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Wonderful to see you all. Welcome, Michelle, from Canberra.
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So I'm, if you're, if this is new,
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if you're new, please introduce yourself.
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I'll also say that a bit later,
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but lovely to, lovely to have you all here,
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survive the weekend, although in the UK it's now,
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what is it, 8pm? 9pm?
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9pm, yeah.
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Excellent. Hello, Stephen.
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Hi.
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Thank you, Mark, for coming.
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Yeah, no problem. Thank you for the invite.
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Nine o'clock in the morning there, is it?
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Yeah, it is. Yep. Just, we've got three kids,
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so I've just sorted them all out and Sam's got them nice and quiet.
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So hopefully you won't hear too much noise in the background.
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Yeah, thank you.
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Charles, are you there?
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No, no, he's back. He's back.
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He says the wrong thing.
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All right.
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Well, we've had no news in Australia.
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But Sky News, the world, according to Rowan Dean,
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media that is absolutely hammering
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hammering the government narrative.
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So I'm wondering how to get a summary of that.
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Mark Bailey, I don't know if you get the world,
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Probably don't. It's probably it's probably censored by Queen
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Jacinda.
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Yeah, it's not something I'm familiar with, but
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I mean, here in New Zealand, if you're on a VPN, you can access anything.
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All right. Well, I'll bring that to everyone's attention because Rowan,
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it's very heartwarming to see what he's saying on the Murdoch,
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you know, on the Murdoch Sky News.
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So, you know, whilst
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All right, let's get into it, everybody.
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I'm Charles Curvesse. In Australia, I'm Australia's passion provocateur.
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To fight for freedom, fight for justice, to fight against breaches of the
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You've probably been here over the journey, but we've got doctors and lawyers
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Engineers, writers, researchers, nurses, dentists,
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Like you and Sam, you know, people,
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with, not complying with what the government says.
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We're here in a true spirit of science and discovery.
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And, Mark, your topic is really one that I'm delighted to have it
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because it's a great practice area for all of us to listen to people
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That's what science is about.
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We go for two and a half hours, Mark.
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You present as long as you like, and then we'll have Q&A and discussion.
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And then at the two and a half hour, Mark,
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And then we go to a telegram group, a video telegram group,
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Everyone is welcome to do that.
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There's no censorship, but there's proper moderation.
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whenever they want to talk, that's censorship.
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No, it's not. It's moderation.
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And being, you know, the the this this discussion group helps you
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and all of our wonderful presenters are going to be sharing with you.
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So check into your beliefs, you know, and then you say, I'm offended
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because Mark says something or a speaker says something
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is contrary to my beliefs. Good. That's what science is about.
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We come from love, love, not fear.
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If you come from fear, your capability is so diminished.
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And that's why I have a passion for blockade, too,
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because passion comes from your soul and love comes from your soul.
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And when you do what you love doing, life changes.
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And I'm absolutely satisfied, Mark, that you, Mark Bailey, Mark Dye.
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We're not talking about Mark today, Mark.
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It means Mark Bailey, OK?
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But you and Sam are both are both two wonderful practitioners
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who are passionate about what you're doing and showing enormous courage.
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And that's the other that's the other element I wish to bring to your attention.
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That passion, when you're passionate about something,
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it's the source of your courage and the word courage.
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The etymology of courage comes from the French word,
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cour, from a Latin core meaning heart.
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So when you come from your heart space, that gives you
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that's the source of your courage to fight the fear.
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If there's no fear, you don't need courage.
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And so this group twice a week comes together.
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And this encourages us to speak what's true for us.
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And, you know, and we encourage Stephen to keep fighting the fight.
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We encourage each other to keep fighting the fight and not be squashed by fear.
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please introduce yourself, please put your proper name on the description of you.
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And we'll listen to Mark.
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And then at the end of that, we do a Q&A with put your hands up
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and keep sharing the wonderful information in the chat.
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So Mark Bailey, Dr. Mark Bailey from New Zealand.
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Who's by the way, I think has lived in Melbourne,
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the lockdown capital of the world.
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But, golly, gosh, I think New Zealand is the is the
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totalitarian center of the world, almost with Queen Jacinda.
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So Mark Bailey, over to you and welcome.
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Well, thank you, Charles.
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and I'm not sure of your usual format.
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comments, and I'm really happy to take questions and do some answers today,
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because what I find with this topic of viral existence
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with the virus hypothesis, that there may be one or two sticking points
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And there's been a number of people in the health freedom community
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that we've communicated with over the last couple of years,
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who often there is there's just one thing that has kept them
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from coming into the camp, if you like, to realize that
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So, as I say, I'm really happy to to address questions
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because I'm sure there will be a lot of them.
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So my background, I trained as a conventional doctor
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here in New Zealand and graduated in [privacy contact redaction]udent.
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I had the speed wobbles with whether or not I was going to be an allopathic doctor.
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I became aware of material that we weren't supposed to read.
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that wasn't fully vaccinated, going into clinical work.
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unfortunately, submit to getting the Jabs
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when I was probably about 19 or 20 years old.
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The personal choice seemed to be violated.
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But we were told that if we didn't do this, we were putting our patients at risk,
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et cetera, even if it wasn't putting ourselves at risk.
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which is similar to triathlon, but in the run bike run format.
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And absolutely loved that five years of learning the limits
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of what my body could do and became one of the fittest individuals on the planet.
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and surgical interventions we were doing on our patients
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were not something that I would be willing to undergo.
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And certainly none of the medications I would take put into my body
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and many of the procedures I was witnessing, there's no way
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So, again, that was a little bit of a crisis point for me,
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there was not a comfortable fit within the medical system.
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But in 2007, came back into the system and trained extensively
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in musculoskeletal medicine, where I felt we were doing the least amount of harm
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to patients. We were very much conservative, conservative
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treatment based in the US.
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It's called physiatry, I believe, is the equivalent to what I was doing.
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And but increasingly over the next eight or nine years, I got
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orthopedic surgeons who I used to work with, who I could clearly see
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were doing procedures that had no basis in evidence.
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which clearly wasn't the reality.
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literature to see where the evidence lay.
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And probably orthopedics for me was the first scandal,
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if you like, realizing that potentially 80, 90 percent
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plus of the surgery they were doing had absolutely no basis
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in scientific evidence.
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And when I used to call up the surgeons on this,
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who was doing a lot of anterior cruciate ligament reconstructions.
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I pointed out to him that there was no randomized control study
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And yet here in New Zealand, they were being done by the thousands
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and around the world.
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Not only that, they were often funded by insurers and national health schemes.
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And I looked up some of the national protocols here in New Zealand
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and found out that they had no evidence at all.
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It was all expert opinion.
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And then that led me to look into other procedures
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That's the level of evidence they operate at,
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which is basically no evidence at all.
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It's just self-interest groups making money in a living
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And in 2016, I'd had enough.
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I turned 40 that year and decided that I'd get out of the medical system.
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Now, my wife, Sam, she's six years younger.
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And I at the time, I told her in 2016,
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I think the whole thing is going to collapse.
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I think it's going to turn bad.
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But she had a research job that she really loved.
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A lot of patients were absolutely adored her.
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And she's one of those rare doctors that in her entire
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And obviously, later on, the authorities went after her,
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but it was none of her patients.
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research clinical trials, which I'd also been involved with for a couple of years.
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and catch up on what was going on.
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But personally, I had nothing to do with medicine at all.
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And then in late 2019, we start hearing
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rumors that there's something happening in Wuhan.
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Then we hear that there's a new coronavirus apparently on the loose.
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And around that time, Sam had just started her YouTube channel
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and quickly picked up a huge following.
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she decided to pivot with their channel and start communicating information
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about this COVID-[privacy contact redaction] of the world.
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was read the WHO report on the COVID-19 situation.
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And again, what struck me was when I read that report, there was nowhere in it.
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There was no scientific publications that showed me that a virus existed
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or that there was any contagion, that there was anything passing around
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The references that were given did not back up any of the speculations
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that they had made in their report.
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To what we basically currently do, which is look into the existence of viruses,
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the concept of germ theory, the concept of contagion.
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And it led us to our current position, which is that not only do viruses not exist,
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but the whole concept of contagion is completely fallacious.
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And there's not one scrap of scientific evidence that you can find,
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which would show that transmission of microbes between humans
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actually occurs and causes disease.
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So what I guess what influenced us early on too in 2020
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was the work of the Perth Group.
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And we obviously, as medical students and doctors, were not
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certainly not shown that there were theories which contradicted mainstream
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beliefs about alleged viruses such as HIV.
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And what impressed us with the Perth Group was how they systematically
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went through publications one by one and just explained why they didn't
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follow the scientific method and why the claims, whether it was in the abstract
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or the headlines, simply did not match, you know, what the actual methodology
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of the paper showed.
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And we quickly learned that that was what we needed to do with virology
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and contagion and germ theory in general was going back through the trails.
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goes back to the late 1800s.
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And in every case, and we've done this with dozens and dozens of viruses now,
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So at this point, we should probably explain what a virus actually is, because
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get a mumbo jumbo response from many of them, unfortunately, and they don't
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So a virus by definition, and I'm talking about the modern definition, is a tiny,
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tiny particle, you know, in the order of 100 nanometers around that kind of size
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for ones like the alleged SARS-CoV-2 virus, a proteinaceous shell within which
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is a genome that not only encodes its protein shell, but encodes all of the
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genetic information that the alleged virus needs.
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It's supposed to be an obligate intracellular parasite, so it needs to go
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It's infectious.
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And not only that, but it's disease causing.
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So it's not just associated with the process.
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So how did we get here?
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Well, initially in the 1800s, there was a mistaken belief that bacteria and
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fungi were causing disease.
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And from that, and we can talk about that as to why that's false as well.
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But in any case, in many of the cases, so they'd have things like TB and other
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diseases, in which case they would be able to actually isolate, we're talking
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about properly isolate a microbe.
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So in the case of TB, that gets someone to cough up the specimen, they'd find
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There'd be no problems with that.
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Then they could culture it, see that it could replicate, see that it was a
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living entity, et cetera.
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So what happened in the 1800s was that the investigators imagined that there
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was some other contagious element going on, something that couldn't be seen,
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something that was smaller than what the capabilities of the light microscope.
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So initially, if you look in the 1800s, they just, sorry, just get some water.
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So if you look in the 1800s, initially, what they talk about is a fluid
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contagium or a fluid contagiosum.
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So they're alleging that there's some kind of substance which is transmitting
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Then in the early 1900s, they start talking about an infectious protein.
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So they've gone off the idea of an actual fluid and now they're saying it's a
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rogue protein that is passing around and somehow able to replicate in the body.
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Then by the mid 1900s, we get the current model, which is the rogue genetic code
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model, which is the description of the virus, which I just described a bit earlier.
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And that's the one they've basically run with since the 1950s.
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can read that paper and it may impress some people and it may sound like something
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I mean, I can't even believe that this is the basis of the virological model.
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So then he worked out what you had to do was grind up the leaves of sick plants and
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So, I mean, that's problematic for a start because that that's not actually
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contagion. That's taking something directly from a sick entity and putting it inside
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another sick entity, which makes no sense whatsoever.
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I mean, it would be like taking if one of us was poisoned with arsenic, it would be
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like taking a lesion from our body where the arsenic is trying to come out and taking
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It's made them sick. Therefore, it's a contagious element.
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That's not contagion because by definition, contagion is supposed to be infectious.
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It's supposed to come from a microbe.
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So that's a very important point.
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The second point was, and this is pervasive now throughout the entire literature in
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virology, is that Ivanovsky didn't do any controlled experiments.
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He didn't just take plants which were alleged not to have tobacco mosaic virus and
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grind them up and do the same thing, which was, you know, injecting it directly into
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scientific method that there was anything transmitting.
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having problems because every time they did do a control experiment, it showed that
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there was nothing different between the experimental arm and the control arm.
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So what I'm saying here is that if you took a entity which you said had a viral
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disease, whether it's a human or an animal or plant, and then you took another
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comparable entity and compared the two by taking tissue samples from them, you couldn't
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really find anything different between the two of them.
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something different between the two lots of tissue.
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And of course, when the electron microscope was invented around 1933, they thought they
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were going to solve this problem and they thought that we've got it now because we'll
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get someone with measles or mumps or any of these other alleged viral diseases and
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we'll take samples from them and we'll be able to find these particles directly
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But of course, we now know that that didn't happen.
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They couldn't find viral particles in any sick entity.
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So once again, the hypothesis had refuted itself.
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To get around that problem, you'll probably know of John Enders and his famous 1950s
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experiments with the measles.
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So for 20 years, they tried their best to find viral particles directly in tissues
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So then John Enders worked out in the 1950s that you could take various cell culture
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lines, often not human or not cell culture lines that were actually supposed to be
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But you could take things like monkey kidney cells or abnormal cancer cells, etc.
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And by doing a cell culture, you could show apparently that there were viral particles
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coming out of the cell.
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But once again, Enders completely failed to do any control experiments.
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He didn't just do one experimental arm where he took a sample from someone with
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measles and mixed it with a cell culture.
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well person or someone with another type of disease and mix it with a cell culture
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and see if he got the same results.
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this process and not one of them has done valid control experiments.
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So wait a minute, people say, but I've read these papers and they say that they do
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do control experiments.
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Well, the problem with their control experiments is they're completely invalid.
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So to their control arms, and this is not just with cell culturing and aka isolation
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attempts. This is with genomics, antibody studies, everything they do within the
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paradigm of virology.
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Not one of them does a valid control experiment.
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So what you'll see is you might read, say, June 2020, Jennifer Harcourt, AL, CDC.
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They say we've isolated SARS-CoV-2, here's our cell culture, here's our genomics
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result, etc.
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control because all they've added is culture media.
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So you can't you can't compare the two with a control experiment.
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You need to alter one variable at a time.
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And in this case, so you need an independent variable.
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In this case, it should be the alleged virus that should be the only thing that
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changes between the two experiments.
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But you can already see if you've got your first experiment where you're adding a
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whole lot of muck, a whole lot of biological material from a human being, from a lung
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contain any of that added material.
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the CDC and all of these organizations around the world and said, why don't you simply
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tell us what you did in your control experiment?
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And every time it's the same, either they disclose that they did an invalid experiment
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where they didn't have comparable controls, or unusually now we're starting to see some
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So, for instance, the United Kingdom Health Security Agency refused to disclose exactly
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what the control experiment was on the basis of national security.
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So, I mean, you can see that they are completely covering up now the anti-science of
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what's been going on.
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And I mean, I think they've painted themselves into a corner, basically.
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So, yeah, and I'll briefly talk about genomics because that seems to be something that
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isolation experiments, etc.
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But how on earth did they find the SARS-CoV-2 genome 13 million times all around the
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world, which has been deposited on websites like GSate, etc.?
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Well, the problem with those 13 million deposits is that, again, they're just repeating
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the same uncontrolled techniques that the first one did.
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So, if you've got an invalid technique at step one, it doesn't matter how many times
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you do it. You're just going around the same track again and again and again.
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And I think it's also a misunderstanding of what is actually being sequenced.
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I mean, nothing is being sequenced end to end.
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So, SARS-CoV-2 is supposed to be 30,[privacy contact redaction]ete genome,
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but nobody's ever seen that genome.
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It's not been shown to exist.
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So, I think that's another point where people get confused is that they think that this
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is an end to end sequencing operation every time.
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And how could they keep finding the same thing over and over again?
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So, and the other problem with it, too, is that it doesn't even matter.
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I mean, I pointed this out multiple times.
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I don't... If you find the sequence in nature, even if it was shown to exist and it's
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It doesn't mean that you've got a clinical disease like COVID-19.
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You'd have to do other things to establish that.
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So, yeah, this is, I don't know, I guess that's a 30 minute summary of maybe how we
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got here. But I'd be happy to start answering some questions because it looks like
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we've got a few coming in already.
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So, maybe if we start with Gary.
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No, Mark. I'll moderate it.
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I'll keep this mob under control for you so that you can enjoy yourself.
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And the other thing I forget to say to our guests is if you need to go to the toilet
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for a moment, please say, you know, drinking all that water to be healthy.
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You say, I've got to go out and do that.
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Don't... I also, I've been a triathlete for 35 years, not due atlons, but I've done the
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Ironman and many half Ironman.
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So well done on being fit and healthy.
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And indeed, this whole question of health is an interesting one, everybody, to to
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I love, Mark, that you and Sam have have dedicated your life to say, what does it
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actually mean to reach the peak of health?
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I look at the energy in you and the courage that you have shown in your journey and your
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quo?
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Do you mean recently?
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When you were a kid, when you were a kid, were you willing to accept, willing to
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Probably like my earlier teachers would have described me as the dream student
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because, you know, I was winning scholarships and they would just sit the exam
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So, you know, both Sam and I, we were Golden Boy and Golden Girl.
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We used to be feature on magazine covers.
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Sam was obviously on TV for a while as a presenter.
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you know, an absolute rogue basically.
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that experience and they get excluded as as we know.
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That's why the mainstream media is all losing money.
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So we think it's dominating the airwaves.
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And that's that's not true.
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That'd be an interesting piece of research.
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All right, Stephen Frost, I love that you're wearing your Wales rugby top.
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Obviously, you want to you want to intimidate this New Zealander here from the
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All Blacks. So, Stephen, so Mark, the way this goes, Stephen asks the first series of
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And then we'll go to Gary Finkelstein and on we go.
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Yeah, so thank you, Mark.
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That was a really terrific summary.
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And I noticed that you took great care with your words, as George Orwell, no less,
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So obviously, you you are of the view that there's no virus.
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So I am not aware of all the arguments that go towards coming to that conclusion.
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such thing as Covid-19, that it was a failure of diagnosis.
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That's if you accept that there's a virus, which increasingly I'm I'm coming to
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But I'm prepared to be persuaded about that.
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But so is there such a thing as Covid-19?
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In my view, it was never properly diagnosed.
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You don't diagnose a viral illness with a test.
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It's never been done before.
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Kerry Mullis, the inventor of the PCR technique, said my his test, the test, which is based
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on his technique, which he won the Nobel Prize, that it was never to be used for the
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And that's exactly what they did do.
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But even if you put that aside, they were trying to diagnose, as you know, clinically.
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And so the governments around the world were saying, oh, loss of taste, loss of smell and
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And I was saying to myself initially, from the beginning, that no, it was no, there was
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no symptom which was pathognomonic for Covid-19.
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Yeah, and this is something I can't believe that doctors around the world went along with.
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And even today, doctors in the health freedom community who still talk about Covid-19 as
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an entity, there's no it, it's nothing.
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Because what happened was, if you look at the definition of Covid-19 from the WHO,
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and this was known in 2020, this is not something new.
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So the PCR was mainly in use early on.
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And now, obviously, the lateral flow or the rapid antigen tests are in use as well.
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But there are no symptoms or signs that are required.
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So this is, and I have problems with disease entities.
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I've moved off that model.
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That's how I used to work when I was a doctor and make these diagnoses and stuff.
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That's a separate issue.
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But even within this model, where you accept that there are disease entities,
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yeah, as we all know, we had a list of symptoms and signs that we'd need to
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0:38:16 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction] would be the confirmatory process that we do.
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So by mid 2020, the Cochrane Collaboration published a paper that I don't know why
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everyone was ignoring because they did a systematic review of every study that was available
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and concluded that there were no symptoms or signs that could rule in or rule out COVID-19.
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0:38:47 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction] said, well, that's a problem, because if they're saying it's a disease,
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there should be some sort of symptoms or signs.
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0:38:56 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ead, what we were left with was the circular reasoning where the cases were 100%
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Now, if people can't see the problem with that, they shouldn't be using tests at all,
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because what it did was it basically said that those molecular detection tests have 100%
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specificity and 100% sensitivity and that they, not only that, but the sensitivity and specificity
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0:39:29 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ic category, not of anything else.
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So I mean, this is completely obscene.
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0:39:38 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction] everything we know about how tests in the past were validated clinically.
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And I was really disappointed that PCR experts like Stephen Buston had written the
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MIQI guidelines, which had clearly said that there are two types of sensitivity and specificity
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with PCR.
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One is the analytical side of things, which is all that Drosten and Co worked out in January 2020.
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Their paper has nothing to do with diagnosing anything.
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It's just an analytical sensitivity and specificity protocol or their tests in quotes
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to pick up particular sequences.
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But the sequences themselves were never the provenance of them is not known, the significance
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of them is not known.
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0:40:39 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction]d on GenBank and given the label SARS-CoV-2,
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and that's the whole thing.
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That's the whole basis to this fraud.
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There's really nothing to it.
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And I think it's worth spending some time on this issue because it's a huge misunderstanding
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0:40:58 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] to this day, I've even had family members tell me that they got it, you
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know, and I said, what do you mean you got it?
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They said the COVID.
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And they said, how do you know?
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And they said, I felt terrible for three days.
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0:41:12 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] and it's positive.
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And it's really frustrating because we've written articles about this.
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We've done videos on it.
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0:41:24 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]s arrived in New Zealand, I wrote to the distributor and said,
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what is this diagnose?
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And where do I find the clinical validation studies?
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And they couldn't give me anything.
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All they had was the packet insert, which piggybacked their tests on other tests like
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the PCR, which had never had any clinical validation either.
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So, yes, Stephen, I would say that it's a fictional entity.
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It doesn't exist.
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There's no COVID-19 is not a thing.
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It doesn't matter if people say in 2020 that they saw, you know, some new pattern or they
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were treating pneumonia that seemed a bit different.
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It's completely there's no scientific evidence that they were dealing with a new virus.
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0:42:15 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] to say to classify this condition outside of the circular reasoning
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So, yeah, does that and nothing's changed to this day.
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But you're the first medical doctor who agrees with me.
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So I've been I felt like a whistleblower in my own group, except there are one or two,
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well, there are a few who believe there's no virus.
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But I realized that even if you don't go down that route, you know, denying the virus or
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saying there is no virus, which is perfectly possible in my view, then as a doctor, all
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0:43:03 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] known that there was no such thing as COVID-19.
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So it was a massive fraud from beginning to end and it should have been exposed at the
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medical level.
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Yeah.
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And the other thing was, and Sam and her co-authors have written about this in Virus Mania,
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because they warned for two decades that this was coming in Virus Mania.
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They said these fake pandemics are getting bigger and bigger.
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And eventually they'll just engulf the world because with SARS-1 back in 2003, the problem
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and quotes that they had was that they did actually have a specific clinical criteria
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that had to be fulfilled.
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So the temperature was supposed to be over 38.4.
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There were supposed to be changes, patchy changes on chest X-ray.
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0:43:53 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]ually supposed to be pretty sick.
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And that's why there were hardly any cases because nobody, there was very few people
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were fulfilling those criteria.
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And as you know, the clinical condition SARS, that's real and that's a serious problem,
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but it's not caused by a fictional virus.
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So in SARS-1, they said it was SARS-CoV-1 and now they're saying it's SARS-CoV-2.
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But SARS itself is, that's not what causes it.
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You get other causes, other injuries to people and problems.
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But yeah, what they basically did with COVID is that they made the case definition so ludicrous
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that wherever they took the PCR, they got cases.
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And this was pointed out by some of Sam's co-authors too, back in early 2020.
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They did an analysis and said the number of cases is dependent on the number of PCR tests
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that you're doing at the time.
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So when they were saying that cases had gone up by fourfold in Germany, that's because
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they were doing four times the number of tests.
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And wherever you go, you'll find it, but it has nothing to do with actual illness.
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Right.
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So no COVID in Yemen when they can't afford the tests.
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to do so.
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In my view, at the time, I thought that that was to increase the number of cases of COVID-19,
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cases of COVID-19, which of course they needed to turn into deaths, which were due to COVID-19.
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Or, well, they were saying that they were due to COVID-19, but essentially they were
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with COVID-19, except there was no such thing as COVID-19.
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0:45:56 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction] a massive, and doctors should have known what was going
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0:46:01 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction] known that all the measures and the injections later, of course,
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were violations of the Nuremberg Code.
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It was human medical experimentation, just the social distancing was that.
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And as I've said on this group many times, on the 2nd of June 1948, seven doctors were
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hanged in Germany, having been found guilty of human medical experimentation.
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And here we are again.
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Crazy.
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0:46:35 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction] wanted to ask you, Mark.
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So, yes, so there's no virus, there's no such thing as COVID-19.
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In the vaccines, is it, you know, would you, oh, sorry, the injections, is there a spike
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protein or do you think there's a possibility that that's been planted there by the criminals?
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And is there mRNA?
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And again, has that been planted there by the criminals?
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And I'll just do the questions and then.
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So I wanted to ask you, is a pandemic possible in the sense that, you know, if you accept
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0:47:14 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction], that when they, that they never mutate to more pathogenic viruses, even
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in the world of virology, they don't, they always mutate to less, sorry, less pathogenic,
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but more transmissible.
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They were arguing the opposite in December 2021 in this country, in the UK.
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And I'll repeat this one, you need.
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0:47:43 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction] come into prominence
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to corrupt the world of virology and genomics, is genomics actually corrupt?
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And so was virology, what they call virology now was that split off from microbiology
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with evil intent.
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0:48:07 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]ions, I can repeat them when you need it.
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0:48:12 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]ions, do you believe that there's such a thing as a spike protein and the mRNA?
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Yeah, sorry.
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And I'll just answer one more question because Stephen, we need to be careful with language
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as we know.
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And when you say like me, you know, you think COVID-[privacy contact redaction]itious entity, but we should
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say it is an entity because within epidemiology, a case is whatever you define it as.
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So if they say, if the WHO say that a case is a result of a molecular detection technique,
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you and I can't deny that they've just created a case.
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What we're saying is that it's pointless, a pointless exercise because it's not
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a clinical condition.
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0:48:59 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] been created to commit this fraud.
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Yeah, so like an epidemiologist could create a case definition that anyone like you and I who
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deny that COVID-19 is a clinical condition is a case of blah, blah, something nasty.
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They could go around and say, well, we found a million of these cases recently.
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So yeah, just to be clear.
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Yes, I thought people would realize that.
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Yes, I understand that.
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Yeah.
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0:49:30 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]e will say to us, I mean, the worst you get is people send you
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you know, one of these websites like from Johns Hopkins saying, well, what are these
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20 million cases?
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What are they?
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And we'll just say, well, they're meaningless because yes, they are cases,
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but they're not cases of disease.
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They're simply cases of an epidemiological invention.
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A lot of the cases in inverted commas, the people were asymptomatic and they were just
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sorry, they were PCR positive or lateral flow test positive.
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But yeah, I mean, you can understand why people get confused because sometimes if you're arguing
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a specific line, it's difficult to remember you're arguing that line and then you make
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I don't know whether you've found that.
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Yeah, for sure.
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And this is not medicine because of the influence of based on interest in the pharmaceutical
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0:50:32 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]ry, the experts at creating cases like, you know, hypercholesterolemia would be another
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0:50:39 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]e of something non related to viruses where essentially they just manufacture a
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0:50:47 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] a blood test and you don't have a disease and you're not
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unwell.
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But the GP says, oh, I've looked up the guidelines and it looks like you've got a disease and
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So yeah, this manufacturing of cases is nothing new.
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But yeah, we should just be crystal clear with our language that we're not denying the
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concept of cases.
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We're just saying that it's preposterous to create cases.
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And as we know, if you have a very narrow criteria for cases, you will find none.
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0:51:18 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] a wide criteria, you'll find as many as you want.
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What they call COVID-19, do you agree that that was what was previously called the common
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cold, influenza, pneumonia, those three, and then you've got all the other respiratory
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0:51:33 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]esses which allegedly are due to viruses?
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No, well, it's worse than that because when we used to diagnose influenza, we expected
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the temperature to be above 38 degrees.
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0:51:44 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]ed there to be symptoms.
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So no, it's far worse than that.
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I mean, it's encapsulated all of those things.
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And we know that, you know, I think in Australia is a good example where traditionally they
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had about 2000 deaths a year attributed to influenza.
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And in 2020, 2021, that basically went to zero.
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So, yeah, we know there's a lot of reclassifications, but I would contest that it's even worse than
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that.
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It's encompassed just about anything, including mostly asymptomatic people.
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Yeah.
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So, Mark, so the way I knew that something was terribly wrong was in March 2020 and could
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have been February 22, I can't quite identify the time, but I immediately when there was a
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0:52:31 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction], I remembered the swine flu so-called pandemic.
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And I also knew that that swine flu pandemic, which wasn't a pandemic, was exposed as a
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0:52:42 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]igation into that so-called pandemic.
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0:52:48 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ill, all the mainstream press all over the world went along with this narrative,
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not mentioning swine flu once, any of them.
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Yeah, well, completely.
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If you look at the previous fake pandemics like SARS-1, bird flu, swine flu, HIV, none
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of them had the global reach.
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And I think it's been engineered over time, but I can't speak as to exactly how that was
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done.
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But it's just what I think's happened is that progressively, yes, it's become more
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0:53:24 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] now where big tech pushes forward a narrative,
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0:53:30 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction] a narrative and try and bring everyone into
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the same thing.
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Sure.
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What do you think about genomics?
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Do you think that it's possible that it was kind of brought into prominence to
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corrupt the world of virology totally?
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0:53:49 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]it off from microbiology for that goal?
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Yeah, well, in my essay I wrote recently refuting the virus hypothesis, I suggested that
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metagenomics itself will be virology's last gasp.
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It'll be the last attempt to try and legitimize the existence of viruses.
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I mean, I don't personally, I don't have a huge problem with genomics if it's limited
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to the experimental setting, to research, etc.
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I think it has virtually no role in clinical medicine.
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It's not useful whatsoever.
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And it's this mistaken model that people have that you can somehow get a fingerprint of
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an individual and work out what's going on with them.
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But again, with regards to there is legitimate genomics in the sense that if you are looking
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0:54:48 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]erial cell that you can actually work out where the genetic material
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came from, that's fine.
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With virology, the process has been completely misused because they never established that
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the sequences come from inside the virus particle.
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And that's something people just constantly forget.
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0:55:11 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]e about this, and you just say to them, can you just show me
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0:55:17 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ep where it was shown that the viral material came from inside the viral particle,
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you know, the viral code, the genetic material.
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And with a human being, we have no problem because we can take a blood sample or a tissue
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0:55:32 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ly where that material has come from.
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0:55:36 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]eria and fungi, the same thing.
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0:55:39 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]es.
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0:55:40 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ly where the genetic material came from.
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With this whole thing about inventing viruses, they simply never do that.
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There's no step in the process to say this is where the material came from or that it
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relates to some sort of disease process.
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Yeah, I think genomics is being used now to sustain virology, basically, because they're
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experimental.
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0:56:09 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]uff that happens in the wet lab, you might call it, has completely failed
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with their clinical experiments.
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So now it's become based in the dry lab, which is, you know, on computer simulations, etc.
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And if you look at what happened with SARS-CoV-2, if you look back to Fan Wu's original paper,
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0:56:31 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction] time that they found this quote virus, there was nothing basically but
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a computer simulation.
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The experiment ended when they took their clinical sample, which was a lung fluid sample,
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0:56:47 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction] sequenced all of the RNA in the sample.
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They didn't know where it came from.
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0:56:52 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction] sequenced everything.
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And used a computer simulation to put together what they said was a genome, which was templated
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0:56:59 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction] another genome, which had been created in a similar way all the way back to the 1980s.
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And in my recent paper, I demonstrate the trail back to the original quote coronavirus genomes,
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0:57:13 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction] do they actually show that there's a virus at all.
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0:57:18 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction] continuously reinvent things with tissue culture experiments and samples that
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they take from nature and say that this is the virus based on their sequences.
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So, yeah, I think there is, I think we are seeing a complete misuse of genomics, and it's a
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multi-billion dollar industry now.
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0:57:39 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]e to say, what benefit does it bring humanity?
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None.
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There's nothing to it.
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But you could say the same thing about large sections of technology as well,
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well, particularly when they're not, when nobody understands, well, very few people
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0:57:54 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction]and the technology which they're using.
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0:57:57 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction], I won't go on.
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Charles, that's fine.
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Okay.
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Okay.
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Thank you.
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Thank you, Stephen.
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And as I say, well done for wearing that is your Wales top, I presume, for rugby.
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So, Mark, we go on to the series of questions.
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We've got lots of hands up and you generated some great questions.
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And dialogue, don't worry about the chat.
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0:58:19 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ions will ask those questions.
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If there's anything crucial in the chat, I'll bring it to your attention.
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0:58:24 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] the chat on your computer, of course, Mark, because there's some wonderful resources,
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0:58:29 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ives we would recommend, and also lots of compliments to you.
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Charles, I wasn't wearing the Wales rugby shirt to annoy Mark or you.
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I love it.
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I love it.
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I love the red.
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I'm biased towards red.
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All right.
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0:58:47 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ein, you're first, then Gerry Waters.
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Yeah.
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Hi there.
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I've got two questions.
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The one is a very basic one.
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I was an earlier, an early, I'm going to say follower of Sam, and I was wondering what's
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happened to her.
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Obviously, she was taken off air.
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I'm assuming and hoping everything's good.
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That's just clearly very interesting.
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0:59:18 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]ion is about a meeting I had with, the pleasure of meeting Luke Montaigne,
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about two years ago now.
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I should say that I'm an, actually, I'm not a doctor.
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I've been studying excess mortality, a lot of excess mortality in 2020.
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Also in 2021, but the age shape of a change.
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0:59:38 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction], my question is, and that's what I'll try to articulate because I'm not a doctor.
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0:59:44 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]ained to me that he was observing through sequencing.
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I mean, he didn't say that the virus has been fully isolated, just to be clear.
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But he did observe, if you like, a pattern recognition where he observed
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sequences that were common in the HIV virus to what was being proposed as the coronavirus
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underlying COVID-19.
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What he said to me was that, and I think he's actually gone, he went public on it before he
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died, that the odds of that happening in nature were like one in a million or something.
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But that seems at odds with what you're saying, that there's no virus at all, or have I completely
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1:00:35 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]ood?
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Yeah, no, there's some great questions and we can answer those for sure.
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And yeah, firstly, thanks for your inquiry about Sam.
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Yeah, the authorities here are still attempting to prosecute her, then get her into court.
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But what we did, they even tried to prosecute me earlier this year, even though I'd been out of
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medicine for six years.
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And I think it's an indication of how much they fear doctors speaking out.
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1:01:04 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]e, they come after us the hardest.
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1:01:10 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ually surprised that they came after me, given that I haven't had a license for six
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years.
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1:01:15 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]etely out of it.
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But apparently, because I was a doctor at some stage, they think they can come after us
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legally.
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So what we did here was we used...
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Mark, can I ask you, what's the basis for them coming after you?
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Alleged basis?
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So they tried to allege that I had breached the medical council guidelines about their
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recommendations.
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In New Zealand, it's like everywhere.
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Basically, they say that doctors have to recommend the COVID-[privacy contact redaction]ions.
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Otherwise, they're in breach of best practice or whatever.
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But obviously, I'm not even in...
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Not if you're not registered, surely.
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Well, the thing was, I hadn't practiced for six years, but I was still on the public register
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1:02:07 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction] you on that for life.
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I made sure I came off for that reason.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I know.
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And I know Kevin Corbett did the same on the nursing register.
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Unfortunately, Kevin, we didn't know Kevin in 2020.
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We knew of him.
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But yeah, I realized he told us later that that's the reason he'd got himself off the
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But so with Sam, they've tried multiple charges against her, everything from practicing without
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a license because she makes videos after she let her practicing certificate lapse.
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1:02:48 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ete joke.
876
1:02:50 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction] tried public risk.
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1:02:53 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction] tried bringing disrepute to the profession, which hopefully we're doing.
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That's what we're aiming to do.
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All sorts of things.
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But to cut to the chase, we gave up on the legal process, which is a complete sham.
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And we issued the medical council with equity notices, which is a form of liability notice,
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saying that we'll personally go after them, the individuals.
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For a huge amount of money and because equity is similar to common law.
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1:03:26 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction], within 24 hours of my notice arriving at the medical council, I was taken off.
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1:03:34 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]etely left me.
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1:03:35 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]er and never tried anything against me.
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With Sam, they've kept her on the register, but so far they haven't been able to get her
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So they keep trying as far as we can see, but not getting anywhere.
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So that's where we're at.
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So no, we're great, though.
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We're really happy.
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Family's safe and everything's going well for us on the home front.
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1:03:59 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ing.
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I'll say that's for sure.
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I remember them.
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What's the view of her videos?
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She's absolutely spot on as a doctor.
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Yeah, well, Sam, it's funny because, as I say, she's one of those rare doctors.
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That's never had a patient complaint.
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1:04:21 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]iced for 16 years of clinical medicine.
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I've never had one.
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Amazing, isn't it?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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1:04:28 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ruggle to these days because of how the nature of the system.
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It's pretty hard to do.
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So yeah, getting on to look Montaña and HIV sequences.
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1:04:42 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]e because they think that when they start talking about probabilities
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of these sequences being found in nature, etc., what they're being misled with is that
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they're basing that on GenBank designations.
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1:04:59 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]d on GenBank when, in fact, there's no evidence that an
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1:05:07 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]s or certainly not a pathogenic one.
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And the other thing to keep in mind with HIV is that unlike even within the viral paradigm,
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HIV is ridiculous.
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The sequences are permitted to vary by 30 to 40 percent.
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Can you imagine that?
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I mean, the difference between us and a chimp that we share about 98 percent of our genetic
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material and yet look how different we are from a chimp.
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HIV, even within HIV, is supposed to be a particle that's exactly the same almost,
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but the sequences are allowed to vary by up to 40 percent.
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I mean, that makes no sense.
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That's like the difference between us and a worm.
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And yet they're all counted as HIV sequences.
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I don't know why people go along with this kind of stuff.
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It makes zero sense whatsoever.
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So when Montaña says things like, well, these sequences that seem to be appearing in SARS-CoV-2,
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if that's what he said, seem to be similar to HIV sequences,
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and there's a very low chance that that would happen in nature.
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I mean, it's all based on the faulty premise that the sequences were shown to come from
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1:06:28 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction] the same problem with, I think it's like GP120 and other proteins that are
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supposedly specific to HIV.
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That's never been shown.
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There's no... I know that appears in textbooks and what they'll teach you about so-called HIV,
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but there's no paper you can go to on the planet which shows you
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that these glycoproteins come from the NHIV particle that doesn't exist.
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So yeah, there's actually...
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I can't think of the name of the paper, but it was written by
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Eleni Papadopoulos in [privacy contact redaction]ion that came from Peter Duesberg
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because as you probably know, Duesberg suggested that the HIV particle exists,
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but that it's a harmless passenger retrovirus and that it doesn't cause disease,
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it doesn't cause AIDS.
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But Eleni did a very good response to Peter basically saying, well, where is the...
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where can we find the paper that shows that those sequences you're talking about are specific
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because they're not specific at all.
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1:07:42 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]ion, Gary?
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It's... I think we see this all the time.
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Yeah, people say to us, but look, it's HIV sequences and that,
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1:07:50 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction] to go back and say they're not HIV sequences in the sense of
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they were never shown to relate to a pathogenic particle.
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Yeah, all right. Thank you. Appreciate it.
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Thanks.
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All right, Jerry.
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1:08:09 --> 1:08:10
Hi, can you hear me?
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Yeah.
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I had an echo earlier on.
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1:08:16 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] coming in, both of me coming in.
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Hi Mark, very, very welcome to...
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Well, I suppose, welcome to this hemisphere.
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1:08:28 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] of us are from the Northern Hemisphere.
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Are we? Charles, would correct me on that perhaps.
962
1:08:36 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] of the world's population, 90% of the world's population is the Northern Hemisphere.
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So that makes it fairly safe, doesn't it?
964
1:08:46 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]s do, I find it necessary to fill people in, people like you, in on who I am.
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1:08:53 --> 1:08:57
I'm Dr. Gerry Waters. I'm a GP. I qualified in 1977.
966
1:08:57 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] 40 years as a GP.
967
1:09:02 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ruck off the... Well, I was suspended from the Medical Council 19 months ago,
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from the Medical Council for refusing to go along with the COVID hoax.
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1:09:16 --> 1:09:20
I refused to accept the pathogenicity.
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1:09:20 --> 1:09:27
And here, Steve was saying, he hasn't come across a doctor that agrees with him.
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1:09:27 --> 1:09:32
Pretty much every time I spoke on this Zoom, I've agreed with Steve.
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1:09:32 --> 1:09:35
And so I don't know where he's not been listening to me.
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1:09:35 --> 1:09:39
But I believe that there is a virus.
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1:09:39 --> 1:09:46
I happen to subscribe to the concept that there is an infective entity.
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1:09:46 --> 1:09:49
Call it what you like. I don't care whether it's called a virus, whether it's...
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Whatever it is.
977
1:09:50 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] taught me.
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I've been through 40 winters.
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I've been through [privacy contact redaction]e coming in with sniffles and snots and coughs.
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1:10:01 --> 1:10:06
I've gone home and a day later developed those sniffles and snots,
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snotty nose and running nose and that.
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1:10:08 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] gotten them.
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I can think of no other.
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You can tell me it's environmental.
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You can tell me it's dietary.
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You can tell me what you like.
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But I can think of no other entity that would account for those sequences.
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1:10:25 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] experienced over a 40 year period.
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Again, over that 40 year period, every year I've had, I've seen a hundred,
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1:10:37 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]e who came in with viral,
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what I consider to be classical viral infections.
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I generally didn't treat them.
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And if there was some symptoms in their chest, I always listened to the chest.
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Look at the ears. Look at the eye.
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Look into the throat.
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And if there were symptoms down there, I would perhaps give a steroid or some,
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1:11:06 --> 1:11:12
you know, what has now been replaced by ivermectin as an anti-inflammatory.
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1:11:12 --> 1:11:20
But and over a 40 year period, like you, I never had a complaint about my treatment.
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Now, I have had complaints from people,
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1:11:21 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]e tried to get into my practice.
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1:11:24 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]e trying to get into my practice and I refused them.
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And they got upset and reported that I wasn't nice enough to them when I was telling them
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1:11:34 --> 1:11:35
I wasn't taking them in.
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1:11:35 --> 1:11:39
But, you know, so I have I've been subjected because there again,
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1:11:40 --> 1:11:42
if you're 40 years in the business, a couple of things happen.
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1:11:42 --> 1:11:45
You probably get a little bit more cranky as you go along.
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1:11:45 --> 1:11:48
And perhaps you're not quite as diplomatic as you were,
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1:11:48 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] 20 years.
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1:11:51 --> 1:11:59
But no, sorry, I thought originally, Mark, that you were a co-author on Virus Mania.
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I now see that you're not.
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1:12:00 --> 1:12:06
So I suppose I can't really tackle you on the things that I found that I disagree with
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1:12:06 --> 1:12:10
in that book, but I will tackle you on the things that you brought up.
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You were talking about the viruses within plants.
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1:12:16 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]e being grind grinding them up and rubbing them together.
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1:12:21 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ant.
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1:12:27 --> 1:12:36
That, of course, you know, you know, your argument there saying, well, that's not an infection.
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1:12:36 --> 1:12:45
Well, that blows malaria, dendrofever, white nile fever, rabies right out of the water.
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1:12:45 --> 1:12:51
They don't exist as as infections or as you know, because they do,
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because in all of those cases, they're injected in.
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1:12:55 --> 1:13:00
And they're injected not only are they injected in, but oftentimes they need another vector.
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1:13:00 --> 1:13:03
Sometimes you need a little protozoan or you need a little
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some other organism to carry them into your body.
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1:13:08 --> 1:13:11
So your argument about the.
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1:13:13 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]ants being ground up and rubbed together that doesn't wash.
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1:13:18 --> 1:13:19
Would you care to comment on that?
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1:13:22 --> 1:13:25
Yeah, well, Jerry, you're conflating so many things here, but I can unpack.
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And I'm happy to comment on virus mania because it was co authored by my wife.
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1:13:29 --> 1:13:33
So I pretty much know every paragraph of the book pretty well.
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The what you're talking about here is you're talking about clusters of illness,
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1:13:38 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]e getting sick together, which does not require a contagious entity.
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If we're talking about contagion, that that's a very specific thing.
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It's a microbe that's transmitting between organisms and allegedly causing disease.
1034
1:13:56 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]er to show that hypothesis is true, you'd have to do clinical experiments.
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Now, I don't know if you can show me an experiment in history, which has ever demonstrated
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that phenomenon because I've looked at hundreds of them and every single one has failed.
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1:14:16 --> 1:14:21
You may be aware of the Rosena experiments, which were done in World War One,
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where they tried to transmit the Spanish flu and had a 100% failure rate.
1039
1:14:28 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] doing light techniques.
1040
1:14:31 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]e, giving it to other people to swallow.
1041
1:14:36 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]e who were sick, coughing and other people's faces.
1042
1:14:39 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]e who had the Spanish flu and injecting it directly into other people.
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They couldn't get one case of human to human transmission.
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They tried it with horses as well.
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That didn't work.
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But that was a very specific case.
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They tried to repeat that in subsequent years with influenza and couldn't get one example
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of human to human transmission.
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This is not peculiar to the flu.
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1:15:08 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction] with every single alleged viral and bacterial infection that
1051
1:15:14 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]rate in a clinical study that one animal or human can have a
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1:15:21 --> 1:15:21
virus.
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1:15:21 --> 1:15:26
With tobacco mosaic virus, that's not an example.
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1:15:26 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]e earlier.
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1:15:27 --> 1:15:33
It would be like someone is poisoned with a substance such as arsenic and then they break
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out in a skin rash and form vesicles as the body tries to eject the arsenic from their
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1:15:39 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]em.
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1:15:40 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]e of fluid from that vesicle and inject it into the body.
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1:15:45 --> 1:15:47
That's not evidence of contagion.
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1:15:47 --> 1:15:54
That's just evidence of a toxin that you've taken from one area or person and injected
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1:15:54 --> 1:15:54
it into another.
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1:15:55 --> 1:16:03
That was similar to how they showed in quotes transmission of things such as measles and
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chickenpox.
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1:16:04 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ly the same thing.
1065
1:16:06 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ly the same thing.
1066
1:16:08 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ly the same thing.
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1:16:10 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]e and then injected it into either children
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or other non-human primates and then observed skin reactions in them and said that, well,
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there you go.
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That's evidence of contagion when it's not at all.
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1:16:31 --> 1:16:33
I mean, even taking...
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1:16:33 --> 1:16:35
I mean, you'd know this, Gerry.
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If I took some blood from my veins, even though I'm not sick, and injected it into you, it
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1:16:42 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
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1:16:44 --> 1:16:50
I mean, worst case scenario, it could kill you, but that's not an example of contagion.
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1:16:50 --> 1:16:54
Again, it's just an example of injecting foreign biological material.
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1:16:54 --> 1:16:55
That's right.
1078
1:16:55 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction]ly.
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1:16:55 --> 1:17:01
So you're saying that when you're taking a sample of fluid from a person, you're injecting
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it into the body.
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1:17:03 --> 1:17:12
So are you saying that when malaria is transferred by means of a mosquito, that it's purely and
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1:17:12 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]y due to the poison, the toxin, rather than the protozoa that's actually transferred
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from one person to another?
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1:17:26 --> 1:17:30
Or the same thing with Degu fever.
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1:17:31 --> 1:17:34
Or take something like rabies.
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That's injected into you.
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1:17:36 --> 1:17:37
That again is a virus.
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1:17:38 --> 1:17:40
Wait, look, we can get bogged down.
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You asked, am I familiar with studies?
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1:17:42 --> 1:17:43
No, I'm not.
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1:17:43 --> 1:17:49
I've been too busy as a GP, actually working on the front line, looking after patients
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1:17:49 --> 1:17:51
over a 40-year period.
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1:17:51 --> 1:17:54
I've actually taken two holidays in that 40-year period.
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1:17:54 --> 1:17:57
One of those is to spend six weeks in New Zealand as it happens.
1095
1:17:58 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]ually love doing what I do.
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1:18:02 --> 1:18:08
But overall, no, I haven't got the studies, partly because I don't believe studies.
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1:18:08 --> 1:18:14
And having seen what went on with COVID in the last year, I think I've been very, very
1098
1:18:14 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction] and my feelings and my basic medical education, rather than
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1:18:22 --> 1:18:24
go on the experts.
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In the book, it says that in your wife's book, that not to go on experts.
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That the idea of...
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It's under the concept...
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1:18:39 --> 1:18:40
Charles, could you move to Alex Bailey?
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1:18:40 --> 1:18:42
Oh, yeah, okay.
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1:18:42 --> 1:18:42
What?
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1:18:43 --> 1:18:44
It's okay.
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1:18:44 --> 1:18:46
There was someone making a noise there.
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Yeah.
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1:18:48 --> 1:18:48
What is it?
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It says it, nullitus in verba, which essentially means don't trust what someone says.
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1:18:56 --> 1:19:01
And I go by what it says in, in effect, your wife's book.
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I don't go on what people say.
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1:19:03 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction] my 40 winters and the 250 or 300,[privacy contact redaction] seen.
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And I've got to admit, it fits with...
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You see, you dismissed the idea of contagion.
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1:19:19 --> 1:19:26
Yes, I would believe that within an area, say in Selbridge or out, you know, Dublin West,
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that there would be what I would consider an epidemic of a viral infection.
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1:19:33 --> 1:19:34
And it fits.
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1:19:35 --> 1:19:39
It fits with my idea, my original education of the virus.
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And, you know, it just fits.
1121
1:19:42 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ephen's point, where Stephen was saying about the idea of, you know,
1122
1:19:48 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction] the sort of diagnosis of viruses are real, you got to admit that before
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1:19:56 --> 1:20:04
the microscope was invented, or before the microscope was used on looking at infections,
1124
1:20:05 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]eria didn't exist.
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1:20:07 --> 1:20:13
What I'm saying is, and I would propose that perhaps we just haven't got an instrument
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1:20:13 --> 1:20:14
to show up these viruses.
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I don't know if they exist or not.
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1:20:17 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]y fits my picture.
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1:20:23 --> 1:20:28
Now, as I say, there may well be an instrument that would be invented.
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1:20:28 --> 1:20:34
It's arrogant of us to think that we were there yet, that in effect we have all the
1131
1:20:34 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ruments to demonstrate things.
1132
1:20:37 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ulate that there is some infective agent.
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1:20:41 --> 1:20:42
I don't care what you call it.
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1:20:43 --> 1:20:46
You know, but I know that Dolores Cahill, and Dolores Cahill is
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1:20:47 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] that I like, trust in a highly intelligent person.
1136
1:20:52 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] identified viruses, that they have an effect, particularly fish
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1:20:58 --> 1:20:59
viruses.
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1:20:59 --> 1:21:04
And there are viruses, viruses do exist, according to Dolores Cahill.
1139
1:21:04 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] never looked down, I haven't looked down a microscope in
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1:21:10 --> 1:21:14
dozens of years, and I haven't looked down, I've never looked into or looked at the screen
1141
1:21:14 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]ron microscope.
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1:21:16 --> 1:21:21
So I can't say no, but I will stick with my experience.
1143
1:21:23 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]ure, but that doesn't mean to say that it is actually these
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1:21:29 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]esses.
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1:21:33 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]esses.
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1:21:34 --> 1:21:36
Yeah, but you're using your word.
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1:21:36 --> 1:21:44
I'm saying you get a group of symptoms and signs, and they seem to spread from person
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1:21:44 --> 1:21:45
to person.
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1:21:45 --> 1:21:52
And I say I can only use my 40 years experience, my 40 winters, but, you know, the 200, 250,
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1:21:52 --> 1:21:57
300,[privacy contact redaction]e that I've seen that it fits with that.
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1:21:57 --> 1:22:00
You know, as I say, somebody coughs, sneezes, spits on me.
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1:22:00 --> 1:22:02
I go home a day or two later.
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1:22:03 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]art exhibiting similar symptoms.
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1:22:07 --> 1:22:07
Oh, yeah, you sure.
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1:22:07 --> 1:22:09
That's my imagination.
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1:22:09 --> 1:22:12
But, you know, I don't tell my wife, I don't tell my kids.
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1:22:12 --> 1:22:14
The next thing they're coming around and say, hey, Dad, I've got that.
1158
1:22:14 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ay, you know, like I'm sorry, but that's the way it
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1:22:19 --> 1:22:20
fits with me.
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1:22:20 --> 1:22:29
Now, I don't as for the COVID, I've said and I was struck off because I said this, the
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1:22:29 --> 1:22:32
pathogenicity of whatever that was called a virus.
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1:22:32 --> 1:22:33
I don't care what you call it.
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1:22:33 --> 1:22:35
A coronavirus.
1164
1:22:35 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ence.
1165
1:22:38 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ence using a totally false, dishonest PCR test.
1166
1:22:45 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ence to cause panic within the people to facilitate the use of a
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1:22:55 --> 1:23:02
cull, a messenger RNA vaccine and the totalitarian control of...
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1:23:02 --> 1:23:04
Okay, Jerry, Jerry, stop.
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1:23:04 --> 1:23:04
Stop.
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1:23:04 --> 1:23:07
Jerry, otherwise, we'll hear you for half an hour.
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1:23:07 --> 1:23:09
We've been going for 15 minutes so far.
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1:23:09 --> 1:23:10
Let's give Mark an answer.
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1:23:10 --> 1:23:14
I think there's a lot of questions, but you've expressed excellent views.
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1:23:14 --> 1:23:16
So, Mark, first over to you.
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1:23:18 --> 1:23:21
Yeah, I mean, we've just we've just spilled out into so many different topics here.
1176
1:23:21 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] to Jerry that if you go to our website, you can see we've actually
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1:23:26 --> 1:23:28
made videos on many of these topics.
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1:23:30 --> 1:23:33
Getting into things like rabies is no, no, no.
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1:23:33 --> 1:23:35
That's a minor part of what we've done during.
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1:23:36 --> 1:23:40
If you go to our website, you'll see there's hundreds of videos and articles that we've
1181
1:23:40 --> 1:23:42
covered much of the material that you're asking about here.
1182
1:23:43 --> 1:23:49
So again, with something like rabies, you do not need a virus to explain what rabies is.
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1:23:50 --> 1:23:52
It's a recapital, I guess.
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1:23:52 --> 1:23:53
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry.
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1:23:53 --> 1:23:56
It doesn't matter what the clinical picture is.
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1:23:56 --> 1:23:57
It does not require a virus.
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1:23:57 --> 1:24:02
You can watch Sam's video about rabies, which should probably be the quickest way to get to
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1:24:02 --> 1:24:03
the bottom of that.
1189
1:24:03 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]unned with Jerry there was that you should have noticed that I don't
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1:24:11 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]en to experts.
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1:24:12 --> 1:24:14
I did my own research.
1192
1:24:14 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] made a whole lot of claims, as have the infectious diseases specialists.
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1:24:19 --> 1:24:26
I went and had a look at the sources that they cite in their textbooks, in the WHO
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1:24:26 --> 1:24:27
documents, in the CDC.
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1:24:28 --> 1:24:35
And the methodology of the papers does not back up their claims of things such as contagion.
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1:24:35 --> 1:24:41
There's no demonstration of contagion with any disease, as you're talking about.
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1:24:41 --> 1:24:47
So I'm not sure why you've got a problem with the fact that the studies, the experimental
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1:24:47 --> 1:24:53
studies, cannot back up the claims that you're making, that anything is transmitting between
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1:24:53 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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1:24:54 --> 1:25:01
So if you take things like scurvy and pellagra, they were also thought to be infectious diseases
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1:25:01 --> 1:25:07
because of man's imagination and thinking that everything seems to be passing around.
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1:25:07 --> 1:25:12
So both of those, where people used to be put into isolation when they had those conditions,
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1:25:12 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]etely correct it.
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1:25:21 --> 1:25:22
That's hundreds of years ago.
1205
1:25:22 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]eds of years when there were no microscopes.
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1:25:26 --> 1:25:27
They had no idea.
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1:25:28 --> 1:25:33
When you go back to scurvy and that, literally they had no idea what causes any disease.
1208
1:25:36 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ague of London was supposedly, what was it, a myasoma or whatever it was.
1209
1:25:42 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ed through the air.
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1:25:46 --> 1:25:51
To go back to quote those things, I think is, well, not legit.
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1:25:51 --> 1:25:56
No, I think you're actually incorrect again because pellagra was described centuries ago.
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1:25:56 --> 1:25:59
But unfortunately, the Western world ignored the literature.
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1:25:59 --> 1:26:02
It was described as a dietary deficiency.
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1:26:02 --> 1:26:08
There were patterns that were recognized a long, long time ago, well before modern medicine.
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1:26:09 --> 1:26:16
And yet, unfortunately, it wasn't until last century that they worked out that pellagra
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1:26:16 --> 1:26:17
was a vitamin problem.
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1:26:18 --> 1:26:19
So no, that's not true.
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1:26:20 --> 1:26:22
They often knew far more than we thought.
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1:26:22 --> 1:26:31
But I think you're hanging on to the viral hypothesis when their own experiments have
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1:26:31 --> 1:26:32
refuted themselves.
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1:26:32 --> 1:26:40
And I'm not sure how you can hold tenable scientific evidence that has no controls
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1:26:42 --> 1:26:44
and that has refuted itself over and over again.
1223
1:26:44 --> 1:26:47
And I'm not talking about just contagion experiments.
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1:26:47 --> 1:26:52
We're talking about genomics, cell cultures, PCR, antibodies.
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1:26:52 --> 1:26:54
None of it's been done with valid control.
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1:26:54 --> 1:26:56
None of it followed the scientific method.
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1:26:56 --> 1:26:58
And that's what we're looking at.
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1:26:58 --> 1:27:01
We're not relying on opinions of experts or anything like that.
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1:27:01 --> 1:27:04
We're actually just looking at the scientific evidence.
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1:27:05 --> 1:27:06
Of course you are.
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1:27:06 --> 1:27:07
You're very good.
1232
1:27:07 --> 1:27:11
Jerry, Jerry, that's already nearly 20 minutes.
1233
1:27:11 --> 1:27:13
So enough.
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1:27:13 --> 1:27:13
Thank you.
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1:27:13 --> 1:27:14
Thank you.
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1:27:14 --> 1:27:17
It's a legitimate argument by the same token.
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1:27:18 --> 1:27:20
Well, it's a great argument.
1238
1:27:21 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]and this is a very...
1239
1:27:26 --> 1:27:29
I've been facilitating groups for 29 years.
1240
1:27:30 --> 1:27:37
Stephen has created a space where we're not trying to convince each other of anything.
1241
1:27:37 --> 1:27:38
Jerry's expressed a view.
1242
1:27:38 --> 1:27:39
Mark's expressed a view.
1243
1:27:39 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]en to these views.
1244
1:27:41 --> 1:27:43
You don't have to come out a winner.
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1:27:44 --> 1:27:46
You know, stop this model.
1246
1:27:46 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]e disagree, one has to win, one has to lose.
1247
1:27:50 --> 1:27:50
It's not so.
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1:27:51 --> 1:27:54
Very rarely in life is it black and white.
1249
1:27:54 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]en to the conversation.
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1:27:56 --> 1:27:57
Make your choice, Jerry.
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1:27:57 --> 1:27:59
And thank you.
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1:27:59 --> 1:28:00
Anna is next from...
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1:28:00 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction], I forgot which state, Anna, of the US.
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1:28:06 --> 1:28:07
Thank you so much, Mark.
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1:28:08 --> 1:28:13
I think that one of the problems that scientists and doctors are having
1256
1:28:13 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]and that there are alternative explanations to what is going on.
1257
1:28:19 --> 1:28:24
We know that there's a correlation to 5G, to heavy metals, to...
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1:28:24 --> 1:28:27
In the shots now we're seeing...
1259
1:28:27 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] brought out that the Department of Defense
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1:28:30 --> 1:28:33
is really in charge of the entire operation
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1:28:33 --> 1:28:40
and that there's a lot of resistance, particularly in the freedom fighters,
1262
1:28:40 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction], number one, the virus delusion theory,
1263
1:28:44 --> 1:28:47
and then also the microtechnology theory,
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1:28:47 --> 1:28:54
and then also anything that really challenges the usual paradigm.
1265
1:28:54 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] is, is that exactly what you started your talk with, Mark,
1266
1:28:59 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]udies and you can find the fraud
1267
1:29:03 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]iovascular disease, arteriosclerosis, all of that.
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1:29:07 --> 1:29:13
That is the Rockefeller medicine science model
1269
1:29:13 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]s, universities, medical journals.
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1:29:19 --> 1:29:22
They own them, not enslaved, they own them.
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1:29:22 --> 1:29:27
And that much of what we know as clinicians has been fraud.
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1:29:27 --> 1:29:28
It's false.
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1:29:29 --> 1:29:34
And to get to the point of really being open-minded
1274
1:29:34 --> 1:29:41
and to say there is such a huge nefarious thing going on in this world,
1275
1:29:41 --> 1:29:48
a deception on a global scale that has deceived so many people,
1276
1:29:48 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]s, your methodology
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1:29:53 --> 1:29:59
and your meticulous approach in the PDF that you brought down
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1:29:59 --> 1:30:03
to take every single argument and to document that
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1:30:03 --> 1:30:05
has been phenomenal.
1280
1:30:05 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] want to say thank you for that.
1281
1:30:08 --> 1:30:14
And the flak that you've been getting from all sides has been tremendous.
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1:30:14 --> 1:30:19
But I think it all fits together now with some of us scientists
1283
1:30:19 --> 1:30:23
who are looking at the vase, who are looking at the nanotechnology,
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1:30:23 --> 1:30:26
who are looking at 5G, at the weaponization
1285
1:30:27 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]t and using psychological warfare
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1:30:35 --> 1:30:37
through disinformation through that.
1287
1:30:37 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] I want to thank you for that.
1288
1:30:41 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]s to the nanotechnology
1289
1:30:44 --> 1:30:49
that I know that Sam has also brought forward and the heavy metals
1290
1:30:49 --> 1:30:55
because you know that some of the symptoms of the previous pandemics
1291
1:30:55 --> 1:30:59
were caused by, for example, spreading arsenic and apple orchards.
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1:30:59 --> 1:31:04
And these heavy metals is the same thing that is being used in all vaccines.
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1:31:04 --> 1:31:09
Every single one of them has nano contamination of iron oxide,
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1:31:09 --> 1:31:14
titanium, tungsten, et cetera, just like the ones that are COVID-19.
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1:31:14 --> 1:31:18
And that weapons experts are telling us that that's all you need as an antenna
1296
1:31:18 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] a body, to kill it, to infect it with any type of symptoms
1297
1:31:23 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ious disease but are not.
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1:31:28 --> 1:31:31
Could you comment on the part of the micro technology
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and the nano contaminations, quote unquote, that are found in all vaccines
1300
1:31:36 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]ually causing the pandemics worldwide?
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1:31:40 --> 1:31:44
So Mark, before you start, Anna, can you just check,
1302
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as you were talking, there's a lot of static.
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I think it's possibly from your microphone.
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1:31:50 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]s now.
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Can you hear me? Okay.
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1:31:55 --> 1:31:58
Yes, there's the static from your microphone.
1307
1:31:58 --> 1:32:00
Okay, at least we've identified that, everybody.
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1:32:00 --> 1:32:01
That's the only issue.
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1:32:01 --> 1:32:01
No worries.
1310
1:32:01 --> 1:32:03
We can hear you loud and clear.
1311
1:32:03 --> 1:32:04
It's just a lot of static.
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1:32:04 --> 1:32:05
All right, Mark, over to you.
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1:32:07 --> 1:32:10
Well, thank you, Anna, for those lovely words.
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Yeah, and just to touch on to what you mentioned about contamination environment.
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And yeah, this is a problem.
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1:32:20 --> 1:32:25
And why are we trying to expose this fake virus theory?
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Because what's happening is that over and over again,
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1:32:29 --> 1:32:34
there are things that happen, environmental contaminations,
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which are then blamed conveniently on viruses that nobody can find.
1320
1:32:38 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]e, yeah, was polio.
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1:32:42 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]ern world was poisoned in the last century with lead arsenate and DDT.
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1:32:49 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]e got neurological symptoms and paralyzed,
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and they invented the virus model to cover up that.
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1:32:56 --> 1:33:03
And then miraculously, in countries like ours, Australia and UK, America,
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1:33:03 --> 1:33:10
polio disappeared when DDT and these other pesticides were basically taken off the market.
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1:33:10 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] world because they started exporting
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1:33:15 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] world, which they still do today.
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1:33:18 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] world are not even consistent with what's on the label
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1:33:24 --> 1:33:28
because they know that they won't take them basically,
1330
1:33:28 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] that appears like it's killing weeds or killing insects.
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1:33:33 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ill contain some of these absolutely diabolical compounds.
1332
1:33:38 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] in these countries in Africa, a lot of these hemorrhagic fevers and other illnesses
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1:33:45 --> 1:33:52
we're seeing are simply contamination in their environment, being blamed on zoonotic viruses,
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1:33:52 --> 1:33:55
they call them, just jumping out of the jungle and affecting people.
1335
1:33:56 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]etely wrong because none of these alleged diseases ever get into
1336
1:34:02 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] world, basically.
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1:34:05 --> 1:34:10
So yeah, I think it's a really important thing what you said, is that often it is
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basically contamination in our environment, which is being covered up.
1339
1:34:15 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]arted with the Rockefellers and other institutions.
1340
1:34:22 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] to the microtech, yeah, it's a tough one.
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1:34:25 --> 1:34:32
So we've got teams in New Zealand that have done analyses of the vaccine contents
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1:34:32 --> 1:34:35
and it's hard to know exactly what's in them.
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1:34:35 --> 1:34:41
I've, most of the time we don't actually deal with that issue because we deal with the upstream
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1:34:41 --> 1:34:47
issue, which is that we don't believe that there's any evidence whatsoever that there
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1:34:47 --> 1:34:53
is pathogens, whether they're viruses and quotes or bacteria or any other microbes.
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1:34:53 --> 1:34:59
So to us, it's more important showing people that there's no need to get an injection in
1347
1:34:59 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] for anything, whether it's tetanus or rabies or any of the above.
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1:35:08 --> 1:35:13
Because again, we've looked into all of these and there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever
1349
1:35:13 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]ions has any benefit to the recipients.
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1:35:18 --> 1:35:26
So yeah, I don't know, the microtech stuff, the nanotech stuff, I mean, I'm sure they're
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1:35:26 --> 1:35:32
working on it, but it's difficult to know for me. I can't really comment on the extent to
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1:35:32 --> 1:35:39
how well developed it is and how much it's been distributed. I would say, don't buy into these
1353
1:35:39 --> 1:35:45
fear narratives. That's one thing that has concerned us with a lot of the freedom community
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1:35:45 --> 1:35:51
is that even when they come to grips with the fact that COVID has been a scam,
1355
1:35:52 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]art getting worried that there are other things going on, which are going to
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1:35:56 --> 1:36:02
cause major problems, whether it's release of some sort of nanotech or whatever. I personally think
1357
1:36:02 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] And if you're leading a life of best nutrition, best habits,
1358
1:36:13 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ion, all those sorts of things, you've got every chance of being well.
1359
1:36:18 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]and that, I think we'll all be in a much better place. But
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1:36:23 --> 1:36:27
yeah, it's not the nanotech stuff is not something we've done a couple of
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1:36:28 --> 1:36:33
articles and videos on it, but it's not something we've spent a lot of time looking into.
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All right, Mark, thank you. And Mark, Anna did a wonderful presentation to us a couple of weeks
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1:36:42 --> 1:36:49
ago. I'll send you the link to her presentation. And did a wonderful traversing of a wide range
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1:36:49 --> 1:36:55
of health modalities and learning modalities that I think you would thoroughly enjoy. And Anna,
1365
1:36:56 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ly. I was raised that way to go broadly. And the one question
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1:37:05 --> 1:37:10
that we're not addressing is, hey, it's something external that's made us sick. Well, Mark, you just
1367
1:37:10 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]e's attention. If you're not healthy, you're not going to be
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particularly well. And I was raised at an early age that when you're getting stuff out of your
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1:37:21 --> 1:37:25
body, that's a wonderful elimination process. But we want to stop the elimination.
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Yeah. And Charles, I just have to say, I mean, Sam and I, we're a living example with our family
1371
1:37:32 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction] nothing to do with the allopathic medical system. Like our kids are not registered
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1:37:38 --> 1:37:44
for anything. They're not vaccinated. One of our three kids in the last decade,
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1:37:45 --> 1:37:50
one of them has basically had a pharmaceutical, which was five days of antibiotics. And that was
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1:37:50 --> 1:37:57
10 years ago. And we regret that now. That was a mistake. But within our family, I mean,
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1:37:57 --> 1:38:02
we're a family of five, we are incredibly healthy. And as I say, nobody's registered with a GP.
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1:38:03 --> 1:38:07
Nobody gets vaccinations. Nobody takes a pharmacy. I don't think I've had
1377
1:38:08 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] three years that would include paracetamol,
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1:38:13 --> 1:38:21
aspirin. I don't take any of that stuff. You simply we have basically rejected all of the training
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1:38:21 --> 1:38:27
that we received in allopathic medicine. And I guess people try and say we're naturopaths. Now
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1:38:27 --> 1:38:34
we're happy to be I'm honestly, I think it's far more powerful in terms of leading to
1381
1:38:34 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] health compared to anything the allopathic medicine medical system has to offer.
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1:38:40 --> 1:38:47
And unfortunately, I have family members who still buy into these medical models and their kids are
1383
1:38:47 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] got these inflammatory conditions. They're constantly having antibiotics
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1:38:54 --> 1:39:01
and all this sort of thing. And it's, yeah, it's, as I say, I think the best all of us can do
1385
1:39:02 --> 1:39:09
in this sort of movement we're part of is to show that it is possible to be incredibly healthy and
1386
1:39:09 --> 1:39:15
live without fear, and not listen to these nonsense coming from public health officials
1387
1:39:15 --> 1:39:17
and the WHO and CDC, etc.
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1:39:19 --> 1:39:27
Well said, Mark. Well, you'll see Ray Zipsa-Locker. Wonderful Latin maxim used by lawyers.
1389
1:39:27 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]s speak for themselves. And I'm [privacy contact redaction]en. I don't have a doctor.
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1:39:36 --> 1:39:40
I've never been to hospital except for a vasectomy and a reversal of vasectomy.
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1:39:40 --> 1:39:49
And if you live life as Mark says, and if you live as he's done, and if you live life as I've done,
1392
1:39:49 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] done that, you don't get sick. And if you do get sick,
1393
1:39:55 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]op for three days and you're back as good as normal, rather than this allopathic model that
1394
1:40:00 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction] to put some poison into your body. So let's not go there. But this forum, you see,
1395
1:40:08 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]s to be healthy. Do you want to be healthy? If you don't
1396
1:40:14 --> 1:40:19
want to be healthy, don't come to this forum. And if you're provoked by conversations about
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1:40:19 --> 1:40:26
getting healthy, good. Be provoked because 60 plus percent of Americans, Australians,
1398
1:40:26 --> 1:40:33
English, I don't know about New Zealanders, probably, over 60% of the populations are
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1:40:33 --> 1:40:39
overweight or obese. How the hell can you cleanse complain about being unhealthy?
1400
1:40:40 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]ewart, over to you. That's great, Charles. Thank you. Yeah, I was up until
1401
1:40:49 --> 1:40:54
I wasn't going to preface this with with this comment until you were talking about that. But
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1:40:54 --> 1:41:01
up until 2018, I followed the standard standard American diet and the protocols and the
1403
1:41:02 --> 1:41:07
the advice on how to be healthy. But I wasn't healthy and I was way overweight. And I had all
1404
1:41:07 --> 1:41:15
the chronic diseases of old age. I was only 61 that I felt 10 or 15 years older. Four years later,
1405
1:41:15 --> 1:41:23
now, after learning about health and the microbiome and all the different things,
1406
1:41:24 --> 1:41:30
removing the toxins, giving yourself the good nutrition, all of that. I'm 120 pounds lighter.
1407
1:41:32 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ead of 65, I feel like I'm 35. And I act like I'm 35. Now, why do you change your name
1408
1:41:41 --> 1:41:50
to Randy? Does that have something to do with it? Randy, your microphone's very low or I don't know
1409
1:41:50 --> 1:41:58
whether it's something on. Yes, sometimes this mic will do that on me. That's better. That's better.
1410
1:41:58 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] got it closer to my mouth. So I will speak up too. So
1411
1:42:05 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction], and thank you, Dr. Bailey, for being willing to question. I know
1412
1:42:16 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ioned. It doesn't necessarily mean we have all the answers. I know
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1:42:21 --> 1:42:27
I don't. People always want to know, well, if you're telling me everything, it's not. What is it?
1414
1:42:28 --> 1:42:34
One of the things that I've thought about and I want to get your comment on it is,
1415
1:42:35 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]on is, she's spoken often about a presentation by Dr. James Giordano
1416
1:42:44 --> 1:42:51
that was given at Georgetown University in [privacy contact redaction] been
1417
1:42:51 --> 1:42:57
working on psychological operations to trigger pandemics for decades.
1418
1:43:00 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] and time, an outbreak is triggered by a poison, an EMF, a sound waveform
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1:43:09 --> 1:43:18
weapon, or even a pathogen that makes people sick but has limited spread. Then this is coupled with
1420
1:43:18 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]ia response and propagates fear and panic in the general
1421
1:43:25 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]e of this would be the anthrax scare in the US after 9-11.
1422
1:43:39 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] Giordano gave because he said even his organization,
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1:43:45 --> 1:43:50
that was one of the ones where they had a spill of some equal or sweet and low or something like
1424
1:43:50 --> 1:43:55
that in the mail room and they had to lock down their facility because they thought it was
1425
1:43:55 --> 1:44:04
anthrax powder. So when Omicon, I call it Omicon, was identified all of a sudden,
1426
1:44:05 --> 1:44:13
all cases of C-19 were all of a sudden Omicon. It was seemingly a badge of honor to get sick
1427
1:44:13 --> 1:44:21
and announce that you knew you had Omicon. So like I said, people want to know if there's no virus
1428
1:44:21 --> 1:44:28
and I'm on the fence but I'm starting to lean more into your camp of saying okay,
1429
1:44:30 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction], I don't think there's a specific virus but whether there's any viruses
1430
1:44:34 --> 1:44:44
or not, at all or not, I'm still out on that but I'm researching it and I will follow your website
1431
1:44:44 --> 1:44:52
too to get more information on that. But if it isn't that, obviously they want to know what am I
1432
1:44:52 --> 1:45:03
sick from? And I think it's this Psyop type of situation driven by all these regular illnesses
1433
1:45:03 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] been relabeled as this single one new disease which SARS-CoV-2 is a
1434
1:45:13 --> 1:45:18
new, a novel disease. How can you call something that's too novel? I don't know. I never got that.
1435
1:45:20 --> 1:45:30
But then they enhance the adverse events and the deaths and stuff like that by deadly hospital
1436
1:45:30 --> 1:45:37
protocols. None of the protocols that were authorized for this were ones that got people
1437
1:45:37 --> 1:45:46
better and they created organ failure symptoms and they withheld nutrition to create malnutrition
1438
1:45:46 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]s disease processes. So boil it down to what my question is,
1439
1:45:57 --> 1:46:04
what do you think of this as possibility of being some huge psychological operation
1440
1:46:05 --> 1:46:14
driven by those that would be one possible candidate would be World Economic Forum,
1441
1:46:15 --> 1:46:20
the Great Reset, stuff like that. Maybe it's them, maybe it's a group of other people, I don't know.
1442
1:46:20 --> 1:46:27
But what do you think about that? Is it being a psychological operation to drive people to
1443
1:46:27 --> 1:46:35
relabel everything that's one disease and now everyone's in a panic? What can we do?
1444
1:46:36 --> 1:46:45
Save us all now. Yeah, well it's definitely possible to create the illusion of a pandemic and
1445
1:46:46 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]ually did a good video called How to Create an Epidemic and it goes over some of the
1446
1:46:54 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]ors that are involved when the population is under the illusion that something's
1447
1:46:59 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]es she used was the famous incident in the United States where
1448
1:47:05 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]e thought their windscreens were getting pits, you know, little divots out of them. And
1449
1:47:12 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]ory and everybody started focusing on their windscreens
1450
1:47:18 --> 1:47:24
and there was this absolute epidemic of, you know, problems with people's windscreens.
1451
1:47:24 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]igative committees looking into it, people started panicking that there was some
1452
1:47:28 --> 1:47:34
nuclear fallout, that the Russians had done something. All sorts of hypotheses were being
1453
1:47:34 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction] before they realized it was just a normal phenomenon. There was nothing unusual
1454
1:47:40 --> 1:47:46
about it, the same thing could be found all around the world. So yeah, you do definitely,
1455
1:47:46 --> 1:47:53
and I think what happens in the COVID situation was they did some very careful product placement
1456
1:47:53 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]opping dead in the street or falling, collapsing, you know. We didn't
1457
1:48:00 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]ly where it was or why those people were collapsing but we were being told that it
1458
1:48:05 --> 1:48:11
was a deadly new virus, you know, etc. So the idea was planted. Because I found that what was
1459
1:48:11 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]ing was with the whole lab leak hypothesis and the Wuhan Institute of Virology and people
1460
1:48:18 --> 1:48:25
saying it's a big cover-up, not the case. This was in the mainstream media in early 2020 and
1461
1:48:25 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]ories in the Daily Mail and other publications which were being viewed by
1462
1:48:30 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]e. So these ideas were being created in people's minds that, you know,
1463
1:48:37 --> 1:48:43
potentially this pathogen, in quotes, had escaped from the lab. And I think it does. It creates a
1464
1:48:44 --> 1:48:50
psychological illusion basically that there's something going on that's not. Like you can
1465
1:48:50 --> 1:48:56
imagine if you didn't have, if you were living in a log cabin and didn't see all of that news
1466
1:48:56 --> 1:49:04
coming out of Wuhan in early 2020, you'd walk around as though nothing was unusual because
1467
1:49:05 --> 1:49:10
nothing was unusual. I mean that's what we found amazing when New Zealand went into one of the
1468
1:49:10 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] lockdowns in the world in March 2020. People were basically shut in their homes,
1469
1:49:16 --> 1:49:23
couldn't do anything. And we would just go outside and speak to neighbours going,
1470
1:49:23 --> 1:49:28
there's nothing going on. And they'd go, oh, there's a pandemic, da da da da. And we'd go,
1471
1:49:28 --> 1:49:34
where? Who do you know that's sick? And they'd go, oh, you know, people are dropping dead in
1472
1:49:34 --> 1:49:42
Italy and Wuhan and da da da da. And we'd say to them, have you, do you know anyone? Has anyone
1473
1:49:42 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]ed you and said that there's some terrible thing happening
1474
1:49:46 --> 1:49:51
in this city? Because everyone we talked to says the same thing. They say that the local hospitals
1475
1:49:51 --> 1:49:58
are not full. They say that they don't know anyone. That's unwell. And yet if you tuned into the
1476
1:49:58 --> 1:50:05
internet or the TV, there was just total chaos everywhere. You know, case numbers going through
1477
1:50:05 --> 1:50:11
the roof. So yeah, no, I think you're correct. I think these are largely psychological constructs
1478
1:50:12 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction] absolutely no basis in reality. And as we talked about earlier, there was no new condition.
1479
1:50:18 --> 1:50:25
You can basically see that in the scientific literature. The definition of COVID-19 is nothing
1480
1:50:26 --> 1:50:32
apart from the PCR results. So yeah, I mean, is that sort of what you mean?
1481
1:50:33 --> 1:50:38
That's what I mean, yeah. And I guess the follow-up would be what would be some way to
1482
1:50:40 --> 1:50:45
trigger them, you know, the old hypnotized routine. When I snap my fingers, you'll wake up.
1483
1:50:46 --> 1:50:50
What can we use to snap our fingers that wakes the most people up?
1484
1:50:54 --> 1:51:00
Well, I think the best way is just to show like what you've done. You're a demonstration of what
1485
1:51:00 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]ore health and be healthy. I mean, I think your case alone is an inspiration to
1486
1:51:07 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]e. And Sam and I try and do the same. We try and show that you don't need to live with fear and
1487
1:51:14 --> 1:51:21
panic. And I mean, the reasons people get sick is actually really simple. It comes down to either
1488
1:51:21 --> 1:51:28
they're eating too much rubbish, they're not eating enough good stuff and getting nutrients,
1489
1:51:28 --> 1:51:35
they're not doing enough exercise, or they're being poisoned in some way, like whether intentionally
1490
1:51:35 --> 1:51:44
with, you know, drugs or cigarettes, or some environmental toxins such as DDT.
1491
1:51:45 --> 1:51:49
So the other kind of physical things, once you take care of those four things,
1492
1:51:50 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]ead. And the other realm, of course, is the psychological and spiritual
1493
1:51:56 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]e are incredibly unhappy, and a lot of people are, they don't like their work,
1494
1:52:02 --> 1:52:07
like their family situation, then that will manifest eventually as physical illness as well.
1495
1:52:08 --> 1:52:14
So I mean, I think the principles of health are actually incredibly simple. And that's why I said,
1496
1:52:14 --> 1:52:20
you don't want to listen to public health officials and the CDC, WHO, etc., who all make it
1497
1:52:20 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]icated. They sound like you need teams around the world working out what's going
1498
1:52:25 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction] diseases are coming from. It's all complete nonsense.
1499
1:52:31 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]en to me.
1500
1:52:31 --> 1:52:37
All right, Randy, we've got to keep moving because we're finishing in half an hour.
1501
1:52:38 --> 1:52:42
Mark, are you okay? You don't need to go to the toilet. Are you okay for the next half hour?
1502
1:52:42 --> 1:52:43
Do you want to take a break?
1503
1:52:43 --> 1:52:45
I'm glad to hear that.
1504
1:52:45 --> 1:52:51
All right. So, Randy, I've just had an idea. How do you wake them up? The immediate picture
1505
1:52:51 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]on's wonderful song about Lady Godiva. We need
1506
1:52:58 --> 1:53:03
naked men and women on horseback riding down the street. That'll wake people up. All right.
1507
1:53:03 --> 1:53:09
All right. Leo.
1508
1:53:09 --> 1:53:17
Leo's our primate expert in Borneo, Mark. Just thought you'd like to know that.
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1:53:17 --> 1:53:24
It's 6am here. Mark, thank you very much. It was very nice to hear your words. And you might have
1510
1:53:25 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]ion by mentioning the monumentally suspicious molecular number of a
1511
1:53:31 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]e of times there. But I work with wild primates and a lot of other animals, and I
1512
1:53:36 --> 1:53:43
have never seen a war or a veruca on any of them until we bring them into captivity. And following
1513
1:53:43 --> 1:53:48
quite closely the whole debate about the existence of viruses and everything that's going on, I
1514
1:53:48 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]anation as to what perhaps one of the more visual or obvious
1515
1:53:56 --> 1:54:04
supposedly viral contagious diseases or manifestations might be causing it if not
1516
1:54:04 --> 1:54:08
viral. And again, as I say, I think you might have already answered it. But lovely to hear you speak,
1517
1:54:08 --> 1:54:15
Brent. Yeah, thanks. It's actually we should, if I could, Leo, it would be interesting to get in
1518
1:54:15 --> 1:54:21
touch with you because Sam wanted to do a video on HPV because it is something that we get asked
1519
1:54:21 --> 1:54:27
about a lot. And it is so prevalent, of course, in humans that virtually every human will experience
1520
1:54:27 --> 1:54:36
what they are told is a wart or a veruca or some other lesion on their body. Yeah, I mean,
1521
1:54:36 --> 1:54:42
essentially, like most things, it's the body attempting to heal itself. And with the HPV,
1522
1:54:42 --> 1:54:48
we've got to remember, there's two different things here. There are warts and verucae,
1523
1:54:48 --> 1:54:55
which are real, we can obviously see them. And then there's HPV, which I think is the fictitious
1524
1:54:55 --> 1:55:03
entity, which is being blamed on causing these reactions. So what HPV comes down to in a nutshell
1525
1:55:04 --> 1:55:11
is essentially, again, they never showed that there was a replication component particle
1526
1:55:11 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction] other things. All they found was that they had abnormal tissue.
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And if they took, did genetic sequencing from that tissue, they could find
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various what they said were the HPV genomes complete. And you'll see, you know, there's
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different HPVs, they'll have numbers associated to them, which are allegedly the different variants
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1:55:33 --> 1:55:40
of HPV. But again, like all of the other alleged viruses like SARS-CoV-2, they are just simply
1531
1:55:40 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction] been put together. So bits of genetic sequences that have been found
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1:55:45 --> 1:55:51
in tissue coming from humans and sometimes other animals. But yeah, again, we get to the fundamental
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problem with HPV. Did they ever show that there's a particle that fulfills the description of a
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virus? No. Are there clinical entities? Yes. But the two of them just don't match up. But
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1:56:05 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction], I haven't done a really, really deep dive into HPV just yet. So give us,
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hopefully this year sometime, we'll have a video out and we'll do a much deeper dive into this.
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But yeah, I'd actually, if Charles or Stephen could just put me in touch with you just by email.
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Mark, if you could remember to email me, I will loop in them, Leo.
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Yeah, yeah, because I think that the observation... I'm part of your wife's subscribe star and actually
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1:56:40 --> 1:56:46
Watson, Veruca or Korn's are also well documented as a side effect of arsenic poisoning.
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So I'll drop your wife a line and yeah, that'd be great to talk. I've got a chat that would be
1542
1:56:50 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ed to speak to you. Thanks for your time, friend. Yeah, that would be fantastic.
1543
1:56:56 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] with Leo, he told me that there'd been no pandemic in the chimps,
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1:57:05 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ed in. Oh no, sorry, the orangutan. Orangutan. Orangutan. Yeah,
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1:57:11 --> 1:57:17
I'm orangutan, but it's primates worldwide. There has been zero health impacts. And he would have
1546
1:57:17 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ess, you know, a pandemic caused by a viral illness, that that
1547
1:57:23 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] gone into the primate population. I don't know how he expected that, but anyway.
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Because the other thing, Leo, was yeah, with the arsenic connection and the chemical toxicity
1549
1:57:35 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]ion, we're also looking into that with regards to smallpox, because it seems to be
1550
1:57:41 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] been blamed on contagion and viruses, etc.,
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you know, even anthrax, smallpox, potentially HPV, seem to relate more closely to chemical toxicity.
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1:57:56 --> 1:58:04
And that may be why in the wild, in your animals, you're not seeing some of these lesions, but then
1553
1:58:04 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction] with humans, because of some chemical we're exposing them to, they start
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1:58:09 --> 1:58:17
getting the lesions. But yeah, to me, the whole mechanism of warts is the body trying to warts
1555
1:58:17 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction] It's similar to the mechanisms of cancer, vesicles, tonsils that
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1:58:26 --> 1:58:31
become exudative. They're all mechanisms where the body is trying to eliminate something.
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1:58:31 --> 1:58:37
It's there's something in there. And yeah, it's a really interesting topic. So yeah,
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no, if you could get in touch, that'd be appreciated. Thanks for your time, brother.
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Well done, Leo. Thank you, Leo. And Sanjoy. Hi. Mark, thanks for your presentation and all that
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1:58:53 --> 1:58:59
everyone on the No Virus team has done. It's convinced me that I was fairly convinced that
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COVID was fake. And now I'm convinced that all viruses are fake. But I still wonder about bacteria,
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1:59:05 --> 1:59:09
because they seem to be in a different category. You can, as you said, you can see them in a
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1:59:09 --> 1:59:15
microscope, you can probably crystallize it and you can sequence them. What's your view on bacteria
1564
1:59:15 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]esses? Same as viruses, it's all fake, or maybe the bacteria cleanup. I'm
1565
1:59:22 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] curious if it's in a different category. Yeah, well, correct. None of us deny that
1566
1:59:30 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction] They do. And we can see them and we can see them replicate, we can isolate them
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1:59:38 --> 1:59:43
and cultures, we can characterize them and sequence their genetic codes, etc. So no problem
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1:59:43 --> 1:59:50
there. But yeah, I think the no bacteria that I've ever investigated can be shown to be
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pathogenic. So we went right back to Cox studies with tuberculosis, and where he claimed that the
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1:59:59 --> 2:00:06
bacilli were passing between animals. But all he showed was that if you kept animals in cages for
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long enough, and probably under stressful enough conditions that they would develop tuberculosis,
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you know, clinically. He didn't show that you could bring animals into contact with each other
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for, you know, a couple of days, and then that also gets sick. That never happened. You had to
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keep them living together under the same conditions. And I think that's what was mistaken. You know,
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TB was alleged to be a contagious condition. And, and they said, you know, you have to live in the
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household with someone for six weeks or something, because it's only a little bit contagious. But I
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think what they're missing there is that the reason it's not contagious at all, you have to be in that
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household for six weeks to experience those conditions, like those same environmental
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conditions. So whether it's dampness, mold, poor nutrients, you know, the building's too cold,
1580
2:00:58 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]uff, which ends up causing damage to your own lungs. And then you'll get
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tuberculosis, basically. But the bacteria themselves, like if we did a supersensitive study
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on you today, got you to cough up something, no doubt we'd find all sorts of things. We might find
1583
2:01:17 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]erium, we might find some pertussis in there, we'd find all sorts of things, but in my
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tiny, tiny quantities, and they're not going, they're not going to do anything. But if you
1585
2:01:30 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]ourished or got hypothermia, did some trauma to your lungs in one way or another,
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the tissue is going to die, basically. And as it dies, the bacteria that are there will do what
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they do as cleanup crews, and they'll proliferate. And unfortunately, mainstream medicine will
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2:01:49 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]ion. And they'll think that the bugs have got inside you somehow and
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attacked your tissue. But there's no evidence in the world, in any study, that bacteria will
1590
2:02:00 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction], something has to go wrong first. And we're in this marvellous,
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2:02:08 --> 2:02:13
you know, harmony, basically, with all the microbes that are around us, which simply
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do their job. Now, there are instances when if you had a part of your body that was massively damaged,
1593
2:02:22 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction]ion of tissue, and it was being broken down, then some of the byproducts
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2:02:29 --> 2:02:34
from the microbes will become toxic to you. And that could eventually lead to serious illness
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2:02:34 --> 2:02:40
and death, obviously. But again, it was not precipitated, it was the bacteria themselves
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are not pathogens. But if you look at, because the animal studies in this area are fascinating as
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well. And I didn't know this when I was practicing as a doctor at medical school. But if you take
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pure cultures of even things like cholera, which is supposed to cause disease, we take a pure culture,
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without any other contaminants in it, and you give that to people to drink, they won't get sick,
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it doesn't happen. If you give them dirty water, that does have some of the same bacteria in that
1601
2:03:10 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]e, you will get sick, but it's not from the bacteria, it's from the toxins that are in the
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2:03:16 --> 2:03:22
water. But again, what's happened with germ theory is that everything has been blamed on the microbes.
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2:03:23 --> 2:03:29
And even with things like TB, when they've tried to transmit it between animals, it doesn't work.
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So what they've resorted to is these most bizarre studies, where they'll get huge doses
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2:03:36 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]erium, and put it in a nebulizer, and put it over an animal's face so they can't
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2:03:42 --> 2:03:47
breathe anything else, and then force nebulize them for like 15 or 20 minutes.
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2:03:48 --> 2:03:53
And then they notice that it causes damage inside their lungs when they do an autopsy
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2:03:53 --> 2:03:58
six weeks later, and claim that that's an infectious disease. And you think, well,
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I've never seen a cow walking in a paddock and suddenly get forced nebulized for 15 or 20 minutes.
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2:04:06 --> 2:04:12
You know, it's supposedly, it's supposed to just come into contact with other cows and pick up these
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diseases, which clearly doesn't happen. Something has to go wrong for the animal first, and then
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it gets the proliferation. Because, you know, one interesting thing I've done some work on is
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whooping cough, because, as you know, it's alleged to be caused by Borditalipetussis.
1614
2:04:30 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]eaux's original study, and all that happened was he had kids who had
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whooping cough, and he found that when they coughed up sputum, this was just over 100 years ago,
1616
2:04:42 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]italipetussis. But again, they mistook causation with association.
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And I see that problem now, where if you go and take sputum samples from people,
1618
2:04:58 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction] about, about 60%, 50% of the time, you'll find Borditalia. And yet the person is
1619
2:05:04 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]etely asymptomatic. And it's just because the PCR is so sensitive now that we can detect very
1620
2:05:09 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]italia, compared to in the past, where we had to get a sputum sample
1621
2:05:14 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]ually try and grow the bacteria, which was much harder to do. So,
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yeah, I think that's a really fascinating area. And I think, again, it comes back to the fact that
1623
2:05:25 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction] been called a theory, it should have been called the hypothesis.
1624
2:05:30 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]eria are in the same boat, they're not pathogens.
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Thanks, that's very informative.
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Thank you, Sons, very excellent question. Just before we get to Shimon, Angela, and Claire,
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Claire, I'm doubtful we'll get to you. Mark Warner asked the question, what about the alleged
1628
2:05:52 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ation of North American Indians? Is it that the idea that, hey,
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white man came smallpox, the decimative? This is a fascinating one. And sometimes there's a
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2:06:07 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ill agrees to talk to Sam and I, he's semi-retired, and he sort of sits on the
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2:06:12 --> 2:06:19
fence a bit with the whole pathogen thing. And he brought that up once to me and said, because I
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had him on the back foot, we were talking about all of the scientific evidence with regard to
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showing the concept of contagion. And then he brought that very example up. He said that, and
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I said, what scientific paper are you referring to? And he just looked completely blank. And I said,
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can I see some sort of documentation of what took place? And he went away for a week and came back
1636
2:06:46 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] basically mythology that had been repeated over and over
1637
2:06:52 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ually look at what happened in South America, I mean, basically, the natives
1638
2:06:59 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] exterminated by the conquistadors. It didn't require any smallpox.
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They were basically taking all their food off them. They were turning them into slaves. They
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were forcing them off their land. They were making them adapt ways of life that they weren't familiar
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with. They were putting them under all sorts of stress they'd never been exposed to. And possibly
1642
2:07:24 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] to the whole blanket theory, again, it may have been a chemical poison. I mean,
1643
2:07:34 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] been known about since the Roman times. I mean, that
1644
2:07:39 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]e or poison water supplies. And certainly when the Spanish
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2:07:45 --> 2:07:50
went into South America, they would have known about poisons as well. So another possibility with
1646
2:07:50 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]ory was that the blankets were simply contaminated with something else. Because
1647
2:07:56 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ory of how the smallpox got there is also a bit strange because it would have been a six-week
1648
2:08:00 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ling overseas for six weeks while they had smallpox,
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2:08:10 --> 2:08:14
which was supposed to be a fatal condition? And wouldn't they have all been dying on the
1650
2:08:15 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction] over? So yeah, I think that comes down to the same thing. Where is the actual
1651
2:08:21 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]? As far as I can see, it's mythology. And the other problem
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2:08:28 --> 2:08:34
is smallpox has the same issue, is that there's no study on Earth which shows that they isolated
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a particle that's got any infectious capabilities. Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. I love it.
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I love being and having our pre-existing models question like that microbiologist who sits on
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the fence. I'd like a picture of that, please. Shimon, next. Thank you. First, thanks, Mark,
1656
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for your great presentation. Happy to meet you in person. We have a mutual friend, Tom Cowan.
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So I'm not a medical doctor, I'm just a researcher. I bring science to the equation, so do you. And
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you're one of the few doctors to do that. So well done to you and to your wife.
1659
2:09:25 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]art by saying that... Shimon, can I say to Mark, Shimon's in Israel, Mark.
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2:09:34 --> 2:09:44
Yeah, I forgot to mention that. So I did also some study into history. And I studied with
1661
2:09:44 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]eur. And I found two things about Pasteur. First of all, he was a 32-degree,
1662
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32nd-degree Freemason. By the way, James Giordano and Anthony Fauci are both Jesuits.
1663
2:10:02 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] a comment, I'm not going to get into this now. And basically, Pasteur invented a disease
1664
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called rabies, which does not exist. There is no such disease, let alone it's not viral. Anthrax
1665
2:10:23 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction], but they don't cause anything. He just invented two narratives. And he
1666
2:10:30 --> 2:10:41
actually killed some ten boys during his attempts to develop a vaccine against rabies. By the way,
1667
2:10:42 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]arved or poisoned. And as Mark explained so well,
1668
2:10:51 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] diseases. You're either not malnourished or you're poisoned,
1669
2:10:59 --> 2:11:07
right? This will kill you eventually. And then I came across the Spanish flu. And
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not only was it not contagious, it was not viral because we know what caused it. And I will paste
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a link again to my research and video. So I was doing videos, Mark, as well. I saw a few of yours
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2:11:25 --> 2:11:34
and your wife. I'm rather unwell because I did get sick. Sorry, now this is something else. This is
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not the right thing. So what happened in the Spanish flu was that the Rockefeller Institute
1674
2:11:41 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] prepared millions of doses of some toxin. It was allegedly an
1675
2:11:50 --> 2:11:58
anti-menagitis serum. And then it wasn't even World War I because it was American soldiers on US soil
1676
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that were about to be sent to Europe for the dying stages of World War I. And they were the ones
1677
2:12:04 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] and then they sent it all over the world and then, voila,
1678
2:12:10 --> 2:12:16
the Spanish flu. And then Anthony Fauci came up with this fabricated story of some frozen bodies
1679
2:12:16 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] of Alaska. I will find the link again to my research and video so I will not take
1680
2:12:23 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]etely invented viral disease, but it was a premeditated
1681
2:12:31 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction], their reaction to the deaths that occurred, the millions of deaths that
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2:12:39 --> 2:12:52
occurred during this genocide was to ask people to look up and to wear masks or face prison time.
1683
2:12:53 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]ims for spreading the disease. This was the Spanish flu.
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2:13:01 --> 2:13:07
The reason the Spanish flu ended was that they simply at a certain point
1685
2:13:08 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]e with these toxins and they waited until [privacy contact redaction]ice.
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Now I would like to say that there are parasites and parasites are known to be infectious, but
1687
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even then, and some bacteria, the nice thing about bacteria is when you kiss somebody or
1688
2:13:36 --> 2:13:41
you can kiss your dog for all I care, there is a mutual exchange of bacteria,
1689
2:13:43 --> 2:13:51
but there is no mutual exchange of disease. So bacteria do not cause disease unless,
1690
2:13:52 --> 2:13:58
and this is, I mean, these people were obsessed with trying to weaponize bacteria.
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2:13:59 --> 2:14:06
And I can show you this paper from Nature is discussing the weaponization of bacteria.
1692
2:14:07 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]asmids in them that cause the production of some toxic
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2:14:16 --> 2:14:21
protein and then they can spray them on you. And the bacteria will initially produce this
1694
2:14:22 --> 2:14:28
in situ. This is what the paper is saying, toxic protein. And this could kill people,
1695
2:14:29 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]eria in the wild are different from bacteria in the lab and then they will eventually
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2:14:34 --> 2:14:39
die out and the disease will die out, but still they could try to attempt that.
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2:14:40 --> 2:14:51
And the nanotechnology, so they are so obsessed. So, Mark, I'm involved in international groups,
1698
2:14:51 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction]ralia and New Zealand, and we found amazing things that there are
1699
2:14:59 --> 2:15:10
synthetic organisms, right, not biological ones, that do carry toxins and they can even
1700
2:15:10 --> 2:15:15
propagate and move through the skin by skin contact and infect people. So these people are
1701
2:15:16 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]ion where no infection normally exists in nature. So I wanted to
1702
2:15:25 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]s, Mark, and I would personally like to stay in touch with
1703
2:15:33 --> 2:15:39
you. Thank you. Email me, Shimon, and I'll put you in touch with Mark. Thank you. Yeah.
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2:15:41 --> 2:15:47
So, Shimon, Carla put the link to your video into the chat for you, Mark.
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2:15:48 --> 2:15:50
Okay, thank you. Ah, thank you.
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2:15:50 --> 2:15:56
Thank you, Carla. And Mark, I also send you the Vera Sharaev. She did a wonderful
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2:15:57 --> 2:16:02
story to us in March this year of that whole story that Shimon also talks about.
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2:16:03 --> 2:16:14
Actually, Charles, just one correction. Vera heard the story from me. So I hope that when
1709
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she presented this, she gave me credit. If not, never mind. Claim the credit. No, that's very
1710
2:16:21 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction], thank you, Shimon. That's so powerful, that idea, that this model. So
1711
2:16:28 --> 2:16:33
wonderful, wonderful, and full credit to you because it was a compelling story. I can't remember if she
1712
2:16:33 --> 2:16:41
mentioned your name, but it was so powerful what she told us. So thank you. Angela, and then I'm
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2:16:41 --> 2:16:45
afraid, Claire, we're going to run out of time unless you are super quick. So, Angela, you go,
1714
2:16:45 --> 2:16:49
then Claire, then Stephen, and we'll finish at 9.30 because I've got to get on to my next speech.
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There's a couple of things, actually. Firstly, thank you to Mark and also to Sam, because
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2:16:56 --> 2:17:03
actually I discovered Sam very early on in the pandemic and found a lot of her things that she
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put out very useful. Secondly, I'd like to say I know people have found this all quite contentious,
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2:17:09 --> 2:17:15
and I'd just like to say from personal experience, it's taken me a really long time to get past the
1719
2:17:15 --> 2:17:20
this doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense, doesn't make sense. I was really lucky that I
1720
2:17:20 --> 2:17:25
didn't actually end up vaccinating any of my children and had them all at home and not one
1721
2:17:25 --> 2:17:32
of them ever had any kind of medical intervention or medical pharmaceuticals at all. But that was
1722
2:17:32 --> 2:17:40
kind of more by luck, and I still had in my head the whole, you know, viruses and danger and
1723
2:17:40 --> 2:17:46
everything else. So I can think that the reason a lot of people still find it contentious, and I'd
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imagine even more so for somebody who's been in mainstream medicine for a long time, would be
1725
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that's been so much part of their life and so much part of their understanding of everything, and it
1726
2:17:56 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]ete 180 degrees, everything that you ever believed existed doesn't exist,
1727
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and the whole world is different, and that is just so difficult, I think, to come to terms with.
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It's all very complicated. My question, I think, is Dr Mark, have you looked at or talked to or
1729
2:18:19 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction] Zach Bush and the work that he's done? Because again, I found that's been very
1730
2:18:25 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]ing, and his kind of work on the microbiome and viruses and how bacteria and
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2:18:33 --> 2:18:44
how trees communicate with each other, and I'm not a scientist, so I'm not explaining this very
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well, but just the positive benefits of it and how actually viruses or bacteria or the kind of
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microbiome and the exchange between humans would be the same as between trees, and it's explaining
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actually the dangers in the environment. He had a really kind of good explanation for what caused
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2:19:03 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] their symptoms that were seen in the pandemic, and I think it was kind of linked
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into environmental atmospheric pollutants and 5G. He's really into kind of glyphs, anyway,
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have you come across his work? Have you spoken to him? And I think it's something that if we've
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been talking about this, I don't think we've had him on, might be something that would be very
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2:19:27 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]ing because he is fascinating on this whole topic. Yes, we do know Zach Bush, and
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his work on glyphosate and poisoning has been absolutely fantastic, and I think he's raised
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great awareness. Where we would depart from his way of thinking is with the entities of things
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like viromes and viruses, and I think from what I know of Zach, he says that viruses exist, but most
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of the time they don't cause the majority of people any problems. My problem with that definition is
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that the virus, the word derives from poison, and the whole concept of virology was about showing
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these pathogenic particles. It wasn't about showing physicals or exosomes that were communicating, so
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I think that would be a departure from the virological umbrella, and it can also confuse
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2:20:22 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]e think, okay, so we've got viruses everywhere now, and sometimes they'll get
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me, and sometimes they won't. So, yeah, that's definitely a major difference between our school
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of thought and his. Sam reached out to Zach quite a long time ago and suggested that they have a
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conversation, a public one, lighthearted, just to talk about the slightly different points of view
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2:20:51 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]itutes a virus. Unfortunately, Zach came back and didn't agree to it, so
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yeah, that's fine, but yeah, we have tried.
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Okay, it's interesting anyway, but yeah, thank you very much for everything you're doing.
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Yeah, thank you. Well done, Al, actually. I'm a fan of Zach Bush, and it's a great
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2:21:16 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]ion of different points of view. Claire, quick question,
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because we are going to finish at 9.28 Melbourne time. Yep, so Claire Payne, medical journalist
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2:21:27 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]ralia but with family in the UK. So, forgive me, I got onto this half an hour late.
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2:21:35 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction] already covered this, Mark. Thank you for your presentation. So, what about
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2:21:39 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction], lateral flow tests? So, when we were in the UK... That's all done, Claire.
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Sorry, that's all done. Okay, so what I'm saying, okay, that's all done, watch the recording. Then
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the other thing was, this is for Stephen. So, what's needed here? When you suddenly find we're
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being... What Angela said, I agreed with completely. Once you find out we're being farmed by a big
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farmer, you wonder, have we been farmed all along by all these different glycothate, phosphate
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making companies, etc.? We need... And you don't know what to believe anymore. We need a virologist
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2:22:19 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction] talk. I know one in Sheffield who is on our side. Would it be
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2:22:27 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction] to... Absolutely. The answer is yes, absolutely. Great idea. Love to
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2:22:35 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction] here. That's an excellent question. We have Kevin Corbett here as well.
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2:22:40 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction], we do have to give credit to Kevin Corbett. It looks like a 40-year-old and
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2:22:44 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction] week, Kevin, that you're 67. So, well done to you for
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staying in shape, although some people tell me that round is a shape. So, Claire, can you
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2:22:55 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]ephen the name of that virologist? Claire, how do you know that he would say yes?
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She may not, but she is on our side. She's, you know, she's a... She still may not, because I was
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2:23:08 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]s on the previous incarnation of this group and...
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Right. She's on the heart group. She may say no, but you know, we can only try, can't we?
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2:23:19 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction] Mark here or Kevin's here. So, Stephen, we are finishing in two minutes. Mark?
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Sure. So, I just wanted to ask Mark one question. Does smallpox exist in your mind,
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Mark? I just wonder. I don't know now. I'm prepared to question everything. Well, I've said this before.
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We need to look at all these so-called vaccinations. All the medications need to be
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looked at again, because we can't trust big pharma. They've shown that they're not trustworthy.
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So, why on earth would you trust anything from them? Yeah, well, smallpox is not a disease entity,
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no. It's a clinical condition that people get and where they are toxic in some way,
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and the skin tries to get rid of fluid through its physicals. So, if you actually look back,
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there's no way to distinguish monkeypox, chickenpox, smallpox. They're all just
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degrees of severity, basically, smallpox. So, smallpox is baricella major from memory,
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and then chickenpox is baricella minor, is that right? Yeah, but again, when they say that,
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all they're doing is getting slightly different genetic sequences from the fluids. But essentially,
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2:24:31 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction] the skin trying to detoxify. And that's why we never saw, basically,
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2:24:39 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]s like New Zealand. It was so rare because the people here have just been
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2:24:43 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction] world and in cities which were completely destitute,
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2:24:49 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction] called chickenpox in our city. But, you know, for them,
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2:24:55 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]ion. So, no, I would say in short that no, it's not a disease
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entity. And there was Montague Leveson wrote papers about this as far back as 1911, saying
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that it's a complete farce, that Paster and Co were misleading people, that smallpox was not an entity.
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Well, all right, very good, everybody. Mark, would you like some, thank you.
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2:25:20 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]s? And you really, it's been wonderful listening to you. And I love,
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I love your non-passionate style, you know, that you just go, hey, here's the facts,
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2:25:31 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]s. And it's one of, don't listen to experts, find the facts. I'm a big fan of Buck
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2:25:36 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]er Fuller, and you've done what Buck Minster Fuller recommends and go and do your own research.
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2:25:40 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] done that in spades and you and Sam have both done that. And great commendation to
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2:25:46 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]s, Mark, before we say, and the telegram, the video telegram
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chat is on, the link is in the chat. Mark, save the chat for yourself. There's lots of
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2:25:57 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]iments to you. Mark, anything you want to say before we go?
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Mark No, I'd just like to thank you, Charles, and also Stephen for inviting me to speak.
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It's great because as you probably know, we get a lot of hostility. And there's a lot of people in
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2:26:11 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction]y, who now refuse to talk to us. And the level of interaction we've
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had with them, unfortunately, is really disappointing. They don't want to address
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what we're addressing. And I think I just have to say that-
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to not want to talk to you, crazy. Mark, would Sam speak to us? Would she come and present to us?
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Mark I could talk to her. Her schedule is really full on. And our youngest child is just past a
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year old. So doing kind of these two and a half hour things can be quite difficult. She tends to
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2:26:47 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction] a chat to her. Yeah.
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Stephen If she chose to do an hour, then we could
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amuse ourselves for the other hour and a half. But you know, if she could do two hours,
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that'd be good. Or one and a half hours. Mark Yeah, otherwise-
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Stephen Half an hour works.
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Mark Yeah, I'm always happy to come back on again anytime as well to answer questions.
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Because usually what I find is that at the end of it, there's a whole lot of unanswered questions.
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Stephen Sure. Well, you're very welcome to come to all the meetings from that one. You were
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welcome before, but we didn't. I didn't have your email address or not the correct one anyway.
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But Charles, could you add Mark to the invitation?
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Charles They will. Yep.
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Mark Yep. All right, everybody. Thank you for being here. Warner, good to see you as well.
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Alpha Omega, Truthsayer, everybody. Go over to the Telegram group if you've got time. Mark Bailey,
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2:27:35 --> 2:27:[privacy contact redaction]ause. Great job.
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A very good. Thank you, Mark. You were brilliant.
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Mark Brilliant. Great. Thank you.
