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Yeah, I'm joking obviously.
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There you go, we're on it. Okay.
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Well hang on, I'll just do a quick intro. Andy, I'll let you, I'll make you a co-host in case you
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want to share your screen. Jim Thorpe is here, welcome Jim. Jonathan Engler is here, Jonathan
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spoke to us on Monday, on Sunday night. Andy.
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Dr Wakefield, it's a pleasure to meet you sir.
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Well thank you so much, it's great to be here.
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So everybody. Yeah, there are a few British doctors on that tonight
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Yes, yes indeed. Yeah, in fact I was reading something of yours just the other day Dr Thorpe,
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You're a hero man.
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Nick's okay, eh, scheisse man.
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Yes, he is a hero, Andy's the great journey you've been on. So everybody let's do the quick
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intro, the recording is on and welcome to Medical Doctors for Covid Ethics International. In today's
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0:01:19 --> 0:01:[privacy contact redaction]ew Wakefield, commonly known as Andy Wakefield, this group was founded
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0:01:26 --> 0:01:[privacy contact redaction]ephen decided to stand up against government, he stood up
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is radiology. I'm Charles Covess, the moderator of this group on Australasia's passion provocateur,
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and my jacket is red because red is the colour of passion. I've practiced law for 20 years before
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changing career [privacy contact redaction] 12 years I've helped parents and lawyers to
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strategise remedies for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice. I'm also the CEO of an
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0:01:59 --> 0:02:[privacy contact redaction]rial hemp company and Andy Wakefield, I've been following you for 12 years since I was woken
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up about what's been going on. So it's been a very fascinating journey and you as Jim Thorpe says,
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you are indeed a hero. We comprise lots of professions including doctors, lawyers,
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homeopaths, journalists, scientists, filmmakers, professors, peacemakers and troublemakers and
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we're from all around the world. Many of us thought that vaccines were okay, now many of us proudly
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say yes we are passionate anti-vaxxers as I do and as Judy Mikovits has told us, don't get injected
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with anything, she was passionate, do not get injected with anything. So there you are, her words
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keep ringing certainly in my ears. If this is your first time here welcome and feel free to
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introduce yourself in the chat and where you're from, if you publish a newsletter or a podcast
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put the links into the chat so we can follow you, promote you and find you. Most of us understand
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we're in the middle of World War III and that there are various battle lines as part of this war.
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Some of us believe we are in a continuation of World War II.
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settled. The meeting runs for two and a half hours after which for those with the time Tom Rodman
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runs a video telegram meeting. Tom puts the links into the chat if you're able to join.
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0:03:30 --> 0:03:[privacy contact redaction]en to Andy Wakefield for as long as Andy wishes to speak and then we have Q&A.
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it's a free speech environment with appropriate moderating free speech is crucially important in
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our fight to preserve our human freedoms and I just want you all to understand the lockstep
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that's happening in the UK, in US, in Canada and now in Australia with the introduction of
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legislation to prevent misinformation and disinformation to protect you all.
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If you're offended by anything be offended. We are genuinely not interested. We reject the
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Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you, love on the other hand expands you. If you have a
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0:04:48 --> 0:04:[privacy contact redaction]ed and is uploaded on the Rumble channel and now welcome
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0:05:00 --> 0:05:[privacy contact redaction]ephen Frost again for creating this group and for organising
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Andy to speak with us today. Andy over to you. We are all ears. As Stephen would have told you,
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as you well know you can speak as long as you like or as short as you like and we'll grill you with
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Thank you very much. It's great to be back. I have to be off at three o'clock my time, that's in about
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50 minutes. I've got another meeting but if that's good enough for you then that's great with me.
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Thank you. I'm sure you have plenty of questions. I'll give you a little bit of background perhaps
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in 1981 and was one of six generations of my family who graduated from that medical school
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and we're littered with doctors. I'm the only one who's lost his medical license which is
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well it's a cross I have to bear I'm afraid but I ran a large research team at the Royal Free
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Hospital in London. There were 19 of us looking at inflammatory bowel disease and
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in particular the relationship, the novel relationship or least novel to the extent
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I felt it was my moral and professional obligation to take the parent's story at face value it is
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the answer but to sorry someone say something I keep going okay sorry but to
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the dean of the medical school who was heavily invested in hepatitis b vaccine research
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continued vaccine safety research it would not be good for my career well
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keep going andy okay uh where was I um yeah at that time and this is not you know a hard luck
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side there was me on one side and on the other side there was the world health organization unicef
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the bill and malinda gates foundation or the emerging foundation the british government the
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american government the cdc the american medical association the american academy of pediatrics and
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uphill battle and and and I went to america I came to america to continue the work and then
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um because the work was progressing they decided the british medical journal in combination with a
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ability to communicate the message it was very very difficult you can destroy a physician or
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0:09:12 --> 0:09:[privacy contact redaction] that situation and uh just as an interesting story someone wrote the other day why
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didn't andy wakefield sue brian dear and the british medical journal people tend to
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assume the answer if they don't know it they assume the answer rather than posing it as a question
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dear and the british medical journal in the state of texas because that's where I was living that's
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where I was damaged if you like the ability to continue um profitable employment and so
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adduce a great deal of the evidence and you can use that when you come to court and when we did
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that we we deposed um jane smith jane smith was the deputy editor of the british medical journal
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the claims of brian dear the claims of fraud against the six million word transcript of the
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general medical council which is our licensing body which was responsible for striking me off
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removing my medical license that was her job and during the proceedings during the deposition
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my lawyer said to her were you aware miss smith that these were the adversarial proceedings each
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side gets to present their own argument and she said yes she said were you aware that dr wakefield
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his answers and had read none of the counter arguments at all she was then asked were you
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aware that professor john walker smith whose story concurred with mine um was also uh part of these
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in that moment given the claim that they had made to their own lawyers that they had fact checked
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fell apart their lawyers realized and they'd flown in from dallas their lawyers realized that they
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had been lied to at that moment one of the lawyers stood up and walked out of the room
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they had lied to their lawyers and their case just disintegrated and he knew that the next thing that
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round and that is to produce a revised affidavit which makes no reference whatsoever to the gmc
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transcript and that's what he had to do and they realized and sadly what happened next is that
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and we were denied someone very very important did not want this case to go to court and i'm
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sure that's because they know that we would have prevailed and so it was a very interesting
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moment but i share it with you because a lot of people have raised this question why did you not
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sue them and the answer is we did
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now sorry about sorry about these interruptions i don't know whether these are inserts but we
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don't normally have this i've removed i've removed steven so we're just watching keep going and he's
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used to interruptions from troublemakers so where and where where are things now well um
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i'm now a filmmaker and i realized that if i were going to continue to
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knowledge that i had gained and over the years because of the position i'd taken
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a large number of a large number a number of people had come to me from the regulatory agencies
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such as the department of health in the uk the cdc the fda or from the pharmaceutical
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handled these at the time was to pass them on to lawyers to be pursued or not on their merits but
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had no job i decided i'd been very interested in screenwriting since 2004 i'd been working i'd been
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and violent and medicine in the absence of any knowledge of how to treat this put him on
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up to 28 psychotropic medications each one to offset the side effects of the last one it was
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taken to he was there for i think for up to [privacy contact redaction]raints it was
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what is autism is let alone how to treat it so we took him to new york we got him out of there we
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took him to new york through the night and we got him scoped he had inflammatory bowel disease
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who were looking after him had nowhere to live they were she was estranged from her husband and so
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they would go from hotel to motel hotel to motel and every time he heard a siren of which there are
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many in chicago they were coming to lock him up again to take him away and chain him up and he
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on and they were at their wits end they were absolutely exhausted and the next we came to
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hear of him he was in a pediatric intensive care unit at lutheran hospital and again they put him
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of the bed to which he was chained and it was a desperate situation we left there to try and find
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film came out it was a very difficult film to watch but a very important film and i got a call
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four years later gone to trial and she faced a charge of aggravated murder which meant that
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there was no parole no chance of parole and the state's prosecutor from illinois called the lawyer
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he called me and he sent he said andy i've sent them my last dvd of the film and i got a call back
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team based upon a film and film has extraordinary power to tell the truth if it had not been for the
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portrayed her and she would be in prison now and for the rest of her life but the film changed that
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was enormously reassuring it was it it was a story about that really compelled me to move forward
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it with integrity then you can make a big difference and so we then went from to vaxt and vaxt i'm sure
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particular venue tribeck that this had happened and there were financial reasons behind that
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and related to the film sponsors or the film festival sponsorship but what happened then is
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robert de niro realized that he had been duped and he went on television the following week
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on the today show and good morning america he had a great deal of attention he said we should not
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to censor it they kept making the same mistake and it became ever more popular globally and so
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from the vaccine safety office of the cdc it wasn't my opinion it wasn't my producer del
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big tree's opinion if this these were statements and recordings of the whistleblower who was the
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and autism risk and they had decided between the five authors to bury those data to destroy
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the offending documents and to publish something completely different which exonerated mmr and he
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said i i couldn't do that i kept the documents because i realized it was illegal to do that
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and here they are and so we made the film and that was the importance of that is that it was
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from the cdc it was the cdc's opinion it was not ours and this was the senior scientist who was
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involved in it unfortunately there was no accountability that was the tragic thing is that
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congress in front of the oversight committee on government reform or in in front of the courts
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and professional moral and professional ethics ever it was absolutely appalling they deliberately
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and so the films i make now are really about accountability i then wanted to make a film
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death and injury caused by their vaccines once they were on the cdc's recommended schedule
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and this really was the beginning of the end this was a disastrous situation because
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all the vaccine makers could do was to make a profit and they did make a massive massive profit
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and they realized that they the more vaccines they got onto the program then the more money
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that they were producing a vaccine for they loaded up the vaccine schedule for children in
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america and by proxy of the world with these new vaccines and uh it was disastrous because with
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that wealth that they acquired with that power that came with the wealth then they were able to
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buy medical journals they were able to buy politicians they were able to write legislation
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narrative the editorial nothing could go out that wasn't approved by the sponsors and so
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they controlled medical training they funded medical schools they taught medical students
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bobby kennedy um about infertility vaccines administered in third world countries in
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there being a a fertility fertility population control agenda were actually wrong and there was
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and this was something that was funded by the world health organization the bill and melinda
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tetanus prevention program that was in fact rendering these women
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response and that was very alarming i then um decided to make a film about a story that i'd
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erin brockovich or the insider or um silent spring uh based on a true story and it is a vaccine
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fraud by the company that came to my attention from the whistleblower many years ago
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and i made this for i wrote this film and decided ultimately that it had to be made i consulted with
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i brought on to the writing team a great friend of mine uh called terry rosio and people will say well
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who's terry rosio never heard of him terry rosio wrote little known films like
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shrek and pirates of the caribbean and godzilla versus king kong and aladdin and fast and furious
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and uh and deja vu so a man at the top top of his game so we we finished this film together and we
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shot it and it's it'll be hitting the screens in i think september if we're lucky it's it's been
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it really is uh it's going to be a real eye opener the key to successful filmmaking is that first
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and this is going to cause a great deal of of uh interest it comes on the back of
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jim caviezel's sound of freedom i'd strongly recommend that film to you uh it's very powerful
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message and it was produced it's a film about a true story about a hero from the department of
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been sex trafficked and it was it's an extraordinary story of course the left-wing media has had all
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kinds of negative things to say about it but it's grossed in its short release i think it's been out
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for a week it's grossed 40 million dollars so far and this is an independent film that they've
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done everything they can to prevent hitting the screen so um uh yeah i strongly recommend that
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uh film the truth motivates us to respond and people will and uh nothing will stop that so i
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will um we're going to make many films we have a slate of films one thing i said i'd never do
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which seems like we're likely to do is make a film about wuhan there must be 2000 screenwriters
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is um but we that's something that um given some particular insights that we've had where we're
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in the process of putting together right now so film has been something that has allowed me to
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thank you protocol everybody put that in your diary protocol seven all right stephen we got
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so i've asked one of the two questions i wanted to ask you um and obviously i could ask you a
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because it's very important that we hear other people's ideas as well you trigger their brains
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and and so um was there a pandemic was there a pandemic starting in 2020
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um yes there was i i do believe there was i think what we we saw was peter dazak and colleagues
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producing a man-made virus his stated aim was to produce the worst possible most dangerous possible
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coronavirus and at the same time to to produce in the lab a vaccine to counteract that so the
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the cause and the cure at the same time if you like the problem and its solution that was his
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i don't actually agree um but anyway um i just wanted to ask you whether you think there's a
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possibility that they wanted to push the gain of function false narrative because it plays into
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which were pure evil in my opinion and they needed that narrative of uh you know gain of
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we were taught about that at my medical school that deadly viral pandemic uh deadly viral and
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pandemic are mutually exclusive if you if you believe in viruses there are people as you know
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probably who don't believe there are any viruses i must admit that i think the world of virology has
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been hijacked uh the world of epidemiology the world of uh evidence-based medicine has been created
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um these are possibilities in my mind i think we all need to think about what has happened
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but what has happened is so outrageous that i think they needed also genomics and they also
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virology the emphasis shifted from brilliant immune systems of human beings to the present
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situation which i think is that [privacy contact redaction]ates of america to
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get to the age of five which is absolute nonsense so on the one hand you've got a respect
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for human beings and human species but on the other hand you've got no respect at all for
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what has been created this however it was created and we have to come along as mere human beings in
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a universe we can't even quantify with vaccinations in order for healthy children to survive to the
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age of five so i think it's really important if you're going to make a film about wuhan that
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more we don't need to be afraid of future pandemics which destroys the whole reason
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for the world health organization and all the rest of them i i just put it to i'm not uh
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even through uh o'keith with the so-called sting operation which i don't think well it was a double
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bluff in my opinion and that was on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry and others unnamed um but
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say it and i wish we had several hours could we discuss this for a very long time it's something
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that's you know it really arose out of the debate between lamarck and others and pastor about
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whether it was the whether there was an infection or that was causing this or whether it was the
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terrain whether it was the human immune system that was in some way impaired and that debate
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raged and i think the answer is that both elements are true the way in which we respond to infectious
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agents depends upon the integrity of our immune system i've studied measles for 30 years now and
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in great detail and so i've come to the conclusion that yes viruses do exist and they have a unique
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and idiosyncratic pattern of signs symptoms and epidemic that um that mean that yes they are real
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uh but the one that we're dealing with was clearly at least in my opinion and opinion of many people
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to yes and and and i can bring in there's a biologist who you may know because he's connected
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now to uh robert kennedy jj cooey do you know him i don't i don't oh he's absolutely brilliant
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a free-thinking biologist who goes his own way doesn't want ally well he doesn't want allies
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but he wants um yes he he wants allies but he doesn't want to be uh partnered shall we say and
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i think that's the best way to go because this is something that requires original thoughts undiluted
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by anyone else in the case of you for example and in the case of jj cooey and and a few others who
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have been presented to us well many others actually um but anyway really nice to hear you
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then in the future that would be great of course yes all right thank you steve roger okay we're
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going to be quick everybody so minimal minimal sure roger and show your faces if you can everybody
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0:38:23 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]op video roger are you there you're muted you're muted roger
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i don't know whether joseph what about you there's something that you can't actually um
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i couldn't get my video to work by going online yeah charles so you need to tell all these people
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who can't unmute themselves in my opinion that they need to go to the bottom okay just a second
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um it doesn't it doesn't it's not an option roger should be able to do that let's go to
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we'll try mark steel no they need to go to the bottom left they can't unmute themselves by the
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usual means it was the same with me and that's what that is mark okay don't worry stephen okay
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0:39:12 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ew hi yeah it's uh fantastic to meet andrew um obviously you're talking about
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wuhan wuhan had a switch on a 5g and we now know that the interconnection between all of the
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coronavirus symptoms was symptomatic of the exposure to electromagnetic radiation i said
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that very early on everybody said he's crazy it's not true unfortunately i've now got quite
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well it's identical to what they would say was the coronavirus um you know symptoms where you
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suffer pulmonary edema uh you know the the breathing difficulties all caused by electromagnetic
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radiation so there was this switch on in wuhan of the 5g network the chinese had already been
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vaccinated in november 2 19 with contamination in the vaccines and the vaccines had nano
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that you know your interpretation of a virus is what you believe it to be because that's exactly
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what it is however there's an environmental factor that causes the symptoms that you would
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see as a virus so you you'll identify a virus it's a bit like the ebbsdine bar virus if i hit
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somebody with 50 hertz that can cause what will be seen as a as a as the ebbsdine bar virus we're
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using the [privacy contact redaction]rum so we'll see this electromagnetic radiation
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basically an environmental pollutant that pollutes the system quick question we're not mark you've
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a film on the wuhan you really do need to understand the electromagnetic radiation weapons
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program that's now being injected into people's arms due to the contamination the nano metamaterial
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there's a far bigger story about wuhan and there's a far bigger story actually running out across the
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world as we speak yeah no i again i thank you very much for that for sharing it i it's not a subject i
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know anything about i'm aware certainly on children's health defense there's been a great
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deal of discussion about 5g and its its effects on health and it's something i need to get up to
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speed with so um but thank you very much and i i will go away and and read it um and i i avoid
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talking about anything that i don't know anything about because that's not well marks an expert on 5g
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um so i can put you in touch with him if you like andrew you're very kind thank you all right roger
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0:42:41 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] here um pre-covid i trashed you and kennedy because of your theory
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and i'm now eating crow in public i profoundly apologize for any hurt i might have caused
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0:43:05 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]imented for your stand and the the the terrible consequences that you've
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0:43:11 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]ion is this um what is your opinion um on the relationship between childhood
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0:43:20 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]ly thank you very much it was it was unnecessary and i appreciate
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it and you had given the the propaganda or the information that was put out in the mainstream
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guilty so i i hold no ill feeling no grudge whatsoever um sids the relationship between
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vaccines and sids particularly in the context of the dpt vaccine that the wholesale pertussis
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that coincided with vaccine dpt vaccine administration in babies it was not something
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they were looking for it was one of those observations and of course when they made it they
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got into terrible trouble and they've demonstrated to their own satisfaction a clear relationship
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be classified as anecdotal so many cases of children dying very soon after after vaccination
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sids where did sids come from healthy babies do not die they don't die um that would be a
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an evolutionary anomaly and a nightmare doesn't happen it so something and i strongly believe
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based upon the evidence particularly coming out of the vaccine adverse events reporting system in
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this country that there is an association and it is negligent not to fully investigate that
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association and take it from what is now a uh sort of passive reporting system to
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a proper randomized control trial or indeed a long-term follow-up study so i do believe
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based upon my own experience that there is a clear link between sids and vaccine administration
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precisely what the nature of that is i don't know but uh yeah i think that's my position thank you
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thank you thank you roger and thank you for your honesty joseph can you unmute yourself we can see
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you've shown your video you should be able to unmute everyone can unmute you haven't been blocked
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0:45:51 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]ew very very interesting um i wanted to ask sorry you've
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original paper within the lance it something i learned about a medical school um so i'd love
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try let me try and see where we get to um so the parents came to me with a story and the story was
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of onset of um cognitive deterioration into autism and gastrointestinal disturbances
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gi symptoms but they're just part of autism get over it put them in a home have another you know
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it was tragic so i brought together a team including the world's leading pediatric gastroenterologist
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at the time professor john walker smith and he decided that these clinical symptoms merited
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clinical presentation by the world's leading pediatric gastroenterologist and his team
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and what we found when he did that was that these children had inflammatory bowel disease and so
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as you know the initial reports of novel human or potentially novel humans disease syndromes
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are anecdotal they are one case to 50 i mean crohn's was first described in what 12 cases 13
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cases aids in one case i mean this is how medical syndromes are first described that doesn't mean
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there's any causal relationship it's simply saying this is what we've observed this is what the
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inflammatory bowel disease medicine had been wrong and we had a responsibility to at least report the
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parental association with regression following vaccination that was very very unpopular and
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uh these case series is to promote the iterative process of science to then put it to the test in
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a randomized control in some kind of controlled setting where we're comparing children with
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association that loads of causal association between the vaccine and the syndrome described
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0:49:12 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]udies are required to clarify this this was taken by the media turned into wakefield
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claims mmr causes autism no i didn't we were quite clear it was a very sober paper when you read it
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a very sober paper about the possible association and the need for further investigation so that's
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that's what it was but there was a an intense desire to put an end to this
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work once and for all and unfortunately that's what happened now the sorry the gastrointestinal
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link with autism has been reproduced in multiple papers worldwide if you want to look any up then
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look up kriegsman a kriegsman he was a pediatric gastroenterologist in in new york at mount
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0:50:00 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]ease look up arthur kriegsman and you'll see many references to the work that
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0:50:07 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] on this subject thank you thank you thank you
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we're going to keep moving joseph because we're tight but thank you great question joseph
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0:50:19 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] let's go unmute yourself leonard
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0:50:27 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] to go to the bottom left of your screen leonard as i did
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bear with me one second i'm just going to see if these people are right
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0:50:40 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] should be able to unmute bottom left screen they're not here yet beautiful
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0:50:47 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] you're good now go for it
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0:50:52 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] you're unmuted would you turn it in mind sorry it just while we're waiting for leonard i
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went to or if you received a payoff when you went to the states it was a colleague who suggested
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that's okay sorry you know someone once said there some some pediatrician said the other
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day wakefield confessed to his sins and is in prison i'm sorry to laugh but i
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i know can you hear me no not been in prison and no there was i have received no payoff well i
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0:51:34 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]ually um i i was the dean of the medical school and the professor of medicine came to me
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one day the professor of medicine and his colleagues and said you no longer form part of the future of
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my department i had i had tenure at the hospital i am the tenured physician um but no i had to go
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and so i had no job i had nothing i so i moved to the united states on the basis that if i was going
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to progress this work anywhere in the world it would be in the united states of america and uh
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because it couldn't be done in england by virtue of the the very constrained structure of of medical
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0:52:19 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] quite the opposite i was uh i was kind of financially destitute at
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that point um because were you the dean of st mary's medical school me no no no no no i was uh
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harry zuckerman um no i was i ran a research team there i was a oh i see the department of medicine
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0:52:49 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ew um shawls can you hear me now yes we can and andrew uh i have you
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i've watched or followed your your journey for a long time since that i'll call it infamous bbc
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documentary where you were put in front of a lynch mob and at the time that you were raising your
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concerns about autism i was working on alternatives to vaccines or sustainable
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0:53:16 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] you come across host defense peptides or antimicrobial peptides
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mitigate disease prevent disease but um i've certainly heard of them it's it's a field that's
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moved on considerably since i i left medical and research practice okay and can i say that these
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okay this is something i've been working for since [privacy contact redaction] you ever come across a gentleman of
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the name of rolf zinkenagel professor he was awarded a nobel prize for in medicine in in
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0:54:08 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]ured to rolf zinkenagel and his group many years ago about the subject about
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0:54:15 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction] of vaccines and autism yeah i was uh i was immensely impressed by dr zinkenagel
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that's that's fantastic can i say that i met him in 2006 um at a conference on autoimmune diseases
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my idea worked i was working on antimicrobial peptides and how they could treat a number of
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different diseases and i sent him a review was a 20 page review with 126 references and he
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he said it's following new ideas if we have in common that you've worked with zinkenagel you have
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0:54:54 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction] for him i would very much dearly like to tell you about how what my work has been i'm an
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and i'll pass it to um andy i promised yeah and there's another one have you come across il10
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yes absolutely we did a bunch of work on il10 i have some interesting data on that with covid
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kennedy was speaking about was he an anti-vaxxer if you can speak of a equivalent vaccine strategy
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which is safe would that be a helpful position to be in so if i think you could argue absolutely
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you could argue if you can present me with a vaccine that is safe genuinely completely safe
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any of the vaccines so so so yes it's not that i would endorse it or that i would personally take
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it but it makes you know if it is genuinely safe and effective which none of them are then we're
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in a very different position um guys i've my meeting has just arrived so i better love you
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0:56:25 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]ew thank you for your time my pleasure it's great to be on and i will join
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0:56:33 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]ew can i can i so the people who've got their hands up uh watch out for
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for another announcement about another meeting with andrew i just wanted to ask you andrew
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because it's important we haven't got much time maybe um james patrick do you know him he's a
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filmmaker and he made the brilliant documentary planet lockdown on a shoestring budget i think
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you too yeah yeah no i know him well yeah he in fact he provided the footage for the
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infertility film i made with bobby kennedy yes indeed interesting and by the way i think we
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were interrupted by our friend or our enemy um when you mentioned the word infertility
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right i wonder if that was uh yes and i've been focusing more and more on that
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because if you want to kill uh populations around the world you need to attack fertility
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and there's great plausible deniability because of the delay so right you think
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i better go thank you so much for having me on thank you so much yes bye thank you
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thank you ruffley field god bless
