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Indeed, indeed, indeed.
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All right, everybody, welcome to today's discussion
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over three years ago with the desire
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to pursue truth, ethics, justice, freedom, and true health.
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His medical specialty is radiology.
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I'm Charles Kovest, the moderator of this group.
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I'm Australasia's passion provocateur,
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and Gerry Waters is one of them.
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31 years ago, and over the last 13 years,
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I've helped parents and lawyers to strategize remedies
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for vaccine damage and damage from bad medical advice.
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is now the number one killer of human beings in America.
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I'm also the CEO of an industrial hemp company.
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We comprise lots of professions here
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and we're from all around the world.
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Many of us thought that vaccines were okay.
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Now, many of us proudly say, and I'm one of them,
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that we are passionate anti-vaxxers.
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And I assure you that I've yet to meet a parent
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who regrets that decision.
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I'm yet to meet one.
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and feel free to introduce yourself in the chat
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and where you're from.
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put the links into the chat so we can follow you,
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promote you, and find you.
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and that the medical science battle is only one
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And to that end, well, I make the observation
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is to get us focused on whether or not,
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whether there is, or whether there is not a virus,
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that in the meantime, the evil that's going on
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in 11 other battlefields, we ignore.
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So this group covers all 12 of those battlefields,
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including holding to account officials
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for what they've done.
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Many of us, most of us understand the development of science
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and that the science is never settled.
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some of us believe that viruses are a hoax,
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and some of us are on the fence.
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And Jerry, you were talking about the Nuremberg Code,
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the abuse of human rights is so far,
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It's a wonderful distraction.
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We can go down the rabbit hole.
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This, we will listen to our guest presenters today,
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Dr. Emmanuel Garcia, originally from the US,
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now living in New Zealand,
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whose resume is on the show notes.
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I don't go through those slavishly,
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but read the show notes.
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calls himself Manny for as long as Manny wishes to speak,
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This is a free speech environment
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with appropriate moderating.
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Free speech is crucially important in our fight
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to preserve our human freedom.
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because they exercised free speech.
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We don't, however, allow ad hominem attacks,
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and that means you're attacking the person.
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That's what they do in parliament.
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We don't allow that here.
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We attack ideas.
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We discuss ideas.
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We don't attack the people here.
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If you're offended by anything, be offended.
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that requires nobody to say anything
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that may offend another.
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not fear.
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Fear is the opposite of love.
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Fear squashes you.
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Love, on the other hand, expands you.
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Our opponents in this World War III
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want you to be very, very frightened
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of something you can't see.
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have been generated from linkages made by attendees
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to meetings.
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I note that one of our regular participants,
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Jerome Corsi, Robert Malone announced
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that his book on the assassination of JFK
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So for those of you who didn't pick that up, check it out.
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So his book that we've been waiting to be released
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has now been released.
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Dave Colum, I look forward to you analyzing
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what Jerome said there.
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that JFK was assassinated,
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not by a guy in the book depository.
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What's his name, Lee?
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The other one.
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Lee Oswald, Lee Harvey Oswald.
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Lee Harvey.
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and Jerome scientifically shows it didn't happen.
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onto the Rumble channel.
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from Sukrit Bhakdi's presentation two days ago.
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Mike Yeaton has put a comment there.
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There's a whole string of comments there
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because there's a lot of people there coming there,
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including Mike Yeaton, saying the whole question of viruses
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is, anyway, a very interesting conversation.
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Emmanuel Garcia.
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We thank you so much, Manny,
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for giving us your time, wisdom, and insights.
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And thank you, Steve and Frost, again,
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for creating this group and for organizing
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Manny to be with us today.
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Manny, you are a co-host.
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You can share your screen if you wish.
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We are in your hands for as long as you wish
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to share your thoughts with us.
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And I point out, everybody, in the show notes,
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you'll see that Manny publishes
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on Global Research Newsletter.
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It was Michelle Shoshinovsky who recommended
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from Global Research Newsletter,
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who recommended Manny to us.
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And Michelle's work is well worth being a subscriber to.
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I'm a subscriber to it.
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and you can find those links in the notes.
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Manny, over to you.
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Charles, I think it's fair to say
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that Michelle Shoshinovsky is probably
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And he's certainly the most courageous.
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Very good, Steve.
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Good point, excellent point.
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Yep, thank you.
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Yes, I would second that.
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Michelle was wonderful, and his work was wonderful.
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Well, thank you.
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Thank you.
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I feel quite privileged to be in this truly august company.
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And Charles, your introduction pretty much
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sums up everything.
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I'm not sure what I can add to that.
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But I'll flesh in the details, my personal details,
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as well as some of my observations generally.
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I graduated from the University of Pennsylvania
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School of Medicine in 1986.
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Got my MD there.
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And as a full-fledged doctor, went
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into psychiatric residency and psychoanalytic training.
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Before that, in terms of my educational interests,
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Latin and Greek.
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And I attended Trinity College and had
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a wonderful time in Dublin.
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And I was at one point in my life a James Joyce fanatic.
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So we'll leave that aside.
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and poetry and whatnot.
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And Charles, you mentioned the assassination of JFK.
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about that assassination from Philadelphia, Harold Feldman,
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He went through all of the Warren Commission report.
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And his work is foundational.
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There's no question that the lone gunman
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from the book depository was not the whole story.
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But I will say, I bring this up because the very first poem
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that I remember having written was
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in the aftermath of JFK's assassination.
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It's not a great poem.
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I remember two or three lines, and I won't repeat them.
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But I think I was 10 or 11, 10 at the time, 9 at the time,
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whatever it was.
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In any case, in my family, however,
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and this was a family that voted for Nixon, believe it or not,
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assumed that the assassination was probably
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And that's a working class Italian-American family.
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right in the aftermath of the assassination.
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So it's very interesting to put that out.
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Now, as far as any expertise I can bring,
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I'm thinking back, I can't say I'm
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much of an expert in anything.
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And from 2006 until 2021, I worked
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And I really love that part of it.
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broken.
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And it's hard to reform and hard to salvage.
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Before I get to how I resigned and why I resigned,
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I wanted to bring up this issue of expertise
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for 50 minutes per session.
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That's seven to 10 sessions a day.
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And I thought to myself that there's no other,
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I can find no parallel in the world
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for that kind of an experience where you devote yourself
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your soul, the different levels of hearing,
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And the goal of self-analysis really is self-analysis.
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So it's the least intrusive, least coercive treatment
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And I think if there's any kind of expertise I have,
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it's in this area of being able to comprehend, apprehend,
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absorb, and out of that absorption,
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come up with something that may be insightful.
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So that's about it.
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And the patient population I worked with in New Zealand,
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to public psychiatry and dealing with people
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in the throes of mania and psychosis
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and terrible depression and all kinds of social ills,
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I loved it because I loved the patients.
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I loved being able to help them and to bring my skills
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to patients, even though our tools were
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relatively few and blunt.
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Nonetheless, when COVID rolled around, I, like many of you,
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and I saw the images from China and the whole full court
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press of fear and whatnot, I was very dubious.
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And I, very, very suspicious, I began
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to write letters to Parliament here, to the Prime Minister.
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I did not mention one thing about treatment whatsoever.
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Why, in the midst of a so-called pandemic,
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would there not be a race for symptomatic relief and cure
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If you find you can't breathe, come to hospital.
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There's no way to describe this kind of insanity
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of an approach to that.
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I tried to get to the politicians.
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for Freedom, a very important group here in the New Zealand
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landscape, and whatnot.
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into the medical council because I had the temerity
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to talk about having reservations about the jab
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and the temerity to talk about early treatment
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And in any case, I resigned in October 2021
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before the mandates came in.
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I had a big cross on my back at that time,
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and they were going to make my life difficult there.
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And I decided, well, this is the time to just get out
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And then I had a union rep who helped me
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through the resignation, a very nice guy.
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And when it came to renewing my license, which
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would be in November, he said, oh, that's just the formality.
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Everything's fine.
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You might as well keep your license, keep practicing,
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And lo and behold, when I did go to renew my practicing
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certificate, I found that it had been suspended.
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or so, wouldn't say a word about anything
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At that time, I did engage with lawyers from Medical Protection
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Society for a little bit.
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And I made a decision to exit the corrupt system altogether.
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I didn't want to be part of it.
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It meant giving up my license, giving up my career, et cetera.
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There is a catch, though.
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The medical counsel here supposedly
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doesn't allow you to leave the medical counsel while there
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outside the scope of my profession,
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outside the scope of psychiatry, by engaging
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in intelligent exchanges and videos about health matters
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and whatnot.
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Kind of ridiculous.
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or equity law approach.
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And I succeeded.
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And I was able to get off their books altogether,
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And since that time, I've given lots of talks.
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I've written a lot.
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I've supported the cause here in many ways.
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I want to dwell on a little bit because they were extremely
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important here in New Zealand.
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And I've been a founding member of New Zealand doctors
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speaking out with science, a really good organization that
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is fighting the good fight, et cetera, et cetera.
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I want to mention Linda Wharton, Liz Lambert, Erica Whittam,
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the girls, the ladies from VFF, Claire Deeks, Ali and Libby,
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But I think in general, I mean, I felt this is now four years.
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Oh, yeah.
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And one of the things I really wanted to mention too was that
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in March of 2020, there was an error
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in that little blurb I sent.
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The interview, my friends Libby Handros and John Kirby
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And in March of 2020, they interviewed John Ioannidis,
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I'm sure all of you know about him.
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And at that time, he said, despite the obfuscation
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that what he was seeing was something
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that was no worse than a bad seasonal flu.
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And that was a very pivotal piece of information
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to come out very early on from an extremely
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authoritative source.
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They also, in their series of perspectives,
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I forget their names.
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They're called the Bakersfield duo.
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and in the ER, running an ER clinic.
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And they said, we're not seeing anything.
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It's not a big deal.
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They put themselves on the line to tell the truth about this.
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that what we were under was a massive hoax that
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had some kind of other agenda.
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Now, I'd like to say, yeah, I'm not really,
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you know, it didn't take a genius to figure
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And you look at all the aberrations that occurred,
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the aberrations and how medicine all of a sudden
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got turned upside down, where there was no informed consent.
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to everybody about the tremendous importance
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of informed consent.
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If you don't provide informed consent,
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It's the critical, this, that, the other.
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Several months later, when it came to the jab,
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they basically eviscerated informed consent altogether
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the abjuration of informed consent,
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you can't say anything negative about the jab.
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Really, this is unbelievable.
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And that, but, and I'll get to the medical council
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I'll get to that in a little, a few seconds.
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So, so here we are on four years,
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and I think, I think we're tired.
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I think that we felt depressed.
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I think that the smell of fear continues,
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and the real pandemic was this forced pandemic of fear
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I mean, I was, I can't believe how cowardly
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afraid to look at their shadows,
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afraid to walk outside, afraid, I mean, I wasn't,
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but that was the, the, the Psiops was so effective
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In New Zealand, we had it really tough.
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They had, we had terrible lockdowns.
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I mean, unbelievable periods of lockdown,
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during which I, as a practitioner, however,
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continued to make home visits.
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I volunteered at a local PHO, a public health organization,
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and did home visits, did prescriptions and things.
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I never wore a mask.
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I refused to wear a mask,
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and I went out and I did my thing.
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But we had, we had two periods of severe lockdowns,
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and then our hypocritical prime, former prime minister,
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you know, ordered these mandates,
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and then she engineered an apartheid society,
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where those who were unjabbed could not go to the theater,
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could not do virtually anything.
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And I can't quite describe how onerous that felt
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and how oppressive that felt.
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Fortunately, I was able to manage to do what I needed to do,
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despite my non-jab status.
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from various backgrounds, who support each other.
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And we were able to meet during this extended period
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of kind of mad times in New Zealand
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But it was very disheartening to see so many
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of the fellow citizens, and by the way,
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I'm a dual citizen of the United States and New Zealand,
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fall into this and buy everything
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that the single source of truth, as Jacinda Ardern
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specified herself and her government about COVID.
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Imagine the single source of truth, okay?
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Anytime you get suppression of dissent,
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then you know there's an agenda.
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So I need not tell everybody about that.
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Well, let me get, I wanna talk a little bit about questions
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I get asked all the time.
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Oh, you're a psychiatrist, you gotta tell us about this.
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You gotta tell us about psychology of this.
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So I said, well, I'm a psychiatrist,
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you got your own common sense.
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But let's look at this issue that got a lot of purchase
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a few years ago called mass formation
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bought into what was going on.
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And I've written about this in my sub stack a little bit
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and followed it.
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Let's take the perspective of an ordinary person
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whose reality has been pretty much
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They followed the big channels, they listened to ABC, NBC,
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or Hear New Zealand, Radio New Zealand,
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and whatever the channels are.
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I don't have a TV, so I don't really follow them
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and all that.
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And their reality is defined by what they've been listening
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to for years, for decades, and sometimes for generations.
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psychological, philosophical statement
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And I wanna go over this a little bit.
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Remember, in the allegory of the cave,
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and they're looking at shadows on a wall
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in front of a fire that's behind them.
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And so a tree, a human being, or whatever,
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they'll see these shadows on the wall,
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and that's their reality.
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and that there's a sun out there,
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and there's a world of light, and trees, and flowers,
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and whatnot, and he's overwhelmed,
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and out of compassion for his former
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he goes back to tell them about this.
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He himself is now having a difficult time
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and he's treated with skepticism,
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and finally, the people in the cave
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who are convinced that everything they've been seeing
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is the truth and the only reality, plot to kill them.
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So it's a tremendous metaphor,
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I don't think it's a case of so-called mass formation.
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I think it's a case of people whose reality
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has been what they've seen and heard
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that there is indeed any other reality beyond that.
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I've lost friends over my position about COVID.
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I've had family disputes.
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I've had one family member say,
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"'You're crazy, and don't talk to me,
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"'and you cannot talk to me about this ever again.'"
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Right?
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So I think that's the fallout,
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and at a recent dinner with three other friends of mine
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on our former friendships, the friendships we've lost,
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the former liberals that were so intelligent
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and with whom we associated,
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and would line up to get every jab possible.
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And our feeling was, well, we've created new friendships,
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we've made new alliances, and it's very, very hard
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who fundamentally remain within a certain circumscribed box.
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And I'll be quite frank with you, it's been very difficult.
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As I said, I've had some friends of 40 years
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email me and say, we're through,
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like they're divorcing me, some sort of friendship.
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I said, well, why can't you,
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this is, can't you tolerate my opinion?
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Speaking of which, in my rambling here,
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I wanted to mention that the new virus issue came up,
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from someone who said,
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unless I admitted that viruses didn't exist,
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blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, I was either a liar,
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an ignoramus, or a controlled opposition.
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So my response was, well, if I'm controlled opposition,
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I've been accused of this before,
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show me the money, I don't have a new car,
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show me all the emoluments I'm getting
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from being such a controlled opposition,
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such an influential person,
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so to speak, so I'm either a liar, or an ignoramus,
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or both, whatever, and what was so ironic is that,
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here's a person, this is a person in the freedom movement,
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supposed to be espousing the cause of freedom of expression,
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and open debate, and open exchange,
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who will not tolerate any divergence
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from his or her opinion.
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So if that's what you're gonna do,
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you're no better than what we're up against,
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which is a tyranny, and of that I have no doubt, okay?
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I wanted to make a few comments about my substack
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and the essays that I write.
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a repository for things that I thought were worth preserving
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in my writing, and I consider myself an essayist primarily,
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although occasionally I will break a little story,
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such as exemptions from the jab in New Zealand
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and a few other things,
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but I really don't write for,
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I don't write for any agenda,
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except what I believe I need to say,
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or what I think is important to say.
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I don't write to get subscriptions,
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I don't write to get anything from anybody,
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I don't even write for an audience.
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I only write what I believe I feel I need to say,
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and I think is worthy of expression, period.
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So in that, it frees me up from any of the chains
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0:30:40 --> 0:30:[privacy contact redaction]e, if you're a newspaper writer
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and you gotta put an article out every week
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and you got a certain audience segment
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you're always churning something out in a certain direction.
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I don't have to do that, I don't have to write anything,
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I don't have to do anything like that,
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so I feel as if I'm as close to independence as I can be,
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0:31:05 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction]ors,
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that goes on no matter what.
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But that's where I come from.
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I've been particularly concerned with the use of power
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and what power has done and what power does,
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which is power is never satisfied with the power it has,
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0:31:28 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction]s seeks to augment itself.
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And we're in an age where the tremendous technological
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0:31:38 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction] exercise of power
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0:31:41 --> 0:31:[privacy contact redaction]ory.
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You know, when Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar
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which were rudimentary compared to ours
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and which involved masses of men and armies
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and the kind of force they exerted.
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And here, the concentration of force and power
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has been immense.
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0:32:07 --> 0:32:[privacy contact redaction]oyed in COVID,
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in the COVID operation.
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With this, in this area too,
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I wanted to comment a little bit about communications.
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And I'll begin this with kind of an anecdote.
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Way back in the 70s, I think, I went to my dentist
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after I returned from Ireland.
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And I was in the waiting room and I saw this magazine
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0:32:39 --> 0:32:[privacy contact redaction]e Magazine.
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It was this new thing.
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I looked at it and I said,
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my God, who's gonna read this crap?
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0:32:49 --> 0:32:[privacy contact redaction] kind of threw it aside.
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Well, as we know, People Magazine became
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like an enormously huge hit, right?
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20 years ago, when Facebook came out,
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I said something similar like,
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0:33:02 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction]e their time with this thing?
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Well, all right, so I have some shortcomings
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in my ability to perceive what's gonna be popular
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and what's gonna reach people.
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But what I've noticed though,
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is that there has been in communication
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and in reading and exchange,
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there's been such an infantilization
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0:33:22 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction] we communicate with the so-called social media.
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I mean, this whole idea of anything you do
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has to be rated or can be rated with a like or a dislike
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or thumbs up.
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0:33:37 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction] wanna read what's current,
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they don't wanna go beyond what's more than a day old.
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This idea that things are too long,
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0:33:47 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction], too long, didn't read.
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0:33:49 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction] very short,
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brief communications and not wanting to sit down
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and really delve into something
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0:33:56 --> 0:33:[privacy contact redaction] upon something.
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0:34:00 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction]ion with the total surveillance,
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there's almost nothing one can do nowadays
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that is gonna be forgotten.
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0:34:13 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction] some kind of slip when you're 25,
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that's gonna be recorded somewhere
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and it'll be held to account.
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These social media accounts are being invaded
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0:34:24 --> 0:34:[privacy contact redaction] you.
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We saw what happened with the Canadian truckers
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and how their bank accounts were frozen.
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So this total digital surveillance
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and this infantilized feedback loop of small,
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quick communication to me is kind of a nightmare,
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but I don't think it's gonna go away anytime soon.
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I don't have any solution for that
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except that I try to keep that to a minimum.
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I try to read, I tried to read in a considered way,
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away from the screen and try to absorb things
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and communicate things when I feel I've gathered enough heft
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to communicate them.
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In New Zealand, well, I mentioned briefly
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I don't know how many people are aware
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0:35:16 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]s.
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It's a private organization founded in 1911
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and it basically has assumed the role
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0:35:25 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]ate medical boards
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0:35:27 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]ates and through its international arm,
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the International Association of Medical Regulatory Agencies
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around the world.
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Ireland is a member.
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The Medical Council of New Zealand
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0:35:41 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]rongly associated.
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0:35:43 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction], the former CEO of the Medical Council
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is now the chair of the IAMRA,
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the International Arm of the Federation
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0:35:50 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction]s.
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And I think this has been a mafia situation
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0:35:55 --> 0:35:[privacy contact redaction] controlled
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what is going on around the world.
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0:35:59 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction] Waters or Billy Rolfe or myself
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or Peter Canaday here in New Zealand or Matt Shelton
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0:36:07 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction]ions to the agenda
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have been singled out, have been harassed, persecuted,
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0:36:15 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction]es and therefore,
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everyone else has been silenced.
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As I speak now, the Medical Council continues
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to harass and persecute good colleagues
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0:36:26 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction]in,
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having provided informed consent.
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I mean, it's beyond insanity,
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but it speaks to a frankly malicious purpose.
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They're going after us, they continue to go after us,
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they're relentless, they're charging people with huge fines.
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I did an interview with Peter Canaday,
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who was an American who was working here in New Zealand,
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wonderful man, who was hold before
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0:36:55 --> 0:36:[privacy contact redaction]inary Tribunal.
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He composed a 70 page brief that was titanium clad
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0:37:03 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction] in his defense.
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And despite that, they found against him.
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And he now is, they made it so that he can't even practice
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0:37:14 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction]ates where he's returned because of malpractice,
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he can't get malpractice insurance,
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thanks to the brouhaha that occurred here
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with the Medical Council and the HPDT.
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So they're vicious, they're going after us
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and we're trying to fight back.
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0:37:31 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction]ors SOS has some legal stuff
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0:37:36 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction] the Medical Council.
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We're trying to put our heads together to strategize,
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but it's very difficult.
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0:37:44 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction]ion though, I've written about that
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0:37:47 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction]en's Health Defense.
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And my friend Bruce Dooley has given a long interview
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0:37:53 --> 0:37:[privacy contact redaction]ate Medical Boards.
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He's also here in New Zealand from America.
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And it's an organization to keep in mind
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0:38:00 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]inating these various attacks
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0:38:04 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction] physicians around the world, not just in the states.
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Well, my impression generally about the whole COVID PsiOPS
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0:38:16 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]anation,
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but that it was an organized affair.
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0:38:24 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]inated.
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The whole world was shut down.
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I don't have any truck with people who say,
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well, it was something that kind of
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spontaneously arose organically and that,
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0:38:37 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction] occurred because of an organic process
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0:38:42 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]e fell in line because of some spontaneous chicanery.
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No, I think there's no question.
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0:38:47 --> 0:38:[privacy contact redaction]inated, it was deliberate.
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I myself believe that there was a COVID virus
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or some kind of pathogen that itself was somewhat harmful,
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0:39:01 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction] shot of a two punch combination,
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that the jab itself was deliberately manufactured
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to be harmful and even lethal.
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Now, that doesn't mean that there aren't variabilities
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0:39:17 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]s of the jab across the world.
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0:39:20 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]erday,
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0:39:26 --> 0:39:[privacy contact redaction]ually talked about the necessity
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to keep the Pfizer, I know that in New Zealand,
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we had the Pfizer jab initially,
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and you had to keep it at sub-freezing temperatures
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for it to be viable.
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I can guarantee that they did not throughout all of New Zealand
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keep those Pfizer jabs
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in the appropriate refrigerated condition everywhere.
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And that may account for a lot of the variability of response
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and it may account for some of the variability of response
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around the world as well.
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In any case, I never saw any need to have a jab.
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I thought it was unnecessary.
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I thought it was potentially dangerous
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at the very, very beginning.
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0:40:06 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction] been proved.
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The final issue that I would bring up today
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no matter where they are, no matter what groups they are,
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whether in their, on our side or on the other side
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0:40:26 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction] you.
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And I'm very frustrated with the overly simplistic
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and black and white thinking that has emerged
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in the freedom movement, for example,
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where I've heard such things as some people will say
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that Big Pharma has never produced any medication
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that's any good.
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0:40:52 --> 0:40:[privacy contact redaction] to say, well, I don't know about that.
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I'm not so sure about that.
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I think there's a kind of a degeneration
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0:41:02 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]s of thinking,
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0:41:08 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]erized by that correspondent who told me
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I've got to be, I'm a liar or ignorant
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or a controlled opposition,
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so I don't believe what he says.
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No, we've got to really be civilized adults
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0:41:20 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] an open exchange.
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Now, this brings me to the parliament protests.
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This is important.
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I don't want to forget this.
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We, in the aftermath of the inspiration
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from the Canadian truckers here in New Zealand in 2022,
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organized an occupation of parliament grounds
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in February of 2022 that was ended
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by an illegal police invasion,
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0:41:46 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] to March 2nd of 2022.
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I was there every day.
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0:41:51 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] many talks.
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0:41:52 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction] talks on the opening day for them
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when the convoy came.
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0:41:56 --> 0:41:[privacy contact redaction]ew people
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from all around the country in unified against mandates.
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0:42:07 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] the violation of human rights,
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which I think is the fulcrum of everything.
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There's a little story about this.
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So since I don't follow general media, I didn't realize,
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0:42:19 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] of the worst.
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0:42:23 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction],
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0:42:24 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction]e ever.
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And the typical things you'd find from propaganda.
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0:42:31 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction], I have to say it was the most important
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0:42:35 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] been part of that,
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that great gathering, beautiful gathering of people
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united peacefully, lovingly for freedom.
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0:42:47 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] a talk,
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I would look, I'd go up and look at parliament
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0:42:52 --> 0:42:[privacy contact redaction] a word with us.
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0:42:56 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]
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did any member of government come down and say,
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0:43:04 --> 0:43:06
hey, let's talk.
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Let's listen to what you have to say.
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It's astonishing.
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0:43:11 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]ing loud music
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0:43:15 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]e couldn't sleep, loud, terrible music.
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I mean, it was insane.
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0:43:20 --> 0:43:20
But think of this.
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0:43:20 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]er,
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wouldn't it have been a beautiful win for me to say,
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okay, listen, let's go down, let's have a little chat.
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And then I could tell everybody
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0:43:31 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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Of course, they're all crazy, but we did our bit
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and we were accommodating and we showed
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how wonderful we are.
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They couldn't even do that.
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They made a determined effort
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0:43:44 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] any truck with anyone there,
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0:43:47 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction] any exchange whatsoever.
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0:43:50 --> 0:43:[privacy contact redaction]s, I think, were felt.
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0:43:52 --> 0:43:55
Now, two other things about that.
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The day before that police invasion,
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I was part of a negotiating team
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that was to meet with the police
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0:44:06 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]e, lawyers,
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to kind of negotiate a settlement
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0:44:11 --> 0:44:12
because the feeling had been,
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this is going on now for a long time, over a month,
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0:44:15 --> 0:44:19
and we need to bring this to an end in some peaceful way
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0:44:19 --> 0:44:21
and let's talk.
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0:44:21 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction] minute, the police did not show up
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0:44:24 --> 0:44:25
to that negotiating session.
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0:44:26 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]iving home, I drove home by the police station
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and lo and behold, the entire street
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0:44:33 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]ation resides
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0:44:38 --> 0:44:40
had been full of these unmarked white vans,
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white or gray vans.
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0:44:44 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction] grounds.
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I told everybody I could.
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0:44:48 --> 0:44:49
I informed everyone, I said,
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0:44:49 --> 0:44:[privacy contact redaction]en, they're getting ready to do something.
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They're gonna come in tomorrow morning and be prepared.
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0:44:55 --> 0:44:57
Tell everybody, get the word out.
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0:44:57 --> 0:44:59
Hopefully we can, you know, do what you've gotta do.
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0:44:59 --> 0:45:04
I told every media person I knew, the filmmakers, everybody.
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0:45:04 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]e there said,
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0:45:05 --> 0:45:08
oh, don't worry about it, it's nothing.
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0:45:08 --> 0:45:09
The other half took me seriously.
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0:45:11 --> 0:45:13
And it turned out I proved right
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0:45:13 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction] the next morning.
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0:45:17 --> 0:45:18
But before that happened,
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I went home and I was part of a Zoom session,
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0:45:22 --> 0:45:24
a Zoom meeting with the human rights commissioner
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0:45:24 --> 0:45:26
here in New Zealand, Paul Hunt.
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And I was a silent observer to that.
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0:45:30 --> 0:45:33
And he went through this whole rigamarole
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0:45:33 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]e talking about the mandates
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0:45:35 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]s.
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0:45:37 --> 0:45:40
And I know from someone in his office that he was told
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that he should make his presence felt
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0:45:47 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction]s should any kind of police action occur
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0:45:52 --> 0:45:[privacy contact redaction] human rights.
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Actually, I'm fairly certain he knew
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that the invasion was gonna occur the next morning.
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And all he had to do was walk down there
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0:46:00 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction] be there as a presence
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0:46:02 --> 0:46:04
to prevent the brutality that occurred.
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0:46:04 --> 0:46:06
He didn't do that.
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0:46:06 --> 0:46:08
So the next morning, the police came in,
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0:46:08 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]e,
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they did all kinds of terrible things.
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0:46:13 --> 0:46:17
And it was a show of force that was a real stain.
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0:46:17 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]ed in this,
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0:46:19 --> 0:46:21
there's a wonderful film called River of Freedom
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that I've put a link to in the material I sent to Charles
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0:46:25 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction]ephen.
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And it's a beautiful film.
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And that link, Manny, is on the invitation
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0:46:34 --> 0:46:36
that everybody got.
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You didn't get an email invitation?
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0:46:37 --> 0:46:39
Oh, great, yeah, exactly.
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0:46:39 --> 0:46:41
Then ask. That's great, yeah.
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0:46:41 --> 0:46:43
And that's really, it's a really beautiful,
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0:46:43 --> 0:46:44
remarkable film.
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0:46:44 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction], so that's pretty much,
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0:46:50 --> 0:46:52
I think, what I have to say for today.
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0:46:53 --> 0:46:[privacy contact redaction] Bhakdi the other day
923
0:46:57 --> 0:47:00
as well, since he was one of the people
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0:47:00 --> 0:47:02
that my friends interviewed for their perspective series,
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0:47:02 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]e.
926
0:47:04 --> 0:47:08
And it's kind of like an historical record for posterity
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0:47:08 --> 0:47:11
of what we've been through, which is very valuable.
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0:47:12 --> 0:47:13
So.
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0:47:14 --> 0:47:16
Very good, Manny.
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0:47:16 --> 0:47:20
Thank you so much for sharing your journey.
931
0:47:20 --> 0:47:23
I think it's a very important testimony.
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0:47:23 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]ing will be valuable to a lot of people.
933
0:47:28 --> 0:47:33
I cannot believe what happened in New Zealand and Australia.
934
0:47:33 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]ralia, not much different.
935
0:47:34 --> 0:47:38
The militarized edition of police.
936
0:47:38 --> 0:47:41
But one of the wonderful, wonderful things
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0:47:41 --> 0:47:44
you mentioned about the loss of friends,
938
0:47:44 --> 0:47:45
we've all lost friends, but look at the hundreds
939
0:47:45 --> 0:47:48
of new friends we've got on this platform, hey?
940
0:47:48 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]atforms that we're on.
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0:47:50 --> 0:47:52
And as we've often said in this group,
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0:47:52 --> 0:47:[privacy contact redaction]ing,
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0:47:54 --> 0:47:56
don't worry about the friends you've lost.
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0:47:56 --> 0:47:58
Look at the new friends you've got.
945
0:47:58 --> 0:48:00
And the feedback I've had almost universally
946
0:48:00 --> 0:48:05
is that the quality, the foundation for the new friendships
947
0:48:05 --> 0:48:07
is a foundation built on freedom and truth
948
0:48:07 --> 0:48:09
and ethics.
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0:48:09 --> 0:48:12
So it's a pretty powerful basis for having a relationship.
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0:48:12 --> 0:48:14
So when you get together with somebody,
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0:48:14 --> 0:48:16
you don't talk shit about football.
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0:48:16 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
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0:48:19 --> 0:48:22
So it is truly a wonderful benefit.
954
0:48:22 --> 0:48:27
The other wonderful benefit is that
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0:48:28 --> 0:48:32
I've been following the work of Del Bigtree
956
0:48:32 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]arted, Andy Wakefield, from the early days,
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0:48:36 --> 0:48:37
for 13 years.
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0:48:37 --> 0:48:42
And this was brought to my attention
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0:48:43 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]
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0:48:45 --> 0:48:[privacy contact redaction]ralia.
961
0:48:49 --> 0:48:52
And I was horrified 13 years ago
962
0:48:52 --> 0:48:55
when I discovered the truth about vaccines.
963
0:48:55 --> 0:49:00
And this lawyer was trying to help families in Australia.
964
0:49:00 --> 0:49:04
And I'm wondering whether any of you in other countries
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0:49:04 --> 0:49:09
have this experience, but not one vaccine damage case
966
0:49:09 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]ralia ever.
967
0:49:13 --> 0:49:16
And I also point out that not one proper test
968
0:49:19 --> 0:49:21
has been done on the safety and efficacy of vaccines.
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0:49:21 --> 0:49:25
And in America, of course, since 1986,
970
0:49:25 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]y given to pharmaceutical companies.
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0:49:30 --> 0:49:35
But COVID, look at the gift of COVID, everybody.
972
0:49:35 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction] urge us to, don't get down in the dumps.
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0:49:38 --> 0:49:40
I mean, there's some amazing stuff happening
974
0:49:40 --> 0:49:[privacy contact redaction]er between Mexico and the US.
975
0:49:43 --> 0:49:45
America is being invaded and Lee Vleet,
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0:49:45 --> 0:49:48
who's presented to us here.
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0:49:48 --> 0:49:51
This is urgent, urgent issue, everybody.
978
0:49:51 --> 0:49:56
There are amazing young men ready to invade America.
979
0:49:57 --> 0:50:02
And what COVID, the gift of COVID is how many people,
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0:50:02 --> 0:50:06
maybe 20% of the population, 30% of the population,
981
0:50:06 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction] been woken up many
982
0:50:08 --> 0:50:10
to the dangers of these jabs.
983
0:50:10 --> 0:50:[privacy contact redaction]inary gift.
984
0:50:12 --> 0:50:13
Well, that's true.
985
0:50:13 --> 0:50:13
Let me say this.
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0:50:13 --> 0:50:15
And Charles, let me say this.
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0:50:15 --> 0:50:16
You know, I've grown along.
988
0:50:16 --> 0:50:19
I had my kids vaccinated with the usual schedules.
989
0:50:19 --> 0:50:23
As a kid myself, I think I got three vaccinations,
990
0:50:23 --> 0:50:25
the oral, the polio, the COVID,
991
0:50:26 --> 0:50:30
and maybe the tetanus and diphtheria, whatever.
992
0:50:30 --> 0:50:35
But I've only woken up relatively recently
993
0:50:35 --> 0:50:38
to the truth about the whole schedule
994
0:50:38 --> 0:50:41
of all of these vaccinations and the effects
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0:50:41 --> 0:50:44
and the work of Wakefield and RFK Jr.
996
0:50:44 --> 0:50:48
and Judy Mikevitz, all these people.
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0:50:48 --> 0:50:51
I would never, I will never take another jab in my life.
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0:50:51 --> 0:50:54
I would never encourage anyone to take another jab
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0:50:54 --> 0:50:56
of any sort like this.
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0:50:56 --> 0:51:00
And so I would say, yeah, I'm a proud anti-vaxxer,
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0:51:00 --> 0:51:02
given what they've done with them,
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0:51:02 --> 0:51:06
given how they're used, given, you know,
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0:51:06 --> 0:51:08
but these were things we thought of as mother's milk.
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0:51:08 --> 0:51:09
When I went to medical school,
1005
0:51:09 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] interviews was
1006
0:51:11 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction], okay?
1007
0:51:14 --> 0:51:17
And he talked about his ideals
1008
0:51:17 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]eur was his great idol.
1009
0:51:22 --> 0:51:24
And he recommended the biography by Valerie Radeau
1010
0:51:24 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]eur because of vaccination.
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0:51:27 --> 0:51:29
And I read the biography, you know, and all that.
1012
0:51:29 --> 0:51:31
We were not told very much about vaccinations
1013
0:51:31 --> 0:51:34
in medical school at all, except that you just gave them
1014
0:51:34 --> 0:51:35
and they were wonderful.
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0:51:35 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]s in a way.
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0:51:39 --> 0:51:41
So I grew up thinking, yeah,
1017
0:51:41 --> 0:51:43
I don't give them a second thought.
1018
0:51:43 --> 0:51:44
And now you're right.
1019
0:51:44 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction] all had our eyes open.
1020
0:51:46 --> 0:51:48
We can't not but have our eyes opened
1021
0:51:48 --> 0:51:51
to these kinds of things and to the immune system
1022
0:51:51 --> 0:51:54
and to how they're, what are they doing
1023
0:51:54 --> 0:51:[privacy contact redaction]em?
1024
0:51:55 --> 0:51:58
Forget about the mRNA, but just the ordinary schedule.
1025
0:52:00 --> 0:52:02
There's a lot to be learned.
1026
0:52:02 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] in world history
1027
0:52:07 --> 0:52:12
and it has rent the veil behind the corruption
1028
0:52:13 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]itutions
1029
0:52:16 --> 0:52:19
that I used to revere, many of us revered,
1030
0:52:19 --> 0:52:22
we thought had our backs, were protective, were wonderful.
1031
0:52:22 --> 0:52:27
The CDC, the FDA, the NIAID,
1032
0:52:27 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]itutions here that conspired
1033
0:52:30 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]e, to hurt us.
1034
0:52:34 --> 0:52:37
And that, right, so we're awake.
1035
0:52:37 --> 0:52:40
And I was reading this paper by Lurie Rushko,
1036
0:52:40 --> 0:52:42
I think you probably know about this.
1037
0:52:42 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction]ing,
1038
0:52:43 --> 0:52:45
tying things together.
1039
0:52:45 --> 0:52:[privacy contact redaction] to go from the great awakening to the great uprising.
1040
0:52:49 --> 0:52:52
And I hope we're on the verge of doing that.
1041
0:52:52 --> 0:52:55
And I believe that America is gonna lead the way
1042
0:52:55 --> 0:52:58
in that we need America.
1043
0:52:58 --> 0:53:00
I'm a constitutionalist, I was on an interview
1044
0:53:00 --> 0:53:01
with the Breggins and we were both talking
1045
0:53:01 --> 0:53:03
about how we viewed ourselves.
1046
0:53:03 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]
1047
0:53:07 --> 0:53:09
I grew up in the city where the Declaration of Independence
1048
0:53:09 --> 0:53:12
was signed, constitution was formulated.
1049
0:53:12 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]es of those documents,
1050
0:53:16 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]es are beautiful and immutable.
1051
0:53:20 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]es and degrade them,
1052
0:53:23 --> 0:53:25
as we know, and abuse them.
1053
0:53:25 --> 0:53:27
I'm not talking about the abuse of degradation,
1054
0:53:27 --> 0:53:[privacy contact redaction]es themselves.
1055
0:53:29 --> 0:53:33
Unalienable rights, we have unalienable rights.
1056
0:53:34 --> 0:53:38
Beautifully said, Manny, and that's what we have,
1057
0:53:38 --> 0:53:39
and that's why we come to these meetings,
1058
0:53:39 --> 0:53:43
to be reminded about your inalienable rights.
1059
0:53:43 --> 0:53:46
Okay, Stephen, next 15 minutes is all yours.
1060
0:53:46 --> 0:53:50
And gosh, Stephen, I know you could ask questions
1061
0:53:50 --> 0:53:53
for an hour and a half, so this is gonna be close.
1062
0:53:54 --> 0:53:58
So Emmanuel, that was a great presentation.
1063
0:53:58 --> 0:54:01
It was kind of low key, and you're very modest,
1064
0:54:01 --> 0:54:03
but beneath everything, you're very insightful,
1065
0:54:03 --> 0:54:05
I think, I think you know that.
1066
0:54:05 --> 0:54:10
And that's why Michel Strostovsky recommended you to me,
1067
0:54:10 --> 0:54:13
unconditionally, in fact, he chose you as the best,
1068
0:54:14 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction] in the world on this analysis that you've just done.
1069
0:54:17 --> 0:54:21
So he said I should get in touch with you.
1070
0:54:21 --> 0:54:23
I did get in touch with you, but just so happened
1071
0:54:23 --> 0:54:26
that you couldn't appear that particular day
1072
0:54:26 --> 0:54:31
that we had pre, and then I forgot, I'm sorry about that.
1073
0:54:31 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]ions,
1074
0:54:33 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]ions,
1075
0:54:36 --> 0:54:38
nevermind arranging it all.
1076
0:54:39 --> 0:54:43
So I wanted to ask you, I was very interested in you
1077
0:54:43 --> 0:54:[privacy contact redaction]ening all day long, 50 minutes,
1078
0:54:47 --> 0:54:49
was it seven or eight sessions a day?
1079
0:54:49 --> 0:54:53
Or sometimes 10, yeah, yeah, sometimes 10.
1080
0:54:53 --> 0:54:55
10, wow.
1081
0:54:55 --> 0:54:57
That's a lot of listening in a day.
1082
0:54:57 --> 0:54:59
I don't think I could do that, but anyway,
1083
0:54:59 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ening, but I didn't,
1084
0:55:02 --> 0:55:05
I don't, even I would have said that I wasn't listening,
1085
0:55:05 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]e, but I was very good at kind of,
1086
0:55:09 --> 0:55:11
I realized now I was very good at picking up
1087
0:55:11 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]e were saying very quickly,
1088
0:55:17 --> 0:55:19
and then getting a bit, not bored,
1089
0:55:19 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ions.
1090
0:55:22 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]and me?
1091
0:55:23 --> 0:55:25
Yeah, sure.
1092
0:55:25 --> 0:55:28
So I wanted to ask you, we haven't had a psychiatrist
1093
0:55:29 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction], we've got a few members who are psychiatrists,
1094
0:55:34 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]s,
1095
0:55:37 --> 0:55:42
and we've had Matthias Desmet, you know,
1096
0:55:42 --> 0:55:45
so he was on mass formation, very interesting,
1097
0:55:45 --> 0:55:46
he knows about totalitarianism,
1098
0:55:46 --> 0:55:48
he's written a book about it,
1099
0:55:48 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]ifyingly to me,
1100
0:55:53 --> 0:55:[privacy contact redaction]e were attacking Matthias Desmet,
1101
0:55:57 --> 0:56:00
I don't know whether it was because he was aligned
1102
0:56:00 --> 0:56:02
with Malone, Robert Malone,
1103
0:56:02 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction], I couldn't understand that,
1104
0:56:04 --> 0:56:07
I couldn't understand why the Breggins
1105
0:56:07 --> 0:56:11
were so fixed on Matthias Desmet,
1106
0:56:11 --> 0:56:14
and somehow got the feeling,
1107
0:56:14 --> 0:56:15
I don't know whether my perception was right,
1108
0:56:15 --> 0:56:20
that the Breggins were upset that Matthias Desmet
1109
0:56:21 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]e were responsible
1110
0:56:24 --> 0:56:25
for their own mass formation.
1111
0:56:27 --> 0:56:29
I never thought that he was saying that,
1112
0:56:29 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]anding.
1113
0:56:32 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction], so I wanted to ask you about,
1114
0:56:35 --> 0:56:38
so in my opinion, this whole thing was characterized
1115
0:56:38 --> 0:56:43
by psychological torture of populations around the world,
1116
0:56:45 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction]anned, it was evil,
1117
0:56:48 --> 0:56:[privacy contact redaction] from their,
1118
0:56:53 --> 0:56:55
what makes them human, from their humanity,
1119
0:56:55 --> 0:56:58
we're highly social animals as you know,
1120
0:56:58 --> 0:57:01
and it's absolutely extraordinary to me
1121
0:57:01 --> 0:57:04
that they sought to isolate human beings
1122
0:57:04 --> 0:57:06
who are highly social animals.
1123
0:57:06 --> 0:57:09
So the point about highly social animals
1124
0:57:09 --> 0:57:13
is if they don't have human contact, human beings, they die,
1125
0:57:15 --> 0:57:18
especially so in early childhood,
1126
0:57:18 --> 0:57:20
but I'm sure it's true of adults as well.
1127
0:57:20 --> 0:57:23
And so I wanted, do you know about the mice?
1128
0:57:23 --> 0:57:25
I know it's mice, I think it was mice,
1129
0:57:25 --> 0:57:[privacy contact redaction], the universe 25 experiment.
1130
0:57:28 --> 0:57:32
I wonder what they did to the mice.
1131
0:57:32 --> 0:57:34
If you remember that experiment,
1132
0:57:35 --> 0:57:39
they grew in population, they had everything they wanted,
1133
0:57:39 --> 0:57:43
they had nice quarters initially until it got overpopulated
1134
0:57:46 --> 0:57:50
and then they had as much food as they wanted, I think.
1135
0:57:50 --> 0:57:54
So it wasn't that, but they got, there was overpopulation,
1136
0:57:54 --> 0:57:55
it wasn't overpopulation per se,
1137
0:57:55 --> 0:57:57
but there literally wasn't room,
1138
0:57:57 --> 0:58:01
you know, it was quite big initially, but 200s over,
1139
0:58:01 --> 0:58:03
I think they went up to 10,000 or something.
1140
0:58:03 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]age where
1141
0:58:09 --> 0:58:14
the mice were so unhappy in an undefined way
1142
0:58:14 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]opped, they couldn't breed,
1143
0:58:17 --> 0:58:18
they couldn't reproduce.
1144
0:58:19 --> 0:58:23
And so I think it went down to 150 or something,
1145
0:58:23 --> 0:58:26
and so the guy who was doing the experiment
1146
0:58:26 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]e, he was the leader, I think,
1147
0:58:29 --> 0:58:33
he said that all the mice would die
1148
0:58:33 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] they were down to 150,
1149
0:58:35 --> 0:58:37
there's plenty of room, but they,
1150
0:58:37 --> 0:58:40
so I worked out that it sounded like
1151
0:58:40 --> 0:58:43
they'd lost the will to live.
1152
0:58:43 --> 0:58:46
And so is that what they did with human beings too?
1153
0:58:46 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ockholm's
1154
0:58:48 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction]ome,
1155
0:58:51 --> 0:58:[privacy contact redaction] will know
1156
0:58:52 --> 0:58:54
is extremely difficult to treat.
1157
0:58:57 --> 0:58:57
I think it's certainly part of one.
1158
0:58:57 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]ome.
1159
0:59:00 --> 0:59:02
I think it's part of what they did.
1160
0:59:02 --> 0:59:04
Let me go back, there were some experiments done
1161
0:59:04 --> 0:59:09
on raising infants by a psychoanalytic researcher,
1162
0:59:09 --> 0:59:11
whose name escapes me at the moment,
1163
0:59:11 --> 0:59:14
but one set of, and they were orphans,
1164
0:59:14 --> 0:59:17
one set of orphans were given food,
1165
0:59:17 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]enance,
1166
0:59:20 --> 0:59:22
but they were not talked to and they weren't touched.
1167
0:59:22 --> 0:59:25
And the other set were given the food and nutrients,
1168
0:59:25 --> 0:59:28
but they were touched and they were talked to.
1169
0:59:28 --> 0:59:32
And the orphans who were not touched or talked to
1170
0:59:32 --> 0:59:33
failed to thrive.
1171
0:59:34 --> 0:59:36
Okay, so it was very clear we need this.
1172
0:59:36 --> 0:59:39
During the lockdowns, remember, they separated,
1173
0:59:39 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction]e to attend funerals here.
1174
0:59:44 --> 0:59:48
Okay, they did not allow you to visit your relatives
1175
0:59:48 --> 0:59:49
in a nursing home.
1176
0:59:49 --> 0:59:[privacy contact redaction] quality, inhuman torture.
1177
0:59:54 --> 0:59:58
Okay, and they've also been gaslighting us too.
1178
0:59:58 --> 1:00:00
This is the other thing, you know that movie Gaslight
1179
1:00:00 --> 1:00:03
with Ingrid Bergman and I think Charles Poirier,
1180
1:00:03 --> 1:00:06
you know, he turns the, she knows the gas,
1181
1:00:06 --> 1:00:08
the gas lights go up, you know, everything's fine.
1182
1:00:08 --> 1:00:12
He convinces her that she's crazy when in fact,
1183
1:00:12 --> 1:00:15
she's actually noting what's really reality.
1184
1:00:15 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction] observed these things,
1185
1:00:17 --> 1:00:20
we're the ones that they're trying to gaslight all the time.
1186
1:00:20 --> 1:00:23
So the operation, the operation was massive.
1187
1:00:23 --> 1:00:28
It was incredibly, deviously brilliantly constructed.
1188
1:00:28 --> 1:00:31
And I think a lot of this has to do,
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1:00:31 --> 1:00:35
the use of the mask is a brilliant propagandistic tool
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1:00:35 --> 1:00:38
in their part, because even the,
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1:00:38 --> 1:00:40
even very highly educated, intelligent,
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1:00:40 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]e think, well, the mask,
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1:00:42 --> 1:00:44
well, it's gotta do something.
1194
1:00:44 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]s something, right?
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1:00:47 --> 1:00:52
And they convinced many, many people that these were essential.
1196
1:00:52 --> 1:00:[privacy contact redaction]e walking around with masks now.
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1:00:54 --> 1:00:59
They're utterly useless and actually are quite damaging as well.
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1:00:59 --> 1:01:02
But these are brilliant psychological tools that they know
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1:01:02 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] used to great advantage on their part.
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1:01:06 --> 1:01:10
Now, with respect to Desmet and I read Desmet's book.
1201
1:01:10 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction] a little quarrel with Desmet's ideas.
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1:01:12 --> 1:01:15
I don't believe mass formation explains all that much.
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1:01:17 --> 1:01:19
But I also took issue with this issue.
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1:01:19 --> 1:01:21
He wrote, he had a section in his book
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1:01:21 --> 1:01:23
about the Sierpinski triangle
1206
1:01:23 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]ained this kind of organic,
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1:01:27 --> 1:01:30
I mean, there's a feeling in Desmet
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1:01:30 --> 1:01:35
that it wasn't an elite that who deliberately
1209
1:01:38 --> 1:01:40
perpetrated an agenda.
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1:01:40 --> 1:01:41
And I think that's where the quarrel
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1:01:41 --> 1:01:43
with the Breggins came from.
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1:01:43 --> 1:01:46
So I've read an article about this in my Substack,
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1:01:46 --> 1:01:49
if you're interested, it's somewhere listed long articles,
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1:01:49 --> 1:01:[privacy contact redaction]
1215
1:01:53 --> 1:01:56
I think when it comes down to this issue,
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we're now, there is a dividing line.
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1:01:59 --> 1:02:01
If you think that all these lockdowns
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1:02:01 --> 1:02:04
and this whole operation occurred
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1:02:04 --> 1:02:08
out of some kind of spontaneous organic kind of wildfire,
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1:02:09 --> 1:02:11
then you're missing the truth of the matter,
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1:02:11 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ematic
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1:02:14 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]inated effort to go after us, the people,
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1:02:18 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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1:02:20 --> 1:02:24
I don't see any other way out of that explanation.
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1:02:25 --> 1:02:27
So Emmanuel, what do you think about,
1226
1:02:27 --> 1:02:31
so I'm not seeking to divide us further,
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1:02:31 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]onished that so many people
1228
1:02:34 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]uck on the vaccinations
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1:02:36 --> 1:02:40
and don't consider anything else, not even,
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1:02:40 --> 1:02:43
and if I say, oh, I think that populations
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1:02:43 --> 1:02:45
were psychologically tortured
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1:02:45 --> 1:02:47
or that they raped the souls of human beings
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1:02:47 --> 1:02:49
and they intended to do so, I'm told,
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1:02:49 --> 1:02:53
oh, no, you can't say that, that's going too far, apparently.
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1:02:53 --> 1:02:[privacy contact redaction]ly what-
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1:02:56 --> 1:02:58
You're absolutely right, I'm glad you brought that up.
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1:02:58 --> 1:03:01
I too, I'm tired, everybody's so focused on the jab
1238
1:03:01 --> 1:03:03
as if the jab is the only thing.
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1:03:03 --> 1:03:06
Well, the jab is one of their tools.
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1:03:06 --> 1:03:08
It's one of the parts of their operation.
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1:03:08 --> 1:03:10
I think the major one was that-
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1:03:10 --> 1:03:12
These other things are what you're talking about.
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1:03:13 --> 1:03:16
Fear, remember when this happened?
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1:03:16 --> 1:03:18
You couldn't go by your screen
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1:03:18 --> 1:03:21
and not see a death count of some sort.
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1:03:21 --> 1:03:24
Every day, a death count and fear, fear, fear, fear, fear.
1247
1:03:24 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]e, they were traumatizing people,
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1:03:27 --> 1:03:29
and it was phony, we know it was phony.
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1:03:29 --> 1:03:33
John Ioannidis proved to us scientifically it was phony,
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1:03:33 --> 1:03:37
okay, and yet they hammered away these death counts
1251
1:03:37 --> 1:03:40
every single day for such a long time
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1:03:40 --> 1:03:42
that I can't even remember.
1253
1:03:42 --> 1:03:43
And right, we have the more-
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1:03:43 --> 1:03:46
The issue that you raise about the jab, the jab, the jab,
1255
1:03:47 --> 1:03:[privacy contact redaction]e we're against are the merchants of fear.
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1:03:50 --> 1:03:53
They're the masters of fear.
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1:03:53 --> 1:03:58
If we try to combat fear, their fear,
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1:03:58 --> 1:04:00
without trying to induce fear by saying,
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1:04:00 --> 1:04:02
oh, if you get the jab, you're gonna die.
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1:04:02 --> 1:04:05
See, that person died, another example.
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1:04:05 --> 1:04:07
We're not gonna win that battle.
1262
1:04:07 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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1:04:10 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] gotta be more fundamental.
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1:04:12 --> 1:04:16
They violated human rights, they tortured people,
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1:04:16 --> 1:04:19
they imprisoned the healthy, they imprisoned people.
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1:04:19 --> 1:04:20
These are the realities.
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1:04:20 --> 1:04:23
And they're doing all kinds of things economically.
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1:04:23 --> 1:04:25
Look at the transfer of wealth that occurred.
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1:04:25 --> 1:04:26
Sure. Right?
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1:04:26 --> 1:04:28
Massive transfer of wealth.
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1:04:28 --> 1:04:29
And you know, but I'm sure your people know,
1272
1:04:29 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]uff with the currencies
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1:04:32 --> 1:04:34
and the WHO and whatnot.
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1:04:34 --> 1:04:38
So the fundamental issues are an attack on human rights
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1:04:38 --> 1:04:41
and human beings, physical beings.
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1:04:41 --> 1:04:44
Emmanuel, they played on fear.
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1:04:44 --> 1:04:46
They used fear propaganda.
1278
1:04:46 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction]ion is, were people psychologically tortured
1279
1:04:51 --> 1:04:53
beyond the point of no return?
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1:04:53 --> 1:04:54
And is that what we're seeing now?
1281
1:04:54 --> 1:04:[privacy contact redaction] great difficulty in remembering
1282
1:04:57 --> 1:05:00
how life was before 2019.
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1:05:00 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction] sense that it's very different,
1284
1:05:02 --> 1:05:05
but it could be my perception.
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1:05:05 --> 1:05:07
But I did spend a lot, sorry.
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1:05:08 --> 1:05:09
I share that perception.
1287
1:05:09 --> 1:05:14
I feel there's a miasma that's still above us.
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1:05:14 --> 1:05:17
And the world has changed.
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1:05:17 --> 1:05:18
I mean, I feel like there's been a change.
1290
1:05:18 --> 1:05:23
And I think that they really did do a number on us.
1291
1:05:23 --> 1:05:24
Sure.
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1:05:24 --> 1:05:26
Okay, they did a number on us.
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1:05:26 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]
1294
1:05:28 --> 1:05:31
They changed their view of the world.
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1:05:31 --> 1:05:34
But for me, for me personally, what I saw was
1296
1:05:35 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction] such power that they will force,
1297
1:05:41 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction]ance into my inviolable body,
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1:05:45 --> 1:05:50
that they will imprison me into a small area.
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1:05:50 --> 1:05:53
And nobody's fighting about this.
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1:05:53 --> 1:05:56
Nobody's rising up in rebellion.
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1:05:56 --> 1:05:[privacy contact redaction] that control.
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1:05:56 --> 1:06:00
They will go into bank accounts and freeze bank accounts
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1:06:00 --> 1:06:01
or even take money.
1304
1:06:01 --> 1:06:02
So this is the reach.
1305
1:06:02 --> 1:06:04
And they were surveil everything.
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1:06:04 --> 1:06:05
This is the reach.
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1:06:05 --> 1:06:07
That's what's terrifying to me.
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1:06:07 --> 1:06:11
And that's what I think that is what causes me
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1:06:11 --> 1:06:16
to continue to feel a great deal of trepidation as a result.
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1:06:17 --> 1:06:20
So yes, yeah.
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1:06:21 --> 1:06:23
So for a long time, just very quickly,
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1:06:23 --> 1:06:26
for a long time I thought I was immune and people like me,
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1:06:26 --> 1:06:29
I thought we were all immune from the psychological torture
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1:06:29 --> 1:06:31
which I was witnessing.
1315
1:06:31 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]ually I wasn't feeling very well
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1:06:34 --> 1:06:36
in the beginning of 2022.
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1:06:36 --> 1:06:38
I didn't feel quite myself.
1318
1:06:39 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]ually the reason was nothing other
1319
1:06:44 --> 1:06:46
than that I had been psychologically tortured too.
1320
1:06:46 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]ed by it.
1321
1:06:51 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction], but I think that we all are afraid
1322
1:06:55 --> 1:06:57
of saying that we were fearful.
1323
1:06:57 --> 1:06:[privacy contact redaction]n't heard many people saying,
1324
1:06:59 --> 1:07:02
I've heard people saying we need to run for,
1325
1:07:02 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]ampede for the exits
1326
1:07:05 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
1327
1:07:07 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]e
1328
1:07:09 --> 1:07:11
were very afraid.
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1:07:11 --> 1:07:12
I hadn't realized that.
1330
1:07:12 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]rated that they were further
1331
1:07:17 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]e on the meetings.
1332
1:07:23 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]e who were,
1333
1:07:28 --> 1:07:31
possibly they weren't in control of themselves.
1334
1:07:32 --> 1:07:35
They didn't realize what they were doing,
1335
1:07:35 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]ampede
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1:07:37 --> 1:07:39
for the exits all the time.
1337
1:07:39 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]e wanna hear on the group
1338
1:07:42 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]e what had happened
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1:07:47 --> 1:07:48
to wake them up.
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1:07:48 --> 1:07:51
But I wanted to ask you, since we've got the chance,
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1:07:51 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]e got PTSD?
1342
1:07:53 --> 1:07:[privacy contact redaction]ome?
1343
1:07:55 --> 1:07:57
Or is it all about cults?
1344
1:07:57 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]aybook on cults
1345
1:08:00 --> 1:08:02
or a deadly cult into operation?
1346
1:08:02 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]uff?
1347
1:08:04 --> 1:08:05
Yeah, you know.
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1:08:05 --> 1:08:07
The thing I want you to touch on, Emmanuel,
1349
1:08:07 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] been psychologically tortured
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1:08:11 --> 1:08:12
and who are not yet themselves,
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1:08:12 --> 1:08:14
are they ever going to recover?
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1:08:14 --> 1:08:16
Especially when they don't know what's happened
1353
1:08:16 --> 1:08:18
and nobody's diagnosed them.
1354
1:08:18 --> 1:08:20
It's up to us to point out to them
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1:08:20 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] more serious than they thought.
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1:08:23 --> 1:08:26
It was bad enough, what they saw,
1357
1:08:26 --> 1:08:28
but it's way more serious, I think.
1358
1:08:28 --> 1:08:31
I think, sorry.
1359
1:08:31 --> 1:08:33
Yeah, I think, Steven, there were a lot of profound questions.
1360
1:08:33 --> 1:08:35
I'm not sure I have the expertise to answer them fully,
1361
1:08:35 --> 1:08:36
but what I'll say,
1362
1:08:36 --> 1:08:38
I think we've all been psychologically traumatized.
1363
1:08:38 --> 1:08:41
I think there's no question about that.
1364
1:08:41 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction] the criteria that meet the PTSD stuff
1365
1:08:44 --> 1:08:48
and DSM is another thing, but we're bruised.
1366
1:08:48 --> 1:08:49
We're bruised, we're battered.
1367
1:08:49 --> 1:08:54
We've been shown the hand of power, and it is a vicious one.
1368
1:08:54 --> 1:08:[privacy contact redaction]e in the other camp
1369
1:08:57 --> 1:09:00
who they know something isn't right.
1370
1:09:00 --> 1:09:03
They unconsciously sense something is not right,
1371
1:09:03 --> 1:09:07
but they can't quite consciously apprehend it.
1372
1:09:07 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]e in the other camp
1373
1:09:09 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]etely blind to it
1374
1:09:10 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] think everything is fine.
1375
1:09:12 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] do what they tell you.
1376
1:09:14 --> 1:09:15
Everything's gonna be okay.
1377
1:09:15 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]s.
1378
1:09:17 --> 1:09:20
Part of the operation is human beings
1379
1:09:20 --> 1:09:23
are composites of good and evil, let's say,
1380
1:09:23 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction]ically speaking.
1381
1:09:25 --> 1:09:26
All right?
1382
1:09:27 --> 1:09:29
A good operation like this,
1383
1:09:29 --> 1:09:31
a brilliant devilish operation like this
1384
1:09:31 --> 1:09:[privacy contact redaction] out of human beings, purposefully.
1385
1:09:36 --> 1:09:39
And so you got rabid, crazy people
1386
1:09:39 --> 1:09:43
who would shout if you didn't wear a mask.
1387
1:09:43 --> 1:09:43
Sure.
1388
1:09:43 --> 1:09:45
And within 10 feet of them.
1389
1:09:45 --> 1:09:49
And who wanted to, who thought that
1390
1:09:49 --> 1:09:50
if you didn't get the jab,
1391
1:09:50 --> 1:09:51
you shouldn't be in their vicinity.
1392
1:09:51 --> 1:09:53
I was barred from family gatherings
1393
1:09:53 --> 1:09:56
because even though I was very healthy,
1394
1:09:56 --> 1:09:58
I had not been jabbed.
1395
1:09:58 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]e like Noam Chomsky,
1396
1:10:02 --> 1:10:07
the supposed leading light of the liberal left,
1397
1:10:07 --> 1:10:09
saying that the unvaccinated should go
1398
1:10:09 --> 1:10:13
and forage for their food and should be quarantined.
1399
1:10:13 --> 1:10:14
I've got a video of him saying something like that.
1400
1:10:14 --> 1:10:19
So this is, how do you explain that?
1401
1:10:20 --> 1:10:21
Is he co-opted?
1402
1:10:21 --> 1:10:23
Is he part of the program?
1403
1:10:23 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] an idiot?
1404
1:10:24 --> 1:10:27
Is he a cruel, sadistic person?
1405
1:10:27 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] for a person like that.
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1:10:29 --> 1:10:33
I mean, imagine a healthy person
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1:10:33 --> 1:10:35
being deemed a danger to someone.
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1:10:35 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]e who bought it,
1409
1:10:38 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]e who bought it.
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1:10:41 --> 1:10:43
It's inconceivable.
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1:10:43 --> 1:10:44
Can they come back?
1412
1:10:45 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction]ly, I don't know.
1413
1:10:46 --> 1:10:48
I don't know.
1414
1:10:48 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] to-
1415
1:10:53 --> 1:10:[privacy contact redaction] want to get, this is very important.
1416
1:10:55 --> 1:10:57
So when can they come back?
1417
1:10:57 --> 1:10:58
You mean, can they recover?
1418
1:10:58 --> 1:10:59
Is that what you meant?
1419
1:10:59 --> 1:11:00
Yeah, yeah.
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1:11:00 --> 1:11:01
Can they recover from that?
1421
1:11:01 --> 1:11:03
Can they get out of that mindset?
1422
1:11:03 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] to live without fear.
1423
1:11:06 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]e,
1424
1:11:08 --> 1:11:11
what it's like to live without fear.
1425
1:11:11 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] to not fall into the convenient notion
1426
1:11:15 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] their power.
1427
1:11:18 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction], we may not have as much power,
1428
1:11:22 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] power and we shouldn't feel disempowered.
1429
1:11:26 --> 1:11:29
It's a matter of asserting ourselves,
1430
1:11:29 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction]ing on our rights.
1431
1:11:31 --> 1:11:32
It's simple.
1432
1:11:32 --> 1:11:34
Yeah, but it's not just that, is it, Emmanuel?
1433
1:11:34 --> 1:11:39
Because so we, you and I, and others on this call,
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1:11:41 --> 1:11:[privacy contact redaction] a special responsibility
1435
1:11:43 --> 1:11:46
because we are kind of asking each other,
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1:11:46 --> 1:11:49
we're not sure ourselves of the extent of the damage
1437
1:11:49 --> 1:11:51
or the extent of the attack.
1438
1:11:52 --> 1:11:54
We're not sure of the psychological torture,
1439
1:11:54 --> 1:11:57
highly damaging psychological torture,
1440
1:11:57 --> 1:12:02
trying to isolate human beings, highly social animals.
1441
1:12:02 --> 1:12:05
And it's absolutely key for human beings
1442
1:12:05 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction],
1443
1:12:06 --> 1:12:09
yet they wanted to isolate everybody.
1444
1:12:09 --> 1:12:13
So Boris Johnson said on British television live,
1445
1:12:13 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ay at home.
1446
1:12:15 --> 1:12:18
And I personally think Boris Johnson, pardon?
1447
1:12:19 --> 1:12:20
I'm sorry.
1448
1:12:20 --> 1:12:21
I'm sorry, this person.
1449
1:12:23 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]ephen, that's 20 minutes now.
1450
1:12:26 --> 1:12:26
Goes quickly, doesn't it?
1451
1:12:26 --> 1:12:29
So what I'm trying, wait a minute, Charles.
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1:12:29 --> 1:12:31
So what I'm trying to say, Emmanuel,
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1:12:31 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]
1454
1:12:33 --> 1:12:34
You're also a psychoanalyst.
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1:12:34 --> 1:12:35
You've listened to many, many people.
1456
1:12:35 --> 1:12:37
You've got a great understanding of human beings,
1457
1:12:37 --> 1:12:40
which is why you're able to articulate
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1:12:40 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]
1459
1:12:42 --> 1:12:45
and kind of talk, jump from one to another.
1460
1:12:45 --> 1:12:47
And so what I'm trying to say is,
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1:12:47 --> 1:12:50
if we don't kind of have confidence
1462
1:12:50 --> 1:12:[privacy contact redaction]s about this,
1463
1:12:52 --> 1:12:55
so I'm not a psychiatrist, but I'm a medical doctor.
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1:12:55 --> 1:12:57
And so if we don't have the confidence
1465
1:12:57 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]ually push this possibility,
1466
1:13:00 --> 1:13:04
because no one else will, and no one will get better either.
1467
1:13:04 --> 1:13:05
That's what I'm trying to say.
1468
1:13:05 --> 1:13:07
So you and I may be-
1469
1:13:07 --> 1:13:09
So what I would say, Stephen,
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is that human beings are resilient also.
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1:13:12 --> 1:13:15
Human beings are social creatures.
1472
1:13:15 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]e want to congregate there.
1473
1:13:20 --> 1:13:21
They want to go to the beach.
1474
1:13:21 --> 1:13:23
They want to get together and swim.
1475
1:13:23 --> 1:13:26
They want to be with each other.
1476
1:13:26 --> 1:13:30
So there's a very strong impulse within us
1477
1:13:30 --> 1:13:34
to do what we need to do and should do.
1478
1:13:34 --> 1:13:37
And that cannot be,
1479
1:13:37 --> 1:13:39
that has to be taken into account as well.
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1:13:39 --> 1:13:41
It's not as if people were tortured
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and they're left disabled forever.
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I think that there's a restorative ability,
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1:13:46 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]orative capacity within each of us,
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1:13:49 --> 1:13:53
and it has to be nurtured and brought along.
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1:13:53 --> 1:13:[privacy contact redaction]ic.
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1:13:58 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]e
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1:14:02 --> 1:14:06
want to surge into a togetherness.
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1:14:06 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ic about is whether
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1:14:08 --> 1:14:10
the government will come down with something else
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1:14:10 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]e of another kind of terrible situation
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1:14:19 --> 1:14:23
and we'll be left with another apartheid society
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1:14:23 --> 1:14:25
and maybe even a more maniacal response,
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1:14:25 --> 1:14:28
like what happened to the man who comes back
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1:14:28 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]ato's cave and they conspire to kill him.
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1:14:31 --> 1:14:32
I don't know.
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1:14:32 --> 1:14:34
Well, so that brings us to another point,
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1:14:34 --> 1:14:36
which I'll very briefly mention,
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1:14:36 --> 1:14:37
but I won't have time to go into it,
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1:14:38 --> 1:14:40
in my opinion, there was no pandemic,
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1:14:40 --> 1:14:44
but further than that, there never have been any pandemics.
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1:14:44 --> 1:14:47
And what's more, there won't be any pandemics in the future.
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1:14:47 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction]aybook at the moment
1503
1:14:50 --> 1:14:[privacy contact redaction] Trojan horse is a new disease,
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1:14:55 --> 1:14:57
disease X, for example, because they can,
1505
1:14:57 --> 1:15:02
that Trojan horse can line up with all the other Trojan horses,
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1:15:02 --> 1:15:03
climate change, the war.
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1:15:04 --> 1:15:05
Yeah.
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1:15:05 --> 1:15:07
But it's the medical one,
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1:15:07 --> 1:15:10
the fear that's engendered by fear of death,
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1:15:10 --> 1:15:13
that's the most powerful, in my opinion.
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1:15:13 --> 1:15:14
All right, we're moving on.
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1:15:14 --> 1:15:15
Thank you.
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1:15:15 --> 1:15:16
25 minutes next, David.
1514
1:15:16 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction] that pandemics are not possible, Emmanuel,
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1:15:19 --> 1:15:20
means that they don't need to be afraid.
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1:15:20 --> 1:15:22
We need to get that message out.
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1:15:22 --> 1:15:24
Yes, we do not need to be afraid.
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1:15:24 --> 1:15:26
And even, Charles, give me two seconds
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1:15:26 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]ephen on this, okay?
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1:15:28 --> 1:15:29
This is important.
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1:15:29 --> 1:15:32
There is something fundamental about the medical issue,
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1:15:32 --> 1:15:[privacy contact redaction]or-patient relationship, the fear of death,
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1:15:37 --> 1:15:40
the power differential between the healer
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1:15:40 --> 1:15:42
and the person who is ill.
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1:15:42 --> 1:15:46
And it is at the fundament of totalitarian systems.
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1:15:46 --> 1:15:49
It happened during Hitler's reign.
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1:15:49 --> 1:15:52
It's used by all of these people.
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1:15:52 --> 1:15:54
You remember the Jews,
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1:15:54 --> 1:15:57
they were considered to be purveyors of contagion.
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Yes.
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1:15:58 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction], okay?
1532
1:16:01 --> 1:16:03
They were filthy, they were germ-ridden.
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1:16:03 --> 1:16:04
It is fundamental.
1534
1:16:04 --> 1:16:08
And this gets back further to the fear of death.
1535
1:16:08 --> 1:16:10
I think out of all of this,
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1:16:10 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction] important thing is to,
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1:16:12 --> 1:16:17
for all of us, to confront our mortality, accept it.
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1:16:18 --> 1:16:20
We're all gonna die sometime.
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1:16:21 --> 1:16:25
And why are we afraid of our own shadows?
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1:16:25 --> 1:16:26
Absolutely.
1541
1:16:26 --> 1:16:28
I mean, I agree with you, but this was no pandemic.
1542
1:16:28 --> 1:16:29
There was not a pandemic here.
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1:16:29 --> 1:16:30
This is fear.
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1:16:30 --> 1:16:33
Fear-induced baloney, et cetera.
1545
1:16:33 --> 1:16:35
But let's get more fundamental.
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1:16:35 --> 1:16:36
We all wanna live.
1547
1:16:36 --> 1:16:[privacy contact redaction] hopes, desires, and dreams.
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1:16:39 --> 1:16:44
And I think it's only in accepting that we will die
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1:16:44 --> 1:16:47
and we can die, we don't know when we're gonna die,
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1:16:47 --> 1:16:49
that we can truly be free.
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1:16:49 --> 1:16:50
Absolutely, I agree with you.
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1:16:50 --> 1:16:55
I think in my personal journey, I've lived a life.
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1:16:56 --> 1:17:00
And if I die tomorrow, I've died having lived.
1554
1:17:00 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction] a life, like a living death.
1555
1:17:04 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]
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1:17:06 --> 1:17:08
Cowering in all my needs.
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1:17:08 --> 1:17:09
Well said, Manny.
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1:17:09 --> 1:17:11
Wonderful, Emmanuel.
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1:17:11 --> 1:17:12
Yeah.
1560
1:17:12 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]and why Michel liked you, or likes you.
1561
1:17:16 --> 1:17:19
All right, next, we've got a string of hands up.
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1:17:19 --> 1:17:21
So, Jerry Waters.
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1:17:21 --> 1:17:22
Hi, Manny.
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1:17:22 --> 1:17:24
It's a pleasure to meet you.
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1:17:24 --> 1:17:28
You're obviously a true warrior.
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1:17:28 --> 1:17:33
And as many of my friends say, us warriors, truth seekers,
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1:17:37 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]ick together.
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1:17:40 --> 1:17:45
And it's so true that these people that we've met up
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1:17:45 --> 1:17:50
since 2020, we've been friends for a long time.
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1:17:50 --> 1:17:[privacy contact redaction]e that we've met since 2021
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are really, really different people.
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1:17:58 --> 1:18:00
They are worthy of a friendship.
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1:18:00 --> 1:18:03
And I would hope that I'm worthy of their friendship.
1574
1:18:04 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction] met such a fabulous group of people.
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1:18:08 --> 1:18:10
Now, of course, you come across the odd nutcase
1576
1:18:10 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]e are off the wall.
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1:18:12 --> 1:18:17
I do find there's a lot of quacks.
1578
1:18:17 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]e would be off the wall ideas and that.
1579
1:18:22 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction] getting on to the idea of crushing.
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1:18:25 --> 1:18:26
What was it all about?
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1:18:26 --> 1:18:29
It was about crushing the human spirit.
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1:18:29 --> 1:18:33
It was crushing the humanity in us, forcing us to,
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1:18:35 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction]ancing, the masking,
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1:18:36 --> 1:18:40
the whole thing was about crushing us.
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1:18:40 --> 1:18:43
I personally don't feel traumatized, at least.
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1:18:43 --> 1:18:45
I feel invigorated.
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1:18:45 --> 1:18:[privacy contact redaction] thing.
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1:18:46 --> 1:18:47
Well, it's not a good thing.
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1:18:47 --> 1:18:49
I hate the idea that's happened
1590
1:18:49 --> 1:18:52
but by Jesus brought out the fighting spirit in me.
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1:18:52 --> 1:18:54
And I will fight and I will fight.
1592
1:18:54 --> 1:18:58
And this is the hill on which I die.
1593
1:18:58 --> 1:19:00
I've reached 74.
1594
1:19:00 --> 1:19:03
I really not that pushed about getting old.
1595
1:19:03 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]age, yeah, it's okay.
1596
1:19:06 --> 1:19:08
So if somebody came up and shot me,
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1:19:09 --> 1:19:12
I would feel, well, at some stage,
1598
1:19:12 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction] after me
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1:19:13 --> 1:19:16
or a bridge or something after me.
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1:19:16 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]age.
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1:19:20 --> 1:19:24
Getting on to the virus.
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1:19:24 --> 1:19:25
No virus.
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1:19:25 --> 1:19:28
It doesn't matter whether there's a virus or not.
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1:19:28 --> 1:19:30
I personally believe there are viruses.
1605
1:19:30 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction] taught me,
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1:19:32 --> 1:19:37
and too often I've seen, classes of snotty nose kids.
1607
1:19:37 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]e came in coming into me
1608
1:19:39 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ions.
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1:19:42 --> 1:19:43
I picked them up.
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1:19:43 --> 1:19:45
I bring them home to my wife and kids.
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1:19:46 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ive entity.
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1:19:51 --> 1:19:55
40 years I've done this and I cannot help but believe
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1:19:55 --> 1:19:[privacy contact redaction]ious entity.
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1:19:57 --> 1:20:00
Whether it's an exosome or whether it's a virus,
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1:20:00 --> 1:20:01
I don't care.
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1:20:01 --> 1:20:04
I don't happen to believe it's a nutritional problem
1617
1:20:04 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ed for two and a half days
1618
1:20:07 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]s or whatever.
1619
1:20:13 --> 1:20:18
So what I'm saying is I stick with a viral concept
1620
1:20:18 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ious entity.
1621
1:20:20 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ion as well.
1622
1:20:23 --> 1:20:25
I don't think we should be going down this road
1623
1:20:25 --> 1:20:30
at this point in time, given that this is the greatest crime
1624
1:20:30 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]ory bar none.
1625
1:20:34 --> 1:20:37
This puts everything else into the hate me place.
1626
1:20:37 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction] totalitarian takeover.
1627
1:20:42 --> 1:20:46
And effort to transfer of wealth.
1628
1:20:46 --> 1:20:50
No, I know global warming was a similar type one.
1629
1:20:50 --> 1:20:53
But at the end of the day, I believe,
1630
1:20:53 --> 1:20:[privacy contact redaction]e of times on this Zoom,
1631
1:20:56 --> 1:21:01
I believe that COVID is the rock on which they would perish.
1632
1:21:03 --> 1:21:08
I believe this is the rock that put the whole ship of fools.
1633
1:21:09 --> 1:21:13
Because it's too widespread.
1634
1:21:13 --> 1:21:16
They went a bridge too far.
1635
1:21:17 --> 1:21:19
And that's my firm belief.
1636
1:21:19 --> 1:21:22
I also, again, I communicate with people all the time.
1637
1:21:22 --> 1:21:23
I'm fairly good at communicating.
1638
1:21:23 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]e are coming up to me,
1639
1:21:27 --> 1:21:28
shaking my hand saying, Jerry, you were right.
1640
1:21:28 --> 1:21:29
You were dead right.
1641
1:21:29 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]s three years ago,
1642
1:21:31 --> 1:21:33
but you're dead right.
1643
1:21:33 --> 1:21:35
So that's what I'd say.
1644
1:21:35 --> 1:21:36
We are winning.
1645
1:21:36 --> 1:21:38
We are definitely winning.
1646
1:21:38 --> 1:21:41
And I think that's a message we should put out.
1647
1:21:41 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]
1648
1:21:43 --> 1:21:46
If for a minute we begin to think that we're not winning,
1649
1:21:46 --> 1:21:48
well, then we're winning the great,
1650
1:21:48 --> 1:21:50
we're not losing for us.
1651
1:21:50 --> 1:21:53
We're losing for our children, our grandchildren,
1652
1:21:53 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction]en.
1653
1:21:55 --> 1:21:[privacy contact redaction] to win for them.
1654
1:21:58 --> 1:22:01
So that again is what I'd put out.
1655
1:22:03 --> 1:22:07
And as I say, the crime of COVID hoax.
1656
1:22:08 --> 1:22:11
And the assault and battery of the vaccine
1657
1:22:11 --> 1:22:14
and all the other damage that's done from the masking
1658
1:22:14 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]e
1659
1:22:18 --> 1:22:21
was done in the context of what we knew then.
1660
1:22:21 --> 1:22:25
And it doesn't really matter whether it's a virus
1661
1:22:25 --> 1:22:26
or no virus in that.
1662
1:22:26 --> 1:22:28
The crime was committed in the name of that.
1663
1:22:28 --> 1:22:30
And we've got to stick to that.
1664
1:22:32 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction] as an aside, what part of New Zealand were you in?
1665
1:22:37 --> 1:22:40
I'm in the Wellington region in the place called Eastbourne
1666
1:22:40 --> 1:22:42
right around the harbour.
1667
1:22:42 --> 1:22:43
Oh, yeah, yeah.
1668
1:22:43 --> 1:22:46
Yeah, I toured New Zealand, fabulous place,
1669
1:22:46 --> 1:22:48
both islands, north and south.
1670
1:22:48 --> 1:22:50
When you've walked the rugby at all,
1671
1:22:50 --> 1:22:52
do you ever manage to get hooked on the rugby?
1672
1:22:52 --> 1:22:55
Yeah, not a big rugby fan now, not really.
1673
1:22:55 --> 1:22:57
Yeah.
1674
1:22:57 --> 1:22:[privacy contact redaction]ayers.
1675
1:22:59 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]ually an All Black even,
1676
1:23:01 --> 1:23:04
but I've seen a few matches.
1677
1:23:04 --> 1:23:09
But, you know, Wellington is a bureaucratic centre
1678
1:23:09 --> 1:23:11
in New Zealand, it's the most bureaucratised,
1679
1:23:11 --> 1:23:13
it's terrible in that regard.
1680
1:23:13 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction] massed,
1681
1:23:14 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]e in the world.
1682
1:23:17 --> 1:23:19
Yeah, that's a crazy thing, isn't it?
1683
1:23:19 --> 1:23:21
Oh my God, really?
1684
1:23:21 --> 1:23:23
You would never imagine the Māori,
1685
1:23:23 --> 1:23:25
the Māori as they call them,
1686
1:23:25 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]
1687
1:23:28 --> 1:23:30
I've got a proud boast in that, I could honestly say,
1688
1:23:30 --> 1:23:33
I slept with an All Black.
1689
1:23:33 --> 1:23:34
Nice.
1690
1:23:34 --> 1:23:36
I didn't actually sleep with him.
1691
1:23:36 --> 1:23:38
I slept in the same room as him.
1692
1:23:38 --> 1:23:43
A guy by the name of Mike Brewer, he was a flanker,
1693
1:23:43 --> 1:23:45
and he came and he was coaching with the club I was with,
1694
1:23:45 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction], I was always roomed with him.
1695
1:23:49 --> 1:23:51
So I've got a proud boast
1696
1:23:51 --> 1:23:[privacy contact redaction]ually slept with an All Black.
1697
1:23:54 --> 1:23:55
Okay, on we go.
1698
1:23:55 --> 1:23:58
Thank you, Gerry, the sleeper with the All Blacks.
1699
1:24:00 --> 1:24:01
All right, thanks Gerry.
1700
1:24:01 --> 1:24:02
Anna.
1701
1:24:06 --> 1:24:10
Hi, thank you so much for that amazing presentation.
1702
1:24:10 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]en to.
1703
1:24:14 --> 1:24:17
And particularly given that my brother lives in New Zealand,
1704
1:24:17 --> 1:24:19
does do my four nephews and nieces,
1705
1:24:19 --> 1:24:23
and I was horrified at what unfolded in New Zealand,
1706
1:24:23 --> 1:24:25
because as a UK lawyer,
1707
1:24:25 --> 1:24:28
knowing that their law is based on our legal system,
1708
1:24:28 --> 1:24:31
I could not, I simply couldn't understand
1709
1:24:31 --> 1:24:33
all the breaches of human rights, as you pointed out,
1710
1:24:33 --> 1:24:34
that were happening,
1711
1:24:36 --> 1:24:37
particularly in the context that, you know,
1712
1:24:37 --> 1:24:38
it was the medical profession
1713
1:24:38 --> 1:24:41
who seemed to be perpetrating the breach of the human rights
1714
1:24:41 --> 1:24:44
and informed consent, et cetera.
1715
1:24:44 --> 1:24:47
So I don't, the first question really is,
1716
1:24:47 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] that, you know,
1717
1:24:50 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction] been taught
1718
1:24:53 --> 1:24:55
informed consent laws, I'm told,
1719
1:24:55 --> 1:24:57
who are supposed to uphold human rights,
1720
1:24:57 --> 1:24:[privacy contact redaction]e,
1721
1:24:59 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]y ignore all that?
1722
1:25:02 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ion number one.
1723
1:25:04 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ion number two, and I ask all this because,
1724
1:25:07 --> 1:25:08
I'll back up a minute, I ask all this
1725
1:25:08 --> 1:25:10
because I totally agree with you,
1726
1:25:10 --> 1:25:13
that, you know, this has been psychological torture.
1727
1:25:13 --> 1:25:17
And as a lawyer, you know, we've put the case forward
1728
1:25:17 --> 1:25:19
that that has indeed been the case.
1729
1:25:19 --> 1:25:22
And given this level of psychological abuse,
1730
1:25:22 --> 1:25:25
that would vitiate any consent that's been given
1731
1:25:25 --> 1:25:28
in any event, it would nullify the consent.
1732
1:25:29 --> 1:25:31
So that's my, you know,
1733
1:25:31 --> 1:25:32
where I'm coming from from all of this.
1734
1:25:32 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ore
1735
1:25:34 --> 1:25:38
was that of Jacinda Ahern's mental state.
1736
1:25:39 --> 1:25:40
And I didn't know how you feel,
1737
1:25:40 --> 1:25:42
whether you feel comfortable to comment on this,
1738
1:25:42 --> 1:25:44
but, you know, does she have a personality disorder?
1739
1:25:44 --> 1:25:46
Is she a psychopath?
1740
1:25:46 --> 1:25:47
Is she a sociopath?
1741
1:25:47 --> 1:25:51
Because I don't understand how these people
1742
1:25:51 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction] like that as normal beings, as it were.
1743
1:25:55 --> 1:25:[privacy contact redaction]ening.
1744
1:25:58 --> 1:25:58
Oh, right.
1745
1:25:58 --> 1:26:00
Well, let me first say, I don't,
1746
1:26:00 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction],
1747
1:26:02 --> 1:26:05
I've never indulged in diagnosing people
1748
1:26:05 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]n't treated myself in a private way.
1749
1:26:09 --> 1:26:10
Fair enough.
1750
1:26:10 --> 1:26:12
I don't believe in diagnosing public figures.
1751
1:26:12 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ions
1752
1:26:15 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ive.
1753
1:26:18 --> 1:26:21
And it seems to me as if she were following orders.
1754
1:26:21 --> 1:26:24
You know, she worked with Tony Blair in the past.
1755
1:26:25 --> 1:26:29
To me, she was a willing puppet
1756
1:26:29 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]roy the fabric of her country.
1757
1:26:33 --> 1:26:34
Yeah.
1758
1:26:34 --> 1:26:35
That's how I see her.
1759
1:26:35 --> 1:26:36
Now with responsibility for-
1760
1:26:36 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] though?
1761
1:26:38 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction] make a comment on that?
1762
1:26:39 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]ively enjoyed it.
1763
1:26:42 --> 1:26:43
She was smiling.
1764
1:26:43 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]e challenged her on, you know,
1765
1:26:45 --> 1:26:47
you're creating a two-tiered society.
1766
1:26:47 --> 1:26:48
Yep, yep, that's the way it's gonna be.
1767
1:26:48 --> 1:26:49
Yeah, I remember that.
1768
1:26:49 --> 1:26:50
Yep, yep.
1769
1:26:50 --> 1:26:51
You know, she was happy.
1770
1:26:51 --> 1:26:53
Yeah, you see the problem, and the problem is,
1771
1:26:53 --> 1:26:55
I don't watch mainstream media,
1772
1:26:55 --> 1:26:56
so I saw very few clips of these things.
1773
1:26:56 --> 1:26:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
1774
1:26:58 --> 1:27:00
But I did see the clip of that.
1775
1:27:00 --> 1:27:02
And you know, it doesn't matter to me
1776
1:27:02 --> 1:27:04
whether she enjoys it or not, she did it.
1777
1:27:04 --> 1:27:05
Okay?
1778
1:27:05 --> 1:27:09
You judge by your fruits, not by other stuff.
1779
1:27:09 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ive and terrible and awful.
1780
1:27:12 --> 1:27:13
Yeah.
1781
1:27:13 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction] her being appointed
1782
1:27:15 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction] Church position
1783
1:27:17 --> 1:27:20
of being misinformation czar or something.
1784
1:27:20 --> 1:27:22
So, no, she's bad news.
1785
1:27:22 --> 1:27:25
But I don't expect much from the new government,
1786
1:27:25 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction] a foot in the door.
1787
1:27:26 --> 1:27:27
Now, let me get back to your other question
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1:27:27 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ablishment.
1789
1:27:29 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction] of all, as I said, you know,
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1:27:32 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ics.
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1:27:34 --> 1:27:37
They, the medical council, following their agenda,
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1:27:37 --> 1:27:40
following the FSMB and the national agenda,
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1:27:41 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]e, myself, Peter Canaday, Matt Shelton,
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1:27:45 --> 1:27:48
to show everybody else in the profession
1795
1:27:48 --> 1:27:52
that if you dare challenge what we're telling you to do,
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1:27:52 --> 1:27:54
you're gonna lose your license.
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1:27:54 --> 1:27:56
And so all the other 19, 18,000,
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1:27:56 --> 1:27:[privacy contact redaction]ors there, just,
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1:27:59 --> 1:28:01
no matter what they felt about informed consent,
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1:28:01 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] part,
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1:28:03 --> 1:28:05
with some exceptions, of course.
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1:28:05 --> 1:28:06
And so that's how they did that.
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1:28:06 --> 1:28:07
And they're still mum.
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1:28:07 --> 1:28:12
And I feel, I really feel no respect for these people.
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1:28:14 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]ly, that's my personal feeling is a kind of loathing
1806
1:28:18 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]e who sat by silently
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1:28:20 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
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1:28:22 --> 1:28:23
I agree.
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1:28:23 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]omach.
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1:28:25 --> 1:28:27
And I know a GP here, let me tell you,
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1:28:27 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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1:28:29 --> 1:28:33
Someone here had a serious adverse event
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1:28:33 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] jab, okay, a practicing GP,
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1:28:38 --> 1:28:42
and called me in tears and talked to me.
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1:28:42 --> 1:28:44
This is back in 2021, I think.
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1:28:44 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] her some support and whatnot.
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1:28:48 --> 1:28:51
Well, lo and behold, this same person
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1:28:53 --> 1:28:[privacy contact redaction] and is now back in the Covidian camp,
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1:28:57 --> 1:29:02
despite having experienced whatever.
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1:29:02 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction], I saw this person and the response I got once,
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1:29:06 --> 1:29:08
and the person was wearing a mask,
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1:29:08 --> 1:29:10
I don't wanna reveal the gender,
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1:29:10 --> 1:29:11
person was wearing a mask,
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1:29:11 --> 1:29:13
I can't believe it, wearing a mask,
1825
1:29:13 --> 1:29:15
and said to me, how you feeling?
1826
1:29:15 --> 1:29:18
I said, I'm feeling great except for this rat,
1827
1:29:18 --> 1:29:21
this lockdown, the traffic lights,
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1:29:21 --> 1:29:23
and the person in response said, how you feeling?
1829
1:29:23 --> 1:29:25
The person in response said, I'm terrified.
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1:29:25 --> 1:29:26
I said, terrified?
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1:29:26 --> 1:29:28
What are you terrified of?
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1:29:28 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]n't been fully jabbed.
1833
1:29:31 --> 1:29:33
It was one of the few real exemptions
1834
1:29:33 --> 1:29:36
since the person, you know, I couldn't believe it.
1835
1:29:36 --> 1:29:37
So that's where we're kind of up against
1836
1:29:37 --> 1:29:39
this kind of a culture.
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1:29:39 --> 1:29:44
And yeah, I don't know what to say about that any further.
1838
1:29:45 --> 1:29:45
That's very helpful.
1839
1:29:45 --> 1:29:50
At 3%, at 3% of the doctors here just said,
1840
1:29:50 --> 1:29:53
hold on, we need informed consent.
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1:29:53 --> 1:29:56
You can't say one size fits all for everybody.
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1:29:56 --> 1:29:[privacy contact redaction]opped it in its tracks.
1843
1:29:58 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]ly, I keep saying that.
1844
1:30:02 --> 1:30:03
Very good.
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1:30:03 --> 1:30:06
Well, I mean, the horrifying thing is that, you know,
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1:30:06 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] kept their head down
1847
1:30:09 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] with it all.
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1:30:10 --> 1:30:12
But you know, as the lawsuit's coming,
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1:30:12 --> 1:30:15
they're facing imprisonment or worse.
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1:30:15 --> 1:30:17
And you know, it just astonishes me that they think
1851
1:30:17 --> 1:30:20
for that short term gain, that that long term risk
1852
1:30:20 --> 1:30:23
is worth taking, besides the breach of their oath
1853
1:30:23 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] that they're killing people.
1854
1:30:24 --> 1:30:27
I mean, the whole thing just appalls me.
1855
1:30:27 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction], thank you so much for taking your stand
1856
1:30:29 --> 1:30:31
and you're a hero.
1857
1:30:31 --> 1:30:33
And I work with Matt Shelton and he's a hero too.
1858
1:30:33 --> 1:30:35
Thank you both so much.
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1:30:36 --> 1:30:38
Thank you, Anna, well said.
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1:30:38 --> 1:30:42
Jeremy, our favorite dentist from the Channel Islands.
1861
1:30:42 --> 1:30:44
Manny.
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1:30:44 --> 1:30:46
Hi, Emmanuel, yeah, very much appreciated
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1:30:46 --> 1:30:47
your comments today.
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1:30:47 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction] with one really,
1865
1:30:48 --> 1:30:51
because I was all set to possibly move to New Zealand.
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1:30:51 --> 1:30:53
One of my colleagues moved over,
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1:30:53 --> 1:30:[privacy contact redaction]ice out there
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1:30:55 --> 1:30:59
and he ended up getting about three of them
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1:30:59 --> 1:31:01
and regretting it very much.
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1:31:01 --> 1:31:04
So I noticed they've revoked the mandate now,
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1:31:04 --> 1:31:08
but what do you feel is the political situation there
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1:31:09 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]s to the politicians,
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1:31:11 --> 1:31:13
the population and the medics?
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1:31:13 --> 1:31:15
Are they waking up?
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1:31:15 --> 1:31:17
Do you think they could,
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1:31:18 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] another so-called pandemic,
1877
1:31:21 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] impose another mandate?
1878
1:31:24 --> 1:31:27
What is your view on the professions
1879
1:31:27 --> 1:31:31
and the populations attitude to this now going forwards?
1880
1:31:31 --> 1:31:32
Well, there's a little wrinkle with,
1881
1:31:32 --> 1:31:33
they revoke the mandates and yet,
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1:31:33 --> 1:31:36
if you wanna get a job with the health system,
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1:31:36 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] to be jabbed.
1884
1:31:37 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction] you're being jabbed.
1885
1:31:40 --> 1:31:42
So much for the mandates being revoked.
1886
1:31:42 --> 1:31:44
It's a very clever system they have.
1887
1:31:45 --> 1:31:49
In Wellington, they have a dearth of psychiatrists
1888
1:31:49 --> 1:31:51
and yet they terminated two
1889
1:31:51 --> 1:31:[privacy contact redaction]s they had
1890
1:31:55 --> 1:31:59
who had been working here long and well and well respected.
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1:31:59 --> 1:32:00
They don't care.
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1:32:02 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] to the political situation,
1893
1:32:04 --> 1:32:05
as I say, we have a foot in the door,
1894
1:32:05 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]on Peters.
1895
1:32:08 --> 1:32:11
I am not so, I don't believe that the COVID inquiry
1896
1:32:11 --> 1:32:14
that's being established is going to result in much
1897
1:32:14 --> 1:32:17
because all the major parties were in cahoots
1898
1:32:17 --> 1:32:19
when this all happened and they're not gonna wanna
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1:32:19 --> 1:32:23
put themselves in prison, whoever's conducting the inquiry.
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1:32:23 --> 1:32:28
But I think that it's gonna come down to people
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1:32:28 --> 1:32:32
on the ground saying, no, we're not gonna do this.
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1:32:32 --> 1:32:34
You can't do this to us.
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1:32:34 --> 1:32:36
Whether the professions will follow along
1904
1:32:36 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]ors who were kind of biding their time
1905
1:32:39 --> 1:32:42
with their heads below the parapet
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1:32:42 --> 1:32:43
are gonna peep up a little bit.
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1:32:44 --> 1:32:47
I'm not so sanguine about that, Jeremy,
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1:32:47 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction] over here.
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1:32:48 --> 1:32:49
New Zealand is a funny country.
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1:32:49 --> 1:32:52
I thought this was a really rough and tough kind of place
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1:32:52 --> 1:32:[privacy contact redaction]e could use that number eight wire
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1:32:55 --> 1:32:58
and fix anything and take care of all kinds of problems.
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1:33:00 --> 1:33:04
It's, yeah, I'm not so sure.
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1:33:04 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]aggered.
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1:33:05 --> 1:33:08
I didn't think the Australians, all the New Zealanders,
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1:33:08 --> 1:33:09
will put up, sorry, Charles,
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1:33:09 --> 1:33:11
would put up with any of this crap.
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1:33:11 --> 1:33:13
I thought as a race and a nation
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1:33:13 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]ronger.
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1:33:15 --> 1:33:19
I couldn't believe they just bowed down and lined up
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1:33:19 --> 1:33:21
and no one said anything.
1922
1:33:21 --> 1:33:22
That's not a criticism.
1923
1:33:22 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction], maybe they were just play totally.
1924
1:33:25 --> 1:33:27
But I'm very shocked.
1925
1:33:27 --> 1:33:31
It's interesting to say that's still there and in place.
1926
1:33:31 --> 1:33:32
Thank you for that.
1927
1:33:32 --> 1:33:35
It's very sad and biased as well.
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1:33:37 --> 1:33:39
All right, so thank you, Jeremy.
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1:33:39 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction]erday
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1:33:42 --> 1:33:47
who, Manny question and Stephen questioned my stance
1931
1:33:47 --> 1:33:[privacy contact redaction] four years.
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1:33:49 --> 1:33:52
He's been my accountant for 20 plus years.
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1:33:52 --> 1:33:57
And he is a very fit guy, 50 years of age,
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1:33:59 --> 1:34:00
so much younger than me.
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1:34:01 --> 1:34:06
And had heart, suddenly got heart problems.
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1:34:07 --> 1:34:10
So Jeremy, to your point and Manny,
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1:34:10 --> 1:34:12
what we're talking about,
1938
1:34:12 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ay he tells me he discussed his,
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1:34:15 --> 1:34:20
sorry, he's now awoken and he's become,
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1:34:20 --> 1:34:24
and I'm also on the committee
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1:34:24 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ralian Vaccination Risks Network
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1:34:26 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] two years.
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1:34:29 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction]ay
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1:34:33 --> 1:34:[privacy contact redaction] absolutely agreed
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1:34:36 --> 1:34:40
that his heart problems caused by the jab.
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1:34:40 --> 1:34:41
So my accountant said to him,
1947
1:34:41 --> 1:34:42
so why don't you say anything?
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1:34:42 --> 1:34:44
And he said, as we well know,
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1:34:44 --> 1:34:49
why in essence I'll get attacked if I speak up.
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1:34:49 --> 1:34:53
So, and we've had the comment at this meeting
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1:34:53 --> 1:34:55
and we say it again and again,
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1:34:55 --> 1:34:58
that if 20% of medicos had spoken out
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1:34:58 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] this scam, it would never have happened,
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1:35:01 --> 1:35:03
but it's still alive and living.
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1:35:03 --> 1:35:06
And Manny, the attack on you and Stephen,
1956
1:35:06 --> 1:35:08
the attacks on you,
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1:35:08 --> 1:35:10
it's alive and well and living in these medical boards.
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1:35:10 --> 1:35:12
And it was good to be reminded,
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1:35:12 --> 1:35:15
Manny, thank you of the Federation of State Medical Boards
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1:35:15 --> 1:35:18
and then the International Federation.
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1:35:18 --> 1:35:20
And you shining a light on that
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1:35:20 --> 1:35:22
will help us to marshal our resources
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1:35:22 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]ivities of those
1964
1:35:24 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]s are more willing to speak up
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1:35:28 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]ephen, you've often said,
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1:35:30 --> 1:35:33
we've heard, well, why didn't you speak up,
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1:35:33 --> 1:35:36
quote, I have a mortgage to pay?
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1:35:37 --> 1:35:39
Oh, I've got to put food on the table.
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1:35:39 --> 1:35:40
Yeah, well, we all-
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1:35:40 --> 1:35:43
We've got Charles Hoff on, it's like a call soon.
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1:35:43 --> 1:35:44
It seems to me, Charles,
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1:35:44 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction]e miss
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1:35:47 --> 1:35:48
is that they're being attacked.
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1:35:48 --> 1:35:51
Don't they defend themselves and their families
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1:35:51 --> 1:35:53
when they're attacked normally,
1976
1:35:53 --> 1:35:[privacy contact redaction] sit there and take it
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1:35:55 --> 1:35:57
and say, I've got to put food on,
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1:35:57 --> 1:35:59
it's pathetic, I think, it really is.
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1:35:59 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]or?
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1:36:00 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]or when you've betrayed
1981
1:36:04 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]or?
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1:36:06 --> 1:36:07
That's the other thing. Absolutely.
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1:36:07 --> 1:36:09
I agree with you.
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1:36:09 --> 1:36:10
Okay, thank you, Jeremy.
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1:36:10 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ified, Emmanuel,
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1:36:13 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]ors saw the events of,
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1:36:17 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction] four years
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1:36:20 --> 1:36:21
as I see them.
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1:36:21 --> 1:36:23
I can't believe it.
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1:36:23 --> 1:36:24
It's unbelievable to me.
1991
1:36:24 --> 1:36:27
Yeah, it's the same as many in New Zealand
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1:36:27 --> 1:36:29
of the 20,[privacy contact redaction]ors.
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1:36:29 --> 1:36:31
There weren't thousands of them on the streets.
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1:36:31 --> 1:36:32
All right, Theresa, we're gonna keep moving.
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1:36:32 --> 1:36:34
We only got 45 minutes left.
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1:36:36 --> 1:36:38
Hi, thank you, Charles.
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1:36:39 --> 1:36:42
Hi, Manny, thank you for joining us.
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1:36:42 --> 1:36:44
You did a brilliant talk.
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1:36:44 --> 1:36:45
I'm so appreciative.
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1:36:47 --> 1:36:52
I was going to talk about a pattern interrupt,
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1:36:52 --> 1:36:57
changing the script of what we are trying to say to people
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1:36:57 --> 1:36:[privacy contact redaction]e,
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1:37:00 --> 1:37:03
they don't wanna know that they've taken poison
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1:37:03 --> 1:37:06
and nobody really wants to see the vaccine injured
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1:37:06 --> 1:37:09
because that will remind them that they've taken poison.
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1:37:10 --> 1:37:15
However, a point raised earlier about the person
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1:37:16 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ampede for the exits.
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1:37:20 --> 1:37:22
Well, that's me.
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1:37:22 --> 1:37:25
I've been saying that in this group for over two years
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1:37:25 --> 1:37:[privacy contact redaction]ate my rationale for that
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1:37:29 --> 1:37:31
and then ask you your thoughts.
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1:37:33 --> 1:37:34
Please.
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1:37:35 --> 1:37:36
Right, okay.
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1:37:37 --> 1:37:42
I live in the UK and ever since the very beginning
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1:37:42 --> 1:37:47
January, 2020, I could see that they were building
2016
1:37:47 --> 1:37:51
what appeared to be a slaughterhouse shoot around us.
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1:37:51 --> 1:37:54
Now, I think they're gonna make an example of the UK.
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1:37:55 --> 1:37:56
We're an island.
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1:37:56 --> 1:37:59
Presently, they are sewing through our food supply.
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1:37:59 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction] the farmers.
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1:38:03 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]eds of thousands
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1:38:05 --> 1:38:09
of fighting age men in our hotels.
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1:38:09 --> 1:38:10
They're migrants.
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1:38:12 --> 1:38:14
We don't really know why they're here,
2025
1:38:14 --> 1:38:15
but I'll tell you one thing about them.
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1:38:15 --> 1:38:17
They're not trying to date the local girls,
2027
1:38:17 --> 1:38:20
which kind of tells you they're on a payroll.
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1:38:21 --> 1:38:23
Our government, you know, for 200 years,
2029
1:38:23 --> 1:38:25
they don't build a new prison
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1:38:25 --> 1:38:26
and then suddenly they're building
2031
1:38:26 --> 1:38:29
six new mega prisons all at once.
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1:38:29 --> 1:38:30
Oh my God.
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1:38:31 --> 1:38:36
And I'm pretty sure that a Chinese social credit system
2034
1:38:37 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]er Rishi Sunak,
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1:38:40 --> 1:38:43
who nobody voted for, his father-in-law
2036
1:38:43 --> 1:38:47
is the owner of Infosys, which is the company
2037
1:38:47 --> 1:38:50
that put in the software
2038
1:38:50 --> 1:38:[privacy contact redaction]em in China.
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1:38:54 --> 1:38:58
So I've been watching this for three years
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1:38:58 --> 1:39:01
and I really do think that we are sleepwalking
2041
1:39:01 --> 1:39:03
into something much, much worse
2042
1:39:03 --> 1:39:05
than what we've seen so far.
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1:39:05 --> 1:39:10
I believe that Disease X or whatever they decide to pull next
2044
1:39:10 --> 1:39:14
is going to be, no more Mr. Nice Guy.
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1:39:15 --> 1:39:19
So I've been thinking about it.
2046
1:39:19 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]s a critical mass of anger
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1:39:23 --> 1:39:26
or a saturation point of defeat with the public
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1:39:26 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]e sad, scared,
2049
1:39:30 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]
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1:39:32 --> 1:39:37
because their government is telling them to do it.
2051
1:39:37 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]ly think that we need to change the record.
2052
1:39:40 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]op talking about the vaccine injured.
2053
1:39:43 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]art pointing out the big macroscopic reasons
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1:39:46 --> 1:39:49
why they're doing this and create a stampede
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1:39:49 --> 1:39:52
of a different kind, one of anger against the government
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1:39:52 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]eps
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1:39:54 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction]s.
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1:39:57 --> 1:39:[privacy contact redaction] from the vaccines
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1:39:59 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]e.
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1:40:01 --> 1:40:02
We've all seen it.
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1:40:02 --> 1:40:06
They shuffle their feet, they lower their gaze.
2062
1:40:06 --> 1:40:10
They appear to want to be somewhere else
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1:40:10 --> 1:40:13
and they really don't want to hear it, even now.
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1:40:14 --> 1:40:17
Well, let me respond with a few comments.
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1:40:17 --> 1:40:20
One, I agree very much psychologically speaking
2066
1:40:20 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction]s of the jab
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1:40:23 --> 1:40:26
we're only increasing resistance against us.
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And it's become something of a monomania here.
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Another person died from the jab.
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1:40:31 --> 1:40:33
Did someone die from the jab?
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If so, let's make sure this will be the game changer.
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It's not going to be the game changer.
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1:40:37 --> 1:40:38
Okay?
2074
1:40:38 --> 1:40:[privacy contact redaction] to get back to the core issues,
2075
1:40:41 --> 1:40:44
the global issues, the general assault that's occurring.
2076
1:40:44 --> 1:40:48
And we've got to just, I have arguments
2077
1:40:48 --> 1:40:51
with my own crowd here about the focus on the jab.
2078
1:40:51 --> 1:40:53
I'm sick of the jab, okay?
2079
1:40:53 --> 1:40:55
And psychologically speaking,
2080
1:40:55 --> 1:40:57
by continuing to harp on the jab,
2081
1:40:57 --> 1:40:59
we're kind of hurting ourselves at this point.
2082
1:40:59 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]e,
2083
1:41:02 --> 1:41:06
focus now on these more general and very important issues
2084
1:41:06 --> 1:41:09
like illegal migrants, for example,
2085
1:41:09 --> 1:41:13
like these invasions of countries to make them subservient,
2086
1:41:13 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ates, going on in the UK
2087
1:41:16 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]s like that.
2088
1:41:18 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction]ates will lead the way
2089
1:41:23 --> 1:41:25
and there'll be a turning point
2090
1:41:25 --> 1:41:27
and that we're in for a renaissance,
2091
1:41:27 --> 1:41:30
but that's not gonna come until 2025 and beyond.
2092
1:41:30 --> 1:41:32
I'm very hopeful of that.
2093
1:41:32 --> 1:41:36
And if not, then I'm gonna stand on my fence
2094
1:41:36 --> 1:41:39
and I'm gonna protect myself.
2095
1:41:39 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction], I'm gonna be, I win.
2096
1:41:42 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction], I win.
2097
1:41:45 --> 1:41:46
Thank you. Thank you.
2098
1:41:46 --> 1:41:47
And it's gonna come down.
2099
1:41:47 --> 1:41:[privacy contact redaction] to get out there
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1:41:49 --> 1:41:53
and fight for their liberties everywhere, okay?
2101
1:41:53 --> 1:41:54
We've been complacent.
2102
1:41:54 --> 1:41:55
We've been complacent.
2103
1:41:55 --> 1:41:57
We've been lying around, oh yeah, this is great.
2104
1:41:57 --> 1:42:00
We can be, we can do all these different things
2105
1:42:00 --> 1:42:00
and all that.
2106
1:42:00 --> 1:42:02
And then when their liberties are squished,
2107
1:42:02 --> 1:42:04
they don't say a peep.
2108
1:42:04 --> 1:42:06
We've got to fight to keep our liberties
2109
1:42:06 --> 1:42:08
and they're not conferred by government.
2110
1:42:08 --> 1:42:10
They are within us.
2111
1:42:10 --> 1:42:11
They are unalienable.
2112
1:42:11 --> 1:42:16
So would you say that my rationale for creating a stampede,
2113
1:42:19 --> 1:42:21
it doesn't have to be a stampede of fear.
2114
1:42:21 --> 1:42:23
It can be anger, but it would be better
2115
1:42:23 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ampede for the exits now
2116
1:42:25 --> 1:42:29
than when the shoot that they're building is complete.
2117
1:42:30 --> 1:42:31
Well, I would just say,
2118
1:42:31 --> 1:42:33
well, I wouldn't go have a stampede for the exits.
2119
1:42:33 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]ampede at the ramparts
2120
1:42:37 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]e trying to imprison us.
2121
1:42:39 --> 1:42:42
That's what this stampede has to go.
2122
1:42:42 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] here in New Zealand
2123
1:42:44 --> 1:42:45
at the parliament.
2124
1:42:45 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction]e together again.
2125
1:42:47 --> 1:42:49
That's the kind of stampede I wanna have.
2126
1:42:49 --> 1:42:50
Where are you gonna go?
2127
1:42:50 --> 1:42:52
Where am I gonna go?
2128
1:42:52 --> 1:42:[privacy contact redaction] to go, okay?
2129
1:42:54 --> 1:42:57
Except we hold our ground and we go against.
2130
1:42:57 --> 1:42:58
And the other point too,
2131
1:42:58 --> 1:43:03
is that a lot of touchy-feely people, loving people,
2132
1:43:03 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] an angry thought is a bad thing
2133
1:43:06 --> 1:43:08
or an angry feeling.
2134
1:43:08 --> 1:43:09
I don't agree with that.
2135
1:43:09 --> 1:43:11
No, I don't agree. We have gotta be angry.
2136
1:43:11 --> 1:43:12
We should be angry.
2137
1:43:12 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]ive.
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1:43:13 --> 1:43:17
So let's get angry and let's fight for ourselves.
2139
1:43:17 --> 1:43:18
Yeah. Yeah.
2140
1:43:18 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]ually drag them out
2141
1:43:20 --> 1:43:24
by the scruffs of their necks and remove them from power.
2142
1:43:24 --> 1:43:25
That's right.
2143
1:43:25 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]ion from populations around the world
2144
1:43:29 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]s.
2145
1:43:32 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] forgotten how to be men
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1:43:35 --> 1:43:38
and don't do anything, it's crazy.
2147
1:43:38 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] their family.
2148
1:43:39 --> 1:43:41
There's lots of people doing stuff.
2149
1:43:41 --> 1:43:42
There's huge amounts going on.
2150
1:43:42 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] don't know.
2151
1:43:43 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] to do is look at telegram groups.
2152
1:43:46 --> 1:43:48
There's one telegram group, Stephen,
2153
1:43:48 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction] O'Neill.
2154
1:43:50 --> 1:43:53
He has 59,000 subscribers.
2155
1:43:53 --> 1:43:[privacy contact redaction]n't heard of him.
2156
1:43:55 --> 1:43:57
59,000, unheard of.
2157
1:43:57 --> 1:43:58
It's wonderful.
2158
1:43:58 --> 1:44:00
It's wonderful.
2159
1:44:00 --> 1:44:01
And we're just going-
2160
1:44:01 --> 1:44:02
Yeah, but I mean, generally,
2161
1:44:02 --> 1:44:05
generally men are trying to be like women
2162
1:44:05 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] how women want men to be,
2163
1:44:08 --> 1:44:09
or say they want men to be,
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1:44:09 --> 1:44:11
because they don't really want men to be
2165
1:44:11 --> 1:44:12
like they say they want them to be.
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1:44:12 --> 1:44:15
So that's what I mean, Charles.
2167
1:44:15 --> 1:44:17
Well, there's lots, there is lots happening
2168
1:44:17 --> 1:44:18
and I'm an optimist.
2169
1:44:18 --> 1:44:20
I'm absolutely, we will win this.
2170
1:44:20 --> 1:44:23
And I remind you all of what Gandhi did in the 40s
2171
1:44:23 --> 1:44:26
through non-violent, non-compliance.
2172
1:44:26 --> 1:44:27
It's all we have to do.
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1:44:27 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]y.
2174
1:44:29 --> 1:44:30
So-
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1:44:30 --> 1:44:31
Well, we don't have to mention violence.
2176
1:44:31 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] need to say that it's okay to be angry,
2177
1:44:33 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction] as Emmanuel-
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1:44:35 --> 1:44:37
Yeah, be angry and don't comply.
2179
1:44:37 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]e are too reasonable these days.
2180
1:44:40 --> 1:44:41
Too reasonable.
2181
1:44:41 --> 1:44:42
No, they're not.
2182
1:44:42 --> 1:44:42
Not at all.
2183
1:44:42 --> 1:44:43
They're not.
2184
1:44:43 --> 1:44:44
Well, exactly.
2185
1:44:44 --> 1:44:46
They think they're reasonable.
2186
1:44:46 --> 1:44:48
They think they're reasonable.
2187
1:44:48 --> 1:44:48
That's right.
2188
1:44:48 --> 1:44:51
If Theresa says something or Manny says something
2189
1:44:51 --> 1:44:[privacy contact redaction]ephen, you say something,
2190
1:44:52 --> 1:44:53
wipe by your friends.
2191
1:44:53 --> 1:44:55
There's nothing reasonable about that.
2192
1:44:56 --> 1:44:57
Nothing.
2193
1:44:57 --> 1:44:59
All right, thanks Theresa.
2194
1:44:59 --> 1:45:01
Albert, our Eagle Man.
2195
1:45:03 --> 1:45:07
Manny is great to meet you.
2196
1:45:08 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]ening well.
2197
1:45:11 --> 1:45:14
Early on, I heard your Philly accent.
2198
1:45:14 --> 1:45:19
It's when you say the word talk, I hear a W in there.
2199
1:45:19 --> 1:45:21
That's Philly.
2200
1:45:21 --> 1:45:22
That's Philly right there.
2201
1:45:24 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]s, yeah, so I'm the creator
2202
1:45:28 --> 1:45:31
of the verresaware.com, a little website.
2203
1:45:31 --> 1:45:33
I follow the Verres data.
2204
1:45:34 --> 1:45:37
And since this COVID pandemic,
2205
1:45:37 --> 1:45:42
I've met a lot of friends from the New Zealand area
2206
1:45:42 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction] well before,
2207
1:45:46 --> 1:45:48
you know, in the beginning.
2208
1:45:48 --> 1:45:51
And since then, I've had a chance to meet
2209
1:45:51 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]leblower on a Twitter space
2210
1:45:54 --> 1:45:[privacy contact redaction]n't met Liz Gunn,
2211
1:45:57 --> 1:46:00
but she's retweeted some of my stuff on Twitter.
2212
1:46:02 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction]rikes me that, you know,
2213
1:46:06 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction] and a smart person
2214
1:46:09 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction], the power of words,
2215
1:46:14 --> 1:46:[privacy contact redaction] powerful tool we have
2216
1:46:19 --> 1:46:24
and possibly spirituality,
2217
1:46:24 --> 1:46:28
kind of like Jerry Waters was saying,
2218
1:46:28 --> 1:46:31
like he's, you know, he's not afraid
2219
1:46:31 --> 1:46:36
or there's a certain type of warrior that's not afraid.
2220
1:46:37 --> 1:46:42
And I kind of like to think that I'm in that space as well.
2221
1:46:42 --> 1:46:45
I'm not afraid, I haven't been hypnotized
2222
1:46:45 --> 1:46:50
because I think this is like a spiritual war going on,
2223
1:46:50 --> 1:46:52
a spiritual battle.
2224
1:46:52 --> 1:46:57
And, you know, because of my Christian upbringing,
2225
1:46:57 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction] really believe that, you know, I believe in heaven,
2226
1:47:01 --> 1:47:03
I believe in God, I believe in Jesus,
2227
1:47:03 --> 1:47:08
I believe that there's something else past, past the world.
2228
1:47:08 --> 1:47:12
And so it's like, I think of it as like,
2229
1:47:12 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction] like
2230
1:47:14 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction]ayoffs.
2231
1:47:16 --> 1:47:17
There's something more.
2232
1:47:17 --> 1:47:21
I don't have a death wish, I have a what's next wish.
2233
1:47:21 --> 1:47:24
There's something more.
2234
1:47:24 --> 1:47:29
And I think all of that, it's just kind of kept me calm,
2235
1:47:31 --> 1:47:33
kept me at peace.
2236
1:47:33 --> 1:47:35
And, you know, I just have to,
2237
1:47:35 --> 1:47:[privacy contact redaction] say it again,
2238
1:47:40 --> 1:47:42
you know, it said in the Bible,
2239
1:47:42 --> 1:47:45
I think somewhere in there, Jesus said that
2240
1:47:45 --> 1:47:50
we will be able to do greater things than him.
2241
1:47:50 --> 1:47:51
And it's like, what, I mean,
2242
1:47:51 --> 1:47:54
what a good type of father that is.
2243
1:47:54 --> 1:47:59
I mean, all fathers want their kids to be better than them.
2244
1:47:59 --> 1:48:03
You know, so I believe just because he said that,
2245
1:48:03 --> 1:48:04
or it's there in the Bible,
2246
1:48:04 --> 1:48:08
that someday it will be like that here.
2247
1:48:08 --> 1:48:13
Like, I'm sure, it's my belief, I think here on earth,
2248
1:48:13 --> 1:48:17
we've already solved cold fusion and cold fission
2249
1:48:17 --> 1:48:19
and cancer and all that.
2250
1:48:19 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] are keeping it a secret from us.
2251
1:48:21 --> 1:48:23
And-
2252
1:48:23 --> 1:48:25
Oh, Albert, may I make a response to that?
2253
1:48:25 --> 1:48:28
Because I think you brought up something very critical,
2254
1:48:28 --> 1:48:30
which is that I'm fond of saying that
2255
1:48:30 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] nightmare.
2256
1:48:33 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction]ato's cave in a way.
2257
1:48:36 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] all the technological
2258
1:48:41 --> 1:48:44
and computational power that we need
2259
1:48:44 --> 1:48:48
to make this world a paradise right now.
2260
1:48:48 --> 1:48:51
We don't need any more scientific discoveries.
2261
1:48:51 --> 1:48:55
We don't need any kind of flying, whatever the hell it is,
2262
1:48:55 --> 1:48:56
you know, flying saucers or not.
2263
1:48:56 --> 1:48:[privacy contact redaction] everything that we need to make this world
2264
1:48:59 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] everything we need.
2265
1:49:02 --> 1:49:05
So what is keeping us from doing that?
2266
1:49:05 --> 1:49:07
What's keeping us from doing that
2267
1:49:07 --> 1:49:11
is something within human nature, human psychology,
2268
1:49:11 --> 1:49:12
and groups.
2269
1:49:12 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] critical problem of the day
2270
1:49:18 --> 1:49:20
when you really think about it.
2271
1:49:20 --> 1:49:21
Okay?
2272
1:49:21 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] the power to make this a paradise.
2273
1:49:24 --> 1:49:25
Why are we not doing it?
2274
1:49:25 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]n't we done so?
2275
1:49:27 --> 1:49:29
And that's because there's something within us,
2276
1:49:29 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction]itutions
2277
1:49:32 --> 1:49:36
that is allowing some species of evil to prevail
2278
1:49:36 --> 1:49:38
to prevent that.
2279
1:49:38 --> 1:49:39
Right on, Manny.
2280
1:49:39 --> 1:49:40
Well, such a pleasure.
2281
1:49:40 --> 1:49:45
I know that, you know, I'm here in San Jose in California
2282
1:49:45 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] here
2283
1:49:47 --> 1:49:51
and we're gonna help tear down the beast here.
2284
1:49:53 --> 1:49:[privacy contact redaction] keep an eye on me.
2285
1:49:55 --> 1:49:57
They think I'm a little hummingbird,
2286
1:49:58 --> 1:50:00
but really what I am is a great eagle here in Silicon Valley.
2287
1:50:00 --> 1:50:02
God bless you, Manny.
2288
1:50:02 --> 1:50:03
Thank you very much.
2289
1:50:04 --> 1:50:06
Thank you, Albert.
2290
1:50:06 --> 1:50:07
And well done on your work and Jerry,
2291
1:50:07 --> 1:50:11
well done on supporting Albert in that work.
2292
1:50:11 --> 1:50:13
Okay, Alan, where have you gone?
2293
1:50:15 --> 1:50:17
I'm here, thank you.
2294
1:50:17 --> 1:50:18
Manny, wow.
2295
1:50:18 --> 1:50:21
And thank you for everything, everyone.
2296
1:50:21 --> 1:50:24
I'm just gonna give you some context and it is a question.
2297
1:50:25 --> 1:50:[privacy contact redaction]s we make our own realities.
2298
1:50:30 --> 1:50:31
I believe we do that literally.
2299
1:50:31 --> 1:50:36
I mean, to conscious, unconscious energies,
2300
1:50:36 --> 1:50:38
stuff that if I told you what I really thought about,
2301
1:50:38 --> 1:50:40
what is life and death and everything,
2302
1:50:40 --> 1:50:45
you would think I'm truly crazy, but it works for me.
2303
1:50:46 --> 1:50:51
I think it's very easy to generalize and talk about we,
2304
1:50:51 --> 1:50:55
like all human nature, all of humanity are doing this.
2305
1:50:55 --> 1:51:00
No, I don't believe that it's reasonable to generalize.
2306
1:51:00 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction] optimism
2307
1:51:05 --> 1:51:08
and we're winning, we're winning everywhere.
2308
1:51:08 --> 1:51:10
Where I am, I'm in Northwest Leicestershire,
2309
1:51:10 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]ay morning.
2310
1:51:13 --> 1:51:14
I see what is going on.
2311
1:51:14 --> 1:51:17
I see what is going on there.
2312
1:51:17 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]e supporting.
2313
1:51:20 --> 1:51:23
I'm 66, I'm not afraid of anything.
2314
1:51:23 --> 1:51:25
The context for me, and I think this answers
2315
1:51:25 --> 1:51:[privacy contact redaction]e approach this,
2316
1:51:29 --> 1:51:32
is I'm not scared of anything because I came into this
2317
1:51:32 --> 1:51:37
after several years of unrelenting suicidal disintegration.
2318
1:51:37 --> 1:51:41
I came into COVID wanting to die.
2319
1:51:41 --> 1:51:45
That was my context, if you like.
2320
1:51:45 --> 1:51:47
And so it was relatively easy.
2321
1:51:47 --> 1:51:52
I'm not denying that I've been subject to these traumas,
2322
1:51:52 --> 1:51:54
but I'd already had layers and layers
2323
1:51:54 --> 1:51:56
and layers of traumas beforehand.
2324
1:51:56 --> 1:51:58
So it was relatively easy for me,
2325
1:51:58 --> 1:51:59
and I'll come through it now.
2326
1:51:59 --> 1:52:02
And I'm now saying, right, bring it on,
2327
1:52:02 --> 1:52:04
because as far as I'm concerned,
2328
1:52:04 --> 1:52:07
I'm really, really fit and strong, 66.
2329
1:52:07 --> 1:52:11
I'll line up with the farmers and the military veterans
2330
1:52:11 --> 1:52:13
and anybody else, and I've got an ax.
2331
1:52:14 --> 1:52:15
So I don't care.
2332
1:52:15 --> 1:52:18
I really don't believe it's gonna come to that.
2333
1:52:18 --> 1:52:21
I think there is a reason for this.
2334
1:52:21 --> 1:52:24
Humanity is learning some very big lessons,
2335
1:52:24 --> 1:52:27
and I think this is meant to happen in a way.
2336
1:52:27 --> 1:52:32
I'm into the calmer stuff, and by that K-A-R-M-A,
2337
1:52:34 --> 1:52:38
a sort of inevitability to this is meant to happen.
2338
1:52:38 --> 1:52:[privacy contact redaction]ion.
2339
1:52:42 --> 1:52:46
Please, would you respond to that
2340
1:52:46 --> 1:52:47
and let me know what you think?
2341
1:52:47 --> 1:52:48
Thank you very much.
2342
1:52:48 --> 1:52:49
Thank you, everybody.
2343
1:52:49 --> 1:52:52
This is absolutely wonderful, as ever.
2344
1:52:52 --> 1:52:53
Thank you.
2345
1:52:54 --> 1:52:56
Well, Alan, I think you've answered your own question.
2346
1:52:56 --> 1:52:58
I think you've made an eloquent statement
2347
1:52:58 --> 1:53:02
about what things we're here to be witness
2348
1:53:02 --> 1:53:05
to this great exposure,
2349
1:53:05 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction] for us in how we respond.
2350
1:53:08 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction] been in association with
2351
1:53:12 --> 1:53:16
are vibrant, animated, alive.
2352
1:53:16 --> 1:53:18
Yeah, we're bruised and battered,
2353
1:53:18 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]e who are full of life
2354
1:53:21 --> 1:53:23
and not full of fear,
2355
1:53:23 --> 1:53:26
and I think that's the ticket to all of this.
2356
1:53:26 --> 1:53:27
And I appreciate your sharing.
2357
1:53:27 --> 1:53:30
It's a shame that the COVID was so lethal,
2358
1:53:30 --> 1:53:32
didn't get you, apparently.
2359
1:53:32 --> 1:53:34
I could say, I mean, you know,
2360
1:53:34 --> 1:53:37
that whole myth of the lethality of COVID, honestly.
2361
1:53:39 --> 1:53:44
You know, what's hard for me is the litany of stupidities
2362
1:53:44 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction] along.
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1:53:47 --> 1:53:50
I mean, really, it just was endless.
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1:53:50 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction]e wiping down things
2365
1:53:52 --> 1:53:[privacy contact redaction] wiped down in a million years
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1:53:55 --> 1:53:57
because it was gonna, you know, whatever.
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1:53:57 --> 1:53:58
Are you kidding me?
2368
1:53:58 --> 1:54:01
Will you relax a little bit, please?
2369
1:54:01 --> 1:54:02
Yeah, I agree.
2370
1:54:02 --> 1:54:06
But again, I think everybody's making their own realities.
2371
1:54:06 --> 1:54:07
I agree.
2372
1:54:07 --> 1:54:08
Everybody's on their own path,
2373
1:54:08 --> 1:54:11
and we keep coming around again until we learn,
2374
1:54:11 --> 1:54:14
and you know, that's kinda how it is.
2375
1:54:14 --> 1:54:17
And I'm proud to say, listen, I got a kid.
2376
1:54:17 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction] a baby,
2377
1:54:21 --> 1:54:24
and they're both, the baby is completely unjabbed.
2378
1:54:25 --> 1:54:28
And that's because, not because my son listened to me,
2379
1:54:28 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]arted to read and think and listen
2380
1:54:32 --> 1:54:35
and came to his own conclusions with his partner.
2381
1:54:35 --> 1:54:37
And I think that's the best,
2382
1:54:37 --> 1:54:42
and that's a good sign that people have to be independent
2383
1:54:42 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction] to come to their own decisions
2384
1:54:45 --> 1:54:48
and not be forced into anything.
2385
1:54:48 --> 1:54:50
Yeah, agreed.
2386
1:54:50 --> 1:54:52
Thank you so much, and everybody else.
2387
1:54:52 --> 1:54:53
Thank you.
2388
1:54:53 --> 1:54:53
Thank you.
2389
1:54:53 --> 1:54:54
Thank you, Alan.
2390
1:54:54 --> 1:54:[privacy contact redaction]y now.
2391
1:54:56 --> 1:54:58
Before we go back to you, Stephen,
2392
1:55:00 --> 1:55:03
one of the things that we all can do,
2393
1:55:03 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]e say, let's do stuff.
2394
1:55:05 --> 1:55:07
Well, everyone's doing stuff.
2395
1:55:08 --> 1:55:13
The vision of the law and how it can be used,
2396
1:55:16 --> 1:55:18
there are many, as Warner Mendenhall told us,
2397
1:55:18 --> 1:55:23
there are over 20,[privacy contact redaction]ions happening in America.
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1:55:23 --> 1:55:25
We don't know all of them.
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1:55:25 --> 1:55:28
I don't know all the legal actions happening in Australia.
2400
1:55:28 --> 1:55:29
Manny, you don't know all the actions happening
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1:55:29 --> 1:55:32
in New Zealand.
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1:55:32 --> 1:55:37
Now, the value of real estate has risen dramatically
2403
1:55:39 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]s over the last four years.
2404
1:55:43 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]e say they can't afford to support,
2405
1:55:45 --> 1:55:48
to donate to legal causes.
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1:55:48 --> 1:55:51
They can't afford to do this.
2407
1:55:51 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]e
2408
1:55:53 --> 1:55:[privacy contact redaction]rings.
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1:55:54 --> 1:55:57
The value of their homes has gone up ridiculously.
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1:55:57 --> 1:56:00
If there's a Carrington event, as Theresa would tell us,
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1:56:00 --> 1:56:02
it's not gonna matter anyway.
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1:56:02 --> 1:56:06
Give your money to causes that you support.
2413
1:56:06 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]e with money
2414
1:56:07 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]rings.
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1:56:10 --> 1:56:13
The second issue in terms of the psychopaths, Manny,
2416
1:56:14 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ern's of this world,
2417
1:56:17 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]en to David Icke
2418
1:56:19 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ern and her ilk
2419
1:56:23 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ive.
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1:56:26 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]essed this group some time ago.
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1:56:30 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]e on notice.
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1:56:35 --> 1:56:38
And secondly, while they're in office,
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1:56:38 --> 1:56:40
and secondly, and I'm doing this now
2424
1:56:40 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ralia,
2425
1:56:43 --> 1:56:46
every premier in this country has resigned
2426
1:56:48 --> 1:56:51
since they've imposed the COVID rules,
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1:56:51 --> 1:56:53
every single one of them.
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1:56:53 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction] to do in this group
2429
1:56:57 --> 1:56:[privacy contact redaction]ing
2430
1:56:59 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]e
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1:57:02 --> 1:57:03
after they've left office,
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1:57:03 --> 1:57:08
we know what you did and we will hold you to account.
2433
1:57:09 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] to do that,
2434
1:57:11 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] to mean it seriously,
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1:57:13 --> 1:57:15
I'm doing that with Daniel Andrews,
2436
1:57:15 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]oria's history,
2437
1:57:17 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]s
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1:57:20 --> 1:57:23
now that they're out of office
2439
1:57:23 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction] them
2440
1:57:25 --> 1:57:27
for their crimes committed in office,
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1:57:27 --> 1:57:29
two things happen.
2442
1:57:29 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]e in office now will realise
2443
1:57:32 --> 1:57:36
they can't get away scot-free by getting out of office.
2444
1:57:36 --> 1:57:41
Secondly, if we can prove with sufficient funds
2445
1:57:41 --> 1:57:44
that they committed crimes in office,
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1:57:44 --> 1:57:47
they will lose their lifetime retirement benefits.
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1:57:48 --> 1:57:51
And in my view, that's one of the important things
2448
1:57:51 --> 1:57:[privacy contact redaction]op giving these bastards
2449
1:57:57 --> 1:58:01
lifetime retirement benefits.
2450
1:58:01 --> 1:58:04
And I want all of us to think about your local politician
2451
1:58:04 --> 1:58:07
who didn't respond to you when they leave,
2452
1:58:07 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ate premier
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1:58:10 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction] in your country,
2454
1:58:12 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction] to put them on notice
2455
1:58:14 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction] from your crimes
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1:58:18 --> 1:58:20
by resigning from office.
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1:58:20 --> 1:58:23
And that's a point of view I wanna put to all of us
2458
1:58:24 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]op saying there's nothing that we can do.
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1:58:27 --> 1:58:29
One of us doing something like that
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1:58:29 --> 1:58:31
can cause an enormous tsunami,
2461
1:58:31 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ay's Sky News had the 17 year old kid
2462
1:58:36 --> 1:58:39
who flew in, I think in Indiana, manny,
2463
1:58:39 --> 1:58:44
flew a flag, an American flag on the back of his pickup truck.
2464
1:58:44 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]ove to school.
2465
1:58:45 --> 1:58:47
The school said, you're not allowed to have a flag.
2466
1:58:47 --> 1:58:49
He said, get stuffed.
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1:58:50 --> 1:58:55
One person tweeted it with 3 million followers and bang,
2468
1:58:55 --> 1:58:57
all of the next day,
2469
1:58:57 --> 1:58:[privacy contact redaction]arted flying their flag.
2470
1:58:59 --> 1:59:01
That's what one person can do.
2471
1:59:01 --> 1:59:04
So I want us to share that and manny to reinforce
2472
1:59:04 --> 1:59:08
why I'm an optimist like you are and like Stephen is.
2473
1:59:10 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]ephen, over to you.
2474
1:59:20 --> 1:59:23
Stephen, you're muted.
2475
1:59:23 --> 1:59:24
Stephen, you're muted.
2476
1:59:28 --> 1:59:30
Well, actually, Charles, you missed a compliment.
2477
1:59:30 --> 1:59:31
So I said, good speech from you.
2478
1:59:31 --> 1:59:32
So...
2479
1:59:33 --> 1:59:35
I'm Mr. Dragon.
2480
1:59:35 --> 1:59:36
Yeah.
2481
1:59:37 --> 1:59:41
So I said, and you said an optimist,
2482
1:59:41 --> 1:59:45
that I'm an optimist and I said I was an angry optimist,
2483
1:59:45 --> 1:59:46
but I was muted, so sorry about that.
2484
1:59:46 --> 1:59:48
Sorry about that.
2485
1:59:48 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction], Emmanuel, I wanted to ask you,
2486
1:59:50 --> 1:59:52
you're a psychiatrist, so this is great.
2487
1:59:53 --> 1:59:[privacy contact redaction]
2488
1:59:56 --> 2:00:00
So, oh, by the way, would you recommend a career
2489
2:00:00 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction] or as a counselor?
2490
2:00:02 --> 2:00:05
Because it seems to me that the one thing
2491
2:00:05 --> 2:00:10
that causes immense suffering is some mental illness
2492
2:00:10 --> 2:00:12
or, you know, even if you...
2493
2:00:12 --> 2:00:13
So anxiety, depression,
2494
2:00:13 --> 2:00:16
I don't really think that's an illness.
2495
2:00:16 --> 2:00:21
I think it's, you know, a normal reaction to a crazy world,
2496
2:00:21 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction] it could as part of it.
2497
2:00:23 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction], I wanted to ask you about addictions, you know?
2498
2:00:27 --> 2:00:31
And specifically, addiction to mobile phones
2499
2:00:31 --> 2:00:35
and computers and tech generally.
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2:00:35 --> 2:00:37
And also social media.
2501
2:00:38 --> 2:00:40
So you've got the twin addictions, as I see.
2502
2:00:40 --> 2:00:42
You've got social media and mobile phones,
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2:00:42 --> 2:00:45
and they're both addictions.
2504
2:00:45 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ions,
2505
2:00:46 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ed to the point
2506
2:00:48 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]ed these days,
2507
2:00:50 --> 2:00:53
even in North Wales, where I am at the moment,
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2:00:54 --> 2:00:57
walking around with their mobile phones, you know,
2509
2:00:57 --> 2:00:[privacy contact redaction]e
2510
2:00:59 --> 2:01:00
because they're looking at their screens.
2511
2:01:00 --> 2:01:02
This is crazy behavior.
2512
2:01:02 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]ed to anything else
2513
2:01:05 --> 2:01:08
other than mobile phones, which are so necessary,
2514
2:01:08 --> 2:01:12
and social media, which kind of makes them
2515
2:01:12 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction],
2516
2:01:13 --> 2:01:17
oh yeah, you've got to do everything on Facebook,
2517
2:01:17 --> 2:01:19
you know, your morning chores,
2518
2:01:19 --> 2:01:21
go through all your friends.
2519
2:01:22 --> 2:01:24
You see, nothing, you know, what's happened, Stephen,
2520
2:01:24 --> 2:01:27
is that nothing now ever occurs
2521
2:01:27 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]
2522
2:01:29 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]e that it's occurred.
2523
2:01:31 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]ly.
2524
2:01:31 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] can't, I can't go to the beach and have a swim.
2525
2:01:34 --> 2:01:35
It doesn't count.
2526
2:01:35 --> 2:01:39
I've got to make sure that I get a picture of myself
2527
2:01:39 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]s, and I send it to everybody.
2528
2:01:41 --> 2:01:43
I mean, it's ridiculous.
2529
2:01:43 --> 2:01:44
There's no easy answer to this
2530
2:01:44 --> 2:01:47
because they're not gonna go away anytime soon.
2531
2:01:47 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction] on people.
2532
2:01:51 --> 2:01:54
It's changing their chemistry in some way
2533
2:01:54 --> 2:01:55
because they're always looking at something,
2534
2:01:55 --> 2:01:57
you're always checking something,
2535
2:01:57 --> 2:01:[privacy contact redaction]s want to get from something,
2536
2:01:58 --> 2:01:59
you want to make the news.
2537
2:01:59 --> 2:02:01
You can't enjoy the moment.
2538
2:02:01 --> 2:02:02
You can enjoy the moment,
2539
2:02:04 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] to live with it.
2540
2:02:05 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] think it's important for us individually
2541
2:02:10 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] from it, go and do our things,
2542
2:02:13 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction]e, be with people,
2543
2:02:15 --> 2:02:19
or be by yourself in nature and take your walks
2544
2:02:19 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] the phone home.
2545
2:02:21 --> 2:02:23
Don't take it with you.
2546
2:02:23 --> 2:02:25
But then you can find so-called friends
2547
2:02:25 --> 2:02:27
who are saying to you,
2548
2:02:27 --> 2:02:29
why didn't you answer my text?
2549
2:02:29 --> 2:02:30
Well, because I left my phone.
2550
2:02:30 --> 2:02:31
I've left my phone.
2551
2:02:31 --> 2:02:33
Steven, let me tell you something.
2552
2:02:33 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction]en, when I first became an intern or medical, whatever,
2553
2:02:37 --> 2:02:40
I think it was, pick me an intern, we got beepers, okay?
2554
2:02:40 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] thing,
2555
2:02:41 --> 2:02:45
to get a beeper, because you were important.
2556
2:02:45 --> 2:02:47
Somebody would call you and you'd have to answer
2557
2:02:47 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction]or, young doctor, boom.
2558
2:02:50 --> 2:02:51
There was a sign of importance.
2559
2:02:51 --> 2:02:54
Well, a week later, after you got beeped 5,000 times,
2560
2:02:54 --> 2:02:[privacy contact redaction] its glamour.
2561
2:02:56 --> 2:02:59
And then not long after that, the drug dealers had beepers
2562
2:02:59 --> 2:03:03
and everybody's got a beeper in their phone, as it were.
2563
2:03:03 --> 2:03:07
And so everybody's on call all the time.
2564
2:03:07 --> 2:03:08
For what?
2565
2:03:08 --> 2:03:11
We're on call all the time, really.
2566
2:03:11 --> 2:03:13
So they're hyper alert.
2567
2:03:13 --> 2:03:16
They're hyper alert or hyper vigilant, as they called.
2568
2:03:16 --> 2:03:18
Yeah, yeah.
2569
2:03:18 --> 2:03:19
That's a picture in person.
2570
2:03:19 --> 2:03:23
I had a young kid say to me, this young teenager say,
2571
2:03:23 --> 2:03:26
that the good thing about the texting is that,
2572
2:03:26 --> 2:03:27
if you're texting with a boy,
2573
2:03:27 --> 2:03:29
then you don't know when he's gonna answer,
2574
2:03:29 --> 2:03:30
what is he gonna say.
2575
2:03:30 --> 2:03:35
So you're on this kind of anticipatory tension
2576
2:03:35 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]ship,
2577
2:03:38 --> 2:03:41
where you're always looking forward to the next message.
2578
2:03:41 --> 2:03:44
It's a peculiar thing.
2579
2:03:45 --> 2:03:[privacy contact redaction]e call me.
2580
2:03:46 --> 2:03:48
But I'm not on Facebook.
2581
2:03:48 --> 2:03:49
I am not on Facebook.
2582
2:03:49 --> 2:03:52
I'm on Substack, if you call that a social media.
2583
2:03:52 --> 2:03:53
I'm not on Facebook.
2584
2:03:55 --> 2:03:57
I'm on a signal group, but that drives me crazy
2585
2:03:57 --> 2:04:00
because there are too many messages and too many things.
2586
2:04:00 --> 2:04:03
And so I know my limits.
2587
2:04:03 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction] to keep myself contained
2588
2:04:05 --> 2:04:07
and keep myself insulated from these things.
2589
2:04:08 --> 2:04:10
Yeah, exactly.
2590
2:04:10 --> 2:04:13
So I noticed in your bio, Emmanuel,
2591
2:04:13 --> 2:04:17
that you are an expert, I think it said,
2592
2:04:17 --> 2:04:20
on the psychology of music, classical music.
2593
2:04:20 --> 2:04:20
Is that right?
2594
2:04:20 --> 2:04:23
Mahler and Wagner.
2595
2:04:23 --> 2:04:25
Well, I've written a number of papers.
2596
2:04:27 --> 2:04:28
Who's an expert?
2597
2:04:29 --> 2:04:32
One of the things I did in my career was,
2598
2:04:32 --> 2:04:34
I was the psychiatric consultant
2599
2:04:34 --> 2:04:38
for a very famous conservatory of music in Philadelphia.
2600
2:04:38 --> 2:04:39
And I was sort of the,
2601
2:04:39 --> 2:04:42
I developed health education seminars,
2602
2:04:42 --> 2:04:44
injury prevention seminars.
2603
2:04:44 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]udents individually for psychotherapy.
2604
2:04:48 --> 2:04:50
I had meetings with teachers
2605
2:04:50 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]aff and all that.
2606
2:04:53 --> 2:04:55
And it was a wonderful, wonderful experience.
2607
2:04:55 --> 2:04:[privacy contact redaction]itution.
2608
2:04:58 --> 2:05:01
A lot of their graduates are very famous musicians
2609
2:05:01 --> 2:05:02
around the world.
2610
2:05:02 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction] in music.
2611
2:05:06 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]
2612
2:05:08 --> 2:05:11
was into the psychology of creativity.
2613
2:05:11 --> 2:05:13
So I wrote a number of papers on Mahler
2614
2:05:13 --> 2:05:16
and Rachmaninoff and Scriabin and whatnot.
2615
2:05:18 --> 2:05:20
So what can you tell us about Mahler then?
2616
2:05:22 --> 2:05:25
Oh, it's too long for a group like this.
2617
2:05:25 --> 2:05:27
Mahler was a fascinating individual.
2618
2:05:27 --> 2:05:29
He consulted with Freud and Leiden
2619
2:05:30 --> 2:05:33
at a very critical time of his life
2620
2:05:33 --> 2:05:37
when his wife, he discovered his wife was having an affair.
2621
2:05:37 --> 2:05:40
And after that consultation,
2622
2:05:40 --> 2:05:44
he kind of went from living in this miserable,
2623
2:05:44 --> 2:05:47
creative tension all the time to sort of accepting
2624
2:05:47 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]easures of life and his wife.
2625
2:05:51 --> 2:05:53
And then, but dying shortly thereafter
2626
2:05:53 --> 2:05:55
as if his creative demon had been extinguished
2627
2:05:55 --> 2:05:[privacy contact redaction]easure.
2628
2:05:58 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]icated, but.
2629
2:06:01 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]and.
2630
2:06:02 --> 2:06:03
Emmanuel, could I ask you,
2631
2:06:03 --> 2:06:05
so I know everyone on this group
2632
2:06:05 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]ed in classical music, but I am anyway.
2633
2:06:08 --> 2:06:12
So I don't know whether you know the book,
2634
2:06:12 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] of Happiness,
2635
2:06:13 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction] of Happiness by Bertrand Russell.
2636
2:06:16 --> 2:06:17
Oh, I've heard of it.
2637
2:06:17 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]n't read it though.
2638
2:06:18 --> 2:06:19
Yeah, I've heard of it, yeah.
2639
2:06:19 --> 2:06:21
You should, well, I think you should read it,
2640
2:06:21 --> 2:06:23
but maybe you know it all already.
2641
2:06:23 --> 2:06:26
So what Bertrand Russell do is very, very logical,
2642
2:06:27 --> 2:06:31
but maybe it's the illogicality of human beings,
2643
2:06:31 --> 2:06:35
you know, the instincts which make human beings
2644
2:06:35 --> 2:06:36
good and powerful, you know,
2645
2:06:36 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]e we want to be friends with.
2646
2:06:39 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction], Conquest of Happiness,
2647
2:06:42 --> 2:06:47
Bertrand Russell goes through the causes of happiness
2648
2:06:47 --> 2:06:51
and the causes of unhappiness, sorry, first,
2649
2:06:51 --> 2:06:53
then the causes of happiness,
2650
2:06:53 --> 2:06:[privacy contact redaction]er called The Happy Man.
2651
2:06:57 --> 2:06:59
So, and it's very interesting to read.
2652
2:06:59 --> 2:07:01
Nobody knows about this book.
2653
2:07:01 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]ed books, Bertrand Russell,
2654
2:07:04 --> 2:07:08
so he's a victim in his own prolific writings.
2655
2:07:09 --> 2:07:12
And so this book I've known for about,
2656
2:07:12 --> 2:07:14
I can't remember how I came across it,
2657
2:07:14 --> 2:07:17
but I've known it since I was like 20.
2658
2:07:17 --> 2:07:21
And I've read it many times.
2659
2:07:21 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]er here and there
2660
2:07:24 --> 2:07:26
to remind me, to get me back on track.
2661
2:07:26 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction], everyone wants to be happy.
2662
2:07:29 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]ing observation.
2663
2:07:33 --> 2:07:35
He said, animals seem to be happy.
2664
2:07:36 --> 2:07:38
Why aren't humans happy?
2665
2:07:38 --> 2:07:40
So, but that's just one thing.
2666
2:07:40 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] wondered whether you as a psychoanalyst
2667
2:07:43 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction] insights
2668
2:07:46 --> 2:07:49
on how we can all become happy on this group
2669
2:07:49 --> 2:07:[privacy contact redaction]e watching the videos afterwards.
2670
2:07:54 --> 2:07:57
Well, I have two remarks to make.
2671
2:07:57 --> 2:08:00
One, I don't know if I want to conquer happiness.
2672
2:08:00 --> 2:08:02
I want to be happy, I guess.
2673
2:08:03 --> 2:08:05
I don't see happiness something to be conquered.
2674
2:08:05 --> 2:08:08
But is happiness necessary?
2675
2:08:08 --> 2:08:10
I think it's necessary to live,
2676
2:08:10 --> 2:08:14
necessary to do what you feel is right and good.
2677
2:08:14 --> 2:08:17
And if happiness comes from that,
2678
2:08:17 --> 2:08:19
then you're thrice blessed.
2679
2:08:19 --> 2:08:22
And if not, you continue to do what you need to do.
2680
2:08:24 --> 2:08:26
So I think from doing the right thing,
2681
2:08:28 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction] four years, I've really thought about this.
2682
2:08:30 --> 2:08:31
From doing the right thing,
2683
2:08:31 --> 2:08:36
there's a good chance that you'll create the conditions
2684
2:08:36 --> 2:08:38
which will cause you to be happy.
2685
2:08:38 --> 2:08:41
But that's not the reason why you do the good things,
2686
2:08:41 --> 2:08:42
in my opinion.
2687
2:08:42 --> 2:08:[privacy contact redaction]ic.
2688
2:08:43 --> 2:08:47
And then with doing the right thing,
2689
2:08:47 --> 2:08:50
then you, or vaguely the right thing,
2690
2:08:50 --> 2:08:55
in the sense of promoting human beings,
2691
2:08:55 --> 2:08:57
what makes them special,
2692
2:08:57 --> 2:09:00
and criticizing any anti-human agendas.
2693
2:09:00 --> 2:09:02
There are lots of them at the moment.
2694
2:09:02 --> 2:09:05
And so you don't...
2695
2:09:05 --> 2:09:06
So one of the things he says
2696
2:09:06 --> 2:09:09
is a great cause of unhappiness is envy.
2697
2:09:09 --> 2:09:10
I agree.
2698
2:09:10 --> 2:09:11
It really is.
2699
2:09:11 --> 2:09:13
It really eats me up.
2700
2:09:13 --> 2:09:14
Yeah, yeah.
2701
2:09:14 --> 2:09:15
Yeah, that's a waste of time, isn't it?
2702
2:09:15 --> 2:09:17
Envy, I mean, my gosh.
2703
2:09:17 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction] there's so much...
2704
2:09:19 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]en, a lot of people are living in misery
2705
2:09:21 --> 2:09:23
and in terrible conditions.
2706
2:09:23 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]and that.
2707
2:09:25 --> 2:09:27
And they're fighting for a daily life.
2708
2:09:27 --> 2:09:30
They're fighting to eat, fighting to make a living.
2709
2:09:30 --> 2:09:31
And these are terrible things.
2710
2:09:31 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]e are living in war right now,
2711
2:09:32 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]s in the world.
2712
2:09:34 --> 2:09:36
These are terrible things.
2713
2:09:37 --> 2:09:41
We who are fortunate enough not to be in those situations
2714
2:09:42 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]easures,
2715
2:09:45 --> 2:09:48
the treasures around us of the natural world
2716
2:09:48 --> 2:09:50
and of our fellow human beings.
2717
2:09:51 --> 2:09:56
And good works, good works, doing something good
2718
2:09:56 --> 2:09:[privacy contact redaction]s makes me feel good if I do something good.
2719
2:10:00 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]anning.
2720
2:10:03 --> 2:10:06
Everybody's planning for the next month
2721
2:10:06 --> 2:10:08
and the next week and the next day.
2722
2:10:08 --> 2:10:10
They can't enjoy the moment.
2723
2:10:10 --> 2:10:12
No, there really is something to this idea of this Zen idea
2724
2:10:12 --> 2:10:15
of really immersing oneself in the moment.
2725
2:10:15 --> 2:10:18
This gets back to my psychoanalytic work.
2726
2:10:18 --> 2:10:21
All I could do in that moment, quote unquote,
2727
2:10:21 --> 2:10:25
of that patient hour was to absorb and listen
2728
2:10:25 --> 2:10:26
and to be in a different zone
2729
2:10:26 --> 2:10:30
so I could really comprehend what was being communicated.
2730
2:10:30 --> 2:10:32
And that has been, I mean,
2731
2:10:32 --> 2:10:35
it's a wonderful experience to do that.
2732
2:10:35 --> 2:10:37
So I'll give you some advice.
2733
2:10:37 --> 2:10:39
I'm not in the advice business, by the way,
2734
2:10:39 --> 2:10:40
but I'm gonna give you some advice.
2735
2:10:40 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction] myself.
2736
2:10:42 --> 2:10:46
My advice is when you're with another person,
2737
2:10:46 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]etely and utterly
2738
2:10:49 --> 2:10:51
to absorbing that person.
2739
2:10:53 --> 2:10:54
How many times, I'm with people,
2740
2:10:54 --> 2:10:56
I can't even get a word out edgewise
2741
2:10:56 --> 2:10:[privacy contact redaction]ioning me, asking me, interrupting me.
2742
2:10:58 --> 2:11:02
It's like, geez, let me finish my sentence.
2743
2:11:02 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]e don't even let each other finish their sentences.
2744
2:11:05 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction] listen.
2745
2:11:10 --> 2:11:12
That's the joy of life, actually.
2746
2:11:13 --> 2:11:15
Yeah, so one of the things I've noticed
2747
2:11:17 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]e that you really like to be,
2748
2:11:21 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]e that I really like to be with
2749
2:11:24 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]ed in you when they're talking to you.
2750
2:11:27 --> 2:11:32
So you feel as if you're the only person in the world
2751
2:11:32 --> 2:11:34
when they are talking to you.
2752
2:11:34 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]e are, I think it's a gift.
2753
2:11:37 --> 2:11:42
And yeah, I think you're right
2754
2:11:42 --> 2:11:46
that if you treasure every moment,
2755
2:11:46 --> 2:11:[privacy contact redaction]e are so dissatisfied with themselves
2756
2:11:49 --> 2:11:52
and with their lives, they think everybody's got,
2757
2:11:52 --> 2:11:53
and particularly with social media,
2758
2:11:53 --> 2:11:55
they think everybody's got a better life than they have.
2759
2:11:55 --> 2:11:57
It's not true.
2760
2:11:57 --> 2:11:59
If you think you can be a human being
2761
2:11:59 --> 2:12:00
and go through the whole of your life
2762
2:12:00 --> 2:12:03
without any problems at all, it doesn't happen.
2763
2:12:03 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]op feeling sorry for themselves
2764
2:12:06 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction] fight to get through
2765
2:12:07 --> 2:12:09
to the other side of all the problems.
2766
2:12:09 --> 2:12:11
Yeah, that's a good point.
2767
2:12:11 --> 2:12:13
Stephen, I had a conversation with my son last night
2768
2:12:13 --> 2:12:15
and he talked about, we talked about this issue
2769
2:12:15 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]imhood.
2770
2:12:16 --> 2:12:19
And when I grew up,
2771
2:12:19 --> 2:12:22
I had no idea that I was disadvantaged in any way.
2772
2:12:24 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]e said,
2773
2:12:25 --> 2:12:28
oh, but your father didn't do this or wasn't this,
2774
2:12:28 --> 2:12:32
or your parent was like, I just did my thing.
2775
2:12:32 --> 2:12:35
I had no idea that I had all these handicaps in my life.
2776
2:12:35 --> 2:12:38
I mean, really, they weren't handicaps.
2777
2:12:38 --> 2:12:40
We make our own handicaps.
2778
2:12:40 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction],
2779
2:12:42 --> 2:12:44
and we're always measuring
2780
2:12:44 --> 2:12:46
and comparing ourselves with everything.
2781
2:12:46 --> 2:12:48
Yeah, so it's really self-destructive.
2782
2:12:48 --> 2:12:50
It's just nonsense, I think.
2783
2:12:50 --> 2:12:51
So that's very important.
2784
2:12:51 --> 2:12:52
I think a lot of that goes on.
2785
2:12:52 --> 2:12:56
So they're kind of looking at the social media,
2786
2:12:56 --> 2:12:[privacy contact redaction]s thinking,
2787
2:12:57 --> 2:12:58
well, first of all,
2788
2:12:58 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction] conditions,
2789
2:13:02 --> 2:13:04
and everybody's at their best,
2790
2:13:04 --> 2:13:06
and it doesn't get onto the social media
2791
2:13:06 --> 2:13:10
unless it's approved by the person who's taken it.
2792
2:13:10 --> 2:13:13
So obviously you're looking at this unreal world,
2793
2:13:13 --> 2:13:15
and it's very easy, especially for young people,
2794
2:13:15 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]ion with themselves,
2795
2:13:19 --> 2:13:23
which itself, in itself is anti-human
2796
2:13:23 --> 2:13:26
because they don't make the best of themselves
2797
2:13:26 --> 2:13:29
because they give up before they've even started life.
2798
2:13:29 --> 2:13:31
They're not happy with themselves.
2799
2:13:31 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]art criticizing themselves.
2800
2:13:33 --> 2:13:36
And then the whole propaganda is,
2801
2:13:36 --> 2:13:38
oh, you're not a good father,
2802
2:13:38 --> 2:13:40
you're not a good mother or whatever, you know.
2803
2:13:40 --> 2:13:43
And so everybody, and people take that to heart,
2804
2:13:43 --> 2:13:44
and they get disheartened.
2805
2:13:44 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]e need hope, and they need encouragement,
2806
2:13:47 --> 2:13:49
and that needs to be emphasized.
2807
2:13:49 --> 2:13:51
So I think we need to do,
2808
2:13:51 --> 2:13:56
you need to create a curriculum for school children
2809
2:13:56 --> 2:13:[privacy contact redaction]
2810
2:13:59 --> 2:14:01
Steven, they don't need hope, they need hemp.
2811
2:14:04 --> 2:14:05
No, I said hope.
2812
2:14:05 --> 2:14:06
I know.
2813
2:14:06 --> 2:14:07
Charles.
2814
2:14:07 --> 2:14:08
Oh yeah, I know you're joking, yeah.
2815
2:14:10 --> 2:14:13
I was gaslighting you, Charles, for joking.
2816
2:14:14 --> 2:14:15
Too smart for me.
2817
2:14:16 --> 2:14:18
No, no, no.
2818
2:14:18 --> 2:14:20
It's just luck, if I get it right.
2819
2:14:22 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction], what was I gonna say?
2820
2:14:25 --> 2:14:26
Oh yeah.
2821
2:14:26 --> 2:14:29
A course, a course for many to do a course.
2822
2:14:29 --> 2:14:32
Emmanuel, I'm asking you all these broad questions.
2823
2:14:32 --> 2:14:34
I couldn't answer them myself, but I wanna ask you,
2824
2:14:34 --> 2:14:36
can you tell us what you know about cults?
2825
2:14:37 --> 2:14:40
And was, you know Lord of the Flies, William Golding,
2826
2:14:40 --> 2:14:41
was that a cult?
2827
2:14:41 --> 2:14:45
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's kind of a cult, yeah, of course.
2828
2:14:45 --> 2:14:46
I think cults are really groups.
2829
2:14:46 --> 2:14:49
Groups, it's part of group psychology.
2830
2:14:49 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction] written about group psychology,
2831
2:14:51 --> 2:14:54
including Freud and many others.
2832
2:14:54 --> 2:14:[privacy contact redaction] more of a more intense specialized version
2833
2:15:00 --> 2:15:02
of a particular group.
2834
2:15:02 --> 2:15:05
But we had a Covidian cult here in New Zealand.
2835
2:15:05 --> 2:15:06
It was a big one.
2836
2:15:07 --> 2:15:09
Really, okay?
2837
2:15:09 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] different religious cults.
2838
2:15:10 --> 2:15:13
I know I've treated one or two people who've been in cults
2839
2:15:13 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] gotten out of them.
2840
2:15:14 --> 2:15:19
And you know, they are for various reasons
2841
2:15:20 --> 2:15:22
in positions of relative weakness,
2842
2:15:22 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]rength and identity
2843
2:15:25 --> 2:15:28
and purpose and meaning.
2844
2:15:28 --> 2:15:31
And that becomes the impetus to be part of that
2845
2:15:31 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]ion as a member of a cult.
2846
2:15:38 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction] the cult decides.
2847
2:15:40 --> 2:15:41
I mean, one of the things in New Zealand,
2848
2:15:41 --> 2:15:43
one of the things in New Zealand was,
2849
2:15:43 --> 2:15:47
this is an important thing, was we were all in it together.
2850
2:15:47 --> 2:15:48
This is the message we got.
2851
2:15:48 --> 2:15:52
We're all in it together by staying apart, by the way.
2852
2:15:52 --> 2:15:53
We're all in it together by being locked away
2853
2:15:53 --> 2:15:[privacy contact redaction]aying apart.
2854
2:15:55 --> 2:15:58
It was a ridiculous, absurd, ironic message,
2855
2:15:58 --> 2:16:03
but it was bought, it was bought by these people
2856
2:16:03 --> 2:16:05
in this kind of cult.
2857
2:16:05 --> 2:16:06
So they had meaning.
2858
2:16:06 --> 2:16:08
We are helping each other.
2859
2:16:08 --> 2:16:10
We're helping each other by imposing these restrictions
2860
2:16:10 --> 2:16:13
on our liberties and not seeing each other
2861
2:16:13 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction]uff.
2862
2:16:15 --> 2:16:17
Sure.
2863
2:16:17 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction]ion of cults,
2864
2:16:19 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction] a predilection for cults.
2865
2:16:24 --> 2:16:[privacy contact redaction]ually,
2866
2:16:27 --> 2:16:29
if they're a member of the cult, guess what?
2867
2:16:29 --> 2:16:31
They don't have to take responsibility.
2868
2:16:31 --> 2:16:34
And that's perfect for most human beings
2869
2:16:34 --> 2:16:36
because they don't like taking responsibility
2870
2:16:36 --> 2:16:41
because they find it a bit scary
2871
2:16:41 --> 2:16:44
or they are lazy or whatever.
2872
2:16:44 --> 2:16:45
They don't want to take responsibility.
2873
2:16:45 --> 2:16:49
And I'm talking about like 95% of people.
2874
2:16:50 --> 2:16:54
Even when their own family needs help,
2875
2:16:54 --> 2:16:57
they don't take the responsibility that they should.
2876
2:16:57 --> 2:16:58
They don't really think about
2877
2:16:58 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]ion should be.
2878
2:17:01 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] to-
2879
2:17:02 --> 2:17:03
You know what?
2880
2:17:03 --> 2:17:06
Again, let me go back to Plato in the ancient Greeks.
2881
2:17:06 --> 2:17:07
Now, the ancient Greeks weren't perfect.
2882
2:17:07 --> 2:17:10
They were warmongering, crazy people in their own way.
2883
2:17:10 --> 2:17:15
But the idea of philosophy was to examine life
2884
2:17:16 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] that you could live fully.
2885
2:17:19 --> 2:17:23
And that meant taking full responsibility about things.
2886
2:17:23 --> 2:17:25
And in re-reading Plato, one gets the sense,
2887
2:17:25 --> 2:17:30
these were very, I think people were actually smarter then.
2888
2:17:30 --> 2:17:31
I hate to say it.
2889
2:17:31 --> 2:17:34
I think they were very, very smart
2890
2:17:34 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] of their low technology.
2891
2:17:37 --> 2:17:38
We think technology means we're smart.
2892
2:17:38 --> 2:17:39
It doesn't.
2893
2:17:39 --> 2:17:40
It doesn't, no.
2894
2:17:40 --> 2:17:43
But they're examining their life
2895
2:17:43 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction] that wasn't self-indulgent,
2896
2:17:46 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]s living fully.
2897
2:17:49 --> 2:17:51
And it's a very beautiful thing when you think of it.
2898
2:17:51 --> 2:17:[privacy contact redaction]e are not taught about autonomy in schools.
2899
2:17:55 --> 2:17:58
Schools are exercise and submission.
2900
2:17:58 --> 2:18:00
Do this, do that, don't do this, don't do that.
2901
2:18:01 --> 2:18:04
I'll give you one example that completely shocked me.
2902
2:18:04 --> 2:18:08
I asked a very lovely young teenage girl here
2903
2:18:08 --> 2:18:11
as a friend of a, daughter of a friend of mine, musician,
2904
2:18:11 --> 2:18:14
what she was reading in her, in school,
2905
2:18:14 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction] year of school.
2906
2:18:17 --> 2:18:20
She said, oh, well, we don't really read novels,
2907
2:18:20 --> 2:18:21
whole books like that.
2908
2:18:21 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction] read excerpts.
2909
2:18:23 --> 2:18:24
Wow.
2910
2:18:24 --> 2:18:25
And I said, are you kidding me?
2911
2:18:25 --> 2:18:28
This is a private girl's school in Wellington.
2912
2:18:28 --> 2:18:30
I said, you gotta be kidding me.
2913
2:18:30 --> 2:18:32
She's not kidding me.
2914
2:18:32 --> 2:18:35
Okay, the educational stuff, the educational system
2915
2:18:35 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction]e down.
2916
2:18:39 --> 2:18:41
And at a time when they would be hungry
2917
2:18:41 --> 2:18:45
for reading books or adventures of discovery
2918
2:18:45 --> 2:18:48
and self-discovery, they're reading excerpts
2919
2:18:48 --> 2:18:50
of this here and there, it was appalling.
2920
2:18:50 --> 2:18:[privacy contact redaction], I gave her a few books and she's read them.
2921
2:18:53 --> 2:18:54
She's a social kid.
2922
2:18:54 --> 2:18:56
Three or four minutes left.
2923
2:18:56 --> 2:18:59
And on that point, Manny, I spoke to someone yesterday
2924
2:18:59 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]ralia's top secondary schools.
2925
2:19:03 --> 2:19:06
And that issue is happening, Stephen, in Australia,
2926
2:19:06 --> 2:19:10
where these top schools are pressured by government.
2927
2:19:10 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] alumni,
2928
2:19:13 --> 2:19:16
old boys, old girls who are in government
2929
2:19:16 --> 2:19:20
pushing the narrative, the parents are pissed off about it,
2930
2:19:20 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] the woke transgender,
2931
2:19:23 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] agenda at the schools
2932
2:19:28 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]racised and pressured by the school council
2933
2:19:32 --> 2:19:33
to shut up or get out.
2934
2:19:37 --> 2:19:38
Yeah.
2935
2:19:38 --> 2:19:43
So they don't want autonomous human beings, do they?
2936
2:19:43 --> 2:19:47
Partly because the teacher doesn't even use the word
2937
2:19:47 --> 2:19:51
autonomous, but it's a very important word, actually,
2938
2:19:51 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction]ors,
2939
2:19:54 --> 2:19:[privacy contact redaction] four years,
2940
2:19:57 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]ead of all this evidence-based medicine
2941
2:20:00 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]ion for protocols and guidelines,
2942
2:20:07 --> 2:20:08
then we wouldn't have had a problem.
2943
2:20:08 --> 2:20:10
But no, we had protocols and guidelines
2944
2:20:10 --> 2:20:11
and evidence-based medicine,
2945
2:20:11 --> 2:20:14
and we didn't have autonomous doctors,
2946
2:20:14 --> 2:20:17
although I thought that we did.
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And I was very surprised when they turned out
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2:20:19 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]etely lacking in autonomy.
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2:20:23 --> 2:20:26
So what happened to informed consent
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2:20:26 --> 2:20:29
within the evidence-based medicine framework, Stephen?
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2:20:29 --> 2:20:32
Yeah, that seems to have been an exception.
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2:20:32 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]ing, isn't it?
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2:20:33 --> 2:20:35
Very, yeah.
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So there was no possibility, Emmanuel,
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2:20:37 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction], there was no possibility
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2:20:40 --> 2:20:43
that informed consent could be obtained
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by any human being in the world,
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2:20:45 --> 2:20:46
because guess what?
2959
2:20:46 --> 2:20:[privacy contact redaction]or in the world knew what was in the shots.
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2:20:50 --> 2:20:53
So he couldn't explain, he couldn't give the information
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2:20:53 --> 2:20:56
to the patients, his patients.
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2:20:56 --> 2:20:59
But of course, the doctors weren't even doing the,
2963
2:20:59 --> 2:21:01
well, some of them were actually,
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2:21:01 --> 2:21:03
weren't even doing the vaccinations,
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2:21:03 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]essers.
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2:21:05 --> 2:21:08
They took that, exactly, they took it away from doctors.
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2:21:08 --> 2:21:10
But you couldn't, you can inform people by saying,
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2:21:10 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]en, this is something new,
2969
2:21:13 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]ed adequately,
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2:21:15 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction] of years,
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2:21:16 --> 2:21:18
which would normally take any medicine
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2:21:18 --> 2:21:20
or intervention to be developed.
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2:21:20 --> 2:21:22
We don't know what may happen.
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2:21:22 --> 2:21:25
I mean, honestly, but again,
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2:21:27 --> 2:21:29
I'm so sick of talking about the jab.
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2:21:29 --> 2:21:32
The jab was never necessary.
2977
2:21:32 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]er.
2978
2:21:35 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]e,
2979
2:21:38 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction] out
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2:21:41 --> 2:21:45
of this horrific fear that had been induced
2981
2:21:45 --> 2:21:[privacy contact redaction]e.
2982
2:21:48 --> 2:21:49
All right, Stephen, we're gonna go,
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2:21:49 --> 2:21:52
that's wonderful, two and a half hours.
2984
2:21:52 --> 2:21:55
Again, Stephen, I criticise our guest
2985
2:21:55 --> 2:21:56
for not having to go to the toilet.
2986
2:21:56 --> 2:21:59
Manny, it shows you are not drinking enough water
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2:21:59 --> 2:22:02
unless you've got a special tube hidden somewhere.
2988
2:22:02 --> 2:22:05
No, you've got good fluid balance, Charles.
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2:22:05 --> 2:22:07
That's right, that's right.
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2:22:07 --> 2:22:09
All right, Stephen, Manny,
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2:22:09 --> 2:22:12
thank you so much for sharing your truth.
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2:22:12 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction] that you write what you feel like writing.
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2:22:15 --> 2:22:18
That's the future, each one of us sees life differently.
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2:22:18 --> 2:22:21
That's the essence of love.
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2:22:21 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction]ing quote
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from a wonderful book, everybody.
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I don't know if you've seen it,
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2:22:27 --> 2:22:29
The Tools of Titans by Tim Ferriss.
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2:22:29 --> 2:22:33
I'm a big fan of Tim Ferriss, totally alternative thinking.
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2:22:33 --> 2:22:38
Tools of Titans has got about 250 true Titans,
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2:22:40 --> 2:22:42
tools of Titans.
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2:22:42 --> 2:22:45
And there's a wonderful, for example, on Whitney Cummings.
3003
2:22:45 --> 2:22:48
I don't know if you've ever heard of Whitney Cummings,
3004
2:22:48 --> 2:22:49
American comedian.
3005
2:22:51 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction]acular in their lives,
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2:22:55 --> 2:22:56
what they've achieved, I've never heard of them,
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2:22:56 --> 2:22:[privacy contact redaction]e there are.
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2:23:00 --> 2:23:02
And there was this beautiful quote
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that I wanna share with you before we go.
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2:23:04 --> 2:23:07
And Manny, it ties into your whole theme
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2:23:08 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]ive, of the loss of friends.
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2:23:14 --> 2:23:17
And Whitney Cummings, look her up,
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2:23:17 --> 2:23:19
I think if you can find it about Whitney,
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2:23:19 --> 2:23:22
she's well known, where's her website?
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2:23:22 --> 2:23:25
Her website is WhitneyCummings.com,
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2:23:25 --> 2:23:29
W-H-I-T-N-E-Y-C-U-W-M-I-N-G-S.
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2:23:29 --> 2:23:31
And here's her definition of love.
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2:23:34 --> 2:23:39
My definition of love is being willing to die for someone
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2:23:40 --> 2:23:43
who you yourself want to kill.
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2:23:43 --> 2:23:45
That in my experience is kind of the deal.
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2:23:45 --> 2:23:49
My definition of love is being willing to die
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2:23:49 --> 2:23:53
for someone who you yourself want to kill.
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2:23:53 --> 2:23:55
So there you are, there's a thought provoking thought
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2:23:55 --> 2:23:55
for all of us.
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2:23:55 --> 2:23:[privacy contact redaction]e who agree with us.
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2:23:58 --> 2:24:02
The challenge is loving those who disagree with us.
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2:24:02 --> 2:24:04
So there's the thought, everybody please.
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2:24:04 --> 2:24:06
Oh, can I just say one last thing about Emmanuel?
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2:24:06 --> 2:24:10
So I think one of the things that Manuel,
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2:24:11 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]ually, but I keep forgetting it.
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And Emmanuel brought it up.
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2:24:16 --> 2:24:18
When you're talking to people one to one,
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give them your full attention and give them time.
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2:24:22 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]ed, because I've tried to be,
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2:24:26 --> 2:24:30
I've been trying to do that in the last three or four months.
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And it's amazing what kind of connection you make.
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2:24:33 --> 2:24:[privacy contact redaction]e on the phone,
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2:24:35 --> 2:24:37
if you give them your full attention,
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2:24:37 --> 2:24:39
if you give them your full attention,
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2:24:41 --> 2:24:43
and time, because a lot of people feel rushed
3041
2:24:43 --> 2:24:46
in conversations and the reason they interrupt is one,
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2:24:46 --> 2:24:47
because they think they're gonna forget
3043
2:24:47 --> 2:24:49
what they want to say.
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2:24:49 --> 2:24:51
And two, they don't feel they have time.
3045
2:24:52 --> 2:24:54
And we need to make time.
3046
2:24:56 --> 2:24:58
You've given me a great deal of time here.
3047
2:24:58 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] to say, I feel quite privileged
3048
2:25:00 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] been part of this and to absorb this wonderful energy
3049
2:25:05 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]ions from everybody.
3050
2:25:08 --> 2:25:10
It's inspiring.
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2:25:10 --> 2:25:11
And as you say, Charles,
3052
2:25:11 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]e doing wonderful things
3053
2:25:13 --> 2:25:15
we don't know about all around the world.
3054
2:25:15 --> 2:25:17
And we should keep that in mind.
3055
2:25:17 --> 2:25:20
And I was given a glimpse of some of these wonders today.
3056
2:25:22 --> 2:25:23
Well said, thank you, Manny.
3057
2:25:23 --> 2:25:24
Thank you, Stephen.
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2:25:24 --> 2:25:25
Thank you, everybody.
3059
2:25:25 --> 2:25:28
Have a wonderful, wonderful Tuesday night, Wednesday.
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2:25:28 --> 2:25:30
And we'll be back with you on Sunday, Monday.
3061
2:25:30 --> 2:25:32
Bye.
3062
2:25:32 --> 2:25:34
Bye, thanks, Manny.
3063
2:25:34 --> 2:25:34
Bye, Charles, thank you.
3064
2:25:35 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] for Manny, for those of you.
3065
2:25:36 --> 2:25:38
Thank you, Emmanuel.
3066
2:25:38 --> 2:25:39
Thank you.
3067
2:25:39 --> 2:25:40
Very good.
3068
2:25:40 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction]
3069
2:25:43 --> 2:25:[privacy contact redaction] a good opinion of your colleagues, Emmanuel?
3070
2:25:48 --> 2:25:50
It all depends which ones.
3071
2:25:50 --> 2:25:52
No, I mean, the psychiatrist, because...
3072
2:25:52 --> 2:25:54
Yeah, it depends which.
3073
2:25:54 --> 2:25:57
There's a lot of, yeah, that's a long topic, Stephen.
3074
2:25:57 --> 2:25:59
I don't wanna get into that so much.
3075
2:25:59 --> 2:25:59
Yeah.
3076
2:26:01 --> 2:26:02
All right, off we go.
3077
2:26:02 --> 2:26:03
One of the things I've noticed,
3078
2:26:03 --> 2:26:04
one of the things I've noticed, Manny,
3079
2:26:05 --> 2:26:07
sorry, Charles, we're just having a little chat
3080
2:26:07 --> 2:26:08
so you cut us off.
3081
2:26:09 --> 2:26:11
One of the things I've noticed is that, you know,
3082
2:26:11 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction]ors, psychiatrists, but the weird thing is,
3083
2:26:14 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction]s.
3084
2:26:18 --> 2:26:21
And when I'm looking for a psychiatrist for my patients,
3085
2:26:21 --> 2:26:24
it's very difficult to find one I trust.
3086
2:26:24 --> 2:26:27
And so I end up referring the patient
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2:26:27 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction], who I found very, very helpful
3088
2:26:30 --> 2:26:32
when I was working for the military,
3089
2:26:32 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction],
3090
2:26:35 --> 2:26:[privacy contact redaction]
3091
2:26:38 --> 2:26:41
All right, we're stopping this recording and we're going.
3092
2:26:41 --> 2:26:45
You guys, you keep talking.
3093
2:26:45 --> 2:26:46
Have a conversation.
3094
2:26:46 --> 2:26:47
Okay, bye everybody.
