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Sorry, David.
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Hey, good to see you.
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Good to see everybody.
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Alright now, Celia, I've got your reels ready when you when you want to do that.
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I'll make you a co-host just in case you want to share your screen and Kevin, I'll
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make you a co-host as well if you want to share your screen.
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I said, Kevin, in the introductions, I tried to get attract people, you know,
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important.
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But I don't know whether I hit the right balance.
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I tried.
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I didn't want to kind of over egg it, but I wanted to kind of sex it up a bit.
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To use a term used about the Iraq war.
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All right, you did well.
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It was good.
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OK, everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for Covid Ethics International.
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Welcome to today's discussion with led by Celia Farber and Kevin Corbett.
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to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health.
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His medical specialty is radiology.
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I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group.
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I'm Australasian passion provocateur.
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And my jacket is red because red is the color of passion.
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remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.
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John Rappaport, we were talking about earlier,
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points out that medical misadventure, bad medical advice is the third biggest
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killer in America.
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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
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We comprise lots of professions, including doctors, lawyers, homeopaths,
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And we're from all around the world.
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I don't see many gerontologists in this group one day.
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Many of us thought that vaccines were OK.
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Now, many of us proudly say, yes, we are passionate anti-vaxxers.
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in the chat and where you're from.
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or you've written a book, put the links into the chat so we can follow you,
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promote you and find you.
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Even if you've done it before, please do it every time because it's hard
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to go back in the earlier chats to find your links.
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and that there are various battle lines as part of this war.
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Some of us believe we are in a continuation of World War Two.
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and that the science is never settled.
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This meeting runs for two and a half hours after which, for those with the time,
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Tom Rodman runs a video telegram meeting.
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Tom puts the links into the chat.
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If you are able to join, we'll listen to Celia and Kevin
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for as long as they wish to speak.
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There is no censorship.
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It's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating.
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Free speech is crucially important in our fight to preserve our human freedoms.
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If you're offended by anything, be offended.
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anything that may offend another.
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Now, one thing that happens in terms of a free speech environment
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is if somebody says in the chat that homeopaths
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or lawyers are all arseholes, then let them say it.
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However, ad hominem attacks are not permitted.
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You will be removed from the group.
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you know, we've had people say that the whole the whole
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speciality of virology is a fraud.
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OK, so did the virologist all get upset?
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Good. If they did, good.
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If they didn't, it's up to them.
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That's nothing to do with free speech.
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Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you.
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Love expands you.
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And now welcome Celia and Kevin, whom we thank so much for giving us
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their time, wisdom and insights.
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And thank you, Stephen Frost, again, for creating this group
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and for organising Celia and Kevin today.
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So Celia, over to you.
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Thank you, Charles.
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Hi, everybody. It's great to be here.
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I am very honoured and I've been in the audience many times.
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So to jump right in, I'm not obviously I'm not a scientist
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and so forth, but I have and nor do I feel personally
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that what I've written about for so many years now, let's see,
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I do not identify as one of the science interpreters.
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I think that it's an assault on science.
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believing everything about AIDS and being at a periodical
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where the editor wanted me to jump on the story and stay on it.
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He said AIDS was the Vietnam of our generation.
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So I did. That was Spin magazine.
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I'll return to that in a little bit.
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as propaganda through the mass media and hit the culture and the people and the street.
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It was a gruesome, violent, horrendous and very long war.
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I'm really happy to see some of my war buddies here.
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David Rasnick. Hello, Dave.
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You're probably muted.
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Hi, Celia. I wasn't going to miss this one.
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I'm so glad you're here.
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And I'm actually seeing that you're here, that Vera is here.
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And of course, Kevin, I decided just before it all began that I'm going to keep my.
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What I'm going to say to a bare minimum,
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Let me say some basic things since 2020.
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do you see this thing coming down when I first said COVID is going to blow up?
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And you said, oh, but it's a what did you say?
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It's a it's a it's a pneumonia.
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They can't they can't. It's a it's a pneumonia in China.
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There's no way they can do it.
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that there was something jet black and sinister coming down the pike.
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So you and I both were kind of brought back out from wherever we were.
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What? What they what they the opposition are extremely good at,
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extremely good at is creating conditions of loathing and phobia around
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contrarian positions inside of what we again, you know, I dispute the term science.
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So when I use it, it's in quotation marks.
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It's really social engineering.
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It's economics, economic engineering.
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What's the story?
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when there was already a an overwhelming consensus in the media,
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in the propaganda apparatus that the cause of AIDS had been found.
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It was this heroic moment.
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Robert Gallo, 1984 press conference.
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and its excitement from.
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Incongruity, contradiction, right?
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We know this. It's not a story if a plane lands safely.
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So for us at that time, at that magazine in 1987,
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we did not think we were doing anything unusual, unorthodox, never mind.
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Dangerous, heretical.
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I wouldn't mind being injected with it.
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weekly, very high quality gay periodical called the New York native.
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That's where it all began.
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I wouldn't mind being injected with it.
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It's been magazine.
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Now, looking back, I see that we were infiltrated.
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as all so-called HIV dissidents did at this time, late 80s.
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absolutely the same as we're seeing in COVID to see that
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wrong science, fraudulent science.
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There was a huge piece of this that we did not have.
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Grand agenda revolution
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that all of us talk about as part of our normal day now.
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Yeah, it's a prequel.
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I think it was the crucible for COVID.
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where everything that they would need for COVID would have been forged.
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retroviruses were harmless and were even used
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they were transformed or this one, this retrovirus HIV
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that could do so many things and had so many attributes.
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Kary Muller, the inventor of PCR, he said,
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We were an international group from very different backgrounds,
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we don't see science, we don't see classical science,
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Life extending medicine, never mind humanity in this thing.
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So outside of all of us and we grew, we grew, right?
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you would you would not believe we can't get to that many of them today.
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This is what they're good at.
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and they very successful.
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this thing is so insane and it makes no sense.
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But I think what they also found was that.
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And there was a yet another danger in going with the HIV crowd
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and being sucked into that, because they they just demanded sort of more
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and more and more.
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were not permitted to to depart from it by one single.
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it was changing its mind at will all the time, infinitely.
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So it's like rigid and elastic when they needed it to be elastic
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and they needed to change what they said last week about when people would die
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And I was kind of where from where I was writing and reporting.
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What I was looking at was this was this whole thing as a
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as a very dangerous cultural phenomenon.
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I didn't see it as a disease.
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I didn't see it as a dialectic, particularly about curing a disease.
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as like something that changes the whole culture and everybody in it
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intimacy, their future.
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through so-called public health and so-called virology.
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And I think that's what those of us who were dissidents at the time
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We didn't know where it came from, this monstrosity,
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So I'm going to pause there for a moment.
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And I brought some reels today.
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you may laugh and you're allowed to laugh.
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But what it is, is really early, really crude reels of AIDS propaganda
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from television commercials.
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They used to hire the top top
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like advertising,
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And they had them do they had multi, multi-million dollar budgets
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and they had them do these commercials.
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And believe it or not, these commercials, which are so absurd,
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which you're about to see, and many of you probably remember some of them.
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This is how HIV theory became entrenched in the culture.
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that there was a new virus deadly.
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Anybody could get it once you got it, you were dead.
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And the consequences of that,
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Kevin and I are going to get into that a little bit later.
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So, Charles, would you run reel number one?
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Yep. There we go.
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But now we know every one of us could be devastated by it.
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that in three years, nearly 2000 of us will be dead.
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That in three years, nearly 2000 of us will be dead.
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There is now a danger that has become a threat to us all.
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It is a deadly disease and there is no known cure.
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The virus can be passed during sexual intercourse with an infected person.
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Anyone can get it, man or woman.
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So far, it's been confined to small groups, but it's spreading.
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Man or woman.
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So far, it's been confined to small groups, but it's spreading.
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If you ignore AIDS, it could be the death of you.
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So don't die of ignorance.
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Mr. Reed? Mr. Reed? He's ready for you now.
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Well, Michael, the results of your blood tests have come through
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The AIDS virus can live on dirty needles and equipment, so don't share.
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will really get you out of it.
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there's a strong desire to express that love.
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Dad, is this a sex talk?
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Because if it is, I already know all about it.
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Oh, you do? Uh-huh.
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How well do you know all about it?
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Well, enough. Well, enough.
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I know you and your friends, you know it all. Just humor me.
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You know about pregnancy? Uh-huh.
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You know how I feel about responsibility? Yes.
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How much do you know about AIDS?
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Joshua, someone can have the AIDS virus for a long time and not even know it.
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Should we put the cahаться stewards over to the Edelman warder,
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Look at this happening.
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Northern 71, two door,
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Monaroid, in it tick,
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350 jet, 350 turbo box,
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Monaroid wheels, beautiful interior.
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Okay, sorry, Celia.
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Yep.
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Okay.
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So, what I, it's,
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those clips to me, even though I was,
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that I had to deal with it every day
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for years and years and years,
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that they would launch this attack,
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this immense psychological attack on humanity.
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felt like it's not a psychological attack.
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They're trying to protect us.
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And when it all petered out,
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no pun intended, AIDS, and that did happen,
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let's call it, I don't know exactly
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talking about it, talking about it,
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whether a condom broke, whether they'd been tested.
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And I've often said, when you look at a PsiOp,
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a huge PsiOp like AIDS,
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look at it at the back end of it.
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Don't look at the front of it or the middle of it,
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because it's at the end of a big PsiOp
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that it disintegrates and you can see
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what a bunch of lies it was to begin with.
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as you see in those incredible clips,
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it wasn't esoteric refined immunobiology
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or science of any kind.
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It was blunt force weaponry,
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basically horror films as medicine.
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had different corners that we focused on.
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John Lauritsen focused very much
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on the fraud of the AZT trials, for example,
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who founded a group called HEAL in New York City.
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And HEAL, I remember their meetings very well.
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They would get together in a room,
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actually at Gay Men's Health Crisis.
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and were in the process of being scared to death
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could go to that room, sit in that circle
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that they were not going to die,
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that there was another side to the science.
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So it was like an emergency support group
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the better part of this thing is a psychological attack.
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If you can break free of the fear,
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we can work to figure out why do some people get sick?
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Am I gonna get sick?
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Are you gonna get sick?
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What is it that causes that?
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But the fear and the terror,
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that the fear porn was so massive
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and it was considered part of the great and the good.
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It was considered a good thing
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Those of us who were working to try to deprogram people,
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whether it was in the media or in support groups
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or in academic journals or anywhere,
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what we were saying was this fear attack by itself
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as is documented in, for example,
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and gives commands to the body.
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And what we were saying was you are scaring people to death.
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This is very, very abusive, stop it.
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What they were saying to us was
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when you interfere with our public health,
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our fear mongering,
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you are undermining the safe sex message.
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You're undermining the public health agenda.
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And so guess who's killing people?
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You're killing people
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because if they don't keep that terror alive,
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they may not use a condom or they may blah, blah, blah.
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And all the things that they initially said
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they were all phased out.
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You'll all maybe you've seen the clip
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on the internet of Tony Fauci
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having said sometime in the 1980s
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maybe a toilet seat, maybe a salad leaf.
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I literally remember that it was like toilet seat terror,
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again, salad leaf terror,
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like B-level propaganda didn't require any proof of any kind
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because the culture was behind it.
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The culture was of it.
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And the culture was there's a new virus, it's deadly
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So awareness meant the opposite.
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with the dominant spell.
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So it meant to be under a spell
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that you didn't quite, so that to be in a trance.
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And when you're in a trance,
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you're just repeating what you've been programmed with.
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So, sound familiar?
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What I wanna ask you to kind of think about
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sex leads, sex causes life.
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And before this program,
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I don't think that anybody associated sex with death.
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So I feel like their big revolutionary blow, the first one,
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was to turn that upside down and inside out
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so that now sex was associated with death.
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You can see also the very heavy-handed
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revolutionary guilt trips and all those clips.
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Don't die of ignorance.
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You were supposed to grab that pamphlet,
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that terrifying pamphlet with no science and no medicine
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and no reality in it from under your door
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and read it and absorb what it said.
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that if they did all those things,
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they would be spared, right?
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If they, whether it was the march or the walk
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or the bicycle ride or the wearing the red ribbon
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or the reading the pamphlet
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And again, like a revolution,
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it went into every facet of society
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and it fundamentally changed us at such a root level.
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And what I didn't see that caused a despair in all of us,
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when heterosexual AIDS did not happen at all,
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90 million Americans were to be dead in North America
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by 1990, you know, you don't need me to cite
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they were repeated at AIDS conferences around the world.
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And they didn't come true at all, not even close, zero zip.
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So we're not gonna believe you the next time around.
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Because what happened to end the AIDS dissent war
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was that they attacked the AIDS dissidents
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from how wrong they had been about everything.
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So they created in the public mind,
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there's just this group of dangerous deranged people
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who are saying that HIV does not cause AIDS.
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So that became part of the witchcraft superstition,
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you won't encounter the boogeyman.
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So sadly, because they have the media,
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it fizzled and it got quiet.
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when they launched the next one, which was COVID.
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what they had done in the crucible of HIV and AIDS,
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or how wrong they were or how deadly it was.
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In terms of how deadly it was, estimates,
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estimates I've seen that many of us have,
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you may be familiar with this,
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0:38:52 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]imate is that 300,[privacy contact redaction]ly gay men,
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0:38:57 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction] were killed by AZT alone in the high doses
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in the early years of AZT.
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That's also a feature that we see in COVID.
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0:39:08 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]s.
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The idea of an expanding diagnosis, it could be this,
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it could be that.
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0:39:17 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]arted as pneumonia,
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it was supposed to be in the lungs,
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it was supposed to be difficulty breathing.
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And it wasn't very long before COVID could be anything.
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0:39:26 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]e walking around saying,
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yeah, my father-in-law got it.
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Oh, he got the COVID, he got the COVID.
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0:39:32 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]e were calling everything COVID.
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0:39:35 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]e were, it was a little different.
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0:39:39 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ill was bound
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0:39:42 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction], which isn't a test for HIV.
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0:39:47 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]s say in the package inserts
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that they can't test for the presence or absence of HIV.
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But I think what they learned with HIV and AIDS
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is that that one was kept on a leash in a sense.
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0:40:03 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction]s,
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which were not as, they didn't produce
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the same promiscuous results
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0:40:14 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction]ied PCR to COVID.
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0:40:20 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction] said PCR, let's go to real number two.
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This is a series of quotes from Carey Mullis,
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who we knew and loved.
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And needless to say, he would be screaming bloody murder
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to see this today.
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So we'll just look at a few things that he had to say.
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Okay, hang on one second.
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And.
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You wanna say something, Sylvia?
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Yeah, I just wanted to say,
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0:41:02 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] no sense of time in general or right now.
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0:41:06 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]enty of time.
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You may go for half an hour, got plenty of time.
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Okay.
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0:41:14 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]ion, or PCR,
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is an invention I had in about 82, 83.
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It's a way that you can produce
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a little teeny piece of DNA,
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a specific one out of the whole genome,
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and make as many copies of it as you wanted to,
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and there's no limit.
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0:41:33 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]
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that you could use molecules to do the looking for you,
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0:41:38 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]art some little process
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that would find the thing you wanted and copy it,
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and keep copying it, and copy the copies,
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and then copy the copies.
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So you'd go from having one copy of it,
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to two, to four, to eight, to 16, to 32, to 64, to 128,
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on up to a million if you've done it 20 times,
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and a billion if you've done it 30 times.
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When you get a billion of them,
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you've got as many copies of the thing you want
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as there are little nucleotides,
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or letters in the whole thing.
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All right, it's got three billion.
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You've got just about as many.
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You can pick up any one you want to at that point,
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and it's the one you want.
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0:42:16 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ack, basically, with a needle lost in it,
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0:42:20 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ack into needles,
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0:42:23 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] take a handful.
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That's what it does.
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It's almost like magic.
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If they could find this virus in you at all,
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and with PCR, if you do it well,
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0:42:32 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] anything in anybody.
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0:42:35 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]arts making you believe in the sort of Buddhist notion
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that everything is contained in everything else, right?
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I mean, because if you can amplify one single molecule
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up to something that you can really measure,
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which PCR can do,
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then there's just very few molecules
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that you don't have at least one single one of them
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0:42:53 --> 0:42:54
in your body, okay?
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So that could be thought of as a misuse of it,
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0:42:56 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] to claim that it's meaningful.
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Vented by the AIDS dissident, Dr. Kerry Mullis,
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PCR, the polymer's chain reaction,
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0:43:04 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]
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0:43:07 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]e containing a minute amount of DNA
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0:43:11 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]icate that DNA sequence
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until there are a million copies.
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One of PCR's first applications was to try to detect HIV.
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0:43:21 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] Mullis, PCR amplifies whatever DNA
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0:43:25 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]e,
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0:43:26 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]less of whether that DNA belongs to HIV
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or a contaminant,
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0:43:31 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] to determine
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0:43:33 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]ified material could be HIV
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and which part could be a contaminant.
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0:43:38 --> 0:43:43
It allows you to take a very minuscule amount of anything
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and make it measurable,
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0:43:45 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]uff,
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like it is important.
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See, that's not a misuse,
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that's just sort of a misinterpretation.
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There are no really good experiments
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that would lead anybody
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0:43:56 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction] maintaining a healthy skepticism
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0:44:01 --> 0:44:05
to believe that HIV was responsible
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0:44:05 --> 0:44:09
for this series of, not series,
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0:44:09 --> 0:44:12
but kind of a loose confederation of diseases
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0:44:12 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]e are now willing to call AIDS.
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0:44:14 --> 0:44:18
It's a confederation of maybe 30 different diseases,
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0:44:18 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]ed in one form or other
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0:44:21 --> 0:44:24
prior to the condition that we call AIDS
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0:44:24 --> 0:44:26
ever being pointed out,
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0:44:26 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]anation
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at one time or other.
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0:44:31 --> 0:44:35
To say that all 30 of those are somehow caused
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0:44:35 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction] some cases, called AIDS cases,
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0:44:38 --> 0:44:41
by a virus called HIV,
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0:44:41 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]n't seen any evidence for that.
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0:44:45 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]n't seen anybody trying
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to bring evidence forth for that.
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0:44:49 --> 0:44:50
And he said he's been looking for that
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since I guess the late 80s,
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0:44:52 --> 0:44:53
and he hasn't ever been able to find anyone
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that can give him a paper that showed,
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number one, isolation of HIV,
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0:45:00 --> 0:45:02
rigorous formal isolation of HIV,
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0:45:02 --> 0:45:06
and secondly, using Koch's postulates,
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0:45:06 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]rating that HIV is a causal microorganism.
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0:45:09 --> 0:45:11
Where is the original paper
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0:45:11 --> 0:45:15
that isolated HIV so that nothing else was present,
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0:45:15 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]ually could go and find
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0:45:16 --> 0:45:19
what the proteins were and the nucleic acids were?
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0:45:19 --> 0:45:21
I think you won't find that paper
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because it hasn't been published yet.
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0:45:22 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]ioned it,
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0:45:24 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction] where we were measuring HIV
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0:45:28 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]e's blood at this place called
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Specialty Laboratories in Santa Monica.
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0:45:36 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction] a consultant there,
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and I came in about three days a month,
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and we were working on that,
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and at some point we needed to re-up our grant
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from the NIH to work on that, and I had to write it.
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0:45:49 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction] line of that was,
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HIV is the probable cause of AIDS.
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And I wrote that, and then I said,
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well, I need a paper, some kind of scientific paper,
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0:46:01 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]atement,
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0:46:02 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]atement like that,
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0:46:04 --> 0:46:06
that's like a fact,
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0:46:06 --> 0:46:09
you need to say, here's how come I know that.
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0:46:09 --> 0:46:11
You put a little one,
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0:46:11 --> 0:46:12
if it's the first statement you've made,
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0:46:12 --> 0:46:13
and then you put down at the bottom of the paper,
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0:46:13 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction] a one, and you say,
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0:46:15 --> 0:46:18
here's a paper by somebody that describes
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0:46:18 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]atement is true.
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0:46:20 --> 0:46:23
And so I said, well, what's that?
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0:46:23 --> 0:46:25
I don't even know, I think about, what is that paper?
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0:46:25 --> 0:46:27
Who do I go to for that?
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0:46:27 --> 0:46:29
And I looked around, I asked a couple of our
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0:46:29 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]s at that company, and they said,
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0:46:31 --> 0:46:32
no, you don't have to reference that.
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0:46:32 --> 0:46:33
I said, I have to reference that,
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0:46:33 --> 0:46:36
because I don't know where that came from.
741
0:46:36 --> 0:46:38
How do I know that?
742
0:46:38 --> 0:46:40
And it turned out that nobody knew it.
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0:46:40 --> 0:46:42
There wasn't a scientific reference,
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0:46:42 --> 0:46:46
like a paper that somebody had submitted
745
0:46:46 --> 0:46:48
with experimental data in it,
746
0:46:48 --> 0:46:50
and logical discussion, and said,
747
0:46:50 --> 0:46:52
here's how come we know that HIV
748
0:46:52 --> 0:46:55
is the probable cause of AIDS.
749
0:46:55 --> 0:46:57
There was nothing out there like that, nothing.
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0:46:57 --> 0:47:00
So, yeah, over to you, yes.
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0:47:00 --> 0:47:02
The wonderful Carrie Mallis.
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0:47:03 --> 0:47:04
Yeah.
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0:47:07 --> 0:47:08
Well,
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0:47:13 --> 0:47:14
what I want to get into now, yeah,
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0:47:14 --> 0:47:18
I mean, may God rest his great soul.
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0:47:18 --> 0:47:20
And I think that's a great thing,
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0:47:20 --> 0:47:21
that we're all in this together,
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0:47:21 --> 0:47:23
and we're all in this together,
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0:47:23 --> 0:47:24
and we're all in this together,
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0:47:24 --> 0:47:25
and we're all in this together,
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0:47:25 --> 0:47:26
and he's a great soul.
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0:47:29 --> 0:47:32
I guess, you know, I was around,
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0:47:33 --> 0:47:36
I'm like the last Galapagos tortoise,
764
0:47:36 --> 0:47:37
I was around for all this,
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0:47:37 --> 0:47:42
and maybe I should share some memories.
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0:47:43 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction] thinking a moment ago,
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0:47:45 --> 0:47:48
what hasn't come out, hasn't come out,
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0:47:48 --> 0:47:53
is the climate back then,
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0:47:53 --> 0:47:57
and how they succeeded in,
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0:47:59 --> 0:48:04
how they succeeded in terminating this whole,
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0:48:05 --> 0:48:07
well, it was like a civilization.
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0:48:07 --> 0:48:10
It wasn't just a bunch of people getting together,
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0:48:10 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]
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It was a very, very, I would say,
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0:48:16 --> 0:48:19
I felt extremely privileged to,
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0:48:20 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]s,
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largely to myself, because my colleagues in journalism
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0:48:27 --> 0:48:30
had been given very clearly the message
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0:48:30 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]ory with a barge pole
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0:48:33 --> 0:48:36
is to ruin your career and possibly torpedo this very,
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0:48:36 --> 0:48:39
whatever, periodical or television show.
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0:48:39 --> 0:48:41
And I saw that happen,
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0:48:41 --> 0:48:43
it happened to a very good friend of mine
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0:48:43 --> 0:48:46
who was a producer at ABC.
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0:48:46 --> 0:48:50
He booked an interview with Peter Duisburg.
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I was on that show as well,
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0:48:51 --> 0:48:56
and they terminated the show and he never worked again.
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0:48:56 --> 0:49:00
I mean, this was like the stuff that you read about
789
0:49:00 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]ozyland by Anna Funder,
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0:49:03 --> 0:49:06
Stories from Behind the Berlin Wall,
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0:49:06 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]etely invisible on the surface
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0:49:08 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]ern society,
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0:49:11 --> 0:49:16
but operating with absolute violence and precision
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0:49:16 --> 0:49:21
to take out, and they caught everybody way up river.
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0:49:21 --> 0:49:26
They knew what paper or article was gonna come out.
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0:49:28 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]ed.
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0:49:30 --> 0:49:34
They knew who was even trying to interview a Peter Duisburg
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or a David Rasnik, and I witnessed this over and over.
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0:49:39 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction], they got in, they got in at the magazines,
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0:49:43 --> 0:49:44
Cosmopolitan magazine,
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0:49:44 --> 0:49:47
maybe this wouldn't have been such a tragedy,
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0:49:47 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] went under,
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0:49:49 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] went under because they ran an article
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0:49:51 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]ephen Gould, if memory serves.
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0:49:55 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] and he put together his evidence
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0:49:59 --> 0:50:03
that there was no reason to think that HIV or AIDS
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0:50:03 --> 0:50:06
was spread through heterosexual intercourse
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0:50:06 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]osion of heterosexual AIDS.
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0:50:10 --> 0:50:12
So how did it work?
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Well, the activists, AIDS activist groups
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and NGOs and charities, they all operated as one,
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0:50:22 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]or, right?
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0:50:27 --> 0:50:31
So when they were upset about something, an article,
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0:50:31 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction], and they did so physically,
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0:50:36 --> 0:50:41
and they did so very, very traumatically.
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0:50:41 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]s
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in the Catholic churches with the throwing blood
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0:50:46 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]inals and all of that.
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0:50:51 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]em managed
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0:50:58 --> 0:51:01
to snuff out the truth about this whole matter
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0:51:01 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]aw that kind of attack onto,
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0:51:07 --> 0:51:09
and again, this is before the internet.
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0:51:09 --> 0:51:11
So the attacks were physical.
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0:51:11 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]e being screamed at and spat at
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0:51:15 --> 0:51:17
or had blood thrown at them and being called murderer,
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0:51:17 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]erer, murderer over and over.
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0:51:19 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]omed to that no matter what we knew
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0:51:23 --> 0:51:28
and had read and determined, it was still, I have to say,
829
0:51:29 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]urbing and disorienting experience
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0:51:33 --> 0:51:36
to be told over and over again that you,
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0:51:36 --> 0:51:40
with your reportage, were you scientist over there
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0:51:40 --> 0:51:43
with your beautiful scientific paper and method,
833
0:51:43 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]er.
834
0:51:47 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] of the media.
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0:51:51 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] editors, when told that they were gonna kill people
836
0:51:54 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] seemed
837
0:51:55 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]ing article, they're gonna drop it.
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0:51:59 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ory
839
0:52:04 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ory that we're living now is to be
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0:52:08 --> 0:52:12
way more aware of the psychological warfare,
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0:52:12 --> 0:52:16
way more aware of the gaslighting and the guilt trips,
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0:52:16 --> 0:52:19
and to be aware of that is to be better prepared.
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0:52:20 --> 0:52:24
I said in the beginning that I don't think that,
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0:52:25 --> 0:52:29
okay, I take the position that correcting the science
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0:52:29 --> 0:52:33
does not get anybody out of the hell of all this stuff.
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0:52:34 --> 0:52:39
Because if I thought that they believed for one minute,
847
0:52:40 --> 0:52:44
anything that they're saying, I might feel differently.
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0:52:44 --> 0:52:48
I think that our big miscalculation was actually
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0:52:48 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ess it and try to dismantle it
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0:52:51 --> 0:52:53
on the level of science.
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0:52:54 --> 0:52:58
What I now think it is, and this is essentially,
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0:52:58 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]ian sense of the word,
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0:53:02 --> 0:53:04
I think it's witchcraft.
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0:53:04 --> 0:53:07
And I'm gonna just read, what do I mean by it?
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0:53:07 --> 0:53:12
I mean, AIDS and COVID and everything that they did
856
0:53:13 --> 0:53:16
to the human psyche around the world
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0:53:16 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]ral pandemics,
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0:53:24 --> 0:53:28
whatever we wanna call them, words are very, very important.
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0:53:28 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]s that they've tried
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0:53:32 --> 0:53:35
to induce us to use, right?
861
0:53:35 --> 0:53:36
Like virus, like pandemic.
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0:53:39 --> 0:53:41
The reason I say it's witchcraft,
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0:53:41 --> 0:53:46
I came upon a definition of witchcraft by a minister,
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0:53:48 --> 0:53:51
his name was Derek Prince, a well-known
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0:53:51 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]er.
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0:53:54 --> 0:53:58
And I wrote this down and it's been on my bulletin board
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0:53:59 --> 0:54:02
and it informs so much of what I perceive
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in this whole thing.
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And here's the quote, what is witchcraft?
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Witchcraft in its essence is the attempt to control people
871
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and make them do what you want by the use of any spirit,
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which is not the Holy Spirit.
873
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Charles, I'm trying to remember now, real three.
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Truvada.
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Oh, Truvada, yeah, we can skip that.
876
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Okay, real four, I think is more of interest.
877
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What was the title of real four?
878
0:54:42 --> 0:54:45
Real four is COVID propaganda reel.
879
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Yeah, okay, right, let's go to that.
880
0:54:48 --> 0:54:50
Okay, so yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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0:55:00 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction] one second.
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Yeah, so while you're doing that, I'll just say that
885
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it's hard to find words to describe like how,
886
0:55:15 --> 0:55:18
this reel you're about to see,
887
0:55:18 --> 0:55:20
there is an absolute through line
888
0:55:20 --> 0:55:22
and I'm struggling to find my words
889
0:55:22 --> 0:55:25
because I feel like you don't need me to tell you this
890
0:55:25 --> 0:55:27
and it goes without saying.
891
0:55:27 --> 0:55:31
And sometimes when something is really glaringly,
892
0:55:31 --> 0:55:34
glaringly, shockingly obvious,
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it's hard to describe it
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895
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So I think you'll all feel as I do.
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Well.
897
0:55:42 --> 0:55:44
It's unbelievable how similar
898
0:55:44 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction] the gaslighting propaganda messaging
899
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and witchcraft has been from AIDS to COVID.
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Okay, Charles.
901
0:55:54 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ory, humankind has prevailed in our darkest moments,
902
0:55:58 --> 0:56:01
coming together to face the very thing
903
0:56:01 --> 0:56:02
that would extinguish our light.
904
0:56:04 --> 0:56:09
This is not one of those moments at all.
905
0:56:09 --> 0:56:13
This is a moment for pretty much the opposite,
906
0:56:13 --> 0:56:15
for hiding, for laying low.
907
0:56:16 --> 0:56:18
Napping is also good.
908
0:56:19 --> 0:56:24
Saving humankind by really, really not getting near it.
909
0:56:26 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]aying games, staring at screens,
910
0:56:28 --> 0:56:33
staring at anything, all are the stuff of heroes.
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0:56:35 --> 0:56:38
Every generation has its moment
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0:56:38 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]
913
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for the good of those who will come after.
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A higher purpose.
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0:56:46 --> 0:56:48
This one is ours.
916
0:56:54 --> 0:56:56
COVID-19 can find you here.
917
0:56:57 --> 0:56:59
When you're just trying to celebrate,
918
0:57:01 --> 0:57:02
it can find you here.
919
0:57:04 --> 0:57:06
When you're with your closest friends,
920
0:57:09 --> 0:57:13
or even here, when you're spending time with family.
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0:57:15 --> 0:57:18
Wear a mask, stay six feet apart.
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0:57:18 --> 0:57:21
Don't host gatherings, even in your own home.
923
0:57:21 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]e you love.
924
0:57:25 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction] so you know, we don't have the video.
925
0:57:27 --> 0:57:32
It can be accompanied by laughter or tears.
926
0:57:33 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]ory or comfort defeat.
927
0:57:38 --> 0:57:40
So Celia, we've just got the sound.
928
0:57:40 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]n't got the video.
929
0:57:44 --> 0:57:46
Why don't we pause it for a second?
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0:57:46 --> 0:57:48
I'm sure everybody gets the idea.
931
0:57:49 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
932
0:57:51 --> 0:57:52
Yeah, it's absolutely outrageous.
933
0:57:52 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]ly like with AIDS, where they go straight
934
0:57:55 --> 0:58:00
for the jugular of everything that we need to be humans,
935
0:58:01 --> 0:58:02
that we take for granted.
936
0:58:02 --> 0:58:05
That's exactly, this is why I consider it witchcraft,
937
0:58:05 --> 0:58:09
because I don't, no scientist present,
938
0:58:09 --> 0:58:12
or anywhere would ever say that's part of my training
939
0:58:12 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]etely mess with people's psyche.
940
0:58:17 --> 0:58:20
Again, it's like horrible, all these stuff.
941
0:58:20 --> 0:58:24
It's unapologetic and it's not nuanced.
942
0:58:24 --> 0:58:25
That's right.
943
0:58:25 --> 0:58:26
And life is nuanced.
944
0:58:26 --> 0:58:28
And it's mean, it's cruel, it's cruel.
945
0:58:28 --> 0:58:31
It's cruel, yes, it's psychological torture.
946
0:58:31 --> 0:58:33
It's psychological torture, thank you.
947
0:58:33 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ly, exactly.
948
0:58:35 --> 0:58:37
I wanted to segue real quick.
949
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I'm not gonna be very long,
950
0:58:39 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] wanna say briefly here that
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0:58:43 --> 0:58:45
there's an immense and very important
952
0:58:45 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ic about isolation of viruses,
953
0:58:51 --> 0:58:54
whether it's that one or this one or all of them.
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0:58:54 --> 0:58:58
This is a book and I knew the author, she's gone now,
955
0:58:58 --> 0:59:01
but Janine Roberts wrote a book here
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0:59:01 --> 0:59:03
called Fear of the Invisible.
957
0:59:03 --> 0:59:08
How Scared Should We Be of Viruses and Vaccines, HIV and AIDS.
958
0:59:09 --> 0:59:11
And it's a remarkable book.
959
0:59:11 --> 0:59:14
What I love about it is that she tells a story
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0:59:14 --> 0:59:19
about what is going on in the cellular symphony.
961
0:59:20 --> 0:59:23
She doesn't just say, this is what's not happening.
962
0:59:23 --> 0:59:27
She, well, I'm gonna hone in on one chapter here.
963
0:59:27 --> 0:59:29
Actually, I called Kevin this morning and I said,
964
0:59:29 --> 0:59:31
did you read Janine's book?
965
0:59:31 --> 0:59:32
And he said, well, I have it here.
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0:59:32 --> 0:59:34
And I said, well, read chapter 11
967
0:59:34 --> 0:59:37
because I reread it this morning and it's staggering.
968
0:59:37 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]er 11 is called fraudulent papers.
969
0:59:41 --> 0:59:46
And it's, as far as I know, the most detailed breakdown
970
0:59:46 --> 0:59:51
of what went on behind the scenes leading to Gallo's four,
971
0:59:52 --> 0:59:56
repeat four papers called foundation papers
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0:59:56 --> 1:00:01
that were published back to back in nature in 1984,
973
1:00:01 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ock and foundation why it was,
974
1:00:07 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ill is, believe that HIV is the cause of AIDS.
975
1:00:11 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ually happens behind the scenes here
976
1:00:14 --> 1:00:19
is that Gallo's lab technician is given by Gallo the sample
977
1:00:20 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]e know it was misappropriated
978
1:00:23 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]itute.
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1:00:27 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]e, he's given the,
980
1:00:31 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]s do
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1:00:33 --> 1:00:37
and he looks for, he looks for retroviral activity.
982
1:00:37 --> 1:00:40
He's told by Gallo, there's gonna be a retrovirus
983
1:00:40 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]e.
984
1:00:43 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]s the country.
985
1:00:46 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ant, nickname Mika Popovic,
986
1:00:51 --> 1:00:56
he does classical virology and he determines,
987
1:00:58 --> 1:01:01
maybe if I'm wrong about any of this,
988
1:01:01 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] me later,
989
1:01:03 --> 1:01:07
but here's my layperson's analysis of this insane drama
990
1:01:08 --> 1:01:10
that Mika, as he's known,
991
1:01:10 --> 1:01:15
he doesn't find any retroviral activity
992
1:01:18 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]e.
993
1:01:21 --> 1:01:25
And he says precisely that, and Gallo is out of the country.
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1:01:26 --> 1:01:28
Mika then seems to surmise
995
1:01:28 --> 1:01:31
that he's gonna be in a lot of trouble
996
1:01:31 --> 1:01:34
and he makes backup copies.
997
1:01:34 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] on a, he goes to visit his sister.
998
1:01:38 --> 1:01:41
I'm pretty sure it was in Switzerland.
999
1:01:41 --> 1:01:45
Gallo comes back and is livid, absolutely livid,
1000
1:01:45 --> 1:01:48
and commands Mika to come right back
1001
1:01:48 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]op this visit to Switzerland or ski vacation,
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1:01:52 --> 1:01:53
whatever it was.
1003
1:01:53 --> 1:01:58
And he is then, Mika is then absolutely blasted by Gallo
1004
1:01:58 --> 1:02:02
and Gallo takes what Mika produced, lab notes,
1005
1:02:02 --> 1:02:06
and he rewrites it, radical, radical rewrite
1006
1:02:06 --> 1:02:09
in his own scrawl, furious scrawl.
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1:02:09 --> 1:02:10
Mika, are you crazy?
1008
1:02:10 --> 1:02:12
This kind of thing.
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1:02:12 --> 1:02:14
And I'll just read you one short passage here
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1:02:14 --> 1:02:16
from Janine's book, What Happens.
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1:02:18 --> 1:02:19
It was fascinating.
1012
1:02:19 --> 1:02:22
This is from Janine Roberts, Fear of the Invisible.
1013
1:02:22 --> 1:02:23
It was fascinating.
1014
1:02:23 --> 1:02:25
I'm sorry, let me stop for a second.
1015
1:02:25 --> 1:02:28
Janine obtained this whole documented record.
1016
1:02:28 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]royed.
1017
1:02:30 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]igated Bob Gallo.
1018
1:02:35 --> 1:02:40
I think the NIH itself tried to shred all of this.
1019
1:02:40 --> 1:02:43
And by some miracle, it was not shredded, it was saved.
1020
1:02:43 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction] been by the Dingell Committee,
1021
1:02:46 --> 1:02:47
but somehow it survived.
1022
1:02:47 --> 1:02:49
And Janine Roberts got ahold of it.
1023
1:02:49 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]uff and you can see the breakdown
1024
1:02:53 --> 1:02:56
in this book, Fear of the Invisible, but she wrote,
1025
1:02:57 --> 1:03:02
it was fascinating to see that his 13 page typed manuscript
1026
1:03:02 --> 1:03:07
had been absolutely covered in Gallo's scribbled comments,
1027
1:03:07 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]afted paragraphs, and furious notes in the margins.
1028
1:03:12 --> 1:03:16
There were also two extra pages of his rough notes
1029
1:03:16 --> 1:03:17
added at the end.
1030
1:03:17 --> 1:03:21
Gallo had changed the title of the paper.
1031
1:03:21 --> 1:03:24
When published, it would claim that they had, quote,
1032
1:03:24 --> 1:03:29
isolated the virus, but there was no mention of isolation
1033
1:03:29 --> 1:03:31
in the title originally.
1034
1:03:31 --> 1:03:32
I was intrigued.
1035
1:03:32 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]ep
1036
1:03:34 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]udy of any virus.
1037
1:03:36 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]aft paper with care
1038
1:03:40 --> 1:03:44
and found there were no experiments in it
1039
1:03:44 --> 1:03:48
designed to isolate the virus for research purposes.
1040
1:03:48 --> 1:03:52
It was originally titled, Rescue and Continuous Production
1041
1:03:52 --> 1:03:55
of Human T-cell Lymphotrophic Retrovirus,
1042
1:03:55 --> 1:03:58
HTLV-3 from Patients with AIDS.
1043
1:03:58 --> 1:04:02
The new title read, Detection, Isolation,
1044
1:04:02 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ion of Cytopathic Retroviruses,
1045
1:04:05 --> 1:04:10
HTLV-3 from Patients with AIDS and Pre-AIDS.
1046
1:04:11 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ification for calling the virus
1047
1:04:15 --> 1:04:16
cytopathic?
1048
1:04:16 --> 1:04:20
I knew that elsewhere, Gallo claimed that it killed T-cells,
1049
1:04:20 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]inarily, I could not find, I'm sorry,
1050
1:04:24 --> 1:04:28
I could find no trace in this paper, as drafted or as
1051
1:04:28 --> 1:04:33
published, of any evidence produced to prove this,
1052
1:04:33 --> 1:04:37
despite this claim being made in its title.
1053
1:04:37 --> 1:04:39
So it goes on from there.
1054
1:04:39 --> 1:04:42
And what we're looking at, no less,
1055
1:04:42 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ly as with SARS-CoV-2 and COVID,
1056
1:04:45 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] that at the center of the labyrinth,
1057
1:04:49 --> 1:04:50
there is nothing.
1058
1:04:50 --> 1:04:53
There is no proof whatsoever.
1059
1:04:53 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ory, if it is fruitful, if it is meaningful,
1060
1:04:58 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]working, earnest
1061
1:05:05 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]e all over the world coming up against this AIDS
1062
1:05:10 --> 1:05:16
apparatus and juggernaut, and trying in ways that,
1063
1:05:16 --> 1:05:19
in hindsight, didn't work.
1064
1:05:19 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]n't proven.
1065
1:05:22 --> 1:05:24
So of course, they don't debate.
1066
1:05:24 --> 1:05:26
They don't have to.
1067
1:05:26 --> 1:05:32
What they do is attack, besmirch, terminate funding,
1068
1:05:32 --> 1:05:34
terrorize, shame.
1069
1:05:34 --> 1:05:38
They're a big, big, big shaming apparatus.
1070
1:05:38 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]e like us, how do you counter that?
1071
1:05:41 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction] that?
1072
1:05:44 --> 1:05:46
Well, that's a big question.
1073
1:05:46 --> 1:05:50
One of the things I want to bring Kevin in now,
1074
1:05:50 --> 1:05:53
basically, what we talk about, Kevin and I
1075
1:05:53 --> 1:05:57
have been friends since, I guess, sometime in the 1990s.
1076
1:05:57 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction] in all the talk about the wrong science,
1077
1:06:00 --> 1:06:02
the bad science, the fraudulent science,
1078
1:06:02 --> 1:06:08
the non-existent science, is the essence of what they did here,
1079
1:06:08 --> 1:06:13
which was they created a fake scientific pretext
1080
1:06:13 --> 1:06:19
for all manner of cruelty, and experimentation, and torture,
1081
1:06:19 --> 1:06:25
and debasement, and kidnapping, and murder, also.
1082
1:06:25 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]e who got caught in the crosshairs
1083
1:06:28 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]erable.
1084
1:06:31 --> 1:06:36
And when we tried to say, do you see what they're doing?
1085
1:06:36 --> 1:06:37
They're poisoning this mother.
1086
1:06:37 --> 1:06:39
They're kidnapping this child.
1087
1:06:39 --> 1:06:42
They're making this mother give her baby AZT.
1088
1:06:42 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]e was, oh, but they're HIV positive.
1089
1:06:47 --> 1:06:51
So they're saving, as in like Liam Sheff's reportage
1090
1:06:51 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]en's Center in the Bronx,
1091
1:06:54 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]en being hideously, indescribably tortured
1092
1:07:01 --> 1:07:03
by chemical torture.
1093
1:07:03 --> 1:07:07
And even then, even though it came out,
1094
1:07:07 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]e would come to a certain point, yeah, that's really bad.
1095
1:07:10 --> 1:07:13
But they were HIV positive.
1096
1:07:13 --> 1:07:18
So what that meant in the public mind was they were already dead.
1097
1:07:18 --> 1:07:21
So we can't really feel anything for them.
1098
1:07:21 --> 1:07:23
And we can't really fight for them.
1099
1:07:23 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction] it has to be, which actually kind
1100
1:07:29 --> 1:07:33
of leads to it's like a dark river that funnels
1101
1:07:33 --> 1:07:39
into a eugenics mentality, a depopulation mentality,
1102
1:07:39 --> 1:07:41
a euthanasia mentality.
1103
1:07:41 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction] come around to is, oh, this is,
1104
1:07:44 --> 1:07:49
I'm going to wrap it up with this after decades of friendship,
1105
1:07:49 --> 1:07:53
is he realized as a nurse, as soon as AIDS broke out,
1106
1:07:53 --> 1:07:55
that he was in something very dark,
1107
1:07:55 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]ed to help his patients.
1108
1:07:58 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]ed to adopt the mentality
1109
1:08:01 --> 1:08:04
that they were already dead.
1110
1:08:04 --> 1:08:08
And so I'm going to hand it over to him and let him address that.
1111
1:08:08 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]ing piece of the history and a scientist
1112
1:08:12 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]n't heard of who coined the phrase death
1113
1:08:16 --> 1:08:17
making.
1114
1:08:17 --> 1:08:20
And death making is when inside of medicine,
1115
1:08:20 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]em conspires to do various things that make
1116
1:08:25 --> 1:08:30
the patient kind of, well, be given up on as already dead.
1117
1:08:30 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]art to turn so that person becomes
1118
1:08:34 --> 1:08:38
indeed dead and everybody agrees it's all for the best.
1119
1:08:38 --> 1:08:43
So now, after all these years, [privacy contact redaction]ory,
1120
1:08:43 --> 1:08:44
I finally see it.
1121
1:08:44 --> 1:08:46
I can finally see it.
1122
1:08:46 --> 1:08:55
And it's just many, many roads lead to the same diabolical
1123
1:08:55 --> 1:09:01
entity, which is the spirit of eugenics and depopulation.
1124
1:09:01 --> 1:09:07
It's all ways to induce the whole system to render people,
1125
1:09:07 --> 1:09:11
take them from being alive to being dead without it seeming
1126
1:09:11 --> 1:09:12
that you killed them, without it seeming
1127
1:09:12 --> 1:09:18
that you robbed them of their life, of everything they had
1128
1:09:18 --> 1:09:19
a right to.
1129
1:09:19 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] agreed until AIDS hit,
1130
1:09:25 --> 1:09:30
it was assumed that every person walking around has the right
1131
1:09:30 --> 1:09:33
to be alive and believe that they're going to continue
1132
1:09:33 --> 1:09:38
to be alive unless there's some extreme mitigating circumstance.
1133
1:09:38 --> 1:09:41
But with AIDS and with COVID, that's the very thing
1134
1:09:41 --> 1:09:41
that they take.
1135
1:09:41 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] that we're alive
1136
1:09:50 --> 1:09:52
and there's no reason to think we're not going to be alive
1137
1:09:52 --> 1:09:54
tomorrow or the next day.
1138
1:09:54 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]s, you can't call somebody and say,
1139
1:09:57 --> 1:10:00
you realize you're going to die next Tuesday.
1140
1:10:00 --> 1:10:03
That's considered a crime because it is known
1141
1:10:03 --> 1:10:05
to be a psychological weapon.
1142
1:10:05 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]e do it as a matter of course now.
1143
1:10:09 --> 1:10:12
And they do it so that death comes closer
1144
1:10:12 --> 1:10:15
and life seems like a luxury.
1145
1:10:15 --> 1:10:18
Death comes closer and life seems like a luxury.
1146
1:10:18 --> 1:10:19
And it's all to induce us.
1147
1:10:19 --> 1:10:21
It's not just in people.
1148
1:10:21 --> 1:10:23
It's also in animals and pets.
1149
1:10:23 --> 1:10:25
It's in veterinary culture.
1150
1:10:25 --> 1:10:31
Everything is the slippery slope that life
1151
1:10:31 --> 1:10:33
is going closer to death.
1152
1:10:33 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]e for so many reasons
1153
1:10:35 --> 1:10:39
should be considered virtually already dead.
1154
1:10:39 --> 1:10:42
So it's a kind of degradation of life.
1155
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And it happens very subtly but also very overtly.
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So with that, I will, oh, Prometheus,
1157
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the ancient Greeks, Prometheus.
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1:10:53 --> 1:10:59
So they said, Prometheus said, I blinded them
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to the day of their deaths so that they would aspire.
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1:11:03 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]s, not being made against our will,
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1:11:09 --> 1:11:13
aware of when some entity out there tells us we're going to die
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1:11:13 --> 1:11:16
is a very fundamental, considered
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1:11:16 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ern civilization.
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1:11:20 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]e came along.
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1:11:23 --> 1:11:25
OK, Kevin.
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So Celia, for me, you've really hit it on the nail there
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1:11:30 --> 1:11:33
because I think that's exactly what they did.
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1:11:33 --> 1:11:37
They made life seem impossible and death
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1:11:37 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]e three years ago.
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And it has continued like that.
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1:11:45 --> 1:11:50
And I don't know how you managed to work that out,
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that you managed to articulate it.
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1:11:53 --> 1:11:57
But I think you're right on the money there.
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Thank you.
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Yeah.
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1:12:00 --> 1:12:01
Sorry, Kevin.
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1:12:04 --> 1:12:10
Well, thank you very much, Celia, for inviting me to talk.
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And what I'll say is, to be honest,
1179
1:12:13 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]arted in the whole AIDS nursing, HIV nursing,
1180
1:12:18 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction], I think it was the first UK ward.
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1:12:23 --> 1:12:26
And it was the one that was opened by Princess Diana.
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And I knew nothing about the science.
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I mean, I was just a staff nurse.
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1:12:31 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction] qualified.
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Had only been qualified six months.
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1:12:35 --> 1:12:38
And I went to work as an RN.
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1:12:38 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ed me because of the discrimination prejudice.
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1:12:42 --> 1:12:45
And Celia's referred to this already,
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that the rank prejudice, the fear in the mid 1980s
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was palpable.
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It was on every media outlet.
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1:12:56 --> 1:12:59
It was in all the newspapers.
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1:12:59 --> 1:13:04
Patients dying with AIDS were on the front pages,
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emaciated bodies, people with chaos, blemishes.
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It was profoundly fear that was being produced and promulgated.
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1:13:16 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]ed to it because I
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1:13:21 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] one day.
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I was working in general surgery after I qualified as an RN.
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And we had a patient admitted who had been diagnosed HLTVL3 positive,
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which was the terminology of the so-called virus before HIV.
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And the nurses literally wouldn't on the ward,
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1:13:45 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]e I was working with, everybody, just apart from me
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1:13:49 --> 1:13:54
and maybe one or two others, had this incredible,
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it was like a social experiment.
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1:13:58 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] wouldn't go near this patient at all.
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They wouldn't do anything.
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1:14:02 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction], an open ward with some side rooms.
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And the patient was put in one of the side rooms.
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1:14:10 --> 1:14:12
And totally unnecessary.
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1:14:12 --> 1:14:14
There's no need for this.
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I could see this sort of mechanism that was cleaving people
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1:14:19 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] each other.
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1:14:21 --> 1:14:25
And so that was one of the reasons why I was attracted to this.
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1:14:25 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] incredibly powerful.
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1:14:29 --> 1:14:32
And I wanted to be part of it.
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1:14:32 --> 1:14:34
Of course, I wanted to help people.
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1:14:34 --> 1:14:37
Everybody goes into health care with these notions.
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That was 1987.
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1:14:39 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]
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1:14:41 --> 1:14:48
And then it was 1996 that I encountered the UK version
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1:14:48 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ant groups that Celia mentioned in America.
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1:14:52 --> 1:14:56
In the UK, it was the Continuum magazine,
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1:14:56 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ie.
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1:14:58 --> 1:15:04
And they were publishing work by Celia, by Peter Juesberg,
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1:15:04 --> 1:15:07
by Eleni Papadopoulos, Eliopoulos, the Perth group,
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1:15:07 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]s.
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1:15:10 --> 1:15:14
And why I was doing, engaging with that magazine,
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that was 1996.
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1:15:16 --> 1:15:19
So it's like nearly [privacy contact redaction]arted
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working the whole field.
1231
1:15:21 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]arting to work in the field
1232
1:15:26 --> 1:15:30
and then waking up to the problems with the science,
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1:15:30 --> 1:15:32
there was nine years, really, nine years
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1:15:32 --> 1:15:37
of my clinical experience where every day it
1235
1:15:37 --> 1:15:41
was problematic working in the field on the AIDS units
1236
1:15:41 --> 1:15:43
in the 1980s.
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1:15:43 --> 1:15:45
No patient would get into an ITU,
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1:15:45 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction], hardly any.
1239
1:15:48 --> 1:15:49
You couldn't ventilate patients.
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1:15:49 --> 1:15:51
You couldn't intubate them.
1241
1:15:51 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]e were coming in with all sorts of symptoms.
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1:15:55 --> 1:15:57
And they were basically being written off
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1:15:57 --> 1:16:00
or given toxic medications like AZT.
1244
1:16:00 --> 1:16:03
And of course, I was part of that at the time.
1245
1:16:03 --> 1:16:05
So I'm being honest with you all.
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1:16:05 --> 1:16:08
I was part of that cult, that mindset.
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1:16:08 --> 1:16:12
And I had problems with it from the get go.
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1:16:12 --> 1:16:16
And it was profoundly difficult working in that field
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1:16:16 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]aff nurse, as a charge nurse,
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1:16:18 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]
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1:16:19 --> 1:16:22
And there were times when I was going
1252
1:16:22 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ers.
1253
1:16:24 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction] giving the medications,
1254
1:16:27 --> 1:16:30
the end of life medications that I thought
1255
1:16:30 --> 1:16:33
were being given too quickly or shouldn't be given at all.
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1:16:33 --> 1:16:37
I crossed through prescriptions.
1257
1:16:37 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]or's orders.
1258
1:16:39 --> 1:16:41
I got into a lot of trouble.
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1:16:41 --> 1:16:46
I was by no means a hero at all.
1260
1:16:46 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]royed my career in the end
1261
1:16:50 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]orate in social sciences
1262
1:16:54 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]e's experiences of testing.
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1:16:56 --> 1:17:01
And it was at that point that I, having come with difficulty
1264
1:17:01 --> 1:17:05
through this field, started to look at the underlying science.
1265
1:17:05 --> 1:17:09
And Continuum magazine in London was a sort of beacon for this
1266
1:17:09 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]e like Celia.
1267
1:17:12 --> 1:17:15
I remember reading her spin articles.
1268
1:17:15 --> 1:17:20
I remember going to a shop in London that sold spin magazine
1269
1:17:20 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]er back copies of her work.
1270
1:17:26 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]e like Carrie Mullis
1271
1:17:32 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction] David Rasnik, who's online tonight,
1272
1:17:36 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]ioning
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1:17:39 --> 1:17:41
the fundamentals of this.
1274
1:17:41 --> 1:17:46
And this woke me up, as it were, to the science.
1275
1:17:46 --> 1:17:51
I've already been awake to the inhumanity, the care pathways,
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1:17:51 --> 1:17:58
in inverted commas, the terminal care, which was really profoundly difficult.
1277
1:17:58 --> 1:18:03
I'm getting into so much trouble trying to resuscitate patients
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1:18:03 --> 1:18:08
that wanted to live, who the medics and the system surrounding the patient
1279
1:18:08 --> 1:18:11
wanted to basically kill.
1280
1:18:11 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]ivity, doing nothing, or writing them off with DNR orders,
1281
1:18:17 --> 1:18:22
or giving them toxic medications for all sorts of reasons.
1282
1:18:22 --> 1:18:27
And I can remember being in charge of the bronchoscopy suite
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1:18:27 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]
1284
1:18:28 --> 1:18:34
And my job was to repair patients with lung problems
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1:18:34 --> 1:18:38
that were having bronchoscopies for diagnostic purposes.
1286
1:18:38 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]ors at the time would be saying things to me like,
1287
1:18:43 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]art deteriorating, we're not going to resuscitate them,
1288
1:18:46 --> 1:18:48
we're just going to let them go.
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1:18:48 --> 1:18:53
I was saying, well, we can't do that, because if you're going to give a treatment,
1290
1:18:53 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]igation, like a bronchoscopy to diagnose and give a treatment,
1291
1:18:58 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ually ethically on dodgy ground,
1292
1:19:02 --> 1:19:06
because you're going to kill people by just letting them go if something happens.
1293
1:19:06 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]is or these so-called lung problems
1294
1:19:11 --> 1:19:14
associated with AIDS had very friable lungs.
1295
1:19:14 --> 1:19:20
They had a lot of pneumothoraxes during the bronchoscopies or post-pronchoscopy.
1296
1:19:20 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]s be to intubate or to put in a chest drain,
1297
1:19:26 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ain, so I had all the equipment there ready.
1298
1:19:30 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ors were working with this terminal mindset
1299
1:19:33 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]e are to be experimented on and to be allowed to
1300
1:19:39 --> 1:19:42
and would be let go, would die as a result of pneumothorax.
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1:19:42 --> 1:19:49
And as you know, if you get a mediastinal shift due to pneumothorax,
1302
1:19:49 --> 1:19:53
it can be, you can kill the patient very quickly.
1303
1:19:53 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ains quickly, you have to assist ventilation,
1304
1:19:57 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction] to intubate.
1305
1:19:59 --> 1:20:01
And they wouldn't do this, you see.
1306
1:20:01 --> 1:20:05
And I was, this is 1987, I was junior staff nurse,
1307
1:20:05 --> 1:20:13
and I found this totally utterly anti-everything that I was trained to do.
1308
1:20:13 --> 1:20:18
I remember going to the journals to try and find something to read on this.
1309
1:20:18 --> 1:20:23
And there was one article in the American Journal of Nursing in 1986,
1310
1:20:23 --> 1:20:29
and it was lead nurses in AIDS in the US talking about these issues
1311
1:20:29 --> 1:20:32
where they're having to push back on their medical colleagues
1312
1:20:32 --> 1:20:38
who are working with the terminal care, a death-making attitude to these patients.
1313
1:20:38 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] profoundly supportive to me that I found something in the literature
1314
1:20:43 --> 1:20:48
to support my clinical experience and what I was going through
1315
1:20:48 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] were going through.
1316
1:20:51 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] the death-making.
1317
1:20:55 --> 1:20:59
And that term death-making, I only learned about in the last 10 years,
1318
1:20:59 --> 1:21:03
was a term that Wolf Wolfensberger coined.
1319
1:21:03 --> 1:21:04
He developed this term.
1320
1:21:04 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] who did all the work in the US
1321
1:21:10 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]e with learning disabilities.
1322
1:21:16 --> 1:21:22
So he developed this whole approach to normalising care for people
1323
1:21:22 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]itutional systems wouldn't kill them,
1324
1:21:27 --> 1:21:29
wouldn't deny them support.
1325
1:21:29 --> 1:21:32
So this is going back to 1980s with AIDS.
1326
1:21:32 --> 1:21:36
This is what many of us were experiencing, not just me.
1327
1:21:36 --> 1:21:40
But I didn't understand the science or the lack of science at the time,
1328
1:21:40 --> 1:21:46
and not until the mid to late 1990s, through the work of people like Celia,
1329
1:21:46 --> 1:21:51
David Ransnick and all the other AIDS-distant scientists,
1330
1:21:51 --> 1:21:57
and reporters like John Lauritsen, John Rappaport and many others,
1331
1:21:57 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ie that published these people.
1332
1:22:01 --> 1:22:07
And once that... Once I'd reached that sort of science critique of it,
1333
1:22:07 --> 1:22:11
it shifted, and I realised that I couldn't work in that field.
1334
1:22:11 --> 1:22:17
So after I did my PhD, I couldn't go back into the AIDS field.
1335
1:22:17 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]arted writing articles and publishing, or trying to publish,
1336
1:22:22 --> 1:22:28
to develop some sort of critique of this or expose what was happening.
1337
1:22:28 --> 1:22:30
And this became problematic, obviously.
1338
1:22:30 --> 1:22:34
I don't think my career suffered in the way that the lead scientists
1339
1:22:34 --> 1:22:41
like Peter Juesberg or the others did, or indeed as Celia suffered in journalism,
1340
1:22:41 --> 1:22:47
because I was able to manipulate my career into nursing research,
1341
1:22:47 --> 1:22:53
into non-HIV research areas, and to teach in the university setting.
1342
1:22:53 --> 1:22:56
So that's where I was.
1343
1:22:56 --> 1:23:05
Now, where the whole industrial complex around AIDS was profoundly problematic
1344
1:23:05 --> 1:23:11
was in denying voice to these, you know, censoring in journals
1345
1:23:11 --> 1:23:17
and coming down on you like a ton of bricks when you managed to get anything published
1346
1:23:17 --> 1:23:20
that exposed the issues.
1347
1:23:20 --> 1:23:25
And this, I think, is something very similar to what's happened in the last three years.
1348
1:23:25 --> 1:23:32
But the issue about what was at the core of this was this hexing of individuals,
1349
1:23:32 --> 1:23:40
this inculcation into the psyche that people were diseased from the get-go.
1350
1:23:40 --> 1:23:46
And I'd just like to show a clip, if I can share it, that clip, Charles, that you...
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1:23:46 --> 1:23:48
Ready to go.
1352
1:23:48 --> 1:23:48
Yeah.
1353
1:23:48 --> 1:23:50
Ready to go now?
1354
1:23:50 --> 1:23:51
Yeah.
1355
1:23:51 --> 1:24:10
I don't think we've got a sound on it.
1356
1:24:10 --> 1:24:13
Kind of a special category among viruses.
1357
1:24:13 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] of all, its genetic information is RNA, but that's not unique in what defines it.
1358
1:24:18 --> 1:24:21
The poliovirus is RNA, the fluence is RNA.
1359
1:24:21 --> 1:24:27
But what's unique about the retrovirus is that when it gets into the cell,
1360
1:24:27 --> 1:24:33
the RNA is, we call it transcribed into a DNA form.
1361
1:24:33 --> 1:24:36
So essentially, the RNA is converted to DNA.
1362
1:24:36 --> 1:24:45
That DNA form gets to the nucleus of the cell and then becomes integrated into the target cell DNA
1363
1:24:45 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]ion is forever.
1364
1:24:49 --> 1:24:51
Is that how long it is, Kevin?
1365
1:24:51 --> 1:24:52
Yeah, that's fine.
1366
1:24:52 --> 1:24:54
Lovely.
1367
1:24:54 --> 1:24:56
Kevin, is that only 53 seconds?
1368
1:24:56 --> 1:24:57
Yeah, that's fine.
1369
1:24:57 --> 1:24:58
Yeah.
1370
1:24:58 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to show that because...
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1:25:02 --> 1:25:04
Are we back online?
1372
1:25:04 --> 1:25:05
Yeah.
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1:25:05 --> 1:25:14
That's the essence, not just of the key lie of virology, that there's a virus at the core of this.
1374
1:25:14 --> 1:25:25
But it's the key lie that was inculcated, it was promulgated, it was pushed into people's psyches,
1375
1:25:25 --> 1:25:31
that they are walking death, that they are dying from the get-go.
1376
1:25:31 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ed into the services in the 1980s, the so-called care services.
1377
1:25:41 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ors and nurses that were part of this, that promoted it, were using.
1378
1:25:50 --> 1:25:54
They were working with this model that doctors would say to me,
1379
1:25:54 --> 1:26:00
Kevin, there's no point putting these patients in intensive care because they're dead already.
1380
1:26:00 --> 1:26:03
They're like walking zombies.
1381
1:26:03 --> 1:26:10
And there's no point doing this because if you do that somewhere later down the line, they're going to die anyway.
1382
1:26:10 --> 1:26:15
So we'll give them this, we'll give them that, we'll give them X, we'll give them Y, but we won't give them Z.
1383
1:26:15 --> 1:26:20
And we'll just let them go peacefully with dimorphine or something similar.
1384
1:26:20 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ly from that virological model that you just saw Robert Gallo talking about,
1385
1:26:30 --> 1:26:35
which was a nonsense because there's no such thing as HIV RNA anyway.
1386
1:26:35 --> 1:26:37
And the Perth Group's work showed that.
1387
1:26:37 --> 1:26:39
There is no isolate.
1388
1:26:39 --> 1:26:41
There is no virus underneath it.
1389
1:26:41 --> 1:26:44
It is a chimera.
1390
1:26:44 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]e, Janine Roberts,
1391
1:26:49 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]on, the Perth Group and also Peter Juesberg have uncovered through investigative journalism, through science critique.
1392
1:27:01 --> 1:27:09
But it was that model that took hold through the propaganda that you saw and you heard Celia talking about.
1393
1:27:09 --> 1:27:14
It took hold of the public mindset, the science mindset, the medical mindset.
1394
1:27:14 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction] for those first nine years before I discovered the so-called science was problematic.
1395
1:27:23 --> 1:27:29
This was the inhumanity that was profoundly difficult to counter.
1396
1:27:29 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]e had gone through that portal and got that label of HIV positive, there was a social hex on them
1397
1:27:38 --> 1:27:45
that was very difficult for individuals to uncouple from to a greater or lesser extent.
1398
1:27:45 --> 1:27:49
And of course, the ideal is don't go through that door.
1399
1:27:49 --> 1:27:53
Don't test. You don't do it. Just don't do it.
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1:27:53 --> 1:28:02
But of course, it's like the Covid and the PCR tests and the last three years and the lateral flows and then the so-called vaccines.
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1:28:02 --> 1:28:07
It's very difficult socially for people to try to unlink themselves from that.
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1:28:07 --> 1:28:13
And this was the parallel back into the 80s and into the 90s.
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1:28:13 --> 1:28:27
By the middle of the 90s, I'd seen the caveats of the whole nonsense, the whole fraud, the big lie, the things that Celia were talking about.
1404
1:28:27 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] was some sort of amorphous.
1405
1:28:34 --> 1:28:38
It was this death making. It was this death making.
1406
1:28:38 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] the virology, but the whole idea of contagion and the whole idea that people from the get go are, you know, no-hopers.
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1:28:52 --> 1:29:01
And this was the profound problem I had, not just as an RN, but then as an RN who trained in a scientific method
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1:29:01 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction], a health scientist, but also as a Roman Catholic, had profound problems over this.
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1:29:10 --> 1:29:18
And it wasn't just a question of not participating in abortion during surgery.
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1:29:18 --> 1:29:24
That was an easy one to get out of. But this was, you know, medical orders coming down.
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1:29:24 --> 1:29:29
You're in charge of the ward. There we are. This patient needs dimorphine IV now.
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1:29:29 --> 1:29:35
They're dying. And they get written off. And you have to at that stage oppose it.
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1:29:35 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]and up and say, you're not going to do this.
1414
1:29:39 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]art, you know, doing something actively to counter this at a grassroots level.
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1:29:47 --> 1:29:54
And that's what gets you labelled. I remember being on a ward. It wasn't the AIDS ward.
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1:29:54 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] and had an AIDS patient who choked on a Mars bar.
1417
1:30:03 --> 1:30:08
He was going home the following day, had got over treatment for PCP pneumonia.
1418
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He's had two weeks of septum and his bone marrow was still intact.
1419
1:30:12 --> 1:30:17
There was very few of those, but he was going home the following day.
1420
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But he was choking on chocolate.
1421
1:30:19 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction], lay him flat, take, suck out his esophagus with a suction device.
1422
1:30:31 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]'s sister started to pull me back and saying, Kevin, just let him go.
1423
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He's AIDS. He's dying. He's going to die anyway.
1424
1:30:41 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] from her and doing mouth to mouth on this patient
1425
1:30:49 --> 1:30:55
with the chocolate and all. And I was telling the other staff nurses to get the defibrillator.
1426
1:30:55 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ice, you know, at that stage where if you don't do anything,
1427
1:31:03 --> 1:31:08
you're party to euthanasia, or actually you're party to murder.
1428
1:31:08 --> 1:31:18
And I think that having seen that, you know, at that level, that was 1988,
1429
1:31:18 --> 1:31:27
and then later on 1996, reading Peter Juesberg's work, Celia's work, David Rasnik's and the Perth Group's work.
1430
1:31:27 --> 1:31:35
Yes, you've got an understanding of what was wrong with the science, you know, the lies underneath this.
1431
1:31:35 --> 1:31:45
But, you know, if it's all built on a lie, that doesn't undo the harms that were done in response to that lie.
1432
1:31:45 --> 1:31:52
So this is what I do believe that you get, one can get sucked into the science arguments,
1433
1:31:52 --> 1:32:00
the binaries between, you know, different competing argumentation over the fundamental science.
1434
1:32:00 --> 1:32:06
And I'm not saying those are unimportant, but at the end of the day, it's the harms that are done
1435
1:32:06 --> 1:32:14
that are important to push back on at a granular level, as well as on a macro level, you know, writing and publishing about it.
1436
1:32:15 --> 1:32:16
But also the...
1437
1:32:16 --> 1:32:22
Kevin, listening to you, I wonder whether, you know, you were quite junior at the time, you'd only just qualified,
1438
1:32:22 --> 1:32:27
you hadn't got the experience, but actually what you were reacting against, in my view,
1439
1:32:27 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]ice medicine without ethics or nursing, the same thing, on that kind of ward you were on.
1440
1:32:37 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]ly the same thing has been asked of us during the last three years.
1441
1:32:43 --> 1:32:48
Yes, it is. And I think the similarities with Covid, it's the other way.
1442
1:32:48 --> 1:32:55
You know, whereas with the AIDS patients in the 80s, it was so hard to get them into ICU.
1443
1:32:55 --> 1:33:04
You would push to get the central line in, you would push to get the...
1444
1:33:04 --> 1:33:11
all the support, the intravenous therapy, whatever, you'd push very quickly for that.
1445
1:33:11 --> 1:33:16
But you'd have to push, push, push every minute of the shift, right?
1446
1:33:16 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] with Covid was you couldn't stop people being ventilated in 2020.
1447
1:33:21 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]s that were routine, but this is 30, 40 years after AIDS.
1448
1:33:28 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]
1449
1:33:31 --> 1:33:41
The technology was more available and the Covid pathways were death making pathways.
1450
1:33:41 --> 1:33:44
I don't think that this is any different to...
1451
1:33:44 --> 1:33:49
and maybe I'll be shot down for saying there's a similarity here to the orders,
1452
1:33:49 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ers that were given during the Nazi era in the hospitals and the care homes and the death camps,
1453
1:33:57 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]e thought they were doing the right thing.
1454
1:34:00 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ep, the Gleitlsten, you know, the coordination across society was similar, I think.
1455
1:34:08 --> 1:34:11
And that's where all these things tie up.
1456
1:34:11 --> 1:34:17
That's the great similarity between Covid and AIDS is the lockstep, the coordination,
1457
1:34:17 --> 1:34:23
the mindset of contagion theory that was applied to the populations.
1458
1:34:23 --> 1:34:34
And, you know, we've uncovered this, the PSYOPs, the detailed application of psychological techniques here.
1459
1:34:34 --> 1:34:43
I don't think it's any drama to say that these were very similar to the Nazi era.
1460
1:34:43 --> 1:34:53
But I think coming back to what Celia was saying, you know, taking the science arguments alone isn't enough here, you know,
1461
1:34:53 --> 1:34:58
and then you get sucked into these binaries of virus, no virus or whatever.
1462
1:34:58 --> 1:35:07
The harms that are done in the name of the big lie, in the big lie of virology, is that there aren't any viruses,
1463
1:35:07 --> 1:35:12
there aren't any isolates of HIV or SARS-CoV-2.
1464
1:35:12 --> 1:35:17
There never were. At the centre of this is a great emptiness.
1465
1:35:17 --> 1:35:26
But at the centre of this is the evil of what I would say is death making, like a cult where people are hexed to death.
1466
1:35:26 --> 1:35:33
And that social, psychological operation will kill a lot of people.
1467
1:35:33 --> 1:35:39
And in the 80s, you would kill people by just giving them the antibody positive results.
1468
1:35:39 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]e, not some people went out and killed themselves, but it would kill people's spirit,
1469
1:35:45 --> 1:35:56
kill their psyche for them to believe that they have got this infection and that they could then be contagious within the rest of the population.
1470
1:35:56 --> 1:36:01
That's the evil here. That's the evil.
1471
1:36:01 --> 1:36:09
And I think that bracketing the science arguments, looking at the harms, which I think what most people are doing,
1472
1:36:09 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] because the harms are there, whatever, you know, the harms don't go away if you prove there's no virus.
1473
1:36:21 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ancing, masking, death making, midazolam, dimorphin, all these instruments,
1474
1:36:32 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] harmed people and are continuing to do that.
1475
1:36:38 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ions, misnamed vaccinations, this is going on.
1476
1:36:43 --> 1:36:49
This is this is the I think the essence of of what the fight's about, really.
1477
1:36:49 --> 1:36:54
So there we go. I've just got to plug in my computer. Hang on.
1478
1:36:54 --> 1:36:57
Can I, Charles, can I jump in and say something?
1479
1:36:57 --> 1:37:08
I'll just say one thing, Celia. I think that the thing that's common to both stories is taking away of hope from human beings.
1480
1:37:08 --> 1:37:16
We were taught this at medical school. Never take, at our medical school anyway, never take hope away from the patient.
1481
1:37:16 --> 1:37:21
And of course, as students, we used to ask, why is that so important?
1482
1:37:21 --> 1:37:28
Well, if we were told by the professors, if you take hope away from patients, they will die.
1483
1:37:28 --> 1:37:32
And that's exactly what they did with the AIDS.
1484
1:37:32 --> 1:37:35
And that's exactly what they've done now.
1485
1:37:35 --> 1:37:40
And that's why people are stuck in a state of Stockholm syndrome.
1486
1:37:40 --> 1:37:44
Stephen, could I just address what you just said and what Kevin just said real quick?
1487
1:37:44 --> 1:37:49
Well, am I on? Yeah, very, very crucial.
1488
1:37:49 --> 1:37:56
We are right over the target right here or this this target at hand in this conversation.
1489
1:37:56 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]orical context.
1490
1:37:58 --> 1:38:08
So in what I think one of the top, one of my most favorite interviews I ever did was with and Dave Rasnik knew him,
1491
1:38:08 --> 1:38:12
I think Kevin knew him to a wonderful science scientist named Richard Stroman.
1492
1:38:12 --> 1:38:18
And he campaigned around the world and later in his career against genetic determinism.
1493
1:38:18 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] And to cut to the chase, what Richard Stroman told me in the year was 2000,
1494
1:38:25 --> 1:38:31
I was assigned, believe it or not, by Tina Brown to do try for Talk magazine, if anybody remembers.
1495
1:38:31 --> 1:38:38
And it never it didn't it didn't go anywhere because of what she called me and said, I'm sorry.
1496
1:38:38 --> 1:38:43
They called me and said, we'd like you to do an article on gene therapy.
1497
1:38:43 --> 1:38:49
And I said, well, I'm unlikely to come back with an enthusiastic article about gene therapy.
1498
1:38:49 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] the wrong reporter.
1499
1:38:52 --> 1:38:54
And they said, no, no, Tina wants you to do it.
1500
1:38:54 --> 1:38:58
So I went out to do an article about gene therapy.
1501
1:38:58 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] thing you ran into back then about gene therapy, I went to Penn State,
1502
1:39:03 --> 1:39:04
which was the epicenter of it.
1503
1:39:04 --> 1:39:13
And I walked in and the press office and the man said, running the press office, he said, well, we killed an 18 year old kid.
1504
1:39:13 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] thing out of his mouth.
1505
1:39:15 --> 1:39:22
I mean, the press officer for Penn State and where the where this had all was like,
1506
1:39:23 --> 1:39:27
the epicenter of this research, that was Jesse Gelsinger.
1507
1:39:27 --> 1:39:35
He was 18 years old and he was he wanted to help science and he had a rare genetic disorder.
1508
1:39:35 --> 1:39:38
There aren't that many, but there are some, right.
1509
1:39:38 --> 1:39:44
As we know, and he had this one where he couldn't eat nitrites, he couldn't eat hot dogs and things like that.
1510
1:39:44 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]ed to become part of a very tragic trial testing gene therapy.
1511
1:39:52 --> 1:40:01
So gene therapy was he was going to be injected with genetic materials that were supposed to repair this genetic defect.
1512
1:40:01 --> 1:40:04
Well, instead, he died a hideous death.
1513
1:40:04 --> 1:40:10
His his blood congealed, his organs shut down one by one.
1514
1:40:10 --> 1:40:13
Again, he was 18 years old and there was nothing particularly wrong with him.
1515
1:40:14 --> 1:40:21
But his death caused the field of gene therapy or so we believed to grind to a screeching halt.
1516
1:40:21 --> 1:40:24
His death was not seen as business as usual.
1517
1:40:24 --> 1:40:27
It was seen as what it was, a catastrophe, a disaster.
1518
1:40:27 --> 1:40:29
It caused a huge crisis in the field.
1519
1:40:30 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]ory, I got in touch with Richard Stroman, who was also an HIV dissident, but I'd never interviewed him before.
1520
1:40:38 --> 1:40:42
And he and for me, this was like time stopped when he explained this.
1521
1:40:42 --> 1:40:46
And it speaks to what you said, Stephen, and what Kevin was just saying.
1522
1:40:46 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]roman said, we are in something called the machine model of biology and the machine model of biology was a very clear moment in biology that came in around the time of World War One, where they the.
1523
1:41:09 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] a blanket term for all these people who think like this.
1524
1:41:14 --> 1:41:22
Maybe it'll come to me, but let's just say that the forces that were coming together to that brought up, bring us to these nightmares where we are today.
1525
1:41:22 --> 1:41:31
They decided when they were conceiving of this machine model of biology that God had to be kicked out of biology.
1526
1:41:32 --> 1:41:37
And with God being kicked out of biology, out goes the miracle.
1527
1:41:38 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ephen, you spoke to having been taught that if you take hope from people, you're already part way to killing them.
1528
1:41:46 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] what you were taught in medical school.
1529
1:41:50 --> 1:41:51
Is that what you said?
1530
1:41:51 --> 1:41:52
Right.
1531
1:41:52 --> 1:41:52
Sure.
1532
1:41:52 --> 1:41:53
Right.
1533
1:41:53 --> 1:41:57
You don't take hope away from the patient as a doctor.
1534
1:41:58 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] to massage the truth a bit, especially with some personalities, then I always did it.
1535
1:42:07 --> 1:42:10
But I'm not sure that my colleagues did.
1536
1:42:12 --> 1:42:12
Sorry.
1537
1:42:13 --> 1:42:14
Yeah, no, sorry.
1538
1:42:14 --> 1:42:16
I didn't mean to be so adamant about it.
1539
1:42:16 --> 1:42:16
I'm trying to.
1540
1:42:17 --> 1:42:26
So the machine model of biology, its first, I think, dark, horrific fruit, at least in the modern era is HIV AIDS.
1541
1:42:26 --> 1:42:27
So what does it hold?
1542
1:42:27 --> 1:42:32
The machine model of biology, Richard Stroman explained to me, is that we are machines.
1543
1:42:32 --> 1:42:35
We are like we are like we are machines.
1544
1:42:35 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] a broken part, it may get replaced.
1545
1:42:39 --> 1:42:42
But there's like a ticking clock element.
1546
1:42:42 --> 1:42:44
There's no chance there's no.
1547
1:42:44 --> 1:42:49
And this ties into markets where he said, you know, you don't want any chance.
1548
1:42:49 --> 1:42:50
You don't want any miracle.
1549
1:42:50 --> 1:42:52
You don't want any surprises.
1550
1:42:52 --> 1:42:53
And this is what we see.
1551
1:42:53 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]rophobic and deterministic like a machine, exactly what it sounds like.
1552
1:43:01 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]raight to Yuval Harari.
1553
1:43:07 --> 1:43:09
You can all see him and hear him.
1554
1:43:09 --> 1:43:10
Right.
1555
1:43:10 --> 1:43:16
And he's literally standing up there saying that humans are hackable animals.
1556
1:43:16 --> 1:43:19
This is what they were going for to eliminate.
1557
1:43:20 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]roman called it the miracle.
1558
1:43:22 --> 1:43:24
Some may call it God.
1559
1:43:24 --> 1:43:27
There are many. But but what we know what we're talking about.
1560
1:43:27 --> 1:43:34
And that is the the thing that falls outside of this hideous factory mentality.
1561
1:43:34 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]e, it's not this is what they want.
1562
1:43:37 --> 1:43:42
It's it's it's what do we see in the Nazi?
1563
1:43:42 --> 1:43:51
All the Nazi Reich is all about the mechanization to create a mechanical death system inside of which there is no miracle.
1564
1:43:51 --> 1:43:53
There are no surprises.
1565
1:43:53 --> 1:43:54
It's a machine model of biology.
1566
1:43:54 --> 1:43:56
And that means we are machines.
1567
1:43:56 --> 1:43:57
We can't affect anything.
1568
1:43:58 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]or class who are supposed to be the machine tinkerers and the machine fixers.
1569
1:44:03 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]roman said when this thing came into biology, that was the that was the darkness.
1570
1:44:11 --> 1:44:12
That was the beginning.
1571
1:44:12 --> 1:44:13
And that.
1572
1:44:14 --> 1:44:19
Yeah, because the ethics go the ethics go out of the window and the humanity goes as well.
1573
1:44:19 --> 1:44:21
And the emotions, everything.
1574
1:44:21 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]e like Harari and Schwab and all the rest of them, Tedros, they never ever talk about emotions.
1575
1:44:28 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]os talks about public health.
1576
1:44:32 --> 1:44:34
Well, public health is another tyranny.
1577
1:44:35 --> 1:44:43
So when you create tyrannies, you have to have things in place to check those potential tyrannies.
1578
1:44:43 --> 1:44:46
And and that's true of doctors as well.
1579
1:44:46 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] enormous power, influence over their patients.
1580
1:44:50 --> 1:44:57
And so the ethics are absolutely essential in with doctors, obviously.
1581
1:44:57 --> 1:45:04
And if you've got artificial intelligence as they want running medicine instead of doctors, then, of course, they get rid of.
1582
1:45:04 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] of emotion as they've got now.
1583
1:45:08 --> 1:45:14
Stephen, just to add to what Celia said, the machine model in AIDS.
1584
1:45:14 --> 1:45:25
Yes, it's genetic, but the model, the machine model came out of the technology applied in AIDS.
1585
1:45:25 --> 1:45:38
The T cell counting, the viral load testing, the PCR testing, the creation of these concepts of T cell death and viral load increasing.
1586
1:45:38 --> 1:45:45
The this was the machine model of AIDS where people were put into virtual.
1587
1:45:46 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]e's bodies were recreated virtually.
1588
1:45:49 --> 1:46:00
And it was a death making creation because the way the PCR worked, the viral load would go up and the T cell counts would go down.
1589
1:46:01 --> 1:46:02
And that indicated death.
1590
1:46:03 --> 1:46:03
And that was the model.
1591
1:46:03 --> 1:46:05
But that's not how you practice medicine, Kevin, you know that.
1592
1:46:05 --> 1:46:06
Well, no, no, exactly.
1593
1:46:06 --> 1:46:18
But that's what was that was what was foisted on the medical elite, the medical power base in the 1980s, along with along with the
1594
1:46:18 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]ion and Celia's first edition of her book and her second one has a very good
1595
1:46:31 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]s on the creation of that whole concept of asymptomatic equals infection.
1596
1:46:40 --> 1:46:50
And and this whole idea that T cell counting and PCR viral load are rational concepts.
1597
1:46:51 --> 1:46:55
They're not. They're totally irrational, but they were they were promulgated.
1598
1:46:55 --> 1:46:56
They were brought in.
1599
1:46:57 --> 1:46:59
They were given authority.
1600
1:46:59 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]ry got behind them because the money, because the profits and the medical profession actually had to swallow that.
1601
1:47:08 --> 1:47:17
They went along with it, even though at the time there were a lot of dissent, there's a lot of dissent, but the mainstream actually got behind it.
1602
1:47:17 --> 1:47:30
And therefore, this was the groundwork for, you know, the successive viral plandemics that didn't take off until Covid after HIV.
1603
1:47:30 --> 1:47:33
And this is quite important.
1604
1:47:33 --> 1:47:37
Without those technologies, it wouldn't have happened.
1605
1:47:37 --> 1:47:54
It was the technologies that facilitated it along with, you know, the individuals and the product champions like Robert Gallo and Montagnier and all the others, all the other big players that helped create this.
1606
1:47:55 --> 1:48:06
UK, we had Robin Weiss and others, Philip Morsimer and the public laboratory system that in America you have Fauci producing this.
1607
1:48:06 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]ayers and the technology were synergistic with the industry.
1608
1:48:12 --> 1:48:23
And this is what created this lefiophon, this behemoth, this evil empire, whatever we want to call it.
1609
1:48:24 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] focusing on the science, I think Celia is absolutely right.
1610
1:48:28 --> 1:48:31
It's not enough. It never has been enough.
1611
1:48:31 --> 1:48:38
And getting sucked into binary debates and the caveats of testing isn't enough.
1612
1:48:39 --> 1:48:41
It skims the surface of it.
1613
1:48:41 --> 1:48:48
But Kevin, we've discussed that Covid-19 was a failure of diagnosis.
1614
1:48:48 --> 1:48:52
And I think, you know, I wasn't very interested at the time.
1615
1:48:52 --> 1:48:56
Well, I was interested in bits of it about HIV AIDS.
1616
1:48:57 --> 1:49:02
But I think that AIDS was also a failure of diagnosis.
1617
1:49:02 --> 1:49:07
And the whole thing about making technology and science God.
1618
1:49:08 --> 1:49:11
When they're bastardisations.
1619
1:49:11 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]n by ethics should be dictating how medicine is practised, not scientists who've never been to medical school,
1620
1:49:19 --> 1:49:24
and they've never seen a patient in their lives and certainly not artificial intelligence.
1621
1:49:24 --> 1:49:26
But that's my view.
1622
1:49:26 --> 1:49:28
I think you're right.
1623
1:49:28 --> 1:49:38
I think that the it is the essentially showing doctors, nurses, nurse practitioners, whoever does the diagnosis,
1624
1:49:38 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]isations of the differential diagnosis.
1625
1:49:43 --> 1:49:47
It's a way of helping people wake up to the reality.
1626
1:49:47 --> 1:49:55
But I think Celia pointed to the reality of what you're actually dealing with here is much broader, bigger
1627
1:49:55 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] the technology or the tests or the drugs.
1628
1:50:03 --> 1:50:14
What's underneath this, the underbelly of it, the dark underbelly of it is a spiritual evil.
1629
1:50:14 --> 1:50:19
It's it's it's it's you know, this is I think what's profound.
1630
1:50:19 --> 1:50:21
The mechanisation of death.
1631
1:50:21 --> 1:50:23
OK, the Nazis did this.
1632
1:50:24 --> 1:50:33
The T4, all the rest of it, doctors, nurses, health care professionals acting as though with a mindset that they're helping people,
1633
1:50:34 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction]e.
1634
1:50:37 --> 1:50:41
And this is the evil that I saw.
1635
1:50:41 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction]ors and nurses in the 80s thinking they're helping people.
1636
1:50:46 --> 1:50:52
But I could see that somehow I could see it and others could because it doesn't always work.
1637
1:50:52 --> 1:50:55
This witchcraft doesn't work on everybody.
1638
1:50:55 --> 1:50:59
You could see at the edges of this, it wasn't working.
1639
1:50:59 --> 1:51:01
It wasn't doing they're not doing what they think they're doing.
1640
1:51:02 --> 1:51:05
They're actually doing the opposite, but they don't realise it.
1641
1:51:05 --> 1:51:08
Or if they do, they've made an accommodation with it.
1642
1:51:09 --> 1:51:11
But many don't realise this.
1643
1:51:11 --> 1:51:21
And I think this is the great evil that's happened is somehow the inversion has been very, very powerful.
1644
1:51:21 --> 1:51:24
And we've seen this in the last three years.
1645
1:51:24 --> 1:51:26
Eugenius, we've got five hands up, given.
1646
1:51:27 --> 1:51:28
Yeah, OK.
1647
1:51:28 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]ephen hasn't started asking his questions.
1648
1:51:31 --> 1:51:32
Well, can I just ask one, Charles?
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It's just one I wanted to ask Kevin and Celia.
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So one of the things I was thinking about, you know, the AIDS thing and the propaganda
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that was put out at the time, Celia, those films, I'd never seen those before.
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Incredible. Those cannot be defended by any doctor.
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I don't care what any doctor says.
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Those films cannot be defended even in the interests of public health.
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No, if that's what public health is about, scaring people to that extent and turning people against each other,
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then we can't have that.
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So what was the purpose of AIDS?
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You know, all that nonsense.
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And now this Covid nonsense, bearing in mind that I think that AIDS was a failure in diagnosis.
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You know, the AIDS disease, the so-called disease, which actually was a basket of diseases
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as far as I've been able to make out.
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And then Covid-19, which was never properly diagnosed in my...
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And I don't think AIDS was either at HIV.
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I'm not sure about that either.
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I don't think that was properly detected.
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So what was the purpose of it all?
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In my view, it was to drive doctors away from medical ethics and drive a wedge between doctors and their patients.
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1:53:00 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction] And also, I wonder, I'm really interested in Kevin.
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We had a conversation about two months ago, Kevin, you and I, remember we discussed, you said to me,
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1:53:14 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]ingly, the virologists gained ground, but the immunologist fell back.
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1:53:22 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]s advanced, the immunologist died.
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Isn't that interesting?
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1:53:28 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]icated.
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1:53:32 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]s were kings of medicine, you said then, and the virologists became the new kings.
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So was the whole purpose of AIDS, the scam, which was AIDS, the scandal and the scandal, which was Covid,
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1:53:47 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]ually introduce this world of virology, which made possible in the populations' minds around the world
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that deadly pandemics were possible?
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My view is that deadly pandemics are not possible for the simple reason that a deadly pandemic kills its host before it can become a pandemic by definition.
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1:54:13 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to know what you think of those points that I made, Kevin and Celia, if you can answer the question.
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OK, shall I go first?
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I'll jump in.
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1:54:28 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction], Stephen?
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1:54:30 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction], Celia.
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OK.
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1:54:34 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
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1:54:35 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]ion, what comes to my mind is this.
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1:54:40 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]ablishment of virus as revolutionary tool, medium and weapon of global public health, that is established.
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So diseases are local, am I right?
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Generally speaking, there's a cholera epidemic in Romania because of a contaminated body of water and so on and so forth.
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Whenever, and this is something Dave Rasnik and I spoke about and he taught me a lot about this, that map that you saw with Covid with a pshh all over,
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that's not how diseases spread.
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It's the technologies make it possible for there to be the appearance of an instantaneous global quote unquote pandemic.
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1:55:28 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]ified what they what they achieved.
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1:55:31 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction] to hear anything coming out of the mouths of Bill Gates, Tony Fauci, Yuval Harari, who's the other one?
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1:55:38 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction] that they speak, they give us the answers.
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They they say every time they speak of their and it's with this kind of strange,
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1:55:50 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction], this lust for the next one and the next one and how bad it's going to be.
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1:55:59 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction], let's establish that one of the revolutionary values of these people is that if you say, to your point, Steven, there's hope.
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Maybe you'll be OK.
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1:56:13 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]e, Donald Trump in the beginning, before he whatever happened with him, he would stand up at those press conferences and say,
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1:56:21 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]e who left the hospital.
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1:56:24 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] recovered. And if you recall, he was of course, he's pilloried for almost everything he does.
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But for that, he was pilloried by the lords and and leaders of the of the covid, you know, right.
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And they were so familiar to me from the AIDS, right, that anybody who said what seems like a normal, hopeful, kind thing,
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well, let's hope people do better. They are attacked because guess what?
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The theory of like the virus weapon has to be kept.
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The virus theory has to be kept alive and it is only kept alive if terror is never mitigated.
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And that means bad news, bad news, bad news, bad news, which is completely alien to all forms of medicine.
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Right. As you said, Stephen, as you try to say, well, we don't know.
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Let's see what happens. Maybe it will be OK.
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Not with these revolutionary virus dark.
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Orders, it's like a dark order of dark virus that says there's never any hope.
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It's mechanism, it's mechanistic, deterministic.
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1:57:27 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]s. Everyone's going to die.
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1:57:31 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] see that what they've achieved here is a is a global tyranny of virus,
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do virus, doom, ism, you know, as an occult, as an occult global economic takeover weapon, if that makes sense.
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And also, Kevin, you and then we've got six hands up now.
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So very quickly, that clip of Robert Gallo, the essence of it is.
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What was talking about here, which is that was the model, that was the idea, that was the mean it gets inside you.
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There's nothing you can do. It takes you over and kills you.
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And then it repeats it on every cell in your body. So no matter what you do, I work with virologists in 1987,
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who would say this at meetings, there's nothing you can do.
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They're going to die. They're time bombs. We're all going to die.
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Yeah, exactly. It's crazy. It's just crazy thing to be saying. Psychotic behavior.
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1:58:35 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ice, we wouldn't call it discipline, of virology into a pseudoscience.
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1:58:46 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]s, the immunologists who didn't get a look in with many AIDS patients by the end of the 1980s.
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And by the 90s, virology was this edifice of industrial complex that was just you go to every bloody meeting across the world.
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1:59:06 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] full of pharma, full of technology, full of tests.
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And that is the problem. That's not medicine. That's not anything that we knew of before the 1980s. It's quite different.
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Well said. OK, let's go on. Well said, beautifully, Celia.
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1:59:27 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]ephen shared with you on the invitation to us all.
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It occurs to me because Susan from Film Jedi put in there that Bobby Kennedy Jr.
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accepts who killed his dad. You weren't killed for questioning the system.
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Kevin wasn't killed for questioning the system. Stephen, you weren't killed for questioning the system.
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JFK was. Celia, you might write an article on your substack really articulating the attacks that happened on you in this journey to give courage to other
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2:00:02 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]e to push back. I'm just putting it as a suggestion. Number one. Number two, before we get to Gary.
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I think it's important there is Lorraine here with please take a note of these websites because this is the action that's happening.
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2:00:18 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction] Mandates dot org, everybody. So Kevin and Celia, please save your chat.
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John Davidson here from BrokenTruth dot com.
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And then I found I'm going to show this on the screen. This is this is so relevant.
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Have a look at this, everybody. Who has heard of Citizen Go?
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Well, check it out. Citizen Go dot org.
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2:00:46 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]e on our agenda, everybody.
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Seventeen and a half million in one organization. I've never even heard of them. I've checked with people.
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Now, George Christiansen has just left the Australian Parliament.
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He's now the country head for Citizen Go in Australia, a new appointment.
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So check that out as well. Three websites for us all of this enormous looking at that Celia, that wheel that's happening, you know, more and more people are awakening,
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2:01:19 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]ers.
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2:01:22 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] this great confidence and say, no, what you have to do with these guys,
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with the psychopaths, the psychopaths to laugh in their face because they're shit scared of us.
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So let's go to questions. Gary.
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Thank you, Charles. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Celia, for joining us.
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2:01:42 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]art with a very short preamble.
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So the parallels between HIV AIDS and Corona COVID are pretty clear.
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You know, the fear propaganda, questionable testing, questionable diagnoses, diagnosis of asymptomatic cases,
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censorship of any dissent for the public narrative, dangerous treatment, compare Remdesivir with AZT, the use of ventilation, even the characters involved, a.k.a. Fauci.
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2:02:18 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction]ion is, I've got two questions and then I want to make a comment,
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which is really what I was trying to understand is whether you believe the HIV virus actually exists or that the AIDS disease actually exists.
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And if it didn't, did a lot of people who died in hospital, purportedly of AIDS, did they not actually die of AIDS,
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but did they die of the treatment that they were given for AIDS?
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Because it seems like the mortality for AIDS now is a lot less sinister than it was when all that fear propaganda was prevailing back in the 80s and even the early 90s.
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So that's my question. Maybe I'll say why I'm motivated by that question, which is I once read, I actually didn't read it, but a professor, an actuarial professor at the University of Cape Town read it, read extracts to me.
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He was reading an article from the Society of Actuaries who had done a mortality study and they looked at cases and what it took to actually get AIDS, the level of promiscuity of some of the cases.
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And even some of those cases weren't even HIV positive.
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2:03:33 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]ion the reliability of the testing and the diagnoses for AIDS, because if some people can be that promiscuous and not get it, then it boggles the mind.
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And the other thing I want to ask you is, you know, I came across an oncologist recently who's been red-pilled, so to speak, at the start of the pandemic.
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He was very pro-vaccine.
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He realized that there were bigger things to fry than the COVID pandemic, more about starvation and all the rest and poverty all over in other parts of the world.
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But he was, we need to do what we can to stop the spread.
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2:04:16 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction], he realized that the virus wasn't as deadly as it was made out to be and the treatment wasn't as dangerous, wasn't as safe and effective as it was made out to be.
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But, you know, he grew up in South Africa and his domestic help that he had there was purportedly died of AIDS.
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They had a very high incidence of AIDS in South Africa.
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And I think if you had to say to him that she didn't die of AIDS, you know, she died of the treatment that she was given for AIDS, I'm not sure he would find that easy to accept to understand.
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2:04:57 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]ion to, especially to Kevin, but, you know, Celia as well, you know, does this virus actually exist or does the disease exist?
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Is that what you're saying?
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Or we don't know for sure.
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2:05:09 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]e who died of AIDS should not have?
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And finally, I just want to make a make a make a comment, so I don't have to come back to the to the to the question.
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2:05:20 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]ing this WHO, this World Health Organization Treaty.
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Imagine what would happen to us all, what would have happened to us all in the 1980s if the WHO declared an AIDS pandemic.
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All right, let me let me pass the microphone back with those two questions that I gave you.
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2:05:41 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]e die from the treatment rather than the disease?
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Kevin, you you go ahead and answer that first, would you?
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2:05:51 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction], Kevin, you don't have to prove everything beyond reasonable doubt at the moment.
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So what's your opinion as a.
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My opinion is that there's no scientific proof.
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That the human in immunodeficiency virus is a virus as defined by the Pasteur Institute in 19 the 1970s, where they defined what is a retrovirus.
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2:06:20 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]etely redefined that criteria in the 1980s beyond belief.
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There is no proof. AIDS treatments, the AIDS indicator diseases.
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So called. Yes, they they existed.
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Many of them predated 1984 in the medical literature.
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2:06:47 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]is.
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Pneumonia, if it is such a thing, new humanist pneumocystis, you're all the guys called now.
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However, those were brought together under the umbrella of HIV in an erroneous,
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2:07:08 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction], bastardization of differential diagnosis, because they're brought together under this so-called fake test, the HIV antibody test.
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And and and of course, the way that that methodology works, the way that magic works or witchcraft works,
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As HIV positive, they then get the label and then it's just a tautology.
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It's a self-fulfilling prophecy. The treatments. Yes, the treatments are toxic.
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The early treatments were very highly toxic.
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I don't know any patients that I was involved with in the 1980s or 1990s on the standard doses then of AZT who didn't develop neutropenia and developed all sorts of sequelae as a result of that.
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I was woken up to that in the early 90s because I happened to work on one in one hospital.
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I covered many special centers, but one center I covered the AIDS patients.
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The HIV positive were dealt with by a hematologist who was skeptical of the science and AZT as a hematologist.
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And he would say to me, I give them lower doses, lower doses of AZT than the standard protocol.
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And when I looked at the longevity of his patients, it was an anecdotal finding.
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They live longer than the ones under the special centers.
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So I know that's observational bias. That's not really scientific in a true sense.
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It was a sort of snapshot, but it didn't wake me up to the fact that people working in the system themselves were skeptical of what they were being told.
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2:08:55 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]e's blood and bone marrow, it's different to a virologist or to a standard physician.
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And therefore I would say, yes, the treatments are toxic and killed a lot of people, if not many of them, after the late 1980s.
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And also today, the so-called statistics show less toxicity.
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But be careful here, because the protease drugs, the antiretrovirals today, these drugs are as toxic.
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2:09:29 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction] that, by the mindset that these things are benign.
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2:09:38 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]iovascular problems or renal problems or liver problems as a result of these interventions, they're not linked to the drugs in the same way that the negative adverse effects of the Covid injections are not linked in the common mindset.
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To the so-called vaccines that are attributed to other causes or to other etiologies.
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And therefore they're not linked in the medical or public mindset with the intervention with the Covid injections.
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So I think this is this is the issue that I see.
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It's one of mindset and paradigm working together.
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Delia.
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2:10:25 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] Rasnick gave me this term Frankenstein, Frankenstein virus, Frankenstein phenomena.
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The there's no evidence of HIV existing as an as any kind of natural pathogen in human blood.
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What I sometimes say is that doesn't mean that there's not an it that exists, which we've been talking about for the last two hours, which is a combination.
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It's a synthetic Frankenstein quasi.
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It's like a synthetic attack that comes from the attack from the diagnostic.
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So that's a psychological attack with HIV and AIDS.
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The person was generally already immune compromised if they tested positive, but not always.
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So they were already a little bit rocky with their with their health because the test was designed to light up in the presence of somebody who was struggling with, for example, in Africa malnutrition.
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All the things that will cause an HIV, an HIV test to light up positive.
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So in essence, it's like I sometimes use the analogy of.
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Well, actually got to get his Earl Connard, that famous poem.
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It's very short and it's about a father and a son.
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The son is very sick and the father is carrying the son on horseback through the woods.
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And the boy is crying out that there's a creature trying to take him called the Earl King.
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And the father says, this creature is not real, my son, there's no creature.
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And the boy is saying, don't you see him, father, don't you see him?
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He says, there's no creature.
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And they get out of the finally they get out of the forest and the boy is dead.
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And so it's open ended in the gota poem, what killed the boy?
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And I come back to that a lot in all my years of experience.
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It's almost impossible to separate out these deaths from the terror, the climate, the cofactors,
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the bath houses, the drugs, the being gay men, being pushed to the peripheries of society,
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2:12:47 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]ed, having emotional shocks, all this stuff causes the opposite of health.
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And so what we want in our culture is a cause and effect, a binary thing.
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What causes what?
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Was there a disease called AIDS?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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A very extreme condition in primarily gay men who were in big cities in the late 70s, early 80s,
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who were self-confessed participants in an extreme immunosuppressive lifestyle in the bath houses
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2:13:20 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]ugs, lots of STDs, lots of antibiotics, no sleep, no nutrition, and so on.
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And so on and so on.
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2:13:28 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] come to think lately that one or the other of the vaccine programs,
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probably hepatitis B, could very well have opened the gateways to this first syndrome that was seen.
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2:13:41 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]orial, but I've come to think the hepatitis B vaccine
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2:13:47 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]ayed a key role.
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Thank you.
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We'll go for another 25 minutes to a quarter or two if that's okay.
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We've got a lot of hands up and we've got a good conversation going.
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So if that's okay, we'll keep going.
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Jeremy.
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Thank you, Charles.
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I'll make this a lot shorter than I was going to due to time.
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Here's the situation.
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And without going into a lot of background, he is not awake.
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My wife has not been allowed to see or communicate with the family for the last three years.
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Now, he's quite a brilliant guy.
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He worked.
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He's a computer guy.
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He worked for Ted Rogers as a troubleshooter, computer wizard.
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However, he's really dumb when it comes to the COVID narrative.
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My thinking is as a gay person, and I've read Tony Fauci's,
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The Reliance on E. Fauci.
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And I've just finished reading Inventing the AIDS Virus with Peter Duesberg.
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2:15:11 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]ion is, how could I use, my thinking is that I would like to
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approach my brother-in-law, who again is gay, with these stories from
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How might I go about that, given that this guy is very, very super sensitive to any discussion
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about the COVID narrative?
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I don't know how he would react to being approached about what happened with the AIDS
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situation.
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He's my age.
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He's in the 70s, and he's had the same partner for [privacy contact redaction]us.
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So any comment on how I might use either of those authors' stories on the AIDS situation
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to approach him, to get through to him?
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In my experience, if somebody is, as you described him on COVID,
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let's say, revolutionary, orthodox by the book about COVID, they will be exactly the
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same about HIV and AIDS, and it probably won't end well.
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I would maybe ask you, why do you want to do this?
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And why do you think it would lead?
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2:16:35 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction]art to read and open their minds when they are ready to,
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and rarely because somebody, whether it's in their family or elsewhere, I think it could
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probably, my guess would be it would only lead to more trouble if you want to send him
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the book or something, and if he's drawn to it, it would be because his soul is ready
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to do that, and no sooner.
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This is my conclusion about trying to open people's eyes.
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2:17:05 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]arts when they're ready and then they find it, and it finds them and they find it,
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if that's helpful.
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One thing I'd add to that, I certainly support that, what Celia's just said, is as you get
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to know him, or if you know him already, he might have some anomalies where the model
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that he's inculcated, he's been given and he's incorporated, he's internalised, and
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he's internalised, doesn't fit with his reality, his experience, whether he's positive or being
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person's own experience that I've found are tangible areas of traction where you can talk
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on a level, so you're not giving him Peter Juesberg's book and it's such a shock,
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2:18:10 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction] gets dismissed because this guy must be crazy, but it's the tangible elements
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they were ill, or they'd get ill very quickly, or they'd die, or low T cells meant that they
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would get ill and they didn't, so it's where the model that they've been given doesn't work,
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and they've uncoupled it, and there will be in everybody's experience these elements,
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2:18:45 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]e doing research, even in the 1990s, the people within the orthodox
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services who believed in HIV, they believed in AIDS, but as you spoke to them, as you got to know
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them over a period of time, there were lots of anomalies that they picked up where it didn't
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quite fit, when they saw the sort of edges of something, they started seeing some sort of
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underbelly through their own experiences, and it's those areas that you could work on,
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but I think it takes time, and I would certainly say you can't help everybody all the time, you
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can't make people see what you can see, people have to come to it themselves, it's a gradual
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process of realisation, I think, and there's always a eureka moment, but you can't always
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2:19:35 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]ure it with everybody, I'm afraid. No, I never had any concept of throwing a book at him,
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2:19:42 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] to be much more delicate than that, I know that he lost many friends over the years,
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and it's more a question of using the idea of what's in the books, I'm not throwing the books
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at him, but I'll just leave it at that and let Glenn get on with it. And there's some suggestions,
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2:20:09 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]ions, it's a great challenge for all of us on this call, and Bobby Kennedy said,
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remember one of our calls December 2021, Stephen, he said a person of one persuasion needs five
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2:20:24 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]e telling him the opposite, and the fifth one finally triggers something, so
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2:20:29 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction], it's an interesting proposition, that's really stuck in my head as well. So thank you,
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Jeremy, Glenn, we're going to be quick on these, everybody, don't make them long, short.
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I'll be quick, it won't be instantaneous, so please don't anyone interrupt me while I'm
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2:20:48 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]ion, but I'm going to start out attempting to use scientific method,
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and with a hypothesis, my hypothesis is that we are experiencing an epidemic of mind control,
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and there's a variety of that being presented here, now I'm not saying this is with intent,
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I believe there's the finest intent of both our speakers, they went through this experience,
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they were with those patients, they saw what happened to them and how they died, but I believe
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in some fashion, they have come under mind control, and we have seen this in our current situation,
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2:21:30 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]ayers that seem to have no other explanation other than it is mind
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control, and now I'm going to give some evidence of it, that there's a lack of precise words,
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and we know this happens all the time as part of standard Marxist rhetoric, is rather than work
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with vocabulary that has precision, work with things that are completely vague and have no
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precision and can't be precise, and instead end up the airwaves just get filled with things that
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have no meaning and little value, and I'm going to use a variety of the phrases I've heard today,
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one was a social hex, witchcraft, God kicked out of biology, I don't know how that is a
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in any fashion a scientific method to anything, a machine model of biology, a machine model of aids,
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something skimming the surface, the dark underbelly, I saw the evil, well if it was seen then what did
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you see, tell us precisely what was in front of your eyes, the phrase synthetic attack,
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the phrase virus doomism, the phrase revolutionary virus dark order, again I view these all as
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dodging mechanisms looking to fill the airways and to prevent straightforward scientific method
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2:22:54 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]s to be used, because for me the precise one here is if ATZ was indicated as the
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2:23:03 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction], then someone please tell me what happened, if it was in fact a poison,
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did that not happen to every single patient, was there never an upside that occurred to the ATZ
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to cause it to be used over and over and over, thank you.
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2:23:24 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction] that comment, I respect what you're saying, I'm about euphemism and vagueness,
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2:23:31 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction] I'm just going to say no there was never any benefit by the chemical AZT which was
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extremely toxic chemotherapy, the only way to understand how they could, now I documented in
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my book here, serious adverse, this was reissued this year, serious adverse events in uncensored
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2:23:53 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]ory of AIDS, there are a few chapters in here about, now when I was an investigative journalist
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and I, my job was to get all the precision you're talking about, which I do respect
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2:24:07 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]ly what happened, none of this talk that we're talking about today, I happen to think
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it's very valuable because we're all trying to understand, we're trying to describe the dystopia,
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the hellscape that we are in, but if you're asking me what exactly happened to the, why did
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they approve it, what happened to the FDA, all of that is documented in a very different tone than
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the tone I'm using today, so it's a matter of where is the precision and where is the broader
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discussion, this is a broader discussion, precision does exist that answers all of those questions,
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all we did for 30 years was go incredibly granular, forensic, precise on everything and still
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2:24:55 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] because that wasn't where it was happening, it wasn't allowing itself to be
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2:25:04 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] that you're describing, you're talking about the real world,
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that wasn't where it was, you see now I'm using this language again that you're objecting to,
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but basically if you want to know the answer to those questions, one way you can start is go to
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deuceburg.com, read all of his papers, Dave Rasnick who is with us as co-author on many of those papers,
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2:25:28 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction], precise objection to everything that that went down does exist,
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it's just that the history, people don't realize about this history, so this conversation is about
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2:25:43 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]ory, we're trying to help you understand how to go get the
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2:25:48 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]ory, this isn't a conversation about exactly cell by cell what they did and how they did it,
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2:25:54 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]ion? Thanks Celia, thank you, Rose.
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Hi, it's very nice to meet you Celia and Kevin, I think this is an important conversation of
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starting with HIV, COVID because I think people need to be prepared for the next one that's coming
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along, so I think it's a good linkage conversation for understanding. A couple points to clarity,
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I do agree with clarity, we talk about HIV and AIDS and I think they need to be separated
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because AIDS is more of a classification, it's you know acquired immune deficiency
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and you could talk about the same thing with COVID attacking the CD4 versus the CD8,
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it's like saying COPD but don't take this drug if you have asthma, COPD is a classification and asthma
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is COPD, it's a form of COPD, so I think that's good on clarity of language and I'm not a
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2:27:01 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction] and I'm not going to say that viruses don't exist because when we make blanket statements
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I think that can be dangerous, however I do think some things are misappropriated to viruses, so when
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I was doing a lot of research on my own over the last six months regarding nitric oxide, I found an
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NIH article that basically said nitric oxide is effective against polio, so is polio really a
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neurotoxin from chemicals as opposed to a virus, again I'm not going to say viruses don't exist
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but I think it's good to break out individual conversations with specific circumstances,
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so it's interesting that the conversation I just had today with the public of educating the lay
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person who can't get into science of saying hey don't say coronavirus, don't say COVID, say spiked
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protein and learn about the spiked protein and then I said you know the number one clue is use
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your sense and logic and I said the number one thing in bioterrorism, health care, a police
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incidence, whatever is, you mitigate fear, so just have natural instinct alarm bells if they are
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pushing fear on the public and the other point is regarding remdesivir because I think it carries
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over, when they first wanted to give it to patients in the hospital I researched it and I found an NIH
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2:28:42 --> 2:28:[privacy contact redaction]ually Fauci was trying to do his miracle drug for Ebola and HIV with remdesivir
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and it got pulled from the trials because it was doing too much kidney and liver failure
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2:28:57 --> 2:29:[privacy contact redaction]ed it for COVID and I don't know how many people are aware of that
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2:29:03 --> 2:29:[privacy contact redaction]ed some of the on the chat so people can review that and then the last thing I wanted to
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say is Kevin brought up great points as far as being like a young clinician versus a veteran
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clinician because I think I was 21 when AIDS was discovered and came to the unit but all our
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charge nurse told us was you know what just follow your your body and blood fluid you know don't stick
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yourself with a needle like you you shouldn't and then just follow your protocols and that's all we
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2:29:37 --> 2:29:[privacy contact redaction]ituted and I was laughing on the chat when they were they were
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talking about you know well don't take care of this patient because they're dying and I started
2009
2:29:48 --> 2:29:[privacy contact redaction] response that I'd always give to patients is hey guess what the old adage
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is we begin to die the day that we are born so guess what we're all dying you know and then
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2:30:00 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction] get our patients laughing so it is when you see previous training and previous
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clinicians we were trained under oaths and ethics and tactile stimulation patients need touching for
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2:30:17 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction] don't understand the new clinicians today are specifically taught
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2:30:23 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction]ors and nurses are taught don't touch your patients don't do clinical diagnosing don't assess
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2:30:31 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction]s and it is true and it is factual they're pushing for AI to do everything
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because now in the US they're pushing that we're having digital nurses now in the hospital being
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rolled out so it's the people at the bedside are basically walking skin suits with the machines
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doing the work and a digital nurse access so I'll turn it over because I know somebody else probably
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2:31:02 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction]ion thanks Rose Kevin and Sylvia's quick comment we've got we're doing well but great
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2:31:08 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction]ephen will love you that's exactly what it's about I forget your name
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2:31:15 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction] spoke but that that is where where it came from where it's going what it wants
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2:31:24 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction]n medicine since you know now I feel like I can't use these phrases that
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help me clarify what the big enormous oh I forgot this I learned from a functional doctor that the
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original term that that represented pharma actually does represent witchcraft so in
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2:31:48 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction] that came for pharma is is witchcraft well I think I think that actually
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2:31:54 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction] to go back to the last comment that she did define
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that her definition witchcraft was about control of people control but I think you're right Rose
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2:32:09 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction] virtual you know AI type nursing so you could look after people
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2:32:17 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction] by concentrating on their numbers the numbers the blood numbers the viral
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2:32:23 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction] results you didn't need to have the human in front of you
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and this happened so many times to me I would have somebody who was really clinically dying
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2:32:38 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction]s they the virologists would say they'd look at the blood
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2:32:43 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction] online on on the computer screen and they tell me this patient's
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a viral cure and I'd say no come here come and come and clinically examine the patient you'll
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see that they're dying they're dying and or vice versa vice versa they're dying on the blood results
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and there's nothing wrong with them they're constitutionally well no illness and this is
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the problem we don't talk about the constant in what disease right now they're researching a lot
2038
2:33:17 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction]emming from the imbalance of the parasympathetic in the in the sympathetic system
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so when you put somebody in perpetual fight or flight of course their immune system is going to
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2:33:28 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction]ly and you see this comes down to just quickly this whole issue that you know the
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laboratory diagnosis of HIV antibodies um psychopathic effect that's what the virologists say these are
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2:33:45 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction]ive not really measurable in a standard way and the laboratory phenomena
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2:33:52 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction] of oxidative stress and it was this that the the Perth group of
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2:33:59 --> 2:34:[privacy contact redaction]s keyed into in the 80s and 90s to explain aids to explain the antibody test results
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and once you read those papers and it's very difficult to believe that there is such a thing
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as HIV materially physically uh it's more of a spiritual chimera that's been conjured up
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2:34:24 --> 2:34:[privacy contact redaction] from nowhere from nothing material and I think this is this is where
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Cecilia and I agree that this is a spiritual impact it's a spiritual assault rather than
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anything physical it's masquerading as something physical but there is no evidence
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no scientific evidence for it can there be any doubt that the drive is toward transhumanism if
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anybody doubts that then nothing will make sense but if you see that and it's not hard to see then
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2:34:58 --> 2:35:[privacy contact redaction] it does not make sense is if we look at our notions of medicine
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and healing and life and death and why would they when we have Fauci bringing back remdesivir which
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2:35:15 --> 2:35:[privacy contact redaction]ory AZT was so toxic they didn't even try to give it to human beings before
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2:35:23 --> 2:35:[privacy contact redaction]edged it up for immune compromised people how can anybody think that they're trying to do
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2:35:29 --> 2:35:[privacy contact redaction] to think in terms of what are they doing and why are we still
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so naive that we're trying to make heads or tails of it when it is clearly a sinister
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2:35:44 --> 2:35:[privacy contact redaction]er and they're very open about what that agenda is all you have to do is listen
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to them so what I'm saying now is at odds with what the previous speaker said about but it's not
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precise it's not precise don't worry about that cilia don't worry about that because we're
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discussing ideas at the moment so obviously yeah I agree with Stephen I'm not that
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2:36:07 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction] that we use so don't worry about that all right
2063
2:36:13 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction]um we're gonna move okay uh hello cilia and Kevin uh welcome um I'm gonna
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make some comments I'll end with a question I promise I'm gonna try to go fast you mentioned
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citizen go I will mention one health if everybody here were to put in quotes O-N-E space H-E-A-L-T-H
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if you're not familiar with it you will find a world health organization United States government
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2:36:43 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction]an that's been around for more than a decade it's in it's infiltrated everything
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nobody seems to know about it Naomi Wolf's husband Brian O'Shea is the one who turned me onto it
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and it's it's it's sinister and it's it's ubiquitous secondly I a bunch of people sent
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2:37:06 --> 2:37:[privacy contact redaction]ures of myself with my head back sleeping on this call Charles normally turns my camera off
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when I do that um I apologize yeah um I I have been in a number of car accidents I have run
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2:37:22 --> 2:37:[privacy contact redaction] several times throughout my career um I fall asleep in every business meeting after
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lunch it's it's low blood pressure no other diagnosis they can't figure it out I can't stay
2074
2:37:33 --> 2:37:[privacy contact redaction]e I went to take care of my uncle he has a pericarditis, herbo cancer,
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um lesions on his legs that won't heal and his cancer that was going to take 10 years is now
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going to kill him in three months so he's on his way out and I had a beer over there and I just
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fell asleep so I apologize I didn't fall asleep during celias I did during Kevin sorry Kevin I
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couldn't possibly fall asleep during celias not that you were boring Kevin it's just that I I
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2:38:04 --> 2:38:[privacy contact redaction]ing I guess I'll say Glenn's comments but you you had said
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you're trying to find language to get around don't let anybody censor you okay we we all have language
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uh meant to provoke conversation or to just communicate I I liked your language in fact
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it resonated so well with me it brought up memories of my first substack article um I don't
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know if you know nick hudson from panda he told me I should start writing and prompted me to to
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2:38:35 --> 2:38:[privacy contact redaction] article is called contrary contrarianism in the times of
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witchery and I go through what happened in 1692 Salem and there's a lot of parallels to what you
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said um and that is kind of what's happening we the moral foundation being ripped out from under
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2:38:56 --> 2:39:[privacy contact redaction] in fear uh and that goes to there's a guy alpha omega on twitter
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talking about cyanide and rice and gas and remdesivir and all that stuff he's a con artist
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in charlatan he's gone after kevin mccurnin um tying him to robert malone and the mit human
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2:39:17 --> 2:39:[privacy contact redaction] um if if anybody sees that stuff be aware of this guy is is bad for business making
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us all look bad total chaos agent and all of our endeavors to bring truth to light uh it's really
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bad and it's it's becoming pervasive so much so that stu peters uh I call him stush um is now
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talking about cyanide and remdesivir and now to the point cilia and kevin I'm sorry uh here but
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here's the question um it's just to cilia really um your your career seems to be centered around
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aids and azt um you're a writer journalist I'm an engineer by the way and I haven't I was in sales
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and marketing my whole career what other things have you written about that you're passionate
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about besides this one issue are you are you focused on this one issue your whole career
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and is are your other writings having to do with the public interest like caring about people
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2:40:21 --> 2:40:[privacy contact redaction] a little bit more thank you yeah thank you for that I I have I'll say my substack just
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once real quick why I write at cilia farber dot substack.com and it's a broad range I I'm not
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2:40:36 --> 2:40:[privacy contact redaction]ed in what causes aids and even then this is years ago here's what's frustrating you guys
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2:40:44 --> 2:40:[privacy contact redaction]ic and war was it began in 1987 and it was blighted and ended around 2008 that's a
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very long time ago when we were we thought we had a chance to stop the thing it was it flew right it
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2:41:02 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction]s thought it won't it won't keep flying it's got to crash
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it's so insane but it flew and flew and it billowed and billowed all of this happened a long time ago
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2:41:17 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction] in 2006 and I'm being asked to address it because people
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are shocked and disoriented three years into COVID and that's the only reason it seems like I'm
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kind of obsessed about HIV and AIDS it was it was my my my my big assignment at the time and then
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we all got sucked into this insanity and we saw that there was much more to it than bad science
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2:41:44 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction]e were attacked or there were all kinds of things that went on and
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2:41:48 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction]atorship in the middle of what seemed like a free society
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and from there I grew what I'm what I really write about I think is uh definitely spiritual
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warfare but also I'm now as of [privacy contact redaction]em rise up and we had the tail or we
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had the foot right and but we didn't know what the beast was so now we now we're all together in this
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2:42:20 --> 2:42:[privacy contact redaction] being on top of us and we have to get out from under it so AIDS is not
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really my preoccupation it's this this whole thing of of human freedom human liberty spiritual
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freedom health freedom all of it comes together and this was just like my gateway how I got into
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2:42:40 --> 2:42:[privacy contact redaction] ever story I didn't know what I was looking at
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and now I do but if you'd like to see what I write about please come to my substack it's it's uh it's
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it's free and uh it's celiafarber.substack.com thank you I'll go to the end of the line for
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2:42:58 --> 2:43:[privacy contact redaction]ion there won't be another question that's it we've got four more and we're finishing
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uh Mark thank you uh hi Celia hi Kevin uh Kevin uh this is really a question for you um the uh
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hemophiliacs in the UK uh apparently something like uh 1250 uh were diagnosed with HIV
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after they had blood which was from the USA uh could you could you comment on that uh with
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2:43:30 --> 2:43:[privacy contact redaction]s to you know uh what you were saying previously we're we're not sure about HIV
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uh I think if you look at the science the scientific analysis of the Perth Group's work
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of HIV which they they were able to demonstrate through their literature critiques of the AIDS
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science that what what's called HIV is due to oxidative stress the antibody production
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the proteins there's nothing specific to so-called HIV proteins the the the reverse transcriptase
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is not unique to retroviruses it's found in human cells and this this is important as to
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to reframe their so-called risk groups so the the proteins that the hemophiliacs were given
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2:44:31 --> 2:44:[privacy contact redaction]ured proteins or the the proteins that were garnered from people in donations
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2:44:39 --> 2:44:[privacy contact redaction]or eight would would cause antibody positive test results
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2:44:47 --> 2:44:[privacy contact redaction]ed so I think this is an important issue to to explain
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the so-called risk groups and the the creation of these risk groups is also important and to
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look at Michelle Cochran's work in the United States which is able to demonstrate that these
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risk groups were created by the CDC the model of illness that was projected into the first AIDS
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2:45:15 --> 2:45:[privacy contact redaction]e like Mark Gottlieb these were creations of sexual risk as opposed to other risk
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2:45:23 --> 2:45:[privacy contact redaction]ayed so they upplayed some things and downplayed other things
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with gay men it was HIV it was sexual risk because of the hepatitis b trials that Celia mentioned
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which undoubtedly seeded AIDS in many people because the nature of the proteins that were
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2:45:44 --> 2:45:[privacy contact redaction]ed in those so-called vaccines I think this is the this is the key thing that links it all up
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2:45:52 --> 2:45:[privacy contact redaction] quickly mention to the other speaker that's just asked a question about what
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we've published on I've published on many other things other than HIV AIDS and I'll release this
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to the group now on on the chat so you can look at my last university appointment and you can see
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2:46:09 --> 2:46:[privacy contact redaction] in peer review journals if you want I've published in mental health and
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other areas of patient participation in healthcare right thanks Kevin Lorraine
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three one three to go and then keep moving
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you're muted Lorraine
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you're muted Lorraine
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sorry about that I thought they could unmute you okay I wanted to comment that the AIDS result
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situation was largely resolved by AIDS patients who got into nutrition as I don't know if everybody's
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2:46:54 --> 2:47:[privacy contact redaction]ley she published in the journal of orthomolecular medicine on her
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work basically she treated over 600 so-called AIDS patients and she eventually retired her practice
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to go to Washington because her patients so she was just hand holding them she said they were all
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really well they weren't getting sick and they didn't need her anymore they just had to continue
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their treatment she mentioned that she was at an event in Washington DC happened to be sitting
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next to Tony Fauci and she said to him that she wondered whether she wanted to tell him about
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vitamin c and zinc benefit in treating AIDS patients his response to her was we are not
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2:47:45 --> 2:47:[privacy contact redaction]ing money on vitamins and disease and the bottom line here she also by the way did a
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lot of recommendations like affirmations massage a lot of holistic treatments concepts one of her
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criteria was she wouldn't accept as a patient anybody who would continue substance abuse they
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could add they had to give up alcohol and any illicit drugs she made it clear that they were
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2:48:13 --> 2:48:[privacy contact redaction]s welcome to come back if they cleaned up for 30 days clean but other than that she didn't
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want to spend time with them and I would just mention that we have the same thing going on now
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with the COVID situation the bottom line is a disease is about either toxicity or nutritional
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2:48:38 --> 2:48:[privacy contact redaction]ress which aggravates of course nutritional status that's the the primary
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drivers of disease and causing inflammation and inflammation is part of what actually disturbs
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organs and tissues but unfortunately it is a war between natural things and pharma because the
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bottom line is pharma can't patent anything natural and they are out to destroy any evidence
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that anything natural which means nutrients does anything in terms of health so it's the same war
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that went on with HIV it's going on with COVID and it will be going on in the future unless the world
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wakes up which I think they're starting to because of COVID I think a lot of people have woken up
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2:49:31 --> 2:49:[privacy contact redaction]ion pharma its motives and so forth so anyway I just wanted to mention that
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because there's a lot of power wonderfully wonderfully articulated many of you have heard
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2:49:44 --> 2:49:[privacy contact redaction] naturopath along the same line in 1965 Lorraine and so I've been practicing what
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I was taught back then so and those principles haven't changed so thank you for the reminder
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2:49:56 --> 2:50:[privacy contact redaction]ephen last questions and we're done.
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Hey thank you very much great conversation the issue of what is causing this damage to people
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the spike protein of the SARS-CoV-2 in vaccine or modify excuse me in modified
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2:50:18 --> 2:50:[privacy contact redaction]ive gp120 gp41 what's causing what's causing this issue
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2:50:28 --> 2:50:[privacy contact redaction]ion is what caused the original HIV we know that the gp120 gp41 that is found on the
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SARS-CoV-2 spike protein is similar to that of the HIV spike protein was that we have isolated
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the spike protein and a guy named Jason McClellan put it in the virus excuse me in the vaccine
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2:50:51 --> 2:50:[privacy contact redaction]em called Longhorn at the University of Texas Austin
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was there a spike protein involved in HIV and if so has anybody identified that original spike
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protein and who invented the spike protein since we know that the spike protein and COVID was
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2:51:11 --> 2:51:[privacy contact redaction]ing to Redfield Robert Redfield thanks.
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Evan if there's no there's no natural this is not a natural
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phenomena the the gp120 these so-called HIV proteins are not a natural virus that the
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there is no essence that's viral from nature I'm sorry maybe I didn't maybe it wasn't clear
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but I didn't say it was a virus I said it was a spike protein I didn't say it was natural I said
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it was likely invented on a computer do you have and and so do you have the documents on who might
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2:52:00 --> 2:52:[privacy contact redaction]em they designed the gp120 gp41 and on what computer
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2:52:07 --> 2:52:[privacy contact redaction]em it was modified into the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein and I'm and I'm making a statement of
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2:52:13 --> 2:52:[privacy contact redaction]or Robert Redfield said the US State Department had a hand in that.
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Well I this is biotechnology run riot this is these are manufactured
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phenomena they're manufactured they're not natural and interestingly Redfield is a veteran isn't he
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of AIDS because Redfield did one of the first big papers in the 1990s on the so-called specificity
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2:52:46 --> 2:52:[privacy contact redaction]s or trying to say that they were and you see this is this is the
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great con I don't like that word this is the great masquerade that's been done with this
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biotechnology is to insinuate that these things are natural and undoubtedly they're not they're
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2:53:13 --> 2:53:[privacy contact redaction]ured phenomena that are being injected into people now who who actually created it well
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I don't have the I don't have the audit trail on that I'm afraid I haven't looked into that.
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All right we got to keep thank you Jim. I just wanted to say somebody should check out David
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Martin he's got all the patents going back on the spike proteins associated with um uh COVID I don't
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know I can't speak to AIDS but I'm sure he has that too David Martin PhD David Martin. But Celia
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2:53:52 --> 2:53:[privacy contact redaction]ionality which they're pushing from various angles despite the
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2:53:57 --> 2:54:[privacy contact redaction] that it's oh so so illegal um in the United States I suspect that the gain of function narrative
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2:54:05 --> 2:54:[privacy contact redaction]ory in that they want people to believe that man-made viruses and natural
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viruses but particularly man-made viruses leaking from leaking in inverted commas from labs uh can
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cause deadly pandemics and I don't think that is the case I don't think a deadly pandemic is
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2:54:27 --> 2:54:[privacy contact redaction]ated earlier. Yeah I agree with you Stephen what we should let's all
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2:54:32 --> 2:54:[privacy contact redaction]ep back when when Rand Paul grills Anthony Fauci in Congress about gain of function
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and funding Wuhan what's being obliterated there is the fact that we have a whole system in this
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country really amped up in AIDS of of perfectly legal mass murder in the name of a new viral
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emergency fake virus that's the problem how do you get at that?
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You discredit the world of virality, genomics, evidence-based medicine because medicine
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shouldn't be based on evidence-based medicine it should be based on ethics not on evidence-based
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2:55:16 --> 2:55:[privacy contact redaction] never get the wheel again they must never get the wheel. No they
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shouldn't no but I think it's an industry so you're dealing with an industry of course you are
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2:55:28 --> 2:55:[privacy contact redaction]ry it's on an industrial scale and the gain of function narrative emerged almost in
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parallel with the COVID narrative in [privacy contact redaction] at the same time very soon after totally interesting
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that to me. Yeah. That has emerged it's another time error it's another it's a double bluff in my
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2:55:54 --> 2:56:[privacy contact redaction] Veritas sting operation was a was a double bluff too because
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actually what they were trying to say was that Pfizer were admitting to gain of function research
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2:56:08 --> 2:56:[privacy contact redaction]ion research and in fact that was bolstering the narrative
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2:56:15 --> 2:56:[privacy contact redaction]e should live in fear of deadly pandemics for the rest of their lives
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and it's all about saving lives despite the fact that the lives aren't worth saving if you've got a
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2:56:29 --> 2:56:[privacy contact redaction] those lives. Do you understand life is not worth living these
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2:56:38 --> 2:56:[privacy contact redaction]e never talk about emotions happiness they're not happy themselves they don't want anybody else
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to be happy it's obvious that they have nothing to offer us and I don't understand why we listen to
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them. I think we've been hijacked by them we're on a hijacked airplane and they've hijacked the
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2:56:59 --> 2:57:[privacy contact redaction] Yeah what does it matter if we're gonna die if life is so miserable under a succession
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of yearly lockdowns for six months at a time it's just nonsense isn't it? Okay everybody we're
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2:57:13 --> 2:57:[privacy contact redaction] quote from this Hillsdale in-premise paper I've mentioned it before
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America's Broken Healthcare Diagnosis and Prescription from John Abramson who's been
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2:57:24 --> 2:57:[privacy contact redaction] Medical School for 16 years I recommend it I'll put the link in the chat but
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here's the quote entirely relevant to this and really this is the sticky idea that ties into
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everything that's been said quote big pharma is comprised sorry Kevin on this industrialization
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big pharma is comprised of for-profit companies the job of for-profit companies is to maximize
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2:57:48 --> 2:57:[privacy contact redaction]ug companies of being greedy is like accusing zebras of having
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stripes great metaphor they are doing their job and we're not going to change them so it's our
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2:58:04 --> 2:58:[privacy contact redaction]ors but the American people as a whole to insist on guardrails to ensure that the
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2:58:10 --> 2:58:[privacy contact redaction]ry serves rather than harms public health okay brilliant brilliant article I
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2:58:16 --> 2:58:[privacy contact redaction]ephen we're finishing we're way over John. Hi guys uh Celia
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2:58:23 --> 2:58:[privacy contact redaction] would like to invite you to be on my show Broken Truth I think that this should this
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information in your presentation today should be online and public for everybody so I just want to
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2:58:33 --> 2:58:[privacy contact redaction] message with my information and in terms of gain of
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2:58:38 --> 2:58:[privacy contact redaction]ion research the terminology they use now is transformation I think so you look for that and
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you'll find gain of function all over the place in the United States and that's obviously with that
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thank you guys. Celia thank you so much for coming on I think you're a particularly powerful voice
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and you're powerful because you're authentic and you're it's visible that you're struggling
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yourself with trying to get to the truth and people will listen to you if you I know you've
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been attacked severely attacked in the past but if you've got the strength to give interviews to
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the guy who's just asked you for example I think it would help a lot of people because you're such
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a good human being and it's obvious to everybody. Thank you Stephen thank you so much for all if I'm
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findable and reachable I don't know where the links are and so forth but I can always be found
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2:59:35 --> 2:59:[privacy contact redaction]ack.com very happy to do interviews and I just really appreciate everybody
2260
2:59:44 --> 2:59:[privacy contact redaction]ening to this really difficult dark stuff for hours on a what is
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this a Sunday you know I mean it it means a lot to me I know it means a lot to Kevin too we had a
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very long time of absolutely nobody wanted to hear anything we were saying so thank you all so much.
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3:00:04 --> 3:00:[privacy contact redaction]ephen thanks for organizing. Kevin thank you.
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You can go across to the Tom Rodman group there's the link for those of you who have time we've
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been going for three hours and five minutes and some got on before the before the hour marks so
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three hours and 15 but great information and on we go with the fight and all of us are in the fight
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we're halfway through a six-year war in my in my assessment so no chance no choice of getting
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tired everybody on we go. Thank you Charles thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you Kevin
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bye thank you Charles everybody thank you Kevin God bless everybody thank you very much Celia
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thank you very much good night everybody.
