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for you all. So welcome to today's discussion of Medical Doctors for COVID Ethics International.
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0:00:14 --> 0:00:[privacy contact redaction]y was ignited nearly four years ago by Dr. Stephen Frost, a Welsh radiologist
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with a passion for truth. As a seasoned whistleblower and activist, Stephen founded this group to
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champion truth, ethics, justice, freedom and health. In the face of global challenges,
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I'm Charles Covess, your moderator and Australasia's passion provocateur,
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decked out in my fiery red jacket to spark your passion and enthusiasm. After 20 years as a lawyer,
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I shifted gears 32 years ago, and for the past 14 years, I've guided parents and lawyers in addressing
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vaccine injuries and medical failures. As CEO of an industrial hemp company, I'm driven to innovate
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days. Our group is a dynamic blend of voices, doctors, lawyers, homeopaths, journalists,
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heading from corners of the globe, united in pursuit of truth. Many of us once viewed
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vaccines as benign, now many wear the badge of passionate anti-vaxxers with pride,
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0:01:31 --> 0:01:[privacy contact redaction] time as you're warmly embraced, introduce yourself in the chat,
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share where you're from, and let's connect. Got a podcast, book, newsletter, or show?
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We're in the thick of a global struggle. We call it World War Three with medical and science battles
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among 12 battlefronts. Five years into this fight with more to come, there's no room for weariness.
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0:01:58 --> 0:02:[privacy contact redaction]rong, stay healthy. Science, we know, is never done. It thrives on challenge and inquiry.
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Some here believe in viruses, others see them as fiction, and many are still exploring. All views
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0:02:13 --> 0:02:[privacy contact redaction]ill in the chat on the Rumble channel, you'll see anyone who dares to
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0:02:19 --> 0:02:[privacy contact redaction]ion, there's some critics who come out, it's remarkable, the abuse. How dare you think that
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video chat. Find his link in the chat. We'll hear from our guest presented. Today is Dr David
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Raznik, PhD, followed by a Q&A. Per tradition, Stephen Frost opens the questioning for the first
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is not joining us today. So there you are. Will we be able to cope? Let's see what we can do.
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0:03:08 --> 0:03:[privacy contact redaction]n, appropriately moderated to keep ideas flowing. Free speech
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0:03:13 --> 0:03:[privacy contact redaction] human liberties. If something offends you, you own it. We lovingly
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and sickens. Love liberates, heals, and inspires. These twice weekly gatherings are far from mere
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talk. They've birthed real world actions and alliances. A key tactic in our fight is exposing
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medical crimes on social media, rallying behind the demands of medical truth now.
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That's our new slogan, medical truth now. This call can unite humanity in a surge for accountability.
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Share solutions, products, or resources in the chat to empower our community. Our meetings are
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presenter, Dave Rasnik, who has presented to us before, whose insights we deeply value.
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And let me, for the purposes of the recording, share his short bio. This is the short version.
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0:04:19 --> 0:04:[privacy contact redaction]ry from Georgia Tech in 1978. He worked 20 years in
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arthritis. The same class of inhibitors are powerful anti-parasitic agents. Dave left the
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0:04:40 --> 0:04:[privacy contact redaction]ry in 1996 and joined UC Berkeley and Professor Peter Juesberg's fight
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the group for the scientific reappraisal of the HIV hypothesis and former president of the
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Tabo Mbeki's presidential AIDS advisory panel that met in 2000. Along the way, Peter, Juesberg,
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His full CV and four decades of information are available on his website, davidrasnik.com.
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So, David, we thank you for being here and with huge thanks to Stephen Frost for founding this
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group and securing today's speaker. Let's dive in with open minds, fierce passion,
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Okay, very good. I want to share my screen real quick. Yep, go for it.
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So, I forgot where the share. Oh, it's down at the bottom. Down at the bottom. That's it. There we
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go. I go in here and click this one and share. Yep, it's coming up. It's working. And now we
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I hope? No, it's filling up one third of the screen. I can make it bigger.
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Yep. That's it. Very good. Oh, that's good. Okay. All right. I just thought I'd leave this up here
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for right now because I'm going to be talking before I get in a little bit about some background.
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Stephen asked me to give a talk about Carey Mullis. And Carey Mullis is a good friend of mine,
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was a good friend of mine. And I never ever thought about giving a talk about Carey Mullis before.
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So, I had to take a deep dive into the history and I found out lo and behold, I've been
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collaborating and working with Carey off and on for 25 years,
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0:07:14 --> 0:07:[privacy contact redaction] right before he died, as a matter of fact. So, that was a little stunner for me
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but I didn't know it. Carey and I, I learned, we both went to Georgia Tech. And he was there
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two years ahead of me, so we did not know each other. And we both worked in the San Francisco
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Bay area in the 1980s. And again, we didn't know each other. We're really, really close to each
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other. And Peter Duesberg introduced me to Carey in the mid 1990s when I joined up with Peter. I
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joined up with Peter in 1996, but I met him for the first time in 1993, just to go over there
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and meet this man that wrote that paper in 1986, that basically shot down the HIV theory of cancer.
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And of course, it cost him all of his grant money and a lot of goodwill from a lot of people in
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academia and government. But that's all right. He lived with that and has lived with it for a long
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time. But so, like I said, Carey and I have been interacting for over 25 years. And that's the
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shocker now to me. I hadn't thought about it in that way. The most memorable meeting for us,
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both of us, was in 1997 in Bucamuranga, Columbia. This was a group of students
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put together a conference for us to talk about the AIDS. So we invited a lot of people from all over
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There it is. So here is the, can you see the Bucamuranga conference up there? Does that show
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up right now? I can't hear anybody. Yes, we can, David. Okay, good. The Colombian Conference
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in the Nature of Science. Right. This is in the handouts, the stuff that you can download, by the
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This, I'm not going to read all these pages, but this was so interesting. We met there, actually,
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it was in 1997. This was an article published in 1998 by Mark Gaber-Conlin. He is one of the
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else on this talk today. And I'm going to read just a little bit of it, because it gives the history
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about those days. Put my glasses on here. And I'm going to read it from this paper in my hand,
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University of Sandantar in Bucamuranga, Colombia last October, two through five. For only the
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challenging the conventional wisdom that AIDS is an infectious sexually transmitted disease
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caused by a single virus. So there's only been two conferences, international ones like that,
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including UC Berkeley microbiology professor Peter Duesberg, Nobel laureate Kerry Mullis,
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Stefan Laca, who has gone further than Duesberg in questions whether retroviruses, including HIV,
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0:11:23 --> 0:11:[privacy contact redaction] The conference was the brainchild of Dr. Robert Roberto Geraldo, who was a good
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friend of mine, and I'm pretty sure Celia's too. And he was an expatriate of Colombia,
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who was one of the country's most respected experts on infectious diseases until he became
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convinced in the late 1980s that AIDS was not infectious. Though he reached his conclusions
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independently of Peter Duesberg, he didn't read any of Duesberg's paper on the subject until after
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he was already convinced, based on his own observations, that AIDS could not possibly be
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When he tried to present his alternative view of AIDS in Medellin in 1987 and 88,
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after eight years in the Colombian countryside, he found that instead of seriously considering
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his views, his former colleagues questioned his sanity and actually threatened to have
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literature in the scientific press and sent papers to his ex-colleagues back in Colombia.
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Over time, their attitudes softened, and earlier this year he was invited back to Colombia for a
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University of Sandander named Phidias Leon S., who had done research on retroviruses in Japan
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in the early 1990s and concluded that they could not cause human disease. Though there were attempts
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to suppress the conference, including last-minute withdrawals of financial support and threats by
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other professors at the University of Sandander, to give failing grades to any medical students
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who dared attend, for the most part, the conference was well received. Even members of the Colombian
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defensiveness with which these ideas are still treated in the USA. David Rastig, PhD, a 20-year
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veteran biochemical researcher whose work on protease enzymes has convinced him that the still
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highly high protease inhibitors will be useless against AIDS. He offered his experiences from the
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Colombian conference and other international outreach efforts and discussed the anecdotal
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combination therapy. Conlon, here's his question, how did the conference go?
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they were ever going to pull it off or not because so many evil machinations and things going on
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behind the scenes. But all went well in spite of the efforts of powerful people to throw a monkey
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wrench into the works. Peter Duesberg and Carey Mullis were down there and I'm convinced that
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their presence alone is what made the thing a really big success. There were a lot of people
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there from different countries but those two were the ones that really drew the media. We got front
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page coverage there in the newspapers and there were some government officials and we were treated
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like royalty. They were sort of ambivalent. It was a major piece of national prestige to have the
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Nobel laureate Carey Mullis there but they wanted to keep it quiet. They didn't want the public to
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Nobel laureate. The government pulled out $20,[privacy contact redaction] minute
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as an 11th hour, at the 11th hour so to speak. I don't know this but I wouldn't be surprised if
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That's just my suspicious nature. That's me talking by the way. Another thing they did
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the school, the university threatened the students with failure if they attended the conference.
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but they were there throughout the whole thing. There was a lot of serious pressure to stop it.
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Here's Conlon's question to me. Where do you think the pressure was coming from? This is my answer.
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Oh, I know exactly where it was coming from. It was coming from the government health officials.
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We even met them. This one fellow that we met, I forget his name, warned us about who to talk to
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and who not to talk to. He didn't threaten us but he did warn us to be careful about what we said
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and who we talked to. Of course, we talked to whomever showed up in the auditorium. We've been
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doing that our whole professional lives. This guy was trained at the CDC at the US Centers for
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Disease Control. My guess is that he was in contact with the CDC and I'm sure he was. He
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wanted to know how to handle this thing and deal with it. Also, the government health establishment
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held an emergency conference right after ours to try to counter our conference. For all I know,
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maybe the CDC was funding this emergency conference to counter ours. I don't know that
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certainly not poor. Conlon, it could be the narco traffickers didn't want a lot of the people
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wondering. This is my answer. You never know. You can think of all sorts of things. I haven't
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department of one of the universities. It had [privacy contact redaction]e there. Two Ukrainian TV crews were there
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and I was interviewed on both of them. They had the country's leading health officials and AIDS
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experts and things. Then I asked on the air how many AIDS patients are there in the Ukraine?
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There are 170 AIDS patients they said out of [privacy contact redaction] that many people
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in that room, 170 studying AIDS as there were AIDS patients. I had to ask them on the air why
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are Ukrainians afraid of AIDS when there are so few AIDS patients? Of course, there was no answer
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happen in this country, in the United States. It was a dignified, respectful debate and I told them
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how much I really appreciated it. They're going to write it up, they said. Here's what Conlon asked.
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Did anything new emerge out of these meetings? Any new information, new ideas? This was my answer.
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No, it was all a one-way flow of information. All the stuff that I had to say, Peter had to say,
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thing new about these meetings was that they happened at all. The proponents of the HIV AIDS
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Hypothesis in Ukraine were very ill-prepared. I didn't try to humiliate them. I just answered
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There was nothing really new. No breakthrough, no breakthrough stuff or anything like that.
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It was sort of like going to the HEAL, Health Education AIDS Liaison, HEAL meeting. It was one
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of the big groups during the AIDS era, but with a lot more high-flute folks around. That's just the
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part that I wanted to read as a little background about what it was like during the AIDS era.
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We were having these sorts of things all over the world that were never covered in the United
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States. Celia is here with us today. She could probably tell you about all the places that she
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went and how it happened and how it went. She went all over Africa, for example, which I only went to
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South Africa. I'll get that off of there. I just wanted to give a little bit of background.
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The Columbia thing was where Kerry and I, we actually walked around a lot. We met a lot of
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around talking about things, getting very familiar with each other personally, professionally,
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but our particular backgrounds professionally did not overlap other than the AIDS stuff.
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So, Dave, we've got your menu covering the picture.
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Oh, sorry about that. Sorry about that. Yeah. That's it. That's good. I closed that thing out.
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Appreciate you telling me that. I'm not so good at this kind of stuff.
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That was Buka Moranga. There were so many things there. Oh, this was an interesting little story.
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happy who was there. They didn't want anything to happen to Kerry while he was there. So,
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they had these two guys that were very innocuous. One of them carried a bag that, I don't know,
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probably had a machine gun in it or something like that. They were always following us around
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They're basically protecting Kerry. They didn't want a big international
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We thought they were trying to... There's rebels in the mountains, in the highlands there.
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We thought that they were trying to protect us against the rebels. The security guards said,
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no, they wouldn't bother us. They wouldn't bother Kerry. They would go after the security guards
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because they weren't for the government. So, we turned around and headed back to Bucamuranga.
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That's just one of those little things I thought of pass along only because it's probably the only
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They were risking failing. They were kicked out of school, but that 250 or however many that was
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there, they hung in there, man. We were so proud of those people. I took a photograph of all of them.
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I really, really appreciated that and wanted to support them. All right, that's that.
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Moving on. Okay, now the emails. I got an email from, let's see here, Kerry Mollison, 2007.
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I don't know. Let's see. What is that? The email from, it was 2007. Wrong. Oh, yeah. Okay. That comes
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a little later. That's number eight. Yeah, okay. I see that. That comes a little later. All right.
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So now I'm going to get into the issues of later in life, up to the point where he died.
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The email exchanges that happened during that period. They're pretty telling. Let's see where
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we're at here now. I can get rid of this one. Let's get rid of that one. All right, let's see.
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Okay. We can now see the email from Nancy Mullis. That's Nancy Mullis and that was in April 14, 2020.
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Let's see. How's that? Good. Okay. You can scroll up if you're reading from it.
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I'll get better at this, I guess, as I go along, guys. Yeah, well, you're pretty young, Dave, so
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you've got plenty of time to learn. See, I'm too old for this new technology. That's the problem.
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That page. Email Kerry 2007. Oh, yeah. I had an email from Kerry September 2007.
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Right. I don't guess I have that up there. No, I don't have that one.
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What's this? Oh, yeah. This was it right here. It's just a shorty.
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Let's read. I don't have it in there. I don't think. Oh, yeah. This is when 2007, the reason
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was talking about some of his work and his work with his PCR. His PCR was a big deal
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and Nobel Prize and everything for it. And there was this big company called
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BioSearch and the CEO and president, Ron Cook, of course, made a fortune and that company still does
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based on PCR. It's one of the one of the world leading PCR companies. And of course, they want
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to make continue making a lot of money on that. And so I got this email. The reason I pulled it
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out is because he mentions it. Ron Cook, he's one of the founders, president, CEO of BioSearch
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and even before that, he was involved in this stuff to try to commercialize the PCR
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PCR business and the company's BioSearch. And let's see here. And here's one little funny
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It says, we have so far been funded by $2 million from DARPA. That's the defense government thing.
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And we are looking now for $10 to $20 million to keep the working,
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working without having to deal with Anthony Fauci, he says. For reasons I can't understand,
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he doesn't like me. That's what Kerry said. And then he says, and I'm not the wizard that
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represents, but I am fairly certain that Barry, that's the CEO, once he gets wind of it,
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will make a pile, make a lot of money. Anyway, the main thing why I did that was because
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And his wife, Nancy, when she was on the phone with me, when Kerry was in the hospital and after he
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died, she didn't mention this guy's by name, but she had two men in there. I talked to her on the
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phone three times during this period. And they were, I could hear their voices. They were really
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close to her. I think they were trying to listen to the phone call too. And they were putting
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pressure on her. I didn't hear their voices, but the way she was behaving, and it was very clear
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that it was, it was, she was nervous about talking to me on the phone with these guys there.
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And what, and you'll see from this, these emails, let's see here, these emails, why she's nervous.
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This was an April 14, 2020. I know you emailed me last May, but this is when our whole world
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changed. I took Kerry to the ER at the Hoag, whatever that is, on May 6th. And three months later,
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three months later, he died. I got the right one up there, don't I? Yeah, this is the right one.
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Make sure that's right. Yeah, I do. I'm 14. Right, he died. And Kerry never again,
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and the thing is, a lot of people don't know, Kerry had a stroke. That's why he was in the hospital.
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with the loss of Kerry. He was my whole life, and I can't imagine the purpose now. I do hope
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to do something with his legacy, but we will see. Now, the reason I emphasize the stroke thing,
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but he survived. But he is seriously debilitated. He cannot communicate very well. Kerry had a stroke
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and died. Okay. And then down here in the yellow again, I sent Peter a link to an article Celia
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and you'll see why. She refers to back to the AIDS time when Kerry said PCR should not be used to
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QPCR, RTPCR, all that stuff is the definitive test for the virus, and she doesn't seem to be
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aware of that. Totally hogwash. She is getting that stuff from Ron Cook. And you'll see that
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a little bit later. She has that pressure from her. Poor Nancy, she is getting this from these
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bit. And then here is what she said. Here is what I received regarding her article from,
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no, this is what I wrote. Here is what I received regarding her article from my DNA contact.
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Let's see now. And then I asked, well, who is this person? This person is attempting to be
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provocative by saying that PCR-based techniques, et cetera, et cetera, don't work. All right. So
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this person is attempting to be provocative. Who is this DNA contact that she is talking about,
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Maybe it's the next one over here. Ah, it's this one. This is the one. It's Ron Cook.
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The CEO and chairman of the BioSearch. And this was in [privacy contact redaction] turns out to be
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Ron Cook, who I knew it was anyway. And that was the guy that I showed you earlier, years prior to
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that, I think it was 2007 or something like that, Ron Cook that Carrie was talking about, working
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with at BioSearch. And Ron Cook has been a good source of information. I guarantee you he was the
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guy in that room with Nancy when she was on the phone with me. And it's not sure if you ever met
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the guy. I never did. But his company deals with this. Here is what he sent regarding what you sent,
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what I sent. And it says this. You can see that this is a quote. When designed correctly
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and validated, PCR gives the correct answer. But if designed by a casual user, can very much
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paper of his in the handouts here. But I got whole files of Buston. He totally shoots down the use of
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PCR, just like Carrie does. And so by the way, you, Nancy and Carrie met Stephen Buston at BioSearch
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and at the Friesling meeting in Germany. He is anal about the correct use of PCR and is the
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lead author in the MIQE guidelines that I sent you the other day. MIQU is the recipe for doing
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reason some say that PCR is not truly quantitative but more qualitative. But when measuring for
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COVID-19, this is a yes or no and not a quantitation thing. It is not an issue. Total BS.
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is in there. And he basically he's training Nancy, you know, about when people ask her about this
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stuff. That's what's going on right there. So now let me go back here to this one.
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All right. This is the email. What are these lines? I don't know. It's the same thing. What
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they are. Where that came from. Okay. And here's what I said. Hi, Nancy. That's what I said.
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Carrie was not supportive of using PCR to diagnose HIV infection as I recall. His standard PCR is
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to turn RNA into DNA followed by performing quantitative PCR to declare that a person is
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That's good old Stephen Buston again. Where he takes great pains describing the myriad problems
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leading to irreproducibility of results when using reverse transcriptase quantitative PCR.
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That's what that all stands for. For diagnostic purposes. By the way, Buston gave an interview
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Okay. Sadly, Carrie is not here to set everybody straight. He was very good at doing that. He
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certainly was. And let's see here. We did that one. Okay. This must be on my computer. These
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disappear in due course. Don't worry about that later. Yeah. Yeah. I get off this thing. Okay.
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I know I'm driving everybody nuts with this stuff, but it's the only time I'm really going
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but this was a good one. And let's see as of 2017, the title of it's great talking the talk,
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but not walking the walk. Reverse transcriptase quantitative PCR as a paradigm for the lack of
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reproducibility and molecular research. In other words, he's shooting it down right in the title.
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The reverse, let me wait, make it bigger for everybody here. There we go. The reverse
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transcription real-time quantitative PCR is probably the most straightforward measurement
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technique available for RNA quantification and is used, widely used at research diagnostic
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inappropriate data analysis, and inadequate reporting continue to be rife and conclude
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that the majority of published RTQ PCR data are likely to represent technical noise. In other
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validity of many research claims in the context of a flawed research infrastructure that encourages
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Confidence in quantitative measurements depends on a number of parameters, one of which is
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reproducibility. Reproducibility incorporates both biological and technical variability,
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and as long ago as 1949, it was demonstrated that experimental test results can vary widely,
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even when performed by the same individual at the same time. Since then, there have been numerous
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publications that highlight the problems with lack of reproducibility. He gives a review.
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research findings are rarely adopted for clinical practice. Okay. And I think that's all I had
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highlighted in this. Yeah. No, there's something else. Well, we don't need to get into this right
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His company is BioSearch. And here I know it's small. I thought it would,
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thought when I made it larger, you can see it here. But there's the guy's name. I highlighted it.
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The roots of BioSearch technologies can be traced back to 1978 when President and CEO Ron Cook,
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PhD, founded the company. And based on, and it's basic, really its primary thing is to
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solid-phase synthesis of DNA. That's what they do. And most notably in 1982, Carey Mullis at
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those are short little segments of DNA, for use in the experiments which eventually resulted in
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the invention of the polymerase chain reaction. You see, so they're getting every bit of publicity
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they can. Carey Mullis, a Nobel laureate, used their equipment to develop his polymerase chain
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and that's why he was, I guarantee you, he was in there with the phone calls with Nancy Mullis
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when we were on the phone there. Okay, we're getting close to getting to the end now.
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This is another email here. This is April 19th. And this is Ron again, this is Ron Cook. And you
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sources. And that's Ron. Ron always wants to stay out of weighing in. He is so busy, also didn't
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those with pretty morbid conditions when there are various hidden agendas at work, mostly partisan
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and political. He's talking about the people who don't want to, who want to stay away from these
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assume it's everywhere. That's why they shut down the whole country. That's his logic, all right,
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and the world for that matter. Not a long-term fix, not a long-term fix. So testing needs to be
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expanded. You see, we need to expand PCR testing so that we could reverse the lockdowns and
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the closing everything down. The problem is that there is no public health infrastructure to
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10, the tens of thousands of machines that it will take in every local clinic,
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nor hire and train the technicians to the standard required by the FDA. Again, everything is against
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with QPCR and reverse transcript HPCR. If done correctly, this will yield an analysis of the
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virus being present or not. Kerry would not have a problem with that. Oh yeah, this is,
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Kerry's not saying this. These are people saying it for Kerry. All right, so anyway,
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let me keep going here. Okay, this is April 2020. She's checking in with me again. Okay,
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I checked, let me make it bigger. There we go. Okay, I checked with Ron, and that's Ron
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Book again, and another close friend of Kerry's. As you surely remember, I'm not a scientist, so
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you know far more than me. I should probably decline the requests that come for Kerry's advice.
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It doesn't seem to be common knowledge that he died. Probably wasn't in those days, early days,
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but I hate all this misinformation put out there about him when he isn't around to present his
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opinion. That is why I wouldn't even read the Farber piece. And down here, we go a little below,
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and then I think this is what she was talking about. Celia's been writing about this PCR stuff
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herself, the problems with it. And this is what I said. I said, hi Nancy, the answer by the good
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sources, her sources, did not come close to answering my questions and concerns. It is
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certainly not a scientific response. I've been a scientist for four decades. I can handle a
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scientific response. They didn't even offer minimal evidence to support their claims other
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led her to respond above. So I guess there's enough of that. Don't need to go into all that detail.
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Now let's see. Okay, we already did that. I think I'm about close to being done.
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I don't need to know. Already did that. Hey guys, I think we're almost there.
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We don't need anything else there. Okay, I hope I didn't put all y'all to sleep.
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That is important. Prime information. David, thank you so much for sharing it with us.
