies.
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0:48:33 --> 0:48:33
This is your job.
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0:48:33 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction] do it.
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0:48:35 --> 0:48:37
They wouldn't touch it.
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0:48:37 --> 0:48:41
They did not want to go anywhere near it because, well,
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0:48:41 --> 0:48:42
that's a question for them as to why.
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0:48:42 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction] that their campaign funds were highly
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0:48:46 --> 0:48:49
dependent upon the income from pharmaceutical companies,
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0:48:49 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction] other things.
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0:48:51 --> 0:48:53
Also, they were threatened with the idea that, well,
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0:48:53 --> 0:48:58
if you undermine confidence in public health authorities,
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0:48:58 --> 0:49:01
parents won't vaccinate their children and children will die
987
0:49:01 --> 0:49:02
and it will be your fault.
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0:49:02 --> 0:49:05
That same argument was thrown at them again,
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0:49:05 --> 0:49:10
as was thrown at them with the liability protection issue.
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0:49:10 --> 0:49:14
So there was no accountability.
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0:49:14 --> 0:49:19
There was quite clearly fraud and there was no accountability.
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0:49:19 --> 0:49:21
And so it continued.
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0:49:21 --> 0:49:23
Not only did it continue, they were
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0:49:23 --> 0:49:26
incentivized to continue behaving in that way
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0:49:26 --> 0:49:28
by getting their pensions being paid off,
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0:49:28 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]y keeping their jobs at the CDC
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0:49:31 --> 0:49:34
and then receiving a big pension at the end of it.
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0:49:34 --> 0:49:38
So my filmmaking now is about accountability,
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0:49:38 --> 0:49:40
whatever the risk that brings.
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0:49:40 --> 0:49:45
To me personally, it's about naming names and shaming people
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0:49:45 --> 0:49:48
because without that, there is no disincentive
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0:49:48 --> 0:49:49
to this kind of behavior.
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0:49:49 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]e need to go to prison, not least
1004
0:49:52 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]e
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0:49:54 --> 0:49:58
have been involved in the COVID issue.
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0:49:58 --> 0:50:01
I absolutely agree.
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0:50:01 --> 0:50:03
I could go on, but there are 16 hands up.
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0:50:03 --> 0:50:06
So Charles?
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0:50:06 --> 0:50:07
Yes, thank you.
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0:50:08 --> 0:50:10
Thank you, Stephen.
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0:50:10 --> 0:50:14
And publicly, John Stone, thank you for enabling Andy
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0:50:14 --> 0:50:15
to be here today.
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0:50:15 --> 0:50:16
John, well done.
1014
0:50:16 --> 0:50:18
Yes, thank you, John.
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0:50:18 --> 0:50:19
So here we go.
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0:50:19 --> 0:50:21
Here we go, Andy.
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0:50:21 --> 0:50:23
And we've got 16 hands up.
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0:50:23 --> 0:50:25
I'm looking forward to this conversation.
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0:50:25 --> 0:50:28
It's up to you how long you spend answering each question.
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0:50:28 --> 0:50:31
And I'm sure there'll be more, but it's great that you can.
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0:50:31 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] and he is a retired police
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0:50:35 --> 0:50:36
officer from the UK.
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0:50:36 --> 0:50:38
Thank you very much, Charles.
1024
0:50:38 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] Andrew
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Wakefield.
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It's an absolute pleasure to meet your acquaintance.
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0:50:45 --> 0:50:47
What I'm going to do is I'm not going to ask you a question.
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0:50:47 --> 0:50:50
I'm just going to spend about a minute going over
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0:50:50 --> 0:50:55
what happened to my own child as a result of the MMR vaccine.
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0:50:55 --> 0:50:58
And it was because of you and a few of the doctors,
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0:50:58 --> 0:51:00
and thank you for what you did.
1032
0:51:00 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] you have,
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0:51:02 --> 0:51:04
fully deserved.
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0:51:04 --> 0:51:07
My daughter, she was very unlucky when she had the MMR.
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0:51:07 --> 0:51:10
Within five years of that, back in the early 2000s,
1036
0:51:10 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]y meningitis,
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0:51:14 --> 0:51:16
hospitalized for 10 days.
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0:51:16 --> 0:51:21
She had really bad bowel issues, very inflamed, ex-mat, asthma,
1039
0:51:21 --> 0:51:23
and she had behavioral issues.
1040
0:51:23 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]arted to do my own research.
1041
0:51:26 --> 0:51:28
I was aware of you at the time and what happened
1042
0:51:28 --> 0:51:31
because my ex-wife was a nurse, a pediatrician,
1043
0:51:31 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]igations and research
1044
0:51:35 --> 0:51:38
and realized she hit the double whammy there,
1045
0:51:38 --> 0:51:41
and she got all five of the very serious side effects
1046
0:51:41 --> 0:51:43
as a result of the MMR.
1047
0:51:43 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]arted to realize that these things were dangerous
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0:51:46 --> 0:51:48
and they weren't what they were telling us.
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0:51:48 --> 0:51:51
And I approached my own GP because of my daughter's
1050
0:51:51 --> 0:51:55
many problems and issues and realized that these things
1051
0:51:55 --> 0:51:57
were so dangerous.
1052
0:51:57 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]arted to realize that these things were dangerous.
1053
0:52:00 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ually become quite vocal
1054
0:52:03 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] my own family and friends in advising them
1055
0:52:06 --> 0:52:08
if their partners were pregnant or their babies were young,
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0:52:08 --> 0:52:10
do not take these vaccines.
1057
0:52:10 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] them this anecdotal evidence that I had myself
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0:52:14 --> 0:52:15
and my own experience.
1059
0:52:15 --> 0:52:18
And it was because of you, and this is a personal thank you
1060
0:52:18 --> 0:52:21
to you, I've always wanted to meet you and speak to you.
1061
0:52:21 --> 0:52:23
You are a hero.
1062
0:52:23 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]e who did vilify you back in the late 90s
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0:52:27 --> 0:52:32
and early 2000s, they've got some serious egg on their face.
1064
0:52:32 --> 0:52:35
So from me to you, thank you.
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0:52:35 --> 0:52:37
God bless you and well done for what you've done
1066
0:52:37 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] you have.
1067
0:52:40 --> 0:52:42
I've watched all of your films, they're outstanding.
1068
0:52:42 --> 0:52:44
Keep going and thank you.
1069
0:52:44 --> 0:52:46
Thank you very much from the bottom of my heart.
1070
0:52:46 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] to let you know, my daughter is now mid-20s,
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0:52:50 --> 0:52:53
a very successful businesswoman.
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0:52:54 --> 0:52:58
Her symptoms are limited because we managed to help her
1073
0:52:58 --> 0:53:01
with diet, exercise and the likes.
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0:53:01 --> 0:53:05
And she is a wonderful, beautiful human being
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0:53:05 --> 0:53:06
doing very well in life.
1076
0:53:06 --> 0:53:07
Thank you very much.
1077
0:53:07 --> 0:53:09
So God bless you.
1078
0:53:09 --> 0:53:10
I'm absolutely delighted.
1079
0:53:10 --> 0:53:10
Thank you so much.
1080
0:53:12 --> 0:53:13
Beautifully said, Mark.
1081
0:53:13 --> 0:53:14
Thank you.
1082
0:53:14 --> 0:53:16
Thank you.
1083
0:53:16 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]elia.
1084
0:53:19 --> 0:53:20
Hi, yeah.
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0:53:20 --> 0:53:24
I've just got two little questions about the BMJ because-
1086
0:53:24 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]elia, can you tell Dr. Wakefield
1087
0:53:28 --> 0:53:30
that you're a doctor and a pathologist actually?
1088
0:53:30 --> 0:53:32
Yeah, I'm a histopathologist
1089
0:53:32 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]ory in the BMJ with great interest
1090
0:53:36 --> 0:53:40
because at the time, the BMJ claimed that you were looking
1091
0:53:40 --> 0:53:43
at colon biopsies yourself,
1092
0:53:43 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] involved
1093
0:53:46 --> 0:53:48
and claiming that there is colitis
1094
0:53:48 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] the inflammatory cells
1095
0:53:53 --> 0:53:55
in the large bowel mucosa
1096
0:53:57 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]em.
1097
0:53:59 --> 0:54:02
So they said you overreported this,
1098
0:54:02 --> 0:54:03
but at the beginning of your talk,
1099
0:54:03 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction] involved.
1100
0:54:06 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction] one of many lies from the BMJ?
1101
0:54:12 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction] wondering what your view on that is.
1102
0:54:15 --> 0:54:17
Thank you very much for raising that.
1103
0:54:17 --> 0:54:20
Yeah, see, all of the biopsies were reviewed
1104
0:54:20 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction], Dr. Paul Dillon.
1105
0:54:23 --> 0:54:27
You may know him and he was on the paper.
1106
0:54:27 --> 0:54:30
I had nothing whatsoever to do with reporting
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0:54:30 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]opathology
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0:54:33 --> 0:54:37
in that paper at all or indeed in any child.
1109
0:54:37 --> 0:54:39
I was not qualified to do that.
1110
0:54:39 --> 0:54:42
I was a surgeon and I took no part in that
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0:54:42 --> 0:54:46
other than to join in the pathology meetings
1112
0:54:46 --> 0:54:49
that we would hold every Friday
1113
0:54:49 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]en
1114
0:54:52 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]igated.
1115
0:54:53 --> 0:54:56
So the one thing that I did do was to make sure
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0:54:56 --> 0:55:00
that Paul Dillon had available to him
1117
0:55:00 --> 0:55:05
in a blinded fashion biopsies from 10 normal colonic biopsies
1118
0:55:06 --> 0:55:08
from age-matched children
1119
0:55:08 --> 0:55:11
to give a blinded comparison of the two.
1120
0:55:11 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]rated beyond a shadow of a doubt
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0:55:14 --> 0:55:17
that there was inflammation.
1122
0:55:17 --> 0:55:20
We went beyond that and we then went into great detail
1123
0:55:20 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ry,
1124
0:55:22 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ry, immunofluorescence flow cytometry
1125
0:55:30 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]erize, actually quantify the numbers
1126
0:55:33 --> 0:55:35
of inflammatory cells in the bowel,
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0:55:35 --> 0:55:40
various types, CD4, CD8, gamma delta T cells, et cetera,
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0:55:40 --> 0:55:43
and to look at cytokine profiles.
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0:55:43 --> 0:55:44
And doing that, and we published, I think,
1130
0:55:44 --> 0:55:47
about 15, 16 papers on this,
1131
0:55:47 --> 0:55:48
showing beyond a shadow of a doubt
1132
0:55:48 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ological evidence
1133
0:55:51 --> 0:55:55
of inflammation, but there was immunohistochemical evidence
1134
0:55:55 --> 0:55:58
of increased T cell subsets, for example,
1135
0:55:58 --> 0:56:03
gamma delta T cells, and there was a marked increase,
1136
0:56:03 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]or alpha
1137
0:56:06 --> 0:56:08
being produced by these cells.
1138
0:56:08 --> 0:56:13
So, yeah, so that's a long way of answering your question,
1139
0:56:14 --> 0:56:17
but I'm sure you'll appreciate the detail,
1140
0:56:17 --> 0:56:20
but no, that was a frank lie.
1141
0:56:20 --> 0:56:21
I had no role whatsoever.
1142
0:56:21 --> 0:56:24
So, but at the time, the BMJ was quite critical
1143
0:56:24 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]ry.
1144
0:56:26 --> 0:56:29
So why would they do, what was their motivation
1145
0:56:29 --> 0:56:32
to do this to you, to portray you as a fraud?
1146
0:56:33 --> 0:56:36
Well, I think that is probably a question for them.
1147
0:56:36 --> 0:56:40
I've asked myself that many times, and I don't know.
1148
0:56:40 --> 0:56:41
I mean-
1149
0:56:41 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]elia, that's what's known as a limited hangout.
1150
0:56:46 --> 0:56:49
And the other thing is, when I started in pathology,
1151
0:56:49 --> 0:56:52
Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis was quite rare.
1152
0:56:52 --> 0:56:55
And now we've got an explosion of biopsies
1153
0:56:55 --> 0:56:57
for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
1154
0:56:57 --> 0:57:02
It's not quadrupled, it's 10 times the biopsies we get
1155
0:57:02 --> 0:57:04
for Crohn's disease and ulcerative colitis.
1156
0:57:04 --> 0:57:06
And nobody's questioning it.
1157
0:57:06 --> 0:57:08
And they're treating these patients
1158
0:57:08 --> 0:57:12
with really expensive antibodies to tumor necrosis factor
1159
0:57:12 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]s a thousand pounds a month.
1160
0:57:14 --> 0:57:16
And nobody's ever talking about this
1161
0:57:16 --> 0:57:18
or nutrition or anything else.
1162
0:57:18 --> 0:57:21
And it's just astounding that the whole system
1163
0:57:21 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction] based on treatment and not on looking at the causes.
1164
0:57:26 --> 0:57:28
Well, it's a very good point you raise.
1165
0:57:28 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]arted calling me
1166
0:57:30 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]en,
1167
0:57:32 --> 0:57:37
because we'd done a lot of research showing
1168
0:57:38 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]ed in the possible role
1169
0:57:41 --> 0:57:43
of measles virus, natural measles,
1170
0:57:43 --> 0:57:46
in causing inflammatory bowel disease.
1171
0:57:46 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction], the interest of my group
1172
0:57:49 --> 0:57:51
was atypical patterns of exposure.
1173
0:57:51 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]e.
1174
0:57:52 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]udy with Uppsala University in Sweden
1175
0:57:56 --> 0:58:00
showing that mothers who'd experienced measles infection,
1176
0:58:00 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ion during pregnancy
1177
0:58:03 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]en who later in life
1178
0:58:07 --> 0:58:09
had severe Crohn's disease.
1179
0:58:09 --> 0:58:13
And it was something like the odds were about 6 million to one
1180
0:58:13 --> 0:58:15
that this was a chance finding.
1181
0:58:15 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] measles during pregnancy
1182
0:58:18 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]e had had it as a child.
1183
0:58:23 --> 0:58:26
And there were four cases in central Sweden
1184
0:58:26 --> 0:58:28
during the 10 year part-time period we looked at.
1185
0:58:28 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]en developed severe Crohn's disease.
1186
0:58:32 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]inary finding.
1187
0:58:34 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ion,
1188
0:58:37 --> 0:58:41
well, is single measles vaccine an atypical pattern
1189
0:58:41 --> 0:58:43
of exposure that increases the risk?
1190
0:58:43 --> 0:58:46
We published a paper in the Lancet,
1191
0:58:46 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]udy using the British childhood,
1192
0:58:51 --> 0:58:55
the BCS 70, British childhood study 1970,
1193
0:58:55 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]en born in one week of one year,
1194
0:58:57 --> 0:59:01
we showed a six fold increase risk of Crohn's
1195
0:59:01 --> 0:59:06
if you had measles vaccine compared with natural measles.
1196
0:59:06 --> 0:59:09
And so this was already, you know,
1197
0:59:09 --> 0:59:11
the idea that this was something environmental,
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0:59:11 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]ious and that it may be
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0:59:14 --> 0:59:15
an atypical pattern of exposure
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0:59:15 --> 0:59:20
to a common pathogen like measles was already on the cards.
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0:59:21 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]e don't want to look at it now
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0:59:23 --> 0:59:25
in terms of what is causing this,
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0:59:25 --> 0:59:30
because it takes the lid off that very, very, very
1204
0:59:31 --> 0:59:33
uncomfortable and precarious possibility
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0:59:33 --> 0:59:35
that this may be causing it.
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0:59:35 --> 0:59:38
The Mayo Clinic did a follow-up study and confirmed
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0:59:38 --> 0:59:42
that it was the same association, younger age of exposure.
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0:59:42 --> 0:59:43
So there was something there,
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0:59:43 --> 0:59:47
but the whole research program was killed, dead.
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0:59:47 --> 0:59:49
And nobody ever wanted to go back and look at it again
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0:59:49 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]ications for their careers.
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Hmm. Thank you.
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0:59:56 --> 0:59:58
Thank you, Cordelia.
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0:59:58 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ened to experts
1215
1:00:00 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
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1:00:02 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ein, before we get to you,
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1:00:05 --> 1:00:07
Ryan has got an issue.
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1:00:07 --> 1:00:09
He's got to be quick and he has to go.
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1:00:09 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ion Canada.
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1:00:12 --> 1:00:13
Go, Ryan.
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1:00:14 --> 1:00:15
Hello, Dr. Wakefield.
1222
1:00:15 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to thank you.
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1:00:17 --> 1:00:21
Fortunately, in the 1980s,
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1:00:21 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ure by G. Edward Griffin
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1:00:24 --> 1:00:26
about the politics of cancer therapy,
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1:00:26 --> 1:00:29
which I put in the chat, which outlines the why
1227
1:00:29 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]elia asked and the why that many people will ask
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1:00:33 --> 1:00:37
because it's a business and because they have no conscious.
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1:00:37 --> 1:00:39
So no conscience.
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1:00:39 --> 1:00:39
So it's very easy.
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1:00:39 --> 1:00:43
There's also a book put out by a French Canadian doctor,
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1:00:43 --> 1:00:46
which I put in the chat called the Medical Mafia.
1233
1:00:46 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]em works
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1:00:49 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]em,
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1:00:51 --> 1:00:54
whether it's the British Medical Journal
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1:00:54 --> 1:00:58
or the World Health Organization or the UN
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1:00:58 --> 1:01:01
or whatever it is that the tentacles work together.
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1:01:01 --> 1:01:04
So I wanted to thank you because of your work, Dr. Wakefield,
1239
1:01:04 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]en for anything.
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1:01:08 --> 1:01:11
And they are 20 and 22 years old
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1:01:11 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] had no health issues at all.
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1:01:14 --> 1:01:15
So I wanted to thank you.
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1:01:15 --> 1:01:17
And it's partially because of that
1244
1:01:17 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ion Canada
1245
1:01:20 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]e of years ago to deal with the COVID scam
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1:01:24 --> 1:01:28
or scandemic as we like to call it.
1247
1:01:28 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] want to let you know that we've launched
1248
1:01:31 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] of the group called
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1:01:33 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ice for the Vaccinated,
1250
1:01:35 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ivism, a keto,
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1:01:39 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ually turn it around
1252
1:01:41 --> 1:01:44
because we've all been talking about what about my rights?
1253
1:01:44 --> 1:01:45
What about my needs?
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1:01:45 --> 1:01:46
What about my family?
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1:01:46 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]y?
1256
1:01:48 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]e
1257
1:01:49 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] taken this vaccine
1258
1:01:51 --> 1:01:54
through coercion, misinformation or other means
1259
1:01:54 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ice for the vaccinated,
1260
1:01:56 --> 1:01:57
which I'll put in there,
1261
1:01:57 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]and what has happened
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1:02:00 --> 1:02:04
and the degree of fraud that's happened.
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1:02:04 --> 1:02:06
So I want to thank you for your work.
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1:02:06 --> 1:02:08
The sacrifice has been greater
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1:02:08 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]and
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1:02:10 --> 1:02:11
in terms of the personal attacks.
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1:02:11 --> 1:02:13
And I've been following you for a number of years.
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1:02:13 --> 1:02:16
And I really want to appreciate you
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1:02:16 --> 1:02:18
and your commitment to what you've done.
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1:02:18 --> 1:02:20
So thank you very much.
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1:02:20 --> 1:02:22
Thank you very much indeed.
1272
1:02:22 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction],
1273
1:02:23 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ion for Canada.
1274
1:02:25 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]udying
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1:02:28 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]antation
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1:02:30 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ant surgeon at Toronto General Hospital
1277
1:02:33 --> 1:02:36
and the University of Toronto.
1278
1:02:36 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ion for Canada
1279
1:02:39 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]y troubled by what you're going through there.
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1:02:43 --> 1:02:44
Thank you.
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1:02:44 --> 1:02:46
Yeah, we're all so deeply troubled.
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1:02:46 --> 1:02:48
And so we're on the front lines
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1:02:49 --> 1:02:50
as you saw the truckers revolt.
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1:02:50 --> 1:02:54
It's now turned into the farmers revolt in the Netherlands
1285
1:02:54 --> 1:02:57
and will soon turn into a worldwide revolt
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1:02:57 --> 1:03:01
where the 99% of us that, or 99.9% of us
1287
1:03:01 --> 1:03:04
that aren't pulling the strings and defrauding people
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1:03:04 --> 1:03:08
will take back control and you're 100% part of that solution.
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1:03:08 --> 1:03:10
So thanks again.
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1:03:10 --> 1:03:12
Put the links on the chat.
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1:03:12 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction] all the links
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1:03:14 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction] the chat after the call.
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1:03:17 --> 1:03:18
Thanks Charles for organizing.
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1:03:18 --> 1:03:20
Ryan, can I ask you to email me?
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1:03:22 --> 1:03:23
Yes, Stephen, if you wanna put,
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1:03:23 --> 1:03:27
I'll put my email in the chat and you can send me an email
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1:03:27 --> 1:03:29
and I'll answer for sure.
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1:03:29 --> 1:03:30
Okay, thank you.
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1:03:30 --> 1:03:32
Yep, we're all gonna, just put your email, Ryan.
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1:03:32 --> 1:03:33
Thank you, thank you for that.
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1:03:33 --> 1:03:35
Thank you for being efficient, Gary.
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1:03:35 --> 1:03:37
So Ryan, well done on your work.
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1:03:37 --> 1:03:41
And Andy, this is a beautiful example to all of us,
1304
1:03:41 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction] that each one of you are having
1305
1:03:44 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction] and you never know.
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1:03:46 --> 1:03:47
And Andy, you didn't realize this impact
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1:03:47 --> 1:03:49
that you had on Ryan Penn, did you?
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1:03:49 --> 1:03:53
22 years down the track, but Mark Sexton,
1309
1:03:53 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
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1:03:54 --> 1:03:57
So welcome to your life.
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1:03:57 --> 1:03:59
We should make a movie of this.
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1:03:59 --> 1:04:00
Andy, this is your life.
1313
1:04:00 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ein, who is from the UK and a,
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1:04:05 --> 1:04:09
guys, I'm not, a actuary, correct?
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1:04:09 --> 1:04:09
Yeah, that's right.
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1:04:11 --> 1:04:13
Yeah, that's right, I'm an actuary and a statistician.
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1:04:13 --> 1:04:16
So I'm sitting in a dark balcony in Portugal
1318
1:04:16 --> 1:04:20
at the moment, so sorry if you can't see me.
1319
1:04:21 --> 1:04:25
So Andy, yeah, I look like everybody else before me.
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1:04:26 --> 1:04:28
Well done.
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1:04:28 --> 1:04:30
You know, you're right when you say,
1322
1:04:30 --> 1:04:33
it's not about ourselves, there is a bigger picture,
1323
1:04:33 --> 1:04:34
but it is also about you.
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1:04:34 --> 1:04:38
And some of us do care.
1325
1:04:38 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] say upfront, you know,
1326
1:04:42 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] to follow what was going on at the time,
1327
1:04:46 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]s a bit skeptical.
1328
1:04:49 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ician.
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1:04:50 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ician to,
1330
1:04:54 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] to make,
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1:04:57 --> 1:05:01
help make a case that things are clear, you know,
1332
1:05:01 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]ics.
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1:05:02 --> 1:05:05
It's not that having a vaccine will guarantee
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1:05:05 --> 1:05:07
that somebody will get ill.
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1:05:07 --> 1:05:10
It's really about the risks and the odds being greater
1336
1:05:10 --> 1:05:11
than if you didn't.
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1:05:13 --> 1:05:16
I'm there to help if ever you need help for that skill set.
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1:05:17 --> 1:05:22
Like you, I come from a family of doctors and physicians
1339
1:05:22 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]s and you name it, all sorts of specialists.
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1:05:26 --> 1:05:30
I'm curious if your own children have continued
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1:05:30 --> 1:05:31
your family tradition.
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1:05:31 --> 1:05:33
That's just a matter of curiosity.
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1:05:33 --> 1:05:34
That's all there is to it.
1344
1:05:35 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]ions,
1345
1:05:37 --> 1:05:40
but you know, some of those questions have been answered,
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1:05:40 --> 1:05:41
especially your comment.
1347
1:05:41 --> 1:05:44
I was gonna ask you when you said your paper at the time,
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1:05:46 --> 1:05:47
you know, argued for further work,
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1:05:47 --> 1:05:50
but I think you answered it later when,
1350
1:05:51 --> 1:05:56
the point being it's really about privacy and risk signals.
1351
1:05:56 --> 1:06:00
And yeah, the cancel culture has become, you know,
1352
1:06:00 --> 1:06:03
I was very suspicious back then.
1353
1:06:03 --> 1:06:06
It's become very obvious now.
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1:06:06 --> 1:06:09
So I guess there's a lot of people coming out
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1:06:09 --> 1:06:12
of the woodwork who are willing to be friendly,
1356
1:06:12 --> 1:06:16
but you know, good for you,
1357
1:06:16 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]ralia.
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1:06:18 --> 1:06:19
Thank you very much.
1359
1:06:19 --> 1:06:21
Let me not ramble, I know there's a lot of people.
1360
1:06:22 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction] not gone into medicine.
1361
1:06:26 --> 1:06:28
After looking at what happened to me,
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1:06:28 --> 1:06:30
they didn't think that was a wise career choice.
1363
1:06:31 --> 1:06:36
Many of my brothers and my cousins, nephews,
1364
1:06:37 --> 1:06:39
they're all in the medical profession,
1365
1:06:40 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction] been remarkably supportive
1366
1:06:43 --> 1:06:47
and remain healthy and not having been vaccinated,
1367
1:06:47 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction] shots
1368
1:06:50 --> 1:06:51
when we didn't have this information,
1369
1:06:51 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]en are well as well.
1370
1:06:57 --> 1:06:57
That's great.
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1:06:57 --> 1:07:00
Look, and please, if you want a statistician
1372
1:07:00 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]uary ever, you know, Stephen will help you find me.
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1:07:04 --> 1:07:05
There's a group of doctors-
1374
1:07:05 --> 1:07:08
Yes, Gary, could you email me and I'll-
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1:07:08 --> 1:07:10
I'll put you in contact.
1376
1:07:10 --> 1:07:13
Yeah, there's a group of doctors in Recife, Brazil
1377
1:07:13 --> 1:07:15
that I helped them put together a dossier
1378
1:07:15 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]oxychloroquine was gonna get outlawed
1379
1:07:18 --> 1:07:21
and that I'm told was very helpful
1380
1:07:21 --> 1:07:25
and that decision got reversed within two weeks.
1381
1:07:25 --> 1:07:26
Wonderful, wonderful.
1382
1:07:26 --> 1:07:28
Well done, thank you.
1383
1:07:28 --> 1:07:30
Gary, great work, great work.
1384
1:07:30 --> 1:07:34
And you know, that offer, Andy, please note,
1385
1:07:34 --> 1:07:38
and all of us note, if we need a statistician, analyst,
1386
1:07:38 --> 1:07:41
Gary could be a wonderful resource for us.
1387
1:07:41 --> 1:07:42
Thank you, Gary.
1388
1:07:44 --> 1:07:47
Next is Peter Huger from Wales,
1389
1:07:47 --> 1:07:49
a lawyer, ex-police officer,
1390
1:07:49 --> 1:07:52
and general troublemaker here, Andy.
1391
1:07:53 --> 1:07:55
No, he's not a troublemaker.
1392
1:07:57 --> 1:08:00
I think you're right in the first instance.
1393
1:08:00 --> 1:08:04
Yeah, just one point, Andrew, before anything.
1394
1:08:04 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] of all, like everybody else here,
1395
1:08:07 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]ry admirable, your words inspirational,
1396
1:08:11 --> 1:08:13
and also emotional.
1397
1:08:13 --> 1:08:16
When you began speaking, it just hit me,
1398
1:08:16 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]rength of character
1399
1:08:18 --> 1:08:20
to carry on the fight that it seems
1400
1:08:20 --> 1:08:22
we're all embroiled in now.
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1:08:23 --> 1:08:25
Agreed.
1402
1:08:25 --> 1:08:26
Yeah, we are not alone.
1403
1:08:27 --> 1:08:29
So thank you, Andrew.
1404
1:08:29 --> 1:08:32
Now, understanding now how the co-opting of Murdoch
1405
1:08:32 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] of GSK and the subsequent effect
1406
1:08:36 --> 1:08:40
on medical research via MSM truth terrorism,
1407
1:08:40 --> 1:08:43
it's easy to see how government have developed this further
1408
1:08:43 --> 1:08:47
as you know, as a form of control via MSM
1409
1:08:47 --> 1:08:49
and indeed on social media in the UK
1410
1:08:49 --> 1:08:53
via the military 77th Brigade and 13 signals.
1411
1:08:53 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]e on social media.
1412
1:08:57 --> 1:09:00
When you challenge them, they just disappear.
1413
1:09:00 --> 1:09:03
So the UK government behavioral insight team,
1414
1:09:03 --> 1:09:04
we probably all know here
1415
1:09:04 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ics
1416
1:09:07 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]e to take the job, et cetera.
1417
1:09:09 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ion here
1418
1:09:12 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] comments from you.
1419
1:09:15 --> 1:09:17
To your mind, is there any way of beating
1420
1:09:17 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]em at present?
1421
1:09:22 --> 1:09:25
You've been embroiled in this over the years.
1422
1:09:25 --> 1:09:28
Secondly, having had a cast iron case myself refused
1423
1:09:28 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] the judiciary,
1424
1:09:31 --> 1:09:34
can you see any hope for the judiciary here
1425
1:09:35 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]anding up?
1426
1:09:37 --> 1:09:40
Because if Reiner can't get it through,
1427
1:09:40 --> 1:09:44
it's really hard for smaller lawyers to get anywhere.
1428
1:09:44 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ly, how do we win this war in your opinion?
1429
1:09:47 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] getting the 99% on board?
1430
1:09:51 --> 1:09:53
And as a corollary to all of that,
1431
1:09:53 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] the police
1432
1:09:56 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] targets that wrecked the police
1433
1:09:59 --> 1:10:02
in Britain and also the judiciary,
1434
1:10:02 --> 1:10:04
two friends separately said to me,
1435
1:10:04 --> 1:10:07
Peter, there's no point in winning the battle
1436
1:10:07 --> 1:10:09
and losing the war.
1437
1:10:09 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]ened to them for a while,
1438
1:10:10 --> 1:10:14
but then I realized keeping my integrity was the war
1439
1:10:14 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]ances was just the battle.
1440
1:10:18 --> 1:10:21
And that's what you've done, my friend, and thank you.
1441
1:10:21 --> 1:10:22
Thank you very much.
1442
1:10:22 --> 1:10:23
Brilliant.
1443
1:10:23 --> 1:10:25
No, very well put.
1444
1:10:26 --> 1:10:27
Yes, we can win.
1445
1:10:27 --> 1:10:29
It may sound bizarre, but we can.
1446
1:10:29 --> 1:10:31
And we are a majority now.
1447
1:10:31 --> 1:10:36
In this country, we have a podcast, Joe Rogan.
1448
1:10:37 --> 1:10:41
Joe Rogan has 8 million followers every show.
1449
1:10:41 --> 1:10:44
He has gone from being on the side of pro-vaccine
1450
1:10:44 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]etely now.
1451
1:10:47 --> 1:10:49
He's realized what's going on.
1452
1:10:49 --> 1:10:52
He was a sort of professional fighter
1453
1:10:52 --> 1:10:54
and he's an extraordinary guy.
1454
1:10:54 --> 1:10:56
But the important things about Joe Rogan
1455
1:10:56 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ly bigger than CNN.
1456
1:11:02 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ream media is becoming less and less relevant
1457
1:11:05 --> 1:11:06
by the day.
1458
1:11:06 --> 1:11:09
And the alternative media,
1459
1:11:09 --> 1:11:12
which they're finding increasingly difficult to control,
1460
1:11:12 --> 1:11:13
is becoming bigger.
1461
1:11:13 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] a rapidly growing majority.
1462
1:11:18 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] a majority that is growing,
1463
1:11:21 --> 1:11:23
one, because people are realizing what's happening,
1464
1:11:23 --> 1:11:25
and two, because they're getting,
1465
1:11:25 --> 1:11:26
sadly, they're getting injured
1466
1:11:26 --> 1:11:28
and their family members are getting injured.
1467
1:11:28 --> 1:11:31
And they now know that this vaccine doesn't do
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1:11:31 --> 1:11:33
all the things that they were told it would do.
1469
1:11:35 --> 1:11:36
The only thing it has done is make
1470
1:11:36 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ry a lot of money.
1471
1:11:38 --> 1:11:39
So yes, we can win,
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1:11:39 --> 1:11:42
but we really, really have to apply ourselves.
1473
1:11:42 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] to be overcome.
1474
1:11:44 --> 1:11:47
In this country, what we need to do,
1475
1:11:47 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]e,
1476
1:11:48 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]-to-consumer advertising
1477
1:11:52 --> 1:11:54
in the media of the pharmaceuticals.
1478
1:11:54 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ed States of America.
1479
1:11:58 --> 1:12:01
By doing that, you see what has happened.
1480
1:12:01 --> 1:12:04
I don't believe that these drug companies
1481
1:12:04 --> 1:12:07
go on those, advertise on television,
1482
1:12:07 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ugs.
1483
1:12:09 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]s, it's laughable.
1484
1:12:12 --> 1:12:15
But they do it because what it allows them to do
1485
1:12:15 --> 1:12:16
is to control the media.
1486
1:12:16 --> 1:12:19
The media, CNN, MSNBC,
1487
1:12:19 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]e become dependent for their lifestyle,
1488
1:12:23 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ence on the income
1489
1:12:25 --> 1:12:27
that they get from the pharmaceutical companies,
1490
1:12:27 --> 1:12:29
which is, in a non-election year,
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1:12:29 --> 1:12:34
75 to 80% of their income comes from the drug companies.
1492
1:12:34 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction],
1493
1:12:36 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction] got to go back
1494
1:12:39 --> 1:12:43
to being a media company, presenting the news,
1495
1:12:43 --> 1:12:44
not a biased view of the world
1496
1:12:44 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ive of the pharmaceutical industry.
1497
1:12:47 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]amatically.
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1:12:49 --> 1:12:52
That kind of thing, it's just one example
1499
1:12:52 --> 1:12:53
of what could happen.
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1:12:53 --> 1:12:55
You need to give liability back
1501
1:12:55 --> 1:12:58
to the pharmaceutical companies and dismantle
1502
1:12:58 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] it
1503
1:13:02 --> 1:13:03
to do what it was meant to do,
1504
1:13:03 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] this liability protection.
1505
1:13:07 --> 1:13:09
They need to be responsible.
1506
1:13:09 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]amatic shift
1507
1:13:11 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] things were done.
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1:13:13 --> 1:13:15
So there are things that can be done.
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1:13:17 --> 1:13:20
And that's really just from one perspective,
1510
1:13:20 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]ive, the legal perspective.
1511
1:13:23 --> 1:13:25
There are many, many things that can be done
1512
1:13:25 --> 1:13:27
and things that are being done.
1513
1:13:27 --> 1:13:29
In the end, it comes down to the majority,
1514
1:13:29 --> 1:13:30
and it's gonna be a big majority,
1515
1:13:30 --> 1:13:33
and we will control things, and they are terrified.
1516
1:13:33 --> 1:13:36
They are absolutely terrified right now.
1517
1:13:36 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]e,
1518
1:13:37 --> 1:13:42
vaccination should be a public health policy
1519
1:13:42 --> 1:13:45
that is based in the public confidence,
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1:13:45 --> 1:13:46
the consumer's confidence,
1521
1:13:46 --> 1:13:49
in the safety and efficacy of the vaccine.
1522
1:13:49 --> 1:13:51
That is long gone, that confidence is gone.
1523
1:13:51 --> 1:13:53
And when that confidence is gone,
1524
1:13:53 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] left is force.
1525
1:13:56 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]roying the lives of doctors
1526
1:13:59 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]s, taking away their careers,
1527
1:14:00 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] from their parents,
1528
1:14:02 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]en in public and private school
1529
1:14:06 --> 1:14:07
to get the vaccines.
1530
1:14:07 --> 1:14:11
Any number of coercive policies, that is a road to nowhere.
1531
1:14:11 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]e of their failure,
1532
1:14:16 --> 1:14:17
not of their success.
1533
1:14:17 --> 1:14:20
So yes, we are winning and they are desperate.
1534
1:14:20 --> 1:14:22
We need to appreciate that.
1535
1:14:22 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] the opportunity,
1536
1:14:25 --> 1:14:27
because if we lose it,
1537
1:14:27 --> 1:14:29
then we've lost it for a very, very long time.
1538
1:14:29 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]
1539
1:14:31 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]e like you,
1540
1:14:33 --> 1:14:36
we're growing in number by the day.
1541
1:14:36 --> 1:14:39
And I gather you've got new people signing up just today,
1542
1:14:39 --> 1:14:43
then it is going to change.
1543
1:14:43 --> 1:14:48
But courage, we will provide.
1544
1:14:48 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ew, are you guessing that they're terrified?
1545
1:14:50 --> 1:14:53
Or I can't remember which word you used.
1546
1:14:53 --> 1:14:55
Are you guessing that they're terrified?
1547
1:14:55 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]s that they're terrified?
1548
1:15:00 --> 1:15:02
I know from having dealt with public health
1549
1:15:02 --> 1:15:04
for a very long time,
1550
1:15:04 --> 1:15:07
having initially tried years ago to deal with the likes
1551
1:15:07 --> 1:15:10
of the Public Health Laboratory Service and David Salisbury,
1552
1:15:11 --> 1:15:15
there is a thin veneer of confidence,
1553
1:15:15 --> 1:15:18
but there is underlying that absolute,
1554
1:15:18 --> 1:15:20
they're terrified that they're losing.
1555
1:15:20 --> 1:15:22
And it's quite clear,
1556
1:15:22 --> 1:15:23
and if there was a proceeding
1557
1:15:23 --> 1:15:25
of the World Health Organization,
1558
1:15:25 --> 1:15:30
where the girl from the London School of Hygiene
1559
1:15:30 --> 1:15:32
and Tropical Medicine who is in charge of their sort
1560
1:15:32 --> 1:15:37
of think tank of how to persuade the unwilling,
1561
1:15:37 --> 1:15:39
how to get them to vaccinate,
1562
1:15:39 --> 1:15:40
then she really said,
1563
1:15:40 --> 1:15:43
we've become a vaccine dependent world.
1564
1:15:43 --> 1:15:46
We've lost the confidence of the public.
1565
1:15:46 --> 1:15:47
They don't believe us anymore.
1566
1:15:47 --> 1:15:48
What are we going to do about it?
1567
1:15:48 --> 1:15:52
And I think that that really is a public reflection
1568
1:15:52 --> 1:15:55
of something that is far worse below the surface.
1569
1:15:55 --> 1:16:00
So, yes, I think it's based upon my,
1570
1:16:00 --> 1:16:02
I don't sit in meetings with these people,
1571
1:16:02 --> 1:16:05
but otherwise I'm fairly confident.
1572
1:16:05 --> 1:16:07
I'm very confident knowing them as I do,
1573
1:16:07 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction],
1574
1:16:09 --> 1:16:11
they know they've lost the COVID war.
1575
1:16:11 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]e don't trust them anymore.
1576
1:16:14 --> 1:16:16
They know that it's one of the biggest mistakes they've made.
1577
1:16:16 --> 1:16:19
All they can do is double down
1578
1:16:19 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]e to get it,
1579
1:16:21 --> 1:16:24
but it's another failure.
1580
1:16:24 --> 1:16:28
And every time another person joins your ranks
1581
1:16:28 --> 1:16:30
or another someone like Peter McCullough stands up
1582
1:16:30 --> 1:16:32
and says, actually,
1583
1:16:32 --> 1:16:34
I'm one of the most published scientists in the world
1584
1:16:34 --> 1:16:36
and this is garbage.
1585
1:16:36 --> 1:16:40
Then they fall a little further apart.
1586
1:16:40 --> 1:16:45
So, yeah, I think you can take it that they are struggling.
1587
1:16:47 --> 1:16:50
That is well expressed.
1588
1:16:50 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ion, Stephen.
1589
1:16:51 --> 1:16:55
Now, Andy, we have not Gerard Waters,
1590
1:16:55 --> 1:16:57
but Gerry Waters from Ireland.
1591
1:16:57 --> 1:17:00
Gerry, give us a quick, quick snapshot.
1592
1:17:00 --> 1:17:02
Don't go too much into your story,
1593
1:17:02 --> 1:17:04
but Gerry's in trouble with the authorities,
1594
1:17:04 --> 1:17:05
aren't you, Gerry? Tell Andy.
1595
1:17:06 --> 1:17:10
I, yes, you could consider I'm in trouble
1596
1:17:10 --> 1:17:11
with the authorities.
1597
1:17:11 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]ruck off the medical council,
1598
1:17:15 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]er in March of 21
1599
1:17:21 --> 1:17:23
for my refusal to go along with the COVID hoax
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1:17:23 --> 1:17:25
and my refusal to give the vaccine.
1601
1:17:25 --> 1:17:29
I wasn't quite demonised the way you were, Andy.
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1:17:29 --> 1:17:33
And incidentally, Andy, again, I'd like to congratulate you.
1603
1:17:33 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction] been,
1604
1:17:35 --> 1:17:38
you've been a shining star to so many people.
1605
1:17:41 --> 1:17:44
There are a number of points that you make
1606
1:17:44 --> 1:17:49
and it's interesting that you become a film maker.
1607
1:17:50 --> 1:17:52
When you were going through,
1608
1:17:52 --> 1:17:53
I'm a couple of years ahead of you,
1609
1:17:53 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]e of years ahead of you
1610
1:17:55 --> 1:18:00
and I watched your case.
1611
1:18:01 --> 1:18:06
You, I remember thinking at the time,
1612
1:18:06 --> 1:18:11
it was a bit like the witch scene from Monty Python.
1613
1:18:14 --> 1:18:15
Oh, but she had the witch's nose.
1614
1:18:15 --> 1:18:16
Yes, you stuck it on.
1615
1:18:16 --> 1:18:17
She's got a wart.
1616
1:18:17 --> 1:18:19
Yeah, you stuck it on.
1617
1:18:19 --> 1:18:23
Does she float or what floats, ducks?
1618
1:18:23 --> 1:18:25
It's very much like that.
1619
1:18:25 --> 1:18:28
They, in your case, they made up,
1620
1:18:29 --> 1:18:31
they turned you into a witch.
1621
1:18:31 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]uck the witch's hat on you.
1622
1:18:34 --> 1:18:37
And I'm sure you're familiar with that witch scene
1623
1:18:37 --> 1:18:38
in Monty Python.
1624
1:18:38 --> 1:18:40
It is indeed, yeah.
1625
1:18:40 --> 1:18:41
Yeah.
1626
1:18:41 --> 1:18:44
And the wise knight comes along
1627
1:18:44 --> 1:18:46
who's just as about as ridiculous,
1628
1:18:46 --> 1:18:49
which I would compare to the medical council.
1629
1:18:49 --> 1:18:52
Now you say that they're terrified.
1630
1:18:52 --> 1:18:54
I know they're terrified.
1631
1:18:54 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]ruck off
1632
1:18:56 --> 1:18:59
or temporarily suspended 18 months ago.
1633
1:18:59 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]n't brought me before a full hearing.
1634
1:19:05 --> 1:19:07
I was fortunate.
1635
1:19:07 --> 1:19:10
I was fortunate a week ago to spend some time.
1636
1:19:10 --> 1:19:14
I spent a day and a half with such luminaries
1637
1:19:14 --> 1:19:16
as Ryan Cole and Robert Malone.
1638
1:19:16 --> 1:19:19
And I got a reassurance from these men
1639
1:19:19 --> 1:19:22
that these guys will come as witnesses in my case,
1640
1:19:22 --> 1:19:25
when I go before the medical council.
1641
1:19:25 --> 1:19:29
If anybody's met Ryan Cole or Robert Malone personally,
1642
1:19:29 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]e.
1643
1:19:35 --> 1:19:37
Jerry, don't forget to spend some time with me too, right?
1644
1:19:37 --> 1:19:38
Oh, yeah.
1645
1:19:38 --> 1:19:39
Yeah.
1646
1:19:41 --> 1:19:43
And that, you know, you, I think you'd agree
1647
1:19:43 --> 1:19:46
that was a fabulous time we had.
1648
1:19:46 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]e of days or day and a half,
1649
1:19:50 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction] with these guys and singing.
1650
1:19:55 --> 1:19:58
I think some of them sang until four o'clock at night.
1651
1:19:58 --> 1:20:01
I bailed out at one o'clock.
1652
1:20:01 --> 1:20:06
But these are great guys, but very, very formidable
1653
1:20:06 --> 1:20:08
and women of course, gay.
1654
1:20:08 --> 1:20:11
But so what I'm saying is these people
1655
1:20:11 --> 1:20:13
are really, really frightened.
1656
1:20:13 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] these, what they call call over meetings with them
1657
1:20:18 --> 1:20:21
and they don't like dealing with me
1658
1:20:21 --> 1:20:24
because I don't, I'm not legally represented
1659
1:20:25 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]
1660
1:20:26 --> 1:20:29
because I can go to the call over meetings myself
1661
1:20:29 --> 1:20:32
and I'm not being hamstrung by the solicitors,
1662
1:20:32 --> 1:20:34
who as it turns out,
1663
1:20:34 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ablishment anyway.
1664
1:20:37 --> 1:20:38
But there's, pardon that,
1665
1:20:38 --> 1:20:41
there's one or two actual questions I'd like to ask.
1666
1:20:41 --> 1:20:45
Did the vaccines, those MMRs that I was instrumental
1667
1:20:45 --> 1:20:46
on my nurse, I gave them,
1668
1:20:46 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] over the 40 year period,
1669
1:20:49 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ually do any good or did they all do harm?
1670
1:20:53 --> 1:20:58
Like, am I as culpable now for giving those MMR vaccines
1671
1:20:59 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]icit in the COVID-19 crime?
1672
1:21:08 --> 1:21:10
No, you're not, not at all.
1673
1:21:12 --> 1:21:15
Again, let me answer that.
1674
1:21:15 --> 1:21:17
It's an extremely important question,
1675
1:21:17 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]er perspective
1676
1:21:20 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]
1677
1:21:24 --> 1:21:28
culpable and I qualify that by saying my children,
1678
1:21:28 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]en, first two, I've got four,
1679
1:21:31 --> 1:21:33
had MMR vaccine, I did not know.
1680
1:21:33 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction], I should have known,
1681
1:21:35 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]igated before, but I didn't.
1682
1:21:38 --> 1:21:41
And that's so, if you're culpable, so am I.
1683
1:21:41 --> 1:21:46
But measles vaccine has,
1684
1:21:46 --> 1:21:49
measles up until [privacy contact redaction]en
1685
1:21:49 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]ern countries,
1686
1:21:52 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]en would die during epidemics.
1687
1:21:56 --> 1:21:59
Beyond that point, there was a precipitous fall
1688
1:21:59 --> 1:22:03
in case fatality rate, such that by the time the vaccine,
1689
1:22:03 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] introduced
1690
1:22:06 --> 1:22:11
in the 1960s, there had been a 99.96% reduction
1691
1:22:12 --> 1:22:13
in case fatality.
1692
1:22:13 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]s, in a very short space of time,
1693
1:22:17 --> 1:22:21
measles was becoming a milder and milder disease.
1694
1:22:21 --> 1:22:25
If we'd done nothing, that curve would have decayed to zero.
1695
1:22:25 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] been nothing more than a mild cold.
1696
1:22:29 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]y.
1697
1:22:32 --> 1:22:36
That was because one, exposure protects for life
1698
1:22:36 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]e who are older getting measles
1699
1:22:38 --> 1:22:40
in whom the mortality is greater.
1700
1:22:40 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] had natural measles
1701
1:22:45 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]y to their babies
1702
1:22:47 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] milk and transpositively,
1703
1:22:50 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ed babies under the age of one.
1704
1:22:52 --> 1:22:54
So at those two extremes of life,
1705
1:22:54 --> 1:22:58
where mortality was greater, much greater,
1706
1:22:58 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] immunity.
1707
1:23:01 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]royed that.
1708
1:23:03 --> 1:23:06
We were promised one shot, leads to lifelong immunity.
1709
1:23:06 --> 1:23:07
It doesn't.
1710
1:23:07 --> 1:23:09
It wanes really rather quickly,
1711
1:23:09 --> 1:23:12
and we're now up to two, three, four doses,
1712
1:23:12 --> 1:23:13
and it's still falling off.
1713
1:23:14 --> 1:23:17
So now we are susceptible to measles again as adults
1714
1:23:17 --> 1:23:19
where it's more dangerous.
1715
1:23:19 --> 1:23:23
Mothers who've had measles, who had measles vaccine,
1716
1:23:23 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]y to their babies.
1717
1:23:25 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]ed
1718
1:23:27 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] year of life.
1719
1:23:28 --> 1:23:32
So measles has become a more dangerous disease
1720
1:23:32 --> 1:23:35
precisely because of vaccination.
1721
1:23:35 --> 1:23:40
So globally, yes, our giving the measles vaccine
1722
1:23:40 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]rophe in effect
1723
1:23:44 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] immunity.
1724
1:23:48 --> 1:23:50
But at an individual level, no,
1725
1:23:50 --> 1:23:54
you cannot be held any more culpable than I was
1726
1:23:54 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]igating it before giving it to my children.
1727
1:23:59 --> 1:24:04
Another thing, you say that, you know,
1728
1:24:04 --> 1:24:07
this isn't about you, this isn't about me.
1729
1:24:07 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] of the matter is, it is about me.
1730
1:24:10 --> 1:24:12
The medical council came after me.
1731
1:24:12 --> 1:24:14
They wanted my head on a spike.
1732
1:24:14 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]e, which they took,
1733
1:24:17 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]e to other GPs, it ended up,
1734
1:24:20 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]ined like that.
1735
1:24:23 --> 1:24:26
I don't know exactly how the other disciplines went,
1736
1:24:26 --> 1:24:29
but I know that I was the only one that actually ended up
1737
1:24:29 --> 1:24:33
with my career taken off me and totally demonized.
1738
1:24:34 --> 1:24:36
It is, it's not about me.
1739
1:24:36 --> 1:24:38
This is much, much bigger than me.
1740
1:24:38 --> 1:24:39
It's much, much bigger than you.
1741
1:24:39 --> 1:24:42
It's much, much bigger than the [privacy contact redaction]e that are here.
1742
1:24:42 --> 1:24:43
But at the end of the day,
1743
1:24:43 --> 1:24:46
somebody has to be the point of the shaft.
1744
1:24:47 --> 1:24:49
Or has to be the point of the spear.
1745
1:24:49 --> 1:24:51
I don't mind being the point of the spear,
1746
1:24:51 --> 1:24:53
but I need a shaft behind me.
1747
1:24:54 --> 1:24:58
A spear is absolutely useless unless it's got a shaft.
1748
1:24:58 --> 1:25:01
Otherwise it's only a blade, a little blade.
1749
1:25:01 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]e.
1750
1:25:03 --> 1:25:05
I don't mind.
1751
1:25:05 --> 1:25:07
I don't mind going in and facing the medical council.
1752
1:25:07 --> 1:25:09
I don't mind going giving talks.
1753
1:25:09 --> 1:25:14
But at the end of the day, it needs a really, the solution.
1754
1:25:14 --> 1:25:19
And the winning of this battle and this film
1755
1:25:19 --> 1:25:22
that you will eventually make about COVID-19
1756
1:25:22 --> 1:25:25
will be won on the basis of the masses,
1757
1:25:25 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]e coming in behind us.
1758
1:25:28 --> 1:25:29
But at the end of the day,
1759
1:25:29 --> 1:25:33
there has to be a point on the spear.
1760
1:25:33 --> 1:25:35
I didn't choose to be the point on the spear.
1761
1:25:35 --> 1:25:37
They chose me as the point on the spear.
1762
1:25:38 --> 1:25:40
So another thing that I want to ask you,
1763
1:25:40 --> 1:25:41
every time I hear,
1764
1:25:41 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]inal surgeon,
1765
1:25:45 --> 1:25:48
it brings me back to the ideas of intussusception.
1766
1:25:50 --> 1:25:51
You remember intussusception?
1767
1:25:51 --> 1:25:53
Oh yes, I do. Absolutely, yes.
1768
1:25:54 --> 1:25:59
It seems to be what I remember of pediatric surgery.
1769
1:25:59 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]arted training in surgery.
1770
1:26:02 --> 1:26:07
But was there a viral association with intussusception?
1771
1:26:08 --> 1:26:09
Yes, there was.
1772
1:26:09 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction], there's been a vaccine association.
1773
1:26:13 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]e, for the people who don't know,
1774
1:26:15 --> 1:26:18
intussusception is where the lymph glands,
1775
1:26:18 --> 1:26:20
particularly in the terminal ilium,
1776
1:26:20 --> 1:26:22
the end of the small bowel becomes so enlarged,
1777
1:26:22 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ion,
1778
1:26:25 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ine treats them like a bolus of food
1779
1:26:28 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ags them along and the bowel telescopes on itself
1780
1:26:32 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]s and it becomes a surgical emergency.
1781
1:26:38 --> 1:26:43
And yes, a rotavirus infection and rotavirus vaccine
1782
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can cause intussusception.
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1:26:45 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction], one of the vaccines was withdrawn
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because precisely because it caused intussusception.
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So yes, that's the answer.
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A final point.
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This was the bridge too far.
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1:27:00 --> 1:27:01
This really was.
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They in the rush to introduce this genocidal cause,
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1:27:06 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]antly begin to believe,
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1:27:09 --> 1:27:14
that this is about killing off 15% of the population,
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1:27:17 --> 1:27:19
has been quoted on a number of occasions.
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1:27:19 --> 1:27:22
And I think in this rush, they went too far
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because I don't think that they realized
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that there was going to be the very close temporal association
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between the vaccine and the deaths.
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I think that's where they made the mistake.
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And I think they thought that the deaths would come
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whereas they're coming days afterwards, if not weeks.
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And that's what I feel.
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1:27:45 --> 1:27:46
I think it's that bridge too far.
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And as you say, I'm convinced that we're winning.
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Yes, good.
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I'm delighted to hear that.
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1:27:53 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ory.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Gerard.
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1:27:57 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction], could you email me?
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1:27:58 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]y you with documents
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which you can use to hit the Irish Medical Council with.
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1:28:07 --> 1:28:10
I've got a, I have emailed you before
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1:28:10 --> 1:28:12
and you don't read your emails.
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1:28:12 --> 1:28:13
You don't seem to read your emails.
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Well, I do actually.
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1:28:15 --> 1:28:17
Yeah, I don't have time to reply sometimes.
1818
1:28:17 --> 1:28:18
Yeah, of course.
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1:28:18 --> 1:28:23
Yeah, I will, I'll email you and I need any documents I can
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1:28:24 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]ics I can.
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1:28:26 --> 1:28:29
Well, as you say, you're the point of the spear
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and you can do great damage.
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So, with our help, obviously.
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Yeah, you know, you guys have to be the shaft.
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But at the end of the day, I don't mind.
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I'm old enough now that I don't really care.
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I've done what I need to do in life.
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And I will die on this hill.
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1:28:48 --> 1:28:49
Beautifully put, Gerry.
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1:28:49 --> 1:28:52
Now, everybody on Sunday, and Andy,
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this is also relevant to you.
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I mentioned the 107 page report
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1:28:58 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ralia.
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That's now circulating globally.
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I'll put it in the chat.
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1:29:04 --> 1:29:06
I'll get it sent to you, Andy, as well,
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1:29:06 --> 1:29:11
as well as a letter to all the medical colleges in Australia
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with a well-articulated letter
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1:29:12 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ralia Medical Practitioners Society.
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1:29:16 --> 1:29:19
And we're wanting that Philip Altman
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1:29:19 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ate of the art report
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to be sent to all medical colleges around the world.
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1:29:25 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ay a part in that.
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And Gerry, this paper is designed to be used as evidence
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1:29:32 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction] case, in proceedings,
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1:29:34 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction] all medical regulators.
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1:29:37 --> 1:29:39
So I'll put that in the chat.
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And if anyone needs an email,
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1:29:40 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ease put your email in the chat and I'll send it.
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1:29:44 --> 1:29:45
Gerry, thank you for that.
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That's the Philip Altman report, 107 pages,
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plus the covering letter to the medical colleges
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that all of us can use.
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1:29:53 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]or.
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Anna, over to you.
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Anna Mihalcia.
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Sorry, I didn't pronounce that correctly.
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Can you hear me?
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1:30:10 --> 1:30:11
Yes.
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1:30:11 --> 1:30:12
Yeah, we can now.
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1:30:13 --> 1:30:16
Can you hear me all right?
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1:30:16 --> 1:30:17
No, it's fine.
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1:30:17 --> 1:30:18
I can hear you.
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1:30:18 --> 1:30:19
I can hear something.
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1:30:19 --> 1:30:21
Try it, Anna.
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1:30:21 --> 1:30:22
Try it now, Anna.
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1:30:22 --> 1:30:26
So, come on, Doctor, wait for the next...
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It's breaking up a bit.
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I'm a medicine physician by training.
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I was a geriatrician.
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1:30:33 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]em because of vaccines.
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1:30:38 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]itioner.
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1:30:43 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]e from heavy metals.
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1:30:46 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]ing, you know,
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1:30:48 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] nanoparticle
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contaminations with all kinds of metals,
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from lead to lurium, steel.
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1:31:00 --> 1:31:04
And it doesn't matter.
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1:31:04 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] them.
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1:31:05 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] graphene oxide and other metal in shots.
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And one of the things that is important to understand
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is that the metals cause DNA methylation,
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which doesn't allow for microRNA to be transcribed,
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1:31:21 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ually is in charge of regulating the genome.
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1:31:24 --> 1:31:27
And this can be passed on transgenerational.
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1:31:27 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]e, lead in women who were pregnant children
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and impaired genetic expression,
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and thereby increasing the diseases transgenerational.
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So you can...
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That happens with all metals that are put into the body
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1:31:47 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ive.
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1:31:49 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ion is, you know,
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1:31:53 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ates
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1:31:55 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ration.
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1:31:58 --> 1:32:03
My colleagues who know about the COVID vaccine
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still continue to give every other shot
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because their payment is dependent on it.
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I, as an independent practitioner,
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I don't give any vaccine.
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And I've spoken out against vaccines for a long time.
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1:32:18 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]and
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that all vaccines are toxic
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1:32:24 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] been used for depopulation
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1:32:28 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]omers ongoingly?
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1:32:34 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] go after the metals, for example,
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1:32:38 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] enough toxicity for all of them
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1:32:41 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] the proof.
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1:32:43 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]ion?
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1:32:45 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] babies
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1:32:48 --> 1:32:52
and taking their paycheck more important
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1:32:52 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]en, for example,
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or the adults that they care for,
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we're not gonna make headways
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on the vaccine depopulation scheme.
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1:33:04 --> 1:33:06
Yes, you're absolutely right.
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In this country, and I'll just give you as an example
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for those not in America,
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there was a physician, a pediatrician,
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1:33:14 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ified
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1:33:17 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ate legislature on this
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1:33:20 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]
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by giving up vaccination $700,000 a year in income.
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1:33:30 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]e
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to keep doing what they're doing
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1:33:35 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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It's an absolute disgrace, which gives you some insight.
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If that's just his bonus, what he gets,
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what the income from these vaccines is.
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1:33:47 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ion myself
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and that was the reason I went into filmmaking
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1:33:52 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ory,
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1:33:56 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction],
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1:33:59 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction],
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educational secondarily, and then people will watch it.
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And you do the heavy lifting.
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1:34:07 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ory in an entertaining way
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and you can change many, many people's minds.
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And so the next film that we're in production on,
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pre-production at the moment, excuse me,
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is a full length feature film.
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1:34:26 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ry fraud,
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1:34:29 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]urer fraud.
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1:34:31 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]e across the bridge
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1:34:34 --> 1:34:39
from the COVID vaccine and the horrors of that
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1:34:39 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]and that this has been happening
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1:34:41 --> 1:34:44
with the childhood vaccine schedule forever.
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1:34:44 --> 1:34:46
And that is the purpose of this film,
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one of the purposes of this film.
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1:34:48 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] in which I've approached this
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is through filmmaking.
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1:34:52 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]s
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of contributing of doing it.
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1:34:56 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] in which I answered the question
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for myself, what could we do?
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1:35:01 --> 1:35:06
So it's a beautiful, Ana, it's a beautiful example.
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1:35:07 --> 1:35:10
Do what you see needs to be done.
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1:35:10 --> 1:35:11
You're breaking up again.
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1:35:11 --> 1:35:13
So Ana, it's up to all of us.
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1:35:13 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction], but it is up to all of us.
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1:35:18 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] to just sit back
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1:35:24 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]e to do what we should be doing.
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1:35:26 --> 1:35:28
And the things that we think of,
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1:35:29 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]imulate each other
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1:35:30 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] all these ideas, twice weekly,
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1:35:32 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] the chance to think about these things
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1:35:34 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]e trigger thoughts in our heads,
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1:35:38 --> 1:35:40
I think, certainly in mine.
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1:35:40 --> 1:35:44
And when John, sorry, when Andrew was speaking,
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1:35:44 --> 1:35:46
I don't know what you felt like,
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1:35:46 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] like one thing after another.
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1:35:48 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]ion
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1:35:50 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] about.
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1:35:52 --> 1:35:54
But you are a very good speaker, Andrew, so.
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1:35:54 --> 1:35:55
You're very kind.
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1:35:55 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]ion of a film called
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1:35:59 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ion Meeting coming up.
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1:36:00 --> 1:36:03
So I better get off very soon.
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1:36:03 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
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So.
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All right.
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1:36:08 --> 1:36:10
So Ana, thank you for that.
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1:36:10 --> 1:36:13
Theresa from, no, you have two, Andy.
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1:36:13 --> 1:36:15
We've got Theresa from Wales and then John Stone,
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1:36:15 --> 1:36:16
because he organized for you to be.
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1:36:16 --> 1:36:18
Oh John, my dear friend.
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1:36:18 --> 1:36:19
Yeah, yeah, okay.
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1:36:19 --> 1:36:21
So Theresa from Wales.
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1:36:23 --> 1:36:24
Hi, hi, Andrew.
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1:36:24 --> 1:36:27
Thank you for presenting to us tonight.
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1:36:27 --> 1:36:32
I'm very grateful for everything that you've done.
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1:36:32 --> 1:36:34
I've worked with autistic children
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and I've heard so many stories
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about it being linked to the vaccine.
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1:36:38 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ion is this.
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1:36:41 --> 1:36:45
We know in this group that the COVID vaccine
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1:36:45 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]iohepatogenotoxic
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1:36:49 --> 1:36:51
and many other toxicities.
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1:36:52 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ion for you is,
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1:36:56 --> 1:37:00
is it really about money?
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1:37:00 --> 1:37:03
The vaccination, you know, the MMR
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1:37:03 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]en are being injured by the vaccines.
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1:37:06 --> 1:37:11
Is it really about money or is it a form of warfare?
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1:37:11 --> 1:37:16
In that, I've seen forecasts of the number
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1:37:16 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ic by 2032.
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1:37:21 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]en
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1:37:24 --> 1:37:25
by 2030.
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1:37:31 --> 1:37:32
You're breaking up Theresa.
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1:37:34 --> 1:37:35
No.
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Still breaking up Theresa.
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1:37:42 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
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That due to an economy.
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1:37:46 --> 1:37:48
Okay, I'm sure you can.
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Is it warfare?
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1:37:50 --> 1:37:51
You're quite right.
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1:37:51 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ive,
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based on the CDC's numbers,
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1:37:57 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]en,
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1:38:00 --> 1:38:02
80% of boys since it's more common in boys.
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1:38:04 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] saw the other day that the numbers in New Jersey,
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1:38:08 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]en already, Belfast, one in [privacy contact redaction]en.
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1:38:12 --> 1:38:15
So that's where on target for that horrendous number.
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1:38:17 --> 1:38:18
Is there another agenda?
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1:38:18 --> 1:38:22
Vaccination operates in my experience on various levels.
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1:38:22 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]e, it's purely money.
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1:38:23 --> 1:38:27
It's almost religious zeal,
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1:38:27 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] thing that man has ever done.
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1:38:31 --> 1:38:33
We were there with antibiotics
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1:38:33 --> 1:38:36
until the tragedy of multi-resistant,
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1:38:36 --> 1:38:39
highly pathogenic organisms evolving precisely
2030
1:38:39 --> 1:38:42
because of the inappropriate use of antibiotics.
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1:38:42 --> 1:38:45
And we're headed the same way with vaccines.
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1:38:45 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]e,
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1:38:47 --> 1:38:49
this is the basis of a film that I recently made
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1:38:49 --> 1:38:50
with Bobby Kennedy.
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1:38:50 --> 1:38:55
I didn't believe that there was a population control agenda
2036
1:38:55 --> 1:38:57
until I made a film about it.
2037
1:38:58 --> 1:39:00
And I realized that the World Health Organization
2038
1:39:00 --> 1:39:04
has been quite clear and has been funding Dr. Talwar
2039
1:39:04 --> 1:39:09
in New Delhi in India to produce, to experiment
2040
1:39:09 --> 1:39:12
and produce an anti-fertility vaccine for many years,
2041
1:39:12 --> 1:39:13
since the 70s.
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1:39:13 --> 1:39:15
He optimized it in the 90s,
2043
1:39:15 --> 1:39:20
and it's been used clandestinely around the world
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1:39:20 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] in populations such as Kenya.
2045
1:39:25 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]ease, if you want to see the facts behind that,
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1:39:28 --> 1:39:30
for free, you can go and watch
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1:39:31 --> 1:39:33
Infertility, a Diabolical Agenda,
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1:39:33 --> 1:39:35
which is a short movie, 30 minutes,
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1:39:35 --> 1:39:38
that I made recently released with Bobby.
2050
1:39:38 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]ory,
2051
1:39:39 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]ory that I did not know of before this,
2052
1:39:42 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]ory.
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1:39:45 --> 1:39:48
And you can watch that for free on
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1:39:48 --> 1:39:52
Infertility, the movie.com.
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1:39:53 --> 1:39:55
Infertility, the movie.com.
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1:39:56 --> 1:40:01
And so there are many, many agendas.
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1:40:03 --> 1:40:07
But yes, warfare against mankind is certainly one of them.
2058
1:40:08 --> 1:40:11
Yeah, I've run the figures myself.
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1:40:11 --> 1:40:13
This thing's going exponential.
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1:40:13 --> 1:40:16
And I can't see any way that it's not gonna be
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1:40:16 --> 1:40:17
half of kids by 2032,
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1:40:17 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]ern civilization.
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1:40:23 --> 1:40:24
Thank you.
2064
1:40:24 --> 1:40:25
Thank you, Theresa.
2065
1:40:25 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction] one, John Stone.
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1:40:27 --> 1:40:30
How appropriate that you're the last one, Ferrandi.
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1:40:30 --> 1:40:31
Hi, John.
2068
1:40:31 --> 1:40:33
Hi, great to see you.
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1:40:33 --> 1:40:36
Thanks for everything.
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1:40:36 --> 1:40:39
Wonderful talk and for everything you've ever done for us all.
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1:40:40 --> 1:40:42
One thing that,
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1:40:43 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]ory that I sort of,
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1:40:45 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]e of years ago,
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1:40:49 --> 1:40:53
was where, I mean, obviously,
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1:40:53 --> 1:40:57
there were various motives going on.
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1:40:57 --> 1:41:01
Obviously, you said certain things,
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1:41:01 --> 1:41:02
which were unacceptable.
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1:41:02 --> 1:41:04
Of course, as we know,
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1:41:05 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ry
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absolutely escalated in the period.
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1:41:10 --> 1:41:13
I reckon that from 2000 on,
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1:41:13 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]en,
2083
1:41:19 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]en of the vaccine schedule
2084
1:41:22 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ed times.
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And if you'd been allowed to say what you said
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1:41:31 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]e of,
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1:41:37 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction],
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1:41:43 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] picked and chosen their vaccines
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rather than saying, well, you've got to have everything.
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1:41:48 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] all these multi-vaccines
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and you've got to have everything together.
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1:41:54 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] failed.
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The other thing that I came across
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1:42:05 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]e of years ago
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was that the origins of this,
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1:42:12 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] of all, it was a great project of Tony Blair
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to amalgamate Glaxo Welcome with Smithclime Beecham.
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And this, he was already trying this in 98.
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He was only, I think, finally achieved at the beginning of 2002
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and immediately after that,
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it wasn't actually doing very well.
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But I believe that there were, at that time,
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there was an incredibly close bond
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1:42:47 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]och.
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1:42:51 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]och didn't come into the picture until 2009
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1:42:55 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] member.
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And immediately after that,
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you've got the second wave of Brian Deer's allegations.
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1:43:09 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]och was godfather
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to one of Blair's children, wasn't he?
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1:43:13 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]ly so, exactly that's the point.
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In 2000, I believe he became godfather to,
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1:43:19 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]och's children in 2002.
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These men were absolutely like that.
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So if Blair wanted to finish you off,
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1:43:31 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]och would do it for him.
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1:43:34 --> 1:43:35
Right, thank you John.
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Thank you for that insight.
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And I better go, but thank you very much for having me on.
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I once said to John,
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1:43:42 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]op his wonderful writings on the subject.
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I said, John, one day your writings will be used
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1:43:49 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]udents and they will.
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So keep going, my friend.
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And thank you very much for having me on.
2126
1:43:57 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]ew, can I just ask you,
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have you seen the film Dopesick?
2128
1:44:00 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]n't yet, I am very keen to see it.
2129
1:44:03 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] got myself a television.
2130
1:44:05 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]n't had a television for a long time.
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Have you read The Empire of Pain?
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No.
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Which is the book that is based on,
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1:44:12 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]ually was based on that
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and whether they'd taken the opportunity
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1:44:17 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]
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1:44:22 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]e would recognise the parallels
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with what's been going on for the past two and a half years.
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Yes.
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It's very, very interesting.
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And it's like nudge, nudge.
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It's an eight part series, I think.
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I can't remember where you can see it,
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but it's absolutely brilliant.
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I've seen two parts of it.
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1:44:38 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] see the other six.
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I will be watching it.
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Absolutely.
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Thank you so much.
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Thank you so much for coming.
2151
1:44:46 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] two hours.
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Thank you.
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1:44:49 --> 1:44:50
Thank you very much.
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Thank you for organizing.
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God bless you, Andrew.
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God bless.
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Bye bye.
