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So everybody, welcome to today's meeting of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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We're having an urgent announcement for five minutes to start before I introduce Jay Kui,
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wonderful presenter, wonderful thinker who's joining us today.
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We're going to have five minutes from Craig Pardikoop who's presented to us twice before.
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This group was founded over three years ago by Stephen Frost. I'm Charles Kovace. I'll do a
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shortened invitation today. We comprise lots of professions here and we're from all around the
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world. We recognise that we're in World War III and that we're part way through World War III.
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This is a free speech environment with appropriate moderating. We reject the
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not fear. Fear is the opposite of love. Fear squashes you and enslaves you. Love, on the other
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hand, expands you and liberates you. So thank you for being here. The meeting is recorded,
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0:01:22 --> 0:01:[privacy contact redaction]oaded onto the Rumble channel and before I introduce Jay Kui, Craig Pardikoop,
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in the next five minutes is yours. We are all ears and Craig, we can see your screen.
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Can anyone? Lovely, great. Okay, so the headline is and I'm not sure how you're going to take this,
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but I'm just going to just tell you the facts without trying to interpret them.
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A message has been found in the X logo for the X platform and it is a significant meaning to
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everyone. The logo was made public initially in August [privacy contact redaction]atform when Elon took over
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a bit odd, but no one actually zoomed in and actually saw what was embedded in the message.
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numbers which comprise a message. Initially, I didn't know what language it was in, but it's
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I'll show you briefly what that is. So the central scratch is not a scratch. It's a message.
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When I deciphered it, it consisted of two parts. It consisted of a sequence that repeated three
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horny, but I'm just going to say what the facts are. It reads.
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This is.
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Hang on, Craig. This is.
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Hang on, Craig. We got to it reads and then you got stopped. Start again. It reads.
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Okay. It reads.
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It reads.
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In letters, not in numbers. So you got S-I-X, S-I-X and S-I-X. I've put a full document of this
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on my website, howbad.info under the section COVID and Cult. So people can look at it in detail
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and get zooming in on high resolution images to see this. And in between is an image that
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I go into. I can interpret this in detail in the files that I've provided.
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This is the image that I was referring to between the 60s. This is the only other thing in the
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upright walking position, but it has the head of a beast.
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And it goes by a name beginning with two letters, E-L followed by two spaces. So it's a four letter
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name beginning with E-L. Now concerning the image above the X, which is on everyone's phone,
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this is it. And initially I wasn't sure what it was, but then when we used high resolution,
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we can see this is it's a person. Their head is at an angle of 20 degrees to their right.
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They're holding a sword of some kind in their right hand and on their left shoulder they have
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chevrons, which is a military insignia. So this is a commander of some kind.
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You can see its eyes here and here, its nose,
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its mouth, and there's a symmetry at 20 degrees to the vertical. And you can see
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one of its ears here, which looks quite pointed. Now as bizarre as all this sounds like a fairy
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tale, it's actually what's on everyone's phone. And the interpretation is the X, my interpretation
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through the X, that's the iota chi, which is the symbol for Jesus Christ. It's a traditional
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To me it looks like the symbol for the Antichrist because we have instead of Jesus,
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it's relevant to what's going to be happening in America over the next few months, which is that
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they're having an election. People are taking part in that election and it's up to people to decide
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whether they want to take this information into account. That's all. And this information
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and this information isn't provided by anyone except the person who is taking part in the
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by them themselves. They're declaring who they are here. I'm just saying this is relevant and
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it's going to affect the history of America and also of the globe in the coming months.
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So I've said that. That's my newsflash. At the bottom of the...
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I've provided links. So here you have... You can find this information under Covid and Cult.
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I've created a document that's about 40 pages where I go into detail in analyzing the image.
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And I'll invite everybody to at least take this into consideration regarding a self-declared
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You know, so therefore whatever they decide, they decide.
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Well done, Craig. Thank you for all those links. Have you put those links into the chat? Have you, Craig?
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Okay, I'm going to go back to...
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I'll just put... Just copy and paste while Jay starts. Just copy and paste that into the chat,
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And he's frozen. Yes, he is.
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All right. So I've got... We've got those links. I can put them into the chat
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and we'll get... Craig, thank you for that. If you can hear us, that is a newsflash. And Craig
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And Jonathan J. J., or JJ Cooey, I really should say. I'm delighted. We're delighted to have you
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again to talk about the Human Genome Project. Jay's bio is on the show notes for those of you
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who don't know who he is. He is a researcher and wonderful presenter, wonderful investigator. And
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we thank you so much again, Jay, for joining us. And thank you again, Stephen Frost, for creating
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Jay, over to you. You can share your screen and you're the man.
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other side. If you can't see this as one screen, you just have to change your view to speaker view.
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So I want to take a look at this book, which is called What is Life? Mind and Matter. I put a link
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in the chat. It's a link on my website where if you go to that link, you can see these PDFs that
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are downloadable. And one of them is this book. You can also find this book on the Internet Archive.
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you can find the PDF of it. Some of the PDFs have this cover. Some of the PDFs have a little chicken
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on the front. There's a Cambridge version. There's another. Well, this one's also a Cambridge
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version. Maybe there's multiple ones. Anyway, I think that the reason why this book is so
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uses at universities in America. And with the help of my friend Mark Kulak and other people like
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Peter Hotez and others, it has become very clear to me that there is a long mentor chain of
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can't understand about ourselves. And it's a sorry, I thought my dog was going to come in here.
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It's a it's become sort of my life. Now, it was COVID, but COVID is kind of passed for me,
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and over again for you and for many other people, that we actually inherited these charlatans from
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our parents that I realized that I needed to explore the consequences of that idea.
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And the consequences of that idea, of course, are having to go back to those times and those books,
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debate about whether it was a lab leak or whether a lab leak was ridiculous, or a bridge too far,
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I think that video is important is because in the first 30 minutes of that video, you basically have
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a person teaching the central dogma of biology and teaching all of the
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teaching through all of the major, let's say, greatest hits that you have to, you know,
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then you can go on into the university system or on to PubMed or on to any of these primary
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and all of their concepts fit. And what's extraordinary is, is that I, as a professional
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point, I think if I would have been in a bar or in a situation where somebody challenged me
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on the primacy of the idea of evolution and the primacy of the idea that the brain evolved from,
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you know, previous forms or whatever, and to defend that idea, I would have been there
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everything all the time, ultra confident that a few basic principles were sufficient for me to
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model in my mind how it is that a lightning bolt could hit a mud puddle and just the right
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combination could happen. And then now you have this spontaneous process that billions of years
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later results in me going to the prom and crying afterward. And for me, that's where the rubber
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doesn't meet the road anymore. For me, as a child and as a biologist when I was a kid, there was no
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yet, as an adult, I started to realize that that kid was really not present when I was working at
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knobs and then pretend that, okay, if I leave these two knobs alone and turn knob number one,
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then I get one result. And if I turn knob number one with knob number two, I get another result.
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And then that's supposed to be understanding the system because you're ignoring all the other knobs
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professor is being able to, at the same time as you justify how important the knobs are that you're
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turning, also very humbly admit that you don't know what any of the other knobs do and you're
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sure that they do things important too. And so as long as you play that game, you can become an
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lies and on which all the premise on which your expertise is based. And over these last five years
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for me personally, the most humbling thing about it has been to realize how awfully wrong I was
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about so many things that I thought I understood. And also what's been very humbling to me is how
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easily that can be rearranged once you realize what bricks are there and who put them there and
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how they got there. And you can feel good about it because you realize that it wasn't your fault.
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It wasn't just because a couple people got it wrong in your particular biology class.
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It's because there has been this trend, a wave of knowledge, a wave of what I guess I would call
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were into nuclear bombs and radiation and at the cusp of thinking that we were about to make major
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I'll just scroll to the top. This is What is Life by Erwin Schrodinger. I think this is the one with
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the chicken on the front. Yeah, this is the one you can download from the archive. And so if we go
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make some big points, okay? And it's a really important book. You can find so many people
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who will highlight it as a seminal book in their reading. And before I get started with highlighting
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to try and put you in the right space of exploration in terms of what might be going on with you and
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what I think happened to me. I want you to imagine a scenario where you grow up and all the teachers
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and all of the adults that are around you believe that they need to feed the right birds and attract
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will come and announce that the sicknesses are coming and all this stuff. And you can imagine
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very easily this elaborate mythology that would be created with weather and with what birds eat
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and all this other knowledge that could be misconstrued as birds being an intimate connection
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to nature and to our health and to our understanding of our biology and with a crafty set of liars,
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you could get that to work, you could get that to go even if at the beginning everything was really
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well meant and it seemed to really work that if you attract cardinals then generally speaking
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this revolution we were being propelled forward our greatest thinkers were chemists and physicists
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and so this guy acknowledges that and sort of without even really knowing it exposes the
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problem that's going on here and one of the terms that comes from this book is aperiodic crystal.
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and what occurs in biology is an aperiodic crystal because it changes over time and it's a very
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and that's actually maybe where this term gene originates or thinking about genes originates.
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So if I scroll down a little bit through this thing one of the first things that comes up here
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I'm going to make myself smaller is that the reason that this book needs to be written and
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he's of course a mathematician you can oh I forgot which one I'm using here he's a mathematician
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and so the scary part would be of course or the assumption would be that he's going to use math
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he says here it's not going to be hardly utilized at all and why is that well it's because this
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clear in everybody's head as a as a starting biologist or a restarting biologist or recovering
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integrity that remains integrism to and through time and it's that developmental time course from
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a child to an adult to an older adult to an elderly person that is a single course irreversible
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let's say cross over into a biology and apply their their understanding of the world to biology
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because they are the the the curators of the the laws of physics and the laws of chemistry so if
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life is governed by these laws then who better to convert to biology when biology is ready to accept
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this is page four the top here this is the assumption so the preliminary answer which this
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little book will endeavor to expound and establish can be summarized as follows
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the obvious inability of present-day physics and chemistry to account for such events is no reason
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at all for doubting that they can be accounted for by those sciences so just because we don't have the
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this is this is written at a time when they're getting excited about the possibility of identifying
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this was true and so we don't still don't we still can't look inside of a cell and see the actual
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status of the dna molecule which parts of it are exposed which parts are wrapped up which ones are
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being translated or not all of those things are done using physics and chemistry means by which
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you take something that is very tiny and then you attempt to make lots of it so that the presence
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of lots of it is interpretable at a single size level and that's what's so beautiful about the
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beginning of this book the beginning of this book explains the rationale upon which this this bridge
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there's no reason for doubting that just because we can't explain it now and so the finding of dna
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and since they found it it has been physicists and chemists that have been used or abused or
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sacred all of what was assumed to be creation can now be assumed to be the consequence of physical
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book which is you can't i guess you can't see that maybe i can do this is uh the phenomenon of man by
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doesn't really matter in the his in the 30s he was actually kind of kicked out of the church or
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getting the the catholic church got angry at him why because he was really really into that pith
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down man guy i don't know if you remember this um but there was something in the in the 20s or the
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down man summary is a uh fossilized remains that were discovered in 1912 and so he was around then
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but it was in the 30s that he wrote a lot of these books including this one which didn't get
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man and ran with it and said that that meant darwin was right and that meant that we were
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descended from animals and the church didn't like that but this guy was really like oh this solves
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problem of how did god make us by saying that god did evolution is actually something really
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than peter jotes in an article in the lancet in 2024 as being a seminal thinker in this public
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health space this guy right here went for evolution fully and also in this thing said that the the
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idea as the equivalent of fish swimming in groups in the water and men swimming in groups of of
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conscious thought not water but conscious thought and so um the idea was is that because the
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population would eventually come in contact with each other he couldn't have seen the internet or
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a species and of course that also means again because we're we are um if we go back to this
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and you know what individuals do is really it's really um not as important as what we do as a
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species and where we go into the future and so um if i if i use that as a branch um then um let me
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see if i can quickly jump over here so this is the paper that we're all talking about the initial
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sequencing and analysis of the genome by the international human genome sequencing consortium
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and this was published in nature i think in 2001 or 311 2001 and so i think it's just really telling
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the 20th century the opening weeks of the 20th century which is actually around the same few
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years that we were talking about with regard to the pith down man and with regard to when this
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what we're seeing here is a very disingenuous misrepresentation even of what mendel's laws mean
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and i i was one of the many things that i wanted to cover um i think everybody in this chat would
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very rich family in europe for a very long time but they were also incredibly inbred and i don't
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the the um family tree uh that that video that i gave you that family tree is in there and you
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can see that there's like aunts that are also grandmoms and then there's also great-grandfathers
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that are also grandfathers and it's super bizarre because there's lots of people that are marrying
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within the family for a long time and so that is genetically very bad but it's interesting in that
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video he jokes because it's really good for geneticists and actually it's important to
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to me when i was in high school when it was re-taught to me and when i was in college and
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illusion and the illusion of this is is that mendel just got pea plants out and started breeding them
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together and it was all good and that's an absolute lie mendel spent a long time
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it's not it's not that he just started with pea plants with with wrinkles and pea plants without
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then when he bred them together he could see these sorting ratios now if you understand then
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that there are certain phenotypes there are certain attributes that might by coincidence
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let's say clean enough genetic signals and so in the case of the habsburgs there were probably
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several several combinations of genes that would stand out as wow these are bad and if we looked
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the likelihood of that being a developmental process or a genetically predetermined process
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signals in our own genetic let's say catalog and that's where the bamboozlement happened here
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that's what i can speak to personally as a neurobiologist because when i got into
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neuroscience everybody everybody was hoping that they would get a chance to work on a knockout
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has a protein a gene at that time a protein was really the gene that you would knock out or a gene
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and so you'd knock out a protein and if you got lucky enough and the mouse lived
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what that protein did in the mouse the mice that have it and because you're working on an inbred
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mouse line the background noise is very low the signal is very consistent across animals
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and so if these genes are these proteins are present or not present it's very easy to screen
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they use inbred mouse lines that by definition are very much like the peas of mendel but it is
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very clear from the hapsburgs family tree that if we tried to make an inbred strain of human
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human if we got anywhere near the homogeneity of mice there would be no living humans anymore
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will tell you that the central dogma the dna to rna to protein is essentially how life works and
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everything that's alive does that and that cells are the smallest unit of life and cells come from
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other cells except at the origin of life after the origin of life there was always a cell and
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then cells beget cells and that's how we have all the cells that we have and so really it is no
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different than the than the idea that i've said multiple times to you about in much shorter
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time scale the idea that that uh let's see is that one that one the idea that why did that work
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the idea that that something that's endemic is impossible to tell from something that is
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that was already in the background and so what we have from an evolutionary perspective from a
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this this four-dimensional family tree or whatever that they propose is where we came from we don't
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have any data from that except for the current hundred years of life that we've been able to
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catalog both molecularly and and and macroscopically you know whatever what they look like and and and
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background you can't tell the difference because you don't have any data we don't have any data
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we don't have any data from what animals were on the planet in 1600 and a good survey of them
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we don't have a good survey from uh [privacy contact redaction]s are talking about evolution
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on a much longer time scale with no data on any of those timescales they just they you just have
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to accept it because they found dna and since dna is the chemical and physical explanation for how
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life works the code then then evolution is also real so that that video that i put in as as homework
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academic medical professionals think about the basis of all life on earth what we share in common
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0:38:11 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]e in this thing um and i know this is out of date now but in 2003
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here's where the bacteria are over here and here are the animals and we're over on this part if
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you can see my my arrow here and so this is like a pdf you can zoom in and see all the animals that
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showed that they went for for some used ai to find all the rna viruses and some sample and they found
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all kinds of new viruses or potential new viruses using metagenomic sequences it's no different
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then you can make this tree and claim all you want but the bottom line is is that none of these
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animals are anything but contemporaries of the process that they claim they came from
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all of these assumptions are wholly based in my humble opinion on these bricks that these main
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matter of time before we are able to understand it use it manipulate it improve it and everything
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else is an assumption all the spending is an assumption all of the grant calls assume this
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everything it's all based on this and i even based my understanding of the brain and my my
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organization of my my thoughts on how to pursue a further understanding of the brain based on this
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idea that i had to think of neurons as expressing genes and genes coming on and off and how even
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though we can't monitor that we assume it's happening and all of this gets fueled by these
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these wonderful cartoons and and all of these elaborate animations and in that same video that
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i i sign you for homework he will at some point um he will show you a video that somebody made
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a computer animation of dna being copied and proofread and in that entire model there's no
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water molecules there's no other proteins and chaperones around there's no bases anywhere it's
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it's happening in an aqueous solution of course there are other proteins around so why are we
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then it gets wrapped up and it becomes double stranded again it's all very beautiful and
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whatever but we don't have cameras that can see that we don't have electron microscopy flash
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different than the cartoons of of covid no different than even the image of covid that
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they use from the very beginning with the red red spikes and gray body
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it's no different than this you can draw this picture it doesn't make it right
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and you can you can publish the the human genome and then and say that you did something but it
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doesn't mean that you did and so in this thing they even admit it that that much work remains to be
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so it's all very simple but i i just don't think that it's true and this is the reason why because
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i want to go back to schrodinger because on page 21 and i again you got to read the whole book the
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things that schrodinger does is he gives you a couple of really good um examples of it where
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what essentially what he's saying is is that everything that physicists and chemists think
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these molecules then the attributes of them start to become obvious and without enough of them the
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particles around for them to see anything or do anything with them and the number of particles
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that are involved increases our accuracy in terms of our ability to predict what the what the system
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life and these assumptions are are how they they purport to understand us and so um there's a couple
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one here where he's talking about how a tube full of oxygen can be a voltage can be applied
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you're thinking of it as an average effect um there's also this discussion about diffusion
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and sinking fog which is also very uh enlightening but i just want to get past all this stuff just to
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is a guy who who who sees the problem um and so in the second part he's talking about the
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hereditary mechanism and and what the problem is and he sees a very big problem but a lot of the
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code script chromosomes let me use the word pattern of an organism in the sense in which
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ontogenetic development from the fertilized egg cell to the stage of maturity when the organ begins
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to reproduce itself now this whole four-dimensional pattern is known to be determined by the structure
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of that one cell the fertilized egg known to be determined
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if we if if that's the case we know it is essentially determined by the structure of
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only a small part of that cell the nucleus the dna that's it right so what is he going to say
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down here then and this is the trick every complete set of chromosomes contains the full code
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so there are as a rule two copies of the latter in the fertilized egg cell which forms the earliest
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stage of the future individual and then we go down here and he says you know that it can be a black
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cock or a speckled hen or a fly or a maze plant a rhododendron a beetle a mouse or a woman to which
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we may add that the appearances of the egg cells are often remarkably similar and so even when they
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are not as in the case of the comparatively gigantic eggs of birds and reptiles the difference is not
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for obvious reasons but the term code script of course is too narrow the chromosome structures
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law code and executive power or to use another simile they are the architect's plan and the
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builder's craft in one and so my argument will be that up until now and including the present day
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needed or code that isn't read even though we know from this own physicist's opinion and from lots of
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other scholars to follow that the main question of how does this all orchestrate together you
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don't just make proteins and then because of the nature of their chemistry and physics they just
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assemble into the things that they do and go where they're supposed to go and do what they're
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contained in this single code then we're missing a whole large part of it and biologists around the
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for a long time too i've just never didn't realize that people were already codifying it so
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eloquently already back when when this guy's book was written because this is not part of biology
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101 you don't read day shard and you don't read schrodinger you don't read you don't read jonas
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biology means that as a species we need to put our big boy pants on and start taking control of our
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evolution because we are a phenomenon we aren't individuals this is the natural evolution of us
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as as thinking individuals that's what all these people want us to believe and that's why i think
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it's really important to have a good sense of of how to move forward they have told us for example
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that there are diseases that are genetic and they get them confused with infectious diseases because
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to fight out and and that's really important to see that that just like the pea plants with
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wrinkled or smooth seeds you can find rare examples or exceptions to the rule where a single gene
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and it's missing or it's it's it's mutation it can result in a phenotypic change that's
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in neuroscience you'll see this happen where a a neuropsychiatric condition actually when you start
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to look at what they now call genome-wide association studies where they take a bunch of
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0:49:20 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]e and classify them as all having the same set of symptoms and then they look across their
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genomes for signals that they share it's often a complete disaster and they they find nothing
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and so they the the idea that these physicists and chemists hoped would occur and manifest because of
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the discovery of dna has failed miserably and the start of that failure goes all the way back to the
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0:49:47 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]etion of the human genome project and it is extraordinary because again
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in that you know we're going all the way back to 2001 and a nature paper and and we are now supposed
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to believe that someone from the whitehead institute who worked for eric lander named
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kevin mccurnin is one of the guys who's put his put his life and career on the line to come and
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save us from the laboratory leak and from the dna contamination in the transfection and most of the
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the the basic methodologies that are responsible for all the biologics in the world all the
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0:50:28 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]uff he was involved in it and if you go down
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to the to the discussion here i want you to point out that the idea of this actually started at the
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department of energy and i don't know if you're anyone's aware that's not in the united states
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that it descends from the same funding and the same secrecy that ditra comes from that the state
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department uses and that all of the manhattan project used and so in order to maintain that
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0:51:03 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]er to maintain that funding stream a lot of those physicists that were involved in the
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0:51:09 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]ually went into the the precursor projects of the human genome project
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0:51:15 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] of those that that that's that's just traceable history that just nobody nobody traces
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0:51:22 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] kind of humbly submit that i don't know i just know that this has been
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exaggerated for a long time if i humbly submit that that i think we have a lot of work to do to
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try and extricate our kids from this we cannot have our kids growing up thinking that most of
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their biology is determined by genes and most of the genes have already been identified and with
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0:51:48 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] a matter of time and doing the work before all of these problems can be solved by altering
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those genes because that is not the truth yet that is the truth that's presented in biology 101 and
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0:52:00 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]e i have a i have a a an article from the same i guess it's
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a year later where they're talking about how every biology it's a it's a opinion piece in nature i
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apologize for not having it up where they argue that every young person needs to be taught the
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0:52:22 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]and how important it is going forward and that they
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0:52:27 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]s with the right outlook so that we can make the fastest progress
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0:52:34 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ery of this and i i am sorry but you know after after being a biologist for 20
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0:52:42 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] didn't get it i didn't get it and now i i actually think i do um in the sense of
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of a lot of what i thought i knew was already well understood to a level of high fidelity was actually
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a lot of bravado and promises that date back to a time when we didn't have all the molecular
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0:53:00 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] now or all the molecular evidence that might be thrown at us now
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the ideas were already well formed and we are still working firmly within those ideas which
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are rooted in in in physics thinking and probability thinking and big numbers thinking
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and and that that's a real dangerous place for our kids to grow up
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because that's the same place where viruses are outside of us those enzymes are outside of us
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and that rna in viral form can can be as dangerous as as a new mosquito or or or an
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invasive rodent or worse worse than a nuclear bomb so i know you might be disappointed but
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0:53:43 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] important thing for me to say right here is that you guys have
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given me too much time this is my i really believe it's my sixth time speaking so i want to i want
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0:53:56 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]and that also there was a lot of biology around bacteriophages
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0:54:01 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]eriophages that have remained assumed that a a a similar relationship
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0:54:10 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction] between us and and similar particles and that insistence is also a false basis for
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for this viral contagion idea and and hiding this basic transfection and transformation so
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0:54:25 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]ead of speaking for an hour i already probably spoke too long um i want to you know be able to
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0:54:31 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]ions as anybody wants to throw at me even from previous uh previous talks um
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you're gonna find a lot of pushback you're gonna find a lot of pushback i would say try to get
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kevin mccurnin on here again without me here um and let me let me give you a few questions that
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you can ask him that will that will reveal exactly what kind of chicanery is going on now and i think
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that's really where we are they they need more data they think that if they have more data and
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they feed it into more computers that eventually they'll make the progress they thought they were
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going to make 20 years ago back when back when these guys were talking about it but i don't think
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that's the case um i'm very i very apologize for if it wasn't as organized as you thought it would
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0:55:13 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ain the human genome project in his in an hour is pretty tough and
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0:55:18 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ate of the art right now is extraordinary um but it's also still just chemistry and it hasn't
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scratched the surface of of how we as a pattern integrity are generated maintained um it's just
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not there yet we're not going to get there probably and i don't think it's necessary honestly um
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0:55:37 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction] well jay loved it loved it not disappointed at all i love the series of questions and i love
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what this the intent of this group is to is to stop thinking yes i know how how life works
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and so thank you for we'll call this the confession of jj um my my the people that i've been around for
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0:56:01 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction] said similar things including ian bright hope has told this group about the
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0:56:06 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]ioning of the human cell is minuscule so the sheer ego of people
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saying this is how it works it's lovely to be reminded of that and you know oh there's lots of
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0:56:18 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction] say there's that in the same list of things to download there's a book by
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0:56:22 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]anding living systems he's a guy from the uk who's been around for a
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long time he's still at it um you know he's one of many dudes who this is me discovering that there
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0:56:33 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]e out there um it's not my idea it's not my idea at all um i'm just happy to be a
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part of the the awakening to it um thanks thanks jay so steven next 15 minutes is yours we've got
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lots of hands up and um let's go with you steven so jj um i um sense that this is really important
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0:57:00 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]n't really been thinking about it i must admit so um i just was thinking as you were
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talking um what do you think is true so do you believe in new evolution and is evolution
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0:57:15 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]ent with the belief in god um uh and evolution in the in the x-men sort of way where
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there's random mutations and you know then everybody just reproduces and the ones that
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reproduce are passing their genes along is not sufficient to it well whether human beings are
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evolved from animals no i i don't i don't know that no i don't i guess i i probably did before
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0:57:43 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction] come to understand that we only have data from today and and any data
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0:57:49 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]ill not deep enough in time for any justification to think
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that there has been a dynamic change from mud puddle to monkey to man so um so essentially the
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same scenario as we've had in the last five years they were talking about gain of function research
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and how dangerous you know putting putting the idea in people's heads ordinary people's heads
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that oh a lab leak oh and they put a lab near me too apparently the labs can appear anywhere um so
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0:58:21 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] kind of gone unchecked you know because it's a cult and
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that everybody wants to join the cult so that they're not threatened and don't have to take
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0:58:33 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] cults gone mad or what and so where does darwin fit in this charles darwin
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you know the origin of species yeah charles darwin didn't think that his theory explained all the way
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back to the mud puddle i mean and he knew that a lot of his contemporaries knew that i think
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um i mean you know i i was in preparation for this and the reason why i kind of pulled the
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chute and didn't try to do a really one hour you know discussion about molecular biology some kind
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of crash course or something was because i think it's a really bigger idea than that i mean i i
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i found a paper where they tried to to describe all the major phylogenies of spiders and then i
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suddenly realized that you could think in the in the very short time scale and think oh yeah
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those are different species of spider or you could think of those as snapshots of a continuum of
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0:59:29 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]s of expression of all the same basic um biological pattern and so if you look
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at a long enough time scale in your imagination spiders don't ever have to have come from anything
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0:59:44 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]antly changing vibration um and we can be constantly changing
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0:59:51 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction] come from more primitive ones um so again i feel like the lack of
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data from anywhere but now um and and also the idea for example that everybody that collects
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dinosaur bones doesn't work for a university but as a private company um and they only sell models
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1:00:11 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction] for me it's all starting to drive me nuts because i know that the exaggeration is
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is multi-generational so um much like if you if anyone is familiar with this um i i just had is
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ray kurtzweiler is a guy who for many years has been talking about the exponential growth of
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technology and some kind of point of you know you know where technology and biology is going to come
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together and he's been projecting for a long time because he's very very smart and he's you know i
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don't know i use math or something that it's like 2040 um when we're going to be able to upload our
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consciousness or there will be no more disease or something like this this is the same promise
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1:00:57 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]e are making in these in these books that i'm holding up here when they didn't
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know as much as we know now this it's the same thing that elon musk is saying that in 10 years
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we're going to be able to implant something in your brain that will interact with all
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with all parts of your i mean it's just absurd it's these statements are absurd but absolutely
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1:01:19 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] is part of that the human genome project is part of that the idea that
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1:01:25 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ood that that if they were going to extract any meaningful data
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from us they were going to need us to to think of ourselves in this way so jj um i agree with you so
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1:01:40 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] to examine think about everything but we are actually just like them we're human beings
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too so we're going to be somewhat limited but apparently we're told that there are hundreds
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1:01:53 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ars suns in our galaxy and there are hundreds of billions of galaxies
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1:02:02 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]t in one solar system and the nearest solar system
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1:02:13 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction] serious i think it is um and um so uh and that's the
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1:02:23 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ar and there are hundreds of billions of stars in our galaxy
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1:02:30 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]eds of billions of milky ways it's just incredible isn't it so
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is that true do you think or or huh i don't i don't know i i honestly it's true if it is true
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1:02:45 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]e get to say that and at the same time elon musk is talking
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1:02:52 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]l inter solar system travelers i understand it went and people as you
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know aren't properly educated so they've got no idea of what the numbers mean so four light years
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1:03:06 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]ance if you're traveling by anything that a man made um so so uh and that's the nearest
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1:03:15 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]em so quite where elon musk is going in his interplanetary travel or inter solar system
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1:03:22 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]l i don't know and and in what machine or is he talking about being kind of going through time
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what do you know no i don't know i mean honestly i think it's all just
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it's all hamster wheels um unfortunately and i think if we if we wake up to it soon enough our
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kids can get out of the trap um we're not going to get out of this trap it's like a moving thing
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so jj what do you think is at the moment what do you think is true now everything that you thought
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was true is coming apart but what do you think is still true now i mean there are there are probably
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1:04:03 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]exity of small genetic signals in the background in our world and
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there what does that mean to to the layman that no matter what small sample you took you're probably
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going to be able to find some genetic material in it and these people have just like you know if you
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1:04:25 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] you're going to get birds in the backyard that doesn't mean that those
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1:04:29 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] all kinds of significance for your life and and i really think that if you look using
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their tools and their techniques which essentially are not very good um because again you're you're
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1:04:43 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]e one of the things that that that that it relies on is that that
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they're supposedly the same molecule in every cell so that if they have enough of your cells
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and they isolate the the nuclei then they have lots of copies of the same molecule and that's one
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1:05:01 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]s that they can get a lot of it if they don't have a lot of it just like any other
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physical or chemical process if you don't have enough molecules you don't know what's going on
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what's going on if you if you don't have enough atoms you don't have any attributes it's not a
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gas or a liquid and if you don't have enough of these biomolecules you can't tell what the
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sequence is and so with dna if you don't have enough of it you can't sequence it so all of
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this process of saying what was in the cell is based on making orders of magnitude more
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measure when you make enough of it is equivalent to what you would have measured if you only had
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one in one cell and there's such a giant number of assumptions there that any number of ways
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that producing the large quantity and then measuring it could have no bearing on what
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the original small quantity was and we of course are taking all of this for granted as being done
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1:06:07 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]ivity and high accuracy since the 70s which i think at this point
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and you've got a very good handle on biology and it would be really helpful if you wrote a book
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in the future maybe not now because you're still in a confused state as far as i can see
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1:06:41 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction] but you're being honest and you could write a book entitled
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what we know you know and and we could agree on what we actually do know and what we don't know so
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i'm now wondering whether it's 93 million miles to the to the sun our sun
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um and whether what we've been told are there hundreds of billions of stars in our
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1:07:08 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]eds of billions of galaxies in the universe don't know but if there are that
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1:07:15 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]eds of billions then that means it's there are a lot of
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suns in the world in the universe aren't them and that's beyond our comprehensive the the flip
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side of this would be that that you could study a long time the diversity of the grains of sand on
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the on the on the beaches of italy and probably find a lot of interesting patterns and possibilities
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there but if if in the end all of those measurements and calculations have no bearing on
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on jay and pittsburgh then i guess i'm gonna i probably want to teach my kids about other things
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1:07:55 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] part of of astrophysics is it's fine to look at the stars and
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it's fine to do that stuff but you know how much money have we spent on it and and should be
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there's a lot of this that bothers me now because america is in shambles and and our infrastructure
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1:08:16 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] and and we are we have accepted all of the the reality that that they've
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1:08:25 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]akes going forward and if we can't free our children
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from this they're going to grow up with an inordinate amount of fear and uncertainty
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well it seems to me jj they've divided us by and the modus operandi seems to be dividing
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as much as possible creating as much confusion as possible and that depends on people being very
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sure of their position so how we can help people is to say it's very healthy and very good to say
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i don't know and we don't know and but no human beings have to say oh yeah we do know no we don't
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know we cannot avoid death that tells me nobody can avoid death as far as i can see
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and that is true um so that means that we have a limited understanding of the world in which we
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1:09:21 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] like the cat just like the dog we're good i mean think
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1:09:27 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] for an anecdote the guy that they one of the guys that they gave the
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uh small rnase micro rnase or something like that small regulatory rnase in c elegans the worm that
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has a known number of cells and so you i it's very easy for me to imagine that we have been very
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um inaccurate in our division of where um certain higher properties of life have emerged and and
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1:10:06 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]ories like you know there's a whole book on prions behind me
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1:10:12 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] and so the idea that people eat brains on some on some island
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and they get these these misfolded proteins has been all the all the molecular data that supposedly
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1:10:26 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] and so it's just a model of and then supposedly what happens in
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humans is a homologous molecular mechanism and so much of our genetic understanding and our viral
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1:10:40 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]ually the assumption that what we know about bacteria and bacteriophages has a
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1:10:53 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]es that were proven in bacteriophages are just assumed to to work for
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1:10:59 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]e promote uh to study jj do you know anything about a concept
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known as singularity which is a a very small infinitely dense uh uh entity as far as i can
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1:11:16 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]and and everything the one that they're talking about now is the singularity between
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technology and biology but i think you're just talking about like a black hole center or something
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and i'm talking about the the singularity which was the start of everything and um and then you
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got the big bang and then it it's apparent and then everything was expanding and it's still
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expanding apparently so um yeah and somewhere in there i'm like hit a mud puddle on a rock that
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about a billion years and that's exactly amazing isn't it so um all right let's go to questions
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thank you charles yes very good well done i was wondering a bit there dave raznick we've got lots
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of hands up lots of lots of uh conversation to be had so dave over to you oh dave's gonna ask you
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1:12:07 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction] thing i'm gonna say is congratulations man that is very
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1:12:13 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ing and entertaining uh you did you did a great job first can y'all hear me it looks
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like uh the screen froze up there yeah we can all hear you david okay good all right um yeah jay i
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actually came uh what late 90s i came pretty much the same conclusion that you did uh recently i
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1:12:36 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]arted working on cancer and i'm not going to go into all those
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details i'm writing a book and it's got a lot of stuff in it about that but um and one of the just
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1:12:49 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ing things i want to share with everybody once i realized the unimportance
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of individual genes and the dna and all that much less important in the realm that people think it
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is um it uh some of the specifics that i've i'm not a genetics guy i'm a protein guy basically
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1:13:12 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]uff and uh when i was looking at the human genome and the other genome
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1:13:18 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]s i was following it and it turns out that humans and mice and not only humans and mice but
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1:13:24 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] virtually identically the same number of genes something
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1:13:30 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] below the 20,[privacy contact redaction] and 99 percent of them are
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1:13:36 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]ionally equivalent all right so uh so how how do those same genes know to make a mouse or
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1:13:45 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]e or a turtle or something like that uh that's just a facetious
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1:13:52 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]ion but i'm putting this out i'm using it as an analogy the genes and the genome
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1:13:59 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ionary a biological dictionary uh it just so happens uh when i last i looked
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1:14:14 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] [privacy contact redaction] the same 20,000 genes so uh basically what's going
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on is that there's a total complete mystery this is totally totally complete uh if if i
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wasn't a scientist uh but i could easily sympathize with people think there's something spiritual
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1:14:34 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ionary but we don't have a clue how that dick how the what turns
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1:14:41 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ionary into a human over here and over in a mouse over there
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1:14:49 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to share those analogies with people uh and i would love to talk
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with you jay uh privately about this because i thought you were going to get really really
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technical and talk about the genome project i thoroughly much much more appreciated your
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1:15:10 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction] that you took to to come where i am too i totally accept i feel like i'm a brother with
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you on on this whole thing so i'll shut up now it's not i said what i wanted to say
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good to hear from you david thank you nice david why not david say good nice initials you got here
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1:15:29 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction] haha all right john john look arch hey jj um i don't want to hog up a whole
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lot of time here but uh you know three or four things came to mind as i was listening to you
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1:15:45 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction] you know like here maybe your take on this whatever your opinion is um one of them is about
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dna in general you know i don't want to i can't quote you know anybody for this idea i think i
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maybe came to it myself but there's this idea that once you take or that the structure of dm dna
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1:16:07 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]retch it out to look at it or you know splice a piece or cut a piece out
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it ceases to be what it once was so you can't really experiment on it and i don't i don't really
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know if you agree with that but i'd be interested in knowing what you think of it um the other thing
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1:16:25 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction] an opinion on mendel because you know the reading that i've done on mendel is that
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you know he was pretty much an unreliable monk that did a whole bunch of um experiments on pea
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1:16:38 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction] us things like genes for traits and laws of inheritance and
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punnett squares all of which you know are just terribly unreliable um so you know i think darwin
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based a lot of his model on mendel and you know it's just this this continuum where you know what
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we're calling genetics now was you know previously uh rebranded from eugenics and from there we get
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bioethics i mean it's just a big downward you know a hill uh into the abyss right
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yeah i didn't know when you were when you wanted me to jump in there but um
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1:17:22 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction] trying to not load you i mean i think we just think all we we think very much similarly and and i
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think the the added danger is the the the perceived um role that these have for people that aren't
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1:17:37 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]icated biological i mean you know it's it's hard for me i let me let me
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1:17:44 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction] um it's very easy for me to see how the transgender issue and the arguing
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about whether sex is determined by chromosomes is a trap because of course sex is determined by
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1:18:00 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction] an extra one you get down syndrome but that doesn't mean that
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1:18:05 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]and us as a pattern integrity it's like an anecdotal story
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about like if you take the light bulbs out of one side of your car then only one side will be without
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light but that it doesn't explain how the whole car works or anything like that and so
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1:18:23 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]rongly that this is a trap that they're getting us to say that you know genes
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determine everything including sex as if they're smart and they understand biology and of course
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it's genes and that's a very dangerous trap and it only dawned on me in the last few weeks that
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1:18:42 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction] a i even bought something the other day
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1:18:49 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]ually cued me into thinking that it was a trap because
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there's even a thing on x now where they're they're selling hats and say xx and xy and it's a real big
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campaign to get you know real women in sports and keep the the weird men out but it's also a very
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1:19:08 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]e to think that this holds true for all traits then everything is just
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1:19:15 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]and everything and what we don't understand we just need more data and then
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1:19:19 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]and it and that's the day right um you know i get asked a lot of questions by a lot
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1:19:27 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]e who are caught up in this whole nanotech fear porn thing and uh i've never heard you give
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an opinion on it mine is that it's all crap i don't know where you fall on that but i think
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you know not to overly reduce it but consciousness doesn't reside in the brain i think most people
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will agree with that so nothing they you know put in you is going to really affect your you're going
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to turn anybody into a remote control toy or anything like that i just think it's a um you
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know it's an easy sci-fi concept to get caught up in and a lot of people are caught up in this and
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i can't talk them out of it most of them they're just insistent
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yeah yep all right john is john john thank you for that comment john
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yeah good good thinking good thoughts marv
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1:20:24 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] week in uh gabbar mate's uh the realm of hungry ghosts uh
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1:20:36 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] about a hundred thousand genes and the human cells
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1:20:47 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] about 30 000 and sorts and what's his name these uh the reason that we have fewer genes
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is the humans or the mammal species has developed this adaptability and we discard genes and add
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1:21:08 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] to our to to the new environment or the new conditions
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and this is fairly recent uh knowledge about the number of genes and this adaptability
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1:21:24 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] and this is why we've we've become so different in the last
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1:21:31 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]ed years you know we have a museum here in Salem Oregon
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where we can visit this and look at the artifacts of people who came here in the 1830s the
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1:21:44 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]e i mean if you were 5'5 in 1830 you were a big person a six-footer
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1:21:55 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] of in the 1830s their beds were tiny their shoes were tiny
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1:22:02 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] i wanted to ask you about this the number of genes in the human cell today
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1:22:08 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ability and the uh i want to see if you've read if you're familiar with this book
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1:22:17 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]icity and the power of mental force
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1:22:23 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] it's just this book is a treasure trove of uh
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of this information about geneticism so anyway i thought maybe you
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the main thing is the number of human genes today and the number of human genes in your mud puddle
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organisms um it's a lot to unpack there because again it we we kind of we get into a scenario
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very quick and i'm saying this in the most humble i'm not i'm not at all trying to disrespect so
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don't hear it that way even if it might sound like that at first pass um when we argue about
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viruses and virology and clones and and and what what they call a quasi species and all of this
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1:23:17 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]uff a lot of these arguments because they are taking place and the other day on my stream i
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use this analogy that there is that that the limited spectrum of debate that we're trapped in
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1:23:30 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]eel ball and inside of it these people that are keeping us there are
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riding around these motorcycles that make a lot of noise and the thing goes around like this and
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it seems like it's really exciting and there's a real debate going on but actually we're not
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1:23:44 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]art talking about whether there are 100 000 genes or 30 000 genes
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we're actually already inside of that ball riding a motorcycle thinking that we're going to go
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somewhere when we're just going to go around in circles and the audience is going to see us do it
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and there's going to be fire but we're not going to get anywhere and so i think like i was and
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still maybe am by discussing this you know those people were smaller well did they eat what we eat
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1:24:15 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] access to the food that we do did they have access to the the medicines that we do
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how many of them you know and and how is our height look now how does our fat content look now and how
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1:24:27 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]e are eating what toxins are in the present in our environment
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or for your kids that were not present for the people who came over on the mayflower and so
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there's lots of pluses and minuses i mean i don't know at this stage how much i was exposed to
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growth hormone or something like that and all the milk i drank when i was in wisconsin i mean i don't
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1:24:47 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]inking milk is something that made me six foot five and if i wasn't drinking milk my
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1:24:53 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction] only been five ten i don't know all i know for sure is that these people who
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work at the nih who descend from these geneticists physicists chemists that didn't know enough but
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knew what they wanted i really i don't i don't i don't have a good interpretation anymore but
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1:25:15 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]e being smaller in the past doesn't mean that that genes mean that mean
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everything i mean i think it's very possible that if you could go back and grab a bunch of babies
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from that time and bring them to now you would find them expressing phenotypes that were closer
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1:25:33 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]e around them that would be so you don't you don't accept this adaptability
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1:25:39 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ing genes the crocodile i think i think it's much more likely that what what
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1:25:48 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction] said there is a library with the vast majority of which
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might never be used depending on the environmental and developmental conditions that the animal is
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exposed to and so it may be that there's an adaptability but it's not an adaptability
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1:26:05 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] don't read some books sometimes and in other generations you read
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those books and that is a kind of flexibility that is not a part of the human genome project model
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it's not a part of this model where you look for genetic diseases and then apply that thinking to
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1:26:23 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]anding a healthy human that's a completely different way of thinking so what you're on to
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1:26:28 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ion that i think we need to go so don't i'm not arguing with you
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i'm just trying to see if i can show you yeah yeah no that's very good very good thank you
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yep thank you thank you mav elbert
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hey jay how you doing could be worse hey i got about uh three or four questions i'm going to
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1:26:51 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] and you know i'm a simple christian so i apologize in advance for
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1:26:58 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ions but i believe that god made the baby perfect so with that
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i was wondering if if you thought uh autism or cancer was uh hereditary
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um what is it an immortal gene do you think is really cancer and what is aliquoting and do you
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1:27:25 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]y and i asked you this this one question a long time ago on this zoom and
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you didn't laugh me out of the room but i i said um you know if there's like good cholesterol and
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1:27:39 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]erol is there such thing as a good virus and a and a bad virus and you reached out
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and you pulled out a big book and i would like to have that name again because you said it was very
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expensive but um i don't know if you remember that but uh anyways those were my questions jay i really
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appreciate your your brain power uh you're very sweet um i've knocked everything down here let
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me pull these books over here um the book that you're referring to i'll go backwards um is there's
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two of them um that i think are really cool and this literature always gets assembled in a weird
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way i don't know why there's uh i can go over here jay j used to have a book on a table near where you
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sit which was absolutely massive and a few people asked me what's that big book on jj's um oh it
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depends if it's if it's the one behind me i've got a great big catholic it was open it was open
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yeah it was open then it was a big great big catholic bible back there and then otherwise
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1:28:46 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]ice book that's almost as big as that that catholic bible is
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from like 1890 um so underneath here is that the visible one can you see that camera yeah
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so this book is uh edited by gunther wazani and it's called bio communication and natural genome
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1:29:04 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ually viruses and and and endogenous viruses in different systems
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and then this one um viruses essential agents of life is a huge compilation of studies and essays
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1:29:18 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]e are talking about how um viruses may even influence the epigenetic expression of
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genes and regulation of genes especially in i mean the the easiest examples are in the phytoplankton
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1:29:31 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]es from fungi and examples from this is a book i have not
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1:29:36 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction] bought on a whim because i thought i had to have it and
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1:29:42 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]n't penetrated it at all so don't don't let me represent that as having done the reading
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um you asked me the other guy asked me about nanotech so if you don't mind me just saying one
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1:29:53 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]s about that before i uh go on albert um optogenetics is a thing that a lot of people
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are talking about lately and there's usually a picture with a blue a blue laser going in by
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an optic fiber into the head of a mouse and then they're suggesting that they are they are putting
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this in your brain and they're going to control our mind with optogenetics so let's understand
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1:30:14 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]and why this is complete bullshit so optogenetics as they exist
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in neuroscience right now in any form as far as i know there might be something in darpa that
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somebody will tell you this again but i don't believe that um is an adenovirus based transformation
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1:30:33 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]s which is actually a blue light gated sodium channel
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how's that for a long list of words that i just pulled out of my head um essentially what it is
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1:30:49 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] wanted a non-invasive way to control neuronal behavior
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neurons are known to spike they send signals based on this very quick snap of of ion channels of
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sodium in and potassium out or maybe it's the other i think it's that way it's been a little
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while since i taught this but sodium comes in then potassium goes out and so you see this wave and
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it was originally described in the large axon of a squid but all the neurons in our brain are are
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sending binary signals where they snap and then they send an electrical signal along their axon
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and at the end of the axon there's a release of neurotransmitter onto the receiving neuron
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and if that neuron gets enough neurotransmitter then it will be depolarized and snap and send a
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signal down its axons to the next neurons and that's how the brain works it's neurons going
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through this depolarization and promoting it like gene on gene off you know blue yeah so so
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optogenetics is a a transformation keep in mind i've been trying to teach that for the last five
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times i've been here an adenovirus with a dna in it encoding that that algal protein that that
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sodium channel that opens when you shine blue light on it so they take that gene and they put
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it in an adenovirus using traditional pharmaceutical manufacturing methods
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and then they take that adenovirus and they sell it to me and i squirted into the mouse of my
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and the brain of my mouse and all the neurons that are exposed to that and that that get that dna in
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1:32:24 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]art to express this protein and this protein will insert itself into the membrane and
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1:32:29 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]ain it and we can show you that it inserts itself into the membrane and when you shine blue
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light on the neuron by a hole in the head you can make the neurons go bang bang bang bang bang bang
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or if you shine a little less blue light you can get them to go bang bang bang he shoot a little
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less blue light you can get a little bang and so then you can do a really bright pulse and you can
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get everybody to go at once and that's it that's what optogenetics is and so we're able to drive
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that into different neurons based on what genes they might express we might be able to put it in
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1:33:05 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]s depending on where we squirted the adenovirus you're trying to conflate that
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1:33:11 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] we and that's absolutely ridiculous yes that's right but you'll
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1:33:16 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]s about how optogenetics were in the shot and we're all but dead and we're
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1:33:22 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] remote control and that's just not at all what's going on so then you asked about immortal
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genes there's just two anecdotal stories i'd like to bring up here most of the the what are called
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1:33:35 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ill need to be renewed from previous passages so what's the best way to say
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1:33:44 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ants and keeping the seeds and you didn't keep the seeds rather but
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1:33:53 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] grew tomatoes and then you you tried to key out and that's not a good analogy hold on a
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second the point is is that when you grow cells in a laboratory i guess you probably understand
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this from the the ridiculous theater of the pandemic when you grow cells in a laboratory
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you grow them in a dish and at some point they grow so many that they there's no room for them
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anymore and so what they do is they passage the cells they disconnect them from the agar in a fluid
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and then they dilute them into two dishes or four dishes and then they let them grow until they cover
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1:34:26 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]it them again and then they use these immortal cells to study stuff
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they make put some virus on them or whatever the hell they do with them anyway the point is is that
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that's not an infinite process i've been in those laboratories before i've done a lot of biophysics
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experiments on potassium channels in cell lines that were immortal but inevitably those cell lines
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start to grow shitty or they don't really grow anymore they start to die and then you got to go
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back to the freezer that's the reality and i don't think there are any examples in real laboratories
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where it's just the the stuff from yesterday being recycled and split and recycled and split
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1:35:10 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]it and they never go back to a commercial source or they never go back to a
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renewed source so they never go back to a previous passage i'm almost positive that's true but i'd be
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happy to be told i'm wrong the other anecdotal story that you should know and you might not know
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depending on how ubiquitous it is in europe because i don't know how ubiquitous it is in america
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ron johnson repeat that i did for my own platform where i did basically the same talk that i gave to
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1:35:47 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] week but i did it slower with a little more detail and specifically aimed at ron johnson
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1:35:53 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] used cell lines in pharmaceuticals and biotech and
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1:36:03 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] and fibroblasts are generated exclusively from the never-ending
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1:36:12 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]y of foreskin that comes from american hospitals has remnant material now at first you
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might think oh that's all right you know they it's religious i guess or something like that but it's
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not because all through the 70s in america in order to supply this material parents were told
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1:36:34 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ates that it was a hygiene thing yeah and so it's a hygiene
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1:36:41 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] the a small portion of it is removed like in a in a religious ceremony but all
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of it is removed and so being a kid growing up in wisconsin and showering with everybody in elementary
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school for whatever reason i don't know why that's the way it was at my school i know for a fact that
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a large majority of the the young males that i grew up with are fully they have nothing and this
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is a biology discussion so i'm not trying to get graphic here i'm trying to describe to you how
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the flip side of this is is that i had a guy who i went to um did my graduate study with in the
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netherlands who married a turkish woman and in so doing he actually got himself circumcised by an
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imam and kind of you know on it for all practical purposes converted to islam so that he could marry
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this turkish woman and i assure you that whatever was removed didn't go to a medical remnant sale
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and get derived into cell culture material because there is a pipeline of this coming from american
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hospitals and it has been for a long time so are there immortal genes honestly i don't know because
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1:37:57 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] of the cell culture material that's used in america is not immortal even if
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they tell you it is there's you should question this this notion and if i'm proven wrong that only
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1:38:10 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] learned it better but i i would be willing to bet it's not aliquoting
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1:38:16 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]e like uh sugar and then you decide that you're going to take a really
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a big amount of sugar and you're going to put it into little teaspoon size samples so that you can
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conveniently get a teaspoon whenever you want to and so aliquoting is something that they say they
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1:38:30 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] this dish full of a virus and then they make it into a lot of small samples
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and send it all around the world any any kind of thing like that would be aliquoting it's not a
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1:38:40 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] um and then good virus versus bad virus i guess that was the question about the
893
1:38:45 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] i hope that was good that was that what she had yeah that was fine
894
1:38:51 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] i'd like to interject something since you're talking about immortal
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cells i know a lot about them would that be all right that would be great thank you yes please
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clear this up okay um the immortal cell lines uh are all all of them are aneuploid meaning they
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have unbalanced chromosomes not all not all of the aneuploid cells live forever but all
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immortal cell lines like the healer cell line that was the very first one all right they're
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immortal uh the not i mean the immortal ones are aneuploid the diploid ones the euploid ones will
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1:39:26 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] this hay flake limit they'll divide maybe 50 50 to 70 fold and then they'll slow down
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1:39:32 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]op dividing they'll fall apart and everything so that's all i wanted to say the immortal cell
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1:39:37 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]oid i see well thank you for that thank you dave thanks elbert good job las
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1:39:51 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] to be what david what did you say what was that word
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1:39:56 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]oid euploid means balanced you get one complete set of
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1:40:04 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]ete set of chromosomes from the father for a balanced set
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1:40:09 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]oid would be like down syndrome where they got three
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comp three chromosome uh 21s that's down syndrome all right so that's an unbalanced set of chromosomes
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1:40:25 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]oid it's not euploid which means it's not balanced did i answer that
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for you yeah so what is the significance of that then well you know i'm a cancer researcher
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and i know a lot about this because cancer cells always are aneuploid there's no such thing as a
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1:40:46 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]oid cancer cell doesn't exist in other words all cancer cells have unbalanced chromosomes
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and it's like shuffling a deck of cards whereas normal human cells always have the exact same
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composition of 23 and 23 23 from the mother [privacy contact redaction] a balanced
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set and there's no two cancer cells that have the exact same complement of chromosomes all of them
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are different they're like snowflakes you know them when you see them but you never see the same one
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twice yeah so if said so if these things are aneuploid which you ended up saying what does
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what does that mean what does that mean that they're disorganized or um they're unbalanced
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they're unbalanced you and what's the significance of that that's what i'm trying to
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well usually if you're talking about higher organisms like mammals like like we are those
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cells typically die if they get unbalanced they might live a little while but they're
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1:41:50 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]oid cells are damaged none of them are super cells and so why would
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they use damaged cells david ah but why would they use the aneuploid cells are very unstable
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whenever they divide they rearrange their chromosomes and at some point they evolve
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to the point where they live in cell culture for example like the healer cells the healer cells
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1:42:12 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] discovered in cell culture and and they can just grow forever in the laboratory
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and cancer cells and they can evolve normal cells do not evolve in cell culture aneuploid
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1:42:25 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ug resistant uh you know most of them will die
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1:42:31 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ug resistant that's where drug resistance comes
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from in cancers it comes from a certain population of these aneuploid cancer cells
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survive chemotherapy radiation whatever and then they come back later when you stop it that's where
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it comes from so david why would they use aneuploid cells in your opinion
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because you can get them commercially and they get them it's the euploid cells that are very very
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difficult to come by i mean i'm taking the other way around the euploid cells uh can only grow a
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limited amount of time in the cell culture where aneuploid cells you can grow them forever basically
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all the research they're doing then is arguably invalid because yes yes that's what i was trying
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to get out of you david that's exactly what i was trying to get out of you so [privacy contact redaction] 99 percent
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of the published data using uh uh cell lines they're aneuploid cell lines and they have
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nothing really basically nothing to do with reality so it's fraud then well no fraud implies
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that you consciously are trying to mislead well maybe they are doing doing this stuff now we're
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going on a little bit too long on this i mean we're taking away from from from what i know david
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i'm just trying to uh so in the public's mind i'm just trying to get them to think about it you know
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so all the scientific work on cells is done with these aberrant cells for lack of a better word and
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so maybe all the conclusions that they get from these experiments which are funded by nih i suppose
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and uh they're all invalid and of no interest irrelevant irrelevant i tell you what exactly
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why don't you guys invite me and i'll give a whole little talk about this be happy to do it
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oh yes can you remember what the topic is uh and you play the i've been yeah you'll have to you'll
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have to remind me uh what okay so david if you email me that will remind me okay
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okay thanks that's great so sorry everybody no it's okay otherwise we lost the we wouldn't
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1:44:44 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]oid meant no nobody would have been i thought it was just me
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okay thank you charles
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oh charles is gone so lars you're you're it's your go as far as i can see hello lars good to see you
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all right good to see you your speech at g edward griffin's red pill expo was fantastic
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1:45:06 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] only uh accelerated from there it's fascinating to follow you i thought i would
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1:45:14 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]ion about uh sorry lars whose speech was that i'm so sorry
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1:45:18 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] a speech in south dakota that was very very good yeah and and he has improved
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every time since then so yeah now i i thought i would ask questions about the inability of
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1:45:32 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]icate and pandemic but this is not the topic of the day so i will ask you another
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1:45:38 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]ion uh are you familiar with professor freeman dyson the professor of science and
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are you familiar with professor freeman dyson's criticism of the theory of evolution where he
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refers to a japanese um evolution and biology is called mutu kimura who talks about uh not
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1:46:02 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]ift as being the engine of evolutionary change
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have you seen that i'll i'll put one please put a link in the chat i am not familiar with it
963
1:46:16 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction] it's actually very very interesting i don't understand it but
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1:46:21 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]and it so uh i'll just put it in the in the chat i got it that that's a popular
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article but if you follow uh professor kimura you will you you will read some very interesting
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1:46:34 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]ually very good oh this is wonderful thank you oh no he's a colleague of robert
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oppenheimer oh no it's exactly the same group of men it's fantastic well done okay this is going
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to be a good piece of the puzzle this is awesome so have you got a question for jj or yeah well i
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would like to talk about the i i'd like to find the scientific um proof or the suggestions why
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1:47:07 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]icate to become pandemic i i just want the scientific papers but i can call you
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tomorrow well let me let me flip it around for you and make sure that the the link that i put in the
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chat with the youtube video when you're you when you're bored watch that youtube video it's a
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really nice guy he's very popular dude adam rutherford um and the first 25 minutes you can
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1:47:32 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]en to it even at double speed um and really uh when you get to the point where he's explaining
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what dna is he's going to show you a cartoon of dna replication and he's going to state very clearly
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that once they discovered the chemical composition and structure of dna and have now demonstrated
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how it is copied it is this incredibly high fidelity process with a predictable level of error
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that has gotten us from the mud puddle billions of years later to us and that is reliant on the
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1:48:15 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]ure and the the consequences of the double stranded existence of it meaning it
980
1:48:22 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]randed rna by definition lacks that entirely and so the whole
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foundation of the primacy of genes and dna and crick and watson and all this stuff is based on
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1:48:39 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]randed nature of that molecule and by definition single
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1:48:46 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]rand rna viruses lack this and the only protein that they argue
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circumvents this huge shortcoming is a protein that only their drug remdesivir interacts with
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it's not possible it's absolutely not possible right but if you look at the consequences of
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dna and how much effort has been in and put into making sure people understand how
987
1:49:15 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]randed nature is and all the wonderful consequences of it including that
988
1:49:20 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] no free will rna doesn't have that so i that's the main argument for me but i can help
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with more more specific things maybe those those papers for example if i call the leading professor
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1:49:33 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]ockholm in microbiology and suggest what you just said to us will he agree
991
1:49:43 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]and or will he i would be happy if you would get me a zoom meeting with him and you
992
1:49:49 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] i would love to do that yeah i mean really yeah that would be great
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we need you could come and speak to us get jj the professor from karolinska and you you can be the
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moderator and we need to crack through this now yeah we really do need to crash through this yeah
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1:50:06 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] need to break through in in in reality with your a lot
996
1:50:13 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] the answers there's a lot of biologists out there that would come to our rescue
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immediately and say more or less that i didn't say it as clever as that but that's definitely
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what i think and and that would be wonderful right if these kinds of people would carry that
999
1:50:27 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] for us we'd really have a we'd really have something so large can you set up a
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discussion like that and and moderate it or i'll see if he'll see if he's interested
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yeah he will be it could be that they know the truth and are scared that could be oh yes well
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ask him nicely then lash go and see him i tried to be nice thank you jj i think before lunch tomorrow
1003
1:50:59 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction] jennet
1004
1:51:04 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]e of comments and a question so um one comment goes back to the
1005
1:51:12 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to mention that there's a uk doctor i think he's
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a gp called james lefano he wrote a book entitled why us in [privacy contact redaction]ains that the
1007
1:51:26 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction] evolution theory is only unproven and he gives examples where there are no
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intermediate forms that confer survival advantage so for example there is no intermediate stage
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1:51:40 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]ipedal and bipedal that confers a survival advantage so that breaks the link
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really between animals and humans right um the question can you say the last name again james
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james land who lefano l e l e capital f a n u james lefano and he talks about there being no
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1:52:08 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]ages in the development of the eye which confers a survival advantage as well
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and it's very funny because yes there's another guy who made that argument and actually when i was
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1:52:19 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction] lecture at de paul university i can still remember his
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name is beck i can't remember his first name but he was the dean of the biology department
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and he was telling us about evolution and i said i just want i'm not asking this i even framed it
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1:52:37 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]ly i said i'm not asking this as a gotcha moment i'm asking you to help me have a good
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answer for this but what about the lack of intermediate like usefulness of the eye and
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how many times vision has evolved and he stuttered and stammered and it was one of the most like oh
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darn i didn't mean to hurt you like i really thought it was i was being the right kind of
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smart kid you know like hey i i get this question a lot from people and i really want to be able to
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answer it and he couldn't give it a very good he was not prepared for that it was really funny so
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i'm i'm happy that you mentioned i haven't heard the book but i'll i'll get it yeah um my question
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is if there aren't enough genes to explain the entire construction of the human body in other
1025
1:53:24 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]ually put together what is junk dna is it still a concept and is
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1:53:31 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]ery yeah i mean i absolutely think that's probably the case the
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other thing to consider is the idea that that um the code could be somehow uh unimaginably
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layered to us uh sorry layered but invisible to us so um you know not that dissimilar to how people
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say that you know if you read a book and you only circle the certain number of letters then you can
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see another message or if you if you uh use the if you add up all the numbers across the line and
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did this then you could find another message um it is not entirely ridiculous and i don't i don't
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necessarily disbelieve the idea that that within the the nucleus they were able to identify
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molecules of dna that seem to correspond to sequences that maybe can be related to proteins
1034
1:54:28 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction] exists and i'm not arguing that that that in some ways that's
1035
1:54:35 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]ing is that that is wholly insufficient for us to jump from that
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those limited observations in those limited chemical preparations in those limited you know
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hyper pure genetic signals or whatever system that we're looking in to use that to generalize
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that well it's just a matter of figuring out where all the other moving parts are and then
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basically free will will be eliminated and there's no need to talk about god or spirituality
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because we're just a bunch of spinning wheels and bubbling chemicals and that's the part um
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that i think i was trapped in a lot of my my colleagues are still trapped in because we all
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teachers were aware of this these shortcomings but instead were given just enough understanding
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so that their imagination would happily fill in all the blanks and that's what's very enticing
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about it what is junk dna then if there isn't well i think it's just a bad name for it you could if
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you if you had a chinese book and you only knew five characters and you told said that all the
1047
1:55:48 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]ers that wouldn't be a very adequate way to describe it right
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okay and i think that's the way to think about it just because it's repeated and so repeats to us
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seem to mean nothing or something like that doesn't mean that when it's folded on itself and read in a
1050
1:56:04 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] that it wouldn't reveal a third dimensional structure code or any other possibilities
1051
1:56:10 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]n't considered that go beyond this list of characters right yeah yeah i just the the
1052
1:56:16 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]eased that you mentioned the issue of circumcision
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because i was involved in researching to this quite a few years ago and these babies in america
1054
1:56:30 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]cumcised shortly after birth without anesthetic and even though they were very
1055
1:56:38 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ually when they grow up they actually have post-traumatic stress
1056
1:56:45 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] on this and these people who have been circumcised which is
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basically the equivalent of a sexual assault in a very undefended human being can lead to
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a severe psychological damage and there are some people within this anti-circumcision movement
1059
1:57:08 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ing that the psychological damage which is done to babies actually prepares
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males in america to serve in the military because they are sufficiently disengaged from their their
1061
1:57:21 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to say thank you for mentioning i would love it if you would
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send me an email or something i would love to talk to you more about it because it is a it is one of
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those things that i think um especially as you said in america there are lots of men who could
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1:57:39 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ances i mean you know when you when that happens on the
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other hand you know you don't know any different and so you're not aware number one of whatever
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1:57:52 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]s would be there but you're also not aware of the context
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and that's why i brought up that context of my friend in the netherlands because the ceremonial
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removal of of of some foreskin is very different to what they do to those babies where they remove
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it all these are there are a lot of kids that have scars from this because that that's what you you
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you're not just again i don't want to be too graphic but it's it's very they're two very
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different amounts of tissue that are removed and what parts are left a full circumcision of the
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foreskin removes [privacy contact redaction]e say oh that's ridiculous but it is actually
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true it's absolutely true i know for sure it's true simply because i grew up with kids of both
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conditions and so um it's burnt into my head i have years of of showering with these kids so i know
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um the difference definitely and there's a book there's a book by a chap called jim bigelow called
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1:58:54 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]cumcising where men who want to restore their foreskins can do so and it's brought a lot
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of relief to a lot of men so wow i've never heard of that before that's crazy um wow okay well again
1078
1:59:11 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] something that in in terms of especially america i think there's a huge
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1:59:16 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] because there's nothing other than malevolence that can be
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attributed to that especially when you realize that there was a whole you know industry of of
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1:59:25 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] it's just gotten better and better in america yeah and what
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1:59:30 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]ess um i'll put it in the chat right now thank you so jj um janet's a british
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1:59:37 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]or nice i'm very excited to meet you and yeah and likewise there you go i think whoops did i do
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that no i didn't what the hell just happened there and she helped with um um david kelly
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1:59:57 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ors for a son as well
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2:00:07 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ands
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oh tom are you next um thanks tom's next yep i yeah i can go um yeah thanks as usual part of this i
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think your teaching is so valuable and so i'm not directly addressing the um the it seems almost
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philosophical or metaphysical issue of free will and you know the watch that would just some sort
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of wind-up watch um but i'm a blind watchmaker oh i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm sorry i'm
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okay all right so so uh yeah a few things and i'm not really good at doing this but i want to just
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kind of shotgun through here so uh and maybe if you want if you'd allow me to do a few things
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2:00:53 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] answer uh endos uh cytosis that was introduced recently to
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2:01:01 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] seemed like a good term because we need to like tell stories to people that
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um you know that are uninformed and it and i think that's part of trans transfection
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and you know and maybe you could hit on that the other one is um i heard now some of this is coming
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2:01:22 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]ors for covid ethics meeting the the process of self-replicating dna uh the japanese
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2:01:32 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] someone in that meeting describing that as a process that only replicates
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2:01:38 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]icate any proteins i don't know if you so that's something to comment on
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oh and then uh michael palmer speculated about the formation of the casts in the um you know the long
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stringy material that they pull out of carotid arteries and so forth and he was simply speculating
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that it's a process of the that's triggered by the irritation of the endothelial cells and um
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and this there was a woman in that was doing the presentation and her name is she's a professor
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uh anna s ulreich uh i believe martina who's here also watched this and she she agreed that that
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might be the case that and and this was in the context of discussing um i don't know if i
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mentioned the name but anna um mahal sia who believes that there's um blinky lights and
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nanobots and emf and intra body communication between the nanopods and oh wow yeah okay that's
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2:02:52 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] oh yeah go ahead look back and say that professor uh anna
1109
2:02:59 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction] uh this is just crystallization and it's well documented
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2:03:07 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction] one yeah why don't you comment i have maybe two more and that's it
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2:03:12 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction] for when two membranes merge and so it oftentimes
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refers to when a smaller vesicles taken up by a cell in in the use of a lipid nanoparticle
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2:03:25 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]ion you're going to have what is endocytosis of the of the lipid nanoparticle so
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also i think you could describe the uptake of uh a adenovirus particle as endocytosis although
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2:03:39 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]e who would argue with that so i don't i don't think that it's a very specific
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term i think it's pretty can be broadly applied um self-replicating rna is on dna sorry it i but
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2:03:53 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]ually what they're doing in japan i don't think it's oh um okay all right
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and so the self-replicating rna is actually as far as we can you know as we can discern
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they are using a viral rna dependent rna polymerase and i can't remember off the top of my head what
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one it is but i know that it's in the paper you can see they did just take it from uh some some
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pathogen that has an rna dependent rna polymerase and then they're putting that in uh the the same
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2:04:26 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction] as the as the antigen rna and then their argument is is that they would have to give
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you less lipid nanoparticle and less chemically altered mrna because this chemically m or
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2:04:41 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]icate itself now that's an interesting claim and it's an
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2:04:47 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]ing differentiation between the two mechanisms because remember the reason why we
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had to make it m1 pseudo uredine was to prevent the immune system from reacting to it and the
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2:05:00 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]em ignores it but if you take a mrna and it's self-replicating then by definition
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it's going to self replicate itself not in the presence of the chemical reaction that would
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alter it into the m1 pseudo uredine rna which would mean that then you're making a non-protected
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or non-chemically altered rna which won't go through and see that here's the problem that that
1131
2:05:30 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction] see when i think about it that if they tell you that the first one worked or x y and z
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then this one won't work for that reason because it can't be chemically altered because it will
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be made in your body we're using your own your own nucleotides which are not going to be chemically
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altered whereas the one that they put in the original shot or whatever supposedly all of the
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uracils were chemically altered so the self-replicating mrna presents a whole
1136
2:06:01 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ually were in the original version of this that robert
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malone said all those years ago didn't really work out for him because the immune response was
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2:06:11 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]rong so the self-replicating rna thing is quite frustrating to me because again
1139
2:06:17 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]e got on the internet saying that oh they're releasing this and now there's going to be a new
1140
2:06:21 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ay away from those people and i think it's all it's
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probably it's probably a gross over exaggeration of even the potential best case scenario of joining
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an rna-dependent rna polymerase to another transcript and then thinking that that was
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going to somehow work out um if anything to me quite honestly i would say tom that this
1144
2:06:47 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] seems to edify the idea that they have known that there are self-replicating rna signals
1145
2:06:56 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]rum of coverage in our families or in our cons specific groups or in
1146
2:07:02 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] in respiratory disease and other you know maybe
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what appear to be contagions but the fidelity and endurance and ability for these things and signals
1148
2:07:16 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]ain themselves over thousands or millions or billions of people is ridiculous and so um
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we're at a stage now where they they have always been trying to play with this system
1150
2:07:28 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]em they've told us stories like aids they've told us stories like
1151
2:07:33 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]ome they've told us stories like like epstein bar virus and they've told us
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2:07:39 --> 2:07:46
stories like coronavirus the pandemic all to disguise this you know almost endless field of
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2:07:46 --> 2:07:53
of of packet genetic communication that they know has to do with with health and evolution and
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disease and and and sickness and and cons specific signaling they probably even know it has to do
1155
2:08:00 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ed to your mate and enjoy kissing her so for me the the the issue is
1156
2:08:07 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ication that they have already developed these high fidelity molecular
1157
2:08:14 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]e and so the more they get people riled up about a
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self-replicating rna that's going to spread from japan if we let airplanes fly the more that people
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buy into this idea that these molecular tools work in this high fidelity way and so i i have to
1160
2:08:32 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction] exclusively exaggeration and that's why um you know the the details of it
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and the discussion of it is not really framed in what i feel like is any different than gain
1162
2:08:45 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ion viruses so michael palmer saying it's an irritation of the endothelium
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i don't think there's anything wrong with that again because we don't know really what these
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lipid nanoparticles are really going to do especially after their ph changes and they
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become much more toxic and it's very likely that that this is a possibility but again i don't i
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don't think there's any reason to speculate too much about it simply because what they've told us
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that it's covid or that it's the spike protein or or whatever it can't be the case um relative
1168
2:09:18 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction] of transfecting the epi endothelium and and transfecting the
1169
2:09:25 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction] all kinds of terrible consequences and maybe one of them is a a
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activation of the clotting mechanism remember that in case you have forgotten um the transfection
1171
2:09:38 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]ed in all of the papers previous to the pandemic one of the the
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the overarching themes was that where they went was then what where they meant them to go so when
1173
2:09:53 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction] came out and they started using them they realized that almost all of them
1174
2:09:57 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] thing they said was hey these are liver targeting lipid nanoparticles
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even though it had nothing to do with targeting the liver it's just where they mostly went and
1176
2:10:07 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] that they went that they said that they could be useful for was platelets
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2:10:13 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]atelets for some reason and many of them do and so that could also be
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a cell type that's irritated here and of course platelets being irritated would
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would very quickly get you to the clotting mechanism so um i think sukrit bhakti would
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be better to talk about that than me and then the nanobot light lady drove me bananas in the same
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way that um a guy by the name of kevin mccairn who also put a bunch of of of stuff under a light
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2:10:42 --> 2:10:49
microscope and then said he found or didn't find things um the first and foremost thing to remember
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2:10:49 --> 2:10:54
about light microscopy is that if you don't know how they did it the chances of them seeing
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2:10:54 --> 2:10:59
something that is significant versus something that's random um it's almost always going to be
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2:10:59 --> 2:11:06
something random because light microscopy can make dust look interesting it can make dirt look
1186
2:11:06 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]ing it can make dirt look alive and it can make dirt look sparkly especially if the field of
1187
2:11:12 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] that things are coming in and out of the field of view
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and the light source is angled in such a way that things can move in and out of the light source
1189
2:11:20 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] things look like they're sparkling i was just absolutely livid when i heard that
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lady say on a chd video that this is blue light sparkling in this sample but she had a backlight
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2:11:33 --> 2:11:39
on it's like if there's blue light being generated here please turn off all the external illumination
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and show me it's blue light um and this is just the very beginning of it so for me um if they're
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not using anything but light microscopy and they haven't been using light microscopy for many many
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years um then it's most likely bullshit i'm sorry but it is uh and i think that lady was very much
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not looking at what she said she was looking at and i don't know anything about the the um
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the signals there's some people are purporting that there's some kind of code that comes out
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of these things i don't know what they call it anymore but i don't know mac address um mac address
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that's right so so two more things well maybe a couple statements and you can
1199
2:12:21 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] them if they're wrong so in in the meeting urnst um who's a german scientist he had
1200
2:12:27 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]roscopy on on the vials on the jab vials a couple years ago
1201
2:12:35 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]ed that some of the discovery of graphene may be an artifact of
1202
2:12:43 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]ually created the graphene in the process of of looking at the
1203
2:12:48 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]ake and then um the and so he says no graphene um and so so does the professor uh
1204
2:12:58 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] me on this my understanding of the nano lipid particles
1205
2:13:06 --> 2:13:14
is that each molecule in the um each molecule is on the order of 2000 atomic weight you know like
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on the periodic table atomic weight and that these molecules um have dipoles and they get
1207
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vibrated and then they self-assemble into the larger 50 to nanometer uh nano lipid particles
1208
2:13:31 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] it was in some cases i heard multiple strands of mrna
1209
2:13:39 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] one i don't know so there's that and then here's a thought experiment
1210
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let's say you did let's say it was [privacy contact redaction] that you get got from the
1211
2:13:52 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]ore would the background interactions in the population generate any positives i mean
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that's what i think i think that's definitely what would happen i don't obviously we can't go back
1213
2:14:07 --> 2:14:13
in time and do it um but yeah that's that would be my premise that that the that the pcr test
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wasn't and it could have been again i really think that you can't underestimate the malevolence here
1215
2:14:20 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]s that were fairly accurate for some known background
1216
2:14:25 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]s that were absolutely nonsense um but even the lateral flow the grocery
1217
2:14:32 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction] not the pcr yeah the lateral flow test too i mean how do how do we know um
1218
2:14:40 --> 2:14:49
how do how do we know that they're not testing for a a um an endogenous protein uh because again
1219
2:14:49 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]s you're trusting everything about it uh and so the the assumption
1220
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that everything here's another example so my friend lives in um in australia and he's he just
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2:15:06 --> 2:15:13
moved house and in moving house he found a whole box full of these lateral flow tests that were
1222
2:15:13 --> 2:15:20
being given out by the case to every family in australia so that students could test for
1223
2:15:20 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]s were manufactured in china all of them and he had
1224
2:15:27 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]ure and i couldn't believe it they were like six different ones
1225
2:15:32 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]s in china and the australian government was buying hundreds
1226
2:15:38 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]s that were being produced in china and so for me it becomes
1227
2:15:46 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] been gamed in such a way on a known background so that any
1228
2:15:55 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction]igation into the molecular fidelity would not reveal anything untoward and uh now they
1229
2:16:03 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction] with 17 targets that again um are part of a background that may
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2:16:10 --> 2:16:14
or may not be there and definitely doesn't need to correlate with symptomology for it to be
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something that all hospitals will buy and use as standard um i don't have a lot of answers anymore
1232
2:16:22 --> 2:16:28
other than i don't know um i just know that they're probably lying about this if it's if it's a high
1233
2:16:28 --> 2:16:34
fidelity yes or no answer um yeah i know that's not very satisfying but
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2:16:37 --> 2:16:44
thanks again yeah you happy with that tom yeah very good so uh well craig pardacuper had his
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hand up but i'm not even sure he's on the call now um yeah so um one of the things that was really
1236
2:16:54 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]en at school um jj was uh the discovery by watson and crick of
1237
2:17:02 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]ure of dna um and now in the context of what's happened in the
1238
2:17:10 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] five years i'm thinking hmm i wonder why that assumes such incredible you should really look as
1239
2:17:18 --> 2:17:24
if you chase down anything what you ought to do is chase down um the writings of watson in his later
1240
2:17:24 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] feels like he's trying to admit it like he regrets it um watson in particular
1241
2:17:31 --> 2:17:36
i've found i didn't i don't have anything available it's it's part it's in the different notebooks
1242
2:17:36 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]ion to you is jj what's the discovery or the uh the the science that they
1243
2:17:43 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]ure of the oxo ribonucleic acid dna um and
1244
2:17:54 --> 2:18:02
if there was uh if it was a psyop the whole thing about dna you know the discovery of this and um
1245
2:18:03 --> 2:18:08
what do you think their intention was in the future if or do you think that there were motives
1246
2:18:08 --> 2:18:13
for this why was it so important in our education no i think it's much more about the fact that
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at the time they didn't know what they were doing they didn't know how complex it would be and so at
1248
2:18:18 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]ate of mind that they were in it was very enticing for that to be the ultimate
1249
2:18:26 --> 2:18:32
answer and then to go with it and only 20 or 30 years later would somebody like watson realize
1250
2:18:32 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]ake and look at what we've done well yeah but why would he think that
1251
2:18:36 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]e watching why watson might think that you know this was a mistake and
1252
2:18:43 --> 2:18:51
that um this was going to be misused maybe was that his fear or or what yeah well i think it i
1253
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think what it did was that it unfortunately gives credence to the idea that that maybe we need to be
1254
2:18:59 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] that we need to be bred um and that it's worthwhile to do that um and and that
1255
2:19:06 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] because if that indeed that foundation isn't so simple then
1256
2:19:14 --> 2:19:19
then that argument doesn't hold water right i mean maybe there is a combination of genes that we
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2:19:19 --> 2:19:25
haven't reached yet and and we'll never reach if if we don't continue on the path we're on but instead
1258
2:19:25 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] human that we can come up with um so do you think that watson was trying to
1259
2:19:33 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]ablish the truth um i i think he was he was trying to slow that train down um i
1260
2:19:40 --> 2:19:47
don't think you know anybody could stop it at that point because it had so much pent up momentum
1261
2:19:47 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] they would find that piece so what so i still haven't quite understood
1262
2:19:54 --> 2:20:01
jj what you think watson was upset about what what exactly was he afraid of well this idea right that
1263
2:20:01 --> 2:20:11
that what what i think um schrodinger is also hinting at that that all they had to do was
1264
2:20:11 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]ification to think that life boils down to physics and chemistry and this was the
1265
2:20:19 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]ification that they needed and watson doesn't think it's sufficient to make that jump that now
1266
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we're just physics and chemistry and there's no free will that that's a very terrifying place to be
1267
2:20:30 --> 2:20:36
um especially in that time when that was putting really out in the spot about whether or not faith
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was real i mean now we're in a i grew up in a world where it was okay not to care about god and i was
1269
2:20:42 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction] because i was catholic like that and so watson was upset so watson was upset that his
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research with prick was going to lead to some people saying that life was just about chemistry
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and physics and nothing to do with god is that what you're saying i am saying that and i'm saying
1272
2:21:01 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]e in the catholic church who were waiting to say it that wanted to say it that
1273
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that essentially that that we had not reached the the the final divine form of humankind and that
1274
2:21:15 --> 2:21:20
that this was the revelation we need so why would people in the catholic church be saying that
1275
2:21:21 --> 2:21:25
well i don't know maybe they're not really catholics they're jesuits they're all jesuits
1276
2:21:25 --> 2:21:31
so i guess if you want to go down that's that path that's that's really one of the the things
1277
2:21:31 --> 2:21:37
to realize is that all the catholics that think this are jesuits um for better or for worse that
1278
2:21:37 --> 2:21:43
that's it this is the king jesuit this this day chardin guy he's written a lot of books one of
1279
2:21:43 --> 2:21:54
them is called the future of man go figure yeah so did watson ever give them reason for us to believe
1280
2:21:54 --> 2:22:00
that uh what they found where he didn't believe it himself or you know were they misrepresented
1281
2:22:00 --> 2:22:06
and they knew that they were misrepresented or yeah i i think so i mean that's that's what i gather
1282
2:22:06 --> 2:22:11
there's not very much to find because i don't think people want you to know how skeptical he was um
1283
2:22:12 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction] you know there could be a library of of proteins in a cell
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that has has no other information in it and that's why because we life forms share a lot of the
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proteins that a lot of the the the signals that we can detect there if we amplify it high enough are
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are shared that's not that's not crazy to me um but it still is only a snapshot of now and we have
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no snapshots that that that would allow us to justify the thinking that we came from mud puddle
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none so essentially um watson was worrying that uh human beings would uh without justification
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get more power and believe in their um in their importance more at the expense of god is that
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2:23:09 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]e could be governed that way you know i mean i i think that that for
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sure the the something happened over the course of of of the enlightenment and whatever where people
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2:23:27 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]ly the right way so that that that that we we made a lot of
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progress and that progress has been i think significantly hampered and stalled and maybe
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2:23:40 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]ed by by the the trends in biology in the last couple generations so so the reason
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they were emphasizing the importance of the uh work of watson and crick in the united kingdom
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when i was a child that was all about taking people away from uh god essentially yeah and uh
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2:24:04 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]e to believe that uh science is fantastic you know and that um i mean
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2:24:13 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction] to read or hear anything other than the joy that god is really
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hands off it's a process that god put in motion and since then has just been watching from the
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sidelines and so the moment we decide to take the wheel and drive the car we can that's the argument
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that this guy has been making since the 30s that then julian huxley published and then julian huxley
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went on to write this man and his future book like [privacy contact redaction]e like hillary
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kaprowski and herman moller and all the same ideas are in there it's all the same concept of
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2:24:57 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] biology that goes right down to the the individual molecules and so we just you know
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2:25:03 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]e and then aldous huxley comes along and writes brave new world which is his
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brother right that's julian's brother i mean it's correct and then he also writes a brave new world
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revisited about [privacy contact redaction] new world um so the question is did aldous
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huxley write that then in the 30s i think it was uh was it intended in his mind to be a warning
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2:25:31 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]aybook no i think it was a warning i honestly do i think that that
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that maybe we you know if if we rise to the challenge there's nothing wrong with that right
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then i think humanity rising to this challenge and throwing these chains off would also
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2:25:51 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] of our species so either way i think uh we better keep fighting
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yeah so anybody else who wants to ask any deep questions i am not very good at this but some
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i'm sure dave colum and lars joe hansen have questions they'd like to ask but
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i've been listening i've been listening um dave have you got any thoughts on this
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uh well it's interesting i can entertain anything so so it's all interesting to me um
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i've had several thoughts as we went along um a little bit of a tendency to throw away stuff
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rather than build upon it i think and so this idea that you know that that
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2:26:37 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction] dead wrong is not quite right in many instances where what it
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is is it's just too simple um i think a person jj might want to talk to is is oddly enough brett
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2:26:54 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction]ein because he he's made some utterances about his view of evolution how they've changed
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and they've not been clear enough to me to to to let me know what he's thinking but it could
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2:27:07 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction]uated equilibrium model that he's talking about or something like that but he hasn't
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said enough um and then um what else was i thinking i wasn't going to chime in i'll just go sit here
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2:27:21 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction]en um the junk dna the junk dna model makes total sense to me because i think when you
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need to if you think about how evolution works what you can't do is is mutate an essential protein
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2:27:35 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction] it be fatal but one of the things you can do is replicate a big chunk of
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2:27:42 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction] randomly and all of a sudden that gives you blank canvas to work on so evolutionarily if
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you can improve upon a protein by using uh by mutating a duplicate that's been created as what
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you might call junk dna and all of a sudden you get one that works better now you haven't
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enforced a fatality what you've done is you you've provided the organism with an even better route
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i'm listening to the evolution of the eye part i i heard some sort of how could the eye evolve well
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uh it's actually in my mind kind of simple in that um all you need is a
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a molecule in the cell in a unicellular organism even that responds to light and since light's
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energy and that's how information gets transferred that strikes me as a completely rational thing
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so you can imagine an organism for which there's a selective advantage to being able to detect
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light for whatever reason um maybe it it has some mechanism to float towards it right um
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2:28:49 --> 2:28:[privacy contact redaction]icate that molecule now all of a sudden you've got really the very beginnings
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2:28:56 --> 2:29:[privacy contact redaction]ereoscopic vision so you've got two molecules that respond to light but they
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one will get a brighter brighter response or are more frequent hit than the other one and so it
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tells the organism where the light's coming from and that becomes the beginning of of of of an eye
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basically you've just described the first the very first beginnings of rods and cones and things like
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that um i think the one the one super absolute and i mean this with the utmost respect um your
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imagination is quite limited um and the reason why i would i would argue it's missing one
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incredibly important variable and that is that if that model of evolution is true
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2:29:44 --> 2:29:[privacy contact redaction] happened thousands of times before one got through to the next generation
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because it didn't get stepped on or rained out or dried out or eaten and so this this thing of a
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2:29:59 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction] light is not the evolution of an eye and i think that that
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2:30:04 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction] not equivalent to what we're talking about which is trying to
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2:30:09 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction]cuitry and all of the fine tuning and all of the developmental process that
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goes into defining binocular vision all of these things can't be the process of an incremental
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improvement that randomly could become extinct like oh i got the best eye ever in humankind and
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then i got hit by a car or i couldn't find a girlfriend that would have to happen millions of
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2:30:34 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction]ain this as random mutation and selection and i think it's
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because you've accepted this well three gear your dad your your froze i don't know if it's my computer
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2:30:48 --> 2:30:[privacy contact redaction]ein and it's so it is you're all still let me find another
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room um oh no he missed yeah i know i i i heard i heard no i heard i heard basically a response
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when i was i was a genetics major which is now a [privacy contact redaction]n't
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used genetics since so it has not evolved very quickly itself i remember one time where i had
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2:31:19 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction]ure and the guy said he said that this idea of how did we evolve to this complex state he
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said said you think of the i'll say gazillions because i don't even begin to put an order of
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magnitude on it but but unbelievable numbers of generations and he said every single one of your
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2:31:37 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction] one and and so i i wonder for example like is the chemist the
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2:31:44 --> 2:31:[privacy contact redaction] that we have a single enantiomeric series in all of nature
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right so you you tend not to get the the enantiomerically related mirror image proteins
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and things like that and and i i've always gone on the basic assumption that it probably was
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was events happening in both mirror images and then it in one moment there was just one that
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really worked and survived and then it really took off and so i figured that amongst the gazillions
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2:32:19 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction] needed one that that that couldn't readily replicate before kind of the other
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one grabbed the the biological niche i think that i think what you're illustrating is is that that
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2:32:31 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction]art your interpretation of all the sacred biology outside of your window and in the forest
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around you on this rational on this rationing on this on this understanding of how things have
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2:32:46 --> 2:32:[privacy contact redaction]s be trapped in it it's not no i that's why no no that's why i
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2:32:53 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction]ing discussion um what i what i'm reluctant to do is throw it away rather than
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build upon it no and i think that's very important why i say that this no virus notion is really
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annoying because that would mean that there's no genetic packet communication no knowledge at this
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2:33:11 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction] and that would mean that all these books and all these observations
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are bullshit and i think we really need to retool and reinterpret the data that we have and maybe
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throw some data out but definitely i'm i'm with you on this right right and so i i happen to work
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2:33:27 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction]ry that turned out almost every paper ever published i showed someone was
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wrong but they were trying to get it right and and they were not they were not wrong in the sense
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that the whole thing had to be reversed they were wrong in the sense that they made assumptions
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2:33:43 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction] and when you looked at you say well i now see how they made
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2:33:48 --> 2:33:[privacy contact redaction]ually looks kind of silly in retrospect because you know scientists
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get in terrible echo chambers even physical scientists and so i'm totally conceding which
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2:33:59 --> 2:34:[privacy contact redaction]ayed with this whole discussion all the way and and if we evolve another million years
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i'm sure let's say we evolve in a direction that that somehow it represents intellectual
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improvement i'm not sure that's even remotely possible but if if we do we'll look back and say
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back in million years ago these guys could not have fathomed what we now understand they could
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not you know and so i think there's things
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how darn he shaped he's froze again i want to oh he could possibly understand right now because
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we don't i don't know um it's but but that's sort of my basic thoughts on the whole thing um
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2:34:51 --> 2:34:[privacy contact redaction] all through the well i
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again that in this group in particular i saw people throwing away things that um didn't have
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2:35:05 --> 2:35:[privacy contact redaction] the discussion right and and and and even cases where if you want to say
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like uh i'm totally riveted by this idea that that aids doesn't come from hiv right and peter
1397
2:35:19 --> 2:35:[privacy contact redaction]uff that that i think is quite possibly true what i also know
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though is that if you're getting in a discussion with someone who's not up to speed if you lead
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off with that kind of a punch it's over yeah right so you you kind of have to weight them
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into the shallow end of the pool and then say okay follow me with a little bit of let's just think
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about this a little bit and so i and that gets back to the don't throw it away build on and by
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the time you're done uh it might look like a renovation in which you say i can't detect the
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original house in this renovation right it could be one of those um that i have nothing deep to
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2:35:59 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction] that so i don't have any problems with the things you guys talked about
1405
2:36:03 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction]ance to look for nefarious things from the 1930s and i don't think
1406
2:36:11 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction]cumcision i i've never heard the circumcision story by the way this is
1407
2:36:17 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction]etely new to me um the the idea that you use foreskins for for to advantage doesn't negate
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2:36:28 --> 2:36:[privacy contact redaction]ually be biologically health-wise an improvement than not of a foreskin
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and and so you don't have to turn it into a oh those bastards they're clipping kid six off
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because they want the foreskin it can be that someone said hey we could use that so don't chuck
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it right that's useful um there are hygiene issues that are real and there are but but do you mean if
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2:36:55 --> 2:37:[privacy contact redaction] want to be real real clear about it i mean foreskin is this okay so the idea is is that
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if you want to want it to be clean you want the foreskin to be able to come over the glans penis
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2:37:08 --> 2:37:[privacy contact redaction]e's foreskin doesn't come over very easy and maybe doesn't come over and so the
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idea would be to cut that open a little wider so that you can roll that skin back and clean
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underneath it that's the whole point of a baby that would be the only argument to make what i'm
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telling you is is that these american babies are like this okay that was by the way your your
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long-sleeved shirt foreskin analog that was brilliant that no that was that was spectacular
1419
2:37:38 --> 2:37:[privacy contact redaction] i'm in i'm in the middle of digging into the transgender movement i'm in
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the middle of abigail schreyer's book oh wow exactly and it's it's horrifying it is horrifying
1421
2:37:49 --> 2:37:[privacy contact redaction]ex yeah yep and there's so many people that are cool
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2:37:57 --> 2:38:04
it's really crazy this this illusion that everybody agrees on it really sucks people into it's oh and
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and the whole the whole thing is designed to separate kids from their parents and kids from
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anyone who will defy them and it really is a i knew it was um i knew it was a a cultural contagion
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but i didn't understand i didn't understand the momentum and the the tools that were being used
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to do it and and so um so science does that too we all agree you know did you know that um
1427
2:38:35 --> 2:38:[privacy contact redaction]ed kingdom the new prime minister the deputy prime
1428
2:38:41 --> 2:38:[privacy contact redaction]ed kingdom i'm not quite sure whether it's uh evette cooper or um angela reyna
1429
2:38:48 --> 2:38:[privacy contact redaction] the other one is the home secretary so we've got three very prominent positions in the
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british and new british government and three those three the daily mail which is a well-known
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2:39:02 --> 2:39:11
newspaper in the uk um and they they've been aware for quite some time that all three of those people
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in prominent positions in the uk i think it's a conflict of interest in you know when you consider
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2:39:17 --> 2:39:[privacy contact redaction]en are being told uh taught what they are being taught apparently in british schools
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2:39:24 --> 2:39:[privacy contact redaction] transgender children
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yeah it's a badge of honor among certain old nut cases um but the really interesting thing for me
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is that the daily mail knew about has known about this for some time i don't know exactly how long
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but i know that it's true because someone very senior at the daily mail told me they haven't
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told the british public this so the british public are totally unaware i was totally unaware till i
1439
2:39:54 --> 2:40:[privacy contact redaction]ually told by the head of the daily mail not exactly the head but very near the top of the
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2:40:00 --> 2:40:08
daily mail well curiously elon musk got taken down that path a little bit by one of his kids and then
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realized what was happening and one thing's for sure is elon is not invisible
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you can't when he decides he wants to talk about something that you can't hide it and so uh yeah so
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in any event so that's a fascinating again and science those who are not in science don't
1444
2:40:30 --> 2:40:[privacy contact redaction]and the group think that kicks in even amongst people who are trying to get it right
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even i don't i don't think it has to be conspiracies and i think there are fields
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of science where the fraud is much more prevalent than others those happen to be the fields where
1447
2:40:46 --> 2:40:[privacy contact redaction]akes for committing the fraud are very high or it's easy like in biochem you can win a noble
1448
2:40:53 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction]uff if you if you are clever enough to do it but um um but but um the climate
1449
2:41:01 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction]acular and and it's it's [privacy contact redaction]ed
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spending who's gonna who's gonna open their mouth on that right every everyone wants a piece of that
1451
2:41:15 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction] gone down to the southern border friends of mine have gone down there said what's
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2:41:23 --> 2:41:31
clear is everybody's making money down there the whole thing there's money every single moving part
1453
2:41:31 --> 2:41:[privacy contact redaction]er is a for-profit machine wow and so yeah so that you dig into this stuff
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and it can it can make you very dark my advice would be don't get don't get too dark on dna
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it's still an important biomolecule it just it probably is i agree with that yes yeah yeah
1456
2:41:54 --> 2:42:[privacy contact redaction] to go i'm sorry yes so thank you i do too actually i do too
1457
2:42:00 --> 2:42:[privacy contact redaction] is uh oh you know each other do a little bit we're connected
1458
2:42:06 --> 2:42:14
yeah we we can reach each other when we want to how's that i think he's heard me yell at uh at uh
1459
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carrot fund and bush once about t cells a long time ago that's how we cross paths first
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i am so you know so you know he's a professor of chemistry than dave i do yep yeah very good
1461
2:42:24 --> 2:42:30
so my twitter my twitter presence is on healthy levels of presence that's that's uh
1462
2:42:32 --> 2:42:[privacy contact redaction] before you go i i would like to uh introduce you to the joke on the foreskin
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2:42:40 --> 2:42:48
oh okay okay which uh my mother bought her a magazine which had uh a nude
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2:42:48 --> 2:42:55
uh reynolds in it and she was disappointed because he'd had his leg up so she couldn't
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2:42:55 --> 2:42:59
see anything and it was in the centerfold and she was saying you've got playboy and
1466
2:42:59 --> 2:43:07
look at this this is rubbish and on the following page was an article about foreskin and the lady
1467
2:43:07 --> 2:43:[privacy contact redaction]or what do you do with the foreskins and he said we make handbags you give them a quick
1468
2:43:14 --> 2:43:[privacy contact redaction] a suitcase
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don't get me started i used to be the joke master i have 10 000 jokes um and they're all
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they're all tasteless i gotta go thanks for the time very good
