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So everybody, welcome to Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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In today's discussion, this community was ignited four years ago by Stephen Frost, a
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ethics, justice, freedom, and health in the face of global challenges.
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I'm Charles Covess, your moderator and Australasia's passion provocateur in my red jacket because
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red is the colour of passion.
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It's designed to remind you to be passionate and enthusiastic about what we're doing here.
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After 20 years as a lawyer, I shifted gears 32 years ago to do this work.
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injuries and medical failures.
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I'm also chief executive of an industrial hemp company, and I'm going to save Ireland
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from billions of dollars of penalties by expanding its industrial hemp activities, amongst many
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other countries.
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This group is a dynamic blend of voices, doctors, lawyers, homeopaths, journalists, scientists,
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filmmakers, professors, peacemakers, neurophysicists, and bold troublemakers like Gerry Waters,
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hailing from corners of the globe, united in pursuit of truth.
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Many of us once viewed vaccines as benign, now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers
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with pride, awakened to new realities.
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And Aaron Sirri was before the Senate this week with a magnificent six-minute testimony.
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I'll put the link into the chat, pointing out wonderful, wonderful facts for the Senate
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about the fraud that's been perpetrated on humanity with vaccines.
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And as he also proved in his deposing of Stanley Plotkin, the alleged godfather of vaccines,
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0:02:05 --> 0:02:[privacy contact redaction]en's vaccine has ever been properly tested for safety and efficacy.
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Introduce yourself in the chat, share where you're from, and let's connect.
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We're in the thick of a global struggle.
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We call it World War III with medical and scientific battles among 12 battlefronts.
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Another of the 12 battlefronts is the spiritual battlefront.
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to which it is a spiritual battle.
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Five and a half years into this fight with more to come, there's no time for weariness.
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Science we know is never done.
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It thrives on challenge and inquiry.
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Some here believe in viruses, others see them as fiction, and many are still exploring.
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All views fuel our dialogue.
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It's instructive to note there are comments in various recordings of the programs that
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and this whole gathering is an idiot because we even have people here who believe in viruses.
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So there you are.
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Find his link in the chat.
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We'll hear from our guest presenter today, Kirk Moore, followed by Q&A.
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Per tradition, Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first 15 minutes.
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And as we were talking about before, questioning Islam is now being said to be Islamophobia
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and anti-Islam and crap like that.
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So if we shut up, we're in big trouble.
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If something offends you, own it.
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We choose love over fear.
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Fear binds and sickens, liberates, heals and inspires.
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These twice weekly gatherings are far from mere talk.
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They've birthed real world actions and alliances.
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demand of medical truth now, crafted by John Rappaport.
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That's our mantra, medical truth now.
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And it's coming out in Aaron Sears' testimony, as I said, he was shining a light on the medical
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fraud that has been perpetrated.
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And in this group, we call for accountability of all politicians and experts who have imposed
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this fraud deliberately on humanity.
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So share solutions, products or resources in the chat.
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I put the link into the chat.
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And now we're thrilled to again welcome our guest presenter for the second time, Kirk
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Moore, Dr. Kirk Moore, who presented to us in June of last year.
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And let me give you a short intro to Kirk because I've got a long one.
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It's in the show.
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Charles, could you possibly read out that because Kirk supplied that to me.
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And as of this page.
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It's too long.
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It's too long, but it's a wonderful intro.
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I don't agree.
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OK, it's a it's written.
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So Kirk is a dedicated, respected 60 year old physician from Utah.
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And faced the unimaginable possibility of spending up to 35 years behind bars.
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His alleged crime honoring his sacred Hippocratic oath to do no harm.
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that they and their parents didn't trust or face restrictive masking mandates at school
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His care expanded to adults facing similarly impossible decisions, risking job loss, travel
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Kirk Moore is not a criminal.
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He's a devoted father raising his two children alone after tragically losing his ex-wife
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to suicide in 2019.
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He's a decorated US Navy flight surgeon who has tirelessly cared for patients throughout
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his career.
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Kirk has endured relentless persecution.
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mask mandates.
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So the US federal government's aggressive persecution of Kirk Moore exemplified a dangerous
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misuse of power and a level of governmental overreach that shook physicians and freedom
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loving Americans alike and those who come to these meetings.
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The prosecution sought to deny him and his co-defendants their right to present a necessity
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So despite, and we heard last June, 2024, you can look at the recording.
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committed to his values, his patients and the truth.
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And then after the trial began on July 7 this year, that was that's just today's now the
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20th in the UK, 21st.
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Kirk will tell us about it.
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decisions without coercion or prosecution.
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So we're delighted to have you, Kirk.
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Thank you, Stephen, for creating this group.
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wonderful, wonderful results that you've achieved and where to from here for all of us.
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Kirk, over to you.
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All right, well, Charles, thank you, Stephen.
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Thank you for having me on.
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Again, I know we've communicated a few times here over the last year since the last time I
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came on. Certainly is a much better feeling than it was a year ago.
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And thanks for having me.
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I'll briefly go into the story and then I'm open to questions.
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And if he has anything to add, he will either raise his hand or let me know.
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In 2020, I started treating people with Covid.
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Nobody else is treating them.
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I made a transition from closing down my office and within 36 hours, completely changing my mind as
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to what Covid really was.
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I tell this all the time. The number one flag to me was there is no treatment for anything.
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That's just not a medical tenant that any of us have ever grown up with, at least not in the
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time frame and in the generation that I, you know, when I became a physician, I graduated from
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school in 1993.
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raised the red flag for me.
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When the whole world went on lockdown and everybody was in lockstep and everybody did the
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same thing again, that was the kind of the second thing that really opened my eyes as to, you know,
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this the whole narrative and everything that was happening.
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needle in everybody's arm.
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But when the jabs came out, I was, you know, against them, but I didn't really worry about
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it. They weren't mandated.
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They weren't being forced upon anybody.
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They were, you know, something that was just out there for people that wanted and people that
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believed in it to go use them.
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You know, I'm fully into personal choice.
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If that's what you want to do, then great.
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But in the spring, early summer of 2021, when they started having lockdowns for kids going to
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school or not allowing kids to return to school, not allowing kids to enroll in colleges
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And everything else that to me was the next step.
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So I opened up a vaccine clinic through the Utah Health Department and started providing
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vaccines, sailing shots to my patients.
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I didn't advertise anything.
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I didn't look for people.
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Everybody who came to me had already made up their own minds.
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They already knew what it was.
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They sought me out to help them.
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It wasn't anything where I kept anybody who wanted to get the vaccines from getting them.
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from getting the vaccines, it was a total lie.
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And they tried to shoehorn me into a fraud statute saying that I kept people from getting it and
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person. We fought back tooth and nail.
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There were four of us initially, plus my business.
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In the end, it was just it ended up just being two of us because two people turned and
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I wasn't willing to say that I hadn't done it.
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So it really didn't hurt us at trial.
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helped us at trial.
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I wasn't willing to say that I had done anything wrong.
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it's medication or procedure, you know, a chip that's inserted in your skin, whatever,
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whatever it is, we were going to go down this slippery slope and never able to come back.
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And we had five days of trial.
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Brian, who was there as my attorney for my business, and then Kathy, my lead attorney
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that was, you know, that was representing me, had done a tremendous job at the trial.
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And I felt that I had done a great job at showing to the government that I didn't I
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didn't keep people from getting what it was that they wanted, that it was not a political
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So they were trying to prove that even though they the government had paid for it and it
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was delivered to me for free, that the product still belonged to the government while I was
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and it belonged to them until it was delivered to the patients and their arms.
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that they had in the documents that they were sending out to the to their what they call
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And so they were trying to show to the jury that this product still belonged to them.
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I thought we had presented a really good case to show that it actually didn't belong to
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them, that there were multiple turnovers in ownership and liability status to, you know,
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to to make that a false argument.
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That week, we had a small, you know, [privacy contact redaction]eps that Monday
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morning, you know, there to demonstrate to the people and to show solidarity with us,
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with Chris and I, who were the two remaining defendants.
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And we made I had a short presentation.
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I think Chris spoke for a little longer to the crowd that was there.
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I think that was shot down pretty well by the judge who said, don't people have a First
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Amendment right to gather and to, you know, to protest.
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And so I think that that got cut down at the knees pretty quickly, which was encouraging
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They called me a criminal.
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limelight and that that was the reason essentially that two of them had turned against us
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I had never intended to lie, never intended to do anything, never intended to stand behind
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proving what the you know what the prosecution was saying.
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everybody this, that I'm a smart guy, but I'm biased looking at the jury and looking at
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what the evidence was that was presented.
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So what am I missing?
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I was up till 1am, got up at 4, kind of just reviewing the whole week.
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were going to work, defensive strategy at this point.
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And then at 830 in the morning, I get a phone call from my attorney on a Saturday morning.
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And she tells me that the case has been dismissed.
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A few hours later, that was announced on X.
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emotional letdown on our not letdown in the sense that I was sad, but it was just a I was more
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tired on Sunday after the announcement than I was prior to that just because of the
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It was a tremendous feeling.
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I was then invited on Monday to go to Washington, D.C.
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Was flown out there with my fiancee and we actually met Marjorie Taylor Green, Senator Mike
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It was a very emotional meeting.
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I didn't feel that it was a political maneuver.
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There were no cameras there.
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Well, there was one camera. We all took pictures, but there no no news media.
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And then another hug and a handshake.
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And we left, got a great tour of the Department of Justice building.
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I then met a representative, Jim Jordan from Ohio, spoke to him for a few minutes.
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He was gracious enough to give me 15 or 20 minutes of his time.
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But, you know, the turnaround and from Friday of July 11th to Wednesday, July 9th was an
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unbelievable transition and a tremendous amount of elation and emotion that went into it.
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So I'm really good.
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Sorry. I'm just really thankful for everybody's support.
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I'm really good.
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Sorry. I'm just really thankful for everybody that's done this.
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We were talking a little bit before you went on air there, Charles, about, you know, we have to push
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We can't do this alone.
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You know, Ben, I'll probably butcher the phrase or butcher the quote.
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But Ben Franklin in [privacy contact redaction] that if we, one of us stands up, then we
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will certainly be chopped down or something to the effect of if we have to stand up, but one by
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one, we will get chopped down and we will certainly get chopped down if we don't do it
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together, something like that.
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And I'll probably find that here again.
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But it's a total reversal of fortune.
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And, you know, from going at [privacy contact redaction]ill looking at a
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potential 35 years in jail to [privacy contact redaction]etely dismissed was a I'll never
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forget that feeling.
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My mom was here.
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She held onto the phone because I couldn't hold it, talking to my attorney, and we literally
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I collapsed on the floor and then it was just, who do we tell?
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What do we do from here?
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It was kind of like a speechless moment.
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And where do we go?
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And that's the question that everybody asked me now.
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was a 44.2% increase in cancer rate that was published on the CDC website.
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shots or more.
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And I believe that was a Nicholas Hulscher and Peter McCullough article among other
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So we're witnessing a mass genocide.
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I was able to keep three to four thousand people from getting them.
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But we've had billions of people that have had at least one shot in the world.
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And then we need to figure out how to treat the people that have been poisoned by these
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medical countermeasures.
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I'll leave it at that.
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I know that it's only been a few minutes, but I'm open to questions and happy to talk
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about all of this.
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So I don't have a prepared necessarily statement.
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That's a magnificent presentation, Kirk, because I'm sure we could go for five hours
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in the conversation that that your [privacy contact redaction]ory is going to be a long one.
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I'm sure we could go for five hours in the conversation that that your [privacy contact redaction]ory
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it as a lawyer.
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The dirty tricks that lawyers will pull when they're representing government.
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It's extraordinary to me, the dirty tricks.
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It happens in the UK.
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There is no desire by the lawyers working for government to properly apply the law.
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And Kirk, one of the things that not only would I say we must stop the shots and we
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have to push back.
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And I would urge you, you know, if we can get your lawyer to speak about these dirty
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tricks, because we have to shine a light on the dirty tricks as well.
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There's dirty tricks in the medical cartel, but then the legal cartel is supporting that.
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So so, you know, the end in Australia and America, I'm sure there's a there is a
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ways. I'm trying to remember the technical term, you know, of good jurisprudence or
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whatever, totally ignored.
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Democrat judges or Republican judges in most cases.
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Right. Well, there's an element of lawfare, I think, on both sides to do things.
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And there you're fighting.
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It's David versus Goliath, you know, for a metaphor.
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But it's also there.
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They're not looking for.
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They were never looking for the truth.
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And they were trying to hide the truth and do everything that they could to keep
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anything and everything out that had anything related to why patients were coming to
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me, why it is that I did what I did, what it is that the complications were that we
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were seeing, which was the reason why we did it.
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They they did everything that they could.
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And they'd actually won on most of those motions.
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We we were not able to present anybody and we couldn't bring anybody in and have them
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tell us why they sought us out for a sailing shot or a, you know, a covid shot or a
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They knew that they were going to lose that argument.
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So then right from the get go, they they precluded us from doing that.
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And then they also precluded us from bringing in any experts that would talk about what
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but on everybody that was out there.
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And and I couldn't bring in any, you know, any vaccine injured patients in to talk about
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about this and but you can only you know, you can only mention this.
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I mean, it even got to the point where just before trial started, they essentially silenced
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me from being able to talk about my motivations were.
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Ethics are sorry.
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The the you know, fraud requires intent.
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And, you know, I didn't know that I know that much about fraud for this.
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I never read about it.
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But, you know, legally, my understanding was fraud requires intent.
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physically or whatever it is that you're doing to damage them, you you have to do
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it. That's a requirement for fraud.
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And they had managed to kind of, again, like you're saying, Charles, they'd managed to,
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you know, make an argument that that's not allowed in this court case to be able to talk
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about, you know, what the intent was.
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And so in reality, had I testified or had I been, I say forced to testify, but had I
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about what my intent was.
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And it was all it was all done very purposefully.
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You know, they, you know, for the same reasons, you know, you look at jury selection,
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you know, jury selection.
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It's not really a jury of your peers, because if I try to get my peers up there, all of
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reasons why they didn't want to get it.
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But they weren't allowed to have them because the way the jury selection is, is that you
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And again, it's somewhat of a fallacy and, you know, and letting, you know, and just
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be, you know, developed, you know, that the rules and all of these things, the lawyers
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are up there talking about Rule 603 and 402 and, you know, whatever those mean, I don't
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know what they mean. My point is, just like you're saying, Charles, it's just kind of
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like you put in all these rules about what it is that you can or can't talk about.
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I'll say one other thing, and then I want to bring Brian on if that's OK.
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You know, the.
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I forgot my train of thought.
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The rules. The rules.
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Yeah, I was talking about the rules, but I was transitioning into something else.
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And then I thought, why don't I bring Brian?
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You don't mind.
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Don't worry.
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Can I bring Brian Barnhill up? He's my attorney.
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Might want to say something about the trial itself.
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Yeah, Charles, you mentioned before that sometimes the justice system gets twisted a
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little bit and they take different tax that may not be as well-meaning or as in
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whether it's right or wrong.
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In this case, we had interviews with two of the witnesses that were that are here in
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They've been here for over a decade, close to two decades, working and paying taxes
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and doing everything you're supposed to be doing.
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they didn't participate and didn't assist them, they would name them as defendants.
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without any due process rights.
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In that same conversation I had with them, they were indicating that the transcripts
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we got of their interviews only held about [privacy contact redaction]ually told
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them or shared with them.
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So we were only getting partial information from from the United States on what these
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So it goes to your point that sometimes truth gets lost in the justice system.
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And what we were trying to do as part of our defense was get the truth out with whatever
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means we could.
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But to Kirk's point, there was a bright line painted on what we could talk about and
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what we couldn't talk about.
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Moore's office were those seeking a card because they were required to, for whatever
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reason, for for a life saving surgery, work requirements, some were pilots.
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vaccine. Another important point that's lost, and this is something that they were
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trying to raise as part of the government's prosecution, was that kept referring to the
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amount of money that was being raised through donations.
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Kirk never received a dime.
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He never asked for it.
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So and to go beyond that, to speak to Dr.
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Moore's his dedication to the Hippocratic Oath, if there were people that were suffering
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from COVID or sick, he would go and treat them at his on his own dime.
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He never asked for any any payments whatsoever.
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So this all this portion of it never really got to come out in the trial.
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And that that I think that was a critical point that we would have loved to have raised
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was to show that this there was no motivation here to commit some sort of fraud on the
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I'm on a pyramid.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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Brian, that is that is beautifully articulated and it reinforces where we're going with
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you know, and that's what hits the mantra of medical truth now.
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Well, the courts don't want to hear the truth.
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outcome that government wants.
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Absolutely. For the for them.
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And you've seen this.
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That's that's more what they're looking for rather than to actually bring justice or find
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the truth. And that's the sense we got in this was really trying.
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They were trying to score a win.
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It's historic.
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It's historic.
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Once a case is turned over to the US Attorney's Office for Prosecution and the trial starts,
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it's unprecedented that someone would intervene and stop that trial midstream.
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That came about.
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Well, we had we had reached out to Bondi's office in late January and again in I think late
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March with the weapons that when the weaponization committee was formed, we reached out to see
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if there's any means to get this case dismissed before went to trial.
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Nothing came of it.
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Is what we're hearing.
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I and I don't know who looked at what I could only speculate.
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But what did make it important contribution to getting the case dismissed was the public
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sentiment, the public gathering and rallying around Dr.
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That's really what brought the attention that this case needed to Attorney General Bondi's
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notice.
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So to Kirk's point about standing alone and standing as a group, standing as a group
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That's wonderful to hear that.
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And we've also heard here, everybody, that the judges follow culture.
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The law follows culture, not vice versa.
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The judges don't like creating culture.
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So it's an important principle and it's salutary for all of us.
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There's another element Kirk and Ryan, and that is that in your bio, you mentioned the two
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representatives that also intervene on your behalf.
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Can you tell us about that?
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Because that's a tip of the spear element of this.
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And, you know, Stephen has got his questions as well.
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But I really want to highlight this, that it wasn't just the public, but you had insiders
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working for you.
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So thank goodness.
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Well, yeah. So during that week, there was a lot of, you know, a lot of publicity that was
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coming out about it, that small rally that we had on Monday.
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My son, my 17 year old son, had a speech that day and then another one on Friday that both of
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There was an article published midweek by a journalist that was here, Ed Zoll, following the
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And he published an article midweek, Wednesday or Thursday, about the case and how it had gone up
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the poll at the weaponization workgroup and didn't get to the right people and was and our case was
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not taken in into consideration.
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So all of those variables made a difference.
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0:38:13 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction] kind of it brought it to the attention of I believe that, you know, I mean,
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Attorney General Bondi gives her full credit.
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0:38:24 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]ate of Georgia was the first one to post that she posted a really
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long message on X, wrote a letter saying that she was going to get a hold of Attorney General Bondi
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and try to reverse this miscarriage of justice.
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Thomas Massey from Kentucky then followed up with that, as well as Senator Mike Lee from the state
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of Utah, which is the state that I live in.
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So I think the combination of all of those events and all of those people kind of taking this up.
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And like I said, Attorney General Bondi says that it was definitely Marjorie Taylor Greene's
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0:39:01 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ence that this case be dismissed that got her to review the case personally and see the
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0:39:07 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ice. So.
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So this is the so Kirk.
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So the important point is it was Marjorie that picked up on it from the media, not you
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approaching Marjorie.
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Right. No, I don't.
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I don't have a I don't.
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I mean, I have her phone number now.
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She asked me. She asked me if she could keep me on a short list because she knows, you know,
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0:39:26 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ory and hearing of me and meeting me last Wednesday left her with an impression
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that she might want to reach out to me at some point in the future.
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And I said, you know, absolutely, I'm helpful and want to do whatever I can to stop these
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shots and to get these things taken off the market.
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But no, it was you're right.
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I mean, it was the public uprising and people saying things and the show of solidarity on the
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steps, the public outcry and the retweeting and the messages on Instagram and social
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media, everything else, the article that was published and everything getting her attention and
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difference. Wow.
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OK, everybody, very instructive.
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Brian, last comment before we go to Stephen.
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Well, I yeah, yeah, thank you.
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Yeah, the political process intervened.
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0:40:20 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction] say we did feel like we had presented, at least on the cross examination,
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that we had we had taken down their witnesses pretty well.
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We all speak for me.
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I felt pretty confident going into the weekend that the witnesses they had remaining were not
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going to be that beneficial to them.
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0:40:39 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction]andpoint, I think we had we had done a really good job positioning
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ourselves, going into our own direct examination for our witnesses.
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So it is a process.
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Right. And you don't know what things are and it's a jury.
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So you can only speculate pretty good at that point that we were in a good spot.
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But having the intervention of the attorney general's office really kind of spoke to
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really the underlying issue.
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Should we be prosecuting this case?
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And I think the resounding answer was no, we shouldn't be prosecuting this case.
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Wonderful, wonderful.
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Well, it's a it's a thank you for articulating those steps.
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That is great lessons for all of us.
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So, Stephen, over to you.
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So for both of you, well, first of all, we're really delighted that Kirk prevailed.
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I think, you know, it's never happened before.
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0:41:36 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] it?
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0:41:37 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction], I'm just interested that, you know, the that the case was ever brought
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brought by the prosecution in Utah.
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And that the federal government looked on and the attorney general
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at the time that that case was launched, which presumably was in the last
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0:41:56 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]ration, is that right?
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They saw nothing.
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0:42:01 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ration in twenty.
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0:42:04 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] So I think you said
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Kirk that they wanted to hide the truth by bringing the case.
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But the truth, you know, you weren't actually they wanted to hide the truth.
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0:42:17 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]ually, the case was going to bring out the truth, if anything.
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And it seems to me they wanted retribution and that was their mistake.
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Well, we are I think I think you're accused of fraud, but you're accused, in my opinion,
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the whole atmosphere and the whole set up of governments around the world
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mandating these shots was and furthermore, the terribly harmful lockdowns
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was wrong. And and that was fraud.
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There was no pandemic, in my opinion, as a British trained medical doctor.
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And there was no covid-19.
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And so the trial was nonsense.
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It was absolute nonsense.
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0:43:01 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] training for the lawyers.
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0:43:03 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] seen it as that.
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But it was retribution and it was everything it shouldn't have been,
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in my opinion. And so arguing about this and that about intent to commit fraud,
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there was no intent from your side to commit fraud.
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But that's what they said. But they had committed fraud.
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0:43:19 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]ates government had committed fraud by saying that there was a pandemic
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when there was no pandemic, in my opinion, as a doctor.
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And you may say, well, you know, how can you say that?
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Well, if you don't say it and you don't kind of postulate something as a medical
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0:43:35 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]or, then we'll never get to the truth because people,
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insufficient numbers will be looking for the evidence of lack of a pandemic.
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0:43:43 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] to hypothesize as a decent medical doctor, in my opinion.
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0:43:47 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction], I just wanted to know what you think about that.
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So this is much bigger.
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They wanted to hide the.
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0:43:58 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction] that there was there was no pandemic,
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but there was no covid-19, no safe diagnosis of covid-19, in my opinion.
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And and therefore none of the so-called measures,
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0:44:11 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]ed States of America from November 20,
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sorry, October 21 till May the 11th, 23.
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Absolutely outrageous what happened.
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And so what has happened here?
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And we are so happy for you, Kirk.
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0:44:31 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction] the beginning.
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It's not the end.
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Well, I don't disagree with you with your last statement that this is just the
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beginning because they're going to do it again.
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0:44:40 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]etely also agree with you that there was no covid pandemic.
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At the end of January of 2020, there were 44 total cases that had been,
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quote unquote, confirmed.
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0:44:51 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]ill didn't have a test that they said that was an accurate test to be
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able to tell them. So I'm not sure how they confirmed it.
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0:44:57 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction] date, there was only one death worldwide.
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So I don't know how you can claim that you have a pandemic, a worldwide pandemic,
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0:45:07 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction] a total of 44 cases in a country that has one point four million
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pneumonia's that are diagnosed every year and you have one death.
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So that's come up, obviously, in my,
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you know, time frame of studying all this, I certainly didn't know that at that
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time. I was certainly becoming, you know,
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very educated on the numbers and everything else related to that.
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But no, there was no pandemic. There is no pandemic.
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0:45:36 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]e will make an argument that there's no such thing as a virus.
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I'm not going to go down that road.
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But certainly no, you know, no worldwide pandemic that
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was worthy of a public health emergency of international concern,
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something called when you take that acronym and pronounce it, it says fake.
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0:45:54 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]etely agree with it that it's totally fake.
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And they will do it again.
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You know, the psychology of the human race says that when you
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get somebody to do something, whether it's right or wrong, you get a human
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being to do something based upon fear of the retribution of not
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doing it. 92 percent of the time, they will then follow up and do the next thing
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0:46:18 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]art getting people to wear masks.
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0:46:23 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]e are then going to stand six feet apart and not get
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into any gatherings. And then you are going to have a certain percentage of
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0:46:32 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]e that then will follow up with getting themselves or giving themselves a
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shot and believing that, you know, all of that.
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So it's it's been tried and true and tested.
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The Ash experiments, the Milgram experiments show that
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0:46:49 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]e would give a lethal shock to somebody that was merely
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0:46:55 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction] because there was somebody in a white
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0:47:00 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]anding over them, telling them to do it.
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0:47:03 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction] that kind of a mentality, I think our government is very
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0:47:08 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]ly capable of using those those tactics on us as a population.
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And I think that that's exactly what they did.
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Yeah. So one thing that I think none of us should overlook, but obviously you have
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to take your time, Kirk. But you have tremendous power now.
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You're untouchable, it seems to me.
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And so I don't know about that.
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Sorry, I said, I don't know about that.
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You know, they'll come after me for taxes.
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They'll come after me for something else.
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0:47:38 --> 0:47:41
Yeah, OK. Yeah, I'm just who knows.
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0:47:42 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]e are going to take very seriously what you say, including the
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0:47:45 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]e who helped you know, Marjorie Taylor Green.
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I mean, what does she know about that?
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Does she know that Covid-19, the whole pandemic was a fraud?
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You didn't talk about that, I don't suppose.
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0:47:57 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction] happened had Trump not come to power
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in January 20th, on January the 20th of this year, do you think?
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Absolutely not. Absolutely.
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0:48:09 --> 0:48:14
And do you think this seems to me that if it was unprecedented for the US attorney
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0:48:14 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]ed States proceeding with a legal case,
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0:48:21 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]ified, it's unprecedented.
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So do you think that Trump had to be involved?
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I think he had to be. Maybe you don't want to say.
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I really can't. I can't answer that.
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I mean, a lot of people say there's no way that he was not involved in some capacity,
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that it wouldn't have been something that he didn't know about and then either
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agree to, you know, voluntarily or begrudgingly agree to doing it or what?
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I couldn't be blindsided.
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0:48:50 --> 0:48:52
I doubt he was blindsided. But again, I don't know.
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Well, I think it's impossible, to be honest.
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So especially with.
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0:48:59 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]s for, you know, the failings, whatever they may be
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0:49:05 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]ein files,
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release, which didn't exist, apparently the list.
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0:49:13 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction], we won't go into that.
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0:49:16 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to ask.
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So from a human point of view.
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0:49:23 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] been defining for you, I think, as they have for me.
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0:49:29 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] time in the last five years and what was the best?
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Well, there's no doubt that the best was 8.35 in the morning on July 12th.
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And that that notification of the case being dismissed
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with my mom being here to, you know, to kind of be there after everything that,
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you know, that I've put her through, essentially.
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I mean, she's 83 years old, be 84 on Wednesday.
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You know, otherwise healthy, doing great.
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0:49:57 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]ls back and forth to my house and my sister's house in Connecticut.
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0:50:01 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]s a car, you know, very, very active person.
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But I can't imagine the stress or strain that, you know,
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0:50:08 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] two and a half years.
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0:50:12 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] time.
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I you know, some people will probably say that the worst day was being indicted.
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0:50:20 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] day was having that ruling against us
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for being able to use a necessity defense, which essentially eliminated
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my ability to bring in witnesses as to why they were seeking me out
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0:50:34 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]ruggled from the effects of the vaccines.
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October 19th of 2024 was that date.
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And that so that day, the day of my indictment and the day that they threw me
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in jail for texting my, you know, my co-defendants that we had a court case
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the next day, and that violated my pretrial restrictions of not
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communicating to my co-defendants about the case.
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0:51:03 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] told them we had we had a hearing the next day
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and that they should be there with their attorneys.
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And that was a violation of my pretrial restrictions.
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And they put me in jail for 22 days.
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0:51:14 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]ama that, you know, that came about that whole month
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0:51:18 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] year.
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0:51:21 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] Saturday.
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And how do you feel now?
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Well, certainly relieved.
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I'm very tired.
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It's it's it was unbelievably exhausting.
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0:51:39 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] you're kind of running on a level of epinephrine
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0:51:42 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] don't realize.
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And now it's just trying to pull all the pieces back together,
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trying to get my life back together, trying to get my business back
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to where it was before.
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And at the same time, trying to continue with,
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you know, my motivation to get these shots off the off the market
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0:52:03 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]opped.
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0:52:05 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] I can't see how our politicians
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and our authorities and our regulators and everybody else just
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0:52:14 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]etely ignoring it.
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0:52:16 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] to know about it.
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They're just ignoring it.
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And in large measure, they're complicit with the murdering
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and maiming of our society.
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0:52:28 --> 0:52:32
And so do you think that it was pressure from people like
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Marjorie Taylor Green and maybe others that you don't even know about?
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0:52:36 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] week went badly?
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0:52:39 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]art and then close it down?
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Well, I mean, my understanding is, is that the prosecutors here in Utah
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0:52:47 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ug got pulled out from under them.
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So I don't think that they were willing and able to stop the case midstream.
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And so this certainly came from on high.
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0:52:59 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]s were that Marjorie Taylor Green had Senator Lee,
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Thomas Massey or any of the other representatives
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had that were kind of behind the scenes that weren't so vocal about it.
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I don't know. I just know that Attorney General Bondi was specific
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0:53:14 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] that Marjorie Taylor Green was instrumental in getting her
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to notice this case.
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0:53:21 --> 0:53:23
She claims that she didn't really know about it.
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0:53:23 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] Thursday or Friday, and well, a week ago, so 10 days ago.
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0:53:30 --> 0:53:36
And so that July 10th or 11th, the time frame that she that that Attorney
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General Bondi didn't know about my case.
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And as soon as she found out about it and as soon as she found and as soon as
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she saw how you know, how much support we had and and how Marjorie Taylor
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0:53:46 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] kind of pushing the envelope on getting this case dismissed,
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that that's what she did.
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0:53:52 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] trying to get the case dismissed.
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That that's what, you know, caused her to open her eyes to go downstairs
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and get my file from the weaponization work group and look it over and make a decision to
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dismiss the case.
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So it's entirely up to you, Kirk.
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And maybe you need to time to think about it and maybe to talk to your lawyer.
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But in the end, it's your life.
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So not your lawyer's life.
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I wonder whether, you know, at some stage, you might like to say to Marjorie Taylor
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Green, who wanted to be in contact with you, remember, so you could say to her
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that you've got access to a pile of witnesses who can change her view on COVID-19.
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The pandemic, alleged pandemic.
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I think I mentioned that to her.
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I mentioned that I had access to a lot of people and a lot of science and a lot of data.
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And that if she ever required that, I said that also to
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0:54:54 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]an from Ohio.
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And I had a kind of a sidebar personal conversation with Senator Mike Lee about that as well.
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So they're both, you know, all of those that both all of those, all of our politicians that
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I've spoken to directly are well aware of that.
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And I hope they, you know, I hope they reach out and kind of allow me to help them.
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0:55:20 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction] briefly, Marjorie Taylor Green is one of the big noises in the Maggie
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movement, as I understand it.
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There's no doubt about it.
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Whatever else you may think about her, she is an American patriot.
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We need patriots.
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0:55:33 --> 0:55:38
What we saw in 2020 was, in my opinion, a Trojan horse for totalitarianism.
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And governments all around the world took part in this incredible fraud.
802
0:55:43 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction] their own countries.
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That was treason.
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It occurred in America, too, like it did in the United Kingdom.
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0:55:51 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]e to account.
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0:55:53 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction] that conversation with Marjorie Taylor Green when you're ready,
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rather than maybe talking about specifically about COVID-19.
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That's my opinion.
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But we can talk about that in the future, hopefully.
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0:56:06 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]etely agree with you.
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Don't disagree with you at all.
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And I can't see Marjorie Taylor Green ever wanting to go against saving her country,
813
0:56:13 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]and what COVID was about if she wants to save her country.
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0:56:17 --> 0:56:18
So thank you so much.
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Thank you.
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0:56:22 --> 0:56:23
Thank you, Stephen.
817
0:56:23 --> 0:56:24
So we've got hands up.
818
0:56:24 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]on, I want to show you, everybody, have a look at this.
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0:56:30 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]ralian newspaper.
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0:56:34 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]ralian government last Friday, July 18th.
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It says, look, big picture, you know, of a sad, forlorn looking woman.
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0:56:49 --> 0:56:51
Are you prepared for COVID-19 this winter?
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And it says, recognize the symptoms.
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Saw the right coughing.
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0:57:01 --> 0:57:02
Runny nose.
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0:57:02 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
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0:57:05 --> 0:57:06
Assess your risk.
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0:57:06 --> 0:57:09
And it says here, it says here, get tested.
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If you get any of these symptoms, act fast and take a rapid antigen test or contact your GP
830
0:57:17 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]
831
0:57:19 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]e at high risk of severe illness,
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but these are time sensitive and need to be discussed with your GP as
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early as possible after symptoms appear.
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Look at this shit.
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0:57:32 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to point.
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0:57:34 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]ralian government putting this shit in.
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And it's full of lies.
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0:57:41 --> 0:57:46
And it's an interesting question as to publishing this, Brian.
839
0:57:46 --> 0:57:51
And it certainly says pregnant women are considered a vulnerable group,
840
0:57:52 --> 0:57:58
particularly if they are overweight or obese, which of course is over 60% of American women
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and men.
842
0:58:00 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] pre-existing high blood pressure or diabetes.
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0:58:04 --> 0:58:07
Let's jab the pregnant women with this shit.
844
0:58:07 --> 0:58:13
So everybody, this is the fraud that continues, the psyops.
845
0:58:13 --> 0:58:21
So it ain't over and our fight is not over as I said at the start and Steven and I know.
846
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And we're going to be up for the fight.
847
0:58:22 --> 0:58:27
And Kirk and Brian, your fight is inspiring.
848
0:58:27 --> 0:58:28
Well, Charles, I'm going to make a statement.
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0:58:28 --> 0:58:30
I think this is what I was going to say earlier.
850
0:58:32 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] like you and everybody in this room and
851
0:58:37 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]e that are not here, they were the ones that were committing fraud.
852
0:58:40 --> 0:58:47
They were trying to make what I did an illegal activity without really having any evidence of
853
0:58:47 --> 0:58:49
the illegality.
854
0:58:49 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ates, we have HIPAA laws, which require you to never
855
0:58:55 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]e's private medical information.
856
0:58:57 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]ually be thrown in jail and there's a law that's passed that says that.
857
0:59:03 --> 0:59:08
So if somebody asks somebody or I disclose somebody's personal medical information
858
0:59:12 --> 0:59:16
without their permission, I can actually be thrown in jail for that.
859
0:59:16 --> 0:59:18
They can be fined and thrown in jail for that.
860
0:59:18 --> 0:59:22
So what happened is that the federal government was requiring people to disclose
861
0:59:22 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction] their will, most likely, or against their ability.
862
0:59:32 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]e didn't want to do that and they were requiring other people to do that.
863
0:59:36 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction] to walk into a grocery store, to walk into a restaurant,
864
0:59:40 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction], to hold a job.
865
0:59:44 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]ually committing illegal acts.
866
0:59:48 --> 0:59:53
And then trying to turn that back on me saying that I was committing an illegal act when
867
0:59:53 --> 0:59:55
there was no illegality in it.
868
0:59:56 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction] from the CDC that said that this is what we should do.
869
1:00:04 --> 1:00:10
But the CDC is an advisory agency only and they don't have the ability to make laws.
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1:00:10 --> 1:00:15
And we brought that up in our trial that the CDC has no law.
871
1:00:15 --> 1:00:21
No, the government was trying to say that I was violating a, and this is the motion
872
1:00:21 --> 1:00:28
to dismiss that we had, a lawful governmental function of the CDC.
873
1:00:28 --> 1:00:33
The CDC doesn't have any lawful governmental functions.
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1:00:33 --> 1:00:35
They are an advisory agency only.
875
1:00:35 --> 1:00:36
That's what their charter says.
876
1:00:37 --> 1:00:43
And even though we put that in our motion to dismiss, there were no laws that I violated.
877
1:00:44 --> 1:00:48
They, you know, the judge ruled against that and said that based upon all the evidence
878
1:00:48 --> 1:00:51
that he could gather and everything else, that there were lawful governmental functions
879
1:00:51 --> 1:00:55
of the CDC, even though there were no laws that were ever passed.
880
1:00:55 --> 1:00:56
So that's what I was trying to get at before.
881
1:00:56 --> 1:00:58
And I apologize, forgot that train of thought.
882
1:00:59 --> 1:01:00
Thank you.
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1:01:01 --> 1:01:01
All right.
884
1:01:02 --> 1:01:03
All right.
885
1:01:03 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]on, hit us with your best shot.
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1:01:07 --> 1:01:12
Dr. Mork, congratulations on your success.
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1:01:13 --> 1:01:19
I think your talk, which I turned on too very late, exemplified a lot of,
888
1:01:20 --> 1:01:22
a lot of my observations about the law.
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1:01:25 --> 1:01:29
One of which is how unfair it is for you to have been charged in the first place
890
1:01:29 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]e, I think is, is horrible.
891
1:01:35 --> 1:01:42
Then it seems to me that the attorney general, Bondi, didn't seem to tune into what was happening
892
1:01:42 --> 1:01:48
until Marjorie Taylor Greene saw fit to intervene for whatever reason and to suggest
893
1:01:50 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ing to what you said.
894
1:01:52 --> 1:01:57
So that tells me that Marjorie Taylor Greene may have some information that we don't know about,
895
1:01:58 --> 1:01:59
thank God she hasn't.
896
1:02:00 --> 1:02:02
Thank God she did what she did.
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1:02:03 --> 1:02:08
And Bondi, who hopefully will now go and read it alone if she doesn't know already,
898
1:02:09 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
899
1:02:13 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ion now, a couple of questions.
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1:02:17 --> 1:02:26
Are you, well likely, you're not the only doctor in your country who is,
901
1:02:27 --> 1:02:29
was in that situation.
902
1:02:30 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction] lost their licenses, who are perhaps before the courts?
903
1:02:35 --> 1:02:38
Bondi's intervention, a couple of them as well?
904
1:02:39 --> 1:02:45
Well, there's a complete, that's a different legal avenue.
905
1:02:46 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ate licenses their physicians.
906
1:02:50 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ep in on this in the first place was what we felt was out of jurisdiction.
907
1:02:58 --> 1:03:02
Every communication that I had is with the state of Utah, not with the federal government.
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1:03:02 --> 1:03:07
And so we had made the argument that the federal government doesn't have the ability to do that.
909
1:03:07 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction] the ability to take away somebody's license.
910
1:03:10 --> 1:03:11
It's all done within states.
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1:03:11 --> 1:03:15
It's all done within their regulatory agencies that they have.
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1:03:16 --> 1:03:24
So I don't think that my case is going to have anything to do with the state governments and licensing and everything else.
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1:03:24 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction] certification is a separate issue.
914
1:03:26 --> 1:03:29
That's all, again, just a little bit of a different issue.
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1:03:29 --> 1:03:31
I've lost all that.
916
1:03:31 --> 1:03:33
I don't have hospital privileges anymore.
917
1:03:33 --> 1:03:35
I don't have my board certification anymore.
918
1:03:35 --> 1:03:39
All of that was done mainly because of my stance.
919
1:03:39 --> 1:03:45
I refused to wear a mask in a hospital and so they terminated my medical privileges.
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1:03:45 --> 1:03:53
That then doesn't allow me to have a certified surgical facility that I operate out of, out of my hospital.
921
1:03:53 --> 1:04:03
I can't operate in a hospital and then I can't get my facility certified because I don't have a relationship that allows me to transfer my patients to a hospital in case of an emergency.
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1:04:03 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] certification when it came up for renewal in 2022.
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1:04:09 --> 1:04:13
So all of those are pretty separate.
924
1:04:13 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]on, you didn't mention this.
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1:04:15 --> 1:04:17
I don't think that's going to be a good example of what I'm talking about.
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1:04:17 --> 1:04:23
But I think there's other physicians that are out there that did what I did and I hope there's thousands of them.
927
1:04:23 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]e pause as far as if the federal government decides to go after them for their quote unquote fraudulent COVID vaccines and COVID cards.
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1:04:37 --> 1:04:41
So is Bondi not sure what he's talking about?
929
1:04:41 --> 1:04:45
Bondi is federal, but the licensing is the licensing is state.
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1:04:45 --> 1:04:47
Right, right.
931
1:04:47 --> 1:04:49
Yeah, yeah.
932
1:04:49 --> 1:04:51
But Kirk, the argument against that is the Bondi is federal.
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1:04:51 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] you.
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1:04:53 --> 1:04:55
Is it?
935
1:04:55 --> 1:04:57
No, it was a federal case.
936
1:04:57 --> 1:04:59
It was a federal case.
937
1:04:59 --> 1:05:01
I hope it's not a federal case.
938
1:05:01 --> 1:05:03
It was a federal case.
939
1:05:03 --> 1:05:05
It was a federal case.
940
1:05:05 --> 1:05:07
It was a federal case.
941
1:05:07 --> 1:05:09
No, it was a federal case.
942
1:05:09 --> 1:05:11
It was a federal case.
943
1:05:11 --> 1:05:23
I had FBI and HHS agents and DHS agents that came in and served the search warrant on my office on January 11th of 2023.
944
1:05:23 --> 1:05:25
So this was a federal case to begin with.
945
1:05:25 --> 1:05:27
So why didn't they have federal prosecutors then?
946
1:05:27 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction] federal prosecutors.
947
1:05:29 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]em is set up so that there's a Department of Justice that is the head Department of Justice in Washington, D.C., and then they have state, they have U.S. attorneys in each state, and each one of those U.S. attorneys then has their own staff and assistant U.S. attorneys that we're doing it.
948
1:05:49 --> 1:05:57
And that's what my prosecution was, the Utah State U.S. Attorney's Office.
949
1:05:57 --> 1:05:59
Yes, I understand.
950
1:05:59 --> 1:06:09
Despite you having been exonerated by the federal government, you're saying the state now can come and prosecute you?
951
1:06:09 --> 1:06:13
Yes, in theory they could.
952
1:06:13 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction] it on, I guess you never know, but I have it on good authority that the state doesn't believe that they would have the ability to do that either.
953
1:06:25 --> 1:06:35
And I've heard, you know, just some people have told me that it would be political suicide in the state of Utah for this case to have been brought in the first place.
954
1:06:35 --> 1:06:42
I mean, for a fraud case like they brought in the federal government, there's a three-year statute of limitations on the state side.
955
1:06:42 --> 1:06:54
So we're beyond that for a fraud type of case. That doesn't preclude them from bringing any other form of action, but I agree with Dr. Moore that it would not be politically savvy for them to bring those cases now.
956
1:06:54 --> 1:07:00
Yeah, well, I am no lawyer, but it seems to me there's something unusual.
957
1:07:00 --> 1:07:06
The federal executive, attorney general, says useless.
958
1:07:06 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]ate can come and prosecute, so can she then come back and say useless again? How does that work?
959
1:07:14 --> 1:07:17
It seems to me that that should be the end of that for him.
960
1:07:17 --> 1:07:19
Absolutely, yeah.
961
1:07:19 --> 1:07:22
But who am I? I'm nothing. I don't know.
962
1:07:23 --> 1:07:27
I think you're absolutely right.
963
1:07:27 --> 1:07:40
I mean, there are some possibilities that this could be brought up in state, but I think Brian says the statute of limitations has run out because the end of my fraudulent activity was in 22.
964
1:07:40 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction] said, out of your country, that case should never have been.
965
1:07:48 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]?
966
1:07:50 --> 1:07:54
To my mind, not as fast as before Elbow.
967
1:07:54 --> 1:08:02
Kirk, you should know that the person you're talking to at the moment is a psychiatrist. He's a Canadian psychiatrist.
968
1:08:02 --> 1:08:05
He's a medical doctor, in other words, so he's on site.
969
1:08:07 --> 1:08:17
Yeah, I'm just...it's just the way our system is set up is we have a federal system, a federal legal system, and then a state legal system.
970
1:08:17 --> 1:08:21
They don't really cross over that much.
971
1:08:21 --> 1:08:27
So that's why they're kind of different jurisdictions.
972
1:08:27 --> 1:08:35
And that's when I was saying earlier, we've been saying all along that this really is not a federal case.
973
1:08:35 --> 1:08:38
I never had any relationship with the federal government.
974
1:08:38 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] that was signed with the federal government.
975
1:08:42 --> 1:08:52
The paperwork that we did sign was paperwork from the federal government that actually didn't have any kind of numbers attached to it
976
1:08:52 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] in the 1970s says that all federal paperwork had to have.
977
1:08:57 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ribute all of this paperwork to their [privacy contact redaction]ions,
978
1:09:04 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]us 14 other larger health departments, probably like New York City,
979
1:09:10 --> 1:09:22
Chicago, LA, San Francisco, some of the larger cities that have their own health departments that function somewhat separately or are too big to function within the regular state health department.
980
1:09:22 --> 1:09:25
So this is different.
981
1:09:25 --> 1:09:38
I think it's our 10th Amendment, which kind of separates church and state and keeps anything that our current constitution delineates to the federal government.
982
1:09:38 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ates.
983
1:09:40 --> 1:09:50
Well, you know, again, you can answer this, but I will ask, what is it about you that the federal government zeroed in on you?
984
1:09:50 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ates, whatever it is.
985
1:09:54 --> 1:09:58
Why would they zero in on you and then exonerate you?
986
1:09:58 --> 1:10:02
There's something that is beyond me.
987
1:10:02 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction], I don't think they planned on exonerating me.
988
1:10:05 --> 1:10:09
Why did they go after me?
989
1:10:09 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]aint against me from somebody that got forwarded to the FBI in January of 2022.
990
1:10:19 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]ink about that is they both they had two expert witnesses up there that said, well, as soon as we find out that you're doing something wrong, we will disenroll you from the program.
991
1:10:31 --> 1:10:34
And yet I was never disenrolled.
992
1:10:34 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] until September of 2022.
993
1:10:38 --> 1:10:48
So nine months after they had evidence that I was quote unquote fraudulently distributing COVID vaccines and COVID cards, they did nothing about it.
994
1:10:48 --> 1:10:51
So I can't answer that.
995
1:10:51 --> 1:10:52
You're right.
996
1:10:52 --> 1:11:07
Yeah, but from what you're saying, your provincial, not provincial, but your state authorities did not come after you for those reported alleged wrongdoings.
997
1:11:07 --> 1:11:12
No, they forwarded it directly to the FBI.
998
1:11:12 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]aint that came to the Utah Health Department, they just forwarded it directly to the FBI.
999
1:11:19 --> 1:11:20
Wow.
1000
1:11:20 --> 1:11:22
Well, thanks again.
1001
1:11:22 --> 1:11:23
Congratulations.
1002
1:11:23 --> 1:11:24
On we go.
1003
1:11:24 --> 1:11:25
Too much.
1004
1:11:25 --> 1:11:27
There's there's great speculation there.
1005
1:11:27 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] that comes to my mind is miracle.
1006
1:11:29 --> 1:11:36
Albert and human hubris on the part of the prosecutors.
1007
1:11:36 --> 1:11:38
Kirk, God bless you, my man.
1008
1:11:38 --> 1:11:40
Albert, great to see you.
1009
1:11:40 --> 1:11:41
Thank you.
1010
1:11:41 --> 1:11:42
Thank you.
1011
1:11:42 --> 1:11:43
Thanks.
1012
1:11:43 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
1013
1:11:46 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
1014
1:11:47 --> 1:11:58
You know, I'm not a law man either myself, but in your had this case gone to trial or discovery, whatever that's called.
1015
1:11:58 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]rategy that had or were you able to speak about the bears, any bears stuff or did they put the kibosh on would have put the kibosh on that too that you couldn't speak of bears stuff and just the normal stats that are in there, but like the throttling, the deletion of reports, all the obfuscation and manipulation of that.
1016
1:12:24 --> 1:12:47
No, the ruling that they did in October of last year, which I said was probably the lowest point that I had was when they precluded us from talking about anything that led up to that led people looking for me and or talking about any of the complications or any of the sequelae from the vaccine and the vaccine injured.
1017
1:12:48 --> 1:13:11
You know that I know, you know, Brianne Dressen very well, and she could have lined up, you know, [privacy contact redaction], you know, one after the next after the next brought through that courthouse and I could have brought any number of the [privacy contact redaction]e that I had treated prior to this to come in and talk about the reasons why they were seeking me out.
1018
1:13:11 --> 1:13:15
But no, they had they just they said, no, we're not talking about that.
1019
1:13:15 --> 1:13:25
And that's why I'm saying, you know, that's why I'm saying it was they were they were walking a tightrope in their opening statement.
1020
1:13:25 --> 1:13:28
They opened the door to bringing that out.
1021
1:13:28 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction] witness brought it out even further.
1022
1:13:32 --> 1:13:41
And then we had a discussion with the judge and everything else about it, because at this point, you know, the judge was kind of like, hey, you guys open the door.
1023
1:13:41 --> 1:14:00
He goes, I don't think it's kicked wide open yet, but we have to come to some rules and some, you know, some some agreement here in terms of how we're going to handle this, because you guys can't talk about the beneficial effects of the vaccine if he's not able to talk about the downstream, you know, deleterious effects of the vaccine.
1024
1:14:00 --> 1:14:04
So it was it was a tightrope and they crossed it a few times.
1025
1:14:05 --> 1:14:08
And we were, you know, we were pushing back pretty hard.
1026
1:14:09 --> 1:14:11
Kirk, one last thing.
1027
1:14:11 --> 1:14:15
My daughter is going to be a sophomore at Arizona State this coming year.
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1:14:15 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction], I think you have a son that's going there.
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So my daughter was there.
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She was there for two years.
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1:14:25 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ed, she came home.
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She finished her.
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She finished her sophomore year there, you know, remotely, because that's the way a lot of them did.
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She's been taking some online classes since, but has not gone back.
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She lives in Oklahoma now.
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OK, all right.
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1:14:42 --> 1:14:43
It's good to know. God bless you, my man.
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1:14:44 --> 1:14:45
Thank you. God bless you, too.
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1:14:45 --> 1:14:49
Albert, that's good, because this group is designed to put people together.
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1:14:49 --> 1:14:51
We're waiting for our first Marys to come about.
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1:14:51 --> 1:14:55
So, you know, get your daughter talking to Kirk's son, you know.
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1:14:55 --> 1:14:56
Hello. All right.
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1:14:56 --> 1:15:02
Well, also, he could get some so you could get Albert talking to Marjorie Taylor Green.
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1:15:03 --> 1:15:06
That would because Albert's a really pleasant guy.
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1:15:07 --> 1:15:13
So his charm would help in putting over the stuff he knows about theirs.
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1:15:15 --> 1:15:18
I don't disagree with that at all.
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1:15:18 --> 1:15:22
I'd be happy to do that and make that, you know, I'll make that introduction as soon as I can.
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1:15:24 --> 1:15:27
All right, Jerome, good to see you.
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1:15:27 --> 1:15:29
Yes. Hold on a second.
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1:15:29 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction] And Jerome, if.
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1:15:34 --> 1:15:36
Yep. Hold on a second. I've got to get.
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1:15:39 --> 1:15:40
OK, I'm back.
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1:15:40 --> 1:15:43
And Jerome, if you're still looking for books, I think you've got a fantastic book here.
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1:15:44 --> 1:15:49
Well, it would be a good book, and I think it's one we ought to think about doing.
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1:15:49 --> 1:15:52
I think it might be a very good book.
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1:15:52 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]s.
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1:15:54 --> 1:15:58
But I think the major comment I've got and our question is, I mean,
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1:15:58 --> 1:16:01
the government put me through this, too, with the Mueller investigation.
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1:16:01 --> 1:16:03
One put me in prison.
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1:16:03 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ounding thing that you said was
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1:16:07 --> 1:16:10
you realize that it was the government that was the criminal
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1:16:10 --> 1:16:12
and the government was lying, cheating, stealing.
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1:16:15 --> 1:16:18
They could to get you in prison because they had an agenda,
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1:16:19 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]e realize what was going on.
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1:16:23 --> 1:16:27
And so therefore, you know, you suffered the same type of
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1:16:28 --> 1:16:29
really torture.
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1:16:29 --> 1:16:35
And you should you should definitely seek now compensation for this.
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1:16:35 --> 1:16:37
I'm glad I'm wondering, you know, why don't you now
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1:16:37 --> 1:16:40
sue the federal government, your lawyers to the federal government
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1:16:40 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ress they put you through on a case of false
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1:16:43 --> 1:16:46
prosecution? I think you've got an excellent case here.
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1:16:46 --> 1:16:48
False prosecution. I'd hate to see you not get
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1:16:49 --> 1:16:52
financial compensation, the millions of dollars for what you went through.
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1:16:54 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ion, are you planning to do that?
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1:16:57 --> 1:16:59
I'm not planning on doing that right now.
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1:16:59 --> 1:17:02
There's a there's something called the Hyde Amendment that we
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1:17:03 --> 1:17:07
part of the dismissal asked me to sign
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1:17:07 --> 1:17:10
that I would not sue them for lawyers fees.
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1:17:10 --> 1:17:14
I've had a couple of people come to me and say that
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1:17:15 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]s of doing it.
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1:17:17 --> 1:17:19
And there are some, you know, some tort laws
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1:17:20 --> 1:17:22
and some ability to kind of go down that route.
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1:17:23 --> 1:17:25
I do know that
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1:17:26 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]anding is, at least with the Hyde stuff for legal defense,
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1:17:32 --> 1:17:36
there's a pretty high bar to reach in terms of being able to get them
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1:17:36 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]ually kind of a malicious prosecution
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1:17:40 --> 1:17:44
and that it takes time and more money and more effort to kind of get there.
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1:17:44 --> 1:17:49
I probably will look into it as things settle down here a little bit more, Jerome.
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1:17:50 --> 1:17:53
Right now, I'm just kind of enjoying the fact that I don't have
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1:17:54 --> 1:17:58
I don't have to go to court and I don't have a sentencing hearing
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1:17:58 --> 1:18:03
coming up here shortly after either having been convicted on partial charges or something.
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1:18:04 --> 1:18:06
Well, I certainly know how that feels, having gone through it myself.
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1:18:08 --> 1:18:13
But the point is, wrongful prosecution should be obvious in this case
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1:18:13 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]opped a trial in motion, which is unprecedented.
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1:18:17 --> 1:18:21
I think if you get an attorney and you file those several quickly,
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1:18:21 --> 1:18:24
especially with the attorney general we've got now in the government,
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1:18:24 --> 1:18:26
they're not going to fight you.
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1:18:26 --> 1:18:28
They're just going to ask you how many millions of dollars you want.
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1:18:29 --> 1:18:32
Well, I'll look into that.
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1:18:32 --> 1:18:37
I know that my current attorneys having to work in the system here
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1:18:37 --> 1:18:42
are probably a little less likely to do that.
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1:18:42 --> 1:18:45
I'd probably have to go out of my jurisdiction to do something because.
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1:18:45 --> 1:18:48
Well, it's funny, it could turn to Washington to take the case.
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1:18:48 --> 1:18:51
And if you don't want to connect with one, we'll be happy to
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1:18:51 --> 1:18:55
find one for you. I mean, I'm working with Peter Titken, the president's attorney,
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1:18:55 --> 1:19:01
and they're now going for compensation for the J sixers who were put into prison.
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1:19:01 --> 1:19:04
There's no reason why you shouldn't be on the list, too.
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1:19:04 --> 1:19:08
OK. Well, I posted my phone number and email address in the chat.
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1:19:09 --> 1:19:13
I really enjoy a conversation with you.
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1:19:13 --> 1:19:16
Yeah. So I really recommend Jerome.
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1:19:16 --> 1:19:20
He knows half of America and I know he does.
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1:19:20 --> 1:19:21
He's very courageous.
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1:19:21 --> 1:19:25
I've followed him for a long time and he has more guts than all of us
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1:19:25 --> 1:19:29
in this room put together. So it's wonderful.
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1:19:29 --> 1:19:31
Even I'll share yours.
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1:19:31 --> 1:19:33
I'm not quite working really conveniently right it all down.
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1:19:33 --> 1:19:37
Steven will get me yours and I'll try to pull it up here from the chat.
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1:19:38 --> 1:19:42
But I'll put mine in the chat as well.
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1:19:42 --> 1:19:43
Steven's got it.
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1:19:43 --> 1:19:46
I'll introduce you to to Kirk by email.
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1:19:46 --> 1:19:49
OK, yeah, I think that way we get together
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1:19:49 --> 1:19:53
because you've got
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1:19:54 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]anding case to get compensated.
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1:19:57 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]e need to pay for what they've done.
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1:20:01 --> 1:20:06
And I would even know for me, I would bring cases against them.
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1:20:06 --> 1:20:08
I'd file criminal charges against the prosecutors.
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1:20:10 --> 1:20:14
Well, I I know that them threatening to deport somebody
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1:20:14 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] me, if not outright illegal,
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1:20:17 --> 1:20:19
was certainly very immoral and very unethical.
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1:20:20 --> 1:20:22
I would say that's witness covering surely.
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1:20:23 --> 1:20:26
I would certainly make some noise about it and tell Bondi
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1:20:26 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] the Department of Justice
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1:20:29 --> 1:20:31
for false prosecution and criminal charges
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1:20:31 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] themselves.
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1:20:34 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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1:20:37 --> 1:20:40
All right. Excellent. Excellent insight, Brian.
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1:20:40 --> 1:20:42
There's some thoughts for you, Bibi.
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1:20:42 --> 1:20:44
You know, it's a bad time.
1139
1:20:44 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] to recover from the trauma.
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1:20:45 --> 1:20:49
But, you know, Brian, it's what are your thoughts?
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1:20:49 --> 1:20:52
Well, he doesn't have to tell us now, Charles.
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1:20:53 --> 1:20:53
Hang on, Stephen.
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1:20:55 --> 1:20:59
Well, I'll just say that with Dr.
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1:20:59 --> 1:21:03
Corsi was saying is kind of beyond my that's not in my area of practice.
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1:21:04 --> 1:21:05
So I would defer to him.
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1:21:05 --> 1:21:07
He's got certainly much more experience on that.
1147
1:21:07 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] to give it some layman explanation.
1148
1:21:11 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] and there's a provision in there
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1:21:15 --> 1:21:18
for prevailing attorney's fees and I sue you for a million dollars,
1150
1:21:18 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]ed dollars and my prevailing party.
1151
1:21:22 --> 1:21:25
And that's where there were Dr. Moore was talking about.
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1:21:25 --> 1:21:26
There's some ambiguity there.
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1:21:26 --> 1:21:27
Were you the prevailing party or not?
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1:21:27 --> 1:21:32
So in the context of his dismissal, it made sense to sign the Hyde Amendment
1155
1:21:32 --> 1:21:33
because this was unprecedented.
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1:21:33 --> 1:21:35
We didn't know where that line would be drawn.
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1:21:36 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]ly, he'd been through the wringer at that point.
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1:21:39 --> 1:21:42
It was good to bring that to a conclusion, particularly with the jury trial.
1159
1:21:42 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] never know how they're going to come back.
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1:21:43 --> 1:21:46
So it made sense for us at that time to do that.
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1:21:46 --> 1:21:52
Well, the Hyde Amendment only applies payment of the attorney's fees.
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1:21:52 --> 1:21:54
You don't care about attorney's fees.
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1:21:54 --> 1:21:58
Go after them for millions of dollars for the for what they did to you.
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1:21:58 --> 1:22:01
This is this is criminal prosecution.
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1:22:01 --> 1:22:04
They're the criminals and they deserve to be in prison for what they've done.
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1:22:04 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] with it, they'll do.
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1:22:07 --> 1:22:09
Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to cut you off.
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1:22:09 --> 1:22:10
I'm excited for Dr.
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1:22:10 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] with you, because I'd love to see where that goes with them.
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1:22:16 --> 1:22:17
Beautiful. Thank you, brother.
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1:22:17 --> 1:22:18
No, no.
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1:22:23 --> 1:22:26
All right. Calladine.
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1:22:28 --> 1:22:29
Yes, sir.
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1:22:29 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ions.
1175
1:22:33 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]raught this last week
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1:22:39 --> 1:22:43
when I saw that the HHS made their deal with the
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1:22:43 --> 1:22:49
FDA in approving the self proliferating
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1:22:50 --> 1:22:55
DNA basically shot the MRNA
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1:22:55 --> 1:22:59
that would be self proliferating over a person's entire life.
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1:23:00 --> 1:23:03
And so they are working together, apparently.
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1:23:04 --> 1:23:07
And that is of concern to me.
1182
1:23:08 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] is also
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1:23:12 --> 1:23:16
that high risk patients,
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1:23:17 --> 1:23:19
pregnant women are considered high risk,
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1:23:20 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]ill be on the list to get the injection.
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1:23:25 --> 1:23:30
The other concern is really kind of one of Brian's area,
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1:23:30 --> 1:23:33
and that is that the parental consent,
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1:23:34 --> 1:23:38
the CDC has hidden it in its information
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1:23:39 --> 1:23:41
that the.
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1:23:42 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] a decision
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1:23:46 --> 1:23:52
when it comes to something that is not MRNA related.
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1:23:52 --> 1:23:56
However, if it's a MRNA related injection for their child,
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1:23:57 --> 1:24:01
then it is in quotations a shared decision
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1:24:02 --> 1:24:07
by the authorities and the parents.
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1:24:08 --> 1:24:11
My concern is legally,
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1:24:11 --> 1:24:16
is there anything being done that parents can certainly come against
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1:24:17 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]s, their states
1198
1:24:22 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]en from getting these injections?
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1:24:28 --> 1:24:31
That's a lot. I know. I apologize.
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1:24:31 --> 1:24:34
Everything in our country right now,
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1:24:35 --> 1:24:38
and I think you know this, everything is state by state.
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1:24:40 --> 1:24:44
And I don't believe the federal government has come out
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1:24:44 --> 1:24:48
and made any kind of, there's no laws that are out there.
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1:24:48 --> 1:24:50
That was part of my argument.
1205
1:24:51 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]ate has their own regulations regarding vaccines,
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1:24:58 --> 1:25:04
and a lot of them depend on kind of the CDC recommendations
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1:25:04 --> 1:25:06
in terms of what the health department then takes on.
1208
1:25:07 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ates like ours in Utah right now
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1:25:11 --> 1:25:15
that allow for waivers to be for personal, medical,
1210
1:25:15 --> 1:25:18
or religious exemptions that allow you to withdraw
1211
1:25:18 --> 1:25:24
from any vaccine or any treatment, mainly vaccines.
1212
1:25:25 --> 1:25:29
They don't specifically reference mRNA vaccines,
1213
1:25:29 --> 1:25:31
but they do reference vaccines.
1214
1:25:31 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction] recently passed
1215
1:25:34 --> 1:25:36
a freedom law for that as well.
1216
1:25:37 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ates like California and New York,
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1:25:39 --> 1:25:43
and I believe Illinois are at the other end of that spectrum.
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1:25:43 --> 1:25:47
I think there's a realistic, where they don't allow any exemptions.
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1:25:48 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction] these,
1220
1:25:51 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ories of families with two autistic kids
1221
1:25:55 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ic kids,
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1:25:57 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ions.
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1:25:59 --> 1:26:02
And then they require that their kids,
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1:26:02 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] child also get the same injections.
1225
1:26:06 --> 1:26:08
And it's a travesty.
1226
1:26:09 --> 1:26:13
I don't know how they continue to do this,
1227
1:26:13 --> 1:26:15
but it's a state by state thing.
1228
1:26:15 --> 1:26:17
And I don't think the federal government has done anything
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1:26:17 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] to do it.
1230
1:26:19 --> 1:26:21
It's a state thing, and I don't think the federal government
1231
1:26:21 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] of any of that.
1232
1:26:23 --> 1:26:27
Well, I do think that it's going to be a fight with HHS,
1233
1:26:27 --> 1:26:32
because when they say one thing, that they really don't want these shots,
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1:26:32 --> 1:26:34
but yet they turn around and make this deal
1235
1:26:34 --> 1:26:38
with the self-proliferating mRNA shots
1236
1:26:39 --> 1:26:42
to be approved and moved ahead,
1237
1:26:42 --> 1:26:47
I think that we've got a big battle at HHS as well on our hands.
1238
1:26:48 --> 1:26:52
Well, I don't doubt that, but even with the HHS,
1239
1:26:52 --> 1:26:55
I mean, the problem comes with, in my opinion,
1240
1:26:56 --> 1:26:58
okay, Carl and Dean, the problem comes with
1241
1:27:00 --> 1:27:03
the HHS, CDC, FDA, everybody,
1242
1:27:04 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ually don't have lawmaking ability.
1243
1:27:07 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ate agencies
1244
1:27:10 --> 1:27:13
end up taking that information as a law.
1245
1:27:14 --> 1:27:17
So they say, hey, the CDC recommends this,
1246
1:27:17 --> 1:27:19
therefore, we are going to recommend that.
1247
1:27:20 --> 1:27:22
But even then, it's still a recommendation.
1248
1:27:22 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ates make it that way.
1249
1:27:27 --> 1:27:30
And so when somebody recommends it and then it's, you know,
1250
1:27:30 --> 1:27:33
and then they say, hey, you need to do this in order to go to school,
1251
1:27:33 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]er to hold a job, or you need to do,
1252
1:27:36 --> 1:27:41
you know, that is downstream to some degree from what the HHS says.
1253
1:27:41 --> 1:27:46
And, you know, we need to fight this on the state, local, county level.
1254
1:27:47 --> 1:27:49
And done that. I've been involved in that.
1255
1:27:49 --> 1:27:54
You know, that was part of my role in 2020, 2021 and 2022,
1256
1:27:55 --> 1:27:58
where I went and made sure that we took the power
1257
1:27:58 --> 1:28:00
out of the Salt Lake County Health Department, as an example,
1258
1:28:01 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]itute face masks for everybody.
1259
1:28:05 --> 1:28:07
Originally, they could pass an ordinance that said, hey,
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1:28:07 --> 1:28:12
you can make everybody wear a face mask in order to drive a car,
1261
1:28:12 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]ore, go to the grocery store, go to a restaurant,
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1:28:15 --> 1:28:16
do whatever it is that they needed to do.
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1:28:17 --> 1:28:18
And then we reversed that.
1264
1:28:18 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] a 30-day capacity to institute that
1265
1:28:22 --> 1:28:26
before it goes in front of our legislature to further pass that law or not.
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1:28:27 --> 1:28:31
We also passed a law that said that anybody who requires people to go to school
1267
1:28:31 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]l or anything in the state of Utah
1268
1:28:37 --> 1:28:40
that requires that or that company says that they require a vaccine.
1269
1:28:40 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] a law that says that they are also required
1270
1:28:44 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]e all three waivers.
1271
1:28:46 --> 1:28:47
You can give you...
1272
1:28:47 --> 1:28:49
If you're going to require a vaccine,
1273
1:28:49 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]y for a waiver if they want it.
1274
1:28:52 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]ate-by-state basis.
1275
1:28:55 --> 1:28:56
I agree with you.
1276
1:28:57 --> 1:29:01
We had an HHS that I thought was going to go in a completely different direction.
1277
1:29:02 --> 1:29:08
And I've seen some work towards that, but mainly,
1278
1:29:10 --> 1:29:12
again, I don't know what RFK is doing.
1279
1:29:12 --> 1:29:17
I don't know how hamstrung he is, if at all.
1280
1:29:18 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ruggle sometimes with where he's been the last 20, 25 years
1281
1:29:24 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction] him all of a sudden get into a position of power
1282
1:29:28 --> 1:29:29
where he can do that.
1283
1:29:30 --> 1:29:33
And all of a sudden, he just kind of abandons everything that he said before.
1284
1:29:34 --> 1:29:41
I can't imagine that somebody is not forcing him to kind of change things.
1285
1:29:41 --> 1:29:43
And again, I don't know.
1286
1:29:43 --> 1:29:45
I'm not there every day.
1287
1:29:46 --> 1:29:47
And I'm not putting...
1288
1:29:47 --> 1:29:49
I'm not speculating as to somebody's...
1289
1:29:50 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]uff are.
1290
1:29:52 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]ruggle with that every day.
1291
1:29:55 --> 1:30:02
You and I both know as physicians that most physicians, our peers,
1292
1:30:03 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] that the CDC, the FDA say.
1293
1:30:08 --> 1:30:11
And it might not be a law, but in their eyes,
1294
1:30:11 --> 1:30:14
it certainly is, and they intend to carry it through.
1295
1:30:14 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]rating and difficult to fight through.
1296
1:30:19 --> 1:30:24
But with each battle, we still endure and we become tougher.
1297
1:30:25 --> 1:30:27
So thank you for continuing the battle.
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1:30:27 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]an on continuing that. I'm not stopping.
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1:30:29 --> 1:30:31
Amen, brother. Amen.
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1:30:32 --> 1:30:34
That's right. All right. Keep the fight.
1301
1:30:35 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]s used to say, keep the faith and give him hell.
1302
1:30:38 --> 1:30:40
So that's exactly what I'm saying.
1303
1:30:40 --> 1:30:42
Well, they're not...
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1:30:42 --> 1:30:44
I'm not stopping what I'm doing.
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1:30:44 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] hope I don't get crosshairs with the federal government again.
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1:30:49 --> 1:30:50
Thank you. Thank you both.
1307
1:30:50 --> 1:30:53
Carladean, that's great to keep the faith and give them hell.
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1:30:54 --> 1:30:55
I like that one.
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1:30:55 --> 1:30:58
Yeah, she had a shotgun right by her bed.
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1:30:58 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]s wanted not before you went in.
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1:31:01 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]
1312
1:31:03 --> 1:31:04
So thank you, Carladean.
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1:31:04 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ing point that Jerome touched on, Kirk and Brian.
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1:31:09 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]rategy.
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1:31:12 --> 1:31:15
So the government goes full on with this shitty behaviour.
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1:31:16 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]op the case for whatever reason.
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1:31:19 --> 1:31:22
It's a miracle. It is a miracle because it's unprecedented.
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1:31:22 --> 1:31:23
That's the definition of a miracle.
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1:31:25 --> 1:31:29
And then psychologically, Kirk, it's really easy and Brian to go,
1320
1:31:30 --> 1:31:33
we won that. Now we'll just get on with our lives.
1321
1:31:33 --> 1:31:37
And so the government takes this big jump, comes back a little bit
1322
1:31:37 --> 1:31:40
and we've lost all these rights.
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1:31:40 --> 1:31:45
And it's good to have Jerome say,
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1:31:45 --> 1:31:49
come on, you know, after a month or two or three, gird your loins.
1325
1:31:49 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] to prosecute, and the comments are made in the chat,
1326
1:31:53 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]oyees who behave badly.
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1:31:58 --> 1:31:59
Otherwise, they'll keep doing it.
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1:32:00 --> 1:32:04
And so it's just to say, just a reminder in the way that we think
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1:32:04 --> 1:32:05
about these matters.
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1:32:06 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] a comment, Jeremiah.
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1:32:09 --> 1:32:10
Welcome.
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1:32:12 --> 1:32:13
Yep.
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1:32:13 --> 1:32:16
Oh, you're muted, Jeremiah. You're muted.
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1:32:17 --> 1:32:18
Oh, sorry, I muted myself.
1335
1:32:18 --> 1:32:20
Yeah, thanks, everyone, for being here.
1336
1:32:20 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] Kirk Moore on Friday
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1:32:22 --> 1:32:26
on my medical freedom focused radio show called The Baseline.
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1:32:26 --> 1:32:29
So I put that in the chat. It was a really good conversation.
1339
1:32:29 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] Kirk Moore file.
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1:32:33 --> 1:32:35
There's a bunch of questions I'd like to ask,
1341
1:32:35 --> 1:32:39
but I'm just going to focus in on something that Dr. Moore said earlier,
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1:32:40 --> 1:32:44
which is pertaining to the COVID disease itself.
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1:32:45 --> 1:32:51
I continue to research, to question, to ponder.
1344
1:32:51 --> 1:32:56
I'm very confused still as to what COVID was,
1345
1:32:56 --> 1:32:59
because there's a lot of people who jump right to the statement
1346
1:32:59 --> 1:33:02
of there was no virus, and that's easy enough to say.
1347
1:33:02 --> 1:33:06
But then there's a number of people who say they got sick,
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1:33:06 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]
1349
1:33:09 --> 1:33:11
It wasn't a normal cold, quote unquote,
1350
1:33:11 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]e
1351
1:33:13 --> 1:33:17
who didn't buy into the narrative, they're under the impression they got COVID.
1352
1:33:17 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] their family members to COVID.
1353
1:33:20 --> 1:33:21
I mean, there's a lot of different things.
1354
1:33:21 --> 1:33:27
I spoke to an emergency service, emergency,
1355
1:33:28 --> 1:33:32
you know, what is it EMT, emergency medical technician,
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1:33:32 --> 1:33:35
who said that the thing that they noticed when COVID was announced
1357
1:33:35 --> 1:33:40
was extremely low blood oxygen levels, like they had never seen before.
1358
1:33:41 --> 1:33:44
And then that introduced the term happy hypoxia.
1359
1:33:45 --> 1:33:51
But I'm just still wondering, I'm still baffled as to what was COVID, frankly?
1360
1:33:51 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ually think it was?
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1:33:55 --> 1:33:57
You know, there's also the question of,
1362
1:33:58 --> 1:34:02
to sort of support what I'm saying,
1363
1:34:02 --> 1:34:07
many, many examples of people who were unable to spread COVID
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1:34:07 --> 1:34:13
within their own households, people who they got sick, they got tested,
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1:34:13 --> 1:34:17
they said you're COVID positive, and no one else in the household got sick.
1366
1:34:17 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] of many of these cases, which then raises the question,
1367
1:34:20 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] around the world
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1:34:23 --> 1:34:25
and then not spread in a room?
1369
1:34:25 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ions
1370
1:34:27 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ion,
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1:34:30 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ually?
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1:34:33 --> 1:34:35
In your opinion, Dr. Moore?
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1:34:36 --> 1:34:38
You know, my...
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1:34:39 --> 1:34:42
I'll go back to what Charles put up there
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1:34:43 --> 1:34:45
with that advertisement that's in the newspaper.
1376
1:34:45 --> 1:34:50
Runny nose, I don't even think he mentioned fever,
1377
1:34:50 --> 1:34:55
he's mentioned runny nose, cough, maybe a little bit of malaise.
1378
1:34:57 --> 1:34:58
That's what COVID is.
1379
1:34:58 --> 1:35:01
There was never any differentiation
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1:35:01 --> 1:35:09
from any other disease, cold feeling that we had in our...
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1:35:09 --> 1:35:16
You know, in January of 2020 or in July of 2025.
1382
1:35:17 --> 1:35:19
So it's never been well defined.
1383
1:35:20 --> 1:35:26
And that's part of the argument that I've had all along.
1384
1:35:27 --> 1:35:29
There is no definition of the disease.
1385
1:35:30 --> 1:35:33
There's... Everybody gets runny noses,
1386
1:35:33 --> 1:35:36
everybody gets malaise, everybody gets a little fever.
1387
1:35:37 --> 1:35:39
And it's...
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1:35:40 --> 1:35:42
It's just a part of life.
1389
1:35:43 --> 1:35:50
And that's where you have the people that claim that it's a terrain issue,
1390
1:35:50 --> 1:35:55
and make claims that there are no viruses that are out there.
1391
1:35:56 --> 1:36:01
And that, you know, we're putting a...
1392
1:36:03 --> 1:36:06
We're defining something that can't be defined
1393
1:36:06 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] for the reason that they're trying to implement something else.
1394
1:36:11 --> 1:36:13
And this is what I've been saying for years,
1395
1:36:13 --> 1:36:17
is that COVID itself, the disease,
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1:36:18 --> 1:36:21
was developed to launch the vaccine.
1397
1:36:21 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]
1398
1:36:22 --> 1:36:24
And it's...
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1:36:25 --> 1:36:27
I personally don't think it ever existed.
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1:36:28 --> 1:36:30
And like I said earlier, I don't know if you were here
1401
1:36:30 --> 1:36:32
at the very beginning of my discussion,
1402
1:36:33 --> 1:36:37
we were talking about there were 44 total cases worldwide
1403
1:36:38 --> 1:36:41
of confirmed COVID at the end of January and one death.
1404
1:36:42 --> 1:36:45
And we had already declared an emergency,
1405
1:36:45 --> 1:36:48
not a public health emergency of international concern like they did,
1406
1:36:48 --> 1:36:52
but the World Health Organization on January 12th or something
1407
1:36:52 --> 1:36:54
had already declared an emergency
1408
1:36:54 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]e flying in and trying to do all of this stuff.
1409
1:36:59 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ive analysis
1410
1:37:02 --> 1:37:04
with Event 201, Operation Lockstep,
1411
1:37:05 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]uff that's happened over the years.
1412
1:37:08 --> 1:37:11
It was all a training exercise to get us to where we are now.
1413
1:37:12 --> 1:37:16
And that's my personal opinion.
1414
1:37:17 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ed, it doesn't exist, there's nothing out there.
1415
1:37:21 --> 1:37:25
And all we're doing by continuing to talk about it
1416
1:37:25 --> 1:37:28
is to continue to perpetuate that narrative,
1417
1:37:28 --> 1:37:30
which is only going to benefit them in the long run.
1418
1:37:30 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction], Kavik.
1419
1:37:32 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction] say one thing? I'll do it in 30 seconds.
1420
1:37:35 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ion, Jeremiah,
1421
1:37:37 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]or,
1422
1:37:39 --> 1:37:40
and we can discuss this,
1423
1:37:41 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ion is that, first of all,
1424
1:37:44 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction] was fraudulent from beginning to end.
1425
1:37:47 --> 1:37:50
And the inventor of the PCR technique,
1426
1:37:51 --> 1:37:55
Kerry Mullis, died, had to be killed, in my opinion,
1427
1:37:55 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction] of 2019.
1428
1:37:58 --> 1:38:02
And he was saying that my technique, the PCR technique,
1429
1:38:02 --> 1:38:05
which he won the Nobel Prize for in chemistry in 1993
1430
1:38:05 --> 1:38:07
for the discovery in 1983,
1431
1:38:07 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]ic tool
1432
1:38:12 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]ess.
1433
1:38:14 --> 1:38:18
But we know that Kerry Mullis was also doubting the AIDS narrative.
1434
1:38:18 --> 1:38:21
So if you think of AIDS as a false diagnosis,
1435
1:38:21 --> 1:38:24
and COVID was another false diagnosis,
1436
1:38:25 --> 1:38:27
so he knew what he was talking about.
1437
1:38:27 --> 1:38:32
He had to die before the beginning of 2020,
1438
1:38:32 --> 1:38:35
because the pandemic could not, the so-called pandemic,
1439
1:38:35 --> 1:38:38
the so-called pandemic could not have occurred without him.
1440
1:38:38 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]ion, the diagnosis of COVID-19 was false.
1441
1:38:42 --> 1:38:44
I knew it was false in 2020.
1442
1:38:45 --> 1:38:48
I couldn't believe that all my doctor friends couldn't see it.
1443
1:38:49 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]ain to them that,
1444
1:38:54 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] of all, the PCR test was fraudulent.
1445
1:38:57 --> 1:39:00
That was used to create the COVID cases,
1446
1:39:00 --> 1:39:04
to essentially create the fear to create the pandemic.
1447
1:39:04 --> 1:39:08
So it wasn't about, we don't need to know about the virus,
1448
1:39:08 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]
1449
1:39:10 --> 1:39:13
We do need to negate what they've said,
1450
1:39:13 --> 1:39:16
which was that there was a pandemic in 2020,
1451
1:39:16 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]s of these variants coming afterwards.
1452
1:39:23 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] nonsense.
1453
1:39:24 --> 1:39:27
The whole thing was a fraud from beginning to end.
1454
1:39:27 --> 1:39:29
And the other thing is that clinically,
1455
1:39:30 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] to diagnose these illnesses,
1456
1:39:33 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction],
1457
1:39:38 --> 1:39:43
they couldn't justify it because they hadn't got a single symptom,
1458
1:39:43 --> 1:39:48
which was pathognomonic or peculiar for COVID-19.
1459
1:39:48 --> 1:39:51
So what they said was COVID-19, could have been flu,
1460
1:39:52 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] been pneumonia, it could have been the common cold.
1461
1:39:57 --> 1:39:59
And so I don't know whether that's helped you,
1462
1:39:59 --> 1:40:02
but they said that they were talking about the oxygen measurements,
1463
1:40:03 --> 1:40:04
never seen such low...
1464
1:40:04 --> 1:40:06
Look, they didn't do those oxygen measurements
1465
1:40:07 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]icing proper medicine.
1466
1:40:09 --> 1:40:11
That is a recent thing.
1467
1:40:12 --> 1:40:14
Yeah, very interesting.
1468
1:40:14 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]ain to you...
1469
1:40:17 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]and this if you're running a podcast.
1470
1:40:20 --> 1:40:25
It's very important because it's the way that we can tell the world,
1471
1:40:25 --> 1:40:27
change public opinion about what's happened.
1472
1:40:27 --> 1:40:29
There was no pandemic, they need to understand that.
1473
1:40:29 --> 1:40:30
Otherwise...
1474
1:40:31 --> 1:40:36
And furthermore, I don't think that it's possible for pandemics to occur.
1475
1:40:36 --> 1:40:37
All right, on we go.
1476
1:40:38 --> 1:40:39
Jeremiah, thank you.
1477
1:40:39 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]
1478
1:40:41 --> 1:40:42
I will.
1479
1:40:42 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to say quickly in response to those comments
1480
1:40:45 --> 1:40:47
that there is sort of ongoing issues
1481
1:40:47 --> 1:40:49
in terms of the clarification of this matter,
1482
1:40:49 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]e, you have medical freedom doctors
1483
1:40:53 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]anding, outspoken medical freedom...
1484
1:40:56 --> 1:40:58
They don't understand. I'm sorry, Jeremiah.
1485
1:40:58 --> 1:41:02
We've talked to hundreds of witnesses on this channel.
1486
1:41:02 --> 1:41:03
Right.
1487
1:41:03 --> 1:41:04
And yeah.
1488
1:41:04 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] to...
1489
1:41:06 --> 1:41:07
I'm not saying they're correct or incorrect.
1490
1:41:07 --> 1:41:11
I'm just saying that people who are very aware of PCR fraud on the one hand,
1491
1:41:11 --> 1:41:15
then saying, well, I treated thousands of COVID patients.
1492
1:41:15 --> 1:41:16
Yeah, absolutely.
1493
1:41:16 --> 1:41:17
It's inconsistent.
1494
1:41:17 --> 1:41:18
PCR fraud?
1495
1:41:18 --> 1:41:20
I absolutely agree with you. It's inconsistent.
1496
1:41:20 --> 1:41:22
And then there's also one other little thing I'd like to add,
1497
1:41:23 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]e, they don't want to get caught in the no virus camp.
1498
1:41:27 --> 1:41:30
And then they say, well, I think there was a novel virus,
1499
1:41:30 --> 1:41:32
but it wasn't as bad as they say.
1500
1:41:32 --> 1:41:35
At which point I say, well, then how do you identify it as novel?
1501
1:41:35 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]erizes a new type of cold?
1502
1:41:38 --> 1:41:40
Why do we say novel virus for this little virus
1503
1:41:41 --> 1:41:42
that wasn't as bad as people say,
1504
1:41:43 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ed?
1505
1:41:45 --> 1:41:46
Absolutely.
1506
1:41:46 --> 1:41:47
Yeah, absolutely.
1507
1:41:47 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]uff that they were putting about,
1508
1:41:50 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ayed into the narrative
1509
1:41:53 --> 1:41:58
of creating further fear of endless leaks from local labs.
1510
1:41:59 --> 1:42:00
I'm sorry.
1511
1:42:00 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] ask you that one little thing to clarify with you,
1512
1:42:02 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] so I think that's really fascinating.
1513
1:42:04 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ion discussion
1514
1:42:07 --> 1:42:09
was to create a paper trail?
1515
1:42:09 --> 1:42:13
And it's not pertaining to a physical virus that we would be concerned about?
1516
1:42:13 --> 1:42:14
So my personal opinion,
1517
1:42:14 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]arted to mention that in the Senate and elsewhere,
1518
1:42:19 --> 1:42:20
I thought, oh, here we go.
1519
1:42:21 --> 1:42:24
They're going to use this about the gain of function
1520
1:42:24 --> 1:42:28
to further escalate the fear
1521
1:42:28 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]rengthen the false narrative.
1522
1:42:32 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]e,
1523
1:42:34 --> 1:42:37
so JJ Cooey was telling me that he didn't think
1524
1:42:37 --> 1:42:40
that it was possible for them to do what they were claiming to do
1525
1:42:41 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ion research.
1526
1:42:43 --> 1:42:48
But the point is, whether it's in a lab or whether it's naturally occurring,
1527
1:42:48 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] to spread it around the world.
1528
1:42:50 --> 1:42:52
And we were taught at medical school,
1529
1:42:52 --> 1:42:56
a deadly virus, if you believe in viruses, kills its host.
1530
1:42:57 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]s, it can't spread.
1531
1:42:59 --> 1:43:03
A weak virus, on the other hand, can spread.
1532
1:43:03 --> 1:43:05
But it doesn't last for a week.
1533
1:43:05 --> 1:43:07
We've got a lot of heads up.
1534
1:43:07 --> 1:43:08
Thank you, Jeremiah.
1535
1:43:09 --> 1:43:10
Thank you.
1536
1:43:11 --> 1:43:13
That's right, Jeremiah.
1537
1:43:14 --> 1:43:15
Ron.
1538
1:43:15 --> 1:43:16
Oh, dear.
1539
1:43:17 --> 1:43:18
Hello, everybody.
1540
1:43:18 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to introduce Jeremiah.
1541
1:43:20 --> 1:43:24
He's produced 101 interviews,
1542
1:43:24 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]e.
1543
1:43:26 --> 1:43:29
I've wanted him to come on this platform
1544
1:43:30 --> 1:43:35
so he can share with you guys what he's done the past couple years.
1545
1:43:35 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction], just wanted to say hello, Dr. Moore.
1546
1:43:39 --> 1:43:42
I know that you and I, we've communicated, we've DMed.
1547
1:43:42 --> 1:43:44
It's nice to see you in person.
1548
1:43:44 --> 1:43:49
And your attorney is Brian Barnhill, am I correct?
1549
1:43:49 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
1550
1:43:53 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] seen
1551
1:43:56 --> 1:44:01
was a social media message from the attorney general.
1552
1:44:01 --> 1:44:07
Has there been something official in writing from the attorney general,
1553
1:44:07 --> 1:44:09
citing some sort of case law,
1554
1:44:09 --> 1:44:13
some sort of federal prosecution,
1555
1:44:13 --> 1:44:19
overreaching something where it could be used by other people,
1556
1:44:19 --> 1:44:21
other physicians in similar situations
1557
1:44:22 --> 1:44:26
or in situations whereby to prove,
1558
1:44:26 --> 1:44:31
well, the feds are not, have dismissed this case.
1559
1:44:33 --> 1:44:36
You can use that somehow as a foundation moving forward.
1560
1:44:36 --> 1:44:38
I'm wondering if there's something in writing
1561
1:44:38 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] that Bondi issued
1562
1:44:44 --> 1:44:46
when she dismissed the case.
1563
1:44:48 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]ive, I haven't seen anything.
1564
1:44:51 --> 1:44:56
I know that there was a signed motion in our court
1565
1:44:56 --> 1:45:00
by our federal judge, I believe, Brian, correct?
1566
1:45:00 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]ly from her, I have not seen anything in writing,
1567
1:45:04 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]ing our US attorney's office here to do anything.
1568
1:45:09 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] anything there for Brian?
1569
1:45:11 --> 1:45:16
Well, the only thing we had was the phone call that Saturday morning
1570
1:45:16 --> 1:45:18
where the three US attorneys were on the phone
1571
1:45:19 --> 1:45:22
indicating that they'd received word from the attorney general,
1572
1:45:22 --> 1:45:24
Penn Bondi, to dismiss the case.
1573
1:45:24 --> 1:45:27
And that's the only thing we got was a phone call.
1574
1:45:27 --> 1:45:31
And then apart from that, the formality of going through the motion to dismiss
1575
1:45:31 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]er, those are all on the court docket.
1576
1:45:34 --> 1:45:41
So the no citation of nothing, nothing you guys can take with you to use,
1577
1:45:41 --> 1:45:42
that's unfortunate.
1578
1:45:45 --> 1:45:50
Right. And because it's unprecedented, I don't know that there would have...
1579
1:45:50 --> 1:45:54
I'm trying to think in my mind of what they could have provided
1580
1:45:54 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]ive, but given the urgency of it,
1581
1:45:57 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction] the apparent urgency of it since it was in trial,
1582
1:46:01 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction] means to get it communicated was through the phone call.
1583
1:46:08 --> 1:46:12
Do you think it's something that you, the attorney, could ask,
1584
1:46:12 --> 1:46:16
Beji, or would you feel like it would be pushing it at this juncture?
1585
1:46:18 --> 1:46:21
Well, my personal opinion is probably too late.
1586
1:46:21 --> 1:46:23
This is one of those things where they've acted quickly,
1587
1:46:23 --> 1:46:24
they've given the directive.
1588
1:46:25 --> 1:46:29
I'm not opposed to asking for something from her in writing,
1589
1:46:29 --> 1:46:31
but I don't know that she would respond.
1590
1:46:31 --> 1:46:34
I think she's on to other things at this point. That's my speculation.
1591
1:46:37 --> 1:46:38
Thank you.
1592
1:46:39 --> 1:46:41
Thank you. Thank you, Ron.
1593
1:46:41 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]ions. Laura.
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1:46:51 --> 1:46:53
Here she comes.
1595
1:46:53 --> 1:46:54
Hi, Charles.
1596
1:46:54 --> 1:46:57
Laura, I love it to see you. One of our presenters here, Kirk, as you know.
1597
1:46:57 --> 1:46:58
Yes.
1598
1:47:00 --> 1:47:03
Hi, Dr. Moore. Thank you so much, Charles and Stephen,
1599
1:47:04 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]e here.
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1:47:07 --> 1:47:11
Dr. Moore, we've texted, and I'm an encourager,
1601
1:47:11 --> 1:47:16
I send you encouraging texts, but when I heard your story,
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1:47:18 --> 1:47:21
I had written to you that, you know,
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1:47:21 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]ories about you
1604
1:47:24 --> 1:47:27
and they will tell their kids about you.
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1:47:27 --> 1:47:30
And I think there'll be, you know, a book or a movie there should be anyway,
1606
1:47:30 --> 1:47:34
because, you know, this won't be the first time
1607
1:47:34 --> 1:47:37
that I would say the dark side tries such a thing.
1608
1:47:38 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]e,
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1:47:42 --> 1:47:43
it had such integrity.
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1:47:43 --> 1:47:47
And to me, you are a Schindler, you are an Irina Schindler.
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1:47:47 --> 1:47:49
You know, she falsified documents,
1612
1:47:49 --> 1:47:51
had all her arms and legs broken,
1613
1:47:51 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]d over 2,[privacy contact redaction]en like you.
1614
1:47:56 --> 1:48:00
So, anyway, your inspiration,
1615
1:48:00 --> 1:48:03
I don't mean to be emotional, but...
1616
1:48:05 --> 1:48:07
And I wanted to...
1617
1:48:07 --> 1:48:11
I also wanted to tell you, I'm so encouraged
1618
1:48:11 --> 1:48:13
that even after all you've been through,
1619
1:48:14 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]ill want to crush the gene therapy vaccines,
1620
1:48:20 --> 1:48:23
that you're not curling up in a ball
1621
1:48:23 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]icking your neck out there again.
1622
1:48:26 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] fills me with such hope.
1623
1:48:29 --> 1:48:33
And then finally, I do want to plant the seed.
1624
1:48:35 --> 1:48:39
I know, you know, you don't know the...
1625
1:48:39 --> 1:48:41
I'm not... My stuff isn't out there very...
1626
1:48:41 --> 1:48:44
I don't have social media or that kind of thing.
1627
1:48:44 --> 1:48:49
But we've got eight counties that have signed resolutions
1628
1:48:49 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] the...
1629
1:48:52 --> 1:48:56
Really, not just the COVID vaccine, but gene therapies as well.
1630
1:48:56 --> 1:49:00
It kind of... And they've demanded forensics investigation,
1631
1:49:00 --> 1:49:02
health audit of Idaho,
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1:49:02 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]ate.
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1:49:05 --> 1:49:06
And it's, you know, basically,
1634
1:49:07 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]rate level.
1635
1:49:09 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] had immense success
1636
1:49:13 --> 1:49:15
in his county up in Nez Perce,
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1:49:15 --> 1:49:20
where he has demanded the data,
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1:49:20 --> 1:49:23
the death data and the vaccine data in Idaho.
1639
1:49:23 --> 1:49:27
And they are in conversation with our health and welfare.
1640
1:49:27 --> 1:49:31
Now, I just wanted to plant the seed.
1641
1:49:31 --> 1:49:36
If... Sorry about my crazy Jack Russell in the background.
1642
1:49:36 --> 1:49:41
But I'm hoping for a moratorium bill again this year.
1643
1:49:41 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] year.
1644
1:49:44 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]ant the seed.
1645
1:49:45 --> 1:49:48
You know, if you want to be someone in the testimony for us
1646
1:49:49 --> 1:49:52
in the Senate committee hearing when we get there again, and we will.
1647
1:49:52 --> 1:49:54
And then I'm also trying to collaborate
1648
1:49:54 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]opping moratorium or banned bills
1649
1:49:59 --> 1:50:01
in different fashions this year
1650
1:50:01 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] kind of...
1651
1:50:03 --> 1:50:07
Working with my science team, you know, Nick Colcher, Dr. Wiseman,
1652
1:50:07 --> 1:50:11
Dr. Parks, Sasha Laripova, a lot of just amazing people.
1653
1:50:11 --> 1:50:13
They're amazing. I'm just kind of the...
1654
1:50:13 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction]er.
1655
1:50:15 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction], I just...
1656
1:50:17 --> 1:50:19
You don't have to say yes or anything now,
1657
1:50:19 --> 1:50:20
but I'll just start my persistence
1658
1:50:20 --> 1:50:23
and, you know, bug you a little bit down the road.
1659
1:50:24 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction], God bless you.
1660
1:50:25 --> 1:50:27
Well, thank you.
1661
1:50:27 --> 1:50:29
I really appreciate those comments.
1662
1:50:29 --> 1:50:30
Thanks very much.
1663
1:50:31 --> 1:50:33
I'd certainly be more than happy to testify.
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1:50:33 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction]ice out in Idaho,
1665
1:50:35 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] a...
1666
1:50:37 --> 1:50:41
You know, I have a warm feeling
1667
1:50:41 --> 1:50:43
and a nice feeling about Idaho. I like it.
1668
1:50:43 --> 1:50:47
And so I'd be more than happy to help out in any way I can.
1669
1:50:47 --> 1:50:49
And I'm not that far away, so...
1670
1:50:50 --> 1:50:51
No, you're not.
1671
1:50:52 --> 1:50:53
And I'm good friends with Bre.
1672
1:50:53 --> 1:50:54
I'm a volunteer at React 19.
1673
1:50:54 --> 1:50:57
So she's an angel.
1674
1:50:57 --> 1:50:59
Utah's lucky to have her.
1675
1:50:59 --> 1:51:00
Yes, we are.
1676
1:51:00 --> 1:51:02
Okay. Well, thank you, Laura. Appreciate it.
1677
1:51:02 --> 1:51:04
Thank you, sir. Thank you so much.
1678
1:51:04 --> 1:51:07
Well done, Laura, on your herding of scientists.
1679
1:51:07 --> 1:51:10
That's a brilliant line, the herder of scientists.
1680
1:51:10 --> 1:51:12
Love it. Great job.
1681
1:51:12 --> 1:51:13
Thanks, Charles.
1682
1:51:13 --> 1:51:16
Okay. Now, was Jim, were you before Alan
1683
1:51:17 --> 1:51:18
or was it vice versa?
1684
1:51:18 --> 1:51:20
So Alan, be...
1685
1:51:20 --> 1:51:23
Jim, what was your first impression of the city?
1686
1:51:23 --> 1:51:25
I think it was the city of Utah.
1687
1:51:25 --> 1:51:27
Jim, what was it?
1688
1:51:30 --> 1:51:33
All right, Alan, you go and then Jim.
1689
1:51:34 --> 1:51:37
Okay. Thank you.
1690
1:51:37 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]ing.
1691
1:51:39 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction], really scientist,
1692
1:51:46 --> 1:51:51
that has been hypothesizing about what is COVID since 2020
1693
1:51:51 --> 1:51:54
when my boyfriend got it.
1694
1:51:54 --> 1:51:58
And I think he got it from vaccines
1695
1:51:58 --> 1:52:01
that he was encouraged to take
1696
1:52:01 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]-oriented guy in January.
1697
1:52:06 --> 1:52:13
And as soon as he took this MMR and the other one, a shingles,
1698
1:52:13 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction], you know, and kind of a brain fog.
1699
1:52:17 --> 1:52:21
And then by March, by February,
1700
1:52:22 --> 1:52:25
he got... He had no smell.
1701
1:52:25 --> 1:52:29
He couldn't eat. He lost 40 pounds.
1702
1:52:29 --> 1:52:33
So these are unique symptoms, you know, of COVID.
1703
1:52:33 --> 1:52:35
No, they're not, Alan. But anyway...
1704
1:52:35 --> 1:52:36
Okay. Okay.
1705
1:52:37 --> 1:52:40
But, you know, my hypothesis that I started studying,
1706
1:52:40 --> 1:52:43
you know, they said, I live in Chicago, go home,
1707
1:52:43 --> 1:52:46
you know, put on a mask, don't go out for weeks, you know,
1708
1:52:46 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]arted reading everything I could
1709
1:52:49 --> 1:52:53
and watching all these documentaries about genetics,
1710
1:52:53 --> 1:52:56
you know, the T-shelves...
1711
1:52:56 --> 1:52:59
Okay, so the question is, I'm getting in, you know,
1712
1:52:59 --> 1:53:02
so I've got three points I've wanted to bring,
1713
1:53:02 --> 1:53:04
you know, regarding earlier questions.
1714
1:53:05 --> 1:53:06
One is, what is COVID?
1715
1:53:06 --> 1:53:10
I think it's vaccine-induced AIDS, basically.
1716
1:53:10 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction] researched, knowing that it's biological warfare created,
1717
1:53:16 --> 1:53:19
you know, at Fort Detrick, you know, went to Wuhan,
1718
1:53:20 --> 1:53:23
but we know back in 2004, in the 90s,
1719
1:53:23 --> 1:53:26
that the Department of Defense, NIAID...
1720
1:53:26 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]ion, Alan.
1721
1:53:28 --> 1:53:31
Okay. Okay. These are hypotheses I'm putting out there.
1722
1:53:31 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]e could agree.
1723
1:53:33 --> 1:53:34
Okay. Right. Okay.
1724
1:53:34 --> 1:53:39
So does anybody else agree that this could have been biologically developed
1725
1:53:39 --> 1:53:43
warfare, AIDS, back as it was in the 90s?
1726
1:53:43 --> 1:53:45
The other thing is the research.
1727
1:53:45 --> 1:53:47
Does anyone else agree that...
1728
1:53:47 --> 1:53:49
No, it's not anyone else's.
1729
1:53:49 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]ion should be for Kirk or his lawyer.
1730
1:53:52 --> 1:53:55
Okay. Okay. Kirk and the lawyers.
1731
1:53:55 --> 1:53:59
Then that, you know, one was the CDC
1732
1:53:59 --> 1:54:03
was run by a communications of, you know, propaganda.
1733
1:54:03 --> 1:54:07
It was all... We know the public relations agencies,
1734
1:54:07 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction] the law for public relations agencies to be operating.
1735
1:54:11 --> 1:54:13
Okay. And here's the third one.
1736
1:54:13 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction] Society?
1737
1:54:17 --> 1:54:20
And, you know, why are these things at the state level?
1738
1:54:20 --> 1:54:23
For one thing, because it was pushed that way,
1739
1:54:23 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]y.
1740
1:54:27 --> 1:54:30
They've given themselves total immunity.
1741
1:54:31 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]ate, you know,
1742
1:54:35 --> 1:54:37
if they're sovereign to make these decisions,
1743
1:54:37 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]y is...
1744
1:54:40 --> 1:54:43
You can't prosecute a prosecutor.
1745
1:54:43 --> 1:54:47
That's what they're trying to overturn now with the Ku Klux Klan Act.
1746
1:54:47 --> 1:54:50
And, you know, regarding Jerome Corsi's suggestion,
1747
1:54:50 --> 1:54:52
it sounds like a great idea,
1748
1:54:52 --> 1:54:55
but, you know, it has to be done at the state level,
1749
1:54:55 --> 1:54:59
which is something we are doing at the truthactionproject.org.
1750
1:54:59 --> 1:55:01
Every Tuesday, we are bringing...
1751
1:55:01 --> 1:55:04
One guy came up with... We bring in speakers.
1752
1:55:04 --> 1:55:06
I think he'd be a great speaker.
1753
1:55:06 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction] get this one idea in?
1754
1:55:09 --> 1:55:13
That a guy named Carl Schmitz is putting together
1755
1:55:13 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction] that's going to win.
1756
1:55:16 --> 1:55:20
That's our goal, to focus together, to bring all our thoughts,
1757
1:55:20 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]ess these things as deep state events,
1758
1:55:24 --> 1:55:26
COVID, 9-11, the JFK.
1759
1:55:27 --> 1:55:30
But why, you know, why none of these have been brought to justice?
1760
1:55:30 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]ice Department is fraudulent,
1761
1:55:33 --> 1:55:34
but you can't prosecute it,
1762
1:55:34 --> 1:55:37
as well as the CIA.
1763
1:55:37 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]er 12333,
1764
1:55:40 --> 1:55:42
that said that they would not prosecute themselves,
1765
1:55:43 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction] That's it. Thank you.
1766
1:55:45 --> 1:55:47
Comments, whatever.
1767
1:55:54 --> 1:55:58
I've heard of a lot of the things that you were talking about, Alan.
1768
1:55:58 --> 1:56:02
I think it's a much bigger question
1769
1:56:02 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ess right now.
1770
1:56:06 --> 1:56:10
I think I've said my piece in terms of what I...
1771
1:56:11 --> 1:56:13
What the...
1772
1:56:13 --> 1:56:17
The prosecutorial side of this whole thing,
1773
1:56:17 --> 1:56:20
I didn't feel like it was a federal jurisdiction.
1774
1:56:20 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] been handled at the state level,
1775
1:56:22 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ess this,
1776
1:56:24 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] had to do it.
1777
1:56:26 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ess this,
1778
1:56:28 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ess it this way.
1779
1:56:32 --> 1:56:38
But those other things
1780
1:56:38 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ing going after your prosecutors,
1781
1:56:42 --> 1:56:45
I personally believe that if somebody does something illegal,
1782
1:56:46 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] evidence of them having done it,
1783
1:56:48 --> 1:56:53
they set themselves up for liability.
1784
1:56:54 --> 1:56:56
They should.
1785
1:56:58 --> 1:57:01
All right. Thank you, Alan.
1786
1:57:01 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ing thinking,
1787
1:57:05 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ing ideas,
1788
1:57:07 --> 1:57:09
and we don't have time to go through all those ideas,
1789
1:57:09 --> 1:57:12
but certainly very provocative. Thank you, Alan.
1790
1:57:13 --> 1:57:15
Jim is next, and Marv.
1791
1:57:19 --> 1:57:21
Hey, Kirk. Great presentation,
1792
1:57:21 --> 1:57:23
and thanks very much for all you've done
1793
1:57:24 --> 1:57:27
on behalf of every other physician who is in your same situation,
1794
1:57:27 --> 1:57:30
but maybe not as public.
1795
1:57:30 --> 1:57:33
The issue is, it looks like the Department of Defense,
1796
1:57:33 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]opped this case,
1797
1:57:37 --> 1:57:39
maybe not because of all the public pressure,
1798
1:57:39 --> 1:57:41
but because of the witnesses that came up
1799
1:57:41 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]arted talking about safety and efficacy
1800
1:57:44 --> 1:57:47
of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein vaccine
1801
1:57:47 --> 1:57:51
that may be fraudulent.
1802
1:57:51 --> 1:57:54
It is not safe, it is not efficacious,
1803
1:57:54 --> 1:57:58
and the Department of Defense, HHS, know it.
1804
1:57:58 --> 1:58:01
And I believe that that's why,
1805
1:58:01 --> 1:58:05
that may be more of a reason why Pam Bondi dropped the case.
1806
1:58:06 --> 1:58:07
Can you expound on that?
1807
1:58:07 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ephen Hatfield's case
1808
1:58:11 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ephen Hatfield was falsely prosecuted
1809
1:58:14 --> 1:58:17
as being the guy who released anthrax
1810
1:58:17 --> 1:58:19
when it wasn't Stephen Hatfield,
1811
1:58:19 --> 1:58:23
and he won $5.[privacy contact redaction] the government
1812
1:58:23 --> 1:58:25
for false prosecution?
1813
1:58:25 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ephen Hatfield's case.
1814
1:58:27 --> 1:58:29
I do not know the particulars about it.
1815
1:58:29 --> 1:58:31
I probably wouldn't have been able to tell you
1816
1:58:31 --> 1:58:33
that he'd won that much money or what the value was,
1817
1:58:34 --> 1:58:37
but I know that he had turned around and prosecuted them,
1818
1:58:37 --> 1:58:39
or he turned around and accused them
1819
1:58:39 --> 1:58:42
of malicious prosecution and he won.
1820
1:58:42 --> 1:58:47
But as far as, you know, I'd be fully speculating,
1821
1:58:48 --> 1:58:52
we had, we did agree, I think I said this earlier,
1822
1:58:52 --> 1:58:55
we did agree that the prosecution had overstepped
1823
1:58:55 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]e of occasions with their claims of benefits
1824
1:59:00 --> 1:59:01
of the vaccine and how much, you know,
1825
1:59:01 --> 1:59:05
kind of the COVID vaccine had helped,
1826
1:59:05 --> 1:59:07
you know, cut down on mortality.
1827
1:59:07 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]e of things
1828
1:59:10 --> 1:59:14
and cross-examination on him to get to completely impeach him
1829
1:59:14 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] him the absolute numbers
1830
1:59:16 --> 1:59:19
that were CDC numbers of the total deaths in 2020
1831
1:59:19 --> 1:59:21
versus the total deaths in 2021,
1832
1:59:21 --> 1:59:25
which showed a 12 or 14% increase in deaths,
1833
1:59:25 --> 1:59:34
or 380,000 in 2020 and 460,000 or something like that in 2021.
1834
1:59:34 --> 1:59:39
So that was the limit of where we could essentially go
1835
1:59:39 --> 1:59:44
was to cross-examine him directly on the statements that he made.
1836
1:59:45 --> 1:59:50
And, you know, Brian might be able to kind of more eloquently speak
1837
1:59:50 --> 1:59:58
to how we came to a truce, I guess,
1838
1:59:58 --> 1:59:59
in terms of how this was going.
1839
2:00:01 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction] that they'd opened the door.
1840
2:00:04 --> 2:00:07
They'd opened the door on their opening statement
1841
2:00:07 --> 2:00:13
and then they opened it again on that, you know,
1842
2:00:13 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction] examination of Chris Duggar.
1843
2:00:18 --> 2:00:22
And I believe they even kind of crossed the line a little bit
1844
2:00:23 --> 2:00:25
with Gary Disbrow.
1845
2:00:26 --> 2:00:31
They specifically did not bring in the DOD contract
1846
2:00:32 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ates that he was intimately involved in negotiating.
1847
2:00:38 --> 2:00:41
And there was, you know, I never saw the contract.
1848
2:00:43 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ed version of it that was denied.
1849
2:00:49 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction] the attorneys only a license to look at it.
1850
2:00:55 --> 2:00:59
And they decided that even prior to that contract coming to us,
1851
2:00:59 --> 2:01:02
they'd already kind of said, well, we're probably not going to use it,
1852
2:01:02 --> 2:01:04
but now that you've asked for it, we'll give it to you.
1853
2:01:05 --> 2:01:08
And, you know, there were other contracts that they...
1854
2:01:09 --> 2:01:12
I think once you go down that route by doing that,
1855
2:01:12 --> 2:01:15
they were really fearful that there would have been other contracts
1856
2:01:15 --> 2:01:18
that they did not disclose to us, like their McKesson contract
1857
2:01:18 --> 2:01:20
that they had with other...
1858
2:01:20 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] with FedEx or not, you know,
1859
2:01:23 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] going to do that.
1860
2:01:25 --> 2:01:28
Now, I'd had some discussions with my attorneys about that,
1861
2:01:28 --> 2:01:32
that that in and of itself, the fact that they didn't disclose them
1862
2:01:32 --> 2:01:34
was a Brady violation right from the get-go,
1863
2:01:35 --> 2:01:37
because they are required by law to disclose to us
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2:01:38 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]
1865
2:01:39 --> 2:01:42
or that could potentially be exculpatory.
1866
2:01:43 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] been some of that that was happening,
1867
2:01:49 --> 2:01:52
because I was certainly going to appeal any conviction
1868
2:01:52 --> 2:01:53
that was going to go down that route,
1869
2:01:53 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] been a definite reason
1870
2:02:00 --> 2:02:01
to get that information out there.
1871
2:02:02 --> 2:02:03
So I don't know if Brian wants to speak up on that.
1872
2:02:04 --> 2:02:07
And there's one more thing I'd like you and him to discuss,
1873
2:02:07 --> 2:02:09
and that is the Goodyear versus Hagar case.
1874
2:02:10 --> 2:02:14
Goodyear versus Hagar was about withholding information,
1875
2:02:14 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] like you're saying.
1876
2:02:15 --> 2:02:16
The government has to give you
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2:02:16 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction], and they did not.
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2:02:20 --> 2:02:25
Up until they turn it over, they have to cover your attorney's fees.
1879
2:02:26 --> 2:02:30
But for attorney's fees, get covered by the prosecutors
1880
2:02:30 --> 2:02:32
who are withholding information.
1881
2:02:32 --> 2:02:35
Goodyear versus Hagar, and I'll send you that.
1882
2:02:35 --> 2:02:36
Okay.
1883
2:02:36 --> 2:02:39
Can your attorney comment on that?
1884
2:02:39 --> 2:02:40
Yeah, Brian, do you want to?
1885
2:02:40 --> 2:02:42
Let me kind of go back to that.
1886
2:02:42 --> 2:02:46
We talked earlier that there was a necessity defense
1887
2:02:46 --> 2:02:49
that we were precluded from bringing.
1888
2:02:49 --> 2:02:50
That really put a bright line in the sand
1889
2:02:51 --> 2:02:55
that any discussion about what happened to anybody
1890
2:02:55 --> 2:02:57
after the vaccine, you couldn't discuss.
1891
2:02:57 --> 2:03:00
And you also couldn't discuss why they were coming to you
1892
2:03:00 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]
1893
2:03:02 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]epped over that line a couple of times
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2:03:05 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]atement,
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2:03:06 --> 2:03:08
and then Chris Dugger opened the door
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2:03:08 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]ions.
1897
2:03:11 --> 2:03:12
But the judge was very clear.
1898
2:03:12 --> 2:03:15
He wanted it to be very narrow.
1899
2:03:15 --> 2:03:20
And we did agree, ultimately, in one of the bench meetings,
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2:03:20 --> 2:03:22
we went out and had an attorney caucus,
1901
2:03:22 --> 2:03:26
that we would provide the jury a limited instruction
1902
2:03:26 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction] the jury that they could not consider
1903
2:03:30 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction] or something similar.
1904
2:03:35 --> 2:03:37
I'm sorry, I wasn't clear.
1905
2:03:37 --> 2:03:40
I'm talking about the government specifically
1906
2:03:40 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]s.
1907
2:03:43 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction] law issue.
1908
2:03:45 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]s that DOD has, the contracts that HHS oversees,
1909
2:03:49 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]s with McKesson, the contracts were withheld.
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2:03:53 --> 2:03:54
And I believe that they don't even have the...
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2:03:54 --> 2:03:56
I'm not sure, and I don't think they have the right
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2:03:56 --> 2:03:59
to allow you to see it without your client seeing it.
1913
2:03:59 --> 2:04:02
I think your client has to be able to see those contracts
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2:04:02 --> 2:04:03
in total as well.
1915
2:04:04 --> 2:04:07
Well, if it's deemed to be highly confidential
1916
2:04:07 --> 2:04:11
or it's a sealed exhibit,
1917
2:04:11 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]er that it can be attorney's eyes only.
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2:04:15 --> 2:04:19
It does happen, you see it a lot in trade secret or...
1919
2:04:21 --> 2:04:24
You know, someone's gonna gain a competitive edge by keeping...
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2:04:24 --> 2:04:26
Espionage.
1921
2:04:26 --> 2:04:29
Yeah, so that was the context.
1922
2:04:29 --> 2:04:30
So...
1923
2:04:30 --> 2:04:34
I think espionage is more likely the real issue here,
1924
2:04:34 --> 2:04:39
and that goes to who created the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein.
1925
2:04:39 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]ill go with the, we don't know who did it,
1926
2:04:41 --> 2:04:45
which is the intelligence agencies of Six Eyes.
1927
2:04:45 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction],
1928
2:04:48 --> 2:04:51
and I believe that because they withheld it,
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2:04:51 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction] rights for attorney's fees up to that point.
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2:04:55 --> 2:04:57
Because of the Goodyear versus Agar case,
1931
2:04:57 --> 2:05:00
I'll send it to you and you can make that decision.
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2:05:00 --> 2:05:01
I'll take a look at that.
1933
2:05:02 --> 2:05:03
Great, well, thank you.
1934
2:05:03 --> 2:05:06
And thank you for the good defense that you've provided for Kirk.
1935
2:05:06 --> 2:05:08
Thank you, appreciate that.
1936
2:05:08 --> 2:05:09
Thank you, Jim.
1937
2:05:09 --> 2:05:12
I thought, hey, Gar, the horrible was a cartoon character,
1938
2:05:12 --> 2:05:15
but now I'm realizing he's a defendant in a court case.
1939
2:05:15 --> 2:05:16
Marv.
1940
2:05:19 --> 2:05:21
Hey, Doc.
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2:05:23 --> 2:05:27
I want to ask, in a dearth of good news stories,
1942
2:05:27 --> 2:05:28
this is a great one.
1943
2:05:28 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]ory.
1944
2:05:33 --> 2:05:35
I want to ask you what kind of feedback
1945
2:05:35 --> 2:05:40
you've been getting in your social medical group.
1946
2:05:40 --> 2:05:42
And also, Brian, what kind of feedback
1947
2:05:42 --> 2:05:47
are you getting in your legal social group?
1948
2:05:47 --> 2:05:48
Thanks.
1949
2:05:52 --> 2:05:57
I've gotten maybe four or five negative comments
1950
2:05:57 --> 2:06:04
out of the absolutely thousands of positive comments
1951
2:06:04 --> 2:06:09
and voicemails, messages, emails, texts, social media posts.
1952
2:06:10 --> 2:06:16
There's the occasional one that says that we broke the law
1953
2:06:16 --> 2:06:18
or that we did something unethical,
1954
2:06:18 --> 2:06:20
we deserved to go to jail,
1955
2:06:20 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]e,
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2:06:25 --> 2:06:27
we took money, whatever.
1957
2:06:27 --> 2:06:35
But they're far, far and away outnumbered by the thousands.
1958
2:06:36 --> 2:06:41
And I don't even think that it's a percentage number.
1959
2:06:42 --> 2:06:44
It's the number of positive comments,
1960
2:06:44 --> 2:06:48
both now as well as even before.
1961
2:06:48 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] two and a half years,
1962
2:06:51 --> 2:06:56
in large measure, that's been a real positive thing for us
1963
2:06:56 --> 2:06:58
and has allowed us to kind of keep going,
1964
2:06:59 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] the public support
1965
2:07:01 --> 2:07:04
and everything else that we've had.
1966
2:07:04 --> 2:07:06
Now, from a professional standpoint,
1967
2:07:07 --> 2:07:18
the answer to that, and I think that Stephen is well aware of this,
1968
2:07:18 --> 2:07:22
I've had zero feedback from anybody
1969
2:07:23 --> 2:07:25
that has not already given me the support.
1970
2:07:25 --> 2:07:30
So anybody who I've lost touch with
1971
2:07:31 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] a relationship with over this,
1972
2:07:36 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] come out of the woodwork to say,
1973
2:07:39 --> 2:07:42
oh, we're sorry, oh, you did the right thing,
1974
2:07:42 --> 2:07:44
oh, thank you for what you did, everything else.
1975
2:07:44 --> 2:07:47
It's total silence.
1976
2:07:47 --> 2:07:49
And I'll just add from my end,
1977
2:07:49 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] been negative, they don't know the facts.
1978
2:07:54 --> 2:07:59
They only know the headlines that were printed in your mainstream media.
1979
2:07:59 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ually read and understand
1980
2:08:02 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]en to what we're saying, 100% pats on the back, great job,
1981
2:08:06 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction] it did, is the right result.
1982
2:08:09 --> 2:08:11
Absolutely.
1983
2:08:11 --> 2:08:14
All right, thank you, Marv. It is wonderful news.
1984
2:08:14 --> 2:08:16
Okay, Ron, last question to you,
1985
2:08:16 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ephen, we'll finish with questions and we'll finish on time.
1986
2:08:20 --> 2:08:24
Yeah, I have been in the habit of correcting mainstream media reports
1987
2:08:24 --> 2:08:27
about all things COVID-19 vaccines.
1988
2:08:27 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ions I had wanted to make was the AP story that I saw on...
1989
2:08:32 --> 2:08:42
And they reported that you, Dr. Moore, sold your services.
1990
2:08:42 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction] that particular, that AP article,
1991
2:08:47 --> 2:08:50
but it wasn't a byline, it was just the Associated Press.
1992
2:08:50 --> 2:08:53
So I couldn't identify the reporter, which was quite frustrating.
1993
2:08:54 --> 2:08:56
I'm just making a comment, that's all.
1994
2:08:57 --> 2:09:03
Well, that was the original press release as well
1995
2:09:04 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]ice when they first filed this case,
1996
2:09:09 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]s, and that was their...
1997
2:09:14 --> 2:09:19
That was the premise, one of the main premises of this fraud case that they brought.
1998
2:09:19 --> 2:09:22
So I appreciate that, Ron.
1999
2:09:24 --> 2:09:30
All right, Stephen, before you get going, I was given this box, everybody.
2000
2:09:30 --> 2:09:32
Look at this, Stephen.
2001
2:09:34 --> 2:09:36
You say, what's this box?
2002
2:09:36 --> 2:09:40
We're sent to be in the mail, and it's called Wakerpedia,
2003
2:09:41 --> 2:09:45
and it's a deck of cards,
2004
2:09:46 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]s about the fraud that's been perpetrated on us.
2005
2:09:52 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]ing, very interesting.
2006
2:09:54 --> 2:10:01
So about the depopulation, a way of sharing information,
2007
2:10:01 --> 2:10:08
misinformation, germ theory et al., Hegelian dialectic, PCR, rat testing.
2008
2:10:08 --> 2:10:12
So it's a doctor who's put all this information together,
2009
2:10:12 --> 2:10:16
Psiops, allopathy, allopathic, plandemic et al.
2010
2:10:16 --> 2:10:19
Stephen, this is your favourite topic on plandemic.
2011
2:10:22 --> 2:10:26
So that's how many words it is, as you can see,
2012
2:10:27 --> 2:10:31
plandemic, and it's very clever.
2013
2:10:31 --> 2:10:33
What does it say for pandemic?
2014
2:10:33 --> 2:10:37
It's pretty small, I don't wear glasses.
2015
2:10:37 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]icated, ingeniously planned operation, never isolated,
2016
2:10:43 --> 2:10:47
fake virus, also known as rebranded flu,
2017
2:10:47 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]emented by allopathy media industry, educational law enforcement.
2018
2:10:53 --> 2:10:58
Two, social experiment commenced March 2020, measuring societal compliance,
2019
2:10:58 --> 2:11:03
i.e. facial coverings, lockdowns, PCR, rat testing, QR coding.
2020
2:11:03 --> 2:11:08
Three, social manipulation, problem, reaction, solution.
2021
2:11:08 --> 2:11:10
You'd love this, Stephen.
2022
2:11:10 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction], particularly, I'll send this one to you on WhatsApp.
2023
2:11:13 --> 2:11:17
But there's a huge amount of material here.
2024
2:11:17 --> 2:11:22
I'll see what I can do, and I'll share this with people.
2025
2:11:23 --> 2:11:25
But a useful tool. All right.
2026
2:11:25 --> 2:11:27
So to change public opinion, Charles,
2027
2:11:27 --> 2:11:33
we need to concentrate on concise messaging, in my opinion,
2028
2:11:33 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] important things that we need to convince the public about.
2029
2:11:39 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] one, I would think, everyone thinks it was a pandemic.
2030
2:11:42 --> 2:11:45
There was no pandemic.
2031
2:11:45 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]e's attention when I say that now.
2032
2:11:47 --> 2:11:49
I didn't in 2021.
2033
2:11:50 --> 2:11:54
Well, Stephen, we've got to have that debate, all right?
2034
2:11:54 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]atform, we've got to have the debate
2035
2:11:59 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] a pandemic
2036
2:12:01 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]e who think you can't have a pandemic.
2037
2:12:03 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]n't had that yet.
2038
2:12:05 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction], Stephen, questions?
2039
2:12:07 --> 2:12:11
Was there AIDS or wasn't there AIDS? Because it's the same thing.
2040
2:12:11 --> 2:12:14
Well, Charles, put the link on there. I want to get a deck of cards.
2041
2:12:15 --> 2:12:16
I want to get the deck.
2042
2:12:17 --> 2:12:18
I shall.
2043
2:12:18 --> 2:12:21
I will. I'll give you the name of the bloke.
2044
2:12:21 --> 2:12:23
So this says on the side here,
2045
2:12:23 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] awakened and those still awakening.
2046
2:12:29 --> 2:12:30
I'll get the link.
2047
2:12:30 --> 2:12:36
So Kirk and maybe Brian as well, the Department of Justice said...
2048
2:12:36 --> 2:12:42
So they had the charge, but they also said that you sold cards.
2049
2:12:42 --> 2:12:47
They didn't put that in the charge, but they said that you had sold cards,
2050
2:12:47 --> 2:12:51
and that was a false accusation and it wasn't covered by the charge.
2051
2:12:52 --> 2:12:53
So what were they doing?
2052
2:12:55 --> 2:12:59
Well, I can tell you that their own exhibits that they delivered to us
2053
2:12:59 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] Moore and his office
2054
2:13:03 --> 2:13:05
never received a dime.
2055
2:13:05 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] the exhibits showing that there is a voluntary donation,
2056
2:13:10 --> 2:13:13
which was the donation was utilized to educate people
2057
2:13:13 --> 2:13:17
on the true nature of the vaccine, to post some billboards
2058
2:13:18 --> 2:13:20
and provide education and resources.
2059
2:13:20 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]-party company.
2060
2:13:23 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] Moore. He didn't own any interest in it.
2061
2:13:26 --> 2:13:28
Didn't receive any payments from it.
2062
2:13:29 --> 2:13:34
So their own exhibits disproved that premise.
2063
2:13:34 --> 2:13:39
Yes, but Brian, what I'm trying to say is they're disingenuous and, yeah,
2064
2:13:39 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction], in my opinion.
2065
2:13:41 --> 2:13:45
So they're saying they don't put that in the charge,
2066
2:13:45 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]uff that goes in the PR, I suppose,
2067
2:13:51 --> 2:13:54
to damage him.
2068
2:13:54 --> 2:14:00
But what's the statutory limitation for libel?
2069
2:14:03 --> 2:14:05
Hold on a minute. I've got a windstorm.
2070
2:14:07 --> 2:14:10
There's a big windstorm. They just kicked up something.
2071
2:14:10 --> 2:14:11
Yeah, I can see it.
2072
2:14:15 --> 2:14:18
Well, you mentioned before the prosecutorial discretion
2073
2:14:18 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]y on that. So from the libel standpoint...
2074
2:14:23 --> 2:14:26
Oh, I see. Yes, you couldn't go... Yeah, Department of Justice.
2075
2:14:26 --> 2:14:28
Right. And the reason they put the monetary on there
2076
2:14:28 --> 2:14:32
is because for a felony, there has to be at least $1,000
2077
2:14:32 --> 2:14:34
that was received as a benefit.
2078
2:14:34 --> 2:14:39
And that's why they had to put some monetary statement in there.
2079
2:14:39 --> 2:14:43
Originally, it started out at $98,000, then it went down to $28,000.
2080
2:14:43 --> 2:14:47
By the time we were at trial, they were saying $2,000 plus.
2081
2:14:47 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction] kept whittling down.
2082
2:14:49 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]
2083
2:14:51 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]arted out at $124,000.
2084
2:14:53 --> 2:14:55
Oh, that's right. It was bigger. Yeah.
2085
2:14:55 --> 2:14:56
Yep.
2086
2:14:57 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] looked ridiculous if Kirk had...
2087
2:15:01 --> 2:15:04
Oh, I see. They could still be fraud in their mind,
2088
2:15:04 --> 2:15:08
but it would look worse if he'd received money. Is that correct?
2089
2:15:08 --> 2:15:09
Yeah, that's right. Yes.
2090
2:15:09 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] to introduce that when it wasn't true.
2091
2:15:15 --> 2:15:16
That was part of their narrative, right.
2092
2:15:16 --> 2:15:19
But again, they had to prove at least $1,000 for a felony.
2093
2:15:19 --> 2:15:21
So in their initial calculations,
2094
2:15:21 --> 2:15:25
they were assuming all this money went to Dr. Moore when it didn't.
2095
2:15:25 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] brought the charges.
2096
2:15:27 --> 2:15:28
And as they learned as the process was going,
2097
2:15:28 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]
2098
2:15:32 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] realized at some point that he'd never received any money.
2099
2:15:36 --> 2:15:38
Not the type they were thinking of.
2100
2:15:38 --> 2:15:42
Right. I think that's one of the weaknesses of their case
2101
2:15:42 --> 2:15:44
that I felt pretty good about.
2102
2:15:44 --> 2:15:50
That at the end of the day, when they heard the testimony and saw the exhibits,
2103
2:15:50 --> 2:15:52
they realized that it wasn't funneling back to Dr. Moore.
2104
2:15:52 --> 2:15:56
And then they were trying to piggyback that saying that he's requiring a donation.
2105
2:15:56 --> 2:15:58
But that wasn't the testimony either.
2106
2:15:58 --> 2:16:00
So that's where I felt good about our case.
2107
2:16:02 --> 2:16:07
So essentially, they were trying to justify false accusations.
2108
2:16:08 --> 2:16:09
Absolutely outrageous.
2109
2:16:09 --> 2:16:16
So Kirk, we're so happy that you've prevailed here.
2110
2:16:16 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction]ory for you.
2111
2:16:19 --> 2:16:24
My advice to you would be to keep your head and keep humble
2112
2:16:24 --> 2:16:27
and get your health back if it's suffered.
2113
2:16:27 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction] suffered a bit.
2114
2:16:29 --> 2:16:32
But we're so grateful to you for speaking to us
2115
2:16:32 --> 2:16:37
and giving us an insight into this amazing story that you have.
2116
2:16:37 --> 2:16:39
And I think, as I said before,
2117
2:16:40 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction] that you've prevailed in these circumstances
2118
2:16:44 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction] from you in 2019 for suicide
2119
2:16:49 --> 2:16:54
and you had two boys look after, two children, sorry,
2120
2:16:54 --> 2:16:58
outrageous that they go for a man who's trying to look after his two children
2121
2:16:58 --> 2:17:01
when he's lost his wife in those tragic circumstances.
2122
2:17:01 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] don't understand why the devils would do it to you.
2123
2:17:08 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] to speak to you, Kirk, for two minutes,
2124
2:17:12 --> 2:17:15
or maybe 10 for them because they're psychopaths,
2125
2:17:15 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]and that you're a really good guy and you're really authentic.
2126
2:17:21 --> 2:17:24
Steven, I appreciate those really kind words. Thank you.
2127
2:17:26 --> 2:17:29
Ultimately, we talked about this earlier. They don't care.
2128
2:17:30 --> 2:17:33
It's all about a notch in their belt. It's all about winning.
2129
2:17:34 --> 2:17:40
And it was not about finding out the truth or serving justice in this case.
2130
2:17:41 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] all about winning. It was all about a notch in their belt.
2131
2:17:45 --> 2:17:53
And it was all about, you know, the big picture of it to try to put a...
2132
2:17:54 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]e that if you push back against the government,
2133
2:17:58 --> 2:18:00
this is what's going to happen to you. So don't do it.
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Yeah. And I had a similar experience as I alluded to on when we spoke,
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2:18:06 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]leblowing and five and a half year legal case.
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2:18:09 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]s are capable of.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So thank you so much, Kirk. And I'm glad to see you still standing.
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If they don't kill you when they attack you like that,
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you're a very dangerous person to them in the future.
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So well said, Steven.
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2:18:25 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction] want to take issue with what you said, Steven.
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You said he's authentic, but in fact, he's made of plastic.
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He's a plastic surgeon.
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Yeah, he's a plastic surgeon.
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Yeah. Not many.
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And you've got a beautiful car, Kirk. I won't say what it is,
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otherwise you'll have numerous women making suggestions.
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All right.
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Thank you.
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All right. So thank you, Brian, for being here.
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Thank you, Kirk. Thank you, Steven. Thank you, everyone, for the contributions.
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Go to Tom Rodman Group. He's put that in the link.
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And there won't be an invitation coming. I've sent that to you.
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2:19:05 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]n't read it, don't send me an email saying I haven't got the invitation.
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It's Richard Voebs on Tuesday night, who is fantastic.
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2:19:12 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] been a longtime subscriber to him on YouTube.
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Very funny man, very insightful. So well done, Steven, for getting him.
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I might be able to log in on the call, but I'll be traveling.
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So I'll just come in on my phone and we'll see what happens.
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Thanks, everyone. Thank you, Brian. Bye for now. Bye, Steven.
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Bye bye. Thank you, Charles.
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And thank you again, Kirk.
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And yeah, you're a magnificent example to people.
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Yeah. Thank you.
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All right. Thanks, everyone. Bye.
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Bye bye.
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Save the chat. Remember, I'll send it to you, Brian, as well.
